OR: Wyden Says He Is Cruising To Re-Election
How about a new poll from the West Coast before everyone heads to bed, although for those in Oregon where this poll is from, you are probably just finishing dinner. Democratic US Senator Ron Wyden has paid for a poll from Grove Insight showing himself well ahead of his potential Republican challengers.
US SENATE – OREGON (Grove Insight)
Ron Wyden (D-inc) 53%
Jim Huffman (R) 23%
Marc Delphine (L) 5%Ron Wyden (D-inc) 53%
Jason Atkinson (R) 22%
Marc Delphine (L) 5%Ron Wyden (D-inc) 52%
David Walden (R) 24%
Marc Delphine (L) 5%
This poll was done March 5-8 among 500 registered voters.
First.
Wow – that has been a rare feat for me.
I see that #*%%*@ Spratt of SC said he would help move the bill through next week. Nice Congressman. You voted for stimulus, Obamacare in Nov, cap and trade, and now Obamacare again.
F You.
You represent a R+8 district you blowhole.
I posted this earlier but got no response:
What is the point of the “Slaughter Rule”?
Will the Senate and Recon bills be considered one bill? If so, the entire combined bill must be passed again by the Senate. Since the massive bill has provisions that cannot go through Recon, then it must pass in normal order with 60 votes. In that case, why not just amend the Senate bill with the Recon changes?
If they are considered two separate bills (passed by the House with just one up or down vote) then the Senate can ignore the Recon bill and the separate Senate bill can be signed by Obama. How is this any different then passing the Senate bill and immediately passing the Recon fixes?
Southern Republicans love voting for Democrats for Congress though. It wouldn’t surprise me if he still won anyway.
Well, for Wyden to be below 60 is actually an underperformance for him.
Obviously he thinks so.
Palin scribbles something on her hand. What’s that say again??
Funny Libertarian video: Are you just a free range chicken?
Further reading indicates the effect is the latter of the two possibilities: the bills will be considered separate.
So, this does not change the fact the the Senate can do nothing and the Senate bill becomes law. Essentially, it allows House members to “pretend” they never voted for the Senate bill, even though their vote for the Recon bill with the rule has the effect of passing the Senate bill.
For example, Stupak can say he never voted for abortion funding. However, his vote for the Recon bill with the rule also will be a vote for the Senate bill with abortion funding. This funding goes into effect since it has been passed by the Senate. The Recon fix with abortion funding removed will die in the Senate. How is the any better for Stupak than just passing both bills in back to back votes. IN either case, he will know the Senate will never deliver on the abortion fix.
Someone explain how they can rework the bill as Pelosi says they have done tonight and make all these changes.
You have to vote on the senate bill as it is – up or down. Right? Pelosi says they have fixed the caddy tax, put a 2.5% tax on investments, changed the subsidies for low income insurance, etc etc etc.
They can only do that in conference. Correct?
Explain this to me.
They seem to be making up the rules as they go along, Phil.
This is crazy.
The final results of my poll on a hypothetical matchup between Harry Reid and Cthulhu are in, Phil:
Cthulhu-61%
Reid-37%
Tea Partyer-2%
More important, it’s outrageous.
I thought this kind of stuff could only happen in Hugo Chavez’s Venezuella.
I’m scared.
That close?
Now when Reid is down 24 points to a monstrous, soulcrushing, tentacled diabolism from beyond the stars who’s been sleeping under the Pacific for a few billion years, you know the Senate Majority Leader is in deep trouble.
Someone explain to me how slapping another 2.5% on investments is gonna help with capital formation and job creation.
F this Marxist in the WH.
I’m not only scared, I’m getting mad as hell.
If the Democrats use these made up rules to pass Obamacare, the Republicans will be able to use the same devious methodology to reverse the whole process.
The surge in Reid’s numbers was the result of an outlier among women that occurred in the second day of polling, Phil. Had it not been for that outlier, Reid would probably be down by 30+ in the poll.
You’re not the only one, Phil.
Phil,
I guess they pass the Senate bill and all those changes go through Recon.
Abortion can’t go through Recon. Even if it could, it would not get 51 votes.
So, I don’t see how this addresses abortion … or spending/taxing concerns of Dems who voted no. It just makes the spending/taxing problems worse.
How do these changes make it easier for Hill/Ellsworth types to vote yes?
Marv
Last night,the topic of famous WWII POW’s included Boyington and O’Kane. I recommend the book “The Bravest Man: Richard O’Kane and the Amazing Submarine Adventures of the USS Tang.”
Also, have you ever heard of Canadian Air Commodore Len Birchall, the savior of Ceylon? He provided inspirational leadership to allied troops while interned by the Japanese. He is one of my heroes of WWII.
Harry says he’s in good shape. The corrupt way everything is going, I wouldn’t be surprised if ACORN is allowed to count the votes.
Phil,
It’s actually a 2.9% tax … wages, dividends, interest.
Then the GOP needs to turn out people to make sure it’s not close enough for Acorn to effect the MoF, Phil.
I thought Fox News said HCR was dead?
tanda,
You asked a good question. How DOES this make it easier for Ellsworth and Hill to vote for it?
Well, Spratt said tonight he has no problem voting for it. All aboard the suicide express.
i hope Spratt loses by a few nautical miles in November.
maelstrom,
Yes, I have heard of Air Commodore Birchall, I too admired him.
http://stcathdowntown.com/files/AIR%20COMMODORE%20LEN%20BIRCHALL.pdf
I think they’re going to just make things up, invent procedures, literally do ANYTHING to get this POS through
While the media snoozes
What’s amazing is that every time they tinker with this bill, it gets worse. That’s hard to do, considering how bad it was to start.
I have the Senate bill as an F-, yet it is looking good when compared to some of these changes.
2.9% increase on investments – on top of expiration of Bush tax cuts and Obama raising the tax on capital gains by 10%.
But of course, he’s really not for redistribution of wealth. No. And we must pass this bill to find out what is in it!
These lunatics have taken over tthe asylum. Thanks hope and changies for giving this bunch the keys.
Wes,
I’d expect that the margin of Republican victories this November will exceed the margin of fraud (app 1 to 1.5%) by a large number.
The media isn’t just snoozing, they’re propagandizing 24-7.
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The Dems are making a mockery of this country and its institutions with their fraud, chicanery, and utter contempt for the rules the House and Senate are to operate under. It will certainly lead to a mammoth defeat for them in November, but the question remains: Will that be too late?
You’re right Marv. Expect these thugs to step up the fraud though.
I certainly hope so, Marv.
Get ready. We are all about to be afflicted with Eurosclerosis.
The cause? High taxes, big regulation, cradle to grave “entitlements”.
The effect? Malignant 10% unemployement, 1% GDP growth (in a good year). 8 weeks paid leave if you’ve got a case of the blues (in addition to 6 weeks vacation and 6 weeks sick leave).
The symptoms? Rioting in the streets when the government passes a law allowing (not requiring) a person to work more than 35 hours in a week.
Goodnight, folks. The sun will rise tomorrow and the battle for all that is virtuous will resume.
I think that’s what worries me Wes. You know I long ago came around to your way of thinking about the November elections. It will be a slaughter. I’m just worried about the fact that this horrible bill will be the law of the land.
It is truly a sad time to live in the US, Tanda.
Night, Marv.
Folks, Obamacare will not pass. It won’t get to Obama’s desk. Even if it does, we will dismantle it via litigation and legislation.
Welcome to France West
Let’s hope, Marv.
The Europeans can only have what they have because America provides them with foreign aid and acts as the world’s policeman when things heat up. If we become like them, then they can’t sustain their sclerotic socialist regimes. Who then will provide the world with the herewithal to sustain these marxist utopias?
Tanda & PHIL
PHIl is 1st. the Caddy tax can be fixed by reconciliation in a way. As I understand the senate bill start taxing caddy health plans in 2013 and there after. In recon you can fix it for five years (2013& 2014) but it has to be offset to be deficit neutral. So the caddie tax needs to be offset by billions in fees on employer’s part time employees. So on one hand you increase the deficit but on the other hand you decrease. An offset as I understand is okay.
There is a whole series of increases and decreases in bduget adjustments to smooth things out between the house & senate bill.
Tanda I don’t think the “no vote on the senate bill” gets around reconciliation. Unless Biden makes his own rules from the chair. I think this is the most bizarre try to pass a bill that I have ever seen.
I personally think its a no go scheme. I believe it gives democrats another reason to vote no. You don’t have to vote no on HC you can vote no on distorting the house rules. I believe its unconstituitional as well.
Tanda & PHIL
PHIl is 1st. the Caddy tax can be fixed by reconciliation in a way. As I understand the senate bill start taxing caddy health plans in 2013 and there after. In recon you can fix it for five years (2013& 2014) but it has to be offset to be deficit neutral. So the caddie tax needs to be offset by billions in fees on employer’s part time employees. So on one hand you increase the deficit but on the other hand you decrease. An offset as I understand is okay.
There is a whole series of increases and decreases in bduget adjustments to smooth things out between the house & senate bill.
Tanda I don’t think the “no vote on the senate bill” gets around reconciliation. Unless Biden makes his own rules from the chair. I think this is the most bizarre try to pass a bill that I have ever seen.
I personally think its a no go scheme. I believe it gives democrats another reason to vote no. You don’t have to vote no on HC you can vote no on distorting the house rules. I believe its unconstituitional as well.
Tanda & PHIL
PHIl is 1st. the Caddy tax can be fixed by reconciliation in a way. As I understand the senate bill start taxing caddy health plans in 2013 and there after. In recon you can fix it for five years (2013& 2014) but it has to be offset to be deficit neutral. So the caddie tax needs to be offset by billions in fees on employer’s part time employees. So on one hand you increase the deficit but on the other hand you decrease. An offset as I understand is okay.
There is a whole series of increases and decreases in bduget adjustments to smooth things out between the house & senate bill.
Tanda I don’t think the “no vote on the senate bill” gets around reconciliation. Unless Biden makes his own rules from the chair. I think this is the most bizarre try to pass a bill that I have ever seen.
I personally think its a no go scheme. I believe it gives democrats another reason to vote no. You don’t have to vote no on HC you can vote no on distorting the house rules. I believe its unconstituitional as well.
Ouch my comment was good I did it three times
Good Night
The only way I see that they can pass HC is if the House passes the Senate bill that was approved Christmas eve. Even if they try reconciliation, the GOP can gum up the works with unlimited amendments.
Bunu,
So will Paul speak at the SRLC? I still don’t see his name on the speaker list.
Good article from NRO on how Compulsary Insurance purchase is GOVT Run HC and puts the Feds in control – a control which will be used to break the system – freedom will be blamed and the statists will move into the full takeover mode:
http://article.nationalreview.com/427454/the-real-health-care-plan/the-editors
“But in a way, the combination of student loans and health care is very clarifying. On health care, we see the government annexation in its middle stages. On student loans, we see the endpoint of the process: a takeover cloaked in a budget gimmick, private-sector providers vilified as free-riding looters, and a very short memory when it comes to the benefits of competition. The Democrats’ current health-care legislation isn’t the end game, and in their more candid moments, Democrats such as Barney Frank have been open about the fact that maneuvers such as the public option are just an effort to move the ball down the field toward the goal of a total federal takeover. If you want a look at their playbook, look at how they’ve handled student loans.”
This new extra-Constitutional gambit should tell JUST HOW BIG A POWER GRAB the Democrats view this as…….
They will literally try every gambit possible to seize control – the Aemerican people need to steel themselves for a nasty fight with these statists!
“So will Paul speak at the SRLC? I still don’t see his name on the speaker list.”
I’m not sure actually. It’s weird because the Washington Independent that said he bought 800 tickets edited the article, and it disappeared.
I think there is something going on, but I think it’s uncertain. Maybe it’s a 50-50 thing. If he does speak, I don’t think he will be well organized for it though.
I think C4L was considering a push at first, but perhaps things fell through. Also it’s unclear what the schedule is in D.C. right now also.
Obama is a desperate Tyrannt – this makes him a dangerous man indeed:
http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDE1NDQ2YzQzZjc2MzdhZDJkYjNlNmUxNGExY2QzZDM=
“Instead of buying into the notion that President Obama is riding an invisible wave toward the inevitable passage of Obamacare, we should instead view him as he is: a desperate man who can’t give up on this one last, best shot to pass legislation to fundamentally shift America from the liberalism of the Founding — based on freedom and respect for inalienable natural rights — to the liberalism of the modern European Democratic Socialist state.
He can’t give up, because this cause represents everything he stands for. So he’s willing to risk a major legislative defeat. He’s willing to risk having the Democrats get slaughtered in November. He’s even willing to risk his own presidency”
This says it all about the hypocracy of the new facist tyranny of Obama:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/03/10/i-thought-insurance-companies-were-evil/
“I thought insurance companies were evil
Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)
Wednesday, March 10th at 1:20PM EST
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$436,000,000,000
Total tax credits payable directly to insurance companies included in the Senate health care bill, according to the Congressional Budget Office score and language in Section 1412(c) of H.R. 3590 (page 291).”
Here is what is at stake with CrappyCare:
http://www.redstate.com/snarkandboobs/2010/03/10/nancy-pelosis-tell/
“Now we move onto the subsequent “tell” part of the speech. She went on to say this:
“We need to focus on the next generation, not the next election,” she said.
Put aside the fact that we all know that if she and the Democrats really cared about the next generation itself, they wouldn’t be saddling them with debt before they are even born. And they would, you know, not support killing some of them before they are born. But, of course it’s not about the next generation *itself* to Pelosi and other ideologues on the Left. And it’s certainly not about the next election; they’ve shown many times that they are willing to throw each other under the bus in order to further a collective agenda.
Pelosi just admitted as much above. They don’t care about the next election.
They don’t care about the will of the people. They care about control and a “next generation” of ever growing bureaucracy and all-powerful, freedom-stifling Government. As I wrote the other day, it’s not about health care, it’s about the size and growth of Big Daddy Government and a fundamental change of our entire Country and the principles upon which it was founded. That is what she wants for the “next generation.” That is what it is all about.
If it is not about that for some of the more moderate Democrats, they’d best heed those words. Pelosi just told them that she’s more than willing to sacrifice them and their re-election bids.
I’m not trying to be a gloomy gus nor overly pessimistic. Just realistic. Some of the greatest tragedies in history occurred when people mistakenly believed “that can’t happen here.”
Nancy Pelosi aide knew of Eric Massa concerns in October
“…a Pelosi aide told POLITICO on Wednesday evening that Massa’s chief of staff, Joe Racalto, informed a member of Pelosi’s “member services” operation in October that Massa was living with several aides, had hired too many staff members and used foul language around his staff.
Racalto also raised concerns about “the way Massa ran his office” and informed Pelosi’s member-services staffer that he had asked Massa to move out of the group house on Capitol Hill, the Pelosi aide said.
Democratic insiders say Pelosi’s office took no action after Racalto expressed his concerns about his then-boss in October.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34237.html
Dave, I think your headline should read:
“Wyden thayth that he ith cruithing to re-electhion”
patches is drinking again
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000251-503544.html
47 wrote: “The Europeans can only have what they have because America provides them with foreign aid and acts as the world’s policeman when things heat up. If we become like them, then they can’t sustain their sclerotic socialist regimes. Who then will provide the world with the herewithal to sustain these marxist utopias?”
Horseshit.
Single Payer works in Europe like a top. High quality care, you get to pick your doc or specialist, no more waiting than in the US. And it is verifiably cheaper.
And the europeans can fight for themselves, thank you.