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Trump Leads Clinton By 27% in WV

I said earlier tonight before the results were known in Indiana that it was basically over and now that Ted Cruz has dropped out, it is. Well at least we can be confident that Donald Trump might keep the state of West Virginia will remain in the Republican column according to Public Policy Polling.

PRESIDENT – WEST VIRGINIA (PPP)
Trump 57%
Clinton 30%

Kasich 52%
Clinton 27%

GOVERNOR – WEST VIRGINIA (PPP)
Jim Justice (D) 41%
Bill Cole (R) 35%

Bill Cole (R) 39%
Booth Goodwin (D) 33%

Bill Cole (R) 40%
Jeff Kessler (D) 30%

This poll was done April 29=May 1 among 1201 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 9:06 pm
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237 Responses to “Trump Leads Clinton By 27% in WV”

  1. Waingro says:

    First!

  2. Waingro says:

    So is Larry gonzo?

  3. Tina says:

    No more larry?

    Where is my fav attorney?

  4. Chicon says:

    Question…how is Trump going to overcome the itty-bitty problem he has with women? I saw an ad in Wisconsin in which his anti-women lines were read by ordinary women – very effective. If you had to develop a plan for Trump to deal with this issue, what would you do?

  5. Bitterlaw says:

    Dave – I understand your gloom and I share it. However, please keep HHR going. It is a great site. Besides, do you really want this crowd unleashed upon the real world without a place to post?

  6. biomom says:

    4. Indiana exits say Trump one women 46 to 42.

  7. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump says he is going to bring us all together. Can he heal the crack in the A-holes?

  8. Bitterlaw says:

    biomom – Repulican women. So, when he loses 100% of Democratic women and Independent women, that will get him his 30% of support among women.

  9. BayernFan says:

    He goes after Hillary as an enabler to a sexual predator and spearheaded attacks on women who were victims.

  10. BayernFan says:

    I’m just happy we have a nominee who will get into the gutter with the Clintons and have fun doing so.

  11. Chicon says:

    I did not want Trump, and I think he’s gonna get a beatin’, but it is going to be fun to watch him tear into the Clintons.

  12. Chicon says:

    9. Ok, Bay. What else? Gotta have something to draw them, not just against Hillary.

  13. Chicon says:

    Sanders wins IN

  14. Waingro says:

    Dan McLaughlin ?@baseballcrank 34s34 seconds ago

    Prediction markets have Hillary with a 71.9% chance of being President. Buy low. https://electionbettingodds.com

  15. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon- How does he tear into Hillary? Every time he rips her, she will just say, “You said I would be a great President. Thank you for your support/”

  16. Chicon says:

    He’ll say he was simply buying her, like everyone else was.

  17. Walt says:

    Nice to see the new WV poll.

    Cash Cow and I are 4 hours away from my home. Was asked to speak tomorrow morning to the state retired school employees group gathering.

    After arriving here by car, had dinner at the hotel and catching up on things. Scanning through all the cable channels, like a kid with a new toy.

  18. Chicon says:

    Bitter – he will attack every scandal and mistake she’s ever made. I’m with Marv; I think it will be closer than current polls suggest. Then again, it may be a large case of denial…..

  19. BayernFan says:

    So did Trump over perform his polling again?

  20. Bitterlaw says:

    Is Sanders giving his speech in a parking garage?

  21. Walt says:

    I’d say those WV poll numbers are just about right.

    JUST TODAY (AFTER the WV poll posted was done), R governor candidate Bill Cole heartily endorsed Trump and tied himself to him at the hip. With Trump guaranteed to beat Hillary in WV by 20 points of more in Nov. , this is not a bad move for Cole politically.

    Ironically, the WV Ds cannot play the “don’t vote for a billionaire who has no government experience card” against Trump, beause the D frontrunner for governor nomination is WV billionaire Jim Justice.

  22. wvally says:

    LOL Bitter I think I heard a car shifting gears.

  23. Michael says:

    I will not be voting for Trump come November.

  24. Tina says:

    Ok, half hour before tiip off.

    I see th basletball ring.

    Bye gang.

  25. Walt says:

    I have seen the results of Indiana.

    No surprised about Trump winning, as expected.
    Was surprised about Cruz dropping out now.

    The BIG silver lining in the Indiana election cloud is Bernie fried Hillary again.
    *****************************************
    Cow chimes in to add: “Fusterclucking march over the cliff on both sides continues…”

  26. Walt says:

    How many of the posters here have one or more relatives (or themselves) who are millenials who often are short on money and just scraping by financially–who also have a number of tatoos?

    I do.

  27. Eastman says:

    Congratulations, Senator-Elect Maggie Hassan!

  28. Eastman says:

    Tomorrow, the msm will fawn over Trump’s destruction of the GOP.

    On Thursday, the msm will go whole hog negative against him with every hit piece they’ve been holding on to throughout the primaries.

  29. Walt says:

    If a millenial suddenly found that they had a surplus of $200, what would they typical millenial do with it?

    A. save it
    B. rush out and get more tatoos
    C. send it as a campaign donation to Bernie Sanders
    D. rush out and buy $200 or even $250 worth of stuff
    E. something else

  30. Robbie says:

    Which carnival barker candidate will the entertainment wing of the party get behind in 2020?

    If I had to guess, I think there’s a good chance Sarah Palin may give it a go in 2020. Why? She saw the power of celebrity and she really wants to be president.

    Normally, a landslide loss purges the party of the idiots who lead the party to disaster. Unfortunately, I doubt the idiots will have learned the lesson so I expect more stupidity in 2020.

  31. Tim says:

    #23:
    If not, then what will you do?

  32. BayernFan says:

    Hollingsworth won IN9

  33. Tim says:

    #11:
    Here’s a word to the wise……..they tear back.

  34. Wes says:

    To be fair, Tim, Hillary didn’t exactly do very well when she went head to head with Obama.

    I have a hard time imagining Trump will win, but realistically it’s not in his nature to stand idly by while Hillary savages him and frames things to her liking.

  35. Chicon says:

    I said it would be fun, not effective in the end.

  36. Jill says:

    Well at least the blood letting in the primary is over. I believe the wrong candidate was chosen as our nominee, but obviously a lot of people saw something in Trump that I don’t.

    I had always intended to vote for the ultimate nominee, but I’m no longer sure I can. The ugly conspiracy smear Trump peddled about Cruz’s father was very disturbing. I won’t vote for Hillary, but I’m going to sit back and assess this carefully. I may leave the top spot blank or vote Libertarian.

    Trump will have to work very hard to heal the break he caused with his ugly campaign. Assuming he cares to do so.

    In the meantime I’m going to relax and break out the popcorn watching two rotten, despicable people tear each other to shreds. Gotta find the humor somewhere! This is going to be like a re-run of the Iran-Iraq war! Sometimes it’s a pity one side has to win…..

  37. Chicon says:

    35. Exactly. He will absolutely attack.

  38. Wes says:

    Hillary is having a hard time putting away an aging socialist she was supposed to have dispatched three plus months ago. Barring Lehman Brothers Redux–yes, I know what Jason and Robbie think on this ussue–Hillary almost certainly wins, but she’s not proved exactly adept in beating back serious opponents. Thus, Tim, trying to frighten people by saying Hillary will return fire on Trump hardly means very much.

  39. Bitterlaw says:

    Hillary just has to run one ad:

    Donald Trump – “Hillary Clinton would be a great President.”

    Hillary – “I’m Hillary Clinton and I approve this message.”

  40. Bitterlaw says:

    I would rather read Tim’s posts than those of the Trump trolls.

  41. Wes says:

    She probably wins, but it won’t be that easy, Bitter.

    Mary Landrieu tried that same thing against Bill Cassidy.

    Result:

    Cassidy-56

    Landrieu-44

  42. Chicon says:

    39. Also, many of the Republican candidates dropped out shortly after getting in the mud with Trump. That didn’t work well for them, will it for Hillary?

  43. Wes says:

    On this, I actually agree with the Trumpkins. Americans are often forgiving of politicians who change their minds. If Trump claims to have reevaluated Hillary in the last decade and changed his view of her, an ad featuring his former endorsement of her loses potency.

    She needs to play up his racism, bigotry, and misogyny to put him away.

  44. Diogenes says:

    @ Wes – What are the Demographics of Lousiana? Now how about the rest of the nation? Trump takes traditional swing states like Colorado, Florida, and Virginia off the table and gives them to Hillary. He opens the playing field … where?

    He’s behind Hillary significantly, often by double digits, in the Rust belt. Blue Collar whites are suppose to be his base, but apparently it’s just the racist ones he’s winning. The rest, especially the women among them aren’t biting.

    Don’t worry, he still has plenty of time to win them. He can just talk about how he’ll punish them for having abortions and how his campaign manager regularly attacks female reporters. He has the election in the bag!

  45. Trump says:

    Don’t worry,folks.

    Kasich will be the nominee. He said he has friends on the Rules Committee.

  46. Trump says:

    Here comes the racist pig.

  47. Trump says:

    Trump is the best candidate that the Republicans have.

  48. Trump says:

    I guess Beck’s fasting did not work.

    I hate to speak for God, but it seems even he does not care much for Cruz.

  49. Trump says:

    Somehow, all the fevered talk of contested/brokered convention has died down.

    What happened?

  50. Chicon says:

    Yep, it’s all over. Why even try? Lotta quitters here.

  51. Trump says:

    Cruz should have gone looking for voters, instead of delegates.

    I guess they can still vote for him on the second ballot.

  52. Trump says:

    This is what happens to a party that betrays its voters.

    Not my words, btw, it is what your voters have been telling you.

    Tonight was the final 2×4 to the head.

  53. Robbie says:

    Wes

    The reason I disagree with your view Trump can win with a Lehman-like collapse is the demographics. I see nothing that leads me to believe any significant portion of the non-white vote (30% in 2016) is going to peel away from Clinton even in an economic collapse. If this was 1992 or even 2000, I might agree. But in 2016, I just don’t see it.

  54. Walt says:

    Cash Cow and I just watched the last 1/3 of the mvie “Lone Survivor” about when 19 (or whatever) of America’s best lost their lives in combat in Afghanistan. Lots of taliban a**holes did a lot of damage, incuding hitting a rescue helo with RPG and causing more deaths. But the Americans (all or at least many of them were SEALs) took out a lot of the devils…

    One lone American soldier survives…is actually protected and helped by people in one village of people in ‘Gannystan (showing there are are least SOME good people who live in that hell hole).

    All those great America top notch soldiers–young men between 22 and 36, most in their 30s–giving their all in the call to duty. [About the same age as my two sons…]

    When the Apaches and rescue guys came to the village to rescue the last survivor and engaged the Taliban attacking the village to get and kill the American soldier…well I said out loud “Kill ALL them S.O.B.s. (the Tallywackers attacking the village). Come on, Kill them ALL.

    I know that was probably wrong of me to say that, but I hope God can forgive my saiying that and the way I feel.
    ***********************************************
    At the end of the movie, it shows photos of each of the brave soldiers who died, some with their wives and young sons and daughters–that suddenly now had to face the rest of their own lives without their Dad and husband.
    ********************************
    This cable channel is rolling the same movie again from the start, not sure I can watch it all…

    May God bless all who serve in harms way.

  55. Wes says:

    I guess you didn’t look at everything I said, Diogenes. I said Hillary beats Trump unless the economy tanks.

    I also said a single ad showing his former endorsement of her won’t do it.

    She has to play up his racism, bigotry, and misogyny to win.

    An ad like what Bitter proposed wouldn’t win her the race because it’s too easily dismissed.

    I brought up the Landrieu-Cassidy comparison precisely to show saying X endorsed Y a decade ago isn’t enough to win unless bolstered by something more substantial.

  56. Diogenes says:

    The electoral math is pretty much impossible for Republicans. They needed to go for a grand strategy that secures a competitive amount of the hispanic vote in order to remain relevant in presidential elections. That means at least 40% because there is no way they can win critical swing states like Colorado, Virginia, and Florida otherwise.

    But they have nominated an angrier, more ignorant and narcissistic version of Pete Wilson which means that for the foreseeble future they are locked out of the white house. The senate should be reliably democratic in the future too. The demographic trends are just that far against the Republicans given their current stances on the issues.

    Their huge deficit with women and minority voters is almost impossible to overcome even when the dems mess up.

  57. Walt says:

    Catching up on what I missed when I was on the road today at HHR.

    Thanks Guys, for the tips on how to find out how high the planes are as they pass my house.

    Bitter,
    My interest is this is pure.
    I want to make sure if I set off fireworks on July 4 in my backyard that it will not impact the airspace of the planes on approach. 🙂

    “chicon says:
    May 3, 2016 at 12:40 pm
    Walt – you can track flights on Flightaware.com. Just find a flight heading into Dulles, and track into all the way in. You’ll see a map that will show you the altitude in the general vicinity of your house.

    BayernFan says:
    May 3, 2016 at 12:41 pm
    You can ask Siri “what flights are above me” and a list of flights in your vicinity will appear.”

  58. Wes says:

    Huey Long said the exact same thing about Franklin Roosevelt in 1932, Robbie.

    We all know how that worked out.

  59. JulStol says:

    Not for nothing…a LOT of my Sanders supporting friends are coming out for Trump tonight.

  60. Trump says:

    When Wobbie says something, do the exact opposite.

    He is a reliable contrary indicator.

  61. Trump says:

    Besides being stupid, of course.

  62. Trump says:

    Kasich camp: “it is up to us to stop Trump”

    That’s the spirit!

    Says the tam that just got 7.6 percent in Indiana.

  63. Waingro says:

    Justin Amash Verified account
    ?@justinamash

    Soon.

  64. Eastman says:

    At least the good people of Idaho will finally get a chance to see what it’s like to live in a presidential swing state!

    In all seriousness, Clinton could put states like Montana in play. Obama only lost that in 2008 by 2 points. Sure, Clinton’s a far worse candidate than Obama, but Trump is a far worse candidate than McCain.

  65. Trump says:

    Cruz got trumped by Indiana values.

  66. wvally says:

    Thank you for sharing that, Walt. My younger brother served two tours in Afghanistan in 2007 and 2009. Ironically, he was against the Iraq invasion, and is generally anti-interventionist. I argued with him so much about it back then!

    But my father was in the Army, as I’ve said before, and instilled service to our country in us. John saw that men of his generation were fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and felt it was his duty to take part. So he joined in 2006 and off he went to war. He lost many friends but came back whole.

  67. wvally says:

    And by the way, my brother and his millennial friends are Bernie supporters. But if he’s not in the running, they’re all voting Trump.

  68. janz says:

    This primary has been a numbing experience. However, I’m starting to think that maybe Trump will end up surprising people in a positive way. At least it’s worth giving him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise, in what has become a general election contest, from this time forward.

  69. Trump says:

    Can somebody please post that Trump has ZERO chance of getting the nomination?

    ZERO. In capital letters.

    Want to go back to those happy days.

  70. Walt says:

    wvally,

    Glad your brother came home safely.
    Many, sadly, did not.

  71. BayernFan says:

    God wants Cruz on the Supreme Court.

  72. Walt says:

    I have to do my speech in the morning, sometime betwen 9 and 10:30 a.m.

    Over and out…

    Go Bernie!
    Give Hillary a heart attack; make her burn money clear to the convention; rend the Ds apart!

  73. Trump says:

    Wisconsin proved to be the turning point in the GOP race.

    As Cruz predicted.

  74. Trump says:

    I think Cruz dropping out tonight is just a head fake.

    He will now steal all the delegates without anyone looking.

  75. TomWill says:

    Does Trump really want the nomination?

    After Hillary is done with him, Martin Shkreli will be more popular than Trump.

    Trump might end up feeling suicidal when this is all over.

  76. Ron N says:

    Yep just like the primary that he couldn’t win like all of the pundits said until the people voted. And if u don’t think the economy sucks for most of the people out here u must believe we also have only 5% unemployment. You are not living out here in the real world we will see when the people vote in Nov. Because Hillary is such a great candidate she can’t even put away a socialist.

  77. BayernFan says:

    Jindal endorses Trump

  78. skilaki says:

    This is so entertaining, watching all the anti-Trump posters wallowing in self-pity. Anyone here claiming that Hillary will win more than likely also said months ago that Trump would never win the nomination. Well guess what…you are wrong.

    All of you complaining about tonight, you have no one to blame but the GOP themselves. They are nothing but a party that is more comfortable fighting its own base rather than fighting Obama, the Democrats and their leftist agenda. The GOP has caved more times than Neville Chamberlain did against Hitler. They would rather serve and protect their own interests than the people they supposedly represent. They do not wish to govern. All they want to do is enjoy their positions, along with the perks and power that comes with it while giving us the finger.

    Well guess what…we are giving the finger right back to you. We are tired of being taken for granted. We are tired of being shunned. We are tired of being despised. We are looking for someone to stand up for us and fight back because we are sick and tired and angry as hell. What the hell have Boehner, Ryan and McConnell done for us…? If this means the destruction of the GOP, then so be it. They deserve it anyway.

    President Trump. Get used to it. It will happen. Hillary is the most overrated candidate ever and she will be exposed so badly that not even the media will be able to save her. If she is having this much trouble against Bernie, wait until Trump launches broadsides against her. You see, unlike McCain and Romney, Trump knows politics is a dirty game and also knows that being nice will get you killed.

    Again, don’t blame Trump and his supporters for your anger. Direct your anger at the GOP for being too timid to do their job. Had they done so, we would never have been in this position. Even Neville Chamberlain had enough with caving in and declared war on Hitler.

    When will the GOP do so against anyone besides its own base?

  79. pw says:

    70 Trump
    Well, Michael Harrington of Redstate said it was not even 1%. I wonder if he’s increased his forecast, as he made it after NY.

  80. pw says:

    19: As of now, Trump’s up 53-37. NBC/WSJ/Marist had him +15, and Gravis had him +17. Those two did quite well. In fairness, some of the other pollsters that had him up (FOX by 8, CBS by 5, Howey by 6) didn’t even bother polling this week.

  81. Bitterlaw says:

    Now that Trump is the nominee, will “Trump” drop the act and reveal their true identity?

  82. MichiganGuy says:

    OK, now that the election is over and Hillary is going to be the next President. On to more important things. Check this out!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNKRxsNyOho

  83. pw says:

    Approx. 28,000 IN GOP primary voters voted for Carson, Bush, Rubio, Paul, Christie and Fiorina. LOL!

  84. John Falco says:

    For all the Trump concern trolls and NeverTrumpers, etc.

    “ The 5 Stages of Political Death by Trump.”

    Here are the stages:

    Stage 1: Under Estimation

    Hubris and ego are most prevalent in this stage as Trump’s opponents discount his business acumen and question his vast wealth and how he amassed it. Collectively they discount any chance he has for any type of success because he is after all a political novice and lacks the instincts needed to achieve. They ridicule his appearance, his hit TV show, and overall competence.

    Stage 2: Placation

    After they’ve gotten past Stage 1, the Trump opponent begins to realize that maybe Trump does have some appeal. During this stage advisers will tell the Trump opponent to “stay above the fray,” or “to keep doing your own thing,” or respond when asked about Trump with general platitudes like, “I couldn’t care less about Trump.” Essentially you are just trying to stay out of his gaze, and thus stay out of his crosshairs. Your grandpa called it, “whistling past the graveyard” — at least mine did.

    Stage 3: Manipulation

    When their strategy in Stage 2 proves unsuccessful, Trump’s opponents attempt to manipulate him and diminish his rising poll numbers and momentum by impacting his campaign with external forces. Examples of this have been the eminent domain argument, the KKK attacks and focusing on his past donations to Democrats (though they never seem to mention that Hillary Clinton was once a Republican). Hyperbolic labeling is popular during this phase, as comparisons of Trump are made by his opponents to some of histories most divisive and infamous characters.

    Stage 4: Frustration

    After Trump utilizes his broad populist appeal to stave off the manipulative, coordinated attacks from Stage 3, good old fashioned frustration sets in. “How could people be so dumb?” and “Trump appeals to the low information voter” are typically the types of sound bites that you will hear during this stage — ironically, especially so from Democrats, claiming to represent the “common man.” During this phase you’ll also see Trump opponents make wholesale changes in their staff. Like the cherry blossoms in spring, denial is in full bloom during Stage 4.

    Stage 5: Hate

    Like a pot full of boiling water with the stove still on high, Trump’s opponents become enraged, unable to grasp how they could be losing to the incompetent novice whom they had foolishly under estimated in Stage 1. During this stage the Trump opponent begins to deviate from their disciplined style of campaigning and they begin to make rash, reckless decisions. Their hand has been forced by Trump, never a good situation for a candidate to be in. This stage signals that political death is near.

    With the GOP nomination all but wrapped up for Donald Trump, and his delegate count surging toward 1237, many are now looking toward the general election and the match up with Hillary Clinton. For those of you scoring at home, Hillary and DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz are currently vacillating between Stages 1,2, and 3.

  85. Bitterlaw says:

    GFY, Falco. You ran away for weeks when Trump was faltering. Now you are back. You are a joke.

  86. Trump says:

    BL,

    You seem to think that tied to HHR 24×7 is the epitome of whatever (resiliency, manhood, sagacity, etc.)

    No wonder you keep missing reality.

  87. Trump says:

    Get out once in a while and see how the world turns.

  88. Waingro says:

    #82, it’s clearly Soccer Guru.

  89. NYCmike says:

    Agree Waingro.

  90. MichiganGuy says:

    On WTVR CBS 6 in Richmond, VA, weatherman Aaron Justus provides the last weather forecast you’ll ever need.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVEPvXBEOSE

  91. MichiganGuy says:

    Conan O’Brien fully exposes mainstream media is controlled just like a communist state run media.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh_Kx7UKndI

  92. Bitterlaw says:

    No wonder you keep missing reality.

    Ironic from somebody who can’t see the reality that Trump is going to get blown out and take the Senate and House with him.

  93. Trump says:

    who says I can’t see that?

  94. pw says:

    National GE
    CNN
    Clinton 54; Trump 41

  95. Trump says:

    And the delicious part is, Trump is the best that the GOP has.

    Sucks to be you.

  96. Bitterlaw says:

    It sucks to be me for many reasons. Trump is not one of them.

  97. Waingro says:

    “National GE
    CNN
    Clinton 54; Trump 41”

    Ooph! Landslide Coming!

  98. Waingro says:

    #96, Soccer Guru are you voting for Hillary or do you “Feel the Bern”?

  99. SusyQue says:

    Unfortunately, I believe that we are entering an era of history in which a “perfect storm” that consists of a confluence of these catastrophic events will shake this nation to the core.

    Read more at http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=304#xCfjXbAqEw1Q2jBp.99

  100. Eastman says:

    The sad (or happy?) thing is that Trump is probably at or near his peak right now. The msm hasn’t gone after him yet (they’ve been waiting until he vanquished his GOP foes), and he’s had a foil in Ted Cruz, who is even more hated by the public than Clinton is. There’s a decent possibility that he will end up in the 30s in November. He will drag down *dozens* of Reps in House and Senate races.

  101. John Falco says:

    BREAKING: Exact same people who said the Trump could never win the nomination predicting Trump defeat in November.

  102. John Falco says:

    $75,723,580 was spent on airing 63,647 anti-Trump ads on network TV. Didn’t work and it won’t work with Shillary!

  103. John Falco says:

    My fondest thought of Trump is when he was giving a speech at a rally and he heard a noise and said, is that a dog? Someone in the audience said it was Hillary. Trump threw back his head and laughed hard and repeated it’s Hillary. Another candidate would have ignored the answer to seem more ‘presidential’. There is not a fake bone in Trump’s body, what you see is what you get. Gotta love Trump!

  104. Bitterlaw says:

    Sure. When women, legal Hispanic citizens, and minorities all hate Trump, he will win in a landslide. Got it.

  105. gameboy says:

    #101…. What rock have you been living under??

  106. Bitterlaw says:

    Four years of being Falco-free starting in November will be a benefit of the Trump disaster.

  107. Robbie says:

    Falco’s run out of cartoon porn so he’s back to fellate his man Trump.

  108. Waingro says:

    Aaron Blake ?@AaronBlake 4m4 minutes ago

    Donald Trump starts the general election trailing Hillary Clinton by a mile http://wpo.st/W3BY1

  109. Trump says:

    $75,723,580 was spent on airing 63,647 anti-Trump ads on network TV. Didn’t work and it won’t work with Shillary!

    Comment by John Falco — May 4, 2016 @ 9:52 am

    Look on the bright side, it gave a lot of “consultants” and hangers-on plenty of commission income.

    That’s what SuperPACs are for, anyway.

  110. Robbie says:

    Questions I have going forward.

    1. Will there be a last ditch effort to find a 3rd party candidate?

    2. Will Clinton hit 60% nationally on election day?

    3. Will Republicans lose the House?

  111. Waingro says:

    #107, I bet it’s much sooner than that. The polls will be too difficult to ignore come this fall.

  112. Robbie says:

    112.#107, I bet it’s much sooner than that. The polls will be too difficult to ignore come this fall.

    Comment by Waingro — May 4, 2016 @ 10:03 am

    It will be interesting to watch FoxNews in October. By then, the presidential race will be over, but the gang there will feel obligated to give hope to the Branch Trumpidians so expect poll skewing stories.

  113. Trump says:

    All your questions have been debunked, wobbie. Since day 1.

    Only the morons here care about what you have to say.

  114. Trump says:

    Brokered convention. Blah blah blah. Jeb. Blah blah blah. Third Party. Blah blah blah.

    Get out of your mom’s based`eat and go fly your paper plane.

  115. Trump says:

    basement

  116. Waingro says:

    “1. Will there be a last ditch effort to find a 3rd party candidate?”

    Doesn’t sound like it. The deadlines are quickly approaching and the donor base doesn’t sound keen on the idea. That’s why I am personally looking at Libertarian Part options and if not just a write-in.

    “2. Will Clinton hit 60% nationally on election day?”

    It will be close. If she exceeds 400 EV’s as I think she might, then she probably will.

    “3. Will Republicans lose the House?”

    I’m actually slightly optimistic about this. There is far more split ticketing with House election votes than Senate. The districts still heavily favor the GOP generically as a whole. Dems will net gain at least 30+ though.

  117. Bitterlaw says:

    People leaving HHR in November

    Falco
    Trump
    BayernFan

  118. Trump says:

    Is HHR some kind of Eternal Land for you?

  119. Trump says:

    Even the person who owns HHR has no time for it.

  120. Bitterlaw says:

    I was here before Soccer Trump and will be here when he leaves.

  121. Bitterlaw says:

    I am stuck in a legal seminar for 5 hours. Zzzzzzz

  122. John Falco says:

    Sorry that this does not fit the Trump is not electable narrative:

    Republicans got 62.8% of the primary votes cast in Indiana.

    Percentages of total votes cast in Indiana by candidate –
    Trump 34.3%
    Cruz 23.6%
    Sanders 19.4%
    Clinton 17.6%
    Kasich 4.8%

    The democrats have a real problem, they are still fighting each other and they are already running out of troops.

  123. walt says:

    Had to give my presentation at 9:10 a.m. when a few
    other speakers were delayed in arriving.

    Had a prepared speech, but as typical for mrle I chucked and winged it without referring to prepared remarks.

    Seems to have gone well.

  124. pw says:

    122: CLE?

  125. Bitterlaw says:

    Yes. CLE. 5 hours on workers compensation.

    So Trump gets 1/3 of Republicans. What does that mean when the Independents who hate Trump get to vote?

  126. scooterboy says:

    Trump down 13 to Clinton and Hillary hasn’t even unleashed the $80 million in oppo. research yet. Not to mention how the MSM will now begin to slowly destroy Trump, piece by piece.

    I remember hearing one political operative say. “We have a stack of oppo. Research on Trump, that’s higher than the wall he wants to build”. It’s gonna get ugly for Trump.

  127. pw says:

    126: Baaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrfffffff!!!!
    re the CLE

  128. Bitterlaw says:

    PA requires 12 hours per year. NJ does, too. However, each credit counts in both states.

  129. scooterboy says:

    And as I said yesterday. I still don’t know why Trump wants to run against a Candidate that he already endorsed for President.

    I’m sure Hillary will be sure to remind the voters, and Trump, of that very thing over, and over, and over again.

  130. pw says:

    129: IL requires 30 over a two-year period.

  131. pw says:

    Kasich has cancelled events in WA and is heading back to OH. He’ll speak at 5 p.m.

  132. Robbie says:

    Stupid John Kasich’s work is done. After having spent the last few months working to ensure Trump’s nomination, he’s decided to drop out of the race now that the job is done.

    I go back to what I wrote last Summer when he announced he was running. The guy’s a lousy jerk.

  133. Cash Cow TM says:

    Been here at the conference from the beginning
    where Walt
    gave his talk that wow-ed the retirees.
    Several of the women got the vapors.

    Then the big group broke up into
    smaller group meetings. Now an hour long
    presentation on Power Of Attorney.

    I am ready to stab myself with a fork and jump
    on a bar-b-que grill.

  134. Waingro says:

    LOL. Kasich NOW dropping out. I hope Trump laughs his a$$ off at him when he tries to come crawling for the VP slot or cabinet position. What a pathetic fraud he turned out to be.

  135. Robbie says:

    Waingro

    There’s probably not going to be a 3rd party candidate, but the filing deadlines that are soon to come are most likely paper tigers that the courts would invalidate.

    John Anderson successfully challenged five ballot deadlines in 1980 and won all five court challenges. If someone wanted to do it, they could almost certainly challenge Texas and North Carolina and win.

    Like you wrote though. There probably isn’t going to be one.

  136. wvally says:

    So Cash Cow, I’m not the only woman who gets the vapors over wonky discussions? Or did Walt leave them breathless with his charming delivery?

  137. pw says:

    135: Kasich finally saw the light.

  138. Waingro says:

    “Bret Baier Verified account
    ?@BretBaier

    .@realDonaldTrump tells the NYTimes that @RealBenCarson will head up his VP selection committee.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjyedFBO7R0#t=8m22.25s

  139. GeauxLSU says:

    I am still curious about which blue states from 2012 Trump supporters honestly believe he can flip. I know Pennsylvania…we have been told by people on this site for the past 3 presidential elections that PA is “going red” this time. I can see no way for Trump to win the electoral votes needed. I’ll hang up and listen.

  140. Robbie says:

    140.I am still curious about which blue states from 2012 Trump supporters honestly believe he can flip. I know Pennsylvania…we have been told by people on this site for the past 3 presidential elections that PA is “going red” this time. I can see no way for Trump to win the electoral votes needed. I’ll hang up and listen.

    Comment by GeauxLSU — May 4, 2016 @ 12:05 pm

    You are asking a rational question. Trumpers only deal with the irrational.

  141. wvally says:

    126 So Trump gets 1/3 of Republicans. What does that mean when the Independents who hate Trump get to vote?

    Comment by Bitterlaw — May 4, 2016 @ 11:15 am

    ——-

    It means Hillary wins, and we get a liberal Supreme Court, open borders, more federal agency over-reach, a tax-hike, and more foreign policy disasters overseas. Plus more targeting of conservative and religious groups.

    But, I still hold out hope for a miracle. Like maybe she’ll screw up and pick Elizabeth Warren?

  142. Cory (Clinton 347 / Trump 191) says:

    Red State is advocating for quick confirmation of Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court now that Trump is the nominee.

    What say the non-Trump Republicans around here?

  143. don says:

    Hope you scumbag Kasich supporters are happy – he did his job for Dump so now he has been told to leave. How can you pathetic individuals even look at yourself in the mirror after supporting him? SHAME ON ALL OF YOU. And the same goes for Rubio who hung around forever and ensure the orange dump’s nomination – SHAME ON YOU, TOO. AND YES, LARRY I EAN YOU. AND YES PW I MEAN YOU. AND YES BITERLAW I MEAN YOU. AND YES TINA I MEAN YOU. Shame on you all.

  144. Waingro says:

    #143, agreed. He’s about the best we can hope for at this point given Hillary will be able to ram through any far left jurist of her choosing.

  145. wvally says:

    don, do you really think Cruz was ever going to win? The republican party is not, on the whole, like a baptist congregation on a Sunday morning. If they’d dropped out earlier, Trump would have won sooner.

  146. pw says:

    144: But…Michael Harrington at RedState said Cruz had the nomination wrapped up! You posted it just two short weeks ago! I’m soooooooooo confused!

  147. pw says:

    146: oh yeah, Don was sipping that Koolaid.

  148. Bitterlaw says:

    Don – Cruz and Trump sucked so I voted for Kasich in PA. I started out supporting Walker. He quit. I supported Christie. He quit. Then I supported Rubio. He quit. GFY.

  149. Trump says:

    None of the contenders could defeat Trump. In a Republican primary, no less.

    How can anyone hope to defeat Hillary, in the general?

    For that to happen Hillary would have to be a weaker candidate than Trump.

  150. Cory (Clinton 347 / Trump 191) says:

    Oh look, it’s the 83,452nd time that someone around here confuses the primary and general electorates.

  151. Trump says:

    Oh look, the Canada moron thinks he knows anything.

  152. Trump says:

    It’s really simple, Canadian Bacon.

    First you win your own party. Then you expand to gain independents and some of the other party.

    I reckon the canadian geese has pooped on your brain.

  153. wvally says:

    I have to agree with Bitter. I think Walker had the best chance other than Trump. But not against 15 other non-Trumps.

    That being said, I think if any of our governors could’ve managed to get the nomination, they would’ve beaten Hillary.

  154. Trump says:

    You can’t win your own party, but you will win the general election.

    Only from a canadian moron at HHR.

  155. Robbie says:

    What say the non-Trump Republicans around here?

    Comment by Cory (Clinton 347 / Trump 191) — May 4, 2016 @ 12:11 pm

    Best we can hope for so I guess I would support the decision.

  156. NYCmike says:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trans-woman-attacked-nyc-train-120300628.html

    -The fact that the other people around her didn’t say anything is even more sickening.

  157. Cory (Clinton 347 / Trump 191) says:

    What should be really simple is that facing other Republicans in a Republican electorate is different than facing a Democrat in a national electorate.

    That should be really, really, really simple.

    One candidate, let’s call him Donald Trump, could be very strong against Republicans in a Republican primary, and incredibly weak against a Democrat in a national electorate.

    While another candidate, let’s call him Marco Kasich, could be very weak against Republicans in a Republican primary, and quite strong against a Democrat in a national electorate.

    Are you able to understand that?

  158. Robbie says:

    Apparently, El Rushbo is back on the drugs. He said at the start of his show that Trump will win in a landslide.

    Can anyone confirm?

  159. MichiganGuy says:

    #144 You tell em Don!

  160. wvally says:

    Is Hillary Clinton really considering Sherrod Brown??

    I found this about him:

    Court documents show that Brown was accused of assaulting his ex-wife Larke Ummel Brown and acting cruelly toward her and the couple’s two small children.

    Larke Brown lobbed damaging accusations against Sherrod, then the Ohio Secretary of State, in her 1986 complaint for divorce.

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/sherrod-browns-war-on-women/

    —–
    Please let this happen

  161. Trump says:

    Moron, do you understand how the primaries and the general work?

    First you have to win the primaries. Then you get to the general.

    Anything else is just doodling on scratch paper.

    Who ties your shoes?

  162. Cory (Clinton 347 / Trump 191) says:

    You’re getting confused about your own point.

    Re-state it in 20 words or less.

  163. John Falco says:

    Why Trump Will slaughter Hillary in One E-Z Lesson: Coming from nowhere, he slaughtered what was supposed to be the strongest slate of candidates the Republicans had put up in a generation. Clinton she has no idea about the tsunami that is about to hit her.

  164. Trump says:

    GFY, idiot.

    Can’t even add to 100%.

  165. Trump says:

    Life is not all spreadsheets, moron.

  166. Cory (Clinton 347 / Trump 191) says:

    Keep trying to understand that different electorates create different political environments.

    It’s an important point, and one that you will need to comprehend if you hope to advance your analysis beyond fantasies and insults.

  167. Clubber says:

    159 – he said it and he will!

  168. Trump says:

    As I said, gfy.

    In the real world, there is no general election without winning the primaries.

    Only in your mother’s basement. Moron of the first order.

  169. Trump says:

    You are stupider than at the two Jeb suckers here, if that is possible.

  170. Clubber says:

    158 – why don’t you stand up and be a man for once in your life! All you do is bitch and wine about the Trumpster. Grab your testicles and get on board the Trump train you little wussie

  171. BayernFan says:

    Gallup polls April/May 1980 Carter vs Reagan:

    Carter +7
    Carter +6
    Carter +8

  172. BayernFan says:

    So clearly polls in April and May are determinative of results in November.

  173. Robbie says:

    Watching Falco and Bayernfan try and spin things over the next six months for Trump is going to be quite a thing.

  174. pw says:

    Does Gallup have a H2H out yet?

  175. Trump says:

    Bayern:

    While you are at it, show the Spring ’88 polls between Bush and Dukakis.

    Or the Spring ’92 polls between Clinton, Perot and Bush.

    Freak-out time.

  176. Trump says:

    Watching Wobbie bitch and moan is always awesome.

  177. Bitterlaw says:

    Akin won the primary and lost the General Election. Both can be true.

  178. Trump says:

    What the Canadian bacon is bleating about is Akin losing the primary and winning the general.

    Cannot be true, per your phraseology.

  179. pw says:

    NJ Dem primary
    Monmouth
    60-32 HRC

  180. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump winning the primaries only lets him run in the GE. It does not automatically translate into him beating Hillary.

  181. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is inferior to Reagan in every way. References to 1980 are absurd.

  182. Trump says:

    How about references to 1988 and 1992?

  183. Cory (Clinton 347 / Trump 191) says:

    He lost track of his point, Bitterlaw.

    He was originally saying that primary losers wouldn’t have been strong in the general anyway because they lost the primary.

    Now he seems to be saying that primary losers won’t appear on the ballot in the general, which is really just a brilliant insight. Unfortunately it’s not the point he was trying to make when the argument started.

  184. BayernFan says:

    May 1988 Gallup

    Dukakis 54
    Bush 38

  185. Bitterlaw says:

    No. 1988 and 1992 involved career politicians. Trump is unique and past elections with different electorates are irrelevant.

  186. Trump says:

    GFY, moron.

    Cant even add to 100

  187. Trump says:

    Everything is irrelevant.

  188. BayernFan says:

    May 1992 Gallup

    Bush 35
    Perot 30
    Clinton 29

    Bush 35
    Perot 35
    Clinton 25

  189. BayernFan says:

    Then, a couple things happened after those 1980, 1988, and 1992 polls…..

    The conventions….. and the campaign.

  190. scooterboy says:

    Get on the Trump train?

    You mean the trainwreck.

  191. BayernFan says:

    What is irrelevant, Bitter, are polls in May.

  192. BayernFan says:

    By train wreck, you mean the campaign waged by the never trump yahoos?

  193. scooterboy says:

    No. I mean the Trump disaster that’s about to happen in the GE. Not only for Trump, but for down ballot Repubs all across the Country.

  194. BayernFan says:

    I thought the Trump disaster was that there was NO WAY he could win the nomination. I read it here after all.

    Seriously all this talk of electoral disasters in November is the same thing that was feared in 1980 when Reagan was the presumptive nominee. Some Republicans were so horrified by Reagan that a third party candidacy by Republican John Anderson was put together.

  195. pw says:

    Per Bloomberg Politics
    Most accurate pollsters this cycle:
    1. NBC/WSJ/Marist
    2. FOX News
    3. Survey Monkey
    4. Gravis Marketing
    5. Survey USA

  196. NYCmike says:

    scooter,

    Nice goal explosion last night, plus good defense!

    Could have used some of the DEF in Brooklyn.

  197. BayernFan says:

    search your hearts never trumpers……

    We followed your establishment candidates in 2008 and in 2012…..

    We followed you down to DEFEAT!!!!!

    (Lol with apologies to ev Dirksen)

  198. scooterboy says:

    195. I wouldn’t expect a Democrat to understand.

  199. NYCmike says:

    CC

  200. Waingro says:


    Charlie Spiering Verified account
    ?@charliespiering

    Rush Limbaugh: “My instinctive feeling right now is that Trump is gonna win, beat Hillary badly, that it could be landslide proportions.” ”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afNOqwJrT8s#t=3m21.5s

  201. scooterboy says:

    197. Yes, the goal explosion was a surprise. Every playoff game has been a one goal difference up until last night.

  202. pw says:

    Test.

  203. scooterboy says:

    Rush predicted a Romney win too. So much for that.

  204. pw says:

    The Atlantic ran a piece in October 1980 about a scenario where neither Reagan, Carter, nor Anderson would be able to garner 270 electoral votes, thus resulting in a decision by the House.
    Interesting historical read, though it turned out to be a landslide, of course.

  205. Cory (Clinton 347 / Trump 191) says:

    American Presidential races are a lot more stable now than they were pre 2000. The parties each have large and extremely solid bases of support (under normal conditions). There used to be a vast middle ground to the electorate which could swing elections wildly in one direction, but that has all but disappeared.

    At this point in 2012 the RCP average of polls was Obama +3.4. The final result was Obama +3.9.

    At this point in 2008 the RCP average of polls was Obama +1.1. The final result was Obama +7.3.

    At this point in 2004 the RCP average of polls was Bush +4.3. The final result was Bush +2.4.

    So in the three most recent elections, the campaign moved 0.5 points, 6.2 points, and 1.9 points between May and November.

    The average is movement of 2.9 points.

    Trump is behind Hillary by 6.5 points right now.

  206. scooterboy says:

    These posts comparing what happened in the 80’s to what is going to happen now, are quite comical.

    The 2 electorates are so similar. Lol

  207. Corey says:

    Drive by-

    The day that Daniel G. (who used to post on here under that name) disappeared from Politicaldog101, “Larry” showed up here. The similarities were quite present and I suggested immediately that he was Daniel G. and said so many times after that.

    Now, today, Daniel G. is suddenly back posting at Politicaldog101, after “Larry’s” promise to leave here after Cruz left the race.

    It was all a troll job after all.

  208. Waingro says:

    Wait is Soccer Guru/”Trump” saying he thinks Trump will win in the general? Is he actually a Trump supporter? I thought his M.O. was as a Transparent Dem Troll? (Although Trump is really a Dem, so that might still fit.)

  209. Corey says:

    I do not intend to vote for Hillary or believe anyone should, but if I am polled, I sure am going to say I am voting for Hillary and others should as well.

    Until the day the final general election ballots are printed, I intend to keep opposing Donald Trump and calling for him to exit the race in favor of an actual Republican who is worthy of the nomination. It is imperative for the long-term future of the party to do whatever it takes, under lawful measures, to deny Trump that designation. Maybe he will quit on his own.

    If not, the rest is up to G-d. The election is still many days off.

  210. pw says:

    Reanalysis in 206
    2004 and 2012 involved incumbents; 2008, like 2016, is an open election.

  211. NYCmike says:

    https://www.yahoo.com/tv/cheating-rumors-sideline-fox-news-white-house-correspondent-151626353.html

    -It looks like Ed Henry had the sexual appetite of 2 men.

    At this time, neither Ed nor Henry has issued a statement.

  212. NYCmike says:

    His wife, Shirley Hung…….

  213. NYCmike says:

    That goes for both of them?

  214. Cory (Clinton 347 / Trump 191) says:

    #211
    That does not seem pertinent to me.
    It was more Bush’s fault than McCain’s that the margin in 2008 extended that much.

  215. NYCmike says:

    Kasich stayed in until Cruz departed.

    “Deadenders” to be blamed.

  216. NYCmike says:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/officers-attacked-breaking-student-fight-234119298.html

    -Trump to visit Philly to look for these kids that attacked the cops.

  217. pw says:

    215: Hard to say that. Incumbent presidents are known quantities as presidents. People have a pretty good idea whether or not they desire to fire the incumbent. Of course, the challenger must be an acceptable alternative.
    Besides, as you correctly point out, 2008 contained a summer/fall catastrophe (financial collapse).
    That’s why it’s far too early to call Election 2016 over.

  218. John Falco says:

    Trump can’t beat Shillary, think again.

    In the 2008 Democratic primary in Indiana, Clinton beat Obama. She received 646,282 votes, while a whopping total of 1,278,355 people voted in the 2008 Democratic primary.

    Back in the 2012 GOP primary, Romney won the state with 410,635 votes. The total number of GOP primary voters was 635,589 that year.

    Fast forward to 2016, and on both sides there have been dramatic shifts. GOP primary voting totals in Indiana are up 173.35 percent from 2012, up to 1,101,777 votes this go around. Also, Trump thumped Romney by winning 587,273 votes. That is more than 175,000 more votes—or more than 143 percent—more than the 2012 nominee.

    Shillary has seen a significant drop off in her own vote totals versus her 2008 campaign. She has dropped 349,294 votes, or nearly 46 percent, from her 2008 performance in Indiana.

  219. Diogenes says:

    It’s funny how dumb Trump supporters are. There arguments are inane and lack reason. But it makes sense. The only time they ever read is when they are ordering at Popeye’s.

    Not only can Trump not win, he would be an awful president. He has shown none of the temperament of a president or even a grasp of core issues regarding the economy and foreign policy.

    It is ironic he has won the nomination based on a cult of personality off the votes off people who raged against “too big to fail.” Trump’s entire business career is basically the epitome of this: releasing hugely expensive and stupid ideas and then blackmailing his creditors into keeping him afloat while his businesses fail.

    Trump will win the deep south and a smattering of plain states in his landslide defeat.

  220. Nickelodeon says:

    Indiana Primary Post Assessment

    * Prognosis tonight: Trump wins by between 12-25%. My “WAG” is close to 20%.

    — Trump by 16.7 — check

    * Record turnout over 1 Million on R side. Over 50% more than the record. May approach or exceed 1.2 Million.

    — With 99.9% precincts in…R voter turnout is 1.1+ million…UP 73.5% — check

    On D side…around .9 Million…down from from nearly 1.3 Million in 2008.

    — With 99.9% precincts in…D voter turnout is less than .63 Million…DOWN 50.8% — check

    OBSERVATION:

    * More record R turnout…down D turnout.

    * Both R & D turnout were more than average for previous states average.

    * Statistical Analysis of turnout changes and amounts for each party suggests a default of between +6 and +12R for fall 2016 POTUS.

  221. John Falco says:

    Love Trump’s comment about Hillary: “She can’t put it away.” The Dems have got to be afraid of a run against Trump when Hillary can’t stop an elderly Socialist. Regardless of the so-called GOP conservatives jumping ship and saying, “I’m with her,” Shillary’s done. Get used to saying President Trump fellow Hedgehoggers.

  222. Trump says:

    Can anyone be more stereotypically racist than Diogenes?

  223. Cory (Clinton 347 / Trump 191) says:

    Give it up, Nick.

    Primary turnout has nothing to do with general election turnout, it’s a reflection of the competitiveness of the race. How could you not know that?

    You’re making a fool of yourself.

  224. scooterboy says:

    Trump will lose women big, he will lose hispanics big, and he will lose blacks big. Someone please tell me how he makes up those huge deficits. And yes, the deficits with those groups will be BIG!!!!!!!

  225. Cory (Clinton 347 / Trump 191) says:

    Start by reading this, Nick:
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/primary-turnout-means-nothing-for-the-general-election/

    You obviously have some statistical knowledge and/or ability, but you are not putting it to any good use. You refuse to attack this analysis by starting where you should. You start with your conclusion, and then BS the analysis backwards from there.

  226. Trump says:

    So says that canadian joke who cannot add to 100.

  227. Robbie says:

    185.May 1988 Gallup

    Dukakis 54
    Bush 38

    Comment by BayernFan — May 4, 2016 @ 1:48 pm

    Worthless comparison. It’s not the same country anymore. The demographics have changed so drastically that, had they each run the same campaign, Dukakis may well have won instead of losing 40 states.

  228. Bitterlaw says:

    Scooter – Trump just needs 150% of the white male vote to get to a 269-269 tie. Then it goes to the House. Yahtze!

  229. Robbie says:

    230.Scooter – Trump just needs 150% of the white male vote to get to a 269-269 tie. Then it goes to the House. Yahtze!

    Comment by Bitterlaw — May 4, 2016 @ 3:16 pm

    Bazinga!

  230. pw says:

    NY Senate GE
    Siena
    Schumer 64; Long 24

  231. Waingro says:

    #233, Gronk is living the dream!

  232. Bitterlaw says:

    He plays for the Patriots. I can hate him.

  233. Robbie says:

    Kasich blabbering like the buffoon he always has been in his exit speech.

  234. BayernFan says:

    Nt