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Obama Leads By 14% in MI, Leads By 6% in PA

As promised, Public Policy Polling sees an entirely different electorate than every other polling organization with regards to the state of Michigan.

PRESIDENT – MICHIGAN (PPP)
Barack Obama (D-inc) 53%
Mitt Romney (R) 39%

Meanwhile in Pennsylvania, Romney is within 65 of Obama while keeping him below 50%.

PRESIDENT – PENNSYLVANIA (PPP)
Barack Obama (D-inc) 49%
Mitt Romney (R) 43%

The MI poll was done July 21-23 among 579 registered voters. The PA poll was done July 21-23 among 758 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 11:07 am
Filed under: General | Comments (94)

94 Responses to “Obama Leads By 14% in MI, Leads By 6% in PA”

  1. dblaikie says:

    The PPP poll of Michigan is the third laugh of the day.

  2. SusyQue says:

    Mitt Romney, gave his best speech of the campaign yesterday, serious and presidential, confident about America and strongly supportive of our most supportive allies. Romney finds the enthusiasm of the GOP base rising, the independents/center breaking his way, and money and the volunteers flooding in. All this despite efforts by MSM-defenders of the president trying to make some anti-Romney story “the story” every news cycle, and despite hilariously irrelevant polls which include “registered voters” from California and work off of 5-to-7 point Democratic advantage turn-out models to produce results that tell us the president is ahead in key states or, at worse, the race “very close.” The story is that this is the weakest incumbent of modern times, far weaker than even Jimmy Carter was at this point in 1980. Romney has the momentum heading into August, the Veep selection and the conventions. (The toss-over of Biden looms –August is the most dangerous month for Biden.

  3. Phil says:

    So Obama is carrying Michigan by the same amount he carried it in 2008.

    Bahahahahahahahahaha

    Jensen is going all out for the cause – what a surprise.

  4. Michael says:

    With Condi, Romney pulls into a tie with Obama and has a better favorability than Romney! Meaning in real polls Condi would probably put Eomney up at least 3! While Jindal, Pawlenty, and Portmanteau make everything worse!

  5. Phil says:

    PPP and NBC need to get a room.

  6. Howard Dean says:

    Is PPP detecting a trend, Wobbie?

  7. so yesterday we get a D+11 NBC poll. Now we get PPP saying Obama is +14 in a state that he ranged from -2 to +6 in the last couple polls. Tell us Wobbie why we’re paranoid for saying that their is clear bias in some polling?

  8. Reminder: electoral-vote.com’s vote master swears PPP is no D pollster

  9. Tina says:

    We are doomed, more polls like these and nbc in september, and Romney is done.

  10. rdelbov says:

    Two total trash polls. Cats find them too stinky to do business on.

    Nationally PPP finds Romney +10 up among indies but not in Michigan and PA.

    PPP stands alone finding indies have hug a love for Obama in MI and PA.

    I might add that PPP finds Ds have more love for Obama then in 2008 in these states???

    So trashy.

  11. Howard Dean says:

    How, exactly, do these particular laws, enacted by Republicans only, protect Democracy, Howard?

    Tim

    Good Lord. This isn’t even a serious question.

    I’m guessing you’re part of the fringe-kook that opposes ID for buying liquor. Er, I mean driving a car, er I mean entering the DOJ bldg. Er, I mean applying for welfare. Er, I mean buying a gun. Er, I mean paying for things with a check or credit card.

    Dammit, I mean voting.

  12. Phil says:

    So, PPP says the race is tied nationally at 46-46, but Obama is up 14 in Michigan.

    Okee dokee

  13. DW says:

    So it’s Mitchell vs PPP(D) in today’s polls.

    If you want a real laugh consider this poll from almost exactly four years ago:

    Michigan

    McCain 43
    Obama 46

    PPP(D) – 7/27/2008 – 883LV

    Strange that four years ago PPP(D) wasn’t afraid to do likely voter polls in July.

    So according to PPP(D), as of July 2012, Obama is doing ELEVEN points better in Michigan than he did in 2008!

    Jensen is absolutely stoned on cheap drugs.

  14. Last 6 MI Polls:

    PPP (D) (RVs) – Obama +14
    Mitchell (LVs) – Romney +1
    Rasmussen (LVs) – Obama +6
    NBC/Marist (RVs) – Obama +4
    WAA (R) (LVs) – Romney +2
    Baydoun/Foster (RVs) – Obama +1

    which of these those not look like the others…

  15. oops Baydoun/Foster is a LV poll

  16. DW says:

    Howard Dean, I have to show a PHOTO ID to buy a stinking $20 pizza at my local Pizza Hut!!!

  17. MD says:

    I wish I wasn’t banned on Tommy J’s blog.

  18. let me edit this post:

    Last 7 MI Polls (6/2/12/ to 7/24/12):

    PPP (D) (RVs) – Obama +14
    Mitchell (LVs) – Romney +1
    Rasmussen (LVs) – Obama +6
    NBC/Marist (RVs) – Obama +4
    WAA (R) (LVs) – Romney +2
    Baydoun/Foster (LVs) – Obama +1
    Epic-MRA (LVs) – Romney+1

    which of these does not look like the others…

  19. Tina says:

    Voter ID = Poll Tax per the corrupt and incompetent Eric Holder.

  20. Howard Dean says:

    DW, I LOVE it when the Dem fringe comes out and attacks Voter ID laws, it’s popular even in deep blue states.

    I want the public to see them as the anti-democratic radicals they are.

  21. Phil says:

    Tommy Jensen

    Super pollster

    I love this guy.

  22. Howard Dean says:

    Thoughts on this new Crossroads ad?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWsnzZMIXGU

  23. Bitterlaw says:

    This site is getting strange. Add becomes a dating counselor and I actually agree with his advice.

    I heard that Maxwell is coming back on August 12 to teach a course on Anger Management.

  24. SusyQue says:

    RASS:
    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll: Romney 47%, Obama 44%

  25. hey looks like I mis-read the Ras MI Senate poll, RCP shows it as 46-40 for Debbie

  26. Bitterlaw says:

    MD – Go to Ozzie’s for lunch.

    You missed a great 8th inning last night. The rest of the game sucked. If the Rangers actually wanted Lee, we should pack his bags for him and drive him down ourselves.

  27. Bitterlaw says:

    Does anybody else remember the big push the Democrats made on forcing states to register voters when the applied for drivers licenses? It was going to make voter registration easy. Apparently, photo id and voting used to be a good idea for Democrats.

  28. Howard Dean says:

    Yes Bitter, that was the Motor Voter law pushed by Clinton and MTV.

  29. PPP did it’s job, a 2 pt lead for O in RCP jumped to 4 pts w/ PPP polling

  30. Tina says:

    We need some new trolls, they literally take Assselrod’s warning for Romney that his ads are negative, and then come here and parrot them.

  31. just found a fb electoral map showing Romney winning MI while losing SC & NC *facepalm*

  32. Hunter says:

    Yes…

    Romney is not being aggressive enough…

    The Romney campaign has been heavily pressing their “you didn’t build that” attacks for the past ten days and Wednesday is their biggest push yet with events with small business owners in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia, Ohio, Iowa, Florida, Missouri, North Carolina, Michigan, New Hampshire, New Mexico, and Nevada. …

    In events at small businesses in locations as varied as Waukesha, Wis. to Palm Beach, Fla. to Columbus, Ohio, entrepreneurs will express their anger at the “you didn’t build that, somebody else made that happen” line.

    Lou Ramos, a small business owner from Tampa, will be at his local event. He owns an information technology and computer training company called Value Enterprise Solutions, Inc. and he said the president’s comments made him “almost throw up when I heard it.”

    Ramos is a 64 year old Hispanic veteran, serving in the military from 1973-97, including two tours at the Pentagon, and he said he did read and watch all of the president’s comments in context, not just the two sentences continually highlighted by the campaign.

    “I heard the whole thing and I read it,” Ramos told ABC News, mentioning he did like Obama when he spoke at the Democratic National Convention in 2004. “I heard the whole thing…The guy was talking sincere…This guy thinks success is about government hand outs and not perseverance.”

  33. Tim says:

    #11:
    Yeah, it’s a serious question. And, you answer comparing Voter I.D. Laws to all of that other stuff, is utter nonsense.

    The voters I am saying that are targeted do not have the necessary government i.d. to do any of that.

    Or, do you propose that the taxpayers pay for the i.d., so that citizens can exercise their right as citizens to vote? Because, some of them don’t have the resources to get such an i.d., otherwise.

    Or, do you propose they don’t vote, Howard?

    And, I still am waiting for proof of massive voter fraud, if that is the reason you guys continue to give for enacting these laws.

    Personally, I think you are doing it to give yourself an electoral advantage. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be done.

  34. Drive-By Tim says:

    people who vote like I do are too stupid to get an ID

  35. Tim says:

    #28:
    The difference being, that had nothing to do with Voter I.D. Laws. Motor Voter was all about making it easier to register to vote. Now, isn’t that true?

    I would think that, as an attorney, you might present a better case than that, Bitterlaw.

  36. Tim says:

    Now, I’m going to eat lunch. Feel free to burn me in effigy amongst yourselves

  37. “Or, do you propose they don’t vote, Howard? ”

    anyone too stupid not to get an ID in the same place they can register to vote via the Motor Voter law shouldn’t vote

  38. “Now, I’m going to eat lunch. Feel free to burn me in effigy amongst yourselves”

    and that’s why we call him Drive-By Tim

  39. Bitterlaw says:

    Or, do you propose that the taxpayers pay for the i.d., so that citizens can exercise their right as citizens to vote?

    Absolutely. I would donate money to pay for them to get IDs. The Romney campaign should offer to pay the cost in PA. That would kill the argument that Republicans don’t want real people to vote. I wonder how fast people would race to geta photo ID if all social programs required it. I bet nobody would miss a single day of food stamps if that was a requirement.

  40. Bitterlaw says:

    I would think that as a football coach you would play better defense, Tim.

  41. DW says:

    34…oh please…there are so many EASY ways to get a photo ID these days. Many libraries, when get a FREE library card will snap a mug shot and print it on the card. If you are too lazy to have a photo ID then you are probably going to be too lazy to go vote anyway.

    Where is YOUR proof Tim, that there are all these voters who would be dis-enfranchised?

    The truth is most voters HAVE a photo ID or could get one very easily if they wanted one.

  42. Tina says:

    You even are required to show ID for medical benefits too, being Medicare, or private care.

  43. janz says:

    #23 HD

    Like the Crossroads ad. It makes it’s point, IMO.

  44. EML says:

    You really think people who are too lazy to get an ID are part of the 55% of the voting age population that actually votes?

  45. Robbie says:

    6.Is PPP detecting a trend, Wobbie?

    Comment by Howard Dean — July 25, 2012 @ 11:14 am

    It’s humerous that I somehow have become responsible for polls that aren’t good for Romney.

    While you’re waiting for the Rev Wright tape to be made public, let me remind you of what I said.

    I said I don’t get bent out of shape about partisan breakdowns in national polls. How that relates to this poll, I don’t know and I don’t care.

    Tick, tick, tick.

  46. Transparent Lazy Troll says:

    I am new here, having been hired recently by my boss here at the Dem blog troll center. I think you know who my boss is, Transparent Dem Troll. I am not feeling especially inspired to work today…so here are my comments with our template not filled in.

    I worry Romney is going to lose, because [Fill in anecdote here]

    I am a lifelong conservative, but am afraid I cannot vote for Romney because [Fill in stupid mis-information about Romney]

    I am worried that this new [fill in recent bogus poll propping up Obama] poll indicates its all over.

  47. DW says:

    I have said it over and over…my local Pizza Hut DEMANDS a Photo ID in order to purchase a stinking $20 pizza!!!

  48. Robbie says:

    9.We are doomed, more polls like these and nbc in september, and Romney is done.

    Comment by Tina — July 25, 2012 @ 11:18 am

    No matter how much you write this, it doesn’t make it what I wrote.

    I wrote last night that if the polls, not any one in particular, continue to show Obama essentially ahead at the end of August, then I might have to re-evaluate how I think the race will turnout.

    By that I mean, there may not be a big swing at the end to Romney. I didn’t say he was going to lose though. Still, continue to draw incorrect inferences from what I did and didn’t write. Or are you just getting incorrect information from you top secret sources.

  49. rdelbov says:

    I have no problem setting standards, like picture ID to vote, even if there are no cases of fraud. We do not allow people to just cash a check or apply for social security or get a marriage license without proving who they are.

    Will some people not to get vote? Maybe but consider points.

    1st states restrict hours to vote right now. KY and IN have fairly short hours to vote and place limits(especially KY) on absentee votes. You have drive or get transportation to get to vote. To carry Tim’s arguement a bit further does this not deprive people of the right to vote? In CA there is now unlimited absentee voting, same day registration and early voting for weeks before the election. Does the limited hours to vote and strict absentee rules in KY & PA make it harder and more costly for people to vote there?

    2nd is picture ID somesort of poll tax or burden on people. Our forefathers would laugh at that idea. The .001% of people who truely do not have picture ID for check cashing, driving, or so many stores reguire it should be provided free IDs. That’s just so minute.

  50. Todd McCain says:

    MSM is trying to make a big deal out of an adviser’s “Anglo-Saxon” comments……

    Again — another thing Romney didnt say that media attributes to him — just like etch a sketch.

    It just shows how badly they need distractions to win this race.

  51. SoHope says:

    That was a good crossroads ad…the longer the “you didn’t make that happen” stays out there, the better.

  52. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder how many people were denied the right to listen to Eric Holder because they didn’t have the photo I D required to attend his speech on voter I D.

  53. addisonst says:

    Dim Tim is looking for proof of voting fraud?

    Are you familiar with my hometown?

    Where dead people vote? That’s not urban legend. That’s fact. WTF is wrong with you.

    The Dems stole Wisconsin in 2004 due to voter fraud in Milwaukee. It wasn’t pursued b/c it didn’t effect the result of the election.

    How the hell do you think Gore got so close in Fla in 2000?

  54. Ben Romney says:

    here`s my weekly electoral map:

    A candidate needs 270 EV to get elected !

    If the presidential election would be held today:

    Mitt Romney would get 241 EV!

    President Obama would get 216 EV!

    081 EV (CO MI NH NM PA VA WI) are too close to call!

    29EV barely Romney (CO PA)

    52EV barely Obama (ME2 MI NH OH VA)

    VP candidate:

    Rice: 24.5%
    Rubio: 20.7%
    Pawlenty: 18.9%
    Christie: 07%
    Ryan: 06.5%
    Santorum: 06.0%
    Jindal: 03.8%
    Martinez: 03.5%
    Portman: 03.3%
    McDonnell: 02.5%

    Mitt Romney 46.4% 45.0% Barack Hussein Obama

    Mitt Romney241 Barack Hussein Obama:216 Toss-up:081

    Alabama (09) 37.1/50.6
    Alaska (03) 40/52
    Arizona (11) 42.8/51.3
    Arkansas (06) 33.2/53.0

    California (55) 52.2/42.8
    Colorado (09) 46.8/47.8
    Connecticut (07) 50.5/43.2

    Delaware (03) 62/37
    DOC (03) 90/10

    Florida (29) 46.2/48.9

    Georgia (16) 41.2/51.6

    Hawaii (04) 59/32

    Idaho (04) 36/62
    Illionois (20) 51.9/37.1
    Indiana (11) 42.0/49.6
    Iowa (06) 47.0/48.5

    Kansas (06) 35/52
    Kentucky (08) 37/53.5

    Louisana (08) 37/53

    Maine (03+1) 49.4/48.8 48.5/47.8
    Maryland (10) 54.1/40.0
    Massachusetts (11) 53.3/43.4
    Michigan (16) 48.0/46.3
    Minnesota (10) 49.1/45.5
    Mississippi (06) 38/50
    Missouri (10) 43.0/49.8
    Montana (03) 42.3/50.4

    Nebraska (04+1) 39.1/52 42.6/49.8
    Nevada (06) 50.0/46.2
    New Hampshire (04) 46.5/46.4
    New Jersey (14) 52.5/42.3
    New Mexico (05) 48.4/46.1
    New York (29) 59.4/40.6

    North Carolina (15) 47.5/50.5
    North Dakota (03) 35.7/51.3

    Ohio (18) 47.5/46.9
    Oklahoma (07) 30.5/64
    Oregon (07) 49.1/46.9

    Pennsylvania (20) 48.0/49.0
    Rhode Island (04) 54/37

    South Carolina (09) 38.1/44.9
    South Dakota (03) 34.5/47

    Tennessee (11) 39.6/46.0
    Texas (38) 37.7/51.8
    Utah (06) 26.8/67.3

    Vermont (03) 56.5/37.5
    Virginia (13) 46.6/46.2

    Washington (12) 48.9/46.5
    West Virginia (05) 36.7/51.2
    Wisconsin (10) 49.8/47.8
    Wyoming (03) 33/65

    Senate:
    2010: GOP: 47 DEM: 51 IND: 02
    2012: GOP: 52 DEM: 40 IND: 02 Toss-up: 06
    Takeover GOP: FL HI MO MT NE VA WI
    DEM:
    IND: ME
    Toss-up: CT IN MA MI NM OH

    Governor:
    2010: GOP: 29 DEM: 20 IND: 01
    2012: GOP: 32 DEM: 17 IND: 01 Toss-up: 01
    Takeover GOP: NC WA
    DEM:
    Toss-up: MT

    President: Approve/Disapprove National: 45.0/49.9

    State by state: Approve:204 Disapprove:334 Tied:000

    Strong approve Obama:

    DC (85.0/15.0)

    DE:(56.6/43.5)

    HI (59.2/36.7)

    MA (54.0/44.2)

    MD (54.4/41.6)

    NY (56.4/43.3)

    VT (54.3/37.3)

    Lean approve Obama:

    CA: (53.6/44.5)

    CT:(50.5/46.1)

    IL: (51.9/42.2)

    NJ: (51.4/46.0)

    RI (51.4/41.5)

    Weak approve Obama:

    ME:(49.3/47.5) 3EV

    MI (50.1/48.1)

    MN:( 49.2/47.8)

    WA (49.5/47.0)

    Strong disapprove :

    AL (59.9/39.0)

    AK (59.8/38.8)

    AZ (54.2/43.5)

    AR (63.7/33.2)

    ID (71.0/29.0)

    IN (56.0/39.7)

    KS (62.2/36.0)

    KY (58.0/35.9)

    LA (59.7/39.0)

    MO (54.0/43.4)

    MS (57.8/39.7)

    MT (56.3/40.4)

    NE (51.8/38.8)

    ND (58.4/36.8)

    OK (66.4/31.7)

    SD (58.1/40.7)

    TN (52.4/39.6)

    TX (52.4/38.8)

    UT (69.3/28.1)

    WV (63.3/29.1)

    WY (68.9/30.4)

    Lean disapprove:

    CO (51.4/46.3)

    FL (51.9/44.6)

    GA (49.6/42.8)

    NC (51.4/46.8)

    OH (50.1/46.3)

    OR:(50.5/46.7)

    SC (49.1/43.6)

    Weak disapprove :

    IA: (47.5/46.8)

    ME:(47.5/49.3) 1EV

    NH (49.4/47.1)

    NM: (49.4/48.5)

    NV (49.5/47.6)

    PA (48.8/46.4)

    VA: (50.5/46.0)

    WI: (50.5/49.3)

  55. addisonst says:

    How do you tell a Romney voter from an Obama voter?

    Romney supporters sign their checks on the front;
    Obama supporters sign them on the back.

  56. Tina says:

    Why is >>> still responding to me, when >>> asked me not to respond to him?

    I confused.

  57. Hunter says:

    #56…

    Damn, that’s good…

  58. bio mom says:

    So why does RCP immediately add the ppp state polls but completely ignores their national poll with the race tied?

  59. Yolanda says:

    Obama has opened a *huge* lead in Michigan. Sigh. Extrapolating from these huge gains, we can only conclude that he has made similar gains elsewhere. This likely means that AZ, MT, IN, MO, and MT will fall into the Obama camp, as well as all of the swing states.

    At this rate, GA, TX and TN will be swing states come November. At least we’ll get UT, though.

    This is all because we didn’t nominate Santorum! There’s still time!!

    Santorum-O’Donnell 2012. Strength in Purity!!

  60. Tina says:

    I guess the Romney Olympics comment did not quite match up to You did not build it.

    But Romney needs to be more positive, otherwise, we are doomed. Two weeks ago, we were doomed because he was too passive.

  61. Tina says:

    Camp Obumbler is really on the defensive. Remember, even Sissey Matthews denied making the Tingles comment.

  62. SoHope says:

    proof of voter fraud…how do you expect we do that when we can’t validate voters by checking ID

    one would be a fool to admitt to gaming the system.

    Lets see what we can find on google though:

    In no ID jurisdiction young man given Eric Holder’s voting ballot …

    …an estimated 180,000 illegal immigrants already registered to vote in Florida.

    Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top.

    A San Fransisco news station uncovered 232 local people with death certificates had voted after they had died – some more than once.

    Nope…no proof

  63. addisonst says:

    Tina IMHO Romney needs to shave his head. That perfect hair is costing him the election.

  64. jan says:

    From Election Projection:

    “Historically, a sitting president has been difficult to defeat, and President Obama will be no exception. However, even though he leads Election Projection’s electoral vote count by a comfortable margin, 332-206, his advantage is far from comfortable. A closer look at the numbers reveals no less than eleven states currently rated “Weak Obama.” These states represent 141 EVs, 77 more than Republican Mitt Romney needs to gain the majority. Florida, Ohio and Virginia are presumed to be must wins for the challenger, and he’ll need one more state beyond that to get to 270, the electoral votes needed to win the White House.”

    Eleven states rated “Weak Obama” today

    Colorado (9)
    Florida (29)
    Iowa (6)
    Michigan (16)
    Minnesota (10)
    Nevada (6)
    New Hampshire (4)
    Ohio (18)
    Pennsylvania (20)
    Virginia (13)
    Wisconsin (10

  65. DW says:

    I remember once Milwaukee media reported that a university student there was boasting and bragging how he had voted multiple times…but then was told he better keep his trap shut because what he was admitting to was against the law.

  66. janz says:

    #34 Tim

    “And, I still am waiting for proof of massive voter fraud, if that is the reason you guys continue to give for enacting these laws.

    Personally, I think you are doing it to give yourself an electoral advantage. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be done.”

    There’s been various reports sprinkled around the country of voter registration forms being mailed to people via names of deceased pets etc. Just this morning in Drudge this was posted about Virginia, which is being looked into because of the hundreds of complaints being registered by residents having voter-registration forms being addressed to “deceased relatives, children, family pets and others ineligible to vote.” The organization doing this is supposedly a non-profit, non-partisan one whose main goal has been to energize “Democratic-leaning voting blocs such as young adults, unmarried women, African-Americans and Latinos.”

    If there is any electoral advantage being exercised here, it is simply to insure those who are voting are alive, human and eligible. Is there anything wrong with that?

  67. janz says:

    #56

    Add, that was really a catchy comparison of the Romney versus Obama voter. I’ll be sure to remember that one!

  68. addisonst says:

    Perhaps instead of stating fraud doesn’t exist, Dim Tim can enlighten us with his views on why it’s too hard to get an ID even if paid for by the state and how many voters have been disenfranchised by having an id requirement.

    The answer is zee row which has been cited as grounds for upholding voter id laws.

  69. janz says:

    Speaking of voter fraud, wasn’t there problems in the Nixon/Kennedy election in Illinois, where if Nixon had demanded a recount, or something, maybe that close election would have rendered a different result???

  70. Johnstown Junction says:

    Any analysis that considers MN, MI, PA, NV and WI as “weak Obama” is pure fantasy.

  71. addisonst says:

    Janz I’d like to take credit for it but unfortunately, that one wasn’t mine.

    But i did come up with toasting a marshmallow and putting it between graham crackers with a hershey bar.

  72. Tina says:

    I am concerned that Romney is not being positive enought.

  73. DW says:

    71…then apparently even liberal Charlie Cook is enganging in pure fantasy as he has NV a tossup, PA WI and MI as lean D (similar to election-projections ‘weak Obama’) and he has MN as Likely D, but hadn’t updated his page since that recent poll showing MN within six points.

    So your view it appears is the fantasy.

  74. janz says:

    S’mores, add? ….however, I give you credit for ‘sharing’ the back/front check one. I will definitely be recycling it.

  75. rdelbov says:

    I agree the Fed should be audited but would prefer to wait until Jan 2013. I suspect it would put thousands of accountants to work!!

    Plus the GSA would need to rent condos in Hawaii to give pep rallies to hard working accountants.

  76. Bitterlaw says:

    In Philadelphia, the voter fraud allegations are almost always made after the Democratic Primary (the real election as opposed to the formality in November). The Democrat DAs almost never prosecute any of these cases. Hmmmmmmm.

  77. addisonst says:

    Janz the notion that Mayor Daley I stole the 1960 election has been debunked as a myth.

    It’s generally based on 2 false premises:
    1) that stealing Illinois was a difference maker. It wasn’t.

    JFK wow 303-219 and Illinois was worth 27 votes back then.

    2) that because Daley stole Illinois for JFK that it kept west coast voters home.

    Whether it did or not Nixon won every major west coast state.

    Now, if Daley successfully stole Illinois, and he may well have, and LBJ stole Texas, they you 51 ev’s which would have put Nixon at 270 and a victory.

    Kennedy won Illinois by 8800 votes out of 4.8mm cast. But Dim Tim has assured us there was no fraud there. :)

  78. ILLIGITMI PUBLIEYE says:

    And, I still am waiting for proof of massive voter fraud, if that is the reason you guys continue to give for enacting these laws~~~myopic timmy

    Former Democratic Rep. Artur Davis, who is black, said vote fraud is rampant in African-American districts like his in Alabama

    more fraud

  79. addisonst says:

    Oh sure Janz they call them Smores now after my idea was misappropriated.

    I had named it the marshmallow, chocolate, graham cracker thingy.

  80. pitchaboy says:

    Michael Medved makes the point that historically all Presidents who have won re-election have done better than their first win. And Presidents whose base has shrunk, have all lost.

  81. ILLIGITMI PUBLIEYE says:

    And, I still am waiting for proof of massive voter fraud, if that is the reason you guys continue to give for enacting these laws~~~myopic timmy

    even more fraud

    acorn found guilty

  82. janz says:

    Thanks for the info and clarification Add.

  83. ILLIGITMI PUBLIEYE says:

    83.And, I still am waiting for proof of massive voter fraud, if that is the reason you guys continue to give for enacting these laws~~~myopic timmy

    acorn pleads guilty

    the fraud map

    Like the duracell bunny,the list goes on

  84. janz says:

    #82 pitch

    I heard Medved’s broadcast on that one too. He went into extensive figures and it made a lot of sense.

  85. MD says:

    Phil’s sign Hamels. Rumored 7 years, 160m. The amount is not confirmed but the signing is

  86. SoHope says:

    Tim,

    So we need to find “massive” disinfranchisement voters due to voter ID???

    Would you require “massive” corruption by judges, or “massive” amounts of murder by police before you would call for action against.

    Voting, like our justice system and law enforcement is sacred and one corrupt act is massive enough.

  87. janz says:

    Why isn’t there fraud reported on the right? Has anyone ever heard the left call fraud on conservatives? It seems the howl from the libs is only they want carte blanche access to voting…anything else is repression.

  88. MD says:

    Tim and the fringe left make zero sense on that issue. I have never laughed so hard.

  89. GF (El Jefe) says:

    Good morning/afternoon, HHR.

    Not much from CA today. IN FL-13, DSCC intenral has CW “Bill” Young at 49%, but still leading by 14 points. They crow that he is “under 50%.” I guess we can do the same about Casey, no?

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/25/1113492/-Poll-Shows-Bill-Young-Under-50-In-Race-Against-Jessica-Ehrlich

    Up in NY, Buerkle is down 4 in a DSCC internal. Not bad for her, actually, since Maffei is a known quantity. It will be rough, but she may survive since he is such a bad candidate. If he does win, we have a good shot in ’14 to take it back.

  90. ILLIGITMI PUBLIEYE says:

    No timmy there is no fraud

    Timmy either needs a good optometrist for his political myopia, or a proctologist to remove his head from
    his nether region.

  91. Ron Burgundy says:

    Take it to the bank – things will be so bad by election day, Romney will take them all:

    Colorado
    Florida
    Iowa
    Michigan
    Minnesota
    Nevada
    New Hampshire
    Ohio
    Pennsylvania
    Virginia
    Wisconsin

    It will be 1980 all over again.