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VA: Tight Race For Gov, Kaine Dominates Comstock and Fiorina

Posts two days in row! An election poll for the gubernatorial race in Virginia this year and the US Senate next year was just released by Gravis Marketing. The gubernatorial race this year is neck and neck according to Gravis.

GOVERNOR – VIRGINIA (Gravis)
Ed Gillespie (R) 42%
Ralph Northam (D) 40%

Tom Perriello (D) 42%
Ed Gillespie (R) 41%

meanwhile at the US Senate, failed VP candidate Tim Kaine is well ahead of Republicans Barbara Comstock and Carly Fiorina.

US SENATE – VIRGINIA (Gravis)
Tim Kaine (D-inc) 53%
Barbara Comstock (R) 41%

Tim Kaine (D-inc) 53%
Carly Fiorina (R) 41%

This poll was done March 14-19 among 3097 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 2:14 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (1,025)

1,025 Responses to “VA: Tight Race For Gov, Kaine Dominates Comstock and Fiorina”

  1. NYCmike says:

    FIRST!

    Wissing LIVES, despite Trump being President for 2 months!

  2. EML says:

    And therein lies the mistake of negotiating with the Freedom Caucus. There will be no electoral repercussion for them. There will be for the moderates who provide the margin for a House majority.
    ==============================
    Many of these “moderates” were elected in 2010 and since based on their promise to repeal Obamacare

  3. NYCmike says:

    EML is doing his best to be outed as a “deadender”. Keep up the good work!

  4. Phil says:

    A little surprised Comstock is not running a little better than Carly. Would think she would be stronger in the DC suburbs than any possible Republican candidate.

  5. NYCmike says:

    I see Comstock and Fiorina with the same numbers…..odd.

  6. NYCmike says:

    Phil,

    Is Gravis a left-leaning pollster?

  7. Phil says:

    I was thinking Gravis did pretty well in the last election cycle. If I remember right they hit some of the swing states pretty close. Don’t think they are left tilted.

    I’m kind of suspicious of this poll, however. Comstock won her race by almost ten points against one of the Dems stronger recruits. This poll smells a bit.

  8. Greymarch says:

    Schumer’s tracking down every camera he can find to declare the dems will filibuster Gorsuch. YAY! Schumer is guaranteeing the filibuster gets nuked. We can replace Ginsburg with any conservative we want! Wooohoo! *does a jig*

    You think progressives are leaning heavily on dem senators to filibuster? Imagine the pressure McConnell and GOP senators will get to nuke the filibuster. Hehe. I love it. Bye bye 200 years of fascism in the U.S. senate. Bye bye filibuster! Good riddance.

  9. NYCmike says:

    Greymarch,

    Have you given an opinion about the choice for Supreme Court Justice made by….President Trump?

  10. Phil says:

    Schumer knows he can’t stop Gorsuch if Republicans stick together. If it looks like a filibuster can be sustained even the McCains will go nuclear. They aren’t letting Schumer completely stop this one.

    Schumer is simply using the promise of a filibuster as an opening negotiating ploy.

    It goes like this. We will filibuster and kill the nomination UNLESS you promise not to nuke the filibuster on any down the line Trump Supreme Court noinations. That’s what he wants.

    That is all this is. McConnell isn’t going for this. Schumer is counting on McCain, Collins, and Murkowski to agree to allow the filibuster on the next couple of picks over the objection of the rest of the Republican caucus.

    It basically is an attempt to get something (promise of keeping their filibuster and stopping futue conservative picks) for nothing (confirmation of Gorsuch which Republicans can already get).

    He is counting on Collins, Murkowski and McCain to bail him out.

    Also, it gives red state Democrats up in 2018 the opportunity to vote for cloture – sends a message to red state voters that “see, I (Senator Donnelly for example) voted for cloture. I bucked Schumer” — except they didn’t buck him. Schumer can get 41 vote without them. He simply released them for show in their home states. Actually a campaign ploy.

  11. NYCmike says:

    “Here’s the problem NYCMike continues to ignore.”

    -I have not ignored anything. If a bill is passed by reconciliation, please tell me why that same exact bill CAN’T BE REPEALED by reconciliation?

    Either they were serious about “repeal and replace” or they were not.

  12. Robbie says:

    Look for certain members of the Freedom Caucus to start planting stories in Politico, the Hill, and elsewhere soon that they’ve lost faith in Ryan’s ability to lead the House. Whether deposing him was an initial goal of scuttling the repeal and replace bill, I bet they’d be fine if was a by-product of the bill’s defeat.

  13. NYCmike says:

    If that scenario is NOT possible, then a BIGLY job of communicating how they would handle it should have been undertaken by Ryan, McConnell, and Trump to educate why they were doing it like this!

  14. NYCmike says:

    “Look for certain members of the Freedom Caucus to start planting stories in Politico, the Hill, and elsewhere”

    -Look for Robbie to post them on HHR “14 seconds” later….

  15. NYCmike says:

    “Actually a campaign ploy.”

    -And some of the Republicans may fall for it, but of course, those same members should NEVER face a primary challenge.

  16. NYCmike says:

    Cruz, Lee, Scott, Paul – I bet these guys vote w/ Schumer….right, Robbie??

  17. Wes says:

    Gravis did a decent job in 2012. They were the most accurate pollster, or nearly so, in 2014. They had a mixed record in 2016.

  18. NYCmike says:

    You know, the “gadfly”‘s!

  19. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 23, 2017 at 3:47 pm
    “Here’s the problem NYCMike continues to ignore.”
    -I have not ignored anything. If a bill is passed by reconciliation, please tell me why that same exact bill CAN’T BE REPEALED by reconciliation?
    Either they were serious about “repeal and replace” or they were not.

    – Goodness. How many times are we going to have go over this?

    People seem to forget the Senate passed Obamacare on December 24, 2009, not through reconciliation, but through the normal process because Reid had 60 Democrat Senators who could break the filibuster.

    The bill then went on to the House where it passed in March 2010. And because bills like that have to start in the House, the House passed the Senate bill, word for word, and then sent it back to the Senate where it could be voted on it again as reconciliation.

    Republicans don’t have a 60 vote majority like Democrats did in 2009 and early 2010. Otherwise, maybe they could pass a full bill in the Senate through the normal process and then send it to House. We don’t have that though.

    Even St. Mike Lee understands that not everything can be repealed because of Senate rules. And as for any previous votes that took place while Obama was president, they were all for show so pay not attention to those saying we should just pass the 2015 version.

  20. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 23, 2017 at 3:51 pm
    Cruz, Lee, Scott, Paul – I bet these guys vote w/ Schumer….right, Robbie??

    – Cruz, Lee, and Paul aren’t interested in governing. They are interested in purity and publicity. That’s why they’re always on Fox and almost never involved in any high level negotiating meetings. They’re bit players who like to be in front of the cameras.

  21. Trump says:

    The Jeb coc-sucker wants Obamacare 2.

    No surprise.

  22. Trump says:

    How long should republicans tolerate Paul Ryan ?

  23. Trump says:

    Maybe he shouldn’t have promised repeal?

  24. NYCmike says:

    http://datechguyblog.com/2017/03/23/just-repeal/

    -This is what I envisioned, not nibbling around the edges.

    And please don’t mention “tax cuts”.

    If you leave the infrastructure in place, the taxes/fees/mandates/whatever Chief Justice John Roberts decides to call them that week will come back eventually.

    BE BOLD (like Scott Walker)!

  25. Trump says:

    moderates are exercised about defunding planned parenthood?

    Good to know.

  26. Robbie says:

    Noted conservative activist Quin Hillyer nails it. NYCMike should read, but he won’t be happy about what is written about the Freedom Caucus.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/republicans-should-be-disgusted-with-the-house-freedom-caucus/article/2618269

  27. NYCmike says:

    “– Cruz, Lee, and Paul aren’t interested in governing.”

    -Oh BULLSH*T.

    Give them the leadership positions, let them push more-conservative-oriented legislation, and let’s see what happens.

    It could not be any worse than what happens after a Republican Congress was in power at other times. They have lost the majority before, while acting like mealy-mouth pussi*s.

    For the first time since 1994-1996, lets BE BOLD!

  28. Trump says:

    Ryan has no clout in his caucus. Utter failure as a speaker.

    All his major bills have passed with assist from Pelosi.

  29. Robbie says:

    Wes

    If you’re lurking about, as a former Senate page (correct?) please explain the Senate rules about reconciliation and how Democrats passed their bill in 2009 and 2010.

  30. Trump says:

    Republican voters are disgusted with republican congress. That’s how you got trump.

  31. Robbie says:

    Let’s blowup the Senate and make Heritage Action have to change their pants! That’s what would happen if Cruz, Lee, and Paul were in charge. They would likely see themselves as Caesar, Pompeii, and Crassus or maybe Octavian, Antony, and Lepidus.

  32. NYCmike says:

    I am disgusted with the HFC.

    I am disgusted with the communication effort by Congressional Republicans.

    I am disgusted with people like McCain, Graham, Murk, Collins.

    I am disgusted with the fact that a room was guarded with the healthcare bill inside, and grandstanders made a point of showing they could not get in to look at it.

  33. NYCmike says:

    “That’s what would happen if Cruz, Lee, and Paul were in charge. They would likely see themselves as Caesar, Pompeii, and Crassus or maybe Octavian, Antony, and Lepidus.”

    -Utter stupidity!

    You can see where limp-writed leadership has gotten us: $1 trillion deficit per year, $20 trillion deficit and growing, $100 trillion (?) unfunded liabilities……

    That is what Robbie, Wes, jason, etc are fighting for!

  34. Robbie says:

    Simply because one claims to be the most conservative member of the Senate doesn’t make that person worthy of any praise or attention. Paul is a gadfly who only wants TV attention for his stupid libertarian views. Cruz and Lee are both committed conservative who simply do not understand the difference between strategy and tactics. They take an all or nothing approach as we saw with Cruz’s 2013 stunt when he pretended to filibuster Obamacare. Even he admitted he knew it would achieve nothing in regards to Obamacare, but it sure did serve as the kickoff to his presidential campaign.

  35. Robbie says:

    This is hard concept for the Freedom Caucus and their proponents to understand, but the rest of the Republican Party, and certainly not the rest of the country, is not as conservative as they are. Until they, Heritage Action, Freedom Works, Rasheed Limbaugh, Ingraham, and others learn this, they’ll keep ending up with nothing to show for their work. Good work, hard right. Speaker Pelosi thanks you. She can’t win without your help.

  36. Trump says:

    Pelosi loves her clone Ryan.

  37. Trump says:

    I think what everyone nrpeeds is a PowerPoint presentation from Paul Ryan.

  38. Barrett says:

    #35 – post of the day. The fringe deadenders made this all possible, and the main section of Obama’s legacy remains intact because they don’t have the self-ownership or humility to give a little.

    Ideological purity for what purpose? In this case, it has no purpose because it gains the Republicans nothing.

  39. Trump says:

    Why don’t the do-called moderates vote yes for anything that is presented? It’s not like they are driven by any principle or anything.

  40. Robbie says:

    My theory that the goal of the Freedom Caucus’s maneuvering on Obamacare is to bring down Paul Ryan as Speaker may be gaining steam. FoxNews lug head and Trump mouthpiece Eric Bolling said today this bill’s failure is due to Paul Ryan and said it’s time for new leadership.

  41. Trump says:

    Logic is not your friend, Jeb coc-sucker.

    Freedom couches does not need to manouver the healthcare bill to bring down Paul Ryan.

    Ryan is the the most incompetent speaker of the house in history. Jim wright smiles.

  42. Trump says:

    Did Ryan not know that his bill would not pass?

  43. Robbie says:

    If you remember, Louise Mensch of HeatSt wrote the first article claiming surveillance of Trump and/or Trump Tower due to Russian involvement. Nothing in her story has been confirmed, but her credibility has taken quite a hot. If you don’t believe me, read her Twitter feed.

    Recently, Mensch claimed Russia had Andrew Breitbart killed in 2012 so Steve Bannon could take over with the hope he would be part of any effort to get Trump elected president. Now, she suggested yesterday’s terror attack was planned by the Russians. And finally, she has tweeted today that there is a Russian spy plan parked at an airport in the northeast.

    Woo boy!

  44. Trump says:

    You keep bringing up all kinds of names no one has heard about.

    What is your problem, dic-wad?

  45. Trump says:

    And when someone shows you are nothing more than a Jeb apologist who cannot even get 2+2 right, you run out and get another shiny object.

    Why don’t you go back in time and get 2+2 right first, retarded monkey?

  46. Phil says:

    In other news I see the Israeli police have arrested a dual citizenship individual behind the wave of bomb threats toward Jewish civic centers and Jewish places of worship.

    Damn, I thought all these threats were generated by the anti Semite terror generated by the Trump administration. That’s what they said on CNN. I’m sure CNN will correct their reporting any second now.

  47. Trump says:

    Fox News:

    Source: Intel may have Obama spying evidence

    The Jeb coc-sucker Robbie hardest hit.

  48. Trump says:

    Ryan bill is -26 among non-college educated whites, -46 among voters age 50-64, -39 among all voters.

    That is why it will fail.

    Ryan needs to go. Utter failure.

  49. Tom Cotton/Rubio says:

    Ryan is a joke. The bill is a bailout of the crooked insurance industry. He betrayed the president. He should resign.
    Ryan makes Pelosi look competent.

  50. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – CBS reported on the Israeli teen. I agree that the media loves to push the idea that allTrump supporters are racists and bigots. It is not true.

    However, this does not change my belief that racists and bigots of all kinds and all races should be shamed and, if they become violent, crushed. One of my favorite movies is Mississippi Burning. I love that raw Federal power breaking the Klan.

  51. Tina says:

    Breaking, more stuff is coming out on the obumbler wiretapping trump.

  52. Tina says:

    Is Fake Flapper unhinged?

  53. Trump says:

    The fake flappe aka the Jeb sucker is a brain-damaged loon.

    He is desperately scouring Kos for talking points, and filtering Obscure twitterers for most damaging trump hate news.

  54. Tina says:

    “I’m a very instinctual person, but my instinct turns out to be right,” Mr. Trump said, adding that he did not mean wiretapping in the literal sense, but surveillance in general. “When I said ‘wire tapping,’ it was in quotes.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/23/trump-reporter-im-president-and-youre-not/

    Triggered

  55. Phil says:

    Bad news for Schumer. Lindsay Graham says he is prepared to go nuclear if Schumer follows through with Supreme Court filibuster.

    If Schumer can’t get Graham I doubt he gets McCain.

    So go ahead and do it, Chuckie. Make my day.

  56. Tina says:

    Good move goober.

  57. Phil says:

    Bitter, I get shaming bigots and racists. No problem with that whatsoever.

    Glad to hear CBS reported the story.

  58. Robbie says:

    Trump told the House Republicans tonight he’s done negotiating the health care repeal and he wants a vote tomorrow. He said if the bill fails, Obamacare will remain in place and they’ll move on to other issues. Ryan and McCarthy then informed the House there will be a vote tomorrow.

    I think this is best of a bad series of options. Effectively, Trump and Ryan are daring the suicide bomber caucus to vote no. If the suicide bomber caucus votes no and kills the bill, it will be on the heads of the Freedom Caucus that they enabled Obamacare to survive.

    As I have said repeatedly, the Freedom Caucus is not composed of Republicans. They are recalcitrant conservatives and boutique libertarians who have never been interested in governing. Now, they threaten to blow up the Republican Party because they can’t everything they want.

  59. Robbie says:

    Tomorrow may well be long remembered as the day the Freedom Caucus decided to make Nancy Pelosi Speaker again.

    Tim Alberta?Verified account @TimAlberta 11m11 minutes ago

    Whip informs offices they’re definitely tomorrow, per source. Will be a watershed day in modern GOP history.

  60. Trump says:

    So the GOP will be blown?

    Hallelujah.

  61. Trump says:

    Worst speaker ever.

    Incompetent and clueless.

  62. Trump says:

    And next will be the blown Gorsuch nomination, I bet.

    Will wonders never cease?

  63. Robbie says:

    If soccer guru committed murder, would his IQ be high enough to allow him to be executed if found guilty?

  64. Trump says:

    Jeb coc-sucker retard talking about IQ?

    It’s a wonder the monkey could spell IQ.

  65. Trump says:

    Trump seems to be working in mysterious ways to blow up the GOP.

    Awesome.

  66. Trump says:

    Who in their right minds would vote for Obamacare 2.0?

  67. Trump says:

    You had one job.

  68. Robbie says:

    Eric Bolling, FoxNews dimwit, is currently hosting O’Reilly and once again calling for Paul Ryan to be deposed. Like I said, that may have always been the end game of suicide bomber caucus.

  69. Trump says:

    -39 among all voters, -46 among 50-64 age group.

    Who wants to hang their hats on this piece of cr-p?

    Is the polling any better than what it was for the original Obamacare?

  70. Robbie says:

    On January 20, 2021, President Elizabeth Warren, Leader Schumer, and Speaker Pelosi will mark March 24, 2017 as the day they won back the entire government.

  71. Trump says:

    You had one job.

    Repeal Obamacare.

    But no, couldn’t do it.

  72. Bitterlaw says:

    Since Trump wants to hang around, he at least owes us new insults.

  73. Robbie says:

    It shows how stupid soccer guru and the other flat Earthers are that they believe the bill that either passes or fails tomorrow is the last word on healthcare repeal.

    The Senate will craft its own bill and then there will be a conference were the differences are ironed out. But because so few actually understand the legislative process, tomorrow the Freedom Caucus will ensure Obamacare remains.

  74. Trump says:

    17 percent support for AHCA – Quinn
    24 percent – Ppp
    34percent – fox news 54 percent oppose

  75. Trump says:

    You morons must believe that voters care about the details of the bill.

    No wonder you fu ck every time.

  76. Robbie says:

    So the polls are believable now?

  77. Trump says:

    One job. Repeal Obamacare.

    Couldn’t do it.

  78. Trump says:

    It will become popular over time.

  79. Bitterlaw says:

    WV hanging tough with the Zags. I hope the Mountaineers pull the upset.

  80. Walt says:

    Forget DJT, ACA repeal, etc.

    WVU tied with Gonzagger at 30 all at half.
    **********************************************
    This just might be a great day to be a Mountaineer, regarless of where you might be.

    Of course I have no cable so I can’t see the @#^( game and have to rely on radio.

  81. Robbie says:

    John Roberts’ political decision in June 2012 won the election for Obama and it may ruin the Republican majorities in 2018.

  82. Bitterlaw says:

    My favorite sports columnist was diagnosed with Altzheimers. While he can still write, he will fight to the end. This column is heartbreaking but awesome as a declaration that he is not done fighting. Fight, Bill.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20170326_Bill_Lyon__Maybe_downsizing_not_the_worst_thing.html

  83. Wes says:

    Before becoming Speaker, Paul Ryan was a hero to so-called “conservatives.” Now, not hhaving changed his ideology one whit, Ryan is suddenly anathema to the people who once lauded him as the future of conservatism.

  84. PresidentPaul! says:

    Robbie-Paul has stated the bill has to bring down insurance premiums.

    That’s his minimalist demand, and so far it hasn’t been met.

  85. Wes says:

    Alzheimer’s is a pernicious disease. I hope someone finds a cure.

  86. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Trump told the House Republicans tonight he’s done negotiating the health care repeal and he wants a vote tomorrow. He said if the bill fails, Obamacare will remain in place and they’ll move on to other issues.”

    Politically, this may be a positive outcome for Trump. The GOP members of Congress get the blame for not passing the “Ryan bill” and overhauling Obama care. Blue collar voters and elderly Trump supporters will not blame Trump for taking away their medical coverage by repealing Obama care.

    Trump may be passing the hot potato away early in his term; so the issue remains a problem that was created by Obama, and one which Obama still has ownership.

  87. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    84. “Robbie-Paul has stated the bill has to bring down insurance premiums.That’s his minimalist demand, and so far it hasn’t been met.”

    Yes, it is the usual “minimalist” demand. People want to pay less and receive more. For some odd economic reason, it never seems to happen.

  88. Bitterlaw says:

    It killed my Aunt, Wes. It steals people away from their loved ones months or years before it takes their bodies. By the end, my Aunt could barely speak or even feed herself. The last time I saw her alive, I asked her if she knew me. She looked at me and said, “Why would I want to know you?” For a final moment, her sense of humor was back. She died a week later.

  89. Tina says:

    The strategy shouldmhave been repeal then replace.

    Ryano phuqed up as ususal.

  90. Tina says:

    And the bill should have included interstate purchasing.

    But oh well.

    At least we go back to obama wiretapping tomorrow.

    Pass the popcorn.

  91. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    81. “and it may ruin the Republican majorities in 2018.”

    Do you really think the Democrats can take the Senate? Which seats do you think the Democrats will gain in Senate elections in 2018? Do you think all the Democrats will be re-elected?

  92. Wes says:

    You know things are bad when PAUL RYAN is a RINO. No one is conservative enough for some people.

  93. Wes says:

    Alzheimer’s took my grandmother over the course of a decade, Bitter. Toward the end, she knew me only as her “good friend.” I had tears in my eyes whenever I had to hear that, knowing as I did, she would never know who I was again.

  94. Bitterlaw says:

    I really wish that Tina would for office. Seriously. She has all the answers but won’t get in the real fight.

    Tina’s excuse why she won’t run in 3…2…1…

  95. Wes says:

    Maybe we should resurrect Joe Martin and make him Speaker again. He did such a great job as the Dems’ collective punching bag in 1948 and 1954.

  96. Tina says:

    You shoukd run bl

  97. Bitterlaw says:

    Thanks for sharing, Wes. Despite all of the mean, derogatory, hateful things that I say about you and to you, I consider you a friend. GFY.

  98. Tina says:

    You seem to have all of the answers.

  99. Wes says:

    I feel the same about you,. Bitter.

  100. Tina says:

    That is a terrible disease, no cure.

  101. Walt says:

    Now I am watching the game on laptop, but wish i wasn’t.

    Gonzaga stretching/muscling a lead to 8…

    🙁

  102. Tina says:

    Ruin the r majority. Mayb e, they are more effective as a minority oarty. Oh wait a minute…

  103. Bitterlaw says:

    Too late, Tina. Softball season is starting. Maybe next year. I would like to be a judge. Of course, after 13 years of posting in this pit of vipers, I am sure that any opponent would find something in the archives to sink me. Of course, I lost 3 races without any help in the past.

  104. Cash Cow TM says:

    Too many Absolutists ruin things.

  105. Tina says:

    I am too old, bl. i qualify for the public transit discount.

  106. Trump says:

    Passing unpopular bills with bare support of one’s own party is how you lose majorities.

    History repeats itself, as a farce this time.

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  108. Tina says:

    And i woukd het creamed running as an r in sf.

  109. Wes says:

    Liddy Dole ran for and won a Senate seat at age 66. Tina is young enough to run for office.

    It’s easier to throw bombs from the sidelines than govern as we’re learning now.

  110. Wes says:

    Reagan would never make it today. Although a conservative, he realized politics is the art of compromise. The Deadenders would have run the greatest President of the 20th Century out of the party.

  111. Trump says:

    Ryan talks a lot, but now he has a track record.

    As a big spending amnesty lover.

  112. Wes says:

    Republicans in leadership have their problems. The Deadenders don’t help things by demanding ideological purity while helping Democrats such as Chris Coons and Maggie Hassan serve in Congress.

  113. Phil says:

    Lost my dad to alzheimers

    It was terrible to watch him fade away. Horrible disease for any family to endure.

  114. Tina says:

    It is all trumpmand ryans fault. Should have made a better deal.

    My objections are

    Tax cuts

    Repeal,obamacare

    Market based replaceme t.

    They went out of sequence. Ryan could be hurt more than trump, if the bombshells about tapping come to fruition.

  115. PresidentPaul! says:

    #87

    Rand Paul’s bill would bring down insurance premium costs. He didn’t say the GOP had to pass his bill, but to get his vote the bill has to also bring down premiums.

  116. Tina says:

    Ryan job is to lead. He has failed again.

  117. Phil says:

    Wes, and lets not forget how deadenders gave a very unpopular Harry Reid one last term.

  118. Wes says:

    Sorry to hear that, Phil. How’s your wife? I hope she’s improving.

  119. Wes says:

    I tend to give a pass on Reid, Phil, as all the Republicans in the primary in 2010 were lightweights after Porter declined.

  120. Phil says:

    Not much, Wes but she’s hanging in there. She is a fighter and savors every day.

  121. Tina says:

    I want to hear nunes on pawn hannity.

    Problem is i cannot stand pawn.

  122. Wes says:

    Best wishes, Phil.

  123. Cash Cow TM says:

    WVU coming back.

    Tied.

  124. Phil says:

    True, Wes. Angle was the weakest, but yeah neither of the other two that year were likely to win. The one that really hurt that year was Colorado. Jane Norton was a really solid mainstream conservative that would have won the general comfortably. Unfortunately Buck beat her in the primary by a point and, well, you know the rest. Stuck with Bennett.

  125. Wes says:

    At least four years later, Buck realized Udall too would beat him and let Gardner–one of my favorite Senators–have a free shot.

  126. Tina says:

    The altenrative is to let obumbkercare implode and do nothung. We have no obligation to fix it.

    This is not my positiin, but it is an option.

  127. Proud Obamacon says:

    Damn yall.. can’t even pass a bill when you have total control. Sad!

    I really really wanted yall to pass this bill too. Maybe it will still happen. Come on loooosahs, you .. got .. THIS ! PASS DA BILL!

  128. Cash Cow TM says:

    WV up 2

    Now Gonz tied and going to line.

    Lots of players on both teams with 3 and 4 fouls.

  129. Tina says:

    The hill

    Obama and Trump haven’t talked since inauguration:

    Who cares. I woukd arrest his arse.

  130. Tina says:

    Spicer just nailed CNN. He said “there’s more evidence that CNN colluded with Hillary and her campaign than Trump colluded with Russia.”

    Jebots really imploding…

  131. Tina says:

    Bob Woodward: Obama officials possibly facing criminal charges for unmasking scheme

    Barry in a cell?

  132. Phil says:

    Doubt they will ever talk, Tina. Doubt they can stand one another and in Trump’s case I can see how he hates the guy.

  133. PresidentPaul! says:

    btw Judge Bork died in 2012 so had the Democrats not blocked him, he would have passed with Obama appointing his replacement.

    Instead the younger Scalia was his replacement.

    In some ways stopping Garland was payback for blocking Bork.

  134. Trump says:

    It will be interesting to see who takes the fall for Obama.

    Brennan or Clapper. Lynch will skate on affirmative action.

  135. Proud Obamacon says:

    Ooops

    Nunes Now Unsure Trump Associates Were Surveilled

  136. Cash Cow TM says:

    Tied again 52-52.

    WVU ball.
    timeout.

  137. Proud Obamacon says:

    Oooopsie

    Schiff: New Evidence Shows Trump-Russia Collusion

  138. Tina says:

    Phil, they hate each other. It is evident that he tapped him, tapped him includes surveilkance of an electronic nature. It was stupid for the ibumbker to do it and nixonian

  139. Trump says:

    PO, like a good as-wipe, you are pinning your hopes on a snake like chiffon.

    Never a good idea.

  140. Proud Obamacon says:

    And you’re pinning your hopes on a whack like Nunes.

    Never a good idea. Neverrrrr. But by all means, please proceed azz-clown!

  141. Tina says:

    Shifty has been informed of the ebidence

  142. Trump says:

    The only mistake Obama made was not thinking that trump could win.

    Everyone was sure that Hillary would be the next president, with Dems in charge of senate.

    Who was going to talk about illegal and criminal acts?

  143. Trump says:

    As PO likes to ignore, never Hillary.

    How sweet is that.

  144. Cash Cow TM says:

    Zags up 3.

  145. Proud Obamacon says:

    “never Hillary.”

    That didn’t take long, already shifting back to Hillary.,

    You got nothing, punk.

  146. Cash Cow TM says:

    BAD CALL AGAINST WV

    ADRIAN DID NOT GO OUT OF BOUNDS
    AND WAS FOULED.

    THE REFS GIVE THE BALL TO GONZOS

  147. Trump says:

    Obama wiretapping everyone is reality, PO dumbas/.

    The only open question is, which stooge is going to take the fall for the race-baiting affirmative action hire?

  148. Cash Cow TM says:

    Play under review!

    1:50 left.

    Tied 55 all.

  149. Trump says:

    Man, nov 8 must have been like literal hell for you, PO.

    What grand plans you had.

    Now all your heroes likely in jail.

    Bummer.

  150. Proud Obamacon says:

    You wish, punk ass b*tch! Your hero lied accept it. Even now he only says he’s “somewhat” vindicated by whatever his lap dog Nunes souped up. LOL… “Somewhat?” LOLLLLLL

    WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHHHHHH

  151. PresidentPaul! says:

    “AHCA polls 10-15% worse than Clinton’s health care bill or ACA did @ this pt. Both those ended in electoral disaster”

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/this-health-care-bill-may-haunt-the-gop

    “This Health Care Bill May Haunt The GOP”

  152. Proud Obamacon says:

    B*tch, the only ppl going to jail are your people for colluding with Putin and handing the US over to the Russians. Disgraceful… but why would you care. It’s all business. America first? Hell no, TRUMP business first.

    Disgusting

  153. Trump says:

    Your tears are delicious, PO.

    Like visions of never-ending commie rule stretching for generations.

    All dashed at 11:30 pm nov 8.

    I always get a laugh out of the hangdog morons crying at the Clinton hq that night.

    And their Joan of arc not even having the guts to come and talk to her puppies.

  154. Trump says:

    How did that feel, getting stood up by an old hag?

  155. Cash Cow TM says:

    gonzos up 60-58

    WVU ball

    53 seconds left.

    Either this will be a GREAT day to be a Mountaineer, or it won’t.

  156. Proud Obamacon says:

    Still living in the past I see…. You ain’t even trying to defend your hero. Go jerk off to the orange groper some more, moron.

  157. Robbie says:

    Called it. The Freedom Caucus will use this to try and depose Ryan as Speaker. Not doubt, Bannon has been whispering in Trump’s ear.

    The New York Times?
    @nytimes

    Trump has told people close to him that he regrets going along with Paul Ryan’s plan to push health care first

  158. Cash Cow TM says:

    CRAP

  159. Trump says:

    I keep telling the GOP.

    Walk away from this cra- sandwich.

    Nothing good will come out of ramming an unpopular bill through with bare minimum votes.

    It will not get better with time.

  160. Proud Obamacon says:

    Called it. The Freedom Caucus will use this to try and depose Ryan as Speaker. Not doubt, Bannon has been whispering in Trump’s ear.

    POPCORN.CAN’T.POP.FAST.ENUFFFFFFF

    lollllll

  161. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    March 23, 2017 at 9:12 pm
    81. “and it may ruin the Republican majorities in 2018.”

    Do you really think the Democrats can take the Senate? Which seats do you think the Democrats will gain in Senate elections in 2018? Do you think all the Democrats will be re-elected?

    – That seems unlikely, but if Trump’s approval keeps falling and the Freedom Caucus produces a string of legislative fiascoes, then anything is possible.

  162. Cash Cow TM says:

    61-58

    WVU gets off two 3 point attempts.
    Gets the offensive rebound and in 9 seconds FAILS TO GET A $-@&* SHOT OFF AS TIME EXPIRES.

    mOTHer .vmwmx

  163. Proud Obamacon says:

    UNSUBSCRIBE Cash Cow .. thanks

  164. Walt says:

    Today is only an ok day to be a Mountaineer.

    Still proud of the ‘eers.
    Played em close all the way.

    Hats off to the Gonzos.

  165. Tina says:

    Mire anonymous source?

    Fake news.

  166. Proud Obamacon says:

    Rough days for WV.

    First, two coal plants are closing while The Orange Groper golfs and is busy taking away healthcare for 26 million.

    Second, they lose to Gonzaga

    SAD!

  167. Alternative facts says:

    Breaking …

    AHCA passes 435-0. Trump shows he’s a true deal maker! 14 million instantly gain free health insurance.

    Ignore CNN trying to spoil it – That is FAKE NEWS!

  168. Robbie says:

    Interesting strategy by West Virginia to dribble out the clock while down three.

  169. Alternative facts says:

    “Interesting strategy by West Virginia to dribble out the clock while down three.”

    MORE FAKE NEWS!

    Read Briebart for the real news – WV wins 99-21. On to the Final Four!

  170. Robbie says:

    Tax reform was also going to be part of reconciliation and it was going to be based on Obamacare repeal. One was based on the other.

    With the Obamacare repeal bill in dire condition, it’s very likely tax reform will be every bit as difficult and may end up failing as well if Obamacare repeal fails.

    The Freedom Caucus doesn’t play ball with anyone so I’d have to guess it’s unlikely that will be a smooth process, especially since they’ll raise a ruckus over the border adjustment tax.

    The Freedom Caucus has definitely over played their hand on Obamacare, but they’re purity obsessed ideologues. They don’t care about results.

  171. Trump says:

    Get a real speaker, moron. Things will.be different then.

  172. Proud Obamacon says:

    Looks like Trump the poster left to go whack off to his fantasy of a 3some with OrangeGroper and Bannon. BARF

  173. Cash Cow TM says:

    But, PO,

    So far since Trump has been elected…

    two col mines have reopened in WV.
    ___________________________________
    FirstEnergy is buying another power plant in WV
    ________________________________
    A new manufacturing plant will be opening in northern WV.
    ____________________________________
    Bombardier is expanding its West Virginia Air Center in Bridgeport, a move officials said would generate about 150 jobs and double the size of the existing service center. – See more at: http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news-business/20161115/bombardier-facility-in-wv-to-expand-add-jobs#sthash.N1KRn3k0.dpuf
    __________________________________________
    Distribution center planned for Milton WV; 70 jobs possible
    A warehouse and distribution center for wholesale giant H.T. Hackney Co. is set to open in the city of Milton, creating an estimated 70 jobs, according to a state Department of Commerce news release Tuesday.

    – See more at: http://www.wvgazettemail.com/section/GZ03&template=archive&profile=1102&PageNumber=3#sthash.1gGdbGu9.dpuf
    __________________________________
    Proctor & Gamble ahead of schedule to open its manufacturing plant in Berkeley County WV

  174. Proud Obamacon says:

    Oh he’s back. Guess the Speaker won’t be making it a 4-way in his fantasy. Maybe Nunes can be the 4th LOL

    Nasty!

  175. Proud Obamacon says:

    But Cash Cow,

    Carrier and others have announced layoffs this week. Where is the Groper in Chief? ?

  176. Trump says:

    Wow, talk about timing,, PO.

    How does it feel to have all your dreams slip away?

  177. Cash Cow TM says:

    Oh, and they are moving ahead with the gas pipeline here in the eastern panhandle of WV.

    And with the bigger $6 billion pipeline to move NatGas to VA and NC.

  178. Tina says:

    Carrier went to mexico months ago.

  179. Trump says:

    Or rather, smashed in your face with hob-naked boots, dumb motherfuc$er?

  180. Trump says:

    Did you believe all the lies Obama ha Hillary shoveled down your sorry as-?

  181. Robbie says:

    Name a real Speaker, soccer guru.

    I can’t wait to read this answer.

  182. Trump says:

    You obviously did, you are so proud of it.

  183. Trump says:

    Anyone but the incompetent boob that is occupying the chair.

    How incompetent do you have to be to pull your own most consequential bill off the floor?

  184. Trump says:

    Ryan makes the drunk boehner look like Einstein.

  185. Trump says:

    Heck, even the convicted pedophile was a genius compared to Ryan.

  186. Cash Cow TM says:

    Speaking of ProudObamaCon…

    Did anyone see the TV comedy show “Blackish” yesterday?

    They did a spoof on the national election is the guise of the one Black son running for president of his high school student body.

    They used white guilt, all sorts of things that were a micronism of Obama running and winning in 2008 and 2012.

    The boy decided to wear a tangerine colored “leisure suit” that turned out to be a woman’s pants suit–the father they he Hillary-ed himself.

    Another candidate was using fake news against the boy, and the Black teen started to used fake news to recover in the polls…

    One thing after another….it was a hoot.

  187. Proud Obamacon says:

    So, were you giving or receiving from Bannon and OrangeGroper in your sexual fantasy?

  188. Robbie says:

    As I figured, no names. Just a lot of bluster from someone whose IQ probably isn’t high enough to allow for execution if convicted of murder.

  189. Cash Cow TM says:

    Alternative facts

    native cattle farts!!?!!??!?!!
    *******************************
    YES!

  190. Trump says:

    you got reamed by the race hustler affirmative action hire and the hag grandma. Real good, didn’t you, dumb fu$k? And then the old hag even stood you up on November 8.

    You really have suffered, haven’t you, donkey PO? Couldn’t have happened to a nicer as-hole.

  191. Trump says:

    Pick a name from Podunk phone book.

  192. Trump says:

    Or Jeb,. There’s a name to get your heart pumping, coc-sucker.

  193. Trump says:

    How’s your wiretapping nsrrative coming, retard? Any breaking tweets from some no name idiot with 2 followers, one of them being you and the other being your mother?

  194. Cash Cow TM says:

    25 times.

    Number of times Gonzaga has won by blowing away opponents by 15 to 35 points or more in a basketball game this season.
    **************************************
    Beat WVU tonight by 3.
    tied at half 30-30
    Tied 55-55 with just 2 minutes or so left in the game.

    Most they were ever up on WV was 8, but WVU erased that deficit.

    Proud of WVU Mountaineers, even in a loss tonight.
    _____________________________
    BTW,

    Fairmont University–from Fairmont WV–won its semi final in Division II tonight and will play for the championship in Div. II.

  195. Proud Obamacon says:

    OK loooosah, coming unhinged I see. Time to whack it one more time this time to Brietbart’s carcass.

  196. Trump says:

    I bet you loved it, PO. Your kind always does.

  197. Trump says:

    Did you get paid, at least?

  198. Proud Obamacon says:

    OK… such a lightweight.. get lost.

    PO Out!

    Grabbing more popcorn LOLLLL.. PEACE

  199. Trump says:

    Don’t tell me you got stiffed? You did, in a sense, but you know…

  200. Trump says:

    Well, I am not a lard as- like you, for sure.

  201. NYCmike says:

    “Reagan would never make it today. Although a conservative, he realized politics is the art of compromise. The Deadenders would have run the greatest President of the 20th Century out of the party.”

    -This is such Bullsh*t!

    Who was Ryan compromising with? They own the House.
    If this had to be done because of the reconciliation procedures, then simple (but not easy) communication was necessary. Instead, they made a show of locking up the bill so that nobody could see it. WTF!?

    That is what you are defending!? You can see the bill after we pass the bill!!??

  202. NYCmike says:

    As for who should be speaker, go with someone who can speak like Reagan, which means you always get the conservative viewpoint being broadcast, while able to figure out what compromises will be needed with your base, and do that before the bill becomes public.

    IF they start changing demands after a bill is agreed upon in private, then you go public with that information, and make sure everyone knows about their bad faith.

  203. Tina says:

    Carrierr got obumbker stimulus cash un 2016 and then relocated to mexico.

  204. Tina says:

    Did they take the benefits to illegals out of the bill?

    Serious question. i have not been following it.

  205. NYCmike says:

    Ryan’s job was to get a unified House to push this through, then get changes made with Senate and the reconciliation process.

    He chose to place the bill behind closed doors. That is not the way for a leader to act. He should have been selling the plan for weeks leading up to the votes!

  206. Trump says:

    Every bill should list the names of the lobbyists who wrote it.

  207. NYCmike says:

    Tina,

    Not sure. All of the people who keep blaming the “deadenders” don’t seem to have any details to back up their unwavering support.

  208. Bitterlaw says:

    Sorry, Cash Cow. Horrible final possession by WV. With 30 seconds left they should have attacked the basket. Make it and possibly get fouled. Zags sucked at the line so WV still likely gets one more possession down 1-3 points.

  209. Trump says:

    It seems that the moderates have not even seen the bill.

    Ryan, or more precisely, his insurance lobbyists wrote it, and he has been trying to negotiate with HFC.

  210. NYCmike says:

    I am still waiting for Robbie to talk about Levin’s “rants” again, the ones where he took NY Times and WAPO stories as evidence. The closer we get to Friday, the more it looks like either those papers were lying about the “wiretaps”, aka surveillance, or Levin was correct in his assumptions.

    Either way, Trump/Republicans/Levin are vindicated.

  211. NYCmike says:

    “It seems that the moderates have not even seen the bill.”

    -Link?

  212. NYCmike says:

    Ca$h Cow,

    Sorry, it was my nephew’s fault. Him and his friends paid a lot of money in a March Madness auction, and they have Gonzaga. They have won it all, or been in the money, 4 of the last 5 years. One more win and they are in the money again.

    I am pissed I did not get in on it!

  213. NYCmike says:

    Cheers.

  214. NYCmike says:

    One other point: Every single Republican in the Senate should be saying 2 things about Gorsuch: a) The Reid rule (2013) and b) Biden rule (from 1992).

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/23/time-republicans-embrace-nuclear-option-neil-gorsuch/

  215. Tina says:

    I hope mcamnesty and the maine chicklet, and fraud flake do not goo oof reservstion.

  216. chicon says:

    Probably another boring news day tomorrow…..We live in interesting times.

  217. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    213. The Zags are incredible this year. They have only lost one game, and it was very close. Could see them winning the NCAA tournament this year.

  218. chicon says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/potential-smoking-gun-showing-obama-administration-spied-on-trump-team-source-says.html

    Where’s Vito? He was spelling out this whole process to Robbie soon after the famous tweet that still has Robbie in a tizzy.

  219. chicon says:

    218 – No way, it is gonna be either ‘Nova or Duke.

  220. Tina says:

    There is an interesting piece on the tapping by bill gertz at drudge.

  221. messy says:

    215 There is NO Biden rule.

  222. messy says:

    202. Factions within the party. Many want to destroy the USA. Many don’t.

  223. PresidentPaul! says:

    Biden rule said that Bush #1 didn’t get any supreme court picks in his last year in office with a plan to delay until after the 92 election.

    Much like blocking judge Bork that backfired on the dems as the republicans adopted the rule.

  224. Tom Cotton/Rubio says:

    Paul Ryan didn’t hold hearings. He locked up the bill. He is a fool who should resign.

  225. Phil says:

    ”There is no need to filibuster. Gorsuch is a good guy”

    Lisa Murkowski

  226. Phil says:

    On what should Republicans do if Democrats garner 41 votes to block Gorsuch and the nuclear option.

    ”None of us want to do it, but in the end I believe Gorsuch will be confirmed”

    John McCain.

    So we have Graham, McCain, and Murkowski giving indications that they will go all the way to put Gorsuch on the Court. Sorry, Chuckie, no deals. Force McConnell to push the button. It makes confirming Kennedy’s replacement or Ginsberg’s replacement by a reasonably conservative judge just that much easier.

  227. NYCmike says:

    “213. The Zags are incredible this year. They have only lost one game, and it was very close. Could see them winning the NCAA tournament this year.”

    -If Gonzaga does, my nephew may get a new car instead of a used one…..

  228. NYCmike says:

    Found on Instapundit, with his funny remark….

    “HOW CAN YOU TELL?” Canada’s Diplomats Told to Stop Using Cardboard Cutouts of Justin Trudeau at Events.

    Posted at 10:00 am by Glenn Reynolds

    https://heatst.com/uncategorized/canadas-diplomats-urged-to-stop-using-cardboard-cutouts-of-justin-trudeau-at-events/

  229. Wes says:

    Schumer may have picked the wrong hill to die on. I wouldn’t be surprised if Schumer, realizing McConnell will flatten him over this, lets some Dems vote to end a filibuster of Gorsuch rather than see Republicans be able to steamroll the Dems by rote on the next nominee.

  230. NYCmike says:

    Maybe McConnell should just go with the Reid rule anyway, just for sh*ts and g*ggles!?

  231. Phil says:

    Wes, beginning to think Schumer (and he has to know resistance is futile on Gorsuch) that he is setting up a filibuster to allow red state Democrats up for reelection to vote to end the filibuster. He knows Gorsuch gets through anyway so this simply allows endangered red state senators to show off their “moderation and independence” to their red state constituencies prior to the 2018 elections. Doesn’t cost Schumer a thing since Gorsuch gets through regardless.

    Campaign ploy. Also by filibustering he plays to his whacko base for fundraising purposes.

  232. Robbie says:

    I think Schumer’s gambit is an effort to see if Republicans have the votes to nuke the filibuster. Right now, it seems they do, but I haven’t heard from Susan Collins. Has anyone else heard her comment on this topic? Murkowski, of all people, seemed to suggest she supported nuking the filibuster yesterday.

  233. Robbie says:

    I’m glad to see Trump used his Twitter feed to go after the Freedom Caucus. They deserve it since they are not interested in any form of governing. Louis Gohmert could write the bill and the Freedom Caucus would still vote against it.

    Regardless of what happens today, the Freedom Caucus needs to be isolated as we move forward with tax reform and the debt ceiling. They can’t be allowed to be political hostage takers anymore.

  234. Trump says:

    The Jeb coc-sucker still yapping?

    If anybody listened to this moron, Hillary would be president, having crushed the despicable Jeb.

  235. Robbie says:

    Meanwhile, Republicans are increasing their spending in Tom Price’s old Congressional seat. The Democrat is polling around 40% and Republicans want to make sure he doesn’t hit 50% and avoid a runoff.

    It still seems unlikely Republicans will blow this seat, but they’re trying hard.

  236. Wes says:

    Republicans aren’t going to let Schumer win on the Gorsuch nomination. Attempting a filibuster is also a potentially dubious ploy as Republicans running for Senate can argue Dems in the Senate do nothing but enable Schumer’s obstructionism.

  237. Wes says:

    How are Republicans trying to blow Price’s seat? The strongest Republican just got a prominent endorsement, and the GOP is increasing spending.

    That looks like trying to save the seat to me.

  238. Phil says:

    Got to think In the end Price’s seat stays in GOP’s hands.

  239. Robbie says:

    Wes

    I’m not predicting a loss, but the efforts to define Osoff early didn’t work. They’re changing tactics now.

  240. Robbie says:

    There are reports this morning suggesting Trump’s take it or leave it ploy has successfully isolated the Freedom Caucus. If Trump breaks the back of the Freedom Caucus, it could be his biggest achievement.

  241. NYCmike says:

    “There are reports”

    -I guess I’ll wait for Robbie’s update later…..

  242. NYCmike says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq1oFOBut5o

    -I think I found MD!!

    Watch the last minute of the clip

  243. jason says:

    I am glad Lou will do the right thing….maybe wes is right, he can run for the Senate.

    Rep. Lou Barletta (R-Pa.) says he will now vote for the House’s ObamaCare replacement bill after getting a commitment for a vote on legislation ensuring that tax credits do not go to illegal immigrants.”

  244. jason says:

    Bring it to a vote.

    If the deadenders want Obamacare, give it to them.

    No free lunch.

  245. Robbie says:

    Brit Hume?
    Verified account
     @brithume 19s
    20 seconds ago

    More
    Brit Hume Retweeted Sean Davis
    The blame is on the Freedom Caucus & Sens. Lee, Cruz & Paul, who once more want to lead Congressional GOP to another political dead-end.

  246. Robbie says:

    Jason

    I understand your sentiment, but a loss is a major setback for an already struggling White House and encourages the viewpoint Republicans can’t run the government.

    On top of that, the Freedom caucus will feel little if any blowback because the flame thrower radio hosts and the conservative interest groups are behind what they’re doing. They’ll get the cover they need while Ryan is politically drawn and quartered.

  247. Robbie says:

    My view defeating Ryan’s healthcare plan was as much about deposing Ryan as Speaker as anything else seems to be gaining steam.

    John Harwood?
    Verified account
     
    @JohnJHarwood
    Follow

    More
    Trump friend Ruddy: “Ryan did major disservice. President had confidence he’d come up with good plan. disappointing”

  248. Robbie says:

    Tim Alberta?
    Verified account
     
    @TimAlberta
    Follow

    More
    Barring a dramatic turnaround, AHCA is going down — and perhaps by a wider margin than anyone could’ve predicted

  249. Trump says:

    Ryan is the most incompetent speaker ever.

    Can’t even get a vote on his own bill.

    Has to have Trump negotiate his bill, and also schedule a vote.

  250. Trump says:

    Trump has to do Ryan’s job too.

  251. Robbie says:

    A Trump tweet with which I agree.

    Donald J. Trump?
    Verified account
     @realDonaldTrump 3h
    3 hours ago

    More
    The irony is that the Freedom Caucus, which is very pro-life and against Planned Parenthood, allows P.P. to continue if they stop this plan!

  252. Trump says:

    Is pp funding stripped out in ryancare bill?

  253. Robbie says:

    Trump says:
    March 24, 2017 at 12:02 pm
    Is pp funding stripped out in ryancare bill?

    – Nope. It’s in there.

  254. Robbie says:

    Just to be clear. Ryan’s bill strips all funding of Planned Parenthood.

  255. chicon says:

    236 – After months of abhorring Trump’s use of Twitter, Robbie is now a fan. Of course, the content of the tweet had nothing to do with the new view….

  256. PresidentPaul! says:

    Midterm Suicide
    Dem Super PAC Poll: Republicans Take **33-Point** Approval Hit for Backing Insurance Bill

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/24/ryancare-shifts-voters-against-gop-poll/

  257. PresidentPaul! says:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-24/general-mcinerney-says-obama-was-heavily-listening-what-was-going-trump-campaign

    General McInerney Says Obama Was ‘Heavily Listening to What Was Going on in the Trump Campaign’

  258. Trump says:

    Source: Ryan tells Trump they don’t have the votes for health care bill, asking what to do next

    What does he gat paid for, then?

  259. Waingro says:

    Checking in to see if the Trumpkins on here got the memo to get behind their master and start driving the buses over Ryan. Looks like that is indeed the case.

  260. Trump says:

    $15,000 a month offered to ‘ATeams’ to fight Trump agenda.

    Easy money for the Jeb coc-sucker Robbie. He’d be more of a fool than he already is, of he doesn’t take it.

  261. Waingro says:

    “Has to have Trump negotiate his bill”

    LOL. Mr Art of the Deal hasn’t “negotiated” anything. A total fail on his and everyone’s part in this.

  262. Waingro says:

    #248, Brit is an odd duck these days. He absolutely HATES Ted Cruz and the HFC so he is A-OK dumping on them here. Then minutes later, he realizes that Trumpkins are now, in effect, blaming Paul Ryan for everything….so he circles the wagons.

    Brit Hume?Verified account @brithume 17m17 minutes ago

    Trump backers saying he’s really not responsible re: AHCA are, in effect, saying he’s a dope taken in by evil Svengali Paul Ryan. Ridiculous

  263. Trump says:

    Ramming unpopular bills with thin margins is how you lose majorities.

    Always worth repeating.

  264. Waingro says:

    Philip Klein?Verified account @philipaklein 3m3 minutes ago

    Spicer on Ryan/Trump meeting — “they’re continuing to discuss the way forward” — says vote still on

  265. Waingro says:

    #266, uh, but that’s what Trump wants to do, “Trump”.

  266. Trump says:

    It’s not his job on the line, it’s Ryan’s. And his caucus.

  267. Waingro says:

    Only one looking to “ram” this bill through right now is Trump.

    Robert Costa?Verified account @costareports

    “We want to force the vote.” A top WH official to @washingtonpost at 1:18pm

  268. Trump says:

    Looks likely that either there will be no vote, or this bill will be rejected by overwhelming margins if they insist on a vote.

    Neither conservatives nor moderates are willing to swallow this one.

    Heckuva a job.

  269. Trump says:

    Trump cannot “ram” anything. In case you failed to notice, he is not the speaker of the house.

  270. Trump says:

    Trump seems to want Ryan to lose spectacularly.

  271. jason says:

    Call a vote.

    Let the deadenders own Obamacare. They deserve each other.

    Bunch of whiny scumbags, don’t let them hold the country and party hostage to their blackmail.

    If it doesn’t pass Trump can go out and say he kept his promise, he presented an alternative to Obamacare, but the “freedom caucus” preferred Obamacare.

    No more negotiating with deadenders. Let’s have the vote and let’s see who votes with the Dems.

  272. jason says:

    Actual Yahoo headline.

    “This picture of Joe Biden greeting a puppy will warm your heart”.

  273. chicon says:

    270 – forcing a vote does not necessarily equal ramming it through. Could be that Trump has reached his bottom line and is done negotiating.

    The conservatives, the moderates, and Trump (whatever he is….) could be all standing firmly on their principles. If there is no place at which they agree, then the party does not have a governing majority. If there is an intersection of their beliefs and positions, they do have a governing majority. We’ll find out soon.

    The vast majority of their voters believe they gave the Republicans a governing majority and will be pretty angry if they find out otherwise, regardless of the details. All sides need to take 80% of what they want and call it a victory.

  274. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 24, 2017 at 12:50 pm
    236 – After months of abhorring Trump’s use of Twitter, Robbie is now a fan. Of course, the content of the tweet had nothing to do with the new view….

    – I don’t like Trump’s use of Twitter, but even a blind squirrel can find a nut. On this one, he got it right.

  275. Robbie says:

    PresidentPaul! says:
    March 24, 2017 at 12:58 pm
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-24/general-mcinerney-says-obama-was-heavily-listening-what-was-going-trump-campaign
    General McInerney Says Obama Was ‘Heavily Listening to What Was Going on in the Trump Campaign’

    – General McInerney also said Malaysia 370 was hijacked in 2014 and sitting on a Pakistani runway.

  276. janz says:

    I agree with another poster here that failure to pass the AHCA will result in more vulnerability for the passage of other parts of the Trump economic agenda. “Deadenders” is such an appropriate description for many in the Freedom Caucus, as they are “deadending” progress forward to better the economy by their No vote.

  277. Robbie says:

    Congratulations to Speaker Nancy Pelosi. On January 3, 2019, she will deliver two messages in her first address to the House. First, she will graciously thank the Freedom Caucus for all the help they have provided her and Democrats. Second, she will instruct the House Judiciary committee to begin impeachment hearings.

  278. chicon says:

    The concern troll is having a ball!!

  279. janz says:

    I have to compliment Trump, though, that he has thoroughly engaged in the process of passing the AHCA, meeting personally with a 120 people to whip votes. I also think it’s politically savvy to declare a deadline for passing it, quickly moving on to something else should the deadenders win.

  280. Robbie says:

    It’s really something to watch this mess. The Tea Party, which based its entire existence on opposing Obamacare, will now be the group that effectively ensures Obamacare will stay part of our lives forever. This is what happens when purity obsessed idiots get involved in the process.

    It wasn’t bad enough the Tea Party cost Republicans Senate seats in DE, CO, NV, IN, and MO. Now their offspring, the Freedom Caucus, is going to torpedo everything that was slated to come after Obamacare repeal. Every member of the Freedom Caucus deserves a well funded challenger.

    Anyone who thinks tax reform, or regulation reform, or the debt ceiling will be easy has no concept of what has happened this week. Mark Meadows and his band of buffoons will throw every monkey wrench they have into those items and they’ll do it without a care in the world because none of them will suffer in 2018. They are political suicide bombers.

  281. Robbie says:

    janz says:
    March 24, 2017 at 2:18 pm
    I have to compliment Trump, though, that he has thoroughly engaged in the process of passing the AHCA, meeting personally with a 120 people to whip votes. I also think it’s politically savvy to declare a deadline for passing it, quickly moving on to something else should the deadenders win.

    – I agree with this. Trump did far more than I ever expected he would. He conducted himself as a president should. He deserves credit.

  282. Robbie says:

    Erica Werner? @ericawerner Mar 23

    More
    Hard to do justice to what is unfolding here: After fully 7 years of talking constantly about repeal, R’s are choking at the moment of truth

  283. Robbie says:

    When President Warren signs a single payer health care bill passed by Speaker Pelosi’s House and Majority Leader Schumer’s Senate, I am really going to enjoy watching the Freedom Caucus members complain on Hannity’s FoxNews show.

  284. jason says:

    I am with Trump on this. Hold the vote.

    “The Trump administration is doubling down on its demand that House Republican leaders hold a vote Friday on their embattled health-care bill without any changes. White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said the vote will proceed as scheduled Friday afternoon.
    “It’s not a question of negotiating any more, it’s understanding the greater good,” Spicer said at a news conference. “This is it.” The president, he added, has “made it clear this is our moment.”

  285. jason says:

    “Understanding the greater good”.

    Exactly.

    The deadenders want to hold out for all or nothing?

    Give them nothing.

  286. jason says:

    Trump also said if if doesn’t pass he is moving on to other things.

    So the deadenders can take Obamacare or leave it, there is no coming back.

  287. jason says:

    People who want all or nothing usually get nothing.

    Well maybe the deadenders will get invited to the Dems “We saved Obamacare party”, that’s something.

  288. Robbie says:

    I hope Trump and Bannon realize there is no honest negotiating with the Freedom Caucus. Just wait until the debt ceiling debate. That will be a fiasco.

    America is, sadly, seeing Republicans aren’t very good at governing. And unfortunately, that’s because the Freedom caucus isn’t interested in governing, but their numbers allow them to take down any bill.

  289. janz says:

    According to WSJ live blog of the AHCA debate, the “no” votes are ‘piling up.” Even Comstock, from VA, is a no vote. Politics is so frustratingly unreasonable!

  290. Robbie says:

    On his show today, Rush Limbaugh claimed the establishment was trying to kill this bill. Wrong! It’s the deadenders who he has supported the last eight years.

  291. janz says:

    “People who want all or nothing usually get nothing.”

    Aka “extremism usually fails.”

  292. jason says:

    Over a DKos they are ecstatic Obamacare might survive.

    And they don’t give the deadenders any credit either.

  293. Waingro says:

    Loving Robbie’s Defcon 5 Concern Trolling. Feels like old times!

  294. Trump says:

    Great to see the butt hurt.

    Overwhelming rejection.

    Who wants to vote yes for a dead turkey?

  295. Trump says:

    Otherwise known as preference cascade.

  296. jason says:

    “North Carolina Congressman Mark Meadows, the chairman of the pivotal conservative bloc known as the Freedom Caucus, said he and others were struggling to support the plan.

    “I am desperately trying to get to ‘yes’ and I think the president knows that. I told him that personally,” Meadows said. However, after Thursday night’s meeting, he was still a ‘no’.”

    Wow, what a moron. Don’t waste time “negotiating” with this idiot.

  297. Trump says:

    17 percent approval for this turkey.

    Let that sink in

  298. Waingro says:

    #299, yet Trumpkins are all putting Paul Ryan under the bus instead.

  299. jason says:

    Ok so if its going to be overwhelmingly rejected lets have the vote and see who is going to vote with Pelosi on national TV.

    Let’s have the names.

    No more negotiating. Hold the vote.

  300. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    March 24, 2017 at 2:43 pm
    Loving Robbie’s Defcon 5 Concern Trolling. Feels like old times!

    – For a president to receive a rebuke like this from his own party after just two months is something I’m not sure we’ve ever seen and it is going to foster the perception Republicans are incapable of governing.

    Clearly, Paul Ryan put forth a bill that needed work and I’m disappointed his product never was able to get the support of outside group with whom he’s worked for so many years. That said, this is simply a vehicle to get to repeal and replace, yet the deadenders act as if this is the last word on the subject.

    Everyone, including the suicide bombers at the Freedom Caucus knew, the Senate would pass a bill and then there would be a conference. But instead, Mark Meadows and his crowd decided it was better to please Ingraham, Hannity, and the hard right pressure groups because they didn’t get 100% of what they wanted.

  301. Trump says:

    La raza pimp, no ones negotiating anymore.

    It’ll be a miracle if this turkey gets 100 votes.

  302. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    297. “Who wants to vote yes for a dead turkey?”

    President Trump badly wants a yes vote on what you call a “dead turkey.” Since your opposing Trump, I would suggest you stop misusing his name when posting.

  303. Trump says:

    Hopefully, Ryan will be gone.

  304. jason says:

    17 percent approval for this turkey.”

    So that means its worse than Obamacare, right?

    Ok let’s vote on it and see who thinks Obamacare is better.

    Don’t let the deadenders kill the bill without a vote. Make them vote for Obamacare.

    Trump said this is it, take it leave it. So anyone voting against it knows they are making Obamacare permanent.

    Let’s see who these people are.

  305. Robbie says:

    CALLED IT!

    Yashar?
    @yashar

    A House Republican saw this tweet and sent me this DM: “I supported Ryan and I’m done w/ him. He’s weak, but don’t know who can replace him”

  306. jason says:

    It’ll be a miracle if this turkey gets 100 votes.”

    Ok fine, let’s vote and see.

  307. Trump says:

    I am waiting for declarations to leave the GOP, from ones who are still in the party,

  308. chicon says:

    301 – It is not on Trump and it is not on Ryan. It is on the House Republicans as a whole. They’re the ones who are unable to compromise to the point of an agreement. If they are unable to do so, why should Ryan and Trump keep the issue front and center? Find something you can accomplish with these misfits in the House and do it.

  309. jason says:

    Huh, SD, Soccer Moron never supported Trump.

    He supported the destruction of the R party, and became more unhinged when it didn’t happen.

    He just sees this as another opportunity.

  310. jason says:

    Find something you can accomplish with these misfits in the House and do it.”

    Negotiating with deadenders is like negotiating with terrorists.

    Nothing will come of it because they have a different agenda.

    None of these morons really cares about health care, I bet most never even read the bill. It’s about them, it’s not about the country.

  311. Tom Cotton/Rubio says:

    The Anerican people will forget this if Trump build the wall and spend a trillion dollars on roads and bridges. Jobs are more important.

  312. janz says:

    Jason, your posts today are spot on.

  313. chicon says:

    308 – …”but I don’t know who can replace him.” That right there is the issue. There may be such disparate points-of-view among House republicans that nobody can effectively lead them as a governing coalition.

  314. Trump says:

    Sec., what are you moaning about? Go cry to egg McMuffin, you didn’t even vote for trump.

    Same goes for la raza pimp, maybe president Daffy Duck can repeal Obamacare.

  315. janz says:

    I’m wondering where the “win” is for the freedom Caucus members? What will they ultimately achieve, except to see Obama care win by surviving the vote to get rid of it?

  316. chicon says:

    313 – I suspect there are some issues on which the House GOP can agree.

  317. chicon says:

    318 – their victory is the maintenance of their purity. What that gets them, I’m not sure.

  318. Trump says:

    Ha ha…

    “….but the bill lost support rather than gained it as the day wore on.”

  319. Robbie says:

    There is no “win” for the Freedom Caucus. They could have written the bill and they still would have turned against it and voted no. They aren’t there to govern. They are political terrorist who take hostages.

  320. janz says:

    Amazing…some no voters are predicting the vote won’t even be close, in favoring the “no” position. The Dems and Obama must be overjoyed!

  321. Trump says:

    even the moderates rebelled.

    Rodney feeling house, app chairman: the bill raise costs unacceptably on his constituents. So did Barbara comstock, a key moderate republican, and David Joyce of Ohio.

  322. jason says:

    Ok, so let’s have the vote. Let’s see who is going to vote with Pelosi to keep Obamacare.

    No need to discuss anything more.

    Hold the vote.

    I want to see which “freedom caucus” members think Obamacare represents “freedom”.

  323. Trump says:

    Janz, that s why I mentioned that it will be a miracle if the bill got 100 yes votes.

    Who wants to vote for increased premiums on seniors?

  324. Trump says:

    Why do you keep bleating, let’s have the vote, to me, pimp,?

    Go talk to Ryan, he decides.

  325. Marc says:

    The Republican Party is right now bracing for the failure of its core campaign promise of the last 7 years, defeating the repeal bill will show many of these politicians to be the shiftless and valueless and opportunistic people on the face of the earth.

  326. jason says:

    Same goes for la raza pimp, maybe president Daffy Duck can repeal Obamacare.”

    Actually, I have said for years Obamacare would never be “repealed”, it was too late for that. Once entitlements are given you can’t go back.

    But I always said it could be improved and made more market friendly and less bureaucratic.

    This bill does that.

    But if the deadenders want to keep Obamacare, so be it.

  327. Trump says:

    Increased premiums, less coverage.

    What’s not to like?

  328. Marc says:

    70 votes to repeal when they knew either the Senate or Obama would kill it, yet at the first opportunity to repeal Obamacare they run scared.

    President Trump needs to call out these traitors

  329. jason says:

    Why do you keep bleating, let’s have the vote, to me, pimp,?”

    Try not to delude yourself that you would be that important.

    You are about as important as a gnat on an elephant’s ass.

  330. Trump says:

    Hill GOP moderates buck their leaders and Trump.

    Trump agreed to remove ” essential benefits”, pulling the rug from under Ryan’s feet.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer idiot.

  331. jason says:

    he Dems and Obama must be overjoyed!”

    Hey, they know they can always count on the deadenders.

  332. chicon says:

    331 – I suspect he will call them out. My expert analysis suggests Trump is not shy in situations like this. I learned this while hovering at 10,000 feet.

  333. jason says:

    Hmmmm…

    Sen. Lindsey Graham signals support for nuclear option if Democrats filibuster Gorsuch vote.

    Graham added, “If my Democratic colleagues choose to filibuster this guy, then they will be telling me that they don’t accept the election results — 306 electoral votes — that they’re trying to delegitimize President Trump, and that’s not right and we would have to change the rules to have the Supreme Court like everybody else.” ..

  334. jason says:

    It might be better in the long run anyway.

    If Obamacare survives, the Dems and the Deadenders will own it, and Trump is off the hook on HC.

    The Dems will be forced to run against the Russians in 2018 instead of showcasing victims of Trumpcare.

    It’s sad that a crappy law like Obamacare survives, but there is a silver lining.

  335. chicon says:

    336 – Hopefully the Dems do decide to filibuster. I think the odds of the Republicans dropping the filibuster are greater if the seat in question is the Scalia seat. If Ginsburg is being replaced next time with another strong conservative, some moderate GOP senators may get nervous about going nuclear. Imo, it would be a good thing if the filibuster goes away during the Gorsuch nomination.

  336. Robbie says:

    Jason

    The big problem with the failure of healthcare is tax reform was based on the saving of Obamacare repeal. The net result is the tax reform will now be smaller. So in effect, the Freedom Caucus has not only preserved Obamacare, but also ensured a smaller tax cut. Brilliant.

  337. chicon says:

    339 – Not true. Just saw the OMB guy dispelling that notion. But if you’d like to espouse concern, don’t let me stop you.

  338. janz says:

    The bigger picture for the passage of the AHCA was that there were still opportunities available, ahead of it, to modify and finesse it’s rough edges. However, if it becomes a non-starter, then momentum is lost in enacting anything different from the ACA!

    Also, the R party looks inept, Trump has been delievered a setback from whatever prestige he may have recently cultivated, factions deepen within the party, and the likelihood of a stronger tax reform bill has diminished because of the lack of deficit reductions that would have been gained under passing the AHCA first.

    What idiots!!!

  339. chicon says:

    So, what was Comey doing at the White House today? Perhaps updating the President on the status of the missing persons case of one “MD” of HHR? Enquiring minds want to know.

  340. Bitterlaw says:

    Breaking News – I’m still on my wife’s health insurance. The rest of you can suck it.

  341. chicon says:

    343 – lucky bastage. On the other hand, you’re still an Eagles fan….

  342. janz says:

    Drudge now has “DOA” topping it’s page. Oh well, at least Bitter is still on his wife’s health insurance, symbolizing a ray of sunshine somewhere.

  343. Robbie says:

    No vote. Just announced.

  344. janz says:

    Gohmert tweeted a possible postponement of the vote. If Robbie is correct, I guess that did happen. I have mixed feelings, though, as to whether this is a right move/wrong move postponement. For me, pulling the bandaid off quickly is ultimately less painful.

  345. Trump says:

    Ha ha ha

    Folks don’t want to vote for a bill with 17 percent public support?

    Who’d think it?

  346. Barrett says:

    Yep, they pulled the bill. Ryan supposedly giving a statement at 4pm

  347. Barrett says:

    SoccerMoron, why are you laughing? Trump’s ability to influence the legislature has greatly diminished.

    His ultimatum of “vote for this or keep obamacare” didn’t scare anyone. Ineffective.

  348. Robbie says:

    There is no negotiating with the Freedom Caucus. Every one should be drawn and quartered and their heads should be placed on pikes outside the Capital.

  349. Barrett says:

    Definitely agree. The Freedom Caucus f*cked this up.

  350. Trump says:

    AP reporting that house republicans withdraw health care bill.

    Ryan needs to go. Biggest incompetent, where incompetence is the norm.

  351. Trump says:

    In a more refined time, Ryan would have committed seppukku.

  352. chicon says:

    354 – Now, now, let’s not get hasty? Oh, wait, you were just excited to transfer blame for the health insurance mess to the Republicans…. Carry on.

  353. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    337. “It might be better in the long run anyway.
    If Obamacare survives, the Dems and the Deadenders will own it, and Trump is off the hook on HC”

    Agree, Trump can say he tried to reform Obamacare, but was prevented by the extremists in the Republican Party. Could even see Trump supporting primary challenges to some of the far right crazies in 2018.

  354. janz says:

    Ah, it appears they pulled the bill altogether! What a travesty this entire process has been.

    One wonders what kind of repercussions will result from the failure to even subject it to a vote count — other than having massive amounts of left-sided ridicule following such a manic healthcare scenario.

  355. Barrett says:

    Republicans might be able to get their agenda back on track in 2018 if this crap keeps up.

  356. Waingro says:

    I would say Freedom caucus takes greatest share of the blame, but numerous “moderates” who opposed bill from very beginning and didn’t budge b/c of Medicaid changes also deserve some too.

    They helped pin in the bill and make it a thread that was extremely difficult to needle in either direction.

  357. janz says:

    It’s now being reported that Trump called Ryan and asked him to pull the bill.

  358. janz says:

    Ryan press conference @ 4.

  359. chicon says:

    So, assuming the bill was pulled by Ryan, who was he trying to protect? Trump’s image? Or is he trying to not poison the well with the conservatives by forcing them to vote in favor of Obamacare? Is Trump happy about the lack of a vote?

  360. janz says:

    Disappointing day for the R party.

  361. Barrett says:

    My stock gains just tripled for the day…hmm…

  362. janz says:

    According to Robert Costa, Trump has said he “doesn’t blame Paul.”

  363. Robbie says:

    No vote is better than vote that is certain to lose, but this is a really bad day for Republicans. This is not Trump’s fault either. he worked hard to make this a success.

    As Brit Hume noted on Twitter earlier, once again Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, and the Freedom Caucus have led Congressional Republicans into a dead end.

  364. Robbie says:

    Wow! They aren’t going to make another attempt at repeal in this Congress.

    Manu Raju?
    Verified account
     @mkraju 10s
    11 seconds ago

    More
    Ryan’s message: it’s time to move on, members say. Andy Barr said health care seems DEAD for this Congress

  365. Marc says:

    Just shows how ideologically committed the Democrats where in 09/10. They risked everything to get Obamacare passed.

  366. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Am not a great fan of McConnell, but have to respect his knowledge of parliamentary procedure and his ability to get things through the Senate. Ryan seems hapless by comparison.

  367. Robbie says:

    Marc says:
    March 24, 2017 at 3:56 pm
    Just shows how ideologically committed the Democrats where in 09/10. They risked everything to get Obamacare passed.

    – Also shows how ideologically committed the Freedom Caucus was to defeat a real chance at repeal.

  368. Bitterlaw says:

    343 – lucky bastage. On the other hand, you’re still an Eagles fan….

    That hurts. GFY.

  369. Proud Obamacon says:

    PUSSIES, That’s what yall are. Pass the bill 50 times when yall knew Obama would veto it. Now that you can get it signed, yall pussy out.

    See ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya!!!

  370. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    March 24, 2017 at 3:57 pm
    Am not a great fan of McConnell, but have to respect his knowledge of parliamentary procedure and his ability to get things through the Senate. Ryan seems hapless by comparison.

    – Not fair. There is no controlling the Freedom Caucus. They are deadenders and not interested in achieving anything unless they get 100% of what they want and even then that may not be enough.

  371. Robbie says:

    Yep.

    Brit Hume?
    Verified account
     @brithume 45s
    45 seconds ago

    More
    .@BretBaier on Fox News: “Today is a win for President Barack Obama.” He should take @freedomcaucus to dinner.

  372. Proud Obamacon says:

    YES DOW shooting up after the bill failed! Cha Ching $$$$$

  373. Waingro says:

    “As Brit Hume noted on Twitter earlier, once again Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, and the Freedom Caucus have led Congressional Republicans into a dead end.”

    Has Ted Cruz said anything about this? He’s been VERY quite about making a call either way, because he’s afraid of Trump turning on him and calling for him to be primaried next year. (Once he’s safely secures the nomination, I bet he turns on Trump again.)

    I think Brit is just pulling Cruz’s name in with those guys because of his blind hatred for the guy. Just my two cents though.

  374. Robbie says:

    Waingro

    Cruz has been meeting with Freedom caucus members the entire time. He wanted to scuttle this bill.

  375. Waingro says:

    It seems ever so clearer now that once John Roberts flipped his vote in that disastrous SCOTUS decision, Obamacare was here to stay.

  376. chicon says:

    It’ll be interesting to hear why Trump called off the vote if they’re not planning on dealing with health care during this session. I would have predicted he would force the conservatives to stand up and vote against repeal of Obamacare. Maybe wants to preserve the ability to work with the Freedom Caucus?

  377. Waingro says:

    #378, so more behind-the-scenes stuff I bet? Nothing on the record I’m sure. Cruz is one slick guy.

  378. Waingro says:

    Uh oh.

    David Corn?Verified account @DavidCornDC

    Costa on MSNBC: Trump says bill won’t be coming back in near future & he’ll see if the Dems want to work with him on healthcare.

  379. janz says:

    Can’t believe they are seemingly going to forego an ACA appeal, and simply reconfigure the Obama care framework. Groan……

  380. Barrett says:

    Cruz is an SOB. I wouldn’t mind him getting Primary’d

  381. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    March 24, 2017 at 4:04 pm
    #378, so more behind-the-scenes stuff I bet? Nothing on the record I’m sure. Cruz is one slick guy.

    – His phony Obamacare filibuster wasn’t behind the scenes or slick.

  382. Robbie says:

    Josh Jordan?
    Verified account
     @NumbersMuncher 3m
    3 minutes ago

    More
    The House Freedom Caucus, created with a single mission in repealing Obamacare, just saved Obamacare. That’s the GOP in a nutshell.

  383. Waingro says:

    #385, right but that was pre-Trump. He is trying to be more “careful” now, because he knows Trump could help blow his re-election chances.

    Guys like Paul are safely re-elected and don’t have to worry as much crossing Trump.

    Cruz will go back to the REAL Cruz the day after he re-secures the GOP nomination.

  384. Robbie says:

    Way to go Freedom Caucus!

    Robert Costa?
    @costareports

    Trump told me he’s willing to cut a bipartisan deal in the future: “When it explodes they [Dems] come to us and we make one beautiful deal.”

  385. Trump says:

    Ha ha ha

    Put it to vote, puss@es.

  386. Waingro says:

    This gonna get worse before it gets better…

    Robert Costa?Verified account @costareports 4m4 minutes ago

    Trump told me he’s willing to cut a bipartisan deal in the future: “When it explodes they [Dems] come to us and we make one beautiful deal.”

  387. Waingro says:

    #389, looking forward to Trump’s single payer bill, “Trump”?

  388. Trump says:

    Looking forward to minority in congress, winegro?

    17 percent.

  389. chicon says:

    392 – easy, now….your side is still the proud owner of the Obamacare disaster. Probably feels a little tight in the shorts…

  390. Robbie says:

    Maggie Haberman?
    Verified account
     @maggieNYT 8s
    8 seconds ago

    More
    TRUMP singled out Tuesday Group for praise, said they’d been “terrific” in implicit knock on Freedom Caucus.

  391. chicon says:

    Sources tell me that Comey just told Trump the FBI has now located MD, but they are unsure if they’ll be able to drag him back to HHR.

    Perhaps this is the Trump failure that would allow MD to return and tell us how right he was all along.

  392. Trump says:

    Sent trump an email last night.

    Seems he listened.

  393. Robbie says:

    Adam Kinzinger?
    @RepKinzinger

    The House Freedom Caucus just single-handedly saved #Obamacare.

  394. chicon says:

    394 – that is because those darn moderates have no morals or principles, and are therefore only too happy to sell out. The HFC, on the other hand, they are pure, almost virginal.

  395. Robbie says:

    Congrats Freedom Caucus!

    margaret brennan?
    Verified account
     @margbrennan 13s
    14 seconds ago

    More
    .@SpeakerRyan admits that no #AHCA makes tax reform “more difficult” but will move ahead. @presssec said earlier august was “ambitious goal”

  396. Trump says:

    Anything Ryan touches turns to cra-.

    A real Midas touch.

  397. Trump says:

    Like Ryan knows how to run 1/6 th of the economy.

    Can’t run a lemonade stand.

  398. Trump says:

    Pass interstate commerce on health insurance, scrap federal regs on insurance and healthcare, and shut the f up.

    That should be the plan.

  399. chicon says:

    Look for a spate of Executive Orders in the next few weeks – and perhaps some foreign policy action – in an effort to change the subject.

  400. chicon says:

    402 – thanks for the tip.

  401. Barrett says:

    Wow, SoccerMoron stopped him self from saying “Crap”. What a champ.

  402. Trump says:

    And up next, the Gorsuch nomination debacle.

  403. Robbie says:

    Brit Hume?
     @brithume 10s
    10 seconds ago

    Exactly right. GOP & Trump own this,but @freedomcaucus & @Heritage_Action & others caused it. They are the pie-in-the-sky caucus.

  404. Robbie says:

    But the Freedom caucus will still win so they don’t care.

    Manu Raju?
     @mkraju 35s
    35 seconds ago

    Hearing concerns from top GOPers about how devastating this may be in 2018 since the base will be depressed/won’t trust them anymore

  405. chicon says:

    408 – total garbage.

  406. NYCmike says:

    Sitting back – Waingro trying to sound reasonable, chicon makes some sense, janz wavering…..typical reactionaries who have no respect for the conservative position keep blaming “deadenders” DESPITE repeated comment from others, AS WELL AS POLLS, which say the bill itself was NOT SUPPORTED by anywhere near a majority.

    As I said yesterday, blame the “deadenders”, blame Ryan, blame a terrible job of communicating what is trying to be done, blame Tom Price, blame Trump.

    To simply lay it all on “deadenders” is reactionary, ignorant, and short-sighted.

  407. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    408. “Hearing concerns from top GOPers about how devastating this may be in 2018 since the base will be depressed/won’t trust them anymore.”

    Your constant “sky is falling rhetoric” is laughable. Why don’t you take April off.

  408. NYCmike says:

    As for Cruz, maybe you should deal with him from the beginning, get his support and go public with it, so that he can’t be “SLICK”, especially when there is no proof that is what happened.

  409. Bitterlaw says:

    Luis A. Mendez? @AuthorLMendez · 8m8 minutes ago

    And those of us limited Govt, free markets type lost any say in this once the GOP embraced Trump

    Can anybody who proudly voted for Hillary Clinton honestly claim to be “limited Govt, free market type?”

  410. NYCmike says:

    “Your constant “sky is falling rhetoric” is laughable. Why don’t you take April off.”

    -Great idea.

    Just like the shutdown.

    The only people who will remember details will be people who hang out on HHR.

    It will still be called Obamacare, if nothing is done.

  411. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    March 24, 2017 at 4:51 pm
    408. “Hearing concerns from top GOPers about how devastating this may be in 2018 since the base will be depressed/won’t trust them anymore.”
    Your constant “sky is falling rhetoric” is laughable. Why don’t you take April off.

    – I notice you haven’t been touting Rasmussen’s polling on Trump lately. Any reason?

  412. Robbie says:

    I love to bash Ted Cruz because he is a self serving jerk who doesn’t care one whit about anything other than his standing with the hardcore base who favors doing nothing as an answer to everything.

  413. Robbie says:

    There’s a reason Ted Cruz couldn’t beat Donald Trump 1 on 1. He’s a phony and everyone saw it.

  414. Bitterlaw says:

    Here is a crazy idea. Go back and figure out a new bill. I know it seems pretty wild but it might just work.

  415. NYCmike says:

    “Here is a crazy idea. Go back and figure out a new bill. I know it seems pretty wild but it might just work.”

    -B O O M !

  416. chicon says:

    418 – that could be the plan, after the pressure of the spotlight is off.

  417. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    March 24, 2017 at 4:58 pm
    Here is a crazy idea. Go back and figure out a new bill. I know it seems pretty wild but it might just work.

    – Given what you just saw, do you see anyway the Freedom caucus can be placated? I don’t. They have a history of agreeing on something only to turn around and vote against it. They aren’t honest brokers.

  418. NYCmike says:

    ” He’s a phony and everyone saw it.”

    -Much better to be a terrible candidate…………

  419. NYCmike says:

    ” They aren’t honest brokers.”

    -Are you serious?

    There were pictures of armed guards not allowing people into the room to see the legislation!

  420. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 24, 2017 at 5:03 pm
    “Here is a crazy idea. Go back and figure out a new bill. I know it seems pretty wild but it might just work.”
    -B O O M !

    – This was it. The Freedom Caucus has saved Obamacare. Republicans aren’t going back to this quagmire. Louie Gohmert for Speaker.

  421. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 24, 2017 at 5:06 pm
    ” They aren’t honest brokers.”
    -Are you serious?
    There were pictures of armed guards not allowing people into the room to see the legislation!

    – Looks like someone fell for Rand Paul’s juvenile stunt.

    The Freedom Caucus never negotiates in good faith. The ask for something and get it. Then they reneg on their agreement and say they need more. Rinse and repeat with those clowns.

  422. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    Where are all of the moderate voices SHOUTING at the top of their lungs so that even a pre-op Scooterboy could hear them saying “WE MUST HAVE THIS BILL!”?

    I have not seen anyone make the case that this will be an improvement, and then list the reasons why.

    WHERE IS THE COMMUNICATION??

  423. NYCmike says:

    “The Freedom Caucus never negotiates in good faith. The ask for something and get it. Then they reneg on their agreement and say they need more. Rinse and repeat with those clowns.”

    -If that is the case, the other side needs new negotiators, and maybe ask James O’Keefe to get something on video, so that, for once, YOU COULD PROVIDE EVIDENCE!

  424. NYCmike says:

    I swear, the more he talks, it is like Author, “CG” and Robbie have became the same person.

    Are you all in your mid-to-late-20’s?

  425. janz says:

    NYC, all those people named perhaps could have done better. However, the bottom line is Obama care remains standing, all it’s inherent dysfunctional problems remain untouched, the R’s are going into tax reform mode diminished,and the freedom Caucus and late-to-game moderates prevailed without any notable gains for the country in the aftermath of their “win.”

    I thought Ryan’s speech was measured and thoughtful. Trump’s comments were that and more, in that he continued to express optimism through his obvious disappointment and was gracious in defeat. Even Gohmert was complimentary of how much he has seen trump “grow” through these nogiations

  426. chicon says:

    Trump goes out of his way to not throw the Freedom Caucus under the bus. Does this mean the President now has more patience and decorum than our very own concern troll? lol.

  427. janz says:

    419. Bitter, why spend more time on a bill that showed so many congressional fissures – also, one that the peanut gallery Dems relished to demonize?

  428. chicon says:

    Mike – Robbie is uncomfortable with anyone who is unafraid to contrast himself/herself harshly with the Democrats. That said, I think the conservatives should have taken 80% of what they wanted and declared victory.

  429. janz says:

    I don’t believe Ryan will lose the speakership over this. Like Trump, though, his reputation is a bit more tarnished by not managing it better to a successful outcome.

  430. Bitterlaw says:

    Janz – Because Obamacare sucks.

  431. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 24, 2017 at 5:14 pm
    Mike – Robbie is uncomfortable with anyone who is unafraid to contrast himself/herself harshly with the Democrats. That said, I think the conservatives should have taken 80% of what they wanted and declared victory.

    – The first part of your comment is ridiculous. I oppose Cruz and his ilk precisely because they refuse to take an 80% victory. His antics are all for show, not to produce results.

  432. janz says:

    Bitter, apparently there is not the intestinal fortitude to coalesce around another plan that is less than “perfect”. As they say, “perfect is the enemy of better.”. That was certainly demonstrated by today’s outcome, where the R’s couldn’t find a unified voice among R factions to take down that sucky health plan, the ACA.

  433. chicon says:

    Now, Robbie, anyone who has read here for more than 10 minutes knows that you begin to wet your aviation jumpsuit when a Republican unabashedly contrasts himself from the Democrats, because someone in the New York Times or Washington Post will talk about how that hurts Republicans. It is your fallback, reflexive position that doom is around the corner for Republicans. Own it.

  434. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    Trump approval/disapproval rating among LV’s in just released Reuters Poll is +9!

    http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/CP3_2/filters/PD1:1,LIKELY:1/dates/20170120-20170324/type/smallest

  435. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    439. Am not particularly impressed with Reuters poll; as Robbie indirectly alluded to in a post above, Trump’s Rasmussen poll numbers have fallen, which I would attribute to the Obamacare issue. Trump is giving the impression of acting rashly, without a well-thought out plan.

    A recent Rasmussen poll is showing a “piece by piece” change to Obamacare is preferred:

    “A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that only 12% of Likely U.S. Voters want to leave Obamacare as it is. Still, just 30% now think Congress and the president should repeal the entire health care law and start over again, down from November’s high of 40% and matching the lowest finding in tracking since July 2014. Fifty-six percent (56%) say Congress and the president instead should go through the law piece by piece and improve it,..”

  436. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Earlier today talked to two Republican friends, who are active in community affairs, and a doctor; all were critical of Trump’s approach on replacing Obamacare. One referred to him as a “clown.”

    The issue was not about obtaining enough votes to pass the measure, it was attempting to rush through a plan that had not had much public review, and which few people knew much about. You don’t do that on something as important as medical care. Napoleon may have said it best: “It was worse than defeat, it was a blunder.”

  437. chicon says:

    Current measures of the President’s job approval aren’t too relevant, given that he’s at least 3.5 years from a re-election campaign. If he and the Congress enact their agenda – especially economic reforms – they’ll have little to worry about. Unless we’re all wrong about conservatism…

  438. NYCmike says:

    chicon and SanDiegoCitizen have saved the day from Robbie’s rain downpour.

  439. NYCmike says:

    “The issue was not about obtaining enough votes to pass the measure, it was attempting to rush through a plan that had not had much public review, and which few people knew much about.”

    -Boom. No communication.

    Should have asked Scott Walker for some advice.

  440. chicon says:

    Mike – he really is a positive fella, eh?

  441. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Am hoping that, now that Trump has attempted to fulfill his campaign promise to repeal Obamacare, and was prevented by the right-wing fringe, he can now get to work on a detailed revision of Obamacare, which seems to have popular support. Perhaps he felt it was necessary to first go through the unsuccessful repeal effort, before moving forward with serious reform.

  442. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Current measures of the President’s job approval aren’t too relevant, given that he’s at least 3.5 years from a re-election campaign.”

    Agree, and Trump may turn this around. He tried repeal — and got blocked by his own party, and now can move on to reform.

  443. chicon says:

    446 – if he could do that – and remove the health care debate from the daily news – he’d almost certainly be re-elected. Of course, that’s why the Dems will be reluctant to go along with him.

  444. chicon says:

    447 – and tax cuts, both personal and corporate. A roaring economy with lots of jobs available will make today’s events irrelevant. Then there’s Gorsuch and perhaps one or two other Justices. Plenty of things ahead….

  445. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    449. Agree, it likely was a good strategy to get the repeal Obamacare issue behind him early on.

    As the true costs of Obamacare begin to hit people, they are going to begin to clamor for reform.

  446. Tina says:

    Yeah, ryan coukd hae ddone a lot better and the bilk needs improvement.

  447. Robbie says:

    Thomas Kaplan?
    @thomaskaplan

    Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX): “The Freedom Caucus wins. They get Obamacare forever.”

  448. Trump says:

    Mark Meadows saved the GOP by preventing it from ramming through a bill with 17 percent public support.

  449. chicon says:

    453 – ruined your day, eh?

  450. Trump says:

    Enable interstate commerce of health insurance, scrap all federal regs re healthcare, and step away.

    Nobody is fit to run 1/6 th of the economy. Neither Obama, neither trump, and certainly not Ryan.

    But no, can’t do that. Not enough opportunity for graft and cronyism.

  451. pitchaboy says:

    No matter how you slice it, a huge defeat for DJT. The man who boasts of making big deals possible, he couldn’t even put one together in his own party, let alone bringing both parties together. And the kicker is when Obamacare is ruined, the Rs get the blame for not fixing things when they controlled everything in DC, at least in theory.

  452. janz says:

    SDcitizen,

    I viewed the AHCA as merely a stepping stone to better healthcare, rather than a completed product that would be “fully” implemented.

    The main goal, IMO, was to repeal the ADA with some kind of health care provision in place that would then undergo more scrutiny and revision in the Senate. This would then be thrown back to the House for yet more debate and changes. Eventually, the plan would probably end up in a noticeably remodeled form, representing revisions and compromises from both the Senate and House.

    However, without today’s AHCA starter seed being initiated, the repeal/replace air has gushed out and any enthusiasm to legislatively confront Obamacare has ebbed, if not left altogether. And, I don’t think the Trump administration is being coy or disingenuous about moving on to other less controversial agenda items. Consequently,I think today will be remembered as a “lost opportunity” moment, shafting indefinitely any efforts to lessen the burden of the current under-performing Obamacare.

  453. Tina says:

    Has fake flapper of cnn weighed in on the debacle?

  454. pitchaboy says:

    DJT’s weak points are what he bragged about repeatedly: communication and selling.

  455. Tina says:

    18 months ryano wasted.

  456. janz says:

    correction…repeal the ACA, not ADA

    Pitch, I agree with your analysis of today’s HC circus.

  457. janz says:

    Pitch, DJT charm and expertise has been exercised on pragmatic business types, not ideological politicians. They are a completely different breed of human beings.

  458. chicon says:

    Just think, today could have been all about the confirmation hearings for Hillary’s nomination to fill the seat of the great Antonin Scalia. This is better.

  459. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Until there is a replacement for Obamacare, which people sufficient understand and are willing to support, do not believe there will be a repeal of Obamacare. No one wants to leave the lifeboat, unless they are stepping into another lifeboat.

  460. Trump says:

    Let them run on fixing Obamacare and see how many get elected.

  461. janz says:

    I think there will be reams and reams of dissecting analysis and forensics on how and why the AHCA went asunder. In fact, fingers are going to become spastic in pointing every which way at who or what cratered this act meant to repeal and disassemble the healthcare apparatus constructed in the wake of Obamacare mandates and regulations.

    However, one simple explanation expressed today is that people have come to see health care as more of a “right,” over the last 7 years — something they are currently hesitant to see either altered or deleted and returned to a free market system. Supposedly, most of the calls made, to congress people voting on this bill, were to defeat it rather than support it — reminding me of the reverse telephone barrage that went on when the ACA was being passed by the dems. Opposition always seems to ratchet up more squeaky wheel opposition than the purring support of those wanted a legislation to roll on and pass. Anyway, responding to the concerns of their constituency was one of the most frequent explanations I heard as to why so many voted against this bill.

  462. Trump says:

    Exactly. Who wants to put their names as pushing a bill with 17 % public support?

  463. Tina says:

    The do nothing may winnin the end

  464. chicon says:

    Whatever Tina just said could be right….

  465. Cash Cow TM says:

    “pitchaboy says:
    March 24, 2017 at 8:20 pm
    No matter how you slice it, a huge defeat for DJT. The man who boasts of making big deals possible, he couldn’t even put one together in his own party, let alone bringing both parties together. And the kicker is when Obamacare is ruined, the Rs get the blame for not fixing things when they controlled everything in DC, at least in theory.”

    *****************************************
    Nail on head.

    Yet…

    …the Rs were making the same mistake that Obama and the Ds made when they birthed the ObamaCare monstrosity.

    rush it through…read what’s in it after it is passed…don’t let the other side of the aisle have any input…pass it with no votes on the other side of the aisle…make a big slice of American voters mad as hops…
    _______________________
    So if no changes to ObamaCare, then it will surely collapse…then a hue and cry for the government to “DO SOMETHING”…

    As Walt often sid to his students:

    “government and history are like a giant, true continuing, never ending soap opera–except it is all REAL, no actors and script…and with huge consequences that will befall upon everyone…”

  466. Cash Cow TM says:

    #464

    Sandy Eggo….I agree.

    Spot on.

  467. Walt says:

    I post one simple picture on Facebook of two dead voles I caught in a pair of mousetraps (no blood or guts)…and all hell breaks loose.

    Lots of comments and reactions of people who were disgusted with the picture I posted…

    You would have thought I had posted a picture of me barbecuing a bunch of puppies after I dispatched them is some brutal and gruesome way.

    All of the people who are grossed out are female.
    But some females are giving me the thumbs up.

    One woman even related how she stomped a vole to death that had eaten the roots and killed her prized rose bush. (to me, THAT was a little gross and TMI for me).

    Many other posters asking me what I used for bait so they can catch the voles ruining their properties.

  468. Bitterlaw says:

    Welcome back, Pitch.

  469. chicon says:

    473 – oh, never mind, that was spelled with a “P”.

  470. Cash Cow TM says:

    Check out the legislator’s name.

    “Blaming Racism and Sexism, Hawaii Lawmaker Leaves Republican Party
    BY TRIBUNE NEWS SERVICE | MARCH 24, 2017”

    “State Rep. Beth Fukumoto, who was ousted as House minority leader by Republican colleagues last month over her criticism of President Donald Trump, announced Wednesday that she is leaving the Republican Party, citing its failure to condemn elements of racism and sexism within its base. She will seek membership in the Democratic Party.”
    ************************************************
    Can you BELIEVE her NAME!

    BETH!

  471. Cash Cow TM says:

    I didn’t think any Hawaiian native was named BETH!

    Liliokulani I would not have been surprised about..

  472. Cash Cow TM says:

    Oh my.

    I just took a second look at her last name.

    F-U-K-U…

  473. Cash Cow TM says:

    Fukumoto was one of only 5 Rs in elected positions in HA–all in the House.

    MSM Headline about the HA state legislator who bolted the R party should be:

    “20% Of All Elected Republicans in HA State government Announce They Are Leaving the Republican Party

    [snort]

  474. chicon says:

    I thought it was F-u-k-a-l-o-t-a.

  475. Cash Cow TM says:

    KY has become the 44 state to allow charter schools.
    ******************************************
    QUICK!

    Name the 6 that do NOT allow charter schools.

    GO!
    1_____
    2_____
    3_____
    4_____
    5_____
    6_____

  476. Cash Cow TM says:

    #479

    SNORT!!!

  477. Cash Cow TM says:

    TOO LATE!

    Answer to NO charter schools:

    Montana
    Nebraska
    North Dakota
    South Dakota
    People’s Republic of Vermont
    West Virginia

    All Red states but one.

    EVERY.Single.Blue.State.Allows.Charter.Schools.

    Yet the teachers unions in those states are 100% behind their elected officials who approve charters there.

  478. chicon says:

    How is this possible, Cow?

  479. chicon says:

    Yep, they even have charter schools here in the Peoples Republic of Illinois. There was a threat of a strike at a charter school in Chicago recently, but I think it was solved before a strike (probably by kicking the financial can further down the road).

  480. janz says:

    There is nothing more constant than change:

    In 24 states, 50% or more of babies born on Medicaid; New Mexico leads the nation with 72%. = a shift to more government-run health care.

    Renters now rule half of U.S. cities. “The American dream increasingly involves a lease, not a mortgage.” = government enforced rent control.

  481. NYCmike says:

    Disagree about this being a BIGLY defeat for Trump – many of really never watched the guy at all for the last 40 years.

    It will not bother him in the least. Thickest skin of any politician other than Reagan. Nothing bothers him. He may respond a lot, but that is typical NYC. You try to survive here by being passive.

  482. chicon says:

    486 – Absolutely agree that today’s events won’t slow up Trump in the slightest. He actually received several positive comments from House members about his level of involvement, which may help him work well with Congress in the future.

  483. PresidentPaul! says:

    I have long said the GOP should have done tax cuts first, which is pretty obvious now.

    Second observation is why did Trump throw in with Ryan on that crap bill in the first place that everyone knew was doomed for the dust bin? All he did was provide him with political cover. Had he just gone along with well freedom caucus…uhhh well those people are labile.. I’d say gone along with Rand Paul he would have been fine in this thing.

    Paul Ryan is basically political poison.

  484. PresidentPaul! says:

    “We’re going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future,” Ryan admitted Friday. “I don’t know what else to say other than Obamacare is the law of the land.”

    He could have at least scheduled a full repeal vote so the RINOs would be on record that way the voters could rid of Paul Ryan etc as they’d be on record.

    Worst GOP speaker ever

  485. Tim says:

    Yep, true.

  486. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCfLBiT9G3s

    Liberal media’s take on Trump being all over the place on the Obamacare repeal ending in trying to be the gorilla in the room to bully the house freedom caucus.

  487. PresidentPaul! says:

    Also Trump’s seeming clueless policy understanding led to Trump supporting a terrible bill, giving his political capital to Paul Ryan who flushed that away, and trying to bully republicans @ house freedom caucus into supporting it.

    Trump ‘Didn’t Have Sufficient Command Of Policy Details To Negotiate’…

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/obamacare-vote-paul-ryan-health-care-ahca-replacement-failure-trump-214947

    “The group of roughly 30 House conservatives, gathered around a mammoth, oval-shaped conference table in the Cabinet Room of the White House, exchanged disapproving looks. Trump wanted to emphasize the political ramifications of the bill’s defeat; specifically, he said, it would derail his first-term agenda and imperil his prospects for reelection in 2020. The lawmakers nodded and said they understood. And yet they were disturbed by his dismissiveness. For many of the members, the “little sh/it” meant the policy details that could make or break their support for the bill—and have far-reaching implications for their constituents and the country.

    “We’re talking about one-fifth of our economy,” a member told me afterward.”

  488. Tina says:

    It is a defeat for trump, but a bugger defeat for ryan. We need to regroup quickly,

    Tax cuts should have been first.

    Then repeal

    Then replace.

    However, we are under no obligation to fix obamacare. It is self destructing.

  489. Tina says:

    I did not look closely at the ins and outs of the bill, and the posturing. If details of the bill were hidden and the attitude was to vote yes to get the details later, a la piglosi, it is good that this bill never saw light.

    I base these comments on the drudge headline from yesterday.

    Again, tax cuts and repeal then move to replacement, but it must include interstate purchasing. The whole phase 1, phase. 2. And phase 3 by trump is too confusing.
    .

  490. Tina says:

    In defeat, trump gave better remarks than ryan. Ryan just came across looking like a loser, very ineffective.

  491. PresidentPaul! says:

    Trump is becoming the Steve Ballmer president. The more you watch him you wonder how he got so rich but somehow he managed it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEhyGMqwYJY

  492. PresidentPaul! says:

    Steve Ballmer dancing machine at Clippers games! (he’s the owner)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWpuVaRtvns

    Screaming Steve Ballmer Is Excited to Own Clippers!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mriKM_39cfE

  493. chicon says:

    498 – Ryan and turkey neck both get under my nerves, too, at times. But we saw yesterday that, in the House at least, there is no united Republican body to lead. No Speaker can make a conservative into a moderate or a moderate into a conservative.

    And my respect level for turkey neck increased several levels with the stones he showed in the Scalia/Garland situation. Exactly how that swine undertaker Reid would have done it.

  494. PresidentPaul! says:

    Ryan could have produced a good bill #1 that decreased premiums and cut the deficit.

    #2 he could have forced them to vote on the bill so that they would have to go back on 8 years of promises and demands to “repeal Obamacare.” Instead he turned it into a vote where the conservative plan was to stop the bill.

  495. PresidentPaul! says:

    Ryan produced a bill written by insurance interests and protected his colleagues. This is the swamp.

    Trump proved his incompetence going along and encouraging all this and then acting as a bully towards the freedom caucus.

  496. Robbie says:

    The Wall Street Journal rightly labels the House Freedom Caucus as the Obamacare Republicans. Just as importantly, they note yesterday was almost certainly the end of the effort to repeal Obamacare. This Congress likely won’t touch it in 2018, an election year, and no future Congress will either.

    Congratulations Mark Meadows, Louie Gohmert, and Jim Jordan. You saved Obamacare. It will be fun listening to each of you complain on Hannity, though. In the end, that’s all the Freedom caucus wanted, a chance to complain forever.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-obamacare-republicans-1490396943

  497. Robbie says:

    Everyone here needs to realize an important point. There will not be another effort to repeal and replace Obamacare. Not in this Congress and not in a future Congress. Republicans definitely aren’t going to touch healthcare in 2018, and election year. Yesterday was it. End of story.

    In the future, the only legislation that deals with Obamacare will be to fix certain aspects of it like the medical device tax. The House Freedom Caucus, created to facilitate the repeal of Obamacare, ensured its survival by opposing a bill that was never going to be the final word.

  498. chicon says:

    Oh, the concern!!!!

  499. Robbie says:

    Welp, now we know why Judge Napolitano was willing to go on TV and make wild claims. He was trying to impress Trump because he claims Trump has promised him the next Supreme Court vacancy.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/andrew-napolitano-supreme-court-shortlist-trump-236488

  500. chicon says:

    Seems Robbie’s whining friends might be mis-informing us again. Apparently, the HFC did make some significant concessions, just not enough to satisfy those evil moderates…

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446098/republicans-health-care-bill-debacle-start-over

  501. chicon says:

    506 – the concern troll strikes again. The article to which you link says Napolitano told friends Trump promised to consider him for the next opening. Yet Robbie breathlessly reports that Trump has promised him the seat. Robbie learns his little tricks from his friends in the MSM.

  502. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 25, 2017 at 10:30 am
    Oh, the concern!!!!

    – It seems the new definition of “concern” is anything with which you disagree or you don’t want to hear. That doesn’t change the fact the effort to repeal Obamacare is over in this Congress. Republicans are not going to touch it in 2018, an election year.

    And even if Republicans came up with a much better plan, the Freedom Caucus would throw up the same roadblocks. Why? They want the issue. Republicans aren’t going to risk another fiasco on this.

    And why would Republicans risk another fiasco on healthcare in 2018? They’ve still got looming fiascos on funding the government by April 28, the debt ceiling, the budget, and tax reform this year. You can bet the Freedom caucus is going to throw monkey wrenches into each issue.

  503. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 25, 2017 at 10:38 am
    506 – the concern troll strikes again. The article to which you link says Napolitano told friends Trump promised to consider him for the next opening. Yet Robbie breathlessly reports that Trump has promised him the seat. Robbie learns his little tricks from his friends in the MSM.

    – You don’t read very well, do you. I did not say Trump promised Napolitano the next Supreme Court seat.

    I wrote this – “because he claims Trump has promised him the next Supreme Court vacancy.” The “he” is Napolitano.

    Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.

  504. chicon says:

    509 – there you go again, vastly exaggerating the “roadblocks” thrown down by the HFC. Look, we get that you hate the conservatives, but misrepresenting the facts while arguing your points just injures your credibility. Which is what you’re always crying Trump does. Eh?

  505. chicon says:

    510 – there you go again. You said the Judge told friends he had been promised the seat. The article said the Judge told friends Trump told him he’d be CONSIDERED for the seat. Why did you misrepresent the story to which you linked? Spinning perhaps? Lying?

    You’re exposed….

  506. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 25, 2017 at 10:44 am
    509 – there you go again, vastly exaggerating the “roadblocks” thrown down by the HFC. Look, we get that you hate the conservatives, but misrepresenting the facts while arguing your points just injures your credibility. Which is what you’re always crying Trump does. Eh?

    – This is such garbage. I oppose conservatives? Wrong, I support conservatives who have a realistic approach. I oppose deadenders who take an all or nothing approach.

    I certainly support Paul Ryan, or are you going to argue he’s not a conservative? If so, it’s you who needs to reassess your definition of conservative.

  507. chicon says:

    Robbie tries to play the “analytical”, reasonable role here on HHR. He tells us that Trump is too emotional and prone to exaggeration and lying – he’s too much of a salesman. Then Robbie himself comes here on HHR and leaves out articles that don’t match his own story, and blatantly misrepresents article he cites himself. In other words, he acts in the same fashion for which he excoriates Trump. Sounds like projection, eh?

  508. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 25, 2017 at 10:47 am
    510 – there you go again. You said the Judge told friends he had been promised the seat. The article said the Judge told friends Trump told him he’d be CONSIDERED for the seat. Why did you misrepresent the story to which you linked? Spinning perhaps? Lying?
    You’re exposed….

    – More hot garbage from chicon. I really wonder if he bothered to read the whole thing. Here’s a direct quote from the story:

    “Since the Gorsuch nomination, Napolitano has continued to maintain that he is in the running for a seat, telling a colleague that Trump promised him the next Supreme Court seat “if I get another one.”

    So just to recap, Napolitano told a colleague “Trump promised him the next Supreme Court seat.

    YOU’RE EXPOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  509. chicon says:

    513 – God, you are dense…. You are just dying to blame the HFC for yesterday (just as you always do), so much so that you seek out ANY opinion that describes them as inflexible. I linked to a story that reports that the HFC did indeed make concessions. But that doesn’t fit your meme, so it is garbage. Maybe the story is that all sides bent, but were unable to agree when each had gone as far as they could? Nope, that can’t be it – there has to be a boogeyman, and it must be those “evil” dead enders.

  510. chicon says:

    The sub-headline from Robbie’s article in the Politico (where else?)- “The suspended Fox News personality has claimed the president told him he’d be considered for the next seat that comes open.”

  511. Tina says:

    They could have easily passed repeal in the house, if they chise to,do so.

    The probkems are in the senate with the maine chicklet, goober, mcamnesty and fraud flake.

  512. Tina says:

    Politico, more FAKE NEWS.

    Courtesy of Rottie.

  513. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 25, 2017 at 11:06 am
    The sub-headline from Robbie’s article in the Politico (where else?)- “The suspended Fox News personality has claimed the president told him he’d be considered for the next seat that comes open.”

    – That’s all you got? Reverting to attacking the source to cover up your mistake? Weak. You should have read past the sub-headline and you wouldn’t have made such a bad mistake.

  514. Tina says:

    Gomert slams ryan.

    Love it, keep up the pressure.

    Mext time, do a better job.

  515. Tina says:

    Next time include a bill that allows for interstate purchasing and prevents illegals from getting benefits.

  516. chicon says:

    I think I cited the headline, Oh Wise One….

    The headline and several points in the article talk about being considered and getting on the list. I already quoted the headline. Here’s another quote….

    “He said, ‘Trump said I’m on the list,’” said a source who spoke with Napolitano shortly after one of his meetings with the then president-elect. “He’s been saying that since the transition.”

    Here’s another – “After meeting with President Trump twice during the transition, first in December and again in mid-January, the Newark, N.J.-born television personality told several people that Trump said he was on the list of judges from whom he was selecting a nominee for the high court.”

    Here’s the one you must be focused on… “Since the Gorsuch nomination, Napolitano has continued to maintain that he is in the running for a seat, telling a colleague that Trump promised him the next Supreme Court seat “if I get another one.””

    Even in this one it says “in the running”.

    Why didn’t you just report that the Judge is telling people he’s on the list for the next opening? That is clearly the gist of the article, and it makes the judge look like a goof (anyone who thinks Trump’s gonna put a 66 year old retired state court judge on the Supreme Court is a goof). But you found a nugget that you think makes your case (whatever that is) better. That’s exactly what Trump would do – you guys are a lot alike.

  517. chicon says:

    Hey, Robbie, any thoughts on the NRO article I linked to above?

  518. chicon says:

    Here’s a quote from the NRO article –

    The fact is that Republicans reached a fair degree of consensus during this process. Take the House Freedom Caucus. It is being excoriated in some quarters for its inflexibility, but in fact most of its members made their peace, whatever their misgivings, with the idea of providing tax credits to help people who otherwise could not buy health insurance. They insisted only that those tax credits be coupled with deregulation to lower premiums.

    Robbie, tell us more about their inflexibility.

    ps – I am not blaming the moderates for inflexibility, just addressing the meme that the HFC was inflexible (defined by Robbie as “whatever is necessary”).

  519. lisab says:

    In 24 States, 50% or More of Babies Born on Medicaid; New Mexico Leads Nation With 72%

  520. lisab says:

    the ryancare bill was a bad deal, the republicans were smart to not vote for it

    had even one thing changed, they would have owned obamacare

    now the dems still own it

  521. Bitterlaw says:

    The bill sucked. Pass a better bill. Problem solved.

  522. Robbie says:

    chicon

    For every story you can find praising the Freedom Caucus for scuttling the repeal of Obamacare, I can find another that scolds them for their short sighted tactics. They turned down reductions of taxes, expanded health savings accounts, and a chance at much larger tax code reform simply because they’re whiny little babies who live in alternate universe.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-freedom-caucus-kills-the-health-care-bill/article/2007375#.WNajvrU67HM.twitter

    The Freedom Caucus is not some collection of “real conservatives” as you claim. They are political hostage takers and political suicide bombers who wake up each and every day looking to thwart broad based conservative policy and please their masters on talk radio and in the hard right interest groups.

    Ronald Reagan was willing to take an 80% victory. The Freedom Caucus isn’t always willing to take a 100% victory. Trump should support primary challenges to every member of the Freedom Caucus.

  523. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    March 25, 2017 at 1:20 pm
    The bill sucked. Pass a better bill. Problem solved.

    – The bill was not the last word. It was merely a starting point. The Senate was then going to pass its own bill. After that, it would have gone to conference.

    There will not be another attempt at healthcare in this Congress and probably not in future Congresses. They aren’t stupid enough to mess with this in an election year. Obamacare’s architecture was preserved forever yesterday and by very conservative Republicans.

  524. lisab says:

    the bill was obamacare-lite

  525. chicon says:

    Robbie The Broken Record….. “The Freedom Caucus isn’t always willing to take a 100% victory.” Another Trumpism by you. The HFC did indeed make concessions yesterday – they were willing to take less than 100%. Yet you continue to spout off the lie that they never compromise. Why the lies? Can’t you just say they should have compromised more?

    Another thing….there happen to be quite a few districts populated by people who support members of the HFC (and other conservatives). Could it be possible that those members voted in a manner consistent with their electorate? No way!!

  526. chicon says:

    530 – Robbie, forgive me for not trusting your political proclamations. You were certain Trump could not win the primaries or the election; and now you’re certain health care won’t come up again. Gives me confidence that it will…

  527. chicon says:

    Bitter – here’s a scouting report on the guy The Birds signed away from my Bears, Alshon Jeffries. Alshon is a big, talented receiver who can really go up and get the ball. He is good enough at it that he even made your boy Cutler look good at times. The downside is that he’s soft – he’ll be in the ice bath nursing a soft tissue injury during training camp. He was constantly iffy because of hamstrings, calf injuries, etc. And it seemed to take him forever to recover from them. Maybe he just didn’t want to play with Cutler. Anyway, if he plays, you’ll like him.

  528. chicon says:

    Bitter – forgive the typo on Alshon’s name….

  529. Tina says:

    Bitter, so true. It could have and should have been a lot better.

    The phase 2 and 3 would never come.

    Trump over complicated it and ryan was ineffective.

  530. Robbie says:

    chicon

    Forgive me for not paying attention to you since you didn’t even read a story I posted and claimed I misrepresented what was in it.

  531. Tina says:

    Alshon was the best wr free agent out there.

  532. Robbie says:

    Tina troll claims there would be no phase two, but that proves she had no idea what was in the bill. Had the bill passed, it directed the Secretary of HHS to do certain things. He would have done those certain things thanks to the statutory backing the bill would have provided. All he needed to was write the order and that would have been that.

    The HFC never wanted a bill that could pass the House.

  533. Robbie says:

    I’m watching the WSJ Editorial Report on FoxNews. They are of the opinion that tax reform can no longer be accomplished. They suggest the best that can be done is tax cut plan, but no more.

  534. Tina says:

    Wrong kos kiddo

    Phase 2 requires both reg changes and legislative changes

    Phase 3 involves going back to Congress with bills that let insurance companies sell policies across state lines or allow the government to use its purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices.

  535. Tina says:

    It is no surprise that the biggest supporte r of the bill here has no clue what is or is not in it.

  536. Tina says:

    And step 2 if all regulatory woulf have had endless court challenges.

  537. chicon says:

    We’re finished! Finished, I tell you (over,and over, and over, and over)!

  538. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It appears Trump is now ready to discuss reform of Obamacare with the Democrats:

    “Still, Trump admitted he was “disappointed” by the turn of events. “I’m a little surprised, to be honest with you — it was pretty much there within grasp,” he said. “But I think what’s going to come out of it is a better bill … having bipartisan would be a big, big improvement.”

    “I never said repeal and replace Obamacare… within 64 days,” he added. “…I want to have a great healthcare bill and plan and we will.””

    Schumer indicated the Democrats are willing to work with Trump to fix Obamacare, as long as repeal is off the table.

    This is the type of bipartisan deal-making that Trump should be engaged in. Not trying to please some extremist right-wing wackos.

  539. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Obamacare is in a tailspin. Rising costs will bankrupt it. The Democrats know this. They still own it, since Trump’s attempt to defeat it was blocked by the loony right. They have as much of a need to reform it as Trump.

  540. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    541. “allow the government to use its purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices.”

    The pharmaceutical companies have effectively blocked this, and were particularly powerful in doing so during the Bush administration.

    Living along the border, I can go into Mexico and buy medical drugs at the fraction of what they sell for in the U.S. Streets in Mexican border towns are lined with pharmacies that sell to Americans.

  541. chicon says:

    From the article linked to below….

    “After all, it wasn’t just conservatives who sank the AHCA. The Freedom Caucus remains a stubborn problem for GOP leadership, but blaming—or crediting—its members for Friday’s defeat ignores the fact that some two dozen moderate and centrist members were also opposed. “There’s no natural constituency for this bill,” Raul Labrador, a Freedom Caucus co-founder, said throughout the week. He was right. Members care about policy and process, and between the two, there was no clear upside for many of Ryan’s members: It left too many people without coverage and failed to drive down premiums; it also was re-written hastily to accommodate changes and felt rushed for no good reason. Ultimately, every concession made to win conservatives, like the amendment that left regulating essential health benefits up to states, was destined to result in the loss of moderates.”

    Lots of moderates were no votes, as were lots of HFC members. Yet to some here (cough, cough) the bill failed because of the HFC. As Bitter said above, it seems the bill sucked.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/obamacare-vote-paul-ryan-health-care-ahca-replacement-failure-trump-214947

  542. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    “Lost Tourist Says Monkeys Saved Him in Amazon…”

    I think it is a trick.
    NEVER EVER TRUST THE MONKEYS!

  543. Tina says:

    Drug prices are ridiculous, sdc. I got some from canada.

  544. Tina says:

    So, the bikk faiked due to the rinos?

  545. lisab says:

    2 teen girls shot as Birmingham water balloon fight turns into gun fight at Senior Skip Day

  546. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    When in Idaho, always have to be cautious of those attack squirrels.

    https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/03/24/gun-defending-squirrel-attacks-drives-off-burglar-idaho/

  547. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Since the attack squirrel was protecting guns, am sure Nancy Pelosi will insist they be banned from San Francisco. Besides squirrels eat nuts, which would threaten her political base of support.

  548. janz says:

    There are lots of critical opinion pieces, negative prognostics and generally ill feelings towards the GOP following yesterday’s healthcare debacle. I wonder if the Freedom Caucus really took this into serious consideration (after Trump warned them of the far reaching consequences of their vote), when contemplating the entirety of the conservative agenda awaiting them?

  549. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “As Bitter said above, it seems the bill sucked.”

    Yes, and think that Trump knew this from the beginning, which may be why he gave it a short time line, and then sweep it off the table.

    Trump can now get down to some serious negotiations. Which is a long arduous process. Its not going into a room smiling and shaking hands,and signing something out of the blue, as some of the liberal media are making it out to be by claiming Trump’s deal making skills failed. The process is just beginning.

  550. chicon says:

    556 – it could be that yesterday’s events were a part of the negotiation; an effort to get the sides together. But it could also be true that they dodged a bullet by not agreeing to a poor solution. From the Politico piece above (written by a former NRO writer), it seems Trump did not know enough detail to be able to effectively negotiate. It also seems that the leadership did a poor job in bringing it along. At the end of the day, both moderates and conservatives thought it was bad enough that they chose today’s embarrassment over passage.

    That said, if they can negotiate a palatable deal behind the scenes, there’s no way imo that they’ll pass on the opportunity to move it.

  551. chicon says:

    555 – and I wonder if the equal number of moderate members who were going to vote no took the same issues into consideration?

  552. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It might have been the issue repealing Obamacare needed to be resolved prior to negotiating to revise it. Also, it appeared clear for some time there would not be enough votes to pass the former bill. For Trump to insist on a vote, and then end any further discussion of the bill, seemed to indicate he wanted the former bill off the table.

    Quite frankly, from a strategic point of view, seems like a smart move. If Trump is able to get a bipartisan compromise, people may look back and admire his strategy. This is not a guy who walks away from a fight.

  553. messy says:

    539. Neither did anyone else. That was the problem.

  554. Tina says:

    Well, we go back to obama wiretapping.

    Breaking news on fox.

  555. Robbie says:

    As this direct quote from the story indicates, Schumer is taking the gamble I suggested he might a few days ago. He’s in a tough spot so he might as well force the issue. If he gets supremely lucky, not enough Republicans kill the filibuster. Otherwise, he loses a game he knew he was always likely to lose.

    “Schumer is betting McConnell does not have the votes to do away with the 60-vote requirement for Supreme Court nominees.”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/chuck-schumer-neil-gorsuch-filibuster-scotus-nomination-236441

  556. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    March 25, 2017 at 3:16 pm
    Wrong kos kiddo
    Phase 2 requires both reg changes and legislative changes
    Phase 3 involves going back to Congress with bills that let insurance companies sell policies across state lines or allow the government to use its purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices.

    – Tina troll is wrong, as always, but we’ve gotten used to that.

    Here is a direct quote from Ryan’s own website.

    “Phase two: all the regulatory flexibility that the Secretary of HHS has to deregulate the marketplace to lower the cost and stabilize the market”

  557. Tina says:

    Don’t worry, getting rid of state lines, which will promote competition, will be in phase 2 & 3 of healthcare rollout. @foxandfriends

    Trump tweet

    Of course kos kiddo aka paper plane crasher knows diddly.

  558. Tina says:

    Even jebot trolls did not know what is in the plan.

    I said having three phases complicates this.

    The reg changes he can do now.

  559. Tina says:

    And it complicates it because here is the view from two r senators

    As Cotton noted, the “Phase Three” bill is far-fetched since it would need significant Democratic backing to pass with the needed 60 votes in the Senate. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) also called the idea of passing a second bill with Trump’s wish list a “fantasy” in a “TODAY” interview on Wednesday. “Anything placed in so-called bucket three will never pass,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) told reporters, according to The Hill.

    Nobody knew what was in e ohase 1. Phase 2 woukd be tied up in the courts and in some cases would require congrssional passage, and phase 3 would be last but maybe mist critical?

    Look at goobers and cruz responses

  560. Phil says:

    Schumer says today in Politico he has the votes to successfully filibuster Gorsuch and keep him off the Court. Says McConnell won’t be able to do anything about it because McConnell doesn’t have the Republican votes to go nuclear.

    He generously offers to give consideration to an alternate nominee if it is someone he (Schumer) considers “to be in the mainstream”

    I think we all have a good idea of what Schumer’s “mainstream” looks like.

    What an arrogant dick.

  561. Cash Cow TM says:

    Off topic, but…

    Bitter,

    How come Philadelphia is the only city in the nation that has cream cheese named after it?

  562. Trump says:

    Republicans should be on their knees thanking the HFC.

    No party survives ramming through a bill with 17 % popular support.

    This bill was a replacement, Obamacare 1,to Obamacare 2.

    Every body saw it for what it was, another insurance industry bailout.

    Just do phase 2. They won’t, because that reduces the opportunity for graft.

    Interstate commerce, and scrap federal regs. They won’t do it because it reduces their role in fuc$ing up 1/6 of the economy.

  563. Trump says:

    17% popular support. Think about that. Worse than Obamacare ever polled.

    Ryancare made Obamacare look good.

  564. Trump says:

    And keep Ryan away from congress. The guy is a reverse Midas.

    He is eminently unfit to be speaker. Who the f brings a bill to the floor without having the votes in pocket?

  565. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    And as if attack squirrels were not enough, Idaho has another issue:

    “MOSCOW, Idaho (AP) — A northern Idaho woman told police she crashed into a deer because she was distracted by a sasquatch in her rearview mirror.”

  566. Trump says:

    Commies. Why is anything in the us of a named Moscow?

  567. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    571. Believe it was Trump who demanded the vote.

  568. Trump says:

    My point exactly.

    Speaker of the house is not a waterboy for the president.

  569. Trump says:

    I agree with the president’s ultimatum, by the way.

    Enough talking. Either get it done, or move on.

  570. Trump says:

    They had one job. Repeal.

    ryan, or anybody else, has no qualification to run 1/6 of the economy.

    Replacing one set of mandates with another set of mandates is no change. The public saw through the charade.

  571. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Why is anything in the us of a named Moscow?”
    ***********************************************
    Mos-cow

    Last part of the word is OK with me.

    OH, BTW…VP Pence was in WV today.
    I did not go.

    Had to help Walt do yard work.

  572. Trump says:

    Ryan is not a leader, he is a policy wonk.

    He has never done an ounce of non-legislation work in his life.

  573. Cash Cow TM says:

    Plus it was 5 hours away…

  574. Cash Cow TM says:

    voles

    loves

  575. Trump says:

    Cc, I transited through wv today.

    If you saw A white suv with Ohio plates, shouting Morons at the other drivers, that was me.

  576. Cash Cow TM says:

    You guys are up to your elbows in rehashing this non-vote on ACA.

    Cow TOLD you it would be a rocky four years…
    You all need to get another thing to occupy your time.

    Maybe go trap voles in your yards.
    That is what Walt has been doing as a new hobby.

    Beats getting an ulcer over the ACA repeal.

  577. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Trump says:
    March 25, 2017 at 9:06 pm
    Cc, I transited through wv today.

    If you saw A white suv with Ohio plates, shouting Morons at the other drivers, that was me.”

    HOLY COW!

    That was YOU?
    Were you the one who made cat calls when you drove by Walt’s house when Mrs. Walt was bent over in the yard doing yard work?

  578. Trump says:

    Maybe

  579. Cash Cow TM says:

    Hey Trump,

    Since you are passing through the area, clould you do Walt a favor?

    Stop by Dulles and pick up his cousin Jack. Jack is very hard of hearing so to get his attention keep hollering at the top of your lungs:

    “HI JACK!” HI JACK!”

  580. Trump says:

    The GOP should seriously think about bringing Gingrich back as speaker.

    Only GOP speaker in the last 50 years worth anything.

  581. Trump says:

    Will do. Send me the itinerary. I need 72 virgins.

  582. janz says:

    Cash cow and Trump —> a seriously humorous back and forth between you two!

  583. Wes says:

    Newt Gingrich was such an inept Speaker he became the only House opposition leader since the Federalists completely imploded in 1822 to lose seats in the second midterm of a President of the other party.

    He resigned from Congress in 1999 because his ineptitude in 1998 combined with his routine adulterous liaisons undermined his support in the conference.

    I would hardly consider him a great leader post 1995.

  584. Wes says:

    Because Gingrich let his celebrity go to his head, Clinton was actually at his most powerful point in 1999 since taking office.

    Oh, yes.

    Great Speaker. 🙄

  585. Wes says:

    Maybe Republicans should resurrect Tom Reed or Joe Cannon and create him Speaker. Both of them were highly successful in keeping the House in line (at least until George Norris led a populist revolution in the House in 1910).

  586. PresidentPaul! says:

    Paul Ryan is a terrible speaker.

    Eight years of fake campaigning about repealing Obamacare, and we give him the entire government and he does nothing.

  587. PresidentPaul! says:

    Every morning we wake up depressed when we see the bus driver speaker on the television.

    I like calling him that because Maduro is called the bus driver president because he drove the school bus before running the economy whereas Ryan ran the weiner bus.

  588. Bitterlaw says:

    I thought Wes admired serial adulterers.

  589. Trump says:

    Gingrich wrested the house from the Dems after 54 years of uninterrupted rule.

    That he lost 5 seats in the subsequent election, against a popular president with a booming economy, is trivial.

    He got bills passed and signed by president from opposing party that at least advanced his agenda.

    Unlike Bozo the clown here, who undertakes to remake 1/6 of the economy with 17% public support, and brings this disaster to the floor without counting votes.

  590. Trump says:

    And by that standard, the Bozo is even more of a disaster, losing 6 seats in an election where his party’s presidential candidate wins comfortably.

  591. PresidentPaul! says:

    This seems crazy to me. Maybe this stuff is why some people get equally crazy with the demand that their kids go to Christian only schools.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/father-daughter-transition-together_us_58d53871e4b03692bea507e6?1vy97x85mgec23xr&

    “Corey Maison first made waves on the internet in 2015 when the aforementioned video showing her being surprised with her first dose of hormones went viral.”

  592. Bitterlaw says:

    DC

  593. Wes says:

    1) The House had been under Democrat control since 1955 when Gingrich became Speaker in 1995.

    2) While Gingrich did get bills passed and for a time change the narrative in Washington, he loved the spotlight too much and gave Clinton a foil to use for reelection in 1996, thus reviving the then-President’s previously bleak prospects for a second term.

    3) Republicans lost nine seats in 1996, not five.

    5) While the 104th Congress was remarksbly productive, the 105th Congress–the last Gingrich presided over–was not. Little, if any, significant legislation passed, and Congress spent most of 1998 fixated on whether or not Clinton received oral favors from Monica Lewinsky. Gingrich lost the confidence of his House colleagues early on even as he kept pushing impeachment over Clinton’s perjury even as Gingrich himself was running around on his wife with a woman who looks like a department store mannequin.

    6) By late 1998, Gingrich was a toxic figure nationally snd became Clinton’s punching bag. Democrats used him as a rallying cry and in November beat five Republican Congressmen for reelectiin, two Senators, and two Governors, netting up five seats in the House while breaking even in the Senate and governorships. Wisely realizing this was the end, Gingrich resigned from the House in January 1999 and has never held office since.

    Before becoming Soeaker, Gingrich was an astute politician who established a series of policy and campaign ideas that benefited Republicans and made recapture of the House an attainable goal. In 1995, during his first year as Speaker, Gingrich ran the House masterfully and forced Clinton to moderate from previously liberal governance.

    After his initial ideas ran out, Gingrich had nothing left and was unable to adapt to Clinton, costing himself support and becoming a lightning rod for Democrat campaign attacks. He lost his political acumen shortly after ascending to power.

    We can debate how well Ryan is doing as Speaker, but another Gingrich is clearly not the way to go.

  594. Wes says:

    I personally don’t much care if a politician commits adultery, Bitter. Backing legislation I support is to me far more important than whether a Congressman, Senator, Governor, or President is taking a womsn besides his wife to bed.

    However, Gingrich–while nailing a Capitol Hill staffer half his age behind his wife’s back–was pushing the impeachmdnt of Bill Clinton because Clinton lied under oath about receiving oral favors in the Oval Office. As a result, he undermined his own suppott both in the House and nationally and let Democrats effect a victory in 1998. He deserved to have to leave office ahead of a forceful ouster as Speaker.

  595. chicon says:

    It appears the governing coalition is currently like a football team with a bunch of new players, trying to learn how to operate together. Trump has never been in government before, and much of his team has little to no experience at legislating/governing. Ryan has plenty of experience in the House, but not as one who is driving the bus – easier to criticize the majority than actually put together a coalition. Similar issue with the House Freedom Caucus – easy to be pure when you’re in the minority, and more consequences when you’re in the majority. The moderate members of the House (many of whom were no votes the other day) have been able to look at the HFC as the red-headed step child, but now need to work with them.

    A lot to learn for all members of the team, and they need to do it soon.

  596. chicon says:

    602 – good points, but there was also the perjury aspect to Clinton’s situation. And the fact that his activities with the lady in question were per se sexual harassment, given their positions within the organization. Newt would have had to ignore both – it was not simply about banging someone outside the marriage (which on its own doesn’t bother me either).

  597. Robbie says:

    Called it again! The HFC has a whole bag of monkey wrenches and they intend to mess everything up.

    Rachael Bade?
    @rachaelmbade

    .@RepMarkMeadows again setting HFC on collision course w/@SpeakerRyan, saying tax cuts don’t need to be offset. Ryan wants rev-neutral.

  598. Robbie says:

    In response to the tweet I posted about the HFC mucking up tax reform, a Washington Examiner reporter close with Republicans posted to this.

    David M. Drucker?
    @DavidMDrucker 10m

    Expect tax reform to be rolled back to tax cuts when Rs inevitably can’t agree among themselves =>

  599. chicon says:

    So, the House Freedom Caucus – the remnants of the Tea Party movement, famous for fiscal conservatism – are the ones who will suddenly not care about debt? Hmmmm. Wouldn’t they be the ones who demand revenue-neutral?

  600. Robbie says:

    Simple rule to follow going forward. If Ryan supports it, the HFC will oppose it. They want to bring down Ryan. They don’t have an alternative to him, but that’s never stopped them before.

  601. chicon says:

    608 – so now they aren’t intellectually pure? Ok….

  602. Wes says:

    I mentioned the perjury in passing, Chicon. Even so, there was zero chance Clinton was going to be removed from office. Gingrich’s and Livingston’s personal peccadilloes gave Clinyon cover, and the case against Clinyon was muddled and never had a great deal of credibility with the American people.

    All Gingrich did by pushing it was empower Clinton. Thus, I look at the impeachment debacle as a colossal waste of time and can’t understand why Gingrich decided to launch this kamikaze mission that ultimately did no damage to Clinton but cost Gingrich his job.

  603. Phil says:

    Mark Warner hinted strongly that he will join the filibuster against Gorsuch today on MTP. The filibuster is on.

    Democrats know how to fight and don’t back down.

    They intend to win this and are counting on three Republican votes against the nuclear option. We found out one thing this week. Lindsay Graham won’t be one of those three votes. At least we have that.

  604. Wes says:

    Hm. I spelled Clinton twice with a y. I don’t think I’ve ever done that before.

  605. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump? @realDonaldTrump
    Democrats are smiling in D.C. that the Freedom Caucus, with the help of Club For Growth and Heritage, have saved Planned Parenthood & Ocare!

    Mark Lievine is bound to go postal tomorrow.

  606. Tina says:

    Flake, mcamnesty, and the maine chicklet are critical.

    Usuaaly, goober and mcamnesty do things in unison.

    Flake and the me chicklet are the wildcards.

  607. Wes says:

    Hasn’t McCain indicated he wants Gorsuch to be confirmed too?

    My personal thoughts are that Democrats are blustering and will back down before losing thd battle over the filibuster.

  608. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 26, 2017 at 10:50 am
    608 – so now they aren’t intellectually pure? Ok….

    – No matter the position they take, the HFC will claim it’s to preserve conservatism (aka purity). But if you look back at the fights they have waged, the HFC’s main tactic has been to oppose anything Boehner prefers and, now, Ryan prefers. They are not honest brokers and there can be no negotiations in good faith with them.

  609. chicon says:

    611 – I think McCain said something similar to Graham. Murkowski, too? Don’t know who the three defectors will be, other than Collins (who has been silent, I believe).

  610. Tina says:

    It would suck if they block gorsuch.

    Well qualified.

    The highlight so far of the trump presidency, despite the loss over the overly complicated health care plan with multiple phases that nobody understood.

  611. Phil says:

    Wes, logically I agree with you, but it is a historic fact that Democrats always press forward.

    They are serious.

  612. chicon says:

    Wes – I don’t disagree with you on Clinton/Gingrich; just think it is fair to Newt to include sexual harassment and perjury in the mix, as I think he was in a tougher spot than you let on above.

  613. Robbie says:

    I tend to agree with Wes. A lot of this is probably bluster from Schumer. They just want to see if McConnell really has the votes. But let’s be realistic, they have nothing to lose and, since Trump’s approval is way down, they might be able to find three Senators who want to preserve the filibuster. I don’t think they will, but again Democrats have nothing to lose.

  614. Tina says:

    Murkoksi is for nuclear.

    Surprised that she came out.

    It is really flake, who probably wil support the nuke option since he has an upcoming election and does not want to be primaried.

  615. Wes says:

    Of course if Schumer forces the nuclear option, Tester, Heitkamp, McCaskill, Donnelly, Brown, Baldwin, Stabenow, Nelson, and Casey will all have to go on record as opposing an attempt to give Gorsuch a vote. The Trumpkins in their states will not be amused.

  616. Tina says:

    Forrtunately, while imam not a big fan of the ky drunk in the senate, he has some experience to get arounf any obstacles, unlike his counterpart ryan.

    I am not sure ryan can survive this loss. Looks like the rs are blaming him more than trump, who also deserves just as much blame

  617. chicon says:

    615 – agree that they will back off on Gorsuch. I think they have a much better chance at getting three Republicans to vote against nuking the filibuster if it is a strict conservative replacing either Kennedy or (especially) Ginsburg.

  618. Wes says:

    They have something to lose if Schumer forces McConnell to go nuclear, Robbie. That’s why I think Dems will back down. This is not the hill to die on.

  619. Tina says:

    Breaking,

    Manchun wont join the schumah filibuster.

    See we have bi partisan concsensus on Gorsuch. That is how we play the game, right Fake News?

  620. Tina says:

    I hope gorsuch dies not turn into kennedy like or roberts lite.

    Alito lite, scalia lite, thomas lite, would be fine by me.

  621. chicon says:

    625 – Tina, it looks to me that Trump has sided with Ryan and decided to marginalize the HFC. Looks like a continuation of the Tea Party v. Establishment battles.

  622. Robbie says:

    I don’t necessarily see the SCOTUS vote as an effective 2018 campaign issue. The subtext seems to be that all those who turned out for him in 2016 will be motivated to do so again in 2018.

    Just as importantly, a lot of the analysis that suggests 2018 could be a great year for Republicans in the Senate seems to rely on the demographic argument that midterms are whiter and older. To me though, that sounds a lot like the arguments that Clinton would win in 2016 because of the increase in Black and Hispanic demographics.

    Demographics didn’t save her and I think it’s a mistake to bet on them saving Trump in 2018. Yes, the rural/urban divide is much wider than it once was, but I think job approval is the key factor.

  623. Tina says:

    Chicon, he is playing for a better deal.

    Walk away and make a better deal.

    This is classic trump.

    Privately, bannon and co want ryan on a platter for his failure.

  624. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    March 26, 2017 at 11:06 am
    They have something to lose if Schumer forces McConnell to go nuclear, Robbie. That’s why I think Dems will back down. This is not the hill to die on.

    – Well, they either lose the filibuster now or on the next one. That’s my point.

  625. Tina says:

    And remember how effective his tweets are for breaking theough the media.

    Wire tapping ended the russian story, now we have actual. Evidence of tapping.

  626. Phil says:

    Wes, Pennsylvania, Michigan, aren’t really red states. Schumer knows Casey and Stabenow are relatively safe. Even if all the others wrote no on the filibuster (doubtful all will) he has enough votes to sustain any filibuster.

    The only question involves whether republicans can get 50 votes to nuke.

    Tina. Murkowski has not committed to nuke – only said a filibuster was not justified and Gorsuch was a good guy.

    It’s a game of chicken. I will tell you this, if Democrats are able to keep this seat open for Trump’s term it will be a humiliation for the Republican Party that will never be lived down. They will lose me forever.

  627. chicon says:

    626 – I agree. However, one thing to consider is the unrelenting pressure being put on the Dems by their zealots. He’ll have to do some serious selling if they don’t filibuster.

    Like you pointed out above, he does risk something by forcing the red state dems to go on the record for the filibuster, but he’s getting serious heat from the kooks. Tough spot, but I don’t exactly feel bad for him!

  628. Robbie says:

    The best part of the filibuster is, even though Republicans may or may not balk, the Democrats will nuke it at their first opportunity.

  629. Phil says:

    Manchun is in a state that Hillary lost by 40 points. Schumer never counted on him. They will have 41 votes without him.

  630. Phil says:

    Well, Robbie is right about one thing. Democrats will nuke the first time they get a majority. Had Clinton won and Democrats hung on to the Senate the filibuster would have been nuked on day one. They play to win, folks.

  631. chicon says:

    632 – Chucky has a much better chance of winning the filibuster issue on a lesser nominee (Gorsuch is untouchable so far) who is replacing a lefty or the swing seat. That is Chucky’s calculus – do I have a better chance of being able to successfully filibuster Gorsuch or the next one? If he fires the bullet and loses this time, he’s screwed next time. If he maintains the filibuster now, at least he has a chance of having an impact on the next pick (small as it is).

  632. Phil says:

    It’s not small.

  633. chicon says:

    Phil, have you been peeking? 🙂

  634. Tina says:

    Full of Schiff just defended unmasking.

    Nunes must have the goods in the obama wiretap scandal.

  635. Robbie says:

    Speaking Newt, Mark Meadows’ gambit on healthcare reminds me a lot of Newt’s interaction with Bush 41 over the budget in the early 1990’s. In the end, it separated Bush 41 from the base and played a role in his 1992 loss, but it made Newton Leroy Gingrich Speaker in 1994.

  636. Robbie says:

    Furthering my less than optimistic view about the fate of tax reform, Mark Meadows, taking a victory lap on the Sunday shows, suggested he and the Freedom Caucus may oppose a tax reform bill that included offsets like a border adjustment tax.

    Now, that sounds good in theory, but here’s why Meadows’ comments may scuttle tax reform. In order for the tax reform bill to qualify for Senate reconciliation, it must be revenue neutral. If the overall bill doesn’t meet that standard, it wouldn’t qualify for reconciliation and Democrats could filibuster.

    So the net effect of Meadows’ comments are this. He’s already signaling he may be willing to blow up another cherished conservative goal, tax reform, over orthodoxy and purity.

    If tax reform fails because of gamesmanship by the HFC, it will be a disaster for Trump and every elected Republicans and there would be almost no way to recover before 2018.

  637. Robbie says:

    A long, but informative read on the Freedom Caucus and the role they played in scuttling Obamacare repeal. Here are a few quotes.

    -“Freedom Caucus insiders said offers of compromise or arguments for support were often panned by the most ardent members of the group, such as Jordan and Rep. Raúl Labrador (R-Idaho). The group acceded to those voices.”

    -“The members were also buttressed by outside forces. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) repeatedly showed up to Freedom Caucus meetings to remind members that they could take down the bill if they stuck together. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) met privately with caucus members to explain his issues with the bill — though he stopped short of telling them how to vote, sources said. And Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) called at least a dozen conservative House members before the planned vote to urge them to hold firm.”

    -“White House officials started to feel the internal war in the House was about more than just policy. They frequently heard from Freedom Caucus members about how much they distrusted Ryan, who they complained excluded them from his drafting of the Obamacare replacement. White House officials became convinced that the more Ryan was involved, the less the Freedom Caucus trusted them to deliver.”

    -“There was a growing sense among White House officials and senior Republicans that the group’s members didn’t want to negotiate and that it didn’t matter what they promised.”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-freedom-caucus-obamacare-repeal-replace-secret-pact-236507

  638. Wes says:

    Tax reform is an at best unlikely occurrence. Tax cuts are far more palatable. Republicans shouldn’t shoot for the moon on something Americans aren’t clamoring for but should aim for something less ambitious and easier to sell to the general populace. Incrementalism is the best way to do these things as the Democrats have demonstrated many times.

  639. Robbie says:

    The story I posted in 645 seems to add to view I’ve held for a few days. In other words, the important members of the HFC never really wanted a deal and the early pact they formed ensured the influential voices would get what they wanted.

    Second, the HFC hates Paul Ryan and saw this as an opportunity to air their grievances with him and embarrass him. If they take the same approach to tax reform, as increasingly seems likely, they will almost certainly claim Paul Ryan’s scalp. Unfortunately, they will also render Trump’s presidency a total failure and send the conservative movement into a years long civil war that will, effectively, “Make Democrats Great Again”.

  640. Wes says:

    Ryan should be Lyndon Johnson with a smile and publicly cultivate a genial, noncontroversial demeanor while silently dropping the hammer on the HFC’s intractable members.

    I’d recommend Ryan read and implement the principles from the following books:

    Art of War-Sun Tzu
    The Prince-Macchiavelli
    48 Laws of Power-Robert Greene

  641. Robbie says:

    Wes

    I disagree on tax reform. I think it’s winner. And considering I rarely hold an optimistic view, that’s saying something. But we’ll never get there because purity concerns will scuttle the instrument needed to make it happen.

  642. Wes says:

    I’m sad to say two of North Carolina’s Congressmen are HFC members. This is not radical country. That’s why Burr and Tillis are Senators while Brannon is an also-ran.

  643. Robbie says:

    Wes

    Given the HFC is larger than the margin Republicans have in the House, how can Ryan effectively isolate them? Short of working with Democrats, I don’t see it. And if Ryan does that, he could be deposed by the HFC. Only tactic I see is running credible candidates in the primaries against the HFC.

  644. chicon says:

    Robbie – there’s plenty of stories about the HFC not compromising. There are also some that describe the HFC as having made concessions (such as accepting subsidies, which would be tough for them to accept). I linked to these articles yesterday. Both sides are planting articles making the other look bad. But I guess we believe what we want to believe.

  645. Wes says:

    The moderate Democrats Johnson relied on for his margin from 1955 to 1959 were far greater were far greater in number than his slender majority, Robbie. Ryan should follow Johnson’s lead.

  646. janz says:

    Here is another take on the Trump surveillance story. Political advantage and manipulation always seems to be at the crux of most democrat/republican agendas, rather than true truth-seeking or honestly working for the best outcome for the people.

  647. Robbie says:

    The problems with the defense of the HFC on Obamacare repeal is they ignore the fact the HFC has acted this way on every piece of major legislation. This was not a new tactic for them. This is what they do. And even though the HFC didn’t formally exist in 2011, their members were playing this same game with the debt ceiling fight.

    No one claimed the bill was perfect, but it was a vehicle to keep the process moving. Now, it’s dead. More importantly, it delivered a major blow to a new president just finishing his second month on the job. I’m not sure we’ve ever seen that. nd if they gum up the works on tax reform, well……

  648. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    March 26, 2017 at 1:40 pm
    The moderate Democrats Johnson relied on for his margin from 1955 to 1959 were far greater were far greater in number than his slender majority, Robbie. Ryan should follow Johnson’s lead.

    – I think that’s Ryan’s best path forward, but both parties are so much more ideologically pure now than they were even a decade ago. What Democrats would be willing to go against the wrath of their party? Aren’t the Blue Dogs, basically, all gone now?

  649. chicon says:

    656 Don’t fall down, now, but I think you’re right on that one. They’ll only do a major deal with Trump if it is a clear win for them. Their base will be irate if they do anything of substance with him. Trump may feign such a proposition, though, in an effort to get the Hatfield’s and McCoy’s of the Republican Party to get along.

  650. Robbie says:

    Philip Klein?
    @philipaklein 2m
    2 minutes ago

    Ben is right. I’d add:GOP won’t be cutting deals with mod Ds bc Pelosi knows how to whip votes & she wont want to give Trump bipartisan wins

  651. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    630. “Just as importantly, a lot of the analysis that suggests 2018 could be a great year for Republicans in the Senate seems to rely on the demographic argument that midterms are whiter and older.”

    Not correct. The reason Republicans have the advantage in the 2018 Senate election is that there are 25 Democrats up for re-election and only 9 Republicans. Many of the Democrats are running in states that vote heavily Republican — such as West Virginia, Montana, North Dakota, Indiana and Missouri. Most the Republicans are running in states which vote heavily Republican. Nevada may be the exception.

  652. Trump says:

    Ryan is a weak sister. Everyone knows he has zero leadership skills, that’s why they keep him as speaker. He pulled the bill so as not to record the moderate squishes.

    He is also suicidally incompetent. Pushing a bill with 17% public support is definition of political suicide.

  653. NYCmike says:

    ““But what about after repeal,” one might ask. “[H.R. 1436] gives us two years to work on a replacement that is grounded in real patient-centered, free market principles,” Pye stated.”

  654. NYCmike says:

    Robbie to find another excuse for “moderation” and to back the HFC in 3….2….1…..

  655. Robbie says:

    Evidence the Freedom Caucus is starting to crack?

    Chad Pergram?Verified account @ChadPergram 31s32 seconds ago
    More
    Rep Ted Poe (R-TX) resigns from Freedom Caucus. Tells Meadows. Had planned to vote yea on health care bill

  656. NYCmike says:

    For some weird reason, I bet some of the more “moderate” members of the Republican House and Senate may find a way to vote differently in 2017 than they did in 2015……….and certain HHR posters will make excuses for them…….while also blaming the HFC……

  657. Robbie says:

    The HFC is totally disingenuous. They wanted a two step process because they knew there would never be an agreement on the replacement later. Effectively, repeal now and replace later was repeal only.

  658. NYCmike says:

    Passed thru Congress in 2015……..

  659. Trump says:

    Tax collectors for the Welfare State.

  660. chicon says:

    Assuming the Dems aren’t going to work with Trump on any significant legislation, he (and Ryan) is going to have to cobble together a governing coalition among the establishment and conservative factions. If he doesn’t, he’ll achieve nothing and will have an extremely difficult chance for re-election. So, how does he do it?

    I would find an important legislative topic and publicly put the HFC in charge of drafting the law and working to get a majority of the House to go along. If their M.O. is to just saying no to whatever is put in front of them, put the onus on them. This may seem to be caving in to them, and it largely is, but Trump must find a way to get stuff through Congress or he is toast in 2020.

  661. Robbie says:

    Any legislation that made it through the Congress in 2015 was little more than a “show vote”. They could all vote for the item because they knew Obama would veto it.

    Governing is a lot different than preening for the cameras and the interest groups. As Tom Rooney of Florida said Friday, the party hasn’t done anything over the last eight years other than stop something from happening. That’s all the HFC knows.

  662. Trump says:

    Ha ha

    See the Jeb coc-sucker spin fo the snakes.

    Put the 2015 bill for vote, and let the vote changers explain why.

    Bet they won’t do that, because they have no guts.

  663. chicon says:

    664 – You’re sounding a bit hopeful, mi amigo. One person leaving that caucus is a little short of “beginning to crack”. Another Trump-like exaggeration.

  664. Trump says:

    Keep spinning, losers. This how you lose majorities.

    Broken promises.

    “Read my lips, no new taxes”

  665. chicon says:

    Robbie – you’re whining again….. How about telling us how you would proceed if you were Trump or Ryan, given the current landscape. Whining that you want a different landscape gets you nowhere.

  666. Trump says:

    First of all, stop f ing with 1/6 of the economy. Especially with 17% public support. Who would support a replacement that increases premiums, with less coverage?

    Less popular than even Obamacare. That takes special talent.

    Obamacare brought down the Dems. Ryancare will bring down the reps.

    Enable interstate buying, scrap federal regs such as “essential health benefits”.

  667. Trump says:

    Makes too much sense, not enough opportunity for graft and campaign funds.

  668. Trump says:

    In the meantime, stop “fixing” Obamacare. Which is what this was.

    Let insurers pull out. Let he states pick up the full cost of expanded Medicaid, when the f’ed subsidy nods (3 years, right?). Let the governors who expanded Medicaid (looking at you, Kasich) and their successors figure out the real cost.

  669. Trump says:

    Funny to watch how the GOP moderates went against the bill when they talked about eliminating “essential health benefits”.

    What are “essential health benefits”, other than federal mandates? Replacing one set of mandates wth another is not repeal.

  670. Trump says:

    Instead of Obama, the GOP will dictate what “essential health benefits” will be offered.

  671. Trump says:

    If you want to smoke out the snakes, bring the same 2015 repeal bill that passed.

    Let the vote changers explain their rationale.

  672. chicon says:

    So, do the repeal and then try to get to at least 18% on the replace?

  673. Trump says:

    Senate passes bill to repeal Obamacare – CNN, Dec 4, 2015

    It’s been done before.

  674. chicon says:

    I suspect the reason for the change of heart for most of them on the old bill is that it leaves the replace until later. That means a filibuster is likely, which means only a repeal. This scares the crap out of the establishment Republicans because they think they’ll own the health care mess in the eyes of the public.

  675. Trump says:

    Congress ends Obamacare repeal bill to president for the frost time – Jan 6, 2016.

    It’s been done before.

  676. Trump says:

    Sends, and first.

  677. Trump says:

    Broken promises lead to lost majorities.

    Keep that in mind.

  678. PresidentPaul! says:

    If the freedom caucus can take down Paul Ryan even though Trump’s presidency would be considered a failure by people like Robbie as above, I’d still consider that a victory.

    They killed a bad bill.

  679. Trump says:

    At the rate they are going, it seems the GOP will not have to worry about repealing Obamacare.

    They can go back to empty rhetoric and campaign fund-raising. The ones who remain, that is.

  680. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    670. “Governing is a lot different than preening for the cameras and the interest groups. As Tom Rooney of Florida said Friday, the party hasn’t done anything over the last eight years other than stop something from happening. That’s all the HFC knows.”

    Agree.

    The tea party should not become the tail wagging the dog. Some of them need to be be challenged in the primaries in 2018. It needs to be pointed out they are responsible for preserving Obamacare as is.

  681. Robbie says:

    PresidentPaul! says:
    March 26, 2017 at 4:41 pm
    If the freedom caucus can take down Paul Ryan even though Trump’s presidency would be considered a failure by people like Robbie as above, I’d still consider that a victory.

    They killed a bad bill.

    – Maybe they could bring Ron Paul back from Hale Bopp Comet and make him Speaker.

    The Freedom Caucus just lost Ted Poe as a member and it wouldn’t surprise me if they lost another one soon. Their “my way or the highway” tactics are BS.

  682. NYCmike says:

    “Any legislation that made it through the Congress in 2015 was little more than a “show vote”.”

    -“Show vote” for whom? HFC, or the “Main Street” Republicans?

  683. Trump says:

    Took down the fake repeal bill, for sure.

  684. NYCmike says:

    “The tea party should not become the tail wagging the dog.”

    -Since the bill was NEVER brought to a vote, you are ASSUMING all of the other non-HFC members were in favor.

  685. PresidentPaul! says:

    How a secret Freedom Caucus pact brought down Ryancare repeal!

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-freedom-caucus-obamacare-repeal-replace-secret-pact-236507

    The idea, hatched by Freedom Caucus Vice Chairman Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), was to bind them together in negotiations and ensure the White House or House leaders could not peel them off one by one. Twenty-eight of the group’s roughly three dozen members took the plunge. Three weeks later, Republican leaders, as many as 25 votes short of passage, were forced to pull their bill from the House floor. “This is a defining moment for our nation, but it’s also a defining moment for the Freedom Caucus,” said group leader Mark Meadows about a week before the doomed vote was scheduled.

  686. Tina says:

    Maybe we can get the new healthcare bill with 5 phases and not 3.

  687. NYCmike says:

    “Some of them need to be be challenged in the primaries in 2018.”

    -No problem with challenges, as I have said repeatedly.

    Let’s see how consistent Robbie, Wes, jason, etc are in regards to primary challenges.

  688. Tina says:

    Ryan needs to do better, or be replaced. We have no margin for error.

  689. PresidentPaul! says:

    Robbie- The GOP missed MAJOR opportunities to elect a conservative when Ron Paul was running.

    Now we’re stuck with Trump (who is much better than Jeb-Rubio I might add)

  690. NYCmike says:

    DCC

  691. Robbie says:

    One HFC member I’d love to see lose in a primary is Ted Yoho. I don’t believe he’s ever voted yes for a substantive piece of legislation. He won his seat by upsetting Cliff Stearns and his district is not your typical HFC district. A well funded challenger could beat him just as was done to HFC member Tim Huelskamp last year in Kansas.

  692. Trump says:

    The Jeb coc-sucker knows that the GOP is nothing more than dem lite.

    The days of fooling voters are coming rapidly to an end.

    I thought they would see some light, after the 2016 ncampaign and results. Apparently it is not clear yet. They need more 4×4’s to their heads.

    I will keep repeating – broken promises lead to lost majorities. They promised Obamacare repeal, they didn’t.

  693. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Ryan should have brought the matter to a House vote, and gotten a substitute motion passed stating the House requests that Obamacare be repealed and replaced with a better alternative. The President, in consultation with Congress, should have been directed to prepare a suitable replacement.

    Likely it would have had the votes for passage, and so Trump could have claimed he has taken the first major step in replacing Obamacare. Unlike McConnell, neither Ryan or the Trump Administration had the experience necessary to do this type of parliamentary maneuver on short notice.

    If it had happened, we now would have been talking about how to replace Obamacare, and not that Trump failed in the effort.

  694. Robbie says:

    Yes, we missed a huge opportunity to vote for senile old fool who encourages people to hoard food for the coming disintegration of society.

    The Internet has done many great things, but giving an outsized voice to boutique/fringe candidates is not one of them.

  695. Trump says:

    Why bring Jeb into this, sucker?

  696. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    March 26, 2017 at 4:52 pm
    Ryan needs to do better, or be replaced. We have no margin for error.

    – There’s no negotiating with HFC. They wake every morning and figuratively strap on their suicide belts and head to work.

    Right now, they have the numbers to defeat any piece of Republican legislation. And if they do the same to tax reform, they will have ruined Ryan and Trump.

  697. Trump says:

    17 percent support for ryancare.

    Who wants to put their name to it?

  698. Trump says:

    Ruining Ryan is a blessing. The guy is pure poison.

  699. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 26, 2017 at 4:51 pm
    “Some of them need to be be challenged in the primaries in 2018.”

    -No problem with challenges, as I have said repeatedly.

    Let’s see how consistent Robbie, Wes, jason, etc are in regards to primary challenges.

    – We’re consistent. Idiots should be primaried. Competent candidates shouldn’t be.

  700. Trump says:

    Jeb coc-sucker, instead of empty Internet chest pounding, why don’t you run against tom massie?

  701. Trump says:

    Here’s a simple next step – put the 2015 Obamacare repeal bill for a vote.

    Ryan and McConnell don’t travel the guts, it may actually result in Obamacare repeal.

    What will happen to the insurance companies then?

  702. Trump says:

    Here are some problems with primarying anyone

    1) you cannot even point to a vote – you cannot point out who voted to keep Obamacare –

    2) ryancare itself is highly unpopular – hardly anyone is angry that ryancare failed

    3) nobody has enough funds to establish a narrative

  703. Trump says:

    Stakeholders with money – chamber of commerce, insurance industry – are fine with Obamacare. None of them are pounding the pavement for ryancare and against Obamacare.

  704. chicon says:

    So, Trump is gonna give up on working with the HFC, thereby giving up on passing any meaningful legislation until after the 2018 elections? You guys must want a democratic congress….

  705. Trump says:

    Chicon,

    Me trump, or trump trump?

  706. chicon says:

    The Prez, my friend.

  707. Trump says:

    In 3 months, this non-vote will be even less of a footnote than the 2015 repeal vote.

  708. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    713 “Stakeholders with money – chamber of commerce, insurance industry – are fine with Obamacare.”

    Actually business and private payees have major problems with Obamacare — it is imploding. You may have a form of government health insurance, and no one is trying to take it away from you. But the premise of Obamacare is not working:

    ___

    The Washington Times – Monday, October 24, 2016

    “Obamacare premiums will soar in 2017, the administration acknowledged Monday, with the price of the most popular benchmark plans jumping an average of 22 percent as the law continues to rely on older, sicker customers than its backers had envisioned.

    The number of insurers offering plans on the federally run exchange will also plummet as companies tap out, saying they can’t figure out a way to make the economics work — and raising the risk of lower competition and worse premium increases.

    Roughly one in five customers will have only a single insurer as an option next year after major players such as UnitedHealth Group and Aetna withdrew from most states and nearly all of Obamacare’s co-op plans failed.

    That’s particularly rough news for President Obama, who is trying to boost his legacy in his final months in office, and for Hillary Clinton, his would-be Democratic successor, who has defended the law.”

  709. Trump says:

    Right, and Ryan wanted to make this GOPs problem, increasing premiums on seniors and insuring lesser number.

    Who thought that was a great idea?

  710. Trump says:

    Not to mention mandating coverage.

  711. Trump says:

    Any doubts who wrote the ryancare bill?

  712. Cash Cow TM says:

    Happy Anniversary to the Wizard Wissing.

  713. chicon says:

    Such a thoughtful bovine…

  714. Trump says:

    One final point on the Trump/Ryan care:

    How is replacing an unpopular plan with an even more unpopular plan considered a winner? What is the logic? People will love it later?

  715. Thomas Cotton for President says:

    I don’t understand how anyone could defend Ryan. He’s a loser. He needs to go!

  716. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trump is opening the door to working with Democrats. He’s not going to let a bunch of extremists box him in.

    “Fresh off a defeat on U.S. healthcare legislation, the White House warned rebellious conservative lawmakers that they should get behind President Donald Trump’s agenda or he may bypass them on future legislative fights, including tax reform.

    Both Trump and Priebus have scolded hardline conservatives who rejected legislation backed by the White House to overhaul Obamacare.

    Speaking on “Fox News Sunday,” Priebus held out the possibility of working with moderate Democrats as well as Republicans to pass other aspects of Trump’s agenda, such as his proposed budget, the revamp of the tax code and a renewed effort at healthcare reform.”

    * * *

    “If we can come up with a bill that accomplishes the goals of the president with Republicans alone, we’ll take it and we’ll move forward with it,” Priebus said.

    But he added: “I think it’s more or less a warning shot that we’re willing to talk to anyone. We always have been and I think more so now than ever.”

    Also hearing rumblings that there will be some primary challenges to several extremists in 2018. Trump’s message: “Your fired.” It would be a great TV add.

  717. chicon says:

    San Diego – I’m sure Trump wants to use that threat against the HFC, but I don’t think they’ll think it is a legit threat. The Dems aren’t gonna wanna help Trump at all (and Pelosi is good at holding her caucus together), and there are very few moderate Dems.

  718. Cash Cow TM says:

    “…Priebus held out the possibility of working with moderate Democrats…”
    *******************************************
    And he should also work with the Triceratops, the dodos and the unicorns.

    Oh, wait.
    None of those FOUR things exist anymore.

  719. Walt says:

    That was a wild last 5 minutes of the KY-NC game.

    Can;t believe NC beat the NBA feeder team.

    My hot cousin was a cheerleader at North Carolina back in the late 1960s to early 1970s.

    Mebbe I will root for them from here on out.

  720. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 26, 2017 at 5:22 pm
    So, Trump is gonna give up on working with the HFC, thereby giving up on passing any meaningful legislation until after the 2018 elections? You guys must want a democratic congress….

    – Regrettably, Ryan will almost certainly have to work with the HFC. The have more votes than the party has as a majority over the Democrats. The math matters here so the HFC wins that score.

    If the HFC had ever shown a willingness to take 80%, that would be one thing. In their brief history though (even going to back to the debt ceiling in 2011), the HFC and the forerunners of the caucus have never played ball on key votes.

    Tax reform is going to be the defining moment of the Republican Party and the Trump administration. If the HFC once again gums up the works, then that’s all she wrote for elected Republicans.

  721. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is opening the door to working with Democrats.”

    -And how would the President do that? If Ryan and Mitch are silly enough to craft bills acceptable to Dems, then obviously the problem lies with their beliefs, not the supposed stubbornness of the HFC.

  722. NYCmike says:

    Robbie still hasn’t answered the question: why would Ryan look to pass a bill liked by 17% of the american electorate?

  723. Trump says:

    It will get better once it passes.

  724. Trump says:

    As I said, the GOP should be on its knees thanking the HFC.

    HFC saved them from ramming through a 17% -support bill.

    Not that it would have gone anywhere in the senate.

  725. Trump says:

    Pass the 2015 repeal bill again, with a 12 month sunset.

    That’s the only practical move.

    And then pass bill enabling interstate commerce in health insurance, scrapping fed regs (including FDA), and get out of the way.

  726. Trump says:

    But they won’t do it, because it does not provide opportunities for graft and subsequent campaign fundraising.

  727. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 26, 2017 at 8:55 pm
    Robbie still hasn’t answered the question: why would Ryan look to pass a bill liked by 17% of the american electorate?

    – And you still haven’t answered why the hard right can’t learn to move past their all or nothing mentality. An 80% win is a lot better than a 0% loss.

    Obamacare will now live on for a long, long time because of the HFC.

  728. Chicon says:

    Robbie – do you know the specific request/position that the HFC refused to agree to? You keep saying they wouldn’t cave but offer nothing about what they were asked to cave on.

  729. Trump says:

    Well, the GOP had a chance to repeal. They did it in 2015, they vame up itch Obamacare 2.0 in 2017.

    Sucks, Jeb coc-sucker.

  730. Trump says:

    Who squad the HFC didn’t vote for the preserve Obamacare bill?

    Was there a vote taken that they erased from congressional record?

    It is more likely that the snakes, aka the moderates, were voting no because trump decided to take out federal govt mandating “essential health benefits”?

  731. Trump says:

    It is bad when Obama mandates health coverage, it is good when Ryan does it.

    That is the dilemma facing the GOP.

  732. Trump says:

    17 % support.

    Never forget.

    #17percent.

  733. Trump says:

    #17percentSupportRyanCare

  734. Trump says:

    A recipe for Laing congress. 17 percent.

  735. Trump says:

    The no-principle moderates bailed out because their phone lines were burning.

    The public overwhelmingly rejected ryancare.

  736. Trump says:

    The Jeb coc-sucker Robbie will never grasp that. His brain has been seeped with Jeb outpouring for years.

    It’s like a Groundhog Day of brokered convention for this retarded monkey.

  737. Trump says:

    The moron is always looking down the business end of a rifle.

  738. Trump says:

    First Jeb, then brokered convention, then 17%-supported RyanCare.

    At some point, we have to let him go as a hopeless case, gone from the society of the sane. Lamented by none.

  739. Trump says:

    Pull the plug on this dead monkey.

  740. Chicon says:

    Ok, who put the quarter in poster Trump?

  741. Trump says:

    And for another quarter, Ryan is pure poison.

    He is policy wonk, not a leader. Give him a Rubik’s cube to play with. Not legislate.

  742. Trump says:

    And man, is he weak. Trump is scheduling house votes,band Ryan is reduced to saying, yes master.

    Trump will likely keep him as speaker, now that he has a water boy in the house.

  743. Chicon says:

    Not an unreasonable position, Trump. I’m holding out hope that Ryan can build a workable coalition. I’m also not sure who else can do the job of solving Hatfield v. McCoy.

  744. Walt says:

    RAS has now adjusting / aligning with Gallup

    TRUMP APPROVE / DISAPPROVE

    Gallup 40 – 54
    RAS 44 – 56

  745. Cash Cow TM says:

    Biden now regretting he did not run for POTUS

    Walt is as well.
    But he realized his only shot was if there was a brokered convention.

  746. Cash Cow TM says:

    Guess what Walt’s campaign slogan would have been?
    (actually, I was the one who dreamed it up)

    ________?

  747. QQ847688426 says:

    ???????????????????????? ????????????

  748. PresidentPaul! says:

    When you threaten to leave USA if it votes Trump, but the country does it anyways

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C76CbWAVMAQqMpf.jpg

  749. PresidentPaul! says:

    Trump told the freedom caucus hes going to work with the democrats instead lol.

    Maybe he doesn’t get who his enemies vs friends are considering the democrats consider Trump to be a combination of the kkk and hitler combined into one person.

    Im sure they want to help him out.

  750. PresidentPaul! says:

    Ted Cruz says that PaulRyan bill was a vote against keeping Obamacare rather than repeal.

    GOP needs to stay focused on repeal and failure is not an option says Cruz.

    http://www.redstate.com/patterico/2017/03/27/next-step-repealing-obamacare-ted-cruz-answer/

  751. PresidentPaul! says:

    Trump and Ryan find their new coalition and voters lol to pass these crappy bills!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_loHlC87DgE

  752. PresidentPaul! says:

    House about to pass another bad bill

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/how-isps-can-sell-your-web-history-and-how-to-stop-them

    The Senate vote was 50-48, with every Republican senator voting to kill privacy rules and every Democratic senator voting to preserve them.

  753. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tebLvU8AAogoU.jpg

    These three look suspicious

  754. Robbie says:

    This is an interesting read about the jockeying between the Bannon wing and a group being led by Gary Cohn. Cohn might become the new COS if Reince is let go. I don’t have an opinion on Cohn, but the story notes he is one of the few willing to push back on Trump.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/white-house-internal-battles-treasury-department-236476

  755. NYCmike says:

    “He is policy wonk, not a leader. Give him a Rubik’s cube to play with. Not legislate.”

    -If anyone can give evidence to show that this is NOT a true statement, please do.

    Ryan, as far as I can tell, is a GOOD person. Kind of like Mitt Romney. Trump, the President, is an AS SHOLE! Right there is the reason for Mitt’s loss and Trump’s win.

    Ryan should have stayed in the policy-making part of the House, and let some devious SOB get legislation, conservative-oriented legislation, thru to the Senate (where then we would have to worry about Mitchie, but one step at a time).

  756. NYCmike says:

    “– And you still haven’t answered why the hard right can’t learn to move past their all or nothing mentality. An 80% win is a lot better than a 0% loss.”

    -I can’t answer a question where the details are not known.

    The bill that was being debated had several new items come out over the course of its public exposure. The Republican House did NOT come out explaining all of the issues being tackled. There was no communication at all, except for them saying ti was step 1 of 3. That process should have been debated in conference and explained, and if there were issues then, handled.

    Either get your ducks in a row beforehand, or don’t let them out of the barn.

  757. Robbie says:

    Pat Leahy told a Vermont newspaper he’s not inclined to filibuster Gorsuch.

  758. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    UPDATE: AMERICANS FLEEING BIG CITIES…

    This is stage 1 of left wing strategy to turn America full whackadoodle.

    Take surplus left wing D big city values votes, redistribute them to swing states to tip scales to left wing D in those places…

  759. Robbie says:

    Those who think Ryan shouldn’t have stayed in a policy making role fail to mention there was no one else who could have unified the caucus when Boehner was forced out by the Freedom Caucus. Tom Cole probably came the closest, but that’s about it. Louis Gohmert, Thom Massie, and Daniel Webster were never going to happen.

  760. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    Does the Speaker have to be a member of the House?

  761. Cash Cow TM says:

    29%
    African-Americans who have post-traumatic stress disorder in a low-income neighborhood on the South Side of Chicago, according to a recent study. All the participants reported experiencing or witnessing violent crime.

    THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE | MARCH 27, 2017

  762. marc says:

    Democrat Tim Walz to run for Minnesota Gov.

    http://www.postbulletin.com/news/politics/walz-to-run-for-governor/article_bf1a1a38-f506-5c21-b2f1-cf2365af29c0.html

    Minn-2 will be a prime pick up opportunity for the GOP, barring a total wave type election.

  763. marc says:

    Minn-01

  764. marc says:

    Judiciary committee Democrats ask for delay in Judge Gorsuch vote

  765. Phil says:

    776

    ….and so it begins.

    let me guess, their “delay” time table would extend until after the 2020 election.

  766. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 27, 2017 at 11:14 am
    Robbie,
    Does the Speaker have to be a member of the House?

    – No. But the idea they’d chose someone not in the House is as laughable and unrealistic as the idea the College of Cardinals will elect as pope someone who isn’t a Cardinal.

  767. Tina says:

    I am sure the republicrats in the senate, will ok the delay.

    You know lets be bipartisan.

  768. Wes says:

    Mike, constitutionally the Speaker needn’t be a member of the House. However, since the First Congress took office in 1789, the Speaker has always been a Congressmen. Before Henry Clay became Speaker, the office functioned as a nonpartisan officer of the House. Since then, the Speaker has taken a partisan role as the leader of the majority party in the House.

  769. Tina says:

    Ryan has rino tendencies, ie illegal immigration.

    So far, he has not demonstrated any leadership qualities.

    He does not remind me of the person that challenged the obumbler on obama care in 2009 or 2010.

    Since that time, he has appeared weak and timid. He was beaten by gaffe biden in the vp debate in 2012.

    To make a long story short, I am hoping he can turn it all around. I am not quite there at having him removed.

  770. Tina says:

    My patience with ryan is more than my patience with the ky blue rino.

    Ky blue rino is a disgrace, ryan is not.

  771. Wes says:

    Grassley isn’t going to stand for Democrat shenanigans on Gorsuch. The hog farmer from Iowa hasn’t exactly been friendly to Democrats since Bruce Braley insulted him.

  772. Tina says:

    In some better news for trump after the healthcare debacle

    4 bills Trump signs today reverse Obama on:
    -disclosure of labor violations
    -Planning 2.0 rule
    -school standards
    -reporting on teacher prep.

  773. Robbie says:

    The delay in the Judiciary committee meeting was totally expected and the right of the minority. Not a big deal yet.

  774. Barrett says:

    From FiveThirtyEight

    Approve: 44.3%
    Disapprove: 50.6%

    More specifically
    Quinn: 37% approve, 56% disapprove
    Ras: 45% approve, 54% disapprove
    Yougov: 44% approve, 49% disapprove

  775. Robbie says:

    It’s just one tracking poll, but Trump’s approval dropped to 36% in Gallup today. Yikes.

    It’s been a rough first two months.

  776. Phil says:

    My comment about delaying Gorsuch until after the 2020 was, of course, tongue in cheek.

    What will ultimately happen is that the filibuster will be called off after Republicans agree not to nuke the filibuster for the rest of Trump’s term. That is where this is heading. That will insure if Kennedy retires this summer as many expect, he can’t be replaced by a solid conservative. Also, insures that if Ginsburg passes or retires a conservative replacement will also be blocked.

    Big win for Schumer. Would Democrats if the situation were reversed agree to such a deal? Of course not.

    Republican Party…. the party of stupid. Morons.

  777. NYCmike says:

    Agree with Phil – again, the Democrats are THE ENEMY, when the war is over a nation that wants to be The USA, or Europe-lite.

  778. NYCmike says:

    “– No. But the idea they’d chose someone not in the House is as laughable and unrealistic as the idea the College of Cardinals will elect as pope someone who isn’t a Cardinal.”

    -So, in other words, neither side wants to give an inch, thereby ensuring that ALL are responsible when ACHA-mishaps occur.

    As long as we are straight on that……

  779. NYCmike says:

    “first two months”

    -Say that over and over until it sinks in, please.

  780. NYCmike says:

    Did the Senate agree to the delay?

  781. Tina says:

    A story that trump handed Mullah Murkle a bill are now Fake News.

    The story appears to be linked to politico.

  782. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    “Sessions Announces Crackdown on Sanctuary Cities…”

  783. NYCmike says:

    ““Sessions Announces Crackdown on Sanctuary Cities…””

    -Very odd circumstances in past 2-3 months, since the New Year, and Trump becoming President……I am not sure if the ports are busier, more freight coming in, or the usual warehouses which handle certain accounts are busier themselves, or if those same warehouses let staff go, or the staff removed themselves…..but freight we had bid on before and NOT gotten is all of a sudden coming our way, despite the fact that we maintained our price discipline.

  784. NYCmike says:

    Robbie says the HFC is the “take it or leave it” group.

    This guy says otherwise (I will note his district is GOP-territory):

    “They rolled it out after it was hidden away. When they rolled it out, they said it’s a binary choice, take it or leave it. Normally when you have hearings on a piece of legislation that impacts this much of our overall economy, you would bring in some witnesses and hear from some witnesses about what’s going to happen if this legislation actually becomes law,” Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) told MSNBC this morning.

    “We had none of that. We went straight to mark-up. No amendments could be offered in the Energy and Commerce Committee, the Ways and Means Committee, the Budget Committee,” he added. “And finally they took a manager’s amendment at the last hour to try to get people to vote for it.”

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2017/03/27/freedom-caucus-founder-bad-process-at-core-of-healthcare-bill-failure/

  785. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1787. Robbie says: “It’s just one tracking poll, but Trump’s approval dropped to 36% in Gallup today. Yikes. It’s been a rough first two months.”

    I chuckle whenever you engage in concern trolling.
    Below are some of your posts from election night.
    ____________

    Robbie says:
    November 8, 2016 at 6:06 pm

    Give me a break.

    I’m totally disappointed Clinton’s going to win and more than a few good Republicans are going to lose because of it.

    I’m even more depressed that we have to wait another four years to try and fix this. Of course, if we nominate Cruz, then we’ll have to wait until 2024.

    I’m celebrating nothing. I’m pissed.
    __________
    I’m not sure if they have any state specific data, but Mark Halperin and John Heilemann both just suggested Democrats could sweep most of the Senate races. Earlier this evening, they didn’t offer that impression.

    __________________
    Robbie says:
    November 8, 2016 at 7:17 pm
    Lord Ashcroft has the exits posted on his twitter. Basically, they show an easy Clinton win, but not a landslide.

    Robbie says:
    November 8, 2016 at 7:40 pm
    Look like a rough night, but we all knew that once Trump became the nominee.

    Robbie says:
    November 8, 2016 at 8:12 pm
    Plenty of speculation that Blount is in big trouble.

  786. NYCmike says:

    Mr. Vito asked him, I have asked him, others have asked him, he simply refuses to wait for more evidence to back up his rumor peddling.

    Ridiculous.

  787. NYCmike says:

    DCCC

  788. NYCmike says:

    From that link:

    “We know the strategy – grind out win after win, big and small, over time until the liberals are broken. It’s the tactics that Ryan has botched; he’s shown no aptitude for the basic blocking and tackling of legislating and consistently falls back on the errors of the past. Here’s how healthcare should have gone. Paully, starting the morning of November 9th, you should have orchestrated an inclusive effort to create a bill based on a consensus that incorporated every stakeholder with the ability to icepick it (the transition team, the Freedom Caucus, the squishes, the think tanks, and most vitally, the Senate). Once you had something everyone agreed on – and 216 sure votes in the House and 51 in the Senate – you all appear with the Prez in front of the cameras to announce it before you actually put out the document, thereby cementing in the narrative about why the people should dig it before the haters can hate it into little pieces. Then you pass it and win.

    But what did we get? A tactical clusterflunk. Seven years in and Ryan wasn’t ready. He putzed around with no sense of urgency until there was a sense of urgency. Who was expecting this dog’s breakfast to drop when it did? And it just dropped on us out of the blue – one day, suddenly, there’s this whole plan out there. Surprise! I listened to Hugh Hewitt the morning after it was released; he was stunned that he couldn’t get any of the Republican House leadership [sic] on his show to talk to his conservative audience about the biggest piece of legislation in Trump’s first term.”

  789. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Philly cancels Cinco de Mayo over ICE fears”

    http://www.gopusa.com/?p=22317?omhide=true

  790. Cash Cow TM says:

    SusyQue will probably ask why are there ICE fears in May…and maybe something about with global warming there should be no ICE…

  791. Tina says:

    Jebot. 1 had a bad 2016. Worst here.

  792. Trump says:

    Ryan is turning out to be a classic piece of sh$t “leader”.

    The joke is sitting on the 2015 Obamacare repeal bill which passed both chambers and was sent to Congress.

    He needs to bring that bill for vote.

  793. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Ex-Freedom Caucus member: Some members would “vote ‘no’ against the Ten Commandments if it came up for a vote”

  794. Robbie says:

    San Diego

    The exit polls were terrible and showed a trouncing. They were wrong, but do you know who referenced them as I did? The Trump campaign. Before 7:00 PM on election day, Kellyanne Conway, in response to the exit polls, was on FoxNews sniping at the Republican Party for not giving Trump enough support. They thought they had lost as well.

  795. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 27, 2017 at 3:27 pm
    Robbie says the HFC is the “take it or leave it” group.
    This guy says otherwise (I will note his district is GOP-territory):
    “They rolled it out after it was hidden away. When they rolled it out, they said it’s a binary choice, take it or leave it. Normally when you have hearings on a piece of legislation that impacts this much of our overall economy, you would bring in some witnesses and hear from some witnesses about what’s going to happen if this legislation actually becomes law,” Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) told MSNBC this morning.
    “We had none of that. We went straight to mark-up. No amendments could be offered in the Energy and Commerce Committee, the Ways and Means Committee, the Budget Committee,” he added. “And finally they took a manager’s amendment at the last hour to try to get people to vote for it.”
    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2017/03/27/freedom-caucus-founder-bad-process-at-core-of-healthcare-bill-failure/

    – It’s more than a bit comical you think Jim Jordan’s view is going to change my mind. He was a founder of the Freedom caucus and has long been a “take it or leave it” guy. He constantly tried undermine Boehner’s leadership. Jordon, as much as any member of the HFC, is really not that interested in governing.

  796. NYCmike says:

    “Ex-Freedom Caucus member: Some members would “vote ‘no’ against the Ten Commandments if it came up for a vote””

    -If he is comparing the Ten Commandments to legislation for one country in a moment in time, then the “moderates” should tell him to join the Democrats, because he is obviously NVTS!

  797. Robbie says:

    Anyone who thinks I am absolving Paul Ryan of any mistakes in the repeal process is mistaken. As was the case with his initial 2011 budget proposal, he was unprepared to make a coherent defense of what he offered. I’ve long said I fear he has a glass jaw and this was not a good moment for him.

    That said, Ryan could have offered an exceptional bill that pleased a wide range of conservatives and the HFC still would have balked. As San Diego noted, Ted Poe, a former member of the HF, said they’d vote against the 10 Commandments.

  798. NYCmike says:

    Make Jordan Speaker – then he will be exposed as not wanting to lead, or exposed as terribly short-sighted in how to bring various groups of Republicans together.

    Your continued whining about “they did this” or they did that” is tiresome. If you know this about Jordan, then Ryan and the rest should know this as well, and should devise a plan to deal with them.

    SUNLIGHT is usually a good disinfectant….hold open hearings, open forums, open discussions, and get them on record.

    Otherwise, stop spreading cr*p that can’t be verified.

  799. NYCmike says:

    ” As San Diego noted, Ted Poe, a former member of the HF, said they’d vote against the 10 Commandments.”

    -As a Catholic, you should call Poe up and tell him to stick to poetry.

  800. Thomas Cotton for President says:

    When Melania moves into the White House and has a State Dinner, Trump’s approval ratings will improve.

  801. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Got a negative impression of Paul Ryan from his debate with Biden several years ago. Biden dominated the debate while Ryan stood there dumbfounded, just sort of staring.

    Ryan comes across as a numbers cruncher, who puts his stakes down supporting his own work product and proposals, and is not very flexible and is not a good negotiator. He was not a good choice for speaker.

  802. chicon says:

    Robbie is a lot like Trump – he makes bold statements that are rife with exaggeration and half-truths, and then gets quiet when asked for details.

  803. Bitterlaw says:

    I am sorry that I have been pretty quiet the last few days. My day job kept me busy.

    GFY.

  804. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 27, 2017 at 5:55 pm
    Robbie is a lot like Trump – he makes bold statements that are rife with exaggeration and half-truths, and then gets quiet when asked for details.

    – Yeah, my 12 year history here is proof I shy away from a fight.

    On the other hand, you attacked me for misrepresenting an article you clearly didn’t even read even though I used direct quotes. Your meager defense was something about the sub-headline.

  805. NYCmike says:

    “– Yeah, my 12 year history here is proof I shy away from a fight.”

    -A fight?

    Only millenials (and MD) “fight” on an internet blog. Real men and women discuss issues, and then when all else fails, wish the other party well…G(ood)F(or)Y(ou)!

  806. NYCmike says:

    “you attacked me”

    -Hello?

    “CG”, Author, Robbie is looking to get into your hide-away.

  807. NYCmike says:

    Nice find, jason.

    What else has that guy written?

  808. Robbie says:

    Politico has posted a story tonight suggesting Gorsuch’s path to 60 votes to break a filibuster is narrowing and he likely won’t reach the 60 mark.

    We’ll see what happens, but I do wonder if Schumer and the gang are just trying to see if Republicans have the votes to nuke. If they realize Republicans do have the votes, they’ll probably back down. Probably.

    I put the chances Democrats launch a filibuster at 40%.

  809. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    817. Quote from the article:

    “Everyone who is saying “just repeal it” and “where’s the bill from last year” has to remember that. Trump understands it’s a negotiation, and a couple of days after he said “take it or leave it” he said “I’m willing to negotiate with the Democrats if I have to.”

    So everyone, including the Freedom Caucus, everyone who is a Republican and not in the Freedom Caucus, and Paul Ryan, and Donald Trump, need to put on their big boy pants and figure out what they really want. And remember, Trump partisans, that Trump has no commitment and no loyalty to the Republican Party.”

  810. Cash Cow TM says:

    Bitter mad DRUDGE headline

    “Bitter GOP finger-pointing clouds path for Trump agenda”

  811. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    823. “but I do wonder if Schumer and the gang are just trying to see if Republicans have the votes to nuke”

    If Gorsuch was blocked, and Trump leaves the seat vacant, cannot see a better issue for the Republicans to use to defeat Democratic senators in conservative states in 2018. Vote Republican, get Gorsuch approved, and avoid a liberal take-over of the Supreme Court. Preserve the Second Amendment, etc.

  812. Tina says:

    Republican files one sentence bill,to repeal obumblercare.

    Perfect, that should have been the start.

  813. Robbie says:

    Here we go again. Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan have signaled they oppose a key part of Paul Ryan’s ambitious tax reform plan, the border adjustment tax. Whether someone likes the border adjustment tax or not, that’s not the key issue.

    The key issue is Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan don’t think tax reform needs to be revenue neutral. Well, that sounds great, except in order to qualify for Senate reconciliation, the bill must be revenue neutral.

    Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan are either stupid and don’t understand the limits of reconciliation, or they’re just trying to be jerks who want to stick a shiv in Ryan’s side. I think it’s probably a bit of both.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-27/ryan-s-tax-plan-may-get-familiar-foes-gop-s-conservative-caucus

  814. Robbie says:

    The HFC may be ready to do battle on funding the government. If a deal isn’t cut by April 28, the government will shut down. That would be a catastrophe for Trump and Republicans.

    The story notes many in the HFC don’t want to see a shutdown, but Planned Parenthood funding or fund for part of the border wall may be sticking points.

    http://ijr.com/2017/03/833390-gop-grapples-ahca-lawmakers-wonder-theyre-headed-toward-government-shutdown/

  815. Tina says:

    Strange the hfc indicated that they were for the border adj. tax

    They need fiscal stimulus and need to get moving.

  816. Robbie says:

    It’s not surprising Mo Brooks was the author of the one sentence repeal bill of Obamacare. That’s about the extent of his literary abilities.

  817. Tina says:

    ? H.J.Res. 37, which nullifies the Department of Defense, the General Services Administration, and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration’s Federal Acquisition Regulation: Fair Pay and Safe Workplaces;

    ? H.J.Res. 44, which nullifies the Department of the Interior’s Bureau of Land Management’s final rule relating to resource management planning;

    ? H.J.Res. 57, which nullifies the Department of Education’s rule relating to State accountability requirements under the Every Student Succeeds Act; and

    ? H.J.Res. 58, which nullifies the Department of Education’s rule relating to assessing the quality of teacher preparation programs.

    These were repealed today by trump.

  818. Tina says:

    So, these were regulation reversals that passed congress.

  819. chicon says:

    So, Robbie, only two possibilities, eh? How about they are legislating in a manner consistent with their beliefs, what they ran on, and/or what their electorate wants?

    No way. Can’t be, they’re either stupid or crooked. Those are the ONLY two possibilities….

  820. Tina says:

    So, re the overly complicated hc bill that failed, it would appear that ohases two and three would have required legislative action and the presidents ok, contrary to the macaca posted here.

  821. Tina says:

    Another big day

    Ford to invest in 3 mi plants.

    The jebots would have prefered that these plants be shipped out of country.

  822. chicon says:

    Can’t be Tina, we’ve been informed here that this was an excellent bill and phases two and three would have been no problem. Actually, we’ve read that the only reason it isn’t off to the Senate now is because the HFC is simply out to injure the speaker or doesn’t know the rules of the Senate (they must not read the news).

  823. Tina says:

    Chicon, they forgot to mention that some senate rs, you know their names, the so called moderates, were objecting to the bill.

    So, imo, real conservatives and not so conservative rs, objected and defeated the bill.

  824. biomom says:

    826

    Gorsuch gets confirmed now or the Rs lose big in 2018.

  825. chicon says:

    I suspect many republicans didn’t like the bill, and some were willing to vote in favor of a bad bill to support either Ryan or Trump, or to be able to say they did what they promised (even if that is questionable). The HFC wasn’t. Probably at least three Senators, too.

  826. Trump says:

    Nobody was willing to put his name to the turd of the ryancare bill. That is why they pulled it at the last minute. Over 200 reps were going to vote against it.

    Politicians read polls. 17 percent has a way of concentrating the mind.

  827. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 27, 2017 at 9:05 pm
    So, Robbie, only two possibilities, eh? How about they are legislating in a manner consistent with their beliefs, what they ran on, and/or what their electorate wants?

    No way. Can’t be, they’re either stupid or crooked. Those are the ONLY two possibilities….

    – Their beliefs can be boiled down to one statement. It’s their way or the highway. That’s been their game plan since the Freedom Caucus was founded in January 2015 and it was their game plan dating all the way back to the debt ceiling fight in July 2011.

  828. Robbie says:

    biomom says:
    March 27, 2017 at 9:27 pm
    826

    Gorsuch gets confirmed now or the Rs lose big in 2018.

    – Yep.

  829. Trump says:

    F off, knew coc-sucker. Take your Jeb se men lunacy elsewhere.

    Here’s what my GOP congress critter, a standard issue Ryan bootlickr, had to say, “after listening to my constituents, business leaders and medical professionals throughout my district, I cannot support the AHCA.”

    GOP lost because people burned up the phones against the.ryan turd. 17 percent support, retard.

  830. Trump says:

    If this retarded monkey’s direction, GOP would still be reeling from Jeb’s electoral wipeout.

    Think about that.

  831. chicon says:

    So, Robbie doubles down on dumb…. Either stupid or crooked, no other reason they’d oppose the bill. Now they have no principles, yet it is their way or the highway.

  832. Trump says:

    Here’s a simple equation for the GOP: repeal Obamacare, or lose congress in 2018.

    It’s not rocket science.

  833. Tina says:

    Yeah, if the rs fail on gorsuch and with the failure over the hc debacle, the rs could be in twubble in 2018. No perfromance.

  834. Trump says:

    If anybody had listened to the coc-sucker, they’d still be trying to figure out how Jeb lost by 538 electoral votes.

  835. Tina says:

    An argument coukd be that it was ryans way or the highway.

    He locked out rand paul and other senators from viewing it. There is open confusion about phases 2 and 3.

  836. Trump says:

    150m for 3 delegates.

    That is what this retarded monkey lives for.

  837. Tina says:

    What i am saying is that the bill overall was terrible. It coukd have and should have been a lot better.

    Ryan pulled a piglosi 2.0. You need to pass the bill to see what is in it. That was a big no no.

  838. chicon says:

    I think maybe we should wait until they screw up the Supreme Court nomination before the freakout begins.

  839. Trump says:

    Ha ha jar har

    Phase 2 and phase 3.

    Pure comedy gold.

    If there were phases 2 and 3, it would be in phase 1 bill. With time phase.

  840. chicon says:

    Good points, Tina. Plenty of evidence that the Speaker was more inflexible than the knuckle-draggers.

  841. Trump says:

    phase 2?

    Right after the “enforcement phase” of the 1986 Reagan immigration act.

    Any day now.

  842. Tina says:

    The whole phases 1-3 were stupid.

    Disapponted in trump for going there

  843. Tina says:

    More timely tweets from trump

    Why isn’t the House Intelligence Committee looking into the Bill & Hillary deal that allowed big Uranium to go to Russia, Russian speech….

    money to Bill, the Hillary Russian “reset,” praise of Russia by Hillary, or Podesta Russian Company. Trump Russia story is a hoax. #MAGA!

  844. PresidentPaul! says:

    ‘Rare pepes” taking over as official currency of Venzuela thanks to the bus driver president.

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/03/27/venezuelans-using-rare-pepes-bitcoin-currency

    “This is due to a creation of artificial scarcity in the cards (as one would expect trading cards to have). Anyone can issue their own rare Pepes, but these are then verified by the official Rare Pepe Foundation, and linked to a certain piece of the bitcoin chain via a practice known as coin colouring. Whomsoever owns that particular bitcoin key address owns the Pepe associated with it. All verified rare Pepes can be viewed in a complete directory of them.”

  845. Phil says:

    Hard politically for Trump and the Republican Party to lose on a bill like the proposed healthcare bill.

    On the other hand, the bill stunk.

  846. PresidentPaul! says:

    “Rare Pepe trading cards have started replacing currency in Venezuela, where communism ruined the economy.”

    https://heatst.com/gaming/in-tanking-venezuelan-economy-people-are-using-rare-pepe-digital-trading-cards-as-currency/?utm_content=buffer046d1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    Will Venezuela be the first country to officially recognize Kekistan?

  847. PresidentPaul! says:

    #860

    Trump and Ryan arbitrarily said they weren’t going to work on an Obamacare repeal anymore for no reason either even though there hasn’t been a repeal vote yet and even though Ryan’s bill that was defeated would have cemented Obamacare forever.

    Ryan is liar and Trump is being foolish.

  848. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IrGq_yyMeg

    National Anthem of Kekistan should inspire republicans to keep up the fight against Paul Ryan.

  849. Donald J Trump says:

    I’m going to sign an executive order to get rid of Obama’s “Clean Power Plan.” We need to get back to using the power that made America great in the first place. Gas Power, Coal Power, White Power, Electric Power…

  850. MichiganGuy says:

    Wow

    SCHOOL BUDGET CUTS DUE TO HIGH WHITE STUDENT PERCENTAGE SPARKS OUTRAGE

    http://abc7.com/education/race-based-school-budget-cuts-spark-outrage-in-noho/1818792/

  851. Phil says:

    Penalty for white priviledge.

  852. PresidentPaul! says:

    Yes but woman voters are prone to dumb voting for Obama/Clinton so at least when education stuff gets involved sometimes they vote for Trump.

  853. PresidentPaul! says:

    SWEDEN’S “FEMINIST” LEADER SAYS FOREIGN RAPISTS SHOULD NOT BE DEPORTED
    Because white Swedes are not deported

    https://www.infowars.com/swedens-feminist-leader-says-foreign-rapists-should-not-be-deported

    – But white (ethnic) Swedes who are jailed for serious crimes are not deported. We should have a consistent policy, says Victoria Kawesa, and points out that the most important thing is that a criminal is convicted for the crime.

  854. Cash Cow TM says:

    GET UP sleepyheads!

    We’re burning daylight here.
    (whatever that means)

  855. Bitterlaw says:

    James Harris Jackson? I’m always a little suspicious of people who go by three names. John Wilkes Booth. John Wayne Gacy. Lee Harvey Oswald.

    http://nypost.com/2017/03/27/white-supremacist-pelted-with-threats-by-angry-prisoners/

    After watching Cops, I am also leary of guys who walk around town without wearing any shirt.

  856. dblaikie says:

    After the turmoil of the election I took a 5 month break. It is good to see a lot of familiar folks posting. In that vein, hello bitter, hopes things are going ok with you and your family.

  857. Wes says:

    It looks as if Gillespie will cruise to the GOP nomination while Northam and Periello will duke it out according to a new poll. This will help Gillespie. If he wins in November, thus offsetting the guaranteed GOP loss in the Sewer State of New Jersey, that will indicate Republicans aren’t heading for a bad year in 2018 and may lure strong Republican candidates into competitive House, Senate, and gubernatorial races for the midterm.

  858. Wes says:

    Reppublicans have gained congressional seats in each President’s first midterm since 1994. From that, I conclude it’s Dems’ turn to make gains in the House at least. As it stands, I see little chance currently the House flips and no chance at Republicans fail to make gains in the Senate given the current makeup of the Class One seats. That Ann Wagner, Rick Scott, and Kevin Cramer all but in the respective Senate races in their ststes bolsters my optimistic view of the upcoming Senate elections.

  859. Robbie says:

    Given the cracks that have quickly formed in the Republican caucus, it’s entirely possible the only accomplishments for Trump in 2017 are Gorsuch and a modest tax cut.

    I’m not predicting a legislative meltdown, but the House, especially, needs to get its act together. The HFC needs to accept reality and the moderates need to stop running scared.

    James Pethokoukis?
     @JimPethokoukis 4h
    4 hours ago

    GOLDMAN: “Ultimately, we expect tax legislation to look more like a tax cut, with a few elements of reform”

  860. Robbie says:

    Wes

    I tentatively agree with your view on the Senate, but I don’t share your view on the House right now. I’m not saying you will be wrong, but they can’t seem to get their act together. On top of that, Trump’s approval rating is going to be the key. Usually, no other measure more accurately reflects midterm performance than presidential job approval, right?

  861. Trump says:

    Shut up, retard monkey.

    Do you know anything?

  862. Trump says:

    “HFC needs to accept reality…”

    The reality is 17 percent support for Ryancare, as-wipe.

    “…moderates need to stop running scared.”

    Then they won’t be moderates, would they? Ryan had to pull the bill to hide the moderates. He didn’t do it to hide HFC.

  863. Robbie says:

    Mike DeBonis?
    @mikedebonis 8m

    MEADOWS leaving conference: ‘I don’t think we need to go home until…we get a solution done.’

    Mike DeBonis?
    @mikedebonis 8m

    Meadows said he had talked briefly with Tom MacArthur, a Tues Group co chair, about fixes.

    Mike DeBonis?
    @mikedebonis 7m

    A sobering note: asked Dave Brat what HFC was willing to do this week they wouldn’t do last week, and he came up empty.

    Mike DeBonis?
    @mikedebonis

    This isn’t gonna work if everyone compromises except the HFC.

  864. Phil says:

    Schumer rudely goes off on couple in NYC restraint for voting for Trump. Even followed them outside the restraint to berate.

    These fools can’t even control their derangement out in public.

  865. Wes says:

    Usually, Robbie, but Republicans downballot have polled better than Trump. Also, the seeds for midterm victories tend to be sown in special elections. Democrats are looking at winning none of those from the GOP and may not even come close in GA-6, where they seem best poised to make headway.

    If the GOP wins VA-Gov while losing, as essentially guaranteed, in NJ, then there will be no driving narrative for the Dems to latch onto going into next November. Picking up NJ is a given. Losing a high-profile governorship in a state Trump actually lost ground from Romney’s 2012 performance in–and where no Republican has won statewide in eight years–would seem to me to indicate Dems aren’t making their case as an opposition party ready to govern.

  866. Trump says:

    Seeds of losing majorities are sown by broken promises.

  867. Trump says:

    Who the f is mike debonair? Another twitterer with 1 follower the Jeb coc-sucker.

  868. Trump says:

    Why would HFC change anything? Let Ryan sell his cra-pola to the public first. 17 percent support.

  869. Wes says:

    That’s one reason I think Americans don’t trust Democrats to govern, Phil. John McCormack, Carl Albert, Mike Mansfield, Tip O’Neill, Jim Wright, Robert Byrd, George Mitchell, and Tom Foley maay have despised the Republican Presidents serving during their tenures running the House and Senate, but they kept their disdain muted and never gave the opposition talking points to use against them.

    Schumer is the most powerful Democrat in the country and publicly savages a supporter of the sitting President in an incredibly puerile way.

    Who outside the moonbats wants these clowns in power?

  870. NYCmike says:

    “Schumer rudely goes off on couple in NYC restraint for voting for Trump. Even followed them outside the restraint to berate.”

    -Phil,

    Where was this? Do you have a link?

    It’s always fun to heckle that hack at parades…..

  871. Robbie says:

    Wes

    After 2016, I’m not going to dismiss out of hand anything you write. If the House could get its act together and pass a few substantive things, I’d feel better. Feels like their spinning their wheels in mud right now. If Trump can get his approval rating to 45% or higher, I think things will look much better.

  872. chicon says:

    Robbie sez it ain’t gonna work if everyone compromises except the HFC. Actually, it ain’t gonna work if they don’t get the HFC to agree. Trump and Ryan need them to get something passed, no? So, the HFC has the juice….

  873. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/846487015331893248

    -One Senator from Texas maintains that Obamacare repeal MUST be done, the other does NOT…..guess who is waffling…….one more reason that Texas should have elected Dewhurst as Senator, him and Cornyn would have agree so much more./

  874. NYCmike says:

    Thanks, Wes.

  875. chicon says:

    Robbie – still waiting for evidence. What did the establishment give? What did the HFC give? What were the sides asked to give that they wouldn’t? People have asked you to back up your statements, but you don’t.

  876. NYCmike says:

    Someone should have gotten that on video…

  877. NYCmike says:

    “but you don’t.”

    -“Maggie” at the NY TIMES hasn’t tweeted the evidence yet.

  878. NYCmike says:

    “What did the establishment give? What did the HFC give? What were the sides asked to give that they wouldn’t?”

    -scooterboy,

    If you are around, can you start a list of questions which will NOT get answered any time soon? Here are a couple good ones to start off with.

  879. Robbie says:

    Again, the things that will please the HFC are the very things that will kill any bill with the Tuesday Group and with the Senate. The HFC operates in an alternate reality where their view is the only view that can succeed/survive. Until they learn to accept 80% of what they want, they will continue to be seen as a group that can never say “yes”.

  880. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 28, 2017 at 10:43 am
    “but you don’t.”
    -“Maggie” at the NY TIMES hasn’t tweeted the evidence yet.

    – If Maggie Habermann is not worth listening to, why was she one of the two reporters Trump personally called Friday to get out his spin on why the healthcare bill failed?

  881. NYCmike says:

    “Again,”

    -No evidence, just conjecture.

  882. NYCmike says:

    “Maggie” works at the NY Times. She will be quoted in every newspaper and tv station across the land.

    Trump knows something about getting his message out, doesn’t he?

  883. Gelt Goose says:

    Honk.

  884. Robbie says:

    hicon says:
    March 28, 2017 at 10:42 am
    Robbie – still waiting for evidence. What did the establishment give? What did the HFC give? What were the sides asked to give that they wouldn’t? People have asked you to back up your statements, but you don’t.

    – Ryan, at the request of Trump, acquiesced to the HFC’s demand to get rid of essential health benefits. After making that deal, the HFC then can back the next day and said that wasn’t enough and wanted more.

  885. NYCmike says:

    CM

  886. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 28, 2017 at 10:49 am
    “Maggie” works at the NY Times. She will be quoted in every newspaper and tv station across the land.
    Trump knows something about getting his message out, doesn’t he?

    – That’s all you’ve got? He could have called anyone at the NYT, but he choose Maggie Habermann because he has long used her as a conduit to get his side of the story out. She conducted multiple interviews with him during the 2016 campaign. The only person who came as close as Habermann was Robert Costa who Trump also personally called on Friday after the health bill was pulled.

    Habermann and Costa know Trump and Trump world. They are to listened to.

  887. chicon says:

    Robbie says:
    March 28, 2017 at 10:45 am

    Again, the things that will please the HFC are the very things that will kill any bill with the Tuesday Group and with the Senate. The HFC operates in an alternate reality where their view is the only view that can succeed/survive. Until they learn to accept 80% of what they want, they will continue to be seen as a group that can never say “yes”.

    And Ryan and Trump will continue to have a legislative zero on the scoreboard, no?

  888. Robbie says:

    My mistake. It’s Haberman, not Habermann.

  889. chicon says:

    Robbie sez “he choose Maggie Habermann because he has long used her as a conduit to get his side of the story out.”

    And his side of the story is always totally accurate, eh? You don’t believe much the guy says, unless he’s hammering the HFC.

  890. Barrett says:

    Trump Approval:

    RCP Avg: Approve: 42.1% Disapprove 52.1%
    538 Avg: Approve” 41.8% Disapprove 52.3%

    If anyone was expecing the HGF, Republican Moderates, and Liberal Progressives to agree on a bill with 17% support, guess again.

  891. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 28, 2017 at 10:55 am
    Robbie says:
    March 28, 2017 at 10:45 am
    Again, the things that will please the HFC are the very things that will kill any bill with the Tuesday Group and with the Senate. The HFC operates in an alternate reality where their view is the only view that can succeed/survive. Until they learn to accept 80% of what they want, they will continue to be seen as a group that can never say “yes”.
    And Ryan and Trump will continue to have a legislative zero on the scoreboard, no?

    – I think it’s a real possibility we end 2017 with no legislative accomplishments.

    The HFC has said tax reform doesn’t need to be revenue neutral, but that violates reconciliation and means the bill would be filibustered in the Senate.

    The HFC is also opposed to a large infrastructure bill. If that get’s gummed up in the House as well, Neil Gorsuch might be the only accomplishment of 2017.

  892. Barrett says:

    sorry, the HFC, not the HGF

  893. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 28, 2017 at 10:58 am
    Robbie sez “he choose Maggie Habermann because he has long used her as a conduit to get his side of the story out.”
    And his side of the story is always totally accurate, eh? You don’t believe much the guy says, unless he’s hammering the HFC.

    – That wasn’t the point of the post. NYCMike has said we should pay no attention to Haberman. I say we should pay attention to what she writes and tweets because she clearly has very good sources inside Trump world.

  894. NYCmike says:

    “NYCMike has said we should pay no attention to Haberman.”

    -I have NOT said this at all.

    What I have said, repeatedly, is that posting her information minutes after she puts it out there, WITH ZERO VERIFICATION, is silly and short-sighted, as the last months-year has shown.

    As with all of your sources, instead of posting them right away, wait a day or two to see if it checks out.

  895. chicon says:

    Trump and Ryan need the HFC more than the HFC needs them. The individual HFC members are more likely to survive in their districts (some individual exceptions, of course) than Ryan and Trump. The Speaker and the Prez must get some stuff done. The current hammering of the HFC is an attempt to soften their positions, but as time goes on the establishment is going to have to reach out to the HFC.

    As a start, how about they include the HFC as partners from the beginning of the process? Also, maybe have real hearings?

  896. Robbie says:

    The HFC has never shown a willingness to negotiate in good faith. They come to a negotiation with the terms they want and will not agree to anything unless their terms are fully met. And when certain demands are met, they come back the next day, move the goalposts, and demand more. That’s exactly what they did on healthcare. They wanted essential benefits removed, got that concession, and then came back the next day and wanted more.

    Now, the HFC is setting the stage to scuttle tax reform because they want to ignore the rules that will qualify tax reform for Senate reconciliation. If they don’t want to be seen as intransigent, they need to show a willingness to give a little. They never have. And frankly, I think they’d be fine if Republicans lost the House because it would get rid of Ryan.

  897. chicon says:

    Robbie here to whine again, which does nobody any good. I get that he hates the HFC and REALLY want them to be different than he thinks they are. Trump’s trying to change their behavior by blasting them. But if Robbie is right, they’re not going to change. So, Robbie, you have two choices – whine about it, or come up with a plan to deal with them as they exist. Trump and Ryan CANNOT go two years without major legislation and then hope to be electorally successful blaming the HFC for the lack of activity.

    So, what would you do if you were in the shoes of Ryan and Trump? Remember, no legislation is not an option….

  898. NYCmike says:

    Robbie keeps avoiding the questions.

    If the discussions were open, honest, and in public, the HFC would have nowhere to “hide”.

    BUT, they have NOT.

    And there has been no coordinated information campaign, despite having 7 years to plan.

  899. NYCmike says:

    “As a start, how about they include the HFC as partners from the beginning of the process? Also, maybe have real hearings?”

    -Is any member part of the House Leadership team?

  900. chicon says:

    Mike – this avoiding the questions and not acknowledging facts that go against his position is one of the reasons Robbie resembles a concern troll.

    Credit to him, though, he’s an excellent concern troll. Also, worry warts do make good pilots because they’re always looking out and planning for doom. So, I’d be happy to fly on his plane.

  901. chicon says:

    I’m not sure if any HFC people are part of leadership. I did hear several HFC members complain about having the health care bill sprung on them with a “take it or leave it” mentality. Whether that’s true or not, I don’t know.

    As an aside, I do think the HFC should take 80% to make a deal. What is unknown – and what Robbie has no facts on – is whether they were offered 80%, or less. If I were Trump/Ryan, I’d publicly put them in charge of crafting the tax reform bill and getting enough votes to pass it. Give them some ownership.

  902. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 28, 2017 at 11:39 am
    Robbie keeps avoiding the questions.
    If the discussions were open, honest, and in public, the HFC would have nowhere to “hide”.
    BUT, they have NOT.
    And there has been no coordinated information campaign, despite having 7 years to plan.

    – This is just spin offered by the HFC. They were never going to vote for anything that was placed in front of them. It didn’t matter if there had been hearings for 10 months. They were voting no because the only thing they would accept was complete repeal.

    Ted Poe, a founding member of the HFC, said this very thing yesterday.

  903. Robbie says:

    The HFC struck a deal on essential health benefits. Ryan caved on that issue, but the HFC came back the next day and wanted more. They were clearly offered more than 80%. Mark Meadows even said if he thought we could get a phase 3, he thought phase 1 was really good. In the end, the HFC wanted things it knew could not be accomplished in reconciliation.

  904. Phil says:

    The bill sucked.

    The Republicans did a crappy job of handling the bill.

    Both are true.

  905. chicon says:

    Agreeing on one issue in a bill that achieved 17% approval (which means that the vast majority of Republicans and Independents didn’t like it) is 80%? It is the HFC’s fault that NOBODY liked the bill that the establishment came up with? Seems like the HFC agreed with 83% of the population, yet they’re the unreasonable ones? Such logic….

    Still awaiting your advice to Trump and Ryan based one the current lay of the land…. I’m sure we’ll continue to wait.

  906. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 28, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    Still awaiting your advice to Trump and Ryan based one the current lay of the land…. I’m sure we’ll continue to wait.

    – Here’s my advice for Trump.

    1. Focus on tax reform. It’s a bipartisan topic and Trump can probably find a way to get some Democrats on board since even they feel it’s needed. It wouldn’t be as conservative as some people might prefer, but it would keep the HFC from having the power to scuttle the deal.

    2. Infrastructure – It’s a topic Trump cares about a lot and it’s another area where he can work with Democrats. If he does it now, it puts people to work, gooses the economy, and the benefits will start to be felt in Spring 2018 just when people are starting to make their minds up about the elections.

    3. Professionalize his White House staff – None of the top level advisors have ever worked in a White House. He needs to bring in people who understand how to run the building and work with Congress. Just as an example, he could hire Josh Bolton. He served as GWB’s CoS and quickly brought order to a White House that had gone off the rails in 2005 and 2006. he made his money at Goldman Sach’s so Trump will probably respect him.

    4. Replace Reince Priebus as Chief of Staff – I thought Priebus would be a good choice to keep the machinery working, but he’s in over his head. Trump doesn’t respect him and key positions remain unfilled. The immigration EO and healthcare were flops as well and he took the lead on each. A stronger personality is needed in that job.

    5. Send Steve Bannon to a Super Pac – This won’t happen, but Bannon has been involved in politics since August 2016. That was seven months ago and none of his strategy since January 20 has really worked. He describes himself as a Leninist and it’s not a productive vision.

    6. Let Mitch McConnell do all of the negotiating on key bills. He knows how to cut deals that are beneficial to republicans. Ryan is not a negotiator.

    7. Stop using Twitter.

  907. chicon says:

    Robbie – that is 7 points that don’t answer the questions, except for one tidbit about taxes. The exercise it to acknowledge the situation at hand and provide possibilities on how to achieve legislative success. The dems are gonna demand a serious win to help Trump – so much that it will demoralize the people that elected Trump. Perhaps the only exception is on the infrastructure bill. Why will the dems make such high demands? Because they’ll say “if you don’t like this deal, go back and work with the HFC.” He’s gonna have to deal with the HFC as they currently exist. That is what needs expert advice at this point – what say you?

  908. chicon says:

    Also, Robbie – how is it that the HFC was being unreasonable on the health care bill when 80%+ of the population agree with them?

  909. NYCmike says:

    “– This is just spin offered by the HFC.”

    -I don’t know about the HFC and their opinion of the communication skills of the Republican House leadership.

    I DO KNOW that NADA was said about the health care plans until those couple of days before the bill was dropped, when Rand Paul was “grandstanding” outside of the guarded door.

    This is a No Spin Zone, as I am prone to dizziness. 🙂

  910. NYCmike says:

    “7. Stop using Twitter.”

    -Terrible advice.

    “Maggie” will get the information out, especially the reports NOT given directly by Trump.

    You know, the reports from “White House sources”……which tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth…..

  911. Trump says:

    Here’s what the Jeb coc-sucker’s advice is worth:

    Less than horse shi$

  912. Trump says:

    The retarded monkey loves 17 % support.

  913. Trump says:

    The fuc$ing morons in the GOP should be down on their knees sucking HFC’s nuts.

    17 percent support. Keep thinking about that.

  914. Trump says:

    The Jeb coc-sucker is pure evil. Not just stupid, as proven time and again.

  915. chicon says:

    Poster Trump – you have a way with words.

  916. Trump says:

    For a quarter, here’s my take on Ryan. He should be given a Rubik’s cube to play with, he can crunch to heart’s content.

    The guy is poison in any leadership position. Hasn’t Donne a thing in his life except suck at government teat.

  917. Trump says:

    Ryan is not just poison, but an incompetent poison.

  918. chicon says:

    Just saw Ryan on Fox News. He says the door is not closed on health care and that all factions continue to talk. Seems compromise is in the air. Robbie to say it is baloney in 3…2….1….

  919. NYCmike says:

    “baloney”

    -I prefer B O L O G N A .

  920. chicon says:

    Do you like you bologna on a sandwich or a sammich?

  921. EML says:

    I prefer bologna in the garbage where it belongs.

  922. Waingro says:

    Ooph. Did Barry ever get to 36% approval in Gallup? Yikes.

  923. NYCmike says:

    I like my bologna rolled up, like a little telescope, because I can see the future……usually a bellyache.

  924. Robbie says:

    The HFC refuses to say yes to anything and, honestly, they aren’t interested in governing. That was apparent long before the healthcare bill came along. In July 2011, many of those who now form the core of the HFC were happy to see no resolution to the debt ceiling. Their main agenda item is little more than to embarrass the leadership of the Republican Party in the House.

    Given that, it’s not surprising the radio host and the hard right interest groups are supportive of them. All three benefit from anger and rage. If problems actually move closer towards solutions, the energy that fuels the HFC, the radio hosts, and the hard right interest groups fades away. And that means no money to fill the coffers.

    So you’ll forgive me if I little use for groups and people who support disruptive candidates/politicians who have ZERO chance of winning anything other than the praise of Mark Levin or Club for Growth. If it weren’t for the hard right, their pie-in-the-sky positions, and their dead ender candidates, Republicans have at least five more Senate seats. Angle, Buck, COD, Mourdock, and Akin were each hard right darlings, just as the HFC is now, and they did nothing more than help the Democrats.

  925. NYCmike says:

    “Their main agenda item is little more than to embarrass the leadership of the Republican Party in the House.”

    -Yup, their “main agenda”.

  926. NYCmike says:

    Robbie has pictures of Robert Michel and Robert Dole up on his wall.

    Great men, terrible legislative leaders.

  927. NYCmike says:

    Mark Levin mentioned again by Robbie….. 🙂

  928. Waingro says:

    I see Robbie footing the blame solely on the HFC and nothing on the numerous “moderate” GOP’rs (many of who refused to go on the record) who were against this bill from the left from the very beginning.

    Lots of blame to go around on this miserable fail of a healthcare reform effort.

  929. Robbie says:

    Lindsey Graham told Hugh Hewitt this morning he’s worried a couple of Republican Senators might balk at changing the rules to confirm Gorsuch if the Democrats filibuster.

    http://www.hughhewitt.com/wp-content/uploads/03-28hhs-graham.mp3

  930. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 28, 2017 at 2:56 pm
    Robbie has pictures of Robert Michel and Robert Dole up on his wall.
    Great men, terrible legislative leaders.

    – Totally stupid thing to say, but consider the course.

  931. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    March 28, 2017 at 3:11 pm
    I see Robbie footing the blame solely on the HFC and nothing on the numerous “moderate” GOP’rs (many of who refused to go on the record) who were against this bill from the left from the very beginning.
    Lots of blame to go around on this miserable fail of a healthcare reform effort.

    – Trump and Ryan acquiesced to the HFC’s request on essential health benefits. In the end, that wasn’t good enough for HFC, but it cost them the moderates.

    There’s plenty of blame to go around, but this is what the HFC does. They gum up the works unless they get 100% of what they want.

  932. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 28, 2017 at 2:54 pm
    “Their main agenda item is little more than to embarrass the leadership of the Republican Party in the House.”
    -Yup, their “main agenda”.

    – Other than, as Hugh Hewitt put it, legislative UFO’s, yes that seems to be their main driver.

  933. Waingro says:

    “Lindsey Graham told Hugh Hewitt this morning he’s worried a couple of Republican Senators might balk at changing the rules to confirm Gorsuch if the Democrats filibuster.”

    Cue the “Uh oh” Allahpundit concern troll post on that one. Right up his alley.

  934. Waingro says:

    UGH. And, of course. Steam roll him, McConnell.

    Chad Pergram?Verified account @ChadPergram

    McCain on changing Senate precedent to confirm Gorsuch: I’m concerned about nuclear option.

  935. Robbie says:

    Debbie Stabenow announced she will filibuster Gorsuch. Barring some unforeseen miracle, Gorsuch will not get to 60 votes. McConnell said today Gorsuch will be confirmed on April 7. If any Republicans balk, it will rip apart the Republican Party in a way few things can.

  936. Waingro says:

    #953, Lindsey Graham said he supports nuking it for Gorsuch. Where do Collins and Murkowski stand? Can Pence be a tie breaking vote when it comes to nuking via a change in Senate Rules?

  937. Robbie says:

    954

    Collins and Murkowski have both suggested they will nuke the filibuster. Let’s see what happens at the moment of truth. I have a slight fear Republicans are blustering hoping to scare Democrats.

    And yes, Pence can break a tie.

  938. chicon says:

    As a man who loves to be concerned, Robbie is really in his element!

  939. Barrett says:

    I want to see how John Tester and Joe Manchin vote on Gorsuch.

    I don’t think we will see a tie. But I am certain we will see a filibuster.

    Gorsuch will be nominated, barring any horrible revelations about his personal or political history.

  940. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 28, 2017 at 3:34 pm
    As a man who loves to be concerned, Robbie is really in his element!

    – And as a defender of the HFC, you’re a man who clearly loves a losing battle.

  941. chicon says:

    Turkey neck seems really confident about Gorsuch. Said he’ll be confirmed next Friday, not “we’ve scheduled the vote”. Very likely he knows where each Senator stands on the Gorsuch vote and nuking the filibuster.

    I remain of the opinion that Chucky would be better off waiting for the next Justice – any skittish (aka, the Robbie) Republicans would be less likely to nuke if it is to replace Ginsburg with a knuckle dragger.

  942. Robbie says:

    Manchin has already said he opposes a filibuster. As for Tester, he’ll wait and see what Schumer does. Schumer will, almost certainly, allow his most vulnerable to vote against the filibuster, but make sure the total is less than 60.

    My guess is Manchin, Donnelly, McCaskill, Heitkamp, and maybe Tester will vote against the filibuster. Otherwise, the rest will filibuster.

  943. chicon says:

    Robbie – two things can be true at once – the HFC can be too dogmatic and rigid; and be right in this case.

    Maybe you could explain how it is obstructionist to be on the side of 83% of the population? You’re hatred of the HFC makes it tough for you to analyze.

  944. chicon says:

    Chucky will allow seven senators to vote against the filibuster.

  945. Trump says:

    This fuc&tard loves anything that has 17 percent support.

    Or even less, in case of that Jeb disaster.

    In real world, HFC is what saved the GOP to live another day.

  946. NYCmike says:

    Robbie says the HFC is “all-or-nothing”.

    BUT, Robbie can’t admit that in some cases, they might be right.

    So Robbie is “all-or-nothing”, just like his beloved HFC.

    Takes one to know one, I guess.

  947. chicon says:

    Well played, Mike.

  948. NYCmike says:

    Those Republican Senators unwilling to confirm S C justices due to the filibuster – I wonder how many posters here would be willing to primary those members.

    My belief is an office-holder should be prepared every year for a primary battle.

  949. Robbie says:

    No one is talking about the two speech rule, but there is an argument it can work. It would probably take a long time though.

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/02/07/heres-republicans-can-confirm-supreme-court-nominees-without-killing-filibuster/

  950. chicon says:

    Looks like some positive momentum on health care.

    “While GOP lawmakers are keeping most of the details tight lip, it appears that Paul Ryan is making sure the House Freedom Caucus is on board before he announces the bill is ready for a vote again.”

    http://www.redstate.com/mwalsh8/2017/03/28/republicans-plot-second-attempt-to-repeal-obamacare-look-who-is-leading-charge/

    Ranting Robbie to appear in moments…

  951. NYCmike says:

    chicon,

    I don’t understand the unwillingness to look at each faction involved and evaluate their performance.

    I don’t doubt the HFC is stubborn and dogmatic.

    I also realize that the effort at communicating how the health care bill would progress was absolutely terrible, IF there was actually an effort to communicate with the American public at all.

  952. chicon says:

    I agree Mike – from what I’ve read, the Speaker didn’t do a good job by not having agreement among the factions before heading to a vote. And Trump apparently wasn’t up on the details/minutia. His team is a pack of rookies. I do think the HFC is often too dogmatic, even though I agree with them on much. In this case, they seem the least to blame in this case, given the wild unpopularity of the bill with the public.

    I’ve been trying to get Robbie to acknowledge there’s blame to go around; but I think an HFC member must have dumped his sister or something, so he can only blame them. I still think there will be a repeal and replace bill that passes the House relatively soon.

  953. Phil says:

    Robbie, you got a link to where Collins suggested she would support nuking the filibuster?

    All I have seen from her is total silence on the subject.

  954. chicon says:

    Ted Poe is on Fox now supporting Robbie’s position on the HFC in the health negotiations. Used the phrase “moving the goalposts”, and said they would never be a yes. Now the question is this – are Poe and Robbie the same person?

    Just thought it fair to post the evidence supporting his position.

  955. Cash Cow TM says:

    I am tired from watching Walt.

    He

    –checked traps and got his 7th vole

    –made trip to store

    –cleaned flower beds and garden of leaves

    –vacuumed the house

    But…he forgot his wife told him to have his phone with him and so he missed the call from another guy wanting him to come to church to set up tables and chairs for Wed service.

  956. Phil says:

    Robbie, thanks. I had not seen that.

  957. Robbie says:

    Wes

    Here’s a story on Georgia’s special House election written by David Drucker. Ossoff almost certainly needs to gets 50% in the jungle primary to wins and that’s unlikely, for now.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/healthcare-fail-threatens-to-cost-republicans-a-georgia-house-seat/article/2618609#.WNpCB4UeKZQ.twitter

  958. Robbie says:

    Hassan announces she will filibuster Gorsuch. Going to have to nuke the filibuster.

  959. NYCmike says:

    Two-speech Rule!
    Two-speech Rule!

  960. Phil says:

    Outside of the red state Democrats who have to worry about reelection it is hard to see any Democratic Senators not going along with the filibuster. The senate Democratic caucus is what it is – composed entirely of committed leftist Idialogues dedicated to the cause. They are liberal loons and they demonstrate it over and over and over again.

  961. Waingro says:

    Aaaaaaaand there goes Collins.

    ““Senator Collins is not a proponent of changing the rules of the Senate””

    https://t.co/gzvSK0GoOU

  962. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    March 28, 2017 at 6:13 pm
    Aaaaaaaand there goes Collins.
    ““Senator Collins is not a proponent of changing the rules of the Senate””
    https://t.co/gzvSK0GoOU

    – Check the date on the story you posted and then check the date on the story I posted for Phil about Collins.

  963. Phil says:

    Expect orchestrated announcements each and every day of Democratic senators announcing their support fo a filibuster trying to give the appearance of big mo. It is all contrived as are the seven lucky red state Democrats who are allowed to vote to cut off debate.

    The filibuster will miraculously be sustained by one vote all according to Chuckie’s script.

    Nuke em. Nuke em til they glow.

  964. Waingro says:

    #981, thanks Robbie!

  965. chicon says:

    McConnell looks to me like a guy with a really good hand.

  966. Robbie says:

    Leahy says he will NOT support a filibuster. Will this provide cover to those wavering? I think yes.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pat-leahy-says-hell-vote-for-cloture-on-neil-gorsuch-nomination/article/2618704#.WNrhNjU61cs.twitter

  967. Robbie says:

    chicon says:
    March 28, 2017 at 7:04 pm
    McConnell looks to me like a guy with a really good hand.

    – And this is why I believe he should be the point man negotiating all legislation for Republicans. he gets deals done.

  968. chicon says:

    Doesn’t someone in the House need to lead the charge on legislation in the House?

  969. Tina says:

    Its the same old fake rs in the senate.

    Goober and mcamnesty are really mad at nunes for sooilimg the russian story. These 2 clowns are involved in the story wh the dossier

  970. Tina says:

    Yes lets have mitchie lead all legislation,

    Lol

  971. Tina says:

    Two speech rule?

    Do we limit mcamnesty and goober to two soeeches a year in the senate?

    What is fraud flakes view of nuking?

  972. Tina says:

    3h
    CNN Lies & Is Hitler? @NolteNC
    Adam Schiff had all this EVIDENCE.

    MSM let’s him claim this w/o saying what it is.

    Where is it?

    RussiaGate is #fakenews

    Schiff for brains.

  973. Tina says:

    Uh oh

    Evelyn Farkas (Deputy Asst. Secretary of Defense) appearing on MSNBC and admitting first hand knowledge the Obama administration spied on candidate and president-elect Donald Trump’s transition team to gather “intelligence” for political use.

  974. Tina says:

    1h
    Donald J. Trump? @realDonaldTrump
    Why doesn’t Fake News talk about Podesta ties to Russia as covered by @FoxNews or money from Russia to Clinton – sale of Uranium?

  975. NYCmike says:

    After this, 5 more comments until Herman Cain gets here!

  976. chicon says:

    Tina – haven’t seen anything about the Farkas bombshell. Do you have a cite?

  977. Diamond Jim says:

    996

  978. Diamond Jim says:

    997

  979. Diamond Jim says:

    998

  980. Diamond Jim says:

    999

  981. Diamond Jim says:

    M

  982. Tina says:

    Mslsd. Koe mika scarfarce program.

  983. chicon says:

    Thanks Tina.

  984. Bitterlaw says:

    Diamond Jim is working the M circuit now?

  985. Tina says:

    Looks like espionage and sedition.

  986. Phil says:

    Leahy voting for cloture. As in giving cover for other Democrats to vote for cloture? In order to prevent a filibuster and give Gorsuch an up or down vote?

    I’m really confused now. Schumer has been talking tough on filibuster for a week now and even did so today. Now Leahy (I assume with the blessing of Schumer) pulls the rug out? Huh?

    The only thing I can figure is that over the last day or two Republicans behind the scenes made it crystal clear to Schumer that they were indeed ready to nuke the filibuster. Perhaps Schumer was initially just testing McConnell to see if the Republicans had the balls and now has discovered to his horror that they actually do. Hence, a hasty retreat.

    A filibuster that is nuked is a horrible outcome for Democrats. It means they have permanently lost their only weapon to block a real conservative that Trump picks to replace Kennedy or Ginsberg. It would only make sense now if Schumer believed he could block Gorsuch with 60 votes and didn’t feel he had anything to fear on the nuclear front.

  987. chicon says:

    Agreed, Phil, especially the last sentence.

  988. Phil says:

    Sorry, I meant block with 41 votes.

  989. Tina says:

    We need scalia on roids for the second pick.

  990. Phil says:

    If Republicans nuke the filibuster a Scalia clone could easily be confirmed, Tina.

    Probably why Democrats appear to be backing off.

  991. Tina says:

    Hopefully, gorsuch is not roberts, kennedy, or souter.

  992. Trump says:

    That is why the chinless turtle needs to nuke the filibuster now.

  993. Robbie says:

    I would prefer Democrats go through with their filibuster so it can be nuked. With Leahy now providing cover for others to vote against a filibuster, it may well live to fight another day.

    If Kennedy retires this Summer and Trump nominates either Kethledge, Kavannaugh, or Joan Larsen, a Democrat filibuster might work because Collins or Murkowski or McCain might feel differently about nuking the filibuster over what people view as the swing seat.

    Of course, Republicans could always use the “two speech” rule, but that could be timely. And if Republicans ever tried to filibuster a Democrat, Schumer would nuke it in about 1 second.

  994. Tina says:

    Is chinless known also as the ky drunk or the ky blue rino?

  995. NYCmike says:

    Robbie’s #1014 was spot on!

    He is the BESTEST poster ever!

  996. Tina says:

    That nutmlady appears to be in trouble.

  997. Tina says:

    Joe mika scarfarce will have to scrub that interview with the obumbker wacko.

  998. PresidentPaul! says:

    “Of course, Republicans could always use the “two speech” rule, but that could be timely. And if Republicans ever tried to filibuster a Democrat, Schumer would nuke it in about 1 second.”

    Or consider R’s win big in 2018 midterms somehow and then Trump loses but R’s keep senate. 40 republicans could then filibuster a dem supreme court pick.

    Impossible with the moderates though.

  999. Tina says:

    WOW! The last remaining “proof” of Russian collusion with Trump campaign (from a Hillary affiliated group) has now retracted its report. https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/846768473640394752

  1000. Tina says:

    Orrin Hatch: “We are going to confirm Judge Gorsuch. By whatever means necessary.” http://ow.ly/HJsV50auIdv

    Way to go orrin.

  1001. Bitterlaw says:

    End the filibuster. Stupid rule. Man up and vote.

  1002. Bitterlaw says:

    BREXIT begins. Zzzzzzzzzzz

  1003. Wes says:

    The Senate is not the House. Debate is supposed to be more deliberative in the upper chamber. As such, I don’t oppose the filibuster per se though I do object to its misuse.

  1004. NYCmike says:

    n/t