Three Polls Show Close Gov Race in VA, Quinnipiac Disagrees

A slew of polls for the Virginia gubernatorial race have come out over the last week and we will start with Fox News, which shows the race as a dead-even tie among likely voters.

Ralph Northam (D) 42%
Ed Gillespie (R) 42%
Cliff Hyra (L) 1%

This poll was done September 17-18 among 507 registered voters. Among all registrered voters, Northam leads 42%-38%. Meanwhile, Suffolk University shows the race also as a dead-heat tie among likely voters.

Ralph Northam (D) 42%
Ed Gillespie (R) 42%
Cliff Hyra (L) 3%

Thus poll was done September 13-17 among 500 likely voters. In this poll, Hyra voters are shown leaning 62%-23% in favor of Gillespie. Meanwhile, Mason-Dixon, which has the race at a single-percentage-point lead for Ralph Northam.

Ralph Northam (D) 44%
Ed Gillespie (R) 43%
Cliff Hyra (L) 2%

This poll was done September 10-15 among 625 registered voters. We do have one pollster who is going against the grain and that would be Quinnipiac University, which currently pegs the race as a double-digit lead for Northam.

Ralph Northam (D) 51%
Ed Gillespie (R) 41%
Cliff Hyra (L) 3%

This poll was done September 14-18 among 850 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 12:32 pm
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384 Responses to “Three Polls Show Close Gov Race in VA, Quinnipiac Disagrees”

  1. GPO says:

    repost from end of last thread-

    Agree 100 % – been saying this from beginning- jail not good enough for these scum

  2. NYCmike says:

    I guess I should prepare to instantly become a Cliff Hyra fan, once Wes sees these polls.

  3. Tom says:

    First! 1&2, you snooze you lose.

  4. Tina says:

    The muh russians are coming

    Paula loon clinton

  5. Tina says:

    The story suggests the monitoring started in the summer or fall, and extended into early this year. While Mr. Manafort resigned from the campaign in August, he continued to speak with Candidate Trump. It is thus highly likely that the FBI was listening to the political and election-related conversations of a leading contender for the White House. That’s extraordinary—and worrisome.

    Mr. Comey told Congress in late March that he “had no information that supports those [Trump] tweets.” Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper was even more specific that “there was no such wiretap activity mounted against—the President-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign.” He denied that any such FISA order existed. Were they lying?

  6. Tina says:

    Clapper and comedy liars.

  7. Sean says:

    Gillespie wins, Trump goes bonkers claiming a mandate, and then Gillespie becomes one of the most critical Republican governors…. you heard it….

  8. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Robbie has a soul mate in Maxime Waters.

    “Closing, she said, “And I know my colleagues get very upset. Some get afraid when I say ‘impeachment,’” she told the cheering mourners.

    “When I get through with Donald Trump, he’s going to wish he had been impeached!” Waters yelled, pointing at the crowd.

    “I feel it very deeply — I am so offended by him and I love my people so much I’m not gonna put up with it.

    “I’m gonna say ‘Impeach 45 everyday,’ ‘Impeach 45 everyday,’ ‘Impeach 45 everyday,’” she said during the eulogy.”

  9. NYCmike says:

    “and then Gillespie becomes one of the most critical Republican governors”

    -Critical of what……the over-spending by “conservative Congressional Republicans”?

  10. Phil says:

    What a beautiful and loving eulogy.

  11. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    13. It was for Dick Gregory, am sure his friends and family appreciated it.

  12. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “California to sue to stop border wall”.

    There already is a border wall along most the California border between San Diego and Yuma. Its been there for over a decade. Does the California lawsuit want it taken down?

    “On Wednesday, President Donald Trump ordered the “immediate construction” of a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Memo to the White House from San Diego: Done.

    While Trump has portrayed this as a bold new initiative, reinforced fences have marked the border for decades. Today, they snake across one-third of the border — including 46 miles of the 60-mile boundary between San Diego County and Mexico.

    “For somebody who lives in San Diego, we understand we already have a wall,” said Alejandra Castañeda, a Clairemont resident who researches immigration at Tijuana’s El Colegio de la Frontera Norte. “Not only one wall, but a triple wall in some areas.”

    Last year, The San Diego Union-Tribune published a series called “On the border wall.” It examined our wall, its history and its impact on both sides of the international divide.”

  13. NYCmike says:

    California should sue to stop the tunnels being built…….by Mexican cartels.

  14. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    There are two sides to the claim that football causes brain injury. Here is an article by someone who questions it:

    “I’m a brain scientist and I let my son play football”

    Two excerpts:

    “Before I began this journey, football was banned in my house. I wouldn’t even watch it on TV because I didn’t want my son to see it and develop a desire to play. Despite my efforts, he discovered football via a video game. He immediately fell in love with the sport and I was forced to do some serious soul searching: Should I allow him to pursue his interest and play?
    Honestly, I was scared of CTE.”


    “The study population in the most recent CTE paper represents a biased sample, as stated by the authors themselves. This means only the brains of self-selecting people who displayed neurological symptoms while living were studied. This is important because this sample was not a reflection of the general football population. The study was based on 202 brains out of the millions of people who’ve played football – 111 of which are former NFL players.
    So, when you hear “99 percent of football players had CTE,” that doesn’t mean that almost every football player will get CTE, and it doesn’t mean your child has a 99-percent chance of developing CTE if he or she plays football. It means 99 percent of a specifically selected study sample had some degree of CTE; not 99 percent of the general football population. This is an important distinction.”

  15. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Perhaps we should do a comparative risk study of allowing a 16-year old to play football versus obtaining a driver’s license?

  16. Phil says:


    Yeah, I know who it was for and, yes, they no doubt ate it up.

  17. brucefdb says:

    19….that’s good.

  18. Wes says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 20, 2017 at 1:20 pm
    “and then Gillespie becomes one of the most critical Republican governors”

    -Critical of what……the over-spending by “conservative Congressional Republicans”?

    I told you guys Mikey wants only Deadenders to win primaries.

  19. Wes says:

    If Gillespie wins, Republicans will reverse the tide in VA. Mikey csn’t have that. Cuccinelli must retroactively have the nomination declared boid so a convention of fools from the Star Wars canyina scene csn pick Cuccinelli over Gillespie and help Northam retsin the Governor’s Mansion gor the Demd.

  20. Wes says:







    I’m a horrible speller today.

  21. NYCmike says:


    This is a serious question: Are you ok?

    Is the wedding pressure so intense that your brain is fried, and you just makes things up out of thin air?

    There is help out there…..I am sure lisab could suggest a good therapist…….or priest…..

  22. NYCmike says:

    “I’m a horrible speller today.”

    -It makes no sense whether correct or incorrect spelling…..

  23. NYCmike says:

    Hillary is “Paula” Revere.

    Walt may have known her personally after all!

  24. Wes says:

    Mikey’s candidate for Senate in Alabama, people:

    Strange must win the nomination to ensure Dick McAkin can’t lose an Alabama Senate seat to a Democrat.

  25. Tina says:

    Hillary is

    Loon Revere.

  26. NYCmike says:

    -Instapundit had this story linked – just plain stupid and tone-deaf.

  27. NYCmike says:

    Heh….Roy Moore is now my candidate as well.

    🙂 Can’t make this stuff up……but you can make up wedding dates.

    Wes, would you like to have a Utah-Mike Lee-style-nominating convention in Alabama? Get those trains (voters) to run on YOUR time??

  28. Bitterlaw says:

    L’shanah tovah to Corey. Have a great 5778.

    The rest of us have work tomorrow.

  29. Bitterlaw says:

    Good news, Robbie! The world might end on Saturday. You won’t have to worry about President Trump any more.

    On the downside for you, JEB! will be gone, too.

  30. Wes says:

    Mikey, I never advocated replacing primaries with conventions. I do, however, reserve the right to be critical of Deadenders and hope Republicanx will pick viable csndidates in the ptimaries.

  31. Tina says:

    The recent wiretap news cannot be correct.

    I read here that there was no wiretappoing going out there

  32. BRENT says:

    Ed Gillespie (R is probably ahead by a couple of points

  33. NYCmike says:

    I reserve the right to be critical of any person who runs for office, and hope Republicans will pick viable candidates in the primaries.

    I reserve the right to believe that any Republican would be better than any Democrat in a race having national implications.

    I reserve the right to sometimes choose a candidate who may lose, since I am not all-knowing like Wes.

    I hope that Wes will stop taking his ball and go home every other Presidential election.

  34. NYCmike says:

    Re-weigh the polls!


  35. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    32. “Wes, would you like to have a Utah-Mike Lee-style-nominating convention in Alabama?”

    You notice that Utah went to a primary system after Lee got the convention nomination. The Republican candidate for the special election congressional seat won the primary; the nominating convention went with another candidate.

  36. NYCmike says:

    San Diego,

    I was being sarcastic.

    Ever since Wes asked the mother of his latest child to marry him, he has been taking certain issues, such as my affinity for primaries, as proof of support for any challenger, usually one that he does NOT approve of.

    While I like Mike Lee and would want more men/women like him, I have no preference how each state/party decides to elect their representatives, as long as the rules are known to all aspirants well in advance of any votes being cast.

  37. Tina says:

    Nbc sources report trump is close to ending the iran deal.

  38. Tina says:

    If he ends the iran deal, i bet some of the real,cons against the iranian deal under the presidency of obumbler, will then be for it.

    See possibly mccain, flake, goober..

  39. Phil says:

    Moore would probably win a GE but his nomination opens the door just a bit for the Democratic nominee to have a chance – which in Alabama is ridiculous.

    Moore is the ghost of Akin.

  40. Phil says:

    Ending the Iranian deal?

    No big thing. Why, Jeb would have ended it as well, er, not so much.

  41. Tina says:

    Gowdy: Do you recall any U.S. ambassadors asking that names be unmasked?

    Brennan: I don’t know. Maybe it’s ringing a vague bell but I’m not — I could not answer with any confidence.

    Gowdy continued, asking: On either January 19 or up till noon on January 20, did you make any unmasking requests?

    Brennan: I do not believe I did.

    Gowdy: So you did not make any requests on the last day that you were employed?

    Brennan: No, I was not in the agency on the last day I was employed.

    Lol,, brennan may e ringing a bell.

  42. Tina says:

    I would not trust brennan or clapper to say the truth.

  43. jason says:

    Wobbie hardest hit..

    “In this week’s POLITICO/Morning Consult poll, Trump was at 80 percent approval among Republican voters — up from 73 percent at his low-water mark. Among independents, Trump has bounced 5 percentage points, from 35 percent to 40 percent. Trump’s approval rating was virtually unchanged among Democratic voters, however.

    “Trump’s post-Charlottesville plunge proved to be short-lived, and his approval has stabilized,” said Morning Consult Co-founder and Chief Research Officer Kyle Dropp. “A key driver of this movement appears to be independents. Immediately after Charlottesville, 35 percent of independent voters approved of Trump, and 58 percent disapproved. In this latest poll, that has risen to 40 percent approval and 52 percent disapproval.”

  44. jason says:

    The change in Indy sentiment is remarkable…

    35/58 is 23 pts
    40/52 is 12 pts

    That’s a big shift.

  45. Tina says:

    Manaforts lawyer calling formthe wiretaps to be released.

    Is he bluffing?

  46. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    41. Mike Lee is a good man. At the time the Utah Republican Party needed to be shaken up a bit. Hopefully Hatch retires and Romney is his replacement.

  47. NYCmike says:

    Robbie to call Sharyl Attkisson a “Trump-apologist” in 3…..2……1……

    “CG” to say Sharyl Attkisson would NOT investigate Trump if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue in 3…2…..1…..

  48. Tina says:

    We need some new muh russian news.

  49. JC says:

    As I’ve said before, I agree with PDT’s decision to support Strange for one reason.

    Whether he wins or looses, he will still be senator for the rest of the year. He will vote on healthcare. He will vote on taxes. He will vote on immigration. In a situation where every vote counts, why risk loosing an ally due to a bitter loss?

    I have no idea if Strange would vote against the president just out of petty revenge. But I know McCain did. I know others have.

    Moore, despite being off-putting, is more ideologically grounded. So Trump not supporting him in the primary wont cost him a vote. And should he beat Strange, Trump will offer his full support in the general to soothe over relations.

  50. NYCmike says:

    Well stated, JC.

  51. Phil says:

    McCain is the poster child for “petty”.

    Doubt anyone else is going to act like McCain.

  52. BRENT says:

    as long as jeff session is a/g nobody will be prosecuted!!! jeff session was a swamp plant and thats why lois lerner is getting off with no charges,same will happen to koskinen,hillary will not get a special council and the unmasking scandal will be swept away with no charges either imo


  53. Bitterlaw says:

    The Vietnam War is an excellent series. It is pretty balanced but leans left. It does not portray the Americans as demons or the VC or Noth Vietnamese as saints. (Unlike the American Civil War between the virtuous Union and evil Confederacy). Communist atrocities are detailed. It focuses on the known history as well as individual stories – sometimes troops involved in the same battle on opposite sides.

    Of course, Jason won’t watch it.

  54. janz says:

    Morning Consult had another poll asking how many Hillary voters regretted their 2016 vote, as well as how many Trump voters regretted their’s. 9% regretted voting for Trump vs 13% who wanted to redo their Hillary vote. As they say, the more she talks the more people dislike her. And, on this book tour she has been making an absolute fool of herself!

    My husband has been glued to the Vietnam series. IMO, it has been fairly balanced, except for showing how much political “ego” was involved in keeping the war going.

  55. Tina says:

    Clapper now ad,its president trump’s voice possibly recorded on wiretaps.

    Lol, clapper. Are you now doncerned with making false statements and impeding?

  56. Bitterlaw says:

    Janz- I don’t know what to think about that war. In the context of the Cold War, it made sense to stop the Communists. In hindsight, who can say? The war could have been fought differently. Maybe the outcome would have been different. Maybe not.

  57. Wes says:

    Jim Justice endorses Joe Manchin for reelection.


    That said, I don’t know if Justicd actually helps Manchin by endorsing him. The Governor wasn’t overwhdlmingly popular when elected and hasn’t been astoundingly popular since whether as a Republican or as a Democrat.

  58. Wes says:

    66 comes from the same guy bobs his head along with his fellow jingoists about the absolute necessity of the 2003 Gulf War despite the obvious fact that that war was based on lies and excuses and had some of the worst planning and execution of any war in recent history.

  59. Tina says:

    It was just possible, you know.

    Just possible.

  60. Bitterlaw says:

    68 comes from a guy who described slavery as simply “wrong” and wanted the Confederacy to win. He is also incapable of enduring 4 seasons.

  61. Wes says:

    One of us doesn’t spend all day every day obsessing over a war that happened over 150 years ago. The other of us needs to get over the fact that the side he wanted to win won.

  62. NYCmike says:

    “The other of us”

    -Wes the Wordsmith!

  63. NYCmike says:

    “Jim Justice endorses Joe Manchin for reelection.”

    -Not a surprise at all.

    He actively pushed Democratic policies. He is a Democrat at heart.

    The Republican Party should have shunned him.

  64. Cash Cow TM says:

    “…The Republican Party should have shunned him.”

    Republicans don’t shun.

    That is the Amish.

  65. NYCmike says:

    -Wrong decision.

    But thanks for telling us now, rather than later.

    What are the 3 or 4 others waiting for?

    Whoring for a better deal?

  66. NYCmike says:

    I thought the Amish only shun other Amish.

    As Republicans, we have no such rules about shunning.

    We shun, shun, shun all the way home! Like the little piggies!

    Or until Daddy takes the T-Bird away!

  67. NYCmike says:

    -Something has got to come out of this….NO?

    Where is Rudy G.?

    I want him leading out the Dems (and maybe some Republicans) in their perp walks!

  68. jason says:

    Of course, Jason won’t watch it.”

    Again, you don’t have to eat a whole egg to know its bad.

    I saw the “lead” into one of the segments.

    Basically it was about how the Vietnam War “changed the way Americans view patriotism”, code for the left’s justification for scumbags like Kaepernick.

    But I am glad you enjoyed it.

  69. jason says:

    Moore is a deadender moron. An idiot.

    “Ideologically grounded” my ass.

    He would be a horrible embarrassment to Rs.

    Maybe he could win the GE in AL but I certainly would not vote for him.

    A really repulsive and loathsome person.

  70. Walt says:

    I predicted that Gov. Justice would endorse Manchin.

    Whether Justice had a D or an R after his name.
    The more present and pressing issue in WV is a special election to approve Gov. Justice $1.6B Road Bond measure.

    In their summer meeting, the GOP State Executive committee (over a hundred people people from all 55 counties) unanimously came out in opposition to the road bond which will be voted on on Oct. 7.

    Republican lawmakers are split. Some favor and some oppose for various reasons–including they say they don’t trust the governor, don’t trust the WV DOH, recent past corruption in the WV DOH, conspiracy theories from the far far rightists, and the state version of the Freedom Caucus is actively opposing.

    Democrat lawmakers are split. Some are still butt hurt over Justice switching from D to R, and some are butt hurt over D Gov. Justice harsh words directed at D legislators.

    I favor it.

    The assumed interest rate on the bond will be about 3% or so. The annual rate of inflation on road construction in about 5%. We can build the infrastructure now for ultimately less money and pay back with inflated dollars.

    WV voters have only rejected two state road bond proposals. Both times were during bad economic times. WV is in bad economic times. Some WV counties recently voted down school bond issues put before them.

    Unions and businesses both have come out in favor.
    Outcome will be determined by turnout (which will probably be about 15%), and which geographic sections of state have biggest turnout.
    If it fails…Justice gets another black eye.

    If it passes…Justice’s political stock rises and his endorsement of Manchin becomes more important.

    Manchin is “smooth” and still well liked by many Rs in WV. He has more charisma than anyone since Sen. Robert Byrd.

    Rep. Jenkins and WV AG Morrisey primary battle will also suck money away from whoever wins the primary and could leave both Rs bloodied and the winner damaged going into the 2018 GE.

  71. NYCmike says:

    ““Ideologically grounded” my ass.”

    -Aliens from outer space are reading this and saying….”these A-Holes are complex characters!”.

  72. Cash Cow TM says:

    Was the Vietnam War series on last night?

    I was helping Walt clean the garage and his workbench until 11 p.m.
    If it was on last night, did it cover any action in the A Shau Valley?

  73. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Three Polls Show Close Gov Race in VA…”

    Three polls diverge
    in a woods I know
    and I took the one less traveled.

  74. Tina says:

    I cannot support moore. He refused to listen twice to judicial opinions.

    I believe in the rule of laws.

    Unlike some real coms, i wont aupport antifa or thugs breaking up a chicago rally in 2016.

  75. Cash Cow TM says:

    In the Vietnam War episode on Tuesday, I was amazed the commander of the base in the highlands that was under assault and outnumbered by a huge number of VC/NVA grabbed a journalist who was there and showed him how to operate a machine gun.

    Journalist said he was a civilian, and commander said there are no civilians here. Told the journalist to fire at the little brown men outside the wire. Don’t shoot the little brown men (Montgard tribesmen allies) inside the wire–they belong to me.

  76. Cash Cow TM says:


    YOKO NO-NO: Beatles widow sues drink maker selling lemonade called John Lemon…
    Cow wants to know does she have a leg to stand on?
    Or is her law suit all sour?

  77. NYCmike says:

    -Since Robbie doesn’t know, and won’t read, Surber’s columns, we won’t get any reaction to this from him.

    Too bad!


  78. NYCmike says:

    -Odd numbers considering what you hear on the news all day…..

  79. Trump says:

    DFP had to retract their call for Hillary on election night.

  80. NYCmike says:

    -Another reason why Trump was the correct choice last November.

    We are finding out a lot of things about how our government works under a Democrat President…..not that Robbie, “CG”, Wes would care about this abuse of power by those in office.

  81. DW says:

    Just checking in. Been really busy.

  82. NYCmike says:

    Hello, DW.

    You have not missed much…….can you see Robbie’s panties in a wad in the corner?

  83. NYCmike says:

    -Looks like the WAPO, one of Robbie’s favorite publications, is continuing its agenda-driven publishing.

  84. NYCmike says:

    -I’ll give Graham some credit here, as he is a very good politician.

    One observation: it seems to me like he did NOT want Cassidy to say too much, and wanted the interview to end rather quickly.

  85. NYCmike says:

    -This was interesting: “This may have been Trump’s finest speech as president. Written by Stephen Miller, Trump’s senior policy adviser, it was clear about the president’s objectives and concise about how he and any nations that wish to join him might hope to achieve them.”

  86. Waingro says:


    This from valeria plame? Ia this legit?”

    Yes it’s legit, and she is making an even bigger fool of herself trying to spin it off.

  87. NYCmike says:

    “So true. They are infinitely worse than the Dems with Obamacare passage. A total joke. Cassidy and Graham are hypocrites.”

    -Guess who wrote this.

  88. NYCmike says:

    “Memo to Ron Johnson – you are a hypocrite. If the D’s pulled this crap, you would be going crazy. Have you given up all principal?”


    Or principle?

  89. NYCmike says:

    VA debate? How did Gillespie do?

  90. Tina says:

    Hi de, miss your posts.

  91. GPO says:

    # 97 might be Grahams finest moment as senator

  92. Bitterlaw says:

    Just checking in. Been really busy.


  93. jason says:

    There’s a lot that I agree with in this article. Much of it mirrors my views during the primaries.

    But in the end, you have to play the hand you are dealt with.

    I would rather play that hand than fold to the Dems.

  94. Tina says:

    Does hillary denounce valeie plame?

  95. NYCmike says:


    Agree somewhat, but in all of these articles, I see a lack of awareness about what would have happened under a Clinton Presidency. They keep going back to the “party of Trump” BS. I just don’t see that.

    In my view, and I have said this before, the main problem has been the lack of conservative legislation coming out of Congress. Trump would have signed any bills that re-enforced his image as a deal-maker.

    Others disagree…..going forward will be interesting.

  96. lisab says:

    how crazy has Robbie been today?

  97. Cash Cow TM says:

    Walt has finished vacuuming, dusting and other chores.

  98. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Donald J. Trump?@realDonaldTrump
    “Senator Luther Strange has gone up a lot in the polls since I endorsed him a month ago. Now a close runoff. He will be great in D.C.”

    If you get blamed for everything, might as well take credit for everything too.

  99. Cash Cow TM says:

    If you re watching the Vietnam war series, have they interviewed anyone named James Strauss?

  100. Cash Cow TM says:

    I was away and missed the first part of the Vietnam War series tonight.

    Did they cover anything in the A Shau valley?

  101. Phil says:

    I see some of our NFL social justice warriors have demanded that Commissioner Goodell and Executive VP of football operations Try Vincent make November NFL Social Activism Awareness Month. They want the league to sanction, promote, and financially support it.

    No doubt MSESPN will be all in. Yeah, NFL, do it! Just do it! Fantastic idea!

    It is like some of these guys are just sitting around brainstorming ways to further tank the ratings. The league reminding white guys watching football on Sundays what a racist country they live in is the ticket alright. They won’t do it of course. Goodell has no spine but he isn’t stupid, let alone suicidal.

    Over and under on the ratings drop in November if they were stupid enough to do this? I’ll start the bidding at minus 20 percent ratings drop.

  102. wvally says:

    Why do the Rams look like they’re wearing jammies?

  103. Tina says:

    Differences between the obumbler and trump,at the un.

  104. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
    The greatest influence over our election was the Fake News Media “screaming” for Crooked Hillary Clinton. Next, she was a bad candidate!




    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
    The Russia hoax continues, now it’s ads on Facebook. What about the totally biased and dishonest Media coverage in favor of Crooked Hillary?

  105. Tina says:

    I think the bottom tweet is going to triggee the jebots and russian loons.

  106. NYCmike says:


    And Congress won’t be able to go to work today, either.

  107. NYCmike says:

    I call BS on the Aaron Hernandez CTE story. Screw him, his family, his lawyers.

    Go away, and take responsibility for the actions he took when alive. You got your money from the Patriots (I think the family did, anyway). Go away now.

  108. Wobbie says:

    What about the totally biased and dishonest Media coverage in favor of Crooked Hillary?”

    Distractions, distractions.

    Trump commented on Mika’s facelift. That’s the real scandal.

  109. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Here is the GOP’s Golden Boy for the WI Senate seat in 2018. I am conflicted about this guy.

  110. NYCmike says:

    “Yes, I know. Donald Trump is impulsive, vain, profane, shallow, loudmouthed, inconsistent, and overbearing. But when you look at him through a pinhole, so to speak, you can see that in his way he loves the country; that his instincts run to smaller government, lower taxes, and respect for the Constitution; and that he has surrounded himself with many serious and accomplished people. Who knows? A lot of good may yet come of this strange moment.”

    -Bitterlaw, to avoid you having to repeat yourself, we all know how much you despise him and how terrible a person he is!

  111. wvally says:

    Seems like he’ll be a super mainstream, establishment type republican, which is par for the course in Wisconsin, no?

  112. wvally says:

    Referring to Nicholson in Sheeples link

  113. wvally says:

    I find it hilarious that the Dems interviewed about Nicholson think the fact that he was a Dem in college and pro abortion then, before he served 2 tours in Iraq,got married and had kids, and changed his mind, is something they could use against him in a general election. So silly. If anything, that would be a weakness from the right, certainly not a weakness from the middle.

  114. NYCmike says:


    At this point, I trust the Fitgerald guy quoted at the end of the article, since he has actively worked with Scott Walker to turn that state around for its citizens, and for Republicans.

    Nicholson may be all that he is made out to be, but it would not hurt him to lose the primary to someone else this time (who hopefully can beat Baldwin), and plan for the next election when Ron Johnson retires.

  115. wvally says:

    I’m a Marxist-Feminist Slut—How Do I Find an Open Relationship?

    Monogamy feels antithetical to the type of feminism and anticapitalism I subscribe to…

    But ALL the decent men I’ve dated are really opposed to open relationships, while the men I’ve slept with who say they fancy the idea don’t ever stick around long enough for the “relationship” part of an open relationship. ?

  116. NYCmike says:

    Jimmy Kimmel, healthcare expert, won’t acknowledge Ben Shapiro’s request for a debate on that very topic……and the media won’t acknowledge Shapiro either.

  117. Waingro says:

    More reason to vote/root for Strange:

    Senator Rand Paul?Verified account @RandPaul 3h3 hours ago

    Good to see @MooreSenate gets it. He won’t vote for fake repeal! Roy Moore Speaks Out Against Graham-Cassidy.

  118. lisab says:

    -Bitterlaw, to avoid you having to repeat yourself, we all know how much you despise him and how terrible a person he is!

    i have tried to have this discussion with a transgendered younger friend of mine, not about trump but about that guy in goodle who said women think differently and this harms them in the computer fields.

    my friend was completely focused on the young man in google and how bad a person he was and considered his message completely bigoted and thus refuses to even discuss the ideas — because the ideas must be bigoted if the man is a bigot.

    which means that you can never discuss the merits, or lack thereof, of the idea that women may socialize differently than men … which of course is a not what a transgendered person would like to hear, because that makes it difficult for them to be women

  119. NYCmike says:

    Sounds like McCain has struck again!

    Now, he needs a bipartisan bill along with a CBO score.

    But he is not to be criticized!

  120. NYCmike says:

    Once again, we see that you either go BOLD, or else we are relegated to Domocratic policies.

  121. lisab says:

    found robbie/cg’s twitter account

    Matt Passet?Verified account

    4 months old, still telling my son the woman being interviewed is President Hillary Clinton. May he never have a memory of a President Trump

  122. SoHope says:

    *uck McCain

  123. SoHope says:

    There is no bipartisan fixing of Obamacare…just bailing it out. We are stuck with a imploding Obamacare and a pissed off base that will likely punish the GOP for failing to act on any type of repeal once we finally had control of Congress and the White House. We are genuinely screwed.

  124. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The fiasco taking place among Senate Republicans now regarding Obamacare explains why Trump is talking with Schumer and Pelosi. You cannot herd cats.

    McCain is clearly not going to do anything that will help Trump, even when it benefits the country. He has a right to be angry over the things Trump said in the campaign about him, but appears to be reversing his previous Obamacare repeal vote out of spite against Trump. His legacy now will focus on him being a cranky, vindictive old man, who often made stupid choices — Palin was an example.

  125. Wes says:

    Never fear, Mikey, for I have found your ideal candidate for Wisconsin Senate:

    Eric Hovde is his name.

    Who is Hovde? You ask.

    Well, Hovde challenged Tommy Thompson in the 2012 primary. He claimed Tommy Thompson was insufficiently conservative.

    I know, I know. Being able to win an election automatically makes one insufficiently conservative for you and your Deadender ilk. That’s thd only way the Governor who invented welfare reform could possibly be insufficiently conservative to anyone.

    In any event, Hovde–an elitist conservative millionaire as opposed to the leftist types normally found in Wisconsin–nuked Thompson, running a vitriolic campaign and forcing the former Governor to drain his campaign account before the general election.

    Meanwhile, Tammy Baldwin had an uncontested primary.

    When she and Thompson faced off, she easily outspent him and won 51-45.

    That was your Deadenders at work, Mikey.

    In any event, I imagine an endorsement by you of Hovde after this recap of recent history in the Badger State is sure to appear quickly.

    Deadenders must unite to ensure real Republicans lose Senate races after all.

  126. wvally says:

    Sebastian Gorka Welcomed To Halfway House For Fired Trump Administration Members

    This pic is just funny. Pretty good photoshop.

  127. Jonesy says:

    Tax reform will never pass either. McCain, Collins, Murkowski will never help Trump win anything.

    Rand Paul will get on his pedestal and say it is not pure enough. F the GOP Senate it is worthless except for Judges.

    Hard to hold the House now, without any true legislation

  128. lisab says:

    Illegal immigrant, 32, ‘breaks into New Jersey home and sexually assaults six-year-old girl in her bed’

  129. Jonesy says:

    147. No Worries Lisa. McDonald’s will hire him

  130. Jonesy says:

    McCain, Collins, and Murkowski have formed a block that will make sure nothing gets passed.

    Sad day in America when a 81 year old sickly man still seeks petty revenge, and screws the country in the process

  131. janz says:

    “His legacy now will focus on him being a cranky, vindictive old man, who often made stupid choices”

    That’s exactly what will be the legacy John McCain will leave behind. I personally was shocked he wouldn’t support a bill his best Senate friend co-sponsored, and that the governor of his state was behind. He virtually has no excuses except his bitterness towards Trump that is hidden behind his so-called “conscience.”

    What a creep!

  132. janz says:

    As for Rand Paul, his sanctimonious, loner politics just creates more long term policy potholes.

    Collins and Murkowski put the funding of planned parenthood above all else. If I were the R’s I would cave on that, just to get out of the uncooperative rut the R’s are in.

    The 2018 midterms are on the road to having lots of intra party Republican acrimony, IMO.

  133. Tina says:

    Deadenders in the senate.

  134. Tina says:

    If mitchie had something, he would start stripping committee assignments,

    Him and ryano cannot continue this charade.

  135. Cash Cow TM says:

    At a rental BA 7 bedroom farm house up on the mountain 15 minutes from Walt’s house. Beatiful place. Lots of Mrs. Walt’s family coming up for the weekend. We are all foimg to the big arts and craft festival in Harpers Ferry tomorrow…

  136. Bitterlaw says:

    129. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz. I don’t care about those adjectives. I care about the fact that he is a creepy scumbag who gave money to the hard-core Leftists – Schumer and Pelosi.

    I am trying to be indifferent to him since I already voted in 2016 and it is out of my hands.

  137. Bitterlaw says:

    155 Have fun in Harpers Ferry. I heard they have a great bell. Oh. Sorry. They HAD a great bell.

  138. Tina says:

    It is time for trump to take his pen.

    No subsidies.

    Congress part of obumblercare.

    Phuq the goobers, mitxhies, piglosi, etc.

  139. Tina says:

    I regret my 2008 vote for mccqin.

    Should have abstained.

  140. Tina says:

    Little Rocket Man.

  141. blobbie says:

    HA HA HA distinguished world leader called trump a DOTARD … bet you wish hillary won now!!!!!


  142. lisab says:

    a german is at french customs and is getting asked a few questions, the customs agent says, “sir, occupation?” and the german responds, “no, just visiting this time.”

  143. Phil says:


    me too

  144. lisab says:

    snowflake: Autozone has an insurance claim on their hands for putting tranny fluid in a customers master cylinder

    moderator: this post has been reported several times for being transphobic. the only thing i have to say to this is: reports ignored, post reapproved, and get the hell out of this sub you SJW idiots. “tranny” is a common mechanic slang/shorthand for saying transmission and is in no way shape or form insulting ANYTHING or ANYBODY.
    that is all.

    lol …

  145. Bitterlaw says:

    I will never regret my vote for McCain.

  146. Tina says:

    DanRiehl @DanRiehl
    ‘James Comey, you’re not our homie!’: Protesters disrupt ex-FBI director’s speech at Howard University –

    Comey is bl’s homey.

  147. Bitterlaw says:

    Everybody disappoints Tina. If she has a dog, she probably considers it a failure.

  148. lisab says:

    i don’t think tina considers you a total failure bitterlaw

  149. Wes says:

    I can’t regret my 2008 vote for McCain because I didn’t vote for him.

  150. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    168. “I will never regret my vote for McCain.”

    Agree. Frankly one reason I did not vote for Trump were his comments about McCain getting shot down. This was coming from a man with how many draft deferments? I will support many of Trump’s policies, but am not particularly impressed him as a person.

  151. Bitterlaw says:

    Lisab- I am a failure in many things. However, I have warm eyes and a great voice.

  152. Tina says:

    New twirter fest today. I thought they took away trumps twitter.

  153. Jonesy says:

    Center Right party beat the Communists in New Zealand.

  154. Jonesy says:

    SD, I agree Trump made a stupid comment, but McCain called Trump mentally ill to begin with.

    McCain is no saint, ask his first wife

  155. Jonesy says:

    Morning tina. Have to run

  156. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Any comments about the article linked below or has your hatred for everything Southern blinded you? You can always fall back on “you do not like Southern accents”.

  157. Tgca says:

    Maybe they should take away Macs healthcare and let him fend for himself, and struggle like so many others with paying for their healthcare. What a lying, traitorous, dishonest politician. He has always been for himself and always will be. This fool loves basking in the glory of the media and his fellow Dems who use him, useful idiot, anyone? He outright misled his constituents on this issue and I think he should be called a traitor for that. Maybe they can get his vote if they promise him a war where thousands of young Americans can die so he can revel in the glory of being the warmonger he is.

  158. hugh says:

    So why do these idiots keep trying to repeal Obamacare at this point? I do not believe conventional wisdom. We do not own Obamacare so long as we do nothing. We do own that we did not repeal it, but that is not going happen. The best thing we can do right now is let Obamacare fail on its own, which it will. The dems have overplayed their hands. They are telling everyone Obamacare is doing great it just needs a few tweaks. When it crashes and burns in many state in two years who will look like fools. Dems who said is was great or us who said it needed to be replaced with something better. Anymore time on Obamacare is a waste of energy move on to tax reform. Start with corporate and then move to individual.

  159. Tgca says:

    Just because Mac was a pow does not give him an eternal license for bad behavior. He has milked his pow status and fathers influence for decades to make an extremely comfortable life for himself while so many others who suffered the same pow fate did not. No one questions he suffered as a pow, but that doesn’t make him a good or admirable guy. Look how he has treated others and his 1st wife, and his corrupt behavior in the S&L crisis. I’ve looked the other way before to give him the benefit of the doubt but I gave up on him years ago. I do not respect this guy. Even war heros, if you consider him such, can be dishonest and behave dishonorably. Let’s remember Timothy McViegh was a decorated veteran but also dishonored himself with his traitorous act. Though I am not equating murder with betraying the American people on healthcare, I like many, find Mac to be traitorous to his constituents and the GOP, as he outright lied and misled them. What scum this guy is.

  160. Tgca says:

    Somewhat agreed Hugh. But there are people out there struggling financially over this and that is just wrong. We knew they would be hurt. We have an obligation to help others and help them help themselves.

    It’s the Christian thing to do.
    Praise Lord Jesus!

  161. Tina says:

    Trump needs to just end the illegal subsidies and terminate the exemption for congress.

    The maine chixklet, mccain, senator plannes parenthood, and other deadenders will domthe same when it domes to taxes.

    They want nothing done and should be all thrown out.

  162. Bitterlaw says:

    McCain is no saint, ask his first wife

    Zzzzzzzzz. I never said he was a saint. John and Cindy McCain have been married for 38 years now. Find a better argument against him.

  163. Tgca says:

    A better argument?

    How about a lying, misleading corrupt scum who has betrayed his principles and party numerous times to bask in the glory of the MSM and Dems as a useful idiot, who has again betrayed the his constituency. Like I said, I’m sure he’d sell his vote in favor of repealing Obamacare if we promised him a war or country to invade.

  164. Bitterlaw says:

    Any comments about the article linked below or has your hatred for everything Southern blinded you? You can always fall back on “you do not like Southern accents”.

    Zzzzzzzz. The Confederacy got off easy. I liked the passage that said “Damnyankee” is still a single word used in the South. Any comment on that, Sheeple? Why can’t we just have contempt for regions? I do not like the history, fake politeness, weather and accents of the South. Why am I required to love or even respect those things?

    Today is the first weekend of Fall and it will be 89 degrees in Philadelphia. That pisses me off. It should be in the 60s at best with leaves turning color. I can’t imagine living in a 2 season region – January and Summer.

    As for the statues, I would not take them down. Maybe they should put up more statues of officers dedicated to killing Americans. Put a Rommel statue next to Robert E. Lee. Maybe Benedict Arnold can be placed next to Stonewall Jackson.

  165. Mr.Vito says:

    Recommended read

    “There is a growing tolerance for anti-Semitism… as long as the anti-Semites are on their side of the political spectrum….

    …The problem exists both on the hard right and the hard left. Both extremes see the world in racial, ethnic and religious terms. Both engage in identity politics: the hard left gives more weight to the views of certain minorities; while the hard right gives less weight to the views of these same minorities.”

  166. Bitterlaw says:

    John McCain was elected again and again to represent Arizona. They like him. He does their bidding, not mine. He campaigned to repeal AND replace Obamacare. None of the bills does that.

    I would vote for the bill McCain won’t. He earned the right to be wrong. He has sacrificed more for this country than everybody who has ever posted at HHR combined. He will be dead soon. You can all celebrate then. GFY.

  167. Bitterlaw says:

    Alan Dershowitz is my favorite liberal. I don’t favor any of the rest of them. He has a brilliant mind and even when I disagree with him, I love hearing the argument. He is a passionate opponent of anti-Semitism and he is not afraid to call out the Left.

  168. Bitterlaw says:

    I have to go the dry cleaners. GFY. All of you. Except Mr. Vito.

  169. Mr.Vito says:

    ” I do not like the history, fake politeness, weather and accents of the South. Why am I required to love or even respect those things?”

    You aren’t.

    Of course, no one today is responsible for the history of the Civil War. The second two things are based on untruths or halftruths, and the last one can’t be helped.

    So if people want to call you a bigot, they have a point and I am unable to defend you. Just as if I replaced your statement with some other people group, history, halftruths, and innate characteristics.

    No free lunch.

  170. Mr.Vito says:

    Just sayin…

  171. Tina says:

    Bl, derchowitz, does see, bright. He is against the muh russian, special prosecutor,

  172. Bitterlaw says:

    Mr. Vito:

    The Southern politeness is not fake? Explain the expression “Bless his heart.” Pretty polite way to call somebody a moron.

    “Of course, no one today is responsible for the history of the Civil War.”

    Agreed. But many still love the Lost Cause revisionist b.s. and statues of traitors.

    As for the weather, if you are trying to pretend that the 4 distinct seasons of Pennsylvania are similar in temperature and length to those in Southern states, that would make you a regional climate denier.

    I do not like the South or any other region of the US than my own. If that makes me a bigot to the overly sensitive who need me to validate their chosen homestead, good.

  173. Hugh says:

    Tgca. I think they should get help. The point is that the political situation is what it is. Obamacare is failing and we cannot fix it. Nothing will get done until it fails. If you believe that which I do then quit wasting time on it and let the dems take the fall. If we pass something even if its better it will only be a bandaid and the press will eat us alive.

  174. Mr.Vito says:

    Again… “Bless your heart” is a single phrase. It is used both in a positive and a negative light, and you use it to generalize an entire culture’s genuineness. The weather you described originally applies to southern Florida, not the rest of the state, and now you are moving the goalposts… Southern Florida has more in common with the north than the south by your other standards as it is filled with northerners.

    There are very few who pine for the days of slavery, and perhaps if you would stop engaging in hate them for the sins of their grandparents, they would stop feeling the need to defend their culture today reflexively.

    Again… all of this would be called bigotry if we simply changed the people group and culture to some general population less palatable to be hated.

  175. Tina says:

    We stand a better chance now if flake quits and a better replacement can go against the drat.

    I think this race, no matter who wins on the r side, will be tough to retain. Flake is so toxic and he will not support any r that beats him,

  176. Tina says:

    My choice would be the az governor.

  177. Mr.Vito says:

    By the way, I have heard ‘bless your heart’ spoken 99% of the time in a positive light in my experience in the south, unlike the 1% stereotype Mr.Bitter gets from watching limousine liberals pretend to be southerners on Mama’s Family.

  178. Jonesy says:

    Tina, we need Ducey to run for re election, so he can direct the next census and re-districting.

    I think Trent Franks, Gosar, or Salmon would all keep that seat

  179. Bitterlaw says:

    I referred to the overall weather of the South and ot Florida. You moved the goalpost, not me. If you think Southerners are sincere, good for you. I do not.

    I love where I live. I don’t need or want others to like it. I don’t call them bigots.

  180. Mr.Vito says:

    Classic Goalpost Movement

    “I can’t imagine living in a 2 season region – January and Summer.”

    “…if you are trying to pretend that the 4 distinct seasons of Pennsylvania are similar in temperature and length to those in Southern states…”

  181. Mr.Vito says:

    “I love where I live.”

    Love it… good on you.

    If you keep saying you hate other places you clearly know nothing about, mostly based on untruths, then don’t complain when you get called out.

  182. Mr.Vito says:

    And these people who keep trying to convince you not to hate it should just stop… they sound like Meathead talking to Archie Bunker.

  183. Jonesy says:

    The Cities give the North a bad rep. Princeton, NJ is beautiful, but Newark and Trenton are dumps.

    Chicago is a slum, but 50 miles out is some of the best farm soil in the World.

    I hate its politics, but Boston is the best Northern city by far

  184. janz says:

    Totally agree with Bitter’s comments in #190 regarding Dershowitz.

  185. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    If subsidies are “illegal” than where is Tina’s outrage over farm subsidies or corporate welfare? They are subsidies that achieve no meaningful objective other than transferring taxpayer money to the very wealthy.

    But reason and logic left Tina’s mind a long time ago. All that’s left is ignorance and hate as she constantly seeks fake news to validate her own pre-existing opinions. Nothing sadder and more pathetic than willful ignorance combined with learned helplessness.

    And Obamacare exchanges are not failing. Tom Price, otherwise known as the millionaire who has taxpayers pay for private jets, has been derelict in enforcing Obamacare regulations. Not only that, the few states that have been unsuccessful under the aca are gop-dominated states that haven’t expanded medicaid.

    If Obamacare were so bad, the GOP would actually be able to easily pass a bill that repeals Obamacare that can muster popular support. Instead every bill polls in the 20%.

    This is what happens when you spend all your time in an ignorant rage instead of productive uses like educating yourself and coming up with a plan that can actually help people.

  186. lisab says:

    I am a failure in many things. However, I have warm eyes and a great voice.

    i have long said you are jolly … not, better start jenny craig tomorrow jolly, but somewhat jolly

  187. lisab says:

    Many Blue tribesmen talk as though they think everybody living more than 60 miles inland and outside a university town is a closet neo-Confederate.

    i thought they were openly neo-confederates?

  188. Mr.Vito says:

    “This is what happens when you spend all your time in an ignorant rage instead of productive uses like educating yourself and coming up with a plan that can actually help people.”

    Couldn’t have summed up the left much better if I tried.

  189. Jonesy says:

    Spoken like a true delusional Democrat, Pete.

    Of course the big hole in your little story, is the fact the real barometer of Obamacare, is the fact that Insurance companies are bailing at a rapid rate.

    They know what is really going on

  190. Jonesy says:

    How many staffing jobs alone, would be lost thruout America, if we went to Single Payer.

    Comrade Sanders and Warren never discuss that

  191. Jonesy says:

    Dem Politicians now telling all NFL players to kneel during Anthem because of Trump Tweet?

    Playing right into Trump’s hands. the fools

  192. lisab says:

    They are telling everyone Obamacare is doing great it just needs a few tweaks.

    but you did not tweak it

  193. lisab says:

    I hate its politics, but Boston is the best Northern city by far

    i’d personally go with old quebec city or toronto,

    but that’s jmho

  194. lisab says:

    If subsidies are “illegal” than where is Tina’s outrage over farm subsidies or corporate welfare?

    she does not like those either

  195. Cash Cow TM says:

    Bitter give a GFY to everyone here…excep Mr. Vito the sock.

    1. Cow is deeply offended.

    2. Mr. Vito will get a GFY if he continues to post. hard hitting truths.

  196. lisab says:

    How many staffing jobs alone, would be lost thruout America, if we went to Single Payer.

    they would just be replaced by twice as many government positions

  197. Bitterlaw says:

    I never heard the expression “Bless his heart” until I watched a show where Toby Keith and some other country singers discussed it as an insult. I researched it and found multiple sources – all Southern – that confirmed its meaning.

  198. Bitterlaw says:

    While I don’t believe in depression as a medical condition, I do believe in truly bad weeks and difficulties. Fortunately, I do not own a gun and I hate heights. I will be around for awhile. Probably.

  199. Mr.Vito says:

    Bitter saw it on TV and the net. Please come inform all my neighbors that they are insulting one another daily.

    Believe me, they will tell you to GFY to your face instead of saying Bless Your Heart.

  200. Bitterlaw says:

    Mr. Vito does not like the research. Maybe he can give me some acceptable reasons to hate the South that meet his delicate standards.

  201. Mr.Vito says:

    I do not like shoddy research with false conclusions. I saw on TV and the net that ‘nigga’ is a phrase that is used to refer to your buddies… please inform the people downtown, and let me know how it goes if you survive.

  202. Bitterlaw says:

    I greatly respect people who say GFY. The meaning is clear and it is sincerely expressed.

  203. Bitterlaw says:

    Tell me the acceptable reasons to hate the South. I don’t want to be hurt but I will continue to hate the region.

  204. Mr.Vito says:

    I can’t give you acceptable reasons to uniformly hate any people group… that’s your thing.

  205. Wes says:

    Not being a bigoted asswipe actively creating reasons to hate an entire region of the country might be a good place to start in finding legitimate reasons to the hate the South, Bitter.

    Of course as a fanboy of places well known for corrupt politicians, maybe you should skip looking for reasons to hate other parts of the country altogether.

  206. Bitterlaw says:

    Don’t be hurt, delicate sock. Aside from softball players, I am inclined to dislike almost everybody.

  207. Wes says:

    Typical Bitterlaw. Anyone who calls him out on his bigotry is “delicate.”

    How original. 🙄

  208. Bitterlaw says:

    Delicate flower checks in. Once again, he lies to pretend that I like place BECAUSE of corrupt politicians rather than IN SPITE OF corrupt politicians.

    Bless his heart.

  209. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m off to research suicide. I will be back later.

  210. Mr.Vito says:

    “Don’t be hurt, delicate sock. ”

    Hurt by what? When I see an untruth I correct it… I already advised everyone not to try to convince you to like the South. I cannot force you to not sound like a bigot… I can only advise you that you do.

  211. Mr.Vito says:

    Maybe I AM being too delicate to Mr.Bitter… I guess I could take the Wes approach, but don’t see the point.

  212. Bitterlaw says:

    So if I hate the South, I can’t say it. Got it. By the way, hoping and praying to die absolutely does not work.

  213. Wes says:

    Vito, I know Bitterlaw’s never going to like the South. Changing his mind isn’t my goal and wouldn’t work. That said, because of his overt bigotry, I have absolutely no qualms in pointing out the very real and documented significant flaws in the two areas he expresses such a deep affinity for.

  214. Mr.Vito says:

    “So if I hate the South, I can’t say it.”

    Say anything you want. Understand the consequences.

    Easy peasy.

  215. Wes says:

    I like the hypocrisy Bitterlaw displays in accusing me of lying when I never used the term “because of” in my post. I never said he likes Philadelphia and New Jersey because of their systemic corruption. It is, however, clear he’s perfectly willing to ignore the corruption of those areas in extolling why he wants to live there.

  216. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzzzzz. I have always said politics and taxes are irrelevant to my choice of where to live. I don’t ignore corruption. It is irrelevant to my decision. I hope the corrupt politicians go to jail.

  217. Bitterlaw says:

    By way, suicide research is a waste. All the sites lead you to prevention phone numbers and groups. Oh well. I would just F it up anyway.

  218. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “President Trump: “Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a b—- off the field right now… He is fired,” Trump said on Friday at a rally for Alabama Senate Republican candidate Luther Strange.”

    Yes I would.

  219. Wes says:

    You can’t even make a cohesive argument, Bitter.

    If you consider corruption irrelevant, then you do ignore it.

    As I say, I will continue to point out the real, documented, and legitimate flaws of New Jersey and Pennsylvania so long as you continue to manufacture artificial reasons to hate an entire region of the country.

    You have the right to post your thoughts. Others have a right to respond.

    No free lunches.

    I’d say I’m sorry I get under your skin so easily by pointing this out, but honestly I’m not.

  220. Wes says:

    Goodell won’t let the players do a mass kneeldown, SDC. He knows it would cause a ratings plummet.

    Like Bitterlaw, the players have a right to engage in their actions. Like Bitterlaw, they also have a right to suffer the consequences of those actions.

  221. Mr.Vito says:

    Today’s south is generally more attractive for African Americans than the north anyway.

  222. Mr.Vito says:

    It’s about opportunity.

  223. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Who cares if Insurance companies fail? As long as consumers get access to affordable, quality health insurance.

    Insurance is about pooling risks. There needs to be only a few players to keep the others honest. It is literally an industry based on economies of scale.

    It’s so f*cking sad to see “conservatives” crying about insurance companies going out of business or leaving markets. Big corporations who were making their money trying to deny sick people coverage are going out of business now that they need a constructive business model.

    BOO HOO.

    Idiots are people who seek information that reinforces their existing beliefs to the exclusion of all else.

    That’s what you fools are.

  224. Wes says:

    Idiots are people who seek information that reinforces their existing beliefs to the exclusion of all else.

    I sense a bit of projection in the post the above quote came from.

  225. Bitterlaw says:

    Artificial reasons = Reasons Wes Does Not Like.

    I said that I want corrupt politicians to go to jail. Delicate Flower twists that mean I ignore it.

    Wes must be a great real estate agent. “I’m sorry that I can’t sell you a house in this town but the last Mayor was convicted of tax fraud. The head of the Football Booster Club is cheating on her husband.”

  226. Mr.Vito says:

    “… sad to see “conservatives” crying about insurance companies going out of business or leaving markets…”

    Well… they believe in choice and competition.

    “Big corporations who were making their money trying to deny sick people coverage are going out of business now…”

    Sick people need health CARE, not health INSURANCE.

    “It is literally an industry based on economies of scale.”

    And they could get coverage before Obamacare through the very pools you are talking about, even after not buying insurance before they were sick.


    If this were car insurance, no one would say or is saying a thing. No one would agree to pay more so that people who have gotten into accidents can suddenly get them covered. The government is not (yet) interested in forcing a regulated marriage between car insurance and car repair and maintenance.

    The Obamacare disaster was forced upon people through an emotional plea instead of a rational one. People have always had access to health CARE… until Obamacare at least, when many have been priced out of getting anything covered by insurance through rising premiums and deductible.

    If Obamacare was car insurance, the poor would have Mustangs and the middle class would have Camry’s with no tires.

  227. Wes says:


    I’m guessing Bitterlaw doesn’t know agents often have to sell houses by glossing over negative associations with property, thus making them IRRELEVANT to a client’s decision and IGNORING them.

    See what I did there, Bitter?

    If I were trying to sell you a house, I’d never say anything about the politicians using graft and corruption to gouge you and keep themselves in power before going to prison or the neighbor who waits till her husband deploys to become the town slut.

    I would, however, point out the excellent local schools and the breathtaking lakefront view from the back porch.

  228. Bitterlaw says:

    Thanks for walking into the trap, Wes. You just admitted that the schools and view are more important than politicians in choosing where to live. You gloss over them because you know that the schools are still excellent and the view is still great regardless of the politicians.

  229. Wes says:

    I always thought lawyers paid attention to details to craft their arguments. Clearlly I was wrong.

    I explicitly stated I would IGNORE the negatives of an area–corrupt politicians and the town whore–in favor of talking up the positives–great schools and a view.

    You really should try to keep up in the future.

  230. Tina says:

    Now, the do nothing rs, have an excuse to waste time….

    No doubt they will have themselves up in arms about trumps respect our country comments.

    This after another mitchie failure.

  231. Tina says:

    Buck Sexton @BuckSexton
    Democrat media is about to spend a whole weekend defending multimillionaire athletes who disrespect our flag

    Gosh I wonder why Trump won

    And so called r leadership will soil themselves.

  232. Tina says:

    Chet Cannon @Chet_Cannon
    Trump has now attacked:

    -Hillary Clinton
    -Mitt Romney
    -Joe & Mika
    -Rosie O’Donnell
    -Sen. Flake

    Cherry picking is fun, yeah?
    Ryan Lizza @RyanLizza
    Trump has now attacked Jemele Hill, Colin Kaepernick, & Stephen Curry. All have something in common but I can’t quite put my finger on it.

    Lol,, hack lizza. Make it racial. However, he has also attacked flub who wilted, little marco, etx.

  233. Tina says:

    Nfl commisioner defends his players, while atttendance and tc ratings drop.

    Lots of reasons, bad product, bad teams, dumb officials, stupid stadium, stupid coaches, owners, and players.

    See, i just attacked the 49ers.

  234. Mr.Vito says:

    “All have something in common but I can’t quite put my finger on it.”

    They all disrespect our country?

  235. Mr.Vito says:

    “All have something in common but I can’t quite put my finger on it.”

    They all disrespect our country?

    While reaping its benefits?

  236. Tina says:

    At a Friday night rally in Alabama, Trump said about players who protest during the anthem, “Get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out, he’s fired. He’s fired!”

    ESPN’s Jeff Darlington reported that the Bills locker room has been “so emotional” over Trump’s comments, they’ll discuss them at a Saturday night team meeting.

    We are phuqued as a nation if so emotional, is true.

  237. Cash Cow TM says:

    Mr. Viito is schooling people here.

    The logic is maddening to some.
    And causes cognative dissonance.
    Thumbs up to the sock.
    Well done.

    (You don’t often hear a cow say “well done”.)

  238. Bitterlaw says:

    So Wes admits that you can ignore politicians and be happy where you live. Wes can be taught.

    He still thinks that saying corrupt politicians should go to jail is the same as saying to ignorie them but only so much can be expected from a masseuse.

  239. Phil says:

    I cannot stand the NFL.

    Will not watch black lives matter in shoulder pads. That’s about all it is any longer.

  240. Phil says:

    I cannot stand the NFL.

    Will not watch black lives matter in shoulder pads. That’s about all it is any longer.

    That said, Trump needs to put a sock in it. You don’t fire players over kneeling during the NA. To say they should is a political loser.

    I don’t get this guy.

  241. Tina says:

    I think they moved on to not inviting the gs warriors to the wh, or disinviting them, phil. Hard to keep track of who is or is not offended in this, phil

    Curry said no, kd said no. Onths ago, the coach kerr went both ways.

    I like all of them.

    We need the jebots to weigh in.

  242. Wes says:

    Right, Bitter. You really give a good goddamn about seeing the child-molesting Senator from the state you aant a beach home in goes to jail so long as you have seasons.

    Stop insulting my intelligence, shyster.

  243. Tina says:

    He takes a commonly held sentiment — most people don’t like the NFL protests — and states it in an inflammatory way guaranteed to get everyone’s attention and generate outrage among his critics. When those critics lash back at him, Trump is put in the position of getting attacked for a fairly commonsensical view.

  244. Phil says:

    The Warriors? From San Francisco, right?

    Catering to their northern California loons.

    Nothing to see here. Standard lefty California operating procedure.

  245. Tina says:

    Trump used the word firing, to be dramatic.

    Firing likely meant, get them off the field.

  246. Tina says:

    Phil, they are tedhnically bases on oakland. They did play ast the sf warriors years ago. They may return to that name agaun when the new arena opens in sf.

    Theynare shared by both oakland, sf.

  247. Tina says:

    They played at the cow palace back in 1974/75 at the cow palace in daly city, just outside of sf.

  248. Bitterlaw says:

    Come to my house, scumbag, and tell me I don’t want pedophiles to rot in jail. I have called for them to be executed for years here.

    Why do you have so many careers – welder, masseuse, real estate agent…? Can’t you just be good at something?

  249. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “they also have a right to suffer the consequences of those actions.”

    Agree. If you are an employee doing your job, and you engage in conduct that hurts your employer’s business, you can be canned. The clown who first did it should have been suspended.

  250. Cash Cow TM says:

    “They played at the cow palace back in 1974/75”


    I never saw them at my house.

  251. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The NFL does have a solution. It needs to get all those millennial snowflakes to begin to watch football. Time for stadiums to have cappuccino bars and introduce E-football. Important to end gender identification among football players; and teach them to lose their toxic masculinity. And this physical contact among players must end, we need non-contact football — play the game with text messaging –
    “Poof” your tackled.

  252. Tina says:

    Cow, the cow palace still holds the grand national rodeo and livestock.

    I am surpriaed to not have seen you, but saw tyour counterpart cows.

  253. lisab says:

    Who cares if Insurance companies fail?

    anyone with insured assets by those companies

  254. lisab says:

    At a Friday night rally in Alabama, Trump said about players who protest during the anthem, “Get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out, he’s fired. He’s fired!”

    ESPN’s Jeff Darlington reported that the Bills locker room has been “so emotional” over Trump’s comments, they’ll discuss them at a Saturday night team meeting.

    many player’s are african americans


    therefore, naturally do not like trump

  255. Tina says:

    Safe spaces needed for them?

  256. lisab says:

    Important to end gender identification among football players; and teach them to lose their toxic masculinity.

    i just read that article yesterday!

    How Sports Can Unlearn Toxic Masculinity

    Cleaning up youth sports culture in America and standing alongside teammates of color.
    By Dave Zirin

    his week we speak to Joe Ehrmann, former NFL player and founder of InSideOut Coaching: How Sports Can Change Lives.

    Also, I speak about the solidarity statement we organized to support Seattle Seahawk Michael Bennett, in his efforts to challenge the violence and racial profiling of the Las Vegas police; a solidarity statement that brought together people from Angela Davis to Colin Kaepernick.

    We have a Just Stand Up for friend of the program, Jemele Hill, after she tweeted out truths about No. 45… and then was subsequently scolded by her employer. ESPN, you can Just Sit Down.

    As always, we’ve got your Kaepernick Watch—can you believe that we have something nice to say about Stephen A. Smith? You’ve gotta hear this!

  257. lisab says:

    Come to my house, scumbag, and tell me I don’t want pedophiles to rot in jail. I have called for them to be executed for years here.

    well if you execute them, doesn’t that mean they won’t rot in jail?

  258. lisab says:

    You don’t fire players over kneeling during the NA. To say they should is a political loser.

    i would

  259. lisab says:

    to be honest i would just bench them … so they cannot play on another team and i would lock them out of practices as well

  260. Bitterlaw says:

    well if you execute them, doesn’t that mean they won’t rot in jail?

    Depends on what you do with their bodies.

    I know that no state would execute them but it should be a real life sentence. If their fellow prisoners want to kill them, that is a plus.

  261. lisab says:

    Arizona had a 116% increase in ObamaCare premiums last year, with deductibles very high. Chuck Schumer sold John McCain a bill of goods. Sad

  262. Phil says:

    McCain is a no based on his devotion to the greater glory of John McCain.

    Loves the limelight and loves the adulation of the MSM. End of story.

  263. Tina says:

    Ben Sasse @BenSasse
    btw, Trump wants you to kneel–because it divides the nation, with him and the flag on the same side. Don’t give him the attention he wants.

    Dumbarse sasse has chimed in. Go laugh at n words with dumbsheot, you punk.

  264. Tina says:

    Ben asse we are not in nk.

    You can orotest.

    We can reqct

    Ticket sales can drop. Viewership falls.

    Phuq tou, n word lover.

  265. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    If you are experiencing a mental health crisis and need immediate assistance, please call “911” and explain the nature of your problem to the operator.


    Seek help Tina.

  266. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    If you are experiencing a mental health crisis and need immediate assistance, please call “911” and explain the nature of your problem to the operator.


    Seek help Tina.

  267. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Lisa is like the beta chimp. Never before did she care about NBA or NFL players and then Trump opens his stupid mouth and she follows a long like a good beta.

    Monkey see Monkey do.

  268. lisab says:

    i still don’t care about the nba or nfl

    but i would not help anyone who disrespected the american flag or the republic for which it stands

  269. Tina says:

    According to the wp

    New tax pkg.

    35 percent top rate.

    2 other rates unknown. There will be a rotal of 3 personal tax rates.

    20 percent corp.

    Doubling of standard deduction.

  270. lisab says:

    MASS ACID ATTACK HORROREight hurt in mass acid attack as ‘gang of thugs spray victims’ at Stratford station and close to Westfield shopping centre

  271. Tina says:

    Canadian Coree in the house. How is justin bieber doing as pm?

  272. Wes says:

    Hey, shyster bitch, if you want yo insult me by calling me a prostitute, then be prepared ehen I hit bavk, you bigoted punk.

  273. Wes says:

    I don’t even care about correcting the spelling errors. You can go f uck yourself, asswipe.

  274. mnw says:


    Still favor Sapphire? I kinda got tired of brandy. Just whatever’s around will do fine now.

  275. wvally says:

    lisa is a Daughter of the American Revolution. As am I. It’s not surprising she respects the flag.

  276. lisab says:


    did you ever try laird’s applejack?

    it is the oldest distillery in the usa

  277. lisab says:

    Senator Elizabeth Warren Net Worth Revealed, How Did She Make $15 Million Within 6 Years As A Politician?

  278. Bitterlaw says:

    It wasn’t an error. I used he female word.

  279. Bitterlaw says:

    That was a good fight, Wes. One of our best. Have a good night.

  280. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw returns. Stick around. Many of the old-timers have retired or become Democrats.

  281. Bitterlaw says:

    Hello out there?

  282. wvally says:

    Hey there B : )

  283. lisab says:

    i need a good show to binge watch

  284. wvally says:

    I think lisa is a Daughter of the American Revolution, by genealogy. As am I. Not surprising she respects the flag, regardless of what Trump says.

  285. wvally says:

    Did u try Mr Robot lisa? Or the White Queen/white princess series?

  286. Bitterlaw says:

    i need a good show to binge watch

    The Vietnam War just finished episode 5.

    Of course, Buffy the Vampire Slayer is awesome, too.

  287. wvally says:

    Or season 1 of outlander? That had the best sex scene I’ve ever seen on tv, and normally I hate sex on tv.

  288. Bitterlaw says:

    If players want to protest, they can protest.

    If owners want to fire them for protesting, they can fire them (if the collective bargaining agreement allows it).

    This is a wasted fight by Trump.

  289. Tina says:


    On limoncello.

    Nothing worth while politically.

    Muh russian is replaced by muh nfl.

    I am bored.

  290. lisab says:

    i respect the flag and my country that it represents because i am an american citizen. i served my country proudly in the peace corps and have no use for those who disrespect it.

    they have a right to their opinion and i have the right not to indulge them.

  291. wvally says:

    Not surprising he injected himself into the kneeling thing. Par for his course. Would be more surprising if he stayed out of it.

  292. Tina says:

    It would be a better exercise of their rights to take a knee, if they did not do it on company time.

    Roger Gazebo is ruining the nfl brand, allowing wifes, gfs, to be punched out.

    Hiding the brain injury matter.

    Promoting sjws.

    And not letting dallas cowboys put a gribute to the dallas police on their helmemts, last season. That is despicable.

  293. Tina says:

    I will not warch or pay a dime to attend. I do not oay a dime because my team sucks and I get free tickets.

  294. Tina says:

    Krapper would still, be playing in the nfl now, likely with the niners, if he

    Did not wear police pig socks.

    Did not allegedly request that police not protect his arse and his teamates while practicing. He wanted police thrown out.

    And, perhaps, most i,portantly, he foolishly exercised an early out.

  295. lisab says:

    they disrespect a country that is so unfair to them, that they make millions of dollars to play a game

    i would definitely bench those players, and would be very careful in the future to only write contracts that guaranteed no money for such behavior

  296. Bitterlaw says:

    Teams give out free tickets when they suck? How have the Jets, Jaguars and Browns stayed in business all these years?

  297. lisab says:

    How have the Jets, Jaguars and Browns stayed in business all these years? (and eagles)

    those are all college teams, so the student tuitions pay for them

  298. Tina says:

    Imhave my sources, and theynare classified, bl.

    The tickets cost zero.

    The sheot in the stadium costs too much.

  299. lisab says:

    i decided to binge watch upstairs downstairs

  300. Tina says:

    I am out, night gang.

  301. Bitterlaw says:

    While. I do not give being in the Peace Corps in the honored status of serving in the military, I give lisab credit. It is more than I have done.

  302. lisab says:

    the peace corps was both in line with my personal beliefs


    as it turns out i was also not physically capable of serving in the military. not that i would have agreed to killing anyone, but i also could not have joined anyway, so it worked out. you had to weigh 100+ pounds to join back in my day … i was 85 pounds … but i must admit the navy uniforms were spectacular

    if fashion sense was a high needs specialty in the military, i would have been heavily recruited!

  303. Bitterlaw says:

    The Navy would have loved your Italian leather boots with its uniforms.

  304. Tgca says:

    So quiet. Everyone must be at church.

  305. Tgca says:

    Trump dupes the lefties again. All week we’ll be hearing about these poor rich overpaid athletes having their free speech infringed upon by Trump. More will take to the field to kneel to protest thinking they are helping their cause. More middle America will have disgust for these folks. Trump is making them look like the Hollyeood elite.

    Trump is right though. Let them protest but we can protest back by turning off the tube and boycotting their games. Once it starts to hit their pockets, I guarantee you the trend will end as this is all for show for these hypocrites.

  306. Tgca says:

    It’s a joke that Goodell and owners are suggesting these guys should command respect for their actions. Uh, like respect with the way they treat women and others. I think it’s takes real chutzpah to say they should be respected when a large number of these athletes have behavioral issues that are appalling to most Americans. Let’s face it, America has provided them an opportunity they would likely not have gotten elsewhere on this Earth.

  307. Phil says:

    ……or, he managed to turn a bunch of flag disrespecting social justice warriors with little support into “victims”. They had no real support before and outside the hard left bubble. now? Expect an epidemic of take a knee and other disrespectful acts now that they think Trump has given them the “moral high ground” and violated their “rights”

    Trump is an idiot. Played right into the hands of the left. I guess he can’t help himself. Way to go, Donald. Moron.

  308. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Phil and Tgca
    Here is the police blotter for the arrests of NFL players:

  309. Phil says:


    I don’t disagree with anything you say about these social justice primos. Trump needs to be smart, however. Why play into their hands? I don’t get it. Expect a slew of polls asking things like “should athletes be fired for their political views”. Disingenerous to be sure, but you can imagine the headline results. Trump just gave the left the ultimate gift.

  310. wvally says:

    To Phil’s point–up to this point the knee has been to protest “police brutality”. Now will it be to protest Trump?

  311. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    The “silent majority” is cheering for The Donald on this matter. The media and their polling outfits will always criticize and fudge.
    Look at how so many folks are tired of the disrespect and violence at institutions of higher learning.
    Freshmen enrollment at the Univ. of Missouri is way down because of its SJW shenanigans.

    How is your wife feeling?

  312. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    If you are correct, it will hurt the sport even more.
    wvally- a President with a low 40’s approval rating is not doing well, but he is not in “Attila the Hun” territory like Bush43 was after Hurricane Katrina.

  313. wvally says:

    A’s rookie catcher Bruce Maxwell, who earlier in the day profanely bashed President Trump on Instagram, became the first major-league player to kneel during the national anthem on Saturday before Oakland’s 1-0 win at the Coliseum.

  314. Wes says:

    According to some political science professor, Bill Nelson comes out of the Irma aftermath better than Rick Scott because of–drumroll please–Nelson’s embrace of the idea of global warming.

    As we know, the idea of global warming is something everyone cares about and moves voters en masse.

    Do these clowns really live in this much of a bubble?

  315. wvally says:

    And now Trump this morning calls on Americans to boycott the NFL:

    If NFL fans refuse to go to games until players stop disrespecting our Flag & Country, you will see change take place fast. Fire or suspend!

  316. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Here is the video of the National Anthem played in London today prior to the Baltimore- Jacksonville NFL game.
    It appears that at least a dozen players on each team knelt. They were all AA’s.

  317. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Kneeling in MLB will be somewhat muted since over 35% of players are now Hispanic and they will not dis the USA.

  318. Tina says:

    Ray Lewis also took a knee. I thought he worked dor one of the media conglomerates.

    We need muh russian news.

    Bired with muh nfl.

  319. Tina says:

    I used to watch several games each sunday, but since 2015, none. It changed. Granted, not so much about the kneeelimg, it,was and is the product.

  320. wvally says:

    Here’s your muh Russia news Tina:

    Matthew Whitaker, a former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Iowa during the George W. Bush administration, has been appointed as Sessions’ chief of staff, a Justice Department spokesman said Friday.

    Whitaker, a CNN legal commentator, wrote last month that President Donald Trump was “absolutely correct” when he said it was a “violation” for special counsel Robert Mueller to investigate the Trump family’s finances.

    “It is time for Rosenstein, who is the acting attorney general for the purposes of this investigation, to order Mueller to limit the scope of his investigation to the four corners of the order appointing him special counsel,” Whitaker wrote.

  321. Wes says:

    I’m skipping the NFL today.

  322. Phil says:


    Please tell me that he didn’t do that. How’s it going to look when the boycott falls on its face?

    On the other hand, he issued another tweet this morning telling “rocket man isn’t going to be around much longer”. keep poking a mad man until he starts a war? A mad man with nukes”?

    Why, Donald? No reason for this? Why?

  323. Phil says:

    Well, I’m skipping it as well, Wes but have since the latter part of last season.

    I get my football fix on Saturday. Those college games yesterday beat anything out of the NFL.

  324. Bitterlaw says:

    I hope enough fans protest that I can finally get season tickets to the Eagles. Separation of Sports and State.

    I like watching football. Why should I let anti-American morons take that from me? I think the owners have every right to suspend them and I wish they would. However, I have no impact on this issue.

  325. Tgca says:

    I disagree. Trump just duped them again. These folks went on foreign soil and kneeled to the US Anthem but stood for God Save the Queen. They hurt themselves and when the GOP and Indys watch a bunch of AA men behav this way, it only hurts their cause more. This is what pisses middle America off to see this.

    Trump said what most were thinking and the radical left will pile on as most Americans think WTF? Trump gave them an audience for a backlash and not to expand their childish and Ill-conceived behavior.

    Love or hate Trump, you can’t beat him in how to use the media and the libs to his advantage.

  326. Bitterlaw says:

    I prefer the NFL to college. I just don’t have an attachment to the big-time schools. I pretty much only watch Lafayette and Villanova because I went there and Temple because my son and money go there.

    The big-time college players are just as dirty as the professionals in terms of abusing women and committing crimes. They just have less money.

  327. Phil says:

    …and for the record, I believe diplomacy with Kim is totally useless. A complete waste of time. If they attack us or our South Korean or Japanese allies they should be absolutely wiped out.

    Just quit poking the unstable bear, Donald. You’ve already sent your message as to what will happen if they attack. You have been crystal clear.

    I suspect Kim’s next move is an atmospheric thermo nuclear test in the Pacific or at least some time soon. Probably some more missile flyover over Japan and maybe something launched close to Guam.

  328. Tina says:

    Only provlem is that the fed gubment is involved withnthe nft. So, nfl and state separation likely wont exist.

    Thanks, wvally. Sessions cos called the mueller investigation an overreach.

    I still think he has nothing. If he did, the breaking news touted bynthe muh russian loon here would have been reported asap, not months later.

  329. Bitterlaw says:

    Since I am not black, I will not pretend to relate to the players’ motives. I don’t like it and wish they would stop but they have a right to do it. It is the owners who have chosen their right to do nothing in response.

  330. Tgca says:


    Part of my earlier point. Boycotts hurt these idiots and reduce their bargaining power in contracts. Viewership down will hurt their game, and drive ticket prices down. How come these guys aren’t protesting the cost of their stadiums and games being out of reach to most in their communities. Dumb butts they are. Trump will hammer them on this and it will distract the MSM from all the other EVIL things his admin is doing, until they realize they’ve been duped again.

    I just love how predictable they are. It’s like touching a drag queens hair. You know they’re going to flip out. 🙂

  331. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – The other problem is that Kim and Trump know the same thing – once the shooting starts, all hell is going to break loose and millions could die. Kim probably does not care. Does Trump?

  332. Tina says:

    Wow, they kneeled to the us, but not the british.

  333. Phil says:

    There is no big time college football in the Northeast so the NFL is the only game in town up there. I get it. Big time college basketball in the NE for sure. People who graduated from colleges up there outside of Penn State do not come from colleges that have big time college football programs. The rest of the country is different to be sure.

  334. Tina says:

    Phil, it will be the targeted sanctions that work. They are not targeted at mentally ill, jr, but the chinese gatekeepers of mentally ill.

  335. Phil says:


    Bitter, I would like to think so….but he is not behaving like it IMO. Just scary.

  336. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca – I understand your point. My point is very simple – why should I give up something I enjoy because a bunch of players choose to exercise their First Amendment rights in a way I don’t like? Am I supposed to watch soccer?

    I respect those like Phil, Wes and others who give up watching the NFL. I’m not one of those people.

  337. Tgca says:

    The motives of these players is driven by their ignorance and laziness to seriously educate themselves on the complex role law enforcement plays in their communities. Statistics overwhelmingly show police brutality amongst AA is not what the MSM and AA make it. These incidents are isolated but get big media coverage so they appear routine when they’re not. It’s just something for them to jump on to promote their image. It’s like when the straight actors realized they got better media coverage when they started embracing gay rights.

    It’s no different than Hilary jumping on the “women can’t get a break” fantasy. Reality today does reflect what they’re protesting. Keep doing it though. This will isolate the left more and more with most voters.

  338. Phil says:

    Bitter, makes a good point about the owners. Their do nothing responses bordering on encouragement for this kneeling crap is a huge enabling of the players – big part of the problem.

  339. Tom says:

    Kneeling here in the US is one thing, but going on foreign soil and showing disrespect to our National Anthem crosses a serious line. But then again, crossing lines and showing disrespect is what liberals are all about. And of course, CBS being the great patriots that they are, simply had to showcase it on TV. I have watched my last NFL football game or any CBS programming this season. Boycott the NFL and CBS.

  340. Tina says:

    Hands up, do not shoot was politicized by lebroom, etc.

    They lied about the fergustan matter.

  341. Tina says:

    They can kneel on their own time, speak out against it, lie about hands up, do not shoot.

    They are on company time, so their stances could have consequences.


    Fans not attending.

    Audience tv falling

    Espn falling

    People speaking out q, like the president.

  342. Tina says:

    Joy Reid @JoyAnnReid
    A lot of people who are mad at Collin Kaepernick will be kneeling in church today. `

    Dumbest comment of the day.

  343. Phil says:


    Tina, that might be the dumbest comment of the century.

  344. Tgca says:


    It’s to send a message that it’s not appropriate even though a protected right. Because the more silent you are on a topic, the more accepted it becomes. Would you say the same if these players constantly put down Jews or the Holocaust? I for one don’t support these scum big team owners after what Vick did. This guy was rewarded for violently harming and killing animals but was welcomed back. Would we have welcomed back a convicted rapist or child molestor? Sometimes one has to stand for what’s right or we stand for nothing. If your personal enjoyment is more important to you, I respect that. But don’t complain when it extends to other behaviors you personally find abhorrent.

  345. Tgca says:

    Most will not disagree that the AA community has suffered much but this displaced ignorance is an easy scapegoat to the ills that ravage the AA community and will only backfire and hurt their cause further. The optics of a bunch of privileged AA disrespecting the US on foreign soil is mind-boggling stupidity. Will they do this if there is an attack on Americans overseas too? What about if Americans were attacked in a stadium? Would they continue this? I bet you not. The owners would not allow it. This s is simply selective action to get attention. You either have a position on what the anthem and flag represent or you don’t. Can’t cherry pick it. My guess these guys could care less, it’s s all self-promotion.

  346. Tina says:

    The steelers will,stay in the lockeroom during the anthem in chicago, per reports.

  347. Phil says:

    F the Steelers.

  348. Phil says:

    As far as I am concerned, they can stay in the locker room during the entire game.

    I’m done with it all.

  349. Tom says:

    Boycott the NFL.

  350. Tina says:

    Cruz is now a no on goober cassidy.

  351. Tgca says:

    Ok. I got things to do today but before I skip along my merry way, just in case I did not articulate my thoughts clearly and folks are not sure where I stand on these very important topics, here goes:

    – I hope every single one of these kneelers experience similar backlash as Colin K.,

    – an independent counsel is appointed to investigate John McCain’s corruption in the S&L scandal and publicly rebukes him for being scum and for having behaved recklessly but not likely a convictable offense because he is such a tool of the MSM and libs,

    – Abortion is the only real issue that matters, and

    – NEVER EVER EVER touch a gay man’s hair.

  352. Tgca says:

    Have fun kiddies.

    *skip skip skip*
    * la la la la la laaaaaaa*

  353. Bitterlaw says:

    2 New Threads!

  354. Wes says:

    Hey, Joy, I’m no Christian, but their religion teaches penitence and considers kneeling as an act of self-abasement to their God. Of course they’ll be kneeling, you idiot! They will kneel as a sign of obeisance to their deity, not as an act of defiance against their country of birth.

    Stupid bitch.

  355. lisab says:

    I hope enough fans protest that I can finally get season tickets to the Eagles.

    i would not have thought that was a problem …