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Trump Under 50% Approval in Two National Polls

Two polls out this morning show Donald Trump entering office with abysmal favorable and transition approval ratings. They come from ABC News/Washington Post and CNN/ORC.

PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP FAVORABLE RATING (ABC/WaPo)
Favorable 40%
Unfavorable 54%

PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP TRANSITION APPROVAL (ABC/WaPo)
Approve 40%
Disapprove 545

PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP FAVORABLE RATING (CNN/ORC)
Favorable 44%
Unfavorable 53%

PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP TRANSITION APPROVAL (CNN/ORC)
Approve 40%
Disapprove 52%

Both polls were done January 12-15 among about 1000 adults. I was going to also state that it probably would not be long before Trump screaming about the election polls being wrong and sure enough, twelve minutes before I post this, Trump sent out this Tweet.

It is going to be a wild four years….

Posted by Dave at 8:24 am
Filed under: General | Comments (939)

939 Responses to “Trump Under 50% Approval in Two National Polls”

  1. Trump says:

    Dave W trusting the same fake polls that proved oh so accurate.

    Some people never learn.

  2. Wes says:

    I hate to agree with him, but Trump has a point.

    Regardless, popularity ratings don’t matter in January. How popular a President is only really matters from September 1 to at latest November 8 each year.

  3. Bitterlaw says:

    Not shocking at all. Considering that more than half the people who voted in November did not vote for Trump and the relentless anti-Trump reporting (aided by Trump’s inability to stop tweeting stupid statements), I’m surprised his approval ratings are this high.

  4. Bitterlaw says:

    3 Philadelphia Congressmen won’t attend the Inauguration. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    If the situation was reversed and Republicans were boycotting Hillary’s Inauguration, that would be wrong. Democrats boycotting Trump are equally wrong. Grow up.

  5. marc says:

    Trump got 46% of the vote to Clinton 47%, so a good number of Trump voters voted for him not because they liked Trump, but he they really disliked Clinton.

  6. marc says:

    Media negative hype about Russia hacks and Trumps fight with Obama’s intelligence agencies are also part of it.

  7. jason says:

    But there are people like me who didn’t support Trump but if polled would say they approve of his cabinet picks.

    I think these polls do underrate his support by at least a few points.

    And again, its skewed by the fact his approval is probably 30% in CA and NY.

  8. jason says:

    Obama had really low approval ratings for years.

    The MSM didn’t care. Watch them talk about approval ratings non-stop now.

  9. NYCmike says:

    Once again, as part of the 30%, way ahead of the curve!

  10. NYCmike says:

    “The MSM didn’t care. Watch them talk about approval ratings non-stop now.”

    -And the public, “(aided by Trump’s inability to stop tweeting stupid statements)”, will realize more and more that Trump is correct, that the MSM is rigged against him and Republicans.

    FIGHT THEM ON EVERY LEVEL!

  11. NYCmike says:

    Compare the optics: (even jason would recognize the less advantageous picture)

    Rubio working with other politicians to fix a problem that is only a problem because government REFUSED to ENFORCE its own laws.

    Ben Carson, a minority who rose up to become a neurosurgeon, being questioned by Fauxcohantas Warren about HUD spending, with her main goal being to make sure Trump and his family do not benefit from any gov’t $$. Carson responds by saying he will do what is best for ALL Americans, those needing the housing as well as the tax-payers paying for it.

  12. marc says:

    The fact that Obama had 84% approval rating shows just how dup many conservative and Republicans voters were by the media hype of his election and how the media has prop Obama up for 8 years will glowing coverage until the very end.

  13. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/821163566413873152

    -Should Trump get an honorary membership in the Philly A-Holes? Here he is saying “GFY” to those who did not want to associate with him.

  14. NYCmike says:

    marc,

    Don’t you know that Obama was as pure as a fresh snowstorm in Siberia?

  15. NYCmike says:

    A little bit over the top, but enjoyable nonetheless.

  16. Bitterlaw says:

    The Philly A-holes have expanded greatly this year. There are not plans to welcome any more members into the A-holes.

  17. marc says:

    Elections Analyst Stu Rothenberg retires

    After 25 years of steering the Rothenberg Political Report in what I hope has been the right direction, I have moved to the back seat. My long-time colleague and friend Nathan Gonzales has taken the wheel and will continue what I started. I will be there to offer advice and write from time to time, and I promise that readers of the newsletter can count on the same dispassionate analysis and experienced handicapping that they have valued in the past.

  18. jason says:

    The fact the A-holes have widened their base doesn’t mean they accept anyone.

    However, money talks.

  19. jason says:

    Let me guess. Nathan Gonzales is a flaming liberal like Stu Rothenburg.

  20. jason says:

    ubio working with other politicians to fix a problem that is only a problem because government REFUSED to ENFORCE its own laws.”

    Translation: if you can assign a reason for a problem, you don’t have to address it.

    WE ARE WINNING!

  21. Wes says:

    To be fair, while Rothenberg is a liberal, he’s consistently been the most objective political observer among the major political reports.

  22. NYCmike says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yELV238wr-k

    -Seeing this now, it is much more enjoyable.

    One thing did NOT change: JEB! was a terrible candidate!

  23. DW says:

    Still working on the election night coverage Atlas. Very interesting how the networks handled WI, a state few even included in their show-prep. NBC said it was too close to call at the 9:00 pm close. Then they ignored it completely. The first hint on NBC that WI was even in play was a 10:45 pm report from the Clinton Campaign headquarters where the reporter had spoken to top campaign officials who assured her that Clinton still had a path to come back in WI because Madison was still out.

    When they came back to Lester Holt, he asked Chuck Todd to look at WI, seemingly surprised by the news of it from the reporter, and the concern of the Clinton campaign.

    Todd brushed it off saying it was all about Michigan.

    By 11:30 pm, Fox News CALLED WI for Trump, but NBC had yet to look at it a single time. Complete malpractice.

  24. Cash Cow TM says:

    :Obama had really low approval ratings for years.

    The MSM didn’t care. Watch them talk about approval ratings non-stop now.”
    _________________________
    Just the other day, Cash Cow posted a synopsis of Obama approval rating for his 8 years as POTUS.

    NOW, the MSM discussion is starting to turn to job approval rating of yet to be sworn in president elect Trump.

    Cow is ahead of the curve.
    Cow is shaping the news, not reacting to it.
    Cow deserves a new bale of clover hay.

  25. DW says:

    25 – homelessness in America also returns on Friday.

  26. Wes says:

    Don’t forget deficits become a problem again at 12:00:01 Friday.

  27. DW says:

    Looking back over my Atlas, CNN check in closely on WI a full ten times between 9 pm and 11:30 when Fox News called it for Trump.

    MSNBC looked at it about five times during the same span.

    NBC? Not once.

    Last I checked MSNBC and CNN were hardly Trump cheerleaders.

  28. wvally says:

    DW are you going publish your election night atlas? You could submit to American Thinker or one of many blogs which accept articles.

  29. DW says:

    29 – I plan to shop for someone who would post it…I think its a valuable tool…fascinating seeing the different angles from different networks at the same moment. The doc is up to 40 pages now.

    A few times now I have seen it just so happened that two networks were talking about same state at the same time and one said it looked good for Clinton while the other said Clinton was in deep trouble.

  30. Jake says:

    I imagine all those new Confirmed Trump Appointed Judges, could care less about bogus MSM polls on popularity.

  31. DW says:

    and I love finding little nuggets that are very helpful when put into the larger narrative…like a seemingly harmless comment by David Alexrod who said after the Podesta speech that “we don’t know her state of mind right now” as a possible explanation for why Clinton might not appear before her supporters. He knew. Or at least he was a good guesser as to what she was capable of. And of course as it turned out, two separate reports confirmed she was disorderly in her conduct and completely out of proper deportment to appear.

  32. Wes says:

    Predictably RRH is handwringing over Trump’s Tweets and Tim Kaine’s Senate seat.

    1) Trump hasn’t suffered because of his twitter rants yet because the Dems wear out people’s emotional responses by going into histrionics whenever he breathes. Let it go.

    2) Kaine is probably reasonably popular, but

    a) He’s never faced a NoVA-based candidate

    and

    b) With him on the ticket, the Dems couldn’t even get 50% in the Commonwealth.

    Republicans need to get Comstock to challenge him and end the Democrat hegemony on those Old Dominion Senate seats. Dems are grossly overrepresented in the Class 1 seats, and Kaine only got 53% in a great year for his party’s Senate candidates. Kaine is reasonably popular but not overwhelimingly so. If Trump is fairly popular next year, Comstock has a chance to win.

  33. DW says:

    Wes, I think Kaine is very vulnerable. I know of several here in VA who actually didn’t really know much about him until he got the national exposure of being a veep candidate. Seems strange given he was governor for 4 years and is sitting senator. But the exposure they got with him always standing by Hillary’s side didn’t help his image here.

  34. Jake says:

    If Kaine was truly popular in Va, the state would have been called early on election night.

    His performance at the VP debate was awful, he looked like a angry Batman villan.

  35. DW says:

    Some stuff in the Atlas is just included because it is funny, like this one:

    2:12 am
    Chris Matthews on MSNBC, upon being shown a live video feed of their decision desk workers, describes the scene as “a failed moonshot” control room.

  36. DW says:

    CNN abandoned calling senate races after their 8:25 pm call of Rubio, and NBC also quit calling senate races after 8:36 when they called Young winner in IN.

    MSNBC and Fox News did their jobs and called all the races. ABC called some of them and ignored others.

  37. Waingro says:

    NBC/WSJ is slowly releasing a new poll — adults only — showing Obamacare is now above water in approval 45-41. Again no link to full poll or cross tabs available yet.

  38. Wes says:

    Excluding the presidential race last year, Kaine is 3-0 in statewide races in VA:

    50-48 for LG in 2001

    52-46 for Governor in 2005

    53-47 for Senate in 2012

    For Veep, he helpd Hillary carry the state 49-44 last year.

    He is fairly popular based on empirical evidence. However, he’s never faced a top-tier opponent. Kilgore was an idiot. Allen was Senator Macaca. (The GOP should have coronated McDonnell rather than the man who had blown a safe reelection bid six years earlier.) Kaine won in 2001 solely on Warner’s coattails.

    If Comstock runs against him, she can undercut him in NoVA and run up the score in SeVA and the western part of the state. That’s possible if Trump isn’t unpopular in 2018. I hope the VAGOP gets behind her and works hard to rebuild after the Allen-Gilmore-Cuccinelli debacles.

  39. Walt says:

    “…I love finding little nuggets…”

    Cash Cow leaves a lot of little nuggets in the yard.
    You are welcome to come get them to add to your collection.

  40. DW says:

    40 – then you better call a vet to come look at Cash Cow. Having grown up on a dairy farm, I know that there are no such things as little nuggets unless the cow is suffering from a problem.

  41. Wes says:

    Gillespie for Governor in 2017 and Senate in 2020.

    Comstock for Senate in 2018.

    It only makes sense.

    Of course logically Aaron Day will move to VA next year to help Kaine win because Comstock is insufficiently conservative. That’s Deadender logic for you.

  42. DW says:

    I wonder how Author Mendez is doing lately…given that his heroic candidate trying to save his sister’s life went down in flames?

  43. DW says:

    and right on cue, NBC doing all they can to save Obamacare:

    “As GOP works to repeal Obamacare, the health-care law has never been more popular: NBC News/WSJ poll

    Republicans are getting closer to repealing Obamacare, but President Barack Obama’s signature health-care law has never been more popular, according to a new national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. Forty-five percent of respondents believe the federal health-care law is a good idea — the highest percentage since the NBC/WSJ poll began asking the question in April 2009. Meanwhile, half of Americans — 50 percent — say they have little to no confidence that Republican proposals to replace the Affordable Care Act will be an improvement.”

    These people are not even pretending any more.

  44. wvally says:

    Recent posts from Author:

    Dems may retake the Senate in 2018 and do very well in the House

    and

    I didn’t do very well in my predictions for 2016, but I’m feeling very confident about my predictions for the next two years

  45. DW says:

    45 – lol…yep, Author was really a leftist all along. If he thinks Dems will retake the senate in 2018, then he is smoking some weird dope.

  46. wvally says:

    50 percent — say they have little to no confidence that Republican proposals to replace the Affordable Care Act will be an improvement.

    ***

    I’ve noticed that every time ACA is discussed over the last 2 weeks, it is said that republicans have “no plan” for how to replace

  47. DW says:

    Lets see…dems chances of retaking the senate in 2018.

    They need to flip three states to put the GOP at 49 and gain control.

    Their best chances to flip:

    NV: Heller
    AZ: Flake
    TX: Cruz

    I just see no path at this time in states like MS, NE, TN, UT or WY.

    Then if Dems somehow flip NV, AZ, and TX, then they have to hold off GOP flips in:
    FL, IN, MO, MT, ND, OH, PA, VA, WI and WV.

    Author needs his head examined.

  48. NYCmike says:

    Don’t all of you say “You were right about Author!” at once.

    My one test: if a grown man goes to Disney World more than 6x a year (I am being charitable by giving him 6), there is something that he is hiding, and it is very, very wrong.

    I pegged Author quicker than a rotten apple takes down Snow White.

  49. NYCmike says:

    “Author needs his head examined.”

    -His sister needs to take her clothes back, and explain that is not the uniform he spoke about on HHR.

  50. NYCmike says:

    Author thinks a Hillary Sec-Def appointment would have been better than Mattis, I guess.

  51. NYCmike says:

    Trump should tweet “Author – very SAD…JEB!-like.”

  52. NYCmike says:

    Where are Corey and Robbie (Corobbiey-rate – h/t Mr. Vito)?

  53. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/parenting/2017/01/16/black-leaders-praise-trump-education-pick-betsy-devos/

    -What does Author, MD, Corey, and Robbie have against young black children getting a quality education?

    Hillary would have done NOTHING to alter public education, while Trump picked a good person to lead real change in that area.

    ONE MORE REASON I thought Trump was a better pick than Hillary, or not voting, in the general election.

  54. Waingro says:

    “I didn’t do very well in my predictions for 2016, but I’m feeling very confident about my predictions for the next two years”

    I thought he said was “done” predicting things? Gee that lasted long.

  55. Wes says:

    Does Author seriously think Dems can win enough seats to retake the Senate next year–or indeed any Senate seats at all in that class?

    Has he not realized this is not the 1930s or 1960s?

  56. Wes says:

    Trivia for you guys:

    Who was the only President to see his party gain Senate seats in both midterms?

  57. Phil says:

    Author is and always was an open border hack.

    The mask fell off last spring.

    He has become a running joke.

  58. Waingro says:

    wvally, is Author saying that on twitter? I don’t know as I don’t follow him anymore, but in the days and weeks after the election, he flipped out and said he was basically “done” with politics and absolutely done with predictions.

  59. Bitterlaw says:

    I just see no path at this time

    I will take “phrases that should never be posted again at HHR after 2016 for $200, Alex.”

  60. jason says:

    I thought Author said his problem was with Trump.

    Now he wants the Dems to take the Senate and the House.

    Must have the David Brock syndrome.

  61. Bitterlaw says:

    I think that Author is trying to start a YouTube channel or show soon. Seriously.

  62. Wes says:

    We can always bet on whether Dems take the Senate in 2018 if you like, Bitter.

  63. NYCmike says:

    “Who was the only President to see his party gain Senate seats in both midterms?”

    -The President who served 2 non-consecutive terms?

  64. NYCmike says:

    “I thought Author said”

    -Stop thinking, and read what he says. Then, if still confused, I’ll explain it for you.

  65. Wes says:

    No, Mike.

    Dems did gain Senate seats under Cleveland in 1886, but Republicans clobbered them in both houses in 1894.

    You are in the rough right timeframe though.

  66. Bitterlaw says:

    We can always bet on whether Dems take the Senate in 2018 if you like, Bitter.

    Why? I never said they would. Keep pretending I said it if you to, Wes. All I ever said was that it was impossible to predict now what will happen in 2 years.

  67. NYCmike says:

    “You are in the rough right timeframe though.”

    -Grant?

  68. jason says:

    My one test: if a grown man goes to Disney World more than 6x a year (I am being charitable by giving him 6), there is something that he is hiding, and it is very, very wrong.”

    We got another amateur shrink here to replace Corey….

    If I lived close to Epcot Center, I could see myself going there several times a year.

    Author sold out everything he ever stood for, but I don’t see a problem in him going to Disney.

  69. jason says:

    -Stop thinking”

    I know you adopted that strategy long ago, but it’s not for me.

    Thanks, and carry on.

  70. Bitterlaw says:

    I have no interest in ever going back to Disney. However, I don’t think there is anything sinister in wanting to go there. I just thought it was over-rated and not worth another trip.

  71. wvally says:

    Yup, Wain, he’s back in the prediction biz on Twitter. In addition to his personal account, he’s started a new political report after decommissioning the Buckley Club. This is the you tube thing Bitter’s referring to, I think.

    https://twitter.com/MendezReport

    The Mendez Political Report: Looking At The Past, Present, And Future Of Electoral Politics.

  72. NYCmike says:

    “If I lived close to Epcot Center, I could see myself going there several times a year.”

    -Which is why I gave him 6……refer to comment #65 for now on, please.

  73. wvally says:

    Not sure how astute author is politically, but I find him adorable on twitter. Seeing a grown man doing deep analysis of Disney movies–its so millenial!

  74. Bitterlaw says:

    Mendez Report ?@MendezReport · Jan 16

    2016 showed us the dream still has a ways to go. One day we hope it will be achieved

    Damn. Author is now a member of Black Lives Matter or just a member of the “America is a racist country” crowd.

  75. Wes says:

    It’s not impossible at all, Bitter, to look at the number of seats up in a certain class, examine recent history, see who’s up where and is in the best position for reelection, and factor in probability to make an accurate prediction.

    As it stands, I have Dems at +6 in the House and -2 in the Senate.

    Of course I can cite my near perfect predictive record in both 2014 and 2016 to say political prognostication isn’t an impossibility for those willing to examine things free of MD-style “Past is not prologue” idiocy to try to inject unneeded suspense into a cycle.

  76. Bitterlaw says:

    If Author had simply not voted for President, I would not have an issue with him. Becoming a cheerleader for Hillary was unacceptable.

  77. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    I have only been to Disney once, and I was not a huge fan, but would go back.

    BUT, that said, monthly visits? Seriously? He lives near the Gulf of Mexico in Florida, for Biden’s Sake. Go have a clambake on the beach, with a cooler of beer and some margaritas/pina coladas.

    Come on now!

  78. Wes says:

    Going the wrong way, Mike.

    Think of one of the most famous Presidents in history.

  79. NYCmike says:

    ” Seeing a grown man doing deep analysis of Disney movies–its so millenial!”

    -Well, that about sums it up!

  80. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Your near-perfect record was compiled before Trump was elected. I think that he is the ultimate wild-card. If he is a complete disaster, Dems will do better than projected. If he is not a complete disaster or even moderately successful, Dems do worse than predicted. Is that so difficult to understand for you?

  81. NYCmike says:

    Teddy

  82. Bitterlaw says:

    Teddy Roosevelt?

  83. CG says:

    wvally, is your post # 45 verbatim? I do not recall him saying that on Twitter. Where can it be found?

  84. Bitterlaw says:

    I was typing when NYC posted it. He wins if it is correct.

  85. NYCmike says:

    “Author is and always was an open border hack.”

    -jason to defend Author in 3….2….1….or maybe not.

    When faced with such clear evidence, jason usually takes a breathe and admits to himself “No, the laws have NOT been enforced, which is the real problem.”

  86. Wes says:

    Finally got it, Mike.

    Under Roosevelt, Republicans gained Senate seats in 1902, 1904, and 1906. They lost a net of one when Taft was elected in 1908.

  87. Bitterlaw says:

    The only thing Author hated more than Trump was the movie Frozen. He was outraged that Disney forgot that its target audience was Millenial men and not 8 year old girls.

  88. CG says:

    It’s not my responsibility to speak for Author, but I fail to see any remote connection to “he was always for open borders” besides the fact that he is Latino.

    He was as much for Rubio in the primaries as anyone here was. Was Rubio (also with a Latino name) for “open borders?” Trump fans would say yes, but I disagree.

    How was Author manifesting support for “open borders” by being as big of a Rubio fan as Phil and many others?

  89. NYCmike says:

    “CG”/Corey is back! Maybe.

  90. NYCmike says:

    “Finally got it, Mike.”

    -#Winning!

  91. wvally says:

    wvally, is your post # 45 verbatim?

    ***

    Not exactly verbatim (the prediction). Its from a couple of weeks back, he posts so much I can’t find the original

    The post on how 2016 predictions vs predictions for next two years may be verbatim, it was more recent

  92. CG says:

    90. I won’t be here often.

  93. NYCmike says:

    “It’s not my responsibility to speak for (fill in name of other person), but….”

  94. CG says:

    I am almost certain that Author has not said on Twitter. Democrats are poised to retake the Senate in 2018. About 95 % certain.

  95. NYCmike says:

    “90. I won’t be here often.”

    -What happened?

    Is it because you don’t approve of Sessions, Mattis, Tillerson, DeVos, Carson, etc?

    Or something else?

  96. Waingro says:

    “Yup, Wain, he’s back in the prediction biz on Twitter.”

    Hilarious. He had a mental breakdown over the election results and how off his predictions were. Plus, how he was only going to focus on things he cared about like his “creative writing” blah blah blah.

    He then purged everyone from his feed that he deemed to be “too political” (i.e. disagreed with on anything.)

    And now, safely in his bubble, he’s back to the “prediction” game.

  97. NYCmike says:

    wvally,

    Don’t worry, you are an A-Hole.

    It does not matter that Corey is calling you a liar.

    I am 95% certain.

  98. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey comes back to say that he won’t be back often. Whatever. I am always happy to see the regulars (except Bunu) return.

  99. CG says:

    I approve of Mattis and DeVos for sure.

    Not a fan of Sessions, but no legitimate reason to vote him down. Carson is in over his head. I hope Tillerson is defeated.

  100. wvally says:

    If you follow him closely I would trust you more than me. that is the way it imprinted in my mind but maybe I was inferring more than he intended

  101. NYCmike says:

    “And now, safely in his bubble,”

    -And how would “Disney World” be described, if not as a land of fantasy…..

  102. CG says:

    Author does pontificate about politics on Twitter, but again, I am nearly certain he did not say that Democrats might win the Senate in 2018, as was claimed here earlier.

  103. NYCmike says:

    ” but maybe I was inferring more than he intended”

    -NOW we now why jason voted her in…..

  104. NYCmike says:

    “Carson is in over his head.”

    -Heh.

  105. NYCmike says:

    “I hope Tillerson is defeated.”

    -Reasons?

    I do not have an opinion one way or the other. I have not looked much into him.

  106. wvally says:

    The unskewing begins…

    New ABC / WaPo Poll Shows Drop In Trump Favorability Courtesy Of Aggressive “Oversamples”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-17/new-abc-wapo-poll-shows-drop-trump-favorabilty-through-aggressive-oversamples

  107. Bitterlaw says:

    I can’t wait until Author launches his tv coverage on my birthday.

  108. CG says:

    Reasons? He is and has been dangerously wrong on Russia, and Rubio and others in the GOP who have the same concerns are correct. We will see how they actually vote.

    Tillerson is a distinguished businessman and I am sure has many great qualities. He was after all (like Betsy DeVos and Scott Pruitt) an early and enthusiastic supporter of Jeb Bush for President, but running Exxon Mobil is not the same thing as being Secretary of State, especially when there are such legitimate concerns about Trump’s infatuation with Putin.

    Mattis at Defense and Kelly at DHS are great picks. Tillerson for State is not.

  109. NYCmike says:

    I should let my brother know about Author’s Twitter handle.

    My brother went from a liberal, always fighting with me and others, Obama-inauguration-attending sycophant to a Trump-loving, stick-the-Dems-nose-in-it-at-every-opportunity conservative Republican.

    He would definitely have fun with Author.

  110. Waingro says:

    Sounds like Tillerson is going to get confirmed though. McCain’s announcement of a “yes” vote probably sealed the deal.

    It’s been interesting to hear Mark Levin blast this pick though, especially with his guy Cruz announcing his endorsement of him.

  111. NYCmike says:

    “especially when there are such legitimate concerns about Trump’s infatuation with Putin.”

    🙂

  112. Bitterlaw says:

    Right now, I am more concerned with my next 2 basketball games that the Inaugurations. Tomorrow night, we play the other all 8th-grade team. Their best player is out with a sprained ankle. Sunday’s game is against an 8th/9th grade team. If we go 1-1, I can live with it. 2-0 would be awesome.

  113. NYCmike says:

    Damn, Levin was against the Tillerson pick?

    I must have missed last Thursday……

  114. Bitterlaw says:

    I hope that Trump tells Putin to F off every day and twice on Sundays but that’s just me. I do not believe that Hillary would have been tough on Putin in any way.

  115. CG says:

    When did McCain announce that?

  116. wvally says:

    How long does the season go, Bitter?

  117. CG says:

    Having looked up what Mark Levin has said on Tillerson, he was specifically referred to him as a “Russian patsy” and a “global warming left-wing extremist.”

  118. Bitterlaw says:

    WV – Playoffs start March 4th and end March 11th. I would like to win at least one game (I expect to be in the team for the 6th/7th place teams). There are 15 games and we are 0-3 (after playing 2 all-Senior teams and another high school team). We have lost by 12, 10 and 3 points so we are moving in the right direction.

  119. Bitterlaw says:

    After calling Hillary a moderate pragmatist, should Corey really criticize others for their assessments of people?

    I don’t listen to Mark Levin so I can’t judge what he said.

  120. Waingro says:

    “Damn, Levin was against the Tillerson pick?”

    Big time. He was praising Rubio’s grilling of him the other day.

  121. CG says:

    “He was praising Rubio’s grilling of him the other day.”

    Something I can agree with Levin on.

    But in some corners of Trumpworld, anybody with Latino or Jewish sounding last names must have an ulterior motive.

  122. Waingro says:

    #116:

    martha maccallum ?@marthamaccallum 19h19 hours ago

    BREAKING NEWS: @SenJohnMcCain tells me he will most likely support #Tillerson nomination after talking with him again today.

  123. CG says:

    Theres a more recent report from today with McCain saying he has not made up his mind and still has concerns. So, he is wavering as politicians often do. If McCain does vote for Tillerson, it probably means he gets confirmed.

  124. NYCmike says:

    “But in some corners of Trumpworld, anybody with Latino or Jewish sounding last names must have an ulterior motive.”

    -You just can’t help yourself.

  125. Waingro says:

    #124, Interesting. Back to posturing I guess. However, I think in the end he caves as will Rubio.

  126. NYCmike says:

    “We have lost by 12, 10 and 3 points so we are moving in the right direction.”

    -Losing not as bad as before…..Send a Message!

  127. NYCmike says:

    I’ll have to look up more info on him.

    I think it was SanDiegoCitizen who had linked to a story which was not nice to Rubio, regarding his questioning of Tillerson.

    I’ll have to read that and find some other things.

  128. NYCmike says:

    “Something I can agree with Levin on.”

    -CG’s “hero”!

  129. DW says:

    finishing my NBC entries in my Atlas, I am now convinced that the reason Chuck Todd never once looked at WI counties on his map and said nothing of the state between the 9pm close and when it was called, is because his computer was never programmed to look at WI.

  130. NYCmike says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/11/video-disgraced-democrat-operative-robert-creamer-front-row-obama-farewell-speech/

    -I would love to see CG’s opinions of:

    Breitbart
    O’Keefe
    Creamer
    Obama’s farewell speech

  131. BRENT says:

    TRUMP WILL GET ALL OF HIS PICKS THRU IMO !!!

  132. NYCmike says:

    I want to point out, before he leaves…..in December of this year, 2017, it will mark 8 years since Obama received his Nobel Peace Prize.

  133. CG says:

    You keep asking my opinions NYC, I wonder why..

    Breitbart, the person, died several years ago. The publication that retains his name is a joke.

    O’Keefe. I really don’t have a strong opinion. He has had various ethical problems, but fundamentally, I do not know if what he does is all that different than what 60 Minutes or other “gotcha” outfits have done.

    Creamer- I’ve worked to get people vote against his wife for a long time.

    Obama’s farewell speech- he should have just done in in the White House, as precedent. I thought his Democrat convention speech was better and strangely (in parts), more unifying in regards to shared American values.

  134. CG says:

    The guy who wrote that Brietbart article about Creamer is a person I campaigned for when he ran against Creamer’s wife.

  135. Phil says:

    Current number of Democratic congressmen boycotting the inauguration stands north of 50 – possibly will Reach a majority of the Democratic House caucus by Friday.

    How utterly pathetic.

  136. DW says:

    It took 11 years, but Virginia will finally execute the animal who broke into a home in Richmond, VA for a burglary, and ended up torturing a family of four before slitting the throats of the two little girls and beating the parents and girls in the heads with a hammer until they stopped moving and were dead.

    Governor McAwful will not stop the execution, something I worried about because he doesn’t have to face re-election.

    http://wavy.com/2017/01/17/gov-mcauliffe-will-not-intervene-in-killers-execution/

  137. jason says:

    Hey CG, did you sent the check to the York ASPCA dogs?

  138. CG says:

    credit card

  139. Waingro says:

    DW: does Laura Ingraham have any chances higher than “slim and none” in a prospective VA Senate race?

    That made for a good laugh for me today when I saw it.

  140. DW says:

    140 – uh…very very slim. I hate to say none any longer after 2016. But if I said none, I think it would be pretty accurate.

  141. PresidentPaul! says:

    Ingraham would be a dream senator.

    idk why we’re addressing fake polls by the Bezos owned WashPost though.

  142. jason says:

    -jason to defend Author in 3….2….1….or maybe not.”

    I am on record as saying Author sold out all his conservative principles. And once he endorsed Hillary, he forfeited any moral case against Trump. He also stopped being objective in his predictions and just adopted the MSM’s talking points.

    However, regarding “open borders” EVERY Republican candidate, including Trump, supports some type of “amnesty” if by amnesty you mean legalization of illegals. I think Author was for comprehensive immigration reform like I am, and frankly I never heard him say something stupid like “illegal immigration is an act of love” like Jeb Bush. I could be wrong but I think Author on immigration is probably smarter than NYC.

  143. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    McCain will vote for Tillerson, believe Rubio will as well. Below is a quote from McCain:

    Fox host Martha MacCallum asked McCain if he was now “leaning toward” supporting Tillerson’s nomination.”Barely, yes,” McCain replied. “I think he’s a good man.” But McCain added, “I still don’t understand taking an award from that thug.

    Tillerson is highly qualified to be SoS, unlike Kerry.

  144. BayernFan says:

    Polls said Hillary was a lock. Polls need to account for shy Trump still. But ultimately, these polls about this issue don’t mean much. Trump’s job performance and the nature and extent of his successes and failures are all that matters. He knows this. He’s lived it. I wouldn’t bet against him.

  145. jason says:

    Laura Ingraham is a deadender. I would vote for her over Kaine but I hope the GOP can do a lot better.

  146. jason says:

    CG says:
    January 17, 2017 at 2:57 pm

    credit card”

    Thanks. It’s a good cause.

  147. DW says:

    The Mets are looking like they will finally have all their star starters healthy this year. They got rid of Bartolo Colon, which I believe is the right move, regardless the charm he brings.

    They have these starting pitchers, all expected to be healthy on day one:

    deGrom – A top pitcher in the NL
    Harvey – Was the Mets ‘ace’ coming off a minor surgery
    Syndergaard – Mets ace last year, can dominate opponents
    Wheeler – Returning from Tommy John
    Matz – Lefty who can rack up the wins.
    Gsellman – came out of nowhere last year to make huge contribution
    Lugo – Same as Gsellman

    My guess is they will go with a six man rotation to protect the arms.

    Either Lugo or Gsellman will be the sixth starter with the other being a regular out of the pen and available for spot starts or regular starts with injuries.

  148. jason says:

    The MSM is in a serious battle for its life. They are not happy they were not able to elect Hillary, and they realize their influence is much stronger if they are the only game in town.

    Thus the effort to label anything not coming from them as fake and inaccurate.

    They want to control the message emanating from the WH. The fact they are no longer able to coordinate this message with the WH must be very challenging to them.

  149. Phil says:

    Maybe I am wrong about Author being open borders. I can’t say for sure. However, there has to be some logical explanation or rationale for the guy to have sold out his beliefs and actually voted for Hillary Clinton.

    Something has to explain such a drastic transformation – if it was an actually transformation. Maybe he was never a conservative to begin with. I don’t have any idea. I know this. It makes zero sense. Jason mentioned Brock syndrome. I never figured that one out either but my guess is that one was a soulless opportunist. Author? Who knows?

  150. Cash Cow TM says:

    DW confirms what Cow has been telling Walt.

    Walt does not know Sh!t.
    ************************************************
    “Walt says:
    January 17, 2017 at 12:17 pm
    “…I love finding little nuggets…”

    Cash Cow leaves a lot of little nuggets in the yard.
    You are welcome to come get them to add to your collection.

    DW says:
    January 17, 2017 at 12:19 pm
    40 – then you better call a vet to come look at Cash Cow. Having grown up on a dairy farm, I know that there are no such things as little nuggets unless the cow is suffering from a problem.”

    *********************************
    I TOLD WALT THOSE NUGGETS IN THE YARD ARE POOPED THERE BY DEER.

    I POOP THIN, FRISBEE SIZED POOP, NOT NUGGETS.

  151. CG says:

    There were a whole lot of Republican primary voters, who had supported Rubio, Kasich, and others, who then wound up voting for Clinton in the general election.

    It should matter to anyone who wants Republicans to do well in the future to consider why they did and what that might bode for the future.

    And no, I was not one of the GOP primary voters who voted for Hillary Clinton in the general election.

  152. BayernFan says:

    I think Trump’s tweet a couple weeks ago to Rahm about Chicago’s crime rate and the one a few day ago calling out Lewis about conditions in his district are harbingers of things to come. He values results, and won’t hesitate to call out politicians who aren’t getting them. He will knock these people out of their comfort zones no matter what their past deeds are. He doesn’t really live in a comfort zone himself so what does he care if they don’t?

    I believe he really wants to do something big for urban areas and the black community. And he is going to, as I said, make a lot of people angry and uncomfortable with tweets about this. It will get very ugly possibly. But it needs to be done. He is a hyper active results kind of leader.

    I wonder how many of Lewis’ constituents are asking themselves what Lewis actually has done for them lately?

  153. CG says:

    Lewis’s district is fairly affluent.

    Maybe Trump’s problem is that it is the home of CNN.

  154. Cash Cow TM says:

    Hey,

    Does anyone here surmise that each of the MSM news channels each have an internal conflab of key peope and take a serious look at their methods, what polls they were creating or looking at, a post analysis of the fairness of their potus election coverage and then put measure is place to correct going forward?

    Just posing the question….

  155. CG says:

    Author owes me.

    Whatever people may think of him, by coming on here this afternoon, I was able to clear up that he did not recently predict Democrats might win the Senate in 2018 and was not for “open borders.”

    He and his liberal twin brother should consider inviting me to call into their YouTube show or something.

  156. CG says:

    I don’t completely understand the carping on the polls. The national polls on the Presidential race were fairly accurate to the final result (plenty of people believed beforehand the samples were too pro-Trump.)

    Some state polls had larger problems, but all in all, they did not wind up being extremely so.

  157. PresidentPaul! says:

    “However, regarding “open borders” EVERY Republican candidate, including Trump, supports some type of “amnesty” if by amnesty you mean legalization of illegals. ”

    How do you know?

    Just because Paul Ryan is whining about stuff doesn’t mean what Ryan is saying is what Trump supports.

    Ryan is not a credible source.

  158. CG says:

    The exit polls also were pretty clear.

    A lot of Trump voters do not like him. He was very unpopular with the electorate, even more so than Hillary Clinton, who was also unpopular.

    A lot more people who disliked Trump voted for him in key states than those who disliked Clinton voted for her, which is why she won.

    The idea that Trump is about to begin his Presidency as some sort of popular or respected figure is ludicrous.

  159. CG says:

    why he* won.

  160. NYCmike says:

    “You keep asking my opinions NYC, I wonder why..”

    -What’s to wonder about?

    I want to make sure you keep your “most sanctimonious” award from 2016.

  161. PresidentPaul! says:

    The Jigg is up on the CIA one of the most evil parts of the Federal government

    Author of trump prostitute story same author of report about Putin poisoning Litvinenko
    Brennon in addition to being the chief leaker to fake news (CNN) runs a department that helped start Bush’s fake war in Iraq

    These documents were sent to the CIA office in Rome by SISMI.
    On 10 May 2002, the CIA’s Office of Near Eastern and South Asian Analysis (NESA) in the Directorate of Intelligence (DI) prepared a Principals Committee briefing book updating the status of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs. The document noted that a “foreign government service says Iraq was trying to acquire 500 tons of uranium from Niger.”
    On 22 July 2002, the United States Department of Energy (DOE) published an intelligence product (Daily Intelligence Highlight, Nuclear Reconstitution Efforts Underway?)[citation needed] which highlighted the intelligence on the Iraq-Niger uranium deal as one of three indications that Iraq might be reconstituting its nuclear program.

  162. NYCmike says:

    “The idea that Trump is about to begin his Presidency as some sort of popular or respected figure is ludicrous.”

    -The idea that those descriptions of Trump matter in the least is what is ludicrous.

    He will be Mr. President.

    Deal with it.

  163. NYCmike says:

    “The publication that retains his name is a joke.”

    “The guy who wrote that Brietbart article about Creamer is a person I campaigned for when he ran against Creamer’s wife.”

    -So, a guy you campaigned for now works for a joke of a publication.

    Sounds like how Denny Hastert was a hero of yours before you found out he was molesting kids.

  164. CG says:

    He will also be a son-of-a-bitch.

    Deal with it.

  165. CG says:

    I never said Hastert was a “hero” but yeah, it was extremely disappointing, to say the least, to learn that about his past.

  166. NYCmike says:

    “He will also be a son-of-a-bitch.”

    -If you are speaking about Trump, good.

    Hopefully the Republican Congress will be sons-of-bitches as well, and only send conservative, as-fiscally-responsible-as-possible legislation for him to sign into law.

  167. CG says:

    I did extensive campaigning for Alan Keyes as well when he ran against Obama and was the only option, so there’s a long list of involvement on behalf of candidates in my past that I do not feel great about.

    At least I know I opposed Trump from the start and still do.

  168. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Speaking about Chicago, where Obama got his start as a “community organizer”. The MLK weekend casualties included 39 people shot, with 10 deaths. It might rank as America’s most dangerous “sanctuary city.”

  169. NYCmike says:

    “At least I know I opposed Trump from the start and still do.”

    -Yes, all of the lawsuits about sexual harassment that are still pending in the courts show him for the really terrible person that he is.

  170. CG says:

    He’d still be a horrible person, even if 100 percent of those allegations were untrue.

  171. NYCmike says:

    “At least I know I opposed Trump from the start and still do.”

    -Another thing I am 95% certain of: Corey has not given one second of thought to what the world would look like had Hillary won the election.

    His opinion of Trump has never wavered, even after the election.

  172. NYCmike says:

    Yup.

    #172 – the award is yours, no doubt.

  173. CG says:

    173. Sure I have, but what’s the point? She lost.

    I don’t need a King nor a Queen in my life in the role of President. I have every right as an American to oppose him, but since such an outlook is looked down upon on HHR (at least for now), I won’t be here on a regular basis to do so.

  174. CG says:

    The best outcome will be if he resigned as soon as possible, and lets Pence, or even better Paul Ryan, lead the country as President.

    Anyone who wants actual conservatism should prefer that sort of peaceful outcome, especially with the knowledge that Hillary Clinton has no chance of taking power.

    But since that sort of result would at least appear to be unlikely, we will all have to wait until the next election. Unlike Polaris, I do not think there is a chance an election gets cancelled.

  175. PresidentPaul! says:

    “…. better Paul Ryan, lead the country as President.”

    Still stuck on Paul Ryan the weener truck driver as president?

    That would be like putting a venezuelan bus driver in charge of the economy aka Maduro.

  176. PresidentPaul! says:

    “Is Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, once a mild-mannered (and illiterate) bus driver, steering the world’s 13th-largest oil producer straight off a cliff?”

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/27/has-venezuelan-president-maduro-gone-insane.html

  177. CG says:

    Obama has reportedly commuted Chelsea Manning’s sentence.

    The pro-Wikileaks contingent of the new Trump Republican Party should be thrilled.

  178. wraith says:

    Polls done by the same folks that distorted same to influence voting in favor of the dems. Fake polls. Disregard them, sour grapes.

  179. PresidentPaul! says:

    Some good thoughts on Paul’s 08 and 12 runs by comrade Stump

    Comrade Stump ?@CantStumpTrump1 18h18 hours ago
    Comrade Stump Retweeted Harasser
    As someone who supported Ron Paul in 2012, Trump eradicating the neoconservatives during the Primaries felt like double the revenge.

    Comrade Stump ?@CantStumpTrump1 18h18 hours ago
    Comrade Stump Retweeted Hans Fritz Gruber
    In an alternative universe, Ron Paul came to power instead of Reagan and managed to reverse the decline.
    And
    Comrade Stump ?@CantStumpTrump1 18h18 hours ago
    Comrade Stump Retweeted ? Gnome Kingdom
    Ron Paul needs to be honored as the man who tried his best to save the traditional American nation. Bless him for that effort.

  180. DW says:

    Rasmussen Obama job approval:

    Approve 62
    Disapprove 38

    Where is “Proud Obamacon” to tell us this number means Clinton cannot lose?

    Seriously though, there is no way this number is even close to accurate.

  181. PresidentPaul! says:

    “Obama has reportedly commuted Chelsea Manning’s sentence.”

    Good then there is no reason for Assange to give himself up.

  182. CG says:

    The final ABC and CNN national polls before the election were Clinton + 3. The final result nationally was Clinton + 2.

    What basis is there to consider these national approval polls to be wildly suspect?

  183. CG says:

    184. As I was saying..

    Sure feels a whole lot more like his party than mine at the moment.

  184. DW says:

    62% approval does not come close to matching even the skewed election day exit polling. That polling showed Trump winning over Clinton among those who wanted change.

    Unless a huge slice of the electorate is schizophrenic, you don’t approve of the status quo and demand change at the same time.

  185. DW says:

    Corey, the Mets will take out the Cubs in 2017.

  186. CG says:

    I thought it was well established how schizophrenic the electorate is.

  187. Conservative Populist says:

    Dave W., get real! Most Americans don’t give a damn or trust polls. You should have learned that from the election. Unlike Democrats, most Americans have put the election behind them and want the president-elect to succeed.

    And Laura Ingraham is no deadender. Shas a solid background and was the most articulate defender of the president-elect during the campaign. If she ran, she would make a formidable opponent against that lout Kaine.

  188. CG says:

    Take them out where?

  189. DW says:

    out of the playoff contention.

  190. DW says:

    or more precisely out of World Series contention in the NL championship series.

  191. CG says:

    Those CNN and ABC polls are among “adults”. I’m surprised his numbers are as high as that. There clearly is a “honeymoon phase” to whatever extent it exists.

    But saying “well, all the polls were wrong at the election so they are going to be wrong now” just is not the case.

    The polls really were not all that wrong, at the end. Some of us thought they would be and they weren’t.

  192. CG says:

    Yeah, goodluck to the Mets. It must be tough for fans when their team hasn’t won anything in over 30 years I suppose.

  193. DW says:

    195 – so says the fan of the team who wins once every 108 years.

  194. CG says:

    They went back to back the last time they won it all, so if the “108 year” thing is going to re-set, then they are going to get one more this year.

  195. DW says:

    194 – the state polling was terrible. They missed Wisconsin so badly that on election night Chuck Todd on NBC kept ignoring Lester Holt who wished him to examine it. Todd couldn’t look into WI because his computer was never setup for it. It was a lock for Clinton.

  196. Conservative Populist says:

    The elections polls were way off concerning the electoral vote outcome.

  197. PresidentPaul! says:

    Ingraham’s advice to Trump: Moderators are not your friends
    Laura knew the fix was in far before Wikileaks exposed the corrupt debate moderators secretly working for Hillary Clinton.

    They aren’t really moderators, but they are there to ensure Trump loses the presidential election.

  198. CG says:

    How was the state polling “terrible” at the end?

    It had more issues than the national polling but there were polls at the end showing a virtual dead heat in Wisconsin and all the states Trump eventually won.

  199. DW says:

    Final WI polls:

    Remington (R)
    Hillary 49
    Trump 41

    Loras
    Hillary 44
    Trump 38

    Marquette
    Hillary 46
    Trump 40

    Emerson
    Hillary 48
    Trump 42

    PPP
    Hillary 48
    Trump 41

    Monmouth
    Hillary 47
    Trump 40

    St. Norbert College
    Hillary 47
    Trump 39

    Epic fail.

  200. DW says:

    201 – please link the dead heat polls of WI at the end.

  201. NYCmike says:

    “I don’t need a King nor a Queen in my life in the role of President. I have every right as an American to oppose him, but since such an outlook is looked down upon on HHR (at least for now), I won’t be here on a regular basis to do so.”

    🙂

    You are too much. If Trump tries to do anything stupid, like create even more government programs to “help” us, I will be right there with you opposing him, and most likely most of HHR will be there as well.

    And, you did want a King, preferably with the first name JEB!, since his candidacy was a shambles from the beginning, he clearly did not want to fight for it. Once you admit that, then I will trust you when you say “I don’t need a King nor a Queen in my life in the role of President.”.

  202. NYCmike says:

    “It had more issues than the national polling but there were polls at the end showing a virtual dead heat in Wisconsin and all the states Trump eventually won.”

    Yet, how many electoral college votes did “CG” predict for Trump?

  203. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    So Obama, who is suddenly so concerned about hacking and Clinton’s private E-mails being leaked, commutes most of the prison sentence of Chelsea Manning, who damaged the county’s security by leaking confidential documents. What a total hypocrite.

  204. CG says:

    Wisconsin may have been the most obvious example of state polling error, but there’s been far bigger surprises than that in history.

    So, if there was a state poll from Wisconsin from those outfits of Trump’s approval in that state, it can be raised as a reason to complain.

    I don’t see how that reflects though on CNN and ABC taking a national survey when their final national election poll turned out to be very close to accurate.

  205. CG says:

    “If Trump tries to do anything stupid, like create even more government programs to “help” us, I will be right there with you opposing him, and most likely most of HHR will be there as well.”

    I’ll believe it when I see it. I guess it’s possible, but skepticism abounds at the moment.

  206. Bitterlaw says:

    The pro-Wikileaks contingent of the new Trump Republican Party should be thrilled.

    Zzzzzzzzzz. Chelsea Manning should have been shot as a traitor.

    Corey was just not smart enough to understand that many of us saw that Hillary posed a greater threat to the country than Trump. In the words of Tim, we put “country ahead of party” and voted to stop her.

  207. CG says:

    “And, you did want a King, preferably with the first name JEB!”

    See, there you go again, outjasoning jason.

  208. CG says:

    The hypocrisy goes both ways. All sorts of Trump supporters are hailing Wikileaks and Assange.

  209. Barrett says:

    It will take a while for me to trust the polls again, after so many got it wrong. Polling institutions need to be able to adapt to the unpredictability of candidates.

    When I projected A Hillary win, it was by a margin of 8 EV’s, and I was way off. Even then I was trying to compensate for the wider margin some pollsters thought she’d get, and I will still wrong.

  210. CG says:

    If CNN and ABC are so wrong on Trump’s current JA (before he even takes office) despite being completely right statistically on the national election result, what do you think Trump’s current national JA truly is then?

  211. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey’s sanctimonious bs continues. If only pragmatic compromiser Hillary had been elected to appoint 3-4 Supreme Court Justices, the purity of the GOP would have been preserved while the nation suffered. It has a certain Jul-quality to it.

  212. DW says:

    Trafalgar Group only one to get SC right, while the others all missed by TEN points or more. PPP-D had it a two point race and Trump won by 14!

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/sc/south_carolina_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-6093.html

  213. DW says:

    I could go on and on, but I think I have provided enough links to show that yes, the statewide polling was way off. Everyone from Sean Hannity to Chuck Todd agrees.

  214. Bitterlaw says:

    Many people hate Trump. Trump will be President. Both can be true.

    Personally, I hope Trump is nominated by the Democrats in 2020 so we run a Republican against him.

  215. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    Why are some Republicans “hailing” Wikileaks and Assange?

    Very simple. They are showing that the media lies and the Democrats are protected by them.

    We once allied with Stalin to defeat Hitler. Was that worth it?

  216. CG says:

    It’s a debatable point, I have no idea why you are talking about South Carolina polls now, but Dave did not post state polling here in this post and people are specifically complaining about those two polls.

    Since CNN and ABC were accurate nationally, it has nothing to do with the state polls, and it does not show they these specific JA polls are suspect.

  217. PresidentPaul! says:

    “The hypocrisy goes both ways. All sorts of Trump supporters are hailing Wikileaks and Assange.”

    Actually Americans Trust wikileaks more than the CIA according to CNBC polls.

    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/817334559268290560/photo/1

  218. NYCmike says:

    “If CNN and ABC are so wrong on Trump’s current JA (before he even takes office) despite being completely right statistically on the national election result, what do you think Trump’s current national JA truly is then?”

    -It doesn’t matter at all, but I would say this: He would win if another election were held right now. Which Democrat would beat him?

    Next question.

  219. CG says:

    223. I don’t even know what to try to say to that.

    For one thing, I guess Hitler analogies are welcomed when it suits your own purpose, but the bottom line is that Wikileaks, Assange, and Manning are enemies of America and wish harm to come to America.

    That they would in any way be welcomed or appreciated for doing something to Democrats in the context of wanting to harm America is not something I can ever go alone with.

  220. NYCmike says:

    The CIA has shown itself to be less-than-trustworthy.

  221. CG says:

    Which Democrat would beat Trump today?

    Just about anyone not named Hillary. Maybe even her.

  222. NYCmike says:

    “and wish harm to come to America.”

    -And Stalin wanted us to do well?

  223. NYCmike says:

    “Just about anyone not named Hillary. Maybe even her.”

    -No way.

    Go to Disney and find Author.

  224. CG says:

    If the attitude in the party is Wikileaks > CIA, then I want no part of it.

    I still believe a lot of Republicans do not think that is the case. It sure seems to me that Donald J. Trump holds an opposite view than them though.

  225. CG says:

    So, since we spent a decades long Cold War fighting Stalin and the Soviet Union after WWII, now that “Hitlery” is safely beaten, we would have to now be prepared to go to war with Wikileaks and their Russian sponsors. Right?

  226. PresidentPaul! says:

    Tweets are journalist Hardwood after he attacked wikileaks

    Bjorn Johnson @bjornejohnson77
    @JohnJHarwood Wikileaks never lied to us about WMDs, of course they are more trustworthy than intel agencies that lied us into unnecessary wars.
    ..And
    Tone Loc @ToneLocNV
    @JohnJHarwood I believe the content of the emails that shows you colluded with dnc. And DNC stole the primary from Bernie #BERNIEorBUST
    And
    Christian @TalkNerdyToMe72
    .@JohnJHarwood wow you and Podesta are awfully chummy, did you ever disclose that to viewers? https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/57770

  227. DW says:

    Looking at the popular vote polls:

    Clinton won popular vote by 2.1 point gap.

    Final polls:
    Rasmussen: Clinton +2
    McClatchy/Marist: Clinton +1
    Bloomberg and Reuters/Ipsos: Clinton +3
    Economist/YouGov, ABC/WashPo, Fox News, Gravis, NBC/wallst, CBS: CLinton +4
    Monmouth: Clinton +6
    IBD/TIPP: Trump +2

    So Rasmussen was the winner. Several were off by 1, a longer list off by 2 and two of them were off by 4.

    It shouldn’t have surprised pollsters that a tight national popular vote poll would result in a Trump win in the electoral college, given the expected huge margins for Clinton in CA, NY, MA, MD, and IL.

  228. CG says:

    I go back and forth if Sanders would have actually won against Trump (because he could be painted accurately as so far out of the mainstream) but Biden would have beat Trump handily, even with all his flaws. Just about any generic Democrat would have won without Hillary’s baggage.

    I think their party is in crisis right now and have no idea how crazy they will be for 2020. Hopefully, Republicans do far better than Trump, or from my perspective, there is a viable, mainstream conservative third party alternative.

  229. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “All sorts of Trump supporters are hailing Wikileaks and Assange.”

    Wasn’t there once a push by liberals last year to have Assange pardoned. As Obama’s brother said in October of last year, “All he is doing is free E-mails.”

    Apparently Assange subsequently freed some E-mails about Clinton that Obama and the liberals did not want freed. So finding out the truth about Hillary became a constitutional crisis; where Assange’s previous E-mail releases were just an act of free speech.

  230. CG says:

    Screw Assange and screw anyone who thinks Assange is any sort of hero or did anything worthy of praise from Americans.

  231. Conservative Populist says:

    Corey has always been an apologist for the GOP establishment. Thankfully, our new president triumphed over their myopia and fecklessness. Also, good to see that MD and Author are no longer here.

  232. CG says:

    I think you are confusing Snowden with Assange though.

    The U.S. has no capacity to “pardon” Assange. He is facing charges elsewhere.

  233. CG says:

    “Corey has always been an apologist for the GOP establishment.”

    According to lisab, I am a paid online operative of left-wing enterprises.

    I’ll go with the establishment apologist tag.

  234. Bitterlaw says:

    there is a viable, mainstream conservative third party alternative.

    All that does is elect the Democrat. You know that, Corey. You have to know that.

  235. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    241. Had the same initial reaction when I read the story, as Snowden would seem more likely, but Malik Obama did call for a pardon of Assange.

    If he was pardoned, assume he could live in the U.S. without arrest, subject to another country attempt to have him extradited.

  236. CG says:

    Ok, let’s go with Malik Obama as some sort of sage.

    I’ve noticed Trumpers sure like to re-Tweet him a lot.

    Assange said he would turn himself in if Obama pardoned Manning. Does the commutation count? Somehow, I don’t think Assange is going to be a man of his word, but people on the left and the right alike, will look up to him for different reasons regardless.

    Sad!

  237. CG says:

    Pray for the country..

    See you in the spring, HHR.

  238. Cash Cow TM says:

    I have no clue why I should get outraged when some D congressperson says they are boycotting some R president inauguration, or some R congressperson says they are boycotting some D presidential inauguration.

    IT.CHANGES.NOTHING.

    WHY.DOES.NEW.MEDIA.MAKE.A.BIG DEAL?

  239. NYCmike says:

    “If the attitude in the party is Wikileaks > CIA, then I want no part of it.”

    -My attitude: I don’t trust any of them.

  240. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    245. “I don’t think Assange is going to be a man of his word, but people on the left and the right alike, will look up to him for different reasons regardless.”

    To those on the left, Assange is now looked upon as Putin’s pet poodle, who did his evil bidding to prevent Hillary from becoming president.

  241. NYCmike says:

    “So, since we spent a decades long Cold War fighting Stalin and the Soviet Union after WWII, now that “Hitlery” is safely beaten, we would have to now be prepared to go to war with Wikileaks and their Russian sponsors. Right?”

    -Not really sure you would write “Hitlery”, because I made no such comparison between Hitler and Hillary.

    I did make a comparison of having two enemies, Hillary and Wikileaks along with Germany and Russia, and having to choose which one I need to defeat first.

    Clearly, Hitler and Germany were worse than the Soviet Union at the time of World War II, and clearly Hillary was the more urgent issue before dealing with Wikileaks.

    Again, no comparison was made between Hitler and Hillary, nor between Soviet Union and Wikileaks.

    Only a sanctimonious nimrod would think that there were similarities between the protagonists.

  242. DW says:

    I expect MD will return.

  243. Cash Cow TM says:

    I was considering organizing a bunch of cows and people to go to DC to protest against the protesters who are protesting against the protestors who are protesting Trump.

    But I shelved the plans because I have not figured out if that makes me a Trump supporter or a Trump Hater.

    I think Trump is a detestable person, I am not a Trumpbot, I fear he will fail as a president, I hope he will be successful in solving the nation’s ills, and I hope all the protestors have bad Karma befall them.

  244. NYCmike says:

    “I expect MD will return.”

    -And we all wait with…….laughter!

  245. NYCmike says:

    “But I shelved the plans because I have not figured out if that makes me a Trump supporter or a Trump Hater.”

    -It makes you a Trump Steak, if you don’t watch out!

  246. Cash Cow TM says:

    Several comments:

    1. I miss MD and Scooter.

    2. Corey is deranged when he says the election polls were pretty accurate.

    3. Donald Trump’s presidency will be full of turmoil–much of it by his own making. Not sure how full it will be of successes, but I can always hope…

    4. The MSM will go after Trump like an alligator going after a toddler in Disney World

    5. I think many voters in Nov. voting for flawed Trump over very flawed HRC was a collective Hail Mary move.

    6 I personally am of the COW-pinion that Obama is a psychopath and also that DJT is a psychopath and that HRC is probably a psychopath, too. I do not think it is wise to elect psychopaths as president.

  247. Conservative Populist says:

    Corey said that Romney ran a great campaign. Corey is delusional.

  248. Conservative Populist says:

    Cash Cow, your making light of the Disney tragedy is in poor taste, as I’m confident most would.

    We are not a-moo-sed.

  249. NYCmike says:

    Conservative Populist,

    I will turn my udder cheek to Ca$h Cow’s insensitivity.

  250. Conservative Populist says:

    A good thought, NYC. Perhaps we should emulate British foreign policy of the past and treat Cash Cow with bovine neglect.

  251. lisab says:

    “The final ABC and CNN national polls before the election were Clinton + 3. The final result nationally was Clinton + 2.”

    two weeks before the election abc was hillary +12 and cbs was +11

    miraculously they saw the polls tighten right before the election … again

    it is really amazing how republican candidates gain so much traction right before elections

  252. lisab says:

    “Why are some Republicans “hailing” Wikileaks and Assange?”

    everyone should be hailing wikileaks and assange

  253. lisab says:

    how did the bears do last weekend in the playoffs?

    i could not find their game?

  254. Phil says:

    # Of Democratic House members boycotting inauguration up to 58 and climbing.

    I say the final number plateaus at 74.

  255. DW says:

    264 – watch Trump be the grown-up on Friday and at the same time call out those who didn’t show up making them look petty and foolish.

  256. Bitterlaw says:

    I have been thinking about this move for months. Corey’s return was the last insult. I have been posting at HHR for more than 12 years. I do not think that I have missed a day. It has become increasingly clear, and sadly undeniable, that this place is filled with unjustified arrogance from people who are spectacularly wrong but only remember when they were right, people who pretend to be in favor of a traditional America but only because that America was more white than it is now, and Deadender morons. GFY is no longer strong enough to convey my rage at those people who are committed to ruining a great blog. Therefore, I declare that I am going to stop posting at HHR…

    …until after 8:00 p.m.

  257. lisab says:

    there is an 8 to 11% chance bitterlaw doesn’t post until 8:15 pm

    book it

  258. Wes says:

    I wonder how many House Democrats boycotting the inauguration will hail from districts Trump carried.

  259. DW says:

    Bitter returns in 11 minutes.

  260. lisab says:

    i think you mean 8 to 11 minutes

  261. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m back. GFY.

  262. Conservative Populist says:

    Trump and Congressional GOP must strike while the iron is hot – in this case, while the Dems continue to wallow in their deluisonal mire over the election. Pass as much as possible, nuke Senate rules if necessary and get ‘er done while the Dems are in disarray.

  263. Trump says:

    The Jeb coc$-sucker is back?

    Trump must be doing something right, to get this as$wipe riled up.

  264. NYCmike says:

    This “Trump” poster has good timing! Well done!

  265. Bitterlaw says:

    “Trump” also predicted the end of the GOP and told us Hillary would be inaugurated on January 20, 2017.

  266. NYCmike says:

    I said he has good timing.

    I didn’t say he knew what he was speaking about….well, about Corey he does.

  267. NYCmike says:

    Bitter’s back, and more bitter than before…hey la hey la, the Bitterlaw’s back!

  268. Trump says:

    Show me any post where I said anything about Hillary inauguration.

    Regarding GOP, I conflated the GOP with conservatives.

    GOP is at the height of its power, conservatism is at rock bottom.

  269. Trump says:

    Who are the fu&$ed morons who insisted that Trump had no path to the nomination, let alone the presidency.

  270. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    211. “Zzzzzzzzzz. Chelsea Manning should have been shot as a traitor.”

    Agree

  271. Mr.Vito says:

    Jan 10
    Luis A. Mendez ?@AuthorLMendez
    2016 was not my best year but I’m feeling good about my next couple years of predictions

    I’ll take wvally’s word over Corey’s, I guess

  272. Mr.Vito says:

    I just took a trip in my 42-foot fifth wheel RV.

    It was coooooool.

  273. biomom says:

    264. Who cares! Childish!

  274. jason says:

    There were a whole lot of Republican primary voters, who had supported Rubio, Kasich, and others, who then wound up voting for Clinton in the general election.”

    Actually, I think there were hardly any. If there were, Trump would not have won.

    In the end he got like 90% of the Republican vote, maybe 10% remained NeverTrumpers.

    People who sold out like Author were very few. Any Republican or Conservative who voted for Clinton forfeited any moral case against Trump, considering she was the most ethically challenged candidate in History.

  275. jason says:

    Who are the fu&$ed morons who insisted that Trump had no path to the nomination”

    Who was the f–cked up moron who predicted Trump would lose and take down the entire GOP with him.

    Oh, that was you.

  276. jason says:

    Channing is a traitor who should be shot. Assange is not a traitor, he is not a citizen. However, he is hardcore anti-American and a real scumbag in just about every sense.

    He is not our friend. Yes, his hacked email trove of Podesta confirmed what we already knew, that the MSM and the Clinton campaign were colluding against Trump. But anyone who thinks he is a friend of the US should have their head examined.

  277. Trump says:

    Ash, the la raza pimp is back.

    The sad loser as&hole.

    Nevertrump di$&wad.

    Go f your mother, 1000 times a day.

  278. NYCmike says:

    Looks to me like CG proved wvally correct, Author is part of the “insurgent” party in Congress.

  279. CG says:

    He specifically said on his Twitter that he was not saying Democrats would win House/Senate in two years.

    I believe she made an honest mistake in how she remembered what he said.

  280. CG says:

    My “prediction recap”

    http://cgpolitics.blogspot.com/2016_12_16_archive.html

    I seem to have the knack on House races.

  281. NYCmike says:

    Author: “That’s not to say they’ll suddenly have House/Senate in 2 years but I am betting big time Dems are in a MUCh better position w/in 4 years”

    wvally says:
    January 17, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    Recent posts from Author:

    Dems may retake the Senate in 2018 and do very well in the House

    and

    I didn’t do very well in my predictions for 2016, but I’m feeling very confident about my predictions for the next two years

  282. NYCmike says:

    Hope Author is happy with his wife and new condo.

    I also am glad he like the Federalist article about “When Fat-Shaming Celebrities is Counter-Productive.”

    LOL

  283. CG says:

    He specifically said he did not believe they would win the Senate in 2018 which is how I remembered what he said. (He Tweets incessantly) Had he said the Democrats would win the Senate in 2018, I would have remembered distinctly, since such a thing would totally fly in the face of the map.

  284. NYCmike says:

    wvally’s words:

    “Dems may retake the Senate in 2018”

    see the word “may”, it means something.

  285. CG says:

    And his words were to specifically say they were not going to have the House and Senate after 2018.

    He just thinks they will be in much better shape in four years, which would be after 2020, but still without his having claimed they would win majorities.

  286. Proud Obamacon says:

    Only three days until yall own it all! The coming recession, 20 million people getting their health insurance taken away, job loss, no wall.

    Orange Pussy Grabber’s approval already underwater.

    LOLLLL Loooosahs

    Worst.Administration.Evahhhhhhhhhhh

  287. CG says:

    So, if he were here, instead of on Twitter or watching wrestling, or whatever he else he may be doing, I believe he would say, “no, I don’t think the Democrats will retake the Senate in 2018.”

    If anyone does the Twitter thing, they can just ask him themselves.

  288. Bitterlaw says:

    Oh, joy. 300 post debate over the meaning of the word “may” in 3…2…1…

  289. Bitterlaw says:

    Is it Spring already? Corey’s back.

  290. jason says:

    Whatever Author meant, he is a sellout, I have lost all respect for him. Not supporting Trump is one thing, voting for a morally bankrupt candidate like Hillary is another. It sounds to me like he wants the Dems to do well in 2018 so he can feel better.

  291. jason says:

    Ash, the la raza pimp is back.

    The sad loser as&hole.

    Nevertrump di$&wad.

    Go f your mother, 1000 times a day.”

    LOL I guess my comment below was a bullseye!

    Who was the f–cked up moron who predicted Trump would lose and take down the entire GOP with him.

    Oh, that was you.”

  292. jason says:

    seem to have the knack on House races.”

    Good, because your predictions on the Presidential race sucked.

    I’ll be looking forward to the 2018 Senate predictions.

  293. Proud Obamacon says:

    The Orange Groper wrote his own inauguration speech. Should be pure gold! LOLLLLL

  294. Proud Obamacon says:

    The Orange Pussy Grabber promised that everyone will be covered by health insurance, universal health care!!!!

    LOL.. Not to worry, soon he’ll claim he never said it and that it’s fake news.

    LOL

    Worst.Administration.Evahhhhhh

  295. Trump says:

    Hillary did not write her inauguration address. In fact, nobody wrote her inauguration address.

    Pure gold. Lol,lol lol.

  296. Trump says:

    In fact, Hillary will never write her inaugural address.

    Hallelujah!!

  297. Proud Obamacon says:

    Good one Trump! Still want to talk about Hillary and not your Orange Hero I see.. LOL don’t blame ya…

  298. Mr.Vito says:

    “Only three days until yall own it all!”

    Not quite… once Trump’s SCOTUS pick is confirmed, then they will own it all.

  299. Trump says:

    Hillary Administration Nevahhhhhhhh

  300. Trump says:

    Hillary Administration Nevahhhhhhhh

    How sweet it is!

  301. Trump says:

    President Trump, to you.

  302. Proud Obamacon says:

    Keep talking about Hillary.. soon you’ll need to talk about your Orange Fantasy guy that you jerk off to.

  303. Trump says:

    President Orange Fantasy.

  304. Proud Obamacon says:

    No thanks. Trump is not my president just like President Obama was not yours. I’ll give the Orange Groper just as much of a chance as you gave Pres. Obama which is, no chance. Cheers.

    Not.My.President
    Worst.Administration.Evahhhhhhh

  305. Trump says:

    Trump is your president.

    Lol loll lol.

  306. Trump says:

    You will obey all Trump’s laws, loser.

  307. jason says:

    Worst.Administration.Evahhhhhhh”

    You would know.

  308. Charles says:

    Sadly, all of ObamaconTROLL’s wet dreams are about to come true. Trump’s presidency is going to energize the Marxists and depress conservatives like never before. It really is over. And it has been over ever since Trump was nominated.

    RIP USA

  309. Trump says:

    And, just to be clear, Hillary is Not Anyone’s President.

  310. Trump says:

    Chuck, what has been over? Be clear.

  311. Proud Obamacon says:

    “You will obey all Trump’s laws, loser.”

    Hell yeah I will. Unlike you and your buddies who were ready for violence and revolution if your orange sex god did not win. Loosah. Enjoy this win, it will be your last in a long long time Buddy!

  312. jason says:

    Hey ProudObamaCON, speaking of looosahs, how did your “we have nailed down AZ, now we want Texas” come out for you?

  313. Proud Obamacon says:

    I see yall still want to talk about the past with Hillary, AZ and TX. Fact is Hillary did win 2 million+ more votes and only lost because 1% losses in PA, MI and WI. That’s good, it was a legit win for Trump, so congrats. I accept it. Kids didn’t turn out, too many went for Stein too. It happens. I’ve moved on and I’m ready for ’17 and ’18 and ’20.

    So how long are yall gonna keep bringing up the past. Yall got a problem defending the Orange Pussy Grabber? Or do you know what’s about to happen? Waves coming yall.

  314. jason says:

    Hey ProudobamaCON, we want to thank you for Obama.

    Since he took office, Democrats have lost over 900 state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats, countless other state and local offices.

    Great job, man.

  315. Proud Obamacon says:

    AZ and TX both also moved closer to good guys. The writing is on the wall. Like I said, enjoy this win, it will be the last.

  316. Charles says:

    “And, just to be clear, Hillary is Not Anyone’s President.”

    Dumbfukk, this grand experiment known as the American Democratic Republicanism is dead and gone. This was the last hope and people were ready to save it. The GOP candidate would have won. All we had to do was nominate Walker or Rubio. Instead you deadenders went with Trump. Liberal Dem vs Liberal Dem in the general. Unbelievable. Makes me ill.

    RIP USA

  317. jason says:

    “Fact is Hillary did win 2 million+ more votes”

    Zzzzzzzzz….

    The race was for 270, you know, Hillary knew it, her campaign knew it. That is why Trump and Hillary were campaigning in NH and NV, states with very small popular votes.

    Nobody knows what a popular vote election would bring. The strategy, campaigns, money spent, rallies, ads, etc would have been entirely different.

    But ObamaCON knows that, he knows Trump did not care if Hillary won CA by 100k or 4 million votes.

    Try for a better red herring.

  318. Trump says:

    Why do I have to defend trump?

    He is doing great, fu$&ing all the right people on a daily basis.

    What’s not to like?

  319. jason says:

    AZ and TX both also moved closer to good guys. The writing is on the wall. Like I said, enjoy this win, it will be the last.”

    Is that so? What good guys, crooked Hillary?

    What about OH, IA, NC, MI, PA, WI, MN, NH….

    Did they move closer to crooked Hillary?

  320. Proud Obamacon says:

    “But ObamaCON knows that, he knows Trump did not care if Hillary won CA by 100k or 4 million votes. ”

    And Hillary didn’t care either.

  321. Proud Obamacon says:

    “What about OH, IA, NC, MI, PA, WI, MN, NH….”

    LOL Looooooosah completely misreading the election, good I hope you continue to misread it. Most of these states saw huge numbers of Dems stay home. We’ll be back, you betcha.

  322. Trump says:

    When you are ill, we are happy, Chuck.

    Walker or Rubio? Get better candidates in the future.

  323. jason says:

    Hey Charles. I was never for Trump. But now he is President. I will support him where I can, certainly I will support him against the efforts to de-legitimize from the MSM and idiots like ProudObamaCON.

    You can support Rubio in 2020 if he runs. Pining for him now won’t accomplish anything.

  324. Trump says:

    Your Dems became Reps.

    Lol lol lol, moron.

  325. jason says:

    Most of these states saw huge numbers of Dems stay home. ”

    And why was that? Didn’t Obama tell them to vote for Hillary?

    What happened?

  326. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Your Dems became Reps.”

    LOLL keep believing that. Care to offer any proof?

  327. Bitterlaw says:

    Worst Administration? James Buchanan’s.

  328. jason says:

    I think you are the one misreading the election.

    Blue collar voters in those states went for Trump, they didn’t stay home.

    Some AA’s stayed home, yes, they couldn’t get excited about Hillary, what a surprise.

  329. Proud Obamacon says:

    “And why was that? Didn’t Obama tell them to vote for Hillary?”

    They didn’t like Hillary. I didn’t either. The enthusiasm wasn’t there. Won’t make the mistake next time. And it won’t be hard to generate enthusiasm next time with the Pussy Grabber in office!! Automatic enthusiasm!!!

  330. Trump says:

    Proof is president trump.

  331. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Blue collar voters in those states went for Trump, they didn’t stay home. ”

    Right and most of them were Romney voters.

  332. Trump says:

    Didn’t like Hillary, will love Pocahontas.

    Okayyyyy…great sell in MI.

  333. jason says:

    So ProudObamaCON, if Obama was such a great President why did:

    “Democrats have lost over 900 state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats, countless other state and local offices”

    Could it be there is another America outside the leftist intelligentsia bubble most liberals live in?

  334. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m glad Chuck is here. He makes me look positive and upbeat.

  335. Proud Obamacon says:

    The party out of power always gains. Now its our turn with yall in power.

  336. Trump says:

    There’s always a first time. Lol lol lol.

  337. Charles says:

    Who cares about 2020? By then we’ll be a Banana Republic. Might as well move to Nicaragua.

    RIP USA

  338. jason says:

    Right and most of them were Romney voters.”

    Nope, Trump probably lost some Romney voters in the suburbs, like greater Philly. But he made up for it in blue collar votes that went for Obama.

    200 counties that voted for Obama switched to Trump.

    Erie Co. PA, an industrial town that always goes Dem, went for Trump.

    And I doubt many of these folks are going back to the Democratic Party, they see the Democrats anti- business policies are hurting them.

  339. Trump says:

    Banana is good for you, Chuck.

  340. jason says:

    ‘Might as well move to Nicaragua.”

    Will you go if I buy you a one way ticket?

  341. Trump says:

    You are wasting your time trying to reason with the likes of PO.

    All they are good for is kicking them repeatedly in the nuts. Figuratively speaking.

  342. jason says:

    The party out of power always gains. Now its our turn with yall in power.”

    Not always.

    Meanwhile, enjoy Trump as President and his trashing of Obama’s “legacy”.

  343. Proud Obamacon says:

    “And I doubt many of these folks are going back to the Democratic Party”

    OH let them experience life under the Orange Pussy Grabber. They’ll be back. Guaranteed.

  344. Trump says:

    And PO, one more time. The crooked hag is Not Anyone’s President.

    Let’s all laugh together.

  345. NYCmike says:

    Charles laments the election of Trump, RIP USA.

    Newsflash: Trump has NOT been inaugurated yet, has not signed one bill into law, has not signed one not-a-treaty-giving-billion$-to-Iran.

    BUT, it is all Trump’s fault, even though, so far, he has done exactly what Walker or Rubio would have done themselves, pick certain people for cabinet-level positions.

  346. NYCmike says:

    If Trump grabs Melania’s pussy, do all women fell violated?

  347. jason says:

    hey didn’t like Hillary. I didn’t either. The enthusiasm wasn’t there. Won’t make the mistake next time.”

    Really? You don’t really have much of a bench.

    Fauxcahontas? Al Gore? Bernie? That should add up to 200 years of empty rhetoric right there.

  348. jason says:

    Orange Pussy Grabber.”

    This is someone who probably had no problem with Bill Clinton in office.

  349. jason says:

    H let them experience life under the Orange Pussy Grabber. They’ll be back. Guaranteed.”

    Nah. Look at WV, used to be solid for Dems. Hillary got what, 25%?

    KY went for Clinton twice. Think its going back?

    MO was a bellweather just recently. Think its going back?

    WI and OH and even MN are trending Republican.

    Good luck with getting them back.

  350. jason says:

    Charles laments the election of Trump, RIP USA”

    Charles is going to Nicaragua. Leave him alone.

  351. Trump says:

    What’s all this talk of grabbing pu$&y?

    I bet Trump never touched Obama.

  352. Wes says:

    Let’s see…

    1886, 1898, 1902, 1906, 1914, 1934, 1962, 1970, 1982, 1998, 2002…

    Yes, I can see why Proud Obamacon says the party out of power always gains in a midterm.

  353. Wes says:

    Has Charles ever posted anything besides that the USA is effectively a dead country?

  354. NYCmike says:

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/16/political-correctness-war-means/

    -Author wouldn’t like this Federalist article.

  355. lisab says:

    “But ObamaCON knows that, he knows Trump did not care if Hillary won CA by 100k or 4 million votes. ”

    And Hillary didn’t care either.
    ——————————————-

    actually she did, or at least some people in her team did.

    there was real concern that hillary would win the electoral college but lose the popular vote.

    she had about two dozen trips to california, massachusetts, illinois, new york and washington dc in the last month of her campaign, because they wanted to run up the vote totals there.

    she also went to europe a half dozen times which seems to have been wasted time she should have spent in florida and michigan

    interestingly, her team did seem to know that it was going to be close because they spent A LOT of time in the mid-west

  356. lisab says:

    the important numbers are

    61
    80
    68
    83
    78
    66
    62
    56

  357. Big Joe says:

    “Carmelo Anthony told Phil Jackson in a meeting to discuss the future that he would like to stay in New York and will not waive his no-trade clause. The meeting comes just days after a report came out saying Jackson felt Anthony had overstayed his welcome in New York. Anthony also reaffirmed his ambition to win with the Knicks” – source:sny.tv

    Well that’s nice. I like Melo, I’m sure he does the best that he can possibly do. But his contract is a burden so he needs to be traded. He’s 33 now and on the downside. Next year he makes $26M and the following year he makes $28M. This completely handcuffs the Knicks. He can still ball, but he’s not what he used to be. Let’s get some pieces in return and build around the young guys.

    Big Joe

  358. lisab says:

    roberts 61
    kennedy 80 wants to retire
    thomas 68 wants to retire
    ginsberg 83 ill and wants to retire
    breyer 78
    alito 66
    sotomayar 62
    kagan 56

    trump is likely to appoint 2-4 justices. ginsberg and breyer are the two big unknowns.

  359. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt routinely drives to the Supreme Court and yells at the Justices to get off his lawn.

  360. Wes says:

    Best wishes to GHWB.

  361. NYCmike says:

    Thomas wants to retire?

    Ginsberg, ill YES, wants to retire, NOT that I know of.

    Keep fighting, George 41.

  362. NYCmike says:

    Tina,

    The more important news is that Corey will be back when spring comes.

    When does the Groundhog declare when spring will start this year?

  363. Wes says:

    I hope about the time George R. R. Martin finishes the Song of Ice and Fire series, Mike.

  364. jason says:

    she had about two dozen trips to california, massachusetts, illinois, new york and washington dc in the last month of her campaign, because they wanted to run up the vote totals there.”

    I don’t think it was to run up the vote, most of those trips were fund raisers.

  365. Bitterlaw says:

    The one state where Hillary and her surrogates really fought to win – Pennsylvania – she lost. Hillary, Biden, and the Obamas practically lived in Philadelphia for the last month of the campaign. Of course, they went after voters that she was already going to win instead of the deplorables in other parts of PA.

  366. jason says:

    terestingly, her team did seem to know that it was going to be close because they spent A LOT of time in the mid-west”

    Yes and no…they conceded OH and IA pretty much. Hillary did not go ONCE to Wisconsin, very little to Michigan. They seemed to have an inkling PA might need shoring up, especially towards the end.

    The firewall was supposed to be WI-MI-PA-VA… they couldn’t see how Trump could win without one of those even if he swept OH-FL-NC. And they were right, he couldn’t.

    The fact is they got talked into going for a “mandate” instead of locking up the firewall. It was a mistake. Even ProudObamaCON was talking about AZ, GA, maybe even TX. They got greedy and paid for it.

  367. jason says:

    win instead of the deplorables in other parts of PA.”

    Hey A-hole, who are you calling deplorable?

  368. Bitterlaw says:

    Hmmmmmm. Was there anybody here posting that PA was in play? I know one of us did.

  369. Bitterlaw says:

    Ok. It was me.

  370. jason says:

    Well, me too. I repeatedly said Trump was going to over perform Romney in Southcentral PA and other areas too and that Obama’s 2012 300k margin was not locked in for Hillary.

    Where I was wrong was predicting Hillary would underperform in Philadelphia Co., that really didn’t happen. She held her margin there and it still wasn’t enough.

  371. Wes says:

    Actually, Bitter, when I asked, you said Trump had a 10% chance of carrying PA. I don’t know how that’s saying the Commonwealth was in play.

  372. Tina says:

    The jebots will return. Sorry record and all.

  373. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – I said repeatedly that there was a reason that Hillary had to spend most of the last week in Philadelphia and that she had not locked PA down. If I said 10% (I will accept your word), I was the only one giving Trump any chance at a win here. Everybody else said that PA was fool’s gold. 10% chance vs fool’s gold is “in play” when it comes to PA. Did you see even a 1% chance for Trump in PA? I think that you were in the fool’s gold contingent.

  374. Walt says:

    Honk.

    Been up since 6:55 this morning.
    Needed to attend a meeting at 8.

    I hope I can get by without taking a nap today.

    If I do take a nap, the rest of you keep the noise level down on here. Never a good idea to get an old man mad at you.

  375. janz says:

    Interesting timing to post trump’s low favorability numbers, right before he is to be sworn into office. Coincidence? Probably not.

  376. Tina says:

    What was trumps final margin in pa?

  377. Tina says:

    Fake news and fake polls

    Drats always play politics over the inaguration. Boycots, stunts, violence, etc. shameful.

  378. Cash Cow TM says:

    In WV, there is now serious talk of doing away with State Standardized Test. The idea is to replace it with a State designed “End-Of-Year” Test that will then be part of the subject grade for the student and help determine whether the student passes or fails for the year.

    State Student Standardized Test score results in WV have not been good.

    Kids take the current State Standardized Test, but it has NO impact on the grades they get in their subjects.

    The student test score on the current State Standardized Test DOES count when the state bureaucrats give an A-F rating as to the school’s effectiveness.

    AND the student Standardized State Test Score DOES count on the performance rating of teachers.
    ****************
    In high school, state bureaucrats allott something like 240 minutes for students to complete the current State Standardized Test, but high school students are on average only using 87 minutes to finish the test. State Education officials says this proves the students are not taking the test seriously and do not care if they do well on it or not since they have no skin in the game and it does not affect their class grades or pass or fail. (of course, students using far less than the allotted time could also be the result of other things as well–but State Education bureaucrats do not want to go there…)

    **************************************
    Here is the kicker that NOBODY is discussing:
    The State bureaucrats also currently require High School Students to take Semester Tests, and that Semester Tests must count 1/4 or some such of the student’s final semester grade.

    SO…If WV is now going to require all students to take an End-Of-Year Test (like VA and many other states have already been doing for years) are they STILL going to require students to take a Second Semester Test and just pile another E.O.Y. test on them as well?

    HHR posters–does YOUR state require End Of Year tests that count heavily on the student’s course grade? THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS A STATE STANDARDIZED TEST THAT HAS NO EFFECT ON STUDENT GRADES.

  379. jason says:

    Trump 2,970,733
    Hillary 2,926,441 about 44k votes

  380. jason says:

    The jebots will return. Sorry record and all.”

    Where is Wobbie?

  381. jason says:

    PA 2012

    Obama 51.95% 2,990,274
    Romeny 46.5&% 2,680,434

    PA 2016
    Trump 48.20% 2,970,733
    Hillary 47.48% 2,926,441

    So basically Trump got the same number of votes in PA that Obama did in 2012.

    However, Gary Johnson got 50k votes in 2012. He got 150k votes in 2016. Jill Stein go 20k votes in 2012, 50k in 2016. Write-ins for Daffy Duck and others were an astounding 50k, only 13k in 2012. Castle of the Constitution Party got 22k votes.

    In other words vote for other than Hillary and Trump totaled about 280k votes, only about 80k votes were not for Romney or Obama in 2012.

  382. jason says:

    I wonder how many people did not vote for the top of the ticket at all, don’t know if there is a way of knowing that.

  383. janz says:

    #393 Tina, so true. Democrats are outdoing themselves. Their pettiness, intolerance for another’s opinion not matching their own, and vindictiveness has been on steroids since they lost the election.

  384. Bitterlaw says:

    CD

  385. Mr.Vito says:

    Did anyone see Tucker Carlson expose fake news live on TV that other outlets had run without fact checking?

  386. Cash Cow TM says:

    Mr. Vito,

    I like it that the guy supports Assange….and Peyton Manning.

  387. NYCmike says:

    CD0IV

  388. Cash Cow TM says:

    CD0IV

    VOID C

  389. NYCmike says:

    Moo!

  390. DW says:

    Tonight the people of Virginia will give lethal injection to a man who 11 years ago slaughtered a family of four in their home, including two little girls, slitting their throats and hitting their heads with a hammer until they stopped moving. Then he admitted to slaughtering a different family – he never went to trial for that one because he was already getting death penalty for first slaughter.

    Local story finds some concerned that the lethal injection might amount to ‘chemical torture.’

    I guess only in American can we find such lunacy. Years ago a public hanging would have been deemed a relatively merciful execution over older methods like the spinning wheel.

  391. Tina says:

    Did any r say thst the obumbler was not elected legitimately?

  392. DW says:

    More on NBC election night coverage bias:

    Early coverage excitedly interested in watching all the GOP senators fall and Democrats take control.

    They were eager to report Duckworth winner at 8:03 pm.
    They mentioned Rubio’s win at 8:08, and by 8:24 pm, the NBC data center had given clearance to NBC hosts to call Indiana for Young. We know this because MSNBC called Young the winner at 8:24. But NBC waited until 8:36, and then fell completely silent about the senate until 12:15 am.
    During this blackout, the NBC data center gave them the green light to call McCain the winner at 9:02, Burr at 10:13 and Ron Johnson at 11:03, and all these were mentioned on MSNBC, But Lester Hold and Chuck Todd had nothing to say about these races.

    Not until 12:15 am did NBC’s interest in the senate suddenly return when they were happy to report Cortez Masto was the winner in NV, holding Harry Reid’s seat.

  393. Bitterlaw says:

    DW – You seriously need to get out of the house. Think about that. Somebody who only leaves home to work and coach teenagers is telling you to get out more.

  394. NYCmike says:

    ” Think about that.”

    -no!

  395. DW says:

    There are stories out there about a Hillary comeback.

    Lets examine this:

    1) The last major party candidate to win the party’s nomination having previously lost a general election attempt to become president was Richard Nixon who lost in 1960, then won in 1968. He was 56 when he became POTUS in 1968, having previously been the Vice-President. The last Democrat to “try again” was Adlai Stevenson who lost in both 1952 and 1956. The last successful Democrat to come back, try again, and win was Grover Cleveland in 1892, although he had previously been president. There has never been a Democrat who was never before president, who lost as nominee and tried again as the nominee and then won.

    2) Hillary would be 73 years old in 2020, not exactly an asset, especially when she already looked 80 in 2016.

    3) Four years from now is not enough time to erase the memory of all the reasons Clinton was distasteful to so many voters.

    4) She is only likely to become more shrill in the next 4 years.

    5) The Bernie wing of the party will not stand for another “thrown away” election just to satisfy the egos and vanity of the Clintons. They would demand Elizabeth Warren run instead.

    6) The same demographics that made Hillary weak in the rust belt states likely would be in force again in four years.

    7) The media will be well aware of #1-6 and will not want to miss out on any chance to remove Trump, so they will work against Hillary if needed.

    I am sure there are other reasons that could be mentioned, but safe to say, there will be no second run for Hillary.

  396. NYCmike says:

    Just saw some story, an attempted murder case out of Wisconsin, about “Slenderman”.

    Has anyone ever heard of this?

  397. NYCmike says:

    Hillary comeback, as Mayor of NYC?

    If I knew that would happen, I would have voted with Author Mendez, so EVERYONE would have suffered the same fate.

  398. jason says:

    Leave DW alone. I have nothing better to do than read his election night encyclopedia and I find it profoundly interesting.

    Those of you with lives can GFYs.

  399. Wes says:

    DW is putting a lot more effort into his Election Night atlas than most people would. I personally like the timeline as it shows us how poorly the media handled their job of reporting the news.

  400. DW says:

    416, I am confident it will be well received and I expect to find a conservative blog willing to publish it. Probably and hour by hour rollout. Not only does it reveal interesting comparisons of network comments and analysis, but it also documents when and at what points in the night each candidate was leading in key states. This is in additional to when each network called each state.

    So in four years, one could on election night look back at the Atlas and say, wow, they should call this state because four years ago the same candidate had an even bigger lead at this point in the night and it was already called.

  401. jason says:

    Maybe you could submit it to Real Clear Politics.

  402. Diamond Jim says:

    Thread’s dead baby. Thread’s dead.

  403. Phil says:

    Number of House Dems skipping inauguration now at 65. My guess of 74 looking better and better. In fact, it may be on the low side.

    What a bunch of dicks.

  404. jason says:

    74 is about half of them…

    I am sure they would be outraged had anyone skipped Obama’s inauguration.

    Remember how they were upset when a GOP congressman said you lie to Obama?

  405. Cash Cow TM says:

    bunch of dicks

    chunk doc fibs
    B chicks found
    donks chub fin
    donks bi_ch fun

  406. Cash Cow TM says:

    I heard that the first meal that Trump will be served in the White House is orange roughy.

  407. Walt says:

    I got by today without taking a nap.

    Old people RULE!
    &
    get off my lawn.

  408. lisab says:

    Just saw some story, an attempted murder case out of Wisconsin, about “Slenderman”.

    Has anyone ever heard of this?
    ————————————

    yes, it was a few years ago. two young girls stabbed their friend because of a “boogeyman” called slenderman

  409. NYCmike says:

    We need the HOBOS to return!

  410. NYCmike says:

    That’s it, lisab?

    Was it widespread, or just this random incident?

    How does that happen?

  411. jason says:

    The HOBOS couldn’t compete with the A-holes.

    Survival of the fittest.

    Natural selection.

  412. Tina says:

    Tucker is killing mayhem in the ratings. Nice replacement for meme kelly.

  413. Cash Cow TM says:

    “The HOBOS couldn’t compete with the A-holes.”

    According to Walt–not true.

    He says there were two problems that greatly harmed the HOBOs.

    1. when the HOBOs had marches through the towns, outsiders thought they were chanting HOMOs rule instead of HOBOs rule.

    2. The HOBOs forgot where the clubhouse was, what the rules and bylaws were, where were they put their dues money,and what their names were half the time.

  414. lisab says:

    it was one attempted murder

    two middle school girls, invited their friend to a sleepover.

    unfortunately they were both schizophrenic or had a similar psychosis. one was more so affected than the other. this is why it is a famous case.

    the two girls were a fan of some kind of comic-book like “boogeyman” character named slenderman. it was just a made up character that you can read horror stories about.

    being schizo this was a bad thing.

    the girls took their friend out in the woods and
    stabbed her but she lived.

    the girls went on trial as adults, even though they are very young and mentally ill.

    way to go governor walker

  415. NYCmike says:

    “unfortunately they were both schizophrenic”

    -Oh, bullsh*t on this! Lock them up!

  416. Walt says:

    PBS TV is running a special on what caused the rise of DJT.

    I do not want to watch it. My fairly non-political wife wants to watch it and turned it on.

    She admits she does lacks the depth of political background and understanding to know if all the events highlighted really fit together in the way the show says to explain the rise of DJT.

    The PBS show goes back to 2010 in Obama’s presidency. I think it paints the Republicans and those who opposed Obama in the worse light possible, and Obama in the best light possible. He is the victim of the evilness of the Republicans, particularly the evil tea party Republicans.

    They do interview both key Rs and well as Ds but
    the D people interviews show them in the best light (even when they are not being truthful as to what really happened).

    They are now up to the failed government shutdown, and how Eric Cantor being defeated in his primary by Tea party guy David Bratt.

    PBS says this put an end to any idea for immigration reform.

  417. Walt says:

    The clips they show and how the PBS people various shootings like Trayvon Martin, the Ferguson, MO shooting and riots, etc. are very biased and not factual. PBS paints the ones who got shot as angels who were doing nothing wrong.

  418. Walt says:

    5 days after Ferguson shooting and trouble began, Obama gets on TV to make his first statement.

    The Black commentator they keep going back to after each big national racial problem just rips into Obama as not responding properly to meet the needs of the Black community.

    PBS says Black Lives Matter movement was a completely spontaneous movement…uhmmm, ok…

  419. Cash Cow TM says:

    PBS says that Obama was reluctant to make any public response to Ferguson riots sooner than he did because he did not want to hurt himself politically.

    Umm…ok..

  420. Cash Cow TM says:

    PBS is playing tons of clips from the Mark Levin radio programs…

  421. Cash Cow TM says:

    PBS finally says something I fully agree with.

    Trump gets a big boost when he comes out strong against illegal immigration.

  422. Cash Cow TM says:

    O.M.G.

    PBS says that DJT (early in the R primary) became the leader of the conservative movement in America.

    The Black commentator says that the mentally deranged nutcase white supremacist Dylan Roof (or whatever his name) was who shot and killed all those Black people in that SC church did it because he could not get to obama to ass.assinate him so he went and shot as many black people as he could. And implied that the country was full of white people just like Dylan “nutjob” Roof.

  423. Cash Cow TM says:

    Barf!

  424. Cash Cow TM says:

    Lots of audio clips of hand grenade throwing statements by both Mark Levin and Laura Ingram on the PBS show…leaving the impression those two were espousing mainstream positions of the GOP.

  425. Cash Cow TM says:

    OK…

    I am off to Facebook…

  426. NYCmike says:

    Ca$h,

    Those “hand grenade throwing statements” from Levin and Ingram, how many of them included the words “Enforce existing law!”?

  427. Bitterlaw says:

    Damn it. Lost 33-27. 4 of my best players were out tonight. Couldn’t hold the lead at the end. 2 players were sick, 1 had to study for a math test, and 1 was playing for her CYO team.

  428. Bitterlaw says:

    Those poor girls. I hope their victim didn’t suffer as much because the bitches stabbing her had issues.

  429. Cash Cow TM says:

    Gallup poll
    Jan 2-3, 2017
    What improved and what got better of these 19 important issues under Obama?

    Only 4 things improved.

    Whatcha think was the #1 by far biggest improvement?
    ______________________
    If you said better treatment of gays & lesbians, you are a winner. Step and and claim your prize.

    Wanna try to guess the only the three moderate to tiny improvements under 8 years of Obama’s hand on the helm?
    Bet you nickels to donuts you can’t do it.
    #############################################
    Now list the 15 things that got WORSE under 8 years of BHO.

    What do you thing were the worst deteriorating issues?

    find out below:

    http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-17-at-1.15.01-PM.png

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/17/gallup-public-grades-obama-minus-9-percent/

  430. Cash Cow TM says:

    Tough loss, Bitter.

    One that CUD* have easily been a win if you had all your troops there.

    Will you see that team again later in the season?

    *CUD–Cow joke.
    Just CUD not help myself.

  431. Cash Cow TM says:

    BTW,

    IMO the 46% of people polled by Gallup who think that “energy” in the U.S. got better they are delusional. They need to put down the cr.a.ck pipe.
    ################
    And climate change is a plus with 33 saying we have gotten better and 23 saying we have gotten worse.

    The 33% who think our efforts to conquer global warming can smile about that and take comfort. Hope they feel that is a good tradeoff with things on the other end of the seesaw that got worse under Obama’s masterful leadership.

    The following trains have jumped the track and plummeting toward the canyon below:

    federal debt
    crime
    gap between rich and poor
    race relations
    situation in iraq
    terrorism
    U.S. position in world
    Immigration
    Afgannystan
    taxes
    national defense and military
    education
    situation for Blacks
    trade relations

    and Healthcare is a sum zero-AFTER a bunch of years of the highly touted OBAMACARE!

    AND…with all of the above, RAS says Obama approval rating has gone from -2 in late Dec. to +18 today!
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
    The people RAS is polling must be giving Obama high marks for participation and not for accomplishments!
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
    HAR DEE HAR HAR HAR!

  432. lisab says:

    Oh, bullsh*t on this! Lock them up!
    ———————————–

    well in our society

    young people who commit crimes, and people who are mentally ill are generally given lighter sentences and/or treatment because they have diminished capacity to understand what they are doing.

    these girls were 12 at the time and one was already known to have full blown schizophrenia. she hallucinates. she sees and hears things that are not real. the other girl was not a full blown schizophrenic, but had symptoms.

    these are the people who hear voices and see things. they would be exactly the type to think slenderman was real.

    if 12 year old schizophrenics are tried as adults then there is no insanity defense in our system.

    which, btw, is not to say they should not be put in a medical institution for dangerous mentally ill people. just that they should not be put in a women’s prison for 65 years.

  433. lisab says:

    “I hope their victim didn’t suffer as much because the bitches stabbing her had issues.”

    no she suffered less, they were too crazy and or inexperienced to actually kill her

    stabbed her 20 times though

  434. lisab says:

    “What improved and what got better of these 19 important issues under Obama?”

    obviously treatment of gays and lesbians. in 2004 i was pretty much the only one advocating for gay marriage here and most posters thought it would not happen.

    global warming/climate change advocacy groups are definitely better

    illegal immigration has gotten way better, if by better you mean we have let millions of unknown people into our country to serve as an underclass to businessmen, with their pay supplemented by welfare programs paid for by the middle class …

    health care is much better for people with no money and who don’t work. they can now afford the same doctors a middle class family can, and because they don’t have to pay any deductible or anything, they can actually go see their doctors

    oil production and coal production is much more difficult now in the usa than before obama, so that is good … it is way cheaper to develop oil reserves in environmentally friendly countries … like … russia

    oh, speaking of russia, hillary sold 20% of our uranium reserves to russia, so we don’t have to worry about radioactive waste as much …

    ummmmm … and the white house has a garden now because of michelle. i am sure that saved a bunch of money for the usa

  435. jason says:

    CNN is grasping at straws.

    Releases report that says if Trump and Pence are killed at the inauguration, an Obama cabinet member will be President.

    Hope springs eternal for CNN I guess.

  436. Bitterlaw says:

    I will say a positive thing about the Obama. He seems like a good dad. Also, Bin Laden is dead. Not much of a record to show for 8 years.

  437. jason says:

    lisab is trying to re-write history of course.

    Let’s look at it in real world terms

    obviously treatment of gays and lesbians. in 2004 i was pretty much the only one advocating for gay marriage here and most posters thought it would not happen.

    Society has changed since 2004 but that has little to with Obama, who basically just went as the wind blows. The truth is Obama ran on anti-gay marriage rhetoric in 2008 and repeatedly stated he thought marriage was between a man and a woman,

    global warming/climate change advocacy groups are definitely better

    Better how? It’s still group-think led by the liberal academia “intelligentsia” who see it as a vehicle for their political goal of destroying capitalism. When liberals say their point of view is “settled” be afraid, very afraid.

    illegal immigration has gotten way better, if by better you mean we have let millions of unknown people into our country to serve as an underclass to businessmen, with their pay supplemented by welfare programs paid for by the middle class …

    Illegal immigration has gotten worse not better but I understand the sarcasm here.

    health care is much better for people with no money and who don’t work. they can now afford the same doctors a middle class family can, and because they don’t have to pay any deductible or anything, they can actually go see their doctors

    No, health care has actually gotten worse for most Americans who are paying more for less service. And the price we are paying to insure the 15% who did see an improvement is much higher than it would be if you didn’t have the bureaucratic boondoggle that is Obamacare.

    oil production and coal production is much more difficult now in the usa than before obama, so that is good … it is way cheaper to develop oil reserves in environmentally friendly countries … like … russia

    Yes, we killed a lot of our jobs by over regulating the fossil fuel industry but Obama didn’t reckon that fracking would become such a big source of supply for oil and natural gas. Trump will de-regulate the industry and it will be less difficult to produce here and that is a good thing.

    oh, speaking of russia, hillary sold 20% of our uranium reserves to russia, so we don’t have to worry about radioactive waste as much …

    ummmmm … and the white house has a garden now because of michelle. i am sure that saved a bunch of money for the usa

    Michelle’s effort to serve food kids won’t eat was an abject failure and her garden probably produced tomatoes that cost $50 each to produce.

  438. jason says:

    Sorry, I don’t give Obama any credit for killing Bin Laden.

    I give GWB the credit for implementing the intelligence system and the war on terror that made it possible to find though, and I credit the military for executing a good mission.

    Giving Obama credit for issuing the order that killed the guy who killed 3,000 Amerians and cost us trillions? Hello? It was his duty and obligation.

  439. Bitterlaw says:

    I give Obama credit for doing his duty. He usually did not.

  440. jason says:

    At DKos you can scroll down and give Obama’s Presidency a grade.

    You can see a few trolls have already voted, but the locals are torn between giving him an A+ or just an A.

  441. jason says:

    “He was a good Dad”

    Zzzzzzz….

    I have nothing bad to say about his kids or his parenting but frankly it would be expected, I have yet to see a President described as a bad Dad.

    From the beginning I said Obama was a Marxist who would make good on his promise to “transform American as we know it”. In that sense I think he was a successful President. We are much more of a nanny state than we were 8 years ago. And that is Obama’s legacy that he is proud of.

    I don’t think Trump can reverse our march to complete nanny statism, but he can delay it. To reverse it you need a profound change in how people view the role of government, personal responsibility, and free enterprise. Considering how entrenched the liberal academia is in our schools and universities I don’t see that happening.

    Yeah, I sound like Charles. The difference is that the US won’t end, as he claims, it will just change.

  442. messy says:

    456. Bush’s people thought that the intelligence product given by the CIA and FBI was “fake news” and so ignored intel on the upcoming 9/11 attacks.

    Had not the supreme court given the presidency to Bush, the Gore administration would have arrested the terrorists long before they did anything.

  443. messy says:

    459. Reagan was often described as a bad dad. He frequently had no idea who his elder son was, and his two younger kids hated his guts.

  444. Bitterlaw says:

    WTF. I try to be a positive A-hole and Jason dumps on me.

  445. Bitterlaw says:

    Speaking of Charles, I was listening to a BBC story this morning about Russia paying trolls. The plan if Hillary had won was to flood internet blogs and Twitter with posts that ended with RIP USA and RIP Democracy. Chuck should sue Russia for stealing his ideas.

  446. Wes says:

    Messy is posting DNC talking points:

    1) Bush actually won in 2000. The SUpreme Court merely prevented endless recounts. Had Nader not been on the ballot in FL and NH, Gore clearly would have won. However, sad as it may be, those are the breaks.

    2) NOthing regarding 9/11 would have been different under Gore. The attack still would have occurred. How Gore would have responded alone is unclear.

  447. Barrett says:

    Wes, I’m inclined to believe that Gore would have went solely after Afghanistan and not Iraq.

    However, the end result may still have been similar. Afghanistan would have destabilized, and Syria would have eventually had its civil war. ISIS (or something worse) would have formed and taken hold of regions of Syria and Iraq.

    Of course it’s all just speculation on my part. But I don’t think there was anyway to prevent what is going on today.

  448. Barrett says:

    Jason,

    I give Clinton credit for letting Bin Laden slip away.

    I give Bush credit for putting in place the intelligence to find the guy

    I give Robert J. O’Neill credit for shooting the bastard.

    Where does Obama’s credit lie? Good job on doing what was expect of you.

  449. Bitterlaw says:

    Gore would not have gone to war in Iraq or Afghanistan. He would declared war on global warming and welcomed Al Queda to attack coal plants and refineries outside the US.

  450. marc says:

    Trump has asked about 50 low level Obama appointee’s to stay in their jobs for the time being. Most focus on Homeland Security or the Dept of Defense.

  451. marc says:

    Trump establishes 600 member Beach-head teams to be deployed tomorrow

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2017/01/beachhead-teams-agenda-inauguration-day-233774

    At 12:01 p.m. Friday, Donald Trump’s aides will deploy a team of temporary political appointees into federal agencies to begin laying the groundwork for the president-elect’s agenda while his nominees await Senate confirmation, sources familiar with the plan told POLITICO.

  452. Wes says:

    I see no chance Gore would have attacked Iraq. He would have had no choice but to attack Afghanistan.

  453. NYCmike says:

    “But I don’t think there was anyway to prevent what is going on today.”

    -We will have to part ways on this statement, Barrett.

    The present situation is a direct result of decisions made by President Obama. Bush created a cl*sterf*ck, but by the end of 2008, there was relative stability in Iraq and the rest of the region (please take note of the key word “relative”).

    The simple fact is that once the United States (Obama) made the decision to leave, it was just a matter of the enemy waiting until we were gone, which is what happened. Then H*LL broke loose, and here we are.

  454. Wes says:

    Of course lost in the debate over whom to credit for getting bin Laden is that GWB, by keeping focus on Afghanistan rather than launching a wrongheaded assault on Iraq, could have gotten bin Laden himself.

    Apparently fiddling while Iraq burned as terrorists blithely murdered thousands was more important to GWB than taking out bin Laden though.

  455. Wes says:

    Of course, Mike, Bush could have avoided creating the CF and undermining American will to stay the course in the Middle East.

    That would have made too much sense.

  456. marc says:

    Trump’s team has long worried that career federal workers and President Barack Obama’s political appointees will seek to undermine the president-elect’s agenda. The transition sees the beachhead teams, named after the line of defense that the military constructs as it lands in enemy territory, as a check on existing agency officials.

    The transition team has also instructed the teams to begin collecting information and laying organizational groundwork so that Trump’s secretaries and undersecretaries can hit the ground running once they’re confirmed.

  457. NYCmike says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/18/cnn-airs-segment-saying-obama-admin-keep-power-trump-pence-blown-inauguration-day/

    -Here is that CNN story jason mentioned.

    I have to say this: The amount of $$$ spent on an Inauguration is obscene! I would rather spend $$ on, and have it shown live, how the President, after 4 or 8 years, peaceably removes them self from the place of power for their successor. That is the more powerful image to the un-democratic world, and since it not a party, the amount of people and $$$ spent would be less, I would think.

  458. DW says:

    Thinking about these chapter titles for my Atlas for each hour of election night coverage:

    07:00-08:00: Hour of Coronation
    08:00-09:00: Hour of Congratulation
    09:00-10:00: Hour of Concern
    10:00-11:00: Hour of Consternation
    11:00-12:00: Hour of Catastrophe
    12:00-01:00: Hour of Confusion
    01:00-02:00: Hour of Complaining
    02:00-03:00: Hour of Concession

    Here is my thinking for each:

    07:00-08:00: Hour of Coronation

    This opening hour was filled with jazzed coverage of Clinton breaking the glass ceiling, what went wrong with Trump who is already lashing out at his defeat, and the media reflecting on what the night means and where the country and the parties go from here.

    08:00-09:00: Hour of Congratulation

    This second hour began with Clinton well ahead in FL, NC and FL. Concerns about VA were correctly set aside due to northern VA not reporting. This optimism launched the media into congratulatory remarks about Clinton’s robust ground game, as well as comments about high placed Republicans who are gravely concerned. Almost unnoticed by many of the networks was the fact that by 8:30 Trump had taken a modest lead in FL. Those that did notice, waved it off expecting southeast FL to come through for Clinton. But as the hour of congratulations marched on, some started to see some warning signs as 9:00 approached.

    09:00-10:00: Hour of Concern

    The hour did not get off to a good start for Clinton. She was declared winner of NY immediately, but that was all. Shockingly, MN and WI were deemed too close to call by all the networks. At about the same time, Trump took the lead in OH and NC, shocking the media. Not long after the top of the hour, media analysts were openly saying that Trump was still in play and the election is not yet over. This concern only strengthened as the hour moved along and Trump’s lead in FL, NC and OH only grew. The media during this hour shifted the narrative as Trump’s path grew wider, and Clinton’s narrower.

    10:00-11:00: Hour of Consternation

    Although Clinton got CO, NM and VA during this hour, these results did not give the media any relief from the consternation over the numbers from NC and FL. Then OH went to Trump and by the close of the hour, most were in full-blown panic.

    11:00-12:00: Hour of Catastrophe

    During this hour the media and Clinton supporters just sat there and took catastrophe after catastrophe as the battleground states dropped into the Trump column. NC was called for Trump, then FL, UT, IA, and then the Fox News bombshell call of WI. It was over. Everyone knew it. Many knew in the previous hours it was over, but now crying supporters were leaving the Javits Center.

    12:00-01:00: Hour of Confusion

    Nothing much happened during this hour. Some networks called NV for Clinton, but mostly this hour was networks analyzing what went wrong for Clinton, and the reports from the Javits Center was that the supporters there were confused because the Clinton campaign leadership went dark and no longer provided updates. Then Trump took the lead in PA and that lead grew throughout the hour, making all the more certain it was over but nobody knew what the Clinton campaign was thinking or doing.

    01:00-02:00: Hour of Complaining

    The media had time on its hands during this hour. Nothing was being called, but Trump’s leads were holding. So mostly during this hour the coverage was full of bitter complainers in the media, lashing out at voters, each other, Comey, Russia, or even Clinton’s lack of appeal or strategy.

    02:00-03:00: Hour of Concession

    The top of the hour started the end with Podesta’s strange speech, then the news that Trump was going to the Hilton to speak, followed by Clinton’s concession call and Trump’s Speech.

  459. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    I know your feelings about it.

    Personally, if a Republican had been elected in 2008, and had kept forces in Iraq, I think history would be VERY different.

    We will never know.

  460. NYCmike says:

    “Trump’s team has long worried that career federal workers”

    -Small change:

    “Republicans have long worried that career federal workers…….”

  461. DW says:

    475 – of course imagine the howling if Fox News ran a story like that in January 2009 speculating what Bush might be able to do if both Obama and Biden were wiped out.

  462. NYCmike says:

    DW,

    I would have been mad at Fox if they did something like that, so I can only imagine what the rest of the country would do.

  463. NYCmike says:

    s for your atlas, I see a Netflix pilot, and maybe a series out of that outline.

    You could call it “REALLY Breaking Bad!”

  464. Wes says:

    It was impossible, Mike.

    Americans wanted us out of Iraq and voted decisively for the candidate who promised to end our presence there.

    Bush did the damage and made continued interventionism impossible.

    No country can sustain a war after losing popular domestic support for it.

    For the U.S. to remain in Iraq was impossible once Bush spent years ignoring the situation on the ground.

  465. Cash Cow TM says:

    DW,

    I like your titles to the hourly evolution of the election night news coverage!

    You might dd another C word.

    Constipation.

    The left for the next 3 months (so far) have been all bound up and out of sorts due to their angst of HRC losing the election.

  466. DW says:

    CNN should be ashamed of themselves. But they aren’t. They are bitter clingers to their good ol’ days of being Obama sycophants.

  467. DW says:

    484 – lol…I tried to work that word in, but really it could have worked for any of the last four or five hours.

  468. Wes says:

    Regarding the Trump assassination conspiracy theory, Paul Ryan is second in line of succession.

    None of Obama’s appointees has any chance of ascending unless Ryan and Hatch take bullets too.

  469. marc says:

    NYCMike these Teams will insure that no federal worker can override a Republican agenda in these agencies. Almost 600 of them will spread across the different departments and agencies, along with out outpost in foreign capitals to make sure that at noon tomorrow the US govt is back under GOP governance.

  470. marc says:

    As the Senate confirms the Cabinet, they will then appoint the underlings who will serve under them.

  471. NYCmike says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/01/19/andrew-napolitano-attorney-general-loretta-lynch-and-parting-shot-at-personal-freedom.html

    -I need to read more about this. I was against the NSA being able to eavesdrop on everyone, because I think it diminishes their capabilities to catch bad people.

  472. Cash Cow TM says:

    Interesting article with a number of enlightening maps.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-obama-economic-legacy/

  473. DW says:

    25 hours to go.

  474. jason says:

    Al Gore would have convened a committee to render a recommendation on Afghanistan with a 6 month deadline.

    We should give thanks everyday that we elected GWB instead of an incompetent moron like Al Gore.

  475. jason says:

    GWB was the right man for the times. Had 9/11 happened under Al Gore we would have been screwed.

    I’ll admit most Americans didn’t know how crazy he was until much later, that is why he almost got elected.

  476. DW says:

    Al Gore is the type of leader who would get on a local community board and work toward establishing a speed limit getting input from all concerned, and end up with signs that said “Speed Limit 17.8”

  477. Wes says:

    In other words, Jason, we should give thanks we had one incompetent moron in office during 9/11 rather than another. Forgive me if I don’t give thanks for the Sophie’s Choice Bush and Gore gave us in 2000.

  478. Barrett says:

    #471 – Mike, I have to agree with you. Leaving Iraq early was a huge mistake on Obama’s part, I have to agree with you on that.

    The point I was trying to make is that the region would have destabilized regardless of whatever action (or inaction) Gore would have taken.

    To Bitter’s point in #467 – Like I said, just my speculation. Gore may have avoided retaliation altogether and continued his crazed obsession with climate change. It is entirely possible.

  479. lisab says:

    i disagree with jason on obamacare

    before obamacare, poor people were regulated to free clinics and emergency room care,

    while the middle class generally could afford to go to their doctors if they were slightly ill, like a cold

    if obama wanted to transfer wealth from the middle class to the poor — which i think was his goal — he has allowed poor people to get the same health care policies as a middle class family — even if the poor family is 100% on welfare

    plus, the poor family does not face deductibles or copays, so they actually get to visit their doctors now, in the fancy hospitals

    whereas, middle class people now face huge deductibles and large copays, so they are now forced to go to free clinics for things like colds.

    AND

    it is all being paid by huge health care bills paid by middle class families … who can no longer afford to go to their doctors except if they are seriously ill

    if obama’s goal was to gut the middle class and transfer a bunch of wealth to the poor

    he has done an excellent job

  480. DW says:

    1 day to go. 24 hours.

  481. lisab says:

    same with global climate change organizations

    under obama they have grown fantastically in power

    while west virginia coal mines are shutting down

    if that was his goal, and i think it clearly was obama’s goal, he has done a great job

  482. DW says:

    501 – it illustrates what Rush Limbaugh meant when in 2009 he said he hoped Obama failed as president. He was lambasted for such a horrible sentiment, but he was right. If Obama succeeded, then America is badly damaged.

  483. jason says:

    Sophie’s Choice Bush and Gore gave us in 2000.”

    I saw it as a different choice myself.

    On one side was GWB, Yale and Harvard graduate, fighter pilot, successful businessman, a conservative, two term governor of the 3rd largest state with a huge approval rating re-elected with 70% of the vote including 40% of Hispanics and 27% of AA’s, son of a former President, grandson of a former Senator.

    On the other hand was Al Gore, career politician, a megalomaniacal arrogant liberal, the man who claimed to have invented the Internet, been the model for Love Story, discovered Love Canal, been shot at in Vietnam, had a Union song that hadn’t been written yet sung to him as a kid, tobacco farmer who railed against tobacco companies.. in other words a compulsive liar.

    Nah, it wasn’t a hard choice.

  484. jason says:

    if obama’s goal was to gut the middle class and transfer a bunch of wealth to the poor”

    Ok, put it like that, yeah, he was successful.

    However, the poor did not really benefit, they are still poor and government dependent and locked into poverty. Which is what the Dems want.

  485. lisab says:

    “If Obama succeeded, then America is badly damaged.”

    white middle-class america

    not all of america

    the mistake is thinking that obama’s goal is that everyone gets a good job and buys a nice house in the suburbs

  486. lisab says:

    “they are still poor and government dependent and locked into poverty. Which is what the Dems want.”

    sooooooo … if that is what they want

    how was obama not successful again?

  487. DW says:

    Michael Savage back when Obama got started called it “Trickle-Up Poverty” and that is exactly the Obama legacy.

  488. lisab says:

    i’ll give an example.

    history books from fifty years ago touted “american exceptional-ism”,

    the idea that down trodden immigrants came to this country to escape totalitarian regimes, worked hard, and made a better life for themselves or at least the second and third generations

    “they voted with their feet” was a common phrase used

    that idea is now almost completely rejected by modern historians in the usa.

    the immigrants are now seen as people who were economic refugees, that did not want to come in many cases, returned to their first country in many cases, and in fact did not choose to come to only the usa — they went to many countries.

    also, today, national borders and ideas such as patriotism are breaking down and being replaced by transnational corporations. exxon has a bigger “gdp” than something like 135 countries

    that is just one more reason they hate trump and putin and anyone who sees countries as actual places to be proud of or to have allegiance to

    (note that i don’t subscribe to these ideas, but that is actually how they view the world. border-less and led by an intellectual elite — of which you are not)

  489. Wes says:

    Jason posts Bush was some kind of superqualified presidential candidate because GWB graduated from Yale and flew planes over Texas.

    Oh, wow!

    Color me unimpressed two things that have absolutely nothing to do with running a country cause Jason to have a stiffy and blow his load whenever GWB is mentioned.

    He was an idiot and a colossal failure as President who was honestly too lazy, stupid, and incompetent.

    Meanwhile, Jason despises Bill Clinton–a man who rose from relative poverty to become a Rhodes scholar and multitime successful Governor of his home state before serving two reasonably successful terms as President.

    Given the thinness of Bush’s prepresidential resume, I’m not surprised Jason has to highlight a host of irrelevancies to justify his uncritical worship of an idiot’s presidency.

  490. Cash Cow TM says:

    jason,

    the nugget you posted from the WaPo was a nice morsel.

    Good
    For
    You

  491. lisab says:

    wes,

    on paper gwb and especially ghwb were qualified to be president.

    gwb made one colossal mistake, he invaded iraq. he had reasons, and actually they somewhat made sense on paper

    but it actually required a level of competence and foresight that he did not possess and of course any chance of stabilizing the region vanished with obama’s election

  492. lisab says:

    on paper … al gore would have also been a good president

    he was just boring as watching paint dry

  493. Wes says:

    Using Jason’s criteria for presidential qualifications, Jimmy Carter was the most qualified man for the White House of the past half century.

    How’d that work out?

    About as well as GWB–that is, not well at all.

  494. jason says:

    eanwhile, Jason despises Bill Clinton–a man who rose from relative poverty to become a Rhodes scholar and multitime successful Governor of his home state before serving two reasonably successful terms as President”

    Reasonably successful?

    LOL

    He was impeached and disbarred.

    He actually lost re-election for Governor once, not to mention governor of Arkansas and Texas there is a huge difference. And he only became President because only dregs of the Dem party ran against GHWB because he had 80% approval. Later he tanked but even so he would have won if not for dirty politics by the special prosecutor.

    Bill Clinton was a colossal failure as President, a man who had no respect for the office and it showed.

    An amoral scumbag.

    Please don’t compare GWB, an honorable man, to Bill Clinton.

  495. jason says:

    The President with the best resume in American politics in the 20th Century was GHWB.

    War hero, businessman, Congressman, Ambassador, CIA, Vice-President for 8 years, you name it, he had it all.

  496. jason says:

    eanwhile, Jason despises Bill Clinton–a man who rose from relative poverty to become a Rhodes scholar and multitime successful Governor of his home state before serving two reasonably successful terms as President”

    It certainly was a lot better resume than Obama’s or Bill Clinton’s.

  497. jason says:

    Wrong quote above, should have read

    “Given the thinness of Bush’s prepresidential resume”

  498. Wes says:

    He presided over a five-year economic expansion (aided significantly by a GOP Congress), helped end the Kosovo war, and signed legislation significantly reforming welfare and establishing the Roth IRA while cutting investment taxes.

    He beat impeachment and became the first President to lead his party to increased numbers in either house of Congress since Teddy Roosevelt.

    Clinton also left office with a staggering 65% approval rating.

    Meanwhile GWB failed utterly in Iraq, spent years ignoring rampant terrorist attacks in Iraq, decimated Republicans on the congressional level, and left office with a 33% approval rating, seeing all his efforts in Iraq negated because of his own failure and stupidity.

    Jason considers Bush to be a political god and thinks Clinton failed.

    Jason is clearly a fanboy of actual failure in the White House.

  499. Wes says:

    Jason thinks a great resume is being lucky enough to be born into a rich family, flying planes over Texas, and going to Yale.

    Golf claps are in order for the shiny objects Jason finds to be fascinating.

  500. Wes says:

    GWB lied the country into war and spent years ignoring the deaths of thousands, yet Bill Clinton is the amoral scumbag.

    How many people died because Bill Clinton lied about Monica Lewinsky, JAson? How many died because GWB lied about the nonexistent Iraqi WMDs and ignored the situation for years?

  501. Mr.Vito says:

    Rising from poverty is not a qualification for being president… especially when it’s done by swindling people, living off taxpayers, preying on people, and being on the take.

    Being a Rhodes scholar isn’t either…

    But at least he was Governor in his spare time while raping women in his office.

  502. Mr.Vito says:

    He also never got a majority of the popular vote, so he wasn’t all that.

  503. Barrett says:

    I have to agree with Wes in #20.

    Sex scandals in the oval office are 100% inconsequential and moot when compared to decisions (the Iraq war) that costs the lives of thousands of our bravest.

  504. Barrett says:

    Trump will probably demonstrate more leadership than GWB. Just saying.

  505. Mr.Vito says:

    Making indecisions that costs thousands of lives are equally concerning… that’s the weight of being US president.

  506. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes admires Clinton’s charisma. At least Wes only preys upon emotionally damaged women but does not rape them.

  507. Wes says:

    Thanks, Bitter…I think.

  508. DW says:

    529 – Bitter, that is the story I have been posting about here for the last several days.
    It made local news here because of a tie to VA Beach. The guy broke into the house during the moment the family had the front door open as they were coming/going. He tied the family up and then slit all their throats, including two little girls, but not enough to kill them all, so he beat them all on their heads with a hammer until they stopped moving.

    Then after he was arrested he admitted to having previously slaughtered a different family.

    It is criminal that it took 11 years for the death penalty. Lethal injection was too humane for this animal. If the death penalty is going to be a deterrent at all, it needs to be swift. A couple weeks after the arrest, get the trial done in a week, then immediately to the gallows.

  509. DW says:

    and then there is the irony of this local headline today:

    Police: Beach man breaks into eight homes after getting released from jail.

  510. jason says:

    Actually, if Bill Clinton had been competent and killed Bin Laden when he had the means and the opportunity, 9/11 would not have happened.

    But wes is a Clinton sycophant and has Bush derangement syndrome, facts don’t matter.

  511. wvally says:

    http://thehill.com/policy/finance/314991-trump-team-prepares-dramatic-cuts

    The departments of Commerce and Energy would see major reductions in funding, with programs under their jurisdiction either being eliminated or transferred to other agencies. The departments of Transportation, Justice and State would see significant cuts and program eliminations.

    The Corporation for Public Broadcasting would be privatized, while the National Endowment for the Arts and National Endowment for the Humanities would be eliminated entirely.

    Overall, the blueprint being used by Trump’s team would reduce federal spending by $10.5 trillion over 10 years.

  512. wvally says:

    Looks like I posted the same article as Albert :/

  513. NYCmike says:

    “Looks like I posted the same article as Albert :/”

    wvally,

    When you wrote this, I thought you were speaking about the Twitter link…..

  514. NYCmike says:

    Cutler and his wife obviously have a sense of humor.

    I will go on record as saying “If the JETS need a QB, and can get him for relatively nothing, I would look for Cutlet to be here in NY/NJ next year. He will most likely be an improvement over what we have.”

    There, I said it!

  515. NYCmike says:

    “Where is Corey?”

    -Depends on which calendar we are using under Trump, since I am sure Trump, with his MASSIVE EGO since he is such a despicable individual, will look to change the calendar.

    Sorry about that, now that I said I would take Cutlet as QB, I can’t help but write mean things about President-elect Trump.

  516. jason says:

    Had not the supreme court given the presidency to Bush,”

    Actually, they didn’t hand anyone the Presidency.

    Bush won and the results were certified in FL.

    What SCOTUS did was stop an illegal recount in selected counties requested by Gore, where he thought he could pick up more votes because he won those counties.

    Several studies, however, have shown that under most recount scenarios and ballot standards Bush would have prevailed anyway, including under the recount Gore requested.

  517. jason says:

    Cutlet?

    I am partial to veal cutlets. And pork. And llama.

  518. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump, with his MASSIVE EGO since he is such a despicable individual

    NYC – Trump does have a massive ego. Trump is a despicable individual. Trump will be President tomorrow. All three can be true.

  519. NYCmike says:

    Will he change our present-day calendar, like the BOSS that he is?

  520. NYCmike says:

    A big EGO in a person who ran for President?

    I am SHOCKED!

  521. NYCmike says:

    Leggo my Ego!

  522. NYCmike says:

    https://spectator.org/saul-alinsky-leaves-the-white-house/

    -Hannity mentioned Saul Alinsky on a nightly basis back in 2008, before the election.

    For a buffoon, he pegged Obama from the start.

  523. DW says:

    I have a new candidate for the most obnoxious election night commenter…NBC’s Richard Engel. He came on for an interview after 1:30 and was dripping with condescension, anger, and saying it is the end of our country, the end of our influence in the world, that without a doubt Russia stole the election for Trump…on and on he went, making even Susannah Guthrie look troubled, and even Lester Holt tried to jump in and call him out for his speculative comments, but he jumped right back saying it wasn’t.
    He ended with a bitter complaint about the worldwide trend of fringe candidates being able to appeal directly to the people and winning elections.

    Wow, times are tough. The people are in the way of globalist progress. These sanctimonious know-it-alls are something else. To think it has come to this, where candidates can now appeal to the people who elect them. What is the world coming to?

  524. Mr.Vito says:

    I have said repeatedly he was the worst… he also clearly was hinting at the fake news dossier.

  525. lisab says:

    the corporation for PUBLIC broadcasting would be privatized?!

    ummmmmmmm … you keep using that word. i don’t think that word means what you think it means.

  526. lisab says:

    the national endowment for the arts and humanities would be eliminated?

    is that wise?

    what have you got against big bird and aristotle?

  527. messy says:

    514. Bill Clinton was aquitted of all charges on the impeachment matter. Henry Hyde had stated that the Impeachment was primarily revenge for what happened to Nixon in 1974.

    As to the guys who are saying that most of the polls were “fake” or wrong, remember, almost all of them were within the margin of error, which had Hillary two or three points ahead. and guess what? She WAS!!!!!

  528. Bitterlaw says:

    Big Bird is on HBO. Aristotle was rude to Walt.

  529. Bitterlaw says:

    Bill Clinton was aquitted of all charges on the impeachment matter

    Zzzzzzzzzzz. Would you invite Bill to hang out with your wife? Would you hire him to be your lawyer? Oh. You can’t. He does not have a license anymore.

  530. lisab says:

    not everyone can afford hbo

    thus PUBLIC broadcasting

  531. Bitterlaw says:

    lisab – Have you ever bought a Sesame Street toy or clothes? Trust me. They don’t need public funding. Give the channels to some private companies and let the shows fight for funding from private entities. Let them fight it out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipsPgNEmAXI

  532. NYCmike says:

    “thus” nothing!

    I choose NOT to pay for HBO, along with many other programs because I can’t afford it, along with setting aside $$ for retirement, health and life insurance, college for my son, etc.

    I don’t need my tax $$ paying for Big Bird, when the people who like Sesame Street and/or advertisers can do that without my $$.

  533. Bitterlaw says:

    I pay for movie channels that I almost never watch just in case I might decide to watch them.

  534. DW says:

    Ricky Gray’s lawyers now disturbed that their client might have suffered during his execution:

    http://pilotonline.com/news/government/virginia/ricky-gray-s-lawyers-say-his-execution-may-have-violated/article_534d837a-53ba-59d2-9e64-36736a0be52e.html

    “The lawyers for Ricky Gray say there is “grave concern” that the procedure used to execute him Wednesday night violated the U.S. Constitution by causing him pain and suffering.”

    “Gray’s lawyers said his ‘labored breathing, gasping, snoring, and other audible and visible activity observers described last night, were reactions explained by the VDOC’s experts at a Jan. 3 hearing as evidence of an inmate suffocating from respiratory depression.'”

    Do these lawyers have any compassion for two little girls who saw their parents bound up and killed and the terror they felt as Gray sliced their throats open and with blood pouring out, the last conscious thing they saw was him hitting their heads with a hammer?

  535. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    561. “Do these lawyers have any compassion…”

    This is not about compassion, this is about making money. The lawyers are appointed by the state to represent the indigent murders; they bill by the hour. They will do everything possible to run up their tab.

  536. messy says:

    555. How do you know I haven’t? I’ve met him more times then you have either Bush, I’ll wager.

  537. DW says:

    562 – I get it that lawyers are in it for the money…but given that fact, there are times you want to avoid bad publicity so you can continue to make money. Now I realize that public defenders are on the public payroll, but if they ever lost that arrangement and setup shop for themselves, not sure they want to be remembered as the guy who worried about the breathing problems of the man being executed for slaughtering two little girls with a knife and a hammer.

    He could have just walked away and moved on to his next case.

  538. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    564. Shedding tears for executed murders is a form of virtue signaling for these type of attorneys. Public defenders are often seeking to move on to more lucrative work in the private sector, and this type of notary might help their career prospects. Criminal defense attorneys focus on their clients, not the victims.

  539. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    565. Meant “notoriety” not “notary.”

  540. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    564. If you were accused of a crime, particularly if it involved negative publicity, you would want the toughest son of a b—- out there. Not a criminal attorney noted for his compassion for victims.

  541. lisab says:

    and as a society we should not want people to suffer either

    and

    i would argue we should not be killing him at all if he can safely be kept in prison.

  542. DW says:

    569 – I would argue he should have been executed ten years earlier, both to help his execution be a deterrent, and to save taxpayers paying to feed, clothe, and shelter him all these years.

  543. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “i would argue we should not be killing him at all if he can safely be kept in prison.”

    He was a brutal murderer. He deserved to die; society has the right to punish criminals, and execute them when they murder. Why keep the scumbag alive?

  544. DW says:

    lisab…go to this web page

    http://pilotonline.com/

    and look at the picture on the right side, and study the faces of those two little girls shown there.

  545. DW says:

    Ricky Gray was so bad even Democrat Governor Terry McAwful would not stop the execution, even though McAwful doesn’t have to run for re-election.

  546. Bitterlaw says:

    561 Zzzzzzzzzz. What was the sound those girls made with their throats slit?

  547. lisab says:

    if he was a cult leader or someone with followers like bin laden who would certainly take hostages and kill people if bin laden was not released, something like that,

    then i can see the need to execute him

    but otherwise, a cage works

  548. lisab says:

    also, just as a question of policy

    i think it is excellent that it is very difficult for the state to kill a citizen.

    11 years basically means that at least two and probably three administrations have to agree the guy should die

  549. Walt says:

    The 95 year old father of one of our church members passed away. Funeral today and reception help afterwards at our church.

    I was there helping serve food, iced tea, coffee, etc. One older friend of the deceased man’s family was there going through the food line.
    **********************************

    HE CALLED ME “YOUNG MAN”!!!!

    Take that, all you Hoggers who denigrate me because of my age.

  550. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “if he was a cult leader or someone with followers like bin laden who would certainly take hostages and kill people if bin laden was not released, something like that,”

    He is being executed for the brutal murder, not because of any group he belonged to. We have equal rights in this county, all those commit murder have an equal right to be executed. We take pride in our fairness.

  551. lisab says:

    “He is being executed for the brutal murder, not because of any group he belonged to.”

    the state should protect its citizens using the least severe punishments possible.

    in the case of a bin laden, where locking him up as a prisoner would increase attacks on innocent people,

    the only way to protect society is two in the head.

    (sorry binny … you had to be put down)

  552. lisab says:

    one thing i notice is that you seem to be very concerned that the murderer

    “get’s what he deserved”

    or

    “that justice gets done”

    but he didn’t get what he deserved and justice was not done because the girls are still dead.

    my concern as a free citizen is that on principle, the state, and i mean that as our government at any level, should not be able to deprive anyone of life, especially a citizen, easily or quickly and in fact should under most circumstances not be able to do that at all unless it is absolutely necessary to protect the rest of society.

    he was in a cage for life. that works for me.

  553. lisab says:

    my reluctance to sanction the death penalty in almost all cases, has nothing to do with my concern that the murderer not feel pain or discomfort

    but rather my concern that human nature is so frail, so open to temptation, and so apt to give into it, that those in power are likely to pass and enforce laws differentially in favor of those they support rather than in accordance to the law

    which of course is especially problematic with the death penalty, which can not be undone once administered.

    if a convict is later found to have been unjustly sentenced through incompetence or malfeasance, they can always be let out of a cage, they cannot be brought back to life.

  554. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “he was in a cage for life. that works for me.”

    Its interesting that you consider keeping him in a cage the more humane approach; yet animal rights activists consider keeping animals in cages at zoos to be inhumane.

  555. lisab says:

    i have not argued that the death penalty is inhumane, because i think humans kill both people and animals all the time.

  556. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    583. Humans are awful, as Pat Sajak once said:

    “The world would be such a wonderful place without human beings. Just animals breathing clean air & eating each other.”

  557. Cash Cow TM says:

    LMAO…

    President Obama Job Approval
    Pew Research
    Approve 55, Disapprove 40
    Approve +15

    President Obama Job Approval
    Gallup
    Approve 58, Disapprove 38
    Approve +20

    Wednesday, January 18
    President Obama Job Approval
    ABC News/Wash Post
    Approve 60, Disapprove 38
    Approve +22

    President Obama Job Approval
    CBS News
    Approve 62, Disapprove 36
    Approve +26

    President Obama Job Approval
    CNN/ORC
    Approve 60, Disapprove 39
    Approve +21

    President Obama Job Approval
    Reuters/Ipsos
    Approve 56, Disapprove 41
    Approve +15

    President Obama Job Approval
    Economist/YouGov
    Approve 54, Disapprove 42
    Approve +12
    __________________________________
    Such high J/A ratings now…
    from a guy who held office for 8 years and after late June, 2009 RAS had his daily J/A numbers underwater and negative almost always, and much of that in big double digit negative numbers.

    From June,2009 through election day November, 2016 RAS has BHO in positive J/A for maybe 8 days of those 2500 days.

    8 DAYS!
    ######################################

  558. lisab says:

    #584 taylor swift said it slightly less elegantly if no less accurately when she said,

    “it is unreasonable for men to be judges in their own cases, because self- love will bias men in favour of themselves and their friends. and on the other side, hostility, passion and revenge will lead them to punish others too severely. so nothing but confusion and disorder will follow, and that is why god has—as he certainly has—established government to restrain the partiality and violence of men.”

  559. Cash Cow TM says:

    Obama J/A on the economy:

    038–polls where Obama had POSITIVE J/A number
    017–polls where the J/A was 0 (not a+ or – #)
    487–polls where BHO J/A rating was a NEGATIVE #

    Some of the 38 positives were laughable compared to others about the same time.

    Who had unusual positive result polls?
    –CNN
    –CBS
    –ABC
    –NPR and
    –AP

  560. lisab says:

    Cash Cow,

    i would estimate less than 33% of the nation are conservatives

    the 40%+ of people who are democrats love obama

    the 27% other people are pretty split on obama

    give him half of the “other” and he naturally will have 40% + 13.5% and that is 53.5% just about what the poll says.

  561. jason says:

    I hope he suffered a lot during his execution.

  562. lisab says:

    give trump say 30 of the 33% of conservatives, because some conservatives hate him

    and half the “others”

    and he has 30% + 13.5% = 43.5%

    which is about what dave’s polls said

  563. jason says:

    i would estimate less than 33% of the nation are conservative”

    Actually conservatives are about 36-40%….Gallup has it at 36%

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/180452/liberals-record-trail-conservatives.aspx

  564. jason says:

    And of course not all 40% of Democrats love Obama…I know several Democrats who think he is a tool of Wall Street.

    Probably about 85% would be closer to the truth.

    I doubt Obama’s popularity is anywhere close to 55%.

  565. jason says:

    31% of Americans are seriously deluded. 12% are certifiably nuts.

    “A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that nearly half (48%) of all Likely U.S. Voters believe most reporters are biased against the president-elect. Only 12% think they are biased for Trump, while 31% feel most reporters try to be fair and balanced”

  566. Wes says:

    Basically LisaB isn’t too concerned with the fates of the victims but is 100% concerned about the welfare of the murderers.

    I think we should institute medieval tortures as means of killing murderers.

    Everything from the blood eagle to the brazen bull should be an option for these monsters.

    It’s simply an abomination people such as LisaB and Jay Inslee are absolutely committed to preserving the lives of killers but not really all that worried about the lives of the victims.

  567. lisab says:

    “And of course not all 40% of Democrats love Obama”

    true, but they are almost all united in support

    not because they all love him

    but because they realize the cost of not being united from 2000 and 2016

  568. Mr.Vito says:

    Which side are the ‘mediocre negroes’ on?

    They love Trump.

  569. lisab says:

    “Basically LisaB isn’t too concerned with the fates of the victims but is 100% concerned about the welfare of the murderers.”

    which is exactly what i did NOT say

  570. Wes says:

    Obama probably is realistically at 55%.

    His sycophantic worshippers in the black community count for almost 12% of the population. Factor in after that Democrats, liberals, and those disillusioned with Hillary and Trump during the presidential campaign along with announcements about jobs staying here. (Though Trump is taking credit for the last, Obama is still President, meaning he shares some credit.)

    All of that can easily add up to 55%.

  571. lisab says:

    “Which side are the ‘mediocre negroes’ on”

    trump’s of course

    although i am surprised they called them “mediocre”

    not “failed” or “traitorous”

  572. Mr.Vito says:

    Cool. Steve Harvey, Jim Brown, and MLK3 are on Trump’s side now. Dr. Carson has a posse.

  573. lisab says:

    isn’t Steve Harvey a minister or something similar?

  574. Tina says:

    Way to go senator isackson. You slammed senator snl aka dumb arse.

  575. ??? says:

    ???????????????????

    ?????????

    ?????

    http://www.wwaab.com/?ic=linhui

    ???????????????

  576. jason says:

    Obama was around 40% for a long period. Maybe there is some good will now that he is leaving, but I don’t believe 55%. Certainly not 60%.

  577. NYCmike says:

    I guess you could say Trump is grabbing the “mediocre negroes” “by the posse”!

  578. NYCmike says:

    “Way to go senator isackson. You slammed senator snl aka dumb arse.”

    -Que?

  579. jason says:

    Trump says I am a fantastic person?

    Maybe I was wrong about him.

    “And we actually do have some Never Trumpers that are fantastic people. They just didn’t understand me.”

  580. NYCmike says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH-0sMIOAZ0

    -I hope we act better tomorrow than these people did in 2009.

  581. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “…some Never Trumpers that are fantastic people. They just didn’t understand me.”

    No kidding. Can almost feel the shift in power taking place tonight. It will be so nice not to have leftists running the country.

  582. NYCmike says:

    Tomorrow, at noon, Trump will turn into a “liberal Democrat”.

    Just for old times sake, jason…

  583. NYCmike says:

    To be honest, I am worried about that. His daughter better not get too entrenched with the paid family leave time and all of that stu ff.

  584. DW says:

    I guess lisab didn’t click the link and look into the faces of those little girls.

  585. Bitterlaw says:

    As I said before, I only wanted to stop Hillary. If Trump goes bac to being a Dem, they ca have him in 2020 and the GOP can nominate a Republican.

  586. jason says:

    lisab is typical of socialists…. all the sympathy is for the perpetrators, the hell with the victims.

  587. jason says:

    Tomorrow, at noon, Trump will turn into a “liberal Democrat”.

    Back to his origins, huh?

  588. Bitterlaw says:

    DW – lisab wanted that killer to live because he would be “in a cage” away from society. Did executing him bring his victims back? Of course not. At least he will never again enjoy anything or breathe again. A good day for al of us.

  589. lisab says:

    i have no sympathy for the killer

    and i have seen the little girls

    which

    in no way means that the state should be given the right to quickly and easily kill its citizens

  590. lisab says:

    “At least he will never again enjoy anything or breathe again.”

    i have no desire to harm anyone

    but there are people who have proven themselves so dangerous they cannot be allowed to walk free.

    which is unfortunate

  591. Mr.Vito says:

    Gray said ‘remorse is not a deep enough word’ for how he feels.

    ‘I’ve stolen Christmas, birthdays, and Easters, Thanksgivings, graduations, and weddings, children. There’s nothing I can do to make up for that,’ Gray said.

    He added: ‘I’m sorry they had to be a victim of my despair.’

    ……………………….

    I hope he was sincere, and I hope he found the peace he was missing when he did what he did. He clearly was ready to accept the consequence of his actions.

    I can understand Wes’ position, since we live and then it’s done, and if we do evil, we might as well be put into the ground sooner than later, since judgment is on earth alone.

    I am not generally for the death penalty myself, since I do not want to send someone to their eternal judgment without giving them a chance to be forgiven and repent (which does not relieve them of suffering the earthly consequence). This man was given plenty of time and reflection… so although I would not want to administer the drugs, I would not stand in the way of the state putting him down after a decade of exhausting appeals.

  592. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Obama’s biggest whoppers…”

    I wonder if Mrs. BHO has big whoppers??
    I think Mrs. DJT’s whoppers are bigger.

  593. Cash Cow TM says:

    Should Dylan Roof get the death penalty?

    Almost all of the cows in the barnyard say yes.

  594. lisab says:

    “so although I would not want to administer the drugs, I would not stand in the way of the state putting him down after a decade of exhausting appeals.”

    i see no difference between administering the chemicals yourself and paying someone to administer them for you

  595. Mr.Vito says:

    I think he will likely eventually die at the hand of the state unless he is deemed mentally unfit at some point.

  596. Mr.Vito says:

    “i see no difference between administering the chemicals yourself and paying someone to administer them for you”

    I do… tough… see how that works?

  597. lisab says:

    “Almost all of the cows in the barnyard say yes.”

    well they are on death row too, misery loves company

  598. lisab says:

    “I do… tough…”

    so didn’t pilate

  599. Mr.Vito says:

    Pilate ordered people to be killed, and they wouldn’t be without his direct word alone.

    Stretch.

  600. Mr.Vito says:

    Nonetheless I bear partial responsibility for putting Jesus to death along with Pilate in my beliefs… just as I take partial responsibility for putting this man to death.

  601. Trump says:

    If the state did not have the ultimate power to put a criminal to death, it could not execute any laws.

  602. Trump says:

    Death penalty is the most efficient form of justice.

  603. Trump says:

    Some people just need killing.

  604. Trump says:

    If there was no death penalty, a criminal would just keep walking out of jail. By force if necessary. Until you killed and stopped him.

  605. Trump says:

    An unjust society either kills randomly, or does not puts deserving criminals to deat

    A just society has the power to execute its criminals after due process.

  606. Cash Cow TM says:

    Speaking of DJT…

    In less than 24 hours he will be sworn in as POTUS.

    Will if just wind up being a new head clown in the ame circus?

    Will the D.C. fuster still remain clucked?
    ___________________________________________
    The moonbat Dems in congress are girding for 4 years of war and fighting everything proposed

    The liberal street demonstration moonbats are very determined and organized to to tilt at all the Trump windmills.
    (I have seen paid TV ads by “NewGeneration Energy…” or some such group urging everyone to call their senator and demand they reject the appointment of this or that CJT nominee for key posts. I have seen a very organized social media campaign to get likewise community organize against these same nominees as well as others like the Sec. of Ed.

    Many otherwise normal women I know are very distraught almost to hysteria about what they fear that DJT as president will do.

    The press will double down to blow DJT up and find or make up scandals and get even with the DJT who tweeks their noses.

    The Hollywood crowd vehemently hates DJT and you will see that in what comes out of that bunch.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I theorize we may see some improvement in:

    –fighting the whackadoodles…
    –having a sane energy policy (although not without a fight from the crazies)
    –better relations with other countries
    –better economy
    –more jobs
    –strengthening of U.S. military
    Any Others?
    ___________________
    Less sure about actually seeing progress in:
    –improved race relations
    –stemming illegal aliens flood
    –health care
    –crime (although it may edge down as the economy improves)
    –more fair and balanced press (89% of them are STILL liberals who hate conservative opinions and views)
    –right sizing the federal bureaucracy (bureaucracies everywhere are super entrenched and fight like chazy to resist change)
    –balanced budget

    We now face another 4 years of another naive political novice with no/almost no government experience to go along with the 8 we years we just experienced.

    I hope we can have a united country that will pull together to find common ground to solve a boatload of very pressing critical problems.

    Just do not think DJT is the great uniter.
    Hope I am wrong but fear I am right.

    There sure won’t be any 6 months honeymoon like most presidents get…

    I predict another 4 years of rocky turmoil.
    I have bought a big cow seatbelt.
    I am stockpiling hay.

    I may have to drink my own milk.

  607. jason says:

    I would have no trouble administering the drugs, pulling the trigger, whatever it took to rid society of this type of criminal.

    When I hear lawyers, death penalty opponents, bleeding heart liberals, etc. say, oh this guy has changed, he is now doing good things in prison, he has repented, he has become religious… my reaction is

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………

  608. jason says:

    Mr. Vito is better person than I am if it matters to him if such a person repented or showed remorse. I mean that sincerely, not being sarcastic.

    I realize that I might be missing an empathy gene.

  609. jason says:

    Some people just need killing.”

    It’s not original, but it’s true.

  610. Mr.Vito says:

    “…oh this guy has changed, he is now doing good things in prison, he has repented, he has become religious…”

    I agreed that these things should not absolve the person of the proper consequence. I still would not take it upon myself, and would ask for forgiveness if I did… in war, in self-defense, etc.

  611. Mr.Vito says:

    Likely, he did not give his victims the same chance to reflect on their lives before meeting their maker.

  612. lisab says:

    if you believe the death penalty is ethically or morally justified in this case, i can understand and respect that, even if i do not agree

    if believe the death penalty is not ethically or morally justified in this case, i can understand and respect that, and i would agree

    of course i do understand it makes it easier on most people’s consciences to pay a third party to end a person’s life, but i see that as a problem, not a good thing.

    i would certainly support judges who impose the death penalty, and/or those who recommend it, to have to be there and at the least witness it if not administer it.

  613. lisab says:

    “If the state did not have the ultimate power to put a criminal to death, it could not execute any laws.”

    we had no death penalty for years

    we still had laws.

    most of western europe has no death penalty, they still have laws.

  614. lisab says:

    “If there was no death penalty, a criminal would just keep walking out of jail. By force if necessary. Until you killed and stopped him.”

    the death penalty is not the same thing as defending yourself.

    if a convict, or anyone, anywhere,

    comes at you with what you think is a violent intent

    by all means use the least possible force to stop them

    if that is a shotgun blast to the chest

    that is the attackers fault not yours.

  615. Mr.Vito says:

    I allow the state to punish criminals in accordance with the laws of the republic. I have the right to vote and lobby upon how the process is conducted. I have the right to conscientiously object to killing someone, and would if asked to do so… and I would recuse myself from death penalty cases. (Of course, it would not come to that since I would not seek to become a judge in criminal court.) I believe these are all good things and not problems.

  616. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    640. “i do understand it makes it easier on most people’s consciences to pay a third party to end a person’s life, but i see that as a problem, not a good thing.”

    I would have no problem putting a bullet through that murderer’s head, in fact would thoroughly enjoy it.

  617. Mr.Vito says:

    I would not enjoy it, nor do I enjoy when it happens… but the wages of sin are death.

    May God have mercy on us all.

  618. lisab says:

    644 i believe you

    you think it is ethically justified

    and thus have no qualms

  619. lisab says:

    thank you for the clarification

    “I allow the state to punish criminals in accordance with the laws of the republic.”

    as do i.

    “I have the right to vote and lobby upon how the process is conducted.”

    as do i and as i do

    “I have the right to conscientiously object to killing someone, and would if asked to do so… and I would recuse myself from death penalty cases.”

    which i understand

  620. Trump says:

    Death penalty is society defending itself.

  621. lisab says:

    “When I hear lawyers, death penalty opponents, bleeding heart liberals, etc. say, oh this guy has changed, he is now doing good things in prison, he has repented, he has become religious… my reaction is”

    well it could very well be true

    but again, that is not my objection to the death penalty at all — although i think can change.

    it is actually two-fold.

    the first i mentioned already. i think that it is two tempting for people in power to differentially enforce the laws to protect themselves and hurt their political enemies — as we saw under jim crow and very recently with hillary and secret documents. there is a sub-mariner in prison right now for sending a picture of himself on a sub to his family … and they were not russians

    the second, is a belief in the sanctity of human life when at all possible, without the probable harm to others.

  622. lisab says:

    “Death penalty is society defending itself.”

    just as i took the least possible force route first …

    running and screaming like a girl

    society can throw the murderer in a cage.

  623. The ole philosopher says:

    When they finally remove the color photos of Zero & Lynch where I work?

    I’ll have nothing to look forward to!

  624. Mr.Vito says:

    Welp… It’s inauguration day.

  625. lisab says:

    odds on something bad happening?

    (beyond the obvious)

  626. The ole philosopher says:

    I doan wanna work. I jus wanna beat on my drums all day!

    I used to post here. Now I r workin’ for Mr. Orange! Is exciting!

  627. lisab says:

    dems are idiots to protest BEFORE he has done anything

  628. Mr.Vito says:

    You work for Tim Roth?

  629. lisab says:

    we now have

    preemptive protests

  630. Cash Cow TM says:

    death penalty

    hen patty deal
    help natty Ed
    hated a plenty
    had plenty tea
    Len patted hay
    pay the dental

  631. Mr.Vito says:

    Whatever the reason, his heart or his shoes, O stood there on Trump-mass Eve, hating the Whos.

    Staring down from the White House, with a sour grinchy frown, at the warm lighted windows from balls in the town.

    For he knew every Who come from Flyover states, were waiting to usher him out through the gates.

    And they’re building that wall

    He snarled with a sneer

    Tomorrow is Trump-mass, it’s practically here!

    Then O growled with his grinch fingers nervously drumming:

    I must find some way to keep Trump-mass from coming!

    For tomorrow, I know, all those Who racist pricks, will wake bright and early with pitchforks and sticks, and then… Oh the picks! Oh the picks, picks, picks, picks! There’s one thing I hate: oh the picks, picks, picks, picks!

    And they’ll shriek squeaks and squeals, chasing out all my men! They’ll remove all my edicts by phone and the pen!

    They’ll blow off my treaties, they’ll slash regulations. They’ll kick out my cronies, they’ll bill for vacations!

    They’ll beat up my health care, they’ll ram reform through.

    And then they’ll make ear-splitting noises deluxe, while they toss out my legacy, giving no f*cks!

  632. Cash Cow TM says:

    List of things people debate that changes nobody’s mind:

    death penalty
    abortion
    veganism
    religion
    “Po TA to” or “Pa TAH to”
    Big Foot–real or not?
    Did south have a right to secede
    manmade glowbull warming
    DJT
    BHO
    HRC

  633. Cash Cow TM says:

    Very good parody poem, Mr. Vito-sahn.

  634. Cash Cow TM says:

    The ole philosopher

    the ole hip hop loser?

  635. Cash Cow TM says:

    fed foot B

    off to bed

  636. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Looks like Terry McAuliffe has other things to worry about, and might not have needed more controversy.

    http://www.roanoke.com/business/news/co-founded-by-mcauliffe-funded-with-foreign-money-greentech-missing/article_ca814c42-764f-5836-a1c0-2043f86c4b5a.html

  637. jason says:

    Have to work during the inauguration speech but will check in for the comments.

    To Geraldo’s credit, he is saying on Fox the Dem congressman holdouts are a bunch of a-holes, small a of courxe.

  638. Wes says:

    From what I’m reading, LisaB is convinced of the sanctity of murderers’ lives.

    It’s just too bad about the victims.

    They apparently have no right to life, but, hey, how dare the government execute the killers?

    It’s an outrage that a murderer should have his own life taken, I tell you!

    Liberalism at work.

    🙄

  639. Wes says:

    If I could become a state executioner, I would.

    I’d show up with the cliched black hood and headsman’s axe if allowed.

    Ridding the world of those scum and saving the taxpayers the bill for prolonging the lives of the absolute dregs of humanity would be a pleasure.

    Those who take it upon themselves to end others’ lives without justification should invariably forfeit their own.

  640. DW says:

    Three and a half hours.

  641. DW says:

    The death penalty is a just measure taken by society to punish crime. It is foolish to argue that it doesn’t do anything to bring the victim back to life. ALL of us are victims when two little girls have their throats slit and their heads beaten in with hammers. The people in that neighborhood of Richmond are still traumatized by it 11 years later.

  642. Phil says:

    The left’s temper tantrum continues. Of course, expect it to last four years.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  643. DW says:

    Homelessness returns to America today.

    Homelessness, poverty, urban violence, and a white house that won’t do anything to stop it.

  644. DW says:

    3 hours to go.

  645. Wes says:

    MSNBC needs to have the NYFD on standby to put out the fire in their studios once Matthews, O’Donnell, and Maddow burst into flames once Trump takes the Oath.

  646. Bitterlaw says:

    If you accept the argument that the death penalty should not be used because it won’t bring the victim back to life, you might as well get rid of prisons, too. They don’t bring victims back, either.

  647. Mr.Vito says:

    674 A ‘mediocre transgender’

  648. DW says:

    675 – I know people who lost everything to a Ponzi schemer. The criminal got a long federal prison sentence. Doesn’t mean the people’s money is coming back.

  649. Barrett says:

    No separate inauguration thread? Oh well….

    Congrats to President Trump.

  650. Mr.Vito says:

    Dave started mailing it in around October, Barrett.

  651. DW says:

    2 hours to go to end one of the greatest national nightmares our country has ever known.

  652. Bitterlaw says:

    The Wizard is a busy man. We must take what he gives us and like it, damn it.

  653. AlbertHodges says:

    No new thread? Tacky!

    Anyway, what a GREAT day for this country!

    Trump is going to be the best president of my lifetime!

    Making America Great Again!

  654. DW says:

    Guests and participants are now filing into place for the inauguration. Just saw Franklin Graham walk past.

  655. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is going to be the best president of my lifetime!

    Wait until he goes back to his pro-choice views. Judge him then.

  656. AlbertHodges says:

    Wait until he doesn’t. Then you judge him then.

    For Trump, he has decades of business experience. It is how he makes decisions.

    And good businessmen do not piss off the very ones who helped them build up their business.

  657. PresidentPaul! says:

    The RINOS aren’t taking it well.

    “The worst human being ever to enter the presidency, and I include all the slaveholders.” -David Frum

  658. Bitterlaw says:

    I would rank Trump as a better person than a slave owner. Pretty low bar.

  659. Trump says:

    Is there any channel that is not mindlessly pontificating about the need for Trump to bring the country together?

  660. DW says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004881180/watch-live-inauguration.html

    watch this … its just a feed of people milling about with no commentary at all

  661. DW says:

    I just saw one of my two worthless senators file in. Bernie Sanders just walked in too…along with McCain.

  662. PresidentPaul! says:

    Surviving the Trumpocalypse

    For the Diaper Pin crowd preparing for The Apocalypse: Matt Walsh with tips on staying underground, stocking up on Starbucks cards, and utilizing ‘mindful’ coloring books for adults. And don’t forget the gluten-free pita chips.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/surviving-trumpocalypse/

  663. DW says:

    689 – why don’t they pontificate about how 60 Dem house members needed to bring the country together by showing up?

  664. Wes says:

    Maybe you should get someone living in Comstock’s district try to convince her to challenge Kaine next year. DW.

  665. DW says:

    they are now chanting USA USA USA…

    …maybe next we can get another round of …

    LOCK HER UP, LOCK HER UP

  666. Big Joe says:

    Congratulations President Trump. I’ll say what I say every four years, what a great day to celebrate our Democracy. I may not agree ideologically with President but there is no better country nor system of government ever. That is what I celebrate today.

    Big Joe

  667. Phil says:

    Man, I don’t know about Trump, but thumbs up to the First Lady. What a babe!

  668. DW says:

    697 – when Trump’s daughters came in, the camera panned over to Bill Clinton. No comment necessary.

  669. DW says:

    Chuck Schumer droning on and on…I thought Trump won the election?

  670. Phil says:

    Yeah, what was the gibberish all about anyway?

  671. Tom says:

    I love hearing liberals give soaring patriotic speeches and then govern in a way that undermines the country in every way.

  672. Trump says:

    Here it comes

  673. Wes says:

    Trump is now officially President.

    This is surreal.

  674. Trump says:

    Tonight, I’ll review YouTube montage of all who insisted Trump will never be president.

    For a last hearty laugh at the confederacy of dunces.

    Then time to move on.

  675. Gil says:

    Thank God the nightmare is over.

  676. Phil says:

    ……and more importantly, a new First Lady. I approve!

  677. Bitterlaw says:

    The speech seems more like a campaign speech. At least Hillary is not giving it.

  678. Wes says:

    Trump is hitting all the right notes in his speech.

    I remain ambivalent about how effective he will be as President; however, I hope he succeeds and will praise him if he does.

  679. Bitterlaw says:

    I think he copied his election night speech.

  680. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Trump will make his own rules. He is speaking to the people directly and there will be no soaring rhetoric. I accept that. Good luck, Mr. President.

  681. Barrett says:

    Well there you have it…great speech so far.

  682. Bitterlaw says:

    He is basically telling Obama, “You suck. It’s my turn now.”

  683. Wes says:

    To her credit, Hillary was expressionless rather than scornful in that camera shot.

  684. Wes says:

    Has there been a report of a sanctimonious NeverTrump suicide in Chicago?

  685. Phil says:

    Yeah, libs all over America are being trolled in this inauguration speech. Liberal heads exploding all over America.

  686. wvally says:

    This must be mighty uncomfortable for the previous presidents…

  687. Trump says:

    When do the concentration camps start?

  688. Barrett says:

    As it should be. Every president in my life time (minus Reagan), I would argue to be a failed president.

  689. Bitterlaw says:

    I think I can hear MD screaming 20 miles from my office.

  690. Tom says:

    Unlike Obama, it wasn’t all about Trump.

  691. wvally says:

    Bill keeps getting snubbed. No handshake from GWB or Trump.

  692. wvally says:

    its tough being in the 2nd row!

  693. Bitterlaw says:

    I am not inclined to praise Trump. However, it was a speech unlike any other Inauguration speech I can recall. It was 100% Trump. Now we see how it all plays out.

  694. Tom says:

    Maybe Bill should make a donation to the Trump Foundation.

  695. DW says:

    media analysts throwing a fit because Trump dared insult all their heroic political liberals and their failed policies.

  696. DW says:

    He did give props to Obama for being great during the transition.

    But he made it clear he is the new sheriff in town.

  697. Phil says:

    CNN did not like the speech. Shocker.

  698. DW says:

    Obama headed to the helicopter…don’t let the door hit you.

  699. DW says:

    and the helicopter flies away. What freedoms we have left are safe again.

  700. Cash Cow TM says:

    Cash Cow is now firmly snuggled in her cow sized seat belt.
    Cow also has a helmet on.

    Both have 4 year warranties.

    cowabonga…

  701. Cash Cow TM says:

    So…what are the expectations on various key issues the nation faces?

    I posted my list last night of where I thought we may see good progress and where I fear little progress will be made.

    “fighting the whackadoodles…
    –having a sane energy policy (although not without a fight from the crazies)
    –better relations with other countries
    –better economy
    –more jobs
    –strengthening of U.S. military
    Any Others?
    ___________________
    Less sure about actually seeing progress in:
    –improved race relations
    –stemming illegal aliens flood
    –health care
    –crime (although it may edge down as the economy improves)
    –more fair and balanced press (89% of them are STILL liberals who hate conservative opinions and views)
    –right sizing the federal bureaucracy (bureaucracies everywhere are super entrenched and fight like chazy to resist change)
    –balanced budget
    ##########################################

  702. Cash Cow TM says:

    AND….

    What in the HHR peanut gallery’s opinion, have been Obama’s 3 or 4 accomplishments that made the nation better and what have been his 3 or 4 or 12 most abject failures in that regard?

    GO!

  703. DM says:

    715 – A sanctimonious NeverTrump suicide in Chicago? Try Pennsylvania. It’ll probably explain where MD went. I was gonna tell him to get a life after the election. But he got a death instead. Guess that works too.

  704. DW says:

    Obama accomplishments:

    1) His failed policies enabled the GOP to grab 66 flips in the 2010 house races.

    2) His failed policies enabled the GOP to gain control of the senate, no thanks to deadenders who threw away a few easy to win races.

  705. DW says:

    One of my kids asked a good question…in the few minutes after Pence was sworn in and before Trump was sworn in, does it mean Pence was Obama’s vice-president during those moments?

  706. DW says:

    oh and I guess CNN didn’t get its dream fulfilled of a double-assassination and Obama picking a staffer to be president.

  707. Cash Cow TM says:

    We should update and modernize the presidential and vice presidential oath of office.

    Current:

    “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

    NEW PROPOSED VERSION:

    I, ____, I do without a grin on my face and no fingers crossed behind my back say I will support and defend that 200 year old nebulous, ever evolving Constitution of the United States of America–created by our racist, misogynistic forefathers–against all whackadoodles, both those overseas and even from our own home boys……..yadda, yadda, yadda……………..

    so help me G…err..Yahw..errr…Alla…err…Great Spirit of Mother Earth.”

  708. Mr.Vito says:

    After Trump promised “to faithfully execute…”

    I wanted him to say ‘the terrorist bastards’.

    Bummer.

  709. wvally says:

    Obama giving ANOTHER speech!?

  710. Cash Cow TM says:

    DW,

    No doubt that without BHO as president we would not have such a huge wave of Rs elected to all sorts of elective federal and state positions.

    GWB gave us BHO.

    And BHO has given us Trump.

    Which takes us back to what were BHOs 3 best things he did to make the country better and his 3 biggest failures in that regard?

    I think Obama has divided Americans more than any other president in my lifetime…the number of which is considerable.

    Cow says he was as big a failure as Carter.

  711. Cash Cow TM says:

    How easily will it be to unwind some of the harmful thing BHO has foisted upon the nation?

    Cancelling out BHOs legion of harmful executive orders will be easy.

    Some–like throwing BHO billions of dollars away to cronies who contributed $$$ to his campaign for development of new green energy can never be undone and we are saddled with that.

    Others I fear prove tough to unwind.

  712. Cash Cow TM says:

    BTW, as soon as DJT was sworn in I went over and grabbed Walt’s p*ussy….cat.

    We can all do that now. Right?
    and go beat up GLBTs…?
    and shoot any Latino and homeless people..?

  713. Bitterlaw says:

    More than an hour in to the Trump Administration and I still have to work? This is b.s.

  714. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is signing and signing and signing. I think Paul Ryan snuck a letter of resignation in the pile.

  715. DW says:

    I did like how Trump called out Washington as the problem. Considering where he was standing and the nature of the event, that took some guts. Its one thing to say that at a rural event near Grand Rapids, MI, but saying that at the inauguration was sort of cool.

  716. Bitterlaw says:

    Pelosi looks like she wants to go hide.

  717. NYCmike says:

    ” I think Paul Ryan snuck a letter of resignation in the pile.”

    -Imagining Radar O’Reilly as Speaker of the House right now……

  718. Mr.Vito says:

    sneaked! sneaked, dammit! Stop the madness!!

    GGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

  719. wvally says:

    Trying hard to think of positive Obama policies CC. Nothing coming to mind. Will think harder and get back to you.

  720. Mr.Vito says:

    That was a nice speech. I’m sure the media hated it.

  721. Mr.Vito says:

    If Obama had said it they would have loved it though.

  722. Bitterlaw says:

    Breaking News – Rachel Maddow is standing in front of Obama’s plane so it can’t fly away.

  723. Mr.Vito says:

    If it were a bus, she would be in grave danger.

  724. NYCmike says:

    “Pelosi looks like she wants to go hide.”

    -Someone is trying to stop her??!

  725. Bitterlaw says:

    Rachel Maddow is happy that there are so many protestors.

  726. Bitterlaw says:

    Great. Multiple protests planned for rush hour today in Philadelphia. I will make it home, damn it. Commuters’ Lives Matter.

  727. Bitterlaw says:

    Protestors fighting cops in DC. Great.

  728. PresidentPaul! says:

    Man imagine Jeb or Marco up there. Would have been another nightmare. Somehow that was avoided.

    Or Kasich slobbering all over everyone.

  729. Bitterlaw says:

    There are also troops in the street. When the Pope visited Philadelphia, there were PA National Guard troops on duty for security.

    Does DC have a National Guard or were they loaned from other states?

  730. PresidentPaul! says:

    President Kasich slobbered the documents so he’ll need to sign new ones.

  731. Cash Cow TM says:

    national guard from other states as well.
    I know some of the peeps from here who are in in that role.

  732. Trump says:

    There is a DC national guard. I believe it reports to Congress, since DC does not have a governor.

  733. Trump says:

    Can only be activated by the president

  734. Cash Cow TM says:

    Cow has cinched up seatbelt.

    Anarchist protesters in D.C. streets throwing rocks and burning things.

    Police lines formed, tear gas/percussion grenades…
    Rough start to Making america Great Again when a slice of whackadoodles I guess mostly domestic) are firmly opposed to that.

    The police will continue to play cat and mouse with the whackadoodle vandals.

    My ancestor, General Cow, said the tactic to use to end protestors running amok is have lines of police come in from all 4 directions. Surround, detain, haul off to jail.

    But D.C. would rather play cat and mouse.

  735. Cash Cow TM says:

    Trump needs to use Executive Order #1 to give police authority to go break heads of the whackadoodle anarchists/vandals.

    Arrest anyone wearing a mask.
    Frisk suspected whackadoodles with rocks in their head for rocks in their backpack and pockets as well.

  736. NYCmike says:

    “Arrest anyone wearing a mask.”

    -Leave Pelosi out of this, she is trying to hide.

  737. Cash Cow TM says:

    Why has the fire department not been called in to extinguish the fires set to trash cans and piles of other street debris.

    Instead the pile of trash has been burning for 40 minutes to allow all the gaggle of media present to get nice camera shots.

    To their credit, I have seen some cameramen stop to pick up rocks and put them in their pocket. I will assume it is to reduce the amount of projectiles that can be used against the police. I hope they are not intending to throw them later.

  738. Cash Cow TM says:

    re-dic-a-lus.

    First action to make America Great Again would be to haul a couple hundred arseholes off to jail.

    think what those street fires are doing to aggrivate global warming.

    the left wing anarchists don’t care.

  739. Cash Cow TM says:

    I would love to see the 100 news media people there taking film of the 30 protesters all bum rush nd tackle them and hold them for the police to come get.

    Make Newsmedia Camera People and Reporters Great Again.

  740. Cash Cow TM says:

    Off to finish vacuuming.

    If/when the police are given the green light to bust heads, someone text me.

  741. PresidentPaul! says:

    Protestors didn’t come out until after the crack of noon so Trump had already been sworn in.

    If we did the swear in at 10AM then all the protestors could be avoided entirely;

  742. Cash Cow TM says:

    I have no problem with the allowing of peaceful protest.
    This stuff is just pure anarchy.

    Have helicopters drop paint on these anarchists, or have people shoot the black clad anarchists with yellow paint to identify them for arrest soon.

  743. Rubio 2024 says:

    Melania looks great! Michelle O. is so masculine and unattractive.

  744. Cash Cow TM says:

    These disruptive protests by the left wing anarchists are almost as bad as the damage caused by the right wing protesters when BHO was inaugurated back in 2008 and 2012.

    Oh, that’s right. There were no violent protests back then.

    Forgot that the rules say only the left can do these things with impunity.

  745. Cash Cow TM says:

    How long will it be before we see a Trump tweet saying:

    “D.C. mayor Bowser needs to do a better job of protecting D.C.’s citizens and their property. I guess she does not think I am her president.”

  746. janz says:

    #747 Trump calling out the Washington political elite, as he was standing in front of the Washington political elite, reminded me of Ben Carson’s speech at the prayer breakfast, where he chastised political correctness at the same table where the most politically correct, now ex president sat (with continually dour Michelle beside him).

  747. Cash Cow TM says:

    Trump will probably order his well armed vehicle to drive to where the anarchists are setting fires, destroying things, throwing rocks.

    and then spray them with tear gas all the while being on the loudspeaker taunting them to make his day.

  748. NYCmike says:

    Good comparison, janz.

  749. Cash Cow TM says:

    Breaking…

    Mayor Bowser has issued a harsh statement denouncing the actions of the white anarchists. Says she is very disappointed.

    (Trump probably tweeted her that his first order of business would be to cut D.C.’s federal funding.)

  750. Cash Cow TM says:

    Don’t some countries have laws saying they can arrest people and hold them in jail for 36 hours while they investigate “process” them?

    Do (or could) we do that so that they are not bailed out by the ACLU an hour after they are arrested?

    Force them to be jail cells where they have a TV showing nothing but Trump campaign speeches for 36 hours.
    Now THAT’S punishment!

  751. janz says:

    I think it was Chris Wallace who thought Trump’s inaugural address would be remembered as “the forgotten man’s” speech. I was both shocked and heartened by it, being he plainly laid his sentiments out – the good, bad, and ugly -honoring the people, referencing their importance, rather than his own, as the former president has done for 8 long years.

  752. Cash Cow TM says:

    BTW, hats off to the news media people I saw who were taking the overturn metal garbage cans and metal newspaper boxes in the street and putting them back upright on the sidewalk.

  753. janz says:

    Also, what a dignified, simply stunning first lady Melania is! She is so reminiscent of Jackie Kennedy.

  754. Cash Cow TM says:

    YANKEE DOODLE!

    one of my favorites!

  755. Cash Cow TM says:

    Hope she does not end up being like Jackie Kennedy was after that horrible day in Dallas.

  756. janz says:

    Apparently Trump signed an order to remove all references of climate change from the government web site.

  757. Walt says:

    Got a text from Dave W. urging Cash Cow to get away from the keyboard and quit hogging the thread.

  758. janz says:

    Cash cow, me too. Would not wish a day like that on any spouse.

  759. NYCmike says:

    “YANKEE DOODLE!”

    -YES, YankeeDoodleCupcakes!

    I like their Southern cousin, Dipsy Doodles as well.

    https://www.amazon.com/Drakes-Yankee-Doodles-Cupcakes-8ct/dp/B0004M14OA

  760. Walt says:

    Cow wants me to ask the rest of you here a question.

    What do you like the best:
    A. Pomp
    B. Circumstances

  761. Walt says:

    janz,

    I fully believe that climate changes.
    I have first hand knowledge about that when the dinosaurs around me all died.

    I just am not convinced that MAN is a big impactor or climate change.

  762. janz says:

    It was major relief not seeing HRC’s hand on the Bible, with Bill Clinton grinning beside her. Prayers have been answered.

  763. Walt says:

    As to Cow’s question about Pomp or Circumstances…

    As for me, it depends on the circumstances.

    I did like it when Arnold Schwarzenegger flexed and said he would “pomp you up”!

  764. NYCmike says:

    Have to go with “circumstances”….think of all the anagrams!!

  765. NYCmike says:

    “Pomp”

    -“Mopp” up Obama’s mess! Needed 2 “p”‘s instead of one.

  766. janz says:

    Walt, my stance aligns with your’s. What I’m skeptical of are the reasons behind temperature cycles, which I posit are multifaceted, rather than solely the fault of humans.

  767. Walt says:

    Believe it or not, I would not be seeing the inauguration hoopla except my very non-political wife wants to have it on and it HAS been on for hours….

    I am sure there are some “judge” shows on TV somewhere. Or an old western, or Antique Roadshow, or Pawn Stars…

  768. PresidentPaul! says:

    I think one of the biggest pitfalls of this administration and congress will be whether or not to do “revenue neutral” tax cuts.

    But you can’t have tax cuts if it’s revenue neutral but rather just shuffle the burden around meaning the dems win that.

  769. Cash Cow TM says:

    circumstances

    circus men scat?

    (easy peezy)

  770. Cash Cow TM says:

    I wanna see more on the anarchist protesters rather than cars driving slowly down the street.

    Is there something wrong with me?

  771. Walt says:

    Sorry about that.

    Cow threw her weight around and got temporary control of the keyboard again.

  772. Walt says:

    Cash Cow snickered when they said the coast Guard has a “Rear” Admiral.

    She is so juvenile.

  773. janz says:

    I am kind of glued to the “hoopla,” as it still seems unreal as to this enormous change in government.

  774. Bitterlaw says:

    MSNBC coverage said that Trump, Bill Clinton, and GWB were all born in 1946. If true (I’m not looking it up), that is an interesting coincidence.

  775. Bitterlaw says:

    Of course, Walt is dismayed that so many children have been President.

  776. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “I fully believe that climate changes.
    I have first hand knowledge about that when the dinosaurs around me all died.”

    Believe a lot of political dinosaurs died today.

    According to the so-called “experts”, climate change has put California into prolonged drought. As a result it has been continually raining to the point of flooding, and grassy areas are now lakes. Maybe Trump and his evil climate denialists are responsible.

  777. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The anarchist protesters are discrediting the anti-Trump extremists. Weren’t there suppose to be hundreds of thousands of peaceful protesters in D.C. today?

  778. Frank says:

    Rasmussen job approval for Trump:

    56% – 44%

  779. janz says:

    Sandiego, speaking of the CA drought, we have a growing lake of water in our S CA back yard, especially after the consistently hard rain all morning long!

    Am loving the parade….

  780. Barrett says:

    #809 – because there is no real noble cause to champion, I’m sure a lot of protesters backed out.

    #811 – 56%? I believe it. Especially if it holds for tomorrow, given how well the ceremony went

  781. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    812.

    Janz, same here. I believe we live in the same county.

  782. Frank says:

    Barrett,

    It was based on T-W-Th polling.

    Frank

  783. janz says:

    Sandiego, I primarily live on the west side of LA County. We also have another home N of SF, and am told by friends that roads are closed along with major flooding.

  784. Walt says:

    “interesting coincidence.”

    Bitter,

    You could call it an interesting “circumstance”?
    It definitely is not an interesting “pomp”…

  785. Spudskie says:

    What a great day to be an American! I told you he would win, but so many of you doubted. Still waiting to hear from so many of you to admit you were wrong.

    President Trump. Get used to it baby!

  786. Cash Cow TM says:

    The hundreds of thousands of wowen protesters are supposed to be there Saturday and make fools of themselves.

    I know some around these parts who are going on Sat and were some sort of p*ssy hats on their heads.

  787. Cash Cow TM says:

    wowen should be women.

    danged auto hoof correct…

  788. Cash Cow TM says:

    Young tater-ski,

    I was wrong.
    Feel better?

  789. Trump says:

    These rioted are basically starting the Trump re-election campaign.

  790. DW says:

    Hoping that Obama learns really quick that if you live by the executive order, you can die by it too. Waiting to see these reversed. In fact, I would love to see Trump give just ONE executive order before swearing off the practice to give power back to the people:

    “I hereby order all of Barack Obama’s executive orders to be null and void.”

  791. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    816. Janz, I mixed you up with someone else. There is someone involved in GOP politics in San Diego with a name similar to yours.

  792. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    824. Or I should say an internet ID similar to the one you use.

  793. DW says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

    wiki always fast at updating pages like this one. Obama now in list of living former presidents.

  794. DW says:

    it is a weird coincidence that all living US presidents were born in 1924 (Carter and Bush41), 1946 (Clinton, Bush 43, Trump, or 1961 (Obama)

  795. DW says:

    this line in the speech no doubt gets under liberals’ skin more than any other:

    “For too long, a small group in our nation’s capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost…Washington flourished – but the people did not share in its wealth,”

    Liberal order sees people as serfs whose very existence is only to build, grow, and support federal government. In one sentence, Trump blew that away. He desecrated the temple of the liberal political religion.

    Interestingly, Rush Limbaugh years ago when Obama was pushing through the stimulus bills kept saying that they were just to “stimulate government” and that proved true.

  796. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The rain gods are ruining Obama’s golf game. Here is a tweet:

    “Divine justice re: protests. This is what #CAwx is like at the moment — good for the drought; excellent for ruining Obama’s golf getaway.”

  797. Cash Cow TM says:

    I see two-Pence.

    Husband and wife…

  798. Cash Cow TM says:

    In non-inauguration news…

    DRUDGE

    “Man says 18.9-inch penis a disability forcing to live off food banks…”
    ___________________________________
    That is bigger than some of the bull friends I have known.

    What was it that Mae West said…is that a cannon in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

  799. NYCmike says:

    Is Trump supposed to be saluting? I have seen like 3 different videos with a soldier standing at salute, but have not seen Trump respond in kind.

  800. janz says:

    #829. Just too ironic about rain upending O’s golf, now that he is “retired.”

  801. jason says:

    He saluted that general that escorted him to the limo after the troops passed in review.

  802. jason says:

    I think Trump’s speech was consistent with his message during the campaign.

    I don’t agree with a lot of his message during the campaign.

    However I do agree with some of it and I think the part I agree with will be more doable than the isolationist/protectionist garbage.

    And I think he has a real opportunity to do something for the inner cities and break the grip the Democrats have on them by keeping them poor and government dependent.

  803. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    One of Obama’s last acts was to fan the climate change scare by having a government agency claim that 2016 was the hottest year ever:

    MIT climate scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen, responded:

    “Lindzen said in an interview on Howie Carr’s radio show: “To imply that a rise of temperature of a tenth of a degree is proof that the world is coming to an end — has to take one back to the dark ages.” He added, “As long as you can get people excited as to whether it’s a tenth of a degree warmer or cooler, then you don’t have to think, you can assume everyone who is listening to you is an idiot.”

    “The whole point is so crazy because the temperature is always going up or down a little. What is astonishing is that in the last 20 years it hasn’t done much of anything,”

  804. Cash Cow TM says:

    Taking my wife out to dinner.
    Last time I have done that was way
    back in some other president’s
    administration.

  805. Walt says:

    That post was be me.
    Not Cash Cow.

  806. Marc says:

    I can’t believe Dave didn’t make inauguration threads. If he’s not dedicated to running the website anymore sell to someone who would be.

    In other news

    (AP) : President Trump signs executive order ordering federal agencies to ease burden of Affordable Care Act

    White House says chief of staff Priebus to issue government-wide order immediately freezing regulations

  807. lisab says:

    From what I’m reading, LisaB is convinced of the sanctity of murderers’ lives.

    It’s just too bad about the victims.

    They apparently have no right to life, but, hey, how dare the government execute the killers?
    —————————————-

    well then you are not able to read very well.

    it is unwise to give the people who create and enforce the laws of the state, the power to kill their own citizens, given how often in history the laws have been enforced differentially to favor the elites and punish their enemies

  808. PresidentPaul! says:

    “Is Trump supposed to be saluting? I have seen like 3 different videos with a soldier standing at salute, but have not seen Trump respond in kind.”

    I saw him saluting for like 5 min straight, and I remember thinking he must be getting tired.

  809. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    841. “The National Review is mad.”

    To quote George Will in the article:

    “In what should have been a civic liturgy serving national unity and confidence, he vindicated his severest critics by serving up reheated campaign rhetoric about “rusted out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape…”

    You don’t expect the esoteric intellectual, George Will, to go so low as be concerned over unemployed blue color workers and closed factories. How mundane. How could Trump focus the peasants.

  810. lisab says:

    “Is Trump supposed to be saluting? I have seen like 3 different videos with a soldier standing at salute, but have not seen Trump respond in kind.”

    well … technically not, because the president is not in uniform

    but as c in c he can do what he wants.

    reagan started the saluting. prior to that marine guards would salute, but would hold the salute for an unspecified amount of time, which was somewhat inconsistent

    reagan, and bush 1 & 2 were veterans, so it was less odd

    bush 1 told clinton he should salute also, and i think showed him how or told him to learn how

    and obama continued the practice, but never learned how to do it properly or at least did not take it seriously

  811. lisab says:

    oh … and when reagan was challenged on his practice, by his marine guards who thought it might be inappropriate, the marine commandant told reagan as c in c he could return the salute if he wanted to

    he used slightly more colourful language than i just did

  812. lisab says:

    bunu,

    you seem surprisingly happy about trump winning.

  813. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    840. “it is unwise to give the people who create and enforce the laws of the state, the power to kill their own citizens, given how often in history the laws have been enforced differentially to favor the elites and punish their enemies.”

    That is why we have a legal system, with trial by jury and the right to appeal. After a fair trial and the end of the appeal process, there is no doubt the Virginia killer murdered the family. The judicial process worked fairly. Can understand you opposition capital punishment; Virginia allows it, and the sentence was carried out.

  814. lisab says:

    “That is why we have a legal system, with trial by jury and the right to appeal.”

    as i said yesterday, i think it is a very good thing the appeals last a long time, giving, at least several opportunities to have the convictions and sentences challenged

    however, as we know from within living memory, virginia courts have not always treated their citizens equally

    which has proven true of most legal systems throughout history

  815. Bitterlaw says:

    Wow. Entertainment really sucks when the Democrats refuse to perform. The children singing at this ball are cute but it wears thin 30 seconds in.

  816. Cash Cow TM says:

    Quack

  817. lisab says:

    lady gaga wasn’t there?

  818. Cash Cow TM says:

    When HRC was mentioned/introducedI do think it was inappropriate for the crowd at the inauguration, to chant “Lock her up, lock her up.”

    Meanspirited.
    Not the right thing to do at this venue.

  819. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Meanwhile, former President Obama’s plan could not land in Palm Springs because of bad weather. No one is saying where his plane went.

  820. Bitterlaw says:

    My wife did not vote for President. She is tired of the non-stop Trump bashing. She despises Trump but is sick of the mean spirited left.

  821. Bitterlaw says:

    Ok. I admit that the bagpipes are cool.

  822. Wes says:

    George Will is part of the conservative elite intelligentsia. That’s pretty much the Buckley crowd as opposed to those championed by Amity Shlaes in her book The Forgotten Man. People like those Trump appealed to are the ones who kept the GOP in power for most of the 36 years from 1897 to 1933 and put the Democrats in power during the Great Depression. They’re also the people Reagan peeled away from the Democrats in 1980 and the congressional GOP used to undermine the Democrats in 2014.

    They appreciate tax cuts but care less about them than about the ability to provide for their families. They may not usually have college degrees but generally come packaged with marketable skills like trade certifications and CDLs.

    For decades they leaned Democrat as the party of the common man. They were a big reason for Clinton’s electoral success in the 1990s.

    Obama largely abandoned them as he moved the Democrat Party in the neo-marxist direction of greatly increased government goodies for yuppie liberals and poor inner city minorities.

    The dam broke in 2014 when they voted overwhelmingly GOP, decimating Southern Dems and giving Republicans success to one degree or another in all regions of the country except the Pacific states minus Alaska.

    Cagily Trump saw an opportunity to forge an electoral coalition out of them most other Republicans overlooked. He built on his success in the primaries by targeting these voters directly and highlighting Hillary’s disconnect from them.

    These people don’t care about personal peccadilloes as evidenced by Bill Clinton’s ability to maintain strong support in the wake of impeachment and Trump’s rock solid support among them even after pussygate. They care about jobs and what candidate will work hardest to keep them productive.

    In short, Will doesn’t get it. Until he and the other elitist Buckley conservatives do, they’ll never be able to put forth a candidate with the kind of strong necessary middle-class and blue collar support Donald Trump enjoyed and solidified for the GOP last year.

  823. Wes says:

    One interesting side effect of Trump’s victory was making Republicans look at the Senate from the same partisan perspective as the Dems.

    From the time Ike won in 1952 till as late as 2012, it was almost an established rule Republicans would lose at least one or two Senate seats in states carried by their presidential candidate. Even Ronald Reagan in 1984 suffered this fate when Republicans lost three Senate seats in states carried by him (picking up one for a net loss of two).

    Trump created a firewall for Republican Senators, holding all seats in states carried by him despite strong Dem challenges in states such as IN, MO, and NC.

    This will make it harder for Democrats to regain and/or maintain power in the Senate–the ultimate arbiter of the all-important federal judiciary–going forward.

  824. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trump is dominating things as president from day one. Trump never has come across as a politician; he started out with an agenda and never compromised it. He is saying the same things he did when he announced he was running for president. The shear force of Trump’s personality is breaking his opponents, who are weak and vacillating. The only president I can compare him with is Reagan.

    As Emerson said “all history resolves itself very easily into the biography of a few stout and earnest persons.”

  825. wvally says:

    Bill ya dirty dog. Hillary caught him checking out Ivanka.

    https://twitter.com/savagebiden/status/822540037602607108

  826. lisab says:

    “Hillary caught him checking out Ivanka.”

    so what? she probably did too.

  827. DW says:

    860 – I saw that live and mentioned it above.

  828. lisab says:

    trump and melania dancing to

    i did it my way

  829. NYCmike says:

    “The only president I can compare him with is Reagan.”

    -Yowza!

    A statement like this last February would have been followed by 100 “8-11%”‘s!

    My, oh my, how times have changed!

  830. NYCmike says:

    Oh man, not only does Hillary have to be the 2-time loser on the inauguration stage, she has the husband she did not leave because she thought she wanted the Presidency more than her dignity!

    Karma.

  831. lisab says:

    “The only president I can compare him with is Reagan.”

    i remember reagan’s tweats against various people

  832. wvally says:

    It’s classic Bill. I don’t hold it against him for checking out a pretty lady. It’s a funny vid tho.

    You caught it live DW? Not much gets past you lol.

  833. DW says:

    Apparently today Obama announced that Michelle will run in four years so he can get another 8 years in the white house…on saying goodbye:

    “This is just a little pit stop,” he said. “This is not a period, this is a comma in the continuing story.”

  834. DW says:

    867 – I was watching the NY Times feed which was just camera shots following all the action, and as soon as the Trump children came in, they followed them down the stairs and then immediately they panned over to Bill, and well, … he has a reputation. He also seemed to be checking out Laura Bush as they went by too…I guess he isn’t too choosy.

  835. DW says:

    Bill Clinton is 70 with white hair…but as the saying goes, just because there is snow on the roof doesn’t mean there’s not a fire in the furnace.

  836. NYCmike says:

    https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/01/another-trump-lesson-for-republicans-do-not-give-your-critics-an-inch

    -I could have used this article the many times I argued with the likes of jason, MD, Author, etc about Congressional Republicans giving up certain powers they had, BEFORE the negotiations with Obama, Pelosi, and Reid had even begun.

    DO NOT GIVE AN INCH!

  837. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    864. “The only president I can compare him with is Reagan.” -Yowza! A statement like this last February would have been followed by 100 “8-11%”‘s! My, oh my, how times have changed!

    Remember too that I was NeverTrump. Am impressed with his domination of the political scene, it does not mean he will turn out to be a good president. He has that opportunity though.

  838. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOLLLL Worst inaugural speech evahh. Was there an inauguration today? 250,000 people compared to 1.8 million for Obama. And that’s with the Orange Groper begging people to come to the inauguration on Twitter LOL.

    Then he does nothing to try to unify the people. Instead he basically tells people to fall in line. Yeah, that’s happening, Orange Looooah! LOLL

    Approval numbers already way underwater. This guy has no clue at all!!!

  839. Proud Obamacon says:

    Orange Pussy Grabber refuses to salute the military officers.
    And he uses Obama’s picture from his ’09 inauguration as his own ! LOL I almost feel sorry for him

    Worst.Administration.Evahhhhhhh

  840. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    866. “i remember reagan’s tweats against various people”

    Since there was no twitter then, you memory is good. However, Reagan could be a pretty aggressive attack dog, and he wrote a newspaper column that was often biting.

    Social media has changed things, and not for the better. Twitter provides a powerful weapon for Trump to dominate the conversation and knock down his opponents. I do to like it, but it is effective. Have seen people use social media in a devastating manner;

    Also, given the ugliness and name calling of the leftists, as many have said, the only way a non-leftist would win would be by being politically correct. Trump proved that this was right; it was appreciated he did not attempt to pander to liberals, and water down his beliefs.

  841. Cash Cow TM says:

    As a person, DJT does not hold a candle to Ronald Reagan.

    Reagan, a giant.
    Trump, a midget.

    –Reagan was a geninely likeable person.
    Trump? Har Dee Har!
    –Reagan, far superior as to his ability to win over / work with those who opposed him.
    –Reagan truly was a unifier
    –Reagan, articulate and Trump off the cuff is painful to hear
    –Reagan, humble and not all puffed up & DJT is DJT
    –Reagan, not perceived as mean spirited
    –Reagan, brought 8 years experience in elective office as CA governor
    –Reagan came across better on TV than dour Trump

    MOST IMPORTANTLY:
    –Reagan truly understood what conservatism was and embraced it
    ************************************
    And at the end of DJT term of office, he will not be as well thought of as was Reagan.
    ____________________________
    Many people who say DJT is another Reagan are righties who are 40 years old or younger and too young to have actually lived through, remember and understood Reagan’s 8 years back in the 1980s.

    I knew Reagan, and Trump is no Reagan.

  842. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    874. Hey Obamacon; any idea who will be the Democratic Party candidate who will take down Trump in 2020?

  843. Proud Obamacon says:

    The Orange Pussy Grabber couldn’t even wait a day before removing MLK’s bust. One of his first acts is to remove MLK’s bust. Yeah real unifier here. LOLLLLLL This guy will be lucky to ever break 40% approval.

    Not.My.President

  844. Proud Obamacon says:

    Any number or Dems can take down Trump. Like Obama said, these four years are just a blip, we are good. 2020 will be a great year for us!

  845. Proud Obamacon says:

    Trumps dance to “My Way”. Yes Groper in Chief, please do things your way. PLEASE!!! After all, you won in a HISTORIC LANDSLIDE, you have a HUGE MANDATE! LOLLLLL

    My guess is he’s at 35% by April and never breaks 40% approvals

    Worst.Administration.Evahhhhhh

  846. Cash Cow TM says:

    Orange Pussy Grabber

    rubber on gassy grape?

  847. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    876. “I knew Reagan, and Trump is no Reagan.”

    Nope. He is no Reagan, but he has taken down the Clinton & Bush dynasties, and both the Republican and Democratic establishments. This is a different world from the 1980s; it uglier, bombastic, and not very civil. Trump fits into it, Reagan would not.

    I did not even vote for Trump, but can see his political dominance. What politician has effectively stood up to him?

  848. Cash Cow TM says:

    Don’t get me wrong.

    I did not vote for DHT.

    But I hope DJT is successful in solving YUGE problemos that America faces.

    I just fear he will fall short in many ways.
    Hope I am wrong.
    _______________________
    I did not vote for BHO and thought he would be a disaster as president.

    When BHO won, I hoped he would be successful in dealing with America’s problems.

    But he surpassed my worst fears and made things even worse and proved me right.

  849. Proud Obamacon says:

    Bullchit, We are much better off today then we were under Dubya. And don’t give me BS about the labor participation number LOL

    Groper in Chief will try to do a lot of damage but I’m confident we can limit him and then he’ll be gone soon enough.

    Worst.Administration.Evahhh

  850. lisab says:

    obama removed churchill’s bust that was given to us by britain

    and

    GAVE IT BACK – insulting our closest ally

    trump restored the white house to the way it was before by asking for churchill’s bust back

  851. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    879. Thats good to know Obamacon. Having lost the Senate, House, Presidency and most governorships and state legislatures, things have to get better for the Democrats. They even lost Trump who was once a Democrat.

    A key for the Democrats is they have to get the blue collar working class back on board, particular in the Midwest states. Will be interesting to watch — new faces are important. My friends who are Sanders supporters are pretty venomous toward the Clinton old guard.

  852. Proud Obamacon says:

    yeah and it wasn’t Trump who took down the Clintons. It was Obama first (in ’08) and Bernie this year. In hindsight, Obama and Bernie did irreparable damage to Clinton. That’s fine , I wasn’t a Clinton fan either. Trump just delivered the last punch with help from Putin and Comey.

    As for winning back the blue collar vote, that will be easy once they figure out that Trump lied about everything. Coal and manufacturing jobs are not coming back, recession is coming, their healthcare is being taken away and premiums about to go up.

    Yeah, buckle up. Pussy Grabber about to take us down the toilet.

    Not.My.President

  853. Cash Cow TM says:

    According to Facebook posts all day today, this is either the greatest day in American history or the worse day in American history.

    I am in neither camp.
    Today is just another day.

  854. wvally says:

    For my family personally under Obama-
    -our healthcare premiums and deductibles have skyrocketed
    -education curriculum has gone in the crapper w Common Core. My sons HS math curriculum especially has been ridiculous (granted probably would’ve also happened under an R)

    Also, radicals Islamists grew in power throughout the Middle East and Europe was ruined.

    What else did he do? Put men in ladies bathrooms?

    I’m glad the country got to feel good about electing our first black president.

  855. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    887. Will see. Trump could turn into another Schwarzenegger, start out popular, then completely tank – in doing so he did permanent damage to the Republican Party in California.

    At least we know it will be interesting to watch, whatever happens.

  856. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    888. “Today is just another day.”

    Really? Check your hay pasture, a sedative weed may be growing in it.

  857. Proud Obamacon says:

    Another idiot

    “-our healthcare premiums and deductibles have skyrocketed
    -education curriculum has gone in the crapper w Common Core. My sons HS math curriculum especially has been ridiculous (granted probably would’ve also happened under an R)”

    Your healthcare premiums were rising even w/o Obamacare. With Obamacare, your premiums rose less.
    -As for common core, you said yourself that the same would have happened under an R

    “I’m glad the country got to feel good about electing our first black president.”

    What does being black have to do with it? Typical trash directed at Obama who did a great job even while being completely handcuffed by obstructionists who only cared about scoring political points against him.

  858. Proud Obamacon says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2017/01/19/fox-news-poll-1117/

    OOOPS! Fox poll: Obamacare more popular than Trump! Obama at 60%

    A new poll from Fox News finds that 50 percent of voters feel favorably about the Affordable Care Act — a sharp uptick from the 41 percent who felt favorably about the law the last time the network polled, in the summer of 2015.

    In the Fox News poll, somewhat notably, Obamacare polls as more popular than President-elect Donald Trump, whom 42 percent of respondents view favorably. The law does not poll as favorably as its namesake, President Obama, who receives an approval rating of 60 percent.

  859. Phil says:

    BTW, how’s Hildabeast’s campaign coming in Arizona, Georgia, and Texas? Must be a real luxury to know you can go after those red states with that big blue wall in the bag.

    Hillary campaign on cruise control……

  860. Proud Obamacon says:

    Is America Great Again yet?
    Anyone? Bueller??

  861. wvally says:

    Bullish*t you don’t know jack about our plans. We had a low premium and low deductibles which were an intentional benefit of my husband’s employer. Obama outlawed our level of benefits. Our premiums have more than doubled and deductibles tripled.

  862. wvally says:

    I know many people who were incredibly moved by Obama’s election, some who voted for him and some who didn’t. In a country that was still segregated 50 years prior, it was a powerful moment.

  863. Proud Obamacon says:

    Whatever you say. You either had a chump/fraudulent plan or you are lying.

    As far as you explaining why you had to bring up Obama being Black, you are pathetic. Nice try at backtracking though.

  864. lisab says:

    wvally,

    as always obamacon mixes in half truths with his dem talking points

    people who had no insurance before obama, such as welfare families, suddenly had the same coverage as your family

    but they do not pay any copays and they have no deductibles and of course they do not pay any premiums. so for the first time ever they can probably go to visit YOUR doctor

    the doctor that you can no longer afford to visit except in emergencies because of the high deductibles you probably face now … i think MD said his deductible was something outrageous like $11,000 total for his family in 2015

    welfare families have no deductible, but they now have the same coverage as you.

    so, yes the average premium ON AVERAGE did not go up as fast as in the past because for millions of families it went up $0 dollars

    let me do the math here. nothing into nothin’. carry the nothin’… is nothin’

    of course for families like yours, who have jobs, your premiums did go up a lot as did your deductibles …

    but you have the warm and fuzzy knowledge that you are helping millions of other families go to YOUR doctor for free 🙂

  865. lisab says:

    also, as a state employee

    my coverage has not really changed at all either

    and i daresay most state and federal employees still have similar coverage to what they had before.

    i literally did get to keep my plan 🙂

    of course ny state has freakishly high taxes …

  866. lisab says:

    In 2017, your out-of-pocket maximum can be no more than $7,150 for an individual plan and $14,300 for a family plan before marketplace subsidies.

  867. lisab says:

    wvally,

    so do not worry, this year your deductible can be no more than $14,300

    well … plus your premiums of course

    ummmmmmmmmmm … in wv most middle class families can afford $14,300 per year in medical bills right?

  868. Bitterlaw says:

    If I have to pay for another family’s healthcare, I should get to meet them. “Hey, Uncle Joe! Put out that cigarette. Enough texting, Sally. You’re on my softball team now.”

  869. Trump says:

    Obama was a affirmative action hire who did everything he could to hurt the country.

    “Is America great again?”

    Why, yes, it is.

  870. Trump says:

    If someone like ProudCon is screwed, by definition America is great again.

  871. DW says:

    Looking again the list of 45 presidents, was reminded how only the founding father presidents (Washington – Monroe) were never photographed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

    If I recall correctly, some of the early ones were photographed long after they left the white house, and just before they died.

  872. Cash Cow TM says:

    lisab,

    Massachusetts in 2015 (last year figures are available) increased its coal shipments to over 400,000 tons.

    While WV shipments to other states declined 80-90%.

    Thank you.

  873. Bitterlaw says:

    Breaking News – People who liked Obama will say that he had a successful Presidency. People who did not like Obama will say that he had a failed Presidency.

    Zzzzzzzzzz

  874. Wes says:

    Trump’s been President for just over 22.5 hours, and despite dire predictions MD, Corey, and the Hillarybots gave us, the universe is still intact.

  875. Mr.Vito says:

    Melania was a head turner in that ball gown.

    Ralph Lauren and Herve Pierre… big winners.

    To the designer boycotters:

    http://media.giphy.com/media/Ggpz73jQTfgFq/giphy.gif

  876. Jake says:

    Time to confirm some Judges. Who cares about more bogus MSM polls. Fox news polling was some of the worst of 2016.

  877. Jake says:

    Vito, I agree. Melania made Michelle look like a bag lady

  878. Cash Cow TM says:

    What exactly do the women marching expect to accomplish?

    raise public awareness?
    zzzzzz…

    express their disapproval of DJT?
    zzzzzzzz…

    spend lots of money for renting busses, gas, hotel rooms, etc. and boost the DJT economy?
    seems counterproductive….

    get mugged in D.C.
    zzzzz….

  879. Cash Cow TM says:

    I reckon Dave W. is going to leave this thread up for the whole 8 years of the DJT administration…

  880. NYCmike says:

    “Melania made Michelle look like a bag lady”

    -No way! Michelle is a fashion icon! VOGUE said so!

  881. Bitterlaw says:

    America just seems above average today. Not great. I blame Trump. He promised greatness.

  882. NYCmike says:

    “I reckon Dave W. is going to leave this thread up for the whole 8 years of the DJT administration…”

    -Ca$h,

    I thought the same thing when I saw “It is going to be a wild four years….” up above!

  883. NYCmike says:

    “America just seems above average today.”

    -Global warming!

  884. Chicon says:

    Unless it is fake news, this choice of John Gore to head the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ should cause a bit of a kerfuffle.

  885. lisab says:

    Massachusetts in 2015 (last year figures are available) increased its coal shipments to over 400,000 tons.
    —————-

    i think that is just the coal we get in our stockings after christmas

    i don’t recall ever hearing about a coal mine in massachusetts

  886. lisab says:

    trump is not a gentleman, he is rude, crude and crass

    but he is a businessman, and is used to getting things done

    so there is a possibility, perhaps unlikely, that he can actually achieve things.

    i predict it will be much like yes, minister,

    trump: ok … let’s shut down the department of energy and commerce

    paul ryan: great … so i will work on increasing the budget by $100 billion in new taxes

    trump: what? i said shut down those departments, not expand them.

    paul ryan: of course, but we will need a bunch of new civil servants to oversee the closure. it just makes sense, it will take a lot of people to close those agencies down … in fact … i think we will need to create a new agency, department of reductions to oversee the reduction of other agencies

  887. lisab says:

    “An Andrews High School student could face 30 days in jail after allegedly throwing a paper airplane that struck a teacher in the eye.

    On Tuesday, Jan. 10, Georgetown County Sheriff’s Office deputies arrested 17-year-old David Michael Elliott after his instructor, Edward McIver, told them he was struck in the eye by a paper airplane he threw during class. He was charged with third-degree assault and battery.”

    30 days?!!! he should get the chair!

  888. lisab says:

    Valparaiso YMCA Accused Of Censorship After Banning CNN From TVs (over fake news complaints)

  889. lisab says:

    Responding to an article published by CNN originally entitled, “Nancy Sinatra not happy Trump using father’s song at inauguration,” the 76-year-old singer and actress replied, “That’s not true. I never said that. Why do you lie, CNN?”
    —————————————-

    cnn cannot catch a break. they used to be the premier news channel. i still remember the baghdad broadcast by bernard shaw, john holliman and peter arnett from as the city was being bombed

    now they report on frank sinatra … and get it wrong

  890. lisab says:

    meanwhile

    Ashley Judd lowers the tone at star-studded DC women’s march by reading poem claiming Trump has ‘wet dreams’ about Ivanka ‘his favorite sex symbol’ and comparing him to HITLER

  891. lisab says:

    i thought ashley judd was just trying to get publicity so she could revive her career

    nope … she has lost her mind

    never go full al sharpton if you are a petite white woman

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4142950/Thousands-women-head-Washington-protest-Trump.html

  892. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    921. “Massachusetts in 2015 (last year figures are available) increased its coal shipments to over 400,000 tons.”

    Liz, Is the Brayton Point coal plant still open? Believe Massachusetts gets about 8% of its electricity from coal. About the same from wind and solar. About 65% is natural gas, which is hard to get into Massachusetts without enough pipelines.

    The state is pushing wind and solar, which when the weather is really cold on a winter night, and there is no wind blowing, are useless.

  893. Mr.Vito says:

    I’m sure this will all totally impress upon middle America that they made a mistake.

  894. lisab says:

    i heard they closed all the coal plants in massachusetts, but i cannot confirm

    it is just a rumour

  895. NYCmike says:

    http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/news/a20110/george-bush-rain-poncho-inauguration-madness/

    -The faces that Dubya makes, and with Cheney right behind him smirking, is pretty funny!

  896. Phil says:

    Very classy, Ashley Judd. Still interested in running for senator from Kentucky? Go ahead. You might get 17 percent….if you’re lucky.

  897. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    930.
    “i heard they closed all the coal plants in massachusetts, but i cannot confirm it is just a rumour”

    It is a done deal. Brayton Point is the last coal plant, and it is scheduled to be closed. Wondering if it has already taken place.

  898. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If Cow is right, and there are still coal shipments to Massachusetts, Brayton Point is still open.

  899. PresidentPaul! says:

    I think part of the reason to avoid exec orders etc until monday was to focus on the inauguration/ceremonies with hopefully decent fake-news media coverage, which was semi-true yesterday. However now that there are protestors there is almost no reason to wait for such.

    Might as well distract from the protests with exec orders.

    Since both get negative coverage might as well do them during same day so to compete with each other covering two at once rather than a whole day on each.

  900. PresidentPaul! says:

    Amy Schumer packs on the poundage or tonnage for the womans anti-Trump march

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/21/18/3C5D742900000578-4142950-image-a-59_1485021677425.jpg

  901. PresidentPaul! says:

    “bunu,
    you seem surprisingly happy about trump winning.”

    I vote Trump in the primary and the general.

    Would have voted for Rand had he stayed in, but Trump was my next favorite.

  902. PresidentPaul! says:

    Theresa May vowed to deliver an immigration system that ‘serves the national interest’ today as she put regaining control of Britain’s borders at the centre of her plan for Brexit.
    Ending EU freedom of movement rules would be a top priority in the upcoming negotiations with Brussels, she said.
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4129030/Theresa-vows-regain-control-Britain-s-borders.html

    ‘An immigration system that serves the national interest’: How Theresa May vows to regain control of Britain’s borders and end free movement