Matheson in Trouble in UT

Technically Democrat Jim Matheson is an incumbent Congressman from Utah, but he has to run from a new district this year and right now, his lead is slim over three different Republican challengers according to a new poll from Mason-Dixon.

US HOUSE – UTAH – CD4 (Mason-Dixon)
Jim Matheson (D-inc) 46%
Carl Wimmer (R) 45%

Jim Matheson (D-inc) 45%
Mia Love (R) 42%

Jim Matheson (D-inc) 47%
Stephen Sandstrom (R) 41%

This poll was done April 9-11 among 625 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 5:24 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (384)

384 Responses to “Matheson in Trouble in UT”

  1. jason says:

    First. Or not.

  2. Emerica says:


  3. Emerica says:

    I Left My Wallet In El Segundo

  4. jason says:

    I agree with MD this will not be a wave election but I wouldn’t be surprised if Romney won big. I think Obama’s support in the middle could crash quickly in which case the election would look more like Bush 1 vs. Carter. Conversely Obama could win big too if the class warfare strategy works or a miracle happens in the economy.

  5. janz says:

    Pat Buchanan has a column posted in RCP entitled Obama’s Zimmerman Problem. In a fairly lengthy fashion he not only brings up conflicting problems with the case itself, but also why Obama’s initial involvement may prove troublesome for him during this election cycle.

    Where is Obama’s political problem?

    With the election on, the case has begun to divide the nation along racial lines. And Obama’s allies are doing it. It is Jesse Jackson and the Black Caucus crying that Trayvon was “hunted down like a rabid dog in the street,” that he was “murdered and martyred,” that it was a “hate crime.”

    “It’s a disgrace that man (Zimmerman) hasn’t been shot yet,” says Mike Tyson. The New Black Panther Party has put out a poster offering a $10,000 reward that reads, “Wanted: Dead or Alive.”

    The face on the poster is George Zimmerman.

    Trayvon is the victim here, but George Zimmerman is beginning to look like a victim — of lynch law and mob rule.

    With the Panthers and Tyson calling for vengeance and vigilante justice, where is Attorney General Eric Holder? Out congratulating Al Sharpton for bringing political pressure on Florida to indict.

    Is this how justice is advanced in Obama’s America?

  6. Emerica says:

    Santorum preparing to become a Romney spokesman: Santorum Scrubs Anti-Romney Content From Webs

    Just last month, Santorum was saying that voting Romney was the same as Obama. He also accused Ron Paul of being in league with Romney during the debates even though Paul is not going to support Romney.

    So Santorum is a liar. On the campaign trail he used to brag that he often abandoned his political beliefs to be a team player and give favors to the GOP leadership and lobbyists.

  7. Scott says:

    In this week’s YouGov Poll(April 7-10),which has a Party ID of 46D,35R and19(I),Obama’s approval/ disapproval is 41%/50%,respectively although it shows him leading over Romney 46% to 43%.

  8. Diogenes says:

    It will be a wave if economic numbers continue to crater. Stagnant job growth with high oil prices. Welcome back Carter! The Romney campaign should preemptively make the T-Shirts with obama’s face plastered onto the classic sitcom character’s face.

    I don’t know why people think Obama is so strong. He is no longer a blank slate. His continual lies are all catching up to him. The GOP dodged a bullet by not electing an extremist Goldwater-type candidate.

    If the moron Palinites would shut the f*ck up and let Romney craft his Reaganesque narrative, we will begin to see him start leading.

  9. John says:

    It is not that Obama is particularly string, it’s that Romney is weak.

    Plus the electorate is such polarized that there is no chance of a a 49 – state sweep.
    And third, asses such ss Dio

  10. MD says:

    John – are you a Democrat?

  11. John says:


  12. MD says:

    Just a friendly reminder, here is my bet with Pitch. Pitch only wins if Romney beats him by 8 or more. Really, this looks like easy money:

    pitchaboy says:
    September 24, 2011 at 1:12 pm
    Romney v Obama and I predict a 8 point blow out. I guess it could be a swank bottle of wine. It the spread is between 4 and 8 it is a draw, if less than 4 you win, 8 or more and I do.
    (note – $100 contrib to charity in the other’s name)

  13. MD says:

    13 – Who did you vote for in 08 John?

  14. Scott says:

    As a so-called Independent,please say something positive about:(1)The Republican Party and(2)Mitt Romney.Thanks.

  15. Diogenes says:

    Look at that, I made the troll angry. All of John’s posts are simply media matters talking points. Carter led reagan through 1984. Carter’s goose was cooked by the economy. All Reagan had to do was prove he was competent and walk through the door carter opened for him into the white house, and he did just that by winning their single debate.

    Obama has a bigger crater than people realize, espcially since the economy is teetering on the very edge right now. Any shock might send it into negative job growth. If Obama wins with non-replacement-rate job growth, 46% Gallup approval, and record-high gas prices, he would shatter all precedents.

    I had my doubts too and still do, but the Obama economy is a disaster and voters will not vote him into office again with these job numbers.

  16. MD says:

    Love the mug!

  17. Big Ben 4 liberty says:

    If the moron Palinites would shut the f*ck up and let Romney craft his Reaganesque narrative, we will begin to see him start leading.

    Comment by Diogenes — April 13, 2012 @ 5:45 pm

    You mean the one that nobody would credulously believe? The only reason Romney could possibly win is if enough of us genuine (not mindless Establishment apologist Team Red cheerleaders) conservatives are willing to hold our nose and support the guy and not vote third party, write in or not vote. Just like what happened last time.

  18. John says:

    Used to be a republican, until I realized that both parties are statists. And neither party has any clue or desire to change the disastrous trajectory of the country.

  19. John says:

    McCain in 08

  20. MD says:

    I still think Obama is the favorite but it will be very close. Clearly, Romney was our best option with this bunch. You really, truly have to be brain damaged not to have seen that much. I am very confident we keep the house. I am not as confident on the Senate as some here but I think we get a tie in the Senate at least. The Maine thing hurt and I am still not sold on Brown winning re-election in a POTUS year. I don’t say these things to be negative or positive. I was positive in 04 and in the early winter of 09 said the R’s would romp in the mids.

    I think Obama has enough factions to “probably” win. Not a guarantee though. He is an idiot and could dramatically screw up. I am hoping for that.

  21. MD says:


    Do you think Santorum or Newt would have been a better candidate? How about Paul?

  22. Diogenes says:

    The trolls have become more sophisticated. They will do everything they can to make it seem like there is no difference between Romney and Obama. It still doesn’t change anything. No matter how hard you troll, Obama is in trouble and this election will not be about Romney, it will be about Obama.

  23. MD says:

    So Ben, did you listen to Romney’s speech today? Have you ever researched Newt and Santorum on the purity issues or is that something you just save for Romney? I really wonder because logic dictates if you did research all equally, you would find that all of them aren’t pure and that Newt is downright liberal.

  24. MD says:

    There isn’t one dead ender that I can’t out debate within 2 posts. Bitter and I had the Island in complete chaos in 20 minutes. It was hysterical.

  25. Pitchaboy says:

    At this time I would give the following chances on our bet MD
    50 percent chance of a draw
    30 percent chance of my winning
    20 percent chance you win

    I will either go down in HHR as an incurable and ill informed optimist or a visionary for calling the race way in advance of most Nd against popular wisdom at that point in time

  26. John says:

    24 – no

    And no

    Here’s the dilemma for conservatives – media, dems and moderate republicans will destroy any conservative. So you will have either a dem or a dem-lite.

    The current political class has no will to be anything but statists.

  27. Quagmire (R) says:

    Ann looks great.

    Callista looks like the Joker’s lover.

    I loathe and detest that regal money gobbler and her Tiffany rings.

  28. Emerica says:

    lynnbartels ? @lynn_bartels Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Mitt Romney’s folks have a huge presence at the assemblies from greeters @ the front door to signs near the bathrooms. #copolitics #cogop

    RomneyCare people have a sophisticated presence at the caucuses tonight to try to trick people into supporting Romney delegations.

    One chairman (who also wants to be a Romney delegate) seems to be cheating saying they can’t remove her unless it’s an odd year, and she doesn’t seem to want to allow a vote to change that rule either.

  29. Emerica says:

    Rema ? @remawriter Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Crowd suggests firing CD chair for making suggestion on how to vote. She said chairs are elected on odd years, vote next time #copolitics

  30. MD says:


    I am drinking a beer and will toast to you hopefully being a visionary. It will be the best $ I would ever contribute to charity. I would be thrilled to do it.

  31. MD says:

    WTF is bunu rambling about?

  32. SusyQue says:

    Bolton: Don’t Give Obama Credit for Osama Death

    John Bolton, one of President Bush’s ambassadors to the United Nations, declared that President Obama does not deserve credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden.
    “Osama bin laden was killed while Barack Obama was president,” Bolton said at the National Rifle Association annual meeting today. “He was not killed because Barack Obama was president; and the rest of the world knows that.”
    Bolton equated Obama with the “malaise” president Jimmy Carter. “I think we’re going to take care of another malaise this November,” he said, predicting an Obama defeat.

  33. Pitchaboy says:

    I hope so too as I cannot afford four more seconds of this particular president

  34. lisab says:

    ” Ramussen undersampled Dems and oversampled Indies ”

    BS, lisab is back to her usual ways.

    Pollster don’t use the SOS registration numbers, often they are outdated. And they take into account how many actually voted in past elections, just because 44% of NC might be registered Ds they could vote at a lower rate than Rs.”

    uh huh

    i was at work all day and made one post … “romney will take NH”

    that is all

  35. lisab says:

    btw … the NC dems are in total disarray

    A former North Carolina Democratic Party staffer was sexually harassed by a party official, made a financial settlement with the party and signed a non-disclosure agreement to keep the incident quiet, according to emails obtained by The Daily Caller.

    “If this hits the media, the Democratic Party, our candidates, and our credibility are doomed in this election,” reads one email exchange between state Democratic leaders.

    An email chain between those Democratic leaders, obtained by The Daily Caller, indicates the executive director of the North Carolina Democratic Party, Jay Parmley, and the alleged sexual harassment victim both signed non-disclosure agreements.

    The email chain does not make clear who was guilty of the alleged harassment, the status of that individual’s employment with the Democratic Party or the identity of the victim.

  36. Emerica says:

    Paul took CO CD7.

    I think he should win this state.

  37. lisab says:

    me has not won the vote in any state so it does not count at all

  38. MD says:

    Pitch – it is a no lose bet for me. If you win the bet the $100 will be re-made by me 1000x over by him not being in office and if I win then the $100 will offset the 10’s of thousands I will lose directly or indirectly.

  39. lisab says:

    *paul* has not won the vote in any state so it does not count at all

  40. MD says:

    The msm desperately yearning for the “old days” when the primary was seriously contested.

  41. MD says:

    Lisab – we agree on that! Bitter loves cats.

  42. MD says:

    How many more complaints from Sidney Crysby after tonight’s Pens / Flyers game.

  43. Emerica says:

    @HaskettMichael tweets:

    “Ron Paul support dominates at Colorado’s 3rd Congressional District Assembly-people are hungry for freedom and truth”

    John Schroyer ? @Johnschroyer Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Balloting is finally closed in CD 5. Supposed to get results in 15 minutes. #copolitics

  44. jenny-former republican says:

    Callista looks creepy. Ann looks fabulous!

  45. Brandon says:

    At the Phillies game. Right field line just to the right of the foul pole(if looking from home plate).

  46. Annie says:

    John – Are you an Alex Jones listener?

  47. Bitterlaw says:

    Brandon- are you the guy wearing the Phillies hat? I think I saw tou!

  48. MD says:

    Brandon – in the last thread was 51 you? I highly doubt it.

  49. Bitterlaw says:

    Cats are good judges of character. MD. That’s why they hate you.

  50. John says:

    I am assuming Alex Jones is some radio show.

    No, I don’t listen to radio. Only limited tv.

  51. DrJay says:

    DrJay says:
    April 13, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    I sense an imminent banning.

    Dave says:
    April 13, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    The “Brandon” happened to be the same person as Dustin/Melissa from previous.

    Dave W


    Is 37 minutes short enough to be “imminent”?

  52. Brandon says:

    No it wasn’t me, MD.

  53. Bitterlaw says:

    Nobody ever pretends to be me or MD. It sort of hurts that we are not as important as Brandon. Our little a-hole has grown up so fast.

  54. MD says:

    Thanks Doc and Brandon. I missed that part of the thread.

  55. Bitterlaw says:

    Rather than watchthe Phillies or Flyers, I am going to watch War Horse with my daughter. I will follow the games on my phone. Who will be down 2-0 first – Flers or Phillies? I predict a Phillies win and Flyers loss.

  56. DrJay says:

    That was the worst troll, ever…

  57. MD says:

    Great start for the Phils.

  58. MD says:

    Can Dave just ban that particular IP?

  59. janz says:


    The opposing course of statism, or being a statist, is anarchy, or being an anarchist.

    What do you propose is the role of a government and it’s leaders, as you would like them to be?

  60. lisab says:

    a different lisab was posting as well

  61. Bitterlaw says:

    Jul likes the word “statist.” I think JT liked it, too.

  62. Travis T. Roach says:

    What, so you guys just ban anyone with an opinion? Romney-bots are so laughable… he will lose to Obama because he can’t string two words together without coming off as a clueles rich white guy! Obama 2012!

    What up MFG? Geaux LSU!

    Travis Roach Of Lafayette Louisiana

  63. MD says:


    Please, take care of this troll.

  64. DrJay says:

    Whoa! MD… check the initials… I didn’t know I was that good.

  65. MD says:

    Oh – LOL

  66. DrJay says:

    It’s sad when the fake trolls are more believable than the real ones.

  67. DrJay says:

    I don’t know if LisaB is the same troll, but I think he/she/it should be banned also.

  68. lisab says:

    the other lisa

    may be just another lisa

    just be aware of the capitalization

  69. lisab says:

    about 60 percent of drivers involved in crashes are male, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration study noted.

  70. lisab says:

    Michigan governor signs bill repealing motorcycle helmet requirement, or as it will soon be known the Natural Selection Law of 2012

  71. SusyQue says:

    Dershowitz: The charging instrument filed against George Zimmerman is “unethical” and will never make it past a judge

    Maybe her plan is to use the judge here as a get-out-of-tough-cases card? She probably knows she can’t get Zimmerman on murder two, but she also doesn’t want to be the one to have to break that to the public. She also doesn’t want to have to try to prosecute him on murder two if the evidence isn’t there, which would be a risk if the grand jury did indict him. So instead she’s taking the middle path: Go directly to the judge with a weak charging instrument and rely on him/her to throw it out. Then come back with a new affidavit listing a lesser charge — manslaughter or murder three — and say that she has no choice but to prosecute Zimmerman under that because the court stymied her on murder two. I’ll be curious to see what the fact pattern in those affidavits looks like because, frankly, if it’s as thin as the excerpt I posted up top, I’m not sure she’ll get the court to sign off on those charges either.

  72. MD says:

    Ed Rendell (yes Ed Rendell) did the same in PA.

  73. DrJay says:

    Men drive about 60% of the time.

  74. SusyQue says:

    #81…surely, the majority of the crashes involve younger men…. Teens, 20’s thirty’s….

  75. janz says:

    I just heard a clip from Romney’s NRA speech today. It was the part I’ll reference as his “hand on his heart” moment, where he was recalling meeting a soldier’s casket at the airport. As the casket was leaving the plane, Romney said he put his hand over his heart. When he looked behind him there was a crowd of people pressed against a large glass window with their hands over their heart as well, watching this dead soldier coming home.

    Romney described this incident as something he wanted to do as president, join people together in their patriotism, rather than divide them… it was a stunning moment for him, as it brought tears to my eyes just listening to him share this story.

    Romney is beginning to speak from the heart….I think he is doing better and better as a contender.

  76. lisab says:

    “surely, the majority of the crashes involve younger men”


    and stop calling me shirley

  77. SusyQue says:

    #84…lisab…are you telling me, SQ to stop calling you shirley? You must be thinking of someone else. Now that I look back on the post,
    it says SURE-LY (surely. Are you being funny or as some have it…sarcastic?

  78. jenny-former republican says:

    the texas senate debate is on television.

  79. SusyQue says:

    #83…janz…I felt the same way. I really have a fondness for Romney…a deep respect that touches my heart.

  80. Bitterlaw says:

    Sweet Jesus, SSQ. Are you dense? Have you seen the movie Airplane?

  81. SusyQue says:

    Bitter….no, I did not see the movie Airplane and I am not dense and it is unkind of you to say that to anyone. Ok…smarty pants!

  82. SusyQue says:

    Bitter, you can learn something from me. Don’t use the holy name of Jesus as an exclamation!

    P.S. I still like you even with all your faults.

  83. Enjolras says:

    Hah, you people have trolls stealing your usernames.

    I have people pretending to be me and making phone calls to my political allies at 2am!

    Beat THAT!

  84. Enjolras says:


    If you’re around, is Milne’s primary challenger gaining any ground? The PSEA is doing a big push for Milne.

    Wonder if I should tell them he’s a rtw cosponsor? 😉

  85. Tim says:

    Yeah, she was smarter than you.

  86. Tim says:

    Well, at least he didn’t tell any ridiculous stories this year about being a hunter.

  87. Enjolras says:

    Hmm. All that’s left are the only 2 posters who won’t be voting for Romney OR Obama?

  88. Tim says:

    Friday nights are always slow, here.

  89. Tim says:

    Randy Wolf was just throwing batting practice, tonight.

  90. Emerica says:

    Our colorado count national delegates


    Santorum 6
    Paul 6
    Probably Paul, 6
    Romney 5
    Can’t find information 3

  91. Enjolras says:

    Scratch that. The only 3 posters 😉

  92. Walt says:

    Was it the Phillies who had the Brownie’s Potato Chips as a sponsor back in the 50s and 60s?

  93. Walt says:

    Oh, and C

  94. jenny-former republican says:

    I just watched the clip of Obama defending Michelle in 2008. She looked like ugly Aunt Esther. She’s better looking today.

    go mitt & ann romney!

  95. DrJay says:

    Colorado totals

    Romney: relevance?
    Paul: who cares?
    Santorum: does it matter?
    Gingrich: is he still running?

  96. Emerica says:

    Gingrich got none. We believe Paul took the most, but we can’t say for sure.

  97. Tim says:

    Here’s another sports thought. If Dwight Howard is not playing, then neither should the Magic.

  98. janz says:

    The latest Obama campaign plot seems to be The Draperizating of Mitt Romney.

    Clearly the Rosen attack on Ann Romney was a preemptive strike in putting this strategy into motion. By painting Ann Romney as some kind of “do-nothing-never-worked-a-day-in-her-life woman,” adding the rouge of wealth to her lifestyle, you have a picture of a presidential couple you can throw to the wolves of the 99% crowd (which was also fabricated by Obama operatives, I’m sure). This was calculated to be a symbolically distasteful image to distract from a campaign having a huge vacancy sign as to listing any real achievements.

    However, I think this retro 50?s script, that is now being rolled out to make Romney and his wife appear like stilted, out-of-touch figures, will backfire, just like Rosen’s initial comment did. I think the Obama crowd is just not gauging the social climate out there well. People are unhappy, uneasy that’s for sure. But, many look at the 50?s rather wistfully, an era of stability and a defined family nucleus of Dad, Mom and children. Like the hit show The Wonder years, it dipicted a time full of dreams, wonder and endless possibilities.

    Thus, having a dignified strong man as a presidential candidate, along with a supportive wife, who is treated equally in their marriage, along with a large robust family is a positive image for this country. Therefore, IMO, people may be attracted to the very qualities that Obama is attempting to distort and highlight as being repugnant. Ironic…..

  99. janz says:

    Josh Romney has endorsed <a href= Love in the above Utah contest.

  100. janz says:

    link for botched #107 link.

  101. Enjolras says:

    Got paid today.

    Sending $25 to Friends of Scott Walker.

    You should too.

  102. Barrett says:

    #109 – Sounds like a good idea to me

  103. Enjolras says:


    I may be a dreadful Republican, but I’m a loyal Conservative. Every time I get some $ I send some to Walker (and the USO).

  104. Walt says:

    I also got 2 mailers to support Scott Walker in the recall campaign.

    Walker is linking the recall effort to national Dems, Obama, big out of state union, dirty tricks, etc.Flat out saying if you want to fight Obammer and make him a one term president, then send me money to defeat the recall effort.
    Walker is definitely taking the defense of the recall national if he is sending them to me here in WV.

  105. Walt says:

    Saw in the last thread that
    Mole-issa/Dustin/NC fake people/etc/etc/etc
    posted as “Brandon” and Dave outed them.
    Can Dave just not ban that IP address to prevent further mischief?

  106. Bitterlaw says:

    War Horse was a good movie. I’m glad I watched it rather than watching the Phillies. Warning to parents – there is a not a lot of violence but people and horses do die.

  107. Bitterlaw says:

    Let’s Go Flyers! 8-5 win.

  108. SoHope says:

    Haha…SSQ, go to blockbuster and rent Airplaine! They have it on vhs…if you cant/wont then atleast buy the cliffnotes.

  109. SoHope says:

    One more day to go and I need a vacation from my vacation!

  110. bio mom says:

    Romney just needs to stay on message and focus on the economy, jobs, and being against the government directed society.

  111. Emerica says:

    Kim Kardashian latest romance is Kanya West.

    Bet that one lasts long.

  112. Bitterlaw says:

    Hope – did you get to the zoo? Any good restaurants?

  113. Enjolras says:


    WIGOP, TP Express, and Friends of Scott Walker all have been sending me donation requests to fight the recall and I’ve given every time.

  114. SusyQue says:

    #117…..Hi…I might have seen it. It’s an old movie 1980 I think.
    I googled the plot summary. Not a movie that interests me.

  115. SoHope says:

    Zoo, monuments, holocaust memorial, the place they make money (i think I saw bunu protesting and got tased), kennedy center for a concert. Kids are out cold.

    No good resturants. We had bojangles tonight.

  116. SoHope says:

    Ssq, do you like gladiator movies?

  117. Diamond Jim says:

    121. Thanks from a Wisconsinite.

  118. Emerica says:

    Gladiator movie kind of reminds me of that Will Smith independence day movie.

    A lot about nothing.

  119. SoHope says:

    My mom dated a guy from WI. They couldnt decide wgo talked weirder.

  120. SusyQue says:

    The problem with sending donations is they never stop asking for more. Same with giving to charities. One becomes overwhelmed
    with mail with “Urgent” on it. It turns me off. I want to give when
    I don’t feel pressured.

  121. SoHope says:

    Bunu, did you post bail or do they have wifi in jail?

  122. SusyQue says:

    #125….I mainly like british dramas, classics, historical fiction, biographies, All War movies, mystery- who done it,

  123. SusyQue says:

    130 Error…wrong #…..124 sohope

  124. Bitterlaw says:

    Ever see a grown man naked, Johnny?

  125. Bitterlaw says:


    Here is the clip from Airplane Shirley vs Surely

  126. SusyQue says:

    #124…sohope…I also like cowboy movies and indian movies. I am a Turner Classic Movie fan….love those old movies and the great
    movie stars and character actors. No commercials.

  127. Emerica says:

    The newest break down tonight out of Colorado is Ron Paul 9, Santorum 7 and romney 5

    These delegates will meet tomorrow at the state convention to elect national delegates.

    Romney will need an alliance with the Santorum people to take delegates.

    Paul 9 vs Romney-Santorum 12

    (that’s only if the Santo people cooperate with Mittons)

  128. SusyQue says:

    Bitter…thanks for the clip…no I have never seen that movie. I don’t like that wacky kind of movie. Surely, you understand!

  129. bio mom says:

    136. Who cares?

  130. bio mom says:

    135 sorry 136

  131. Emerica says:

    Deny Romney any delegates in Missouri, Colorado and Nevada.

    Then he will at least need to win the final states to be the nominee.

  132. Walt says:

    12 Secret service guys guarding Obama guys sent home from Columbia due to involvement with Columbian prostitutes…

  133. Emerica says:

    Conservatives unite to block Romney’s

    ENVER – Two Ron Paul supporters from Southwest Colorado were elected delegates to the Republican National convention this afternoon, a development that took Mitt Romney’s Colorado campaign by surprise.

  134. Walt says:


    If there is a movie that is made about the 12 SS agents, will you watch it?

  135. SusyQue says:

    #143…Walt..where and when does it take place?

  136. SusyQue says:

    #138…bio mom…I can’t believe how desperate the guys are to keep Romney from the nomination. Who are these “conservatives?”

  137. Emerica says:

    Donate money to Gingrich? He’ll rent his donor list out to telemarketers and still run a 5 million dollar debt to demand that Romney pays.

    Obviously don’t donate to fat toad.
    Gingrich Rents out his donor list

    Facing a $4.5 million-and-growing debt from his flailing campaign, Newt Gingrich is now offering to rent out his 194,000-name campaign donor list for up to $26,000, reports Politico.

    The price depends on how many names are shared, according to the article. Gingrich is charging $135 for each 1,000 names rented, and more if specific donor levels or geographic areas are targeted. Politico calculates that each time the full lists are rented, it could rake in between $19,000 and $26,000 for the campaign, after subtracting for the broker’s commission of typically 10% to 20%.

  138. SusyQue says:

    #147…How dishonorable is that…donations will dry up fast if this is the MO of candidates. Newt
    is unethical unless he gets that donors permission.

  139. Emerica says:

    The RomneyCare folks are going to cost the GOP the Supreme court by electing this guy.

    Don’t put a socialist in charge of the GOP, and expect the base to support him in the GE. Another McCain getting less votes than Bush scenario is approaching.

  140. lisab says:

    the war on women just gets better and better

    can we say, “exploiting poor women in developing countries for sex work”

    US secret service agents sent to provide security for Barack Obama at a summit in Colombia have been relieved of their duties and sent home after allegations of personal misconduct.

    A secret service spokesman would neither confirm nor deny an anonymous claim to the Associated Press that the misconduct involved prostitutes in Cartagena, where the Summit of the Americas meeting is being held.

    A US official said 12 agents had been relieved of duty. The official was not authorised to discuss the matter and requested anonymity.

    In a statement on Friday night, the secret service spokesman Edwin Donovan said other agents had taken the place of those sent back to the US. He added that the personnel changes would not affect the security plan prepared for the president’s visit.

    Donovan said the allegations of misconduct were related to activity before the president arrived in Cartagena on Friday afternoon.

    The Washington Post reported that Jon Adler, president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, had said the accusations related to at least one agent having involvement with prostitutes in Cartagena. The association represents federal law enforcement officers, including the secret service.

    Ronald Kessler, a former Post reporter and the author of a book about the secret service, told the Post that he had learned that 12 agents were involved, several of them married.

  141. bio mom says:

    Emerica, you are no longer amusing, just tiresome.

  142. SusyQue says:

    The Sleeping Giant (Why ooo will not win a second term.)

    When the people are so terrified of losing their FREEDOM to the person whose solemn oath is to protect that FREEDOM, these people will mobilize. They will become fully engaged in the political process. And they will become a force to be reckoned with.

  143. SusyQue says:

    Problems with the Zimmerman Affidavit
    By John Work 4-14-12

    I spent twenty years working Colorado law enforcement, followed by nearly two years as an investigator for the Colorado State Public Defender’s Office. Ten of my twenty-two years in the criminal justice arena were in the area of criminal investigations, complex and simple.

    Read more:

  144. SusyQue says:

    Ten Indications That Obama Is Scared
    By Kevin Jackson

    Obama is not the cool, calm, and collected guy that he portrays publicly; he’s far from it. Obama is described privately as a thin-skinned hot-head when it comes to questioning his policies, or anything else, for that matter.

  145. Pitchaboy says:

    Just heard Larry sabato talk. He believes double dip could be around

  146. MD says:

    Pitch – ECRI says it wouldn’t be a double dip but a new recession. Since we have been in a very sluggish recovery (to say the least) they would be right. ECRI has stuck to their guns on a recession being right around the corner. I saw the head of the firm on CNBC and lib Andrew Ross Sorkin was all over him trying to trip him up.

    My honest opinion is that I don’t know for sure. I will say this. The CPI number is total crap, 100%. All the “deflationary” items are things you seldom buy. All the “inflationary” items are things we need every single day like gas and food. This is the result of the endless $ pumping. So (I am going somewhere with this), the average person is going to have much less in discretionary spending. That could cause us to slip into another recession. Also, keep an eye on Spain. It is Greece x 10000. It cannot be bailed out. Chaos could be right around the corner.

  147. jason says:

    I am jealous of Brandon. He has a troll following.

    Maybe a jasonn will show up?

  148. jason says:

    I don’t have a problem with Secret Service agents consorting with hookers in Colombia if on their own time and expense.

  149. client number nine's client says:

    And I don’t believe the crock that prostitution is “exploitation of women” either.

  150. Scott says:

    There are plenty of economic headwinds–petro,housing,expiration of the Bush and payroll tax cuts in about seven(7) months,over 8% unemployment,the uncertainty surrounding ObamaCare,the EuroZone and the Feds bizarre interventions through massive pump priming.
    Right now,we are in a stagflation phase,to be followed by rampant inflation and then a severe recession.

  151. SoHope says:

    163, it is an economic transaction (a sinful and dangerous one , imo) They are both using each other..assuming that the woman isnt forced into that work.

  152. jason says:

    Joel Klein at Time:

    ” In the end, though, presidential elections are about character, not policies. That is why Obama has a good chance to be reelected this year–people may disagree with or be disappointed by him, but they see him as smart and solid and decent. Mitt Romney may trump that in the debates this October, but for now he is perceived, especially by women, as inconstant and insensitive.”

    Obama is smart and solid and decent.

    Romney is inconstant and insensitive.

    The MSM promotes the narrative and then reaches conclusions based on that narrative.

    Note that even if you think Obama is wrong on policies and you are disappointed in him, you should vote for him because he decent and solid.

  153. jason says:

    ” They are both using each other..assuming that the woman isnt forced into that work.”

    So what? I agree that if the woman is a sex slave, that’s a crime.

    But if women want to sell their bodies for money and men want to pay for it it’s certainly ok with me.

  154. SoHope says:

    The Second Amendment is an amendment for all mankind and an amendment which will improve all mankind.” -Newt

    I actually disagree. If middleast countries want to ban guns then fine by me. I will keep my freedom and they can suck it!

  155. SoHope says:

    Jason, I agree that in a morality vacuum that prostitution could be legal. My opposition is based on morality and and some what on saftey.

  156. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:

    @169 actually wherever prostitution has been legalized, murders of them fall so it is a safety argument there. as for morality, I say leave that to personal responsibility.

    btw Rasmussen has Romney up 5 w/ a 45% approval of Obama. Looks like the post-primary bump for Mitt is happening virtually overnight in the likely voters poll

  157. nowitall says:

    Joel Kline is a reprobate liberal.

  158. jason says:

    ” My opposition is based on morality and and some what on saftey.”‘

    Can’t argue with morality but safety is a crock. Life is full of risks, you could die from a raw oyster but millions eat them anyway.

    It’a probably more dangerous to drive on I-95 than it is to have sex with a hooker.

  159. mnw says:

    RAS Saturday: Roboto +5 over zero.

    (I’m not gonna read the whole thread, so I don’t know if this was already posted or not. When in doubt, push it out.)

  160. mnw says:

    The execrable St. Louis Post-Disgrace has a big ole page-1-above-the-fold “news” story this weekend about how Sky Queen’s re-election campaign in MO is in absolutely f’n fan-fn-TASTIC shape! That fat corrupt old kow is kickin’ righteous adz, apparently.

    And also, per the journo-LISTs, how Sky Queen’s likely re-election will almost certainly “be the key” that will keep the Senate in DEM/zero control!

    I feel soiled when I read the Disgace– as if I’d stepped in dog poo.

  161. jason says:

    The conventional wisdom is that Rob Portman will be the VP nominee. Yet he is at only chance on Intrade.

    If you believe in conventional wisdom you can make some money.

  162. Waingro says:

    Ras #’s are very encouraging. This tells me Repubs are all finally consolidating around Romney.

    The Hillary Rosen gaffe could have only helped!

  163. Pitchaboy says:

    SabAto who was sure of Obama winning now gives him at best 50 percent

  164. mnw says:

    Fom what I read, the universal conventional wisdom about Wed’s Lugar-Mourdock debate is that it “ended in a tie” & that both candidates made nice with each other.

    How good is “a tie” for a veteran incumbent running in a primary against an opponent with little name recognition?

    answer: not very!

    Mourdock leads Lugar among self-identified Republicans, but DEMs are keeping Lugar competitive… if they really DO vote in the IN GOP primary. (Color me dubious about that.)

  165. jason says:

    Funny, I read where Dems are going to vote for Mourdock because the polls show him easier to beat in the GE.

    But I guess it works both ways.

    “Those Democrats who regard Lugar as a statesman _ a conservative they don’t always agree with, but still a statesman _ could decide to help him stave off the challenge from Richard Mourdock, the Tea Party favorite.

    Other Democrats, if playing the sabotage game, could vote for Mourdock, regarded as a weaker fall opponent for Congressman Joe Donnelly, who will be the Democratic senatorial nominee.”

  166. Pitchaboy says:

    Believes House is easy hold for repubs and senate likely 51-49 R

  167. hugh says:

    In Indiana this year, Mourdock will win the general if he wins the primary, so like Rubio vs Crist go Mourdock. Its not like the disasters in NV and DE last time around.

  168. hugh says:

    Who cares about Klein? Only far left wing libs read Time anymore.

  169. MD says:

    MNW – the Dems could break against Lugar in the hope of getting a pure marxist in office.

    Klein is an absolute joke. Who cares?

    The Philly Inq is running the same crap about Obama.

    As for prostitution, I do think it should be legal (this is the libertarian in me) and regulated. It should be in “red lights”. Tax it.

    I do understand and respect the moral argument against that.

  170. jason says:

    In #175 it should have said Portman only at 12% chance.

  171. jason says:

    Thie idiot Hampton Dellinger (who names your son Hampton?) wrote an article defending John Edwards ahead of his trial and came up with this howler:

    ” The tens of millions spent by Sheldon Adelson, Foster Friess and others in explicit support of 2012 Republican presidential primary campaigns makes the $900,000 spent keeping Hunter content and quiet seem rather paltry.”

    So get this: the moron is comparing money spent on a national primary campaign for President with money spent to keep Edward’s girlfriend quiet, and comes to the conclusion its “paltry” in comparison.

    Don’t believe someone could be that stupid? Hey, the Atlantic published it.

  172. Bitterlaw says:

    Breaking News – Archaelogists have determined that the Mayans actually predicted that 2012 would be the end of Ron Paul’s political career. The rest of us are fine.

  173. jason says:

    186. Stop making things up. It didn’t say Ron Paul. It said it would be the end of the career of a 76 year old anti-semitic racist porker truther who was running for President and was 0-38 in primaries and caucuses.

  174. jason says:

    ” Deny Romney any delegates in Missouri, Colorado and Nevada.

    Then he will at least need to win the final states to be the nominee.”

    Wow, how far we have come…

    Bunu went from hoping Ron Paul would be the nominee to hoping Romney will have to win the final states to be the nominee.

    I have to admit the latter is more feasible than the former, although neither will actually happen.

    And Paulbots are real believers in Democracy and the rule of the people. Romney won 50% of the vote in Nevada, but Bunu thinks he should be denied any delegates.

  175. GFF says:

    Indeed, but not for you. 😉

  176. lisab says:

    actually i think prostitution should be legal too

    but i just thought the story fit well with obama’s war on women meme

  177. lisab says:

    ‘I love my sugar daddy lifestyle!’ Student, 21, who finds rich older man on controversial dating site gives up nursing dreams to pursue lucrative life as a ‘sugar babe’

    A woman who signed up to one of the world’s most controversial online dating agencies has revealed how it helped her find a sugar daddy – and now says she has given up her nursing dreams to become a full-time ‘sugar babe’.

    Josie Dewing, 21, from Kent, turned down a place at university studying paediatric nursing after becoming a member of and discovering she could earn much more pursuing a so-called sugar babe lifestyle.

    Previously catering predominantly for a U.S. audience, the site, which offers young women – many of them students struggling with big debts – the opportunity to ‘hook up’ with richer older men, has recently come to the UK.

    Dubbing the financially challenged girls the ‘sugar babes’, the site claims the girls can earn as much as £15,000 a month for their relationships with older ‘sugar daddies.’

  178. DrJay says:

    Can a premium member let me know the other number for this on Rasmussen?

    46% in Massachusetts Want Supreme Court to Overturn Health Care Law

    It just says they are evenly divided…

    It then states: …44% believe the state’s health care reform plan has been a success. Thirty-one percent (31%) say the plan… has been a failure.

  179. lisab says:

    man jailed for driving into a flock of seagulls and running. he ran so far away he couldn’t get away.
    A 43-year-old Ormond Beach man was sentenced to 270 days in jail for killing one seagull and injuring two others when he twice drove into flocks of the birds in January.

    Nicholas M. Ulsch pleaded no contest Thursday to animal cruelty charges as well as violation of probation stemming from a 2009 animal cruelty case, State Attorney’s spokeswoman Klare Ly said.

  180. lisab says:

    “Thirty-one percent (31%) say the plan… has been a failure.”

    it is good but pricey

    we have a mercedes plan

    we probably need a toyota plan

  181. lisab says:

    after an elaborate operation led by French customs, the Social Security dept., the police transport division, and months of surveillance, French police arrest souvenir shop owners for selling mini Eiffel Towers without a permit

  182. lisab says:

    15-year-old girl saves 25 horses from fire, treated for smoke inhalation, now in stable condition

  183. Tim V says:

    no comments since 1:34. lisab killed the thread.

  184. If Emerica is correct on all the predictions of Ron Paul taking Caucus delegates where they didn’t “win”, that will be the end of the caucus process. I wonder if even Iowa will change to a Primary.

  185. nah, it is just too old of a thread.

  186. Bitterlaw says:


  187. Bitterlaw says:

    The main problem with legalized prostitution is that most of the women won’t be hot. Of course, as a girl told me in college, “All cats are gray in the dark.” I’m not sure that she was talking about cats.

  188. Jerry muthertruckin' Cruncher says:

    The next ooo clone will be Corey Booker or Harold Ford.unfortunately, ooo will have ruined their chances because dem policies stink for the economy and freedom.

  189. DrJay says:

    Pyramid contestant 1: “All cats are gray in the dark.”

    Pyramid Contestant 2: “Something an old cougar might say.”


  190. DrJay says:

    I thought the libs said they never used the phrase war on women:

    Wisconsin for Falk: Walker’s War On Women Is Outrageous

    “Scott Walker continued his War On Women by secretly repealing the Equal Pay Enforcement Act. Kathleen Falk will stand up for Wisconsin women and level the playing field.”

  191. SusyQue says:

    WHAT’S with O’Reilly and the “Book of Santorum”

  192. DrJay says:

    RACINE, WI (WTAQ) Illinois Congressman Jessie Jackson Junior (sic) tells Wisconsin voters they should start a recall effort against Congress Paul Ryan – after they get done with Governor Scott Walker.

    I’m sure having an election every 5 minutes is doing wonders for Wisconsin’s budget.

  193. Ted O says:

    #192…It’s 46% VS 46% For/Against Obamacare being overturned…

  194. DrJay says:

    Thanks a bunch, Ted.

  195. Tim V says:

    SusyQue says:
    April 14, 2012 at 4:06 pm
    WHAT’S with O’Reilly and the “Book of Santorum”

    it comes after chronicles

  196. Tony says:

    Hi all.

    Just a drive by and a quick read through some of the comments as we get ready for November.

    So far I’m feeling good about Republicans and therefore the USAs chance to regain greatness.

  197. jason says:

    Hey Tony welcome back and I hope you are right.

  198. janz says:

    Puerto Rico Governor Fortuno is a sleeper VP pick

    Fortuno is on the 4th tier of Larry Sabato’s VP list. This guy has crossed my mind earlier as a possible VP choice for anyone who was in the original field. He is definitely a dark horse kind of candidate, a bold one, like Sarah Palin was for McCain. But choosing him does give the ticket some definite pluses.

  199. MD says:

    I don’t see that one at all janz.

  200. Tony says:

    Thanks jason.

    I’ll stick around until I’m banned again.

  201. Sweater Rick says:

    Governor of Puerto Rico? Only if he speaks English!

  202. Sweater Rick says:

    MD – I am not worried about the Phillies. I am just damned annoyed.

  203. MD says:

    Why were you banned Tony? I don’t recall you getting in too many scrapes around here.

  204. MD says:

    Bitter – you should be worried about them.

  205. Bitterlaw says:

    MD – my neighbor just told me he daughter has an internship this summer working with the homeless in Philadelphia. Her daughter is majoring in social work at Loyola (Maryland). Her mother is not exactly thrilled. She said, “I’m so glad that after $200k in tuition she can graduate next year and make $28,000 a year.”

  206. Bitterlaw says:

    MD – you like to be negative to showcase your brilliant sports knowledge. I have no doubt that the Phillies will win the division becuase the other teams are not ready to do it this year.

  207. Bitterlaw says:

    I sometimes wonder if Victorino will ever learn to play center field so he doesn’t have to run like crazy to catch up to the balls that would be easy of he was in proper position.

  208. janz says:

    #215 He speaks perfect English.

    MD, FOrtuno is a speculative ‘dark horse,’ that’s all. He’s attractive to a ticket only because he has all the assets Rubio has, articulate, smart, very conservative, hispanic, but is older, 51 yrs and obviously governor of a small territory with no electoral votes.

  209. Tony says:

    MD, not quite sure why I was banned.

    I think it started with someone accusing be of being eph.

  210. Bitterlaw says:

    I need to replace my phone. Unless IPhones stopped sucking with e-mail, I guess I have to get another Blackberry since I need to rad my work e-mails.

  211. Eph Sucks says:

    MD, not quite sure why I was banned.

    I think it started with someone accusing be of being Tony.

  212. Bitterlaw says:

    Tony – Eph is now a resident of The Island of Misfit Toys a/k/a

  213. Tony says:


    I haven’t been to bjg in a while, but I don’t think they are a bad group of people. They just have a more hard line social conservative ideology than hedgehog does.

    I just prefer the ongoing poll report and number crunching that goes on here.

  214. Emerica says:

    State convention is over in Colorado. Results not until tomorrow, but rumor that Paul took around 50% of the delegates.

    Hopefully got the rest and not Romney.

    Paul should do quite well in Minnesota and Missouri as well.

  215. MD says:

    Dear God,

    I know you know I don’t believe in you but if you can make Chris Wheeler contract an illness that will render his vocal cords mute, I will reconsider. I am not asking for death or pain. Just silence. Dear God, please!

  216. Tony says:

    Does Paul know the ump already called the game?

  217. Emerica says:


    We’ll see. I want Paul to win at least 5 states, and go to the convention with more than Santorum at least.

  218. NorthCarolinaParakeetsForMitt says:


  219. Emerica says:

    We’re going to take more delegates than Santorum in his “super sweep” states of Colorado, Missouri and Minnesota.

    I want Paul to win Maryland and Nevada from Romney.

    Also Washington. There are a few others we have a chance at.

  220. Emerica says:

    If Obama wins a second term, the Romneycare folks will have no one to blame but themselves.

    The same people who tried to elect John McCain.

  221. Tony says:


    Santorum will most likely be veep, so I don’t really think it matters what happens with Paul.

    Together, Santorum and Romney take PA off the table in November.

  222. MD says:

    Yea, Paul would have destroyed Obama. No doubt. Same for Newt or Santorum. People wonder why I throw around the term retard so freely.

    Bunny with Paul and JudyThighs with Santorum. Both the same type of retard.

  223. MD says:


    I will bet you $10,000 that won’t happen.

  224. Emerica says:!/blackthisout/status/191296190397165568

    Paul wins big Colorado and Minnesota today.

  225. NorthCarolinaParakeetsForMitt says:


  226. Tony says:

    What, the taking of PA?


  227. MD says:

    No, Santorum as veep. Make it $20,000.

  228. MD says:

    10 to 1 odds so you only risk $2000.

  229. NorthCarolinaParakeetsForMitt says:

    I’ll be the VP selection before Pope Ricky

  230. Emerica says:

    Make the football players where super gigantic padded helmets.

  231. Tony says:

    The better choices are Rubio and Ryan and that won’t happen.

    Romney needs a Conservative and Santorum is probably it.

  232. MD says:


    OK then. So that is a yes to the bet. I will put up $20,000 against your $2,000. You collect if Santorum is the VP candidate. I collect if he isn’t.

  233. MD says:

    I offer the same bet to anyone else from the island as well especially JudyThighs. I can cover it.

  234. NorthCarolinaParakeetsForMitt says:

    The game is inherently unsafe Acroso and I suppose everyone is trying to see what can be done without utterly ruining the sport

    I support banning hits on defenseless players and most of the other safety rules but at a certain point it cant be made less dangerous

  235. NorthCarolinaParakeetsForMitt says:

    Tony, are you the Tony who used to post on bjg and your team is the Chargers?

  236. MD says:

    I agree MFG. It is also the height of absurdity for Goodell to preach all this stuff while at the same time proposing a 18 game regular season.

  237. NorthCarolinaParakeetsForMitt says:

    Pope Ricky is 3.4 on Intrade to be VP

  238. MD says:

    I want confirmation from Tony that our bet is on.

  239. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:

    so is Bunu/Emerica mentally ill or something? he/she really has made itself think Paul is winning primaries hes not

  240. MD says:



  241. NorthCarolinaParakeetsForMitt says:

    I want the game safer MD

    I have continuous hip and right knee problems from playing all those years ago, but honestly I don’t regret it

    We’ve got to find that sweet spot, as safe as possible without wrecking the game…

  242. NorthCarolinaParakeetsForMitt says:

    18 games is very bad, frankly 16 is too much

    They should drop it to 12-14 expand the rosters and add more bye weeks

    It’ll never happen of course…

  243. MD says:

    A 14 game reg season with 2 buys, one early and one late. Also, contract 1 playoff round.

    All of the above will never happen in a million years. Santorum will be Veep first.

  244. MD says:

    I guess another islander is gone.

  245. MD says:

    Just found out my cousins daughter is a model who has gotten a lot of work. She is 21 and simply gorgeous. He worries about her all the time. I’ll find some pics since she does a lot of clothing modeling.

  246. Tony says:


    Yep, go bolts.

    Are you MFG?

  247. MFG says:


    Good to see you Tony!

  248. MFG says:

    Cant believe you guys paid Robert Meachem $26 million to be your #1 receiver

    He’s good but I think you way overpaid

  249. SusyQue says:

    209…Tim V….Hi Tim…Can’t figure out why O’Reilly is using that term. He praised him a lot but also said he made a mistake by talking about values.

  250. Tony says:

    MD that would be a fools bet on my part at any ratio.

    The thinkers on Romneys team had to see that a fairly week social conservative candidate gave Romney a fit.

    Mitt needs a social conservative. If not Rick, then who?

  251. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:

    the more I hear my brothers leftists crap the more I think he is the poster Tim here lol

  252. Tony says:

    Hey MFG. Good to see you again.

    I hope Meachem pans out. The acquision of Mario Henderson from the Raiders to bolster the OL should do the trick. That guy is a monster.

  253. Emerica says:

    Not sure what shenanigans got pulled in Colorado, but Romney might be taking about the same as Paul. O well.

    Paul swept Oklahoma 3rd and 5th districts 100% of delegates today as well. 4th district is next weekend.

  254. MD says:


  255. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:

    Santorum needs to stay away from Mitt of we want to win this

  256. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:


  257. Emerica says:

    In North Dakota, the chairman refused to count the actual caucus votes, and just declared Romney won.

    Seems the same game plan occurring in Colorado.

  258. SusyQue says:

    #229…MD…Be very careful about calling on God for a wicked purpose. I know you are jesting, but it is mocking God and the very thing you ask for others can come upon you or your family. Your heart will become so dead and your consciences so stupefied, that when God’s voice calls you to repent, it will pass by you without affecting you in the least. That’s a very bad place to be in. So, for your sake, don’t mess with Almighty God.

  259. bio mom says:

    Emerica I have decided that you are truly nuts and need medication of some sry. Seriously!

  260. bio mom says:

    Of some sort.

  261. Tony says:

    1. Anybody but Obama.
    2. Anybody but Obama but not if Santorum is vpotus.

    MD, your selection?

  262. MD says:

    Dear God please ignore SusyQue and give Chris Wheeler a 6 month case of laryngitis.

    PS SQ – my heart is already dead.

  263. bio mom says:


    Not happening. Never. Santorum was not a graceful loser.

  264. Tony says:

    That Mia Love Love looks interesting.

  265. lisab says:

    Spitfires buried in Burma during war to be returned to UK

    Twenty iconic Spitfire aircraft buried in Burma during the Second World War are to be repatriated to Britain after an intervention by David Cameron.

  266. MD says:

    I am 100% certain we lose with Santorum. Fortunately, the majority of the party has enough brain cells to recognize this simple fact.

    I could go on literally all day with candidates that would be better than Santorum. Here is 30 as a starter:

    Johnson (sen – WI)
    King (both of them)
    Pat Roberts (Kansas)
    Jeff Sessions
    James Risch
    Marsha Blackburn
    Cathy McMorris Rodgers
    Condi Rice
    Bobby Jindal
    Dave Heinemen
    Kay Granger
    Martha Roby
    Dan Burton
    Mike Pence
    Bill Schuster
    Tim Murphy

    Really, it took me about 8 minutes to come up with this and I will repeat – ANYONE. Man up and take the bet. Here is how far down I will go. I would take Pam Bondi, the AG for FL before Santorum.

  267. MD says:

    Those candidates are NOT in order of my preference for the record.

    Santorum is one step above Satan. Just one.

  268. MD says:

    If I use God’s name in vain for 10 consecutive posts will everyone I know die a painful death?

  269. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:

    I agree MD, Romney would be nuts to pick the man who helped cause us the gender gap, THANK GOD Rosen opened her mouth up and helped begin the comeback from that

  270. Tony says:

    Anybody on the list as vp including Santorum could beat Obama-Biden.

    However, if we can’t to kick the dems in the teeth we need a Conservative on the ticket.

    Christie, McDonnel, Johnson, Daniels, Pence, Rice, Sessions. Out

  271. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:

    if McDonell and Pence arent conservatives then your bar is too high Tony

  272. Tony says:

    Caused the gender gap?

    Look, I appreciate the fact that HH is soley a fiscal Conservative website. I get it and I respect it. I’m not asking anybody to change.

    But please don’t post bs like Santorum caused the gender gap. None of the exit polls support your premise.

  273. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:

    so you don’t think the fact polls started showing a gender gap after Santorum went on his diatribes on women on the pill and working women had any correlation?

  274. Tony says:

    Wasn’t McDonnel part of the immigration bs of 2008? I may be thinking of McConnel.

    What we need is a conservative NOT from a red state. We win those states regardless of who is on the ticket.

    What we need is a Conservative from a blue or toss-up state.

  275. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:

    if you think VA is a red state then its obv. your not very election handicapping/strategy savvy, the state is now a swing state and prob a future blue one thanks to the growth in North VA.

  276. MD says:

    blah, blah, blah…

    Always the same stuff from the islanders and they are always proven wrong. They keep going though.

    Pope Rick will never get the nod. NEVER.

  277. MD says:

    I know, I know

    McCain, McCain, McCain, McCain

    Funny, I supported Romney in 08 but that doesn’t make a difference in the world of an Islander.

  278. Tony says:

    It started with the left trying to get a foothold on anything they could. Womens issues were just another one of their desperate straw they were groping for. Right now it is race issues. Tomorrow it will be the environment.

    Ricks personal issue regarding the pill would have died off within a week–like any other bs the left pits against us.

  279. DrJay says:

    If you are going to put a Pennsylvanian a-hole on the ticket, at least pick one from philly.

  280. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:

    Tony do you get all your news from Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin?

  281. lisab says:

    Sen. Orrin Hatch “doggone offended” by “radical libertarians,” threatens to punch them (us) in the mouth

    “These people are not conservatives. They’re not Republicans,” Hatch angrily responds. “They’re radical libertarians and I’m doggone offended by it.”

    Then Hatch, a former boxer, turns combative. “I despise these people, and I’m not the guy you come in and dump on without getting punched in the mouth.”

    What’s got Hatch’s knickers in a twist? A serious primary challenge steeped in Tea Party candidates:

  282. Phil says:

    MD, nice list, but you could have stopped after name #1.

    It’s all we’ll need.

  283. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:

    Hatch is there to stay, his biggest threat backed down and endorsed him

  284. Tony says:

    That’s what I like about hedgehog. I could easily go to other websites and everybody will agree with me. I would rather battle it out.

    Btw I get my news from the internet and I occasionally listen to Limbaugh. How about you? Msnbc?

  285. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:

    Ayotte is my next wife

  286. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:

    MSNBC? I wont even answer that question seriously

  287. AuthorLMendez, Liberterian For Romney says:

    btw what internet sites?

  288. jason says:

    ” MD…Be very careful about calling on God for a wicked purpose.”

    Well MD, you deserved that for saying ssq had “improved”.

    A leopard does not change its spots, especially one that is a sanctimonious moron.

  289. jason says:

    Santorum is not going to be VP. Romney would not be that stupid. Santorum brings ZERO to the table, and would make the whole campaign about him. We need the campaign to be about Obama.

  290. jason says:

    ” Paul swept Oklahoma 3rd and 5th districts 100% of delegates today as well. 4th district is next weekend.”

    Is that so?

    Well here in Southwest PA it is drizzly. Several bears crapped in the woods. A raccoon and a skunk didn’t make it across Route 15. The local bank parking lot had a car wash.

  291. SusyQue says:

    Tim V. go here to see a story about one of your favorite candidates. I can’t quite figure out
    the story.

  292. Tony says:

    Author, you asked this:

    Tony do you get all your news from Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin?

    And I retored with this:

    How about you? Msnbc?

    Now, I didn’t take any offense when you brought up Limbaugh, even though you used his name in a derogotaroy manner. I just figured you were having fun. So was I.

  293. Tony says:

    Jason, if by some strange reason Santorum is the vp, will you campaign even harder for Romney?

    If what I’m reading in some of the comments is true, it looks like you’re going to have to.

  294. jason says:

    ” But please don’t post bs like Santorum caused the gender gap. ”

    Sure he helped the Democrats and the MSM (am I repeating myself) start the War on Women meme because of his asinine statements on contraception, which 90% of women use.

    Santorum’s archaic and bizarre social positions has helped the MSM paint the Republicans as extremists.

    No BS at all. Fact.

  295. MFG says:

    Tony, I love you bro, but trust me, Santorum is not going to be the vice presidential pick

  296. Tony says:

    Jason & MFG you guys could be right about RS. I’m going to support whoever the potus and vpotus candidates are.

    I’m just hoping they pick a strong conservative, conservatives who are not afraid of fighting back.

    I’m tired of squishy wimpy moderates watering down the party.

  297. MD says:

    Tony – you are just thrilled with losing in blow outs. Thankfully, there are enough of us with brains that function to ensure that Santorum will never sniff this campaign again. As always, the islanders were wrong. Not only that but you people exposed yourselves as liberals. Ignoring 20 different ways that Newt was liberal. It was hysterical.

    You are either liberals or retards? Which one are you?

  298. jason says:

    I would continue to support Romney if he picked Santorum, but that would be a losing ticket. Fortunately, it’s not going to happen.

  299. MD says:

    312 – that is your problem. You didn’t consider Newt and Santorum to be one of those.

    Guess what? They are.

  300. MD says:

    jason – Romney wouldn’t even sniff 200 EV’s with Pope. Even without him and with a good Veep, I still think it will be very tough. Of course, if he loses the islanders will be convinced that Pope Ricky would have done much better.

    How can I possibly take them seriously? Go read JudyThighs diatribes. They are (unintentionally) some of the funniest stuff I have ever read. I would call her a moron but then I would have to apologize to all morons for comparing them to her.

  301. Bitterlaw says:

    I just bought a new Blackberry. Yeah – I’m a nerd. I use it alot for work and it is great with e-mail and everybody tells me IPhones suck for e-mail. The problem is that when I sign in to HHR on the phone, the comments don’t fit and I have to scroll. Is there an auto-size function? It worked fine on my old blackberry.

  302. jason says:

    Not only Newt. The so called “real conservatives” ignored the fact Santorum was “taking it for the team” as he voted for pork and big government for years and years and was in bed with the unions. Santorum as a fiscal conservative is a joke.

  303. Bitterlaw says:

    My favortite attack of the Misfits was when they bought the vulture capitalism argument against ROmney and claimed to understan the entire point of Atlas Shrugged while taking a completely opposite view of Romney.

  304. MD says:

    But I think he is OK because as Justdrunkalldayandnight would say “he belongs to the one true church”. Not that she is a bigot or anything. If EPH had half a brain he would realize she considers him to be basically a pet. He sure isn’t a member of her one true church.

  305. MFG says:

    In truth Santorum is a pro life BlueFraud Democrat

  306. MD says:

    They were vehemently anti-capitalist. They really are a collection of the dumbest people on the internet. That is saying something. JudyThighs takes the cake though. Clearly she is ashamed of herself for having lesbian tendencies. A case of denial.

  307. jason says:

    ” I’m tired of squishy wimpy moderates watering down the party.”

    And I am tired of so called conservatives ignoring the fact that while they whine about who is a conservative and who isn’t Obama is rapidly leading us down an irreversible path to socialism.

  308. MD says:


    jason – they can’t even get the basic question of who is conservative right? That is because they are monumentally stupid. We went over there and had them tied up like pretzels within a half an hour. It wasn’t even challenging. The men are actually worse than the women. The women will battle a little bit at least even though they are dopes.

  309. SoHope says:

    Has santorum ever voted against a spending bill pushed by the gop?

  310. SoHope says:

    Santorum is prolife and was a vote for tax cuts…that is about all I will give him.

  311. MD says:

    I voted for the guy three times SoHope. The last time when I knew he was going down hard. He is actually a pretty nice guy. He just doesn’t have a filter and thinks most women get what he is saying. In 06, he should have learned that wasn’t the case. He didn’t learn.

  312. MD says:

    I still think there is absolutely nothing wrong with being pro-life. It is a matter of ethics for me. No one should be ashamed of that. However, when he veered into contraception and pre-natal care, well, if was classic Rick Santorum.

  313. SoHope says:

    I will take your word for it MD. Squish, rino, moderate…I dont care. I just want to win. SCOTUS is too big a deal.

  314. MFG says:

    MD you’re in sales, you can relate to this

    I had a friend like Santorum in sales years ago, he would argue with clients, utterly tone deaf to their real wishes or needs, who spent his time trying to inflict his views on the prospect

    Santorum is like this

    Completely tone deaf

    Oblivious to how people really feel

    But by God! he is going to win that argument!

  315. jason says:

    ” I want Paul to win at least 5 states’

    Ron Paul’s campaign was a flop of humongous proportions.

    Not only did he fail to win ANY primaries or caucuses, he has 67 delegates out of over 1000 selected, or about 6%.

    He has about 10% of the popular vote.

    In other words, Ron Paul spent the millions Bunu’s and other Paulbots contributed for absolutely nothing.

  316. MFG says:

    None of that is conservative anyway

    Telling someone how they can plow their own wife, wtf is that?

    The evils of birth control?

    If you hate abortion you should love birth control because people are not going to stop screw*ng thats for sure…

  317. MFG says:

    I’ll bet the vast majority of PAuls supporters arent even registered to vote

  318. MD says:

    Romney is none of those things SoHope. He is solid but not an awesome candidate. Against his competition he was clearly our best option though.

    If Obama wins re-election (and I think he is a favorite to do so), then we have to hope the 5 justices can hold out for another 4. If the worse case occurred, I would force Obama to do a recess appointment.

    Wow – just saw a fantastic ad by Romney. Helped save his partner’s daughters life when she went missing in NYC.

  319. MD says:


    I had a boss like that several years ago MFG. Her favorite saying was “just tell them that..”. Like you should tell an institutional client anything. I tried to explain to her that the key was to build rapport and a relationship. You don’t always have to discuss business. People find a way to do business with people they like and have a couple of drinks with once in a while. She never go that. Eventually, they moved her to another part of the business.

  320. MD says:

    Anyway, Pope Rick is that type. Just tell them.

    Frankly, Romney’s stump speech is fantastic now. I still think he has less than a 50% chance of winning but who knows? Hopefully, my instincts are way off. Pitch thinks there is a good chance Romney could win by more than 8.

  321. Bitterlaw says:

    Good thing that Santorum didn’t have Paul’s money or army of dopes. He might dragged the primaries out.

  322. SoHope says:

    I my opinion romney is a 7 on the conserative scale…this the the reborn romney based on how I think he would govern with a slight gop congress.

    gwb was a 7

    Mccain a 6

  323. MD says:

    Hope – who would be a 10? Demint and Sessions maybe? Even Demint isn’t pure because he was a strong advocate of the mandate. Yea, video don’t lie.

  324. jason says:

    I think Romney is more conservative than either GWB or McCain.

  325. SoHope says:

    Not sure a 10 can hold elected office 🙂

  326. janz says:


    I think Romney has grown exponentially as well as experientially. The speech at the NRO, the other day, was quite strong, and even reminded me of Reagan, in his delivery. He and his team were also swift and aggressive in handling the Rosen comments.

    If he continues on the offensive against Obama, differentiating his policies of pro-growth and jobs from his opponent’s divisive leadership, explaining the buffoonery of symbolic economic fixes like the Buffett rule versus ones that have substance, I think he will begin to appear more presidential and competent than Obama who is stalling out on Romney’s wealth, taxing the rich and class warfare ploys.

  327. Bitterlaw says:

    Law is a little different than sales. I always tell clients the good and the bad. Sometimes they ask me why other lawyers have not told them the real risk of losing. I always say that they don’t want you to think you can lose. I tell them if I don’t tell them the risks that I am stealing their money.

  328. janz says:

    NRA = NRO

  329. MD says:

    Janz – the criticism was that he wouldn’t fight hard enough. Now, it is that he was mean and raised too much money. Bizarre.

    He is hitting the mark. However, it isn’t going to be easy. The msm and the Chicago thugs are going to go to extraordinary lengths to change the message and try to paint Romney as an out of touch rich guy. I have already heard libs at my workplace repeat those talking points. It is going to get very, very ugly.

  330. SoHope says:

    in 3 days only 2 obama bumper stickers in dc/nova and one of the was a faded 2008 one.

  331. SoHope says:

    Romney has the edge in fiscal con and
    Gwb with social con

  332. Phil says:

    It will indeed get ugly.

    Obama won by 7 points in 2008

    He did that with an electorate that was D+7.

    I look for it to only be D+2 or 3 this year.

    Obama won indies by 9. That won’t happen this time. Right now we are even with indies.

    All of that adds up to a very narrow reelection for Obama.

    However, it is early and we’re close. Pick Ayotte as VP and we pull even.

  333. jason says:

    Wobbie Troll disappeared.

    I guess his mission was over when Romney locked up the nomination.

  334. SoHope says:

    Two new englanders…wont happen

  335. SoHope says:

    Rubio with McDonnel being a distant second.

  336. Waingro says:

    SNL is beyond awful.

  337. Phil says:

    Doesn’t matter about regional balance. A VP hasn’t even pulled in his own state since LBJ in 60. People don’t vote for or against a presidential candidate anymore because he or she is from or not from the same region as the nominee.

    Ayotte carries NH and helps us with suburban women.

    Pick her.

  338. Phil says:

    Another reason to pick Kelly Ayotte – Dems will try and Palinize her, and it will low up in their faces.

  339. Diogenes says:

    Romney’s campaign is smart. Now that it has the media cycle to itself it is beginning to drive a narrative. It is solidifying Romney’s lead on economic issues but also evolving it’s message to talk more about economic freedom which is not quite so dependent on the economy being in the tank. It is also striving hard to narrow Republican weaknesses across the issue spectrum.

    During the Bush re-election of 2004, he only led on the issue of dealing with terrorism/national defense. Everywhere else Kerry led. However, circumstances but that issue scope on the mind of the American voter on election day (while Bush held down the advantages of the dems on other issues) which led to his victory.

    Romney only leads on economic matters at the moment, but he knows the issues on the mind of voters can switch as the economy gets better. If you watch his NRA speech and other speeches carefully, he is crafting a narrative about freedom and optimism that sharply contrasts with Obama’s tone-deaf and irrelevant message about economic “fairness.” Obama has no narrative this election, he can and will be defeated.

  340. MD says:

    If I could only lead in one thing I would want it to be the economy.

  341. Phil says:

    The other knock on Aytte is she only has a couple of years experience in the senate. Guess what? She has the same exact experience as Rubio. Also the same two years experience that Obama had in the senate and he was running for the top spot.

  342. MD says:

    Phil – she is an interesting pick. I now have her in my top 5 pretty thanks to you.

    I just wonder if they will go to a woman again so soon.

  343. Phil says:

    Ayotte makes sense on so many levels. I know it seems I have a hard on for her. Actually my erection is for Kristi Noem, but she is indeed too inexperiencerd. Her time will come down the road, however.

  344. MD says:

    OK, we are now going down a “late night” type of road. Bed time or Cinemax?

    Just kidding. My wife is actually still up with my youngest. That pretty much rules out Skinimax. I am going classy by watching Cheaters.

  345. Phil says:

    MD, she’s so superior to Sarah Palin, and I think it’s the Palin disaster that scares Republicans about picking a woman. Ayotte is a much different animal. I’m telling you that if Dems try and Palinize her they are walking right into a trap and will do nothing but piss off a lot of independent women. That’s a good thing for us.

  346. MD says:

    Looks like Robin Gibb is about to check out. Down to one Gibb soon – Barry.

    Phil – I suspect you were a disco king in the 70’s.

  347. MD says:

    OK – I am going to have to go to bed soon. Good night guys.

  348. MD says:

    But I have to wait for the Cheaters archive segment first.

  349. Phil says:

    Naw, I can’t dance a lick – I’m one of the few down here that can’t even Texas two step.

  350. new says:

    Ayotte was not in the Senate at the time of the vote for the Lilly Ledbetter pay-equity act…

    I don’t particularly think this is good policy but it’s good optics for the Obama campaign in the fall.

  351. MD says:

    David Wissing,

    Might we get a new thread sir? Even if it is titled open thread, that would suffice.

    Thank you and have a great day.

  352. Scott says:

    I do not know about Phil,but I was!
    So what happens in the equities’ markets this week?
    Bummed that the NY Rangers were defeated last night!

  353. MD says:

    Scott – earnings season is just beginning now. I think expectations are pretty low now. That is usually a sign that we will see an upwards market since it is easy to beat lowered expectations. I suspect we are going to stay in a new “pain trade” band for several months. I still think we go a shade lower than 12,200 on the Dow eventually.

    However, because PE’s are so compressed and below historical norms, I can’t see it going below that unless calamity occurs. I am thinking a war between Iran and Israel or something like that. I expect a big surge upwards several months from now (given no calamity) that will bring us over 14,000, maybe close to 15,000. So a year from now, we could be at record highs on the Dow with a bumpy road to get there. Or not.

  354. Tim V says:

    MD forcasts Dow 15,000- 12,200, next 12 months.

  355. Scott says:

    Your analysis makes sense except for some very strong headwinds from a 8%+ unemployment rate,the EuroZone,slow GDP growth,a continuous housing recession and hyper-inflation around the corner.
    I ascribe that in “normal” times this market would be perceived to be greatly overvalued with its primary underpinning being a ridiculously accommodating Fed Reserve Board.Without the Fed providing or promising to continue to provide “monetary cocaine” to the economy,the S&P would be in the 800 range!

  356. Tim V says:

    seigel calls for dow 17,000

  357. RickPerrysParakeet says:

    Problem Scott is there is no alternative what can people put money into?

    Bank accts under one percent ten year treasuries at two percent?

  358. MD says:

    Scott – part of the reason why I think it will eventually surge (not yet – several months from now) is that the fed has gamed it so equities are the only play.

    We have some potentially severe problems coming though. If Obama is re-elected, all bets are off and 3 years from now we could be much, much lower than today.

    I am also wary of Spain. It is Greece x 1000. There simply isn’t enough money to bail them out. Germany won’t continue to do it because politically they cannot. The Pirate party will take complete control if Merkel agrees to that and she isn’t going to allow that to happen. Austerity is actually making Spain’s problem worse but allowing them to go on the way they were is not an answer either. The only option may be for them to default and leaving the Eurozone.

    By the way, Greece is still a problem but it will now seem small compared to Spain.

  359. MD says:

    I think we already have runaway inflation but the way the CPI is calculated has disguised it. 2/3rds of the calc should be food and energy.

  360. Scott says:

    #374-RickPerry etc.
    Very true,but that is part of the inflated equities’ markets now.King Ben has crushed the fixed income markets and wants investors to use equities like we use to use bank savings accounts.Even so,money has gushed from equities-oriented mutual funds over the past few months.

  361. Scott says:

    Good point about a huge tax hike come January,2013 if the payroll tax cut holiday and the Bush tax cuts expire.Starting in Sept., the markets will act hysterically if it feels those about-to-expire tax cuts are not addressed.

  362. RickPerrysParakeet says:

    I doubt the easy money stops my best guess is we move up with fits and starts

  363. MD says:

    Scott – a ton of money has moved into passive ETFs so far this year. In the aggregate it is not moving out of equities. Many are just re-positioning to passive investments because there is almost no difference in valuations anywhere.

  364. MD says:

    I also think Bernacke has no great options. If Obama would just get out of the way of business and extend current rates for 5 years then he could tighten up the reigns. As it stands, he probably has no better option.

  365. Bitterlaw says:

    I have made a decision. I will keep the new Blackberry and confiscate my son’s IPhone if I ant to play games. I have spoken.

  366. Bitterlaw says:

    One tech post is a thread killer? Wes used to post for hours about Nook vs. Kindle and you people loved it. he read 50,000 books. I wih he would return.

  367. test says:


    TEST 51.3% 43.6% 5.1%
    RASM 47.7% 45.5% 6.8%
    RASM 46.8% 46.4% 6.9%
    TEST 50.0% 47.0% 3.0%

    AVE. 49.1% 45.0% 5.9%