Health Care Vote May Be Delayed
Shocking….
A House leader says Democrats haven’t yet lined up enough votes to pass their health care overhaul bill and may push the vote set for Saturday back one day or more.Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland says the vote that House Democrats had scheduled for Saturday could slip to Sunday or early next week.
So how many times is it now where either Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi claims they “have the votes” only to see the vote never actually happen. Why does the “mainstream media” keep falling for this?
How will the “O-men” handle this development at the press conference.
Give a “shout out” to Pelosi & Peed
First!
Why does the “mainstream media” keep falling for this?
Posted by admin at 11:30 am
heh
If this was Bush, we’d have the headlines of : “another devastating setback for the troubled Bush policy”…
LMAO!!! They are just all horrible, cannot wait for 2010 to get here! Republicans are going to clobber em’!
I bet their phone lines are melting. My sister and her husband and two voting age children are calling Yarmuth (D-Louisville KY) today. And she is a doctor.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/06/breaking-hoyer-admits-dems-dont-have-the-votes-for-pelosi-plan/
I have 2 doctor friends who are all for it.
I’m sure there are liberal doctors.
The vast majority of doctors are against it.
the AMA supports it.
Just wanted to give a shout out to all you Hedgehogs.
Oh yeah, and I’m real sorry about that shooting/military thingy down there near Mexico. The important thing to remember is that Islam is a peaceful religion. Its only those few who take an extreme stance or get ridiculed for there religious beliefs. We must be more tolerant.
I have 2 doctor friends who are AGAINST it.
I have 4 doctor friends who are all against it.
Hey, anybody can play this game.
Why should be tolerate the belief that Muslims are entitled to greater political rights than people of other religions. That is a fundamental belief in Islam. Why should we tolerate a religion that says women are inferior? Would we tolerate a religion that taught that blacks were inferior? I think not. So why tolerate Islam’s discriminatory beliefs?
…since i work all day (for now!) I don’t have much of a chance to listen to talk-radio.
To those of you who do, can I ask a question?
Is anyone out there (Rush, Beck; etc.) talking about an uprising against AARP (i.e. a mass burning of AARP cards or something along those lines) to protest the leadership’s stance on HCR?
…..and if not, why not?
Can we have a contest about who has how many doctor friends who are for or against Obamacare?
#9
The AMA represents 20% of all doctors and a lot of THEIR members aren’t happy about it.
The AMA was bought off.
Doctors hate this.
This constant postponing of the vote is making the Dems look completely incompetent.
9 out of 10 doctors….
THe AMA was bought off. As was AARP. Hopefully, during this process people will realize that AARP does not represent the interests of the seniors.
“This constant postponing of the vote is making the Dems look completely incompetent.”
Chekote
….indeed it does, but just like Ahab kept chasing that whale, Nance-Romance keeps chasing her obsession.
Can u imagine an American in which elections (like those in teh UK and Canada) are fought over which party can best address the following issues:
1. Dealing with the shortage of doctors, especially in rural areas
2. Finding the money to refurbish and rebuild hospitals and medical facilties.
3. Reducing wait times for non-life threatening procedures and surgeries.
AS for the unemployment number, it would only be fair and just that those who are newly unemplpyed voted for Obama.
19..sorry to correct you…but its the AALRP.
14….
Laura Ingraham is big on that the last couple of days.
Here comes the cannibalization. Those unemployment numbers following up with the beatdown the Dems took on Tuesday have put Obamacare in the crypt. First to be cannibalized? Pelosi’s speakership is on life support.
Any motion to re-commit (in essence killing Obamacare for the near future) coming down the road from the GOP in short order?
24… like Henninger at teh WSJ said… it is like REid and Pelosi leading the Donner Party. They can’t go forward. They can’t go back. As some point, they start eating their own just to survive.
MMMM MMMMM MMMM
I’m not a Doctor, but play one on HHR.
My hypocritic oath permits me to embrace this health care bill.
Yes, I’m in that 80% NOT in the AMA.
Thank you for your support.
In fairness, 100% of the doctors issued a white coat for the photo op on the White House lawn strongly support the bill.
But we just need to stay vigilent. Fight this thing off. Its like we are on defense, our backs to the goal line, and we have to prevent a touchdown to win the game, Nancy is the quarterback, Reid is the fullback, and Obama is the coach on the sideline. Its fourth and goal and we must stop them. The problem is, the DEMS get 363 more downs until election 2010. Each day is another play. We have to keep stopping them on each play until Nov 2010.
I have emailed my Blue Dog and reminded him his job is on the line…have you?
Hey, this is a good thing. No one will believe what Pelosi, Reid and Obama will say anymore. And that includes people on the far left too.
Piglosi is falling apart.
WHOHOO!!!!!
let’s Give another shout out!!!!
Hussein Obama after the latest incident of jihadism
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
MMMMM MMMMM MMMMM
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
MMMMM MMMMM MMMMM
What I’ve heard about the AMA is that only 18% of it’s members are even practicing physicians. In other words the AMA is an out-of-touch organization who doesn’t represent “working” doctors.
In addition, most of the Physician State Organizations DO oppose the WH’s HC measures, as they stand today — some even going so far as to form outside groups actively opposing HC. There was a rather large contingency of these doctors at the 9/12 DC rally — many more than the 150 MDs, who were handed their white coats, during a photo opt in the Rose Garden as a symbol of doctor support.
It continues to be all smoke and mirrors.
Nancy is the quarterback, Reid is the fullback, and Obama is the coach on the sideline. Its fourth and goal and we must stop them.
If that is the case then the Lions, Chiefs, Redskins, Titans, Rams have a chance to win if they are playing this week. That team couldn’t keep from losing in the bye week.
31…seems that way, but like I said in 29, they have 363 more days to do this. We have to stop each and every one of them.
We should be literally counting the days until election day 2010…like Cronkite counted the day of the Iran hostage crisis.
Day 363 of the Obamacare hostage crisis. Just 363 days to go before we go hunting for blue dogs.
the AMA supports it.
Comment by observer
The AMA is lucky if it represents 10% of the doctors in this country. They are the AARP of the medical profession.
like Cronkite counted the day of the Iran hostage crisis.
It was Ted Koppel.
38…you sure? could have sworn it was cronkite. Whats the difference, they are all the same anyway.
#39
Yup! That’s how Nightline started.
“Nancy is the quarterback, Reid is the fullback, and Obama is the coach on the sideline. Its fourth and goal and we must stop them.”
Reminds me of the Marx Brothers movie “Horse Feathers”…..quarterback calls the play:
“Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, this time I think we go up the middle!”
“41 – take some time and read through the posts and tell me it is not implied that they all are violent”
Knova, you can talk yourself blue in the face making excuses for this terrorist but there is no excuse. This was premeditated act of pure murder. Frankly your position is creepy and disgusting. Really disgusting.
40…I guess Cronkite did this too…in addition to Koppel.
“Beginning with January 16, 1980, Day 50 of the Iran hostage crisis, Cronkite added the length of the hostages’ captivity to the show’s closing to remind the audience of the unresolved situation, ending only on Day 444, January 20, 1981.[20][21]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Cronkite
jason, you are absolutely right. You are perfectly right to think me creepy. I am wrong and will admit it.
“.. before we go hunting for blue dogs.”
And red dogs and yellow dogs and pinko dogs.
yellow dog demokrats.
This war against health car is lost.
- Harry Reid
For now.
Would that it were so.
“The British mission in Afghanistan could end in failure, Gordon Brown will warn in a speech following the death of seven soldiers in six days. ”
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“The UN’s nuclear watchdog has asked Iran to explain evidence suggesting that Iranian scientists have experimented with an advanced nuclear warhead design, the Guardian has learned.”
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The unemployed rate jumped to 10.2 percent, the highest since April 1983, from 9.8 percent in September, the Labor Department said Friday. The economy shed a net total of 190,000 jobs, more than economists had expected.
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Gibbs just spun this as a positive development.
Knight,
Did he really say that? Further, read it again. It is pretty funny if you think about the exact words.
I have been saying that we will top ouit at 12 to 12.5%. Everyone thinks I am nuts.
What kind of moron schedules a vote on such a high profile bill without having the whip already counted up to more than enough votes? How incredibly sophomorific is Madame Pelosi. Its would seem that Waterloo is at hand for the Speaker. In Japan, she would probably resign in extreme embarassment and apologize profusely to the American people. I dont expect she will do anything of the sort, but this is still so bad its almost comical.
The AMA is family doctors and internists primarily, who b elieve they may get a good deal. However, although the AMA board supports it, its rank and file memebers oppose it. Like the AARP.
I am sure though that there are more than a few here that think we should simply wipe out the entire 1 billion of them as a precaution.
Comment by knova
Either name names and provide supporting evidence or man up and apologize for the smear.
GM,
She is deluded enough to think it would be a replay of Tax and Crap. Nancy probably believed that NY 23 meant that HCR was a go. Seriuosly, the withc is not only deranged but is out of touch.
And yes, I am a doctor
I told you Tim. I am wrong. I have always been wrong.
In Japan, she would probably resign in extreme embarassment and apologize profusely to the American people.
Comment by Gary Maxwell — November 6, 2009 @ 12:49 pm
Better to hand her a tanto and prepare her for seppuku, as that would be the honorable thing to do.
Read this one carefully. This is Robert Reich, who served as a Cabinet Secretary under Bill Clinton and was one of the more liberal members of that administration. I think he is signaling his party to not try to cross this high wire without a net, and start focusing on the only thing that matters at the moment. Will they listen or call him names? I am betting on the latter.
“Obama’s focus on health care rather than jobs, when the economy is still so fragile and unemployment moving toward double digits, could make it appear that the administration has its priorities confused. While affordable health care is critically important to Americans, making a living is more urgent. Yet the administration’s efforts to date on this more basic concern have been neither particularly visible nor coherent.”
Tim V,
Have you taken note of all the nasty civil wars here in the last 2 days and who did not (hint – me) get involved in all the name calling? Am I making progress or what?
At this rate, I will be a “sensitive” male like Alan Alda by this time next year.
60 you are doing good md, keep it up
MDefl,
Any word from Eph today?
60…I stayed out of this one too.
59…maybe Reich is keeping the door open for Hillary to Primary Obama if things get bad enough.
Marv,
He is holding a meeting at Hooter’s. I am proud of how he has taken the CFP restructuring.
Good comment over at Ace:
“Was the cop that shot the terrorist a racist? After all, she shot him four times….”
Darrell,
Interesting theory. When does Hill make the break?
#64 Mdefl,
Make sure to have your HR people monitor is conduct while at Hooters (and that includes his sources too.)
Here is the poor misunderstood and picked up psychiatrist, who may have just happened to be a Muslim:
He talked about how if you’re a nonbeliever the Koran says you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throat, you should be set on fire. And I said well couldn’t this just be his educating you? And the psychiatrist said yes, but one of the Muslims in the audience, another psychiatrist, raised his hand and was quite disturbed and he said you know, a lot of us don’t believe these things you’re saying, and that there was no place where Hasan couched it as this is what the Koran teaches but you know I don’t believe it. And people actually talked in the hallway afterwards about ‘is he one of these people that’s going to freak out and shoot people someday?
66 – if she primaries BHO and wins, what are the chances of AA’s showing up to vote for her?
#9 Like others have said just because the AMA is for the bill doesn’t mean that doctors as a whole are. The AA(L)RP is also for this bill, but poll after poll confirms that seniors hate this bill with a blinding purple passion.
-Polaris
#69 knova
Very little.
Was the cop that shot the terrorist a racist? After all, she shot him four times….”
Comment by jason
The ignominy for a muslim to be shot by a female.
#69 Virtually Zero. Obama is an AA hero to the AA community and their way to “stick it to the man” (and this remains true no matter what else the particular AA voter believes in). Yes, I’m saying it: AAA support for Obama is openly racist.
That being so, HRC would be considered to be a “White Devil B!tch” and she’d be lucky to get ANY AA vote. We saw that before in the 2008 primaries.
-Polaris
New CFP (formerly known as Christian Family Poll) flash poll asks the following:
Do you think a vote on Health Insurance reform will take place on Saturday.
No – 94%
6% do not know what health insurance means.
Do you think Nancy Pelosi is secretly an escapee from The Palnet of the Apes?
Yes – 98%
No – 2%
Yes, I’m saying it: AAA support for Obama is openly racist.
Ditto
“I am sure though that there are more than a few here that think we should simply wipe out the entire 1 billion of them as a precaution.”
A real silly and asinine comment, typical of someone who as lost the argument and is now grasping at straws. The victims have become the aggressors. Notice Knova has not one word for the dozens of families whose lives are shattered forever. It’s all about “defending innocent Muslims” from prejudice, except nobody said anything about wiping out Muslims except those engaged in a war against it, radical Islam. It’s all about how this guy is just a poor nutcase, when all evidence points to the contrary.
Each to his own opinion, but Knova’s is truly despicable.
Knova,
They would still pull the Dem lever in 12 for HRC. The turnout with AA’s would be somewhat lower.
“war against us” I meant.
The ignominy for a muslim to be shot by a female.
Can’t trust a woman to do a man’s job. A guy cop would have killed the SOB and been done with it.
Knova,
I think I’ve said this before, but you’re a good egg. You’re standing up well on your principles.
Each to his own opinion, but Knova’s is truly despicable.
You are absolutely right, and as G_D is my witness I am going to change.
The guy was a islamoterrorist. There is no way to sugarcoat it.
From NPR:
He gave a Grand Rounds presentation. . . You take turns giving a lecture on, you know, the correct treatment of schizophrenia, the right drugs to prescribe for personality disorder, you know, that sort of thing. But instead of giving an academic paper, he gave a lecture on the Koran, and they said it didn’t seem to be just an informational lecture, but it seemed to be his own beliefs. That’s what a lot of people thought.
He talked about how if you’re a nonbeliever the Koran says you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throat, you should be set on fire. And I said well couldn’t this just be his educating you? And the psychiatrist said yes, but one of the Muslims in the audience, another psychiatrist, raised his hand and was quite disturbed and he said you know, a lot of us don’t believe these things you’re saying, and that there was no place where Hasan couched it as this is what the Koran teaches but you know I don’t believe it. And people actually talked in the hallway afterwards about ‘is he one of these people that’s going to freak out and shoot people someday?’
oh crap
Regarding the AMA endorsement:
The AMA is OK with whatever health care bill passes as long as its very profitable, patented billing code system remains a centerpiece of the health care system.
A lot of Democrats are getting a sneaky suspicion Mrs. Pelosi is willing to sacrifice their seats on the altar of liberal government health care. Combined with the election results and Mr. Obama’s falling poll numbers, this is no recipe for loyalty. Hello, tipping point. Hello, even crazier Washington.
WSJ
but one of the Muslims in the audience, another psychiatrist, raised his hand and was quite disturbed and he said you know, a lot of us don’t believe these things you’re saying,
Where the hell does that Muslim b@stard get off saying he doesn’t beleive it. He’ll be the next to go all jihadi on us.
Scroo them, let’s talk about how HRC is going to take down BHO
#79 Can’t trust a woman to do a man’s job. A guy cop would have killed the SOB and been done with it.
I disagree Knova. It’s hard to interrogate a dead man, and I hope THIS TIME that Obama doesn’t object to ‘intensive interrogations’.
We can always shoot him (and I hope we do) after a fair trial.
-Polaris
Obama: ‘Dont’ Jump to Conclusions’ on Fort Hood Shooting
AP
Is it O.K. now to jump to facts??
89 – typical weenie response from BHO. It is obviously terrorism. What part does he not understand.
“Did he really say that?”
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yup the unemployment part, don’t you know this is yet another sign of the massive economic growth underway? I swear it’s like watching Baghdad Bob, only far less entertaining.
Early reports of a major shooting in Orlando.
see post 84
As more information becomes available, it is clear that he killed in the name of his religion and that he was aligned, in believes anyway, with the very worst elemcents of Islamic Fascism.
We have not heard the last of this.
KH
I disagree. It’s even more entertaining.
I hope THIS TIME that Obama doesn’t object to ‘intensive interrogations’.
I agree, unfortunately as an American citizen, BHO will probably insist that he be given due process. What a joke.
Report: At Least 2 Dead, 8 Injured in Orlando Shooting
Friday, November 06, 2009
“Hasan’s family said in a statement Friday that his alleged actions were “despicable and deplorable” and don’t reflect how the family was raised.”
Knova, are these more of them racist Muslim haters?
Report: Iran Tested Advanced Nuclear Warhead
FNC
“You’re standing up well on your principles.”
Tell me exactly what principles he is standing on to shill for this guy.
Gallup is late today, probably a bad night for Obama.
99 -they are all haters. They practice Islam, which is certainly not a religion of peace.
Obama’s next lefty legislation? We have to get these guns from these gun and bible clingers. You know – another crisis. Never let a crisis go to waste. Get the guns.
#89 Oh really Mr President? A radical muslim (and it’s now clear he was a radical Muslim) shouts Allu Akbar while gunning down innocents in the name of his religion (apparently). This is something that is clearly a terrorist act….and we aren’t supposed to jump to conclusions?
Mr President, your predecessor kept us safe from Radical Islamic terror attacks for his entire term since 9/11. You seem to have blown it in less than a year….and you’d rather joke about it and only mention it three minutes into an disrelated conference?
I think the American people want and expect better from you, Mr. President.
-Polaris
#100 OH damn….how’s that policy of “constructive engagement” working with Iran NOW Mr President?!
-Polaris
104 – I said that too. The anti gun people will be going after guns because that Muslim used one. Surprised that he didn’t use a suicide belt like the rest of his kind.
Polaris, I don’t expect better of him. In fact I don’t expect anything from this leftist loon. He’s operating right at the level I expected.
Knova
Islam is not the religion of peace. Buddhism maybe but definitely not Islam. Bush was an idiot for saying that.
“We have not heard the last of this.”
Obama is about to impose a gag order. Knova and an army of apologists will enforce it.
hero
#92 Yep. I liked Baghdad Bob’s act better. He really was fun to watch.
-Polaris
You are damn right it is not a religion of peace.
“Don’t jump to conclusions” is code for give us more time to cover up the terrorist aspevt of this.
Mmmmm, I suspect alot of corrupt deal making will be taking place in the house this weekend…..too much long term power for Obama and the statists to give up……they will appear next week out of the blue with something about spot on 218…..watch for the Botox grin ala cap n tax…..this is more show to justify dropping the Government Option to the left……this thing is only dead if and when they get there big press conference together and announce its over due to the obstruction of R, Tea Partiers, and the evil insurance lobby….
But yeah, this is like a Obamacare hostage crisis…..need Rush or somebody to go on daily and announce it everyday lol
#108 I don’t either but I think it’s fair to say that about 70 million voters did.
-Polaris
you are correct jason. in fact as a form of repentance, I want you to post my apology and defense of the Muslim perp for all to see.
I am changing and assimilating right before your eyes dude. It feels good and it is a lot more fun.
52-42, No change in Gallup.
116
the sheeple
jason,
I made it clear below that I vehemently disagree with knova, but now that I’ve made that point, I don’t see any reason to keep beating a dead horse.
Here we have Baghdad Knova. “Not one terrorist was seen at Fort Hood. Just one lone weird kinda nutty guy just like every other lone weird kinda nutty guy except this one happened to espouse Islamic Jihad and killed a dozen people, but really, it’s just a coincidence”.
jeff g. I no longer have principles that are not in strict conformity of the majority of this community. I will abide by the customs, rituals and norms. And it feels great.
#155 But it’s also true especially now that the longer that Pelosi waits, the harder it gets for her to pass this monstrosity.
-Polaris
Jeff G. you can make your own decisions on dead horses if you see fit, and I will make mine. How is that for a fair division of labor?
#123 I meant to refer to #115
121 – you are right. Not a single one of my posts called this a terrorist incident. I am changing, I am assimilating, so that you jaso will be my friend.
Knova,
That’s good because while I appreciate the need not to paint all muslims with a broad black brush (whatever I personally feel about the Islamic religion), it’s worth noting that this really does seem to be a terrorist act by a follower of radical islam.
-Polaris
#123 Yep, true. Time is not on Pelosi’s side but raw numbers and pure power politics is……
Right now its all about the “balance of fear”……do the Blue Dogs fear the wrath of the American people/voters more then the thugs of the the statist cult (Obama, Pelosi, etc)……
This is why we need to keep the pressure constant on these people…..
Anyone else caught on that Knova has basically given up his feeble arguments, since he got his head handed to him ( another veiled Jihadi reference OH MY !) and has now degenerated to making total specious and strawman arguments? I guess I mean has anyone not noticed? That means he knows he lost the debate. You would think a man of such fragile sensibilities would think twice about calling everyone bigots and worse just cuz they disagree with his inconsidered position.
And yes I know lots of Muslims, there is a mosque half a mile from my house, my child goes to school with lots of Muslims, and for ten years my next door neighbor was a Pakistani immigrant. Not to mention all the Iranians I knew at college pre revolution. Next strawman?
127 – if you read my posts on the previous thread, you will see my real opinion of the incident. jason seems to think that i never called it an act of terrorism, and sense he seems to be today’s arbitor of what is right at HHR I am going along with it.
But being a man of facts you may want to look at the thread below:
40
54
66
72
103
116
Orlando: 2- dead 8 wounded, man still on the loose.
Knova is now being flippant. Cute. But it doesn’t work. See, some things are beyond just differences of opinion and being outside the mainstream of the blog. As a pro-choice secular guy I am a minority here too and take my knocks like everyone else. I have been excoriated for defending Dede and Crist and lived on despite being called a RINO. But certain things like for example denying the Holocaust, defending Hitler, claiming Bush bombed the twin towers, Bush invented Aids to kill black people, etc. are not merely differences of opinion. WHen someone walks into a room and kills a dozen people in premeditated fashion for religious and political reasons based on hate there is no moral equivalency, no balanced view, no mitigating factor.
129 – No strawman. If i defended the guy and refused to call it terrorism, then I deserve to have my head handed to me. You must also be one of today’s arbitors.
Naw, you have changed my mind totally, and there is nothing more exciting than a recent convert who is a true believer.
Lost argument quite apparent, and not very pretty either.
Jason Rodriguez is da shooter\suspect – be on the look out.
132 – The post numbers are there for everyone to see. Did I call it terrorism or not. Did I hold the individual responsible for his actions or not?
Assimilation is great.
135 – probably an illegal
correction 6 confirmed victims (deaths unknown orlando pd)
“and sense he seems to be today’s arbitor of what is right at HHR I am going along with it.”
This is very elucidating about Knova’s thought process. It’s obvious he thinks there are two equally valid ways to look at this terrorist attack. Some kind of sick moral equivalency. Reminds me of Polanski, it’s ok to rape 13 year old girls because everyone wants to do it. To him, there were two sides to the argument. Knova and Polanski are two sick dudes.
137 – LOL assimilation complete!
“Jason Rodriguez is the shooter…”
Oh, sh….
13 year old girls…jason come on, you have to better than that, besides we are buds now. Show our peeps exactly where I defended this jihadi. It will be good to have this out in the open for all to see.
Obama: The police acted stupidly.
Obama; Don’t jump to conclusions.
Reaction to ft. hood~~~obama
Reaction at 9-11 memorial~~~bush
#144 Yeah, that just about says it all.
-Polaris
“Did I hold the individual responsible for his actions or not?”
No actually you didn’t so you can stop lying now. You attributed it to “blowing a gasket” and equated it to some nutcase shooting. You tried to gloss over the whole terrorist aspect and to do so started throwing around the racism canard. Truly despicable.
Authorities have identified the alleged gunman as Jason Rodriguez, 40, a former employee at the office building.
FNC
Hope that means a real American got his job, although it really won’t help the unemployment rate much. Too bad for BHO.
#115 -LOL “It’s day 128 of the HealthCare Bill Hijacking Crisis… no progress has been reported with the hijackers, though rumors are a few more hostages may be planning an escape.”
You are not my bud, I think you are sick despicable ass.
#147 – Just look at what the Obama economy is driving people to do.
144 – The contrast is stark on that front.
jason, You are spot on today.
146 – come on jason, pile ‘em on. Put all of the posts out there, not just one that answered another poster’s remark. You can do it dude
I think it’s safe to say that this has been a R-O-L-A-I-D-S week for Obama and the Dems.
-Polaris
“jason, You are spot on today.”
thanks, even a blind squirrel picks up an acorn once in awhile.
149 – no bud, we are now one in the same. right there with HD, DQ, Jason T and all the rest. I am you now, we are Legion.
More like a prep H week.
yeah…folks…enough of the name calling…what purpose does it serve to call someone you don’t agree with a “sick, despicable, *ss”…i don’t care what you believe or how you defend it, but that is boorish (and more importantly) boorish.
This horse has been flogged, flayed, put away wet, and sent to the glue factory.
…and no one has changed anybody’s mind.
tip EPH:
Hello, Tipping Point
The Obama presidency was always a race against time.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704013004574517924229019190.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
Lets have another shout out!!!!!!!!
“Put all of the posts out there, not just one that answered another poster’s remark.”
That one hit the mark, huh? What difference does it make if was “answering another poster”. You said it.
Knova, you know the old saying, you don’t have to eat a whole egg to know its rotten. I don’t need to regurgitate your sick posts. Everyone read them, people make up their own minds, I don’t need to interpret it. But I would bet most people got your message loud and clear.
knova
…and no one has changed anybody’s mind.
No, HB, that is where you are wrong. I fully intend to comply with the norms of our little community here. Might even be a little over the top, because that is the way that recent converts can be, just so that we can prove our loyalty.
I am the new EPH ROVE!!!!! Bwahahahahah
#160 LOL Tina, who should the shout out be directed at this time?
Perhaps Iamdinnerjacket?
Hellbelly
I hate to tell you, but blogs are not about changing peoples mind.
I think people who defend terrorism as “blowing a gasket” are sick despicable asses. Feel free to call it what you want.
162 – Could apply to Bambi.
……well, if there’s a contest to be the new Eph let me add an “Eph-ism” regarding the quality of this discussion: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
#165 – Generally speaking no they are not, but good arguments do make some think, though it’s rarely the individuals that are conversing.
162 – My new hero and mentor DQ
http://www.meredy.com/waynetriv.htm
Knova,
From reading your previous posts, it seems that your main point was to not paint all Muslims with a broad brush. I can appreciate your point and can accept it. I did say that I thought Islam was evil but nowhere did I say that all Muslims or the majority of Muslims were evil. And please show me which posts by others used a broad brush attacking ALL or the MAJORITY of Muslims.
You keep repeating the fact that you did call it a terrorist act but over and over you tried to use various MORAL EQUIVALENCY arguments try to make your point.
You pride yourself on your logic and reasoning abilities but in this case, you have only shown your weakness in these areas.
And your saying you were wrong was most likely being facetious.
Here is my question to you : Who here blamed all or most Muslims for this attack ? Please provide the post number and thread.
Why you peeps all on eph now, not even here atm.
Not all Muslims are terrorists, most terrorists these days are Muslim though.
Here is a pretty good editorial from NRO on how ScaryCare would be an utter economic nuclear bomb detonating on the American population:
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NTQ2ZTI4MzcwMzNmZDY0MzRjNzgwNGY0NjQ2NGI1YTY=
Although I pretty much blogged myself out last nite on the FT Hood sicko, I will add one more simple thought at this time.
Even though we are getting pieces of disturbing info on this guys person background, its still far too early to say this was a terrorist incident or a jihadist incident.
Until connections to a terror group is made to the shooter or further clarity on his writing and pronoucement makes that evident, its premature to speculate on it I think.
I see it as equally as likely that this guy could be just a few bricks short of the full wall and somewhere in his twisted head the combination of stuff, including his views of his relgious beliefs, led him to rationalize in his sick head this action. To some degree, all these sickos have some perceived greivence and justification for this in their head. Or he could be a flat out nut job.
My point is, what the hell is the harm in exercising some self-restraint and let the facts come out from the investigation. The Army CID is professional and will do their job correctly. IF it turns out to be a terrorist/jihadist act then there is plenty of time for assessing blame as needed. But if it turns out that this was just a twisted freak then the critics will just look like alarmist idiots which is counterproductive. Their is no downside I see to being patient and keeping a lid on rampant speculation right now.
167- what discussion. We have tried discussion it does not work. Only assimilation and conformity work. BTW HB you should read the posts that I posted and see for yourself how terrible and misguided I was. i deserve the flogging from jason and Gary.
KH, I am one step closer to retiring…
I will have a huge shout out on that day.
You’ve got to be kidding me — a police officer calming and rationally taking a screaming, uncooperative friend of Obama’s into custody is immediately accused by Obama of “acting stupidly,” but we “shouldn’t jumpt to conclusions” about a Muslim guy yelling what he did as he shoots down a bunch of innocent people? Somebody needs to post a video on youtube showing the difference in the way Bush and Obama responded when making their first comments to the country following a terrorist attack.
I meant “calmly.”
It looks like Krauthammer has finally figured out what was clear to me after looking at the exit polls in 2008 and blindingly obvious to me after looking at the Martin-Chambliss runoff a month later.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/06/the_myth_of_08_demolished_99048.html
-Polaris
You are either with the jihadi or against the jihadi. There is no middle Road; no Big Tent; and no “moderation.”
170 -you Tim are now my new spiritual mentor. i more than ready to bash babylonian (Iraqi?) babies heads against the rocks, just like the Psalm tells me.
Wylie,
I think it’s pretty clear that what happened at Ft Hood WAS a terrorist act and WAS inspired by Radical Islam. Whether it was the act of a lone man or organization is something I really, really want to know.
-Polaris
I can only imagine Tina.
TimV
I asked knova why he felt compelled to remind everyone that not all Muslims are killers or evil. People were clearly referring to radical Islam. I am still waiting for an answer.
#180
What kind of nonsense is that? Are you suggesting that Radical Islam does not incite violence against the West?
Why should i answer a trouble making pro-abort Palin hater like you.
#176 Well yeah, Obama was an idiot for speculating prematurely about a matter he knew little about…..big mistake that came back on him in a huge negative way!
Maybe there is a lesson to be learned from this….
Besides, people can infer on there own. No need for anyone in the conservative media, etc to be leaping out there to make the same mistake Obama did.
179 – Yup. There is no middle ground on the issue for them, there should be none for those opposed.
“We have tried discussion it does not work. Only assimilation and conformity work”
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Spoken like a jihadi.
Knova should be commended on his banal attempt at supercilious,insouciant, condescending facetiousness.
Three cheers for a valiant attempt.
this gets easier all the time. Almost cathartic
#185
What’s your problem today?
I want to find potential jihadis too and get them before they get us.
#188 – Stop using big words!
#191
You will never be able to accoplish that. You hypersensitive, PCness will hamper you.
Check your mirror.
I can’t wait until 2010. Indies turning away from Obama, Angry Republicans motivated to show up at the polls, blacks and the mindless 20 something hope and change Obamabots not motivated to show up with their messiah not on the ballot.
It will be a blood bath.
Polaris #178:
That there has been little realignment when a little nugget came up in the VA exit poll:
White Evangelical/Born-Again Christians (34% of voters) McDonnell 83% Deeds 17%
All Others (66% of voters) McDonnell 44% Deeds 55%
McDonnell is toast without SoCons.
Knova why the Hate? I agreed their are good muslims, but that FT.Hood was a Terrorist act
#188
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
DQ – I want to be just like you. I was wrong about you yesterday. You are truly a John Wayne type and to be emulated.
Wylie I never claimed this was an orchestrated terrorist act. I claimed this guy is a terrorist based on the fact we have a Muslim with a history of espousing radical ideas and admiring terrorist bombers who walks in a military base and blows away 12 bystanders while shouting “God is great”. There is no prejudice or racism to call this an act of terror. Even if it turns out the perpetrator is not part of a cell or an active member of an organization this is still an act of terror.
#186 I generally agree, and you will notice that when the story first broke my tone was a lot more moderate than it is now. I cautioned everyone that we didn’t know all the facts.
Well we still don’t. HOWEVER, I believe we know enough to conclude that this attack was inspired by radical islam and was a terrorist act.
Whether or not it was the act of a single man or not, I still can not say (but would dearly love to know).
-Polaris
#195. It’s really amazing. Take NJ for example, 18-29’s were 17% of the electorate in 2008. In 2009, they were only 9%.
#194
Was that directed at me? Just wondering since I NEVER insult any group and I am always the diplomat.
/sarc
197 – No hate dude. only assimilation. BTW, did you read the posts that i gave the numbers for where the other jason says I didn’t call it terrorism? You should, it will make me feel better.
Polaris, Kruthhammer was correct when he said 2008 was a myth.
Listen I do not see unemployment going below 9% anytime before Nov. 2010.
the MSM could not help Corzine, and not Obama.
40 seats won minimum
Obammers manchurian mole
Wylie can’t be trusted if he doesn’t see this terrorist act for what it is. This guy had to be part of a sleeper cell for sure.
I’m sure that a Richard Clarke type will come alon and say its not terrorism (one who works for the Admin).
I want to know why this guy was a major given all the stuff he said about our involvement in Iraq. This is just crazy. PC at work.
#196 I agree Sam which is why I have been openly hostile to Frum and his acolytes for a while now even though I agree with them on several individual issues. The poll you cite makes it perfectly clear that if the So-Cons are alienated, the GOP is dead meat.
-Polaris
#181 No, I have to say its not clear or a proven fact yet. We can infer it may be likely from the circumstantial evidence he have heard in the press (if verified as true). But it can be equally as likely we are dealing with a sick minded individual who formulated several grivence in his head then unfortuately acted on them.
My point is, why the hell the need to rush put out unproven assertions which if subsequently proven to be wrong makes all conservatives look like reactionary wackos if wrong.
No downside to being patient and waiting for the investigations to run their course…
Simply stating the facts will effectively allows people to draw their own inference without us shouting opinions and generalizations from the roof top….equally as effective
#209 You and a lot of others (including me) would like to know what Major Malik was still doing in uniform.
-Polaris
Obama is like a one hit wonder band from the 1970’s.
Young people love the new act, and then one month later they are gone.
Young people will lose interest in 2012, Obama is nothing new or exciting.
No downside to being patient and waiting for the investigations to run their course…,
You sir need to assimilate and get on board with the truth…and be brief about it, if you don’t mind.
203 No, no mirror would be strong enough to stand the shock, that was for the dyingstar.post 191
#211 Wylie,
Given what Major Malik said before, given he was already under suspicioon, given his battle-cry during this massacre ALL adds up to the conclusion beyond any reasonable doubt (using the legal standard) that the man was a radical islamic terrorist.
Whether or not he was a lone wolf or not, I am not prepared to say.
-Polaris
It turns out that the jihadi was recently promoted – perhaps less than a year ago. Who allowed this promotion when by all accounts he was hostile and the FBI was tracking him. Why did the FBI back away?
Richard Clarke is a hack. His Obama knee pads are worn out.
Clarke allowed Al Qeida to form in the firs tplace.
215 – you are hurting my feelings. You are my new mentor, one whose view I will adopt for my own.
So, in short, he was not a PTSDer, and was not a simple person, hated by his peers, who handed out the KORANS,
“You are truly a John Wayne type and to be emulated.”
This is your best attempt at flippancy?
I see that when I quoted your own post you ran away like a yellow- bellied dog.
Tina, the FBI probably did not move on him because they were looking to see if he was working with others in the Jihad movement.
I predict congress will appoint a Special Prosecutor in this case.
#216 Continued. All that has to be done is highlight this information as it comes out and I expect that most people (regardless of idealogy) will draw exactly the same conclusion I have.
I am not jumping to anything. I am making a reasonable conclusion based on the available information. I am also being very careful to state what I don’t know as well.
-Polaris
215 – you are hurting my feelings. You are my new mentor, one whose view I will adopt for my own. knova
As well you should.
Knova, in others news did the VA GOP pick that 6th House seat?
#196
By all means, let’s put the SoCon agenda front and center and tell the American people that big government is bad unless it is used to dictate people’s reproductive life, sex life, recreational life.
Polaris, after other plans were foiled at Fort Dix and other bases by the FBI, it is reasonable to assume that this is part of a bigger plan by the Jihad
By the time this is over the killer will be portrayed as a victim of the racist, evil American military complex.
I always wondered how Richad Clarke “fixed” the downing of the TWA airplane, a man who had little to no airplane experience.
Chekote grow up, your act is getting tired and stale.
Very repetitive and boring.
#230
Not as stale as the SoCons taking credit for every victory but never the blame for any defeat. Social issues played absolutely no role in Tuesday’s election and yet the SoCons could wait to claim credit. Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe the evangelicals in VA voted for McDonnell because they are worried about losing their jobs?
224 – does that mean that we are friends now?
225 – I haven’t really followed it. Even if we did not we are in very good shape.
#226:
Was I talking to you? Idiot.
#211 I would concur that the circumstianal facts would likely infer this as a terrorist act…..
I am simply advocating that restraint and patient plays to the conservatives/anti-jihadist advantage at this time…..
We gain many more converts by appearing as mature adults and restrained in tone then as shrill alarmist as thats what the leftists do….plus on the off chance that facts dont bear out what we think we dont look like idiots……
I just question the need to be screaming from the roof tops on talk radio, etc about this today as simply relating the information in a calm rational manner makes the point just as well….
#233
No, you are the idiot for even bringing up the social issues in the context of Tuesday’s election. People voted for the Republican in NJ and VA because of the lousy economy.
Chekote, we get that you blame Conservatives for all ills in the GOP.
All the moderates in the GOP did so well.
Nixon, Ford, Bush 1, Pataki, Colin Powell all left the GOP in such good shape after the left office.
Jason T>
Regarding VA, I count 62 Rep seats (as opposed to 53 before the elections) on the Board of Elections. Not sure how many, if any, are under recount.
“This guy had to be part of a sleeper cell for sure.”
Knova is now using sandbox psychology. The problem is that nobody here said let’s not wait for the investigation before determining if Hasan belongs to a sleeper cell or a terrorist cell. That would have wider implications but does not detract from the fact Hasan is a terrorist, even if acting alone.
Small minds are so easy to see through.
Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe the evangelicals in VA voted for McDonnell because
they are worried about losing their jobshe is pro-life/There, i fixed that for you Chek.
How do you Pelosi is lying??
Her lips are moving.
1. No single payer vote for Weiner. Another day and another broken promise. This particular amendment was worthless but harmless. Why not keep your word?
2. Yes the house will be budget neutral but only over 10 years but not over 11 or 12 years. 7 years of spending versus 10 years of spending and taxes.
3. Finally its only budget neutral based on what medical/medicare/state payments that are pushed off budget. So Medicare cuts are part of the house budget but medicare spending is off budget.
Does anybody remember the song”what can of fool am I”?
This tune has replaced “don’t stop thinking about tommorrow” as the new democratic tune
170 -you Tim are now my new spiritual mentor. i more than ready to bash babylonian (Iraqi?) babies heads against the rocks, just like the Psalm tells me.
Comment by knova
I don’t find your sarcasm amusing. Why not just admit you were wrong and let it go at that.
Wylie
That’s probably what the army thought. Let’s show restraint even though the guy was spouting jihadist rhetoric. Maybe he doesn’t really mean it. After all, Islam is the religion of peace.
#223 Just to clarify, I am speaking specifically about how I think this incident should be covered in the conservative media and what tone should be adopted to achieve best messaging to the widest audience….
Since we are bloggers dicussing the issue I expect rampant inferance and speculation on HHR, etc as that what we do on here – speculate and argue lol
He Chekote:
I was not talking to you, so shut the f*** up. I directed my #196 post to Polaris, so butt out. Moron.
We gain many more converts by appearing as mature adults and restrained in tone then as shrill alarmist as thats what the leftists do….plus on the off chance that facts dont bear out what we think we dont look like idiots……
That does not look like assimilation to me.
Why not just admit you were wrong and let it go at that.
He can’t. He is a man.
Knova,
I’m done discussing this with you. You are acting childish and immature.
Lets have a shout out!!!
Lets not come to any conclusions.
Hussein Obumbler.
chekote you sound just like a Beltway Phony Republican. You blame the Right wing for all problems in the GOP, but never admit that moderates have done much worse after Raising taxes etc…
Look all the fools and traitors in the moderate wing over the years who destroyed the party:
Nixon
Ford
Traitor Colin Powell
Olympia Snowe
Jeffords
Pataki
Ridge
You never admit to this, you are like a stubborn liberal
#227 You may well be right, but I don’t have anywhere near enough information to draw that conclusion beyong a reasonable doubt.
#234 I understand why the conservative media/bloggers have to be careful and I think for the most part they have. However, when I outlined the case as I did in #211 it seems very reasonable to call this a terrorist act…and Gibbs today was unconvincing that it wasn’t when posed that question directly (to say the least)
#226 Stop it Chek. I didn’t say anything CLOSE to putting the so-con agenda front and center and you know it. What I said was that the GOP can’t afford to tell the so-cons to buzz off because they are hurting the party (as Frum wants to do) because the GOP is not viable without them. I agree that we should push libetarian/captalistic economic policies (that have the side benefit of actually working and actually being in touch with those that made money).
-Polaris
#244
So now people can’t refer to other’s posts? What blog have been living at? Bringing up social issues in the context of Tuesday’s election is beyond stupid. Beyond moronic.
246 – I have admitted that I am wrong, what is the problem?
Although pathetic, his attempts at parody are amusing.
#242 Well no. There is no one person that is “Army”. Its not a monolith….even if he in fact made all these statements and more we dont yet know if his supervisors in his Chain-of-Command knew of them or if they had ALL the information available to him.
Very hard to make a case against this man from the odd isolated or unverified statement. But no the Army as a matter of policy and UCMJ would clearly not put up with if reported and substatiated.
Again, if anyone in the Army knew enought to take action but did not it will come out in the investigation and action will be taken….
“He can’t. He is a man.”
Hey, I resemble that comment.
Uh, um, um, what is the uh, uh, um name of my uh, uh, interior Sec.
Thank you uh um, for hosting uh uh the event.
Here’s a shout out to uh uh um you.
Hussein’s response to yesterday’s tragedy.
Sam, 2 were indy’s who voted with GOP. So it was 55 before Tuesday.
+7 Then I think
Jason T
As I recall George Bush was a SoCon. Yet he managed to expand the deficit while Clinton (not a SoCon) did not. George Bush also expanded the federal role in education. Expanded Medicare. Should I go on.
Chekote no wonder you have your nose up RINO Kay Bailey’s Butt.
259
A sight picture I would rather not have seen.
K. Bailout Hutchinson goes down. She should stay in the Senate and not run for Governor.
Polaris
How exactly did Frum tell the SoCons to buzz off? He said that the party should stay pro-life. I don’t think you even read Frum.
Is this Chekote person always this stupid?
261 Hmmmm interesting wording that.
Chekote, W was elected twice. Bush 1, and Ford lost.
Bush also appointed Roberts and Alito, two fine jurists and one Chief Justice.
Ft.Hood never happens under W
253 – Oh good, that means you are my friend now. Let’s go out and insult some homo’s. If we are lucky it will be an illegal also. A towfer.
#263
Not as dumb as someone who is trying to find some sort of message about social issue in the context of Tuesday’s election.
FFF still needs to explain why he did not think Christie was moderate enough.
I think the Va House is +6 if the recount went in the direction of the Republican. I kinda remember looking it up on Wiki and counting +5 with the one pending.
….time to switch to decaf, folks.
#258 The first two years of Clinton’s term, he was as bad (if not worse) than any other president when it came to the deficit.
He was FORCED into a pay-as-you-go system by the GOP congress after 1994.
As for GWB, he made some mistakes and you’re right that he increases the deficit. I also point out that he was forced into an unexpected war which has something to do with it, but he also felt he could buy his way into a better, less partisan atmosphere in Washington.
On this last point GWB was wrong, but GWB bears only part of the blame for that.
-Polaris
“Ft.Hood never happens under W”
That’s just an absurd statement.
“Sam, 2 were indy’s who voted with GOP. So it was 55 before Tuesday.
+7 Then I think”
I don’t think so, Jason T. I see 62 Reds. I’s are denoted separately. These are official designations, not who votes with whom.
Sam, even worse at Polipundit. Chekote is intelligent but hates Conservatives. Thinks Guliani is another Reagan.
I like Rudy but if he doesnt run in 2010, then he is worthless.
Is this Vekote person always this moronic.
Sam, my bad. Knova is from VA.
270 – OK, i have had fun today. This is so much easier.
Brandon stick to Jersey.
Regarding Rudy, poor guy…The Mean Thing kicked him out of the World Series Game the other day.
I am sort of enjoying the fact that one of the spikes driven through the heart of HCR will be coming from the pro-lifers.
Bush also appointed Roberts and Alito, two fine jurists and one Chief Justice.
George Bush wanted to appoint that incompetent Meiers and he forced to pick Roberts. He also wanted to appoint Gonzalez (that incompetent idiot who couldn’t handle properly the attorneys’firing). BTW, Dobson supported Meiers’ nomination because she was an evangelical Christian. Nevermind, she was not qualified for the job.n Let’s hear it for the SoCons!!!
Quit making assinine(and unprovable) statements then.
#267 That wasn’t the message I got from that at all. The exit polls confirm what I (and you) should already know, Chek. Without solid So-can/evangenilical/(or whatever else you want to call it) support, the GOP is not a viable national party. Period.
2008 showed, however, that so-con support wasn’t sufficient by itself for the GOP to be viable either, and I believe after the last couple of electoral disasters that the polically aware socons understand this and understand the need to compromise and adjust messages to times (like emphasizing libertarian/capitalist economic messages NOW).
-Polaris
Giuliani is more a Reaganite than George W. Bush.
Chekote wrong again. Get it straight.
Meirs was Alito, not Roberts. Roberts replaced Rheinquist as Chief.
I would not worry about who he wanted to appt. Worry more about who he appt – otherwise, we get FFF decisions like taking people’s property, etc.
Remember one of the Rino whores of the Court – the one that retired was upset that the “people” were questioning the Court on its decision on the Keelo matter.
284. Absurd, but Brandon probably agrees with you.
Polaris
What makes you think that evangelicals who believe in smaller government would stop voting for the GOP if the social issues were left to the states to decide instead of being addressed in the nationl platform? Evangelicals don’t care about jobs, healthcare, defense and other issues?
Wiki has it at 59 39 2
Rdel told me that the two indys caucus with the Rs and if anything might be more conservative than the Republicans.
Caveat, Wiki can be wrong.
With Roberts and Alito – can one even question how they would have deciced?
With the Rino whore – it would be very questionable.
#272 I am forced to reluctantly agree. I don’t see any reasonable security precaution given what was known by the MPs and other security personelle at the time that could have prevented the tragedy at Ft Hood.
That said, Obama will almost certainly take the blame since this seems to be the first radical islamic act of terror on US Soil since 9/11 (at least first sucessful one) and people will question why Obama could not do what GWB apparently could (keep us safe).
That’s not fair but politics is seldom fair.
-Polaris
Brandon, great job on Tuesday , but you have been a smart ass the last two days.
I do not need a Jersey RINO calling me out.
#284. I don’t think either of them are even close.
#292. Well you said Ft. Hood wouldn’t have happened if Bush was president. That itself is an absurd statement. I call it like I see it, buddy.
289 – here are the VA results from the BOE
https://www.voterinfo.sbe.virginia.gov/election/DATA/2009/37C2EDEB-FACB-44C1-AF70-05FB616DCD62/UnOfficial/8_s.shtml
#287
Giuliani reduced welfare rolls; cut taxes; law and order was restored in NYC; had the gall to kick out Arafat out of event. Only SoCons obsessed about people’s private lives can’t see that Giuliani was more a Reaganite than big government George W. Bush.
Polaris you disagree with me. I respect that, but I will not take insults from Blue state RINO’s like Brandon.
#256 – Classic Bambi
I like Rudy, but he supports Gay Marriage.
Which of my positions actually makes me a RINO? Or are you just talking out of your ass?
#289: GM,
I think Wiki is correct. I have trying to count through 7 pages on the VA Board of Elections site.
I think it is 59-39-2.
#288 Evangelics probably do, but did you miss the split between evangelical and non-evangelical voters?
My point is that that split dissappears and/or the socons are “read out” of the GOP like Frum apparently wants to do, then it really will be a disaster for the GOP.
IMHO Newsweek and the other MSM outlets are not the GOP’s friend, and they are hoping the GOP follows Frum’s advice. Fortunately for the GOP, it looks like Frum has marginalized himself in the GOP rather than vice versa.
-Polaris
TAPPER: Kind of a — a theoretical question, but what — at what point does an attack become considered a terrorist attack, even — even if it’s a domestic terrorist attack?
GIBBS: I don’t know that I would have the theoretical background to — to answer that. I would pose that to somebody at — at the FBI. But, again, I don’t know that we’re at a point yet where we fully understand motive.
The Whithouse spokesman Gibbs is an ass and a fool. The man is a Muslim of Jordanian desent and cries out Allahua Akbar ( god is great ) as he murders innocent unarmed people.
The motive is CLEAR. He is a radical Islamic terrorist.
Whether it could or could not have been prevented can be debated.
What can not be debated is that the Obumbler gets the blame.
Surely, a really bad week for him since he invested so much on the Governor races.
re: 283
reposted from below: “I’ve seen the coalition coming together to defeat this HCR monstrosity (tea-baggers; anti-deficitt folks; free marketers; pro-life conservatives; libertarians; etc.) before…hmmmmm…where was that?
Oh yeah….its the Reagan coalition.
We’re all on the same team, folks….remember that.
Actually on base, it would seem to me that there were a number of things that could have been done. The major had to pass by MPs and bring weapons onto the base. Thus he could have been subject to search and seizure of the weapons, if they had chosen to check him. Seems like in the cold light of day, they probably should have been checking him.
You give up a lot of rights when you join the military, and coming onto a military base is never a right and can result in either full or partial search or be denied entrance.
Sorry Brandon, but I was one of your biggest fans for your Jersey analysis. If you disagree me, why the insult. Say it another way.
Hellbelly well said.
#307. I’m sorry, but saying a statement is absurd is hardly an insult.
Here is the whole deal with the moderates and independents from my point of view. Please lets not emulate the idiots of the left in simply strong arming them or worse p###ing on them as the KOS types do.
Engaging in a reasonable dialogue to persuade them that their interest align more with conservative ones using a reasonable tone of dialogue is the right track. Here is a great article on that idea:
http://andrews.blogtownhall.com/2009/03/25/the_angry_right_and_conservatives.thtml
http://andrews.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/02/political_polarization_and_divisive_politics.thtml
Also, maybe someone can explain this too me, I simply dont see why SoCons dont see how the principles of individual liberty and personal freedom dont accurre to their advanatage if consistent applied. The acceptance of the statist premise that we need a big federal government telling us how to live enabled Roe v Wade and other socially destrutive leftist cultural edicts.
Consistentcy in attacking the statist premise of nanny government is the best way to shift this country back toward being largely pro-life and toward traditional values IMHO.
#285
You keep missing the point. If it had been up to Bush, miers and gonzalez would be sitting at SCOTUS. Not Roberts and Alito. In any case, my point is that Bush was a big government RINO.
If the guy was a trouble maker, couldn’t he have been stripped and thorwn off the base. Where’s is Patton when we need him the most.
The motive is CLEAR. He is a radical Islamic terrorist.
Of course it was terrorism. He yelled Allahu Akbar as he was shooting people. I also heard that he was wearing jahidi clothing.
It is absurd to say that it wouldn’t have happened under Bush.
tina in the long run that PENN supreme Court Race where the GOP took control of the Court could be huge in the future. In 2012 if Penn is a nailbiter
I suspect that he was protected somehow from within. Thus, he could not be touched,
(whoops did I let something out ahead of time).
#313
Stop it knova. It has nothing to do with just saying “Allah Akhbar”. He clearly was motivated by his disagreement with US foreign policy.
Just as absurd as Rudy.
#312
PC is destroying our military. If this guy was a white, good ol’ boy he would have been gone.
#318
I will take Rudy Giuliani over George W. Bush anyday.
317 – I am not going to waste time with a liberal like you. You like Frum. Frum is not a friend of conservatives, so you must not be one either.
312. TINA ROFL. Patton troops used to call it the Bacon dance.
when he captured Bosnian troops fighting with the Nazi’s he threatened them with pork products and Allah would not accept them if they ate it.
#306 Oh I know and I had a long discussion about this very point last night with Wylie and a couple of others.
However, unless the MPs know there is an imminent threat (which they did not otherwise the threat-con would have been higher), it just not realistically possible to stop and search every car that goes into Ft Hood. Doing so slows the business to a base to a grinding halt.
During exercises or periods of imminent threat, you can get away with searching every car. Day to day? Not a chance in hell.
-Polaris
jason #124,
I just felt like saying something that didn’t have the tone of “You suck” to someone with whom I disagreed. Others may do as they wish, but on this particular day I just didn’t want to say something else confrontational to a person with whom I find agreement on many other things.
When the D.C sniper was still on the loose, the analysts at CNN all thought it was a Evil White McVeigh Clone.
Once again we blame the instrument, not the perp. It wasn’t the gun’s fault.
So now the pro-lifers are going to take credit for sinking Obamacare? It was the fact that seniors showed up at the polls on Tuesday and voted against the Dems, that is stopping HC reform.
“I will take Rudy Giuliani over George W. Bush anyday.”
Haha
All losers stick together. Rudy has been ducking Schumer and Clinton all decade. If he wanted any GOP nomination, he would first make New York more Republican-friendly by taking either the governor or the senate seat.
#306 See the post Polaris and I had in the “Thrusday Nite Open Thread Below”. Not much what of what your saying is actually how the military operates on a day-to-day basis so there is little chance blame can be found there.
Would this have happened under W? Hard to say at this point if the shift in attitude (ie we no longer have Global War on Terrorism)toward pushing hard to try and unravel or find guys like this changed enough to impact potentially finding this guy. Maybe, maybe not….we shall see…..
I still think he was protected, I am sure that it will eventually comoue out…
Tina:
Officers can be relieved of their command, reassigned or just thanked for their service and turned into civilians.
My guess? The Army is cronically short of doctors including shrinks. And they had paid for this guys substantial costs of training, and were hoping against hope to get some of that investment back. I think Drs must commit to a 6 year commission in return for medical school being free. He still owed them some time and they needed a Dr.
Bad decision in retrospect, but probably understandable.
I want to know what the FBI knew about the jihadi rantings and when. Did someone in the WH overrule an FBI move? I think that is at least a remote possibility.
We can’t have a Patton today.
Rudy lost his seat to the Mean thing the other night. Mean Thing told him that he could not sit wwhere he was sitting, and off Rudy went.
#310 The only real problem I have with socons (and unlike some here I am perfectly happy to be their political ally on important matters) is that socons have a tendency when they think they have the votes to push FOR government intervention that’s just as intrusive as anything the libs can come up with based on their own morality.
I refer all of you to the Schaivo disaster which is the last time the socons were feeling their electoral oats…and the GOP brand is still recovering from that.
I believe that the politically aware socons understand the mistake in retrospect, but it’s always good to remind people of past errors (nicely) in order to (hopefully) avoid them in the future.
-Polaris
I respect the people here who exercise their free speech rights, God knows we cannot do it anywhere else with the Obama Gestapo lurki
#328
Why the hell should Giuliani care? During the primaries all I heard was SoCons calling him a baby killer and other idiots who couldn’t get over a comedy skit or the fact that he roomated with a gay couple. And yes, his messy divorce. Never mind that the guy turnout NYC was had become an unaffordable hell pit. No. That’s doesn’t matter. Let’s focus on his private life. You people are a pain in butt busybuddies.
when he captured Bosnian troops fighting with the Nazi’s he threatened them with pork products and Allah would not accept them if they ate it.
I saw a Chuck Norris film like that one time. He had infiltrated a gangster mob who was in a turf war with an Iranian mob. They would kidnap the Iraninan gangsters and take them to a slaugher house and make them eat pork. Unfortunately the Iranians got one of the hitmen and disembowelled him. It was pretty graphic and grotesque.
#336 Guillani was also a rotten campaigner. He sat out the early primaries in the belief that his early popularity would translate after primaries where he didn’t have much support.
How did that work out for him?
-Polaris
GM, I have those same suspicions, and this is what I;m hearing. Somebody told them to back off.
334. I agree we need to be pragmatic, but for many even outside the South also, Life is the number one issue.
What do you mean “you people”.
For the record, I am not a socon. I am neither white nor Christian nor evangelical nor born-again.
Maybe you people are a bunch of baby-killers.
It is doubtful that a trouble maker would be allowed to stay on base – based on what I am hearing.
#334 Agreed. I just think conservitives of all stripes gain both politically and in terms of practical policy outcomes if we maintain a consistent view against interventionist government and in favor of stauchly defending indvidual rights and freedoms.
All major SoCon goals can be achieved to more lasting effect with this approach then by using the statist/interventionist philiosophy.
Lawrence of Arabia ( and the British ) use to bury revolutionaries in a pig skin, so that they could never ascend to their reward. It was quite effective.
Gary, the FBI was trying to catch bigger fish. They were not just looking for the sleeper, but the whole cell
#338
He couldn’t get passed the pro-birth crowd. No pro-choice candidate will be nominated given the makeup of the GOP primary voters. Hell, Reagan would not be nominated in the current environment.
325 – When the D.C sniper was still on the loose, the analysts at CNN all thought it was a Evil White McVeigh Clone.
Actually, that was the profile from the FBI profiling facility in Quantico that came out with that. Also some of the original eyewitnesses described a white truck with a white driver which really screwed up the initial investigation.
Dean Meyers was shot early in the spree and the cops actually asked Mohamed and Malvo to remove their car from the scene. They had them right then and did not know it.
Reagan was not much of a Reaganite
I also want to know whether the “Walls” between Federal agencies prevented them from talking to each other about this case. So, if those walls were up, this could explain why this matter slippped through the cracks. One could then make an argument that it could have been preveneted under Bush.
However, until we have the answers, it is just speculation….
#341
But you are an idiot. That’s who I was referring to by saying “you people”.
244. Right. People forget that the wars in the Balkans really got heated over WW2. The Croats, Bosnians, and Kosovans all were Nazi Collabrators during the War, and help massacre the Serbs. The 1990’s was payback.
I am sure that the Obumbler would have came to the same conclusions as those at CNN about the Sniper.
Jason T
Understood. Maybe. And that is cold comfort to all the kids who lost a father or mother in the attack. Sometimes you lance the boil early and be satisfied that you were 100% effective.
Chekote you can dish it out, but not take it. Why the Hell do you live TX?
Strange, about the Obumbler:
Why does he leap to conclusions about Cheney and Bush, Blacks getting pulled over by whitey, but wont leap to any concluions about this incident
I believe that the politically aware socons understand the mistake in retrospect, but it’s always good to remind people of past errors (nicely) in order to (hopefully) avoid them in the future.
What are you talking about? It is never a mistake to defend human life.
#344 – That doesn’t sounds very PC… which of course means it was highly effective.
On the Balkan Wars, I submit that it was one of the worst foreign policy decisions we have ever made. By entering that War, we pissed off the Russians, who were happy about being a Superpower. After that, what did they do- invade territories, seize oil, etc.
Why the Hell do you live TX?
Because it is cheap to live here. Especially the housing. The property that I have here would cost millions in California or other nicer states.
Gary, the scum is paralyzed but still alive. At least we can interrogate him with the Threat of Execution.
One thing is certain, he will get better Health Care than you and I, and will be allowed to face Mecca 20 time a day.
#340 Agreed. However, life is best respected and preserved when we insit upon a limited government based whose specific purpose is solely to perserve/protect our individual rights/freedoms (the right to life being on the most basic).
We we are tempted to create “special cases” as conservatives for whatever issue is to lend credibilty to the statist/interventionist cause.
I would respectfully say all pro-life objective can be achived best when argured and implemented thru a individual rights, federalist, and limited government framework vice a morality based arguement.
Computers, Hard Drives Seized at ACORN’s New Orleans Office
Friday, November 06, 2009
Let’s not smear all who work for ACORN!
#355 Because the logical conclusions in this care are policially inconvenient to Obama. That’s why.
-Polaris
#360
I guess he won’t get any virgins.
347 – DC snipers, more terrorists, effective ones as well. Imagine 12 teams of those guys running around the top 12 metro areas all at once. Easy enough to pull off, highly disruptive, and a media storm only a jihadi could love.
362 – even the “old” knova hated ACORN. Imagine how much more I despise them now? Its almost like infinity time infinity.
Hey, what’s wrong with living in Texas?
Tina we supported the people in Bosnia and Kosovo , who gave refuge to Al Qeida. The Serbs were Christians. The serbs never forgave World War 2.
Phil easy. Chekote just tends to hate Conservatives, a Conservative State.
362 LOL from one more unreasonable racist.
#367 Dont mess with Texas!
Back off!
Step out of the car boy…..
Chek,
When the autopsy was done, the doctors confirmed that there was nothing human left of Schiavo before she died. Almost all of her bain (and certainly all of that part that contained all that we would cnsider to be necessary to be human) was gone and had been gone for years.
-Polaris
#360 Save us all the time and money and just off him now. Will he be sent to Gitmo Mr. President?
Now home come Shep Smith did not have an equal balance last nite/yesterday after he interviewee a relative of the Jihadi.
Was that interview fair and balanced?
Remember his meltdown.
Knight so true. If they came to Chicago, Law enforcement would be the only ones fighting back. The citizens would be sheep.
Hey, what’s wrong with living in Texas?
Nothing. But there are other states that are prettier.
Tina, Ironic that the Jihad hates Gays. Sorry shep
I can’t tell if Knova or anyone answered. There is one house seat in VA with a 16 vote edge for the GOP.
Or that what it was yesterday.
I don’t think they recount and retally the machines until today.
Yes, I know the history, but one must examine how Russian-US relations worsened (and have been worsening since that time). Due solely to our involvement.
Jason T
I am a conservative. A real conservative that believes in limited government. Not a phoney one who will embrace big government in a heartbeat if it meant imposing his/her morality on everybody else.
Let him sit in a Wheelchair for 30 years and let him pray for death.
Earlier today I made the suggestion that yesterday’s muslim terrorist had probably voted for Obama and his HOPE and CHANGE with the understanding that if elected, Obama would ensure that he would never be sent to Iraq. A year later, his hopes were dashed. Now I just found this in one of the many articles about this terrible incident:
“Retired Col. Terry Lee told Fox News said Hasan had hoped President Barack Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars.”
Looks like I was correct.
#376 No way. I love the texas landscape. Wide open spaces are cool. Thats where we coyotes like to roam – out on the open plains!
Tina what did you take of Bambi’s TAKE-2 presser today?
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All I took from it was they wanted to try and erase yesterdays horrible performance as no new information was presented.
#373 I want him interrogated first (the gunman). You STILL want to claim that Waterboarding is torture, Mr President. There is a person in a military hospital in Ft Hood that I think is the perfect candidate for it…..
-Polaris
I will email Shep the question. How come, he did not have an opposingguest to counter the relative of the jihadi.
My sources still think that Shep and Cooper of CNN are a couple.
Chekote are you a Conservative who supports Gay Marriage?
Chekote is right. The socons, who voted overwhelmingly for McDonnell, did so because of the economy. Meanwhile, the non-socons, who voted 55-45 for Deeds, did so because he was pro-choice.
BTW, Obama today looks more lost than usual. This guy is so in over his head.
Hey do not mess with Gitmo, that is one place that has the H1n1 vaccine, that and prisons.
“Looks like I was correct.”
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If you had said it yesterday prior to about 7pm.
But it’s not like it was a stretch.
Kudos anyway.
seat #21 is still showing 7670R-7654 D
365 – These guys would have kept it up for a long time, but mohomed started taunting the cops and leaving clues. They also got sloppy. Their car was finally described in detail and a trucker heard it on the radio and saw the car at a rest stop. IIRC he put his truck in aposition where they would not be able to escape after he called the cops.
Anderson Cooper Vanderbilt does have the big bucks
#390 Our tax dollars at work….
-Polaris
Let him sit in a Wheelchair for 30 years and let him pray for death.
Comment by Jason T. — November 6, 2009 @ 3:25 pm
Sounds like you are jumping to conclusions!
He hasn’t been convicted yet!
#387
I don’t support gay marrige and I don’t support KBH.
“My sources still think that Shep and Cooper of CNN are a couple.”
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My sources @cnn have confirmed they have been seen together in the past.
I am sure he will get a few ACLU attornies. One question will President Bush and Cheney get subpoenaed too.
#397 Odd that Chek given that you’ve defended her often enough here (KBH I mean). I find it difficult to find any good reason to defend KBH.
-Polaris
391…true enough. I get these things right so infrequently, thought I would point it out. I won’t make a habit of it.
Jack you are forgetting there are many DEMS who are Pro-Life.
I never defended KBH. I said she seems determined to run for governor and is free to do so. You are not much of a libertarian.
Put him in wheelchair and parachute him into the hills of Pakistan, then Reaper him .
#402 They usually keep very quiet about it too. If you think the GOP is hostile to those that are “pro-Choice”, it isn’t a candle on the hostility within the Dems to those that are “pro-Life”
-Polaris
chekote, but you supported Rudy for President Right. You did at Polipundit.
Rudy is Pro Gay Marriage
Here is a great article that refocus the HC debate on to trashing the most onerous, sleazy, scumbagalious, unconstitiutional crap calazone ever – the Individual Mandate!:
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ODU0NGRhY2FhNDAyZDA4MzAzMDBlZTJiZjM3ZjA4NDM=
“The centerpiece of the bills currently under consideration is not the “public option,” but the “individual mandate” — a legal requirement that all U.S. residents purchase health insurance, on penalty of fines and/or imprisonment.
The CBO describes an individual mandate as “an unprecedented form of federal action” whose closest analogue in federal law is the draft. But as President Obama told a joint session of Congress, the rest of the legislation won’t work unless the federal government forces Americans to purchase health insurance.
President Clinton’s ill-fated health plan had an individual mandate, too. Back in 1994, the CBO decided that since “the mandatory premiums . . . would constitute an exercise of sovereign power,” the agency would treat all premiums as federal revenues, including them in the federal budget.”
#406
No. Rudy never supported gay marriage.
#403 I never said that KBH couldn’t run. I said that she shouldn’t run and that doing so was an overt act of Ego and personal selfishness.
There is nothing there that diminishes my libetarian credentials there at all. It’s the simple truth.
-Polaris
Unemployment is 10.2%!
Don’t jump to conclusions that this means the economy is in bad shape!
Comments are coming too fast today to keep up.
Of course, if Hoffman had won HC would have been tabled forever. Too bad!
Ironic that he Americans who support the Rights of Radical Muslims, are the ones who be shot first if we were ever invaded by them.
I mean Jewish lawyers at Gitmo , come on.
Sounds like you are jumping to conclusions!
He hasn’t been convicted yet!
I said it before, we should waterboard him, make him eat pork and put him in close proximity to dogs. But that fairy BHO will probably give him the due process guaranteed by the Constitution simply because he is an American Citizen. Hopefully military law is tougher on this jihadi scumbag.
Brandon my fellow RINO friend. I am sooo happy about Christie.
10% Unemployment Rate tabled HC.
The AMA membership does not support the bill, it is the elite leadership who made the endorsement. My understanding is that there is a meeting of the AMA coming up shortly and the sh*t is going to hit the fan. Go to http://www.protectpatientsrights.org/, web site of organiation founded by former AMA president, Donald Palmisano, a great American and an articulate and reasonalbe physician. He has been all over the media speaking against this program.
I am not a physician, but work closely with them in my job and find that those in favor of government run healthcare are primarily those working in educational institutions or government jobs. The physicians in the trenches of the private sector who are dealing with the realities of running a practice are fighting to stay afloat with all of the present government intervention, the last thing they want is a government take over of the whole program.
I havent agreed much with Chek lately but she is spot on on Rudy.
There is not another person out there today that more succinctly and easily points out how insane most liberal policies are. And he actually enjoys mocking them, and could give a rats ass about what they think. His convention speech, I thought perfectly mocked and pointed out the absurdity of Obama.
#416
I still think they will try to bring it up. A Hoffman wins would have ended this debate for good. BTW, I don’t remember you from Poli. What was you name there?
Kay Bailey has made a safe Senate seat open by opposing the Incumbent Governor of her own party. Pathetic
Chek – How do you rationalize being against gay marriage but harbor so much animosity towards those who are pro life? You continue to perplex me.
410 – the “old” knova agreed with RDelbov that the economy was going to figure out how to hum in 10% world. Imagine how happy I will be now especially when we get to 12.5% No more illegals, the AA’s and younger workers not having jobs. PAYBACK TIME DUDES!!!
419. Shaggy, I left when Oak Leaf became Pro Obama.
Bailout should stay in the Senate. I would support the existing TX Governor.
Oh, I think that Major Malik is entitled to due process under the law like any other US Citizen.
However, due process does NOT mean a suspect can not be interrogated after they have been read their rights.
It’s also true that when you give your Oath of Office (as an officer) or Oath of Enlistment (as an enlisted man), you give up many constitutional rights under the UCMJ including as I recall your Miranda rights. IIRC, serving military members do NOT have the right to remain silent.
-Polaris
#415. Not as happy as I am!
“Was that interview fair and balanced?”
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To be honest it was followed after the break by a retired Col. that gave us all kinds of negative information about the guy. Just saying.
#418
Before Rudy’s speech at the convention, no one dared to lay a glove on Obama. He took him on and mocked him. Palin picked up where Rudy left and she did a great job going after Obama in her speech at the convention.
GPO well said, I like Rudy. But he sabotoged himself by not being pragmatic. His support of Gay Rights and Abortion make him a non starter nationally.
But remember the gayly Shep took offense to the R candidate being interviewed while the Democrat was not on, kind of like how Crossfire, or Hannity’s tv program.
AFter Shepardly started talking I flipped the channel, KH.
Chekote, please Tell Rudy to help the party and run for Office in NY in 2010.
It was not a good day for FNC. I dare not look at Al-CNN or Overbite.
Chek and others,
I have no issue with Rudy as a republican and in fact I think he does well in certain locals (like New York).
That said, his positions aren’t congruent enough with the national GOP norm to win a national GOP primary.
-Polaris
1 Even if Pelosicare makes it through the house, a bill leaving the Senate is becoming highly unllikely.
2. Muslims put their religion ahead of their family and country. The Muslims are becoming an increasing presence in the West and it is inevitable that suicide bombings, drive by shootings and terrorism that used to be someone else’s problem is now ours.
3. If the so called moderate Muslims do not come together and marginalize the jihadists, they will have no one lese to blame but themselves when they get discriminated against.
How do you rationalize being against gay marriage but harbor so much animosity towards those who are pro life? You continue to perplex me.
I don’t care if people are pro-life. I just don’t see that criminalizing abortion in the first trimester is called for. As far as gay marriage, I see no compelling reason for changing a fundamental institution that defines us as a Western culture.
#435 You do realize that you and Frum part company on Gay Marriage, i.e. Frum wants the GOP to stop opposing Gay Marriage.
-Polaris
His support of Gay Rights and Abortion make him a non starter nationally.
True. Very true. He could never win the nomination. But I think the GOP is making a serious mistake in shutting the door on capable candidates that have the ability to implement conservative governing principles just because of abortion and gay marriage. Why would any pro-choice candidate with national ambition join the GOP knowing full well that he/she will NEVER be nominated for the highest office?
Don’t worry about the unemployment rate that is over 10%, Obama says he’s regretful about that. Doesn’t that make you feel better?
#436
Frum is wrong on that although I see his point about future generations. So you are saying that anyone who supports gay marriage should be kicked out of the party?
Abortion might wiggle in the Future, but Gay rights. The GOP would be a third party if the Nominee supported that.
Doesn’t that make you feel better?
I won’t feel any better until the Obama-clown is out of the White House. He can’t be trusted with this country’s security.
#430 – Tina I just mute him, tv has been on mute the last 45 minutes.
So you are saying that anyone who supports gay marriage should be kicked out of the party?
you don’t?
This is so much fun
I think Rudy should run for NY Governor or Senate. I would support him. I have a Bigger Tent than Flim, Fram, Fraud and other Rinos.
#440
Look, I don’t care if same sex couples want to live together. Share benefits, estate and the like. I just don’t want marriage redefined. Once that door is open, watch for poligamy. We no longer will be a Western culture.
Bill Owens now supports the Public Option, what a fraud.
#438 Yeah…just think how much worse unemployment would be without Obama’s magic stimulous (sarc)!
#437 I think you are overstating it a bit. I think that a pro-choice/pro-gay marriage candidate could potentially win the GOP nomination IF:
1. He didn’t emphasize that during the campaign and emphasized economic issues.
2. He could show consistantly and persistantly that he stood the best chance of winning.
3. Assured the GOP that he would appoint judges of the constutional-constructionist mold (like Alito).
-Polaris
Yup, up Piglosi’s Arse.
These con democrats say one thing, and vote another way.
Economist: Obama approval 49-43
D-R-I 38-26-26
Compared with other Presidents you know about, do you think Barack Obama has more or less honesty and integrity?
Overall: 36.6-34.4 (more/less)
Seniors: 33-51
http://media.economist.com/images/pdf/Tabs20091106.pdf
Rudy did do an excellent job at the Republican convention, but by far the best performance/speech of the whole convention was Palin.
“in the Future, but Gay rights. The ”
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Did you mean gay rights there or did you mean gay marriage?
I think Rudy should run for NY Governor or Senate.
Why should he? The GOP base make it clear that he WILL NEVER be the nominee for the highest office in the land. He is making millions and enjoying his life. Why go through the aggravation?
#425 Polaris, yes service memebers do retain their right against self-incrimination and therefore do not have to answer questions or make statements if they are suspected of an offense under the UCMJ.
#446 You expected something else? Owens KNOWS that he’s only going to be in office a year so he’ll suck up to Pelosi as hard and often as possible to get a cush job after he is voted out in 2010.
-Polaris
#446 – Why does this surprise you?
best performance/speech of the whole convention was Palin.
She did a great job. Her followup sucked.
Bill Owens now supports the Public Option, what a fraud.
Hope he likes his 14 months as a congressman.
Herseth (D-SD) and all 4 VA Dems will oppose HC
Bill Owens now supports the Public Option, what a fraud.
You don’t say?!?!?!!?!?!
Micheal Williams was Great at the convention
The GOP is a coalition between fiscal conservatives/social libertarian and fiscal conserv/social conservatives. They both need one another. Abortion is the law of the land and while at times it is medically necessary, it is used as a mode of birth control which is despicable. However, the majority of the people are against outlawing abortion just as they are against gay marriage. Guiliani articulates fiscal conservatism like no other and practiced it in NY. He is socially libertarian, but as a President I believe will appoint constructionist judges.
Chek and others,
I have no issue with Rudy as a republican and in fact I think he does well in certain locals (like New York).
That said, his positions aren’t congruent enough with the national GOP norm to win a national GOP primary.
-Polaris
Comment by Polaris — November 6, 2009 @ 3:40 pm
His first inclinations for Supreme Court would not have been Miers and Gonzalez. The only problem I ever had with him was when he went against gun manufacturers. He changed on that, and I think it was a legitimate change of heart and not just for political expediency(I could be wrong)
451. Marriage Hawk
It seems that he just does not want to run for office. He is enjoying life without the pressure. ITs his choice. All the conservatives I know want him to run, but he is refusing.
#453 OK, I’ll stand correct on that. I know you give up a lot of other rights including search and seizure rights. However, a military lawyer obviously I am not.
I do know you can still interrogate a suspect after they’ve been told of their rights though. That’s true for anyone.
-Polaris
We all agree that Rudy is a great guy.
#447 – Nope the media would make it an issue by constantly bringin it up in every interview and debate, would not matter that the candidate was not raising the issue. If they know it hurts you they bring it up, especially if you’re running with an R next to your name.
He changed on that, and I think it was a legitimate change of heart and not just for political expediency(I could be wrong)
The Heller decision was behind his change of heart.
463 – Roger, that’s what I figured.
Let him sit in a Wheelchair for 30 years and let him pray for death.</I
Comment by Jason T. —
And be reminded every day as he pees in his depends, that it was a female that put him that way.
#467
BINGO!!!!!!
470 – He won’t know whether he is peeing or not. Should have just plugged him.
Too funny…
ChekOSI thinks if Hoffman won HC would have been tabled…
Good grief…
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Dems need to switch 29 votes
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#449 DrJay
I wonder what relevance partisan ID has to obaining an accurate reading of Obama’s approval number. It seems that the demographic should be divided along idealogical lines. Gallup’s recent number was 40% conservative/35% moderate/21% liberal/dnk 4%.
If the sample was weighted along those lines, Obama would likely show up underwater in the number.
Polaris…….is it possible to fisk any given poll and apply Gallup’s idealogical ID numbers?
#454 So may alot of the rest of them. Take Alan Grayson, that guy can probably milk the noterity of his boarish behavior into cushy appointed positions and other pocket lining due to his status as a statist pop icon.
I think this is a serious part of the HC calculus now. A large swath of D have to think they have zero chance no matter what stand they take on HC as 10 is looking more wavish by the day.
Human nature is to look for an escape plan to cushion the hard landing. Pelosi, etc are promising many many post defeat hook ups.
Look for more Owens to come out in the future.
The only ones that will survive by being D oppentent of HC are guys like Stupak who were out front in opposition and getting a good hook into a particular provision so as to appear “principled” even though it may be more related to personal politcal health.
Again, all this fear n loathing is being worked out in the butcher shop called “the democrat house caucus”
ChekOSI thinks if Hoffman won HC would have been tabled…
You bet! 3 for 3 would have sealed the deal. You obviously don’t have the mental capacity to comprehend that.
474 – What?? They are short 29 votes to hit 218? That is a little surprising actually.
I just watched the “Shout out” Obama conference. The video is much more jarring than reading about. What a jackass!
Jason Rodriguez was fired 2 years ago – I was wrong, gotta be Bush’s fault now.
#465 Correct, he just doesnt have to answer. Military makes them sign a “rights wavier” before questioning if they want to talk.
I am not a military or other lawyer but I have stayed at Holiday Inn Expresses before lol
#480 BINGO!!!!
Speaking of sealed deals…
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“House Republicans note, “As of today, at least 69 Democrats have expressed opposition to the Speaker’s health care bill.”
The Democrats have 258 seats and Cantor has said no Republican will vote for the bill. Pelosi can lose 40 and still have a bare 218–217 majority. Which 29 are going to have their arms twisted the most?”
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Piglosi has no mental capacity, she will keep trying and trying as will the Obumbler and the (bent) Axelrod.
Knight, House GOP says 69 DEM Against, so Cruella needs to flip 29 for 218 to pass.
They are so stupid, they can give cover to 40 Blue Dogs, but if this crap passes they all will go down in 2010 anyways.
Tina
They are stuck. If they don’t push for the public option, their base will be pissed. If they do push for the public option, the rest of the country will be pissed.
Yes, its jarring on tv, but listen to it on the radio
The only reason Axelrod and Rahm are in the fold is because they are Jewish. It was a way to pacify the Israeli lobby who think obama is a Muslim
Any change the WH get’s desperate and starts offering WH and administration jobs and ambassadorships being offered in exchange for some votes on this, crap&tax, etc and then retirement into their cushy jobs for two years?
#482 – Hey that’s my line, I use that all the time in real life. Good laughs!
#489
Exactly right. A lot of Jews figured that Rahm would look out for Israel and decided to look past Rev. Wright.
#474 28 need to change which means Pelosi is looking at 68 turncoats.
I don’t think she has a chance in hell of getting those 28 but I could be wrong.
-Polaris
There is no way my blue dog will flip. He is one of the most vulnerable. VA_02 has been a pretty reliable GOP district, and this guy just barely slipped in last time, due to having Obama on the ballot. He very well could be dead meat next year no matter what he does, but if he votes for it, then he is a goner for sure.
Come to think of it, if they think he is a goner anyway, they might just go ahead and have him vote for it.
And remember, Piglosi thinks she won on Tuesday. I would question her mental capacity.
WHEN are “them Jews” going to let Obama speak to Rev. Wright again???
Huckster on YourWorld: “Obama stop scaring business”, also says Mrs.Piggy doesn’t have the votes, this thing is dead, and just about anyone that votes for it is dead at home.
Yeah we could use a nice quote today from Wright to cap off this week.
#493 Another report says its 20…..20, 28, 29 whatever its alot….alot of arm breaking and deal makin needed for ScaryCare….
Keepin’ on the pressure this weekend may break it off on this thing and save the republic from the horror that is ScaryCare!
500
#492 Rahm is a JINO – jew in name only!
#495 – I know, that’s why I want her to stay in charge though at least next summer! We need her, Hoyer might actually be competent.
’bout time for a new thread.
#501 – LOL!!! JINO, I like it.
Where are the polls?
Last year, she happened to me strolling through a downtown SF Shopping Mall with her bodyguards, looking as arrogant as possible.
(Classic Liberal look – nose in the air)
Silver:
Not that it necessarily means anything, but there’s an odd symmetry to that graph: a period from January through August last year where the payroll deltas were bad, but fairly steady from month to month, and then an inverted peak where things were really awful, and now what looks to be another sort of plateau. January 2008 was the month when the payrolls figure turned negative, and they were at their worst in January 2009 — if things indeed turn out to be symmetric, that would mean that January 2010 is the last month when the economy is still shedding jobs, and February when it starts creating them.
This stuff ought to be much more of a reason for Democrats to worry than whatever happened on Tuesday. Even if the jobs come back a little faster than expected once the employment picture in fact turns the corner, which I think is possible, voters are liable to be looking at an unemployment rate on the order of 9.5 percent as they go to the polls for the midterms.
Brad Sherman (D)CA: New stimulus idea: We want to guarantee State debt!
How convenient for you congressman.
Are they nuts?
498…
“Barack knows what it’s like to be a black man living in a world controlled by rich white people”
#508
There are desperate.
#508 thats the most bonkers idea I have ever heard of ever…..well at least today. We live in a world of insane government interventions lol
I meant they are desperate.
9.5% would mean at least 30 seats lost for Cruella
When all else fails, the Drats could go the Get Whitey route in 2010.
507- Stating the obvious no?
#508 That’s as bad an idea of trying to go back to the gold standard with our current debt (in fact it’s about the same thing)!
You think our economy is bad now…if you do this, you ain’t seen nothing yet….
-Polaris
http://www.rightwingnews.com has a good breakdown on every DEM member.
514 – Works in Chicago, worked last time, what could go wrong!
#506 Arrogance, ruthless ambition, and marxist ideology can get you on so far….
Obama is toxic in Texas.
http://www.news-journal.com/news/content/news/misc/stories/2009/11/06/11072009_Hopson_wire.html
498…ah, why not just one more:
Rev Wright about our troops: “what we are doing is the same thing al qaida is doing under a different flag”
#517 Cool, I will know who to harras unmercifully this weekend!
Losertrade still has Healthcare 9% to pass in 2009.
#516 – I know it’s an insane Idea, the host even asked the guy do you think in this environment there is a lot of support for that idea, “probably not but…” LOL
Polaris,
I wonder if it would be the best of both worlds if the House Narrowly passed this crap and the Senate just tabled it like Crap and Trade.
1. We get Public votes on Record
2. Moonbat left goes civil war when Senate Rejects
Of course run the risk of the Senate surprise passing of the bill.
Marv, I hope Chet Edwards saw that.
517…the funniest one in that list was shown as undecided:
Dennis Kucinich (Ohio) He said he “will have trouble voting for anything other than robust public option.”
I did not see my blue dog Glenn Nye anywhere on the list, yes, no, or undecided. Strange.
#525 That’s what I expect to happen. There is no possible way that Pelosi’s bill sniffs daylight in the Senate. That POS is dead on arrival at the senate.
However, if it can be voted down in the house, I’d prefer that just to make sure it was dead.
If it passes the house, you can bet your bottom dollar that the Senate will pass a Vapour-Bill for Healthcare and then the Dems will reimpose Pelosi’s Bill in “reconciliation” with no GOP support.
-Polaris
I wish we had Rudy as President. I really do.
“White man’s greed runs a world in need”
That feels great!!!
http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/06/committee-confirms-comply-with-pelosi-care-or-go-to-jail/
Obey Nancy or go to jail.
In 1993-94 when the DEMS passed Clinton’s Tax Raises by one vote in the House, they were just as liberal as now.
The big difference was that Speaker Foley was a moderate form a GOP district, and Clinton was a much better politician than Obama.
GOP had 178 Seats that year also. It passed 218-217.
Foley lost in 1994
That Dem list has 16 firm nos….if half of the undecided voted no it would not pass…but that is a big IF
Wavering Senators will probably not be impressed by a 217-214 House vote though….
#532 Foley was a much better and more effective Speaker than Pelosi. it wasn’t enough to save him.
-Polaris
That list was horribly incomplete. No way there was 260 names there. But Tom Periello was listed as a yes, which given his district just went strong for Rs in the Va races, is quite surprising. I will believe that when I see it.
“I n 1993-94 when the DEMS passed Clinton’s Tax Raises by one vote in the House, they were just as liberal as now.”
I don’t agree. I think these people running the Dem caucus now are more than liberal.
Really Chekosi?…
Hoffman would have sealed the deal?…
You are really friggin dumb…
This is a very convenient way for you to then blame Palin since she was on the ballot in 23 and all…
It’s so easy to see how your mind works, as warped as it is…
You and I both know Hoffman wouldn’t have done crap to this whole deal…
Pelosi is happy to ram this through, regardless…
And you think 23 would have made an impact?…
No, it would not have stopped the vote but 10.2% unemployment will…
fool…
Periello did say he was “closer to voting yes”. Maybe he has another job lined up.
Classmate: Hasan said terror fight a war on Islam
AP
OH MY!
Jim Marshall (d- ga) – Is on TV says he voting against Mrs.piggy’s bill.
#528 Yup.
BTW Mrs.piggy taking chit all after noon on tv about breaking promises about the bill, from it’s contents to not simply posting final version for all to read for 72 hours. Also breaking… they are now trying to make even more changes to the bill to lure back a couple votes.
#541 KnightHawk
Marshall from GA and Taylor from MS might as well be Republicans.
Translation, Knight: Marshall knows his career’s over if he votes for this.
Jim Marshall is one of the more conservative members of the Democrat caucus, and in that district, he would be a fool to vote any other way. Gene Taylor in Miss is the same kind of Dem. There is not 40 of those kind of Democrats, but there may be enough scared straight ones to stop this and make Pelosi look like the fool she is.
#540 Classmate: Hasan said terror fight a war on Islam
AP
Can we start to draw conclusions yet?!
-Polaris
#540 He’s 1/2 right. There is a war. Its it Islam vs us and Israel. He’s wrong in that we are actually fighting, concerned or even prepared for it.
Anyone else concerned that the US might see terrorism ala what Israel has had to deal with the past many years?
Taylor maybe, Marv, but Marshall only talks the non-left-wing talk. He’s like almost other Liar Dogs in Congress. If he’s in trouble, he’ll back off what the leadership wants him to do. If he’s not, then he’s happy to follow them off a cliff.
Wes, Marshall and those pricks from TENN and Ark.
I hope the TENN State GOP has a sweep in 2010, so they can redistrict out those lying DEM Blue Dog Punks like Marshall and Tanner
Does anyone have up to date info on the status of the date/time of the Obamacare vote?
Tanner would seem to be harder, Jason, since an analysis of his record tends to indicate he is actually somewhat philosophically conservative.
New thread (Wes was 1st)
Wes, they vote Pelosi for Speaker though. How in the hell do these DEMS in the South get re-elected with Pelosi as Speaker?
You have to look at things from this perspective, Jason: Althoguh Pelosi has been the Dem leader since 2002, the Republicans held the speakership from then till January 2007. To keep their seats, the Liar Dogs voted with the GOP on a lot of salient issues, and GOP control of the House masked them from their more liberal tendencies. When Dems took the House in 2006, Bush was so unpopular the GOP coudl hardly expect to field strong candidates against them with an anti-GOP wave still surging. Now things are different. Obama is President. Pelosi is Speaker. The Dems are pushing through many legislative items not popular back home for the Liar Dogs. Some have already taken a running dive off a cliff for Pelosi. Others are equivocating. Regardless, watch a lot of them lose over the next couple of cycles.
543… not quite, but yeah I knew they would have to be given cover.
547 – Fairly concerned yes, at some point does the overseas contingency operations become a domestic contingency operation.
548 – Bingo.
“Tanner would seem to be harder” – You know what this makes me think about right?
#531 The Individual Mandate is the most onerous and Unconsitutional law every proposed in the history of the Republic!
For the first time EVER the federal government is FORCING you to buy a private good or service.
Normally we punish behavior that violated another citizens individual rights. However, this Individual Mandate punishes you for simply doing nothing! You are a criminal simply for living now! Why isnt the ACLU and other so-called defenders of civil rights crying out against this?
Not withstanding the fact that Individual Mandates for health insurance are costly failures (see MA, VT, and ME for examples in action), the implications on potential future government trampling of individual rights is almost endless.
This represents the largest transfer of sovernity from the individual to the state ever. It transfers the power to make fundamental decisions about the most basic elements of our lives from we the individual citizens to an elite group of unelected tecnocrats and arrogant politicians in Washington DC. Life and death decisions will now be subject to the whims of collective politics and the weakest and most vunerable among us will suffer the greatest.
This is nothing short of the undoing of the American Revolution and totally unapprotpriate for a free and independent citzenry.
ALL CITIZEN NEED TO RISE UP NOW AND CONTACT YOUR ELECTED REPRESENATIVE IN WASHINGTON DC AND TELL THEM “NO INDIVIDUAL MANDATE”!!!!
Geez knova…..i am going to have to take back what i said about you and i being seperated at birth brothers. I know that will crush you. You are just so damn wrong on this…..and your sarcasm makes you look like a fool.
You are wrong…..admit it…..deal with it…..move on.
(there i go with those damn ellipses i use too much according to you…lol)