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The party-affiliation breakdown of the “pox on all politicians” segment is fascinating. Only 44% are Republicans, while 34% are independents and 21% are Democrats. That breakdown roughly mirrors the profile of people who in other polls identify themselves as Tea Party supporters. Interestingly, however, PPP finds that only about 35% of the “angriest segment” actually call themselves Tea Partiers. That’s compared to about 25% of voters in the electorate as a whole who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters.
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Go Falin
Bunu, still waiting from the other thread. Do you think the Constitution of the U.S. is necessary and if yes to you support it?
Go Calvey
Go Fallin
Go Harris
julstol
The Cole primary challenge has been under my radar
I wonder if its serious?
And I said…
“For the government to operate? Of course the Constitution is preferable if you’re going to have a government. Otherwise there would be no rules at all not that it follows the rules anyway.”
Hey, Kos says he has a poll saying Americans want the tax cuts to expire.
The pollster? Heck you know them:
The Society for Human Resource Management/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll.
7. That’s not an answer. Nobody asked you if it was for the government to operate….
Do you believe the U.S. Constitution is necessary?
the answers are YES or NO.
If YES, do you support the U.S. Constitution.
YES or NO.
RDel,
Judging from the results so far, it’s not.
Mary Fallin should win this won easily. Of course some of our know nothings will claim that she is a RINO.
No marc – but you are – at best. I actually think you are a plant.
Since Fallin is the former Lt. Gov and a current Congresswomen she is part of the establishment so according to tina that would make her a RINO.
I have been here for 6 years. Your a punk who hasn’t been here but for a couple of months.
The first thing you did was go after Angle while ignoring Reid’s daily gaffes. That proves to me that you are a plant.
Go back to Kos, Plant. Did Olby give you your talking points yet?
Oklahoma news, if any?
What are we expecting?
Buddy I’m hardly the only one here who’s has had problems with Angle’s campaign so we are all plants. Want to purge us??
Anyone see that Maradona was fired today? He’s moving to go coach Russian soccer I heard on the radio.
Marc,
She’s Palin and Erick Erickson endorsed so she’s ok
Maradona my childhood hero from back when I was playing soccer on the schoolyards.
Argentina won’t retain Maradona
But anyway I don’t want to fight. We need to focus on getting a majority and all these talk of RINO’s is bullshit. We need Republicans to win in every part of the country.
Because let me tell you. We would have alot more influence over a moderate republican then a liberal left Democrat who votes 100% in lock step with Obama. All you have to do is look at Jon Tester and Marc Begich to understand that.
Yea, that worked wonders in (he Bush controlled congress. They were Dem lite and then the voters kicked their asses out of office.
For every Santorum, I will give you 2 Dewine’s and Talents.
Cristina does not like Maradona.
Anyway Tina, the rinos have already ensured that we lost the war. They allowed all issues to be framed by the Marxists. All the conservatives can do is to try and limit the damage.
The entire game is being played on the Marxist side of the field. France lectures us on spending.
No need for strong conservatives here!
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Let’s extend UE for 10 years. Yay!
Now Jim Talent is a RINO? This is complete insanity. You MD are insane.
Yea, that’s me plant.
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Well, we have 3 days to turn the polls around (or 4, if you count the weekend).
Still waiting for your first post detailing Reid’s gaffes. Just can’t bring yourself to the task, eh plant?
Marc sounds like ???
Tina,
It’s the same kind of R. There’s a lot of them. A few are even committee people in my area. It’s enough to make you scream.
If we had DeWine and Talent we wouldn’t have Obamacare….
Sam,
Chek denies that naturally.
Can’t we all just get along?
MD, how exactly is Talent a RINO? If memoery serves, the man’s ACU rating was in the mid- to high-90s.
Arizona boycott not working. Hotel reservations, visitors are up. Chekote is going to be sooooooooooo disappointed ….
So, business is booming, and illegals are leaving the state in droves.
What’s not to like?
Jim Talents American Conservative Union score was 84% when he left Congress in 2006. Guess what’s his replacement Claire McCaskills is? 18%
So STFU. You don’t know what your talking about.
Chekote=vitriolic enemy of all efforts at border security. I’d actually like her again if she didn’t go into histrionics about how people who think the US has borders for a reason are racist pigs.
If we had elected real conservatives in places like OH who would not have permitted overspending, then yes, we could ultimately have avoided Obamacare. Instead, we had a bunch of Rino’s in office who spent like Democrats to the point where fiscal cons had enough.
I was wrong then. I woulod have thought Talent would have had a higher ACU rating. That’s infinitely better than McCaskill’s though.
Correction Jim Talents lifetime score was 92%.
http://www.conservative.org/ratings/ratingsarchive/2006/2006senate.htm#MO
According to Wikipedia it was 93%.
Who was the chief RINO during that time, MD?
Marc,
Please. You are a lightweight. Wear your bib at the adults table plant.
Lincoln Chafee.
37. 95%?? That’s not nearly enough Wes. We need 100% even if that mean 20 seats in the Senate and 100 in the House.
Marxists will pass everything they want and be in power for 200 years, but every R seat will be a thoroughbred, 100% score on every litmus test.
You got to look at the big picture, Wes, it’s not stopping the Obama trainwreck it’s making sure there are no RINO’s.
Your a dumbass and your Jim Talent smear has made that clear for everyone to see.
Fallin’s at 59% right now. I’m going to really step out into the abyss and call it for her right now.
Jul, they make me sick. They can not explain how electing big gubmint Rinos will help us defeat the Obumbler.
OK rinos have fun helping the sale of Amerika to the Marxists. You have done a fine job so far.
Wasn’t Talent for amnesty and for the Gang of 10 misfits?
That makes me want to throw up.
Actually, Marc, Chafee was a shrimp compared to the chief RINO I was thinking of during the time MD referenced.
Tina,
I know. They give the bastards cover
50. RINO meaning every republican with a brain.
Was Talent for amnesty?
Hey eyeore – screw you asshole. Seriously, you are a nobody who has added notjing but eyeoring to this site.
Talent was a very solid conservative–surprised it was 93% ACU–You have to absolutely hunt for a vote during his time when non conservative. Now DeWine did McCain/Feingold plus Gang of 14. Talent–no way.
Cole seems ahead–slow counting???
“Correction Jim Talents lifetime score was 92%.”
Horrible…. a RINO traitor liberal. He deserved to lose to Claire McCaskill now that’s a trade we can be proud about.
#59. No he wasn’t.
Seems like he was for amnesty since it was an issue that dominated the 2006 race to a certain extent.
Whenever the RINO hunter comment comes I ask this question–so far I have never got an answer.
1. What conservative plan -pushed by a GOP conservative President like Bush41-Bush43 or Reagan failed because of a RINO?
2. What massive democratic spending plan or huge takeover plan got based because of RINOs?
RINO’s are a strawman. Its the democrats that pass things when there are not enough republicans around or its a GOP President not being conservative enough
Incorrect, Tina. Talent was not part of the Gang of 14, and he had departed the Senate by the time the Gang of 10 came to be.
RDel,
Nope, Cole’s gonna run away with it. Sorry to see that. RJ was touted by a lot of Tea Partiers.
This is part of his speech on the floor of Congress:
“I oppose the bill first because it grants a broad-based amnesty—the right to legal residence and even citizenship— to 10 to 12 million people who violated our laws. Permanent residence in the United States, not to mention American citizenship, is a valuable and important privilege.
Granting these privileges under these circumstances rewards and therefore encourages unlawful immigration. It demoralizes and punishes the millions of people around the world who have respected our rules and who are trying patiently to immigrate legally into the United States, and it makes a mockery of the policy that is supposed to form our immigration laws—the desire to balance our need for workers and vision of America as a place of opportunity against the importance of protecting jobs and wages at home.
If Congress grants an amnesty under these circumstances, what will be the argument against granting another amnesty 5, 10, or 20 years from now if millions more people, in response to the incentives created by this bill, manage to enter the United States illegally? To those who say this will not happen, I say that it has already happened. Congress granted an amnesty 20 years ago for largely the same reasons under the same conditions and with the same assurances being offered in support of this bill before us today. Far from preventing illegal immigration, that amnesty has magnified the problem by four- or fivefold. What reason do we have to believe the same thing will not happen if we pass this bill, especially since the amnesty procedure in this bill is certain and takes effect immediately, while the border security provisions may not work at all and will, in any event, take years to implement? I suspect the pressure on our borders is increasing even now simply because the Senate is seriously debating an amnesty.”
DeWine was for amnesty, Tina.
I can find no evidence Talent supported it.
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The Financial Reform Bill?
Who was a critical vote – Brown.
I think that is a great goal. 20 Senate Republicans and 100 House Republicans. 100% on EVERY litmus test. Not even a whiff of a RINO anywhere. Completely extinct.
Won’t ever stop anything or pass anything and the Marxists will rule forever.
But man, you can absolutely, positively know EXACTLY how each one of those thoroughbreds will vote on EVERY issue.
Token vote, of course. But pure, very pure.
OK, Talent wasn’t a rino. You guys convinced me. I was wrong on that account.
Still waiting for asshole marc’s first critical post of Reid. Plant.
70. Because its made up. Folks like Tina and MD God bless them have won purpose and that is to help liberal democrats get elected either purposefully or inadvertently.
The smear on Jim Talent makes it very clear. Call someone a RINO who clearly isn’t and replace him with a liberal left Democrat who votes in lock step with Obama ALL the time.
I’m reaching here, I know, and I’m sure I’m putting my credibility on the line with this call, but I’m willing to say Tom Coburn has won the GOP nomination for a second term in the Senate. Anyone else with me on this?
Funny, how the comservative has to admit he was wrong on something but the rinos never have to do likewise. Never.
Marc is clearly a plant.
Talent could not clearly articulate his opinion re: illegal immigration, Wes. McFraudkill went to the right on that issue, and beat him up.
For the record, MD, you know I’m no conservative, but I consider Tom Coburn to be one of the greatest Senators ever to serve this country.
When/where did I call Talent a Rino???
Funny plant. 6 year here at HHR.
Everyone knows me. Have fun selling that.
Marc is ???
B.S watch McCaskill vote for amnesty just like she voted for very other god damn thing Obama wants.
You got what you wanted. You replaced the “RINO” with a real liberal you should be proud.
Actually, Tina, McCaskill won because Rush Limbaugh let his ego prompt him to pick a public fight with Michael J Fox over the stem-cell issue. That caused a sympathy vote for Fox-supported candidates and led to Talent’s defeat.
Marc – still waiting for a little criticism of Reid. Go ahead – do a quick google so you can state some of his gaffes in order to try and convince people you aren’t a plant.
Actually, Marc, when amnesty was going to pass before, McCaskill voted against it. Liberal as she is, I doubt she’d be likely to support it in the future.
Wes, re read the major issues of 2006, it was Talent not going against embro stem cell and illegal immigration. He refused to take a position one way or the other on the MO Law.
I do not think he was a good candidate because he let McFraudkill run all over him. Gave the impression of a timid man.
Again, >>> please tell me when/where I called Talent a plant.
Md I’m surprised it took 6 years to expose you has someone completely insane.
Yea, I agree Tina.
Sad, this site has really gone downhill lately.
OK, see everyone at some later date and time. Watching the Phils.
Funny, it took 6 minutes to expose you as an asshole and a plant.
I’m guessing the Republican Congressman in OK-3 is running unopposed. I can see no other reason for a lack of primary numbers there.
I just want to win and I think most of us do here. If we have a good candidate and they fit the state they run in we should pick them. All this insanity about who’s a RINO and who isn’t is silly and only hurts us and allows Obama to further spend us into debt and pull us into socialism.
The main goal here is to win….
ALL AGREED?
??? needs to provvide links saying that Norton would lose to the Drat (a false accusation – when I said to Buck, her opponent.
??? also needs to provide a link where/when I called Talent a Rino.
I don’t think anybody is a plant or a RINO. This RINO stuff is b.s. and a smear on people who don’t believe in group think.
I am a great fan of GWB. I am a fervent opponent of amnesty. But if GWB thought it was the right thing to do I have no quarrel with that, I won’t question his Republican credentials for that because I know his political history for 20 years. I will merely oppose his policy, which I did by actively engaging in the fight to defeat it.
Ff Talent and DeWine were RINOS I wish they were here instead of McCaskill and Sherrod Brown.
If that makes me a RINO so be it.
From the speech Brandon quoted, Tina, it looks as if Talent was very clear on his opposition to illegal amnesty. Also, he was 100% opposed to stem-cell reseacrh and made that very clear. McCaskill overtly supported the research and touted an endorsement from and money donated to her by Emily’s List. Talent may not have been a ood candidate, but it had nothing to do with his articulation of positions on issues. It was because he didn’t take his reelection bid seriously till far too late. As late as mid-2005, Talent had only $250,000 in the bank. To fend off any storng challenges, he should have had 10 times that amount in his warchest at that time.
It looks as if there’s going to be a runoff in OK-2 for the thankless task of challenging Dan Boren.
I AGREE MARC!!!!
Big upset brewing for the Dem Gov primary: Askins is beating Drew Edmondson 53-47 with 23% of precincts reporting.
After joining the Senate in 2002, Talent supported federal legislation that would ban embryonic stem cell research or federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. This included cosponsoring a bill (S.658) sponsored by Senator Sam BrownbackSam BrownbackSamuel Dale “Sam” Brownback is the senior United States Senator from the U.S. state of Kansas. During 2007, he was a candidate in the Republican primaries for the 2008 Presidential election…
, which would ban all forms of human cloning including embryonic therapeutic cloning techniques that are seen as crucial to stem cell research. This law was unnecessary because President Bill ClintonBill ClintonWilliam Jefferson “Bill” Clinton was the 42nd President of the United States from 1993 to 2001. He was the third-youngest president; only Theodore Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy were younger when entering office…
outlawed human cloningHuman cloningHuman cloning is the creation of a genetically identical copy of a human , human cell, or human tissue. The ethics of cloning is an extremely controversial issue…
in 1998.
On February 10, 2006, Talent withdrew his support for the bill, citing the need to balance research and protection against human cloning. This move followed criticism by Talent’s opponent in the 2006 election, Claire McCaskillClaire McCaskillClaire Conner McCaskill is an American Democratic politician, currently the junior United States Senator from the state of Missouri and former State Auditor of Missouri. She defeated Republican Senator Jim Talent in 2006 by a margin of 50% to 47%. She is the first female senator from Missouri…
, as well as pressure from Missouri business interests that oppose restrictions on stem cell research. Though this reversal was widely criticized as being politically motivated, Talent told the Associated Press, “The technology is changing all the time and so I’m always considering whether there is a better way to strike the balance.” Talent suggested that moral concerns might be put to rest through a possible future scientific breakthrough — replicating embryonic stem cells without the use of cloned embryos.
MD I will let marc speak for himself. But I have belittled, attacked, ranted against, and opposed Harry Reid vociferously for years. Just today I said his seat was number 1 on my wish list.
It’s a fallacy to say that if you don’t like Angle as a candidate, and I don’t, that you must then support Reid.
I hope Angle wins and Harry Reid, a truly despicable human being, loses. But there are probably 20 Nevada Republicans I would pick for the Senate before I would pick Angle. And it has nothing to do with how she will vote in the future and whether she is more or less conservative than Sue Lowden.
I am glad the Talent as a RINO thing was dialed back.
I would still rather have Dewine than Brown. Call me crazy.
And why the name calling on here?? It is embarassing for those who do that sort of thing. This is not DU.
U.S. House OK-5 is close. Calvey is up 3 points on James Lankford with 23% reporting.
See Wes, he hedged – and lost critical support. He also let the Beotch get to the right of him on amnesty. He most definetly was not a good campaign, always tended to run close elections.
Fallin has the nomination in the bag but it hasn’t been called yet.
For me, control of Congress is based on a simple majority of a party in each chamber. Until RINOs are determined to not count towards the Republican total, I will accept a few RINOs to get to 50% + 1. Is it ideal? Of course not. However, it is how D.C. works.
The other point to consider is whether you believe that a Representative or Senator’s first obligation is to represent his/her constituents or fall into line with a national agenda. For example, let’s say that a GOP representative represents a district where the majority of the constituents want him/her to vote for X even though the national GOP position is Y. I believe that the vote should be X because that is the Rep/Senator’s duty.
The Polls really messed up the Democratic Primary for Governor.
Latest Polls had all Edmondson in the lead.
I guess that happens when you’ve CLOSED PRIMARIES.
“The technology is changing all the time and so I’m always considering whether there is a better way to strike the balance.”
That makes Talent a RINO?
Daniel, I think Edmondson not joining the lawsuit that a number of AGs had filed on states’ behalf regarding Obamacare hurt him.
I’ll wait to call it for Coburn, there are still some votes to be counted. You never know.
Please link where I called him a Rino, Jason. Otherwise, please STFU.
Maybe he hedged, Tina, but that issue didn’t kill him. Missourians supported stem-cell research, and McCaskill was vocal in her support. When Rush Limbaugh decided to let his ego run away with him and publicly fight with Michael J Fox about it, Talent was done.
#109. How would that hurt him in a Democratic primary?
I only indicated that he flipped on a position, and let McFraudskill get to the right of him on amnesty. On this issue, she has voted against amnesty. However, she is still a big gubmint Marxist.
AP calls it for Fallin.
Some here think that saying someone is running a bad campaign or was damaged before they were nominated is saying you want them to lose. I want candidates to win each cycle that I think are running a bad campaign.
Never said it did, but his apparent flip flop hurt. He lost the race by 3 percent in an anti-R environment. But he only won his 2002 race by 1 point +/-.
Again, I ask where and when did I call him a Rino to those who made that allegation?
No one saw that coming, I bet, Brandon.
Brandon, there are a lot of Democrats here in Oklahoma that are not happy about Obamacare getting passed either.
114-she voted against amnesty when it was obvious it was going to lose anyway. She will vote for it when she is the deciding vote. Her vote was another great moment in blue fraud history.
Tina I thought it was someone else, with little knowledge of Talent, who called him a RINO and not you.
Ding ding ding, you win a prize AC1 for figuring that one out.
It was not you, AC1, or Wes.
“I believe that the vote should be X because that is the Rep/Senator’s duty.”
Oh please, what garbage. Why have representatives at all? Just take a poll on every issue and save the money.
The reason you have elected officials is that you appoint them to make decisions in your name which hopefully will be based on better information and facts than you have by a person who is now devoted to that purpose. You are in effect appointing a proxy like you would in a corporation, where you expect the officers to make decisions that are based on the interests of the shareholder.
IF you don’t like the decisions the person made in your name you have elections (or shareholder meetings) to replace them.
But to suggest elected officials are there to just vote according to prevailing winds and nothing else is asinine.
Strong areas for Edmonson still to report.
Ac1, true but I thought Edmondson would have been up big at this point.
Phil, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2010/07/27/charlie-rangel-will-not-resign/
Where’s my popcorn??!!!
“Please link where I called him a Rino, Jason. Otherwise, please STFU.”
I was not the person who said you called him a RINO, you are barking up the wrong tree.
Rangel could be this cycle’s Mark Foley: the gift that just keeps giving to the minority party. Pelosi’s Culture of Corruption is going to majorly bite her in the ass.
126-yes it is closer than most thought it would be but it still could go either way.
Rangel is 80 years old. This is the whole banana for him, he has little incentive to commit hara-kiri for the “good of the party”.
Order me a big gulp to go with that popcorn.
See your 108 since you are impaired.
WashPo just sent me an e-mail saying the AP called the GOP gubernatorial nod for Fallin. I called it for her al most an hour ago, you idiots!
Rangel seems to be of the stance “If I go down, you’re all going with me!” LOL!!
Jason – I’m not jumping into the “you suck no you suck” debate. As you say, “The reason you have elected officials is that you appoint them to make decisions in your name which hopefully will be based on better information and facts than you have by a person who is now devoted to that purpose.” Well, what do you do if it is the best interest of your constituents to vote a certain way even if it is the opposite of the national view on the issue. I would prefer to not state that you are not smart enough to grasp the issue but you are making it difficult to refrain from saying it.
I am not saying that the popular will is always correct but you come dangerously close to sounding like a liberal Democrat when you assume that the voters are always wrong if the brilliant elected official says so.
I have to wholeheartedly applaud Rangel for taking that stance then, Phoenix.
Can Rangel blame whitey, Fox, and Breitbart?
1994 appetizer anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w547bo2Np4&feature=related
Can Oklahoma count votes any slower?
Lots of RINO talk lately, which means election time is near. Bottom line, Conservatives are getting antsy. We know and expect the RINOS to screw us and therefore the country as soon as they can.
It won’t take too long after the midterm election before the population realizes that the GOP just happended to mover further to the right then the Dimwits. For many of voters, it will be seen as nothing more than an election year ploy. We will likely lose many of these seats in 2012.
I hope it isn’t as bad as I envision, but I’ve been following politics and politicians long enough go call it like I see it.
I lost track. I think that MD and JulStol are on the same team and Tina has joined them. Wes was against MD but they seem to have made up. Jason thinks that I am asinine but I think that he is not grasping my point. We need Chekote back so we can all agree on something to close the day.
You mean like saying Loudmouth was in the driver’s seat in the Arizona Senate primary, Tony?
You can have Chekote, Bitter. Leftwing opponents of border security aren’t exactly my thing.
BL, et tu?
I don’t even understand what Tony is trying to get at in his post. Can you clarify?
??? and >>> are open borders.
Basically, Brandon, Tony has concluded since the GOP isn’t nominating all “pure conservatives” in an effort to–gasp!–win elections, the GOP isn’t serious about changing things in Washington. He believes the American people will conclude similarly in 2012 and purge many freshman Republicans at that time.
Who is >>>, Tina?
No, Tina. I want the most conservative Republicans that can be elected. Unfortunately, places like Maine, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Delaware, etc. are not going to vote for the same degree of conservatism as Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Utah, etc. I want the GOP to remain a national party, not a party only for the South and the Mountain states.
Wes, I was over at my local Republican office tonight and I noticed some sort of cupholder from the 1996 Al Salvi Senate campaign, and I thought of you.
Would it help if I said that I would like to place mines on the border? I would.
That reminds me, Corey. My girlfriend knows how much I loathe Al Salvi, GWB, and Barack Obama, so for my birthday yesterday she presented me with a really unusual gift: three dartboards with their faces airbrushed onto them. I couldn’t help laughing when I saw them.
Bitter,
That’s why I don’t really consider you a RINO. We just have different priorities.
Erich on the other hand…
Happy Birthday! (shocked and depressed that I am actually a few months older than you, but oh well….)
Leave GWB alone! I still have a GWB shrine in place here.
Al Salvi will always be the first U.S. Senate nominee I ever voted for, but I opposed him in both of his statewide primaries. Good enough guy though. Never met him.
How in the hell does your gf know what Salvi looks like? That is a very obscure politician even if she hears you rant about him all the time. LOL
Jason T hates Salvi almost as much as I do, Corey. I have no clue what the hell the GOP was thinking in nominating him. Thanks for the happy birthday.
“You mean like saying Loudmouth was in the driver’s seat in the Arizona Senate primary, Tony?”
Wes, I have to admit I have a bad memory, so if you could show the board where I said that, all of us would really appreciate it. I don’t think I said that.
I do recall, however, saying that JD was driving the backstabber to the right. (btw, you sound like LAZ when you call him “Loudmouth” ). Bottom line, if elected Senator, JD would be hands down better than McCain.
Google images, Gary.
Since the Drat plants and pseudo cons, that claimed X – on two threads, did not provide the links, I conclude that the plants made sheot up and can go phuq themselves.
I am done for tonite.
I was thinking the same thing two years later when the GOP nominated Peter Fitzgerald for the U.S. Senate (he was considered to the right of Salvi), but thankfully circumstances allowed him to narrowly win the general election.
However, I do say as a Pro-Life conservative, had the moderate Republican woman won that 1998 primary, she would probably still be in the Senate today, and I would be one of the few people here who had ever even heard of Barack Obama.
Night, Tina.
Thune on Greta just said he hasn’t made a decision to run yet.
On the bright side, MA seems on the verge of adopting a law that will ensure that a Republican will carry its electoral college votes from time to time.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/07/mass_legislatur.html?p1=News_links
What about me on the other hand? I support Republicans who can win, and not some pie in the sky purist nonsense. Don’t get me wrong I WOULD LOVE to elect Jim DeMints and Tom Coburns across the country. But, I live in Maryland and the best we can do is Bob Ehrlich’s, and I tell you what, I have lived under both Governor Ehrlich and Governor O’Malley. And I can see, and feel the difference. Under Ehrlich we have surpluses, record employment, a great housing market, people were spending money, small businesses were opening at a rate we’d never seen, and we had real solid hope for Maryland. Under O’Malley, we have deficits, higher taxes, 2x the unemployment, raiding of budgets, a housing burst the likes of which we’ve never seen, and people are really, very angry. So, Jul, I would for you to come Maryland and tell us that leftist O’Malley is better than a Center-Right Bob Ehrlich. Come to Maryland, and tell it to us! Come on!
Brandon, Wes, why do you guys think 2006 and 2008 happened? It wasn’t Conservatives that turned off the GOP and had them sitting home, it was those RINOS siding with the Democrats (read McCain) that caused us to lose as bad as we did.
And it wasn’t the leadership that was at fault for the losses. Every Senator and Representative is responsible for his or her own vote.
#164
the fact there is even a challenger calling Ehrlich too liberal is fucking pathetic. yes, I dropped the f bomb, because in this instance it emphasizes the obvious. There are some truly idiotic, suicidal goofs in the GOP out there who really would enjoy 30 GOP seats if they were 100% ACU. MOST of us realize that is ridiculus. Though many are sick of getting cheated on by Republicans who then vote and spend like Dems. Their anger is justifiable..
but not when it gives us people like Obama.
Tina
so in the last thirty years of RINO hunting we got Dodd-Franks that passed because Brown-Snowe-Collins were for it. 57-3 and its Brown-Collins-Snowe’s fault?
That’s it. Twenty of years of GOP Presidents and not a single conservative effort of theirs failed because of RINOs. If Reagan-Bush41-Bush43 were not more conservative it was not the RINOs fault it was the fault of Reagan-Bush41-Bush43.
What huge liberal effort of Clinton or Obama got to 218 with RINO’s in the house?
The passage of liberal bills in the last 30 years (34 if add in Carter years) have been done by democrats. Conservative efforts that failed because of RINO’s–can’t think of any.
logic would dictate then that we need less democrats and more republicans of any stripe
At our GOP HQ tonight here in suburban Cook County, IL, I also noticed a placard from Arlen Specter’s failed Democrat primary bid in PA this year. Not sure what that was all about, but it was sorta on the floor anyway.
Well,
If the OK Dem Governor Primary is any Indication we’ll be having a very long Night again next week when Michigan Votes.
The GOP GOV Primary there could be a very close one.
Fin, Boy, I tell you what I agree with you… I mean man, I am a member of the Maryland Right to Life (have the license plates and everything), so I am quite Conservative – but the rightwing even scares ME!
What states vote next week Daniel? Just Michigan or others too? I know you have all that covered.
Erich,
Ehrlich is worlds better and I hope he wins. Didn’t realize that you were a maryland resident. Yeah, you need every Republican you can get regardless of stripe. Agreed
Guys, this one is going to be really, really tight in the Dem governor primary and OK-5. Calvey is up on Lankford by ~300 votes.
Askins might pull this one off.
Corey,
Kansas (Go Tiahrt!)
Missouri
Phoenix,
Ru
Runoff state
…apparently there was a stutter in that post lol
Does anyone know who is more conservative Edmondson or Askins
I always assumed it was Edmondson
Julstol, no.
Tough to tell. I think Askins is the more liberal one with looking at her campaign commericals. However, that Obamacare thing through Edmondson for a loop.
threw…I must be getting sleepy or becoming grammatically senile.
Phoenix,
Yes, it is. The runoff is August 24th
Would be an interesting sociological dynamic between two female candidates in Askins and Fallin. They don’t exactly look alike. Wonder how that would play out with some….
167 Great post, but here is how I would answer it:
We know there are certain Republican Senators that are nothing more than liberal politial whores. There are also many Democrat political whores. Problem is, Democrat Whores watch and wait for the GOP political whores to give them cover. It never happens the other way around.
I would support ehrlich for president. And not just bc we share a last name. He is a proven conservative leader
Huh? You’re kidding. Got a link?
Tony
in a odd sort of way you hit the nail on the head. Until recently there were 6 to 9 moderate democrats who would easily offset the votes of 4 to 8 GOP rinos. The DINOs and RINOs more or less canceled out.
How votes since Jan 2001 have we seen every democrat but one or two vote liberal??? its stunning-it really is.
I don’t want to recent W’s Presidency(because I still love and admire the man) but what conservative plan of his failed for lack of votes?? How many vetos did he cast? He got everything passed that he pushed. Just not enough of it was conservative. No RINO’s did him in.
I follow this line–elect the most conservative republican you can to every state.
Ok, thanks Justol. I’m out of it tonight. http://newsok.com/oklahoma-elections-kevin-calvey-james-lankford-to-runoff-in-5th-district-race/article/3480134
This is actually quite surprising. I think Lankford could pull this off in a two way race. Calvey has a lot of big name endorsements but Lankford is quite well liked.
No problem Phoenix. I have a 2 hour drive home from the office.
RD, I admit I didn’t quite look at it the way you explained it. Interesting.
My take away on your post is that the political whore score has shifted, so one side has an advantage.
Someone clear this up for me. Doesn’t this law that Massachusetts is going to pass violate the Equal Protection clause in the Constitution among other things? Something tells me this wouldn’t pass constitutional muster in the federal courts.
#191 Nope. Technically Article II (I believe it’s article two) states that the legistlatures (read state legislatures) have final say over who is and is not the state electors. Normally the state legistlatures cede this power to a statewide election, but that is not a constitutional requirement.
-Polaris
OK is a definite runoff state–The only non slave state to have one. Not saying runoffs are racial or anything. Historically the Runoff states are TX-OK-LA-AR-MS-AL-GA-FL-NC-SC
for whatever odd reasons TN does not have it while VA has had an odd history of even having primaries.
Thanks Polaris. I was curious.
To clarify further in post 191, as a US Citizen, you don’t automatically have a right to vote for president or even have your vote counted to determine who the electors for president should be.
That power lies strictly with each individual state.
The reason that Gore and Palm Beach got into trouble in Florida, is ONCE a system of voting has been established for an entire state, then the equal protection argument can be made.
-Polaris
Wow, big surprise in the OK GOP Attorney General race. Scott Pruitt upends Ryan Leonard. Pruitt is a businessman but kind of a shotgun politician. You know, one who likes to run for any type of political office. He already served in the OK legislature, ran and lost for Lt. Governor and picks up the GOP nod for the AG spot.
Isn’t Ryan Leonard the son in law of former OK Governor Frank Keating?
If I have to guess I say Askins by 1000 votes–she is doing in Tulsa and Rogers should be 55% for Edmondson based on Wagoner county
Thats my guess a 1000 vote win for an upset
PH or anyone insights into congressional races in OK? Can the GOP win the AG office?
Can Massachusetts make it retroactive and give Nixon a unanimous victory in 1972?
#199 ‘fraid not.
-Polaris
All OK Congressional races should be easy GOP victories, except for Boren’s district. While very conservative, it would still be a pretty big upset to up-end him there, and would really signify a national wave.
However, if the GOP does win Congress, or if it extremely close, Boren is probably one of the most likely targets for a party switch or some sort of GOP/Blue Dog Coalition controlling the House.
rdel,
Recount?
My guess is a Recount if it’s really within 1000 Votes.
Daniel G
great point–lets do OK recount on the democratic side
I might add that Jari Askins appears to be be twice the woman Mary Fallin is.
No brag just fact
after that unkind remark I am off to bed
Rdel — Yes, Obamacare is a huge issue and that will be a huge boost for Scott Pruitt in carrying the GOP to win the AG race. Even though Kevin Calvey is the candidate with the endorsements from Red State, Chamber of Commerce, etc., James Lankford is quite well liked. I watched a debate the other night and among all the GOP candidates, he was the one that impressed me the most in OK-5. It will be very difficult for the GOP to win in OK-2 and upend Dan Boren, especially as it will go to a runoff.
I’m real close to calling the race for Askins by the way. 3400 vote lead with 95% of precincts reporting. Edmondson has to pull 700 vote margins in each 1% of precincts to pull this out. I don’t think he’ll be able to do it.
Calling it for Askins. 2700 vote lead with 97.5% of precincts reporting.
WOW. Askins wins by a ~1500 vote margin. That was very tight.
I demand a recount. It’s money well spent.
Okay, for those of us who aren’t up on OK politics, what is the upshot of today’s election?
Who are the big names?
Where are they on the conservative-to-liberal continuum, and how do they compare to 2008?
Anything surprising?
Anything suggestive trends, or that points to 2012?
I forgot to say, “Good Evening, dear HHRs.”
ERICH — We’re planning an HHR party on 03 September in Washington DC in conjunction with the APSA (political science nerds) that’s meeting that week.
Later, I’ll have more details, but we’re hoping to have it at the Cap Hill Club that evening (nothing finalized yet.) Hope you can make it as you’re a MD resident.
This invitation is obviously extended to ALL of you who may be in DC. Please come!
K
Wow, what an idiotic night of name-calling and RINO-hunting. The voices of reason tonight were Jason, Wes, Marc, and especially Rdelbov. They are correct that worrying about RINOs is stupid. Nice try in trying to keep order, guys, but sadly some on this site have lost the focus on who are real targets should be: Democrats!
165–Brandon, Wes, why do you guys think 2006 and 2008 happened? It wasn’t Conservatives that turned off the GOP and had them sitting home, it was those RINOS siding with the Democrats (read McCain) that caused us to lose as bad as we did.
Comment by Tony — July 27, 2010 @ 10:11 pm
Tony, I have to answer this one! Puh-lease do NOT misplace the blame! Who “caused” those cowards to sit home? Any “conservative” who stayed home and didn’t vote in 2006 or 2008 was responsible for their own cowardly, unpatriotic actions! Agreed? No one forced them to stay home. Please get off this “the RINOs (or the 82% conservative) forced them to sit home”. You know that’s not true. I’m so sick of hearing about the “10 million good conservatives” who stayed home in 2008. If they really exist, there is nothing “good” about them. They are just pure cowards! Can we at least agree on this one?
there are at least five types of rinos
economic rinos like bush 2
foreign policy rinos like ron paul
social rinos like snowe
immigration rinos like mccain
religious rinos like newt
there could be more … for example bush 2 was a spending rino, but not a tax rino
of the different types of rinos, social rinos are the most dangerous long-term … but spending and tax rinos are bad in the short-run right now
LaZebra
On the issue of castigating and pigeon-holing people in the GOP as RINOs, I totally agree with you and some others here. So much energy is spent on the degrees of separation between a real conservative and one that might exhibit some “moderate” blood in his/her veins.
The divisiveness, just within the GOP itself, becomes almost as toxic and exhausting as defending yourself against big government and the liberal left.
I also agree that I have no sympathy or tolerance for Conservatives who pouted and stayed home because they were dissatisfied with the choice of McCain as their candidate. If you don’t vote it’s the same thing as voting for the worst guy on the ballot.
“Any “conservative” who stayed home and didn’t vote in 2006 or 2008 was responsible for their own cowardly, unpatriotic actions!”
no, they just refused to be bullied into accepting your preferred candidates.
if you put up people like mccain … you will lose, and rightfully so.
“If you don’t vote it’s the same thing as voting for the worst guy on the ballot.”
no, it is expressing dissatisfaction with every candidate on the ballot.
for example, in theory my vote is potentially “gettable” by the republicans in 2012 … i do not like obama.
however, if you put up someone i completely disagree with, i would prefer to not participate rather than commit the sin of commission …
for example, i cannot conceive of voting for huckabee … given the choice of obama vs. huckabee i would not vote.
Is it rare, at least on a presidential level, for either R 0r D candidates to be so repulsive that voters from their parties choose to stay home?
Or, is it more the case that one’s candidate is simply uninspiring and dull, and doesn’t motivate voters to get off the couch?
Historically, the lowest percentage of voters turnedout in 1996 for Dole v. Clindon (49.1 percent). I can see Dole being uninspiring, but he’s not the candidate that Rs “completely disagreed with.”
In 1988, only 50.1 percent of voters actually voted for Bush v. Dukakis. Again, the choices were pablum, not repulsive though perhaps Dukakis may have been revolting to Ds — don’t know.
Repubs tend to reward loyal soldiers in the party, the time-worn candidates. McCain comes to mind, in 2008; Dole in 1996; Bush elder in 1988.
I don’t see Dems having that same sense of seniority and respect for their “elders.” Maybe, then, D voters are confronted with truly repulsive candidates in a way that R voters couldn’t imagine?
So, I’d hazard a theory that milquetoast candidates such as Dole and elder Bush, on the R side, cause the drop off in voting, not repulsive candidates, whom we rarely run. Part of the vetting process by Rs gives us poll-tested, bland candidates, who look and sound similarly, and can not inspire.
In my opinion, this is why running a honest, plain-spoken Christie against the slick, slimy Obama would be a easy win. Christie would bring R voters out in droves. He’s just different.
#214:
Looks really strange to see “Newt” and “religious” in the same sentence.
Bitterlaw was here last night?
I don’t think the GOP tends to reward dull people with the nominee. I think the sample size is way too low for us to generalize upon that.
VP’s of 2-term presidents almost always get the nod to run. It happened with Nixon, Bush Senior, and Gore. Nothing particularly unique there.
In Bob Dole’s case, there really were not a lot of strong candidates that ran.
And Reagan was definitely not the establishment choice at the time. The conservative wing of the party really pushed Reagan to the front.
So the GOP is not naturally beholden to establishment candidates, I think that’s just where the cards happened to fall.
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Now for the dems, they tend to pick unexpected candidates I think for one reason. The Democratic Iowa Caucus is an Open Caucus. That gives an incredible amount of power to netroots and strategic vote-manipulation.
And winning Iowa is a big get. Remember Obama didn’t have the popular vote legitimately. His entire lead early on was predicated on his netroot thugs beating up old people at the caucuses. Carter won because of Iowa too.
So blame the crazy system of the democrats for their slightly more unconventional candidates.