McAuliffe Leads Cuccinelli by 5%, Leads Three-Way race By 8%
Well we have the first poll of 2013 for the state of Virginia from Public Policy Polling and it shows Terry McAuliffe with a 5% lead over Ken Cuccinelli in a two-way race while in a three-way race, Bill Bolling clearly hurts Cuccinelli.
GOVERNOR – VIRGINIA (PPP)
Terry McAuliffe (D) 46%
Ken Cuccinelli (R) 41%GOVERNOR – VIRGINIA w/Bolling (PPP)
Terry McAuliffe (D) 40%
Ken Cuccinelli (R) 32%
Bill Bolling (I) 15%
It might have been interesting to see a Bolling/McAuliffe head-to-head contest as well, but it appears PPP did not include this. I would have thought Bolling would be better than he shows here in a three-way race, but clearly he is not very well known since 56% of the voters have neither a favorable nor an unfavorable opinion of him. What is scary for Republicans is Cuccinelli’s unfavorable is already at 45% while McAuliffe, as sleazy as we might think he is, stands at only a 26% unfavorable rating.
This poll was done January 4-6 among 602 registered voters.
Jensen’s 2013 polling will matter to me in about 6-8 months. Till then, I’d rather see Cuccinelli ahead by 5, but eh- we’ll see how it goes.
I will take it, it’s Jensen. He is probably using 2012 voter ID when they will be inconsistent with true turnout
Brandon I don’t care what you think.
Oh Cuch.
This shows that a Bolling run would be just to deny Cuccinelli and would put Bolling right up there with Akin as a selfish moron.
Democrats usually don’t commit political suicide like Republicans do. Why are they smarter than us?
I 2nd what W.PA Observer said in comment #1
that said VA will be a tough one. add a 3rd party run and it’s pretty much ovah
I don’t agree with MD about PA.
Definitely a swing state. Romney lost by 300k votes out of 5.8 million cast.
That alone would qualify it as a swing state.
I believe the term swing state has to do with how close the votes are rather than how many times a certain party wins. That is why NC is a swing state also, although it mostly goes Republican.
If 150k people in PA changed their minds because of Sandy and Chistie, Obama can thank them.
how Sandy effected the race will be debated 100 years from now when people look back at the 2012 election. I’m not 100% sure I think it was the sole reason O won but the fact is pre-Sandy Romney lead national polls and was knocking on 270 in the state polls, post-Sandy and Obama lead the national polls and the state polls were shifting away from Mitt
Very rude that none of you announced there was this New Thread.
Some were still stuck in the last one.
I’ll actually take these early PPP VA-Gov numbers. Didn’t Tommy have Deeds up by similar amounts in the early going of 2009?
#11, actually Rasmussen was the only one who ever had Deeds up!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2009/governor/va/virginia_governor_mcdonnell_vs_deeds-1055.html
The first PPP wasn’t until June according to RCP and it was 49-43 McDonnell. The closest to this date was Rasmussen who polled the race February 4th and had it 39-30 McDonnell after a December poll had it 39-39.
The swings on Rasmussen’s polling is absurd.
btw Clinton won PA by larger margins both in 92 and 96 then O did in 2012. O won the state by larger margins then Clinton did both times in 08. pretty big swing towards the GOP 4 years after and in a state Romney didn’t really compete in until the last week
#13, sounds like Cuccinelli has some work to do then. Bolling obviously isn’t helping.
PA is not a swing state for POTUS elections. Numbers simply don’t lie. The only way we win PA in the forseeable future is if we have won at least 40 other states. Reagan like blowouts.
The votes are not there as I proved in this election.
15 – Author
McCain did the same in 08. A last week push. A good rule of thumb for the future is when you see that happen, it is a bad sign nationally.
MD – If the votes are not there then why would the votes be there in 40 state blowouts? I’m not picking a fight. I want to know how to get those people to come out and vote when it is not a 40 state blowout.
Cuccinelli will do better if he can coalesce the Republican support. He’s at 81-11 right now while McAuliffe is at 81-6 among Dems. Cuccinelli has limited crossover appeal so he really needs a big number of Republicans(about 95% or so). If he gets only around 90%, I have my doubts that he can win.
I get things wrong like everything else. When it comes to PA though, 99.5% of the time you can take what I say to the bank.
#15, Romney was close enough in 2012 that it’s still worth considering in future POTUS elections.
I mean the number of viable red state flips are shrinking as it is!
T Mac as Gov! Hard to believe.
18- McCain was in PA far earlier than that. I went to a McCain/Palin rally in Lancaster, PA in September 2008 where both principles were present.
PA right now is probably around state 29-30 in order of what would go GOP- barring going over 40% of the Latino vote and having New Mexico drop into our laps.
Brandon says:
January 8, 2013 at 3:49 pm
No one cares who you agree with pipsqueak.
Romney achieved the absolute max in PA that any GOP candidate could have this year. Any.
Still, it wasn’t enough. Spend the money somewhere else. Focus on maintaining the House advantage.
I stand by my long term record on PA.
Since I will remain in PA until I die, I guess it doesn’t really matter who wins the state every four years. The Bitters put down deep roots. My dad has lived in the same town since 1960. I moved to PA in 1986 for college and law school and only returned to briefly to New Jersey on breaks.
#26, where else do you spend it then? Just limit the options to FL-VA-OH-IA-NH-CO only?
FWIW
PA Prez Elections Since 92:
1992 – Clinton 45%, HW Bush 36%, Perot 18%
Clinton +9
1996 – Clinton 49%, Dole 40%, Perot 10%
Clinton +9
2000 – Gore 51%, W Bush 46%
Gore +5
2004 – Kerry 51%, W Bush 48%
Kerry +3
2008 – Obama 54%, McCain 44%
Obama +10
2012 – Obama 52%, Romney 47%
Obama +5
BTW, I did my job. In the 8 counties in my sphere of influence, Lancaster, Lebanon, York, Cumberland, Dauphin, Franklyn, Adams and Perry:
Obama 2008 367k
Obama 2012 329k
Mccain 2008 471k
Romney 2012 485k
McCain won these counties by a combined 109k votes, Romney by 156k.
My Amish voter drive in 2016 should improve on these numbers.
29- Some national ads would also be nice- if nothing else than to help the Congressional races and remind Republicans/Indies in NY and California that the GOP still exists. It doesn’t do to have blowouts that lopsided in large states.
MD, I am sorry I am not convinced, PA is a swing state, you just need to campaign there as it is one of your target states the day of I feel.
Too bad we don’t have a campaign that will do a countrywide campaign investing in advertising in places like Connecticut or Maine. That would only happen though if the race were really competitive and open though.
There were 21 states where Obama beat Romney by more than he did in Pennsylvania. 21. Not 39.
Pennsylvania has been a light blue swing state for a while now, and shows no signs of going dark blue.
#15 Author,
Back in 1864 Lincoln only beat McClellan (D) in PA by 51.75% to 48.25%
jason – if you could just use a car instead of a buggy in your voter drive would really take off.
31- Better question- what was Bush 04′s numbers there? I recall Bush crushing it in Lancaster and hitting 65%.
In 2004- GW Bush won my congressional district (Old PA 4/ new PA 12) by 9 points – Romney won it by 16-17 or so.
I don’t know if Cuccinelli can win. But if Bolling runs it makes it a sure thing that he won’t.
The press will demonize Cuccinelli, they hate attractive conservative candidates. It worked with Allen, didn’t work with McDonnell.
“jason – if you could just use a car instead of a buggy in your voter drive would really take off.”
Look, I already used my Sunday horse on weekdays. What more do you want?
35- Now this is a PA Presidential Map –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Pennsylvania,_1956
and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Pennsylvania,_1904
Bazinga!
I stand by my comment that PA is a swing state, even in Presidential elections. Three of the last four elections were decided by 5 points or less.
In my book, that’s a swing state.
Now, MD’s point about where the money should be spent is another story. I might not disagree there are better uses for the money depending on the situation at hand.
#6:
We’re not.
#9:
Romney was never ahead.
I think Romney’s best county was Fulton…77.4%.
“#9: Romney was never ahead.”
RCP says otherwise, from 10.09.12 to 10.31.12, Romney lead; O took the lead for good 6 days before the election
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Romney was ahead by 7 in Gallup right before Sandy. His lead was smaller in other polls but he was ahead in the RCP average.
Tim is the male version of lisab, unhindered by facts.
Yeah, and RCP missed the election results by over 3 points. Polls were undercounting Obama support the whole way along.
@47 you really don’t get it do you? we don’t give a damn what a Canadian has to say about our politics. I care more what freaking Robbie and Tim have to say over you.
WPA – Up until the 1950, Philadelphia was a GOP stronghold. Sure, it was corrupt but it was our side! One of my friends told me that back in the 1940s if you worked for the city you were paid out of Republican Headquarters.
49- The state of PA was basically a GOP vote machine from 1860 until the New Deal – it didn’t vote for a Democrat between hometown James Buchanan in 1856 and FDR’s reelection in 1936 (stuck with Hoover by 5 points in 1932). It usually went by a landslide- McKinley, TR, Taft, Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover all cracked 60%. TR and Taft split the GOP vote in two in 1912 and TR still won. Every major population center and most of the rural counties were Republican. York, for some reason was a Dem leaning county, as was the area around Scranton.
PA needs to changed back into red again. If PA were to be red everytime for 5 years GOP wouldn’t even need Ohio or New Hampshire.
@50 centre was GOP
Tim what is your opinion on global warming–GW is real, trumped up hype?
And if GW is real, then is it manmade?
Thank you for the brilliant analysis Michael. Next you will be telling us that all the GOP needs to do is win California and then all of the other swing states won’t matter.
How you get PA into the red column in presidential elections is 30 days before the election bus in Rs from MD, NJ and NY to temporarily move acros the PA line and vote there.
R votes for president in NY, MD and NJ are wasted there.
@55 no, the laws of physics do not allow GOP statewide wins in CA anymore
The laws of physics? Stay in school, kid.
There will be a Q Poll out tomorrow for Virginia.
I haven’t commented in here in a long time….
Before the November 2012 Va results, I would have to say that Ken would have beenthe better candidate than Bolling against McAuliffe, but now, I think Bolling would have been better, especially, in liberal Northern Virginia. Ken is just too polarizing and will be perceived as anti-women. Unless something happens(economy gets worse, President Obama’s approval drops, McAuliffe implodes, etc.) between now and November, Democrats are going to control both VA senate seats and the Govenor’s mansion.
@58 its called sarcasm Cory, I guess your to “smart” to understand it.
@59 I was wondering, did it give specifics of who was being polled or just VA poll tomorrow?
Uh, that has nothing to do with sarcasm.
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Pastor placed one hand over his ear and the other on top of his head, and then prayed and prayed and prayed, and the whole congregation joined in with great enthusiasm.
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This debate that has been going on for a few years now about whether or not PA is a swing state is all a question of semantics. Some people define “swing state” as one that “swings” from one party to the other depending on who wins the presidency, while others define it as one that is closely divided.
When people argue about whether a state is a “swing” district, it’s a little bit like arguing about whether who was a “bigger” pitcher, Randy Johnson or Rick Reuschel. Well, if by “bigger” you mean “taller,” it’s obviously The Big Unit, but if by “bigger” you mean “heaviest” or “fattest,” then it’s clearly “Big Daddy” Reuschel.
So let’s just get rid of the word “swing” and talk about “bellwether states” (which tend to vote for the national winner) and “battleground states” (states that are competitive between the two parties in presidential elections). PA hasn’t voted for a GOP presidential candidate since 1988 despite the party winning the presidency twice since then, and it was one of only 13 states to vote for Humphrey in 1968, so it certainly is not a bellwether state. But by coming within 5% of voting for Romney in 2012 and within 2.5% of voting for Bush in 2004 it has earned the distinction of being a battleground state.
#40, TR and Ike were pikers compared to Harding. Here’s PA in 1920: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Pennsylvania,_1920
#60, David, if Cuccinelli is so “toxic” in Northern Virginia, how was he elected and reelected to a state senate district in NoVA that went Democrat after he ran statewide in 2009? And in 2009, how did Cuccinelli run just as strongly in NoVA in his open-seat AG race as Bolling did in his Lt. Gov. reelection race? Both Cuccinelli and Bolling got 48% in Fairfax, 59% in Loudon, 57% in Prince William, 67% in Fauquier and 65% in Stafford. See http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=2009&fips=51&f=0&off=9&elect=0&datatype=county&def=1
and http://hamptonroads.com/newsdata/election/2009/results/race/lieutenant-governor
Just because someone is conservative, does not mean that he’s polarizing or unpopular. And so far, the only Republican in VA complaining about Cuccinelli being “too conservative” is sour-grapes Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling who is upset because “it’s his turn” and he knows that he can’t defeat Cuccinelli in a nominating convention.
The money blown in PA would and, in hindsight, should have been spent in FL, OH and VA. Even if he wins all 3, Romney still falls short though. After those 3, there wasn’t another obvious candidate. NH and IA turned out to be sucker plays. I really do not understand IA.
Sandy hurt Romney but so did Akin, Mourdock and Santorum. We can only sacrifice so many segments until it becomes clear that winning a national election becomes almost impossible. I think the turnout was fine with actual R’s but the party ID was not what we thought it was. A lot of lite R women from 2010 who were pissed at Obama over Obamacare and spending became indies by 2012 and voted for Obama. Why? A big part, imo, was the primary. It wasn’t just single women that were turned off. For some fence leaners, Akin and Mourdock sealed the deal.
People also have to accept the fact that mid-terms and generals are nowhere near the same animal. I had to repeat that here all the time before the election. 10 isn’t going to happen anytime soon. If we are not a little pragmatic going forward, we will just hand the Marxists elections.
The VA election has all the makings of a GOP fustercluck. Hard to believe that TMac could be gov of anything, even as something as stupid as HHR, after his dreadful 04 performance as head of the DNC.
Anyone want to disagree with me now on the importance of the after market auto parts industry in Ohio?
Ohio Joe, where are you? I need you to make some statements that can be discredited with a 5 second google search. Bored.
AUH – was it you who typed that the R’s would have 55 or 56 Senators? Only 10 or 11 off. Can you do a very long post with a statistical analysis of the probability of that happening?
A lot of the moderates pretend to always put the “party first” until they lose anyway.
blow me
Emerica, the America hating loser
They got the same percentage because people voted straight R.
Hard to believe that TMac could be gov of anything, even as something as stupid as HHR
Hey. Don’t rip the only thing I ever won. The next election is in November. Run against me. It would be epic. Men would tremble. Women would scream. Babies would cry. Walt might wake up.
I actually find Bunu pretending to be a Repubican more annoying than Cory commenting on our politics.
I ain’t running for something as shi+ty as governor of a comments section of a blog.
MD inspired me to go back to the Island. They actually post articles on survivalist tactics now. The top article is why raising quail is better than having chickens in your hideout.
That hurt, MD. Not as much as it hurt when you stormed off for two months like a big p*ssy and I had to take messages for you but it hurt.
American government–designed by geniuses, run by idiots.
“You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
You can get arrested for expired tags on your car but not for being in the country illegally.
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You have to have your parents signature to go on a school field trip but not to get an abortion.
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An 80 year old woman can be stripped searched by the TSA but a Muslim woman in a burka is only subject to having her neck and head searched.
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Your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more of our money.
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A seven year old boy can be thrown out of school for calling his teacher “cute” but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly acceptable.
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The Supreme Court of the United States can rule that lower courts cannot display the 10 Commandments in their courtroom, while sitting in front of a display of the 10 Commandments.
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You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
Children are forcibly removed from parents who appropriately discipline them while children of “underprivileged” drug addicts are left to rot in filth infested cesspools of a “home”.”
Come on, Walt. The Founders were completely brilliant. They kept slavery.*
*If that doesn’t bring MFG back he is truly gone forever.
LOL Bitter. You made a good secretary. Expects flowers on bytch day.
Hmmm…should I watch the Sixers or extract my own teeth? Choices, choices…..
What would they do in West Virginia Walt?
“A lot of the moderates pretend to always put the “party first” until they lose anyway.”
For example: The entire Nevada GOP in 2010, Lugar, Castle, Crist, and now Bolling. Oh, and Scozzafava.
That’s it? Flowers on bytch day? You really need to get back up to speed, MD. I thought that post would lead to a good old-fashioned brawl.
Jul – you forgot the COD, Akin, Mourdock, Angle and so on.
It’s a trick question. They don’t have teeth in West Virginia. *
*Maybe I’m really a West Virginian.
Does anyone think we will ever reform the Electoral College by assigning EC votes based on who wins each CD, and giving two EC votes based on who wins the most votes statewide?
Report that Priebus only has 75 votes right now to become chairman short of the number needed at least for now.,
I know you are too busy with all the minutiae of being gov to handle that Bitter so I am going light on you.
Did Lugar ever endorse Murdoch? What a putz if he didn’t.
89
No
MD – You need to remember who Jul is now. He is a Paulbot with an ultimate dream of 99 Democrats and Senator Jul in D.C.
The Nevada GOP in 2010 supported Romney…
Or is it more probable that the EC votes someday will be assigned based on which states have the most abortions performed in them?
Or maybe the number of tatoos or peircings per populace?
91.I know you are too busy with all the minutiae of being gov to handle that Bitter so I am going light on you.
You really came up short with that one. Zing!
I still see DC on fire when I think of Jul. The vision sticks.
What could it mean?
#44 and #45:
The polls that said Romney was ahead were wrong, as we now know. Gallup having him up by 7? That is absolutely absurd. Rasmussen having him up, right up to Election Day? Equally absurd.Not only were they wrong, as many experts tried to tell everyone, but they were impressively wrong.
I like to look at RCP, as well. But, this cycle, TPM, who does the same thing, did a superior job.
The truth of the matter is, since you two like to keep mentioning facts, is that you hung your hats on polling data that was wrong, because you wanted to believe what they said. You were not alone in that. The Romney Campaign did that, also.
“Jul – you forgot the COD, Akin, Mourdock, Angle and so on.”
None of them were “Moderates”.
In each case, the moderate “Establishment” wing of the GOP failed to get behind the nominee.
Akin is a selfish phucknut who should have withdrawn.
I never, ever supported him.
Ran a 5K today in 21:30. Of course it was the treadmill and the incline was broken but, hey, Bitter how is that exercise program coming along?
If anyone sees Marv, tell him to stop sending me all those junk emails about vacationing in Hawaii.
95.The Nevada GOP in 2010 supported Romney…
And between 2008 and 2012, NO STATES SUPPORTED RON PAUL. NONE. ZERO. 0-100!
Yet, you supported Trump who has given 3x the amount to liberals than he has to conservatives.
btw- there is no way Lance Armstrong is going to go on the Oprah show and “beg forgiveness.”
The press is really having pow-wow with that stuff,
“I am not a witch” Christine O’Donnell had no chance regardless of whatever Castle did or did not do.
“I still see DC on fire when I think of Jul. The vision sticks.
What could it mean?”- MD
I see fireworks! I see the pagent and pomp and parade. I hear the bells ringing out! I hear the cannons roar! I see Americans, all Americans, free forevermore!
(Bitter knows what I’m talkin’ ’bout)
The Great One’s daughter:
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/paulina-gretzky.jpg
#103
Nah, there is video from the RNC casting there delegates to Ron Paul for president.
Just type it in youtube.
No Jul. Think the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
The Villanova gym is closed for another week. I went over three times a week to hang out with flat-chested college girls and ride an exercise bike for an hour/12 exercise bike miles. I only had to drink 2 sodas each time to keep my blood sugar high enough to walk home.
109 – why are you not giving me hea) yet?
“Yet, you supported Trump who has given 3x the amount to liberals than he has to conservatives.”
Probably a higher percentage went to “Liberals” (they’re not “liberal” they’re Progressive. John Locke was a Liberal) than went to Conservatives because there are an awful lot of Progressive Rs.
Yeah, I supported Trump because I agreed with what he was campaigning on. I withdrew my support when he came out for Universal Healthcare.
I care little for Party label. I oppose Progressivism and it is rampant in both parties.
try sweetened juice and stop whining.
You oppose sanity and consistency. In that, you are consistent.
108 – Disappointing, MD. Great rack with Gretsky’s face? I’m not sure. Cory would hit it – probably more because of Gretsky’s face than the rack.
“You oppose sanity and consistency. In that, you are consistent.”
A sane man in an insane world must himself appear insane- Kurt Vonnegut
“The Great One’s daughter.”
Mark Levin’s daughter?
Vonnegut would be sickened if he knew you quoted him. You are just plain nuts.
One of Kurt Vonnegut’s I read was awesome. Been a while though.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” ? Ron Paul
“Are you like, a crazy person?”
I’m quite sure they will say so.- V
“Those people will riot.”- azguy
I care little for Party label. I oppose Progressivism and it is rampant in both parties.
That would explain all the Democrats he votes for. Of course, he will pretend that Lehigh Valley Deomocrats are actually hard-core conservatves who make the Heritage Foundation and CLub for Growth look like the faculty lounge at Berkley.
Treason is a charge invented by winners as an excuse for hanging the losers.
Oh, sorry, I thought we were posting dumb quotes.
Slaughterhouse-Five
Jackie Gleason’s daughter?
Let Iran finish what Hitler started – Ron Paul
Brandon,
They absolutely would have. Worked with a black girl during my stint in retail. Talked with her about this. She was raised by a white family and has Conservative views (voted Romney-Ryan)
She said that minorities (blacks and hispanics) absolutely would have rioted if Obama lost.
She’s faced a lot of prejudice from blacks for not being “black enough”.
So she was a “cornball sista”?
I would rather bang a toothless Kensington hooker all day and twice on Sunday than do Chekote – MD*
*I think he said it about Chek. It might have been judyt.
#53:
I have made my views on that subject well known, for several years, here.
I believe it to be a natural phenomenon, being made worse, much worse, by modern technology. And, it is accelerating, as a result.
But the fact that a person would refer to another race as “those people”, is disgusting as is.
Jl talked to one of the 5 black people in Lehigh County and now he’s an expert?
Brandon,
Everyone’s a little bit racist. Blacks just as much as whites. Lots of Hispanics hate whitey and black people.
We fear what’s different and in that, we’re all human.
Tim is entitled to his opinion. Bunu is not. Of course, Bunu has no opinions that he doesn’t suck Ron Paul to get so it is a moot point.
#116
For the record, I would definitely do Paulina Gretzky, and would consider doing Wayne Gretzky. I would never do Janet Gretzky, because I couldn’t do that to Wayne.
“The Great One’s Daughter”
Jackie Gleason?
My heart is pure. I hate just about everybody.
17 – I actually smiled at one of Cory’s posts. Wonders never cease at HHR.
Per 135, we can now guarantee Jul’s next primary opponent will take him out.
Rand to be on Alex Jones around noon tomorrow. Will be good.
Even Glenn Beck thinks Alex Jones is a “crazy person”. Says really all you need to know about Rand.
You mean Rand the porker?
Still hate the troops Bunny? Still calling them war criminals?
I always wonder why Jul even wants to be on the Board. There is no way he has any influence after campaigning against the Republicans and cursing out the Democrats.
“They couldn’t hit an elephant at this distan..[twack]..”
I never listen to Alex Jones. Now I know I don’t have to. Thanks, Bunu.
MD,
Yeah, accusing me of being a racist would go really far in a Republican primary.
All I did in 135 was state the truth.
So now you’re saying Republican Primary voters are racist?
Bitter,
In every campaign since I first ran in 2007, my school board slate has been the one endorsed by the party. This year will be no different.
I’m on that board to get a Conservative majority and put an end to a decade of tax increases.
“So now you’re saying Republican Primary voters are racist?”
Nope, just that when the accusation is thrown, they’re so used to hearing it that they know it’s bollocks.
“I never listen to Alex Jones.”
I do when he’s on Coast to Coast AM.
A lot of what he says makes sense. He’s still bat crap crazy (file that under “Takes one to know one”)
Jul I know hundreds of black people, you think you know african american culture? I took an african american studies class, and I have like 20 black friends. So I hardly call you an expert on African Americans Jul or whatever this stupid conversation you are having.
Jul you have crossed the line you racist, this is what Paulbots do they strip you of being even civil.
“I took an african american studies class”
The fact that they offer this in high school is just a little bit disgusting.
I watched “Cosby” in the 80′s maybe a half a dozen times. I am an expert based on that. I also watched Good Times quite a bit.
Oh Michael… I’m not a racist. I did say everyone’s a little bit racist and that’s true.
We all fear what is different.
I like Jelly Belly jelly beans with beer.
I’m an expert on Ronald Reagan.
I love hot women.
That qualifies me as an expert on JFK.
Jul is showing his true colors now, the class was awesome, rich with history and culture.
Michael says:
January 8, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Jul I know hundreds of black people, you think you know african american culture? I took an african american studies class, and I have like 20 black friends. So I hardly call you an expert on African Americans Jul or whatever this stupid conversation you are having.
-Can someone please take away this kid’s computer? “african american studies class”, r u kidding!!??
Michael says:
January 8, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Jul is showing his true colors now, the class was awesome, rich with history and culture.
-Just show it as part of the history of AMERICA then, you dimwit!
Not the old “I have black friends” line. I literally cringe everytime someone says that.
I wonder if Michael still has enough independent thought left to see how an “African American” studies class is, all by itself, racist in nature.
I truly doubt it.
I like driving at dark, I guess that means I can go be a NASCAR race car driver!!!
I watched Good Times, The Jeffersons, Different Strokes, Sanford and Son and What’s Happenin’. I even watched Gimme a Break (black maid). Add to that my experience watchign Chico and the Man and I am quite an expert on different ethnic groups.
NYCMike, I wouldn’t mind them have the class parts of the history in U.S. History, but class ran so deep that I feel that if a school system wants to teach it they can. I am not saying every school system is required to teach it, I am saying if they want to have it than great if not then that’s fine too. Jul is the one labeling us all as racists as all Paulbots probably would.
We all fear what is different.
Comment by JulStol
I fear Jul since he got the concealed carry permit.
“I like driving at dark, I guess that means I can go be a NASCAR race car driver!!!”
No, but using sentences like “I like driving at dark” is probably a good starting qualifier.
Jul I don’t care what you think, I will have my opinions. What is important is that I aced the class and you are a terrible person.
Welcome Back Kotter – who knew an Italian, a PR, a Jew, and a colored person could all get along?
Personally, I think they made a non-confrontation pact. That way, they would each take a sick day to go over and “hang out” with Mrs. Kotter, while the other 3 would run interference.
Bitter,
Only pieces of paper or home intruders have anything to fear from my firearms.
I also watched MacGyver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu1XNzPTqO0
Give me 3 feet of duct tape, 2 paper clips, goat urine and an orange and I will bring down a building.
Bitter, I picture Jul firing his weapon the first sign of an eerie silence. Probably won’t be long in his household now…
“What is important is that I aced the class”-Lil Mikey
Good for you. You aced a class that teaches that the founding fathers were racists and that we need the Government to make racist white people give reparations to the poor oppressed black people.
“I picture Jul firing his weapon the first sign of an eerie silence.”
Was actually very glad I was armed when drunks started banging on my door during the power outage in October-November of this year.
Nothing says “Go away” like a carbine loaded with 5 rounds of buckshot.
Jul that is not what was taught in that class, all you are doing right now is just exposing yourself for the self-centered bigot that you are.
By the way, they already teach in normal US History that many of the founders were slave holders so nice try.
Bitter, oh I wished Jul would have fired.
I also learned all I needed to know about basketball from The White Shadow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ownJeQaI4_k
I thought my thesis on the non-agression pact between different minorities would get more play. Instead, some 17 year old who should be talking up some cheerleader, or better yet, the school librarian, is telling us about a class where Americans prefer to be separated/categorized by their color.
MD, can you GFY? And go get your shine box, you mental and physical midget.
Was actually very glad I was armed when drunks started banging on my door during the power outage in October-November of this year.
They were probably hot girls from Cedat Crest College looking to party.
Michael,
Go on and do great things. Maybe they will have a Russian-American studies class to teach kids 30 years from now.
Methinks that post #181 will produce a savage explosion from its’ target.
@180 i will say it again, that is not what the class taught at all. It taught the history of African Americans and their movements, it had nothing to do with the present.
“Bitter, oh I wished Jul would have fired.”
Under the Castle Doctrine, I’d have been well within my rights.
Also, yes, lil Mikey, I am “self centered”. Read a little Ayn Rand and learn why that’s a good thing rather than listening to your Collectivist Public School teachers.
I suggest either “Anthem” or “the Virtue of Selfishness” as a starting point.
@182 I wonder why they would show up at Jul’s house?
175 – Jul is an expert on a class he didn’t take? Well, he dropped out of so many after high school, I guess he is used to it. Zing.
By the way, Jul, you should watch The White Shadow. The coach is played by Thomas Jefferson/Ken Howard.
This is why this man is so popular. I can’t even imagine Mitt Romney being this, for lack of a better word, human.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JNnWLFaulg
Jul I am a republican that will vote for every republican except if the democrat is more conservative, hard to find but possible. You on the other hand are a Paulbot who makes no sense on this blog and probably not in the real world either.
Michael,
I’m going to guess you learned about the competing philosophies of the talented 10th vs some of the more radical integration ideas?
I covered a lot of that during my A.P. US History Class. Good class, good material. Just don’t think it should be a seperate class.
I’m not real pleased with a “Spanish for Heritage Speakers” class that we teach in my district. Waste of $ IMO
If we’re going to quote Goodfellas we might as well watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fcWORP7Tl8
191 Jul do what you want in your district, i personally feel that there is a lot of history covered in APUSH since I took it and passed the AP test. I feel that if a school district wants to add on to the teachings of APUSH with other history courses then great. I don’t care what you do, I have only been responding because most of your posts against me have been stupid or racist to some degree.
My first sentence I wrote in the first grade was:
“The is book girl.”
There. There’s an interesting fact about me that you all didn’t know.
Tim – That is the most complete sentence you have ever written. Zing!
“Jul I am a republican that will vote for every republican except if the democrat is more conservative”
I will only vote for Conservative Republicans. If the candidate is a Progressive, I will vote for a 3rd party candidate, a Democrat, or not vote at all (in that race) depending on the circumstances.
I’m not a “PaulBot” (though I am supporting Rand).
I’m a Limited Government Nationalist. (Limited government intervention in citizens every day lives but support hawkish foreign policy).
” don’t care what you do”
Um, I’m living rent-free in your psyche. You attack me every day on this website (even when I’m not around). You post attacks on me, out of context and for no reason.
It’s funny and sad all wrapped in one.
181 – what? No long post filled with meaningless stats that are indecipherable to everyone but you? I am disappointed.
Jul admitted that he supports Rand Paul,
qualifying him in my book as a Paulbot.
Jul says he votes for democrats if the republican isn’t conservative. So Freed wasn’t conservative so lets just vote for liberal Kane? Jul is a strange person, one I believe archeologists and sociologists will have fun trying to understand.
” No long post filled with meaningless stats that are indecipherable to everyone but you? I am disappointed.”
Thought he was talking about me there for a sec
181 – my predictions were much better than yours if if I am a mental midget AUH, what does that make you? Can your answer be in the form of an equation please?
See Bitter? I can still get a reaction. Told you.
I really don’t care Jul, I just attack you for the pleasure of it.
I love history – all branches. I think that there should be a required core of subjects and then students should be encouraged to learn more. AA history? Great. Viking history? Cool. I think US history should encompass more than just the Revolution, the industrial Revolution and a few wars. One of my favorite movies is Glory. Dr. King’s “I have a dream” speech is just as stirring as the Gettysburg Address. It is a magnificent statement on the American Dream (if not the reality).
The Indians did get screwed. They also run profitable casinos. Teach it all.
“So Freed wasn’t conservative so lets just vote for liberal Kane?”
Freed wasn’t a Progressive, but he did come across as a bit of a bully from what I got to see of him. If I could do it over, I’d have voted for him. Didn’t think Kane would be so balls-to-the-wall anti-gun.
A large part of why I voted for her was because she endorsed McCain over Obama in 08.
“Jul is a strange person, one I believe archeologists and sociologists will have fun trying to understand.”
No way. I’m not remotely important or interesting enough to prompt that kind of scrutiny.
We have a women’s professional network at work, a black professional’s network, a gay and lesbian professional’s network at work but no white guys’s professional network. That would be racist and sexist. Every white guy above a certain age has a target on his back unless he has the ivy league education. That is not racist. It is a fact.
Still, we had a good run of 10,000 years so whatever.
Bitter, yes History is great. I like that school systems are creating different classes so students can study as much of this nation’s and the world’s history as possible. You can only learn so much English or French or Science, but History can continue to help you in the long run. Whether learning about your nations history to preparing yourself for which political party you wish to affiliate yourself history is a great subject in general.
205 – Are you f’n kidding me? We TOLD you that very thing during the election.
Jul will elect people more liberal than the people he won’t vote for in order to make the government more conservative? I might as well take up drinking if I am going to try to understand that.
” I just attack you for the pleasure of it.”
That says a lot about you…
Michael – I love history as well. Wait until 2027 when the tapes they had on MLK are released. I hear the man liked to have fun. Should be entertaining. I still agree with his speech. I just wish we would all live up to it. What they are doing now is basically the opposite of what MLK hoped for.
@208 I told you he was self centered.
@211 true, I can’t wait when history classes have to study our history. I just hope I didn’t make it into the books.
MD,
Again, she backed McCain in 08 and the Unions hate her. I had plenty of reason to think she’d be a moderate.
I didn’t endorse her.
I didn’t campaign for her.
My vote wouldn’t have changed the outcome.
Didn’t think Kane would be so balls-to-the-wall anti-gun.
Apparently, Jul didn’t notice the D next to her name in the booth.
BTW – against some very long odds, pulled out my best year ever revenue wise at work. So, was I congratulated? Nope.
This year they changed the rules so that it will be impossible for me to have another year like 12 or 10. Oh well. Again, I had a nice run and saved a few sheckles so no matter what happens I won’t be in the street anytime soon.
@209 you won’t have to take it up, others on the blog already have.
Jul – this little game of you acting irrationally and admitting to it later with the obligatory “I didn’t think…” is getting very old.
@215 the drunk people incident must have occured the night before.
Save it, Jul. You voted for her because you wanted her to go after Corbett as some payback for your ex-girlfriend getting caught. It’s fine. It’s more respectable to say you voted for revenge than pretending you had some high-minded political theory behind it. Say it!
I recommend that you take up drinking the hard stuff for at least 6 months Bitter. It will do you a world of good.
Of course with the heavy drinking, I would advise you to add a serious exercise regimen.
I won’t be in the street anytime soon.
Um, MD, this might be a bad time to bring it up but I’m feeling a little enlarged. Can you call Dr. Coldfinger?
@221 I am taking notes for later on in life.
@223 what the hell?
Did you understand Jul when you were flying with the Goose, MD?
226 – More than I do now. Getting drunk would bring you into his world.
Michael,
in your AA studies class did they cover how the various tribes in Africa were active participants in catching people from other tribes and selling them off to the whites as slaves?
How about the long and storied history of Kwanza?
Have fun, Aholes. I’m getting some dinner with a lady friend.
Job interviews went well today. Hopefully I’ll be once again employed, soon.
Michael – I am going to give you the secret to life. You do not matter to the world. The most you can hope for is a wife and healthy children. You might find a job you love or a job that pays a lot of money. Unless you can throw a curveball and paint the corners, you probably won’t find a job that is both.
By the time you are in your 40s, you are hoping for sex 1-2 times a week (up to 3 if your birthday falls on a Tuesday). You will either die too young or too old. That’s about it.
@228 yes to the first, not too much about Kwanza
Jul is having fun with one of those drunk women.
uh oh. The dreaded comment is awaiting moderation.
@233 what did you say?
Bitter, I am taking more notes
I didn’t misspell fuc++++ the way I intended. Here was the post, now slightly altered:
That’s the way to motivate today’s youths Bitter. Well fuuuckking done!
@236 yeah, I was really motivated for life
Michael,
Friendly advice. Never, ever, hook up with a girl after she’s been drinking.
I never have and I feel it’s been a wise choice.
Let Bitter explain why.
Michael,
This isn’t racist but is reality. Since you are a white guy, I am going to let you in on reality.
A black guy with an IQ 10 points lower than you is smarter than you.
A black woman with an IQ 20 points lower than you is smarter than you.
A lesbian, black woman with an IQ 40 points lower than you, who is fed intravenously, is smarter than you.
Welcome to the world circa, 2013.
Kid, you better get into an Ivy League school.
I keep it real, MD. Wait until I give my welcome to 4th grade softball speech. Those bitches will carry my off on their little shoulders.
Michael,
Friendly advice. Never, ever, hook up with a girl after she’s committed a felony.
I never have and I feel it’s been a wise choice.
Let Jul explain why.
MD, accepted and going to Penn State.
As a fellow alum, allow me to access your future in 1 word:
Screwed
@241 good one
@243 really? What was your degree in?
I can see this place definitely missed me. I take a 2 month break and everyone falls off?
@239 I accepted that.
I never have and I feel it’s been a wise choice.
Let Bitter explain why.
Comment by JulStol
i graduated from college in 1990. Date rape wasn’t invented until 1992. These days, it is probably good advice. Better advice – no intercourse but they can …. until they pass out or vomit. Once they pass out, stop everything and prepare an affidavit.
Finance Michael with a minor in Economics.
Whoever said Layfette vs. Penn would be a good bob game was actually right, tied up 81-81
Hooking up with a drunk girl, especially in college, is a great way to have a conversation about legitimate rape.
I’ll leave it at that.
MD – It wans’t the same without you. We did finally go to that amusement park. We never scheduled it while you were here because you weren’t tall enough to ride the rollercoaster.
@249 I am doing poly sci with a minor in economics. Did the economics help you with getting a job?
I have been on some of the best coasters in the world. Cedar Point in Ohio. Wild.
Somehow, I see you as a kiddie ride kind of guy Bitter.
MD studied Zzzzzzzzzz. Sure, he is rich because of it but I know that the Treaty of Ghent ended the War of 1812.
” no intercourse but they can …. until they pass out or vomit.”
He’s not going to know what that means.
More importantly, I doubt he has the stamina for it to take long enough for them to pass out or the assets to trigger a gag reflex.
@252 of course I wasn’t invited
Michael – No.
Yeah, I know I said I was going to dinner.
She’s cleaning my apartment, then we’re going to dinner. Oh, and she’s paying.
Senator Chico, take note.
@256 nor would I ever believe you would
What were the origins of Japan’s expansionist policies in the mid to late 30′s Bitter.
I is smart tooo.
Somehow, I see you as a kiddie ride kind of guy Bitter.
Comment by MD
Is that a Tom Gordon-style reference?
I did Splash Mountain at Disney World. I liked it. My wife hated it. I can’t ride roller coasters anymore. My eye doctor told me that if I ride a coaster that the pressure will make the vessels in my eyeballs hemmorage.
@258 I am thinking about economics, but I may do business, or finance, because I like banking. I just am drawn to finance, stocks, bonds, derivatives.
Splash Mountain is for pussi+es!
Go to Universal and try the Incredible Hulk coaster. Don’t worry about your eyeballs. They can be replaced.
@262 I can’t ride coasters with loops because I get headaches.
@264 go to Busch gardens Europe and try the Apollo, it is wicked
So Michael, you want to go to the dark side?
Let me make a useful suggestion – become an accountant.
My wife got her degree, went to work, passed the CPA, obtained a MS in Taxation and left her p/t job last year to start her own thing. She is already 90% complete towards her billable goal in 6 months. This was a goal she set for 2 years! In the last 4 days she has turned down 3 job offers.
261 – Japan was obsessed with modernization after the Ruso-Japanese war of 1905 made them a Pacific power. The problem was modernization and becoming a world power requires resources. Lots of resources. Rubber and oil were scarce (although Japan had coal). The Japanese said, “Look at all that stuff in Manchuria.” The rest is history.*
*I didn’t need to google it, lisab.
Finance sucks unless you go to an ivy league school and intern on wall street. Even then, it isn’t like the old days.
@267 accountant and taxation, and if. Can’t do taxes because I don’t have money I could always just be an accountant for any major company.
I went to Universal this summer. Much more adult-oriented with the rides.
In the last 4 days she has turned down 3 job offers.
She didn’t turn down my offer.
Dear Friends and Fellow Virginians,
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I just wanted to thank everyone who has already donated today or in the past weeks and months.
If you haven’t yet, please take 3 minutes to donate $4.50, $45, or even $450 now so we can continue our fight over the next month and a half while the Virginia state legislature is in session!
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Cuccinelli just sent this
Maybe it is diferent at Penn State (MD can chime in):
The lonliest people on campus are freshman guys and sophomore girls. Freshman girls are new and exciting (i.e. stupid). Nobody wants freshman guys – not even freshman girls. By sophomore year, the male students are ready to hit on the next group of freshman girls. Unless you want to play XBox and Playstation until you get carpal tunnel syndrome as a freshman guy, try to talk to the sophomore women. They may be so bored they take pity on you.
” I never have and I feel it’s been a wise choice.
Let Jul explain why.”
The consequences are indeed dastardly.
People end up voting for Onorato for Governor.
Nice sentence structure Bitter but, alas, incomplete.
As with almost everything, it comes back to economics. It is true that Japan lacked natural resources. They would import resources, make products, then sell them. When the depression hit, the U.S. and U.K. hit the Japanese with huge tariffs to buy the resources, then another tariff to sell the end product.
So, Japan looked to expand so that they could guarantee that they would have ready markets for their products. They viewed their actions in Manchuria and other places and their “manifest destiny” and assumed that we would understand given that we had a similar philosophy in our sphere. What they didn’t understand was that their philosophy of acquiring this via conquering the world was already considered to be outdated by the Democracies of the world (OK – except the Brits but they are an exception).
So, we all know the basics of what happened next. They committed atrocities and even fired on us in one case. Then we hit them with an embargo and froze their assets. In their minds, their backs were against the wall and they had no choice but to attack.
The mistake the Japanese made in Pearl was NOT launching the third wave and destroying the dry docks. Then, being stupid with their codes which led to the debacle at Midway.
You see? I don’t get into all the back and forth on this stuff but I might know a thing or 2.
Michael
You do not need money to do people’s taxes. You can make a LOT of money helping people with their taxes.
With that, tonight’s edition of career counseling must come to an end. Good night. I know that I spread joy amongst the blogosphere today. Just ask AUH.
Lafayette 85
Penn 83
Suck it, Quakers.
@275 well I won’t do anything tht leads to me voting for Onorato.
Bitter I will talk to sophomore girls then
” Jul – you forgot the COD, Akin, Mourdock, Angle and so on.”
None of them were “Moderates”.
In each case, the moderate “Establishment” wing of the GOP failed to get behind the nominee.”
I am sorry, but I don’t buy this argument.
These turkeys lost because they were bad candidates, not because of the “establishment”.
The “establishment” has limited resources, and throwing away funds on a loser like COD would have been like throwing money into a bonfire.
@277 good night MD, thank you for the advice. Can’t wait to start my own tax company, HHR Tax Associates
@250 absolutely right, and if Castle got the nomination they wouldn’t have to throw money at him because Castle basically had the win in the bag if he had the nomination.
I was trying to kep it simple, MD.
Just saw the stupid 5 hour energy for the five hundredth time! Does anyone here use that stuff?
Castle was a RINO.
The deadenders are happier with Coons, an avowed Marxist.
They sent Castle a message. The fact he is still rich and famous and gets a fat pension while we pay the consequences is irrelevant.
I take it on long drives if I am tired. Works.
” HHR Tax Associates”
All the taxes are mine. Mine.
The GOP would appear to have learned nothing from November’s heartbreak if they kick the solid moderate conservative Bolling to the curb in favor of that hothead Cuccinelli. First rule in politics: candidates have to be likable. Bolling is… The AG less so.
Everything I foretold here in Nov 2011 re: VA and OH came to pass in Nov 2012…and for my prescience I was villified as a “troll” by most here. LOL…too damn funny!
I like Bolling for Gov. I don’t like that Rocky is back though. He decides to come and post when hardly anyone is here.
Whatever “it” is- politically, Christie seems to have it- we’ll see how his reelection goes. If he wins big- he could be formidable in the primaries on the force of his personality to the rank and file.
” I took an african american studies class”
the day obama was acquitted i was in a lecture hall with maybe 200 people
they showed the verdict as it was read live on the class projector
the african american students in the class literally sprang out of their seats in joy when oj was found not guilty
i think there was a good chance some areas would have rioted in this country had obama lost
Obama was acquitted? When was he tried?
(I know it’s a type-o, still reads funny)
“Never, ever, hook up with a girl after she’s committed a felony.”
committed?
or been convicted?
@293 committed and then convicted
“Did the economics help you with getting a job?”
yeah … that is a super hot degree
@295 really, how did it help you Lisab?
” I am thinking about economics, but I may do business, or finance, because I like banking. I just am drawn to finance, stocks, bonds, derivatives.”
very different animals.
in fact … many econ departments have moved out of business colleges to liberal arts and sciences
also
econ at the graduate level is almost pure math
and by pure i mean theory as opposed to empirical
#290, you spake truth! Christie does have it…”It” bring common sense, plain-spoken moderate conservatism…he’ll win in a walk this year and be our nominee in ’16 if we’re smart (never a sure thing for the GOP)…
“Let me make a useful suggestion – become an accountant.”
noooooooooooooo!
step away from the accounting book
dare to live in the real world
join the army
@297 don’t you just love banking and adjusting interest rates and setting the price for specific assets to be bought at, I know those products are sold from two different kinds of banks. But it’s awesome!
@229 army out of question
@298 Christie or Martinez?
WPA, anyone from PA. How would you feel about Tom Ridge as the GOP candidate?
“I didn’t need to google it, lisab.”
nor would i
4 years of russian studies
japan kicked the russkie butt in 1905
got theirs handed back to them in 1939 at khalkhyn gol
which was zhukov’s first dance
“army out of question”
navy then … best uniforms by far
too bad obama is going for a 100 ship army
302- Tom Ridge’s time would have been in 2000 or as GW’s VP in 2000. He’s quite happy in the private sector apparently. Good guy- good governor. Made a bit too much of a point of being “moderate” on things, but he was big on law and order issues.
100 ship ** navy **
obama — oj
Lisab, true nice uniforms
Chicago Teachers Union President, Karen Lewis
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
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while speaking of the rich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf-N7Fe_Wc4&feature=player_embedded
How about Corbett, any “future” political career if he wins governorship again WPA?
Hey Rockefeller Troll, Cuccinelli is already the R nominee. So Bolling is just a spoiler at this point.
Now GFY.
309- I like him- he’s held the line on spending and balanced the budget since he’s been in without raising taxes despite the huge deficit Rendell left him. Hasn’t screwed up the natural gas boom and let that bronco ride. Expanded the Castle Doctrine – is trying to push the button on a few death row murderers. Hasn’t moved to push through school vouchers or pension reform yet- which should be done. Problem is he isn’t explaining or discussing any of his accomplishments and is taking flak for the Penn State mess- though suing the NCAA might be a good start to getting his popularity back to a good level.
Beyond that though- not sure how he’d do on the national stage. He’s a friendly guy in person, good at retail politics- but beyond that, not sure.
Michael,
ditch economics beyond econ 101 & 102 Micro and Macro
it will not help you with anything except a career in the government
even then, you really need 5 stat classes and several calculus classes to get a good paying job with the feds in an econ job
#310, LOL @ lil’ jason… You’re just pissed because everything I said in Nov 2011 re: VA and OH came to pass… It was Bolling’s time and he allowed Cuccinelli to take it from him..pathetic all the way around!
Christie/Martinez ’16!!!!!
The recall election in Wisconsin pits Republican Gov. Scott Walker versus Democratic Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, in a rematch of their 2010 race. The recall effort was brought about mainly in response to Walker’s plan that restricted collective bargaining rights for public union workers. Today, 52 percent of Wisconsin voters in the early exit polls have a favorable view of unions for government workers, while 43 percent have an unfavorable opinion of these unions. Among voters in unions households (public or not), 69 percent view these unions favorably.
Whaz up
Nothing like 40 degree weather, with rain. Geez……….
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