MA: Patrick Leads By Double Digits
Suffolk University has a new poll out for the gubernatorial race in Massachusetts showing, despite being rather unpopular in the state, Deval Patrick still holds a double-digit lead in his bid for re-election.
GOVERNOR – MASSACHUSETTS (Suffolk)
Deval Patrick (D-inc) 36%
Tim Cahill (I) 26%
Christy Mihos (R) 20%Deval Patrick (D-inc) 38%
Tim Cahill (I) 26%
Christy Mihos (R) 15%GOVERNOR – MASSACHUSETTS – GOP PRIMARY (Suffolk)
Christy Mihos 33%
Charlie Baker 30%
This same poll had numbers from the Special Election in Massachusetts to replace Ted Kennedy.
US SENATE – MASSACHUSETTS (Suffolk)
Martha Coakley (D) 56%
Scott Brown (R) 27%Mike Capuano (D) 48%
Scott Brown (R) 29%Scott Brown (R) 33%
Alan Khazei (D) 30%Steve Pagliuca (D) 49%
Scott Brown (R) 27%US SENATE – MASSACHUSETTS – DEM PRIMARY (Suffolk)
Martha Coakley 44%
Steve Pagliuca 17%
Mike Capuano 16%
Alan Khazei 3%US SENATE – MASSACHUSETTS – GOP PRIMARY (Suffolk)
Scott Brown 45%
Jack Robinson 7%
This poll was done November 4-8 among 600 registered voters.
Did Corzine win by 9 points Suffolk?
Why even bother with polls from Massachusetts? I bet half the people there have no clue Ted Kennedy died let alone a special election to fill ‘his spot.’ A democrat will be elected in a landslide in both the governor’s spot as well as US Senator.
I think Cahill and Mihos should make a deal. Whomever is ahead in the RCP poll average two weeks before the general election will support the other.
To let an ass like Deval Patrick win with a third of the vote is a travesty.
“A democrat will be elected in a landslide in both the governor’s spot”
No way, Deval Patrick is a disaster. Even MA will elect a Republican Governor. Rommney, Weld, Celluci all won there. The problem is there is an independent and in a three way race Patrick will win.
Don’t be too sure, Jason. Corzine tried that same thing–and you saw how that turned out.
The only chance the GOP has in the MA Senate race–and this is so remote a chance as to be laughable–is for the Dems to cannibalize themselves in the primary and put a second-tier candidate up against the Republican.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-lurio/the-british-supreme-court_b_350125.html
More military PC:
Naval Academy Changed Color Guard to Appear More Diverse at World Series
Thursday, November 12, 2009
FNC
Naval Academy leaders are under fire after altering the composition of the military color guard at a World Series game last month so the group wouldn’t be made up only of white men.
The Navy Times and other media reported that two white midshipmen were removed from the performance in New York City and replaced with a Pakistani-American man and a white woman so the group would appear more diverse.
“Don’t be too sure, Jason. Corzine tried that same thing–and you saw how that turned out.”
Corzine tried a three-way. I am suggesting a two-way. You misunderstood my post.
cahill will fade-count on it
#8 Howard Dean
I wonder if the removal of the two who were white would justify an actionable discrimination charge. It would be interesting to find out if the officer who ordered their removal is a member of a minority.
P.C. is alive and well, courtesy of the U.S. navy. They probably make promotions in the same manner.
The GOP could run a black,transvestite,pro abortion,female in mass, and MAYBE finish a close second.
Shine a light on PC and it will go away. (eventually)
#13 D.QUIXOTE
We don’t have anybody like that, they’re all Democrats.
I’m not too sanguine on the GOP’s chances in MA either, DQ.
Personally, I don’t think we need MA. It will just tarnish the GOP brand.
Man, that thread below this one deteriorated fast while I was away, didn’t it?
My advice to any conservatives left in MA:
Get out now before the census, move to VA, and bring some congressional districts with you. MA is not worth saving.
Until the ’40s, Marv, Massachusetts was a GOP state. Until the ’70s, it was pretty split between the two. We see the dangers of going all Dem all the time on grand display in that state now.
#18 Wes,
Yep, some sort of regional conflict dispute thing.
Personally I don’t feel as hopeless about the GOP vote as Brandon. I think maybe up to 40% of them can be flipped, while in the future the chance of the GOP’s gaining a majority is a possibility–though not for at least 10-15 more years.
Those who leave mass generally take their liberal mindset with them, as can be seen in the dumbing down of the new hampshire electorate.
They crap their own messkits,leave for another state,and start all over again.
On an unrelated topic, Marv, have you heard of the Amazon Kindle or the Barnes and Noble Nook?
#20 Wes,
It will take a long time for the GOP to capture and rehabilitate MA.
#24 Wes
No, what is it?
Actually, DQ, that’s not wholly accurate. The six NH counties where most MA voters have settled–those along the border–are among the most GOP friendly. It is the counties farther north–Concord and the university towns–that have become solidly Dem. As Michael Barone said, New Hampshire became a Dem state not because of Massachusetts but because it became like Vermont.
Why does Vermont have a Republican governor?
They’re e-book readers, Marv. They’re about as big as a hardback book and as thick as a magazine. depending on what version you buy, they can hold anywhere from 1500 to 3500 books, magazines, or assorted other literary materials, and reading them is just like reading a paper book rather than a computer screen. I highly recommend them for people like me who love reading.
I don’t think I would like a kindle. To me, I’d rather have an actual book that I can carry around, not some electronic machine.
It’s a quirk of the state somewhat like Maine, Marv. Although Dems dominate local politics, there are enough sane people in the state to realize going full-bore Dem is unwise. Hence, the election of GOP Senators in Maine and the general dominance of the GOP in the Vermont governorship.
I’d normally agree, Brandon, but for space and portability, a Kindle or a Nook is a great thing. The Nook hasn’t actually hit the market yet, but Amazon has two version of the Kindle–the regular and the DX. I own both.
Fox Special Report and dinner time folks, see you later.
One potential advantage to both the Kindle and the Nook is that since the books people download on them have no physical presence, out-of-print books may be available on them. Books tend to go out of print because their space in warehouses increases business taxes. The Kindle and Nook could change that and make hard-to-find books easier to acquire. Besides, books on the Kindle–and probably the Nook–cost less than actual bound books.
Later, Marv.
Cook has put three more “vulnerable” Dem seats onto the “competitive” list.
ND-AL Earl Pomeroy
AZ-8 Gabrielle Giffords
IA-1 Bruce Braley
Two others were downgraded to lean Dem:
SC-5 John Spratt
AZ-5 Harry Mitchell
That is now 80 competitive Dem seats versus 26 rep seats.
In terms of lean/tossups, he has it 35-11.
Actually its 81-27 and 36-12. At first glance, I missed that he effectively has the parties swapping the seats of Castle and Melancon.
Not good for the Dems, Jay. If Pomeroy in particular falls, then the Dems are in for a long night next November.
The GOP needs to find a top-tier person to hold Castle’s seat. I wonder if any Du Ponts would be interested.
How is the count in NY23 going?
Wes-great point on the angle Republicans should take re latinos. The home country re dictatorial rule is good. What a unique angle. As a marketing guy, I see the potential
Even Kos is saying Rubio beats Meek.
I didn’t come up with it, Albert. Thank the Florida Republicans–specifically the Diaz-Balart brothers–for pointing it out.
A bLT would beat Meek. As I’ve said many times before, Crist did what he needed to do by announcing and driving all top-tier Dems out of the race. Now the GOP has a clear field to hold the seat. Meek will be gone at worst within a half houf of polls closing. He really has no base in the state outside the black gerrymandered districts. Even many latinos and probably a quarter of the Jews in the state would back the Republican over him.
“I don’t think I would like a kindle. To me, I’d rather have an actual book that I can carry around, not some electronic machine.”
I used to think like that, once you go to a good ebook reader, you don’t want the paperback anymore.
re stupek/abortion/healthcare H/T BJG
http://lifenews.com/nat5651.html
Stupak’s threats are hollow. He’ll roll over like the rest of the Lap Dogs if his amendment is stripped from the final bill.
Obama to play general, but not till after thanksgiving – gee can’t wait.
What did we ever do to deserve such an idiot as Obama as President?
Stupak stays in House bill if a fair vote is allowed. I suspect a fair vote the senate would put it in as well.
As to the senate. Harry reid is still writting the senate bill as I tuype. Yup its not been introduced yet and debate may start next Tuesday. So Harry is looking at ways to get more money. He may tax the wealthy +250K a year or may increase the cadillac healthcare tax.
Senator Grassley is wondering whether the healthcare bill can create a new class of criminals-the uninsured. The young and healthy for years have relied on the government for a fallback, in case they get sick and they have to pay up. You young slackers will either have to insure or pay a fine or maybe do time.
Here in Memphis the DA puts out bumper stickers that say “you do the crime you do the time”. Starting in 2013 every will need to make an annual visit to the post office and register their insurance card.
Stupak is doing what he’s doing for PR purposes. He’s trying to get on the good side of his consituents ahead of the coming bloodbath for his party.
People keep saying top tier dems would be a problem in Florida.
Only problem is there are no top tier Dems in this state. NONE of them, are a major player not even Sink.
Stupak’s threats are hollow. He’ll roll over like the rest of the Lap Dogs if his amendment is stripped from the final bill.
Comment by Diamond Jim
Piglosi knows that as well. Stupidpak is playing to the crowd, hoping to gain a few concessions on abortion, but in the end he’s another gelded lapdog like all the rest.
What about Boyd, Charles? Unlike Meek, he has a voting record that can appeal to Republicans and independents. Also, depsite her liberalism, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz would draw a large numbe rof Jewish voters out, and being a hardworking member of the House, she would at least have forced the GOP to commit many resources to the race.
Good point, DQ.
80% of americans are content with their current health insurance.
the other 20% ?
1. illegal immigrants
2. unemployed between jobs
3. uninsurable
4. young and healthy and don’t want to spend the money
5. very,very,rich and have no need for insurance
6. those that don’t fit into 1-5
and with our economy in the tank still the dems are trying to cram this down our throats.
the public does not want it
the main thing that would reduce costs- tort reform, the dems won’t touch it cause trial attorneys are their biggest contributors
what ever happened to ” we the people ” ???
what ever happened to we the people ???
where i live, there is a catholic run ( God bless Catholic Charities ) heath clinic for those that have no insurance
you can get an initial dr visit for $15 with follow up visit at $5
dental cleaning for $15 follow up $5
marriage counseling $5
psychiatric counseling $5
mental health social worker therapy $ 5
people with NO INSURANCE can get better less expensive carfe there than many with insurance
Governments hate private charity. It lessens their hold on people.
In a socialist system the loser still wins if
he is part of the power structure.
Next stop Citigroup? New Govt run health care
Czar? Oh well take a break first? BTW she
looks like carla katz. freaky
http://www.politickernj.com/wallye/34945/warning-post-not-suitable-well-anyone
I hate to disagree about Stupak but moderate democrats were begging for a reason to dig Pelosicare. Not allowing a vote on Stupak or voting it down was a perfect excuse to ditch Obamacare.
I might add that many liberal women threaten to vote against Obamacare with Stupak in there. They all voted for it. No I believe that the hispanics and women will roll over for Stupak if the public option is in there. Now without a public option with all the money going to insurance companies-the left will ditch Obamacare.
Agreed, Rdel.
Bill Kristol said tonight on the All-Star panel that he is more convinced now than ever that Obamacare will die a slow death in the Senate. The bad jobs number, among other factors, is putting pressure on centrist Dems to lay low.
Katie Couric apparently had low self-esteem, hahahaha.
I tend to agree with Kristol, Marv.
#65 Wes,
Actually, Kristol tends to agree with you and me. We’ve been saying that for several days now.
True enough. It’s just good to have a semi-famous talking head spouting the same conclusion we’ve come to.
Any updates on NY-23?
Hoffman ahead by 4 votes.
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Kidding.
Funny, Knight. I realize it’s unlikely Hoffman can win. Still, his chances now are better than they were on Election Night.
If anyone besides Coakley wins the nomination, Republicans have a chance of at least closing in on single digits if Scott Brown runs a good campaign.
A lot of ifs there, Bill.
FOX: Hasan ‘Soldier of Allah’
“Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan called himself a “soldier of Allah” on business cards found in his apartment after the shooting rampage at Fort Hood in which he is accused of murdering 13 people.”
As to the slow death of Obamacare. Its by amendment.
1st strip from the bill the criminal penalties and fines for employees who choose not to get insurance. lets be serious in an up or down vote who will send a 23 year old slacker to jail for not buying insurance??
2nd Stupak-either way you lose votes on this bill.
3rd Illegal immigrants. How many will vote that illegals can buy insurance through the public option or thru the health insurance exchanges? That’s big vote loser in the house
4th go down the list of taxes. Who will vote to tax Grandma’s artificial hip? How about the wheelchair of the disabled vet?
5th how about cadillac insurance plans? Who will vote to make the unions unhappy?
6th-public option-yes or no -up and down.
7th Fines & penalties for employers? Up or down? Whose for taxing employers $750 per employee in this job market?
If Reid does not allow 50 amendments to be voted on you slow walk it or fillbuster.
You get enough amendments passed and the CBO estimates do not work. Either way the thing dies
73 – That news was out there Friday morning, but again, no jumping to conclusions about glaring red flags!
No islamofascist connections to be seen here, people! None at all!
I love that “accused” meme. We know he did it. The media just need to refer tyo him as the Fort Hood Shooter and be done with it.
The guys who have said for months now that Obamacare is dead are myself and Eph; but Eph seems to have gone underground.
H.C. “reform” of some sort will pass.
We’ll see, DQ.
Reid doen not have 60 and will not get 50 to cram this through in this climate. The Dems can sense shifting powers and they realize if they create the precedent of cramming major issues through, they will be screwed when the tables are turned. Furthermore, there are about 15 to 20 dem senators who want healthcare to pass but not by a bare simple majority. This turkey is dead; I do agree some form of “healthcare” will pass but it will be so watered down, that the left will be left pissed off.
When a communist like Robert Reich says taxes next year could be awful, this turkey of a bill with taxes on small business and mandates is leprosy to a lot of senators. These guys do not need handouts from Obama, Pelosi and Reid.
#78 pitchaboy
Actually, MDefl and I purchased Eph’s Christian Family Poll organization and we then decided to retain him as a special advisor. We sent him out on an assignment, but have since lost track of him. Even his sources can’t find him. The trouble started when we caught him inflating his expense claims.
Pitchaboy
so true as eph & you were the steady freddies. Can we call Eph steady??
I need to focus on this Hasan guy. What a strange story. Apparently he got on army bases even those most folks would not board planes with him
but Eph seems to have gone underground.
Comment by pitchaboy
eph is on a special mission under deep cover
he has to be very careful as enemy forces have targeted him
Can we call Eph steady?? -TD
Can we call Chekote meek ?
# 85 Tim V
Our sources have been unable to confirm that, Tim.
jodi miller
Well, if Obamacare dies, it will be the best Christmas gift I ever received since the year I got an official Red Ryder carbine-action 200-shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and the thing that tells time.
If it fails, it would effectively lame duck obammer, hence they can’t let it fail.
“religion of peace” Iranian style.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/12/feds-move-to-seize-4-mosq_0_n_356080.html
Feds size property in NYC
Our sources have been unable to confirm that, Tim.
Comment by Marv
that is why it is called DEEP COVER
can you say “hypocrisy”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29456.html
GOP plan covers elective abortion says Politico
sorry, it is the rnc. looks like a hit piece from politico
88- funny stuff DQ. loved it !
#97 Tim V.
Our sources are in deep cover too, that’s why EPH’s disappearance is so troubling.
Hawaii to lay off 650 state workers by year’s end
AP
Hey everyone
Ive been hearing, with regards to Hasan, that if tried in a military court and found guilty, his death penalty papers will have to be signed by Obama, who will refuse. So instead of the proper punishment, execution, he will be able to live in club fed or whatever prison for the rest of his life.
MA: Patrick Leads By Double Digits Shocking.Blogging about MA reminds me of the blogger who used to blog on POlipundant about NJ politics. Waste of time
Carrie Prejean turned out to be a total flake. What is it about the women that some many conservatives uphold as role models? Palin. Flake that quit her job midway through her first term. Bachmann. Total loon. And now Prejean. Where is Margaret Thatcher when you need her??????
CNN’s Larry King: Al Gore Discusses Sarah Palin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4GNtPGgtxM
#54, Again NO.
Nobody knows who Schultz is and she’s non-starter in North Florida.
And Boyd went on local talk radio here, when asked about having a problem with the penalty clause of the health care bill, he neatly side-stepped answering.
Boyd does not poll well outside of Leon county to boot.
97…which department…Bureau of Vital Statistics?
I was beginning to see information yesterday regarding NY23. Until this morning the last thing I read was that Hoffman was down 2000 with 10,000 still to be counted. I read on here this morning that he is ahead by 4…was that a joke?
Sharon,
I have not seen anything and based on my experience, I doubt that Hoffman has pulled ahead. Most of the absentee ballots would have been filed before Hoffman’s surge is historical norms held and if that was not the case, I highy doubt would have conceded so soon.
However, you never know. Stranger things have happened.
sharon what part of “kidding” didn’t you get?
Yes he trails by ~3000, do not get your hopes up.
hi folks
even if FL NC NV IN OH VA are flipping back that wouldnt be enough-only 265EV!!
I think with obama its impossible that IA NH NM CO are flip red again
Britain’s Ministry of Defence website has an article that perfectly illustrates what is wrong with the rules of engagement in Afghanistan. A British sniper spotted what he believed was a Taliban spotter who was directing fire on the sniper’s fellow soldiers, and instead of killing the spotter, he fired a warning shot:
Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2009/11/whats_wrong_with_the_rules_of.php#ixzz0WjvMHRVT
Benny,
It I’d with great sadness that I agree with you.
Does anyone know when the next electoral vote realignment happens?
Benny you must also account for 2010 census changing the calculus a bit.
TX likely to gain 3
FL likely to gain 2
AZ, CA, Ga, NV, UT could each get 1
IL,IA,LA,MA,MO,PA could each lose 1
NY,OH likely to each lose 2
268D vs 270R
These are just some guestimations on population trends, I’m sure ACORN will find a way count as many people as they need to try and prevent this, dead or alive.
110 – In time for 2012.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/calculator.html
( can pluck in and adjust state numbers with your own guestimations)
KnightHawk
I did it!!
wit the changes it is 265R 273D
i am sorry for that
With the old numbers it is
284EV-D
254EV-R
your numbers are wrong
take a look
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012
Link to someone else’s prognostications based on population data as of the close of 2008.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/Census10/HouseAndElectors.phtml
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4u9lzZ9sqJk/SaX8muZIs9I/AAAAAAAABNw/wEo2LFKY6F0/s1600-h/electoral.college.map.2012.v2.1.gif
Numbers are not wrong (don’t think), they account for the change.
Benny nobody knows what the census is going to come out exactly, so use what ever numbers you like, the bottom line is it’s highly likely R states gets an extra couple votes if not more.
Even if your numbers would be right it would be
278EV-D
260EV-R
Right I also said that
but not enough!!!!
we need CO!!!
No it would not, use the calculator I linked, pluck in your state, and pick a winner. Give FL NC NV IN OH VA back to R.
120 what are you talking about?
its not enough
do it yourself and you will see
I’m not surprised about the Naval Academy color guard. Typical of the leadership. They have been touting diversity for the last couple years. Just surprised that they put in a pakistani instead of an african-american. I guess they need more muslims in the Navy.
The last superindendant changed the words of the Alma Mater “Navy Blue and Gold” to be gender neutral. Let’s just say that nobody sings the new version.
Benny I just did it twice the numbers work out as posted in 111, you must not be updating the state vote values.
Sorry with your numbers the dems leading
with the new wikipedias numbers(see my link)
it is 273EV-R 265EV-D without CO
Using what I said in #111 which is actually on the pessimistic side of things.
AL – 9
AK – 3
AZ – 11
AR – 6
FL – 29
GA – 16
ID – 4
IN – 11
KS – 6
KY – 8
LA – 8
MS – 6
MO – 10
MT – 3
NB – 5
NV – 6
NC – 15
ND – 3
OH – 18
OK – 7
SC – 8
SD – 3
TN – 11
TX – 37
UT – 6
VA – 13
WV – 5
WY – 3
—-
270 R
CA – 56
CO – 9
CT – 7
DE – 3
DC – 3
HI – 4
IL – 20
IA – 6
ME – 4
MD – 10
MA – 11
MI – 17
MN – 10
NH – 4
NJ – 15
NM – 5
NY – 29
OR – 7
PA – 20
RI – 4
VT – 3
WA – 11
WI – 10
—
268 D
ok I was wrong sorry!!!
but it is very close
so we defenetily nee all these states:
OH
FL
IN
NC
NE
VA
MO
NV
I am afraid with NV but maybe Tina can tell us more to that-her knowing about NV NM CO is Hillarious
Yes we definitely need those listed states if my numbers for how the census falls out are correct. If you look at
this prediction map though it’s an even better picture for the GOP – who knows how exactly the census will work out though.
NV is doable, CO will be a tough fight but not impossible, NM will be tough as well – Mostly depends on what things look like come 2012, hard to say now as things could change drastically in 3 years – though I doubt for the better.