Open Thread Wednesday

I figured today’s Donald Trump press conference was worth a new thread….

Posted by Dave at 6:38 am
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662 Responses to “Open Thread Wednesday”

  1. Wes says:

    Dave lives!

  2. Mr.Vito says:

    Did you figure we were worth a new thread?

  3. Bitterlaw says:

    I e-mailed Dave yesterday to ask for a new thread. I get results, bitches.

  4. Bitterlaw says:

    I watched Obama’s speech last night. It was a zzzzzzzzfest. I’m sure his supporters now put it ahead of Washington’s farewell address.

  5. Mr.Vito says:

    Except we didn’t get a new thread yesterday… we got it for some news conference I didn’t even know was happening.

  6. Mr.Vito says:

    Dave neglected us… I don’t even think he knows we couldn’t post.

  7. jason says:

    MSM is really desperate… explosive but unsubstantiated… LOL

    “Explosive but unsubstantiated allegations suggesting Donald Trump was compromised by Russian agents and in league with Russian hackers appeared in a dossier given to the FBI in August by democratic political operatives who later gave it news organizations including ABC News.”

  8. jason says:

    Unsubstantiated allegations given by democratic political operatives.

  9. Mr.Vito says:

    Sounds like CNN and Buzzfeed have decided to run with a story the entire media has refused to run for months because they can’t substantiate any of it… this does explain their breathless insinuations about Russia however.

  10. jason says:

    I wasn’t able to post at all yesterday.

    I apologize to those who await anxiously my pithy comments and clever insights and pearls of wisdom.

  11. jason says:

    Why would Trump be interested in hacking Democrats in 2013? Makes no sense.

  12. Mr.Vito says:

    I was told the story is from Evan McMullin’s republican ally Rick Wilson.

    Richard Engel’s rant on election night suddenly has context.

  13. jason says:

    This BS was given to the MSM in the summer, when they were chomping at the bit to find anything negative about Trump.

    They couldn’t even run it then.

  14. jason says:

    “Portions of the dossier outlining supposed ties between Trump’s team and Russian government agents started to surface over the summer based partly on information from a former British intelligence agent who was working for anti-Trump political operatives.”

    Anti-Trump political operatives? Who was paying them?

  15. Mr.Vito says:

    Never trumpers and Dems.

  16. Mr.Vito says:

    Rick Wilson is among them.

  17. Mr.Vito says:

    This explains why the media has been dropping hints about Russia for months with no actual allegations to back it up.

  18. Mr.Vito says:

    There is a meeting that supposedly took place with Russians in Prague with Trumps lawyer that the FBI couldn’t substantiate… the guy has offered his passport to show he’s never been there.

  19. DW says:

    Yesterday the good guy won here in the special election for the VA delegate seat vacated by Scott Taylor, the new GOP congressman from VA_02.

    Rocky Holcomb defeated the democrat who had money pour in from all 50 states from liberals desperate to win something, anything, after Hillary lost.

    Final tally was 3,300 votes for Holcomb to 2,934 votes for the democrat.

  20. DW says:

    The voter turnout was extremely low, in part due to the fact that all the streets are still buried in snow and it is dangerous to go out.

  21. Mr.Vito says:

    If this is BS, I will never trust another story from any outlet that insinuated this until there is a major shakeup.

  22. DW says:

    This is the same media that said yesterday, “hearings begin for controversial” pick Jeff Sessions.

    I don’t recall them using the term “controversial” for any of Obama’s whack-job picks, or for Obama for that matter.

    Speaking of the media…just 9 days to go before homelessness becomes a huge problem in America again.

  23. Mr.Vito says:

    Here is Richard Engel… listen carefully.

  24. DW says:

    in my election night coverage atlas, I document all of the networks referred to Russia, blaming them in one way or another for their role in defeating Clinton.

  25. Mr.Vito says:

    He directly alludes to all this at 2:48

  26. Mr.Vito says:

    2:30 and forward actually

  27. Wes says:

    You forgot to mention the GOP held the State Sente by winning a marginally competitive district yesterday, DW, by a 53-40 margin despite the presence of a Deadender on the ballot in an Aaron Day-style attempt to elect a moonbat because the conservative Republican was supposedly insufficiently pure.

  28. Mr.Vito says:

    So how long has the media been coloring their coverage with unsubstantiated news?

  29. Bitterlaw says:

    I think the story is real. It was in a “dossier.” That is serious business. If it was just in a “file” it would be fake. Words have meanings.*

    *Somebody to take this post seriously and go on a rant in 3…2…1…

  30. Donald J Trump says:

    What’s the difference between a chickpea and a garbanzo bean? I wouldn’t pay $2k to have a garbanzo on my face!

  31. Mr.Vito says:

    It was found in a stack of ballots in Philly in a Dem boss’ trunk.

    Definitely legit.

  32. Mr.Vito says:

    Let’s review these two statements…

    “A Tennessee woman jailed for more than a year after trying to use a coat hanger to abort her 24-week-old fetus pleaded guilty on Monday to one felony count in exchange for her immediate release from jail.”

    “Ms. Yocca sought medical attention after her attempted at-home abortion because of heavy bleeding. While at the hospital, she gave birth to a premature baby boy by cesarean section. The baby was placed in foster care and later adopted.”

    The conclusion is of course that Tennessee doesn’t have enough abortion clinics.

  33. Mr.Vito says:

    Let’s change the statements slightly…

    “A Tennessee woman jailed for more than a year after trying to use a coat hanger to abort her 24-week-old baby pleaded guilty on Monday to one felony count in exchange for her immediate release from jail.”

    “Ms. Yocca sought medical attention after her attempted at-home abortion because of heavy bleeding. While at the hospital, she gave birth to a premature fetus by cesarean section. The fetus was placed in foster care and later adopted.”

  34. Mr.Vito says:

    Perhaps the left would have you believe it is sitting in a jar somewhere as a paperweight in the adopted home.

  35. Marc says:

    It’s very clear that a purge of the C.I.A is in order after Jan. 20..since it’s clear they have been leaking all this anti Trump stuff to the media for awhile now.

  36. Barrett says:

    New thread…I can breathe again!

    #9 – This year is the year that I learned to hate BuzzFeed

  37. jason says:

    I must say Donald J. Trump is good at multi-tasking.

    All that is going on and he still has time to post here.

    Of course, we are influential….there’s that.

  38. jason says:

    DW, by a 53-40 margin despite the presence of a Deadender on the ballot in an Aaron Day-style attempt to elect a moonbat because the conservative Republican was supposedly insufficiently pure.”

    NYC ex-moron hardest hit.

  39. jason says:

    I bet that woman will be pregnant again within 3 months.

  40. jason says:

    This is the same media that said yesterday, “hearings begin for controversial” pick Jeff Sessions. ”

    Trump will be “embattled” upon being inaugurated.

    You will see “quagmire” at lot too.

  41. jason says:

    I don’t apologize for several posts in a row since I am backed up from yesterday.

    Yes, that is an A-hole reference.

  42. jason says:

    I think the story is real. It was in a “dossier.”

    The MSM has graduated from “fake but accurate” to “unsubstantiated but explosive”.

  43. HHR Parliamentarian says:

    For what purpose does the A-hole rise 6 times in a row?

  44. Mr.Vito says:

    “unsubstantiated but explosive”

    The A-holes are upheld and explosive.

  45. Bitterlaw says:

    A-holes can speak whenever they want to speak.

  46. Bitterlaw says:

    I yield the rest of my time to Jason.

  47. Barrett says:

    I read several articles on how Trump is “potentially compromised” by the Russians. The number of times CNN said in their article that the findings were not corroborated or substantiated is just ridiculous.

    If the president-elect is truly compromised, and this isn’t being done for political reasons, show the general public the proof. Regardless of whether it tips our hand in terms of how we gather information (or don’t).

  48. Mr.Vito says:

    McCain gave the dossier to James Comey.

  49. jason says:

    Without prejudice, I reserve my time.

  50. jason says:

    I have a dossier that says Chuckie Schumer and NYC are lovers.

    Its unsubstantiated but explosive.

  51. jason says:

    I have sent it to John McCain.

  52. Bitterlaw says:

    I have a dossier on the real reason that MD left HHR. I made up all of it but that doesn’t matter. It is in a dossier. It is devastating.

  53. jason says:

    I also have a dossier prepared by anti-wes operatives that claims his estimate of banging 2,000 women is inflated by at least 8.45%.

    This is also being forwarded to John McCain.

  54. Mr.Vito says:

    Anderson Cooper will now get Trump to deny the report.

    The next day 25 people will ‘recollect’ the events as the overheard them while flying first class with Trump at some ambiguous time in the past.

  55. DW says:

    where is walt? I will have to fill in for him.


    I rode SS
    rose ids
    so dries
    I red sos

  56. jason says:

    made up all of it but that doesn’t matter.”

    Of course it doesn’t matter, as long as its what you would have found out if you actually conducted the investigation.

  57. Barrett says:

    #49 – Didn’t he get it from an MI6 operative?

    Anyways, I have a dossier prepared by the anti-Lisa operatives. Though they didn’t have to do much work.

    All they did was google “Anti-Christian hate groups” and “ignorant people from new england”

  58. Mr.Vito says:

    Dire SOS

  59. Greymarch says:

    Watching Tillerson confirms my suspicions. He is too slow. Doesnt know the facts. Not the brightest bulb in the wall. Tillerson is not ready for prime-time. Trump can do so much better. I hope Tillerson doesnt get through the nomination process.

  60. jason says:

    Whoops, McCain’s press secretary has just announced that he is in possession of explosive but unsubstantiated claims regarding Chuckie Schumer.

    I love electronic communications.

  61. DW says:

    strange…yesterday it was Jeff Sessions who was “controversial”, today…MSNBC:

    “WATCH LIVE: Rex Tillerson, Trump’s controversial pick for secretary of state, testifies at confirmation hearing”

  62. jason says:

    Watching Tillerson confirms my suspicions.”

    Translation: I was prejudiced against Tillerson and still am.

  63. DW says:

    59 – I make no claim to be in Walt’s league.

  64. Mr.Vito says:

    58 I don’t know ‘he’ refers to in your question.

    McCain says himself he gave what he received to James Comey. It was compiled by a former MI6 operative supposedly… he was being paid by anti-Trump republicans d democrats.

  65. jason says:

    Obama’s picks were all outstanding, thoughtful and capable.

    Trump’s are all controversial, unqualified and corrupt.

    Luck of the draw I guess.

  66. Barrett says:

    Pardon me, but in Politics, isn’t EVERYTHING controversial?

    Seriously’, we are talking about the scope of government and balance of power. Tell me what isn’t controversial. Good job media.

  67. jason says:

    All they did was google “Anti-Christian hate groups” and “ignorant people from new england”


  68. Mr.Vito says:

    66 yes, Jason. It is like how they can only figure out the party to which a corrupt politician belongs if it is a Republican. What are the odds?

  69. jason says:

    Obama never ran a lemonade stand.

    Eminently qualified for President.

    Tillerson ran Exxon.

    Tillerson is unqualified for SOS.

  70. Mr.Vito-Que says:

    “invented mobile ‘gas vans’ to kill Jews ”

    Exxon-Mobile Gas!

    Tillerson is a Nazi!

  71. zorkpolitics says:

    Trying to listen to the Tillerson hearings, but left wing Wackos keep interrupting the hearings.

  72. jason says:

    What are the odds?”

    Same as the fact Democrats only misspeak, Republican make racist/divisive/hateful statements.

  73. Bitterlaw says:

    59 – I make no claim to be in Walt’s league.

    Don’t despair, DW. The first single cell animals, the T-Rex, the mammoth, Ramses III, Moses, etc. were not in the same league as Walt. Being immortal has many advantages.

  74. Mr.Vito-Que says:

    They should rename the ‘hearings’ to ‘herrings’.

  75. ssq says:

    ‘They should rename the ‘hearings’ to ‘herrings’.

    Because herrings are red?

    I get it.

  76. JulStol says:

    Never, ever, ever Rubio. Ever.

  77. Mr.Vito says:

    David Shulkin to run the VA… just from Trumps mouth.

  78. Mr.Vito-Que says:

    How will he run it from inside Trump’s mouth?

  79. NYCmike says:

    “Translation: I was prejudiced against Tillerson and still am.”

    -Wild guess: jason was NOT watching Tillerson answer questions, while Greymarch was.

  80. NYCmike says:

    “How will he run it from inside Trump’s mouth?”

    -Like a basketball team…..he will get the BEST dribblers in the country!

  81. NYCmike says:

    HHR plays Jeopardy:

    “Never, ever, ever Rubio. Ever.”

    Answer: When Jul’s girlfriend/fiance asked Jul if Marco Rubio could participate in a threesome with her and her girlfriend?

  82. Bitterlaw says:

    Hmmmmmmm. For some reason, I just liked the idea of Rubio being President even more.

  83. Mr.Vito-Que says:

    Trump will donate all profits received from foreign governments to trump hotels to the National Treasury.

  84. Mr.Vito says:

    I will verify that Vito-que was correct on that one.

  85. Mr.Vito says:

    Repeal and replace once secretary is confirmed…

    Trump says he could sit back and let the Democrats own its implosion this year, but he’s going to do them a big favor by fixing it.


  86. DW says:

    Wow, Cruz absolutely demolished Franken, and all the Democrats on the panel.

  87. Mr.Vito says:

    SCOTUS nominee likely within two weeks after the 20th.

    Wall will begin before negotiation with Mexico completed… negotiation to begin on day one.

  88. Mr.Vito says:

    Uh oh… they had the wrong Michael Cohen…

  89. Mr.Vito says:

    Within 90 days, Trump will produce a report on hacking defense.

    He said he wondered if someone on his staff was leaking intelligence, so he set up a meeting telling no one on his staff.

    Word got out anyway.

    We have a serious problem if true, since it would then have to be coming from intelligence.

  90. NYCmike says:

    For all those who had reservations about Trump, which I understood, insofar as he was not my chosen candidate to win the Republican primary……JUST IMAGINE WHAT WOULD BE GOING ON RIGHT NOW IF HILLARY HAD BEEN ELECTED!!

  91. NYCmike says:

    “We have a serious problem if true, since it would then have to be coming from intelligence.”

    -There was a guy on the John Batchelor Show last night, mentioned 4 instances where the “intelligence” agencies were absolutely brutal, and some reform is well overdue:

    1) Bay of Pigs information
    2) Gulf of Tonkin
    3) (Rick Perry called, and I can’t remember this one)
    4) Iraq intelligence findings

  92. Mr.Vito says:

    During the presser, Trump refused to acknowledge someone and called them Fake News… I didn’t know who, but now I see it was Acosta from CNN according to Drudge.

  93. Phil says:

    CNN Reporter: Sir, you have attacked my news organization. I damand you take my question!

    Trump: You demand it? I won’t be taking any questions from CNN for the next four years. How do you like them apples?

  94. AlbertHodges says:


    I like them apples very much!


  95. jason says:

    Always Rubio!

  96. Mr.Vito says:

    Even MSNBC had this story and wouldn’t report it.

    Let that sink in.

  97. jason says:

    “Translation: I was prejudiced against Tillerson and still am.”

    -Wild guess: jason was NOT watching Tillerson answer questions, while Greymarch was.”

    Zzzzzz,.. since Greymarch voted for Hillary I assumed he would not like any of Trump’s nominees.

    However, if Tillerson was really that terrible I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks.

  98. Phil says:

    MSM doesn’t get it. They seem to think Trump is just like W and is going to sit back and let them destroy his presidency without hitting back.

    I am no Trump lackey, but I like it that Trump doesn’t sit back and allow the MSM to use him as a punching bag.

  99. ssq says:

    Let that sink in.”


    Does it have to sink in water? My pool is empty for maintenance.

  100. Mr.Vito says:

    I don’t understand why Rubio insisted on Tillerson labeling Putin a war criminal and ordering the death of political enemies without reading an intelligence report.

    It may all very well be true, but I would say pretty much what Tillerson said.

  101. jason says:

    – CNN, the news division of Time Warner Inc, said on Wednesday that its decision to publish “carefully sourced reporting” on unverified intelligence documents concerning Donald Trump is “vastly different than BuzzFeed’s decision to publish unsubstantiated memos.”

    This reminds me of when Corey reported that “others” were saying Rubio was ineligible to be President, he himself was just outraged that people would say Rubio was not eligible, and that it was a shame some people were saying Rubio was not eligible, in the context that some were questioning Rubio’s eligibility.

  102. jason says:

    I am no Trump lackey,”

    No, but if he becomes Emperor you will be a subject.

  103. Mr.Vito says:

    Reminds me of fake but accurate

  104. Mr.Vito says:

    106 Interpretation

    We recognize we are in deep doo doo right now…


  105. DW says:

    I watched the clip. I thought Trump was pretty low-key actually. He stated his case, the rude CNN reporter kept butting in demanding a question, and Trump kept politely moving on to someone else, and the CNN reporter just got more rude until Trump finally had to end it by telling him CNN was fake news. Something we all knew.

    CNN is so full of themselves its incredible. Like on election night when the news broke that Clinton had called Trump to concede, Wolf Blitzer almost couldn’t believe it, saying finally that CNN hadn’t called it yet–as though CNN knows more than the experts in Clinton’s war-room.

  106. Mr.Vito says:

    I have CNN on my Dish Flex pack.

    I will be calling to try to have it removed and replaced with FOXNews.

  107. DW says:

    Provisional ballots now accounted for in the local VA Beach race for VA house of delegates, the seat vacated by Scott Taylor. New total:

    Rocky Holcomb (R) 3,301
    Cheryl Turpin (D) 2,939

    Democrats failed in their attempt to bring in money from all 50 states defeat Holcomb.

    CNN: Jill Stein is said to now be moving toward spending millions more in a lawsuit asking for the election of Holcomb to be thrown out and a new election scheduled because the process discriminated against the elderly and those too scared to drive through the snow covered streets of Virginia Beach. Stein said, “How can this election have been allowed to proceed? Virginia Beach rarely ever receives snowfall, and my contacts there say such an event shuts the city down until the snow melts. If people were too scared to go out and buy bread, and schools and businesses were closed, why were voters called upon to make it to the polls? This is a travesty, and Virginia Beach residents are clamoring for justice. This needs to be reversed immediately!”

    CNN. Your source for Comedic Non-News.

  108. Barrett says:

    Vito, I’d remove MSNBC first.

  109. jason says:

    They should sue Bush. There would never had been so much snow in Virginia Beach if Bush had not ignored climate change.

  110. jason says:

    MSNBC is entertaining.

    And they are in for a miserable 4 years.

    It will be fun to see the melt downs.

  111. jason says:

    I just went to the CNN site.

    It’s all about how Trump admits Russians are hackers…

    Nothing about their fake report of course.

  112. Barrett says:

    jason, granted I watched Rachel Maddow throw a fit the other day over the confirmation hearings. It’s fun to watch her (him) suffer.

  113. NYCmike says:

    “Zzzzzz,.. since Greymarch voted for Hillary I assumed he would not like any of Trump’s nominees.”

    -He voted for Hillary?!? I thought he was just another #NeverTrumper.

    However, if Greymarch was really that terrible of a person, and voted for Hillary, I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks, and to de-translate my translation of jason’s translations.

    Does that translate in English?

  114. NYCmike says:

    “It’s fun to watch her (him) suffer.”

    -Wow, a New Year is here, and Barrett and I agree on something!

    Trump is a miracle-worker!

  115. NYCmike says:

    “No, but if he becomes Emperor you will be a subject.”

    -If he becomes Emperor, jason and Wes will just blame the “deadenders”.

  116. Tina says:

    What an arse mcamnesty is.

  117. NYCmike says:

    “I am no Trump lackey, but I like it that Trump doesn’t sit back and allow the MSM to use him as a punching bag.”

    -I have to be honest: In his first term, I thought Dubya was a great man for his refusal to act down to the media’s level.

    Now, I see that was wrong, and I am very glad that Trump, and his aides, will fight on every platform available, especially in hostile territory.

    I see that KAC was on that light-weight’s show, Late Night w/ Seth Meyer, doing just that.

    Do not give them an inch!

  118. Tina says:

    We need to launch an effort to recall mccain.

  119. NYCmike says:

    “What an arse mcamnesty is.”

    -Lucy, you got some ‘splaining to do!

    What you talkin’ about, TinaWillis?

  120. NYCmike says:

    “We need to launch an effort to recall mccain.”

    -The “deadender” alert just went off in North Carolina.

  121. jason says:

    Does that translate in English?”

    Translations are not for novices. Leave it to the pros.

  122. Tina says:

    Spooks get troled, as did the az war monger.

  123. jason says:

    McCain earned the right to be an ass.

    And his constituents are fine with him, he just won re-election by a huge margin.

  124. NYCmike says:

    “McCain earned the right to be an ass.”

    -He is exceptional!

  125. NYCmike says:

    I do have a question: If Russia had some video of Trump getting “gol den showers”, but Trump did not care about that, would he still be considered “compromised”?

    I would think a person who is not scared of having embarrassing news revealed would NOT be considered “compromised”.

  126. jason says:

    AZ 2016

    Trump 1,252,401

    McCain 1,358,267

    I rest my case.

  127. NYCmike says:

    gold en showers

  128. NYCmike says:

    If I don’t leave that space, “gold en showers” is FORBIDDEN!

  129. NYCmike says:

    “I rest my case.”

    -On the table? On your lap? On top of Biden’s Corvette?

  130. jason says:

    I know, I know, McCain should have been primaried by a deadender (actually, he was), and AZ should have a flaming liberal as a Senator to teach him a lesson to him.

  131. jason says:

    teach him a lesson to him”


  132. NYCmike says:


    -Kanye has entered the building!

  133. Tina says:

    Can an arse earn his right to be an arse, or is he just an arse?

  134. NYCmike says:

    -I am looking at other farewell’s, from Reagan (21 mins), Dubya Bush (15 mins), and Clinton (9 mins?).

    Will Obama give another “farewell” from the Oval Office?

  135. NYCmike says:


    I am not sure about an arse, but an A-Hole covers both sides of that equation.

  136. BayernFan says:

    He needs to STFU, keep packing, and GTFO.

  137. jason says:

    I bet John McCain has done more for his country than a 1,000 whiny ass big government Obamacare loving BayernFans.

  138. jason says:

    BayernFan is happier than a pig in slop, either way someone else will pay for his health care.

  139. Tina says:

    John mccain, the architect of fake news.

  140. NYCmike says:


    Charlie Rangel, for his service and actions during his military service, received a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star.

    Does the same standard apply to him as John McCain?

  141. Tina says:

    The bushes would have rolled over.

    1h1 hour ago
    Bill Mitchell ?@mitchellvii
    Trump stated, “CNN is terrible. … No, I’m not going to give you a question. … You are fake news.”

    Lord I love this man…

  142. NYCmike says:

    Watching Trump during that press conference – I could only imagine how Obama would have come thru 8 years of a Presidency IF there had been a media that was interested in the truth.

  143. Barrett says:

    #119 – I am a sensitive A-hole. I propose a truce.

  144. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Have always been impressed with Tillerson; he is very much respected as a businessman, and he has a diplomat’s ability to present a blank face and answer questions in a guarded and limited manner.

    The climate change related attack on Exxon-Mobil is bogus,and those involved have been exposed and are now in full retreat.

  145. jason says:

    Charlie Rangel, for his service and actions during his military service, received a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star.”

    Charlie Rangel is a flaming liberal Democrat who has devoted his life to advancing liberal causes. That being said, if Trump had attacked his military service, I certainly would have objected.

    McCain is a a 6th term Republican senator who has devoted his public life to advancing Republican and conservative causes, and the voters in AZ just returned him to the Senate by a wide margin.

    If anyone wants to make the point Trump is more conservative than McCain please go ahead, I want to LMAO.

    I have had my differences with McCain, notably on campaign finance.

    But he is a true patriot, conservative and Republican and has been all his life.

    He deserves our respect and our gratitude even when we disagree with his views.

  146. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    153. “I have had my differences with McCain, notably on campaign finance.

    But he is a true patriot, conservative and Republican and has been all his life.

    He deserves our respect and our gratitude even when we disagree with his view”

    Well said.

  147. DW says:

    In addition to campaign finance, I have disagreed with McCain in his lifelong desire to be loved by the media.

  148. jason says:

    All politicians want to be loved by the media.

  149. jason says:

    Ok so the Ukraine tried to help Hillary.

    I am sure the MSM will be outraged, just outraged, and will demand a special investigation for this disgusting meddling in our election.

  150. Conservative Populist says:

    Seconding DW’s point, my problem with McCain (and Graham) is that they love being media darlings by being GOP contrarians. They will seek to foment trouble for Trump simply for publicity. Tiresome!

  151. lisab says:

    hillary had this report …

    and they passed on it

    that is how unsubstantiated it is

  152. NYCmike says:

    -I would like to ask anyone here who has the audacity to mention my name in a complimentary way with this disgusting individual, please refrain from doing so, as there is not much more of a slanderous thing to say to a person that has a semblance of common sense.

    Egg cremes for all!

  153. NYCmike says:

    “All politicians want to be loved by the media.”

    -Ted Cruz? Rudy?

  154. NYCmike says:

    “Seconding DW’s point, my problem with McCain (and Graham) is that they love being media darlings by being GOP contrarians. They will seek to foment trouble for Trump simply for publicity. Tiresome!”


  155. Tina says:

    Cia bought this report. Thiught it was legit. Scary.

  156. Tina says:

    Media darlings. If i were trump, never invite thise Two freaks to the wh. Phuq them.

  157. lisab says:

    trump instructed a secret service agent to push a 3 year old into the gorilla enclosure at the cincinatti zoo. this resulted in the death of a much loved gorilla

    cnn news

  158. Bitterlaw says:

    AZ 2016

    Trump 1,252,401
    McCain 1,358,267
    I rest my case.

    GFY, Jason. Senators do not represent their state. They must represent Tina.

  159. NYCmike says:

    ” They must represent Tina.”

    -Tina living in California and Hawaii I can understand her predicament.

    I am lucky to have Schumer and Gillibrand……wait a minute!!…….McCain is an arse!

  160. Mr.Vito says:

    I’m starting to think Buzzfeed did Trump a favor. I don’t think CNN wanted the stuff to actually come out… they just wanted to allude in a fuzzy way to the overall idea and say ‘intelligence community’ over and over. Now that the dossier came out, it is becoming clear why no one ran with it.

  161. NYCmike says:

    The media seems to keep giving Trump gifts….almost like they wanted him there…..dun dun dun!!

  162. Wes says:

    So NYCMike now thinks it’s slanderous to mention his name in a complimentary way with his personal choice for Senate Majority Leader.

    All right.

  163. lisab says:

    the reduction in the number of pirates is causing global warming

    proof here

  164. jason says:

    I would like to ask anyone here who has the audacity to mention my name in a complimentary way with this disgusting individual, please refrain from doing so,”


    Trump funded this “disgusting individual” for decades, and his fellow Democrats, you made excuses for months about it and never saw a problem.

    Go whine about your good buddy Schumer elsewhere, it won’t work here.

  165. jason says:

    NYC thought Trump was smart to fund Schumer, but now describes Schumer as disgusting.

    The hypocrisy is astounding.

  166. jason says:

    NYC thinks electing liberal democrats is a smart way to punish the RINOS, even though they will all vote for Schumer for majority leader.

    You know, Schumer, that disgusting individual.

  167. DW says:

    172 – wait, on the election night coverage one of the news anchors called Trump a Somali pirate.

  168. lisab says:

    CNN really did some “piss poor” reporting on this latest fake news. #jaketapper #cnn

  169. lisab says:

    ashley judd ?@AshleyJudd
    I admire you so much. And I will do my part to become increasingly aware of my #implicitbias and #whiteprivelege.

  170. lisab says:

    what were the main points [of obama’s speech]? me, me, me, i.

    howie carr

  171. lisab says:

    Don’t thank Obama for your cheap Cancer bill. Thank those of us who go to work everyday and pay outrageous deductibles and bear the cost. First prescription of our 2017 ($4k) deductible: $648.22 (For a 10 day supply). Glad your ok, and you’re welcome.


  172. Tina says:

    Mccain represents himself and his ego.

    He is a disgrace,

    War service aside.

  173. jason says:

    NYC logic:

    Trump funds Schumer: no problem. Smart.

    Trump funds Dem Senate committee to elect more liberal Dems that will vote for Schumer: No problem.

    NYC supports deadender candidates that will deliver safe Republican seats to liberal Democrats that will vote for Schumer: No problem.


  174. jason says:

    We need millions of more “disgraces” like John McCain.

    If John McCain, a man who has dedicated his life to his country and public service, who was tortured and kept in a North Vietnam hellhole for 7 years, and had had a distinguished career in the senate for what will be 6 terms, is a disgrace then we certainly have the wrong standard to measure people by.

    John McCain is a true national hero and patriot, the type of man all American should look up to.

    Denigrating a person like John McCain because you might disagree with some of his policies is shameful. If there is one person who has earned the right not to be litmus tested, its him.

  175. Tina says:

    I do nit care, his actions were disgraceful. You have to separate his actions from the service.

  176. lisab says:

    What’s your favorite memory from Obama’s presidency?

  177. NYCmike says:

    “What’s your favorite memory from Obama’s presidency?”

    -It will happen when he waves goodbye.

  178. Bitterlaw says:

    My favorite moment was when he announced the death of Bin Laden.

    That’s pretty much it.

  179. NYCmike says:

    “My favorite moment was when he announced the death of Bin Laden.”

    -Well, he announced it AGAIN last night.

    I think even SNL did a skit on his propensity to mention it.

  180. NYCmike says:

    -Good take from Hannity and Laura Ingraham.

  181. NYCmike says:

    Wes and jason should pay special attention to that link at about the 9:00 minute mark, when they speak about spending.

    Congress, especially the House, has control over the purse. USE IT!

  182. Tina says:

    No favoeite memory.

    Just a ton of limincello consummed.

  183. jason says:

    I do nit care, his actions were disgraceful. You have to separate his actions from the service.”

    Sorry, they are one and the same person. There is no separation.

  184. jason says:

    My favorite moment of Obama’s presidency is when he met Trump in the Oval Office.

  185. NYCmike says:

    “My favorite moment of Obama’s presidency is when he met Trump in the Oval Office.”

    -The constipated A-Hole (#NeverTrump) finally stopped clenching.

  186. jason says:

    es and jason should pay special attention to that link at about the 9:00 minute mark, when they speak about spending.”

    NYC is worried about spending? I thought that went out the window with Trump.

    “People said I want to go and buy debt and default on debt, and I mean, these people are crazy. This is the United States government,” Trump told CNN’s Chris Cuomo on “New Day.” “First of all, you never have to default because you print the money, I hate to tell you, OK?”

    NYC must be at war with himself again.

  187. jason says:

    NYC has sold out on so many of his “conservative” positions he can’t remember which ones he still believes in.

    I can understand, I don’t know which ones he still believes in either.

  188. NYCmike says:

    jason is unable to process the procedure – Schoolhouse Rock wasn’t on in his house, I guess.

  189. NYCmike says:

    “NYC must be at war with himself again.”

    -Easier than dealing with “hairy palm”…..

  190. jason says:

    NYC Moron commended deadender Ted Cruz for trying to shut down the government and commit political suicide.

    However, when Trump says to just keep spending and printing money, the silence is deafening.

    And the hypocrisy continues to be astounding.

  191. NYCmike says:

    Uh oh, the New Year resolution has been broken already……weak…weak….SAD!

  192. NYCmike says:

    Congress keeps spending at last years level….then Trump doesn’t need to print.

    Very simple.

    Simple, not easy.

  193. jason says:

    Dammit, you are right.

    Force of habit.

    NYC commended deadender Ted Cruz for trying to shut down the government and commit political suicide.

    Fixed it.

  194. janz says:

    #130 Mike, thanks for the Scott Adams head’s up.

    I disagree with graymarch in that rather than being “slow,” I thought Tillerson’s answers were deliberately and thoughtfully worded.

  195. jason says:

    Nah, don’t blame it on Congress.

    The buck stops with Trump.

    Let’s see if he refuses to sign any increases to the debt ceiling.

    Taking bets from suckers.

  196. jason says:

    I think we should establish some simple rules for the fake news controversy.

    Fake news put out by right wingers is indeed fake.

    Fake news put out by left wingers is not fake, its either fake but accurate, fake but should be accurate, or fake but intended to be accurate.

  197. jason says:

    I disagree with graymarch in that rather than being “slow,” I thought Tillerson’s answers were deliberately and thoughtfully worded.”

    His wingman, NYC m–, huh, NYC, agreed with him however.

    I didn’t watch you guys can fight it out.

    Time to go to bed, breakfast call at 4 AM.

  198. Cash Cow TM says:

    Walt is back from a quick trip T/W down to the belly of the beast at the state capitol for legislative interim meetings.

    His last trip of feasting at the teet of the taxpayers for services rendered.

    Mrs. Walt is doing well from her arthroscopic knee surgery.

  199. Walt says:

    Yo, Homies!

    Two days with no visit to HHR.

    What’s new?
    (other than the Mexican peso in free fall, Trump laying traps for U.S. intelligence agencies, Trump fighting with the press, WVU drubbing #1 Baylor by 21 points, etc.?

  200. Walt says:

    The cat threw up all over the floor.

  201. Cash Cow TM says:


    sack her
    shaker C
    EK! crash!

  202. DW says:

    cash cow, sorry I filled in for you further above in the thread on the word dossier. But it had to be done. Welcome back.

  203. lisab says:

    What Kind Of Bread Are You Based On Your Zodiac Sign?

    buzzfeed exclusive

  204. lisab says:

    On a microwave, if you push 60, then it will cook for 60 seconds or one minute. (Following me?)
    AND if you also press 1:00 it will cook for one minute, or 60 seconds. (Right, right?)
    OK! Well, my question is….
    If you add 1:00 + 1:00 it is = 2:00 right? So your food will cook for a total of two minutes.
    BUT if you add 60 seconds + 60 seconds it will only cook for one minute and twenty seconds. Even though 60 seconds is one minute?
    (I know, confusing question.)

    I guess to put it into simpliest terms, How come 1 minute + 1 minute = 2 minutes, but 60 seconds + 60 seconds = only one minute and twenty seconds?


  205. lisab says:

    Which Disney Prince Should Be Your Side Dick?
    When you need that something on the side.

  206. wvally says:

    Best read in a British accent. The Daily Mail is a freaking riot.

    Trump conducts sting operation to ensnare intelligence briefers

  207. lisab says:

    there are many different british accents …

    which one?

  208. Cash Cow TM says:

    “DW says:
    January 11, 2017 at 9:56 pm
    cash cow, sorry I filled in for you further above in the thread on the word dossier. But it had to be done. Welcome back.”


    Saw that. I thought you did a great job of filling in. Thanks!

  209. Cash Cow TM says:


    Have the pro light rail folks come out yet saying that if you would have a light rail system there then you could get around better in heavy snow?

  210. wvally says:

    217 something posh

  211. Big Joe says:

    Damn it sucks to be a Knicks fan these days.

    Big Joe

  212. wvally says:

    James R. Clapper, the director, said he spoke with Mr. Trump earlier in the evening and assured him the document was not produced by his agencies, nor have they deemed the information reliable.

    He also said he “expressed my profound dismay” to Mr. Trump about the leaks that enabled the reporting.

    “We both agreed that they are extremely corrosive and damaging to our national security,” Mr. Clapper’s statement said about his conversation with Mr. Trump.

  213. Tina says:

    I wonder if clap trap,is begging not to be fired.

  214. Tina says:

    The same group,of nuts want another me conflict, or worse, one with russia.

  215. janz says:

    This is a fitting commentary describing Cory Booker’s self serving speech today, aimed at discrediting Jeff Sessions.

    “Booker may be the biggest phony in the Senate, which would be quite an achievement.

    I actually liked Booker until today. Now, he has become another small-minded, overly ambitious, dishonest politician.

    Tina, Clapper is retiring in less than 10 days. So, being fired would not be disturbing to him.

  216. wvally says:

    Tomorrow James Clapper, John Brennan, James Comey and Mike Rogers are due to brief the Senate on the intelligence community findings of Russian hacking. Someone was going to ask Clapper directly about the CNN report. Getting out in front.

  217. Cash Cow TM says:

    The orange man is out of control.

    It is going to be a rocky 4 years.

    I, Cash Cow, have a more presidential demeanor than the orange man.

  218. lisab says:

    it is going to be a rocky four years

    but not because of today

    unless you mean that today signals the no-trumpers will stop at nothing to end trump

    this “dossier” is so bad even the clintons refused to use it

  219. lisab says:

    i personally think it is great that trump is kicking cnn in the groin, they deserve it

    the elites have had 36 years of free reign and trump has upset the tea cart …

    but … it is pretty clear to me at least his enemies will stop at nothing. part of this dossier was written as fiction by someone on 4chan — who admitted it, and said it was fiction

    yet nbc and cnn ran with it (nbc owns buzzfeed)

    trump is upsetting too many power bases.

    ironically, while trump is at most a social moderate and probably liberal, it is the evangelicals who hold the key to his power.

  220. lisab says:

    at least now we probably know why romney came out so strongly against trump

    he would have been appalled by such allegations. he is a pretty strict mormon.

  221. lisab says:

    “Swiss town denies passport to Dutch vegan because she is ‘too annoying’”

    ok … i am neither dutch nor vegan

    but i sympathize 🙂

  222. jason says:

    “Unless you mean that today signals the no-trumpers will stop at nothing to end trump”

    Never heard of the no-trumpers…..

    Must be a new group of upstarts.

  223. jason says:

    I equate vegetarians to priests and nuns, who are supposed to be chaste.

    I guess I have to admire the abnegation of those who give up sex and the pleasures of consuming a perfectly cooked steak (i.e., rare).

  224. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t give rarely give money to homeless people. However, if somebody asks for money and I am near a food truck or store, I will take them there and tell them to order. One time, the guy told me that he had to go to the truck across the street because they had a vegetarian selection and he was vegan. I had to admire a homeless vegan keeping true to his weird diet.

  225. Wes says:

    Veganism is the most dangerous diet to have. Enjoy!

  226. Wes says:

    Giving up sex and meat?

    Well, more for me, I guess.

  227. Bitterlaw says:

    Here are some numbers. Probably rigged on economy and labor force but interesting.

  228. jason says:

    I don’t give rarely give money to homeless people.’

    Wow, NYC’s wars on himself are contagious.

  229. jason says:

    I would have said “hey MF either eat the steak sandwich or die”.

    But again, I am an A-hole.

  230. jason says:

    Vegetarians deserve their unhealthy food habits and self deprivation of good food.

    I am an equally opportunity eater. Salads and veggies are great, especially with a juicy cut of beef, pork, lamb or goat. Or llama or guanaco of course.

  231. DW says:

    Cash Cow TM says:

    January 11, 2017 at 10:48 pm


    Have the pro light rail folks come out yet saying that if you would have a light rail system there then you could get around better in heavy snow?”

    This would seem like a great question, except for the fact that the light-rail line in Norfolk was so poorly planned that it dead ends in a neighborhood at the VA Beach city border.

    So you have to drive to the end of the line to get on the train, meaning it is no better than cars for transportation to downtown Norfolk.

    The officials who planned it could have put in the line from the Navy base to downtown Norfolk, and that line might have been marginally usual to some people.

    Instead they gambled that VA Beach would join them in their folly and put in the line headed toward the oceanfront and downtown VA Beach.

    We didn’t buy into it, and the line is now dead.

  232. NYCmike says:

    “The orange man is out of control.”

    -I thought Trump was more self-controlled than usual.

    “Presidential demeanor” went out the window when the press showed how disrespectful they were to President Bush, and how in the tank they were for Obama.

    I think Trump is correct to fight battles on every front. He is capable of it, he has helpers like KAC who are capable, go after the opposition on every level.*

    *Please do not “translate” this to mean that illegal actions against anyone will be acceptable.

  233. Barrett says:

    CNN themselves noted that they were not able to independently corroborate or substantiate the article about Trump being personally compromised by the Russians.

    So WHY even post the article?

    And Trump hit the nail on the head by calling them “fake news”

  234. Barrett says:

    And to add to 247 – his demeanor was totally acceptable in that scenario. He saw the problem and addressed it directly.

  235. NYCmike says:

    Right on, Barrett!

    The truce holds for another day!

  236. NYCmike says:

    -I only post this to ask – How does this Hayes person get a job on TV, especially during prime-time?

  237. NYCmike says:

    Actually, I’ll say some more about that Michael Moore interview, and not just that he is a shameless pig.

    He was absolutely correct, “as a director”, that Trump “owned” the room. He actually agrees with Laura Ingraham, in that clip I posted yesterday when she was on with Hannity, and she spoke about how good the Democrats are at “producing emotion”, especially Obama.

    Of course, Moore NEVER mentions Obama being as good as the production values, but that is where he is a partisan hack.

  238. Bitterlaw says:

    Truly horrible story. Apparently, nobody has an idea on how to get this tragedy off the internet. My suggestion – anybody who posts the video gets charged with abuse of a corpse. The prosecutions would fail but let the scum that posted it go through hell and lose money on lawyers until they are acquitted.

  239. Jake says:

    who won the Va Special election for state house?

  240. Jake says:

    As bad as CNN is, they were much better on election night than ABC. Abc was by far the worst, even more than MSNBC and PBS.

  241. Jake says:

    Booker looked bad yesterday. His has bad advisors. If you want to run for Prez as a marxist from NJ, try to at least act more positive

  242. Jake says:

    It looks the GOP won the election in Va Tuesday. Cool

  243. DW says:

    CNN was only better than ABC in that they had fewer voices. Only Wolf, Tapper, King and Bash, with others only occasionally chiming in. And then most of the show was just Wolf and King standing at the computer looking at results. ABC had way too many people involved and of course all of them were very hostile toward Trump and Republicans.

    NBC and MSNBC had James Carville, who was of course hostile, but at least honest when he saw results he couldn’t explain away.

    But ABC was both hostile and incompetent, with the gaffes I have already mentioned here.

  244. jason says:

    The R won it by like 300 votes.

  245. jason says:

    DW have you seen the Young Turks meltdown yet?


  246. DW says:

    260 – link?

  247. jason says:

    Carville wasn’t buying the positive spin, he was saying things like “I really don’t care for these numbers”

  248. Mr.Vito says:

    Did you see THE VIEW election night coverage? Florida got called just as they ran out of time… guess they thought it would end early.

  249. jason says:

    Imagine if a Republican had suggested martial law to stop Obama from being inaugurated.

  250. jason says:

    Here is the “best of the Young Turks” meltdown, but the entire coverage is also available on youtube

  251. Jake says:

    260. Jason, I saw that. I did not realize that Ben Maniecewicz is the same guy who hosts Turner Classic Movies.

  252. NYCmike says:

    He hosts TCM as well!?

    Busy guy!

  253. jason says:

    There is an epic rant against the Democrats around minute 9:00 that is worth watching.

  254. lisab says:

    Truly horrible story. Apparently, nobody has an idea on how to get this tragedy off the internet.
    unfortunately suicide is now the leading cause of death for teen girls

    and usually their parents have no idea their girls are depressed until they visit the morgue

  255. jason says:

    Yeah about 6 years ago a friend of mine lost his 17-yr old daughter who hung herself in her bedroom closet. He and his wife were devastated, and even though she was being treated for depression they never thought it would come to that. The worst thing is they were home at the time so they blame themselves for not checking on her, which of course is impossible to do 24/7.

  256. lisab says:

    i am sorry to hear that.

  257. lisab says:

    in the usa, it is the second leading cause of death for teen girls

    after unintentional injuries, largely car accidents

    homicide, often by an ex-boyfriend is third

    (strangely, drowning is also a leading cause of death for teens)

  258. Barrett says:

    the leading cause of death for Hedgehoggers is having to listen to LisaB

  259. Mr.Vito says:

    I thought it was waiting for a


  260. Cash Cow TM says:

    Orange man…

    Did a hostile takeover of GOP.
    Has the mindset that the government of the U.S. is like a corporation.
    Think of himself as the new CEO and when he barks, everyone needs to jump and do…or he will fire them.
    He is about as presidential in his persona, words and actions as a wart on my rump.

    My expectations for a lot of things for the next 4 years is rather low. Unfortunately.

  261. Cash Cow TM says:


    “Soros Lost $1 Billion in Weeks After Trump Election…”
    The only way this could make me happier is if he lost $5 billion.

  262. Walt says:

    Hi gang.

    Would like to hang on here more today, but I have a list of errands to do.

    See ya!

  263. NYCmike says:

    “Orange man…” = President-Elect Trump

    “Did a hostile takeover of GOP.” – he won the Presidency as a Republican, fair and square. If Congress sends him conservative-oriented bills, he will govern as a conservative Republican.

    “Has the mindset that the government of the U.S. is like a corporation.” – Considering that he is a businessman, that makes some sense. And I am not sure this is a bad thing, if laws are enforced properly.

    “Think of himself as the new CEO and when he barks, everyone needs to jump and do…or he will fire them.” – If they work for the Executive Branch, that is always the case, is it not?

    “He is about as presidential in his persona, words and actions as a wart on my rump.” – Not very different than a writing Cow calling him “Orange man”.

    “My expectations for a lot of things for the next 4 years is rather low. Unfortunately.” – When government is involved, I would settle for the status quo than for more Obama-like change. If positive change happens, that will be like icing on the cake, sweet.

  264. NYCmike says:

    “The only way this could make me happier is if he lost $5 billion.”

    -$10 billion would be better.

  265. Barrett says:


    -Called out CNN for their obvious bias
    -Called out Meryl Streep for her hypocrisy
    -Made some good appointments
    -Had a successful press conference
    -Doesn’t put up with this political BS from intel agencies

    So far the Donald gets a solid B

  266. Barrett says:

    don’t ask me to grade him on his personal character or history though, he wouldn’t be getting a B grade there.

  267. Mr.Vito says:

    It absolutely was a hostile takeover… Trump took his message directly to the shareholders instead of the board, and they agreed with him. Them’s the breaks, Cow. That’s capitalism.

  268. Mr.Vito says:

    “Think of himself as the new CEO and when he barks, everyone needs to jump and do…or he will fire them.”


    That’s why it’s called the ‘Executive Branch’.

  269. Mr.Vito says:

    “He is about as presidential in his persona, words and actions as a wart on my rump.”

    Depends on what you want from a President.

    I’m ready for someone that delivers… hopefully he does.

  270. Mr.Vito says:

    There was actually a lot of substance in that press conference… and Trump treated Acosta exactly correctly.

  271. Mr.Vito says:

    He got practice from Jorge Ramos.

  272. NYCmike says:

    -Twitter is very funny….we need an Author update…WVAlly, where are you?

  273. janz says:

    #282, Barrett, I agree with your list and grading. He continues to poke at the elite, their sense of entitlement and overall self righteousness. I love how they just can’t keep their holier-than-thou footing after being challenged by his no-nonsense responses.

  274. janz says:

    The goal of the left is to demonize the right so they will lose their nerve to dismantle the ACA…or so says Greg Gutfield. IMO, that’s a valid observation. It seems to me, too, that the GOP is finally growing a spine with Trump as their new POTUS.

  275. Cash Cow TM says:

    We will all immediately die the very moment ObamaCare is repealed.

  276. Cash Cow TM says:

    I have enjoyed the 60 degree temps today.
    I am sure some think it is due to global warming.
    Benefits of global warming:

    –People spend less on home heating bills
    –more crops grow so we have more food and less world hunger and starvation
    –people spend less on winter clothes and save money to spend on other important things
    –people wear less clothes and show more skin which gets peoples’ hormones jacked up, they make whoopie instead of doing crime
    –more babies being born to replace the annual number of victims the mooselimbs behead, burn, throw off roof of buildings, stab, shoot, run over with trucks and they get frustrated at the futility of trying to kill everyone in the world so they give up trying to do so
    –there is more rain, so less drought even the Sahara Desert blooms and is fertile again, more crops feed more hungry people in Africa so we get rid of all those public service announcements on TV begging for help for starving Africans
    –more rain means people will use less water to water their lawns, fill their pools, etc. so their water bills will go down
    –people use less water, then their sewer bill goes down
    –GW can do away with winter and thawing and freeing which causes roads and bridges to deteriorate faster so roads and bridges last longer so road taxes can be reduced
    –fewer people slipping and falling on ice so health care costs start to go down
    –fewer balls falling off brass monkeys
    –witches will be more comfortable in their teet area
    –with higher temperatures, George Soros, Obama, and the rest of that bunch will get more used to the kind of temps that will be where he is going when they leaves this life.

  277. Cash Cow TM says:

    The left is organizing plans to illegally march and close bridges to hamper the inauguration of the orange man.

    If people opposed to Obama tried to do the same nutty thing in 2008 or 2012 would there be charges of racism?

  278. Cash Cow TM says:

    If a Cow fell over in the HHR woods and nobody else was around would it make a sound?

  279. Cash Cow TM says:


  280. Cash Cow TM says:


  281. Cash Cow TM says:


  282. Cash Cow TM says:

    K CCC and the Sunshine Gang

  283. jason says:

    he won the Presidency as a Republican”

    Translation: NYC admits he is no Republican

  284. jason says:

    If Congress sends him conservative-oriented bills, he will govern as a conservative Republican.”

    Is that what will do it? LOL

  285. jason says:

    The left didn’t expect to lose and now they won’t accept the results.

    I am no fan of Trump but we have to win the war the left is waging to de-legitimize him.

    None of what is going on would be acceptable to the MSM and the left had it been directed against Obama or Hillary.

  286. Mr.Vito says:

    Obama has ended wet foot dry foot with one week to go.

    He is an ass.

  287. Conservative Populist says:

    Trump will win the war over legitimacy because voters accept his election and have moved on. They pay no heed to delusional Dems and media who cling to a lost cause. The new president must get all his big-ticket items done this year because when ’18 comes, the election calendar will impede his efforts. Congressional GOP must not go wobbly!

  288. lisab says:

    “Obama has ended wet foot dry foot with one week to go.”

    punishment for cubans helping trump win florida

    in keeping with the dems motto

    vindictam in victoria, malitia in clade

  289. NYCmike says:

    “None of what is going on would be acceptable to the MSM and the left had it been directed against Obama or Hillary.”

    -Reason #1105 as for why a vote for Trump as opposed to not voting was the better choice.

    I am thrilled beyond belief that my friend, jason, has finally accepted ANOTHER one of my reasons for why Trump was acceptable!

  290. NYCmike says:

    Fixed to help him be honest:

    “Translation: NYC admits he is no Republican…for the 1000th time in the last year and a half”

  291. Cash Cow TM says:

    make American berate again
    make America create again
    make America date again
    make America hate again
    make America late again
    make America mate again
    make America wait again
    make America consummate again
    make America relate again
    make America collate again
    make America abrogate again
    make America accelerate again
    make America adequate again
    make America coagulate again
    make America conjugate again
    make America adjudicate again
    make America accumulate again
    make America copulate again
    or decorate

  292. lisab says:

    the only hispanics obama wants to kick out are cubans

  293. Cash Cow TM says:

    make America decimate again
    make America palpitate again!
    make America radiate again!

  294. Cash Cow TM says:

    make America subjugate again

  295. Cash Cow TM says:

    That finished the list I found of slogans that the Trump team considered and rejected before settling on “Make America Great Again”

    But at first they misspelled ‘great’ as “grate”

  296. Tina says:

    I give him an A-

    Needs to quit with twitter. Ny tweet plus some other ones can be a bit over the top.

    But solid b slapping of al cnn, goober, schumah, and mcamnesty earn him high marks.

  297. Tina says:

    One more week od dumbarse. I will celebrate a bottole of opus a day.

  298. lisab says:

    uh oh

    trump’s dog bit a teen girl in the face … at least we know what tomorrow’s headline will be

    (tiny amount of blood in the picture, but not too bad)

  299. DW says:

    Mr.Vito says:

    January 12, 2017 at 6:52 pm

    Obama has ended wet foot dry foot with one week to go.

    He is an ass.

    –What is to stop Trump from reversing this decision?

  300. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    294. Cash Cow TM says: “I have enjoyed the 60 degree temps today.I am sure some think it is due to global warming.Benefits of global warming:

    Cow, as the California’s great eco-warrior Gov. Brown said earlier this year, California because of global warming is now in extended and permanent drought. We will run out of water, and life in the state is doomed!!!

    Of course the evil climate denialists will point out it has rained continually for the last several weeks, and large areas of the state are flooded, and Shasta and Folsom Dams have opened their flood gates because they cannot handle all the water. But these evil people deny science, so should be silenced.

  301. Mr.Vito says:

    Black dogs matter

  302. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    310. “the only hispanics obama wants to kick out are cubans”

    They voted for Trump, so must be punished. Remember underneath Obama’s flowing rhetoric is a slimy Chicago politician, willing to engage in petty ward politics.

  303. lisab says:

    ending the cuban refugee policy a week before leaving office is just petty

  304. lisab says:

    the girl is going to have a small permanent scar the report says

  305. jason says:

    I am thrilled beyond belief that my friend, jason, has finally accepted ANOTHER one of my reasons for why Trump was acceptable!”


    I didn’t find either candidate acceptable, GFY.

    Now that he is going to be President, I hope there are lots of things I can support him on. The more the better actually.

    One thing right off the bat is this notion that somehow he is not legitimate. That is the game the left and the MSM like to play, and they have to be defeated. The day they can reverse elections on sheer chutzpah and slimeball tactics we are finished.

    The irony is that these are the same people that were just so outraged that Trump suggested he might not accept the election results.

  306. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If you go into an airport baggage area in Chicago, don’t expect the unarmed airport police to help you if someone starts shooting. They have been told to basically run away.

    The final body count in Chicago for 2016; 762 murders, 4331 people shot. Those tough gun laws are really working.

  307. Mr.Vito says:

    “What is to stop Trump from reversing this decision?”

    Nothing. He is trying to muddy the waters. My guess is if Trump undoes this he will say he is being inconsistent on immigration and not properly vetting people.

    Of course He is being equally inconsistent. There has been NO GUARANTEE from Cuba that people will not be punished when they return.

    More than anything, he is thumbing his nose at all the people he has a gripe with on his way out.

  308. jason says:

    –What is to stop Trump from reversing this decision?”

    Remember just a few weeks ago the MSM was shocked and outraged that Trump would take a call from the President of Taiwan “reversing decades of policy”.

    Isn’t the Cuban decision “reversing decades of policy”?

    Where is the outrage?

  309. Mr.Vito says:

    Now Obama is removing sanctions on the Sudan.

  310. lisab says:

    worse … they are political refugess

  311. lisab says:

    why isn’t rubio speaking out?

  312. lisab says:


    Since 1983, a combination of civil war and famine has taken the lives of nearly 2 million people in Sudan.[102] It is estimated that as many as 200,000 people had been taken into slavery during the Second Sudanese Civil War.[103]

    Sudan ranks 172 of 180 countries in terms of freedom of the press according to Reporters Without Borders, yet more curbs of press freedom to report official corruption are planned.[104]

    Muslims who convert to Christianity can face the death penalty for apostasy, see Persecution of Christians in Sudan and the death sentence against Mariam Yahia Ibrahim Ishag (who actually was raised as Christian). According to a 2013 UNICEF report, 88% of women in Sudan had undergone female genital mutilation.[105] Sudan’s Personal Status law on marriage has been criticized for restricting women’s rights and allowing child marriage.[106][107] Evidence suggests that support for female genital mutilation remains high, especially among rural and less well educated groups, although it has been declining in recent years.[108]


  313. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Obama has ended wet foot dry foot with one week to go”

    What if it is one wet hoof and one dry hoof?

  314. Cash Cow TM says:

    What if someone was carrying ashore two woodpeckers and one ‘pecker was wet and the other ‘pecker dry?

  315. lisab says:

    In Chicago this week, the unarmed aviation police officers were still patrolling the baggage claim, passenger check-in areas and other public locations before the TSA checkpoints.
    A CNN investigation revealed that, not only are the aviation police officers unarmed, they are also instructed to “run and hide” in the event of an active shooter. Officers have told CNN the policy puts them in danger.
    The investigation found that Chicago was the only city with major airports being patrolled by unarmed police officers.

  316. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    329. “why isn’t rubio speaking out?”

    As a long-time Rubio supporter, frankly I was embarrassed by his conduct towards Tillerson; as were many Republicans.

    Rubio should speak out, as should Menendez on the Cuba issue.

  317. Mr.Vito says:

    Yes. Sudan. Listed as a terrorist state as well. Those sanctions will not be removed… apparently easing and talks.

  318. Mr.Vito says:

    Pretty much guaranteed Rubio will say something about Cuba… he does every week even when nothing is going on.

  319. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    331. “What if it is one wet hoof and one dry hoof?”

    Definitely a case of hoof and mouth disease, and the hoof leg was lame.

  320. Cash Cow TM says:


    “Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study…”

    “COPS: Black Teen Behind ‘KoolkidsKlanKkk’ Account Threatening Black Students…”

    Which of these is fake news?
    first one?
    second one?

    Or are they inconvenient truths?

  321. Mr.Vito says:

    “What if it is one wet hoof and one dry hoof?”

    They split you in two and have a Barbeque.

  322. lisab says:

    the marijuana one is not fake

    it has long been associated with schizophrenia

    it is in many ways a safe drug. people have literally consumed a half a pound at one time and not died

    but for a small percent of people it destroys their life

    (but then so does alcohol)

  323. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Obama is searching for the world leader who will miss him when he is no longer president; even the ones who took advance of him hold him in low regard.

  324. lisab says:

    people should stop complaining about the LL Bean boycott

    there is a long history of political boycotts in the usa

    including the one that sparked the boston tea party, when sam adams and local coffee merchant john hancock started the boycott

  325. lisab says:

    remember when obama gave back the bust of winston churchill?

    the british ambassador could not believe it

  326. jason says:

    Cory Booker was blessed and honored a year ago with Sessions….

    “Booker is often mentioned as a rising star in the Senate, although his legislative accomplishments to date have been lackluster at best. Less than a year ago, Booker teamed up with Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., to sponsor legislation to award the Congressional Gold Medal to those brave civil rights pioneers who marched at great peril from Selma, Ala., to Montgomery, to press for passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. When he spoke of Sessions at a joint press event in February 2016, Booker said:

    This is truly one of my life’s greatest moments. I am humbled to be able to participate here and pay tribute to some of the extraordinary Americans whose footsteps paved the way for me and my generation. I feel blessed and honored to have partnered with Sen. Sessions in being the Senate sponsors of this important award.”

  327. lisab says:

    i actually did not know this, i just looked it up
    after i posted #343

    DONALD Trump has asked Britain to send Winston Churchill’s bust back to the White House so he can return it to the Oval Office, The Sun can reveal.

    The request was put to Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson by the President Elect’s senior advisers during talks in New York three days ago.

    Last night, Downing Street confirmed that Theresa May has agreed to a loan of the famous sculpture again.

    The gesture marks a diplomatic coup for the PM in her bid to win influence over the unpredictable new US leader.

    A bitter row over the bust’s location has raged for seven years since outgoing President Barack Obama replaced the wartime leader’s image with one of Martin Luther King in 2009.

  328. lisab says:

    it is kind of embarrassing though

    “sorry queenie, can we have your gift back?”

  329. janz says:

    #341 sandiego, that was an amusing comment.

  330. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    347. Yes and it is totally true also.

  331. Cash Cow TM says:

    (AT LEAST 26 STATES in 2015 and/or 2016 FACING DEFICITS
    FY 2016:
    WV was one of 22 states that FACED DEFICITS IN 2016.
    Which states faced deficits in 2016?
    IL—-$6 BILLION deficit
    AK–$3.2 BILLION (energy producing state)
    VA–$2.4 BILLION** (VA is one of about a dozen states that does a
    ……………………………… 2 year budget)
    WA–$2 BILLION**
    MA–$1.8 BILLION
    LA–$1.6 BILLION (energy producing state)
    CT–$1.2 BILLION
    KS–$800 Million
    MD–$750 Million
    WI–$650 Million**
    OK–$611 Million (energy producing state)
    NV–$500 Million**
    ME–$460 Million**
    MI–$450 Million
    AL–$290 Million
    WV–$195 Million (energy producing state)
    (WV deficit grew $100MM higher when Gov.
    Tomblin informed the legislature 2 days after the
    regular session was over and at the end of day 2 of the 3 day normal special budget session that 2016 WV revenue collections failed to meet projections)
    HA–$193 Million
    RI–$190 Million
    VT–$113 Million
    DE–$67 Million
    [**means that state has a 2 year budget while the rest have one year budget]

  332. Cash Cow TM says:


    2009: the only 5 States facing NO deficit in 2009:
    ND (energy producing state)
    TX (energy producing state)
    WV (energy producing state)
    2010: the only 2 States facing NO deficit in 2010:
    MT (part of Bakken Oil field in MT)
    ND (energy producing state)
    2011: the only 4 States facing NO deficit in 2011
    AK (energy producing states)
    MT (part of Bakken Oil field in MT)
    ND (energy producing state)
    2012: the only 8 States facing NO deficit in 2012:
    AK (energy producing state)
    MT (part of Bakken Oil field in MT)
    ND (energy producing state)
    WV (energy producing state)
    WY (energy producing state)
    2013: 20 States facing NO deficit in 2013:
    AK (energy producing state)
    ND (energy producing state)
    OK (energy producing state)
    WV (energy producing state)
    WY (energy producing state)
    So more states are beginning to recover from the “2008 Great Recession”…

  333. Cash Cow TM says:

    You are welcome. 🙂

    (I know you are inside thanking me for the data I compiled with many hours of hard work to discover which states did/did not have deficits from 2009-2017)

  334. Cash Cow TM says:

    So much for the thriving Obama economy…

    –added cost shift to states in ObamaCare expansion
    –war on fossil fuels
    –flood of illegal aliens and associated costs to states
    –deteriorated race relations causing riots in last 8 years and bad fiscal impacts on states
    –gridlock in D.C. federal government with no solutions to major economic issues

    …and the list goes on…

  335. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Good work Cow! California can join your list for 2016. Despite having the highest state income tax, one of the highest sales tax, etc., looks like California will run about a 1 billion dollar deficit in 2016.

    Of course they have the solution — raise more taxes.

  336. Cash Cow TM says:

    Sandy Eggo Citizen,

    Looks like I failed to list CA having a deficit in 2016.

    Thanks for pointing that out.

  337. Cash Cow TM says:

    Imagine if all employees behaved like Meryl Streep and gave you a 5 minute screed monologue on their political views before they completed their interaction with you…

    The clerk at the convenience store…
    the bus driver…
    the plumber…
    barista at the coffee shop…

    Of course if they tried to proselytize their religion then you could file a law suit…unless their religion was liberalism….

  338. Mr.Vito says:

    Fl may have a deficit this year if they don’t cut spending.

  339. jason says:

    Of course they have the solution — raise more taxes.”

    Or the existing one.

  340. Mr.Vito says:

    Okay, Wes, DW, and other numbers guys.

    In the CBS coverage, there is an exit result that I cannot find in the CNN exits about third party. The commentators do not even mention it when it is on the screen.

    National Third Party Voters:
    If choices were only Clinton and Trump

    Clinton 24%
    Trump 18%
    Wouldn’t Vote 55%

  341. DW says:

    359 – I haven’t yet put CBS into my Atlas yet. But that is interesting. Rachel Maddow on MSNBC was lambasting third party voters claiming they gave the election to Trump. Those numbers from CBC refute that claim, which probably explains why no one would talk about it.

    But my Atlas is coming right along, and I think it is turning out just as I had hoped.

    Notice this moment in time when two networks look at the same exact data, but notice the different perspectives:

    9:07 pm
    CNN now describes Trump’s lead in FL as ‘impressive.’ While CNN was discussing FL, the numbers for Broward county jumped to almost 50% reported and it barely moved the advantage for Trump state-wide. CNN’s John King is now skeptical about Clinton’s chances and says Trump campaign should be happy with these numbers. 92% now counted in FL.

    Chuck Todd on NBC looks at the FL map again, and with 92% reported, says the remaining votes in Broward County makes the Clinton people really happy. He says there is still a little more out of Miami-Dade which has already shattered turnout records, but Todd found Hillsborough has tightened some, to the point where Trump’s deficit is smaller than Romney’s was. Todd concludes it is going to be very, very close.


    Same exact data and Chuck Todd thinks its close but the Clinton people are happy, CNN’s John King says he is skeptical about Clinton’s chances, and Trump people are happy.

  342. Mr.Vito says:

    At that rate, for example, the third party could not have changed the results in Wisconsin or Florida.

  343. Mr.Vito says:

    DW… there is a point at the data map in CBS where the anchor says Trump can’t win without Florida, and the data guy says…

    weeeeeeeeeeelllll…. he PROBABLY can’t win without Florida.

    So there is another guy for your ‘get’s it’ list.

  344. Mr.Vito says:

    Here is the VIEW coverage if you can stomach it, DW.

  345. Mr.Vito says:

    As it begins, ABC is at 123 Trump, 97 Clinton.

    As it ends, Florida is called, and Joy Behar wants to punch somebody… so that’s the timeline.

  346. DW says:

    363 – I just had breakfast and I wish to keep it. Not sure I could handle The View. I am saving the PBS coverage for last in the Atlas, as that will be the hardest to watch–and stay awake. PBS didn’t have their own data room, but seemed to just go with the projections put out by the AP. But watching David Brooks is like a torture device that sucks years of your life away in a matter of minutes.

    The Atlas is now 36 pages and growing. Still have to finish NBC, and then do CBS and PBS. All three cable news programs are now complete.

  347. Mr.Vito says:

    The data analyst says after California comes in that she just wants to temper expectations… she says Florida is a nailbiter, but because of the demographic splits in FL, it maybe as goes Florida, so goes the election.

    How bout that?

  348. Mr.Vito says:

    The View analyst may have had the best call of the night.

  349. Mr.Vito says:

    Then one of the panel says it’s a bad sign that she lost Pinellas county, which is one I was looking at.

    How bout that? More sage advice that was missing from the big guns coverage.

  350. Bitterlaw says:

    DW is truly a dedicated scholar on the 2016 Election. I have not watched a minute of election coverage since the election. I wonder who will play DW when his Chronicle is made into a movie.

  351. DW says:

    368 – you know what they say about blind squirrels…

  352. DW says:

    here is a funny exchange from CNN, right after 11pm when CA was called for Clinton:

    Upon Clinton retaking the Electoral college lead following the projected win in CA, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asks Jake Tapper, “Are they breathing easier at Clinton headquarters?” Tapper replies, “I don’t think so to be perfectly honest.”

    Wolf was so desperately looking for a friend on that CNN set.

  353. DW says:

    369 – thanks…it would be easier if the coverage was given in Koine Greek.

  354. Mr.Vito says:

    Wolf was one of the most idiotic of the night… even Gayle King was mildly better. At least she had more interesting interruptions, than…

    ooh… ooh… it just changed again, John! Four million two hundred sixty four thousand and seventeen to four million one hundred eighty thousand seven hundred and eleven! Wow!

  355. Mr.Vito says:

    One of my favorite “Trump” moments…

  356. Mr.Vito says:

    One of the comments from a Canadian on that VIEW coverage youtube channel:

    Bike Montreal l2 months ago
    Just to be clear, nobody in Canada wants Americans who can’t handle democracy?

  357. DW says:

    366 – the only bright bulb on ABC’s coverage was panelist Alex Castellanos, who very early on saw the rural surge for Trump in FL and asked the prophetic question about what this meant for other battleground states. This was back when all the others were just marveling and salivating over Clinton’s numbers out of Miami-Dade and Broward.

  358. Mr.Vito says:

    Another interesting point in CBS coverage… the female anchor reported (and it seemed to put some wind in her sails, frankly) that Podesta was going to going to say the race was ‘too close to call’ (which turned out to be correct.

    Gayle King pipes up and says… but is it really too close, or is it just a failure to acknowledge reality, since there are a lot of people saying it isn’t too close to call.

  359. DW says:

    And in response to Podesta’s speech, ABC had another rare moment of mental clarity:

    ABC’s George Stephanopoulos points out that Podesta had nothing more to say tonight because he has nothing good to say.

  360. Mr.Vito says:

    CBS anchors say Clinton wins Maine and its four electoral votes… the total only goes up by three… no one corrects it.

  361. Mr.Vito says:

    One even mentions there is still a possibility of a tie, but fails to mention that the fourth vote was not awarded to Clinton.

  362. DW says:

    381 – in my Atlas I try to point out all the factual errors. One that was particularly strange is this:

    12:16 am
    Fox News reports (erroneously) that Trump is on his way over to the Trump headquarters at the Hilton.

    They never corrected this one.

  363. NYCmike says:

    “368 – you know what they say about blind squirrels…”

    -Be quiet, their hearing is probably better to compensate for the loss of sight!

  364. NYCmike says:

    Nice finds of Trump with Wolf and Stephanopoulos.

    B O O M !

  365. marc says:

    Alabama Gov Bob Bentley leaning towards appointing LT. Gov Key Ivey to replace Jeff Sessions. Ivey -72 would not run in 2018.

  366. marc says:

    Kay Ivey

  367. Mr.Vito says:

    Major Garrett did a good job on CBS… he had very early that Preibus and Corbett were declaring Trump the winner in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

    But before Trump speaks, he offers this gem with consternation on his face… that it is ironic that the Trump derides the media every speech but now he is waiting for them (meticulously and fairly blah blah blah) to call the election before he speaks.

    Of course we know that Hillary concedes before the networks call it… except Fox (BA HA HA!). The AP and Times had already called it.

  368. Jake says:

    387. Agree Vito. Major did seem very optimistic early for Trump

  369. Mr.Vito says:

    To further this point… they go to Major Garrett as the roars go up at the Trump Party. He says Hillary has called to concede, and Trump will tell them shortly… HE DOES NOT note that the roars are because Fox just called it.

    They go back to the desk and CBS anchors start talking about how they haven’t gotten that from the Clinton camp (actually it came from a reporter with the Clinton camp… so yes, they had really) and that CBS had not called it yet so he has not quite won the presidency yet.

    Then they call Arizona.

  370. Jake says:

    385. I like that move, Marc. Get another GOP woman in the Senate for the short term.

    As long as Never Trumper, Martha Roby, does not get in.

  371. Jake says:

    The roar outside of Fox News Studios, after the Florida Call, was awesome.

  372. DW says:

    390 – MSNBC was also broadcasting live from the Trump headquarters the moment Fox news called it for Trump.

    They never admitted to what the roar was about.

  373. Mr.Vito says:

    Then CBS puts on the screen that Clinton has called to concede, and they start talking about Arizona still needs 14. Then Charlie Rose says CNN called Wisconsin (never mind Fox, AP, or the Times right?), and they say then he would be down to four.

    That’s the last they say before Pence starts talking.

  374. DW says:

    CNN and CBS were the only ones who ended up calling AZ before Trump spoke.

  375. Mr.Vito says:

    Interesting, DW.

  376. Jake says:

    I watched ABC election night on Youtube recently.

    They had the main show with the 30 leftist panel including Bill Kristol. Just anti trump awful. Stephanie Cutter even said Hillary would still win after the FL, OH, and NC calls. Only decent person there was GOP Strategist Alex K.

    Then they had a millenial type show from Times Square with a real Motley crew.

  377. Mr.Vito says:

    As Trump walks up, they call Wisconsin and say he still hasn’t officially won, and Pence claimed victory.

  378. Jake says:

    Holding back of Georgia was criminal, and on purpose to keep Western Hillary Voters going to vote

  379. Wes says:

    Martha Roby is a solid conservative who ousted a DCCC fraud. Why shouldn’t she be a Senator?

  380. Jake says:

    Wes, because she overreacted on the Trump audio tape.

  381. Mr.Vito says:

    At one point in the night CBS has Jamele Bouie on the panel twice… and basically said this is another racist backlash like after reconstruction and the sixties. The other two said it wasn’t in their own way actual reasons, basically ignoring him. He did not appear again after that… hmmmm.

    So, Van Jones was not alone.

  382. Wes says:

    So? I don’t see why Roby shouldn’t be Senator because of that. McCain and Portman publicly disavowed Trump. Should they not be Senators because of that?

  383. DW says:

    PA was probably the one where they were all the most criminally negligent on calling it. AP was the first, and they called it at 1:38 and they were quite late. Philly was done. They knew that all that was left was GOP areas and they just refused to call it. Sometimes they appealed to unknown absentee ballots, one even appealed to unknown provisional ballots.

  384. Wes says:

    Trump is a President, not a dictator. Politicians

  385. Mr.Vito says:

    Bentley did not support Trump either after the tape.

    It sounds like he will leave it for the people to sort out in 2018.

  386. Jake says:

    Wes, I tend to compare those to Ron Johnson. A stud who was in a tough swing state race, and never wavered on his support for Trump. He should be the next Majority leader.

    Roby’s whining on morals from Red State Alabama, did her no favors.

    By the way, I despise McCain, but like Portman.

  387. Jake says:

    Bentley has had his own scandals

  388. Jake says:

    Wes, why did Joe Heck lose?

  389. NYCmike says:

    “He should be the next Majority leader.”

    -Great idea, except he will retire after this term, I believe.

    He would be MUCH better than McConnell.

  390. NYCmike says:

    Roby was endorsed by Palin and Gingrich back in 2010.

  391. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is a President, not a dictator.”

    -ONE MORE OF MY REASONS for why Trump was acceptable to vote for, as opposed to not voting.

    Between jason and Wes, I love the fact that my wisdom is finally seeping through the layers.

    Osmosis is a wonderful process, but slow in some “hard-headed” cases.

  392. NYCmike says:

    Trying to find video of Mattis’ answer to Gillibrand regarding how he “feels” about military members being LGBTQyadayadayada.

    She is pathetic, and he was right on!

    They had it on the radio this morning, wanted to share it.

  393. Conservative Populist says:

    Wes, to Jake’s point – if that audio tape had been Clinton’s, the Dems would have held firm and not abandoned the ship. Indeed, they always stood by the Clintons innumerable scandals notwithstanding. By contrast, the GOP withers whenever sh!t hits the fan and immediately scrams for the exits. No cohesion – especially for Trump who is anti-establsihment. GOP overreaction to the audio tape brought the worst of both worlds: alienating Trump voters while getting no credit from establishment media. It explains Ayotte’s narrow defeat. She overreacted. Had she been more measured and waited until dust settled, she may have won.

  394. Mr.Vito says:

    Major Garrett states after the speech that Trump’s transition team has completed all the work that was put to them and they have all the binders ready of the all the candidates they believe are passable, and Trump is ready to get to work right away.

    Compare that to the talk of transition chaos the next few days…

  395. NYCmike says:

    Con. Pop.,

    Just to get in front of some other posters, the issue about the “abandoning ship” may not be correct.

    I think in Ayotte’s case (would have to check), she received more votes than Trump did, so your thesis is not supported by the numbers.

  396. Jake says:

    I was living in Phoenix in the 2000’s. I volunteered on the 2000 Bush Campaign, and new some high up AZ GOP insiders.

    Each one of them told me, McCain was about to jump ship and switch to the Dems before 9/11. Tom Daschle was out there wooing him. McCain was sour grapes on Bush. Never liked him since.

  397. Jake says:

    Ayotte was in a tough spot, and would like to see her appointed to a Federal Appeals court.

    Joe Heck blew it by abandoning Trump. Donald only lost the state by 2%

  398. Wes says:

    Simple, Jake:

    Trump’s brand of identity politics hurt him and all other politics this past year caused all Republicans in Nevada to lose last year. By motivating Latinos to reject him solidly, Trump undermined Sandoval’s attempt to make the GOP the dominant party in Nevada politics and cost Republicans several winnable races. Trump and Heck ran essentially even. Rejecting Trump didn’t hurt Heck. Sharing a ballot with Trump did that.

  399. Conservative Populist says:

    Wes, your peddling horse hockey. Heck would have been better off had he not overreacted. Besides, Sandoval is really to blame for not running himself – he would have won. Reid, to his credit, employed his superior organization, to get out the Dem vote. GOP could not match which explains the results in NV.

  400. marc says:

    No state that Trump won did a GOP Senator lose, the same for states won by Clinton. The partisan divide is getting worse and it is why Red state Democrats up in 2018 should be scared.

  401. Jake says:

    420. Fair enough Wes.

    421. Sandoval would have been a shoo in, for sure.

    Adam Laxalt is a rising star though

  402. marc says:

    Trump dislikes Ayotte thinks that she is disloyal, she will not be nominated for anything in his administration or to the federal court. Sadly I think her federal public service days are over.

  403. NYCmike says:

    -I credit Tom Cruise for this. He tried to indoctrinate her into Scientology, but she got out.

    She is not about to let the Democrat Party/Hollywood do the same.

  404. Conservative Populist says:

    423. Re NV, GOP needs to stay competitive in LV and Reno. Washoe County (Reno) used to be solidly GOP. Heck carried it narrowly, but Trump lost there narrowly. NV one of the few states left where union vote holds sway. GOP needs to act accordingly.

  405. Wes says:

    You can disagree with number all you like, CP. The reality says something different. Indeed, Sandoval would have won despite Trump. That’s because he transcends party though. Heck was a good candidate, but wasn’t as strong as Sandoval. Thus, like all Nevada Republicans on the ballot in 2016, Heck shared Trump’s fate in the Silver State.

  406. Wes says:

    Nevada wasn’t the only state Trump hurt the GOP in. He lost ground in Texas, caused New Mexico to morph solidly Dem, stumbled in Arizona, and made no headway in Colorado.

    Identity politics is a dangerous thing. Trump and Obama are both examples of that. Whites went GOP because of Obama, and Republicans in western states stumbled because Trump made no appeals to Latinos.

    Trump needs to find a way to hold his coliation while expanding it, or a Dem clone of the 2008 Obama can beat him in 2020.

  407. Conservative Populist says:

    Wes, I wasn’t disputing the numbers. I dispute your notion of Trump’s “identity politics.” Trump shared the ballot with Toomey, Burr, and Johnson and yet they all won. Trump’s campaign was a populist appeal to all – not identity politics. That was the failed approach of Clinton (with an assist from Obama).

  408. Wes says:

    NC, PA, and WI are all states with lower Latino populations than TX, CO, NM, AZ, and NV, CP.

    That’s the danger of identity politics:

    Gaining with one group can hurt with others. Trump also won those states by running up support among rural and exurban whites. That was less of a factor in NV, where Dems counterbalanced Trump’s coalition by overwheliming the GOP with their own voters.

  409. Wes says:

    I wonder if Walt ever saw Megalodon and Livyatan fight. That must have been a sight.

  410. Conservative Populist says:

    Wes, Trump sought votes from all. He ran better with Latinos than Romney did. That’s start. Same for his share of the AA vote. As long as Obama hung over the landscape, minority voters were solidly in his corner. But you abet the bogus Trump-is-a-racist meme by mischaracterizing the election.

  411. Wes says:

    I never said Trump is a racist, CP. I said he tailored his message to a specific demographic. That’s identity politics regardless of how you want to characterize it. The results speak for themselves. He helped the GOP in the South and Midwest and clearly hurt them in the West.

  412. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Now that is seems likely that Megalodon only ate dwarf whales, that fight may been pretty weak. Megalodon seems like a priss.

  413. Wes says:

    I still think Megalodon would have kicked some major ass in primeval oceans, Bitter. Livyatan and Basilosaurus would probably have kicked its ass though.

  414. Trump says:

    You pander to minorities, you lose whites. See the fate of the Democratic Party. Keep up the identity politics, and soon whites will be voting en bloc like minorities.

    Trump’s fate in 2020 will depend upon the economy. Just like it always does for incumbents in presidential elections. Everything else is meaningless.

  415. jason says:

    Between jason and Wes, I love the fact that my wisdom is finally seeping through the layers”.

    Zzzzzz…. find somewhere where I ever said I found Trump acceptable as a candidate. Anywhere.

    Can’t find it? GFY.

  416. DW says:



    Gillespie (R) 44%
    Northam (D) 41%

    Gillespie (R) 45%
    Perriello (D) 36%

  417. DW says:

    D/R/I of that poll was 40/33/27

  418. Wes says:

    Trump the poster is too stupid to know the difference between pandering and appealing. Campaigning for Latino votes doesn’t require either pandering or alienating whites.

    The Texas Republicans are a case in point. They hold their white base and peel off sizable chunks of the Latino vote. These things needn’t be an either/or situation except to people–like Trump the poster and many Democrats–actively looking to exclude certain types of voters from electoral coalitions.

  419. jason says:

    Watching the view election special.

    Jay Behar just said if Trump won she would be there “every day to bash him”.

  420. Wes says:

    That’s good news for Gillespie, DW. Northam beat a disaster of a candidate in 2013 by a 55-45 margin, suggesting to me he’s not exactly a stellar candidate.

  421. DW says:

    an unusual entry in my election night atlas:

    9:43 pm
    During a commercial break, NBC runs an ad featuring a service for people to call a hotline if they believe they have a loved-one who is suicidal.

  422. DW says:

    446 – it is good news. I have Gillespie as an early favorite. He will do much better in Northern VA than Trump did, and he will benefit from the stirred up Trump forces in the rural areas.

  423. DW says:

    a humorous entry in my atlas:

    10:02 pm
    NBC reports from King of Prussia, PA where the reporter in a bar and has one table of Trump supporters next to a table of Clinton supporters. A female Trump supporter is excited at the direction the election is going. The reporter then shifts to the Clinton supporter table, to ask them about their support for her in the Philadelphia suburbs. The first supporter says she is actually from Illinois, and so the reporter shifts to the next person at the table who says she is actually from another country and so she couldn’t vote.

  424. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Have been a strong Rubio supporter in the past; but if Rubio votes against Tillerson, Rubio is dead to me. Would never support him for any office in the future

  425. Barrett says:

    I still contend that Livyatan would win, based solely on jaw strength/size

  426. Barrett says:

    But Livyatans have a weakness against feminist rhetoric. If the Megalodon was an independent female, he may have a difficult time.

  427. DW says:

    one of the things I am zeroing in on for my election night coverage atlas is the moment each network for the first time acknowledged that WI existed. Most networks just said it was too early to call at the 9pm close. But then it was simply ignored by some of the networks–NBC chief among them. Even as late as 10:30 there was not a whisper about the state since the 9pm close, even though the state had measureable returns and a clear direction by 10:30.

  428. Cash Cow TM says:



    (to go with the 350 tons already on hand)

    so that is 960,000 pounds of uranium or 15,360 ounces of uranium.

    The population of Iran is about 78 million so that means they only have about one ounce of uranium for every 5 Iranian citizens.

    So if I was Iranian leader, I would want to get more boatloads of uranium.

    You can never have too much uranium…
    For peaceful purposes of course…like making radioactive watch hands that glow in the dark…

  429. DW says:

    NBC EXCLUSIVE: Democratic Rep. John Lewis says Trump not a ‘legitimate president,’ citing Russian meddling

    ‘I don’t see this president-elect as a legitimate president,’ Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) told ‘Meet the Press’ moderator Chuck Todd in an exclusive interview on Friday. ‘I think the Russians participated in helping this man get elected. And they helped destroy the candidacy of Hillary Clinton,’ he said, adding: ‘I don’t plan to attend the inauguration. It will be the first one that I miss since I’ve been in Congress.’ For more of the interview watch ‘Meet the Press Daily’ on Friday at 5 p.m. ET, and this Sunday morning.

    —where was he when Democrats won with the support of all sorts of foreign money pouring in?

  430. Walt says:

    One time I did see a battle between a Megalodon, a Brontosaurus, an Allosaurus and a Thesaurus.

    It was a sight to behold.

    I have no words to describe…especially after the Thesaurus got ripped to pieces.


  431. Wes says:

    Barrett, we believe based on observation of existing sharks female Megalodons were the larger sex. Meanwhile,since Livyatan was closely related to the sperm whale, the male Livyatan would have been larger.

    Ergo, a male Livyatan vs a female Megalodon would have been the fairest fight.

    The Left would be all over that as sexist once those two behemoths clashed.

  432. NYCmike says:

    “got ripped to pieces.”

    -The Thesaurus would recommend you use the word “morsels”, in this instance.

  433. Wes says:

    Apatosaurus (the real name of Brontosaurus) could reach 90 feet long, meaning it was bigger than a humpback whale. The Megalodon (59 Fett) and Allosaurus (40-45 feet) would have to team up to take it out.

    The Thesaurus would be trying to find synonyms for “ROAR!.”

  434. Wes says:

    Feet, not Fett. I guess Autocorrect is a fan of Empire Strikes Back.

  435. DW says:

    “BREAKING: House Republicans join Senate to complete major first step in repealing Obamacare

    The House passed a bill Friday that officially completed the first of a two-step process to repeal the Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare. The measure passed 227 to 198 with no Democrats supporting it and nine GOP members voting against it. Leadership was able to gain the support of enough Republicans to pass the bill, despite concerns among members worried there was no plan to replace Barack Obama’s signature healthcare law.”

  436. Cash Cow TM says:

    ‘The Thesaurus would be trying to find synonyms for “ROAR!.” ‘

    Or synonym for “crap my pants.”

  437. Waingro says:

    #462, GOOD.

  438. DW says:

    I am worried that there were worried Republicans who worried about nothing to replace Obamacare.

    Even if someone argued that what we had before Obamacare was junk, Obamacare was junk, cubed. So repealing it just gets us back to junk.

  439. NYCmike says:

    “I am worried that there were worried Republicans who worried about nothing to replace Obamacare.”

    -Whatever you do, don’t think of challenging them in a primary. Wes will get as mad as a Hadrocodium.

  440. NYCmike says:

    I have already seen 2 articles about insurance companies “worrying” about the repeal of Obamacare. They will be attacking on all levels.

  441. DW says:

    “President Obama discusses race, his legacy and Russian hacking in a special interview with Lester Holt

    The president reflected on the accomplishments and setbacks of his historic tenure in a wide-ranging interview with NBC’s Lester Holt. ‘Sometimes we take a step back … before we start going forward again. But that’s not a cause for despair,’ Obama said.”

    Wow, I agree with Obama for once! His presidency was a huge step back, and now we can start moving forward again.

  442. NYCmike says:

    Hopefully, those Republicans are from districts where it is a contested election. At least they would have a reason to be worried.

  443. NYCmike says:

    I have to believe that Trump, Tom Price, and Congressional Republicans are ready to debate at least one replacement for Obamacare, or at least certain parts or ideas (catastrophic plans, across state lines, etc).

    Maybe they are allowing the Dems/media to keep repeating “BUT they have no plan!” over and over, so that when they present a plan, it takes the air out of the balloon……

  444. NYCmike says:

    -Interview with Jim Mattis.

    Wow, impressive person, need to learn more from him.

  445. NYCmike says:

    Gillibrand should listen to him when he speaks about how peoples in the Middle East think about women, modernity, etc.

  446. NYCmike says:

    “We are all trying to make sense of this world.”

    -I need to listen more….

  447. Wes says:

    Just don’t let those Republicans voting for Obamacare repeal run without having Deadenders undercut them in the general. NYCMike needs his Deadenders to run defense for the Democrats just as Norris did for the Mi-go in H. P. Lovecraft’s Whisperer in Darkness.

  448. NYCmike says:


    Now, back to the show!

  449. Mr.Vito says:

    I’ve seen some back and forth on Ayotte and the third party and Trump and whatnot.

    Since Sununu did not back away from Trump and won the Governorship with a Libertarian on the ballot who took a higher percentage than Day, I think the situation is more complex than anyone has proffered thus far.

  450. Wes says:

    I was looking to win the battle of obscure references, Mike.

  451. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    456. “‘I think the Russians participated in helping this man get elected. And they helped destroy the candidacy of Hillary Clinton,’”

    Yes, releasing Clinton’s actual E-mails showing how much she was lying to the American people was a horrible act; the American people have know business knowing how badly she was lying to them.

  452. Wes says:

    Vito, Ayotte faced Hassan and had Day–who actively campaigned to undermine her vote–and a Libertarian run against her. She lost 47.9-48.

    Republicans running for House also lost by narrow pluralities when Libertarians split their vote.

  453. Wes says:

    Not too long ago, I debated some leftist moron who said the Russians stole the election by hacking the DNC. He also said I’m a Trumpkin because even though I didn’t vote for Trump, Trump’s kids also didn’t vote for the President-elect. Somehow I’m a Trumpkin because of that.

    I was actually amused at his frothing idiocy. Then he took a page out of Bitter’s playbook and went all Godwin’s Law. I promptly realized he wasn’t worth my time and refused to acknowledge him further.

  454. Mr.Vito says:

    Looking at the exit polls, Sununu and Ayotte did basically the same with republican men and women, and maybe dem men… she did better with independent men.

    Sununu did better with democrats and independent women….
    so it had to be more than that… it sounds like the libertarian in Sununu’s race was more attractive to Dems than Day was in the other race.

  455. Mr.Vito says:

    That is the libertarian in the Governor’s race probably helped Sununu win.

  456. Mr.Vito says:

    Alternatively, Hassan was simply a stronger candidate that the Dems wouldn’t break ranks for…

  457. Wes says:

    She also had a stronger opponent than Oster as well as a theoretically conservative third-party opponent blasting her as insufficiently conservative and openly working to help Hassan win.

    Notice Hassan took 48% with no splits in her vote while Oster took 46%.

  458. Wes says:

    Hassan was the Dems’ strongest candidate. Senate races are more partisan than gubernatorial ones. Hassan had a unified vote while Ayotte had a three-way split including a Deadender who said he ran to ensure Hassan would win. Trump was no help because Hillary won the state.

    All of this spelled Sarnathian doom for Ayotte. Removal of Day and/or the Libertarian would have eliminated the perfect storm that ended Ayotte’s Senate career.

  459. Wes says:

    Let’s assume Day doesn’t run and half his vote stays home. That’s about 8850 voters who would have voted for him on the ballot.

    These are conservatives, so except for the fringes looking to “send a message,” Hassan has no appeal to them.

    Now let’s say that fringe is a third of them. Thus, they split 5900 Ayotte-2950 Hassan.

    That means Ayotte wins by about 2850 votes.

  460. Wes says:

    Of course I don’t buy the idea that half Day’s vote would have stayed home without him. I was just throwing out a number.

    I’ve never bought the idea that voters ideologically attracted to a third-party candidate would have stayed home en masse and cost the more ideologically synchronous candidate the election in so doing.

    I didn’t buy it with Nader in 2000, and I don’t buy it here.

  461. Mr.Vito says:

    One percent more white men voted major party in the Ayotte race than the Sununu race, and Ayotte did marginally better.

    The same percent of women voted major party in the two races and Ayotte performed worse.

    However, 5% more nonwhites voted major party in the Senate race, and voted Hassan 4-1.

  462. Mr.Vito says:

    55% of voters nationally would have not voted in the Prez race, so it seems reasonable.

  463. lisab says:

    For peaceful purposes of course…like making radioactive watch hands that glow in the dark…

    uranium doesn’t glow in the dark

  464. Wes says:

    Well, even with the numbers I tossed out, Vito, Hassan had no path to victory if Day hadn’t been running. She maxed her vote out at 48% even with stronger support than Oster among women and minorities.

  465. Mr.Vito says:

    But based on the trajectories in 489… if we assume that everyone would have still voted, Without any third party candidates, then Ayotte still would have lost.

    Ayotte bigger problem is that she seniors 50-49 while Sununu won them 50-48 and Trump split… and she also lost women more than Trump and Sununu did.

  466. Mr.Vito says:

    It appears that more New Hampshire women simply thought Hassan was the better woman, and Sununu was the better man.

  467. Mr.Vito says:

    But that might be because of something Aaron Day did…

    But, if we think unity is best for all candidates, then it probably would have been best if Ayotte had simply stuck with Trump… because it didn’t help her do better with women than Trump.

  468. lisab says:

    ayotte was invited to trump’s rallies including his 2nd to last one in maine

    she declined

    and it was widely broadcast on talk radio

  469. Mr.Vito says:

    Actually it was a wash…

    Hassan 55-42
    Clinton 54-41

  470. Mr.Vito says:

    And Ostern 52-45

  471. Wes says:

    How do you figure, Vito?

    Day got about 17,700 votes.

    Splitting them 2-1 for Ayotte means they go 11800 for Ayotte and 5900 for Hassan, meaning Hassan loses by 5800 approximately.

    That’s with the Libertarian in the race still. From what I’ve read, the Libertarian in the race was more conservative than the Libertarian running for Governor, so if we split his 13,000 votes even 3-2 Hassan Ayotte, that’s 7800-5200 for Ayotte.

    I see no path to victory for Hassan in a one-on-one race. I’m even allocating what I think is Hassan’s likeliest share of the third-party vote in a race no Green appeared in.

    Had a Green been in the race, I’d reassess depending on his/her share of the vote and maybe say Hassan would have won anyway.

    As it stands, I see nothing underscoring that conclusion even with the demographics you mention.

    The ideological differences between Hassan and the people Day appealed to don’t point to increased Hassan appeal.

    That, and Day crowed after the election about having been the reason for Ayotte’s loss.

  472. lisab says:

    my friend locked her keys inside her car outside an abortion clinic.

    asked for a coat hanger

    got arrested 🙂

  473. Wes says:

    Saying Hassan would have done better with Day off ballot than otherwise is like saying Bush would have done better in 2000 with Nader off ballot than on. It completely ignores the ideology of the people the third-party candidate appealed to.

  474. Mr.Vito says:

    I just used the numbers… when the people who voted third party in the Gov. race decided to cast major ballots in the senate race it hurt Ayotte…

  475. lisab says:

    Prince William tells grieving little girl: ‘I lost my mummy…too’

    STRATFORD, LONDON, England – Prince William rarely speaks about the death of his mother Princess Diana, but he thought it might help a 9-year-old girl he met at a London charity.

    Aoife lost her father to pancreatic cancer, and is still grieving about his death.

    William sat with the little girl and told her about how he lost a parent.

    “You know I lost my mummy when I was very young too. I was [15] and my brother was 12. So we lost our mummy when we were young as well.”

    “Do you speak about your daddy? It’s very important to talk about it. Very, very important.”

    He also told children at the Centre that he felt very angry when his mother died, and stressed again how important it is for them to talk about it. “Sometimes it hurts but we can remember the happy things too. It is so important to talk.”

  476. Mr.Vito says:

    Then I allocated the rest by that same rate…

  477. Mr.Vito says:

    At any rate… I did not say anyone was wrong, but that it was more complex and not clear cut. I think I’ve made that case.

  478. Mr.Vito says:

    If you had a binary choice, you would have chosen McCain and Trump?

  479. Mr.Vito says:

    After all the neverTrump business, I have to lend some credence to the idea that someone who still won’t pull the trigger by Election Day, really wasn’t going to pull the trigger on Election Day.

  480. Wes says:

    You also pointed out the Libertarian in the gubernatorial race was somewhat liberal while we know Day is a conservative.

    Thus, while I’m willing to concede the Libertarian running for Governor hurt Ostern (although since Sununu won 49-46, I’m not sure Ostern would have won without him on the ballot), Day clearly hurt Ayotte with his candidacy because was actively working to peel off Ayotte’s voters.

    If Day felt Hassan would win without him on the ballot, then why did he run and actively work to undermine Ayotte?

    Had the race been 49-47 for Hassan with a Green, then, yes, I’d say Hassan would have been inevitable no matter what.

    As it stands, I see no way to conclude Day wasn’t the final decisive factor in Hassan’s victory.

    Demographics didn’t help her, but a split among her voters is what doomed Ayotte.

  481. Mr.Vito says:

    I mean… these people clearly knew they were throwing their vote in the garbage because they didn’t want to throw it on the other two piles of feces as if that would make them stink less.

    Take away the garbage can and they probably make paper airplanes.

  482. Mr.Vito says:

    I guess… if you think nonwhites or women or conservatives that thought Ayotte was unworthy of their vote would have pulled the trigger for her instead of sticking it to her.

  483. Mr.Vito says:

    It was funny when Sanders got booed horribly for trying to get his supporters to vote for Hillary.

  484. Mr.Vito says:

    Well, the greens might throw it in the dem feces for compost and demand more recycling bins…

  485. Bitterlaw says:

    He also told children at the Centre that he felt very angry when his mother died, and stressed again how important it is for them to talk about it. “Sometimes it hurts but we can remember the happy things too. It is so important to talk.”

    zzzzzzz. My mom loved cigarettes nd vodka. I haven’t missed her one day in 14 years.

  486. lisab says:

    that is unfortuate

    why don’t you share your memories with us

  487. Bitterlaw says:

    Any alleged conservative who did not for Ayotte had to know they were electing Hassan..

  488. lisab says:

    ayotte went out of her way to insult trump supporters

    that was her choice

  489. jason says:

    Ayotte did not lose because she followed her conscience. Neither did Heck.

    Trump didn’t win NH either. Or Nevada.

    The senators that stayed away most from Trump, McCain, Portman and Toomey and even Rubio did much better than Trump.

  490. Wes says:

    Trump ran 8000 votes behind Ayotte. It`s a stretch not borne out by numbers to say distancing herself from Trump hurt her.

  491. jason says:

    I just poured myself a triple vodka martini.

    Vodka so cold it poured like syrup.

  492. jason says:

    Truth be known, Ayotte probably got more votes than lost by distancing herself from Trump.

  493. jason says:

    yotte went out of her way to insult trump supporters

    that was her choice”

    She never insulted any Trump supporters.

    Show me one quote where she insulted Trump supporters.

    What it looks like is she got everybody who voted for Trump and some who didn’t.

  494. Wes says:

    The Trumkins like to say disavowing Trump cost Republican Senate candidates elections. They can never account for why NeverTrump Senators such as McCain and Portman not only won but ran better than Trump. That pretty much kills the narrative.

  495. jason says:

    There does not seem to be ONE candidate that distanced themselves from Trump and lost because of it.

    However, I think enthusiasm for Trump helped turnout among blue collar voters and did help elect some Republicans, a rising tide lifts all boats.

    I was wrong in thinking Trump would bring down a lot of Republicans, that did not happen.

  496. lisab says:

    “The senators that stayed away most from Trump, McCain, Portman and Toomey and even Rubio did much better than Trump.”

    which does not mean ayotte would not have done better if she did not alienate the trump voters

    she did not need to embrace trump

    just not piss off slightly over 1000 trump voters

  497. lisab says:

    “Trump ran 8000 votes behind Ayotte. It`s a stretch not borne out by numbers to say distancing herself from Trump hurt her.”

    she did not just distance herself from trump

    she publicly said she would not be voting for him

    she did not need to do that — she certainly had every right to do that — but she went out of her way to anger trump partisans

  498. lisab says:

    btw, i am not advocating that ayotte SHOULD have acted against her good conscience and not publicly gone against trump if that was what her conscience told her

    just that it was not the best way to maximize her votes

    hassan certainly distanced herself from hillary but walked back implying hillary was not trustworthy and certainly did not say she would not vote for hillary

    politically that was the smarter move

  499. Wes says:

    For the math challenged among us, running 8000 votes behind a candidate for another office on the same ballot doesn’t exactly mean someone has votes to provide to the other person.

  500. Cash Cow TM says:

    This is redicculus!


    After a tweet that turned viral, the person behind the tweet is no longer an employee of Frederick County Public Schools (FCPS).

    On Jan 5th, a student tweeted “close school tammarow PLEASE”. But as you can see, tomorrow was misspelled and Katie Nash, who was the Web Services Coordinator of FCPS, responded to the student with, “but, how would you learn how to spell ‘tomorrow’ 🙂 .”

    WHAG talked with Nash on Friday, who confirmed that she was the one that sent the tweet and she also said that she has been fired from FCPS.”

  501. lisab says:

    yes, for the math challenged

    wes is at the minimum affirming the consequent

    which is of course a logical fallacy

  502. lisab says:

    hassan also did better than hillary and she also distanced herself from hillary

    she did not however say she would not vote for hillary and go out of her way to piss off hillary die-hards while ayotte did piss of trump die-hards

    the question is how many ayotte votes would she have lost if she had not specifically said she would vote against trum


    the amount of votes she lost by specifically saying she would vote against trump

  503. Wes says:

    Or we can apply Occam’s Razor and say since Ayotte won 8,000 more votes than Trump in a race that garnered nearly 15,000 more votes than the presidential race and carried more counties than Trump in the state, there is no evidence Ayotte had any votes to gain among Trump’s supporters.

  504. Wes says:

    Veteran House Paulbot Justin Amash voted AGAINST ACA repeal.

    I thought Paulbots claimed to be conservatives.


    Of course Amash is a fringe lunatic wanting to “stick it to the man”–i e, the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil GOP “Establishment”–so NYCMike will make an excuse for the vote.

  505. jason says:

    Amash is a Paulbot moron or is that repeating myself.

  506. jason says:

    I guess lisab could not come up with any example of where Ayotte “went out of her way to insult Trump supporters”

    Didn’t think so.

    The facts are clear, Ayotte distancing herself from Trump did not hurt her in the election, she did better than Trump and the reasons she did better was distancing herself from Trump got her some moderate/women/Indy votes Trump did not get.

    lisab can keep repeating that Ayotte lost because she didn’t support Trump, but there is no evidence of that. Nada. Zilch. Zero.

    Mr. Vito does have a point about deadenders are deadenders and you can’t assume Day’s voters would have pulled the lever for Ayotte. But as Wes pointed out, you wouldn’t have needed too many to give her the win.

  507. jason says:

    NYC can keep fooling himself but “repeal” of Obamacare will never happen.

    It will be called something else but basically someone else will be paying the tab for preserving the popular parts of Obamacare such as pre-existing conditions and insuring children up to 27. That train left the station when Obamacare passed and was upheld by SCOTUS.

    The best that can be done is to make it more market friendly and less regulated and more competitive. In essence what will come out is a new and improved Obamacare.

    I have called this for years. And Trump is on record as saying he believes in universal health care as an entitlement from birth.

    The cheapest way to resolve this would have been to preserve the system for the 85% of Americans that were satisfied with their HC and then provided taxpayer subsidized INSURANCE for the remaining 15%. You didn’t need a 3000 page bill to do that. But its too late now.

  508. Cash Cow TM says:

    Today is a GREAT day!

    Today will be Obama’s LAST weekly radio address to the nation.

  509. Cash Cow TM says:

    Susy Que just texted me.

    She said she is upset.
    Said she heard on radio that there was a bad winter storm somewhere and they said they were going to keep Cruz out in the bad weather for the duration of the storm.

    She wants to know why they are doing this to Sen. Cruz

  510. Cash Cow TM says:

    Make America Wait Again

  511. Walt says:

    So far, I have no chores or errands today.

    Anybody got anything they want me to do?
    Or suggestions of what I should get into?

    Thinking about restacking all the towels and washcloths by color.

  512. Jake says:

    At least Trump put old race baiting fossil, John Lewis, in his place this morning. His Atlanta district is a dump, and he has been in that seat for 30 years. Both he and Obama did squat to fix it.

  513. Walt says:

    Spoke too soon.

    I now how a list of both chores and errands.

  514. jason says:

    Both he and Obama did squat to fix it.’

    Look at the margins Lewis and Obama got in that district.

    Why fix it?

  515. jason says:

    Walt, you have to make her think you are already busy doing something.

    Unfortunately my wife doesn’t think watching sports is “doing something”.

  516. jason says:

    Also my wife has these labor division ideas that are a crock. “I will go exchange something at Kohl’s, you go to Pet Smart and buy dog food”.

    The problem is she wants to go to Kohl’s, I don’t want to go to Pet Smart to buy dog food.

  517. jason says:

    I will be rooting for the Texans, the Falcons, the Cowboys and the Steelers.

    They could all easily lose.

  518. lisab says:

    Or we can apply Occam’s Razor and say since Ayotte won 8,000 more votes than Trump in a race that garnered nearly 15,000 more votes than the presidential race and carried more counties than Trump in the state, there is no evidence Ayotte had any votes to gain among Trump’s supporters.

    that would be an inappropriate use of occam’s razor as it assumes that ayotte got every vote that trump got plus 8000, which is very unlikely

    the far more likely scenario is that:

    there were people who voted for ayotte who did not vote for trump

    and people who voted for trump who did not vote for ayotte

    much like what happened on the democrat side, although hassan was less anti-hillary than ayotte was anti-trump.

    what is unknown, and cannot be known, is had ayotte taken a slightly milder line against trump, like hassan did against hillary, if she would have won more trump supporters — which is likely

    but would it have been 1100+?

    it is known she publicly blew off trump at his penultimate rally on november 7th. it was all over radio that day that she was not going, because one of the mc’s was howie carr, a leading radio talk show host in the area. he talked about ayotte all afternoon.

  519. lisab says:

    ny state is going with free tuition at state schools

  520. Walt says:


    late pun time
    I, me petulant
    mutate nipl(l)e
    ultimate pen

  521. lisab says:

    penultimate means last but one walt

    as in

    the penultimate location of john brown’s bell was west virginia

  522. jason says:

    Pelosi blames Bush for the 9 trillion added under Obama.

  523. jason says:

    what is unknown, and cannot be known, is had ayotte taken a slightly milder line against trump, like hassan did against hillary, if she would have won more trump supporters — which is likely”

    Complete drivel and BS. It IS known, the numbers don’t lie.

    Ayotte paid ZERO price for following her conscience, she did actually did better than Trump.

    There is no evidence that her distancing herself from Trump cost her any votes, but there is plenty of evidence she got MORE votes from people who did not vote for Trump, presumably because some people liked her stance.

    And of course the argument that she “insulted Trump supporters” is a lie that lisab has not been able to substantiate with one singe quote.

    McCain, Portman, Rubio, Heck, Ayotte and others followed their consciences, I have no trouble at all with that, since I did the same thing.

    There is no evidence whatsoever that ANY of them paid any price in the election for their stands on principle.

    And finally, anyone who believed Hassan was different from Hillary is a complete moron.

  524. jason says:

    there were people who voted for ayotte who did not vote for trump

    and people who voted for trump who did not vote for ayotte”

    And since she got more votes than he did its obvious that if anything her stance WON her more votes than it cost her.

    But lisab can continue what she does best, a war on logic.

  525. jason says:

    the amount of votes she lost by specifically saying she would vote against trump”

    Actually she never said that either, she said she would not vote FOR him.

    Remember, here at HHR the prevailing argument was the only way to vote AGAINST Hillary was to vote for Trump.

    My minority view was AGAINST Hillary was not on the ballot.

  526. jason says:

    Wow this guy was 12 when WWI started and was still around.

    “Chinese linguist Zhou Youguang, who created the writing system that turns Chinese characters into words using letters from the Roman alphabet, has died aged 111.

    Mr Zhou and a Communist party committee spent three years developing the Pinyin system in the 1950s.

    It changed the way the language was taught and helped raise literacy rates.

    Mr Zhou, who was born in 1906 during the Qing Dynasty, later became a fierce critic of China’s communist rulers.

    He died in Beijing on Saturday a day after his birthday, Chinese media reported.”

  527. jason says:

    “Gruden, 53, is already nine years removed since the last time he stalked an NFL sideline. He is also one of ESPN’s highest-paid employees, reportedly making in the neighborhood of $6.5 million per year. While he could make more in the NFL — speculation has been that he could make $9-10 million per year in the NFL — he would not have nearly as much job security as he currently has at ESPN.

    In other words, teams will still continue to pursue Gruden, but unless his attitude towards the coaching restrictions changes, it would seem that Chucky’s NFL coaching career is over.”

    6.5 million in a warm booth is better than 9 million freezing my ass off on the sideline.

    – Jon Gruden

  528. Walt says:

    Recent President Obama job approval ratings.
    His JAR is either
    +5,8,14,16,21 or 22
    (some are A, some RV. some LV)

    You pick which one you think is most accurate.

    1/11 – 1/13
    1500 A
    58 37 +21
    Rasmussen Reports
    1/10 – 1/12
    1500 LV
    60 38 +22
    1/7 – 1/10
    1069 RV
    51 46 +5
    1/6 – 1/10
    1787 A
    52 44 +8
    1/5 – 1/9
    899 RV
    55 39 +16
    1/3 – 1/9
    904 A
    55 41 +14

  529. Bitterlaw says:

    Remember, here at HHR the prevailing argument was the only way to vote AGAINST Hillary was to vote for Trump. My minority view was AGAINST Hillary was not on the ballot.

    It was on my ballot. That is why Trump received one more vote in PA than Hillary because of me. I don’t know what was on the ballot in York County. 60,000 (or whatever it was) more voters like Jason and Hillary wins PA.

  530. Bitterlaw says:

    Poor Walt. Another old guy died. Not even close to Walt’s age but still sad.

  531. Wes says:

    I wonder if Walt remembers planting the first redwood.

  532. Wes says:

    Bitterlaw, Lady Gaga–hot or not?

    I have a hard time assessing that one.

  533. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – I say hot but only because she is so weird. I am afraid of her.

  534. Wes says:

    Heh. The government shut down the escorts on Backpage.

    D ondero hardest hit.

  535. Walt says:


    Is the refrigerator sparkly clean now?

  536. Bitterlaw says:

    Tough choice today. Seattle is coached by a 9/11 Truther. Atlanta is in the South. I guess I prefer Atlanta winning but both teams annoy me.

  537. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt – Yes! I got a little crazy and cleaned the counters and stove, too.

  538. Cash Cow TM says:


    last tee

  539. janz says:

    Anything that denies Soros money, a platform, or simple pleasures is fine with me. Furthermore, may the mayhem he is generating around the world come back to roost on his own head.

  540. Wes says:


  541. Wes says:


    lest ate

  542. Wes says:

    Seahawks are thugs. I’m glad the Falcons stomped them.

  543. Barrett says:

    John Lewis needs to crawl back into the hole full of racists he came out of

  544. DW says:


    Sabato very, very quick to clean his page of 2016 and move on to 2020:

    Trying to recall…I think he had Clinton getting 340 EVs or some absurd number.

  545. Cash Cow TM says:


    set tale
    latest E

  546. DW says:

    Found it in Sabato’s archives:

    Clinton 322, Trump 216; 50-50 Senate; GOP holds House

    Sabato had Hillary winning FL, NC, WI, MI, and PA.

    WI he had at a Likely D ranking, not Lean or Tossup.

  547. DW says:


    A so tab
    bat as O
    To Saab
    At a SOB

  548. DW says:

    Sabato also had John Katko (R-Inc) of NY_24 as only a “Leans Republican.”

    Katko barely won 61% to 39%.

  549. Tina says:

    Jebot rubin is against defunding planned parenthood. We all know that jennifer rubin is a conservstive.

  550. Cash Cow TM says:


    and also:

    A boats
    a boast
    oat abs
    stab a O
    [the] boa sat

  551. jason says:

    Cheatriots look like crap against the lowly Texans.

    But I don’t expect a miracle.

  552. jason says:

    “I don’t know what was on the ballot in York County”

    It was for Trump or for Hillary or for Johnson or for Stein. I looked closely.

  553. Bitterlaw says:

    Good thing the voters in PA, WI, Mich, and Florida had better eyes than Jason. Against Hillary was clearly on the ballot for those willing to look for it.

  554. jason says:

    We can call him Sharp-eyed Bitter from now on.

  555. jason says:

    Ray Lewis to Tom Brady who was whining about getting hit.

    “It’s called football Brady”

  556. Wes says:

    As opposed to murder–something Lewis is intimately familiar with.

  557. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In just five days, the leftists who have been running the U.S. will be out. Good-bye and good riddance.

  558. Jake says:

    Sabato has his wig on too tight. What a hack. He said Hillary would win Virginia by 15%. Does not even know his own state.

  559. Jake says:

    John Lewis is a 30 year political office holder. He should not be immune to flak because he marched at Selma.

    The MSM has always protected him and the other grifters like Jesse Jackson and Bobby Rush.

  560. janz says:

    I am cautiously looking forward to Trump’s presidency. He will certainly have lots of challenges to address, as well as a testy nation not allowing for the normal “honeymoon” period in getting adjusted to his responsibilities.

    Like everything else, though, associated with this election, we are entering novel territory of governance. I only hope Trump meets, if not exceeds, all expectations.

  561. Jake says:

    Janz. to me, it is all about the Judges. as long as he is on the same page with the Senate GOP on the courts, he will be a huge success.

  562. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If Clinton had won, we would have gone into the abyss; and the country radically transformed into a leftist paradise.

    At least with Trump, we can hold the line with judges, Second Amendment, less government control, etc. Also, since his election Trump has aggressively resisted all the Democratic attempts to make mischief and prevent his taking office. He is pretty decisive, if at times abrupt, as a leader. Not being politically correct has probably worked in his favor; any sign of weakness would have caused the leftists to pounce on him. At this point he still has them intimidated.

  563. Tina says:

    Cowgirls getting blown out so far.

  564. Tina says:

    If the Russians were hacking the election for YEARS, why did our intelligence community just now discover it AFTER it was too late?

    Hmm. Million dollar question, mitchell..

  565. Tina says:

    Trumps tweets today for the intelligence comm to apologize are terrific. The jebots and snowflakes just cannot stand getting punched back.

  566. Cash Cow TM says:


    pirate I don’t
    Toni, I depart
    pitted on air
    I on date trip
    tepid ration
    O tired paint
    inept riot ad
    inept radio T

  567. Cash Cow TM says:

    Not very many posts today?

    Push this puppy to 6 Cs

  568. Barrett says:

    I’ll be joining my local Republican Club – Reagan Republicans of Towson, MD.

    I’m also changing from my affiliation from Libertarian to Republican.

  569. Wes says:

    Awesome game. It was great to see the Packers win on the final play of the game.

  570. Wes says:

    Keep MD away from any ledges if the Chiefs win.

  571. Wes says:

    It’s amazing how such a bland regular season can produce such a great second postseason week.

  572. Bitterlaw says:


  573. wvally says:

    On Friday morning, the Smithsonian’s National Portrait Gallery did what it’s always done before the inauguration of a new president and revealed a portrait of the man in question. So the public did what it’s always done, and came to see it.

    “Well, there he is,” a young woman said, pausing in front of the portrait and considering it with the discernment one gives to portraits of future leaders of the free world hanging in world-class art museums. “There he is,” she said again. “The future A-hole-in-chief.”


    No A-hole approved this. Illegitimate.

  574. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Are there weasel Cowboys fan in North Carolina who disappear for years and then come out of hiding when they get good again. They are a curse in Philadelphia.

  575. Bitterlaw says:

    We will sue the ass of anybody who misappropriates the A-hole brand for personal use.

  576. wvally says:

    Well it was in Wa Po. Possibly fake news.

  577. Cash Cow TM says:

    I hear PACKAMONDIUM has broken out in WI.

    They are burning big piles of cheese curds in celebration.

    Cheeseheads win 34-31.

  578. Wes says:

    You must be thrilled at the results in Arlington, Bitter.

  579. wvally says:

    I’m also changing from my affiliation from Libertarian to Republican.


    This restores the Republican majority among the A-holes, does it not?

  580. GF says:

    The Clinton Foundation is shuttering its doors for good on April 15th. Anyone else think this was just a pay for play scam?

  581. Walt says:

    Remember how NBA used Jerry West’s profile?

    Well Cash Cow was hired up in Canada when they were redoing their milk cow logo?

  582. NYCmike says:

    Clearly, jason labrador chihuahua needed a seeing-eye dog on Election Day.

  583. NYCmike says:

    “Keep MD away from any ledges if the Chiefs win.”

    -His wife is making him trim the hedges, so he won’t be near any ledges. She is expecting sandwiches at 10.

  584. PresidentPaul! says:

    The monster who made it to American shores and why Connor McGregor will not be able to defeat Khabib
    Khabib Nurmagomedov – Rise of a Savage

  585. PresidentPaul! says:

    “I’m also changing from my affiliation from Libertarian to Republican.”

    I always vote in the every GOP primary so need to stay republican. It’s best to only consider Libertarians for general elections.

  586. PresidentPaul! says:

    Trump Responds To CIA Chief Brennan, Asks “Was He The Leaker Of Fake News?”

  587. Cash Cow TM says:

    KC Coach Andy Reid is a genius.

  588. Bitterlaw says:

    Did you bet the playoff games, Wes?

  589. Tina says:

    Brennan is a joke, he has pased fake news before. See what he did around christmas in 2003 with the false alert.

  590. Cash Cow TM says:


  591. Cash Cow TM says:


  592. Cash Cow TM says:

    So the Souper Boll will be Stillers v. Packards

  593. Cash Cow TM says:


    a tribal rinse
    tar brains lie
    a snail tribe R

  594. Cash Cow TM says:

    …and who are the other two teams still left standing?

  595. Wes says:

    Falcons and Patriots, Walt.

    There are four phenomenal teams left in the playoffs. You probably haven’t seen such great althleticism since the heyday of the Roman Coliseum.

  596. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt was undefeated as a gladiator. Being immortal has perks.

  597. Bitterlaw says:

    I was against having a day to honor Dr. King when it was first proposed. I thought that it was just another excuse for a Federal holiday and was unnecessary. I was young and stupid and wrong.

    I place Dr. King’s “I have a dream” speech with the opening of the Declaration of Independence, the preamble to the Constitution and the Gettysburg Address as defining statements of what America should be about.

  598. Bitterlaw says:


  599. NYCmike says:


  600. Cash Cow TM says:

    Monday honk.

    No news to report.

  601. wvally says:

    Here’s my news: My mother called this morning to tell me she and my sister are joining the Women’s march on Washington on Saturday. Blech.

  602. Bitterlaw says:

    WV – You should be happy that they are exercising their First Amendment rights. Then go egg their houses.

  603. NYCmike says:


    Exercise is good! Feel the Bern….I mean BURN!

  604. Cash Cow TM says:

    Found this:

    Obama Job Approval trend from Dec 29 until Jan 16.

    -2 Dec 29
    +13 on Jan. 16

    If Trump inauguration was not until April Obama would reach 103% approval rating.

  605. NYCmike says:

    ” Then go egg their houses.”

    -Since they will be out, you can plant Trump/Pence signs on their lawn.

  606. wvally says:

    be happy that they are exercising their First Amendment rights


    They do this in my email box every day. It’s grand.

  607. NYCmike says:

    “They do this in my email box every day. It’s grand.”

    -You are lucky they aren’t A-Holes. They play dirty!

  608. Wes says:

    T minus 4 days, 1 hour, 4 minutes till I get to see if, yes, Rachel Maddow and Chris MAtthews can spontaneously combust.

  609. Wes says:

    We have a women’s march on Washington with an anti-choice march a week later.

    We need fewer one-issue people in this country.

  610. wvally says:

    My sister will be bringing an “anti-bullying” sign. My mother is bringing a “women’s issues” sign. They both hate Trump with a passion and are now convinced he is a Russian agent.

    Meanwhile my younger brother is an Afghan war veteran, fully convinced that Clinton/Bush/CIA/Saudi Arabia/Soros/Globalists/MSM sent him and his buddies to fight in war in which we funded the other side, who are now hellbent on war with Russia and destroying the ME for a Qatari pipeline to Europe.

    So our family email threads are very fun. I bite my tongue.

  611. Wes says:

    Well, WV, at least your brother knows the Clintons and Bushes are lying sacks of excrement. You have to give him credit for that.

  612. janz says:

    Wvally, does your mom and sister want you to join them at the rally/protest?

  613. NYCmike says:

    Wes says:
    January 16, 2017 at 10:58 am

    We have a women’s march on Washington with an anti-choice march a week later.

    We need fewer one-issue people in this country.

    -Yup. They had no “choice” at all in the matter, ALL of the women who had abortions.

    Wes, your total disregard for the lives of the unborn is truly a sight to behold. Kermit Gosnell would approve.

  614. wvally says:

    They know I wouldn’t join in on anything populated by a bunch left-wingers, janz.

    I stay out of the day to day back and forths, tho, bc what is the point? I just want my kids to have a fun time with grandma and Auntie and cousins. No interest in fighting with them about Trump.

  615. NYCmike says:

    “anti-choice march”

    -As an old girlfriend’s mother said to her, “Keep your legs crossed and study every night!”.

    Unfortunately for teenage me, the daughter listened to her Mom.

  616. Wes says:

    Exactly, Mike. I’m the father of two healthy kids, But I have complete disregard for the unborn.

    What the f uck are you shooting up to come to that conclusion?

  617. jason says:

    I think MLK is vastly overrated. It has nothing to do with race.

  618. Cash Cow TM says:

    Inauguration of new governor in WV today.
    Walt is NOT going to be there.

    though he was there for the new governor inauguration in 2004 and 2008.

    Walt says he cannot remember much about them and the pomp and circumstances except for being held outside on the steps of the capitol and it being cold. Very cold.

  619. jason says:

    “This restores the Republican majority among the A-holes, does it not?”

    I changed my affiliation from Republican to Independent.

  620. jason says:

    Andy Reid is the dumbest coach in the NFL, so it mildly irks me when the Chiefs or any team he coaches wins a game.

    I rooted for Atlanta, Dallas, Steelers and Texans.

    Batting 50%.

  621. Cash Cow TM says:

    Andy Reid is a genius.

    He burned his time outs early to lure the opposing team into being overconfident.

  622. jason says:

    Steelers coach calls the Cheatriots “a-holes”. This is a sore subject with me.

    “When you get to this point in the journey, man, not a lot needs to be said. Let’s say very little moving forward. Let’s start our preparation,” Tomlin, who could not be seen on camera, told the team. “We spotted them [a–holes] a day-and-a-half. They played yesterday; our game got moved to tonight. We’re gonna touch down at 4 o’clock in the [expletive] morning. So be it. We’ll be ready for that ass. But you ain’t got to tell them that we’re coming.”

  623. Wes says:

    I hope the Patriots stomp the Steelers.

  624. Tina says:

    The holding penalty against the chiefs looks questionable. Something younwoukd not see in a pkayogg game. I think harrison lost his footing.

  625. Tina says:

    So, where are gooner, arse, and mcamnesty. Ukraine tried to influence the election in favor of her thighness and no calls for a congrssionak review.

  626. NYCmike says:

    -It will be enjoyable to watch liberal Democrats and the media argue against this man.

  627. Mr.Vito says:

    “We’ll be ready for that ass. But you ain’t got to tell them that we’re coming.”

    Tomlin wins gayest post.

  628. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Rubio and the captain of the Titanic share something in common, when they make a mistake, it is a doozy.

    The comments to the article are brutal.

  629. NYCmike says:

    San Diego,

    BE CAREFUL! In 2013, I pointed out that Rubio made a terrible mistake trying to work with Schumer and Durbin, and people are still accusing me of attacking him, despite the fact that my warning about the terrible optics was an incredible episode of political foreshadowing.

  630. Jake says:

    Obama’s approvals went up due to his being a paper tiger after Trump won. Many who were pissed off over his EO’s etc… lightened up on him.

  631. NYCmike says:

    “Obama’s approvals went up due to his being a paper tiger”……they are going up NOW because he only has 4 days left!


  632. Diamond Jim says: