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NYC: Bloomberg Ahead By 18%I could not find any polls this morning except for this new on for the mayoral race in new York City from Quinnipiac University. MAYOR – NEW YORK CITY (Quinnipiac) This poll was done October 23-25 among 1088 likely voters.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/Conservatives-Maintain-Edge-Top-Ideological-Group.aspx?CSTS=addthis
This is sadly a sign of Republican weakness here.
Conservatives make up 40% of the voting bloc.
Moderates another 36%
Liberals just around 20%…
yet We cant capture a third of the moderate vote
to push us over the top?
We have a 20 pt advantage on the leftists and we still end up shooting ourselves in the foot with our national party. Look at NY-23
Yankees WON!!!!!!!
#3
It due to a lack of leadership. Name one candidate that can unite all factions? I can’t.
Chek,
Good. I have another reason to hate you
“yet We cant capture a third of the moderate vote
to push us over the top?”
No we would rather stay in the wilderness but keep our 40% pure as the driven snow.
The Phillies are my NL team and the Yankees are my AL team. I am torn between the two.
#6
LOL!!!!
I just want sexy A-Rod to get his World Series win.
jason
It is not even a question of being pure. The candidates that the GOP is putting up are not attractive and cannot unite the various factions within the right.
Chek,
I just want my Phillies to get another World Series
#11
Name one sexy guy on the Phillies roster and I might reconsider. NOT! I am a Yankee fans but if they lose is not the end of the world. I mean they won so many….hehehehehehe
No we would rather stay in the wilderness but keep our 40% pure as the driven snow.
Unfortunately, I would wager that many of the self identified conservatives in that poll are socially conservative AA’s and other minorities that vote Dem.
#13
Hmmmm…. doubt it. I never heard a Dem voting AA refer to him/herself as conservative. In the AA community “conservative” is a bad word.
“The candidates that the GOP is putting up are not attractive and cannot unite the various factions within the right.”
Well I am not sure such candidates really exist as you yourself made the point.
I would settle for supporting candidates that can WIN first and foremost, and leave the litmus tests and purity tests for later.
“…many of the self identified conservatives in that poll are socially conservative AA’s and other minorities that vote Dem.”
I think some but not many. And hey, therein lies an opportunity!
The GOP is NOT going to win minorities any time soon. But we can get back the investor class, the people making more than 200K and white women. Low income people WILL ALWAYS vote for the Dems because they offer “free” goodies.
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“…. Low income people WILL ALWAYS vote for the Dems because they offer “free” goodies.”
Exactly. And it’s in their interest these people stay receiving free goodies and voting Democratic, the Democrats have no interest in making these people stakeholders in society.
#18
If the party that stand for free markets, fights redistributionist tax policies cannot win the investor class and people making more than $200K, they are finished. You all can ZZZZZZ all you want.
Jason
The GOP needs to win the people who are currently footing the bills.
NY-23 update
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/dccc-attacks-conservative-partys-hoffman-in-new-ad.php
The Democrat is starting to attack Hoffman in ads. Does this tell us anything about their internal polling or are they just burning money?
Could the GOP be finally getting the message?
Tom Coburn tells GOP to hold the pork
For years, Tom Coburn’s lectures on spending have been met with aggressive resistance by fellow Republicans who defend their right to send money back to their home states. But at a closed-door meeting of GOP senators this month, a tirade by the Oklahoman about the hypocrisy of using deficits to decry Democratic health care plans while voting for pumped-up appropriations bills was seconded by several senators. If there was dissent in the room, no one voiced it.
#22
It means the Dems are trying to split the vote.
Owens has pretty much watched Dede get destroyed by internal politics, now all he has to do is drive up some of Hoffman’s negatives and he is home free. I think it’s a smart strategy. First let your enemies destroy themselves and then walk out there and shoot the one that’s still alive in the head…mercy killing.
Coburn has always gotten the point on pork.
If the DCCC is attacking Hoffman, that says a lot about Hoffman’s MO.
jason
What hurt the GOP is their hypocrisy. Yes, I know, the war in Iraq was an electoral disaster for the GOP. But they really angered large sections of their base with increasing federal programs while talking about fiscal responsibility. Voters will punish hypocrisy.
Darrell,
That they would run an ad attacking Hoffman can only mean one thing: that he can win the race. If you wanted HOffman just to split the vote, you wouldn’t attack him.
Why else did Christie and the RGA start attacking Daggett? Because he was taking away votes.
25…well…they don’t seem to have a very effective ad if that is their goal. Hoffman is rich…oh the scandal of it!! Who ever heard of a politician that had a million dollars!!
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Apparently theres an absurd Suffolk poll out somewhere, I hope Dave doesn’t waste a thread on this garbage.
http://www.politickernj.com/wallye/34486/poll-includes-all-12-gubernatorial-candidates-has-daggett-7
32. POST IT DAVE !!!!!
47/52, -12
That they would run an ad attacking Hoffman can only mean one thing: that he can win the race.
Actually, I think jason’s analysis on #25 is on target.
Brandon
I am afraid that all the negative ads have hurt Christie. Daggett will make a Corzine win possible.
Jason,
In order for the GOP to become relevant again, they need to stop nominating and supporting ALL RINOs.
DEDE is a perfect example.
they need to stop nominating and supporting ALL RINOs
Define a RINO. What are the absolutes?
#37
Actually John McHugh could be called a RINO. He had a 67% rating by the AFL-CIO.
#38
Good luck getting an answer.
Darrell,
As long as Hoffman finished ahead of DeDe that’s will be ok with me. Send a message that the GOP is the party of social and economic conservatism – even in NY. After all, how many NY GOP’ers who are pro-aborts are actually fiscally conservative? None
Eph, how relevant are you going to be with 1/3 of the Senate and 1/3 of Congress.
How do you define a RINO?
Well….not sure, but supporting card-check legislation and also winning a Margaret Sanger award (as a certain nominee in NY 23 has) would be a good start.
43. The Frum crowd thinks the Sanger award is a badge of honor.
I don’t why Eph dropped the lemming handle. Fit so well….
TimV,
Please stay away from my uterus!
45/ LOL! It’s on my other PC
38…its a good question that everyone here will have a different answer to. I responded last week, and I don’t recall anyone else tossing in their ideas. I for one am perhaps slower to user the term than others, but when I feel it fits, I use it without hesitation. The standard for me is guided by the three legs to the conservative stool. If someone wants to be an R, and they at least are a fiscal conservative, foreign policy conservative, or a social conservative, then with the caveats I spelled out last week, I would tend not use the RINO label.
Darrell,
Dont take the bait…again
Fox News Ratings Up 8% Since Squabble With White House Began
Posted by Michael Avitablile
Published: October 26, 2009 – 9:30 AM I’m not sure if anyone needs more proof that Fox News is relishing the tongue lashing that the White House is dishing out, but the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the number of average views for the channel is way up since the squabble began. Is this more proof that the Administration’s attacks are backfiring?
From the L.A. Times:
This year, Fox News has averaged nearly 1.2 million viewers across all its programming, a 16% increase over the same period last year, according to Nielsen. In the two weeks since aides to President Obama took after the coverage, the audience has been 8% larger than the previous two weeks.
49…its OK, they have not put up their own answers to the question. But you are a lemming, even though you are the one who will not vote for a donkey just because it has been branded with an R.
RINOs are those who don’t pass the stringent litmus test to qualify as legitimate conservatives. We don’t need them. Let’s just have a party of single issue voters like Eph with no power but busily “making statements” and “sending messages” to RINOs.
“they have not put up their own answers to the question”
…and I dont put up my own either.
If no one can define a RINO then let’s define and agree on what makes an ideal republican
1. Commitment to the original wording of the Constitution
2. Commitment to fiscal sanity (at this point it is not lower taxes, but defunding non-essentials then balancing the budget)
3. Commitment to a workers right NOT to join a union (Yes HB card check is a non-starter)
4. Commitment to 1st and 2nd amendment rights
5. Commitment to minimal regulation and open markets
That is a start for me.
54…no argument from me.
I don’t think DeDe is a RINO either…..I think she’s a HARPIE (Hates All Republican Party Ideology Enormously).
…and I dont put up my own either.
There you go eph. Let’s not define the RINO, but let’s positively define the ideal GOP.
knova,
What about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?
54. yeah, tell that to the folks over at New Minority!
#54 that works.
The problem though then is you get one Republican who agrees with that, but might disagree on a social issue. Immigrant rights, abortion, gay marraige. Quite frankly, the social crap is irrelevant compared to the exploding national debt, expanding government powers and regulation, etc. However, there are still those that will scream RINO if you fail to see eye to eye with the SoCons. Rudy wouldnt have the support of evangelicals, for example. Then you have that ex-gov of Utah, great conservative but his stance on gay rights probably irks many on the right. Shame too because if anyone could probably beat President Obama both on ideas AND on his charisma it wouldve been him.
57…what do you think of my suggestion that a candidate should have at least ONE defining position in the realm of fiscal views, social views or foreign policy that aligns with historic conservative GOP values to avoid the RINO label. It seems to me to be a pretty low bar that allows in a lot of people. Its another way of saying that if the candidate has nothing that points in the direction of the ideal GOP you speak of, then the person is a RINO…a donkey branded with an R.
“It seems to me to be a pretty low bar that allows in a lot of people.”
That’s why the GOP keeps losing.
What about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?
While those words are not in the Constitution, the Constitution was written in order that we my have those.
63. Tell that to Snowe and Collins
62- then what specifics would you suggest? I think that this is going to be a good and thought provoking discussion.
64 – how so? Which of them are they specifically against and what would be an example of that?
knova,
What specifics would you suggest?
btw…all this talk of Rinos…
You guys realize there is a huge difference between party and ideology, right? We conservatives and libertarians are a relatively new bunch, with modern conservative and libertarian thought erupting in the 1960s. The Republican party was revamped by the Goldwater-Reagan branch in the name of conservativism, but don’t think for a second the party in general is conservative.
If we are strictly focused on winning over on a conservative agenda, we may need to utilize third party candidates too. To be dependent upon a political party with at best a strained relationship with conservatives is ridiculus…however a coalition of Conservative Party-conservative Independent-Libertarian Party- conservative Republican candidates would probably do the trick.
62…I am simply trying to establish a baseline. I would have to go over the longer explanation I had from last week.
knova,
I think the ideal Republican was Rick Santorum.
Did you ever hear his speeches form the Senate floor?
<i.What specifics would you suggest?
I am not you so I will not speak for you. I have laid out my absolutes above.
70 – In your opinion, why was he the ideal republican?
After all, how many NY GOP’ers who are pro-aborts are actually fiscally conservative? None
Well, John McHugh who held the seat previously was pro-life and fiscally moderate, pro-union. As a matter of fact, all the Dems had to do is find a few pro-life candidates like Shuler in the South and they won back control of the House. I think the GOP needs to target people by income.
“….but don’t think for a second the party in general is conservative.”
ummmmmmm….not so sure about that….other than a couple of Senators in Maine (who even when they tick us all off, are still to the right of old time liberal wing GOPers like Jake Javits and Nelson Rockefeller) and a few other outliers, the GOP is indeed a conservative party….that doesn’t mean we don’t have room for folks like Guiliani and Mitt Romney, but, face it, those folks are conservative with a capital C (aside from gay rights and abortion).
There is as clear a dichotomy in terms of ideology as you can get between the GOP and the Dems….one is liberal and one is conservative, and despite the ‘08 election (the perfect storm of anti-incumbent anger that overwhelmed the Right), this is still a country that is basically more conservative than liberal and we should feel very comfortable with that.
but don’t think for a second the party in general is conservative.
Now we have to define what exactly is conservative
Any suggestions?
Did you ever hear his speeches form the Senate floor?
You mean his gyno lectures? Yeah, that worked out really well for him. You know, it is not even about abortion. It is about having men pontificate and lecture women about this issue that is a turn off to many women. Including pro-life women.
knova,
Rick Santorum was the best. Period. No other elected official embodied Life, Liberty, and the persuit of Happiness more than him.
76. chek. I knew you would take the bait babe!
77 – What specifically made him great. I don’t listen to any politicians floor speeches so I am depending on you, and at this point you alone, to tell me.
knova,
See post 76,
eph, i am ignoring Chek’s comments on the Santorum issue, as it is your opinion that I am interested in. Chek has told us where she stands with regard to how she feels the GOP can win again.
75…how about going back to the constitution to answer that question. If you want to uphold the constitution and stick to it, interpreting it literally, you are conservative. If you want to turn the constitution into a living document so you can change it from its original meaning, then you are not conservative, but liberal.
– What specifically made him great.~~~sunburst
Lifetime ACU rating==88%
85 – We can agree on that.
83 – What were the issues and weighting of those issues that led to that rating?
#74
Republican =/= conservative.
Yes, conservatives have flocked into the GOP since the 1970s and 1980s, but much of the leadership are party strategists FIRST, ideology SECOND.
That is what I meant.
Frankly I’m a libertarian, but good luck with my own party so I have to go after the lesser of the two evils, which generally are the conservatives- smaller government, less restrictions on markets, etc.
The libertarians that flock to the Democrats are the ones Im most puzzled about- besides abortion and gay marriage you have nothing to side with them on- and even then, you’d be too broke from taxation to afford aborting your baby before your lesbian wedding anyway. One step at a time…
knova,
Santorum was like Reagan. He was a great policy advocate – fiscal, international, and social. And a great speaker. His Senate floor speeches were some of the best ever.
Lifetime ACU rating==88%
Interesting. I thought Santorum would have a higher rating.
Politics? Who cares? Phillies in 6.
Obamacare at 45/51 this morning
87 – That is a start. What were his main policy stances with regard to each of the issues you stated:
fiscal
International
social
#86
Lots of libertarian flocked to the Dems because of the GWOT, the PATRIOT Act. Also, the GOP gave lip service to restraining the growth of the federal government and fiscal responsibility. Until Obama came on the scence, Bush grew the federal government at a higher pace than Clinton.
Santorum was like Reagan.
Not even close. Reagan has an affable, winning personality. Santorum was more confrontational. He is Italian after all.
Obama: 52/47 in Michigan
“Lots of libertarians”?
You mean, both of them?
#94
Michigan: A lost cause. Let them rot in their economic disaster. Anyway, I am off to my REPUBLICAN women meeting.
93..insulting Italians?! Are you trying to chase them out of the GOP? I thought you were trying to grow the tent.
“Politics? Who cares? Phillies in 6.”
You’re smoking whacky weed.
Mr. Bitterlaw,
It is armageddon for us Mets fans….Phillies/Yankees…..i’m left to pray for a gigantic asteroid that comes crashing into the earth (ground zero somewhere around Trenton) taking out both NY and Philly.
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2009/10/cfg_poll_hoffman_leading_in_ny.php
Hoffman 31.3%
Owens 27%
Dede 19.7%
100 – That is looking good (for a poll that may have some bias towards Hoffman) What about the 23% undecided?
To be fair, the CFG is funding the Hoffman campaign, but its a good strategy idea to put this out there, so as to influence the undecided voters, and the voters who want to vote for either ScozzaTheHutt or Hoffman, depending on who is leading in polls.
TB,
I’d love to believe that poll, but that’s a larger than normal MOE and a huge chunk of undecideds. The main point to draw from it is that Hoffman is indeed competitive and can win.
“but its a good strategy idea to put this out there,”
The MSM have been doing it for years. Good for CFG
TB,
Question is…will RINO Wissing thread that poll? hhhmmm
New WashPost poll out today for VA Govenor’s Race. It’s over.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2009/10/new_post_poll_coming_soon.html?wprss=virginiapolitics
83 – What were the issues and weighting of those issues that led to that rating?
Comment by knova
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David, naw, it isn’t over. Deeds is closing fast. Dems will sweep all the way down the ballot.
107 – I could probably agree with most of it. What were the votes that kept Santorum from getting 100%?
Phil:
you must know something I don’t know.
It seems to me to be a pretty low bar that allows in a lot of people.”
That’s why the GOP keeps losing.”
Brilliant. Too many people supporting the party = keep losing.
Obviously let’s have more litmus tests and more narrow agendas so we can have less people supporting us and fewer votes and thus win more seats.
111. Lemming vid?
EPH,
Sadly, Santorum lost by 18 in 06 to a piece of cardboard.
Not a great example.
Phil,
108 was a joke?
107 – I could probably agree with most of it. What were the votes that kept Santorum from getting 100%?
Comment by knova —
for 2006
113. MD,
It is if you want to get rid of “?” for the day!