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Obama Leads Romney By 8% in MIInteresting numbers from Scott Rasmussen in Michigan. While other polling organizations were showing a tightening race in Michigan (one even giving Romney a lead), Rasmussen is out with a poll showing Obama leading Romney by 8%. PRESIDENT – MICHIGAN (Rasmussen) This poll was don June 14th among 500 likely voters.
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will amnesty help obama in states like arizonia, colorado or nevada?
Interesting numbers I would have thought Rassmussen would have showed a tied race here.
jenny, I think it will even out
Once again Mitt Romney has proven to be a good candidate. Staying completely on message about the economy.
Lets make this very clear. Obama’s political distraction changes nothing in policy. Already deportations of non criminal illegals were stopped, according to the actions of the Department of Homeland Security. This is strictly a political action by a desperate campaign.
Bitterlaw says:
June 15, 2012 at 11:38 am
Tim V. – My son starts college in 4 years. My Dad better pick up the pace on the beer and cancer-sticks. We need to pay tuition.
Bitter, Tell your son that he is going to have to help pay for college. Have him start working over the summers and have him give you 1/2 of his earnings for you to put in a 537 college plan for him. Let him start at a community college and have him get a part time job. Teach him early the value of hard work, savings, thrift and frugality. It will make him a better man.
If he wants to major in Philosophy, Art, or Psychology or something like that, tell him he is on his own.
This is the image that symbolizes the vision Obama and democrats have for America:
http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2012/06/08/20120608_192331.htm
“I told everyone that Obama would basically offer this by decree many months ago and I was laughed at by people on the board.
I am sure that apologies are forthcoming.”
addisonst predicted amnesty years ago
HotAir.com pretty much nails it:
So, the “framing” economic speech yesterday was a bust — yeah, they’re going to need us to move away from that ol’ chestnut pretty quickly — so here comes the next big talking point in the Obama-campaign wheelhouse.
I hate addison because everyone else does
Wait, no I dont!
Why does everyone hate Addison? I think I missed out on that
“Obama wants to add 800,000 people to the unemployment/food stamp rolls.
Open your wallets.”
ILLEGALS don’t count as unemployed
Tim V. – Good ideas but I was hoping to blow huge money so he can be the third generation to go to Lafayette College. Why? Because I’m shallow and loved it there. The problem with Community College is that he will still be in my house. He is always welcome to return on holidays and week-ends. I won’t have a truly empty nest until 2025 when my daughter should be graduating from college.
Also the work permit stuff is laughable. Permit for what work? Especially for under-educated illegals.
More workers without more jobs = higher unemployment rate. BO is an idiot.
I don’t hate Add. He is a visionary. He was the only person on Earth to predict that the Packers would win the Super Bowl after the 2010 season. Well, him and the ESPN and Sports Illustrated experts I posted yesterday.
A one day poll?
I agree w Jan. Romney needs to stay focused. WI proves we outnumber the takers.
Obama may have just lost the midwest. He is making a play for FL, CO, and NV. He’s gambling that IA, MI, WI, and OH will lie down on this. His poll numbers must be that bad and he may be pre-
Don’t put it past him to simply say he would ignore a SCOTUS ruling. Evidence? He has already directed Justice to ignore laws he doesn’t like. Also, there was a reason why he mentioned the fact that SCOTUS is unelected. It builds the case to ignore them.
This may shift my thinking on Veep a bit. I had Portman as 1 and Rubio as 2. May have to shift that.
pre-empting/softening the blow he issss going to get from the Supreme Court on Obamacare.
very good point MD. Rubio may become the #1 for VP now.
This analysis is wrong. This political distraction does not change the dynamics of this election for Romney. He is focus on the economy and will continue to do so. Nothing has changed here, the same policy that was carried out yesterday is the same has it was today.
I do think on the congressional level Republicans have a powerful talking point in states like Indiana, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, North Dakota, Wisconsin etec.
Watch for the reaction of Democrats from states with no large Latino population, it could backfire on Obama.
Romney up again in Gallup 46/45
I am starting to like Kelly Ayotte more and more for VP. I would rank her just behind Rubio. I would love to ser debate Biden. She has already argued in front of the U.S. Supreme Court. I think she can dispatch Biden pretty quickly. She also counters some of the War on Women b.s. and can help in PA since she is a Penn State grad.
This clumsy attempt to rally the “base” (both the legal and illegal base) was surely moved from the original early October announcement to June in order to change the emerging narrative that Obama is Bush I and this is 1992 all over again.
There is only one problem with this calculation by Team Obama: the undecideds voters are overwhelmingly white, middle and working class.
How is this blatantly obvious de facto amnesty attempt going to play with these voters in Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Virginia, and Pennsylvania?
addisonst predicted you would like Kelly Ayotte
Jenny McCarthy accidentally sent nude photo to dentist
Jenny McCarthy (Evan Agostini/AP)
Model/actress Jenny McCarthy was left mortified recently after accidentally sending a nude photo of herself to her son’s dentist.
McCain: Adelson funding Romney Super PAC with ‘foreign money’
Is this guy allergic to winning???
lisab – can u give her my email address please?
I really, truly cannot stand John McCain. Even after the media trashed him in 08, he still wants to be their best friend.
lisab – it happens. MD’s dentist just laughed when he got MD’s photo. He thought it was funny.
I believe Obama’s move to stop deporting illegals is unconstitutional and the House needs to hold him accountalbe for it.
Here’s a snapshot from the April data:
States
2 states are in a steady expansion: Alaska, North Dakota.
5 are at risk, meaning they’re still in positive territory but slipping toward recession: Illinois, Maine, Mississippi, Rhode Island, Wisconsin.
The remaining 44 (including D.C.) are in recovery, meaning they’re still weak but rising toward expansion. The states improving into this category in April were Alabama, Connecticut, Missouri, Oregon and South Carolina, according to Moody’s.
0 are in a moderating recession, meaning their economies are not contracting as severely as six months earlier.
0 are in an unrelenting recession. It’s been that way since January. The last state out was Georgia.
Agree 100% Pitch. Watch what Obama does next.
#23-DW
Also in today’s Gallup, Omama’s approval/disapproval ratings are 44%/49%,respectively.
The only real beef I have with Obama’s executive order is that he went around Congress. Immigration isn’t a huge issue for me…I know it is for some here.
I hear that the E.O. is similar to Rubio’s proposal. If Obama wanted to solve a problem why didnt he instruct dems in the senate to work with Rubio?
This is purely about buying votes for November.
Hope – he went around congress is my exact point! I guess next he will just ignore a scotus ruling and we can all yawn.
Actual tweet by PPP:
“Going to have some very important Friday afternoon polling data in a little bit- what % of NV voters would trust John Ensign with their pets”
WOW
I think this will hurt Obama in IA and WI
While Polaris may have been terrible with polling, he predicted backin 2009 tht Obama would not care about little matters like separation of powers. He also predicted that Obamacare would be passed one way or the other and it certainly was by reconciliation. The man was dead on in his assessment of Obama.
what a hacktastic tweet!
Obama’s move is because he is hurting in CO,NV and NM and if he loses them he has no hope whatsoever. He is hoping this will give him an outside chance of FL, which I dont believe it will.
Ï don’t hate Add. He is a visionary.”
Yeah, he saw the success of Obamanomics before anybody else here did.
man was dead on in his assessment of Obama.
Comment by pitchaboy
Polaris was also an elitist, primadonna who felt that he was entitled to be worshipped as a god because he made one correct election prediction in Georgia. His “don’t denigrate me” post was all I needed to understand him. HHR is a brutal place. Stay or go but if you stay – be ready to defend what you say. If you are wrong, admit it (unless you are lisab because we gave up on trying to enforce it with her years ago.)
Job programs for illegals….wonder how unemployed “legals” feel about that? I don’t think this will help him overall. He might had done it also to offset Rubio as VP.
Damn illegals took the jobs we were too good to take. Hey – what’s on Sports Center?
Report is Cuomo is pursuing opening up fracking in my county. Libtards who don’t live here are incensed. http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-06-13/idea-of-limited-ny-fracking-divides-energy-camps
Front page Yahoo online poll has 75% against Obama’s amnesty plan.
Cuomo clearly wants the 2016 Dem Nomination. If Hilary ended up as the nominee for Pres. that would keep Cuomo off the ticket (can’t have 2 from the same state). I don’t think HC would ever accept the VP slot unless she really wanted to coast into retirement and hope for some bad news.
Polaris was an interesting fellow and he gave substantive reasons for his choices. 2008 had a lot going on and no one realized the reality of the massive crowds that gathered for ooo. They were all duped. Hannity was out there telling people about his radical background, but people were tired of Bush and wanted someone different. They sure got it. The press also added to the confusion because they went 99% for ooo. He was not vetted! I imagine the pollsters were dazed with the fact that ooo was not vetted. Since it was such an unusual election, Polaris should be give some slack. We all mistakes. His are forgivable.
I have felt Rubio is the best candidate to fill the VP puzzle piece, for some time now. This latest Presidential order only adds more reasons for that choice, as Rubio has his own remedies for young illegal adults, which, BTW, are really not that far out of line.
Demographically, we are heading in the direction of a more diverse national population. There will have to be some allowances made, to soften the blow of immigrating to this country, for those who are deemed to deserve it — non free-loading, young, productive, long term members of this country. The ‘deport them all’ meme does not serve to grow or sustain a political party, at this juncture in time.
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Shrinking the gender gap, brought to you by Scott Brown. I think it is a well done ad!
Libtard Obama sees his approval rating dip to 44% for the first time in a few months I believe in Gallup.
“Polaris was an interesting fellow” – SusyQue
There is no way on this planet that SusyQue is who she claims to be. What woman says, “interesting fellow?”
This is what you get when government is burdened with deficits because it has taken over too much of the people’s business.
My fingers are so tightly crossed that the supreme court throws out the HC Act, that they hurt!
SusyQue, Bitter loves you. His comments are nothing more than ‘blog hugs!’
Obama Approval Averaged 47% in May
http://www.gallup.com/poll/155042/Obama-Averages-Job-Approval-May.aspx
54 – don’t be certain he won’t decide the “ignore” the ruling. Can’t happen? Yea, people told me that about DREAM via EO as well.
Polaris was right in his concerns regarding Obama. He was wildly wrong in 08 on party ID and then took to blaming the voters. That was Jake like. Then, he couldn’t take the heat. We all take heat here. If you can’t take it go to romperroom.com. They play nice in the sand box over there.
MD – are you saying we can take down romperroom.com?
Lmao did anyone just watch the Rose Garden press conference?
I don’t have an issue with a guy interrupting this a-hole, but once you do it don’t be surprised if you’re not invited back
I doubt he’d ignore a scotus decision but I suppose its possible
More likely he’d start a war in October
Polaris was also “wrong” about obama being like kenya’s Odinga and not allowing any future elections and the like. Obama doesn’t have and never had that much power. 2008 election was his high water mark. The guy is on his way out. The people have had enough.
I liked polaris very pompous but interesting
If he could suspend elections he would
He is another chavez or worse
What I can’t understand is how/why the “good people” of michigan continue to let the democrats run the show in national elections. Sheesh–at least give the gop a chance every now and again. Their state is in ruins.
He does not have the power to do that—-he is not THAT well loved or feared. Military would not stand for him suspending elections. And an october war changes nothing.
I am an idiot.
I know not what I say.
Obama’s fit not good for him, he could have just ignored the guy; bad move if you ask me
Janz I need a ruling from you
If hellcare is overturned doesn’t that mean it was never legally in force?
And doesn’t that then mean when I wrote all those pieces on bjg that it would never pass that I was actually correct?
Ie it was never legal therefore it never really passed?
“He does not have the power to do that”
he is guarded by marines
if he declared himself president for life he would be president for less than an hour
Polaris is as much a pompous ass as I am dumb.
That’s a lot of pompous ass.
that is IF the secret service tried to help him
The following is from a subscription service and I can’t link it. This is a START but won’t solve the problem. They need to cut benefits now.
Pa. Legislation to Retire DB Plans Gains Steam
0 Comments Post Comment June 15, 2012
Republican lawmakers in Pennsylvania introduced legislation in the state House of Representatives this week that would end defined benefit pension plans for new state and school employees. So reports the Pennsylvania Independent.
Pennsylvania’s State Employees Retirement System and its Public School Employees Retirement System are almost $40 billion unfunded. Adding new people to an already stressed system “only makes the problem worse,” says Rep. Warren Kampf, the sponsor of Tuesday’s bill.
If adopted, the measure would place all new state hires in a defined contribution pension plan similar to private sector 401(k) plans in which their employer would contribute 4% of the worker’s salary.
The new measure allows existing employees to retain their defined benefit plans, but those opting to switch to the defined contribution system would be rewarded with a 7% employer contribution, the Independent reports.
The legislation corrects the “historic mishandling of pension obligations for future employees,” while also giving “control of retirement funds to enrollees,” Kampf said in the statement, the Times Herald of Norristown reports.
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June 4, 2012
Pa. Lawmakers Pitch Pension Merger, DB Closure
The proposed legislation, however, “sounds even worse” than offering all new workers a defined contribution plan, says union CEO David Fillman of the Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Council 13. Removing employees from the current pension system extends the problem by reducing the number of people who contribute toward the unfunded liability, Fillman says.
Kampf disagrees, saying the measure will lead to lower pension costs in the long term, although he also admits that the numbers haven’t been calculated yet, the Independent reports.
Gov. Tom Corbett backs pension reforms. All state and local government budget issues can be traced back to pension problems, he says.
Republicans in Pennsylvania’s state senate have also been working on legislation to move away from the defined benefit retirement plan structure, as reported.
Screw MI they put people like granholm in two terms no less and vote.for obama fuuuck them all they deserve everything they get
58 – No. Leave the fuuuccking kids alone.
Anyone have a video link to the presser?
five things mitt romney is doing correctly, and frustrating the crap out of democrats in the process
1. Full spectrum rapid response. The Romney/RNC team has achieved a situational awareness that stretches from old media to new media and into social media in ways that no previous Republican campaign has achieved.
2. Message discipline. All the rapid response in the world doesn’t do much good if the message is all over the place or if your campaign is easily knocked off key, but so far the RNC and the Romney campaign have ruthlessly stuck to hammering Obama on the economy.
3. Playing effective offense. When David Axelrod staged an event in Boston to try to embarrass Mitt Romney, Romney one-upped Axelrod by staging an event at Solyndra in California on the same day. But that wasn’t the end of the story. The Romney camp kept the details of their event so close to the vest that it caught the media unawares, creating surprise that led to strong positive coverage.
4. Fundraising. The Obama campaign bragged that it would be the first billion dollar campaign, but the Romney/RNC campaign is now outraising them significantly.
5. Looking like winners. It has been less than a month since Mitt Romney officially clinched the GOP nomination by winning the Texas primary on May 29. But in the weeks since then, Obama has not had one single good day. From awful jobs numbers to the “private sector is doing fine” to the debacle in Wisconsin and the raw exposed divisions within the Democratic Party over his tactics and rhetoric, Obama has been suffering a flurry of terrors.
Lisab – they have been doing a good job. At this point in the general in 08, I thought McCain was doing a decent job as well so I am going to reserve judgement until October.
I didn’t like McCain back then either but closed ranks after it was obvious he would be the candidate.
JHCOAMFC…Your posts are littered with the “F”
word. It diminishes the authenticity of your message. Whom are you supporting in November?
JHCOAMFC
If hellcare is overturned doesn’t that mean it was never legally in force?
And doesn’t that then mean when I wrote all those pieces on bjg that it would never pass that I was actually correct?
Ie it was never legal therefore it never really passed?
If HC is overturned than it was never in force, ‘legally.’ But, nevertheless, it passed.
I don’t know who you are, so I can’t comment on the so-called pieces you wrote at bjg.
Janz – it is MFG
Hey janz forgot to change my.name back!
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/reporter-heckles-obama-white-house-immigration-announcement_647290.html
when reports turn on a liberal you know something is seriously wrong.
addisonst predicted you would forget to change your name back
#71…Chicken! you can’t use your own moniker to post. Shame on you!
Bitter…you are an “interesting fellow!” You are also “pill” when you want to be. But then…we are all “pills” once in awhile.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-says-great-cities-are-china-not-america_647287.html
wow, biden is an idiot
here is the video on the heckling:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/06/15/reporter_shouts_at_obama_during_immigration_speech.html
some of the posters here are pills some are suppositories.
83…oh, now I see it was there too.
I am not a pill
I am intraveinous
Biden’s speaking the truth. All the growth and hope and forward progress is in China, not here, thanks in part to Biden and Obama’s business unfriendly policies and total non-concern over the national debt. Don’t shoot the messenger.
#89…LOL…you at toooo much!
#55…janz..I’ll try to remember that when He gets the urge to attack my integrity. (wink)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/06/15/msnbc_guest_would_a_white_president_get_heckled.html
A white prez gets shoes thown at him.
#95…this president doesn’t care about anyone but himself and his leftist buddies. He is outrageous
in using exec. order to make changes that should be
discussed with the congress. He has no respect for our Constitution. I wish HE could be deported!
89……did you just call me a butt-plug???
“lisab – it happens. MD’s dentist just laughed when he got MD’s photo. He thought it was funny.”
sorry, MD, I never did apologize for that… I meant to send him a picture of my mouth to see if I could be fitted for dentures.
IC
C
Good afternoon, HHR.
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui
GF…you are welcome.
That reporter was from the Daily Caller, wasn’t he?
So, PPP(D) is conerned with whether Nevadans trust Ensign with their pets. Perhaps the better question would be if Navadan husbands trust Ensign with their wives.
Alternatively, in a show of bipartisanship, they could ask if Nevadans trust Harry reid with their papers (given his propensity to misplace them), but apparently, 50% decided that they do.
102- Indeed, thank you for the set-up.
The Dow is close to our stop loss cover number of 12820. let’s increase it just a tad to 12850. The fast stochastic indicates a topping point and the 90 day moving average will likely pose as a resistance area.
you can use the chart that tim v posted in 101 to see where we are. if you change the lower indicator from macd to fast stochastics, you will see what I mean.
PPP(D)
Nevada – Should Cowboy Poets be satisified with the level of funding provided by Harry Reid?
Yes, Cowboy Poets are getting enough taxpayer funding – 42%
No, Cowboy Poets should get more funding – 57%
Unsure – 1%
Do you support President Obama’s illegal immigrant amnesty program?
yes: 2%
no: 98%
Howie Carr show massachusetts’ #1 radio show
Gallup Party ID (adults)
Dem 30
Rep 30
Ind 39
With Leaners
Dem 44
Rep 42
I have been a lurker for quite a long time. My main original motivation
to frequent this blog was related to polls, and I appreciate all the good
stuff I have learned here about them.
Now, it is time for me to give something back by providing some useful
contribution to this blog. I am not a savvy political expert, neither
a professional statistician; however, in my work I have to deal with
a lot of data so that I became acquainted with some statistical data treatment.
What I will propose is a methodology to treat polls data based on sensible,
and scientifically sound (science is what I do for living) assumptions with
the intent of providing more reliable results.
I named the methodology AWESOME, an acronym that stands for:
Averaged, Weighted, and Enhanced Statistically for Obviating to Model Errors.
How awesome is this methodology we will see after the elections.
In the last few months I have spent quite a bit of my free time in collecting
election and poll data and in programming the code for the data treatment.
I hope that there will be some interest in what I will provide you, as this
methodology allows to generate more credible (hopefully) poll results,
if some cross tables are available.
I will explain the basis of the methodology in the next posts, but before I
need to make a few apologies. First, I apologize for my pedantic style.
Then, I have to apologize also for my poor English (you have already noticed
at this point), but English is only my fourth language in terms of fluency.
Finally, it was my intention to show the results in a very nice way using
tables with frames, colors, and all the whistles and bells; however,
WORDPRESS ignores all the corresponding html tags in the comment box.
In the end, the presentation of the results will be not as polished as I
would have liked.
Happy birthday to Bob McDonnell!
This post will be a little bit difficult to digest, but I think it is necessary
in order to better understand the foundation of the AWESOME methodology.
When treating data there are two main categories of errors:
Aleatory Errors:
These errors are intrinsic and are associated to random phenomena.
For instance, when making a measure repetitively you will get a dispersion
of results with a certain standard deviation.
In the case of polls this uncertainty comes from the sampling they are using.
The Margin of Error (MoE) is often two times σ (standard deviation) as
they announce a 95% degree of confidence.
A way to reduce the final uncertainty is to combine/average independent set
of results. In principle, if the results are independent, the MoE should be
reduced by a factor of √n where n is the number of results we are averaging.
Again, coming back to the example of the polls this is the reason why
RealClearPolitics average gives quite reasonable results; however,
we will see later that the way they are averaging is incorrect.
Epistemic Errors:
These are errors related to lack of knowledge, and they are in principle reducible.
One way to reduce the associated uncertainty is to apply some sort of model. For instance,
Rasmussen applies a party weighting to reduce the error.
However, models have errors too. One method for reducing model errors is by data
assimilation (called also adjustment, tuning, calibration, etc.). This is feasible
when useful and relevant experimental information is available. A classical example
of this (Bayesian approach) is the Kalman filter used by NASA for the trajectory
of their spacecrafts. In our case the experimental information is given by election
results, in particular the exit polls for party identification.
Now, given this information, I will outline the AWESOME methodology in the next post.
#111, welcome.
Awesome, are you an android?
you are right lisab, team romney is running a smart campaign.
In the following I provide the outline of the AWESOME methodology, but I will spare you
the fine details. First we Average, but the average has to be Weighted.
Would you equally average a poll with a 50% of MoE with another with a 1% of MoE?
Of course not. AWESOME uses the correct statistical weights, which takes into account
the MoE, in averaging.
Another factor to consider is the reliability of the polls. I think everyone agrees
that adult polls are less reliable than likely voters ones. I did not have time or
resources to prove, as common HHR wisdom indicates, that there are definite biases
depending on the kind of polls.What AWESOME does is to apply a penalizing factor to the MoE
of adults and registered voters polls, so that this is also reflected in the weighting.
Another variable to consider in the weighting is time, because polls are just a snapshot
of the moment at which they are taken. Our host, Dave Wissing, takes the last poll to
generate his electoral map. This means that he gives a 100% weighting to that poll.
I think that using an exponential behavior is more appropriate in order to describe
a “decay” of the importance of the poll. We can weight with a factor (I apologize, but I cannot
put the sup script font for the exponent) exp(-λ Δt), where exp is the base of natural
logarithm, λ is the time decay constant, similar to that of a radioactive isotope,
and Δt is the time interval from the current date and the time the poll was taken.
Next step is to Enhance Statistically the results using a model, specifically by
party identification weighting.
Besides party identification one should have used other demographics (e. g. gender,
ideology, age, race, etc.), but that would be too complicated, as would imply to use an
iterative tenique. I think we all agreethat party identification is the most important
weighting factor.
Rasmussen has been quite successful with this model at the national level because he uses a
large data base; however, at the state level he is not so good because he has a significantly
smaller number of samples.
How we can Obviate to Model Errors? The sensible answer is, again,
to statistically average the party identification provided by the different poll organizations.
In this way we effectively enlarge the data base.This has the advantage also to narrow
significantly the dispersion of the results as they are weighted with the same party
identification for all poll organizations.In practice, when a poll comes out, if there
are cross tables, AWESOME will be able to providethe results using the statistically
averaged party identification.
I will provide two sets of combined poll results. The first is the weighted average, which
will take into account also polls that do not provide cross tables. The second set of results will
be the aggregate one using the AWESOME party identification and the statistically averaged
percent distribution coming from the cross tables. In this way the aggregate results take
into account only polls that provide internals.
Finally, there is another way to obviate to model errors. This is done by data assimilation
using election exit polls as “experimental” information in order to correct any bias the
pollsters are introducing in their models; however this method is, in this case, more questionable.
The difficulty resides in the fact that we cannot easily separate the systematic (bias)
component from the aleatory one in the discrepancy we can observe when comparing the predictive
results provided by the pollster and the actual exit polls.
In other words, we compare the party identification provided by the pollster in their final
polls against the party identification of the exit polls and calculate a correction to be
applied for future polls.
Is this correction (bias) systematic? Difficult to say. For instance, if they have changed models
with respect to the past, this correction should not be applied. If this correction has the same
sign and about the same magnitude for all past elections, this is an indication that the correction
is probably systematic. If they have different sign, they tend to cancel out and therefore
are not systematic.
I have used, whenever possible, the results and final polls of the last 4 elections
(2004, 2006, 2008, and 2010) for the limited number of poll organizations that provided
the information about party identification, but I do not think I have enough significant data.
In most cases the bias is related to the number of independents. This is likely due to the fact
that pollsters try to push party identification and exit polls not.
In any case, because of the questionable assumptions of this method, I will keep for me
the results that use the bias correction.
#115 Why?
DRUDGE
“UPDATE: Military mom breastfeeding advocate fired from civilian job…”
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Why would she be breastfeeding an advocate rather than breastfeeding her child?
Here how AWESOME sees the RAS poll for Michigan.
Awesome…what is your first language?
And this the current summary for Michigan.
“…Grow a fuucking pair”
Comment by JHCOAMFC
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Actually, instead of pears, I prefer apples.
Awesome why does FOS have a smaller weight than EPI… it is more recent and with a smaller MoE.
Is it an adult poll?
Good work, Awesome. If Mitt can swing just 5% of GOPers form Obama back into the fold, he will narrow the gap to 49-44. He needs to do that stat so he can concentrate on the Idy gap he faces in MI.
The state is in play. No question about it. Lock down FLOHVA (or exchange VA for CO and IA), then send some spare troops to PA and MI. Make the b@st@rds play defense for once.
AWESOME “came to play!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_qFmGEd_Bo
Great stuff so far.
Paladin/CFP POTUS outlook. States sorted top to bottom and left to right in descending order of GOP strength:
Lock R: (112) OK WY UT ID KY KS AL AR TX AK LA SD MS WV
Safe R: (44) ND NE SC TN GA
Likely R: (35) MT AZ IN MO
Leans R: (44) FL NC
Wobbly R: (47) OH VA IA WI
Romney: 282
Wobbly D: (15) CO NV
Leans D: (47) MI OR PA NH
Likely D: (14) ME MN
Safe D: (93) NM CT CA
Lock D: (87) IL MA DE MD RI NY VT HI DC
Obama: 256
#121
Hello Dolly,
(I am calling you with your original moniker, because it seems nobody seems to realize that), this is my first and final post addressed to you, and I will explain why. You deeply offended my family. A few months ago, you reported about the increase rate of autistic children and commented to look for women consuming drugs in the streets. My son was diagnosed to be in the autistic spectrum when he was three years old. Now he is 11 doing very well in school, even if he still lacks some social skills. I am comforted by the fact that another HHR contributor with the a similar condition, the freemarketeer from your area in San Diego, has been able to overcome the problem and he is quite successful in life. My wife, besides raising two children, has a juris doctor degree (lawyer) from one of the most prestigious University in South America, a master degree in transportation law from a very prestigious University in France, a master degree from NIU (hi Corey!), and considering a PhD. Meanwhile she helps as an interpreter (Spanish, French, Italian) in an hospital people to recovery from strokes through speech and physical therapy. Do you think she is the type that spends her time consuming drugs in the streets? I let you think about. End of conversation.
#124 Mr. Vito,
EPI is likely and FOS registered.
*sniffles* Awesome, that was just awesome. Thanks for the shout out. Asperger’s is not easy to overcome. It takes a LOT of hard work and being totally, consistently conscious of everything and everyone around oneself.
That said, Awesome, reveal yourself at once!
Ah, yes, hello dolly… it was on the tip of my tongue, but I kept thinking holly, polly, molly…
Thanks, awesome.
Awesome – what handle did you post under before?
#128 I remember her posting that… I am certain I commented on it.
(It offended me as well)
GF – you have Asperger’s? Friends of ours have a son who has diagnosed with that. He is light’s out smart in school. Remind you of someone?
He does have trouble socially but seems to be improving lately. He loves my wife more than anyone in the world. His Mother (one of my wife’s best friends) is perplexed by this. When she tries to find out what is wrong with him on a particular day, he usually just says, “I’ll wait for Aunt G___”. Then he tells her. Whatever works.
Man, awesome showed up and nobody invited me
MF’ers!
Here in the following the summary for the national poll. I think at this point is the most reliable one for the large number of polls and consequently a quite reduced MoE. Notice that for RAS I use the weekly data (only available to platinum members) that have an MoE of only 2%.
#133I told you hat I was a lurker.
Wow – Awesome posted something longer than WEC and it wasn’t all cut and paste. I’m impressed.
MD, it’s a tough road to hoe, I can tell you that. From what it appears, I am on the edge of the spectru, so i am fortunate. Being raised abroad in a VERY sheltered and old time atmosphere (parents are pre-WWII generation, and mom’s family was from Europe, so even more old school) did not help, probably exacerbated an existing condition that with a normal environment here at home could have been overcome earlier. Even now, I detest most social situations and sit them out on the sidelines if I have to attend some function. Makes work difficult at best, so I simply excel in mmy profession as much as possible so that people leave me alone.
Off to a meeting; be back in a while.
Roadrunner says:
June 13, 2012 at 12:54 am
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
beep beep!
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But one example of recent poetic postings by persons other than the officially designated HHR Poet Laureate.
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Roadrunner and others must make sure that they have applied for and received licenses to post poetry here.
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We also have some copyright attribution infrigement issues with the one example posted above.
I found Hello Dolly to be exponentially more vile than Susy.
Susy just seems completely clueless, which leads her to occassionally say some vile things.
Are they really the same person??
Who is Awesome?
Rdlbov?
Benny?
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#143 yes
What BHO (OOO) proposes may sound good to some citizens, but what I see is masked reparations. His intention is to hire 30,000 people and give them government jobs while omitting 30,000 contractors’ jobs. His mentality is still that of a South Side of Chicago community organizer.
Psalm 109:8, Let his days be few and another take his office and charge. (Acts 1:20)
Comment by hello dolly — May 17, 2009 @ 9:34 am
EPH….wake up…discern the times we are living in. What is your world view? What is your purpose for living?
Comment by hello dolly — May 17, 2009 @ 10:22 am
Albert…you tried….but you are not funny. Your chunk of dark humor is not appreciated.
Comment by hello dolly — May 17, 2009 @ 10:07 pm
I do not believe that Hello Dolly and Susyque are the same poster. Susyque is a sock and her sockmaster is NOT Hello Dolly.Susy’s puppetmaster already revealed him/herself with a posting blunder. It IS possible that Hello Dolly is also a sock but I don’t think so.
PPP
would you trust obama to water your plants?
No, he would declare amnesty to the weeds and aphids.
I will show you next what is the current situation for electoral votes. Regarding the weights of each state used to calculate the final aggregate national value, I combined the number of voters in 2000, 2004, 2008 and the electoral votes assigned for 2012, that should take into account the census change. For both results and party affiliation, keep in mind that only a limited umber of states have significant polls, so that I used the 2008 results for more than half of the states. This is the reason why there is quite a difference with respect to the national polls.I expect that in the long run they will eventually converge.
#144 Benny is German and I am not.
Rafael is from Tennessee and I am not.
#145
I just can’t imagine Susy understanding the term ‘masked reparations’, let alone using it in a way that actually makes sense.
I know they are both crazy, and both extremely religious. But, I thought the intelligence scale tipped decidedly in Hello Dolly’s direction… and the ‘Not being a horrible person scale’ tipped decidedly in Susy’s direction.
Did Hello Dolly create a lame-brained alter-ego, so her hatred and bigotry could be passed off as simple ignorance??? Is SusyQue actually an evil mastermind??! My mind is in the process of being boggled.
#147 And, if that’s true, then who is Susy’s puppetmaster?
These are the electoral votes using the aggregate AWESOME results.
And these are the electoral votes using the AWESOME averaged results.
Lindsay Lohan ‘Fine’ After Paramedic Scare
Early reports say the actress was taken to the hospital, though her publicist tells MTV News she was just taking ‘a nap.’
Just another day in the life of Lindsay Lohan: On Friday afternoon (June 15), California station KABC broke news that the oft-troubled actress was taken to the hospital after being found unconscious in a Marina del Rey, California, hotel room and that her condition “was currently unknown.”
According to the report, the Los Angeles County Fire Department responded to a 911 call at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel after Lohan — in Marina del Rey to film the Lifetime Original movie “Liz & Dick” — was found unconscious in the penthouse. KABC ended the story by promising “we will add more details to this report as they become available.”
Of course, those details might be difficult to come by. Because right around the time KABC’s report was making the rounds, TMZ jumped into the fray, breaking news that, while paramedics did respond to a 911 call at the hotel, Lohan was never taken to the hospital.
“Paramedics … determined nothing was wrong with Lindsay [and] left without transporting her to the hospital,” the TMZ story said. “Lindsay wasn’t feeling well after complaining of exhaustion. She called someone from the ‘Liz & Dick’ production team early this morning, and the team sent a private doctor to check on her.
“Before arriving, the doctor called the hotel and asked someone to check on Lindsay,” the report continued. “Someone from the hotel went to her door, ‘checked on her’ and determined she was ‘unresponsive.’ The hotel then called 911.”
KABC subsequently updated its story to include a comment from Lohan’s attorney, who let it be known that the actress was, in fact, “fine.”
“As I understand it, she was exhausted after shooting non-stop for two days,” Shawn Holley told the station. “Someone called paramedics, for reasons which are unclear. They determined that she was fine.”
“She’s OK,” Dina Lohan told the Huffington Post. “She was working through the night and wrapped at 6:15 this morning. She’s home now sleeping. She’s doing a great job.”
#128…I am truly sorry if I offended you by what I said. I too have an autistic child in my family, so I know the heartache mothers have for their challenged children. My cousin adopted a baby who is autistic, about 12 years years ago. She was told the mother was a drug addict while she was carrying the baby. I think we have had this discussion once before. My concern was to alert women that drugs can cause great harm to the unborn child. I believe we had this conversation on HHR and last year. I apologized then for I meant nothing disparaging to women in general. I am a mother and a teacher of many decades. I love children and have had students in my class who were challenged in different ways. Sir, i believe you have taken whatever I said
very personally and yet you know that I do not know you nor your wife. Will you forgive me for offending you? My prayers for the complete restoration for my counsin’s son named Zac will not stop. I will include your child in my prayers.
There have to be at least ten things in those three posts that reveal hello dolly and susyque to be the same.
They are the same person… both could be socks of the same person.
And the fact that she answered 128 with no objection is the definitive answer.
Circumstantial evidence is definitely piling up…
Susy, did you used to post as ‘Hello Dolly’?
So that mystery is solved. Who then is Transparent Dem Troll and who is Cowboy Poet?
#157…DrJay….please stop. My heart is very heavy that I was so misunderstood and caused anguish to another. I have asked to be forgiven for
causing him emotional pain.
I will post the current summaries for some battleground states: Fl, Va, Oh, Co, Ia. If you are interested in any other state, let me know and I will post it.
NV and NH, if you’re taking requests.
#161 I am not trying to harass you, Susy. I am just trying to establish whether that was your old handle… if you do not wish to discuss it, then I will not bring it up again.
do you guys remember marrianne faithful, Bitterlaw’s old lover/girlfriend?
well, she has been sliding since her Bitteraw days
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2159808/Shocking-images-reveal-time-took-toll-swinging-sixties-sweetheart-Marianne-Faithfull.html
Where to begin?
The aggregation of data is absurd (April results?) there is no allocation of undecideds the combination of different polls using different methods is ridiculous plus some pollsters are intentionally falsifying data sets (ppp)
GIGO writ large says I
As requested:
Romney is getting criticized on the right on some blogs for essentially backing Rubio in his statement about the Obama ploy this morning.
#171
MFG,
you noticed that the weight takes into account the date, so that it has “decayed”. What you mean by “different methods”? If PPP is falsifying this will eventually appear as an outlier in the statistical combination.
No disrespect to AWESOME, but Paladin/CFP’s state chart is simple, easy to read, and it is based on current polling, but without any influence of PPP(D) polls. Our rankings are also based on a calculation of poll averages taking into account trends and unique factors that affect the states. This keeps us a step ahead.
Lock R: (112) OK WY UT ID KY KS AL AR TX AK LA SD MS WV
Safe R: (44) ND NE SC TN GA
Likely R: (35) MT AZ IN MO
Leans R: (44) FL NC
Wobbly R: (47) OH VA IA WI
Romney: 282
Wobbly D: (15) CO NV
Leans D: (47) MI OR PA NH
Likely D: (14) ME MN
Safe D: (93) NM CT CA
Lock D: (87) IL MA DE MD RI NY VT HI DC
Obama: 256
Obama hopes that his immigration meddling places a wedge between rubio and the rest of the gop. He is afraid of him.
Final one for Cory, but it is not so “fresh”.
awsome,
unfortunately you are too late
the poster addisonst has already predicted obama will lose
Every poll has a different methodology they cannot be combined in this fashion; ppp is intentionally falsifying data sets which has to be clear to everyone by now; april results cannot possibly mean anything in mid june
#173…bio mom…could this amnesty announcement
today be the “October surprise?”
btw
since 70% of all ILLEGAL ALIENS are under 30
today’s obama message is 70% amnesty
Romney has come on like a freight train in the last ten days it is absurd to have him getting blown out in nh
The intimate dinner banked about $2 million, with 50 people paying $40,000 each. …
Speaking in a dimly lighted, art-filled room, Obama told supporters they would play a critical role in an election that would determine a vision for the nation’s future.
“You’re the tie-breaker,” he said. “You’re the ultimate arbiter of which direction this country goes.”
Among the celebrities on hand to hear Obama’s remarks were Oscar winner Meryl Streep, fashion designer Michael Kors and Vogue editor Anna Wintour…
The president and Mrs. Obama also headlined a second glitzy fundraiser in Manhattan Thursday night that included a performance from singer Mariah Carey and remarks by singer Alicia Keys. The 250-person dinner yielded the Obama campaign at least $2.5 million.
Let me be clear.
ar·bi·ter
[ahr-bi-ter] noun
1. a person empowered to decide matters at issue; judge; umpire.
2. a person who has the sole or absolute power of judging or determining.
NH is one of the whitest states in the country
obama is slightly ahead at best
especially after today
#175
Darrel,
as I said, I am not an expert in American politics. What I do is to use only hard numbers, possibly in the most objective way.
You want to do something like this pick five accurate pollsters with a good reputation use nothing but likely voters and you may hacve a useful tool using ppp is like calling the dnc for its opinion
Awesome, I am always a fan of another polling estimate… someone can always decide for themselves to what degree they will accept your estimate.
Searching the HHR archives, the most frequent users of the word ‘obviate’ are Wes and Gary Maxwell.
#179
MFG,
still I do not understand your comment about not combining polls that have different methodologies. Do they provide independent results? If yes, I can combine them statistically. I have already answered your comment about PPP. Regarding the April results think about the weighting, I will give you something to grasp how much it is. A two months old Poll, when using a decay constant of ln2/30(days) gives a factor 4 that is a multiplier for the MoE. The statistical weight is proportional to the square of the inverse of the MoE. In the end i weights a factor 16 less than a poll taken today. Is it not enough?
#189…Who do you think will win the 2012 presidential election?
Battered by a once-again slackening economic recovery, Democrats of late have publicly betrayed their concerns about President Obama. That criticism reached a fever pitch Thursday, when Rep. Mark Critz, D-Pa., issued an unsolicited rebuke to the White House moments after the president’s high-profile economic speech ended.
“President Obama and others in Washington need to realize that we cannot spend our way to prosperity and that to in order to create jobs,” Critz, who represents much of the late John Murtha’s district around the Western Pennsylvania town of Johnstown. “We need to address unfair trade deals that ship jobs overseas and enact policies that allow us to take advantage of our vast natural resources such as coal and natural gas in a safe and responsible manner which will lower energy costs and create jobs and approving the Keystone XL Pipeline would be a good first step.”
The Crats are leaving the sinking ship!!!!
#187
DrJay,
yes, I am not saying that I am better than others, and, for sure, I will accept constructive critics for improving the methodology. I am not expecting people to like the AWESOME results. They are what they are.
#188
EML,
I already said that English is not my mother language. I take your comment as a compliment. Thanks.
My suggestion was in my number 186 above
http://youtu.be/7zeGQdkqduY
Romney’s latest ad is awesome!
“Battered by a once-again slackening economic recovery”
but … but … you said your bankers said the economy is expanding?
is the economy no longer expanding?
Is awesome = benny?
Sounds like him
Even kudlow is saying global recession and kudlow could rah rah the hindenberg
#194
MFG,
how do you establish good reputation? From the statistical point of view lower the MoE better the “reputation”
. Regarding PPP, I do not discriminate and I consider also (R) pollsters. Hopefully, if they are skewed, they will compensate.
“From the statistical point of view lower the MoE better the “reputation””
that is silly
#197, 198
See #151.
Mfg,
I bought some cheap assed s&p puts today out of the money. No different than putting 25 bucks on the roulette table. We’ll see if greece is a disaster for the markets.
Did the same on wellpoint calls. Figure they get a pop when Scotus nooks HCR next week. Again it’s pin money
Reputation = accuracy over time
Ppp is clearly falsifying data
Also if you’re going to project electoral votes you must allocate undecideds
#195..soHope…yes, it’s a great AD!
eeeewwww….french.
#201
Sorry but the sarcasm did not go through.
I took a small short position yesterday add closed it out with a small loss today then at market close took another small short position
Well see what happens…
#204
What would you suggest as an objective algorithm for allocating undecided?
MFG, you think #189 sounds like Benny?
Are you MF’ING kidding me?
“Sorry but the sarcasm did not go through.”
it is not sarcasm. you are simply incorrect to say,
“From the statistical point of view lower the MoE better the “reputation””
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if a pollster sampled every land line telephone number in NH, i.e. not cell phone, they would have a very small standard deviation
but they still would have a bad sample.
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the ONLY two things that matter in a poll is the size of the sample AND the sampling frame … i.e. the rules that determine their sample
His English is somewhat in the style of a person whose native language is german
Well awesome you have me there I don’t know how undecideds could be allocated but I think you need to do this if you are going to allocate electoral votes based on polling results
lisab is right…and she basically has a masters in statistics
#211
Lisab,
you are correct in your observation.
Maybe Dutch maybe Danish…
#212
MFG,
believe me: I wish I could speak German but I don’t.
“she basically has a masters in statistics”
correction, empirical statistics
217, If Ron Paul had been president during WWII you would have gotten your wish.
What os your native language?
#214
Dr. SoHope,
I have already said that I am not a professional statistician.
#220
Italian.
“I have already said that I am not a professional statistician.”
doing a meta-analysis of polling is not an exact science
your guess is as good as anyone’s i suppose
Well Kommie Kory is in the house.
Kommie Kory, just as I supported the Potus on his standing up for gay marriage, I applaud him on his clearly non politcal move on amnesty.
Let us hope he continues by fighting for union rights, against guns and supporting Holder.
I think he’s in great shape for November. Don’t you?
To put him in landslide category he needs a strong statement saying affirmative now affirmative action forever.
however, MFG claims that the
PPP poll is biased
to the point of perhaps being made up
# 223
You are again correct. Look at my disclaimer.
Ive been too critical your methodology is an interesting start
I hope you refine it and keep us updated on the results
#225
Lisab,
if that can and it is demonstrated, I will discard them.
believe me its not me
Actually there is a third thing that matters in a poll and that is the results themselves… results nearer the center of a random sample have less confidence.
If you know your sample is random, and you have a large sample, a result of 80-20% has a smaller confidence interval than 52-48%.
176
Yes. A lot of this is all about Rubio. He has his book coming out Monday and his own immigration legislation was gaining popularity in Congress.
” Look at my disclaimer.”
i saw it
i think your opinion is ok
however, i suggest that perhaps your NH numbers are a little too pro-obama.
i could be wrong, but i live in massachusetts and imo NH is not as pro-obama as your analysis makes it
i have no opinion on your other states
#227
MFG,
as I said, I am open to anything that can improve it. So let’s ask the HHR community: what can be an objective algorithm (please, forget your party sympathy) for assigning the undecided?
If you can come up with something that can be considered valid, I will implement it in my coding.
“results nearer the center of a random sample have less confidence.”
interesting point
and a forth thing would be the underlying distribution …
however, i think it is fair to say these samples are:
a.) not random
b.) not stationary, or even close to stationary
c.) not far from 50-50
d.) and not normal
180.
Suzy, it was all about Rubio and the failure of his economic speech yesterday. Otherwise it could have been an October surprise. But he still has other panders to play in October and he surely is looking for dirt on Romney.
#232
Lisab,
I do not fudge the numbers, but I use what it is given. The polls in New Hampshire are old. I am pretty sure that new ones will give a better understanding of what’s going on there.
If I were going to do this I would weight pollsters by reliability and only include the top six or seven pollsters in my results and then weight by reliability (as exemplified by accuracy in past cycles) and time
#234
Lisab,
If your points a) and d) are true, then AWESOME is just trash
.
#235…Hopefully, the gop and congress will rise up put a stop to his plans. He seems to think he is president, legislator and judge.
He gets away with too much!
Well an assumption has to be made…
Historically undecideds break 2-1 for the challenger so perhaps we allocate 58% of the undecided to the challenger (the midpoint between 66% and 50%)
#240
MFG,
what about Nevada senate in 2010?
Weight by reliability and time then assign 58% of the undecideds to the challenger…
True
Also Bush in 2004 split undecideds as an incumbent
Awesome,
we know the samples are not from a normally distributed population, they cannot be — a vote is either pro-obama or pro-romney. they are not even binomial, because sometimes they report undecideds — so at best the polls are multi-nomial.
also, we know the samples are not random. each polling group has a different sampling method, largely based on trying to pick out registered voters vs. likely voters vs. adults.
also, most of the polling is done by telephone. that is certainly not random sampling.
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real world data collection is very different from textbooks.
Ok, I think I have swamped you with enough numbers today. MFG gave me something to think about on how to split undecided. Meanwhile, if someone has a better suggestion about this,let me know. Have a good night.
Keep us posted as to how this evolves…
#244
Or nuclear data, the ones I am used to. In any case, this is for fun. We will see how AWESOME does perform.
for assigning the undecided?
undecideds will break heavily against the President
http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/gsp2012_spring_ccon060812.pdf
probably Obama is slightly ahead in NH
just to give you an idea of how PPP could fudge the numbers very plausibly
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let’s say that 10% of the vote in 2008 came from predominantly black neighborhoods — just for example purposes.
i could reasonably say that 10% of my sample should therefore come from black neighborhoods this time in 2010.
however, that assumes
a.) that obama will get out the same number of black voters (somewhat likely)
b.) they will vote for him at the same rates (likely)
c.) 90% of the voters will come from non-black neighborhoods in 2010 (somewhat unlikely)
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it is quite likely that MORE non-blacks will vote in this election than last election (percentage-wise), either because of lower black turnout or higher white turnout than in 2008
and
more whites will vote for romney than voted for mccain (percentage-wise)
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thus PPP could easily skew their polls if they wanted
http://www.newsmax.com/Newswidget/rendell-obama-hillary-clinton/2012/06/14/id/442391?promo_code=E702-1&utm_source=Morris&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1
“Although she offered no insight into the tightly held decisions of her colleagues, [Ruth Bader] Ginsburg did indicate that many of the court’s decisions over the next two weeks — which are also expected to include an FCC indecency ruling — might be close.
The 21 remaining decisions, she said, were “many of the most controversial cases” that the court reviewed this term.
“It is likely that the sharp disagreement rate will go up next week and the week after,” she said.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77479.html
so the court is likely to rule 5-4 on obamacare and arizona
Many on the right are once again threatening to stay home because Romney did not call the immigration pronouncement unconstitutional . Unfortunately it is not! He did not use an executive order he just is having the Homeland Security dept. show prosecutorial discretion. Romney cannot yell about things that are not true. He is not a blogger!
it is a murky question
can the executive branch refuse to implement a congressional law?
it is a moo point though, because the democrats in congress will support obama no matter what he does. he could order the usa to start collecting guns from dangerous elements known as the white middle class, and the dems would support him.
“Many on the right are once again threatening to stay home because Romney did not call the immigration pronouncement unconstitutional . ”
just tell them to wait until obama is in his second term and has appointed two or three more judges on scotus
and then they will see what obama will do.
#254…bio mom…their response is just a knee-jerk reaction. Their threats will hurt them and all who want ooo gone. Executive order should not be used politically. Maybe it needs restrictions. As you so often say…relax…ooo
thinks he is king again.
Who’s the new lefty thread hog/sitepest?
Chek on speed?
President Barack Obama issued an executive order that bars the US Open golf tournament from deporting foreign golfers who miss the cut. “These players should not be punished merely because they had to travel on a long flight. American golfers have an unfair advantage with no jetlag. Jetlag leads to inferior ballstriking. That is not an America we want.”
mnw – I skipped AWESOME’s crap faster than SusyQue and WEC’s posts.
#260…Thanks Bitter…that’s all I need today.
Even SusyQue needs a pleasant word now and then.
OK, Hello Dolly.
I didn’t really follow the SusyQue/Hello Dolly discussion. This ispretty damning evidence to confirm the relationship:
Yes, the scripture tells us plainly how the Almighty views homosexuality. We respect homosexuals by showing everyone common courtesy. That does not mean we compromise our scriptural values. As believers, we must honor the Almighty and his Word, first. Every homosexual person was created by the sexual union of a man and a woman. The very essence of government is the family. It is the foundation of sound government. Each generation is created through the marriage union of a man and a woman. From this union the Almighty wants godly children. (Malachi 2:15) Blessings follow those who follow
the Word of the Lord.
Comment by hello dolly — May 8, 2009 @ 11:55 am
Wasn’t hello dolly smarter but crazier?
People who live in the past are cowards and losers.
Romney needs to be clear that whole there may be merit to Obamas proclamation today it is blatantly unconstitutional
Doubt that happens Pitch. They are baiting Mitt so they can paint him as sheriff joe. He will probably team up w Rubio for a gop dream act.
Is that a mini-Ditka or a regular-sized Ditka?
#266…Where in the constitution is what ooo did wrong? Is it congresses job to control who is declared legal or illegal?
I believe Obama cleverly avoided the constitutional issue by not saying they were not here legally but by allowing their cases to be subject to prosecutorial discretion. Yes, it is an abuse of power but I think he covered himself legally. We need to solve this problem at the ballot box and vote him out.
Interesting developments on HHR today. Awesome shows up and outs susyque as hello dolly, but hides his own identity. Does awesome = bonncaruso?
” Is it congresses job to control who is declared legal or illegal?”
yes, the congress is the branch that wrote the laws regarding who can be here. the ILLEGALS have broken the law.
and obama is refusing to enforce the law
unfortunately the democrats in congress will not force the president to enforce the law.
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and that is very bad because it means that the president can ignore any law he dislikes.
bio – it depends upon the statutory language. It’s the battle of shall vs may.Shall means you must be deported. may means you can be deported.
#271…outing hello dolly….please…I have a right to be whomever I want to be on any blog. there is no outing…I have never written anything
shameful or awful to be ashamed of; it’s like changing your password now and then. I am no longer hello dolly.
Wes had said the hall monitor was hello dolly. I don’t know but I don’t remember hello dolly being as insipid as the hall monitor.
if exxon dumps oil into the gulf of mexico
will they be subject to
“prosecutorial discretion”?
Amnesty and citizenship should only be rewards for truly outstanding behavior. Going to college and getting a useless chicano studies degree while sucking up student loan resources for better-deserving students should not be one of them.
Military service where life and limb are at stake is clearly one area deserving of citizenship status.
At any rate, Obama is an idiot panderer. Week after week he goes after stupid micro-issues designed to help him win re-election rather than dealing with the nation’s problems. He’s every bit the closeted liberal bigot that we all knew him to be in 2008.
Wes outed Hello Dolly and then disappeared. Coincidence?
Doesn’t a president swear to uphold the constitution. If he doesn’t can’t he be impeached.
He should be stopped in some way or we are
destroying our own republic. Are we not a government of laws and law abiding citizens?!?
“Military service where life and limb are at stake is clearly one area deserving of citizenship status.”
you cannot join the usa armed services if you are an ILLEGAL ALIEN
Today was another bad day for s4b politically. No reason for mitt to take a contra position. Besides he isn’t going to undo it. He will be busy w bigger fish.
“If he doesn’t can’t he be impeached.”
he can only be impeached if the dems think not upholding the law is a crime
Yes he’s going to be impeached 5 months before the election. And then will romney be impeached when he doesn’t reeverse the order?
fortunately in many places it went over like a lead balloon
in massachusetts obama is getting hammered
if you or a family member are without a job and have a mortgage with children in college
and the president just said, “anyone in the world can come here and get welfare and food stamps” paid for by the working people of the usa
you would be upset too
Wait unil he agrees to send money to help bailout Greece! They are thinking about it.
#278…Bitter…you are right. This is the second time that “the person” who called me out for offending his family. Nothing was addressed to his family in anyway. He took it very personally and I apologized then because I didn’t want him to think I would speak unkindly about his family whom I do not know at all. Today, he brought it forth again. I don’t know his moniker. Dave is the one who told Wes my blog name.
“Wait unil he agrees to send money to help bailout Greece!”
that would be very unpopular
but actually in our best interests
#284…Good point lisab…! That’s just what he is doing.
Bitter…do you think it had anything to do with what I said about forgiving Polarus this morning?
Wtg Bitter. Now the hall monitor is posting on that nonsense on top of her usual claptrap. Thanks muchly
Um other than our imf bribes we are not funding greece. The imf payments aren’t going away either. They should have already been cut by the house. I hope boehner gets jettisoned and replaced w Cantor.
Add – she’s just talking to herself. We’re better off that way.
“I hope boehner gets jettisoned and replaced w Cantor.”
is that your prediction?
Bitter she’s talking to herself twice as much.
Drudge:
OBAMACARE RULING: SUPREMES ‘SHARP’ DISAGREEMENT
“OBAMACARE RULING: SUPREMES ‘SHARP’ DISAGREEMENT”
if the decision was 5-4 in favor i doubt she would describe it that way
it is possible, but i think if she thought it was going to be upheld she would say there was agreement
So now we are bailing out greece with a slush fund? Good thing holder is around to investigate. Ok bitter here’s sa toughie. More insipid holder or hall moniotor?
295…that’s good news. I would be worried if they had reached consensus and agreement on the ruling.
Susy,
Don’t let the turkeys get ya down. They only attack you (and even I have been guilty of an unkind jab or two) because you shine the light of the truth of the lord on their immoral behavior.
We are all sinners. The Lord knows this, forgives us, and loves us anyway.
The surest way to earn dislike is to force someone to look at themselves. You do this. Others don’t like it, but I do appreciate it.
How did you all like our brand-new troll AWESOME? Pretty sly strategy.
Look, probably shouldn’t get involved in this blog’s twists and turns…however…it seems to me that many people here use different names for a variety of reasons. So, why it is such an earth-shaker to have it revealed that SusyQue used another moniker at some time or other?
Not an issue to me Janz. I just want her to stop her let’s convert everybody to her religion crap.
#299…How kind of you to say that to me. I appreciate your comforting words. Thanks!
Do you think Romney will win this election? I am believing he will.
A couple vacations coming up for me so probably a 2 week hiatus for me. Just so you know I’m not dead.
Susy,
Yes, I think Romney will win. He’s running a very strong campaign.
I’ll be happy with his judicial picks, but that’s about it.
His judicial picks are a pretty damn big deal.
Janz…we all read the posts we want to read and we skip the ones that don’t appeal to us. (some on HHR don’t “get” it) I appreciate the posts from all the gals on HHR. Lots of good information. #302 is in denial. (:-)
When your only ally is Jul . . . forget it. Good evening, Jul.
#300…do you really think he is “new?”
Phil,
I agree. He’ll also reverse the Kenyan Candidate’s foreign policy of restoring the Caliphate to bring about the destruction of Israel to cause the return of the 12 Imam (or, in Christian terms, the Anti Christ)
That’s my other big thing w hall monitor. She brings gender into everything. Liberal style. Pathetic.
Bitter,
That took you longer than I thought it would. I almost said it myself just to save you the key swipes.
It’s time to draw up articles of impeachment against Obama. We cannot allow a precedent to stand where an Executive ignores laws he doesn’t like, or rewrites laws through enforcement. There are at least 3 recent examples – ranging from the momentous to the minor:
1. Today’s decision to institute the DREAM Act by fiat
2. His decision to “recess appoint” officials even when the Senate was not in recess….in fact, during that “recess” the Congress passed his payroll tax cut
3. Changing the date on the enforcement of certain student loan provisions to benefit students. The provision reduced payments owed under a certain repayment plan. The law was scheduled to go into force in 2014; he decided to make it effective in 2012.
4. DOMA – He refuses to enforce — that said, at least this is a constitutional objection, in which withholding enforcement power is arguably kosher.
Add,
Don’t be so sensitive. She’s not hurting anyone by evangelizing.
Personally, I’m a Christian but I don’t believe Jews, Hindus, Wiccans, Buddists, or mainstream Muslims (etc…) are going to hell.
If she said “convert or I’ll kill you”, then you’d have a point.
#304 Brandon
Enjoy your vacation time, away from politics and teaching!
Obama to grant work permits to 800,000 young illegals. Mama Mia!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/15/obama-grants-legal-status-young-illegal-immigrants/
Jul I’m not that sensitive. If you want to tell me that your guy is the guy and shove it down my throat, then I tell you that he’s a carnival barker conman with nary a clue and that you pray to a pagan.
#166 (VIRGINIA)
AWESOME AGGREGATE RESULTS MoE 2.0%
DEM. REP. IND. RESULTS
OBAMA 92.8% 10.6% 39.5% 47.6%
ROMNEY 4.0% 86.1% 47.4% 45.6%
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So according to the numbers, only 4% of Dems vote for Romney in VA?
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Am I reading this right?
Jul – SusyQue has turned me people here against religion than she has converted. Actually, she has converted nobody. Even our Evangelicals have asked her to stop,
One of our “Evangelicals” is a creepy old perv with issues who stalks pretty 20 somethings on Facebook and makes them feel uncomfortable.
Number one: SusyQue is a moron.
Everything else is a direct result of number one.
Jul its not stalking its persistence
It’s better than stalking unattractive 20 somethings.
I agree w lisab. This went over like a lead balloon.
Goodnight, HHR. I’m in far too harmonious a frame of mind to let the A-holes ruin in.
Susy,
Stay in the light. You have your faith and family. You don’t need anything else. Be well, and God Bless.
“One of our “Evangelicals” is a creepy old perv with issues who stalks pretty 20 somethings on Facebook and makes them feel uncomfortable.”
Hey!!! I’m 31 and don’t do facebook. I possess only the standard ammount of perversion and have never stalked anyone.
AWESOME
Said they speak 4 languages?
Italian, English and what else?
Spanish? and Hopi?
AWESOME
A WES O ME
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Can’t you see????
It is WES
(a name spelled within aWESome)
TA DA!!!!!
Also, everyone is free to believe what you want. I happen to believe in an afterlife that has rules of admission. That doesn’t make me hateful or bigoted. I will tell you that my belief is that the rules of admission are faith based and not merit based (thank God for that) but that is as far as I will take it.
It your religion states that you must dress like a clown and make meow for 3 hours a day or you will go to hell then more power to you.
“…dress like a clown and make meow for 3 hours a day or you will go to hell then more power to you.”
Dude! I’m in! I already do this for 2 hours a day!
Hey, nothing wrong with stalking….
I am who I am because of stalking
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Now just where is that goose that lays the golden eggs….
AWESOME,
Can you please put up the polling result for my State House of Delegates district?
I would appreciate it.
I think we can all agree all socks face eternal damnation in the lent trap of despair
Will each sock stand on its own or must they go in pairs to Heaven or Hell?
“I happen to believe in an afterlife that has rules of admission. That doesn’t make me hateful or bigoted”
Right, it doesn’t. You are free to believe what you want.
It’s when you decide that other people have to believe in what you believe that it becomes a problem.
And it becomes bigotry when you use your beliefs to discriminate against others.
SusyQue has a big problem with what others believe in.
Some think that because she is a moron with the IQ of a turnip she should get a break.
I don’t happen to agree.
Matthew 24:40
Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
“It’s when you decide that other people have to believe in what you believe that it becomes a problem.”
I personally believe that you have to “believe a certain thing” in order to get in “the afterlife I believe in” and I don’t believe in any other afterlife….is that a problem for you, Jason???
Who the h3ll keeps their socks in a field?
without stalking none of us would be here. Your great grandmother didn’t let your great grandfather anywhere near her the first time he asked her out. He had to come over numerous times. Court, sleep on the porch.
Well ok if you were Irish that’s not true but no ethnicity with any class let a first time interloper get near his object of desire without serious stalking
336 was an answer to Walt’s sock afterlife question.
Every sock is judged accordingly. Thank goodness… I would NEVER be able to make up for the sins of Sir Carmine.
Matt. 24:40
yeah, he talks about two in the field.
But what about two in the sock drawer?
Who the h3ll keeps their socks in a field?
Fruit of the Loom?
BTW, all my socks are knitted, not woven?
Hope – are you saying that when a sock disappears in the dryer, it is realy the Rapture.
Only right socks disappear in the dryer… the rest of us are left.
#335 jason
Just do some chilling towards susyque. She is entitled to her beliefs, just as you are to your’s. Even if she attempts to persuade people into thinking as she does, you are fully capable of rejecting it, and simply moving on without making a major crisis out of it, or subjecting her to ‘moron’ status.
Bitter, I take it you havent seen the two latest installments of the Left Behind series?
The Battle of Arm & Hammer
and
The Rise of the Anti-Static Dryer Sheet
Mr. Vito, have you taken the Mark of the Bleach?
Sir Carmine is very old… he was in the garden of eden… Eve thought he was a serpent. In the new testament he was part of the legion cast into the swine… however he made his way into a sheep and passed himself down from generation to generation until the Amish sheep we were knitted from.
In between he has made many leaps and left a trail of havoc…
The fall of Rome? Carmine.
Mrs. OLeary’s cow? nuh uh… Carmine.
The Hindenberg? Carmine.
The McCoy’s pig? not stolen… Carmine.
Ï personally believe that you have to “believe a certain thing” in order to get in “the afterlife I believe in” and I don’t believe in any other afterlife….is that a problem for you, Jason???”
None at all. You can believe in what you want. I am perfectly fine that you think you need to believe in certain things to get into the afterlife.
Hope – Personally, I think Snuggles is the Anti-Christ. Nothing can be that cute and good at the same time.
“Mr. Vito, have you taken the Mark of the Bleach?”
No, never.
But once Carmine gave me the black spot… said it was from his pirate days. Apparently he had a run-in with Davy Jones.
Well, all you people and socks sleep tight tonight.
You may awake tomorrow and have to deal with “God knows what” HEAD ASS might do to further destroy the nation or the world.
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We may luck out since it is a weekend and he may take a day or two off from the pillaging and ruining of the nation.
Peace.
That snuggles bear tries to snuggle me and I’ll make him my b!tch.
Good night Walt… DrJay says Kiki Cuyler and Rogers Hornsby… whatever that means.
well I am out too…later
Jason/et al… stop talking foolishness…everyone on this blog is over 21 years old. We are all adults. You are responsible for your own life and one one can convert you. If you are a miserable person you have chosen to be that. Name calling is a social blunder for people who are ill mannered and who project their own misery on others. I am very thankful for the good life God has blessed me with since I was born. Sadly, it has become trendy to criticize outstanding people with outstanding accomplishments. You may very well be smarter than I am but you lack wisdom and that
is a gift only God can give.
Janz…you are a jewel…a wise woman…I appreciate your peace-maker skills.
Susy, what is your favorite parable?
SusyQue you are an ignorant moron who thinks somehow you have been appointed by God to spread your twisted views of what religion is about here.
You haven’t. This is not a forum for whatever missionary work you feel you feel compelled to accomplish.
And nobody cares what your ideas of acceptable blog behavior are.
If you can get these two concepts clear in your limited brain you won’t have to whine all the time about how you are treated.
“#335 jason
Just do some chilling towards susyque. She is entitled to her beliefs, just as you are to your’s. ”
Exactly.
Nobody cares what her beliefs are, so why not keep them to herself.
Or better, why doesn’t she go to a site where people are interested on her views on religion, if such a place exists.
I give the same advice to Bunu, I think he will be much happier over at Stormfront or Daily Paul.
As Sunday’s Greek elections approach, there’s a rising consensus and concern that the plebiscite could prove to be a Lehman Brothers moment for Europe. That is to say, if the hard-left bailout-denouncing Syriza party wins, it could set off a cataclysm in the markets, a chain reaction that would set neighbors and then the whole world on fire.
….
Saddle up.
Go Syriza!
lol:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/13193334-418/chicago-hedge-fund-manager-switches-from-2008-obama-fan-to-2012-romney-backer.html
DrJay…I cannot express how deeply I love the Lord for what He has done for me. I have no favorable parable because I love reading and believing all the parables. Jesus is my first love. He said. “If you love me, you will do what I say.” So, when I seek His wisdom and read His word and do what it says, I am expressing my love to Him.
What is your favorite parable?
the sheep and the shepherd
Mr.Vito approves too.
My favorite statement in the bible is “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.” I think it means keep religion and politics separate at HHR.
My favorite parable:
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
#365…DrJay, yes it’s beautiful the way the Lord looks over us and go out of His way to find us if we stay.
I have blogged at HHR for many years. I am very interested in current events and politics. I got that from my father as a little girl.
(Greeks in Greece are always talking politics.) This election is sooo
important to me and I trust you feel the same way. I like to post interesting articles….I don’t really understand the interpretation of polling numbers, so I admire the bloggers who do.
#367…Bitter…Sunday is Father’s Day, have you ever told your Dad
that you love him?
SusyQue- He will be 85 in a month. His generation doesn’t want to hear that. He knows I love him. I also told him that I have already written most of his eulogy if he ever wants to hear it. We have the same sence of humor.
#371..Bitter, I am sure you have many laughs together! You’re a good son because you do look out for your Dad.
If We Took the Constitution Seriously, Obama Would Be Impeached
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/06/if_we_took_the_constitution_seriously_obama_would_be_impeached.html#ixzz1xvfcAZ29
Welcome to the HHR night shift…
For your listening pleasure… a few Presidents of the United States that know a little something about being im”peached”
…and some beautiful artwork.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmaF6IOODFc
Ah, yeah… Mr.Vito flipping the tracks…
And now we bring you to a smooth groove featuring our buddy Bunu… be sure to watch for the shock ending, where we discover why Bunu keeps the tinfoil under that hat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=aa3rBVb3v4g
And now, in honor of Papa Tim, a song that is sometimes peaceful, sometimes a bit stressful… and at times downright depressing… but still endearing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk
I hate to say this, but Romney may have made a bad move today. If 70 percent of this country is against illegal immigration/amnesty, why would he not play those odds?
And Rubio introducing his own Dream Act could be a mistake of epic proportions.
I mean, what is to gain for Rubio introducing his own version now?
Romney could lose the base right when we are starting to belive in him.
Sir Albert joins us on the program… what do you say Al? Can the Cardinals get back on track?
The Cards are always reliable. Kind of like Alabama Crimson Tide Football so yes.
Romney’s campaign has been top notch thus far, but I’m telling you, the base is pulling its hair out over this one.
He needs to put the president’s move today into economic terms like jobs for Americans first. He must use the economy to make the desperate move by ooo look severely out of touch.
Indeed… the Cardinals always seem to at least give themselves a chance in the end. More teams into the playoffs, too…
Interesting point about Romney… do you have a link?
No link, just my take. It’s a great opportunity for Romney. In baseball terms–a pitch right over the plate, but does he see it?
We’re nearing the end of our programming…
Next is a beautiful ballad about my chance encounter with the Bitterlaws on the subway… you’re a lucky man!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oofSnsGkops
Notice the one article of clothing that seems to be missing… (a coincidence? I think not!)
Good night hogs.
Sir Albert- ZzzzzzzzZzzzzz. I forgot abour the “But what about the (never defined) base?” whine. Truly Deadender old school rhythm.
Good night, Sir Al… we’ll see how this amnesty thing plays out in the polling in the next week.
Good night all! I’ll leave you with a song I can’t get out of my head… MD kept singing large portions of the tune in the shower for six weeks straight after Gary Maxwell made his infamous exit…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAKm7JWZ2xI
Special thanks to Sir Albert!
My apologies to Chekote, who we couldn’t bring out due to time constraints (wink wink).
I do not understand this animosity against me. I am not a troll, neither Wes or BonnCaruso. As I said, I am just a lurker from long time back and have still good memory even if I am relatively old. I am trying to give here some useful contribution. You do not have to like the numbers I post, and you are free to criticize them. I am using a methodology and that’s it.
Coming back to the discussion of including PPP or not, I want just to point out that AWESOME has an intrinsic mechanism to mitigate/obviate any possible distortion. Many of you say that it is the party affiliation used by certain pollsters that would skew the results. AWESOME does not use the original party affiliation provided by the pollster but it weights them with the statistically average of the party affiliation of all polls. This reduces the dispersion and mitigates the skew. This will be clearer with time when more state polls will be available and I will show how AWESOME “changes” the result by re-weighting. HTH.
#327
Walt,
French.
AWESOME is more boring than Polaris but takes 20x as many words to say the same thing. Discuss.
#318
Walt,
that is correct. That is the result of the statistical weighted average of all cross tables available.
I don’t see how the issue of deliberately fraudulent data can be gotten around
You’d be better off selecting six or seven pollsters with high reliability then weighting them
If I started making up numbers today would you add them into your average because you’re confident your system would later discount them?
The idea is ridiculous be gotten around
Much better would be picking 6 or 7 pollsters
Ok awesome here’s my.poll
MI June 15
Mitt 75%
Obama 25%
MoE 1.1%
I met MD once because he lives 6 miles away. Dave W went to the university 2 blocks from my house. Hellbelly’s son is going to college close to my house. Brandon, Jason and Barrett are within a 3 hour drive from my house. Am I the center of the HHR Universe?
#240
MFG,
I thought about it. I do not think at this stage, we are still more than 4 months away from elections, we have the right to break down the undecided in favor of the challenger. Undecided are still what they are: undecided. Maybe down the road (in the last month?), we can think of “forcing” the undecided to vote. I am open to a good suggestion on how to do that.
MFG – I didn’t even understand AWESOME enough to be able to make fun of him effectively.
#392
Bitterlaw,
I apologized in advance for my pedantic style. See #111.
Pedantic? I was going to use verbose or overblown.
Well you can’t assign electoral votes to candidates then
When I worked on Bobby jindals first governors race a seven point lead turned into a four point loss in a week the opponent went negative we didn’t respond I estimate undecideds broke 9-1 against us
46%-44% with ten percent undecided tells me nothing
Bitterlaw,
you are cranky this morning
here is some music to cheer you up
ummmmmm … you may want to drop acid first
DJ Anjali and The Incredible Kid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z988suWE4TM
#394
MFG,
I consider only documented polls (normally they appear in RealClearPolitics). For that you have noticed that I have not included the Palladin/CFP polls
.
I would start with the assumption that undecideds break 3-2 against obama which is reasonable
You’d be.better off with paladin
Ppp is agenda driven horseshiiit the network polls are d+10 or worse
GIGO
#440
Bitterlaw,
OK. I apologize for my verbose and overblown style. Cream soda
.
HHR posters I have met:
MD
HHR posters I could meet without much effort:
hellbelly
Lisab (if she wants to meet me on my Boston vacation)
Jason
Dave W.
Brandon
Jul
Cream soda? You are a lurker. Cream soda.
Nothing with PPP in it can be taken seriously nothing from the networks usind d+12 can be taken seriously nothing with registered voters (as opposed to likely) can be taken seriously
#405
DW,
maybe it is because I am used to the idea that people do not cheat, but I would, at least for the moment, keep them all. In the scientific world cheating is the worst sin: you are automatically disqualified.
GIGO
Obama: Going Rogue
Lloyd Marcus
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/obama_going_rogue.html
Wow, looks like the Miz – er AWESOME – has already managed within less than 24 hours feel the wrath of HHR.
(Reuters) – With President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney delivering dueling visions for the U.S. economy in speeches on Thursday, a majority of independents said that Obama’s policies have made it harder for Americans to gain employment, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.
I see MittWitt has flip flopped on DREAM act and amnesty this morning.
More validation that he will say anything to get elected and that no one should trust him or vote for him.
Montana, Iowa & Virginia State Conventions all this weekend.
Let’s hope they all oppose Mitt Romney,
http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/2012/06/15/consumer-sentiment-hits-6-month-low-in-june/
Ron Paul!!!
I usually do not name call here but Emerica you truly are an absolute idiot.
“Let’s hope they all oppose Mitt Romney”
Bunu, the man (?) History left in the dust…..
“More validation that he will say anything to get elected and that no one should trust him or vote for him.”
Bunu, you need to vote for Obama.
He promised to transform America as we know it and he is doing it.
You can trust him.
“HHR posters I could meet without much effort:
hellbelly
Lisab (if she wants to meet me on my Boston vacation)
Jason
Dave W.
Brandon
Jul”
If you call purchasing some nice gifts such a case of fine wine and a genuine NFL Tebow jersey “not much effort” I would have to agree.
json – do they sell the jerseys of backups? I can’t find any Mike Kafka jerseys for the Eagles. Zing!
Please Bunu. I don’t think Mitt made any bad move at all yesterday. He was smart not to have a knee-jerk reaction. That’s why he didn’t respond to desperate reporters who were shouting at him yesterday. He’s better off just holding to what he has said in the past and deferring to Congress to come up with a solution for the immigration problem.
Obama is desperate and he wanted to cut out Rubio’s proposal before it got legs. He is all about saving his presidency no holds barred. I think this really hurt Obama badly, particularly in the Midwest. Obama has already been up with a 2-1 edge on Romney in the Hispanic vote. I don’t think he can get much more out of that voting segment. But there are a ton of blue-collar white indies and Democrats in the Midwest that are really going to have a problem with him on this.
Except for white limousine liberals Obama has pretty much lost the white vote and he knows it. I take no joy in this situation because such division is not good for the country. But he deserves to lose and quite frankly he has not been a president for all of the country, just for his favored groups. And he does not even try to hide it.