Clinton Leads Sanders By 2% in NH

The latest poll from Suffolk University shows that if Hillary Clinton is going to be beaten in a primary, it is probably going to have to be Joe Biden that does it as Bernie Sanders appears to have peaked and is now back behind Clinton in the state of New Hampshire.

Clinton 37%
Sanders 35%
Biden 11%
Webb 3%
O’Malley 1%
Chafee 1%
Lessig 0%

This poll was done October 14-15 among likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 1:30 pm
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213 Responses to “Clinton Leads Sanders By 2% in NH”

  1. Bitterlaw says:


  2. Corey says:

    From the last thread-

    Ron Santo did indeed lose both of his legs to diabetes. He played in the majors with it and kept it a secret. He sadly died of cancer a few years, but never stopped loving the Cubs or hating the Mets.

    Patrick Kane is the Blackhawks player who was accused of rape over the summer. Bitterlaw certainly remembers his name and what he did to the Flyers in 2010. Kane has not been charged with anything in Buffalo, so he certainly has the right to be playing now. Circumstantial evidence, including the mother of the accuser perpetuating a hoax involving evidence, leads me to think he did nothing criminal and is unlikely to ever be charged.

  3. Mr.Vito says:

    The best argument for the Jews having been armed is that we would not have to endure this discussion now.

  4. jason says:

    “I have visited the Island. It seems that Rubio, Fiorina, and just about everybody else is unacceptable. I guess Carson is the favorite there now?”

    What happened to that true conservative, Trump?

  5. Boonu says:

    It was good the Joos were not armed.

    They would have defeated Hitler and the whole world would have been dominated by them.

    I read this over at Stormfront. I am sure its true.

  6. Corey says:

    “He’s a lovely man, he’s a great doctor, and everybody else thinks we suck. That’s all I know what to tell you. I can’t understand what he’s saying half the time. He’s a brilliant guy but I don’t think he has a clue about what’s going on in the Mideast. So what can I say? I don’t know.”

    Lindsey Graham on Ben Carson

  7. Corey says:

    People wanted the Jews to be armed, but everytime I try to defend myself on here…

  8. jason says:

    I think Wobbie Troll called Rubio the Republican Obama the other day.



    “I’m not running against Jeb Bush, and I have nothing negative to say about him,” Rubio said, before implicitly criticizing the dynastic former governor who last held office nearly a decade ago. “I just think it’s time for the party and the country to move ahead to a new generation of leadership with new ideas that are relevant to the times in which we live and the century that awaits.”

  9. Corey says:

    “I have nothing negative to say about him”

    He’s a better man than you.

  10. jason says:

    I also liked this.

    “When Rubio is asked directly about the Obama comparison on the campaign trail, he responds by pointing out that Obama has been president for seven years, so inexperience cannot explain what’s wrong with his policies today. It’s Obama’s ideas, says Rubio, that are the problem”

  11. Corey says:

    Having the right ideas *and* the right experience would also be a plus.

    Rubio also says regularly that experience should not matter as much because Hillary Clinton is the most experienced candidate running and has the best resume.

    I strongly disagree that Hillary Cliton who has no executive experience and no business record is the most experienced candidate in the field or even close to it.

  12. jason says:

    “He’s a better man than you.”


    Don’t you have negative things to say about candidates?

    Or is the problem saying something negative about the candidate YOU support.

    Basically I have said the same thing that Rubio is saying. That Hillary-lite’s time has passed, he has nothing to offer, it’s time to move on, and we don’t need a re-thread, we have better candidates.

  13. Corey says:

    From the article:

    “In many important ways, of course, Marco Rubio is the Republican Obama. Each man is the best communicator in his party. Each has a life story—the son of poor anti-Communist Cuban refugees and the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya—that proves the American dream isn’t dead (and appeals particularly to his party’s self-image).”

    I basically said the exact same thing on here a couple months ago and some people took great offense.

  14. Corey says:

    Rubio says negative things about Trump, as I do, so I don’t blame him for that.

    Rubio is smart enough to know that his ideas and Jeb Bush’s ideas are very, very similar, and also that he owes his political career, to a large degree, to Jeb Bush specifically.

    So, he’s going to go with the age thing. I understand that.

  15. brucefdb says:

    Hi Bitter….re your comment and question on the last thread:

    The point I would make about the gun control movement is the eventual goal is to confiscate guns from those that oppose the Ruling Class, it has nothing to do with protecting the citizenry.

    The Island probably still has many lurkers but only a very few regulars. Since I am an infrequent visitor I can’t say if there is a favorite candidate.

    I do think that a few of them agree with me that the Republican and Democrat elite share the same goal, that is the establishment of a permanent underclass which may already be fait accompli. Any candidate that would jeopardize that goal will not get the R nomination. So by definition no one I like will get the nomination.

    I believe the eventual candidate will be Jeb….although there are fall backs. The R’s will lose (and not care). Have I re-established my whacko credentials?

    Last time I asked you were a Christy guy….is that still the case?

    Hope all is well with you. Sorry for the length of this.

  16. jason says:

    Hillary has no business experience, true.

    But she has plenty of political experience. She was in the WH for 8 years as first lady. She was a senator and SOS.

    We just don’t like her policies, and especially her ethics.

    But she is not inexperienced.

  17. Corey says:

    Rubio doesn’t call Jeb Bush “Hillary-Lite” and has yet to even attempt to claim he is more conservative or has different ideas than Jeb Bush.

  18. jason says:

    “Have I re-established my whacko credentials?”

    With flying colors.

  19. jason says:

    Rubio doesn’t call Jeb Bush “Hillary-Lite”

    Yeah, I am sure it irks him he can’t say it.

    But I am under no such constraints.

  20. Corey says:

    First Lady should not be relevant experience. She has no accomplishments of her own. She was an unremarkable Senator and a failed Secretary of State.

    There are many candidates in both parties running with more experience than Hillary, especially those who were Governors.

    Rubio, who is normally a very good communicator, needs better talking points on that particular area.

  21. jason says:

    “I do think that a few of them agree with me that the Republican and Democrat elite share the same goal, that is the establishment of a permanent underclass”

    Whacko is generous.

  22. Robbie says:

    I didn’t call Rubio the Republican Obama the other day. I suggested back in the late Winter and Spring that his profile (young, first term Senator straight out of the state house who is a great speech giver) looks much like that of Obama. And I went on to suggest it’s going to be quite a feat for Republicans to have made the case for the last seven years it was wrong to elect Obama for those reasons and then turn around and elect Rubio.

    Now, the other day I did call Rubio the “Republican Savior”.

  23. jason says:

    “First Lady should not be relevant experience.”

    Sure it is. She even came up with her own ridiculous health care plan when she was First lady.

    To deny Hillary has plenty of political experience is stupid.

    Rubio will certainly point out that she is an abject failure, but its not necessary to say she is inexperienced, especially considering he is a Senator too.

    His talking points are fine.

  24. Corey says:

    It sounds more like Rubio is trying to position himself as the Republican JFK.

    “New ideas, new generation of leadership” is eventually going to have to include some specifics, or he’s going to wind up as the Republican Gary Hart.

    There is no major issue where Marco Rubio’s position or ideas are not different than that of Jeb Bush and some others in the GOP field.

  25. jason says:

    “I didn’t call Rubio the Republican Obama the other day. I suggested back in the late Winter and Spring that his profile (young, first term Senator straight out of the state house who is a great speech giver) looks much like that of Obama”

    Ok, I stand corrected.

    You suggested his profile looks much like Obama. (and he is a Republican)

    I am glad that’s clear now.

  26. Corey says:

    Rubio said Hillary had the most government experience out of anyone running for President. He talks about how long her resume is.

    That’s different than “political experience” or “campaign experience.”

  27. Robbie says:

    Well, well, well. Turns out Republican Savior didn’t even raise $6 million in Q3 nor does he have a COH advantage over Bush. Guess his campaign is employing “fuzzy math”.

    Turns out Republican Savior raised just $5.7 million in Q3 and slyly grouped $1.2 million of general election money with their primary COH figure.

  28. jason says:

    “There is no major issue where Marco Rubio’s position or ideas are not different than that of Jeb Bush and some others in the GOP field.”

    “Sen. Marco Rubio has joined growing criticism of the education standards known as Common Core, putting him in conflict with Jeb Bush at a time when Rubio is sharpening his conservative credentials.

    “Common Core started out as a well-intentioned effort to develop more rigorous curriculum standards,” Rubio said in a statement to the Tampa Bay Times. “However, it is increasingly being used by the Obama Administration to turn the Department of Education into what is effectively a national school board. This effort to coerce states into adhering to national curriculum standards is not the best way to help our children attain the best education. Empowering parents, local communities and the individual states is the best approach.”

  29. Corey says:

    Rubio’s line is “If this election is a resume competition then Hillary Clinton is going to be the next president.”

    Besides the fact that her supporter will use that line to support her, that statement should be considered false on its surface. Many others who might be nominated by Republicans have more impresive resumes and actual accomplishments as compared to Hillary Clinton.

  30. jason says:

    OMG, Rubio raised 5.7 million, not 6 million.


  31. Robbie says:

    Ok, I stand corrected.

    You suggested his profile looks much like Obama. (and he is a Republican)

    I am glad that’s clear now.

    Comment by jason — October 16, 2015 @ 2:25 pm

    I make no bones about it. He is the Republican version of Obama. I wrote that on more than one occasion in the late Winter and Spring. I just haven’t used that nickname since then, though.

  32. Corey says:

    I don’t see Common Core being the issue to decide the GOP nomination.

    Nonetheless, this came up in the first GOP debate, on Fox, and Marco Rubio, when pressed by the moderators, did not take issue with Jeb Bush’s position on it, after Bush pointed out that states should set their own standards.

    Rubio’s problem is with the Obama Administration, and with good reason, it is definitely not with Bush or Kasich, whom you like and has the exact same position.

  33. jason says:

    Rubio’s line is “If this election is a resume competition then Hillary Clinton is going to be the next president.”

    It’s a good line.

    And it’s hardly complimentary to Hillary.

  34. Corey says:

    This came up in the first debate and Rubio completely passed up any opportunity to disagree with or not endorse Jeb Bush’s Common Core record as Governor.

  35. jason says:

    “I don’t see Common Core being the issue to decide the GOP nomination.”

    Ah, ok, I thought you said they did not differ on any major issue.

    It would seem that education qualifies as a major issue, especially for Hillary-lite.

  36. Corey says:

    They don’t differ on Common Core.

    The ones that differ would be those like Jindal who flip flopped on it.

  37. Robbie says:

    30.OMG, Rubio raised 5.7 million, not 6 million.


    Comment by jason — October 16, 2015 @ 2:29 pm

    To put it another way, his fund raising was much more in line with Kasich and Christie than it is with Bush and Cruz.

  38. Corey says:

    And needless to say Rubio has not made any attempt as a candidate to express differences or disagreements with Jeb Bush on immigration.

    Rubio is basically Jeb’s “mini-me” who gives better speeches, and who comes from a more modest upbringing.

    Maybe that is what is needed for the party. Time will tell.

  39. jason says:

    “This came up in the first debate and Rubio completely passed up any opportunity to disagree with or not endorse Jeb Bush’s Common Core record as Governor.”


    “The Republican presidential candidates from Florida tangled over the issue of Common Core State Standards for curriculum at the prime-time GOP debate in Cleveland on Thursday. Senator Marco Rubio challenged his one-time mentor, former Governor Jeb Bush, on one of the most divisive issues in education today.

  40. Robbie says:

    Switching gears, how much longer and Chris Christie and Rand Paul going to be in the race?

    According to their FEC reports, Paul has $2 million COH while Chris Christie has an embarrassingly low $1.4 million COH.

    John Kasich is only in slightly better shape. Two, and possibly all three, may not even make it to their make it to New Hampshire.

  41. Corey says:

    Check the transcript.

    Rubio disagreed with Obama on Common Core issues, as he should, but he did not in any way take issue with Jeb Bush on it, even when he was given the opportunity to do so.

  42. jason says:

    “To put it another way, his fund raising was much more in line with Kasich and Christie than it is with Bush and Cruz.”

    Wow, when his fundraising improves he really is going to kick Hillary-lite’s ass in the polls, if he is doing it already.

  43. jason says:

    “He did not in any way take issue with Jeb Bush on it, even when he was given the opportunity to do so.”

    What is it about “challenged his one-time mentor” that you don’t quite grasp?

    “The Republican presidential candidates from Florida tangled over the issue of Common Core State Standards for curriculum at the prime-time GOP debate in Cleveland on Thursday. Senator Marco Rubio challenged his one-time mentor, former Governor Jeb Bush, on one of the most divisive issues in education today.

  44. Wes says:

    Rubio is a minority Republican whose parents escaped an oppressive regime. He rose to become Speaker of the Florida House and then out maneuvered a sitting Governor to become a Senator.

    JEB! is the scion of a political family dating to the Truman Administration who ran a lackluster campaign for Governor in a banner year for his party. He subsequently won the governorship and held it by 55% and 56% respectively–not exactly overwhelming numbers for a man long considered the front runner in both races. He has since refused a series of political campaigns but 14 years after his last bid for public office expects to be coronated President.

    I can see why Corey says Rubio is JEB!’s “Mini-Me.”

  45. Corey says:

    Rubio, when asked to take issue with Bush over Common Core said the federal government was trying to force it down the throat of states (which clearly has nothing to do with Jeb Bush) and Jeb Bush repeated the states have the right to opt out.

    Bush talked about how he thought states should be in control and about his record as Governor in Florida regarding vouchers, etc, and Rubio did not use a word to take issue with any of that. He instead went after Democrats, rightfully.

  46. Corey says:

    It is not accurate to say he “challenged” Jeb Bush on Common Core. I am not sure what your source for that is.

    They wanted him to challenge him and Rubio wanted people to think he was challenging him, but he chose his words carefully enough to only make it a “challenge” at Democrats, since they both agree that states should not be forced to take part in Common Core.

    I note that you have given up pretending that Rubio is taking positions on immigration that are fundemntally different than Jeb Bush.

  47. Robbie says:

    I’ve been hearing for two months, since the first debate, that Rubio’s fundraising has just been “taking off” and he has the hot hand? Where’s the proof? $5.7 million is pretty bad, especially compared to Bush who’s had nothing but bad stories saying his fundraising has slowed down.

    Rubio and his team are trying to will momentum onto their side by talking as if it’s happening. It’s like the Politico piece about Sheldon Adelson. It will be a big get, but the story might as well have been written by Rubio’s team. It was an attempt on their part to frame the idea their fundraising is taking off and can’t be stopped.

    Maybe Rubio has seen a big surge in the last few weeks, but it didn’t show up in this report.

  48. Corey says:

    BAIER: We’re going to come back to you, Dr. Carson.

    Governor Bush, you are one of the few people on the stage who advocates for Common Core education standards, reading and math. A lot of people on this stage vigorously oppose federal involvement in education. They say it should all be handled locally.

    President Obama’s secretary of education, Arnie Duncan, has said that most of the criticism of Common Core is due to a, quote, “fringe group of critics.” Do you think that’s accurate?

    BUSH: No, I don’t. And I don’t believe the federal government should be involved in the creation of standards directly or indirectly, the creation of curriculum or content. It is clearly a state responsibility.

    I’m for higher standards…


    BUSH: … measured in an intellectually honest way, with abundant school choice, ending social promotion. And I know how to do this because as governor of the state of Florida I created the first statewide voucher program in the country, the second statewide voucher program, in the country and the third statewide voucher program in the country.

    And we had rising student achievement across the board, because high standards, robust accountability, ending social promotion in third grade, real school choice across the board, challenging the teachers union and beating them is the way to go.

    And Florida’s low income kids had the greatest gains inside the country. Our graduation rate improved by 50 percent. That’s what I’m for.

    BAIER: Senator Rubio, why is Governor Bush wrong on Common Core?

    RUBIO: Well, first off, I too believe in curriculum reform. It is critically important in the 21st Century. We do need curriculum reform. And it should happen at the state and local level. That is where educational policy belongs, because if a parent is unhappy with what their child is being taught in school, they can go to that local school board or their state legislature, or their governor and get it changed.

    Here’s the problem with Common Core. The Department of Education, like every federal agency, will never be satisfied. They will not stop with it being a suggestion. They will turn it into a mandate.

    In fact, what they will begin to say to local communities is, you will not get federal money unless do you things the way we want you to do it. And they will use Common Core or any other requirements that exists nationally to force it down the throats of our people in our states.


    BAIER: And do you agree with your old friend?

    BUSH: He is definitely my friend. And I think the states ought to create these standards. And if states want to opt out of Common Core, fine. Just make sure your standards are high.

    Because today in America, a third of our kids, after we spend more per student than any country in the world other than a couple rounding errors, to be honest with you, 30 percent are college- and/or career-ready.

    BUSH: If we are going to compete in this world we’re in today, there is no possible way we can do it with lowering expectations and dumbing down everything. Children are going to suffer and families’ hearts are going to be broken that their kids won’t be able to get a job in the 21st Century.


  49. Corey says:

    I don’t hear one word of disagreement between Rubio and Bush. I see both disagreeing with Arne Duncan and the Obama Administration.

  50. Cory says:

    If Rubio and Bush are indistinguishable on the issues, that’s very bad news for Bush.

    On appearance, oratory skills, baggage and current standing within the party, Rubio outpoints Bush. So, if Bush doesn’t have issue contrasts to highlight then what is his argument? “My Super PAC has more money”?

  51. Corey says:

    I think they will go with the executive experience/preperation argument.

    I don’t think the Bush campaign is going to say that Rubio is not conservative enough or too conservative. They clearly seem to be pretty much in line on the major issues, except for perhaps a rape/incest exception for abortion which may wind up getting talked about.

  52. Robbie says:

    Oh, come on. Rubio has been the “bell of the ball” for Republican establishment types ever since he won in 2010. As soon as he gave his 2010 victory speech, Rush Limbaugh said Rubio would be president one day. In 2012, Rubio was pushed hard by the party to be Romney’s VP choice. Even Bush pushed for him. And in 2013, the party pushed him forward to be the face for comprehensive immigration reform.

    You can’t make the case Rubio is clearly the future of the party, the one who can unite all factions, and then say his fundraising stinks because of the Bush family rolodex of that he’s a man of limited finances. If he’s the future, someone’s dusty rolodex shouldn’t matter.

    If he’s as good as I’m repeatedly told he is, why haven’t the big donors and the grassroots activists come to see that and filled his coffers? Why did they decided to go with Bush? When I suggested one reason Bush might still be tough to beat is loyalty of party types to his father and brother? Most scoffed, but that seems to be the excuse for Bush beating Rubio in the money race now. Can’t have it both ways.

  53. Corey says:

    So, besides Common Core, where no difference can really be found, is there another issue difference between the two Miamians?

  54. Bitterlaw says:

    30.OMG, Rubio raised 5.7 million, not 6 million.


    GFY. Cory rounded that up to $11 million.

  55. Robbie says:

    And after all that, I just want to be clear. I think Rubio is more likely right now to be the nominee than Bush is.

    That said, if Bush’s poll numbers and slowing fundraising are a sign the voters aren’t interested, how can it be argued Rubio’s poll standing and fundraising suggest something different?

  56. Corey says:

    This all sort of reminds me of what was being said in 1979 about the Presidential candidacy of Congressman Phil Crane (based on what I have read.)

    Reagan was running for President, and everyone acknowledged that Crane and Reagan were close to identical on the issues, but that Crane was younger, not a candidate of “yesterday”, and did not have the same baggage as Reagan was said to have.

  57. DW says:

    “But she has plenty of political experience. She was in the WH for 8 years as first lady. She was a senator and SOS. ”

    Yes, she has had these experiences, and yet not all experiences are quality experiences, successful experiences.

    First lady: FAIL. Bill was in the oval office doing his thing with the owner of the blue dress, while Hillary was no doubt getting hers from someone else at the same time.

    Senator: FAIL. She never accomplished anything of note, and went around NY a few times for photo ops and to give speeches.

    SoS: FAIL. Benghazi.

    Campaign candidate: FAIL. In 2008 she couldn’t bloody up Obama to win the primary when the data was right there for the picking. She couldn’t even pick the low-hanging fruit.

    This woman is a media creation. I know someone who met her in person, and wow she seems small, dim-witted, and weak when you see her face to face stripped of all the media protection.

  58. Corey says:

    58. I agree to the extent that Rubio is misguided to praise or inflate Hillary Clinton’s resume and to try to use that to say that resumes do not matter.

    She can have the thin resume that she has and they can also matter. Both are true.

  59. Cory says:

    Well, I for one am not arguing that it’s Rubio’s poll standing (at least on first choice polls) or fundraising that makes him the favourite.

    Right now it’s still the Trump show, with a cameo from Ben Carson. I think most of us agree that neither of those two is going to win the nomination, and some one is going to have to come from farther back to take this thing.

    Rubio is an acceptable alternative to a wide swatch of the party, and he has the political skills to make those people move him up to first choice. That’s why I see him as the favourite. No one else has his skills, and few other candidates (not Bush for sure) are as easily swallowed by different segments of the party.

  60. Robbie says:

    I watched about 20-25 minutes of the Democrat debate and I had one takeaway from it. Anyone who thinks Hillary Clinton is going to be a pushover is misguided. Her stylistic performance was strong. Stronger than any one from the Republican debates.

  61. GF says:

    6.“He’s a lovely man…”

    With all the rumours about Lindsey Graham, he may not want to let that slip out of his mouth, even if it is a Freudian slip.

    Good afternoon, HHR.

  62. Corey says:

    Hillary is certainly smart and disciplined (most of the time at least) and can repeat memorized talking points.

    She can still come across as unbelievably shrill, unlikable, and unsincere though.

    In a debate format, she is unlikely to ever lay an egg on knowing how to answer a question or saying what she wants to about an issue, but a ton of people will probably find her unappealing and the dynamics of a general election debate will be far different than the CNN Democrat Show.

  63. DW says:

    61 – I think this is misguided.

    1) Hillary had a stage of 5 people, her and Bernie, with three baffoons. She was able to gobble up the spotlight and had a friendly media who didn’t push her. The one tough moment came and Bernie gave her a lifeline on the e-mail server question.

    2) The GOP debates had double the participants, and a blowhard Trump gobbling up all the attention.

    3) Put a solid debater like Rubio up against Hillary one on one, and then watch her not do well.

  64. Corey says:

    I think Rubio, Bush, (and some others like Kasich) would do very well with persuadable voters when matched against Hillary in a debate.

    Put her against Ben Carson, as unlikely as it is, and she might come across as knowing far more about the issues.

    Put her against Cruz (or Trump to state the obvious), and she will be the more likable person on stage, and that would be damn hard for her to do otherwise.

  65. DW says:

    65 – I largely agree, though I do wonder if Bush would be tough enough with her.

  66. Corey says:

    Donald Trump blamed George W. Bush for 9/11 during an interview today.

    We will see how Rush Limbaugh chooses to excuse this..

  67. Cash Cow ™ says:


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  68. DW says:

    67 – that would seemingly hurt him among the Trumpkins who appreciated Bush’s tough foreign policy.

  69. DW says:

    Cash cow, you missed a few…

    moo ram lad
    am lad room

    maybe you had them on a prior thread.

  70. Corey says:

    Slow here all of a sudden. I wonder why…

    I guess the NLCS Pizza Fight will have to wait.

  71. NYCmike says:

    Per Corey, “Crane and Reagan” = Rubio and Bush.

    I don’t know who Crane was, but to have ANY BUSH compared to Reagan is insulting.

    I am not convinced Rubio can even be Reagan, in terms of communication skills.

    And neither one of them consistently campaigns as the unabashed conservative Reagan was.

  72. DW says:

    link now at Drudge:

    TRUMP HITS W: ‘Say what you want, World Trade Center came down during his time’…

    Outside of being an obnoxious thing to say, this sort of thing is right out of the hard-left.

    Bill Clinton dropped the ball when he had his chance to get Osama, and if I recall correctly, there were still on going transitional issues throughout 2001 when Bush took over from Bill Clinton.

    Trump’s statement suggests culpability, and is the sort of stuff that rank and file Republicans have had to put up from the left for years now. Bush getting blamed for the levee breaking, Bush getting blamed for everything and anything.

    Trump piling on is not going to help him.

  73. Corey says:

    I think Rubio will do better than Crane did, but the arguments are the same.

  74. Corey says:

    Where you at, you thin crust lightweights?

  75. brucefdb says:

    18 – Jason – that was a pretty easy set-up but you did well with it. I liked it.

    21 – Jason – sorry, but I am right, you are wrong. The passage of Immigration Reform will cement the establishment of a permanent underclass.

    See you guys another time…..have fun.

  76. Corey says:

    Both Ronald Reagan and Jeb Bush were former Governors, running for the GOP nomination, years after leaving office. Unlike Jeb Bush, Reagan had run twice previously.

  77. Cash Cow ™ says:

    “#4 I know everyone identity on here and whoever doesn’t donate to Huckabee will have their real name revealed! :)”

    I’ll give 2 quarts of milk and a pint of cream.

  78. Corey says:

    Trump likes Presidents who don’t have the country attacked…

    He figured if conservatives wound up loving him for saying it about McCain’s war service…

  79. Corey says:

    NYC pizza is so flimsy, that even Pizza Rat gave up trying..

  80. Cash Cow ™ says:

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    madam or lo
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  81. Cash Cow ™ says:

    Having one tissue sneak through clothes washing check and making it into the washer with a load of clothes is just like one illegal alien sneaking into the U.S.

    Causes LOTS of problems for evryone…

  82. Corey says:


    All NLCS games to be in the evening, with the exception of a possible Game 6 Saturday afternoon.

  83. Wes says:

    Corey’s really desperate now. Saying JEB! Bush is Ronald Reagan to Marco Rubio’s Phil Crane is the height of chutzpah.

  84. Corey says:

    And how exactly did I say that Wes?

    You ok these days? Really?

  85. Wes says:

    Of course Ciorey overlooks the fact that Reagan had run for President twice before 1980, once almost unseating a sitting President in his own primary. JEB! has been too afraid to run for anything since his last victory in 2002. Now all of a sudden, a decade and a half later, JEB! expects to be President. If the GOP’s going to nominate candidates who haven’t run for office since 2002, why don’t they nominate a Dole-Coleman ticket? Both Dole and Coleman held office after JEB! left the Governor’s Mansion and ran for office well after him. 🙄

  86. Corey says:

    I don’t get those arguments at all, but even if they are good ones, why would I or anyone else listen to you on anything related to any Bush?

    It’s like asking PETA for their review of a BBQ joint.

  87. Wes says:

    This all sort of reminds me of what was being said in 1979 about the Presidential candidacy of Congressman Phil Crane (based on what I have read.)

    Reagan was running for President, and everyone acknowledged that Crane and Reagan were close to identical on the issues, but that Crane was younger, not a candidate of “yesterday”, and did not have the same baggage as Reagan was said to have.

    Comment by Corey — October 16, 2015 @ 3:02 pm

    Do you even recall your own posts, Corey?

  88. Corey says:

    I don’t know what Jeb should have run for since leaving office as Governor. Running for President in 2008 or 2012 would not have made much sense with the “Bush fatigue” thing and he clearly sees himself as an executive and not as a legislator.

    His experience and record as Governor still make him relevant in my view, just as I think Ronald Reagan’s experience as Governor made him relevant in 1980.

    And unlike Elizabeth Dole and Norm Coleman, who unfortauntely were defeated for reelection, Jeb Bush was not, and even had a Republican elected to succeed him (though not a very good one), which differentiates him with Reagan, who unfortuantely saw Jerry Brown get his job.

  89. Corey says:

    Yes, saying that arguments “sort of remind me” of something is not at all the same thing as saying that I was directly comparing any people in any other regard.

    But your emotions may be getting the best of you. It’s hard for me to tell over the internet.

  90. Wes says:

    He was asked to run for Senate twice and had the option to return to the governorship. Instead, 14 years after his last campaign, JEB! expects to be the next President. At the very least, he should have tried to establish a national brand independent of GWB’s if he really planned to be President one day.

    Instead, he suddenly jumped into a presidential race full of much stronger contenders and has been running a campaign weak on all fronts except fundraising.

  91. DW says:

    So I guess Odom was an NBA player?

    I haven’t followed the NBA at all since the great Lakers Celtics rivalry in the 1980s.

  92. Wes says:

    Making a comparison is no longer making a comparison now to you, Corey?

    All right. I don’t even know where to begin with this one.

  93. Corey says:

    I believe Florida has term limits and he was not eligible to return as Governor. Even if that were not the case, eight years as Governor should be enough.

    When should he have run for the Senate? He would have blocked Rubio then.

    Maybe he doesn’t want to be a Senator.

    If he is such a “weak candidate”, then there should really be nothing for you to get worked up about.

  94. Corey says:

    One can make a comparison as it relates to arguments without inferring that A must equal A and B must equal B.

    You know that though.

  95. DW says:

    Reuters tracking updated through today, and it has Trump jumping right back up to almost as high as he has ever been.

    Trump 35
    Carson 19
    Bush 10.2
    Rubio 8.2
    Fiorina 7
    Cruz 5.9
    Paul 4.2
    Huckabee 3.5
    Christie 3.1
    Kasich 1.6
    Graham 0.5
    Santorum 0.3
    Jindal 0.1
    Pataki 0
    Gilmore 0

  96. Corey says:

    It’s deader in here than Greg Abbott’s future as an MLB analyst.

  97. Wes says:

    Florida has a two-term limit after which the Governor must sit out at least one election before running again. That’s the standard type of modified term limits for the majority of US governorships. As far as the Senate, JEB! was asked to challenge Nelson. How would that have blocked Rubio?

    JEB! is an objectively weak candidate as evidenced by his poor campaign that has left him in the middle of the pack despite all the money in his campaign and SuperPAC coffers. He’s done nothing to allay any concerns over his last name and is proving quite rusty on the campaign trail. Had he sought office more recently than 2002, he might be a better candidate. As it stands, he’s an entitled scion of a political family expecting to have the presidency because it’s his turn. Well, Charlie Crist thought it was his turn too. That didn’t work out so well.

    No, I’m not saying JEB! is a shallow enough self-seeker to go Indy once he becomes an afterthought in the primaries, but he clearly represents an outmoded sense of entitlement to an office at a time when insurgent candidates such as Carson and Trump clearly indicate Americans want something different from the Old Guard (though Trump and Carson come with their own problems and would be unsuccessful nominees for different reasons from why JEB! would be).

  98. Corey says:

    Eight years should be enough as Governor. Jeb Bush decided that, just as Ronald Reagan did in 1974, when he could have run again.

    The man did not want to be a Senator. He has helped the party in his state and others for many years though, even encouraging and organizing support for Rubio to run against Crist, when Crist was still a Republican. It’s too bad that Bill Nelson got reelected, but that’s not Jeb Bush’s fault.

    If he’s that bad of a candidate, I am not sure why you have to write so many words about him. He won’t get nominated, right?

    In case he is nominated though, you should vote for him in the general election, just like everybody else, even jason, says they would.

  99. Wes says:

    No. I voted for a Bush to be President twice. In the unlikely event JEB! does get the nomination, I’ll repeat what I did in 2008 and leave the presidential bubble blank. I refuse to vote for another Bush for anything.

  100. DW says:

    I just wrote up a lengthy piece, but dave’s filter ate it..thankfully I saved it first…so will post it piecemeal until I find what the problem is…

  101. DW says:

    part 1:

    “he clearly represents an outmoded sense of entitlement to an office at a time when insurgent candidates such as Carson and Trump clearly indicate Americans want something different from the Old Guard”

    Wes, I lifted this part of your statement to make another point. This is the same reason Hillary is doing poorly in the polls.

  102. DW says:

    part 2:

    The way the millennial generation thinks and acts is key here. They tend to be impatient with change, bold enough to take charge and go different directions than those who they replace, but then also tend to deconstruct and start from scratch. They throw the baby out with the bathwater and start clean. They also demand authenticity, and the greatest sin to them is hypocrisy.

  103. DW says:

    part 3:

    They have no interest in trying things that were conceived in minds from the past. They would rather fail trying something new than have mediocre results trying something tried before.

    So yes, this is why Trump does so well, he is so far out of the box in the perception of many. Same with Carson but in a different way. Its why voters are drawn to a communist like Sanders–its different–lets try that and see if it works they think.

  104. DW says:

    part 4:

    But go back and try another Bush? Go back and try the scandal plagued and hypocritically dishonest Hillary? That would be so 1990s. Think dinosaurs.

  105. Corey says:

    I don’t get the “entitlement” thing when it comes to Jeb.

    He obviously was Governor of a large state and has his own record. He is not going around saying he is entitled or complaining about the process.

    People may want to think that is what his motivation is because they really don’t have any problems with him on the issues, but it’s just not something that can actually be demonstrated on his end.

  106. DW says:

    part 5:

    Yes, Hillary gets the nomination and grabs 40% of the vote without spending a dime. That’s a given. But for the middle that can moved either way, the way our society has evolved has been in a direction away from old and already tried ideas, from obnoxious condescending leaders who feel entitled to rule, and entitled to try the same old ideas that have already failed.

    Hillary is the worst possible fit to appeal to the age. She is the mother of all anachronisms. Jeb Bush is only slightly better.

    Sanders is old, but has appeal on the front of new untried ideas.

    Trump has appeal even though everyone knows he is a jerk–at least he is outside of the box.

    Rubio on the other hand is a fresh face, a never tried before Hispanic nominee with a great story. If he can cast his campaign as a launch into new ideas, trashing the past mistakes, and build the trust of voters through personal authenticity, he walks away with the general election over Hillary. It won’t even be close.

  107. Corey says:

    Generally speaking the, “won’t even be close” thing should be used very cautiously. It seems like we have heard that on here before regarding past Presidential elections. Unless we somehow get to run against Bernie Sanders, the election will be close.

    But back to the other point, I don’t think the comparisons between Hillary and Jeb are valid.

    She lived in the White House and tried to greatly exert influence over the Presidency of her husband.

    Jeb Bush is a sibling, not a spouse, and unlike her, he certainly has his own record and set of accomplishments.

  108. DW says:

    108 – I did grant that Jeb was better than Hillary in the anachronism category.

    and the “won’t even be close” was if all the ifs I mentioned happen.

    Rubio could get the nomination and fail to make the right pitch to the age in which we live, and then commit gaffes that demonstrate hypocrisy and become evasive and suspicious…then it would be very close and he could lose.

  109. Soccer guru says:

    Hard to imagine, but Jeb is the runt of the Bush family.

    The only people excited by a Jeb run are the GW admin leftovers.

  110. Corey says:

    I understand that people on a political blog are very attuned to what they perceive as electability, whether their theories are right or not, but does someone being seen a “most electable”, whether true or not, necessarily mean they would be the best President?

  111. DW says:

    problem is, if someone is unelectable, there is no point in discussing whether or not that one would be a good president.

  112. Soccer guru says:

    half of the 8 percent that show up in polls for Jeb think it is GW running again.

    Low information voters!

  113. Corey says:

    If the other person is electable.

    I would not be supporting a candidate I did not think was electable, but the point is a general one.

  114. Diamond Jim says:


  115. Greymarch says:

    So Trump is now taking campaign donations from fellow rich people, which makes him beholden to special interests, Trump is a vaxxer, a senile old man, AND believes the US government was responsible for 9/11. Trump is a tire-fire of a human being:

  116. DW says:

    off for the weekend. Good luck to you and your Cubs Corey. Should be a fun series, may the best team win, and may there be no broken legs.

    I read several series previews, and found several that predict the Cubs would win the series, one in six games, another in seven. I only found one writer who said Mets would win the series, but it probably doesn’t count because it was Keith Hernandez.

  117. Corey says:

    Good luck as well! Have a good weekend all.

  118. Robbie says:

    Huckabee, Paul, Kasich, and Christie are all in danger of not making the debate stage in two weeks. The cutoff is 2.5% and right now Huckabee and Paul are just above the cutoff. Just barely, though.

    On the other hand, Kasich and Christie sit at 2.3 and 1.7 respectively. Both are very low on money. In fact, Christie only has $1.4 million COH. Not making the debate stage could be deadly for both.

    Last week, there were rumors Kasich was set to become the next Scott Walker. Right now though, I have to wonder if it isn’t Christie who is likely to be the next goner. Just the other day, Ken Langone, Christie’s biggest backer, went on Bloomberg and said Kasich would be his fallback if Christie quits.

  119. Cory says:

    DW, you need to give up this incorrect assumption you’ve made that Trump’s popularity comes from young people. It’s exactly the opposite.

  120. Scooter, whose implant will never deflate like Tom Brady's balls says says:

    Corey- “I don’t know what Jeb should have run for since leaving office as Governor. Running for President in 2008 or 2012 would not have made much sense with the “Bush fatigue” thing.”

    By the way, the Bush fatigue thing still exists.

  121. MD says:

    So if Bush and Rubio are the same on the issues why would we not want Rubio who provides a clear contrast to Hillary who is likely to be the Dem candidate?

  122. MD says:



  123. MD says:


    It does. Fair to Jeb! No. Life isn’t fair.

  124. Scooter, whose implant will never deflate like Tom Brady's balls says says:

    125. You can say that again.

    Unlike the “Bush fatigue” that does exist, I live in Southern Illinois, which doesn’t exist.

    At least not in the minds of the Chicago Politicians, who make all the decisions.

  125. Bitterlaw says:

    If Bush was the best candidate and I thought he could win the GE, I would vote for him. I don’t think that he is either one.

  126. Bitterlaw says:

    Scooter – This was MD’s favorite show growing up.

  127. Scooter, whose implant will never deflate like Tom Brady's balls says says:

    128. Never heard of it. I don’t recall MD requesting that to be shown at the Monthly, A-hole movie night.

  128. Bitterlaw says:

    This woman was in my high school class. Ridgewood HS, 1986. She was really nice and outgoing. I hope she gets the job/

  129. Scooter, whose implant will never deflate like Tom Brady's balls says says:

    Biden just needs to make a decision. I don’t think the die hard Hillary fans are going to be very happy with Biden attempting to play the spoiler.

  130. Scooter, whose implant will never deflate like Tom Brady's balls says says:


  131. Bitterlaw says:


  132. Bitterlaw says:

    YOU’RE NOT DEAF! Everybody is whispering to F with you.

  133. Scooter, whose implant will never deflate like Tom Brady's balls says says:

    134. I KNEW IT….. BASTARDS !!!!!

  134. Scooter, whose implant will never deflate like Tom Brady's balls says says:

    How am I ever going to get the CC, if you continue to whisper? This is not fair.

  135. Bitterlaw says:

    I am pleased to report that I have cleared the background check, child abuse clearance, and fingerprint check. I can now coach Girls 6th/7th grade basketball. I will try to improve upon last year’s 8-5 record.

  136. Cory says:

    Trump’s best demo is old white people. Cruz’s is young men. Bush is better among women.

    If you look at crosstabs of each poll, these trends will reveal themselves.

  137. Scooter, whose implant will never deflate like Tom Brady's balls says says:

    Bitter told me to make my own fun, so I wrote a quick poem for Corey. It would have been better if I had more time. Perhaps I’ll add more later.

    Twas the night before the Series
    And all through the house
    Corey was chasing his woman
    Attempting to undue her blouse

    For he was just so excited
    His feelings, he could not control
    The Cubs being this close to the series
    Had begun to start taking it’s toll

    He began to start thinking of all the year’s past
    Of season’s that turned so depressingly blue
    Like the time that poor Bartman, snatched up the ball
    That should have been caught by Alou

    Corey says to himself, “I think it’s our year”
    “I believe this time might be fate”
    I hope God heard what he said, and puts this thing to bed
    After all, it has been since 1908.

  138. Mr.Vito says:

    “Bush is better among women.”



  139. Bitterlaw says:

    I saw what you did there, Mr. Vito.

  140. Walt says:

    Alex Mooney in WV CD 2 will have at least one primary challenger in 2016.

    Don’t really know myuch about him.
    This from his press release today…

    “Marc Savitt, who lives in Jefferson County, has been a fixture in the state’s business community for more than 30 years. He is the owner of The Mortgage Center, West Virginia’s oldest mortgage company. His experience as a job creator and problem solver has earned him a seat at the table as a frequent expert witness before Congress, where he has testified over a dozen times before the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate. For the past 16 years, he has chaired two national trade associations, who defend small business and consumers in Washington. When he’s not testifying, Marc regularly meets with federal agencies, who he feels have too much power.”

  141. Cash Cow ™ says:

    Carson and Trump demand no more than 2 hour debate or they boycott.

    Say they were tired of being on their feet for over 2 hours.


    Walt was usually on his feet all day teaching school. Well actually is was a little over 3 hours…

  142. Cash Cow ™ says:

    My Mexican cow relatives sent me this report on El Chapo, the escaped drug lord who the Federalies are hot on the heals of.

    If he could only excape into the U.S. he could hide out here safely for eternity.

  143. Mr.Vito says:

    “Say they were tired of being on their feet for over 2 hours.”

    Low energy?

  144. Mr.Vito says:

    Did Carly wear heels? If she stood in heels for three hours without complaining, them Carson and Trump need to man up.

  145. SoHope says:

    “Bush is better among women.”
    Maybe in the seventies and the eighties but times have changed

  146. Cash Cow ™ says:


    Drone Downs Turkey on Syrian Border…
    Wait…check that…it is:

    Turkey Downs Drone on Syria Border…
    (Turkey, the country–not the bird)

  147. Cash Cow ™ says:


    Who’s my daddy…

  148. Scooter, whose implant will never deflate like Tom Brady's balls says says:

    What? Don’t I get any love for my poem?

  149. Scooter, whose implant will never deflate like Tom Brady's balls says says:

    “Bush is better among women.”


    What the heck kind of porno site is this turning into?

  150. Cash Cow ™ says:


    I smiled and nodded approvingly when I read your poem.

    Did you not see that?

  151. Bitterlaw says:

    150.What? Don’t I get any love for my poem?

    When did we become a bunch of chicks?

  152. Mr.Vito says:

    That’s what happens when you lay an egg…

  153. Bitterlaw says:

    I know that there are many reasons that Hillary will not be the nominee. I still think she gets it unless she is in jail.

  154. Bitterlaw says:

    Democrats who support Sanders are like Republicans who support Cruz. They like the message regardless of whether it can win. Diiscuss,

  155. MichiganGuy says:

    If Biden gets in I think Hillary’s chances are 50/50

  156. MichiganGuy says:

    (millions of dollars)
    All Candidates 269.5
    Republicans 142.9
    Democrats 126.6
    Clinton (D) 76.1
    Sanders (D) 41.2
    Carson (R) 31.3
    Cruz (R) 26.4
    Bush (R) 24.8
    Rubio (R) 13.6
    Paul (R) 9.3
    Fiorina (R) 8.4
    Walker (R) 7.4
    Trump (R) 5.7
    Graham (R) 4.7
    Kasich (D) 4.4
    Christie (R) 4.2
    Huckabee (R) 3.2
    O’Malley (D) 3.2
    Perry (R) 1.3
    Jindal (R) 1.2
    Lessig (D) 1.0
    Santorum (R) 1.0
    Webb (D) 0.7
    Pataki (R) 0.4

  157. MichiganGuy says:

    The FEC must think Kasich is running in the democrat primary.

  158. MichiganGuy says:

    Is everyone sleeping in today?

  159. MichiganGuy says:

    Huckabee “If Republicans want to make sure they lose absolutely every election, let’s go out there and tell people that we’re going to steal from them and lie to them and take Social Security benefits and cut them.”

  160. DW says:

    My point earlier about Trump was clear. Sure he has support among all demographics, but the millennial generation voters who support him, and there are many, do so because Trump is willing to deconstruct and start over. They see in him someone not stuck to the old ideas of the past, which is how they see Hillary. Again, I am talking about the segment of the voting populace who are persuadable, not the 40% or so each party already has locked up by default.

  161. Greymarch says:

    This morning, Trump is dodging his old-man crazy 9/11 birther comments from last night. Trump the coward, on full display, as usual:

  162. NYCmike says:

    -Of course, the last line is the most obvious problem: “I’ve listed five reasons why I’m taking a second look at Cruz, but I don’t want to understate my skepticism of his chance of winning. He still hasn’t addressed the No. 1 reason I thought his campaign would have trouble: support from the party actors. In campaigns since 1980, no candidate hated by the establishment has won.”

  163. marc says:

    I can’t take another 11 person debate. Make the cut off 5% .

  164. ameister says:

    HE’s Baaack. Good halloween costume opportunity if you live in Florida. Get out the fake tan spray.

  165. Wes says:

    You know, I said I wanted Charlie Crist to be Florida’s Harold Stassen. I guess I’m getting my wish.

  166. Wes says:

    Crist is now 2-3 in statewide elections in Florida. I guess he’s decided to try for something potentially less elusive.

  167. SoHope says:

    Trump was a democrat during the GWB administration (2001-2008) so it’s a given he hates GWB. He also said the GOP was too far right as the reason he left.

  168. SoHope says:

    * In July 1987, Trump first registered from his penthouse in Manhattan’s Trump Tower. He enrolled in the REPUBLICAN PARTY, listing his prior residence as his boyhood home in Jamaica Estates, Queens.

    * Twelve years later, in October 1999, Trump dumped the GOP, and enrolled in the INDEPENDENCE PARTY.

    * Less than two years later, in August 2001, Trump again changed his party enrollment. This time, he emerged as a member of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

    * He lasted eight years as a Democrat. In September 2009, Trump changed his affiliation, this time returning to the REPUBLICAN PARTY.

    * As of press time, Trump’s latest party switch occurred six weeks ago, on December 21, when he again ditched the GOP. But instead of siding with a particular party, Trump checked off the box indicating “I DO NOT WISH TO ENROLL IN A PARTY.”

  169. W. PA Observer says:

    168. If any Dem can lose that redrawn district, he can.

  170. Ben Fiorina says:

    No I am not Bonncruso

    I was a Democrat till 2010 and left the party cause of Obama!

  171. Ben Fiorina says:

    No I am not Bonncruso

    I was a Democrat till 2010 and left the party cause of Obama!

  172. Tina says:

    I agree it should candidates polling at 5 percent, or higher. No rounding up either.

    Let it be only 5 or 6 candidates.

    And no jv debate. Tired of goober.

  173. scooterboy says:

    Oh my gosh!!!! The final play of the Michigan vs Michigan State game was unbelievable.

  174. Mr.Vito says:

    Yep, Ridiculous ending.

  175. Walt says:

    Checking in.

    After packing things up this morning, it was a travel day to go to the state capitol.
    I and my trusty assistant Cash Cow made it here safely.

    We listened on the radio to part of WVU getting chewed up by Baylor. WVU could go 0 for October.

    Did have an off the record, secret 2-hour meeting today where info was exchanged and enlightenment was had.

    Slammed with meetings on Sun. and Mon.

  176. Cash Cow ™ says:

    On the QT….

    Do not expect WV Gov. Tomblin to run for any office in 2016 or beyond. Word is that when he finishes his term in 2016, he is retiring from politics.

  177. Cash Cow ™ says:

    Also, apparently President Obama will be coming to the capitol on Wed.

    Word is that he wanted to wait til Walt was out of town and back home before he alit here.

  178. DW says:

    Mets hero from game 5 against the Dodgers just homered again…1-0 Mets in the first.

  179. MichiganGuy says:

    Michigan State Wins on Mishandled Michigan Punt

  180. Walt says:

    I think Joe Biden eventually gets in.

    Why has he not done so yet?

    He MUST do it in the next few weeks because he (as I understand it) is running very close to various state deadlines on getting on the primary ballot?

    You KNOW Obama will help him a lot (no love lost for Hillary and the Clintons, Joe would be another 4 years of Obama policies–like GHWB was considered another 4 y

  181. Walt says:


    Laptop issues here. For some reason it sent 1/2 of my post before I was finished typing.


    I retyped a very long and thoughtful replacement post and went to send it and it disappeared and defaulted to hotel sign-on web page.

    I will not retype all the reasons why it looks to me like Joe will run, nor all my questions and thoughts about what might be his path in the D primary.

  182. DW says:

    Mets up 3-1 in the 6th

  183. Walt says:

    28 FL
    35 LSU

    LSU just scored on a fake field goal?
    10 minutes left in 4th quarter

  184. MichiganGuy says:

    Walt, I agree I think Biden will get in. Maybe as soon as Monday.

  185. Walt says:

    At the hotel I can get all kinds of TV stations.

    I could watch (for the first time ever) the Walking Dead.

    Instead I am watching some sort of alien invasion.

    The aliens just destroyed the John Paul Jones–but the USS John Paul Jones did take out a number of the alien ships before it bit the dust.

  186. SoHope says:

    That sounds remencent to a hasbro boardgame.

  187. MichiganGuy says:

    I’m watching the Mets/Cubs game. I’m surprise they are leaving Harvey in.

  188. MichiganGuy says:

    Now they take Harvey out after he gives up a home run.

  189. Walt says:


    It was in and around the Hawaiian Islands. Obama was president. The aliens had slit eyes like snakes and could not take sunlight. They killed many and took over some island where a lot of big telescopes and disks were pointed to the heavens. The aliens were trying to get control of them to contact other aliens to come to earth to destroy the humans.

    The aliens sent two large spinning metal discs that cut through the metal plates of USS John Paul Jones as if it was nothing.

    I do not see the Americans win because I had to go out and get a sub sandwich to eat for supper.

    Maybe it was called Battleship? I dunno for sure.

  190. MichiganGuy says:

    Mets win!

  191. Walt says:

    With the marvels of TV, the same movie is now starting over from the beginning.

    I think it is called “Battleship.”

    so now I get to see the first several hours plus the big fight ending….(the parts I missed).

    the movie has a very hot long haired blind chick.

  192. MichiganGuy says:

    “so now I get to see the first several hours plus the big fight ending”
    Walt, how long is this movie?

  193. Walt says:

    heh. TYPO~~~!

    very hot long haired BLOND chick.

    Not blind.

  194. Walt says:


    Apparently it is 131 minute long movie.

    But I am stuck in a hotel room with nothing to do tonight….

  195. Walt says:

    About the movie “Battleship”

  196. Walt says:


    Diamond Jim?

  197. Diamond Jim says:


  198. jason says:


    Trump 24
    Fiorina 15
    Carson 14
    Rubio 11

    That’s a drop for Trump, big gain for Fiorina.

  199. MichiganGuy says:

    #201 that CNN poll is either from last month or the numbers haven’t changed.

  200. DW says:

    Mets got the win they needed with Arrieta looming in game 2 tonight.

    Go to Wrigley for game 3 series tied 1-1 and probably only having to face Arrieta once more.

    Look for a short leash tonight on Syndergaard. He is coming back on three days rest–something I think is a little foolish to try. He pitched one inning of relief in Game 5 on Thursday, but had over 50 warm-up throws before getting into the game.

    So going up against Arreita, if Syndergaard falters early, he gets pulled to get him good rest for Game 6.

  201. Tina says:

    I doubt that the cnn poll is current. Fiorina was going down to 5 o6 in other polls.

  202. scooterboy says:

    Still can’t believe the ending to the Michigan vs Michigan State game yesterday. Has to be one of the most devestating losses in Michigan history. On top of that, a Michigan fan had heart attack following that game. Also, the Michigan State player who scored the winning touchdown, was injured in the victory celebration.

    When are people gonna learn, that it’s not such a good idea to allow 300 pound men to pile on top of a player, in celebration of a victory.

  203. lisab says:

    so david vitter is against abortion …

    except for prostitutes he is hiring

    and is for sex abstinence …

    just not for him?

    not exactly plato’s republican is he

  204. lisab says:

    new study

    UN climate reports are increasingly unreadable

    Summary documents by intergovernmental panel are packing in longer sentences and more complex words than ever before.

    The climate summary findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are becoming increasingly unreadable, a linguistics analysis suggests.

    IPCC summaries are intended for non-scientific audiences. Yet their readability has dropped over the past two decades, and reached a low point with the fifth and latest summary published in 2014, according to a study published in Nature Climate Change.

  205. Bitterlaw says:

    Penn State lost 38-10 to The Ohio State University. Michael to tell us the Penn State is a national powerhouse in 3…2…1…

  206. lisab says:

    only in florida

    “Man Knocked Out by Hot Sauce in Fight Over Graham Crackers”

    Police say a man threw a hot sauce bottle and knocked his victim unconscious in a fight over graham crackers in Florida.

    Riveria Beach police say Shawn Deandre Thomas was eating graham crackers this week at a church that provides meals for the homeless. Authorities said Thomas became upset when someone asked for his crackers so he picked up a bottle of hot sauce and allegedly threw it at the man’s head, knocking him unconscious.

  207. lisab says:

    one question …

    why is a church that is feeding the homeless

    giving them hot sauce and graham crackers?

    do they not like the homeless?

  208. scooterboy says:

    211. Probably because Christians hate the homeless about as much as they hate homosexuals. You know, seeing as how they like to throw them off buildings and such.

  209. Wes says:

    I never could get outraged over Bill Clinton’s personal peccadilloes. I feel the same way about David Vitter. Given the types of politicians Louisiana has elected in the past, I’m not at all sure they will either.