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Good Morning! Another sleepless day in rainy Arizona.
2!! Dreary rainy day in GA too. At least its warm, 70 degrees babyyyy
Why is NRO spending so many column inches on the ins and outs of reconciliation in the Senate?
There won’t be any reconciliation if the House passes the Senate bill.
It would be sent to the WH, numbnuts will sign it, and that will be that.
Bayern I agree. All last fall the rubes at NRO said it would never pass the House or Senate.
We all know Stupak is a fool, but luckily, from what I hear, the Bishops are telling Bart no on any amendment. Cardinal George of Chicago is rumored to be saying that the Bishops do not trust Obama to not just sign the bill of the Senate.
Kildee of Mich is a raving Left Winger, no surprise he would say Yes to the Senate Bill.
Rain in Memphis but in the 60’s.
There was another big democrat caucus last night. Absolutely nothing was accomplished and nothing was announced.
1. No legislative language for the Obama bill (a joke going nowhere)
2. No legislative language for the Recon bill
3. No decision on a plan of passing the bills or a date
4. No CBO scores or any indication when they would be available
There was this ditty-Charles Rangel said “the bill is written (senate bill) there is no changing it.” This was in regard to the Stupak fix as I related accomdating Stupak is nearly impossible. No one other then Hoyer seems interested in that idea.
I see am not sure why folks are gloom and doom on this as the democrats are cluelss as to how to proceed, badly divided on strategy, distrust between the house & senate is huge, there is no bill to vote on, no CBO score, the plan is super unpopular and the election is getting closer every day.
In addition the Obama tour on HC is making Wilson’s speaking tour to boost support for the league of Nations look like a success. Obama moved no one but Specter on Monday and nearly every democrat in MO is finding an excuse to miss his speech on Wednesday.
I discount Kildee bailing. He was a solid Yes in Nov but unlike Stupak he has a nephew running for Gov in MI. Kildee could not give the Netroots a reason to vote against him.
The Recon talk is all about the house votes. The democrats have to talk up recon to get the house to vote yes on the senate bill. The GOP talks recon down to get the house to vote no on the senate bill.
Rockefeller: Stopping Obama’s Environmental “End-Around”
“…West Virginia Senator John D. Rockefeller – who is among the Preisdent’s staunchest allies in the U.S. Senate – is standing up to Obama and the radical environmentalists’ power grab. Rockefeller has recently introduced legislation that would place a two-year moratorium on the EPA’s ability to regulate greenhouse gases from power plants and other stationary emitters, which is precisely the regulatory authority Obama is threatening to use if Congress doesn’t pass his “cap and trade” bill this year.”
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_howard_rich/rockefeller_stopping_obama_s_environmental_end_around
The Real Health-Care Plan
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=YmZhMGRiNjczZWJlOTZmNWVlNzliMTlkY2FjZTk1ZWI=
Obama in Mo. today. Carnahan conveniently is in Washington today.
What does that tell you?
Rain today! But we have been sloshing though the Presidency since Nov. 08.
So with Kildee switching to YES, that brings the total to two Dem NO to YES switches. So Dem switchers are, so far, going in only one direcction. Kildee was a Stupak guy, so this is not good, imo, and may be a sign of things to come.
The only YES to NO switcher, so far, is Cao, a Republican. Still waiting for those Dem YES to NO switchers. Don’t hold your breath.
By my whip count (the most accurate and realistic one out there), NO has lost another vote, and is down to 213, three short of victory.
Look for Baird and Altmire to switch to YES bringing the count down to 211….
the trend is not good, imo.
I think the Pelosi pressure on these cowardly lamebrains is working.
Ooops I take it back… I thought Kildee was a NO in Nov. So he didnt switch. NO still stands at 214, two short of the finish line.
Still… I thought he was one of those “principled” anti abortion Dems.
How many oxymorons are in that label? LOL
Bayern, I have no faith in the Stupak gang anyways.
It is amazing isnt it? The Dems, after MA, had a golden opportunity to allow HC to fade from the scene, spend time on jobs, and start regaining, over 10 months, their standing with the public. And if the economy/unemployment improves as they think it will, they would have been in pretty decent shape in Nov, at least relative to where the will be now.
So what is their deal? Who is really pushing this? Just Obama? Why can’t Pelosi tell him to stick it. Does she REALLY want this, too?
Bizarre.
13… what I dont like is that the only total being added to are the YES votes.
NO is stuck.
This is just like the Clinton tax hike votes in 1993 – which passed each chamber by a single vote, including two Al Gore tie-breakers in the Senate on reconciliation. A huge block of them want to vote NO but only so many can and still have it pass. That’s all that’s going on right now – jockeying for position among Democrats for the remaining NO votes that won’t be enough to kill the bill.
BF
The press really has played up Kildee’s conversion from Yes to Yes. I might add that if you parse through all of his comments-he still wants to see all the final language. He is just not bothered by Stupak. Of course to be fair any congressmen’s comment on HC gets a lot of play.
Stupak’s 12 by design is a secret list. If people like Cao or Stupak or Lipsinski or Obestar out themselves that’s one thing. Stupak will not.
Rasmussen has Obama at -21…. tied for worst ever.
Strongly approve at 22… lowest ever
Total approve at 42… lowest ever
Keep making speeches, numbnuts!!
Bayern,
Of course, Pelosi, the San Franciso Socialist, wants this. It’s what people like her have dreamed about their entire adult lives.
make that 43 on total approve.
The goal of the leadership is to bring it down to about yes +5 so they can then give the lucky 4 or so to vote no at the last minute – perhaps they will have a lottery or will just award the most electorally needy blue frauds like Ellsworth, Hill, Spratt, and Pomeroy permission to vote no.
You can see where this is heading – a one vote orchestrated victory giving as many Democrats in swing districts cover to vote no as possible. It’s theater pure and simple with a media ticket tape parade when the bill “squeaks through” at the last minute.
I take no pleasure in saying any of this. It makes me absolutely ill. This scum crowd in the House and Senate are low life scum as is their accomplices in the media.
Pathetic.
Big Joe, Did you move to GA?
http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/03/09/democratic-leaders-to-rahm-emanuel-stop-the-health-care-deadlines/
Unfortunately Obama shoots back up to 46 tomorrow when the men outlier drops off. That’s the bad news. The good news is he “shooting up to 46″ isn’t exactly good news for Barry. He’s right where he has been since November – going on 5 months now – and it aint exactly great.
His support among minorities is unshakable among minorities and that base keeps him from falling any further.
I need more coffee.
I HAVE A UTERUS !!!!
HD, yeah, Politico is reporting the same thing. http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0310/Waxman_House_doesnt_want_a_deadline.html Rdel, looks like we won’t see any vote before recess.
RASMUSSEN:
Obama Approval Index: -21 (matches lowest yet)
Strongly Approve 22% (matches lowest yet)
Strongly Disapprove 43%
Total Approval 43% (matches lowest yet)
The Losah is collapsing…
Sorry, looks like the Ras #s were already covered….
That Obama rating is an absolute stinker
looks like we won’t see any vote before recess.
Comment by phoenixrisen — March 10, 2010 @ 9:13 am
Can’t wait for the recess Town Hall meetings!
They’re going to be UGLY!
The more he is engaged on this – the worse his numbers become.
I also say that if we beat him on this one, we must win on Amnesty III (or is it IV?) and DADT.
His support among minorities is unshakable among minorities and that base keeps him from falling any further.
Comment by Phil — March 10, 2010 @ 9:10 am
He will fall further.
I have yet to see a poll showing the majority of Americans saying that Obama owns the economy.
Once we reach that level, he tanks into the 30’s.
Do we get any bailout or planted polls?
I did not comment yesterday, but those polls for the various races look pretty good.
The more he is engaged on this – the worse his numbers become.
….
Yep.
Drag this out as long as possible.
People want the focus on JOBS.
They are getting ANGRY.
http://finance.yahoo.com/taxes/article/109012/us-sales-tax-rates-hit-record-high
The economy is racist.
Rahm Emanuel controversy: White House fights image of turmoil
AP
White House in chaos.
They don’t know how to govern or lead.
They are Marxist bullies and abject failures.
Census Questions:
Do not provide them with your phone number.
Do not give them racial information.
I will not answer those 2 questions, among several others.
Somebody should be calling for Rahm’s resignation…
Sean which R will do that….
I bet they fear him, Al Capone.
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Supreme Court Chief Justice: Scene at State of Union ‘Very Troubling’…
Sorry if covered, but this is interesting.
Drudge
I’ve never seen an Admnistration this tonedeaf and out of touch before. Even Bush at his nadir wasn’t this bad. Fortunately I was too young to remember Carter. Ay Dios Mio…This is bad.
Bayern, quit worrying
I have to dispute that this is going the wrong way for the GOP. Kildee hails from the Saginaw-Bay City area. Eastern Michigan is heavily Democratic and more left than most. Critical Condition over at NRO looks quite optimistic.
http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/
According to them, Acuri and McNearney are yes to no votes though they think McNearney is leaving some wiggle room. Stupak announcing that he won’t go for a seperate bill in the vain hopes that the Senate will pass it was real big yesterday. This really puts Pelosi and Reid in a bind. The only option now would be to go the reconciliation route which would likely take months and into Election day and beyond. The big bruhaha would be played over television and people are only going to get angrier. I think this is going to take a while to get a bill out because they are likely trying to write something that can avoid all the GOP objections, amendments, amendment readings, points of order, etc. I think that is impossible from a practical point of view.
Tina, I filled out the census form stritcly by saying the number of people living in my house. Income, race, and anything else are all things the Census wasn’t intended to be used to determine. I encourage everyone else simply to respond to the number question and leave the rest blank.
Can we legally withhold our phone numbers?
Exactly Wes, spread the word, to friends and family too. I will only answer those questions that were asked in 1790.
I will not give them race, income, and phone number information. I even hesitate to give them the names in the household.
Some right leaning blogs are urging people to put American in the OTHER box for race.
Kildee comes from the most heavily Dem portion of Michigan outside the Detroit area. He’s never faced a serious electoral challenge, and his district is drawn to ensure no serious Republican challenges him. For him to vote with the Dem leadership on this is absolutely no surprise.
Census:
http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2010/03/09/i-am-an-american/
I withheld y phone number, Howie. If the government needs to get in touch with me, it can send a letter or check a copy of the business license I have on file if it needs to call me.
Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann has said that and her family won’t be answering all the questions on the 2010 census forms. She says that the she and her family will only be indicating the number of people in the household because “the Constitution doesn’t require any information beyond that”. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5095844-503544.html
Bachman, along with many others, have expressed concerns about the involvement of ACORN in the collection of data, the same group that was the subject of voter registration fraud during the 2008 presidential elections. ACORN was Barack Obama’s preferred bunch of “community organizers”—-the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now, a group under investigation in 10 states or more—-now he’s got them collecting your personal information.
Wes, did you include your name/names of persons in household?
That’s cute, Howie, but responding American in the race slot still is a response to the race question. The Census wAS NEVER intended to discuss race and ethnicity. It was strictly intended to tell the government where people lived for reapportionment of the House of Representatives. That’s it.
Someone asked about rescue polls -
Yep, the old standby AP came riding in yesterday.
Another poll of ADULTS showing Obama at 53%. The story accompanying it was laughable. Headline actually read OBAMA MORE POPULAR THAN CONGRESS
BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That’s the best they could do? Cancer is more popular than congress.
BTW, it was a D+10 poll.
Does anyone think that come November the exits are going to show D+10? It was D+2 in the Democratic sweep of 2006? They’ll be lucky if it is even in party ID. I say R+2. Then there is the independents? In 06 it was D+18. It’s the exact opposite this year and worse.
In other words, these bogus bottom line numbers in these rescue polls are going to count for zero in November. However, keep cranking them out AP.
Heh, check out the fun Drudge is having. Funny how many times the MSM and the Democrats have floated the “Endgame” phrase.
No, Tina. The letter was addressed to me, so I’m guessing they were smart enough to know I was the one filling out the info–although I can never be sure with the government. I told them I have a three-person household consisting of me, a spouse, and a daughter. There’s othing they need to know beyond that.
It was strictly intended to tell the government where people lived for reapportionment of the House of Representatives. That’s it.
Comment by Wes — March 10, 2010 @ 9:41 am
I agree, Wes. But we both know DC doesn’t follow what the Const. says.
If I can legally get away with just a number, I will do it.
If Bachman is not answering all the questions, I do not see what consequences there could be.
Well, Howie, the government can contact me if it needs to whether or not I provide my phone number. For that reason, I didn’t give it.
Kos to Kucinich
Vote for Obamacare or we’ll primary you.
All this will do is cause Dennis to dig in. He’s voting for it because it doesn’t go far enough. He marches to his own drummer. Kos picked the wrong guy to lean on.
iron sharpens iron so I respect BF-Dio-Wylie and others who are not sunny optimists. give and take in all that. it reminds us not to be overconfident. I wrote a letter to the editor wailing on HC this week. its fairly pointless to call Steve Cohen’s office. He is a toilet sheet democrat. Obama & Pelosi could send a roll of toilet paper to the House -call it HC-and Cohen would vote for it.
many of the others are waiting for the actual bills (recon bill-Obama bill) before they actually commit to voting.
Time is slipping away. Right now the WH & Pelosi is providing no political cover. Talk is that caddie fix will only be for a year or two plus to offset that tax small business owners get hammered. So union people know that long term they need to give up benefits to pay for others healthcare while the local sub shop owner gets hammered with 10K in annual health insurance fines.
Maybe I am dreaming but is that an attractive fix for the senate bill. Its a political killer to me.
NOT voting for it I meant to say
As far as I know, Tina, a nonresponse to the Census just gets a visit from a worker who asks questions. I’ve never heard of any legal ramifications beyond that.
AP HEADLINE: Obama Most Popular Leader of All Time, Poll Says
“In a sign of his enduring popularity, even in the midst of vicious, racist attacks by opponents to political reform, President Obama is the most respected and admired leader in all of history, according to a recent poll by a non-partisan group.
[Buried at bottom of article...]
“The poll, which interviewed 1,008 adults, asked respondents to pick their favorite leader out of a list of some of history’s most important figures. The list included Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Saddam Hussein, John Edwards, Charles Manson, Barack Obama, and Vlad the Impaler.”
http://minx.cc/?post=299198
If Rangel is saying nothing is going to be changed regarding the abortion issue and Stupak’s coalition doesn’t become Ben Nelson, the current bill is dead. However, no one will admit the bill is dead until the next congress is sworn in. I think the Dem strategy is like this: If they can somehow pass a bill, all the better. If the Dems cannot pass the bill, they will have to keep up our efforts anyway and have the MSM report that they are still trying to do something so their base won’t abandon them in November. This has got to be the worst political no-win situation I have ever seen.
66 – Hilarious!
Can you show us a copy of your letter to the editor, Rdel?
#66 ROFL!!!!
You’re killing me, Yolanda. That post in 66 is f***ing awesome.
phoenix
You are exactly right. This has been the worst political miscalculation in my memory and may be the worst ever.
Howie had a good point – the longer this drags on, the worse it is for the Dems.
However, remember that WE HAVE TO PASS THIS BILL SO WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT IS IN IT.
Piglosi really stepped in that one…
Should be getting some PPP numbers this morning on Rubio-Meek and Crist-Meek out of Florida.
Huxley said it best in Brave New World, Phil: 50,000 repetitions make a truh. The Dems seem to think so anyway.
Who cares at this point, Phil? Both will be ahead of Meek by double digits. Yawn. I’m about as interested in the Florida Senate race at this point as I am in seeing Helen Thomas in something sheer. Actually, just typing that made me sick. I seriously need to come up with better analogies.
Wes
I am waiting for a callback on my letter. They call to make sure I am a real person and want my letter to be published
He’s probably right Wes. Unfortunately, once you hit 50K you reach the point of diminishing returns because everyone tunes you out. The Democrats are WAAAAY over that number by now.
Well, can you provide a link to us here once it is published, Rdel?
Sorry gang but I now handicap this at 80% chance of passage. This is the same exact BS as last time but with recon being used.
Valuable thoughts and advices. I read your topic with great interest.
I am sticking to 90% chance of passing, with 10% left in case God wants to vote again and take out a “shovel ready” Dem like Murtha.
Jenson doesn’t seem to be in any hurry this morning to release his promised numbers on Rubio-Meek. LOL
I suspect this will be the last time he polls Florida unless its for the race for governor.
Goodmorning, folks. 23 Yes votes transition to Undecided.
http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2010/03/10/23-dem-yes-votes-on-obamacare-switch-to-undecided/
PPP says Rubio is up only 5 points over Meek. He has Meek winning independents by 5 points and that Meek has the advantage with undecideds because far more of them are Democrats than Republicans. His poll actually shows Crist running as an independent helping Pubio against Meek.
Jenson is indicating Rubio is in some trouble.
How go things, Marv?
The only thing holding back Stupak is the Bishops. Stupak and his merry band of left wing frauds want to vote yes, but need the cover from the Church.
The Cardinals have been burned one by the Reid Bill and want a new Bill, not the crap Senate bill. They think Obama will just sign the Senate, and do not trust the Muslim
Maybe Jenson is showing a tight race because he was polling Pubio instead of Rubio.
That’s in direct contrast to every other poll, Phil. Brandon moves one step closer to suicide as PPP becomes worse and worse at polling.
Phil, PPP should only be a Eastern regional pollster. He is good in the Marxist North, but was awful in Texas.
A left wing Radical Marxist like Meek will never win in FLA during abad Dem year. He is the new Ron Kirk
Sorry, PPP says Meek is up 7 pts among indies.
This is Phil reporting from fantasyland.
Jensen is getting his marching Orders from Axelrod. Too bad he was good on the Brown race
Wes,
Things are great today. How about you? (Too much partying last night?)
In addition to his radical leftist views, Brooks, Meek has all the charisma of a snail on cannabis. He will lose, and it won’t be close.
Yeah, Jenson really nailed that Texas race, didn’t he.
The bartender at Chili’s cut me off, Marv. I don’t get it. I was just celebrating how my sales babes had a banner day for me and my business partner. Ah, well…
Wes,
Escargot with cannabis sprinkled in the juices….interesting recipe.
Wes, what do we do about Lindsay Graham?
Here Obama is bypassing the GOP and trying to Recon a Marxist Bill, and Graham wants to reward him with help for the Amnesty Bill?
If HC passes, and Amnesty goes forward with Graham’s help, we might as well boot him and take away his Committee assignments and pray for Jan 2011
Wes,
What do you folks sell?
Wes
I will be glad to.
Unfortunately I’m not at liberty to discuss that, Marv. Suffice to say it’s a profitable business I wish I’d gotten into a decade ago. I know the IRS and the North Carolina Revenue Service are happy I’m in the business too. They certainly get a big enough cut of what I make.
Brook, my advice on Graham would be to have some groups running ads against him. Then the GOP needs to threaten him with a primary–maybe by Nikki Haley–for going against his constituents’ wishes in 2014.
Wes,
Understand, I’m glad that you’re profitable. (If the stockmarket climbs by 50%, my Mrs and I are buyng a vacation condo on Waikiki Beach.)
Well Wes, whatever you sell, it is nice to see good people be successful
Thanks, Marv. I’m thinking about getting a condo in Miami after I finish my Bahamian house.
Marv, 23 Dems who voted yes are now in the undecided column. This has gone from 11 to 16 to 23 in 3 days. That is some serious nomentum.
Thanks, Brooks.
did everyone catch that the Paulbot candidate Gary Johnson showed up in the last Iowa poll thread. A solid 0%! Renews my faith in the American people.
Wes,
In all seriousness, Miami condos are a great buy right now. Check out the situation on Brickell Ave, it’s in the immediate vicinity of the mouth of the Miami River at the entrance to Biscayne Bay.
Is Johnson a Paulbot, Gary? He was a successful politician before the Paul Cult startedbecoming bellicose.
I’ll definitely look into one, Marv.
Corey Haim diedprobably of a drug overdose. Age 38. Sad.
Check out the situation on Brickell Ave, it’s in the immediate vicinity of the mouth of the Miami River at the entrance to Biscayne Bay.
Comment by Marv — March 10, 2010 @ 10:58 am
Any links?
66 (Yolanda) & 76 (Wes) were two of the funniest posts ever! You folks are gonna get me in trouble, laughing out loud here at work.
Regarding the Census: I actually worked there, in my first job out of college. They are good people. Don’t buy into Bunu’s Ron Paul conspiracy theories regarding the US Census Bureau. Beware of the black helicopters.
98 — I’m not at all worried about some new “amnesty” bill. Graham is just trying to “look” bipartisan. He certainly knows that not even McCain would go along with any Obama-led controversial bill. And all of those Congressional Democrats in tough reelection races won’t want to touch an issue like immigration with a 10-foot poll. So don’t panic over this one.
43.77%
#113 SILLY,
No links, but if you’re interested you can do an internet search for Miami Real Estate Brickell.
Those who visit here should check out the condo market if you’re interested in some pretty good deals.
112 – Likely, but still not known.
One should probably not take illegal drugs if one wants to eliminate the risk of death via over dose.
#22 HD,
“Big Joe, Did you move to GA?”
What up Howie! I moved to GA in 2004. Moved from NY – NY is nice, just too cold for me man.
Bunu was blowing the Johnson trumpet Wes. More than once. Remember it was Bunu who tipped us off that Medina was a Paulbot candidate well before she made an @ss of herself with Beck. If Bunu is for them, that about seals it for me. Hostetler is another one by the way.
Sebelius to Insurers: Join Us on Health Care Bill or Lose Customers
AP
The head of the Health and Human Services Department is sketching out a stark choice for the nation’s insurers: oppose reform and eventually lose customers, or work with the Obama administration to improve the legislation.
They are making them an offer they can’t refuse.
LOL
http://www.nrsc.org/senate_races
Another day goes by that the NRSC cannot admit that Marco Rubio exists.
Good point, Gary.
Wait till Rubio wins the primary, DW. The NRSC won’t be able to acknowledge him fast enough then.
The insurers should directly and openly confront Obama/Sebelius in a loud and public manner. They should flood their customers with information about Obama’s attempt to seize control of their heatlthcare and how dangerous that is.
i wonder if they’re that bold, Marv.
Petraeus will not run in 2012. Oh well. Given how complicated Congress is now versus the 60’s and how defense issues are a little less important than the cold war, I was probably overstretching to think Petraeus would be a new Eisenhower.
I’m going to play devil’s advocate and say that these house members are only becoming undecided to give themselves some cover in the fall. THey will all vote yes. They are only a couple of votes short. Nancy Pelosi will plant horse’s heads in their beds and it will all be over.
God save these united states.
Wes,
Probably not, but if they went on the attack their fortunes in this debate would improve. The US Chamber of Commerce has concluded that Obama’s political power is on the wane and they have decided to take the offensive.
Good morning.
I just scanned all the posts. Random reactions:
1) Yolanda is funny. I think posting a lot sharpens one’s sarcasm skills, btw.
2) Someone said Zero can’t fall any lower because minorities are impossible to persuade. Zero’s approval, per RAS, is 43, & minorities do NOT & will NOT constitute 43% of LVs.
3) RE: HC chances: As I’ve said all along, the only thing I’m pretty sure of is that Obamacare goes down if it’s not passed before the Easter break. All politicians are cowards, imo, & they won’t stand up to the grassroots heat, I predict.
Zero is in my neck of the woods today. I’m so proud & grateful he’s here that I called McCaskill & Skelton to (again) share my negative views about O-care, recon, etc.
McCaskill. God. I still haven’t come out of mourning for Jim T’s loss to her. Btw, posters, if you’re going to reference “Carnahan,” pls indicate whether you mean “Robin” (MO SOS), or “Russ” (D-MO).
Mnw,
It always helps the Dems in MONTH, when some judge decides to keep the polls open in St. Louis for an extra 3 hours so that ACORN can get rid of their excess inventory of cigs and cheap wine.
Month should mo
The bberry auto changes that.
Big Joe, I thought you were still in NY. Do you deal with the summers ok there?
“no” Democrat is wavering. Guess which one.
Another Blue Dog in that same pool, Rep Jim Matheson, who also voted No last time, is now undecided.
“He is waiting for, among other items, the CBO score on the changes proposed by the President,” Matheson spokesperson Alyson Heyrend tells us.
Plus, you know, he has a few more relatives who need federal jobs.
NRO
MD
They haven’t done that lately. An enraged Sen.Bond (+ lawsuits) put an end to it. I knew the black female judge who did the last “polls stay open” order. She was a drunk & an idiot, & she was finally forced off the bench because of tax improprieties. They told her “resign at once or lose your pension.”
Matheson (D-UT) is officially “undecided” today. He was a “no” in Nov.
HD,
The rats will get their cheese. Imagine if a Repub had a relative receive direct benefit in leiu of pending legislation? It would be the end of civilization to the msm.
Wolf “no shoulders” Blitzer started an entire show on things that were 1/10th as blatant. Wanna bet he has not even mentioned the above on his snoozefest?
Dozens of Dems Said to Back Going ‘Nuclear’ to Pass ‘Public Option’
FOXNews.com
The so-called “public option” — after being declared dead several times over the course of the health care debate — is still on the radar screen for dozens of congressional Democrats who want the Senate to put it up for an up-or-down vote.
126 – There doing that starting Wednesday with ads; see my comment and link yesterday.
49…In the box for race why not just put Human.
#139 put “present”
PPP CO Governor
Hickenlooper: 50
McInnis: 39
PPP and Rasmussen are now polling parallel universes apparently.
ID: 39-36-24 D-R-I
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_310.pdf
In 2008 exits it was 30-31-39 D-R-I in Colorado.
Write In: Meat Popsicle
The PPP result from FL is wrong – as usuaul coming from that group. Meeks will lose and lose somewhere in the mid to upper teens.
Trash poll from PPP-it happens-registered voters and too many democrats & moderates
Trailing among indies?
gotta be kidding
Boom, big badaboom
Matheson now goes from no to undecided?
NOBODY COULD HAVE POSSIBLY PREDICTED THIS!!!!!
LOL I mean, folks, they aren’t even bothering to hide what they’re dong. Not even bothering to put it behind closed doors any longer. They can rely on their buddies in the media to simply bury everthing.
I give up.
Ras WA Senate
Rossi 49
Murray 46
Benton 37
Murray 48
Didier 30
Murray 49
Widener 32
Murray 47
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/washington/election_2010_washington_senate
Rossi could have won if only he cared anything about running.
Nothing from PPP is thrash.
He didn’t poll Reichart?
Matheson’s an idiot, Phil. He must want to lose that seat.
Rossi still has the glint of the governorship in his eyes, Phil. Why, I don’t know.
Murray is too close to 50% for my liking but these numbers are very close if not better than Massachusetts’. Rossi would probably be unbeatable now if he had a couple of terms as governor under his belt. If Rossi ever intended to become a senator after leaving the governor’s mansion, this is the year to do it.
50/49 in WA?
Wow
Knowing our GOP, they probably don’t even have an opponent to go against him.
The GOP needs to contest that seat, Phil. If they can get Reichert to jump in, then he can win while a solid Republican runing for his seat could hold it.
#133 HD
“Big Joe, I thought you were still in NY. Do you deal with the summers ok there?”
No doubt, the summers in GA are a challenge and they are the worst part of the year. However, compare the GA summers with the NY winters, and its no contest. Very few places on earth have great weather 100% of the time
Funny thing is that here in the ATL area, its mostly New Yorkers.
And we’re just one car ride from Tampa and the Yankee spring training facility. Much easier to get tickets to spring training games and greater access to players. Its pretty cool.
Donnelly (D-IN) goes from Yes to NO!!!!!
PER NRCC
In deference to TINA.
This CO poll from PPP is just outlier. Hey it happens.
Perhaps Jensen turned it over to an incompetent assistant. I look forward to a more accurate poll from him in the future. As noted its registered voters plus has too many indies-too many democrats plus its this is the 1st poll in months with a GOP guy behind a democrat with indies
If more people knew Murray the GOP would be further ahead.
Go GOP in WA
Unemployment rises in 30 states in January
AP
onnelly (D-IN) runs from Pelosi; switches to ‘NO’ on #hc takeover, calls bill ‘fatally flawed’ http://is.gd/a8LwJ #gopcodered
Obama at 50/49 in Washington.
Expect Jenson to come out with a poll showing Obama at about 73/27
Rdelbov- I should have added sarc to my post about PPP-D.
Big Joe, Glad to hear you’re mostly enjoying GA.
I too am looking to leave winter behind but have to wait a while.
I wish the Yanks kept either Matsui or Damon.
Big Joe,
You are a fraud. Why don’t you just join the Republicans?????
I remember your posts. I have yet to hear anything from you that would lead me to believe that you have anything to offer for the progressive cause you idiot.
Take Nelson and all these other blue smelly dogs with you. bye
Donnelly is apparently feeling the heat back home. He still has a YES vote under his belt though.
Hi,Eph.
You forgot the CNN headLine to that Howie
STATE UNEMPLOYMENT PICTURE BRIGHTENS
And the rest of you losssahs!!!
I once again ask why there are no minorities in the teabagging movement????
Tina
See like Obama you speak with such authority it moves people.
Donnelly’s actual statement to his hometown paper (link above 162)sounds equivocal to me. I can’t get “hard drop-dead no” out of it.
Bobby
There’s a dirty little secret in Obamacare. There is a tax on medical devices and what exactly is a medical device? Among the things that medical devices are all types of implants (ear implants) and article hips-joints-knees) plus screws & other items put in the human body.
A major source of these devices are manufacturers in Northern Ind-many of them in Donnelly’s district or near his district. obamacare is aimed at Donnelly’s district.
I think he will retreat on Obamacare
I am a minority, an army of one! The minority of people who dont owe more on their house than its worth!
“Fatally flawed” sounds pretty stark to me. You are looking for this guy to sound off so loud that Rahm has the horse head delivered to his bed?
165 HD,
I agree with you about Matsui and Damon. Sure they’re getting older and are often injured, but there’s so much to be said about team chemistry.
Yes, they’ve probably gotten better from a talent perspective with Granderson, Nick Johnson, others .. but talent really only gets you so far.
It’s all in how the new players handle the pressure and expectations. Damon and Matsui were the perfect role players and the team really came together last year.
Jensen has finally jumped the shark it appears.
Watch him build the narrative of the Democrat comeback.
OOpsss!!!!! argh… forget this!!
WHERE ARE THE JOBS???
GO YANKS!!
BIG JOE, YOU ARE COOL IN MY BOOK!!!!!!
WHY ARE WE STILL IN IRAQ?????
Has anyone else polled the McInnis/Hickenlooper race besides Rasmussen? It seems like Rasmussen is setting the tone of the election year simply by the mass amount of polling that he is doing.
John Roberts – you are the man!
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/03/chief_justice_john_roberts_say.html
Go ahead Barry – get into a public pis*ing match with the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
???
WTF Eph? Good to see you again, by the way
Obviously I missed something, it has been a slow couple of months in politics
Eph, HD – you guys are right. The reason the Yanks win is because of team chemistry and their ability to handle pressure. Yup, you need talent, but also you need players to find a niche and fill it effectively. I fear that this year the Yanks will have too much talent, but they will not know how to win when it counts.
Reminds me of the early 2000’s right after the 3-peat. They lost O’Niell, Brosius, Knoblauch, Tino. But they got terrific talent in the subsequent years (A-Rod, Giambi, Big Unit), yet they didnt come close to winning. So I hope they’ve learned that talent isn’t everything, you need to right mix of players to win, esp. in NY.
Brandon,
PPP looks pretty sad these days. How the mighty have fallen.
181 – BULLCHIT!
The reason they win is because they outspend everyone by significant by a large margin. They should win every year but their management generally screws up enough to prevent that.
Screw the Yankees.
Now, back to regularly scheduled programming.
Matheson wont switch. He is testing the waters to see what happens as he puts out a feeler. He will get an avalanche of negative responses from constituents and will weigh the cbo numbers or find another excuse to vote no. In the end I dont think we will ever know who would vote no or yes, because there will never be a vote. By doing what Matheson is doing he can have it both ways if there is never an actual vote. I voted no, I would have considered voting yes if certain things happened, but a final bill was never put in front of us to vote on. Watch. I still think its most likely RDEL is right on all this.
Joe,
Matsui is a huge loss.
#182. How so? The only other poll of this race was done by Rasmussen. You can’t say who is wrong and who is right when there are only two polls done.
Brandon,
I think the Rasmussen effect is overstated.
That there has been so little polling in some of these races suggest that the left-leaning pollsters are afraid to put out results because they know what they’ll show.
POS(R) has been running a lot of polls.
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/85975-pelosi-says-house-has-votes-for-healthcare-if-vote-were-held-today
(Cough, cough) Geez, I would have thought I would have spewed a drink all over the computer if I had been drinking while reading that article.
It seems like everyones perceptions of where races “should” be are based on Rasmussen polls and Rasmussen polls alone.
LOL MD,
Still feeling the pain from the World Series?
Seriously, what is Pelosi smoking nowadays? She said this I think what…four, five times before finally caving to Stupak and letting his abortion amendment in on the last health care vote the House took.
I once again ask why there are no minorities in the teabagging movement????
Comment by Proud Obamacon — March 10, 2010 @ 1:15 pm
I’ll answer you once again, Obamacon! But I’ll guess you won’t respond as you are too much of a coward!
1. As for the “teabagging movement”, you are obviously speaking of the gays who like to “teabag” each other. The last time I drove through San Francisco’s Castro District, I saw lots of minorities there, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.
2. If you are perhaps referring to the Tea PARTY movement, then I would refer you to watch the following video which proves they have plenty of minorities:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMdPTpOyUk4&feature=player_embedded
#187. Oh come on, the guy is putting out three or four polls a day sometimes. There is very little other polling even available on most of these races. What polls has POS done? I only remember a Nevada one.
Rdelbov, I would consider you comparing me to the Obumbler as an insult. We may have to have a duel – once my ankle and hand are better.
If Donnelly is a no, so is Ellsworth and Hill.
Matheson will stay no, unless he retires. The Salt Lake media is roasting him, and Orrin Hatch is now saying his Brother will be held up in nthe Senate
I can say that PPP-D blew NY-23 and the TX Governor’s race by predicting a run off.
WRONG!!!! as KKK Byrd once said.
Mark Blumenthal, pollster.com
“Yes, Rasmussen has conducted more than three times as many polls fielding (45 vs. 13), but you can see similar rates of growth for PPP (21 vs. 5), Quinnipiac University (14 vs. 0), DailyKos/Research2000 (13 vs. 5) and several others.”
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/is_rasmussen_flooding_the_zone.php
PPP is also doing registered polls because they are cheaper to conducty. I wonder if they are hurting for $$$.
Tina, what is up with Roy Ashburn? did the Cal GOP boot him
Brandon,
Jensen needs to be honest on TX. He is now clearly trying to write a narrative. All the evidence is there. You are the only one left who is kneeling to Jensen.
What happened in TX?
PPP was excellent on Northeast Polling, but has been awful in other regions
Tina
No feuds -
Yes-yes HC if it dies will be killed by the non vote option.
one way to kill it is to suggest you want an approach. Do a seperate bill or scaled down HC.
You will not vote No but you will also not vote yes
Ashburn indicated that he will not seek re election.
Exactly, their polls vary so widely that oneis wrong and one is right. I tend to trust Ras better – while wrong at times, he has been mostly right.
PPP-D has an agenda, they state it, and their record has been mixed lately.
Thanks Tina. He is up this Fall? and hopefully from a safe seat
RAS took a pass on the Brown race, while PPP was right on.
Jason, I erred, he actually is term limited. That is why he can not run.
Ras NH Senate
Ayotte 47
Hodes 37
Lamontagne 38
Hodes 42
Binnie 46
Hodes 36
Obama approval 48-52
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/new_hampshire/toplines/toplines_new_hampshire_senate_march_8_2010
Binnie up by 10? I doubt it.
Tinareports has Rubio +15 over Meeks.
Whoops
DNC and Markos of Daily Kos threaten Kucinich with a primary challenger for his NO vote on HC.
Better wait until 2012. Ohio Fed deadline was Feb 18th
BAd economic news:
Budget deficit – $221 billion, worse than expected. I believe the consensus # was $160 billion
JT,
DK is now making noise that he would become the deciding yes vote.
Once again, I think we are being played.
favorability:
Ayotte: 60-22
Binnie: 47-26
Hodes: 46-42
Lamontagne: 33-33
Hodes is wondering why he picked this year to run for the senate.
Senator Ayotte. Great recruiting job Greg Judd. I knew he wouldn’t walk away and leave us high and dry.
So Tina, the deficit will become 1.9T. That is not a big deal. It as much, much worse and devasting to our entire way of life when Bush was running one of $300B.
Keep in mind that Barry’s HC plan will cut the deficit.
We gotta hope Ayotte wins the primary though.
In my paper, Barbara Boxah has a 49 percent approval rate.
Yup, md, people like Scarfarce are strangly odd when the Obama deficits in one month exceed Bush’s for all year.
Brandon shirks away when confronted with facts. Jensen has morphed into just another lib fraud. He is no better than Carville now in regards to polling.
Ras has Alexi up 44-41
Oh yeah, Hodes is a yes on Obamacare. How’s that working out for you buddy?
LOL
About as well as it’s working out for Ellsworth in Indiana.
Here’s the link:
http://thecapitolfaxblog.com/2010/03/10/rasmussen-giannoulias-over-kirk-42-41/
That is really a surprise considering the same Ras sample showed Brady over quinn by ten
Trash poll by Rasmussen because it doesn’t have Kirk up by 10.
Yep, Senators Meek, Ellsworth, and Hodes. Keep plugging that Obamacare Barry.
IT’S A WINNER
Well the cewnsus is used to catch draft dodgers.
One minute you get the soft hand of government, a nice man at your door who wants some questions. Then all of a sudden you get the hard hand of government that was hiding before. The government will all of a sudden want you to execute Vietnamese people for them under threat of arrest and jail time.
It’s also used to find Japanese people to put them in internment camps, to catch tax dodgers, and even by local governments to enforce random laws.
Of course you don’t want to pay I fine. Just saying.
is it 44 or 42 Tommy
#225 Did I say that? I’ve been one of the biggest proponents of the argument that Kirk is one of our most overrated candidates.
Illinois is a slum
Jason,
Ras appears late with his numbers but the blog suggests that it’s 44-41, not 42-41
Brandon
I am with you. Binnie & Hodes would be closer then Ayotte & Hodes.
I see Ayotte coasting in the primary for several reasons
1. She is a legitmate conservative who is well by movement conservatives & party leadership in NH
2. With no excitment on the democrat side the indies will vote in the GOP primary this year and with 60% approval she is popular across the spectrum in NH
3. Politics is not always divide and conquer. Binnie and LaMontagne plus one other major GOP guy are contesting the nomination with Ayotte. You got three guys saying they are more conservative and better then Ayotte. I think she gets 50% of the primary vote but she could win with much less if she had to.
#229. Just kidding man. I was pre-empting some of the comments that were sure to come.
capitolfaxblog is run by Lefty Rich Miller
Brady up by 10 for governor but Kirk down 3 to a criminal.
It’s Illinois. Being a crook plays big in that state. They expect that from their elected officials. Unless you’re crooked, they think you’re dumb.
Kirk just has to sell himself a little better.
44-41 with most of the undecided voters being surburban & downstate voters. I would still rather be Kirk then Alex G.
Do we have an official RAS link yet?
A Mobster bank which is failing, 32 years old, corrupt Chicago DEM.
Disgusting that this bum is up 3. Makes no sense
Kirk has not run one TV ad yet, even in the primary. Has 15 Million in the bank. Once he runs ads he move up
Makes perfect sense, Jason. It’s Illinois.
#233 I think you are jumping the gun though. I don’t think anyone here expects the Kirk-Alexi race to be easy. Kirk isn’t really an inspiring choice.
So Rasmussen went from Kirk +6 less than a month ago, to G by 3 now? Has anything occurred to cause that shift? Any Illinois guys can help us?
Where is BayernFan with the latest NO whip count? I have bought into his method of just counting the sure NO votes and assuming the others will all be whipped into Yes votes. Are two short or three???
Phil, I live in this pergatory.
No Brandon. No shift
Phil, if Donnelly is NO,must mean Ellsworth and Hill too?
Kirk is view as a Rino – in the year of the economic conservative and perhaps an R establishment candidate.
AP/GFK poll
68% against HC being passed without GOP support
Obama is a marxist fool
I would also expect EGO Obumbler to said massive wads to help Kirk be defeated; in other words, for a Drat to retain his old seat.
Tina, Kirk is a National Reserve Pilot and has been to Iraq and Afghanistan several times to support the troops
I heard this on the radio this AM.
There are 80 House seats that the Drats have to defend. They only have $$$ to defend 40 of those seats – realistically.
Jason T, that is great and all, I am just telling you what the perceptions of him as a candidate are. Not dynamic, questionable conservative positions, R establishment candidate, etc.
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4534
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=5161#more-5161
There is a little DC prejuidance out there.
Maybe more then a little-even on the GOP side as Hutchinson drooped in TX.
I think Kirk will and can sell himself to the teaparty and downstate crowd.
With Alex G with 100% name recognition and all of his negatives. I view every undecided voter as a vote or a possible vote for Kirk.
people know Alex G. is a slime.
One can dream that it isn’t an outlier … the audacity of hope?
Jason, that would make sense. Donnelly’s is a much safer district than Hill – and of course Ellsworth has to run statewide where Obamacare is opposed by 60%.
Brandon,
What happened with TX?
Perry won most of the undecideds.
Team Despot
So Jensen had a very large undecided voter going into the primary and could not figure out how to allocate them?
Boy, RAS really nailed Texas. His last poll was Perry 48, KBH 27 Medina 16 with 9% undecided.
Final was Perry 51, KBH 30 Medina 18
Distribute the RAS undecideds and you get the final vote.
Pretty impressive being able to accurately poll an open primary.
PPP did a helluva job on Mass however. He nailed the final numbers exactly.
PPP’s problem in Florida is it’s a registered voter poll. Who is going to more likely turn out this cycle, Angry Republicans and conservative indies or Democrats? You can add substantially to the Rep candidate when you do likely numbers. The hopey change crew isn’t voting this year.
Bill Johnson’s twitter: dropping out of Kentucky race.
Is it possible that Santorum ran the robopoll on himself?
#258 C’mon man, you cannot accept that. if that were true, no pollster would ever be wrong as they could just claim all the undecideds break one way.
I was being half-serious. Having more undecideds did affect their topline number, but it was still off enough that it wouldn’t have made much of a difference. If they would have polled again before the primary, I think they would have been good.
NO loses another vote and drops to 213 as Matheson goes from NO in November to undecided. NO is now three votes short. It started at 215 in November, picked up Cao, but lost Gordon, Massa, and Matheson.
Donnelly is the latest of many YESSES to make encouraging comments (I will vote no IF the Senate Bill does not fix stuff, etc etc), but no Dem YES votes have made statements that indicate that they are clearly NO and out of play to Pelosi and Co.
My whip count is the most accurate and hardnosed indicator of how far NO is from victory, and where things are moving.
It is not intended to measure the strength of YES. That would be like trying to figure out women.
Anniversary of Biggie’s death.
265
That is the statement of someone who is in deep denial.
I am tellig all you Mark Kirk is too Liberal for the GOP base Don’t rule out a 3rd party canadate emerging that what the undecideds are looing at and also trim Captain Kirks 41% a 3rd party could get 20% and Captain Kirk would be doomed!!! Beam me up Scottie!!!
Tina, Kirk is a National Reserve Pilot and has been to Iraq and Afghanistan several times to support the troops
Comment by Jason T — March 10, 2010 @ 2:31 pm
That doesn’t matter, Jason. Heck, you could be held captive by the Vietnamese for 5 years, repeatedly tortured, and then retire from Nacy after 20 years service — and you’d still get no respect. If you don’t vote perfectly on every key issue, you’re a RINO.
That’s “the Navy”, not “Nacy”
269. “3rd party could get 20% and Captain Kirk would be doomed!”
And the Paulbots claim to be “conservatives”. In every race where there is not a Paulbot running they want Obama’s candidates to win. Harry Reid is fine with them if they can’t get a Paulbot. That is why Rand Paul will only be trouble win or lose. He wins you get Rand Paul of the Paulbot party. He loses you get a moonbat like Mongiardo.
John Kerry served in vietnam.. didn’t you here, doesn’t mean I should support his flavor of politics, or kirks or McCain or anyone else’s for that matter.
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