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Moore Leads Strange By 14% in AL

Emerson College has released their view of the primary runoff in Alabama and it shows Roy Moore with a double-digit lead over Luther Strange.

US SENATE – ALABAMA – GOP PRIMARY RUNOFF (Emerson)
Roy Moore 40%
Luther Strange (inc) 26%

Clearly Emerson was not pushing anyone too hard with 34% still undecided 15 days before the election. This poll was done September 8-9 among 416 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 9:33 am
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965 Responses to “Moore Leads Strange By 14% in AL”

  1. Cash Cow TM says:

    Firstie!

  2. Cash Cow TM says:

    Article in the newspaper says there is a place in Bensalem, PA where women are giving away surplus breast milk.

    Seems Cash Cow got some competition.
    _______________
    I wonder if they have the customers pump their own, self serve line.
    Walt said he figured that would be fun.

  3. NYCmike says:

    Pretty honest assessment of himself.

    “Steve Bannon stated: “In the 48 hours after we won, there’s a fundamental decision that was made. You might call it the original sin of the administration. We embraced the establishment. I mean, we totally embraced the establishment. I think in President Trump’s mind, or President-elect Trump’s mind, in Jared’s mind, in the family’s mind, I actually agreed with the decision. ‘Cause ya had to staff a government. And to be brutally frank. You know, the campaign look, I’d never been on a campaign in my entire life, right? You know, I’m a former investment banker who’s a media guy, running a little website. We were– our whole campaign was a little bit the island of misfit toys. So he looks around and I’m wearing my combat jacket, I haven’t shaved, I got, you know, my hair’s down to here, and he says he’s thinking. “Hey, I’ve gotta put together a government. I’ve gotta really staff up something. I need to embrace the establishment.””

  4. Cash Cow TM says:

    DACA is caa-caa.

    Seriously, I wonder if both parties leadership is just using the illegal aliens issue as something to push just to get reelected.

    The Ds paint the secure the border and enforce rule of law Rs as a heartless bunch that does not care about people. So that animates their bleeding heart liberal base.

    The Rs paint the Ds as not caring about protecting America and that energizes their conservative base.

  5. Cash Cow TM says:

    Thank goodness Irma has been downgraded to a 1.

    Things are starting to look better for Mr. Vito and TG.

  6. jason says:

    Moving and inspiring speech by Trump at the Pentagon.

    Now Pence in Shanksville doing a good job too.

  7. janz says:

    Immigration/illegal aliens has always been a good political wedge issue to use as a reelection tool.

  8. Tina says:

    Lets keep mitchie away. He has damaged strange who needs to win. Mitchie is toxic.

    I would not support moore.

  9. jason says:

    I support the objectives of DACA, I just don’t approve it being done by executive order.

    I do hope Congress will do the right thing.

  10. janz says:

    I’ve heard Trump’s speech was a favorable one. He appears to have settled down a bit, twitter-wise and his choice of words in public commentary. Knock on wood….

  11. Tina says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/michelle-obama-named-best-dressed-vanity-fair-beautiful-melania-trump-left-off-list/

    Moochelle named best dresed.

    Lol, kind of like awarding he obumbler the nobel peace prize, before he does anything.

  12. Tina says:

    Janz, he has done so. General kelly has improved the situation. As soon as rinse prubus left, the leaks dried up.

    He is running a tighter ship.

  13. jason says:

    He has damaged strange who needs to win.”

    I doubt it. Do Rs in Alabama really care who a Senator from KY endorses.

    Trump endorsed Strange, that should should help him a lot more than McConnell damages him.

  14. janz says:

    We’ve personally sponsored workers. It’s not a small feat to take on sponsorship, and requires years of active committment to complete. One man was successful. The government, though, lost his son’s paperwork. So, DACA was his best option at the time.

    I’m hoping that addressing the legality of hard-working DACA people will create legislation creating a more stable future for this segment – something EO-generated DACA certainly did not do!

  15. Tina says:

    I sugggest mitchie stay home and not campign with strange. Toxic.

  16. Tina says:

    They need to vet the daca wirkers.

    Little to no vetting with daca.

  17. janz says:

    Tina, can’t stand that kind farce, as was exhibited by Vanity Fair’s bogus assessment of best-dressed women.

  18. Tina says:

    Janz, melanie was disqualified because she wore stilettos twice.

    You know it is hurting them in the hurricane coverage. They wanted katrina 2.0.

  19. janz says:

    Tina, there are no words for that kind of blighted behavior from a publication.

  20. NYCmike says:

    Link DACA to a tough reform, like Cotton/Perdue. If chuckie agrees to end chain migration, we can make a deal , or some such give and take.

    Still waiting for any other reason why Republuvans won’t support that bill.

  21. NYCmike says:

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/36510/

    “A pro-DACA protest at San Diego State University on Thursday drew roughly 35 demonstrators on a campus of some 25,000 undergrads that’s located just miles from the U.S-Mexico border.

    In fact, at times it seemed more people stood observing the spectacle than actually taking part.”

  22. Tina says:

    No daca criminals.

    No chain migration.

    Wall funding.

    Then, we can deal.

  23. NYCmike says:

    You would think that a program that many “REPUBLICAN” Senators are jumping over each other to show their compassion about would make for a larger turn-out among college kids in California……..you would think………hmmmmm……..

  24. NYCmike says:

    Tina,

    You MUST be a racist “deadender” who just wants to send a message by promoting a bill which would only get 20 votes in a “REPUBLICAN-controlled” Senate.//

  25. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – Congratulations on earning your citizenship. I was just lucky to be born here.

    We are a better nation because you are here. NYC was 50/50 on whether you should have been allowed in since he wants to cut legal immigration in half.

  26. janz says:

    #22. Tina, I think most people would agree with those terms.

    Turning focus to NK – it’s interesting to note that China is suspending transactions with NK in 3 of it’s major banks. That’s a positive move. Also, read yesterday that Trump is proposing a naval blockade that would further isolate NK. My ex navy husband has been suggesting this be done for months!

  27. Tina says:

    Not racist, ny. I have always been pro enforcememt first.

    I am cool with LEGAL Immigration.

    No sympathy for illegals.

  28. Tina says:

    Janz,

    I have two other conditions.

    Repeal obumblercare.

    Tax cuts

    Before they move to daca.

  29. Tina says:

    We are a nation of laws, janz. It is sad that the gop-e wants to cater to the illegals and praise antifa, a do estic terrorist group.

  30. Tina says:

    And she wrote no concession speech.

    She was in no shape to draft one that evening and deliver it.

  31. NYCmike says:

    “We are a better nation because you are here. NYC was 50/50 on whether you should have been allowed in since he wants to cut legal immigration in half.”

    -Agreed on the first sentence, as jason speaks like he is a tax-payer.

    The 2nd part is Bitterlaw being unwilling to answer the question “What will Democrats compromise if we make a deal that is crafted by Schumer-Durbin?”.

  32. NYCmike says:

    “Not racist, ny.”

    -I do hope you know I was being sarcastic…..

  33. Waingro says:

    Dave Wasserman?Verified account @Redistrict 22m22 minutes ago

    Breaking: GOP Rep. Dave Trott announces retirement in #MI11. Moves race from Likely Republican to Toss Up in @CookPolitical ratings.

  34. Jonesy says:

    Trott was no moderate, unlike Dent and Reichert.

    Time for Paul Ryan to step up, and secure good recruits.

    Dino Rossi would hold Reichert’s seat in Wash

  35. NYCmike says:

    “Trott was no moderate”

    -It is Trump’s fault!

  36. Cash Cow TM says:

    stilettos

    tilts toes

  37. Tina says:

    Ny, i know you do not race bait.

  38. Tina says:

    I like one of the headlines at drudge.

    Bitter hillary.

    The name bitter has been stolen.

  39. Trump says:

    “We are a better nation because you are here.”

    What is the evidence?

  40. Trump says:

    Did you guys decide how many illegals is it ok to deport?

  41. NYCmike says:

    They are still trying to figure out how many LEGAL immigrants to allow in.

    Their number is below 200 million, but above whatever Tom Cotton says, and it doesn’t matter what the current situation is now, or in the near and/or distant future.

    SEND A MESSAGE!

  42. NYCmike says:

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/11/exclusive-gowdy-wonders-if-democrats-are-fearful-trump-dossier-is-a-piece-of-fiction/

    -It will be interesting to see the campaign commercials next year. Despite the incompetence of a Republican Congress there is a LOT of ammunition to go after Democrats with, with all of the Russia BS, Antifa, and all of the unhinged statements.

  43. Tina says:

    Gowdy always brings a lot of smoke, but little fire.

    I think knowing the origins of the dossier are important. Who paid for it? Using a foreign source to produce the dossier, who in turn used russian sources to well you know…

  44. NYCmike says:

    Robbie will let us know……

  45. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    10. “I’ve heard Trump’s speech was a favorable one. He appears to have settled down a bit, twitter-wise and his choice of words in public commentary. Knock on wood….”

    Since Trump brought Kelly in, Trump has run a tight ship and his tweets have been positive, and have short of a Chamber of Commerce type content. It is not going to change.

    In post 3 there is a lament from Bannon, He is fingering Kushner and Trump’s family (Ivanka), which is probably correct. At least he understands that Trump needs to effective govern.

  46. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    21. “A pro-DACA protest at San Diego State University on Thursday drew roughly 35 demonstrators on a campus of some 25,000 undergrads that’s located just miles from the U.S-Mexico border. In fact, at times it seemed more people stood observing the spectacle than actually taking part.”

    I live in San Diego. We have many thousands of Mexican workers come over the border everyday to work. They are critical for the San Diego and the regional economy. If they did not come, the economy would not function. Its very difficult to get all wound up over the issue when a substantial amount of the people you deal with a daily basis, and also your friends, are Latin American.

    Yes we need to control our borders, and deport the undesirable people who have come over, but people from Latin America have played a vital role in the California, and the economies of other Western states.

  47. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/faith/2017/09/10/uk-speaker-same-sex-marriage-wont-be-proper-until-churches-cant-opt-out/

    -Somewhere out there, “Michael Corleone” is asking “Didn’t someone say that something like this would happen?”.

  48. NYCmike says:

    “Yes we need to control our borders, and deport the undesirable people who have come over, but people from Latin America have played a vital role in the California, and the economies of other Western states.”

    -Did ANYONE at HHR argue otherwise?

  49. Wes says:

    Hey, Mikey. You never answered my question:

    How many pieces of conservative legislation have Christine O’Donnell, Dick the Misogynist Bastard Mourdock, and Aaron Day voted for while serving in the Senate?

  50. Tina says:

    Sdc, i think bannon was very loyal and effusive towards trump in the interview. I can see why trump likes him, and bannon likes trump.

    I did not know of bannons relationship to bb until the last campaign. It was a site I seldom went to.

  51. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    52. It appears that bb is still supporting Trump, so Bannon is still loyal. My hunch is he will enjoy being on the “outside” and being able to speak his mind freely.

  52. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Michael Moore makes a fool of himself on Twitter:

    Michael Moore
    ?@MMFlint
    Has he opened up Mar-a-Lago as a shelter yet?
    4:34 PM – Sep 8, 2017

    Donald Trump Jr.
    ?@DonaldJTrumpJr
    It’s on an island on both the ocean & intercostal and in a mandatory evacuation zone… probably not the best idea, but you know, narrative! https://twitter.com/mmflint/status/906299838802915328
    3:28 PM – Sep 10, 2017

  53. Tina says:

    Exactly sdc, he i dicated that in the interview. I am sure that should trump run again, he will be co campaign manager.

  54. Bitterlaw says:

    They are still trying to figure out how many LEGAL immigrants to allow in.

    I answered the question weeks ago. We should go with the current number.

  55. NYCmike says:

    “How many pieces of conservative legislation have Christine O’Donnell, Dick the Misogynist Bastard Mourdock, and Aaron Day voted for while serving in the Senate?”

    -The same number as incumbent Senators have voted on since January 20, 2017.

    Any other questions?

  56. Tina says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/11/john-kelly-fires-back-at-democrat-who-called-him-disgrace-to-uniform.amp.html

    Kelly fires back at gutierrez, the gold star dad.

    I like kelky a lot. Ryan needs to condemn gutierez. He has failed to do so.

  57. Wes says:

    So you’re saying the 49 GOP Senators who voted to repeal Obamacare DIDN’T vote for conservative legislation, Mikey?

    Interesting.

  58. Wes says:

    Bete noire of mine:

    Trump tweets “intercostal”–which means between ribs–when he should have tweeted “intercoastal–which means between coasts.

  59. NYCmike says:

    “We should go with the current number.”

    -When Schumer-Durbin and the Democrats says they want double your number, I wonder how the negotiations will go.

  60. Wes says:

    A follow-up question, Mikey:

    How many pieces of conservative legislation have Chris Coons, Joe Donnelly, and Maggie Hassan voted for while serving in the Senate?

  61. Robbie says:

    Another Republican in a swing district announced his retirement today. It’s these types of districts that make a majority and in the last few days three have run for the hills: Reichart, Dent, and now Trott.

    Trump has created a toxic atmosphere for Republicans and, right now, the only thing he’s making great is the Democrat’s chance of taking control of the House.

  62. NYCmike says:

    “Interesting.”

    -Wes,

    I think the correct word would be “cowardice”.

    As far as reports said, the same repeal legislation that was passed when Obama was President was NOT voted on this year.

    What is “interesting” is when you will get married….thousands of women across our great lands will weep as they find their last chance at Wily Wes will be gone for good!

  63. Wes says:

    Sssssshhhhh, Robbie…

    PseudoTrump tells us the President has no effect on the results of midterm congressional elections. He’ll flip out and start ranting like a teenager throwing a tantrum once he sees your post.

    You know, I really need to change my name to Pavlov for this site.

  64. NYCmike says:

    “How many pieces of conservative legislation have Chris Coons, Joe Donnelly, and Maggie Hassan voted for while serving in the Senate?”

    -I would hazard a guess of ZERO, which is why I would not want to craft any legislation with Schumer-Durbin, and would instead make them vote against Cotton/Perdue.

    Do you agree?

  65. Robbie says:

    It must be something close to Christmas morning for NYCMike and the rest of the “send a message” crowd. Corker is wavering about running, another swing district Republican has announced his retirement, and Steve Bannon is trying promote a slate of Trumpian Senate primary challengers.

    At least we got Obamacare repeal. Oh, wait. No we didn’t. At least we got tax reform. Oh, wait. So far, we still haven’t. At least we built the wall and Mexico paid for it. Oh, wait. That hasn’t happened either.

    Thank goodness “sending a message” is as good as legislative victories.

  66. Bitterlaw says:

    -When Schumer-Durbin and the Democrats says they want double your number, I wonder how the negotiations will go.

    You are the one who is now a fan of Trump dealing with Schumer. Ask him. I gave you my position. GFY.

  67. NYCmike says:

    “PseudoTrump tells us the President has no effect on the results of midterm congressional elections.”

    -Actually, the poster “Trump” agreed with you regarding OPEN SEATS, if I am not mistaken.

  68. Wes says:

    But–but–Mikey–you were part of the cabal that wanted to “send a message” by supporting the clowns who lost to the Senators I mentioned in 63.

  69. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 11, 2017 at 9:50 am
    Pretty honest assessment of himself.
    “Steve Bannon stated: “In the 48 hours after we won, there’s a fundamental decision that was made. You might call it the original sin of the administration. We embraced the establishment. I mean, we totally embraced the establishment. I think in President Trump’s mind, or President-elect Trump’s mind, in Jared’s mind, in the family’s mind, I actually agreed with the decision. ‘Cause ya had to staff a government. And to be brutally frank. You know, the campaign look, I’d never been on a campaign in my entire life, right? You know, I’m a former investment banker who’s a media guy, running a little website. We were– our whole campaign was a little bit the island of misfit toys. So he looks around and I’m wearing my combat jacket, I haven’t shaved, I got, you know, my hair’s down to here, and he says he’s thinking. “Hey, I’ve gotta put together a government. I’ve gotta really staff up something. I need to embrace the establishment.””

    – I’d remind NYCMike in 2014 it was the establishment that created the largest House majority since 1928 and it was the establishment who created the second largest Senate majority since the 1920’s.

    Along can Orange Donnie and in 2016 we got smaller majorities that will almost be even smaller in 2018. But yay Bannon!

  70. NYCmike says:

    “You are the one who is now a fan of Trump dealing with Schumer.”

    -I have said Trump was WRONG about 3 or 4 times.

    That makes me a fan of Trump dealing with Schumer?

    That would be an odd way to show it.

  71. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    September 11, 2017 at 12:24 pm
    Trott was no moderate, unlike Dent and Reichert.
    Time for Paul Ryan to step up, and secure good recruits.
    Dino Rossi would hold Reichert’s seat in Wash

    – These guys are quitting because of Trump. It’s time for Trump to step up and start acting like a sane person and stop siding with Chuck and Nancy.

  72. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 11, 2017 at 12:43 pm
    “Trott was no moderate”
    -It is Trump’s fault!

    – Yep. Trump’s toxic right now. The sooner you pull your head out of the Trumpian orange haze, the better.

  73. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 11, 2017 at 2:55 pm
    Robbie will let us know……

    – I’m always going to be around to tell you Trump is wrecking the Republican Party. One day, I hope you’ll figure that out. Unfortunately, you supported Dick Mourdock so maybe you never will figure it out.

  74. NYCmike says:

    COD & Mourdock were chosen in a primary system.

    Are you against those types of elections now? Should those states go to a caucus-type convention, like the one that Mike Lee took advantage of?

    Aaron Day – let me know how we can go about restricting elections to just the 2 major parties. I don’t think I would support you in that regard, but it might be fun to call you “Il Wesley”.

  75. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    September 11, 2017 at 4:10 pm
    I can see why trump likes him, and bannon likes trump.

    – Morons and fools tend to like morons and fools.

  76. NYCmike says:

    “It’s time for Trump to step up and start acting like a sane person and stop siding with Chuck and Nancy.”

    -Trump pushed Cotton/Perdue

    Flake and Graham are writing legislation with Schumer-Durbin.

    Which should Trump, and a Republican Congress, pursue?

  77. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 11, 2017 at 4:51 pm
    COD & Mourdock were chosen in a primary system.
    Are you against those types of elections now? Should those states go to a caucus-type convention, like the one that Mike Lee took advantage of?
    Aaron Day – let me know how we can go about restricting elections to just the 2 major parties. I don’t think I would support you in that regard, but it might be fun to call you “Il Wesley”.

    – If people like you who are really only concerned about sending a message are voting, then I’m really torn.

    You voted for people who were surefire loser. All of the incumbents you hated but would have won would have provided the one last vote needed to repeal Obamacare.

    But they fight!!!

  78. jason says:

    -I have said Trump was WRONG about 3 or 4 times.”

    Not bad for what, 2 years?

  79. NYCmike says:

    “Which should Trump, and a Republican Congress, pursue?”

    -I figured that question would halt them……80 votes for a deal crafted by Trump with Schumer and Pelosi…….methinks Trump is NOT the only problem.

    Bitterlaw, and the rest, say NOTHING about the 80 votes.

    Why is it so hard to say, as I have said it many times, “Trump was wrong for dealing with Schumer, but so are the Republican Senators who do the same.”?

  80. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 11, 2017 at 4:52 pm
    “It’s time for Trump to step up and start acting like a sane person and stop siding with Chuck and Nancy.”
    -Trump pushed Cotton/Perdue

    – For the love of God, give it up with Cotton/Perdue. It’s never happening.

    You sound like a Democrat who is still saying Merrick Garland is the rightful occupant of Scalia’s SCOTUS seat.

  81. NYCmike says:

    “Not bad for what, 2 years?”

    Actually, on this one issue, but you already knew that.

  82. jason says:

    I am cool with LEGAL Immigration.”

    Me too Tina, that is why NYC’s pseudo bill is going nowhere.

  83. jason says:

    For the love of God, give it up with Cotton/Perdue. It’s never happening.”

    SEND A MESSAGE!

  84. NYCmike says:

    ” It’s never happening.”

    “Flake and Graham are writing legislation with Schumer-Durbin.

    Which should Trump, and a Republican Congress, pursue?”

    Robbie chooses SCHUMER.

  85. NYCmike says:

    Still only one issue has been raised in regards to Cotton/Perdue……I am starting to think those opposed have not even looked at the bill.

    Also, still wondering how you get Democrats to compromise from their position, if you are already compromising your own position.

  86. jason says:

    The pseudo bill is going the same place as repealing Obamacare without a replacement.

    All or nothing gets you nothing every time.

    But some people are happy with nothing if you send a message when you get nothing.

  87. jason says:

    What I’d like to do is a comprehensive immigration plan,” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One in July. “But our country and political forces are not ready yet.”

    He was talking about NYC and others in the “all or nothing camp”.

    An opportunity for NYC to say Trump was wrong for the 5th time in 2 years!!

  88. NYCmike says:

    “All or nothing gets you nothing every time. ”

    -How is Cotton/Perdue ALL-OR-NOTHING?

    It is a starting point.

    I am looking for their bill to be debated and voted upon.

    I have already stated the number of immigrants allowed is flexible.

    I would hope to get at least 60% of what it calls for, with an outside chance at 75%, if Republican voters made their voice heard.

    WHAT ARE YOUR OTHER OBJECTIONS TO THEIR BILL?

    WHY DO YOU, ALONG WITH MCCONNELL, WANT TO KEEP THIS BURIED WITHOUT A FAIR HEARING?

  89. NYCmike says:

    Not once have I stated “It is either Cotton/Perdue, EXACTLY as it is written, OR NOTHING AT ALL!”.

  90. NYCmike says:

    What issues would you need to compromise on?

    We already covered the number of legal immigrants.

    Bitterlaw wants to keep that number the same (evenit has fluctuated every year for the last 225 or so years), without regard for changing circumstances. I am sure Cotton/Perdue will agree to raise that number if he can end chain migration and some immediate welfare payment requirements.

  91. NYCmike says:

    *evenit** = even though it

  92. NYCmike says:

    Wes, as is his custom, has not expressed an opinion at all on Cotton/Perdue. It is almost like he is scared to say anything.

    Robbie and jason just keep repeating it will only get 20 votes in the Senate, but refuse to say which items of the bill are not supported by the Republicans in the Senate.

    Bitterlaw has registered one complaint with the bill. I said I could probably be flexible on that point. He then repeats himself about the number issue, without ever giving an opinion of the rest of the bill.

    There is only one take-away from all of this:

    You people should have run for the United States Senate! The Democrats would love to work with you on “immigration reform”, because they will get EVERYTHING they want!

  93. NYCmike says:

    Cotton/Perdue would get about as many votes as the Rams-Colts game had fans yesterday….very few.

    Of course, the YUGE difference is that the NFL actually played the game, while our nations LEADERS won’t bring the bill to the floor for a vote.

  94. NYCmike says:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/345145-the-cotton-perdue-raise-act-is-a-refreshing-effort-to-help

    -“While Cotton and Perdue should be applauded for their work, the core of the RAISE Act is not a new idea. In fact, more than twenty years ago, President Clinton created a bipartisan commission to review every aspect of U.S. immigration policy. Led by late civil rights leader and Texas Rep. Barbara Jordan, the commission in 1996 recommended an end to chain migration, prioritizing immigrant admissions based on skills, and limiting overall immigration to 550,000 per year. Sound familiar? Clinton and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle fully endorsed the Jordan Commission’s recommendations.”

  95. NYCmike says:

    “The RAISE Act would also unshackle the chain migration approach that has operated as codified nepotism. A key component of this bill is limiting family-based green cards to the nuclear family, meaning spouses and minor children. If the siblings or adult children of a citizen want to come to the U.S., they are now going to have to earn their way in. Sensibly, the bill does allow U.S. citizens to bring in their non-citizen elderly parents for caretaking purposes, but they cannot access taxpayer funded services.”

  96. Trump says:

    “These guys are quitting because of Trump.”

    These guys are quitting because their lies are catching up with them.

    Dent voted for Obamacare repeal in 2016, he voted for no repeal in 2017.

  97. Trump says:

    They should cut legal immigration by 50% year over year.

  98. Tina says:

    Other than gorsuch, what has the so called establishment done anout

    Building the wall

    Enforcing illegal immigration.

    Utting spending, see the failure to cut 1 percent of the doi.

    Cutting off the muh russian investigations into nothing.

    Eliminating pp .

    REPLEAI G Onumblercare.

    Nada.

    They are sheot and deserve to lose.

  99. Tina says:

    They are quitting because they have primary challengers, in many cases.

    Corker is toxic because he is known for backing the iran deal.

  100. Tina says:

    Lets do the ryano, mitxhie negotiations. We want an 18 month debt limit increase, then secomds later we want 3 months,

  101. jason says:

    Bitterlaw has registered one complaint with the bill.”

    You don’t have to eat a whole egg to know its rotten.

    The legal immigration provision is a non-starter.

    And its stupid since it ensures it will never have a chance of passage.

    But that’s always the idea of deadender legislation anyway, SEND A MESSAGE.

  102. Trump says:

    Science shows it, moron Wes. (Or as much science as is in political science).

    Not some half-as*ed idea pulled by you.

    Just because idiots on the Internet believe something doesn’t make It so.

    “An Investigation into Correlation between a President’s Approval Rating and the Performance of his Party in the Midterm Elections”

    Key note – “…statistically significant useful model for approval ratings greater than 50%: y = 275.461+4.37551x…An attempt to duplicate the success of the greater than 50% model on a less than 50% model was unsuccessful, as a t test for model utility showed no evidence for a useful model.”

    Real data, not some idiot’s heartburn.

  103. jason says:

    They are sheot and deserve to lose.”

    Fine, let’s see how you like it when the Dems are in control.

    I am sure they will do all those things.

  104. Tina says:

    Lets see if they can manage graham cassidy.

    Otherwise, trump,needs to take his pen and do so e eos.

  105. Tina says:

    they are accountable for their stupidity.

    The senate has wasted more time with muh russian investigations than getting anything done,

    Corker has packed it in and he checked out a year and a half ago.

  106. Tina says:

    Daca is stupid and it ahould not pass. They have other priorites, or at least should have other ones.

  107. jason says:

    The promise was not repeal Obamacare it was repeal and replace Obamacare.

    Where is the replace?

    Yep, its a little more difficult than just repeal. Because once you grant an entitlement of that magnitude and it gets implemented, it will never be reversed.

    But we can do Kabuki theater and pretend that’s going to happen along with huge cuts in LEGAL immigration.

    Anyone with half a brain should realize you want to tackle ILLEGAL immigration, but that would not appease the all or nothing crowd.

    So let’s go for nothing on all fronts and blame the GOP leadership.

    Brilliant!

  108. Tina says:

    Even @BillClinton ‘s survivors?

    Juanita Broaddrick
    Paula Jones
    Kathleen Willey
    Gennifer Flowers
    Sally Perdue
    Elizabeth Ward Gracen
    Kamala Harris @KamalaHarris
    Survivors of sexual assault deserve to be believed, not blamed.

    Please run her, please. Senator Communist is easy pickings.

  109. jason says:

    Daca is stupid and it ahould not pass.”

    Well, Trump could have let sleeping dogs lie and brought it up later.

    But he forced it into the agenda and now it has to done within 6 months.

    It was his call.

  110. Tina says:

    Let commie be the the drat nominee in 2020.

  111. NYCmike says:

    https://www.cato.org/blog/sens-cotton-perdues-bill-cut-legal-immigration-wont-work-isnt-effective-bargaining-chip

    -Here is an article that does NOT like the RAISE Act.

    Let’s have the debate on the Senate floor.

    Let’s see who will vote the same way they campaign.

    Instead of blaming “deadenders”, primary systems, Trump, let’s get these people on record for being FOR or AGAINST certain things like “chain migration”, “welfare dependent immigrants”, etc.

  112. Tina says:

    Incorrect, not his call at all. 10 states were going tomsue the government. Those 10″states gave a september deadline.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2017/06/29/texas-leads-10-states-urging-trump-end-daca/

  113. Trump says:

    “Where is the replace? ”

    Ask Mitch and Paul.

  114. Tina says:

    Theynwould have likely prevailed in upper federal courtts too since daca is illegal.

  115. Tina says:

    “If, by September 5, 2017, the Executive Branch agrees to rescind the June 15, 2012 DACA memorandum and not to renew or issue any new DACA or Expanded DACA permits in the future, then the plaintiffs that successfully challenged DAPA and Expanded DACA will voluntarily dismiss their lawsuit currently pending in the Southern District of Texas,” they write. “Otherwise, the complaint in that case will be amended to challenge both the DACA program and the remaining Expanded DACA permits.”

    Her is a key passage.

  116. NYCmike says:

    “The legal immigration provision is a non-starter.”

    -Are you back to the number of LEGAL IMMIGRANTS?

    How many times have I written that it is flexible, and should be flexible, from year to year?

    I am sure Cotton/Perdue would also be flexible if they got the other provisions.

    WHAT OTHER PROVISIONS ARE YOU AGAINST!?!?

  117. Tina says:

    Expanded daca did not receive a favorable ruling already.

    I am still dying to see the arguments made by the la raza types, who threatened their own suit.

  118. jason says:

    Cotton/Perdue is a joke. It isn’t serious legislation and they both know it.

    If you want to be serious about a bill, then you have to have a starting base of at least 45 GOP senators and where you can negotiate to try to get to 50.

    When you start out with less than 20, you might as well propose outlawing hotdogs on 4th of July.

  119. Tina says:

    Trumps travel ban was again restored today by the sc., after a preliminary ruling.

  120. jason says:

    How many times have I written that it is flexible,”

    Huh, hey GOP senators, there is some dude in NY that swears on an online blog that its flexible.

    Pls vote for it.

    I love this place.

  121. jason says:

    It was actually restored by Kennedy.

    However the DOJ did not ask to remove the extended family stay, I don’t know why.

  122. Tina says:

    This is the fifth year anniversary of benghazi.

    Blamed on a you tube video.

    9/11/12.

  123. jason says:

    WHAT OTHER PROVISIONS ARE YOU AGAINST!?!?”

    When NYC is served a sh-t sandwich, he opens it up to see if he can eat some pieces with no sh-t on it.

    The legal immigration provisions are a non-starter with most of the GOP caucus.

    You don’t even have to read the rest of it.

  124. Tina says:

    More sanctions passed the un against nk.

    Another victory on sanctions,

    Nikki Haley is a super star in the admin, second to Gen. Kelly.

  125. jason says:

    This is the fifth year anniversary of benghazi.”

    The fifth anniversary of Susan Rice being sent out by Obama to lie her ass off on national TV on every network, and get away with it.

  126. Tina says:

    Overall, outside of possibly Goldman
    Sachs CROOKED,cohn, a pretty good group of officials.

    Seems like the fema director is doing a great job, unlike brownie, bushs failed picks.

  127. Tina says:

    Susan rice should be in jail for benghazi and the cover up as well as the unmasking of trump and teump officials.

    Whoops, i forgot, there was no wiretapping, thus, no unmasking.

  128. jason says:

    Haley is doing a good job, no question about it.

  129. jason says:

    Rice churns my stomach every time I see her on TV.

    She is the quintessential example of the “ends justify the means” meme. There is nothing she would not say or for the “cause”.

  130. Tina says:

    She woukd be an upgrade in the senate too at some point in the future.

  131. jason says:

    I am sure Cotton/Perdue would also be flexible”

    NYC admits it was not a serious piece of legislation.

    Here is how negotiation works. When you buy a house offered for $200k, you can bid $150k for example. Hoping to settle maybe for $175k.

    If you bid 20k, that’s not negotiation, its a joke.

  132. jason says:

    They should cut legal immigration by 50% year over year.”

    There you go.

    Soccer Moron bids $2k on a $200k house.

  133. Tgca says:

    Whew! What a night!!!

    It was a bit of a challenge but I think after this experience Gloria Gaynor can say it best for me:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tth-8wA3PdY

  134. Tgca says:

    Some wonder if I have a death wish because I stayed for a Cat 5 direct hit hurricane that ended up being a Cat 3 side-swap instead but no, I don’t think I have a death wish.

    I survived Cat 3 winds and had a front seat watching the wind and raging water 15 feet from my bedroom sliding doors (hurricane impact of course). The water was madly rushing in from the ocean and covered my boat dock and splashing over the sea wall and into the yard. I’ve not seen water up close rush like that with hard waves since watching white water rapids in the CO mountains years back. *SNAP*. It was FIERCE!!!

    I’m not very good at snapping my fingers but what did snap were 2 of my 35+ foot trees on the water edge. I watched the gusts bend these trees to the ground all night until finally they started to break off with immense snapping sounds. A few 20 foot stalks, maybe 9-12 inches in diameter broke off into my yard, dock, and water.

    Other than total destruction of two trees and several plants, all went well and no damage to the house, or surprisingly the boat dock which I thought was going to rip off from the surge. I had it re-enforced with new piling a few years back so that may have saved the day.

    Luckily, my landscaper lives close by and I was 1st on the clean-up schedule so all is fine now, all neat and clean, except the yard looks barren and the iguanas are homeless, and clearly I have less privacy from those on water excursions.

    I’ve been through tropical storms and Cat 1 hurricanes before but never a Cat 3 so I can check that off my list of life accomplishments. It was both terrifying and intensely exciting at the same time. Mother Nature can be quite vicious when she wants to be.

  135. Tina says:

    In sf, starting bid is $1 milllion.

  136. NYCmike says:

    Cotton/Perdue wrote a bill that, except for a 50% reduction in the number of LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, most Republican voters would be all for.

    If that is NOT TRUE, what are the other provisions of that bill which would be against the wishes of the Republican voter?***

    ***Please note: I am NOT asking which other provisions the Senators are against, since you have been unable to answer that question.

    I would like to know the issues that THE REPUBLICAN VOTERS would be against.***

  137. Tina says:

    Glad that you are fine, tg.

  138. NYCmike says:

    McConnell will NOT bring up Cotton/Perdue because it will expose the hypocrisy of the Republican Senators.

    They do NOT want a debate about legal or illegal immigration, as they do not have the same outlook as the voters.

    They campaign in one way, and then govern in another.

  139. NYCmike says:

    Tina, there was NEVER a doubt in my mind:

    Irma saw Tgca waiting by the window, and she moved a bit to the left, so as NOT to incur his wrath!

  140. NYCmike says:

    She figured Author was an easier mark!**

    **I hope Author, his wife, and his family are all safe!**

  141. NYCmike says:

    That was interesting: I figured, let me call Flake’s office, and see what they say.

    Woman said that Flake agreed with the points system used in the RAISE ACT, but did not like the hard caps.

    I asked her “Do you think it would be wiser to negotiate with a Senator from his own party instead of with Senator Schumer, a Democrat?”.

    She said “Are you a resident of Arizona?”

    I said “No, but I am a resident of NY, and Schumer will not compromise one iota with Republicans, and if I was a Republican primary voter in Arizona, I would be very pissed that Senator Flake was negotiating with him instead of working out an agreement with his own party first.”.

    She then said “Thank you for the call, and I will advise Senator Flake of your opinion.”

    520-575-8633

  142. jason says:

    Do you think it would be wiser to negotiate with a Senator from his own party instead of with Senator Schumer, a Democrat?”.”

    LOL

    I love this place and the alternative realities that crop up.

    Why didn’t Perdue and Cotton “negotiate” with Flake BEFORE they presented a bill they know goes nowhere?

    They see Flake in the Senate every day, why didn’t they talk to him?

    The answer is because they never had any intention of seeing it up for a vote.

  143. wvally says:

    Read opposing views from ladies of the left on twitter yesterday.

    Lauren Duca, writer for Teen Vogue:

    ProTip: Don’t date anyone who doesn’t identify as a feminist
    https://twitter.com/laurenduca/status/907306315923513346

    ***
    Glamour (@glamourmag) writer:

    Why can’t I stop hooking up with Trump voters? glmr.co/G7G3Bei
    pic.twitter.com/civWC0d5Ex

    (Spoiler alert: the sex is too good so she can’t quit the habit)

  144. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    Cotton/Perdue wrote a bill.

    I do NOT know if they spoke with Flake. They did NOT negotiate with Democrats yet.

    Flake has NOT written his own bill, BUT he is currently negotiating with the Democratic leadership, which is odious, and he is doing this with polls saying he will handily lose in the primary to some crazy lady, and will also lose the general election.

    MAYBE, just MAYBE, there is a connection between those data points?

    Is it possible?

  145. NYCmike says:

    HHR – The place where Wes, and others, YAP about “deadenders” for going-on-decades, but say NOTHING about an incumbent Senator, who while up for re-election, is negotiating with Schumer despite polls showing him with an 18% approval rating.

  146. jason says:

    Zzzz…. I respect Flake because at least he takes his office seriously.

    How do you know Flake did not write his own bill?

    Isn’t Trump negotiating with the Dem leadership? Why can’t Flake negotiate with them?

    I didn’t see you call Trump’s negotiations “odius”.

    If the deadenders want to give Flake’s seat to the liberal Dems, it doesn’t mean Flake has to shirk his responsibility.

    I have no respect for a bill that has ZERO chance of passing and for the senators that propose it KNOWING its not going to pass.

    I admire Flake for trying to do the right thing even if costs him politically like I admired Rubio for trying to get immigration reform done. I don’t admire grandstanding and playing for the choir.

    Let’s see Perdue and Cotton propose something that the GOP caucus could agree on, that would be a real accomplishment.

  147. NYCmike says:

    “I didn’t see you call Trump’s negotiations “odius”.”

    -I said Trump made the WRONG call.

    It is ALWAYS WRONG to deal with the odious Schumer UNTIL ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

    Of course, the 80 votes in the Senate leaves some ‘splaining to do.

  148. jason says:

    NYC admires Trump for negotiating with Schumer because “the GOP leadership won’t get anything done”.

    Well the deadenders in the Senator don’t want to get anything done on immigration so Flake is trying a bi-partisan approach.

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

  149. jason says:

    Maybe Flake thinks its absolutely necessary or nothing will get done.

    Maybe he doesn’t think we are winning.

  150. NYCmike says:

    STILL waiting for jason to pick another item that the Republican voters would NOT want their Senators to vote for………it is almost as if he doesn’t want to show them to be liars about their immigration policy beliefs.

  151. jason says:

    LOL

    “Odious Schumer”.

    Let me see ONE post where NYC complained about Trump funding Schumer for decades.

    The hypocrisy is astounding.

  152. NYCmike says:

    Looks like we are starting to “translate” again:

    jason writes:

    “NYC admires Trump for negotiating with Schumer”

    What NYCmike wrote:

    “-I said Trump made the WRONG call.

    It is ALWAYS WRONG to deal with the odious Schumer UNTIL ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.”

  153. NYCmike says:

    🙂

    And we are back to the political donations……STILL waiting for jason to pick another item that the Republican voters would NOT want their Senators to vote for………it is almost as if he doesn’t want to show them to be liars about their immigration policy beliefs.

  154. NYCmike says:

    “Well the deadenders in the Senator don’t want to get anything done on immigration”

    -BRING THE BILL UP FOR A VOTE!

    Let’s see who is FOR, and let’s see who is AGAINST.

    It would be wonderful to make ALL of those Democratic Senators up for election in 2018 have to take that vote!

  155. jason says:

    STILL waiting for jason to pick another item”

    Zzzzzzz…

    I don’t have to. The legal immigration provision are not acceptable to the majority of the GOP caucus.

    They certainly are not acceptable to me.

  156. NYCmike says:

    As well as Republicans, to be honest.

  157. NYCmike says:

    Which provision?

  158. NYCmike says:

    Chain migration?

    Welfare benefits?

    Points system?

  159. jason says:

    -BRING THE BILL UP FOR A VOTE!”

    Why? It won’t pass. It won’t even get a majority of the GOP caucus.

    All it would do is give the MSM more ammunition to talk about “GOP divisions”.

    McConnell would be an idiot to bring it up for a vote.

  160. jason says:

    Which provision?”

    It’s just a cheap attack on LEGAL immigration.

    Stupid. There is not going to be any 50% cut in legal immigration.

    You read it first here.

  161. jason says:

    Wow, you can’t hit anybody anymore in the NFL.

    It’s going to be a game for p-ssies and sissies.

  162. NYCmike says:

    Here we go with the 50% reduction again….acting as if every bill ever written has never been changed before the final votes.

  163. jason says:

    And we are back to the political donations…”

    LOL

    I just wondered if funding Schumer for decades was as odious as negotiating a bi-partisan bill with him.

  164. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    Of course it was odious….he was only out for himself.

    How many times have I written that!!

  165. jason says:

    Here we go with the 50% reduction again….acting as if every bill ever written has never been changed before the final votes.”

    Huh, why didn’t they negotiate it BEFORE they submitted a bill that was going nowhere?

    You would think they would want as much support as possible for a bill they were serious about, don’t you?

    We know the answer, rhetorical questions.

  166. lisab says:

    Tina said deport them. I want to know the plan to do it.
    ———————————————

    fairly easily actually.

    pass a law which states that if an illegal turns in his employer that hired him illegally, the employer gets fined say $50,000 and give half to the illegal as a reward.

    sooooooooo … any illegal who decides they want to go can simply turn in their employer and pocket $25,000 for traveling money.

    the upshot will be no one will hire illegals, and they will have no reason to stay.

    expand the program if necessary to those who actually grant welfare. if you grant welfare to an illegal and they turn you in, you lose your job and get fined.

  167. jason says:

    Of course it was odious….he was only out for himself.”

    Out for himself?

    Oh, you mean he gave money to Schumer and the Dem Senatorial Committee not because he was a Democrat and thought Dems were the best for the economy, but because he wanted to “build in Manhattan”.

    I love it.

  168. NYCmike says:

    “Huh, why didn’t they negotiate it BEFORE they submitted a bill that was going nowhere?”

    -BECAUSE, they eventually have to negotiate with Democrats, and they most likely realize that a low arbitrary number like that, while good for Republican voters, would need to be NEGOTIATED with someone like Schumer, later in the process.

    When Cotton/Perdue say they will compromise on that issue, while Schumer will compromise NOWHERE, the immigration issue becomes one that is advantageous to the Republican Party.

    The whole country would see the inflexibility of the Democrats, who DON’T WANT ANY CHANGES AT ALL!

  169. lisab says:

    When Is National Cactus Day?

    National Cactus Day is on the 10th of May

    https://www.whatnationaldayisit.com/day/Cactus/

  170. NYCmike says:

    54% to Dems, 46% to Republicans.

    Yes, out for himself.

    Gorsuch and other judges, getting rid of regulations, asking for less spending in certain departments, immigration EO’s, Paris accords……then giving in to Schumer/Pelosi.

    YES, out for himself.

  171. jason says:

    So NYC, what is your problem exactly with Flake’s bill?

    Have you read it?

    What do you disagree with?

    What do you think should happen with the Dreamers?

  172. jason says:

    When Cotton/Perdue say they will compromise on that issue,”

    Link?

  173. jason says:

    Maybe Flake’s bill can be “negotiated” too, right?

  174. lisab says:

    THe one thing that has bothereed me about the rinos is that they do not believe in laws.
    ———————

    they do believe in laws — so long as you are the one it applies to or alternatively if it benefits them.

    any law which does not benefit them or limits them, they are not so concerned about enforcing.

    try not paying your income taxes and you will find you have few friends in congress, unless you work for cnn … paying taxes is not a big priority for cnn employees.

  175. jason says:

    BECAUSE, they eventually have to negotiate with Democrats,”

    Aren’t you skipping a step here?

    How about negotiating with you own caucus to see if you can get a consensus first?

  176. NYCmike says:

    Flake is negotiating with Schumer-Durbin……what exactly would they give up?

    I don’t have to know anything about the bill.

    Schumer-Durbin is just like Cotton/Perdue.

    The ends of the spectrum, on either side, in some ways.

    EXCEPT that I am a Republican, and more closely aligned with Cotton/Perdue than with Schumer-Durbin, as are the majority of Republican voters.

    HOW ABOUT YOU?

  177. jason says:

    LOL… a big government socialist talking about “RINOS”.

  178. jason says:

    I don’t have to know anything about the bill.”

    Ah, but I have to read the whole pseudo bill even though right from outset its a non-starter?

    I get it.

  179. NYCmike says:

    “How about negotiating with you own caucus to see if you can get a consensus first?”

    -That’s fine. They are one step ahead of Flake and Graham, who went directly to the opposite party to negotiate, which is one of the reasons, I dare say, that Flake is at 18% approval in Arizona.

    Corker/Perdue have a bill, what is the regular order to bring up a bill?

    Let’s get it in committee, or up for amendments, or just up for a vote.

    WHICH Senators are against it?

  180. jason says:

    “WHICH Senators are against it?”

    I hope all of them.

  181. lisab says:

    “A pro-DACA protest at San Diego State University on Thursday drew roughly 35 demonstrators on a campus of some 25,000 undergrads”

    25,000 undergrads that need jobs and don’t need more welfare cases

  182. NYCmike says:

    http://latinousa.org/2017/07/20/durbin-graham-introduce-bipartisan-version-dream-act/

    https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/10-questions-trump-every-dem-must-answer-about-dream-amnesty

    “All of these unanswerable questions demonstrate the indefensibility of focusing on amnesty before first focusing on the needs of American sovereignty and security.”

  183. jason says:

    For NYC’s education…

    The 2017 DREAM Act

    The 2017 DREAM Act cancels the removal of DACA recipients and offers individuals a road to citizenship. It establishes legal permanent residence for Dreamers and outlines requirements for citizenship in the United States, like passing a background check. Senator Cory Gardner, the Republican from Colorado, said the bill would provide an immediate fix to protect children who came to America without any documentation through no fault of their own. The legislation exists in two versions: a Senate draft introduced by Senators Lindsey Graham, the Republican from South Carolina, and Richard Durbin, the Democrat from Illinois, and a House draft from Representative Lucille Roybal-Allard, the Democrat from California. Each bill features co-sponsors on both sides of the aisle.

    The BRIDGE Act

    The bipartisan BRIDGE Act would extend DACA for three years, continuing temporary relief from deportation and providing work authorization to young undocumented immigrants. Lawmakers have suggested that rescuing the program short-term will allow them to develop comprehensive immigration reform over the next few years of the Trump presidency. The bill, sponsored by Representative Mike Coffman, the Republican from Colorado, boasts 25 co-sponsors in the House. An identical version in the Senate was introduced by Senator Lindsey Graham and received additional bipartisan support.

    The SAFE Act

    Legislation from Senator Jeff Flake, the Republican from the Arizona, suggests preserving the current DACA program, while also accelerating the deportation of immigrants convicted of a felony or specific misdemeanor. The bill calls for the “prompt removal” of such illegal immigrants no later than 90 days after detainment. Flake has additionally co-sponsored the DREAM Act of 2017 and BRIDGE Act.

    ?Recognizing America’s Children Act

    This House bill preserves DACA while requiring that qualifying individuals have lived in the United States continuously since 2012 without leaving for longer than 90 days. The legislation, introduced by Representative Carlos Curbelo, the Republican from Florida, provides a path to becoming a lawful permanent resident and eventual citizenship. Curbelo called on GOP leaders to bring his bill to the floor, tweeting that it “would not only give peace of mind to hundreds of thousands across the country but also help grow our economy and create new jobs.” It has collected 20 Republican co-sponsors within the House.”

    It seems to me an adequate bi-partisan solution could come from these bills.

    What is the problem exactly?

  184. NYCmike says:

    “I hope all of them.”

    -What other issues?

    Still only the number of immigrants, which is at a pretty high level historically!

    Talk about ALL-OR-NOTHING!

  185. jason says:

    “25,000 undergrads that need jobs”

    Zzzzzzzz…..what a crock.

    Let’s see how many want to wash dishes and pick strawberries.

  186. NYCmike says:

    That link explains a lot of the issues, jason.

    It happened to Reagan in the ’80’s, and you are looking for it to happen again.

    The promises to ENFORCE are always after the amnesty part is granted.

    Let’s try it the other way around this time.

  187. lisab says:

    PseudoTrump tells us the President has no effect on the results of midterm congressional elections.
    —————————————–

    well according to the paper that was posted last thread, unless a president has a favorability of about 60%, the party in power will lose seats

    how many is not a linear function of the president’s popularity

  188. NYCmike says:

    “Let’s see how many want to wash dishes and pick strawberries.”

    -BOOM!

    Get your Cheap labor here!

    To be honest, I love it when we have workers that aren’t the greatest, immigrants or American-born.

    Plenty of people to pick from until we get one we like, and who will work.

  189. NYCmike says:

    Gpo,

    You must be on Instapundit. I was just going to link that.

  190. jason says:

    needs of American sovereignty and security.”

    The Dreamers are a threat to sovereignty and security?

    Yawwwwnnnnn…..

    I don’t support giving them citizenship unless they go through the normal process other legal immigrants have to follow.

    But I do think those that are deserving should be given work permits.

  191. lisab says:

    A key component of this bill is limiting family-based green cards to the nuclear family, meaning spouses and minor children. If the siblings or adult children of a citizen want to come to the U.S., they are now going to have to earn their way in.
    ———————————–

    fyi it takes roughly 15 years for a sibling to be sponsored into the usa legally.

  192. jason says:

    I favor concealed carry reciprocity.

    My permit is not good in NY, NJ, CT and MA to name a few places.

    It’s good in VT but not SC, go figure. Good in AZ but not NM or NE. Ridiculous.

  193. lisab says:

    “Welfare benefits?”

    they do not ask your immigration status when it comes to food stamps, i have filled out enough forms to know

    you are not supposed to get snap as a non-citizen, but they on’t ask for proof

  194. jason says:

    A key component of this bill is limiting family-based green cards to the nuclear family, meaning spouses and minor children. If the siblings or adult children of a citizen want to come to the U.S., they are now going to have to earn their way in.”

    I don’t have a problem with this. I do think adult children should be allowed tourist visas to visit their parents. Siblings too. Obviously they would have to meet the tourist visa requirements.

  195. jason says:

    you are not supposed to get snap as a non-citizen, but they on’t ask for proof”

    So they are not entitled to it, and it should be enforced.

    But remember, we are winning!

  196. lisab says:

    “How about negotiating with you own caucus to see if you can get a consensus first?”
    —————————————–

    nyc,

    we have been over this

    they don’t want to cut immigration in any way

  197. lisab says:

    what a crock.

    Let’s see how many want to wash dishes and pick strawberries.
    ——————————–

    every dreamer is valedictorian of their class — saw it on cnn

    and

    plus, even if the dreamers did not take advantage of in state tuition which actual citizens would not get …

    they don’t want to pay for the welfare those people would get as strawberry pickers

  198. lisab says:

    -BOOM!

    Get your Cheap labor here!
    ————————————-

    yup … and with blue states especially pushing for a $15 minimum wage

    the need an underclass to pay under the table — knowing that “society” will kick in for food stamps, free healthcare and subsidized housing

  199. lisab says:

    in any case, california is beginning to update their farms so they do not need as many illegals

    even construction is beginning to see jobs disappear. within 10 years many jobs now done by illegals will be disappearing

    you don’t need illegal truck drivers or taxi drivers if the cars drive themselves

  200. lisab says:

    this robot lays bricks faster than 3 bricklayers,

    and that is just the beginning

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-VR4IcDhX0

  201. Ron N says:

    My problem with the republic congress is that they won’t do there job. The only way to control spend is for them to pass their authorization bill instead of rolling every bs thing they want into CR to hid from taking hard votes. Try and cut something the only one cutting from the government is Trump not hiring more bureaucrats.

  202. NYCmike says:

    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/09/11/the-true-conservatives-hype-a-trumpocalypse-in-a-desperate-bid-for-attention-n2379346

    -I need to read this again, not sure if I agree with everything he writes.

    BUT, a lot of it is right on!

  203. NYCmike says:

    That bricklayer could work overtime without needing any break times.

  204. Wes says:

    PseudoTrump, I have to admit your incest-spawned brain never fails to live down to my low expectations. While living in Mommy and Daddy’s basement (or is that more properly for you Auntie and Uncle since both groups are identical?), you haven’t developed the ability to realize I intentionally bait you knowing you’re too stupid and egotistical not to respond with laughter-inducing puerile insults that were outdated when I was in fifth grade three decades ago.

    Be sure to keep it up. A handicapped weakling like you has to try to feel important from Mommy’s/Auntie’s and Daddy’s/Uncle’s basement by flexing his internet muscles and pretending to be some political genius when he knows not a motherf ucking thing about politics–or the state of Ohio, which despite your claims of residence you’ve obviously never stepped foot in from your utter lack of knowledge of anything about it.

    As I say, keep it up. I’ll be happy to continue to laugh at HHR’s resident incest product’s vapid rants.

  205. Wes says:

    Just call me Ivan Pavlov because PseudoTrump is my bitch.

  206. Wes says:

    These are the kinds of candidates Mikey wants Republicans want to nominate:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfy5Esue_ls

  207. Wes says:

    Actually now that I think about it, the Star Wars aliens may not similar enough to Dick Mourdock for Mikey’s tastes. He probably needs someone a bit weirder and less electable.

  208. Wes says:

    Lisa, there’s a difference between losing seats and being on the wrong side of a political wave. For example, in 1926, Calvin Collidge was popular, but Republicans retained control of Congress. No one is arguing reasonably popular Presidents don’t lose seats in Congress. The argument, backed by actual election results rather than some esoteric formula, is that unpopular Presidents trigger significant backlash in Congress that almost always leads to the President’s psrty’s loding control of Congress.

    Only Warren Harding, Lyndon Johnson, and Franklin Roosevelt have been the exceptions to this over the last century. Each time, the President saw his party hold Congress despite losing a large number of seats because of the enormity of their majorities.

    No President has ever failed or will ever fail to lose at least some seats in Congress regardless of popularity. The point is that the more popular a President, the less likely his party is to suffer significant setbacks in Congress.

    That’s borne out by the last six midterms. In four of thdm, the President was unpopular and saw large losses for his party in Congress. In two, the President was popular and avoided this fate.

  209. lisab says:

    The argument, backed by actual election results rather than some esoteric formula, is that unpopular Presidents trigger significant backlash in Congress that almost always leads to the President’s psrty’s loding control of Congress.
    ——————————

    that is your hypothesis, but it is one that is not backed up by the data shown in the paper linked on the last thread

    the document, if you read it, clearly shows that there is NOT a strong correlation between president favorability and congressional losses once the president’s popularity is under 60% (or under 50% which is the claim backed by evidence in the paper)

    that is, the paper claims it is a two question process.

    a.) is the president’s popularity under 60%?

    b.) if no, the president will roughly hold even
    if yes, the president will lose seats, but there is no strong correlation between the president’s favoribilty and actual results —

    that is, some presidents under 50% lost “wave elections” as you called them, e.g. 60-70 seats

    some lost 30 seats, still bad of course, but not a “wave”

    the evidence is pretty strong, although only through clinton

  210. lisab says:

    “The point is that the more popular a President, the less likely his party is to suffer significant setbacks in Congress.”
    ——————————–

    the evidence suggests — again the paper only goes through clinton and i have not added the data from bush or obama but as i recall their mid-terms would be consistent with the data in the paper — that only tremendously popular presidents have any strong correlation with the results

    all other recent presidents have either losses or staggering losses

  211. lisab says:

    you should read the paper wes

    while i am interested mainly in the math, i.e. the asymetric correlation between very favorable presidents vs. average to unfavorable recent presidents

  212. lisab says:

    you might enjoy the the paradoxial results

  213. Wes says:

    In what universe is 2006 not a wave election for the Democrats? They took 30 seats from Republicans and picked up the Indy seat in Vermont for a net gain of 31 in the House.

    The whole argument you’re trying to make becomes vacuous once your wave criteria exclude both 1994 and 2006. Hell, by that definition, 2010 is the only wave election of the past quarter century. 1994, 2006, 2008, and 2014 are not waves using your criteria, whivh just shows the weakness of the argument made by the paper.

  214. lisab says:

    my bad, it does actually go through the 2010 election, the elections are listed in order of gain vs. loss, thus clinton was at the top

    it is from 1946 to 2010

    here is the link

    https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1503/1503.07545.pdf

  215. Wes says:

    I already know the results of all presidential and midterm elections, Lisa. Excluding any elections before 1900, we have Presidents losing a significant number of seats in Congress in midterms in 1910, 1914, 1918, 1922, 1930, 1938, 1942, 1946, 1958, 1966, 1974, 1994, 2006, 2010, and 2014.

    Except for Roosevelt in 1942 (when Republicans took advantage of a good map), 1914 (when Dems gained Senate seats while Republicans sharply pared back their enormous House majority), and maybe 1958 (when Ike did nothing as Republicans faced a recession and hanged themselves with RTW proposals in the Midwest), I don’t see any elections where the President’s popularity or lack thereof ws a nonfactor in those elections.

    Basic politics:

    If a party’s President is popular, his party will do well in congressional elections. If not, then the President will see his party severely set back in Congress.

  216. Wes says:

    Thanks for posting that, Lisa. You made my point for me. Eisenhower was the only popular President on the list to see his party majorly set back in Congress.

    In other words, there is a very strong correlation between the President’s popularity and how poorly his party fares in the midterms, Ike being the only exception to the rules.

    I appreciate your posting it.

  217. lisab says:

    I don’t see any elections where the President’s popularity or lack thereof ws a nonfactor in those elections.
    ——————————–

    if you look at the paper, then you can see that only VERY popular presidents have midterm elections which are not horrible.

    everyone else loses. in fact everyone since truman that was under 63% favorability lost seats

    the rest all lost seats, but are NOT highly correlated with the results

    thus ford, fairly popular (54%) lost 43 seats
    gwb at a horrendous 38%, only lost 30 seats

    the data is just not highly correlated

  218. lisab says:

    In other words, there is a very strong correlation between the President’s popularity and how poorly his party fares in the midterms,
    ——————————-

    actually that is exactly what the paper shows to be untrue

    they are correlated, but not strongly correlated

    in fact the data is heteroscadastic, that is, the data is not a good fit.

  219. Wes says:

    Ford lost all those seats because 1974 was Nixon’s second midterm, and Nixon had just resigned because of Watergate. GWB lost ONLY 30 seats because after the 2002 redistricting, Dems didn’t have many more seats to target that year. They still won all but about 10 seats they targeted. They picked up most of the rest and them some when Bush plunged to 29% in 2008.

    The data are highly correlated. If the President is unpopular–or in Ford’s case, the immediately resigned former President–then the President’s party will be significantly set back, Ike being the exception.

    If the sitting President is popular, then his party will suffer fairly light losses or even make gains, Ike again being the exception.

    Your own Pdf bears that out.

  220. Wes says:

    It’s pretty much a 1:1 comparison, Lisa, again with the exception of Ike. The party in power suffers major congressional setbacks if the President is unpopular. The party does not lose significant power if the President is popular.

    You’re caught up on the win/loss aspect of the argument, which is not what I argued. When I said “do well,” I meant “avoid major setbacks.” That’s quite a bit different from hold even or gain.

  221. lisab says:

    for those who look at the paper, but don’t understand statistics, look at the chart on page 7.

    the slanted line shows that there is indeed a relationship between favorability and midterm results

    but for the model to be a good fit the data points should be on BOTH sides of the line, notice at the higher favorability levels they are above the line and under 60% they are on both sides of the line

    and

    the data points at the higher favorability levels are close to the line, while the other data points are far from the line

    and

    it seems to show autocorrelation between elections

  222. lisab says:

    It’s pretty much a 1:1 comparison … The party in power suffers major congressional setbacks if the President is unpopular. The party does not lose significant power if the President is popular.
    ——————————————-

    actually what you are saying above is almost what the paper says …

    the paper is saying that it is (almost) a binary choice or as you wrote a “1:1 comparison”

    if the president is VERY POPULAR they don’t lose seats

    and

    if they are not VERY POPULAR they will lose a bunch of seats and it almost does not matter if they are at 38% popularity or 50% popularity and how bad it will be is a coin flip

  223. Wes says:

    For those who read the paper and don’t understand election results, here’s a simple rule:

    If a President is not named Eisenhower and is popular on Election Day, his party will do anything from suffering light congressional losses to make gains.

    If a President is unpopular, then his party will seriously regret his being in office on Election Day.

    If you don’t believe me, just look at every election since 1994. There is no deviation in any of those elections.

    That’s really all you need to know before delving into the meaningless esoteric statistics Lisa posted trying to refute a basic concept of politics.

    Good night.

  224. lisab says:

    soooooooooo … the bottom line is that if

    past is pro-logue

    according to the paper the gop will lose somewhere between

    10 and 70 seats and trump’s popularity does not enter into it — except that he is and will almost certainly be under 60% popularity

  225. lisab says:

    of course you can disagree with the regression line

    but math does not lie

  226. jason says:

    Broncos tried hard to throw away the game but fortunately were not successful.

  227. Wes says:

    Actually I have said all along Republicans will lose seats next in the House simply because it’s a Republican midterm. That makes losses near certain by itself. If Trump is above 50% then they will lose snywhere from a handful to maybe mid teens worth of loss. If he’s under 50% that number will increase, msking victory in the House more and more problematic.

    It all depends on Trump’s popularity. That’s the same case I’ve made for nearly a year now.

    It’s really this simple:

    If Trump is popular, Republicans will at least contain their losses.

    If not, then it will suck to be a partisan Republican.

    Obviously to avoid that, Trump wants to be as popular as possible next year. He won’t hit over 60%, but if he’s perceived as handling the country’s problems well, then 50% or above–enough to limit losses to single or high double digits–is definitely achievsble.

  228. Wes says:

    Also, Lisa, the math saying every unpopular President has cost his party a large number of seats doesn’t lie.

    There is no President who’s been unpopular and avoided this fate.

    Thus, the fate of the GOP in the midterm is tied directly to Trump.

    I’ll be back later. My bitch should be along soon enough to spew a series of puerile personal attacks against me for daring suggest the President has anything to do with his party’s congressional showing.

    This is Ivan Pavlov, signing off.

  229. Tina says:

    Kac effectively hits back on thighness.

    Kellyanne Conway @KellyannePolls
    ·
    7h
    Today: the 16th anniversary of 9-11; the nation is helping Harvey & Irma hurricane survivors & Hillary is talking about Hillary.
    Zeke Miller @ZekeJMiller
    Hillary Clinton says Trump associates helped Russia meddle in the 2016 election

  230. Tgca says:

    Ok. Starting day 3 and no power. I’m really roughing it here in south Florida. Today it’s gonna hit 90 with 85% humidity and little wind. Without A/C this is disastrous and unbearable cruelty. My hair is not happy, I can tell you that. How the heck did Ponce De Leon stand it here? Argh!

  231. jason says:

    Wobbie must be really proud of the MSM…

    Coverage of Trump is 91% negative.

    I think this wrong since I have yet to see a positive portrayal of him since the inauguration on any news segment.

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2017/09/12/liberal-medias-summer-pummeling-trump

  232. jason says:

    Hey TGCA, what are you going to do when you have a real problem in life?

    Such as running out of scrapple in the middle of a blizzard?

  233. NYCmike says:

    The 9% positive coverage has been since he made the deal with Schumer/Pelosi

  234. NYCmike says:

    Trump was reading Wes’s comments, so he decided to become more popular before the midterms, so that the Republicans would gain more seats!

  235. NYCmike says:

    Or, NOT LOSE as many.

  236. jason says:

    I think Hillary has the evidence, I hate to say it….

    “There certainly was communication and there certainly was an understanding of some sort,”

  237. NYCmike says:

    As for those dang Broncos, my opponent in the Fantasy league had their defense.

    I would have won by 2 points…..except for that dang blocked FG, so we ended up in a TIE, which was also the FIRST EVER TIE in our league, which goes .00 in scoring!

  238. jason says:

    Politics is tough. Hillary had the money, the press, the campaign offices, the ground game, the united party. She offered the most free goodies, free college, free paid leave, free health care, more entitlements.

    But she lost because of “communication” and an “understanding of some sort”.

    Devastating.

  239. jason says:

    The 9% positive coverage has been since he made the deal with Schumer/Pelosi”

    Heh….

  240. Trump says:

    Welcome to the jungle, Wes.

    Good job of projecting your life. Once you are done pimping your hooker to your father, maybe you can crack open the third-rate degree from your fifth-rate poli sci program to understand what real data says.

    “An Investigation into Correlation between a President’s Approval Rating and the Performance of his Party in the Midterm Elections”

    Key note – “…statistically significant useful model for approval ratings greater than 50%: y = 275.461+4.37551x…An attempt to duplicate the success of the greater than 50% model on a less than 50% model was unsuccessful, as a t test for model utility showed no evidence for a useful model.”

    Living with inflated sense of your own worth leads to MD-like downfall when confronted with reality.

  241. Trump says:

    Meanwhile,

    “Corker unsure about running for reelection.”

    Ha ha ha

    He should be looking for housing in Tehran.

  242. jason says:

    The Broncos were ahead by 17 in the 4th quarters. Then two turnovers in a row and they are up by 3. Then they are on the 16 yard line, a gimme field goal away from making the Chargers have to score a TD in 2 minutes with one time out, and they get pushed back to the 39 yard line and miss the FG. Then they get called for PI and put the Chargers in FG range.

    Then they ice the rookie kicker and win.

    I might not survive the season with this kind of drama.

  243. jason says:

    I would have won by 2 points…..except for that dang blocked FG, so we ended up in a TIE, which was also the FIRST EVER TIE in our league, which goes .00 in scoring!”

    And TGCA is out there whining about hurricanes…he doesn’t what adversity is…

  244. jason says:

    Bob Corker is a an actual Republican AND a conservative. We need more Bob Corkers, not less.

  245. Robbie says:

    Ha! *deep breath* Ha! No wall, but DACA. That’s just what the Trump cultists were expecting. Right?! LOL!

    The Hill?
    @thehill

    JUST IN: White House: Trump won’t demand border wall funding in new DACA bill http://hill.cm/lUlA4iN

  246. Phil says:

    DACA and no wall.

    Trump is rapidly evolving into Jeb. You should be thrilled, Robbie. Break out the champaign. Now you can lay off Trump.

  247. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    I don’t understand why that would make you happy.

    With ANY PRESIDENT, their ability to go back on campaign promises is always there.

    Now, with a move like that, accompanied by the deal with Schumer/Pelosi, and after the first 8 months when a Republican-controlled Congress gave him NOTHING, that is when the midterms start to look bad.

    WHY WOULD THAT MAKE YOU HAPPY?

  248. NYCmike says:

    The ability for any elected representative to go back on their campaign promises are always there, which is the exact reason why challenges to incumbents should be celebrated, and voters should look for them to happen more often.

  249. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #252
    Maybe, but his feeble handling of the dangerous Iran Nuclear Agreement should disqualify him from being anything more than a vote.
    It amazes me that a conservative State like TN has two squishes as Senators,Corker and Alexander.Last week, Alexander voted with Susan Collins and all Democrats in Committee to continue payments for the Paris Climate Accord. The Committee vote was 16-14 in favor of continuation.A no vote by Alexander would have scuttled the Amendment.

    #253
    Different source, but the same story from last week first voiced by Congressman,Mark Meadows.

  250. NYCmike says:

    And Phil is exactly right….this is exactly what JEB!2016 would do.

    It is also exactly what Bannon would say NOT to do…….

  251. NYCmike says:

    Sheeple, Jr.,

    Thanks for that information.

    Just so you know, jason will ignore it, as well as many others here on HHR.

    Corker is “an actual Republican AND a conservative.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4emcNAf5lY

  252. Trump says:

    “Actual Republican AND a conservative” actually means Medicaid expansion. And no Obamacare repeal. And $150m funds to Iran.

    But we already knew that.

  253. Trump says:

    “Actual Republican AND a conservative” also means $20 tr national debt.

    Lest we forget.

  254. NYCmike says:

    ““Actual Republican AND a conservative” actually means Medicaid expansion. And no Obamacare repeal. And $150m funds to Iran.”

    -jason? Wes? Bitterlaw?

    And please don’t say “Let’s elect more Democrats.” because nobody is saying that, or wants that (well, maybe “Trump” wants it, I am not sure).

    Take your representatives to task for what has transpired during their terms in office.

  255. Phil says:

    Corker is a squishy conservative at best. Being from Tennessee being a “conservative” isn’t exactly a profile in courage. He pretty much has to vote that way on most issues. His actions or should I say inactions on the Iranian deal were a disgrace. Iran is a few years away from being the new nuclear North Korea, but perhaps even more dangerous if that is possible.

    I hope he retires.

  256. Trump says:

    As if these GOP retirements are going to make any difference.

    It’s not like these clueless dolts are doing anything.

    8 percent approval rating.

  257. Trump says:

    The dog thinks it is Pavlov.

  258. Cash Cow TM says:

    If a county in California has an ordinace baning smoking, and has avif raging forest fire, do they lift the bo smoking ?ban.

  259. Trump says:

    A quick look at Heritage Action Scorecard says:
    Trott: 53%. Dent: 29%. Reichert: 33%.

    P.S. Corker: 50%.

    “Actual Republican AND a conservative” all of them.

  260. Waingro says:

    The Hill?Verified account @thehill

    JUST IN: White House: Trump won’t demand border wall funding in new DACA bill http://hill.cm/lUlA4iN

  261. NYCmike says:

    Waingro,

    Robbie already, breathlessly, posted that information.

    He even used 2 “Ha!”‘s to show his intense pleasure on an issue which will probably make Republican voters LESS LIKELY to get out and vote.

  262. Bitterlaw says:

    Take your representatives to task for what has transpired during their terms in office.

    I voted last year. That’s all I can do. As long as Democrats keep running against Republicans, my only acceptable choice is to vote for the Republicans.

  263. Bitterlaw says:

    No wall but dealing with Schumer and Pelosi. Jonesy to praise Trump as the type of new leadership the GOP needs in 3…2…1…

  264. Bitterlaw says:

    He even used 2 “Ha!”‘s to show his intense pleasure on an issue which will probably make Republican voters LESS LIKELY to get out and vote.

    No matter how much I disliked a Republican candidate, I have never missed an election or failed to vote for an office. Even when I lived in Philadelphia and almost all of the Republican candidates were actually Democrats, I still voted straight ticket.

  265. NYCmike says:

    “I voted last year. That’s all I can do.”

    -Ok, so when the primary comes around, your belief is the incumbent has a position for life, or until he/she decides they don’t want it anymore.

    Got it!

  266. NYCmike says:

    ” Even when I lived in Philadelphia and almost all of the Republican candidates were actually Democrats, I still voted straight ticket.”

    -The original SEND A MESSAGE!

  267. NYCmike says:

    “No wall but dealing with Schumer and Pelosi.”

    -This should make MD, Author, Cory, and Robbie very happy!

  268. Bitterlaw says:

    -Ok, so when the primary comes around, your belief is the incumbent has a position for life, or until he/she decides they don’t want it anymore.

    The incumbent has proven that he or she can win the General Election. That works for me.

  269. Bitterlaw says:

    -The original SEND A MESSAGE!

    What message could I send in a city that was 7:1 Democrat and where all of the Independents were also Democrats. There are almost never primary challengers in the Republican primaries in Philadelphia because they struggle to even get one candidate per race.

  270. DW says:

    So this morning Hillary is blaming Bernie for her loss, in addition to Comey, misogynist voters, and the long list of everyone she considers blameworthy–except of course herself.

    Hillary, YOU were the problem. You couldn’t knock out a first term senator in the 2008 Dem primary, and then you barely held off a far-left communist in the 2016 Dem primary (and that only because of bought and paid for super-delegates), but you then failed to win the general election even though your opponent had more baggage than O’Hare airport.

  271. NYCmike says:

    “-Ok, so when the primary comes around, your belief is the incumbent has a position for life, or until he/she decides they don’t want it anymore.”

    “The incumbent has proven that he or she can win the General Election. That works for me.”

    -So we are in agreement on this issue. Good.

  272. NYCmike says:

    We should all hope Hillary stays in the spotlight, and that the media constantly seeks to highlight her support for certain candidates in 2018.

  273. Trump says:

    “Republican Senators Call on Bannon, Trump to Lay off Incumbents”

    Ha ha ha ha

    Pigs squealing.

    The proper course of action is to step on their throats. With hob-nailed boots.

  274. Trump says:

    “…in order to get things done,” – John Cornyn.

    Behold he delusion of the entitled.

  275. Phil says:

    Hillary on The View tomorrow. Expect a hard hitting, in depth interview from Woopie and Joy Behar. LOL Actually expect a full blown lovefest more like a three way lesbo orgy cheered on by their leftist audience.

    Real porno.

  276. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC claims that he does not want to see Democrats win seats from Republicans but he is also willing to replace Republicans who have already proven that they can the General Election with challengers who have not proven that they can the General Election. Democrats will win SOME of those seats against the challenger but not against the incumbent.

    Not worth the risk to me.

    Blah blah blah Jeff Flake blah blah blah in 3…2…1…

    I said “some.”

  277. Wes says:

    It’s worth the risk, Bitter, if you want Chuck Schumer to be Senate Majority Leader as NYCMike does. That’s why Mikey supports those rejects from the Star Wars cantina scene whenever fhey run.

    I see after being pegged by Mommy/Auntie, my bitch still has the fantasy he has the power personally to destroy the national GOP.

    It’ll be hilarious to see him have another 100% fail rate at predictions next year.

  278. Trump says:

    The dog thinks he is Pavlov.

    Hilarious.

    “An Investigation into Correlation between a President’s Approval Rating and the Performance of his Party in the Midterm Elections”

    Key note – “…statistically significant useful model for approval ratings greater than 50%: y = 275.461+4.37551x…An attempt to duplicate the success of the greater than 50% model on a less than 50% model was unsuccessful, as a t test for model utility showed no evidence for a useful model.”

    Living with inflated sense of your own worth leads to MD-like downfall when confronted with reality.

  279. Wes says:

    I waited just to see how you’d respond, my bitch.

    As expected, you didn’t disappoint.

    I’ll take actual election results over some half-assed study any day–or your godawful prediction rate.

    Now go have Mommy/Auntie put on her strap on again and peg you. You’re much better at receiving that than at analyzing elections, especially in your fantasy home state of Ohio.

  280. Wes says:

    It’s amazing how my bitch is too stupid to realize he blunders into every trap I set for him.

    Then again, considering he’s living proof of why siblings should never have sex, I honestly can’t say I’m surprised.

  281. Trump says:

    Did your mom refuse to swallow?

    Your rants are hilarious. This is what happens when you live a facade based on lies and delusion.

    Go pimp your hooker whatever.

  282. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – It is interesting to compare MD and Trump. MD was wrong about Hillary winning in a landslide and left.

    Trump was wrong about Hillary winning in a landslide and the Democrats winning control of Congress but he now thinks that he is a political genius.

  283. Trump says:

    The two-bit pimp thinks he is some sort of mastermind.

  284. Trump says:

    The stupid idiot who couldn’t understand a 5th grade algenra question chimes in.

    Birds of a feather.

  285. Trump says:

    Somebody help him, please.

    Robbie, where are you?

  286. Wes says:

    There’s no thinking about it, my bitch.

    I bait you daily and get the exact response I was looking for. You’re just too stupid to realize you’re doing exactly what I want. Being the product of sex between siblings, you’ll forever be too stupid to realize that–and I’ll continue forever laughing at your third grade-level, unoriginal responses.

    Now I’m sure Mommy/Auntie’s calling you for another pegging session.

  287. Trump says:

    Your hooker needs your father. Go fix a rate.

  288. Wes says:

    Let’s see…

    My bitch’s predictions last year:

    1) Strickland will beat Portman.

    Not even close.

    2) Trump will get more raw votes than Portman in Ohio.

    He was only off by 270,000

    3) I will achieve my objective of destroying the Republican Party in 2016.

    Now putting aside the compensating egomania of assuming he had yhat power, it never came close to happening.

    4) The Senate is already gone. You’re fighting for the House.

    McConnell and Ryan and still Senate Majority Leader and House Speaker respectively.

    As I said, incest produces some absolutely appalling results in offspring.

    Case in point: my bitch.

  289. Trump says:

    “half-assed study” better than you full-as*ed drivel.

  290. Bitterlaw says:

    Now I’m sure Mommy/Auntie’s calling you for another pegging session.

    Close the nominations. The Gayest Post of the Day has been awarded.

  291. Wes says:

    Originality just isn’t something HHR’s resident incest product is capable of in his insults, Bitter.

  292. Trump says:

    Make sure your pa pays your hooker whatever.

    She wont be happy if he stiffs her.

  293. Wes says:

    No sooner do I say that than the basement dweller proves me right.

    It would be sad if it weren’t so utterly hilarious.

  294. Bitterlaw says:

    The stupid idiot

    This is the problem with Trump. He just adds words together that have the same meaning and thinks that it somehow makes a stronger statement. It does not.

    It makes as much sense as sense as saying “The unsuccessful defeated losing nonvictorious team lost the game.” The synonyms do not make it a stronger statement.

  295. Trump says:

    Poor stupid pimp’s ego is hurt when his drivel is exposed for the crock that it always is.

    “An Investigation into Correlation between a President’s Approval Rating and the Performance of his Party in the Midterm Elections”

    Key note – “…statistically significant useful model for approval ratings greater than 50%: y = 275.461+4.37551x…An attempt to duplicate the success of the greater than 50% model on a less than 50% model was unsuccessful, as a t test for model utility showed no evidence for a useful model.”

    Living with inflated sense of your own worth leads to MD-like downfall when confronted with reality.

  296. Trump says:

    “…showed no evidence for a useful model.”

    Poor stupid pimp’s ego is hurt when his drivel is exposed for the crock that it always is.

  297. CG says:

    This is so sad. The two of them should be best friends over their mutual loathing of “Jeb’s knob.”

  298. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – GFY. Because of you, Trump Guru is going to post that article again and again and again.

  299. Trump says:

    Until it sinks in, stupid.

    It has to go through your concrete brain.

    “An Investigation into Correlation between a President’s Approval Rating and the Performance of his Party in the Midterm Elections”

    Key note – “…statistically significant useful model for approval ratings greater than 50%: y = 275.461+4.37551x…An attempt to duplicate the success of the greater than 50% model on a less than 50% model was unsuccessful, as a t test for model utility showed no evidence for a useful model.”

  300. Bitterlaw says:

    Breaking News – Obscure statistician proves that the past never happened. Developing….

  301. NYCmike says:

    “What’s the difference between Game of Thrones character Cersei Lannister and failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton? One is an entitled narcissist who quietly supported her lecherous husband (whom she clearly loathed) when it was politically convenient, then insisted it was her turn to rule (even though it wasn’t), chose boot-lickers, ass-kissers, and elitist bankers as her advisors while alienating more competent and better-liked people who might have helped her, exacted petty vengeance on imagined enemies, escaped justice and the judgment of the people by destroying her main rival—the charismatic, income-inequality obsessed populist—with an explosive cheat, and was left confused why so many people in her country would rather be ruled by a complete political unknown who tells it like it is.

    The other f*cks her twin brother.”

    https://reason.com/blog/2017/09/12/hillary-clinton-cersei-what-happened

  302. Trump says:

    Common knowledge – cretin believes every word pimp says.

    Not developing….

  303. Trump says:

    Bitterlaw – lapdog of the whoring pimp. Developing…

  304. NYCmike says:

    In other news, the NFL and their broadcast partner thought it important to tell their audience that the Denver Broncos new coach is a minority.

    Considering that there are only 32 head coaching jobs available, he is definitely a minority.

  305. CG says:

    It’s a conspiracy that Tebow is not a head coach today.

  306. Bitterlaw says:

    Bitterlaw – lapdog of the whoring pimp.

    I want points, Jason.

  307. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump Guru thinks that I am Wes’ lapdog? Let’s see.

    Hey, Wes. I have changed my mind. I would hire a drunk driver over any Southerner who had ancestors who fought for the Confederacy.

  308. lisab says:

    Also, Lisa, the math saying every unpopular President has cost his party a large number of seats doesn’t lie.

    There is no President who’s been unpopular and avoided this fate.
    —————————-

    the point of the paper is that

    a.) ANY president below 60% popularity is going to lose seats and there is no strong correlation between popularity and how much the losses will be

    basically, if the president is below 60% popularity the losses will be roughly

    -30 seats with a standard deviation of 15

  309. lisab says:

    if a president is at 50% popularity that is not usually considered an unpopular president

    but according to the paper, they will lose seats.

  310. lisab says:

    -30 seats with a standard deviation of 15
    ———————————

    actually I think the paper said the standard error was 22 … not 15

  311. lisab says:

    in any case, that is not what conventional wisdom says, which is that the president’s popularity is a driving force in the election

    that appears not to be consistent with the evidence

    or

    other variables are strongly involved

  312. Trump says:

    Do you call what you get from the pimp “points”?

  313. lisab says:

    Trump was reading Wes’s comments, so he decided to become more popular before the midterms, so that the Republicans would gain more seats!
    ———————————–

    that would be a huge outlier for trump to gain seats

    if past is prologue

  314. lisab says:

    “half-assed study”
    —————–

    as I mentioned there are problems with the model

    but the math is correct

    linear regression is not the end all and be all of modeling.

    nor is linear correlation.

  315. CG says:

    Due to the nature of the map this cycle, Republicans could gain Senate seats completely regardless of Trump’s popularity or unpopularity.

    That might also involve him not trying to actively defeat Republicans or elect Democrats though.

  316. Trump says:

    It’s a hard concept for the 4th Quartile stupid to comprehend.

    The most important factor in results is those actually on the ballot.

    You know, the ones with 8 percent job approval rating.

    And just another knock on the concrete for the stupid:

    “An Investigation into Correlation between a President’s Approval Rating and the Performance of his Party in the Midterm Elections”

    Key note – “…statistically significant useful model for approval ratings greater than 50%: y = 275.461+4.37551x…An attempt to duplicate the success of the greater than 50% model on a less than 50% model was unsuccessful, as a t test for model utility showed no evidence for a useful model.”

  317. Trump says:

    Trump will actively work to take out Flake and Heller. To show who is the boss. And also because these are low risk actions for him, as these two are already losing. (He is not actively going to campaign against those unlikely to lose.)

    He will also actively help Kid Rock, and those challenging McCaskill, Donnelly, Heidtkamp etc.

  318. lisab says:

    the math in the paper is basic undergraduate stats 101

    the only real surprising result would be if the gop gained seats in 2018

    almost anything else is easily possible from -10 to -70 seats

  319. Trump says:

    Trump wants the scalp of Flake and Heller.

    Probably Corker too, after he opened his big mouth.

    That is why Corker is on Bannon’s list.

  320. CG says:

    He already endorsed Heitkamp last week. Is he going to flip on that?

  321. janz says:

    #290 Bitter:

    “Wes – It is interesting to compare MD and Trump.”

    There are more similarities than just mistaken predictions. During the MD parade of insults, his entire temperament was one of boosting and bravado. Then he simply slunk away into the tomes of the internet and oblivion.

  322. Trump says:

    That’s what a moron like you thinks.

  323. Trump says:

    That was for 328

  324. NYCmike says:

    Trump with Schumer-Pelosi is bad according to “CG” and myself.

    Flake/Graham with Schumer-Durbin – Republican primary voters don’t like it, nor do I.

    “CG” would say YES to them before Cotton/Perdue.

    “CG” is a Pragmatic compromiser?

  325. NYCmike says:

    Trump “endorsed” Heitkamp?

  326. NYCmike says:

    Trump should have had Heitkamp over for movie night.

  327. Waingro says:

    SCOTUS strikes down 9th Circus on Trump Travel Ban. Issues a stay.

  328. Robbie says:

    Ha! Suckers. You fell for it. The lifelong Democrat is still a lifelong Democrat.

    Alex Pfeiffer?
    @PfeifferDC
    3 hours ago

    Trump Has Always Backed Amnesty, White House Says

  329. Tina says:

    Mitchie inow claims that the debt ceiling has flexibility. Will not need an increase until 18 months.

    Is this true?

  330. Tina says:

    Her thighness, the jebots candidate, was embarassed today.

    A person asked her what happened to the 33,000 emails she deleted.

  331. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    September 12, 2017 at 9:58 am
    DACA and no wall.
    Trump is rapidly evolving into Jeb. You should be thrilled, Robbie. Break out the champaign. Now you can lay off Trump.

    – Ha! The bitter reality that Trump’s immigration talk was a load of BS is now coming to the fore.

  332. lisab says:

    TIL that to get into character when playing the Joker, Heath Ledger locked himself in a motel room for 43 days straight. This allowed him to feel isolated and alone with his thoughts, helping him perfect the crazed. psychopathic Joker that we all ended up seeing on screen.

  333. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 12, 2017 at 9:41 am
    Bob Corker is a an actual Republican AND a conservative. We need more Bob Corkers, not less.

    – On this, we are in total agreement.

  334. Tina says:

    “Whether or not he’s going to read Hillary Clinton’s book, I’m not sure, but I would think that he’s pretty well-versed on what happened..” Sanders replied as the press pool laughed.

    Boom!

    Sanders was on her game, wants comedy to be charged too.

  335. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:10 am
    Robbie,
    I don’t understand why that would make you happy.
    With ANY PRESIDENT, their ability to go back on campaign promises is always there.
    Now, with a move like that, accompanied by the deal with Schumer/Pelosi, and after the first 8 months when a Republican-controlled Congress gave him NOTHING, that is when the midterms start to look bad.
    WHY WOULD THAT MAKE YOU HAPPY?

    – Trump was always lying about immigration, but a certain segment of the conservative base fell for it. Watching them come to that realization is pure schadenfreude for me.

  336. Tina says:

    9th circus loses again!

  337. Phil says:

    341

    Iranians agree 100%!

  338. Tina says:

    Breaking news

    Comedy under investigatiom by doj and ig.

    Phuq yeah.

  339. lisab says:

    Waiver issued so construction of border wall can begin

  340. Tina says:

    Corker is no republican,

    He is known for coddling the mullahs.

    Phuq him.

  341. lisab says:

    GREAT AGAIN: Median Incomes Rises to Highest on Record…

  342. Tina says:

    the noose around comedy and the dossier continues to tighten.

    Mueller is now involved too.

  343. Tina says:

    If sessions takes out mueller, muh russian dies quickly.

  344. Tina says:

    this is too genius.

    He strips away the republicans from wanting a wall in order to vote for daca. With wall in exchange for daca duck, daca duck is dead.

    No way congress has time to cote on it and without wall, no way can ifund. Six months is too narrow, olus the drats are suing on daca duck.

  345. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    328. “He already endorsed Heitkamp last week. Is he going to flip on that?”

    Trump did not endorse Heitkamp, he gave her a rid on Air Force One and she appeared at a rally of his. Keep in mind he considered her for his cabinet earlier in the year. Could see her switching parties after she is re-elected.

  346. lisab says:

    Does the sperm really penetrate the egg? There is Inherent Sexism in How We Talk About Biology

  347. lisab says:

    Though we like to think of the language of science as objective, NYU medical anthropologist Emily Martin revealed gender biases in an aspect of biology in her groundbreaking article, “The Egg and the Sperm: How Science Has Constructed a Romance Based on Stereotypical Male-Female Roles.” According to Martin, textbook writers have imbued the sperm and egg with gender stereotypes. The egg is often portrayed as less worthy than sperm, and so women are depicted as less worthy as a consequence.

    By examining scientific textbooks, Martin found that our reproductive systems are usually depicted as factories to produce sperm or eggs. For women, not only is gamete production important, but the creation of a proper environment for the developing embryo is crucial as well. So if reproductive materials are a means of production, the menstrual cycle must be understood as a failure. According to Martin, medical texts refer to menstruated tissue as “debris,” and menstruation, “tissue death.” Other words to describe menstruation include, “ceasing, dying, losing, denuding,” and “expelling.”

    In contrast, the production of sperm is written about with awe and mystery, regardless of whether or not it fertilizes the egg. Remember most never make it very far. The sheer output of the male reproductive system, and the mystery surrounding the change from spermatid to mature sperm, are often discussed with wonder. Martin quotes a classic text Medical Physiology to make her point. “Whereas the female sheds only a single gamete each month, the seminiferous tubules produce hundreds of millions of sperm each day.” Another author marvels as the seminiferous tubules which if stretched out flat, “would span almost one-third of a mile!” But no such enthusiasm is used to explain female reproductive tissues or processes.

  348. Phil says:

    Absolutely zero chance Heitkamp ever changes parties.

  349. lisab says:

    Florida looting crackdown is ‘white supremacy,’ claims author Sarah Jaffe

  350. Tina says:

    There is no evidence that trump endorsed heidikamp,
    A lie by jebot.

  351. Tgca says:

    A/C back …ah! Life is sweet.

    Only out 2 days…and don’t believe those damn advertisements that say their mattresses are designed to naturally cool the body and move heat away. I rarely sweat but I was soaking in my bed last with no A/C and the house being 85 with humidity above 80. I must have gotten up 6 times to go and wet towels to put on my neck and back to cool down. I dunno, maybe it’s because I’m just too HOT!!! 🙂

  352. Tgca says:

    I saw some real massive tree devastations today in my neighborhood. Now I feel lucky. One house had a 40 foot tree ripped out of the ground, roots and all laying across the driveway. They are so lucky it fell that way and not on the house. Most still without power here but some big stores opened up today. FPL sent message that they expect east coast of FL to be up and running by the end of the week. They made no mention of the Keys or west FL do not sure what that means.

    Most strip mall and small stores closed still. Almost all light signals still out and curfew in effect after 10PM. Guess I’m not going pole dancing tonight.

    I’ve not found one gas station either open or with gas. I still have a half tank to get about town so that will last me a week or so. South FL will be booming in the landscaping business for the rest of the year as people replace all the lost trees, plants, and foliage. Time to buy a Home Depot stock too maybe.

  353. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca – I am sure that you are still FABULOUS!

    Z-snap.

  354. Tgca says:

    Seriously, I’ve seen little to no structural damages in Fort Lauderdale area and we, along with Miami took the brunt of the Cat 3 storm after the Keys were bombarded with Cat 5 winds. So I’m not sure where these storm estimates are coming from unless it’s all Keys losses. Hard to believe those numbers are for Keys only. The FL mainland structural damage seems to be minimal with most damage being trees, plants, fences, street signs. I’ve not seen any downed street lights either, though they all lost power. Unless the news is not showing the structural destructions, it doesn’t appear all that horrific structurally, at least not like Andrew. I guess we’ll see about the Keys once they allow folks back in.

  355. Tgca says:

    I’m not FABULOUS Bitter, but I must admit I’m having an awesome hair night. One of my essentials in preparing for the storm was stocking up on hair gel and extra hold spritz spray. I think CNN should fire Anderson Cooper and let me do their hurricane reporting. He ain’t got nuttin’ on me. I’ll even wear my #45 MAGA storm jacket.

  356. Robbie says:

    This can’t be. I was assured by Laura Ingraham that is a benefit for Republicans.

    Daily Kos Elections?
    @DKElections

    YES! Dems pick up *another* GOP seat in NH special tonight. Won 56-44 in seat Trump carried 56-39—a 28-point swing! http://dkel.ec/2xwclp4

  357. Tgca says:

    Losing one seat in a special election this early may be the wake-up call Ryan and McConnell need to start getting things done. If they get their teams together and focused, then they can pass meaningful legislation that the American ppl can identify with instead of letting the MSM control the evening news with constant pronouncements of failure after failure. Some important things have been done but they need to focus on the big items, and in order to do that, they need leadership to bring the teams together. That is their job. They’ve been lax in doing that on the big items.

    GWB and GOP leadership nearly destroyed the GOP after 2004, but the GOP came back big time because of Dem overreach. As long as the economy is steady and the GOP shows progress, they should be fine, but progress is the key here.

  358. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzzzzz Not a Congressional seat but Robbie will jizz over it anyway.

  359. Tgca says:

    Also, Kelly thus far is helping reign in Trump to a reasonable level. Trump will always be Trump but limiting access to him by many is good. Bill Clinton had the same lack of focus and the 1994 whooping taught him a major lesson.

  360. Phil says:

    Follow Daily Kos twitter accounts much, Robbie?

    Of course you do.

    Time to uncork the champagne with the Kos kiddies. Party on, Robbie! Say hello to MD for us.

  361. Tgca says:

    Also, I saw on Newsmax that Sessions might use lie detector tests to ferret out leakers on limited classified info. About time. I’ve been saying this for months. There is a small group of folks that had access to specific classified leaks. Just announce that everyone is being asked to do a one-time limited lie detector test for the good of the team. Those that balk should be shown the door, and assumed not a team player. This would scare the beejeebies out of any chronic leakers. This will work. I know it! I’ve seen it on an episode of 24 years ago…unless you’re a skilled trained nefarious assassin spy, 🙂

  362. Bitterlaw says:

    Just found out that a 19 year old freshman died at Lafayette College. It may be linked to lacrosse team drinking or hazing. I cannot imagine the hell his family has to endure.

    The stuff we fight about is so unimportant at times.

  363. Phil says:

    Bitter,

    Agreed

  364. Bitterlaw says:

    They should also put suspected leakers in pit with walkers. The ones that get bitten are probably the leakers.

  365. Bitterlaw says:

    How is your wife doing? How are you doing?

  366. Tina says:

    When does a real conservstive cite daily kukos?

  367. Phil says:

    We have had a good last couple of weeks, Bitter. Thanks.

  368. Tina says:

    Sessions should just do it, mot say he would do it.

  369. Bitterlaw says:

    Uh oh. Tina just leaked that she briefed Pelosi.

  370. Tgca says:

    Put suspected leakers in pits? Not a bad idea. However, I think they may get more confessions if they force them to look at naked pics of Rosie O’Donnell until they confess.

  371. Tina says:

    Yeah, classified, bl.

  372. Tgca says:

    Oh, maybe de-briefing Pelosi would also get more confessions.

  373. Robbie says:

    Trump is making the Democrat Party great again.

    Daily Kos Elections?
    @DKElections

    There we go! With all precincts reporting, Dems pick up Oklahoma’s 46th House District 60-40! Second pickup tonight!

  374. Tina says:

    Why do these book publishers keep losing money on her thighness?

    Her 2014 and 2017 books bombed.

  375. Tina says:

    She likely cannot remeber anything anyway.

  376. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    September 12, 2017 at 9:31 pm
    Zzzzzzzzzz Not a Congressional seat but Robbie will jizz over it anyway.

    – I remember all throughout the Obama years, especially the early ones, when Republicans won surprising state house seats in places like California and Colorado and they were deemed as harbingers of Republican national wins to come.

    Whatever you think of these races, I think they show a clear message that Trump’s unpopularity is really hurting Republicans.

    Of course, Trump doesn’t care about Republicans.

  377. Tina says:

    http://insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/57877

    Gutierrez shoukd pop off in front of general kelkys face.

    I wonder what would happen to gutierrez?

  378. Tina says:

    Illinois Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D) responded to Gen. John Kelly [Ret.], after the White House chief of staff dismissed the Chicagoan’s first round of criticisms.

    Gutierrez said Kelly, a retired four-star Marine general, is “a politician, OK, not a general.”

    “What could be more mean and more vicious than to say ‘you’ve got six months to pack up…and leave the United States’,” Gutierrez said.

    “I don’t see [him wearing] a uniform,” Gutierrez told the Washington Post. “He’s a politician who works for Donald Trump.”

    Uh, he is still a 4 star general, gutter.

  379. Tgca says:

    Robbie’s got a point. The Dems only need to switch 501 more legislative seats and the Dems will take the narrow lead. This could be a nail biter.

  380. Tina says:

    “What could be more mean and more vicious than to say ‘you’ve got six months to pack up…and leave the United States’,” Gutierrez said.

    Blame, the stupid President that violated federal law.

  381. Robbie says:

    Tgca says:
    September 12, 2017 at 9:29 pm
    Losing one seat in a special election this early may be the wake-up call Ryan and McConnell need to start getting things done. If they get their teams together and focused, then they can pass meaningful legislation that the American ppl can identify with instead of letting the MSM control the evening news with constant pronouncements of failure after failure. Some important things have been done but they need to focus on the big items, and in order to do that, they need leadership to bring the teams together. That is their job. They’ve been lax in doing that on the big items.

    – A lack of legislative achievement is certainly some of the problem for Republicans, but the real problem is Trump’s unpopularity. In a midterm election, the president’s approval rating is the key indicator.

    Even if you believe Trump’s approval rating has climbed to 40% nationally (I think it’s lower), a 40% approval rating on election day next year will produce a wipeout for the Republican Party.

  382. Tina says:

    I do not see any more wh leaks by unidentiefied person reported by the loon bots

  383. Phil says:

    Keep digging, Congressman Gutierrez.

    What an absolute fool.

  384. Bitterlaw says:

    Robbie – I see your point but you would be more credible if you had also posted stories when Republicans won special Congressional elections this year.

  385. Tina says:

    Maybe theyncan deport gutierrez from dc to the peoples republic of illinois, a cess pool

  386. Tina says:

    Cesspool of criminals, thugs, and corruption.

  387. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    September 12, 2017 at 9:35 pm
    Follow Daily Kos twitter accounts much, Robbie?

    Of course you do.

    Time to uncork the champagne with the Kos kiddies. Party on, Robbie! Say hello to MD for us.

    – Is that the best you got, Phil? Sad. I follow Stuart Rothernberg and he retweeted it.

    Sorry the bad news doesn’t sit well with you. It doesn’t sit well with me either, but I’ve been trying to warn people since February Trump’s cratering approval rating was going to be a disaster for the Republican majority in the House.

  388. Tina says:

    Has daily kukos any muh russian stories. Anything new?

  389. Phil says:

    It’s a state legislative seat. Cool your jets although I can see how Stuart Rothernberg would be a bit giddy about any Democratic election success…. just about anywhere.

  390. Tina says:

    Paul Joseph Watson @PrisonPlanet
    ·
    1h
    It’s 10 months after the election and Trump is still your president.

    Riots failed

    Recount failed

    “Muh Russia” failed

    “Muh Nazis” failed.

    Add even longer, kahn, the bilky bush tape, etc.

  391. Tina says:

    Will daca ryano condemn gutierrez for slandering a 4 star general and a gold star dad?

  392. Robbie says:

    Tgca says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:05 pm
    Robbie’s got a point. The Dems only need to switch 501 more legislative seats and the Dems will take the narrow lead. This could be a nail biter.

    – Mock all you want, but was anyone talking about a 1000 seat statehouse gain for Republicans at this point in 2009? Nope. When things change, they can change quickly.

    Republicans are in big trouble for 2018 and it’s because of Trump. If he stops acting like an unhinged fool, maybe things will turn around. But as of right now, Trump is guiding the party into a maelstrom.

  393. Tina says:

    Looks like gutierrez thinks kelly is mean.

    Sjw.

  394. Tgca says:

    The only way I see a GOP wipe out in 2018 is if the economy tanks or the GOP congress produces no significant legislation by early next year. Trumps base is behind him significantly still and I doubt independents are going to flock to Dems in hopes of getting something done because if the Dems pick up Congress we know all they will try to do is impeach because they are going further left. We’ve been down that road before and indies are not that gullible. Dems are not energized or focused enough to get their voters out en masse because Trump will counter with his voters as he did in recent special elections and reduce the impact. Doesn’t mean Dems can’t win seats, but I doubt there will be a wipe out.

  395. Tina says:

    “The Chamber of Commerce doesn’t want a wall … the pressure is greater from the Chamber of Commerce than it is from the members,” Tancredo, who for years in the House fought a mostly fruitless battle to get Congress to combat the flood of illegal immigration, added. “That’s the basic problem. It was then. It is now.”

    Yeah, whatever coc wants, they get.

  396. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:07 pm
    Robbie – I see your point but you would be more credible if you had also posted stories when Republicans won special Congressional elections this year.

    – I was here for each of those races, but I hardly found any of the results comforting as they pertained to 2018. The seats held by Pompeo, Zinke, Price, and Mulvaney were all won by substantial margins. In each case, Democrats, with crappy candidates, significantly narrowed the special elections results. To be honest, I think those four races suggested Trump was already hurting the party after just three or four months.

  397. Tina says:

    We need new leadership, otherwise we are phuqed.

  398. Tina says:

    Tom donahue and purchased ryano et al.

  399. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:11 pm
    It’s a state legislative seat. Cool your jets although I can see how Stuart Rothernberg would be a bit giddy about any Democratic election success…. just about anywhere.

    – Fred Barnes has long referred to Stuart Rothernberg as a Republican leaning analyst. If you disagree with that sentiment, take it up with him.

    As for state house seats, I remember all of the stories in 2009 and 2010 about Republicans winning these kinds of races in states like California and Colorado and being told it was a sign Republicans were going to have a very good 2010. Well, how’d that turn out?

  400. Tgca says:

    401. Disagree. Many accept Trump for his personality and cut him slack as long as he focuses on the right agenda. Obama was personally liked but lost seats for his party due to his agenda and not his personality. Folks see through personality issues and I believe will see through it again as long as the economy is stable and Congress is able to get meaningful legislation passed.

  401. Tina says:

    Looks like a quittens huntsman batle may be brewing for a utah senate seat.

    Any other choices?

    I do not want quittens to win.

  402. Tina says:

    DOJ will not bring charges against officers in the freddy gray death.

    Baltimore got no convictions due to weak evidence and an out of comtrol prosecutor.

  403. Phil says:

    Right now I see the GOP barely hanging on to the House, minus twenty seats. Retirements and presidential popularity the major headwinds. Senate I see Flake losing to a D (or his primary foe losing as well). Heller barely hangs on. Republicans only take one of the six Democratic seats that are upin red states primarily because of crappy recruiting on the GOP side and Trump’s gift to Heitkamp. Probably means Republicans lose the senate in 2020. 2018 a major Republican opportunity blown.

  404. Robbie says:

    Tgca says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:16 pm

    Trumps base is behind him significantly still and I doubt independents are going to flock to Dems in hopes of getting something done because if the Dems pick up Congress we know all they will try to do is impeach because they are going further left. We’ve been down that road before and indies are not that gullible. Dems are not energized or focused enough to get their voters out en masse because Trump will counter with his voters as he did in recent special elections and reduce the impact. Doesn’t mean Dems can’t win seats, but I doubt there will be a wipe out.

    – Two things. First, Trump’s base is simply not large enough and it is smaller today than it was three months ago.

    Second, have you seen what Trump’s approval rating is with Independents? It’s in the low 30’s. Independents decide who the majority party is and, with an approval in the 30’s, that signals Democrats will do very well.

    Most importantly, Republicans in the House are beginning to announce their retirements in seats that will be tough to hold. They are the tip of the iceberg. We saw this signal bad things for Republicans in 2006 and for Democrats in 2010.

  405. Tgca says:

    …and the Dems are moving further left and against American traditional values. How is that going to expand Dem party for them to win seats? Let’s rename Washington DC and strip the nation of its historical character? Works great in CA and NY but not really elsewhere. Also, Trump will fight and personally go to districts where as previous GOP Potuses bury their head in the sand. Don’t count out Trump ability to turn this on the Dems. He has out-mastered the GOP and Dems when it gets down to the dirty fighting. He does best and energizes ppl behind him when he goes on the attack. Ppl like a fighter in their leaders.

  406. Tina says:

    Phil, flakey is a liability. That seat is tough, even if he is primaried.

  407. Tina says:

    I wish the az governor would upgrade either senate seat. Compared to obumbkercare supporter and flakey.

  408. Robbie says:

    Tgca says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:19 pm
    401. Disagree. Many accept Trump for his personality and cut him slack as long as he focuses on the right agenda. Obama was personally liked but lost seats for his party due to his agenda and not his personality. Folks see through personality issues and I believe will see through it again as long as the economy is stable and Congress is able to get meaningful legislation passed.

    – The hard core Trump base accepts Trump personality, but that’s about it. Poll after poll shows 60% or more are embarrassed by Trump’s behavior and say he’s not acting presidential.

    Obama lost seats for two reason. First, there was a clear perception among voters that the economy was not improving. Second and maybe most importantly, Democrats were wildly overextended after their big wins in 2006 and 2008. There was always going to be snapback in 2010.

    It’s also important to note Trump will not have a foil like Clinton to run against in 2018. He benefited greatly from that in 2016.

  409. Tgca says:

    Robbie

    We’ll just have to wait and see. I debated many in Sep and Oct 2016 that I thought Trump would win and I was laughed and teased. I put the emotion aside and focused on a few statistical items that he was trending in, and that turned out to be what won him the race. Take the emotion out of it, it distorts rational thinking. To predict with uncertainty that a 2018 wipe out is on the way with no hard evidence is simply emotional analysis. The Dems have real issues of their own that the Indies will never embrace. They know if Dems are elected, impeachment will be their only agenda and I find it hard to believe that’s where indies want to go. Remember, Trump was highly unpopular but many that disliked him went with him over HRC because they knew where Dem win would lead. So again, if the economy is stable and the GOP gets focused and does their job, I think losses will be minimized.

  410. Robbie says:

    From one of the sharpest Republican strategists out there.

    Liam Donovan?
    @LPDonovan

    Pretty clear that in any sort of election that isn’t front & center w/ saturation level attention, Ds outperform bigly in this environment.

  411. Tina says:

    Did Lord butterball do any projectioms?

  412. Phil says:

    The one thing Republicans have going for them in the House is that the Democrats continue to move left. They cannot seem to help themselves. Some of you may recall Democrats recruited several dozen blue dogs, so called “moderates” in their 2006 take over of the House. Anyone remember Heath Schuler? Well, it was a great illusion but once the blue frauds began to actually vote with Nancy Pelosi on things like Obamacare and cap and trade the frauds were absolutely wiped out in 2010 and poof, there went their majority.

    Democratic candidates don’t even bother to mask themselves as moderate anymore and if they try they are no longer believable.

    That’s their roadblock to taking the House. That and Nancy Pelosi as leader is the greatest GOP get out the vote incentive you could ever imagine.

  413. Robbie says:

    Tgca says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:35 pm
    They know if Dems are elected, impeachment will be their only agenda and I find it hard to believe that’s where indies want to go. Remember, Trump was highly unpopular but many that disliked him went with him over HRC because they knew where Dem win would lead. So again, if the economy is stable and the GOP gets focused and does their job, I think losses will be minimized.

    – I think those of us who follow politics daily make the mistake of assuming the average voter makes his or her decision based on the same information we do.

    When voters go to the polls in 2018, it’s going to be a referendum on Trump just as every midterm is a referendum on any president. Impeachment or things like it aren’t going to be on voters mind.

    If voters are mad at Trump and Republicans, they’ll vote for Democrats.

  414. Tina says:

    Moving left and pushing muh russian.

  415. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:38 pm
    Did Lord butterball do any projectioms?

    – Has your boy Jack Posobiec gotten to the bottom of pizzagate?

  416. Tgca says:

    419

    Your emotional analysis is flawed and doesn’t explain the catastrophic turn around in the states due to Obama policies. Every respectable political analysis substantiates that Obama was personally liked but his policies were not. The beating the Dems took under Obama is unprecedented and continued into 2016. The Dems are moving further left and as much as indies don’t like Trump, I just don’t see them voting for Dems where the agenda will be impeachment, transgender rights, re-writing American history, and an all out war on white privilege. That is not a winning agenda and the Dems cannot win without significant indies based on prior mid-term turn out.

  417. Tina says:

    Have you gotten to the vottom of muh russian? Any more fake news from maggie?

  418. Tina says:

    Emotional analysis.

    Lol

  419. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:41 pm
    Moving left and pushing muh russian.

    – I’m going to be interested to see how you react when Paul Manafort (one of Trump’s campaign managers) and Mike Flynn (Trump’s first national security adviser) get indicted due to the Russia investigation. The Twister-like moves you’ll employ to say it doesn’t hurt Trump will be a sight to behold.

  420. Tina says:

    Zzzz, only you care.

  421. Tina says:

    Dooes lord butterball have odds on the indictments?

  422. Robbie says:

    Tgca says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:42 pm
    419

    Your emotional analysis is flawed and doesn’t explain the catastrophic turn around in the states due to Obama policies. Every respectable political analysis substantiates that Obama was personally liked but his policies were not.

    – And in Trump’s case, the polling shows voters don’t like him and they don’t like his policies. Even tax reform isn’t polling well right now.

    The emotional analysis is that offered by the Trump apologists who contort themselves into pretzels defending things they would never defend had Obama done it or any other Republican. Had Jeb, Rubio, Romney, or Kasich cut the deal with Chuck and Nancy that Trump did, the very ones defending Trump would be screaming like banshee about the RINOs.

  423. Tina says:

    Emotional analysis= sjw=safe space.

  424. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:43 pm
    Have you gotten to the vottom of muh russian? Any more fake news from maggie?

    – Bless you heart.

    I haven’t gotten to the bottom of the Russia investigation, but Robert Mueller will. No wonder Trump, according to Axios, is once again considering firing him.

  425. Phil says:

    I don’t know anyone happy about Trump’s dealings with Pelosi or Schumer, least of all me.

  426. Bitterlaw says:

    I think that there is real danger that the GOP could lose 3 Republican Congressman around Philadelphia, including mine (Meehan). Trump won Pennsylvania but he is hated in these districts. I am trying to get Republicans who refused to vote for President in 2016 to at least vote GOP IN 2017 and 2018. Not an easy task.

  427. Tgca says:

    424

    I agree. But you miss my main point that if the economy is stable and the GOP congress gets some significant legislation done, there’s no reason to throw them out. Indies are less emotional voters than the extremes on both sides and they know what the alternative is if they throw out the GOP simply because they don’t like Trumps tweets. They are not fickle. Remember, Trump was not wildly popular with the indys at but they help put him over the top by hiding their nose and pulling the lever for him, especially men, who I believe are still behind him.

  428. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:50 pm
    I don’t know anyone happy about Trump’s dealings with Pelosi or Schumer, least of all me.

    – I know of several prominent “conservatives” who supported Trump’s decision. Laura Ingraham was happy with it and Rush supported it as well. In fact, Laura was on Special Report tonight saying Trump was creating a new Republican/Democrat populist majority.

  429. Phil says:

    We can easily lose on seat here in Texas – the one in the El Paso section of the state.

  430. Phil says:

    Then Ingraham is a total fool. Wait, she’s the one who used to date Keith Obbermman. Let me amend that – she IS definitely a fool.

  431. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:45 pm
    Zzzz, only you care.

    – For months and months, you said there was no contact and no collusion so the investigation was a waste of time.

    Then when Don Jr released his emails showing he met with Russians, you suddenly moved the goalposts from “there’s no collusion” to “collusion isn’t against the law so who cares”.

    Clearly, you care or you wouldn’t spend so much time trying to discredit an investigation that’s got Trump very concerned.

  432. Phil says:

    As far as Rush goes I never understood his fascination with Trump throughout the primaries.

  433. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:56 pm
    Then Ingraham is a total fool. Wait, she’s the one who used to date Keith Obbermman. Let me amend that – she IS definitely a fool.

    – Lauara Ingraham is a nasty piece of work and a shameless self promoting fraud, but she never dated Olberman. Katy Tur dated Olberman.

  434. Phil says:

    Also, with regards to Rush, whenever I catch Rush’s show he readily admits Trump has no conservative ideology – and seems fine with it.

    I have no idea why.

  435. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    September 12, 2017 at 10:57 pm
    As far as Rush goes I never understood his fascination with Trump throughout the primaries.

    – Some time ago, my guess is when McCain won the primary and Obama won, Rush found that conservatism was no longer a motivating factor for the base. Anger was the motivating factor. So when Trump came along and mobilized and coalesced the hate of the base, Rush decided to go where his listeners were rather than lead.

  436. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    September 12, 2017 at 11:00 pm
    Also, with regards to Rush, whenever I catch Rush’s show he readily admits Trump has no conservative ideology – and seems fine with it.

    I have no idea why.

    – He knows his listeners are with Trump and he wants to be where they are. The days of him leading his listeners is long gone.

    In other words, if you can’t beat them, join them.

  437. Tgca says:

    The Mueller investigation is damaged. Half the country will favor the results, half will not. Mueller’s already damaged his reputation by his approach and the leaks. Big deal if Flynn and Manafort get nailed for some shady business deals that happened before Trump hired them. It goes with the territory. Look how many Clinton folks got busted. Most will see it as political as it was with Scooter Libby. These are not of great interest to most Americans. Remember, there is no crime on a Trumps part. …and now Comey may have misled Congress and they want him back to testify. My gut feeling is Mueller will trade off to save Comey, or there could be a separate independent counsel to investigate Comey.

  438. Phil says:

    She absolutely dated him long before Tur.

  439. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    430. – “I’m going to be interested to see how you react when Paul Manafort (one of Trump’s campaign managers) and Mike Flynn (Trump’s first national security adviser) get indicted due to the Russia investigation.”

    By what authority do you base this claim upon? What is your source?

  440. Phil says:

    …dated the Torch Democratic senator from NJ as well.

    Likes lefties in the sack, apparently.

  441. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    September 12, 2017 at 11:02 pm
    She absolutely dated him long before Tur.

    – Wow. That’s news to me.

  442. Phil says:

    google it, Robbie – it blew me away as well.

    I wasn’t aware of Tur and Olbermann until you just mentioned it. That one makes sense.

  443. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    September 12, 2017 at 11:03 pm
    430. – “I’m going to be interested to see how you react when Paul Manafort (one of Trump’s campaign managers) and Mike Flynn (Trump’s first national security adviser) get indicted due to the Russia investigation.”

    By what authority do you base this claim upon? What is your source?

    – Have you not been following the news? It’s quite clear Mueller has those two squarely in his sights.

  444. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    September 12, 2017 at 11:06 pm
    google it, Robbie – it blew me away as well.

    I wasn’t aware of Tur and Olbermann until you just mentioned it. That one makes sense.

    – Just did. Dumbfounded. Genuinely dumbfounded.

  445. Tgca says:

    454

    Like many thought Comey had Clinton squarely in his sight? Also, it’s not hard to get an indictment of a GOP guy in DC. But getting a conviction is something else. Also, convicting on failing to file as foreign lobbyist? Or nit disclosing all income on government disclosure? Really? That will definitely bring down Trump and send them to prison for decades. Sorry, it’s absurd if that’s all they have.

    As the old saying goes, a good prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich.

  446. Phil says:

    ….and don’t forget our friend Ann Coulter. Pushed Trump on everyone in the primaries. Now that he’s in she hates the guy. Oh yeah, she’s BIG buds with Bill Maher.

    Nuts. Sometimes I think we’re just getting played for book sales.

  447. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    401. “Republicans are in big trouble for 2018 and it’s because of Trump.”

    Robbie, given your disastrous record of predicting the 2016 election results, do you really think anyone takes you seriously? Your posts are a monotonous stream of attacks on Trump. Its like a broken record.

  448. Tgca says:

    Big deal who Laura bangs. Did anyone care when Mary Matalin was banging James Carville in the middle of an election? Interesting trivia but unimportant as to a person’s political substance.

  449. Tina says:

    Correction, it has you the loon concerned.

  450. Tina says:

    Shh, do not memtion any bush bots. They are free to bang whimever they want to bang, as long as they are bushies

  451. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    454. – “Have you not been following the news? It’s quite clear Mueller has those two squarely in his sights.”

    That is your assumption, you stated it as an actual fact.

  452. Tina says:

    Robbie says:
    September 12, 2017 at 11:07 pm
    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    September 12, 2017 at 11:03 pm
    430. – “I’m going to be interested to see how you react when Paul Manafort (one of Trump’s campaign managers) and Mike Flynn (Trump’s first national security adviser) get indicted due to the Russia investigation.”

    By what authority do you base this claim upon? What is your source?

    – Have you not been following the news? It’s quite clear Mueller has those two squarely in his sights.

    Lol, sourced by the amazon compost.

  453. Tina says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/bad-news-paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-68-gop-voters-want-leadership/

    68 percent of rs want new leadership.

    Tired of the weak mitchie and daca ryano.

  454. Phil says:

    Yeah, but Olbermann isn’t just a Democrat. He’s THE absolute king of the moonbat loons.

    Just plain weird.

  455. Tgca says:

    Well, I take pride in calling every election correctly since Reagan, when I wasn’t even old enough to vote, though my preferred candidate did not always win so I demand some respect here GODDAMMIT!!!

    Enough with this emotional analysis. Be calm, measure trends, look for anomalies, and employ logic and reason when all else fails. If that doesn’t work, then just FREAK OUT!!!

  456. Tina says:

    We have bitterlaw

    We have bitter hillary.

    We have campari.

  457. lisab says:

    opposites attract, so long as you respect each other

    it can be rather humorous at times

    source: married to an evangelical dairy farmer’s son … i’m a massachusetts vegatarian

  458. Tina says:

    Are you saying bitter law and bitter hillary attract?

  459. lisab says:

    for example, apparently you do not grow cows

    you raise them …

    because … reasons …

  460. lisab says:

    and cow farms have manure ponds

    because … reasons

  461. lisab says:

    oh and cows from other countries have different accents … french cows le moooooooo for example

    of course … they may not have been telling the city girl the truth

  462. Bitterlaw says:

    I would not say that I am attracted to Hillary. However, she does cut a fine heavy figure in a pantsuit.

  463. Bitterlaw says:

    This is why I don’t like Type 2 Diabetics.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4879464/Type-2-diabetes-reversible.html

    I could eat a healthy diet every day and my Type 1 diabetes is with me until the day I die.

  464. wvally says:

    Oh dear… what will they try next?

    Teflon Don confounds Democrats
    Democrats have attacked the president every which way, but polling and focus groups show none of it’s working

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/13/teflon-trump-democrats-messaging-242607

  465. wvally says:

    I think Hillary is pretty. Crazy, but pretty.

  466. Trump says:

    “Actual republican AND a conservative” morons hardest hit.

    “66% of Likely U.S. Voters say it is good for the country if Trump works with congressional Democrats to advance his agenda.”

    “Only 19% believe the president should continue to rely on congressional Republicans to pass his agenda. That’s down from 29% in early April. Sixty-five percent (65%) now feel he should reach out more to Democrats in Congress for help versus 58% who felt that way five months ago.

  467. Trump says:

    It seems actual Republicans are realizing how corrupt and useless POS t heir leaders are.

    “Republicans (72%) are even more enthusiastic about the president working with congressional Democrats than Democrats (62%) and voters not affiliated with either major party (63%) are.”

  468. Tina says:

    Charlie Spiering @charliespiering
    ·
    Sep 12
    Hillary says Sen. John McCain gave her a hug at Trump’s inauguration — “He seemed nearly as distraught as I was.” she writes

    As distraught as the jebots?

  469. Phil says:

    Well, Hillary and McCain kind of deserve each other.

  470. Trump says:

    McCain is a backstabbing grandstanding twit whose driving force is his massive hurt from his rejection by voters.

  471. Trump says:

    The only time anyone pays attention to McCain is when he is stabbing Republicans.

    Nobody cares what he does at other times, he becomes the non-entity that he actually is.

  472. Trump says:

    At all other times, he might as well be Luthar Strange.

  473. Cash Cow TM says:

    In response to the many cell phone text messages, FB instant messages, phone calls and telegrams I will give an update on Walt since the baptizing of the skunk.

    The critter still living in the hole is a groundhog (son set up trail cam to verify what it was).

    Son unilaterally decided to dig up the G-Hog hole and ended up digging trench through the fenced in garden that is 12 feet long. even though it extends at least another 8 feet, son finally stopped digging. Measures have been put in place to eradicate the G-hog.
    ***********************************
    Walt and son painted two hallways (that included painting 6 door. Have one more hallway to do today. Prior to that while searching for paint, Walt actually discarded 9 partial gallons of dead paint he had stored in the garage and bulled another garbage can full of crap grass.
    *******************************
    Walt came in 2nd at Bridge and won $3.
    He offered to take the wife out to dinner.
    **********************
    Sunday and Monday, Walt has been to 2 benefit dinners and spoke at a Public Service Commission hearing to support sale of a coal fired power plant in WV from one energy provider to another. That did not go over well with the throng of enviros who were at the meeting to voice opposition. (Walt did not tell them GFY, but did think it in his mind.)

  474. Cash Cow TM says:

    So…in Maryland, the City of College Park has passed a measure to allow non-citizens to vote in city elections, as long as the alien has a green card.

    Huge number of moon bats still livid that the right to vote is still denied to illegal aliens who don’t have a green card.

    And what is the name of that city in New England/New York that allows the each vote of non-citizens (or Hispanics or some such) to count as 5 votes…?

    GOD HELP US ALL!

  475. Bitterlaw says:

    We now know the real killer of the dinosaurs. It was Walt. They messed with his garden.

  476. Jonesy says:

    Former US Senator of NM, Pete Demonci has passed away.

    RIP

  477. Jonesy says:

    I see Robbie made a fool of himself last night, once again, over irrelevant state House seats. What a doofus

  478. Phil says:

    Hillary on the View now. The “ladies” on the show are practically licking her all over her bloated body. LOL Have the volume on mute and Hillary never sounded so good. LOL Ok, enough. Turned over to a rerun of Wheel of Fortune. Vanna White. Much better!

  479. Bitterlaw says:

    The “ladies” on the show are practically licking her all over her bloated body.

    Damn it, Phil. I can never unread that sentence.

  480. GPO says:

    Republican Arizona Senate contender Kelli Ward may be flailing in her bid to oust Sen. Jeff Flake next year.

    According to Republicans with knowledge of Trumpite plans to oust Flake, efforts are now seriously afoot to recruit a more plausible contender into the race, with Ward having been deemed a “nut job” by some Flake critics.

    To date, that perception has mostly existed among #nevertrump Republicans and groups like the Senate Leadership Fund, who mostly fear Ward ending up in the Senate rather than Flake remaining.

    Earlier this year, Trump made positive noises about Ward. However, a first indicator that her levels of support in Trumpite circles might be slipping came with August’s Arizona rally at which Trump failed to boost her directly and she was given less than star treatment by the President. Rumors first then surfaced that Trumpworld might be shopping for a different opponent.

  481. GPO says:

    Ditto # 490

  482. Jonesy says:

    Thanks for the info on AZ, GPO. There is more to it though. The big hitters like Franks are looking at McCain’s seat instead

  483. Jonesy says:

    Funny how the Hillary fan club, never remembers that she got her butt kicked by a Freshman Senator 8 years before.

  484. Trump says:

    “Congress Passes Measure Calling for Trump to Denounce Hate Groups”

    I agree. Trump should denounce Congress.

  485. Tgca says:

    #476

    Hilary is pretty?

    I agree!
    Pretty corrupt.
    Pretty greedy.
    Pretty power hungry.
    Pretty clueless about what America wants and needs.
    Pretty much lies about everything.
    Pretty big booty.

  486. Jonesy says:

    Pretty much a has been

  487. Bitterlaw says:

    Diamond Jim is just waiting.

  488. Bitterlaw says:

    Let’s not leave Diamond Jim hanging.

    D

  489. JulStol says:

    Score.

  490. Bitterlaw says:

    Sorry, Jul. You did not post “D.”

    I hope all is well with you and the cats.

  491. Robbie says:

    I thought Tina said the Russia investigation was winding down? NBC reports Mike Flynn Jr. is now a subject of the Russia investigation. Bad news for Flynn Jr.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-s-son-subject-federal-russia-probe-n800741

  492. Cash Cow TM says:

    As U.S. Economy Improves, Cities May Be Headed for Another Downturn

    Another failure of Bush…or is it Trump?

    http://www.governing.com/topics/finance/gov-nlc-cities-recession-finances-economy.html

  493. Cash Cow TM says:

    As U.S. Economy Improves, Cities May Be Headed for Another Downturn

    Another failure of Bush…or is it Trump?

    http://www.governing.com/topics/finance/gov-nlc-cities-recession-finances-economy.html

  494. Tina says:

    Real conservatives love hillary.

  495. Cash Cow TM says:

    BREAKING

    Walt has now pulled off the painters tape, put things back together and hung all the pictures and mirrors in the two upstairs hallways.

    He has now removed two doors, a smoke detector, a ceiling fixture and pulled 37 nails from the wall and wiped the wall and ceiling down to prepare to paint the downstairs hall.

    RIVITING!

  496. Cash Cow TM says:

    …and in other big city (values) news on DRUDGE…at least 11 city mayors in trouble for child s.e.x and child p0rn charges.

    Dave W. / Hal will not let me link the article.

  497. NYCmike says:

    Oh boy……trouble…..Mike Flynn Jr is being investigated!

  498. Tina says:

    Who,is mike flynn jr?

  499. NYCmike says:

    A VIP.

    Not the VP.

    XYZ by FBI n CIA 4 MSM

  500. Tina says:

    Mueller is also targeting facebook. Oh no, he is going after the leading drat candidate for 2020, zuckerberg.

  501. Wes says:

    I see GPO made Mikey and his Deadender buddies sad by pointing out Chemtrail Kelli–their pick to lose Jeff Flake’s seat and help Chuck Schumer become Senate Majority Leader–has lost any remaining sliver of credibility and will be brushed aside in favor of an actually viable candidate.

  502. NYCmike says:

    Your losin’ it, Wes.

    Go get married, maybe that woman/MOM can smack some sense into you.

  503. Wes says:

    On the other hand, Mikey and the other Deadenders will be glad to know the worst possible Republican available for Senate in Virginia is likely to be Tim Kaine’s opponent:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/after-near-miss-in-va-governors-race-corey-stewart-announces-bid-against-sen-tim-kaine-in-2018/2017/07/12/17e9fcf2-6719-11e7-9928-22d00a47778f_story.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.a29fa1e7bb7f

  504. Wes says:

    I’m just highlighting your love affair with incompentent GOP candidates. If you didn’t want Schumer to become Majority Leader, what exactly would you do differently from defending this gaggle of morons?

  505. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    The only love affair I have is for my wife, and my family, and some friends.

    Trillion$ in unfunded liabilities perpetrated by the men and women you defend as if they have a birthright.

    I don’t agree with that approach.

    My way isn’t perfect, but your way is, to be nice, less than adequate. Maybe if we ALL demanded accountability out of these representatives we could make some headway.

  506. Wes says:

    In other words, Mikey, we demand accountability by putting forward unelectable gaffe machines such as the following:

    Sharron Angle
    The pre-2014 incarnation of Ken Buck
    Christine O’Donnell
    Dick the Misogynist Bastard Mourdock
    Todd “Fake Rape” Akin
    The 2014 incarnation of Matt Bevin
    Rob Maness
    Annette Bosworth
    Lee Bright
    Milton “Josef Mengele” Wolfe
    Steve Stockman
    A. J. Spiker
    Sharron Angle (again)
    Aaron Day

    When left-wing Democrats win, blow holes a few gigaparsecs wide in the budget, push through Obamacare and other leftist legislation, and make more people dependent on their party because of these buffoons, how exactly are we winning anything here?

  507. Wes says:

    Hm. Defending people as if they have a birthright…

    Obviously you’ve never read my posts about the most entitled family in American politics–the Bushes–Mikey. You really should try to keep up in the future.

    Also, I’ve recently said Jeff Flake needs to go because he’s made himself unelectable. DeWit should be the nominee.

    I have, however, criticized Danny Tarkanian’s primary challenge to Dean Heller since Heller is largely in step with his state and will need as clear a primary field as possible to avoid a repeat of the Abdnor-Daschle race of 1986.

    Tarkanian is a spoiled perennial loser with a mountain of financial and mortgage problems Dems will be incredibly eager to exploit while Heller has nothing automatically disqualifying in his background.

    Go ahead and keep supporting Tarkanian though. You can cheer when Schumer become Majority Leader and tell all your New York cocktail buddies how you made the GOP buy your BS about accountability so Dems could retake the Senate.

  508. Phil says:

    Oh hell, don’t tell me Tarkanian is running again.

    My favorite dead ender of all time, however is Buck in Colorado. Jane Norton had that senate seat locked down and we ended up with one of the biggest lefties in the senate in Bennett- for two terms mind you.

  509. Phil says:

    Of course, Akin is up there too. Claire had to work like hell to help get him nominated.

  510. wvally says:

    I know nothing about Kelli Ward other than what I’ve read on HHR. But after repeatedly hearing her called “chemtrail Kelli” here, I decided to look her up to find out what exactly she has to do with chemtrails. This was my first hit:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/09/05/no-kelli-ward-doesnt-believe-in-the-chemtrail-conspiracy-theory/?utm_term=.1d009762fbcc

    The article says that constituents in her district were worked up in a lather over chemtrails and continually contacting her about them, and she set up a town hall and brought in state environmental officials to assure people there was no chemtrail conspiracy or threat to their health.

    Honestly it seems like McCain took the situation out of context to make an ad about her which was misleading.

    I’m assuming Wes that Dr. Ward must have particular positions and temperament issues that make her clearly unelectable in your judgement, which I’m not disputing. But the chemtrail thing seems unfair.

  511. wvally says:

    But I get it, Wes. You’re frustrated with many lost senate races that could have been won with different candidates.

  512. Tina says:

    Clinton said in an interview with USA Today Monday she’s “convinced” there was collusion between Trump associates and Russia.

    “There certainly was communication and there certainly was an understanding of some sort,” she said.

    Jebots concur.

    Jebots follow mama thighnes.

  513. NYCmike says:

    wvally,

    We are ALL frustrated with lost Senate races.

    The issue is only SOME are frustrated with bills from Congress continuing to be leaning more to the liberal end of the spectrum, and being pushed along by incumbents that ran as conservatives and/or Republicans.

  514. Tgca says:

    #512

    FBI and CIA are investigating guys for MSM ads? This is just wrong and so homophobic. Gay men should not be targeted for seeking to meet other gay men through personal ads. How else are we supposed to make friends. I hate going to the park and rest stops at night so MSM ads are a good alternative. Too dark and I always forget batteries for the flashlight.

  515. NYCmike says:

    I read much the same thing about Ward, but that is one more issue where Wes does NOT want the citizens of Arizona to have a choice. He wants Flake’s primary opponent to be chosen by a few people.

    And, as I have said many times already since Ward spoke about getting into this race, I ONLY approve of her Right to run. I have not expressed the opinion that I WANT and/or NEED her to win. If DeWit wins, so be it.

    ALL I want is the most conservative candidate who can win the general election.

  516. NYCmike says:

    “Go ahead and keep supporting Tarkanian though. ”

    -I DON’T support Tarkanian.

    BUT, I do support the RIGHT of any individual to run in a primary if they abide by the laws of their state, or the rules of the party.

    If you want to change the rules in Nevada to that convention-nominating-type-of-deal that Utah had, let’s look into the legal way to do that, and see if a majority of Nevada Republicans agree with you.

  517. NYCmike says:

    The more Wes lies about whom I support, the less he speaks about his wedding………….I hope everything is OK, since there is another child in the mix.

  518. Phil says:

    I wish McSally would run in Arizona. We’d get rid of Flake and keep the seat.

  519. lisab says:

    Black Lives Matter protesters in Charlottesville shroud Thomas Jefferson statue

  520. lisab says:

    Hillary says Sen. John McCain gave her a hug at Trump’s inauguration — “He seemed nearly as distraught as I was.” she writes
    —————————

    he had reason

    i am no john mccain fan

    but trump did insult him. mccain deserved to be put in his place, but trump should not have gone after him for being a pow

    mccain did everything we could have asked of him and more as a pow

  521. Tgca says:

    I agree Mac did everything he could as a POW and gave up so much for his country. No one can ever take that away from him and for that, he deserves great respect and admiration. But so did hundreds of thousands of others in our wars, many paying dearly with their lives so we must keep that in context, and unfortunately some who came back to us did not behave so honorably in society.

    I do not believe being a war hero or pow gives you a pass on being criticized for bad behavior though, and I believe many try to do that with Mac. He has benefited enormously from his father’s influence and war service, so though I do not say that it’s even Stevens, I still believe war records and how one acts in life can be mutually exclusive.

    I do not trust Mac nor do I respect him as a politician for a long time now. I believe him to be a combative, bitter, vindictive, and unreliable when it comes to doing the right thing and his personal political record, as wth many politicians, have had some questionable and ethical instances that are fair game for review by his critics. But questioning his military service should not be one, in my opinion.

    But as a pow and soldier, I will forever thank him for his service to his country, as I would for any military person in that capacity, and pray for his peace as I know that is a strong burden to carry from his war experiences.

    Mac, like all of us, should be judged on his entire contribution as a human being. Some great things, some not.

  522. lisab says:

    that is what trump should have said,

    not

    “i like pilots who were not captured”

  523. wvally says:

    Long family text convo started by my brother today about welfare. He had linked to this interview with Thomas Sowell about his book “race and intellectuals”

    https://youtu.be/H6ImP-gJvas

    So the discussion centers around whether welfare state is a driver of poverty, which sister begrudgingly comes around to. She ends up saying welfare should be scaled back, but only after reforms in other areas.

    What reforms you ask?

    Free college and free healthcare.

    Oy. Why am I having this conversation again?

  524. lisab says:

    Why am I having this conversation again?
    ——————————————–

    because a substantial number of people have much less than you do and far fewer opportunities

  525. lisab says:

    Big Oil Companies Linked to Big Chunk of Climate Change Effects: Study

    In the wake of hurricanes Harvey and Irma and the billions of dollars that taxpayers are going to shell out to rebuild Houston and South Florida, the new study gained some context. It’s accepted science that warmer waters fuel bigger hurricanes, and the great majority of scientists acknowledge that greenhouse gases, principally carbon dioxide, are making the planet warmer.
    The study, authored by Peter Frumhoff, Ph.D., chief climate scientist with the Union of Concerned Scientists, links climate change with specific fossil energy companies.
    IOC Makes It Official: LA Set to Host 2028 Olympics
    “The largest being Exxon Mobil, Chevron, BP and others; nearly a third of the rise in global sea level can be attributed to the emissions from these same companies,” Frumhoff said.

    Source: Big Oil Companies Linked to Big Chunk of Climate Change Effects: Study – NBC Bay Area http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Big-Oil-Companies-Linked-to–444079143.html#ixzz4sbSATQ5i
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  526. wvally says:

    I wasn’t arguing for welfare to be cut back. Just saying implementation of “great society” was a disaster. Can’t put toothpaste back in the tube.

  527. lisab says:

    Just saying implementation of “great society” was a disaster.
    —————————-

    it did not eliminate poverty, which was the goal

    but …

    had it not been implemented you do not know what the results would be today.

  528. wvally says:

    I think there is good evidence that it dis-incentivized wedlock and increased poverty.

  529. lisab says:

    also, eliminating poverty is a laudable goal

    why are the dems chasing after the last 1000 or so kkk members instead of trying to eliminate poverty and the evils which come from it?

    (hint: because that would be difficult and require effort and would not be as fun as rioting and throwing stuff at police)

  530. lisab says:

    I think there is good evidence that it dis-incentivized wedlock and increased poverty.
    ——————————————–

    since you cannot go back and try a different scheme, you will never know.

    The Great Society At 50; Yes, It Has Abolished Poverty

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/05/22/the-great-society-at-50-yes-it-has-abolished-poverty/#2f3f1ca05927

  531. lisab says:

    Candice Aiston?
    @CandiceAiston

    Candice Aiston Retweeted Dave
    We know why we lost. Mediocre white men are afraid that equality for women and POC means they’ll have to actually work hard.

  532. Diamond Jim says:

    Can’t put toothpaste back in the tube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZu0lxTh0t8

  533. wvally says:

    From the original Nick Eberstadt article in the Weekly Standard, the original source for author of the Forbes article linked above:

    So the long War on Poverty has indeed managed to eradicate 1960s-style poverty from our midst, or very nearly so?—?even if our federal authorities today are not competent to describe this accomplishment (or, seemingly, even recognize the accomplishment in the first place). This is an important fact in favor of the War on Poverty?—?but other important facts must be considered as well, all seemingly weighing on the other side of the ledger. For the institutionalization of antipoverty policy has been attended by the rise and spread of an ominous “tangle of pathologies” in the society whose ills antipoverty policies were intended to heal. Those pathologies appear to be conjoined with antipoverty policies; in some cases, antipoverty policies may possibly create them, but irrespective of the causality at work, they are clearly very largely financed today by antipoverty policies…

    the actual unfolding of America’s domestic antipoverty policies can be seen only as a tragic failure. Dependence on government relief, in its many modern versions, is more widespread today, and possibly also more habitual, than at any time in our history. To make matters much worse, such aid has become integral to financing lifestyles and behavioral patterns plainly destructive to our commonwealth?—?and on a scale far vaster than could have been imagined in an era before such antipoverty aid was all but unconditionally available.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-great-society-at-fifty/article/791175

    ***

    If poverty is defined as lack of ability to buy goods, then yes absolute poverty has decreased. People with SNAP can buy food, among other things. No one is literally starving to death. But if poverty is defined by lifestyle (decrepit housing, drug dependence, poor education, poor diet), then in my estimation poverty has greatly increased.

  534. wvally says:

    Damn DJ got me there.

  535. lisab says:

    If poverty is defined as lack of ability to buy goods, then yes absolute poverty has decreased. People with SNAP can buy food, among other things. No one is literally starving to death. But if poverty is defined by lifestyle (decrepit housing, drug dependence, poor education, poor diet), then in my estimation poverty has greatly increased.
    ———————————————
    decrepit housing: compared to yours perhaps, but far better than it has been in the past. people just do not remember the past

    drug dependence: certainly drug use is becoming a problem. i agree with you there.

    poor education: far more people are literate today than 50 years ago

    poor diet: well, they actually have food now, so a poor diet is better than no food at all

  536. lisab says:

    If poverty is defined as lack of ability to buy goods, then yes absolute poverty has decreased.
    —————————-

    which is mostly how poverty should be defined. i would change it to:

    lack of ability to buy the goods you want or need

  537. NYCmike says:

    My father always says, “when we were young, we were poor. BUT YOUR MOTHER, she was really POOR!”

    Then my Mom usually says “I was NEVER POOR! My Mom cooked every night, and my Father would read us all stories, or we would listen to the radio together.”

    Her and her 6 sisters shared 1 bedroom, and her one brother shared the living room with the 2 parents.

    My MOM always says it was the BEST childhood she could think of!

    In the United States, poverty is a state of mind. There is simply too much opportunity for anyone willing to work their ass off.

  538. NYCmike says:

    “because a substantial number of people have much less than you do and far fewer opportunities”

    -There are too many stories of people with absolutely NOTHING being able to work to GET MORE STUFF AND MORE OPPORTUNITIES that I totally disagree with this statement.

    And again, I have seen it with my own eyes, employing people throughout the years.

    Those who PUT themselves OUT, got a heck of a lot more opportunities than those who did NOT!

  539. lisab says:

    Candice Aiston?
    @CandiceAiston

    We were entitled to your vote. Women, POC, LGBTQ, disabled, immigrants, Muslims. We were entitled to your vote, you sniveling dipsht.

  540. lisab says:

    The post wasn’t about criticizing Democrats. It was about voting in the general election. If you didn’t vote Hillary, you’re a piece of sht

  541. lisab says:

    Candice Aiston? @CandiceAiston Sep 12
    More
    To clarify, I mean that marginalized people are ENTITLED to your vote to protect them. This is only for people who have morals.

  542. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    540. “In the wake of hurricanes Harvey and Irma and the billions of dollars that taxpayers are going to shell out to rebuild Houston and South Florida, the new study gained some context. It’s accepted science that warmer waters fuel bigger hurricanes, and the great majority.”

    Really? You realize there have been major hurricanes hitting Texas and Florida for all of recorded history? Florida got slammed by major hurricanes in the 20th century in 1919, 1926, 1928, 1935 (the hurricane with the highest landfall pressure ever recorded), 1948, 1992. Galveston, Texas got wiped out in 1900 and 1915; Indianola, Texas wiped out in 1886.

    Probably more people died from hurricanes in the 1700s than the succeeding centuries; whole fleets were sunk during the Revolutionary War.

    Hurricanes have been happening for centuries, the fact climate alarmist have to make bogus claims about them just shows how weak their theories are.

  543. lisab says:

    Those who PUT themselves OUT, got a heck of a lot more opportunities than those who did NOT!
    ——————————————

    which in no way changes the fact that you probably have more opportunities and wealth than most

    and thus welfare will continue to be an issue since you will likely be the one paying for it

  544. NYCmike says:

    When Katrina happened, there was some TV personality who mentioned three things people need to do to avoid “poverty”. I think they were:

    1. Graduate from high school.

    2. Do not have children out of wedlock

    3. Do not get married before turning 21,and then stay married.

  545. lisab says:

    Really? You realize there have been major hurricanes hitting Texas and Florida for all of recorded history?
    ————————-

    i did not write the article … well actually it is a tv broadcast

    go watch the clip, i did link it

  546. Cash Cow TM says:

    poverty

    very top

  547. lisab says:

    When Katrina happened, there was some TV personality who mentioned three things people need to do to avoid “poverty”. 1, 2, 3
    ———————————

    1 & 2 are certainly great advice and 3 usually is good advice

    but … that does not help people who are currently in poverty

  548. janz says:

    SD, when you put hurricanes in the context of a region’s weather history, it puts more factual perspective into the global warming debate. Somehow, though, warmists live on momentary hype, emotion and finger-pointing to those who dare submit contrary evidence.

    Anyway, I enjoyed reading your straight forward post.

  549. Tgca says:

    #552

    I disagree in part. Though there is ample opportunity in the US, not everyone has equal access to that opportunity. Take this example, a kid grows up with no dad and a junkie mom in the ghetto. She has no one there to teach her values, respect, self-esteem, watch over her daily, make sure she eats right, learns how to communicate with others in a rationale manner, or get an education. She is preyed upon by neighborhood thugs, primps, and geezers, she has no one to protect her, she is sexually abused and assaulted, she’s pregnant at 14, a school drop out, no skills, angry, unhappy, unloved, and somehow she is supposed to rise above it all to become a productive citizen by pulling herself up by the bootstraps though she has impaired learning and reasoning abilities?

    This is what life is like for some in the deep ghettos. I know. I grew up in the slums of Newark and saw many that experienced a number of these abuses. I experienced some of these myself but clearly not all. I was lucky, many I knew were not. I knew kids that ended up in jail for murder, and some were murdered. Life is not always as sweet as people think because it depends on your home life. Being poor is one thing. Being poor and severely abused all your life is another.

  550. lisab says:

    trump cancelled the paris accrods

    an we got hit by two hurricanes … after not getting hit at all during obama’s presidency …

    coicidence?!!!!

  551. Tgca says:

    I tell people to see the movie Precious. I could totally relate to that poor girl. Luckily, in that movie, there’s somewhat of a rainbow at the end where the girl gets needed help because some take the time to care and help. But that’s the movies. Not all get that mentor or savior. Some just continue until they self-destruct or die. That’s the reality of it for many.

  552. lisab says:

    “I tell people to see the movie Precious.”

    i tell people to see the movie pride and prejudice.

    just marry a mr. darcy and be a wealthy trophy wife

  553. Tgca says:

    #567

    I have no problem marrying Darcy and being a trophy husband but I ain’t dressing in drag or doing any gender re-assignment. Uh-uh! No way! Absolutely not!

  554. janz says:

    IMO, the way out of “poverty” is opportunity.

    Such opportunity germinates from: 1) an expanding economy supplying worthy jobs; 2)an educational system enticing students to want to learn, applying their knowledge to a career or skill they can turn into self-supporting employment; 3) a social fabric encouraging common ground, equal consideration to all, and positive values, rather than promoting divisive identity politics and cultural schisms.

  555. lisab says:

    you don’t have to get gender reassignment

    just be fabulous!

    as a trophy wife, that’s your job …

    24/7/365

  556. Tgca says:

    24/77/365?

    Uh, I need some me time too.

  557. Bitterlaw says:

    Jefferson was a Founding Father and a patriot. He was also a slave-owning pedophile. Both are true. We all know it. Leave the statues and monuments alone.

  558. Tgca says:

    569

    I agree for the most part that opportunity is the way out of poverty, but not everyone has equal or reasonable access. That’s what many don’t understand. Being trapped in the ghetto for some is like being trapped in North Korea. There is no hope or realistic chance of escape. Having sone helpful family or support structure is crucial to access opportunity.

  559. Bitterlaw says:

    Pride and Prejudice and Zombies is better:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF3wG22TEEE

  560. janz says:

    #552 My son’s girlfriend is a social worker assigned to one of the poorest, most challenging areas in Los Angeles. The stories he discusses with us, regarding her “clients,” are stark, reflecting the same kind of circumstances you described.

    However, as dire as it seems, you have to start somewhere. And, I think the structure, dignity and meaning of a job is an important step leading to better, more beneficial behavioral patterns than just hanging out and waiting for “the check” to arrive.

  561. Bitterlaw says:

    Christine O’Donnell is the greatest Deadender of all time. She defeated a Republican who had never lost a race in Delaware (he was so formidable that Joe Biden’s son passed on the Senate race). She was the only candidate who had to defend herself against accusations of witchcraft. She lost to Chris Coons – a man so dull and unimpressive that he made Joe Biden look stately and accomplished.

  562. janz says:

    ” Having sone helpful family or support structure is crucial to access opportunity.”

    tgca, you’re definitely right about that!

    On more thing, there is no “one size fits all,” in problem-solving the by-products of poverty. You can have identical awful circumstances facing people, and one will somehow make their way out, and the other will sink into deeper problems.

  563. Tgca says:

    #575

    Not everyone can start somewhere as some have not developed emotionally, intellectually, or socially to work in an environment that would hire them. We would not tell a quadriplegic to get over it and get a job so it is reasonable not to tell some extremely undeveloped emotionally, intellectually, and behaviorally to start somewhere. There needs to be intervention and help by others to get some to a starting point where they can realistically relate to others. …and sometimes they can’t get to that point by themselves. These are the worst of the worst, and they exist, and some do not have one person who cares enough to help.

  564. Tgca says:

    577

    True that different folks in the same circumstance can have different outcomes but we don’t know if that is within their control or whether they have some genetic propensity to such salvation. I grew up in a house where I was never in trouble with the law but 2 sibling brothers both spent time in prison when younger. How is that possible? Who knows how environment impacts brain chemistry and how people react. It’s a mystery no one can figure out and I’m not about to judge others and say simply because I did not succumb to the same fate that I consciously chose it. I don’t know the answer.

  565. Tina says:

    Any muh russian news?

  566. Tgca says:

    Yes Tina, Clinton claims she was robbed of her coronation and the ladies of the View agree.

  567. janz says:

    tgca, I wasn’t judging another’s efforts, but simply reflecting how life plays out for people given the same load to carry. I don’t attempt to know why that is, other than it’s a frequent occurrence and frankly is something that interests me.

    I’ve seen the same thing in nursing, where you have similar patients suffering from similar medical problems — one recovers and the other dies.

    Life is a mystery.

    BTW, I think your comments are very astute.

  568. Tina says:

    Thanks tg, hope your home is coming along.

  569. janz says:

    Democrat Party Smears Neil Gorsuch as a Bigot.

    “It has been a long time since I have been a fan of the Democratic Party. But the hate speech to which the Democrats–not a few renegade party members, but the Democratic Party itself–now resort, is utterly beyond the pale. The leaders of the Democratic Party must understand that the wild charges they fling against people like Neil Gorsuch are not just false, but crazy. But they don’t care: power is their sole object.

    We are living through a sad epoch in the history of our republic.”

    Everyday, there only seems to be more “sad” episodes to add to the laundry list of dem hubris.

  570. Tgca says:

    582

    I was not implying anyone here was judgmental. I’ve never known anyone on HHR to be judgmental in the 12 or 14 years or whatever it has been I’ve been coming here. 🙂

    I was speaking in general that many just think to get out poverty you just focus, work hard, and success will come. I’m caveating that some cases require special treatment because not every situation is responsive to that simplified solution that can work for so many. It’s like saying because Michael Jordan or Bill Gates achieved what they did, then so can anyone else. That’s too simple to me to ring true.

  571. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca is one deep gay man.

  572. Tgca says:

    583 Tina

    My home is fine. My yard was devastated but all clean now. I will have to plant some new trees and plants in the future but I’ll await until Jason starts a GoFundTGCA or else I get some gubmn’t money you all at HHR will subsidize for my yard.

  573. Bitterlaw says:

    Ummmmm. That could have been stated better.

  574. Tgca says:

    586
    Interesting you should say that Bitter. Some have solicited me to go deep before but I’m not sure they were thinking along the same lines as you.

  575. Tina says:

    tg, you work quickly getting it all cleamed up.

  576. janz says:

    tgca,

    I think much of our belief system is formed from our own experiences. For me, my own childhood had a lot of rough spots in it, and I survived, despite some dubious odds. And, then I was privileged to work with and have amazing interactions with patients — children and adults — in which I witnessed courageous and sometimes miraculous outcomes. That’s probably why I give so much credence to the human spirit.

  577. janz says:

    Geez Bitter…..

  578. Robbie says:

    It’s almost as if the wall was nothing more than a campaign slogan.

    Jonathan Swan?
    @jonathanvswan

    A person briefed on the meeting – the President & the leaders agreed to pair the DREAM Act with some border security, excluding the wall.

  579. Robbie says:

    Trump, the great negotiator, got rolled again by Chuck and Nancy. DACA gets enshrined, but the wall gets nothing.

  580. Tgca says:

    Janz

    I agree about personal experiences, drive and the human spirit but for some, the spirit can be broken or never developed and that’s why we must give special care to those that need help the most. Just like we cradle and care for a sick newborn, some older folks need cradling as well. However, it’s very easy to look at someone and fail to see they may need as much guidance and care as a sick infant. We are prejudiced by our eyes at times and fail to see inside sometimes.

  581. Tgca says:

    590 Tina

    I did absolutely no work. I delegated it all to the landscapers. But no worries, I’ll be paying for it soon. It doesn’t come free, that’s for sure.

  582. lisab says:

    wvally and janz

    40% of the country have ZERO or NEGATIVE wealth

    so it is not simply a question of bucking up

  583. Cash Cow TM says:

    “A skunk sat on a stump and thunk.
    The skunk thunk the stump stunk.
    But the stump thunk the skunk stunk.”

  584. Tgca says:

    600! Yes!

  585. Tgca says:

    Ok. 600?

  586. Tina says:

    Trump’s reasons for engaging with lawmakers beyond the Republican leadership is deeply shaped by his experience on health-care legislation, which has so far stalled in the Senate after months of fits and starts, according to two people familiar with the issue who have spoken with him recently. Trump remains unhappy with GOP leaders for promising success earlier in the year, only to see the effort fall apart, said the people, who insisted on anonymity to speak candidly.

    Trump now believes that Republicans — who control both the House and the Senate — cannot be trusted to carry bills to passage by themselves and views it as his burden to create a better environment for his legislative agenda to garner support. What matters to him, one Republican lawmaker said, is “putting wins on the board — not the specifics.”

    Instead of relentlessly courting members of the conservative, and often intractable, House Freedom Caucus, as he did on health care, Trump wants them to “feel the burn a little bit,” the lawmaker added, framing the new outreach as Trump’s way of reminding conservatives in both chambers that he likes them but does not need them.

    From the compost.

    Trumo cannot trus lyin ryano or mitchie.

  587. Tgca says:

    598 Cash

    Hmmm…all I have to say to that is:

    How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

  588. Tgca says:

    Tina

    I agree. I think Trump is putting pressure on GOP leadership and making them look bad. Polls show folks want bi-partisan effort and Trump is using both sides to force the agenda. What he gave to Dems in the 3 month extension was squat and not impactful but the message to the GOP leadership threw them off balance. He’s doing what Clinton did on welfare reform and NAFTA. He’s boxed GOP leadership in because they will look awful if he’s cutting deals because they can’t do their job.

  589. lisab says:

    How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
    ————–

    none if walt gets a hold of them

  590. wvally says:

    Lisa I said nothing about bucking up. And I explicitly said I don’t think welfare can/should be cut now, as people are dependent upon it. However, I think the implementation of the great society programs, particularly in inner cities, was disastrous on many levels, destroying culture and family bonds and locking generations of people into dysfunction. It’s very sad.

  591. wvally says:

    “While DACA and border security were both discussed, excluding the wall was certainly not agreed to,” @PressSec says, responding to Dems

  592. Tina says:

    The wall is done, funding is there. Designs made.

    Non negotiable.

    He will negotiate possibly daca and more border guards.

  593. Tina says:

    Ryano and mitchie are looking incompetent.m this is smart because he is innoculating himself from their failures.

    Other than gorsuch, big kudos by grassley, the r leadership has failed hard.

  594. wvally says:

    Furthermore I think our immigration policies have further exacerbated the problems ushered in by the welfare policies and housing projects.

  595. Tina says:

    Tg, the debt ceiling bill is a prime example.

    Ryano and mitchie were not on the same page.

    Ryano offers 18 mo debt limit, then seconds later offers 6 months. What a wimp.

  596. Tina says:

    You can look at it from trumps view. R congress has done nothing. They have launched one stupid investigation after another re muh russian. They are all over the map on it and provided no cover to the president.

    One or more R senators or flub are ir were behinf the russian fake dossier.

    So his shift is helping.

  597. NYCmike says:

    Robbie somehow missed what the press secretary said…..I AM SHOCKED!

    Trump better NOT make such a deal, and better not trust Schumer/Pelosi.

    I understand his anger at Mitch/Ryan, but there are limits.

    Also, Mitch or Ryan CAN just delay any agreement…..i have no problem taking a hard line .

  598. NYCmike says:

    wvally,

    We have to accept the same amount of immigrants NO MATTER WHAT, but Bitterlaw is against illegal immigration.

  599. NYCmike says:

    “Life is not always as sweet as people think because it depends on your home life. Being poor is one thing. Being poor and severely abused all your life is another.”

    -Tgca,

    Yes, agreed.

    I would say the breakdown of the family is more disastrous than people with less st uff.

  600. Tina says:

    We may need rand tmhalt any daca duck deal.

  601. NYCmike says:

    Of course there is always Cotton/Perdue…..maybe McConnell would ask Trump to back up his previous support for that bill……oh wait a minute, only 20 “life-long Republicans” might even entertain that bill that is too…..conservative?

  602. Tina says:

    Daca duck is supported by ryano and mitchie.

  603. Tgca says:

    Ok. It’s getting late and I just THUNK too much tonight…and I’m STUMPED by the SKUNK sitting on the STUMP when all I know is that TRUMP THUNK he STUMPED Hilary and the whole Russia story STUNK and Sessions has gotta get those leaking SKUNKS.

  604. NYCmike says:

    Tina mentioned Rand Paul……jason will be here to mention one specific statement made by Rand Paul in 3…..2…..1……

  605. NYCmike says:

    Cheers!

  606. Tina says:

    Sarah Sanders @PressSec
    ·
    28m
    While DACA and border security were both discussed, excluding the wall was certainly not agreed to.

    Sara sanders says no deal.

  607. Tina says:

    I always wait a bit. Every time rottie posts something, it is refuted minutes later.

    Rottie= fake News

  608. Tina says:

    Mark short also confirms no,deal.

  609. Tgca says:

    614

    NYC THUNK having less stuff is not important. If it helps you cope better NYC, you keep thinking that. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  610. lisab says:

    However, I think the implementation of the great society programs, particularly in inner cities, was disastrous on many levels, destroying culture and family bonds and locking generations of people into dysfunction. It’s very sad.
    ——————————————

    post hoc ergo propter hoc

  611. Bitterlaw says:

    What is “conservative” about slashing legal immigration? Does it reduce the size or cost of government? No. Does it lower taxes or cut regulations? No. The legal immigrants I know are hardworking and successful. It seems the label “conservative” in regard to legal immigration is misplaced.

  612. wvally says:

    Well every A hole has an opinion that one’s mine.

  613. wvally says:

    Referring to 625.

    I have no beef with legal immigration.

  614. Waingro says:

    “WH leg affairs director Marc Short calls Dems’ DACA statement “misleading,” says no deal on DACA or border wall $$ was reached tonight.”

  615. Waingro says:

    Tina: why is everyone in Twitter taking Chuck and Nancy’s word at face value of a “deal”? Seems like that is false based on WH accounts.

  616. Robbie says:

    Poor NYCMike. His orange conservative hero sold him out on immigration. Ha! The Trump chumps fell for Donnie’s BS hook line and sinker. But the RAISE act. Ha! But Sarah Sanders says not true. Ha! You guys got played and then he threw you under the bus on his signature issue.

    Also, a quick reminder. We’re up 0 miles of wall built! Suckers.

  617. Robbie says:

    By tomorrow morning, Tina and NYCMike will have found a way to blame Ryan and McConnell for Trump selling them out on immigration.

  618. Tina says:

    Yeah, wain, no deal.

    It got the fake news reporters amd jebots triggerrd.

  619. Robbie says:

    This is all too delicious. Three lifelong Democrats (Chuck, Nancy, and Donnie) cut a deal to enshrine DACA. Had Jeb, Rubio, Romney, or Kasich cut this deal, NYCMike and Tina would be screaming at the top of their lungs.

    I know, I know. The Trumpies say Donnie didn’t sell them out because two people who weren’t in the room (Marc Short and Sarah Sanders) say it didn’t happen. If you believe them and their cya story, I’ve got some primo swamp land to sell you.

    Even immigration haters and Trump worshippers Laura Ingraham and Rep. Steve King are upset on twitter tonight with Trump. It’s all so delicious.

  620. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    September 13, 2017 at 11:39 pm
    Yeah, wain, no deal.
    It got the fake news reporters amd jebots triggerrd.

    – Bless your heart. I know it’s been a tough night for you and I’m loving every minute of it. You fell for Trump’s immigration BS and now you’re left to believe two people who weren’t in the room with Donnie, Chuck, and Nancy.

    Ha! It’s so funny and it only took 8 months for Donnie to sell you out.

  621. Tina says:

    wain, i literally wait ten minutes after fake news rottie posts his dribble.

  622. Trump says:

    If we can fake the moon landing, we can fake building a stupid wall.

  623. Tina says:

    It’s all so delicious.

    Gayest post of the month.

  624. Robbie says:

    The great negotiator! Ha! He got a worse deal with Chuck than little Marco did in 2013. Suckers!!!

    Dan McLaughlin?
    @baseballcrank

    It’s actually really easy to make deals if you give people what they want & don’t ask for things in return.

  625. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    September 13, 2017 at 11:41 pm
    wain, i literally wait ten minutes after fake news rottie posts his dribble.

    – I love it! Donnie sold you out. But at least he’s attacking Crooked Hillary on Twitter tonight. That’s as good as a legislative achievement like the wall, right?!

  626. Tina says:

    Love the tweeks though, they are reporting fake news.

    A phantom non deal deal.

  627. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    September 13, 2017 at 11:42 pm
    It’s all so delicious.
    Gayest post of the month.

    – Still better than being a Trump chump who got sold out by Trump on immigration of all things!

  628. Tina says:

    What is reality is that the wall is being built.

    Permits waived.

    4 co builidng protypes.

  629. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    September 13, 2017 at 11:44 pm
    Love the tweeks though, they are reporting fake news.
    A phantom non deal deal.

    – Kinda like how you said Don Jr’s emails were fake news twenty minutes before Don Jr. released the emails himself. Ha!

  630. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    September 13, 2017 at 11:45 pm
    What is reality is that the wall is being built.
    Permits waived.
    4 co builidng protypes.

    – LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

    Bless your heart.

    There’s never going to be a wall, but there is going to be amnesty for DACA. Ha!

  631. Tina says:

    linkmthe plan.

    Maybe lord butterball has it

  632. Tina says:

    There was not going to be a trump presidency either. Lord butterball daid so.

  633. Robbie says:

    Headline on Breitbart: “Amnesty Don”

    Suckers!!!

  634. Tina says:

    Rebecca Ballhaus ? @rebeccaballhaus
    WH leg affairs director Marc Short calls Dems’ DACA statement “misleading,” says no deal on DACA or border wall $$ was reached tonight.
    7:30 PM – Sep 13, 2017

  635. Robbie says:

    I think I know a couple of MAGA heads at HHR who would support this and I bet Hannity and Ingraham are already gearing up for calling Chuck and Nancy the only way to get conservative achievements.

    Ryan Lizza?
    @RyanLizza

    We are a few moves away from #MAGA Twitter calling for a Democratic takeover of Congress as a way to stick it to Ryan and McConnell

  636. Tina says:

    Ha, no deal.

  637. Cash Cow TM says:

    Cash Cow has no beef with anyone.

  638. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    September 13, 2017 at 11:50 pm
    Rebecca Ballhaus ? @rebeccaballhaus
    WH leg affairs director Marc Short calls Dems’ DACA statement “misleading,” says no deal on DACA or border wall $$ was reached tonight.
    7:30 PM – Sep 13, 2017

    – Was he in the room with Donnie, Chuck, and Nancy for dinner? Nope. CYA that will keep the Trump chumps pacified for the time being.

  639. Tina says:

    The jebot is posting all of his twitter drat groupies.

  640. Cash Cow TM says:

    Come to think of it, vegans also have no beef with anyone.

    Right, lisab?

  641. Robbie says:

    Trump’s going to have to read the poem “The Snake” to his followers just to remind them he was never a conservative.

  642. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    September 13, 2017 at 11:52 pm
    The jebot is posting all of his twitter drat groupies.

    – I’ll be more than happy to post Laura Ingraham whining about Donnie selling out the Trump chumps.

  643. Tina says:

    The jebot lies link the plan agreeed to.

  644. Tina says:

    Link the plan.

  645. Robbie says:

    Amnesty Don

  646. Tina says:

    Laura ingraham is a dingbat, she falls routinely for the fake news

  647. Tina says:

    Link the plan drat liar.

  648. Tina says:

    Jebot failed to produce links to the ohantom plan and the ohantom plans of ryan and mitchie re debt ceiling.

  649. Robbie says:

    Amnesty Don! That’s Breitbart’s headline. I love it.

  650. Robbie says:

    Jeff Sessions gave up his Senate seat to get crapped on by Trump on Twitter and get sold out on DACA.

    Hey, Jeff! ETTD. Everything Trump touches dies.

  651. Tina says:

    Link the deal, drat troll

  652. Tina says:

    Schumah press secretary nomdeal.

    Trump wants wall funding.

    Lol

  653. Tina says:

    Christopher @DualFed
    ·
    3m
    Replying to @DanRiehl
    The fact we may get a wall + border enforcement with Dreamers is amazing when last time the Amnesty was for all 11+ Million.

    Better deal than yeb

  654. Tina says:

    Short says POTUS and Dems did agree to try to address DACA “quickly.” https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/908155952448274433

    Lol

  655. NYCmike says:

    Robbie enjoys bad deals more than most.

    Someone, anyone, please remind McConnell and Ryan – the President is NOT in charge of writing legislation.

    The party, and their leaders, in control of each branch, can STOP any bill from being voted on.

    In fact, they don’t even have to bring it to the floor for debate. Just sit on it.

    Treat it like another piece of legislation that I have spoken about.

    Sold out by one person (maybe), but behold, CHECKS and BALANCES.

    Let’s see how they use their CONSTITUTIONAL POWER.

  656. Tina says:

    Time for rand , the ut senator, and porno cruz to gum this up.

  657. Tina says:

    Several wh sources named deny any deal.

    But we believe rottie and fake news

    Lol

  658. Tina says:

    I guess rottie fake news cannot produce the deal.

  659. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram @ChadPergram
    Pelosi letter to Dems on Trump mtg: We agreed to a plan to work out an agreement to protect our nation’s DREAMers from deportation.
    9:17 PM · Sep 13, 2017

    Yup, there is no deal.

  660. Tina says:

    Translated, agreed to meet again….

  661. Tina says:

    Trump also floated another idea that would certainly complicate passage of a DACA fix: the president, Cuellar said, wants to include parts of a GOP bill that demands more merit-based screenings for immigrants while reducing the number of legal immigrants by roughly a half over a decade. That proposal, sponsored by Sens. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and David Perdue (R-Ga.), is a non-starter for most Democrats.

    Trump,wants raise act tied to daca duck.

    Jebot wromg again

  662. lisab says:

    What is “conservative” about slashing legal immigration? Does it reduce the size or cost of government? No.
    ————————–

    actually yes. unskilled immigrants are a drain on our society. we already have unskilled labor.

    ————————————————
    Does it lower taxes or cut regulations? No.

    it lowers the amount of taxes needed to subsidize the welfare unskilled labor needs.

  663. lisab says:

    Come to think of it, vegans also have no beef with anyone.

    Right, lisab?
    ————————————–

    i am not a vegan … but yes, that would be true

    as an undergraduate i did go vegan for about a month … because my roomate was vegan and we shared almost everything anyway …

    because of my unstable schedulae as a student, not always being able to eat lunch due to classes, i dropped down to under 85 pounds … and my doctor yelled at me, …

    which i thought was inappropriate, but she went on and on about women needing to empower themselves and take care of their bodies etc.

    soooooooo … i went back to being a vegetarian

  664. lisab says:

    the thing is

    robbie was pro-dreamers

    sooooooooooo … if what he is saying is true, why isn’t he happy?

    one might almost believe he is a hillary supporter 🙂

  665. lisab says:

    the trouble with the wall …

    although it would be fairly effective with even minimal patrolling

    is that it is insulting to mexico.

  666. lisab says:

    it seems to me it would be far better to make the illegal aliens less likely to come here

    which only happens if they are not paid by businesses

    to do that you need to make it better for businesses to modernize or hire americans than to hire illegals.

    i suggest allowing illegals to turn in their employers for a reward that would be paid by a substantial fine on the employer. many illegals cross the border all the time, so turning in their employer as they head back to mexico would be fine for them, … traveling money

    if the fine is substantial, no business would take the chance, thus they would not hire illegals and illegals wouls stop coming

  667. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    681. “the trouble with the wall … although it would be fairly effective with even minimal patrolling.”

    They already have a wall along much of California’s border with Mexico. It is ineffective/waste of money. Using advanced technology to monitor the border makes so much more sense.

  668. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Is there a reason that Robbie is bouncing off the wall? Trump is working with the Democrats, so what. Maybe working in a non-partisan manner is a better strategy, since the Republicans are to fractious to pass anything.

  669. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    There are a bunch of Trump supporters on the board indicating they do not have a problem with Trump working with the Democrats, and Robbie, who hates Trump, going into hysterics about it. The author of the “Art of the Deal” is now showing how it works.

  670. Redmen4ever says:

    Trump: I won’t demand a border wall as part of an act to secure legal basis for DACA

    Democrats: we have an agreement

    Not so fast. It’s possible the Democrats will fetch enough Republican votes to pass a bill offering zero to Republicans in terms of immigration reform. It’s possible Trump will sign such a bill or that Congress – with a lot of support from Republicans – will override a Presidential veto. But, such a scenario would be an act of brinksmanship on the part of the Democrats.

    What would fly through Congress, with good support from both sides is a bill that includes Congressional authorization of a limited DACA program and some Republican priorities regarding immigration reform. The problem with this scenario is that Trump, the deal-maker, is dealing with Democrats.

  671. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    51m
    No deal was made last night on DACA. Massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote.

    NO DEAL

  672. Tina says:

    Jebot lied and made a fool of itself last night.

    What a stooge.

    Posts so make fake news stories and tweets from drats

  673. wvally says:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/century-old-francis-scott-key-monument-defaced-with-racist-anthem-in-baltimore/article/2634255

    Paint splashed all over Francis Scott Key statue in Baltimore, and “racist anthem” spray painted in black.

    This will p*ss off even the most liberal Marylanders.

  674. jason says:

    Rand Paul’s “surrender bill” got 2 R votes and 30 Dem votes.

  675. Bitterlaw says:

    Cash Cow has no beef with anyone.

    But plenty of beef FOR everyone!

  676. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – I hate to be the one to tell you this but you have to leave the country. According to some like NYC we don’t need you here. Sorry.

    The good news is that you will be in charge of the Machu Picchu branch of the A-holes.

  677. Bitterlaw says:

    Looking over your immigration filings, I noted that you listed your skills as “llama husbandry.” That is no longer a useful skill as the alpaca is cuter and has better wool.

  678. Phil says:

    I went to bed early last night and am just now scanning posts.

    Was Robbie drunk last night?

  679. jason says:

    Wobbie really is a dishonest, petty, small minded idiot.

    Like me, he probably supports DACA in principle, so if Trump could actually get a deal, especially in exchange for more border security, he should support him.

    But he just can’t bring himself to do so, still pining for Jeb Bush.

    It must be tough going through life being that narrow minded and shortsighted. What a miserable spirit.

  680. jason says:

    “According to some like NYC we don’t need you here. Sorry”

    Sniff, I admit I probably took the A-hole slot of an American born A-hole when I was accepted as member.

    But the question is, would an American born A-hole have been willing to execute my role here, patrolling idiots, deadenders and trolls 24/7 for over a decade?

    I know, I know, NYC will say I did it for less than an American born A-hole would have done it for.

  681. jason says:

    Looking over your immigration filings, I noted that you listed your skills as “llama husbandry.”

    I put that in the “skill” field?

    My English was not that good at the time.

    I thought it said “marital status”.

  682. Waingro says:

    I’m not sure why people are freaking out over Trump meeting with Chucky and Nancy. He said quite clearly no deal yet.

    Yes, he stated that he clearly supports underlying substance of DACA, but did he ever really say otherwise? He did break his promise to rescind it on Day 1, but the basis he had put forth was due to its illegality thanks to Barry’s executive fiat.

    People were fooling themselves if they believed Trump truly was against all forms of “amnesty”. And if that is the main reason you supported him (like the Coulters of the world) then you have been stupidly conned.

  683. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – Trust me. No American-born A-hole could be a bigger A-hole than you. Since MD stole the A-hole Manual, I’m not sure how to deal with the expulsion of an A-hole. You can stay.

    DCC

  684. Robbie says:

    Ha!

    Donald J. Trump?
    @realDonaldTrump 3 Nov 2015

    Marco Rubio would keep Barack Obama’s executive order on amnesty intact. See article. Cannot be President.

  685. Robbie says:

    Jeff Zeleny?
    @jeffzeleny 43m
    43 minutes ago

    In president’s mind DACA “takes priority,” a WH aide explains, saying: “He believes in this.” Trump thinks rank and file base stays with him

  686. Robbie says:

    Ha! Amnesty Don confirmed he sold out his MAGA base this morning. Suckers! The Trump chumps got played. Who could have ever imagined a lifelong Democrat would cut deals with Democrats? Me. That’s who.

    Kaitlan Collins?
    @kaitlancollins

    As he left the White House, Trump said they are working on a plan for DACA that includes border security. “The wall will come later.”

  687. Robbie says:

    Trump is the Nigerian prince who needs help transferring money into the US and his base are the dupes who gave him their bank account numbers.

  688. Robbie says:

    He’s rebranding amnesty as DACA!

    Zeke Miller?
    @ZekeJMiller

    Pool: Responding to a shouted question on whether he favors “amnesty,” Trump shouted back: “The word is DACA.”

  689. Robbie says:

    Ann Coulter?
    @AnnCoulter 3h
    3 hours ago

    At this point, who DOESN’T want Trump impeached?

  690. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    September 14, 2017 at 7:04 am
    Jebot lied and made a fool of itself last night.
    What a stooge.
    Posts so make fake news stories and tweets from drats

    – Bless your heart. I’m loving watching you twist yourself into a pretzel to defend Amnesty Don.

    Trump to the press this morning, “The wall will come later”.

    Sucker!

  691. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    September 14, 2017 at 9:02 am
    I went to bed early last night and am just now scanning posts.
    Was Robbie drunk last night?

    – No. I just love the fact that Trump sold his base out on the signature issue that attracted the base to Trump. Who could have ever imagined Trump, a lifelong Democrat, would do that? Me.

    He lied to the immigration crowd. It only took him 8 months to sell you out on the wall.

  692. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 14, 2017 at 9:14 am
    Wobbie really is a dishonest, petty, small minded idiot.
    Like me, he probably supports DACA in principle, so if Trump could actually get a deal, especially in exchange for more border security, he should support him.
    But he just can’t bring himself to do so, still pining for Jeb Bush.
    It must be tough going through life being that narrow minded and shortsighted. What a miserable spirit.

    – Hey, look. The biggest fraud at HHR is back to defend Donnie (after attacking him all throughout 2015 and 2016) and he even found a way to take a shot at Jeb Bush. Jeb quit the race 19 months ago and, like you, didn’t vote for Donnie.

    What I find so wonderful about last night’s deal is it was so predictable despite what the MAGA crowd thought. They thought Donnie really cared about the wall when it was clear the wall was just a ploy. He roped these suckers in and they fell for it. And frankly, they deserve to be mocked.

    For two years, I had to read these MAGA idiots tell me Trump was really a conservative who was going to build the wall and have Mexico pay for it. It was a scam through and through, but they wouldn’t listen. Laura Ingraham’s tears sustain me.

    And now what do we have? A lifelong Democrat cutting deal with Chuck and Nancy. Wow! So conservative. So I love schadenfreude and this is a schadenfreude special.

    But by all means, keep supporting the guy who is destroying the Republican party and making Democrats great again.

  693. Robbie says:

    This tweet from Brit Hume came in February 2016. Donnie was signaling then he’d sell out MAGA world even though MAGA world assured us Trump was the new Reagan.

    Brit Hume?
    @brithume

    Trump today: “I’m very capable of changing to anything I

  694. Bitterlaw says:

    I expected Trump to return to his Democrat roots. Unlike Robbie, I take no joy in it.

  695. Waingro says:

    Wow Robbie take a breath!

  696. Robbie says:

    LOL

    CNN Politics?
    @CNNPolitics

    Trump on DACA: We’re not looking at citizenship or amnesty, “we’re looking at allowing people to stay here”

  697. Jonesy says:

    Robbie is mentally ill, and oozing with hate. Just ignore him

  698. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    September 14, 2017 at 10:38 am
    Wow Robbie take a breath!

    – Nope. Not today. I’ve had to listen to MAGA world tell me for two years Trump is a conservative who won’t sell out the conservative movement or the Republican party. The schadenfreude tastes delicious.

  699. Jonesy says:

    10 posts in a row for Hillary wins Utah. Talking to himself, and nobody cares

  700. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    September 14, 2017 at 11:06 am
    Robbie is mentally ill, and oozing with hate. Just ignore him

    – Says the guy who called me an anti-Semite.

    How does it feel to be sold out so brutally by Trump?

  701. Phil says:

    Look Robbie. For those of us who voted and supported someone else in the primaries (Rubio in my case) we had two choices in the November election – Hillary or Trump.

    Trump with his zig zag ideology or an Obama third term with Hillary.

    I support a lot of things Trump has done – climate policies, lessoning of regulation, conservative judges, rollback of political correctness, construction of pipelines, proposed tax cuts…..none of those we would have gotten with her thighness. None. Nada. I oppose certain things he has done. Immigration? Disappointment to be sure but you evaluate the choices you have – Hillary or Trump.

    Hillary or Trump. To me it was a no brainer in every sense. Not even close.

    Quit acting like most of us didn’t know who Trump was. Not everyone is Ann Coulter.

  702. Jonesy says:

    Did not sell me out. I knew the Dreamers would never be deported.

    Robbie you are a anti semite, that was always a given by your posts.

  703. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    September 14, 2017 at 11:06 am
    10 posts in a row for Hillary wins Utah. Talking to himself, and nobody cares

    – Trump in the campaign: DACA will be revoked, we’re building that wall, and Mexico’s going to pay for it.

    Trump today: We’re working on a deal to enshrine DACA and the wall will come later.

  704. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    September 14, 2017 at 11:09 am

    Robbie you are a anti semite, that was always a given by your posts.

    – LOL! Trump’s court jester doubles down on his stupidity.

  705. Jonesy says:

    Well said Phil. Judges are for a generation, DACA is a 48 news cycle.

    Trump wants to get things done, and is frustrated by do nothing hacks like John McCain and Murkowski, who want the status quo.

  706. Jonesy says:

    Robbie did you even go to College? Your posts last the last two nights were very immature and idiotic.

    Get help

  707. Jonesy says:

    I will come back later, after Robbie takes his Meds

  708. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie
    Trump’s fixation on the DACA issue is disheartening, but nothing concrete has been decided or signed into law. Yes, this could become identical to Bush41’s nullification of his campaign pledge to not raise income taxes.
    For we immigration hawks, one thing is true–If Jeb! was POTUS45,by now, all 11+ million illegal aliens would have been given the DACA/DAPA deal. Do you agree?

  709. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    September 14, 2017 at 11:12 am
    Robbie did you even go to College? Your posts last the last two nights were very immature and idiotic.
    Get help

    – LOL! Trump’s court jester claimed I’m immature and idiotic right after he claimed once again I’m an anti-Semite. Ha!

  710. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    September 14, 2017 at 11:14 am
    Robbie
    Trump’s fixation on the DACA issue is disheartening, but nothing concrete has been decided or signed into law. Yes, this could become identical to Bush41’s nullification of his campaign pledge to not raise income taxes.
    For we immigration hawks, one thing is true–If Jeb! was POTUS45,by now, all 11+ million illegal aliens would have been given the DACA/DAPA deal. Do you agree?

    – You’re not getting a Jeb or Marco presidency. You’re getting the Hillary presidency.

  711. Robbie says:

    Sheeple

    One thing I do know about a potential Jeb or Marco presidency is this. We’d already have Obamacare repealed and replaced and we’d also have tax reform either done or just about done.

    With Trump, we’ve gotten nothing on either front and the Republican Party is getting torched in the leadup to 2018.

  712. CG says:

    Drive by:

    I am just glad the right thing is getting done.

    The young men and women who were brought to America, as children, should not be deported. They have done nothing wrong. As long as they remain on the path that they have been on, I look forward to them earning citizenship down the road.

    Border enforcement is important, and should be a bipartisan concern, but the concept of an entire “Wall” on the southern border is and always has been ridiculous.

    So, while I loathe both Trump and Congressional Democrats and have been extremely downcast on Congressional Republicans, I will applaud everyone for doing the right thing for the country.

    Those who were duped by Trump in the campaign or who are purely motivated by the need to excuse every action he takes or every word he utters will have to find a way to reconcile this. They will ludicrously insist that he did not sell out his most ardent supporters on this “deal” and will continue trying to claim that Trump is something that he is not. “Sad.”

    On the other hand, those whose only motivation is to attack each and every thing Donald Trump might do, will be act upset at this, because they would rather him do the wrong thing for their political benefit, than the right thing for the nation’s greater good. Even “sadder.”

  713. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #726- ROBBIE
    Your answer is a total non-sequitur and you did not answer my question about Jeb!’s policy on immigration.
    So you believe that a H. Clinton Presidency would have selected Justice Gorsuch to the SCOTUS and rescinded the Paris Climate Accord?!

  714. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #727- Robbie
    And your empirical information to claim this as fact is…….?

  715. NYCmike says:

    “According to some like NYC we don’t need you here. Sorry.”

    -Bitterlaw, Jason,

    I know you are A-Holes, but please don’t be a-holes.

    I have NEVER said this, nor do I think it.

  716. CG says:

    This is simple-

    HRC- no Gorsuch, staying in climate accords, Obamacare in place

    Trump- Gorsuch, out of Paris (maybe), Obamacare in place

    Kasich- Gorsuch or someone like him, stay in climate accords, Obamacare repealed and replaced

    Bush or Rubio- Gorsuch or someone like him, out of Paris, Obamacare repealed and replaced

  717. Phil says:

    Disagree about Kasich on judges. Nobody like Gorsuch.

    Wouldn’t trust Kasich on a damned thing.

  718. CG says:

    I think everyone needs to realize that when and if there is another Supreme Court vacancy, Trump is very likely to cut a deal with Chuck and Nancy.

    As long as his base is loyal only to him personally and not to anything else, he will be of the impression he can get away with it, and there will be another liberal on the Court.

  719. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #732
    And where is your empirical evidence for Rubio and bush rescinding the Paris Climate Accord? In fact,if my recollection is true, both wanted to leave it alone.

  720. CG says:

    Both talked of leaving it during the campaign (at least I know for sure Bush did). Kasich said we should stay because it’s mostly symbolic anyway and America might as well be involved. I actually tend to side with him.

  721. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #734
    No, Trump will not compromise on Judges nor does he have to under the Reid Nuclear Option.
    All Judges he has nominated to date have been conservatives.Please pay attention.

  722. CG says:

    He’ll cut a deal in a second on the SC. All he wants to do is look like a “winner.” Trump’s ardent supporters, such as NYC, prefer he work with Democrats than work with Republicans, so nobody be surprised if and when this happens.

    Enjoy the day.

  723. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #738
    Nonsense. A smart guy like Trump does not need to accommodate the Democrats when he has already WON with GOP votes on SCOTUS.
    Do you agree that his Court nominees to date have stellar conservative credentials?

  724. CG says:

    I like Gorsuch. I really don’t know what has been going on at the lower level.

    You didn’t think he would sell you out on immigration either I reckon or “The Wall” but alas it has happened.

    The closer Trump gets to the Democrat leaders and the further away he gets from the Republicans (which is what his base says they want) the more likely it is he picks a liberal for the Court. He sure thinks it is important to keep Eminent Domain.

    He’ll cut any deal he can.

  725. CG says:

    And is he going to Tweet any more endorsements of Luther Strange or has he “given up?”

    Is he willing to risk anything?

  726. Jonesy says:

    4 Trump Judges were approved by the Senate Judiciary committee this morning, including Ralph Erickson for the 8th court of Appeals.

  727. Jonesy says:

    Every Circuit court appointee by Trump has been a outstanding conservative, but Corey tells us Trump will now a appoint a liberal to the Supreme court.

    Get it straight CG/Corey and what other name you use.

  728. Jonesy says:

    Corey and Robbie are the doomer tag team, dreaming of bad news for Trump

  729. Waingro says:

    #741, if he does, it will be tepid at best.

    As erratic and troubling as Moore might be does not sound like he would be thorn in Trump’s side (his potential colleagues in the Senate is another story), so he probably really doesn’t care what comes out of that primary.

  730. Waingro says:

    #744, to be fair, it looks like Corey is separating himself from Robbie in the ra ra of Robbie over Trump on DACA.

  731. Jonesy says:

    746. Wain, but to say Trump will nominate a Pelosi hack to Scotus? Corey is off base

  732. Jonesy says:

    By the end of this week, Trump will have Gorsuch and 4 Const. conservative Judges on the Appeals Courts.

    That is lasting and impressive. And no I am not happy about Trump making deals with Pelosi and Schumer, but hoping for the best

  733. Waingro says:

    #747, agreed there.

    I’m a big Trump skeptic, but the one area I am still willing to give him benefit of the doubt on — until I see actual, non-speculative evidence to the contrary — are his judicial selections. So far, so good on that front.

  734. Jonesy says:

    He also did all he could on Healthcare, but Mark Meadows and McCain decided to squash that at different times.

    Deporting dreamers would be a media nightmare for the GOP. Footage of that would be brutal, but make them join the military or FEMA etc… and no family links either

  735. CG says:

    Nothing I said about DACA was in regards to anything Robbie has said.

    We both speak for ourselves.

    To those who trust Donald J. Trump: goodluck.

  736. NYCmike says:

    I don’t recall ANYONE saying they trust Trump to be a conservative.

    I do recall someone saying that he wants to make deals……who could that have been?

  737. NYCmike says:

    ” Trump’s ardent supporters, such as NYC, prefer he work with Democrats than work with Republicans, so nobody be surprised if and when this happens.”

    -“CG” may not be as rah-rah as Robbie, but he is is wacky as Wes.

  738. NYCmike says:

    Also, still waiting for “CG” and Robbie, and anyone else, to acknowledge that if McConnell and Ryan were conservatives, leaders, as well as good communicators, they could stop any “deal” Trump made with Schumer. Schumer is unable to bring legislation to the floor that McConnell won’t allow, same as Pelosi with Ryan in the House.

  739. NYCmike says:

    Lastly, if there was any “deal”, I would expect it to die in either the House or the Senate, preferably both, without even getting a vote.

    Seeing how Schumer/Pelosi immediately said there was a deal shows how disgusting they are.

    The only way to get any compromise out of them is to alter the WHOLE SYSTEM…….but Republicans are against that…….although no substantive reasons have been given for their opposition, other than they FEEL the number of legal immigrants should NOT be reduced.

  740. Waingro says:

    “He also did all he could on Healthcare, but Mark Meadows and McCain decided to squash that at different times.”

    Respectfully disagree there. IMO, Trump was very weak in negotiating and using the bully pulpit to sell a bill. I believe his leadership was poor in this regard.

    Having said that, I do put most of the blame on the congressional Republicans for failing to get anything done after 7 years.

  741. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The bottom line goal of Trump was to limit the amount of illegal immigration – HE HAS SUCCESSFULLY DONE IT. Changes in how it was accomplished do not take away from the success of his effort.

    “The significant downturn in the number of illegal border crossers between the U.S. and Mexico is “nothing short of miraculous,” National Border Patrol Council President Brandon Judd said on C-SPAN Monday.
    “As far as the Trump administration’s efforts on immigration, this is something they campaigned heavily on,” he said. “At six months, where we are on meeting those promises, we are seeing nothing short of miraculous. If you look at the rhetoric that President Trump has given, it has caused a number of illegal border crossings to go down. We have never seen such a drop that we currently have.”
    “There’s a vibe, there’s an energy in the Border Patrol that’s never been there before in 20 years that I’ve been in the patrol,” Judd added in a separate Fox News interview.
    This month, Customs and Border Protection reported a 53 percent decrease in the number of apprehensions at the southwest border since last year. The number also includes those deemed inadmissible. CBP sees apprehensions as a proxy for how many people are trying to cross the border, and says the drop in apprehensions indicates a drop in attempted illegal crossings.
    Judd said the Trump administration commanded in two executive orders for border agents to fully carry out related laws, while the Obama administration kept agents from doing their jobs as was intended.”

  742. jason says:

    The biggest fraud at HHR is back”

    I know, coming from Wobbie its not worth much, but a point is a point.

  743. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – NYC says Trump is just trying to make deals. I guess that it really doesn’t matter what the deals do.

  744. Robbie says:

    LOL!

    Dan Merica?
    @danmericaCNN

    WH spox: Trump ‘will not be discussing amnesty’ but will discuss ‘legal citizenship over a period of time’

  745. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Frankly, McConnell and Ryan have proven totally ineffective leaders, and the episode with McCain voting no on health care reform was the final straw. It made McConnell look like a incompetent leader, and he should have publicly denounced it. Obama totally ran circles around these boobs, and Trump will do so too.

  746. jason says:

    Ha!

    Donald J. Trump?
    @realDonaldTrump 3 Nov 2015

    Marco Rubio would keep Barack Obama’s executive order on amnesty intact. See article. Cannot be President.”

    Ha, what, moron?

    Trump doesn’t believe it should be done by executive amnesty, neither do I.

    There is no ha here, its entirely consistent that Trump thinks its the responsibility of Congress.

  747. jason says:

    Wobbie is a real moron. I was here saying Trump was not a Republican or a conservaative a lot longer than he has.

    But he is President now, legitimately so.

    Any Republican or conservative that doesn’t support him when its in our interest is really stupid.

    And there is plenty that Trump is doing that IS in the interest of Republicans and conservatives, including immigration reform.

    But Wobbie is still stuck on Jeb Bush.

  748. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here are Trump’s tweets on immigration; I like the fact he is showing some flexibility, and acknowledging the positive contribution many immigrants have made — including serving in the military.

    Donald J. Trump?@realDonaldTrump 7h7 hours ago
    The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built.

    Donald J. Trump?@realDonaldTrump 7h7 hours ago
    No deal was made last night on DACA. Massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote.

    Donald J. Trump?Verified account @realDonaldTrump 7h7 hours ago
    …They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own – brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security

    Donald J. Trump?Verified account
    @realDonaldTrump 7h7 hours ago
    Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!…..

  749. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    September 14, 2017 at 11:32 am
    Disagree about Kasich on judges. Nobody like Gorsuch.
    Wouldn’t trust Kasich on a damned thing.

    – And yet you do trust, in many instances, a lifelong Democrat named Trump who has sold out his base on the defining issue of his campaign.

    I guess sticking it to the Republican Party is more important than accomplishing real conservative goals.

  750. Trump says:

    This is where you are fu ck ed up, cretin.

    “…accomplishing real conservative goals.” is not something Republicans do. Unless Medicaid expansion is “real conservative goal.”

  751. Trump says:

    Technically, Republicans don’t accomplish much of anything.

  752. Trump says:

    That is why GOP Congress has 8 percent job approval rating.

  753. jason says:

    Wobbie, CG and others still cannot forget and forgive that Trump destroyed their candidate in the primaries.

    He destroyed my candidate too. I was angry too. I didn’t even vote for him.

    But its a new ball game now. There are bigger fish to fry.

    Forget what Trump did to Jeb Bush. Geezuz, get over it.

  754. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 14, 2017 at 12:57 pm
    Also, still waiting for “CG” and Robbie, and anyone else, to acknowledge that if McConnell and Ryan were conservatives, leaders, as well as good communicators, they could stop any “deal” Trump made with Schumer. Schumer is unable to bring legislation to the floor that McConnell won’t allow, same as Pelosi with Ryan in the House.

    – I knew NYCMike would try and shift the blame away from Trump and try and pin it on McConnell and Ryan. Must protect the Trump.

    Here’s the thing NYCMike. Your boy, Amnesty Don, spent the Summer torching McConnell and Ryan with the base. The doofus kneecapped the leaders of his own party and now, regrettably, neither has any sway with voters.

    So when Amnesty Don signs onto single payer or some other liberal boondoggle (you know he will), there will be no resistance from McConnell and Ryan because Trump made sure the base won’t believe them or Chuck and Nancy will already be the leaders of the House and Senate.

    But he fights!!!

  755. jason says:

    I agree with all those tweets.

    Sue me.

  756. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    757. If the border patrol agents association is extremely supportive of Trump’s actions in effectively limiting illegal immigration, would tend to believe them more than the naysayers on this board.

  757. jason says:

    LOL

    “Amnesty Don”

    You have to admire the chutzpah….

  758. jason says:

    Trump could do 100% of what Wobbie has been advocating here for years and Wobbie would still say he’s against it.

    Like I said above, what a small minded miserable spirit.

  759. jason says:

    On the other hand, those whose only motivation is to attack each and every thing Donald Trump might do, will be act upset at this, because they would rather him do the wrong thing for their political benefit, than the right thing for the nation’s greater good. Even “sadder.”

    Wow, CG sends a cruise missile into Wobbie’s little brain.

  760. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    September 14, 2017 at 12:22 pm
    #744, to be fair, it looks like Corey is separating himself from Robbie in the ra ra of Robbie over Trump on DACA.

    – I had to listen to the MAGA morons for two years tell me Trump was a conservative and he was going to build the wall and Mexico was going to pay for it. Of course, anyone with a functioning brain knew it would never happen.

    And then after just eight months on the job, Trump jilted his base on the defining issue of his campaign. I knew it would happen and so did many others, but MAGA would have none of it.

    The red hat brigade deserves the mocking. It’s called schadenfreude and it’s delicious. If they were dumb enough to believe Trump, then they deserve the grief when it’s clear they fell for the con.

  761. jason says:

    after attacking him all throughout 2015 and 2016″

    Yeah, I did. I didn’t want him to be the nominee. I didn’t think he was fit to be President. I thought he would be easy pickings against Hillary (I changed my mind on that later before the election).

    So because of thtat now that he is President I can’t support him when I think he is doing the right thing?

    GFY.

  762. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    773. “LOL “Amnesty Don” You have to admire the chutzpah….”

    I did not know Robbie was so anti-immigrant. Maybe he is angry that Bannon was fired, and is venting his wrath.

  763. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    September 14, 2017 at 1:35 pm
    The bottom line goal of Trump was to limit the amount of illegal immigration – HE HAS SUCCESSFULLY DONE IT. Changes in how it was accomplished do not take away from the success of his effort.

    – So you’re going with the line Steve Doocy used on Fox n Friends this morning that the wall was really just a symbol, a metaphor?

  764. jason says:

    Zzzzz.. only the most ardent Trump supporters actually believed he was a true conservative.

    Very few posters here at HHR did. Even most of the conservative media didn’t believe it, except for maybe Hannity.

    Not even NYC believed that.

  765. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    September 14, 2017 at 1:47 pm
    Frankly, McConnell and Ryan have proven totally ineffective leaders, and the episode with McCain voting no on health care reform was the final straw. It made McConnell look like a incompetent leader, and he should have publicly denounced it. Obama totally ran circles around these boobs, and Trump will do so too.

    – As predicted last week when Trump cut his first deal with Chuck and Nancy, MAGA world is moving towards the view the only way to get things done is to work with honest brokers like Chuck and Nancy. What a joke!

    Also, if Obama was able to run circles around McConnell, why is Gorsuch on the Supreme Court and not Garland?

  766. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    776. “And then after just eight months on the job, Trump jilted his base on the defining issue of his campaign.”

    Really Robbie? Please read post 757. The border patrol agents seem to think Trump has been very successfully in fulfilling his campaign promise on immigration. I dare say they know more about the issue than you do.

  767. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 14, 2017 at 1:57 pm

    Forget what Trump did to Jeb Bush. Geezuz, get over it.

    – You’re the one who brings up Jeb all of the time. Not me.

  768. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 14, 2017 at 1:51 pm
    Wobbie is a real moron. I was here saying Trump was not a Republican or a conservaative a lot longer than he has.
    But he is President now, legitimately so.
    Any Republican or conservative that doesn’t support him when its in our interest is really stupid.
    And there is plenty that Trump is doing that IS in the interest of Republicans and conservatives, including immigration reform.
    But Wobbie is still stuck on Jeb Bush.

    – LOL. Trump’s working in the interest of the Republican party? Ha!

    Does that include him attacking Jeff Sessions? Does that include him attacking McConnell and Ryan? Does that include him torching Heller and Flake? Does that include him saying good things about Chemtrail Kelly Ward in AZ? Does that include him attacking John McCain as he dies of brain cancer? Does that include him encouraging Steve Bannon to field a slate of deadender Senate primary challengers in 2018? Does that include him saying Rubio favored amnesty and then going to the left of Rubio’s position?

    But he fights!

  769. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    779. The issue was not building a wall, it was controlling illegal immigration. He is doing so.

    He has successfully reduced illegal immigration without building the wall, and is current improving the existing one. Believe he is looking at the use of new technologies in border control too. He is accomplishing the underlying purpose of the wall.

  770. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 14, 2017 at 1:59 pm
    LOL
    “Amnesty Don”
    You have to admire the chutzpah….

    – I’m just using the phrasing of Breitbart.

  771. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    777. “Yeah, I did. I didn’t want him to be the nominee. I didn’t think he was fit to be President…. So because of that now that he is President I can’t support him when I think he is doing the right thing?”

    Ditto. Also I live in California, where it is necessary to work with Democrats to get things done, so have no problem with Trump doing it.

  772. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    September 14, 2017 at 2:10 pm
    773. “LOL “Amnesty Don” You have to admire the chutzpah….”
    I did not know Robbie was so anti-immigrant. Maybe he is angry that Bannon was fired, and is venting his wrath.

    – I’m just using the phrasing of Trump’s biggest promoter, Breitbart.

    As I have written here for many years, I don’t give a crap about immigration. Build the wall. Don’t build the wall. Keep the dreamers. Don’t keep the dreamers. I don’t care.

    Immigration is a stupid and divisive issue that has torn the Republican Party apart. Still, Trump used immigration as a wedge and then sold out the base who believed him. People fell for his con.

    My immigration view is Reagan’s view and GHW Bush’s view. Both are Republicans. Trump is not.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBWUOOzuWIY

  773. jason says:

    I don’t care if Trump is a Communist as long as he:

    – Promotes deregulation
    – Rebuilds the military
    – Appoints conservative judges
    – Promotes border security
    – Deports illegal who are criminals
    – Combats terrorism
    – Cuts taxes
    – Promotes energy independence
    – Replaces Obamacare
    – Does SOMETHING to resolve the immigration issue so we can stop losing on it
    – Denounces the MSM as lying, biased, unprofessional scumbags

    He has my support on all these things.

    Revoking Nafta? No. Big tariffs? No. Protecting non-competitive businesses? No. Failing to support NATO? No. Gimmes to fatcat unions? No.

  774. Robbie says:

    There is so much revisionist history going on here and just to protect Trump, a lifelong Democrat. NYCMike wouldn’t even accept the fact Trump was a lifelong Democrat. And plenty of the others who posted here in 2016 and no longer do on a regular basis believed Trump was a conservative in the vein of Reagan.

  775. jason says:

    Wobbie is against anything Trump is for.

    Even if it means reneging on everything he has advocated for years.

    Yes, he is that petty. Yes, he is that small minded. Yes, he is that much of a moron.

  776. Robbie says:

    Old Trump: We’re going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it.

    New Trump: We’re going to repair and rebuild old fencing and the American taxpayer will foot the bill.

  777. Phil says:

    789

    Amen, brother. This guy was always going to be a mixed bag.

    Regardless, beats the hell out of President Hillary.

  778. NYCmike says:

    I have never seen Robbie so happy…..well, there was that night in 2012 when Romney lost the election…..

  779. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 14, 2017 at 2:34 pm
    Wobbie is against anything Trump is for.
    Even if it means reneging on everything he has advocated for years.
    Yes, he is that petty. Yes, he is that small minded. Yes, he is that much of a moron.

    – No, I wholeheartedly endorse whoever is picking judges for him. I also wholeheartedly endorse tax reform.

    The problem is Trump has spent eight months attacking his own party and making it nearly impossible for anything to get done.

    On top of that, he has displayed irrational behavior that has led me to believe his mental abilities are in question.

    I care about the Republican party and right now Trump is doing things that will significantly hurt the party in 2018. And all the while, he has barely or rarely gone after the party he should be opposing, the Democrats.

  780. jason says:

    There is so much revisionist history going on here and just to protect Trump, a lifelong Democrat. NYCMike wouldn’t even accept the fact Trump was a lifelong Democrat. And plenty of the others who posted here in 2016 and no longer do on a regular basis believed Trump was a conservative in the vein of Reagan”

    Zzzzzz… BS. Hardly anyone here ever said Trump was a true conservative. Not even Soccer Moron.

    lisab kept arguing Trump was a Republican because he registered as one. Technicality.

    NYC didn’t deny Trump was a Democrat, he just thought it was irrelevant because it was him or Hillary. I didn’t buy the theory but its what he thought. I have my differences with NYC, he did give Trump a lot of passes, but he never claimed he was a Republican or conservative.

    So this whole thing about HHR being sold on Trump as a conservative is a load of crap.

  781. NYCmike says:

    jason post that list again.

    I want to make sure I see how a “life-long Democrat” governs.

  782. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    jason and I clearly have our differences of opinions.

    You clearly have delusional opinions.

  783. jason says:

    I should have said NYC didn’t deny Trump was a former Democrat.

  784. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    786. “LOL “Amnesty Don” You have to admire the chutzpah…. – I’m just using the phrasing of Breitbart.”

    The fact that Breitbart is calling Trump that makes me like him better.

    I live in San Diego near the border; a substantial amount of the people in my neighborhood are from Latin America. Many are in the military. Admire the kids from Mexico, Dominican Republic, Philippines and other countries who came to American to serve in the Navy and Marines. They appreciate United States a lot better than a lot of the spoiled Anglo snowflakes.

    At the same time, we must get our borders under control, and appreciate Trump doing so. The fact he is now doing so in a reasonable and effective manner makes me happy; a lot of the campaign rhetoric was counter-productive.

    Over the last few months, Trump has made the staff changes, as all new presidents do, and believe he is now running a much better administration as a result.

  785. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    I knew what you meant.

  786. jason says:

    Wobbie used to think compromise wasn’t a dirty word.

    One of things I agreed with him.

    But small minds are easily changed.

  787. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 14, 2017 at 2:38 pm
    I have never seen Robbie so happy…..well, there was that night in 2012 when Romney lost the election…..

    – Wrong. Today is bittersweet. It pains me greatly to see the Republican Party being torn apart by a lifelong Democrat.

  788. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 14, 2017 at 2:41 pm
    Robbie,
    jason and I clearly have our differences of opinions.
    You clearly have delusional opinions.

    – Delusional is your ability to flack for Trump. Delusional is supporting the deadenders in Senate primaries. Delusional is believing Ted Cruz is anything other than a shameless grandstander.

    Noting that Trump is a fraud who conned a large portion of the Republican Party is reality.

  789. NYCmike says:

    “It pains me greatly to see the Republican Party being torn apart by a lifelong Democrat.”

    -Ok. So Republicans will, en masse, vote AGAINST this “deal”.

    Newsflash: this is NOT the Corker bill, where we need 67 votes for it to prevail.

    51 (or 218) votes would stop any “deal”.***

    ***Is it possible that Robbie will appreciate the fact that the Republicans CONTROL CONGRESS, not the President?

  790. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 14, 2017 at 2:43 pm
    Wobbie used to think compromise wasn’t a dirty word.
    One of things I agreed with him.
    But small minds are easily changed.

    – Where’s the compromise been with Trump? Walking into a meeting and giving Chuck and Nancy everything they want with little or nothing in return simply because they were nice to him is not compromise.

    It’s rolling over.

  791. jason says:

    I said Trump was liberal Democrat and I had plenty of evidence to back it up.

    He said “deficits were not a problem, just print more money”. I think he does believe that.

    He said “the government will pay for universal HC”. I don’t think he is really committed to a free market system.

    He advocated protectionist theories right out of the AFL-CIO playbook. I think at heart he does think protectionism works.

    But I no longer care about his former positions, only what he does now.

    And where I can support him I will. So should anybody who call himself conservative or Republican or Libertarian.

    The alternative is worse.

  792. NYCmike says:

    “Noting that Trump is a fraud who conned a large portion of the Republican Party is reality.”

    -He “conned” a lot of Independents as well, and since that “con” job allowed the voters to send Hillary back to Chappaqua, I am glad to have been part of it!

  793. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 14, 2017 at 2:47 pm
    “It pains me greatly to see the Republican Party being torn apart by a lifelong Democrat.”
    -Ok. So Republicans will, en masse, vote AGAINST this “deal”.
    Newsflash: this is NOT the Corker bill, where we need 67 votes for it to prevail.
    51 (or 218) votes would stop any “deal”.***
    ***Is it possible that Robbie will appreciate the fact that the Republicans CONTROL CONGRESS, not the President?

    – If you think this Republican Party, the one that Trump has neutered over the last two years, is going to stand up to him and stop a deal on DACA or anything else, then I’m not sure you’ve been paying attention.

    We’re already at the point where Congressmen are desperate for something, anything, to take back to their districts as a sign they’ve done something. They’ll vote for DACA and a whole host of other things because they remain scared of the Trump base in any primary fight.

  794. jason says:

    Noting that Trump is a fraud who conned a large portion of the Republican Party is reality”

    Zzzzzzz.. so what.

    Even if true, and I think it is, so fu—king what?

    It’s the kind of statement that shows you are still in the primaries…

    The guy is President now, get over it.

  795. jason says:

    It pains me greatly to see the Republican Party being torn apart by a lifelong Democrat.”

    LOL

    And who is tearing it apart?

    Small minded morons like you who cannot bear to support Trump when he is right even if its in your own interest.

  796. NYCmike says:

    “I said Trump was liberal Democrat and I had plenty of evidence to back it up. ”

    -You did. You do.

    And I said Trump was NOT a liberal Democrat nor a conservative nor a Republican, and I had plenty of evidence to back it up.

    The alternative is worse. DEFINITELY!

    We NEED a Republican Congress to CHECK his liberal side.

    We WANT a Republican Congress to tip the BALANCE to his more conservative side.

  797. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    798. “Robbie, jason and I clearly have our differences of opinions. You clearly have delusional opinions.”

    We are at a point there is some meaningful dialogue between Trump and Congress going on regarding immigration. And Robbie has to spew his anti-Trump hatred out in response. Its really putrid.

  798. NYCmike says:

    “We’re already at the point where Congressmen are desperate for something, anything, to take back to their districts as a sign they’ve done something. They’ll vote for DACA and a whole host of other things because they remain scared of the Trump base in any primary fight.”

    -That is odd.

    You think that opposing Trump when he goes back on a campaign promise will make voters mad…..at the Congressperson?

    I see the opposite, if the “deal” is one accepted by Schumer/Pelosi.

  799. NYCmike says:

    My only issue with any immigration reform is this: what will Democrats give up? on which issue will they compromise?

  800. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    808. “-He “conned” a lot of Independents as well, and since that “con” job allowed the voters to send Hillary back to Chappaqua, I am glad to have been part of it!”

    NYCmike, good one!!

  801. NYCmike says:

    SDC,

    I will beat the dead horse: what other items of Cotton/Perdue will the “Republican” Party NOT vote for?

    Yes, the numbers of legal immigrants may be a non-starter.

    Which other item/items?

  802. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    815. “My only issue with any immigration reform is this: what will Democrats give up? on which issue will they compromise?”

    I see it as tight border security, which is beginning to happen. Obama for all intent purposes had allowed open borders, and had limited what border agents could do. The Democrats are continuing to argue for open borders, and you see it in the “sanctuary city” movement.

    If Trump agrees to not build the wall and modified support for DACA, in exchange for tight border security, I see that as a victory.

    The Congressional Republicans could not provide the votes to pass his immigration reforms, so his only alternative was dealing the with Democrats.

  803. CG says:

    My comment about those who will be mad at Trump for doing DACA was not aimed at Robbie at all. It was the same thing I posted, word for word, over at the left-wing blog where I post often (as the only conservative)Some of them seem to rather want something to fight Trump on than doing the right thing policy-wise.

  804. Bitterlaw says:

    Nobody can exceed me in having personal hatred for Donald Trump. he is a truly vile person. However, I do not want him to fail as President. I want the Republicans in Congress and the President to get things done without Democrats helping them. Democrats can never be trusted.

    Personally, I think that Trump will screw over the GOP whenever he feels like it because he is not a Republican. I expect nothing from him but at least I can muster a healthy indifference to him. Robbie is beyond help.

  805. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trump has effectively taken the high ground. Americans strongly support controlling immigration, so the Democrats will be on the defensive if they continue to push for open borders.

    It almost seemed like many Republicans, including their leadership several months ago were colluding with Democrats to try and box Trump in; he just side-stepped the effort and kicked his way back out into controlling the agenda.

  806. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    819. “Some of them seem to rather want something to fight Trump on than doing the right thing policy-wise.”

    That sounds like a blog Robbie would love!

  807. Bitterlaw says:

    Yes, the numbers of legal immigrants may be a non-starter.

    NYC already has his answer but he demands more reasons. I don’t think he understands that when something is a “non-starter” you don’t need more reasons.

  808. CG says:

    Who knew after the entire GOP primary process and the election cycle that “taking the high road” would be something that Trump supporters, newer and old, would brag about?

    I guess it can be said that Trump allowing the DACA kids to say in America permanently is an act of love.

  809. CG says:

    Taking the High Road > Draining the Swamp.

    Can’t even see the swamp from that high of a road. Hugs all around for Chuck and Nancy!

  810. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    I used the word “non-starter” simply because I have been given nothing else, but I have consistently said the numbers allowed is NOT SET IN STONE.

    If there is only one issue that is holding that whole bill back, I would be VERY HAPPY to compromise on that point in return for the other st uff.

  811. NYCmike says:

    Nothing like the “status quo” to make “CG” happy!

    A true “REPUBLICAN”!

  812. Tgca says:

    Awww…Jason and NYC finally make peace. Next they’ll be in the jacuzzi sipping fruity drinks through umbrella straws. Next? Peace between Israel and Palenstine.

  813. CG says:

    NYC would allow 50% of jason to remain in the U.S.

    I wonder which half.

  814. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    820. “I want the Republicans in Congress and the President to get things done without Democrats helping them. Democrats can never be trusted.”

    Unfortunately this is not possible. The House Republicans have been a fractious mess even before Trump; each faction wants all or nothing, so they can never compromise. and little gets passed.

    The Republican Senate has primadonnas, many of whom loath Trump. For example, McCain reversing his 2015 vote to repeal Obamacare several months ago clearly was a vote against Trump. It makes it difficult for Trump to get anything through the Senate with only a 52 seat majority.

    Democrats may not be able to be trusted, but Republicans have issues in that regard as well.

  815. Tgca says:

    There is nothing wrong with Trump reaching out to Dems to cut a deal if his own party leaders can’t do so. Ryan and McConnell have failed to unite their teams and coordinate a strategic solution. If they can’t get anything done, they should step aside and let others try. The American ppl want politicians to work together to craft reasonable legislation. If Trump and Dems can cut a deal that is reasonable, why not?

  816. CG says:

    Just let Trump declare himself as an Independent then and he can govern that way and run for reelection that way (assuming he wants to)

    Plenty of you will support him regardless of the letter next to his name.

  817. Trump says:

    The cretin Robbie still bleating about lifelong Democrat?

    The 3/4-wit hasn’t figured out what “lifelong” means.

  818. CG says:

    Which deal are we talking about?

    DACA- the Republicans are fine with the deal. They like that can keep their distance from it.

    The debt ceiling thing though? It was a complete capitulation to the Democrats. There is no other way to describe it.

  819. Trump says:

    As Trump probably told Mitch and Pual (if he did not, he should have),

    Lead, follow, or get out of the fu ck ing way.

  820. Bitterlaw says:

    Plenty of you will support him regardless of the letter next to his name.

    Not me. I only supported him because of the (R) next to his name even though it was a lie.

  821. Tgca says:

    Mac destroyed his reputation and showed once and for all he is not a reliable Rep. Lets face it, he will be mocked for his political career and not missed by most in the GOP. I wouldn’t put it pass this fool to switch to the Dem party as his last days approach. Another Arlen Specter or Charlie Crist in my eyes. If I don’t get what I want, I’ll betray you all. Wah. Wah. Wah.

  822. Trump says:

    What debt ceiling thing?

    Republicans lost the debt ceiling “fight”.

    In 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2017.

    They didn’t lose in 2014 or 16, because there wasn’t a debt ceiling vote in 2014 or 16.

  823. CG says:

    McCain was absolutely consistent in his votes. They wouldn’t have even had a vote if it were not for him allowing it to go forward by his previous vote.

    The GOP Governor of Arizona, Doug Ducey, opposed the repeal bill and asked his state’s Senators to vote against it. Trump though has not criticized Ducey. He only criticized McCain and Flake, who voted for it.

  824. CG says:

    Quitting is better than losing. Cool theory.

  825. Trump says:

    Does anyone know what a GOP debt ceiling “fight” strategy is?

    Besides curling up and dying, of course.

  826. CG says:

    “If I don’t get what I want, I’ll betray you all.”

    How is that not the same thing that Trump gets praised for?

  827. Bitterlaw says:

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20702682/detroit-lions-fan-posted-racist-message-hands-tickets

    Good for the Lions. Remember. You have the right to be a scumbag racist. You do not have a right to avoid the consequences from a private organization.

  828. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    839. “McCain was absolutely consistent in his votes.”

    He voted to repeal Obamacare in 2015, and against repealing it in 2017. What is your definition of consistency?

  829. CG says:

    He wanted a replacement plan in place. So, if he was in the wrong, he was in the wrong in 2015, along with the others.

    Trump calling a plan “mean” that he wanted people to stick their necks out and vote for was the inconsistent thing.

  830. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    834. “The debt ceiling thing though? It was a complete capitulation to the Democrats. There is no other way to describe it.”

    False. It was a three month extension so that hurricane relief could be quickly approved and distributed. A three month delay is not a capitulation to anyone, it was the act of a president wanting to expedite disaster relief.

  831. Tgca says:

    I don’t defend Mac anymore. He betrayed the GOP too many times over the years to benefit himself. He changed his vote from 2015 to stick it to Trump and the GOP. I could care less about this 80+ selfish fool who does not have the decency to step aside and groom and mentor someone else for his seat that could actually make a difference. Nope. It’s all about him. Like I said, don’t be surprised if he goes all Arlen Specter or Charlie Crist. But the GOP will have the last last because he will never be regarded highly by his peers, after the crocodile tears when he passes.

  832. CG says:

    The hurricane thing was a no brainer. It was going to get approved on its own regardless. It should have been a clean bill.

    It’s just a cheap excuse now. Trump looked at Chuck and Nancy on the Debt Ceiling and agreed to their first offer.

    Nothing will change in that regard in December. They own him.

  833. Tgca says:

    Only a fool would think anyone would own Trump. He has decimated all his opponents and outflanked them numerous times, and you think Pelosi and Schumer will own him? Ha! He took a quick temporary win wth no lasting impact, as well as sending a message to the GOP leadership which seemed to work because they got all riled up about it.

  834. CG says:

    Yes, he gave in to them, just like all the times he declared bankruptcy and was at the mercy of his creditors.

    But if he is your guy, then there really is nothing that anybody can say to you to make you change your mind. You have to go along for the ride.

  835. Tgca says:

    As I said last night, I believe Trump is playing both sides here. He knows by reaching out to the Dems makeS him look centrist, gets him some very temporary decent press, and puts the pressure on GOP leadership. Unfortunately, this backfires for Dems in the long run because their most vocal base is furious. They want no deals with Trump at all. DiFi just had to bacstep after being attacked for making some reasonably positive comments about Trump. So again, I think this is all media play by Trump because he looks good if Dems overreact and push left. He looks good if GOP leadership gets a spanking.

  836. CG says:

    The logic of the “send a message to Republicans” is just astounding though. I realize the people who type it realize it too.

    What is the “message?” “I can become a Democrat.” I hope he does become a Democrat.

    Or its like a kid who’s parents try to make clean his room. He doesn’t want to do it, so he cleans the other rooms! That’ll show them!

  837. Wes says:

    Pete Domenici, father of Adam Laxalt, has passed.

    Domenici entered the Senate in 1973 and served till 2009. He was New Mexico’s longest-serving and most popular Senator and the most durable GOP pol from the state.

    During the 1970s, Domenici fathered current NVAG and gubernatorial candidate Adam Laxalt with Michelle Laxalt, daughter of his then-colleague from Nevada, Paul Laxalt, known affectionately as President Reagan’s “first friend.”

    Domenici was the last Republican to win a Senate race in New Mexico, taking 65% of the vote in 2002. Since then, Democrats have largely dominated the state except for Susana Martinez’ gubernatorial victories and a few row office wins.

  838. Tgca says:

    I voted for Trump over HRC. I was confident he was going to win starting in late Aug because of trends I saw in polls that lasted for a time. I put the emotional analysis aside and focused on some key points that panned out on election night. People were telling me I was crazy. Though no one can ever be confident, I felt he made connections that HRC could not. I believe in spite of what you see in media, he will continue to garner enough support to enact his agenda over time.

  839. Bitterlaw says:

    Careful, haters. I have insulin and I know how to use it.

    http://6abc.com/pharmacist-charged-with-trying-to-kill-ill-mom-with-insulin/2415822/

  840. CG says:

    Sure, he can enact his “agenda” as long as the agenda changes. He seems to understand that concept. Making Chuck and Nancy’s agenda his own, will really make him look like a “winner.”

    The agenda now, on the immigration issue, is no mass deportations and clearly no actual wall, so that’s fine with me. I still think he’s scum.

  841. Wes says:

    Trump might get more support for his agenda in Congress if he’d quit triggering expensive special elections and backing perennial loser Danny Tarkanian’s pointless (unless one actually wants Rosen to be Senator) primary challenge to Dean Heller.

  842. Wes says:

    I can see backing any Republican other than Kelli Ward in the primary against Flake because Flake has made himself toxic in the state. Heller has neither didqualified himself with voters nor been a vocal gadfly against Trump, so I see no point in supporting Tarkanian, who’s had five chances already to prove he can’t win an election.

  843. Tgca says:

    The message is not to the GOP but to the GOP leadership. If you think America is running to the polls in 2018 and 2020 for a Dem platform of more illegal immigration, non-citizen voting, transgender bathroom rights, re-writing history, redistributing wealth, punish people of white ancestry,… Please continue to support that agenda. Let’s see how that works out. Dems got demolished in State legislatures and governorships under Obama, and lost Congress too. Let’s see them win that back with their agenda.

  844. CG says:

    Nothing you are saying makes a bit of sense.

    The Republican leadership never backed any of those things. The “message” is that Trump is prepared to back any of them just to stick it to the Republican leadership.

  845. Wes says:

    On the other hand, if Trump is toxic with voters in 2018 and 2020, the Dems’ agenda may be secondary to a desire by the electorate to take him out. People tend to vote irrationally when they genuinely dislike even a President they recently voted for.

  846. CG says:

    People do cut themselves to make themselves feel better. I think it’s pretty sad. lisab probably will tell us all about it as she probably has experience working with those kids.

    But that’s basically what the Trump Movement is reduced to these days. “We can’t do what was promised, so let’s join up with Democrats to hurt Republicans.”

  847. NYCmike says:

    “Sure, he can enact his “agenda” as long as the agenda changes. He seems to understand that concept. Making Chuck and Nancy’s agenda his own, will really make him look like a “winner.””

    -Can someone let me know……when did the Democrats take over Congress?

    NOT ONE BILL NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO FLOOR FOR A VOTE.

    SIMPLE.

  848. Trump says:

    “We can’t do what was promised, so let’s join up with Democrats to hurt Republicans.”

    Why can’t you do what was promised?

  849. CG says:

    Then not bringing the bills to the floor is to oppose Trump, and then his defenders attack you for that.

    No hurricane relief? Really? Should that have been the GOP answer to Trump-Pelosi-Schumer? Who would that have hurt the most politically?

    (By the way, in the House at least there is something called a discharge petition that if enough Members support it, it can be introduced)

  850. CG says:

    Why can’t Trump do what was promised? (Since that is what we are talking about?)

    Because nearly everything he said in the campaign was a lie.

    What he got done was Gorsuch. He needed McConnell for it.

  851. NYCmike says:

    “Nothing you are saying makes a bit of sense.”

    -Tgca,

    You are making perfect sense.

    “CG” is showing he is just as delusional as Robbie, the only difference is he just acts like “Obama” to Robbie’s imitation of Howard Dean on primary night in Iowa.

  852. NYCmike says:

    “(By the way, in the House at least there is something called a discharge petition that if enough Members support it, it can be introduced)”

    -Yes, if 20 or more Republicans want to join Trump/Schumer/Pelosi…….

  853. CG says:

    Trump doesn’t have at least 20 allies in the House?

    You will attack anyone who does not vote with Trump in Congress and also attack them for voting with him. It makes things quite easy for you.

  854. NYCmike says:

    “Because nearly everything he said in the campaign was a lie.”

    -What is YOUR definition of “nearly everything”?

    He did NOT lie about most of these:

    – Promotes deregulation
    – Rebuilds the military
    – Appoints conservative judges
    – Promotes border security
    – Deports illegal who are criminals
    – Combats terrorism
    – Cuts taxes
    – Promotes energy independence
    – Replaces Obamacare
    – Does SOMETHING to resolve the immigration issue so we can stop losing on it
    – Denounces the MSM as lying, biased, unprofessional scumbags

  855. Tgca says:

    All candidates shift gears between campaigns once they win. Obama lied through his teeth while campaigning, and thereafter, and nearly wrecked the Dem party, pushed them far left, exacerbated race issues, and divided the US more than it’s ever been divided since the civil war. For what? His agenda is either failing (Obamacare) or being dismantled by Trump. So much for bringing the country together and healing as promised in his campaign and inaugural. Short memory I see. Ha!

  856. NYCmike says:

    “You will attack anyone who does not vote with Trump in Congress and also attack them for voting with him.”

    -Keep repeating your idiotic ramblings. It does not make them true.

    When a policy is bad, they should vote against, even if Trump is for it.

    Also, if it is a bill written by Schumer or Pelosi, it should NOT even see the floor of either chamber.

  857. CG says:

    So, the new excuse for Trump apologists is, “hey, Obama did it too.”

  858. Wes says:

    This is encouraging:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/350657-trump-encourages-rick-scott-to-run-for-senate

    How exactly would Bill Nelson make a case against the hero of Irma?

  859. CG says:

    So, if they vote against Trump, and Trump attacks them for it, would you actually criticize Trump for doing so?

    I don’t see that happening. Does anyone?

  860. Robbie says:

    It’s highly unlikely Republicans will lose the Alabama Senate race, but Roy Moore is just the kind of guy who could do it.

    David Mark?
    @DavidMarkDC

    Rep. Mo Brooks (R) Withholds Endorsement, Says Democrat Could Win Ala. Senate Race

  861. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    September 14, 2017 at 3:19 pm
    819. “Some of them seem to rather want something to fight Trump on than doing the right thing policy-wise.”

    That sounds like a blog Robbie would love!

    – LOL! Must protect the Trump.

    It’s Trump who’s picking fights with his own party. Not the other way around.

  862. Wes says:

    I mentioned months sgo HHR has divided into two factions: those who think Trump can do no right and those who think Trump can do no wrong.

    Those who think Trump can do no wrong will blame only Ryan snd McConnell if Trump attacks the congressional GOP for not backing a deal he made with Pelosi and Schumer.

  863. CG says:

    I’ve never voted for a Democrat in my life, but if I lived in Alabama, I might vote for Doug Jones.

  864. Wes says:

    Mo Brooks probably remembers how Fob James fared with an agenda nearly identical to Moore’s in 1998.

  865. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    September 14, 2017 at 2:57 pm
    798. “Robbie, jason and I clearly have our differences of opinions. You clearly have delusional opinions.”

    We are at a point there is some meaningful dialogue between Trump and Congress going on regarding immigration. And Robbie has to spew his anti-Trump hatred out in response. Its really putrid.

    – LOL!

    Old hotness- When it’s McConnell and Ryan negotiating with Obama or Congressional Democrats, they’re RINOs and cucks.

    New hotness- When Trump cuts a deal with Chuck and Nancy to give amnesty to DACA, he’s a great negotiator trying to get things done!

    Believe in Rasmussen polls and you’ll believe in anything I suppose.

  866. Wes says:

    Roy Moore doesn’t seem to understand the First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”

    This was later expanded to the states. Moore tried to respect an establishment of his own religion and was shot down for it. He’s since become the Republican with the lowest winning statewide percentage. That should tell the ALGOP something.

  867. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    September 14, 2017 at 4:30 pm
    On the other hand, if Trump is toxic with voters in 2018 and 2020, the Dems’ agenda may be secondary to a desire by the electorate to take him out. People tend to vote irrationally when they genuinely dislike even a President they recently voted for.

    – This is the point I have been making since the Spring when Trump’s approval rating started to go into the low 40’s.

    If he’s as unpopular on election day as he is now, no one is going to care what Democrats believe. They will vote for Democrats as a way to stick it to Trump.

  868. NYCmike says:

    If Trump “attacks” anyone, they should laugh.

    I never criticized Obama for that, nor did I criticize any other President for verbal lashings.

    If an incumbent representative can’t handle a little verbal criticism from a President, they are clearly NOT a strong, principled person, and should probably be replaced.

  869. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 14, 2017 at 4:31 pm
    “Sure, he can enact his “agenda” as long as the agenda changes. He seems to understand that concept. Making Chuck and Nancy’s agenda his own, will really make him look like a “winner.””

    -Can someone let me know……when did the Democrats take over Congress?

    NOT ONE BILL NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO FLOOR FOR A VOTE.

    SIMPLE.

    – If Trump came out for single payer, Sean Hannity would support it. The compliant Republicans who back Trump will always back Trump.

  870. CG says:

    So, the answer from NYC is no, he will not side against Trump. Anyone who dares to go up against him is on their own.

  871. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    September 14, 2017 at 4:44 pm
    So, the new excuse for Trump apologists is, “hey, Obama did it too.”

    – Trump support is, in many cases, cult-like. They must protect the Trump above all else.

  872. Wes says:

    Robbie has a point. The Trumpkins are like the Cult of Doom from Conan the Barbarian. They will follow wherever their leader directs.

  873. NYCmike says:

    I will side against Trump, in regards to the legislation.

    In regards to a verbal lashing, tell Trump to GFH!

    I would post that Twitchy link any day of the week!

  874. CG says:

    If Trump shoots someone on Fifth Avenue, NYC will ask if the victim had the permission of the Secret Service to be on Fifth Avenue.

  875. NYCmike says:

    “CG”, Robbie, even Wes are worried about our government representatives being “bullied” by Trump…….are you kidding me?!?!

  876. NYCmike says:

    “CG” bringing up Fifth Avenue again……good tiomes!

  877. CG says:

    Mike Cernovich, who is often cited on here in defense of Trump, just tweeted “How Would a Jeb Bush Presidency be any different?”

    On DACA, not at all, but we wouldn’t still have Obmacare.

  878. Wes says:

    No. I know you and the other Trumpkins will lay blame only on Ryan and McConnell if Congress doesn’t pass a deal made by Trump, Pelosi, and Schumer.

  879. Waingro says:

    This guy is a total kook. Not really a fan of Strange, but I definitely support him over this guy.

    andrew kaczynski
    ??Verified account @KFILE

    NEW: In February, Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore said 9/11 could be punishment from God to America:

  880. Wes says:

    I haven’t been highly critical of Trump for much of the year, but this erratic nonsense by the Administrayion needs to stop.

    Be cohesive. Be decisive. Be coherent.

    Trump is fostering nothing like that at the moment, and his followers say Ryan and McConnell are the ones to blame.

  881. CG says:

    There’s new video of Roy Moore saying this year that the 9/11 attacks were G-d’s punishment against America.

    So, basically he’s Fred Phelps.

    But yeah, binary choices and all…

  882. CG says:

    Will Trump tweet in disapproval to Roy Moore?

    Imagine if it was Michael Moore who said it? There would be plenty of Tweets.

  883. Wes says:

    Wain, Moore is a fringe nutjob. He’s also the only person the Dems can hope to beat for a Senate seat they haven’t held in 20 years.

  884. Wes says:

    Maybe Moore has finally made one gaffe too msny.

    God, I hope so.

  885. Waingro says:

    #898, I doubt he does it directly, but this might encourage him to more openly support Strange.

  886. CG says:

    I doubt it hurts Roy Moore much at this point in the runoff. Sarah Palin is still going to campaign for him. Mitch McConnell still endorses Luther Strange. McConnell is the biggest threat facing America today according to some.

    Trump said GWB caused 9/11 and was nominated for President.

  887. NYCmike says:

    I can just envision the Republicans in the House who make a stand against Trump, and then he “bullies” them…..MSNBC will run with video of them crawling into a corner trying to avoid HIS wrath!

    Maddow would be doing that evil laugh noise from He-man!

  888. CG says:

    Maybe I will be wrong, but I will be surprised if Trump ever mentions Luther Strange publicly again before the runoff, or if he does, it will be a “joint endorsement” get out to vote thing. Either way, he’s a “winner.”

  889. Tgca says:

    The defense is not Obama did it too, the defense is that you are holding Trump to standards that you don’t apply to others. So if 100 people jaywalk and you have no issue with that, and then I jaywalk and you go on and on and on about it, that’s an inconsistent standard. I’m putting that out there because you guys keep going on and on one news bite so far when they have not even started the political process.

    Let me make it simple. No modern president has ever run their presidency and kept every promise as they promised in their agenda. Never! Compromise on some items will be required but until we get a final legislation in front of us, folks here prognosticating what lies ahead are just blowing wind. Just like some claimed Trump would not nominate conservative jurists, some will look like fools. Wait until we get the process going to see what actually happens. If Trump does a 100% turn, then you can gloat but I say you risk looking like fools hyperventilating now when the political process has not yet begun.

  890. NYCmike says:

    Thanks Tgca.

    You write very well.

  891. Tgca says:

    Oh, you mean Fred Phelps the democrat?

  892. Tgca says:

    Now let’s discuss ABORTION GODDAMIT!!!

  893. CG says:

    Here are my standards-

    Obama sucked
    Trump sucks

  894. CG says:

    I voted against Obama three times.

  895. Wes says:

    Well, Tg, NYCMike agrees with Dick the Misogynist Bastard Mourdock abortions shouldn’t be available to raped women because God intends pregnancy to result from rape or some such drivel.

  896. lisab says:

    If Trump does a 100% turn, then you can gloat but I say you risk looking like fools hyperventilating now when the political process has not yet begun.
    —————————
    tgca,

    i would add that had trump sent the dreamers packing, the same people would be attacking him for that.

    the truth is, whatever your particular idea of what trump should do about the dreamers, is that he has consistently said he has a great deal of compassion for them.

  897. CG says:

    I praised the SOB on DACA today.

    It’s the people who got conned during the campaign that he was going to deport them (and a few people here last week made it clear they wanted them deported)that should feel dumb.

  898. Tgca says:

    Ok. Replace Obama with any politician. My point is this is all hyperbole by those who appear to want Trump to fail because they dislike him. How is that good for the GOP or the country? Right now, the GOP controls it all but seem divided and unable to get anything done. Does the GOP want 2006 all over again. If the GOP were to lose in 2018 they would come back and whine about how we must all work together and ask the voters to give them a majority to get things done. The GOP leadership needs to get their respective houses in order because most folks will not blame Trump if he’s trying to push through an agenda and congress critters are arguing over silly little points instead of the big pic. It’s like arguing over what color the front door is on the last condo available in a building you wish to move in when 10 people are willing to buy the condo as is.

  899. CG says:

    “Donald Trump: He’s Just Like Any Politician”

    Amazing they didn’t try to run with that slogan

  900. Wes says:

    I remember during the Obama years, Obamabot friends of mine actually tried to atgue nothing was his fault because Obama was naive about how Washington works.

    I facepalmed countless times upon reading or listening their convoluted, poorly argued logic.

  901. Wes says:

    Trumpkins pretty much have the same idea:

    Trump isn’t like every other politician, so everything is someone else’s fault.

  902. Tgca says:

    Wes

    You must be referring to someelse and not me because that is not my philosophy. There are things Trump will do that some in GOP will not like but overall, so far, he is sticking to the agenda I expected. Are their roadbloacks and things slowing down? Yep. Are there things I prefer he focus on and get done? Yep. Will he need to compromise on certain things to get some traction? Yep.

    This is what happens when you’re POTUS. There’s a difference between the agenda you plan and moving it along.

  903. Wes says:

    WhennI’m on here, I often wonder why Bitterlaw has such a fascination with this oversized sewer of a state:

    http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/09/some_juicy_testimony_in_the_never-ending_case_of_s.html

    It must be all the corruption and leftist Democrrats because the incredibly inappropriately nicknamed “Garden State” literally has nothing else to offer.

  904. Tgca says:

    Wes

    You’re wrong on Jersey. Many beautiful places to live that rival other places. If you’re talking Newark, yeah, it’s a dump. West and south Jersey have many nice sprawling areas of land. The obnoxious in your face crowd is mostly NE NJ but there is about 40% that you would not even know were from Jersey if you met them.

  905. NYCmike says:

    HHR editor tells Wes to stop being so wordy, and this is what we ended up with:

    “Well, Tg, NYCMike agrees………such drivel.”

  906. lisab says:

    People do cut themselves to make themselves feel better. I think it’s pretty sad. lisab probably will tell us all about it as she probably has experience working with those kids.
    ———————————————–

    actually many of the teens with trauma i have worked with have cut themselves

    but i side with tgca on this. the anti-trumpers were screaming about melania’s shoes and when trump criticized ALL who committed violence …

    imo they just are still butt-hurt because they were wrong about the election and are not man/woman enough to admit they were wrong

  907. Tina says:

    We need muh russian news.

  908. NYCmike says:

    Earlier, Wes brought up Dick mourdock again…….but made no mention of the Seattle Mayor who resigned under a cloud of child molestation charges……..hmmmmmm.

  909. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    881. “Believe in Rasmussen polls and you’ll believe in anything I suppose.”

    Robbie, what I definitely could not believe in, no matter how much would try, are your ridiculous election predictions. At least your consistent — always wrong.

    You need a refresher course at troll tech.

  910. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    923. “We need muh russian news.”

    Tina, Russia news is old news. After almost 10 months, the trolls have realized the claim the Trump conspired with Russians has gone no where.

    Now their claim is Trump is conspiring with Schumer and Pelosi, and is a secret Democrat.
    Sam nonsense, different players involved in the new great troll conspiracy theory.

  911. Tina says:

    I want the muh russian from the king of fake news here, sdc.

    The drat in drag.

  912. Tina says:

    Orin Hatch wants a 20 perfent corporate rate.

    Rand wants a 15 percent.

    Rand is. Right.

  913. NYCmike says:

    Rand is right because Dems will want 30%, maybe than you can settle at 20-25%.

    Prediction: McCain will be a problem if cuts are “not revenue neutral” or some such DC ridiculousness that will help Democrats.

  914. Tina says:

    Mccain is never a problem. I read it here. Real conservative.

  915. Tina says:

    Apparently house voted to eliminate pp and gave money for a wall.

    Watch real conservatives block it, the same old gang.

  916. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    928. Yes, the article quotes McCain and Lindsey Graham. Am not hearing any criticisms from people I know who supported Trump.

    For those who hate Trump, you have 1223 days, and about 2 hours left of his presidency. Expect to hear about a new health condition known as “troll shock syndrome.”

  917. Tina says:

    The weekly standard is calling trump amnesty don.

    Yet, they were either for jeb or hillary.

  918. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Actually saw the first case of “troll shock syndrome” the other day. A friend of mine who was a Sanders supporter was crawled up in a ball, shaking in the corner. Asked him why, and he said he had just had a dream about the last day of Trump’s presidency. I replied that “it must have been a happy dream” for him. He responded “no, it was a nightmare — the last name of the new president is Kushner.”

    (just kidding)

  919. lisab says:

    Mccain is never a problem. I read it here. Real conservative.
    ————————–

    he voted with the gop on the issue of

    National Cactus Day

  920. Cash Cow TM says:

    drivel

    live Dr.
    Dr. Live
    Dr. Vile
    Dr. Evil

    you pick em.

  921. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz. I grew up in New Jersey. My family lives there. My hometown, Ridgewood, is one of the nicest suburbs in America. I love the beaches. There are corrupt politicians everywhere. Wes can suck it.

  922. Cash Cow TM says:

    STEVE HARVEY FOR PRESIDENT!

    he’s funny
    he’s likable
    he’s black
    he’s a native West Virginian

  923. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca can tell you about Ridgewood. Of course, he grew up in Newark which is….um…not Ridgewood. On the bright side, Newark is not Paterson or Camden.

  924. Bitterlaw says:

    Many farms in the Garden State. Wes has clearly never tasted New Jersey tomatoes. I have not, either, but I hate vegetables. Everybody else I know loves them.

  925. Tina says:

    So now the meme about the disasters and the federal response is:

    Obumblers transition team has done a good job.

  926. Bitterlaw says:

    I did like the North Carolina beaches. Not enough to make the 18 hour round trip ever again but they were nice.

  927. Bitterlaw says:

    Joe Mixon should be in prison. I guess his ability to carry a football outweighed breaking a girl’s jaw.

  928. Wes says:

    Hey, Bitter, since 1972, NC has had 11 Senators while NJ has had 10. During that time, no NC Senators have faced trial on corruption charges–not even the Democrats. Meanwhile, three NJ Senators have been implicated in bribery and corruption charges.

    You were saying about the existence of corrupt pols everywhere?

    Show contempt for the South when you like places where public office and prison aren’t revolving doors for your officeholders.

  929. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The leftists at Harvard have been forced to back down. To his credit, Romney also took an active role in blasted Harvard appointing Manning a fellow.

    “The dean of Harvard’s Kennedy School announced in a late-night statement that Chelsea Manning was disinvited as a visiting fellow after former Acting CIA Director Mike Morell quit in protest.

    “Senior leaders have stated publicly that the leaks by Ms. Manning put the lives of U.S. soldiers at risk,” Morrell wrote in a letter to dean Douglas Elmendorf. “The Kennedy School’s decision will assist Ms. Manning in her long-standing effort to legitimize the criminal path that she took to prominence, an attempt that may encourage others to leak classified information as well.”

    Morell said he had “an obligation to my conscience — and I believe to the country — to stand up against any efforts to justify leaks of sensitive national security information.”

    While serving in the Army, Manning passed nearly 750,000 classified or sensitive documents to WikiLeaks, and in August 2013 was sentenced to 35 years in prison for violations of the Espionage Act and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, as well as other charges. President Obama commuted her sentence and she was released on May 17.”

  930. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It is now widely believed in Utah that Orrin Hatch will not run for re-election, and that Romney will run for his seat. A recent poll indicated Romney would win 64%-26% over a likely Democratic opponent.

  931. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The open Congressional seat in Utah will be filled in a special election on November 7th. As certain posters on the board have assured us, the backlash against Trump is so strong that seats everywhere are competitive for the Democrats.

    Here is a just released Dan Jones poll of the Utah special election:

    Curtis, Rep 50.17%
    Allen, Dem 19.82%
    Bennett, United Utah 5.59%
    Buchman, Lib 2.78%
    Chistensen, AI .99%
    Whalen, Unaffiliated .99%
    Undecided 17.70%

  932. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Zzzzzzzzzzzz. If I like a place, the politicians are irrelevant.

    There are no corrupt politicians anywhere in the South? Interesting.

  933. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Bitter
    Your hatred for everything “South” is damning and unbecoming.
    Then again your hatred for the NY Mets,as you have repeatedly stated,in large part, is due to the team’s childish mascot and corny fight song.
    You would feel better if you chilled.

  934. Bitterlaw says:

    I hate the Mets because they are in the same division as the Phillies. However, the song and mascot also suck.

  935. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Bitter
    Why the animosity to the “South”?

  936. Bitterlaw says:

    Even ignoring its traitorous slave-owning past, I have other reasons:

    1. The weather sucks. I like 4 distinct seasons. The South has 2 at most – Blazing hot Summer and a few weeks of what it calls winter (which would barely pass for a cool Autumn here).

    2. The fake friendliness. Only in the South could they say “Bless his heart” to mean “He’s an idiot.” At least where I live you know when people hate you.

    3. The accent. I do not find it pleasant or appealing.

    4. I prefer the NFL to college football. In the South, that is probably heresy.

  937. Bitterlaw says:

    Despite stories like this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4887032/Explosion-underground-train-south-London.html

    I would love to live in London. Of course, being indifferent to death is a plus given recent events in the UK.

  938. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Bitter #954
    Your reasons are pretty feeble,but bless your heart,Sugar! Your #2 reason is dead wrong and obnoxious. The other three(3) “excuses” are puerile.

    Maybe one of these days, you will confess your real reason(s).

  939. Bitterlaw says:

    Considering that I gave you 5 reasons (the 4 listed plus the evil history of the South), I don’t need more reasons. Those are the real reasons. If you need more, GFY.

  940. CG says:

    John Edwards went on trial

  941. Bitterlaw says:

    Uh oh. Wes is going to have to work hard to find some place to move where there are no corrupt politicians. North Carolina is pretty clean but probably not pure enough for Saint Wes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes

  942. Bitterlaw says:

    I agree with Wes that New Jersey does excel in corruption. Go big or go home.

    Politics, politicians, and tax rates have zero influence on where I would choose to live. I just need great schools within 2 hours of the New Jersey beaches and I am set.

  943. Bitterlaw says:

    Sheeple – What are my “real” reasons? This should be entertaining.

  944. Tina says:

    Anything on the muh russian front?

  945. Tina says:

    There is a cute picture of the president walking with a boy cutting the lawn of the WH.

  946. Tina says:

    Goober and all smoke, but no fire, gowdy, have threatened to subpoena comedy.

  947. lisab says:

    bombing in london

    probably climate change deniars

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