Gingrich Leads in IA, CO and NC

Add CBS News and The New York Times to the pollsters showing a double-digit lead for Newt Gingrich in Iowa with Mitt Romney and Ron Paul battling for second.

Newt Gingrich 31%
Mitt Romney 17%
Ron Paul 16%
Rick Perry 11%
Michele Bachmann 9%
Rick Santorum 4%
No One Else Mentioned

This poll was done November 30-December 5 among 642 likely caucus goers. Public Policy Polling released two more primary polls showing Newt Gingrich leading in North Carolina and Colorado.

Newt Gingrich 51%
Mitt Romney 14%
Michele Bachmann 8%
Ron Paul 7%
Rick Perry 4%
Rick Santorum 3%
Jon Huntsman 1%
Gary Johnson 0%

Newt Gingrich 37%
Mitt Romney 18%
Michele Bachmann 9%
Ron Paul 6%
Rick Perry 4%
Rick Santorum 4%
Jon Huntsman 3%
Gary Johnson 1%

The NC poll was done December 1-4 among 568 primary voters. The CO poll was done December 1-4 among 500 primary voters.

Posted by Dave at 3:55 pm
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216 Responses to “Gingrich Leads in IA, CO and NC”

  1. Rockefeller Republican says:


  2. walt says:

    Waiting for the thread rules….

  3. J T says:

    Yeah team!!

  4. walt says:

    Marv will be pleased that NC primary voters think that Perry is better than Santorum, Huntsman and Johnson all put together.

    AND that Perry is 2/3 the candiddte that Paul is.
    (Do I still have to say nice things about Chek?)

  5. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Who is this Chek?

  6. Emerica says:

    Why’s Bachmann listed third?

  7. JulStol says:

    No rules.

    Just Rights!

    Only rules are those dictated by Dave

  8. Brandon says:

    Amazing the consistency of these Iowa polls. All show the same thing, Gingrich 1st, Romney vs. Paul for second place.

  9. JulStol says:

    Still can’t believe we’ll nominate Newt.

    We don’t wanna lose it again
    We’re not like the Dems
    G.O.P. when we finally
    Choose our nominee
    Guess what?
    It’s gonna be Mitt!

    (and I’m so unhappy about that)

  10. Bitterlaw says:

    Newt Gingrich is so far to the left of Mitt he’s Right!

  11. JulStol says:

    You cannot be to the left of someone who has no center.

  12. Bitterlaw says:

    Jul – please explain to me how Newt, a career politician who lobbied for Fannie and Freddie, supports national healthcare mandates, supports anti-global warming policies with Nancy Pelosi, and wants amnesty for illegals has a conservative center. You have the floor.

  13. Waingro says:

    Surprising poll out of Colorado. I would have thought that was a safe Romney state or at LEAST be a close one for him.

  14. Just come off the crane and see this. I just about puked. We are going to lose 16,000 shale oil rigs because we are going to nominate Newt.

  15. Brandon says:

    You know what, all of the polls are probably rigged to show Gingrich ahead. All is well in Romneyland.

  16. Waingro says:

    Lol, Brandon.

  17. Phil says:


    Colorado primary voters are also the geniuses who nominated Senator Buck.

  18. Senator COD says:

    Country Dick – it’s ok. Romney has to be stopped. General Election victories are for losers. Go Newt! Senators Miller, Angle, Buck and I will vote against Obama’s Supreme Court nominations.

  19. Wes says:

    Hehe, Brandon.

  20. Corey says:

    The internals of all these polls show the committed level of Gingrich voters is very shallow, and that Romney is overwhelmingly their second choice.

    Newt leads in the polls now (which as a Romney supporter I welcome), but the longer term outlook doesn’t quite look as good for Newtie.

  21. Wes says:

    You would have thought they would have learned from that idiocy, Phil. Obviously not.

  22. Corey says:

    It also looks like a lot of the lingering Cain people have gone to Bachmann, which is where they may have been at the beginning of the summer.

  23. Wes says:

    Let’s just make it a Gingrich-Palin ticket so as to ensure a cataclysm.

  24. Brandon says:

    Corey, I’d rather control my own destiny, rather than having to hope someone else falters.

  25. It just is so dumb. I will vote for Newt. A lot of my Brothers will vote for him since Obama will kill drilling in PA and OH. Our wives and ex’s won’t vote for Newt.

  26. Diogenes says:

    The biggest problem is that the media paints the GOP as extreme so that moderates leave. The hard right then takes over the party and nominates blowhards.

    It is highly subversive.

  27. Wes says:

    If RTW’s on the ballot, a lot of your union brothers who might have considered Newt won’t even do that, CDM.

  28. Corey says:

    A win is a win, but in a sense, I would say that Romney’s advantages in money and organization mean he does control his own destiny.

    But in politics, sometimes you have to capitalize on what you are given.

    And about a month from now, Republicans are going to suddenly come to terms with serious problems they have both with Newt Gingrich and his electability.

    Romney wins Iowa (or just finishes ahead of Gingrich in Iowa, with a fluke, irrelevant Ron Paul win) and it’s over, or if Newt wins Iowa, surprising me in the process, then the backlash starts and all sorts of people get very serious about rallying around Romney and saving this process.

    I am old enough to remember the days and weeks right after Pat Buchanan won New Hampshire in 1996.

  29. Bitterlaw says:

    The hard right then takes over the party and nominates blowhards.

    Actually, the hard right is on a path towards nominating a very liberal Republican named Newt.

  30. lisab says:

    many republicans do not care about the general

    they just won’t vote for a mormon

  31. 29 – You are correct.

  32. Bitterlaw says:

    Why don’t we try this with unions? You folks have every right to form a union. Your employer has every right to tell you to . . . .and you can strike until you starve or come back to work.

  33. Mittmentum2012 says:

    Jul said it the other day

    They’d rather lose with Newt than win with Mitt

  34. Mittmentum2012 says:

    But he can DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  35. Mittmentum2012 says:

    “Mr Gingrich, did you have more qualms deserting sick wife number two for wife number three or did you feel more guilty when you deserted sick wife number one?”

  36. GF says:

    Forgive the sophomoric analysis, but Newt screams Dean (pun intended) and Romney is playing the Boston Brahmin role previously performed by John Kerry. Newt will have his fun and wow the caucus and primary goers as the former front-runner looks like he’ll be passed over, but when sobriety sets in, the voters will ask themselves if they really want four more years of Obama. When they answer “Hell, no!” they will then reluctantly cast their ballots for Romney to dispatch Hussein. It may not happen in Iowa, but those fruitcakes don’t matter anyway. NH’s momentum will carry over into more sane states like SC, FL and beyond.

    Newt will have to have serious money to play, and as of yet, he doesn’t.

  37. Sean says:

    32.many republicans do not care about the general

    they just won’t vote for a mormon

    I am not LDS – but have some good friends that are, and that’s a crying shame that some people would not vote for Romney because he’s a Mormon. From what I can tell, the LDS faith teaches to keep civil and religious matters separate, and from what I can tell they do a better job at that than some of the other churches.

    I see Romney catching on better in the general than Newt. I hope I’m wrong…

    – one of those Colorado Republican voters who did NOT vote for Ken Buck in the primary

  38. Brandon says:

    Money means nothing without supporters and right now Romney doesn’t have enough supporters.

  39. Mittmentum2012 says:

    “Mr Gingrich when you deserted your first wife why did you refuse to pay child support?”

  40. lisab says:

    it is very possible paul wins iowa now

    because he is ruthlessly attacking newt


    many will go to paul over newt as they see gingrich’s problems

  41. Wes says:

    I hope you’re right, GF.

    Will Norton run in 2014, Sean?

  42. lisab says:

    “when sobriety sets in, the voters will ask themselves if they really want four more years of Obama. When they answer “Hell, no!” they will then reluctantly cast their ballots for Romney to dispatch Hussein.”

    did you not see the post where a certain poster did not want romney to win

    because it would give mormons good PR?

  43. Mittmentum2012 says:

    “Mr Gingrich why did you humiliate your wife by seeking to have your marriage annulled?”

  44. Waingro says:

    I thought there was a good block of Mormans in Western Colorado though?

  45. GF says:

    40- Desperate supporters (half of whom are barely committed to Newt) don’t help Gingrich when he has bupkus for money. Maybe he’ll get some in the interim, but a lot of those voters won’t stick with him when the balloting starts.

    How many will is the $64K Question. I am starting to come around to the Paulbots position that perhaps IA can surprise us. Normally, I would facepalm that, but if it stops Newt cold in his tracks, then I am all for it.

  46. Wes says:

    My problem is with the ideology of Mormonism and not wanting to see it spread.

    –La Zebra

  47. 34 – I assume that comment is directed at me. If you have seen my other comments you would know that RTW does not bother me. I would much rather solicit work on my own than go through the Union Business Agent. I work construction. If I want to fly steel, then I join the the union. Not all of us are thugs, that is mostly the organizers and “overhead” who don’t actually work anymore except by taking our dues and claiming to represent us.

    I am just telling you how we lose Ohio. Nominate Newt and/or get RTW on the ballot. That is just the way it is.

  48. lisab says:

    OK .. here are the two sets of headlines. Can you tell me which was from 2004 and which was from last week?

    The President’s Jobless Recovery
    Frustrated Job Seekers Cause Jobless Rate To Drop
    Economy Adds Few New Jobs
    Low Jobless Rate Reflects Lost Hope
    US Jobless Rate Drops But For Wrong Reasons,2085883&dq=the+president's+jobless+recovery&hl=en

    Unemployment Rate Drops To 8.6% Raising Hopes
    Jobless Rate Drop Could Boost Obama
    Obama Gets Economic Indicator He Can Crow About
    Good News On Job Front For Obama
    Jobless Rate Lowest In 2.5 Years

  49. GF says:

    Jane Norton should run again just so CO Republicans can idiotically push her aside for Ken Buck Part II and p*$$ away another winnable Senate seat.

    The path to the 75th Congress is clear. Let’s nominate Newt and get the ball rolling!

  50. Bitterlaw says:

    Speaker Gingrish, if Kitty Dukakis was raped and murdered would you favor the death penalty for her killer?

    Who cares? She’s a wife.

  51. Sean says:

    Wes – I’d love to see Senator Norton. If the Colorado GOP would have nominated her, I do believe she’d be representing Colorado in Washington right now instead of Michael Bennet.

    Apart from Colorado Springs which is Texas west, Colorado is a state that is very much in the center ideologically. The ironic thing is that Jane Norton won Colorado Springs, but not by enough to keep Ken Buck from winning the primary.

  52. Mittmentum2012 says:



    Did you read where one of Gingrich’s aides had to hurriedly rush Gingrich’s two young daughters away from their house because some whore was blowing FatToad and he just barely was able to prevent them from seeing that?


    Sign me up

  53. Wes says:

    I’m a former union member myself, CDM (Steelworker employed at a Goodyear factory). I 100% support RTW but understand the deleterious nature of the politics relating to it in big industrial states.

  54. Robbie says:

    Has anyone seen what Steve Moore wrote in the WSJ online today? He says insiders are determining if a new entrant can run in select states only and be viable. Erick Erickson and several others say Jeb Bush is a name being discussed. Also seen Christie, Rudy, and DeMint mentioned.

    At least for day, I feel like I won’t have to eat a crap sandwich.

  55. Wes says:

    I understand that, Sean. My question was, Is Norton planning to run again in 2014?.

  56. Mittmentum2012 says:

    Stop Robbie

    There is no cavalry coming

    It’s FatToad or Mitt

  57. 55-Most of us Union guys are just clinging to our guns and what little religion we can get on Sunday after staying out all night Saturday.

  58. Mittmentum2012 says:

    Christie f^cked up

    He should have boldly gotten in, very early

    He’d be running away with this now…

  59. Sean says:

    I don’t know if Norton is planning on running, Wes. I wouldn’t be suprised to see Mike Coffman try to run for Senate. The Colorado redistricting map is trying to push him out of his seat.

  60. Wes says:

    I gather from 51 GF wasn’t too thrilled about the result of the Buck-Norton primary.

  61. lisab says:

    Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann appeared stunned Sunday after an 8-year-old South Carolina boy told her that his gay mother didn’t “need any fixing.”

    The candidate was signing her memoir Core of Conviction for a scant few supporters at a Myrtle Beach Books-A-Million when 8-year-old Elijah stepped forward with a message.

    “You said it, but I think my ears were too far away,” Bachmann told the boy as she leaned over the table, pulling him close.

    “Ms. Bachmann, my mommy’s gay but she doesn’t need any fixing,” Elijah whispered into her ear.

    The dumbfounded GOP hopeful slowly stood up with her wide eyes glaring at the mother.

    “Bye, bye,” she waived.

  62. Bitterlaw says:

    CDM – I am agreeing with you. Lobbyist JulStol hates Governor Corbett for not committing political suicide like Kasich in Ohio. He blasts Governor Christie for telling the Teachers’ Union to “f off” without forcing them to disband. I’m not anti-union. i am opposed to endlessly laying down for them. There is a nuanced difference in approach that would serve the GOP better.

  63. Wes says:

    I heard the redistricting map was a potential GOP fubar, Sean.

  64. 65-Thanks. There are more of us against Obama than you might think.

  65. Wes says:

    When I was employed at Goodyear, I was surprised at the number of GOP union members.

  66. Sean says:

    Last I heard the courts were favoring the Democrats maps in Colorado, meaning that CO-1 (DeGette), CO-2 (Polis), CO-6 (Coffman), and CO-7 (Perlmutter) will likely lean Democratic. CO-5 (Lamborn) will be safe Republican, CO-4 (Gardner) will lean that way as well, and CO-3 (Tipton) will be more competive but likely lean GOP.

    You can thank the Tea Party and Mr. Dan Maes for part of this.

  67. Knighthawk says:

    Romney refused to attended Trump hosted debate.

  68. Sean says:

    According to Wiki, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) is encouraging Jane Norton to run against Mark Udall, who will be 64 years old in 2014.

  69. lisab says:

    Egypt is taken over by the Islamists not democracy, world stunned. Except for Israel who running shouting, told ya so told ya so, na na na na

  70. lisab says:

    “Romney refused to attended Trump hosted debate.”

    so did i

  71. Wes says:

    Good for Ayotte. Jul still hasn’t forgiven her for committing the cardinal sin of actually beating a Dem. I’m sure she can live with that, however.

  72. Corey says:

    While the idea of Donald Trump hosting a debate, Apprentice Boardroom style might make for interesting television if it happened, it really was a bad idea politically for any serious Presidential candidate.

  73. GF says:

    Why, no, Wes, I was not thrilled at all. I distinctly recall dooming Buck from the get go b/c he had already opened his mouth a few times and was unrepentent about it. Norton was just as conservaytive both socially and fiscally, but she was smart enough to keep her mouth shut when people like David Gregory were around. What I despise about many of my fellow conservatives is that they feel the need to preach to the world instead of quietly getting the work done. Talk means nothing; winning and being in a position to influence the law does.

    Dan Maes is the perfect example of why parties need to have mechanisms in place to get rid of lousy candidates. Foreign parties in many countries can dispatch bad candidates if push comes to shove, so there is no reason why we should stick with ours to the bitter end. Winning a nomination does not entitle one to cr@p all over that party’s electoral chances.

  74. BayernFan says:

    A Paul win in Iowa would be beneficial to Mitt as well.

    Deny Newt any wins going into SoCarolina. By then, Mitt will have trounced all comers in New Hampshire and Newt will be in a swoon….. leaving Mitt to win South Carolina.

  75. J T says:

    Sean, the CO Supreme Court approved the Dem Map. I guess controlling the State House, did not help the CO GOP to get a status quo map.

    they should block Hickey’s whole agenda

  76. Knighthawk says:

    lisab your running for president?

    75. I don’t know what the format would be, but what I know is he just seeded more ground by declining.

  77. Wes says:

    Seeded or ceded, Knight?

  78. Wes says:

    Amen to 76, GF.

  79. Knighthawk says:

    I’m not surprised though, I mean if you think Brett Baier’s questions are uncalled for then you’re definitely not going to like Trump asking questions.

  80. Knighthawk says:

    80. lol yes ceded, seeded would be more akin to Gingrich or Cain. 😉

  81. Wes says:

    Maes was a Ronulan. Why am I not surprised?

  82. Wes says:

    I have to disagree, Knight. I think refusing a Trump-moderated debate helps Romney while attending it hurts Gingrich.

  83. Mittmentum2012 says:

    After listening to that interview, I have no idea how any conservative can support FatToad

  84. GF says:

    Wes, you weren’t surprised b/c he worked for the defeat of the GOP, as they so often do. Might as well have been an 80% GOP voter. 😉

  85. GF says:

    88- B/c he’s not Mormon, MFG. And, probably just as importat, he’s not from Massachussetts. I actually think that has more to do with it than the whole Mormon thing for a lot of folks; it’s bad enough having Obama, but must we have to suffer another Northeasterner? Most of our guys feel like Goldwater did, that a big saw should be taken to the mason-Dixon line so that everything north of it can float over to France where those people would be more comfortable anyway.

  86. Corey says:

    Romney grew up in the Midwest. Gingrich grew up in the East.

  87. Mittmentum2012 says:

    Did you hear the support for the Global Warming Scam?

  88. Knighthawk says:

    86. Well of course your entitled to your opinion, while I get the fact people claim it might be a circus, this process is one big fing circus. To me it just looks like Romney trying to avoid more questions. Some I’m sure will be serious, others stupid, just like every other moderator.

  89. Bryan says:

    I wish another candidate would put enough of a scare into Romney for him to run to the right.

    I would feel so much better if we got half a dozen concrete conservative promises out of him.

  90. Wes says:

    Well, Romney’s been at every major debate tgus far, Knight. He could have handled the Baer thing better, but I didn’t get the sense he was trying to avoid questions. I just think Mitt, like several other candidates, has decided a debate sure to be marred by Trump’s shameless camerahogging was a pointless event to attend and elected to skip it.

  91. karl r rove says:

    No Newt is good Newt! Newt sucks. Big time. Let us not make the mistakes of 1996 and 1997 all over again!

  92. GF says:

    I hope Trump makes a mockery of the whole thing and then fires everybody who showed up (as the camera zooms in on him); that would discredit the jokers who thought that it would be a serious forum.

  93. Corey says:

    13.I am no longer going to post on this site. I am sure that many do not care, I just wanted to say it. The arrogance from some of the posters on here is beyond me. What is it that makes so many of you act like arrogant narrow minded liberals? What is it that makes you think you can be so sarcastic and feel so special? Is it the fact that you are from New England?

    I was and still am a huge Tancredo fan although I cannot disagree more with his endorsement of Romney. I am just so tired of seeing the arrogance and name calling of some of the posters on here. It’s what I expect to see from ignorant liberals. Coming from mindless hate-filled liberals, it would not surprise me. I guess it doesn’t surprise me any more to come from some of you because many of you don’t even understand what being a conservative should be about. You’d rather do as the liberals do, point fingers, make stupid witless jokes, and sit on your high horse.

    Bitterlaw, I cannot believe you actually have the nerve to say something about any other candidate when you support the biggest loser in the primary race, John McCain. McCain, who looks like a walking corpse, is the most visibly phony poltician in DC. He is the same loser that, in 2004, said John Kerry was qualified to be president. Are you kidding me? The partial birth aborter? Also, how many amnesty bills has your number one candidate sat down and written with the biggest liberal in DC, Teddy Kennedy? And you have the odacity to poke fun at a guy because he stands up for the rule of law and wants to rid the country of illegal alien leaches and terrorists unlike your favorite liberal, John McCain? Your candidate should be running as a moderate in the democratic primary.

    For any others that want to poke fun towards Tancredo, Hunter, or Paul, you have nothing to base it on. You make ignorant ridiculous comments based not on fact but liberal emotion. All you can do is attempt to drag a true conservative like Tom Tancredo down. You cannot base it on knowledge, fact or anything of the sort, just your own pathetic emotions.

    Hey, but it’s a great idea. Let’s keep acting like the liberals do……good idea.

    If the drive by media started doing more stories about and pumping up Tancredo, many of you phonies, including the liberal that runs this site, would probably start warming up to Tancredo. You all are so programmed and you are too ignorant to see it.

    Comment by tate — December 21, 2007 @ 9:51 pm

  94. Corey says:

    Four years ago to this very day, MD was really going after me on the HHR, and I had some comments as well for “White Flag Wes.”

    I also note that on this day four years ago, polls came out showing McCain in fifth place in South Carolina at about 9 or 10 percent.


  95. GF says:

    Who was “tate?” I don’t rememebr that poster at all, and I have been here since ’04.

    Now, Sharon Tate, OTOH, what a yum-yum; not likely to forget her anytime soon.

  96. lisab says:

    Blanca Contreras faces several charges, including reckless vehicular homicide, after the Nov. 23 incident in which police say she hit Waltham resident Scott “Scotty” Coxall with her SUV at the intersection of Church and School streets at about 6 p.m. Coxall suffered severe injuries to his head and legs and died at Massachusetts General Hospital on Thursday, Dec.1.

    Police said Contreras’ Nissan Pathfinder SUV failed to stop at the intersection and ran into Coxall. When police arrived, Coxall was unconscious on the ground and suffering serious injuries, according to an officer’s report.

    During Contreras’ arraignment on Monday, Middlesex County District Attorney Ceara Mahoney revealed that Contreras is an illegal immigrant from Guatemala and has been in the United States illegally for 11 years.

  97. David says:

    It appears that Gingrich is going to win this thing…Just think, back in August/September there was talk he was going to suspene his campaign.

  98. GF says:

    102- Illegals: Committing the vehicular manslaughters Americans won’t.

  99. Benny says:

    AL Republican Primayr poll:

    Gingrich: 43%
    Romney: 14%
    Perry: 04%
    Bachmann: 03%
    Paul: 03.5%
    Huntsman: 01%
    Santorum: 01%

  100. GF says:

    Since AL does not vote until March 13, there is plenty of time for those numbers to fluctuate.

  101. Knighthawk says:

    103. I recall it happening earlier then that, around the time his staff had quit, early June I think. If it wins or not remains to be seen but if he does the story will share similarities with McCain’s 2008 run.

  102. CPA says:

    Steve Moore has a good point and the rest of you here at HHR are dimwits er dim-Mitts.

    The WSJ ran a story last week showing McCain clinched the nomination in early March 2006 (March 6th) when a little over 1,600 delegates had been awarded. The WSJ then compared that chart with the delegates to be awarded in 2012 and McCain would not have clinched until… wait for it….May 31st.

    That leaves plenty of time for a dark horse like DeMint to enter the race. Unless Newt can win IA, SC, FL, and come in a close second in NH, February will be an interesting month.

  103. CPA says:

    This will make all the red staters cringe but the nomination may come down to CA on June 5th.

  104. Emerica says:

    Except most of the deadlines in those states have passed to get on the ballot.

    Newt is already having issues getting on NH ballot. He missed Missouri ballot all together.

  105. GF says:

    You mean both Newt and Romney missed out on MO? I read that Romney was effectively skipping the first beauty contest there to focus on the second, binding contest.

  106. Emerica says:

    Gingrich gets testy about all the dirt on him that the ethics committee is keeping secret.

    Gingrich: ‘File Charges’ Against Pelosi if She Releases Dirt on Me

    “EDITOR’S NOTE: Remember when Gingrich said who ever repeated what he said was lying? “Any ad which quotes what I said Sunday is a falsehood,” said Newt. He basically admits there’s tons of dirt on him we don’t know yet. As a Nixon fan, Gingrich is awesome!”

  107. mnw says:

    MO primary is a beauty contest. Who cares?

    Corey take wittle ball & go home? Yea!

  108. CPA says:

    MO primary is advisory only. Delegates are selected at a caucus now. You guys need to study up on the 2012 rules.

  109. CPA says:

    GF is correct. MO caucus will be huge test.

  110. mnw says:

    Well… I plan to attend my GOP MO county caucus, unless the nomination is all wrapped up by then.

    Guess I’ll vote for the un-Newt… if there’s one still standing.

  111. CPA says:

    Most states on the March 6th date have late filing deadlines, like in February. perry should dominate Texas primary, so Super Tuesday will not be so super in 2012. Caucuses have no deadlines since most are write-in.

    2012 is going to be fun. Huntmentum.

  112. CPA says:

    Doubt newt will have it wrapped up come MO caucus time. You may have fun this year MNW.

  113. mnw says:

    Not so far!

  114. Robbie says:

    It may not happen, but there is plenty of time for a darkhorse to jump in the race. The deadlines in just five states have been missed. Jeb, Christie, Daniels, and Rubio could all change their minds today and win. It is that simple.

    We shouldn’t feel we have to accept to awful choices. Mitt is marginally acceptable to me, but Newt is a suicide bomber. Why allow him a free path if he can be stopped? Call me a wide eyed optimist, but I still hope someone decides he can’t sit by and let his party self destruct.

  115. Brandon says:

    You’re delusional.

  116. Tina says:

    When do we get the polls showing Fig Newton ahead in NH?

  117. Cory says:

    “The crux here, the issue driving this whole “Tebow Thing,” is the matter of faith. It’s the ongoing choice between embracing a warm feeling that makes no sense or a cold pragmatism that’s probably true. And with Tebow, that illogical warm feeling keeps working out. It pays off. The upside to secular thinking is that — in theory — your skepticism will prove correct. Your rightness might be emotionally unsatisfying, but it confirms a stable understanding of the universe. Sports fans who love statistics fall into this camp. People who reject cognitive dissonance build this camp and find the firewood. But Tebow wrecks all that, because he makes blind faith a viable option. His faith in God, his followers’ faith in him — it all defies modernity. This is why people care so much. He is making people wonder if they should try to believe things they don’t actually believe.”

  118. GF says:

    122- Leave him, Brandon; thank God someone has a glimmer of hope that the spineless ninnies in our party might care enough to try to save it from a death ride to the polls. I of course know better, but it’s nice to see someone with a little optimism.

    Out for the night; see you all tomorrow.

  119. GF says:

    “Leave him be,” rather.

  120. Addisonst says:

    Reading Corey after along day away from here is just hilarious. Forgot about Newt’s likely being a souffle. Mitt has lost support since Oct. A lot.

    He truly is Chip Dillard. Corey you want to wager that Mitt doesn’t win Iowa?


    The big issue in iowa is going to be does Newt hang on, does Paul get the mouth breather win or does one of the other former flavors of the month rally to grab Ioway?

    Marv is Perry going to do the Lazarus impression in ottumwa?

  121. Addisonst says:

    And for the rest of the Mittporters, anybody want to venture a theory as to why his support has dropped? Did his former supporters get more a prejudiced?

    He’s doing worse in Iowa than 4 years ago. Why is that? Because this crop of candidates is better than 4 years ago?

  122. lisab says:

    don’t worry about newt

    so he loses, the only bad thing that will happen is scotus

  123. Phil says:

    Gee, is that all?

  124. SoThisIsHopeAndChange says:

    unc is playing a team and the score is 83-36…the other team has over 25 fouls and less than 20 shots.

    oh and there is about 10 minutes left

  125. SoThisIsHopeAndChange says:

    we wouldn’t be able to stop obama from appointing a marxist even if we had 60

  126. SoThisIsHopeAndChange says:

    the scrubs have been on the court since 15:00 of the second half

  127. lisab says:

    “Gee, is that all?”

    pretty much.

    he won’t be able to pass legislation

  128. SoThisIsHopeAndChange says:

    the walk ons are on the court with 5:00 left.

    the other guys have 31 fouls and 41 points.

    7 points till biscuits

  129. Addisonst says:

    Why can’t anybody ever answer the question of why Mitt has dropped or is doing worse than 4 years ago?

    The Mittsters have very litter introspection. It’s all about how stupid the voters are and how prejudiced. But Mitt didn’t drop from october due to prejudice. There’s an inherent weakness in his candidacy right?

  130. SoThisIsHopeAndChange says:

    no biscuits for us…97-48

  131. maelstrom says:

    Rumor has it that Fort Wayne auto dealer Bob Thomas will enter the Indiana Senate primary and be a second challenger to Lugar. He self funded his primary campaign for Congress a few years ago losing to Souder who later left office because of a sex scandal.

    Mourdock is from southern IN while Thomas is from the north. Could split the anti-Lugar vote. Thomas may be a stalking horse for Lugar.

  132. lisab says:

    “University of Maine at Fort Kent”

    you still have not listed the states gingrich can win to get to 270

    after i have asked you 37 times

  133. Bitterlaw says:

    Many conservatives used to:

    oppose illegal immigration

    oppose healthcare mandates

    oppose Fannie and Freddie Mac involvement in housing

    oppose the idea that global warming was man-made

    oppose efforts to reverse global warming

    oppose corruption/unethical behavior.

    support family values and a strong nuclear family

    Of course, that makes Newt the Conservative Standard Bearer.

  134. MD says:

    Good for Mitt for saying no to Trump. Can’t we all see what a stupid idea this is?

    Corey – so 4 years ago today we went at it? Probably the same 5 years ago.

    As for the poster I don’t remember called Tate, I retroactively award 7.5 Maxwells. A good, solid, yeoman like effort.

    I just finished my work day 15 minutes ago. So, to all of you who question me when I post for an hour or 2 during the middle of the day, f off. I work more hours than all of you. I have a 5:30 wakeup call to Montreal.

    You guys are lucky the last thread was so short. I detected that the positives regarding Chek were used up fairly quickly.

  135. Bitterlaw says:

    Drinking Gray Goose isn’t working, mf-er.

  136. Bitterlaw says:

    You’re right about Chek, though. That was torture. There was no way I was going to be able to enforce those rules, MD.

  137. Bitterlaw says:

    MD – what is the Canadian take on the US election? Maybe you don’t discuss it because it’s bad for business.

  138. MD says:

    It is working when it leads to money in my pocket. I have to be “on”. You know, kind of the opposite of how I was when you woke me up from my nap. There is a reason why I need those naps.

  139. MD says:

    Bitter – 95% want Obama. I say nothing.

  140. MD says:

    BTW – 4 Alexander Keiths and a glass of wine. Should be OK for the early morning wakeup (have my boarding pass already) but am only going 15 more minutes here.

  141. Bitterlaw says:

    You know, kind of the opposite of how I was when you woke me up from my nap.

    We agreed to never speak of that day.

  142. MD says:


    You just opened up a whole new shi+ storm with that.

  143. walt says:

    Oh, Dear God…
    Party like a principal

    Chief spent school’s thou$ands on self: city

    Last Updated: 10:25 AM, December 6, 2011

    Posted: 1:42 AM, December 6, 2011

    A veteran Bronx principal turned her elementary school’s coffers into a piggy bank for herself and her family, spending thousands of dollars of school funds and city time on Broadway shows, Yankee tickets, and trips to the hair stylist, city investigators revealed in a scathing report.

    The 27-year city educator also spent more than $3,200 of school funds on 100 tickets for two Yankee games — including 30 seats located in the Mohegan Sun Sports Bar in center field.

    She denied all of the alleged misdeeds to investigators, saying she hadn’t been trained on things such as school trips.

  144. Bitterlaw says:

    I would rather spend an hour in front of a judge than 10 minutes at my desk. It’s show time! I know people who hate speaking in public. Too bad I have no idea how to do what you do, MD. I was born to speak (even if I say nothing).

  145. MD says:

    Bitter – how about beers maybe next Saturday? Booked this weekend with the ever so pleasant treat of a party at the boss’ house. Next weekend looks good. Have to buy the wife a Nova sweatshirt. Any chance you could pick that up for me? She is an adult small, womens? I am good for the $.

  146. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt – I am impressed that she could get $32 Yankees tickets. She’s a magician.

  147. Bitterlaw says:

    MD never asks me out until I talk about my rectal exam. Does that seem strange to anybody else?

  148. MD says:

    Bitter – I speak to groups all the time. I have a reputation as a straight shooter who never downs th competition. Just the opposite of my rep here.

  149. MD says:

    When did you talk about your rectal exam? I don’t read every post on a thread where I am late. I have adult ADD. Are you dying?

  150. Bitterlaw says:

    Does she want just Villanova or her grad school, too?

  151. MD says:

    Just Nova Bitter. She now hates her undergrad Temple. Has to do with the cheerleading comp at Temple. Long story.

  152. Bitterlaw says:

    Are you dying?

    Comment by MD — December 6, 2011 @ 9:57 pm

    Not since the exam stopped. I went to the ER on Sunday because I had terrible back pain. WebMD confirmed that I had either back pain, kidney stones or an ovarian cyst. The rectal exam was part of the fun at Bryn Mawr hospital. The answer was back pain (as well as psychological trauma from being molested by a Physician’s Assistant who didn’t even call me the next day). I’m actually feeling a lot better. It only hurts getting out of bed and getting in and out of my car.

  153. Bitterlaw says:

    Grey or blue, MD?

  154. lisab says:

    “oppose the idea that global warming was man-made”

    some of it undoubted is

    cities are warmer than the wilderness

    however, the effect is minimal, global warming is almost entirely related to the activity of the sun

  155. Bitterlaw says:

    The Athletic Director of Temple lives in Radnor. His son is on the same rec league team as my son. A few years ago, my son was invited to sit for an entire game at the scorer’s table. Do you want me to talk to the AD?

  156. Bitterlaw says:

    lisab – I am going to shock many here. I have no idea if the Earth is getting warmer or if we are just better at measuring it Maybe we are having an impact and maybe we are not. I would not launch some huge project that would probably do nothing to deal with a problem if it existed. I actually got dropped bya facebook friend because he went on a long rant about how the Earth was warming and we were to blame and the climate had to be restored. He dropped me after I asked “What temperature is the Earth supposed to be?”

  157. Bitterlaw says:

    MD – Villanova has a cheerleading camp in the summer. It also has camps for every sport.

  158. lisab says:

    given gingrich gets the nomination,

    obama probably appoints 3 scotus judges in his next term

    ginsberg, breyer, and either scalia or kennedy

    not a huge change as long as it is not scalia

  159. Corey says:

    One thing Add might be forgetting to take into account in his theory about Romney doing worse in Iowa than four years ago is that this time, Romney has spent a lot less time in the state and a whole lot less money there.

  160. lisab says:

    the earth has warmed up some since ww2, that is not disputed …

    however, the earth is not the hottest it has ever been

    nor does human activity explain global warming on mars

    the sun’s activity does

  161. lisab says:

    ““What temperature is the Earth supposed to be?”

    we are due for an ice age btw

  162. lisab says:

    it does not matter how romney does in iowa

    it only matters how gingrich can get to 270

    that is very unlikely

  163. Corey says:

    I think he can get to 270 through diet and exercise.

  164. Bitterlaw says:

    If I buy a snowblower it will never snow again. Send me $499 and the Northeast will be like San Diego.

  165. MD says:

    Bitter – I am thinking blue. Thanks. I am done for the night. Exhausted.

  166. Bitterlaw says:

    Breaking News – Calista has a headache. Campaign staff summons divorce lawyer, female staffer and priest. Wife given deadling to “feel better by 4:00 a.m. or marriage will be annulled.

  167. lisab says:

    the real question is

    if scalia is replaced by another Elena Kagan

    how does that change the usa

  168. Bitterlaw says:

    I will fit you in this week-end, MD, between son and daughter’s basketball and wife’s office party on Saturday night at the Franklin Institute (usually a 4 hour torture for me but she’s a partner and I have to be “on.”) At least I can walk through the giant heart after hours.

  169. Emerica says:

    Bachmann Friday said she would consider Trump as a running mate….

    She’s trying to win the Trump debate

  170. Bitterlaw says:

    lisab – things will change but not as much as some think at first. Places like D.C. will ban guns almost completely. Most states won’t. Abortion? It’s legal now with very limited restrictions and would be legal then. I don’t want Obama appointing more judges but the horror stories are far fetched on a national scale. I think states would actually have more power to do what they want. California – lefty utopia. Alabama – right wing paradise.

  171. maelstrom says:

    IN treasurer and Senate candidate Mourdock misplaced $300 million. Found in another state account. Nothing criminal just poor management. State didn’t know they had the money. Budget cut accordingly last legislative session. I’m sure Donnelly won’t use it against him in the general.

  172. Cory says:

    I just looked this up. Hillary Clinton is the same age as Mitt Romney, and is four years younger than Newt Gingrich.
    Anybody not think she’s running in 2016?

  173. addisonst says:

    Romney is spending less effort in iowa than last time but this time he’s going to win. Okee fine. Is paul going to be this years pat robertson in iowa?

  174. walt says:


    [ via LA Times]

    Governor to Take Tax-Hike Plan Straight to Voters

    Gov. Jerry Brown, announcing a signature-gathering effort to place a measure to raise income and sales taxes on the November 2012 ballot, says he wants to avoid partisan gridlock in the Capitol. The new revenue would fund public schools and guarantee money for counties to house more inmates in local jails instead of in state prisons.

  175. HD says:

    Hill isn’t running in 16.

    She looks 116 now.

    She ages in dog years.

    Ask me why.

  176. Emerica says:

    Paul as of a couple weeks ago had 20,000 hard pledges to attend the caucus.

    Romney had about 30,000 in 08 to take about 25%

  177. walt says:

    OK, I’ll tee it up for ya.


  178. jan1 says:


    Gov. Brown is desperate for revenue of any kind. I doubt, though, that his tax hikes will go through.

    Re: Romney not being a part of the Trump debates..I second wes and MD that it was a good move. Trump has some interesting ideas, but, IMO, is wahy overrated. Holding a presidential debate is also over his pay grade. Injecting himself in the presidential debates only diminishes them and those who chose to participate in them.

  179. walt says:

    Many states and municipalities have a long list of spending cuts and leglsiation passed that reduce their spending and expenses.

    Can anyone provide me a list of the federal spending cuts that Obammer administration has made since Jan, 2009 and the amount total?

  180. walt says:

    If the “last lost lust list” is the answer, what is the question?

  181. Cory says:

    Life expectancy is also five years longer for women (80.8) than men (75.6) in the U.S.

    (In Canada it’s 82.9 and 78.3)

  182. walt says:

    Do you realize that you can rearrange the letters of


    and get

    Which might be the answer to the question of:

    What did a Newt capture of the GOP nomination do to the chance of winning the GE?

    They went

  183. Cory says:

    Which record of wanted sexual partners did you most recently misplace?

  184. walt says:

    We have a cat named Lucky but I call her “Lucy” [short for Lucifer].

    She spends the bulk of her time sleeping and holding down the couch or a bed (with occasional romps to the food trough or to use the litter box).

    But at Christmastime she is adept at stealthily taking various ornaments off the Christmas tree and shredding them.

    How do you break a cat of that habit?

  185. walt says:

    Heard on talk radio that Obammer and Dems were b*itchin about Rs in Senate blocking appointment of a certain federal judge today. Further bashed R’s on the fact that there have been 80 some vacancies in federal courts for 6 years and implied the Rs were responsible for the vacancies not being filled.

    Senate R leadership retorted that of the 80 some vacancies 47 appointment recommendations have never yet been voted out of the D controlled Senate appointments committee.

    80 some vacancies that have been there for 6+ years. Names of 47 nominees are still in committee being considered.

    What is G*d’s name do these Senators get paid for?

  186. walt says:

    188.Life expectancy is also five years longer for women (80.8) than men (75.6) in the U.S.

    (In Canada it’s 82.9 and 78.3)
    ACLU, UN, and Civil Rights Commission expected to file lawsuits soon regarding the blatant and shaeful inequity….

  187. lisab says:

    what are four letter words that differ by only the second letter?

  188. lisab says:

    you can buy a spray at your local pet shop that will keep your cat away from a tree … usually citrus or bitter apple spray that your cat will hate


    spread aluminum foil under the tree. cats hate to walk on aluminum foil.

  189. walt says:

    Obammer nomination of “judicial activist” Caitlin Halligan as a federal judge has been defeated in a cloture vote.


    Take a guess as to which way Sen. Manchin D–WV) voted?
    That’s RIGHT!!! Voted to confirm the appt.

  190. walt says:

    Aluminum foil, eh?

    I’ll borrow some from one of the Paulbots.

  191. Emerica says:

    -Cain Train has crashed. Get on the Paul 2012 train

  192. lisab says:

    new iowa poll

    Romney trailing Gingrich w/ upper income & low income Republicans but ahead with women Newt’s dumped on their deathbeds.

  193. lisab says:

    My cell phone is dying — Newt Gingrich just asked it for a divorce.

  194. Tim V says:

    In 1981 this writer asked Georgia Congressman Larry McDonald for an evaluation of the rising Republican star from his neighboring 6th District. His reply was surprising at the time. Newt Gingrich, he said, was a devious and ambitious politician masquerading as a conservative and not one to be trusted. Gingrich had gone out of his way, Dr. McDonald said, to obstruct and to undermine support of conservative members of Congress for some of McDonald’s legislative efforts. This was particularly disturbing since Rep. McDonald was the most conservative member of Congress by virtually all rating systems and would have been a natural ally of Gingrich if Gingrich were truly conservative. In July 1983, the Conservative digest compared the voting scores of the leading conservatives in Congress based on ratings from the American Conservative Union, the Committee for the Survival of a Free Congress, the National Conservative Political Action Committee, and the New American’s only Conservative Index. Congressman McDonald topped the list at a combined 98.3 percent. Congressman Gingrich weighed in at an anemic 77.5 percent.

  195. Mittmentum2012 says:

    And Newt has gone much farther left since then…

  196. Tim V says:

    Gallup finds that 82 percent of Tea Party affiliated voters deem Newt Gingrich an acceptable Republican presidential nominee in 2012. They don’t seem to realize that if he wins the nod their movement is doomed, regardless of how the general election goes. The Tea Party cannot support Gingrich without betraying its core principles. But the movement also cannot disclaim him once he is the Republican nominee.

  197. Tim V says:

    newt is unacceptable. bachmann, paul, santorum, perry and huntsmann are unelectable…

    which leaves us with Mitt !

  198. SUSYQUE says:

    #191… Change her/his name to ANGEL. Never name anything that is your after the devil!

  199. Tim V says:

    it’s time to eat the dog food-support mitt.

  200. SUSYQUE says:

    Tim V.
    Perhaps you are right.

  201. Mittmentum2012 says:


  202. Tim says:

    What McDonald said was pretty much true. Of course, he himself was National President of the John Birch Society. Larry McDonald was no Conservative. He was a radical. He was also, unfortunately, my Congressman. I never voted for him. I happily voted for every Republican who ran against him.

  203. Tim says:

    Good one! LOL

  204. Tim says:

    Get a dog………

  205. Tim V says:

    I confess. rick perry’s letter did NOT contain the ps-

    that was added by me.

  206. Tim V says:

    walt, put arsenic on the ornaments

  207. Tim says:

    I live within just a few miles of the Alabama line. Believe me, the word “paradise” in no way applies, here……..

  208. Tim says:

    You’ll have that in Western Europe and up your way, when the Atlantic Current shuts down. We’ll have drought conditions, here. Melting Arctic Ice may trigger this, within just a few years. You remember? The Ice Melt, from the Global Warming that isn’t happening, according to some? All the info I just mentioned comes from data compiled by NASA, btw.

  209. Tim V says:

    gorebull warming ?