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Murphy Dominates Guadango in NJ

Yesterday Quinnipiac University released a poll for the state of New Jersey showing the chances of Republicans holding the gubernatorial mansion after Chris Christie are pretty slim.

GOVERNOR – NEW JERSEY (Quinnipiac)
Phil Murphy (D) 50%
Kim Guadango (R) 25%

Phil Murphy (D) 41%
Kim Guadango (R) 24%
Joe Piscopo (I) 14%

This poll was done April 26-May 1 among 1209 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 9:29 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (251)

251 Responses to “Murphy Dominates Guadango in NJ”

  1. Bitterlaw says:

    First.

  2. Bitterlaw says:

    No one complains about the cost of homeowners and auto insurance.

    Obviously never been to Philadelphia or New Jersey.

  3. Bitterlaw says:

    I believe I was the first one to use the word “deadender” at HHR. To me, Christine O’Donnell is the embodiment of a deadender. Determined to take down a guaranteed Republican winner because they were not pure enough so a Democrat could be elected.

  4. Chicon says:

    Bitter, was she the deadender? Or were the purists who supported her? Or both? If a person is elected, does that mean they cannot be a deadender?

    Just want to make sure I don’t get crossways with any A-holes….

  5. Cash Cow TM says:

    Walt, Mrs. Walt and I are living large at Blackwater State Park!

    Calling for rain and cold here in the next couple days. Even snow forecast for Sat. night.

    Oh well,
    if life gives you snow,
    make snow cream.

  6. Bitterlaw says:

    If a person is elected, does that mean they cannot be a deadender?

    They can be elected by other deadenders in a deadender-friendly district.

  7. Mr.Vito says:

    Chances of retrieving anything from the buffet line after Chris Christie are equally slim.

  8. Chicon says:

    Bitter, so “deadender” is not about electability?

  9. Mr.Vito says:

    You might be a defender if…

  10. Tina says:

    Did somebody memtion buffet? I am eating at the ceesars palace vegas buffet.

    Yummy

  11. Tina says:

    Newt Gingrich @newtgingrich
    Mark Meadows deserves credit for insisting from day one that a compromise could be found. He showed real leadership.

    Meaningless since senate wont take up the bill.

    I suspect there are some az rs plus the maine chicklet in love with obubmkercare.

  12. Bitterlaw says:

    Chi- Deadenders care more about sending a message than being elected. They can win but don’t seem bothered by a Democrat winning as long as pure deadender message is ent.

  13. PresidentPaul! says:

    The Bolivarian Revolución has failed.

    Our US tax payer funded Universities are now demanding to have one here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uL-hjxKn5c

  14. Tina says:

    Morning Joe’ Co-Hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski Engaged!

    Nbc will allow them to work tgether?

  15. Chicon says:

    14 – well, one works under the other…..

  16. Tina says:

    Or who wears the pants in that family?

  17. PresidentPaul! says:

    Rand Paul discusses the house bill.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADvuzBgS2Fw

    Bill looks pretty bad as usual.

    The vote should been a full repeal and force the moderates to vote whatever they were going to vote so their districts could help get rid of those republicans.

    But Paul Ryan wants to protect the “moderate” and Obamacare so their is rot within the leadership.

  18. PresidentPaul! says:

    there

  19. Wes says:

    Tina suspects people who have routinely voted against Obamacare love it.

    ::facepalm::

  20. NYCmike says:

    “Tina suspects people who have routinely voted against Obamacare love it.”

    -Wes believes people who have routinely voted against Obamacare when Obama was in power but now refuse to vote for the same bill when Trump is in power are honest, principled politicians.

    ::facepalm & shakes head in wonderment at the ignorance of such “smart” people::

  21. Walt says:

    Damage to wife’s car due to being rearended last month has how escalated to $5400…

  22. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt – Cash Cow told me that she was in the back seat of the car and her neck hurts. Need a lawyer?

  23. ssq says:

    But I’ve seen it applied to Republicans who were actually elected. ”

    Right Chicon, you have a very limited definition of deadender. True, the candidates candidates that take safe R seats and give them to Democrats are deadenders, as well as those that support them.

    Deadenders are also morons that:

    1. Prefer grandstanding to governing.

    2. Prefer an “all or nothing” approach to everything so they end up getting nothing while the Democrats get everything.

    3. Belong to the “Freedom” Caucus, who really make it easy for Democrats to win.

    Hope its clear now.

  24. ssq says:

    Point 3 got cut off… it should read

    Belong to the “Freedom” Caucus, who really make it easy for Democrats to win their agenda.

  25. jason says:

    Bitter, so “deadender” is not about electability?”

    No, not at all.

    Ted Cruz can get elected in Texas, still a deadender.

    BTW, I agree with everything ssq says.

  26. jason says:

    BTW, I agree with everything ssq says.:

    Huh, in posts 23 and 24.

  27. Wes says:

    Payrolls rise by 211,000; joblessness drops to 4.4%.

    How much either Trump or Obama is responsible for this is debatable, though Trump will get credit.

    (Before anyone has the Hellhounds attack me, each President in the first two years of his term is dealing with the effects, positive or negative, of the previous President’s economic policies. That’s why I said Obama’s effect on the improving jobs numbers is unclear.)

  28. NYCmike says:

    “1. Prefer grandstanding to governing.”

    McCain?
    Graham?
    Flake?
    Murkowski?
    Collins?
    Corker & Alexander?

  29. Tina says:

    I suspect I will be proven right again when. It comes up for a vote in the senate.

    Seems like the suspects vote one way to win an election and then they do the opposite.

    Just like mcamnesty calling for a russia trump investigation, when there is no evidence of any collussion.

  30. Tina says:

    I should have added, it may not even come up for a vote. So, if it does.

    Hopefully, the ky drunk can incorporate so calles phase 2 into it

  31. JC says:

    “Morning Joe’ Co-Hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski Engaged!”
    ==========
    Heh

    @realDonaldTrump
    Some day, when things calm down, I’ll tell the real story of @JoeNBC and his very insecure long-time girlfriend, @morningmika. Two clowns!
    8/22/16

  32. Tina says:

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/05/04/so-that-russian-dossier-might-have-been-funded-by-the-russians-n2321840

    Senator Brassley has been an all star senator for the conservative side. Shephered the sc pick through and is really asking great questions about the dossier.

    If the russians interfered in our election, they could have interefered against trump with the dossier.

    A new weinkle perhaps?

  33. NYCmike says:

    “Payrolls rise by 211,000; joblessness drops to 4.4%.”

    -Wes,

    I think Labor Dept should be telling all of the numbers about how many people DROPPED OUT of workforce.

    We all know that the unemployment is higher than 5%.

  34. NYCmike says:

    JC,

    Is that a real tweet?

    Oh My Lord! “CG” may re-appear to remark about that one!

  35. NYCmike says:

    In that poll above, Piscopo looks like he takes a lot more from the Democrat than from the Republican.

    Maybe Guadagno should step aside for Piscopo, since she looks like she has no chance.

  36. Robbie says:

    The House Majority Pac, a Democrat operation, has a poll out today showing Ossoff leading Handel 50-48.

  37. Tina says:

    Yes, he tweeted that last august. It is real.

    They are both members of the Councel on Foreign Relations.

    I think Mika is smarter than scarfarce, but both are not that smart.

  38. Robbie says:

    Dave Wasserman of Cook Political report moved 20 House races towards the Democrats this morning. Now, 25 House races are in the lean or toss-up category. As best I can tell, the sole reason he did so was due to the vote on Obamacare repeal yesterday.

    I think 2018 is going to be tougher for Republicans than most here currently believe, but I think the press reaction to yesterday’s vote is laughable. Essentially, because the press is upset about the vote, they assume suburban voters most be upset about the vote. Maybe, but these same suburban voters voted to send people to the House to repeal Obamacare.

    The press also seems convinced 2018 will be 2010 for the Democrats. Well, there’s a big difference between 2010 and 2018. In 2010, Democrats were overextended and many members represented districts where they were far more liberal than the voters. That’s just not the case with Republicans. They are far more closely aligned with their voters in these districts than Democrats ever were in 2010.

  39. Robbie says:

    OMG. Now, Tinfoil’s worried about the Council of Foreign Relations? Next, we’ll be hearing about the Bilderbergers and the one world government.

  40. Tina says:

    Omg, daily kos is posting from wasserman.

    Where is katy turd?

  41. Tina says:

    No wonder the kos likes council on foreign relations, they lean left.

    Nuff said.

  42. Robbie says:

    Tinfoil, there are even some Jewwwws on the CFR.

  43. Robbie says:

    Mo Brooks continues to weigh a run for Alabama Senate. He says he conducted a poll and found suspended Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore leading Luther Strange 30-20. Way to go Kay Ivey! Thanks for moving up the Senate race and giving a deadender a chance to muck everything up.

    http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/mo-brooks-luther-strange-senate-alabama?utm_content=bufferbf284&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

  44. Tina says:

    I triggered the kos plant.

  45. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    May 5, 2017 at 10:46 am
    I triggered the kos plant.

    – You trigger yourself by buying into insane conspiracies pushed by lunatics like your hero GatewayPundit.

    But by all means, continue to believe there’s evil lurking in the CFR or that Paul Ryan is a closet liberal.

  46. Trump says:

    The motherfu$@ing as-hat Robbie keeps pushing lunatic theories about Russia and brokered convention, and then claims others are!!!

    What is wrong with this retard?

  47. Trump says:

    Paul Ryan is an open liberal, not closeted.

    Check his spending bills.

  48. Tina says:

    Kos plant is havimg a bad day.

  49. Tina says:

    Re the cfr,

    Both are members.

    They are leftist leaning.

    Both are facts.

  50. Tina says:

    Both refers to mika joe scarfarce.

  51. Chicon says:

    Bitter, Jason, ssq – thanks for the definition of deadender.

    Mike – those you listed certainly seem to like grandstanding more than governing (like the vast majority of politicians) That part of the definition might need adjustment.

  52. Chicon says:

    38 – means nothing right now; but if you need something to worry about, I guess that’s one of the best things to hang on to.

  53. Chicon says:

    Cutler to the broadcast booth for Fox. I hear through my private sources – who many have zero credibility – that he’ll be assigned to all Eagles games broadcast on Fox. That way, he’ll be ready to step on the field if Wentz gets hurt…..

  54. Tina says:

    Good job numbers. Labor participation increased and the unemployment rate fell.

    Most of the jobs appeared to be in higher pay industries.

  55. Tina says:

    http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/332084-rand-paul-requests-info-on-whether-obama-surveilled-him

    There needs to be a list of all names. I believe he surveilled a lot of rs.

    Notice how the hill defines surveillance. They are moving closer and closer to its definition.

  56. Tina says:

    FBI Director James Comey has flatly denied any direct surveillance of the Trump campaign.

    From the hill article

    Lol, what is the definition of indirect surveillance.

  57. NYCmike says:

    Robbie makes it his daily chore to find something “distressing”. Keeps him “grounded”.

    Get it? 🙂

  58. NYCmike says:

    Mika and Scarface married?

    That is weird…..will the show last?

  59. NYCmike says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/breaking-macron-busted-lied-tax-evasion-4chan-pol-posts-images-macrons-off-shore-bank-account/

    -Does Le Pen also have off-shore accounts?

    Can GatewayPundit be trusted on news from France?

    What will “Maggie” say about this?

  60. Chicon says:

    57 – why don’t you take off?

  61. NYCmike says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/liberal-protesters-triggered-trumps-arrival-nyc-booing-screaming-f-video/

    -I like that sign that includes “F*ck the Freedom Caucus!”.

    Maybe it’s Robbie…..?

  62. Tina says:

    The jebot will be triggered by rands tweets too.

  63. Robbie says:

    What does the Council on Foreign Relations have to do with Scarborough and Mika getting engaged? Why mention it all?

  64. Tina says:

    WH Chief Usher fired per fake news.

    It could be true, but firing may not be the correct word.

  65. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    May 5, 2017 at 12:35 pm
    The jebot will be triggered by rands tweets too.

    – I guess if I’m trigger by anything, it’s your stupidity, your belief in conspiracy theories, and the way you traffic in anti-Semitic talking points.

  66. Tina says:

    And while likely correct, is the story even newsworthy?

  67. Tina says:

    way you traffic in anti-Semitic talking points.

    Lol

  68. Tina says:

    Can we get a ruling on jebots psycho babble from corey?

  69. Tina says:

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., the top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee who also sits on the intelligence committee, told CNN on Wednesday that she does not “at this time” have evidence of collusion between Trump associates and Russia during the campaign.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/05/comey-pressed-for-anti-trump-dossier-in-classified-russia-report-sources-say.html

  70. NYCmike says:

    “and the way you traffic in anti-Semitic talking points.”

    -More proof that Robbie is a Democrat plant.

  71. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    May 5, 2017 at 2:22 pm
    “and the way you traffic in anti-Semitic talking points.”
    -More proof that Robbie is a Democrat plant.

    – It’s disappointing to see you scurry down the rabbit hole with Tinfoil Tina, but I’ll just have to chalk that up as another misguided decision by you.

    Tina is a conspiracy theorist who sees cabals lurking behind every corner. She knew exactly what she was doing when, out of nowhere, she brought up the Council on Foreign Relations. She was using it as an alt-right code to smear and diminish them. It’s the kind of thing we might have expected from Dumb.dero.

    And by the way, can you really be considered a conservative or Republicans when you consistently support candidates and tactics that aid Democrat’s electoral chances?

  72. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    May 5, 2017 at 12:47 pm
    way you traffic in anti-Semitic talking points.
    Lol

    – If I was accused of promoting anti-Semitic trash like you have been, and by more people than just me, I would have forcefully denied the charge. You’ve never done that. You’ve simply deflected or ignored the claims by throwing other stupid crap out there as misdirection like your stupid fixation with Evelyn Farkus.

  73. Tina says:

    Zzzzz.

    More bs ffom kos kiddo.

  74. Tina says:

    Your fellow jebot, corey, accused me and then apologized.

    Nobody here came to your defense either.

    Just saying.

  75. Tina says:

    And the counsel still leans leftt. I do. Ot care to check their personal religious beliefs, nor do Imcare what religion a member belings to.

  76. Tina says:

    And kos kiddo, ignoring the facts and race baiting are tactics by your fellow leftists.

  77. Tina says:

    Hhr deserves a better kos plant

  78. Robbie says:

    Still no denial, just a smoke screen.

  79. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    May 5, 2017 at 3:59 pm
    And kos kiddo, ignoring the facts and race baiting are tactics by your fellow leftists.

    – Bless your heart. I’ve been a registered Republicans since the day I registered to vote in 1995. And I’ve always voted, in every election by the way, straight party for the Republicans. I didn’t in 2016, though, because I didn’t vote for Trump, but every other Republican on the ballot got my vote.

    See, Tinfoil. That’s a denial and a refutation.

  80. CG says:

    “She knew exactly what she was doing…”

    You give her far too much credit.

  81. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    It is a tactic of the left to accuse people of anti-Semitism, racism, yada, yada, yada. Your constant blatherings on the subject are tiresome.

    Just like “CG” and the Dems, you see -ism when people disagree with you.

    Unfortunate, but expected now. SAD.

  82. CG says:

    I accuse you all of anti-Tebowism.

  83. NYCmike says:

    Might as well.

    EVERYONE discriminates against him.

  84. CG says:

    especially the predominately Jewish NFL owners

  85. NYCmike says:

    And the black muslim ones as well?

  86. CG says:

    Well, if they are Muslim, obviously, right?

  87. CG says:

    There’s no such thing as anti-Semitism, except among the Muslims and possibly Mel Gibson when he has too much to drink. That is what we all must remember.

  88. CG says:

    I imagine that Mika’a father Zbiggy, considering his history, especially after leaving office, would not be happy about her hanging out with all the CFR Jews, so it’s probably not accurate.

  89. Tina says:

    Registered republican my arse, jebot.

  90. Tina says:

    I accuse rottie of being a drat.

    It can deny. Bit there are several here who have accused it.

  91. Robbie says:

    NYCMike

    You’re a real piece of work. Maybe if you had listened to my “blathering”, you wouldn’t have supported so many deadender candidates who had no chance of winning. And if that had been the case, Republicans in the Senate would be far closer to the 60 votes needed to break any legislative filibuster. But no, we had to make a point in the primaries.

    As far as Tinfoil Tina goes, she’s earned every bit of derision she’s received. Yes, she does traffic in alt-right crap. Using Mike Cernovich and Jim Hoft as sources of information are evidence of that. I’m not using a tactic of the left because I’m making anything up. I’m using that dingbats own words.

    If I was using the tactics of the left, then wouldn’t be claiming everyone who disagree with me is somehow a racist, a sexist, or anything else? How many of those claims have I made against others? Let me help you out. the answer is ZERO. But by all means, tell yourself fairy tales to ease your worries.

  92. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    May 5, 2017 at 4:36 pm
    I accuse rottie of being a drat.
    It can deny. Bit there are several here who have accused it.

    – Bless your heart. You’re playing right to form. Rather than deny, you just put up smoke screens in hopes of diverting attention.

  93. Tina says:

    Lol, i wont play your game., you are so upset and so triggered.

    Nobody believes your sheot.

  94. Tina says:

    9m
    Bill Mitchell @mitchellvii
    .@BillKristol is an irrelevant moron who hasn’t been right about ANYTHING in 2 damned years.

    Jebot has been wrong even longer.

  95. Tina says:

    This shoukd be interesting…

    9m
    Bill Mitchell @mitchellvii
    .@BillKristol is an irrelevant moron who hasn’t been right about ANYTHING in 2 damned years.

  96. Tina says:

    Judicial Watch keeps winning in court. Do they ever lose?

  97. CG says:

    They must have smart Jewish lawyers working for them

  98. CG says:

    Though Larry Klayman is now “both a Jew and a Christian.”

  99. Tina says:

    John Podesta Trashes POTUS in Der Spiegel: Trump Having Codes to the Nuclear Football Is ‘Soul-Crushing’

    Kristinn Taylor May 5th, 2017 12:48 pm

    It must have been soul crushing when your passwords were swiped by your fellow drat?

  100. Tina says:

    Cher Whines About Pricey Asthma Meds After O-Care Repealed – Cher Is Worth $305 Million!

    Really?

  101. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    May 5, 2017 at 4:40 pm
    Lol, i wont play your game., you are so upset and so triggered.
    Nobody believes your sheot.

    – I understand. It’s a hard thing to disavow your alt-right buddies. You don’t want to lose street cred with them.

  102. Tina says:

    Comdy is getting heat from both sides.

    Per fox, he wanted to pay for a dossier on trump that was full of lies.

    According to her thighness, comedy cost her the election, despite her no message campaign, having weekly medical events, and having a rapist be on camera for the 2nd debate looking like he was having trouble breathing.

  103. Tina says:

    I do not know how much longer Comedy can stay at the fbi. My contacts sugest not much longer.

    However, he seems to survive.

  104. jason says:

    Corey is back?

    Kewl, now we need MD, wvally, scooter, and some others we apparently lost after the election.

    No the Kannadian Kommunist

  105. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    May 5, 2017 at 4:52 pm
    I do not know how much longer Comedy can stay at the fbi. My contacts sugest not much longer.
    However, he seems to survive.

    – Has Judge Napolitano been communicating with you through the microwave again?

  106. jason says:

    No, not the Kannadian Kommie I meant

  107. NYCmike says:

    “There’s no such thing as anti-Semitism, except among the Muslims and possibly Mel Gibson when he has too much to drink. That is what we all must remember.”

    -Yup, this is the real “CG”, sanctimonious as ever.

  108. Robbie says:

    Jason

    Your a PA guy. Would Barlletta be a good challenger to Casey?

  109. CG says:

    “It’s a hard thing to disavow your alt-right buddies.”

    That’s an ironic statement since you demanded that everyone must exhibit loyalty to Donald J. Trump or be in league with Japanese soldiers trying to kill Americans after World War II.

    These are your people now, tina and NYC and all of ’em. Embrace them.

  110. CG says:

    I’m not sticking around. MD has become very adamant that Republicans must be defeated and that he will be voting straight Democrat. I wish there was a way I could walk him back from something so drastic, but that is the effect that Donald J. Trump has on people.

    By the way, he really likes Australia’s socialized medicine. Maybe he is Bernie-Lite after all.

  111. CG says:

    Trump that is, not MD.

  112. Tina says:

    I apologize for reading @POTUS literally & seriously. But has any other president trashed in this way a major part of the American economy?
    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
    Of course the Australians have better healthcare than we do –everybody does. ObamaCare is dead! But our healthcare will soon be great.

    If its privately done, socialist son, why do you have a problem with it?

  113. jason says:

    Comey says he didn’t prosecute (or recommend prosecution I guess) because he didn’t think she had “criminal intent” passing classified emails to Carlos Danger.

    She works in government. There is now way she didn’t know that it was illegal.

    I might try this out the next time I get stopped speeding. Yes I know speeding is a violation but I didn’t intend to speed.

  114. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    May 5, 2017 at 4:56 pm
    “It’s a hard thing to disavow your alt-right buddies.”
    That’s an ironic statement since you demanded that everyone must exhibit loyalty to Donald J. Trump or be in league with Japanese soldiers trying to kill Americans after World War II.
    These are your people now, tina and NYC and all of ’em. Embrace them.

    – I don’t know how often you read the comments here, but I certainly haven’t been as loyal as some wish to Trump.

    My view is simple. He won and his presidency offers good opportunities for Republican policy. For that reason, I’m not going to oppose him 100% of the time. When I like what he does, I’ll support it. When I don’t, I’ll oppose him.

    I won’t, however, act like Rick Wilson, Jennifer Rubin, or the other permanent #neverTrump people who refuse to acknowledge the things he’s done well.

  115. Tina says:

    The first tweet was from kristol meth.

  116. CG says:

    ok, Happy Cinco de Mayo and goodluck to you all.

  117. Tina says:

    Comedy had to recommend an indictment. It would be up to the courts to decide on criminal intent, or not. He is not the judiciary.

  118. Tina says:

    Go back wi hillary. She is your person now.

  119. Tina says:

    He is highly partisan. If that were an r he woukd have charged the person.

    And how she and ms weiner were not charged?

  120. Tina says:

    Is the socialist son still on faux?

  121. jason says:

    Your a PA guy. Would Barlletta be a good challenger to Casey?”

    No.

    I don’t see Casey losing, unfortunately. He is a liberal fraud masquerading as a centrist and many people you would think know better believe it.

    wes seems to think he could be vulnerable, but I don’t. Rs lost all the statewide positions along with Corbett so there is not much of a bench.

  122. Tina says:

    I think the drats are divided

    First unproud obammaxonartist vs jebot

    Now jebot 1 vs jebot 2.

  123. jason says:

    Corey must still think Trump is “alt-right” and Hillary is a centrist compromiser.

    I don’t think even professional help will fix that kind of delusion.

  124. Wes says:

    Toomey won reelection, Jason. At the same time, Trump won the state.

    I’m not saying Casey should be in thr first wave of GOP targets, but Casey has never impressed as a candidate and saw a massive drop in his vote share from 2006 to 2012 despite facing a low-spending nobody and running while his party’s President successfully carried the state.

    At the very least, the race bears watching much as George Allen did in 2006 when Dems nominated a man they expected to be a sacrificial lamb because no prominent Dems were interested in the race.

  125. Tina says:

    Gov. Mike Huckabee @GovMikeHuckabee
    Proud of daughter Sarah subbing at WH press briefing today. Her Dad thinks she crushed it! Hey I’m as unbiased as the media!

    Yup,she did great and she looks just like you.

  126. Wes says:

    If 113 is correct, thdn Bitterlaw and Jason owe me an apology fot contradicting me when I said MD was a Democrat cheerleader.

    I could see it coming three years ago when he became furious any time a poster suggested Republicans coild have a wave in the second midterm of an unpopular Democrat President and created his moronic “Past is not prologue!” mantra to say why Dems would have a good year in 2014.

  127. Zreebs says:

    Hey, is there anyone here who believes that the $8b put into the healthcare bill for pre-existing condition willl be remotely adequate or do you all agree that it was put in as window dressing because GOP voters just might believe it could be adequate?

  128. Robbie says:

    I think Casey is an underwhelming candidate who’s done absolutely nothing as a Senator. Depending on how the next 18 months go, I believe he could be beaten. Could doesn’t mean will though.

  129. Walt says:

    We found some showy orchis in the woods on our tour today.
    Everyone was excited until Cash Cow ran over and ate them.

  130. Robbie says:

    The first non-partisan poll from GA06 has it

    Handel 49
    Ossoff 46

  131. lisab says:

    French Presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron was accused recently of tax evasion.

    Macron denied the allegations.

    Now, new documents prove he lied about – almost – everything.

  132. jason says:

    He will still win because the opponent is Le Pen.

    If it was Fillon, something good could happen to France.

  133. jason says:

    Hey, is there anyone here who believes that the $8b put into the healthcare bill for pre-existing condition willl be remotely adequate or do you all agree that it was put in as window dressing because GOP voters just might believe it could be adequate?”

    Hey troll, maybe if you educate yourself you could be a better troll.

    The total fund for pre-existing conditions is actually $146 billion the $8 billion was additional. Nancy Pelosi thinks it should be $200 billion.

    https://downtrend.com/71superb/nancy-pelosi-says-letting-people-keep-money-they-earn-is-stealing

  134. Robbie says:

    Putin’s meddling in the French election will only hurt Le Pen. Macron is on track to win the third biggest presidential win since France began voting in this manner after WWII. The only two bigger wins were DeGaulle’s first win and Chirac’s over Le Pen’s father in 2002 of 82-18.

    Hollande’s leak campaign against Fillon worked to perfection as it made his former finance minister a lock against Le Pen.

  135. jason says:

    If 113 is correct, thdn Bitterlaw and Jason owe me an apology fot contradicting me when I said MD was a Democrat cheerleader”

    Sorry but no, but you owe MD an apology for misrepresenting his positions.

    MD was always a stalwart conservative and was NEVER a Dem cheerleader. Not once, never, nunca.

    This is true even if he now joins the Communist Party or becomes a Maoist.

  136. Robbie says:

    When Avik Roy writes about healthcare, I read. In all seriousness, the Republicans in the Senate should craft their bill off the suggestions he makes in this article. I hope the gang in the Senate gives him a call.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2017/05/04/if-the-senate-doesnt-fix-the-houses-obamacare-replacement-the-gop-will-pay-a-steep-price/#712d88204a58

  137. wvally says:

    Kewl, now we need MD, wvally, scooter, and some others we apparently lost after the election.

    ***

    I made it thru about Feb. But then life got uber hectic…I put a few too many things off during the election. Funny how things can snowball.

    I missed this wacky bunch.

    I’m still collecting my thoughts on politics… all I can say is it feels like flat out war and everyone’s lying.

  138. jason says:

    Wobbie finally posted something that is not MSM left wing propaganda trash.

    It was bound to happen someday.

    Krauthammer has it right. Unfortunately, the idea that government has to provide health insurance, if not health care to everyone is water under the bridge. There is no going back from that. Elections have consequences, and that was one of them. He thinks we are headed for single payer in 7 years and he is probably right.

    But it doesn’t hurt to give it a shot to avoid it, and Wobbie’s article is pretty persuasive.

  139. wvally says:

    Sorry but no, but you owe MD an apology for misrepresenting his positions.

    MD was always a stalwart conservative and was NEVER a Dem cheerleader. Not once, never, nunca.

    ***

    Yup. When I told him he should be voting for Hillary he got super pissed. It was never the same after that.

  140. wvally says:

    Sorry but no, but you owe MD an apology for misrepresenting his positions.

    MD was always a stalwart conservative and was NEVER a Dem cheerleader. Not once, never, nunca.

    ***

    Yup. When I told him he should be voting for Hillary he got super p*ssed. It was never the same after that.

  141. wvally says:

    Sorry for the dub

  142. wacky jason says:

    Wow, wvally AND Corey on the same day.

    Welcome back.

  143. Tina says:

    I do not care about the french election. Unlike the obumbler, u will not inteerfere in it.

    Lol

  144. jason says:

    MD could not transition from Trump as a bad candidate to Trump as President.

    Neither can Corey. And to a lesser extent, Wobbie.

    I said my piece about Trump. But he won. Now I hope he does great things for the country.

    If MD and Corey really wanted Hillary instead of Trump, they should have voted for her.

  145. Tina says:

    I do not take sourkraut or krystal meth, or karl rove seriously any more.m. They are wrong.

  146. jason says:

    I care enough about the French election not to want Le Pen elected. But the fact she is going to get crushed is not good either.

    Macron is a socialist light as so many other European leaders. Not a communist, but a big government type. He won’t fight the welfare state France can no longer afford, Fillon was the only oe to tell the truth.

  147. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    137. “Putin’s meddling in the French election will only hurt Le Pen”

    What proof do you have that Putin meddled in the French election??

  148. Robbie says:

    I’ve transitioned to Trump as president just fine. When he right, I’ll support him like Gorsuch. When he’s wrong, I’ll criticize like the wiretap tweet. On the whole, his presidency presents great opportunities. If he continues to operate, more or less, the way he has since the start of April, I think his presidency will go well.

  149. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    May 5, 2017 at 8:23 pm
    137. “Putin’s meddling in the French election will only hurt Le Pen”

    What proof do you have that Putin meddled in the French election??

    – Let’s not be naive. This last minute dump of hacked documents didn’t come from Le Pen.

  150. lisab says:

    whoopsie …

    one of the macron emails may say,

    “don’t forget to by cocaine for the boss”

  151. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    152. Do Dorothy and Toto live in your fantasy world? There are constaint releases of hacked documents worldwide. Are you claiming that Assange is a Russian agent too?

  152. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Personally, think the leaks often help the public get a view of how bad their politician are, want to accuse me of working for Putin too?

  153. lisab says:

    Brigitte Bardot: “I didn’t fight against French Algeria to accept an Algerian France!”

  154. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    A University of London professor said it best:

    “The issue is “not where the material comes from, but whether it is true and in the public interest.”

    Assange once commented: “the public loves it when they get a glimpse into the corrupt machinery that is attempting to rule them”

    In the last election, the issue was not where the Clinton E-mails came from, but were they true information.

  155. Tina says:

    i will like to see actual evidemce that pooty poot interfered in our or the french elections.

  156. Tina says:

    Because making charges, absent any evidemce, is kooky.

  157. lisab says:

    why would any russian leader prefer a republican government to a hillary government?

    hillary gave putin 20% of our plutonium

  158. jason says:

    Obama just declared support for Macron.

    Now if Putin declared support for Trump, horrors!

  159. jason says:

    In the last election, the issue was not where the Clinton E-mails came from, but were they true information”

    Actually the Dems never disputed ANY of the content.

  160. jason says:

    This last minute dump of hacked documents didn’t come from Le Pen.”

    How do you know? And why does it have to be the Russians?

  161. Wobbie says:

    “..making charges, absent any evidemce, is kooky.”

    Nah, if the MSM prints it, it has to be true.

    That’s my motto.

  162. Wobbles says:

    I agree with Wobbie

  163. jason says:

    Actually, contrary to Wobbie’s BS, there is zero evidence the Russian Government hacked anybody. There is speculation “Russians” (of which there are several hundred million) hacked Podesta and gave it to Assange through a third party, but no evidence has been released.

  164. blobbie says:

    Wobbles says:
    May 5, 2017 at 9:21 pm
    I agree with Wobbie

    – me too

  165. Tina says:

    kos kiddo is a conspirqcy loon.

  166. Tina says:

    Correct, jason, no evidence of russian gubment.

  167. Zreebs says:

    Hey jason, how about quoting from a source that at least can use good grammar – instead of downtrend.com? And you are going to use that source to claim others are uneducated? First, if you insist on using a conservative source, how about the Mercatus Center – associated with the Koch brothers – which called The $8 addition a pittance, and since it was spread over 5 years, it said it was 1/5 of a pittance.

    And the Center for American Progress estimated the funding is about $200b inadequate, not that it should be $200b. But why don’t we just wait to see what the OMB estimates?

    But since you think I am so uneducated, maybe you can explain why Trump did so much better among the uneducated than it did among the educated?

  168. Mr.Vito says:

    “…maybe you can explain why Trump did so much better among the uneducated…”

    You mean people with college degrees. I have a PHD in Math… my father-in-law got a GED. He knew more stuff than I ever will.

  169. Mr.Vito says:

    My electrician brother is apparently “uneducated” as well.

  170. Mr.Vito says:

    How does someone cry partisanship in a source, and then cite the Center for American Progress with a straight face?

  171. Tina says:

    Certainly a progressive outfilt, like cap, are truly bi partisan.

    Sarc.

  172. wvally says:

    There is no such thing as non-partisan, IMO.

  173. Zreebs says:

    The Center for American Progress is a liberal – leaning think tank. I brought it up because I assume that is the ultimate source of the $200b inadequate estimate, not Nancy Pelosi.

    There were intelligent people who voted for Trump and complete idiots who voted for Hillary. But the polls do show that Trump did much better among those with less education.

  174. Mr.Vito says:

    “…with less education”

    Slow on the uptake? College grad does not mean more educated.

  175. wvally says:

    What’s your deal, Zreeb? I’ve been gone a while and don’t recognize you. Are you an old poster with a new name or a real newbie?

  176. Mr.Vito says:

    The GOP bill provides exactly what jason said to help states help people who may lose insurance under the changes, which includes pre-existing conditions… the 8 billion is earmarked for high risk pools in particular and was added to further.

    NYTIMES: “The original version of the Republican repeal bill would have established a $100 billion fund that states could use to help people pay for health care and insurance from 2018 to 2026. House leaders added $15 billion last month to help insurers pay claims for their sickest customers. Mr. Upton’s proposal would provide $8 billion over five years on top of that.”

    TheHill: “The latest iteration of that effort emerged Wednesday morning, when Upton and Rep. Billy Long (R-Mo.) said they’d support the proposal with the additional $8 billion for high-risk pools over five years — a slight increase over the $130 billion over 10 years already in the GOP bill.”

  177. Mr.Vito says:

    “What’s your deal, Zreeb”

    Drinks his/her Beerz upside down?

  178. Zreebs says:

    I might have posted a dozen times here or so, but not in the last year. I don’t post under different names. I know this is where Corey used to hang out.

  179. wvally says:

    Are you a lib?

  180. Zreebs says:

    All things being equal, of course a college grad is more educated than a high school grad, and a person with an advanced degree is more educated than a person with a college degree.

  181. Zreebs says:

    I always vote a split ballot, but I do tend to vote for Democrats at the Federal level. lately, in local races, I tend to be more conservative.

  182. Mr.Vito says:

    184 Yeah… uh… no. I know you didn’t learn that at college. Advanced degrees generally make you specialized, often in nothing useful… you can actually learn less than on the job training in economics and industry. I’ve seen it all the time.

  183. Zreebs says:

    Mr Vito, Jason’s comment about Nancy Pelosi was incorrect.

  184. wvally says:

    I’m a little bit lib… ertarian

  185. Zreebs says:

    Actually, I do have an advanced degree in economics. And economists are disproportionately liberal – Lthough there are exceptions.

  186. Mr.Vito says:

    It’s funny to watch engineers get schooled by trade workers.

  187. Mr.Vito says:

    “Actually…”

    I didn’t say you didn’t. I said you didn’t learn what you said at college.

  188. Zreebs says:

    Do ya’ll believe that the government should pay for the pre-existing conditions pool?

  189. blobbie says:

    “I do have an advanced degree in economics.”

    soooooooooo … you work in the fast food industry?

  190. Tina says:

    Imdo not know why her email is even classified, if it even exists.

  191. Zreebs says:

    There are some college degrees that aren’t valuable, but economics isn’t one of them.

  192. blobbie says:

    anyone remember aaron from texas?

    he had an advanced degree in history iirc

    he was complaining about how he had to read 100 pages a day … west ginia coal miners never had it that rough!!!

    the paper cuts alone boggles the mind

  193. blobbie says:

    “There are some college degrees that aren’t valuable, but economics isn’t one of them”

    if i wanted to hire someone with a phd in math …

    i’d hire a phd in math

    unless you mean you have a masters in economics in which case

    if i wanted to hire a liberal arts major, i’d hire someone more interesting

  194. Zreebs says:

    Blue collar workers live a much harder life than white collar workers. No question about it.

  195. blobbie says:

    about 10 years ago or so

    the u of i business college convinced the econ department to move from the college of business to the college of las

    you would think people who often specialized in game theory might have thought that one through

  196. Zreebs says:

    I do have an M.A. In economics.

  197. lisab says:

    “Blue collar workers live a much harder life than white collar workers. No question about it.”

    which is why they did not want to vote for a candidate like hillary

    the dems used to be for the working class

    i am sure hillary won the non-working classes by large margins

  198. Zreebs says:

    At many schools, you can obtain an economics degree from either the College of Business or the College of Arts and Science.

  199. wvally says:

    HHR is not a particularly blue collar place.

  200. lisab says:

    “I do have an M.A. In economics.”

    so that’s a no on the math then?

    iirc master’s level economics was pretty much like undergrad economics

    phd econ otoh is a scary beast.

    i made the mistake of taking a phd level course in econ once, it sounded very interesting.

    basically it was real analysis, just with an econ context. i liked real analysis, so i was fine with calculus proofs, except for one thing …

    being a good student i read the first five chapters of the book before the first day of class … say about 200 pages of calculus proofs …

    the professor STARTED in chapter eight!

  201. lisab says:

    “At many schools, you can obtain an economics degree from either the College of Business or the College of Arts and Science.”

    and if you know anything about the increasingly inaccurately named big 10

    you know which college has more money per student …

    well … at least non-econ students would

  202. Zreebs says:

    The Dems ARE for the working class, but they sure struggled with that message last year.

    There are those who don’t have to work because their great granddaddy made a lot of money. That non-working class voted for Trump. The rest of us has to work. If you don’t, you will be homeless.

  203. lisab says:

    i am pretty sure this is the book from that class i took

    https://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Economists-Carl-P-Simon/dp/0393957330/ref=sr_1_22?ie=UTF8&qid=1494042533&sr=8-22&keywords=mathematical+economics

    my mistake though … it just seemed like 200 pages of calculus proofs … in actuality … 40 pages 🙂

    actually i remember it being a good book though, i think i still have it somewhere, although i bailed when we got to eigenvectors

  204. Zreebs says:

    graduate Econ courses are much more mathematical than at the undergraduate level. There were a few exceptions though – for example Money and Banking had almost no math.

    At most graduate programs, the M.A. Courses are the same as the Phd classes. It is just that you need fewer classes to graduate, and don’t have to write a discertation.

  205. lisab says:

    “The Dems ARE for the working class, but they sure struggled with that message last year.”

    sure …

    hillary lost west virginia!!!!!!!!!!

    fdr is rolling in his grave

  206. wvally says:

    Everyone’s for the working class. Different ideas about what helps and what hurts.

  207. Zreebs says:

    Although I did well in grad school, I wasn’t prepared for the grad school math. I remember reading from one text “and it can be easily shown that the two equations are the same”. Well, it wasn’t easy for me! I would sit there for an hour trying to figure out how they arived at what was supposedly easy to show.

  208. lisab says:

    you can tell who the dem politicians actually support by honestly

    and i realize you are an econ major

    honestly

    listing the groups they get all sjw about

    working stiffs in blue collar jobs are not one of those groups

    they used to be

    not anymore

  209. lisab says:

    “Although I did well in grad school, I wasn’t prepared for the grad school math.”

    when you said masters in econ

    i pretty much knew that.

    undergrad econ is pretty interesting

    masters level is more of the same

    phd econ is theoretical math at least in the big 10, oe williamson notwithstanding.

  210. Zreebs says:

    West Virginia is now one of the reddest states in the country, and the poorest counties are the most red.

    Trump can say he will help coal miners, but the reality is that most coal mine work is now mostly done by machine. Those jobs are gone – and saying they are not is providing false hope.

  211. lisab says:

    at the u of i almost everyone has to take econ 101 and often econ 102, micro and macro

    so the school accepts a crap-tonne, (a industry term), of econ phd students every year. they need them because the school has 35,000 students.

    however, they cannot graduate a crap-tonne of phds every year because it would flood the university professor market.

    so they cull the herd after year two and basically fire most of the phd students, ending their academic careers before they had begun

  212. lisab says:

    “West Virginia is now one of the reddest states in the country, and the poorest counties are the most red.”

    yup … those are working class people

    i’d introduce you, but i know very few myself being a government employee 🙂

  213. Zreebs says:

    I think part of the problem with the Democrat message to blue collar workers is that it is too complicated. The GOP message of creating jobs is easier to understand. But the reality is that tax cuts to the wealthy actually encourage the wealthy to take LESS risk.

  214. Zreebs says:

    Is U of I Illinois or Iowa?

  215. lisab says:

    macron’s email suggests he was/is on cocaine and potentially once ordered 3-MMC aka “bath salts”

    that is the rumor

    the emails are not widely available as someone keeps taking down any sites that try to post them

  216. lisab says:

    “I think part of the problem with the Democrat message to blue collar workers is that it is too complicated.”

    the problem isn’t that the dem message to working people is too complicated

    the problem is that it is a lie

  217. wvally says:

    I grew up in MD but my family built a cabin in West Virginia. Drove through deep WV a lot growing up. One of my most vivid memories were the “get the US out of the UN” signs painted on barn walls in the middle of nowhere.

    I know Hillary flubbed on coal, but in my opinion her embodiment of the globalist midset is what made her lose so catastrophically here.

  218. lisab says:

    or to put it another w0ay

    the problem is not that the dems’ message to the working class is too complicated for them to understand

    the problem is that they do understand

  219. jason says:

    But since you think I am so uneducated, maybe you can explain why Trump did so much better among the uneducated than it did among the educated?”

    Republican traditionally win the college educated vote including against Obama, so what is your point exactly? And Trump won college educated whites. Are they dumber than college educated minorities?

    And the fact the fund for pre-existing conditions is $146 billion is just that, a fact.

    But you can pretend its $8 billion like a good little moron.

  220. wvally says:

    And this was back in the 80s. WV was ahead of the curve.

  221. jason says:

    rump can say he will help coal miners, but the reality is that most coal mine work is now mostly done by machine. Those jobs are gone – and saying they are not is providing false hope.”

    More fake news by the moron troll.

    It’s true a lot of coal mining is more mechanized, but that means fewer miners than before, not no miners.

    Obama, and Hillary’s war on coal was meant to destroy the industry. That won’t happen under Trump, so false hope my ass.

    Will coal mining have as many jobs as it did decades ago? No. Will it have a heck of a lot more jobs than under Obama/Hillary. You bet.

  222. jason says:

    Macron will win anyway. But if a big scandal weakens him after the election maybe he won’t have a mandate for his big government agenda.

  223. lisab says:

    “And the fact the fund for pre-existing conditions is $146 billion is just that, a fact.”

    a sad fact

    we now have a situation where people who don’t work, who are wards of the state, who literally are a financial parasite on society … can go to a world class hospital and see a world class doctor for ZERO money

    while a middle class person, like MD for example, is paying $16,000+ a year or more for health insurance with i think he said a $14,000+ deductible

  224. jason says:

    ‘but the reality is that tax cuts to the wealthy ”

    Favorite moonbat meme, but of course there are “no tax cuts to the wealthy”.

    There are tax cuts that benefit taxpayers in general. The wealthy are not exempt from tax cuts like the Marxists want them to be.

    “Tax cuts for the wealthy” is something every liberal believes in, like they believe in “government money”.

  225. lisab says:

    “Macron will win anyway.”

    well someone is taking down the web sites with the emails as fast as possible, usually they manage to host them overseas somewhere … not this time

    cocaine, although i never tried it i know people who have, and they told me it is very addictive

    and bath salts are way way way over the line

    the french could have a serious problem.

  226. jason says:

    My deductible is $6400 for a policy that is more expensive with a lot less coverage than I had before Obamacare.

    I know, according to the Democrats let’s take the 85% that were happy with their HC and make it crappy so we can offer free HC to the other 15%.

    This was very unpopular for years, but did Obama ever care about the polls? Did he ever care he couldn’t get one R vote?

    Nah, they only care about polls now that show the replacement unpopular, NOW Republicans should heed the polls. NOW its a big deal that Rs passed a bill by only 4 votes.

    You have to admire the sheer hypocrisy..

  227. lisab says:

    “no tax cuts to the wealthy”

    does bill gates or warren buffet get a huge w2?

    warren buffet’s salary is $100,000.

    OF COURSE HE IS FOR RAISING INCOME TAXES.

    if i was a journalist and gates or buffet told me they were in favor of raising taxes i would ask,

    “sooooooooo … a 10% wealth tax is fine with you right? right? ummmmmmmmm … where are you going?”

  228. jason says:

    well someone is taking down the web sites with the emails as fast as possible, usually they manage to host them overseas somewhere … not this time”

    Even if the emails were available, he would still win, Le Pen is not a viable option. Same as if the Marxist had made the second round.

    However, if Fillon had made the second round, it could have cost Macron the election.

  229. lisab says:

    “You have to admire the sheer hypocrisy..”

    “You have to admire the sheer hypocrisy..”

    nah … take a flamethrower to the place

    although … just for full disclosure i get something ridiculous like $20k in healthcare premiums paid by the state

    i have something like a $20 co-pay

    for which i say, thank you to everyone in ny who works for a living … but no … it is not fair

  230. lisab says:

    “Even if the emails were available, he would still win”

    with so little time before the election, that is almost certainly true

    but if he really is on bath salts … which i have a very hard time believing, but if he is

    they can’t keep him. he’s a walking dead man if he really is on them

  231. lisab says:

    as a side job i work with severely troubled teens

    down’s syndrome would be a walk in the park, i’m talking pws, autistics, schizophrenics, we have a multi-personality now, a couple of trans, alcohol yes, pot yes, some coke, some lsd, a lot of sexual abuse, incest, violence etc.

    we don’t touch teens on heroin, meth or bath salts. teens on these drugs are just beyond our abilities. you know its bad when schizophrenia is a step up from bath salts

  232. lisab says:

    and schizophrenia is the worst mental illness i have ever seen …

    still better than bath salts

  233. lisab says:

    however … in full disclosure

    it is the bunus and kekistanis

    that are saying they have seen evidence of macron and bath salts

    sooooooooo … probably not true

  234. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsUH8llvTZo

    Bath salts don’t have anything on Krokodil

  235. Zreebs says:

    Hey Jason, I can start by saying if you are so offended by “trolls”, then you can’t respond that the person is a moron. It is kind of like Satan calling someone a bad person. It is like someone who reads downtrend.com, and then complains about fake news! Of course, I have come to expect Republicans to be hypocrites. I”m sorry if that comment so enraged you – as I can already tell from your few comments that it did. So you can now send your latest hysterical response, and your friends here can cheer that response,

    In general, it is difficult to reply to Jason’s comments because he would rather rely on what downtrend.com says Democrats believe instead of reading from them what they actually believe. For example, I can promise you that I do
    NOT support additional tax cuts for the wealthy – despite what your exceedingly unreliable sources have told you.

  236. Zreebs says:

    Lisa, In post 221, you say that Dems message to the working class is a lie. Please explain your thoughts in more detail.

  237. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #241
    HHR is a center-right blog. Lisab nor anyone else here needs to explain themselves to a troll like you.
    Why are you here?
    Why are you a Liberal?
    Why do you engage in bumper sticker politics like “tax cuts for the wealthy”?

    Democrats are NOT hypocrites? LMAO!!!

  238. jason says:

    Hey Jason, I can start by saying if you are so offended by “trolls”, then you can’t respond that the person is a moron.”

    Sure I can. As trolls go, you are at the bottom of the gene pool.

    We used to get more intelligent trolls. Some could even, in limited fashion, think for themselves. Now for some reasons we get morons like you and SovietCON, who just come here to bleat whatever talking point there is on the MSM or other officiao propaganda sites of the left.

    I actually don’t know anything about downtrend.com I posted it because I wanted to link the actual amount of the pre-existing conditions fund to counter your $8 billion horsecrap number. The $8 billion was an add-on to get a few more votes from the Freedom Caucus deadenders.

    But here, moron, from the mouth of the MSM itself, the Chicago Tribune.

    “All told, the AHCA would allot $138 billion over 10 years for a variety of funds that would seek to keep premiums lower or to assist with cost-sharing. Just this week, $8 billion over five years was added to the pot to woo wavering lawmakers, with the idea that the additional funds could be used for so-called high-risk pools”

    So, as downtrend.com correctly quoted, the correct total is $146 billion, not $8 billion. If you want to say $146 billion is not enough, fine. But quote the right number.

  239. jason says:

    “I have come to expect Republicans to be hypocrites.”

    LOL

    Here are the real hypocrites as I posted above:

    “I know, according to the Democrats let’s take the 85% that were happy with their HC and make it crappy so we can offer free HC to the other 15%.

    This was very unpopular for years, but did Obama ever care about the polls? Did he ever care he couldn’t get one R vote?

    Nah, they only care about polls now that show the replacement unpopular, NOW Republicans should heed the polls. NOW its a big deal that Rs passed a bill by only 4 votes.

    You have to admire the sheer hypocrisy.”

  240. Zreebs says:

    I saw that post but I ignored because it was so ridiculous. For openers I know of no Democrat who even remotely agree with the comment “let’s take the 85% that we’re happy with their HCand make it crappy so we can offer free HC to the other 15%”. Again, you can’t get your news sources about what Democrats think from Only Republicans. That should be obvious., but it is not – at least not for you.

  241. Zreebs says:

    I have no idea how much funding is needed. As I suggested earlier, I said let’s wait until the OMB report comes out.

    As you correctly quoted the Chicago Tribune above, the $138b is to keep healthcare costs lower – it is not purely targeted for high risk pools. The $8 is purely targeted for people with pre-existing conditions.

  242. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #244
    Add:
    2008 Campaign-Obama– I will never use signing statements. Reality–when did he NOT on a spending bill?!
    Obama; I have Israel’s back. Reality- let’s give Iran the legitimacy to nuke The Jewish State. Also, let’s deligitimize Israel at the UN.

    2016 Campaign-Clinton– the Democrats are the Party for the Working Class. Reality–except for the millions of fossil fuel dependents like miners,drillers, families of such,small businesses etc.

    Last week- Democrats– the new GOP health care bill is a disaster and will result in deaths. Reality– newspaper headlines bleat that insurers are leaving the ACA in droves and premiums will again skyrocket. The Democrats broke the USA health care system and are hypocrites to bark when the GOP tries to repair it.

    Zreebs– it is time for you to grow up and come out of your bubble!

  243. Zreebs says:

    Hey Sheeple, if more than one of you want me to leave, then I will. I thought it would be entertaining to go onto the site for awhile. Don’t worry, I’m sure I won’t stay more than a few days – maybe today will be my last day. Lisab doesn’t have to explain her answer, but She seems rather intelligent, and that she would welcome the opportunity. But you are right. She doesn’t have to answer my questions.

    To your question why am I a liberal, you will need to be more specific with that question because I look at each issue individually. And talking in generalities will not be helpful. On some issues we probably agree.

    I do understand though why you are comfortable in only talking with people you agree with. That way you can just mouth off one liners without really having to think.

  244. Zreebs says:

    Sheeple, The US healthcare system has been broken for a long time. The costs here are far higher than in other countries, many of which provide greater care.

    My question to you – if you choose to answer – is why aren’t the conservative parties in countries like Canada not arguing for a multi-payer healthcare system?

  245. wvally says:

    Jason’s a real A-hole zreeb

  246. Diamond Jim says:

    Thread’s dead, baby. Thread’s dead.