Make It Stop!
Global Warming continues unabated. From the National Weather Service:
Issued by The National Weather Service
Baltimore/Washington, MD
3:04 pm EST, Mon., Feb. 8, 2010… WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY TO 7 PM EST WEDNESDAY…
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR… WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY TO 7 PM EST WEDNESDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.
* PRECIPITATION TYPE… SNOW.
* ACCUMULATIONS… 10 TO 20 INCHES.
* TIMING… MID-AFTERNOON TUESDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY.
Honestly, we are flat out of space for snow in our neighborhood. I have no idea where we are going to be able to put an additional 20 inches of snow. This is really getting old….
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If there was any justice, the people who perpetrated this fraud would be fired and bound in the stockades so we can all toss some tomatoes at them. A full public shaming is required while we figure out their longer term punishment.
I hate to be an actual scientist these days. How can you trust any research. The entire field is in disrepute, IMO. If you can easily skirt the peer review process for this, what science can you trust? You can’t say physics or chemistry or any other research is above reproach. How do you honestly know?
make snow cones. lots of them. shovel the snow into creeks and rivers. just pike it out of the way. put in one big pile and them malke igloos for the kids to play in.
Was anyone besides me bothered that Sarah Palin quoted from Barry Goldwater in her Nashville speech? Should we continue to make a hero out of the GOP’s sad sack loser from 1964?
BPL, you AFLAC duck-loving nutcase, I didn’t even discuss why Goldwater lost in 1964. My point was that Goldwater was THE impetus that caused the Republican Party to lose the black vote from that point forward. Before Goldwater, the GOP was getting 30-50% of the black vote. After Goldwater, 5-15%. That, my duck-loving friend, is why our Republican leaders should not touch Barry Goldwater with a 10-foot pole! He’s poison. The man outright favored the right for employers and landlorders to discriminate. I know because I was alive at the time and my own father agreed with Goldwater.
p.s., BPL, I have never ever called in to the Mark Levin Show! I never would because that silly duck voice would have me laughing so hard I would wet my pants.
Hickenlooper does make very delicious beer. Just sayin’.
My thoughts regarding the snow-bound Washington, D.C: Let it snow, let it snow, LET IT SNOW!!!
If it shuts down government, then it prevents them from passing more laws to take away our freedoms.
To all the global warming advocates in D.C.:
SHOVEL IT!!
10 to 20 more inches? Whoa, got a second floor?
I don’t miss show at all. Pretty to look at though.
Iran’s boasting about an anniversary ‘punch’ which will stun West
this coming Thursday.
Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said on Monday that Iran is set to deliver a “punch” that will stun world powers during this week’s 31st anniversary of the Islamic revolution.
“The Iranian nation, with its unity and God’s grace, will punch the arrogance (Western powers) on the 22nd of Bahman (February 11) in a way that will leave them stunned,” Khamenei, who is also Iran’s commander-in-chief, told a gathering of air force personnel.
Pray for protection from these wicked and ungodly men. May what they have planned for the West, come upon their own heads.
Ain
I think you are a bit too hard on Barry G. There could be no reaction without an equal and oppisite reaction. Barry G. voted against several of the major civil rights acts of the 1950’s and 1960’s. yet most republicans voted for them and actually more GOP members % voted yes then no. Sure Goldwater was the Presidential nominee in 1964 but if you had a crystal ball in hand in 1964 and said you would never have another moderate GOP nominee (like Dewey or Rockefeller or Warren or Wilkie or even Ike) again you would be in the reincarnation of Jean Dixon.
No one could tell with absolute certainty in 1964 whether the future of the GOP would look like George Romney or Barry Goldwater. In fact George Romney-moderate on social issues-conservative on economics-pro civil rights looked like the certain nominee in 1968. So to say Barry Goldwater destroyed the GOP in the black community is hogwash.
I might add that Spiro T. Agnew (remember him) got a huge proportion of the black vote in MD in 1966 as Chuck Percy, Romney, Rockfeller, Scranton and other GOP candidates in 1966.
Here’s my theory. LBJ absolutely raised the ante in woeing the AA community. He went all on civil rights-great society spending programs-anti poverty programs plus Thurgood Marshall for the surpreme court. Those liberal policies drove almost of the conservative southern democrat voters away from the democratic party. Look at the democratic candidates for President in 1968 -HHH-RFK and McCarthy. When Humphrey is the moderate in the democratic party you know the party went left and I mean hard left. Moderate GOP types could not compete with that and AA’s became 90% democratic.
Goldwater did not lose the blacks for the GOP-LBJ went out and won them. He basically traded all the blacks for all the southern white democrats.
LBJ was driving this change and the GOP just picked up the pieces of what they could.
#11 Basically, LBJ got blacks hooked on the drug called “government handouts” – you know, the scheme were the government uses force to take others peoples money so that the politicans can create dependecy and buy votes….
Kind of like they want to do with HC…..thats why it never will go away with the Obama/hard left crowd running thing…..HC is the ultimate long-term power/vote buying grab……this one traps the WHOLE middle class ie tens of millions into getting a government check to buy their “private” insruance for HC….
That why we will have this fake summit on Feb 25th….
AIN, you ignorant slut: Let’s just agree you have some “father issues” & leave it at that.
You’ve never met Goldwater, not do you have a clue about why the black vote has gone Demoncrap since ‘64.
Sure, we should be more like McGovern, Carter & Clinton going forward in order to scam an extra 10% of the black vote, which comes out to an extra 1% nationally. That’ll work. Instead, GOP should tick off the resulting 5% white vote by being more liberal & handout-friendly. That would cost about 4% nationally. Net loss of about 3%.
Let’s see: You’ve failed national & AZ politics, now math.
Why not babble on about your knowledge of Shakespeare & fail another course for us.
rdelbov and Wylie,
I see your points, and perhaps I’d moderate a little. But then again, in his famous “Conscience of a Conservative”, Goldwater openly supports his stand that employers and landlords should have the right to discriminate against whomever they want to discriminate against. (As I said, I’ve argued this a hundred times with my Dad, who angrily supported Goldwater’s claim.) When this angry extremist (Barry G) was willing to put such a repugnant thing in print and to say so in public, and he was the “face” of the GOP and the conservative movement, it wasn’t hard for liberals to “prove” that all conservatives are racists. Goldwater gave them the evidence.
BPL,
Quit spewing duck-voiced talking points! How about, instead of throwing out silly insults — try answering a question:
Do YOU support Goldwater’s stand, that employers and landlords should have the right to discriminate against whomever they want to discriminate against?
BPL,
Follow-up question: Should today’s GOP follow Goldwater’s stand on discrimination? Why or why not?
BPL=Eph
Where is TimV?
Yet more legalized vote buying with tax dollars:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Public-sector-unions-bleed-taxpayers-to-help-Dems-83652517.html
“Public-sector unionism is a very different animal from private-sector unionism. It is not adversarial but collusive. Public-sector unions strive to elect their management, which in turn can extract money from taxpayers to increase wages and benefits — and can promise pensions that future taxpayers will have to fund.
The results are plain to see. States such as New York, New Jersey and California, where public-sector unions are strong, now face enormous budget deficits and pension liabilities. In such states, the public sector has become a parasite sucking the life out of the private-sector economy. Not surprisingly, Americans have been steadily migrating out of such states and into states like Texas, where public-sector unions are weak and taxes are much lower.
Barack Obama is probably the most union-friendly president since Lyndon Johnson. He has obviously been unable to stop the decline of private-sector unionism. But he is doing his best to increase the power — and dues income — of public-sector unions.
One-third of last year’s $787 billion stimulus package was aid to state and local governments — an obvious attempt to bolster public-sector unions. And a successful one: While the private sector has lost 7 million jobs, the number of public-sector jobs has risen. The number of federal government jobs has been increasing by 10,000 a month, and the percentage of federal employees earning over $100,000 has jumped to 19 percent during the recession.”
#17. BPL is too coherent for it to be Eph.
AIN and BPL: Round 450 by my count.
Brandon, have you noticed Wilye has finally started aiming for a bit more conciseness in his posts?
Honestly, I still don’t read them. I don’t care much for “sky is falling” type posts.
I agree. I mjust skim his posts. Still, he seems to have decided not to hijack the threads with posts that make Don Quixote look like a short story anymore.
#16 Goldwaters stand on “discrimination” is that private citizens are adults and should be allowed to make their own choices with their property, money, and dealing with their fellow citizens…
Goldwater opposed state-sanctioned infringement on rights aka jim crow that the Democrats had traditionally supported….
The liberal/leftist “solution” went far beyond simply ending government sactioned/uncontitutional infringement on individual rights but also strove to use the FORCE of government in equally destructive ways to legislate everyone’s private affairs/property so as they would be “nice” to each other. The creation of “affrimative action” and the like served to perpetuate yet more rights violations and intervention thus continuing/perpetuating racial problems when societal pressures alone where effectively ending discrimination already.
Even worse, the liberals promised that government forced “solutions” to racial problems where predicated that government intervention could produce utopia when in fact they perpertuated the racial problems and create whole new ones to boot!
Great for politicans – bad for the individual and society as a whole!
Your supposed ??? is pointed and misleading….
Of course the goal of every American, which Conservatives fully support is full equality of every individual in protection of their rights and freedoms….thats one of the core functions of government: equal protection of individual rights……and if we consistently seek that from government racial questions become a moot point….
Politcally speaking, right after Goldwater came Nixon who generously gave into all manner of liberal welfare and other affirmative action programs so your premise that this statement is the reason for the nearly monolitic voting behavior by blacks we see to today is faulty….clearly dependcy has much more to do with it….
Wes, you just jinxed it. See 25. LOL
AIN and BPL: Round 450 by my count.
Comment by Wes — February 8, 2010 @ 6:55 pm
Sorry about this. I brought up Goldwater, as per whether or not Sarah Palin should have quoted him. Wylie and rdelbov gave some good discussion points, but BPL gave nothing but insults. So now, after defending Goldwater, does BPL have the guts to answer my questions (see #15 and #16 above)? I doubt it, he’s gutless.
Wes – Shout out too ya, thanks for being the posting police!
Brandon – the sky is not falling, however reality is reality….wishful thinking doesnt change that!
That’s still not quite so bad as some of his posts, Mark.
Oh, now I’m the posting police for praising Wilye because he posted some less annoyingly longwinded posts. Sometimes you just can’t win.
All well and good, Wylie. But can YOU (since BPL is too gutless to) answer the simple Yes/No questions:
(1) Do YOU support Goldwater’s stand, that employers and landlords should have the right to discriminate against whomever they want to discriminate against?
(2) Should today’s GOP follow Goldwater’s stand on discrimination? Why or why not?
Please don’t go off on further extremes like affirmative action, etc. These are Yes/No questions.
Remember Wylie,
Some here were posting months ago, that the Rs could not stop the Obumblercare…
#26 Do you people have reading comprhension problems or ADD? Or maybe carpal tunnel?
If you dont like it, scroll on past it – computer technology is wonderful if used correctly….
Again, I see many many others on here posting stuff equally as long or frustratingly annoying in their particular personal fixation….
But I dont whine like a child….
I meerly choose to read and engage the ones that interest me….
But, hey, all can say what they want on here so have at it…..
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/02/08/breaking-mike-pence-endorses-marco-rubio/
I’ll answer, AIN:
1) I would have supported federal intervention against discrimination through the use of a constitutional amendment rather than federal law that violates the 10th amendment.
2) Today’s GOP should try to adopt the language of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act (minus the language targeted at Southern states) through the amendment process. That will assure their continued presence in our law and eliminate all questions about their constitutionality.
“All well and good, Wylie. But can YOU (since BPL is too gutless to) answer the simple Yes/No questions:
(1) Do YOU support Goldwater’s stand, that employers and landlords should have the right to discriminate against whomever they want to discriminate against?
(2) Should today’s GOP follow Goldwater’s stand on discrimination? Why or why not?
Please don’t go off on further extremes like affirmative action, etc. These are Yes/No questions.”
Yes, it is a free country. At least, that’s what I have been told.
I thought we need to have a big tent.
Was I the only one who saw Goldwatern deliver his speech in 1963 at the Cow Palace?
That’s not really a surprise, Howie.
I certainly didn’t see it, Tina, since I wasn’t born till 15 years later.
Tina,
I think I saw it, but had no concept of what was happening. I was 6 years old at the time.
LOL
http://www.hulu.com/watch/126490/saturday-night-live-rahm-emanuel
I just happened to walk the floor, but it was during my years of haze and fog, so I really do not remember that much.
Actually, from 1964 to 1968, I do not remember much.
Ugh…Make it stop. My girlfriend’s playing AC/DC’s TNT.
#31 Dont we want a society free of government intervention in the lives of individuals – dont we want equality under the law – thats what Goldwater was saying – why arent we trying to convience every American thats a proper view – thats my ?….
My other question is, other then for the sheer value of political demogogory, what practical benefits have the laws governing private conduct/behavior produced – I stated they replaced one bad government intervention (jim crow laws/government sanctioned violation of rights based on race) and replaced them with another bad government intervention (regulation of private conduct and property) that has simply perpetuated racial animosities (at best) or in alot of cases made them worse.
So you are a “conservative” but you beleive its the Federal governments role to intervne and violate private property rights, private behavior, and now with the new “thought crimes” bill what we think or say?
Good grief….no wonder liberals always run circles around Republicans or conservatives as we punt the argurement right up from and agree that the use of government intervention/force can bring about utopia and “solve” every manner of human imperfection.
Let’s see:
AIN v BPL
AIN v Wilye
For a fairly innocuous poster, you certainly make enemies on this board, AIN.
Sorry, Wylie, while I’m not for Big Government intervention over our entire lives, there are some things that are so evil that government has a God-given role in policing. Things like illicit drugs and prostitution. You may not agree, but I put overt discrimination in that category too. I’m not advocating taking the next steps and going to affirmative action and other such liberal things. But good grief, can we not at least ensure that people are not excluded from good jobs and good housing, simply because of the color of their skin?
Wes – You see, AIN is just the type that always needs to have the last word. And when he does, he has to continue beat that last word into the ground, a few more times for good measure. He is also a repetitive/redundant poster. I think, beyond anything (I am actually on his side on many issues), he’s just really irritating.
“government has a God-given role in policing….
No government has a God-given right for anything. Read the Constitution, for a change.
For a fairly innocuous poster, you certainly make enemies on this board, AIN.
Comment by Wes — February 8, 2010 @ 7:23 pm
I hope Wylie doesn’t see me as an “enemy”, do you? (Quite honestly, I think he’s more upset with you, Wes.)
Honestly, I think BPL is the enemy-maker. Last week he was ripping into MD, KnightHawk, and even you. And today he was attacking Chekote as well.
I can think of a few posters I consider to be much mor eirritating than AIN, Mark.
“And today he was attacking Chekote as well.”
That’s just public service.
Just from curiosity, does anyone know what the Superbowl commercial of the woman in the hot tub was for? I can’t remember what it was advertising.
Wes – I agree. Doesn’t make AIN’s posts any less irritating to me though.
He’ll get over being upset with me, AIN. At least I think he will. If not, then, oh, well…
Motorola phone.
I know, I noticed. Sorry.
Mark,
I have no desire for any “last word”, but sometimes idiots like BPL like to take shots at me when I’m away. If I’m irritating, tell me how irritating it is when your friend BPL cannot answer simple questions. Is this guy as gutless as he seems?
That was funny, Sam. Everyone at the Superbowl party I was at burst out laughing when the woman walked up to the bathroom door and said, “What are you doing?!” That was incredibly risque.
Mark,
I have no idea why you’ve turned on me. We used to be cool. Are you in some kind of Survivor-like “alliance” with BPL? If so, tell him to answer simple questions.
For the record, I have nothing against you.
Well, look at it this way, AIN: At least BPL’s not Jerry R Withrow.
The irony is that Goldwater was nominated by Sen. Everett Dirksen of Illinois (calling him the peddler’s grandson). It was Dirksen’s way of getting back at the Eastern Establishment for 1952. That year Dirksen nominated Taft, and during his speech he looked down from the podium at the New York delegation and Thomas E. Dewey, pointed at Dewey and said, in effect, we followed you twice before and you led us down the road to defeat. So, 1964 was Dirksen’s chance to give the Rockefeller crowd a poke in the eye.
At the same time he was the leading Republican negotiator with the Johnson White House in crafting the Civil Rights bill, and responsible for lining up a lot of GOP votes for it. That’s been lost in the fog of history and propaganda. But there never would have been any Civil Rights bills without strong GOP support. Goldwater,however, pissed all that away with his campaign–carrying about the same states as Strom Thurmond did at the Dixiecrat nominee in 1948 (plus Arizona, of course).
Dirksen was one of the wiliest politicians ever to come out of Illinois and he managed to serve in both the House and Senate and as Senate Minority Leader without getting the stench of Illinois politics on him. But believe it, he knew the ins and outs of Illinois politics like few others. Harold Rainville was his staffer that kept the finger of the pulse in Illinois.
Too bad Dirksen died and was replaced by a lightweight who subsequently lost the seat and sent it into 40 years where the Dems held it for all but one term during that time.
Dirksen was a good man and indeed a wiley politician; a shame his opponents lambasted him as a buffoon and got away with it. The man’s flowery rhetoric was probably too much for them to handle without exploding their heads.
This is for Knighthawk and MD whenever they sign back on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNjM0ISi6nU
They never could beat him though, George, no matter how much they tried.
In fact, George, in 1950 Dirksen beat sitting Senate Majority Leader Scott Lucas by a healthy 8 points. Only three sitting senate Majority Leaders have lost their reelection bids thus far, though Harry Reid will soon make it five.
If Reid runs, that is.
Here is another for all you new advocates of the use of government intervention to socially engineer utopia….
Government intervention WAS the problem here….
Government didnt “solve” or “end” discrimination…..
The American people did that!
When our attitudes changed, well the polticians simply followed that….
Once the original government intervention ended, then societal pressures alone would have been sufficient to bring about much better racial harmony then we often see today (and our current disharmony is mainly due to overreaching government interferenece!) – we would not be a “utopia” but more closer to the ideal of a colorblind society then what 4 decades of more bad government interventions has produced.
We cannot continue to think that the use of force thru government intervention can engineer utopia in race relations or any other sphere of life…..
Why would we agree to government intervention force to “solve” discrimination? Would not the loss of economic gain and social scorn have the same effect? Why do we suddenly drop our principles and asccced to the premise of government intervention when it might be momentarily politically unpopular or we may falsely be slurred by the left with false charges of “racist” etc?
I guess the point this whole rehtorical execise is to supposedly tait myself or this BPL fellow as “racists” if we dont repudiate Goldwater and agree that government intervetion can “solve” racial issues by regulating private conduct….
Sigh, I will agree with you due to four decades of the GOP and conservatives not consistently arguing for equal protection of individual rights that it was polically foolish for anyone running for office to advocate this position – however, it does not make the this as an ideal untrue (that individuals have a right to their property and to their own conduct provided they dont violate the rights of others)…..
And politically conservatives and the GOP will continue to get pummeled by liberals on this until they consistent make their case for individual rights/freedoms without our fear of being slurred as “racists” etc.
Here is an article I suggest you and other read that may open you mind a bit on this subject:
http://andrews.blogtownhall.com/2008/03/15/private_versus_public_racism.thtml
Four, I mean. Daschle was Senate Minority Leader when he lost, but his 2004 loss combined with Reid’s pending defeat will mean five sitting senate floor leaders of either the minority or the majority will have lost their reelection bids.
I would like some of this gold water everyone is talking about, please. I could use the cash.
Cook has already moved Murtha’s seat to a toss-up.
Also, he has updated the potentially vulnerable seats… even if you do not like cook, this is a very nice pdf that gives the key votes, previous % won, voting index, and opponents cash raised all on one line.
http://www.cookpolitical.com/sites/default/files/riskfactorsfebruary.pdf
He’ll run, Sam. The Dems can’t replace him as they did Dodd, for they have no bench in Nevada beyond him.
Wes lusting again.
Well, at least I’m lusting a woman in a bathtub rather than a bald Marxist, Chek.
Daschle might as well have been Majority Leader; he certainly acted like he was after the ‘02 debacle. I was thrilled to see him go down; probably one of the best Senate contests I have seen just for that element (I was heartbroken to see Cranston slip by Zschau back in ‘86; I was young, but my mom and dad had really high hopes for him. At least I got to see Deukmejian rimp all over Bradley – something like twenty plus points).
#46 Then you are trying to engineer utopia thru government force….
Again, most people are rational and well intended – the resulting loss of economic gain to competiors (ie not hiring someone based on race) or social scorn would be much more effective at acheiving your sated aims with I fully agree with….
However, if you do not support affirmative action or the rest of the laws that use government force to regulated private behavior, attitude, and spech on race, gender, etc then you agree with me….
I want government to use its force to equally enforce our basic individual rights as enumerated in the constitution…..it does that well and that a core function of governemt (protection of rights)….
Besides, Chek, Megan Fox despite her obvious lack of anything remotely resembling intelligence, is an incredibly beautiful woman.
But there never would have been any Civil Rights bills without strong GOP support. Goldwater,however, pissed all that away with his campaign–carrying about the same states as Strom Thurmond did at the Dixiecrat nominee in 1948 (plus Arizona, of course).
Comment by George — February 8, 2010 @ 7:37 pm
George is dead right!
Wylie, I’m not accusing anyone (except maybe Barry G) of being a racist. If you read my initial posts on this topic, I said that my own father (RIP) was big into supporting Goldwater’s position on this, but that my Dad was not a racist.
#72
Megan Fox is just as liberal as Van Jones.
I bet Daschle wishes he hadn’t engineered the theft of the 2002 Senate race now, George. All things considered, I’m sure if he knew Thune was going to humiliate him in 2004, he would have thrown Johnson under the bus first chance he got. There would have been none of the dead Indians, partisan Dem counting of ballots, and screwing woith precincts’ closing times had Daschle known Thune would not be discouraged by the overt theft of that race. Johnson would have gone down–hard.
Vis-a-vis that factor list of Cook’s, I am pleased to see that Allen West has over $700K in the bank. I look forward to taking that seat back.
69 – DrJay, thanks for the link. I just geeked out on that list. Glad to see Kennedy (RI-01) on it.
She’s also incredibly stupid, Chek. That doesn’t take away from the fact that she’d be a prime notch on a bedpost.
Where is Allen West running, George?
Ben Nelson says he will vote no on cloture for the nomination of Craig Becker.
#75
Same with Van Jones and Scott Brown. Extremely sexy men.
Why are we arguing about Barry Goldwater?
Wes – FL-22. Palm Beach. It’s a D+1 area and we have a great shot at the seat.
#45 I dont mind the banter, it just seems that this AIN fellow is misguided at best in his beleif that extra-Constitutional government intervention/force is warrented to bring about utopia in race relations, sexual behavior, drug intake etc….I am hoping to open his mind a bit….
I have no illusion about ever “changing” or persuding anyone on HHR to view things my way as this is about the most strongly opinionated bunch on the blogs I have encountered…..a dam smart on their info/rhetoric and great debaters too lol
He would score a couple more points with me if he argued (at least for drugs and prostitution) that such conduct is rightly regulated by the police powers given the states in the 9th and 10th amendments ie Federalism
However, no government state or federal has the right to violate basic individual rights (life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness) to enforce some unobtainable utopian vision of niceness!
Van Jones may be stupid, Chek, but Scott Brown is definitely not.
Scott Brown is the future of the GOP. Mark my words. We have been looking for someone to reshape the image of the GOP.
Van Jones is not stupid. He has bought into the socialist/leftist philosophy like the vast majority of AAs.
He may be in some areas, Chek, but nationally I think the party is too diverse for any one person to be the face of its future.
Doc provides great links.
At times Ain can be irritating but at least he is open to suggestions.
BPL called me a Lib troll. I am not making that up.
BPL called me a Lib troll. I am not making that up.
That is why it is important to keep a sense of humor while posting at HHR. LOL!
Here is my favorite quote on government enforced utopianism for race relations:
“What is not a function of government is eliminating private racism. And, sadly, this is an issue where conservative and liberals differ. To a liberal, it is the purpose of the state to make those who hold “the wrong ideas” to change their minds. In other words, it is the purpose of the state to eliminate private racism, and racism will not be over until not one person in America holds racist views.
Opposed to this over-reaching, impossible goal, the conservative position is this: Every individual is entitled to their own beliefs, and it is not the purpose of the state to change them. Should you wish to be a racist, you are free to do so. In fact, true conservatives (at least on the libertarian wing of the party) argue that racists should even have the right to run their stores and businesses using their own beliefs, as forcing integration simply because it is a “public accommodation” is to violate their property rights. But even if we do not go that far, it is still the conservative position that racism will be with us forever, and, if it ever does disappear, it will be because of social pressure and private changes of heart, not through governmental action, that it is not the role of the state to change man’s heart, just to regulate his behavior.
And that makes this kind of a microcosm of the whole liberal-conservative divide. Conservatives know their limitations and have humility about their beliefs. We do not know if we are right or wrong on all things, so we do not want to impose our will on everyone else. Instead we want to let each put forth his own views and let the best idea win out. We will be happy once we have the government purged of explicit racism, individual racism is a matter for individuals to sort out on their own.”
http://andrews.blogtownhall.com/2008/03/15/private_versus_public_racism.thtml
Of course AIN is not unique in his belief that the use of government force can make 100% of the people behave and think in a manner we deem “correct” – I dont disagree with his stated goal – I just disagree that the use of government force can bring about better results then individual left to their own devices and thru economic and social pressures that do not bring about the many many bad side effects of another bad government intervention.
A lib troll, MD? You? Dude, you make me look like Che Guevara–anbd I’m definitely no liberal. Methinks BPL’s been partaking of something not entirely legal under current state or federal law.
MD, hahaha that’s funny.
#92 Are you a liberal troll? Confess now if you are!
If so, you do a great job in fooling all of us!
BPL is Eph. It is an act.
I just checked CQ’s congressional map for this cycle. Where the hell do they get their ratings? Begala and Carville are more accurate than those clowns.
Well, Polaris, and I do like his contributions and respect him highly, wanted DW to check my IPN or whatever. I think we all have bady days from time to time aka short fuses.
Who is this bPl??? I have not read any of his posts.
#82 West is running in FL – forgot the exact district….
But his a GREAT candidate with the right conservative ideas!
A retired militray guy to boot!
Yeah, I would like to see more of him in the near future!
Carville was seen on tv – post game – down in the field. Why do the Drats have to ruin the SB?
BPl in Scottsdale, Tina. He and AIN have been feuding lately. It’s like watching a UFC match here on the HHR when those two engage.
MD – I was called a Paulbot. I feel ya.
CQ lists that race as safe Dem, Wilye–for what it’s worth.
Wes, I have tried to moderate my posts/tone here since Brown’es election. I want to be viewed as a centrist poster here.
Scottsdale, ah I remember that city, cost me $350 for one night at a suite.
I’ve tried the same, Tina. Some posters–such as Bunu/Acroso/Invalid 1-850,000–(I probably shouldn’t have mentioned him since demons can be summoned by the mention of their names) really bring out thew worst in me though.
There’s no way BPL is Eph. They have distinctly different blogging styles.
#76 Politically and historically speaking thats true…..his honest and correct statements were not in-synch with the general tenor of the times ie a public that had nearly 50 years of activist/interventionist government from both parties
As a major Presidental candidate, that was not wise politically speaking for the times he was in…..nobody disagreed with the history of the politics…of course, Liberals and big government types simply piled on to this nonsense and their was no historical evidence at the time of the bad results of the lefts new round of interventionist policies would have on race relations either….
We do have that now (the failed history of government intervention via affrimative action, etc) and to ignore it would be foolish….
However, as a truism or a matter of conservative principles this should be the desired goal for all – equal protection of all individual rights
I quickly reviewed Cook’s list of potentially vulnerable Dems in the House.
As I have been posting for a few months, I see about 115 Dem seats as seriously vulnerable (Cook shows 109 potentially vulnerable).
I fully expect about 60-75% of these seats to fall, based on today’s climate. If the situation worsens for the Dems (e.g. over 10 point generic preference gap), most of these 115 will fall.
Sam, thanks for the analysis. I was wondering if you had any percentages from last cycle (of vulnerable GOP seats – and what # and/or percentage fell). Was it in the 60-75% range?
#106 Wasnt West reasonably close in 08 for the same seat?
I would suspect that his chances should be much better in 10 in a wave election year….
Some of you politcal guru types can probably speak better to his 10 chances….
However, having seen and heard the man speak on a couple of occassions I am impressed with him personally and with his principles/philosophy…
Only twice in US history has one party dropped over 100 seats in a single election, Sam: 1894 and 1932. Both were because of rough economic times and Presidents perceived to be incapable of dealing with the country’s problems. Although I have to say it’s unlikely Republicans will make a triple-digit gain this year, the possibility in the current climate–however honestly slender–is there.
West lost about 55-45 in a really bad year. Klein won hist first term something like 52-48, so he’s not safe.
WEC – Klein beat West 55-45. West entered the race late, so now that he’s had a full year to prepare for this rematch, in addition to the GOP wave year, he should be on track to win.
Klein beat Shaw in 2006–in part because of the Foley revelation a month before the election. I wouldn’t consider him safe either.
while the plant keeps up her act, I trust everyone else has been amused by knova’s return.
I guess I will have to come up with a new catch phrase everytime I get frustrated with HHR posters:
“Good Grief, AIN! A bit of government intervention is only nice!”
#119 Where is this KNOVA sighting you speak of?
Methinks me missed it!
Lets here it for public sector unionism!
http://rightwingnews.com/2010/02/why-unions-are-dangerous-in-education/?comments=show#comments
“Why Unions Are Dangerous in Education
(Read WP posts from Warner Todd Huston) | (Read MT posts from Warner Todd Huston)
One would think that a teacher that had 30 some years ago allegedly impregnated a 16-year-old student, a few years later sexually accosted two 12-year-old students, and was accused of molesting yet another student four years after that, would be out on his ear never to teach or be allowed around children again.
But the New York teachers union would beg to differ.
In fact, the union has differed so much that troubled teacher Francisco Olivares has been continually paid his $94,154 a year salary even though he’s been kept from the classroom for the last seven years.
So, who cares what the union says about this guy? Unfortunately, the union’s resistance to getting rid of him is enshrined in state law. The school can’t get rid of this dead weight either.”
The democrats “HC deform” power grab continues – they really want the holy grail of one party rule enshried in law!
http://rightwingnews.com/2010/02/obama-getting-desperate-on-health-legislation-convening-summit/?comments=show#comments
“This begs the question, will Obama listen to the Republican proposals? Even more important, will Nancy Pelosi and/or Harry Reid? Will any of them act on the proposals? Pass the bottle of Doubtful. This is pure desperation, a bit of smoke and mirrors, and will be a tag teamed heavily partisan event, devoid of listening from Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, and simply a method in which to make it appear as if Republicans are being listened to, when they are actually being lectured and beaten around the ears. Then they will attempt to smash the same old unpopular health system legislation through Congress.”
As an added bounus, the article has a great link to an expose on the failing Compulsary Insurance scheme in HI:
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20100207/NEWS01/2070353/Hawaii+may+delay+payments+to+Quest+health+plan
Sorry to bring my brawl with AIN out into public view, but the bar-owner told us to take it outside.
MD – My apologies if I unfairly tarred you as a troll. If you multiple people to vouch for your right-of-center cred, then I take it back. However, much of your prior banter was troll-sounding. I’ll drop it & just leave it like that. No harm, no foul I hope you’ll agree.
Carry on folks, I’ll be back later after dinner. Please tell AIN I do have the guts to answer his questions. It’s called taking a break from the computer for an hour or so.
Which reminds me: Where did he go for the last hr + ? Does the massage parlor close early in his neighborhood or something?
#124 He is out making sure that the government applies force to “solve” the “crisis” of bringing “good housing, health care, and jobs” to everyone…..
I wish he would tell me what “good” is when it comes to housing etc…
Lets say for housing, is “good” housing 3 bedrooms, 2500 square feet, and an MSNBC cable feed?
Excellent. The House GOP tells Obama to stick it. http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/2010/02/08/confirmed-house-gop-will-not-meet-with-obama-unless-health-care-starts-over-from-square-one/
#126 Yep – excellent. The party of stupid may be wising up – this was a sucker deal politically speaking from the get go….
Its just an effort to enflate the leftist tired “party of NO” MeMe and to jump start their polical power grab/government run HC disguised as a “HC reform”
OK Wylie. Curious how you feel about CrappyCare passing after today’s events. Besides the obvious chance at a pickup for Murtha’s seat, one of my first political thoughts about this was that this throws a big wrench into healthcare and the chances that Pelosi can get her votes.
#126
Good move. Obama is NOT interested in changing his approach to HC reform. All he wants is an excuse to say that he “reached out to the GOP” and they turned him away. It is all PR. He is not interested in listening.
Thank god. We may have some smart people after all in the GOP.
Yup, that is a good move, do not throw a life line to Mr. 43%. I believe NRO has a picture that is on a roadway of President Bush – it says Miss Me? Go to that site for a good laugh.
TB- the R leadership leads a lot to be desired, no doubt. Its good though that they made the ultimatum. They should know that they will get blamed regardless.
Speaking of heathcare, I believe its dead and have said so for a while.
Piglosi will have to ponder her next move – but right now she is enjoying a lift on Maiden Lane.
“Only twice in US history has one party dropped over 100 seats in a single election, Sam: 1894 and 1932.”
Wes, we are living in historic times.
A black man elected president of the US – historic
Approval decline for first-year president – historic
Total cramdown of marxism – historic
VA governor winning by one of the widest margins ever – historic
A Rep winning a senate seat in the land of Camerlot – historic
Independents turning against the incumbent party by 2:1 margins – historic
75% of the country “angry” or “very angry”, per Rasmussen today – historic
Why would 2010 mid-terms be not historic?
#103 Yeah, I saw Snakehead when Payton was speaking on the stage after the game.
All you need to know about goldwater is that Jackie Robinson campaigned for Nixon in 60 and 4 years later he was a democrat. Imagine if Jackie Robinson had stayed a republican until his death.
#113:
Mark Cali, I believe that, in 2006 and 2008 each, about 30 Rep seats were considered vulnerable, and most were lost (including some that were not considered vulnerable). Off hand, I cannot recall any so-called vulnerable Rep seats surviving.
FWIW
And Mark, in the Senate in 2006 and 2008, almost all vulnerable Reps lost, except perhaps Corker in 2006 (open seat) and the GA seat in 2008.
Independents turning against the incumbent party by 2:1 margins – historic
Indeed.
Exits in the last off year election had Democrats winning independents 58-39.
I haven’t seen a RAS weekly poll in two months where Republicans were not leading indies by at least 20 and up to 25. That kind of a swing is unprecedented in my lifetime.
The ramifications of that kind of swing – well, we can all do the math.
I’m not where Sam is on the number of GOP seats gained. However, I find myself inching further i that direction each and every week.
The only problem I see was underscored by karl rove on hannity’s radio show today:”things are looking too good too early”
I fear the gop has peaked 9 months too soon. We’ll see
I am tempted to defend Barry Goldwater some more but my time is short tonight. I don’t have 24 hours in a day-Jack B does-so to HC it is.
Yup Boehner and Cantor want to meet on HC but they want Obama to drop Obamacare and start over again. It addition they want Reid and Durbin to surrender on Reconciliation. They want a do over and a fresh start from last May when the GOP proposed meeting on HC to move a bipartisan bill.
Great idea. Kick while they are down. You want to climb into the GOP lifeboat surrender your weapons.
If unemployment remains high it will be impossible for the GOP to peak. There will be absolutely nothing to change the game. In fact, if unemployment remains the same, backlash against Democrats will only grow as people get more frustrated that nothing is getting done. Hope and change will feel more hollow with every passing month.
Folks, believe me when I say this, I have not seen such anger and fear among people in my lifetime.
The country has been through tough times in the last 40-50 years – wars, recessions, downturns.
Not like this.
I laugh when I hear people on blogs and forums discuss election tactics – what factors to run on, how to message, whether we have the right candidate.
Tactics and candidates do not matter. People are angry and afraid, and are ready to sweep away the trash every chance they get.
Agreed, the Rs may be peaking too soon. 9 months are a long time in politics.
anyone notice the dow today?
that is scary … it should go back to 10,000 (the natural plateau) but if it falls past 9500 things could get very bearish very quickly
I don’t trust the people to do the right thing. That we are saddled with a muslin marxist for our president bespeaks volumes. Please let me wake up from this bad dream
A month ago I could only see about 51 Dem seats in play. The next week I had it at 56, followed by 62, 69, and 80. I’ve added 5 more this week and this is from someone who has been very conservative.
It will be a bloodbath and I don’t see a damned thing outside a miraculous and unbelievably fast economic recovery that can prevent it.
Or maybe anger is still building, and the R’s are just starting the ascent.
The thing is that its the unemployment – poor economy that is hurting the Obumbler the most. Nobody beleives the #s coming from the WH. Stores are closing each and every day. There is no end in sight.
You can not lose 950k jobs – and say the unemployment rate went down while also saying that the # of discouraged workers/etc. are at record levels.
I think the experts are forecasting a double dip, Lisab, but 2011 should be really bad once the Bush tax cuts expire.
the bush tax cuts will be expanded, under the name of the obama tax cuts.
anyone who makes less than $30,000 will get a $5,000 refund check and everyone else will get a 15% tax increase.
i wish i was joking, but i believe we will have a 15% tax increase between all the various tax schemes and fees that we will be getting soon.
Yep, more supression of your liberty in Obama power “non negotiable” power grab called “HC Deform”:
“Senate Health Bill May Violate First Amendment
Posted by Michael F. Cannon
Today, the Cato Institute released “Scientific Misconduct: The Manipulation of Evidence for Political Advocacy in Health Care and Climate Policy,” by George Avery of Purdue University.
Avery points to a troubling provision of the Senate-passed health care bill that Democrats are trying to get through the House:
In a section creating a new Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute to conduct comparative-effectiveness research, the bill allows the withholding of funding to any institution where a researcher publishes findings not “within the bounds of and entirely consistent with the evidence,” a vague authorization that creates a tremendous tool that can be used to ensure self-censorship and conformity with bureaucratic preferences….As AcademyHealth notes, “Such language to restrict scientific freedom is unprecedented and likely unconstitutional.”
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/02/08/senate-health-bill-may-violate-first-amendment/
Of course the radical left/Obamaites will not “start over” on their power grab – the goal here was always politcal power not improving medical care or making it cheaper for anyone….
This government run/complusary insurance scam was always designed to create economic dependcy in individuals/companies to the federal government followed soon by political domination by the left as they will have everyone by the “short hairs”…..
who do the dems hate more, rank in order
a.) ronald reagan
b.) sarah palin
c.) scott brown and or marcia cocksley
d.) adolf
e.) the terrorists who flew the planes on 9/11 — (for dems i am referring to the ones flying the planes into the twin towers, the pentagon, and were trying to fly into the capital — not our air force pilots — just want to be clear)
Phil —> re: #147 The numbers are really amazing in what you are predicting!
Please tell AIN I do have the guts to answer his questions. It’s called taking a break from the computer for an hour or so. Which reminds me: Where did he go for the last hr + ? Does the massage parlor close early in his neighborhood or something?
Comment by BPL in Scottsdale — February 8, 2010 @ 8:54 pm
OK, I’m waiting….
Would be nice, BPL, if you were actually able to have a civil discussion. We don’t have to agree about everything, but wouldn’t it be amazing if we could have a back-and-forth, question-and-answer, point-counterpoint discussion. I’ve not insulted you, yet you insist on insulting. OK, I’ve called you “gutless”, trying to challenge you to actually respond. I apologize. And yes, I’ve laughed at that AFLAC duck you idolize. Sorry, can’t help it. Any chance you can answer questions with some civility? Bottom line: in November, we’ll be totally on the same side. So why fight now?
“Phil —> re: #147 The numbers are really amazing in what you are predicting!”
only about 60 house seats are really competitive at any one time.
if you get 40 seats you will be very lucky
40 seats is as certain as anything in politics can be.
65 seats is 75% chance
115 seats is better than even.
who do the dems hate more, rank in order
d.) adolf — he was a racist, the cardinal sin for Dems
b.) sarah palin — their worst nightmare as a future president
c.) scott brown — he STOLE Saint Teddy’s senate seat!!
a.) ronald reagan — don’t hate him so much anymore. He did what all good conservatives should do, die.
e.) the 9/11 terrorists — not evil, just misguided.
And I do remember all the pooh-pooh about “fool’s gold”, “SEIU/ACORN will steal”, “Margin of Fraud”, and “Dem machine”.
PHIL-here’s where you need to expand your thinking. I don’t spread sheet this stuff out. This is what does not show up on numbers because numbers may not matter. Say Pat Kennedy in RI. He is just not a popular guy and he is a liberal in a liberal district but he’s a near outsider and makes no concessions to the blue collar catholics in his district. Look at those poll numbers.
On the flip side Richard Neal in MA-2 is a natural pol and is pro-life. He is locked into to his district in so many ways.
Who else is a little crazy among the democrats besides the obvious ones? WU of OR has been erratic. WA-2’s Larsen is so far from DC on a weekly basis. He’s can’t connect like some of these every weekend guys. I might look at him.
I would say Dennis the Menace in OH-10 but oddly really standing up for your positions and ranting about DC gets you votes. You can be wrong on an issue but if you stand and defend yourself you get votes for being fearless and not concerned about elections. Of OH-10 is prety liberal-blue collar liberal but liberal.
In 94 there were no exits but the final NYT poll had Republicans up 6. They won 54 seats.
The last 8 weeks RAS has averaged GOP +7.5 on the generic ballot.
Another 8 months of this kind of unemployment coupled with Obama fatique and Republicans +7.5 will be the absolute floor for the GOP.
You don’t go from a 58-39 to roughly 38-60 among independents coupled with a super motivated GOP and not lose a helluva lot of seats.
If those numbers hold, and I have no reason to think otherwise, a lot more than 60 seats will be in play.
Freedom NOW man!
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/02/08/no-more-talking-points-its-time-for-economic-freedom/#more-25951
“Well, unfortunately, “empirical reality” tells us a different story. According to the 2010 Index of Economic Freedom, a data-driven study by The Heritage Foundation and The Wall Street Journal, the U.S. economy has fallen from the top tier “free” category. Recent years’ economic policies have dramatically accelerated this decadency. Falling behind Canada, the United States is now a “mostly free” economy.
Indeed, our economic strength is being weakened by many “blind spots,” and our global competitiveness is losing ground. While many countries around the world continue on the path of increasing competitiveness and flexibility, the United States is, in many respects, moving in the opposite direction, simultaneously burdening its economy with increasing government spending, uncompetitive tax rates, and barriers to trade and investment that stifle entrepreneurship and dynamic growth.”
Tina
I think I saw a little uptick late last year. I could be wrong but I think last sales and income due to weather this January & February will be greater then last year. I see it as a drag.
Does the stock market matter? I for one felt a little better off in early January then I do right now?
Right now the White house-Fed-Goldman Sachs-Tinareports?-all see 10% unemployment through 2010.
If the left gets madder at Obama-if we get a gasoline spike in the fall or a dip in the stock market the Nov elections could be really brutal.
When was the last time the GOP got an election year break?
1986-iran-contra-Ollie North
1992 Perot
2000- Bush drunk driving
2006- Bad war news in Iraq and spike in gasoline price
2008- Stock market collapse
Good night until that day Eustis
Tina
I think I saw a little uptick late last year. I could be wrong but I think last sales and income due to weather this January & February will be greater then last year. I see it as a drag.
Does the stock market matter? I for one felt a little better off in early January then I do right now?
Right now the White house-Fed-Goldman Sachs-Tinareports?-all see 10% unemployment through 2010.
If the left gets madder at Obama-if we get a gasoline spike in the fall or a dip in the stock market the Nov elections could be really brutal.
When was the last time the GOP got an election year break?
1986-iran-contra-Ollie North
1992 Perot
2000- Bush drunk driving
2006- Bad war news in Iraq and spike in gasoline price
2008- Stock market collapse
Good night until that day Eustis
The Hill: “Sen. Kaufman: Palin backers ‘don’t follow what’s really happening’ in U.S.”
“Kaufman, in an apparent shot at the so-called Tea Party movement, asserted that the group of angry conservatives may not understand the complexity of many problems facing the U.S.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/80179-sen-kaufman-palin-backers-dont-follow-whats-really-happening-in-the-us
Latest on cause of Murtha’s death….
Surgeon accidently sliced his intestine during gall bladder
surgery. Hmmmm…..
Kaufman is typical of inside the beltway liberal thinking.
The rabble is uninformed. They don’t understand the complexities.
Keep thinking that Senator. Enjoy watching election night as your colleagues drop like flies. You can gain comfort as you continue to tell yourself how smart you are and how dumb those rube voters are.
Michael Capuano lost to Martha Coakley in Dec in the Dem primary, and he was asked by his colleagues at the first Dem caucus meeting in DC what he had learned on the campaign trail. His first words upon getting to the podium were, “You’re screwed.”
One of the largest Silicon Valley fundraisers for Barb Boxer said (paraphrase), “Coakley losing is not just a canary in a coal-mine, it is a flock of dead crows dumped on the lawn.”
Micahel Barone: “Many people ask me whether the Democrats are in as much trouble as they were in 1994. The numbers suggest they are in much deeper trouble.”
Just sayin’
Your socialist/interventionist government at work:
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/02/08/keynesian-doublespeak/#more-25895
“Now that the failure of the stimulus bill is becoming obvious, and public opinion has turned against it, Obama is touting a spending freeze in his 2011 budget: “As we focus our efforts on spurring job creation and jumpstarting economic growth, we also have to change business as usual in Washington and restore fiscal responsibility.”
Wait: If government spurs job creation by spending, even on digging holes and filling them up, then how can one advocate both the first part, and the second part, of that sentence? That kind of doublethink can hurt the brain.”
Gee doesnt the use of government force/intervention do such “good” things?
Just talk to one of the permenantly unemployed 20% about how “good” all this activist government is….
Yeah, those Washington elite are SOOO smart – why 535 of them elected policians (85% are looters, er lawyers), 10 unelected technocrats at the fed reserve, and 1 marxist “community activist” can “scientifically” manage the economy for the other 300 million of us….
Yeah, they are doing great in paying off big unions, wall street carbon-credit traders, and hiring new SEIU federal government employees – all with money confiscated by real workers building things people need in the real world….
MMM MMM MMM – the leftist can only get complete power and control over your life to make ALL your dececsion for you then we will have utopia on earth – look at Cuba and North Korea!
Freedom NOW man!
“Coats hires Cheney, Wolfowitz spokesman”
“[Kevin Kellems], The Indiana native… served as a spokesman for GOP Sen. Richard Lugar before working at the White House.”
Response to recent attacks:
“There’s a reason Democrats are throwing so much mud so early against a very decent man Hoosiers respect and twice elected statewide,” he wrote. “They are nervous about Senator Bayh’s recent support for the president’s extreme health care agenda and the fact that Evan hasn’t had a competitive election in decades.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0210/Coats_hires_Cheney_Wolfowitz_spokesman.html
I listen when Barone speaks. When it comes to electoral analysis and understanding election numbers and trends, there is none better.
#170 (Response to recent attacks ON COATS)
African American had b een a reliable GOP voting block until Roosevelt’s re-election in 1936. The New Deal programs weaned them away. The black GOP congressman in Chicago switched parties. Then Harry Truman tried to force through a Civil Right bill in 1948 prompting STrom Thurmond’s bolt. And Truman desegregated the military. But then came Brown v. Bd. of Education and Eisenhower’s decision to send federal troops to Little Rock. But the tide began to turn agains tthe GOP once again in 1960 when Martin Luther King was jailed in Atlanta. Kennedy sent his father a letter, Nixon basically did nothing. Barry Goldwater was the coup de gras. Johnson’s Great Society sealed the deal. There have bene individual GOP candidates in isolated races that have been able to make inroads into the black vote (Tom Kean’s re-election in New Jersey, or Bret Schundler’s mayoral campaigns, Jindal’s first campaign in LA). But that’s been pretty much it.
African American had b een a reliable GOP voting block until Roosevelt’s re-election in 1936. The New Deal programs weaned them away. The black GOP congressman in Chicago switched parties. Then Harry Truman tried to force through a Civil Right bill in 1948 prompting STrom Thurmond’s bolt. And Truman desegregated the military. But then came Brown v. Bd. of Education and Eisenhower’s decision to send federal troops to Little Rock. But the tide began to turn agains tthe GOP once again in 1960 when Martin Luther King was jailed in Atlanta. Kennedy sent his father a letter, Nixon basically did nothing. Barry Goldwater was the coup de gras. Johnson’s Great Society sealed the deal. There have bene individual GOP candidates in isolated races that have been able to make inroads into the black vote (Tom Kean’s re-election in New Jersey, or Bret Schundler’s mayoral campaigns, Jindal’s first campaign in LA). But that’s been pretty much it.
Good summary, George. Of course I admit that Goldwater wasn’t the only reason blacks turned en mass against the GOP, but he clearly was the final straw in the camel’s back. When the face of a party openly defends discrimination, that’s pretty damning.
#175 You are out of your mind now…..
Openly defends discrimination?
Please spare the talking points….
The GOP has consistently, I mean from the time of Lincoln, has fought against government/public discrimination……
As said I said repeatedly, the “discrimination” that was occuring in this country was government sactioned and the GOP strenously opposed that….
What you claim is “discrimination” is private conduct between individuals that government has no business regulating!
You cannot compel people by use of government force to behavior or think in a manner you deem “proper” and “nice” and still be a free society – people are free to think and say whatever they like and behavior in any manner they see fit as long as they do not violate the rights of others….
Please do not bogusly equate government/public discrimination (wrong and unconstitutional) with private conduct…..
You are simply wrong and over the top here…
Sam and Phil, I am with you guys on these assessments. I created my own Excel spreadsheet and I find 106 seats in a highly competitive category. Thanks for sharing your insight, from one poll geek to another.
Johnson, Paul and Grayson debate this Saturday.
All I can say about this is “nice” – just what we need from the looters coaltion aka big public unions and big government:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/04/AR2010020404421.html
“The local teachers union in Montgomery County, Maryland, has such control over the local Democratic Party that candidates running for office give the union campaign cash, instead of the other way around.”
well we do work 24/7/365
#180 What? Are you rust….
This is a good step in the right direction to restore Federalism and limited/Constitutional governence:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/federal_overreach_and_the_new.html
“Federal Overreach and the New States’ Rights Movement
By Jon N. Hall
Ever since the election of Woodrow Wilson, America has been concentrating more and more power and control in the federal government. With the 2008 elections, the century-long creep towards statism accelerated. America is not only on the wrong track — she’s on an express train to Big Government hell.
One bright spot is that the states are standing up to federal overreach.”
“And the states are resisting Obamacare as, in general, a 10th Amendment violation. Some states also object to the specifics of Obamacare, such as the individual mandate, which Texas Attorney General Greg Abbot addressed in this open letter. Columnist George Will weighs in on judicial review of the individual mandate:
The latter kind of conservatives are more truly conservative than the former kind because they have stronger principles for resisting the conscription of individuals, at a cost of diminished liberty, into government’s collective projects. So a constitutional challenge to the mandate serves two purposes: It defies a pernicious idea and clarifies conservatism.
Many are appalled by the sleaze of the Nebraska Compromise, which secured Sen. Ben Nelson’s key vote, and the Louisiana Purchase, which secured Sen. Mary Landrieu’s. (Could this be vote-buying?) The feds have succeeded in pitting state against state. So state AGs are getting restive, and they may sue over unequal treatment.
In a feisty article, John Boldin writes:
Regarding nullification and health care, there’s already a growing movement right now. Led by Arizona, voters in a number of states may get a chance to approve State Constitutional Amendments in 2010 that would effectively ban national health care in their states.
Indeed. On February 1, Virginia’s Senate passed a bill to outlaw the individual mandate, which seems destined to be signed by their new GOP governor. “Lawmakers in 35 states have filed or proposed amendments to their state constitutions or statutes rejecting health insurance mandates,” reports the Associated Press. The states seem to be spoiling for a showdown with the feds over the issue of state sovereignty.”
teachers study for years to work long hours for low pay and few benefits
Barry Goldwater was basically right about everything but what he said was all undone by soundbites which undid him in the television age. He said extremism in the defense of freedom was no vice. Definitely easy to paint him as cuckoo.
And his opposition to the civil rights act was based on philosophical beliefs that the government could not regulate the interactions of private parties. Again this is all something we believe in. Affirmative action has been just as bad as racism was in creating a permanent black underclass and pereptuating property. If you phrase it so that government discrimination as a subsitute for private discrimination is even worse, that’s perfectly acceptable to say. But Goldwater didn’t mince words and was a terrible politician for the golden era of tv. But his ideas triumphed in actions if not words. Reagan walked Barry’s walk even if he didn’t ape his sayings (wisely so). It took 16 years for liberalism to be disenfranchised since LBJ 1964 victory. In that time we got the turd of medicare and medicaid and federal welfare.
This time it took a little less than a year thanks to the incompetency of the democratic leadership and the existence of actual populist, conservative voices in our media.
But it was too late, these programs helped blacks the most and the government justified the neverending narrative that they are all simply victims of whitey.
The black vote turned on Republicans because blacks became dependent on government: pure and simple. Something like half of all black jobs are inside the government. The collapse of the nuclear family in black households has led to deep government dependency that has naturally led blacks to natural favor democrats.
And to be honest, black voters are not well-intentioned either. It is an especially deep level of identity politics that motivates much of the black community (look how they turned out for Barack Obama in 2008). Many still practice 1960’s-era politics despite the end of racism for the most part.
Hopefully the Jesse Jacksons start dying off and more reasonable black celebrities will be as brave as Bill Cosby in providing an example of how to live without government.
@lisab
I think you mean you work 180/365 days, 5/24 hours, and 5/7 days a week while working. I kid but I respect teachers that try. But I’ve had plenty of terrible public school teachers and I went to a magnet program for middle school and the best school in my hometown when I was in high school. There were plenty of lazy fools there.
In fact, it is probably the NEA that played the biggest big role in me becoming a conservative.
if obama does lose in 2012 i think there will be riots in black communities
5/24? puhlease … not in my school
besides i have to work at least 190 days …
137,
Gerlarch in PA 6 but he is the only one I can think of at the moment.
lisab wrote:
“if obama does lose in 2012 i think there will be riots in black communities”
That is a joke, right? And if so, a tasteless one at that. With more than a smidgeon of racism mixed into it. Surely you did not intend this, but it sure as hell comes over like that.
When Gerald Ford lost in 1976, did the scottish community riot?
When Walter Mondale lost in 1984, did the norwegian community riot?
When Dukakis lost in 1988, did the greek community riot?
When Kerry lost in 2004, did the irish-catholic community riot?
When Romney got creamed in the nomination process, did the mormons riot?
It is particularly scary as to how many people do not educate themselves on subjects but yet bash at any opportunity given…. Please research global warming.. The affects are not that it will not snow…. in fact in certain regions it will snow more.. Furthermore the global warming debate is not whether it exists.. its whether man has contributed. (yes look up the debate, everyone agrees its exists)…. So in short seeing record snow falls in certain regions can actually (not saying it is) be a sign of global warning, as global warming is “Climate Change” and Change in weather pattern… not all the sudden we are in a hot steamer pressure cooker…