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Romney Leads In MI and AZ

Rasmussen is showing Mitt Romney surging past Rick Santorum into the lead among Republicans in the state of Michigan.

PRESIDENT – MICHIGAN – GOP PRIMARY (Rasmussen)
Mitt Romney 40%
Rick Santorum 34%
Paul and Gingrich Not Mentioned For Free

As usual, Rasmussen confuses me with where he places the paywall. Apparently you have to pay to find out whether Gingrich or Paul is in third place. This poll was done February 23rd among 750 likely voters. Rasmussen also sees a surge by Romney in Arizona.

PRESIDENT – ARIZONA – GOP PRIMARY (Rasmussen)
Mitt Romney 42%
Rick Santorum 29%
Newt Gingrich 16%
Ron Paul 8%

This poll was done February 23rd among 750 likely voters. Rasmussen also released a poll for Pennsylvania which extended over a ridiculous 16 days claiming Romney trails Obama by a single percentage point while Santorum trails by 6%.

Posted by Dave at 12:16 pm
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351 Responses to “Romney Leads In MI and AZ”

  1. EML says:

    Mittmentum

  2. jan says:

    Deliver us from Santorum.

  3. Tina says:

    Down with Spendmorum.

  4. jan says:

    The good thing is that Romney didn’t have to go all that negative on Santorum. This collapse is 100% his own doing. All Romney had to do is let Santorum be Santorum.

  5. SUSYQUE says:

    #2 Janz…Thanks for posting the URL on What Happens if Romney Wins Michigan?

  6. SUSYQUE says:

    # 6…Jan…do you really think Sentorum has collapsed?

  7. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Very good numbers – even if they’re from Ras who’s been Obama’s beech in recent weeks.

    Git w/ Mitt!

  8. janz says:

    #7 susy — your welcome.

    ______________________________

    Here’s a 2008 Obama campaign ad complaining about $3.50 oil prices. Funny…..everything he dissed in 2008 is worse in 2012.

  9. Tina says:

    Hi Rube Rock.

  10. dinglewoodnorwoodbill says:

    Romney by definition is an even bigger spender than Rick is. He supports mandates, supported TARP along with stimulus.

    Santorum actually went for balanced budgets as far back as 1994.

    Once again Romney uses carpetbombing with SuperPacs to tell voters to go against somebody without being able to articulate why they should *support* him.

    Also funny is when Rasmussen said Santorum led, it was all dismissed by members of this site, now that they release a poll showing Romney doing well, it’s touted as good news!

  11. janz says:

    Jeb Bush comments on the state of the 2012 candidates, as being akin to a ‘circular firing squad.’

  12. jason says:

    ” Here’s my track record of supporting losers.

    In 2010, I donated to Rand Paul, Pat Toomey, Marco Rubio, and Mike Lee. But I love Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    Wow, impressive.

    Personally I donated to Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich, Jan Schakowsky, Rush Holt and Elizabeth Warren.

    But I love Romney!!!!!!

  13. dinglewoodnorwoodbill says:

    Romney has no method of fighting for indies with Obama due to his fathering Obamacare with Romneycare. This is the signature issue of the campaign, and if primary voters make the mistake of sending Romney up against Obama, it plays into the left’s hands.

    The left has been bombarding Santorum for weeks with hits pieces, which is designed to derail our strongest candidate in the fall, while they hold fire on Mitt until he wins the nomination, then he will be portrayed on class warfare grounds and will be detoothed over his support for mandates.

    If the left believed social issues Rick was a loser, they’d not be doing everything under the sun to avoid his winning the primaries.

    Sadly, our side falls for this trick every single time.

    Social issues are not important to voters in the economy climate, but financial ones are, so Santorum does not bleed over them, regardless of his views, and Mitt does not gain because history shows in bad times banker type GOP nominees lose. Wake up peeps.

  14. Waingro says:

    Mitt speaking to only 1,200 people at Ford Field. NOT a smart decision to change the venue.

  15. jason says:

    Dinglewood is a moron. How could Romney be a bigger spender than the guy who was porking for 12 years in the Senate???

    Nobody here ever said Romney was leading in Michigan when all the polls showed he wasn’t.

    So why not celebrate a poll showing him winning?

  16. bio mom says:

    Excerpt from the Karen Santorum interview on Glen Beck’s radio show.

    She said the campaign has been challenging, and said some would “have to be crazy to want” to be president. But she said she and her husband escape that because for them “it’s completely a spiritual thing. This is God’s will.”

    “The ‘want’ is a mission to make the culture a better culture, more pleasing to God,” Mrs. Santorum said. “For us it’s all about making the world a better place.”

    But of course, Santorum isn’t running on theology or anything, is he?

  17. DW says:

    213.Jason, you’re a real benefit to this board. Your maturity and level headedness show through every time you comment.

    Only a boy with your attributes could claim anyone not enthused with Romney is obviously an Obama supporter.

    Keep it coming. I need the laugh.

    Comment by Robbie — February 24, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

    Its strange, I have said repeatedly that I am not enthused with Romney, but nobody has yet accused me of being an Obama supporter…I wonder why that would be?

    I am enthused with BEATING Obama, and Romney is the best choice out of the options we have…someone who could actually beat Obama.

  18. jason says:

    Wobbie Troll is a clown.

    I was for Daniels and Christie before Romney, nobody called me a troll either.

    Everyone picks on Wobbie for the heck of it. The trash he writes has absolutely nothing to do with it.

  19. bio mom says:

    #15

    ????The left is holding fire on Mitt??? Every other article in the New York Times for months has been a hit piece on Mitt. They only recently said anything at all about Santorum until he opened his mouth about Satan, etc. Also, ???left is trying to keep Santorum from winning the primaries??? They are VOTING for him in Michigan polls!! You live in an alternative universe.

  20. jason says:

    “Jason, you’re a real benefit to this board. Your maturity and level headedness show through every time you comment.”

    Some people just don’t know when to stop once their point is made. This was the perfect place…. 8)

  21. jason says:

    Dingleberry, why are Democrats in MI voting for Santorum, because they think he is the stronger candidate?

  22. Robbie says:

    16.Mitt speaking to only 1,200 people at Ford Field. NOT a smart decision to change the venue.

    Comment by Waingro — February 24, 2012 @ 12:51 pm

    Be careful. Posting anything that’s not pro-Romney will get you labeled an Obama lover by Jason, the conscience of the comment section.

  23. Robbie says:

    Happy days are here again
    The skies above are clear again
    So let’s sing a song of cheer again
    Happy days are here again

  24. Waingro says:

    Ugh. These quasi gaffes by Mitt do not help.

    “Ben White ? @morningmoneyben:

    For the love of Pete, Romney really said his wife drives “a couple of Cadillacs?” It would be better for that campaign if he didn’t speak.”

  25. Annie says:

    #6 – jan – It’s the old adage about not getting involved when your competition is hanging himself. I just finished watching Romney’s economic speech – a mixture of his stump speech mixed with a more detailed laying out of his policy ideas. The larger venue didn’t bother me, because the camera stayed tight on the candidate, and I’m sure the people who were responsible for the venue didn’t want people fainting from too many people using up oxygen in the room (which may be the secret to Obama’s following of “fainters”). Purely from a Communications 101 perspective, Romney should train to be less hesitant in the flow of his speaking and stop smacking his lips before starting a sentence (he does that mainly at the beginning of speeches – either because of dry lips or as a subconscious means to relax). As far as the content of the speech and the competence of the man, Romney is now obviously the only candidate that has the experience and know-how to run a national government. He also has far more knowledge for governance than Obama, who has been winging-it throughout the past three years in office. (And it shows in the state of the nation – do not buy for a second the White House spin about the economy’s wonderful “recovery.” Any well-managed economy would have had a far greater rebound and much sooner – and, of course, the numbers Obama uses negates the millions of people who are under-employed or simply dropped out of the job market.)

  26. Waingro says:

    #24, I am ALL for Mitt, but I’m not gonna keep my head in the sand either.

  27. Waingro says:

    Gallup daily tracking:

    Santo: 33%(-1)
    Mitt: 27%(nc)
    Newt: 16%(+1)

    Barry at 45% approval (nc)

    Unemployment at 9.1% (+.1)

    http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

  28. Annie says:

    26 – Cadillacs cost less than BMWs or Lexus vehicles, and are made in Hamtramck and Lansing, Michigan. This was NOT a gaffe on Romney’s part. The people of Michigan (and people who know GM) will know this.

  29. Tina says:

    What is the venue change issue about?

  30. bio mom says:

    So now some of you have made sure we all know about driving cadillacs. I would now like you to give us equal enlightenment on the tax plan and policy which was the thrust of the speech. …Waiting….

  31. Waingro says:

    #31, it was supposed to be in hotel that could only fit 700 people.

  32. Annie says:

    The Economic Club was originally slated for a smaller venue, but when it was announced that Romeny would speak, they had an influx of people interested in attending. They had to hurry and find a venue big enough for the larger group of people. They were offered Ford Field in Detroit, the only place big enough on short notice, so they went with it. Of course, a football stadium holds tens of thousands, and the Detroit Economic Club only has a few thousand members (of which, about 1,200 attended). So, the camera shots of the crowd looked small in contrast to the rest of the stadium. Really, not a big deal…

  33. EML says:

    30 – not true. Cadillac CTS is more expensive than BMW 3-series. Cadillac DTS is a couple hundred cheaper than a 5-series, but throw in BMW’s 4 years of free service, and it’s cheaper as well.

  34. EML says:

    Dinglewood = Chekote?

  35. Waingro says:

    #33, he did fine overall. It was basically a regurgitation of his op-ed that got released yesterday.

    He’s not a great speaker, but he’s very articulate, and that’s all we need right now.

  36. Waingro says:

    #38 I should insert “very articulate on economic issues”.

  37. Annie says:

    bio mom – Too much detail to put into this blog – cut to capital gains tax, supply-side economics, etc. Very well thought out policy, actually. Here’s the speech, which you should read:

    http://www.freep.com/article/20120224/NEWS15/120224034/Text-of-Mitt-Romney-s-speech-to-the-Detroit-Economic-Club

  38. Annie says:

    EML – I drive a BMW 545i

  39. Annie says:

    EML – If it makes you happier…I’ll clarify with “most Cadillacs” cost less.

  40. ParakeetsForBuddyRoemer says:

    37 EML

    Yes

    Chekote=YouKidding=Dinglewood

    Shes trying to change her syntax but the style is still the same

  41. Corey says:

    Good for Mitt for owning Cadillacs!

    Are they supposed to have foreign cars like Santorum does?

    My grandfather, who like Mitt Romney was born in Detroit, drove a Cadillac.

  42. EML says:

    43 – so every time she comes out with a new candidate she is supporting, she has to change her screen name?

  43. Corey says:

    “dinglenorwoodbill” has to be an homage to Al Gore’s 2000 Presidential debate performance.

  44. bio mom says:

    Is Romney planning on appearing on any of the Sunday shows this weekend? He never does them, or hardly ever. I think that is is a big mistake. Santorum is on Meet the Press this Sunday. Gingrich is ALWAYS on one or the other of them.

  45. Corey says:

    Romney’s audience today at Ford Field was 1,200 people. The original venue was only able to hold 700 so they changed it because of the demand.

    There was never any anticipation of filling Ford Field in any way, shape, or form, so I am not sure what tehre is for the left for whoemver to make fun of.

  46. Robbie says:

    31.What is the venue change issue about?

    Comment by Tina — February 24, 2012 @ 1:35 pm

    Romney’s speech was to be held at a hotel ballroom, but they moved it to Ford Field believeing the response to hear the speech would be higher.

  47. ParakeetsForBuddyRoemer says:

    45 EML

    Yes, shes also embarrassed I renamed her “Coathanger” so she conceals her identity

    And after supporting Newt so strongly how could she justify now supporting Pope Ricky?

  48. Corey says:

    Not much to gain by going on the Sunday Shows. He will do them periodically. He’s probably in church on Sunday mornings.

  49. ParakeetsForBuddyRoemer says:

    I cant wait for the first batch of “Yes, Mitt won MI and AZ but IT DOESNT MATTER!!!”

  50. dinglewoodnorwoodbill says:

    http://www.punditandpundette.com/2012/02/romney-did-require-catholic-hospitals.html

    Apparently Romney has lied in the debate and is disqualified as a candidate. He stands for everything wrong with Obama on conscience protection, according to this analysis. He did throw Catholic hospitals under the bus.

    This ought to be Santorum’s new attack ad?

  51. Corey says:

    I am just glad to see that the legit Romney supporters here seem to be in much better mood than last Friday. I knew that would wind up being the case.

    Back later today…

  52. ParakeetsForBuddyRoemer says:

    Have you noticed that multimillionaire lobbyist Pope Ricky doesn’t tithe?

    lolololololol

  53. Annie says:

    Parakeet – It isn’t a tradition with most Catholics to tithe. We just put money in the collection basket each Sunday.

  54. Annie says:

    dingle – Romney’s state legislature and Massachusetts judges stated that it must be part of the law. Not Romney’s doing…

  55. Dr. SoHope says:

    Ok…well if the rest of the christian comunity was as charitable with their money we would be in serrious trouble.

  56. Dr. SoHope says:

    Santorum is all for big givernment help to the needy but doesnt put his money where his mouth is.

  57. Annie says:

    Most Catholics think tithing is Old Testament, so it isn’t required. However, Santorum’s lack of giving more to charity does say something about him (or his pocketbook). He does have a history of trying to get money for himself through his position. The financing of his kids’ educations comes to mind.

  58. Annie says:

    Must get back to work – at least it’s Friday! Bye for now, all -

  59. Ben Romney says:

    Purple Poll:
    Obama: 44/50

    National:
    Obama/Romney: 47/43
    Obama/Santorum: 46/44

    CO NV NM:
    Obama: 46/48
    Obama/Romney: 47/44
    Obama/Santorum: 46/47

    IA MN WI:
    Obama: 43/49
    Obama/Romney: 48/39
    Obama/Santorum: 47/42

    NH OH PA:
    Obama: 40/53
    Obama/Romney: 44/46
    Obama/Santorum: 43/48

    FL NC VA:
    Obama: 46/50
    Obama/Romney: 47/45
    Obama/Santorum: 47/45

    http://www.purplestrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/Feb2012Poll_v7.pdf

  60. DrJay says:

    Happy 70th birthday to Joe Lieberman…

    Happy 80th to Zell Miller…

  61. Dr. SoHope says:

    Fwiw, tithing is mentioned by name in corinthians (new testament).

  62. SUSYQUE says:

    Annie…this was posted yesterday by another. I will try to find the name of the poster.

    “Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is the most qualified candidate for president in the past 75 years, says Jack Welch, former chairman and CEO of General Electric.

    “In my lifetime, Mitt Romney is the most qualified leader I’ve ever seen run for the presidency in the United States,” Welch, 76, said during an appearance today on CNBC.

    Welch listed Romney’s accomplishments, including his degrees from Harvard law and business schools, his success in the business world, running the 2002 Winter Olympics, and as governor.

    “We haven’t’ had anybody do all these things . . . Certainly [President Barack] Obama didn’t have those credentials, two years in the Senate,” he said. “Come on, we got a guy a here who’s a leader that’s demonstrated beyond anything we’ve ever had, great family. We’re the luckiest people in the world to have this guy there at this point in time.”

  63. Dr. SoHope says:

    Ben, thats right ignore new polls and post old ones. That will work.

  64. DW says:

    wow, Obama up only three in combined poll of CO, NV and NM?

    That’s pretty good. Would love to see it without NM in there…must be dragging the other two down. I would bet NM and CO would be pretty even.

  65. bio mom says:

    53: This was debunked by NRO a month ago when it was tried as a Romney hit.

  66. Robbie says:

    Here’s a plenty interesting live blog of the day’s events in the 2012 race.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/24/santorum-romney-michigan-republican-live?newsfeed=true

  67. Robbie says:

    Mitt Romney, gaffe machine, kicks it into high gear today.

    “You know, the trees are the right height, the streets are just right.”

    “Ann drives a couple of Cadillacs.”

    Asked if he can beat Obama, the most electable candidate says, “It’s always hard to defeat an incumbent president.”

  68. bio mom says:

    69: So now you are posting from “the Guardian”, a far left Anti-American rag?? Pathetic.

  69. ParakeetsForBuddyRoemer says:

    Yawn…

  70. bio mom says:

    I am waiting for the same type of picking apart every word said by Santorum in his speeches. Only Romney is scrutinized in this way. I would shrug this off but am starting to get angry with this sort of thing. Ignore the substance, pick on everything else, even his mannerisms. When we have a great need in this country for his skillset. I agree with Jack Welch quoted above. This country is lucky he is willing and available to help it out in these tough days. Santorum is just another lifelong politician. We have had our fill of that type.

  71. SUSYQUE says:

    # 71…am glad you on top of things. Good for you! Did you post the Jack Welsh piece yesterday or was it Jason…

  72. ameister says:

    From the last thread
    ” but the real question is if santorum
    is nominated who gets the higher percentage Putin or obama”

    In california I think Putin wins hands down

  73. Robbie says:

    Romney! Romney! Romney!, right bio mom?

    Let’s just ignore all of the mistakes he continues to make and just focus on how rotten and awful Santorum and Newt are. After all,Romney is so electable, except the polls says that.

  74. Robbie says:

    bio mom

    You really think Santorum’s words haven’t been picked apart? Do you pay attention to the news or do you just bask in the glow of Romney’s electability?

    For the last 10 days, every single word Santorum has ever said has been picked apart by the media. We’ve heard all about his positions on abortion, contraception, Satan, and Obama’s phoney theology.

    Every single word Santorum has said or written that’s controvecial has been talked about, espcially here by the Romney huggers. To say otherwise is just crazy. I’m providing a much needed contrast to the Romney worship that is in full effect every day here.

    We’re not in the general election yet so we don’t need to carry water for Romney until it gets to that point and, believe me, we’re going to have to carry a lot of water for him.

  75. Bobby says:

    Robbie until you address an actual concern you are useless.

  76. Waingro says:

    I like those “CO NV NM” numbers but not the “FL NC VA” numbers.

  77. Tina says:

    The Bushes are so conservative. You know every one of them gets us into a war or two, recession, and more and more spending.

  78. guess says:

    Rick Santorum winning more support from Republican women

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rick-santorum-winning-more-support-from-republican-women/2012/02/22/gIQAPDJjWR_story.html

    A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows not only that Santorum is doing better among GOP women than he was a few weeks ago, but also that he is less unpopular — and also less well known — among Democratic and independent women than his Republican rivals Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich.

  79. Corey says:

    That’s an old poll by now.

  80. bio mom says:

    Jonah Goldberg is a big Romney hater.

  81. SoHope says:

    Guess:

    1. That article and it’s polls are old.
    2. Santorums negatives are unknown to most at that time.
    3. The article actually shows that Romney is beating Santorum w/ women by 23%.
    4. Indy women voters hate/will hate Santorum.
    5. Do you any idea what you are talking about?

  82. SoHope says:

    Santorum supporters have to use the wayback machine to get good polls for their boy.

  83. guess says:

    the article was trending on memorandum. i failed to notice how old it was or was not. it is the lead article on memorandum, i assumed it was fairly current.

  84. Dem Hack says:

    Don’t apologize. Keep up the fight!

  85. lisab says:

    “Deliver us from Santorum.”

    amen

  86. Dem Hack says:

    I approve of Rick Santorum. I plan to vote for him in the MI open primary.

  87. lisab says:

    BMWs suck

    what a waste of a car

    if you are going to spend that much money n a car buy a real car like a

    Ford Shelby GT500
    Pontiac G8 GXP
    Dodge Challenger SRT8
    Cadillac CTS-V
    Chevrolet Camaro SS

    my sentimental favorite for a soccer mom … a Dodge Magnum SRT8

    a wagon but with a v8 … 425 hp :)

  88. mnw says:

    Why isn’t Romney talking about the need for more drilling, & Keystone pipeline today? And AMWR?

    Oil hit a new high of $109 & change today.

  89. lisab says:

    if he was you would be asking why isn’t he talking abut abortion and gay marriage

    this is a marathon not a sprint

  90. guess says:

    . That article and it’s polls are old.

    the article was published YESTERDAY. for an unattractive man with a penchant for firecrotches, you seem to be in a rush to attack anyone that says anything favorable regarding rick. why is that ?

  91. lisab says:

    Lamborghini Aventador

    an appropriate car for a woman

    a v12

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyF-8Bkn6JI

    although the bugatti super sport is still my favorite

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSFX9vrwJf8

  92. Tim says:

    #98:
    And, I bet you drive a Pacer, or a Gremlin. LOL

  93. DrJay says:

    Tim Geithner…

    “…if you don’t ask, you know, the most fortunate Americans to bear a slightly larger burden of the privilege of being an American, then…”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/geithner-privilege-being-american-why-rich-need-higher-taxes_631859.html

    income tax burden = the burden of the privilege of being an American

    i.e. income tax = the privilege of being an American

    YAY!

  94. Tim says:

    #95:
    That could be because he knows that the oil in the Keystone XL pipeline will be sold in Europe or Central America. It won’t affect the cost of oil, one cent.

  95. DrJay says:

    Does this mean people who pay no income tax no longer have the privilege of being Americans?

  96. lisab says:

    And, I bet you drive a Pacer, or a “Gremlin”

    sentra

  97. Tina says:

    Hard to defend the Obumbler on high gasoline prices. He owns it.

  98. Jonah Goldberg says:

    Saying I hate Romney is moronic. My columns have indicated that I’m likely to vote for him among this field.

  99. guess says:

    tim, where did you get your economics degreee from, doublewide.com ? or was it unions.com ? eating all those fried squirrells has fried your brain.

  100. guess says:

    lisab, was the answer to Dr. SoHope’s question, a yes or a no ? Enquiring minds want to know.

  101. SUSYQUE says:

    Lisab….what are you driving on a plain old ordinary street?

  102. Corey says:

    Are we supposed to believe Jonah Goldberg is really among us?

    I seem to vaguely remember watching him speak at my university back in those days.

  103. Corey says:

    If it really is Jonah, suddenly I have competition for Jew of the Day.

  104. Dr. SoHope says:

    The polls they site are old, guess.

    Lisab, my question…yes or no?

  105. Dan C says:

    Mitt only at 40% in Michigan. I guess you can call that a win in you want.

  106. guess says:

    susy, i heard through the grapevine that for ordinary streets, lisab zips around in a rickshaw pulled by a eunuch.

  107. Dr. SoHope says:

    My fav arguement against drilling is that it would take 7 years to affect price at the pump. That arguement was very popular 7 years ago.

  108. GF says:

    Sancto only at 34% in Michigan. I guess you can call that a loss if you want.

  109. DrJay says:

    Critz challenges Altmire petitions

    “Altmire, D-McCandless filed 1,651 petition signatures for the 12th District race, but the Critz camp claims 942 should be tossed out. Congressional candidates need 1,000 valid signatures to make the April 24 primary ballot…

    Critz campaign says 610 of the signatures were collected by a “defective circulator,” someone who lives in the city of Pittsburgh outside the Pa-12 lines.”

    http://earlyreturns.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/early-returns-20/53-post-gazette-staff/4060-critz-challenges-altmire-petitions

    Cook Political House editor says this is a serious challenge…

  110. guess says:

    dr hopeless, the poll was conducted feb 15-19th, so it is all of what, 4-7 days old ?

  111. DrJay says:

    #117 let me reword… he says “insiders close to the situation” say it is “very serious”

  112. Dr. SoHope says:

    9 days old if my math is right…and it show santorum losing az women by 23% if I call correctly

  113. SUSYQUE says:

    #114…Whee…that sounds like fun! Chop-Chop!

  114. Robbie says:

    79.Robbie until you address an actual concern you are useless.

    Comment by Bobby — February 24, 2012 @ 3:03 pm

    My concern is that Mitt Romney CANNOT win the general election. The base is unenthused by him and he is losing support form Independents as the primary moves along. He also supported a healthcare plan that became the basis for Obamacare and he refuses to say it was a mistake.

    Making matters worse, he is a gaffe prone candidate. So is Obama, but Obama has the media on his side. Every time Mitt goes off script, he says something dumb like the trees are the right height or his wife has several Cadillacs. Let’s not forget he’s also said he’s not concerned about the poor.

    Don’t take this to mean I’m in love with Santorum or Newt. I think they both suck, but Romney is not much better. I keep hearing he’s the most electable, but based on what? Polls from last year before the primary started? Take away electability and what does Romney have?

    We’re going to be stuck with one of these baffoons, but that doesn’t mean we need to put whipped cream on dog crap.

  115. guess says:

    jason, tell susy who the man pulling the rickshaw is.

    Chop-Chop!

    is that a racial slur ?

  116. guess says:

    show santorum losing az women by 23% if I call correctly

    i recall that part also. 9 days is correct using the 15th, 4 days using the 19th. so 4-9 days old. 1 week basically (using canadian math of course).

  117. Wobbles says:

    We need a brokered convention.

  118. guess says:

    well, i think i have gotten most of the nastiness out of my system by insulting everyone. later.

  119. SUSYQUE says:

    #123…guess what…Of late, I appreciate many of Jason’s posts and we do have something in common. He’s in in the field of education; he is also pro-Romney and he does have a good sense of humor as do many of you. It is a fact that men are champion punsters!

  120. Todd McCain says:

    113. Considering he only got 38% in 2008 — Yes, I would call that a win.

  121. lisab says:

    Depending on the production method, current cost for producing algae has ranged from $17 to nearly $26 per gallon

  122. lisab says:

    “Lisab….what are you driving on a plain old ordinary street?”

    a sentra

    it has been a great car actually

  123. SUSYQUE says:

    #123…Ask Charlie Chaplan!

  124. lisab says:

    Speaking, perhaps. But political optics have never been Barack Obama’s strong suit.

    He talks, by golly, about ending special tax breaks so that every American pays their fair share, while 36 of his own aides owe the IRS more than $833,000 in back taxes.

    He urges Americans to vacation on the beleaguered Gulf Coast while his wife flies with pals to a luxury hotel in Spain. He promises the most open government in history and VP Joe Biden meets with the chief of administration transparency — in a closed meeting. Twice.

    To underline his commitment to green energy and conservation, Obama travels to an electric car photo op — in a 17-vehicle motorcade of SUVs.

    So, Thursday the president of the United States climbed into his government jet and flew two hours down to Florida to talk at University of Miami student engineers about energy conservation and innovation.

    He forgot to mention the Solyndra solar scandal and the $545 million blown on the company of his fundraiser, but said great progress is being made in alternative energy sources.

    As evidence, Obama cited the Miami-Dade Museum which, he said, has a windmill that by itself on a typical day can generate up to 10% of the energy needs of one local home. (The president’s math would seem to suggest the need for about 10 wind turbines to power every house, which could make for crowded neighborhoods.)

    Obama didn’t have time to go into his killing of the Pipestone XL pipeline from Canada that would have saved the United States from buying 700,000 barrles of oil per day from unfriendly regimes in turbulent distant areas.

    But the Democrat said he’s got big government plans to have scientists study how to power more vehicles with natural gas, which the U.S. has in such abundance, he said, that it may soon be exporting some. And then Obama got to the exciting new part of his energy speech.

    “We’re making new investments,” he said, “in the development of gasoline and diesel and jet fuel that’s actually made from a plant-like substance — algae. You’ve got a bunch of algae out here, right?”

    With the knowledge that only he had the stat handy, Obama said, “Believe it or not, we could replace up to 17% of the oil we import for transportation with this fuel that we can grow right here in the United States.”

    cost per gallon of algae fuels?

    $26 per gallon

  125. bio mom says:

    Jonah Goldberg (whoever you are).That article was Feb. 3. Once Santorum rose, you (he) were anything but a Romney supporter. Maybe not “hate” but certainly for the other guy.

  126. Dr. SoHope says:

    Got an answer yet, lisab?

  127. EML says:

    117 – interesting. I think conventional wisdom is Critz is a much weaker candidate than Altmire.

  128. lisab says:

    for what?

    is tim v’s wife a whore?

    i already said yes.

  129. Dr. SoHope says:

    No, the question you have been dodging since yesterday.

  130. Dr. SoHope says:

    Should a person be able to enter a contract to sell vital organs after their death in exchange for money upfront?

  131. jason says:

    Wobbie Troll is a moron who keeps regurgitating canned talking points from other sites.

    There are literally hundreds of polls showing Romney competitive with Obama, just yesterday it was 50-46 on Gallup.

    And what differentiates Romney from the pack is the fact his polling against Obama holds up EVEN WHEN HE NOT THE FLAVOR OF THE DAY. His support remains relatively steady as the other fluctuate up and down depending if the are front runners or getting all the media attention.

    Santorum’s surge is basically stopped nationally, going back in Michigan and AZ. Why, because he can’t withstand the scrutiny the front runner status brings.

    Like Drudge says, Romney is the guy still standing after all the hoopla.

  132. Corey says:

    How would the organs be transferred?

  133. Robbie says:

    125.We need a brokered convention.

    Comment by Wobbles — February 24, 2012 @ 5:06 pm

    No, we don’t. We just need to pray Mitt gets a new personality software update that prevents him from going off script.

  134. Robbie says:

    Jason

    You’re just as guilty of repeating canned talking points in favor of Mittens. I can’t wait to hear how his wife having a couple of Cadillacs is a good line.

  135. Wobbles says:

    Last week you wanted a brokered convention, what changed?

  136. Robbie says:

    Santorum’s not going to win the nomination, but you’re out of your mind if you think support is suddenly going to start flowing to Romney. He will have to battle for a long time to put away the worst field in modern presidential politics. Thank goodness he’s electable.

  137. Corey says:

    I don’t get it. Why is the wife driving a couple Cadillacs a bad thing.

    What if she had Toyotas or Hondas or Merecdeses?

    Why is driving a Cadillac a bad thing in Michigan?

    It is a bad thing that the couple have more than 1 or 2 cars? The family is rich. People know that. What is so wrong with that? That is a good thing.

    How many cars do you think Jay Leno and his wife have?

  138. Brandon says:

    We need….JEB!

  139. Corey says:

    Robbie is totally in bunu territory though in regards to just wanting to talk to himself. Nobody is buying what he is selling. It’s become a joke.

    What is the point in even responding to Robbie anymore?

  140. jason says:

    ” Let’s not forget he’s also said he’s not concerned about the poor.”

    Let’s have the exact quote, not Wobbie Troll’s creative editing:

    ” I’m not concerned about the very poor; we have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I’ll fix it. I’m not concerned about the very rich, they’re doing just fine. I’m concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90 percent, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling, and I’ll continue to take that message across the nation.”

    He’s concerned about the situation of 95% of Americans, that’s not good for Wobbie.

  141. Robbie says:

    143.Last week you wanted a brokered convention, what changed?

    Comment by Wobbles — February 24, 2012 @ 5:52 pm

    Not to quibble, but what I’ve wanted is for a new candidate to enter, win a few races, and ensure there is a contested/open convention.

    A brokered convention is one where a group of insiders meet during the convention, pick the candidate they want, and tell the delegates to nominate him.

    That would be a disaster.

  142. lisab says:

    “Should a person be able to enter a contract to sell vital organs after their death in exchange for money upfront?”

    i have no problem with people getting money for their organs after their death

    so long as they go to the national organ donor registry who would determine who gets the organ based on need

  143. Robbie says:

    146.We need….JEB!

    Comment by Brandon — February 24, 2012 @ 5:54 pm

    He’d sure be a lot better than Mitt Romney, but he’s not running.

  144. Brandon says:

    Maybe we can draft him Robbie!

  145. Corey says:

    Jeb Bush and his wife probably have more than two cars though.

    That’s a very bad thing. People will resent them.

  146. Robbie says:

    And, of course, Jason knows the Democrats will make sure they use Mittens gaffes in full context when they use them in commercials.

  147. Brandon says:

    OK, Robbie I’ll stop with the teasing. We don’t need you throwing a temper tantrum like Polaris.

  148. Robbie says:

    153.Jeb Bush and his wife probably have more than two cars though.

    That’s a very bad thing. People will resent them.

    Comment by Corey — February 24, 2012 @ 5:58 pm

    Yep, but I doubt he’d be dumb enough to say what Willard said today.

  149. Corey says:

    I guess I am nuts for thinking that the Romneys driving Cadillacs and other Detroit made American cars is a *bad* thing for an important Michigan primary.

    Beam me up!

    Goodnight.

  150. Robbie says:

    155.OK, Robbie I’ll stop with the teasing. We don’t need you throwing a temper tantrum like Polaris.

    Comment by Brandon — February 24, 2012 @ 5:58 pm

    I’m not throwing a temper tantrum. I generally enjoy the back and forth. This site has to realize Mitt has some severe, get it, issues. Were it not for my posts, this would be a Romney echo chamber.

  151. Robbie says:

    152.Maybe we can draft him Robbie!

    Comment by Brandon — February 24, 2012 @ 5:58 pm

    Wouldn’t work. Jason has already exposed me as an Obama lover.

  152. jason says:

    ” I can’t wait to hear how his wife having a couple of Cadillacs is a good line.”

    Oh please, give me a break. Obama vacations in Martha’s Vineyard. John Kerry has at least 6 multi-million dollar homes. Did you whine about that?

    So what if Romney’s wife has two cadillacs? BFD. If you want to play the hypocrite, wait at least until some Maseratis are shown.

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_kerry_homes.htm

  153. jason says:

    ” Were it not for my posts, this would be a Romney echo chamber.”

    Don’t flatter yourself. I don’t think anybody here takes you seriously, but troll bashing is a part of every blog.

  154. Robottie says:

    Jeb!
    Jeb!!
    Jeb!!
    Jeb!!!!

  155. Dr. SoHope says:

    #150 Based on need??? Ok so prostitutes should be paid by a 3rd party, but but the person that gets laid should come from a registry of people in need?

  156. Tim V says:

    163- Dr. Hope, she is logically impaired. Lower your expectations.

  157. lisab says:

    obama drove a Chrysler 300C

  158. Tim V says:

    lisab says:
    February 24, 2012 at 5:44 pm
    for what?

    is tim v’s wife a whore?

    i already said yes.

    your post has been noted. you do like to repeat yourself.

  159. Robottie says:

    New candidate!

    Jeb!!

    Must blow Obama!!!

    Click click click…

    Whiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…

  160. Dr. SoHope says:

    Lisab, I was going to pay for your husband to have a session with a prostitute, but realized he isnt eligable b/c he is not registered on the “need to get laid” database ever since his procedure.

  161. lisab says:

    a libertarian would allow anyne to sell their organs to anyone, but i am not a libertarian

    there is an economic term, you can look it up — called “moral hazard” due to information asymmetry

    when countries have allowed private organ sales low educated people were exploited due to the moral hazard created

    however, when countries have allowed people to sell, but not buy organs, e.g. israel, everything works out

    likewise my only qualms about prostitution is that it should be regulated, so that the customer knows what stds the prostitute may have had

  162. Tim V says:

    168-Zing !

  163. Tim V says:

    where is jason ? we can have a 3 on 1 pile on lisab.

  164. Tim V says:

    tim from ga could make it 4 on 1.

  165. Dem Hack says:

    “when countries have allowed private organ sales low educated people were exploited due to the moral hazard created”

    but that doesn’t happen with prostitution…right?

    Sex can be “sold but not bought”…how exactly?

  166. Robbie says:

    167.New candidate!

    Jeb!!

    Must blow Obama!!!

    Click click click…

    Whiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…

    Comment by Robottie — February 24, 2012 @ 6:24 pm

    Mom and Dad are out of the house. Check!

    The parental locks on the computer are turned off. Check!

    The babysitter is watching a movie in another room. Check!

    Think of a childish screen name. Check!

  167. Hall Monitor says:

    #166…167…168…Your posts are very offensive and inappropriate. I don’t think Dave has given up this HHR blog for such degrading posts. It is Trash Talk!

  168. Brandon says:

    Whoa…

  169. SoHope says:

    oops #173 was me

  170. jason says:

    ” jason has already exposed me as an Obama lover.”

    Nah, you are so stupid you did it yourself. Same as Rockefeller Troll, too stupid to know the posts are saved.

    We used to get trolls with some brains.

    I think it’s our fault really. We need to attract smarter trolls.

    I will contribute as much as I can to such a worthy project.

  171. jason says:

    I don’t know who thought up Robottie, but it’s highly appropriate.

  172. dinglewoodnorwoodbill says:

    http://stevedeace.com/news/iowa-politics/the-case-against-mitt-romney/

    The real Romney, not electable, liberal, lying, and dangerous…

  173. SoHope says:

    Hey dingleberry

  174. jason says:

    ” Bill Maher pledges $1m to Obama’s SuperPAC…”

    This was the guy who said people flying airplanes into buildings with innocent men, women and children were not “cowards”.

    A real scumbag.

  175. SoHope says:

    lisab any logical response for #173?

    Is google running slow?

  176. Robottie says:

    Must repeat the same talking points again and again and again!

    Whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    Click! click! click!!!

    New candidate!!!

    Whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…

  177. lisab says:

    “but that doesn’t happen with prostitution…right?”

    especially if prostitutes are tested and certified as std free

    there is no significant moral hazard

    so there is no reason to not let the parties buy and sell as they wish

  178. jason says:

    Dingleberry, read this. Good reading for Wobbie Troll too.

    Absolutely decimates all the talking points about Romney that Wobbie regurgitates here.

    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-02-22.html

  179. Robottie says:

    Brokered convention Will Robinson!

    Brokered convention!!!!

    Whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…!!!

  180. Robottie says:

    Must tongue Jeb Bush’s nut sack!

    Click! click!! click!!!

    Whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…

  181. Annie says:

    156 – Robbie – I will repeat for you, because you are not wise enough to reason this on your own…Romney did NOT make a gaffe when mentioning his wife’s cars (one in Massachusetts, and the other is kept in California – so she doesn’t have to drive cross country or buy a new car or ship a car each time she flies between the coasts). He was giving a speech to the Detroit Economics Club – of which, major attendees were from the car companies – including GM and Cadillac manufacturers, a brand of car manufactured in Lansing and Hamtramck, Michigan. Headquarters for the company is in Warren, Michigan. Romney was touting a Michigan product! Good grief…you people are so eager to put down Romney, that you don’t realize how dumb you sound.

  182. Napoleon from Animal Farm says:

    Stop picking on Robbie.

    At our brainwashing sessions for the less intelligent, he was the first to learn how to chant 100 times without making a mistake”

    Jeb Bush good.

    Mitt Romney bad.

  183. Robottie says:

    Must attack Romney and ignore Pope Ricky and FatToad!

    Whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

    Click! click click!!

    Stupidity Will Robinson!!, stupidity Will Robinson!!

  184. jason says:

    189. Don’t dazzle Wobbie with facts. It was like when he supposedly said he liked to fire people, when the whole quote made it obvious he was talking about companies that provide bad service.

  185. janz says:

    To the poster who querried sbout whether Romney was going to be on a Sunday news show. This Sunday he is going to be on FOX News Sunday, as is Mitch Daniels. It should be an interesting show!

  186. SoHope says:

    selling / buying organs after death has less moral hazard.

  187. Nervous Republican Hand Wringer says:

    Mrs. Romney has more than one car because she has more than one home?

    Good gracious, just think of the fodder that gives Democrats.

    I can just see the ad. Devastating.

  188. SoHope says:

    lisab, do you disagree with #194…if so why?

  189. Perry Mason says:

    ” that you don’t realize how dumb you sound.”

    Let the record show Robbie is not concerned about sounding dumb.

  190. SUSYQUE says:

    #195…Not so, they are both american made cars.
    Everyone knows wealthy families have more than one car! This is class warfare…every American has the right to buy what they want. Nothing to be ashamed of. They probably love it in Detroit!

  191. lisab says:

    “selling / buying organs after death has less moral hazard.”

    selling is fine

    but if people could buy organs privately, without regard to medical necessity, charlie sheen could easily outbid an otherwise healthy five year old for a kidney — which a libertarian would be ok with

    however, a medical board would favor the five year old … for the same reason doctors do not typically transplant into smokers, drug users or alcoholics

    as a liberal, not a libertarian, i would tell charlie sheen the five year old needs it more

  192. lisab says:

    “#195…Not so, they are both american made cars.”

    ummmmmmmm … the obama’s have a four car garage

  193. SoHope says:

    Romney won NH…doesn’t matter it was his home state.

    Romney wins MI…doesn’t matter it was his home state.

    Romney wins MA by wide margin…doesn’t matter it was his home state.

    Romney wins NV…doesn’t count…boarders his home state.

    Romney is leading in the polls in CA…yet vacation home, doesn’t count.

  194. SoHope says:

    Charlie Sheen can outbid others for all the “good” prostitutes as well…

    try again…what is the difference?

  195. Annie says:

    I wonder if Obama’s girl’s bike is a Schwinn? He has a couple of them, I’m sure.

  196. SUSYQUE says:

    Hide your wallets!

    Implementing Socialism Saul Alinsky-Tied Group Gets $56M Federal Loan A Saul Alinsky-tied group (Rules For Radicals) has been awarded a $56 million federal loan to start up a nonprofit health insurance company under the sponsorship of Obamacare
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/23/alinsky-tied-group-awarded-56-million-federal-loan-for-health-insurance-project/?test=latestnews

  197. SUSYQUE says:

    #203…Annie…clever!
    Did you read the post #65? You’ll love
    it!

  198. lisab says:

    “Charlie Sheen can outbid others for all the “good” prostitutes as well…”

    that is ok

    no one dies if charlie sheen hires all the “good prostitutes”

    but if a five year old does not get a kidney, he will die

    (again, not being a libertarian, i do not subscribe to the idea that the highest bidder should always win)

  199. SoHope says:

    lisab, you have tangled yourself up in inconsistencies and your logic is flawed on the 2 issues.

    Either they are both acceptable with similar regulation or they are not.

    Buying and selling sex vs. buying and selling organs are have similar moral hazards.

  200. SUSYQUE says:

    Santorum was too late to file in Indiana many weeks ago,but now I read that he will be allowed to file. Hmmm

  201. SoHope says:

    I will paraphrase one of your comments from last night:

    “Why is a private transaction between 2 consenting adults anyones business?”

  202. SoHope says:

    “when countries have allowed private SEX sales low educated people were exploited due to the moral hazard created” – LISAB

    Guess what one word I change in this quote from you…

  203. SoHope says:

    I will give you a hint it rhymns with REX.

  204. jason says:

    I am the proud father of post 65. Taking bow…

    But Wobbie will soon be here to say Jack Welch is a piker compared to Obama lapdog Jeffrey Inmelt.

  205. Tim V says:

    Hall Monitor says:
    February 24, 2012 at 6:31 pm
    #166…167…168…Your posts are very offensive and inappropriate. I don’t think Dave has given up this HHR blog for such degrading posts. It is Trash Talk!

    hall monitor, my post #166 was offensive only because i copied and pasted what lisab said about my wife, which was offensive. it was her post # 136 that was offensive. please read more carefully.

  206. jason says:

    I hear Obama has not one, but TWO Nespresso machines in the WH.

    Wait till the RNC starts running ads….

  207. SoHope says:

    lisab, you practice yoga…you should be used to being an ilogical pretzel.

  208. jason says:

    I wish I could follow this 72 hour marathon private discussion between lisab and sohope, but I just can’t get a good handle on the body parts thing.

    I am hoping a fine legal mind like Bitter will elucidate everything by posting a summary of the main legal points on both sides.

  209. lisab says:

    actually you are the one who is foolish because you are trying to justify the prohibition of prostitution, which cannot be done given our current legal system. sex outside of marriage is not illegal. moreover, it is not illegal to pay for sex on camera.

    that is, if wes takes a chilli’s waitress to hawaii and they have sex, it is legal … likewise, if he gives her $500 and they have sex on camera it is also legal. sooooooo … there is no logical reason they cannot have sex without a camera or alternatively he can not just give her the price of the hawaiian trip.

    my position is absolutely consistent. i already said the best solution is to allow regulated prostitution and regulated organ sales.

    the worst solution is to make them illegal

  210. SoHope says:

    Jason, I content that both are wrong for similar reasons. Lisab says that one is ok but not the other, but can’t give one logical reason why.

  211. Robottie says:

    But what if the prostitute needs a new kidney? Then what??

  212. Tim V says:

    215-zing, hope scores again !

  213. SoHope says:

    lisab, would they be regulated in a similar fashion (i.e. you can sell sex but not buy it and people needing to get laid the most get first dibs)?

  214. lisab says:

    “I will paraphrase one of your comments from last night:

    “Why is a private transaction between 2 consenting adults anyones business?”

    —————————-
    you are however trying to equate a life and death situation like denying a 5 year old a transplant in favor of someone who doctors would not give a transplant … which is clearly bad for society

    with

    allowing charlie sheen to hire the “best prostitute” for the highest price … a situation which has no negative outcome for society

  215. SUSYQUE says:

    Michelle Obama: “Every Day I Hear About How Folks Are Struggling” …(But It Didn’t Stop Her From Taking 16 Vacations)

  216. lisab says:

    however, yes … the BEST solution is to allow regulated prostitution so that everyone knows the price and std risks

    otherwise you could get significant moral hazards again … e.g. a prostitute with aids still working

  217. SoHope says:

    what about non-vital quality of life organs like corneas, tendons, and skin….no live or death matter there.

  218. Wobbles says:

    This site is too pro-Romney. While I still am for Romney, we need a contested convention.

  219. SoHope says:

    Buying AND selling allowed for those?

  220. SoHope says:

    We need a brokered blog, right Wobbles?

  221. lisab says:

    “would they be regulated in a similar fashio”

    no, in the case of prostitution the moral hazard is obviously in the knowledge of disease

  222. Robottie says:

    Too pro Romney!!

    Whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr….

  223. Tim V says:

    glib- 1

    a: marked by ease and informality : nonchalant b: showing little forethought or preparation : offhand c: lacking depth and substance : superficial

    lisaglib- an hhr poster that exemplifies glib

  224. Wobbles says:

    Yes one pro Romney, the other Pro Jeb, and another Pro-Santorum, and another Pro- Newt.

  225. Wobbles says:

    Make it actually a contested convention, not a brokered one.

  226. Wobbles says:

    Whoops contested blog, not a brokered blog.

  227. lisab says:

    “what about non-vital quality of life organs like corneas, tendons, and skin”

    again … i would be inclined to rely on medical professionals

    if they say there is nothing wrong with selling to the highest bidder, i.e. no significant moral hazard, then i would be ok with that.

  228. SoHope says:

    One could also say that access to prostitutes is a matter of life and death for some

    http://longevity.about.com/b/2007/05/23/sex-makes-you-live-longer.htm

    and poof goes you reason for difference “regulations”.

  229. lisab says:

    sorry … but you don’t die from lack of sex

    as you clearly demonstrate

  230. SoHope says:

    I would go with the generals on the ground….blah blah blah….what do you think lisa?

    why the difference?

    first there was no answer.
    then you said selling but no buying.
    when asked why you said moral hazard because the poor are taken advantage of for the rich (unlike with prositution?)
    Then they aren’t similar issues because one is a matter of life and death.
    Now when it isn’t a matter of life and death you pass the buck and still don’t admit you are inconsistant…just like a good liberal.

  231. SUSYQUE says:

    I hope Bitter’s Dad is recovering. Bitter hasn’t posted today. It’s a very sad and worrisome time when one’s parents are seriously ill in the
    hospital.

  232. Tim V says:

    lisab says:
    February 24, 2012 at 7:47 pm
    sorry … but you don’t die from lack of sex

    as you clearly demonstrate

    zing, lisa scores !

  233. Yolanda says:

    #237–

    Newt Gingrich certainly believes so.

    But at least all us ladies are the better for it.

  234. SoHope says:

    #273, that’s a thing that Mr. B and I have in common.

  235. SoHope says:

    oops, #237 I mean

  236. Yolanda says:

    Oh, c’mon…Is Jeb the best you folks can do?!

    Doesn’t Christine O’Donnell have a sister we can nominate? Alan Keyes might have a brother who could be her running mate.

  237. lisab says:

    sorry, but you apparently cannot read

    i have told you several times i am not a libertarian, so it is perfectly reasonable to me that behavior be regulated.

    regulated is not the same thing as prohibited.

    children cannot buy alcohol

    adults cannot have sex with children

    yu can not drive faster than 65 mph in massachusetts

    you cannot be topless on a city beach on cape cod …

    that i would not prohibit something does not mean i would not regulate it

  238. SoHope says:

    If some things have similar risks that warrent regulation they should have similar regulations imposed to guard against those risks.

  239. Tim V says:

    good night, enjoy your debate. I’m not interested in it. I prefer the zingers. I have the zing score as: SoHope 3, lisab 1.

  240. SoHope says:

    Cheeseburgers make you fat and fried chicken makes you fat. so, lets test all fried chicken before it is eaten, but have all cheeseburgers be sold but not bought and then distributed by need.

  241. lisab says:

    “If some things have similar risks that warrent regulation they should have similar LEVELS of regulations”

    exactly

    however, a child can die if charlie sheen buys a kidney by outbidding a more needy recipient

    you won’t die if charlie sheen buys your preferred prostitute

    thus the higher regulation needed

  242. SoHope says:

    “I am a liberal. I am allowed to be inconsistant in my calls for legalization and regulation” is a good enough excuse for you, but I don’t think it flies.

  243. SUSYQUE says:

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  244. SoHope says:

    Can Charlie Sheen buy the services of the best kidney doctor and team by outbidding the 5 year old?

  245. pitchaboy says:

    Krauthammer schooling the idiot Oreilly

  246. SoHope says:

    Can he outbid the 5 year old for corneas or tendons?

  247. lisab says:

    if charlie sheen is allowed to outbid a child for a kidney, only charlie sheen is happy

    if charlie sheen is allowed to outbid you for a prostitute

    everybody wins, especially the prostitute

    so … we have to go with the greater social good

  248. Tim V says:

    now 3-2.

  249. SoHope says:

    I am not on the “needs to get laid” database and therefor couldn’t buy sex even if I wanted to

    …neither is your husband for a different reason (snip, snip)

  250. SoHope says:

    thanks tim, now she is going to concentrate on catching up and ignore the stupidity of her stance on the issue.

  251. lisab says:

    “I … couldn’t buy sex even if I wanted to”

    that is probably true

    but we are speaking theoretically

    not about you per se

  252. SoHope says:

    look at me…I can take a third of someones post and make it mean something else.

    “…children can… have sex with children… in massachusetts”

  253. lisab says:

    you really should try booking time with wahkeena

  254. SoHope says:

    sorry, you are not my type. I prefer women, I like my testicles where they are, and I hear unitards are very itchy

  255. Marv says:

    “Brokered convention with Perry for the win………and…..Yes

  256. SoHope says:

    ahhh crap…#262 was bunu, and I clicked on his link. Now I have to format my hard drive. Bunu, quit changing handles!!!!

  257. lisab says:

    “I prefer women”

    i think the issue here is that they do not prefer you

    thus your need to look up wahkeena

    maybe hhr could run a fundraiser

  258. Tim V says:

    265- Bravo ! bring it on

  259. SoHope says:

    “…a child can die…everybody wins” -lisab

    Really now that is just wrong!

  260. lisab says:

    bid high … bid very high :)

  261. Lisa's Logic says:

    I’m on vacation.

  262. Lisa's Logic says:

    I think you can rent out your nannie but you can’t sell your kidney. Selling a kidney is degrading

  263. Tim V says:

    Marv, I liked Perry. I still do. I’m sorry he wasn’t a little quicker on his feet in the debates. I think he would have been a solid president.

  264. Lisa's Logic says:

    Hey government, keep your hands off my liver.

  265. Tim V says:

    MFG, your robottie schtick was actualy pretty funny. Of course I didn’t like a bit of the language but it was creative and humorous.

  266. lisab says:

    somebody is grumpy

    wahkeena can help you with that

    for a price

  267. Tim V says:

    268 was interesting

  268. Lisa's Logic says:

    Did I mention that stockholders come ahead of union pensions? when I’m in charge, shareholders supersede creditors.

  269. Lisab's Eunuch says:

    sometimes I think you like Wahkeena more than me
    :(

  270. SoHope says:

    “It is 2020. Findings by environmental scientist Professor Thom Archer suggest that Halo, the corporate energy company drilling on the Greenland Glacier are causing it to melt. Archer’s warnings are ignored, so he heads to the Arctic to find indisputable evidence. Upon arrival, he realizes humankind is under immediate threat, and races home to save his family. The glacier collapses, with devastating consequences. Astonishing weather patterns emerge and plunge the world’s temperatures into steep decline.”

    They make movies about this crap.

  271. Lisab's Eunuch says:

    forget about Dr. Hope and come to bed, please

  272. SoHope says:

    So they can lay next to each other, read Cosmo, and talk about interior design and hum broadway showtoons till they fall asleep.

  273. malthus says:

    Thom archer is a righteous dude.

  274. lisa's logic says:

    Don’t forget. We love our romneycare. We have the most expensive insurance in the nation. That’s fair and righteous. Sometimes my girlfriends give a little extra to a nice man for a health insurance payment.

  275. lisab says:

    poor sohope

    the lack of sex has finally caused him to lose his mind

  276. lisa's logic says:

    poor sohope

    the lack of sex has finally caused him to lose his mind

    Comment by lisab

    What’s my excuse?

  277. Robbie says:

    According to my Twitter feed, Santorum, when asked about Tuesday, says we’re going to try. To me, that sounds like an admission he knows he won’t win. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Romney win going away.

  278. SUSYQUE says:

    #289…What do you mean by this:

    It wouldn’t surprise me to see Romney win going away.

  279. mini robbie says:

    Sycophant annie please read NRO about romney and his cars.

  280. DrJay says:

    Susy, are you asking Robbie why he thinks Romney may win going away, or are you asking what “win going away” means, or something else?

  281. mini robbie says:

    National review says romney is tone deaf. Hhr boobs say no problem. Annie, bio, janz, he screwed up. Stop apologizing and fix it.

  282. SUSYQUE says:

    #292…You said it sounds like Santorum wont win.
    If he doesn’t win than Romney would…right?
    but below you say Romney win going away.

    According to my Twitter feed, Santorum, when asked about Tuesday, says we’re going to try. To me, that sounds like an admission he knows he won’t win. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Romney win going away.
    Please clarify

  283. mini robbie says:

    Sycophant annie has replaced susy as most annoying poster. The sun will come up tomorrow. Annie your boy is a train wreck.

  284. SUSYQUE says:

    #293…National Review is backing Santorum!

  285. John Kerry says:

    Hey Mitt, thanks for making me sound like a man of the people.

  286. DrJay says:

    I didn’t make the statement…

    But, “to win going away” is a phrase that means the margin of victory was increasing when the contest ends… Robbie is saying that Romney may win by an even larger margin over Santorum than we are seeing now (because the gap will be ever increasing between now and then).

  287. mini robbie says:

    Susy you ignorant slut, national review endorsed romney last time and will again. They and george will realize he’s a loser if there isn’t a change in the world. Romney is so pathetic he will lose to 4 50 gas. And btw he is raising taxes on the wealthiest. The sycophants pretend that isn’t happening.

  288. SUSYQUE says:

    #298 Thanks for the explanation…It would have been easier to understand if he said Romney’s win is more assured, or will be greater. I understand standard English…but now statistical jargon.

  289. mini robbie says:

    What a thread. Jonah goldberg hates romney, national review wants santorum, talking about multiple caddies isn’t tone deaf. Romney is raising taxes on the most productive and nobody protestd.No wonder all the intelligent life has left this site.

  290. bio mom says:

    Mini Robbie Read the comments to that stupid NRO article. Universally bashing the author. American cars, in Detroit! A winner for Romney. And you and Walsh are really Rae ding this wrong. Americans hate class warfare.

  291. mini robbie says:

    Bio if you don’t get the optics I can’t help you. Romney is the gop kerry. He’s electable. Only he isn’t. Bush was loarthed by the left. He was a sure loser. The dems nominated an electable guy and lost. Romney is a stiff, out of touch and from massachusetts. You keep thinking people will show up to throw out an awful president. No they won’t. Not for a guy who will raise taxes on the rich, supports mandated health care and cap and trade. You can argue all day that he’s not obama. The perception is that he is. Or kerry.

  292. DrJay says:

    you’re welcome, susyque

  293. mini robbie says:

    And bio, you can say americans don’t like class warfare but that won in 92 96 08 and lost in 00 and 04. Except 00 was a dead heat and if mitt is the nominee itr will win again. Mitt is not going to win barring a europe collapse or an israeli invasion. If the election were rtoday hed lose worse than mccain. Much worse. He has lost an unlosable race.

  294. bio mom says:

    No. You are the one who is wrong. You are looking at tithe superficial. We need competence

  295. mini robbie says:

    Bio, I can’t help you. You know who ran on competence? Dukakis. That is a losing premise. We need leadership plus competence. Your way leads to a wipeout. You are in total denial about the state of the race.

  296. bio mom says:

    Santorum is just another lifelong Washington pol. And mini Robbie is just spouting his talking points.

  297. bio mom says:

    Leading a company is real. Voting as one of 100 in the Senate is not.

  298. Compendium of Fake Definitions for HHR Typos says:

    “loarth” (verb): to hate with such venom so as to cause one to vomit. (loarthed, loarthing)

    example: Bush was “loarthed” by the left.

  299. SUSYQUE says:

    #299…don’t you call me a slut. You had better run to a shrink because you are delusional and on the verge of a mental breakdown. No decent sensible man calls a decent sensible woman a slut!
    mini is a good adjective for you…you think small and maybe there is more to that than you would admit.

  300. Help Desk Guy says:

    Lisa,

    I have not seen a beating this bad since the Tyson Spinx fight. You have beaten them so badly you have now reduced them to using fake handles!

    Stossel had a special on legalizing prostitution tonight. Basically said exactly what you did. Are you advising him now?

    How is the Iraq-Iran population fight going?

  301. mini robbie says:

    Susy you are a vapid banal slut. Bio I loarthe and loathe santorum but you are in total denial. Santorum is a speed bump. Romney is losing to obama not ricky the susy of politics.

  302. dinglewoodnorwoodbill says:

    http://stevedeace.com/news/iowa-politics/the-case-against-mitt-romney/

    The most liberal gov in history, an article exposing Romney on things many are not aware of.

    A must read for anyone supporting Romney for any reason.

    He also lied in the debate about the Catholic hospitals in MA and protecting conscience, this is a disqualifying black mark.

    Vote for Santorum in AZ and MI, if a Newt voter, vote for Rick in these 2 states…

  303. SUSYQUE says:

    #13…Sad to say, that you denigrate a woman you really don’t know and call her a vile name. Perhaps you were raised in the ghetto or a barrio and don’t know better. Perhaps you don’t have a moral compass and so you do not realize how tainted you are when you release your frustration by cursing women in some way. Are you married or do you have a sister or a mother? Would you want some strange man calling them sluts…I don’t think so…but maybe…you really don’t care because you have hate in your heart.
    That’s a bad place to be.

  304. mini robbie says:

    Susie stop playing the gender card you loser. You sound like a liberal. You are an idiot regardless of gender

  305. Tim V says:

    mini robbie = addison ?

  306. dinglewoodnorwoodbill says:

    http://www.romneyexposed.com/category/the-open-letter/

    Another site exposing Romney for who he actually is.

  307. Tim V says:

    318- hi chek

  308. SUSYQUE says:

    #313..#316…mini robbie.
    I will end this undeserved attack on my character with this:
    Contend not with a woman for no reason…when she
    has done you no wrong. Proverbs 3:30 Jewish Bible

    #317…Perhaps you are correct, Tim V

  309. Tim V says:

    why hide behind a fake hadle, who are you mini robbie ? dave wissing knows. you should be banned.

  310. Tim V says:

    o 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

  311. Compendium of Fake Definitions for HHR Typos says:

    “hadle” (noun): a posting alias chosen to specifically mock or deride the chosen posting alias of another commenter

    example: MFG posted under the “hadle” Robottie to show how much he loarthes Robbie.

  312. SUSYQUE says:

    #323…Where did you get your definition of hadle?
    or is it handle.
    ………………..
    “hadle” (noun): a posting alias chosen to specifically mock or deride the chosen posting alias of another commenter
    ……………….
    Who started all this foolish attacking one another on a blog? It is absurd to the ‘nth degree.

  313. lisab says:

    Help Desk Guy,

    long time no see :)

    actually it was just iraq not iran, and i was correct as always :)

    everyone seems to be using fake handles these days, knova, bitterlaw, tim v, mfg all use fake handles now

    tm from ga, tina, mccain, pw and alan from texas are all gone

    i am also in massachusetts now. i think i told you why — health reasons. so far so good.

  314. lisab says:

    ummmmmm …actually tm is back deflavia is gone … so hard to keep track

  315. Robottie says:

    Click click click whirrrrr…

    Jeb!!

  316. SUSYQUE says:

    #327-328..Tim V, thanks for those urls. I bookmarked them for future use.

  317. Tim V says:

    you’re welcome Susy. :)

  318. Hall Monitor says:

    #327…Tim V…one of the savvy fellows who posts on HHR mentioned that this blog may tank because of the lack of serious discussion by many of the posters. (my paraphrase) David W. has one of the
    best blogs in terms of easy usage than any other blog I have been to. Years ago, it was mainly politics and sports. Now it is littered with trash talk like the endless posts yesterday of body parts and sex. Not good. Not appropriate. We can have clean fun because we also have posters who are great punsters. Hopefully, we can return to some modicum of respect for one another. Disagreements don’t have to be peppered with swords and poison arrows. It’s called “accountable talk”.

  319. SoHope says:

    Romney unintentionally reminded voters that he is rich…bad move.

    To make up for it he needs to give his next speech dirty and stinky, wearing a “city streets” suit. No one will ever again think he is rich.

  320. bio mom says:

    When I read all 50 of the comments reacting to a very negative piece on Romney by Michael Walsh at NRO that was all about the cars statement, only 2 agreed that it was a mistake. All other commenters said it was very American and that you can see 3 or 4 cars or trucks on peoples’ driveways across America, and they are not rich. The pundit class made a big deal over this but the citizenry, especially in Motor City and in Michigan, will probably relate well to it. The whole discussion is silly and being used by those who do not like Romney to deflect attention from his tax plan or other serious issues he is talking about.

    Same for the choice of venue for his speech. The secret service nixed using the atrium at the field and that forced it to where it was in the stadium. Too bad but it wasn’t the campaign’s choice. The Economics Club chose the venue and then the security issues interfered. It is being emphasized for the same reasons as I gave above.

  321. Yolanda says:

    Ugh…Newest Romney gaffe:

    “I know how much people out there are struggling. A number of my maids were telling me last week about how much it costs for them to fill up their gas tanks! And this is even though they drive foreign cars, which get much better mileage than American-made ones. They barely know English, and they know enough that Barack Obama is ruining this country! So, you see, I may have more money than Jesus, but even I see how much people are hurting out there!”

  322. Hall Monitor says:

    #334…bio mom…You have the gift of putting words in context. I have yet to read your posts when you didn’t make sense. Good for you!

  323. SoHope says:

    Romney supersized his combo at McDonalds…daddy warbucks needs to quit showing off the big bucks!

  324. Robottie says:

    The four cars thing was a minor gaffe

    Mitt should have said My wife and I own american cars, she has a cadillac and so do I very dependable we love em!

  325. SoHope says:

    I am off to take my son to the mummy exibit…hold up the fort you guys.

  326. Bitterlaw says:

    Hope will be all wrapped up today! Tip your waitresses.

  327. Bitterlaw says:

    I was away last night judging a Mock Trial Contest at my college. Let’s just say that some of the college students were really good and some were not. The scary thing is that the Seniors are probably 21 or 22 years old. At 44, I am now literally twice their age.

  328. SUSYQUE says:

    Rev. Franklin Graham ‘I Cannot Support the President or Vote for Him’

    In this very short video, Rev. Graham says something that is very wrong.

    http://cnsnews.com/video/national/rev-franklin-graham-i-cannot-support-president-or-vote-him-0

  329. mnw says:

    I am 3 times their age.

    I always accept invites to be the mock trial judge! I like to make bad rulings ON PURPOSE… because that’s exactly whatreal judges do, & the little buggers need to get used to it.

    It’s really FUNNY to see how they react… slack-jawed amazement… “But… but… but that’s justwrong!”

    Yeah! Get used to it. You think judges are uniformly bright, or FAIR– especially if their ole buddies are on the other side, kids?

    Most of you ought to be in biz school anyway.

  330. Brandon says:

    ARIZONA (ARG)

    Romney: 39%
    Santorum: 35%
    Gingrich: 11%
    Paul: 9%

    Romney leads 50-29 among early voters. Santorum leads 41-29 among those that will vote on election day.

  331. Todd McCain says:

    346. Not sure I believe that one. Romney will win AZ by double digits.

  332. Robbie says:

    I have a hard time believing that ARG Arizona poll.

  333. Robbie says:

    But the ARG poll does match the Time and PP polls. The Marist and Rasmussen polls say something totally different.

  334. Bitterlaw says:

    Mnw – I let in a little hearsay just to “F” with them. They handled it pretty well.

  335. SUSYQUE says:

    Democratic Governors Discuss Bypassing Congress with Obama

    How can this be legal? When will this charade of a government end? Where is a government of the people by the people and for the people? Help!