Santorum Better Against Obama Than Romney
So far it is only Scott Rasmussen that seems to be showing this, but if more polls come out showing Rick Santorum doing better against Barack Obama than Mitt Romney, Romney is going to start to rapidly lose his electability argument.
President Obama runs slightly ahead of Mitt Romney and dead even with Rick Santorum in Rasmussen Reports’ first Election 2012 look at the key battleground state of Ohio.A new telephone survey of Likely Voters in the state finds Obama earning 45% support to Romney’s 41%.
In typical Rasmussen fashion, he decided to bury the actual polling numbers for Santorum/Obama behind the paywall. This poll was done February 8th among 500 likely voters.
sure he is
Twists and turns!
Santorum is a RINO!! He backed the most hated RINO Arlen Specter over Toomey
“I only know one romney supporter that is pro-romneycare and that is lisab.”
what is not to like?
if you can afford health insurance, you have to buy it.
if you cannot afford health insurance, yu get it subsidized or free.
Go Santorum!
Off topic but Here is one for the Totally
Clueless department. I get an e-mail from
sen. Bill Nelson (D) FL espousing how
important it was that he called for an
investigation into the TSA . OK ,I think
maybe they are gonna look at some of this passenger harassment . NO, his investigation is on Sexism and
Bigotry inside the TSA . Plus discrimination by supervisors against rank and file. This guy Is totally Clueless .
http://email.capitolhillnewsonline.com/q/2gcYoKC4w4FF60stSdKfxS-0BnxkbMR2jk7g4wSg-gF0cViQZKk0YD9lb
“Many of the same states’ rights advocates who supported the historical rights of states to protect slavery (even when they say slavery was wrong) do not support the right of a state to pass Romneycare. Discuss” Bitterlaw
yeah! you are not taking our health insurance!
it is massachusetts’ peculiar institution
“Forcing someone to buy health insurance or pay a fine violates the individual’s freedom. The less government the better.”
the state is required by law to pay for a sick person’s health care
so we require everyone to get health insurance t pay for it themselves if they can
Amerister, I think Mack has a good chance to take him out. Nelson has never run against a good GOP Candidate before. McCollum and Harris were pretty bad
“”You can’t avoid the health insurance mandate unless you are dead.”
you can refuse to work
or
move
A good read in Hot Air.
We need Santorum! He does better in Ohio than Romney!
Last Thread -Diogenes…I appreciated what you posted and felt it true and encouraging.
PA poll:
GOP Primary:
Santorum: 30%
Romney: 29%
Gingrich: 13%
Paul: 09%
Romney/Obama: 45/43
Obama/Santorum: 47/43
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_780699.html
#11…thank for the info Janz.
The survey of 600 voters, conducted Feb. 2-6, could foreshadow good news for other Illinois Democrats come November.
56% Obama
35% Romney
58% Obama
30% Gingrich
Overall, 53 percent of Illinois voters approve of the job Obama has done as president compared with 40 percent who disapprove.
http://www.wgntv.com/news/ct-met-0209-obama-poll-20120210,0,1888691.story
181. From the previous thread.
Nahh…. only trolls are called trolls. Nobody calls Tim or Kory trolls, they are regulars with differing opinions. Bunu is not called a troll.
Other non-Romney supporters are not called trolls.
Wobbie is a concern troll. Rockefeller Troll also.
#170 GF — previous thread
Good news about the RTW laws being so popular in MN. Maybe that could translate into a viable campaign issue in the GE for whomever is the republican nominee.
According to RCP, the Ras numbers are:
Barry: 44%
Santorum: 44%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_santorum_vs_obama-3063.html
No other poll will show Santorum leading Obama. Rasmussen numbers don’t always match up. He’ll come out with a polling next showing Romney up over Obama and Santroum down.
4.“I only know one romney supporter that is pro-romneycare and that is lisab.”
what is not to like?
if you can afford health insurance, you have to buy it.
if you cannot afford health insurance, yu get it subsidized or free.
-lisab,
What if you are really rich, and want to pay cash, so that you can take the money you have to use for insurance and put it towards something else?
Or maybe you are 25 years old, are trying to start your own business, and that money you have to buy insurance with could be used to buy better equipment or hire another worker?
The system does not lower costs, taxes will keep rising, and the number of opportunities may be lessened in the future. How are those good things?
So Romney does better than Santorum (who is on a high) in his home state.
Let’s go with Santorum, and irritate the RINOS.
17.181. From the previous thread.
Nahh…. only trolls are called trolls. Nobody calls Tim or Kory trolls, they are regulars with differing opinions. Bunu is not called a troll.
Other non-Romney supporters are not called trolls.
Wobbie is a concern troll. Rockefeller Troll also.
-Thank You, Honored Guest!
18- I’ll repost here since it was at the tail end:
First WI, then IN, now MN is next! Someone should talk to the OH GOP and show them how it is done.
(From WSJ)
Republicans in St. Paul are pushing for Minnesota to become the newest right-to-work state. State Rep. Steve Drazkowski and state Sen. Dave Thompson proposed a bill last week that would allow Minnesotans to vote in November on a constitutional amendment giving employees the freedom to choose whether they want to join a union.
Putting the amendment to a vote means Democratic Gov. Mark Dayton won’t have a chance to veto it. The Republican-controlled House and Senate used this tactic last year when putting another constitutional amendment on the ballot defining marriage as “the union between one man and one woman.” But it’s unclear whether the “employee freedom” amendment will make it through the legislature.
Rep. Drazkowski told me he saw a lot of enthusiasm and unity among House Republicans for the bill — especially following Indiana’s recent right-to-work victory. Yet political operatives I spoke with seemed to think the bill might run into roadblocks from some GOP lawmakers who accepted campaign contributions from unions.
That’s good news for Mr. Dayton. The Star Tribune reported that he announced his opposition to the bill at a fundraiser last week. “And these people, they’re just hell-bent on their own agenda,” the governor explained. “They don’t even take the bills up with anybody else, not the DFLers” — the state affiliate of the Democratic Party — “not me. They just ram them through so they can go home and they think somehow that’s going to appeal to the people of Minnesota. Well, I know the people of Minnesota better than that.”
Except he doesn’t. A Public Opinion Strategies poll taken in December found that 73% of Minnesota voters would favor a right-to-work constitutional amendment. The same poll even found 69% of union households in support of one. And so long as Republicans don’t cave to union political pressure, the amendment will almost certainly be ratified by the people of Minnesota.
Comment by GF — February 9, 2012 @ 12:23 pm
#14, man I WANT to believe those Romney v. Barry Pennsylvania numbers….but I can’t bring myself to do it.
PA is a pipe dream until the vote totals tell me otherwise on Election Day.
” if you cannot afford health insurance, yu get it subsidized or free.”
Why stop there? Let’s have free food, free transportation, free housing, free education, free vacations, free love.
“And Santorum is not strange and odd and unelectable because of his “beliefs”. It’s because of his record.”
well the dead baby story is odd
#24, Minny won’t vote for a Repub President anyway, so they have nothing to lose in putting it out there.
“Why stop there? Let’s have free food, free transportation, free housing, free education, free vacations, free love.”
we already have those
29. You have an address for the last one?
lisab as the typical socialist, loves free goodies as long as someone else pays for them.
#29 – someone IS PAYING for them, lisab.
16. Ben Romney, that is a newspaper poll by the tribune in Chicago. Garbage with a very high Dem sample.
the tribune had Mark Kirk losing on election day 2010.
In the previous thread, it wa sasked what price Mitt would be willing to pay Paul for his delegates if they were needed to put him over the top. I say Mitt should appoint Paul to the Fed. What say you?
30.29. You have an address for the last one?
-Good one!
ben romney is another troll anyways
#30 John 3:16
34.In the previous thread, it wa sasked what price Mitt would be willing to pay Paul for his delegates if they were needed to put him over the top. I say Mitt should appoint Paul to the Fed. What say you?
-Shake and Bake!
36.ben romney is another troll anyways
-And you are an Honored Guest?
25. I live in PA, Obama is really not that popular here. At the barn raisings nobody likes him.
ben romney is benny from Germany I think. Not a troll.
“What if you are really rich, and want to pay cash, so that you can take the money you have to use for insurance and put it towards something else?”
no, but you can buy a high deductible health plan
“Or maybe you are 25 years old, are trying to start your own business, and that money you have to buy insurance with could be used to buy better equipment or hire another worker?”
no, these are exactly the people who used to get sick without health insurance and end up costing the state tens of thousands when they got ill
“the typical socialist, loves free goodies as long as someone else pays for them.”
every worker has to pay for them
our state, our rules
” I say Mitt should appoint Paul to the Fed. ”
I would make him Ambassador to Gaza.
I can’t help but think that PA poll is more representative of the GE, since those are the people who know Santorum best.
” every worker has to pay for them ”
I thought you said it was subsidized or free.
I would also say I am pleasantly surprised Santorum is that close in the poll given what I said in #45.
39. No mike , but you are the MC. For a so called hard line Conservative, you sure spend a lot of time with the Trolls and polls here
subsidized or free, paid for by the workers
it is also very popular.
if some day it becomes unpopular, we can always vote it out.
but right now, it is overwhelmingly supported by the electorate
Right Jason it is Benny from Berlin. He surfs looking for any poll he can find
We just need to keep our eye on the ball and remember where Santorum would poll against Obama, if he were the nominee and the poll was in late October, after Rick was fully vetted and known to the voters. Right now Rick is “Generic Republican” to most people who answer a poll. Romney is already fully vetted and known to the voters. His numbers against Obama can stick, Rick’s cannot.
“The Church? The Church is not one particular religion”
well, the Christian church is the rmana catholic church and some orthodox
the rest just make stuff up as they go along
The new Romney focus: Rick Santorum went to Washington and never came back.
Apparently Romney thinks can’t go after Santorum on social issues, but rather will have to gain traction against him in depicting him as a person to be leery of with America’s purse strings.
#51 Good way of looking at Santorum right now, as simply the “generic republican.”
“Giselle isn’t allowed within 20 yards of me. Crazy lady Comment by Barrett ”
yeah
that is why gisele is not with you
“in his era there was either due to his doing or with his blessing. With an 85% democratic legislature to work with, oftentimes he had no choice, as his vetoes were readily and often overridden.”
everything but his spending cuts
he actually got the dems to let him have emergency cutting powers
and then cut
no, these are exactly the people who used to get sick without health insurance and end up costing the state tens of thousands when they got ill
-LISAB,
If someone goes in without insurance, they get a bill. If they can’t pay right away, a payment plan is set up. If they ignore the bill, a lien is placed. In some instances, personal bankruptcy has been declared, in which case certain parties lose out. Is this correct? Maybe someone else can set me straight if I am not.
but bankruptcy does not help the hospital
it just encourages people to spend everything they have and carry no insurance.
now, they are required to carry insurance if they can afford it.
48.39. No mike , but you are the MC. For a so called hard line Conservative, you sure spend a lot of time with the Trolls and polls here
-J T,
Not sure what an MC is, and didn’t realize I was a hard line Conservative (I might be, but don’t think I labeled myself as such), and yes, I probably do spend TOO MUCH time here, but in general, not just with the Trolls and polls. Thank You for noticing!
Roger Simon on Romney being dazed and confused.
Gallup tracking
Mitt 36 (-1)
Rick 20 (+3)
Newt 20 (-1)
Paul 10 (-2)
So santorum is gaining, but at the expense of Paul and Newt, not Romney so much.
“The power to decide whether or not to use contraception lies with a woman, not her boss,” Sen. Gillibrand said.
I absolutely agree. The Church is not taking the power from women. It just doesn’t want to pay for it. I agree. You can pop birth control pills like tic tacs and wash it down with whisky for all I care. If you hate working for the Catholic Church, then go work somewhere else. If I took a job working for an Orthodox Synagogue, I wouldn’t demand that they stop serving kosher food or that they put a crucifix on every wall.
lisab,
Bankruptcy doesn’t really benefit anyone, my point was it is a last resort.
My opinion on Romneycare is not a concrete one, as I can see the arguments made by Romney (state wants it) and by others like Mark Levin (why does Romney, the businessman, think that Romneycare is the best way to go?). Your statement about things being FREE is just ridiculous, which prompted my questions.
#52…Lisab…Sorry, my dear, you are incorrect.
It is no specific denomination. It is made up of believers all over the world. Only the Lord knows who they are because He alone knows a person’s heart.
Imagine having Gillibrand and Schumer as your Senators! Ay dios mio!
Gidget is doing a great job of playing a liberal. You would have never known she first campaigned has a “moderate”.
PA is a pipe dream until the vote totals tell me otherwise on Election Day.
Comment by Waingro — February 9, 2012 @ 12:42 pm
Should I get the vote totals for Senator Toomey and Governor Corbett? Pennsylvania is possible to win but only when the issues are economic issues and not abortion.
lisab probably believes in “government money”.
“Bankruptcy doesn’t really benefit anyone, my point was it is a last resort.”
yes, but in massachusetts it was common for families to be wiped out financially by an unexpected illness or accident — losing their homes and such
especially by small business people who tried to get by without health insurance
“It is no specific denomination.”
nope, you are wrong
one true church
the rest are heathens
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/02/republican-military-hero-first-female-to-command-fighter-squadron-will-run-for-az-seat-left-open-by-gabby-giffords/
-NY gets Gillibrand, Arizona may get this woman, who may be too good to be true! Especially in Giffords seat.
h/t Instapundit
Can we stop talking about Massachusetts? It hasn’t mattered since 1775.
“Your statement about things being FREE is just ridiculous, which prompted my questions.”
it is free to the person who cannot afford it
the taxpayers pay for it
and romneycare is popular here
our state, our rules
“It hasn’t mattered since 1775.”
tell that to the vancouver canucks
On the last thread, it was posted:
According to the Associated Press, the current Delegate tally is:
Romney 112, Santorum 72, Gingrich 32, Paul 9
This means that Romney is 1 delegate short of a majority. (Santorum+Gingrich+Paul = 113 > Romney)
Suppose, just suppose, that the rest of the GOP nominating process continues at this same pace. Then, as they go into the Convention, Romney has about 49% of the delegates, just short of what he needs for the nomination. What would happen then?
A scary thought: Under that above scenario, I can see the evil Ron Paul trying to play kingmaker, offering his SeigHeil delegates to Romney — for a price. What price? To you Romney supporters, what price would you be willing to let Mitt pay to Mr. Paul? A prime speaking spot at the Convention? A cabinet position? (Secretary of the Treasury?) The VP nomination?
(I think I just caused Bunu to have an orgasm.)
gotta run
later
” why does Romney, the businessman, think that Romneycare is the best way to go?”
Maybe because he governed a state of lisabs who believe everything is free?
The Romneycare that passed was not his version of course. That is never mentioned how many vetoes were overridden. I guess that does not fit the narrative.
And Romney does not believe Romneycare is the way to go, he has repeatedly stated that it’s not a national model.
“I only know one romney supporter that is pro-romneycare and that is lisab.”
Also Ann Coulter.
69.“Bankruptcy doesn’t really benefit anyone, my point was it is a last resort.”
yes, but in massachusetts it was common for families to be wiped out financially by an unexpected illness or accident — losing their homes and such
especially by small business people who tried to get by without health insurance
-lisab,
Maybe if there were not so many mandates on what the insurance companies had to cover, a small business could get cheap catastrophic health insurance. But in most places, those kind of policies do not exist.
I don’t think Santorum has 72 delegates.
Almost all the super delegates support Romney, so I don’t see where Santorum gets to 72.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/republican_delegate_count.html
Ann Coulter supports Romney, but Romneycare?
Glad to see Rasmussen step up and finally start doing some state polling. Way behind from the output in 2008. There are so many key states where we have almost no polling yet.
#81, jason: http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2012/02/01/three_cheers_for_romneycare/page/full/
Bitter, how big a factor are the keystone pipeline and anti-fracking battles in the recent Quaker state polling, do you think?
Some Good news in New Mexico.
Hotline
Lt Gov Sanchez will drop out of the GOP Primary for Senate. Gives clear path to Heather Wilson
Santorum / Specter will be the ticket
#86, LOL.
IN and maybe MN rtw? Hmmmm
How Much Momentum Did Santorum Get?
“I think we’ve got to be careful not to read too much into [Tuesday's wins],” Trey Hardin, a Republican strategist, told The Daily Caller. “The turnout was so low. So little money was spent in all those states. And yes, Rick Santorum deserved the win, but …what does that win really say? That win says that he competed stronger in a state that other people didn’t really compete in,” Hardin said.
However, the wins should help him in terms of fundraising, Hardin added. Indeed, Santorum advisor Hogan Gidley told MSNBC on Wednesday that they were seeing three-times the amount of money rolling in as they did after the Iowa caucus. The influx of donors increased especially right after Santorum delivered his victory speech,
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/08/just-how-much-momentum-can-santorum-get-from-tuesdays-triple-win/#ixzz1lubn4FfB
Why is MT not right to work?
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/09/fantastic-china-canada-reach-quick-deals-on-oil-uranium/
canada wasnt bluffing.
I voted for Specter over Toomey in the primary. Why? Because Toomey campaigned as a firebreathing Social Conservative who thought that abortion was the most important issue that voters cared about. I thought he would lose to the Democrat. At that time, Specter was not the evil Specter. Sure, he was against Bork but he was probably the main reason that Clarence Thomas was confirmed because of the way he eviscerated Anita Hill. Specter was probably a 70% conservative compared to the 110% Democrat he beat. Hindsight is always 20/20.
I’m checking in from my cubicle at the DNC. Or am I checking in from my desk inside the Ron Paul campaign? I’m sorry. It’s difficult for me to remember where my allegiances are. One week, I’m a Paulbot and the next I’m a concerned troll from the DNC.
You can understand it’s hard for me to keep it all straight. Hopping back and forth between socialism and libertarianism can be like jet lag. Fortunately, I can always count on the two veteran Republican operatives, Jason and JT, to tell me who I’m really for in this race.
Cue the Widdle Wobbie in 3 – 2 – 1!
#92, Toomey, although quiet, has seemed to do a great job so far espousing fiscal conservative principles in the Senate.
It also appears as if he’s toned down the SoCon rhetoric that helped him in the Repub primary.
Let’s hope he stays in that seat for years to come.
Wain – if 2010 Toomey had run against Specter in 2004, he would have gotten my vote.
Specter had like a 60 ACU rating before he switched parties. THen he had like a 0 ACU rating. THe man sold out his principles for power and ended up without either. His vote did force Obamacare through though and that will be his pathetic footnote in history ala Benedict Arnold.
“I think we’ve got to be careful not to read too much into [Tuesday's wins],” Trey Hardin, a Republican strategist, told The Daily Caller. “The turnout was so low. So little money was spent in all those states.”
Comment by SUSYQUE — February 9, 2012 @ 1:52 pm
But Santorum made a VERY good point, regarding the money. Mitt Romney has not won anywhere if he didn’t outspend his opponents by a 5-to-1 (or bigger) margin. CAN Romney win if he isn’t able to carpet bomb his main opponent? This is important, as he will not have the spending advantage versus Obama.
Dio – Senator Hoeffel would have been worse.
Obama approval at 49% at Gallup today.
97 – Romney has to spend money combating the bogus narrative that the other two clowns are conservative and romney is not. In essence, Santorum and Gingrich get free advertising from the msm. Uniformed Santorum and Gingrich votes turn to romney once romney spends the money to get his message out.
You are a Obama supporter Robbie, and a concern troll. You have been for years at HHR. You were just awful in 2010 with your typical glooming also.
MD and Wes knew you were a troll too.
Be gone!
Uniformed Santorum and Gingrich votes
-Do you have to wear a sweater vest that is too small?
concern troll = Honored Guest??
Will MD and/or Wes come back to confirm? Will Santorum revert to speaking about contraception?
Join us next time, same Trollish time, same Trollish channel!
Mike you seriously do not even know what MC means?
105.Mike you seriously do not even know what MC means?
-I haven’t give it much thought, to be honest. I figured if I kept coming back here, eventually I would figure it out. Either way, it really doesn’t affect my existence, so why worry about it. You could tell me, or keep it a secret. Suit yourself.
Lt. Gov John Sanchez quitting NM senate race.
Mike, do you live in the City or the Catskills?
If he lived in the Catskills, he would named Shecky, not Mike. Zing!
Obama is @50% in Rasmussen today and he’s tied with Santorum in Ohio and losing to Romney in Pennsylvania! Once the primaries are over, the gop will unite. Obama isn’t that strong on the state level.
Oh Lord!!!!!
Joe Miller sets sights on 2014
http://www.politico.com/blogs/david-catanese/2012/02/joe-miller-sets-sights-on-114013.html
Doing my weekly check-in. It would appear that the Santorum sweep benefits Romney. Newt’s not going anywhere. The Anti-Romneys are even more fractured – advantage Romney. Once these winner take all states start voting, Mitt should roll.
J T,
Now this is getting interesting. I live in one of the boros here in NYC, if you must know. The Catskills are beautiful, though, own some land near the border with MASS and Conn, those are the Berkshires, I think. You have me sitting on the edge of my seat waiting to find out!! Do tell!
If you go to RCP, Obama was a LOT more popular last year at this point than today. In fact, his popularity (+ approvals) persisted until April.
Calmate folks.
11. Hopefully Gov Parnell will be running for Seante that year, Jan
109.If he lived in the Catskills, he would named Shecky, not Mike. Zing!
-Once we get gambling up there, you’ll call me Chief Makealottamoney!
I think im probably closest to the catskills of anyone here. Which reminds me, TAP NY beerfest at Hunter Mountain coming up in a couple months. Best beer gathering in the state.
I always get a big smile on my face when I’m told I’m some sort of Obama plant. I just love it because it shows how immature so many are that any criticism of their guy makes the commenter an evil and nefarious sort.
I’ve been around this site since 2004 and my check book shows contributions to GWB, Fred Thompson, McCain, Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul, Rubio, Toomey, and Ted Cruz in this cycle. I even walked the precincts for Ann Northup in 2006.
I’ve done all this, according to JT and Jason, because I needed to burnish my image as a concerned troll. I love it! I was the biggest supporter of Jeb running, but I’m an Obama lover! Figure that one out.
One thing I’m not is cheerleader. When it looked grim in 2006, I said so. When it looked good in 2010, I predicted gains of 45 in the House and 6 in the Senate. I was gloomy about COD, Angle, and Buck though. Anyone who says I was gloomy about 2010 is lying, plain and simple.
Now, I must get back to work pushing for Ron Paul and Obama.
MD and Wes knew you were a troll too.
Be gone!
Comment by J T — February 9, 2012 @ 2:35 pm
Well, that settles it. If a couple of faceless names back you up, then I’ve been had. Oh God, I hope the DNC doesn’t fire me. Maybe the Paulbots will bring me on fulltime.
BS Robbie.
119. Did we hit a nerve Robbie? You finally your trolling gig has been exposed?
#117 – You have been to that TAP NY before? You enjoyed it?
118. Robbie, did you read that from the standard DNC typeface?
I have no quarrel with you Mike, but I am a Troll Hunter, and do not apologize for it.
” This is important, as he will not have the spending advantage versus Obama.”
Right, so let’s nominate someone with even less money versus Obama.
Brilliant.
Well, that settles it. If a couple of faceless names back you up, then I’ve been had. – Robbie
I hate to point out that the faceless names are as legitimate as claims of writing checks to Republicans. Without the cancelled checks, it has no evidentiary value.
I don’t think Parnell is term limited yet. Plus would he even be interested anyway.
Robbie,
If you get a big smile, why do you feel like you have to justify yourself by publicizing all of your donations and volunteer work? You are acting like Johnny Fontaine in the Godfather, when Brando grabs him and says “you can act like a man!”.
I hate to point out that the faceless names are as legitimate as claims of writing checks to Republicans. Without the cancelled checks, it has no evidentiary value.
-Dang lawyers! What was it that Shakespeare said!!??
Wobbie is a concern troll.
Concern trolls always squeal like stuck pigs when outed.
I am surprised he didn’t say he gets Tea Party junk mail.
” I even walked the precincts for Ann Northup in 2006.”
I walked the precincts for Warren Harding myself. And Thomas Dewey.
I did. I wrote it in a blog. Has to be true.
Marco, those numbers are wrong. The AP mistook a few of the states as winner take all when they were not. Real Clear Politics has what I believe are the correct numbers.
124.I have no quarrel with you Mike, but I am a Troll Hunter, and do not apologize for it.
-And I guess you still won’t tell me what MC is? I thought my flippant, uncaring attitude would get you to divulge that information. Dang psychologists don’t know anything!
Bitterlaw, given the evidence presented so far, did Wobbie walk the streets for Ann Northrup or did jason beat the pavement for Warren Harding.
Pro-bono opinion please.
122 – i have always had something going on and have never been able to make it to TAP. But a bunch of my friends have gone and all agree its a great beerfest. The recommendation i got is to go on Sunday if you can. Saturday is too crowded. I will be going this year.
I walked across the country to campaign for John C. Fremont. Top that, mf-ers.
I cannot take seriously Santorum numbers taken the very day after the so-called big sweep on Tuesday. Too soon.
But I also cannot rely on the Pennsylvania numbers here because they include mainly days before the so called sweep. Have to wait a bit.
Jason, a cursory review of the proferred evidence (how about that legal term?) would suggest that Robbie has a tenable claim. In order to have campaigned for Harding, JT would have not only had to be alive but able to walk during Harding’s Presidential campaign. That would make him at least 94 years old. However, neither party has produced any evidence to support their claims. Therefore, I am dismissing both cases.
#135 – I see there are buses from the city, thanks for the info.
Therefore, I am dismissing both cases.
-The definition of blind justice. Both the “troll” and “troll hunter” need to prove it equally before the law. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
I saw a troll following me in 2006. I swear I did. It was dark and rainy, but there was this furtive figure darting among the bushes.
Ms. Northrup, would you be willing to testify?
So if I read the opinion correctly, Wobbie is as full as crap as the Warren Harding campaigner.
I can buy that.
Those mf-ers be lying.
Hmm new evidence was introduced?
That’s a game changer.
If it can be proven that there was indeed a lurking troll-like DNC operative shadowing the Northup campaign we might have to reopen the case.
This made me feel good:
http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/big-trend-toward-republicans-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/
” Ms. Northrup, would you be willing to testify?”
Well yes, are you offering the Witness Protection Program?
I want a new identity so I can run in Alaska for something.
I even walked the precincts for Ann Northup in 2006. – Robbie
I do not know if Mr. Robbie wants the case opened. He clearly stated that he walked “for” Northrup. If she denies that he was her supprter and can only prove that he followed her in a troll-like manner, he may be subject to perjury. Proceed with caution, Mr. Robbie.
Well, today I decided to listen to a little bit of Rush. Sigh. It pains me to have to attack Rush. It really does. Its not that I have never disagreed with him before. Its that I find myself disagreeing with him at such a fundamental level. I sat there in disbelief as he proceeded to suggest that it is Romney’s SuperPac that is starting to take out Santorum with vicious attacks…just like they took out Newt, just like they took out Herman Cain. What? Romney viciously took out Herman Cain Rush? That was Romney? Rush, maybe Cain took himself out because he couldn’t keep his hands where they belong. Maybe Newt took himself out because he is an arrogant blow-hard who wants to live an amoral life, while preaching morals to others. Maybe Santorum took himself out by his love of unions, and big government solutions. Rush has created this evil boogeyman and portrays Romney as its master. Sad. Very very sad.
The problem here is Rush is in the same boat as Newt…so blinded by personal flaws that he cannot see the connection between personal integrity and public integrity. We want the face of our party to be someone who has public integrity, but you cannot have that without personal integrity. Its like the Red Sox manager who wanted the experience of Buckner to be on the field when they won the World Series, but he also wanted the defensive skills of Dave Stapleton. So he puts Buckner out there and the Mets win the World Series.
I might be able to get you relocated to Delaware. They will nominate anybody there for the Senate. You won’t win the General Election but you will get on Hannity every other night.
Master of Ceremonies
Oh goody. Can I spend my campaign donations on clothes and vacations and witch hazel too?
DW, Cal apologist made a good point.
Obama was at 55% in Feb 2011 at RCP?
Ann, baby, politics is about personal gain. Go to town.
DW
I wonder if Limbaugh’s hostile and dishonest style is diminishing his radio audience? He has become so predictable in his attacks that there is nothing to be learned from listening to him. He’s a total waste of time. Although, this is being stated from someone who was never a fan of his….
153…I forget was that when Osama was taken out personally by Obama?
Since this came up earlier, here is the link to the current delegate count according to what is posted on Real Clear Politics.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/republican_delegate_count.html
Rush has been married 4 times so he’s clearly not a conservative. It’s all about the money for him. The longer he has to bash Obama and get his sheep to listen to is nonsense the big his check and waist-line becomes.
Maybe he can spring for Lady Gaga to sing at this 5th wedding.
155…hard to say. I used to enjoy the way he educated people on the true agenda of the left as described in his animal rights updates, homeless updates, etc.
Speaking of the homeless, did you notice that they apparently no longer exist since Obama was president?
I can guarantee you that as soon as Romney is sworn in, the homelessness in America will be a HUGE issue.
#151 J T,
I just got through looking it up under internet slang. (it was killing me, not knowing!!) That was the first one that popped up, I thought that was too easy, as I knew what an MC (emcee) was. I thought it was something more sarcastic-like, not sure what, though. Thanks for the info.
Cheers!
Fair Enough Mike
The homeless/poverty numbers diminish, as do UE emphasis, deficit to GDP ratios, or the definitions of recessionary times under a D administration. Everything is softened, buffered by the press when it relates to a democratic rule.
However, as soon as a republican comes into office it all changes. The magnifying glass is cleaned and brought out, along with the bull horn ratcheting up cries of “how awful it is” even during relatively ‘good’ times.
It’s Bush’s fault.
Janz, I like Rush. He was a rock in 1994, and helped defuse the Dan Rather smear on Bush.
But I agree with you. My gut tells me Rush wants a second Obama term for business sakes.
It saddens me to admit that
the only thing I could find on RCP for 2011 was.
1/03/11- Obama 50%
2/27/11 Obama 49%
#163 You probably already have read it, but more people continue to blame Bush for the economy than Obama. Talk about the needle being stuck!
#164 J T I think Limbaugh was even sad to see the Clintons disappear from the WH, as he lost a bit of his battering ram platform. The man, IMO, has become nothing but a bloviating shill, appealing more to the extreme right wing people, who are about as independent thinking as those on the extreme left wing side of the spectrum
162…yeah, here is a news lead 1 year into a Romney presidency after things have recovered strongly:
“And we begin tonight with homelessness in America: A special ABC News report. Many Americans say their circumstances have improved with the improving economy. But what about those left behind? We take a close look tonight at the hungry, hurting and forgotten Americans.” [Broadcast cuts to a black man living in a cardboard box under an overpass, and the narrator describes his plight and ends with] “A recovery may be in progress, but at what cost? Clearly this recovery has its winners and losers.”
Right Janz. The only polls I look at are for electability.
The Bush blame on the economy is due to a brutal GOP Primary and a overall drop in the GOP numbers.
After circulating around the web, reading various articles giving advice to Romney how to up his game in the primaries, I have come to conclusion that man really can’t please the people.
First he is criticized for being too polite, no Palin “fire in the belly” kind of thing. When he comes out like a dragon, firing on all cylinders, he is then called out for going ‘negative,’and being too aggressive.
People say he is too plastic, calling on Romney to make himself more ‘human.’ He begins to include more biographical details about his father, and he is then sharply told to stop with the bio and get more into policies.
He describes himself as a private sector guy, which he is. But, then simply by going to DC for a fundraiser he is derided as a hypercrit for being aided financially by washington insider types.
Where is the man to go that he doesn’t take on water by some group or another.
#167 – That is spot on!
#167 Boy, you are a psychic! That’s exactly the news story that would come out should an R win the presidency. In fact, there are probably news outlets writing them as we speak, so that they can air immediately after the guy is sworn in!
Janz, ask yourself this. I was in high School when Reagan ran in 1976 and 1980.
If Reagan ran today, or back then with 24/7 and the Web, would he not be under fire just like Romney?
His divorce, his moderate record as Cal Governor?
167. Great post DW. Well said
172- As far as the divorce goes, I don’t think Ronnie would take too much flak since he did not initiate it (Jane Wyman sought the split), and he was quite heartbroken over it for some time. The wingnuts would hit him on the abortion thing, though, the Clean Air Standards Act he signed, and probably the tax bill. They would also waste no time for him coming out forcefully against the Briggs Initiative in ’78; they would definitely slam him mercilessly for that one (RINO!).
J T, I have often said that Reagan would probably be unelectable in today’s political climate and unreal expectations from the far right. When I’ve said this on far right blogs, they totally deny it, continuing to extoll the virtures Reagan and if only we had someone like him running.
It’s become an hilarious dichotomy of today’s reality and yesterday’s fantasy.
Bitterlaw is slightly off on Pennsylvania. Santorum had problems as he always did of having the pro-choice vote against him; however, Casey pretended to be like his father, a pro-life hero in the state. Therefore, many Catholics felt free to vote for Casey without violating their Conscience. While the younger Casey has come out against the HHS ruling, he did vote for the health care law itself that led us here.
What is the Briggs Initiative?
“While the younger Casey has come out against the HHS ruling, he did vote for the health care law itself that led us here.”
They had to pass it so they could find out what was in it… remember?
My gut tells me Rush wants a second Obama term for business sakes.
Comment by J T — February 9, 2012 @ 3:58 pm
C’mon! Rush is a patriot. He will strongly support the GOP nominee, whomever he may be. He, like many of us, simply wants a reliable conservative, and that’s not Mitt Romney. He sees that we’ve already tried this, “Nominate a moderate” idea, with Dole and McCain, and it didn’t work out too well.
You Romney backers are so full of your own dogma that you think anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot, a traitor, or both. Open your minds and try seeing things from another angle.
While the younger Casey has come out against the HHS ruling, he did vote for the health care law itself that led us here.
-I think that whole blow-up over that rule was designed to help vulnerable Dem Senators in the elections. They can come out against it, and then it will quietly be withdrawn shortly. Then instituted after Obama and those Senators get re-elected.
I thought this flap over the abortion/contraception issues is what the whole Stupak episode was about… wasn’t it?
DaveyJ,
Dole and McCain have/had been legislators there whole lives, very different from the skillsets which Romney brings to the floor. There MO was to work things out, compromise. Romney has actually had to sign off on things, where he was the final say. That is a totally different mindset.
Wrong about Rush. He has even softened his Romney hits this month to make sure everyone knows this election is a game changer. If Obama wins, there will be NO limits on what he does. IF you want to argue it helping Rush’s business, he understands Obama’s administration will likely dictate the “Fairness Doctrine” by fiat. Plus, will almost certainly pull Rush off Armed Forces network too.
Yes, Rush is getting more explicit toward his brother’s position that Santorum is the last conservative in the race, but he does want to steer Gingrich and Romney further toward conservativism.
NYC Mike, it might have even been timed to help Santorum since the Obama campaign doesn’t respect anyone that pro-life.
100 – Romney has to spend money combating the bogus narrative that the other two clowns are conservative and romney is not. In essence, Santorum and Gingrich get free advertising from the msm. Uniformed Santorum and Gingrich votes turn to romney once romney spends the money to get his message out.
Comment by EML — February 9, 2012 @ 2:33 pm
Wow, I never saw that one coming!
So poor, poor Mitt Romney is being ganged up on by the msm, which FORCES HIM to carpet bomb his opponents with negative attacks.
Also, all of us Santorum and Gingrich voters are simply “uninformed” (or “uniformed”). If only we could be as wise and informed as all of you HHR Romney backers!
By the way it`s me-Benny from Germany
President Obama leads all Republican challengers in North Carolina, a
new poll from Public Policy Polling finds. The President leads Mitt Romney 47-46, Rick
Santorum 48-46, Newt Gingrich 50-45, and Ron Paul 47-41.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/02/barack-obamas-approval-numbers-have-been-on-the-rise-nationally-as-of-late-and-the-same-trend-has-come-to-north-carolina-48.html#more
Mike, per Wiki (it’s accurate on this);
California Proposition 6 was an initiative on the California State ballot on November 7, 1978, and was more commonly known as The Briggs Initiative. Sponsored by John Briggs, a conservative state legislator from Orange County, the failed initiative would have banned gays and lesbians, and possibly anyone who supported gay rights, from working in California’s public schools.
(GF) It led early on, but went down hard once Reagan came out (no pun intended) against it. Final margin was seventeen points, 41.6-58.4; 20 inland counties voted in favour, the other 38 against.
Here’s more analysis of what the now ‘embattled’ Romney faces ahead of him in the primary.
The upcoming CPAC speech is being considered important to Romney’s campaign, and it is said his speech will be different than what he has been saying in stump speeches. If I remember correctly, Romney and Santorum speak on the first day of CPAC, while Gingrich goes last on the 2nd day — people can become intoxicated by the after taste of his visionary words, I guess!
Ray I respectfully disagree. prior to the meltdown in 2008 when McCain had a chance with friends like rush who needed enemies. I used to love rush. I can’t stand him now. He hurts is more than helps anymore.
Gabby Giffords voted for the Public Option twice, but is lauded as a bi partisan hero.
She just endorsed her camapign aide, who was also shot, and is 67 years old.
He will be running against the first women combat pilot on the GOP side, or Marine Jesse Kelly.
The media will of course say the aide with no military service is the real hero
Everyday these people set new bars for Romney. Romney doesn’t need to go negative on Santorum. Rick will say something offensive or stupid that will thus make himself more unelectable than he already his.
Bitterlaw,
last year i was walking in a bad section of boston at night … one state street (aka the financial district)
suddenly these three men in dark brooks brothers suits jumped out at me and held me at gun point
they said i had to sign a 15 year variable rate jumbo mortgage or “i’d get it”. now i don’t want to pay.
do i have any legal options?
Howdy GF, how are things? Like I said before. If Reagan had to deal with 24/7 cable news and the web in 1980, he would have still beaten Carter, but would have been attacked the same as Romney by the far right
Careful on reading polls for electability. Supporters of candidates in the primary often want to pretend they would vote for Obama over the one they want to defeat in the primary.
Oh, and finally on Rush: while he dislike how Romney went negative in 2008, his dislike is nothing compared to that which he holds for McCain. He believed McCain a consistant traitor to conservatives.
AL Primary Poll:
Romney:
27%
Santorum:
23%
Gingrich:
22%
Paul:
7%
http://blog.al.com/sweethome/2012/02/new_alabama_poll_shows_close_t.htm
There is no reason at all why Santorum is not electable against a weak prez with a weak economy with his numbers.
Romney has never had a convincing argument due to lack of contrast in a contrast election. Other than, “im a bsiness man!”
And if the econ improves, character and values and conviction and empathy with blue collar workers, farmers, and reagan dems will matter more, and the reason for Mittens candidacy drops.
You guys need to wake up, Santy is ***more*** electable against O, not LESS.
There are many reasons, but the main thing to understand is you cannot trust a guy who spends millions, says he’s gonna win CO (because that one was “different”, unlike MN and MO) who polls 9 in front just out the election and LOSES BY 5…
TO A NERD IN SWEATER VEST WITH NO MONEY, NO ORGANIZATION WHO LOOKS LIKE A SCHOOLBOY.
All while he has the cash and name ID, all the momo in the world from Florida, but loses to a geek…
Good point Ray. Rush always believed that McCain wanted to switch parties in 2001, but Jeffords beat him to it.
when Daschle visted McCain at his Sedona, Az home in 2001 privately, rush and his people went ballistic.
You guys are incredible, one recent poster noted that Dems, who supposedly want Santy as the guy because it was a lead pipe cinch vs O, are voting for him in polls to get US to pick HIM, so they can turn on him in November with the press, etc.
Wow.
Just.
Wow.
They are and have been doing that for MONTHS with Romney, because they know he will do nothing but compromise with Dems, appoint judges to SCOTUS via John Sununu (Mr. guy who brought us libtard David Souter) *NOT* Santorum.
They savaged Bachmann first, given her unforced errors, why did not the press and dems gush all over her?
They didnt.
At any event, since we do not PICK our nominees on electability *first* unless we are retarded, it makes no difference.
If you “win” with a liberal like Willard, winning means almost nothing, in fact, it’s actually worse since so many big issues that are opposed to us are being supported by our party’s leader and that makes us hypocrites and without credibility to third parties.
The press wants Romney, and anyone with a brain knows why…
CC
Homer will be happy.
Jack in the Box will start selling a Bacon Milkshake.
mmmmmmmm
Lisab – what you signed would be termed a “contract of adhesion.” You were forced into an agreement against your free will. I would argue that that the contract should be void from the start (void ad initio). There was no legal consideration. They offered to let you live in exchange for not getting killed. There was no “meeting of the minds.”
I hope you are taking notes. I spent 3 years learning this stuff and you get it for free.
Things are OK< I suppose, JT. I am actually heading off to balboa hospital in a few to obtain the detailed results form my medical review board and sign the papers. In short, they cleared me for full duty, but ow it is up to the sea duty screeners to see if they will actually keep me in (many hurdles to jump over before all is well). I'll check in later.
#184 – Thanks Ray, I never thought about that. Possible
#188 – I have even more respect for Reagan than I did before. Stupid initiative, in my opinion. Good for Reagan.
#190 Hugh, I understand your position. In January, we were just about done with Rush. In fact, he and Gingrich pushed us toward Romney with their illogical attacks on him.
One day Rush was busy trying to explain why those he knew dislike Romney so much. Later that day, Hannity explained it better that Gingrich and Romney supporters felt that way about each other’s campaigns. Neither trusted the other to be “conservative”.
“They offered to let you live in exchange for not getting killed. There was no “meeting of the minds.””
so does that mean i can have the taxpayers pay for it under obama’s new plan?
GF – good luck. Remember, I know a JAG bigwhig.
lisab – I do not believe you can obtain that remedy. The best I can do is free you from the obligation of further payments and possibly get a refund of the amount that you have paid to date. If you want anything else, I’m starting the meter and I’m not typing another word until you start paying $200 an hour.
but … but … they were predatory wall street bankers
JT: Over the past week,Obama’s approval rating has risen sharply.Even the Gallup daily tracking poll has him closing on fifty.
What to make of it?Here are two unconventional thoughts:(1)His approvals dramatically rose on Sunday and Wednesday pollings.Both were a day after caucuses.Any connection?(2)In the past week ,people received their 2011 4th Qtr. 401(k) and other investment statements.The gains made people happy!
I know,crazy thoughts!
Brain-Dead Teen, Only Capable Of Rolling Eyes And Texting, To Be Euthanized
http://www.theonion.com/video/braindead-teen-only-capable-of-rolling-eyes-and-te,27225/
#180 & #204 NYC Mike, yes, I have to compliment you for seeing the Democrat senator help with this HHS issue. I actually don’t like how the Democrat politicians have gone further socialist over time, so I am glad when they do stay logical. I don’t like how this will help baby Casey continue to pretend he is pro-life.
#199 if you think the press truly wants Romney, you are just projecting your belief that it must be since you don’t like him.
Thanks Scott..Obama does seem to do well every Feb. SOTU speech helps. Who knows?
Ray, Casey was the one who was at the forefront of passing Obamacare. He even critcized the Church for going after Stupak.
“New Jersey and nine other states given permission to leave a few children behind”
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/nj_other_states_getting_no_child_ln1nPpkED9MPrVL0dKBF3K
Ms. b:
You do realize that the predatory Wall Street Bankers have lawyers who charge $500 an hour. I will settle your case fast and cheap or you will pay me more than you will ever get back from them. I have lawyer skillz. Get real and get paid.
Very Truly Yours,
Bitterlaw, Esq.
re: the waiver for no child left behind
obama likes massachusetts’ plan to cut a number of under-performing students in half by 2014
Scott, good comments.
Again this election, the stock market has a tough time with Obama, since it is swayed by future events.
In 2008, as Obama got stronger, the market got worse because of that, which led to the market getting even worse. Why? Because he was outwardly promising to destroy the economy. Unfortunately, this led in some ways to a self-fulfilling proficy.
With the 2010 elections, the market can currently count on limits to Obama. Now, if a Republican wins the Presidency, the market will have wanted to go up based on happier economic days in the future. Conversely, as it goes up, the public perception wrongly assumes Obama must be doing something right. If this causes Obama to become favored to win re-election, the market will then start dropping again.
correction:
re: the waiver for no child left behind
obama likes massachusetts’ plan to cut THE number of under-performing students in half by 2014
Are they firing 50% of the underperforming children or will they cut all of the underperforming children in half? It makes a difference.
214.Ray, Casey was the one who was at the forefront of passing Obamacare. He even critcized the Church for going after Stupak.
-It matters more what you do in an election year. The people won’t remember what he did 2 years ago. A Presidential Election year reminds me of The World Cup. Every 4 years, Americans (1/3 of them) pay attention for 2 or 3 weeks.
Bitterlaw, you are underestimating. Only the associate lawyers for Wall Street bankers are billing that little.
Santorum is on Hannity, whining a bit about possibly being attacked. He questions Romney’s ability to attack him as a conservation and said, “What has Romney done for conservatives? How can he answer that question.”
not sure if anyone posted this one yet:
ARG
Oklahoma
Likely Republican
Primary Voters Feb 6-7
2012
Gingrich 34%
Paul 10%
Romney 31%
Santorum 16%
Other 2%
Undecided 7%
“Are they firing 50% of the underperforming children or will they cut all of the underperforming children in half? It makes a difference.”
the news did not say
NYC Mike, thanks for getting my back. J T didn’t realize I was saying the same thing as he.
Have a great day/evening to you all. While I have regularly enjoyed this website since the 2004. I don’t normally stay on the comments this long.
Ray – the associates do the work. The Partners show up in front of judges for conferences and the deposition of their own client. This case won’t go to trial. There is no way I am letting lisab be deposed. She will take three hours to answer this:
“State you name.”
“Why?
“I need to know who you are.”
“I’m me.”
. . .
i am not sure why massachusetts was given a waiver
they were ranked #1 in public school education in 2011 by the Science and Engineering Readiness Index (SERI)
n/t
The country is badly in need of a COMPETENT president above all. Mitt Romney is the only candidate COMPETENT to be the President of the United States of America!!