OH: GOP Leads Senate, Gov Races
Catching up with a poll that was released before the election last night, a new poll from Wenzel Strategies for the state of Ohio shows Republicans leading both the US Senate and Gubernatorial races.
US SENATE – OHIO (Wenzel Strategies)
Rob Portman (R) 40%
Jennifer Brunner (D) 35%Rob Portman (R) 37%
Lee Fisher (D) 31%GOVERNOR – OHIO (Wenzel Strategies)
John Kasich (R) 43%
Ted Strickland (D-inc) 33%
One point of note, this poll was paid for by Ohio Right to Life. Humorously, the article linked above refers to Portman as “Portland” when giving the results of the Senate race. This poll was done January 8-12 among 1,001 registered voters.
Double-digits for both. Book it.
John Kasich/Scott Brown
GOP Ticket for 2012
2012 too soon for Kasich.
Sam is right. Kasich needs one term at least, and also had a self admitted affair in the 1990’s
Good to see these kinds of numbers, but I still hate registered voter polls.
Strickland at 33%, no wonder he did not endorse Obama in 2008
Dylan, I doubt Brown will ever run for President. Although he’s a solid candidate and is the best the GOP could get in Massachusetts, the fact that he will have to cast some groan-inducing votes in the Senate every now and then to fend off a Dem opponent will make him an unlikely candidate on a national ticket.
Wes, good to see you here.
Do you expect mass retirements soon?
I anticipate many Dems who were thought to be seeking reelection to head for the exits soon, Jason. Earl Pomeroy has already signaled he may be following Dorgan into private life.
the primary fight in Arizona is over if Palin helps McCain, and thats a good thing. We dont need to waste our energy purging our party when we have a narrow window and huge momentum to out Democrats and
win back the Senate.
We have 41.
Dorgans and Bidens seats are almost noncontested at this point.
43.
Specter
Reid
Bennet
Lincoln
Burris-open
Gillibrand
protect the Missouri seat.
Thats 49.
To cap it, focus on B&B- Boxer and Bayh.
It looked impossible this time last year that we would be this close.
Time to focus, contribute, and campaign, now.
while we have the chance.
Agreed, Finn.
let me be the first to congratulate the president on the occasion of his one year anniversary
way to go BO!!!!!
Hmm http://bshor.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/scott-brown-is-more-liberal-than-olympia-snowe-and-now-hes-pivotal-too/
Good Wes. I think many of these Blue Dogs who announced they will run again, will now retire. The Chairmans like Skelton will not, but I could see Spratt, Lincoln Davis, Boswell etc… changing gears
Lisa you are great, but you were a downer last night. LOL
Hawk, after your dead on prediction last night on the vote, who do you like Vikings or Saints?
I made something of a similar point in my first post of the day, Knight. Still, brown’s the best the GOP’s going to get in Massachusetts, and he’ll be a reliable vote against Obamacare and for decreased taxation. Let’s be happy with what we have and not be upset we didn’t get the more that was unrealistic.
Finn, one thing you missed. If we get up to 49, will Webb and Nelson switch? 2012 will be a terrible Senate cycle for the DEMS as they have to defend the Super 6 from 2006
No, Jason, Nelson and Webb will not switch. Both are antipathetic to the GOP. They’ll retire before they switch parties (or, in Webb’s case, switch back).
16 – Ah don’t ask me about football unless it’s a NY team I just pick based on colors and cheerleader squads. Though on that along I’ve been 50/50 so far. But I’m taking the Vikings and the underdog Jets this week for the win.
Wes, well said about Brown. He will go down someday as the man who saved us from Marxism. Let him do his thing, and we should appreciate it
Wes, you are right. They are closet liberals,who voted for cloture. No hope for them
Now the question whether or not the GOP will field a strong candidate in the special election to replace Brown. One would think the Senator would have someone in mind he felt could keep his seat in the GOP column.
House Liberals To Pelosi: “We Cannot Support The Senate Bill. Period.”
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/house-liberals-to-pelosi-we-cannot-support-the-senate-bill-period/
17 – I didn’t say I was not pleased with the result. I found that article and the linked data far more interesting then what was being said about Brown in it, which is why I posted it.
How can Scott Brown not be a national GOP candidate?
He is for less spending.
he is for tax cuts
He is for strong national defense.
What is the problem?
Megyn Kelly to get own Afternoon show on Fox News.
What a babe
So Wes…. how did it go buying everyone a beverage of their choice at the Golden Corral? Or is that tonight?
Brown typifies what I’ve been preaching for moths now about regionalism. The GOP won’t be able to elect Tom Coburn or Jeff Sessions to the Senate from New England, but it can elect more moderate candidates like Brown. He brought the winning formula to the race and should be the template for the way the GOP fields candidates going forward. Just remember, people, when Brown does cast a vote you absolutely despise in the future he’s a Massachusetts Republican. He’s what you’ll get in that state. If you run a Mississippi Republican up there, he’ll end up the same way Al Salvi did in 1996.
Bayern what is the deal with Donnelly and Ellsworth? Did they vote for HC? Kick them out
Dont forget that Byrd is frail and in a wheelchair and Johnson had a massive stroke that I have never been really convinced he has fully recovered. Either of these die or become incapacitated and have to be replaced and you get to 50 ( 51 with both ). 50 just gets you to listen to Biden talk more, this time from the well of the Senate.
It was Chili’s, Bay. I haven’t done so as yet. I will be doing it Saturday night.
Al Salvi is the poster child for not having a 3rd party.
Bayern
Positions on Abortion and Gay marriage are less than ideal…
24 – Nice find Brandon, interesting.
Wes, there are a couple of Salvi clones going after Kirk here in IL again. nuts
Gary, Johnson comes from a state with a GOP Governor. If he dies, that seat automatically flips. If Byrd dies though, then things become much more problematic. The Governor is a Dem who will appoint a Dem. Now, Congresswoman Capito could probably beat any Dem statewide other Manchin. Against him, she becomes more of an underdog although she’d probably be competitive. Of course if Manchin decides not to seek the seat in case of Byrd’s death or retirement, then Capito becomes a solid favorite to win.
Scott Brown/Bob McDonnell are the model candidates
right now: positive fiscal conservatives who are
happy warriors for Reagan conservatism.
Social conservativism must take a back seat right
now. Not that we turn our back on those issues
but they can’t be front and center.
That’s how we win back the suburbs and even
the urban blue collar “Reagan Dems.”
From what I’ve heard, they’ve fallen well behind Kirk in the polls, Jason, and will come nowhere near the nomination.
Jason T,
how about this to make it up to you …
the democrats have exactly 59 votes …
obama inbounding to coaxley …
scott brown stole the ball!!!
scott brown stole the ball!!!
scott brown stole the ball!!!
Byrd would trigger a Special that would have to happen at the next FED election day right? Unless Reid does a weekend at Bernie’s
Manchin would be tough to beat
26 – Needs an actual record that matches in the Senate.
27 – I saw that and smiled as well.
scott brown stole the ball!!!
scott brown stole the ball!!!
scott brown stole the ball!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdMPSYtQeIQ
Lisa LOL cool
“I saw that and smiled as well.”
why? Megyn Kelly does not strike me as particularly well informed on the nitty gritty issues of politics?
Brown is against gay marriage.
I urge more conservative Republicans to put aside the RINO hunting and support the more centrist GOP candidates in states where such candidates are warranted. By contrast, I urge more moderate and even liberal Republicans living in conservative states to put aside their differences with their conservative brethren and realize the more conservative Republicans their will be their ticket to less regulation and lower taxation and so vote for those candidates.
I hope Megyn Kelly will be replacing Shep Smith in the afternoon on fox. I absolutely loathe Smith.
Tom Gordon, I agree we need to be pragmatic, like Reagan was. Ronnie was able to please the Far Right wing privately and keep everyone happy
By the way, was anyone else less than thrilled with Fox’s election coverage, at least in the early goings, last night? It was nowhere near the A-list coverage they provided in November.
Megyn 1 to 3 Eastern Wes. Anderson Cooper’s boyfriend still on
Someone needs to shoot him, Jason. He’s horrible.
How frickin ironic is it that Healthcare and Marxism has been stopped by a Republican winning Chappy Ted’s seat?
Also, Olberman, Maddow, and Matthews completely lost their minds last night. This is despite the fact that the MSNBC election graphics were much better than those on Fox.
It’s a sweet irony, Jason–a deliciously sweet one.
Wes, Shep has a attitude because he is Gay. He is mad at the GOP for their stance on Gay Marriage.
He’s gay, Jason? Are you sure? He doesn’t look gay.
48 – No such luck she will be doing the 1-3 slot before the Sheppard
why? – cause hot milfs make me smile
Megyn Kelly does not strike me as particularly well informed on the nitty gritty issues of politics?
What nitty gritty issues of politics are usually discussed between 1-3pm on the cables lisab???
—
Well you strike me as not particularly well informed on her well informed’ness.
Oh yes he does…
Wes, Olberman should not be allowed on NBC football.
He used to do a Monthly Column in Sports Collectors digest also, but Baseball Card people got pissed at his politics and started cancelling their subscriptions. Olby was then dumped
47 – Amen, Wes. Please, everyone, no more purging moderates. Look at what happened yesterday. It was because we UNITED.
I guess I must not have seen enough gay guys for it to be obvious to me, Gary.
Shep should join CNN. Maybe co-host with Anderson Cooper
Wes, yes. He and Cooper. Friends in NY, not really a secret
His smarmy attack on Brown was unconscionable, Jason. Unfortunately Zucker won’t do anything to him even though MSNBC’s tanking in the ratings. Outbursts like that are just going to drive even more people away.
56 – He gets mad at anyone that doesn’t agree with him.
I don’t know why the guy get’s 2 hours a day, he can have the 3pm slot, but they need someone new @7pm.
“Also, Olberman, Maddow, and Matthews completely lost their minds last night. ”
did you notice Mattews was the rational one
i though Maddow was going to slap him …
“had you fought like a man, you need not have been hanged like a dog” maddow to matthews
I guess I’m glad I never knew that, Jason. Will Shep by chance be leaving FNC any time soon? God, I hope so.
Madcow is manlier than Matthews. I do believe she could kick his ass.
Zucker may be gone, after Conan fiasco.
Wes,
The problem though is that moderates in the party aren’t holding up their end of the deal when it comes to supporting the more conservative candidate in states where the more conservative candidate can win.
I think it’s pretty clear that conservatives are willing to support the more moderate candidate where they can win. It’s not clear the other way around as some have questioned why someone like Bennett in Utah is facing a primary challenge when in reality, your boy Salvi would win by double digits there if he were the nominee.
How does Zucker still have a job? I mean he’s done to NBC what Coakley did to her campaign.
61 – wrong, red state punks must be purged.
#50 – agree completely- extremely disappointed in Fox’s coverage- they didn’t even show the early returns until halfway through O’Reilly’s broadcast. Appears they were trying to delay info until Hannity and Greta came on board later. BTW- Greta is just terrible- FOX can do much better. She is a fish out of water in the political arena.
Another quick point relative to Kasich for President- some of you may recall he already made one attempt for the nomination- I believe it was back in 96, and he was ousted before the first ballot was cast if memory serves me correctly. He does not have enough personal charisma to get elected President, period.
I’m relatively new to posting on this site, but if we’re talking presidential politics, I just want to throw in a quick “lets not even discuss Palin as a nominee” line. I still see far too many bloggers, talk show hosts, etc that give her a chance in 2012. Folks- she is NOT presidential timber, and will never be. Remember- she QUIT as Governor of Alaska- that’s a liability that simply cannot be overcome. If you can’t handle the “heat” in Juneau, you sure as hell aren’t ready for Washington, DC.
Wes, Dominici’s son looks good for NM Governor.
I think the NV Lt. Governor is going to jump in against Reid, he was cleared by the courts.
Pataki we hope
Not always true, Tommy. Sam brownback is one of the most conservative Republicans in Congress in a state where the moderate and liberal GOP wings are often at each other’s throats. He has won twice by bigger margins tha Bob Dole ever got in the same seat.
Does the GOP need another candidate against Reid, Jason? Lowden, Tarkanian, and Angle are all ahead of him. There’s no need for anyone else to enter the race.
Hawk, Zucker is loved for his politics. He made the Pro Obama Nazi Youth Tape.
there is now a new vocabulary word
the patriots win every game in the season
up 14-10 with 2:42 left in the game
oh dang … they coaxleyed!!!
77. Wes, I agree. He should wait for Ensign’s seat
I’m pleased Fiorina is polling well against Boxer in California. I have a friend out there who’s dedicated this year to ensuring Boxer loses.
We need a good candidate in WA against Pansy Murray.
It’s Coakley, not Coaxley, Lisa.
I heard a former Redskin was in the race against Murray.
The reason Seibelius was elected Governor.
That all started with the Abolitionists and John Brown, Wes.
WES
I agree and I think Scott Brown is a perfect MA candidate. I might that Olympia Snowe could be against the individual mandate and still be perfectly electiable in ME.
Now as mentioned Brown-Snowe-Collins-Simmons might have a thing against ANWR or letting coastal Florida be open for oil exploration. For whatever reason even as MA-ME-NH use a lot of heating oil they are against exploration for environment reasons. I frankly have no idea how Brown would vote on this issue as he focused on tax cuts-spending cuts-blocking HC. I am sure there are several points I could pick with him. No matter he’s my guy and it was $100 well spent
#82 If only we could recruit Mack Strong to run against Murray. Strong is a black social conservative and the formal fullback for the Hawks.
The non-social conservatives would probably like him as well.
wes,
i am talking about marcia coaxley
she is from massachusettes
Kasich had a extra marital affair, he had to admit to it during the Lewinsky scandal.
I could care less, but could hurt in a GOP Primary.
Good to hear. I’m glad NRSC is getting on the ball with IN. There is no reason that slimeball Bayh should go unchallenged.
Clint didier, linebacker who played on skins Champion teams in the 1980’s
Any chance he runs, Tommy? I’m pretty sure once she wins, Jaime Herrera may start looking at a run against Cantwell sometime in the future.
Thanks, Jason.
Jaime Herrera is purdy
CQ’s finally updates its Senate map. It still ha sNC as only Leans GOP, but it’s a lot better than the old projections the site had.
wes, u have link?
http://innovation.cq.com/senate2010_map
The House map still needs a lot of work, but at least CQ’s not projecting a 3-seat Dem gain anymore.
Ben Nelson is desperate. NRO roasting him. He know says he was conned into 60th vote
So, does anyone think R2K will continue to decimate its own credibility with these wild-eyed polls showing the Dems running well ahead of where they actually are?
I think Nelson retires in 2012, Jason. That’s sad, for I was hoping I’d get to see his concession speech.
I hear old Richard Pombo is running again too.
If Nelson had any dignity, he would retire now and allow Nebraska to have better representation
I think the GOP needs to pass on Pombo, Jason. He lost because of corruption, and his return to Congress would only reopen old wounds. Much as I hate to say it, Pombo’s time has passed.
He won’t, Jason. He’ll continue in the Senate till his term ends, whether he exits the Senate because of defeat or retirement.
#87:
Didn’t he play college ball at Georgia?
(Good thing he’s in Washington. Tech fans would vote against him, here.)
Good night All. I will dream of the Retirement fairy
Night, Jason.
#107 I don’t know. But I do know he’s still living in Washington as he does analysis for the Pac-10 games in Washington for Fox sports.
He’s an absolutely dreadful color commentator.
Wes,
No clue if he’s been recruited. He strikes me as a stronger candidate than either McKenna, Rossi, or Reichert.
47 – Amen, Wes. Please, everyone, no more purging moderates. Look at what happened yesterday. It was because we UNITED.
Comment by Mark Cali — January 20, 2010 @ 5:44 pm
Mark, you, Wes, and Finn are 100% correct! Hopefully last night taught us what can happen when we stay united! That’s why I’m delighted that Sarah Palin will be campaigning for John McCain. What a symbol of party unity!!
By the way, the most likely senator to switch to the GOP is Lieberman! Nate Silver has him on his list of senate seats with a potential to switch parties. Couldn’t you envision McCain convincing him to come join the Good Guys? (especially is we get close to that magic number 50 seats)
if scott brown has an affair with sarah palin, what would the children produced be like?
Actually, I was just having a little fun, as a Tech fan, Tommy.
Strong did play at UGA.
Besides Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, are there any bigger losers from last night than Soros and Bubba.
I hope they’d be as hot as Ayla and Arianna, Lisa.
#114 How long has Tech’s offense been the way it has been these last two years or has it only recently changed.
113. Aphrodite
to recap …
”mr. vice president biden, madam speaker, mr. chief justice, and fellow citizens …
over the last year i have accomplished
2 trillion in new debt,
10% unemployment,
troops still in iraq,
even more troops in afghanistan,
gitmo still open,
GM in receivership,
Chrysler owned by fiat,
and
no public option … … … … … um … gotta go
thank you and god bless”
The entire CNN staff, Brooks.
You’re a riot, Lisa.
#115:
John Walsh?
112 – AIN, agreed about Sarah. I knew she would do that. She is a team player.
As for Liebermann, his currency is attention. If he is the deciding 51st vote, he would switch over. I’m sure of it.
It’s amazing a woman who claims to be a far-left socialist can post what LisaB types, Brooks.
#117:
Only the last two years, Tommy. Coach Johnson brought the triple option with him from Navy.
Now, he just needs some big, defensive linemen. We are badly undersized, there.
Tim? Who
The Chair of the Mass. Dem. Party, Brooks. If I’m not mistaken, he’s still it.
The host of america’s Most Wanted, Brooks.
LOL Thanks Tim.
i haaaaaaaate obama.
i liked him for about 10 seconds … until i realized he had no specifics … and then he called palin a pig …
now, i hate him
i just disliked kerry personally. he actually has been an ok senator.
a total dik … but an ok senator.
i have not liked a dem presidential candidate since dukakis.
lisab likes the shock effect of satire, Wes. Long ago, I gave up wondering what she really thought about anything…
Soros must be pissed. His effort for Marxism at 78 years old, all for Naught
So, putting aside what candidates we WANT to win, what candidates do we think will run for the GOP presidential nod in 2012?
I’m not sure Lisa knows what she thinks about anything, Tim. Her posts are nonetheless amusing though.
Tim, Bill Clinton really played his cards wrong. He was able to get Nelson and the Moderates to jump the cliff on HC, saying they needed to pass anything. That reasoning backfired in MASS
NY Senate(Rasmussen)
Gillibrand(D): 39%
Generic R(R): 34%
Ford(I): 10%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_york/election_2010_new_york_senate
Kasich,,,a man I admire and trust. Good family man; has
traditional values; financially savvy. I’d vote for him
in a second!
I’ll start, Wes. I think that Romney and Thune might both be in.
Lisa was a huge gloomer here last night. She freaked us on the Boston returns
Tim, you are a Southerner.does the mormon thing hurt Romney down there?
#135:
I think that 10% unemployment was the biggest issue, though
Lisab = Lib plant
“lisa likes the shock effect of satire” tm the toady
wow, you used the word “satire” correctly!!!!
somebody has been studying for their ged
DOW down 120.
Goldman Sachs bummed about Brown winning?
Brooks:
It will. But, strangely enough, being the former Governor of Massachusetts seems to worry the GOP ops I have talked to, more. Go figure…
“Lisab = Lib plant”
how can i be a lib plant when i openly admit to being both a liberal and a socialist?
#142:
LOL
I agree about Thune, Tim. I’m not sure about Romney. As for others, I think Perry may jump in as well as Coburn and Pence, assuming Pence doesn’t challenge and beat Bayh next year. Shadegg may also be retiring to focus on a presidential bid.
I still think she’s really a “he”, and is delivering those pizzas in Fargo.
There is no evidence to the contrary.
She’s not a plant, Mark. She’s just seriously confused. I think the utter lack of protein in her diet makes her delirious at times.
What about the rumors about Pataki, Wes?
and when coaxley had 88% of the vote in cambridge, i really did think she had a good shot.
88% are utah-like numbers
I think Palin, Romney, Pawlenty, and Thune/Mitch Daniels all get in. Perhaps Haley Barbour will as well.
Newt and Huckabee don’t run.
I think you all know who I expect to win and who I want to win.
Obama is now looking for a way to fool RINO and “moderates” into some form of fake compromise:
“Obama to Dems: Don’t jam through health care bill
Jan 20, 2:31 PM (ET)
WASHINGTON (AP) – President Barack Obama is telling Democrats not to “jam” a health care overhaul bill through Congress, instead urging them to coalesce around popular parts of the bill.
In an interview with ABC News, Obama said Wednesday that Congress must wait for newly elected Massachusetts Republican Scott Brown to be sworn into office before lawmakers move forward.
Brown won his election Tuesday to fill the seat long occupied by the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy. Brown will end the super-majority that would have allowed Democrats to pass Obama’s top domestic priority over united opposition from Republicans.
Brown campaigned against the proposed health care overhaul.”
Great news on CrappyCare – however the RINOs better not throw away this huge victory with a dumb “bipartisan” compromise now that Obama is pushing for “something popular and biparitsan”…..
Lets make sure they dont roll out the “wyden-bennett” compulsary insurance (individual mandate) scheme again….
The repulican dont need to take any sucker deal “compromises” – know “popular” insurance “regulation reforms” that will destroy private health insurance and medical care!
And absolutlely NO COMPULSARY INSURANCE SCHEMES ALA RomneyCare with Individual Mandates!:
From NRO:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGZiYTE1MDU5NzhkODUxMzFlMWE0Mzk0NGU2YTdhNTY=
“Felzenberg’s Advice [Ramesh Ponnuru]
I agree with the spirit of Al Felzenberg’s advice to Republicans but not every letter of it. Republicans should not seek a new health-care bill that includes a ban on insurance companies’ charging higher prices to people with pre-existing conditions. The political paradox of pre-existing conditions is that the ban is popular but can’t be accomplished in a popular way. The ban requires all kinds of other government interventions to sustain it. For example, you have to force everyone to buy insurance: Otherwise people would wait until they got sick and buy policies knowing that the insurance companies could not turn them down or charge them extra. You have to define what insurance policies have to cover, or else that mandate can be evaded. You have to offer subsidies for people who can’t afford the insurance policies that you’ve just made more expensive. Pretty soon you’ve got Obamacare.
The solution, I think, is to address the problem of people with pre-existing conditions in a different way. My own tentative preference is for the feds to put a lot more money into states’ high-risk pools (although this would have to be carefully structured) while making tax and regulatory changes to allow the emergence of an individual market in which the problem would shrink over time. (The problem, that is, is a consequence of the way existing federal policy encourages employer-provided insurance as opposed to insurance you own and can take with you from job to job.)”
Lisa,
So she actually outperformed Obama at least percentagewise in Cambridge? Strange but it appears that while her percentage was up, she didn’t get the turnout needed for that to matter.
I can’t get a damn feel on Pataki for anything, Tim. Looking him up on the net, all I get is that he’s thinking about running for President at some point and also looking at the race against the New York Bimbette. Even a friend I have up there who has connections in Pataki’s inner circle says he has no clue as to what the hell Pataki plans. At this point, toss a coin. It could go any way.
I disagree with you on Palin, Tommy. At this point, I just don’t see her running. I could be wrong, but Palin seems to have more of the feel of an activist than a candidate about her.
” she didn’t get the turnout needed for that to matter.”
yup.
however obama pretty much outperformed her everywhere.
she lost woburn, burlington, danvers, peabody, … basically middle-class whites.
she held boston, cambridge, provincetown, lexington and concord …
the rich, the poor, the black and the gay
Where’s Knight? He’d love this pic I just found of Brown’s older daughter.
#158 and Rdelbov – interesting on your voting % breakdown and Brown/Croakley supporters….
Seems the Croakley kept essentially groups that in one degree or another are dependent on the Federal govt for jobs or handouts – college areas, low income areas, minority areas….
Then EVERYONE is in the non-goverment dominated area or more directly – the areas dependent on the private sector went strong for Brown….
This is a very broad read on my part but essentially it looks like if you bank your personal $$$ from the Feds it was Croakley – if you worked for the a private enterprise and didnt have that connection you went heavily for Brown…..
This should be speaking volumes to people about how things are breaking down and why the left sees expaning govt employment, dependency aka HC takeover, student loan takeover, etc as keys for their political success…..
Not new news but the fractures here seem very very extreme based on the #s you presented….
Silver is now going to “investigate” SurveyUSA.
It’s really a left-on-left fight here because he seems to be insinuating that there’s something wrong with Firedoglake.
A word on the markets today. The DOW dropped significantly, as did precious metals. These losses were connected to the fact that the US Dollar Index spiked up significantly. Investors around the world know the significance of a 41st vote to stop the big-spending Democrat agenda.Brown’s victory gave the USD a much-needed boost of confidence, at least for the short term.
Whenever Nate is stuck in a corner he finds someone to fight. Fraud.
BTW – like both Lisa and Tim. I have had some knock down, drag outs here with Tim but we shake it off and move forward. I wouldn’t debate Lisa. It would be too frustrating.
Good to see Palin putting party unity first even though I am not a McCain fan.
Chances are they got along fine but the staffs didn’t. That happens all the time.
What did Olbermann say last night that is creating a stir? I am in Canada and there is no reporting on it.
http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2010/01/olbermann_goes_1.php
http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2010/01/plan_9_from_olb.php
#163:
It’s because we’re fellow drinkers, Mike.
That automatically makes you my kind of guy….
Thanks Jones.
I resemble that remark Tim!
Nate is ridiculous. Going after Survey USA? No wonder he attracts such morons commenting on his blog. I mean, even Kos isn’t as bad as 538.
I don’t know Mark. The Kos kids are nuts. Fun though. The 538 gang is annoying.
Could you imagine me with that Kos bunch, Mike? I’d wind up getting tossed from there….I’d make the mistake of telling them what I thought of their Pollyanna B.S….
Kos just has hard left ideologues who are pretty up front about not looking at reality/data.
538’s liberals try to act like they’re so objective but they twist data around until it becomes an unrecognizable cluster-f and act so shocked when election results come in and it’s nothing like what they envisioned.
Are we sure that Krolicki is a stronger candidate than either Tark or Lowdell? Didn’t he find himself facing serious legal allegations recently?
#172:
You got that about right. Good points.
Tommy, he got acquitted. He can garner the sympathy vote. I don’t know much about him, but I’m not at all impressed with Tarkanian or Lowden. This may be a good move.
No Tim. You would get banned fast.
174 – Tim, I think that Nate’s rambling blogs, especially the 20 or so he released trying to justify that the Brown-Coakley was a tossup (up till the day before election) have alienated any serious intelligent poll junkies.
Yes, it’s a trainwreck, but I like to rubberneck.
Pataki is too socially moderate for the party to be a presidential candidate. He’d get walloped in iowa, make a stand in new hampshire, and then get slaughtered in the southern states afterwards and have to maintain momentum. And that’s only if he for some reason became one of the frontrunners, he has little name recognition outside of New York.
Pataki is the best chance we have of taking the senate seat. If Masschussetts can go red so can New York. hell we had a republican senator there until the 90’s and the long-island GOP imploded.
FREEP is a sit on the right that I can’t take. I am a conservative but that site is just strange.
At one point, someone said Dr. Coburn was a RINO. That is nuts.
178 – With the current climate, I believe we can win 2 senate seats in NY. Not likely, but not outside the realm of possibility.
Lazio should run against the bimbo (or Bimbette, as some people on here call her)
Pataki runs against Schumer.
Mark,
I don’t want Lazio running against a woman. Chuck S is going to be tough to beat. He is no Coakley and has built up a solid base of support.
I want Pats against Gildy. Pats seems to think he can be POTUS. No way.
Mark,
I’d actually give Silverfish a break for calling it a toss-up.
Coakley seems to have gotten the margins she needed from liberal areas and Boston to make it a toss-up. What she didn’t get was the Obama turnout in these areas to get the race into a toss-up.
What about Thune, guys? For some reason, I can picture him in one of the spots on the Ticket.
Pataki has no charisma. Agreed on that point.
I think you’re right about Schumer, MD. Wishful thinking on my part…
But wait. I don’t think we could ever have a Republican senator from MA…
There is no one I’d like to see defeated more than Schumer. The arrogance towards the flight attendant sealed it for me. This type of behavior is what turns off voters and I think a good candidate on our side can successfully capitalize on it.
This may be why Pataki isn’t running against Bimbette:
From Wikipedia: “A member of a politically active family, Kirsten Rutnik was born and raised in Albany, New York. Her parents are Douglas P. Rutnik, an attorney and Democratic lobbyist with close ties to Republicans Al D’Amato and George Pataki,[4] and Polly Noonan Rutnik, also an attorney.”
185 Why then is D’Amato telling Lazio to switch to the senate race where he’ll support him against bimbette. Someone posted an article about this here the other day probably Brandon.
183 – I can as well Tim.
Hi gang
a few years ago I found here a funny pic clip with Hillary Bill Obama and Piglosi dancing together called campaignparty
where can I find it ???
Please help me!
187 – I have no idea.
Benny:
Seems like I recall Saturday Night Live doing a spoof like that. Maybe you can run it down on Google.
Under the right circumstances, anyone can lose even Chuck.
What did he say to a flight attendant?
186 – No clue! I’m having a bimbette moment here.
190 – Chuck refused to turn off his phone when the flight attendant asked a few times. Schumer called her a B and later apologized. Bimbette was sitting right beside him at this time.
Stand up Chuck!
The libs just can’t get over Brown saying that his daughters are available. No sense of humor.
WASHINGTON – Senate Democrats on Wednesday proposed allowing the federal government to borrow an additional $1.9 trillion to pay its bills, a record increase that would permit the national debt to reach $14.3 trillion.
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Guess they blew though that additional 300billion already from a few weeks ago.
Chek – Did you see Ed Schultz’s head explode? lol
The libs are just jealous that the Brown girls would be out of their league.
14.3 freaking trillion… Ouch. Today’s USD rally may be short-lived.
193… Libs are total Victorian prudes when it comes to women. Once again, they project their own characteristics onto others.
I could be happy with Lt. Gov K or Lowden or Tark.-I think any can beat Reid. heck I might could beat Reid this year.
What a joke some or our news sites are. Obama is suggesting that the senate and House leaders agree on a “scaled down” package of HC items. Basically his idea of scaled down is no public option-adjusting the caddy tax for union members and raising taxes on rich people to make up for the lost revenue from the union buy out. The other 2074 pages of Obamacare are all okay
What type of idiots does he think we are??
This is how sad the democrats are. They passed that senate bill on 12-24-2009. The house and senate started talking like they had all the time in the world and last week they boat was rocked. This week it may have been sunk.
I was fearful on that 12-22 to 12-24 period that they would rush a bill through the house that next week. Maybe they should have tried?? Might have passed. Now its on life support.
I said back then that only Reid-Obama-Pelosi could snatch defeat out of the hands of victory on HC. They, the DNC, Democratic senatorial committee, Mass democrat party and martha Coakley somehow did.
Reid went from king of the world on 12-24-2009 to a used up man. I think Durbin and Schumer are moving up next year whether Reid wins or loses.
Knighthawk that 300 billion covered them for three months
“The timetable to reach a global deal to tackle climate change lay in tatters on Wednesday after the UN waived the first deadline of the process laid out at last month’s fractious Copenhagen summit.
Nations agreed then to declare their emissions reduction targets by the end of this month. Developed countries would state their intended cuts by 2020: developing countries would outline how they would curb emissions growth.”
-FinTimes
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*giggle*
200 – 6 weeks according to the article.
The 41 R Senators should force the Dems to use reconciliation to raise the debt. Let’s see if they have the guts, and let them own it in a very public way if they do.
Equally amusing
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aPdhurDmpnhE
Warren you’re trying to apply some logic where it rarely exists.
203 – Or trade to kill tarp program in return and shut down one of Obama’s stash’s as Thune has proposed.
catch u all later.
I like that idea as well, Knight. It’s a whole new ball game in DC now!
The Democrats have had super majorities in both houses for over a year. Failure to produce and significant legislation meaningful to their base is a direct result of their fractious party, their coalition of disparate special interest groups, and their inability of govern.
They had a year and they blew and they will still cal the GOP the party of NO. What a bunch of half wits. I predicted this based upon the Democrats in Illinois inability to pass a budget when they control all branches of government.
Will Rogers said it best, “I belong to no organized party. I’m a Democrat.”
When Obama leaves office, January 20, 2013, I predict that Gitmo will still be open, troops will still be in Iran, Afghanistan, and Haiti, and there will be no cap and trade, minor health care reform, and Iran with a bomb.
What a dip ship.
The hopey-changey lemmings are depressed. They won’t vote for Republicans, but they won’t feel the obligation to get off their asses for the Dems, either. Good, let ‘em stay home.
HS
I am of two minds on the debt ceiling vote. I think its cowardly to oppose raising the debt limit after you have voted over and over again to spend the money. If you load up the pork wagon or even vote for any of the spending bills-I say man up and vote to raise the debt ceiling.
The democrats passed the last budget bill pretty much along party lines?
On the flip side where is going to stop??? Fiscal disclipine is an absolute joke on Capital hill. I am mad as heck but no I do not want to deflaut on our debt.
In attention as they say in the senate: point of order mr. President. Reconciliation can be used on spending measures. Raising the debt limit does not spend any money it only allows the government to borrow money that is specified in spending bills. The debt ceiling is also not a tax bill as it tax anything it just allows the treasury to borrow money.
The GOP, I think, wants some sort of committment to reduce the deficit when it passes the debt limit. I think??
I am going to go troll over at Kos for some laughs.,
The democrats failed because Obama failed. He tried to rule from the center of his party and only put in fleeting gestures of friendship to the Republicans. He’s also a terrible, terrible communicator. Every policy iniative he’s passed has been deeply unpopular and remains so despite giving a speech every week.
Even MSM media sources are noting it now. When Obama ran as president, he ran as a post-partisan candidate and as a symbol, not on any policies.
That’s come back to bite him in the ass every time he tries to pass something.
That’s the ticket, RD. The GOP needs to DEMAND spending cuts. One of three things is going to happen.
1- “Death by a thousand cuts” for the USD with continued debt limit increases and falling demand for US Treasuries. Bad.
2- Full-blown default of US national debt. Really bad.
3- Or, we CUT THE BLASTED, UNSUSTAINABLE SPENDING BINGE and start running this country the way any private individual or business has to run their finances.
The voters are screaming for “3″, and the Dems still don’t get it.
This is the kind of Fiscal discipline I want
to see. I hope he can pull it off. Bret Schundler
is the guy who can go head to head with the njea
Dem legislature. Union Senate leader. Christie
is gonna have his hands full but he’s comin out
chargin at em.
http://www.politickernj.com/editor/36250/quinnipiac-new-jerseyans-ready-fire-and-furlough-state-workers-59-view-corzine-failure
Shout out to the hhrs.
Hello, Tina.
I heard that if the US Treasury issues debt in excess of the debt ceiling, the Treasury Secretary is personally for the excess.
Hey, house sparrow.
No problem. Timmy will just use the same software he uses for his taxes to fix that little “problem”. Voila! 100 billion over the limit becomes 200 million under!
Scott Brown 24-Hours Later! Health Care For Everyone!
Submitted by IamVoting4RonPaul on Wed, 01/20/2010 – 23:04
in Current Events
Watch. Pay attention @ 5:31.
‘We’re past campaign mode. I think it’s important for everyone to get some form of health care. So, to offer a basic plan for everybody, I think is important.”
http://c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/01/20/HP/R/28644/Republic
180 – No way we can knock off Schumer! We’ve got to be careful that our side doesn’t get overconfident. Let’s not misread the results from Massachusetts.
We won there because of a “perfect storm”:
(1) Political winds blowing strongly in our direction.
(2) Perfect timing (approaching HCR vote, bad weather, 3-day weekend)
(3) Horrible opponent (overconfident, non-incumbant, gaffe machine)
(4) Solid, likeable, politically-matching Republican nominee who runs a great campaign.
Minus any of the above, Brown doesn’t win. To win again in any other solid blue state, we need the same “storm”. That’s why I don’t see any hope of beating Schumer, and I have serious doubts of our chances of knocking off Boxer. We need to concentrate on the races that are either very winnable or potentially winnable.
One thing to remember is that in 2012, the Democrats will be much more vulnerable, with many more seats to defend, including many freshmen senators running for reelection for the first time. If we can just get close this November, taking back the Senate in 2012 will be a near certainty.
Which pollsters were closest?
538 was off
whi is more hated by the dems?
a.) george bush
b.) sara palin
c.) marcia coakley
d.) scott brown?
Bush obviously.
“The abiding lesson of the last few years is that the battle for liberty requires perpetual vigilance. President Obama professes desire to foster prosperity, environmental protection, poverty reduction and better health care. How ironic, then, that his economic proposals so consistently ignore or even undermine the one system—free enterprise capitalism—that has proven best able to achieve those goals.”
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/01/20/the-u-s-isnt-as-free-as-it-used-to-be/#more-24256
THE MASSACHUSETTS HEALTH PLAN: MUCH PAIN, LITTLE GAIN
In 2006, Massachusetts enacted a sweeping health insurance law that mirrors the legislation currently before Congress. After signing the measure, Gov. Mitt Romney (R) wrote, “Every uninsured citizen in Massachusetts will soon have affordable health insurance and the costs of health care will be reduced.” The Cato Institute’s Aaron Yelowitz and Michael F. Cannon wonder if the legislation achieved these goals and what other effects it had?
Using the Current Population Survey data for 2008 to evaluate the Massachusetts law, Yelowitz and Cannon concluded:
Massachusetts’ individual mandate induces uninsured residents to conceal their true insurance status; even setting that source of bias aside, the official estimate reported by the Commonwealth almost certainly overstates the law’s impact on insurance coverage, likely by 45 percent.
In contrast to previous studies, there was evidence of substantial crowdout of private coverage among low-income adults and children; the law appears to have compressed self-reported health outcomes, without necessarily improving overall health.
More than 60 percent fewer young adults are relocating to Massachusetts as a result of the law.
Leading estimates understate the law’s cost by at least one third, and likely more.
The results hold important lessons for the legislation moving through Congress, say Yelowitz and Cannon. As in Massachusetts, there has been no effort to estimate the cost of the private health insurance mandates that legislation would impose on individuals and employers. The costs may therefore be far greater than legislators and voters believe, while the benefits may be smaller than the conventional wisdom about Massachusetts suggests.
Source: Aaron Yelowitz and Michael F. Cannon, “The Massachusetts Health Plan: Much Pain, Little Gain,” Cato Institute, Policy Analysis no. 657, January 19, 2010.
For text:
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11115
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I am from Illinois and under any circumstance would I vote for Mark Kirk!!! He is a RINO at best!!! He would be to the left of Olympia Snow he supports Gay Marriage,Partial Birth Abortion and voted for Cap and Trade. I am voting for Pat Huges who was endorced by the Tea Party here in Illinois along with Mark Lavin , Laura Ingrahm and Sandy Rios. If Kirk wins the GOP nomination I would vote for a 3rd party canadate !! I hope and pray that Pat Hughes wins!!!!
Jerry you probably wouldn’t have supported Brown in Mass because he isn’t the strongest of Pro Life votes. Guess what! It is NOT all about social issues, we have to run candidates who can win – and Kirk can win. He will vote with us on fiscal issues, and will have the pressure of the leadership on him – you saw what happens to those Democrats claiming to be moderates (see Nelson). Better a 60% GOPer then a 100% Democrat.
Your right I do have reservations about Scott Brown I don’t trust him and don’t forget he is a New Englander they are liberal I’m a Christain and God comes first in my life abortion is the most important issue then Gay marrage if we can’t get this country right on the Moral issues how can you expect it to be right fically? I believe to be fically conservative you must be morally conservative also. God is lifting his blessing on this Nation because we turned against him. You reap what you sow!!!No I would not vote for Scott Brown For President!!! Mark Kirk is much more to the left of Scott Brown!!! I would rather have a Democrat than Mark Kirk!!!
I’m going to support the only true Christain for President and that is Gov. Mike Huckabee he is the only canadate who can beat Obama. Sarah Palin has deeply diappointed me in backing both Gov. Rick Perry UI happen to support Debra Medina and Sen RINO himself in John McCain who wife is opposing a defence of marrage bill along with his daughter who is a lamebrain!!!!
No way I would vote for Williard Mitchell Romney I would vote for the Constitution Party canadate if he wins!!!
No Rinos!!!!