UT: Huntsman Leads Hatch By 14% in Senate Primary Race

A new poll from The Salt Lake Tribune and The Hinckley Institute shows Orrin Hatch would be crushed in a hypothetical primary against Jon Huntsman in the state of Utah.

Jon Huntsman 49%
Orrin Hatch (inc) 35%

This poll was done January 9-16 among registered voters. Hatch has been a US Senator for seven terms.

Posted by Dave at 9:14 pm
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611 Responses to “UT: Huntsman Leads Hatch By 14% in Senate Primary Race”

  1. Mr.Vito says:


  2. Mr.Vito says:

    “January 99”

    It’s been a long month.

  3. Bill H says:

    I wonder how Jason Chaffetz would do against Hatch?

  4. Walt says:


    shun T man
    stun H man

  5. Cash Cow TM says:


    How can you not believe in Big Foot after you see THIS!

  6. Walt says:

    A conservative Democrat in the WV House of Delegates who represents a section of Southern WV that is majority of D registered voters has announced he is leaving the D party.

    He blistered the National D party on his way out the door.

    He switched to being an Independent.

    I have reviewed the list of current Ds in the House of Delegates and cannot see any other Ds dropping the D behind their name. Practically every one is hard left.

  7. Mr.Vito-Que says:

    All the ones left are hard?


  8. Walt says:

    Is this true?

    I read where DJT copyrighted the “Make American Great Again” phrase about 4 years ago.


  9. Charles says:


  10. janz says:

    Walt, read about the young farmer’s accidental death on the prior thread. Very tragic. Sympathy to his family and your son. Such unexpected events are difficult to understand, let alone get through.

  11. Cash Cow TM says:

    My thoughts and musings….

    my observation is that many countries’ governments over the centuries had eventually gotten tired of inability of their “legislative body” to accomplish things, solve problems (or else became corrupt), or crime, external threats, etc. became too bad and the people turned to a strong man to lead them.

  12. Trump says:


    I read that Trump copyrighted MAGA 5 days after Romney’s defeat in 2012, theorizing what his message and path to presidency would be.

  13. Trump says:

    Trademark, not copyright.

    Trump filed for MAGA trademark on November 11, 2012.

  14. Trump says:

    This warms the cockles of my heart.

    “EPA employees ‘coming to work in teras’ because of Trump win”

    So much winning!!!

  15. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    5. Hah! How can you not believe in Big Foot after you see THIS!

    Cow, that’s not bigfoot; that’s may cousin. He is very difficult to go on a camping trip with because he likes to go frolic in the woods.

  16. Cash Cow TM says:

    My musings also lead me to COW-pine that in the last 50 years we have become such an uncivil society.

    Today instead of those on either side of an issue trying to find areas of agreement with the other and work from there, both sides refuse to budge and inch, demonize the other side and want to destroy, obliterate, neuter, marginalize name call and demonize the other side. We could argue as to which side started doing that first…

    Yes I know many here will say politics has always been a rough sport, etc. I will say it has become quite different and far more harsh in the last 20 years.

    It seems that everybody is so polarized, and so “in your face” uncivil–not just on social media. And it is not just politics–it is lots of things. Too many disagreements about too many things–not just politics–and people are quick to pull a gun or knife or set someone on fire.

    Fewer and fewer people seem to stop and think of the Golden Rule anymore nor try to live by it. Fewer people treat others with common decency and respect. Just treat people the way you would want to be treated.

    How have we gotten so far off the path of how we should treat one another? Failure of the family? Failure of the education system? Fault of the media/movies/violent video games? Global warming? Big City Values?

    If you disagree with me about the above, GFY!
    (just kidding. Cow gives you all a big cow lick and cow hug–except the trolls. And Bubu.)

  17. Walt says:

    One of my FB friends works for federal government.

    800 people in her agency.

    She looked through campaign finance donors list and said she is the only one of the feds in the agency she works for that contributed to DJT campaign.

    But said that there were TONS of others in that agency who contributed to HRC.

  18. jason says:

    I think its time for Hatch to give it up so someone younger can beat Huntsman. He has had a distinguished career but he will be 84 in 2018. 7 terms in the Senate should be enough for anyone.

  19. Walt says:

    Another friend who works for Dept. of Energy in a recent email to me said he was extremely disillusioned about DJT winning and most of his coworkers felt similarly. Huge number (including himself) seriously considering retiring. He was planning to work another 2 or 3 years to retire, but he is really considering moving that up.

  20. jason says:

    Wow, was just going to make Walt an honorary A-hole before I saw the “just kidding”.

  21. Walt says:

    The scientists unveiled their Doomsday Clock and say we are now closer to the “A-Pack-O-Lips” than EVAH!

  22. jason says:

    So it shows how all these agencies have just become politicized, and that is the doing of the Democrats.

  23. Cash Cow TM says:


    co-pay lapse
    a sloppy ace
    lose papacy
    close yap, Pa
    CA soy apple
    coy appeals
    calypso ape
    O play space

  24. Mr.Vito says:

    How long has she been in that shop drinking coffee?

  25. Mr.Vito says:

    Since Inauguration Day, I think…

  26. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    26. She definitely needs to switch to decaf.

  27. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Seattle has had 4.17 inches of rain in January 2017; Los Angeles has had 7.44 inches. So much for the continuous, prolonged drought Gov. Brown predicted as a result of climate change in California.

    If you listen to Gov. Brown often, you begin to question if he is actually living in reality.

  28. lisab says:

    the poor barista

    she handled it well i think

  29. NYCmike says:

    Who was the guy who ran along with Mike Lee when they, for good reason WES, primaried Bennett and got him out?

    I would rather have that guy take over for Hatch, instead of Huntsman.

    Huntsman can NOT be trusted as a so-called Republican.

  30. NYCmike says:

    That Twitter thing was fantastic! The faces on the onlookers are great!

  31. lisab says:

    the only bad part would be

    that i would want my coffee!

    her: i VOTED for clinton. i support this barista’s dreams. i see her dreams in her eyes. i WANT everyone to help her dreams, she is so much more than this …

    lisab: i want my coffee lady

  32. lisab says:

    i get upset when people linger at the condiments, adjusting their coffee

    customer: sip … adds cream … sip … adds sugar … sip … stirs … adds sugar … sip … adds cinnamon … sip … stirs … adds honey … sip …

    lisab: ARE YOU DONE YET!!!!!

  33. Wes says:

    You’re lying, Mike. I have no issue with Lee’s primarying Bennett. I disagree with how Utah sets up its primary system to ensure party insiders determine who’s on the ballot. Voters should choose candidates, not convention goers.

  34. Wes says:

    Newly revealed Ronulan NYCMike is a fan of denying voters the right to select candidates so a bunch of fringe activists can circumvent the masses and install their personal preferences as nominees.

  35. Wes says:

    Orrin Hatch is a longstanding institution in Utah. PPP tried to entice Matheson to challenge him in 2012 by posting polls saying Matheson led Hatch. Realistically Matheson had no chance and knew it.

    I rather doubt Huntsman leads Hatch at all. Even assuming Matheson does lead, Hatch has plenty to attack the former Governor on and can nuke him among GOP voters.

    Remember, however, Utah has no party registration, so self-identified Dems can theoretically vote in the primary, meaning Hatch would have to obliterate Huntsman among self-identified Republicans in that instance.

  36. Bitterlaw says:

    Philadelphia did not burn yesterday. In other news, Trump declared that the Philadelphia crime rate is soaring. It is not. Crime rates have been declining. I don’t expect anything from him since he already did the one thing I wanted him t do – defeat Hillary. However, if he could occasionally check out a hew facts before he speaks, it would be appreciated.

  37. messy says:

    Poll Date Sample

    RCP Average 1/20 – 1/26 — 44.5 43.7 +0.8
    Rasmussen Reports 1/24 – 1/26 1500 LV 55 45 +10
    Gallup 1/23 – 1/25 1500 A 46 45 +1
    Economist/YouGov 1/23 – 1/25 2312 RV 43 39 +4
    PPP (D) 1/23 – 1/24 1043 RV 44 44 Tie
    Quinnipiac 1/20 – 1/25 1190 RV 36 44 -8
    Reuters/Ipsos 1/20 – 1/24 1633 A 43 45 -2

  38. messy says:

    39. Ras has Trump down FOUR points from from yesterday as everyone else has our (ahem!) President underwater by five to ten points.

  39. jason says:

    Poor messy…

    That’s all that she has now….

    Grasping at daily fluctuations in Trump’s popularity….

    How far we have come from the lofty ideals of Clinton’s nanny state dreams.

  40. jason says:

    Huntsman can NOT be trusted as a so-called Republican.”


    But he trusts Trump.

  41. Wobbles says:

    “Ras has Trump down FOUR points”


  42. NYCmike says:

    “But he trusts Trump.”

    -You are better than this, jason. You know that is not true.

  43. NYCmike says:

    “You’re lying, Mike.”

    -Que? Mike Lee didn’t take out Bennett?

  44. NYCmike says:

    From Wikipedia:

    “Lee ran for the U.S. Senate in 2010. At the Republican State Convention, he received 982 votes (28.75%) on the first ballot, defeating[clarification needed] Tim Bridgewater and incumbent U.S. Senator Bob Bennett. Bridgewater, however, won the second and third ballots to win the party endorsement. Both Bridgewater and Lee received enough support to have their names placed on the primary ballot.[citation needed]

    In the primary election, held on June 22, 2010, Lee became the Republican nominee by winning 51 percent of the vote against Bridgewater’s 49 percent.[10]

    Lee won the general election on November 2, 2010 with 62 percent of the vote to Democrat Sam Granato’s 33 percent and Constitution Party candidate Scott Bradley’s 6 percent.[11]”

    -Wes can go there and change this if they are lying as well.

  45. NYCmike says:

    “Orrin Hatch is a longstanding institution in Utah.”


    Let him stay a “long” time “standing” as an “institution” in “Utah”, just don’t let him be replaced by Jon Huntsman in a state that may have another candidate similar to Mike Lee.

  46. Bitterlaw says:

    Mannix actor was married to his wife since 1949. Wes hardest hit.

  47. NYCmike says:

    -Wes describes Utah’s system like this:

    “denying voters the right to select candidates so a bunch of fringe activists can circumvent the masses and install their personal preferences as nominees.”

    I guess WES KNOWS BETTER than all of Utah, where they ask delegates, chosen by their neighbors, to serve 2-year terms, while carrying out their duties, which include the election of candidates and the writing of the party platform.

  48. jason says:

    Sad day here in Amishland. Had to put down my faithful friend and companion of 15 years.

  49. jason says:

    It was hard to pull the trigger but had to be done.

  50. NYCmike says:

    Wes, the self-proclaimed election genius, who either voted for Obama, or NOT AT ALL, on the “President” line on the ballot, is worried about “fringe activists” who are chosen by their neighbors and make a 2 year commitment…….oooohhhhh, now I see the problem….that last word…..COMMITMENT!

  51. Senators Reid, Coons, Donnely, McCaskill, and Benett says:

    Lay off NYC, we owe him a huge debt of gratitude.

  52. NYCmike says:

    Dang, sorry to hear that jason.

  53. NYCmike says:

    -This is great! Maybe Pelosi will go out and tour “fly-over country”. That may put more states into the Republican fold.

  54. NYCmike says:


    I warned them 4 years ago, and I knew it when he was still in the House.

    He is not going to change.

  55. Bitterlaw says:

    Sad day here in Amishland. Had to put down my faithful friend and companion of 15 years.

    Damn. Jason’s wife forgot to put apple butter on the table and this is the price?

  56. Bitterlaw says:

    I made a bad joke. I’m an A-hole. What do you want?

    I prefer the vet using a needle to inject the pet but that’s just me.

  57. Bitterlaw says:

    I am sorry that Jason lost his companion.

  58. marc says:

    Yesterday forced massive resignation from the Dept of State of senior staff is a good sign that the Trump Administration is purging the govt of Obama’s hacks and the few Bush RINO’s who stayed after he left office.

  59. Mr.Vito says:

    “Sad day here in Amishland. Had to put down my faithful friend and companion of 15 years.”

    Did You find out she went to the women’s march?

  60. Mr.Vito says:

    Wow. Mr. Bitter went there before I did? You got guts, man.

  61. Mr.Vito says:

    Sorry to hear it, Jason.

  62. Mr.Vito says:

    57 What kind of leader doesn’t speak for his caucus?

  63. Senators Reid, Coons, Donnely, McCaskill, and Benett says:

    I have been married 24 years so the timing would not work out.

    Yes, it was the dog.

  64. jason says:

    Huh, thanks senators, for speaking for me as well as for NYC.

  65. jason says:

    Thanks for the kind words. Little guy will be missed.

  66. Wes says:

    No, Mike. I didn’t mean I was upset Lee challenged Bennett. I was taking umbrage with your insistence that I think incumbents should never be challenged.

    Of course I don’t like the way Lee did it even if the UTGOP allows such a stupid process. Gaming the system to deny the opposition ballot access as Lee did is an Obama maneuver.

    For someone who claims to oppose the kind of politician Obama was, you too should have opposed the way Lee became Senator.

  67. Wes says:

    Sorry about your dog, Jason.

  68. jason says:

    I prefer the vet using a needle to inject the pet but that’s just me.”

    Well, that’s 200 bucks, I can make my own bullets for about 50 cents each.

  69. Mr.Vito says:

    Washington Times:

    Trump argument bolstered: Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, study finds

  70. jason says:

    I loved that dog, but I don’t really need a private cremation and the ashes on the mantelpiece.

  71. Mr.Vito says:

    “Well, that’s 200 bucks, I can make my own bullets for about 50 cents each.”

    The 200 bucks is really for therapy. If you don’t need it, you don’t need it.

  72. Wes says:

    That’s concerning, Vito, but a lot less than Trump needed to get a popular vote plurality.

  73. jason says:

    How many votes did Trump get from non-citizens. It would make sense that he got some.

  74. Mr.Vito says:

    76 That was actually net votes.

  75. jason says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if non-citizens voting cost Ayotte the election….

  76. Bitterlaw says:

    Well, that’s 200 bucks, I can make my own bullets for about 50 cents each.

    Don’t tell Negan.

  77. Mr.Vito says:

    It is just an extrapolation based on polling that 6.4 percent of non citizens voted. I am surprised that 6.4 percent would admit this to a pollster… if so, I have to assume the true number is higher.

  78. Wes says:

    I doubt it, Jason.

    It was a perfect storm of no help from the top of the ticket and a Deadender running explicitly to split Ayotte’s vote and help Hassan win.

  79. jason says:

    Trump Administration is purging the govt of Obama’s hacks and the few Bush RINO’s who stayed after he left office.”

    Yes, let’s combat Obama’s politicizing of the State Dept. but, hmmmm, politicizing it.

  80. Bitterlaw says:

    Now that we know how Jason takes out those he cares about, MD got out easy.

  81. Mr.Vito says:

    However, it is enough to justify Trump looking into it…

  82. jason says:

    Well it was close enough that what, 1000 illegals voting would make a difference?

    I don’t think its beyond the realm of possibility.

  83. jason says:

    I really like Bitter.

  84. Wes says:

    Um, Bitter…


  85. Mr.Vito says:

    I hope Mr.Bitter never needs to be put down. Die in your sleep on a Coke high, my friend.

  86. Wes says:


    Bitter consumes the nose candy?

    Didn’t see that coming.

  87. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Never tried it. I can’t kick my soda addiction. If I was on real drugs, I would be living under a bridge within a year.

  88. Bitterlaw says:

    My son got another small tattoo. I flipped out, He told me that my wife said it was his life and he could do what he wanted. I flipped out again.

    Pretty silent in the Bitter Estate for a day. I told my wife that I will never get divorced so she should just kill me in my sleep. I have survived the last 2 nights so tensions may have eased. Of course, she might just want me to think that.

  89. Mr.Vito says:

    Pemberton invented the stuff to wean himself off his morphine addiction.

  90. NYCmike says:

    “For someone who claims to oppose the kind of politician Obama was, you too should have opposed the way Lee became Senator.”

    -Mike Lee followed the rules of Utah. Why would any sane person oppose that?

    As for Obama, I oppose his policies.

    The kind of politician Obama is just like most other politicians, I don’t trust them, and look to verify anything before accepting it as my own.

  91. NYCmike says:


    No need to be yelling, just start making him pay his own way.

    Damn, even Cosby knows that!

  92. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Just to explain the Utah caucus system:

    First, there is a neighborhood caucus. They are well publicized and often have a high attendance. I attended many of them when living in Utah, and found them great experiences. You have a chance to meet and talk to your neighbors, and have an interesting discussion on issues with them. At the caucus a delegate to the state convention is selected. Those who want to be delegates announce it at the caucus, and are allowed to speak and explain why they want to serve — in most cases the neighbors already know them.

    Second, at the state convention, which often involves thousands of delegates, candidates for office are voted on. To be nominated by convention, you need 60% of the vote. Otherwise a regular primary election is held to select a candidate.

    In about 2016, Utah enacted a law to require a primary if a candidate obtained a certain number of signatures. So a primary now is required if a candidate does not received 60% of the vote, or a candidate collects the required number of signatures.

    What is nice about the caucus system is people who are making decisions do so at a meeting where issues have been discussed, and they pick a delegate who was part of the process who they have become familiar with.

    California has soured me on primaries. People vote blinding, often based on shallow and inane campaign literature. Often voters are voting for candidates they know nothing about. The caucus system ensures those making the decision as to candidates are better informed, and politicians held more accountable.

    By the way, I was a Bennett supporter. Unfortunately he lost touch with his constituency. Believe it is time for Hatch to retire. Chaffetz would be a good candidate, there is also talk of Josh Romney.

  93. NYCmike says:

    “Pretty silent in the Bitter Estate for a day.”

    -That sounds pretty good to me!

  94. NYCmike says:


    Thanks much for that first-hand, NON-IGNORANT (?) description of the caucus political process in Utah.

    3…2….1….and now for another word from Wes, the person who seeks to take MD’s place as “The Omnipotent One”.

  95. PresidentPaul! says:

    Huntsman and Hatch are both really bad choices for senate.

  96. Diamond Jim says:


  97. Bitterlaw says:

    Well, here is somebody who did not get a pardon. I guess Obama doesn’t see any use for him any more.

  98. Bitterlaw says:

    Stalinist Soviet Union was doing better than present day Detroit.

  99. Robbie says:

    Credit where credit is due. If Trump handles his presidency the way he handled his press conference with Theresa May, his presidency will be a big success.

    As for the poll between Huntsman and Hatch, I’m all for Hatch. Huntsman is a Democrats masquerading as a Republican and he would consistently try and stifle conservative efforts.

  100. Robbie says:

    Wobbles says:
    January 27, 2017 at 10:01 am
    “Ras has Trump down FOUR points”

    – Jason, don’t embarrass yourself like this. I don’t care what Rasmussen says. I don’t put any value or faith in robo-polling.

    I wish Trump’s approval rating was as high as Rasmussen suggests because, if he wins re-election in 2020, he will very likely replace Ginsburg and Breyer on the Supreme Court. That would mean SEVEN Republican appointed justices.

  101. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    104. “Credit where credit is due. If Trump handles his presidency the way he handled his press conference with Theresa May, his presidency will be a big success.”

    et tu Robbie.

    Am actually beginning to like Trump in a way; I can’t help it.

  102. Hugh says:

    52. Really sorry to hear. Be happy you got 15 years my last dog only made it 10. Putting her to sleep was the saddest moment of my life. I really feel for you.

  103. Robbie says:


    I must admit, I share a similar feeling. I find myself always wanting to not like him and come away feeling differently. The more under control he remains, the more positive about him I will feel.

  104. Trump says:

    Jeb sucker, save the sanctimony.

    Trump didn’t need you yesterday, he doesn’t need you tomorrow.

    Go back to sucking Jeb.

  105. Trump says:

    Nobody cares about your feelings.

  106. NYCmike says:

    “Am actually beginning to like Trump in a way; I can’t help it.”

    -It’s something about New Yorker’s, people can’t help but like us!


  107. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “-It’s something about New Yorker’s, people can’t help but like us!”

    What is it out of curiosity?

  108. NYCmike says:

    “Huntsman is a Democrats masquerading as a Republican and he would consistently try and stifle conservative efforts.”

    -When Robbie and I agree on the politics of a person, then you know that person is suspect.

  109. NYCmike says:

    “What is it out of curiosity?”

    -It could be our devilish good looks, our worldly ways, the hem of our pants…..

    It could also be that since the universe spins around NYC as its axis point, people from out-of-town get dizzy (as if they are on a “high”), and react in a positive way.*

    *Please note, there are some that react violently to these highs. They are usually old geezers from small towns in West Virginia that travel with livestock.

  110. Bitterlaw says:

    I like New York’s Big City Values.

    Walt can suck it.

  111. NYCmike says:

    NYC is a small town at its core!

  112. CashCow TM says:

    Teresa May and Trump might.

  113. DW says:

    SHOCK STUDY: Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens…

    …Obama did suggest that they should have their voices heard.

  114. CashCow TM says:

    “They are usually old geezers from small towns in West Virginia that travel with livestock.”

    Walt and I heard that…

  115. Walt says:


    Sorry about you having to put your dog down.

    They become our pals.

    I cried like a baby when I had to take my last dog to the vet and have him put down.

    Took his body back home and buried him in the back yard with the other dog we had prior to him.

    While I was digging through the rocks, I sometimes wondered why I had a penchant to have large dogs.

    The (then) boys and wife and I said a few words over him and finished the burial. It still brings tears to my eyes. Max was a wonderful pal for about 12 or so years. My buddy through thick and thin.

  116. Bitterlaw says:

    While I was digging through the rocks, I sometimes wondered why I had a penchant to have large dogs.

    lisab would say that it is because you are secretly gay.

  117. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “SHOCK STUDY: Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens…”

    In California you do not have to show ID when you vote, just sign in. You can register to vote by mail.

  118. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is a Democratic candidate for Congress in California telling people “they did not need papers” to vote. She lost, but subsequently became the head of the San Diego Democratic Party.

  119. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The City of San Francisco has attempted to reduce the voting age to 16.

  120. NYCmike says:

    -Byron York, meet jason.

    jason, meet Byron York.

  121. NYCmike says:

    Dems, or Republicans, when in control of Congress, should have repealed the immigration laws which they thought were unenforceable.

    But, they were all cowards.

    Now, let’s enforce the laws.

    Simple. Not easy, but simple.

    Author, enjoy Disney!

  122. NYCmike says:

    Send a message!

  123. NYCmike says:

    Pelosi is put together for an “very experienced” woman.

  124. PresidentPaul! says:

    btw if Trump opts against Pryor, we could see a scenario where Thomas is that last and final originalist on the court.

    The thinking is always just punt it down the road for the next republican, but Democrats have been extremely successful at stopping in originalist from making it to the court.

    Best to force them to filibuster.

  125. NYCmike says:

    How any Republican could accept NOT nominating someone because the hearings may be “tough” and/or “contentious” should just curl up like a 6 year old having a temper tantrum!

    We have Congress! Get the nominee thru! Have the nice videos, have the witnesses, control the battle space!

    Get ‘er dun!

  126. lisab says:

    “lisab would say that it is because you are secretly gay.”

    walt’s gay?

  127. PresidentPaul! says:

    Yep and best to get them on record as trying to filibuster that way the republicans can filibuster then next Kagans and Sotomayors rather than just deferring to Obama.

  128. Wes says:

    John Hurt–Kane in Alien, John Merrick in The Elephant Man, himself/Kane in Spaceballs–has passed.


    He was one of the greatest character actors of the 20th Century.

  129. NYCmike says:

    That just looks weird!

  130. janz says:

    Sorry about the loss of your dog, Jason. Dogs/cats/others that are around you for so long leave a painful void, for sure.

  131. jason says:

    Thank you. It’s hard to walk into the kitchen and not see him following with a wagging tail and hopeful look that he might get a treat.

  132. jason says:

    walt’s gay?”

    Rumors are it was just for a short period during the Civil War.

  133. Mr.Vito says:

    These vicious rumors are solely based on Walts surname.

  134. Jake says:

    I must admit, I was a little pissed at Hugh Hewitt on his Never Trump attitude during the election, but the guy is brilliant. A great voice for the conservative movement.

    I was in awe of his handling of Charlie Rose on the Tv talk show. charlie would try to throw him off with interruption and liberal fake news points, but Hugh ate him alive

  135. Jake says:

    Wes, to this day, Alien was the scariest movie ever made.

  136. Jake says:

    Who is worse? Byron York or Jonah Goldberg? Both hacks

  137. Wes says:

    Byron York said Republicans would lose 2014 because it would be like 2006.

    Well, it was like 2006. That’s why the Dems lost big.

    It does help to do your research, Byron.

  138. Wes says:

    Jake, Alien is a great movie.

    It took a skilled director to turn a script that basically crammed ideas from pulp writer A. E. van Vogt and at least two 1950s/1960s B-movies into a coherent whole and make it scary, but Ridley Scott did it.

    Star-Beast–the original Alien spec script by Dan Obannon and Ronald Shusett–was even scarier. Of course for constraints of audience appeal and budget, the studio had to tone down the original script but still made an excellent movie.

  139. Wes says:

    RIP, John Hurt.

  140. jason says:

    Yep, Alien was an underwear changing movie.

    Some great scenes:

    When that thing comes out of the guy’s stomach and scurries across the floor…

    When the poor bastard is in the duct and the alien is approaching…

    When the alien comes out of the closet in the escape pod.(bonus you get to see Sigourney Weaver in her panties).

  141. Cash Cow TM says:

    Sometimes Walt is happy and gay.
    Sometimes he is sad and despondent.

    I do know that Fred Flintstone was gay–for sure.
    The song they played at the beginning of every episode had the words…”we’ll have a gay old time.”
    Flintstones. Meet the Flintstones.
    They’re the modern stone age family.
    From the town of Bedrock,
    They’re a page right out of history.

    Let’s ride with the family down the street.
    Through the courtesy of Fred’s two feet.

    When you’re with the Flintstones
    Have a yabba dabba doo time.
    A dabba doo time.
    We’ll have a gay old time.


  142. janz says:

    Jake, I’ve become quite a fan of Hugh Hewitt. His interviews are informative, and he seems to be very interactively involved in thinking about the legislative moves the new prez & Congress should be considering, in constructing their policy agenda going forward. Hewitt even wrote what he describes as a conservative playbook called The Fourth Way. Thune and Morris helped pass these books out to everyone attending last Thursday’s big Republican conference.

  143. Mr.Vito says:

    Hewitt voted for Trump.

  144. Mr.Vito says:

    148 Everyone knows the Flintstones were swingers… however, things might have got a little crazy down are the Fraternal Order of Water Buffalos.

  145. NYCmike says:

    Betty really helped get my rocks off!

  146. janz says:

    Hewitt was very critical of Trump, especially after the release of that damaging, embarrassing Hollywood Access tape. However, Hewitt kept going back to the importance of the SCOTUS selection, which pushed him into eventually voting for Trump. SCOTUS, plus how horrible HRC was, motivated a lot of us to place faith in Trump, despite some of his detestable behavior.

  147. NYCmike says:


    Earlier, were you speaking about Rose being interviewed by Hewitt, or vice-versa?

  148. NYCmike says:

    That was Jake, not janz.

  149. NYCmike says:

    Jake janz, jason – the “J”‘s have it!

  150. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt and Walt Whitman were close friends. The rest is pure speculation.

  151. Wes says:

    Regarding Alien, in the scene where the Alien bursts out of Kane’s (John Hurt’s) chest, Ridley Scott didn’t tell the cast other than Hurt about the scene so as to get a genuine fearful reaction.

  152. Robbie says:

    The freak out in the press today over Trump’s immigration order is so predictable. Their outrage meter is permanently pegged at 11 and it doesn’t help their cause. Not everything is a crisis, yet the press freaks out over every single thing he does.

  153. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – How do you rate The Ring (the American version)? I think it was one of the scariest movies I have seen.

  154. PresidentPaul! says:

    Mickey Kaus ?@kausmickey 8h8 hours ago
    Trump drops one of his 3 SCOTUS candidates because Senate won’t confirm. How authoritarian can you get? #DND

    Why not force them to be on record as filibustering rather than surrendering in advance?

  155. PresidentPaul! says:

    “Hewitt even wrote what he describes as a conservative playbook called The Fourth Way. Thune and Morris helped pass these books out to everyone attending last Thursday’s big Republican conference.”

    That reminds me of the The Fourth Political Theory by Alexander Dugin only Hugh Hewitt is a dumbass.

  156. PresidentPaul! says:

    Hewitt spent the entire primary bashing Trump and then wrote a book aka the fourth way about a new political movement Trumpism and how it can win.

    Might as well have John McCain write the Trump book rather than Hewitt.

  157. lisab says:

    Kolchak: The Night Stalker

    is scary

  158. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Sheriff Clarke: “I’m tired of one-percenters like Mark Zuckerberg and others lecturing us about who we are.”

    The tech H-1B visa program is the equivalent of a modern sweat shop, they import foreign workers at low wages, and work them long hours. The workers do not complain because if they loose their H-1B visa, they are deported. Tech got away with it because they funded the Democratic politicians, and warbled all the necessary progressive jargon.

    Even Mother Jones has taken criticized the program.

  159. Wes says:

    To be honest, Bitter, I preferred the Japanese Ring (Ringu). The American Ring is good for what it is but strips away some of the better parts of the story. (For instance, in Ringu, Sadako (Samara) has her powers for a deeper reason than just to scare the audience. She has a more complete backstory meshed into the story.)

    The American Ring is good but not as taut or scary as Ringu. There were parts where the kid was creepier than Samara, which made her feel less threatening in my view. Even so, Naomi Watts is good in her role, and I like the atmosphere.

    I give it four pale ghosts crawling out of the TV out of five.

  160. Cash Cow TM says:

    Walt just got his FBI background clearance approved for this part time, temporary job!

    He laid it down on the table and I got a peak.
    They said they are not considering that 6th grade spit ball incident in Mrs. Tabler’s 6th grade class.

    Then there were several other pages–with LOTS of the text redacted.

    –One item the said something about their concern over Walt being a former elected official in some shadowy group called HHR.

    –Another comment said he was a “cow talker.”

    –Another said they were unable to determine his true age.

    It goes on and on….

  161. Wes says:

    Walt must have the same number of growth rings as all the Sequoias combined.

  162. Bitterlaw says:

    Well, he did plant most of them.

  163. lisab says:

    does the fbi know you are gay?

  164. PresidentPaul! says:

    Pryor that is..

  165. Robbie says:

    The press is in a full blown meltdown over Trump’s immigration order.

    What, exactly, is wrong with temporarily suspending immigration from terror ridden countries while the vetting process is reviewed?

    I just don’t get it. This is one of those things that gets the Acela corridor wound up, but I can’t imagine the rest of the country is far less exercised by this.

  166. Robbie says:

    I favor Neil Gorsuch. He is just 49 years old, has an excellent educational background, and is probably to the right of Scalia and more in line with Clarence Thomas.

    Gorsuch favors doing away the so called “Chevron exemption which gives government agencies broad oversight to interpret their own regulations. This has been used by Obama extensively. Scalia supported it, but Gorsuch opposes it.

  167. Proud Obamacon says:

    So the Pussy Grabber in Chief wants to suspend immigration from Muslim countries that want to do us harm? Then why is immigration still allowed for Saudi Arabia? Weren’t most of the 9/11 hijackers from Saudi? Ohhh.. The Pussy Grabber has business in Saudi.. Got it!!!!

  168. PresidentPaul! says:

    After further reflection, I am more concerned with getting the Democrats on record as filibustering Trump’s first nominee than I am with worrying about minor differences in age or some such.

    It’s very important to establish a fighting precedence because nominees like Kagan and Sotomayor should be filibustered.

  169. PresidentPaul! says:

    And Bill Pryor is the ideal nominee for such.

  170. Proud Obamacon says:

    Get rid of the filibuster, bitch. Do it, please!!!

  171. PresidentPaul! says:

    Hmmm….I actually want to keep the filibuster because I think it’s likely we could control the senate in 2020 after 2018 stacked deck and a dem could be in the WH.

    I’d rather have the filibuster in case they have it in them to filibuster another Kagan or Sotomayor.

    However, I think it’s important to force the democrats hand right now to see if they do indeed want to try to filibuster Pryor, etc.

    If they do then yes go ahead and change it if can’t get the votes.

    Ideally, they’d try to filibuster and then lose a few votes and fail,

  172. PresidentPaul! says:

    If they did successfully filibuster the nominee it would be an ideal 2018 midterm issue though.

    Either way, provoking the democrats as much as possible is always the correct choice.

  173. Proud Obamacon says:

    Ok good, they all get filibustered!

  174. Proud Obamacon says:

    Confirm Garland, or they all get f’bustered.

  175. PresidentPaul! says:

    The Democrat plan: obstruct everything
    Hey Senate Democrats, get it now? VOTE NO ON EVERYTHING. Do NOT enable this monster

    Arizona Rep. Ruben Gallego said Friday that he thinks President Donald Trump is “mentally unstable.”
    “Yes, I do believe the president is mentally unstable,” Gallego, a Democrat, said on KTAR News 92.3 FM’s Mac & Gaydos. “I’ve said this thousands of times.”
    Gallego made similar comments on CNN in August when Trump was the Republican nominee, arguing at the time that, “this man is unstable, he’s unfit to be a presidential candidate.”
    Gallego, who was among the members of Congress to boycott Trump’s inauguration, said in the interview that he would not work with Trump because the president has not been transparent and because he is “not normal.”
    “I will not work with President Trump because President Trump has not been clear and transparent with what occurred during this election,” Gallego said. “I will not work with him to get an infrastructure bill until he releases his taxes, his disclosure to make sure that he’s not starting a kleptocracy. He should not try to stop or impede a investigation into the election interference in this election. There’s a lot of things that’s wrong with this president. Being Republican by the way is not bad. I think any other Republican would be very much easier to work with. This man is not normal. He is not acting normal. And there’s nothing that he’s done at this point for me that he’s proven that I should work with him. And I don’t think it’s gonna change.”(continued)

  176. Cash Cow TM says:

    “does the fbi know you are gay?”

    I assume you misspelled a word.

    Yes, I sent them a picture.
    The FBI knows that I am gray.
    Hair very gray.
    You could say white.

  177. Cash Cow TM says:

    Read this article on the link above.

    And don’t let the facts hit you on the a$$ on the way out.

  178. Cash Cow TM says:


    Walt told me to say that.

  179. Proud Obamacon says:

    #185 Ok moron. Dems aren’t the only ones who think the Groper is mentally unstable. GOP does too.

  180. Robbie says:

    CNN and MSNBC have scrapped their Saturday evening programming to broadcast live the protests against Trump’s executive order.

    I don’t get the big deal over what Trump signed, but the press is going to turn this into a national tragedy.

    The Trump team is simply going to have to do a better job of writing these documents and a better job of explaining them since the press is going to freak out on everything he does.

  181. Proud Obamacon says:

    Hell yeah, #resist… GOP showed the obstructionism wins. Obstruct obstruct obsruct !!!

  182. Walt says:

    MOO-ve over Cow!

    Here is an interest item.

    In WV Delegate Saira Blair made headlines as being the youngest member of any state legislature in the nation.

    She was elected in 2012, the same year I was defeated. In 2014 there more some more young guns elected to the WV legislature and I served with them 2015-16.

    Delegate S. Blair is from the same county I am from. I taught her dad in school and served with him when he and I were elected to the legislature in 2002. He moved on to the State Senate.
    Article in the WV State Journal I got today about other young people (ages 18-29) who were elected in WV in 2016 to be in the 100 member WV House of Delegates.

    Listed from youngest first:

    20 yr old–Josh Higgenbotham (R)
    20 yr old–Saira Blair (R)
    20 yr old–Ben Queen (R)
    23 yr old–Patrick Martin (R)
    24 yr old–Zack Maynard (R)
    26 yr old–Jordan Hill (R) sat next to him on floor
    26 yr old–Kayla Kessinger (R)
    28 yr old–Danny Hamrick (R)

    29 yr old–Robert Thompson(D)

    About 13% of the House Republicans are 29 and under 8 out of 63

  183. Trump says:

    Re-electing Trump, one #resist at a time.

    Re-electing Trump, one media freak out at a time.

  184. Trump says:

    No Trump voter changes his mind based on #resit or the media.

  185. Robbie says:

    The press (90% of whom are liberal) seem to believe if they tweet a sick burn of Trump and it gets a lot of retweets he’ll have to resign.

    Check out the top ten things trending on Twitter in the US. Only one has anything to do with this issue. The press bubble is in full effect.

  186. Trump says:

    The morons chant their resistance in SF and NY and LA Chicago.

    Do they know where Trump gets his votes?

  187. Proud Obamacon says:

    “No Trump voter changes his mind based on #resit or the media.”

    Good, he can keep his 38%!

  188. Trump says:

    Media has a 14% approval rating.

    Enough said.

  189. Trump says:

    Ha ha, fake polls.

    How did that turn out on nov 8?

  190. Trump says:

    Trump had 38% approval rating in exit polls on nov 8.

    306 electoral votes.

    Sucks to be you, moron.

  191. Trump says:

    So folks on CA and NY hate Trump.

    Who cares?

  192. Mr.Vito-Que says:

    I see fake Charles is back.

  193. Trump says:

    Here’s a clue, PO.

    GOP could “obstruct” because they controlled congress and most states.

    Dems? Ha ha ha ha ha

  194. DW says:

    Drudge reporting that CA is threatening to stop sending funds to Washington, and is threatening to leave the union.

    Imagine Democrat chances going forward without CA and its 55 electoral votes.

  195. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Trump had 38% approval rating in exit polls on nov 8.

    306 electoral votes.”

    Because we didn’t vote. Now the sleeping giant is awake, MO-ronnnn!

  196. Trump says:

    As your dear leade was so fond of pointing out, “win some elections”.

  197. Trump says:

    What sleeping giant?

    The puss$ riot squad?

  198. Proud Obamacon says:

    “win some elections”

    We were in a slump, but have broken out. Watch out !!

  199. Trump says:


    Two points

    California is not going anywhere. There is no process for seceding from the nation. I seem to remember some states trying.

    Feds get their revenue, not from the state, but from individuals – income tax, and fica/Medicare taxes. The state doesn’t even see that.

    All this is just supreme butt-hurt of the losers talking.

  200. Proud Obamacon says:

    Is America Great Again yet?

    America Just Sent Back A Syrian Woman Trying To Visit Her Sick Mother

  201. Trump says:

    Meanwhile, your leaders are trying to figure out how to talk to whites.

    Man, the winning never stops!!

  202. Robbie says:

    The only problem I really have with this executive order from Trump is it affects people who already have green cards. I don’t agree with that and hope they correct the issue quickly.

    It might be wise for Trump to hold off on any more EO’s until his cabinet is approved. Were Sessions already AG, his staff might have spotted some of these problems.

    One thing I hope Trump now realizes is the press is never going to like him so he should stop worrying what they say about him.

  203. Trump says:

    In case you ignored the last two years, Trump has never cared about what the press said.

  204. Mr.Vito says:

    I see the boxes of tissues are out.

  205. Proud Obamacon says:

    What does sending the syrian woman back have to do with media? She can’t visit her sick mother?

  206. Proud Obamacon says:

    Is America Great Again yet?

    Hours after Trump’s EO banning muslims, a mosque in TX goes up in flames.

  207. Trump says:

    It’s a start

  208. Proud Obamacon says:

    Which mosque are you burning next?

  209. Trump says:

    Hollywood in meltdown…

    I say, have the IRS investigate film industry accounting.

  210. Trump says:

    I think the Muslims set the mosque on fire.

  211. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jeffrey Lord just claimed that the Muslim ban is ok because America previously discrimininated against Japanese. Then he said the discrimination against the Japanese was completely wrong.


  212. Proud Obamacon says:

    “I think the Muslims set the mosque on fire.”

    Alternative Facts ! LOL

  213. Trump says:

    As good as any facts.

  214. Proud Obamacon says:

    “As good as any facts.” Like I said, 38% is your ceiling. Enjoy it and enjoy your alternative facts, loosah

  215. Trump says:

    Loving every moment of it, lol.

  216. Trump says:

    “Miami-Dade Mayor Reverses County’s Status as Sanctuary City”

    “British Alignment with Trump Threatens European Order”

    “Trump’s radical,immigration plan: Enforce the law.”

  217. Trump says:

    All this, and his cabinet is not even in place yet.

  218. Trump says:

    I think the Dems need to get his cabinet in place pronto, just to rein Trump in.

    Otherwise he will just keep issuing directives daily.

  219. Trump says:

    Trump believes in ” dense-pack strategy”.

    Notice how thevKeystone pipeline and the Dakota pipeline are off the news.

  220. Mr.Vito says:

    Trump has instated lobbying bans for government officials.

  221. Trump says:

    Chuck Todd: Media knew how hated Hillary was in the heartland, and we downplayed it.

    Ha ha ha ha.

    Keep burning your cities, #resisters. It provides great comic relief to us in the rest of the country.

  222. Robbie says:

    Trump’s first week was an up and down one. He had good moments with the unions, his presser with Theresa May, and his speech to Republicans. The down moments were self inflicted though. Crowd size, election fraud, and immigration were trip ups.

    I’m not surprised that someone with zero elected experience and a staff with no White House experience have struggled. It’s just one week, but Trump would be wise to bring on some advisers with White House experience.

  223. Marc says:

    You mean like the advisors who advise Jeb, Romney and McCain to defeat and George W Bush into a disastrous war? You mean those experienced advisors?

  224. jason says:

    “Like I said, 38% is your ceiling.”

    Yep, you said a lot about ceilings during the campaign…

    Hillary didn’t break any.

  225. Trump says:

    There is no downside, dolt. Only for haters like you.

  226. jason says:

    “win some elections”

    We were in a slump, but have broken out. Watch out !!”

    When did you break out?

    2016 was a freaking disaster for Democrats.

  227. jason says:

    There is no downside, dolt. Only for haters like you.”

    Wobbie, when Trump calls you a Jeb Sucker, he means it in a loving way.

  228. Trump says:

    237: No, I don’t.

    Though Robbie is certainly a Jeb sucker in a loving way.


  229. lisab says:

    The American Civil Liberties Union announced Saturday evening that a federal court in New York had issued an emergency stay on President Trump’s executive order banning immigration from seven predominantly Muslim countries. The court’s decision, which will affect people who have been detained in airports, came after the ACLU and other activist groups filed a class action lawsuit on behalf of two Iraqis who were held at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York as a result of the order.

  230. Walt says:

    Based on the Nation Review article, a think there is confusion on the immigrants already here with green cards.

    Apparently, green card holders have already been thoroughly vetted (?).

  231. lisab says:

    obama has packed the courts for 8 years

    i bet almost everything he does will be blocked this way

  232. Walt says:

    WV House of Delegates has 9% of the body who are 29 years old or under.

    The national average of 29 and under in state legislative bodies is 5%.

    So WV with the nations OLDEST population, has maybe the HIGHEST % of 29 and under in one of the two legislative bodies.

  233. Walt says:

    And one under 30 (another R) who was elected in 2014 was defeated in 2016.
    And of the legislators from these 3 farthest east WV counties we have:

    In House of Delegates:
    –an R 20 year old female (first elected in 2014)
    –an R Hispanic delegate (first ever in state; elected in 2014)
    –an R recently elected who has an Hispanic wife
    –an R Black female (first elected in 2014)
    –an R white male newly elected who has 9 kids including 2 they adopted from South America
    –an R white male who has several children and one adopted child
    –and 3 other white R males
    –and one D white male (who won in my district)

    In the Senate:
    –an R Hispanic woman who came here from Venezuela
    –an R white male whose father-in-law is Black
    –an R white male
    –a D white male

    I thought Ds were supposed to be the party of diversity? Guess not.

  234. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    232. “The down moments were self inflicted though. . . .,and immigration were trip ups.”

    Do your really believe that the majority of Americans support immigration from Arab countries? Don’t you think they are watching what is happening in Germany? Trump baits the press, who falls for it, and have a hissy fit and act like total fools (which they are).

  235. Cash Cow TM says:


    My understanding is that immigrants coming here to the U.S. from those 7 much turmoil, isis controlled or big isis influence (Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Somalia (?) and two others) can still be allowed entry after full and thorough vetting is done by State Dept. on a case by case basis.

    Of course, look how long it took the FBI to grant clearance to Walt.

  236. Cash Cow TM says:

    hissy fit

    sit if shy
    is shifty
    Shifty? Si.
    fist his Y
    his stify
    I fish sty

  237. Cash Cow TM says:

    hissy fit

    Sit, fishy! 🙂

  238. lisab says:

    not any more

    the judge ruled that all people from those countries have priority entrance clearance for the usa

  239. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    248. Believe the judge’s ruling regarding immigrants only applied to those already in the U.S. Can see the point in that situation; will fault Trump on not exempting those already here or in transit from his order.

  240. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    208. Obamacon: “win some elections” We were in a slump, but have broken out. Watch out !!

    Attention passengers, this is Captain Obamacon of the Titanic. Never fear, although one third of the ship is under water, the remaining 2/3 is above water, and sticking higher up in the air than eveeer! Were on our way up, not down.

  241. Mr.Vito says:

    Stephen Miller, a senior adviser to the White House, said, “Nothing in the Brooklyn judge’s order in anyway impedes or prevents the implementation of the president’s executive order which remains in full, complete and total effect.”

    …Under Trump’s order, it had appeared that an untold number of foreign-born U.S. residents now traveling outside the U.S. could be stuck overseas for at least 90 days even though they held permanent residency “green cards” or other visas. However, an official with the DHS said Saturday night that no green-card holders from the seven countries cited in Trump’s order had been prevented from entering the U.S.

    Sounds like the judge did squat…

  242. Bitterlaw says:

    I will have to think through this bam. There has to be a way to let some refugees in. These people want to come here legally. Always remember that with the exception of Jason, none of us did a damn thing to become an American citizen except being born.

  243. Barrett says:

    Bitter, I don’t know what to make of the ban. I watched “Meet the Press Today”, and Reince Preibus said that it’s main purpose is to give customs/immigration time to improve their screening techniques, and it gives intelligence agencies time to catch up on their “to-do” list. I could agree with that.

    On the other hand, Trump did say he would give Christians preference, which is just an obvious example of religious discrimination. I haven’t made up my mind about this yet.

    I will tell you one thing, the ban does pass my first litmus test. It has Chuck Todd going absolutely insane. Watching him meltdown on meet the press is absolutely satisfying.

  244. Barrett says:

    Reuters/Ipsos: Approve 43, Disapprove 45
    Economist/YouGov: Approve 43, Disapprove 39
    PPP: Approve 44, Disapprove 44
    Quinnipiac: Approve 36, Disapprove 44
    Rasmussen Reports: Approve 55, Disapprove 45
    Gallup: Approve 42, Disapprove 50

    Approve 44%
    Disapprove 44%
    Unsure: 12%

    Not bad, given all the “controversy”

  245. janz says:

    Over at the legal insurrection blog there is a detailed analysis of the immigration ban. It compares it to the Obama administration’s ME policy to limiting visas and what countries were cited as ones to watch. Ironically, the list was a mirror image of the current list put out by the Trump administration. The primary difference is how the MSM is treating it.

  246. janz says:

    It’s amazing how when you combine CAIR/Soros funded protests, with lots of MSM negative publicity, the by-product is chaotic confusion. In the meantime, the Iraqui interpreter, Darweesh, who was detained because of the ban, was first embraced by the Dems as a victim of Trump’s overzealousness, until he said he “liked” Trump. He was then edited out of the ABC feed. Oops…..

  247. Robbie says:

    The inclusion of green cards in this order was/is a mistake. People who have lived here for years and just happened to be traveling out of the country at the wrong time should not be punished like this. This is a small issue that can and should be corrected quickly.

  248. Marc says:

    I rather the enforcement be overzealous then relaxed, in the end it works itself out. There is no right for non citizens to enter this country

  249. Mr.Vito says:

    Well according to article above they were not included…

  250. Trump says:

    Send all refugees to Canada.


  251. BayernFan says:

    Send them back so they can make changes in their home countries. We can give them Princess Leia Resistance posters.

  252. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    January 29, 2017 at 12:53 pm
    Well according to article above they were not included…

    – Green card holders were included. The recommendation of DHS and some on Trump’s staff was that they should NOT be included. Populist bozo Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller overruled and decided they should be included.

    Green card holders are already legal residents of the US. I acknowledged this only temporary, but Trump’s team chose to pick a fight on an issue that was not worth the effort. Trump claims to be concerned by the optics of anything and everything, yet the pictures at the airports are bad for him.

    What Steve Bannon did was give Democrats a rallying cry in the first week of his presidency when they really had none. A mistake.

  253. Robbie says:

    Just to be clear, I have no problem temporarily pauses immigration from countries that are rife with terror related issues. Unfortunately, it appears Trump and Bannon rushed this product and didn’t allow the normal groups to vet the order for unintended consequences. The fact the Office of Legal Counsel didn’t see this bad.

  254. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON is offended by the word p-sy in a private conversation11 years ago but is just fine with Bill Clinton getting BJs in the Oval Office and groping women.

  255. Mr.Vito says:

    So CNN says they are included and DHS says they are not.

    Who to believe?

  256. lisab says:

    “Silicon Valley” star Kumail Nanjiani tweeted: “This #MuslimBan is also messing up attendance at our bi-weekly ‘Undermine Western Civilization’ meetings.”

  257. lisab says:

    well presumably green card holders are already vetted

  258. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    January 29, 2017 at 1:32 pm
    So CNN says they are included and DHS says they are not.
    Who to believe?

    – Initially, green card holders were included in the order. This morning Priebus went on TV and said green card holders would no longer be included. After that, a White House statement said the entire order still stands, including the green card holders.

    Can we at least agree confusion is a big problem with this order? Again, they chose to pick a fight where none really existed. Unfortunately, Trump’s presidency seems to be operating like his campaign, off the cuff.

  259. lisab says:

    A thicket of U.S. Supreme Court rulings could limit the reach of the executive order issued by President Donald Trump last week meant to prod “sanctuary cities” into helping the federal government enforce immigration law.

  260. lisab says:


    Entire school in Jamaica gets possessed by evil demon…

  261. Mr.Vito says:

    “well presumably green card holders are already vetted”


  262. janz says:

    Here is something to think about.

    “Lately I get the feeling that Trump’s critics have evolved from expecting Trump to be Hitler to preferring it. Obviously they don’t prefer it in a conscious way. But the alternative to Trump becoming Hitler is that they have to live out the rest of their lives as confirmed morons. No one wants to be a confirmed moron. And certainly not after announcing their Trump opinions in public and demonstrating in the streets. It would be a total embarrassment for the anti-Trumpers to learn that Trump is just trying to do a good job for America. It’s a threat to their egos. A big one.

    And this gets me to my point. When millions of Americans want the same thing, and they want it badly, the odds of it happening go way up. You can call it the power of positive thinking. It is also the principle behind affirmations. When humans focus on a desired future, events start to conspire to make it happen.

    I’m not talking about any new-age magic. I’m talking about ordinary people doing ordinary things to turn Trump into an actual Hitler. For example, if protesters start getting violent, you could expect forceful reactions eventually. And that makes Trump look more like Hitler. I can think of dozens of ways the protesters could cause the thing they are trying to prevent. In other words, they can wish it into reality even though it is the very thing they are protesting.”

  263. lisab says:

    Children of the super-rich top 0.1% are ‘as disadvantaged’ as society’s poorest and need more help says Labour peer Lord Puttnam

  264. janz says:


    More judges are joining the legal fray of Trump’s recent immigration EO.

    “(Reuters) – Federal judges in three states followed one in New York in barring authorities from deporting travelers affected by U.S. President Donald Trump’s executive order imposing restrictions on immigration from seven Muslim-majority nations.

    The judges in Massachusetts, Virginia and Washington state issued their rulings late on Saturday or early on Sunday.”

  265. lisab says:

    talk about unintended consequences …

    in retaliation iran has banned usa citizens from travel to iran!!!

    there goes my vacation

  266. lisab says:

    so to protest trump’s order

    protesters are blocking travel in airports in ny, chicago and los angelas

    iowa unaffected

  267. janz says:

    Here’s an article by NRO’s David French (no less) clarifying Trump’s EO.

  268. lisab says:

    i will see your nro and raise you npr

    Ethics experts question whether that might indicate conflicts between Trump’s business interests and his role as U.S. president.

    The executive action, “Protecting The Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into The United States,” targets seven nations: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. Trump has no business interests in those countries.

  269. lisab says:

    The 19 terrorists in the Sept. 11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates, Myre points out. They are among the Muslim-majority countries not affected by Trump’s immigration freeze, but where Trump does business.

    He has significant commercial interests in Turkey and Azerbaijan, is developing properties in Indonesia and Dubai, and has formed companies in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. His daughter Ivanka said in 2015 that the company was looking at “multiple opportunities in Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Saudi Arabia — the four areas where we are seeing the most interest.”

  270. Barrett says:

    Of course LisaB would be fixated on regions of interest from 16 years ago…

    …rather than regions of interest today.

    ISIS supporters are not coming from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or the UAE. They are coming from Iraq and Syria.

    The fact that Trump has commercial interests in those country’s is a moot point. He has commercial interests in most countries. LisaB, I think your real problem with the ban is that it protects Christians.

  271. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 29, 2017 at 11:56 am
    Reuters/Ipsos: Approve 43, Disapprove 45
    Economist/YouGov: Approve 43, Disapprove 39
    PPP: Approve 44, Disapprove 44
    Quinnipiac: Approve 36, Disapprove 44
    Rasmussen Reports: Approve 55, Disapprove 45
    Gallup: Approve 42, Disapprove 50

    Approve 44%
    Disapprove 44%
    Unsure: 12%

    Not bad, given all the “controversy”

    – I agree with this. I see 45% as the new 50% for Trump. If he’s at 45% or better, I think he’s in relatively good shape. Below that, not so much.

  272. Robbie says:

    The Washington Examiner suggests Thomas Hardiman may be the most likely choice for SCOTUS. Apparently, Trump’s sister gave him a glowing recommendation. If you don’t know who Trump’s sister is, look her up.

    While I have a lot of faith in Leonard Leo, head of the Federalist Society, who is vetting judges, I do have a Souter-ish vibe when it comes to Hardiman. The bulk of Trump’s staff and Leo are pushing for Gorsuch who is my preferred choice.

  273. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    January 29, 2017 at 1:40 pm
    “well presumably green card holders are already vetted”


    – They are legal permanent resident holders. They have been vetted.

  274. Wes says:

    Just a thought:

    Couldn’t Moslems from terrorist-harboring countries pretend to be Christians so as to circumvent the ban and blow people up here in the US?

  275. Wes says:

    As long as Trump is even marginally treading water the next two years in November, things will be fine electorally.

    If not, Republicans are likely to face a voter backlash.

  276. Mr.Vito says:

    “They are legal permanent resident holders. They have been vetted.”

    That’s what I said.

  277. Mr.Vito says:

    “in retaliation iran has banned usa citizens from travel to iran!!!
    there goes my vacation”

    Does that include inspectors? Wink wink

  278. Mr.Vito says:

    “The executive action, “Protecting The Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into The United States,” targets seven nations: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. Trump has no business interests in those countries.”

    Since they know these things as fact, I guess they are clarifying that the left is lying when they say we can’t know what business interests Trump has because he won’t release his taxes.

  279. Mr.Vito says:

    “…countries pretend to be Christians so as to circumvent the ban and blow people up here in the US?”

    My understanding of extreme vetting is that they won’t just accept this at their word.

  280. lisab says:

    Of course LisaB would be fixated on regions of interest from 16 years ago…

    actually that is npr’s interests not mine

  281. Mr.Vito says:

    I guess this is all boring Dave.

    We need Trump to tweet something for Dave to complain about so we can get a new thread.

  282. Mr.Vito says:

    Meanwhile Trump apparently is going to ally with Russia to fight ISIS.

  283. Mr.Vito says:

    Schumer vows to fight… apparently he forgot he is powerless now.

  284. lisab says:

    We need Trump to tweet something for Dave to complain about so we can get a new thread.

    on it:
    Donald J. Trump ?@realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago

    Christians in the Middle-East have been executed in large numbers. We cannot allow this horror to continue!

  285. lisab says:

    Donald J. Trump ?@realDonaldTrump 7h7 hours ago

    Our country needs strong borders and extreme vetting, NOW. Look what is happening all over Europe and, indeed, the world – a horrible mess!

  286. lisab says:

    corie suddenly hates cutler

    Jay Cutler happy with Donald Trump’s victory

    The Bears quarterback spoke with reporters Thursday for eight minutes about football and his team. Then he was asked about Donald Trump’s victory in the presidential election.

    He broke into a smile.

  287. lisab says:

    “I’m happy with the [election] results,” Cutler said. “I’ve supported Trump for a while. I’m not going to dive into it. I know it’s a sensitive issue. I like where it’s going.”

    Cutler was the first Bears player to publicly endorse Trump since he defeated Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton on Tuesday.

  288. Mr.Vito says:

    I need something Dave would complain about… you got sex tape references or exaggerations about polling?

  289. Mr.Vito says:

    Cutler wants to start winning again.


  290. lisab says:

    will fake news work?

    Donald J. Trump ?@realDonaldTrump 7h7 hours ago

    Somebody with aptitude and conviction should buy the FAKE NEWS and failing @nytimes and either run it correctly or let it fold with dignity!

  291. DW says:


  292. lisab says:

    302 — ouch, that was harsh

    funny, but harsh

  293. Mr.Vito says:

    That might work.


  294. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    January 29, 2017 at 2:45 pm
    “They are legal permanent resident holders. They have been vetted.”

    That’s what I said.

    – Gotcha. Wasn’t sure if your comment was sarcasm laced or not.

  295. Robbie says:

    I wish they would refer to this as enhanced vetting rather than extreme vetting.

  296. Robbie says:

    This is smart. A change of subject would be a good idea.

    Jonathan Karl ?@jonkarl 32s32 seconds ago
    WH SOURCE: The WH is preparing for an earlier announcement of @realDonaldTrump’s pick for Supreme Court – likely Tues, possibly tomorrow

  297. Walt says:

    “But the media should also be truthful with the public and instead of claiming Trump singled out seven countries, it should note that the US Congress and Obama’s Department of Homeland Security had singled out these countries. It should have told us about the Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 rather than pretend this list was invented in 2017. Trump’s executive order said “countries of concern,” it didn’t make a list. That list was already made, last year and years before.”

  298. lisab says:

    “That list was already made, last year and years before.”

    i think that is the idea

    to basically do things obama already did, but that the media did not object too

    i expect trump to propose trumpcare, and release the same document as obamacare

    just to watch the media condemn it

    they never read it before, so how would they know?

  299. lisab says:

    who else thinks the oscars are going to be a hoot this year?!

    and lady gaga’s superbowl performance

  300. lisab says:

    just how long can someone stay enraged?

    the dems really need to take up yoga

  301. lisab says:

    soooooooo … i deal with troubled teens as something i do, but almost always girls, and usually girls with severe issues, i.e. down’s syndrome would be an easy one.

    however, i had to fill in for a few minutes and naturally, lucky me, a 19 year old teen boy decided to come ask for advice…. naturally about a girl, because … i obviously shot gandhi in my past life

    he is 19, the girl is 16. they don’t think it is a big deal because her parents have a 10 year age difference … but for some reason her parents don’t like it and he wants to know how he can get her parents to like him and be ok with it

    so, i said,

    lisab: well, don’t have sex with her in any way. just no sexual activity at all.

    19 year old don juan: the age of consent is 16

    lisab: for the police maybe, not parents

    and this is why they don’t usually let me council teen boys

  302. lisab says:

    counsel not council 🙂

  303. Robbie says:

    It will not happen, but, if were Trump to get rid of Steve Bannon, his presidency would improve greatly. I have to assume the backlash Trump has received over the executive order pushed by Bannon will diminish his standing with Trump.

  304. Mr.Vito says:

    Considering he is now putting Bannon in the National Security meetings, I’d say he isn’t diminished.

  305. SoHope says:

    I have a feeling Hardiman is a Souter

  306. RonN says:

    The media hails these protester as great Americans. Yet when the tea party protested they were treated as Deplorable’s.

  307. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    311. “just how long can someone stay enraged?”

    We live in a culture of outrage. People hunt every day for something to get outraged about. It will be a daily occurrence, the press seeks items to publish about Trump that will create outrage.

    It is one of the reasons that Trump won. There had to be someone who was politically incorrect and would not be intimidated by being called names on a daily basis.

  308. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    As someone put it: “frogs needs storks.”

  309. NYCmike says:

    Is Robbie for real?

    Where is this backlash he speaks about?

    More Dem protesters? Protesting what? A couple of green card holders got stranded somewhere?

    In the scope of everything going on, this is NOT the biggest deal in the world.

  310. NYCmike says:

    I don’t mean to be flippant about a stranded traveler, but the “concern” by Robbie about a backlash to Trump is just too funny.

  311. Trump says:

    Robbie the Jeb sucker assumes lots of things that are never so.

    As to the protesters and their enables, it’s just re-electing Trump one outrage at a time.

  312. lisab says:

    “Where is this backlash he speaks about?”

    you did not see the huge protest in iowa?

  313. JulStol says:

    Remember when Scott Walker broke the backs of the Unions in Wisconsin and we thought he might be doomed in the recall because of the massive demonstrations? Yeah, this is deja vu all over again.

  314. Trump says:


    Absolutely. I have never understood what the protests in places like SF, LA, NY, DC, Seattle and Chicago are supposed to achieve, except perhaps some minor mayhem in those cities.

    To the rest of the country, they are just entertainment on tv.

    And they are perfectly illustrating the divide between big cities and the rest, which was vividly apparent on Nov 8.

  315. SoHope says:

    Damn…please don’t agree with me bunu

  316. PresidentPaul! says:

    Your post made me suspicious

  317. PresidentPaul! says:

    Trump Sister wants her colleague Hardiman as Trump’s first pick.

  318. Bitterlaw says:

    I oppose any judge supported by Bunu. I support any judge opposed by Bunu.

    Bunu provides a valuable service here. We save a lot of time on research.

  319. PresidentPaul! says:

    I don’t want Hardiman at all..

  320. lisab says:

    well the dems are protesting that trump banned non-citizens that we know nothing about from war torn and/or radical muslim countries, for 90 days

    how do you think the scotus nomination will go?

  321. PresidentPaul! says:

    Hopefully every senate democrat filibusters Bill Pryor that way we can finally start filibustering their nominees (Kagan, Sotomayor etc next time) and we can get rid of the moderate republicans most of which I never liked anyways.

  322. Robbie says:

    The worst part of Trump’s election is it has caused NYCMike to believe his entire world view has been validated.

    A presidency that careens from one crisis to another is a recipe for a mess. We’re eight days in and this is the third day with significant protests across the country.

    Are most of the protests ridiculous? Yes. Are they probably professional agitators? Sure. Is the country probably behind these actions? I suspect yes. Is the media going overboard? Absolutely.

    That said, this pace will wear people out and he doesn’t have Clinton to use as a foil anymore because the election is over. Someone mentioned Scott Walker. Good point, but we never had to worry about Walker’s message discipline. With Trump we do.

  323. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 29, 2017 at 6:53 pm
    I don’t mean to be flippant about a stranded traveler, but the “concern” by Robbie about a backlash to Trump is just too funny.

    – And your slavish support of Trump is predictable since you are a great fan of dead enders who hurt the party.

  324. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    January 29, 2017 at 6:18 pm
    Considering he is now putting Bannon in the National Security meetings, I’d say he isn’t diminished.

    – I agree, but Henry VIII eventually got tired of Cromwell and had his head chopped off. Everyone but Kushner and Ivanka are expendable.

  325. Robbie says:

    Trump’s sister also spoke in srong support of Sam Alito at his confirmation hearings in 2006. Her support, on its own, shouldn’t be a disqualifier, but I get a Souter-ish feeling about Hardiman myself.

  326. Bitterlaw says:

    I agree, but Henry VIII eventually got tired of Cromwell and had his head chopped off.

    Fortunately, Walt was on vacation when that went down.

  327. Phil says:

    Yeah, I get a bad feeling about Hardiman as well. A POSSIBLE Souter. Don”t want to take that chance. No need for it.

  328. lisab says:

    trump should pick a scotus judge that is a consensus candidate

  329. lisab says:

    trump should probably work with mccain on the scotus pick

  330. JulStol says:

    Hardiman would be a bad choice. I recall saying Roberts was a bad choice.

  331. Bitterlaw says:

    Roberts was a very god choice. I disagree with him on the Obamacare decisions. His other rulings have been generally conservative.

  332. Cash Cow TM says:

    Several people were shot in Quebec, Canada at a Muslim mosque.

    I am not sure who I am supposed to blame.

    Still George W. Bush?
    Or am I now supposed to default to DJ Trump?
    Or is it man made Global Warming?
    Or the lack of stronger gun laws in the U.S.?

  333. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Absolutely veto a ban on assault weapons. (Jun 2011)”

    As the link indicated, Huntsman initially flip-flopped on this issue on a radio talk show. You don’t do that if your from Utah. People commonly carry; and there is a huge ownership of what are wrongly referred to as assault weapons.

    Below is a comparison of the number of concealed carry permits in Utah vs. Maryland.

    “Number of CCW holders in Maryland: 14,298. Number of CCW holders in Utah: 550,663. Population of Maryland: 5,976,000. Population of Utah: 2,943,000. Chances of running into a CCW holder in MD: 1 in 418. Chances of running into a CCW holder in UT: 1 in 5.3.”

    So which state has the higher murder rate: Maryland or Utah?

  334. lisab says:

    the shooters had ak-47’s reportedly

  335. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    347. “the shooters had ak-47’s reportedly.”

    Impossible. Canadian gun laws ban AK-47s.

  336. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    346. “So which state has the higher murder rate: Maryland or Utah?”

    In 2015:

    Maryland had the 3rd highest murder rate in the U.S.
    Utah had the 46th highest murder rate in the U.S.

  337. Cash Cow TM says:

    Sandy Eggo Citizen,

    Walt read what you said and wants to opine that another reason for higher murder rate in MD as compared to UT is that lots more people in MD have Big City Values as compared to UT;s Small town Values.

    Even if there were far fewer people in UT with CCWs, UT would still have less murder rate. I hope UT and WV always keeps their Small Town Values.

    I do not want to be a Cow victim when Big City Values have a drive by shooting when they are driving by my pasture land where I am peacefully grazing.

  338. lisab says:

    vermont has a lower murder rate than utah

    hawaii does

    even massachusetts has a pretty low murder rate

    and massachusetts has a few very crowed inner city areas

  339. lisab says:

    west virgian with its small town values was twice as high as massachusetts

    of course, massachusetts has nice bells

    which makes people feel better

  340. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    350. Let Walt know he is not correction; Utah is one of the most urbanized states in the nation, even more than California:

    Of the 3 million in the state; 1 million live in Salt Lake City or adjacent suburbs in the Salt Lake metropolitan area. Adjacent to the south, Utah Valley with Provo/Orem has 1/2 million, and the greater Ogden area north of Salt Lake City has another 1/2 million. It is a very urban state — Wasatch Front has about 2 million. The population in rural areas is not much of the state total.

  341. lisab says:

    quebec shooters may have yelled

    allah akbar

    with a quebec accent

  342. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Quote from the article: P

    “Population is even denser in Utah, where about nine of 10 people crowd onto just 1.1 percent of the state’s land, according to previous Census studies.”

    There crowded together, there heavily armed, and they are not killing each other that much.

  343. lisab says:

    well … we know who will be blamed for this at least

  344. lisab says:

    welcome to week 2 of 208

  345. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    351. Another bit of demographic trivia. Maine and Vermont, with the lowest murder rates in the country, also have the oldest populations. Utah has the nation’s youngest population.

  346. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    354. When they said there were two or three shooters, was wondering if they were Islamic terrorists. We will see how it turns out.

    If the shooters were Islamic terrorists, maybe the mosque was viewed as too moderate, or was a different sect of Islam.

    Do think Trump needs to acknowledge that a significant part of the Muslim population throughout the world are not terrorists, and many have fought in the American armed forces. Kurds are a leading example of this as strong American allies — however, believe Trump has praised them and recognizes it.

  347. Cash Cow TM says:


    Each person basically has within them either a
    –Big City Value System
    or a
    –Small Town Value System.
    Big City Values would include not respecting rights of others, not respecting public property, small value in your community, it is OK and a goal to have more anonymity and disconnection with your neighbors, wanting more government services, taxes, and involvement and control over your life by government if OK, pro open U.S. borders, less inclined to pray and be religious, believe in man made global warming, actually have heard of most of the panelists on the new TV show To Tell the Truth, desire to be a hipster, listen to rap music, etc.

    Small Town Values would be just the opposite of BCV above. Plus, STV includes belief of importance of the individual, belief in American exceptionalism, more religious, hard work ethic, cae more for your community and neighbors, etc.

    You can find residents of small towns who have Big City Values

    You can find residents of big cities who have Small Town Values.

    GENERALLY, in small towns you find lots more people with STV. (but not always)

    GENERALLY, in big cities you find most people with Big City Values (See San Francisco, Cleveland, NYC, Baltimore, DC, etc.)

    People with /STV MIGHT move to the big city and STILL KEEP their STV. OR, they MIGHT gradually begin absorbing BCV that will seep into their being and will lose their STV.

    People that have BCV and move from a city to a small town might keep their BCV or they might convert to STV.

    Salt Lake City IS a big city. But it could very well be inhabited by a big majority of STV people.

  348. Cash Cow TM says:

    This is wearing me out.
    Going to bed…

  349. lisab says:

    and it seems that, going by the murder rate, west virginians have big city values


    people from massachusetts have small town values

    got it 🙂

  350. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    360. Cow I think you on to something.

    However, lets get real, even if political incorrect. Over 75% of murders in the U.S. are gang-related, primarily African-Americans killing other African-Americans. In 2010-02012, the homicide rate for blacks in the U.S. was 19.4 per 100,000, while 2.5 for whites.

    In Chicago, home to a famed community organizer, there were around 761 murders, and 4331 shootings in 2016. Almost all by gangsters. The Chicago police keep a list of high-profile gangsters most likely to be killed – most those killed in 2016 were on that list.

    The U.S. has a gang and narcotic problem, particularly among young people of color. A state’s homicide rate is primarily determined by the size of its gang problem, which unfortunately is often determined by the size of its youth population of youth likely to be members of gangs, particular African-American and Latino youth.

    Salt Lake City has a gang problem, particularly among Latino and Polynesian youth, but it is no where near Baltimore’s.

  351. lisab says:

    utah has a polynesian gang problem?

    are there many polynesian gang members in west virginia then?

  352. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Yes, Polynesians represent about 13% of Utah’s gang members. And don’t mess with them. There is a rule if you even in a fight, be on the side with the most Polynesians. However, there also some of the nicest, most hospitable people you ever would met. Great college football players too.

    West Virginia has a relatively low murder rate, 3.8%, compared with 8.6% in Maryland. Utah at 1.8% and Massachusetts with 1.9% are some of the lowest.

  353. Bitterlaw says:

    Many of the same people demanding respect for Muslims also support Obamacare’s requirement that nuns have healthcare policies that pay for both control. Respect for religion is pretty selective with them.

  354. NYCmike says:

    “The worst part of Trump’s election is it has caused NYCMike to believe his entire world view has been validated.”


    My “world view” has been confirmed, regarding people like you, who are too lazy to look beyond the “massive protests” we have seen.

    Personally, I was not that thrilled with Trump’s first week, and said so (paraphrasing): “what’s with all of the EO’s?”.

    The only EO I wanted to see was the one repealing ALL of Obama’s, but I was let down. Considering that Hillary would not have done that either, my decision to back Trump still stands as the correct one.

    Now please get out there and tell us how Trump picked the wrong person for Supreme Court because of the massive protests against that person (there is always a potential for another Harriet Miers – WOW! – looking up that name again, I can almost understand Wes BDS!).

  355. NYCmike says:

    -Both of these links from Instapundit, a very nice site to visit for different types of news.

    Oddly enough, there are stories there which outright condemn Trump for the EO about a ban on immigrants from certain countries, and then there are stories which take a slightly different view. Both make good points.

    At this point, I’ll rely on the time-tested method of figuring out who is right: If the protests are in big cities where they make it harder for people to go about their personal business while leaving garbage for others to pick up, then the protests are organized by the left and should be ignored.

  356. NYCmike says:

    Wissing didn’t have a new thread for the NFL Pro Bowl?

    What is going on around here?!?

  357. NYCmike says:

    -This is for Robbie, he would have read the headline and believed it.

    Somehow got to this interview, with KellyAnne Conway, from September.

    I read the headline, and thought “She is usually on her game, let me see how they “SHAMED” her.


  358. NYCmike says:

    Seeing that Author is having a conniption over the EO as well.

    More proof that the hysteria is overblown.

  359. Phil says:

    Author is kind of predictable.

    Conservative fraud all the way.

  360. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is determined to always pick a fight rather than make a policy and persuade people why he is correct.

  361. NYCmike says:

    “Conservative fraud all the way.”

    -He keeps using the line “The party left me.”, while getting his information from the same sources as Robbie does.

    Then talks about wanting a 2006/2008 scenario to happen again.

    Mentions nothing about differing viewpoints.

  362. NYCmike says:


    When it comes to Executive Action, there is little need to persuade people he is correct, especially when the system has been so wrong for so long.

    Once any legislation is proposed, then the playbook will need to change, as that will have to include Congress. Right now, all of these moves are backed up with existing law.

  363. NYCmike says:

    My main concern going forward is how I am going to make my Final Four picks without the media covering President Obama’s choices.

    I have an odd feeling that President Trump will NOT be sharing his inside information with us. He will only share it with his hotels, so they can make trillion$ more from Russian bettors.

  364. Trump says:

    “Heartland voters shrug it off…” -Reuters

    The coastal non-trump voters are throwing a series of hissy fits.

    It’s great for his re-election.

  365. Trump says:

    Trump can get 90% of his agenda done by enforcing existing laws.

    Doesn’t even need EOs, just standard orders.

  366. Waingro says:

    Just peaking in, and I see this guy came back? LOL.

    ” Proud Obamacon says:
    January 28, 2017 at 7:40 pm “

  367. NYCmike says:


    I see Chuck Schumer was at one of the protests over the weekend.

    How surprising!

  368. Mr.Vito says:

    University of Virginia political science professor Larry Sabato agreed that the weekend protests over the executive orders would not hurt Trump politically.

    “His base is as firm as ever,” he said. “What he’s lost in the very early polls is the Republicans who were never Trumpers and ended up voting for Trump.”

    Trump opponents have succeeded in winning some early court decisions that could undermine the practical impact of his executive orders, but Sabato said his base would perceive those as attacks from liberal elites.

    Trump could eventually lose support if he fails to keep promises important to regions that supported him, such as delivering jobs to the so-called Rust Belt, the Midwestern states dotted by dying factory towns.

  369. Mr.Vito says:

    That is from Reuters.

  370. Mr.Vito says:

    Considering our nevertrumpers are shrugging it off… even Robbie (his problem is not so.much the order itself)… I think thereis reason to believe Sabato may be correct.

  371. Trump says:

    Thousands protest. Millions cheer.

    I think the Midwest is going through the same Dem to Rep alignment that the South went through.

  372. Trump says:

    Send all refugees to Canada.

    It’s win-win for everyone.

  373. Trump says:

    Later today, trump is going to axe regulations.

    Tomorrow, he is going to announce SC pick.

    As they say, flood the zone.

  374. Trump says:

    Pretty soon, protesters will just be running into each other.

    When you see a protest, you will have a hard time figuring out what it is about.

  375. marc says:

    The President has kept his promises to far and we should all expect him to pick a nominee tomorrow night in the mold of Justice Scalia, the Democrats will protest of of course but from the looks of it they wills protest just about anything Trump does.

    I am hoping he picks Judge Neil Gorsuch who has an establish record of being an originalist conservative jurist

  376. Phil says:

    “Send refugees to Canada”

    Yep, they can bond with the Hollywood celebs if we can ever get them to actually follow through on their promise to move there.

  377. Phil says:

    Neil Gorsuch would be helluva pick.

    Do it, Trump and let the juvenile lefties throw their fit. Cheap entertainment.

  378. marc says:

    He has kept all his promises so far,and he promised us many who voted for him for the expressed reason, a nominee in the mold of the late Justice Scalia.

  379. Waingro says:

    “Trump could eventually lose support if he fails to keep promises important to regions that supported him, such as delivering jobs to the so-called Rust Belt, the Midwestern states dotted by dying factory towns.”

    This is what it’s all about now. People seem to forget already that this was a realignment election. And let’s not forget the polls completely botched this region almost entirely.

  380. Mr.Vito says:

    “The two men arrested following the deadly shooting at a Quebec City mosque Sunday night are Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohamed Khadir, Radio-Canada has learned.”

  381. Barrett says:


  382. janz says:

    The left and congressional Dems are certainly not going to make any policy implementation or cabinet/jurist selections easy. The constant upheavals are tiresome to watch.

  383. Bitterlaw says:

    Here is a story you won’t see in American media:

  384. Greymarch says:

    Dems are going to filibuster the SCOTUS pick, no matter who it is.

    Fantastic! The senate filibuster should have never have existed in the first place. This guarantees its elimination. Tyranny by the minority has no place in a democracy.

  385. Bitterlaw says:

    I have never liked the filibuster. I did not like it when Republicans used it. I do not like it when Democrats use it. Man up and vote.

  386. janz says:

    It’s too bad some of the political drama couldn’t just take a brief holiday…..

  387. Wes says:

    The Senate started the filibuster as a means to keep the majority from steamrolling the minority. Unfortunately over time Senators came to abuse the rule. Naturally this has led to modifications over time. The worst example of abuse was when Democrats engaged in blanket filibusters of GWB’s judicial nominees from 2003 to 2005.

    The worst example of self-serving changes in the filibuster rules came in 2013 when Harry Reid eliminated the option for many appointees.

    Now it looks as if McConnell will have to eliminate the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees.

    It seems Democrats just can’t help abusing or destroying the Senate’s traditions.

  388. Wes says:

    The United States is a republic, not a democray, Grey.

    Democracy is the equivalent of three wolves and two sheep voting on dinner.

    I wonder what will be on the plate.

  389. Conservative Populist says:

    I agree w/ Bittlerlaw. Vote and move on. McConnell needs to get it in gear and get the rest of Trump’s cabinet nominees confirmed this week.

  390. NYCmike says:

    “People seem to forget already that this was a realignment election.”

    -Did Polaris get to Waingro?

  391. Wes says:

    1896 was a realignment election. 1932 was a realignment election. I wouldn’t classify an election where Republicans lost seats in both houses of Congress while their presidential candidate lost the presidential popular vote a realigning election.

  392. NYCmike says:

    I think patience is in order when it comes to the Supreme Court nominee. If Trump and the Republicans have prepared correctly, they should be able to get an up-and-down vote for the nominee, without getting rid of the filibuster.

    Focus all of the attention on those red-state Senators who are up for election in 2018, as well as those few who are up in 2020 and 2022. That will include Senators from Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania – places that until Nov 8th, were considered “fools gold”.

    Don’t even pay attention to hacks like Schumer, Durbin, Murray, etc. Pay attention to Senators from places that showed they are willing to go a different direction. Even Senators from Maine and New Hampshire will have to look at how they react to Trump’s pick.

  393. NYCmike says:

    Wes has declared that 2016 was NOT a realignment election.

    I am glad that it is now settled!

  394. NYCmike says:

    -I think janz mentioned this the other day. I still need to read it, but I figured I would link it here.

  395. NYCmike says:

    Portland looks like a nice place, to drive thru.

  396. Trump says:

    Portland is a sh1thole actually

  397. Wes says:

    I guess Mike hasn’t looked at actual realignment elections to see the markings of one. 2016 wasn’t one. That doesn’t mean 2020 won’t be. It just means 2016 wasn’t.

  398. Barrett says:

    My ex-wife lives in Portland. To hell with Portland. It’s a hipster paradise.

  399. Trump says:

    Here’s a idea. Ship all the muslim refugees to Portand and other sactuary cities. Then build walls around them. How you like them apples!

    Problems solved!

  400. BayernFan says:

    I had fun in Portland with my gf harassing the hipster “homeless”. They’re idiots. When they aggressively begged for our voodoo donuts we gave em an earful and the cops laughed at them.

  401. NYCmike says:

    “I guess Mike hasn’t looked at actual realignment elections to see the markings of one.”

    -No, I did not.

    That is why I went with your edict. I figured you had that angle covered, since you are not waiting for the last installment of GoT to come down from on high.

  402. NYCmike says:

    Women in Portland don’t shave their armpits!

    Down with Portland!

  403. NYCmike says:

    Never been. Heard it is a beautiful place. Not in a rush to go.

  404. Mr.Vito says:

    Cardinals had to forfeit their first two draft picks to the Astros and pay a fine for the hacking their employee did. I’m glad they addressed it harshly… the guy is un jail for it… hopefully no one in mlb will think about doing it again.

  405. Mr.Vito says:

    Portland has priced normies out of the city.

  406. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t think that wanting to inspire angry protests every day is the best strategy but what do I know? Trump does whatever he wants.

  407. PresidentPaul! says:

    American Thinker
    Judge Neil Gorsuch: Some Cause for Concern

  408. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    When Margaret Thatcher became prime minister of the United Kingdom, see stepped on toes and there were major demonstrations. Yet see prevailed, and is looked upon as one of the UK’s greatest prime ministers. See also reinvigorated what had been a stale economy.

    You don’t change the direction of the county without the entitled leftists howling.

    Do people really want open borders?, and several million people moving to the country from the Mideast? Look at what is happening in Germany.

    Leadership is not pandering to the leftist press or protests, but standing up to them and battling back.

  409. DW says:

    NBC: “Former President Obama issues statement critical of Trump’s immigration orders, praising protests”

    You knew Obama wouldn’t just go quietly and keep to himself.

  410. Mr.Vito says:

    Trump says he’ll do something…


    Trump wins anyway…

    Protest more.

    Trump keeps his promise…

    Protest even harder.


  411. jason says:

    It was not a realignment election. The country is very divided and neither Trump or Hillary (if she had won) could claim a strong mandate. The election was very close, very small swings in PA, WI, and MI would have resulted in a different outcome. However, Obama governed like he had a mandate for 8 years, when did he ever care that 60% opposed Obamacare?

  412. DW says:

    The protesters should have voted instead.

  413. Cash Cow TM says:

    Some Cow droppings….
    I’ll just leave these here.

    5% to 10%
    Portion of mid- and large-sized city budgets that comes from federal funding. President Trump signed an executive order to defund immigrant “sanctuary cities,” but it’s unclear whether he has the authority to do so and how much funding is at stake.

    Portion of California that is in “moderate” or “extreme” drought, down from 95 percent a year ago. The state was recently pummelled with rain and snow.

    140 days
    Time since New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has taken questions from state reporters. He appears to be following in the footsteps of President Donald Trump, who went 167 days without holding a press conference.

    THE RECORD | JANUARY 26, 2017
    Abortion clinics in West Virginia, as of last week, when the only other one closed.

    Decline in nonsworn police employees, which includes crime lab personnel, from 2008 to 2015. It represents the biggest drop among types of local government workers.

    GOVERNING | JANUARY 24, 2017
    $1 million
    Prize that Michigan is giving away to one or two people who come up with the best solution for keeping carp out of the Great Lakes. The fish threaten the ecosystem as well as the fishing industry.


    7 times
    The increased probability that someone who is 65 years or older will vote in mayoral elections, compared to 18- to 34-year-olds.

    GOVERNING | JANUARY 20, 2017
    $863.7 million
    Amount Moody’s will pay to settle a lawsuit over allegations that it misled investors when it issued positive credit ratings for shaky mortgage-backed securities before the 2008 financial crisis. The money will be divided between 20 states and the federal government.

    GOVERNING | JANUARY 19, 2017
    States that have no money in their rainy day funds, up from two last year. They are Illinois, Nevada, New Jersey and North Dakota.

    GOVERNING | JANUARY 17, 2017
    40 years
    Time span of Exxon Mobil’s internal climate change research that the oil company has to turn over to Massachusetts. The ruling was on the same day former CEO Rex Tillerson, Donald Trump’s pick for secretary of state, refused to answer U.S. senators’ questions about Exxon’s understanding of global warming.

    Portion of police officers — compared to 60 percent of the public — who believe that the recent deaths of black people at the hands of cops are signs of a broader problem.

    Portion of black officers that a police force needs to reduce violent interactions with black citizens, according to a new study. When black officers make up less than that, researchers found that violent interactions with black citizens could actually rise.

    $5.5 million
    Amount Montana agencies have agreed to give back to help close a projected $90 million state budget hole. Lawmakers promised to return 30 percent of the donated funds in 2019.

    Growth in private-sector wages from December 2015 to December 2016, which represents the highest year-over-year increase in more than seven years.

    The time period when the income gap between white men and black men started to widen again, after narrowing for four decades. By 2015, it had reverted to 1950s levels.

  414. Mr.Vito says:

    Some time in the future:

    In other news, day 1046 of protests over Trump’s agenda…

    Now for sports.

  415. Bitterlaw says:

    Good. I hope it hurt. 4 lives taken and hundreds of family and friends members devastated.

  416. PresidentPaul! says:

    This is what the student debt bubble is financing now days, and it’s all withing the L&S departments.

    “At 1:50 in the video clip, she goes, “And we need to start killing people. First off, we need to start killing the White House. The White House must die. The White House, your fu//ing White House, your fu//ing Presidents, they must go! Fu// the White House.”

    While she said that, another protester can be heard saying, “Burn it!”

    She also says, “White people, give your fu//ing money, your fu//ing house, your fu//ing property, we need it fu//ing all,” as another protester responds “reparations!”

  417. Cash Cow TM says:

    Bill Maher is usually a flaming liberal idiot on lots of things, but actually gives a good account in this interview of how Islam is not “just another religion”

  418. DW says:

    439 – we have been giving them our —-ing money for years now, its not our fault they wasted it.

  419. PresidentPaul! says:

    It’s why Bernie wanted free University education for all.

    They get funneled into L&S and brainwashed or brain-scrambled.

  420. jason says:

    oHope says:
    January 29, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    Damn…please don’t agree with me bunu”

    That’s tough, has happened to me a couple times too.

    But you can overcome it.

  421. janz says:

    #432. Good analysis. The same, though, could be said in the 2012 Romney/Obama race, where there were a number of “close” states which only needed relatively few votes to have flipped the states, changing the election’s outcome

  422. Waingro says:

    #412, I was referring to a “realignment” in a smaller, geographical sense, Wes. It’s no longer about “FL/OH/VA +1” anymore. VA is probably gonzo.

    My point is this was the best the GOP has done in the Rust Belt/Midwest on a presidential level in decades. (And I believe just about every GOP congressman did well in those states too.)

    Yes, those states were very close and Trump still lost solidly in the popular vote, but the fact remains that is where the election was essentially won and will likely be where the next election is won and lost.

  423. Waingro says:

    “It was not a realignment election. The country is very divided and neither Trump or Hillary (if she had won) could claim a strong mandate. The election was very close, very small swings in PA, WI, and MI would have resulted in a different outcome. However, Obama governed like he had a mandate for 8 years, when did he ever care that 60% opposed Obamacare?”

    I don’t disagree with any of this, jason. I probably should have just used a different term than “realignment”.

  424. Cash Cow TM says:


    you imply that WV residents could not be Small Town Values people because the murder rate is (in your words) high.

    Many of the murders of WV residents are committed in the Huntington WV area by drug dealers from Detroit, MI. Some in this area have been drug related murders and the people who are arrested and convicted for these murders are from drug people from Philadelphia and Baltimore.

    Also, drug dealers from Baltimore and Frederick MD have been arrested recently and charged with the drug overdose deaths of some WV people (who developed Big City Values even though they maybe used to have Small Town Values). Since these BCV outsiders brought the drugs here and sold them to the WV people. Those “murder rate stats” fail to point out that the people who did the murdering were often Big City Values people from Big Cities OUTSIDE of WV.

    Sadly, just in these two farthest eastern counties we have had probably several hundred heroin overdose deaths in the last 3 years as BCV people moved here and brought their drug habit with them, or previous STV WV people traded their STV for BCV.

    Put all that in your BCV, tofu eating, prius driving, women are victims, big government & manmade global warming believing, God denying, Chirsian scoffing, civil war bell stealing, liberal hippy pipe and smoke it.

  425. Robbie says:

    Congratulations to Donald Trump. In just 10 days as president, he’s found a way to mobilize dispirited Democrats. Kudos. If he keeps this up, the House could (I stress COULD) be in play and that might result in Trump getting his dumb self impeached.

    If the Trump team, especially that twit Stephen Miller, don’t take their clown shoes off, Trump’s approval will fall further and limp wristed Republicans like McCain, Graham, and Collins will abandon Trump and then there will be no tax reform, Obamacare repeal, or anything else.

  426. Trump says:

    F off, as-hole.

    Go suck Jeb.

  427. Trump says:

    Trump does not owe you anything.

  428. Trump says:

    Trump did not win with your help. Or mccain’s, colllins’s or Graham’s.

    He has no obligation to tractors and snakes.

  429. Trump says:


  430. Trump says:

    If you want obamacare repealed, better buckle up and support trump.

    Remember, he still has to sign any bills passed by congress.

  431. Trump says:

    I am sure the GOP congress would love to go into midterms without having Obamacare repealed.

  432. Trump says:

    Here’s the situation:

    If there is no Obamacare repeal, guess who gets the blame? It won’t be trump, since he is ready to sign a repeal bill.

    If there is no tax reform, guess who will get the blame.

    If there is no conservative SC judge, guess who would be blamed.

  433. Trump says:

    I hope even abjeb sucker like you has gotten a taste of Trump voters.

  434. Marc says:

    Sessions will be voted out of Judiciary Committee tomorrow, confirmation by full Senate Thursday or Friday…

  435. PresidentPaul! says:

    “As The New York Times notes, Mr. Trump has the authority to fire Ms. Yates, but as the top Senate-confirmed official at the Justice Department, she is the only one authorized to sign foreign surveillance warrants, an essential function at the department.”

    so what’s the problem?

  436. PresidentPaul! says:

    “Travis County Judge Wears “Pussy Hat” During Court Hearings.
    could you expect to have a fair trial especially as a man if you saw this?”

  437. PresidentPaul! says:

    Trump mocks Schumer for crying during speech protesting his immigration ban

    This is the same schumer who stole the mic uninvited right before Trump spoke at inauguration to give a speech on transgenderism (no he wasn’t on the speaking list)

  438. PresidentPaul! says:

    Schumer in 2015: ‘Pause’ in Syrian Refugee Program ‘May Be Necessary’

    Please…Bill Pryor

  439. Robbie says:

    Paul Gosar may challenge Jeff Flake in the primary.

    Yay! Let’s give the Democrats a Senate seat that should be safe. Mourdock rides again?

  440. Trump says:

    Go Paul Gosar.

  441. Robbie says:

    Trump says:
    January 30, 2017 at 7:31 pm
    Trump did not win with your help. Or mccain’s, colllins’s or Graham’s.

    He has no obligation to tractors and snakes.

    – Need 50 plus 1 to get anywhere. Lose those three and they’re at 49.

    It’s called math.

  442. PresidentPaul! says:

    In all honestly, the bigger goal than getting to 50 is getting rid of Graham, McCain, Collins, Rubio etc.

    Trump loses a judge no big deal.

    That’s precedence to filibuster Kagan/Sotomayor in 2020 when Hillary is president.,

    Plus none of the legislation the senate will do will be good anyways so if they spent the entire year filibustering various judges that would be a victory in itself.

  443. Trump says:

    Moron, trump does not care if GOP does not pass anything.

    Get a clue, Jeb sucker. I’d love to see GOP run in 2018 on blocking Trump.

  444. Bitterlaw says:

    Robbie – “Trump” wants Trump to rule by Executive Order. We used to be againt that when Obama did it. “But Bitter. That was different because…” in 3…2…1…

  445. Cash Cow TM says:

    Jeff’s a Flake.

  446. Trump says:

    For this turd Jeb sucker, it seems nov 8 didn’t happen.

  447. NYCmike says:

    “I don’t think that wanting to inspire angry protests every day is the best strategy but what do I know?”


    It is the first weeks. Of course every action he takes will be met with hysterical leftists claiming doom-and-gloom.

    Would you rather have JEB! calling up Schumer and watching a George Clooney film, to build bridges of support?

    That worked really well back in 2001. Government largess was cut, all laws started being enforced, entitlement programs were streamlined and modernized…….oops, that never happened, did it!

  448. Trump says:

    You’d think a lawyer would know an Executive Order from a Presidential memorandum.

    You’d be wrong.

  449. NYCmike says:


    Please don’t start claimimg I want Trump to rule by EO.

    Right now, as far as I can tell, all of his actions are within the law, simply telling border agents that all of the laws will be enforced, especially from these countries which are not friendly to the U.S.

  450. Trump says:

    Quick, lawyer guy, how many EOs has Trump issued?

  451. Robbie says:

    After he was elected, I believed Trump was going to, for lack of a better phrase, “act presidential”. He’s done his best, but his staffers are the gang that can’t shoot straight.

  452. Trump says:

    Just for giggles, it would be awesome if Trump nominated a solid conservative for SC, and the the feckless GOP senate failed to confirm.

  453. PresidentPaul! says:

    Funny thing about the refugee EO is it’s essentially just trolling by Trump because all of it was existing law already with at at least 70 current democrats having voted for legislation with it in it as well as Schumer supporting it.

    Hence they have nothing to stand on.

  454. NYCmike says:

    “Congratulations to Donald Trump. In just 10 days as president, he’s found a way to mobilize dispirited Democrats. Kudos. If he keeps this up, the House could (I stress COULD) be in play and that might result in Trump getting his dumb self impeached.”

    -I may have to look back to see what Robbie said about the protests against Scott Walker.

    I call BS on this “backlash”. As long as the Republican Congress has substantive policy bills to go along with Trump’s Executive Branch action, it will work out well.

    YES, I am calling for people like Mitchie to be competent communicators.

    Until they prove otherwise (again), I’ll hope for the best.

  455. Trump says:

    The Jeb sucker sounds disappointed.

    Trump must be doing something right.

  456. PresidentPaul! says:

    “Just for giggles, it would be awesome if Trump nominated a solid conservative for SC, and the the feckless GOP senate failed to confirm.”


    That’s why I keep saying Bill Pryor. Take it or leave it.

  457. NYCmike says:

    “After he was elected, I believed Trump was going to, for lack of a better phrase, “act presidential”. He’s done his best, but his staffers are the gang that can’t shoot straight.”

    -Oh stop this act.

    As if you know anything that is going on in the White House.

    Who told you, one of those guys like Steve Schmidt, or whatever their names are?

    You know, the ones that either LOST an election with Romney, or said Trump would LOSE.

  458. NYCmike says:

    I think Trump will go with Pryor. Sessions gave his support early, this will be payback to the Dems for not letting him be a judge.

    Especially since Pryor may have conservative opposition due to some ruling on homosexuality, I believe it was.

    That would be more great theater!

  459. Cash Cow TM says:

    872 refugees granted waivers this week to enter U.S (were in transit and already approved)

    735 deplaned/pulled aside & questioned at airports

    (that 735 includes 394 perm. resid.w/ green cards)

    348 visa holders denied boarding flights TO U.S.

    200+ landed and were sent back

    Anybody got any more numbers of how many people were affected?

  460. Robbie says:

    As it pertains to Scott Walker and the Wisconsin protests, I did not post any comments here during that time frame and didn’t really care about it.

    That said, I believe it’s a mistake to compare something that took place in a state with something that takes place nationwide. The presidency and the governor of WI are totally different things.

    More importantly, Scott Walker had message discipline and a competent staff. Trump is a loose canon with a staff that was writing for Breitbart four months ago.

  461. NYCmike says:

    Dubya acted very Presidential.

    He did get a second term, but no good faith was earned by his “bipartisanship”.

  462. Mr.Vito says:

    Robbie’s a pilot. He probably has a front row view of the prorestors… every damn day. Buck up, man.

  463. Robbie says:

    NYCMike supported Mourdock, McDaniel, Angle, COD, Wolf, and other dead enders.

  464. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    January 30, 2017 at 8:27 pm
    Robbie’s a pilot. He probably has a front row view of the prorestors… every damn day. Buck up, man.

    – I was called a fascist yesterday by some kook as I left an airport. I guess the person mistook the uniform for a border patrol or custom agent.

  465. NYCmike says:


    Yes, I do see the difference of national vs one state.

    BUT, the protests are localized for the most part, and not spreading. It is the same people over and over from the left. I bet some of them earned their chops in Madison, WI.

    Let’s see if they can sustain it over months and months, on issues that are cohesive and related.

    THEN, I would call for a change of tactics and/or strategy.

    Until then, keep hitting them with everything you’ve got! Keep pointing out little things like Chuck Schumer’s acting coach, who showed him how to make crocodile tears.

  466. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 30, 2017 at 8:26 pm
    Dubya acted very Presidential.

    He did get a second term, but no good faith was earned by his “bipartisanship”.

    – The disaster in Iraq and the Great Recession caused that. It had nothing to do with a lack if fighting.

  467. Mr.Vito says:

    “Anybody got any more numbers of how many people were affected”

    How many were murdered in Paris, again?

  468. Mr.Vito says:

    487. Sorry, man… sucks.

  469. Robbie says:

    Trump’s bungling of this issue gave Democrats a rallying cry. He’s already got a low approval rating and he’s forcing Republicans to use up political capital on stupid mistakes they were planning to use on tax reform and Obamacare repeal. Trump fatigue is going to be a real problem.

  470. Mr.Vito says:

    I had a feeling…

  471. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    January 30, 2017 at 8:32 pm
    487. Sorry, man… sucks.

    – Doesn’t bother me that much. I just laughed as I walked by the goofball. I’ve been called worse here!

  472. Cash Cow TM says:


    UPDATE: The missing lynx from Wilson’s Wild Animal Park in Frederick County have been sighted.

  473. NYCmike says:

    “NYCMike supported Mourdock, McDaniel, Angle, COD, Wolf, and other dead enders.”

    Mourdock – YES, along with over 50% of the primary voters. He would have won if his foot didn’t lodge itself in his throat.

    McDaniel – Neutral – I do not disapprove of challengers, but I did not support McDaniel over the incumbent. I did support his right to challenge.

    Angle – Yes, I supported her against Reid. I did not care who won between her, Lowden and Tark. Polls said all 3 could win. The other 2 were not guarantees.

    COD – YES, along with MD, I did support her.

    Wolf – Neutral – I do not disapprove of challengers, but I did not support Wolf over the incumbent. I did support his right to challenge.

    “other Deadenders” – name names, or let go of the joy-stick!

  474. Mr.Vito says:

    What is the rallying cry this time?

    Love Trumps hate?

    Nasty woman?


    Hands off my pu$$y?

    Orange Hitler?

  475. NYCmike says:

    “Trump’s bungling of this issue gave Democrats a rallying cry.”

    -No votes have changed since the election.


  476. NYCmike says:

    “What is the rallying cry this time?”

    -Exactly, day-to-day outrage, on all different fronts.

    Even the opposition is NOT united.

    My prediction: It will peter out. Robbie will find another Bush to worship.

  477. Mr.Vito says:

    Hands up don’t shoot?

    Brown lives matter?

    Make America Mexico Again?


  478. NYCmike says:

    Socked it to me!

  479. NYCmike says:

    What has Casey said in PA?


    That will tell me more than any media coverage of the protests in the big cities!

  480. Mr.Vito says:

    What do we want? When do we want it?


    Say no to fascists!

    Stop the hate!

  481. PresidentPaul! says:

    Protesters correctly look to get rid of Whitehouse after dumb vote for Pompeo who should have been stopped.

    “If they want to be here today and offer words as though they share our values, they must vote as any one of us would vote–against torture, against surveillance, against authoritarianism, and against Trump,” the protester said.
    “I heard both of my senators had voted to confirm pro-surveillance and pro-torture Mike Pomepo as director of the CIA. I was stunned. What were they thinking? Vote no, vote no on everything. Fight everything. Obstruct, obstruct, obstruct everything,” another protester said over the megaphone.

  482. Mr.Vito says:

    Time to invest in Sharpies, poster board, and throat lozenges…

  483. Cash Cow TM says:

    The tally of last 6 U.S. presidents who have used powers granted them by Congress in 1952 related to issuing a temporary ban of certain peoples or groups of people from entering the U.S. : Reagan–5; GHWBush–1 (which actually cancelled out one of Reagan’s EOs on immigration); Clinton–6; George W. Bush–6; Obama–6; Trump–1 (so far)

  484. NYCmike says:

    I sense Bunu changing allegiance away from Trump….order is slowly being restored to HHR.

  485. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Hands up don’t shoot?

    Brown lives matter?

    Make America Mexico Again?


    Mr. Vito,

    Whatever slogan the left comes up with will be the best slogan than George Soros money can buy.

  486. Bitterlaw says:

    I have never voted for a primary challenger over an incumbent for a simple reason. I know that the incumbent can win because they already have won the general election. I don’t know if the challenger can win the general election.

  487. NYCmike says:

    Arlen Specter is a prime example.

  488. NYCmike says:

    Toomey may have lost in 2004, so you did the right thing.

  489. wraith says:

    “Protesters correctly look to get rid of Whitehouse after dumb vote for Pompeo who should have been stopped.”~~~bunu 505

    bravo sierra

  490. NYCmike says:

    Of course, maybe Toomey would have won, which would have prevented Specter from being one of the 60 votes to pass Obamacare.

  491. NYCmike says:

    BUT, incumbents can win….great formula for success….I guess it all depends on how the word “success” is defined by the individual.

  492. Bitterlaw says:

    Toomey was a fire breathing anti-abortion candidate in 2004. He would have lost easily in 2004. He shifted his message to economics and taxes in 2010 and won.

  493. NYCmike says:

    “He would have lost easily in 2004.”

    -Yup, another guarantee by an A-Hole that can’t be proven.

  494. NYCmike says:

    As long as it makes you feel better….but Specter was the 60th vote.

  495. Bitterlaw says:

    Specter was an incumbent Republican Senator. His opponent was a Democrat. Even if Specter was only 1% Republican, he we was better than a 100% Democrat. Easy decision for me. I define success as winning the election. I don’t send messages by losing.

  496. Walt says:


    Looks like wife and I will be doing the Philly trip for her to take me to the flower show.

    Staying at hotel on Walnut Street in midtown.

    We are going separately from the other gals.

    There are usually 4 other gals, but looks like only 2 will be going this time due to schedule conflicts with other things.

    Arrive in Philly in evening of Wed., March 15.
    Spend night.
    Full day in Philly on Thurs., March 16
    Spend night.
    Leaving Philly on Friday about 1 p.m.

    Would Friday lunch work (with just wife and I)?
    We will be checking out of hotel on Walnut St. late that morning…

    Recommend any venue for lunch?
    (I told my wife not to watch you eat your hamburger.)

    We are also going to try to schedule to see other friends of the family sometime as well.
    Also toying with idea of maybe swiping the Liberty Bell and offering it to Harpers Ferry. Do you know it’s weight and dimensions? Would it fit in the rear of a Subaru Outback if I put the back seats down?

  497. Bitterlaw says:

    but Specter was the 60th vote.

    Zzzzzz. His opponent would have also been the 60th vote and given me nothing on any other vote.

  498. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL yeah Orange Dictator in Chief. Anyone who disagrees, just fire them all! Fire em all until its just the Dictator . Heil TRUMP !


  499. Mr.Vito says:

    Charles is back.

  500. Proud Obamacon says:

    Well Fuhrer Trump and Minister of Propaganda, Goebbels err I mean Bannon.


  501. Mr.Vito says:

    P.O. is Susyque also… and who knows how many others.

    Too bad Dave is mailing it in…

  502. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt – I will make it work. Believe it or not, I can recommend many restaurants.

  503. Bitterlaw says:

    Don’t poke the Wizard. We don’t have a lifeboat yet.

  504. Mr.Vito says:

    Don’t trust him, Walt. All he ever eats is potatoes..

  505. Mr.Vito says:

    Too bad it wasnt Lynch or Holder that Trump got to fire…

  506. Robbie says:

    Governing by crisis.

  507. Robbie says:

    I’m reminded of the movie “We Were Soldiers”. When his unit was overrun, Colonel Moore ordered a “broken arrow” which called in firepower on his own position to help blunt the attack. Right now, it feels like Trump is calling in artillery fire on his own position. Even more amazing. We’re just 10 day into this.

  508. Trump says:

    Robbie the Jeb sucker thinks the world is a movie.

    This is your brain fried by too much sucking on Jeb’s nuts.

  509. Mr.Vito says:

    Trump is killing his own men now… somebody stop the drama parade.

    Actually, don’t… I just ordered theater seats and a crate of popcorn.

  510. Walt says:

    Trump has fired Acting AG Yates for her saying that the State Dept. would not defend Trump on his immigration EO.

    She did not last long.

  511. Cash Cow TM says:

    Sally Yates

    Say “leastly”
    slay salty E

  512. Cash Cow TM says:

    Mr. Vito,

    Thank you!

    I had forgotten I was gong to make some popcorn tonight (with a lot of butter and salt added).

    Getting on it now…

  513. JeffP says:

    ObamatheCon you can take your disrespectful not my President and your #resist and put it where the sun doesn’t shine. You f in traitor.

  514. JeffP says:

    Sally is just another leftist hack and apparently doesn’t know the freaking Constitution even as acting AG.

  515. Phil says:

    Trump fired her ass.

    I love it. She was gone after a few more days, but why wait?

    One less leftist hack in Justice.

  516. Trump says:

    Trump should sign an EO asking 20 percent of the f’ed positions to leave by Friday.

    And leave it up to the bureaucrats to decide which 20 percent.

    The bloodbath will be spectacular. He can put it on ppt and retire the federal debt.

  517. lisab says:

    sally yates just blew away a $150,000+ job with amazing benefits for doing very little

  518. Phil says:


    Watching that would be more entertaining than watching the Super Bowl.

    Spectacular indeed.

  519. lisab says:

    if they fired 20% of the federal positions, they would just choose the newest hires, not the worst employees

  520. NYCmike says:

    “Zzzzzz. His opponent would have also been the 60th vote and given me nothing on any other vote.”

    -Of course, Toomey was a DEFINITE LOSS IN THE GENERAL, according to this A-HOLE.

    Now we know that A-Holes consider themselves omnipotent in future situations, as well as in theoretical situations that never happened…….hey, wait a minute….

  521. NYCmike says:

    “The bloodbath will be spectacular. He can put it on ppt and retire the federal debt.”

    -O M G ! !

    I could not imagine how insufferable Robbie would be if this happened!

  522. NYCmike says:

    “Right now, it feels like Trump is calling in artillery fire on his own position. Even more amazing. We’re just 10 day into this.”

    -He has to be getting paid by a JEB! superpac or something, to keep coming up with this tripe.

    Ay dios mio!

  523. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Below is a link to a Survey USA poll of the San Francisco Bay Area regarding immigration and sanctuary cities. Given the extreme liberal reputation of the area, the numbers are ambivalent.

  524. NYCmike says:

    Prediction for Supreme Court nominee:

    Robert P. Young, Jr. (66 years old)**

    Michigan – Michigan – Michigan
    show ID is NOT a poll tax
    eminent domain case in MI (GFY Corey)
    wears a bow tie
    appointed by Gov. Engler (trust him)

    **This is the only thing holding me back from a full-throated endorsement

  525. NYCmike says:

    Or, Margaret A. “Meg” Ryan:

    JAG military lawyer
    only 53 years old
    hard-ass = “When the court majority reversed the conviction of a soldier for attempting suicide, Judge Ryan dissented, arguing that the appeals court did not have jurisdiction.[3]”

  526. NYCmike says:

    Also for Margaret A. “Meg” Ryan:

    Hollywood connections
    clerked for Michael Luttig
    clerked for Justice Clarence Thomas

  527. NYCmike says:


    Here you go! Fight the media with facts!

    Who will be more likely to make voters switch: Cubans in Florida who work and love America and despise Fidel Castro, or sob stories from terror-sponsoring nations filtered thru the media?

  528. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Tillerson got his first Democratic votes in the Senate, and will very likely be approved as S. of S. on Wednesday. He may pick up a couple more Democratic votes on Wednesday.

    “The Senate voted 56-43 to cap debate on the nomination of former ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson as America’s top diplomat at 30 hours. The nomination required the backing of 51 senators to remain on track. Three Democrats —Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Mark Warner of Virginia and Joe Manchin of West Virginia — as well as independent Sen. Angus King of Maine voted to end debate.”

  529. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    549. “Prediction for Supreme Court nominee:
    Robert P. Young, Jr. (66 years old)”

    Trump’s not going to nominate a 66 year old. If he did the Senate Republicans would let the Democrats filibuster him; and the Democrats would drop the filibuster and approve him.

  530. lisab says:

    “Colonel Moore ordered a “broken arrow” which called in firepower on his own position”

    actually he did not call in firepower on his own position

    it called in every combat aircraft to help, but he did not bomb his own position, at least not voluntarily — according to the movie at least one strike fell mistakenly on their own position

  531. NYCmike says:

    Good night!

  532. Bitterlaw says:

    GFY, NYC. I have lived in PA since 1986. Toomey was a certain loser in 2004. Unlike MD, I rarely make predictions or claim to be nearly perfect. I do not berate people relentlessly on predictions. However, I am confident in my assessment of that race.

  533. Wes says:

    In 2004, Toomey was considered an oddball politician with no clear base of support whom Democrats were eager to run against. He had at best indifferent campaign skills and narrowly lost to Specter.

    Six years later, Toomey had honed a solid message and improved his campaign skills as evidenced by his outworking Joe Sestak–a notoriously strong campaigner.

    There’s no evidence in 2004 Toomey would have been able to put together a successful electoral coalition while in 2010 a perfect confluence of events placed him in the Senate.

    A big part of political success is timinig. 2004 wasn’t the year for Toomey to win a Senate race. He lacked either the campaign skills or the message to appeal to a large enough cross section of Pennsylvania voters to win. Ever wise to the situation, by 2010 he had repaired these deficiencies and proved capable of winning despite blistering attacks from his opponents.

    As far as Specter, he didn’t look like a shallow opportunist in 2004. Not having crystal balls, Republicans naturally rallied around him then. At that time, Obama and Obamacare were things of the future. Based on the information at the time, Republicans acted in their best interests. Unlike the Shadow, they didn’t know what evil lurks in the hearts of men.

  534. Mr.Vito says:

    Well, his name IS Specter…

  535. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Some of the statements that Toomey’s opponent used against him in 2016 were made by Toomey when he was running in 2004. That tells you a great deal about how Toomey managed to change his style.

  536. Bitterlaw says:

    Just for fun, I think Trump should appoint President Obama to SCOTUS. The Democrats would probably attack Obama as being anti-women, anti-minority, and too conservative. The Republicans would praise Obama as being a bold conservative choice. The statements are already written. Both sides are just waiting to fill in the name.

  537. Bitterlaw says:

    Apparently, nobody ever died in combat before Trump was President.

    Sad but war is all hell.

  538. Mr.Vito says:

    The girls that age are doing suicide bomb missions over there and the boys are beheading infidels. Why did her mother bring her to a camp full of Al Qaeda?

    “After American service members landed on the ground, a two-hour gun battle ensued. Some al Qaeda fighters were women, and they were among the casualties, reported the San Diego Union Tribune.”

    Who knows what to believe anymore?

  539. Mr.Vito says:

    Her 16 year old brother was killed in one of Obamas drone strikes…

  540. Bitterlaw says:

    Mr. Vito – It is sad that the girl died. It is more sad that she died because her parents sucked and she lived in a target area. Bad choice, mom.

  541. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t know how this article made it past the Philadelphia Inquirer editors:

    Syrians saying Trump has a point? Noooooooooo

  542. Cash Cow TM says:

    Reason/Cause: (You pick)

    A. Trumps EO on immigration
    B. GWBush
    C. manmade Global Warming
    D. radicalization of the chimps by isis
    E. Big City Values

  543. Wes says:

    Chimpanzees now engage in Twilight Zone-style Orwellian politics. Who knew?

  544. Robbie says:

    If Trump chooses his pro-abortion sister’s favorite, Thomas Hardiman, for SCOTUS, it will be a big mistake. Hardiman will drift to the left over time. He won’t become another Souter, but he will become another Kennedy.

    A SCOTUS nominee who has the approval of a pro-abortion judge would be the perfect capper to the last 12 days.

  545. Cash Cow TM says:


    damn hair

  546. Bitterlaw says:

    Robbie – I believe that with the exception of funding issues and a potential ban on late term abortions (with the usual exceptions(, the abortion issue is gone. Is that the issue you want to fight the nomination over?

  547. Walt says:


    What recommendations do you have for me to abide by as relating to ensuring, on my upcoming visit to the City of Brotherly Love, that I should take to ensure my own security?

    –bring and pack heat?
    –bring bear spray?
    –refrain from wearing my WVU hat?
    –keep one hand on my wallet and one hand inside my coat?
    –wear a sticker that says “I am with you!”?
    –other ideas?

  548. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    January 31, 2017 at 11:39 am
    Robbie – I believe that with the exception of funding issues and a potential ban on late term abortions (with the usual exceptions(, the abortion issue is gone. Is that the issue you want to fight the nomination over?

    – Certainly, abortion matters to me, but my objection with Hardiman is he has all the signs of a justice who will wander left. He has a thin paper trail just like Souter had. He strikes me more as a Kennedy. He’ll be there most of the time, but will bail out to the left on the biggest issues that define a SCOTUS justice’s legacy.

    Trump promised an orginalist like Scalia. Gorsuch’s writings have all the hallmarks of originalism, especially on Chevron. I also don’t like that Trump’s sister is pushing him or that Rick Santorum likes him because of his blue collar roots. What does blue collar roots have to do with anything?

  549. GPO says:

    Bitterlaw- if (big if ) Trump serves 2 terms you think Roe survives? I do not. It will still be legal in probably 45 states, but I don’t see Roe surviving

  550. Robbie says:

    The Democrats have decided not to show up for the committee hearing votes for Mnuchin or Price thus denying the ability of the nominations to move forward. Trump can recess appoint both, but that’s a temporary measure.

    I hope McConnell is watching because he should see there is no reason to play nice with SCOTUS anymore. Schedule the nomination hearings next week.

  551. Robbie says:

    GPO says:
    January 31, 2017 at 11:54 am
    Bitterlaw- if (big if ) Trump serves 2 terms you think Roe survives? I do not. It will still be legal in probably 45 states, but I don’t see Roe surviving

    – It’s a 5-4 majority against, John Roberts will buck the conservatives and vote to uphold just as he did with Obamacare. He’s a political maneuverer. It won’t matter if Kennedy is gone or not. Roberts will pay homage to stare decisis.

  552. Cash Cow TM says:

    Fascinating similarities between DJT and Hitler:


    –were megalomaniacal men
    –became leaders of their countries
    –favored a strong military
    –became irritated when the size of their hands were questioned
    –uttered the statement that the sky was blue
    –liked eggs for breakfast
    –stood when he peed…

    And that is just for starters!

    Yep. DJT is just like Hitler.

  553. marc says:

    It’s very hard of a “Souter” to happen again. Political politicization and judicial review has advance greatly since 1990. Republicans are a lot more conservatives then they where in 1990. But I can understand the fear of someone about it.

  554. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt – Just avoid wearing a Dallas Cowboys shirt. You will be fine.

    You will be fine in Center City. Here are 2 restaurants on Chestnut Street (2 blocks over from Walnut Street):

    I can also recommend lunch spots.

  555. Robbie says:

    Key passage from Vox.

    “Finally, an influential measure of judicial ideology — the Judicial Common Space score — places Hardiman somewhere between John Roberts and Anthony Kennedy: that is, right in the middle of the Court. That suggests he’s far to the left of Antonin Scalia, whom he would be replacing.”

  556. Bitterlaw says:

    Bitterlaw- if (big if ) Trump serves 2 terms you think Roe survives?


  557. Robbie says:

    I hope I’m wrong about Hardiman, but Gorsuch is a no-brainer. Trump should listen to Leonard Leo of the Federalist Society, nit his pro-abortion sister.

  558. Robbie says:

    I am no fan of Ann Coulter, but she has always been very, very good about judges. She was a huge advocate of Miguel Estrada in 2005.

    Ann Coulter ?@AnnCoulter 20h
    20 hours ago

    If @realDonaldTrump’s S. Ct nominee is Hardiman, Trump’s immig. policies won’t stand a chance. Hardiman is the Jeb! Bush of judges.

  559. PresidentPaul! says:

    No Kris Kobach I guess….

    Instead we get an Obama holdover for deputy homeland secretary.

    Trump to nominate Elaine Duke as Homeland Security deputy secretary


  560. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt – This one is on Rittenhouse Square (18th and Walnut Streets). Upscale but not outrageous. Real food for adults but it also has an excellent cheeseburger. Parc:

  561. PresidentPaul! says:

    Yet another disastrous pick by the Trump administration

    President Trump picked a little-known bureaucrat Monday with a long history in government management to be his deputy secretary at Homeland Security, disappointing immigration crackdown advocates who’d been anticipating a more prominent figure.
    Mr. Trump tapped Elaine Duke, a former undersecretary of management at the department, who spent years managing the budgets and procurement for the sprawling Homeland Security enterprise.
    She served as undersecretary under both President George W. Bush and President Obama.

  562. Cash Cow TM says:

    What is each state’s largest EXPORT product it terms of total dollar amount of export
    (2015 figures)?
    For 12 states, the export product is AIRCRAFT.
    For Maine is LOBSTERS.

    Guess some of the others:


    If you can guess all the 7 above correctly, your prize will be that Dave the Wizard will (at some time) post a new thread.
    When someone provides a guess for a particular stat, Cow will give the correct answer.

    If you want to guess your own or some other state, then do so, and I will post a response.


  563. Bitterlaw says:

    Well, I guess I have to support Elaine Duke. If Bunu hates her, I have to approve the choice.

  564. Cash Cow TM says:

    The average imported price of a barrel of crude oil is now at $47.26. That is the lowest price since 2005 when it was $46.81.

  565. Bitterlaw says:

    Alaska? Gold
    NV? One-eyed Senators
    NH? Syrup (F off, Vermont)
    NY? Jewish people moving to Florida
    RI? Sailboats
    SD? Cattle
    WY? Buffalo

  566. Marc says:

    Fox News: White House sources say that Neil Gorsuch is the President pick for Supreme Court Justice.

  567. Cash Cow TM says:

    30,000+ total opiod related fatalities in 2015
    12,989 just heroin related fatalities in 2015

    In comparison:
    12,979 gun homicides in 2015

  568. Cash Cow TM says:

    WA State:

    bill introduced to split WA into 2 states (E/W)

  569. Cash Cow TM says:

    Fastest growing state from July 2015 to July 2016?

    UT (now surpassing 3 million in population)
    next fastest growing:

  570. JulStol says:


  571. Cash Cow TM says:

    State budget update:

    19 states have revenue coming in slower than expected.

    –12 in personal income tax
    –21 in general sales tax
    –20 in corporate net income tax
    –14 states expected to not meet revenue estimates for current FY 2017 year we are halfway through.

  572. Cash Cow TM says:

    Bitter says:

    “Alaska? Gold [No. right answer is ZINC!]
    NV? One-eyed Senators [NO. GOLD!]
    NH? Syrup (F off, Vermont) [NO. CELL PHONES]
    NY? Jewish people moving to Florida [NO. DIAMONDS]
    RI? Sailboats [NO. SCRAP GOLD]
    SD? Cattle [NO. BREWING DREGS i do not know what that is…]
    WY? Buffalo” [NO. SODA ASH]

    Thanks for playing.

    Anyone want to know the highest $ value EXPORT from any other states, just the Cow Hotline…

  573. Robbie says:

    Matt K. Lewis ?@mattklewis 23m
    23 minutes ago

    Smart GOP source emails me this #scotus take: “Gorsuch is Scalia 2.0…Hardiman has real potential to turn into a Kennedy or even worse.”

  574. Cash Cow TM says:

    COAL is the biggest EXPORT from WV (and WV is the leading state exporter.

    Guess which state is #2 in COAL exports?

  575. Cash Cow TM says:

    6 states have MEMORY CHIPS or MICROCHIPS as their largest EXPORT?

    Cow prefers potato chips. Utz.
    I am a putz for Utz.
    I will gobble a Gibbles, too.
    Regular or BBQ flavored.

  576. Cash Cow TM says:

    President Donald J. Trump Will Continue to Enforce Executive Order Protecting the Rights of the LGBTQ Community in the Workplace

    Spontaneous Left Wing demonstrations praising DJT and blocking traffic and chanting “He’s my president now!” to erupt…immediately…very soon…give it about a week…never….

    Where will salmon sport coat wearing Michael be on this?
    Will it dramatically change his vehement opposition to DJTs presidency?

    The whole world is watching! (well at least the HHR world)

  577. Cash Cow TM says:

    Or maybe Right Wingers will take to the streets in protest against DJT?

  578. Cash Cow TM says:

    Elaine Chao confirmed for Transportation.

    hat tip/ Jul

  579. Cash Cow TM says:

    DeVos nomination approve by Senate committee by a party line 12-11 vote.

    Alaska Senator Murkowski (Supposedly R) voted for in committee, but said that is no guarantee she will vote yes on DeVos on Senate floor for confirmation. Says DeVos does not yet have her full support.
    hat tip/Jul (Facebook)

  580. Cash Cow TM says:


    NO MAS!


  581. Bitterlaw says:

    Author is an interesting dude. He divides his time between hating Trump and loving fake wrestling.