2017 Week 5 NFL Picks

Before we get to this week’s picks, a look back at how my picks did last week.

Green Bay beat Chicago
Pittsburgh beat Baltimore
Houston beat Tennessee
Tampa Bay beat N.Y. Giants
Philadelphia beat L.A. Chargers
Arizona beat San Francisco
Denver beat Oakland
Seattle beat Indianapolis
Kansas City beat Washington

Miami lost to New Orleans
Atlanta lost to Buffalo
New England lost to Carolina
Cleveland lost to Cincinnati
Minnesota lost to Detroit
Jacksonville lost to N.Y. Jets
Dallas lost to L.A. Rams

A 9-7 week brings my season record to 39-24 and drops me into a third place among the so-called experts at ESPN.

Louis Riddick 43-20
Trey Wingo 40-23
ME 39-24
Matt Bowen 39-24
Seth Wickersham 38-25
Mike Clay 36-27
Mike Golic 36-27
Lisa Kerney 35-28
Mina Kimes 35-28
Dan Graziano 33-30
Kevin Seifert 33-30

Now without further ado, the Hedgehog Report picks for Week 5 of the 2017 NFL season.

New England at Tampa Bay
Arizona at Philadelphia
Buffalo at Cincinnati
Carolina at Detroit
Jacksonville at Pittsburgh
L.A. Chargers at N.Y. Giants
N.Y. Jets at Cleveland
San Francisco at Indianapolis
Tennessee at Miami
Baltimore at Oakland
Seattle at L.A. Rams
Green Bay at Dallas
Kansas City at Houston
Minnesota at Chicago

Posted by Dave at 12:59 pm
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213 Responses to “2017 Week 5 NFL Picks”

  1. Tgca says:

    Uno Bebe! Uno!

  2. NYCmike says:

    Pence is outta here! And Kaep will stand if they pay him again!

  3. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Know many people won’t like me saying this, but I think Trump just got bested in a twitter fight. Corker’s tweet: “It’s a shame the White House has become an adult day care center,” he wrote on Twitter. “Someone obviously missed their shift this morning” was witty and is getting a lot of play. It is overshadowing Trumps comments

    Those who Trump tweets at often emotionally melt and play the victim. They come across as hapless, and Trump rolls over them. Corker punched back.

  4. Cash Cow TM says:

    punched back

    bunched pack

  5. Tgca says:

    I thought it was weak Corker response. He lowered himself like Rubio. Doesn’t work for him like it works for Trump. They’re different animals. Trump made clear Corker was groveling for cabinet position and Trumps help to win re-election, and Trump turned him down. The MSM will of course play up Corker but a trump’s base will remember the groveling. Corker’s career is done so he’s taking some pot shots but he can’t win this game with Trump, many have tried.

  6. NYCmike says:

    Looks like I jumped the gun on Kaep.

    And agree – if you take a step back and respond correctly, trump will look bad. Good one by Corker.

  7. NYCmike says:

    Not sure about that,Tgca. If anything, it was a draw.

  8. biomom says:

    My husband thinksCorker is dirty. I don’t know enough to say.

  9. Tgca says:

    My point is Corker can’t beat Trump at this game. Trump will remind all of his groveling and how he can’t win so he’s not running. This is the same way Trump ridiculed Romney. Folks thought Romney could out-maneuver Trump and then he came groveling for a job from someone he claimed was incompetent and not fit to be POTUS. Then why you wanna work for someone like that? It shows the shallowness of these grovelers. They’ll do and say anything to keep relevant.

  10. Tgca says:

    Harvey Weinstein fired by his own brother. Ouch! Money is evidently thicker than blood.

    Notice how quiet the Dems and MSM are on this all.

    One of the biggest loser is Lisa Bloom. So much for women’s rights, eh, Lisa. I guess those women’s rights don’t matter when Harvey is filling your coffers.

  11. Tgca says:

    When are Bill and Hillary going to come out and denounce Harvey? How could any Dem woman take money from a guy like that? Hillary will be shocked to find out about this secret life he lived that only a few thousand folks in Hollywood and Dem circles knew about. Why was she not advised of this earlier before taking his money?

  12. Tina says:

    Success or no, Mr. Obama refused to submit his Iran deal to the Senate for ratification under Article 2, Section 2 of the Constitution, which is the only way such agreements can become treaties binding on the United States.

    Enter Mr. Corker. He sponsored a measure that required the president to submit the agreement to the Senate but turned the Constitution upside down.

    Under Article 2, Section 2 the president must get a two-thirds vote in favor of any treaty to make it a part of the law of the land. Instead, Mr. Corker’s provision required opponents of the deal to muster a two-thirds vote — 66 senators — to vote against it. It was a pretense to conceal another Republican cave-in to Mr. Obama.

    Corker dirty?

    Imeffective and an idiot.

    34 percent approval in tn.

  13. Tgca says:

    So Meryl Streep, who was horrified by Trump, referred to Harvey as a God while accepting her Golden Globe award in 2012. I guess that Hollywood kept her out of the loop as well with respect to what Hatvey was doing to all the ladies.

    Tsk. Tsk. No double standard here.

  14. Tgca says:

    Newsmax says

    Playtex Recalls 3.6 Million Children’s Plates and Bowls over Choking Hazards

    Hmmm…what about the Playtex tampons?

  15. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    13. Tina, I agree, Corker’s Iran motion was a major blunder.

  16. Tina says:

    Sdc, reason he is at 34 percent. It is per a recent approval rate, tennessean paper?

  17. NYCmike says:

    jason and “CG” to defend Corker in 3…..2…..1…..

  18. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    17. Maybe so, but Trump should not be publicly trashing a member of his own party who has consistently voted for Trump’s nominees and policy initiatives. There are even reports that Trump may have called Corker and asked him to not retire.

  19. Tgca says:

    Trump is gonna be Trump and will not change. Gotta take the good with the bad. There’s good and bad here but what would Corker do, vote against a good nominee because he got his feelings hurt? Only McCain does that.

  20. Phil says:

    “only McCain does that”

    Very true. As much as I detest Corker it doesn’t come close to how I feel about McCain. His war record gives him no pass with me.

    Look for McCain to vote with Democrats in opposing the tax bill. It’s what he does.

    Book it.

  21. Phil says:

    BTW. You know another big Corker guy? That was Arthur.

  22. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Very true. As much as I detest Corker it doesn’t come close to how I feel about McCain. His war record gives him no pass with me.”

    There was no excuse whatsoever for McCain’s conduct. He campaigned against Obamacare, and had voted against it in the past. He let his anger at Trump control has vote, rather than his promise to his constituents who elected him.

  23. Phil says:

    That was one reason, San Diego. The other is McCain’s need to be loved by the MSM. What better way than to screw over Republicans which he has done over and over for many years. He loves to be their hero.

    Of course, when he was running against Obama the MSM ripped him in the GE. He is only useful to them when he crosses conservatives. He remains their useful idiot.

  24. Phil says:

    Adulation by the MSM feeds McCain’s considerable ego.

  25. Tgca says:

    Agree on Mac. Anything for adulation. Selfish POS.

  26. Trump says:

    The truth hurts me.

  27. Tina says:

    Sdc, i think it was corker that thrashed him first. He fell for the kelly and tillerson leavimg.

    Plus, i thought he said that the tax cuts were dead. Maybe he just had “concerns.”

  28. Tgca says:

    Corker now saying Trump can start WWIII with his comments. Someone this idiotic should not be in the Senate. So Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea will align against the west for all out war that will destroy their economies because Trump talks tough on NK and Iran. What a moron Corker is. Do these politicians believe their own hype? This is why Trump wins with the ppl. Politicians talk in DC terms and Trump can relate to most Americans concerns.

  29. Tina says:

    This is a good policy start, well thought of. Looks like trump is not in favor of daca or comprehensive immigration reform aka amnesty by team uni.

  30. Tina says:

    Ok, here are corkers derogoratory remarks

    9/26. Tax reform harder than healthcare.

    The guy is wromg and destructive.

  31. Tina says:

    Just days ago, Corker stood up for Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who had reportedly called Trump a “moron” and was trying to demonstrate his loyalty to the President. “I see what’s happening here,” said Corker. “I deal with people throughout the administration and (Tillerson), from my perspective, is in an incredibly frustrating place, where, as I watch, OK, and I can watch very closely on many occasions, I mean you know, he ends up being, not being supported in the way I would hope a secretary of state would be supported. That’s just from my vantage point.” He suggested that Tillerson, along with Defense Secretary James Mattis and White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, were keeping the United States from tumbling into “chaos.”

    We know this ismfalse, but corker reqcted to it as id it were true.

    Kelly to be there in wh for all 7’yeara.

    Trump has said that tillerson stays and he is doing a good job, but could be toughter.

  32. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “He suggested that Tillerson, along with Defense Secretary James Mattis and White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, were keeping the United States from tumbling into “chaos.” We know this ismfalse, but corker reqcted to it as id it were true.”

    Actually I tend to think it is true.

  33. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    This place sounds like hitler’s bunker in 1945. Only replace hitler with trump and his generals with fat unemployed 50-year old racist baby boomers.

    You still believe his lies and it is sad.

  34. NYCmike says:

    -What a “liberal” idea!

    Voters across the nation will be watching…..will the incumbents listen, or will Robbie find more pieces about the Bannon Brigades?*

    *I have not endorsed and/or supported any primary challengers as of this moment, BUT I do endorse the idea of challenging incumbents.

  35. NYCmike says:

    “You still believe his lies and it is sad.”

    -We still believe the media lies, and so we take ALL of the publicly available media statements from ALL participants with a grain of salt.

  36. NYCmike says:

    “We” should be I, as I should not speak for the others.

  37. NYCmike says:

    Sorry to see JJ Watt go down again…..he and his team are a bit snakebitten.

  38. MichiganGuy says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    October 8, 2017 at 6:26 pm
    Know many people won’t like me saying this, but I think Trump just got bested in a twitter fight. Corker’s tweet: “It’s a shame the White House has become an adult day care center,” he wrote on Twitter. “Someone obviously missed their shift this morning” was witty and is getting a lot of play. It is overshadowing Trumps comments
    hmmm Corker made a elementary school comment vs. Trump who told him not to run for re-election or I will make sure you lose. Let me think who won? Making a smart a$$ comment or being told your FIRED!

  39. Bitterlaw says:

    I was going to post an article about a 25 year old woman who killed herself but I thought it might be too much of a downer on a Monday. The article also blamed depression rather than weakness so I am boycotting it.

  40. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m glad I watched Fear the Walking Dead, Curb Your Enthusiasm and football last night instead of reading the McCain haters.

  41. Wes says:

    You know, Trumpkins think everything’s about Trump and his putative ability to get anyone he wants defeated (an ability that didn’t work against Roy Moore). The truth is that Corker is from a state very favorable to mainline Republicans and not to loudmouthed rabblerousers. His opponent was a C-lister with no money, and all major potential opposition from Marsha Blackburn on down had declined to challenge.

    All of this combined with the fact that the TNDP is about as relevant in its state as the HIGOP is on the Sandwich Islands means Corker would have gone back to the Senate had he really wanted a third term.

    We can speculate on reasons why Corker decided to retire, but there’s exactly no evidence he stepped down because of fear of defeat in either a primary or a general election.

  42. NYCmike says:

    I’m glad I didn’t have to read more of your B.S. reasons covering up for McCain.

  43. Tina says:

    Sdc, those reports of tillerson or kelly leqving were not correct. The presidemt has stated that numerous times. Corker bought into it.

    Corker is actually correct about them being critical pillars to the admin. Problem is corker bought into fake news.

    Trump has always praised tillerson and kelly, in fact numerous times, both befor and after the fake news

  44. Tina says:

    The lanfguage used by corker to justify the fake news and the antifa incident were over the top.

    Corker is at 34 percent approval. Clearly, something going on there, whatever that aomerhing is.

    Blackburn is an upgrade.

  45. Tina says:

    In short, tillerson is a big time upgrade over her thighness or kerry. Our nation womt be sold out.

    Kelly is a big time upgrade over leaker rinse prubus.

    Kelly has done well at DHS/ 70 percent reduction in illegals crossimf

  46. NYCmike says:

    “and all major potential opposition from Marsha Blackburn on down had declined to challenge.”

    -Thankfully, Corker will resign, so Blackburn should succeed in taking that seat. An upgrade.

    I believe Corker will run for Governor. In that position, I don’t think I will have much of an issue with him.

  47. NYCmike says:

    “Blackburn is an upgrade.”

    -You beat me to it!

  48. Tina says:

    Today marks the one year anniversary of the 2nd Presidemtial debate.

    I have this as a one of the turning points in the 2016 election. The ine before being hillarys collapse due to an apparent unsoecified medical condition.

  49. Wes says:

    Harry Reid was at the same approval rating in 2010, Tina, but you have to have someone to beat someone. Honestly Corker was just probably fed up with having to deal with the Trump Administration. As I detailed above, with no real opponent, he was going nowhere if he didn’t want to.

    For those who think Marsha Blackburn is going to be some carerattling Tea Party sycophant in the Senate, she’s about as mainstream a Republican as Tennessee has, so realistically the changes in this seat will be largely cosmetic.

  50. Phil says:

    Corker a DC swamp creature.

    Trump shoots off his mouth without thinking.

    Both are true.

  51. Wes says:

    I don’t think NYCMike knows the definition of the word “resign.”

  52. Tina says:

    It is widely reported that bannon and kac planned the second debate very well, with the pre conference. Bill the rapist looked quite pale.

  53. Wes says:

    I’m not arguing that, Phil. I’m just using facts to dispute the idea that Trump was some kind of eminence grise forcing Corker to retire or face defeat.

  54. Tina says:

    Wes, he woukd have win relection if he win. If he was tired, then I am glad he is not running.

    If he is concerned about nk, he is concerned because he is used to joining in on. paying off the nk dictator, while speaking harsh about him.

    I do not care about what corker does, i just know he is and was ineffective as a senator, with ine of the so called accomplishments being the Iranian deal.

  55. Tina says:

    *ran again.

  56. Wes says:

    I can’t disagree with anything in 56, Tina.

  57. Tina says:

    If somebody is making the claim that trump forced him in or out, i do not buy that one either.

    Maybe the simple and correct answer he was fed up being in the senate, or tired being there.

  58. Phil says:

    Blackburn’s voting record will be the same as Corker in the senate.

    The difference is she won’t be making public comments giving Democrats cover. Also, could not see her pulling what Corker did on the Iranian deal. To me,that was unforgivable.

  59. Tina says:

    Ok Wes, i do not think we disagree on corker. I wish him well, whatever he choses to do next.

  60. Phil says:

    …and no, a tweeting war by Trump against Corker served no purpose. Just stupid.

  61. Tina says:

    This is the 2nd report of isis fightsrs masse surrendering.

    The defense secretary deseerves kudos for his strategy.

    Annihilate Isis.

  62. Tina says:

    Stupid and untimely. He was doing so well on twitter. He responsed only when attacked, for example by the commie pr mayor. Had to,respond there, did not need to or have to tweet anything about corker

  63. NYCmike says:

    “I don’t think NYCMike knows the definition of the word “resign.””

    Primary Meanings of resign
    v accept as inevitable
    v leave (a job, post, or position) voluntarily

  64. NYCmike says:

    I’ll let Wes argue with Websters….

  65. Wes says:

    I have mixed feelings about Trump’s Tweets. On one hand, they serve as a way to use the bully pulpit to circumvent the media and make Trump’s case to the American people. At other times, Trump looks petty and puerile in them.

  66. NYCmike says:

    “I can’t disagree with anything in 56, Tina.”


    Another one comes around to agreeing with me, because someone else stated it.

    I’ll take it.

  67. NYCmike says:


    Trump does NOT care what you feel.

    You took your ball and went home last year.

  68. NYCmike says:

    “The difference is she won’t be making public comments giving Democrats cover.”

    -YUGE difference! One which most of the “respected regulars” at HHR are still finding hard to appreciate.

  69. Wes says:

    As usual, Mikey has little grasp of the English language.

    What Tim Murphy did was resign.

    What Bob Corker is doing is retiring.

    Resignation from the Senate requires a letter of resignation submitted to the President of the Senate. Bob Menendez will be presenting one of those in a few months.

    Unless you can find and post Corker’s letter of resignation for us, he’s retiring rather than resigning.

  70. Wes says:

    Can you find the post where I said Trump cares what I think, Mikey?

    Granted, I was doped up on painkillers yesterday and am still feeling their effects, but I honestly don’t recall ever saying that.

  71. NYCmike says:

    If Corker is “retiring”, who will be the next Governor of Tennessee?

    Because if he is “retiring”, Corker will NOT seek another political office.

    UNLESS, Wes has decided to change meanings of words.

  72. Wes says:

    No. Retiring from one office does not mean one will not seek another. People retire from the House every cycle to run for Senate, for example.

    Corker hasn’t made his future intentions clear. He may or may not run for Governor. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s retiring from the Senate.

    Have you found his letter of resignation submitted to Mike Pence yet?

  73. Phil says:


    Wes, you have captured my mixed feelings exactly on Trump’s tweets. Circumvents the media but often comes off petty.

  74. NYCmike says:

    Tim Murphy resigned IMMEDIATELY, and in DISGRACE.

    Bob Corker will resign at the end of his term. He is NOT term-limited, he could probably win re-election, he may seek another political office, he may seek another job.

    He may retire, but that is pure speculation, as he is still a young man, in terms of age of employment for his set of “skills”.

  75. Wes says:

    Mikey doesn’t understand there’s a difference between retiring from one political office to seek another and retiring from politics altogether.

    It’s typical of his lack of understanding of American politics.

    No wonder he likes having Schumer anf the Bimbette represent him in the Senate.

  76. NYCmike says:

    “Can you find the post where I said Trump cares what I think, Mikey?”

    -No, because I said “Trump does NOT care what you feel.”

  77. NYCmike says:

    “No wonder he likes having Schumer anf the Bimbette represent him in the Senate.”


    Ever since he proposed to the stripper……..whatever happened with the wedding?

  78. Bitterlaw says:

    This fight sucks. Corker is not resigning or retiring. He has chosen to not run for re-election to the Senate. He will no longer be a member of the Senate in 2019. However, he may run for Governer or do something else.

  79. NYCmike says:

    Who said this?

    “I have mixed feelings about Trump’s Tweets.”

  80. Wes says:

    Mikey, I understand you’re a moron, but bear with me here as I explain this to you:

    Resignation from the Senate requires a sitting Senator to present to the President of the Senate a formal letter indicating vacation of the seat effective on a certain date before the term expires, usually immediately.

    Corker submitted no such letter. He simply announced his intention not to seek reelection. That is known as a retirement.

    There. I hope even your minuscule brain can understand now.

  81. NYCmike says:

    “Corker is not resigning or retiring.”

    -Merriam-Webster called, and they asked for the Ghost of William Safire to cease and desist.

  82. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Why do you say that NYC likes New York’s Senators. He clearly does not. One of the reasons NYC did not like Rubio was because he was working with Schumer. Of course, Trump actually does like having Schumer in the Senate but NYC ignores that.

  83. Wes says:

    “Can you find the post where I said Trump cares what I think, Mikey?”

    -No, because I said “Trump does NOT care what you feel.”

    This implies I think Trump cares what I think. Yyou still haven’t produced evidence I believe that.

  84. Wes says:

    Number of times Mikey has criticized his Senators on here, Bitter?

    I’ve never seen any.

    He is, however, quick to criticize every Republican who’s ever managed to win a Senate seat.

  85. NYCmike says:

    “I don’t think NYCMike knows the definition of the word “resign.””


    Next time, choose your words more carefully.

    If you had said “I don’t think Mikey knows the correct way to “resign” from the United States Senate.”, than I would have amended my statement.

  86. NYCmike says:

    BUT, you didn’t.

  87. NYCmike says:

    “Number of times Mikey has criticized his Senators on here, Bitter?”

    -What would I criticize?

    I already call them Democrats.

    Anything else would be redundant……….oh, NOW I see why Wes has an issue…….

  88. Wes says:

    Or better yet, Mikey, next time know what you’re talking about before posting.

  89. NYCmike says:

    Wes heard about a forum where he could make believe he was James Joyce, and just stream-of-concsiousness-his-day-away…..those darn kids at HHR had to go and ask him to start making paragraphs all those years ago!

  90. NYCmike says:


    Call Webster’s.

    Those are the ones you have an issue with.


  91. Wes says:

    Forgive me, Mikey, but I consider Ulysses to be the most overrated book in the English language.

    Joyce would hardly be my inspiration for anything.

  92. Wes says:

    I’ve already pointed out how Corker didn’t resign his seat, Mikey. Contact the Senate Parliamentarian. You seem to have a problem with the chamber’s rules.

  93. NYCmike says:

    “Of course, Trump actually does like having Schumer in the Senate but NYC ignores that.”

    -Ignores it? How so?

    Trump gave him big $$, and for all I know it paid off for Trump in a big way.

    That said, Trump’s administration looks like they will look to solve the immigration issue….did you check out the link above?

    Tell me again how much of a “liberal Democrat” Trump is…..hopefully congressional Republicans will follow his lead, and make Schumer and his fellow Democrats compromise to get something they want, or else……..NO DEAL! **

    **fingers crossed

  94. NYCmike says:

    ““I don’t think NYCMike knows the definition of the word “resign.”””


    You said “definition”, not “Senate procedure”.

    Words have meaning. Go talk to Webster’s.

    Have a nice day!

  95. NYCmike says:

    “**fingers crossed” in seeing the Democrats compromise because the Republicans stayed united

  96. NYCmike says:

    “Joyce would hardly be my inspiration for anything.”

    -He was my inspiration which cured my insomnia in college.

  97. Bitterlaw says:

    GFY, Wes. Ethan Frome is the worst novel in any language.

  98. Wes says:

    Ethan Frome can’t compete with Ulysses. Joyce thought detailing an average day in someone’s life over 600 pages would somehow make a great novel. A bunch of English lit professors in their ivory towers agreed with him. Pretty much no one else did.

  99. Wes says:

    Ethan Frome and Silas Marner do tie for second behind Ulysses on my overrated list.

  100. jason says:

    Yahoo has a video of the Miami Dolphins line coach snorting, you guessed it, lines of coke.

    I loved this comment”

    “Now we know why he thought hiring Jay Cutler was a good idea”

  101. jason says:

    A Raiders player, taunted by fans, got out of his Rolls Royce to confront them.

    One of the “oppressed” players, no doubt.

  102. NYCmike says:

    I saw that Raiders video….these guys are trying to throw away the Golden Egg!

  103. NYCmike says:

    “”I wish I was licking this off your p—-,” Foerster says before the video ends.”

    -Definitely a Trump voter!


  104. NYCmike says:

    I was wondering…..what % of Weinstein’s donations went to Republicans?

  105. jason says:

    Anybody really doubt we would be a lot better off if we had 50 Bob Corkers and 50 John McCains in the Senate?

  106. NYCmike says:

    Well, at least it would be tougher for Schumer to get a microphone!

  107. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Tina and SDC:
    My heart aches for you guys. The old hag,Diane Feinstein has declared her intent to run for re-election to the Senate in 2018.How old is this hag?

  108. jason says:

    As opposed to 50 scumbags like Roy Moore who obey the law only when convenient and 50 grandstanding morons like Ted Cruz?

  109. Wes says:

    Isn’t Feinstein 84?

  110. Wes says:

    Feinstein was born in 1933, making her 84. She will seek reelection at 85. I have to admit, bad as Feinstein can be, she’s far better than Boxer was or Harris is.

    That’s admittedly saying little given the loony nature of the stare.

  111. Wes says:

    California would probably have been rid of DiFi decades ago had Arianna Huffington not had an illegal nanny. After 1994, the CAGOP went belly up, and DiFi and the moonbats were set for life.

  112. NYCmike says:

    I don’t really know the story with Roy Moore, so someone please educate me.

    If I am not mistaken, he was removed due to his stance, correct?

  113. Wes says:

    Jason, Mikey would probably prefer to have 50 Dick the Misogynist Bastard Mourdocks and 50 Todd Akins in the Senate.

  114. NYCmike says:

    That screwed Huff’s then-husband, correct?

  115. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    CORRECTION: The Feinstein(D-CA) report is in dispute. The announcement came from an unverified Twitter account.

  116. Wes says:

    Roy Moore posted a 10 Commandments monument outside the Alabama Supreme Court. This is a violation of the First Amendment’s provision against recognizing an establishment of religion, which has applied to the states since the ratification of the 14th Amendment.

    He was ordered to remove the monument multiple times but refused to do so. Finally both he and the monument were removed in compliance with the law by the Alabama Supreme Court.

    He’s your kind of guy, Mikey. The law applies only whdn he supports it.

    Had a Muslim tried to do something similar, people on the Right would have been justifiably outraged, but because an evangelical Christian defied the law, many of them supported him.


  117. NYCmike says:

    100 Republicans vs. 52?!?

    You would be against that?

    Personally, I would rather it be 67-33, so as to have some debate.

  118. Wes says:

    Correct, Mikey. Huffington was leading late in the game, even causing the LA Times to post a story accusing him of being a Manchurian candidate. The nanny story broke shortly before the election, and Huffington lost narrowly.

  119. jason says:

    Yeah, I would be happy with a debate between Corker and McCain.

  120. jason says:

    he was removed due to his stance,”

    No he was removed because he thought he should be entitled to make his own laws.

  121. jason says:

    Feinstein is better than anyone who would replace her.

    You read it here first.

  122. NYCmike says:

    “He’s your kind of guy, Mikey. The law applies only whdn he supports it.”

    -Oddly enough, there is NOT one post from me supporting Roy Moore when he did this, and not one post saying he should NOT have been removed from his office…….but then again, Wes seems to like his fantasy novels, so I’ll let him have his fun in The No Fact Zone!

  123. Trump says:

    Corker retired because he saw the writing on the wall. Coward.

    See Luthar Strange.

    Now Corker is on a kamikaze mission. Same as Jeff Flake and John McCain.

  124. Wes says:

    So you’re saying Moore should have complied with the Constitution and removed the 10 Commandments monument as ordered, Mikey?

    I’m just trying to get you on record here.

  125. NYCmike says:

    That Jemille Hill woman…..whenever I see someone with a jersey, I usually see……the jersey.

    She notices if they are black, brown, white…….ESPN should be proud of her work!/

  126. Wes says:

    Evidence that Corker saw the writing on the wall: 0.

    When all serious challengers decline and suddenly jump into the race after someone retires, it’s clear the retiree wasn’t trying to escape the wrath of the voters.

  127. NYCmike says:

    I agree that Moore should have been removed for not obeying the ruling….the other question about the monument actually creating an endorsement of Christianity by the state is still something I am not so sure about.

  128. Wes says:

    Ah. Mikey makes a solomonic statement in regard to my question.

    I should have expected such from him.

  129. NYCmike says:

    A “solomonic statement” deserves a salami sandwich for lunch….jason, what do we have in the icebox?

  130. NYCmike says:


    Any words about the link above, regarding the Trump administration and the immigration deal/continuing negotiation?

  131. NYCmike says:

    -Just re-posting to make sure HHR understands the “liberal” approach to negotiation.

  132. Tina says:

    Feinstein is a moon bat, but she is not a nig moonbat like boxah, or boxahs replacement, holder 2.0.

  133. Tina says:

    I am confused by the 70 poimt plan.

    The Rs, by in large, actualky support an amnesty approach, like schumah,

    The 70 point enforcemnt plan the rS do not support.

    So we have real cons supporting drat against the drat president.

  134. Tina says:

    Obamas clean power plan has been terminated

  135. NYCmike says:

    “Obamas clean power plan has been terminated”

    -“Trump chumps”! ??

  136. NYCmike says:

    -Shouldn’t the headline be “Trump tells Sinatra “You are f*cking crazy!, then Sinatra tells him GFY”??

  137. Wes says:

    Shouldn’t the headline be “Totally Irrelevant 27-Year-Old News Story”?

  138. NYCmike says:

    Of course, but that is what Bush would say, not Trump.

  139. jason says:

    .jason, what do we have in the icebox?”

    Alas, only leftovers today, wife is traveling so had a light lunch today.

    Leftover beef and lamb meatballs over pasta, roasted brussel sprouts with butter and cheese, salad, cherry pie a la mode, a glass of wine and coffee.

  140. jason says:

    Totally Irrelevant 27-Year-Old News Story”?”

    No, that was Obama’s connection with Weather Underground terrorists.

    THAT was irrelevant.

    This is very relevant.

  141. jason says:

    Obamas clean power plan has been terminated”

    Hmmm, is he coming back dirty?

  142. jason says:

    Corker retired because he saw the writing on the wall.”

    Corker can certainly read better than Soccer Moron, but he would have won re-election easily.

    There is no parallel to Luther Strange, a political appointee of a scandal ridden Governor.

    Yes, Strange is a 100 times better than the scumbag, but there is no analogy with Corker.

  143. jason says:

    “but I consider Ulysses to be the most overrated book in the English language.”

    I thought it was “Change we Can Believe In”

  144. Wes says:

    Heh. Mikey’s unsure if Moore was trying to respect an establishment of religion with the 10 Commsndments monument.

    Well, here’s what Moore said after the unveiling:

    In a speech following the unveiling, Moore declared, “Today a cry has gone out across our land for the acknowledgment of that God upon whom this nation and our laws were founded… May this day mark the restoration of the moral foundation of law to our people and the return to the knowledge of God in our land.”

    It’s pretty clear what Moore intended. He was violating the Constitution, and the Alabama Supreme Court was having none of it.

    Now replace Moore with a devout Muslim and 10 Commandments with Sharia law, and see how many of Moore’s defenders take the opposite position.

    It always depends on whose ox is being gored.

  145. Wes says:

    Out of Moore’s own mouth:

    the monument
    “serves to remind the Appellate Courts and judges of the
    Circuit and District Court of this State and members of the bar
    who appear before them, as well as the people of Alabama who
    visit the Alabama Judicial Building, of the truth stated in the
    Preamble to the Alabama Constitution that in order to establish
    justice we must invoke ‘the favor and guidance of almighty

  146. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason does not care if you gore his ox but if you mess with his llama, watch out.

  147. Wes says:

    You can’t get much clearer than that. Moore wanted to recognize an establishment of his religion–evangelical Christianity. He violated the law and suffered the consequences.

    That’s why he struggled to regain his office in 2012.

    That’s why he’s failed to fully put away a Vermont-style liberal in Doug Jones shortly after dispatching Luther Strange.

  148. Wes says:

    To be fair, Leftists outraged over what Moore did would have no problem if a Muslim pulled the same shenanigans.

    They’re hypocrites too.

  149. Mr.Vito says:

    “This place sounds like hitler’s bunker in 1945.”

    I think he speaks from experience.

  150. NYCmike says:

    “Now replace Moore with a devout Muslim and 10 Commandments with Sharia law”

    -The evidence is pretty widespread around our “beautiful” world….Sharia law is drastically different from law which is based upon Judaeo-Christian teachings.

  151. Wes says:

    Mikey makes my point for me!

    Congratulations, Mikey!

  152. Wes says:

    Islam is the cause celebre religion of the Left while Christianity is its equivalent on the Right.

    That’s why the exact same situation with different names and players triggers outrage on one side but not the other.

    I find it easier just to condemn idiocy like this on both sides, but, hey, I’m just one person.

  153. Mr.Vito says:

    “Anybody really doubt we would be a lot better off if we had 50 Bob Corkers and 50 John McCains in the Senate?”

    That’s at least 50 votes against Obamacare repeal… also no one to write the legislation.

  154. NYCmike says:

    I make your point?

    That you are hostile to the basic teachings which informed the Founding Fathers and helped them craft the Constitution as they did?

  155. NYCmike says:

    “also no one to write the legislation.”

    -B O O M ! !

  156. Mr.Vito says:

    “Shouldn’t the headline be…”

    Did Sinatra tell everyone to go f*ck themselves? He even sang a song about it… Sounds like Trump… except the womanizing isn’t just a soundbite.

    His daughter wants NRA members to face the firing squad… great family.

  157. jason says:

    Moral of the story… don’t send videos of yourself snorting coke to anybody, let alone “models”

  158. Mr.Vito says:

    Corker probably retired because the donors just turned against him, and with that goes the perks.

  159. Mr.Vito says:

    “Leftover beef and lamb meatballs over pasta, roasted brussel sprouts with butter and cheese, salad, cherry pie a la mode, a glass of wine and coffee.”

    I had a double quarter pounder. mmmmm…

  160. Mr.Vito says:

    Scumbags: Capone, Hitler, Paddock, Roy Moore.


  161. Wes says:

    You do know the Founding Fathers had a broad range of faiths from Deism to Episcopalianism, don’t you, Mikey?

    They worded the First Amendment as they did to keep any religion from becoming a dominsnt force in the federal government. The 14th Amendment expanded this to the states.

    Roy Moore decided the First Amendment doesn’t apply to evangelical Christianity in Alabama. He learned otherwise.

  162. Wes says:

    Sinatra was a big Reagan supporter, Vito, so all is forgiven.

  163. jason says:

    That’s at least 50 votes against Obamacare repeal”

    Actually both McCain and Corker campaigned for repealing AND REPLACING Obamacare.

    “It is clear that any serious attempt to improve our health care system must begin with a full repeal and replacement of Obamacare, and I will continue fighting on behalf of the people of Arizona to achieve it.”

    Full disclosure: I wish McCain had voted for the Graham-Cassidy bill. But frankly, after all this time we should have had a good replacement bill. We didn’t have it because the deadenders and the moderates could not vote for anything acceptable to the other faction, catch 22.

  164. jason says:

    I had a double quarter pounder. mmmmm…”

    Is that a half pounder?

  165. jason says:

    Roy Moore decided the First Amendment doesn’t apply to evangelical Christianity in Alabama. He learned otherwise.”

    Unfortunately, he didn’t really learn anything.

  166. Mr.Vito says:

    “…Is that a half pounder?”

    I assume so.

  167. Mr.Vito says:

    I don’t see how either of Roy’s statements wouldn’t apply to anything from Deist to Episcopalian…

  168. Mr.Vito says:

    Which is why they didn’t have a problem putting God all over qovernment for quite a long time…

  169. jason says:

    He was violating the Constitution,”

    Roy Moore believes in the Constitution as much as Clive Bundy did.

    When they think it serves their cause, they believe in it.

    In Bundy’s case, the Constitution allowed him to use land that wasn’t his for free.

    Btw good luck to Bundy. Judge Gloria Navarro, who of course will strictly interpret the law on his upcoming trial on assault, conspiracy and other charges, just granted an extension on the trial date due to the Vegas shooting.

  170. Tina says:

    Nick Short ?? @PoliticalShort
    2016 Orlando- 49 killed
    2015 San Bernardino- 14 killed
    2015 Chattanooga- 4 killed
    2013 Boston Marathon- 3 killed
    2009 Ft. Hood- 13 killed
    Matthew Dowd @matthewjdowd
    Replying to @TomiLahren
    More Americans were killed in Las Vegas in one night than have been killed by radical islam in last ten years.
    5:17 AM · Oct 9, 2017

    Dowd destroyed on twitter, he is an abc political analyst aka drat hack.

  171. Mr.Vito says:

    Roy Moore believes the constitution says something else that many other judges have also believed and still do believe it says.

    That does not mean he does not believe in the Constitution, anymore than it means any other judge that gives a dissenting opinion.

    It does mean he was willing to lose his position over it.

  172. Mr.Vito says:

    “More Americans were killed in Las Vegas in one night than have been killed by radical islam in last ten years.”

    Maybe he meant Chicago…

  173. Wes says:

    Wrong, Vito.

    The Constitution explicitly says in the First Amendment “Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion…” The 14th Amendment makes this applicable to the states.

    Roy Moore violated the 1st Amendment to promote his own religion. His very words say as much.

    He deserved to be removed from office for his acts.

  174. Mr.Vito says:

    He made no law respecting establishment of religion.

    His words do no such thing.

    He deserved to be removed for violating the order.

  175. Wes says:


    He was clearly respecting an establishment of religion.

    He even said he did it to “invoke the favor and guidance of almighty God.” Those are his own words and demonstrate his intent.

    As I noted above, if a Muslim tried the same thing, the people on the Right defending Moore’s actions would be up in arms.

    Because he’s an evangelical Christian though, everything is all right.

    It’s all about whose ox is being gored.

  176. NYCmike says:

    “Because he’s an evangelical Christian though, everything is all right.”

    -This is what Wes sees when he writes this word…..see if you see it…..


  177. Mr.Vito says:

    You can keep saying that, but it doesn’t make it anymore true. The founders certainly did not mind invoking the favor and guidance of almighty God, the Creator.

    What he did only violates the interpretation of the constitution you like…

    if the court had agreed with him, and you protested, I would not call you a scumbag for trying to remove God from public life. If a muslim said the very words our founders did, as Moore did, I wouldn’t be up in arms.

    If he tried to say our laws are based on Sharia, he would clearly be wrong. If the people of Alabama put him there, then so be it.

  178. Mr.Vito says:

    You should probably talk to more Christians, since you seem to view them through a narrow lens. I am sorry if one hurt your feelings or something… but church is just a collection of sinners celebrating that they have been redeemed.

  179. Wes says:

    I didn’t call you a scumbag, Vito. Don’t put words in my mouth. I said if a Muslim did the same thing Moore did, you would have the exact opposite reaction.

    You defend him because he’s a Christian who posted a central tenet of Christianity before a courthouse. That’s fine, but it doesn’t make the fact that Moore had self-serving unconstitutional motives any less true.

  180. NYCmike says:

    Mr Vito,

    I myself am NOT perfect, but I act like I am to piss off Wes-ley.

    Praise The Lord! (I did not specify which one, so this is NOT an establishment of a religion!)

  181. Wes says:

    Roy Moore violated the 1st Amendment and a court order. The Alabama Supreme Court responded by removing him from office. Clearly they agreed with me–and I’m sure there are Christians on that court. They just choose not to pontificate about it as Moore does.

  182. Mr.Vito says:

    “I didn’t call you a scumbag, Vito. Don’t put words in my mouth.”

    Putting words in your mouth would require me to say you called me a scumbag. Jason called Moore a scumbag… which is what I referenced.

    “You defend him because he’s a Christian who posted a central tenet of Christianity before a courthouse. ”

    My later post disproved that. You should not put words in people’s mouths.

  183. Mr.Vito says:

    Roy Moore violated a court order to remove it based on first amendment interpretation, one you happen to like. The Alabama Supreme Court rightly removed him for disobeying the order. Other justices have clearly agreed with him since the founding of the nation. I think what you are really worried about is that the interpretation will go back to what the constitution actually says.

  184. Wes says:

    Well, here’s what the Constitution actually says in the relevant part of the FirstAmendment, Vito:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…

    The 14th Amendment further applies the Bill of Rights to the states.

    I believe you’re the one worried about constitutional interpretations based on exactly what the Constitution says.

  185. Mr.Vito says:

    Also, an evangelical simply believes the Bible is the source of religious authority, believes in salvation through Christ alone, and public profession of faith to others as directed by Christ.

    I’m not sure which of those things makes you apparently despise them so much…

  186. Mr.Vito says:

    Please show me the law Judge Moore made establishing religion…

  187. Mr.Vito says:

    You keep repeating the same phrase that Roy Moore would be reading…

    everyone knows it is the separation of church from state doctrine, specifically interpreted as removing religion from the state that you need to base your conclusion upon…

    why you keep pretending otherwise is beyond me.

  188. Wes says:

    If you want to use the canard of the “nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof” phrase following the previous one, well then know Moore carried a small placard of the 10 Commandments with him every day to court. No one other than chronically leftist anti-religious groups such Southern Poverty Law Center and Americans United for Separation of Church and State cared. I heard about it at the time and certainly wasn’t worried about it.

    It was not till he posted the monument he violated the Constitution and triggered his ultimately justified removal from the cpurt.

  189. Mr.Vito says:

    And of course, that interpretation is not in the Constitution…

  190. Mr.Vito says:

    Roy Moore posting commandments in his courtroom does not prevent someone from exercising their religion… again…

    it does hurt your feelings…

  191. Mr.Vito says:

    which I get.

  192. NYCmike says:



  193. Wes says:

    I’m not pretending anything, Vito. I posted only what the Constitution says. You’re the one accusing me of having an agenda I don’t have because what I post doesn’t comport with your beliefs.

  194. NYCmike says:

    “GOD RULES!”

    -The Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Yahweh? Allah? Zeus?

    Bill Clinton?

  195. Wes says:

    I never once said Moore prevented anyone from free exercise of religion by posting his monument. You put words in my mouth.

  196. Mr.Vito says:

    So did I… I have demonstrated that I would be consistent, so saying it has something to do with my belief system does not wash.

    You cannot draw your conclusion without a doctrine that is not in the Constitution of the United States, which is exactly why that doctrine is the mantra of those who use it, rather than any words in the US Constitution.

  197. Mr.Vito says:

    Not really much else to say.

  198. Wes says:

    Citing the exact words of the Constitution is now drawing a doctrine not present in the document.

    You’re right. There is nothing else to say when that becomes my debating partner’s argument.

  199. Mr.Vito says:

    Well, since you couldn’t show how he made a law establishing religion, nor prohibited the free exercise, the separation doctrine on which the decision is made is all you have.

    Pretty elementary.

  200. Wes says:

    More likely you just don’t like the fact that the Constitution doesn’t allow for the kind of Christian-based theocracy Roy Moore wants and have to accuse me of arguments I never made to try to undermine what I did say.

    Pretty elementary.

  201. Mr.Vito says:

    When you can demonstrate any rationale for any of what your saying feel free to post it…

    Since you were unwilling to argue for your point, I outlined how your repetitive claim that it’s in the Constitution falls apart. I gave a solid, coherent, and consistent argument that you have not refuted… in fact you acquiesced over and over.

    In some circles that is called putting words in someone’s mouth, I suppose.

    Polemicism really isn’t a good argument on your part.

  202. Mr.Vito says:

    I guess we can keep this up, if you really it’s a winner for you…

  203. Mr.Vito says:

    I guess we can keep this up, if you really *think* it’s a winner for you…