Santorum Leads in MO, Gingrich Leads in OH, Dems Lead in HI

So to play some catch up from yesterday, we had some polls from Ohio and Missouri from Public Policy Polling. Because Newt Gingrich’s campaign was too lazy to do the work to get Gingrich’s name on the ballot in Missouri, Rick Santorum currently leads the Republican presidential primary.

Rick Santorum 45%
Mitt Romney 34%
Ron Paul 13%

In the state of Ohio, the race is currently between Gingrich and Romney.

Newt Gingrich 26%
Mitt Romney 25%
Rick Santorum 22%
Ron Paul 11%

Some other primary races in Missouri for those following those races.

Tom Schweich 28%
Bill Randles 10%
Dave Spence 7%

Sarah Steelman 32%
Todd Akin 23%
John Brunner 18%

The Ohio poll was done January 28-29 among 626 primary voters. The Missouri poll was done January 27-29 among 574 primary voters. We have a new poll out of Hawaii from Honolulu Civil Beat showing either Democratic candidate leading Republican Linda Lingle in the race for US Senate.

Ed Case (D) 46%
Linda Lingle (R) 33%

Mazie Hirono (D) 46%
Linda Lingle (R) 39%

This poll was done January 18-19 among 1,358 likely voters

Posted by Dave at 7:22 am
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667 Responses to “Santorum Leads in MO, Gingrich Leads in OH, Dems Lead in HI”

  1. Brandon says:


    Thread rule: Articulate a way for someone other than Romney to be the nominee.

  2. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    Romney could be caught on videotape fuqqing an owl I suppose

    Although I think he’d win even then

  3. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    I’ve watched FatToads speech again, I genuinely think he has psychiatric problems

  4. Bitterlaw says:

    Get Romney to divorce his wife and become a lobbyist for Fannie and Freddie. Oh. That actually might increase his support from the true conservatives.

  5. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    Remember the movie “Dead Zone” from the 80’s where the President goes insane and launches a preemptive strike against the Soviet Union?

    Gingrich reminds me of that, there’s a mental instability to him lately that’s disturbing

  6. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    Newt pledges his “life his fortune and his sacred honor” at the very end of his demented rant last night

    Newt Gingrich’s sacred honor?!?!

    That’s like Madonna’s virginity or Bernie Madoff’s integrity

  7. Grace says:

    Over 50# % of voters and majority of conservatives still don’t want Mitt and I can see Owl is doing his best to keep it that way.

    You guys don’t want a divided party? You guys want conservatives to go to the polls in GE and vote for GOP nominee… you better get off you high horses and start trying to win over the conservative vote.

    Just as President McCain, President Dole, and elected vs. appointed President Ford. .. oh wait they are all dead, some are just still breathing.

  8. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    I don’t think that line of trolling will be effective Grace you need a different approach

  9. Grace says:

    Bitter… Where are the 500 Congressman lining up saying Newt approached them and lobbied on behalf of FM.

    Eight years of a consulting contract with FM and during all of those 8 years not one person from Congress, including all of those supporting Romney say that Newt approached them… NOT one.

    Has Romney or Bain ever done any lobbying? Paid lobbyists?

    Paying someone to represent you is still lobbying.

    But then you probably think the whore you pay is the one engaged in prostitution, and you are just an innocent consumer.

  10. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    Nah I don’t think thatll work either Grace

    You need to be more imaginative in your lying

    Why don’t you try anti Mormon bigotry maybe thatll work

  11. Grace says:

    OWLPOO —

    I believe you are the ones who need to try a different approach. Even the name you choose for posting makes me more inclined to stay home in Nov. is my only choice is between Obama and the Obamalite/Romney.

  12. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    The HotAir comments are priceless:

    “Newt Gingrich and honor? Now that is funny, I don’t care who you are.

    Just ask his first two wives about how he honored the commitment he made to them.”

    “He chickened out of Vietnam. I though he claimed to not have a fortune. he has no honor. What a creep.”

    “One reason to definitely not nominate Newt is not that he stands a good chance of losing to Obama in November, it’s that his “concession” speech afterward would be an untter embarrassment to the GOP and conservatives alike. If we’re lucky, he’ll go Howard Beale on us. If we’re not so fortunate, he’ll pull a Budd Dwyer(DO NOT Google that if you don’t know who I’m talking about, trust me!).”

  13. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    Stay home Grace please one less vote for Obama

  14. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    “I bet his now home state of Virginia will really go for him. Oops, he is not on the ballot there.”


  15. Grace says:

    Yeah that is right OwlPoop… I must be an anti-Mormom bigot because I don’t support the Massachusetts liberal,yeah right.

    I must be an anti-Mormon bigot because I Romney was a Democrat voting “indie” when I was busting my butt working to get conservatives elected.

    I must be an anti-Mormon bigot because I object to Romney’s past support for abortion and teen-age girls obtaining abortions without their parents consent.

    I must be an anti-Mormon bigot because I see Romneycare as a failed program and the template for Obamacare.

    You are the anti-conservative bigot who has nothing so you retort to the same BS tactics of the Democrats. I don’t like Obama so I must be a racist. I don’t like Romney so I must be a religious bigot.

    If you refuse to even examine what we conservatives are saying the facts we are presenting then not only do we have nothing to talk about, and you are hurting your Romney

  16. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    “What was my favorite moment from Newt’s non-concession concession speech? Was it…

    1.) When Newt cited to Gettysburg?

    2.) When Newt referred to himself in the 3rd person?

    3.) When Newt, who supposedly hates the liberal media, worked in a reference to the late Dean of Washington reporters David Broder?

    4.) When Newt mentioned 46 states left to go, despite not being on the ballot of two of them?

    5.) When Newt failed to congratulate the winner of the race, Mitt Romney?”

  17. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    A tip for you Grace

    When you say “we conservatives” everyone knows you’re a troll

    No actual conservative EVER says, “we conservatives”

    Please stay home in November, one less vote for Obama

  18. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    “He is a jackass, not a fighter. You win with grace and lose with grace. He is a pompous punk, and a useless donkey. Skunk vomit suits him.”


  19. Grace says:

    You guys don’t understand Romney’s dishonest campaigning has lost him his “clean-cut” image.

    Now Romney is just another scummy politician… no better than you view Newt.

    Imperfect as he is at least Newt has a history of working for conservative principles.

  20. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    “Well, what can you expect from a pig but a grunt. And what can you expect from this ego-driven disgrace than more douchebaggery.”

    The HotAir people are truly hilarious, kudos to all!

  21. Grace says:

    How can you look at the Ohio poll and say the race is between Newt and Romney.. Santorum’s % is withing the MOE.

  22. Grace says:

    Keep up your good work OWL — all you are doing is turning off voters for Romney and assuring an Obama re-election.

    Soros/KOS owes you a bonus or overtime pay.

  23. NewtGingrichIsAFlamingPyreOfOwlExcrement says:

    “Every other day a new Newt soundbyte comes out that reinforces his status as the Occupy candidate. Can we all stop pretending he is any more conservative than Romney?”


  24. Grace says:

    OWL — I’ve been voting for conservatives, working for conservative candidates and representing conservatives with “we conservatives” long before you were born.

    “We the people, We conservatives”

  25. Grace says:

    Time to work, I’ll leave you guys to continue turning off of the voters that Romney needs to attract.

  26. Michael2 says:

    Newt could defect to a foreign country, become ‘Leader’ there, and, then, declare war on the USA. Due to the gutting of DOD, he successfully leads invaders, captures DC, and delcares himself “President for Life”!

    You call it satire;
    I call it Reality TV!

  27. Romney is a fraud. He pretends to be a comservative but he is NOT. I am the Reagan conservative. If you doubt me, just ask Judy T Rex or Randystandy or Marymaryquite contrary. You Romneybots are nothing but lemmings being led off the cliff.

    To the Moon, Alice !

  28. mnw says:

    Until I saw the MO poll above, I hadn’t planned to vote in the MO GOP beauty contest.

    Now, however, I guess I better schlep around & get an absentee ballot, if there’s still time.

    I voted for Romney last time to stop McPain. (How did THAT work out, mnw?)

    This time, for the second POTUS election in a row, I’ll be voting for Romney again… because all the others suk even WORSE than Romney sux.

    I must be paying off some enormous karmic debt.

  29. TrueConservativesHateFreeEnterprise says:

    When does Callista cash out?

  30. Romney lied about me with his smear campaign. I on the other hand am a man of integrity. When I swore an oath before God and man to “love my wife in sickness and in health,” I meant every word (at the time). Times change, people change. It doesn’t matter what I do, it matters what I say. No one else can say what I say.

  31. Addisonst says:

    What has Mitt done campaign wise that was dishonest? Has he done anything other than mention Newt’s record?

    I know he disavowed his pac which was ridiculous. But what has been said in ads that was not correct about Newt?

  32. Bitterlaw says:

    There is only one test for conservatives- will you vote for Romney instead of Obama? That’s it. The entire election comes down to that.

  33. Addisonst says:

    btw, has it been definitively proven that Grace=Chek?

  34. SUSYQUE says:

    Please help me out:
    Last night someone posted something about DeMint apologizing for something. What was it?
    I appreciate Santorum’s comment: “Newt, you had your chance.” hmmmm chances.

  35. Phil says:

    So Newt only lost the female vote by 22%.

    Yep, nominate this guy for the GE. He’ll be dynomite with soccer moms. LOL

  36. Scott says:

    The 13% decrease in the FL GOP Primary turnout is cause for concern.As Dave would say,partycide is not pretty.
    On the economic front,ADP’s private payrolls’ increase in January was 170,000 compared to 325,000 in December.Also,yesterday,consumer confidence dipped although it was expected to rise.What is puzzling is what is driving the equities’ markets higher.The markets act like good economic news is breathtaking and bad economic news is a big yawn!

  37. jenny says:

    if conservatives stay home and allow obama to win again, they deserve high taxes and legal gay marriage in all fifty states.

  38. Phil says:


    sing it sister

  39. Scott says:

    Dave,please note that the Hawaii Poll was undertaken by Democrat Case’s private polling firm.(See Hawaiian Reporter August 31,2010 article about the Merriman River Group)

  40. SUSYQUE says:

    #37…Jenny…it’ll take awhile, but I think Newt/Paline’s followers will vote for whomever the nominee is. We all want ooo OUT!

  41. karl r rove says:

    I cannot imagine any conservative voting for Obama or staying home.

    Dole lost because the economy was good and — hello — Ross Perot dropped in again, taking 9% off the top.

    This is NOT 1996 all over again.

    The economy is bad. Very bad. For every person who stays home and hurts the Rs, Obama has 2-3 who will vote for the R because he failed to deliver.

  42. Bitterlaw says:

    Breaking News- Newt Gingrich divorces 3d wife and marries a man. Support for gay marriage soars among Evangelicals and true conservatives.

  43. DW says:

    Much was learned last night.

    1) Newt is a loser

    2) PPP and IA were trying hard to prop him up

    3) “Rockefeller Republican” is just a cheap $0.05 gumball machine troll. In fact, after reading some of those comments and analyzing the handwriting, it would seem that Rockefeller Republican=Chekote. But NOBODY anywhere was saying anything other than Newt got thumped last night, but here came RR trying to claim to be FOR Romney but saying the night was a failure because he didn’t get over 50%, a figure that polling suggested would not happen.

  44. As a self described “Wilsonian Progessive,” I clearly represent limited government.

  45. Bitterlaw says:

    DW – Today, you shall be favored as my favorite Evangelical.

  46. I thought Add was RR becuase they both said “mouth breathers”

  47. DW says:

    45…thanks! I will strive to live up to this honor.

  48. Bitterlaw says:

    No, the Crazy Old Prospector is Rock. He is pretending to be a ghost in order to drive us away from his mine.

  49. jenny says:

    Brad Pitt is on the Today Show. He’s so handsome.

    go mitt!

  50. DW says:

    48…what’s he mining? or maybe I don’t want to know.

  51. California will run out of cash by early March if the state does not take swift action to find $3.3 billion through payment delays and borrowing, according to a letter state Controller John Chiang sent to state lawmakers today


  52. who is hhr field correspondent ?

  53. DW says:

    51…why don’t they try a fund raiser with all those rich Hollywood celebs? They are hard leftists and loaded with cash.

  54. Eee Pee H says:

    Florida isn’t a true conservative state. They voted for Obama. and they voted for Romney.

    A bunch of liberty hating socialists, I tell ya!

  55. DW says:

    52…TimV is my guess

  56. SUSYQUE says:

    Deluge of ‘baggage’ ads helps sink Gingrich in Florida

    Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich saw the momentum of his South Carolina victory vanish in Florida, where he faced a more diverse electorate and an overwhelming blitz of negative advertising from rival Mitt Romney.
    Mr. Romney and his supporters used their war chests to fund ads that portrayed Mr. Gingrich as a lobbyist complicit in the foreclosure crisis, a candidate with too much personal “baggage” to beat President Obama and a callous opportunist who demeaned Hispanics.
    “The more voters got to know Newt and scratch the surface, the more concerns there were about him,” said Republican strategist Chris Ingram of Tampa, Fla. “When Romney started pointing that out, people started to think, ‘If all this dirt is coming out when Republicans are going at him, imagine what Obama will do.’”

  57. Bitterlaw says:

    Obviously, the rich are not paying their fair share in California.

  58. Eee Pee H says:

    Our website is Be John Galt

    You guys are just “Be Brigham Young”

  59. I think Tim V may be HHR Historian but I do NOT think he is HHR field correspondent. That might be Howard Dean ?

  60. Eee Pee H says:

    Do you folks knock on peoples doors while holding the book of mormon?

    Because we knock on peoples doors while holding the constitution!


  61. mnw says:

    Conservatives NEVER stay home– ever. But conservatives WILL vote for a candidate they hate (McPain), & then stop at that. Deny their energy & money.

    That’s Romney’s problem, altho conservatives don’t hate him– they are just cool toward him.

    Romney can address that via his veep pick, but… he won’t. I look for Romney to take a mini-me like Portman or Ayotte.

  62. eph, go back to the island of misfit toys. you have been banned here.

  63. Who is Matt Drudge ?

  64. Eee Pee H says:

    Who said I was EPH?

    I am impersonating him. Apparently I did too good of a job.

    I’m not EPH

  65. Barrett says:

    Good morning folks. Today I will be playing the part of Eee Pee H

  66. I can’t wait for MD to return and start kicking as$, he will take no prisoners. Better run while you can eph.

  67. Bobby says:

    I think Mitt could win a state by 50 and the media will still be saying he can’t win the nomination.

  68. you all get one and only 1 guess as to my identity. if you guess correctly, i will fess up. i will count only the very first guess.

  69. Bitterlaw says:

    I am not Eee Pee H. Give me some credit.

    Mnw- what is wrong with Kelly/Senator Ayotte?

  70. Tina says:

    We need to see more polling from the pollsters that do not have agenda, like PPP Drat. How did the 8 percent Romney win turn out PPP Drat?

  71. Bitterlaw says:

    If Romney had 90% of yesterday’s vote, the story would be “Why can’t Romney unify the GOP?”

  72. Barrett says:

    I told you guys I was Eee Pee H

  73. DW says:

    72…and Chek would say he has no shot against Obama because 10% hate him and will stay home.

  74. Diogenes says:

    I am so sorry Grace. Let me, as a thinking conservative, apologize to you and all your kind (apparently the minority in the party).

    I apologize for not crawling over broken glass in contrition for supporting a man who has lived an exemplary personal and professional life and worked hard to get elected as a Republican in one of the most Democratic states in the union. Instead, I should like you, blindly accept at face value the words of a philanderer who promises to take us to the moon (in more ways than one).

    Thank you for showing me the errors of my way.

  75. mnw says:


    I just don’t see her igniting the passions of the GOP conservative base. She’s OK.

  76. mnw says:

    Same with Portman, who is said to be on Romney’s short list.

  77. Rockefeller Republican says:

    DW, you lack comprehension skills. I said last night was a great night for Romney – but I’m not going to be to blind like you and others. Last eve, he had a golden opportunity to convey a message of conservative reform to reassure and coopt the right. He failed to do so – inexplicable!

    Now we see Romney’s troubles wih the right continue with these numbers today in OH and MO with TX and other southern states down the road..Romney should meet the conservative challenge head-on instead of skirting it.

    Have a great day everyone!

  78. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Portman is a non-starter for VP nominee. Boring and no guarantee he can carry Ohio – a state that is going to be very difficult for Romney – thanks to the antics of Kasich and extreme right wing GOP.

    Rubio showed himself a coward in FL. Plus a Tea Party leader said last night Rubio is ineligible because he like Obama wasn’t born here.

    McDonnell is the man! He has guts and been a great governor in a must-win state.

  79. SUSYQUE says:

    A Post from American spectator:

    Why Gingrich lost in FL:
    1. Lack of a “comprehensive strategy”
    2. Lack of resources
    3. Lack of organizations
    4. Poor debate performance
    To my surprise, Gingrich failed to get the ballot in VA, MO, TN. Is he giving up?

  80. Diogenes says:

    Newt calls Romney’s behavior incomprehensible:

    “During 1997, Ann Romney began experiencing severe numbness, fatigue, and other symptoms,[12] and just before Thanksgiving in 1998, she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.[14][18] Mitt Romney described watching her fail a series of neurological tests as the worst day of his life.[12] He later said: “I couldn’t operate without Ann. We’re a partnership. We’ve always been a partnership so her being healthy and our being able to be together is essential.”[14]”

    Newt: “What Romney did is pander to his wife and flip flop on his own urge to bail. I, as the true conservative, in the exact same situation, followed my heart (and my penis) and got the heck out of dodge. “

  81. Bitterlaw says:

    Mnw- If 4 more years of Obama doesn’t excite the base, they are idiots. I’m just sorry they will take us all down with them.

  82. SUSYQUE says:

    Where is Wes….we haven’t heard from him?

  83. Rockefeller Republican says:

    MN caucuses also next week could be won by Santorum since GOP there is very conservative.

    Paul could win ME caucuses next week.

    Going to be a long tough slog for Romney.

  84. SUSYQUE says:

    #82…Good point, Bitter!

  85. SoHope says:

    Not on TN either…haha

  86. Barrett says:

    I didn’t realize he wasn’t on TN’s ballot. That’s great!

  87. Robbie says:

    Yeah, Mittens!

    Even I can’t articulate a way Willard is not the nominee. He had a great win last night, but he has some major lifting to do and in short order. Maybe he ought to consider making the positive case for himself rather than offering 99% negative ads.

    Despite what the top notch political strategists who occupy HHR say, Mittens is far from a strong candidate. He’s a good candidate who can’t get out of his own way sometimes. Just look at what he said on CNN this morning.

    Mittens has major work to do with conservatives. He can start by offering a bolder tax reform policy much like what Huntsman offered. If he also took on too big to fail as Huntsman did, I think he’d be well on his way.

    If Romney doesn’t use February and March to convert conservatives, he’ll be in trouble the whole way. That was a period McCain threw away and never recovered.

    We’ll see if Dewey can get some momentum with conservatives.

  88. DW says:

    RR, my comprehension skills are sharp…very easy to comprehend trolls from non-trolls. Just like the others here who picked up on it too.

  89. Rockefeller Republican says:

    MO and TN could set up nicely for Little Ricky since Eye of Newt will not be a factor… all the more reason why Romney must directly reach out to conservatives and dispel the myth that he is not conservative.

  90. bio mom says:

    You probably have seen these already but here are the exit polls from Florida.

  91. Rockefeller Republican says:

    89: Ha! A typical non-response response from an intellectually insecure barmecide. Th usual m.o. for those who have no lives and as such post here… Label anyone who challenges them as a troll.

    It’s a tired, pathetic, intellectually-bereft, knee-jerk response.

    Find something interesting to offer instead of rote talking points.

  92. DW says:

    92…I scroll right past the other trolls like Chekote, Grace and Transparent Dem Troll, and now I scoll past your comments too.

  93. SUSYQUE says:

    In December 2011, after the group Iowans for Christian Leaders in Government requested that he sign their so-called “Marriage Vow”, Gingrich sent a lengthy written response. It included his pledge to “uphold personal fidelity to my spouse”.

    Perhaps Callista (his 7 year mistress) should have signed it. too.

  94. Barrett says:

    I really wanted to give Transparent Rockefeller Dem Troll the benefit of the doubt, but as you can see by what I now call him, he’s full of hot air.

  95. Wes says:

    I’m here, Susy. Recently I haven’t had any desire to post as much as I formerly did.

  96. Transparent Dem Troll says:

    RR is right, Romney is in deep trouble, and stands little chance of being able to defeat Obama in November. He risks the conservative base staying home and hurting the GOP down the ballot.

  97. Wes says:

    Transparent Dem Troll isn’t actually a troll. As his name implies, he’s a parody. He’s actually a well-respected regular.

  98. Barrett says:

    #98 – True, but very ironic

  99. SUSYQUE says:

    #96…Wes, I understand. Am glad you are still an observer. You have been through a lot and it does take time to heal.

  100. Transparent Dem Troll says:

    A parody?! How can I be a parody when I sit right here at the DNC blog troll center, and have Chekote in the cubicle to my left, and Grace to my right?

  101. Rockefeller Republican says:

    DW, you’re not hurting my feelings. I don’t care what you do. Your opinion is of no matter.

    I post common sense here and the senior trolls here like you dont like it.

  102. Tina says:

    Only if Jeb Bush had run, we would not be having these discussions…

  103. Transparent Dem Troll says:

    102…just ignore all these real trolls, as we are the only ones talking any sense here.

  104. DW says:

    Any predictions on the 1pm update of the Gallup tracking? It will take a full five days to capture the effect of FL, but I will say Mitt will be up by 2 points.

  105. Corey says:

    I believe in Transparent Dem Troll.

    There’s no way he can’t be real!

  106. Wes says:

    Mitt should definitely gain momentum off this, DW.

  107. Transparent Dem Troll says:

    107 – careful, flattery will get you everywhere! Now that I know you believe I am real, I am all energized to re-double my efforts! I will also get a bonus here at DNC troll center. Our contract stipulates a cash bonus for each blogger we get to believe in us.

  108. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Gallup Poll will either be a tie or have Romney +1.

    Romney must speak to conservatives ASAP – should not tarry! Tear the legs out from Newtie and Little Ricky.

    He should do this by making Steve Forbes tax reform his own and talking about conservative budget reforms and selected social issues.

    Let’s be blunt: Romney must stimulate the erogenous zones of conservatives to consummate the presidential contest.

    Failure to do so spells trouble for Romney in MN, MO, OH, and TX…

  109. jan says:

    Hopefully we see a lot more of the Romney smear machine against Obama and his Chicago machine.

  110. Transparent Dem Troll says:

    But I do appreciate all your kindness and support of my efforts as I strive to sow GOP discouragement, worry, and hopelessness for the fall elections. Its not an easy job, but someone has to do it.

  111. Corey says:

    If TDT were to be one of the usual bloggers here, I wonder who he would want to be…

  112. Robbie says:

    Mittens could go a long way towards solidifying the base if he would just offer some conservative policies. As I wrote, taxes would be a great place to start. His 59 point plan just isn’t going to cut with the holdouts. Either he brings the conservative base on board, or he follows the McCain route. Considering who his advisors are, I worry he’s going to be more like McCain and take the base for granted until it’s too late.

  113. Corey says:

    The base is already there. We have a general election to deal with now.

  114. Tina says:

    Hopefully, Romney is not afraid to smear the Obumbler, or aggressively counterattack the incompetent in chief.

    McAmnesty failed at this.

  115. Barrett says:

    #11 – Here’s my breakdown of those four states

    MN – screw this state. I hate the vikings
    MO – Doesn’t matter, Newt isnt on ballot
    OH – Not until super Tuesday. Mitt will probably win anyways
    TX – Not until April 3rd, who cares?

  116. Barrett says:

    #115 – He does need to offer more to the base. A more aggressive tax plan, perhaps?

  117. janz says:

    Good morning wes, how are things going?

  118. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Troll, while I respect you have your mission. We are different. I am the modern day Thomas Paine proffering common sense to my compatriots. Rather than discourage, I seek to remind my colleagues of the dangers posed by lunatics like Eye of Newt and Little Ricky and the far graver threat posed by Obama the usurper.

    My rule is to enjoy a victory for 15 mins then return to sober reflection and action to continue the mission.

  119. who is transparent dem troll ? jason ? md ?

  120. janz says:

    I think Romney’s ‘victory’ speech was pointing the way of his campaign more, which is to turn more of his focus in differentiating his vision from Obama’s.

  121. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – ask Newt if Romney knows how to fight.

  122. Wes says:

    Things are going the way they have been recently, Jan. Thanks for asking. How about you?

  123. SoHope says:

    I say he is bitter

  124. Transparent Dem Troll, Rockefeller Republican is a part of your DNC team, right ?

  125. Transparent Dem Troll says:

    122.who is BeJohn Newtgalt ? jason ? md ?

  126. Wes says:


    No. I know who he is, but I’ll leave it to him to reveal himself.

  127. SoHope says:

    You are bitter too, bejohn newtgalt

  128. TDT could be Bitter but bitter ususally calls chek, cheksux.

    are you any of the parody posters so ?

  129. jan says:

    Romney doesn’t have time to court the likes of Erick Erickson and some of these hypocritical Evangelical Christians. He’s got to set up a national general election campaign, raise hundreds of millions of dollars and fight the Obama and media smear machine Robbie.

    If conservatives want another 4 years of an unchecked Obama they can stay home. That’s this there option.

  130. Transparent Dem Troll says:

    127…no, he must be a free-lance troll. We only have here Grace and Chekote. But I like his strategy outlined in 121. I am going to mention it to my manager and see if they want to incorporate that into our collection of troll profiles.

  131. 130- No, that is incorrect.

  132. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Corey, both you and Barrett are kidding yourselves. Romney must be explicit in appeal to conervatives – he has yet to do so. MN, MO,OH, and TX pose real problems for him if he does not. Little Ricky could advail himself of those states.

    You can’t assume Romney has the base when FL voters polled yesterday – 41% said he wasn’t conservative enough. NOT GOOD!

    Until Romney addresses this explicitly, Newtie and Ricky will continue to make mischief.

  133. Corey says:

    Everybody, please briefly out yourselves, and then we can go back to drawing the curtain back down and having fun….

  134. Corey says:

    Oh go stifle yourself Rocky. Romney has the nomination sewn up. You know it, I know it, the American people know it.

  135. Wes says:

    Now Rock is schizophrenic. He used to preach moderation. Now Romney needs to go hard right. Make up your damn mind, Rock!

  136. SUSYQUE says:

    Whom wil Bachmann endorse? Most likely Santorum.

  137. Wes says:

    LisaB thinks Rock is AddisonSt, Corey.

  138. pitchaboy says:

    It is extremely worrisome that turnout dropped from 1.9 million in 2008 to 1.75 mil this time. The negative warfare between Gingrich and Romney, if it continues to depress indie turnout, will kill Romney in GE.

  139. Corey says:

    No, it’s not Add. I can always tell who Add is.

  140. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Many thanks to all for your continuing esteem and respect!

    Posting truth here is like standing nude in the warm brilliant sunshine and have hot maple syrup poured all over me…

  141. bio mom says:

    What Romney actually said on CNN this morning that has been immediately hit upon by the righty pundits (especially at NRO, which I am starting to seriously dislike). I thought this is what conservatives want!!

    , I’m in this race because I care about Americans. I’m not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I’ll fix it. I’m not concerned about the very rich, they’re doing just fine. I’m concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling and I’ll continue to take that message across the nation.

    O’BRIEN: All right. So I know I said last question, but I’ve got to ask you. You just said I’m not concerned about the very poor because they have a safety net. And I think there are lots of very poor Americans who are struggling who would say that sounds odd. Can you explain that?

    ROMNEY: Well, you had to finish the sentence, Soledad. I said I’m not concerned about the very poor that have the safety net, but if it has holes in it, I will repair them.

    O’BRIEN: Got it. OK.

    ROMNEY: The – the challenge right now – we will hear from the Democrat Party the plight of the poor, and – and there’s no question, it’s not good being poor and we have a safety net to help those that are very poor. But my campaign is focused on middle income Americans. My campaign – you can choose where to focus. You can focus on the rich. That’s not my focus. You can focus on the very poor. That’s not my focus. My focus is on middle income Americans, retirees living on Social Security, people who cannot find work, folks who have kids that are getting ready to go to college. That – these are the people who’ve been most badly hurt during the Obama years. We have a very ample safety net, and we can talk about whether it needs to be strengthened or whether there are holes in it. But we have food stamps, we have Medicaid, we have housing vouchers, we have programs to help the poor. But the middle income Americans, they’re the folks that are really struggling right now, and they need someone that can help get this economy going for them.

  142. Matt Drudge says:

    Well it’s time to take a victory lap for my help in de-railing FatToad’s campaign. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. 🙂

  143. Corey says:

    I don’t think a turnout drop is a big deal.

    In 2008, the GOP primary was a lot tighter and people had motivation to vote. This year it was considered a foregone conclusion the last several days. Florida Republicans still need to vote later in the year in the regular primary.

    Probably more overall interest anyway then with it being an open race and the Dems battling it out as well.

    That is no indication that in a general election, GOP turnout would not be high. It will be high for both sides in the general.

  144. DW says:

    132…this is right. This may sound strange coming from a hard-right conservative, but honestly, hard-right conservatives do not deserve to have the GOP nomination this time around. The reason is we simply do not have a credible hard-right conservative who is running. It would be the height of folly to pretend that someone like Newt was in fact a hard-right conservative so as to attempt to live out a fantasy that we are running a hard-right conservative against Obama. That strategy in the long run does more harm than good. Its time to rally around Romney, warts and all, to defeat Obama and then use the pressure of the GOP congress to keep Romney from reaching across the aisle.

  145. FreeMarketEntrepreneursShouldBeExecutedGoNewtGoLetsHaveCommunismInTheUnitedStates says:

    Give up our secret identities?


  146. Barrett says:

    I don’t think add is rock

    I think TDT may just be his own poster

    I’m convinced that Grace is Chekote, feel free to disagree on that one

    I was playing the part of Eee Pee H this morning

  147. Barrett says:

    #148 hits the nail on the head

  148. SUSYQUE says:

    Perhaps Romney want to get a few more states under his belt before he woos the so-called conservatives. We need to define what we mean when we say conservative. There are many levels of conservatism.

  149. jan says:

    Turnout was down b/c people don’t like the choices of candidates.This is pretty widespread among the Republican party voters who wish we had better option. It has nothing to do with the general election.

    Those who don’t like the primary candidate will come out and vote against Obama.

  150. Tina says:

    Seriously, NRO upset with those comments about the middle class?

  151. GF says:

    12- Nice shot, Newt!

    Good morning, HHR.

  152. Wes says:

    Well, we already know who the poster in 148 is.

  153. Corey says:

    The people who did vote in Florida said they were satisfied with the choices.

    People who don’t vote are more likely to never be satisfied anyway.

  154. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Wes, I am not saying “hard” right. Just right enough to appease and assuage concerns.

    Corey and others are kdding themselves if they think Romney’s work is done. No way! Not when 41% of FL primary voters say he is not conservative enough. If Romney doesn’t mitigate this concern now, it will keep alive Newt and Ricky’s campaigns. It wll be McCain deja vu all over again.

    C’mon Mitt throw the conervatives a bone then sew up nomination.

  155. Tina says:

    ??? does rival Bubu with the multiple handles.

  156. Robbie says:

    Got to love how Mitt stepped all over his win in less than 12 hours. This happened on CNN this morning.

    Romney says, “I’m not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs a repair , I’ll fix it. I’m not concerned about the very rich…. I’m concerned about the very heart of America, the 90-95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling.”

  157. Corey says:

    41% of GOP primary voters would probably say Genghis Khan was not conservative enough.

  158. SUSYQUE says:

    #147 DW…salient points, I agree!

  159. FreeMarketEntrepreneursShouldBeExecutedGoNewtGoLetsHaveCommunismInTheUnitedStates says:

    Mitt can’t please dumbfuqqs like Erickson et al why even try?

  160. Corey says:

    How did Mitt step in it?

    The “very poor” are not exactly a large part of the GOP primary electorate and are unlikely to vote Republican in November anyway.

    He is trying to appeal to the Middle Class. That is how one wins.

  161. pitchaboy says:

    I disagree. If the independent turnout is depressed by negative campaigning which is what Obama will aim to do as he will lose the indies, it becomes a base election. His base will be kicked out by the unions; if Romney does not connect with the right wing, he is done like Mccain. Romney depends on a good turnout from center right and especially the center.

  162. Tina says:

    Heart of America = middle class, of which 90 to 95 percent are struggling.

    I think that is a fair statement.

  163. Wes says:

    In a way, Tina. Every few months, he changes handles.

  164. Rockefeller Republican says:

    #156, Corey: Please back that up with an exit poll…becuase CNN showed exits last that fully 39% of FL GOP voters wanted someone else to get in the race. Far from being sated, many GOP voters are still looking.

    So stop making stuff up!

  165. FreeMarketEntrepreneursShouldBeExecutedGoNewtGoLetsHaveCommunismInTheUnitedStates says:

    Chr*st everyone knew what he meant Robbie

  166. DW says:

    I can see why FL vote was down over 2008 and it doesn’t concern me. It was increasingly evident that Mitt was going to walk away with it, so if you are too busy to take the time to go vote, why bother…but if you put Obama on the ballot and someone who can defeat him…then people will crawl over broken glass or wait 3 hours in line.

  167. Corey says:

    Or are people upset because he said he would keep in place a “safety net” for the very poor?

    You can never know what will set people off these days.

  168. SUSYQUE says:

    #159…if you read further than, “I am not concerned about the poor”
    he said nothing that would offend anyone. Anyone can take a portion of a sentence and twist it.

  169. Tina says:

    Middle class is defined as those whose incomes are below $200k.

    Job losses.

    Declining income/wages.

    Housing values down.

  170. Matt Drudge says:

    Grace IS Chekote, I have that on deep background.

  171. Wes says:

    Widdle Wobbie is still pining over Jeb, Corey. That explains his attempt to tear Romney down.

  172. Tina says:

    My #165 is what I take from the CNN interview. It is evident that some are just trolling.

  173. Matt Drudge says:

    Mitt cares about the very poor. He wants their vote too.

  174. FreeMarketEntrepreneursShouldBeExecutedGoNewtGoLetsHaveCommunismInTheUnitedStates says:

    Romney can’t please these people and its a mistake to try he needs to smash FatToad and Sanctimonious and go from there there are always moving goalposts when they criticize Mitt

  175. DrJay says:

    Gallup… Obama’s average approval 44% for 2011

    Some notables:

    38.7% New Hampshire
    40.4% Colorado
    41.3% Nevada
    42.1% Ohio
    43.6% Florida
    43.7% North Carolina
    44.5% Virginia

  176. Wes says:

    Have you found a limit for handle characters yet, MFG?

  177. bio mom says:

    What I find most dismaying is the response of the conservative pundits to this. It is as if they are waiting to pounce in order to discredit Romney. Jonah Goldberg and Jim Gehraty from NRO were tweating away about the horrible gaffe and see what a weak politician Romney is etc. In fact, the lefty tweeters were better about it. The conservative writers and commenters pretend they are not in the Gingrich camp but obviously they are. I am finding fewer and fewer places to blog and to read these days.

  178. Matt Drudge says:

    All Mitt was saying is that HIS focus would be on helping the middle class.

  179. SUSYQUE says:

    Goodness! Too many “what ifs” being expressed about Romney.
    Well, how about this one: WHAT IF OOO WINS THE 2012 ELECTION!
    Focus on taking 000 down!

  180. Corey says:

    As a matter of principle, I want a Republican to talk about caring about the poor, although it is clear that Romney does and the full context of that quote makes it clear. I also do not see why it would be an example of “stepping in it” insofar as turning off a lot of voters who might consider him.

  181. Robbie says:

    Turnout and enthusiam matter greatly. Just ask George W Bush in 2004. The Pew poll issued the day before the election noted that enthusiasm FOR Bush was the highest for any choice since Reagan since 1984.

    It was that enthusiasm FOR Bush that led to the amazing turnout that won Ohio and other close states. Had voters not been FOR Bush, he would have lost. That was the problem Kerry had in 2004. His voters were just anti-Bush, not so much FOR Kerry.

    Romney, at this point, does not have the base in tow because he’s not given any reason to be FOR him. He’s offered no bold agenda, especially on taxes. He’s just tried to make himself palatable to the middle in the general election.

    If he can generate some enthusiam for himself during February and March, he’ll have the base in a strong way. If he continues the play it safe route, he’ll end up like McCain.

  182. Wes says:

    Susy has a very salient point in 182.

  183. Tina says:

    He needs to focus on the middle class, he is right to emphasize them over the poor.

  184. Tina says:

    Yes, he needs his base, but he also needs to attract us indies, libertarians, etc.

  185. Corey says:

    It’s a myth to say that McCain did not try to play to the base. Was Sarah Palin not supposed to please them?

  186. DW says:

    Well, at least Romney didn’t say something like “White folk’s greed runs a world in need” like Obama did.

  187. Tina says:

    NRO is funny, when are they going to bring out Obi-Wan, Little Jedi, and the other sock puppets.

    Is Hush and Pawn still going to be in Fig Newton’s camp today?

  188. Todd McCain says:

    I love Mitt, but he has got to stop making these wealth gaffes:

    1. 375,000 USD isnt a lot of money
    2. I like firing people
    3. Im not concerned about very poor people

    Each and every one of these comments has been taken out of context, however that’s politics and every one of these comments will be in an Obama Ad.

    Come on, Mitt! You are too smart of this.

  189. Tina says:

    Is = Are

  190. Todd McCain says:


  191. Corey says:

    You can make anything you want look bad Todd if you deliberately remove the context.

    They are going to do that to any candidate. There is no use fretting about it.

  192. DW says:

    Obama will be the greatest energizer of the GOP base that there ever was. Why else would the best matchup poll always be Obama vs. Generic Republican?

  193. jan says:

    NRO is pro-Romney. They just like to jump on foolishness like any beltway pundit does.

  194. Todd McCain says:


    Im all for Mitt. Have been for a while, but I want him to think smart.

  195. Robbie says:

    174.Widdle Wobbie is still pining over Jeb, Corey. That explains his attempt to tear Romney down.

    Comment by Wes — February 1, 2012 @ 11:19 am

    The little boy who has nothing to offer but personal attacks. I’m not pining away for anyone anymore. I’m hoping your hero, the android named Willard, can generate some enthusiasm that will help him win in November.

    Keep telling yourself everything’s peachy with Mitt. Keep telling yourself Obama has no chance even though his polling has greatly improved over the last month. Keep telling yourself the base will be there simply because they hate Obama.

    This is the same stuff I heard in March of 2008 when I wrote multiple times McCain was falling down on the job. Romney’s got two to three months to generate some real enthusiasm with the base. He needs to make that priority number one.

  196. FreeMarketEntrepreneursShouldBeExecutedGoNewtGoLetsHaveCommunismInTheUnitedStates says:

    I doubt its infinite Wes I don’t want to push it much further than this

  197. Corey says:

    I think in the months ahead there will be a lot done to attempt to “humanize” Mitt, focusing on his family and personal story, etc.

    He’ll do soft news interviews and probably walk on Saturday Night Live a time or two, and all that will go viral.

    It’s not an ideological thing, but all that will help in pushing up his positives and will have people more “enthused” about supporting him.

    But the bottom line, nine months out, is that there are a ton of people extremely motivated to vote out Obama and that is a very good position to start off with politically.

    The whole issue of “right track/wrong track” is dramatically worse for the incumbent than it was for GWB in 2004, and thus it will be a lot easier to make the race a referendum on Obama’s performance.

  198. SUSYQUE says:

    Will the religious conservatives give up on Newt?
    Don’t Count Out Santorum in the Coming Conservative Primary

    The answer to the first question is obvious. Though some right-wingers may not be able to reconcile themselves to Romney, after a few more primary wins for him, most conservatives will start getting on Mitt’s bandwagon in order to prevent Barack Obama’s re-election. The answer to the second is not so obvious. Though Newt Gingrich claimed Florida demonstrated that the GOP battle is now a two-person race, the lopsided margin in a state that only Gingrich seriously contested will not inspire much confidence in the former speaker’s standing as the leading “not Romney.” Though Rick Santorum finished far behind him in Florida, the weird and graceless manner with which Gingrich did not concede after losing combined with the wave of sympathy for Santorum due to his refusal to join the Florida mudslinging and his daughter’s illness may make the former Pennsylvania senator the more likely conservative standard bearer going forward.

  199. Robbie says:

    188.It’s a myth to say that McCain did not try to play to the base. Was Sarah Palin not supposed to please them?

    Comment by Corey — February 1, 2012 @ 11:24 am

    He picked Palin because he had failed to generate enthusiasm with the base. She was a Hail Mary pass that was interecepted. Had McCain locked up the base early on in the process, Palin would never have been picked.

  200. Chekote says:


    Romney is not going to generate any enthusiam. He is hated more than ever.

  201. FreeMarketEntrepreneursShouldBeExecutedGoNewtGoLetsHaveCommunismInTheUnitedStates says:

    Well then the base needs to grow the Fuqq up then Robbie Mitt or obama pick one I’m tired of everyone shrieking about how we have to kiss conservatives asses

  202. Chekote says:


    ANd Romney thiks that getting Rubio on the ticket will get the base motivated. That’s the plan… but more and more people are waking up to the fact that the GOP establishment has no interest in less government.. we may get a third party.

  203. Corey says:

    Robbie, you are entitled to your opinions, and I have never called you a “troll” but it is quite clear you will never be satisfied with anything.

    For months leading up to the 2010 midterms, you talked over and over about how bad those would turn out for Republicans. That clearly did not turn out to be the case.

  204. Robbie says:


    You could have said the same thing in 2008. Saying the base needs to grow up is not a plan to inspire it. If Mitt can generate enthusiasm for himself, he’ll be fine. If not, just hating Obama won’t be enough.

  205. Matt Drudge says:

    robbie is a “concern troll”

  206. Robbie says:

    206.Robbie, you are entitled to your opinions, and I have never called you a “troll” but it is quite clear you will never be satisfied with anything.

    For months leading up to the 2010 midterms, you talked over and over about how bad those would turn out for Republicans. That clearly did not turn out to be the case.

    Comment by Corey — February 1, 2012 @ 11:33 am

    That’s a lie and you know it. I was as bullish anyone here about 2010 with the exception of ANgle and COD. All along, I predicted Republicans would win 45 or more seats in the House and predicted they would win 6 or so seats in the Senate.

    I was very optimistic about 2010 almost from the start of 2009. You need to do better research if you’re going to attack me. I was a big supporter of Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Pat Toomey, and Ron Johnson.

  207. FreeMarketEntrepreneursShouldBeExecutedGoNewtGoLetsHaveCommunismInTheUnitedStates says:


    They can pick Mitt or obama


  208. Corey says:

    The base turned out for McCain. The problem was that the other base was very motivated as well (and may not be as much this time for a variety of reasons) but especially because the voters in the middle decided that a change needed to be made.

    This time, those are the people we can more realistically win over.

    The “base” is going to vote for Romney. Don’t let the agenda-driven media get in your head.

  209. jan says:

    So according to Robbie Romney should devote valuable time and resources to courting the “base” instead of fighting the election against Obama and appealing to independent voters?

    Yes that’s the way to defeat Obama.

  210. jan says:

    The navel gazing and pettiness of so of these co-called conservative is amazing, they would deserve another Obama second term if it wasn’t so damaging to this country.

  211. Corey says:

    Robbie, in 2010, I remember you and marc downplaying Republican chances on a nearly daily basis.

    And I was telling the majority of people here that they were being overly optimistic but the two of you were clearly on a theme of doom and gloom then.

    If anyone here remembers that differently than I do, they can chime in.

  212. Robbie says:

    I suppose these days a concerned troll is anyone who doesn’t think Mitt is awesome and destined for Mt. Rushmore. I was called the same things in 2008 when I said McCain was done.

    I was ridiculed for not believing Polaris when he said the poll were all wrong. I was ridiculed when I said McCain wasn’t surging at the end. I was ridiculed for saying in March 2008 McCain and Republicans faced a 1932/1980 style wipeout if they didn’t get their act together.

    Right now, I believe Romney will lose a close election because he’s not offering an affirmative case for himself. If he can inspire the base with a bold tax proposal, he can turn it around and help down ballot as well.

  213. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Mitt should have lead his comments with “Helping the middle class is #1 priority..” and NOT “I don’t care about the poor…” That goes up there with “I like to fire people..” Imagine the montage Osamabama and his stooges will craft with voluminous ads..

    We know it’s bs here but the masses – especially those on the dole – will vote en masse for the usurper.

    Romney is a diamond in the rough – but he has to get past his inartful responses and get out of his own way…

    If not he is courting disaster for the general.

  214. Robbie says:

    214.Robbie, in 2010, I remember you and marc downplaying Republican chances on a nearly daily basis.

    And I was telling the majority of people here that they were being overly optimistic but the two of you were clearly on a theme of doom and gloom then.

    If anyone here remembers that differently than I do, they can chime in.

    Comment by Corey — February 1, 2012 @ 11:41 am

    That’s just a load of crap. Other than Angle and COD, I was very optimistic. Keep trying, my friend.

  215. Chekote says:

    Damaging to the country?? It seems to me that George W. Bush was pretty damaging. Let’s see. Financial meltdown. Tanking stock market. TARP and auto bailouts. Tanking housing prices. This is the REPUBLICAN record. The big Obama screw up was Obamacare and Romney can’t take advantage of that.

  216. Corey says:

    Just so we are clear…

    Are people saying Romney made a mistake because he said he did not care as much about the poor and that is not a good way to reach out beyond his base?

    Or are they upset because he said he would keep or “fix” a safety net for the poor and that’s not reaching out to the base?

  217. Robbie says:

    212.So according to Robbie Romney should devote valuable time and resources to courting the “base” instead of fighting the election against Obama and appealing to independent voters?

    Yes that’s the way to defeat Obama.

    Comment by jan — February 1, 2012 @ 11:39 am

    Who said courting the base and independents voters are not the same thing? If he offers bold policy on tax and entitlements, that will play well with the Independents. Did you not see the 2010 results? Doing that, on its own, draws a huge contrast with Obama.

  218. Rockefeller Republican says:

    #215: Amen! Testify! The real trolls here are those who automatically label a troll anyone who disagrees with them. Examples, Bitter, MD, Corey, DW, So, Tina, lisab, etc.

    They are the trolls – treat them thusly!

  219. Corey says:

    Romney is now beginning nine months of a de-facto/actual general election campaign and once all these primary contests either slow down or end entirely, there are going to be a lot of gaps and he will need to find ways to make news.

    I think there will be a lot more specific policy stuff rolled out as we move along.

    His campaign knows what they are doing. They would not be in the position they are today if they did not.

    And while nobody in politics is error-free, Romney has proven himself to be a strong, effective, and resillient candidate. He would not be in the strong position he is today if he were not.

  220. Matt Drudge says:

    lisab may be trollish at times but she has hooker boots, what you got rock ?

  221. Rockefeller Republican says:

    #223: I got game, mo-fo. lisab is a liar.

  222. lisab says:

    GOLAN HEIGHTS — Surveying the live minefields, cratered roads and mortar-pocked concrete buildings along the border here between Syria and Israel, it is hard not to be reminded of the historic and monumental disappointment President Obama has been.

    When he was campaigning to become the most powerful man in the last standing superpower on Earth, he spoke passionately about changing the world, restoring America’s greatness and bringing more peace and fairness to everyone.

    In both foreign and domestic matters, Mr. Obama had unique credibility to change things as few presidents ever had.

    Despite his background as a liberal street organizer, he campaigned on tax cuts and personal responsibility and preached that the government simply cannot be the answer to every problem. Republicans would have no choice but to go along with an agenda to shrink the tax burden and get the federal government out of our everyday lives.

    Instead, Mr. Obama has devoted his administration to raising taxes, adding to the byzantine structure of the federal government, and has created a whole new massive bureaucracy he claims really will cure our every little boo-boo.

  223. Wes says:

    Matt Drudge=AddisonSt?

  224. Wes says:

    When the hell did Chekote become a part of the GOP base?

  225. SoHope says:

    The same day you bacame the republican establishment, wes.

    It’s not supposed to make sense. Just roll with it.

  226. Phil says:

    Chekote part of the Republican base.

    Yeah, I have trouble with that one too. LOL

  227. J T says:

    Robbie, Marc and Chekote are concern trolls.

    Robbie and Marc were huge gloomers in 2010, Corey is right on that fact.

  228. DW says:

    A troll is someone who will be voting for Obama in the fall, but pretends to be a Republican or even a conservative. They pretend to be gravely concerned about the prospects of the GOP, and they tend to root for the candidate least likely to give Obama a challenge, but most apt to challenge for the nomination. Anyone who roots for Romney, the trolls accuse of being Romney worshippers. If the trolls pretend to root for Romney, they expose every small flaw or call “mistakes” things that nobody, even on the left, are calling mistakes. The general goal is to discourage, dishearten, spread hopelessness, and minimize involvement and donations.

    I think we all know who the trolls are here.

  229. lisab says:

    “btw, has it been definitively proven that Grace=Chek?”

    as much as it has been proved

    addisonst = rockefeller republican

    there is a reason they call you ficus

  230. J T says:

    One big fact verifies that Chekote is a DNC troll.

    She is a gay activist, but supports Anti Gay Marriagew Newt?

  231. J T says:

    Grace is chekote for sure, and Bonnacaruso is every other handle.

    Add is not rock

  232. lisab says:

    “The economy is bad. Very bad. For every person who stays home and hurts the Rs, Obama has 2-3 who will vote for the R because he failed to deliver.”

    it is

    but not so bad in virginia

  233. J T says:

    Big shake up in FL with the new map.

    Hasner to run in West’s old district
    Rooney in the new 17th
    West in the new 18th

    Good to see the FL GOP play like a united team

  234. SoHope says:

    Hey rock, where are you from?

  235. lisab says:

    “Add is not rock”

    they got caught using the same words in an unguarded moment

    the ficus is exposed

  236. J T says:

    Lisa, Obama only won Va in 2008, because of a white crossover vote.

    He does not get enough of the white vote there if the economy stinks

  237. Wes says:

    That should allay all the conspiracists who think the FLGOP was trying to railroad West out of his seat, J T. If memory serves, Hasner is Jewish. That should help him in that district.

  238. Corey says:

    Hasner, who is Jewish, may be the one Republican that can win that district in FL.

    Would be great of course to have at least 2 Jewish Republicans in Congress.

    I suppose Connie Mack still faces a primary matchup with George LeMieux for now, but Mack is the heavy favorite.

    He really went all out for Mitt Romney too. Surprising to see someone running statewide go out on a limb like that during a divided Presidential primary like that, but it was great for me to see Mack out there like he was.

  239. J T says:

    Wes and Phil, if the UE number goes up even slightly Friday, would it be a good idea by the RNC, Romney and the right to cordinate a full out media blitz to remind the voters that it did go up?

  240. jan says:

    Let me come to the defense of my friend marc. He is not a gloomer. His observations are what is reality. He calls out Republicans where they need to be and praises them accordingly. It is unfair to try to lump him in with Chekote.

  241. Matt Drudge says:

    add is NOT drudge, sorry wes. I will give you one hint AND allow you one more guess wes.

    here is the hint: drudge and be john newtgalt are THE SAME poster. I wll only accept guesses from wes and only one more guess.

  242. J T says:

    Corey, there is only one GOP Jew in Congress? Cantor only?

    Wow, back in the day we had Norm Coleman, Boschwitz, Gilman, Specter, Javitz etc….

  243. Wes says:

    As Lisa pointed out to you, J T, the Virginia economy doesn’t suck. NOVA–where Obama must win big to have any prayer–has done extremely well the last few years, and McDonnell has been a wise steward of the local economy. It seems to me the economic argument against Obama is mitigated to a degree in the Old Dominion because of that. Not saying Romney can’t win, but I don’t think attacking Obama purely on the economy will hurt the President there.

  244. Bitterlaw says:

    Romney is not going to generate any enthusiam. He is hated more than ever.

    Comment by Chekote — February 1, 2012 @ 11:31 am

    Cheksux thinks that if she hates Romney, everybody hates Romney.

  245. J T says:

    Jan, are you the original Jan? or is that Janz who I much respect?

  246. J T says:

    I still believe many Republicans in Va, who crossed over for Obama in 2008, will come home due to social Issues also

  247. SUSYQUE says:

    Rush is on:
    First words….what are we going to do?
    Answer focus on ooo!
    *record of failures
    *indefensible (what he cant defend)

  248. Corey says:

    Only 1 GOP Jew in Congress. Nine short of a minyan.

  249. DW says:

    Matt Drudge here is TimV

  250. J T says:

    Josh Mandel is raising $$$ at a good clip in Ohio Corey

  251. Wes says:

    From 2003 to 2009, there were three Jewish Republicans in Congress, J T: Arlen Specter, Eric Cantor, and Norm Coleman. Coleman was robbed of his seat, and Specter became a turncoat, leaving only Cantor as the GOP’s Jewish contingent in Congress. Maybe Coleman can avenge his theft in 2014 though.

  252. Wes says:

    Jan is the new Jan, J T. Janz is our beloved original Jan.

  253. J T says:

    I have never once seen Marc, say one positive thing about the GOP here. He hates the Tea party with a passion, due to Gay Rights also.

  254. Corey says:

    Outside chance that Eph gets elected to Congress as a write-in this year?

    Yeah, forget that.

  255. J T says:

    255. Thanks Wes

  256. lisab says:

    “Our website is Be John Galt”

    oh, another pr-abortion website

  257. Wes says:

    It’s ironic the GOP has more black representation than Jewish representation in Congress. Only one Republican of Asian descent in Congress too. Interesting.

  258. Corey says:

    Lot more black people than Jewish people out there…

    Oh for the days when Sammy Davis Jr. could have run for Congress!

  259. J T says:

    Wes, GOP Jewish senators of all time have been:

    1. Boschwitz
    2. Coleman
    3. Specter

    Any others

  260. Tina says:

    I also see very similar word choices between Add and RubeRock.

  261. J T says:



    Don Cornelius

  262. Corey says:

    Chic Hecht of Nevada was Jewish.I believe Jacob Javitz was mentioned. There are probably others.

  263. Corey says:

    In the more recent era, there was also Warren Rudman of NH who was a Jewish Republican.

  264. Matt Drudge says:

    and if you saw some of his posts at bjg, ruberock was very in your face and insulting to justrand. add can be that way sometimes. rocky seems to lack add’s humor though

  265. DW says:

    There are probably others.

    Comment by Corey — February 1, 2012 @ 12:20 pm


    There were others. Moe, Larry, and Curly were all Jews.

  266. jan says:

    Bill Green

  267. Wes says:

    You are aware although Sammy Davis, Jr, became a Republican, he was a Jesse Jackson supporter, I hope, Corey?

  268. Matt Drudge says:

    252- as i said, i’m only accepting guesses from wes.

  269. jan says:

    JT do you believe that the overall the Tea party influence has been positive for Republicans running for election?

  270. Bitterlaw says:

    Jews drive minivans? It must be what the Mid-Western tribes do.

  271. Wes says:

    Shemp was also Jewish, DW.


  273. Corey says:

    Did Don Cornelius just die? I would have guessed he did a few years ago.

  274. lisab says:

    “I also see very similar word choices between Add and RubeRock.”

    two rude a-holes,

    who both hate evangelicals and soc-cons because they believe in god


    who both do their best to point out what they think are the weaknesses of romney?

    even if not the same poster they may as well be

  275. Bitterlaw says:

    Shemp was a terrible Stooge. He was almost as bad as Joe.

  276. Wes says:

    No one can top Curly, Bitter.

  277. J T says:

    Don C committed suicide per reports

  278. J T says:

    I agree Wes, I will only watch curly shorts

  279. Bitterlaw says:

    Ssssssshhhhhhhh. Lisab just admitted that Evangelicals believe in God. That undercuts her heathen argument. Just file it away for later and don’t bring attention to it.

  280. lisab says:

    “Now Rock is schizophrenic. He used to preach moderation. Now Romney needs to go hard right. Make up your damn mind, Rock!”

    exactly …

    he is no romney supporter

    never has been

  281. Corey says:

    He killed himself?

    Please forgive me, but did he jump in front of a Soul Train?

    I know, Im a horrible person.

  282. J T says:

    Judah Benjamin, The Confederate Attorney General and US Senator from La, was Jewish. He and Jefferson Davis were tight

  283. lisab says:

    heathens can believe in a god(s)

    they just are not christians

  284. Bitterlaw says:

    Curly was the embodiment of the Stooge. However, I am also partial to the comic mastery of the Stooge from Philadelphia, Larry.

  285. J T says:

    I believe shemp, Moe and Curly were brothers in real life

  286. Wes says:

    Sam Olens–the current GA AG–is a Jewish Republican. I believe he’s the first Jew to occupy that office too.

  287. Bitterlaw says:

    Damn it. Who told lisab what I posted? Didn’t you read the “Ssshhhhhh?”

  288. Corey says:

    I belive Sam Olens is the first Jewish Republican to win statewide in the South.

    Back later.

  289. J T says:

    Larry Fine was the master of Dead pan comedy. The best is when he was not even involved in a skirmish between Moe and Curly, but Moe would slap him silly anyways

  290. Bitterlaw says:

    Don Cornelius just didn’t have teh funk anymore. When you lose the funk, why go on?

  291. Wes says:

    They were, J T:

    Jerome Horwitz (Curly)
    Moses Horwitz (Moe)
    Samuel Horwitz (Shemp)

  292. DW says:

    Larry was always my personal favorite Stooge. Of course everyone should know the answer to the trick question…

    …did Shemp replace Curly or did Curly replace Shemp?

  293. J T says:

    Right, Olens is the Ga AG. But benjamin was the first Jew elected to the senate in the south before the civil war

  294. DW says:

    396…and Louis Feinberg was Larry Fine.

  295. J T says:

    My favorite Stooge short of all time, is when they deliver Ice with a Horse Cart.

  296. Wes says:

    The answer is both, DW. Initially Shemp was to be the third Stooge, but his wife balked at the idea. Curly came on as his replacement. Later, after Curly had his stroke and couldn’t continue, Shemp came on as the third Stooge and would continue in that role till his own death a few years later when Joe replaced him.

  297. Rockefeller Republican says:

    lisab with more lies…please back up your bs.

  298. DW says:

    My favorite Larry moment in the final episode with Curly, when the professor was trying to make gentlemen out of them…Larry is asked to read a children’s story…so he begins:

    Larry: Oh see the little cat. Does the cat have chickens?

    Professor: That’s kittens. A cat does NOT have chickens.

    Larry: Oh yeah? Well we had a cat once that got into the chicken house, and THAT cat had CHICKENS!

  299. Grace says:

    jenny says:
    February 1, 2012 at 9:12 am
    Brad Pitt is on the Today Show. He’s so handsome.

    go mitt!

    Wow. It took some time dude but now I understand your handle.

  300. Rockefeller Republican says:

    I support Romney but I am no blind worshipper like Corey. No Philistine here can contravene my position.

  301. lisab says:

    actually the jury is still out on evangelicals that support santorum

    but newt supporters are definitely all hypocrites

  302. SUSYQUE says:

    Rush Linbaugh defines the conservative movement. Notice he says nothing about the religious right.
    Rush has been married 4 times.

    Defining the conservative movement
    Limbaugh wrote in an op-ed piece in The Wall Street Journal in 2005:
    • I love being a conservative. We conservatives are proud of our philosophy. Unlike our liberal friends, who are constantly looking for new words to conceal their true beliefs and are in a perpetual state of reinvention, we conservatives are unapologetic about our ideals.
    • We are confident in our principles and energetic about openly advancing them. We believe in individual liberty, limited government, capitalism, the rule of law, faith, a color-blindsociety and national security.
    • We support school choice, enterprise zones, tax cuts, welfare reform, faith-based initiatives, political speech, homeowner rights and the War on Terrorism.
    • And at our core we embrace and celebrate the most magnificent governing document ever ratified by any nation—the U.S. Constitution. Along with the Declaration of Independence, which recognizes our God-given natural right to be free, it is the foundation on which our government is built and has enabled us to flourish as a people.
    • We conservatives are never stronger than when we are advancing our principles.

  303. Tim says:

    He’s a nice fellow, too…….

  304. Rockefeller Republican says:

    lisab you lie all the time! you are without honor & credibility.

  305. Polaris says:

    If Romney is going to be the nominee (and the only way somneone other than him will be the nominee now starts with, “Little Green Aliens swoop down from space….”), he has GOT to learn some message discipline and he has GOT to learn something that Gingrich already knows: The press is NOT your friend.

    I have no real problem with what Romney said, but that is not what is widely being reported and taken at fact outside the political sphere. Essentially it’s all over the press and internet today, that Romney hates poor people. True or not that is the message that Romney is being tagged with by the MSM because of his stupid comment.


  306. lisab says:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama on Wednesday called on Congress to approve a $5 billion to $10 billion effort to help U.S. homeowners refinance as part of a wider package of proposals to shore up the depressed housing market.

    Obama had sketched out the proposals in his State of the Union address last week, including a tax on banks to pay for the plan that Republicans quickly rejected.

    The White House offered more details on Wednesday ahead of a speech by Obama to expand on his initiative, which some Republicans have derided as an election-year ploy.

    Nearly 11 million Americans are underwater on their mortgages, meaning they owe more than their homes are worth. Millions more have lost homes to repossession in states that will be up for grabs in 2012.

  307. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Well said, Polaris! Expect to be attacked by the Philistines calling you a troll.

  308. Mitt Romney 's hired help says:

    My boss isn’t concerned about me and would love to fire me at the drop of a hat, but at least he’s electable right?

  309. Glenn Beckerman says:

    I’m half Jewish and 1/2 Mormon. I’m rich but I can eat pork, as long as it’s kosher pork.

  310. DW says:

    301 is correct. My favorite episode is Disorder in the Court.

    Curly trying to take the oath was comedy at its best.

    Judge: Take off your hat!

    [Curly takes off hat, hold in right hand while holding cane in left hand]

    Court Clerk: Put your left hand here [on Bible]

    [Curly puts hat back on, moves cane to right hand, puts left hand on Bible]

    Court Clerk: Now raise your right hand.

    [Curly raises right hand, but holding cane]

    Judge: PLEASE take off your hat!

    cycle repeats three times, with the judge and clerk getting more and more frustrated, while Curly cannot figure out what’s going on.

    Finally when Curly makes into the witness stand, but cannot understand any of the jargon, finally slams his hand down on the armrests and declares “IS EVERYONE DUMB?”

  311. The Poor says:

    well, at least romney is honest, he doesn’t care about us.

  312. jan says:

    PPP Ohio:

    Obama- 49%

    “The race in Ohio is going to get closer because there are so many more undecided Republicans than Democrats,” PPP pollster Tom Jensen wrote in a email to TPM. “But it does look like Obama’s chances at matching his 3-4 point victory in the state from 2008 are pretty good right now. John Kasich [Ohio’s Gov. and chief proponent of SB 5] has really hurt the Republican brand in the state and the economy’s getting better. Romney’s not popular enough to overcome those two factors if they persist through November.”

    Obama’s approval in Ohio is now locked at a near majority of 48, while Romney has run into problems with general election voters there. Besides the negative 28 – 56 split on Romney’s favorability, fellow Republicans view him positively by a mere seven point margin, and independent voters are well down at 30 – 53.

    Obama wins independent voters by five points, and while Republicans aren’t ready to completely support Romney just yet, he takes eighty percent of them in general election matchup. That’s expected during a contested primary, as PPP’s polling of the Republican field in Ohio actually showed former House Speaker Newt Gingrich with a one point lead in a GOP trial heat, so Republican support would likely climb should Romney become of the nominee.

  313. SUSYQUE says:

    I sent this e-mail to Rush Limbaugh I signed up for membership, just for that reason.

    Hi Rush, you are right about Santorum…so why the big push for Newt by religious conservatives? Mitt is a man who can take it to obama…that’s who we need to focus on. We are all together on that….. Winning the “cracker” vote won’t do it.
    This election is about jobs and finances and freedom. That is a secular subject. Mitt can handle it!

  314. DW says:

    The PPP poll of OH is actually a tigher gap than the 41/50 gap they had back in November.

  315. J T says:

    In 2008, Obama said most rural Whites were all About God and Guns. It was forgotten soon enough.

    Romney is fine, just a small hiccup. Food stampers vote Dem anyways

  316. J T says:

    PPP was awful on the FL primary. They had Romney winning by only 8.

  317. Grace says:

    “I’m not concerned about the poor” at HHR. “I just like to fire people” up and aggravate them.

    This is your candidate folks get busy defending him and stop insulting conservatives.

  318. J T says:

    Grace time is up. Time for your second personality to start up as Chekote

  319. DW says:

    wow, Romney jumps ahead in gallup tracking!

    Romney 31
    Newt 26
    Rick 16
    Loon 11

  320. J T says:

    Jensen is such a Dem partisan hack

  321. Polaris says:

    #320 Yes Obama said that, and normally Obama’s statement would have been dumb as well. However, here is the key difference: The MSM panders to Obama. The media IS Obama’s friends and it will cover for him as much as possible. The press is NOT Romney’s friends which means what Obama can get away with, Romney can not. That isn’t fair, but since when was politics fair?


  322. Jerry muthertruckin' Cruncher says:

    Polaris you be right on. Message discipline. Simple and pound away.

  323. DW says:

    I mean I had expected Romney to jump ahead, but only by a couple of points…its a 5-day rolling average poll, I expected the effect from FL would be gradual. By Friday, newt’s numbers will be horrible.

  324. DW says:

    326…this is right…nobody should forget the treatment Quayle got for not objecting when he saw potato had an e on the end of it…no big deal, unless you are a Republican and the media is reporting.

  325. J T says:

    Polaris not true. When Obama said that in San Francisco, it was actually a hot topic on all TV news shows. Many think he lost the Penn Primary to Hillary because of it.

    If the UE numbers spikes up Friday, this will be forgotten

  326. Wes says:

    To be fair, DW, that was an unforced error Quayle should have thought about before making. Obama’s “god, guns, and gays” comment was horrible, but McCain didn’tuse it effectively. Even so, after Lehman-Bothers, I doubt it would have mattered.

  327. DW says:

    330…it may be forgotten, but Mitt would do well to learn the lesson here, and in the future realize how things spoken will be taken by the media. They are not his friends.

  328. J T says:

    PPP and Jensen are pathetic. The guy is never right on his polling until the final week.

    He undercount Romney by 7% last night in Fl last night, and then puts out his own partisan spin on Ohio.

  329. GPO says:

    So Allen West is now safe correct?

  330. hugh says:

    I would not worry too much about Ohio. Assuming the tparty group doesnt have some stupid ballot initiative the state will move away from obama. Once this clown show is over and the focus is back on Obama, I believe he will sink like a rock.

  331. T J says:

    Watch out I’m Unhinged!

  332. DW says:

    331…but Quayle was judging the spelling bee relying on the cards provided by the school… according to wiki: “Quayle was widely lambasted for his apparent inability to spell the word “potato”. According to his memoirs, he was relying on cards provided by the school, which included the misspelling. Quayle said he was uncomfortable with the version he gave, but did so because he decided to trust the school’s incorrect written materials.”

    So the mistake was not trusting his judgment, and trusting a government school. But really, no big deal. Biden does ten times this bad every few weeks, but the media doesn’t even pay attention or just laughs about it and moves on.

  333. jenny says:

    what’s rush take on the election last night?

  334. Grace says:

    HHR logic

    Chekote owns a horse. Grace does not own a horse. Chekote and Grace are the same person.

    I now understand why you support Romney.


    This about sums up you stooges. Every time you claim I am Chek you demonstrate your total lack of analytical skills.

  335. Wes says:

    I know the story, DW, but Quayle should have trusted his own judgment. He’s actually a smart man. You don’t handily defeat a three-term Senator by being a moron. In any event, while the potato incident was a distraction, it wasn’t what ultimately led to the Bush-Quayle defeat.

  336. J T says:

    335. I agree Hugh.

  337. J T says:

    The day Bush 1 broke his read my lips promise, and raised taxes, was the day he lost 1992.

    Quayle had nothing to do with that.

  338. Rockefeller Republican says:

    #317: Ohio is going to prove to be very tough for Romney and the GOP this year – thanks to the missteps and overreaching of Kasich et al.

  339. Wes says:

    The Tea Party’s trying to get a stupid ballot initiative before the voters in November, Hugh. So far, DeWine has–wisely–blocked it. He may not be able to stave it off forever though.

  340. SUSYQUE says:

    #338…Jenny…Rush told listeners to focus on ooo and not with the mitt vs. Newt saga. He also was saying Mitt has to be more careful with his language when he says. “I don’t care about the poor”..which is only part of the sentence people pick up on, especially the ati-Mitts. He also dropped a possible hint that he voted for Santorum.
    That will set the palins, et al back a bit.

  341. hugh says:

    Wes. In fairness, I believe though I have not really researched it that the problem Kasich had was the republican legislature went beyond what he wanted, but he really had no choice but to back it. I cant believe that obama will do anywhere near what he did in 2008. There was a huge college turnout. He can cross that off the list this time around. Also, Ohio has a large swing vote if 3% of obama voters in 2008 become Romney voters with a smaller turnout, by the college kids, Mitt wins. I spent 15 years living in Ohio before moving to FL and have a decent feel for the state.

  342. hugh says:

    oops I meant to refer to rockerfeller rep not Wes on my prior text

  343. Rockefeller Republican says:

    #340: Quayle rode Reagan’s coattails in ’80. He did best Ted Kennedy in debate on 60-days plant closing notice. That was his high point. His son the congressman is an idiot.

  344. Tim V says:

    Both Romney and Newt engaged in attack ads that were not 100% accurate. It’s time to clean up the campaigns and make sure all negative ads are fully true. Both campaigns should focus on Obama and what they would do to turn the economy around. Forget all the silly distractions and focus on jobs,jobs,jobs!

    Romney is almost certain to be the nominee. If Newt runs a scorched earth campaign, it only hurts the GOP.

  345. Polaris says:

    #330 It is true. Yes it was a bit of a hullabalu for about a week but the press really did downplay it. It got as much attention as it did because Obama’s comment was really dumb and unlike Romney, it was clear that Obama really did mean what it sounded like he meant.

    I stand by what I said though: The MSM is completely and entirely on the side of Obama and will report accordingly, and Romney had better wake up and realize this in a hurry. The press is NOT his friend.


  346. Rockefeller Republican says:

    I am a native Buckeye so I know all re: Ohio. Kasich & Speaker Batchelder at war with state GOP chair Kevin DeWine. These intrparty feuds threaten Romney’s chances in state. Not good at all!

  347. Barrett says:

    #346 – When you refer to Rockefeller troll, you don’t ever have to use the phrase “in fairness”

    Just a pointer!

  348. Wes says:

    That’s all good and well, Hugh, but it’s pure speculation. The hard evidence–read: polls and recent events–indicate Ohio will be a tough state. Now I’m not saying Romney can’t win, but to assume Romney will have an easy time of it in a state that in the past two decades has been decided by more than five points just once strikes me as very foolhardy. If RTW makes it onto the ballot, I would venture to say Romney’s chances there drop dramatically. If not, it looks like one of the most solid candidates for a tossup this cycle.

  349. Polaris says:

    As for the comment being forgotten when the new UE numbers come in, I think that’s almost true, but only almost. The problem is that people are already predisposed to think that Romney or any GOP candidate is a stand-in for Ebeneezer Scrooge (true or not), and comments like this (especially when misreported) merely feed into this confirmation bias (which is very powerful). While the commentary may soon be forgotten, it leaves a negative fingerprint in the voter’s mind and that almost never completely goes away.


  350. SUSYQUE says:

    #334..Wes…what is the ballot initiative the tea party wants?

  351. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Kevin DeWine is a good chairman. Typical Tea Party and right wing extremist nonsense jeopardizing the state for GOP. Where is Boehner to ride herd? The guy is useless.

  352. SoHope says:

    Huckabee is saying that Newt is “sour”.

    Slowly the “non-establishment” is realizing that they have fed a monster with a god complex. It is Newt is going to blow up in everyone’s faces.

  353. Rockefeller Republican says:

    #352: When referring to Barrett troll, always do so with directive “f.u.”

    Phillistine! 🙂

  354. Wes says:

    A right-to-work amendment, Susy. The unions are vehemently opposed to it, and many rank-and-file union members who may be inclined to vote GOP otherwise turn out to oppose initiatives like that and vote for Dems. One reason 1958 was such a disastrous year for the GOP was that RTW motivated unions to the polls, resulting in a cataclysm for Republicans on all electoral levels that year.

  355. Tim says:

    Well, he’s moving to a swing district; much more faovrable than the new 22nd. That district, he would have lost.

    They should make Congressmen actually live in their districts.

  356. SUSYQUE says:

    Wes, if Romney wins the nomination, whom do you think he should choose as vp that would help get more votes in states like Penn./Ohio/ Va.

  357. Wes says:

    That’s a tough question, Susy. Right now, I would probably say Bob McDonnell would be the best choice.

  358. SUSYQUE says:

    #360..Hi Tim V. Please remember some of the districts can be in high crime neighborhoods.

  359. Tim says:

    I am not Tim V. I am Tim from Ga.

  360. Wes says:

    In 1958, the GOP lost three House seats in Ohio, the governorship, and their sole remaining Senate seat. I’m going to check on how the Legislature looked after 1958.

  361. Wes says:

    You’d have to change the Constitution to make Congressmen live in their home districts, Tim.

  362. Robbie says:

    230.Robbie, Marc and Chekote are concern trolls.

    Robbie and Marc were huge gloomers in 2010, Corey is right on that fact.

    Comment by J T — February 1, 2012 @ 12:01 pm

    Just keep on lying. Just keep on lying.

  363. Corey says:

    1958 was the year that Newt Gingrich decided it was up to him to save American Civilization.

  364. SUSYQUE says:

    #359…Wes…yes, that’s a tough decision; not worth the cost of the election in some states.

  365. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Re running mate, Romney will choose Gov. Bob McDonnell of VA. He has gravitas and maturity. Rubio is not there yet. McDonnell has guts – he endorsed Romney early on. Rubio is a coward…as is Jeb.

  366. Robbie says:

    370.Re running mate, Romney will choose Gov. Bob McDonnell of VA. He has gravitas and maturity. Rubio is not there yet. McDonnell has guts – he endorsed Romney early on. Rubio is a coward…as is Jeb.

    Comment by Rockefeller Republican — February 1, 2012 @ 1:48 pm

    I agree with what you wrote, except I think Mitt chooses Christie. He will need the energy Christie brings to the campaign.

  367. SUSYQUE says:

    #357…yes! Hope they realize it sooner than later.
    When Newt asked them for help…did they realize he meant big bucks…Newt wants money.

  368. Barrett says:

    If you want to lose an election, you will have Jeb Bush as your vice president

  369. Bitterlaw says:

    Rocky Ga*h still hasn’t apologogized to lisab?

  370. Wes says:

    NO MORE BUSHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  371. SUSYQUE says:

    371…Robbie…Christie, I don’t think so. I do not means this unkindly, but slim Mitt next to not very slim christie wouldn’t look good on tv or when ooo and the nominees are together.

  372. janz says:

    #375 wes

    That’s the first time I can recall you ‘yelling.’

  373. Polaris says:

    I have an idea? I hear that Gov Palin is available. I’m sure she would just love to be Romney’s VP 😀 (joking)


  374. pitchaboy says:

    On an optimistic note, Obama approval below 45%in FL,OH,NH,NV and NC to name a few.

  375. Barrett says:

    Bob McDonnel, Rob Portman, Susana Martinez, or someone from Colorado/Michigan

    Hard to decide

  376. Polaris says:

    #380 True, the one bright spot is that Obama seems to do consistantly worse in swing states than in the rest of the country.


  377. jason says:

    I see the usual idiots robbie, chekote and grace are here to shill for Obama. What a team of losers.

    And then there is PPP-DKOS-SEIU that had Romney up by 6 in Florida among election day voters.

    Believe their Ohio trash poll at your own risk.

  378. Hall Monitor says:

    #375…and NO MORE KENNEDYS! (:_) unless they are
    elephants and not donkeys.

  379. Polaris says:

    #383 I don’t take PPP(D) at face value, but I do think the poll indicates that the GOP there is a lot weaker than it should be (and largely for local reasons).


  380. ppp-dkos says:

    ” Thread rule: Articulate a way for someone other than Romney to be the nominee.”

    We are doing our best.

  381. Polaris says:

    #386 I understand that, but you need to start with “Little Green Aliens came from outer space and…” Gingrich after last week hasn’t left you with much else.


  382. GPO says:

    Mitch Daniels for VP- helps slightly Ohio/ Wisconsin

  383. jason says:

    Rockefeller Troll on election night in November said McDonnell had only picked “right wingers” to run and it was disastrous for the GOP.

    Now he picks McDonnell for VP?

    LOL, what a fraud.

  384. SUSYQUE says:

    Dick Morris: How Mitt Romney suckered Gingrich in Florida
    By Dick Morris – 01/31/12 06:32 PM ET

    For students of American politics, following the way the Romney campaign played Newt Gingrich in Florida is a lesson to learn and to keep. Romney’s people must have realized that Newt does best when he is positive. His bold ideas, clear vision, revolutionary insights and extraordinary perspectives resonate with voters and win him millions of supporters.

    Romney, less compelling but more consistent, doesn’t need stellar debate performances or bold vision to win. The case for the former Massachusetts governor is more circumstantial: He can reach out to independents by virtue of his past apostasies on healthcare and abortion. He looks, talks and acts like a president. His record of job creation is exemplary.

    But Newt needs the bold sally, the breathtaking moment of rhetorical clarity, to prevail.

    So Romney’s people set out to mire Newt in negatives so he couldn’t and wouldn’t get out the positive message he needed to project to prevail. They tormented him with negative ads in Iowa. While the ads were generally accurate — the allegation about backing China’s forced-abortion policy aside — they presented only one side of the story and were stinging in their impact. Without funds, Gingrich couldn’t answer the negative ads. He fumed but watched, in impotence, as his vote share fell away.
    Worth Reading More:

  385. jason says:

    The dog turd never called Romney to congratulate him on Florida. A real scumbag.

    The exit poll showed that among Republicans who thought moral values were important, Newt got 8%.

    Amazing he got that many… butterfly ballot?

  386. Bitterlaw says:

    Troll Logig

    Grace wants Obama to win

    Cheksux wants Obama to win

    Grace and Cheksux should spend more time on a site where nobody else openly wants Obama to win.

  387. J T says:

    And Obama is getting those bad state numbers from Gallup, even when the GOP is fighting a civil war in the primaries.

  388. J T says:

    I could be wrong, and hope some of our political history experts like Wes can verify, but I believe no POTUS has ever been re-elected when the UE goes up at any point during the last 12 months of their first term.

    I wonder if the Obama labor dept has the white-out going for Friday’s number? Duh

  389. Polaris says:

    #393 Gallup has always been lousy at state polling. I have no reason to think that’s changed now. I am saying this because if we don’t trust certain firms with state polling when it’s bad for the GOP, we shouldn’t trust them when it seems good for the GOP.


  390. Polaris says:

    #394 IIRC that’s right, but I’d have to look it up to be absolutely certain.


  391. Wes says:

    There’s really no one in Michigan or Colorado who can help Romney win, Barrett. Republicans nominated the Dynamic Duo of Idiots in Colorado in 2010–with predictable results. In Michigan, while the GOP holds all the state constitutional offices, no one has a high profile, and the Congressmen are not well known outside their districts. Realistically there seems no way the GOP benefits by picking a Veep candidate from either state. McDonnell seems like the strongest choice though I think Mary Fallin and Susana Martinez would be solid picks as well.

  392. Corey says:


  393. janz says:

    I appreciate bio mom’s clarification of Romney’s remark about the ‘poor’ in #144.

    It continues to amaze me how the press/pundits can distort unscripted interviews, making sensational fodder out of them in order to degrade a candidate.

    I also agree that it’s too early to despair about Ohio.

    As for the election results, I was glad that Romney achieved the goal of beating Gingrich by more than the combined numbers of Santorum and Gingrich. This deflates Gingrich’s claim, somewhat, that if Santorum dropped out, he (Gingrich) could then beat Romney.

    I was also pleased that Romney garnered the woman/married woman’s vote by such a large margin, over Newt, giving more credence to the much demeaned assertion that ‘character does count,’ and that Newt’s poor marital history would be a huge blemish to overcome, especially in the GE.

    Finally, I have heard that Gingrich’s absurd space speech, and robocall frothing at the mouth only served to diminish him in the remaining days in FL. And, his ‘little Napoleon’ 2nd place speech last night, IMO, did nothing but convert him into a graceless loser. As a side note, Gingrich lost the space corridor vote last night, as well.

  394. J T says:

    Wes, acording to Hotline, the Charlotte Observer is begging Erskine Bowles to run for NC governor

  395. Corey says:

    Is Gingrich planning to contest New York as one of his 46 remaining states.

    Or will he get caught between the Moon and New York City?

  396. J T says:

    Polaris, PPP is also lousy at state Polling until the last two weeks before the vote.

    What is really awful at PPP, unlike other bias left wing pollsters, is Jensen’s bias commentary.

  397. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey – Newt will contest New York. I know it’s crazy but it’s true.*

    *Zing! Lyrics, baby. Lyrics!

  398. J T says:

    I hear Terry Branstad a lot lately also.

    He would no doubt deliver Iowa to the GOP

  399. Corey says:

    But Bitter, the best that he can do is come in second?

  400. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey – do the Bulls have a cool 1970’s theme song like the 76ers?


  401. J T says:

    wes, good call on Mary Fallin of OK. She is very solid and also served in the US house

  402. J T says:

    In theory, Romney already has a running mate from Mich, who will not appear on the ticket. His Father

  403. Corey says:

    What a horrible song. Philly will be able to witness the D-Rose Show tonight.

  404. Polaris says:

    #402 Much to the annoyance of some here, there is a reason I call PPP as PPP(D) and not just because of the commentary. To Jensen’s credit, he does usually try to get it right when it counts (the last two weeks), but yeah, I consider PPP(D) another Dem partisan firm. That doesn’t mean, however, that useful data can’t be mined from his work. I find Dem Corps(D) to be one of the more useful polls around if you can ignore the top-line and the obvious bias. There is golden information lurking in the internals of Dem Corp and it’s well constructed so it’s easy to find (relatively).


  405. J T says:

    Derrick Rose is the new Charles Barkely. No Bling

  406. Corey says:

    Derrick Rose is in just his fourth yeah and is 23 years old, and has an MVP Trophy of course. He’s going to win a few rings.

  407. J T says:

    If Romney were to pick a solid woman on the ticket, Obama could be doomed.

    Having a Female who is the opposite of Palin and Ferraro, would be tough to beat

  408. J T says:

    Not with that supporting cast Corey. Maybe the Heat will switch to the Western Conference.

  409. Corey says:

    Romney would be unlikely to get points by picking a woman just to pick a woman.

    It will not be many years before a woman is on the GOP ticket and wins, but I doubt 2012 is going to be that year.

  410. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey – you’re not feeling the funky beat and seeing the Doctor running the floor in tight shorts with the socks pulled over his knees. Skyhook!

    The Bulls probably win tonight but I think it will be a good game.

  411. Corey says:

    Have the Sixers traditionally been the fourth most popular pro-team in Philly?

  412. Wes says:

    That’s why I suggested Martinez or Fallin, J T. Despite being newly minted Governors, both have solid electoral backgrounds. Martinez in particular can help Romney peel away a must-win state for Obama and appeal to much-needed latino voters while also helping with the female vote.

  413. Hall Monitor says:

    #415…Corey…I hope no woman becomes a vp this election. We need two impressive men to go against
    000 and his new choice if he has one.

  414. GF says:

    401- I was wondering if Newt would be singing “Moon Over Miami,” but last night’s returns probably nixed that.

  415. Corey says:

    As for tonight, it will either be a good game, or the Bulls, playing without two injured starters who are probably the second and third best players on the team, will be flat.

  416. J T says:

    The only two women to be on the ticket, were both Hail Mary passes correct?

    Ferraro and Palin were both on tickets that were desperate.

    What would happen if Romney if Romney picked a non gimmick solid State executive like Fallin, Haley, or Martinez

    Would it be enough for maybe a 5% swing in the female vote towards Romney?

  417. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey – it is difficult to say. Even with all the Eagles’ problems they usually have the boggest fan base. The Phillies are second. I could see an argument that the Phillies are now #1 and the Eagles are #2. There is a civil war between the 76ers and Flyers fans. There are probably more Sixers fans (the hard-core fans are mostly black). The Flyers fans are a hard-core cult (99.9% white). Flyers fans hate when people talk basketball. Sixers fans hate when people talk hockey. I like all 4 teams.

  418. J T says:

    418. Wes, Martinez has been on my radar, but Fallin is one who I forgot about. She would be a solid choice. She use to battle DEM gov Henry in Oklahoma all the time

  419. SUSYQUE says:

    Rush is really sounding foolish right now. “What Romney said in 1994 is impossible to change because he is a politician.” Number one Mitt is fiscally conservative, He is socially conservative.
    He leans conservative, more than he leans liberal or even moderate. Often, Moderate is good when making some decisions…so what is the problem? Do you think every person who says they are conservative…really were in 1994?

  420. Corey says:

    Picking one of those women would still look like desperation.

    As has been discussed before, Fallin has the best credentials, but the issues surrounding her messy divorce would be a huge distraction on a national level.

    We aren’t Democrats. We need to pick the best person for the job. One year soon, that will be a woman or a minority, and I will be proud to see it. Perhaps Rubio and Jindal cannot be counted out though in 2012 for #2 on the ticket.

    This year, it is most likely that a white man would make the best pick, both for the duties of the job and for what would best help politically. Maybe that person will be a Roman Catholic which would be a first for the GOP ticket since 1964.

    As it is, we are going to break the Mormon glass ceiling of course.

  421. SUSYQUE says:

    #442 JT…NO!

  422. Corey says:

    In Chicago, sports popularity rankings have definitely varied over the past several decades and the Blackhawks are most recently far more popular than they were just five years ago.

    Considering we have divided baseball loyalties, I would say that it would be 1. Bears 2. Cubs 3. Bulls 4. Blackhawks 5. White Sox

  423. Wes says:

    Corey, I tend think if a 14-year-old divorce didn’t hurt Fallin Oklahoma of all places, it’s not going to hurt her nationally. Further, both she and Martinez have solid backgrounds and are well respected in their states–unlike Sarah Palin, whose catty prima donna attitude wasn’t exactly a boon during her rocky half term as Governor. I’m not saying either will or necessarily should be Romney’s ticket mate, but I think you greatly demean them by saying they would be or would appear to be desperation picks.

  424. Marv says:

    I will consider voting for Romney in the general election only if Perry is the VP, otherwise, I am undecided.

  425. Corey says:

    A Governor’s race in a state is a far different bag of worms than the spotlight that comes with the spotlight of a national campaign and what the media would obsess over.

    One just has to look at what happened to Palin.

    The way to win in 2012 is to make Obama the issue and keep Obama the issue.

  426. Corey says:

    When Palin was picked by McCain here JA in Alaska was close to 80%.

  427. GF says:

    True, Wes; under that logic, ANY female pick will always be a desperation choice. A woman will always have to struggle through the primaries on her own Presdiential run rather than be tapped as a successor.

    Perhaps Hillary’s run was out of depseration as well.

  428. Corey says:

    You’re a horrible liar Marv.

  429. Barrett says:

    #427 – Why the outburst?

    Isn’t it true that Geraldine Ferraro and Sarah Palin were desperate choices for the purpose of breaking the mold?

  430. Marv says:

    #435 Corey,

    You mean I’ve been “busted”? I did you do that so quickly?

  431. Marv says:

    Correction to #437

    “How* did you do that so quickly”

  432. SUSYQUE says:

    #430…Marv…This is such a serious and desperate election…this is not the time to play stubborn because you want your guy in that position. Perry will never be chosen as a vp in 2012. Please be realistic and loyal to our GOP cause.

  433. Corey says:

    I have lots of work to do now. See you people tomorrow most likely.

  434. Marv says:

    #439 SUSYQUE,

    If Romney is not smart enough to put Perry on the ticket as VP, then he is certainly not smart enough to be President. I would rather go with Obama and wait for Perry in 2016.

  435. Wes says:

    That didn’t last too long, did it, Corey? Under Palin, the AKGOP damn near went under. Stevens lost–WITH PALIN ON THE TICKET. Young almost lost. Republicans suffered heavy losses in the State Legislature (and their State Senate majority). Moreover, Obama cut sharply into Bush’s 2004 showing in the state. That 80% approval rating looks a bit deceptive to me. Palin’s most lasting legacy in the state was Sean Parnell–who, unlike her, seems interested in competent governance and building his state party rather than appearing in reality shows and making vapid statements publicly.

  436. Marv says:


    Please tell SUSYQUE that I am kidding. Thank you.

  437. Wes says:

    I hope Susy’s smart enough to figure that out on her own, Marv.

  438. marc says:

    Yes wait to 2016 when 10 million more people are on government assistence and over 50% are getting a check from uncle sam. Thats the ticket.

  439. Todd McCain says:

    Yeah, ok, Marv.

  440. janz says:

    wes = interpreter and peacemaker.

  441. MD says:

    Polaris – PPP’s final polls are usually on the mark. Last night’s was a miss though. 6% is outside of MOE. They are clearly pushing an ABR agenda. It won’t work. Gravity has taken hold. It is a shame that PPP has to agenda poll right up until the end. If they just went with facts all the way through, PPP could be the gold standard. Instead, prior to their last “money” polls, they seem to rely on opinion and build in a momentum model that doesn’t usually exist except in veru pro Dem cycles.

  442. Polaris says:

    #448 Yeah I noticed that. Of course in fairness to Jensen (yeah hard I know), he simply could have missed the late move towards Romney. However, I tend to agree with you. PPP(D) was pushing ABR in order to keep the GOP in civil war mode as long as possible…and were willing to tolerate a “miss” in Florida to try to do it. Cynical I know but this is politics….


  443. SUSYQUE says:

    443/444…Thanks…I really fell for it. I am soooooooo concerned about our winning this election. My brain is elsewhere, but my heart is in the right place.

  444. J T says:

    448 and 449, both very well said

  445. J T says:

    MD, FWIW

    Goldman people here at the CME and CBOE are saying that Romney and the GOP Super PACS are raising so much $$$ from Wall Street and Big Business, that Obama will have no $$$ advantage in November.

  446. DW says:

    449…what I considered telling was the fact that PPP did THREE separate polls from 1/28 – 1/30, all coming up with same basic numbers, all the while the other pollsters were showing the 13-16 point spread:

  447. J T says:

    I am also hearing, that the only sector coming thru for Obama on fundraising this cycle, are the dimwits in Hollywood.

    Little Marxist Actress, Eva Longoria, raised 200k for Zero, and they are actually excited about that. Obama is in trouble.

    I dare to think Romney could have a sizeable $$$ advantage Obama by the Summer

  448. Tina says:

    Do not make fun of PPP-Drat, they got the order correct, that is all that matters.

  449. J T says:

    DW, even ARG and Suffolk were right.

    Md and Polaris hit the nail on the head with PPP. Jensen wanted a civil war thru the Summer.

    Where is Brandon to defend PPP?

  450. J T says:

    Oregon is hopeless.

  451. Tina says:

    PPP-Drat was the last polling firm in the field. They either missed badly, or had an agenda. Me thinks it is an agenda, because they were pushing Rube Paul early on.

    Now, they come up with garbage polling in other states.

  452. Tina says:

    They follow the meme on PMS/etc. They want this to go on and on until the convention. They want a brokered convention.

    This will only ensure the Obumbler’s re-election. In fact, it is a guaranteed victory for him.

  453. Tina says:

    That is a good article MFG.

  454. Tina says:

    Obama doubles down on federal home financing…

    ‘Programs we put forward haven’t worked at the scale we hoped’…

    Duh, just like Tarp, Porkulous, Bailouts, trillions in spending.

  455. jan says:

    Gallup state numbers predict huge Obama loss

    Gallup released their annual state-by-state presidential approval numbers yesterday, and the results should have 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue very worried. If President Obama carries only those states where he had a net positive approval rating in 2011 (e.g. Michigan where he is up 48 percent to 44 percent), Obama would lose the 2012 election to the Republican nominee 323 electoral votes to 215.

  456. DW says:

    In fact here is the FL rundown for pollster accuracy:

    Quinnipiac – Nailed it, +14
    SUSA – one too much, +15
    Marist – one too much, +15
    Rasmussen – two too much, +16
    Paladin/CFP – three too much, +17
    MasonDixon – three too few, +11
    ARG – three too few, +11
    WeAskAmerican – five too much, +19
    Suffolk – six too much, +20
    PPP (D) – six too few, +8
    IA – nine too few, +5

    Two of the top three were university polls.

  457. Polaris says:

    #464 Yeah but even a painted clock is right twice a day. I do not trust University Polls in general for reasons I have gone on at length in prior threads. I find it noteworthy that SUSA and Ras continue to be the gold-standards (but hardly suprising).


  458. jan says:

    PPP did as well has Newt’s own pollster. What does that say?

  459. Polaris says:

    Honestly of the above list, anything from +/- 3 or less should be considered as “nailing it” when it comes to Florida state polling.


  460. DW says:

    467 – true. SUSA is usally pretty good. I agree about university polls.

  461. pitchaboy says:

    Gallup is confirming my prediction and bet; a big Romney win.

  462. Tom says:

    WTF. Did Romney really just say he doesn’t care about the poor because they have a safety net? Dear God, this will be in every Obama (and Gingrich, Santorum, and Paul) political add until November. How could he say something so stupid? We are screwed!

  463. DW says:

    Going through those gallup state approval numbers, did any of you notice that Obama’s approval in NH is LESS than his approval in Louisiana?

    I am very optimistic about Romney’s chances to win NH

  464. jan says:

    pitch winning Oregon seems a little far fetch and the Philly machine may be to much for Romney to overcome but the rest of the map I can see Romney winning.

  465. J T says:

    Nice try Tom

  466. J T says:

    Oregon is rough, because the big county in the Portland area decides the whole state.

    We have not held the Gov office since the mid 80’s there.

    Philly is brutal to offset, maybe the Philly Burbs will swing to Romney though

  467. Tom says:

    Nice try my fanny JT. I support Romney, but there are already two articles in Real Clear Politics about this, and he just said it this morning. This is going to dog him the rest of the campaign and he is going to have to waste valuble time and resources defending it. Mark my words, there is going to be a liberal firestorm about this.

  468. janz says:

    #475 Tom

    If you’re really wondering about the accuracy of Romney’s reported remark, taken out of context, go to #144 for clarification

  469. Diogenes says:

    “Take your message of equality of achievement, take your message of economic dependency, and take your message of enslaving the entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people somewhere else. You can take it to Europe, you can take it to the bottom of the sea, you can take it to the North Pole, but get the hell out of the United States of America.”

    – Rep. Allen West

    Man, Allen West may occassionally have foot in mouth syndrome but when he’s awesome, he’s awesome.

  470. Dom says:

    I just read that Obama called “Georgia” by the name of nearby “Russia.” What a horrible gaffe that is going to hurt his chances this fall. It will dog him for the rest of the campaign.

  471. J T says:

    RCP is a Chicago based Obama brown nose site.

    Bevan is a self admitted Obama supporter.
    Jay Cost and Sean Trende are the only real Republicans there.

  472. jan says:

    Bus came so close to winning PA in 2004. Just 144,000 votes. He lost the state in Erie, Bucks, Delaware and Montgomery and by not winning Leigh and Northampton. I don’t know if Romney can do any better than the 48% Bush got.

  473. GF says:

    478- Just like “57 states,” “Austrian” as an actual language and the old “bitter clingers” line did him in in ’08. MSM will cover, and we’ll move on since we have so much more to hammer him with that is of greater substance.

    OR may not be out of reach. We came within 1% in the governor race with a foirst time (albeit falirly well-known) candidate, and I am confident that the Dems held the mansion only because they brought a popular former governor out of retirement to save it for them. Tough nut to crack, but worth trying for if we already have 270 lined up.

  474. janz says:

    Apparently not only did Newt fail to recognize election tradition, by calling Romney on his win in FL last night, he also didn’t give him a jingle after NH, nor Iowa, when it called for Romney on that night.

    However Romney did call Gingrich, after SC’s sweeping loss, including respectfully referring to him in his concession speech in SC.

    Even after the Lincoln/Dougles contest, something Newt repeatedly says he will emulate in a debate format with Obama, it has been noted that Douglas, once he lost to Lincoln was one of his greatest boosters on the campaign trail. So far Newt is not following suite in any kind of courtesy shown to his republican rival.

    Spoiled sport comes to mind when describing a losing Newt Gingrich.

  475. DW says:

    If Romney wins PA, he probably didn’t need it. Assuming he gets back states that McCain should not have lost, NC and IN, then just focus on VA, OH, FL and NH and its game over.

  476. J T says:

    If the UE Number inches up(A big If)on Friday, the Romney gaffe will be forgotten.

    The very poor either do not vote , or are Dem voters anyways.

    Independents and women are the only voters Romney’s remark would effect, and these people number one issue is the Economy and getting their kids thru college

  477. J Tee says:

    Is there anyone with More Hate in his Heart than me? I think I need to Lighten up Sometimes.

  478. J T says:

    I am glad Romney said this in January, and not August.

  479. J T says:

    485.Hi Bonnacaruso

  480. JayT says:

    #485. Hey! I am the Official Parody handle of JT. Now Go away.

  481. Polaris says:

    #484 The problem with the comment is that it affirms the confirmation bias that Romney (and all GOP candidates) are heartless scrooges that don’t care about anyone that doesn’t have money. Not true, but it doesn’t have to be true for it to be a killer comment.

    Mitt has to learn that the press is NOT on his side.


  482. Truther says:

    Bonniville and Rockefeller – same poster.

  483. Tina says:

    The CNN commment is clear in its full context.

  484. Wes says:

    Oregon used to be fairly evenly divided between the parties. Now it’s trending ever more Dem. Pretty soon, it’ll be as out of reach for the GOP as HI, WA, and CA. (Of course the local Constitution Party–which just loves to help Dems win–is doing its best to help ORGOP descend into complete irrelevance.) As far as PA, Republicans generally seem able to win statewide and downballot, but the presidential vote since 1992 has been an as-yet-unattained Holy Grail. I strongly doubt 2012 reverses that trend.

  485. Wes says:

    Why don’t I rate a professional parody poster?

  486. SoHope says:

    Eph permalink

    “Newt’s #1 political achievement: Balanced budget ammedment
    Mitt’s #1 political achievement: Romneycare
    Which one do yuo prefer????”

    Newt got us a balanced budget ammendment to the constitution? That’s a new one.

  487. Wes says:

    I agree with Polaris. Romney needs to avoid giving the Dems potential ammo.

  488. jan says:

    Oregon is a great example of the harm third parties can do. In 2010 The Libertarian and Constitution ) candidates each pulled more votes than the margin of victory for Kitzhaber over Chris Dudley. Once again, the conservatives who voted for the Constitution and Libertarian candidates (2.69%) instead of the Republican, were the margin of victory for the Democrat. Note that there was no left-leaning third-party candidate pulling votes from Kitzhaber. Conservative voters in Oregon (for the fourth time in 20 years) effectively elected the Democrat.

  489. DrJay says:

    In my opinion the two firms that did the best were Mason Dixon and ARG, missing the four results by a total of about 6-7%, and pretty much nailing the anti-Romneys…

    Romney: 43 (-3)
    Gingrich: 31 (-1)
    Santorum: 13 (0)
    Paul: 9 (+2)

    Romney: 42 (-4)
    Gingrich: 31 (-1)
    Santorum: 14 (+1)
    Paul: 6 (-1)

  490. Whore Wes says:

    We’re trying, Wes. We were ready to roll out the parody posts but the funeral and binge drinking kind of cut down the enthusiasm for the project.

  491. Brandon says:

    Any Nevada polls coming out?

  492. Wes says:

    Don’t forget, Jan, both Merkley and Wyden owe their seas to the Constitution Party–which because of some irrational hatred of Gordon Smith decided to split Smith’s vote in 1996 and 2008, thus sending two far-left Senators to Washington to represent that state for the first time since the 1960s.

  493. bio mom says:

    The average voter will be watching the Super Bowl this weekend, not fixating on Mitt Romney. Also, there are ample things out there for Obama to use against Romney, many supplied by other conservatives like Limbaugh and Gingrich. And Romney has been saying the identical things in all of the debates. Guess those who are groaning about this as being some unforgivable gaffe were not paying attention. I am really disgusted with the conservatives in the party these days. I am embarassed that I am in the same party. And if they manage to get Gingrich nominated, I won’t be any longer.

  494. Cliffy says:

    I have 50,000 books you morons. I am plebian you people are pedestrian but I have decided to bestow some of my knowledge and grace you with my keen intellect (when I’m not banging Chili waitresses).

  495. Whore Wes says:

    Wes walks into a bar. He hasn’t come out since Monday.

  496. Whore Wes says:

    What’s the difference between Wes and a drunken slut? No, seriously. We can’t tell the difference, either.

  497. DW says:

    Please stop. Wes is feeling down these days, he doesn’t need people kicking him.

  498. Polaris says:

    #502 You’re right. Initially this will fade, but Obama and his cronies are going to dredge up this canard over and over again in the fall campaign, and Romney will have to continually remind people over and over again it was taken out of context. The fact he made the statement at all, gives Obama ammo to force Romney on the defensive and it’s a quote that will never get completely stale because of the perceived bias (true or not) about the GOP.

    That’s why I am unhappy that Romney made the comment at all and why I say he’s GOT to have better message discipline from here on out.


  499. Wes says:

    It’s all right, DW. I opened myself up for those.

  500. DrJay says:



    McCaskill: 43
    Steelman: 43

    McCaskill: 43
    Brunner: 43

    McCaskill: 43
    Akin: 43

  501. DrJay says:

    I swear that isn’t a cut/paste typo…

  502. Whore Wes says:

    Wes wanted a parody poster. He got 2. Fine. You people don’t deserve us.

  503. SoHope says:

    incumbent @ 43% against all three….she is a goner

  504. Scott says:

    In its December Ohio Poll,PPP had Obama up by nine(9). This is nothing more than agenda polling.Last week,Quinnipiac had it Obama +2 in Ohio.

  505. DrJay says:

    The three repub candidates in #509 all have >50% “no opinion” responses for favorability…


  506. Bitterlaw says:


    76ers – 86
    Bulls – 82*

    *This almost guarantees a Bulls’ win. That’s why I don’t bet on sports.

  507. Polaris says:

    #514 That data sure seems to be suggesting that the GOP vote here is a ABM vote.


  508. jan says:

    I’m pulling for Steelman she is outsider and can effectively run against Claire being an Obama rubber stamp and part of the problem. Plus the GOP needs more women in the Senate.

  509. SoHope says:

    Apparently reference from the president has gotten ONE GUY a phone call from a recruiter….yay, 4 million more unemployed and 10 million underemployed to go!

    Again the doofus-in-chief misses the point.

  510. Wes says:

    I agree on those points, Jan. Brunner seems to be a somewhat more formidable, better funded candidate though.

  511. jan says:

    But Brunner untested which in a toss-up race like this could be trouble.

  512. DW says:

    Polaris, team Romney should think up a clever response, should Obama or a news anchor bring up the poor people comment again.

    He could say, “My policies will give opportunities for poor poeple to no longer be poor. Mr. Obama must love poor people for sure…his policies have created a whole lot of them in the last four years.”

  513. PPP Dispatch says:

    Hello, may we ask you some questions about the upcoming Missouri Senate race?

    Respondent: sure

    Do you have a favorable opinion of Sarah Steelman?

    Respondent: who?

    If the race were between Claire McCaskill and Sarah Steelman, who would you choose?

    Respondent: the lady

    Which one? They are both ladies?

    Respondent: if you say so… that Sarah girl…

    Do you have a favorable opinion of Todd Akin?

    Respondent: who?

    If the race were between Claire McCaskill and… (cut off)

    Respondent: the other one…

    Do you have a favorable… (cut off)

    Respondent: I don’t know, just put me down for the other one…

  514. Wes says:

    You have a point there. The same was said about Ron Johnson in 2010, but that worked out pretty well actually.

  515. Wes says:

    I believe Steelman is leading fairly handily in the primary polls.

  516. jan says:

    Ron Johnsons don’t come around everyday. For every Ron Johnson there is a Linda McMahon or Charlie Baker.

  517. jan says:

    She has a 10 point lead but there are a lot of undecideds. Missouri will go Republican in Nov no doubt about it but the voters there are ticket splitters so we need the best sort of candidate. Send more Kelly Ayotte to the senate, solid conservative women who can speak to other women about conservative principals to combat the likes of Barbara Boxer and Elizabeth Warren

  518. karl r rove says:

    Is Newt still defeated? Has Zombie Newt made a comeback yet???

    I heard the Nevada gov cancelled his photo shoot with him…

  519. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Senate election surprise this year: Kyrillos (R) upsets Menendez (D) in NJ.

  520. J T says:

    The UE number should go up Friday, but it will probably stay even or go down.

    Dept of Labor and the left know that if it goes up even .1, Obama is doomed in November.

    The white out is being brought out as we speak

  521. Wes says:

    Baker lost because the Dems came up with the brilliant scheme of having Cahill run as a fiscal hawk and split the anti-Deval vote. I’ll give you McMahon though. Her asociation with the WWF doomed her.

  522. Rockefeller Republican says:

    #527: no guarantee that Warren (D) unseats Brown (R)

  523. J T says:

    the lock of the year will be Tommy Thompson in WI. Baldwin is a weak candidate

  524. Wes says:

    Let’s hope Brown beats Warren. He seems to be rope-a-doping it right now, but I believe he’s a savvy enough politician to ratchet his campaign up at the right time.

  525. Rockefeller Republican says:

    I like McMahon’s chances this year in CT. Murphy’s a twerp.

  526. J T says:

    Polling this week had Heather Wilson tied in New Mexico?

  527. Wes says:

    I thought ND and NE were the GOP locks for this cycle, J T?

  528. J T says:

    Rock, we went 0-5 in the CT House seats in 2010.

    CT is similar to Cal, Hawaii. If we could not win there in 2010, we will not in 2012

  529. J T says:

    Wes to clarify, Thompson is the lock outside the Givens. LOL

  530. jan says:

    Missouri Senate Primary is ridiculously late its on August 7.

  531. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Women will vote for Brown (R) because they think he’s hot; only lesbians will see Warren that way.

  532. J T says:

    Scott Brown smiled tot he Heavens when Romney won FL.

    So did every Republican in New England

  533. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Don’t be so sure JT. Romney heading tickets will provide opportunities in heretofore blue states.

  534. Rockefeller Republican says:

    NY GOP needs to recruit Geraldo Rivera to run against Gillenbrand. He’s a registered R and women always loved him.

  535. J Tee says:

    #533. Because she’s a “Dyke”, right?

  536. jan says:

    Anyone have an opinion on New Mexico? Heather Wilson seems to be running away with the primary but I can’t tell how competitive she would be since polling has been so dominated by PPP. The one non-PPP poll shows her and Martin Heinrich and Hector Balderas.

  537. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Heather Wilson, Sarah Steelman, and Linda McMahon would be awesome additions to Senate GOP women caucus.

  538. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Kerrey (D) will be tough to beat in Neb. He’s an honest Dem and war hero. Have always like him.

  539. Chekote says:

    Scott Brown will not win MA no matter who is heading the GOP ticket.

  540. Rockefeller Republican says:

    NE GOP should try to recruit former Sen. Carl Curtis or former Gov. Norbert Tiemann to run for senate.

  541. Rockefeller Republican says:

    #550: Chek, you cannot state that as fact. Don’t you find him hot? Women like hot. 🙂

  542. jan says:

    Linda McMahon isn’t gonna win. I would love for Steelman and Wilson to join Kelly Ayotte.

  543. Wes says:

    I guess I’ll give a tentative ranking for Senate races now. Feel free to disagree:

    D Lock:


    D Likely:


    D lean:


    I lock:




    R lock:


    R likely:


    R lean:


  544. jan says:

    Kerrey who is just recently tryna buy a House in Nebraska after living in NYC for over a decade?

  545. Rockefeller Republican says:

    553: jan, you cannot state that as fact. She darn near won last time. Romney will poll well in Nutmeg State.

  546. Rockefeller Republican says:

    My early Senate line: 55-R, 45-D

  547. Wes says:

    She lost 43-55 after outspending Blumy 7.5-1, Rock. That’s hardly “darn near winning.”

  548. Wes says:

    Kerrey is unlikely to run in Nebraska.

  549. Rockefeller Republican says:

    My early House line: 237-R, 198-D

  550. jan says:

    Anyone notice that all the Senate polling has been dominated by PPP in just about every competitive and open seat? This is likely to screw the outlook in the Democrats favor.

  551. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Kerrey would not go to trouble of buying house in NE if he werent running. Likely (D) hold.

  552. Wes says:

    Um, yeah, Rock. Just as it was a likely D hold last time when he was going to run. Then he became an Obama fanboy and had to face questions about a massacre in Vietnam. Suddenly he decided he didn’t want to be Senator again. Quite coincidental, I’m sure. Even so, he’d be facing Bruning or Heineman, neither of whom is no slouch in that heavilyR state. Go troll somewhere else.

  553. f9gopguyIN says:

    I’d like to make a quick shout out to my homestate and it’s governor Mitch Daniels for signing into law today Right to work legislation. It was a long time coming and quite a good way to move the state into the “right” direction.

  554. Wes says:

    Congrats to Governor Daniels, F9.

  555. Rockefeller Republican says:

    My early governors line: 30-R, 20-D

  556. marc says:

    The Democrats are scurrying to find someone to run against Allan West in my congressional district here in Northern Palm Beach and St. Lucie. But there isn’t any big names available and West has 6 million already in the bank. This is a D+1 district(Obama got 51% here).

  557. Diamond Jim says:

    563 I take it Daniels can’t be recalled, or the unions would have tried to remove him by now.

  558. Robbie says:

    383.I see the usual idiots robbie, chekote and grace are here to shill for Obama. What a team of losers.

    And then there is PPP-DKOS-SEIU that had Romney up by 6 in Florida among election day voters.

    Believe their Ohio trash poll at your own risk.

    Comment by jason — February 1, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

    I love being called a shill for Obama. Jason, you ought to be a comedian. You’re one funny guy.

  559. J T says:

    You are a shill Robbie. A concern troll to boot

  560. lisab says:

    Sugar should be regulated like alcohol, tobacco, commentary says

    (CBS) Should the government regulate sugar, just like it regulates alcohol and tobacco?

    A new commentary published online in the Feb. 1 issue of Nature says sugar is just as “toxic” for people as the other two, so the government should step in to curb its consumption.

    The United Nations announced in September that chronic diseases like heart disease, cancer, and diabetes contribute to 35 million deaths worldwide each year, according to the commentary. The U.N. pegged tobacco, alcohol, and diet as big risk factors that contributed to this death rate.

    Two of those are regulated by governments, “leaving one of the primary culprits behind this worldwide health crisis unchecked,” the authors, Robert H. Lustig, Laura A. Schmidt and Claire D. Brindis, argued.

  561. Polaris says:


    You post this (#570) and then wonder why Americans as a whole don’t seem to like the UN? Speaking only for myself, I don’t want some faceless unelected and unaccountable bureaucrat in Beijing telling me what I can and can not eat (or do).


  562. lisab says:

    the UN told the truth

    it is the usa that wants to regulate sugar, not the UN

    specifically san francisco researchers

  563. Polaris says:

    #572 Actually the UN has wanted to do a lot of things over the years, and two SAN FRANSICO researchers are not even close to being typical Americans. It’s this sort of thing that gives the UN (even if the UN is right) a bad name.


  564. Robbie says:

    Jason, JT

    Honestly, who the hell do the two of you think you are? Who died and made the two of enforcers of what is and is not allowed as opinion on this site? Did Dave empower the two of you to run roughshod over anyone who disagrees with you? If so Dave, please let me know.

    I’ve been around since 2004 and many of those who were here then have left because jerks like you have become internet tough guys. If you can’t handle opinions that aren’t 100% pro-Romney, then tough. I don’t really care, but you’re ruining the comment section for many people.

    Just because I thought, and still think, there are better options than Mitt Romney doesn’t mean I’m some sort of shill for Obama. What a childish way to act. What’s next? Are you going to hold your breath until everyone proclaims Mitt the best candidate ever?

    The sooner the two of you except you’re not hall monitors on this site, the better.

  565. Robbie says:

    I meant accept, not except.

  566. Polaris says:


    I share your qualms (at least many of them) w/r/t Romney. I also wish we had a better alternative, but the fact is we don’t. Right now about the only way Romney doesn’t win the GOP nomination at this point starts with “Little Green Men came out of the sky and….”

    Given that, those that oppose Obama would be best served by putting away the cutlery and doing the best with what we have. I don’t like that conclusion, but there it is.


  567. Pool Aires says:

    Hey guys, remember when I made that great prediction in 2008! Don’t worry though, picking a Republican to win the runoff in a Republican state definitely makes up for it!

    -Pool Aires

  568. Robbie says:


    The commenters on this site followed that same line of thinking in 2008 and everyone, not me, was shell shocked when Obama routed McCain. Pointing out the weaknesses of Romney and offering ways he can improve his standing is hardly bringing out the cutlery.

    I’ll be there to vote for Mitt in November, but the tough guys here need to realize if he doesn’t generate some momentum with the base voters, he’s not going to to win. We can’t beat something with nothing. Considering Obama’s weaknesses, Romney ought to have 5-10 point lead on him.

    If he’s not able to consolidate the base by May 1, I think he’s going to have a very tough go of it.

  569. Polaris says:

    #577 Why don’t you quit while you aren’t so far behind troll?


  570. Polaris says:

    #578 I don’t disagree necessarily, and if this were 12 or even 6 months ago, and a real alternative was available that was:

    1. Willing to run.
    2. Was able to run competantly.
    3. Was actually electable

    I’d have an entirely different take. Unfortunately, I don’t.


  571. Sigh says:

    Time and again the GOP keeps nominating Wilkies, Deweys and Alf Landon’s and now the latest Eastern Establishment clown Romney. Then the Polaris types of the world that assured us that McCain was a winner against Obama. When will you idiots ever learn from history?

  572. Sigh says:

    Not one of you of the legions of Romneybots here has the slightest degree of understanding of the concept of “electability”, so please, quit embarrassing yourselves.

  573. Polaris says:

    #581 Under normal election conditions, McCain should have been a winner against Obama. Just after Labour Day, McCain was holding a slender but firm 3pt edge on Obama.

    Of course with the Lehman Bros crash that sent the economy into a tailspin, all normal political bets were off. I made the mistake of assuming that the normal partian balances in the electorate would hold under those conditions, but they did not. I ALSO after the election carefully examined the results, admitted to my mistake, and I was one of the few that got the GA election right just a month later. I also was one of the first to correctly identify that millions of otherwise reliable GOP voters that ‘should’ have voted in 2008 in fact did not.


  574. TrueConservativesHateFreeEnterprise says:

    At this point Polaris you probably should just let comments like that go unresponded to

    Just my 2 cents

  575. Polaris says:

    Oh one more think. Don’t lump me in as a “Romneybot”. I was never terribly enthusiastic about Romney as many here on this site can tell you (it got contentious). However, I DO understand the value of folding a losing hand, and understanding that the only way to beat Obama is to have the opposiiton united against him….and this understanding is one reason I am particularly dissapointed with both Gingrich and Palin both of whom should know better.


  576. GF says:

    Polaris, don’t bother; you’ve mea culped enough. If the rocks don’t get it now, they never will. They are simply not worth explaining 1) your fair and thoroughly researched error nor 2) the concept of “electability” to.

  577. Polaris says:

    #584 You’re probably right….but like a lot of good advice it’s sometimes hard to follow.


  578. Brandon says:


    Donald Trump to endorse Newt Gingrich.

  579. Polaris says:

    #588 Geez. Breaking Donald Trump doubles down on stupid. I was never a fan of Donald Trump. Backing Gingrich (assuming this is accurate) is even dumber than normal for him IMHO.


  580. TrueConservativesHateFreeEnterprise says:

    Are you serious?

  581. Polaris says:

    #588-9: Unless of courst the “Trumpster” wants the GOP in Civil War mode for as long as possible…..and come to think of it, that’s entirely possible.


  582. janz says:

    I’m not surprised by Trump endorsing Gingrich. They are two egos who see eye-to-eye in a pod.

    Plus, Gingrich was one of two candidates who accepted Donald’s debate invite, and Donald never forgets who kisses his ring, let only a slight or a snub.

  583. Sigh says:


    It’s true the opposition (i.e. the GOP side) has to be united, but you cannot use a low contrast nominee in a contrast election with an incumbent with high negatives and a public looking for an excuse for an alternative who articulates the other side authentically and cogently. IOW, not Romney.

  584. TrueConservativesHateFreeEnterprise says:

    Romney is the nominee get over it go troll somewhere else

  585. Polaris says:

    #593: All those things applied to Sen Kerry as well in 2004 and he came damn close to winning anyway and the economy was entirely in favor of GWB at the time. I am not saying you’re wrong. What I am saying is that it’s far from hopeless and the best bet those that oppose Obama have right now is to put away the cutlery and get behind Romney (even if you have to hold your nose doing so) because Obama is worse.


  586. 593-I am not a long time poster and really am not aware of Polaris’ history here, so i am not defending him. i will only ask the same question that I ask of anyone critical of another candidate.

    You don’t like Romney. If not Romney then who do you suggest?

  587. Marv says:


    What is Gov Perry’s current political standing in Texas? If he is in negative territory, have you seen an evidence of his efforts to repair the damage, if any?

  588. Bitterlaw says:

    574.Jason, JT

    Honestly, who the hell do the two of you think you are? Who died and made the two of enforcers of what is and is not allowed as opinion on this site?
    – Robbie

    Yeah, Jason and JT. You mf-ers never put in the hours that MD and I do. WTF? I respect you but you haven’t even earned a cool nickname like the Philly A-holes.

  589. Polaris says:

    #597 I haven’t kept track of local (Texas) numbers as much as I’d like to, but while Perry took a big hit, I still think he’s above water (50% JA or more is IMO above water) and remember the state of the Dem party in Texas (dysfunctional and that hasn’t changed at all).

    Perry’s been hurt, but he has time to recover I think. However, he won’t be able to duck any more debates for state races. Not after what his opposition saw happened to him on the POTUS Stump. Given that, Perry needs to bone up on his delivery and general campaigning skills pronto (esp his debating and interviewing skills). I think he’s now considered vulnerable where he wasn’t before.


  590. pitchaboy says:

    Romney needs to cut the crap about looking after the middle class. He is sounding like a democrat and Obama will kick his butt if he continues in this vein. Be a conservative and talk about lifting the entire nation up.

  591. Sigh says:


    Electability has been touted for DECADES by the usual suspects in the GOP east coast country club elite set.

    For AGES.

    The track record of their wished for candidates, sadly, rarely matches the self confidence of their theories, which are not even based on fact and worse, fails to consider that “winning” with a non-true believer is automatically a loss for one’s side. Of course, ask liberal Wilkie and his soon vanishing “clubs” in 1940:

    Or ask Dewey or Alf Landon or McCain, insert your favorite moderate/liberal here. They all lose, AND betray us.

    Try reading this:

    Or even this:

    Now, I am *not* a Newt backer, but one the same reaction to Santorum would apply even though the 2 are actually fairly far apart in make up.

    How come you guys never learn from history?

    Even Goldwater’s loss in many respects resides with the moderates refusing to back him even on the floor of the Cow Palace in ’64, while always expecting even hard right conservatives in the party to support their selections!

  592. Marv says:

    #599 Polaris,

    Thanks. I doubt that Gov Perry will run for state office again. I expect that he will run for the Presidency in 2016 if Obama wins in 2012.

  593. Polaris says:

    #601 If it were up to me, Romney would not be the nominee, but baring Green Aliens from Space he will be. Given that, as was already asked, Who do you suggest? (That is actually running and/or reasonably willing to run)

    Unless you can answer that, your best bet is to stop carping and unite the opposition.


  594. Polaris says:

    #602 If he does, Gov Perry had better be a lot better prepared than he was this time becuase he will be hammered not only for what he may or may not do in 2016, but for his mis-steps in 2011.


  595. Marv says:


    I hope that the Phillies are beset with terrible luck for the entire season. What do you think of that?

  596. Bobby says:

    Local station in NV reporting that….I’d wait on a major network

  597. Polaris says:

    #605 Marv, you are a bad, bad man. 😀


  598. Marv says:

    #604 Polaris,

    If Perry runs in 2016, I expect that he will have a set of policy prescriptions that he could recite in his sleep. I also expect that he will begin debate prep, figuratively, on Wed morning, 7 Nov 12.

    If he runs again, I fully expect that he will be prepared. He was pretty solid during the last 8 or 9 debates and forums, but it was too late.

  599. Bitterlaw says:

    Marv – I am glad that you have returned to being a cranky old mf-er. Your pathetic performance as a concubine for Governor Perry made me sad. Be yourself, you magnificent bastard!

  600. addisonst says:

    Bitter its bull sixer right now. I expect the bull to lose tonight but that will not mitigate your right smack talk. Conversely be prepared to cry like a girl if the Bull wins.

  601. Polaris says:

    #608 Indeed. The problem is that first impressions are lasting impressions, and once you’re thought of as the fool (right or not), it’s a perception that’s almost impossible to reverse (because no one takes you seriously anymore). That’s the steep hill that Perry has to climb in 2016, and I’m not sure he can. In a lot of ways, Perry was “Quayled” to death in 2011 (and much of that was self-inflicted I am sorry to say).


  602. MD says:

    Marv – forget it. Perry just isn’t POTUS material. Seems like a nice guy but he isn’t prepared for that type of race. I know people from Texas who tell me they voted for him but don’t understand why he ran.

    Anyway, what the heck is going on today that merits more than 600 posts?

  603. lisab says:

    gingrich is trying to make the florida primary proportinal

  604. Polaris says:

    #612 Not much. The big news was that Romney had a case of “foot and mouth” disease this morning with insufficient message control making it look like he “hates” poor people. Inaccurate but that’s the MSM for you….


  605. lisab says:

    “Anyway, what the heck is going on today that merits more than 600 posts?”

    bitter trolls

  606. MD says:

    611 – I agree with that. I gave him a shot and tried to ignore MFG. In the end, I couldn’t. I decided he wasn’t the right candidate even before the oops moment.

    However implausible Perry was, Jeb Bush was even more so. For anyone to think that someone with the last name of Bush could win in 12 was just insane.

  607. Polaris says:

    #615 …with a twist of lime, lisab. Can’t forget that! 🙂


  608. lisab says:

    face it,

    women voters abandoned gingrich for a younger and prettier candidate

  609. Bitterlaw says:

    In honor of tonight’s Bulls-76ers game:

    The top 10 Dunks of the the Doctor:

  610. Marv says:


    The faithful never give up and never give in. It’s the Alamo mentality…….which was followed, as we all know, by San Jacinto.

  611. Polaris says:

    #618 Well by that standard, Perry had a lot going for him. Seriously have you met the man in person? If Gov Perry doesn’t have a concoubine or two, it’s not because of his looks…and I’ll leave it at that.

    [Yes as far as I know, Perry’s life is perfectly moral and he is a devoted husband….just commenting on his looks.]


  612. Bitterlaw says:

    Add – It would be so devastating if the Sixers lost to a clearly better team. I don’t know how I could handle it.

  613. Marv says:

    I’m going for dinner…..see you MoFo’s later.

    Bitterlaw……screw the Phillies and all their rude and obnoxious fans.

  614. MD says:

    613 – He can try to make the earth flat as well but that ain’t happening either.

    As for the poor thing I thought he said that a while ago. Whatever. Class warfare from the right and left. It will be the keystone of Obama’s strategy.

  615. Bitterlaw says:

    Marv – the problem for Perry is that he was in the Alamo. He’s not coming back. You are headed off into Bunu territory. Does Perry have a child in politics? Snap out of it!

  616. Polaris says:

    #624 I thought it was this morning (poor comment). Certainly the first I heard of it being reported was this morning. Regardless, it plays right into Obama’s class warfare strategy which is why I wish Romney showed better message displine there and watched his words. Just saying.


  617. MD says:

    Bitter – yea, Chicago and Miami in the east are a step above the Sixers still. In the west, OKC looks like a true contender this year.

  618. Polaris says:

    #626 Message Discipline I mean.


  619. Bitterlaw says:

    MD – Jason and JT are developing a reputation as the enforcers here. I think you need to step it up.

  620. The Donald says:

    Newt and I had a long talk. I’m going to let you political junkies in on our plan. I’m going to assist Newt significantly financially by contributing 10 million to his PAC. Newt is going to give me the VP slot (that won’t be made public until much much later and obviously only if he wins).

    My first role will be to play attack dog on Mitt. Wait till ya see me in action. So, don’t count old Newtie out just yet as the Donald is about to bigfoot Romney.

    Watch and see.

  621. addisonst says:

    Chicago owns philly in 3 of 4 sports. we can’t even work up a good hatred bc philly teams have rarely hurt us. That one nfl playoff game in chicago that philly won is it. Jordan used to clown barkley annually on the way to detroit. And the beloved has destroyed the birds annually for several years now

  622. lisab says:

    “Well by that standard, Perry had a lot going for him. ”

    he ruined his looks by the over-the-top broadcasting of his religious views

  623. MD says:

    Polaris – I agree with that but they will just make something up if all else fails. I am prepared for that.

    Bitter – funny, I was thinking of Davy Crockett in the Alamo. A great song was written about him but he was still dead. Therefore, he probably didn’t enjoy it.

  624. Polaris says:

    #632 Now you’re being picky, lisab. I thought you appreciated a man with good looks 😀


  625. addisonst says:

    Bitter the bulls are injured and on a long road trip.I don’t expect to win.

  626. MD says:

    629 – Bitter,

    They can have it. I am exhausted from years of service in that role. Someone else can have a turn for a year or two.

  627. lisab says:

    El Centro, CA: 26.8% unemployment rate!

  628. lisab says:

    Obama planning to release Taliban leaders..

  629. Brandon says:

    Hawes needs to get back at ASAP.

  630. MD says:

    10, 9, 8, 76ers!

  631. Bitterlaw says:

    Even better – dancing cartoon Converse high tops!

  632. addisonst says:

    Polaris, Texas had a monster class. They are going to surprise next year.

  633. MD says:


    Will he give them bomb vests as going away gifts as well?

  634. Polaris says:

    #643 I know. The local sports radio stations have been all over it. Mac Brown really cleaned up this year. Of course I still want to see better QB play, but I think Texas will be back to competing for the Big 12 title if not this next year (which I hope) then certainly the year after that (at worst). Remarkable given the almost complete overhaul mandated by Coach Brown himself just a year ago.


  635. Polaris says:

    #645 Why not, and may as well through in an alarm clock and two complementary sticks of dynamite to go with it!


  636. lisab says:

    “Now you’re being picky, lisab. I thought you appreciated a man with good looks”

    i do

    but when he pens his mouth he becomes a whole lot uglier

    if only he did not speak

  637. MD says:

    Davy Crockett was also from Tennessee. Of course, back then, only Mexicans were actually born in Texas and there weren’t many of them either. I feel like the current immigration policies are giving Texas back to Mexico inch by inch. Just saying.

  638. MD says:


    I was thinking that Michelle could provide a remote detonator. The least we could do.

  639. The Donald says:

    I’m going on Rush’s show this coming Monday. Romney won’t know what hit him.On Tuesday, I’ll follow up with a segment on BOR. I’ll paint Romney as a bigger flip flopper than Kerry and more moderate than John McCain. The BASE will get all fired up for Newt!

  640. Polaris says:

    #650 I think she left it in the Lincoln bedroom.


  641. The Donald says:

    I heard Michelle buys her lingerie from Parachutes or Us, they have her size.

  642. MD says:

    Will he question Romney’s birth certificate?

  643. Polaris says:

    #649 Don’t forget various tribes of Comanches. They were (technically) born in Texas too although they certainly didn’t see it that way….


  644. MD says:


    Yea, the indians all got screwed in the end, everywhere. Of course, they spent centuries killing each other as well but that seems to be lost to history. One would think they were totally peaceful before the evil white man arrived. Some tribes were but the majority were not.

  645. The Donald says:

    Joseph Smith found the golden tablets in palmyra ny. where are they now ? that should be investigated.

  646. MD says:

    Steve Young is a direct descendant of Brigham Young.

    Relates to nothing. Just some useless trivia.

  647. The Donald says:

    how many wives did romney’s great gandfather have ?

  648. addisonst says:

    New thread iceholes.

  649. The Donald says:

    when did mormons let blacks into the church ?

  650. Bitterlaw says:

    MD – the myth of the peaceful Indian is shattered by one cold hard fact. The reason that there are Indians (yeah, not pc) in South America is because they got their asses kicked by tougher Indians and driven south.

  651. Polaris says:

    #656 What happened to the Indians was pretty much inevitable unfortunately. It was the completely expected result when a more populous, agressive, united, and technologically advanced society meets one that is far less so. The various Indian Tribes quite honestly never stood a chance. That’s harsh but unfortunately, nature is harsh….and we see it in other natural pocessess to. There is no balance of nature. Just ask the Dinosaurs.


  652. El Diablo! says:

    660- That’s not fair! I’ve been waiting around for my number!

  653. El Diablo! says:

    Fine, I’ll do it myself!

  654. El Diablo! says:

    El Diablo!


  655. El Diablo's Higher Brother! says:

    #667 – Good will always defeat Evil, as long as there are men willing to give their lives!