Romney Leads GOP Field

Earlier yesterday, the Associated Press and GfK released a new poll on the presidential race showing Mitt Romney still in front among Republicans for the nomination.

Mitt Romney 30%
Herman Cain 26%
Rick Perry 13%
Ron Paul 8%
Newt Gingrich 7%
Michele Bachmann 4%
Jon Huntsman 2%
Rick Santorum 2%

Barack Obama (D-inc) 48%
Mitt Romney (R) 45%

Barack Obama (D-inc) 51%
Rick Perry (R) 42%

Barack Obama (D-inc) 49%
Herman Cain (R) 43%

This poll was done October 13-17 among 431 Republicans and 1000 adults. Another one from yesterday morning for the mayoral race in New York City from Quinnipiac University where police commissioner Ray Kelly leads the Democratic field.

Ray Kelly 25%
Christine Quinn 17%
Marty Markowitz 14%
John Liu 10%
Bill Thompson 8%
Bill de Blassio 6%
Scott Stringer 5%
Tom Allon 0%

This poll was done October 12-16 among 1068 registered voters.

Another busy day ahead….

Posted by Dave at 7:01 am
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322 Responses to “Romney Leads GOP Field”

  1. Mose says:

    Romney is starting to creep ip into the 30’s.

  2. AuH2ORepublican says:


  3. Addisonst says:

    abc easy 1 2

  4. Addisonst says:

    easy as 1 2.

    Looks like Momar the desert drag queen was captured

  5. Phil says:

    The AP poll showing Obama ahead in the GE is Dem +8.

    All I can say is that if after the last three years if the electorate that turns out at the polls in 2012 turns out to be D+8, you will not see another Republican president in our lifetime. It will mean the demographics have become impossible for the GOP.

  6. Phil says:

    I see the left has started their assault on Mormanism.

    Right on schedule.

    Thanks, Maureen.

    Obama must win. Whatever it takes, right?

  7. BayernFan says:

    If Cain does not get the nomination, is he the type that would think about running as a 3rd party candidate? Seeing as he says GOP candidates are getting on his nerves?

  8. jones says:

    Any third party on the right would be ignored, and the careers of the people in it ruined.

  9. Phil says:

    Sure, Bayern. I’m sure the left will be happy to help fund any Cain third party run and the MSM will be glad to provide whatever help they can as well.

    Obama must win. Whatever it takes.

  10. MD says:

    Yes and Phil they are going on the attack early because they know Mitt will be the easiest to beat. Love that logic!!!!

    Wel, Obi Wan tells me Perry is still the man.

  11. Addisonst says:

    Cain might take some black votes as a 3rd party candidate no longer tethered to the racist party.

  12. MD says:

    Yea, Cain could win as a third party guy and do no damage to the R party.

    Do you ever wonder why some call you fiscus?

  13. Phil says:

    The attacks on Mormonism are entirely predictable. Even the sources of the attacks are right where you’d expect them to come from. The Maureen Dowed and Bill Mayer’s will ridicule it. The Obama campaign will deny they have “anything to do with such religious prejudice” while the MSM will do various “investigatory reports” as just a public service “to give the American voters more FACTS to help them decide in November”.

    The Obama campaign will be “scorched earth” ala Harry Reid, but will make sure to let “others” do all the dirty work.

    The Reid campaign wrote their playbook, and we all know an incumbent with positive approvals in the mid thirties cannot possibly win.

  14. Phil says:

    Look for a presser soon from Senators Buck and Angle to endorse Cain or Perry any day now.

  15. mnw says:

    I see Clydesdales.

  16. Brandon says:

    Iowa Caucus poll from Ras at 10:30. Perry vs. Obama at noon.

  17. Bitterlaw says:

    Today’s topic:

    Best Rock Lyric. I nominate:

    You’re the cutest thing I ever did see – really love your peaches want to shake your tree.

  18. Bitterlaw says:

    Brealing News- Monkey is still on the loose. Monkey will challenge Dennis Kucinich for Congressional seat.

  19. MD says:

    Phil – It is the old Clinton strategy. Have you proxies say vile things (planting the seed), then you (you being Barry in this case) swoop in and play the adult.

    It is all well scripted ahead of time. A big element of politics is like pro wrestling.

  20. Bitterlaw says:

    MD – I can’t hate you. You had me when you called Gary a d-bag.

  21. MD says:

    20 – Yea, I will take credit for extending the life of the Maxwell thing.

  22. Bitterlaw says:

    Wait until Glen Beck defends Mormonism. Both of the people who pay to watch his internet show will rise up!

  23. MD says:

    Talk our ruining your career.

  24. Chekote says:

    Both sides have proxies… and Cain is pro-choice.

  25. Bitterlaw says:

    I bought Beck’s Christmas Sweater book for my wife. I never read it.

  26. Bitterlaw says:

    Chek can breathe again.

  27. marc says:

    Can Phil be anymore of a fatalist eyeore this morning.

  28. Mose says:

    #5 Phil: Even at D+8, it’s not a bad poll for Romney. It’s a registered voter poll. To account for the fact that the average Republican will turn out at a higher rate than the average Democrat, a conservative adjustment would be to remove one point from Obama and add one point to Romney. So, in my view, this poll shows a tie between Obama & Romney, and given the difficult economic climate, I would think that the challenger would win the lion’s share of the undecided vote.

    That’s as far as I go generally in adjusting polls though (having unhappily followed Polaris down the poll-adjusting rabit hole in 2008).

  29. Phil says:

    You’re right. Obama can’t possibly win.

  30. Bitterlaw says:

    Polaris could make numbers dance. It was magical.

  31. Phil says:

    Yep, Polaris was no “eyeore”.

    He made everyone happy.

  32. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m still not convinced Obama won. Polaris nailed it, baby, nailed it!

  33. marc says:

    With a competent candidate who can communicate his positions he’s very unlikely to.

    Reid would not have won if he didn’t have Angle to run against.

    Apples and oranges like Cains says.

  34. marc says:

    If your gonna eyeore have a reason to eyeore Phil. You have no reason so

  35. Bitterlaw says:

    MD – where can I send my resume? I updated it to include all my failures. I’m the man your company is looking for!

  36. MD says:

    Just read the ABC Note Blog. Uh oh. Herman commits a major, and I mean major, gaffe.

    Cain is pro choice regarding individual choice. He will now have to go back on that as well. He is flipping more than a mackeral on shore.

  37. MD says:


    So while Cain indicated a personal objection to abortion, he alluded to an individual’s right to choose. “I can have an issue on a opinion without it being a directive on the nation. The nation shouldn’t be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decision that they need to make.”

    During the hour-long interview, Morgan also polled him on the current GOP field and revisited some of Cain’s recent controversies since his rise in the polls. Controversies including his comments about an electrified fence along the southern border of the United States, releasing Guantanamo prisoners in exchange for Americans, Occupy Wall Street protestors, and his belief that homosexuality is a choice. Cain stood his ground on most assertions he’s made in the past.

  38. mnw says:

    Budweiser beer is still #1!

    bum bum bum bum

    Budweiser beer is second to none!

    bum bum bum bum

    I actually enjoyed the nine timeouts for pitching changes. Plenty of time for pit stops, & you get to see all your favorite new commercials six or seven times in the same game too.

    The NFL can’t touch that.

  39. Bitterlaw says:

    Where will the Cainiacs go now? Newt?

  40. MD says:

    38 – Actually, I think that probably helps him with swing state females potentially but will certainly not help him with the base. Wow. They really need to message control Herman.

  41. marc says:

    What’s the next flavor of the month?

  42. MD says:

    So now people on this board, who claim the mantle of conservatism are pushing for a candidate who is pro-choice and another who pushed for FED mandates on Health Ins. in 2005 with HRC and did a commercial with Nancy Pelosi on Global Warming.

    But the reluctance to the person who is clearly the best candidate has NOTHING and I mean NOTHING to do with his religion. Yea, sure.

  43. Bitterlaw says:

    Mnw – were all the pitching changes by LaRussa? I didn’t watch.

  44. MD says:

    Herman doesn’t mention Perry. Hmmm….

    Asked who were the candidates he respected the most as potential nominees, Cain made it clear that his chances were still looking good. “Well, I would say Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney – that I would feel comfortable if I didn’t get it. But I have a lot of confidence in the type of job they would do.”

  45. marc says:

    I guess Cain didn’t like being called brother.

  46. MD says:

    Sorry Bunu:

    Asked who were the candidates he respected the most as potential nominees, Cain made it clear that his chances were still looking good. “Well, I would say Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney – that I would feel comfortable if I didn’t get it. But I have a lot of confidence in the type of job they would do.”

    Asked who he would have the least respect for? Cain hesitated then finally settled on Congressman Ron Paul.

    ” I don’t believe Representative Ron Paul would be a good president,” said Cain. “Because most of his ideas and positions are eliminate rather than fix. We need to fix a lot of things in this country. I don’t believe in throwing the baby out with the bath water. We have more things that we can fix than things that we can do away with.”

    In his new book, Cain singled out Ron Paul supporters for asking “stupid questions” regarding the Federal Reserve at his campaign stops.

  47. MD says:

    Sorry Chekote:

    Cain also spoke about his views on homosexuality being a choice, a claim he first made on ABC’s “The View,” where he said there was no scientific evidence to show otherwise. Cain delved into that during his interview with Morgan.

    In his interview with Morgan, Cain said: “I think it’s a sin because of my biblical beliefs and although people don’t agree with me, I think it’s a personal choice. Show me evidence other than opinion and you might cause me to reconsider that.”

  48. Bitterlaw says:

    MD, you ignorant slut. You need to start reading the HHR guidelines. The following issues do not matter to conservatives:
    Health care mandates (except Romneycare)
    Global Warming (except Romney’s statements)

    Got it?

  49. MD says:

    Of course, this all solidifies the brilliant analysis put forth by AUH that Newt will be our nominee.


    That would be our loss.

    Fortunately, I have a better chance of a 3 way with Cheryl Casone and Mandy Drury than Newt does of winning anything.

  50. SUSYQUE says:

    Our Babies Are Unprotected

    52 million babies slaughtered since the
    1960’s. A great loss for our country.

  51. MD says:


    The funniest part was a month ago when some individuals who have always been strident against amnesty in all forms started to have a new “openess” to the idea.

    Nothing to do with anyone’s religion though.

    In all seriousness, that is Romney’s mountain to climb. It is bigotry that is largely silent. He lost FL based on that in 08. The Huckabee team did a great job in the panhandle of whispering “Do you really want to vote for a Mormon”?

    It was well known that was going on and the FL team begged Romney to address it head on. He did not want to because he thought it would make matters worse. That was one of my concerns about Romney – that he wouldn’t fight hard enough. Based on his recent actions, I think we will be OK in that regard.

  52. MD says:

    50 – Infanticide. Let’s call it what it is.

  53. SUSYQUE says:

    Mr. Bitter… abortions matter to conservatives. Rick Santorum is their voice. He is an honorable man because he cares about family.

  54. Bitterlaw says:

    Cain is pro-choice and Perry, Bachmann, Newt, and Santorum have failed to take down the evil Romney. What will SUSYQUE do now?

  55. MD says:

    LOL! Couldn’t see this one a mile away.

    APNewsBreak: Greek 2nd rescue deal seen not enough
    APNewsBreak: Greek creditors say 2nd rescue package not enough but recommend next loan payout

  56. marc says:

    MD I think it’s less of an issue then you make it out to be.

  57. Bitterlaw says:

    I voted for Santorum 3 times for Senate. Abortion matters but if Cain is pro-choice, the anti-Romney people will say it’s no big deal as they hop on the Cain Train.

  58. MD says:

    53 – Is that your next option Sus?

  59. MD says:

    marc – You are right. The base doesn’t care about any of those things.

  60. MD says:

    Anyone but the “mormon” eh?

  61. Bitterlaw says:

    Greece is a Euru-addict. Enough is enough.

  62. marc says:

    I’m not talking about the base. I’m talking about the general public at large.

  63. marc says:

    The hardcore Christians that care about it aren’t supporting Romney right now.

  64. MD says:

    They MUST default. This is all nonsense. Let them default and create Euro bonds for the remaining countries that could be affected (Italy, Portugal, Spain, Ireland) and inject them into those banking systems.

    It is either that or they can wait until the entire house of cards falls. Then, it will be eveyone’s problem including ours. Come to think of it, that is probably what they are waiting for.

  65. MD says:

    62 – You have to get through the primaries first. I hear all this nonsense that Romney is NOT conservative enough to make (has NOTHING to do with religion – bullchit) it through the primaries but as EVERY other candidate is similarly exposed, all I hear then is excuses on how it is “OK” and no one really cares about that stuff or in some cases they just ignore it.

    Not about religion though. No siree!

  66. jason says:

    ” I knew he was just bullchitting the SoCons. He is doing the same as far as immigration. I mean the man ran restaurants for God’s sake.

    lisab are you having a cow right now? I not even going to bother with the fools of MD and Bitter… LOL”

    So Chekote dumped Perry? Was he BS’ing the Socons? I called that one, that she would support any candidate that she viewed as losing to Obama whatever his or her views.


  67. walt says:

    Lybia’s Kaddafi-duck apparently forgot to duck as uncomfirmed reports say he has been killed.
    More importantly–WHERE IS THE MONKEY???

    Steve Hanna and others are implying that the Ohio monkey may have been eaten by one of the big cats. I call “bullchit”.

    IMO the monkey has given them the slip and the trail is cold. So the police are saying he was “a tasty tiger snack” so they can wrap up the case and account for all the escaped animals.

  68. walt says:

    Lybia’s Kaddafi-duck apparently forgot to duck as uncomfirmed reports say he has been killed.
    More importantly–WHERE IS THE MONKEY???

    Steve Hanna and others are implying that the Ohio monkey may have been eaten by one of the big cats. I call “bullchit”.

    IMO the monkey has given them the slip and the trail is cold. So the police are saying he was “a tasty tiger snack” so they can wrap up the case and account for all the escaped animals.

  69. walt says:


  70. Chekote says:

    Mitch Daniels was right… truce on social issues.

  71. MD says:

    Walt – The dreaded double post has been happening to me a lot lately.

  72. walt says:

    I think the monkey is still alive–just like D. B. Cooper (the plane hijacker who parachuted into the northwest years ago).

  73. MD says:

    70 – You support Obama. Say it. You will feel much better about yourself.

  74. HD says:



    I’m pretty sure it’s coming.

    And it will turn off NC Indies.

    What say you, Wes?

  75. HD says:

    More wealthy people considering leaving UK – survey


    We will see this here too.

    Money, influence, jobs and power are heading to Asia.

  76. MD says:

    HD – Imagine the riots for the GOP convention?

    It is about to get colder. Much colder.

    In Philly, the square the squatters are in now is due to be renovated by UNION WORKERS in 3 weeks. Wonder how they will take to the squatters?

    Blue on Blue violence on a TV near you.

  77. jason says:

    ” anti-Romney people will say it’s no big deal as they hop on the Cain Train.”

    Of course not. It will matter as much as immigration did.

    And some people say socons aren’t “pragamatic”…


  78. HD says:

    MD # 37, As far as I can tell he has given a muddled almost 2 sided answer.


    This is why I rarely endorse early in a pres primary.

    And I almost never donate $.

  79. MD says:


    It is hard to get away from our tax system though. Also, it is becoming increasingly harder to be an ex-pat. Many countries (Bermuda being the most recent example) are now limiting those who can live in their country on an ex-pat assignment. You are still subject to US esate taxes despite what someone claimed on here serveral months ago.

    It sounds easy to move but it isn’t. I have also heard that things are getting harder in the Bahamas for those who want permanent residency from other countries.

  80. marc says:

    The RNC is in Tampa next year.

  81. MD says:

    HD – I am NOT allowed my first amendment rights anymore. I have to get APPROVAL before contributing then am limited to $250 for a POTUS election.


  82. Bitterlaw says:

    If it makes the purists feel better, if Romney is the nominee, Obama and the media will portray him as the most extreme Right-winger to ever run for office.

  83. walt says:

    Unconfirmed reports say that hundreds of escaped monkeys have been seen massing in the Tennessee forests.

    They have signs saying “Okkupy Tenn.” and they are forming a council.

    Copying the Occupy Atlanta, they plan to repeat everything said by the leader–which will be easy due to “monkey see monkey do”.

    Their demands include free bannanas for life, making the monkey wrench the national work tool, and the right to throw monkey poop whenever they feel like it.

    Reports say the early favorite to be elected their leader is Jane Goodall. However, PPP just polled them and Rick Perry is gaining a lot of support.

  84. jason says:

    Chekote is as transparent as glass. She is a one trick pony, open borders, and even Rick Perry can’t deliver that. The only person that can deliver that is Obama, especially with a D congress and a liberal SCOTUS.

    This is not rocket science.

  85. HD says:

    MD, The R convention riots will likely be worse than the Dem riots.

    The left is going for the jugular this time.

    The beauty of it is the Dems HAVE to distance themselves from it.

    And it will infuriate them.

    It’s their base.

    The Dems are in a position to further hurt themselves with their base and Indies.

    And they need BOTH right now.

  86. MD says:

    Cities are nuts anymore to agree to hold these conventions. It used to be that they would generate a ton of business $. These days the resources needed to control the vermin outweigh the benefits. I would pass.

  87. SUSYQUE says:

    Hi MD…I’m a one-man woman…still on the Perry train.
    However, I will vote Republican, no matter what.

  88. MD says:

    85 – They will try the “age old, we were peaceful and they attacked us” horsecrap.

    I could write the entire script now and I am pretty sure I would be 95% right.

  89. MD says:


    You, Obi Wan and Marv are hanging tough.

  90. Bitterlaw says:

    MD – the union goons will end the Occupy Phildelphia nonsense. If anybody thinks stone masons are going to back down from bike messengers, they don’t know Philadelphia.

  91. Brandon says:

    The Rasmussen poll will show better results for Perry but still not good.

  92. jason says:

    PETA’s motto is “animals are your friends and you don’t eat your friends”.

    It’s a pity all those animals had to be shot because they didn’t get the message.

  93. Brandon says:

    The Iowa poll will be good news for Cain.

  94. walt says:

    Overheard in the Tenn. woods:

    What is our position

    about the name of

    plaground equipment

    called “monkey bars”

    (hands in air and wiggling fingers)

  95. marc says:

    If you ever been to downtown Tampa you will understand when I say I guarantee you there will be no riots LOL.

  96. jason says:

    Btw, I see LaZebra is keeping a low profile until all the carnivores are rounded up.

  97. Bitterlaw says:

    I can’t wait until union boss/Congressman Brady has to choose between his union buddies and the protesters. He may turn on the water cannon himself.

  98. jason says:

    Acorn has just announced that the monkey IS eligible to vote in Ohio and he has already been registered as a Democrat. 8 times.

  99. Bitterlaw says:

    Where is Marv? At least SUSYQUE is still in the ring.

  100. MD says:


    Cain’s problems are just starting. His tax plan is being crushed, he seems confused on his position regarding illegals and is now spouting pro choice rhetoric. His rhetoric is no different than Bill Cintons.

    Watch the polls a couple of weeks out. I actually think Bachmann gets another bump. Despite her gaffes she is consistent.

    As for Newt wait until everyone is reminded of his commercial with Pelosi and tour with HRC.

    While I am predicting nothing specific for IA, I think Bachmann could do very well in that caucus.

  101. Chekote says:

    How many GOP presidents have we had? Is Roe v. Wade still place? Yes. Why? Because most Americans agree with the reasoning in Roe. Time for the GOP to move on.

  102. jason says:


    I hear the banana daiquiris are to jump through hoops for….

  103. MD says:

    The Democratic party is the right party for you Chek. The party of infanticide.

  104. walt says:

    Due to the collapse of various GOP so-called “conservative” GPO presidential candidates over the past months, perhaps we here at HHR should select one of our own to throw their hat into the ring.

    Bet we could immediately get higher poll ratings than Santorum and Huntsman combined.

    I’ll pledge $100 to the campaign of whoever Hedgehogger is chosen. (unless it is Chek, lisab, Bubu, or a few others usual suspects).

  105. MD says:

    Jack Hanna said shooting some of the animals was the only option. Too bad.

  106. walt says:

    91.The Rasmussen poll will show better results for Perry but still not good.
    Comment by Brandon
    Are you talking about the polling of the monkeys in Tenn. of Goodall vs. Perry?

  107. MD says:

    I nominate GF. Being in the Navy still, I don’t think he can run. Also, not sure if he is 35 yet. However, if we can get around those issues, he is clearly our best option.

  108. Chekote says:

    Keep babbling on about infanticide….nobody buys it. That’s why Roe v. Wade is still in place. Man you are stupid MD

  109. Bitterlaw says:

    I nominate myself. As MD knows, I am sincere. I would select MD for VP because he has FACTS!

  110. MD says:


    You know, I think many in the base do buy it actually.

  111. jason says:

    As I see it, the mantra seems to be that if you claim you are a real conservative your positions don’t actually matter, since you are running against RINOS whose positions do matter.

    Ergo, I think we all qualify.

  112. Bitterlaw says:

    Monkeys establish banana Republic in abandonned steel mill.

  113. HD says:

    Mitt pulled his hard ad against Perry.

    Perry unleashes his own.!

    If Mitt and Perry keep destroying each other, someone else could sneak in.

    What a $%&#^$ mess.

  114. Bitterlaw says:

    The only babies Chek likes are anchor babies.

  115. Bitterlaw says:

    Perry still wants to talk about immigration? Brilliant!

  116. jason says:

    I wonder when Chekote will switch to Bachmann…. 8)

  117. Wes says:

    To answer your question, Howie:

    Yes, it would hurt Obama badly if we had public riots in Charlotte during the next convention. That’s why I expect the Mayor to crack down heavily on any potential rioters and ensure they’re nothing more than a blip in the news. He has two reasons for this:

    1) He wants Obama to be reelected and doesn’t want Americans to have any more reasons to vote otherwise.

    2) The DNC is showtime for Charlotte. The Mayor’s not going to let a bunch of goons ruin his city’s reputation on a national stage.

    Thus, ultimately I think the threats of riots next year are overblown.

  118. SUSYQUE says:

    Worth Reading:

    “A Romney-Perry moment like that (devisive in debate) makes it a Romney-Perry debate which in turns defines it as a Romney-Perry campaign.”
    Hugh Hewitt

  119. Bitterlaw says:

    What a joke. Wes thinks he knows more about NC than Howard Dean.

  120. Bitterlaw says:

    SUSYQUE- by that logic, this is really a Santorum-Paul campaign. Hugh Hewitt is boring as hell. Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

  121. Sothisishopeandchange says:

    Abortion matters to 35% on the right and 20% on the left. The middle only care if a candidate takes an “extreme stand” on the issue.

    It won’t and shouldn’t be an issue in 2012…but it was a dumb move for Cain. It puts him at odds with the most passionate of his primary supporters.

  122. Wes says:

    Hugh Hewitt predicted the GOP would pick up three Senate seats in 2006.

  123. MD says:

    The fact that Mitt pulled his indicates that he doesn’t think Perry is worth worrying about and he doesn’t want to give him free air time.

    Perry should be going after Cain on numerous issues. Hit Cain first then hit Romney. Then again, the next right move that campaign makes will be the first one. Look at today’s front page for the WSJ. Pretty funny.

  124. HD says:

    Reporting from North Chesterfield, Va.—
    Closing out his bus tour on a low-key note, President Obama made a pitch for his jobs package at a firehouse, where a subdued crowd needed a bit of prompting to applaud his proposal to boost the economy.


  125. SUSYQUE says:

    Fellow Patriots: Let us remember ooo has memorized the Sal Alinsky book. We are seeing some of the tactics right now. It is not spontaneous, it was put into action when ooo became president. We have a rough road ahead and I hope (I really mean pray) we will be able to overcome anything he throws our way.

  126. MD says:

    I like Hugh Wes but he is usually wrong on his predictions unless it will be a obvious R year.

    Perry has a TON of work to do to get back in the race. He desperately needs an end to the debates.

  127. Sothisishopeandchange says:

    The dem mayor of charlotte is planning to purge the area of undesirables. Plans have already been announced.

    Charlotte has world class city envy (light rail, arts funding, ect.) I dont think they will let protesters crap on their time in the spotlight.

  128. MD says:

    125 – Agreed. The script has already been written and only slight editing is needed for the eventual nominee for the R’s.

  129. Wes says:

    It’s not going to be easy, Susy.

  130. Waingro says:

    Rasmussen Iowa Poll: Cain 28, Romney 21, Paul 10

  131. walt says:

    107.”I nominate GF. Being in the Navy still, I don’t think he can run. Also, not sure if he is 35 yet. However, if we can get around those issues, he is clearly our best option.
    Comment by MD”

    MD–splendid nomination!!!

    GF is a Veteran…yeah, he would probably have to resign from the military, but we all have to make sacrifices–just like me pledging $100.

    What state is GF from?
    If he is not 35, we can just fake his birth certificate. I think Chek knows some people who can do that…

  132. MD says:


    Wes and Hope

    I will take your word for it. Also, I don’t see why they would attack the very people they will vote for.

    Regarding Tampa, someone said riots are unlikely. Why?

  133. MD says:

    Walt – I am not 100% sure but I think GF’s official residency is CA or HI. He is well traveled though and understand the regional issues for the US. I guarantee his knowledge of foreign affairs and history would embarrass Obama.

  134. HD says:

    Thus, ultimately I think the threats of riots next year are overblown.

    Comment by Wes — October 20, 2011 @ 10:31 am

    We’ll know in short order.

    My sense is, the OWS crowd will get nothing and anger and desperation will build.

    They will lash out in Charlotte.

    I expect the same in TB.

  135. Wes says:

    Cain visits Iowa for the first time in two months later this week. His upcoming schedule includes Ttennesse and Alabama. I’m sorry, but if I were Cain, I would be living in Iowa and South Carolina and assiduously organizing the states. Winning both of those is his path to the nomination. This discursive campaigning is quite likely to doom him.

  136. Chekote says:

    OMG are you people still running around with the Saul Alinsky crap? The whole Black Liberation nonsense. According to you people, Michelle Obama was going to be the next Angela Davis. Give it a rest.

  137. Wes says:

    Read 127, Howie. That’s from someone on the ground in Charlotte.

  138. Corey says:

    A couple months back, when he was leading in the polls, I made a few comments here about how I thought Rick Perry might ultimately finish in third place (thus basically ending his campaign) in Iowa when the Caucuses were held.

    People basically thought I needed to be committed to an asylum for considering that. Now, the Rasmussen poll out today shows Perry not in third place in Iowa, but in sixth place.

  139. Sothisishopeandchange says:

    Occupy charlotte is a joke. They have no real presence in the 2nd largest banking city. B of A headquarters looked freakshow free last time I saw. I will be there tonight for a hot date. I will give you a report later.

  140. MD says:

    Hope and Wes

    Logically, I think I agree with you guys because why would they make Obama look bad? They will be circling the wagons at that point.

    I don’t get why it won’t happen in Tampa. The rioters will not be from Tampa BTW.

  141. MD says:


    What does she look like? I want full details.

  142. Sothisishopeandchange says:

    Wes, if things go well tonight, I may need some advise.

  143. walt says:

    109.”I nominate myself. As MD knows, I am sincere. (Bitterlaw)”
    Bitter plusses include:
    –puts PA in play
    –pro-feral cats
    –outspoken (in an ascerbic way that will appeal to a certain slice of the voters)
    You wouldn’t happen to have any negatives would you (including arrest records, restraining orders, or other skeletons)?

  144. jason says:

    Not a good ad. It’s obvious it’s heavily edited and using Romney’s “there are a lot of reasons for not electing me” without finishing the sentence is a cheap shot most people will see through.

    It would be more effective using just one “flip flop” example than a bunch of 2 second sound bites.

    Btw, if someone wants to read what Romney actually wrote in the “deleted” passage and on the MA model here is the link.

    It seems to me he is saying that states could have flexibility in implementing their own plans and that they could or not use some of the ideas from MA.

    I don’t see anything that resembles a mandatory federal plan like Obamacare.

  145. MD says:

    144 – Ask Selena Gomez

    I am saying no more

  146. Sothisishopeandchange says:

    A hot redhead teacher from ny by way of ca. This will be our 2nd date.

  147. HD says:


    Read 127, Howie. That’s from someone on the ground in Charlotte.

    Comment by Wes — October 20, 2011 @ 10:48 am

    I don’t doubt they’re preparing. I posted on it.

    What I’m saying is the OWS will go to Charlotte. They will come from other areas and their numbers will be huge.

    There may be a perimeter but they will push as close as possible and cause mayhem wherever they can.

    The professional anarchists and leftists are involved. They virtually clash with police for a living.

    Charlotte is preparing but so are they.

  148. MD says:

    Well jason, Perry has no other option but to go for the moon knowing there is a better chance of crashing and burning. The options are few. I still think he should take his first swings at Cain.

  149. SUSYQUE says:

    Pray Tell…..who is GF?

    Why is Tampa immune to riots?

  150. Sothisishopeandchange says:

    Sorry…I would vote obama over him. He is anti-pig tethering

  151. Wes says:

    The Mayor of Tampa may give the OWS crowd a bit more leeway than the Charlotte Mayor will, MD. He doesn’t want his city’s reputation damaged though. If things get too far out of hand, he will crack down hard on the protesters.

  152. AuH2ORepublican says:

    Two things:

    MD, LOL, I never said that Newt would be the GOP nominee. I merely pointed out that I had written him off months ago, just as I had written McCain off in 2007, and I now think that it was shortsighted to assume that Newt can’t win the nomination because he pisses off both some liberals and some conservatives. Have you seen “Bang the Drum Slowly” (the Michael Moriarty and Robert DeNiro movie from the early ’70s in which DeNiro plays a catcher who is hiding the fact that he has cancer)? If no one can seal the deal, people may go to the “plumb dumb catcher” (or, in Newt’s case, the annoyingly smart catcher with all that baggage) despite all of his shortcomings.

    Also, Herman Cain would be our most anti-abortion president ever (or at least since Roe v. Wade). Cain opposes abortion in all cases except to save the mother’s life. If he said something about things being his opinion, and that he wouldn’t impose them on others, then he was either talking about something else (such as his views on homosexuality), or completely misspoke. No way would Herman Cain be okay with abortion remaining legal, and he would certainly implement pro-life policies and nominate judges who recognize the humanity of pre-born children.

  153. MD says:


    Toronto took massive precautions for the G8 and there was still rioting so your point could be proven correct. I don’t understand why they would shi+ where they eat though.

  154. SUSYQUE says:

    Bitter; MD….who is GF?

  155. Wes says:

    Abortion will continue to be legal with or without a President Cain, Au.

  156. Sothisishopeandchange says:

    Charlotte has a first term AA mayor, solid dem city counsel, and we aren’t much of a union state.

  157. Wes says:

    He’s a politically savvy poster here on the HHR, Susy. He’s a Navy man stationed in San Diego.

  158. Wes says:

    Anthony Foxx is a huge Obamabot too. No way he lets the Democrat National Convention ruin his city’s first ever time wholly occupying the national spotlight.

  159. Sothisishopeandchange says:

    The marxist academic centers are 3 hours away too.

  160. Wes says:

    How exactly did Foxx win in ’09, So? Did the Republican in the race completely melt down?

  161. marc says:

    Downtown Tampa is called Channelside were the St. Pete Times Forum is a huge residential and entertainment district.

  162. Sothisishopeandchange says:

    Wes, Charlotte eventually came to terms with the demographics. The AA population is too large. We are mini Atlanta.

  163. Mose says:

    I just realized that the AP-GfK poll was a poll of ADULTS, not registered voters. In that case, its even better news for the GOP candidates. I think it’s generally accepted that the pool of likely voters is probably something like 5-6 net points more Republican than adults in general.

  164. MD says:


    Well, I suggest you read what he said then.

  165. Jim B. says:

    164= That is especially likely to be the case if the enthusiasm gap between the parties continues into 2012. Right now there is an even bigger gap than in 2010, with Republicans energized & Democrats more apathetic.

    Any poll of registered voters that doesn’t allow for this is going to be bit overly Democratic in its results.

    Any poll of all adults that doesn’t allow for the enthusiasm gap is going to be even more too-Democratic.

    Of course the enthusiasm numbers could change if Obama can by some miracle fire up his people, or if Republicans become less totally committed to throwing him out.

  166. Sothisishopeandchange says:

    #163…bwt, I agree

  167. Jim B. says:

    Re: Mayor Foxx in Charlotte. One reasons he won is that the demographics in Charlotte have been changing. Like all major NC cities, the minority vote has been growing. Raleigh elected a Republican mayor a couple of elections ago, so did Durham. Neither is likely to do so these days, although we are pretty close in Raleigh.

  168. jason says:

    ” Also, Herman Cain would be our most anti-abortion president ever ”

    Not what Chekote said. She said Cain agrees with her.

    And reading this quote from Cain himself, it looks like she is right. It seems like Cain is “against abortion” (who isn’t, really) but he believes it should be legal.

    ” No, it comes down to is, it’s not the government’s role — or anybody else’s role — to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is, it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president. Not some politician. Not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn’t try to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive decision.”

  169. Mose says:

    PPP has released its general election numbers for Ohio. They have Romney and Obama tied at 46, but note that only 18% of the undecided voters approve of Obama’s job performance. They have Obama leading Cain 48-45, leading Perry 50-41, leading Paul 48-40, leading Bachmann 49-40, and leading Newt 51-40. That’s a very nice result for Mitt. Gotta win Ohio.

  170. Tim V says:

    sohope, there you go again…agreeing with youself.

  171. LaZebra says:

    A bit off subject, guys, but this is seriously funny:
    This was the WORST Jeopardy contestant ever! Hey, didn’t this guy moderate a Republican debate recently?

    Funniest wrong answer: He didn’t even know what city Jesus and King David were born in:
    “Oh little town of Jerusalem….”

  172. MD says:

    164 – Mose

    I agree with you completely. Basically we could flip Romney into a 3 point lead. Still within MOE though. Also, Perry and Cain would be in striking distance. I still have doubts that either could win a general but then again, I don’t think it would be a cakewalk for Romney either.

  173. SUSYQUE says:

    Gosh….I live in San Diego….guess I have to look in the phone book for all the names that might match GF. Am I that curious…hmmm…must get back to my chores.

  174. MD says:

    Tommy J has his hand on the scale. That is a given. So, imo, we can add 5 points to each candidate except Paul who I think defies rational explanations.

    That puts Romney outside of MOE (at least for now).

  175. Corey says:

    Cain is just so not ready for prime time.

  176. Tim V says:

    I’m guessing Cain will clarify his comments but 2 things are clear: 1)he oposes abortion and 2) he is a strong believer in the 10th amendment and limited government. Personally, I doubt he will say he is “pro-choice.” The bottom line is even is you oppose abortion, since it is legal, it still boils down to a woman’s choice. My guess he will walk it back a little.

  177. MD says:


    Again, read what he said. That is the classic, Bill Clinton, pro choice position. Hard to run from an exact quote.

  178. Tim V says:

    Cain is just so not ready for prime time.

    Comment by Corey

    yeah well, Mitt’s been on both sides of most issues so I wouldn’t get to excited about this.

  179. Wes says:

    You won’t find him looking in the phonebook for a GF, Susy. GF is short for George, aka Freemarketer–his old handle.

  180. jason says:

    ” Funniest wrong answer: He didn’t even know what city Jesus and King David were born in:”

    Wow, even I knew it was in Pennsylvania. But of course I only live like 80 miles from Bethlehem so I do have an advantage.

  181. MD says:

    Yea, but Mitt has been clearly on the right side for many years now. I know that isn’t perfect for the base but it is better than Cain’s position which is the classic pro-choice for moderate Dems position.

  182. Corey says:

    Cain’s comments to Piers Morgan are the exact same position that Mitt Romney had in 1994 and 2002.

    If Cain is Pro-Life now, Romney was then too.

  183. MD says:

    I know his real name but i would never disclose it on-line.

    The guy is incredibly bright but it shows through in a way that is not arrogant. If he were to leave the Navy, I really would suggest that he run for a House Rep position.

  184. MD says:

    Tim V

    Dizzy from the spinning yet bro?

  185. jason says:

    “No, what I’m saying is, it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president. Not some politician. Not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. ”

    So he believes this AND believes abortion should be illegal????


  186. Wes says:

    A friend of mine tried to tell me L Ron Paul won the debate. I told him Paul wasn’t even close, but Gingrich really shone. He said Gingrich had no memorable quotes. I asked him what Paul’s were. He said military cuts. There you have it. Repeating everything Paul’s said in previous debates sans Al Qaeda defense equates to memorable quotes. 🙄

  187. Wes says:

    I too know his real name, MD. It’s not my place to deny him his privacy on here though.

  188. MD says:

    He would make an ideal candidate.

  189. Bitterlaw says:

    146.144 – Ask Selena Gomez

    I am saying no more

    Comment by MD — October 20, 2011 @ 10:54 am

    MS. Gomez and I were together very briefly. I can send the picture of MS. Gomez, my daughter, my daughter’s friend, the friend’s dad and myself to anybody who needs proof of our platonic relationship. The Restraining Order that I took out against Justin Bieber was precautionary and has been vacated.

  190. LaZebra says:

    I agree with those who say, despite Chekote’s excitement, that Herman Cain is pro-life:
    “I support right-to-life issues unequivocally and I adamantly support the first three aspects of the Susan B. Anthony pledge involving appointing pro-life judges, choosing pro-life cabinet members, and ending taxpayer-funded abortions,” Cain said this summer.

    But what we’re seeing is that Cain is now in the ‘big leagues’ and he’s having some struggles with that, similar to Palin’s first national interviews. Let’s hope, for his sake, that he corrects this a bit better than she did.

  191. Wes says:

    Boortz says Andrew Napolitano may be more libertarian than he. Napolitano backed Ralph Nader for Christs’s sake!

  192. jason says:

    For the record, while I am against partial birth abortion and favor restrictions such as parental notification, waiting periods, etc., I do believe abortion should be legal in the first trimester, so I actually agree with Cain on this.

    But I enjoy seeing the “rock hard conservatives” trying to spin this like they spun Perry’s immigration stance.

  193. Wes says:

    I agree with Jason.

  194. Tim V says:

    Cain will clarify. Santorum is going to pounce today to drive his poll nmumbers up to 4%.

    You Romney guys can spin it any way you like. I’ll just wait for the clarification and see how big the fallout becomes. I’m patient.

  195. LaZebra says:

    Btw, I see LaZebra is keeping a low profile until all the carnivores are rounded up.
    Comment by jason — October 20, 2011 @ 10:07 am

    Actually, I do have a position. I wish that Jack Hanna, or some other animal expert could have gotten to the scene sooner. They probably could have avoided shooting the black bears and even the wolf, since these animals are generally not dangerous to humans (unless provoked). But sadly, the cops had no choice but to shoot the lions, tigers, and grizzlies.

  196. SUSYQUE says:

    GOP field’s dilemma: How do you attack Herman Cain?
    They’re in a bind: Like most insurgent candidates, Cain is an elusive target. He’s not a politician with a record to pick apart. Rather, he’s a highly likable figure who seems to be tapping into a deep vein of anti-Washington anger without seeming very angry himself. There’s also a complicating factor: he is a viable African-American candidate in a party that has a complicated history with racial politics…

  197. Bitterlaw says:

    Hard to run from an exact quote.

    Comment by MD — October 20, 2011 @ 11:28 am

    Except at HHR. If Perry said, “I embrace socialism and I have converted to Mormonism,” SUSYQUE and Marv would spend 300 posts “explaining” what he really meant.

  198. Tim V says:

    Bitter, I thought you 2 posts yesterday about “spreading the gasoline” and “picking up the matches” were hilarious!

  199. Bitterlaw says:

    Tim V – thany you. Have a blessed day.

  200. Tim V says:

    Tim V

    Dizzy from the spinning yet bro?

    Comment by MD

    nah. i leave the spinning to corey and marv. i call em like i see em. i see this as a gaffe.

  201. jason says:

    ” You Romney guys can spin it any way you like. ”

    I posted the direct quote.

    You are the one spinning. If he wants to disavow his own words, that’s fine. I’ll take him at his word.

    And I hope Romney will get the same consideration.

  202. MD says:

    Tim V

    Do you get nauisated from all the spinning?

  203. MD says:

    A gaffe that you responded to by saying it wasn’t at first but then when the actual quote was presented, you said something different?

    I can’t even keep up!

  204. LaZebra says:

    For the record, I also believe 100% that Mitt Romney is pro-life. In fact I tend to believe that he’s always been pro-life, as most Mormons are very pro-life. If anything, Romney was disingenuous back when he ran against Ted Kennedy and tried to look like he was pro-choice. He knew that a solid pro-lifer could never win in Mass. But then again, it’s also possible that he’s just plain changed his mind on this. George HW Bush changed his mind and he ended up being a very pro-life President.

  205. jason says:

    ” i call em like i see em. i see this as a gaffe.”

    Usually gaffes are short sentences. Stand-up chuck. 57 states. Some of the people receiving posthumous awards are here today.

    Unusually long and detailed gaffe.

  206. Tim V says:

    wolf blitzer, dumber than…

    feel free to fill in the blank

    I’ll get it started : MFG… YeeHaw ?

  207. jason says:

    Obama will be on TV soon saying “I got Khadaffi”…

  208. Addisonst says:

    Hope good like tonight with your date with fire crotch.

    Please report back for debriefing this evening. Or better yet tomorrow morning 🙂

  209. MD says:

    That is just the point jason. He provided details.

    That is not a misstatement. I think Herman wants to be all things to all people. He wants a fence, then he doesn’t.

  210. Wes says:

    Fire crotch? What the hell?

  211. jason says:

    ” George HW Bush changed his mind and he ended up being a very pro-life President.”

    He was President for 8 years. What exactly changed about abortion during that time as a result of his “very pro-life” Presidency?

  212. Bitterlaw says:

    Why bother? If Cain said, “Not only am I pro-choice, I will personally perform abortions,” his statement would be too vague for some of the anti-Romney supporters.

  213. jason says:

    Boy, you could see Wes’ ears perk up at that one…

  214. SUSYQUE says:

    We mourn for the beautiful animals killed, but do we also mourn for the 50+million precious babies killed?

    I weep for both.

  215. Bitterlaw says:

    212.Fire crotch? What the hell?

    Comment by Wes — October 20, 2011 @ 11:51 am

    Is that necessarily a good thing? Does it require medication or a Gary Massengill treatment?

  216. jason says:

    Gag me with a spoon…

  217. Wes says:

    By the way, So, in case things get to the horizontal lambada stage, I have some advice for you:

    Give her a massage beforehand, preferably with some pleasantly scented massage oil. (I prefer sweet almond scent myself.) It helps relax the girl and make her more sensitive. As a result, she tends to have a more explosive conversation with God. Women love that. 😈

  218. LaZebra says:

    He was President for 8 years. What exactly changed about abortion during that time as a result of his “very pro-life” Presidency?
    Comment by jason — October 20, 2011 @ 11:51 am

    Actually, jason, he (GHWB) was President for (sadly) only 4 years. But when he ran against Reagan back in 1980, he was clearly pro-choice. He changed his mind while he was Reagan’s VP.

  219. Corey says:

    GHWBush was only President for four years unfortunately.

    I think Gaddafi would have appreciated being buried in some of the furs and skins of the animals that perished this week in Ohio.

  220. Addisonst says:

    Wes, i’m surprised you didn’t know that reference.

    Fire crotch = red head.

    Corey if you’re around, I’m heading to Milwaukee now but will be up in your nape of the neck later tonight as I’m re dating the MILF.

    We will probably be at Flemings or somewhere else that suburbanites gravitate towards.

  221. Wes says:

    Actually, Jason, it appalled me when Add said that.

  222. Addisonst says:

    Hey Corey. That’s funny. I mention you and you appear.

    Ok off to cheese ville.

  223. Corey says:

    Bush 41 changed his mind on abortion overnight as a pre-req for Reagan putting him on the ticket.

    Reagan and GWB were also once publicly pro-choice in their political careers.

  224. jason says:

    Maybe he is going to a picnic and will sit on a fire ant nest.

  225. Wes says:

    I’ve banged redheads before, Add. I’ve never referred to them by that title.

  226. LaZebra says:

    220– Oops, now I see your point, Jason. Not sure if much changed, but he did stand up for life every chance he could — despite being ridiculed for it by the 1992 Clinton Campaign. He also appointed a very pro-life Supreme Court justice, Clarence Thomas.

  227. jason says:

    220. Ok, sorry, didn’t see the H. But the point is the same.

  228. Tim V says:

    I’ll walk it back for Herman. ” We were talking about abortion IN CASES OF RAPE OR INCEST” in those cases I am pro choice, even though I persoanlly oppose abortion in ALL cases. I am pro-life and would support Roe v Wade being overturned.

  229. Addisonst says:

    Wes we can’t say banged here except on a drum. You will arouse the ire of Susy the hall monitor.

  230. Wes says:

    He also appointed a far-left Justice in David Souter, LZ.

  231. Tim V says:

    oppose abortion in ALL cases, except the life of the mother…

  232. jason says:

    ” Actually, Jason, it appalled me when Add said that.”

    Actually I was referring to the 50 million precious babies comment, but it can extend to the plant’s comment also.

  233. jason says:

    ” He also appointed a far-left Justice in David Souter, LZ.”

    In fairness, I heard him say in an interview he considered it hes “biggest mistake”.

  234. Wes says:

    All right, Add. I’ve doinked, boffed, screwed, nailed, humped, rattled headboards with, and ridden redheads before. Better?

  235. Bitterlaw says:

    “Really love your peaches – want to shake your tree.” I thought SUSYQUE would send me to detention for that.

  236. LaZebra says:

    230– Actually, Tim V’s explanation makes sense. That was what I was thinking.

    I’m not really trying to “spin” this, as I am not exactly on the Cain Train yet. But I’m feeling Herman’s pain on this. From all of the accusations and insults that have been thrown at me, the one that would hurt worst would be if someone were to accuse me of being pro-abortion (or pro-choice, about the same thing).

  237. Corey says:

    Where is Fleming’s Add?

  238. Wes says:

    Pro-abortion and pro-choice are not even close to the same thing, LZ. I’m pro choice but was thrilled when my ex-wife had our daughter. However, if a woman has been raped and doesn’t feel she can spend nine months with a constant reminder of the attack or her life is in danger, I would think she alone should have the right to decide how to proceed with the pregnancy.

  239. Tim V says:

    Herman Cain said Wednesday both that abortion should be allowed “under no circumstances,” but later said that in cases of rape and incest, it’s “a choice that that family or that mother has to make.”

    OK, what i said in 230 IS what he said. it was NOT a gaffe. he IS pro-choice ONLY in cases of rape and incest. EVERYONE clear now ??? same position as gop platform.

  240. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    fire crotch sounds like a bad STD. I have played it smart. Our first date was to an amusement park. I had her on my arm the whole evening. She is a good girl and I am a good boy. I don’t expect it to go horizontal, but I probably wouldn’t protest. I am thinking about 4-6 dates so she doesn’t feel like a slut.

  241. GF says:

    Good morning, all.

    I was nearly engaged to a fire crotch once, or so I was led to believe. The dye job was extrememly convincing (very lightly done so as to avoid blowing the cover), and as I was dealing with hardwood (or tile, if you prefer) floors, there was no carpet to which the curtains could be compared. Thus, the exact hair colour never came to light until later.

    WTF? SusyQ lives amongst my local denizens? And she has a Benz? Hey, Susy, I have some minor issues with my 280CE that are beyond my skill level; who’s your mechanic?

    To address hte flattering nominations, I must concede thatI could not take office until June of 2013. My #1 VP pick, Bitter, could hold office until then. I want to put PA in play, and think that having been born and somewhat raised in the Hispanic enclave of North Hollywood, I could at least make the Dems spend $$$ in CA (Spanish was my first language; I did not speak English until I was almost 5). If we pull CA out of the bag and BL carries his weight in Philly (I’m counting on you to bring in at least 15% in the 2nd disrtict), I plan to appoint MD to Treasury or the SEC (your choice), and Wes HHS to oversee a newly established the OB-GYN sub-Cabinet.

    I am open to other Cabinet ideas; just for fun, we could stick Bubu at the Fed but deny him auditing power.

    GF/BL ’12: Free Markets and Bitter Litigation for All

  242. AuH2ORepublican says:

    From the linked article on Cain’s interview with Piers Morgan (here’s the link again:

    “Morgan told Cain that that sets him apart from many other Republican candidates who are pro-life but also believe in exceptions such as rape or incest or the life of the mother. He continued by asking Cain if he would ant [sic] his daughter or granddaught5er [sic], if raped, to keep the baby — which Cain said “was mixing two things.”

    “It’s not the government’s role, or anybody else’s role to make that decision,” Cain responded. “Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidence, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is, it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president. Not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family, and whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn’t have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue.””

    The only way to reconcile these statements with what Cain has been saying for years (and as recently as two days ago) would be if by “keep the baby” he understood that Morgan was referring to the rape victim raising the baby as her child as opposed to giving him or her up for adoption.

  243. Tim V says:

    Knova played the same game with me one day here on abortions. Find one situation where you allow it and bingo, you are now “pro-choice” Piers Morgan did the same thing to Herman Cain.Cain took the bait.

  244. Corey says:

    There is no explanation to Cain’s answer on CNN that is consistent with his claiming to be Pro-Life or what he had said recently on Meet the Press besides that he just flat out did not understand the question.

    That is what he is trying to say happened to him with Wolf Blitzer this past week as well when he said it was possible that he would empty Gitmo if Al Qaueda wanted to do a prisoner exchange.

    Cain has bad luck on CNN.

  245. Bitterlaw says:

    All this dating talk makes me so happy that I am married. I don’t want to ever go out there again. Mrs. MD and I talk about it all the time when MD goes away.

  246. Tim V says:

    I’m done with the Cain/abortion issue for the day until a clarifying statement from Cain emerges.

  247. Corey says:

    Born-Again Evangelicals are allowed to do the pre-marriage thing?

    Just wondering. Not sure if this is really very relavant to the HHR, but people here seem engrossed in the conversation.

  248. Bitterlaw says:

    I did not speak English until I was almost 5). GF

    That’s ok, GF. Nobody understands a damn thing Chek says and she speaks English.

    I would be proud to serve as your VP. I think lisab should be Secretary of Agriculture. Vegetables and I rarely interact.

  249. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    being single isn’t that great unless you are a man-whore like, wes. The smorgish board of tail is neverending…like Golden Coral

  250. GF says:

    BTW, my Pinko wife and I were waiting at the optometry clinic yesterday when Cain came on Piers program (or when it was broadcast; don’t think it was live). She liked his answer and took to him as she wants to see a “real brother” in office someday, someone who won’t take any cr@p from people and tell it like it is (apparently, even if they are a Republican). I told her that Cain came from genuine slave blood and was a part time Baptist preacher in Atlanta (so his bio reads). She’s tired of Obama, and would probably only vote for him if Perry or one of his type won our nomination. I think she may be open to Cain, which really surprises me. She’s not opposed to Romney (no surprise there), but she does not pay a lot of attention to politics, so she’s getting that opinion from ohers she knows (mainly fellow Jews).

  251. Corey says:

    Is it for certain Cain was only answering about a rape exception?

    The quote seems to indicate he was talking about abortion in general, but I have not heard it for myself.

    I am a staunchly Pro-Life person who would allow an exception for rape, so I do not disagree if that is Cain’s view, but that does conflict with what he told David Gregory last Sunday on Meet the Press in which he said no exceptions at all, even for the life of the mother.. which he then clarified to say that it would be the family’s choice only then.

  252. Wes says:

    MD, Cheryl’s in a burgundy mini today. 🙂

  253. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    Only because you asked, Corey.

    I got married as a virgin. She cheated and became a lunatic. I am not going through that mess again without a trial run.

    I know it is sin, but so is not wearing your seatbelt.

  254. GF says:

    BL, your ascent is appreciated; I really didn’t want to call Maxwell just so I could send him to funerals on my behalf.

    Speaking of pointles duties, I want a job for Fattah that he can’t refuse, and I want you to be the one who calls him in to offer it to him. It can’t be too obviously insulting, but something that might appeal to him in a superficial way. Perhaps he could be the local inspector for Gentleman’s clubs in Philly.

  255. Corey says:

    Please wear your seatbelt.

  256. Wes says:

    If a guy’s not doinking at least one chick–and a hottie at that–in Charlotte, then he’s not trying.

  257. GF says:

    So, one should always wear a seat belt, just as one should always wear a hat…particularly when occupied in activites such as that.

    Frankly, it is rude for a gentlemen to step out without a hat. 😉

  258. Bitterlaw says:

    I know it is sin, but so is not wearing your seatbelt.

    Comment by SoThisIsHopeAndChange? — October 20, 2011 @ 12:18 pm

    Buckle up, brother. Seatbelts save lives. As for the sex, you are bringing down a world of hurt from SUSYQUE. Good luck with that.

  259. LaZebra says:

    249,251 — stick to your biblical principles, brother. Don’t compromise.

  260. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    I have not worn my seatbelt with 2 different passengers since the divorce. It is what it is.

  261. GF says:

    258- We used to say the same thing about Australia. If a Sailor can’t land a girl in that country, then he’s either not trying or utterly incapable of doing so anyway.

    Man, what a country! Fifteen days of liberty in three ports within three weeks nearly bankrupted me.

  262. Wes says:

    Compromise, So! Compromise! You only live once.

  263. Bitterlaw says:

    Make Fattah the last Secretary of Education. True fact – he does not have a college degree but has a Master’s Degree through a “program” at the University of Pennsylvania.

    I would appoint Gary as Ambassador to one of the “Stans.” Kurdistan? Uzbekistan?

  264. Corey says:

    A devout Mormon would not compromise.

    That is probably why they are getting into heaven, if it exists.

  265. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    LaZ and Wes will be the angel and devil on my shoulder tonight.

  266. Bitterlaw says:

    I would never go out with anybody in Charlotte. Why would you want Wes’ leftovers?

  267. Wes says:

    Just think of it this way, So: If she’s willing to hop in the sack with you, then who are you to deny her her wishes?

  268. Barrett says:

    Cain’s 9-9-9 deal was put out there solely for the purpose of ridiculing rival Domino’s 5-5-5 deal

  269. Bitterlaw says:

    268.LaZ and Wes will be the angel and devil on my shoulder tonight.

    Comment by SoThisIsHopeAndChange? — October 20, 2011 @ 12:29 pm

    Listen to Wes while LaZ and Jason are exchanging hate-posts.

  270. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    Wes sticks to east of I-95. The babes that travel from Charlotte to meet him are thourghly screened to prevent sloppy seconds.

  271. Barrett says:

    being a married man myself, it has its advantages and disadvantages.

    We utilize the museum rule: Look, but don’t touch

  272. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    270, the devil has made a good point…I mean its the only humane thing to do 🙂

  273. MD says:


    I would take Treasury if asked but would rather have the CIA. I would find 3 Mitch Rapp types and take care of business.

  274. Tim V says:

    A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Iowa caucus-goers shows that Cain is in front with 28% followed by former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney at 21%. Congressman Ron Paul is a distant third at 10% followed by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 9%, Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann at 8%, and Texas Governor Rick Perry at 7%.

  275. MD says:

    Hope – who are you to deny her enjoyment? That would be arrogant and selfish. Be a giving person brother!

  276. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    MD too…my right shoulder is getting a little heavy.

  277. Corey says:

    What if she starts yelling out the names of the Duke Blue Devil basketball team?

  278. jason says:

    ” pro-abortion (or pro-choice, about the same thing).”

    Sorry, it isn’t. There are a lot of things that I think should be legal but I don’t approve of personally.
    I am pro-choice because I believe abortion should be legal in the first trimester. I don’t think abortion should be used as a birth control method.

  279. GF says:

    270- Wes, if only I know now what I did not way back when. My record is not impressive given a host of near misses due both to my general inability to read social cues as well as that whole Catholic guilt thing whereby I did not feel right taking advantage of girls who gave it up so easily (thinking that they had bad relationships with their fathers and thus were looking for validation any way they could). I tried to be a good person.

    If I had known that I would marry outside of my faith anyway and probably raise my kids to pick their own spiritual doctrines, I have hit the campaign trail (so to speak) long, long ago. Too late now, though. I won my race, so there’s no point campaigning in another district. 🙂

    MD, CIA it is; I’ll get a shrew money man at Treasury to make sure you have all the untraceable funding you need. Add, are you up to it?

  280. KnightHawk says:

    253 – Read that way to me (exceptions), and matches what I’ve heard him say in prior years on the radio.

  281. Bitterlaw says:

    Hope – ignore MD. He’s all talk. He never did follow through with Mrs. Maxwell.

  282. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    Corey, I would hurry up and finish and kick her out afterward.

  283. GF says:

    Funny, Wes dates East of 95; I stuck to West of 5 (same for living quarters).

  284. jason says:

    ” Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann at 8%, and Texas Governor Rick Perry at 7%.”

    So Perry thinks he is going to make a comeback attacking Romney?

    His poll numbers show his problem is that HE is not viewed as a credible candidate. And the only way to possibly correct that is to present HIS case.

  285. Bitterlaw says:

    There’s plenty to do beyond the full Wes treatment. SUSYQUE offered up one suggestion (although Bill Clinton did not invent it).

  286. MD says:

    Bitter – your wife moans his name. Does that count?

  287. GF says:

    From the WSJ; Mitt needs to watch out lest he blow NH by trying to gain advantage in some of these other early states.


    “As a Northeasterner, Mr. Romney has a natural edge in New Hampshire, but the folks in the Granite State are starting to question his priorities. House Speaker Bill O’Brien told WMUR, ‘I think he [Mr. Romney] may be taking New Hampshire voters for granted, and I don’t think he ought to do that.’ The Union Leader newspaper, meanwhile, was blunter: ‘[Mr.] Romney is willing to sacrifice an institution beneficial to the republic (the New Hampshire primary) for his own political advantage.'”

  288. jason says:

    ” Listen to Wes while LaZ and Jason are exchanging hate-posts.”

    Where, where??????

  289. Bitterlaw says:

    MD – when are you going to get a bigger bed? I am so tired of my feet hanging off the edge but Mrs. MD said big beds make you feel short(er).

  290. GF says:

    For the record, I *love* this back and forth between MD and BL. I would fume at the whole wives bit, but I am not from Philly, and my skin is a bit thinner.

    “GARY! GARY! GARY F*#$^@! MAXWELL!!!”

  291. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    292…ohhhhh snap

  292. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – you and LaZ are like North and South Korea. There will never be peace – just interruptions between outbursts of violence.

  293. Wes says:

    In high school, I was a geeky, shy kid who couldn’t get a date no matter how hard I tried, GF. One day, I woke up and realized I didn’t want to die a virgin. To that end, I befriended a guy I knew to be a ladies’ man and got him to teach me. It took a few misses to get it right, but finally I landed a date with a hottie everyone wanted. Getting a standing ovation from my friends for landing her was the ultimate validation that I was on the right track. Since then, I’ve never looked back.

  294. rick perry's budgie says:

    I would tell you what Mrs. Perry tells Mr. Perry when they make love but I am not a see kiss and tell type of bird.

  295. Bitterlaw says:

    GF – Despite our apparent disdain for each other, MD is a great little guy.

  296. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    I propose Bitter & MD and their spouses take on “The Lifestyle” and the HHR rivalry will end.

  297. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – asking a guy to teach you how to please women? That has a level of gay irony attached to it. However, I’m sure it was really manly.

  298. GF says:

    Hard to have any sympathy for the IL folks (no offense to Add and Corey; I know it’s not your fault).


    Unpopularity Contest

    Illinois Governor Pat Quinn earned the title of least popular governor in the country this month. A poll from Fox Chicago News/We Ask America found that only 29.6% of voters approve of the job the governor is doing, while over 60% disapprove. The low score comes despite the fact that Mr. Quinn was elected less than a year ago.

    Wonder why? Let’s start in January when Mr. Quinn passed a 67% increase in the state’s income tax. What’s worse was that he did it in the middle of the night on the very last day of a lame-duck State Assembly session — with no Republican support. He also managed to raise the state’s corporate tax rate by 45%.

    At the time, the moves were touted as critical measures to relieve the state’s gargantuan budget crisis. “What’s right isn’t always popular and what’s popular isn’t always right,” Mr. Quinn said at the time. Indeed. The result has been one of the key lessons on why raising taxes in a slow economy is a bad idea. Illinois continues to be among the worst performing economies in the country with its unemployment rate reaching 9.9% in August.

    The state’s debt crisis, meanwhile has far from disappeared. According to a report issued by Illinois Republican Senator Mark Kirk this month, the debt is actually rising while the state labors under the worst credit rating in the nation and among the worst business climates as well. A recent report from the Chicago-area watchdog group Civic Federation found the state will face an $8.3 billion deficit by the end of June and Mr. Kirk notes that a Chicago family’s portion of state debt is “twice as much as citizens in Wisconsin, Indiana and Missouri.”

    So what does the Governor have to say about all this? After a recent trip to Asia, Mr. Quinn told the “complainers” and “naysayers” to “look at the record.” Unfortunately, they don’t like what they see.

  299. KnightHawk says:

    A Long, Steep Drop for Americans’ Standard of Living

    An Unprecedented 26 Million Americans Are Now Underemployed

    ( — Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday that under the administration’s policy of exercising “prosecutorial discretion” in the enforcement of the immigration laws, her department is currently authorizing some illegal aliens to work in the United States.

  300. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    Wes give every hot woman in the bar a palm reading and a backrub.

  301. Wes says:

    No, Bitter. I didn’t ask him to teach me how to PLEASE women. I learned that on my own under the tutelage of a very knowledgeable woman. I asked him to teach me how to ATTRACT women. There’s a significant difference there.

  302. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:


  303. GF says:

    I’d laugh at that, Bitter, but with MD running CIA with his goon squad, I don’t want to go the JFK route. No convertibles for me!

  304. Bitterlaw says:

    299.I propose Bitter & MD and their spouses take on “The Lifestyle” and the HHR rivalry will end.

    Comment by SoThisIsHopeAndChange? — October 20, 2011 @ 12:54 pm

    I could never be a swinger at the MD estate. As soon as MD appeared in his silk pajamas and smoking jacket carrying wine glasses, I would just start laughing.

  305. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:


  306. Wes says:

    I’m not sure about the palm reading unless I come across a Wiccan or a girl interested in voodoo, So. I give women perfect backrubs though. Even my massage therapist girlfriend begs me for those. As someone who makes her living off that stuff, I’d imagine she knows the good from the bad.

  307. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    Just wondering, who is best to get “manscaping” advice from?

  308. Wes says:

    I advise always wearing a bulletproof vest then too, GF.

  309. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    310…This blog has hit a new low.

  310. Wes says:

    I never realized Lori Rothman was so topheavy before.

  311. Bitterlaw says:

    Well, back to work. Manscaping? Wow. Never saw that thread killer before.

  312. Barrett says:

    #310 me – I can manscape with a straight razor.

    careful now!

  313. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    palm reading is purely for kino and BS-ification. I have neveer done it with a woman but I hear it eases her into physical contact without being weird.

    a guy believing in the occult is wierd if you ask me but that isn’t the point I guess.

  314. Cory says:

    Herman Cain doesn’t know what neo-conservatism is, doesn’t know that Guantanamo Bay is stocked with Al-Qaeda members, doesn’t understand the math surrounding his own 9-9-9 plan, doesn’t understand that ‘pro-life’ means you think abortion should be illegal, and doesn’t want you to think that an electrified fence was a serious suggestion, unless you happen to like the idea.

    The house of cards that is the Herman Cain campaign is going to collapse. The question is when, and who benefits?

  315. GF says:

    a guy believing in the occult is wierd if you ask me but that isn’t the point I guess.

    Comment by SoThisIsHopeAndChange? — October 20, 2011 @ 1:06 pm

    You’d love the Nazis, then; the occult was their forte. Talk about a bunch of gay cultists.

  316. SoThisIsHopeAndChange? says:

    Manscaping…”I am now become Death, the destroyer of threads”

  317. LaZebra says:

    Jason – you and LaZ are like North and South Korea. There will never be peace – just interruptions between outbursts of violence.
    Comment by Bitterlaw — October 20, 2011 @ 12:51 pm

    Since my son lives about 70 miles from the North Korean border (in China), I’m all for peace on the Korean Peninsula. (and between Jason & me)

  318. Wes says:

    New thread to destroy.

  319. addisonst says:

    Hope I’m on the same shoulder as Wes.