Santorum Leads in OK, Romney Still Leads in AZ
It looks like Republican primary voters in Oklahoma, at least according to the latest poll from SoonerPoll.com, are joining their neighbors to the south of Texas from earlier today in wanting to make Rick Santorum the face of the Republican Party.
PRESIDENT – OKLAHOMA – GOP PRIMARY (SoonerPoll.com)
Rick Santorum 39%
Mitt Romney 23%
Newt Gingrich 18%
Ron Paul 13%
This poll was done February 8-16 among 278 likely primary voters. Public Policy Polling has seemed to switch from their tweet last night and now claims Mitt Romney will be ahead in Arizona.
We still have Romney up a smidge in Arizona, but pretty close race. Results up in about an hour
That “hour” should be rather soon….
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Corey,
The day I’m considered a Ladies Man will be the day Wes becomes an Evangelical Preacher, so, you’re quite correct on that.
Also, when MFG and Bitterlaw are telling you that you’ve crossed the line, yikes.
…and once again, check your email.
If Romney does well in his debate on the 22nd, pulls MI out, and wins Arizona, he might be able to get some momentum pulling up his numbers in these other states. It would also be helpful if Santorum would voice some kind of major gaffe allowing voters to become aware of his weakness as a GE candidate.
Pie-in-the-sky hopes…..
I did learn something this weekend that shocked me and greatly increased the likelihood that Romney will win the primary and the general election. I cannot say what it is, but stay tuned.
Is it just the parakeet leaving or will the other handles be leaving, too?
I used to be a judge in Sodom. So I know what it is like to be a lawyer in Philly.
Corey, we have a file on you, be carefull.
If Romney can beat back Santorum in MI with so many attacks being off limits what makes anyone think Obama cant do the same in the GE where he will be able to outspend, nothing is off limits, and the demographics as big of fans of his brand of religion.
Sorry about your wife, Lot. I sprinkled her on my dinner last night. Tasty.
I’m sure Corey has never done anything illegal, or even mildly interesting, in his life.
In my world, the freak who sang show tunes down the hall ways of High School gets elected to the School Board…twice.
I agree it’s wrong, but there it is!
Poll numbers like these and those from the other Super Tuesday states are the reason I think Romney may need a big win in Michigan to stem the tide. I don’t think a two or three point win will do it at this point. He’s got to reverse the momentum in Michigan or Super Tuesday could be a disaster for him.
I still maintain if the nominee is not Romney, it will be someone not in the race. I don’t see the party rallying to someone who will lose 35 states in the Fall. With so many stories popping up about late entrants and contested conventions, I just can’t envision Santorum as the nominee.
*arent as big of fans
Poor Newt. It didn’t work to demand Santorum to drop out. Now he wants Romney to drop out if enough Democrats vote against Romney in Michigan. Don’t the other 3 candidates realize Newt has to be President. They are just in the way. His ego knows if we have a brokered convention, everyone will rise up to declare him the greatest thing since sliced bread.
What is he going to do if he finishes 3rd in Georgia? Will he drop out beforehand to make sure he is not embarrassed like that.
All of the various parakeets and noms de plume will be resting for a bit, BL
Just resting …
Bitter, what do you think? If Romney wins Michigan by say, 78% to 12% over Santorum, I just don’t think that will be enough. It will fall short of what he needed to finally grab the momentum in the race.
DW – If Romney wins Michigan with 102% of the vote, the Romney-haters will demand to know why it wasn’t 105%.
DW,
You’re obviously being sarcastic but that is really probably sadly true.
Bitter,
I’m considering calling you Voldemort for reasons that should be evident to you…
…also, do you do petition challenges as an attorney? I’d be happy to get you some quick business if you do.
16.Bitter, what do you think? If Romney wins Michigan by say, 78% to 12% over Santorum, I just don’t think that will be enough. It will fall short of what he needed to finally grab the momentum in the race.
Comment by DW – GOP Establishment — February 20, 2012 @ 11:40 am
Mock me all you want, but Romney’s facing tough expectations. MI is a state he’s said he will win and the state of his birth. It was supposed to be his firewall and he won it by 9 points in 2008.
If Romney just barely edges out Santorum, despite all of the endorsements, money, and organization, it will likely do little to change the poll numbers in the Super Tuesday states. Santorum has huge leads in Ohio and several other places. I don’t believe Romney has homes there so he can claim favored son status.
Romney making a comeback it seems. The more Santorum speaks and shows how completely out of touch he is with modernity the better for all of us.
Jul – I don’t but I could ask the head of the local party. She is a lawyer and may do them. Is this in the Lehigh Valley?
Santorum certainly had a bad weekend with his statements. If Romney fails to break through in AZ and MI, then, we must explore a third party candidacy. I wonder if this is a better idea than a brokered convention.
Bitter,
It’s for a State Rep race. Don’t worry about it. We have someone to do it for us, I just wanted to offer you specifically the business, as a “friend”
I am finding the same thing with Santorum that I found with Newt. As I speak to GOP voters here in VA, most are still very unfamilar with the candidates. It took me under two minutes to pull away a Newt supporter, and I found over the weekend, it was even faster with Santorum. All I had to do was mention his ties with big-unions, and poof, the shocked voter drops him.
Arizona is winner take all, it is the more important state. But Romney needs to winn Arizona by 15 and Michigan by 20 in order for it to be a truly good night.
Santorum – against prenatal care and Obama has a weird religion. Those are his statements over the weekend. How can we want him?
Be careful getting pulled into this Bitter. Remember, you are the one who muses about him becoming a potential killer and has said things about his girlfriend.
I’m trying to look out for him and I’m the bad guy here according to some.
Oh, I think a THIRD party run would be tremendous! Just the talk of it sends a tingle up my leg!
It worked so well with Bush41 and with former president Taft. I just don’t see how we can go wrong with a third party candidate at this point!
bio mom/Annie
Brokered Conventions and Unicorns
Hugh Hewitt
But if you had to bet your house, or even if you just wanted a very secure bet, you’d look at the math and the calendar and recognize that Mitt Romney is almost certainly going to the GOP nominee because he is the candidate best positioned to beat President Obama in the fall, and that is what is driving the GOP electorate more than anything else.
Read more:
http://townhall.com/columnists/hughhewitt/2012/02/20/brokered_conventions_and_unicorns/page/full/
Corey – potential killers need support at times. I’m just trying to steer him away from me and towards MD’s house. MD is armed. I’m not.
Bitter,
I’d sincerely hope you’re kidding with this talk of “potential killer”.
Reductio ad absurdum in your parlance?
What nonsense. A win is a win whether it is 1% or 50%. Changes the media narrative which is driving this race right now.
Jul – always leave the potential killer option on the table. It keeps me somewhat restrained. Somewhat.
lisab,
This is your homework assignment for today. There will be a test tonight.
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,NI_Iwo_Jima2,00.html
Bitter,
Be careful with some of the stuff you say. MNW and Barrett obviously took you seriously.
How can anyone take a sweater-wearing man seriously?
Bitterlaw,
I can’t remember. Did you back me up on the Iwo Jima issue with lisab? She said that it was an unnecessary mission and that we should have invaded Marcus Island instead. For obvious reasons, I said BS.
Brandon,
Sweater > Sweater Vest and well… Santorum has won more elections than Bitter ever will.
C’mon, Mitt isn’t going to win every state. Hillary won more states than Obama and yet, Obama got the nomination.
I point out again, that if you look at the eight states, here are the total number of states wherein each candidate won at least ONE delegate:
Romney – All 8 states
Paul – 5 states
Santorum – 5 states
Newt – 4 states.
Clearly Romney has the broadest appeal.
ARIZONA (PPP)
Romney: 36%
Santorum: 33%
Gingrich: 16%
Paul: 9%
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_AZ_220.pdf
Santorum really does have a problem with modern day society and the fact that women today are now equal to men. This weekend made that very clear.
What kinda man has a problem with prenatal care much less thinks about it all that much if his wife isn’t pregnant? Santorum is starting to come off really creepy. A man with some deep dark secrets that drive some of his obsessions.
Of the total primary/caucus season votes that have been cast thus far, Romney has 42%to 31 for Gingrich, 16 for Santorum and 11 for Paul.
Of the actual, pledged, bound delegates at present, the numbers I am seeing has Romney at 91, Gingrich at 32, Paul at 9, and Santorum at just 4.
Romney is still in a strong position and that is not going to fundamentally change even if he does have a setback here or there moving forward.
Marv – I defer to the people who decided to invade Iwo Jima. Under lisab’s logic . . . it’s not even worth finishing that road to nowhere.
As for the sweater slur, my wife returned the sweater and my life is sweater free.
As for Jul, being elected to teh School Board is important but let’s not make it more than it is. He’s still a few notches below Senator or Governor.
Since ppp tends to underestimate Romney numbers, I suspect he is up more than 3 in Arizona. But I want to see other pollsters’ numbers. JUst not comfortable with ppp.
Bitter,
At least you’ve been the nominee for Congress!
I’m really an angry lesbian who wears sweater vests. Seriously, what man wears a sweater vest?
When I lose, I lose big!
Jim Tressel?
He’s a religious zealot who will turn off Evangelicals! He criticized Protestantism.
Conservative Christians have a problem with Mormons and they definitely have a problem with Catholics who believe their religion is the only true Christian religion. Conservatives will stay home if Santorum is the nominee. It’s obvious that Santorum has a corrupt soul.
jenny, is it that hard to stay on one stream of thought during an entire post?
#47…What’s the problem with the sweater vest?
It is still winter and it get cold. Many people wear zippered vests at this time of year. Look through the catalogs, they are filled with them.
I don’t think there is a problem with sweaters, but they should have sleeves, dammit.
I’m having tingles about the PPP polls, TDT.
I defer to our fine Evangelical friends. I interpreted Santorum’s remarks about mainline Protestant churches to refer to some of the very liberal positions they now take on social issues. The Bible used by Episcopalians must have been written by NARAL and GLAAD. I thought this was a reason that Evangelical churches were filling with refugees from those churches.
Corey – the sweater is an affront to real men. if you are cold, layer up. T-shirt, long-sleeved t-shirt, and shirt. That’s how men do it.
-sits at desk wearing Red, White, and Blue sweater + topcoat-
Santorum is more likely to out-debate Romney than Romney is to out-debate Santorum.
And a problem with modernity re Santorum? WHEN DID THIS WEBSITE BECOME THE HUFFINGTON POST.
Santorum attacked GOVERNMENT MANDATES re prenatal TESTING (not prenatal care). He did object to people having such testing done.
SOunding like the left will not help you.
Look people — Romney will win this thing so everybody just shadup!
Any day know Santorum will come out against c-sections has un-biblical. Women should die when they have children just like in the old days.
#55, He’s a politician! Why is he talking about religion?
Well, that settles it. Noted Romney shill Hugh Hewitt has said Mitt is the best choice. It’s all over now.
Maybe Santorum should be opposed to ultrasound tests, too. Some issues with the unborn child can be detected at that stage so it has to be banned. Maybe it’s also time to ban anaesthesia of any kind during abortions – if they want it they have to feel it.
If Santorum is the nominee, I am just going to hide from the Democrats I know. I can only lie so much for free.
Breaking News – At 1:00 p.m. EST, Rick Santorum will state how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Hey where has JT been? Did he and his boyfriend IP run up to Washington State to get married?
Bitterlaw,
Everyday I check the MLB transactions list to see hope many players the Phillies put on the disabled list. My hope is to see some big names there.
Marv – this is how you repay me for supporting you on Iwo Jima?
Well that settles it, noted Santorum shill, Hannity, to come up to support Santorum.
anecdotal but I spent the past 3 weeks or so circulating petitions and spoke to over 100 Republican voters.
precisely 4 of them said they supported rick santrum — none of the four were wmen.
this was largely general educatin types, not evangelicals.
If I had to guess percentage:
Santorum 4
Newt 2
Paul 20
Rmney 60
Of those, about 95% of women said they could NOT support santorum in the general. Newt had a similar percentage incidentally.
Totally unscientific, but there it is.
i never thought there would be a candidate that made perry look good … then santorum rose up
“I don’t believe Satan controls the world. I do think that he owns the Dallas Cowboys.”
yankees, mets, giants, reds too
#67 Bitterlaw,
You didn’t say “I support you, Marv”, you said that you would “defer to the people who decided to invade Iwo Jima.” There is a big difference.
Besides that, sometimes, I just can’t help myself.
I notice that lisab is evading the Iwo Jima invasion question. Perhaps, she has figured out that her position was flawed.
“I don’t believe in Satan
Never have never will”
neither did i until game 7
55..I will summarize. Toward the end of the 19th century, German higher criticism began creeping into the American demoninational seminaries. A whole crop of ministers were trained in these seminaries and they showed up in demoninational churches as pastors, but they preached that the miracles never happened, most of the Old Testament is just ancient fables and that most of the New Testament was later than the apostles. For instance, they argued that the gospel of John was written 100 years after the death of the apostle — he simply COULDN’T have written it as the Christology was far too developed. Then archeologists discovered a papryus fragment of the gospel of John that is dated from 100 – 125 A.D., a mere decade after the death of the Apostle John. But back to the 19th century American experience…the response among the denominational churches was split. Some shrugged their shoulders and didn’t care about the new teachings, others were true believers and left the denominations and started fundamentalist churches, or independent Bible-believing methodist, baptist, or presbyterian churches. This was known historically as the Fundamentalist/Modernist controversy. The Fundamentalists then began their own seminaries. The mainline denominations that insisted on the conclusions of the German higher criticism eventually shriveled up substantially. I mean who wants to attend a pointless church who swapped out Jesus as a Savior for saviors like government and social engineering?
Then in the early to mid-twentieth century, there was a split among fundamentalists as many in this group wanted stricter separation from the modernists, while others sought collaboration. Out of this split formed what today are labeled Fundamentalists, and Evangelicals. The Fundamentalists instisted on purity and total separation from the modernists (liberals) while the evanglicals, who held to the same basic doctrines, wanted to collaborate with those who denied those doctrines. Today, the group labeled fundamentalist has shriveled greatly, and are a mere asterisk in American Christianity. They have drifted off into irrelevant debates about things that are not core doctrines, and the evangelicals have an increasing number who have taken a firmer stand against collaboration with liberals, while there are still evangelicals who freely collaborate with those who oppose the core doctrines of conservative Christianity (deity of Christ, virgin birth, the trinity, etc.).
I would be happy to respond with more detail if you have any questions.
iwo was a waste
it got lots of people killed for little purpose
Bitterlaw says:
February 20, 2012 at 12:31 pm
I defer to our fine Evangelical friends. I interpreted Santorum’s remarks about mainline Protestant churches to refer to some of the very liberal positions they now take on social issues. The Bible used by Episcopalians must have been written by NARAL and GLAAD. I thought this was a reason that Evangelical churches were filling with refugees from those churche
I agree Bitter. The mainline denominational churches are mostly dead churches.Evangelicals would agree with Rick on that.
back later
In a stunning development, DW and Tim V. will share the title of Favorite Evangelical. SoHope is just mailing it in these days.
Given where Michigan is at, it doesn’t look good for Romney. Santorum hasn’t bled any support, has the conservative base which is the most enthusiastic voting segment, has a Dem operation chaos in his favor, and social conservative union members are voting for him by a 2-1 margin. All the intangibles are in Santorum’s favor there. Arizona has really tightened as well. Mitt has to have a good debate tonight but Santorum is likely to pound Mitt with Romneycare again. If Mitt hits Santorum with not being a fiscal conservative, Santorum will likely counter with his NTU ratings. I don’t see Santorum stumbling. Mitt will be looking for some help is attacking Santorum tonight and he’ll be looking for it from Newt. How ironic.
It would most certainly be an interesting race (read that as: blood sport) with Santorum as the nominee.
Big disconnect in the GOP. Apparently, Republicans don’t want to win this one. Just ask Paul Babeu.