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Election Night Thread – Georgia CD 06

So apparently the leading Democratic candidate in this Special Election doesn’t even live in this district that he is hoping to represent, a fact he is not ashamed for people to know.

The two questions to be answered tonight is whether Jon Ossoff can get to 50% and if not, who will be the Republican facing off against him in a runoff election. Will Republicans have answered Donald Trump’s call?

The results from the Associated Press can be found here. Polls close at 7pm EDT.

Posted by Dave at 5:30 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (1,251)

1,251 Responses to “Election Night Thread – Georgia CD 06”

  1. BayernFan says:

    first

  2. NYCmike says:

    Breaking News:

    Wissing says something not nice about a Democrat instead of about Trump.

    Story, after the game!

  3. Phil says:

    So Ossoff needs to really run it up in DeKalb County to avoid a runoff. Cobb and Fulton portions of the district friendly Republican territory.

  4. NYCmike says:

    Cobb County?

    I hope all of the Republican voters don’t go to the Braves game tonight!

  5. Phil says:

    2016 election share of the Georgia 6th vote —

    Cobb 30%, DeKalb 22%, Fulton 48%

  6. Phil says:

    Hillary got 47% of the 2016 vote.

    Her numbers from 2016 by county.

    Cobb 40%
    DeKalb 57%
    Fulton 46%

  7. Phil says:

    Early vote is counted first. That will be the most Democratic. Hillary got 57% of it. Ossoff needs about 60% of it to make it to 50%.

    Polls now closed.

  8. Crymedogg says:

    Vote counting link?

  9. NYCmike says:

    The dems could have won the seat if they had 2 OK candidates get about 21% each, while the 11 Republicans each got below that.

    Is that correct?

  10. chicon says:

    10 – no, Mike. They only win this time if one person gets to 50%. If nobody does, top two meet in a Battle Royale for all the marbles. In June.

  11. EML says:

    Yes, that could’ve happened. Dems went all in on an unproven candidate instead of the two former public officeholders that were also running.

  12. EML says:

    They could’ve gone to a D vs D runoff in that scenario

  13. NYCmike says:

    chicon,

    How EML described it is what I thought.

    Similar to what happens in CA, if I am not mistaken.

  14. chicon says:

    Yeah, it is a jungle primary with no party affiliation. You could have 367 entrants, or 1. If someone gets 50%+1, it is all done. Otherwise the top two meet in a one-on-one contest for the title.

  15. BayernFan says:

    Are they using paper ballots?

  16. chicon says:

    So the goal tonight is to keep the Dem to under 50% (there’s one other dem only getting 1-2%). Whatever the top dem gets should be the most they’ll get in the final. I predict 43-45% for the dem.

  17. blobbie says:

    the fact the democrat is ahead of all republican candidates, by at least 2 to 1, shows how much trump has hurt the republican party

  18. jason says:

    blobbie are you a moron in real life or do you just like playing one here?

  19. Will says:

    I was wondering the same thing…

  20. Phil says:

    It would be nice to get some numbers before tomorrow morning.

  21. chicon says:

    Updated numbers…everyone tied at 0%

  22. blobbie says:

    ossof at 71% almost 7 times the nearest republican

    obviously trump has destroyed the party

    time for republicans to impeach him

  23. chicon says:

    23 – did you round up from 45%?

  24. jason says:

    ossof at 71% almost 7 times the nearest republican”

    Hey, moron, he is running against like 17 Republicans who are splitting the vote.

    Are you really that stupid?

  25. jason says:

    Obama decimated the Democratic party.

    Did you ask to impeach him?

  26. EML says:

    Early vote out of DeKalb, the most Democratic portion of the district. Dems were motivated to come out early and vote for Ossoff. Still, less than 10K votes in an area that cast 75K votes in November.

  27. jason says:

    Not a very impressive early vote for Osoff number wise. Percentage is good for him but that is not a lot of votes.

  28. blobbie says:

    georgia is clearly rejecting trump

    dems will probably win both houses of congress next year

  29. Phil says:

    NYT says this puts Ossoff on track to get 61% of the total early vote district wide, and they estimate he needed 60% of the total early vote to reach 50%.

    What absolute BS. LOL

  30. Tina says:

    We are doomed.

  31. Tina says:

    President trump should not ha e tweeted that so off was not a residence of the district.

  32. jason says:

    We used to get smarter trolls.

    Blobbie is a disgrace.

  33. chicon says:

    Big win coming for the GOP tonight.

  34. jason says:

    Ossoff is not a resident, but he claims to “have grown up in the district”

    “Democrat Jon Ossoff dismissed concerns Tuesday over the fact that he doesn’t live in the Georgia congressional district in which he’s running for a House seat.

    “I grew up in this district; I grew up in this community — it’s my home. My family is still there,” Ossoff said during an interview on CNN’s “New Day.”

  35. chicon says:

    What do the early exits say? They’ll be vital….

  36. Phil says:

    No exits.

  37. Tom Cotton for President says:

    I hope the democrat wins. Trump has morphed into an establishment republican. What’s the difference between Jeb and Trump?

  38. jason says:

    With the early vote reporting in Cobb County (the most GOP-friendly county in the district, which voted for Trump by 11%), Ossoff is at 57%.”

    That “seven times” lead was the quickest in history.

  39. jason says:

    We have a troll and a deadender.

    Elections attract them like maggots to roadkill.

  40. Just Fill Out The Census says:

    Such an embarrassment that people are even talking about this and that it’s close.

    Major embarrassment for El Presidente Naranja!

  41. Phil says:

    The Democrat needs around 60% of the early vote to have a shot at avoiding a runoff. He is at 62% now after two of the three counties have reported their early tallies. Fulton still to come in and it is the biggest county (48% of the district).

  42. Phil says:

    Good, now re just need Proud Obamacon to show up to make the troll reunion complete. He will no doubt be here shortly.

  43. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    “Such an embarrassment that people are even talking about this and that it’s close.”

    Are you kidding. The Democrats put in over $10 million. They went all out in a district that Trump barely carried. Will see how it turns out.

  44. Robbie says:

    It looks like Ossoff performed better in the early vote than most predicted. The question is whether Democrats simply cannibalized their election day vote by voting early. If so, Ossoff probably won’t hit 50%. If not, then Ossoff may be right around 50%.

  45. Tom Cotton for President says:

    Jeb Bush Trump is a corrupted fraud.

  46. Phil says:

    Well, I’ll give it to the Dem. He hit his early vote target with about three percent to spare.

    Now for the election day vote. If this guy is forced into a runnoff it will be damned close.

  47. Tom Cotton for President says:

    Speaker Of The House Nancy Pelosi!

  48. Pitchaboy says:

    Just like November, numbers slipping for Dems.

  49. Robbie says:

    The polling looks like it underrepresented Ossoff’s vote, but the one caveat is this. All of the polling had about 7% to 9% as undecided. That may be a factor here on top of the fact far too Republicans ran no-hope races and clogged up the ballot.

  50. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    If you were a Democrat, you knew who you were voting for and so had an incentive to vote earlier; Republican voters had to pick between battling candidates, so may have been more likely to wait until election day.

  51. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Seat of the pants estimates based on percentage of early votes do not impress me. At this point no one knows.

  52. Pitchaboy says:

    Robbie is back. He was enthusiastic until around 9 pm in November.

  53. Robbie says:

    Am I reading this correctly that at 9 PM just 4% of the vote has been tallied?

  54. janz says:

    Not trending well, so far. But, there’s still a long way to go. Also, Dems usually come out big for the early vote, while Republicans prefer to cast votes traditionally – on the day of the election.

  55. Pitchaboy says:

    Down to 57 percent

  56. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    April 18, 2017 at 9:04 pm
    Robbie is back. He was enthusiastic until around 9 pm in November.

    – I never left.

  57. Pitchaboy says:

    He had 62 pct of early vote. Now today’s votes getting counted.

  58. janz says:

    4% is what I’ve seen logged in @ the AP site and one local newspaper.

  59. Robbie says:

    David M. Drucker?
    @DavidMDrucker
    2m2 minutes ago

    No panic in interested GOP circles yet. Some had expected a strong, though short of 50, Ossoff finish. #GA06

  60. Pitchaboy says:

    It is fair to say Republicans will gain more votes than Jeb delegates after 100 million bucks

  61. Pitchaboy says:

    I was scoffed at when I predicted PA and MI for DJT at 9pm or so in November. This dem guy will end up around 46 pct.

  62. chicon says:

    4% of precincts have been counted. In addition to all the early vote, I believe.

  63. janz says:

    There really is a morbid curiosity attached to the GA election. Can a shallow newbie obtain a symbolic win, creating shadows of doubt over the trump presidency? That is the knawing question of this evening’s political contest.

  64. Pitchaboy says:

    56.7 with 20 pct in

  65. chicon says:

    Looks like none of today’s vote in Fulton counted yet.

  66. Tina says:

    Looks like we are still doomed.

  67. janz says:

    I hope not, Tina.

  68. Pitchaboy says:

    55.6 after 23 pct. losing about 0.3 per precinct

  69. Pitchaboy says:

    Nate Cohn going the way of November. Super confident to cautious. Stay tuned

  70. chicon says:

    Still nothing from today’s vote in Fulton County.

  71. jason says:

    Hillary got 57% in DeKalb…Ossoff at 58% with 67% in. Odds are he will drop below Hillary’s percentage because the early vote skewed his total. The last third of the vote will be less than 58%.

  72. Barrett says:

    32% in, Osoff has 53.9%

  73. Pitchaboy says:

    What say you Robbie? Slipping away eh?

  74. Pitchaboy says:

    He will end up in low forties.

  75. jason says:

    Now 54% overall.

  76. jason says:

    One positive for the runoff, assuming there is one, is that the other Dems don’t even add up to 1%.

    So Ossoff is pretty much it for the Dem vote.

  77. Tom Cotton for President says:

    Deadenders stayed home! We didn’t vote for the repukelicans!

  78. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Nate Cohen now says unlikely Osoff gets 50%, as he phrases it “a slight underdog” to get 50%.

  79. Pitchaboy says:

    It’s over Mr. Cotton. Your guy vs Karen Handel.

  80. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    April 18, 2017 at 9:31 pm
    Wasserman calls a runoff. https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/854507031465791488

  81. jason says:

    I wish deadenders would always stay home.

  82. Pitchaboy says:

    Nate gave Hillary 72pct.at 9pm on Election Day.

  83. Pitchaboy says:

    I beat Wasserman to it, Sheeple.

  84. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    The trolls may have fled, that is always a good sign.

  85. Pitchaboy says:

    Good night fellow HHRers. Keep the faith.

  86. Marc says:

    Gonna project a runoff with Osoff getting 44/46 of the vote

  87. jason says:

    The bottom feeders, Cotton, ObamaCON, Census, blobbie, etc can go back to their cesspools.

  88. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    84 Yes, you did. My post was for Robbie’s sake since Wasserman is one of his favorites.

  89. Bitterlaw says:

    Night, Pitch.

  90. BayernFan says:

    It’s funny when people make predictions and gloat or wring their hands before votes are counted.

  91. Barrett says:

    Yeah, the other dems account for .9% of the vote. If you count the independents, they count for 1%

  92. Tom Cotton for President says:

    Tom Cotton is true conservative unlike Donald Chump!

  93. Phil says:

    Man, Dems dumped a lot of money into this race. Total is up to ten million as of today.

  94. Uncle Sam says:

    Happy Days Are Here Again!
    The Georgia seat cannot be bought.

  95. Barrett says:

    40% in, Osoff at 50.8%

    Republicans will hold off the challenger most likely

  96. chicon says:

    Did all the counters go on strike?

  97. Robbie says:

    Looks like we can breathe a bit easier. Dave Wasserman says it’s going to a run-off.

  98. Uncle Sam says:

    @Redistrict
    Ossoff (D) fell from 47.6% to 42.5% of the Election Day vote after the most recent batch of 20k was counted. GOP rejoices.

  99. Barrett says:

    46% in, Ossoff at 51%. Creeping up, but I don’t know if that will hold.

  100. Tina says:

    This is disappointing.

  101. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #98- Robbie
    You are way late. See my post #81

  102. Waingro says:

    The lefties and “non partisan” analysts in my twitter timeline all of sudden very quiet about GA-06

  103. BayernFan says:

    are they counting with an abacus?

  104. Robbie says:

    As I wondered in comment 45, it looks like Democrats simply cannibalized their election day vote in early voting.

  105. Waingro says:

    LOL!! 10 Million.

    Dave Wasserman?Verified account @Redistrict 2m2 minutes ago

    Will Ossoff (D) finish tonight higher or lower than the 46.8% Clinton won in #GA06? I’m starting to think it could be…lower. It’s close.
    0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes

  106. janz says:

    Bayern, I was also wondering why the count is soooo slow!

  107. Barrett says:

    heh, 50.1% with 50% reporting

  108. Tina says:

    Osoff final number may be so off of his polling numbers.

  109. Uncle Sam says:

    Deja Vu all over again. Liberal media in a fantasyland tizzy as election night starts. Then reality hits when the votes are actually counted. Down goes Ossoff.

  110. Phil says:

    Dems working on new method to solve cannabalization problem by getting around that annoying rule preventing voting on election day after casting early vote.

    Label that rule “repressing the vote”

  111. Tom Cotton for President says:

    Go Ossoff!

  112. Barrett says:

    Dekalb in 100%, Cobb in 88%…it’s really up to Fulton County, who is busy using an ancient chinese method to count their votes.

  113. Tina says:

    Ossoff is so off in cobb.

  114. Tina says:

    Did they find the missing voting machines?

  115. Barrett says:

    53% in, 50.4 for Ossoff

    Dekalb 100%
    Cobb 96%
    Fulton…zzzzzzzzzz (16%)

  116. Robbie says:

    On an entirely different topic, the WSJ is reporting FoxNews is ready to cut ties with Bill O’Reilly. I certainly don’t approve of his personal issues, but I’m sad to see him go, if that proves to be the case.

  117. Barrett says:

    The feminists strike again. O’Reilly settled his debts out of court and still continues to keep his sponsors and bring in millions for fox.

    Why cut him?

  118. chicon says:

    117 – seems like Bill got the disease where you think no rules apply to you. Hubris. It is too bad.

  119. Tina says:

    Why cut him?

    The faux news is run by the leftist kids of rupert. They keep shep,smith, geraldine rivera, and for the longest time, mayhekm kelly.

  120. Tom Cotton for President says:

    Ossoff is over 50%!
    Yay!

  121. Uncle Sam says:

    The Georgia election is just more proof of how out of touch the Democratic Party is with the American people.

  122. Hugh says:

    Is Fulton county completely incompetent

  123. Tom Cotton for President says:

    Donald Chump is out of touch with the American people. Where’s our tax cut? What happened to repealing Obamacare?

  124. Barrett says:

    Hugh, they are only 84% incompetent

  125. BayernFan says:

    Incompetent vote counting

  126. Wes says:

    Did GA-6 suddenly stop counting for some reason?

  127. Phil says:

    Cohen says Ossoff finishes with 48.7%

  128. Tom Cotton for President says:

    Don’t worry the democrats will find the votes to Ossofg 50% of the vote!
    Yay!

  129. BayernFan says:

    worse than New Hampshire. what a joke. They should be embarrassed.

  130. chicon says:

    Looks like they counted another six ballots….

  131. BayernFan says:

    When you fall down counting votes that just invites accusations of shenanigans and chicanery. nearly 4 hours since the polls closed. unreal.

  132. Wes says:

    If Florida were countinh, we’d know the results already.

  133. Tom Cotton for President says:

    Democrats are cheating…duh!?

  134. Tina says:

    Are they primt Ng ballots from the solen machines?

  135. BayernFan says:

    yeah they probably are

  136. Bitterlaw says:

    If O’Reilly was a scumbag…IF….dump him. Even if Tina thinks it is ok to assault women.

  137. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Remember how long it took to call Georgia last November? We may be getting a repeat of why.

  138. Bitterlaw says:

    Incredibly simple rules to avoid being accused of anything by women:

    1. Don’t touch women.

    2. Don’t ask for demand sex with women at work.

    3. If you are married, see 1 and 2.

  139. BayernFan says:

    Georgia should have been called an hour after the polls closed. The media didn’t want their wet dream to die.

  140. BayernFan says:

    don’t tell jokes at work either. Don’t talk politics. Never be alone with a woman at work. Always look at their face. Never ask them questions about or talk to them about anything other than work related matters.

  141. Wes says:

    Translation:

    Be completely emasculated if you’re s guy.

  142. Tina says:

    Mr. Bl, i already said he needs to go. A week or so agi.

    Nice try.

  143. Tina says:

    And use your lawyerly skills and find the thread.

  144. BayernFan says:

    Alternative translation:

    Avoid getting fired or sued.

  145. Tina says:

    And no question faux is leaning left.

    When possible, i watch fox businesss. They are what foz news used to be.

  146. JC says:

    Phew… Fell asleep, then woke up seeing Ossoff above 50% and panicked. Thank goodness this was the result of early votes with election day returns still to be counted.

    So Ossoff is likely to finish at ~45%… exactly as I predicted (42 – 46).

    Also, I’m glad Handel is going to the runoff. IMO she is best to unite both the grass roots wing (she’s an early tea partier) and the establishment wing (former SOS).

  147. Tina says:

    14m
    Dave Wasserman? @Redistrict
    When you add it all up, total GOP vote in #GA06 could end up 1-2% ahead of total Dem vote, basically same as ’16 presidential margin.

    Whoops.

  148. Tom Cotton For President says:

    O’Reilly choked his wife in front of his kids. He’s a jerk.

  149. Tina says:

    Ben Jacobs? @Bencjacobs
    Starting to grow increasingly concerned that the Fulton County Board of Elections is on vacation with Bill O’Reilly right now

    Lol

  150. Tina says:

    They are now vatican refugees.

  151. Phil says:

    Uh, he isn’t finishing at 45. More like 48 to 49. The only election day vote left to count is in Fulton County.

    My guess is the Democrat comes three to four thousand short of fifty percent….that assumes Georgia ever gets around to counting any more votes.

  152. BayernFan says:

    should be a rule that if you don’t report results within a certain time no votes are counted

  153. Phil says:

    O Reilly has a violent temper. That has been documented and you can see examples of it on You Tube.

  154. NYCmike says:

    Re-post my prediction to see how close I was.

    NYCmike says:
    April 17, 2017 at 8:40 am

    Ossoff – 44.5%
    Republicans – 55.5% (Handel to top)

  155. NYCmike says:

    Way off right now, but we shall see.

  156. blobbie says:

    ossoff still winning! clearly trump and oreilly have devastated the republican party

  157. blobbie says:

    interesting that we are JUST NOW hearing of technical difficulties in fulton. did trump call putin again?

  158. blobbie says:

    voting hours have been extended tonight

  159. Tom Cotton For President says:

    Democrats are trying to steal another election.

  160. Phil says:

    Extended? It’s almost midnight for God’s sake.

    LOL

    I thought we were waiting on Fulton County. Seems we are suddenly in Cook.

  161. blobbie says:

    Hour-long line at a Roswell, GA polling place. People say it’s longer than for the presidential.

  162. blobbie says:

    Ivanka’s company won Chinese approval for new trademarks the same day she dined with China’s president at Mar-a-Lago

  163. BayernFan says:

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/voters-head-to-the-polls-for-georgias-crucial-6th-district-race/513619541

    Fulton County officials said due to data error from one of the cards, they will have to manually go through hundreds of cards to find the culprit. The Fulton Elections Chair did not give a timeline.

  164. blobbie says:

    looks like the russians and trump have struck again

  165. blobbie says:

    Source: Fox News and Bill O’Reilly are talking exit

  166. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Opps.

    “JUST IN: Rare data error from one of the cards means Fulton Co. will have to manually go through hundreds of cards to find the culprit.”

  167. Phil says:

    Yeah, the Russians were deeply involved in the ballot count. Hacked into Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Hell, lets make this good. No doubt changed the vote totals in Texas as well.

  168. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    “Big update puts Ossoff at 48.6 percent with 183k votes countes” Nate Cohen

  169. wraith says:

    Jon Ossoff
    Dem.
    88,562 48.6% @ 12.00 PM

  170. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Looks like definite run-off.

  171. wraith says:

    Jon Ossoff
    Dem.
    88,562 48.6% ~~~ @ 12.00 PM ~~~

  172. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Nate Cohen: “There’s around 15k GOP-leaning vote left. I’d guess that brings him down to around 47.7 when it’s all through.”

  173. blobbie says:

    the voting machines have a “problem”

    and suddenly ossoff goes under 50%

    nothing to see here people, move along, move along

  174. jason says:

    Donald Chump is out of touch with the American people. Where’s our tax cut? What happened to repealing Obamacare?”

    Don’t worry deadender, Ossoff will give you a tax cut and repeal Obamacare, isn’t that why you are supporting him?

  175. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Democrats spent $10 million on what they can refer to as another “moral victory.” It will be rougher for them in the special elections in Montana and South Carolina.

  176. jason says:

    The Dems can claim another “moral victory”.

    They will lose the runoff, but Ossoff “did well”.

  177. jason says:

    the voting machines have a “problem”

    and suddenly ossoff goes under 50%”

    The troll is upset the Dems weren’t able to steal another election?

  178. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    173. Nate Cohen from the New York Times was predicting the outcome at about how it turned out long before the computer card error.

  179. jason says:

    Heh, SD, I guess great minds think alike.

  180. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    My last post was directed at 175, not 173.

  181. Cash Cow TM says:

    There is a car in eastern TN broke down on the interstate. Covered on the outside with Ossoff For Congress.

    The back seat is full of GA ballots.

    So maybe this election ain’t over yet…
    ###########################
    (Just kidding ya)

  182. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    181. True.

  183. jason says:

    Maybe we can get the moonbats to spend more money on a recount.

  184. Phil says:

    Yep, ten million bucks down the drain. Reminds me of all that lefty dough that went into the Michigan, Wisconsin recounts. Great bang for their bucks.

    Maybe Ossoff and his doctor to be live in can syphon some of that ten million off and buy them a nice crib compliments of all the lefty suckers who threw money into that race. Way to go, chumps.

  185. jason says:

    Hey blobbie, this is winnable, the Diebold machines built by the Koch Bros. put Ossoff under 50%.

    Send in a big check to remedy this obvious alt-right conspiracy.

  186. blobbie says:

    Avi Bueno? @JasperAvi 13m13 minutes ago
    More
    Woah woah… Pre-“technical error” in #FultonCounty, @ossoff had ~55% of the vote there. *Right* after, he dropped to ~48%. #FlipThe6th

  187. jason says:

    Extended? It’s almost midnight for God’s sake.”

    Well, Phil, not all elections can be stolen in an hour or two.

    Depends on the deficit.

  188. blobbie says:

    A “rare data error” occurs in the swing county, while the counties that comfortably sit left or right remain unscathed

  189. jason says:

    @ossoff had ~55% of the vote there.”

    Zzzzzzz…. he had even more than that with the early vote.

    But the same day vote brought it down to 55% and it will keep going down as the same day vote increases and dilutes the early vote.

    I know its challenging for your small brain, but its really not rocket science.

  190. jason says:

    But still, you better send in a fat check right now.

  191. jason says:

    Here, moron, even before the data error was announced..

    Update: 4/18/2017 10:38PM

    Fulton County is *slow*. We’re expecting a precinct dump from there soon. With the other two counties more or less all in, Ossoff is at 50.3%. Seems clear he drops into the 40s, but the question is how far.”

    This is because even though Fulton went for Hillary, the part of Fulton which is in this district is more Republican. Only part of the county is in this district.

  192. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    The type of computer error that probably happened
    is a nightmare to correct. You are trying to run tens of thousands of computer card ballots through the computer. A defective one, could be because of a tear or is soiled, etc., will not run through. It stops the process.

    You have to then sort through all the ballots until you find the bad card, then take it out and run the batch without it.

  193. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    There usually are election observers from both parties watching the whole process of counting the votes by computer, and would observe the correcting of the error. They fully understand what is happening.

  194. Walt says:

    We ate dinner tonight before going over to the Grand Ol’ Opry show.

    GUESS WHO WE ATE DINNER WITH?

    None other than “WHISPERING BIll” ANDERSON–the oldtine Opry singing star who opened the show tonight!

    Yes sir!
    We ate dinner with him.
    Well he was sitting 3 tables away. …same Cracker Barrel though.

    Some other people were going over to his table and getting autographs and pictures.

  195. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Nate Cohen: “Adding all the candidates together: R 50.49, D 49.41”

  196. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Huge problem in George was you had a Democratic candidate running against a Republican swarm, who spent much of their time attacking each other.

    Add a $10 million dollar war chest, and the Democratic candidate had a shot at it.

  197. jason says:

    AP has called it….

    Ossoff now under 48%

  198. BayernFan says:

    CC

  199. Mr.Vito says:

    If anyone is bored and still waiting for the last little bit, here is a breakdown of the remaining precincts by Trump % advantage over Clinton and number of voters in 2016.

    +54 76
    +30 59
    +21 4355
    +15 651
    +14 1357
    +12 1560
    +10 182
    +07 2178
    +05 1356
    +04 484
    +01 1373
    -01 2933
    -03 497
    -06 975
    -07 731
    -10 174
    -12 1479
    -12 767
    -13 50
    -18 2472
    -20 746
    -20 1176
    -25 383
    -36 751
    -50 403

  200. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Another Obama national security adviser supports Trump:

    “A former Obama administration National Security Council staffer, Barry Pavel, slammed the previous president’s policies in Syria on Fox News Monday, saying that Obama’s inaction led to unstable situation. He also praised President Donald Trump’s April 4 missile strike in Syria.

    “I think [Obama] left a more dangerous world,” Pavel said. “Potential adversaries know we had the capability, but not the will. Because they knew that the Obama administration would never use military force for any purpose, they felt free to conduct their coercive actions in the South China Seas, the Russians went into Iran and Syria and North Korea accelerated their nuclear arms program.”

    Pavel said that he suggested being more forceful with rogue leaders like Syrian President Bashar Assad, but Obama did not want to commit hundreds of thousands of troops. In response, Pavel said there was a middle ground between the two options”

  201. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Obama is well on his way to being discredited and forgotten.

  202. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Donald J. Trump tweet: “Despite major outside money, FAKE media support and eleven Republican candidates, BIG “R” win with runoff in Georgia. Glad to be of help!”

  203. Mr.Vito says:

    Fulton’s done.

  204. Bitterlaw says:

    Translation of Wes’ translation-

    Treat women like sex objects and take what you want from them. I can’t wait until he has to explain this to his daughter. “Sorry but if your boss wants to grab your ass, you have to let him. He’s a man.”

  205. Wes says:

    Aaron Hernandez committed suicide.

    Bitterlaw seriously thinks I wouldn’t pistolwhip anyone who sexually harassed my daughter.

    Ossoff failed to hit 50%.

    All is right in the world.

  206. W. PA Observer says:

    207. Don’t forget the British Labour Party is headed for oblivion.

    And ten million left of center dollars that will not be spent in the VA Gov/State races this fall.

  207. Bitterlaw says:

    Just heard that Aaron Hernandez hanged himself in prison. 27 years old. Oh well. Killer is no longer being supported by taxpayers.

  208. Bitterlaw says:

    Why would you care if somebody acted like O’Reilly towards your daughter? You would want him to follow his masculine urges, right?

  209. jason says:

    Justice was not served when he was acquitted of killing two people over a spilled drink, but I guess it was when he hanged himself.

  210. jason says:

    I am glad Handel won a clear victory on the GOP side so there should be no ruffled feathers and no sour grapes.

    IMO she was the strongest candidate anyway, she was just a few votes short of becoming governor of GA.

    Still, it was close enough that she is going to have to put some hard work in to prevail.

    I hope Big Joe is right that the Dems best chance was yesterday.

  211. Tom Cotton For President says:

    Aaron Hernandez killed himself on the day that the Patriots visit the White House. What a selfish evil person, he was.

  212. wraith says:

    Precincts Reporting: 100% (210/210)

    Jon Ossoff (D) — 48.10% – 92,390
    Karen Handel (R) — 19.78% – 37,993
    Bob Gray (R) — 10.81% – 20,755

  213. DW says:

    Glad to see Ossoff fell short, and glad to see tens of million more Democrat dollars poured into stimulating the economy but not getting them any power.

  214. DW says:

    The GOP tried hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but weren’t quite competent enough to do it.

  215. jason says:

    Let’s see how many of the bottom feeders that came out of the cesspool are back today.

    If Ossoff had won they would be back and bring their friends with them.

  216. jason says:

    Hey WPA, long time no see. How goes it?

  217. jason says:

    Where is Scooter and wvally?

    I miss those A-holes.

  218. jason says:

    Over at DKos not everyone is happy…

    “125,000 Dems showed up to vote for Stooksbury in November. Less than 90,000 — so far — showed up to turn a red district blue tonight.

    I guess they didn’t want it badly enough I hope this is not what we will see in 2018 — close races but no flips”

  219. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – FB tells me that Scooter, MD and WV are still alive and well. It takes a lot to wipe out an A-hole.

    Too much?

  220. jason says:

    Never.

  221. jason says:

    I don’t have FB but give them all my best wishes and tell them to show themselves once in awhile.

  222. jason says:

    blobbie says:
    April 18, 2017 at 11:40 pm

    Ivanka’s company won Chinese approval for new trademarks the same day she dined with China’s president at Mar-a-Lago

    blobbie says:
    April 19, 2017 at 12:06 am

    the voting machines have a “problem”

    and suddenly ossoff goes under 50%

    nothing to see here people, move along, move along”

    We need to stimulate the paranoia and conspiracy theories by the moonbats, especially if they are willing to spend money on them.

  223. jason says:

    Blobbie, according to the intercept log from the Russians the conversation went something like this:

    Trump
    “Give Ivanka the trade marks and you can have $ million in free slot play at my cas-ino”

    Xi
    Can you throw in Taiwan too?

    Trump
    Deal!

  224. jason says:

    Huh, that was 5 million in free slot play

  225. Robbie says:

    Congratulations to Sean Hannity. He endorsed former Delta Airlines stewardess and Tea Party Patriots founder Amy Kremer in the GA06 special election. She got 349 votes. Without Sean’s help, I’m not sure she could have done that well.

  226. Robbie says:

    Apparently, Jason Chaffetz’s will not run again. I guess Egg McMuffin will make a play for that seat.

  227. NYCmike says:

    Ossoff was close, but did not get the cigar.

    Should have asked Bill Clinton to campaign…..

  228. NYCmike says:

    Heh. Why would Robbie mention Hannity? Does his success bother you?

    Maybe he didn’t support your desire for a brokered convention?

  229. NYCmike says:

    Just saw some story about Chaffetz being blackmailed by the Russians to make sure he would run interference for Trump……now he won’t run again…..the plot thickens……

  230. Robbie says:

    My guess is Democrats blew their best chance to win the GA06 yesterday. Ossoff always benefitted from a fractured Republican field and a highly motivated and energized Democrat base. At least on the former point, that almost certainly won’t be the case for the run off on June 20. I would think Handel is slight favorite at this point, probably in the 53-47 range.

    That said, it’s important to note these two special elections have shown Democrats are energized while Republicans appear, at the moment, to be “meh” about things. That’s not surprising given what’s taken place the last three months, but just a few legislative victories can turn around Republican interest levels.

    I think the Montana special election will be an interesting moment for Democrats. The last poll I saw last week had the Republican over 50% and leading by about 20 points. Quist, the Democrat, is a real eccentric and a progressive hero. If the Republican wins easily, it may be a dispiriting moment for Democrats as they head towards the GA06 run off. And if that’s the case, it could signal the waning of the resistance.

  231. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    April 19, 2017 at 10:47 am
    Heh. Why would Robbie mention Hannity? Does his success bother you?
    Maybe he didn’t support your desire for a brokered convention?

    – Because he’s a clown with an oversized view of his own importance who endorsed a no-chance candidate.

  232. Wobbles says:

    Congratulations to Sean Hannity. He endorsed former Democrat and Trump University Founder Donald Trump in the US Presidential election. He got 63 million votes. Without Sean’s help, I’m not sure he could have done that well.

  233. jason says:

    ho endorsed a no-chance candidate.”

    Yep, and no candidate Wobbie thinks “has no chance” ever won, right?

    And all the ones he thinks will clear the field and suck up all the money win, right?

  234. NYCmike says:

    “– Because he’s a clown with an oversized view of his own importance who endorsed a no-chance candidate.”

    -Are you speaking about PRESIDENT TRUMP?

  235. NYCmike says:

    While I am not Hannity’s biggest fan, in fact, I find him pretty shallow in his reasoning, I do not understand why Robbie would be gleeful he supported a lesser-known candidate and that candidate did not do well.

  236. NYCmike says:

    It looks like “Wobbles” already mentioned the obvious.

    Cheers, “Wobbles”.

  237. NYCmike says:

    “Wobbles” makes more sense than his parody, Robbie. 🙂

  238. jason says:

    Maybe he views Hannity as the “real Jeb killer”.

  239. Robbie says:

    Why did I make fun of Sean Hannity? Simple. He used his standing as a well known FoxNews personality to back a candidate who had no chance of finishing in the top two in what became an important special election.

    At least David Perdue and Marco Rubio backed a candidate who, according to polling, had a reasonable shot to finish in the top two. That candidate ultimately didn’t do well, but he certainly did better than 349 total votes and .2%.

    Endorsement don’t have a lot of cache anymore, but, if someone is going to make one, endorse someone with a reasonable chance. Otherwise, stay neutral. As we saw in the MO 2012 Senate primary, a muddled field with competing endorsements can produce electoral disasters like Todd Akin.

  240. Wobbles says:

    “Wobbles” makes more sense than his parody, Robbie.”

    Thanks man, its nice to get some recognition.

    Sometimes I feel like that moose sticker on the Geico ad, who is crushed to find out he is not a real moose.

  241. Wobbles says:

    He used his standing as a well known FoxNews personality to back a candidate who had no chance of getting the nomination or winning the Presidency.

  242. jason says:

    Wow, Wobbie mentioned Marco Rubio without attacking him.

    I am sure it was an oversight.

  243. Wobbles says:

    My favorite poster is Cash Cow.

  244. Robbie says:

    Watching Jason carry on a conversation with himself through one of his parody screen names is, as Trump might say on Twitter, SAD!

  245. jason says:

    Hannity is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and if you listen for the first 5 minutes of every hour you don’t need to listen to the other 55 minutes. I excoriated him for being Trump’s poodle, but in the end he picked the winning candidate, I didn’t.

    Do I care if his candidate got 300 votes?

    No, because those 300 votes helped deny Ossoff the 50%.

    Now if Hannity fails to endorse Handel, that’s a different story. If the deadender was a threat to winning the primary and a sure loser in the general, different story.

    As it is, no harm done. Wobbie is just looking for the elusive Jeb killer.

  246. Mr.Vito says:

    Bunu’s Ron Paul poster is his favorite poster.

  247. Wobbles says:

    Watching Jason carry on a conversation with himself through one of his parody screen names is, as Trump might say on Twitter, SAD!”

    Yes, Robbie has a life and is way too busy and has much more important things to do than post here.

  248. jason says:

    I hear Bunu is selling his collection of Ron Paul’s racist newsletters so he can buy a new Ron Paul doll. The old one is really worn…

  249. Mr.Vito says:

    Rare photo of Jeb’s candidacy with Jeb (left) and Rick Wilson (right).

    http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/f2/41/d4/f241d449d30b73fd486ac1c78d9f3f49.jpg

  250. Mr.Vito says:

    Sounds like Ossoff gave some perfect soundbites last night for Handel to run ads against him…

  251. Robbie says:

    Evan McMillan, affectionately referred to as Egg McMuffin, still owes $670,000 from his presidential campaign and vendors worry he’ll stiff them.

    http://www.sltrib.com/home/5191365-155/mcmullin-owes-nearly-670000-for-his

  252. Mr.Vito says:

    Trump cut a robocall apparently that ran before the election… he also personally called Handel to congratulate her. He is apparently really getting into this.

  253. BayernFan says:

    I thought prisons take away anything you can use to hang yourself.

  254. DW says:

    256 – they would have to take away bedsheets.

  255. BayernFan says:

    Where will O’Reilly ed up? CNN? MSNBC?

  256. JC says:

    ‘Moral Victory’
    ‘Moral Victory’
    ‘Moral Victory’

    It’s funny how often you see this now in the media. Just like the word ‘solidarity’. Taking their cues from the DNC.

    The democrats sure have it good – even when they lose they win. Well, here’s hoping for more ‘Moral Victories’.

  257. Cash Cow TM says:

    A would rather have a fractured clavicle than a fractured GOP.

  258. Wobbles says:

    Trump cut a robocall apparently that ran before the election… he also personally called Handel to congratulate her. He is apparently really getting into this.”

    I wish I could support this but the MSM is against it.

  259. Bitterlaw says:

    I thought prisons take away anything you can use to hang yourself.

    Too bad. They should give murders and child molesters rope fro their cells.

  260. jason says:

    Frankly, if I was young and healthy and had a 40 million dollar contract, a mansion, good looking girlfriend, expensive cars, etc. and threw it all away for a life in jail because I wasted some dudes for talking to the wrong person or spilling a drink on me in a club, I would kill myself too.

  261. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Wobbles says:
    April 19, 2017 at 11:34 am
    My favorite poster is Cash Cow.”

    I think I am to take that as a compliment…
    or am I…maybe it is a left-handed slam?
    ##########################################
    Often the world is not as it seems…

    Hey, did you all see the story linked at DRUDGE about the beaver that was herding up a bunch a of cows?

  262. jason says:

    I thought prisons take away anything you can use to hang yourself….

    Impossible really. You can hang yourself with your own clothes if you are really set on it.

  263. jason says:

    Too bad. They should give murders and child molesters rope fro their cells.”

    Actually not a bad idea. They should offer the option of a cyanide pill to anyone sentenced to life without parole.

  264. Cash Cow TM says:

    “jason says:
    April 19, 2017 at 12:53 pm
    Frankly, if I was young and healthy and had a 40 million dollar contract, a mansion, good looking girlfriend, expensive cars, etc. and threw it all away for a life in jail because I wasted some dudes for talking to the wrong person or spilling a drink on me in a club, I would kill myself too.”

    He may have had all that, but but no moral compass.
    He had big holes in his soul to do such horrible thing as killing someone.

  265. DW says:

    262 – some people here like to make fun of Tim Tebow, but he and Hernandez played for the same Florida Gators football team.

    One of them made it big in the NFL but offed himself in prison this morning while the other one seems happy with his life playing for the single-A Mets farm club.

  266. NYCmike says:

    “He may have had all that, but but no moral compass.”

    -Hernandez was born in a small town of 60,000 people.

  267. NYCmike says:

    “262 – some people here like to make fun of Tim Tebow,”

    -I don’t think people make fun of Tebow.

    I think they, correctly, make fun of the people who say he is not an NFL QB due to his Christianity.

  268. NYCmike says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Hernandez

    His Dad died when he was 16.
    Our accountant’s Dad died when he was 16.

    Hernandez’s actions have NOTHING to do with his Dad dying when he was a teenager. He was just a disgusting human being, with an inflated opinion of himself.

  269. NYCmike says:

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/369354.php

    -This is great…..but Jason will not like it.

  270. BayernFan says:

    263…….Actually the beaver wasn’t herding cows. The cows were following the beaver around.

  271. Bitterlaw says:

    I made a rare visit to DailyKOS. Special election? What special election? Top story is a bout a mom being deported.

  272. NYCmike says:

    Lesbian cows?

  273. BayernFan says:

    precisely

  274. Bitterlaw says:

    I think Tim Tebow is a great person. I would not want him as a QB for the Eagles. It has nothing to do with his faith. My favorite Eagle was Reggie White. So open about his faith that he was known as The Minister of Defense. Amazing Defender and out spoken Christian before he died.

  275. Walt says:

    “-Hernandez was born in a small town of 60,000 people.”

    60,000?

    That is a big city to me.

    WV has no city of 50,000 population or more size.
    My town is 17,000 and it is one of top 10 biggest cities in WV.

  276. NYCmike says:

    Found on Instapundit:

    “ONE WAS CLUTCHING A DRAFT COPY OF BERNIE SANDERS’ ECONOMIC PLAN: Egypt unearths 8 mummies in 3,500-year-old tombs.”

  277. Robbie says:

    With five days to go, the French presidential race looks more and more like a four-way photo finish. Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, and Melechon are all within four points. It still looks like Le Pen and Macron will be the top two, but I’ve still got my fingers crossed Fillon can surprise if Le Pen and Macron slip just a bit more.

  278. jason says:

    Best outcome would be a Fillon – Le Pen race so Fillon would be a sure win.

    Although he might be able to beat the Marxist too.

    Worst case would be Le Pen – Marxist.

    You would have to close down the Eiffel Tower or raffle out tickets to jumbp.

  279. NYCmike says:

    Walt,

    My NEIGHBORHOOD is a little over 2 square miles, with a population of almost 80,000 people, according to Wikipedia.

  280. NYCmike says:

    A quaint little neighborhood in NYC.

  281. NYCmike says:

    And everybody LOVES me! 🙂

  282. jason says:

    Anyone who thinks Tebow wearing his religion on his sleeve and not being a scumbag didn’t hurt his NFL career is a moron. He was the most hated player on ESPN and other sports media for years, they just couldn’t stand it.. his popularity with the fans was like waving a red flag in front of the bull…how could a Christian and genuine nice guy be popular…horror.

    I’m sorry if I offended anyone.

  283. NYCmike says:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/sources-fox-news-has-decided-bill-oreilly-has-to-go.html

    -According to this story linked from Drudge, O’Reilly to be let go by FOX.

    Found these statements interesting: “According to one source, Lachlan Murdoch’s wife helped convince her husband that O’Reilly needed to go, which moved Lachlan into James’s corner.”

  284. jason says:

    I am ten times more moral than Walt.

    My town only has 1700…..

  285. jason says:

    BOR is about 50 times more interesting to watch than Hannity. That being said I rarely watch either one.

  286. Mr.Vito says:

    The combined population of three towns I lived in growing up is about 6400.

  287. Kurt Warner says:

    My brother, jason, seems to be mistaken on religious QBs being allowed to play in the NFL. I will pray for him after I polish my Super Bowl ring.

  288. JC says:

    @ Jason

    Even though I agree with Hannity on most issues, I hate his constant and unerring ‘preaching to the chorus’ approach.

    It’s a stark contrast to how Rush Limbaugh does his show. Hannity just repeats republican talking points ad nauseam over and over. Rush actually explains his views (and the views of the left) about what is happening, and tries to dissect daily American and world events.

  289. Mr.Vito says:

    I’m not one that says Tebow was blackballed for religious reasons, but Bitter’s fallacious arguments have never helped his point of view.

    His religion, nice guy status, and work ethic also helped his career, as it increased his fan base far beyond what it would have been otherwise. A superstar can do whatever they want in the nfl, whether it be talking about Jesus or beating their girlfriends.

  290. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m not one that says Tebow was blackballed for religious reasons, but Bitter’s fallacious arguments have never helped his point of view.

    Jason said “Anyone who thinks Tebow wearing his religion on his sleeve and not being a scumbag didn’t hurt his NFL career is a moron.”

    I pointed out that there are many religious NFL players. Perhaps Mr. Vito can point out my fallacious arguments.

  291. Mr.Vito says:

    Lest we forget, Tim Tebow was viciously attacked for cutting a prolife ad with his mom before he was even drafted. The media labeled the NCAA eyeblack rule the Tebow Rule even though other players put messages on their eyeblack, because the Bible verses put them in a tizzy.

  292. Mr.Vito says:

    “Perhaps Mr. Vito can point out my fallacious arguments.”

    Why? You know your point is different than Jason’s… besides, if your argument was valid, discrimination lawyers would be out of a job.

  293. Bitterlaw says:

    Mr. Vito – I never denied that Tebow was attacked. I deny that his faith was the reason he did not remain in the NFL.

  294. Mr.Vito says:

    …which is not what jason said, and as noted, a claim that is not proven by showing other religious people were stars in the NFL

  295. jason says:

    Right, the fact other religious people made it in the NFL doesn’t mean it didn’t hurt Tebow. As for Warner the political correctness/leftist bent has gotten worse among the sports MSM, not better, its possible Warner would have a harder time now.

    But Bitter knows this.

    I don’t know if Tebow would have made it in the NFL if he was a scumbag, but I guarantee he would have had a better chance. Denying that the controversy, media circus, and relentless beating Tebow took from the press limited his chances of being picked up is being delusional.

  296. jason says:

    I deny that his faith was the reason he did not remain in the NFL.”

    Zzzzzz…

    I never said it was his faith.

    I said it was how he showed it.

    Tebow was hated for showing his Christianity and his conservatism. Regardless of his abilities, this hurt rather than helped his career.

    Does anyone really want to deny this was the case?

  297. jason says:

    Hannity just repeats republican talking points ad nauseam over and over”

    You can take Republican out of that sentence.

  298. Bitterlaw says:

    Does anyone really want to deny this was the case?

    I deny it, GFY. Respectfully. Johnny Manziel is a scumbag and substance abuser. In Jason’s view of how the NFL addresses behavior, he should have been the MVP of the 2016 Season.

  299. NYCmike says:

    “Anyone who thinks Tebow wearing his religion on his sleeve and not being a scumbag didn’t hurt his NFL career is a moron.”

    Jason,

    Sure.

    The JETS would have dropped him for winning TOO MANY GAMES because he was NOT a scumbag.

    Belichek as well, when Brady was out. Belichek wanted to be liked by the people who hate Tebow, so he went 3-1 instead of 4-0 when Brady was out.

  300. NYCmike says:

    Did Tebow’s GOODNESS and CHRISTIANITY have anything to do with him NOT playing in the NFL?

    NO!

    Next question.

  301. NYCmike says:

    Corker? Haslam? Switching?

    Color me “not impressed”.

    If Haslam wants a new job, let him campaign for it. Give me Blackburn instead.

  302. jason says:

    I am glad NYC agrees with Bitter.

    Bitter is a smart guy, so there is always a chance I could be wrong when I disagree with him.

    Thankfully, it has been proven not be the case.

  303. jason says:

    I prefer Corker in the Senate.

    But I think they would be a slam dunk for both positions if they want to switch.

  304. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – There have been a few times when you found yourself on the same side as Bunu. I never held that against you.

  305. Bitterlaw says:

    Or maybe it was Robbie. Or NYC. It was somebody and I did not hold it against you.

    GFY.

  306. Tina says:

    Corker wont be missed

  307. Tina says:

    At it is drip drip drip in the wire tapping story.

  308. jason says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    April 19, 2017 at 4:15 pm

    Jason – There have been a few times when you found yourself on the same side as Bunu. I never held that against you.
    Bitterlaw says:
    April 19, 2017 at 4:27 pm

    Or maybe it was Robbie. Or NYC. It was somebody and I did not hold it against you.”

    These things happen. One day it might be your turn.

  309. jason says:

    As far as I know, I never agreed with Ron Paul on anything.

  310. Tina says:

    Tucker to take over bor. he has gotten a lot better than his cnn days when he wore the bow tie.

  311. jason says:

    I like Corker. First time he ran he was responsible for what I consider the greatest put down in American politics. Yeah, better than when Rubio slam dunked Jeb in the debate.

    At the time, his opponent, Harold Ford showed up uninvited at Corker’s press conference. Corker came over to talk to Ford in front of the cameras.

    “Ford tried to debate Corker on the spot, but Corker didn’t take the bait.

    “Tell me what do you think about this Iraq thing?” Ford asked. “I know you’re here to talk about my family.” Corker replied, “No, no. I’m here to talk about you.”

    Ford only went downhill from there.

  312. jason says:

    Tucker has gotten better and dropped the preppie look somewhat.

    His current M.O. of getting really dumb moonbats who say controversial things on his show and then destroying them has served him well, but he will need new material.

    Of course, if they give him even a fraction of BOR’s budget, he will have lots of money for material.

  313. NYCmike says:

    jason was willing to sit on the sidelines while Hillary was elected.

    From that point forward, his judgment and wisdom will always be questioned.

    His A-Hole bona fides should NEVER be questioned.

  314. Robbie says:

    Has there been any recent polling on the Montana special election in late May? I believe someone posted a poll here a week or so ago.

  315. jason says:

    jason was willing to sit on the sidelines while Hillary was elected”

    Zzzzzz…… nobody was more anti-Hillary than me.’

    Nobody was more critical of Hillary supporters/voters/excusers than me.

    Nobdy was clearer than the dire consequences of a Hillary victory than me.

    I have always said I would never regret following my conscience. And that holds true whatever the result of an election is.

    If you can’t accept that, go take a flying leap off the Empire State Building. And oh, GFY before you do it.

  316. jason says:

    of the dire consequences …not than …

    It’s martini time, my brain cells need replenishment.

  317. jason says:

    jason was willing to sit on the sidelines while Hillary was elected.”

    I think if there is one thing I don’t do here, is sit on the sidelines…

  318. Waingro says:

    I wasn’t a fan of Tucker’s full blown Trumpkin tilt during the election, but he’s drifted back away from that a bit and I’ve become a fan of his show.

    I’m not sure he can attract the same older demos that BOR brings in, but we shall see.

  319. jason says:

    I usually wait until 6 for the first martini.

    It’s NYC’s fault I am starting early.

    Tito’s with blue cheese stuffed olives tonight.

  320. jason says:

    Yeah, a lot of shuttle/courtesy bus and van drivers are going to be sad BOR left.

  321. Tina says:

    See if mayhem kelly would have waited….

  322. jason says:

    Pretty meteoric rise for Tucker.

    He was stuck for years as a sort of token conservative at CNN.

  323. jason says:

    Definitely she would have gotten the show.

    But don’t feel sorry for her she is making close to $20 million at NBC.

  324. Bitterlaw says:

    I like Megyn Kelly. I loved her question to Trump in the first debate – totally appropriate. Oh well. I haven’t watched any Fox shows in months because I am just not as interested in politics right now. December through June are basketball/softball months

  325. jason says:

    The highest paid TV personality is Judge Judy at 47 million however.

  326. Robbie says:

    I wish FoxNews had given the 9 PM time slot to Trish Regan. The Five bores me and Eric Bolling having his own show is laughable.

  327. JC says:

    @330 Bitterlaw

    That question actually helped Trump.

  328. Bitterlaw says:

    JC – I was hoping that question would have taken him out of the race. I can’t stand Trump. I only voted for him because I hated Hillary more.

  329. Tina says:

    See if mayhem kelly would have waited….

    She wiuld have been queen bee.

  330. Tina says:

    Imstead she is a has been.

    Me again mayhem became seldom seen losah.

  331. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    A series of “moral victories” in football gets the coach fired.

    Montana will be ugly for the Democrats.

  332. Tina says:

    I vote for shepardly smith for new prime time bor host.

    Make the leftward tilt complete.

  333. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    ” I can’t stand Trump. I only voted for him because I hated Hillary more.”

    I did not vote for Trump, and was leaning NEVERTRUMP. When he won was willing to give him a change. So far like a lot of what he has done, although his personality rubs me the wrong way.

    Also am not sure another Republican candidate would have taken the Midwest and beaten Hillary. Whether we like it or not, Trump won, caused the Republicans to holding Congress. He may have saved us from the abyss.

    Plus am beginning to enjoy his slap downs of his opponents, I can’t help it — he sort of grows on you.

  334. Tina says:

    Sdc, i did not vote in the r primary, it is a hassle to do so, but I always done it. Except 2016 since kasich went down. I did vote for trump in the geneal, as if it mattered out here.

  335. NYCmike says:

    “It’s martini time, my brain cells need replenishment.”

    -Time simply marches on……and the liquor industry is a pretty strong bet to stay profitable.

  336. NYCmike says:

    “Montana will be ugly for the Democrats.”

    -They do have a Dem Senator who has won re-election against a good opponent.

    It is not that far-fetched for them to win in Montana, is it?

    Don’t get cocky. Run every race as if you are 10 points down and Robbie isn’t worried.

  337. NYCmike says:

    http://standforsecurity.org/2017/03/02/muslim-security-workers-interfaith-groups-tech-workers-and-supporters-hold-massive-pray-in-at-amazon-hq-in-seattle-watch-video-footage-of-powerful-event/

    -Don’t really care about Amazon, and don’t really care about these workers “rights”.

    If these workers want to pray, go take a piss break and face Mecca before, while, or after.

  338. NYCmike says:

    “I’m not sure he can attract the same older demos that BOR brings in, but we shall see.”

    -My parents like his show, so he has those 2 already.

    My Dad will miss Watters World.

  339. Tina says:

    Jebots are rejoicing that bor is gone.

  340. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    342. “It is not that far-fetched for them to win in Montana, is it?”

    The Democrats that win in Montana are the folksy, rancher type, who claim to be moderate — like Tester. The candidate that the Democrats have this year is a leftist Sanders type, which will not sell there.

    Spend a lot of time in Idaho, and not so much in Montana, but what has happened there is a shift to the right lately. Missoula (college town) and a couple of other areas are still Democratic, but most the state has shifted Republican. Montana is mostly small town and rural. Billings with 100,000 is the biggest city, with the next Missoula and Great Falls at 50,000 each. There are not a lot of the disenchanted suburbanites the Democrats appealed to in Wichita and Atlanta.

  341. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    340. Hi Tina. Have you thought about getting on the permanent absentee ballot list in California. They send you a ballot in advance, and you can mail it in. Makes it more convenient.

  342. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    342. Agree with you, always campaign as if you behind. Never assume anything, my feeling is in the last two primaries there was some initial Republican complacency.

  343. Robbie says:

    A new Quinnipiac poll out today has Trump’s approval at 40%. On its own, that’s not a great number. However, their last poll had Trump’s approval at 35%. So from poll to poll, Trump has seen his approval rating climb by 5 points. That move, generally, matches the moves in Rasmussen and Gallup. Clearly, Trump’s more measured tone over the last three weeks, along with his strike on Syria and summit with China, has benefited him. Another month like this and he’ll easily be above 45% in the RCP average.

  344. Robbie says:

    I watched Rex Tillerson’s comments this afternoon about Iran and he’s quickly becoming a real highlight of the cabinet. He and Mattis should be on TV frequently. They deliver Trump’s message extremely well.

  345. Tina says:

    I am a decline to state and a permanent absentee, sdc. I meant to re register to vote in the r primary.

  346. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    352. I am the same.

  347. NYCmike says:

    “And so Pelosi’s picture was featured prominently in CLF’s digital and print advertising. The group, which plans to remain active in the runoff campaign, plans to use similar messaging in round two.”

    -The poor souls of GA-06, they will be bombarded with pictures of Pelosi thru June.

    Even Sherman might be more welcome after this run-off.

  348. Walt says:

    Enjoyed seeing nd putzing around Franklin, TN and a very nice dinner at Bricktops.

    Don;t tell Cash Cow, but I had a delicious prime rib.

  349. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    351. In an ideal world, Tillerson would be president and Mattis VP. But were in a crazy world, so are stuck with Trump.

  350. NYCmike says:

    Politics is a dirty game.

    Just from a “sleaze perspective”, it would be crazy to expect men like Tillerson and Mattis to be political animals.

    Trump fits the bill quite well.

    Give him his due.

  351. jason says:

    Trump fits the bill of “political animal”?

    A guy who ran for office for the first time at 70?

    This as someone who sold Trump as “not a politician, a businessman…

    I love it here….

  352. Wes says:

    I lost interest in having Handel be the nominee after her two statewide losses. Nonetheless, I hope she wins here. Thankfully NYCMike can’t dispatch his buddy Aron Day to GA-6 to split Handel’s vote and help Ossoff win.

  353. Wes says:

    Technically, Jason, since Trump was briefly a Reform Party candidate in 2000, didn’t he first seek office at age 54?

  354. Wes says:

    My takeaways from yesterday’s jungle primary:

    1) Democrats initially outorganized Republicans, but the GOP woke up in time to avert disaster.

    2) Both sides have things to crow about from the results.

    3) Neither side will be able to focus on next year’s metaelections as the parties did yesterday.

    As such, I regard the resilts as ambiguous. Handel needs a decidive victory in June to keep Dems from gaining momentum going inyo next year though.

  355. Wes says:

    Currently I’m sticking with my prediction of a 6/10-seat loss for Republicans in yhe House next year.

  356. jason says:

    361. I don’t think he actually ran a campaign or even campaigned in 2000, Wes, but even if technically he did seek office at age 54 it hardly mads him a “political animal”

  357. jason says:

    Wes, I will take a 6 seat loss in Congress right now. And a 3 seat gain in the Senate.

    I don’t think the Dems will take the deal, but maybe they should.

  358. NYCmike says:

    Key words:

    Politics is a dirty game.

    Just from a “sleaze perspective”

  359. NYCmike says:

    jason and Wes often make me laugh my Ossoff!

  360. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    In Montana you have a Bible-thumping, creationist tech guy, vs. a socialist country singer who is weak on 2nd Amendment rights. It will be colorful.

  361. Phil says:

    Has the Democrat stuck his foot in his mouth about guns? That would kill him in Montana.

  362. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    370. He said he supports Second Amendment rights, but favors a ban on assault rifles. You don’t say that in Montana, or any other mountain state.

  363. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Montana is not as Republican as Wyoming, Idaho or Utah, and “moderate” Democrats can get elected. The Democrats once campaigned against Zinke saying he was weak on the 2nd Amendment.

    But any hope the Democrats had in the special election was lost by nominating the leftist troubadour. If it had been a moderate candidate they had a chance, because the Republican candidate is quirky in a big way.

  364. Wes says:

    Democrats are hoping to run the daughter of a failed 1982 Senate candidate against Orrin HAtch. They point to Trump’s relatively poor showing last year in the state as evidence Hatch may be vulnerable.

    This of course overlooks the fact that all Utah congressional Republicans–including a fairly weak Mia Love–won reelection last year decisively while Trump won with a plurality because McMullin split his vote while Hillary ran behind where Obama had run in 2012.

    As an aside. Utah was one of only two states in 1992 where a major-party candidate finished third, That year, Clinton finished behind Perot in the state while GHwB finished third in Maine.

  365. Wes says:

    Utah last elected a Dem statewide in 1996. It last elected a Dem Senator–Frank Moss, whom Hatch subsequently crushed in 1976–in 1970. Since the 1990s, only two Dems–Bill Orton and Jim Matheson–have served in Congress.

  366. NYCmike says:

    “whom Hatch subsequently crushed in 1976–”

    -Nothing like citizen-legislators!

  367. NYCmike says:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/some-republicans-think-they-may-have-a-health-care-deal/ar-BBA3QjW?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

    “Republicans need 216 votes to pass their health care bill, and based on statements from GOP members, even with the support of the entire Freedom Caucus for the amendment, there may be enough moderate hold-outs to prevent passage anyway. (MacArthur doesn’t count as a convert; he supported the last bill, albeit reluctantly.)”

    On a different note, there was talk about a Supreme Court ruling which called the payments from the Feds to insurers illegal and unconstitutional. The Trump administration could stop paying that money, which would make more insurers leave Obamacare, which might lessen its current “popularity”, and also hasten its implosion.

  368. NYCmike says:

    “enough moderate hold-outs”

    -All-or-Nothing-Deadender-Moderates?

  369. NYCmike says:

    Last line in that Patriots link, pretty funny:

    “No word yet on if White House press secretary Sean Spicer will arrange a news conference to dispute the number of Patriots at the ceremony.”

  370. NYCmike says:

    IF ALL of the Democrats who voted against Tom Price in November had come out and voted for Ossoff, he would have won over 50% of the vote, it looks like.

    I thought the media said Democrats were really energized?!?

  371. Phil says:

    So the MSM’s latest shot at Trump concerns the number of Patriot football players in attendance at a WH ceremony? That’s supposed to be a story? It never ends does it.

  372. Bitterlaw says:

    If frogs had wings, they would not bump their asses on rocks.

  373. Phil says:

    Justice Kennedy has been giving hints he will retire this summer. A further hint is that unlike the other justices he has not interviewed law clerks for the next court session. Senator Grassley came out this week and flat out stated that he expects a court vacancy this summer.

    Expect a Democratic filibuster of the conservative nominated by the President to replace Justice Kennedy. Democrats will have no trouble rounding up 41 votes to block this appointment since it will determine the ideological direction of the Court for thr next decade at least.

    Oh wait, Schumer threw away the filibuster………never mind.

  374. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #378
    It appears that the juxtaposition of the Patriots’ White House photographs under Obama and Trump is nothing more then mischief-making by the media.
    The folks who are on the steps in the Obama picture were seated in the audience yesterday.
    The media knew this, but to make The Donald look bad, they published the photos anyway.

  375. NYCmike says:

    “Oh wait, Schumer threw away the filibuster………never mind.”

    -Up or down, my friend!

    Get these judges on the court!

  376. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #380
    It is hard to believe, but within a 24 hr. period after the GA CD-6 primary, The DOS kids contributed another $500,000 to the Ossoff campaign.
    It seems easy to “separate a liberal fool from his money”.

  377. Bitterlaw says:

    Thank you, Harry Reid. The filibuster died because of your shenanigans.

  378. Phil says:

    The runoff is two months away. Easy to see lefties pouring another ten million into the race. They will hit that easy. Let em!

    As far as a Supreme Court nominee goes, Trump needs to nominate a well qualified conservative woman. There are a good many out there. Make Democrats throw mud at a well qualified woman and see how that makes them look. Pass the popcorn.

  379. Robbie says:

    I’d be interested to read what Wes has to say about this article on Republican recruitment efforts for the Senate. My view is if we’re still waiting for a good number of top tier candidates to announce by July 4, then maybe we have an issue. For now, I’m not worried. I do agree with the piece though that Trump’s approval is going to be a factor.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/04/20/slow_pace_of_2018_senate_bids_a_growing_gop_concern.html

  380. Robbie says:

    The from RCP I posted about Senate recruitment suggested that Tim Fox has sent mixed signals about running against Tester in MT. I do know, from reporting, that Fox visited with the NRSC and attended Trump’s address to the Congress. But if he’s not interested in running, why not Denny Rehberg? Rehberg lost an extremely close race in 2012 due to a deadender Libertarian that was funded by a liberal group. I know rematches, generally, don’t go well for the one who already lost, but Shaheen showed rematches can be won when she defeated Sunnunu in 2008.

  381. Chicon says:

    Re: Supreme Court vacancy… Has Trump ever said that all vacancies will come from The List? I only recall him saying that for Scalia’s seat. Maybe Kennedy made a deal with Trump that he’d leave if Trump found a moderate to replace him…

  382. Robbie says:

    391

    Axios has reported the two names most likely to replace Kennedy are Kethledge and Kavannaugh. Both are former Kennedy clerks. Kavanaugh was not on the list, but should have been on the list.

  383. Robbie says:

    Was so smart to nominate her over Mike Castle.

    Shane Goldmacher?
    Verified account
     @ShaneGoldmacher 23m
    23 minutes ago

    More
    Christine O’DONNELL (of “I’m not a witch” fame) agrees to $25,000 settlement on personal use of campaign funds –>

  384. Wes says:

    I guarantee Limbaugh and Hannity will say nothing about O’Donnell today despite their full-throated support of Delaware’s Corruption Queen in 2010.

  385. Tina says:

    Well phil, the patriots story has replaced muh russia.

    I cannot wait for the indictments to the never trumpeters, jebots, drats, etc. that faked the russia ties story.

  386. Tina says:

    Mot a flattering picture of euro ryan on drudge.

  387. NYCmike says:

    Robbie and Wes – Let it go.

    I guarantee both of you will say nothing about incumbents who have been in office for 10,20,30, even 40 years, and have not developed any idea how to get the federal government to stop spending TOO MUCH MONEY.

  388. NYCmike says:

    More stories about those inflexible HFC members pushing All-or-nothing healthcare reform……..

  389. Robbie says:

    COD was and remains an absolute con artist. It’s sad some people fell for it.

  390. Robbie says:

    Trump’s rise in Gallup continues. After a low of 35% a few weeks ago, his job approval now stands at 43%. Tracking polls tend to bounce up and down, but the trend for Trump has been in the right direction over the last few weeks. I don’t think it’s any coincidence his job approval rebound has come just as he has presented a more measured demeanor and, apparently, sidelined Bannon’s populist, in-your-face governance style.

  391. Chicon says:

    400 – yeah, probably had nothing to do with the strike on Syria and the MOAB on the IS IS swine. Or getting Gorsuch on the Court. It must be his scolding of an aide….

  392. Tina says:

    Hou must round down to 35 percent.

  393. NYCmike says:

    “It’s sad some people fell for it.”

    -It’s even sadder that Mike Castle could lose to her in a primary.

  394. NYCmike says:

    “It must be his scolding of an aide….”

    🙂

  395. Walt says:

    Maybe HATCH is not CRACKED up for the job.

    Travel day.
    Driving home.
    About 4 hours to go.

  396. Cash Cow TM says:

    Who will we get in a war with first:

    –Syria
    –the NORKS
    –Iran
    –Rooshins
    –or maybe all at once?

  397. Robbie says:

    Trump’s polling rebound and more positive reviews have centered on his more presidential demeanor and tone. It’s no accident the adjustment happened just as he sidelined the person who has advocated an in-your-face style. Personnel matters.

    The actions against Syria and ISIS certainly have helped his standing, but all of that could have been erased had acted with the in-your-face bombast of the first two months.

    Rather than pop off about crowd size or send out dumb tweets, Trump has focused on tone and it has benefitted him greatly. How he responded in the aftermath of Syria, ISIS, and the Chinese summit has simply enhanced the effort he’s made.

    April has been a very good month for Trump.

  398. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    April 20, 2017 at 2:47 pm
    “It’s sad some people fell for it.”
    -It’s even sadder that Mike Castle could lose to her in a primary.

    – And it’s even sadder, Rush, Palin, Hannity, and Ingraham all fell for her crap and encouraged their listeners to fund her corrupt, dead end campaign.

  399. Tina says:

    Mcstuffin is corrupt, he wont pay his bills.

    Maybe he and mcamnesty can meet again with aq in syria.

  400. Wobbles says:

    Conclusion:

    I think Trump’s approval ratings have gone up because he now thinks more like me.

    It’s ok TLYAO.

  401. Robbie says:

    Le Pen continues to fade. Fillon might just surprise and make the runoff. Obama just tacitly endorsed Macron today as well.

    Taniel?
     @Taniel 35m
    35 minutes ago

    This is the penultimate day where French polls are legal! What we got:

    Macron 24/23/25
    Le Pen 23/22/21
    Fillon 20/20/20
    Melenchon 19/19/19

  402. Robbie says:

    Wobbles says:
    April 20, 2017 at 3:12 pm
    Conclusion:
    I think Trump’s approval ratings have gone up because he now thinks more like me.
    It’s ok TLYAO.

    – Wrong clown-who-hides-behind-a-parody-screenname. Trump’s approval isn’t climbing because he agrees with me. Trump’s approval is climbing because he’s acting more in line with how Americans believe a president should act. It’s got nothing to do with policy.

  403. NYCmike says:

    15% UNDECIDED?

    Isn’t that a little high right before an election?

  404. NYCmike says:

    “Trump’s approval isn’t climbing because he agrees with me.”

    (lightbulb lights up)

  405. Tina says:

    Look at his approval numbers on the economy. That is the key stat.

  406. NYCmike says:

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-gators/os-sp-aaron-hernandez-suicide-mike-bianchi-0420-story,amp.html

    -Disgusting human being this Hernandez.

    The fellow players who speak well of him are disgraceful.

  407. Chicon says:

    407 – LOL. That’s a good one…

    “He did a bunch of great stuff, but it would’ve never been noticed if he had said something dumb about a story nobody cares about.”

    You’re exceptionally good letting your biases get in the way of logical thought.

  408. Chicon says:

    Cop killed in Paris. Probably a false flag operation to help Le Pen.

  409. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    April 20, 2017 at 3:40 pm
    407 – LOL. That’s a good one…
    “He did a bunch of great stuff, but it would’ve never been noticed if he had said something dumb about a story nobody cares about.”
    You’re exceptionally good letting your biases get in the way of logical thought.

    – He did a lot of good stuff in his first two months as well (Gorsuch, cabinet selections, EO’s on trade), but his approval rating in RCP fell below 40% for a brief period of time. Why? He got easily sidetracked by crowd size complaints, a suggestion 3-5 million illegals voted in the election, and his tweets about wiretapping. His actions overtook his achievements.

    Now, he’s allowing his actions to take a backseat to his achievements and the result is a climbing job approval average.

  410. Tina says:

    Breaking News

    Russia not behind Wikileaks about dnc.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/cia-fbi-admit-wasnt-russians-leaked-docs-wikileaks-launch-manhunt-insider/

    We all knew that. Hmm, lets see. A staffer was killed in the summer….

  411. Tina says:

    My 2 cents, leak originated inside the dnc, ie a staffer.

  412. NYCmike says:

    GATEWAY PUNDIT?

    Ignore it.

  413. NYCmike says:

    Can I fly a plane now?

  414. Cash Cow TM says:

    I predict that the winner of the French election will have a last name that ends in an “n”.

  415. Chicon says:

    423 – do you constantly worry? Just to note, though, some positive thoughts from our own pilot today.

  416. Cash Cow TM says:

    Tina, I think a rogue group of CIA and FBI retirees were involved in the leaks. They know scoop on HRC and saw major threat to our nation.

  417. Chicon says:

    426 – you are one informed bovine. Does Walt know how lucky he is?

  418. NYCmike says:

    “423 – do you constantly worry?”

    -I constantly worry that I am not worrying enough.

    Yes, Robbie often makes good points…..but he is often overshadowed by Wobbles and Blobbie.

  419. Tina says:

    Fly yes

    Land no.

  420. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Press Report: “Attacker got out of a car on Champs-Elysees, opened fire on a police van with automatic weapon.”

    France and neighboring European countries have some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. Don’t appear to work, given the amount of terrorist attacks using “automatic” weapons. For some reason, criminals and terrorists don’t seem to follow gun laws.

  421. NYCmike says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDwCTKXCFW4

    “It’s like protecting your virtue – you have to learn to say “No.””.

  422. Wes says:

    Mike, it’s sadder even dishonest Tea Partyers such as Duelian convinced the DEGOP primary electorate Castle suoported Obamacare despite three votes against it and numerous public statements by him in opposition to the bill.

  423. Wes says:

    What’s even sadder still is that Republicans and Democrats in the 2010 primaries in Delaware had identical goals:

    Elect Chris Coons Senator.

    It’s just too bad Deadenders you support such as O’Donnell, Mourdock, and Day serve no purpose but to help Democrats win criyical Senate races.

  424. Senators Reid, Coons, Donnely, McCaskill, and Benett says:

    Mr. Wes, please stop confusing NYC with facts.

    We owe a lot to him.

  425. Chicon says:

    433 – I’m personally a fan of the Buckley rule: nominate the most conservative candidate who is electable. Of course, there is often a difference of opinion on who is “electable”

  426. Pitchaboy says:

    Health Care will pass House in the next couple of weeks.

  427. NYCmike says:

    “Health Care will pass House in the next couple of weeks.”

    -Not if Steve Bannon can “botch” it up!

  428. NYCmike says:

    “Of course, there is often a difference of opinion on who is “electable””

    -Yup.

  429. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    There should be no rush to do health care reform, they should take the time to do it thoroughly and do it right.

  430. NYCmike says:

    SanDiego,

    Even though I agree with you, at this point, after all of the finger-pointing by “Republicans” at the HFC, I say just pass something, and let’s see if the “Republicans” go along with the HFC compromises.

    Personally, I would have liked to see a much more robust communications strategy with all Republicans on point, telling the citizens WHY Obamacare is the cause of many of the problems, and giving them substantive reasons WHY our solutions would work much better.

    Alas, DC politicians on both sides are better at speaking to K Street than to Main Street.

  431. Chicon says:

    Panelist on Special Report sez the moderates are proving to be more immovable than the conservative members. Robbie most offended.

  432. Chicon says:

    441 – about health care….

  433. NYCmike says:

    “Panelist on Special Report sez the moderates are proving to be more immovable than the conservative members.”

    -I hope jason still wants to bring it to a vote, no matter what.

    Let’s all see who is FOR OBAMACARE, and who is NOT FOR OBAMACARE.

  434. jason says:

    I think the non-deadenders, which are 85% of the caucus, should play the same game as the deadenders.

    “If we can’t have everything we want, let’s keep Obamacare.”

    I don’t see what the problem is the “Freedom Caucus” has already made it clear they don’t care if Obamacare survives.

  435. jason says:

    t’s all see who is FOR OBAMACARE, and who is NOT FOR OBAMACARE.”

    We already know that….the deadenders already made that clear.

    Next question?

  436. jason says:

    o along with the HFC compromises.”

    LOL

    What “compromises”… these morons wouldn’t know a compromise if ran over them in a 40 ton truck.

  437. jason says:

    Let’s see if the non-deadenders are willing to play the same game.

  438. Robbie says:

    It’s fine and dandy the HFC and Pence are working on a deal that might get them some, but not all, of the HFC. Here’s the thing. A bill the HFC could support would be DOA in the Senate.

    The Senate, should the House pass a bill, would them craft its own bill. That product would almost certainly not look like the House bill. The two bill would then go to conference.

    If something was to ever come out of conference, there’s little if any chance the purists in the HFC would support it.

    Trump should move on to tax reform and infrastructure. Those are winners. Obamacare is not.

  439. NYCmike says:

    I love it when Robbie and jason flail about together, like a couple of kids, who don’t know how to swim, thrown in the deep end of the pool at the CYO pool in Coney Island.

  440. NYCmike says:

    Let me get this straight:

    I ask for an up or down vote, which I was also fine with a month ago, along with jason, but NOW, someone seems to be yapping a bit……and NOT ASKING for a vote.

  441. NYCmike says:

    Robbie is also doing a lot of yapping…..blamed the HFC on a daily basis a month ago, now that they are on board, he blames the HFC for being too successful in getting what they want……love it!

  442. NYCmike says:

    “If something was to ever come out of conference, there’s little if any chance the purists in the HFC would support it.”

    -I would love to get to that vote.

    Let’s see what the bill says, and see if it is worth voting for!

    Put it to a vote!

  443. NYCmike says:

    HFC is trying to make a deal that is good for the citizens of the country……Trump wants to make a deal…….let’s get a vote!

  444. NYCmike says:

    “I think the non-deadenders, which are 85% of the caucus, should play the same game as the deadenders.”

    -Heh!

    During the primary last year, when Trump was getting “only” 40% of the vote, ONLY “deadenders” were voting for him.

    Now the 40% is back down to 85% of Republicans.

    I guess the representation for the “deadenders” is NOT representing their voters very well!

  445. ?????????????????????

  446. Wes says:

    We know who’s for Obamacare, Mike:

    Coons, Donnelly, and Hassan.

    We also know who’s against it:

    Castle, Lugar, and Ayotte.

    We also know who helped the Dems supporting Obamacare win:

    O’Donnell, Mourdock, and Day.

    Naturally you supported the last three.

  447. NYCmike says:

    “Naturally you supported the last three.”

    -Yes, I supported their right to enter either a primary or a general election, if they followed all of the rules.

    You are AGAINST the election laws of these states?

    DO SOMETHING about it, instead of yapping on an internet blog.

  448. Walt says:

    We got home safely about 3 hours ago.

    On our trip, we found out that DJT is president of the people of TN.

    When we returned, we discovered DJT is still the president of the people of WV.

    Everyone we talked to would prefer Pence.

  449. Cash Cow TM says:

    Things are not always as they seem….

    DJT Job Approval
    Approve / Disapprove

    49-51 RAS
    43-50 Gallup
    43-50 PPP

  450. Cash Cow TM says:

    RAS is Likely voters.
    Others are RV (Recreational Vehicles, I think)

  451. Cash Cow TM says:

    WV U.S. Senate Race

    Joe Manchin
    $2.17 million in cash on hand–41% from TX, 14% from MY, 14% form Wash. D.C.

    Congressman Evan Jenkins
    $1.04 million in cash on hand, the bulk of his donations come from within state lines.

    See more at: http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news-politics/20170419/out-of-state-money-floods-potential-senate-race-in-wv#sthash.ShhJugC3.dpuf

  452. Cash Cow TM says:

    Oh, and Gallup polls some others poll “A”
    (I think that means they poll A-holes)

  453. PresidentPaul! says:

    388
    “As far as a Supreme Court nominee goes, Trump needs to nominate a well qualified conservative woman. There are a good many out there. Make Democrats throw mud at a well qualified woman and see how that makes them look. Pass the popcorn.”

    Not worth throwing the dice on that. Woman are always more liberal than men. Even at the so called “extremes” like Ingraham and Coulter this still holds true but they are rarely anarchists or antifederalists so you would have to be careful.

  454. wraith says:

    “Health Care will pass House in the next couple of weeks.”

    Obamacare #2 will pass House in the next couple of weeks.”

  455. Wes says:

    Granted, I’m no anti-choicer not only because I find the basis of the ideology flawed but also because misogynistic nutjobs such as Dick Mourdock and Todd Akin infest it; however, I can’t understand why the DNC would abandon a Mayor precisely because of his anti-choice views IN NEBRASKA.

    It shows the Democrats are becoming ideologically pure even to the point of potentially losing elections.

    That’s not a good sign for Manchin honestly.

  456. JC says:

    @ Wes

    I guess opposing murder makes you ‘anti-choice’. Nice logic there. Complete with ‘people who disagree with me are sexists!’ DERP.

    The real question to abortion is this; When does human life begin?

    This is the only question that matters. Everything else is political nonsense. Obviously, no sane person supports killing a child. That’s murder. Period.

    So when does a life begin? Scientifically, there are only two answers. The first is at the moment of birth – when the baby comes out of the mother’s womb. There’s just one glaring problem with this position. If you decide that this is the moment life begins, then you MUST admit that it is okay to crush a baby’s skull and suck out its brains just SECONDS before birth. You HAVE to agree with this, otherwise you’re just being a hypocrite. What? Are you going to claim that five minutes before birth it is wrong, but 5 months suddenly makes it okay? Why? Is it because the baby looks less human, therefore it’s suddenly fine? How the hell do we decide what arbitrary development stage makes it okay to terminate a life? How can you say that a baby during the second trimester is not a human, but a baby in the third suddenly is? It makes no sense. It’s unscientific. Either the baby is considered a human at birth or it isn’t.

    The only other scientific answer for when life begins is at the moment of conception. Scientifically, this is the moment when our DNA strand – our biological code – is created. This is the very first stage of human growth. From a single cell, we continue to grow and develop. Every single stage of life – from an embryo, to a baby, to a child, to an adult, to an old geezer – is just one part of human growth. How can you scientifically argue that the pre-birth stage is not human but the post birth stage is? Is it because the human is less developed? If you do, you must assert that it is equally arguable that a the toddler stage is less human than the preteen stage. And that a teenager is less human than the full adult.

    Of course, this is absurd. Either its a human or it’s not. If you think that life begins at birth, fine. But you must also accept that it is okay to kill a baby just minutes before leaving the womb. You can’t have it any other way.

    If you believe that life begins when our first DNA sequence is created, then you must conclude that every sequential stage of our growth is equally human and must be protected.

  457. Mr.Vito says:

    Howard Dean? @GovHowardDean
    Hate speech is not protected by the first amendment.
    8:13 PM · Apr 20, 2017

  458. JC says:

    @467

    This is the modern democratic party. They OPENLY espouse fascism, sexism, and segregation.

    They are the face of American fascism.

  459. Bitterlaw says:

    I have grown increasingly indifferent to the abortion debate. Abortion will always be legal. I think that it kills a human. I can’t stop it and I only ask that I not have to pay for it. Once the woman makes the choice, she owns it forever. If she becomes depressed or infertile I feel no sympathy for her.

    As for pro-choice men, let’s be honest about their greatest motivation. They are selfish and irresponsible and don’t want to be forced to pay for children that result from their good times.

  460. Wes says:

    Wow, JC! I obviously hit a nerve. When did I say people who disagree with me are sexists? My favorite Congresswoman, Kristi Noem, has exactly opposite views from mine on abortion. Never once have I accused her of sexism. In fact, I have contributed to each of her camapigns since 2010. Akin and Mourdock though are clear misogynists whose words during their campaigns cost them elections.

    As for your position, while I oppose use of abortion for birth control, it is not an issue to be decided by a bunch of bureaucrats in Washington as the anti-choicers want. I’d be perfectly happy to have Roe v. Wade repealed so states could regulate abortion as they see fit. As evidenced by ballot initiatives in South Dakota and Mississippi, we’d be at a status quo situation sans the Washington influence.

    I can’t have a baby, so unlike you, JC, I don’t believe I should dictate to a woman she must have a baby–especially if she’s a rape victim or may be personally endangered by the pregnancy.

    Politically your side has already lost the issue. You can’t create a constituency out of the unborn when the majority of people who can conceive and carry children are 18 or over and therefore able to vote. If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one. Trying to have Washington dictate control over women’s bodies especially in the case of traumatic pregnancies is not only a direct violation of so-called conservative principles of small government but also a politiclly untenable position rejected in both opinion polls and ballot intiatives in even the most conservative of states.

    In any event, feel free to adhere to an untenable political ideology. Speaking softly on the issue and tweaking it locally would serve you far better than bellicosely declaring abortion murder and trying use Washington to impose restrictions on the procedure.

  461. Bitterlaw says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4432542/Hernandez-notes-fianc-e-daughter-gay-prison-LOVER.html

    Aaron Hernandez was clearly a loving person. He wrote notes to his fiancé AND boyfriend.

  462. Bitterlaw says:

    I knew guys in college who used to go to pro-choice rallies only to hook up with girls. They said the girls appreciated how sensitive they were.

    The issue is decided and there is no need to lose elections over it.

  463. JC says:

    @470 wes.

    You didn’t address any argument at all. You just claimed that being male means you have to be okay with abortion (murder). It’s absurd. (And sexist)

    What is politically ‘popular’ is irrelevant. That doesn’t change the argument that a baby’s life should be protected.

    Of course you throw the ‘rape’ fallacy at me. The truth is, less than a fraction of a percent of abortions are due to rape. It’s hardly even a statistical blurp. The MAJORITY of abortions – to the tune of 99.9% – are because a couple were irresponsible, and decide that dispensing a life would be easier.

    Not that it matters in any case. It is punishing the baby for the actions of adults, regardless.

    No one, including a woman, has a right to murder a child. Period.

    And this IS what you support. You can try to hide it under the guise of ‘wimminz rights!’ all you want. It is still a practice of killing a child.

    Anyway, you pretty much admit that it is OKAY to crush a baby’s skull and suck out its brains with a vacuum 2 minutes before it is born. This is okay in your mind.

  464. JC says:

    “The issue is decided and there is no need to lose elections over it.”

    I guess blacks needed to accept segration… the issue is decided after all.

  465. Mr.Vito says:

    “I can’t have a baby, so unlike you, JC, I don’t believe I should dictate to a woman…”

    If you believe it is a living human, then the rest is irrelevant, and the position is perfectly consistent with libertarianism. This position is only relevant if you already do not see it that way, and then of course it is not consistent.

    “Politically your side has already lost the issue. You can’t create a constituency out of the unborn when the majority of people who can conceive and carry children are 18 or over and therefore able to vote.”

    Then we would have no child labor laws and no women’s suffrage. That’s what advocacy is for.

  466. Bitterlaw says:

    http://nypost.com/2017/04/21/kentucky-college-students-vote-to-give-free-tuition-as-reparations/

    “We demand reparations for the systematic denial of access to high quality educational opportunities in the form of full and free access for all black people (including undocumented, currently and formerly incarcerated people) to Western Kentucky University,” SGA members Andrea Ambam and Brian Anderson wrote.

    “This is something that I think is more importantly about sending a clear message than it is about actually trying to strive for the institution to actually give out free tuition to everybody,” Anderson told the student newspaper, College Heights Herald.”

    Interesting. I never realized that illegal aliens needed reparations, too. I’m sure those students will be happy when the people leaving jail show up on campus. What could go wrong?

  467. JC says:

    So which is it wes?

    Do you think life begins are birth, or at conception.

    I notice you didn’t answer.

    Because, scientifically, you can’t defend it.

  468. Mr.Vito says:

    If it were an accepted fact the growing fetus had rights, it would not matter whether the person was raped (which is what that issue really is about).

  469. Bitterlaw says:

    JC – If you want to lose elections over abortion, I respect your commitment. I think abortion is horrible and truly is killing a baby. However, there are not enough people who think that way.

  470. Mr.Vito says:

    “…it is about actually trying to strive for the institution to actually give out free tuition to everybody…”

    Uh huh.

  471. Bitterlaw says:

    Mr. Vito – I think tuition should be free and every student should have their own unicorn.

  472. Chicon says:

    One of my favorite among the moonbats is this – some of them want trees, animals, streams, etc., to have the right to sue people; but to a fetus, it’s “no rights for you!”.

  473. JC says:

    The French election will occur on Sunday.

    The best possible match-up would be between LePen and Fillon.

  474. Chicon says:

    Abortion is a unique issue, especially because of the severity of the event. To me, there’s a balancing of the rights of each party – mother, baby, perhaps father. People at the extremes of the issue see one of the parties as having no rights.

  475. Chicon says:

    484 – no matter who wins, the French will remain jacked up.

  476. Wes says:

    Scientifically, JC, it doesn’t matter. What matters is the politics of the issue. I have two kids I would never have dreamed of aborting. You’re free to try to lose elections on this issue as you like. I prefer to win on issues salient to Americans. That’s the difference between us.

    For the record, I vehemently oppose a procedure such as PBA. That said, I’d rather see that action outlawed at the state level rather than in Washington as the socons hypocritically want.

  477. Wes says:

    Well, JC, let me know how a blanket ban on all abortions works out for you. You lost on that issue in both South Dakota and Mississippi of all places. There are issues conservatives can win politically on. Abortion is one they have nearly a 100% record of defeat on.

    This is in contrast to civil rights, where the political mean, particularly after 1956, was beneficial to the disenfranchised. Anti-choicers have never achieved either majority or plurality support for their position in 45 years, rendering the comparison to the civil rights movement fallacious at best.

  478. JC says:

    Wes,

    Does life begin at birth, or at conception?

    Do you believe it is okay to murder innocent life for political expediency?

  479. Bitterlaw says:

    Where is Tgca? He loves to talk about ABORTION!

  480. Bitterlaw says:

    From the article:

    “Dr Debbie Argue from the ANU School of Archaeology & Anthropology said the results should help solve a debate that has been hotly contested ever since Homo floresiensis was discovered.

    She said: “The analyses show that on the family tree, Homo floresiensis was likely a sister species of Homo habilis.

    “It means these two shared a common ancestor.”

    Walt?

  481. Wes says:

    Honestly, JC, I don’t care. Since I can’t carry a baby or have an abortion, I’m not concerned with it.

    Feel free to continue to lose on the issue though. You’re just like Senate Democrats on the judicial filibuster:

    They picked an unwinnable position and lost. That’s your choice, but I don’t see the point in it.

  482. JC says:

    Wes,

    What’s your opinion on Rubio?

  483. NYCmike says:

    “That said, I’d rather see that action outlawed at the state level rather than in Washington as the socons hypocritically want.”

    -Socons want a federal ban, or a 50-state-by-state ban?

    As far as I know, they want the federal government to say that abortion is NOT A RIGHT, which would then allow the citizens of each state to decide for themselves, as they had been doing up until that “abortion” of a ruling.

  484. Chicon says:

    495 – Wes’s point is that some pretty conservative states did not vote for a total ban. My question becomes…what will the socons so at that point? What’s the next move then?

  485. Robbie says:

    I’ve still got my fingers crossed Fillon can surprise and make the runoff. I’m a little less optimistic today about his chances than I was yesterday simply because of the police shootings in Paris. That may swing just enough votes back to Le Pen that were inching towards Fillon in recent days.

    I do think there’s a chance both Le Pen and Fillon make the runoff, though. I think that for two reasons. First, the dynamics surrounding the election should favor the right leaning candidates. Hollande’s liberal presidency has been a disaster and that should mean a swing back to the more conservative viewpoint.

    Second, polls all across the world in recent elections have understated conservative voters. In Israel and Great Britain in 2015, polls understated conservative support and Likud and Tories both posted surprise (in terms of margin) wins. The same thing happened here in 2016 with Trump and Republicans all across the country.

    It would not surprise me to see conservative or right leaning voters comprise a larger portion of French vote than expected. If the trends of the last two years play out in France, Macron and Melenchon could see their support is overstated.

    I still see Macron vs. Le Pen as the most likely runoff, but I think the chance for a surprise is real.

  486. Robbie says:

    Just as I was typing my thoughts in 497, Ross Douthat tweeted he thought the terror attack in Paris helps Fillon. He believes that may be the case because Macron, until recently, had seen his vote share increase as voters left Fillon for him. If Macron’s loose immigration policies, in light of this attack, cause some to abandon him, Fillon could stand to gain. That would support eh possibility both Le Pen and Fillon could make the runoff.

  487. Cash Cow TM says:

    At Penn State, the student government passed a measure to spend their student government money to buy 35 gallons of coffee to give to students free during finals week.

    Michael–the true conservative–was one of only 9 to vote against it.

    h/t Facebook

  488. Wes says:

    Hey, JC, I know Rubio’s stance on abortion. I contributed to him in 2010 and 2016 regardless and voted for him in the 2016 primary.

    Now what’s your opinion on the fact that three times between them both South Dakota and Mississippi voted down blanker abortion bans by double digits?

    Do you think the majority of voters in those states–who would probably claim to be closer to you than to me on this issue–support murder?

  489. JC says:

    “Do you think the majority of voters in those states–who would probably claim to be closer to you than to me on this issue–support murder?”

    Yes.

  490. Wes says:

    Hey, Mike, Congress tried to pass a PBA ban about 11 years ago. I oppose PBA, but why didn’t so-called small government conservatives try to go the appropriate route and get bans through state legislatures? Why do socons want Washington to dictate policy on abortion?

    WHile on this subject, why did socons in Vrginia in 2012 try to force passage of a bill that would require women contemplating abortions to have cameras inserted into their vaginas for ultrasounds?

    That sounds pretty barbaric to me, but I understand you likely support such appalling measures.

  491. Wes says:

    501 explains exactly why you lose almost every time on this issue, JC. Thanks for making my point.

  492. NYCmike says:

    “WHile on this subject, why did socons in Vrginia in 2012 try to force passage of a bill that would require women contemplating abortions to have cameras inserted into their vaginas for ultrasounds?”

    -Where else would they be inserted?

  493. NYCmike says:

    As for the PBA ban, I see no issue with that.

    In regards to abortion, there is still an argument about when does life actually begin.

    When a PBA ban is involved, there is no argument. Life has definitely taken form, and is being snuffed out.

  494. NYCmike says:

    “Michael–the true conservative–was one of only 9 to vote against it.”

    -What was his reasoning? He is auditioning for the Ron Paul School of Politics?

  495. NYCmike says:

    The coffee would not really be “free”, would it? Don’t the students pay the money to fund the student government?

  496. NYCmike says:

    What did Michael want to do with the money?

    Buy more sports coats?

  497. jason says:

    I do think there’s a chance both Le Pen and Fillon make the runoff, though.”

    That would be great.

    Worst case scenario is Le Pen vs. the Stalinist.

  498. Wes says:

    So you’re perfectly fine with forced transvaginal ultrasounds, Mike.

    No wonder Virginia’s a largely Democrat statebthese days.

  499. jason says:

    I believe abortion should be legal in the first trimester.

    It should never be legal if the fetus is viable unless its a life or death situation for the mother.

    Partial birth abortion is murder.

    That’s it in a nutshell for me.

  500. NYCmike says:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/329798-pelosi-democrats-could-win-back-the-house-in-2018

    -I’ll start Robbie worrying on this…..

    **Trigger Alert** picture of Pelosi **

  501. NYCmike says:

    “So you’re perfectly fine with forced transvaginal ultrasounds, Mike.”

    -Actually, I thought the requirement was for a sonogram, not a transvaginal ultrasound.

    That said, if a person wants the state to pay for their abortion, that is not a crazy requirement of the woman seeking the abortion.

    Would I have pushed a bill without first conducting a multi-year PR campaign? Probably not.

  502. Barrett says:

    Agree with Mike. If the state is going to pay for the abortion, it’s not a lot to ask.

    And by the way, it’s not forced – the dems are always talking about choice, and she could CHOOSE not to do it.

  503. Wes says:

    Nice red herring, Mike. The bill didn’t limit forced transvaginal ultrasounds to people asking the state to pay for their abortions. It said any woman seeking an abortion must submit to having a transvaginal ultrasound. In other words, willingly or not, a woman contemplating an abortion must have a camera inserted into her vagina.

    Bob McDonnell and Ken Cuccinelli ran from that moronic bill as from a plague-carrying rat for a reason.

  504. Wes says:

    As far as PBA, I would never support such a thing. Even so, what was Congress doing passing a ban? I always thought conservatives wanted the states rather than Washington to dictate the majority of policy.

    Not when the socons aren’t getting their way in all instances locally, I suppose.

  505. Bitterlaw says:

    That’s it in a nutshell for me.

    The A-hole speaketh.

  506. NYCmike says:

    “Nice red herring, Mike.”

    -Wes,

    I also mentioned that I thought the bill was for sonograms, not ultrasounds.

  507. NYCmike says:

    “Not when the socons aren’t getting their way in all instances locally, I suppose.”

    -You are a very dismissive person regarding people who hold different beliefs from you.

  508. Wes says:

    I’m just pointing out the incongruity of calling for states’ rights while demanding Washington be the arbiter of things we want banned or regulated, Mike.

  509. Bitterlaw says:

    I know what I saw when my wife had her ultrasound exams with our children. I cannot imagine killing them in the womb. However, the law allows it. Except in the very cases of the life or health danger to the woman, rape and incest, I feel no sympathy for the woman. Own the choice and its consequences.

    I have made mistakes in my life. Nothing on that scale. I deal with it by always obsessing over them and looking back rather than forwards. Just because you can’t change the past is no excuse to not be scarred by it.

  510. NYCmike says:

    I guess socons think LIFE is one of those “inalienable rights”.

    So quaint of them…..

  511. Bitterlaw says:

    An interesting irony is that most pro-choice people I know are also against the death penalty. Most pro-death people I know are pro-life on the abortion issues. I’m willing to give the fetus a chance. The convicted murderer wasted their chance at life and need to pay for it.

  512. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    Yes, I find that irony is true amongst the people I know.

    Funny thing though, I would be willing to spare the murderers life and make him stay in prison for the rest of his life, so as to be consistent in terms of LIFE, while most “pro-choice” person will NOT make any compromises when it comes to THE RIGHT TO KILL BABIES.

  513. Wes says:

    Bitter, I’m both pro choice and pro death penalty.

    Mike is likely pro death penalty and definitely pro forced transvaginal ultrasound.

  514. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – I am pro-life/indifferent on abortion and pro-death penalty. I would actually expand the death penalty to include those who rape children.

  515. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    April 21, 2017 at 12:22 pm
    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/329798-pelosi-democrats-could-win-back-the-house-in-2018
    -I’ll start Robbie worrying on this…..

    – This has been a possibility from the moment Trump won last November. It’s just the way our system works. If he get’s his approval up around 50%, Republicans are fine. If his approval is in the low 40’s, Republicans are in trouble.

  516. Cash Cow TM says:

    Anybody want to come help Walt mow.

    I am booked up and cannot help.
    Lots of judge shows on TV…

  517. Robbie says:

    In a little more than three weeks time, Trump has climbed 8 points in Gallup’s tracking poll going from 35% to 43%. That’s solid progress. Clearly, the wiretap tweet and the healthcare debate took their toll on his standing in March. Fortunately, April has been a very good month for him.

    It will be interesting to see if 43% is the top of a range for him or if he can climb above this area and stay there. generally, 43% has been the high end of his polling in Gallup. If he climbs above and stays there for a while, it will be a real positive for him and will likely reinforce to him that his recent shift in demeanor has been good for him.

    That said, I’m just using Gallup as an example. Rasmussen showed similar movement. RCP still should serve as the most useful measure.

  518. Nostradamus says:

    It will be interesting to see if 43% is the top of a range for him”

    I predict at some point in his Presidency he will top 43%.

  519. jason says:

    “So you’re perfectly fine with forced transvaginal ultrasounds, Mike.”

    Hey, look, on the other hand he thinks statutory rape is a matter personal conscience.

    NYC was always well balanced in his hypocrisies.

  520. jason says:

    I do think people should understand cultural differences more (hint: Bitter’s hurtful snide remarks on llama husbandry”

    “A German judge has acquitted a Turkish man of rape, despite the fact that he forced a woman to have sex with him, and left her incapacitated. The judge argued that in “the mentality of the Turkish cultural circle,” what the woman “had experienced as rape” might be considered merely “wild sex.” The judge refused to convict the rapist, because “no intention is demonstrable.”

  521. jason says:

    So technically, according this judge, if you force a woman to have sex with you but intend it to be wild sex, not rape, it’s ok.

  522. Wes says:

    Well, then I think the Turk should be locked in a jail cell with an overly amorous homosexual who will have “wild sex” with him.

  523. NYCmike says:

    “Mike is likely pro death penalty and definitely pro forced transvaginal ultrasound.”

    -Wes,

    You did read the previous comment, didn’t you.

    Death penalty, in my view, can be used. BUT, if the “pro-choicers” wanted to get rid of abortion if I would allow the person on death row to be imprisoned for life instead of killed, I would take that compromise.

  524. Robbie says:

    Last night, Rachel Maddow tried to claim the riots in Venzuela were, in part, fueled by CITGO donating to Trump’s inaugural committee. That’s every bit as nutty as something Napolitano might say.

  525. Robbie says:

    Wes

    Did you ever read the RCP article I posted on Republicans becoming a antsy about the pace of Senate recruitment?

  526. JC says:

    @Robbie

    “Did you ever read the RCP article I posted on Republicans becoming a antsy about the pace of Senate recruitment?”

    ======

    The election is TWO YEARS away…

  527. JC says:

    “That’s every bit as nutty as something Napolitano might say.”

    =====

    Except Napolitano was right.

  528. jason says:

    An interesting irony is that most pro-choice people I know are also against the death penalty.”

    Not me.

    Abortion should be legal in first trimester and execution should be legal in all 50 states, Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa and Guantanamo.

  529. jason says:

    I know what I saw when my wife had her ultrasound exams with our children. I cannot imagine killing them in the womb”

    Zzzzzzz…..

    That’s like saying you support capital punishment but would not actually want your children to be executed.

    Duhhhhh….

  530. Robbie says:

    I see the Napolitano truthers are still active.

    Was Napolitano right when he said about 9/11, “it’s hard for me to believe that it came down by itself… I am gratified to see that people across the board are interested. I think twenty years from now, people will look at 9-11 the way we look at the assassination of JFK today. It couldn’t possibly have been done the way the government told us.”

  531. JC says:

    “Abortion should be legal in first trimester”

    ====

    Why do you decide that it isn’t a human in the first, but suddenly it is in the second?

    I don’t expect a rational answer. I expect a deflection – because that’s what people do when they can’t explain their positions logically.

    Either you believe life begins at birth, and support skull cracking two seconds before leaving the womb, or you believe that life begins at conception.

    There’s no middle ground. Either it’s a human life in the womb or it isn’t.

  532. JC says:

    @544

    Robbie,

    I don’t give a s–t about whatever crazy thing the guy said a decade ago. He was right about the Brit/CIA collusion to spy on Trump.

  533. Barrett says:

    I hold political/news figures to the same standard that I would hold myself.

    Ok, so Napolitano said some stupid crap years ago…well years ago I was pretty sure that I would have identified as “very liberal”…not so much anymore. We’ve all said plenty of stupid crap over our lifetimes.

    Nobody’s perfect. And because we expect politicians to be, we’ve given the media full reign to come down on any politician whose viewpoint is counter to the media’s agenda. It’s fine that the media acts as a “political watchdog”, but the fact that our society has let it become one of the ONLY (and biggest) political watchdogs is troublesome.

  534. Robbie says:

    No, Napolitano was NOT correct. He claimed Obama personally asked British GCHQ to spy directly on Trump so there would be no American fingerprints on it.

    The recent story about GCHQ was, in the course of normal intelligence sharing between the five powers, GCHQ passed along information regarding potential contacts between Trump associates. Big difference.

  535. jason says:

    Either it’s a human life in the womb or it isn’t.”

    LOL … you like making definitive statements and then supporting your own statements? Yeah, we all do actually.

    I don’t consider a fetus in the first trimester a human being. At 12 weeks a fetus weighs half an ounce. I do consider a fetus that is viable outside the womb as a human being. I understand there may be a gray area there so that is why I play it safe at first trimester.

    I respect the views of those who believe otherwise, however.

    No, I don’t expect you to respect my view because you are self righteous a-hole with a small a.

  536. Robbie says:

    Napolitano admitted a source for his GCHQ claim was none other than nutball Larry Johnson. Johnson was the one who claimed there was some phony tape of Michelle Obama saying nasty things about white people that would swing the 2008 election.

    Sorry, but anything that comes from Larry Johnson is a non-starter.

  537. jason says:

    I don’t support any 9/11 truther statements. People who make them should be ashamed of themselves.

    However, it doesn’t mean Napolitano cannot be right on something else.

    So far, nobody has proven him wrong.

  538. jason says:

    Right, Wobbie believes all the garbage that he reads in the MSM, a lot of it which has been proven wrong.

    Yet he has a whole list of real and imaginary “sources” that are non-starters. Coincidentally, none of these sources share with his views. That is why they have to be wrong.

    Remember when Wobbie claimed Trump got the surveillance story from Breitbart? Still waiting for a shred of evidence on that crock of crap.

  539. jason says:

    Share with his views?

    What’s wrong with those Inca schools?

  540. Cash Cow TM says:

    shred of evidence

    herds of evidence
    herd of dense vice
    dense herd of vice
    defend service ho

  541. Bitterlaw says:

    I respect the views of those who believe otherwise, however.

    Going soft, A-hole?

  542. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if JC is related to Michael Corleone.

  543. PresidentPaul! says:

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/04/heres-why-rush-survived-pressure-on-advertisers-while-oreilly-didnt/

    Interesting analysis of why Media Matter was able to easily take down O’Reilly but previously failed with trying to take down Limbaugh with same preplanned tactics.

  544. DW says:

    “I don’t support any 9/11 truther statements. People who make them should be ashamed of themselves.”

    I recall having a conversation once with a 9/11 truther who sincerely believed no plane ever struck the Pentagon, but rather it was a gov’t plot to explode a bomb there.

    I asked him where all the people are who boarded the plane alleged to have struck the building? Is the gov’t holding them for life in a secret prison camp somewhere?

    The person had no answer.

  545. PresidentPaul! says:

    Maddow figured out the Venezuela problem: it’s Trump not Maduro

    Headline is “Unrest in Venezuela over Trump donations”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/04/21/maddows-show-massive-anti-maduro-protests-unrest-venezuela-trump-donations/

  546. jason says:

    Bunu now interested in foreign policy?

    Who knew?

    Must of been on Infowars…

  547. Tina says:

    Yes, napolitano is right, in this instance about the wiretapping. Faux would have fired him otherwise and other accounts confirmhis findings.

  548. Tina says:

    PRESIDENT TRUMP: “I do not see a role in Libya. I think the United States has right now enough roles. We’re in a role everywhere. S

    War mcamnesty and goober are broken.

  549. lisab says:

    “Why do you decide that it isn’t a human in the first, but suddenly it is in the second?”
    ——————————————
    well, two seconds before birth the fetus is a viable human being. they have the same brain that they do after birth.

    a multi-cell blob at conception does not have the characteristics of a baby

  550. NYCmike says:

    “a multi-cell blob at conception does not have the characteristics of a baby”

    -I wonder if you have ever been pregnant….I don’t mean to get personal, but I know where I was when my wife called and told me that “a multi-cell blob” was showing a heartbeat.

    https://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-week-by-week

  551. lisab says:

    lots of animals have heartbeats

  552. NYCmike says:

    “lots of animals have heartbeats”

    -Aaron Hernandez DID have a heartbeat…..not anymore.

  553. lisab says:

    yup, and unlike a fetus he was undoubtedly human

  554. Tina says:

    Looks like lepen may be rising.

    Jebots to be triggered.

  555. Bitterlaw says:

    I have my doubts about whether Hernandez was human.

  556. jason says:

    There is only one conservative in the French election and that is Fillon.

    The other 3 are socialists in varying degrees.

  557. Bitterlaw says:

    My pro-choice 8th grade daughter tells me that a fetus is not human. My response is that her argument would have more weight if she had ever seen a case of a human woman giving birth to a puppy. Until a woman does that, I am certain that pregnant women will deliver a human baby.

  558. Bitterlaw says:

    Remember when lisab was a pro- life Utopian Socialist? I guess she evolved.

  559. Wes says:

    WHISKEY!!!!!!!!!!

  560. lisab says:

    “I am certain that pregnant women will deliver a human baby.”

    will … future tense

  561. lisab says:

    and i am still very much pro-life in almost all circumstances.

    JC said he did not understand how anyone could think human life did not begin at conception.

    i merely point out there is a several month window where the fetus is certainly not a baby

  562. lisab says:

    Iran to Renew Request to Import 950 Tons of Uranium…

    wcpgw

  563. lisab says:

    EXCLUSIVE: Aaron Hernandez left behind a handwritten suicide note for his gay jailhouse LOVER – who is now on suicide watch – and two more for his fiancée and four-year-old daughter

    Investigators found three handwritten notes in Aaron Hernandez’s cell next to a Bible that was open to John 3:16

  564. lisab says:

    fyi john 3:16 was one of the bible verses tim tebow used to wear on his eye shadow

    sic enim dilexit deus mundum ut filium suum unigenitum daret ut omnis qui credit in eum non pereat sed habeat vitam aeternam

  565. jason says:

    I didn’t agree when NYC claimed opposing statutory rape would lose votes for the GOP, but I do agree trying to overturn Roe vs. Wade does.

    About 70% of American oppose overturning Roe vs. Wade, at least in its entirety. Even a third of Republicans think abortion should be legal in all or most cases. Overturning Roe vs.Wade is opposed by 75% of college graduates. 72% of women. 73% of people under 50. Even half of evangelicals and 60% of Catholics.

    I have no problem with some of the state level restrictions that are supported by the voters in those states. I think PBA should be illegal.

    But anything more than that will have the opposite effect. It will just elect more Democrats.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/03/about-seven-in-ten-americans-oppose-overturning-roe-v-wade/

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/26/5-facts-about-abortion/

  566. Mr.Vito says:

    Saying it is a blob of cells is not entirely accurate… a brain dead person is a blob of cells with no coordination of the organs to regenerate and sustain life.

    An embryo and fetus is an organism working to develop itself in a coordinated way to generate and sustain life. If it had already been declared human, then it would scientifically not be declared dead. If it were known a “dead” person with the aid of a feeding tube would repair itself and be fully functional in a few months, no one would pull the plug.

    Again, people choose how to approach this, but they need to stop pretending it is cut and dry.

  567. Mr.Vito says:

    One thing that is obvious is that passing through a vag.ina doesn’t confer personhood on something. PBA is an abomination.

  568. Wes says:

    In case anyone misconstrued what I said about PBA, I wasn’t i support it. I was questioning how conservatives can claim to want to get Washington out of everything while supporting national bans on things. It doesn’t decrease federal expenditures or influence in any way to establish a new national regulation. Conservatives claim to hate Roe v. Wade because it creates rights not mentioned in the Constitution and overturns local laws.

    Fair enough.

    Of course their solution becomes to create a new law on the federal level.

    Why not pass laws on the state level banning the procedure? Is it because they won’t get their way every time? Well, too bad. We need the federal government involved in issues not explicitly within its purview as little as possible.

    That’s why I advocate letting the states dictate these things as they see fit.

    Conservatives realize even overturning Roe v. Wade would likely result in a mostly status quo situation as attested by the fact that South Dakota and Mississippi rejected strong anti-abortion measures decisively. Thus, their small-government principles go by the wayside, and Washington becomes their primary focus.

    That’s abject hypocrisy and something I reject wholeheartedly. It would be consistent with conservative principles as well to pass things in the states rather than in Washington, but consistency is not a consideration of either end of the political spectrum when seeking a desired end.

  569. Mr.Vito says:

    If they found an embryo in a pool on Saturn that develops into a being, they would be screaming LIFE! WE FOUND INTELLIGENT LIFE ON ANOTHER PLANET!

  570. Wes says:

    Considering Saturn has no surface, I can safely say we have a 100% chance of finding nothing a pool there.

    Robert L, Forward’s Rukhs are the only logical thing that could exist in a gaseous giant such as Saturn.

  571. Mr.Vito says:

    Scientists say Saturn has a “surface” after a certin pressure is reached, and the hydrogen becomes liquid as you approach the center.

  572. lisab says:

    If it were known a “dead” person with the aid of a feeding tube would repair itself and be fully functional in a few months, no one would pull the plug.
    —————————————

    well if you had to carry the “dead” person around inside you for those few months

    and then had the dead person come out your genitals

    and then faced severe social stigma for being a single dead person bearer

    they might opt to pull the plug

  573. Mr.Vito says:

    Clearly…since they do. Personhood is thus at this time a factor of location, timing, and convenience.

  574. Mr.Vito says:

    Since in the USA all men are created equal and endowed with certain unalienable rights by their Creator, it behooves the powers that be to do a better job of making the determination of when and by whom that creation occurs.

  575. jason says:

    Again, people choose how to approach this, but they need to stop pretending it is cut and dry.”

    Fair enough. That is why I risk my A-hole reputation by saying I do understand those that view any fetus in any stage of development as a “human being”.

    I don’t share that view and I think its a loser in political terms.

    I also think we have a lot bigger fish to fry.

  576. jason says:

    they found an embryo in a pool on Saturn that develops into a being, they would be screaming LIFE! WE FOUND INTELLIGENT LIFE ON ANOTHER PLANET!”

    Huh, not really. That would be a statement referring to a new type of being found, rather than claiming that particular embryo was intelligent.

    I think I understand the argument. Any “potential” human being should be considered a human being. I don’t buy it, but its perfectly logical.

  577. lisab says:

    no matter when a fetus becomes a human being

    the woman would still be risking her life, her health, her career and her reputation by carrying to term,

    so the pro-choice people would say they are not willing to do that, and it is not your business.

  578. JC says:

    “the woman would still be risking her life, her health, her career and her reputation by carrying to term,”

    =======

    Then one could argue that a single, impoverished mom would be risking her life, her health, her career, and her reputation by raising her child to adulthood…

  579. Cash Cow TM says:

    Are we going to have a French election thread?

    French election

    flench erection

  580. lisab says:

    well, once the child is born

    a woman could choose to give the baby up for adoption. no one is forcing the woman to be a mother once the child is born.

  581. Mr.Vito says:

    “so the pro-choice people would say they are not willing to do that, and it is not your business.”

    As I already said, personhood is currently about timing, location, and convenience.

  582. Mr.Vito says:

    And if the fetus were determined to be a human being, the constitution wouldn’t care what they would say.

  583. Mr.Vito says:

    Rob Quist announced that he has raised 2 million dollars.

  584. Mr.Vito says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4294310/Topless-French-presidential-election-candidate-arrested.html

    This happened in March, but I thought Wes might appreciate the Pleasure Party candidate.

  585. lisab says:

    “And if the fetus were determined to be a human being, the constitution wouldn’t care what they would say.”

    these days the majority of people in the usa believe the constitution grants women the right to not have the government invasively control their bodies

  586. Mr.Vito says:

    The majority believe that because they currently do not have to consider the fetus as a human being. Ergo, the point stands.

  587. PresidentPaul! says:

    Cub Swanson fights tonight at 10 eastern of Fx1 in addition to a good NBA slate.

    He’s one of most entertaining fighters I’ve seen. Listen to him talk about his multiple injuries here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_SCZGMh_3k
    ,

  588. Mr.Vito says:

    In fact, if the fetus were recognized as a human being, that very reasoning protects the child from invasive procedures.

  589. lisab says:

    no, because even if the fetus was considered a full human being, which it is obviously not at early stages of development

    that would still not give the government the right to violate a woman’s body invasively.

    the government has no right to even know if a woman is pregnant, never mind do anything about it.

  590. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv00G3VdcCk

    Cub Swanson highlights/story

  591. Mr.Vito says:

    Nope. If it is human and has rights, the most fundamental is to live… no one is invading anyone except the pen.is that the woman allowed in there in 99% of the cases.

  592. PresidentPaul! says:

    idk though it’s still her body though. Would we criminalize mothers who drink alcohol, tobacco, or drugs or if they refuse to take their prenatal vitamins. Usually this has never occurred.

    If she should take plan B etc would that be criminalized or if she chose to go on a hunger strike which would also terminate the pregnancy should that be criminalized? Or if she should decide to take up marathon running.

    Seems hard to regulate what abortion to me.

  593. Mr.Vito says:

    IF it is a human being, THEN it is not her body.

    The conditional seems to be difficult here.

  594. Bitterlaw says:

    Lisab is pro-life as long as life begins at birth.

  595. Mr.Vito says:

    If I choose to ac.cept child.ren into my home or veh.icle or care, and I do something reck.less, and they die, I am on the ho.ok… I will also be considered sc.um for the rest of my life.

    IF the fe.tus IS a human you ac.cepted into you and you do something reck.less, and they die, then…

    These things are exactly why no one even wants to even touch making the definition.

    You cannot go on a hun.ger strike and not feed your k.id without going to ja.il.

    Again, it beh.ooves the powers that be to add.ress when and from whom person.hood is conf.erred.

  596. Mr.Vito says:

    Geez, HAL.

    It didn’t like home or vehicle or care with slashes instead of ‘or’.

  597. lisab says:

    i am pro-life, but like 99% of democrats and libertarians and even some mainline conservatives

    do not want the state to govern my body

  598. messy says:

    Tomorrow France votes, and three quarters of the people don’t want any of the four top candidates.

  599. Mr.Vito says:

    Democrats not wanting the state to tell people what they can and can’t do with their bodies is a new one.

  600. Mr.Vito says:

    True libertarians, sure.

  601. lisab says:

    officer: (knocks on window) do you know why i pulled you over?

    lisab: no officer.

    officer: it looks like you have gained a couple of pounds recently

    lisab: i don’t think so sir

    officer: then why are you wearing boyfriend jeans and not skinny jean?

    lisa: i was out clothes shopping … boyfriend jeans are easier to change …

    officer: shopping eh? what do you have in the bag? is that a victoria’s secret b-cup bra there?

    lisa: oh that? i bought that for a friend …

    officer: is that an open container of ginger ale and some ginger gummies on the seat there?

    lisa: oh … um … i have a license for those …

    officer: i’m not gonna find some dunkin donuts or oatmeal raisin cookies in your trunk now am i?

    lisa: do you have a warrant?

    officer: oh so that is how you want to play it? ok, out of the car … (slams lisa against the car hood) … i am gonna have you take a field pregnancy test …

    lisa: i refuse! i know my rights, i want a lawyer

    officer: a lawyer!?! what do you need a lawyer for? are you feeling a little morning sickness? a little queasy are we?

    lisa: again, i want a lawyer! i invoke my right to remain silent until said lawyer is provided to me!

    officer: oh a tough girl huh … you think you have rights!? you think this is the 1990’s?! you stay right here. i am going to make a little call to the apothecary … and if i find out that you haven’t been taking birth control, you are looking at 9 months in the big house sweet cheeks … (goes to squad car)

    lisa:(runs for it)

    officer: (draws weapon) POLICE FREEZE!!! (BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!) CENTRAL! i have a petite white woman, suspected pregnant, running through the alley at first and chestnut! request backup now! (BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!)

  602. Mr.Vito says:

    “officer: it looks like you have gained a couple of pounds recently”

    lisab gets pulled over a lot is the moral of the story

  603. Mr.Vito says:

    As long as you don’t have a super sized soda, you’ll be fine.

  604. PresidentPaul! says:

    “You cannot go on a hun.ger strike and not feed your k.id without going to ja.il.”

    So the mother has to eat? Who is to decide what is enough food?

    Maybe the person who is eating the food.

    What if she wants to run ultra marthons along with her minimal diet?

    Should that be illegal?

  605. PresidentPaul! says:

    #1 reason to always support and vote for transgender bathroom policy and gay marriage etc is to help get out the Christian voters who would otherwise vote democrat.

  606. Mr.Vito says:

    “Who is to decide what is enough food?”

    The government decides this all the time… if you neglect your kid in their opinion, you will go to jail. IF a fetus is a human child, then I would expect consistency. I would just like to emphasize the entire point of this exercise again

    (1) IF…
    (2) these questions are exactly why no one wants to address a definition

  607. Mr.Vito says:

    If I don’t feed my kid, I overfeed my kid, I don’t supply my kid with proper nutrition, and I’m caught, then I will hear from the government.

    Same thing for my dogs I have chosen to put into my care… my dogs have more rights than a fetus, because it is not considered alive, let alone human.

  608. PresidentPaul! says:

    It’s not a kid until birth. Simple.

  609. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    April 21, 2017 at 11:30 pm
    There is only one conservative in the French election and that is Fillon.
    The other 3 are socialists in varying degrees.

    – This is a point that is totally missed by 90% of conservative pundits in America. Other than a reactionary immigration policy, Le Pen is only slightly more conservative than Bernie Sanders. On top of that, she is an open ally of Putin.

    Sadly, the talk radio hucksters like Rush and Laura Ingraham have sold their listeners a lie about Le Pen. They portray her as a conservative when, in fact, she’s little more than socialist populist like Hollande, their current president.

    I’ve still got my fingers crossed Fillon can make the runoff.

  610. Wes says:

    Constitutionally the 14th Amendment limits rights to those already born, so from that perspective there should be no further debate.

  611. Wes says:

    Is Limbaugh still pretending to be conservative? I would have thought he’d given up on that sham by now.

  612. Robbie says:

    I’ve never been one to claim any inside sources, but I do trade emails, occasionally, with a conservative commentator of note who is part of the judicial nomination battles. This person even helped in the confirmation battles during the GWB presidency.

    Anyway, this person has told me DC is rife with rumors about an imminent retirement from the Supreme Court and, almost certainly, it will be Anthony Kennedy.

    This person also told me the names currently floating as replacements are much like the names from this past January. In other words, Pryor, Hardiman, Kethledge, and Kavanaugh. Apparently Diane Sykes didn’t impress Trump.

    It seems Pence favors Kethledge and Kavanaugh while Sessions remains supportive of Pryor. The one name, though, that is viewed as a wildcard in the process is Miguel Estrada. The possibility of nominating a Hispanic is not lost on Trump, especially one who became s symbol of judicial obstruction in the GWB years.

    I would be ecstatic if Trump chose Miguel Estrada. He’s only 55 and he has long been viewed, not as another Scalia, but as a Clarence Thomas or Robert Bork. It would also be wonderful to get Estrada on the Court after what Schumer did to him in 2001, 2002, and 2003.

    Kethledge, Kavanaugh, and Estrada are all Kennedy clerks (notice a trend?). If Estrada really was in the mix, it would be a close call for me between Kethledge and Estrada. Kavanaugh would be fine too. I still think Pryor might not get through due to his abortion comments.

    Anyway, there’s my possible scoop. Miguel Estrada could be nominated to the Supreme Court.

  613. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    April 22, 2017 at 7:41 pm
    Is Limbaugh still pretending to be conservative? I would have thought he’d given up on that sham by now.

    – Oh yeah. And he’s got his mind numbed listeners calling him the only conservative who gives them hope.

  614. Wes says:

    Nothing says conservative like rampant drug abuse and a string of divorces and trophy wives,

  615. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Constitutionally the 14th Amendment limits rights to those already born, so from that perspective there should be no further debate.”
    ________________________________________
    So, what about a State law where a woman who is 8 months pregnant is shot and killed (and the unborn child inside also dies) and the person who did the shooting is charged with two homicides?

  616. Robbie says:

    Louise Mensch, whose story on November 7 2016 kicked off the wiretap story, has, according to Buzzfeed, accused over 200 people of being Russian stooges since Trump was elected.

    This woman seems to have had a break with reality. She has even claimed Putin was responsible for the Ferguson riots in 2014.

  617. NYCmike says:

    Agreed!

    Nominating Estrada would be wonderful payback!

  618. NYCmike says:

    and pretty good politics as well. Would love to see the comments from MD, Author, and “CG” if that was to happen.

  619. NYCmike says:

    Cheers!

  620. Phil says:

    Estrada would be great! Especially since he was deliberately filibustered from becoming a Circuit Court judge by Democrats fearing he would be a future Supreme Court Justice. It was completely political. The left knew he would be their worst nightmare – a young, Hispanic conservative Supreme Court nominee.

    How ironic if he got their anyway.

  621. Wes says:

    Corey would say Estrada was a token intended by Trump to cover up the latter’s latent Nazism.

    Author might–MIGHT–give Trump a second look.

    MD would say Estrada is a Vichy Republican for accepting an appointment from Trump.

  622. Wes says:

    Walt, I have no problem with those state laws. If they were challenged in federal court though, the wording of the 14th Amendment could be construed to overturn them. I rather suspect the federal judiciary would punt if faced with the question of the constitutionality of such laws.

  623. JC says:

    @Robbie

    Conservatives don’t give a damn about any French politician’s economic/social views. It’s irrelevant.

    They support LePen because she is anti EU, and her election will help kill this Frankenstein monster of unchecked globalization.

  624. Tina says:

    MSNBC’s Maddow: Venezuelans Are Rioting Over Donations to Trump’s Inauguration

    Only in jebot land could this be true.

  625. Tina says:

    Hopefully, the ex kennedy clerks have nothing more in common with squish justice kennedy.

  626. Tina says:

    And hopefully, mark lievine and the carnival cruz are no longer vetting nominees.

  627. Cash Cow TM says:

    Earth Day

    death ray

  628. Cash Cow TM says:

    When are HHR posters going to organize a march about this or that?

    When it happens, I am IN!

  629. Tina says:

    March for limoncello and opis. I am out if bith.

  630. Tina says:

    Of both*

  631. Bitterlaw says:

    LePen is actually the anti-immigrant racist that American liberals believe Trump to be. I hope she does not make it to the second round of voting.

  632. Bitterlaw says:

    lisab is pro- life but is fine with all abortions. Got it. Well, I support the 2d Amendment and have no interest in owning a gun. We are all strange cats.

  633. jason says:

    Le Pen won’t be President unless she and the Marxist make into the second round.

    And note to JC, globalization isn’t going anywhere.

  634. jason says:

    If Estrada is nominated I will credit Wobbie with the scoop.

  635. Mr.Vito says:

    “Constitutionally the 14th Amendment limits rights to those already born, so from that perspective there should be no further debate.”

    ha ha ha

    He is kidding, right?
    It says all persons born (in) or naturalized (in)… are citizens. It specifically goes on to use the word person instead of citizen when talking about life, liberty, property, etc… because, of course, not all persons are citizens and they still have rights.

  636. Cash Cow TM says:

    Wake up, sleepyheads.

  637. Cash Cow TM says:

    Resist

    sister

  638. messy says:

    648 The proper term is “neo-commie.”

  639. Cash Cow TM says:

    OK.

    How about we start a nationwide group called
    B.O.V.I.N.E. and organize a nationwide march that will include MILLIONS!

    B ridging
    O ur
    V arious
    I ndividual
    N atural
    E xpressions

    “…and a Cow will lead them.”

  640. Cash Cow TM says:

    OR

    how about forming a group called R.E.A.S.O.N.?

    R esponsible
    E nergetic
    A mericans
    S upporting
    O ur
    N eighborhoods

    The far left protesters would then be labeled
    Anti-REASON. Giggity!
    ______________________
    Though feminists would protest that the last three letters —SON, implies we do not like women

    And some far leftists would not like it that the “A” in REASON stands for “American”

  641. Cash Cow TM says:

    Whatever group we form, we just carry various signs with nothing written on them but initials, like:

    TLC
    ASAP
    STAT
    LS/MFT
    FIFO, LIFO, NIFO
    GWTW

  642. JC says:

    @Jason
    “And note to JC, globalization isn’t going anywhere.”

    ====

    In the sense that the scourge that is envy politics (marxism/socialism) will never truly leave humanity because humans themselves are envious/greedy… yes that’s true.

    However, ‘globalization’ is not some inevitable governing quality that exists because of technological advances, as many believe. Technology simply makes it easier.

    Globalization, at heart, is the eradication of a nation’s sovereignty in terms of economic, trade, and immigration policy. It takes away a people’s right to determine the direction of their nation’s laws and culture. It, by nature, removes power from a nation’s citizens and concentrates it into a small group of permanent ruling classes – including wealthy donors who are often not even a citizen of the country.

    It encourages unchecked mass migrations with no concern of the economic, societal, or security consequences to the native population. It encourages importing unskilled, poor migrants who get locked into welfare programs with the single purpose of creating a permanent voting block for the ruling class. All at the expense of declining living standards of the native population.

    Globalism, in a nutshell, is marxism on a grand scale. Whereas the latter redistributes wealth from within a single nation until everyone is equally poor and dependent on the government, globalism does so across entire continents. Globalists believe that one nation having more wealth and prosperity than another is the result of unfair and unjust practices. Their ultimate ‘utopian’ end-goal is to have the entire world on an equal, economic playing field. IE The west has too much wealth – it must be redistributed to poorer nations.

    And while it may truly never leave us – as war will truly never leave us – it will also never succeed. Because the end result is making successful people – and successful countries – poor and stripping away their rights. And people won’t accept that, especially when the inevitable economic collapse/food shortages begin. Either by elections or by violent coups, the ruling class will be overthrown. In the end self-preservation will always win. Always.

    And then history repeats itself in the next few generations…

  643. Cash Cow TM says:

    And:

    WWCD

    (What Would Cow Do)

  644. JC says:

    @Cash Cow
    OK.

    How about we start a nationwide group called
    B.O.V.I.N.E. and organize a nationwide march that will include MILLIONS!

    B ridging
    O ur
    V arious
    I ndividual
    N atural
    E xpressions

    “…and a Cow will lead them.”

    ======

    Sounds like the beginning of a neo-fascists movement…

    We’re watching you.

  645. Cash Cow TM says:

    My sources say the next two big leftist created street marches planned will be:

    May 1 (May Day)
    Mothers’ Day (Mothers Against Trump Day)

  646. Tima says:

    Yup, big scoop about the rumours of a sc justice retiring soon.

    Yuge news!!!!

    Made by day learning something here that was not already reported weeks ago.

  647. Tima says:

    Drats have transitioned from white hoodies to Antifa, uh aq like garments.

  648. Robbie says:

    JC says:
    April 22, 2017 at 9:45 pm
    @Robbie
    Conservatives don’t give a damn about any French politician’s economic/social views. It’s irrelevant.
    They support LePen because she is anti EU, and her election will help kill this Frankenstein monster of unchecked globalization.

    – Then you’d have no problem with Melenchon either since he wants out of the EU as well?

  649. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    April 22, 2017 at 11:57 pm
    If Estrada is nominated I will credit Wobbie with the scoop.

    – The person with whom I spoke only said that Estrada could be the wild card in the process. I’d love to see him nominated though.

  650. Robbie says:

    Tima says:
    April 23, 2017 at 8:54 am
    Yup, big scoop about the rumours of a sc justice retiring soon.
    Yuge news!!!!
    Made by day learning something here that was not already reported weeks ago.

    – Tinfoil, my piece of info wasn’t that a Supreme Court Justice might retire. It was that Estrada might be a finalist to be chosen.

  651. Tima says:

    So, in a new drat plus 7 poll, trump defeats her thighness by 3.

    Despite record low approval.

    Yup, scientific polling.

  652. Tima says:

    Poll was a recent abc poll fwiw.

  653. Tima says:

    1st 100 days
    96% say they’d vote 4 Trump again
    67% say Democratic Party is out-of-touch

    Yes out of touch and unhinged. Crom white garments to aq garments.

  654. Tima says:

    I disagree, person claims that russia. Gate ended with the strike on syria.

    It was ending because no ody in congress wants to investigate the never trumperters, jebots, mcamnesty role in it.

  655. Tima says:

    Lol, major scoop from kos kido.

  656. Bitterlaw says:

    Breaking News- All of the French candidates suck.

  657. Robbie says:

    Tima says:
    April 23, 2017 at 10:39 am
    Lol, major scoop from kos kido.

    – Funny coming from tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist who uses Mike Cernovich and John Nolte as news sources.

  658. Tina says:

    Mamas basement must be realky cold, kos kiddo.

  659. Robbie says:

    Danny Blanchflower?
    @D_Blanchflower

    Belgian media reporting as follows based on exit polls

    Macron 24% Le Pen 22%, Fillon 20,5% Mélenchon 18%

  660. Chicon says:

    664 – I would very much enjoy Estrada being nominated. Not to steal your shtick, but I would be concerned that three Republican Senators might fold on a nomination seen, at least partially, as a revenge pick. There’s some less antagonizing choices who are fully qualified. Imo.

  661. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump? @realDonaldTrump
    The Democrats don’t want money from budget going to border wall despite the fact that it will stop drugs and very bad MS 13 gang members.

    Add in ryan and jebots.

  662. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    April 23, 2017 at 12:27 pm
    Mamas basement must be realky cold, kos kiddo.

    – Learn to spell and, at least, make an effort to learn proper grammar.

  663. Tina says:

    And more bs from rotties news services
    Estrada previously told National Law Journal on the matter of a potential appointment from the Trump administration, ”I would never accept a job that requires Senate confirmation or, for that matter, willingly place myself in any situation (e.g., a hearing room) in which convention requires that I be civil to Chuck Schumer.”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/09/tom-daschle-dems-more-to-blame-for-erosion-of-institutional-pillars-of-senate/#ixzz4f5i08lr0

    Daily caller, march 2017. It is his direct quote.

  664. Tina says:

    Rottie believes in fake news and fake stories from leftists.

  665. lisab says:

    lisab is pro- life but is fine with all abortions. Got it. Well, I support the 2d Amendment and have no interest in owning a gun.
    ————————————

    i am not fine with abortions

    i am just less fine with a government having such total control over our lives that it can even force people to submit to medical examinations

    it was actually one of the reasons i was against hillary. on the one hand i found her personally distasteful.

    however, the thought of the dems controlling congress, the white house and scotus was even worse. the dems want a powerful centralized government where the rule of law is less important than whether you agree with them.

    the republicans on the other hand largely don’t even support their own president. in this case divided government means that the republicans have a majority everywhere, and fight among themselves 🙂

  666. Robbie says:

    Tinfoil Tina believes in fake news pushed by Mike Cernovich. He has given us such gems as there is no such thing as date rape, claimed the Democrat Party tried to assassinate him, and, oh by the way, he popularized the Pizzagate story. For those who don’t know what that is, it’s the claim Hillary Clinton and John Podesta ran a child prostitution ring in the basement of Comet Pizza in Washington DC.

  667. Tina says:

    Look at rottie, so feeble and weak, like flub and hilkary.

  668. Tina says:

    uh, uh, uuh, there iwill be a s c pick in the summer.

    Uh, uh,uh,

  669. lisab says:

    a bunch of judges may go under trump

    kennedy, thomas and ginsberg would be my guess

  670. lisab says:

    erin moran

    joanie cunningham on happy days

    died today

    rip

  671. M.Viteau says:

    Neu tred, Daveed!

  672. M.Viteau says:

    Ess eh pess eff kek!

    Oh-pon zeh braou-zoor, en zen zeh ou-eb-sat!

    Pousse zeh bouton!

    Eh VOILA!

  673. Cash Cow TM says:

    BREAKING

    DJT removes Erin Moran From SCOTUS nominations list.

  674. M.Viteau says:

    exit polls are leaning Macron v. LePen

  675. M.Viteau says:

    “After nine hours of voting, turnout was 69.42 percent, one of the highest levels in 40 years.

    While down slightly on the same point in the 2012 election, an extra hour of voting in smaller towns was expected to take turnout to around 78 to 81 percent.”

    Dailymail

  676. M.Viteau says:

    Estimated results:

    Macron: 23-24
    LePen: 22
    Fillon: 20
    Melenchon: 19-20

  677. JC says:

    Anyone know where we can get live results?

  678. JC says:

    France, Harris exit poll:
    Macron (EM-*): 23.7%
    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 22%
    Melenchon (FI-LEFT): 19.5%
    Fillon (LR-EPP): 19.5%

    France, Ipsos exit poll:
    Macron (EM-*): 23.7%
    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 21.7%
    Melenchon (FI-LEFT): 19.5%

  679. JC says:

    France, TNS exit poll:
    Macron (EM-*): 23%
    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 23%
    Melenchon (FI-LEFT): 19%
    Fillon (LR-EPP): 19%
    Hamon (PS-S&D): 7%

  680. Robbie says:

    Looks like Macron vs. Le Pen which means Macron will cruise to an easy win in two weeks. He got get 60% in two weeks.

    The National Front is, effectively, the Tea Party of France and has denied what should have been an easy win to the center right.

    The socialist vision pushed by Hollande was wildly unpopular, yet Le Pen will enable someone who worked for Hollande to win. Stunning.

  681. JC says:

    Is there a cross-over appeal between Fillon and LePen?

    I heard turnout is down in Fillon’s home district.

  682. Robbie says:

    Andrew Neil?
    Verified account
     @afneil 4m
    4 minutes ago

    More
    Macron 23,8 ; Le Pen 21,6 ; Fillon 20,3 ; Melenchon 19,6. Remember. It’s an exit poll

  683. Robbie says:

    JC says:
    April 23, 2017 at 2:11 pm
    Is there a cross-over appeal between Fillon and LePen?
    I heard turnout is down in Fillon’s home district.

    – No. The crossover is between Macron and Fillon according to polling.

  684. M.Viteau says:

    New estimates:

    Macron: 23-24
    LePen: 22-23
    Fillon: 19-20
    Melenchon: 19-20

  685. JC says:

    I can’t find any site with actual numbers.

  686. jason says:

    Maybe when they actually count the votes Fillon could come in second, hope springs eternal.

    He is the only one that’s not a socialist.

    Macron, who will easily beat Le Pen if she comes in second, is a socialist masquerading as a “centrist”.

    Fillon is the only one advocating cutting spending and taxes.

  687. JC says:

    So there hasn’t been any votes counted yet. Just ‘estimations’.

    Didn’t the media estimate a remain win by 10 points?

  688. Robbie says:

    Several high profile supporters of Fillon have already endorsed Macron in the second round.

    Hopefully, the buttkicking Le Pen will receive in two weeks will drive the National front into the wilderness.

    The dopes who like Le Pen and National Front need to realize the Le Pen’s are socialist who use immigration as a cover story.

  689. M.Viteau says:

    Looking at just the islands that are done reporting, it looks like LePen and Fillon are about halving the Sarkozy vote, while the Hollande vote is fracturing among the others, including Hamon.

  690. Robbie says:

    JC says:
    April 23, 2017 at 2:29 pm
    So there hasn’t been any votes counted yet. Just ‘estimations’.
    Didn’t the media estimate a remain win by 10 points?

    – To the second point, no.

    As for the first, the “exit polls” are actually preliminary vote counts from 200 selected areas. They are real vote counts.

  691. jason says:

    “Globalism, in a nutshell, is marxism on a grand scale. ”

    LOL what ignorant drivel.

    Globalism is mainly the result of technology. People everywhere have access to the same information. And consequently want many of the same things. And its capitalism that brings them what they want, not Marxism. That free flow of information cannot be stopped, unless you can eliminate the Internet and cell phones.

    Globalism was what brought down the Soviet Union. The communists could no longer restrict information, the “Iron Curtain” could not keep people behind completely ignorant. They started noticing that while the West could have butter AND arms, they could only have one or the other. Reagan bankrupted the Soviet Union, but it was only by comparison that the East Germans knew they were getting shafted.

    The idea that globalism is just a transfer of wealth is unmitigated trash. Actually it is the transfer of information AND capitalism that has reduced poverty in much of the world.

    Globalism and free trade can be a great producer of wealth. Are there abuses, yes? But we live in a globalized world and no amount of sticking your head in the sand is going to change that.

  692. Tina says:

    Who is advocating defending framce from the refugees?

  693. Robbie says:

    Fillon has just conceded and excoriated Le Pen while doing so. He endorsed Macron.

  694. jason says:

    Btw, there are no exits in France, the projections by the polling companies are based on actual vote returns.

  695. Tina says:

    Kenneth P. Vogel? @kenvogel
    Wasn’t enough for Trump to skip WH Correspondents Dinner—now holding rally at same time, which many would-be dinner goers will have to cover

    Good, he is skipping the dog and pony show.

  696. jason says:

    It’s unfortunate. Macron will not help France. He a “socialist light” like so many other European politicians.

    He was Hollande’s finance minister and was just smart enough to get off the Titanic before it sunk.

  697. Phil says:

    So do they even bother to count all the votes in France?

  698. Tina says:

    Socialist light? Like jeb?

  699. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    April 23, 2017 at 2:47 pm
    So do they even bother to count all the votes in France?

    – They counted close to 10 million votes already according to Bloomberg.

  700. jason says:

    Yes, and he is holding his rally about 25 miles from here.

    I might go if there is nothing good on reality TV shows.

  701. jason says:

    Socialist light? Like jeb?”

    He is to the left of Jeb.

    I know….. bad.

  702. Tina says:

    You will have to get tickets early. It will sell out and be over capacity likely.

  703. Phil says:

    I mean how would this projection system work in the US in calling a New Hampshire, Michigan, or Pennsylvania after counting a portion of the vote from each county and then trying to call a state thirty minutes after the polls close.

    I guess I don’t understand.

  704. jason says:

    At them moment in actual votes counted Fillon is only 1% behind Macron.

    Socialist racist nutcase 24.3
    Socialist light 21.4
    Actual conservative 20.3
    Far left moonbat 17.9
    Hollande’s lapdog 6.0

  705. jason says:

    Well its the same system the networks use to call elections here.

    They use the results from certain key precincts and compare them to prior elections to come up with a projection.

    In a national vote where you don’t have to worry about EV’s a ten million vote sample is quite significant.

  706. Robbie says:

    After Hollande blew up the Socialist Party, it’s simply stunning the French Republicans found a way to blow this election. In retrospect, Fillon should have quit the race to months ago when his scandals hit. Sarkozy and Juppe both stood willing to replace him, but Fillon wouldn’t quit. I understand why he wouldn’t want to quit, but this crackup was on him and his wife.

  707. Robbie says:

    France 24 makes the point the police shooting on Thursday almost certainly helped Le Pen. Over the last week, her share in the polling had been slightly fading until then.

  708. Chicon says:

    723 – could’ve been a false flag operation by Putin to get Le Pen elected. Then he’ll own two Western governments….

  709. M.Viteau says:

    My map says 70% of local authorities have been counted.

  710. Robbie says:

    Le Pen and the National Front are simply a more mature and established version of Nigel Farage and UKIP. Both parties pretend to be of the far right thanks to their immigration stances, but both are socialists.

  711. M.Viteau says:

    All four have now won a department officially.

  712. jason says:

    Drudge is trying hard to push Le Pen.

    Good luck with that.

  713. Robbie says:

    Drudge has been a supporter of the Le Pen’s going back to 2002 when Marine Le Pen’s father accidentally qualified for the runoff. Drudge would have had everyone believe Jean Marie Le Pen might beat Chirac. Well, Chirac won 82-18.

  714. Robbie says:

    It will be interesting/funny to watch Laura Ingraham and the other pseudo conservative Le Pen backers spin to their followers after the 60-40 drubbing Marine will suffer in two weeks.

  715. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Macron will a major improvement over Hollande. It is interesting that both the French Socialist Party and English Labor Party are in disarray.

  716. Cash Cow TM says:

    So it is a close race between Macaroni, Filet Mignon and Bic Le Pen…

  717. Cash Cow TM says:

    Hollande sauce…

  718. Cash Cow TM says:

    I’m trying to organize a group vacation trip to N Korea. Great rates!

    Who’s in?

  719. Phil says:

    Actually, Robbie, it looks to me like 60-40 would be an optimistic result for Le Pen based on the returns today. I have enough trouble predicting electoral results in US elections, but I can’t help but believe Le Pen strategists would gladly take 40 or 41 percent now if you offered it to them – again, based on the returns so far as well as the endorsements of the other candidates.

  720. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Le Pen made the run-off, that in itself is a major victory for her. More importantly, the former political party structure has been destroyed.

    The Socialist are in ruins, the Gaullist picked a bad candidate and did not make the run-off for the first time.

    It also looks like the Labor Party in Britain is about to crash and possibly dissolve.

  721. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    According to Le Pen, Macron committed a horrible act in actually speaking English at a conference in Berlin. Oh, the shame!

    “Macron, 39, a French investment banker turned economy minister turned presidential candidate, gave a speech in English on Franco-German relations and his hopes for the European Union at the Humboldt University in Berlin on Tuesday.
    He also tweeted from the conference in both English and in French.
    The leader of France’s anti-EU National Front party, Marine Le Pen, immediately criticized the move, tweeting that “Presidential candidate Macron goes to Berlin to do a conference in English … poor France!”
    Florian Philippot, Le Pen’s right-hand man, chimed in, saying: “It’s not just that he doesn’t respect our language, he doesn’t believe in France”.”

  722. M.Viteau says:

    The map is embarrassing for the two major parties.

  723. M.Viteau says:

    Current aggregate:

    23.6 Macron
    22.3 LePen
    19.9 Fillon
    19.0 Melenchon

  724. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    There is an attempt to rate the French candidates based on being right-wing or left-wing. That not the issue, the problem is France is so stodgy and static, that people are referring to it as the world’s largest museum.

  725. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    Joel Kotkin give an excellent assessment of the grim, disaster that is California politics.

    http://www.ocregister.com/2017/03/26/californias-tribal-politics/

  726. jason says:

    WH: Trump not supporting Le Pen.

    Sanity prevails…

  727. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    If Bannon or someone in the Trump administration had said this, the leftist press would have exploded:

    “The Pope was speaking to migrants at the Basilica of St. Bartholomew on Saturday about a man he met at a refugee camp on the Greek island of Lesbos last year.
    Pope Francis, center, leads the Easter Vigil at St. Peter's Basilica on April 15.
    Pope Francis, center, leads the Easter Vigil at St. Peter’s Basilica on April 15.
    “I don’t know if he was able to get out of that concentration camp, because the refugee camps — many — are concentration (camps), because they are so crowded with people,” the Pope said in Italian.
    The AJC issued a statement asking the pontiff to reconsider his “regrettable” choice of words.
    “The conditions in which migrants are currently living in some European countries may well be difficult, and deserve still greater international attention, but concentration camps they certainly are not,” said AJC CEO David Harris.
    “The Nazis and their allies erected and used concentration camps for slave labor and the extermination of millions of people during World War II,” he said.
    “There is no comparison to the magnitude of that tragedy.”
    The Vatican’s web site said Francis was speaking off the cuff when he said the refugee camps are like “concentration camps, while international agreements seem to be more important than human rights.””

  728. M.Viteau says:

    That might be good for her, though.

  729. Bitterlaw says:

    BREAKING

    DJT removes Erin Moran From SCOTUS nominations list.

    Damn. That was the price that Scott Baio demanded to speak at the RNC. He really did love Joanie…um…Erin.

  730. Phil says:

    SD,

    I feel for you. You are stuck in a Venezuela Marxist dictatorship which will only grow more intrusive. Orange and SanDiego Counties used to be the sane part of your state and offer some balance towards making statewide elections competitive. Judging by the election returns in recent elections those counties have now been overrun. The electorate is now less than 50 percent white and that means no Republican Party – one party leftist rule forever.

    Get out while you can.

  731. PresidentPaul! says:

    My prediction that fringe anomaly Thon Maker was going to become a MONSTER in the NBA surprising all league analyst is coming true in his first year!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXgW_kPJ_-8

  732. PresidentPaul! says:

    #740

    Well just wait until Le Pen runs again and the run off is either between her and a center right candidate with the left having no one to vote for (riot now!) or alternatively it’s Le Pen vs the communist candidate aka Jean-Luc Melenchon.

    France is destroying itself regardless so either a sane person like Le Pen wins or they become another Venezuela.

  733. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    747. Hi Phil, sadly have to agree with you. Spend a lot of my time in Utah, and probably will fully relocate there in the near future.

    The right leader might be able to turn California around. Asians in San Diego vote Republican, and there is a large chuck of the Latino population, particular Cubans and South Americans, who lean that way at times. Hispanics in places like the Central Valley, are also disenchanted with the Coastal leftists.

    But California Democrats have purchased a large constituency by creating a welfare state that funds millions, who vote to protect their public benefits. They have also driven a large segment of the middle class out of the state.

  734. PresidentPaul! says:

    #750
    Not gonna happen. That’s why we shouldn’t allow the Federal government to have an army because the country needs to be broken up.

  735. PresidentPaul! says:

    Full doc: CIA orders to hack Le Pen & other French presidential candidates

    https://wikileaks.org/cia-france-elections-2012/#Press

    FBI corrupt; IRS corrupt; CIA very corrupt and war criminals; NSA corrupt.

  736. PresidentPaul! says:

    Rand Paul: McCain and Graham are blind to the risks in Syria

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/opinions/less-military-intervention-opinion-paul/

  737. Cash Cow TM says:

    So the smart money in the runoff is on Macaroon…err…Macaroni…

  738. Cash Cow TM says:

    USGS reports 2.3 magnitude earthquake in Lancaster County

    WGAL | Updated: 8:03 PM EDT Apr 23, 2017

    The quake happened at 4:49 p.m. 3 kilometers east, southeast of Millersville at a depth of 5 kilometers, according to the USGS.

    WGAL has not received any reports of damage, but received many calls and emails from viewers saying they heard a loud boom or felt the ground rumble.

    Minor earthquakes are known to happen periodically in the Susquehanna Valley.

  739. Tina says:

    Le Pen vs La Macaroni

  740. Cash Cow TM says:

    La Macarina

    OH, Macarina!

    Hey tina,
    Did you have anything to do with turning the lights out in San Fran?

  741. Bitterlaw says:

    I can’t imagine any realistic scenario that would get me to move out of Pennsylvania. Double my taxes? Zzzzzzzzzz Can’t take my gun or business since I own neither.

    he unrealistic scenario involves winning the lottery and moving to London.

  742. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://ibankcoin.com/flyblog/files/2017/04/IMG_7125.jpg

    antifa enraged at /pol after getting in trouble for smashing Trump supporter with bike lock.

  743. Bitterlaw says:

    Smoking kills another one. RIP, Kate O’Beirne.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/446976/kate-walsh-obeirne-r-i-p

  744. Cash Cow TM says:

    Heh. London.

    In 5 years all the women in London-istan will be required to wear hajibs, or whatever they call them Alahoo Ackbar scarf on the head things.

  745. Cash Cow TM says:

    Anarchism

    anachronism
    _______________
    anarchism

    a charm sin
    as in charm
    Archi’s man
    man’s chair
    chairman’s
    ranch aims

  746. Bitterlaw says:

    I have no fear of Muslims. Just the small group of Muslim terrorists. Fully respect the first group. The second group should be hunted down and killed.

  747. SanDiegoCitzen says:

    764. “I have no fear of Muslims. Just the small group of Muslim terrorists. Fully respect the first group.”

    The problem is its hard sometimes to tell the difference, seemingly ordinary people can become “radicalized.”

    Take San Bernardino as an example. The co-workers of a Muslim employee knew the person, even had a baby shower for the couple. Then one day the couple came in and killed them.

  748. Proud Obamacon says:

    Egggggggzactly right SanDiegoRacist! All the mllooslims are suspicious and must be profiled and judged.

    After all, its so easy to tell the isolated criminal white person among the nice law abiding whites! Moooslims are completely different, yup that’s right!

  749. Tina says:

    Cash Cow, i was down there and could not find anything to eat. All the restaurants were closed.

  750. Cash Cow TM says:

    voles
    solve
    loves

  751. Proud Obamacon says:

    SanDiegoRacist doesn’t want to defend himself and runs again with his tail between his legs. A sick sick sick guy if there ever was one!

  752. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    766. My comments were based on a comments by Obama’s former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, in fact I basically quoted her about “concern over ordinary American Muslims becoming radicalized” she expressed in a Washington Post article.

    If you have a problem with the statement, take it up with Lynch who made it:

    “The San Bernardino terrorist attack is underscoring fears that the government and wider U.S. society have failed to effectively address and counter the threat of ordinary American Muslims becoming radicalized.
    The Obama administration has essentially conceded that its counterradicalization strategy faces major challenges despite millions of dollars spent in recent years.
    Top law enforcement officials have asserted in the wake of San Bernardino that the most effective tool for preventing homegrown attacks remains the post-9/11 “see something, say something” campaign.
    “When you see that person slipping off the grid, changing into someone that you no longer know, and gives you concern for that, we are no longer in a time where that kind of thing can be left aside,” said Attorney General Loretta Lynch.
    Ms. Lynch and FBI Director James Comey have emphasized the importance of a general public wary of suspicious behavior as key to the fight against terrorist attacks, especially since the FBI failed to find a link between the San Bernardino killers Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and his Pakistani-born wife, Tashfeen Malik, 27, and any terrorist group or cell.
    “We keep urging people to tell us when they see something because that is often our only way to get visibility to someone who is changing,” Mr. Comey said.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/6/san-bernardino-terrorist-attack-seen-as-failure-in/

  753. Proud Obamacon says:

    SanDiegoRacist,
    Oh really? You now take guidance from Loretta Lynch? I never knew you formed your own opinions based on influence from Loretta Lynch. You are Loretta Lynch fan? Give me a break.

    Keep digging you are a sick sick guy!

  754. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I have some Muslim friends of mine, who are totally secular — we go out and have beers. They are on the lookout for anyone who they know who may “radicalize.’

    There signs the couple in San Bernardino had issues, but no one wanted to report them for fear they would be called bias or “racist.” That is why Loretta Lynch was telling people if you “see something, say something.”

  755. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If you dislike Obama’s Attorney General, why don’t you change your name from “Obamacon”

  756. Proud Obamacon says:

    But what if one of you’re so called “secular” mooooslim friends are actually sleepers?? LOLLLLL You are a complete and utter fool. You don’t even see it, thats the best part of it all.

  757. Proud Obamacon says:

    Where did I say I disliked Obama’s Attorney General. Since you like her so much that her words have such great influence on you, why dont you change your name to LorettaLynchFan?

  758. Mr.Vito says:

    “Did you have anything to do with turning the lights out in San Fran?”

    The last conservative turned them off on the way out.

  759. Mr.Vito says:

    Obamacon is a shell of his or her former self… time to get a new act. This one’s a loosah.

  760. Bitterlaw says:

    Transparent Dem Troll would weep to see the poor quality of our trolls.

  761. Bitterlaw says:

    Monday morning eye appointmet. What a fun way to start the week!

  762. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw would rather be at the proctologist’s office – aka The A-Hole Clubhouse.

  763. Robbie says:

    McConnell shares my concern Trump’s approval rating could be a real problem for 2018.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/24/trump-congress-midterms-2018-237505

  764. NYCmike says:

    “__________shares my concern Trump’s approval rating could be a real problem for 2018.”

    YES, we know, Robbie. Thanks for the DAILY reminder.

  765. NYCmike says:

    Quick reminder:

    Shutdown was October 2013, which was less than 13 months before midterm election.

    We are not yet in May 2017, next midterm election is over 18 months away.

  766. Tina says:

    Heard, drats will try tio,shut the gubment down over the wall, which is needed.

    Let them try it.

  767. Tina says:

    Concern troling.

  768. Tina says:

    I have concerns that mitchie will go wobbly, like he often did when the obumbler was presidemt.

  769. Robbie says:

    The recent polls released over the last few days that measured Trump’s approval rating suggest a few things to me. First, Trump has rebounded slightly after a very good month of April. He was more measured and more on point. As a result, he’s been rewarded by the public for it.

    Second, even though Trump’s approval has rebounded, he’s still in the low 40’s. In other words, Trump dug himself a very deep hole in February and March that is going to take some time to overcome. The wiretap tweet and healthcare mess (not his fault) really hurt his standing.

    Essentially, Trump’s support is down to Republicans only. The independents have stepped away from Trump, for the time being. In fact, NBC’s poll shows Trump’s approval with Independents is the same as Obama’s was before the 2010 election.

    There’s a long way to go to 2018, but Trump’s approval does matter. Most importantly, if it’s high, it makes candidate recruitment a lot easier. When it’s low, potential candidates are hesitant to try. Right now, it’s low and many top Senate recruits are balking for the time being.

    I think Trump can easily get his approval rating up to high 40’s by mid to late Summer, but he’ll need to be more like the Trump of April than the Trump of February and March.

  770. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    April 24, 2017 at 10:10 am
    I have concerns that mitchie will go wobbly, like he often did when the obumbler was presidemt.

    – Yeah, like when he went wobbly and changed the rules of the Senate to get Gorsuch approved?

  771. Tina says:

    Notice how farkas, susan rice, et.a al have gfone silent lately.

    Lawyered up likely.

  772. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    April 24, 2017 at 10:08 am
    Quick reminder:
    Shutdown was October 2013, which was less than 13 months before midterm election.
    We are not yet in May 2017, next midterm election is over 18 months away.

    – Good lord, you’re not advocating for a government shutdown, are you? There’s little that’s similar between 2013 and 2017. Most importantly, Republicans were the opposition in 2013 and had Obama to run against. In 2017, Republican control everything, including the presidency. If the government shuts down, it will be a sign Republicans can’t govern.

  773. Tina says:

    There are signs that they cannot govern with the drunk and ryan in charge

  774. Chicon says:

    What’s the 30,000 foot view on France, shut down, and the coming election?

  775. NYCmike says:

    “– Good lord, you’re not advocating for a government shutdown, are you?”

    -NO, you arse.

    I am showing how much time until the next election, which you are CONCERNED ABOUT, compared to the a similar “CONCERNED TIME”. Many of the posters of your ilk were “concerned” that THE SHUTDOWN would affect the midterm election results.

    Which, as we all know now, was utterly ridiculous, since the majority of the population is NOT PAYING ATTENTION that far before an election.

    They are DEFINITELY NOT PAYING ATTENTION 18 months away from the next election.

  776. Tina says:

    100 days and gubment debt cut by $100 billion.

  777. NYCmike says:

    Then again, the government just “shutdown” over the weekend, and only “essential” employees were on duty.

    No issues with me.

  778. NYCmike says:

    “100 days and gubment debt cut by $100 billion.”

    -Where did you get that figure from?

    And do you mean $100 billion less than what it would have been, but still a YUUUGGGEE number?

  779. Tina says:

    The woman accusing hannity of sexual harassment has changed her tunes. Now says no harassment.

    She is a loon.

  780. Tina says:

    And i am no fan if hannity.

  781. NYCmike says:

    http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/el-clasico-2017-messis-historic-walk-off-goal-we-will-never-forget-for-barcelona-vs-real-madrid/

    -Sorry, Bitterlaw, but this was an absolutely beautiful play to watch unfold!

    Such patience, such quickness, such teamwork!

  782. NYCmike says:

    Tina,

    Isn’t that reduction due to the income tax filing deadline?

    What are the amounts in prior years for those three month periods?

  783. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    April 24, 2017 at 10:38 am
    What’s the 30,000 foot view on France, shut down, and the coming election?

    – Despite having a 4% approval rating (yes, that’s correct), Hollande maneuvered to get his finance minister elected president.

    The results were also a masterclass in how the French Republican Party screwed up what should have been a sure win after Hollande had cratered the Socialist Party.

  784. jason says:

    I hate to give Proud ObamaCON credit for anything, but he has got to be dumbest troll ever to show up here.

    I used to say he was brainwashed by Marxist propaganda, but don’t you have to have a brain to be brainwashed?

  785. Tina says:

    They only did the domparison between the first hundred days for the ibumbler and trump, nyc

  786. jason says:

    other words, Trump dug himself a very deep hole in February and March”

    Zzzzz… here we go with the MSM talking points ago.

    Trump only got about 45% of the vote, and then was savaged relentless by the MSM (not to mention useful idiots like Wobbie). He didn’t get any of MSM fawning and 100% favorable coverage Obama got in 2008.

    It looks like he has pretty much held on to everyone who voted for him, pretty remarkable really.

    Wobbie is still looking for the real Jeb killer….sad.

  787. Tina says:

    The polls are funny. Bery inconsistent results.

    Look to where his approval numbers lie on the economy.

    The rest is all puff and fluff.

  788. Mr.Vito says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/24/tom-perez-draws-rebuke-from-pelosi-after-declaring-dems-cant-be-pro-life.html

    “The controversy originated after a DNC “Unity Tour” stop last week in Nebraska, where DNC Deputy Chairman Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., appeared with a former state senator who had once supported a bill requiring an abortion-seeking woman to “be told of her right to request a list of places she can get a free ultrasound.”

    Horrors.

  789. NYCmike says:

    “It looks like he has pretty much held on to everyone who voted for him, pretty remarkable really.”

    -Jason,

    Would you vote for him now, seeing how he has conducted himself and how his administration has acted in the first 100 days?

  790. Mr.Vito says:

    100 days isn’t long enough, I think.

  791. jason says:

    YES, we know, Robbie. Thanks for the DAILY reminder.”

    Daily? More like hourly.

    Let me translate what Wobbie really means with his dozens of concern posts on Trump’s approval.

    “Contrary to my predictions, Trump’s approval has actually ticked up a bit. But let assure you the situation is still very dire lest anyone think his rise in ratings is significant. These approval ratings are dismal and will cause Rs to lose the House, the Senate, most Governor races and all dog catcher races in 2018. I am not alone in my analysis, it is supported by unbiased news sources such as NYT, Huffpost, and New Pravda”

  792. jason says:

    Would you vote for him now, seeing how he has conducted himself and how his administration has acted in the first 100 days?”

    Would I vote for him if I knew he was going to win? No.

    Do I approve of his SCOTUS pick and most of his cabinet? Yes.

    Do I approve of the attack on Syria? Yes.

    Do I approve of his anti-free trade BS? No.

    Am I glad it looks like he learned something and now understands the importance of NATO? Yes.

    Do I approve the deportation of felon illegals? Yes.

    Do I approve of him skipping the correspondent’s dinner and holding a rally in Harrisburg? Yes

    Like I said when he was elected, he won, I will support him where I can and oppose him when I can’t.

  793. NYCmike says:

    High standards for politicians.

    Hopefully the next three years Trump will show you more good stuff that you agree with than other BS.

  794. jason says:

    espite having a 4% approval rating (yes, that’s correct), Hollande maneuvered to get his finance minister elected president.”

    Quite a feat. Unfortunately, instead of backing Fillon, the only actual conservative in the race, many conservatives went for all or nothing to back Le Pen because of her immigration stance.

    So because of like 2%, another socialist will win.

    Chalk up another “victory” for deadenders.

  795. jason says:

    815. It could happen. I didn’t consider him fit for the office. If I was wrong, why wouldn’t I support him in 3 years?

  796. NYCmike says:

    “deadenders” are now losing elections in France.

    COD, Mourdock, Angle, Akin, Buck are truly extraordinary people!

  797. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Today’s Rasmussen poll has Trump at 51% approval vs. 49% disapproval.

    I find it ironic an ABC poll finds that 96% of Trump supporters would vote for him again, then claims his approval rating is 42%.

    Perhaps someone should ask President Hillary about how accurate liberal polls are.

  798. Pitchaboy says:

    DJT won with 46 pct of vote. 96pct of that 46 pct still approve Therefore, approval rating around 43 or so

  799. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    820. Actually its 44%. You also have to add those who did not vote for Trump, such as myself, who may support him now. Your going to pick up several percentage points. The Rasmussen poll numbers seem more likely than the ABC or Gallup poll numbers. The 45-50% range seems reasonable.

  800. NYCmike says:

    Don’t believe the polls!

    MD was right!

  801. Bitterlaw says:

    lisab is probably devastated that this beautiful love story had to end tragically.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

  802. Bitterlaw says:

    The good news is that Erin Moran did not die of an overdose. The bad news is that she died because of cancer.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4440918/Happy-Days-star-Erin-Moran-died-stage-4-cancer.html

  803. JC says:

    I do not believe most media polls. Not just because their record has been generally horrible the last 6 years, but also because they don’t pass the common sense factor.

    Almost every poll out there – almost every one – has the democratic party with huge favorables over Republicans. Usually within the D+5-10 range. These are the same polls that constantly show Trump’s approval in the low 40s.

    I do not believe the dems have such an advantage. Maybe pollsters weigh like this because of the democratic historical advantage. Maybe it is simply explicit bias. I don’t know. I just know that democrats do not have 5-10 point advantage over the GOP. And they haven’t for some time.

    Parties that are up 10 points over their rivals do not lose nearly a thousand legislative seats in 6 years. They do not lose election after election, ballot after ballot, seat after seat every year. They do not control a mere 5 state governments (governor and legislator), while their rivals control 25. They do not control only 12 state legislators while their rivals control 32. They do not control only 16 governors while their rivals control 33. Parties that are 10 points more popular to their rivals do not lose the house, the senate, the presidency, and the supreme court. And this is before the 2018 electoral bloodbath for the dem senate.

    If the dem party was 10 points over the GOP, they wouldn’t need to rely on activist judges to enact their agenda.

    Pollsters need to realize that the old democratic advantage over the GOP simply does not exist anymore. Perhaps then, they wouldn’t continually underestimate Republican strength every election.

  804. NYCmike says:

    JC,

    I would caution that the Republicans winning so many state legislatures and statehouses, while it has been a great accomplishment, it then allowed them to draw the district lines which may have helped them win all of the seats they have won.

    I believe there is an upcoming court case where some liberal group will attempt to show how the Republicans mathematically gerrymandered the lines in certain places, in what they claim are illegal ways.

  805. NYCmike says:

    That said, I take any poll with a grain of salt……unless it is posted by Robbie, then I take it with a box of salt.

  806. NYCmike says:

    we need a new thread – Wissing took another week off……Trump making miracles happen AGAIN!

  807. Tina says:

    I rounded down rasmussen number to 41 percent

    Kos kiddo aka jebot 1 aka mr 0-52.

  808. Tina says:

    I know some r voters here in ca. They are the latte liberal types, but will vote to re elect trump vs voting for pocahantas.

  809. JC says:

    “I believe there is an upcoming court case where some liberal group will attempt to show how the Republicans mathematically gerrymandered the lines in certain places, in what they claim are illegal ways.”
    =========

    And this was any different when dems had control?

  810. NYCmike says:

    “And this was any different when dems had control?”

    -Of course not, except that computers can help both sides, and the lib group is trying to show certain things to make the justices call it unconstitutional.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/01/31/the-supreme-court-will-examine-partisan-gerrymandering-in-2017-that-could-change-the-voting-map/?utm_term=.106290dd82e4

  811. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The New York Times apparently believes we need to use nicer words to describe a barbaric act advocated by some Muslims:

    “A top New York Times editor decided the paper shouldn’t use the term “female genital mutilation” because the phrase is too “culturally loaded” and widens a divide between the Western world and “people who follow the rite.”

    Health and Science editor Celia Dugger said she came to the conclusion to refer to the act of removing the female genitalia of young girls as “genital cutting” during a trip to Africa in the 1990s. She spoke about her decision in a Times mailbag article in response to a reader’s question.

    “I never minced words in describing exactly what form of cutting was involved, and there are many gradations of severity, and the terrible damage it did, and stayed away from the euphemistic circumcision, but chose to use the less culturally loaded term, genital cutting,” Dugger wrote. “There’s a gulf between the Western (and some African) advocates who campaign against the practice and the people who follow the rite, and I felt the language used widened that chasm.”

  812. NYCmike says:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/24/obama-iran-nuclear-deal-prisoner-release-236966

    -Odd? Or Funny?

    I was told by many, and mocked as well, that the Corker legislation was the only way to publicize the deal……..yet, here is an article in Politico saying we still don’t know everything that was promised.

    Once again…….

  813. Cash Cow TM says:

    Facebook is a scary place.

    All sorts of the world is ending, this food will kill you, conspiracy stuf.f, etc.

    Add that to all the DJT and national and international political fake stories, makes a Cow not want to visit Facebook.

    And then there is all those “I believe in apple pie (or whatever). Click like, and share!”

    Plus all the damn videos and pictures of food and how to make this or that other dish.

  814. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The perils of living in the California Bay Area, a liberal paradise:

    “A recent string of robberies on BART trains took a frightening turn when dozens of juveniles swarmed an Oakland station over the weekend and commandeered a train car, forcing passengers to hand over bags and cell phones and leaving at least two with head injuries, witnesses told the transit agency.

    The incident — the first of its kind in recent memory — occurred around 9:30 p.m. Saturday at Coliseum Station.

    According to a police officials, witnesses said 40 to 60 juveniles flooded the station, jumped the fare gates and rushed to the second-story train platform. Some of the robbers apparently held open the doors of a Dublin-bound train car while others streamed inside, confronting and robbing and in some cases beating riders.

    The juveniles “committed multiple strong-arm robberies of bags and cell phones,” said a police summary prepared after the incident. “At least two victims suffered head/facial injuries requiring medical attention.”

    Alicia Trost, a BART spokeswoman, said Monday that seven robberies had occurred — with victims losing a purse, a duffel bag and five phones. Six people were robbed inside the train car, with a seventh confronted on the platform, she said.

    The attack was quick, police reported, and the teenagers were able to retreat from the station and vanish into the surrounding East Oakland neighborhood before BART officers could respond. The train that was hit was held for about 15 minutes as authorities investigated the crime and tended to the injured.”

  815. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    838. “Facebook is a scary place.”

    Add to that, Facebook mines your data, and is basically spying on you. Its creepy:

    “It would far outstrip any regime past or present in how intimately it records the lives of its citizens. Private conversations, family photos, and records of road trips, births, marriages, and deaths all stream into the company’s servers and lodge there. Facebook has collected the most extensive data set ever assembled on human social behavior. Some of your personal information is probably part of it.”

  816. jason says:

    Never had FB.. the bishop is not really keen on it.

  817. NYCmike says:

    Neither is the wife…..and she constanly overrules the bishop……acts like she is the Queen….oh, nothing honey, just looking for a gift to buy you for Mother’s Day..!

  818. jason says:

    -Good observation from York.”

    Thanks man, its good to get some recognition!

  819. jason says:

    either is the wife…..and she constanly overrules the bishop”

    Maybe in New York.

    Here in Old York wives don’t overrule bishops. Nor do deacons or ministers.

  820. NYCmike says:

    test

  821. NYCmike says:

    Also, if a large group like that, do whatever they say, until they go to get away, and then grabbed the closest person to you when they go to run.

    Thankfully, I have not had to follow through on these plans, yet, and I hope I can if it ever happens, but at least I know I am aware of my situations at all times, or try to be.

    Sons of animals should get their balls ripped off.

  822. NYCmike says:

    Wont post the first part…odd

  823. Mr.Vito says:

    “I was told by many, and mocked as well, that the Corker legislation was the only way to publicize the deal……..yet, here is an article in Politico saying we still don’t know everything that was promised.”

    Alternatively, we could still have the Iran deal with a Congress bypass and know absolutely nothing… just John Kerry and Susan Rice telling us how scrumdiddlyumptious it is… and the GOP would not have been able to run against the horrible deal.

  824. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    April 24, 2017 at 2:18 pm
    I rounded down rasmussen number to 41 percent
    Kos kiddo aka jebot 1 aka mr 0-52.

    – Have you ever thought about taking an English as a second language class?

  825. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    846. In New York you may have to act like that, in Utah there are over 663,000 concealed carry permit holders. Doubt a youth mob would want to risk it.

  826. Tina says:

    Have you ever been right about a political matter?

    Kos kiddo.

  827. NYCmike says:

    “Alternatively,”

    -Yes, and there were also other alternatives the Senate could have taken……unless you agree with others that the Founding Fathers made Congress, especially the Senate, inept and/or without recourse when it came to dealing with foreign governments, treaties, agreements, etc……the fact that they were not pursued does not mean they are not available.

    And NO, I am not speaking about “impeachment”.

  828. jason says:

    -Yes, and there were also other alternatives the Senate could have taken…”

    Such as?

    I love it when NYC tries to blame Corker, who is actually the one guy in this whole deal that deserves credit, for not rejecting a “treaty” that was not a treaty.

  829. jason says:

    “Two condemned Arkansas killers who admit they’re guilty but fear poor health could lead to extreme pain during lethal injections might become the first inmates put to death in a double execution in the U.S. in more than 16 years”

    Not healthy enough to be executed…..

  830. Tina says:

    Liking Brit Hume again. He slams that matthewd dowd tool

    Brit Hume? @brithume
    Treating an unsubstantiated and strongly denied accusation with skepticism is not “targeting.” It’s simple fairness.
    Matthew Dowd? @matthewjdowd
    Replying to @brithume
    I think you would be well advised to speak out about the culture at Fox News and not target an accuser.

  831. PresidentPaul! says:

    You may not be interested in AntiFa, but antiFa is interested in YOU.

    https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/czsp-8euoaaht1u.jpg

  832. NYCmike says:

    Jason feels the need to defend the man who made it legally binding for the mullahs of Iran to conduct missile tests.

    GREAT JOB, jason and Corker!

  833. NYCmike says:

    If you do nothing, the agreement has no Congressional approval/disapproval, and the companies trading with Iran most likely DON’T, since their investment is not legally binding.

    BUT, Corker helped them out.

    FOLLOW THE MONEY! Boeing and the Iran airline, you know, the one run by the man from the Iranian Republican Guards!

  834. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otuXZL6Mxa0

    Chris Matthews laments Trump supporters sticking to Trump “Like a Bathtub Ring”

    Among those who voted for him, says the Washington Post, 96% said they have no regrets about supporting him.”

  835. NYCmike says:

    “That is to say: The moment Corker’s INARA was signed into law, it became inevitable that the Iran deal would have the congressional imprimatur needed for permanent sanctions relief. This is what big companies like Boeing — a major GOP donor — needed in order to feel safe conducting commerce with Iran.”

  836. NYCmike says:

    Mr. Vito,

    Please read that NRO piece. jason will not be able to bring himself to admit he was wrong, but since you have had a more open mind about it, maybe you will see what could have been done.

    Either way, Trump should demand ALL conditions/details of that bill be publically shown. Personally, I think that some, such as Corker, is trying to keep those details private.

  837. NYCmike says:

    “And then, to add insult to injury, because Corker and McConnell did not get Democrats to agree that there would be a vote if the INARA “resolution of disapproval” process went forward, Democrats were able to block the vote. Thus, Republicans even failed to get Democratic senators on record supporting Obama’s Iran deal — one of the purported benefits Corker had told us the INARA would achieve.”

  838. NYCmike says:

    “Had there been no INARA — even better, had the Republican-controlled Senate and House passed resolutions affirming the sense of each chamber that the Iran deal was a non-binding executive agreement that needed congressional approval in order to have legal effect in the United States — President Donald Trump could have, upon his inauguration, simply rescinded the deal and announced that all congressional sanctions would henceforth be fully enforced. But thanks to Corker’s INARA, it is very likely that the nuclear sanctions are dead; they’d have to be reenacted from scratch. Indeed, it is the assumption that the INARA killed the sanctions that induced big corporations to commence business with Iran — such as Boeing’s aforementioned $17.6 billion deal to supply aircraft to the “Death to America” regime.”

  839. jason says:

    NYC thinks he knows a lot about the Iran deal.

    He can thank Corker.

    Elections have consequences.

    Next time don’t elect Obama. He negotiated the Iran “agreement” which was not a treaty. Yes, it should have been but that was not Corker, that was Obama.

    The rest is BS.

  840. Mr.Vito says:

    That article isn’t really convincing me that it wasn’t the right move. It’s the same as what was said back then… he even says Obama was going to misuse the waiver process.

    He does not offer an alternate way except through the courts. Then he makes a point that INARA would be interpreted in the way that makes his points valid because of Obama’s 400 appointed judges, without considering the same judges would be making the rulings in his alternate scenarios.

    In the meantime, we get spoonfed unicorn poop from the Obama Pravda while Iran gets exactly what they get now through the waivers with no oversight. How many votes do you think the Iran deal cost Hillary? It didn’t have to be many in the end, and the Republicans hammered it for all it was worth. So now we got Hillary continuing the waivers for eight years under some secret “agreement”, while Iran builds a bomb under our noses… just like North Korea did thanks to her husband.

  841. Mr.Vito says:

    In regard to the WAPO poll now showing Hillary losing the popular vote to Donald in a rematch, I have hired a voice actor to express my thoughts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx9kaa7IsBg

  842. xuan says:

    ?????????????

  843. Tina says:

    I have rounded down trumps approval number to 40 percent.

    My advice is that he gets off twitter.

    Trolling in the am.

  844. Wes says:

    Democrats have announced abortion will be the litmus test for their support of candidates. This strikes me as fundamentally flawed, for while more Americans at least for electoral purposes are pro-choice rather than anti-choice, most people outside the extremists on either side don’t prioritize it and don’t care to be preached to about it.

    Realistically abortion is rarely a salient issue unless some moron like NYCMike’s good buddy Dick Mourdock makes it one, meaning Democrats are creating a litmus test on an issue most Americans view as private.

    Electorally Democrats will also be boxing out their best available candidates in small GOP-friendly states such as South Dakota and Nebraska by demanding absolute purity on this issue. As an example, does anyone think Ben Nelson could have snookered Nebraskans into putting him in the Senate to vote for Obamacare had he taken the current proposed 100% pro-choice position of the DNC? It wouldn’t have happened.

    This is in marked contrast to Howard Dean’s proposed 50-state strategy implemented first in 2005 that served as the basis for the 2006 and 2008 Dem electoral coalition:

    Dean proposed seeking out candidates who at least nominally would mirror their prospective constituencies. Combined with the utter GOP collapse nationally in GWB’s second term, this strategy paid off dividends by providing resources to candidates such as Brad Ellsworth and Bob Casey.

    Now with control of the Senate already an uphill climb for them, Dems want to make that climb harder by introducing a litmus test on candidates who will be running in GOP-heavy states against incumbents who’ve already survived disastrous years for the GOP.

    The moonbats have truly taken over the DNC.

  845. Phil says:

    Excellent political analysis, Wes. Democrats continue to make it impossible to expand their umbrella over the parts of America they need if they are going to regain congressional and state power.

    They just can’t help themselves.

  846. NYCmike says:

    “The moonbats have truly taken over the DNC.”

    -Credit the “deadenders”.

    The “moonbats” saw them having so much “success”, they got jealous, and decided to go “FULL MOONBAT”!

    Win-win!

  847. NYCmike says:

    “He does not offer an alternate way except through the courts.”

    -I thought the exact opposite, Mr. Vito.

    The uncertainty of the process (“through the courts”) may have left the large corporations unwilling to make the commitments they have made, and would have kept more pressure on the Democratic Senators, since the cases would have been ongoing, and NOT given Iran their blank slate to go ahead and ignore the deal.*

    The simple fact that we are just finding out more details is proof that Corker’s legislation was either a sham, or just plain ineffective.

    *Did Iran or Obama ever sign the deal publicly?

  848. NYCmike says:

    “NYC thinks he knows a lot about the Iran deal.”

    -Actually, I know about as much as you do, and have a different take on what has transpired.

    My outlook that The Founding Fathers WOULD NOT HAVE LEFT the Senate this impotent in regards to agreements with foreign countries is in contrast with your belief that the Senate is as impotent as it looks when going the Corker route, simply because the head of the Executive Branch decided to act like King George.

  849. Robbie says:

    Marco Rubio’s former presidential campaign strategist conducted a survey of voters from Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

    http://firehousestrategies.com/exclusive-swing-state-voter-study/

  850. Waingro says:

    Uh oh.

    CNN Politics?Verified account @CNNPolitics

    House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz says it appears that Michael Flynn accepted money from Russia

  851. Bitterlaw says:

    Don’t tell Tina. She thinks everything is fake news.

  852. Waingro says:

    #880, yeah, I’m sure the “CNN” part will red flag some people, but there literally was a video attached to that tweet where Chaffetz said that and was standing next to John Lewis in “bipartisan” fashion.

    Tough to “FAKE NEWS!!” this one. To be clear though for all full blown Trumpkins: there is NO allegation against Trump or anyone else.

  853. NYCmike says:

    Wasn’t Chaffetz just mentioned as not running again due to some FBI investigation?

  854. Chicon says:

    879 – when did he accept the money?

  855. NYCmike says:

    Thought it said 2015.

  856. Chicon says:

    It appears to be nothing new. At some point, Flynn was paid for a speech by RT, and didn’t put the payment on a form for his security clearance.

    Not quite the event implied by the Tweet.

  857. jason says:

    House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz says it appears that Michael Flynn accepted money from Russia”

    Actually the fact he got paid for a speaking engagement was known. The issue is the failure to disclose it on the form he submitted.

    There is nothing to suggest the $30k for the speaking engagement was anything sinister. However, he should have reported it.

  858. jason says:

    he simple fact that we are just finding out more details is proof that Corker’s legislation was either a sham, or just plain ineffective.”

    Zzzz… what garbage.

    It shows nothing of the sort, except that Corker was right to try to show more of what was in this “agreement.

    Everyone knows Obama did everything possible to hide the details.

    How this is Corker’s fault is just one more of NYC’s idiocies.

  859. NYCmike says:

    DCCCLXXXVIII

  860. NYCmike says:

    “How this is Corker’s fault is just one more of NYC’s idiocies.”

    -Mr. Vito disagreed, but his comment sure made it sound like he ACTUALLY READ THE PIECE AT THE LINK.

    As I said already: “My outlook that The Founding Fathers WOULD NOT HAVE LEFT the Senate this impotent in regards to agreements with foreign countries is in contrast with your belief that the Senate is as impotent as it looks when going the Corker route, simply because the head of the Executive Branch decided to act like King George.”

  861. NYCmike says:

    Jason would have been the only llama-lovin’ Tory in the 13 colonies…..maybe.

    You never know about Ben Franklin…..

  862. jason says:

    My outlook that The Founding Fathers WOULD NOT HAVE LEFT the Senate this impotent in regards to agreements with foreign countries is in contrast with your belief that the Senate is as impotent as it looks when going the Corker route, simply because the head of the Executive Branch decided to act like King George.”

    Wow, this is so stupid it’s hard to know where to start.

    Elections have consequences. This was not a treaty that required a Senate voted. It was proposed as an “agreement” of the kind the President is entitled to enter into. The guy elected by the people entered into the agreement.

    We don’t agree this was not a treaty. Neither did Corker and most Rs in the senate. However, whether Obama was within his rights or not is a matter for the judicial branch to decide.

    To keep Presidents from entering into “agreements” we don’t like, or issuing executive orders we don’t like, elect better Presidents.

  863. Chicon says:

    886 – correct. I think it was also known that he didn’t report the payments (his lawyer sez he disclosed it all to the DIA).

    All far from the WOW hinted at in CNN’s tweet.

  864. Waingro says:

    A good overview here. His criminal liability is speculative at this point. But there an inkling of any connection to Trump or any other surrogates. If anything this shows exactly why Flynn rightly had to be dumped to quickly.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/04/25/chaffetz-no-evidence-flynn-complied-law-foreign-contacts/

  865. Waingro says:

    #894, meant to say “there is NOT an inkling”

  866. NYCmike says:

    Got it.

    So jason believes that Congress is impotent in the face of a Presidential agreement made between the United States government and foreign governments, and those “agreements” are somehow binding.

    The McCarthy guy is just shooting spitballs for no reason.

  867. Robbie says:

    Trump’s speech at the Holocaust Memorial today was the best he’s given so far. Very, very strong.

  868. Robbie says:

    Amul Thapar’s confirmation hearing to be a judge on the 6th circuit is tomorrow, April 26. For the diversity reasons Estrada could be a wild card, so could Thapar. On top of that, Thapar is 47 whereas Estrada is 55.

  869. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    Rumor is he is looking at a minority transgendered woman for his next pick.

  870. messy says:

    899. Suuuuuuuuuuuuure.

  871. messy says:

    Nine hundred. the Prime minister of the Bahamas just said that God couldn’t stop his reelection.

  872. Robbie says:

    Jeb and Jeter won the auction to buy the Miami Marlins. Their first move should be to ban little Marco from the ballpark! Jason to explode in 3..2..1.

  873. Robbie says:

    Mike Flynn continues to cause problems for Trump’s White House. The guy wasn’t truthful about much of anything.

  874. lisab says:

    The Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department beat the crap out of a guy … on camera

  875. jason says:

    So jason believes that Congress is impotent in the face of a Presidential agreement made between the United States government and foreign governments, and those “agreements” are somehow binding.”

    Yes that is correct.

    They can go to court to block it and/or they can try to impeach the President.

    There is no way to make an agreement a treaty by force.

    As far as how binding it is, its like a contract, its as binding as allowed for by law.

  876. jason says:

    The Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department beat the crap out of a guy?

    Did he deserve it?

  877. Walt says:

    Well, since Dave the Wizard is not posting anything new, I decided to join a bridge club.

    We meet every Tuesday.
    I sucked, but it keeps me out of trouble on Tuesdays.

  878. jason says:

    I sucked, but it keeps me out of trouble on Tuesday”

    Gayest post of the day…

  879. jason says:

    OMG

    Looks like Trump is compromising. NYC to throw a tantrum in 3, 2, 1…

    The threat of a U.S. government shutdown this weekend appeared to recede on Tuesday after President Donald Trump backed away from a demand that Congress include funding for his planned border wall with Mexico in a spending bill.”

  880. jason says:

    “Prime minister of the Bahamas just said that God couldn’t stop his reelection.”

    Zzzzzz…

    I will only be impressed if there is evidence God tried and failed.

  881. NYCmike says:

    “Looks like Trump is compromising.”

    -ALL dicks will eventually get soft…….

  882. NYCmike says:

    Happened quicker than I thought.

  883. NYCmike says:

    “As far as how binding it is, its like a contract, its as binding as allowed for by law.”

    -That is one of the main points of the link, if you bothered to read it.

    The whole point was to keep the “agreement” in limbo, so as to stretch out the uncertainty, get the courts involved like the Constitution would want, allow Congress the time to assert their obligations under that same Constitution.

    BUT, the Corker legislation cut that short, as pointed out, again, in the article.

  884. NYCmike says:

    JEB! has been elected President…….of the Miami Marlins!

  885. jason says:

    The whole point was to keep the “agreement” in limbo, so as to stretch out the uncertainty, get the courts involved like the Constitution would want,”

    Complete garbage, courts could be involved at any time.

    The reason they weren’t is that nobody thought they would prevail.

  886. lisab says:

    The Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department beat the crap out of a guy?

    Did he deserve it?
    ——————————
    nope

    4 on 1 and one officer was punching him in the head as he was on the ground with 2 others holding him down

    then one put a gun to his head

    naturally, white or latino cops

    black suspect

  887. jason says:

    JEB! has been elected President…….of the Miami Marlins!”

    Congratulations to Wobbie, he must be ecstatic.

    Every dog has his day.

  888. NYCmike says:

    We just had a cop driving drunk and killing a woman. Unfortunately, I know many cops from my childhood who think they are above the law.

    Hope they make an example out of this cop, and punish him for his actions.

  889. lisab says:

    Hope they make an example out of this cop, and punish him for his actions.
    ——————————-

    nope. internal affairs has cleared the cops of charges, and charged the guy with resisting arrest, “by the book” is the expression they use

    i’m thinking $2 million settlement

  890. lisab says:

    at least they don’t do anything by half measures … gun against head, white cops elbowing and punching a prone suspect in the head

  891. Walt says:

    transgendered

    granted sender
    strange red end
    deranged snert
    deranged terns
    enters d’ garden
    nested grander
    danger tenders
    R gander nested?

  892. jason says:

    “get the courts involved like the Constitution would want,”

    The Encyclopedia of Ignorance gets another tome.

  893. jason says:

    nd charged the guy with resisting arrest”

    Ahhh, I thought you said he did nothing….

  894. Cash Cow TM says:

    Every dog has his day.

    His dog has every day.
    Every day has his dog.

    “Say, this hog very dead!

  895. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    April 25, 2017 at 4:29 pm
    JEB! has been elected President…….of the Miami Marlins!”
    Congratulations to Wobbie, he must be ecstatic.
    Every dog has his day.

    – Already ordered my “Right to Rise Marlins” hat.

  896. Cash Cow TM says:

    resisting arrest

    arresting sister

  897. lisab says:

    “Ahhh, I thought you said he did nothing….”

    no i did not, i said he did not deserve to get beaten.

    however, as it turns out the charges against him were dropped … the district attorney said there was no evidence he resisted arrest …

    he did however refuse to follow a cops lawful order, i.e. he ran from the cops

  898. lisab says:

    Veteran charged with tying her PTSD service dog to tree, shooting him five times

  899. NYCmike says:

    “– Already ordered my “Right to Rise Marlins” hat.”

    -Nicely done, Robbie.

  900. lisab says:

    interestingly, jeb spent more money running for president

    than the entire marlin’s payroll

    yet, the marlin’s attendance was six times more than the number of people who voted for jeb in the primaries

  901. jason says:

    Running from the police is not resisting arrest.

    I didn’t know that.

    See it happens on rare occasions.

  902. jason says:

    Jeb has already announced that people scaling the stadium fences to watch the games without paying are performing an “act of love”.

    Jeter on record as saying WTF?

  903. lisab says:

    had he been being arrested at the time he would have been in trouble,

    but he wasn’t, so he didn’t

    he did however refuse to follow a lawful order by a police officer, e.g. don’t run from police just because you are black and the officer is approaching you with a drawn weapon.

    however, he was not charged with that either. apparently the 4 cops on camera beating him up with one cop holding a gun to his head saying he was going to kill the suspect convinced the attorney general to drop that charge too

  904. lisab says:

    judge stops trump’s order against sanctuary cities

  905. NYCmike says:

    Judges STOPPING orders to enforce existing law – if I didn’t know jason I would not think it is possible.

  906. Tina says:

    I am so happy. Flynn is in trouble and bannons second order has been halted.

    Jebots

  907. Tina says:

    Please clap, i won something,

    Jeb

  908. Tina says:

    Rate republicrats in comgress

    Senate c+

    House d

    Ryan is failing and the ky drunk cannot get a full cabinet.

  909. Tina says:

    Freedom Caucus Chairman: ‘We Will Repeal Most Aspects of Obamacare by the End of May’ – Breitbart

    Yes, good idea. Repeal then replace, but nit repeal and replance.

  910. Tina says:

    Disappointed about the wall. It is needed and the rs are doing sheot about it. The wall was oassed under faiked w.

  911. Tina says:

    Funny thing about Trump’s 39% positive / 50% negative rating in NBC/WSJ poll:

    He was at 31% / 59% just before the election in same poll

    Worst polling firm.

  912. Trump says:

    Corker just fuc$ed Israel and the United States with his cya move.

  913. Trump says:

    Broken promises is how you lose majorities.

  914. jason says:

    Soccer Moron now cares about majorities?

    LOL

  915. NYCmike says:

    Why would the Republican Congress and Trump be worried about a shutdown?

    Money would still be coming in…..direct the Treasury to pay SS/Medicare, military…..why are they worried, while the Dems NEVER WORRY about a shutdown?

  916. jason says:

    Illegals crossing has already been reduced just by stronger enforcement and deporting of those caught crossing (no catch and release).

    The wall only needs to be physical in certain areas. In many others there is technology that could replace a physical wall, using sensors, satellites, drones, cameras, etc.

    The promise is really to have border security. The wall is one of the tools. If it can be accomplished without a physical wall along the entire border the promise is still kept.

  917. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    “Trump” stated a fact about how a political party loses majority status.

    He did not say he cares about their majority.

  918. NYCmike says:

    “Illegals crossing has already been reduced just by stronger enforcement and deporting of those caught crossing (no catch and release).”

    -WE ARE WINNING!??

  919. jason says:

    hile the Dems NEVER WORRY about a shutdown?”

    Because the MSM would never blame them for a shutdown.

  920. NYCmike says:

    I do not need a wall built…..I need laws enforced……I am glad that even jason recognizes that current law is able to accomplish many things that he used to refuse to accept could happen. Small steps.

  921. NYCmike says:

    “Because the MSM would never blame them for a shutdown.”

    -I understand that part, which is where Twitter and a cohesive communication strategy between White House and Congress would come into play.

    Do any of these politicians know how to work like a team and present a unified message?

  922. jason says:

    -WE ARE WINNING!??”

    No, we are still losing.

    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A federal judge on Tuesday blocked President Donald Trump’s attempt to withhold funding from “sanctuary cities” that do not cooperate with U.S. immigration officials, saying the president has no authority to attach new conditions to federal spending.”

    So feel free to continue to think we are winning.

  923. jason says:

    erstand that part, which is where Twitter and a cohesive communication strategy between White House and Congress would come into play.”

    Ahhh yes…

    TELL A STORY!

  924. Tina says:

    I cannot find any ire illegals at the home depot.

    Imam pissed and thre a rottie tamtrum.

  925. Tina says:

    Disagree, we meed a fence. Ot the entire birder, but
    A nice wall is great.

  926. NYCmike says:

    Heh.

    jason, earlier today, says getting the courts involved should be in the “Encyclopedia of Ignorance”.

    Yet, now he says “SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A federal judge on Tuesday blocked President Donald Trump’s attempt to withhold funding from “sanctuary cities” that do not cooperate with U.S. immigration officials, saying the president has no authority to attach new conditions to federal spending.”

    So feel free to continue to think we are winning.”

  927. Tina says:

    I do not think there will be a shutdown. They will cabe on the wall to schumah and continue to fund obumblercare.

    The rinos have decreed it.

  928. Tina says:

    Cave.

  929. NYCmike says:

    ” They will cabe on the wall to schumah and continue to fund obumblercare.”

    -As well as Planned Parenthood.

  930. NYCmike says:

    good night.

  931. Tina says:

    It is sickening, maybe they will throw in another two more iran deals

  932. PresidentPaul! says:

    Government should have been shut down long ago.

    Point is shut down is not a tactic but a goal. If the GOP would set shut down as party goal then it wouldn’t have to worry about it being used as a tactic and the media blaming them.

  933. Trump says:

    The lla raza pimp must have brains the size of a retarded pea.

    Or English is a foreign language to this comatose vegetable.

    The moron is butt hurt that illegal immigration is down just by following current laws.

  934. NYCmike says:

    “The moron is butt hurt that illegal immigration is down just by following current laws.”

    -That is impossible! Current laws being enforced WILL NOT WORK!

  935. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    This article about the Democrat candidate in the May 25th Montana CD-All congressional election is amusing. The links in the article are hilarious.
    He may garner votes for this activity. Who knows!

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/montana-democrat-rob-quist-regular-performer-nudist-resort/

  936. Mr.Vito says:

    “Federal Judge William Orrick III, who on Tuesday blocked President Trump’s order to withhold federal funds from sanctuary cities, reportedly bundled hundreds of thousands of dollars for President Barack Obama.”

    “The same judge issued a restraining order in 2015 against the advocacy group responsible for undercover videos purporting to show Planned Parenthood employees plotting to sell baby organs.”

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/04/25/trump-sanctuary-city-law-blocked-judge-san-francisco-obama-donor-william-orrick

  937. Cash Cow TM says:

    WV budget impasse still in effect.

    Gov. Justice vetoed the budget, must have one by July 1 or State government shuts down.

    Nobody is calling Walt to get him to intervene and develop a compromise…

  938. Cash Cow TM says:

    When and where will Soros/Obama/U.S. far left Ds institute the next street riots…err…”demonstrations”

  939. Robbie says:

    Steve Bannon has written an EO that would pull the US out of NAFTA according to Politico, WaPo, and CNN. In terms of policy, this is a terribly dumb idea so it’s no surprise a populist nationalist would support it.

    The question is whether Trump supports this move or is Bannon trying to box Trump in by leaking this news?

  940. Robbie says:

    The House Freedom Caucus has decided to support the AHCA with the new amendment. Well, at least 80% have since that’s what it takes for the group to support a bill.

    Now, the question is how many moderates have been lost by the changes that the HFC have supported. Between these two groups, it’s a zero sum game.

    Regardless, once it goes to the Senate, the House bill dies.

  941. pitchaboy says:

    Robbie at his optimistic best. AHCA is getting done Robbie, whether you like it or not. There will be changes in the Senate but the core of the House plan will be retained. We can both make a prediction, but I predict our predictions will go the way Election Day predictions went.

  942. Bitterlaw says:

    I have to be honest. I never think about NAFTA. I know that many people don’t like it. I defer to Jason on all trade matters.

  943. pitchaboy says:

    Does Robbie approve of any thing DJT does? For instance,
    1. Does he approve of the sharp drop in border crossings?
    2. Does he approve of the sweeping tax reform proposal just out?
    3. Does he approve of repeal and replace O’care?
    4. At the very least, does he approve of Gorsuch?

    If the answer is NO, I humbly re-direct him to DKos.

  944. NYCmike says:

    “Between these two groups, it’s a zero sum game.”

    -Finally, we are getting nearer the truth.

    BOTH SIDES are stubborn and want certain things for their constituents, and their states, and their country.

    Of course, between the HFC and the “moderates”, I’ll go with the group FARTHEST from the Democrats at the beginning of any negotiation, since I would have to give a little bit later on.

    COMMON SENSE NEGOTIATING. Ask for as much as you possibly can, then give up those items you can wait for next time.

  945. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason used to take their stuff because they did not keep track of how much they had.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4448360/The-anumeric-people-don-t-words-numbers.html

  946. Tina says:

    The noderates are always right, i thout. It was the hfc that is always wromg.

  947. Tina says:

    Nafta will be renegoitated or canceled, per trumps comments to the ap.

    Bannon has nothing to do with this, other than jebot being concenred about him

  948. Tina says:

    Steve Bannon has not writtehnsheot, in summary.

  949. Tina says:

    The threat of an executive order is just a negotiating ploy.

    No such order is needed.

    http://www.sice.oas.org/trade/nafta/chap-22.asp

    6 months notice is needed.

  950. Tina says:

    Say adios nafta. To the corrupt mexican gubment.

    Say goodbye nafta to the canadian little kid

  951. Tina says:

    If the moderates kill the bill this time, they are at fault.

  952. Phil says:

    Obamacare cannot be repealed. The UN says that would be illegal.

  953. Robbie says:

    Either pitchaboy’s red MAGA hat is on too tight or he doesn’t actually read the things I have written.

    As far as the AHCA is concerned, I was just about the only person here advocating for its passage a month ago. I saw it for what it was: a starting point. I also realized that it mattered little what the House passed since the Senate was going to start on their own proposal and it would look nothing like what the House passed. That’s just a reality.

    I also, regrettably, have come to the conclusion repeal and replace is a political dead end for Republicans right now. What satisfies the HFC pisses off the moderates. What pleases the moderates enrages off the HFC. The margin in the House is not large enough to overcome their differences.

    This is why I said in late March Republicans should focus on tax cuts/reforms and infrastructure. It’s a more unifying goal for the party and the latter probably gets some bipartisan buy-in. What they need heading into 2018 is victories, not carping.

    As for Gorsuch, were in the world have you been these last four months? No one here was a bigger advocate for nominating Gorsuch than I was. His nomination may prove to be the single most important thing Trump does in 2017.

    As for immigration, I have written for a decade or more here it’s an issue that might be 7 or 8 on the list of my priorities. Build a wall. Don’t build a wall. I don’t really care. I think it’s probably a waste of money, but it doesn’t matter to me.

  954. Pitchaboy says:

    Ok Robbie, stay calm and watch DJT MAGA.

  955. Tina says:

    No wall

    No repeal of obumblercare

    Sick of congress.

  956. NYCmike says:

    “Sick of congress.”

    -Our political system sucks, except for every other political system in the world.

  957. NYCmike says:

    Republicans need to do a better job of communicating a coherent, unified message.

  958. Tina says:

    French intellignence. Infirms sarin attack by asshat.

  959. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Great candidate selection by the Democrats in Montana for the vacant congressional seat. Staying with my prediction of an easy Republican win

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/montana-democrat-rob-quist-regular-performer-nudist-resort/

  960. NYCmike says:

    “French intellignence.”

    -Heh.

  961. NYCmike says:

    Not sure why playing music at a nudist resort is a bad thing, but I hope he loses due to his politics.

  962. Tina says:

    Planned parenthood funded

    Obubmkercare funded

    Pbs funded

    Wall not funded.

  963. Robbie says:

    Bloodbath today at ESPN, but Stephen A Smith still has a job. That is a total joke.

  964. Waingro says:

    Will Jordan?Verified account @williamjordann 6m6 minutes ago

    Here’s a “100 Days” comparison:

    Would you vote to re-elect?

    Trump (2017)
    36% Yes
    55% No

    Obama (2009)
    52% Yes
    31% No

    (Fox News Poll) pic.twitter.com/56su53cTsF

  965. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    From Fox News twitter:

    President Trump approval rating 45% approve, 48% disapprove; up from 43% – 51% last month;

    Is President Trump keeping campaign promises:

    46% yes, 44% going off course

    Is the economy getting better for your family:

    42% Yes; 37% Worse; 18% Staying Same.

  966. Waingro says:

    Also in better news for Trump from that poll is that 97% of his voters are satisfied with their vote versus 95% of Clinton’s. Plus more Clinton voters would flip to vote for Trump as opposed to vice versa.

    This shows that MANY of the people within the sample either didn’t vote in 2016 or, despite being “satisfied” would not vote to re-elect — which of course doesn’t make much sense.

  967. PresidentPaul! says:

    #993
    I second you that Stephen A. Smith is the worst person to listen to on ESPN.

  968. jason says:

    Almost M

  969. NYCmike says:

    laMe

  970. NYCmike says:

    llaMa

  971. NYCmike says:

    bahaMa MaMa

  972. jason says:

    jason, earlier today, says getting the courts involved should be in the “Encyclopedia of Ignorance”.”

    LOL

    What I said was getting courts involved or not has nothing to do with Corker’s bill.

    It had everything to do with whether anyone though a challenge would prevail.

  973. jason says:

    Republicans need to do a better job of communicating a coherent, unified message.”

    Yep, I think of deadenders when I think of Republicans communicating a coherent, unified message!

  974. Robbie says:

    The new Fox poll is good news for Trump. It’s a bit higher than other current polling, but it continues to show he’s creeping up from the lows of late March.

  975. jason says:

    Nafta won’t be cancelled, you read it here first.

    Like NATO, Trump has probably realized there are a lot of benefits to NAFTA, and that crashing the Mexican economy is not in the interest of the US.

    Look for some “renegotiation” and window dressing and the curbing of some obvious abuses but the core of the free trade agreement will remain since it is good for all three countries.

  976. jason says:

    Some of my work has to do with Mexico. I get the feeling from the business people there that after the initial panic, things have settled down and most of the business community on both sides doesn’t think there will be Armageddon.

    The US has a huge amount of assets in Mexico. Over 1 million Americans live there.

    Of course, many in Mexico hate Nafta too. The leftists in Mexico are opposed to it too.

    If the US unions and the Mexican leftists agree NAFTA is bad, there must be some good to it!

  977. Robbie says:

    During the campaign, one of Hillary’s advisors told the staff they should add 3 points to Trump’s polling because the adviser believed there was a hidden vote. That seemed to be the case on election day so my break even line for Trump’s job approval is 47%. If he can get his job approval average around that mark, the party will be fine in 2018.

  978. NYCmike says:

    “If the US unions and the Mexican leftists agree NAFTA is bad, there must be some good to it!”

    -Agreed.

    Full disclosure: We do a lot of work with Canadian carriers bringing stuff down, or making pickups to send freight back.

  979. NYCmike says:

    Oddly enough, we have one large customer that we deliver for, and we have received in freight from Canada, Mexico, and Hong Kong.

    And I know that some of the materials in their product is from Germany.

    Milton Friedman (Leonard Read, actually) was right. Enough said.

    http://thefederalistpapers.org/video-2/lesson-of-the-pencil-best-explanation-of-how-capitalism-benefits-the-masses-ever-produced

  980. Tina says:

    I am sure justin beaver, canadian prime. Inister is worried about nafta.

  981. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    As Trump increasingly relies on advisers like Tillerson, Mattis and even son-in-law Jared, he is viewed as having better judgment, and more “mainstream.’ May be one of the reasons his poll numbers are moving up.

  982. NYCmike says:

    SanDiego,

    Simply by being President he is more “mainstream”.

    He sets the agenda, news reacts to him. Power of the office.

    Same should go for Republicans in Congress, but McConnell and Ryan don’t seem to communicate well with each other (as far as we know).

    (I would think that a more conservative leader, Cruz, Lee, Scott, would communicate very well with a Speaker from the HFC, and they would roll out policy proposals/legislation with each chamber knowing what the other is doing – but, we are so sure (sarcasm) that the “deadenders” DON’T WANT TO BE IN CHARGE!)

  983. NYCmike says:

    Mattis is great, and Tillerson has been very impressive!

    Nikki Haley has also done a great job, in my opinion.

  984. jason says:

    Zzzzz….. NYC thinks deadenders want to “negotiate”.

  985. NYCmike says:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/mattis-and-trump-the-odd-couple-that-works/2017/04/25/5e01adf0-29ef-11e7-a616-d7c8a68c1a66_story.html?utm_term=.c960659204e2

    -Actually, jason, I want “deadenders” to ram through legislation in each house, AFTER compromising in talks they had BEFORE the legislation was voted on.

    I want it to be as conservative as possible, let Schumer and the -cRATS yell and scream about “killing women and children”, and then give in a little, if needed. STOP giving up certain positions/power BEFORE the negotiations start.

  986. NYCmike says:

    The link has nothing to do with my response to jason…..

  987. jason says:

    (I would think that a more conservative leader, Cruz”

    Nobody likes Cruz in Congress….he would never be elected leader.

    And as far as HFC deadenders, they are like 3 dozen, why would they be the leaders of a caucus of over 200? Let’s get real.

  988. Chicon says:

    1019 – because without their votes, the gop doesn’t have a majority?

  989. Bitterlaw says:

    My softball player has made her decision. She is now part of the Temple University Class of 2021. She loved the idea of going to school in Boston but it was 3X the cost. She will have to pay for it herself as her parents do not have money to help her. Very proud of her.

  990. Bitterlaw says:

    I noted that Jason did no respond to my post that I defer to him on trade issues. You will accept the praise and like it, A-hole.

  991. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    April 26, 2017 at 8:51 pm
    As Trump increasingly relies on advisers like Tillerson, Mattis and even son-in-law Jared, he is viewed as having better judgment, and more “mainstream.’ May be one of the reasons his poll numbers are moving up

    – I agree 100%. They’ve been able to affect Trump’s tone in a positive way. I think that fact has paid dividends over the last months. His core views remain the same, but the way he expresses them have changed.

  992. ??? says:

    ???????????

  993. NYCmike says:

    Thank you, Chicon.

    jason seems to forget that majorities need numbers to be effective.

    It will be interesting to see his comments if a healthcare bill is passed. If it is passed, he’ll give credit to “moderates” for shepherding it thru, while saying nothing about the HFC.

    If it isn’t, he’ll blame it on the “deadenders” for being too successful in trying to get a more conservative law that was unacceptable to “moderates” (whatever that word actually means).

  994. Wes says:

    Texans don’t even like Cruz. He will win next year just because of the R next to his name. He’s also a sanctimonious, solipsistic self-seeker his colleagues would love to see gone. Trump shoild nominate Cruz to the Supreme Court to remove this particular egomaniac from the Senate.

  995. Wes says:

    Should*

  996. Wes says:

    Mia Love may get a liberal black challenger:

    http://www.sltrib.com/news/5213006-155/dem-challenging-mia-love-could-lead

    I guess Dems have now discarded the Dean strategy of recruiting candidates at least nominally in tune with their districts and are now planning to run overt moonbats everywhere.

    The Tea Party would blush at this kind of shortsighted, one-size-fits-all candidate recruiting reminiscent of their own excesses in 2010 and 2012.

  997. Tina says:

    Looks like the corrupt mexican gubment and canadas justin beaver called trump begging him not to terminate nafta. They want to renegotiate the treatty.

  998. Mr.Vito says:

    “It will be interesting to see his comments if a healthcare bill is passed. If it is passed, he’ll give credit to “moderates” for shepherding it thru, while saying nothing about the HFC.”

    If it gets passed, Ryan is ultimately responsible. He could have tabled the whole thing indefinitely, but wants a compromise solution before the tax bill.

  999. Mr.Vito says:

    If anything the HFC was smart to realize this to get more demands in a second round. If it gets through the moderates as well, then Ryan deserves the credit for threading the needle.

  1000. Mr.Vito says:

    If HFC wants to lead, they should get a Speaker elected.

  1001. MichiganGuy says:

    @1028 “Mia Love may get a liberal black challenger” You mean to tell me there is more than one AA woman in Utah? I would of never guessed. 🙂

  1002. NYCmike says:

    “He’s also a sanctimonious, solipsistic self-seeker his colleagues would love to see gone.”

    -I suspect this is one of the main reasons Texans will re-elect him. “his colleagues” are a bunch of sanctimonious, solipsistic…..hold it one second…. – they sound like…..heaven forbid……POLITICIANS!

  1003. NYCmike says:

    “If HFC wants to lead, they should get a Speaker elected.”

    -Good point.

  1004. NYCmike says:

    9 days since last thread – Wissing must be an incumbent – doesn’t feel like he has to work for his “constituents” anymore, except around election time (Mobbies).

  1005. NYCmike says:

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/lamborghini-planned-parenthood-executive-caught-haggling-baby-organs/

    -Nope, no story for Republicans to hammer Democrats on here, NONE AT ALL!

    The $$ could pay for the wall…..I am sure the HFC would look to do this…..who would look to stop them from leading on the issue?

    Fund organ harvesting instead of improved security?

    Wes to yawn in 3….2…..1…..

  1006. Bitterlaw says:

    The NFL Draft is here! Only a few blocks from my office. Predicition:

    With the 14th pick in the 2017 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles select somebody not as good as the 15th pick.

  1007. jason says:

    HFC wants to lead, they should get a Speaker elected.”

    If they can do it with 30 votes, they can have it.

    Until then they can GFTs.

  1008. jason says:

    No wall

    No repeal of obumblercare

    Sick of congress.”

    Well, the wall was Trump’s initiative, blame him for not selling it.

    There was a replacement for Obamacare, but the deadenders killed it, they preferred Obamacare.

  1009. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – Tina hates just about every Republican except Trump and trump is not really a Republican.

    He’s not, NYC. Yeah. I said it.

  1010. Bitterlaw says:

    Here’s a guide to things to do in Philadelphia.

    Jason – I think that Scrapple-fest is later in the summer. You should enter your llama-scrapple. Very unique.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/philadelphia/What-to-see-and-do-in-Philadelphia-during-the-2017-NFL-draft.html

  1011. Chicon says:

    Bitter – the Birds will need to take a receiver early in the draft to replace Alshon when he pulls a calf muscle in week three and needs eight weeks to recover.

  1012. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon – After decades of suffering, I expect nothing from the Eagles. I am still a fan because there is no escape.

  1013. Tina says:

    Bl, previously, you indicated I hate all Republicans. Now, i onlynhate some?

    You positions keep changing…

  1014. Tina says:

    Looks like the jebots are now targeting ivanka. Look gor the posts from the concern troll.

  1015. Tina says:

    The money for the wall coukd be found in not funding obumblercare or eliminating the other subsidies.

    It is clear that many rs do. Ot want to defund anything or have a wall

  1016. Cash Cow TM says:

    My barnyard sources say the reason the media has turned against Ivanka Trump is due to her conversion to Judaism.

  1017. Tina says:

    Imthought trump hated the jews. Him and bannon.

  1018. Cash Cow TM says:

    Gov. Justice calls WV legislature into special session beginning next Thursday, despite no agreement on plan forward to get a FY2018 budget passed.

    Walt smiling from ear to ear and LOL-ing, since he will not have to cancel his plans for next week.

    He also is saying to all concerned GFY.

  1019. Walt says:

    I am torn between doing outside work, or inside work.

    Like the donkey facing a choice between a bale of hay 20 feet to the right and another 20 feet to the left. I remain immobile.
    ##############################################
    Guess for starters I will go check the vole traps.
    Caught #15 day before yesterday…

  1020. Chicon says:

    Bitter – I know the feeling; I’m a Bear fan…..

  1021. Bitterlaw says:

    Chi – At least the Bears won one Super Bowl. The funny thing about the 1985 Bears Defensive Genius, Buddy Ryan, is that he is still revered as a hero in Philadelphia. The only problem is that he sucked as a Head Coach. Had one of the greatest defenses of all time in Philadelphia and never thought to have a game plan. I think he just expected to win every game 7-3.

  1022. Chicon says:

    Agreed, Bitter. The mid-80’s Bears and those Eagles were examples of the theory that offenses matter. The 86 and 87 Bears were also dominant, but lost in the playoffs after the QB got hurt. Both teams were fun to watch, though, and Buddy was a great character.

  1023. jason says:

    I don’t know what all the whining is about.

    Trump is not a conservative. He is not a Republican.

    Even NYC admitted that.

    The argument here was that he was “better than Hillary”.

    So far, I agree, he is better than Hillary.

    Some people are never happy.

  1024. Bitterlaw says:

    Every day that Hillary is not President is a good day.

  1025. jason says:

    If Republicans wanted a Republican and a conservative, they could have picked Rubio.

    They picked the guy who was a registered Dem until he was 60, contributed more money to Dems than Rs, stated he was very liberal on abortion and healthcare, and claimed Democratic policies were better for the economy than Republican policies.

    In addition, they picked the guy who if you read the posts by all his supporters, was a great “deal maker”.

    Now all of a sudden its a big surprise that he is willing to compromise and, OMG, make deals. He is not willing to defund planned parenthood (to which he used to contribute). He is not willing to do away with popular provisions of Obamacare after being on record as saying he believes in universal healthcare and “the government will pay for it”. He is not going to deport 12 million people after stating he would legalize most illegals eventually.

    For those that are disappointed, remember “he is better than Hillary”.

  1026. Chicon says:

    Bitter, it was all crystallized in one event for me. Gorsuch’s first question on the bench was something like “wouldn’t it be better if we just used the language of the statute?”

  1027. jason says:

    Every day that Hillary is not President is a good day.”

    That is certainly true.

    But the “all or nothing” crowd is already restless.

  1028. Chicon says:

    Jason, Trump has shown that, unlike the deadenders, he’s willing to settle for the best he can actually get. Good thing, imo.

  1029. jason says:

    Yeah, and think of Gorsuch.

    Hillary’s pick would already be thinking about how to destroy the 2nd Amendment.

  1030. NYCmike says:

    “But the “all or nothing” crowd is already restless.”

    -Exactly.

    I hope those “Main Street” moderate Republicans finally come around and support the new healthcare proposal.

  1031. jason says:

    Jason, Trump has shown that, unlike the deadenders, he’s willing to settle for the best he can actually get. Good thing, imo.”

    Hey man, that would get you thrown out of the “Freedom” caucus….

    Their motto is always “never settle for something when you can get nothing”.

  1032. jason says:

    hope those “Main Street” moderate Republicans finally come around and support the new healthcare proposal.”

    Translation…. 180 Republican should be blackmailed by 30 deadenders.

  1033. jason says:

    If I was a “moderate” R in congress, I would tell the deadenders, “hey didn’t you guys already opt for Obamacare? Enjoy it, and let’s move on”.

  1034. Bitterlaw says:

    If North Korea makes weapons as well as it makes videos, I think we are safe.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4452292/White-House-North-Korean-crosshairs-video-mock-up.html

  1035. NYCmike says:

    “Translation…. 180 Republican should be blackmailed by 30 deadenders.”

    -jason still thinks he is a mind-reader. Maybe he was at Hillary’s seance.

    Ryan did not hold the vote, because the numbers WERE NOT THERE. A 17% approval rating for a secret bill is bad, and barely any of those wonderful “moderates” you love to defend were willing to publicly go on record in favor of it.

    But keep telling yourself the “deadenders” are all-or-nothing, if it comforts you, like a blanket.

  1036. Tina says:

    Yes, every day, flub would have been marginaly better than hillary. I may have voted for him, but never her thighness.

  1037. Tina says:

    I would have done taxes first.

    Then repeal

    Then replace

    Those were the 3 steps.

  1038. Tina says:

    So fat mentaly ill has peed off usa, china, japan, , and now russia.

  1039. Chicon says:

    Jason – how can people who were actually elected (often with room to spare), be classified as deadenders?

  1040. Robbie says:

    As was sadly predictable, the measures it took to bring the HFC on board with Obamacare repeal are causing the moderates to go the other way.

    Drop this lead weight and move on to tax reform and infrastructure.

  1041. Chicon says:

    Oh, the concern….

  1042. Tina says:

    So, the moderates are now the deadenders?

    Lol

  1043. Robbie says:

    Public Opinion Strategy, a top Republican pollster surveyed 1000 Trump voters to get their thoughts on his first 1000 days. The comments about his Twitter habit are interesting.

    http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/center-for-politics-poll-takes-temperature-of-trump-voters-at-100-day-mark/

  1044. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    April 27, 2017 at 1:31 pm
    Oh, the concern….

    – Oh, your stupidity.

  1045. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    April 27, 2017 at 1:34 pm
    So, the moderates are now the deadenders?
    Lol

    – The whole process is a dead end because there’s nothing that can please both wings of the party or come close to passing the Senate.

    Sadly, I think Obamacare is here to stay. They may nibble around the edges and eventually repeal some of the taxes associated with it (medical device tax), but I don’t think a repeal and replacement is going to happen.

    Blame the HFC and blame the moderates. Blame CJ John Roberts. Blame Norm Coleman for losing to Al Fraken in 2008 and giving Democrats 60 votes in the Senate. Blame Alren Specter for switching parties in early 2009. Blame Republicans for overselling what they could do to stop Obamacare in 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016.

  1046. Chicon says:

    1077 – and you were doing so well for a couple days. But one negative data point and everything is ruined. Ruined, I say!!!

  1047. Bitterlaw says:

    Can we save a few thousand posts between now and 2018? Here are the basic posts:

    Robbie Style – If Trump is unpopular, the GOP will not do well in the 2018 elections.

    Tina Style – LOL. Trump is great. GFY.

    NYCmike – Go hard right or go home.

  1048. Chicon says:

    I’ll still gladly fly on Robbie’s plane, but I don’t think I’d want to follow him into battle.

  1049. Chicon says:

    Bitter, we can, but then we’d be down to seven posts per day….

  1050. jason says:

    yan did not hold the vote, because the numbers WERE NOT THERE.”

    They weren’t there because of the deadenders. They could afford to lose like 20+ votes. There were only a few moderates that were opposed probably like 5.

    With the deadenders withholding 30 votes, Ryan didn’t call the vote.

    But he should have called it, so we could all know who decided to keep Obamacare.

  1051. jason says:

    Blame Norm Coleman for losing to Al Fraken in 2008″

    He didn’t lose to Al Franken.

    Blame those that stole the election.

  1052. JC says:

    @1082
    “Bitter, we can, but then we’d be down to seven posts per day….”

    =======

    Well, it might help if the blog actually posted new content to drive or focus discussion. I mean, I get this is primarily a polling blog, but is it too much hard work to make one post a day?

    April 4/27/17 Open Thread
    -Here are the headlines.
    -Here are some opinion/election polls.
    -Here is the daily question. Discuss!

    Not that hard to do. It would certainly improve the site a whole lot. Instead, we get one topic-less post a week, which devolves into the same 4-5 posters sniping at each other.

  1053. Wobbles says:

    I’ll still gladly fly on Robbie’s plane,”

    Sorry, I use all the extra space in the crop duster for my Jeb! pamphlets to throw out the window.

  1054. Chicon says:

    1083 – might have been a good thing, considering it had under 20% support among the public.

  1055. jason says:

    “But is it too much hard work to make one post a day?”

    Why don’t you start your own blog, and then you can make as many posts as you like….

  1056. jason says:

    I can’t wait to get on JC’s blog so I can be critical of it.

  1057. jason says:

    1083 – might have been a good thing, considering it had under 20% support among the public.”

    Well, considering the Dems want to keep Obamacare and the bill was relentlessly attacked by the deadenders and the MSM its not surprising it was not popular.

    But NYC and others refused to answer my question:

    “Is it better than Obamacare?”

    They scurried away from the question like cockroaches from bug spray.

  1058. jason says:

    The comments about his Twitter habit are interesting.”

    Twitter is what got Trump elected.

    Twitter is what allows him to get his message out in the face of unwavering media hostility.

    Let’s face it, that is why Wobbie doesn’t like it.

  1059. Chicon says:

    1090 – well, Jerkcare (aka Obamacare) gets at least 40% approval, while Trump/RyanCare I got under 20%. So it appears Republicans and Democrats didn’t like it. Sounds like a loser to me…

  1060. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    Please change to “NYCmike – Go hard right AT THE BEGINNING OF ANY NEGOTIATION or go home.”

    Why would the “moderates” have an issue with trying to get as much as possible, and then compromising, IF NEEDED?

  1061. wraith says:

    Trump/RyanCare I got under 20%

    Because it didn’t repeal obamacare.

  1062. NYCmike says:

    ““Is it better than Obamacare?””

    -No idea whatsoever.

    BUT, the structure of Obamacare remained on the books, so if Republicans ever lost Congress, they could re-implement it quickly.

  1063. Chicon says:

    1094 – so then you think it’s good that the HFC withheld their support?

  1064. NYCmike says:

    Not sure why jason is already fighting the new bill…..we still have not seen the details.

    I don’t care if the HFC is saying they will vote for it….let’s see what the bill actually says, and then I can decide if I support it or not.

    The “moderates” may be correct in saying “No Deal!”.

  1065. jason says:

    Look, the deadenders are fighting so hard to keep Obamacare, let them have it and let’s move on.

  1066. NYCmike says:

    LOL!

  1067. NYCmike says:

    MC

  1068. jason says:

    -No idea whatsoever.”

    Ok, so since you don’t think it was better than Obamacare, you must prefer Obamacare to it.

    See, its not rocket science.

    The deadenders preferred the status quo to the replacement bill.

    So be it.

  1069. NYCmike says:

    Last time I wanted the bill put up for a vote.
    This time I want the bill put up for a vote.

    Last time jason wanted the bill put up for a vote.
    This time jason DOESN’T want the bill put up for a vote.

    I am consistent.
    jason is consistent…..in his inconsistency.

  1070. NYCmike says:

    -No idea whatsoever.”

    Ok, so since you don’t think it was better

    🙂

    The N Y Times has you back on this short list to become editor.

    They will send a short bus to pick you up for the interview.

  1071. NYCmike says:

    News Alert:

    jason is selling cr*p sandwiches that are better than those sold by Tim from GA.

    Story at 11.

  1072. jason says:

    This time jason DOESN’T want the bill put up for a vote.”

    Show me one place where I said that.

  1073. jason says:

    NYC is at war with himself again.

    -No idea whatsoever.”

    Ok, so since you don’t think it was better”

    “The N Y Times has you back on this short list to become editor.”

    Usually, if you have no idea, then you don’t think it was better.

    If you thought it was better, you would have some idea.

  1074. jason says:

    NYC is having a lot of trouble being honest and admitting he is comfortable with Obamacare being permanent rather than going with the “bad” replacement bill that only had 20% approval.

    What is so hard about that?

  1075. Chicon says:

    Robbie, can you make a post, so Mike and Jason can be on the same side?

  1076. jason says:

    ell, Jerkcare (aka Obamacare) gets at least 40% approval, while Trump/RyanCare I got under 20%. So it appears Republicans and Democrats didn’t like it. Sounds like a loser to me…”

    There you go. An honest person who admits he prefers Obamacare to Trump/Ryancare.

  1077. Tina says:

    You are not telling me anything new, Robbie. I have said for years here that the republicrats would not repeal obumblercare.

  1078. jason says:

    Still waiting for NYC to show me where I said I didn’t want the bill to come up for a vote.

    This could take awhile….

  1079. jason says:

    ?? I have said for years here that the republicrats would not repeal obumblercare.”

    Me too. For years I said once you implement an entitlement as big as Obamacare, its impossible to take it away.

    I have stated for years the popular provisions of Obamacare are here to stay. Elections have consequences, and Obamacare is a consequence.

    However, it can be improved, made more market friendly, less bureaucratic, more efficient, less costly, etc.

    But the deadenders want all or nothing, so that’s what they deserve, nothing.

  1080. NYCmike says:

    “Still waiting for NYC to show me where I said I didn’t want the bill to come up for a vote.”

    -You do want it to be voted on?

    Great!

    Let’s see if any Republicans would rather have this alternative, instead of Obamacare.

    Since we never voted on the first bill, we have no idea who preferred an alternative to Obamacare. (Talk is cheap, votes are currency. Take the vote!)

  1081. NYCmike says:

    “Me too. For years I said once you implement an entitlement as big as Obamacare, its impossible to take it away.”

    -Yes, that “squishiness disease” tends to be passed around from “moderate” to “moderate”.

  1082. Cash Cow TM says:

    Walt decided to do both the inside jobs AND the outside jobs.

    He is walking around, sweating bullets, telling all the inside and outside jobs to “Take THAT! And GFT.”

  1083. Cash Cow TM says:

    I kept telling Walt, why do ANY of the jobs if the NORKS are about to nuke the U.S. at any time anyway!

  1084. Cash Cow TM says:

    I say the U.S. invades Canada first.

    That will be a good practice run for invading North (the crazy one) Korea, Syria, Iran and Russia.

    We could allow Canada to still be sorta autonomous and carve out the NorthWest Territories as a land reserved to move all the anarchists and others we round up who support Gore, Soros, HRC and that ilk.

    Win-Win.

    They could carve out a liberal utopia, and the U.S. would be far more united–AND we the Rose PArade could be UN-canceled.

  1085. Cash Cow TM says:

    More united, except for the deadenders.

  1086. Cash Cow TM says:

    deadenders

    added sneer
    dense dread

  1087. NYCmike says:

    Man oh man, even the bovine is going after the “deadenders”.

  1088. Chicon says:

    1109 – is that what you took from that? Cool logic….

  1089. Cash Cow TM says:

    The liberal utopia created in the Northwest Territories would of course have no borders, no official language, be 50% LBGTQ, vow to free the NWT Native American Eskimo population from oppression, have no military, outlaw anything that makes anyone feel uncomfortable, not allow guns or Christian churches, adopt the snowflake as the national symbol, be a sanctuary for the isis whackadoodles, spend billions to turn snow into a power source, tax everyone making $100,000 at a 100% tax rate (except those in government positions), and apply to the U.S. for $500BB in foreign aid.

  1090. Cash Cow TM says:

    in a failed attempt to “TRY” to turn snow into an energy source…

  1091. jason says:

    “Yes, that “squishiness disease” tends to be passed around from “moderate” to “moderate”.

    Translation: yes, jason was right.

  1092. jason says:

    NYC must still be busy looking for where I said I didn’t want the bill to come up for a vote.

  1093. jason says:

    1109 – is that what you took from that? Cool logic…”

    Did I get it wrong?

    Sorry, Chicon does recognize the replacement bill is better than Obamacare.

  1094. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1112. “However, it can be improved, made more market friendly, less bureaucratic, more efficient, less costly, etc.”

    Agree with Jason. Your talking about an new entitlement that many people believe is keeping them alive, so it is not going to be repealed easily. The train left the station, and polls show the public does not want total repeal.

  1095. NYCmike says:

    jason says:
    April 27, 2017 at 5:20 pm

    NYC must still be busy looking for where I said I didn’t want the bill to come up for a vote.

    NYCmike says:
    April 27, 2017 at 4:23 pm

    “Still waiting for NYC to show me where I said I didn’t want the bill to come up for a vote.”

    -You do want it to be voted on?

  1096. Chicon says:

    Jason – I cited the 20% number as support for any Republican to reasonably decide not to support the bill. 20% means their constituencies did not support the bill. Politicians should -in my book – pay attention to their voters. I meant nothing more, or nothing less.

  1097. NYCmike says:

    “The train left the station, and polls show the public does not want total repeal.”

    -They have no idea how distorted the market is with all of the gov’t mandates and restrictions.

    BOLD action was necessary.

    Unfortunately, we left it up to career politicians, not leaders.

  1098. NYCmike says:

    “I meant nothing more, or nothing less.”

    -“Translation” in 3….2…..1…..

  1099. Chicon says:

    Listening to Tillerson on Fox. Impressive guy, imo. Seems like a quick study and a serious dude.

  1100. Tina says:

    Tillerson is the superstar of the cabinet.

  1101. Cash Cow TM says:

    Rex Tillerson

    li’l sexter Ron

  1102. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    April 27, 2017 at 2:11 pm
    I’ll still gladly fly on Robbie’s plane, but I don’t think I’d want to follow him into battle.

    – I’m not a Charge of the Light Brigade kind of guy.

    As MacArthur once said, “Hit ’em where they ain’t”.

  1103. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    April 27, 2017 at 2:47 pm
    The comments about his Twitter habit are interesting.”
    Twitter is what got Trump elected.
    Twitter is what allows him to get his message out in the face of unwavering media hostility.
    Let’s face it, that is why Wobbie doesn’t like it.

    – None of this is true. None of it.

    Trump won because America didn’t want Hillary to be president.

    His tweets have created significant problems for himself (wiretapping tweet).

    That’s why his campaign staff and his White House staff wish he’d stop tweeting.

  1104. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    April 27, 2017 at 3:58 pm
    Robbie, can you make a post, so Mike and Jason can be on the same side?

    – Marco and Ted suck. How’s that? 🙂

  1105. Tina says:

    Lol, stop tweeting.

  1106. Trump says:

    Hey fuc tard Robbie, how do you know what his staff want, moron?

    Without Twitter, trump is Jeb. A loser.

  1107. Trump says:

    If the reason for trump election was dislike for Hillary, Americans could have elected Jeb.

    But they did not.

    Ha ha ha .

  1108. Trump says:

    But regale us again, as$ wipe, with brokered convention carpools.

  1109. Trump says:

    Crapola, not carpools

  1110. Mr.Vito says:

    Trump won. If I could have a do-over right now with Rubio, Cruz, Walker, or whoever, I’ll pass.

    The bird in hand has done just fine by me thus far.

  1111. Robbie says:

    Tinfoil still hasn’t figured out the wiretap tweet was a month long disaster for Trump that took his approval rating from 45% in the RCP average to 39.8% in just four weeks time.

    But by all means, write something stupid about Evelyn Farkas or copy and paste some piece of garbage from Gateway Pundit, Mike Cernovich, or John “CNN is Hitler” Nolte.

  1112. Trump says:

    As$hat, stick to brokered convention, moron.

    Anything else is beyond your comprehension, Jeb coc-sucker.

  1113. Trump says:

    You are the stupidest person anywhere,. And that is saying a lot, given the la raza pimp and the fake lawyer on this site.

  1114. Trump says:

    Jeb really fuc$ed your brains, didn’t he?

  1115. jason says:

    NYCmike says:
    April 27, 2017 at 4:23 pm

    “Still waiting for NYC to show me where I said I didn’t want the bill to come up for a vote.”

    -You do want it to be voted on?

    LOL

    Nice moving of the goal posts

    “This time jason DOESN’T want the bill put up for a vote.”

    Where did I say that? Find it yet?

    You could of course admit you were wrong.

  1116. jason says:

    I am sure the MSM is dying to investigate “Mrs. Sanders U.”

    https://vtdigger.org/2017/04/27/emails-reveal-fbi-justice-probe-burlington-college/

  1117. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    The point is that you keep saying the HFC WANT Obamacare, yet they NEVER VOTED AGAINST THE BILL to replace Obamacare.

    If Ryan gets a vote now, and the “moderates” vote against, I am SURE that you will repeat, over and over and over, that they OWN Obamacare.

    The best part is if this bill sucks, which it might, the “moderates” will be doing the right thing, yet because of your illogical rantings about the HFC, you will own Obamacare as well.

  1118. NYCmike says:

    “Nice moving of the goal posts”

    -Where did I move them?

    Tebow is looking for them.

  1119. NYCmike says:

    “You could of course admit you were wrong.”

    -If you want the vote to see who wants or does not want Obamacare, then just say that.

    But please stop ranting about the HFC, since they have NOT voted against anything, yet.

  1120. NYCmike says:

    Anyway, have a nice night.

    Cheers.

  1121. Where's Melania? says:

    I think that Trump is doing better. The tax plan is excellent and he nominated Gorsuch. Consumer Confidence is at an all time. Indeed says good paying jobs will be available for college graduates this summer. I can’t wait for the first state dinner. I don’t know what else he can do.

  1122. Trump says:

    Even Ryan didn’t want to vote for his cra- bill.

    Obamacare approval 44%, Ryancare approval 17%. That takes some doing.

  1123. Tina says:

    Stop tweeting trump

    Jebot has asked you too.

  1124. Tina says:

    Does sopan and maggie hack agree, stay off twitter?

  1125. Bitterlaw says:

    Every player selected in he first 9 picks of the NFL Draft has praise God, said he believed in God’s plan, and/or plans to give glory to God.

    Jason hardest hit.

  1126. Cash Cow TM says:

    Look for Shepherd University offensive end Billy Brown to be drafted by someone.

  1127. Proud Obamacon says:

    Yall are so messed up. Repeal Obamacare already. Damn yall. You got the House, the Senate, the WH.. what’s wrong? ? ? REPEAL ITTTT

    LOL

  1128. Bitterlaw says:

    I will, Cash Cow.

  1129. jason says:

    Anyway, have a nice night.

    Cheers.”

    Translation: I couldn’t find where jason said he didn’t want a vote, I am too much of a pussy to admit I was wrong, so I leave a la Corey.

  1130. jason says:

    “Denver Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow has come under attack from sports analysts for being vocal about the role his Christian faith plays in his National Football League career.
    Before his second professional season has even begun, naysayers are questioning his confidence that relies on his Christian beliefs.

    CBSSports.com national columnist Gregg Doyel recently analyzed Tebow’s interview with Denver Post and said the way he equated his love for God in heaven with tangible rewards on earth amounted to blasphemy. “

  1131. jason says:

    “So what’s the anti-Tebow sentiment all about? Is it really just his mechanics? Is it really the trajectory of his passes? Or is it something else? Could it be the dreaded C-word? Christianity? In many ways, I believe it is just that. One would think someone with Tebow’s grit would be applauded by the vast majority of fans and analysts. Getting it done without all the physical skills of a Manning or a Brady. That’s commendable, right? Well, it usually is. When Ben Roethlisberger had a horrible game in Super Bowl XL, he was praised because he still found a way to pull it out. When Brett Favre would throw mind-boggling interception after mind-boggling interception, he was called a gunslinger or a gambler. In other sports, the guys who make up for athletic limitations with good old fashioned toughness and attitude are praised. Fans love energy. They love spirit. As long as that spirit isn’t too holy.

    How else can you explain the lambasting of potential transactions that aren’t even close to being made a reality? After hearing the Tebow to Chicago rumors, some writers penned comments like “Just Say No” and “Bears Must Kill Any and All Tim Tebow Speculation.”

  1132. jason says:

    “Wherever devout Christian quarterback Tim Tebow goes, he is dogged by the hatred of those who cannot stand him or his faith. Tebow was traded from the Denver Broncos to the New York Jets amid much media fanfare, and some sportswriters naturally used the occasion to engage in personal attacks on Tebow, his religion, and his fans.

    MSNBC invited Nation sports editor Dave Zirin to give his opinion on Tebow’s move to New York. Zirin bizarrely argued that “there are a lot of LGBT people that live in New York City who are also football fans”and that “the new, possibly, starting quarterback for the New York Jets wants them to move backwards 30 or 40 years.”(The Denver Broncos refused to participate in anti-heterosexual Dan Savage’s “It Gets Better Project” when Tebow was still on the Broncos, drawing the ire of the gay community and the left-wing media.)

    Other writers also used the occasion to launch biting attacks on Tebow and his fans. CBSChicago.com writer Dan Bernstein called Tebow fans “lunatic-fringe cultists,” and pronounced Tebow to be “little more than an affable simpleton.” The Atlantic put out a piece with the mocking headline “New York City Sports, Now with Even More Jesus.”

  1133. jason says:

    “The journalists at Good Morning America on Friday altered a quote from an ESPN reporter, turning a question about Tim Tebow into a declaration that the faith of the quarterback is why he’s such an “astonishingly polarizing,” “divisive figure.”

    On ESPN 2’s First Take, Skip Bayless wondered, “Do you believe your faith is the biggest reason you’re such an astonishingly polarizing figure, a divisive figure in the country? Everybody has a strong opinion, love him or hate him, on Tebow.”

  1134. jason says:

    Bitter hardest hit.

  1135. Bitterlaw says:

    Poor Jason. For some reason, he thinks that I said that Tebow’s faith did not make him a polarizing figure. I never said that. What I said is that the NFL will always take truly talented players even if they are openly religious. I think that the Cleveland Browns have drafted 27 QB’s in the last 3 years. If Tebow could play well, he would be signed now.

  1136. Bitterlaw says:

    It is amazing that Mel Kiper makes 300 Mock Drafts and then acts surprised when the teams don’t follow his script.

  1137. Robbie says:

    There have been lots positives to come from Trump’s first 100 days, but his penchant to say things like this is not one of them.

    CNBC?
    @CNBC

    Trump threatens to terminate free trade deal with S Korea, wants Seoul to pay for THAAD: Reuters

    At the very time Trump and North Korea are involved in high stakes saber rattling, he threatens an ally that would bear an unspeakable cost of war with a trade war and payment for an anti-missile system that protects American troops.

    Dumb. Absolutely dumb.

  1138. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Fox News Poll: Americans favor U.S. military action to stop North Korea’s nuclear weapons.
    53%-39%

  1139. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    April 27, 2017 at 9:00 pm
    Stop tweeting trump

    Jebot has asked you too.

    – Stop wearing a tinfoil hat and reading Gateway Pundit.

  1140. Mr.Vito says:

    “What I said is that the NFL will always take truly talented players even if they are openly religious.”

    Actually, that’s what I said. You said his Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with his being out of the league. There are plenty of journeyman in the NFL who are not superstars… if they had baggage, they would be gone in a heartbeat… jason’s comments support his position while yours did not refute his.

  1141. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    April 27, 2017 at 10:33 pm
    Fox News Poll: Americans favor U.S. military action to stop North Korea’s nuclear weapons.
    53%-39%

    – A great example of why it’s not smart to govern by polling. The number of people who would die in a war with North Korea, both military and civilian, would something not seen in a loooong time. The American public would recoil at the scenes and death and destruction.

    In 2013 when tensions flared like this, I read an estimate of what a war would look like. After a massive artillery barrage that crippled Seoul, the North Korean ground attack would likely be able to advance South for 7 to 10 days before South Korean and American troops could launch a counter offensive that would start to push the North Koreans back across the 38th.

    The humanitarian disaster would be immense. And if, God forbid, the South Korean military wasn’t up to the challenge, it might take American forces months to move from America to South Korea.

  1142. Bitterlaw says:

    Mr. Vito – I disagree. Kurt Warner and Reggie White and Brian Dawkins and many current players in the NFL prove my point. GFY. Respectfully.

  1143. Mr.Vito says:

    “At the very time Trump and North Korea are involved in high stakes saber rattling, he threatens an ally that would bear an unspeakable cost of war with a trade war and payment for an anti-missile system that protects American troops.

    Dumb. Absolutely dumb.”

    Actually, this would be a perfect time to renegotiate a treaty signed by Hillary that has doubled our trade deficit with South Korea in five years to 27.7 billion dollars while being protected by our troops and a missile system 1/25 of that deficit considering we own it and could simply move it at any time.

  1144. Mr.Vito says:

    “Kurt Warner and Reggie White and Brian Dawkins and many current players in the NFL prove my point.”

    You mean my point… Superstars, not journeymen.

  1145. Mr.Vito says:

    *signed by* should be *promoted by* of course.

  1146. Bitterlaw says:

    Mr. Vito calls Tebow a journeyman. Is Jason going to stand for that?

  1147. Wes says:

    I have a thought:

    If Tebow were as profoundly skilled at NFL-style football as he is deeply religious, the NFL would have a place for him.

    Probably a solid 80% or more of NFL plsyers claim religious affiliation of some sort, so I find the argument that Tebow isn’t a player because of his faith as persuasive as the Dem argument yhat Trump won PA because of the newly found bogryman known as gerrymandering.

  1148. Wes says:

    Tebow was a high-profile draft pick and Heisman finalist. He couldn’t handle the NFL like many others. That’s why he’s no longer a player.

  1149. Mr.Vito says:

    “I find the argument that Tebow isn’t a player because of his faith…”

    No one made that argument, so you can rest easy.

  1150. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes is an atheist or agnostic or something like that. He has no dog in this fight. Good insight because he agrees with me.

  1151. Wes says:

    Except Jason in Post 1166, Vito:

    jason says:
    April 27, 2017 at 10:05 pm
    “Wherever devout Christian quarterback Tim Tebow goes, he is dogged by the hatred of those who cannot stand him or his faith. Tebow was traded from the Denver Broncos to the New York Jets amid much media fanfare, and some sportswriters naturally used the occasion to engage in personal attacks on Tebow, his religion, and his fans.

    MSNBC invited Nation sports editor Dave Zirin to give his opinion on Tebow’s move to New York. Zirin bizarrely argued that “there are a lot of LGBT people that live in New York City who are also football fans”and that “the new, possibly, starting quarterback for the New York Jets wants them to move backwards 30 or 40 years.”(The Denver Broncos refused to participate in anti-heterosexual Dan Savage’s “It Gets Better Project” when Tebow was still on the Broncos, drawing the ire of the gay community and the left-wing media.)

    Other writers also used the occasion to launch biting attacks on Tebow and his fans. CBSChicago.com writer Dan Bernstein called Tebow fans “lunatic-fringe cultists,” and pronounced Tebow to be “little more than an affable simpleton.” The Atlantic put out a piece with the mocking headline “New York City Sports, Now with Even More Jesus.”

  1152. Wes says:

    I have exactly no interest in Tebow’s faith. He had a decent sophomore season in the NFL and flopped thereafter. Thus, he went the way of Tim Rattay and Daunte Culpepper.

  1153. PresidentPaul! says:

    More on why Westbrook should not be MVP

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-thunder-werent-built-for-the-modern-nba/?addata=espn:nba:index

    “Oklahoma City’s glaring lack of shooting is nothing new. The team shot just 31.1 percent from 3 in the series, and that’s humiliating, sure, but it’s also not too far off of the Thunder’s regular season average of 32.7. Westbrook himself threw up brick after brick, going 13 for 49 from 3 (26.5 percent), many in the desperate fourth-quarter scrums that always seem to wrap up Oklahoma City’s games. But this paucity of reliable shooters isn’t simply because Kevin Durant left town over the summer and the team traded Serge Ibaka for Victor Oladipo; it’s the result of a yearslong failure of the Thunder to find perimeter players who fit the modern NBA landscape.”

    High volume poor shots on a team that is completely nonviable for the modern MVP.

    Why does that deserve MVP…

  1154. Mr.Vito says:

    “Except Jason in Post 1166, Vito:”

    Except what? jason did not say what you claim…

    You’ve jumped into something going back several days where jason said that saying Tebow’s faith played no role in his NFL exit is moronic, which is not the same as what you said.

    And that quote backs up his claim.

  1155. Mr.Vito says:

    Several outlets reported actual quotes from coaches and executives that Tebow was a no-go because of the distraction (the NFL loves that word) that followed him. We know that distraction was in part based on his faith.

    So jason’s sentiment is not going to be proven wrong here.

  1156. Wes says:

    It did play no role in his exit. His decreasing skill level did.

    Also, Jason cited a Nation columnist’s opinion to back up his claim rather than an NFL representative. Nothing Jason posted says anything but that anti-Christian leftwingers in the media didn’t like the fact that Tebow is overt about his faith.

    Until and unless the NFL actually says Tebow is no longer a player because of his Christianity, I’ll go with the empirical evidence that he wasn’t very good after the 2011 season.

    It’s much easier to blame bigotry against his faith for his departure from the NFL than to acknowledge he was routinely throwing balls 10 feet over his receivers’ heads.

  1157. Wes says:

    Tebow’s supporters are like Hillary’s:

    They’d rather blame something extraneous than acknowledge the technical flaws of the object of thdir veneration.

  1158. Wes says:

    Their*

  1159. Mr.Vito says:

    “It did play no role in his exit.”

    As I said, you aren’t going to be able to prove that. The empirical evidence (actual quotes of people who made actual decisions) say that it did matter. He was not given the reps after 2011 and even his biggest skeptic in the world, Stephen A. Smith said his was misused and treated unfairly by the Jets.

    This is just going to have to be an opinion on both your parts. You have no more evidence than he does.

  1160. Mr.Vito says:

    “They’d rather blame something extraneous than acknowledge the technical flaws of the object of thdir veneration.”

    jason: It played some role.
    Wes: It played no role.

    Your opinion is the more difficult one to prove. Jason has met his standard, and enough holes have been poked into yours that you cannot remove the doubt in yours.

    You are welcome to keep it, though, obviously.

  1161. Mr.Vito says:

    After all, it could still be true.

  1162. Mr.Vito says:

    Vito: It may have played some role.

    My opinion is the easiest to prove.

  1163. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1175. “A great example of why it’s not smart to govern by polling. The number of people who would die in a war with North Korea, both military and civilian, would something not seen in a loooong time. The American public would recoil at the scenes and death and destruction.”

    You have just laid out one of your fantasy scenarios again. The issue is we are near the last chance of preventing North Korea from being able to deliver nuclear armed missiles to the U.S. Removing the threat by a strategy strike does not entail the north invading the south in response, and do not assume the U.S and South Korea are not prepared for all possible scenarios. And by the way, there already are 15 U.S. bases in South Korea, with 30,000 U.S. troops. So there is no time lag in getting troops there.

  1164. ??? says:

    ????????????????

  1165. Tina says:

    If trump stops tweeting and stops having bannon draft his executive orders, i will not call for for a brokered convention.

    My polling from mafgie suggest a 64 percent chance of a brokered convention.

    My fellow friends at kos suggest a 102 percent chance.

  1166. jason says:

    Mr. Vito is correct. I am not claiming religion was the only reason Tebow didn’t make it in the NFL, or even that it was the main reason.

    But to deny the relentless and over the top hostility by the sports MSM, the regular MSM and even other players (based on his religious beliefs AND how he showed them) made it much more difficult for him to be considered based only on his potential to help a team seems delusional to me.

    Very few coaches and owners were willing to weather the controversial atmosphere surrounding Tebow, especially considering he was not being recruited as a starter.

    So yes, his religion DID hurt his career.

  1167. jason says:

    Kurt Warner and Reggie White and Brian Dawkins and many current players in the NFL>..”

    Zzzzz…garbage argument

    So some players who were religious (but displayed it differently) than Tebow were successful in the NFL?

    So that means Tebow could not have been hurt by his religion and the fact he wasn’t a scumbag?

    I hope you don’t make that kind of argument in court.

    I never saw Warner subject to that kind of personal attack, btw, maybe because during the beginning of his career the sports MSM wasn’t dominated by leftwing political hacks.

  1168. Bitterlaw says:

    Too bad MD, Author and Corey left. This guy hates Trump at least as much as they do.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/It-may-take-years-to-undo-damage-from-Trumps-1st-100-days.html

  1169. jason says:

    I am sure NYC will support this moderate for withholding his support for the bill like he did the deadenders.

    I am 100% sure.

    “Protections for those with pre-existing conditions without contingency and affordable access to coverage for every American remain my priorities for advancing health care reform, and this bill does not satisfy those benchmarks for me,” said Rep. Ryan Costello, a centrist Pennsylvania Republican who voted for an earlier version of the bill in committee. “I remain a no vote on this bill in its current form.”

  1170. Bitterlaw says:

    I hope you don’t make that kind of argument in court.

    When you get a law license and practice for 24 years you can judge me on what I say in court. Until then, GFY.

    As for Tebow, I will just say it. I respect his faith and life story. However, I prefer quieter and less showy displays of faith. I have seen many players score touchdowns and point at the sky or cross themselves. “Tebowing” was a bit too showy for me. Notice I said “for me.” If Tebow had the skills of Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady, he could Tebow all day every day and ten times on Sunday and he would still be in the NFL.

  1171. Bitterlaw says:

    Sometimes, you do not get what you paid for.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4454690/Bahamas-festival-backed-models-descends-chaos.html

    What’s wrong with feral dogs? They just want love, too.

  1172. jason says:

    I am a foreign policy hawk but SD is correct that a war with N Korea would produce a lot of casualties. I would guess most of the current contingent in South Korea of 30k troops would get wiped out before enough other resources could be brought to bear, they are just too close to the border, and N Korea won’t care how many casualties they incur.

    It might just be better to starve KIm out. Yes, cruel to the people of N Korea but probably cheaper in terms of lives lost. And if he does launch an attack because he ran out of food it will be from a much weaker position.

  1173. jason says:

    When you get a law license and practice for 24 years you can judge me on what I say in court. Until then, GFY.”

    Ma, we reeled in a Bitterfish. A real whopper too….

  1174. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m glad you are proud, Jason. By the way, you suck at your job. How do I know this? I read your posts at HHR and we all know that this is the place to evaluate people’s real lives.

  1175. jason says:

    However, I prefer quieter and less showy displays of faith.”

    Counselor, stick to the facts of the case.

    Whether you (or I) think Tebow was too “showy” is not relevant to the issue of whether it hurt his career.

  1176. jason says:

    Zzzz….

    Bitter is feeling sorry for himself again.

    I stand by my point that your argument would be laughed out of court.

    That being said, I am sure your are a very competent attorney, and would be happy to have you represent me.

  1177. Bitterlaw says:

    While I agree with Jason in theory, how does the world sanction or starve out a country used to living with nothing. China would probably love to wipe out North Korea but then it will have a lot of desperate North Koreans crashing its border.

    Of course, if the crazy fat tyrant uses nukes, all bets are off. US nuclear weapons would be a problem because radiation will float to South Korea. How many MOABs do we have?

  1178. jason says:

    Pro-bono of course, I can’t afford big time Philly lawyer fees.

  1179. Bitterlaw says:

    I stand by my point that your argument would be laughed out of court.

    I wish that my day consisted of arguing about Tebow than dealing with real clients.

  1180. Bitterlaw says:

    Whether you (or I) think Tebow was too “showy” is not relevant to the issue of whether it hurt his career.

    Your main argument is that his open display of faith hurt his career.

    I would never charge you big time Philly lawyer fees. Of course, your llama looks pretty.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS1RGSlGC7I

  1181. NYCmike says:

    ““Protections for those with pre-existing conditions without contingency and affordable access to coverage for every American remain my priorities for advancing health care reform”

    -Sounds like he wants single-payer, or Obamacare.

    “Protections……” = Obamacare, and why would anyone buy insurance NOW, if they can get sick and then be guaranteed protections “without contingency”.

    “affordable access to coverage” = serious? Access means NOTHING, if there are too many patients and not enough doctors. This sounds like a military triage unit, where Pierce and Hawk-eye go around assessing each individual. Of course, if it is Frank Burns, and you have a really bad wound, you may be considered too far gone to save, and be left to die (same thinking as Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s brother).

  1182. NYCmike says:

    “How many MOABs do we have?”

    -I only know of one left that is in Utah.

    Nice place for mountain bike riding, on BLM land, although not sure if the Bundy’s took that space over as well.

  1183. NYCmike says:

    What problem does the Fat Toady have with Utah?

  1184. Bitterlaw says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4454304/Arkansas-executes-fourth-death-row-inmate-eight-days.html

    While I do not believe a person can escape their past or be redeemed, at least he apologized. When you do something terrible, you can never make up for it.

  1185. Cash Cow TM says:

    When we go to war with the NORKS, the first wave of planes drops loads of hot dogs, ‘tater chips and other food onto the front line NORK troops, with notes attached saying there is lots more food for them when they lay down their arms.

    Then after they lay down their arms, we depose the NORK nutcase and embrace the U.S., we send the NORKS army to Syria to defeat isis.

    Easy peasy.

  1186. jason says:

    -Sounds like he wants single-payer, or Obamacare.”

    Whatever, I am sure you will support his decision to vote against the bill like you supported the deadenders.

    After all, they wanted Obamacare too.

  1187. jason says:

    jason’s comments support his position while yours did not refute his.”

    I have to go with the current governor’s opinion rather than the former’s.

    No, it has nothing with always wanting to be close to the seat of power.

  1188. Bitterlaw says:

    So Mr. Vito agrees with Jason. Wes agrees with me. HHR holds its breath to see if peace can reign or if 3 A-holes and an amoral predator of emotionally damaged women are going to fight.

  1189. jason says:

    Personally I prefer peace. GFY if you don’t.

  1190. Cash Cow TM says:

    Pro feetsball first round draft picks:

    Players from Abalama 4
    Players from LSU 3

  1191. Chicon says:

    1224 – I prefer war. GFY if you don’t.

  1192. Bitterlaw says:

    Players from Temple – 1
    Temple QB may also get drafted.

  1193. jason says:

    I prefer war. GFY if you don’t.”

    I know we have too many A-holes already, but if there is a vacancy Chicon has potential.

  1194. jason says:

    Bitter, if you see wvally on FB tell her we miss our only female A-hole.

  1195. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    April 28, 2017 at 2:10 am
    1175. “A great example of why it’s not smart to govern by polling. The number of people who would die in a war with North Korea, both military and civilian, would something not seen in a loooong time. The American public would recoil at the scenes and death and destruction.”
    You have just laid out one of your fantasy scenarios again. The issue is we are near the last chance of preventing North Korea from being able to deliver nuclear armed missiles to the U.S. Removing the threat by a strategy strike does not entail the north invading the south in response, and do not assume the U.S and South Korea are not prepared for all possible scenarios. And by the way, there already are 15 U.S. bases in South Korea, with 30,000 U.S. troops. So there is no time lag in getting troops there.

    – I don’t believe North Korea has any interest in attacking the US. They know any war would end the existance of North Korea. They want a weapon to ensure we never invade.

    People always say North Korea is crazy. I think they are very rational actors.

  1196. Bitterlaw says:

    Bitter, if you see wvally on FB tell her we miss our only female A-hole.

    We don’t need female A-holes. We’re men.

    Gayest post?

  1197. jason says:

    I’m inclined to agree with Wobbie on N. Korea. Kim is mentally unbalanced, but would probably like to stay in power rather fight a war he is sure to lose.

    He lacks the religious component of the Islamic radicals so might not be suicidal.

    I hope so anyway.

  1198. jason says:

    I always thought DeMint was wrong for the Heritage Foundation.

    They are not supposed to be partisan political actors, they are supposed to be a think tank that provides a solid foundation for conservative thought, which in turn influences the political debate rather than taking part in it.

    In other words, they provide the ammunition but aren’t the gun that fires it.

  1199. jason says:

    We don’t need female A-holes. We’re men.

    Gayest post?”

    Yeah, could make gayest of the month.

  1200. Chicon says:

    Jason – I appreciate your support.

  1201. Chicon says:

    Bitter – have the Bears drafted the new Cutler? What are your thoughts on the Eagles new defensive lineman?

  1202. Cash Cow TM says:

    I feel like we are all orphans here.

    Our master Dave W. has abandoned us and left us to our own devices.

    Walt says if we go to war with the NORKS this afternoon, call him. He will be spreading mulch.

  1203. Cash Cow TM says:

    While Walt works, I will cogitate.
    ####################################
    Congress approval rating remains super low.

    What must congress do to regain majority approval of the public?
    I think is goes much deeper than failure to repeal Obamacare…

    What is the list of things that cause Congress to be ranked so low and held in such low esteem?

  1204. Robbie says:

    As far as DeMint goes, is anyone really surprised a person who never played well with others is being forced out for not playing well with others?

    DeMint turned Heritage from a conservative policy think tank into a Tea Party pressure group. Rather than offer constructive policy ideas, he and Michael Needham spent their time hunting heretical RINO’s and key voting legislation that often hurt the ability of the Republican Party to govern.

    But at least DeMint got rich. Last year, he got over $1 million from heritage.

  1205. Robbie says:

    I’m hard pressed to think of a time Brit Hume was wrong. He was and remains the best thing FoxNews has produced.

    Brit Hume?
    @brithume 2m
    2 minutes ago

    He made it more about politics, less about policy.–> DeMint to be ousted at Heritage Fdn http://politi.co/2oFHrGG

  1206. Robbie says:

    An interesting take on Trump’s polling from Mark Penn, Bill Clinton and Harry Reid’s pollster.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/331038-why-the-polls-are-wrong-about-trump-again

  1207. Bitterlaw says:

    Bitter – have the Bears drafted the new Cutler? What are your thoughts on the Eagles new defensive lineman?

    Chi – Cutler was a p*ssy. Hard for a rookie to step into that role right away. I know the Eagles needed another DE. I think that he will be good but I always look to be disappointed.

  1208. Chicon says:

    1241 – I’m hard pressed to think of a time I disagreed with Brit Hume. Fixed it for you….

    Agree on Hume – generally one of the adults in the room.

  1209. jason says:

    At the beginning of election night coverage, Brit Hume came up with “the exits say Hillary won women by a bigger percentage than Trump won men so this thing could be over before it starts”

  1210. Chicon says:

    1245 – well, there goes that perfection thing….

  1211. Robbie says:

    I don’t think it’s fair to criticize Hume or anyone else for using exit polls. There’s an expectation they are accurate and professionally done. And going back over the last decade, the exits were very good.

  1212. Mr.Vito says:

    “could be over before it starts”

    Nothing wrong with that… compare that to Luntz, who all but declared it was over and gloated about it.

  1213. Wes says:

    DeMint is a bellicose, showboating gasbag obsessed with advancing…Jim DeMint. He led the charge to ensure Republicans couldn’t take the Senate in 2010 or 2012 because of poor candidate recruitment and bailed on the Senate after realizing he’d sidelined in the 113th Congress while having less of a voice because of the presence of his Texan doppelganger, Ted Cruz.

    Now he’s out of another job. I wonder how he plans to throw his bombs now.

  1214. Wes says:

    Supposedly Brit Hume banged Megyn Kelly (though this may be only a rumor).

    If so, he deserves accolades and the gift of a premium cigar.

  1215. Bitterlaw says:

    NEW THREAD!!!!! THE WIZARD LIVES!