Deal, Hillary Leads in GA

We have more numbers from Public Policy Polling for the state of Georgia and it shows Nathan Deal leading three potential Democratic challengers for Governor while Hillary would actually lead Marco Rubio, Newt Gingrich and Paul Ryan in a presidential contest in Georgia.

Nathan Deal (R) 48%
John Barrow (D) 38%

Nathan Deal (R) 46%
Jason Carter (D) 38%

Nathan Deal (R) 48%
Kasim Reed (D) 38%

Hillary (D) 51%
Newt Gingrich (R) 44%

Hillary (D) 49%
Marco Rubio (R) 46%

Hillary (D) 50%
Paul Ryan (R) 45%

This poll was done February 15-18 among 602 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 4:50 pm
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354 Responses to “Deal, Hillary Leads in GA”

  1. BayernFan says:


  2. W. PA Observer says:

    I’m sure PPP wants Clinton to run, for sure.

  3. Walt says:

    Dave W,

    Do you mean the first one to be a poll about Governor?

    Or are Ddeal, Barrow, Carter and Reed actual presidential hopefuls?

  4. W. PA Observer says:

    Also Dave, I’m skeptical of any editorials that calls on “RINOS” to do this or that- they usually don’t mean us well.

  5. Walt says:


    I that he was talking about WINOs.

  6. W. PA Observer says:

    Also I’m a firm Buckley-ite in primaries, the most conservative viable candidate.

  7. Brandon says:

    It’s all academic at this point anyway. The US was declared dead on the previous thread.

  8. david says:

    It appears Hillary is well on her way of winning all 50 states. Waiting for PPP do a poll for WY or UT.

  9. W. PA Observer says:

    Reminds me of the Ras – Giuliani or McCain polls in 2005.

  10. Marv says:


    I’ve lost contact with MD and DW. Somebody please them they I’ve completed that secret and dangerous mission and will be available for the next Board meeting.

  11. W. PA Observer says:

    So apparently former Sen Pete Domenici fathered a love child with Sen Paul Laxalt’s daughter around 1980.

  12. DW says:


    I was the one reading last rites over America on the last thread. If what we are seeing going on right now is NOT the end of the USA as we know it, then what would the end look like when it comes?

    Listening to some here, its like we are on the sinking Titanic, and as the degree of listing passes 45 degrees, they are telling me to take heart, after all, its true that 99% of all trans-atlantic voyages reach the other side. They expect at any moment for the ship to right itself and chug on toward NY. I am a realist, and consider it borderline insanity to cling to a false-hope. I mean Obama hasn’t even unleashed his deadly second term agenda on America, and we are talking about recovering the country–we don’t even know the full extent of the damage after another four years.

  13. Marv says:

    #12 DW,

    We made it through the devastation of the War of Northern Aggression. Next time, the outcome will be different…..we have the manufacturing base this time. 😉

  14. Bitterlaw says:

    Anybody who says that this country is finished is a sad, pathetic loser. Cry or fight, mf-ers. You sound like the whiny bitches at DailyKos in 2004 when Bush won. Cry or fight for the country. I choose to fight.

  15. Bitterlaw says:

    Marv – Don’t start wars you can’t finish. Do I have to take book the horse I let you keep?

  16. Bitterlaw says:

    Back. Damn IPad.

  17. Brandon says:

    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor???

  18. Bitterlaw says:

    Brandon – i don’t know why people are upset. In 2004, I read at HHR that the Democrats were finished as a national party.

  19. Bitterlaw says:

    For all those moaning about the death of the country, Malone has a question for you-

  20. Corey says:

    Republicans are in better shape post 2012 than they were post 2008 or Democrats were post 2004.

    The country is not finished and there will be a Republican President again. When all is said and done, I do not think Hillary will run. Regardless, circumstances will be far better for a Republican to win an open race in 2016 than against an incumbent in 2012, to which so many people simply chose to cling to a personal affinity to.

    However, I see no circumstance where Chris Christie will ever be a viable candidate for national office. It is one thing to speculate early about someone who is riding high in the polls in their own state and will (thankfully) likely roll to an easy reelection and it is far different to actually succeed on a national stage.

    Let’s focus on 2013 and 2014 and winning as much as possible, but for the record, Christie as a Presidential candidate would not go well.

  21. Brandon says:

    Your hero, Mitt Romney as a national candidate did not go so well if I recall correctly.

  22. Corey says:

    Mitt Romney received the second most votes for President than any Republican in history. I wish he would have received more, you seem to have another agenda here, but we should be looking towards the future. Be happy you have a Republican Governor in your state to reelect this year. As time goes by, you will see that he is probably not going to seek the Presidency, and would have an extremely hard time gaining any traction if he did.

  23. Rockefeller Republican says:

    #20, and how do you know, Corey? You were ready to have Mitt’s love child and thought he would do well. He didn’t – and Christie will do better than Romney simply because he connects with common folk (many non-Republicans). At least Christie has the balls to seek reelection in a blue state – Mitt did not. Christie’s landlside later this year sets him up nicely to claim the presidential nod in ’16…Rubio, Jindal et al have shown themselves to be pretenders. By ’16, most in the GOP will want a winner more than anythinhg else: that means Christie.

    Christie/Martinez ’16!

  24. Corey says:

    Talking about Mitt Romney at this point is irrelevant. No other Republican in 2012 would have come anywhere close to what he did. He obviously was able to win over a large number of 2008 Obama voters, just not enough of them.

    It is those sort of low information voters who would reject Chris Christie out of hand quite quickly, simply as a matter of optics, and his entire campaign would be overshadowed by questions (both pertinent and not) about his health and ability to both campaign and serve if elected.

    Also, it is one thing for young white males on the East Coast, who are admittedly already conservative leaning to like Christie and his “appeal” as compared to the other sort of people he would need to be viable on a national stage.

  25. Corey says:

    In regards to #23, while I certainly want Chris Christie to be reelected in New Jersey, in regards to his testicular virility, we also have to take into account just how eagerly he was willing to sell out Republicans across the country in the closing stages of a very close Presidential campaign and embrace Barack Obama, in order to better position himself for his next election in his blue state.


  26. W. PA Observer says:

    24- For Christie to get some traction – he’d need a smashing reelection victory, to bring in some more NJ GOP state legislators to give him more leverage at getting his program through– enacting some more GOP-friendly policies. He also needs to lose at least 50-80 pounds, enough to still be “the fat guy” but not the “oh geez is he overweight” guy.

  27. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    “It is those sort of low information voters who would reject Chris Christie out of hand quite quickly”

    -That is another silly statement. Low-info, easily-influenced-by-media voters can identify with a fat guy who talks like them. Romney, even though I liked him more and more towards the end of the campaign, was always a stiff, and is still a stiff. Let’s face it, the guy was rich, handsome, smart, had a pretty wife and good-looking kids, BUT did not drink, smoke, overeat, or look at porn. He must be a Schmuck!

  28. Corey says:

    Fair or not, not even a slightly “fat” guy is going to be elected President in this day and age. Christie is currently about 400 lbs. He is eventually going to need to lose more than just 80 lbs, in order to have a decent quality of life. I hope he does.


  29. W. PA Observer says:

    28- I’d say closer to low-300s than 400.

  30. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    My brother-in-law, who is quite large, and quite well-off, and has been mistaken for Christie-Creme, always looks great when he goes out. All of his suits are custom-made. If Christie gets a new tailor, watch out!

  31. Brandon says:

    Yeah I was going to say that WPA. Highly highly doubt he’s near 400 pounds.

  32. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    He has to stop pulling his pants up to boobies, that look went out with my Grandfather in 1985!

  33. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Corey you argue with generalizations not facts. Christie’s Sandy response did not cause Romney’s defeat. Romney’s pathetic GOTV and 47 perecent comment which laid bare his fatal flaw to connect with commom folk and be likable.

    Stop the mindless Christie-hating and rationalizations re: Romney.

    The only winning ticket: Christie/Martinez ’16! Deal with it.

  34. SoHope says:

    Rocky Rep, you are fooling nobody

  35. Rockefeller Republican says:

    Neither are you, #34. You give tedium a bad name.

    Christie/Martinez ’16!

  36. AuH2ORepublican says:

    “8. The South didn’t even have popular votes for the presidential election during Nixon-Kennedy. That’s why Nixon lost the popular in 1960.

    I think Caucuses are a form of democracy.

    Comment by Tulipomania — February 20, 2013 @ 1:21 pm”


    Bunu, you ignorant slut. The last state not to have a popular vote for president was Colorado in 1876 (because the election would take place like a month after it became a state so the state legislature appointed the electors, which is how every state did it prior to 1824 and how SC did it until the Civil War).

    Every Southern state had a popular vote in 1960. What your fellow mouth-breathing Paulistinians must have told you, and which you promptly misinterpreted, was that in 1960 the 11 Democrat presidential electors in Alabama included 5 electors who were loyal to Kennedy and 6 who were not pledged to Kennedy; the latter ultimately voted for segregationist Democrat Senator Harry F. Byrd of VA, who also received voted from the winning slate of Unpledged Democrat electors from Mississippi (where voters could vote for Kennedy, Nixon or “Unpledged Democrat electors,” and the unpledged Democrat electors won a plurality).

    The “Kennedy didn’t really win the popular vote” theory comes from allocating 6/11ths of the Alabama popular vote for Kennedy to “unpledged electors,” leaving Kennedy with only 5/11ths of the votes from Alabama that he actually got and thus allowing Nixon to win the national popular vote. But calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it so, and Kennedy actually received those votes in Alabama.

    In any event, not only was your statement that “The South didn’t even have popular votes for the presidential election during Nixon-Kennedy” 100% wrong, but it is particularly silly for you to mention that election as evidence for a caucus-type system being used to elect presidential electors, since not only were the presidential electors elected by the popular vote in each state, but the Democrat electors in Alabama got on the presidential ballot *because of the popular vote during a primary*. So STFU, Bunu.

    And as for your statement that “Caucuses are a form of democracy,” maybe so. But caucuses are a particularly bad form of democracy, since they don’t give large groups of otherwise engaged citizens to participate (since one has to show up somewhere at 7 p.m. and sit around for 3 hours while Paultards give speeches in order to cast a freaking vote, which isn’t practical for people who work at night or have to take care of kids). And, more to the point, L. RON PAUL HAS LOST ALL CAUCUSES IN WHICH HE’S EVER PARTICIPATED. Paulistinians are only good at stealing elections, such as when they show up at state conventions pretending to be Romney or Santorum delegates and then casting their votes for L. Ron Paul. So, Bunu, don’t pretend to like caucuses, since even in that format Paultards haven’t been able to game the system and give their decrepit old traitor a win.

    In other words, STFU, Bunu.

  37. Brandon says:

    Seems like Rick Scott is going to accept the Medicaid expansion as well.

  38. SoHope says:

    AuH2O, but he lost…”LIKE A BOSS!”

  39. John C. Fremont Republican says:

    I agree…SoHope is fooling nobody…Rocky, we are the future of America!!!

  40. Waingro says:

    As I said before, PPP really REALLY wants Hillary to run.

  41. W. PA Observer says:

    41- If she doesn’t, they’ve got some major problems on hand to deal with, considering their bench.

  42. Waingro says:

    #20, I think he runs in ’16 but won’t win the GOP primary. I just want to keep Christie and his backers happy.

    As such, what I don’t want is for him to be too castigated that he runs as an indy and/or becomes a MSM darling blasting away every night at the GOP in the months leading up to the general.

    I couled easily see that happening. If he goes away, it needs to be QUIETLY.

    That being said I would prefer to use his ability be a great resource for the campaign, and I wouldn’t be against him being on the ticket. (Unless Hillary runs–where we’ll probably need to put a woman on).

  43. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    Brandon says:
    February 20, 2013 at 7:36 pm
    Seems like Rick Scott is going to accept the Medicaid expansion as well.

    -what is the rationale for all of these Republican governors doing this? Won’t the state eventually be responsible for a lot more funding than it will at the start?

  44. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    If Christie wins re-election in NJ, and keeps taxes and spending at the same level or lower, who will have a better resume than him to show off come 2016??

  45. Bran Done says:

    more Christie BJs please! Ditto PPP!

  46. Bran Done says:

    How fun was it to see Romney lose! Your hero lost! Now it’s Christie time!

  47. Bran Done says:

    I’m a Republican, even though 90%+ of my posts is getting gleeful about any bad news about them. Unless it’s about my boyfriend Christie…

  48. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    Uh-oh, I may be called a Brandon-bot now, since I posted some comments in favor of Christie-Kreme. Imagine if you’re a Democrat, no one on that side of the aisle has a resume like Romney, Christie, McDonnell, Scott Walker, etc, but they’ll win anyway, simply because our side has several different factions and the candidate must be pure for each one of those factions. It would be great to be a moocher, other than that relying on others you need to deal with. But, if you have your Xbox and your contraception, what else does one need these days??

  49. Bitterlaw says:

    36 – I’m calling the fight.

    Down goes Bunu! Down goes Bunu!

  50. Bitterlaw says:


  51. Bitterlaw says:

    Wow. When Michael left he forced us to struggle to get to 100 posts.

  52. W. PA Observer says:

    52- Well that and the lack of polls that aren’t PPP’s. (The quin ones get some response).

  53. Bitterlaw says:

    WPA- Sheetz sucks.

  54. W. PA Observer says:

    54- Consider the gauntlet thrown. I will say that Wawa is better than QuickChek however.

  55. Bitterlaw says:

    I am not familiar with QuickChek. WaWa is filled with MILFs. Sheetz is filled with the cast of Teen Mom and people not smart enough to get on Jersey Shore.

  56. Bitterlaw says:

    I coached my son’s team tonight. They were down 57-55 with 8 seconds to go. My son had made 5 three pointers in the game. Instead of driving for 2 to tie, he pulled up and missed a 3. He said he was going for the. Should i be happy or annoyed he didn’t play for overtime?

    MD can now tell us his BMI.

  57. Bitterlaw says:

    The Bobcats lost to run their record to 13-41. I’m sure Michael would want us to know.

  58. Cory says:

    Unless he had a clear lane to the basket, I think the three is the right play.

  59. Bitterlaw says:

    It wasn’t clear but he could have been fouled or made it. It was probably bad coaching.

  60. Bitterlaw says:

    The US has only killed 4700 with drones? Pick up the psce, damn it. We should be at 6500 at least.

  61. Walt says:

    I dunno.

    Believe me I have search and scanned the horizon very hard. I see no relief from the wrong track that we are on.

    I want to believe and have faith that good will prevail. But there is no imperical evidence that that will happen.

    Look at the chess pieces on the board and where they are. And the rules we have to play by compared to a different set of rules by the other side.

    Consider condition of government now vs. 5-10-20 years ago regarding everything government(unchallenged power of the presidency/no budget for years/gridlocked congress/SC on last legs age-wise and barely tilted to right), gov’t takeover of economy and crony capitalism becoming the accepted norm, collapse of objective media, current mindless low info voters who want ‘free’ gov’t goodies, lack of understanding of average person regarding government, civics, economics, world dynamics, moral fiber of the culture unravelling. I cannot name one key component of our culture (education system, the family unit, etc.) that is not in ‘fail mode’ except the military and it looks like that will be gone soon.

    Sad to say, I agree with DW’s take that we have passed the point where we can lift American back to being the special place it once was.

    Sad too because I have worked hard and lived my life to do my part to prevent the decline of America. The biggest shock is how quickly the decline started and the ever increasing speed as the ball rolls downhill.

    Does not mean I will not continue to fight against the insanity that is destroying America every step of the way. Together we might at times find enough unity to plateau out for a short time before the forces of evil push the ball enough to start its next run downhill.

    If I did not search out for something to make me laugh each day, they would have to haul me off to the loony bin.

  62. Bitterlaw says:

    Look on the bright side, Walt. You will die in the next 30 years.

  63. Walt says:


    True story. From the time I was teen, I said I was going to live to be 85. I said I wanted to live long enough to irritate the hell out of people who would cause me grief throughout my life.

    I doubt I will make it to 85 and will probably stroke out or something. That’s ok by me. I’ll check out when the man upstairs decides it is my time to check out.

    Would be nice when I go to feel I had passed the baton on to my offspring who would then be better positioned at that time than me to move things up another peg. And would be some added comfort to leave my country a better place than it was when I added my hands to the reins.

    I am not confident that either one of those things will occur when I kick the bucket.

    Perhaps the good Lord will allow me enough years to see those two things happen. Perhaps not.
    Can you tell I went to another Wednesday Lenten service that was a fine service with a good message, but left me still despondent? That is unusual for me.

  64. ??????? says:


  65. Mike says:

    Reject Chris Christie and mark my words, he will bolt and run third party. And He’ll get my vote. And I’ve voted straight ticket R since I started voting in 2002.

  66. ?????????? says:


  67. Tim says:

    Only the question mark guy knows……….

  68. Tim says:

    If Clinton runs, Ga. will be a battleground state. And, I believe she’ll win this state. She and Bill were popular, down here.

  69. Tulipomania says:

    Reject Christie for president?

    I doubt the libertarians or constitution party would want that guy (although he might be an improvement over Bob Barr)

  70. Tim says:

    I see that DW had another Evangelical meltdown on the previous thread. So happy I missed that.

  71. Tulipomanai says:

    Ted Cruz heads to Ohio ahead of presidential run.

    This guy is a big step up from Marco Rubio although I remained convinced we have Iowa locked down for Rand, and Rand can finish on top no matter who else enters the presidential race.

  72. SoHope says:

    Bunu, go sodomize yourself with a cricket bat.

  73. SoHope says:

    The presidential debate commission just admitted they made a mistake selecting Candy Crowley….she had Obama at her wedding and made it clear she refused to follow the rules given to here…..uh yeah they made a “mistake”

    bet it won’t be the last they admit to long after an election.

  74. DW says:

    72 – no meltdown at all, Just looking at reality. Also, I was the first to call Dolan for pope, and now its gaining steam it seems:

  75. SoHope says:

    I still doubt an American is elected pope anytime soon….plus hasn’t he only been a cardinal little over a year?

  76. Marco Rubio says:

    “Bunu, go sodomize yourself with a cricket bat.”

    vote for me over Brandon’s boyfriend and I can make that happen

  77. Bitterlaw says:

    The fact that Bunu likes Cruz is very depressing. I guess I will have to hate Cruz now. It’s a shame.

  78. Marco Rubio says:

    “The fact that Bunu likes Cruz is very depressing.”

    but he hates me, vote for me

  79. Tulipomania says:

    Actually I just realized Cruz was born in Canada…

    So much for that dailycaller article

  80. Tulipomania says:


    Cruz on eligibility for president

    “I’m something that’s not supposed to exist. A Hispanic Republican,” he said.
    While some critics contend that Cruz is not eligible to run for president since he was born in Canada, he has asserted that doesn’t preclude him from the office.
    “The Constitution requires that one be a natural-born citizen, and my mother was a U.S. citizen when I was born,” he told The New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza.
    After offering a trove of critiques and advice, Cruz closed by offering a glimmer of encouragement for his audience.

  81. Tulipomania says:

    Cruz is an interesting fellow.

    I think he has a much better chance at the WH than Rubio.

  82. Marco Rubio says:

    “I think he has a much better chance at the WH than Rubio.”

    I have a better chance then your hero, Mr. 0-100 you prick. Oh and Rick freaking Santorum has a better shot at the WH then Ron Paul

  83. Tulipomania says:

    As a member of the Homo Neanderthalensis, Santorum may not be eligible for president.

  84. Bitterlaw says:

    2236 is Ron Paul X country!

  85. Tulipomania says:

    Ashley Judd Takes Further Steps Toward Kentucky Senate Run With Key Meetings

    Politico reports that Judd sat down with officials from the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee for a private meeting in Washington, D.C. earlier this week. A source told Politico that it was her first official meeting with the DSCC since expressing interest in challenging Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), and a strong sign that she was serious about laying the groundwork for a 2014 campaign.

  86. Bunu says:

    guys accept me! accept me! I got links! I got links!

  87. History says:

    “I remained convinced we have Iowa locked down for Rand,”

    It was locked down for Ron Paul too.

    I have searched my records and can find no Ron Paul win.

    But as they say, I am what I am.

  88. Iowa says:

    ““I remained convinced we have Iowa locked down for Rand,””

    yeah you also said we were Ron Paul country even though our Republican primary voters rejected him twice

  89. Tulipomania says:

    Checking out Lebron’s numbers from last night.

    His PER is now 31.50 quickly approaching Michael Jordan’s best regular season performance ever.

    I would argue Lebron’s season is already as good or better since PER as a statistic tends to reward production\lots of shots rather than efficiency.

  90. Hotler says:


    I like the cut of your jib

  91. Hitler says:


    I like the cut of your jib…

  92. Phil says:

    Nate Silver says Republicans could possibly pick up 4 senate seats in 2014.

    Surprisingly good news. Of course, we’d need 6 to get the senate and that ain’t happening.

    He also said Republicans could screw it up with primary challenges from unelectable candidates – Miller in Alaska, King in Iowa, some nutjob primary challenger in West Virginia. Doesn’t think Judd is the great candidate Democrats seem to think she is especially for a state like Kentucky.

    Says Baucus will have some trouble in Montana. I’ll believe that one when I see it given the bomb of a campaign Republicans ran in that state in 2012.

    I’m going to say we win back maybe two seats.

    Silver knows what he is doing. So does Jensen with PPP. They made a believer out of me in 2012. Proof is in the pudding. Jensen is a hack BTW, but his polling was absolutely accurate in 2012 unlike Rasmussen and Romney’s pollster.

    Lets just hope we can keep the House. Obama in control of both houses 2015-2016 would be horrible for the direction of the country. Could do unbelievable damage to the USA.

  93. Josef Goebbels says:

    More links, more links!

  94. 17 year old high school girls says:

    Please take Little Mikey back, he is too much for us!

  95. jason says:

    76. You should have bet when I told you the odds…

  96. jason says:

    ” she had Obama at her wedding”

    Candy found a husband???

    Bunu, there is hope for you.

  97. MD says:

    We have turned the corner as a country and now have a majority who are dependent upon the government for their bread. The worse part is that it is now institutionalized and accepted. The Reagan years were merely a pause in that trend as it turns out, the pause lasted a while though well after he was out of office. What we are seeing now is the longer term trend back in play. Yes, it sucks. At least France is now to the left of us again.

  98. jason says:

    ” Jensen is a hack BTW, but his polling was absolutely accurate in 2012 unlike Rasmussen and Romney’s pollster.”

    No it wasn’t. We have been over this before. He had a lot of agenda driven polls all year, but at the end he tries to nail it and that is all everyone remembers.

    Here is one example, there are dozens.

  99. Bitterlaw says:

    MD – I posted a youth sports updaye last night. You are entitled to post your BMI in response.

  100. jason says:

    However, on November 5, he is already showing “Heller slightly ahead” (which was the actual outcome), although still coming up with theories on how Berkeley would win.

    “The greater intrigue in Nevada will be the Senate race where we find Dean Heller leading Shelley Berkley 48/46 with Independent American Party candidate David Lory VanderBeek at 4%. VanderBeek seems to mostly be pulling from Berkley- his supporters are voting for Obama by a 56/27 margin. There is one good sign in the poll for Berkley that speaks to the potential for an upset. Among early voters she’s leading 52/44, running only three points behind Obama’s 55/44 standing.”

    Berkeley in fact trailed Obama by 8, a huge difference from the “only 3”.

  101. Phil says:

    I was referring to his final polls. He got all the swing state polls right. You know, the states Ras and Romney’s pollsters had as ossups. They weren’t.

    Iowa was won comfortably by Obama by 5. Colorado by 5. Virginia by 4. Wisconsin by 7. The list goes on.

    NC was supposed to be a fairly comfortable Romney win. PPP had the final margin at 2 – exactly right.

    I don’t like Jensen, but he’s just reflecting the Democratic majority which unfortunately exists in our nation of takers.

  102. jason says:

    PPP has an interest in doing well in the final polls because that is what gets reported. Their actual ranking ended up being somewhere in the middle for the 2012. Even Silverhack only ranked them 16/25.

    And you have your facts wrong on NC. The RCP average was Romney +3 he won by 2. And PPP’s final poll was a tie, not Romney +2.

  103. Bitterlaw says:

    My doctor told me that my BMI is better than the BMI of a stick of butter. I think that is a good sign.

  104. jason says:


    Glenn Greenwald:

    “I wonder: does someone who goes from being an Obama White House spokesman and Obama campaign official to being an MSNBC contributor even notice that they changed jobs?”

  105. Phil says:

    The fact is, PPP and Silver have a handle on the state of play of the parties in America.

    I don’t like it, but it’s a fact. I would love to believe that RAS was right and it was even steven in 2012.

    It wasn’t. Obama by five million votes nationally. Republicans spent a billion bucks to beat Obama and it got them nothing. Well, that’s not exactly true – it got them two normally red states Mo and NC (barely). Big deal.

    You are right about NC but what I said stands regarding all the other “swing” states is (unfortunately) true.

    Hope for retention of the house. It’s all we’re going to get in 2014. Beyond that, 2016 and beyond, it’s bleak.

  106. Little Mikey says:

    Bobcats are #1

  107. AuH2ORepublican says:

    #63, Bunu, you didn’t notice that the article you posted said *exactly* what I said regarding the 1960 presidential election in Alabama–that the 11 Democrat electors were split between 5 Kennedy “loyalists” and 6 “unpledged” Democrats, and had been nominated in a statewide primary vote–and by no means said that there wasn’t a popular vote for president? Here are the money grafs:

    “But Alabama did something very, very different. At the time, voters there did not cast ballots for Democratic or Republicans tickets. Instead, they cast 11 votes, one for each elector from the state. Thus, it was possible to cast six votes for Republican electors, and five votes for Democratic electors, if one so chose.

    Those electors had been selected by the parties in the primary. In the 1960 Alabama Democratic primary, 24 electors ran as unpledged, refusing to be bound by the decision of the Democratic convention. They faced off against 11 “loyalist” candidates, who agreed to accept the national candidate. This actually gave the loyalist forces an advantage; there were 11 slots in the Democratic slate, so the odds were greater that the unpledged electors would lose out by having their votes divided too many ways.

    But after an election, an extremely close run-off, and a re-count, unpledged electors claimed six of the 11 slots for the Democrats, while loyal electors were awarded the remaining five slots.

    In the fall, all 11 Democratic electors defeated the Republican electors. As promised, the five loyal electors eventually cast their ballots for Kennedy. As they suggested they would, the unpledged electors joined their Mississippi neighbors in voting for Byrd.”

    So Bunu, thank you for providing documentation for what I wrote from memory. I was going to ask for you to post more stuff in order to sink your argument even further, but instead I think I’ll just ask you to STFU.

  108. Phil says:

    Richard Shelby says he will support Hagel now. His rationale? “He’s the best we’re likely to get”.

    Wonderful. Can you imagine a member of the Democratic senatorial caucus throwing in the towel like that? It never happens.

    Democrats don’t concede a thing – and they win. Our side? A focking joke.

  109. Bayernfan says:

    Rubio comes off as much too young and green. He is somewhat vacuous as well. I don’t think he comes within a sniff of the nomination.

    Rand Paul will do much better, IMO. He seems to be more serious and savvy. I live how he needles Obama and his histrionics. He bears watching.

    I don’t know much else about cruz or anyone else. Except Christie. He is simply too far and can’t sustain a national campaign. He won’t run.

    And McConnell better take Ashley judd seriously.

  110. jason says:

    ” The fact is, PPP and Silver have a handle on the state of play of the parties in America.”

    Oh please, what a crock.

    Silver and Jensen are political hacks, one works for the NYT and the other for Daily Kos. They have an agenda, they work towards it, sometimes it works out. They are part of the liberal inteligentsia and MSM that unfortunately IS influential.

    Silver and Jensen will always show Democrats in a good light whether it’s true or not.

    If you keep that in mind you might not get hysterical.

  111. jason says:

    Bayern belongs to the PPP school of politics.

    As long as the Republicans can nominate losers the Dems will be winners.

    Rand Paul will do better with whom? I would never vote for him, neither would many mainstream Rs.

  112. jason says:

    ” And McConnell better take Ashley judd seriously.”


  113. Wobbie says:

    “And McConnell better take Ashley Judd seriously.”

    this guy has turned out to be a great disciple

  114. Phil says:

    Who they work for has nothing to do with their 2012 forecasts. You could say that if they had been wrong. They weren’t. A little detail you seem to want to gloss over.

    I’m not hysterical BTW. I’m resigned. Relax and just enjoy the rape. Given the demographic trends, it ain’t getting any better.

  115. jason says:

    ” Rubio comes off as much too young and green.”

    Hello? Rubio was elected at age 28 to the FL House and served 4 terms. He was House Majority Leader and became the first Cuban American to become Speaker of the Florida House.

    Much more impressive than Rand Paul’s two years in the Senate, in which he has accomplished nothing.

  116. Phil says:

    Yeah, glad we didn’t take Al Franken seriously. LOL

  117. PPP & Silver says:

    “A little detail you seem to want to gloss over.”

    just don’t mention our 2010 screw-ups and last second trend to the GOP after months of claiming there would be no wave then

  118. Wobbie says:

    Bunu got 1 & 1/2 converts. I have Bayern, Phil, and DW. I’m better at this then Bunu.

  119. jason says:

    ” Who they work for has nothing to do with their 2012 forecasts.”

    I nominate this for the stupidest post of the week.

    But we are only on Thursday.

  120. jason says:

    Al Franken was in deep blue MN and he didn’t actually get the most votes.

    Horrible comparison with KY and McConnell vs Judd.

  121. Phil says:

    I’ve said before we will at least be competitive in off year elections when the minority and low information voters don’t show up in nearly the numbers as in presidential years.

    That too will fade over time as more and more anchor babies turn 18 and vote Democratic. At some point the math just gets overwhelming.

  122. Tim says:

    Looks like Baucus might be vulnerable. He needs a frontline opponent, though.

  123. Tim says:


  124. Phil says:

    Hey, who would have predicted we’d blow red state opportunies in red state Mo, ND, and Montana?

    Lefty senator in Alaska. Red states don’t guarantee anything any longer.

  125. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    Rand Paul will do better with whom? I would never vote for him, neither would many mainstream Rs.

    -Here we go again. Of course he won’t support the Democrat, but he’ll take his ball and go home. Even though the Senator from Kentucky has been fighting against Hagel, against Kerry, against Hillary (who is not a friend of Israel, she supports Obama), etc. Of course, they’ll blame the dead-enders all day, but if Rand Paul wins the nomination fair and square, jason will not vote for him, even though the primaries are designed to get wide support for the candidate. Now, who is the dead-ender?? Is he Little Mikey in disguise, saying “I won’t vote for Rand Paul in the general election, if he wins the Republican nomination, because he cheated by getting more votes than the other entrants!!”?? He is no better than the Ron-Paul-bots who take their balls and go home when Ron goes 0-100!!

  126. Fil says:

    it’s over! over! we’ll never win again!

  127. Phil says:

    Hey Tim, is the war hero going to run in Georgia?

    Jensen seems to be pushing him.

  128. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    jason says:
    February 21, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    ” And McConnell better take Ashley judd seriously.”


    -If the last election showed us anything, it is that every race must be taken serious.

  129. Tulipomania says:

    #114 see post #86 for all your need to know about Cruz.

    And is far more accomplished then Rubio. Being a senate leader normally means you’re trading horses and playing inside baseball.

    Rubio was broke before he went into politics so that’s how he got rich.

    Rand was already well off on his own.

  130. Tulipomania says:


    Gonna have a lot of converts as Rand gets closer to the nomination.

  131. Tulipomania says:

    Jason you should be rooting for Cruz. He’s about the only “mainstream” republican that has enough merit to take on Rand in 2016.

  132. Fil says:

    “Gonna have a lot of converts as Rand gets closer to the nomination.”

    that’s even more laughable then my doom and gloom posts!

  133. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:


    You are no better, since if Rubio wins in the primaries, you and your ilk will go home, and let the Democrat win.

    If it is Rubio, or Rand, or Cruz, or Christie, or whomever, if Republican/libertarian/Conservative voters can’t accept someone that is less than 100% in agreement with them, then none of us win.

  134. jason says:

    ” That too will fade over time as more and more anchor babies turn 18 and vote Democratic”


    We were all 18 once, remember.

    In the 60’s the SDS ruled the campuses. All students were hippies and commies.

    Some grew up.

  135. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    My theory must be true, that the Tulip/Emerica/Bunu character must really be a person who hates the Paul family, because all he does is create a deep dislike for his supposed preferred candidate, Ron or Rand.

    Brilliant on his part, you are doing a great job!

  136. Tulipomania says:


    No one can win anyway. We lost huge with Reagan. We lost quadruple with Bush.

    I’m not sure what this “winning” stuff is about unless it’s just about team GOP lawmakers enriching their buddies and themselves.

  137. Tulipomania says:

    O and btw…we lose with Rand Paul too, but he’s the best we’ve got.

    We could have won with Ron Paul, but he’s likely not going to run again unfortunately.

  138. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil mocks the service record of a man who gave 3 limbs in the service of his country. Cleland is a leftist and I don’t support his views or his votes but calling him a fake war hero is disgraceful.

  139. jason says:

    I could live with Cruz, even if Bunu likes him. But Cruz is not going to be running this time around.

    The only “Republicans” I would never vote for are Ron and Rand Paul because they are too far from the mainstream when it comes to foreign policy and the military and defense.

    So NYC, nice try in comparing me to Bunu, but you have to remember that Bunu will ONLY vote for Rand Paul.

    I will vote for Christie, Ryan, Rubio, Cruz, Rice, Jindal, Gingrich, Pawlenty, Palin, you name it, winners and losers.

  140. jason says:

    ” We could have won with Ron Paul, ”

    What a lucky guy.

    Loses 150 primaries in a row, but when it comes to the Presidential race, bingo.


  141. Tulipomania says:

    Actually I just said I’m voting for him the primary.

    Not the general. That depends on who’s running although the C\L party tends to not put the most inspiring candidates out there.

    I would go with Rand over Gary Johnson if it were something like that.

  142. Bitterlaw says:

    We could have won with Ron Paul, but he’s likely not going to run again unfortunately.

    I want to submit my nomination for dumbest post of the week. Ron Paul received about 10% of the GOP vote in Primaries and Caucuses but he was going to beat Obama? Wow.

  143. jason says:

    ” We lost huge with Reagan. We lost quadruple with Bush.”

    Heh, NYC and Bayern, you really want to support the same candidate as Bunu?

  144. Bitterlaw says:

    The race for dumbest post ofthe week is going to be close. So far, Bunu is dominating the nominations.

  145. jason says:

    ” Not the general. ”

    Ok NYC, I was wrong.

    Rand Paul not only does not get my vote, he might not even get Bunu’s…..

  146. Bayernfan says:

    I meant rand will do much better than Rubio imho. He comes off as more serious, more savvy, and better organized. And yes, Rubio COMES OFF as a too earnest greenbean.

    We will see. It’s 3 years away.

    In 1977 most folks figured Reagan was done. He was certainly viewed as an anachronism. Outside the establishment mainstream and bring no threat to the established order of things.

    For me, and I only speak for me, Rand Paul is impressive. For now.

  147. Bayernfan says:

    McConnell was barely reelected in 2008. His reelection is by no means a guarantee. Ashley Judd has name recognition, is smart and personable, and will have ton$ of ca$h.

  148. jason says:

    I still have to go with this one for the dumbest:

    “Who they work for has nothing to do with their 2012 forecasts.”

  149. Phil says:

    In the 60s the SDS ruled the campuses. Really?

    Yeah, young Hispanics will just vote D because they’re young. That’s it. It’s a youth thing. The older Hispanic voters mostly voted different and went for Romney. Yeah, that’s it. Whatever rationalization that makes you feel better true or not.

    I admire your optimism based on, well, nothing. Ignore voting patterns and demographic trends. They are irrelovent.

    I’ll just leave you with this. Reagan beat Carter by 20 points among whites on his way to a landslide. Romney beat Obama by 20 points among whites – and lost by five million votes. The caucasion vote continues shrink every election. Do the math or don’t do it.

    Keep yawning.

  150. Tulipomania says:

    “We could have won with Ron Paul, but he’s likely not going to run again unfortunately.”

    That’s not what I meant. I meant “win” in the sense of advancing conservatism whereas the others will grow government.

    But ya I do think he was the best candidate for the general on that note as well.

  151. Phil says:

    I said who they worked for had NOTHING to do with their forecasts. How do I know? BECAUSE THEY WERE CORRECT. Did you see a different set of election returns than I did?

    It’s irrelovent who the hell they worked for.

    The point is they were on the money.

  152. Bayernfan says:

    I guess I don’t understand the Rand hate here. 3 years ago 75% of this forum supported him over Grayson. I suppose I’m not the only bipolar who posts here, lol

  153. Tulipomania says:

    Cruz knows how to run a crowd.

    Everyone should watch post #86.

  154. Bitterlaw says:

    I could not care less if America becomes less white or more whatever else. America used to be exclusively Protestant except for a few troublemakers in PA and MD. Then, the Catholics ruined everything in the 1840s. Then the Jews showed up. Other groups follow. Zzzzzzzz I can’t imagine seeing only groups and not people. Sad.

  155. jason says:

    Bayern what’s more impressive about Rand Paul?

    – His view that Iran is not a threat and his vote against the resolution on Iran having nukes

    – His blowback theory that we are responsible for 9/11

    – His proposal to cut off military aid to our only ally in the Middle East.

    – His belief that American terrorists on foreign should be “brought to trial” rather than killed in drone strikes.

    – His opposition to the Patriot Act

  156. jason says:

    ” 3 years ago 75% of this forum supported him over Grayson. ”

    Not me.

    I warned this was a mistake then. Look it up.

  157. jason says:

    ” The point is they were on the money.”

    Joseph Goebbels

    “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. ”

  158. Mitch McConell says:

    “McConnell was barely reelected in 2008.”

    I got 53% of the vote you prick, I wouldn’t call that “barely re-elected”

  159. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:


    My theory must be true, that the Tulip/Emerica/Bunu character must really be a person who hates the Paul family, because all he does is create a deep dislike for his supposed preferred candidate, Ron or Rand.

    Brilliant on his part, you are doing a great job!

  160. Phil says:

    They WERE on the money. Maybe I misread the election returns.

    How’s President Romney doing with his cabinet selections and how about that Republican senate?


    On that note, I think I’ll go watch some golf.

  161. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    jason says:
    February 21, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    ” 3 years ago 75% of this forum supported him over Grayson. ”

    Not me.

    I warned this was a mistake then. Look it up.

    -jason would rather have someone in the oval office who would nominate people like Chuck Hagel. Rand Paul hates Israel, so he must support Hagel….oops, logic is not jason’s strong point. He’ll keep repeating “just like his father, just like his father” as if the world is wonderful the way it is right now. The world is a pit, no Paul has been in a position of influence regarding foreign policy, yet jason and others know Rand Paul will be worse. What a joke! Worse than Obama and Hagel, worse than Jimmy Carter, worse than Clinton bombing a vitamin factory.

  162. jason says:

    Phil, I am no optimist. I think we have become a nation where too many people are dependent on government or comfortable with the nanny state.

    But I don’t blame demographics.

    Wisconsin is 89% white. MN is 87%. NH is 95% white. PA 84%. VT 95%. Maine 96%.

    All these states went for Obama.

  163. jason says:

    “no Paul has been in a position of influence regarding foreign policy, yet jason and others know Rand Paul will be worse.”



    But I am a genius. When Obama said he wanted to raise taxes I knew that would be worse too.

  164. Bayernfan says:

    Those aren’t true Jason.

    Paul knows that a military strike on Iran will never happen, and he supports containment basically. I
    Have never seen that he would not support Israel. Just the opposite in fact. His trip there was a success. Lots of people oppose the patriot act. The use of drones to kill Americans anywhere is, and should be, very troubling to a free people who wish to be governed by law and not men.

    I find him impressive right now because of the way he is calling Obama and the GOP out on the ridiculous issue of the so called looming disaster of the sequester. They are not cuts, and Obama IS engaging in histrionics. I think he comes across very well.

  165. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – You have said that you want Rand Paul in the Senate and not in the White House. Then, you defend Rand again and again. If Rand is not your choice for President, why do you care if others also don’t want him to be President?

  166. jason says:

    Wow, should I be changing my mind on Cruz?

    Bunu has posted several links to Cruz.

    So I will too.

    ” In a campaign statement flagged by The American Conservative’s Daniel Larison, Cruz wrote that “Iran and North Korea present perhaps the greatest danger in the modern world, specifically nuclear weapons (and the threat of nuclear weapons) in the hands of two of the world’s most murderous regimes. We must pursue all means necessary to contain that threat. International sanctions should continue to pressure the Iranian and North Korean elites to decide it’s in their best interests to abandon nuclear weapons—and, ideally, overthrow their current regimes. In the meantime, Iran and North Korea must understand they face a threat of overwhelming force if we see any evidence that they might pass nuclear weapons on to terrorists or threaten us with nuclear blackmail.”[4]

    Declaring that Cruz was mostly “reading from the interventionist script,” Larison observed, “It isn’t clear how Cruz reconciles his goal of U.S.-sponsored regime change in both countries with an effort to persuade these regimes that they should not have a nuclear deterrent. … If Cruz is going to promote the cause of limited government, it appears that this will not extend to the government’s activities overseas.”[5]

    Cruz has also expressed strong support for a “pro-Israel” foreign policy. Shortly after taking office in January 2013, Cruz visited Afghanistan and Israel as part of a Senate Republican delegation. Meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu—who called Cruz “a friend of Israel”—Cruz declared, “In my view the United States should stand unshakably alongside the Nation of Israel.

  167. jason says:

    Bunu, I don’t think Cruz is for you.

  168. Bitterlaw says:

    The use of drones to kill American [TERRORISTS] anywhere is, and should be, [AWESOME] to a free people who wish to be governed by law and not men.

    I fixed it.

  169. jason says:

    ” Paul knows that a military strike on Iran will never happen, and he supports containment basically.”

    Yeah, Ahmadinejad believes in “containment”.


  170. jason says:

    ” His trip there was a success.”

    I think he made an ass out of himself.

    In the end he had to backtrack on his stupid proposal to end aid to Israel.

  171. Tulipomania says:

    See post #136.

    I said Cruz was the only “mainstream” republican who has a chance at going head to head with Rand Paul.

    There are at least some some thing to like about Cruz, and he’s fiery.

    Rubio is an airhead.

  172. Bitterlaw says:

    167- you lie, jason. Obama could never win a state with lots of white people. Phil told me so. Well, he didn’t explain why rich, white people in Delaware, Montgomery and Bucks county voted for Obama. He also never explained how Philadelphia, which is 50% black, votes 80%+ for Democrats for President. I guess you just can’t trust some white people.

  173. jason says:

    ” Cruz also insinuated that Hagel had publicly accused Israel of committing war crimes in Gaza”

    Bunu, you better read more on Cruz…..

  174. jason says:

    “I said Cruz was the only “mainstream” republican who has a chance at going head to head with Rand Paul.”

    heheh, Bunu is backtracking on Cruz faster than Rand Paul on Israel.

  175. jason says:

    NYC has got Pavlov’s dogs syndrome again, he is all excited that Rand Paul opposes Hagel.

    That must make him pro-Israel?


  176. Tulipomania says:

    Nope, I told you to refer to my previous post.

    And I still like Cruz a hell of a lot better than Rubio.

  177. Bitterlaw says:

    Has Bunu exer explained why he hates Israel so much? Is it just his usual anti-Semitism or is there something else?

  178. Tulipomania says:

    #183 I’ve never said I “hated” Israel….

    “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none.”
    -Thomas Jefferson.

    I have said I love Jefferson though.

  179. Bitterlaw says:

    Jefferson was so opposed to entangling alliances that he backed the French Revolution and Napoleon to the point that he almost triggered war with Britain. One of the major fights between Adams and Jefferson was the fact that Jefferson wanted the US to bow to the French.

  180. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder how you can have honest friendship with Hamas.

  181. Tulipomania says:

    More evidence we need to get rid of primaries in favor of caucus-like systems.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham calls for National Biometric ID Card

  182. Pavlov says:

    ” If Rand is not your choice for President, why do you care if others also don’t want him to be President?”

    Conditioned response.

  183. Bitterlaw says:

    Bunu wants to get rid of everything Paulbots can’t win.

  184. jason says:

    “More evidence we need to get rid of primaries in favor of caucus-like systems.”

    Of course, the only problem with that is that Ron Paul didn’t win any caucuses either.

    But I get the point. If you can eliminate voters and just have Paulbots in a closed room, the result might be different.

  185. jason says:

    I actually agree with Bunu.

    If it weren’t for the voters, Ron Paul would have done a lot better.

  186. Tulipomania says:

    No doubt they will want the biometrics to be tied to earnings and taxes as well to get rid of cash. Probably tie it to health care as well.

    Tighten the prison planet on the tax slaves.

  187. Bitterlaw says:

    You don’t need a lawyer on the Senate floor because you can not prosecute a Senator for statements made on the Senate floor. Next stupid post from Bunu in 3…2…1…

  188. Cory says:

    Adams accused Jefferson of wanting to bow to the French. Jefferson accused Adams of wanting to bow to the English. France and England were constantly about to go to war with each other, and/or with half of the other countries on the globe.

    I find it to be quite impressive that, post 1776, Jefferson was actually able to avoid entangling the United States in another war.

    And, if Jefferson had been hostile towards Napoleon, it’s doubtful that Napoleon would have sold him a huge part of the current United States, for a song.

  189. Bitterlaw says:

    The loss of Haiti made the Louisiana Territory useless to France. Napoleon would have sold it to the US even if Jefferson told him to run back to Corsica to get his shine box.

  190. Walt says:

    I don’t like Hamas.

    I also do not like Humus.

    Because the word humus looks and sorta sounds like Hamas and also both suck and are not palatable.

  191. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt – In Philadelphia, there is a vendor with a street cart who sells falafel.. The cart says he is the King of Falafel. I’m not sure that royalty would only have a cart.

  192. Kory says:

    hey guys I so wish I was American, but all I am is a lousy Canadian marxist who has Stephen Harper as his PM. *sighs*

  193. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:


  194. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:


  195. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    Gee Eff says:
    February 21, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Cheap imitation! Go with Quality, not Quantity!

  196. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    February 21, 2013 at 1:39 pm
    NYC – You have said that you want Rand Paul in the Senate and not in the White House. Then, you defend Rand again and again. If Rand is not your choice for President, why do you care if others also don’t want him to be President?

    -As opposed to the asshat in #188, my desire for Rand Paul to stay where he is ends IF he is able to win the nomination after going through the primary process. IF he does that, then all Republicans should look at him as a lot better for this country, and for Israel, than any Democrat. Bunu, and many others from his merry band have already said they will probably go 3rd party, no matter who wins. And jason is on record as saying Rand Paul would be unacceptable, even though his reasons are based upon what the father, Ron Paul, has said. If he does not want to vote for Rand Paul, fine, but do not besmirch the man because of his father. My desire is to see the Republican party have a vigorous debate, and then unite to defeat the Democratic hacks. To say that Hillary would be friendlier to Israel is such BS, the Clintons are all talk, they will only support Israel if it is still politically advantageous for them.

  197. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    I love humus, and hummers!

  198. Mrs. NYCmike says:

    You remember back that far? Zing!

  199. Walt says:

    Hey Congress, this is how things are supposed to work with legislaative bodies to actually get solutions to problems.

    VA House, Senate negotiators strike Va. transportation deal
    The deal by a 10-member conference committee would substantially cut the fuels tax but raise the sales tax from 5 percent to 5.3 percent and divert a portion of existing revenue to roads.

    The plan would cut the gas tax by about a third, replacing the current 17.5 cents-per-gallon levy with a new 3.5 percent wholesale gas tax. The tax on diesel would remain about the same, but it would be converted from a flat per-gallon tax to a 6 percent wholesale tax. The new taxes on gasoline and diesel would rise with inflation.

    The deal reduces the amount of general fund revenue that McDonnell and the House sought to use for roads but diverted more than the Senate had wanted.

  200. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt – People in Congress are not allowed to compromise on anything. If Obama said the sun should rise in the East, any Republican who supported the plan would immediately be called a RINO. If the GOP proposed that the sun should set in the West, Obama, Pelosi and Reid would condemn the blatant attempt to direct the path of the sun. They would then propose a solar tax to study ways to change the location of sunsets to share the experience with all compass directions.

  201. Bitterlaw says:

    Wow. Even Bunu left.

  202. SusyQue says:

    The World’s Greatest Welfare Recipients: Barack And Michelle Obama!

    Read more:

  203. AuH2ORepublican says:

    #143, Bitter, I agree with you that Max Cleland should not be mocked as a fake war hero, but it nevertheless is true that Cleland’s injuries did not come in battle, but due to an accident that could have occurred in training stateside or anywhere else, and I think that attempts by Democrats to hail Cleland as someone who lost three limbs in the service of his nation is quite disingenuous (plus, obviously, it is appalling that Democrats cried like little girls when Saxby Chambliss ran ads that told the truth about how Cleland had voted to put unions ahead of national security by insisting that employees of the Department of Homeland Security be unionized). Here’s an account of Cleland’s injuries:

    “On April 8, with a month left in his tour, Cleland was ordered to set up a radio relay station on a nearby hill. A helicopter flew him and two soldiers to the treeless top of Hill 471, east of Khe Sanh. Cleland knew some of the soldiers camped there from Operation Pegasus. He told the pilot he was going to stay a while with friends.

    When the helicopter landed, Cleland jumped out, followed by the two soldiers. They ducked beneath the rotors and turned to watch the liftoff. Cleland reached down to pick up a grenade he believed had popped off his flak jacket. It exploded, and the blast slammed him backward, shredding both his legs and one arm.

    David Lloyd, a Marine in a nearby mortar bunker, rushed to the scene, took off his web belt and tied it around one of Cleland’s shredded legs.[4] When the medics arrived, Lloyd left to help another injured soldier – one of the two who had gotten off the helicopter with Cleland.

    Lloyd claims that the unnamed soldier was crying. ‘It was mine,’ he said, ‘it was my grenade.’

    According to Lloyd, the private had failed to take the extra precaution that experienced soldiers did when they grabbed M-26 grenades from the ammo box: bend the pins, or tape them in place, so they couldn’t accidentally dislodge. This soldier had a flak jacket full of grenades with treacherously straight pins, Lloyd says. “He was a walking death trap.”[5]

    Due to the severity of his injuries, doctors amputated both of Cleland’s legs above the knee and his right forearm.[6] He was 25 years old.”

  204. W. PA Observer says:

    211- I don’t know about you, but I don’t believe Army privates carry vests full of live grenades on training exercises. Sounds like the kid was a green private new to Vietnam and scared as hell and under siege at Khe Sanh , and so loaded himself up with as much as he could carry and didn’t properly check everything. A month before that mission a 25-man patrol of Marines was ambushed and wiped out WITHIN SIGHT of the perimeter guards, and their bodies left out in the sun for five days. I’d say that’s a pretty unnerving situation to be in even on a “non-combat” mission outside the perimeter. Cleland earned a Silver Star and Bronze star at Khe Sanh shortly before that. Regardless, I disagree with Cleland on every major issue, and wouldn’t vote for him, but his service is a matter of record.

  205. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if zombies got everybody.

  206. W. PA Observer says:

    213- Not me- though reading Phil’s DOOM tone was enough to get me away for a bit.

  207. AuH2ORepublican says:

    #212, not to nitpick, but Cleland got a Silver Star and Bronze Star for his actions at Khe Sanh that took place 4 days prior to the accident; I have to assume that Cleland wasn’t recommended for the medals until sometime after the accident took place (or did commanding officers fill out all the paperwork for commendations within a couple of days of a major battle?). Just saying.

  208. W. PA Observer says:

    215- What are you implying?

  209. Bitterlaw says:

    WPA – I get it. Black and Hispanic people vote for Democrats. Zzzzzz. We need to get some of them back. I refuse to believe that is impossible. I also literally do not care if white people become a minority in the country I know plenty of good black people and many miserable whites (and vice versa). I love working in a city. I had one job in an all white suburb. I was bored out of my mind at lunch every day. If I walk around my office now I see a pretty interesting world.

  210. Bitterlaw says:

    215 – So what? his medals came 4 days too late? I have said repeatedly that I do not like the man’s politics. As far as his service goes, I would not feel worthy to have the honor to shake his remaining hand.

  211. W. PA Observer says:

    This blog is a rather good cross-section of conservatives by and large- many others (unless they are the big HotAir or Redstate ones) tend to be more narrow in focus or regionalized. Though some of the Texas ones are interesting – one does a special post for every execution in Texas.

  212. Bitterlaw says:

    WPA – I love HHR. Even when I fight with people, I respect them (except Bunu). I think fighting it out here is healthy. The Deadenders think everybody else is a RINO. The RINOs think Deadenders aren’t happy unless they lose. It’s one big dysfunctional family.

  213. W. PA Observer says:

    220- CIVICS!

  214. Bitterlaw says:

    Sheetz still sucks.

  215. W. PA Observer says:

    Joan Orie Melvin was found guilty of 6 of 7 counts– so that’ll be an open state supreme court spot for next year.

  216. Bitterlaw says:

    Good. Unlike Duel, I have no problem with Republicans who break the law getting convicted.

  217. Grey Goose says:

    Has anybody seen MD? We used to have such good times together on his trips to Grand Cayman.

  218. AuH2ORepublican says:

    I’m saying that, perhaps, Cleland’s CO had an extra incentive to put in for a commendation for Cleland’s role in the battle, since he must have felt terrible over what happened four days later.

  219. W. PA Observer says:

    226- Because he can’t have performed bravely in battle, since he’s a Democrat, right?

  220. Walt says:

    Yeah, I’ve been wondering where MD was too.

    If he got all my money out of the offshorio bankio accountio I had down there in the Caymans, he has not called me about it yet.

  221. W. PA Observer says:

    Under that logic, ANYONE with a medal for valor that was wounded after the action they were commended for, is suspect. Do you really want to go down that path?

  222. Bitterlaw says:

    WPA – I can’t stand Democrats (except Tim). However, I am tired of some of the petty crap some focus on. Obama goes on vacation to cool places. I get it. bad visuals and hypocritical deference from the press. So what? he is the President. It was stupid when Code Pink bitched about Bush at the ranch and its stupid to care that Obama goes to Hawaii or Paris.

    This questioning of Cleland, a combat veteran who lost 3 limbs within days of a major combat operation, even if the loss of limbs was accidental, is offensive to me. I don’t care if he sacrificed his body eating pudding in a mess hall. He served. Pick another criticism about his politics.

  223. W. PA Observer says:

    230- Amen- just as it disgusts me when the libs would say/do say McCain was “having flashbacks to Vietnam” or something along those lines.

  224. Bitterlaw says:

    Both sides do it and I admit it for our side.

  225. Bitterlaw says:

    Condemnation of Bitterlaw as a PC RINO in 3…2…1…

  226. Bitterlaw says:

    Damn. We ran out of things to talk about?

  227. Bitterlaw says:


  228. Tim says:

    I absolutely agree with you, sir.

  229. MD says:

    Obama deserves a vaca and all things being equal I wouldn’t say a word. However, all things are not equal. The press reported on
    Bush’s vacas In a way that made him look like a welfare recipient. Obama? Free pass from the press. Not from me though.

  230. MD says:

    Had dinner with a prospect here last night. A 43 year old Cuban American. Huge R so we had lots to talk about. He had 4 grey goose specials. I had zero. Stuck to a couple I light beers. Just ran a 5k. How things have changed.

  231. Emerica says:

    Lebron’s PER 31.63 as of this AM.

    Approaching greatest regular season PER ever.

  232. Tim says:

    You resisted Grey Goose, MD?

    I admit it. I am weak………

  233. jason says:

    So if the guy goes to Vietnam and is injured by a fellow American’s grenade his injuries don’t count? He didn’t sacrifice himself for his country? I fail to follow this logic.

    The problem with Cleland was that he voted 100% with every liberal in the Senate while claiming he was a moderate.

    That should be enough to run against him if he chooses to enter the race. He is way too liberal for Georgia and he has a record to prove it.

    Attacking his military service is just what the MSM wants. They can make it all about that instead of his voting record.

  234. jason says:

    I have been good too. I have been limiting myself to one Grey Goose martini at a time.

  235. Bitterlaw says:

    Since the posting has fallen to dangerously low levels, as Governor I have emergency powers to post for others until they return:

    Phil – It’s over. There aren’t enough white people to keep America great.

    DW – I agree with Phil but it’s even worse than that.

    NYCmike – Rand Paul made some brilliant statements yesterday.

    Jason – Suck it, Bronxie.

    Bunu – Ron Paul is [fill in the blank since nobody reads the rest anyway].

    Tim – Obama won. Bend over and like it.

    SoHope – I disagree with…

    Senator Mendez – Panthers! Heat!

    Walt – wacka Wacka…2 nuns walk into a bar…is this microphone on?

    MD – 2014 will be bad. 2016 will be worse. 2018 might be better than 2016 but worse than 2014. I’m so fit now that I can run in slow motion like an episode of Bay Watch.

    Brandon – Christie!

  236. jason says:

    Morning Joe and Harold Ford reacting to the “sad” story of the kid who lost his parents in an accident.

    Oh wait, it was about a Congressman who ripped off his mostly poor constituents for a million dollars and got sentenced to jail.

    “Mika: That was NBC’s Pete Williams reporting.
    Scarborough: It’s a sad story. Harold, you served with Jesse. As did I.
    Harold Ford: I know Jesse. It’s sad. I know the family well. My prayers go out to his kids and to the entire family. And I hope there is another chapter in his life.
    Mika: I hope they can turn it around.
    Scarborough: Yeah.”

  237. Tim says:

    And, I hope he goes to prison and pays for his crimes.

    Silly me………..

  238. jason says:

    As Lt. Governor, I will use my powers to post for those that Bitter neglected.

    Rocky Troll – As a troll I predicted the GOP would lose. They lost. Stop calling me a troll.

    Wobbie Troll – I am rethinking my support for Jeb Bush. His poll numbers show he might win. That’s a problem.

    Author’s GF – Author, stop pretending your cell is dead. I know you are reading this. Iron my blouses and change the kitty litter.

    SusyQue – I saw a bumper sticker that said “Christianity has pagan DNA”. What does that mean?

    Cory – Obama’s popularity has reached 101% here in my commune.

    Eeyore – where’s Phil?

  239. Tim says:

    I want lisab back. You people here just don’t slap me around as proficiently as she does.

  240. Bitterlaw says:

    This is why HHR needs a Governor and Lt. Governor. I reject all calls to eliminate jason’s position.

  241. SoHope says:

    HHR Sequestration may cause Jason to be furloughed…

    It’s either him or teachers and first responders.

  242. jason says:

    248. Thanks, so let’s continue.

    lisab – I won 3 million arguments in a row despite being unhindered by facts or logic. What do you do for an encore?

    Addisonst – I am away at a workshop: “What’s holding America back – Due Process”

    Jul – When Democrats control 100% of everything, that’s the time to rebuild.

  243. jason says:

    ” It’s either him or teachers and first responders.”

    This should be slam dunk.

    Most people here already know everything and at least MD is healthy as a horse.

  244. Lebron James says:

    Bunu get my name out of your mouth

  245. SoHope says:

    We could alway cut Bunu to part-time…do we really need a village idiot?

  246. jason says:

    “The breathing insufficiency that emerged post-operation persists and the tendency has not been favourable, so it is still being treated,” read the first official communique on Chávez’s health since his return to Venezuela on Monday.”

    Translation: not looking good.

    My guess is they can’t do anything for him in Cuba anymore and that is why he is back.

  247. jason says:

    News you won’t see on the MSM.

    “A health insurance company headed by an old friend from President Obama’s days as a community organizer got a $340 million federal loan to establish Obamacare co-ops in New York, New Jersey and Oregon despite having a chronic record of consumer and regulatory complaints.

    The New York-based Freelancers Insurance Company has been rated the “worst” insurer for two straight years by state regulators, and data compiled by a national insurance association show an extremely high rate of consumer complaints.”

  248. Bitterlaw says:

    Venezuela is about to lose its Anerica-hating bastard. Ours is still healthy and gives DailyPaul links. It’s not fair. Why is Venezuela so luck?

  249. Walt says:


    My Cayman Island bank sent an email saying they handed over the entire account to a “Mr. MD”.

    Where my money at?

  250. Island Tax Haven Association says:

    Mr. Walt, we regret to inform you half the money was spent on hook—, I mean dancing girls, casinos and light beer.

    The other half was wasted.

  251. jason says:

    256. Well, we know if Bunu gets sick the best hospitals in Gaza and Tehran will be available to him under his Ahmadinejadcare Plan.

  252. Walt says:

    Heard on radio this morning that a researcher has figured that if they spray paint one side of the front of asteroids heading toward earth, the painted side of the asteroid will burn off at a different rate than the unpainted side and thus change to course of the assteroid.

    I hope he got no federal gov’t research money to help arrive at this solution.

  253. Walt says:

    258.Mr. Walt, we regret to inform you half the money was spent on hook—, I mean dancing girls, casinos and light beer.

    Damn. All $261 gone. GONE!

    Today is turning out to be worse than yesterday.

  254. Walt says:

    Starting to sleet here.

    You guys to the east of me, it is about time to bring in the cat.

    Or put the cat out, if that is your pleasure.

  255. Grand Prince Jabib says:

    Mr. Walt:

    Greetings and good day. I am so sorry to learn of your recent financial unpleasantry. I am also in experience difficult finances. My country in is revolution. I have $25 million in a foreign account. I need you to apply for the money to avoid sanctions. I will give you $3 million if you apply for the money. You will need to send he $19,000 processing fee to me to prepare the paerwork filings. Please reply to me.

  256. Dear Leader says:

    What are we, chopped liver?

    Bunu is welcome anytime. He does more anti-American propaganda than our official agency.

  257. Tulipomania says:

    Clearly the “decision” was the correct one.

    I’ve always said Lebron should have refused to play for Cleveland from day #1. Took him too many years to figure that out.

  258. Walt says:

    Funny that Dave W. still has Deal and Barrow running for PRESIDENT of GA.

    Does anyone think Tim might jump in to run for Presiddnt of GA?

    If he did and someone asked him a question at a candidate forum would he resspond: “Well, gotta run, time to get back to work…”

  259. ssq says:

    263. My husband is preparing the check now. Do you accept US dollars or does it have to be in dinars, drachmas, rupees or some other weird currency?

  260. Non-sequitur says:

    265. Have we met?

  261. SEIU, ACLU, NEA, Teamsters, Trial Lawyers Assoc., Concerned Citizens for a Nanny State says:

    We endorse Tim!

  262. Tulipomania says:

    Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) says constituents are telling him that high-capacity magazines should not be banned because people need “at least 50 rounds” to shoot down government drones.

  263. jason says:

    ” Starting to sleet here.”

    Thanks for the heads up Walt.

    I will go down the road and tell Amos to bring the cows in.

  264. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    Instapundit (one part of it) linked to this video. It is more proof that the President and his allies are fighting every day to push their vision of what America should look like. It is an emotion-filled video, which will grab hearts of many people, mainly women, and will not worry about telling those citizens to think. Thinking, logic, that is for the cold-hearted. OFA is pushing people to choose with their hearts, leave their minds blank. It will be tough to win those people’s votes, unless we start to fight in similar ways, every day.

  265. Bitterlaw says:

    It used to be black helicopters. Now it is drones. Zzzzzzzzzz

  266. jason says:

    Bunu, you should be VERY careful posting.

    The new drones can detect anti-drone posts from at least 100 miles away and home in to the location in about 45 seconds.

  267. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    OFA has that video, and Tulip shows us a Republican speaking about shooting drones. Well done, Tulip-schmuck!

  268. jason says:

    273. Bitter, do not lull Bunu into a false sense of security. He is right to be paranoid. The drones ARE looking for him.

  269. jason says:

    Poor NYC.

    His Rand Paul campaign will never take off with the Bunu albatross around his neck.

  270. jason says:

    So who is right about Rand Paul?

    Bunu or NYC?

    I vote for Bunu. He knows him better.

  271. jason says:

    Walt, here is an idea that might get you back into office:

    “By passing a bill last week that allows motorists to eat their roadkill, the Montana House of Representatives may be on their way to legalizing the ultimate drive-through experience.

    State Rep. Steve Lavin originally introduced the bill into Montana’s House to allow “game animals, fur-bearing animals, migratory game birds and upland game birds” who have been killed by a car to be harvested for food.”

  272. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    jason says:
    February 22, 2013 at 10:42 am
    Poor NYC.

    His Rand Paul campaign will never take off with the Bunu albatross around his neck.

    -And your campaign to make sure we have a divided party is all guns blazin’! Well done.

  273. Stubborn Facts says:

    oh my. Glenn Beck just went on a tangent, ripping into Ron Paul supporters

  274. Little Mikey says:

    Bobcats Rule!

  275. Bitterlaw says:

    Remember the guy in school who always told you how smart he was and why he was right about everything? The guy who used to wear a bow tie to class even though it was a public school without a dress code. He had a briefcase instead of a backpack. Every school had one. Even THAT GUY wants Bunu to STFU.

  276. DW says:

    I just saw this headline:

    “Feds will sue Lance Armstrong for using performance-enhancing drugs during Tour de France, sources tell NBC News”

    My first reaction is, what business do “feds” have in suing Lance Armstrong, and for what are they suing him? Last I checked the Tour de France is held in, France. This sounds like out of control government just grubbing for money against whoever they think they can get away with suing.

    Why don’t I sue people who used drugs before entering the voting booth and thereby voted for Obama last fall? They certainly have done a lot more damage than Lance Armstrong.

  277. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    Armstrong was supported by the USPS. I didn’t agree with that either, but I guess they figure they have a claim against him.

  278. PavlovNYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    Stubborn Facts says:
    February 22, 2013 at 12:05 pm
    oh my. Glenn Beck just went on a tangent, ripping into Ron Paul supporters

    -I hate Glenn Beck!*

    *Just kidding, I neither hate him or love him. His book, Overton window, was great!

  279. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    Go ahead jason, your time to make some more silly comments.

  280. Waingro says:

    #281, that’s like watching a side fight between two crazies in the school yard.

  281. terry says:

    One week until sequester day. Lets all hope the House GOP hold strong. The onslaught by the Obama media will be ridiculous next week.

  282. Waingro says:

    #290, “won’t someone PLEASE think of the children!!!”

  283. Waingro says:

    er, #290 was to #289

  284. Things you never hear on HHR... says:

    I really wish I had a link telling me how much Bunu loved Ron/Rand Paul

  285. NYCmike (Bronxie) says:

    “The Bloods gang member is facing a narcotics charge after New Jersey cops yesterday discovered a whopping 100 bags of heroin hidden in his anus, police report.”

    -I saw this story on Drudge. One of the comments said “after a couple of years in prison, he’ll be able to hide 200”. Ouch!

  286. Things Iowa Will Never Say says:

    We are Ron Paul country!

  287. Waingro says:

    Wow, this place is really dead, huh?

  288. SusyQue says:

    Obama Fiddled
    Andrew P. Wilson

    The late Ted Kennedy became known as “the Hero of Chappaquiddick” for leaving a young lady to die after accidentally driving his car off a bridge on the night of July 18, 1969. Kennedy, who swam free, said nothing to police until 10 a.m. the following day.

    Much More:

  289. WTF? says:

    Kennedy had been dead how long and SusyQue is going on about him?

  290. Chicago Dem (formerly Rep) Voters says:

    Wow, this place is really dead, huh?

    Comment by Waingro — February 22, 2013 @ 4:19 pm

    Just like us!

  291. Obvious Tee Up says:

    What you gonna do about it?

  292. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t know how GF does it. I don’t want to know how GF does it. I just look on in awe as he does it.

  293. Bitterlaw says:

    We have to get the number of posts up. Let’s go with some posts to piss people off:

    Phil- I hope Lincoln wins Best Picture because I love seeing raw Federal Power create more black voters.

    Author- The Heat are a great team playing in a Hispanic ghetto with some rich people hiding behind walls on the coast.

    NYC- when you blow Ron does he taste like Rand?

  294. Bitterlaw says:

    MD – No matter how much you work out, you’re still short.

    Come on people. Help out.

  295. Walt says:


    WV Senate finance chair says he is not going to take up the magistrate pay raise bill that the House battled royally over before it passed 53 to 45.

    Dems won the House battle but lost the war. Pay raise will not happen and the voters will be mad at the Ds in the House who voted for it.

  296. SusyQue says:

    Some here mentioned there are not enough white people to outvote those who are not white. It’s not about color, but about character.
    Our slide into the cultural gutter began shortly after WWII when
    post war production of American black and white TV sets began 1945. By 1955, half of all U.S. homes had one. Entertainment was monitored. Little by little…the standards of entertainment were lowered…. Elvis was a great hit…hip gyrations and all. We lost control over what our children were being exposed to by the 1980s. The same phenomenon has happened with the invention of computers. Parents lose control over what their children view. Wealth, entertainment, and sex…has had its effect on the
    schools, sports, as well as the home. Corruption at every level has invaded our government and all other entities. Before we can turn this culture around…we have to take a good look at ourselves and admit what we have neglected. Take a look at the Ten Commandments….it’s the backbone of living a good life instead of living the insanity we are presently in. Read the book
    of Proverbs in the Bible….it acts as the mirror of your soul. It will tell you what is wrong and how it can be fixed.

  297. SusyQue says:

    #306…Very good article. Good for him!

  298. Walt says:

    The letters in the word restrooms can be rearranged to spell sore storm.

  299. Cory says:

    You are fighting a losing battle, Susy.

    The world has progressed past a point that you are comfortable with, so you’re throwing a hissy fit.

    And, this idea that corruption is some sort of modern ill is the silliest of all. We have reached a point of human advancement (in communication, availability of information, transparency) where corruption can actually be discovered, and penalized. That’s why you hear so much about corruption. You, apparently, want to go back to the days when corruption was so institutionalized that people with their head in the sand (you) could pretend that it didn’t exist.

  300. Tim says:

    I would like to drink some ancient wine. I bet it makes you drunk.

    Okay, that means that Cory is right….

  301. Tim says:

    Cory made that post two hours ago? Geez. You people all asleep, tonight?

  302. SusyQue says:

    #309…are you Canadian born?

  303. W. PA Observer says:

    306- There are 3 open Dem state senate seats in California right now- can the Cali GOP prove it still exists and try to take at least one or two back?

  304. SusyQue says:

    #313…it is understandable that you do not know American History.

  305. Cory says:

    What is not understandable is how you’ve lived in this world for 50+ years, and still have no idea how to comprehend it.

  306. Little Mikey says:

    Bobcats Lose!!!! WE ARE GOING TO BE CHAMPIONS!!!!

  307. SusyQue says:

    #310…What is your profession/vocation?

  308. SusyQue says:

    #318…oops. #316

  309. Cory says:

    I’ll tell you, but first tell me why you’re asking.

  310. SusyQue says:

    #320…it help me understand your knowledge base and world view.

  311. Bitterlaw says:

    Let me guess. COrey is not a member of a Canadian Stanley Cup Champion. I think the Toronto Bluejays won the World Series more recently than the Canadians have won the Stanley Cup.*

    *F you, Joe Carter

  312. Walt says:

    The letters in the word restrooms can also be rearranged to spell

    “rose storm”

    I discovered all this while we waited for an hour to be seated at Red Lobster and pondering the “Restrooms” sign.

  313. SusyQue says:

    #323…Walt, after waiting an hour….hope the
    Lobster was good!

  314. Cory says:

    That’s ridiculous. Why don’t you try and understand what I’m saying? Instead, you are trying to find personal details about me which you can use an excuse to dismiss me. Deal with what is being said to you, Susy.

    I’m a professional baseball player with the nickname ‘Wild Thing’. No, wait, that’s not right… I’m a market researcher.

  315. Walt says:

    Firearms Companies Restricting Sales To GOVERNMENT Agencies In Areas That Restrict Gun Rights

    Also will not repair weapons owned by government agencies in states that restrict gun rights.

    What is that I smell in the air?
    federal lawsuits, tax audits, government organized thuggery, etc.

  316. Walt says:


    I had the 1/2 portion of trout plus a 1/2 lb. crab cluster.

    Twas good.

    Wish you could have joined my wife and I there.

  317. SusyQue says:

    #325…Cory, you asked me a question and told me you would answer mine. Just relax…I am not out to
    put you down. I know very little of Canadian history…so it is understandable you do not know
    much about American history. I do have cousins who live in Canada, but I have not been there to visit.

  318. Cory says:

    What the hell are you talking about?
    What have I said that indicates I do not know much about American history? How was that related to whether or not corruption is a modern ill?

  319. Walt says:

    If you would have been there SusyQue, I would have been happy to be the thorn between the two roses. 🙂

  320. SusyQue says:

    It’s time for me to get ready to call it a night.
    I wish you well, Cory…and you too, Walt. I look forward to you posts….

  321. SusyQue says:

    #330…Walt…you know just what to say to make a lady smile!

    Cory…you need a mentor, like Walt.

  322. Bitterlaw says:

    Canadian History:

    Some Frogs showed up. They got rich collecting beaver pelts. The British kicked their asses out. Americans attacked the British and lost during the American Revolution.

    Canada got its revenge by shipping Michael J. Fox and Justin Bieber south. That’s about it.

  323. Bitterlaw says:

    Hey, Walt and SusyQue! Get a room!

  324. Bitterlaw says:

    Canada also exported Alan Thicke and Avril Lavigne. At least Avril is a MILF

  325. Walt says:

    You can rearrange the letters in the workds “market researcher” to spell:




  326. Walt says:

    That SusyQue is just the sweetest thing!

    Not like Bitter.

  327. Bitterlaw says:

    You can use the letters in SusyQue and Walt to form:

    Law Quest

  328. Walt says:

    Don’t forget that Peter Jennings was a Canadian.

    bassetball inventor, James Naismith.

    And magicians:

    Doug Henning
    Leon(Mandrake the Magnificent)Mandrake James Randi

    Plus Techumseh, the Injun chief

  329. Walt says:

    Law Quest

    True, but you got 3 letters left over that you did not use (SUY)

  330. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt – You are hereby appointed to the Hedgehog Scrabble team.

  331. W. PA Observer says:

    Wow- Rahm Emanuel’s approval rating as Mayor of Chicago is 19%. Now THAT’S s a bad rating – a Democrat in Chicago at 19%, so he’s basically down to his immediate family and the cemetery vote.

  332. michael corleone says:

    Don’t diss the cemetary vote. It carried OH, FL and VA for Obama.

  333. 314, post re-districting, I don’t even know what the state senate district looks like! Seriously, About 3 million Californians are sharing state senators due to the quirk of having only half the senate seats up every 2 years. But Rubio represents a Central Valley district in the Bakersfield/Fresno area that while nominally Democrat on paper, it’s never been a barrier for GOP to win in Central Valley. The other two vacant seats are not likely for GOP to win since they’re basically Mexico, one in the Inland Empire and the other in SD. Though with 1 million residents per district, there are obviously huge pockets of GOP voters in each. Winning all 3 would actually eliminate Dem supermajority completely. GOP would get 14/40.

  334. Kandy says:

    Valuable write ups Thanks a lot.

  335. Bitterlaw says:

    344 Obama didn’t win because of dead voters. He won because Deadenders stayed home.

  336. MD says:

    Hello, am I awake yet?

  337. Bitterlaw says:

    Off to basketball. How is your blood pressure today, MD?

    We need to get people posting again. I wonder if we should invite Michael back. For every post, he generates 5 responses.

  338. MD says:

    It was 122/65. Weight down 22 pounds.

  339. Scott says:

    #350- MD
    You The Man!!!

  340. Scott says:

    #347- Bitterlaw
    I agree,but would say more “purists” than deadenders.

  341. Scott says:

    You gotta love the Tar Heel State.
    The (Dem) Attorney General opined that the State must issue Drivers’ Licenses to illegal aliens covered under Obama’s Executive Orders on the matter.
    The State’s DMV complied by issuing licenses that have a big Pink Stripe with bold lettering saying, NO LEGAL STATUS.
    The ACLU is livid and the legislature will try to pass legislation that will undo the AG’s decision.
    Classic “lemonaide from lemons”!

  342. W. PA Observer says:

    353- The legislature? Didn’t we get supermajorities in both of NC’s houses this past year?