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NY: Giuliani Within 3% Of CuomoI wasn’t expecting this poll out this afternoon from Scott Rasmussen as it was not mentioned in his email today. GOVERNOR – NEW YORK (Siena) This poll was done November 17th among 500 likely voters.
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Interesting how they put these guys in these polls, when they have absolutely no idea if they’re even running, or not. Makes me wonder who’s paying for the polls.
Well, it could be one of two things, Tim:
1) The candidates are seeing if it would really be worth their time to run.
2) The parties are trying to lure them into the race.
Ras is generally among the best pollsters in the country, so I’d say this is probably an accurate reflection of where the potential race rests at the moment.
Palin on Hannity for the whole hour
Wes,
Ras earned some cred back with the NJ polling. All the left’s pollsters were completely wrong.
Just say NO to Obamacare!
As were you, I might add, Tommy.
Good to know you’ve finally come over to the right way of thinking, Trolletta.
I’ve always thought the right way, Wes. And I’m sure we are miles apart! LOL
You’re the one who said to say no to Obamacare. That’s the right thing to say, even if you meant only facetiously.
By the way, Trolletta, you should have seen what I said about the BeJohnGalt.com site a few days ago. I’m sur emy characterization of the majority of the people who frequent that site would have warmed your socialist heart.
Never heard of BeJohnGalt.com .. but “good to know you’ve finally come over to the right way of thinking” !! LOL
As for Obamacare, its single payer or bust, boys.
Obamacare is an abomination and a sell out to the insurance companies. It makes ZERO sense!
Obamacare is the worst travesty yet attempted by our woefully incompetent President–and when you consider it has competition from cap and trade, stimulus, the location of the 9/11 hijackers’ trial, and EFCA, that’s saying something.
Wes, did you see the two Obamacare polls I cited at the end of the last thread??
Yes, Phil. With Dems, it’s see cliff; run off the side of cliff.
That both PPP and Zogny are far-left pollsters should give the dems pause.
It should Wes but I am starting to firmly believe they are so incapsulated in their liberal cacoon that they don’t have a clue. They don’t read or talk to anyone outside their zone. Busy telling each other that everyone really thinks the way they do ideologically. After all, to their way of thinking they won the last election so a majority must agree with them.
A case of being insulated against reality. Well, poll numbers don’t lie. Yes, off a cliff they go.
The Dems haven’t quite figured out 2006 and 2008 turned out as they did because of the anti-Bush factor. Hence the overreach–and the backlash.
Palin with Mark Levin:
http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2009/11/governor-palin-on-mark-levin-show.html
Single payer or bust huh? I think the commune is calling, better head back. They ar handing out the 8 grains of rice for you guys today.
She infrequently comes on to this site to preach socialism, 2012. She’s harmless though. At least she’s not quite so annoying as CCCP or Alan.
#21
2012NSE , an absolutely brilliant post. Thank you for your contribution.
It was brilliant, Trolletta. It encapsulates your worldview perfectly.
You guys know my world view? this is really creepy
Socialism is a great thing, it is a shame entrepreneurs and overachievers have to ruin everything for us lazy folk. Really all i want is nice block housing, long waits for medical services, free meals, and shared misery. Is that too much to ask for
No, and it looks like you shall have it.
We know only what you post on here, Trolletta–which is socialist drivel.
2012NSE , how old are you, 12?
BTW, Reid’s bill today is 2074 pages.
Transfers 600 billion from those who didn’t vote for Barack Obama to people that did. Nothing to see here. Ho Hum. Just pass the bill. Harry Reid says it’s wonderful. Well, that’s good enough for me.
I’m liking this 2012 versus Trolletta battle. Libertarianism vs socialism.
Apparently it’s not good enough for the voters in Nevada though, Phil.
Apparently it’s not good enough for the voters in Nevada though, Phil.
Well, as of now, I’d say Harry Reid is in deep doo doo in Nevada, but I believe this moron is too dense to know it.
Wes,
Maybe I missed it but I don’t see anything in 2012nse’s posts about libertarianism .. just juvenile tactics. If I want that, I can go talk to my 9 year old son.
And if you really had followed my posts, I’ve been posting here for almost two years .. you’d know I’m not Socialist.
What are the odds, Phil?
Then what exactly are you, Trolletta?
Odd enough not to buy into a stupid idea. How about you, only 12 year olds are idealistic enough to believe socialism will work.
Why is Hannity and others interviewers so fascinated about the story of Palin’s father trying to hand her moose eyeballs?
I guess trolletta hasn’t been around enough to read all the libertarian things I say Wes. Probably to busy taking lessons in economics from the 9 year old.
I too found that story a little creepy, Chek.
Good point, 2012.
I’m curious, Chek. Why don’t you identify yourself as a libertarian?
I’m a pragmatist, Wes. Government has a role to play, and there are enough checks and balances to ensure that we won’t turn into a tyranny.
Libertarianism is fine for a small agrarian society .. it can not succeed in today’s 21th century world.
#43
Actually, I consider myself a conservative.
That’s an interesting self-definition, Chek.
#46
Why? Government has a role. I just want a limited federal government.
Pragmatist? You call single-payer health care pragmatic?
Well, your views on many issues mirror mine almost exactly, yet I consider myself a libertarian. I agree government has a role in certain things, but there are many more things it should just stay away from.
Here it is. OBAMACARE
http://republican.senate.gov/healthcare/
44 an why is that? The governments place is to protect the people, but not to “protect” them from themselves. You cannot have the ability to succeed if you are not granted the chance to fail.
All right. That was weird.
Palin was able to decide to have Trig. Yet, she wants to take the right of other women to also decide for themselves away. She can talk all she wants about how she can understand why I woman would consider ending a pregnancy. But her empathy is worthless in light of her policy position.
For some reason when I just tried to post, it kept saying I was making duplicate comments. Once I changed names though, it let me post. Strange.
Wes,
To me conservative means strong defense, limited government and individual freedom.
I agree that is an interesting definition for chek, she probably doesn’t identify with the libertarian party, since they are pretty foolish and tend to concentrate on silly policies while ignoring the important ones.
I am a fiscal conservative and a socially I don’t give a crap what others do. I don’t think a government safety net is a good idea, if people don’t want to be responsible, let em burn.
To be fair to Palin, Chek, as Governor of Alaska, she did nothing to inhibit abortions.
#54
It happens to me a lot too.
I agree with you, Chek, but definitionally conservatism has also come to be identified with social conservatism–which you, 2012, and I do not seem to care for very much or at all.
#57
Because as a governor she can’t thanks to Roe v. Wade. But her stance is to ban all abortions except for the life of the mother. Pretty radical. Even for a pro-lifer.
Wes,
Single payer is the only option that will work. The market system has failed when it comes to healthcare, its time to take action.
I won’t rehash all the problems. I haven’t heard any solutions from the market based crowd, just scare tactics. That tells me that they have no solutions.
Like I said, sometimes Govt needs to get involved. And this is one of those times.
To all:
If you don’t agree, that’s fine. We can have a discussion. If you’d rather call me names, don’t expect a response.
Well, 2012, I’m a registered Libertarian, but I’ve never once voted for a Libertarian candidate. They think the GWOT and securing the borders are unnecessary endeavors while legalizing drugs–admittedly a worthwhile cause–should be their paramount issue. Hence, I can’t support their candidates.
#59
True. But we need to reclaim the term.
If the current health care system is so bad, Chek, then why do so many Canadians cross the border to get health care here? I used to live near Detroit and saw this kind of thing all the time.
Single payer is the only option that will work. The market system has failed when it comes to healthcare, its time to take action.
If you think the free market has failed, go to a single payer country and wait six months for an MRI to determine whether you have cancer. As a matter of fact, we are starting to already get a taste of the public option with the new guidelines regarding mammograms.
The Libertarian Party is one of the worst-marketed political organizations in the country. Only the GWB White House really competed with the Libertarians on that front.
Better yet Trolleta, maybe you can die from hitting your head hard because there is no air lift system and the nearest trauma center is hours drive away like it happened to Natasha Richardson. Americans have no idea how good they have it. Never have. But the rest of the world knows it and that’s why millions around the world do whatever they can to come to this wonderful country.
Giuliani should run. In a Republican year he could beat even Cuomo.
Trolleta, what makes you think it will work? The USA is on the front line for developing new technologies because it is profitable. Other countries leach off the US for medical technology. Single payer has no place in a capitalist society, and a government monopoly will kill new innovations. Look at the people that come from Canada to get treatment here.
Single payer = complacency. Complacency = stagnant progress. IF the USA turns into a single payer nation, the whole world will suffer. Besides, I do not want the government making decisions about my personal health. To really fix the system, the complacency of the current one must be shown to the consumers. Look at plastic surgeries, they dropped in cost because people actually pay for them. Make the patient a consumer, and prices will fall but innovation will remain.
I would love to stay and debate, but I need to leave for about an hour. I will return.
Hey, Chek, a buddy of mine and I will be starting a blog in the next few weeks. Once we get it up and running, would you like to be a contributor?
Agreed, Jason.
By the way, Trolletta, there was no namecalling but only substantive policy disagreements in each response to your position.
Adios, 2012.
#70
Would love to.
Thanks, Chek.
This Bill is total control of your health care.
No options , everything is in their control.
absolutely sickening. There is an Indian tribal
exemption I found. I gotta find some indian ancestors
“Single payer is the only option that will work. The market system has failed when it comes to healthcare, its time to take action”
Troletta, go back to Daily Kos and get more talking points, that one is old.
Single doesn’t work, it’s been tried, the Canadian system sucks, sick people in Canada would flock to the US if they all could. And in any event the market system has produced the best healthcare in the world, that’s why people who are able come from all parts of the world to be treated here. Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, MD Anderson, Sloan Kettering, Johns Hopkins, you name it.
So we don’t need socialized medicine or single payer which is just a Democratic power grab to create a huge bureaucracy they can control. It has become clear by the polls that people understand Democrats are not interested in expanding health care coverage to the relatively small percentage that need it, they are just interested in the politics.
I’m a descendant of one Indian tribe and one semi-tribe, Am. Maybe I’ll be covered under it.
Palin won’t call Obama a socialist. RINO!
Chek – classic scare tactics. You know your statistics are misleading.
nse, Jason:
This is the USA, this is not Canada. We have the best healthcare professionals and the best healthcare facilities in the world. Unfortunately, not all Americans have access to this system.
People cross the Canadian border to get healthcare here because they are rich and can pay for it. If you are an average Joe, then you are out of luck.
We can build a system that is the best single payer system in the world. Dr salaries should be very competitive, there should be an R&D budget, and we need high standards. Lets see where other single payer systems have come up short and learn from their mistakes.
Once again here is the full Bill
http://republican.senate.gov/healthcare/
77 ok Jason, we’ll have it your way. Average hard working people who lose their jobs should go bankrupt in the event that they come down with cancer?
Whoa, Trolletta! So you’re saying people will be WILLING TO PAY MORE TO GET BETTER CARE THAN THEY CAN GET IN SOCIALIZED COUNTRIES!!!! Thanks for making our polnt for us. I love when the opposition unwittingly completely concedes the debate.
Americans reject single payer by a huge margin – hence backdoor attempts to bring it about – government option in the name of “competition” LOL
My Wife had cancer at this time last year, Trolletta. We are not bankrupt but are in fact very well off–better off than We wer ebefore She became sick. If people prepare for such things, then they need not lead to financial meltdowns.
Chek – classic scare tactics. You know your statistics are misleading.
Not at all. I watched my mother die because of not getting prompt and proper care. I was trying to get her into a private clinic so she could get treated but she died before I could. So don’t talk to me about scare tactics. You are talking about turning over your healthcare to the same people who can’t even count the number of jobs they created.
Let’s not forget, Chek, they also can’t count the number of congressional districts in the nation either.
OMG, Hannity is still talking about Ayers and Wright.
83? huh ..
I said people will be willing to come to the US and access our superior professionals/facilities. Unfortunately, only rich people have this option.
That was not a point about market-based system vs socialized system. IT was a point about our professionals/facilities vs their professionals/facilites. I know you are eager to make a point, but please try to read my posts before screaming like a maniac about something that I never wrote.
I’ve heard broken records with less repetition than Hannity, Chek.
Trolletta, I’m sure every Canadian car I saw in the Detroit-area hospitals was owned by someone who made a few million a year.
The new mammogram guidelines are just a taste of the rationing to come. Thank God that Americans are not going along.
#90
AMEN!
I agree, Chek.
86 I’m sorry to hear about your mother, that is very sad and shouldn’t have happened.
I can tell you all about Obama’s mother and her story. There are plenty of similar horror stories about people dying due to the problems in our existing market based system too.
I stand by my point .. just because a single payer system came up short in another country doesn’t mean that its a failure. Why not improve it by building in checks and balances to ensure that we avoid these kinds of horror stories?
Limbaugh is more listenable than Hannity, but I swear the next time I hear him say “orifice” for “office” or pronounce “schedule” as “shedule,” I’m going to shoot my radio.
Insanity=trying the same thing repeatedly while expecting a different result. The argument you’re trying to make fits that perfectly, Trolletta.
Socialism has never succeeded anywhere it’s been tried. There’s no reason to believe it will work here.
Testing, testing…
Oh, good! I can use my usual name again now.
Jay,
No one is saying that we need to create an identical system as what they have in England or Canada.
We create our own flavor of single-payer which takes a look at the shortcomings of existing single-payer systems and improves on them. Why is that so hard to understand?
It’s not going to happen, Trolletta. I understand what you’re saying, but it’s not practical.
85 great to hear Jay. You must have been insured, right? Or did you have to pay out of pocket?
102 ok I respect that Wes. That’s exactly how I feel about Libertarianism by the way
Actually We used an MSA I began when We started dating.
By the way, Trolletta, you probably already figured it out, but just to clear up any confusion, I’m Jay.
I can tell you all about Obama’s mother and her story.
From Wiki:
In late 1994, Dunham was living and working in Indonesia. One night, during dinner at a friend’s house in Jakarta, she experienced stomach pain. A visit to a local physician misdiagnosed her symptoms as indigestion. Dunham returned to the United States in early 1995 and was examined at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York City and diagnosed with uterine cancer. By this time, the cancer had spread to her ovaries. She moved back to Hawaii to live near her widowed mother and died on November 7, 1995, at the age of 52.
Sounds like the reason Obama’s mother died was because she lived in countries that didn’t have the technology to make a proper asnd timely diagnosis. You know, it is really deceitful for Obama to pretend that it was in insurance’s fault. Also, Obama’s grandmother was a Vice President of a bank. Not exactly poor. I don’t know why he wants to pretend that he came from a poor background. His father was among an elite group of students sent to the US to study. Again, why this pretense of being poor?
Wait, Jay=Wes?
Wow an MSA to treat cancer? You were on the ball, Wes.
I would be willing to bet that 99.999% of MSA’s wouldn’t come close.
Unfotunately, most people would not be prepared if they found themselves in a situation such as yours. So what do we do about it? Let them die? Let them go bankrupt? Or have a system in place where they can maintain their health and return to be productive members of society?
Libertarianism though is the ideal form of government, Trolletta. One of the most prosperous times in US history was the period from 1921 to 1929 when Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge made the government almost wholly laissez faire–prohibition being the largly unenforced expection. It was not till Hoover and Roosevelt meddled in unnecssary ways follwing the 1929 crash the economy went completely into the doldrums.
Is anyone watching Palin on Hannity?
I’m watching.
Brandon
What do you think so far?
The point of the MSA was to pay for treatment for thing slike that, Trolletta. I never said Jennifer’s cancer was extremely advanced. It was caught early on, and treatment began quickly. That’s why She’s still alive and cancer-free for nearly a year.
Funny things I heard today:
Dennis Miller – If the turbin doesn’t fit, you must acquit.
Referring to KSM.
Wes
In 1929 it was a combination of Hoover-Smoot Hawley(tariff laws that shut down world trade) and the Fed that caused the great depression.
Small government did not.
That is funny, Tina. I’m guesisng he said that on O’Reilly?
She is doing very well – her best interview yet. Grand slam!!!!!
High ratings, just like she propelled Oprah, who was fair I thought,.
I never said Jennifer’s cancer was extremely advanced.
Thank God, they were able to catch it early.
I really hated the part where Hannity tried to goad her into calling Obama a socialist. Then again, I don’t like Hannity to begin with. She’s done an alright job. No matter how many times I listen to her, there still seems to be some type of disconnect. I just can’t envision her being POTUS. Sorry, I just can’t.
Yes, he said it on BOR-Bill O’Rino.
I didn’t give details, Rdel, but wasn’t that pretty much the point I made?
Second funny thing, a chainsmoker is going to be responsible for National Health Policy.
(I think my local radio host).
I’m of course glad of it too, Chek. In a socialist system, I’m sure it would have gone undiagnosed till it was too late.
I really would like for Palin to go on Meet the Press, or at least Chris Wallace. She needs to show that she is not afraid.
Chek- I will never defend Obama and his claim of being poor.
As for his mother, wasn’t it all about pre-existing conditions? I agree that insurance companies are not to blame. And that’s exactly the problem. Insurance companies are in the business of making money. They shouldn’t have to cover people with pre-existing conditions.
So what then? What should govt do? Let these people die? Let them go bankrupt?
Living in Illinois, I could not believe a neophyte Obama could ever be POTUS either.
Trolletta is ALAN folks.
That is the crux of the problem, Trolletta. Mandatory treatment laws are things I’m in favor of. People receiving treatment should have to find a way to repay the hospitals though.
Has the Obumbler decided on Afghanistan yet?
Anybody notice the resemblence of KSM to
Ron Jeremy. They could be brothers!
Wes,
Early detection is key .. that’s why I was so mad to hear about the new mammogram recommendations.
Well, all it’s been fun. I’m going to spend time with my Wife now. You all have fun.
#120
She talks so fast and her sentence structure is so unusual it feels like a blizzard. Still lacks specifics. Lot of platitudes. “Government on the side of the people” what the hell does that mean?
It does not matter who runs in 2012, Obama will lose handily as White Voters are already dumping the DEMS.
Unemployment will never go back to single digits as along as we have a Socialist President.
Wes,
But costs are sky high. People are uninsured through no fault of their own. If something unforunate happens to them, they can easily go bankrupt in trying to pay back the hospital.
The patient goes bankrupt, the hospital does not get paid. Is that a winning system?
Felix, Hillary will win in 2012!
night Wes
Uh,um, uh, I have no clue to be President, but uh, um, uh, where’s my Vice Dummy.
I’ll agree that Hannity is total waste of space. However, we owe him a lot of gratitude for exposing Wright.
The Obumbler is the greatest job destroyer we have ever seen. Rubini is warning that the worst is yet to come.
Anyway, good night and shout out to the HHRs.
Check it out they are brothers
http://www.bobfromaccounting.com/2_26/ronjeremy.html
So what then? What should govt do? Let these people die? Let them go bankrupt?
The reason why insurance companies don’t cover pre-existing conditions immediately is because people would wait until they got sick. If you could wait until you got into a wreck before buying car insurance, how long do you think auto insurance companies would be around? As far as making a profit, I see nothing wrong with that. Food producers make a profit and we need food more than health care. Should the government get in the business of food production???? Look. There is nothing I can say for you to understand just how good Americans have it. Is something you need to learn on your own.
Take care.
OMG, still talking about Wright. And Palin is being a total coward for not pinning the fault of not using Wright where it belongs: John McCain.
Time for Top Chef
ok Chek – you’re not reading my posts I take it. I already said that insurance companies should not cover people w/ pre-existing conditions.
Insurance companies are in business to make a profit. nothing wrong with that.
My question was , what should govt do when these people have been denied coverage?????
4am comes early. Good night.
Trolletta
What are you concerned about? That people go bankrupt? That people won’t get treated? What exactly do you see as problems?
Baby crying .. chek, we’ll have to continue this. night
I am back now, shame Trolletta just left, i was hunkering down for some real debating. The point i was going to make was this:
“We have the best healthcare professionals and the best healthcare facilities in the world.”
We have the best because people in the business make money, because the government is not mandating what they get paid.
“We create our own flavor of single-payer which takes a look at the shortcomings of existing single-payer systems and improves on them. Why is that so hard to understand?”
Because it does not work in a realistic word. Single payer means government control, pure and simple. There isn’t a flavor when elected politicians get free reign over life and death HC choices.
I have a lot more to say, but no real point since she left.
2012
I want to know specifically what she is concerned about.
“We can build a system that is the best single payer system in the world. Dr salaries should be very competitive, there should be an R&D budget, and we need high standards. Lets see where other single payer systems have come up short and learn from their mistakes.”
Ha,ha,ha. Yeah, let’s tear down the best system and replace it with one that didn’t work elsewhere but “can be fixed”.
From another thread:
Jason wrote:
As far as I know the last 6 Republican nominees were John McCain, George W. Bush, Bob Dole, GHWB and Ronald Reagan.
Which one of those was nominated by Dobson?
All of them paid their respect to Dobson privately and publicly by appearing before the “Values Voters” Summit. Is there anything more idiotic than to suggest that just because people don’t subscribe to Dobson’s legislative agenda have no values? What a bunch of arrogant, santimonious jackasses.
I don’t think Troletta is cuckoo-clock drive by Alan. He stayed to long. But definitely a KOS bot sent out to sell single payer snake oil.
Trolletta doesn’t understand that innovation and quality service comes from people’s desire to earn a good living.
2012
I might add that our drug companies have created more miracle drugs then all the other companies around the world combined. What would those health stats around the world look like without drugs created in the USA? What would those health stats around the world look like without medical machines-or artificial joints developed in the USA?
The rest of the world sucks its healthcare off the drug companies of the USA. They either refuse to acknowledge our patent laws or force us to sell drugs to them at a discount.
An African country runs its economy into the ground through brutal civil wars, corrupt government activity and socialist economies then it screams the awful American drug companies are denying us medicine we need to save ourselves.
If we could re-do “Its a wonderful live” and have Clarance do away with our of American Wonder drugs. What would the world look like? Seen any Canadian wonder drugs likely? Oh Yes Pencillian was developed in the UK-oops prior to socialized medicine.
Single Payer, the goal of Obamacare, will make all this eventually go away.
“All of them paid their respect to Dobson privately”
So private that you were there?
But anyway, you made my point, none of these Presidents were “taken over by Dobson” and none of them said people who don’t subscribe to Dobson have no values. You are making a lot of stuff up to prove a point that doesn’t exist in the first place. I don’t subscribe to Dobson but I don’t care if anyone attends Values Voters Summits.
“Single Payer, the goal of Obamacare, will make all this eventually go away.”
Not to worry, government laboratories will take over and all the Obama appointees will work diligently to produce the best drugs and procedures and protocols (when they are not engaged in partisan politics, of course).
I’ve said repeatedly that Rudy is uniquely positioned to win statewide in NY, and he can win big in 2010 when being a D is not a good thing.
Rudy can win big upstate and can hold his own in NYC.
157 You hit the nail on the head for me. For some reason the single payer supporters have this great idea that innovation will continue without incentive.
Interesting posts by Trolletta. I remember having a similar back-and-forth with her a few months ago. If I’m not mistaken, she’s really advocating a UK-style total government take over (true Socialized Medicine).
Certainly a nice discussion to have, but its unrealistic. We will not make such a big leap anytime soon. I do give her credit, she did here homework over the summer complete with doctors’ salaries and these so called checks/balances .. still, it aint happening.
The real problem IMO is costs. If we can bring costs down, then all problems with the current system can go away rather quietly.
The biggest “problem” with the current system is it’s not in the hands of power hungry politicians. It seems like trolletta wants socialized medicine for good reasons, but is lost with the political side effects.
BTW, Lindsey Graham made an excellent point about this KSM being tried in the US. Obama said that KSM must be tried on US soil because he was responsible for an attack on civilians in the US. The terrorists responsible for the Cole attack must be tried because they attacked the military abroad. So basically, terrorist are being given the incentive to attack civilians in the US because if they do, then they will get the same constitutional rights as any American. Totally sick.
#158
Jason
Stop building strawmen. I never said that any president “was taken over”. Dobson and his crowd are very influential in Republican politics. It is like saying that unions, or trial lawyers have no influence in the Dem party. Give it a rest. The people who invented litmus tests are the SoCons. Since Reagan no pro-choicer can be on a national ticket For either spot. You get all upset about people here applying litmus tests and yet you defend the inventors of the litmus tests.
As far a Rudy is concerned. If he wants to run to help New York, fine. But he shouldn’t lift a figer to help the GOP. Not after he was treated during the primary by the Dobson crowd.
Chekote,
Did you agree with Palin’s statements today that run contrary to Obama?
Palin: ‘Jewish Settlements Should Expand,’ Even In Palestinian Areas
Yes, I saw that and posted yesterday that she mishandled that question.
Is anything more stupid that BOR’s body language segment?
“Yes, I saw that and posted yesterday that she mishandled that question.”
She didn’t mishandle it. She had a giant Israeli flag above her governors desk in Alaska for her entire well short term as governor. She told them exactly what she thinks it wasn’t a mistake.
I wonder if Palin wouldn’t mind if we let the Russians have “settlements” in Alaska. Perhaps Wasilla. They can have her.
acroso,
I am a supporter of Israel. I really don’t see why Jews can’t live in Palestinian areas or even in a Palestinian state. Why should people – some Jewish populations have been in West Bank for thousands of years – be forced to move just because of their ethnicity? It smacks of ethnic cleansing. Some of the settlement that are expanding is because of growing families. But what Palin said is totally asinine. To suggest that Palestinians need to move out of the way because more Jews are going to move in the area is asinine. However, Obama was equally asinine is making the issue of the settlement a pre-condition for talks. He has since backed off. The talks are difficult enough, for Obama to complicate them was dumb. That’s what you get when you vote for an inexperienced celebrity.
this thread is a picture of the transformation of the hhr into the cr.
“I really don’t see why Jews can’t live in Palestinian areas or even in a Palestinian state.”
…maybe because the Palestinians don’t want them there and because they have no right to move them and steal their land!
Do you also think that Palestinians should be able to live in Israel?
Obama has not backed off. He has called on Israel to stop all settlements. They ignore him of course, and we continue to fund their military anyways.
maybe because the Palestinians don’t want them there and because they have no right to move them and steal their land!
Some of those Jewish populations have been there since the times of the Romans if not before. Why should they move? Because they are the WRONG ethnicity. Besides, arabs in that area started using the term Palestinian during the 20th century. Should we give our land back to the Indians?
Do you also think that Palestinians should be able to live in Israel?
Actually, about 5% of the population in Israel is Arab/Palestinian. Those who decided to stay instead of listening to Arab leaders who told them to evacuate now enjoy full Israeli citizenship.
Obama has not backed off. He has called on Israel to stop all settlements.
He has backed off from the silly idea to make it a pre-condition.
They ignore him of course, and we continue to fund their military anyways.
Why do you have so many issues with the military? Did you get kicked out the military for some reason?
TimV
What’s CR?
#61 How about we actually try a free market in health care before we decalre “it hasnt worked”!
With the massive amount of government intervention in the form of regulations at the state and federal level for insurance, providers, and hospitals this is hardly a “free market” which is the issue….
The most basic problems in the health care were caused by wage/price control during WW II creating a employer based insurance system which was then given tax preference in 1946….
The massive intrusion caused by the MediCare/MediCade programs further distorted the system with inefficencies and causing providers/insurance companies to be more responsive to government technocrats then patients….
Uncontrolled maddness by the trial lawyer has also caused great problems….
Then we have some states that have basically made private insurance all but illegal with all kinds of unneeded mandates and stupid policies like “community rating” pricing….
So you see, it isnt that the free market has failed – its simply that we havent had a free market for well over 60 years!
Finally, you demand 100% perfection from the free market which is possible on the planet earth!
You promise 100% perfection from the government which is a flat out lie!
The best possible outcome for the greatest number of people should be our goal and that is always provided by the free market!
“Some of those Jewish populations have been there since the times of the Romans if not before. Why should they move? Because they are the WRONG ethnicity. Besides, arabs in that area started using the term Palestinian during the 20th century. Should we give our land back to the Indians?”
We’re talking about NEW settlements not existing ones.
“Actually, about 5% of the population in Israel is Arab/Palestinian. Those who decided to stay instead of listening to Arab leaders who told them to evacuate now enjoy full Israeli citizenship.”
I knew that…
I was referring to noncitizens.
“He has backed off from the silly idea to make it a pre-condition.”
But he has still called for them to end new settlements and they keep doing it.
“Did you get kicked out the military for some reason?”
I’m talking about their military not ours, and no I’ve never been kicked out the military. heh
#88 Why not talk about Ayers and Wright – afterall they are frequent WH guest these days!
Certain funders give cash award prizes to Israelis willing to start new settlements in the West Bank.
Gambling with Conflict: How settlers control Israeli policy
acroso,
Bibi has agreed not to have new settlements and to limit the expansion to existing ones. In any case, I find it completely offensive to say that a group needs to get kicked out because they are the wrong ethnicity. Why can’t Jews live in Palestinian areas? Besides, the Palestinian regard the whole nation of Israel as illegitimate and occupying their lands. The only reason why Jews moved into the West Bank in the last few decades was because the Arabs attacked them and lost land. To the winner go the spoils.
You really need to get therapy regarding you obsession with “Them Jews”. Look deep into your heart and try to figure out why you feel they way you do.
#88 Why not talk about Ayers and Wright – afterall they are frequent WH guest these days!
There is absolutely no evidence that it is true. What next Wylie? The Birth Certificate.
Let me see, we have a travel channel show about Deep Fried Delta Pickles or Palin on Hannity….
Choices, choices, choices….what to watch?
Yeah – gotta go with Deep Fried Pickles lol
#180 Read the WH guest book – both have been guest!
#180 Of course SEIU Chief Thug Andy Stern was a guest over 20 odd nights so he is the new best buddy….
#178
And I can post videos and links of Palestianian launching missiles into Isreal (within the 1967 borders) from Gaza even though the Isreali cleared all Jewish settlements out of Gaza. They are disputing land. So? The Pakistani and Indians have a dispute over Kashmir. Chit happens.
180 Read the WH guest book – both have been guest!
You know what? The American people were told about both Ayers and Wright and they still decided to put Obama in the White House. He can, thus, invite anyone he wants unless they are a fugitive or convicted criminal. If the GOP had not screwed up their time in power, you wouldn’t have to worry about Ayers and Wright being at the White House.
Chekote,
Do you always resort to ad hominem of “Them Jews” when debating Israel with regard to anyone who disagrees with you?
If the Jews want to live in Palestine, fine, but get the Israel army and government support out of it, and let the Jews living there be governed by Fatah.
The real problem is the goal of “greater Israel” in which there is a movement to take all the land eventually.
BTW-And you never said if you supported Palin’s statement or not.
acroso,
You obviously have a lot of animous against Jews. I don’t support Palin’s statement that Palestinians need to move so that Jews can move in. It is an idiotic statement from someone who formulates policy based on her interpretation of the New Testament. As far as the army being there, the IDF had withdrawn and was relying on the PA to take care of security. They failed at the job so the IDF had to go back in.
The real problem is the goal of “greater Israel” in which there is a movement to take all the land eventually.
It is not being sponsored by the Israeli government. As a matter of fact, the Israeli army is constantly taking down illegal settlement by this group. The Isreali army is doing more to take down new settlement than the Palestinian Authority ever did to protect Jewish populations that have been there thousands of years.
#185 Wow, first you accuse me of being a birth certificate nutter (which BTW I have never ever mentioned and could care less about) then when confronted with the inaccuracy of your statement you blame the GOP for Obama continuing his radical associations……this makes no sense…..if you dont think it matters to you then fine, but the fact that Obama continues to associate with these radicals and essentially push their radical policies and ideas is entirely relevant to what is going on in this country right now
Time to sleep.
Goodnight TimV! Why haven’t you been posting lately?
Goodnight acroso. Goodnight all.
“As far as the army being there, the IDF had withdrawn and was relying on the PA to take care of security. They failed at the job so the IDF had to go back in.”
So basically, you want Israel to control the West Bank so that Israelis can live there rather than having Palestinians control it.
If the Jews want to live there, they should have to live under Fatah just as the Palestinians in Israel live under Israel government. If they don’t like the security, then move back to Israel.
#188
Hey, he got elected. He can associate with whomever he wants short of convicted criminals. You are all about freedom, yet you are saying that POTUS doesn’t have the freedom to see this guy or that guy.
So if I spend 10000 buck on Intrade on ObamaCare with a public option to pass how much cash can I make?
If the Jews want to live there, they should have to live under Fatah just as the Palestinians in Israel live under Israel government. If they don’t like the security, then move back to Israel.
Okay. So the Jews should strip Israeli Arabs and not provide them with any protection so that they can move out. Fatah was not protecting the Jewish populations. Worse. They were actively encouraging attacks. They don’t want ANY Jews living ANYWHERE in the area. Why are you so dishonest and pretend that the Palestinians don’t include the state of Israel in any of the maps of the area? Ok. I got to go to sleep.
#191 No, In fact I think its helpful that he continues to have his buddies over for tea and crumpets to disucss radical politics/polices!
Of course he can have a slumber party with whoever he wants – I never said I opposed this….
All I ever said is why the hell should Hannity talk about it if he wants to – since they are routinely contact the President he thinks this is relevant so why shouldnt he be allowed to talk about this?
Yes, I am for freedom of speech. You evidently want to supress Hannity;s because you dont like his message. That my point. If you dont like whats on watch Deep Fried Pickles like I am lol.
Sorry. I mean to say that Palestinian maps of the area don’t include the state of Israel.
All I ever said is why the hell should Hannity talk about it if he wants to
Because it is boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Okay. So the Jews should strip Israeli Arabs and not provide them with any protection so that they can move out. Fatah was not protecting the Jewish populations. Worse. They were actively encouraging attacks. They don’t want ANY Jews living ANYWHERE in the area. Why are you so dishonest and pretend that the Palestinians don’t include the state of Israel in any of the maps of the area? Ok. I got to go to sleep.”
Hence they need to stop all expansions of current settlements, and start moving back to Israel.
If they don’t like living under Fatah, then get out.
If they don’t like living under Fatah, then get out.
I see you embrace ethnic cleasing. Good to know.
#191 I will add that he can associate with covicted criminals too – thats cool with me…..those criminals will give him better advice then the likes of Ayers, Wright, Stern, Pelosi, Reid etc
Let’s go invade a random country, and start building settlements.
Then we can complain that their government does not give us security so we need to occupy them and “provide” security.
Hypocrisy Chekote.
#196 Then Watch Deep Fried Pickles…..I am – its more exciting then yet more Sarah Palin lol
The Bill Ayers who visited the Whitehouse was not THAT Bill Ayers. And, the Jeremiah Wright who visited the Whitehouse was not THAT Jeremiah Wright.
There have been tens of thousands of visitors to the Whitehouse since Obama was inaugurated. The list that was released was only about a hundred names long, because they only checked for the names that requests were submitted for. Meaning someone asked them specifically to look through the list for a ‘William Ayers’, which they found. Only it wasn’t the former Weather Underground member who teaches in Chicago. It was some other dude.
Believing everything that the Drudge Report throws up, or everything that comes out of Hannity or Beck, will leave you looking rather foolish, Mr. super genius.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33556933/ns/politics-white_house/
“The White House warns that many names that may appear familiar — and controversial — do not in fact refer to the most famous people to carry those names. Jeremiah Wright is on the list, but it’s not the president’s former pastor. This Michael Jordan is not the basketball player. This Michael Moore is not a filmmaker. The William Ayers who took a group tour of the White House isn’t the former radical from Chicago who figured so prominently in the 2008 campaign. And the Angela Davis on the list has a different middle initial than the activist and former fugitive.”
I need good free advice on how to make a bundle off ObamaCare on Intrade – anyone what to help me out?
We have deep fried twinkees on now….
Obama should just cut off military funds to that Israel, and we can use that money to give compensation to the settlers so they can move back to Israel.
WHERE ARE THE DOCTORS TO IMPLEMENT OBAMACARE?
Health care reform will fail to achieve its promise of affordable access to medical care unless the nation’s physician workforce is substantially expanded to meet the demand that newly insured patients will place on an already over-burdened system, warns Timothy P. White, Chancellor of the University of California, Riverside.
A comprehensive strategy for growing the physician workforce — as well as other allied health professionals such as nurses and physicians’ assistants — should be developed and supported with a federal investment at the same time health insurance is expanded to cover millions of additional people, says White.
Without this, gaining access to prompt medical care for all patients will become even more difficult. There will be longer wait times for appointments, less face time with a physician and, in all likelihood, delayed diagnoses leading to more expensive treatment and increased risk of complications. One need only look at the experience of Massachusetts, where the adoption of universal health coverage has intensified the physician shortage, explains White:
Nationally, the physician shortage will persist for the foreseeable future, even without adding tens of millions of people to the ranks of insured.
The Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) forecasts a national physician shortage by 2025 of between 124,000 and 159,300, adding that universal health coverage could increase the shortage by another 31,000 physicians.
Many regions of the United States already experience severe physician shortages, says White:
Riverside County — located in the diverse and rapidly growing Inland Southern California region — is the only county in the state with a population greater than 1 million to have fewer than 100 M.D.s per 100,000 people, according to a recent report prepared for the California HealthCare Foundation.
Furthermore, the physician workforce does not reflect the ethnicity of the population, underscoring health disparities that result in a higher incidence of chronic diseases and higher mortality in minority and low-income populations.
Because minority physicians are more likely than non-minority physicians to practice in ethnically diverse communities, it is vital for medical schools to train a diverse workforce of physicians to practice with a clear emphasis on prevention, and with cultural competency and sensitivity.
Source: Timothy P. White, “Where Are the Doctors to Implement ObamaCare?” Wall Street Journal, November 17, 2009.
For text:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574539901625102682.html
ust a reminder – the worst part of CrappyCare is still the Individual Mandate:
“That Darn Mandate
Shikha Dalmia
“If the government can force Americans to buy coverage on the threat of fines or even imprisonment–an option that Nancy Pelosi has pointedly refused to rule out–every other government diktat becomes small potatoes by contrast. In fact, it becomes necessary. If uninsured Americans must buy coverage, why shouldn’t other Americans be taxed to subsidize them? Why shouldn’t the insurance industry be required to sell them coverage? Why shouldn’t government set insurance prices to ensure affordability? Why shouldn’t doctors and hospitals be asked to charge only “reasonable” rates–or offer only government-sanctioned treatments? Nothing about ObamaCare fundamentally changes so long as the individual mandate remains intact.
Therefore, instead of wonkishly droning about the public option, Republicans should counter Democrats’ grand appeals for “universal coverage for all” with equally grand appeals for “medical freedom for all.” They should stand together on the Capitol steps and issue the health care equivalent of Reagan’s Berlin Wall ultimatum: “Mr. President: Tear up this mandate.”
During the campaign, Obama himself successfully stopped poor Hillary dead in her tracks by reminding voters at every turn of her tyrannical plans to force them to purchase coverage. So why aren’t Republicans doing the same to Obama?
The main reason is that they themselves are deeply conflicted about the mandate. On the one hand, every Republican on the Senate Finance Committee voted against it–except, of course, for Maine’s Sen. Olympia Wavering-Heart Snowe. On the other hand, many Republicans, led by their intellectual lights at the conservative Heritage Foundation, among others, have long accepted–no, championed–the notion that unless people are forced to carry insurance, freeloaders who land in emergency rooms will cripple the health care system. Legislate personal responsibility, in other words. It was a Heritage plan for forced coverage that formed the blueprint for the Massachusetts universal care debacle that the then Republican Gov. Mitt Romney enacted.
Thus Republicans have no leg to stand on now that Obama, pulling one of his many switcheroos, has embraced the individual mandate. Heritage folks are trying to pull their own switcheroo by opposing Obama’s mandate, saying what they had originally proposed for Massachusetts was not really a mandate but actually a self-insurance scheme under which an uninsured person would have to post a personal bond before being treated in an emergency room.
But countering mandates with bonds doesn’t exactly make for a rousing rallying cry. Indeed, both ideas are based on the mistaken diagnosis that the central cause of our health care woes is the cost of uncompensated care that the uninsured get. The fact of the matter is that this care accounts for no more than $40 billion of the country’s $2.26 trillion health care bill–or less than 3% of total health care spending. This is less than what department stores lose to shoplifting every year. Several private hospitals that I visited in India last month make a fraction of the profits that American hospitals do but still reported treating up to 10% of their patients for free.
The mandate barring American hospitals from denying treatment to anyone who lands in emergency–the root of the supposed freeloader problem–certainly imposes a heavy burden on some hospitals, especially in inner cities. But it is far from clear that it forces American hospitals as a whole to provide more charitable care to the uninsured than what they would have without it. It would certainly be worthwhile at some point to consider policy options to replace this mandate with mechanisms to strengthen voluntary charity by hospitals and others. In the meantime, however, there is zero evidence to suggest that this mandate is imposing a crippling enough burden on hospitals to warrant mandates on everyone else as well.”
http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/17/obamacare-health-democrats-republicans-opinions-columnists-shikha-dalmia_print.html
Herbert Hoover’s Warning About The US’s Future
From: http://rightwingnews.com/
“In every single case before the rise of totalitarian governments there had been a period dominated by economic planners. Each of these nations had an era under starry-eyed men who believed that they could plan and force the economic life of the people. They believed that was the way to correct abuse or to meet emergencies in systems of free enterprise. They exalted the state as the solver of all economic problems. These men thought they were liberals. But they also thought they could have economic dictatorship by bureaucracy and at the same time preserve free speech, orderly justice, and free government. These men are not Communists or Fascists. But they mixed these ideas into free systems.”
good night chekote. i still post here. i am busy at rp making money. in addition i am working on some small biz startups and a bible study blog.not to mention my 4 grankids with 3 in the ovens.
This is a great column from Geogre Will exposing CrappyCare for the Unconstitutional affront to our Liberties, personal freedoms, and individual rights:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/19/fighting_a_coericion_clause_99203.html
“Democrats’ health bills depend on forcing individuals to buy insurance or face severe fines or imprisonment. In 1994, the Congressional Budget Office said forcing individuals to buy insurance would be “an unprecedented form of federal action,” adding: “The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States.”
This year, the Congressional Research Service delicately said “it is a novel issue whether Congress may use the (Commerce) Clause to require an individual to purchase a good or service.” Congress has the constitutional power to “regulate commerce … among the several states.” But a Federalist Society study by Peter Urbanowicz and Dennis Smith judges it perverse to exercise coercion under the Commerce Clause “on an individual who chooses not to undertake a commercial transaction.” As Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, says, there is “a fundamental difference between regulating activities in which individuals choose to engage” — e.g, drivers can be required to buy auto insurance — “and requiring such activities” just because an individual exists.
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., says Congress can tax — i.e., punish — people who do not buy insurance because the Constitution empowers Congress to tax for “the general welfare.” So, could Congress tax persons who do not exercise or eat their spinach?
When asked whether any compulsory insurance purchases are constitutional, Speaker Nancy Pelosi was genuinely astonished: “Are you serious? Are you serious?” In 1803, in Marbury v. Madison, Chief Justice John Marshall wrote, “The powers of the legislature are defined and limited; and that those limits may not be mistaken, or forgotten, the Constitution is written.” He was serious.”
This is exactly the issue with CrappyCare – who gets to make your medical decsions? You or the government?
This is the worst usurption of your individual rights ever proposed!
This is crunchtime for CrappyCare – FoxNews reports Reid is “confident” he has the votes for cloture!
Today is the time to make the phones, PC, and faxes smoke up in DC!
Tim V,
I stand by everything I said in that thread including the term Theo-con. If you read my original post in that thread (#15), I was actually VERY MILD. It was MFG and RWY that seemed to want to pick a fight.
Fine. They hit me and then they hit the floor.
I used the term Theocon AS it is commonly defined, i.e. those that want to put religious values and drives into our system of govt. – Polaris
Commonly defined by WHO ? Where did the term come from ? Who started it ? Who uses it ? Is not theo, the greek word for God? and con, is it not short for conservative ?
if the term theocon means a Godly conservative, I will PROUDLY wear the label. If it means a conservative that desires a theocracy, then I will shun the label.
What I DO know is this. Kossaks and others are constantly accusing social conservatives of wanting a theocracy,a charge that is ludicrous and a LIE.
The word BIGOT is often associated with race but the word has a broader meaning. It is a loaded word and a word that I do not like to use.
The Mirriam Webster online definition of a bigot is here :a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and
prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
IF and perhaps the word IF rightfully applies here, if use of the word theocon implies that social conservatives that are Christians desire a theocracy, THEN you could rightfully be charged with bigotry against THAT particular group.
I myself admit to being a BIGOT under the above definition. What GROUP am I bigoted towards ? LIARS. I HATE LIES.
Polaris, you and are are on the same team when it comes to limited governemt and fiscal conservatism. Where we disagree is on the issue of God. You don’t think He exists. I KNOW HE DOES. But even on that subject, we have never debated nor named called eachother.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoconservatism
looks like the term was first used in 1996 in the new republic and is used in the manner that Polaris used it.
perhaps it is I that owes polaris an apology. i am never afraid to admit it when i am wrong. allow me to ponder on this for a day.
it appears that GAY pretend conservative andrew sullivan has used the term extensively. i know he is well known and oft quoted but i never read him. anything of his that i have read, i have disagreed with.
#209:
Could you repeat that, in English?
mornin tim. i’m on the road and should make it to your house by nightfall. get that big meat on the grill READY. IF YA GOT ANY POSSUM, I’M GAME.
Morning gang, I literally had to skim through most of the posts here at this site. Its becoming very difficult to get anything material at this site imo, unfortuantely.
I agree with Tina. All this off-topic arguing is hurting this once outstanding site.
I actually think the term “theoconservative” is just an odd way to define people. 1st anytime you use Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson or Pt Buchannon or Alan Keyes as defining people its like using Ralph Nadar as a defining person. They spout and talk maybe even run for office but notice they hold no office.
Its like the term Evangalistic Christian. Every Christian from a Roman Catholic to a Presbyterian is one. One of the definitions of being a Christian is that you believe in Christ and that you want others to believe in Christ. That’s a media word made up by folks who obviousily do not understand Christianity.
Calling someone a “Theoconservative” is something someone would do if they did not understand theology and conservatism.
Tina/Bio Mom
Certainly the tone of the conversaton has gotten much nastier. Any disagreement/misunderstanding goes immediately to rage.
Hey HB,nice to see you back more.
I wish I could write some relevant limericks these days (Lord knows there’s plenty of topics and Lord knows this site could use some humor) but my company now monitors internet interactions.
Yup, HB you are right. That is why I ignore several posters here.
Hellbelly
I agree with you that the civility level here has declined. I also find the one particular line of posting that is started over and over again but one particular poster to be totally pointless.
I am always amused that those talking about tolerance are always the ones who least tolerant of the views of others.
On the political/legislative front this morning. The eyes of the political world are on six or seven US senators. The timing of the debate or non-debate on healthcare will be settled in the next 48 hours. We have Faux CBO numbers out (not real estimates but estimates of estimates) and the bill’s language. Will we get 72 hours to read before debate starts? If so that means debate starts at about 6PM on Saturday
221- Hellybelly, for the life of me, I fail to understand why you do not participate in the BJG pithy poetry friday nights.I would love to see you display your talents.
Does anyone have any insight on Connecticut? Lieberman seems to be going out of his way to antagonize the Dem leadership. I heard Lamont is going to run for Gov., and the Rep Gov is thinking of a Senate run in 2012. Thune says He’d welcome Lieberman into the Rep party, but Lieberman said He might run as a Dem. in 2012. Anyone know whats going on?
218- rd once again you have shown your wisdom. good job man.
216- tina, this thread was a 2 person thread-wes,chek,wes,chek,wes,chek.
let’s call it the WESCHEK thread.
test
Why do you have so many issues with the military? Did you get kicked out the military for some reason?
Comment by Chekote
He probably “told”
- Hellybelly, for the life of me, I fail to understand why you do not participate in the BJG pithy poetry friday nights.I would love to see you display your talents.
Comment by Tim V
Negatory, the competition is too stiff already.
HB, if you wish to play in the poetry contest, just click on my name, and you are at the site. registration is not that hard. tina,md,eph,me,knighthawk,coyote,lisab,howard dean, have all posted there before. currently an unnamed poster is banned from the site.
Tim V.,
Thanks….i’ll check it out
Good morning, everyone.
-14, 46/52 overall.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
GULP!
WEC
Bear in mind Intrade is illegal if you are a US citizen
“Negatory, the competition is too stiff already.”
….if you want to see what you’d be up against, check out under “old stuff” up top the thread “State of the Union Open Thread” dated 1/31/06 for “Ode to Teddy Kennedy”
Obama reminds me more and more of Titanic every time I see him.
Did anyone else catch the beatdown by Lindsay Graham on Eric Holder yesterday? Oh my word, one of the first time’s in awhile that I can remember cheering on Lindsay Graham. Holder looked like an absolute fool. He claimed to not know how many battlefield combatants had been tried in civilian court. Lindsay told him the answer, “never before.” He asked about the impact of not having granted the enemy combatants miranda rights, and Holder had no answer. This guy is the chief lawyer for the country. It was embarrassing for anyone capable of being shamed.
Did you seriously expect anything else, Gary?
I am disappointed withthe negativity on HHR. My 2 cents
1. Troletta is right that only a singly payor system can avoid health care related bankruptcies.
2. What she fails to talk about is while saving half a million bankruptcies, it will wreck health care for the other 300 million with rationing.
3. You got a sample of rationing with the mammogram debate; expect them to tellyou that colonoscopies and PSA testing are a waste of time in the near future
4. I feel Lieberman will torpedo this thing and I am optimistic that Reid will be dared to reconciliate the bill for which there is little appetite.
5. If lieberman bolts, likely Lincoln and Nelson will although Nelson the rat will vote for cloture.
That was indeed a beat down.
I can’t stand Lindsey Graham. That said, he stepped up yesterday and showed Holder to be the fool that he is.
It was a classic.
Which Nelson, Pitch?
More and more people are saying that Landrieu is not on board either, which surprises me since she was just reelected
Reid may not even have 60 to open debate, we shall see
Holder works for Obama. Does anyone not expect incompetence out of anyone working for the President?
DQ,
You are in for some serious competition tomorrow night. I already have 10 poems, “locked and loaded”
Are we having a poetry competition, Tim?
That said, he stepped up yesterday and showed Holder to be the fool that he is.
It was a classic.
Comment by Phil
Phil, I saw that and agree. Much as I can’t stand Lucy he did give Holder a serious SMACKDOWN !
245…and if he gets the 60 for debate, its all over. The rest of it is just a show.
Wes, it is a custom at bjg to have a friday night poetry contest every friday night.
BBC
A drug that can prolong the lives of patients with advanced liver cancer has been rejected for use in the NHS in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) said the cost of Nexavar – about £3,000 a month – was “simply too high”.
But Macmillan Cancer Support said the decision was “a scandal”.
Nah
Got to get 60 for debate then 60 again for cloture
Joe L has said he will vote to open debate but not for cloture, others are likely to feel the same way
He’s got 55-57 votes for cloture, my best guess
239- great post gary.
Oh, Tim, I see.
Welcome to the wonderful world of socialized medicine, Howie.
Chuckie Schumer wants 75 to 100 million federal tax dollars for trial security to try KSM and his pals in NYC.
I can’t tell you how furious I am at Obama and Holder.
This is nuts.
I can imagine some terrorist saying “Yes I kill the Americans in Iraq and Yes I would do it again”. Yet I am a freedom fighter like Washington-Jefferson”
So silly to bring these folks to the USA.
You, I, pretty much everyone on the HHR other than CCCP and Alan, and probably about two thirds of the country, Phil.
Watch him get acquitted
Or a hung jury and have to do it again
Thank you, Barack
Schumer 10 wks after 9-11:
“those who commit acts of war against the United States particularly those who are not American citizens don’t deserve the same rights and due process that Americans receive”
Now he wants 100 million a year to try these animals in NYC.
To be fair to Schumer, Phil, he doesn’t seem to be in favor of trying the terrorists here. He can make the case that NYC will need the extra money to pay for the heightened security that will be necessary during the trial.
Chuckie Schumer on Bin Laden:
“it is ludicrous to suggest he should be tried in a Federal court on Center Street in Lower Manhatten”
quoted 10 wks after 9-11
252…DEATH PANEL!!
Just a point on Nexavar which is a cancer treatment drug that has tremodous potential a wide variety of Cancers. Naturally this drug was developed in the USA. Naturally the state run-state rationed health care systems thinks the cost is very high.
Its just an example of how our healthcare system saves lives and that Obamacare will cripple that process
And when the EVIL pharmaceutical companies are destroyed who will develop new cancer cures
Unicorns I suppose…
RAS 46/52
Strongly Approve 27
Strongly Disapprove 41
Little green men from Mars maybe, MFG.
Any bets on what the Ras will have to say about the potential Pataki/bimbette race in New York?
I’m betting it’ll be about +2 or +3 for Pataki over the bimbette.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/19/work-site-arrests-of-illegals-fall-dramatically/
Wes, that is Ben Nelson.
Nexavar is a new class of drug useful in previously untreatable cancers like liver, melanoma and kidney cancers. It is one of a bunch of drugs called small molecule kinase inhibitors; the fruits of innovation and research in cell biology over the last fifteen years which gives my patients some hope on a daily basis. It is the exact kind of research that will be killed by socialized medicine.
You are in for some serious competition tomorrow night. I already have 10 poems, “locked and loaded”
Comment by Tim V
We do it once a month, I don’t think tomorrow is the night.
You compound our problem by inviting hellbelly.
Sssshhhh…We’re not supposed to mention that, Howie. Illegals are “doing the jobs Americans just won’t do,” remember?
As for Holder, he had the look of a deer caught in the headlights and about to be run over. He is out of his depth and if he was Republican, the press would have had him out.
Pitch, I think Nelson will be a turncoat only he’s politically suicidal. Obama won’t come close in Nebraska in 2012. Nelson won in 2000 just because the GOP nominated an uncharismatic jerkoff, and 2006 went to Nelson only because Bush played defense for him by appointing Mike Johanns to the Cabinet. If Nelson is a turncoat on this, then look for the top-tier Republicans to stream into the race.
I do not dismiss the cost of drugs as a problem with our healthcare system. I might add that our drug companies have numerous programs to help those people who cannot afford this drug pay for it. Or drugs similar to it. I am sure Nexavar is approved in the USA yet. Our FDA has thing about approving Cancer drugs. They tend to wait to see how successful the drug is around the world and then they approve it.
I do not want to go all Ayn Rand on this issue but as an encouragement to success medical care is better for those who have been rewarded financially in live. Is that a shock to anyone? Bill Gates gets a little better healthcare then a homeless person.
Everyone gets healthcare but its not the same healthcare.
Let’s go invade a random country, and start building settlements.
It is amazing how many times you have to re-write history in order to hold your beliefs. The Isreali were attacked by the neighboring Arab countries because the were trying to eliminate the state of Isreal. Instead, the lost territory. Again, Israel didn’t invate ANY random country. It was ATTACKED. To the victor the spoils.
The second point is that Israel began receiving military aid after the Camp David agreement. Part of the deal that Carter worked out with Egypt was to give it military aid in exchange of recognizing Israel’s righ to exist. Since Egypt was receiving aid, Israel began receiving military aid as part of the deal. BTW, Israel cleared all settlements in the Sinai and returned it to Egypt.
Chek, Bunu/Acroso/Invalid 1-700 is a moron. It’s really not worht your time engaging the clown.
Obama should just cut off military funds to that Israel, and we can use that money to give compensation to the settlers so they can move back to Israel.
Should he cut off the aid Egypt is getting too? Israel has returned land several times. Gaza, Sinai, Lebanon. All they want is to be recognized as a country. I am sure they will return more land for peace. And Obama is an idiot for falling for the lie that Jewish settlements are impeding peace. But then again Obama is the same “genius” he lauded the American legal system and then proceeded to convict KSM.
Rasmussen
Moonbeam-41
Whitman-41
Moonbeam-43
Poizner-32
Moonbeam-42
Campbell-33
Good news for Whitman, Brent. It looks as if the national races seem to be trending en masse one way–and that’s not to the Dems.
Idiocy like what you’re responding to makes me despise the Paulians, Chek.
Wait’ll you see the doctors that’ll retire if this shit goes through
My brother in law is a doctor and I was always amazed and admired so much the work he had to do to get through medical school
Doctors who are 55 and have some money? How many of them will just retire and say, who needs this?
Minnesota Loon stikes again:
Bachmann: Prayer and fasting will help defeat health care reform
Tidal wave election coming in ‘10
Fewer blacks
Fewer “HopeyChange” 20 somethings
No guilty whites pining to vote for a black for President
Motivated R base
Indies going R by huge percentages
Discouraged D base
And the piece de la resistance: 11% unemployment
Electoral Tsunami here we come
The medical profession could stop this thing in it’s tracks, by simply closing their offices two days a week, and limiting any new patients. A one month general strike would shut it down. Galt the bastids.
I can’t disagree with any of that, DQ.
As you all know, I am not a fan of BJG but I will say that poetry night can be a lot of fun. Especially, when there are no poems basically celebrating the murder of a doctor.
#236 I dont know much about Intrade period – I certainly didnt know it was illegal for US citizens. So much for my plan to profit from the CrappyCare Cramdown!
#241 The number of medical related bankruptcies in this country number less then 50K per year according to the lateset studies. So destruction of the best HC system in the world that serves 300 million makes no sense in this respect. Many of us risk bankrupctcy simply by waking up and doing our jobs as the John Edwards of the world are always out there ready to sue for any reason. In addition to normal risks associated with business and investment, we all have a bankruptcy threat – I see no reason to give special sympathy to medical related ones….
For those who still aren’t convinced that their is a gale at the back of the GOP this year, those California numbers are remarkable in California.
It’s California folks – not exactly a swing state.
#282 Wes,
“When the mood of the country changes, it changes everywhere at the same time.”
And the piece de la resistance: 11% unemployment
This is the key for 2010.
Gotta go feed the horses. They are yelling at me.
brb
#286
Nice list and all of it true.
Senate
CO NV AR CT DE likely wins
IL PA we have a good chance
NY possible
No Communist pick ups that I see, we should hold KY and NH
Post 285 alert
Ron Paul and Rand Paul are racists and anti-semites so it’s not surprising the Pauliacs are here trashing Israel when the thread is about US politics.
As you all know, I am not a fan of BJG but I will say that poetry night can be a lot of fun. Especially, when there are no poems basically celebrating the murder of a doctor.
Comment by Chekote
You will will enjoy the ones celebrating the murder of the unborn I’m sure.
Phil, I asked earlier, but no one responded. What do you think the Ras will have to say about the Pataki/bimbette race later today?
WEC
I’ve been dying over the years to trade on Intade but didn’t because I didn’t want to do anything illegal, especially considering the line of business I’m in
Just wanted to give you a heads up!
Intrade is in Ireland and I believe trading is OK for members of the Eu
MFG- I assume you think MO is a hold?
Dave should set the site up to play Rammstein’s Links 2-3-4 every time Bunu/Acroso/Inalid 1-8000 posts, Jason.
ONCE UPON MY COMPUTER DREARY,WHILE I PONDERED WEAK AND WEARY,
OVER MANY A QUAINT AND CURIOUS POST OF YORE,
WHILE I NODDED NEARLY NAPPING, SUDDENLY THERE CAME A CHEERING,
AS OF SOMEONE ACTIVELY CHEERING, CHEERING ON MY COMPUTER SCREEN,
‘TIS THE BJG BLOGERS’ I MUTTERED,CHEERING AT MY COMPUTER SCREEN.
WONDERED I , WHY THE CHEERING, ON MY COMPUTER SCREEN?
WHY IT’S THE SILENCE OF CHEKOTE,
HOPEFULLY THE SCREECHING TO BE HEARD NEVERMORE
285…in that we are on the cusp of America being destroyed by this horrible legislation, don’t you think its OK for people to exercise their freedom of religion and pray to the Almighty to save the country? You don’t have to believe God exists, but others do, and others believe that prayer changes things. I certainly do. Do you mind if I pray about this? Or would that be offensive to you?
MO’s gone from a likely Dem to a tossup in the course of a few weeks, GPO, largely because the GOP is assailing Carnahan on her absenteeism in the state. With the wave going against the Dems, I’d say Blunt ultimately win by between three and five.
302
You would think MO is a hold, I know the polling has been close, but a tidal wave should lift all R boats I would think
there once was a maiden named chekote,
she was a tenacious little coyote,
she feared not the political strife,
she would make someone a good ex wife,
be wary of this diminutive don Quixote.
Somehow I managed not put an “s” at the end of the word that was supposed to be “wins” in my last post. That’s so amateurish.
New thread.
Wes, I think it will be more surprisingly positive news for the GOP in another blue state.
Seriously, these Democrats in congress are even more cluless that the congressional Republicans were when it comes to outside the beltway public opinin.
What is it about power?
Lord Acton said it best, Phil: “All power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
WHY IT’S THE SILENCE OF CHEKOTE,
HOPEFULLY THE SCREECHING TO BE HEARD NEVERMORE
Then why are you here? Go back to your little gulch.