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Final Post Of NightIt has been a good and fun night. Sure it would have been nice for Hoffman to win the New York 23rd race (still no official winner yet) and there is still a race in California. Too bad Obama didn’t stump for Owens like he did for Deeds and Corzine and…oh… the Chicago Olympics…. I am going to bed…stay up as long as you want…. California election results here.
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My allies gained 2 seats on my school board tonight. Swweeeetttt!
Folks,
(late post from below)
Good evening again. Great, great night for conservatives and Republicans. A clean sweep in Virginia and major gains in the Virginia House of Delegates, a win in the New Jersey governor’s race and potential pickups in the New Jersey State Legislature. A Republican has been elected mayor of Stamford, CT for the first time since 1991 (Atlanta and Houston next?). DO NOT sweat NY23, even with a loss. We’ll clean up that mess with a primary next time. Remember that NY23 was the result of an intramural scrimmage and nothing more. The BIG results came in Virginia and New Jersey.
Now it’s on to awaiting the results of CA10 (link anyone?) What happened in the gay deal in Maine
3rd
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20091103/NEWS09/911039947
NY is not over.
MikeKS, as much as I want to believe that, I think it is practically impossible for Hoffman to pull this off. Thank the RNCC. Still a great night for the GOP.
Gay Marriage being overturned in Maine.
Christie = Moderate
McDonnel = Moderate
Hoffman = Teabagger
This should be a lesson to my fellow Republicans.
I wish Palin would set her robocall machine to wake me up every morning and just before bed each night.
McDonnell is not a moderate. That’s absolutely freaking laughable.
Yeah McDonnell was really painted as a ‘moderate’ in VA right? Not.
Moderate is not an insult. I am a moderate.
Corzine = Flaming Liberal
Deed = Liberal
What’s the lesson there?
He may or may not be a moderate, but he ran as a moderate and that is why he won by overwhelming majority tonight.
#7 – What’s the tally on that one?
Anyone know a site with all the results nationwide?
http://www.bangordailynews.com/electionresults.html
Here are the Maine results
He did not run as a moderate. That’s just insane. And Christie ran as a conservative, so that’s silly anyway.
And yeah, NY-23 is over now:
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20091103/NEWS09/911039947
If you mean he didn’t press social issues unnecessarily when there were far bigger immediate issues to focus on, in that respect I think that’s accurate.
#15: I haven’t checked this cycle, but USA Today generally has all nationwide results.
NY-23 sucks:
1. Dede is the worst GOP candidate ever, and her endorsement killed Hoffman.
2. Hoffman was really not a good candidate. Not because he was conservative but because he just wasn’t a good candidate.
3. The GOP Committepeople up there are idiots.
RIP Obamacare
Just,
What happened with the PA Supreme Court?
Fox just called it for Owens.
Mikeks,
Nice to see you again. I agree 100% with all 3 of your points.
900k we gave to DeDe Jeffords.
I believe the NY GOP sabotaged Hoffman.
Let these Country Clubbers pay higher taxes as the last Conservative leaves the state.
So Maine went for gay marriage, higher taxes, more school spending, more highway spending on borrowed money, and medical pot. Par for the course in Maine I suppose, guess they want to give NJ a run for thier money years from now.
Well at least there is one in there I don’t have a real issue with.
22. The gOP won in Penn
#23 – Sounds like a fair call to me.
Knighthawk — Maine is voting to REJECT gay marriage. A yes vote is to overturn the gay marriage law.
What about the mayoral election in Charlotte and other places? Nothing about it on CNN or FOx.
OMG, here we go again with country clubs, elites… totally tedious.
Too bad the GOP screwed up NY 23. Otherwise, it would have been total victory night.
Fox called it. It’s over.
Wouldn’t it be a trip if CA-10 fell to us with NY-23 falling to the Dems tonight? Don’t see it happening though.
Andrew Sullivan is gonna be pissed. HAHAHAHAHAHA
#7 MikeKS
Good to see you again. Where have you been? (Link for the Maine gay thing please.)
We lost Charlotte.
http://www.bangordailynews.com/electionresults.html
Top line.
I’m busy running a Congressional campaign here in Kansas-03:
http://www.patricialightner.com
I still think it’s a bit early, but I can’t really disagree with calling it for Owens now. Hoffman needed to close a bit more in some GOP friendly pcts and he hasn’t.
-Polaris
Look folks, a Hoffman loss is irritating and that’s all. In the big picture, it doesn’t mean anything. The internal Republican re-alignment will continue and the conservatives are on the ascendancy. (Eph, that means on the up swing)
So Maine went for gay marriage knighthawk
Negatory, the yea vote was to overturn the legislature. homo marriage being beatin as of now.
Biden is going to gloat tomorrow. Some much for Hannity making fun of Biden only attracting 250 people. We need to stop obsessing about crowds. Most voters WILL NEVER go to a rally.
Don’t worry Marv,
We will bring him up to speed in Hawaii.
“Knighthawk — Maine is voting to REJECT gay marriage. A yes vote is to overturn the gay marriage law.”
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Oh snap.. lol color me duly corrected!!! apologies.
I this I am going to have to agree with Chek. Count on the MSM trumpting how the Dems won a historically republican district extending Dem dominance in the face of a GOP in the middle of a civil war.
Utter nonsense, but that is what will be emphasized.
-Polaris
41. Right Fags losing in Maine with 75% in.
Are any of those other votes…like that (reversed – reminds me of all the CA ballot things)
Polaris,
Who cares anymore? We KNOW what the blue dogs really are thinking and that is way more important than the msm.
Polaris, let them talk about NY. they lost NJ
41. Right Fags losing in Maine with 75% in. Jason
That term got be banned from here some years back.Not that I disagree with the terminology
#45
That’s why I am pissed about it. Totally avoidable. Sessions and Steele couldn’t even secure Scozza’s endorsement or at least keep her from making an endorsement.
FYI – White girl (norwood) only got 43% in ATL… run off coming.
#48 Yes and no. Yes the Blue-Dogs probably are feeling the temperature underneath their seats visibly rise BUT public perception and how it is broadcast matters and it matters a great deal.
One thing the GOP needs to get a lot better at is doing SPIN especially in a hostile media environment.
-Polaris
Good night everybody. It was a great day today. You know it was when George Stephanopolous was commenting tonight that centrist Democrats were going to be even more leery of going along with Obamacare now. Nothing to complain about except the NRCC.
Polaris, the RNC blew Hoffman off and went to Jersey,
They wanted him to lose to protect the status quo.
I still think the BlueFrauds will be scared based on the NJ and VA results. Also, exit polls show that Obamacare is very unpopular.
#45 – They actually don’t seem to be doing that just yet. Maybe by morning.
HOffman is ready to concede.
I guess DeDe, not Sarah, is the kingmaker.
Margin growing a bit on the maine GM vote.
#51 What makes you think that they could. I am morally convinced that DeDe was always a democrat to begin with. That is I think the conservatives were actually right about her from the start and she would have either flipped parties or voted with the Dems anyway.
If so, then there is nothing that the RNC or Steele could have done to keep her from endorsing Owens once she dropped out.
-Polaris
I am sure that Christie will be on Imus tomorrow. I will try to get up early to hear him.
#59 – Yeah run with that meme. lol
Did douchebag in nyc really just spend 100million to win by a percent or two or am I reading the fox ticker wrong?
NRCC is severely incompetent. I go to school in DC and they came to our CR meeting to recruit volunteers for NY-23 in September. I volunteered to make calls, Monday was the first I heard from them. Granted back in September it was the RINO, but still the fact that it took them until two days before the election to get people to make calls, while kids on my campus have been making calls for Maine all year, shows they are a bunch of idiots and are a drag on the movement.
VA house is 60/100 rep
Again, McDonnel and Christie have shown the way to win. Address the issues people care about. Don’t get too ideological in your language. Moderate tone. All the talk about liberty vs. tyranny just doesn’t attract indie/moderate voters.
any ca-10 numbers in yet?
#65
I had the same experience last year. The NRCC is severely broken. Steele ain’t fixing it. We need Barbour back.
Folks, we won VA, NJ, Maine gay marriage thing, and the Stamford mayoral race. With quality wins like that, we can still make it into a BCS Bowl this year. (even with a NY23 loss)
Where is TimV? I am so surprised that so many regulars are not here tonight.
#65 — Just had to comment on something. Don’t donate to the GOP organizations like the NRCC or NRSC anymore. Donate to the conservative candidate.
Ok, I am back – what happened in NY 23???
Owens was declared the winner by the networks.
This is an ok night, but the Rs shot themselves. You can not pee away districts that you should be winning. Really downer.
Tina, we lost. Hoffman is conceding (or will shortly).
The $900k they gave to Mazzola could have been the difference.
Steele should be fired and the NY party heads should be hunged.
I am so pissed about NY 23. It will give the Dems something positive to talk about. Totally avoidable.
We take 2 steps forward and one step back. With the Obama RNC head, we will not go far.
MDefl,
We won the Supreme Court seat (and the Court) both Commonwealth Court Seats, 3 of 4 Superior Court Seats AND have a rock solid margin in Northampton County and held Lehigh County. Don Cunningham squeaked by re election with 51% but Rs hold the Board of Commissioners.
I was a big Steele supporter but he has screwed up too many races. Tedisco. Another one I can’t remember. Now NY 23. He is not getting the NRCC act together. Also, Pete Sessions is a disaster. I know him personally.
That loss is very disappointing. It will be spun as a disaster for the Rs this go around (Obumbler increases his margins in the house).
I had said that we needed to win 3 out of the 4 races.
Boy pollin was very awful this go around.
#69 – There is something we can agree on. lol
Congrat Jul. But be prepared for the Phillies to lose tomorrow night.
Steele is a Rino. He was on an the Washington Times radio broacast with Melanie Morgan talking about a moderate would only win in a mioderate district….
I found this link to CA10 results…
Dem leading easily with 29 in.
http://mattortega.com/2009/11/03/election-results/
I said from the beginning that nothing good would come from Steele. You can not pee away safe R house seats the way he is doing.
The Ds win because the Rs lose.
Sorry, but this is the way I see it.
Winning 2/4 major races is not sufficient.
I will eat a double cheesburger tomorrow (stomach permitting) for Christie.
I am glad he won by 5 – outside of the Margin of Fraud.
Chek,
If you pat yourself on the back any harder about VA and NJ, you will break your arm. You are also wrong. It was not the moderate tone or language that won the race for either Christie NOR McDonnell. In fact both were unabashed conservatives and bashed for it. They WON because they had a message that the voters wanted to hear and the voted AGAINST the Dems in power.
It’s that simple.
In NY-23, the RNC and NY-GOP fouled it up. However they did so by listening to people like you.
-Polaris
Steele is worse than a RINO. He is gutless. The NRCC needs major reform. He promised a lot and delivered little. The moment he called on Rush’s show and apologized, he was neutered. He should have avoided getting into a spat with Rush. But once he was in, he should have stuck to his guns. By apologizing, he came across as weak and nobody took him seriously after that.
Everyone,
GEEZ we got a clean sweep except for NY-23 (I don’t count CA-10 because it is gerrymandered to effectively prevent any reasonable shot for any GOP candidate to win).
-Polaris
#90
What the hell are you talking about? I NEVER supported Scozza. You must be confusing me with Jason. I said there was nothing Republican about her. McDonnell and Christie won because they focused on economics. They adopted a moderate tone. Screaming Marxist turns off the indie vote. It might work in SC but it ain’t going to work once you go north.
Look at the positive side of the NY 23 loss: If it gives hope to the Dems to continue on their merry Marxist ways, they will continue to piss off more Independents all the way to 2010. You don’t want the Dems to wake up and start moving to the center.
This election was not convincing imo. At best its a stalemate, at worst the Obumbler is in better shape winning/retaining 2 house seats.
I think Steele thought he could just go around. Appear on talk shows. Be funny. But you still need someone to fix the operational problems the NRCC has. He ain’t doing the job.
It could have been convincing had the NY 23 not happened. Obama’s people probably figured they could pick up that district. That’s why they appointed McHugh.
Tina,
NY-23 stings badly. Real badly.
An effective RNC Head, would have gone toe to toe with the NY Rs that chose Mazzola – and told them you need to have a primary.
Steele has bit of the Obama “it’s about me” virus.
Yup TB, its a big loss. I despite the R establishment – includoing Rino Steele. This election night is ruined.
Erickson tries to put a brave face but I’m not buying tonight:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/04/in-ny-23-conservatives-win/
Here is a link to CA10 results from CA Sec State office.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elect-results/cd10-results.htm
Don’t sweat NY23. 2010 will be a HUGE year for the GOP. NY23 will flip back (as will about 50 others).
Counting the whole shootin match tonight, the GOP did extremely well. Rove mentioned it. All these results, even those in farflung locales that we dont even know about, are being pored over by the “centrist” Dems tonight and the next few days.
As for Obamacare, it is wounded some more tonight. But Reid pelosi et al will keep pushing it. They have to. They just can’t pass it. The best I heard someone describe this is Henninger last week in the WSJ. He described it as Reid and Pelosi leading the Donner party into the Sierra Nevada, trudging through the snow. They are gettin stuck and will soon resort to cannibalism. They have no other options. They cant pass it. But they cant stop trying. The result is inevitable.
#99
Absolutely. Before sending the check do a little due diligence.
I listened to him this AM, and was not impressed. I do not know wht the Maryland folks here at this site saw in him. He is useless.
It is not wounded, the Obumbl;er will delcare victory tomorrow, and the un-msm will suck it up.
99- He couldn’t do that, (nys law I believe), but could have said we’re not supporting that POS candidate, pick another one or all you will get is ads run against owens.
I would not buy anything from Rino Red State.
Steele, like Obama, just proves that affirmative action DOES NOT work. Pete Sessions is as incompetent as Steele and lacks the charm that Steele has. We are screwed in 2010 as far as the House is concerned.
They could have withdrawn funs from Mazzola, and she would have dried up. I think I better quit for tonite, because I am really ticked at the R party for losing AGAIN>
There hasn’t been a dem elected in NY-23 since the civil war, that is a big deal. The GOP lost because it ran on hot air and fake support from outsiders. Think Dean and Iowa, lots of outside support, not so much local support. It clearly proves, that the extreams on either side will lose in most cases. It also proves that PPP really messed up its poll of the area.
funds.
See, when I am ticked, I can not type.
#78. the Dems will spin it as “first Dem. elected in 150 yrs.” in the district (the sad thing is they are factually correct).
What’s worse about what Chek is saying is that the MSM will completely play her narrative about Palin.
All the undecideds broke to Owens. That’s a tough pill to swallow.
#102
That is why I don’t read Red State anymore. NY 23 has been held by a Republican for the last 100 years. It is a loss. Just like Tedisco was a loss. No spin can take away the sting.
HOw is redstate a rino blog?
#106 – He can’t exactly he lost 2 governorships, by good margins too.
If he’s smart he’ll stick with changing the subject as usual.
Tommy – Yeah it stings, let’s take a lickings and come back and extract some revenge next fall, and in the mean time make sure fkups like this don’t happen again.
Sorry but a candidate cannot become too closely identified with talk show hosts and the tea party movement. The indie voters are wusses who are repelled by an angry tone. They want someone to tell them that he/she will fix their problems. That’s the mentality.
We’re phuqed. I left here thinking that Obumbler -Crap Care was finished, and now I am not sure.
A simple primary would have prevented this embarassment.
106. The Dems in the house who are elected from rural GOP districts know who butters their bread. And they see what happened to a swing state and a blue state. Not to mention Senators like my states very own Evan Bayh.
NY23 saw a C who doesnt even live in the District come within a whisker of winning.
The folks who study these things will see a very stark warning to any Blue Dog who is even thinking about voting for Obamacare. I dont think it will ever come to a vote. At least not in the Senate.
And these results gave those Dems the blueprint for saying no to Obama. The recession means we cant spend the money now. maybe later. The voters will kill a candidate who supports $1 trillion of new spending.
The Dems will be eating their own after the holidays.
Red State touts the Republican establishment, which is Rinoish.
I say we take down Steele tomorrow and HANG the NY Party operatives that did this.
#111
Excellent points. Once it became a referendum on tea parties, Palin, Hannity, Rush, it energized the Dems. In VA and NJ, they couldn’t energize the Dem base and the indies broke for the GOP.
RedState got behind Mac. Enough said.
#111. actually, before the Civil War — district has been exclusively Republican straight through from beginning of the Republican Party. The last non-Republican to represent a part of the district was a Whig. (I wonder if the Obama people knew this ??)
So McCain isn’t moderate in tone?
#123
I think the local GOP head is gone. When I looked up the record of McHugh, I realize that he was pro-union and starting wondering whether Scozza was not as out of touch as portrayed.
Steele was so stupid, that he “accepted” what the NY23 Rs did. He should say that as the head, actions like this would not be tolerated in the future. This means we do not have a Civil War leading up to the Election, we deal with it during the Primary.
Chek is wrong b/c the Governors that won ran on conservative principles.
#127
You can’t trust McCain.
I get so annoyed listening to Steele and the Washington Times radio hosts were going after hin. He needs to resign.
What is most worrisome to me Tina was the fact that Obama polled at 52% in Virginia with those voters who went to the polls today. Just shocking. If that’s true, that means we’ve cut off 1% from his Virginia victory margin in twelve months.
Chek is wrong b/c the Governors that won ran on conservative principles.
I am not wrong. They told the people how they would address their concerns. Of course, their solutions involve applying conservative economic principles. Still the emphasis was on solutions to your problems and not some theoretical talk about liberty and the rest. Their tone was moderate and not Howard Beale. At the end of the swing voters want to know how you are going to improve their lives.
I credit the Owens win to JoeBidenMO….NOT
Several things:
1. Chek I never said that YOU supported DeDe. What I said and what I stand by was the very strategy that you (and Frum) have been pushing since last year is EXACTLY why the NY GOP nominated (without a primary) DeDe in the first place. Get it?
2. You (and some of the drive by trolls) are wrong. Christie and McDonnell ran as conservatives and proud conservatives. They did not shy away from talk radio or the rest. In short you are wrong about Indies and in fact Indies (even in NY-23) broke to the GOP.
3. Some of the rest of you need to buy some porta-spines. Yes, NY-23 is a loss. I won’t sugarcoat it. However, given that we’ve won EVERYWHERE else (that was winnable anyway), what more do you want? Egg in your beer? In hindsight Hoffman was a carpet bagger that was a bad politician. If anything, moderate Dems and Republicans will both take notice given how close Hoffman came anyway with no political skills and not backed by a major party (and I do think that national GOP sabotaged him in the end).
Some of you think that tonight was a huge loss when we in fact won by at least two touchdowns.
GEEZ. Get some porta-spines people.
-Polaris
We are heading for another defeat in 2010 and 2012, TB, if we destroy each other, and continue to walk down the cliff with Steele.
Both McDonnell and Christie stayed away from attacking Obama. No need to get his supporters to the polls. Especially, when they are demoralized.
In my opinion, all three races today were local issues, not a reflection on Obama. In NY-23, the teabaggers exposed themselves as nothing more then loud voices, but little political power. In NJ and VA, local voters were upset with the direction of their states. No bog surprise their. Like someone else mentioned, Obama remained above 50% in VA and NJ in exsit polls. This is even more alarming since alot of his supporters stayed home today. Today was about Local issues.
A Victory for Common Sense and Fiscal Sanity
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=166603523434
Congratulations to the new Governors-Elect of Virginia and New Jersey! I’d also like to offer a special word of support to the new Lieutenant Governor-Elect of New Jersey, Kim Guadagno, the first woman to hold that office.
Of course, the real victors in this election are the ordinary men and women who voted for positive change and a return to fiscal sanity. Your voices have been heard.
The race for New York’s 23rd District is not over, just postponed until 2010. The issues of this election have always centered on the economy – on the need for fiscal restraint, smaller government, and policies that encourage jobs. In 2010, these issues will be even more crucial to the electorate. I commend Doug Hoffman and all the other under-dog candidates who have the courage to put themselves out there and run against the odds.
To the tireless grassroots patriots who worked so hard in that race and to future citizen-candidates like Doug, please remember Reagan’s words of encouragement after his defeat in 1976:
“The cause goes on. Don’t get cynical because look at yourselves and what you were willing to do, and recognize that there are millions and millions of Americans out there that want what you want, that want it to be that way, that want it to be a shining city on a hill.”
The cause goes on.
- Sarah Palin
Chek – its true those 2 governors were on the conservative radio programs – Hannity, Levin, and did FNC. Tbey did not hide there conservatism. Given the poor economy, the focus was on the issues.
Flim Flam Frum – said that we would lose NJ – because the candidate was not “moderate” enough.
Chek,
You know that “big win” and “ming” are drive-by (likely Kos) trolls, right? You really should be careful with the company that you keep.
-Polaris
#133 Well the “practical solutions” are based entire on your individual liberty. Your prosperity is directly related to the amount of freedom you have. No it doesnt always need to be a theortical dicussion of liberty but it need to be the underlying principle of your political philosophoy – period.
Incorrect, the governor races were a reflection on Obama. He devoted a lot of resources to NJ. And each time he went there, Corzine’s #s fell. The un-msm talking point will indicate that he was not an issue, but its his economy. Even Ras shows that the American public blame him equally with the poor economy as they do Bush (or fairly equally) In 2010 he owns this mess outright, just like he owns the messs in Afghanistan.
TB, Stephanopoulos was on saying Obama was at 49% approval in Virginia tonight.
When did Frum ever endorse not having a primary? Give it a rest. Your obesssion with Frum is more boring than my obsession with Palin. Also, Christie ran against Corzine’s record. Here is McDonnell’s pollster talking about their strategy:
set out early to establish Bob as different than Republicans have been in the past few elections – strong on issues that matter most to people.
Our goal back in last winter/spring was to tie on the top issue of jobs/economy, stay close on transportation and education, and win on tax/spending. Ultimately, Bob would end up the campaign with double digit advantages on four of those five issues, and would be tied on education. …
One of the most important ads we ran was relatively early in the campaign, and only ran in downstate markets (it was before we were advertising in the DC DMA). It was Bob to camera talking about his energy plan, which included green jobs. It defined Bob as a forward-looking leader, who is for all of the above – oil, coal, solar, wind – a blend of both traditional and alternative energy.
Solututions to the problems that matter to people. Of course, his solutions are conservative in nature. It is all about how you taylor you message.
Ras asked who do you blame for the poor economy:
Bush – 45 percent
Obumbler 40 percent.
ITs about even, and soon enough in 2010, its the Obumbler’s mess.
#138
SPIN, SPIN, and more Dem Spin.
The fact is that Obama practically lived in NJ this past month and put an incredible amount of his prestigue on the line for Corzine and Corzine gets blown out.
You can’t spin that away.
-Polaris
IMO, the Obumbler’s true approval is probably in the low 40s.
Frum, was disapponted in Christie – I do not know why…
Exit polls show that Obama’s policies are unpopular. I can’t imagine that any BlueFraud takes a look at the results tonight and feels better following Pelosi.
You guys make a mistake of equating favorability ratings with actual voting.
Obama might have gotten 52% in exit polls among today’s VA voters, but only because he was not on the ballot.
He would have lost in VA today if he were actually on the ballot. The prime driver these days is that most voters think everything is a mess, and things need to change. Incumbents always suffer when the voters think the country/state is on the wrong track.
Jay,
That actually makes me feel a lot better tonight. Because if he was at 52% in VA with that electorate, I would drift further and further to Mdelf’s position on 2012.
#145 You are delibately missing the point. Frum’s “strategy” and advice since last year was to nominate people like DeDe by gunpoint if necessary because the “wild and shrill” voices were destroying the GOP. Frum wanted to essentially divorce the GOP from the conservatives. The NY-GOP agreed which is why they did what they did.
They followed your (and Frum’s) playbook and it exploded on them.
Deal.
-Polaris
BTW, the results in CA proves my point that nearly all the people who lean Republican have left the state.
And its you that is obsessed with Palin. I never mention her, do not think she should even run for national office, said it so here.
Its Flim Flam Fraud, Scarfarce, the NY Rino 23 jihadis, and Steele that are ruining the party.
Steele needs to resign ASAP. He is a dissster.
Maybe we deport him and Frum to Flim Flam Island.
Since I’m on her payroll according to Chek, I’ll take credit for the just released facebook post
“Some of you think that tonight was a huge loss ”
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I sure don’t
As stated weeks ago I wanted:
VA +10
NJ by any margin
NY-23 a DeDe loss, (Hoffman win a nice bonus)
CA single digits
I’m not unhappy tonight, definitely disappointed about ny-23 because it seemed quite achievable a couple days ago. We’ll get it next year.
Anyway, I am likely done for tonight. We needed to win 3 out of the 4 races, and we failed. Bad news imo.
Polaris,
Frum strategy is to have the GOP focus on providing solutions and effective government. I don’t agree with some of his policy prescriptions but if you want to win elections you have to come across as the person who will solve people’s problems. That you address the issues they care about at the moment. Deeds made a play on social issues. It didn’t work. Why? Because people in VA are worried about the economy. I don’t what your beef is with Frum. Going around predicting that Obama will repeal elections and appoint himself dictator is going to make look looney and you will not win elections.
But I will definetly eat the double cheeseburger, provided I get some Zantax 1000. (It sucks getting old).
Steele and Sessions will make sure the GOP makes no gains in 2010.
Ok, I revise it was just an ok night. I give it 2.5/3 stars out of 5.
Cozine goes down, and next year so will Spectacle and Reid.
If the unemployment doesn’t go down, Obama is finished.
I would just like to say again that Deeds lost NOVA…. because its funny…
I was very skeptical on the C4 Grouth and party polls, on NY-23 and even commented on it. I thought it was too high a mountain for the Conservative candidate (with basically a few days/or week) to havee a shot at winning it.
PPP also errred, but polling was horrible imo.
#164 – It is funny. When I was looking at the counties earlier I kept thinking… ‘hmm clearly the deeds areas are not reporting yet’, nope they were reporting. lol
Good night gang.
Has any Club for Growth candidate ever won? They seem to be the kiss of death. Now I am worried about Toomey.
Chek,
Point in fact I think tonight will make it more (rather than less) likely that Obama may well repeal elections. Don’t laugh….Obama now knows he’s vunerable.
However, you are painting Hoffman like a right-wing, firebreathing radical and in fact he was not. He was a conservative republican. Period. He was a private citizen who wasn’t a particularly good politician.
My beef with you and Frum is your perscription to make the GOP more “Dem light” is the perscription that is also “recommended” by our “friends” at the Daily Kos. They (the Dems) know better than that. You appeal to a core base of the electorate and then peel off enough moderates to win.
The Dems know that. So should we (esp given that the GOP natural base is twice as big as the Dem’s natural base).
-Polaris
# 165:
Weren’t you also a pooh-pooh queen on the NJ race? (Along with a few others here.) The term “fool’s gold” comes to mind.
#165 – Sort of another point, he slapped that campaign together in about what 3 week, 4 weeks total tops? Ownes had an organization and support for what 12 weeks or more? Had to hurt from a ground game perspective, though one could argue doo-doo would of had similar issues, I mean that was the WH’s plan after all.
I reversed my opinion on NJ about a week or so ago, said so here, worried more about Corzine stealing it via the courts.
#163 That’s exactly what I’m afraid of. Obama is a person that has always wanted power (and has associated himself with some rather dark figures such as Odinga). He wants it for his own ideological reason (and does anyone still think I’m wrong when I call Obama an idealogue?)
If Obama now realizes he’s toast in 2012 if the unemployment numbers don’t improve, he may well act to insure that he doesn’t lose.
-Polaris
#169 – Well this one at least came closer then most, lol.
KH – the $900k would have helped, right>>
Folks,
This looks like it might good news from Toledo. Apparently, an Independent took down the Democrat machine candidate in the mayoral election.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2378054/posts
Actually, Christie ran as a conservative. However, he did not win because he provided solutions. In fact, much concern about Christie was that he did not provide specific solutions. Christie won because Jersey economic issues are screwed up and Corzine was blamed for that, as well as corruption. When the economy is bad, the party in charge usually suffers.
#172 Exactly and that is why I think the GOP (esp NY GOP) hung Hoffman to dry these last couple of days. For Hoffman to finish the deal, he NEEDED GOP help to organize his election-day ground game, and the GOP did bupkis for him.
-Polaris
And there is still a problem when 50 percent of the NJ voters want more guvment. – per FNC poll.
#170
Quit talking in sloganeering. I have never said the GOP needs to be Dem lite. I said the GOP needs to have at its core strong defense, limited government and individual freedom. I never said that Hoffman was fire breathing anything. Look the tea parties and talk show hosts are a mixed bag for the GOP. Hannity is still playing Rev. Wright’s famous quotes. Beck is unpredictable. Many in the tea parties have some nutty ideas. And Palin cuts both ways. Sorry, they cannot be center stage.
Palin has bad number in nY 23
To call McDonnell and Christie Flim Flam Fraud Rs is laughable. They are conservative, appeared on the conservative talk show hosts, and did not hide this or moderearte their beliefs.
Flim Flam Fraud wants the R party to become the Party of Dede, Mush, and McAmnesty.
45% of NJ voters voted for Corzine, so I don’t think 50% is that impressive.
#176 – 1/2 of that, and one extra (or delivered a week earlier) might have helped. Who knows really, I don’t want to play “what if” too much, just think if Hoffman is still interested, and come back in the primary next year he’s got a good shot a winning it and an even better shot at taking the seat – or some other valid R will.
Chek,
Appealing to the 40% of the country that is conservative is a winning strategy. You don’t seem to get it and neither does Frum. You both seem to be embarassed to be conservatives.
-Polaris
NY 23 was screwed up by the local GOP and the RNC. In any case, tea parties, talk show hosts are a mixed bag. They can help but they can also hurt. The undecided went for Owens in the last few days. That’s not good.
The chances of ignoring the conservative candidate – giving him the nod 3 days before theelection, and proving no support to him – this is whtat the STeele Wing of the Party luvs.
#185
So standing up for a strong defense, limited government and individual freedom means to be embarrassed about conservatism? I think you need a vacation.
I do want to know what went wrong in NY-23. It sounds like they expected Dede to hold on to more of her votes if they expected a 42-45% plurality victory.
Yeah, there are a lot of what-ifs. I am glad Christie woke up though, and fought back. He looked wobbly there.
The VA races were a massacre for the Ds.
I just do not buy the media spin that the Governor’s races were not referendum on the Obumbler.
Polaris:
Could you try to reason with my dog why she should not chase cats while you’re at it? She just does not seem to get it!
Christie turned it around with his Imus interview. Exposed that weasel of Corzine.
It is clear that the Rinos-NY23 and country clubbers got their wish. You can say that Hoffman was not a very good candidate (I agree), you can blame Palin (ok, but screwy imo), you can blame Rush and Levin (I bet Scarfarce and Flim Flam Fraud do so tomorrow), but the fault lies with the Rs-23 and Steele.
Polaris creates strawmen. If standing up for strong defense, limited government and indididual freedom makes me a Dem lite. So be it.
#188 Yes it does. You seem embarassed to be in the same party as Hannity, Rush, and the rest. You say you want govt sanity but you don’t seem to be willing to risk media disapproval to accomplish this goes double for Frum).
In short you run from or denigrate the most effective voices that try to get what you say you want.
Puh-leeze. The fact you are agreeing with the drive-by Kos trolls tells me all I need to know.
-Polaris
Chek, as much as you may not like it, EVERY election is about liberty and freedom. Practical solutions to issues in people’s live is directly related to amount of freedom they are allowed. The more complex a problem is, the more it cries out for MORE brainpower/decentralization. That’s true in HC, economics, education, etc. You name the issue, free markets and individual liberty works best in the real world.
It only does not appear to work best if your perspective on life is totally ceneter on equality of OUTCOME as an absolute good – in practical terms this means equality of crappy outcomes for the masses and a more benefical outcome for the politically connected.
What the left tries to sell each and everytime is central planning backed by the force of the state. Its the oldest and most regressive idea on the planet and its been proven a spectacular failure in every state (think USSR, etc) or area of life (think public education in this country) where its been tried.
I agree, politics is the art of persusion but basic conservative principle work in the real world and all are based on individual liberty.
Flim Flam Fraud needs to explain why he did not like Christie as a canidate. He said that he was not “moderate enough.”
The Rs have two choices – either advocate conservative principless or adopt the D lite platform.
Tina:
I don’t think the races were a referendum on Obama as much as it was a referendum on the policies he and Dems are advocating that are extremely leftward leaning. Obama’s 50% approval rating is not yet in the referendum category but I suspect he will get there soon if he does not change and move to the center.
“And there is still a problem when 50 percent of the NJ voters want more guvment.”
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Yeah no chit right.. uggghhh, watching focus groups from NJ makes me want to puke, even some of the Christi voters. Christi surely ran as a conservative, he’s not but nj conservatives sucked it up anyway and wheeled his arse over the finish line, Corzine provided the huge assist by being a complete and utter fkup as gov to depress his own turn out numbers in his own counties.
Ok,, I will be back tomorrow, calmer – Sorry if I am upset about NY-23, but heads need to role in the R party establishment.
Good nite.
I said the fault lies with GOP officials. However, everybody here HAS to realize that certain elements are polarizing. They cannot be front and center. Rush is polarizing. He was used in NY twice by the Dems and they picked up two GOP districts. Those are the facts.
TGNA – I agree, but he is the one that represents those policies. He is the one for higher taxes, bigger government. Its getting a lot harder to separate him from his policies.
#189 I’ll tell you exactly what went wrong in NY-23:
1. Hoffman was and is a weak candidate that wasn’t even from the district. As this came out, it had to hurt him.
2. Hoffman was running on fumes with a campaign that was really only days old (before then it was a shoestring operation like you’d expect from a third party) and that meant that he wasn’t able to establish a ground game. In this the GOP hung Hoffman out to dry.
3. I think that DeDe stabbed the GOP in the back and made it “acceptable” for her supporters to vote Owens with her blessings.
I hope DeDe is happy with her 30 pieces of silver.
-Polaris
The Rs have two choices – either advocate conservative principless or adopt the D lite platform.
There is a third choice. Shows how conservative principles IMPROVE people’s lives and how liberal policies DESTROY people lives.
“I just do not buy the media spin that the Governor’s races were not referendum on the Obumbler.”
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What was the final in VA… 19%?
How does that not say something?
I thought that Christie was sitting on a lead – basically playing a prevent. I called him out here – I called him fatzo and Cheesburger. I knew he was heading for defeat. I rallied him back….
Revere psychology, KH.
LOL.
Attack the policies and not the man. I like Rush but it is counterproductive to say that Obama does not care about the troops. We don’t know what’s in Obama’s mind. We can speculate but blanket statements like that are silly. Attack the policies. They don’t work. They have never worked and will never work.
Gay marriage got whacked in Maine.
Repeal Gay Marriage Law?:
Yes 265939 52.75%
No 238169 47.25%
http://www.bangordailynews.com/electionresults.html
#193 NY 23 was an entirely winnable race. Basically, the GOP should have gotten their crap together and picked ONE horse and rode that to victory.
The D did this and now will have a pretty reliable leftist/statist vote to continue to pimp their agenda not to mention an entirely avoidable PR debacle for the GOP.
I would caution all not to listen to anyone here or in the MSM calling on the GOP to “ditch the teabaggers” etc as thats pretty much code leftist/statist use to divide conservatives/constitutionalists…
LEts not buy into the line that the Obumbler was not the issue in those 2 governors races. I agree in some house races/other races, those issues are more localized.
But the Obumbler invested a lot of time, reasury, and he had one of his henchmen run the Corzine Campaign.
Its kind of like saying that the Obumbler has nothing to do with Acorn, even though he was their attorney; praised Acorn; accepted/tolerated voter fraud by them; and had the Acorn Head in the WH.
#208 Intoleratant racists all I assume….or lots of angry teabaggers there lol
#204 Wrong. That would be an excellent topic for a college seminar but it’s a lousy way to campaign (and neither McDonnell or Christie did so). You point out what’s wrong with the opposition (negative campaigning works….especially if you are a challenger in hard times) AND you appeal the the greatest mass of voters in the electorate to be the msot loyal to you. After you lock in this key segnment, you then expand to form a winning plurality.
Frum is much too much a theoretician and so are you Chek.
-Polaris
Thanks Marv, I can be a little happier tonite about that ban.
“I do want to know what went wrong in NY-23.”
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Really? Don’t you mean what didn’t go wrong? lol
If you mean today… well 7,000 voted for a person who wasn’t really in the race any more, don’t know what % of that was absentee cast though, I suspect the majority but still what llama.
Definetly a good evening.
#213 Tina
You’re welcome. Cheer up, we won all three seats in Virginia and in NEW JERSEY, of all places. Don’t underestimate those accomplishments.
And now for something completely different….
A new chance for the GOP to blow it…Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!
SUSA Kentucky Senate
Rep primary: Paul 35%; Grayson 32%
Grayson (R) 43%
Conway (D) 39%
Grayson (R) 48%
Mongiardo (D) 38%
Paul (R) 39%
Conway (D) 44%
Paul (R) 43%
Mongiardo (D) 43%
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=627e858a-1d3f-428b-9d91-459536e9c489
#206 lol Tina
I was partial to Doughboy
“I hope DeDe is happy with her 30 pieces of silver.”
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I personally hope she chokes on them.
#217 DrJay
At least we’ll have a primary in Kentucky.
#207 Chek, Rush is correct. Obama doesn’t care about the troops. If he did, he wouldn’t dither about Afghanistan (for example) which is about the worst thing you can do for troops in the field. A quick exampination of the man’s record (what little there is) shows a distinct anti-military bias (and to his day Obama can’t admit that McCain was right about the surge in Iraq).
Rush may be hard to take, but he’s often the crazy person that tells it like it is (at least from his perspective which is often very enlightening and often much closer to the facts than the MSM), and thus acts as a lightning rod.
Political parties NEED people like that and should not run away from them. They generate enthusiasm. You don’t see the Dems run away from George Soros or Rev Jackson do you? Same. Same.
You win by securing your base first.
-Polaris
SUSA Oregon Gay marriage:
Oregon law says marriage is between a man and a woman. Should that law stay in place? Or should the law be changed?
Stay In Place 53%
Be Changed 40%
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=87a13268-77b4-4cf2-806e-969137c5a81e
#207 Chek, honest answer judging from his actions to date is he doesnt. Basically, he sees the wars in Iraq and Afganistan as political annoyances that must be ended as they distract from his massive government expanision/statist policies. They will always be political losers for him so he wants to end those wars as soon as possible regardless of outcome. All you need to know on this is that he has banned the DOD from calling it a “global war on terrorism” – he is essentially surrendering and going back to the failed Clinton policy of treating Islamic terrorism as a police/legal issue.
As for the troops, he has to give lipservice of supporting them but he could careless about them as they arent a big D voting bloc and never will be. They are good only when they can be portrayed as “victims” in support of his political posturing.
This may sound harsh but its the truth – actions speak louder then words here…
Polaris
If you don’t show people how conservative principles improve their lives, you are not going to win. Talk about freedom, tyranny and the rest appeals to the base but not the majority of voters. People want to know “what’s in for me”.
CA-10 is 55-40 with half the precincts in.
#222
I agree with your assessment. Still, it is not smart to say to a national audience. Rush does it for shock because that’s how he gets audience. Politically, it is not smart. Again, attack the policies. Not the man.
We very much need to not blow KY, in fact we need to try and keep it out of serious play to save money.
#223 Conservatives make up 40% of the electorate. If you can’t get a winning plurality after appealing to conservatives then you don’t belong in politics.
You DO win by appealing to your base. Karl Rove prove it over and over again….and so did the Dems in 2006 and 2008 by stealing his playbook.
-Polaris
#225 Actually race after race tells me that attacking the man is the number one most effective tactic in politics.
-Polaris
#224 No suprise. Like I said a few days ago, CA-10 is gerrymandered in such a way that a GOP victory there is nearly impossible.
-Polaris
“actions speak louder then words here”
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Yup, when you can’t get inside the head their actions are all you point to … and they don’t to date suggest grave concern for those requesting immediate assistance.
They generate enthusiasm.
I am so tired of this. All day today the talk station was talking about the crowds Hoffman was getting and the fact that Biden only attracted 200 people. Who won tonight? Most people that vote WILL NEVER attend a rally. Win votes and worry less about crowd size. The tea party people are very passionate but their numbers are not big enough to win elections.
#224 – Darn wanted it to see it under 10 points.
196.Chek, as much as you may not like it, EVERY election is about liberty and freedom. Practical solutions to issues in people’s live is directly related to amount of freedom they are allowed. The more complex a problem is, the more it cries out for MORE brainpower/decentralization. That’s true in HC, economics, education, etc. You name the issue, free markets and individual liberty works best in the real world.
It only does not appear to work best if your perspective on life is totally ceneter on equality of OUTCOME as an absolute good – in practical terms this means equality of crappy outcomes for the masses and a more benefical outcome for the politically connected.
What the left tries to sell each and everytime is central planning backed by the force of the state. Its the oldest and most regressive idea on the planet and its been proven a spectacular failure in every state (think USSR, etc) or area of life (think public education in this country) where its been tried.
I agree, politics is the art of persusion but basic conservative principle work in the real world and all are based on individual liberty. So Liberty and Freedom ARE not irrelevant at all.
AND when the threats to your liberties are so large right now YOU must point that out in no uncertain terms too. I think people at a gut level understand that their properity and quality of life are directly tied to their personal freedom too.
Finally, its a sad day for humanity when Freedom and Liberty are “politcal losers”
#228
Then keep going out there and talk about Obama being the next Peron. The guy is affable. He is like Bill Clinton. The GOP beat Clinton in 1994 because they attacked his policies. The lost in 1996 and 1998 because they attacked him personally.
Here is PPP(D)’s commentary about tonight’s results and their final polls. They admit they screwed up NY23 and apologize for it.
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/weird-night-for-ppp.html
#233
Most people glaze over when you start a theoretical discussion. Sorry but that’s life.
Chek,
Derek Jeter is indispensable to the New York Yankees.
I can forgive PPP for NY-23. They gained a lot of respect in my book with the other two races.
Now that the election are over can we get a decision on Afghanistan Mr. President, or should we poll the different options one more time?
#236 Exactly and that’s what wrong with your approach and Frum’s. You can’t go out and educate the body politic about the pros and cons of fiscal conservatism. You have to energize them and generate enthusiasm and you bet your bottom dollar in politics enthusiasm counts.
It’s not just who attends rallys, but it’s also the volunteers that work that extra hour and put that extra effort in to contact a few more voters. It’s the voter that decides that this time he really wants to cast a ballot rather than go to a movie, etc.
In 2008 the Dems had the enthusiasm and the GOP didn’t. We all saw the result.
To get that enthusiasm, you need to secure your BASE first, but you and Frum seem ashamed of the GOP base.
-Polaris
Well at least PPP just comes out and says it, they get some credit for that.
#225 I agree to a point. Essentially if you point out, for example, that Obama’s economic solutions are similar are based on centralized planning and government control many will draw the inference that he’s a Marxist without you having to direct that label to him personally.
But the Rush Limbaugh’s out there do have a role and a purpose in framing these issues and getting the message out.
Looking at it another way, Rush would draw so much fire from the statist if he wasnt effective. Ditto attacking “the person” too. Bush was attacked unmercifully by the left. But they didnt do that until their was blood in the water so to speak that didnt happen until late 03 and early 04. They were all afraid to take him on directly in 02 – all attacks by inference. That’s politcs – basic principles applied to practical solutions combined with proper messaging for the electoral environment.
#234 The lost in 1996 and 1998 because they attacked him personally
Not at all. The GOP lost in 1996 and 1998 because the GOP overreached when Clinton was smart enough to meet them half-way. That reversed public perception against the GOP and for Clinton.
Obama is no Clinton. Clinton was the ultimate political chameleon who didn’t have really strong principle either way. The permitted him to morph from a liberal president (and on his way to failure) to a conservative leaning moderate Democrat (at least in appearence) after 1994 and it paid huge dividends for him.
Obama OTOH is an idealogue. BTW, Juan Peron was charming too.
-Polaris
I note that the Dems attacked GWB personally and unmercifully for years and eventually it paid off for the Dems big-time in both 2006 andf esp 2008 when they were able to link McCain to Bush after forcing GWB to have some of the worst approval ratings ever.
Personal attacks in politics work and work extremely well.
-Polaris
I say broadcasting to a national audience that Obama is planning to be the next Peron and saying that he doesn’t care about the troops is bad politics. You are never going to change my mind. What will undo Obama is the unemployment number. If he doesn’t create more jobs, he is done. The rest is fun to talk about but really doesn’t matter in the end.
Dr Jay,
I have to agree. PPP(D) gets a big upcheck this election not only for what they did right, but admitting forthrightly and honestly where they went wrong. I still want to see how they do in 2010 (which I expect to be another GOP tailwind year). If they perform at least as well, I’ll have to remove my (D) designation from them Jensen’s well known political beliefs notwithstanding.
-Polaris
Bush undid himself with Iraq dragging on a long time before changing strategy. The failure to find WMDs and he pissed off the base with immigration and the federal programs. The Dems attacked him in 2004 and he still go re-elected.
Based on what happened in NY 23, I don’t feel good about 2010. Steele and Sessions can’t get the job done. Sorry but that’s how I see it.
#236 You miss my point, its NOT a theoretical discussion but the root principle that underlies all practical solutions.
Do you have to address it every second of a campaign no. But on the flip side, I see no huge wave of people crying out for the government to micromanage all aspects of thier lives, economy, and society – and that the essentially leftist message.
See if you fall into the trap of agreeing that the government “can do good things for people” you are in losing battle with the lefts as thats their game. Promise security/equality, expand government, cede your freedom and give government more power.
Again, its a hugely sad day for the world when “reality” says that individual rights and freedoms dont matter. We may as well just form politbureau and be done with it as aruging over the degree of statist control and how to “pay for it” are essentially ceding control to centralized control by a technocratic elite.
#248 That is balony Chek. Take a look around. Indies are reverting back to the GOP and the momentum is clearly with the GOP. Yes the RNC and NY-GOP stepped on their weiners in NY-23, but to say that this isn’t a red letter day for the GOP is to be either willfully blind or in denial.
The last time two states when this big (with governor races) with the party out of power was in 1993 and 2005 and we both know what happened the year after that in both cases.
I am bullish on the GOP in 2010 and you should be as well.
-Polaris
#250
Steele and Sessions will find a way to screw it up. This year they lost the Tedisco district even though the GOP had a 70K registration advantage. And now they lost a seat that has been held since the Civil War.
What happens in 2010 will depend on where the economy and jobs are.
For a point of reference, in 1993 Whitman won by one point and in 1994……well, you know what happened. In 2009, Christie won by 5. In 2010, we’re in pretty good shape.
NY-23: Madison, Oneida and Oswega counties, where Hoffman held a 23 point lead in Siena polling as recently as Sunday, was a huge disappointment for the Conservative candidate. On election night, Hoffman only won these three districts 49%-45%.
Jefferson County, Scozzafava’s home county, went 49%-46% for Owens.
Something happened with Hoffman at the very last minute.
From the AP;
Steven Greenberg of the Siena College poll, which has most closely tracked the race, said voters probably didn’t pick Owens because they thought a Democrat could extract more federal largess from Washington, now in the hands of Democrats.
“I don’t think it even goes to that level for most voters,” Greenberg. “It’s about, `Who is going to fight for us?’”
#245 Well, the reality is that unemployment number is so piss poor because Obama has gone the government intervention route versus the empowerment of the individual route. That the bottomline reality. Now, the job of the conservative politician is to educate and persude voters about how personal freedom, a government that protects everyone individual rights, and limited government is benefical to them in thier daily lives.
Good lord, thats all Reagan did for years. And he did it with a smile on his face too.
However, in the situation like we are presently in where the threats to our individual liberties and long term prosperity are so great you need to get people fired up immediately as some of this agenda is so damaging and irreversable it cant be allowed to pass (ie HC).
Kaus says Rasmussen nailed NJ. Feather in Scott’s cap.
Good night folks, see you in the morning.
#254 Yeah, its called “overconfidence” – we all had it on here after DeDe dropped out….
Or it could be BoxHead Joe;s rally, eh?
G-nite!
#251 Can we also say that, uh maybe Newt had a really good point after all lol
the cubs win the world series!!!
the cubs win the world series!!!
the cubs win the world series!!!
er … i mean the republicans won in new jersey
even tolken could not make up a story where the cubs win
“pissed off the base with immigration”
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beyond pissed, he lost the base with this.
Hey lisab!
261 – Um nope.
#254 = Or bad polling.
CA-10 is now 53-42
#253 – Whitman generally ran a better campaign too, at least in my dated memory of it by comparison.
267 – Hey you trying to get me hopeful for single digits?
#259 – Hahahahaha lol
KH, YES!
Harmer has won among the counties done reporting… how’s that?
Here is a great article on how your personal liberty and freedom have a great deal to do with the quality of the Health Care you receive:
http://andrews.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/03/public_funding_is_government_control.thtml
Yes, liberty does really matter in the real world and not just in the abstract…..
And if a conservative or Republican politican can articulate this in terms people can understand then shame on him – its not that hard to explain or grasp….
It’s over in CA-10. With 95% of the pcts reporting, Garaamendi (D) leads Harmer (R) 53 to 43. IMHO there aren’t enough votes left out there to not call it for the Dem.
-Polaris
Ok with that I’m calling it a night.
hey knighthawk.
I think if you look at pollster performance, Survey USA was the most accurate this year.
Obama was only 48/51 in Virginia according to the Fox news exit poll. I feel a lot better now:
http://www.foxnews.com/inc/elections/virginia.html
White-evangelical Christians comprised 34% of the turnout, up from 28% in 2008!
Deeds actually outperformed Obama among Democrats, especially white Democrats. He performed nearly as well as Obama among African-Americans.
Good night for the GOP in the Governor’s races. Congratulations to them, on races well-run.
They should not have lost in NY 23. No way to gloss it over.
Runoff in Atlanta, as expected.
Dave:
Uh, actually, the President did hold a fundraiser for Owens. And, the Vice-President campaigned for him, as well.
Hey Gang:
Sure feels nice to be a Virginian this morning. The biggest surprise was McDonnel Liberal Fairfax County. All the long hours of volunteering has paid off. Now, in 2010, we will pick-up 3 -4 House seats in VA.
Still asleep. McDonnell carried Fairfax County last night.
SurveyUSA does it again in VA…they predicted a 18 pt win for McD.
281 – have to agree with David…it is a great day to be a Virginian. Also three Dem incumbent delegates from Fairfax County (NOVA) LOST!!
Were assembly and senate seats up in VA and NJ; and how did they fall is f they were?
I believe Reps picked up 7 seats in VA, and at least 1 in NJ.
KOS claims yesterday that the dems need to stay pure and far left and that the GOP must hug the middle?
I would love to take a physics class with that man.
Does any of that swing control of any chambers?
OK, I admit it now…Polaris is the king of all pollsters!
Knova:
How many VA house seats did we pick up?
#288, Reps already controlled the Va house before last night