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Northam Leads By 5%/7% in VA

We have two new polls out for the gubernatorial race in Virginia and they show the race between Ralph Northam and Ed Gillespie in the single digits. Christopher Newport University has Northam up by 7%.

GOVERNOR – VIRGINIA (CNU)
Ralph Northam (D) 49%
Ed Gillepsie (R) 42%
Cliff Hyra (L) 4%

This poll was done October 2-6 among 616 likely voters. The previous CNU poll had Northam’s lead at 6%, so this is actually an increase for Northam. Meanwhile, Emerson College has the race at a 5% lead for Northam.

GOVERNOR – VIRGINIA (Emerson)
Ralph Northam (D) 49%
Ed Gillepsie (R) 44%
Cliff Hyra (L) 2%

This poll was done October 5-7 among 318 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 12:38 pm
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1,203 Responses to “Northam Leads By 5%/7% in VA”

  1. Bitterlaw says:

    First

  2. Wes says:

    Come on, Ed!

    Win one for the Gipper!

  3. jason says:

    He was violating the Constitution,”

    Roy Moore believes in the Constitution as much as Clive Bundy did.

    When they think it serves their cause, they believe in it.

    In Bundy’s case, the Constitution allowed him to use land that wasn’t his for free.

    Btw good luck to Bundy. Judge Gloria Navarro, who of course will strictly interpret the law on his upcoming trial on assault, conspiracy and other charges, just granted an extension on the trial date due to the Vegas shooting.

  4. Tina says:

    Nick Short ?? @PoliticalShort
    2016 Orlando- 49 killed
    2015 San Bernardino- 14 killed
    2015 Chattanooga- 4 killed
    2013 Boston Marathon- 3 killed
    2009 Ft. Hood- 13 killed
    Matthew Dowd @matthewjdowd
    Replying to @TomiLahren
    More Americans were killed in Las Vegas in one night than have been killed by radical islam in last ten years.
    5:17 AM · Oct 9, 2017

    Drat hack, dowd, destroyed.

  5. jason says:

    So the deadender takes away 4% from Gillespie.

    SEND A MESSAGE!

    Btw I saw a Libertarian newsletter the other day at a car rental.

    Half of it was dedicated to unilaterally pulling out of NATO and the other half was dedicated to attacking the death penalty.

    Great platform!

  6. jason says:

    n killed by radical islam in last ten years.”

    Is that the new statute of limitations?

    We forget 3000 killed by radical Islam because its 16 years?

  7. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    4. “More Americans were killed in Las Vegas in one night than have been killed by radical islam in last ten years.”

    How many more Americans will be killed by radical Islamic terrorists versus the Las Vegas killer over the next 10 years?

  8. jason says:

    October 17, 2016

    EWPORT NEWS, Va. – Hillary Clinton is now 15 points ahead of Donald Trump in Virginia, according to a new poll among Virginia voters.

    The findings of the poll, conducted by Christopher Newport University’s Wason Center for Public Policy, were released Sunday.

    On the five-candidate ballot, Clinton leads over Trump 44-29 percent.”

    Actual result

    Clinton 49.75% Trump 44.43%

  9. Tina says:

    Signing off, my properties in sonoma countynare under fire threat.

  10. jason says:

    In fairness to CNU, their last poll on the race had Clinton 46-39.

    CYA of course.

  11. Mr.Vito says:

    Their last poll of the Warner race was also +7

  12. jason says:

    Tina, your properties belong to the Government of California.

    Relax.

  13. janz says:

    Tina, wish you well in escaping any damage from the fires. Here on the somona coast, above San Fran, the entire horizon is covered in smoke drifting up from the fires. Looks serious….

  14. jason says:

    Here you go…they found a motive. He wanted to make people happy.

    “The man accused of carrying out last week’s deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas, Stephen Paddock, was a caring person who tried his best to “make people happy,” a friend and longtime employee of his told ABC News’ “Good Morning America” today.

    “He actually cared about everybody,” said Lisa Crawford of Dallas.

  15. jason says:

    I guess Hitler was misunderstood too?

    He wanted to save tens of millions from the ravages of old age?

  16. Trump says:

    “… but he would have won re-election easily.”

    Whatever makes you happy, morons.

    Corker would have won re-election easily, that is why he decided to quit.

    That’s how politics works, you quit what you could easily win. Romney’s 2nd term as MA governor.

  17. Trump says:

    “Yes, Strange is a 100 times better than the scumbag”

    Alabama GOP voters think otherwise.

    They booted the scumbag.

  18. jason says:

    Corker would have won re-election easily, that is why he decided to quit.”

    Zzzzzzzz.. many senators who could have won re-election have quit.

    And I am glad you have such respect for “GOP voters in Alabama”.

    I am sure you respect the GOP voters in Arizona who keep re-electing John McCain too.

    Baby steps, baby steps.

  19. Trump says:

    I respect all voters, moron.

    I loathe McCain, not his voters.

    You are the idiot who thinks politicians are saints and voters are stupid.

  20. Trump says:

    McCain is scum, not his voters, as*hole.

  21. Trump says:

    Maybe some of your saints like Ayotte and Flake and Castle could figure out how to win elections.

  22. Trump says:

    Corker wsa begging for re-election support.

    Then he saw what happened to Strange in Alabama.

    Baby steps, moron, baby steps.

    And Bill Haslam saw what happened to Corker.

  23. Wes says:

    Let’s see…

    Dirk Kempthorne
    Connie Mack
    Fred Thompson
    Phil Gramm
    Don Nickles
    Bill Frist
    Saxby Chambliss

    PseudoTrump is right. No Senator who would win reelection easily has ever retired.

  24. Wes says:

    Corker also had a C-list opponent with no money and a healthy lead in polls.

    Let’s not confuse PseudoTrump with facts though.

  25. Bitterlaw says:

    Some people want to be in Washington, D.C. forever. Some do not. Corker did not.

  26. Wes says:

    Of course Strange was a political appointee given a seat by a corrupt Governor as a favor for dropping a case against the Governor.

    As we know, all those factors applied to Corker.

    You just can’t fix stupid, as when a supposed resident of a state says his Senator will lose to a guy the Senator beats by 21 points.

  27. Trump says:

    Meanwhile, it is Corker who quit rather than face re-election.

    Because he was cruising.

  28. Trump says:

    The only facts are (1) Corker saw Strange go down in flames, and (2) Corker retired.

  29. Trump says:

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  30. Trump says:

    Who’s next?

    Flake, Heller?

  31. Trump says:

    How many in House have decided to spend more time with family?

  32. Trump says:

    “Bitterlaw says:
    October 9, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    Some people want to be in Washington, D.C. forever. Some do not. Corker did not.”

    Not because of not wanting to stay in Washington, DC.

  33. Wes says:

    Actually the only facts are that Corker saw a tainted appointed Senator lose and retired. Corker had no serious opposition and no ethical baggage.

    People who claim to know all about politics:

    1) That the GOP would be obliterated in 2016

    2) That Rob Portman would lose reelection

    3) That Donald Trump would get more votes in Ohio than Portman

    4) That the Democrats would regain the Senate in 2016

    5) That Dems could win the House in 2016

    really should do research before making declarations.

  34. Trump says:

    Meanwhile, Corker quit. Fact.

  35. Wes says:

    Another fact:

    All serious opposition bailed on the race until Corker announced his retirement.

    Marsha Blackburn didn’t pass on the race when Corker was still in because she thought she could beat him.

  36. Trump says:

    Serious opposition comes closer to election time.

    Any idiot would know that.

    Writing on the wall for Corker. He knows GOP voters, apparently. Unlike McConnell and Strange.

  37. Trump says:

    $30m down the drain for the miscalculation.

  38. Trump says:

    And with NRCC hurting for money, to boot.

  39. Wes says:

    Considering the NRCC has absolutely nothing to do with the Senate, I fail to see the relevance.

    I will say the $30 million was misdirected. McConnell though Brooks would be the harder opponent to beat and nuked him. In retrospect, he should have nuked Moore rather than giving him a pass. That way, whether Strange or Brooks won, the GOP would have a non-fringe candidate as nominee.

    As it was, the ethical cloud over Strange’s appointment overshadowed Moore’s problems.

    Oh, well.

    Live and learn.

  40. NYCmike says:

    Maybe McConnell should have let the voters decide, and keep the money for the opposition party…..just a thought.

  41. Wes says:

    You mean the way the Tea Party did in 2014 when they spent 200 times against fellow Republicans what they spent against Democrats, Mikey?

  42. NYCmike says:

    The Tea Party was formed to elect people who wanted to CHANGE Washington….not campaign in one way, and govern in another.

    Tea Party voters are still trying to finish the task.

  43. Mr.Vito says:

    Well, the establishment republicans got them an Obama supermajority… before that they got Clinton, Carter, and Watergate.

    Maybe they just wanted to try something new.

  44. NYCmike says:

    The Tea Party realize that Democrats are NOT partners when it comes to good governance, and the Tea Party also realizes that some Republicans need to be removed/replaced as well.

  45. Wes says:

    Ah. So when McConnell spends against fellow Republicans, it’s wrong. When the Tea Party does it, it’s perfectly fine.

    I’ll have to remember that for future reference.

  46. Mr.Vito says:

    Maybe they can both do what they want without it being something nefarious…

  47. Wes says:

    Yet the Tea Party backed Christine O’Donnell to the hilt for the express purpose of helping Chris Coons win a Senate seat. It looks as if they consider the Dems to be allies to me.

  48. Wes says:

    That’s not the argument Mikey was making, Vito.

  49. Wes says:

    I bet having Mike Castle be a Senator would have helped on ghat Obamacare repeal vote earlier this year when repeal failed by a single bote.

    The Tea Party thought having Chris Coons vote against repeal would somehow advance their agenda.

    How they reached that conclusion I can’t even imagine.

  50. Wes says:

    That*

    Vote*

  51. Mr.Vito says:

    Robbie assured us that Mo Brooks was a fringe deadender. So he gave us Roy Moore instead.

  52. Wes says:

    Robbie was wrong. Mo Brooks is no Deadender. He is a staunch conservative, but he’s far from a Roy Moore.

  53. Mr.Vito says:

    I highly doubt Mike Castle would have voted for Obamacare repeal. He would be further left than Collins and Murkowski.

    That’s if he even survived reelection, or ran again.

  54. Mr.Vito says:

    in 2016

  55. Wes says:

    Mike Castle voted three times against Obamacare repeal–once in committee and twice on the floor. He made multiple public statements arguing against the law–despite being from the home state of the then-Vice President. Even with all this, while sn active candidate, he never trailed a sinhle poll.

    You can doubt all you want, but actual facts say otherwise.

    As for losing reelection, he would have been up in 2014–the worst year Democrats have had in a midterm since 1918.

    Good luck beating him then.

  56. Mr.Vito says:

    So did McCain, Collins, and Murkowski.

  57. Wes says:

    What, are we playing guilt by association now? Because X did something, Y must follow suit? Surely you’re better than such a weak argument, Vito.

  58. NYCmike says:

    Mike Castle — Wes loves to live in the past. COD was a mistake, by many people. Deal with it.

    There are NOW incumbents who voted for a repeal bill which was sent to Obama….somehow the same bill was NOT sent to Trump, who would have signed it, NO DOUBT!

    In my opinion, people like Cruz, Lee, Scott, Rubio, Paul would have voted for that same bill…..but they are NOT the leadership in the Senate.

  59. NYCmike says:

    McConnell, the Leader in the Senate, made a decision to go after Mo Brooks.

    You did NOT say a word about that during the primary, which left the voters in Alabama a choice: Strange or Moore.

    McConnell doubled down, spending another insane amount of money, and Wes still says NOTHING about the actions taken by the leadership in the Senate.

  60. Mr.Vito says:

    Your argument is that if X does something, then X will do something again.

    I just gave three counterexamples of people, and explained why those three were more likely to do X than Castle, and still didn’t.

    yeah… weak.

  61. Mr.Vito says:

    By the way I didn’t make an argument, I cast doubt on one… quite strongly.

  62. Wes says:

    You played the guilt by association game and provided speculation based on others’ actions. I provided actual facts–which, because you couldn’t dispute them, you had to ignore to make your argument.

    I’m glad you agree how weak your argument was.

  63. Wes says:

    Collins, McCain, and Murkoski did what they did. They deserve opprobrium because of their actions.

    Mike Castle does not deserve to be libeled because of their acts.

  64. Wes says:

    Let’s forget about Mike Castle though. Kelly Ayotte voted against Obamacare in the Senate. The Tea Partiers ran an Indy openly to replace her with a moonbat.

    Was she going to suddenly switch her vote too if reelected?

  65. Mr.Vito says:

    Seriously?

    You speculated Castle would vote yes and gave facts in support. I speculated no and gave facts in support.

    Spouting emotional nonsense does nothing for your case…

  66. Wes says:

    That’s at least two potential votes for repeal taken out by the Tea Party.

    Is the argument now that every Republican with a viable chance to win a Senate election who lost was going to vote against repeal?

  67. Wes says:

    You gave no facts.

    You speculated on what Mike Castle would have done based on others’ actions. Those are not facts but unsubstantiated feelings.

    I do agree with you though.

    Spouting emotional nonsense does nothing for your case…

  68. Wes says:

    I gave what Castle actually did. You had to cite what McCain, Collins, and Murkowski did to make an unsubstantiated case against Mike Castle.

  69. Wes says:

    As I said, you’re making a case for guilt by association. The a tual actions of the man himself do not support your argument.

  70. Mr.Vito says:

    Apparently the argument is that every viable chance to vote against repeal that was lost was due to the tea party…

    I would say handing the Democrats 60 seats to pass Obamacare had a lot to do with it. I would say that the Tea Party did their fair share in winning those seats back.

    You seem to have a desire to castigate people… I’m not interested.

  71. Trump says:

    Ayotte lost because she thought Trump voters did not matter.

    She had two L candidates, who got 30k votes combined. She lost by 1,000 votes.

    Chris Sununu, who embraced Trump, also had a L candidate in the race, who received 30k votes (note, more than the 2 L candidates). Yet Sununu won by 16k.

    Lesson: Take Trump voters seriously. Don’t snip your nose to spite your face.

  72. DW says:

    Some might remember that I worked on an election night chronology, hour by hour summaries of key statements and data given by each network. I have literally dozens of pages of material and will be looking for somewhere to post it as part of the one-year anniversary of one of the greatest upsets in Presidential election history. Here are the hour by hour summaries:

    7:00-8:00: Hour of Coronation

    This opening hour was filled with jazzed coverage of Clinton breaking the glass ceiling, what went wrong with Trump who is already lashing out at his defeat, and the media reflecting on what the night means and where the country and the parties go from here. Early concerns about tight vote totals in Florida gave way to euphoric media coverage near the end of the 7 o’clock hour when Clinton retook lead in Florida that quickly grew as 8 pm approached.

    8:00-9:00: Hour of Confidence

    This second hour began with Clinton well ahead in FL, NC and OH. Concerns about VA were rightly set aside due to northern VA not reporting. This confidence launched the media into congratulatory remarks about Clinton’s robust ground game, as well as comments about high placed Republicans who are gravely concerned. Almost unnoticed by many of the networks was the fact that by 8:30 Trump had taken a modest lead in FL. Those who did notice, waved it off expecting southeast FL to come through for Clinton. However, as the hour of confidence marched on, some started to see some warning signs as 9:00 approached.

    9:00-10:00: Hour of Concern

    The hour did not get off to a good start for Clinton. She was declared winner of NY immediately, but that was all. Shockingly, MN and WI were deemed too close to call by all the networks. Interestingly, some of the networks seemed unprepared to analyze WI and therefore completely avoided the state. Right after the top of the hour Trump took the lead in OH and NC, also shocking the media. This led media analysts to openly affirm that Trump was still in play and the election is not yet over. This concern only strengthened as the hour moved along and Trump’s lead grew in FL, NC and OH. This hour the media shifted the narrative as Trump’s path grew wider, and Clinton’s narrower.

    10:00-11:00: Hour of Consternation

    Although most networks called Clinton the winner in CO, NM and VA during this hour, these results did not give any relief from the consternation over the numbers from NC, FL, MI, and WI. PA would only become a concern later when Trump closed the gap. The top of the hour got off to a good start for Clinton as she took the lead in VA. The momentum gained from VA was very short lived–by 10:30 the networks called OH for Trump and by the end of the hour, most were in full-blown panic.

    11:00-12:00: Hour of Catastrophe

    The media and Clinton supporters sat in stunned disbelief during this hour as they took catastrophe after catastrophe as the battleground states dropped into the Trump column. NC was called for Trump, then FL, UT, IA, and then the Fox News bombshell call of WI. It was over. Everyone knew it. Many knew in previous hours it was over, but now crying supporters were leaving the Javits Center. Some of the traditional broadcast networks were able to avoid being on the air from 11:00-11:30 due to local coverage.

    12:00-1:00: Hour of Confusion

    Nothing much happened during this hour. Some networks called NV for Clinton, but mostly this hour was networks analyzing what went wrong for Clinton, and the reports from the Javits Center suggested that the supporters there were confused because the Clinton campaign leadership went dark and no longer provided updates. Then Trump took the lead in PA and that lead grew throughout the hour, making all the more certain it was over but nobody knew what the Clinton campaign was thinking or doing. Adding to the confusion was the promise by some news anchors that they would have a declared winner within the hour, a promise that never happened.

    1:00-2:00: Hour of Complaining

    The media had time on its hands during this hour. Nothing was being called, but Trump’s leads were holding. So during this hour the coverage involved bitter complainers in the media lashing out at voters, each other, James Comey, Russia, or even Clinton’s lack of appeal or strategy. Some media analysts pushed hard the idea that the remaining states could not be called due to the possibility of absentee ballots.

    2:00-3:00: Hour of Concession

    The top of the hour started the end of the election with John Podesta’s strange speech, then the news that Trump was going to the Hilton to speak, followed by Clinton’s concession call and Trump’s victory speech.

    3:00-4:00: Hour of Cleanup

    The final hour of coverage began during Trump’s victory speech, followed by further media coverage on most networks where hosts and analysts attempted to take it all in and process the outcome of the election.

  73. Wes says:

    George Bush handed the Dems those 60 seats. Take that up with him.

    You know I’m no fan of his.

    As for the Tea Party’s help in winning back seats, I would cite DE, NV, CO, MO, and IN as counterexamples.

  74. Mr.Vito says:

    “You gave no facts.”

    Wes:
    Hypothesis: Castle votes yes
    Facts: Castle voted yes before when Obama would veto it anyway.

    Vito:
    Hypothesis: Castle votes no
    Facts: Castle is from a heavily blue state, heavily against repeal/replace; Castle has a history more left than McCain and Murkowski. McCain and Murkowski both voted for repeal when Obama would veto it anyway. McCain and Murkowski both voted against repeal.

  75. Trump says:

    Senate Race:

    D Winner M. Hassan 48.0% 354,268
    R K. Ayotte (i) 47.9% 353,525
    I A. Day 2.4% 17,702
    L B. Chabot 1.8% 12,988

    Gov Race:

    R Winner C. Sununu 49.0% 353,572
    D C. Van Ostern 46.7% 337,335
    L M. Abramson 4.3% 31,099

  76. Mr.Vito says:

    “As for the Tea Party’s help in winning back seats, I would cite DE, NV, CO, MO, and IN as counterexamples.”

    The hypothesis was that the Tea Party did their fair share in winning back seats. A good number of their candidates have won, and the mobilization of the republican base has been instrumental in even establishment seats from 2008-2016.

  77. Mr.Vito says:

    My statements have been so emotional… *sniffle*

  78. Wes says:

    I love your deduction, Vito:

    Castle voted yes.

    McCain, Collins, and Murkowski voted yes.

    McCain, Collins, and Murkowski then changed their votes to no.

    Ergo, Castle would have done the same.

    In debate class, we called that a logical fallacy.

  79. Wes says:

    In trying to dispute me, Trump makes my case that a three-way split in her vote was simply too much for Ayotte to overcome.

  80. Mr.Vito says:

    Proving an unprovable is not deductive… in fact I did not deduce anything. Just as you cannot deduce that Castle would have voted yes because he had in the past… that is also a huge logical fallacy in deduction.

    We are supporting our theories inductively. I didn’t realize this needed to be explained.

  81. Mr.Vito says:

    Unless you are Lord of the Universe that can see all, I think you should probably admit that we each have an opinion supported by fact, and neither can say what Mike Castle would actually do in a parallel reality.

  82. Wes says:

    I can cite Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Mike Lee, and Ron Johnson–and maybe Pat Toomey and Scott Brown (for awhile)–as overtly Tea Party-aligned candidates who won Senate seats. Pretty much all the rest lost–most notably in 2014 when mainline Republicans defeated every Tea Party challenger and in nearly all cases went on to win the general elections.

  83. Trump says:

    No, I dispute your assertion that the two L’s caused Ayotte’s defeat.

    Another candidate of the same party had similar votes taken by a L candidate, and still managed to win.

    So the presence of L candidates was not the determining factor. What sealed Ayotte’s fate, and presevered Sununu, was the diss of Trump by Ayotte.

  84. Wes says:

    Then why’d you start an argument, Vito, if by your own admission you can’t prove your assertion?

  85. Trump says:

    Maybe Ayotte should have kept her mouth shut, like Pat Toomey did.

  86. Trump says:

    But apparently virtue-signalling was more important to Ayotte.

  87. Wes says:

    Everything’s about Trump in Trumpland.

    Let’s ignore the fact that Aaron Day explicitly said he ran to help Hassan win and crowed about achieving his goal right after the eldction.

    It’s all about Trump.

    Sometimes, as Tip O’Neill famously said, all politics is local.

    Trump by the way ran behind Ayotte in New Hampshire. He had no votes to offer.

  88. Trump says:

    “Anti-Trump ESPN host suspended after calling for NFL ad boycott…”

    If one owner had fired a kneeling “son of a bitch” on day one, this flag/anthem nonsense would be history by now.

  89. Trump says:

    Doesn’t matter what Aaron Day explicitly said. How many votes did he get? Facts.

  90. Trump says:

    Good consolation for Ayotte. Trump had no votes to offer.

  91. Wes says:

    Enough to cost Ayotte the election as indicated by your own post. You really should read what you type better in the future.

  92. Wes says:

    17702>743, Trump.

    Math.

    You really should try it sometime.

  93. Mr.Vito says:

    “I can cite Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Mike Lee, and Ron Johnson–and maybe Pat Toomey and Scott Brown (for awhile)–as overtly Tea Party-aligned candidates who won Senate seats. ”

    Also Ted Cruz, and any others you left out. The Tea Party chose Steelman not Akin, who has won statewide office, so you can drop MO then. Establishment candidates have lost plenty of races from 2010-2016 as well.

    …the mobilization of the base for even establishment candidates that beat their candidates in 2008-2016 helped many more over the top…

    I think they did their fair share.

  94. Mr.Vito says:

    “Then why’d you start an argument, Vito…”

    I didn’t. I gave a different opinion.

  95. Wes says:

    In any event, I’ve been on here far too long today. Vito, I’ve enjoyed debating you even though it seems you and I will never agree on anything.

    PseudoTrump is still…well, PseudoTrump.

    Have a good day, all.

  96. Trump says:

    Cruising to re-election:

    “The White House is finalizing an executive order that would expand health plans offered by associations to allow individuals to pool together and buy insurance outside their states, a unilateral move that follows failed efforts by Congress to overhaul the health care system.”

  97. Mr.Vito says:

    “Trump by the way ran behind Ayotte in New Hampshire. He had no votes to offer.”

    Similarly, the people who voted Aaron Day were unlikely to give Ayotte their votes anyway.

    The establishment specifically ran candidates to make Trump lose, and were much more successful. Had Trump lost, we definitely would not be discussing repeal at all.

    Both sides have issues.

  98. Mr.Vito says:

    Wes, we can agree to respect each other in the end.

    If anything was personal, I didn’t mean it that way.

  99. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    72. DW, great election night chronology! Thank you for posting it.

  100. DW says:

    99 – those are just the summaries I post at the top of each hour…the info contained in the entire document exceeds 60 pages single spaced.

  101. jason says:

    “A Gallup poll published Monday morning found that 54 percent of Americans wish politicians in Washington would compromise to get things done. Only 18 percent want political leaders to stick to their beliefs even if it accomplishes little — a new low. And 28 percent fall somewhere in the middle. The gap between compromising and sticking to one’s principles is the widest since Gallup started asking the question in 2010.”

    Hey NYC, you are in good company. A full 18% want to send messages even if accomplishes nothing.

  102. Mr.Vito says:

    “Only 18 percent want political leaders to stick to their beliefs even if it accomplishes little — a new low.”

    Pretty sure that includes Democrats and neverTrumpers as well…

  103. Tina says:

    Reverend Al Sharpton @TheRevAl
    ESPN’s suspension of Jemele Hill is an outrage and should NOT go unanswered. ESPN and advertisers will hear from us!
    12:53 PM · Oct 9, 2017

    Shake down artist.

  104. DW says:

    Hey Al, maybe ESPN has been hearing from someone else?

  105. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    You really don’t understand, do you?

    That link I posted earlier today (twice, actually) looks to be pretty much based on Cotton/Perdue, which oddly enough, has many items which were bipartisan in nature just a few short years ago.

    If DACA babies want to stick around, their enablers (mainly Democrats, but some Republicans) better bring something to the table, otherwise the President can’t make a deal.

    Trump WANTS to compromise….what will the Democrats compromise on? Please let me know.

  106. NYCmike says:

    Repeat:

    Trump WANTS to compromise….what will the Democrats compromise on?

    Please let me know.

  107. NYCmike says:

    Trump agrees with the American people: He WANTS to compromise.

    What will the Democrats compromise on?

    What will the Republican leadership compromise on?

    Chain migration?

    E-Verify?

    A cut in legal immigration?

    Automatic welfare benefits to new immigrants, or will they need to have a sponsor?

  108. NYCmike says:

    Also, jason, please give the link, so that people at HHR can take a look for themselves.

  109. jason says:

    LOL, I wasn’t talking about Trump, I was talking about YOU.

  110. NYCmike says:

    Trump pushed a Republican bill, Cotton/Perdue.

    Some of the elements in that legislation are negotiable.

    What will the Democrats compromise on?

    I would like to know, because I want some of the items in Cotton/Perdue.

    I will compromise on DACA….what will Democrats (and RINOS) compromise on?

  111. DW says:

    Now with everything politicized, including sports, here is the MLB playoffs update, based on the location of the teams:

    Astros over Red Sox 2 games to 1 and are leading in game 4, on the brink of taking the series. Good news in that Boston is as liberal a town in a liberal state as you will find. Of course Houston is a liberal city but at least there are conservative fans in the suburbs and outward, and TX is a conservative state overall.

    Indians leading Yankees 2 games to 1. Good news in that NY is liberal stronghold and while Cleveland is liberal, many conservative fans in outer area of city in the now red state of OH.

    Cubs-Nationals series tied 1-1. Unfortunately one team has to advance, so hopefully it goes to a full 5 games and pitches get worn out making it easier for the advancing team to get beat in the NLCS.

    Dodgers leading Diamondbacks 2-0. Bad news as LA is liberal in a liberal state, while some parts of Phoenix are conservative.

  112. jason says:

    Won’t let me link to Gallup for some reason…

    Here is the gist of it though, or you can google it yourself

    http://thehill.com/homenews/news/354511-poll-majority-favors-compromise-among-political-leaders

  113. jason says:

    Trump pushed a Republican bill, Cotton/Perdue.”

    Zzzzzzz… “Republican” which wouldn’t get 20 R votes, and started DOA with the ridiculous 50% cut in legal immigration anyone with half a brain knew was going nowhere.

    Let’s get real here.

    Wake me up when there is a bill with an actual chance of getting at least 90% of the R caucus onboard, otherwise have fun sending messages.

  114. Mr.Vito says:

    There were several so far, but it was the establishment Rs sending the messages.

  115. Mr.Vito says:

    I wonder if Cotton/Purdue would have gotten 90% as long as Obama were still president.

  116. DW says:

    And the Red Sox are out of the playoffs. A Red State has defeated a Blue State.

  117. janz says:

    DW, succinct timeline of the 2016 election. It was refreshing to relive the MSM’s disbelief of what happened to their chosen candidate!

  118. Jonesy says:

    96. Thanks for the info. Heard that rumor the other day. Insurance companies pissed. Next will be easier access to prescription drugs, which big pharma does not want to happen.

    Can use a EO to wipe out the ind mandate?

  119. Jonesy says:

    Ayotte did a great job of helping Gorsuch get confirmed for Trump. She and the POTUS are on good terms.

    I would love to see her on the D.C court of Appeals

  120. Jonesy says:

    73. with a lot of help from John McCain and his awful campaign in 2008, Wes.

    I blame McCain for all this present Rino Hunting, not Corker or Collins etc…

    McCain sabotaged HC and gloated about it, he has made it much tougher for GOP moderates to do their jobs

  121. BRENT says:

    i have ed by 2

  122. Jonesy says:

    If McCain votes for the first HC repeal bill, does Corker retire?

    Does Strange lose to Moore?

  123. Jonesy says:

    121. Really Brent? Gillespie? hope you are right

  124. DW says:

    Here is just a small sample of the material I have collected for my Election Night Coverage Chronology. As you can see, more than any of them ABC News was out there in la-la-land:

    9:04 pm

    Trump projected winner in AR by Fox News.
    Brit Hume on Fox News observes that live online prediction models like 538 show a significant shift in Trump’s favor.
    Analyst on ABC reminds their panel that Clinton campaign has set its sights on GA, AZ, and UT.
    Steve Schmidt and Rachel Maddow on MSNBC remind viewers that Trump criticized John McCain for being a prisoner of war.
    Scott Pelley on CBS says, “it is going to be a long, close race tonight,” after observing that none of the battleground states have been called.

    9:05 pm

    Chris Wallace on Fox News says he is now “open to the possibility Donald Trump could be the next president of the United States.”
    ABC news reports that Mike Pence is on the way to join Trump to watch the results.
    Tom Brokaw suggests that Clinton was way ahead in the polls, then Comey made his announcement and she went down, and then on Sunday Comey dropped in the investigation, so she seems to be making a comeback. Brokaw admits that the race is tight, and it is going deeper into the evening that people thought it would.
    Anthony Mason on CBS looks at PA exit polling and finds Clinton leading Trump 73/24 in urban areas, Trump leading Clinton 72/24 in rural areas, while being tied at 48 in suburbs. However, Mason suggests there is good news for Clinton in that Mitt Romney won (at 52%) suburban women in PA four years ago, but Clinton is winning them tonight 56/40. The good news for Trump is him winning late deciders in PA 52/39, and PA had no early voting.

    9:06 pm

    Brit Hume on Fox News: “[Trump] is in this.”

    9:07 pm

    Trump projected winner in AR by CBS.
    Fox news projects McCain winner over Kirkpatrick in AZ senate race.
    Chuck Todd on NBC looks at the FL map again, and with 92% reported, says the remaining votes in Broward County makes the Clinton people really happy. He says there is still a little more out of Miami-Dade which has already shattered turnout records, but Todd found Hillsborough has tightened some, to the point where Trump’s deficit is smaller than Romney’s was. Todd concludes it is going to be very, very close.
    CNN now describes Trump’s lead in FL as ‘impressive.’ John King says Trump is running it up among rural voters.
    MSNBC’s Steve Karnacki checks on NC and finds Trump has now taken the lead.

    9:08 pm

    ABC News analyst characterizes Trump’s efforts at the upper Midwest as ‘experimenting’ among states, describes MI as favorable for Clinton.
    Chuck Todd on NBC looks at VA with 68% reported, and finds Trump’s lead beginning to narrow as northern VA still has yet to count most of its votes.
    John Dickerson on CBS says the close race looks like a generic Democrat versus a generic Republican. Norah O’Donnell asks the CBS panel what you are nervous about if you are in Trump Tower. Scott Pelley responds, “You are holding your breath.” John Dickerson counters that you are happy it’s a tossup race, but warns that Trump has to win in more places than Clinton. Bob Schieffer insists that there are no surprises yet; however, he is surprised FL has not been called. He then asks for more information about what is going on in GA. He goes on to warn that Trump is going to need to start winning something he wasn’t supposed to win.

    9:09 pm

    Trump projected winner in AR by ABC.
    Fox News reports a ‘palpable increase of enthusiasm’ at Trump campaign headquarters.
    Nicolle Wallace upon seeing the tight races in NC and VA concludes that it is going to be a long night. She says that if Trump can hold some of these early states then MI or MN could be the next step in his path. Rachel Maddow reminds them that MN and MI are too close to call, not too early (meaning they have data returned, and it shows a very tight race). Steve Schmidt responds that there must be nervously optimistic in Trump tower, and sweat on the brow at Clinton headquarters.
    Gayle King on CBS nervously asks John Dickerson if we thought these battleground states were going to be so close. Dickerson waffles, suggesting that things have tightened and normally by now battleground states are being called, but we knew it was going to be this close based on the polls.

    9:10 pm

    Trump projected winner in AL by NY Times.
    Andrea Mitchell at Clinton headquarters says the Clinton campaign was so confident about VA that they took money out of the state to spend elsewhere. The fact that VA is closer than they expected is not good news for them. The campaign is still watching FL and are hopeful about NC due to extended voting hours in Durham, and MI makes them nervous as they didn’t get the numbers out of Detroit they wanted. Mitchell asks the panel about the Omaha, NE district, because George Soros promised he would deliver that district to Clinton, going door to door to get the vote out. Lester Hold ignores her question and never checks on it.
    ABC news does a post-mortem on why Trump is expected to lose WI, due to conservatives never warming to him.
    MSNBC interviews Howard Fineman who says he spoke to the Clinton team, just a few hours ago they expected Clinton to win FL by 5 points. Obviously this is not happening based on current totals. He says the question around the world is whether or not this election is another Brexit. Voters going for non-globalist ideals. He concludes that with FL and VA so close it is not a good sign for Clinton.
    John Dickerson on CBS says that MI is about to become one of the states talked about as Trump made a last ditch effort there.
    CNN still looking at FL to see if there is any path for Clinton, and while they were discussing it, the numbers for Broward County jumped to almost 50% reported and it barely moved the advantage for Trump statewide. CNN’s John King is now skeptical about Clinton’s chances and says Trump campaign should be happy with these numbers. 93% now counted in FL.

    9:11 pm

    Fox News reports that perhaps there was good reason for Clinton’s team canceling the victory fireworks.
    Clinton projected winner in CT by ABC.
    James Carville interviewed on MSNBC says FL is a problem right now, and if Clinton loses VA she loses the election. Carville says he expected to be in a better mood at this point.
    NBC looks at MI and finds Trump ahead by 71 votes, and in OH Trump leads by 161,906 votes with 46% reported.
    CBS’s Charlie Rose interviews Frank Luntz, Peggy Noonan and Michael Gerson, asking them why the race is so close. Luntz says the reason is that everyone showed up to vote today. Noonan responds by reflecting on how Trump appealed to the white working class, but not the Latino working class or the black working class. Gerson sees a reaction to the establishment and globalization.
    CNN’s John King reports that OH is now swinging to Trump.

    9:12 pm

    Trump projected winner in AR and TX by CNN.
    Michael Steele interviewed on MSNBC points to Trump’s strategy of locating the rural white vote the reason for the tight race.
    Fox News reports that there is no public concern yet at the Clinton campaign headquarters.
    Katy Tur at the Trump headquarters reports for NBC that the feeling in the room is very excited, very upbeat. The longer the night draws out the better it is for them. She says Trump had pulled out of VA three weeks ago, but it is close. She says the Trump campaign doesn’t think they will call OH until tomorrow. But they are also focusing on MI. They think his jobs message will resonate in MI, and the black vote will be down, as is the democrat vote in Flint, MI.

    9:13 pm

    ABC analyst says the Clinton campaign thinks they have AZ ‘locked-in.’
    Frank Luntz on CBS says issues did not matter in this election. Luntz looking exit polling says only 53% felt Clinton was qualified, while just 37% said the same of Trump. As to having the right temperament, Clinton won 56% to Trump’s 34%. He concludes people voted on persona, and that is where Clinton had the advantage. Peggy Noonan counters that Trump did have ideas, but his actions caused voters to doubt that he had the right temperament. Michael Gerson concludes the exchange by pointing out that neither candidate has the skills to bring the country together.

    9:14 pm

    CNN’s John King shows the map of states and points out that Trump now has a path to 270 in that he leads in FL, VA, OH, WI and MI.
    NBC report from Cleveland, OH says both sides are very nervous. However, there was not a big turnout in Cleveland. The reports are that there was no late rush, no long lines.
    John Dickerson on CBS says he was talking with some Senate Republicans who were already saying what Clinton would have to do should she win. They were already assuming a bad night for Trump.

    9:15 pm

    MSNBC’s Steve Karnacki looks again at FL, and he says there are some votes in Broward to come in. The problem is there isn’t much election day vote left. The GOP areas also have more votes. 148,000 vote gap appeared as Karnacki spoke, jumping about 15,000 votes in Trump’s favor.
    CBS looks quickly at FL to find Trump ahead 4,478,984 to 4,330,262 with 93% reported, and in NC, Trump leading 1,633,004 to Clinton’s 1,611,109.

    9:16 pm

    CNN’s John King takes a close county by county look at VA to see how many votes are left and concludes there are a lot of votes left for Clinton. King points out that regardless the outcome few on either side would have envisioned VA still being a tossup with 71% of the vote counted and Trump slightly leading.

    9:17 pm

    VA moved from Leaning Clinton to Tossup by CBS. John Dickerson explains that this means it is getting closer for Trump. He says he does not know why, so Scott Pelley goes to Anthony Salvanto, their data analyst. Salvanto says the western part of the state is going to Trump more heavily than anyone expected. Clinton is doing well in the DC suburbs, not quite well enough. He sees a rural, urban split.
    CNN looks at NC where 71% of the vote has been counted. Trump leads by about 20,000 votes. John King believes there are many Democrat areas not yet reported in.

    9:18 pm

    ABC report from Trump headquarters says the mood has dramatically changed, with the crowd much more hopeful as they see the FL results.
    Chuck Todd on NBC looks at NC and finds Trump leading by over 20,000 votes with 71% reported; in FL he finds 93% reported and suggests it all comes down to Broward County.
    Anthony Salvanto on CBS looks at FL and he sees Clinton doing well in southeast FL, but not quite well enough. Trump is adding up small numbers of voters in small counties, and it offsets southeast FL. Pelley responds that Trump must win FL to win the presidency, and so far he is doing it.

    9:19 pm

    ABC analysts agree that “Trump is in the game.”
    Susannah Guthrie on NBC says “there are some real jitters setting in at Clinton headquarters right now…and there is hope on the Trump side.”

    9:20 pm

    CNN looks at OH and finds there is very good news for the Trump campaign with a 200,000 vote lead and a lot of rural votes yet to be counted. He points out that Trump is performing better than Romney in blue-collar industrial areas.

  125. Jonesy says:

    Thanks DW. Good Stuff

  126. DW says:

    After reviewing all this election night coverage, the order in which I would rank networks is as follows:

    1) Fox News. They were far from perfect but at least had the courage to call WI hours before the others.

    2) CNN. Yes, they were cheering for Hillary, but at least did so with a solid format and focused on data, not the stupid comments of dimwits on a panel. Jake Tapper was actually very sober and didn’t sugar-coat the results like Wolf Blitzer wanted him to. John King was the best data analyst of all the networks.

    3) NBC. On the whole were faster with their calls than many of the others. Chuck Todd was not as good as those on CNN, and he was clearly annoyed at the results, but at least he came to grips with reality when things went against Hillary.

    4) CBS. Their moribund hosts put you to sleep and they were painfully slow making calls. Someone needs to put Bob Schieffer out to pasture.

    5) MSNBC. You knew they would be hard-left and they were. Brian Williams wouldn’t even mention Trump’s win when he signed off the coverage. Matthews and Maddow were completely unhinged, so it was worth watching just for their meltdowns.

    6) ABC. Absolutely worthless coverage. They really didn’t know what was going on, so they just stuck to their scripts that Hillary was going to win. They had way too many panelists, and they weren’t much good either.

  127. DW says:

    ABC was so bad they at one point distinguished between Dane County Wisconsin, where Clinton would pick up a lot more votes and Madison County Wisconsin, where coincidently, she would pick up about the same number of votes.

  128. DW says:

    Of course Madison, WI is in Dane County–there is no Madison County, but ABC was too clueless to correct the error.

  129. Jonesy says:

    Dw, worst of the night was the club of election campaign losers like Kristol, N Wallace, Schmidt, the idiot from Jeb’s campaign, and Stuart Stevens. All talked how bad Trump was, and how great McCain and Romney, Jeb were.

    All heroes of Robbie

  130. janz says:

    When news people are soaked in their own bias it must be difficult coming to grips with a reality that is so opposed to that bias. Perhaps ABC became disoriented, having something similar to a mental GPS malfunction, which mght explain their election night behavior.

  131. NYCmike says:

    “All heroes of Robbie”

    vs

    “Trump Chumps!”

  132. BayernFan says:

    what about PBS? They were the only ones who explained why Podesta had to tell them to leave the Javits Center at 2am.

  133. BayernFan says:

    BBC coverage was interesting…they had some black lesbian woman panelist who was the most unhinged of any panelist I saw.

  134. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Janz talking about other people being unhinged.

    Roflmao.

    Some people are so dense.

    Has this safe space of old unemployed baby boomers made you that delusional?

  135. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Janz talking about other people being unhinged.

    Roflmao.

    Some people are so dense.

    Has this safe space of old unemployed baby boomers made you that delusional?

  136. Wes says:

    Hey, bitch, Janz is the least offensive poster on this board. She actually nailed the reason for the poor election coverage perfectly. You don’t like the fact that she spoke the truth, so you have to demean and denigrate. She doesn’t deserve that, and I’ll be goddamned if I’ll stand by and not respond when a pathetic chump suffering from PTSD like you attacks her.

  137. Mr.Vito says:

    good news… Noisy Gong only stalks you all here, and isn’t a poster of any consequence, otherwise it would be more familiar with your ages.

  138. Tina says:

    jon gabriel
    jon gabriel @exjon
    ·
    3m
    Sharpton’s boycotting ESPN for suspending Jemele Hill who is boycotting ESPN ads because Jerry Jones is boycotting players who are boycotting the national anthem.
    Reverend Al Sharpton @TheRevAl
    ESPN’s suspension of Jemele Hill is an outrage and should NOT go unanswered. ESPN and advertisers will hear from us!

  139. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    TrumpIsPeteWilson is former poster Obamacon. He made so much of a fool of himself, he changed his title.

  140. DW says:

    128 – I kept debating whether or not to include the PBS coverage in my research. In the end I decided against it. I know they had that one thing right, and I did make a special note of that one thing in the document.

    But…

    1) PBS didn’t have their own projection team, they just reported whatever the AP said.

    2) PBS has David Brooks–do I need any more reasons to not include them?

    3) PBS is supported by viewers like immediate family and friends. Thank you.

    The document was already long, and given that PBS’s viewership share had to be less than 1%, I saw no reason to make the document longer.

  141. Mr.Vito says:

    The PBS panel was just hand-wringing awful.

  142. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I did not like the FOX coverage; although that made the calls in a timely manner (unlike the other networks) the news anchors not good.

    Would rate CNN as the best coverage.

    MSNBC was enjoyable to watch to see the meltdown, particularly after North Carolina was called. You also could sense that Brian Williams and Rachel Maddox did not like each other.

  143. Bitterlaw says:

    If anything was personal, I didn’t mean it that way.

    WTF, Mr. Vito. This is not how A-holes conclude arguments.

  144. Bitterlaw says:

    CNN had the best coverage. Their map was awesome. I bet if someone wanted it, the map analyst could have taken it to street level:

    Well, here on Orange Street in Madison, we are waiting on Mrs. Melick and Mr. Larsen to go to the polls. In 2012, they both voted for Obama. This year, Larsen was leaning Trump as of yesterday.

  145. Mr.Vito says:

    Mr.Bitter is never touched by my peace offerings.

    He does not think an A-hole should ever be touched.

  146. Bitterlaw says:

    He does not think an A-hole should ever be touched.

    We can’t all be Tg…wait. That would be over the line.

  147. DW says:

    CNN’s strengths on election night clearly were John King (the data analyst) and Jake Tapper. Dana Bash didn’t add much and usually just stated the obvious. Wolf Blitzer repeatedly tried to cheerlead but Tapper or King would stop him with facts.

    CNN also did well in that their plan was to keep ‘panelist’ comments to a minimum. Other networks went heavy on panelists thinking it would give all these people a chance to weigh in on Clinton’s victory.

    But when she started losing and lost–they ended up not have anything useful to say because they didn’t know what was going on any more than anyone else–so they looked like fools.

    So while John King was combing through counties in battleground states on CNN, other networks forced viewers to listen to Bill Kristol or Peggy Noonan say nothing or next to nothing.

  148. DW says:

    But I still have to list Fox News first only because they called WI at 11:30 and others waited until Trump was actually speaking at 3:00 am.

  149. Tina says:

    https://t.co/1VwRgv6Q0X

    Is thismstory why corker is not running again?

  150. Mr.Vito says:

    The Fox hosts were far more entertaining than the others… well, other than Chris Matthews and his outbursts.

  151. Proud Obamacon says:

    Happy Indigenous Peoples’ Day yall!

  152. NYCmike says:

    No way tina, Corker is more pure than Snow White….or is it white snow?

  153. DW says:

    The best was when MSNBC/NBC called NC for Trump. Matthews didn’t realize his mic was on and you could here him mutter ‘well that’s a bitch!’

  154. BRENT says:

    123. yes,i have ed up by 2 pts currently

  155. Proud Obamacon says:

    #154 LOL

  156. Bitterlaw says:

    At halftime, the Vikings lead the Bears 3-2. Riveting game.

  157. Tina says:

    US Attorney in Puerto Rico investigating official who was keeping supplies for “constituents who had voted for them” https://www.metro.pr/pr/noticias/2017/10/09/fiscalia-federal-confirma-pesquisa-alcaldes-se-apropian-ayuda-fema.html
    4:29 PM – Oct 9, 2017

    Ruh roh.

    Commie mayor

  158. janz says:

    Tina, how are your N. CA properties doing?

    I can’ believe the speed and extent of acreage these fires have covered in such a short amount of time. The smoke has gotten so intense that you can’t even go outdoors. Santa Rosa has been mightily effected, with entire neighborhoods wiped out. And, supposedly the fire there is zero contained! Just awful….

  159. Mr.Vito says:

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

    It is hard to believe we are being told the real story when basic facts change so drastically. Now the guard is shot with 200 rounds through the wall 6 minutes before Paddock starts firing on the crowd, and no one knows why he stopped.

  160. Mr.Vito says:

    They also say he checked in three days earlier than they claimed before.

  161. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Hasn’t McCaskill’s political obituary been written in prior elections?

    Sheeple- I will believe that she loses when she really loses.

  162. NYCmike says:

    test

  163. NYCmike says:

    Scenes from Tw*tter:

    “Just saw this for first time. Suspended for that? What b*llsh*t.”

  164. NYCmike says:

    -MD NOW believes that an employee of a company who advocates the boycott of her employers clients should be able to do so without fear of any consequence.

    Jeez Louise……he has gone crazy……at least Author just tweets about/celebrates Halloween for the whole month of October…..you know….like normal 20-something year olds.

  165. mnw says:

    Contra a poster you folks ID as Robbie:

    If Bannon were planning to back Martin against Hawley in MO, then why is Breitbart giving Hawley GREAT coverage, including right now?

  166. NYCmike says:

    Agree with Sheeple….no need for over-confidence in MO….behave as if you are 3 down with a week to go, until you get sworn in.

  167. NYCmike says:

    I mean with Bitter…

  168. mnw says:

    Hawley is almost unique among GOP challengers today in that he is equally popular with GOPe (Bond; Danforth & all the rest who have already endorsed him), AND with conservative activists in MO, imo.

  169. Tina says:

    Janz, we are fine, thanks.

    Hopefully, they can get some containment today and restore communications.

  170. Tina says:

    FOX & friends @foxandfriends
    “NOTHING TO NEGOTIATE”: Rep. Nancy Pelosi threatens to shut down the government if Republicans don’t protect ‘Dreamers’

  171. Bitterlaw says:

    Jesus, Mary and Joseph. MD has completely gone to the dark side. His twitter posts say Trump supporters are stupid racists. He blames Trump for not condemning Weinstein. He is angry with Pence for walking out of the game.

    I don’t recognize my A-hole anymore.

  172. NYCmike says:

    It looks like someone else understands this game:

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/10/trumps-list.php

    “Certainly, Trump’s list is aggressive. It is best viewed as an opening bid. I’m pretty sure Trump would sign DACA legislation that did not include all of the items he enumerated. If so, the list represents an attempt to negotiate a compromise.”

  173. NYCmike says:

    From the comments….I think this guy knows jason:

    “Trump failed to act like a republican. His opening move wasn’t to reach across the aisle and surrender.”

  174. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    I also checked out Author’s Twitter…..once you get past the Halloween/Disney tweets, there are a couple videos from military vets supposedly volunteering on Puerto Rico and they are claiming that they are NOT getting the support they thought they would get. It is tough to know which stories are true in places that are as far away as that.

  175. Mr.Vito says:

    “Jesus, Mary and Joseph. MD has completely gone to the dark side. His twitter posts say Trump supporters are stupid racists. He blames Trump for not condemning Weinstein. He is angry with Pence for walking out of the game.”

    MD went to the dark side before he left… among other things, he was vicious to janz, who he once protected from the same language, said dblaikie was a sham pastor, and said he would never respect another evangelical Christian.

  176. Bitterlaw says:

    MC was an anti-gay loon. Gay marriage has been a complete zzzzzzzzzzz since SCOTUS ruled. As far as I know, no straight person has been forced to marry a member of the same sex by any state or Federal government.

  177. jason says:

    Liberalism is a disease I guess. I don’t know anybody in this blog who over the years became more conservative. However, there are a few who became more liberal.

    Of course, there is Trump. Roy Moore. Trump caused me to leave the R party, didn’t make me more liberal. In MD’s and Author’s case, he did. Wobbie, who was already wobbly, surrendered 100% to the MSM.

    It’s unfortunate.

  178. jason says:

    “His opening move wasn’t to reach across the aisle and surrender.”

    Translation: WE ARE WINNING!

  179. jason says:

    DW, I am still looking for a video of Univision’s election night coverage. I saw Telemundo’s but I really wanted to see the meltdown on Univision.

  180. Bitterlaw says:

    MD uses similar language to Trump Guru. Hmmmmmm.

  181. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason is also looking for the coverage from Machu Pichu. The llama carrying the video is slow.

  182. jason says:

    King was good, he didn’t grasp at straws and he didn’t tell Wolf to GFH for interrupting him repeatedly. Sometimes when King was explaining something important about a shift in a FL county Wolf would say let’s go to Ohio.

    One mistake he did make, and others too, was repeating the “Broward Co has not come in yet” meme, when it was obvious that the totals shown in Broward were close to the 2012 turnout, so that should have told him there wasn’t a hidden miracle vote there for Clinton. In addition the 93% vote in with some panhandle vote still to come should have told him there could not be 500k votes left in Broward which would have been necessary to wipe out Trump’s lead.

  183. jason says:

    The Canadian broadcast is worth watching too. They had a black woman on their panel who called Trump a racist and his supporters racist every time they turned to her.

    She would say things like “none of these battleground states should even be close”. Hilarious.

  184. Mr.Vito says:

    The biggest mistake these people were making was thinking the incoming votes would match the percentages they had from the early vote rather than being the far more republican election day vote.

  185. Mr.Vito says:

    Oh, yeah, the CBC coverage was full of exploding heads.

  186. Mr.Vito says:

    That lady was a piece of work.

  187. Mr.Vito says:

    I also watched the election night coverage from actual white supremacists.

  188. jason says:

    Jason is also looking for the coverage from Machu Pichu.”

    One of the concerns in the broadcast was Trump was going to buy Machu Pichu and convert it into a driving range for people who wanted to hit a 5000 yard drive. But it was in the Aymara language so I might have not understood it completely.

  189. Bitterlaw says:

    MSNBC’s map guy was very good. He knew it was over long before the hosts would admit it. They were begging him to find more Hillary votes and he would not lie to them.

  190. jason says:

    The biggest mistake these people were making was thinking the incoming votes would match the percentages they had from the early vote rather than being the far more republican election day vote.”

    And failing to account for the early vote in the extrapolations of “what was out”.

    But maybe part of that was to keep Dems glued to the TV to see their “counties come in”.

  191. Mr.Vito says:

    Hemmer and Stirewalt did fine analyxing the numbers on Fox… Kelly also went directly to the decision guys to ask what votes they were waiting on and how long it might take.

  192. Trump says:

    MSNBC’s map guy was the loon Steve Kornacki.

    You all should watch his earlier “analysis”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaaEYC4RDUQ

    The craziest idiot out there. Almost cretin Robbie level.

  193. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #169
    Hawley(R-MO) appears to have gotten all stripes of Republicans on board his campaign.
    Not only Danforth and other establishment types, but conservative groups like the Club for Growth.
    Of course, the Senate race is not over until the fat lady sings, but,right now, the lady is heading toward the opera house!

  194. Mr.Vito says:

    192 Right. There were other broadcasts that looked at the vote totals and said… well, we are already at 75, 90, 100 percent of the total 2012 vote, so maybe there are X many votes left… i want to say Rove was doing that on Fox.

  195. Trump says:

    They pay for this level of looniness. What a country!

  196. jason says:

    You liked Kornacki? He got very excited at any good news for Clinton.

  197. jason says:

    Have you heard of the “Springsteen voter” in PA?

    “COSTA: Because if the turnout in Philadelphia is strong and you get not
    only the urban voters in Philadelphia, but you get the Springsteen voters
    in the suburbs and elsewhere, then any kind of strange occurrence in west,
    if you get hundreds of thousands of working class voters who usually don`t
    turn out coming out in the Pittsburgh suburbs and then the
    Democrats will be fine. If it comes out around President Obama levels in
    terms of Democratic turnout in Philly.”

  198. DW says:

    “One mistake he did make, and others too, was repeating the “Broward Co has not come in yet” meme, when it was obvious that the totals shown in Broward were close to the 2012 turnout, so that should have told him there wasn’t a hidden miracle vote there for Clinton. In addition the 93% vote in with some panhandle vote still to come should have told him there could not be 500k votes left in Broward which would have been necessary to wipe out Trump’s lead.”

    Jason, this is spot-on. I noticed the exact same thing. King would keep clicking on red counties on the FL peninsula saying, 100% reported, 100% reported, so there aren’t many more votes Trump can get…but he never would go up and check on the panhandle which closed an hour later. And exactly right about Broward….it kept saying 0% in but he early vote was huge…the biggest flaw in CNN’s computer was when King clicked the button to look at 2012 for comparison, all it showed was the vote percentage and it did NOT show the raw vote which is what King needed to know so as to have an idea of what to expect.

  199. DW says:

    Kornacki was a cheerleader for the most part.

  200. DW says:

    Another thing that CNN did that I think had to be pre-planned…they spaced out their calls of states in a way to make it seem more exciting. They would have a state that could and should be called, but they would wait until a lull then put on the screen a notice to stay tuned for a CNN Projection. It was an artificial way to add drama.

  201. Mr.Vito says:

    There was nothing wrong with that August clip from Kondracke… he just showed what the polls said. He said over and over it was not a prediction… he said over and over it was if Hillary had a 10 point win in the popular vote like polls were claiming.

    In that scenario, his analysis is correct, and even Trumps numbers guys would agree with him.

  202. Mr.Vito says:

    Kornacki…

  203. Bitterlaw says:

    My wife loves Springsteen. She did not vote for President but voted for all other Republucans.

  204. jason says:

    Btw, Kansas, “leaning R”…

    Trump 671K
    Hillary 427k

  205. jason says:

    I hate Springsteen. I did not vote for President but voted for all other Republicans.

  206. Hugh says:

    The thing about broward is that the vast majority vote early and much more so with dems. I live in broward and knew they were in la la land with there expectation which was really just hope.

  207. Mr.Vito says:

    Springstein songs still give me migraines.

  208. Cash Cow TM says:

    Kornacki

    kick Nora

  209. Cash Cow TM says:

    Kornacki

    kick Nora

  210. jason says:

    LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST: Tonight, the really big winner in the
    Wisconsin recall election is — President Obama.

  211. jason says:

    Sometimes you have to feel sorry for Kornacki, here he gives a convoluted answer to Maddow’s Hail Mary that Ossoff lost because of the weather.

    “Steve, let me ask you one last question on this. If there was a turnout effect from the bad weather today in the district, does that have any partisan implications that you could foresee in terms of what was expected for same day, election day voting rather than the early vote?”

    “Yeah. Well, and potentially. It all depends where — this is anecdotal and we’ll see when the results come in. There have been anecdotal reports and I’ve even heard Republicans saying this. That the turnout in Dekalb — this is the Democratic part of the — this is where, if you’re Ossoff you want to be getting 60, 61, 62 percent of the vote. You’re expecting that. He got 60 percent in DeKalb.

    In the early vote, there have been some anecdotal reports that the turnout here in DeKalb, less than expected. That could be a same-day effect — you can attribute that to anything. We’ll see if that turns out, but that’s something else and obviously, if you get into an election like this where it’s going to be decided by a point or two, you could blame anything, whichever side you turn up on.”

    Well, okay.

  212. jason says:

    That could be a same-day effect — you can attribute that to anything. We’ll see if that turns out,…”

    He was right. It turns out it could be attributed to anything.

  213. DW says:

    One of the more interesting things about the election night coverage was trying to deduce from the expressions and the body language of the hosts and analysts for the moment they knew it was over. I think for CNN’s John King it was when he was showing Wolf Blitzer the FL numbers and how Broward County had almost nothing for a % reported (even though there were huge number of votes showing on the screen). While they were talking the % suddenly jumped way up, and they eagerly went back out to the full-state view hoping to see Clinton back close to a lead and the numbers had hardly changed at all. The look on King’s face and his reaction seemed to suggest he knew at that moment Trump had won FL, and likely the election with it.

  214. Mr.Vito says:

    Could be… as much as the Clinton team kept insisting they would win Florida by 5…

  215. jason says:

    When Hillary released that cryptic tweet “Whatever happens tonight….” the MSM probably knew it was over.

    That is why the narrative changed from Clinton will win to it looks good for Trump in very little time.

  216. NYCmike says:

    Almost a year later…and still enjoyable!

  217. NYCmike says:

    I think I need Robbie to show up to keep me grounded!

  218. Jonesy says:

    Trump ends the war on coal, but the Miners Union endorses Northam(D) in Virginia.

    WTF?

  219. Jonesy says:

    195. Bannon went to Harvard and a Naval Officer. He should be smart enough to leave Missouri alone, that pickup keeps the Senate GOP for Trump

  220. Jonesy says:

    Tina will love this.

    Conservative legal groups blast McConnell for letting Senate have Fridays off.

    Heritage wants Judges confirmed quicker and want floor votes every week . But GOPers love their Fridays off

  221. Robbie says:

    So President Moron wants to challenge Rex Tillerson to an IQ test.

  222. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    October 10, 2017 at 11:11 am
    195. Bannon went to Harvard and a Naval Officer. He should be smart enough to leave Missouri alone, that pickup keeps the Senate GOP for Trump

    – Steve Bannon is a fake conservative and a fraud. No wonder you’re defending him in his effort to make Chuck Schumer Majority Leader in 2018.

  223. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 10, 2017 at 10:35 am
    I think I need Robbie to show up to keep me grounded!

    – Of course, you’re in the clouds. Your boy Steve Bannon, a fake conservative, wants to primary every Republican in the Senate (except Cruz). That’s what you and the Richard Mourdock fan club live for. It’s like Christmas morning for you.

    SEND A MESSAGE!

  224. Mr.Vito says:

    “Trump ends the war on coal, but the Miners Union endorses Northam(D) in Virginia.”

    You already know from 2016 that union members are starting to realize they aren’t being represented by their unions. This will only hasten their demise.

  225. Mr.Vito says:

    If they GOP can’t defend itself from a marginal fake conservative, it should come up with a better defense… especially before bragging about wanting a civil war. Pissing off their donors is apparently their first move… brilliant.

  226. Jonesy says:

    225. Robbie the Court Jester is back.

    Did you get a tracking number for your Brokered Convention Tickets, Doofus?

  227. Mr.Vito says:

    Step two is apparently calling Trump a man-baby another hundred thousand times, when everyone already knows his temperament sucks… WINNING!

  228. Jonesy says:

    Robbie always good for a laugh around here. I am sure he cried when Teheran Corker stepped down.

  229. Mr.Vito says:

    Step three is proving it is more valuable to conservatives than Trump by accomplishing nothing conservative while Trump does.

  230. Jonesy says:

    Robbie, when of your GOPe buddies, Governor Rauner of IL, signed a free abortion on demand bill. First state to do so.

    Are you going to send him a check?

  231. jason says:

    “Trump ends the war on coal, but the Miners Union endorses Northam(D) in Virginia.”

    Old habits hard to break. Any coal miner who votes for Democrats should be given the Suicide Hotline Number.

  232. Jonesy says:

    Vito, found out the other day, that Senate rules state after a cloture vote, you must wait 36 hours for a final confirmation vote.

    With the Senate Country Club taking this week off, and every Friday also, there is no wonder that the swamp is blocking Trump nominees.

  233. jason says:

    Bannon is not a fake or a fraud.

    He is a genuinely certified deadender who thinks having 20 deadender senators and 80 Democrats is better than a 52 seat majority that includes moderates.

    While I may disagree, I don’t doubt he really thinks that.

  234. Jonesy says:

    234. Agreed Jason. Miners union leader probably wears Armani suits

  235. Jonesy says:

    Bannon, in the end, will not push these guys to primary. He is trying to get the Senate swamp creatures on the GOP side to get a spine and pass a bill.

    Jason, if nothing is passed, the GOP will lose the House anyways. and that is not on Bannon

  236. Jonesy says:

    Club for Growth endorses Hawley in Missouri. Bannon will back off there now.

    Sky Queen will retire I think, she has Breast Cancer, and voted for Obamacare

  237. DW says:

    “You already know from 2016 that union members are starting to realize they aren’t being represented by their unions. This will only hasten their demise.”

    This is similar to how 15 years ago there were still some pro-life conservative democrats who kept voting for the party that no longer had any room for them.

  238. Jonesy says:

    GOP pickup with Hawley, will force the Dems to win 4 seats to take Senate

  239. Jonesy says:

    240. Right DW. Including Casey of Penn. Pro lifer who votes for abortion rights every time

  240. Bitterlaw says:

    I like many of Springsteen’s songs. I do not like his politics. Both are true.

  241. Bitterlaw says:

    Bob Casey, Jr. will be re-elected to the Senate. Book it.

  242. Robbie says:

    Yeah, Bannon’s a real smart guy. Let’s put him in charge of finding Senate candidates.

    John Fund? 
    @johnfund

    Steve Bannon Privately Slammed Pence VP Pick. If PENCE unacceptable the list of acceptable to Bannon VERY limited.

  243. Jonesy says:

    John Fund is a liberal hack.

    Robbie you have zero credibility at this point

  244. Jonesy says:

    244. Agreed Bitter, my point was though that he is a pro life fraud

  245. Mr.Vito says:

    Apparently Bannon wasn’t as influential as we were told, then.

  246. Jonesy says:

    Wow!!

    3 women accuse Harvey Weinstein of Rape today.

    Hillary and Gender warrior Hillary? I see nothing

  247. Jonesy says:

    To the Boss’s credit, he came out recently and said he would not write any anti trump songs. Says the ballot box is the way to go, and members of his family like Trump

  248. Jonesy says:

    Robbie Sad.

    with Hawley, GOP will control Senate and confirm judges at least thru 2020

  249. Trump says:

    Josh Hawley pitching ‘his vision’ to Steve Bannon
    http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article...

    Hawley knows who the winners are.

  250. Trump says:

    “Ex-Trump strategist Steve Bannon backs Hawley, bringing insurgent stamp and controversy
    The Greenville News”

  251. Trump says:

    Steve Bannon backs Josh Hawley’s Senate bid – news-leader.com
    http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/politics/2017/10/09/

  252. Trump says:

    Steve Bannon backs Josh Hawley’s Senate bid – reddit.com

  253. Bitterlaw says:

    Robbie also slammed Pence for accepting the nomination to be VP. I believe he said that it was disgraceful and that Pence was dead to him for joining in with Trump.

  254. Jonesy says:

    Right Bitter. Robbie is the real deadender, who wanted Hillary to win.

  255. Jonesy says:

    Trump, I was right. I knew Bannon would back off on the pickup seats with Dem incumbents.

    He needs to back of on Heller, but Flake is a joke

  256. Bitterlaw says:

    Jonesy – Casey is a fraud. He also knows that he can be a fraud since the abortion fight is over except for funding skirmishes.

    Springsteen said he is less political now. He is getting close to 70 and just wants to play music. My wife is seeing his show on Broadway and wants to see him in concert next summer.

  257. NYCmike says:

    “Apparently Bannon wasn’t as influential as we were told, then.”

    -Robbie will skip over this comment….

  258. Jonesy says:

    Hillary stood by Rapist Bill Clinton in 1998, will she stand by Harvey?

    Will Obama and Michelle? the queen of England gave him a Honorary Knighthood

  259. Bitterlaw says:

    Jonesy – Why are you falling for Poster Trump’s act? He is not on your side. He predicted and wanted a complete GOP wipeout at the polls in 2016.

  260. Jonesy says:

    260. Right Mike. Robbie angry, likes his spicy Chicken

  261. janz says:

    #170. Tina,I hope you’re right about cell phone outages being restored soon. Our’s has been without service since yesterday morning. The smoke on the meadow below, though, and over the ocean seems to have diminished.

  262. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, he provided a link to the Hawley news.

    was it the same trump in 2016, or another poster?

  263. Jonesy says:

    James Comey’s Godson works for the Grey Lady as a video editor?

  264. NYCmike says:

    “It’s like Christmas morning for you.”

    -Since Nov 8th last year, yes! 🙂

  265. jason says:

    Jonesy – Why are you falling for Poster Trump’s act? He is not on your side. He predicted and wanted a complete GOP wipeout at the polls in 2016.”

    He was never a Trump supporter, on record as saying Trump was just a tool to destroy the GOP.

    He mocked GOP voters who were too stupid to know they were voting for a Democrat.

  266. Jonesy says:

    Very underrated how important Hawley is at this point. With Bannon and CFG endorsing him, they are united.

    If he wins the pickup, GOP could still lose both AZ seats and NV, and still control Senate at 50/50

  267. Boonu says:

    He is trying to get the Senate swamp creatures on the GOP side to get a spine and pass a bill.”

    Stop attacking Rand Pauo.

  268. jason says:

    Hillary stood by Rapist Bill Clinton in 1998, will she stand by Harvey?”

    Her accountants are working hard to answer that right now.

    Please be patient.

  269. Bitterlaw says:

    Jonesy – He claims to be the same Trump.

  270. jason says:

    Bannon went to Harvard”

    Huh, Harvard is only an asset if you are liberal.

    If its someone like GWB, who cares?

    Same with military service. Dems use it like its the greatest thing since sliced bread. Sestak entertained us with aircraft carrier poses for months.

    Again, GWB was a fighter pilot? Derision.

  271. NYCmike says:

    “Jason, if nothing is passed, the GOP will lose the House anyways. and that is not on Bannon”

    -Still disagree on this.

    If the House votes on bills and gets them passed (like in the healthcare bill) but Senate does NOT, then Republicans in House go back and speak with the voters knowing they tried to do something.

    Of course, ALL BETS ARE OFF if the House follows Jason in regards to immigration, instead of hanging tough with the list supplied by President Trump and/or Cotton/Perdue.

  272. Bitterlaw says:

    Damn. Jason mentioned GWB. Wes just picked up his DailyKOS manual and will be here soon.

  273. NYCmike says:

    “That’s what you and the Richard Mourdock fan club live for.”

    -I think Wes is busy tutoring Robbie.

  274. NYCmike says:

    “He is a genuinely certified deadender who thinks having 20 deadender senators and 80 Democrats is better than a 52 seat majority that includes moderates.”

    -Yup, and Trump is a “liberal Democrat” no different than Hillary Clinton.

  275. NYCmike says:

    “James Comey’s Godson works for the Grey Lady as a video editor?”

    -Sounds like the NY Times guy made that up, and the O’Keefe guys called him on it.

  276. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/election/2017/09/26/wisconsin-dem-goes-gop-wants-chance-run-sen-baldwin/

    -This race should be interesting.

    Who to trust? Who will Bannon pick? Who will Wes decide is the “deadender”? Who will be designated Robbie’s “Trump Chump”?

    Can any of them beat Baldwin?

  277. Trump says:

    “Bitterlaw says:
    October 10, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    Jonesy – Why are you falling for Poster Trump’s act?”

    What act, moron?

  278. Trump says:

    Trump is the tool to destroy the GOP.

    That is not even debatable.

    Ask the careers of Strange, Ayotte, Paul, Rubio, Jeb, Flake, Corker.

    Half a dozen losers in the House, and counting.

    More to come.

  279. Trump says:

    Trump is the tool of the Trumpists.

    When 75% of your own voters hate you, you get Trump. That is how you will lose Flake, Heller, Corker, and the assortment.

  280. NYCmike says:

    Or, he is the person to get the Republican Party to stand on principle more often than they have in the recent past……

  281. NYCmike says:

    “That is how you will lose Flake, Heller, Corker, and the assortment.”

    -Since Blackburn is a Republican, and I for one consider her an upgrade over Corker, doesn’t that mean Trump is helping he GOP?

  282. Trump says:

    GOP will be there; the question is, what kind of GOP?

    What will it run on? He has changed the GOP platform on all key issues – immigration, economy, jobs, trade – while doubling down on cultural issues.

    The ones having problems adjusting to him seem to be falling away, bit by bit.

  283. Trump says:

    The ones making the most noise – McCain, Heller, Flake, Corker – are just leftover kamikaze idiots having their last hurrah before fading off.

    Death rattle of the losers.

  284. NYCmike says:

    Flake – let’s see what happens in the primary

    Heller – not sure why he would lose…start working Dean!…and Trump will probably campaign for him in the end.

    “the assortment” – who?

  285. Trump says:

    Flake’s already lost, it’s just a zombie campaign. Incumbent at 18%. (Not that it would stop McConnell from throwing another $50m in the race.)

    Heller – squeaked in last time by 1 point, only getting 45%. Blue Nevada. (Trump also campaigned for Strange. Trumpism is greater than Trump. Three-fourths of GOP voters hate GOP leadership, in case you missed 2016.)

    Assortment – Wicker et al. There will be more GOP retirements before 2018. And wait till 2020.

  286. hugh says:

    The teaparty taking credit for helping elect Rubio is a joke. They had nothing to do with it. Rubio was a very experienced politician dealing with a cheesy loser I am not saying they preferred Rubio over Crist, but taking credit for guys who would win anyway is taking credit for nothing. Cruz was going to win TX regardless. Akin and COD would have lost in FL or TX no matter what the teaparty did. The teaparty initially was a populist groundswell that stood for fiscal responsibility and was quickly co opted by the religious right and lost their identity.

  287. Trump says:

    Trump is the tool that keeps exposing the lies that the GOP has been selling for years.

  288. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is the tool that keeps exposing the lies that the GOP has been selling for years.”

    -Be more specific, will you please.

    I will probably agree with some of them.

  289. Trump says:

    – Obamacare repeal
    – Tax reform
    – Amnesty, couched as “comprehensive immigration reform”
    – Limited government (incl. Medicaid expansion – ha ha ha ha, that’s a good one)
    – Trade deals

    Go down the list of GOP and conservative orthodoxy.

  290. Trump says:

    Meanwhile, in the culture wars,

    “Roger Goodell sends letter to NFL teams, wants players to stand during anthem”

  291. Trump says:

    BLM thugs vs national anthem.

    Gee, who will win this battle?

  292. Trump says:

    “”Like many of our fans,” Goodell wrote, “we believe that everyone should stand for the national anthem. It is an important moment in our game. We want to honor our flag and our country, and our fans expect that of us.”

    He didn’t think so 4 weeks ago.

  293. Trump says:

    Here’s what the turd said 4 weeks ago:

    “Roger Goodell: Trump’s ‘Divisive’ Comments About NFL Anthem Protests Show ‘Lack of Respect’

  294. jason says:

    Hillary is “appalled” about Weintein’s behavior.

    No word yet on what she thinks of Bill.

  295. jason says:

    Hey Soccer Moron, I never disputed Trump is destructive to the GOP.

    What I disputed was your new found pretense to be a Trump supporter, which you never were.

    Now GFY.

  296. Trump says:

    Roger Goodell: “…everyone should stand for the national anthem…”

    Trump right once again. How many times does Trump hit you with a clue bat before you come to senses?

  297. Trump says:

    Hey as&hole, how would you know, pimp?

  298. Trump says:

    Amomg the assorted morons residing here, you really are at cretin Robbie level.

  299. Trump says:

    “NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell says anthem statements can be ‘positive’ shows of unity
    By Mark Maske September 12, 2016”

    “Roger Goodell: “…everyone should stand for the national anthem…” – today

  300. Trump says:

    I guess Roger does not like “‘positive’ shows of unity” any longer.

  301. Trump says:

    I think the last tweet about taking away NFL tax-exemption did the trick for old Roger.

  302. Trump says:

    “Roger Goodell Backs Players’ Right To Protest During National …
    nesn.com/2017/08”

    Not any longer.

  303. NYCmike says:

    funny! Looking at other tweets, that guy looks to be a Trump Chump.

    I’ll have to keep looking to make sure…..

  304. NYCmike says:

    Heh, he speaks ill of Sebastian Gorka so Robbie may be conflicted!

  305. DW says:

    11:01 pm

    FL moved from Edge Trump to Likely Trump by CBS. Norah O’Donnell says 99% of the vote is now counted in FL even though the CBS graphic shows only 95% reported.
    Upon Clinton retaking the Electoral College (190 to 171) lead following the projected win in CA, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asks Jake Tapper, “Are they breathing a little bit easier over there at Clinton headquarters?” Tapper replies, “I don’t think so to be completely honest.” Tapper mentions the shift in the question, instead of “does Trump have a path?” now it is “does she have a path to the presidency?”

    Wolf Blitzer was too stupid to realize that CA was already baked in the cake and not one of the key contested states she needed to win.

  306. Trump says:

    “Wolf Blitzer was too stupid to realize that…”

    Wolf Blitzer is just plain stupid. Did anyone watch him on Celebrity Jeopardy a few years ago?

  307. Mr.Vito says:

    Blitzer repeating every number update of Florida while John King was trying to explain things was priceless…

    priceless…

  308. Wes says:

    In the ignoring reality post of the day, we have this gem from Greyhound at RRH:

    There is one key difference however, in that Trump is nowhere near as intelligent a political candidate as Nixon was, and might be capable of losing the election regardless.

    You know, I won’t say Trump is a new Ronald Reagan, but his political acumen in taking down the major players both principal political parties on the way to the White House in his first serious bid for it deserves something better than this backhanded revisionism.

  309. Wes says:

    Roy Moore’s som is in legal trouble for the ninth time. Like father, like son, I guess.

  310. George says:

    Hillary: I was shocked and appalled by the revelations about Harvey Weinstein.

    Renault (Casablanca): I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

  311. Wes says:

    Jonesy says:
    October 10, 2017 at 12:33 pm
    Very underrated how important Hawley is at this point. With Bannon and CFG endorsing him, they are united.

    If he wins the pickup, GOP could still lose both AZ seats and NV, and still control Senate at 50/50

    I have a better idea, Jonesy:

    Republicans should work to hold those seats AND elect Hawley to the Senate along with other Republicans.

  312. Wes says:

    Schumer won’t let McCaskill retire. Ferguson nuked Nixon. Kander has gone full moonbat since loding to Blunt. There are no other MO Dems capable of winning, so Schumer will force her to run.

  313. jason says:

    Geezus…

    “A member of South Korea’s parliament who sits on its defense committee is claiming that North Korean hackers have stolen some of his nation’s most sensitive military documents — including a plan to assassinate North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un.

    The hackers apparently accessed plans for South Korean special forces, information about power plants and military facilities, and wartime contingency plans crafted jointly by the U.S. and South Korea.”

  314. GPO says:

    Bitterlaw says:

    October 10, 2017 at 12:25 pm

    Jonesy – Casey is a fraud. He also knows that he can be a fraud since the abortion fight is over except for funding skirmishes

    How is that the case if Trump gets 2 more SC picks? They may not overturn Roe V Wade , but In that case the SC will give large leeway to states when they pass restrictive abortion laws

  315. jason says:

    “Amomg the assorted morons residing here, you really are at cretin Robbie level.”

    Sniff, Soccer Moron really knows how to hurt a guy.

    Now I will take the points, thanks.

  316. NYCmike says:

    Jason,

    That hack was from 2016, I believe.

  317. jason says:

    Roy Moore’s som is in legal trouble for the ninth time. Like father, like son, I guess.”

    I am sure Moore doesn’t think the law applies to his son either.

  318. GPO says:

    Jonesy says:
    October 10, 2017 at 12:33 pm
    Very underrated how important Hawley is at this point. With Bannon and CFG endorsing him, they are united.

    If he wins the pickup, GOP could still lose both AZ seats and NV, and still control Senate at 50/50

    Although obviously true, we need to look further out In case Trump is a one termer- need to get a cushion so that if Dems win presidency , they don’t win enough senate seats in 2020 to ram through radical left wingers to the courts.

  319. GPO says:

    Anyone have color on Montana or ND Races. Im assuming we are favorites in Indiana and WVA no?

  320. jason says:

    Upon Clinton retaking the Electoral College (190 to 171) lead following the projected win in CA, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asks Jake Tapper, “Are they breathing a little bit easier over there at Clinton headquarters?” Tapper replies, “I don’t think so to be completely honest.”

    Yeah, that was very funny.

    That Wolf would think a momentary lead in the EC was in any way significant really is a testament to his stupidity.

  321. jason says:

    Im assuming we are favorites in Indiana and WVA no?”

    You might offend some of the deadenders here by saying “we”.

  322. jason says:

    Jason,

    That hack was from 2016, I believe.”

    Good…

    I assume they have changed the war plans since then.

  323. Wes says:

    I’ve seen no polling in the Donnelly race. Manchin posts modest leads in WV.

  324. Wes says:

    Wolf must have a very short term memory. In 2008 and 2012, Obama assumed an absolute majority of EVs when California closed its polls. That Hillary was still 80 short with its EVs in her corner should have told the Wolfman something.

  325. Wes says:

    Heitkamp traols all serious potential challengers in ND. In MT, Corey Stapledon looks like the opponent for Tester, but I’ve seen no polls.

  326. NYCmike says:

    “Republicans should work to hold those seats AND elect Hawley to the Senate along with other Republicans.”

    -We should work together to hold these seats.

    We should also work to elect people who will write bills for important things (healthcare, immigration reform)…….of course, we will need a leadership that will bring them to a floor for a vote, and we also need that legislation to be of a more-conservative nature, so that we can force Democrats to either compromise or vote against.

  327. Wes says:

    You mean the way Christine O’Donnell and Dick the Misogynist Bastard have done, Mikey?

    Oh. Wait.

  328. NYCmike says:

    ALL legislation must be such that Democrats oppose vociferously at first….there is NO OTHER WAY to get them to compromise at all.

    You need them to compromise or vote against.

    REPUBLICAN positions on most policies, properly communicated (the hard part) are more popular than any socialist/Democratic initiative.

  329. DW says:

    Another wolf blitzer election night gem (3rd paragraph):

    11:32 pm

    NBC News shows the mood within the Clinton headquarters where supporters are in tears. Andrea Mitchell reports that the stunning information of Trump’s win in IA and FL gives Clinton such a narrow path. The polls missed it, and correspondents missed it.

    Katy Tur reporting for NBC from Trump headquarters says they are chanting “USA, USA, USA.” The mood is growing happier by the minute. The supporters really feel like Trump is going to win. Tur goes on to remind viewers of the long list of problems and controversies Trump has been in throughout the campaign.

    Wolf Blitzer asks John King on CNN to consider the paths to 270 if Clinton wins MI but loses WI. King proceeds to adjust the map by giving Trump WI, Clinton MI, and then he gives FL to Trump, and Blitzer interrupts King telling him to give Clinton NC (even though CNN had already called NC for Trump). King refused and Blitzer tried to insist, but finally King said that we have to give NC to Trump and quickly moved on before he could be interrupted again. He gave NV to Clinton and AZ to Trump to arrive at a 269-268 map.

  330. Cash Cow TM says:

    the law applies

    it’s papal wheel
    ’tis whale apple
    pale stale whip
    hip staple law E

  331. Wes says:

    I’m sure O’Donnell and Mourdock will get right on that for you, Mikey. Contact their offices.

  332. Cash Cow TM says:

    Oh, and today, Walt won money again playing bridge.
    Came in second…

  333. NYCmike says:

    https://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/10/10/brutal-did-seth-macfarlane-prove-hollywood-knew-the-truth-about-harvey-weinstein-in-2013/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget

    -The best jokes are the ones with a little truth behind it…..the most devastating have a LOT of truth behind it.

  334. NYCmike says:

    Planned Parenthood got $100K from Weinstein this year…..as well as million$$$ from the federal budget….too bad we didn’t strip that funding. We had plenty of good reasons.

  335. DW says:

    We’re saved!!! Jimmy Carter is offering peace talks in regards to North Korea. Link at Drudge.

  336. NYCmike says:

    MD to proclaim Jimmy Carter best President eva in 3….2….1…..

  337. Trump says:

    Old Jimmah will save all of us by offering more nuclear weapons to Kim.

    That’s what all “peace” activists have done.

  338. Wes says:

    You know, I’m not one of those pansyish Bitterlaw types who think women should dominate the world, but I find what Weinstein did appalling. No means no, Harv. That’s it. It doesn’t mean yes or maybe. It means no.

    Wine and dine a girl. Charm her. Turn on Don Juan-style charm. Failing that, try to bribe her with baubles and money if you feel the need to do that to ger her spine down.

    When she says no though, you’re done. You failed. Move on to the next girl and try to enter her.

    What Weinstein did was reprehensible, and Hollywood elitist liberals should face public ridicule for looking the other way while he was doing it.

    Hypocritical bastards.

  339. BayernFan says:

    Does anyone besides me believe that the Clinton campaign called the networks (except Fox) on the down low asking them begging them not to call states for Trump so as to prevent her from being called a sore loser should she decided to challenge some states’ results?

  340. Wes says:

    Bitterlaw, I’m sorry if I offended you by citing you personally, but I really do find your sycophantic belief that a wife can always find domething better while a husband never can pansyish.

    If I had that kind of timorous attitude, I would never have attracted Tink.

  341. Wes says:

    Hasn’t that been reported as happening, Bay?

  342. BayernFan says:

    only Fox called both WI and PA (the latter right before Pence walked onto the stage), and thus the election, for Trump before news of Clinton’s concession call broke.

    It’s as if the other networks were waiting for permission from Hillary to call those two states.

  343. BayernFan says:

    I think DW may have mentioned it on Election night, I’m not sure….. but it was never reported as far as I know….. did I miss that?

    Cuz that’s sure as hell what it seemed like.

    At 8:30 or so when it was reported that Hillary tweeted thanks to her workers “regardless of the outcome” I turned to my gf and told her that Hillary knows she lost.

    Sure enough, when you read “Shattered” and read about how Bill was in touch with his folks in Florida and elsewhere at 7:30 it was clear that Trump was running it up in the rural areas like crazy and Hillary would lose.

  344. BayernFan says:

    “’Sorry to be the one to tell you,’ Smith said in an Arkansas drawl echoing the former president’s, ‘but we’re not going to win Florida.’ Bill hung up and called Governor Terry McAuliffe, who was eager to depart Virginia for the victory party at the Javits Center. Don’t bother coming, Bill told him.”

    lol

  345. BayernFan says:

    44 years ago today Spiro Agnew resigned the Vice Presidency.

  346. BayernFan says:

    Also the same day Chicago Police Commissioner James Conlisk resigned.

  347. mnw says:

    Imo, any generic DEM would run better than McCaskill in MO, but that’s just my instinct.

    Hawley is in an awfully sweet spot. Primary field has been cleared for him. In the GE, last I saw he was leading Spotted Owl Claire 50-45.

    I have to believe that her name rec is much higher than his at this point, and still…50%?? How’s she supposed to overtake THAT? In a state Trump won by 17 points or so?

    On a personal note, my observation is that Hawley is just a superb speaker & fits MO perfectly. Nothing againstRep. Wagner, but this guy is just perfect for this race.

    As a law professor respected by everyone, I don’t see him as likely to say anything stupid.

  348. DW says:

    “Does anyone besides me believe that the Clinton campaign called the networks (except Fox) on the down low asking them begging them not to call states for Trump so as to prevent her from being called a sore loser should she decided to challenge some states’ results?”

    Not only that, but Dems know how to play for all they can get on every ballot. If they allow the networks to end this at 10:00, then voters in CA give up and not vote during the last hour and they could lose a few house seats.

    But they were absolutely leveraging the networks to wait. Even Obama called Hillary and told her to stop it and throw in the towel. That’s how bad it was.

  349. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – My wife is a partner at a law firm. She is beautiful. She is smart and funny.

    I am a regular lawyer. She can find somebody with more money and a working pancreas. By definition, that would be a better husband.

    I surmise that you define “better” as younger with bigger implants. You can always find that but that is not my definition of better.

  350. DW says:

    There are some really, really smart political analysts out there, but they never show up on election night coverage–they instead work for the campaigns. Sort of like the best pollsters are those working for the campaigns.

    My guess is they looked at key counties in IN and KY as the votes came in and they knew before 7:30 pm that Trump would putting up some strong rural Midwestern state numbers that could bode well for the rust-belt.

    These same experts did the same in FL and knew even before the polls closed in the panhandle that the state was going to Trump. With this data they never bothered to consider GA or AZ. They were focused like a laser on the key counties in MI, WI, PA and so forth. My guess if they knew the election was over by 9:30, maybe as early as 9:00 they had a strong suspicion Trump would win.

  351. Bitterlaw says:

    I thought telling my wife that I was safer because I do not own a gun would make her feel relieved. It did not.

  352. Mr.Vito says:

    In fairness to the “MSM”, although the networks didn’t want to make calls, NYT and AP were making calls for PA and the Presidency.

    On Fox, Chris Stirewalt admitted that because of events of the past, that they were looking for a ‘healthy cut’ to make calls, and were calling things much earlier in the past. I believe he said, they were calling PA for Kerry on less information than they had on say, FL or NC.

  353. Mr.Vito says:

    “My guess is they looked at key counties in IN and KY as the votes came in and they knew before 7:30 pm that Trump would putting up some strong rural Midwestern state numbers that could bode well for the rust-belt. ”

    A lot of us went ‘hmmm… ok… ok…’ after Vigo county came in. I told my wife I could not pick a winner in FL on early returns because of early returns in Pasco (Wesley Chapel/Zephyrhills) and Pinellas. While everyone was talking about Broward and the Panhandle, heavy R areas like Marion (Ocala) and Polk (Lakeland) still hadn’t reported.

  354. Mr.Vito says:

    When I first opened the map, I thought Trump had lost because of the returns that came in first, from St.Johns (St.Augustine)…

    they were apparently a typo.

  355. jason says:

    The networks didn’t want Hillary to concede. That is why they were reluctant to put Trump over the top.

    They wanted a challenge to the election and weren’t going to call it until Hillary conceded.

    MSNBC still had AZ and MI as undecided the next day when Morning Joe’s show started.

  356. DW says:

    “They wanted a challenge to the election and weren’t going to call it until Hillary conceded.”

    Even then Wolf Blitzer was incredulous when Dana Bash broke the news that Hillary had conceded because CNN hadn’t projected it yet.

  357. DW says:

    Absurd that networks were quick to call CO and NV but took forever to call GA and AZ. They were trying to stick to the pre-show planning and were not ready or willing to adjust to reality.

  358. Tina says:

    National felon leaguers must stamd.

    You know the kneeling is bad for biz.

  359. Tina says:

    Nice recap of 2016 election. Not sure why they sent out creepy podesta.

  360. Cash Cow TM says:

    get her spine down

    the dog pe.nis wren?

  361. DW says:

    365 – it was because they were going to contest it and fight on, so they sent Podesta out there to send everyone home… then Obama called Hillary and told her to get a clue and hang it up…so she called Trump and conceded…after Trump had already decided to speak.

  362. Cash Cow TM says:

    absurd

    sad rub

  363. Tina says:

    Was her thighness drunk when ibama called her!

  364. DW says:

    369 – rumor was that she was–and her deportment was not recoverable for a speech.

  365. jason says:

    Nobody is safer not owning a gun.

  366. jason says:

    I am not sure the drunk narrative is credible. MI, WI, and PA all were very close and decided late, so it doesn’t really make sense she would have been hitting the sauce when it was still in the cards for her to show up at the Javits Center.

    But its possible.

  367. Mr.Vito says:

    If the account Bayern put above is true, then it could be credible.

    Remember she disclosed recently that she did not write a concession speech, even though the networks reported on election night that the campaign said she was superstitious and had written both.

  368. DW says:

    372 – a reporter leaked the info–and then a secret service agent said same thing

  369. jason says:

    I don’t know. Thinking you might lose is one thing. Getting loaded without knowing for sure when you might have to go on national TV is hard to believe.
    She would have all kinds of aides and sycophants not to mention Chelsea and Bill around her, Again, possible, but not plausible to me.

    More likely she threw a tray of finger sandwiches at Bill’s head.

  370. jason says:

    Blazing Saddles about to start on Sundance.

  371. jason says:

    Of course I don’t believe a word Bill or Hillary Clinton says one way or the other.

  372. jason says:

    We should also work to elect people who will write bills for important things (healthcare, immigration reform)…”

    Translation: run deadenders and elect liberal Dems.

  373. Bitterlaw says:

    Nobody is safer not owning a gun.

    I am when I think about killing myself.

  374. Mr.Vito says:

    If you think your life is so bad you want to die, then wouldn’t it be ‘safer’ to have the gun and die?

  375. Trump says:

    “In triumph for Trump, Supreme Court dismisses travel ban case”

    More winning.

    Trump is always right. Always.

  376. NYCmike says:

    “Blazing Saddles about to start on Sundance.”

    -A great movie which could NOT be made today!

  377. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/KurtSchlichter/status/917842354412724224

    -Why jason’s advice regarding immigration can’t be followed, or else it will be 2006 all over again.

  378. Trump says:

    So trump extended the ban to 8 countries from the original 6, and made it indefinite instead of temporary 6 month ban.

    The roger rabbit changed his mind and now wants the BLM thugs play to stand for anthem.

    Cruising to reelection.

  379. Bitterlaw says:

    Not really, Mr. Vito. It would end the suffering but not be “safer.” It would also let my wife prove Wes wrong by finding somebody better.

    Whatever.

  380. Bitterlaw says:

    Drudge has a link on the SCOTUS story. It was a procedural victory only as it simply dismissed a case made moot by Trump’s revision of the original policy. Here is the most important quote from the article:

    “We express no view on the merits,” the justices said in a one-page order.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/10/10/victory-trump-supreme-court-dismisses-travel-ban-case/752401001/

  381. Trump says:

    Right, because the court recognized that the executive has the authority to limit entry into the country any way it sees fit.

    And just because trump happens to be the executive doesn’t change that basic fact.

  382. Tina says:

    Nv shooter used freight elevators.

    Duh, that was obvious.

  383. Trump says:

    And there is nothing in law or the constitution that compels the exec to issue any visa it doesn’t want to.

    A basic fact that is beyond the comprehension of scores and scores of hack lawyers and judges.

  384. Trump says:

    New order indefinitely bars almost all travel from seven countries – nyt

    This is how a determined executive manages his responsibility.

  385. NYCmike says:

    “Duh, that was obvious.”

    -Not at all obvious.

    I am VERY surprised that he was able to use the freight elevators WITHOUT HELP.

    EVERY SINGLE BUILDING my company goes to in NYC we have a separate insurance certificate for. I would think that billion $$ casinos would tightly restrict the comings and goings of all people, either guests, visitors, vendors, employees.

  386. Trump says:

    Not sure why it escapes the supposedly educated judicial class.

    Nothing in law or the constitution grants any rights to any foreigner to come to the US.

  387. Tina says:

    Yes, he had help. Nomway do,you smuggle that amt of stuff by using the main elevator.

  388. Trump says:

    Prepare for another round of wailing this week, when Trump signs his newest executive order on healthcare later this week.

    This is what the corrupt, lying weasels in congress should have passed.

  389. Bitterlaw says:

    I did not say that the policy will not be upheld. I said that SCOTUS did not make a final ruling on the issue.

  390. Trump says:

    Did I say they did?

  391. Trump says:

    Secret nuke sites revealed in Iran.

    Thank you, Bob Corker.

  392. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump posts a story that says it was a triumph for the President. “Triumph” is a strong word for a procedural victory that does not decide the underlying issue.

  393. Phil says:

    Corker can go take a flying leap.

    Bring on Senator Blackburn. Can’t happen soon enough.

  394. Trump says:

    To you it might be.

    Meanwhile, after thousands of wasted hours and innumerable illiterate pontification so from half-educated judiciary, the morons recognize basic English.

  395. Trump says:

    Corker will spend the balance of his remains 15 months fighting trump. A la the deadender McCain.

    Not realizing that their antics only drive the negative perception of the senate lower and lower. Hurting collateral like strange and flake and heller.

    In that respect, their mentality is the same as the BLM thugs in the nfl.

  396. Trump says:

    8 percent job approval is hard to achieve.

    But not for McConnell, McCain, corker, and the intrepid band of fellow losers.

  397. NYCmike says:

    “Not realizing that their antics only drive the negative perception of the senate lower and lower. Hurting collateral like strange and flake and heller.”

    -That is a good point.

    Corker and McCain should leave NOW.

  398. Cash Cow TM says:

    Tina,

    I am so glad Caleforneyeah has stringent air pollution laws that greatly restrict auto exhaust. the air in CA must be reallyt pure and high quality air…oh, sorry.

    I forgot all the smoke from all the raging fires in CA right now.

    I’ll bet the fires are putting more pollutants into the air than what Al Gore’s home and private jet flights do in a year.

  399. Cash Cow TM says:

    Corker and McCain.

    Two names that have a hard K sound.

    Who is the third person with a hard D sound to make K.K.K.?

  400. Cash Cow TM says:

    meant hard K sound..not D

    geesh…

  401. Trump says:

    Cash cow?

    That would make it k k k k.

  402. Bitterlaw says:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html

    Since Trump Guru only has a few posts that he makes over and over, he should at least update them. 13.4% Really awful but Trump Guru is lazy with the 8%

  403. Trump says:

    I leave that to you, moron.

    At least now you know where to look, idiot.

  404. NYCmike says:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452402/trump-tax-cut-giant-beautiful-simple

    -If Congressional Republicans push this, they will maintain a majority, and maybe even grow it.

    GO BOLD!

  405. Trump says:

    The margin of error gives you something to keep yourself occupied.

    Enjoy.

  406. NYCmike says:

    DW – hard K sound –

    Collins

    Murk

    (not)Cruz

  407. NYCmike says:

    “House Speaker Paul Ryan (R., Wis.) proposes a simple postcard for filing typical tax returns. Rather than the current 1040 form’s 79 lines, Ryan’s postcard contains 14. With nearly every deduction and exemption discarded — beside the home-mortgage and charitable write-offs — there simply would be fewer lines to fill.”

  408. NYCmike says:

    Ryan was well-regarded when he stuck to policy…..make it happen Mr. Speaker!

  409. Bitterlaw says:

    Just correcting your lazy posts. I know t is difficult for you to focus when you have to spend so much time pretending to be a Trump supporter.

    It is still amazing that Trump lovers like Jonesy and NYC engage you as if you were a serious poster.

  410. Bitterlaw says:

    US men’s soccer team is out of next year’s World Cup. Zzzzzzzzzzzz

  411. NYCmike says:

    If a person makes a statement that is correct, Bitter chooses to ignore it because……..he, and he alone, determines who a “serious poster” is.

    Of course, two of those “serious poster” people would have been MD and Author…..

  412. NYCmike says:

    More hard K

    Flake

    Cornyn

    McConnell

  413. Mr.Vito says:

    Covfefe

  414. NYCmike says:

    Oldie but goodie, Mr. Vito!

    (That seems like it was a decade ago!)

  415. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Cash cow?

    That would make it k k k k.”

    say….
    don’t lump me in those others….

  416. Cash Cow TM says:

    Well, Walt says he is going to hit the hay.
    I am going to hit the hay as well.
    ####################################
    You do know to Walt and me that same saying means two completely different things….

  417. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – If you want to believe that Trump Guru – who predicted that the GOP would lose Congress and the Presidential election in 2016 and openly rooted for that result – is a serious poster, I can’t stop you.

  418. JC says:

    Oh look, Goodell is now taking a knee… for Trump.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLy4E3FWkAAzDhx.jpg

    This is what happens when you stand up for your beliefs and fight for them. This is what leadership looks like. All it took was one little sentence and a few tweets (and the conviction to stand by them) to turn public sentiment against these American hating idiots. These leftist tools, including the establishment media, are paper tigers. They only have power over you if you let them. They certainly can’t win on their toxic marxist ideology. They have to shame, silence, and demonize their opposition into submission. And unfortunately it works because the GOPe has shown time and time again that it is not willing to fight. Easier to take the knee than to stand and face the storm.

    For the past 20 years we’ve had the democrats on the marxist march of misery while the GOPe has been unwilling to fight back. Is it any wonder why we have been in perpetual decline for so long?

    The GOPe has conceded our children’s education to the left.
    They have conceded our bureaucracies to the left.
    They have conceded corporate culture to the left.
    They have conceded entertainment and pop culture to the left.

    We desperately need new party leadership. The current crop of idiots don’t know how to win.

  419. JC says:

    @KurtSchlichter
    We won. These jerks have glass jaws. The only way they win is if we listen to the Fredocons and refuse to fight back.

  420. Wes says:

    I somehow doubt Donald Trump has anything to do with Goodell’s decision. The NFL saw ratings, ad buys, and ticket sales and decided to end the insanity.

    As for all the supposed “concessions” of everything to the Left, why couldn’t the non-GOPe–whatever the hell GOPe is and whatever the hell non-GOPe would be–simply put their own people in all those areas to make up for some kind of automatic concession to the Left?

    As for seeing Republicans not fight back against any of thix, clearly JC wasn’t alive for the first two years when Newt Gingrich was House Speaker. Republicans had a bold agenda and really did change Washington–right up until GWB took office and basically governed as a typical big-spending left-wing Democrat.

    Some people are so caught up in a certain narrative they really don’t even bother to check the authenticity of their beliefs.

  421. NYCmike says:

    Wes can’t get past Bush, in more way than one.

  422. NYCmike says:

    The NFL issue is totally Trump. While he did not start the fight, once he entered the ring, lines were drawn, and now the fight is getting to the end point.

  423. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    JC
    The Donald seems to relish fighting the culture wars! Good!

  424. NYCmike says:

    I see that JC does not look at my links…..I posted that schlictrr tweet above

  425. JC says:

    @nycmike

    Kurt Schlichter is quickly becoming my favorite pundit/blogger to read. He’s the only reason I even visit Townhall.

  426. Tina says:

    Are tax cuts now endangered because Liddle Corker is upset?

  427. Tina says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4965858/Bill-Hillary-Clinton-haven-t-spoken-months.html

    Seems like the rapist and her thighness are not speaking, if true,

    Do not worry, one of the bushs can take in bubba.

  428. JC says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    October 11, 2017 at 6:29 am

    Phil
    She’s back!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/wendy-davis-tracking-electoral-climate-in-texas-with-eye-on-future-run/
    —————————–

    Ah, Wendy Davis, the woman who will finally turn our great state of Texas blue! lol

    Results from 2014:
    Abbott – 59.3%
    Davis – 38.9%

    Despite the huge push from the democratic party, massive funding, and endless hype from the media, she ended up performing worse than the last three democratic candidates for governor. This, of course, was during the time when dems were running an ultra gender card strategy for the mid-terms (war on women!). Hilariously, Wendy Davis ended up losing the female vote.

    Yeah, running a candidate who was made famous for pushing abortion in the state of Texas probably was not the wisest option. Of course, dems still poured millions into her campaign anyway, spurred by the (false) narrative that she had real momentum and a plausible chance.

  429. NYCmike says:

    Robbie, “CG” triggered, MD and Author to keep digging, at increased rates –

    Top of Instapundit:

    “SO JUST IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, two major centers of the anti-Trump resistance, Hollywood and the NFL, have collapsed. Meanwhile, the Obama coal regulations are being canceled, and the Supreme Court handed him a victory on the travel ban.”

  430. NYCmike says:

    http://freebeacon.com/culture/dem-congressman-triggers-fans-writing-couldnt-soccer-team-usa-loses/

    -Something must be in the air…..usually a Republican would say something silly like this…..more Trump miracles? 🙂

    Robbie to write “Trump Chumps” in 3….2…..1……

  431. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – The SCOTUS “victory” is temporary because the challenge before it became moot when Trump revised the policy. He may ultimately earn a real victory (and should) but this was not a decision based on the validity of the policy.

  432. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    Understood.

    BUT, in today’s political climate, every “victory” needs to be shoved down the other sides throat, especially when it is regarding such a basic function of the Executive Branch of the federal government.

    Once again, this past year reminds me so much of how Giuliani had to deal with NYC. He was fighting the Democrats overwhelming majority, the media, entrenched interests, and a terrible atmosphere of “there is NOTHING we can do”. Well, he showed them!

    Trump is doing a lot of the same things, I wish congressional Republicans (mainly the leadership) would give him more help. His ridiculous (BUT EFFECTIVE) twitter habits should have ZERO bearing on the work that Congress does, despite Robbie’s continued excuses.

  433. NYCmike says:

    Trump going to Harrisburg, PA to speak about tax reform.

    Bitterlaw, are you 100% sure about Casey?

  434. Phil says:

    Since her landslide loss, Wendy has said a number of moonbat things which would be tied to her like an anchor in any office. She has made the mistake of dropping the mask even further.

    She wants to know when the time would be right for another run?

    Try never, Wendy.

    She would be slaughtered……again.

  435. NYCmike says:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare/trump-says-hes-likely-to-sign-healthcare-order-this-week-idUSKBN1CF2CK

    -I need to ask: How is this possible, and it is legal for Trump to do this?

    I do NOT like governance by EO, even if it is a policy that I support.

  436. NYCmike says:

    “She would be slaughtered……again.”

    -RUN RUN RUN!

  437. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – I am 99.9999% certain that Casey will win. There is nothing 100% certain in politics.

  438. JC says:

    What was Bitterlaw’s projection on Trump?

  439. Bitterlaw says:

    JC – I thought Trump would lose. I said Pennsylvania would be very close but Hillary would win. However, I also pointed out that Hillary was in real danger in PA if she had to spend most of the last week of the campaign visiting the state and sending the Obamas and Biden, too. There was no way that the state was a lock for her when she had to get Springsteen to do a get out the vote concert for her in Philadelphia the weekend before the election.

  440. jason says:

    Yesterday I posted this and NYC said it was old news.

    He was wrong.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/10/politics/north-korea-hackers-us-south-korea-war-plan/index.html

  441. NYCmike says:

    ” However, I also pointed out that Hillary was in real danger in PA if she had to spend most of the last week of the campaign visiting the state and sending the Obamas and Biden, too.”

    -Bitterlaw consistently made note of her frequent travels to Philly and PA. One of the reasons why I thought he would win at the end, along with the Iowa poll which showed Trump ahead there.

  442. NYCmike says:

    “Washington (CNN)North Korean hackers allegedly stole classified military documents from a South Korean Defense Ministry database in September 2016, according to Rhee Cheol-hee, a member of South Korea’s National Assembly.”

    -I did not say it was “old news”. I said the hack happened in 2016.

  443. NYCmike says:

    Under obama, along with a lot of other hacks.

  444. NYCmike says:

    Hopefully, a top to bottom review has taken place through all levels of government, especially our military.

  445. DW says:

    I know I posted this one before, but some re-runs are worth watching again…the #1 bonehead exchange on 2016 election night, managing to even eclipse Wolf Blitzer on CNN.

    Here is Jonathan Karl and George Step-on-all-of-us:

    11:45 pm

    Further confusion at ABC News as the hosts conflate the non-existent ‘Madison County’ with Dane County: George Stephanopoulos asks Jonathan Karl, their data analyst, “Let’s dig into Wisconsin a little bit more…what are you seeing out of Madison County in Wisconsin?” Karl: “Let’s take a look—Madison County we see 70…in Madison we see 71 percent of the vote’s in—obviously huge Clinton vote there, but uh, uh 29 percent still to go.” Stephanopoulos: “29% still to come. How about Dane County?” Karl: “Dane County. Right next door….uh wait…I don’t have Dane County at my…uh there it is Dane County, 71 percent in, and obviously it’s a big democratic county. So there still is…there still are…are a lot of outstanding Democratic votes potentially out there, but Trump [Stephanopoulos talks over top of Karl ending the exchange].”

    The only thing missing was Curly looking at Moe and Larry and going ‘woob-woob-woob-woob’

  446. NYCmike says:

    http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2017/10/treasury-rolls-back-eight-tax-regulations.html

    -If possible, could someone explain this a little more thoroughly.

    How are these regulations rolled back? Is this legal?

  447. Phil says:

    Jonathon Karl was a moron on election night. Way out of his death.

    King at CNN was excellent. Really dug into the numbers and knew what he was talking about.

    CBS didn’t even attempt to analyze conty numbers. They were clueless.

    CNN had the best micro analysis of statewide numbers. They were quite good actually.

  448. DW says:

    Phil…absolutely right about John King, who was also given the artificial handicap of having to interact with the clueless Wolf Blitzer at the same time he was diving into the data.

  449. Mr.Vito says:

    “I did not say it was “old news”. I said the hack happened in 2016.”

    Did they get it from Hillary’s emails, or Debbie Dum-Dum’s IT guy?

  450. NYCmike says:

    Mr. Vito,

    Actually, it looks like they hacked So Korea, but since we are defense partners….

  451. Bitterlaw says:

    GPO – Right now, I think that Wolf will be re-elected. He is so bland and uninspiring that it helps him. He is rarely in the news. It is almost like there is no Governor. There is not a large base of anti-Wolf sentiment because it is tough to be opposed to somebody who is almost invisible. I do not know much about Wagner.

  452. NYCmike says:

    https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/10/11/ben-shapiro-and-kassy-dillon-point-out-why-the-liberal-embrace-of-eminem-this-morning-is-problematic/

    -Democrats LOVE Hollywood!

    Republicans, make sure ALL voters know about Eminem’s words about women & homosexuals!

  453. NYCmike says:

    https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/10/10/downfall-american-turkish-alliance/

    -Robbie and MD will blame this on Trump, NOT on the Islamist President/dictator Erdogan of Turkey.

  454. Trump says:

    “She wants to know when the time would be right for another run?

    Try never, Wendy.

    She would be slaughtered……again.”

    More reason to encourage Wendy to run again.

    Dems, time is ripe. $50m in campaign spend should do it.

  455. NYCmike says:

    “I want no wall and spending cuts over tax cuts, where’s my crazed populist running for Prez?”

    -Agree somewhat w/ Author on this statement.
    I would rank them like this if these were the 3 options:

    spending cuts
    tax cuts (if only corporate taxes, along with a spending FREEZE, would push this to top)
    wall

  456. Mr.Vito says:

    What all those Eminem lyrics have in common is that they sell music to a certain culture…

  457. Mr.Vito says:

    GANGSTA!

  458. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – I honestly do not believe that Trump will ever build the wall.

  459. Mr.Vito says:

    As long as the sentiment remains that Illegal immigration has been largely curtailed by enforcing current law, I don’t think it will hurt him.

  460. Mr.Vito says:

    It may hurt the GOP though. Even if there is a wall, what good would it do if the next Obama just opens the ‘big, beautiful gate’ in it?

  461. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    It is not a main priority of mine, as the good number of reports on tunnels into San Diego has shown.

    BUT, as a symbol of Democratic-Party-Open-borders-beliefs, I don’t mind it being used as a club over their heads.

  462. Phil says:

    Remember back in March when the left mocked Mike Pence for not ever having dinner with any woman who was not his wife.

    Someone on another site this morning asked the question “who would you rather have as your boss, Mike Pence or Harvey Weinstein?

    Just saying….

  463. NYCmike says:

    “largely curtailed by enforcing current law”

    -NO WAY!?!?

  464. Mr.Vito says:

    See? It makes Mike happy. I think it makes most of the tough immigration crowd happy. Ann Coulter will make noise, but I guarantee she is happy enough to vote for Trump again.

  465. Mr.Vito says:

    They will blame the GOP, not Trump.

  466. Mr.Vito says:

    And that is why Trump will leave the wall on the back burner…

  467. jason says:

    I left open the possibility that Trump could win PA.

    I talked about the anecdotal evidence, where the more upscale R suburbs of Harrisburg which had a lot of Romney signs in 2012 now had no Trump signs, but the surrounding blue collar towns had Trump signs sprouting like mushrooms.

    My theory was that if those suburban Rs reluctantly still voted for Trump, it meant he would do better than Romney, who only lost the state by 320k votes. This came out to be true.

    The mistake I made was to say Trump still needed to underperform Obama in Philadelphia Co. to win. In the end, she did not underperform in Philly, and while Trump underperformed Romney in the Philly burbs his surge in the rural areas was enough to overcome it.

    I give my analysis a 6 out of 10.

  468. Bitterlaw says:

    I was not happy to have my teeth ripped out but it had to be done.

    I was not happy to vote for Trump but it had to be done.

  469. jason says:

    He should build a wall, but not a physical one, except in some areas.

    He should build a virtual wall, using sensors, drones, satellite surveillance, beefed up patrols etc.

    The technology is there and it would work better than a physical wall that can be climbed, breached or dug under.

  470. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – GFY. Since you did not mention the Springsteen concert, you did not rise to my level of insight.

  471. jason says:

    I was not happy to vote for Trump but it had to be done.”

    Right, and it was people like you who elected him in PA.

    Reluctant suburban GOP voters that bit the bullet.

    While your wife, my wife, and I did not bite the bullet, he still squeaked through in PA.

    Bitter, a true hero, sacrificed himself to save the rest of us from Hillary.

  472. Mr.Vito says:

    The important questions are: will jason or your wives vote for Trump next time, and which potential candidate would they vote for over Trump?

  473. Mr.Vito says:

    Biden
    Booker
    Clinton
    Gillibrand
    Harris
    Michelle O
    Sanders
    Warren

    Baldwin
    Clooney
    De Blasio
    Iger
    Schultz
    THE ROCK

  474. Mr.Vito says:

    Oprah

  475. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – I knew PA would be close. I could not sit out.

    Mr. Vito – I do not believe that my wife could ever vote for Trump. She has never voted for a Democrat for President. Ironically, my vote for Trump was closer to voting for a Democrat than any of her votes.

  476. Mr.Vito says:

    Apparently your votes for Specter were closer to voting for a Democrat…

  477. Mr.Vito says:

    Just sayin…

  478. Bitterlaw says:

    Specter was a Republican longer than Trump.

  479. Mr.Vito says:

    He was also a Democrat in an office you voted for longer than Trump.

  480. Phil says:

    Didn’t care for Specter. I will say this. He was instrumental in getting Clarance Thomas confirmed on a 52-48 vote after libs pulled out all the stops with Anita Hill.

  481. Mr.Vito says:

    Too bad Thomas wasn’t enough to overturn Specter’s Obamacare vote.

  482. Mr.Vito says:

    Only to get ditched by Obama in 2010…

  483. Phil says:

    Not defending Specter’s body of work at all. Just pointing out the one instance where Specter stood up. Doesn’t wipe out the other stuff at all.

  484. Mr.Vito says:

    I helped put Nelson in the Senate, so I’m not claiming any superiority.

  485. Wes says:

    So Eminem–misogynist and homophobe–is the Left’s rallying point against Trump now.

    It’s amazing how easily one expiates otherwise unforgivable sins by attacking a common enemy.

  486. Mr.Vito says:

    Sir Carmine says Hitler is cursing Trump from Hell hoping to gain some favor when the babykillers get there…

    ZING!

  487. Bitterlaw says:

    Eminem also sang about tying his wife to a bed and setting the house on fire. I think he also wanted to lock her in the trunk and drive a car off a bridge.

  488. Wes says:

    Then again, when did Eminem last have a hit?

    What are the odds he’s pulling a Dixie Chicks routine and just trying to draw attention by attacking a sitting President to bolster lackluster music and ticket sales?

  489. Mr.Vito says:

    Pretty good odds.

  490. Mr.Vito says:

    Almost worked for Kaepernick…

  491. Wes says:

    Pence was aa misogynist for refusing to be alone with any woman besides his wife.

    Eminem is awesome because he clearly doesn’t mean his lyrics. By the way, did you hear he attacked Trump?

    🙄

  492. jason says:

    The important questions are: will jason or your wives vote for Trump next time, and which potential candidate would they vote for over Trump?”

    I don’t think my wife will ever vote for Trump, although she remains a R while I quit the party.

    As for me, I am open to voting for him for re-election. By that time, my reservations this time around would be moot, or not. But if he is weakened and there is a strong primary challenge from someone like Rubio who I think could win the GE, I would consider that too.

  493. Mr.Vito says:

    A lot of men/boys have also claimed they have been sexually harrassed or abused in Hollywood. Will anyone stand up for them?

    The only one I’ve seen stand up this week is Terry Crews.

  494. GPO says:

    I think Rob Schneider did as well

  495. Bitterlaw says:

    We need Tgca to discuss the issue. While he does not know as much about being gay as lisab (who is not gay) he is a good source of information.

  496. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Wes created another false equivalency. Pence is an elected official. Eminem is just a singer.

    Or does your brain not function after years of lying to yourself and posting in this inbred far-right circle jerk?

  497. Mr.Vito says:

    Noisy Gong is more hollow than usual.

  498. Wes says:

    511 would merit a response if it didn’t read like Charlie Brown’s teacher’s speech.

  499. Mr.Vito says:

    Even my liberal government employers warned me about meeting alone with clients of the opposite sex… it’s sort of in the handbook.

  500. Bitterlaw says:

    The scum lives on the same street as a Sheriff’s deputy. I hope the deputy’s police dog tears the guy’s throat out when he gets back from court. He could just say, “Oops. I didn’t know the dog was loaded.” He and the dog would be heroes.

  501. Mr.Vito says:

    Waw waw. Waw wah wah waaaaa.

    BONNNNNG!

  502. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump and the other Trump-named trolls are disappointing. Transparent Dem Troll really screwed us over when he retired.

  503. Wes says:

    Child porn, huh?

    Flay him alive and bury him under an African ant hill.

  504. Mr.Vito says:

    Mr.Bitter… it is gross. Just for clarity, if he did not actually touch any children, does he still get his throat ripped out for participating in the photos? Not judging, just asking.

    Also, how do you feel about this epidemic of female teachers preying on students? There seems to be multiple in the news daily…

  505. Cash Cow TM says:

    equivalency

    leavy quince?

  506. Mr.Vito says:

    I guess that can be an open question, then.

  507. Wes says:

    When women like this exist in the world, why would some idiot want to look at kids engaging in forced sexual acts?

    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=980&bih=735&q=Charissa+littlejohn&oq=Charissa+littlejohn&gs_l=img.3…23.2937.0.3220.10.9.0.0.0.0.505.505.5-1.1.0….0…1.1j4.64.img..9.1.502…0j35i39k1j0i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.63OGyiv_MhU#imgrc=F0lA_RWZAVRCeM:

    Disgusting.

  508. Mr.Vito says:

    I don’t know either, Wes. But I’m asking because of the distinction that many make, often in the GOP, between having thoughts and acting on those thoughts. (Thought police)

  509. Trump says:

    Bitterlaw is a low-info, low-intelligence 4th quartile moron. Not disappointing at all.

    Par for the course.

  510. DW says:

    “this inbred far-right circle jerk?”

    Dave Wissing is far-right? Who knew?

  511. Jonesy says:

    So GOP holds a open State House seat on FL, that went for Hillary in 2016 near Orlando.

    Pubbie won by 12%. Robbie Sad. His narrative a joke

  512. hugh says:

    456. Though these regulations are not ones I deal with I think I can help with your question. When congress passes tax law the laws are very complex and often somewhat vague. The law will say that the secretary of treasury can develop regulations to help with interpreting the law. So in many cases the IRS has huge discretion and can in some cases turn the law on its head. However, my experience is that the IRS is the most reasonable of the regulatory agencies and least political. The Secretary of the Treasury can direct the staff writing the regulations to change them or withdraw them. What is true with tax law is true with almost any law congress passes. So in the case of Obamacare it was so broadly written with the devil in the details so the president has a fair amount of ability to alter things through an exec order. In obamas case he often went beyond what was in various laws and was often slapped down by the courts. Hope this helps.

  513. Jonesy says:

    458. Phil, Brit Hume was the best. He kept repeating to Rove, Chris Wallace, and Megyn Kelly( All never Trumpers) that 538 and Silverfish showed Trump winning in his model.

    Juan Williams was in shock

  514. Jonesy says:

    Ben Affleck on the Hot seat now. Boston Punk

  515. Mr.Vito says:

    In fairness, the original Dem candidate resigned over eligibility questions, and his name could not be replaced on the ballot. If the Democrat running in his place had won, it would have gone to court over rules that do not allow a candidate to be replaced when deemed ineligible.

  516. Bitterlaw says:

    Mr. Vito – Yes. His throat should be torn out. He created an audience for the scum victimizing the children. If you want to play lisab-style games on the issue, go ahead.

  517. Cash Cow TM says:

    15 days
    OCTOBER 11, 2017
    Time that parents can be sentenced to jail if their child violates any city law, including bullying, in North Tonawanda, N.Y. The law took effect Oct. 1.
    Source: The Buffalo News

    More than 50
    OCTOBER 10, 2017
    Cities that celebrated Indigenous Peoples Day instead of Columbus Day yesterday. Berkeley, Calif., was the first to make the switch — in 1992 — but most of the rest of the cities adopted the new holiday only in the past three years.
    Source: Governing

    $465 million
    OCTOBER 9, 2017
    Settlement the pharmaceutical company that makes EpiPen has agreed to pay the federal government, 49 states and the District of Columbia. The company was accused of underpaying rebates to Medicaid and Medicare.
    Source: NBC News

    $45 billion to $90 billion
    OCTOBER 6, 2017
    Early estimate of Hurricane Maria’s damage to Puerto Rico. The island was already bankrupt before the storm hit, with $72 billion in debt.
    Source: Governing

  518. Mr.Vito says:

    “If you want to play lisab-style games on the issue, go ahead.”

    Not particularly… do you?

  519. Mr.Vito says:

    I don’t know how I could have asked any more politely.

  520. Bitterlaw says:

    524 is what I am talking about. No substance. Just repetitive insults. Transparent Dem Troll would be ashamed.

  521. Jonesy says:

    This will make the Ninth Circus nervous.

    McConnell to get rid of Blue Slips

    Confirm Dem Judges Baby.

  522. jason says:

    “Since you did not mention the Springsteen concert, you did not rise to my level of insight.”

    Yeah, but my analysis was before the Springsteen Concert.

    Still, those who saw the concert as a sign that Hillary had some bad PA poll numbers were correct.

  523. Jonesy says:

    530. Win is a win Vito

  524. DW says:

    Chris Wallace was the first, just after 9:00 pm to say that he was open to the possibility that Trump could win.

    Like I said before, the 9:00 pm poll closing was the point of turning. It was already known that Trump was well on his way to winning FL, but what was unknown was whether or not Trump’s rural appeal in FL (and for that matter early states like VA, KY and IN) was an anomaly or a pattern that would also spread to the rust belt states.

    When 9 pm arrived and the ONLY state they could call for Hillary was NY, while MI, WISCONSIN and MINNESOTA(!) were all too close to call. That was the moment the better analysts knew the rural surge was nation–especially so in states with larger white working class populations.

  525. Jonesy says:

    536. Them Judges, sorry

  526. Bitterlaw says:

    Mr. Vito – No games. I live in the North. We don’t trust politeness.

  527. Jonesy says:

    DW, first one to call it on Twitter was Bill Mitchell, Cernovich etc… they were privy to FL numbers early

  528. Mr.Vito says:

    “Confirm Dem Judges Baby.”

    Does this mean “Confirm them judges, baby!”

  529. Transparent Dem Troll says:

    535 – you have no idea what life has been like the last year since Hillary Clinton lost.

  530. jason says:

    Bitterlaw is a low-info, low-intelligence 4th quartile moron.”

    Darn, I can’t break for an hour long light lunch without Bitter hogging a sh-tload of points?

  531. Mr.Vito says:

    Ok, Jonesy… I couldn’t tell if you were using the colloquial form of dem.

  532. jason says:

    Hey TDT, can’t you sent Proud Obamacon back to re-training camp?

    He is an embarrassment to trolls everywhere.

  533. Mr.Vito says:

    “535 – you have no idea what life has been like the last year since Hillary Clinton lost.”

    Hasn’t been too bad for me. Not so great for Robbie.

  534. Bitterlaw says:

    TDT – GFY. We used to have great trolls like Kim and Dustin. You left us with Trump and the other Trumps. Your work here was legendary. You had a large staff and expense account. What are you doing now?

  535. Mr.Vito says:

    While you are at it, tell P.O. To stop using other posters names…

  536. GPO says:

    Huge news # 536 Jonesy

  537. GPO says:

    To add to Hugh in 527- I am no lawyer but do follow The Supreme Court a bit. Gorsuch has been talking about this issue, asking if the Court should be looking into these agencies as they’ve usurped too much authority to the point of making laws . He questions whether the Court should continue its deference to these agencies

  538. GPO says:

    Jonesy- apparently Grassley has not signed off on that yet.

  539. Mr.Vito says:

    Privates on parade: ISIS fighters are lined up and kicked in the groin in bizarre new propaganda video.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4969170/ISIS-fighters-lined-kicked-groin-video.html

    The evidence is growing that the cowards have no balls.

  540. Trump says:

    The two jokes trying to jerk each other off.

    This is the life of low-iq morons, jason and Bitterlaw.

    Who gets most points for being the stupidest?

  541. Trump says:

    All their friends are imaginary figures.

  542. Robbie says:

    No wonder the Trump chumps were all in favor of this clown.

    BUT HE FIGHTS!

    SEND A MESSAGE!

    Christina Wilkie?
    @christinawilki

    NEW: Alabama Sen candidate Roy Moore took over $1 million salary ovr 5 yrs from a small charity, then covered it up.

  543. Mr.Vito says:

    The GOP probably shouldn’t have spent all that money making sure Moore made the runoff instead of Brooks.

  544. NYCmike says:

    I don’t recall one person here being FOR Moore.

    I do recall people being AGAINST Strange, due to the McConnell connection.

    Robbie is just making up sh*t like a Hillary supporter would…..

  545. NYCmike says:

    Moore probably should NOT have done that.

    $10-30 million should have uncovered that.

  546. NYCmike says:

    “Trump Chumps!”

    “Trump Chumps!”

    “Trump Chumps!”

  547. NYCmike says:

    “Trump Chumps!”

    “Trump Chumps!”

  548. NYCmike says:

    Say that 5x fast!

  549. NYCmike says:

    I miss Tina saying “muh Russia”.

  550. Mr.Vito says:

    As a reminder McConnells PAC ran ads saying Brooks wasnt “Trump” enough. Maybe they

    SENT THE WRONG MESSAGE!

  551. Mr.Vito says:

    BUT THE JUDGES!!!

  552. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie
    Please expound on the Roy Moore “scandal”.
    Did he not report the income on his tax returns?
    Did he have a management position at the charities which paid him?
    Was this “scandal” broached during the GOP primaries?

    Remember, Obama and Clinton make huge amounts of money for half hour speeches!

  553. Mr.Vito says:

    McConnell apparently is inept at running Robbie’s civil war.

    Maybe he should have realized Alabama did not want a senator picked under shady circumstances by a sleazy unpopular incumbent and just went with Brooks.

    SEND THAT MESSAGE!

  554. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #571
    So this story against Moore was litigated against him by the Strange team during the GOP primary run-off, yet Moore won handily?

    If so, Robbie, the Washington Post and Robbie’s girlfriend, Christina Wilkie, are reporting on this a month after the story broke in AL.
    Old News?!

  555. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Bitter
    Any thoughts about the Wolf and Casey Jr. re-elect numbers in PA from this poll?

    http://abc27.com/spr-fall-2017-pa-statewide-omnibus-poll/

  556. Mr.Vito says:

    Sheeple, they look like they are upset with gridlock…

    Here is something interesting from your poll:

    registration:
    Rep: 39
    Dem: 47

    How do you think of yourself?
    Rep: 30
    Dem: 31

  557. Mr.Vito says:

    In the 2016 exit polls, party ID was
    Rep: 39
    Dem: 42

  558. NYCmike says:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/10/11/obama_lied_my_fourth_health_plan_died_135231.html

    -Yup, that repeal bill which was sent to Obama by a Republican Congress would NOT have been a good thing! I am so glad that a Republican Congress couldn’t send that to President Trump because of his bad tweets! //

  559. Mr.Vito says:

    Looking at this at face value, I don’t see why Casey couldn’t lose if the GOP got off their butts and did something.

    Casey had 53.7% in 2012 to Smith (who is Smith again?), in a high turnout election that favored Democrats.

    Trump got more votes than Toomey in 2016, and both were pretty close to the number Casey got in 2012.

  560. Mr.Vito says:

    Mike, in Florida plans are slated to increase by 50-70%.

  561. NYCmike says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/11/us/tom-steyer-trump-impeachment.html

    -Mr. Vito,

    Maybe if Casey has to promise to impeach Trump….

  562. NYCmike says:

    Mr. Vito,

    I am still waiting to get a notice, unless my wife is hiding it from me.

  563. NYCmike says:

    Republicans DEFINITELY have to field a good candidate, even if just to make the Democrats spend some $$ in PA.

    That $10-30 million from Alabama could have come in handy……

  564. Mr.Vito says:

    Nah… they’ll get plenty more from the donors.

    uh oh.

  565. Mr.Vito says:

    Trump and Mattis now blasting irresponsible fake news from NBC.

    Last week Trump and Tillerson blasted fake news.

    Meanwhile, NBC buries real news on Harvey Weinstein.

  566. NYCmike says:

    Wouldn’t it be ironic if Bannon went out, got a “deadender” candidate, raised $$, and made Casey/Democrats defend that seat?!?

  567. Trump says:

    “For Republicans, ‘Failure Is Not an Option’ on Tax Cuts”

    Don’t underestimate them.

  568. NYCmike says:

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/10/academic-antifa-journal-removes-colonialism-article-after-credible-threats-of-personal-violence/

    -This country may be reaching a tipping point.

    And this author should be ashamed for backing down…..then again, it is easy for me to say that, when I am NOT the one being threatened with bodily harm.

  569. jason says:

    Wouldn’t it be ironic if Bannon went out, got a “deadender” candidate, raised $$, and made Casey/Democrats defend that seat?!?”

    Zzzzzzz…deadenders don’t try to win Dem seats, their purpose is to defeat Repubicans so liberal Dems can win.

    Get it straight. But maybe he can find a deadender to run against Toomey.

  570. jason says:

    “For Republicans, ‘Failure Is Not an Option’ on Tax Cuts”

    Don’t underestimate them.”

    Heh, that’s actually funny.

  571. Mr.Vito says:

    Trump just backed Lou Barletta for Senate, I think.

  572. jason says:

    Roy Moore is a disgrace. Anyone here who supported him, or thought he was acceptable, should be ashamed of themselves.

  573. Mr.Vito says:

    If the GOP is lucky, McConnell will stay out of it.

  574. jason says:

    Barletta won’t win against Casey. But he won’t get killed either.

  575. DW says:

    Here is that Chris Wallace quote I mentioned earlier–from election night:

    9:05 pm

    Chris Wallace on Fox News says he is now “open to the possibility Donald Trump could be the next president of the United States.”

    –Compare this to the clowns at ABS who said hours later that AZ was considered locked in for Clinton.

  576. jason says:

    Roy Moore’s son was arrested for the ninth time, but Roy Moore says its a political cheap shot.

    Reminds me of the defendant in a stabbing case, who claimed the victim fell on his knife…nine times.

  577. Cash Cow TM says:

    October 11

    CHARLESTON, W.Va. — Severance tax receipts through the first quarter of the fiscal year are 47 percent above where they were a year ago, state revenue officials said Wednesday.

  578. jason says:

    ABS?

    American Bull Sh-tters?

  579. jason says:

    Can Strange still run third party?

    Maybe he can pull a Murkowski.

  580. Cash Cow TM says:

    “…all that money making…”

    tall Ma hating monkey

  581. Mr.Vito says:

    What was he arrested for? Stabbing someone?

  582. Mr.Vito says:

    Oh, I see… hunting without permission a year ago.

  583. Mr.Vito says:

    If you want to send a message, better to run Brooks third party… someone not actually tied to a scandal.

  584. jason says:

    Ok, let’s run Brooks as a write-in then, after a quick poll to see if he would have a chance.

  585. jason says:

    h, I see… hunting without permission a year ago.”

    What were the other 8 times for?

    Maybe he is a serial victim of the law.

  586. Mr.Vito says:

    Did he claim the other 8 were political?

  587. jason says:

    Let me be clear here, I don’t think Roy Moore has to be held accountable by what his son does.

    My objection was to the “political persecution” meme for someone arrested 9 times.

  588. Mr.Vito says:

    I could agree with you… just asking basic questions.

    The first 8 being nonpolitical doesn’t mean the ninth wasn’t.

  589. jason says:

    Did he claim the other 8 were political?”

    Irrelevant.

    His son has a pattern of being arrested, so the “political persecution” BS does not pass the smell test.

    Quite to the contrary, it would be easier to make the claim if it was his first arrest. His ninth? No.

  590. Mr.Vito says:

    I can’t listen to Levin… he yells too much… similar to how I can’t listen to Springstein.

  591. Mr.Vito says:

    It would also make him an easy victim for a political one.

  592. Mr.Vito says:

    I guess you don’t know.

  593. jason says:

    The first 8 being nonpolitical doesn’t mean the ninth wasn’t.”

    It’s possible. However, given the pattern, in my opinion its not likely.

    He is going to be arrested a 10th time, 11th, 12th. Bet on it.

  594. Mr.Vito says:

    He had some drug charges, I see. If he had a drug problem that could explain repeated offenses.

    If he’s been clean a long time, I could see how his father would claim a hunting charge, that long after the fact was political.

  595. jason says:

    It would also make him an easy victim for a political one.”

    Which do you think is more likely?

  596. Mr.Vito says:

    …and not until after he is nominated for Senate…

  597. Mr.Vito says:

    “Which do you think is more likely?”

    Irrelevant.

    I am actually looking it up to try to find out. Are you?

  598. jason says:

    And I would say someone who uses drugs is more likely to get into trouble with the law again.

    But if you want to believe the conspiracy theory fine with me.

    And if Roy Moore had come out and said I think my son should obey hunting laws like everyone else I would still think he is a scumbag, so this is not the defining issue.

  599. jason says:

    The time for a political hit job on his son would have been in the primary, not now.

    The tax thing I don’t know, THAT could be political.

    Or it could be political AND true.

  600. jason says:

    The point is I don’t think anyone would think arresting his son on hunting charges would change the GE result, but it could have cost him a few precious points in a close primary.

    The tax thing, that could cost him the election, if its got legs. I haven’t read anything about it, have no idea if its true or not.

    I don’t like Moore, I think he is a bottom feeder who thinks he is above the law, but contrary to Wobbie I don’t buy into any MSM piece that comes up.

  601. Mr.Vito says:

    “And I would say someone who uses drugs is more likely to get into trouble with the law again.”

    Still not relevant to your assertion that this wasn’t political…

    “But if you want to believe the conspiracy theory fine with me.”

    I tend to search for the truth. You can believe what you want to believe.

    “I would still think he is a scumbag.”

    That explains the rest why you were offended by me asking simple questions to find the truth, I think. People jumping to immediate conclusions that fits their beliefs makes me more likely to wonder if Moore is correct.

  602. Mr.Vito says:

    Looking facts up and trying to understand them better doesn’t seem very controversial to me…

  603. Bitterlaw says:

    574 Always remember when reading Pennsylvania polls that the “Independents” in Philadelphia are almost all Democrats. That raises the real Dem party ID in the poll.

    Casey and Wolf will win. I think voter turnout for the Dems will be higher in Philadelphia and the suburbs will be higher than the usual mid-terms because of the white-hot hatred of Trump.

    Even if the Congress passed everything NYC wants, it will be irrelevant. The hatred of Trump is that strong here and I don’t think the rural vote will turn out like in 2016.

  604. Bitterlaw says:

    A Jason-Mr. Vito fight? Could be messy. when two A-holes spew at each other.

  605. Mr.Vito says:

    “That raises the real Dem party ID in the poll.”

    Well if that is the case, it is curious, because they voted 48-41 for Trump in 2016.

  606. Mr.Vito says:

    42 D 87-11 Clinton
    39 R 89-9 Trump
    20 I 48-41 Trump

  607. Bitterlaw says:

    Mr. Vito – Maybe the Rural Independents like Jason were booming. As a person who served as a Committeeman in Philadelphia, every Independent I talked to in the city voted straight Dem. I had the voter lists and used to go to their homes and apartments GOP literature. They said to keep it because they were voting Dem.

  608. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Today, Chicago repealed its tax on soda and other sugary drinks after passing legislation six(6) mos.ago. When will Philadelphia see the light?!

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/10/bloombergs-cook-county-soda-tax-repealed-months-after-its-implementation/

  609. Mr.Vito says:

    626 Things may be looking up for you then… that poll, and the exit poll, may be indicating a lot of rural Dems are now ID’ing as independent and not voting Dem.

  610. Bitterlaw says:

    Shocking. The biggest voting fraud I have heard about is in the Democratic primaries in Philadelphia for local races. The winner of the primary wins the GE.

    The new DA had BLM at his primary victory party. People were chanting F the Police! I have no idea how any cop could vote for him but they will because he is a Dem.

  611. Mr.Vito says:

    “The biggest voting fraud I have heard about is in the Democratic primaries in Philadelphia for local races”

    Isn’t that essentially what Sessions was asked to prosecute in Alabama, that they later claimed was racist?

  612. michael corleone says:

    Where is Bitter to say SSM has been a cultural snooze fest. The same forces led the the Boy Scout’s own executive board destroying the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts with one fell swoop. Yay no difference between men and women!

  613. Mr.Vito says:

    I am the woman in the ‘racist Dove ad’. I am not a victim

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/10/i-am-woman-racist-dove-ad-not-a-victim

    “If you Google “racist ad” right now, a picture of my face is the first result. I had been excited to be a part of the commercial and promote the strength and beauty of my race, so for it to be met with widespread outrage was upsetting.”

  614. jason says:

    Mr. Western Civilization is back?

    Has gay marriage been reversed yet?

  615. jason says:

    “That explains the rest why you were offended by me asking simple questions to find the truth,”

    I wasn’t offended at all.

    You are free to believe the ninth arrest of this guy is political.

    I believe someone arrested 8 times is likely to be arrested a ninth.

    And btw, your theory that maybe he was “clean for a long time” is BS, he was arrested for drugs in 2015 so unless you think a year is a long time that dog won’t hunt either.

    And of course, its just another instance of Roy Moore assuming the law does not apply to him.

  616. Mr.Vito says:

    “he was arrested for drugs in 2015”

    Did he go to rehab? has he been clean since?

  617. jason says:

    So the Yahoo lead story is about sexual harrassment, and they have Trump’s picture next to Bill O Reilly, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, etc.

    No, Bill Clinton is not in the picture.

    Where is Wobbie? Any outrage?

  618. Mr.Vito says:

    It is good you actually decided to look into it.

  619. Mr.Vito says:

    Hopefully you will find out if he said the other eight times were political like the guy saying the person fell on a knife nine times.

  620. jason says:

    Did he go to rehab? has he been clean since?”

    I don’t know, and of course not being caught doesn’t mean he wasn’t doing drugs.

    In any event, a year without being arrested is not a “long time” to me.

    The guy is a serial troublemaker including drugs and DUI. Maybe its not his father’s fault, some kids go bad even with great parenting, but covering for him is just more evidence that his father is scum, not that more evidence is needed.

  621. Mr.Vito says:

    Do you have evidence he has covered for his son?

  622. Mr.Vito says:

    He seems to not be very good at covering for his son, if that is the case.

  623. jason says:

    “In 2015, More was arrested for drug possession after he was allegedly caught with X-nax pills. Officers also found him in possession of marijuana. Moore was arrested and taken to the city jail. He was released on bond totaling $8,500, AL.com reported. He then responded to the charges in a Facebook post.

    “This is nothing more than a prime example of how media and crooked police officers and critics of my dad try to not only destroy his career for what he stands for but will go as far as trying to destroy his family,” he wrote,

  624. jason says:

    Do you have evidence he has covered for his son?”

    Sure do.

    When your son is arrested for breaking the law and you say its political, you are covering for him.

  625. Mr.Vito says:

    I see that his son turned himself in when they decided to charge him with a misdemeanor 11 months later. Did his father tell him to do that?

  626. Mr.Vito says:

    You are starting to do better… did his father agree with him?

  627. jason says:

    He is always going to be arrested by “crooked police officers”

    The 10th time, 11th, 12th….

    He will never admit to anything because his father will always cover for him.

    His father believes he can pick and choose which laws should be obeyed, so its not a problem.

  628. jason says:

    17 at 7:59 pm

    You are starting to do better… did his father agree with him?”

    You mean did he disagree with him?

    I doubt it.

  629. Mr.Vito says:

    “He will never admit to anything because his father will always cover for him.”

    I’m missing the evidence that he covers for him from your Salon.com article.

    https://www.salon.com/2017/10/10/roy-moores-son-released-from-jail-his-ninth-time-being-booked/

    It does say the young Moore has blamed it on his father in the past. It also shows he has repeatedly accepted the consequences.

  630. Mr.Vito says:

    Why did you leave this part off the quote?

    “…according to AL.com. “I am not a drug user as the drug test taken today will show. As for the malicious possession charges, justice will be served.”

    The drug charges were later dropped, after Moore agreed to enter a pre-trial diversion program which subjected him to regular drug tests, AL.com reported”

  631. jason says:

    the original arrest was on November 16, 2016.

    Posted: Monday, November 28, 2016 4:44 pm

    Caleb Elisha Moore, 26, of Gallant, was arrested over the weekend on two related miscellaneous charges in Etowah County.

    Moore, the son of suspended Alabama Supreme Court justice Roy Moore, was arrested on Friday on counts of hunting without a license and hunting over bait, both of which are misdemeanor charges according to Etowah County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Natalie Barton.

    This is Moore’s eighth arrest over the past five years.

    In 2015, Moore was arrested in Troy for possession of drug paraphernalia and possession of marijuana near the scene of an attempted break-in. Moore has been arrested for driving under the influence twice in Alabama and Florida and three separate times on other drug-related charges in Alabama.”

    Arrested 8 times in 5 years.

    Yeah, clearly “political”. LOL. I love this place.

  632. Trump says:

    The losers are still exercised over the election of Roy Moore?

    Get a life, morons.

    He is the best that the Alabama GOP has.

    10 points better than the next one.

  633. Mr.Vito says:

    “Yeah, clearly “political”. LOL. I love this place.”

    Why, did you make that assertion?

  634. Mr.Vito says:

    So far, I haven’t asserted anything… I have pointed out you haven’t proven any of yours so far.

  635. jason says:

    I googled “Roy Moore’s sons arrest” and that is what came up, didn’t even know it was Salon.

    Nevertheless, it was his own quote unless Salon made it (wouldn’t surprise me)

    So he agreed to enter a pre-trial diversion program because he wasn’t guilty?

    “Moore has been arrested for driving under the influence twice in Alabama and Florida and three separate times on other drug-related charges in Alabama.”

    All political too?

  636. Mr.Vito says:

    “All political too?”

    That’s what you are supposed to be trying to prove… did his father bail him out of any of those or excuse them?

    “So he agreed to enter a pre-trial diversion program because he wasn’t guilty?”

    Well, you are the one that said he would never accept his guilt because of his father, so does that mean you changed your mind?

  637. jason says:

    If he’s been clean a long time, I could see how his father would claim a hunting charge, that long after the fact was political.”

    EVERY part of this is BS.

    He hasn’t been clean for a “long time”.

    “That long after the fact”. It was November 16, 2016 less than a year ago, its very common for cases to take that long.

    There is of course ZERO evidence it was political and a TON of evidence the guy is a serial law breaker.

  638. jason says:

    ell, you are the one that said he would never accept his guilt because of his father, so does that mean you changed your mind?”

    He said it himself…

    “This is nothing more than a prime example of how media and crooked police officers and critics of my dad try to not only destroy his career for what he stands for but will go as far as trying to destroy his family,” he wrote,

  639. jason says:

    Doesn’t sound like someone who accepts guilt?

    Maybe he learned if from his scumbag father, who broke the law repeatedly and always had an excuse for it.

  640. jason says:

    Anyway, Vito, if you want to defend Roy Moore and his son, go ahead.

    You can have the last word.

  641. Bitterlaw says:

    Where is Bitter to say SSM has been a cultural snooze fest. The same forces led the the Boy Scout’s own executive board destroying the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts with one fell swoop. Yay no difference between men and women!

    It has been a cultural snoozefest. GFY. There are differences. That is why I married a woman.

  642. Mr.Vito says:

    “EVERY part of this is BS.”

    It’s an if-then statement… if every part of it were BS then it would be logically true.

    “He hasn’t been clean for a “long time”.”

    That’s why I asked you to find it out… has he been clean since his arrest in 2015?

    ““That long after the fact”. It was November 16, 2016…”

    I said myself it had been 11 months, so that isn’t new information. To most people, that’s a long time…

    “There is of course ZERO evidence it was political.”

    …if he was arrested in 2016, why was he rearrested for the same thing and had it called a different arrest?

  643. Mr.Vito says:

    “…if he was arrested in 2016, why was he rearrested for the same thing and had it called a different arrest?”

    jason may have inadvertently justified the argument it was political…

  644. Mr.Vito says:

    “Anyway, Vito, if you want to defend Roy Moore and his son, go ahead.”

    Not really… I’m just waiting for evidence first.

  645. Mr.Vito says:

    “…who broke the law repeatedly and always had an excuse for it.”

    Well, he did give a reason for the two times he did, but the higher court disagreed, although some of that court’s opinion was actually overturned from what I read.

    A lot of civil rights activists broke the law repeatedly and had excuses for it… that does not automatically make them scumbags, nor does it make subsequent arrests apolitical. Some of them it does perhaps, like BLM, although they don’t think so.

    So it is not that he broke laws, but that you do not agree with his cause for breaking the particular laws that makes him a scumbag to you.

  646. Mr.Vito says:

    Well, I shouldn’t assume… maybe you really do think that anyone that breaks a law or disobeys an order they think is unjust is a scumbag.

  647. NYCmike says:

    Jason is starting to be as “sure about things” as he was last January-October, when all of a sudden “things” changed……good to see.

    It’s like Robbie saying “Trump Chumps” as often as possible.

  648. Trump says:

    Some think Moore is scumbag, others think McCain is scumbag.

    Each to his own.

  649. Mr.Vito says:

    Bill Clinton Reportedly ‘Heartsick’ Over Hillary’s Book Tour

    “Before Hillary sent the manuscript to her publisher, she gave it to Bill to read, and he made major changes with a red pencil,” the friend said. “But she refused to even read his corrections, and he got so furious that he tossed the entire manuscript into the garbage.

    “He told her the book made her look bewildered, angry and confused, and that those were poor qualities in a person who aspired to be a world leader,” they continued.

    “He hated the title because calling it ‘What Happened’ would only make people say, ‘You lost.’ He urged her to postpone the pub date and rewrite the book, but she yelled at him and said, ‘The book is finished and that’s how it’s going to be published.’”

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/10/10/bill-clinton-heartsick-over-hillarys-book

    I’m guessing Bill would like to tell her exactly what happened.

  650. Mr.Vito says:

    In fairness:

    Spokespeople for the Clintons called Klein a “sad man” and “pathetic liar.”

  651. Tina says:

    Muh Russian has not born fruitt, only fruitcakes.

  652. Mr.Vito says:

    https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run/articles/2017-10-11/tax-reform-key-to-republicans-fate-in-2018-midterms

    “Republican strategists and activists increasingly fear that a failure to deliver on tax reform in the coming months will intensify primary challenges to sitting incumbents next year and imperil the party’s already precarious standing in the midterm elections.

    Angry GOP donors, a restless conservative base, a standstill Congress and a uniquely impetuous president are raising the stakes for a fourth-quarter legislative agenda that will be largely defined by an attempt at revamping the tax code that has languished for months.”

  653. Mr.Vito says:

    “Meanwhile, even as Bannon’s clarion call for primary challengers to half a dozen GOP Senate incumbents has shaken the political media establishment as he intended, many GOP campaign veterans privately contend his influence has been widely overblown.”

  654. Mr.Vito says:

    “A Senate GOP source acknowledges fundraising has begun to lag since June and that the National Republican Senatorial Committee – the entity tasked with electing GOP senators – has spent more than it’s raised over the preceding two months.

    “Donors are so pissed off,” the source says. “If we don’t get tax reform, we won’t have the money to fund all our races. They just don’t understand why nothing’s been done.”

  655. Tina says:

    Bj must be hanging out with the bimbos.

  656. Mr.Vito says:

    The never-Trumpers said over and over this would be worth it… political oblivion for a generation, and surrendering America to liberals in the meantime is okay in order to ‘save’ the party by giving Trump no victories, and blame it on ‘deadender Trumpers.’

    So, is the Senate inaction (due to people like McCain and Murkowski) incompetence or by design?

    I think it is a valid question.

  657. Mr.Vito says:

    Throw Rand in there, who I am sure is laughing his ass off with his dad while the GOP destroys itself.

  658. janz says:

    #677. That’s just crazy to sacrifice a generation to erase Trump’s agenda! Short-sighted hostility sacrificing long term good policy. stupid!

  659. janz says:

    Tina, how are you doing?

  660. Mr.Vito says:

    Party before country, janz.

  661. Tina says:

    We are ok, voluntary evacuation.

  662. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – Hope you are well. I’m very sad to hear about the deaths. Are these people who decided to stay despite the danger or are the fires moving that fast they can’t get out?

  663. lisab says:

    While he does not know as much about being gay as lisab (who is not gay) he is a good source of information.
    —————————————-

    although i lived in provincetown, a fabulous sea-side town, i actually do not know very much about gays — not being one myself.

    gay men don’t hang particularly hang out with teenage girls, and lesbians certainly don’t hang out with straight teenage girls. if they thought you were questioning your gender preference maybe they would, but generally speaking lesbians don’t even like hanging out with baby-dykes never mind straight women.

  664. lisab says:

    although i would say both groups were certainly cordial, pretty much they have better things to do than hange out with straight girls.

  665. Bitterlaw says:

    Are you saying that the pillow fights between lesbians and straight women are myths? Damn.

  666. Mr.Vito says:

    why not?

  667. Mr.Vito says:

    One of my female friends hangs out and goes on diving trips with her gay friend.

  668. Mr.Vito says:

    He says my brother, who works out a lot, should work on his calves. Apparently, calves are important.

  669. Mr.Vito says:

    Being a sock, I can appreciate that.

  670. lisab says:

    besides, it is dangerous to get too close to a lesbian.

    if you piss them off they will steal your boyfriend

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Be8LnuG3U

  671. Mr.Vito says:

    Yeah, they seem like real catches.

  672. Mr.Vito says:

    Anyone know whether Trump’s interview tonight can be seen in full somewhere?

  673. lisab says:

    Are you saying that the pillow fights between lesbians and straight women are myths? Damn.
    ————————————

    i have never experienced one.

    the thing is, a straight girl can of course be friends with a lesbian, but they usually have gay friends … and they just have more in common.

  674. Cash Cow TM says:

    Worrying about you Tina….stay safe.

  675. Tina says:

    Gang, thanks. I am out. We are going. now, I do not trust the gubment since details are sketchy.

  676. Bitterlaw says:

    Thanks for the lesbians, lisab.

  677. janz says:

    Tina, it’s better to be safe than wait too long. The winds are up tonight and the humidity is down, which is not a good mix to temper the firestorms.

    I really can’t believe the destruction to the local communities. It’s beyond comprehension.

  678. lisab says:

    good luck tina

  679. Mr.Vito says:

    Stay safe, Tina. It comes in a hurry.

  680. lisab says:

    Thanks for the lesbians, lisab
    ———————————-

    no problem, i have watched that channel since it came out

    that clip is so spot on too … i have never really watched sports except the superbowl … although i did used to go watch the fighting illini women’s volleyball with my hubby during home games

    never owned a gaming console, never wanted one

    never went to see a james bond movie

    but i have taken my hubby shopping for 5 hours before

  681. lisab says:

    in fairness, he once made me watch the first three star wars movies in a row … or was it star trek? the one with the muppets

  682. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Vito spins the most convoluted story to blame “Never-Trumpers.'”

    It truly is a textbook case of cognitive dissonance.

    Nothing has passed because Trump is incompetent. It’s the president’s job to build support for legislation and use that public support to get congressman from both sides to vote for it.

    Even Dubya knew how to do this.

    Trump, who didn’t even win the most votes, is incapable of building support because he is such an impulsive and toxic person.

    So if you want to blame anyone, blame the person in charge.

    Not doing so just shows your own culpability and cowardice for continuing to support him.

  683. Trump says:

    A lying bunch of crap weasels cannot piss straight, and it is trump’s fault?

    Good one, moron.

    That is how you got trump.

    And that is how you will lose corrupt as@holes like flake, corker, et al

  684. Trump says:

    All that trump is doing is exposing the lying, corrupt, incompetent GOP critters.

  685. Mr.Vito says:

    “Vito spins the most convoluted story to blame “Never-Trumpers.’””

    What spin? All I did was quote them, including the ones here that went into hiding.

  686. Mr.Vito says:

    Noisy gong is confused.

  687. Mr.Vito says:

    As if Trump needed to garner support for what all his Senators promised to do, and did on their own multiple times…

    pffft.

  688. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    682. We are ok, voluntary evacuation.

    Do it. And make sure you gather all your important documents, credit cards, bank account information, and important personal items (pictures, etc) and take them with you. You have time to do it in a voluntary evacuation. During a mandatory evacuation it is often too late. It is amazing how fast a fire can move in a strong wind.

  689. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Obviously, there was an interesting debate yesterday in the NJ Governor’s race. Go Kim!

    https://www.insidernj.com/first-debate-disaster-murphy-breakthrough-guadagno/

  690. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Will Bob Menendez(D-NJ) skate on the bribery charges against him? A Clinton-appointed Judge hints at that result.

    http://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2017/10/11/menendez-judge-casts-doubt-on-key-prosecution-theory-114992

  691. NYCmike says:

    Looking at the numbers for NJ Presidential elections and NJ Governor elections……the drop-off in total number of votes is ridiculous, especially for Democrats!

    I also looked at the number of voters for the respective primaries for the last 3 primary elections…..Dems seem to be a LOT more motivated this time around.

    Does Kimmy G. have a chance? At this time, not much.

    BUT, I do want to see what sort of commercials she comes out with after this debate.

  692. NYCmike says:

    Looking thru different things, came across this video.

    https://pjmedia.com/video/michelle-obama-says-republicans-men-white/

    Boy, oh boy am I thrilled that those 8 LONGGGG years are up! She is odious!

  693. jason says:

    Some think Moore is scumbag, others think McCain is scumbag.

    Each to his own.”

    This is true.

    Some think McCain, who sacrificed for his country and was maimed, tortured and spent years as POW and then served his constituents honorably for decades is a scumbag.

    Others think people who think they are above the law due to their elevated positions are scumbags.

    Each to his own.

  694. jason says:

    ason is starting to be as “sure about things” as he was last January-October, when all of a sudden “things” changed…”

    LOL…what “changed” moron?

  695. jason says:

    I love the “blame the Never Trumpers” BS.

    I thought the Never Trumpers were vanquished.

    Now all of the sudden they are the all powerful thwarting the Trump agenda?

    LOL.

    Which is it?

  696. jason says:

    “besides, it is dangerous to get too close to a lesbian.”

    lisab just killed any chance she had of ever running for office.

    Too bad too, now that I am no longer committed to voting a straight R ticket, I could support a Utopian Socialist.

  697. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Democrats Have Reasons to Worry About the November Elections”

    http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/gov-2017-governor-races-virginia-new-jersey-elections.html

  698. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – HHR is a haven for those who are absolutely certain of contradictory ideas. It is like the Left and GWB. Somehow, he managed to be both an evil genius and an incompetent moron st the same time.

    Here comes Wes……..

  699. Bitterlaw says:

    Reading the Daily Mail is always fun. How often do American newspapers use words like ample and pert?

  700. Cash Cow TM says:

    ‘crap weasels’

    swear places

    (I know the Cash Cow obsession with rearranging letters to form new words is a “curse”)

  701. jason says:

    So it is not that he broke laws, but that you do not agree with his cause for breaking the particular laws that makes him a scumbag to you.”

    I promised to let Vito have the last word, but I can’t let this lie go unchecked.

    I personally have no objection to the Ten Commandments monument, I have often been critical of the war on Xmas, I think nativity scenes are fine, I have often argued with lisab here that I am not threatened by exposing children to both creationism and evolution.

    So although I am a secular person, good luck on painting me as anti religion or anti-Christian.

    However, when you are in a position where you have sworn to uphold the law, as certainly a supreme court judge has and you deliberately violate the law because you disagree with the decision, then I think scumbag fits perfectly.

  702. New York City says:

    Jason – HHR is a haven for those who are absolutely certain of contradictory ideas.”

    You rannnnngggggggg?

  703. NYCmike says:

    If a judge 100 years ago had not upheld Plessy vs. Ferguson, would he have been a “scumbag”?

  704. Trump says:

    Some think that the serial philanderer McCain who left his wife to cheat, who elevated corruption to a grand level with Chuck Keating, who tried to circumvent the Constitution by his McCain-Feingiold crap before being slapped dopwn by the Supreme Court, who is nothing more than a grandstanding backstabber making a living off his capture in enemy territory, is a scumbag.

    To each his own.

  705. jason says:

    Trump is supposed to be a great negotiator. Considering his business success, hard to argue.

    Yet he attacked McCain service record “he preferred people who weren’t captured”. Completely gratuitous and unnecessary.

    At the time, not only did I say that comment ensured I could never vote for him, but that these things had a way of coming back to haunt you.

    Now he insults Corker, who holds a key position and is not worried about getting re-elected. Stupid.

    I have been fair to Trump in supporting him where I think he deserves it.

    I prefer Ronald Reagan’s approach to getting things done.

  706. jason says:

    Hey Soccer Moron, I bet a low life parasite like you hasn’t done 0.00001% of what McCain has done for his country.

  707. Trump says:

    You bet wrong, creepy as&hole.

  708. Trump says:

    “RYAN TO CANCEL CHRISTMAS?”

    Now, even the children will turn against Ryan.

  709. Trump says:

    Part of Trump’s charter is to expose the GOP as the lying, corrupt, do-nothing crap weasels they are.

    I prefer that to Reagan approach.

  710. jason says:

    I’m guessing Bill would like to tell her exactly what happened.”

    Well, she should have a chapter on how Bill’s impeachment, disbarment, serial sexual harassment and influence peddling, etc. helped cement the general perception that she was not trustworthy.

  711. Trump says:

    ” Fed up with Congress, Trump whacks Obamacare with his pen

    An executive order is expected to encourage creation of skimpy, cheaper plans that would take healthier enrollees from Obamacare.”

    As the saying is, Fu ck Congress

  712. NYCmike says:

    Trump isn’t Reagan, as you told us many times before, and I agreed with you.

    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/10/12/behold-our-betters-n2393375

    “Then the media, the enabling Felonia von Pantsuit to the establishment’s Bill Clinton, starts talking about how Trump needs Corker’s vote for tax reform and how it was totally stupid and dumb and stupid for Trump to insult a guy whose vote he needs and … wait a minute. Did you detect a troubling premise within that line of reasoning? Did you notice how the media simply assumes that it’s just fine for Bob Corker to block critical reforms that will help normal Americans because his feelingz are hurted and he haz the sadz?”

  713. Trump says:

    “GREAT AGAIN: Unemployment claims fall to lowest level in 43 YEARS…”

    Cruising to re-election.

  714. jason says:

    You bet wrong, creepy as&hole.”

    I doubt it.

    I bet you are blood sucking parasite.

  715. NYCmike says:

    jason to call schlichter a “deadender” in 3….2…..1…..

  716. NYCmike says:

    “Did you notice how the media simply assumes that it’s just fine for Bob Corker to block critical reforms that will help normal Americans because his feelingz are hurted and he haz the sadz?””

    -The media may be right to assume in this case, since even “conservatives” like jason are ok with it.

  717. Trump says:

    Don’t worry, NeverTrumper candidates will go to Trump voters bragging about not having delivered on their numerous promises.

  718. Trump says:

    You are stupid, always betting wrong, as*hole.

    This is what happens when you are a bottom-feeding 4th q stupid.

  719. Trump says:

    Blood-sucking parasites are not known for $250k + annual tax bills, ignorant bottom-feeding scum.

  720. jason says:

    Felonia von Pantsuit”

    Wow, can Tina beat that?

  721. jason says:

    Soccer Moron pays taxes?

    Who knew?

  722. jason says:

    It seems to me Trump needs Corker a lot more than Corker needs Trump.

    But go ahead and keep deluding yourselves that its the other way around.

  723. Jonesy says:

    Jason, Corker has a lot of powerful friends and allies who want those tax cuts, many who gave to his campaigns over the years.

    He might be retiring and hate Trump, but I think he will do the right thing in the end, unlike Crabby Old McCain.

  724. Trump says:

    “Who knew?”

    Not you, creep as*hole.

    You don’t know what tax-paying means, moron.

  725. Jonesy says:

    711. Is Menendez trial at the District Court?

    Clinton Judge must realize that US Appeals is watching

  726. Trump says:

    Corker is a dead man walking.

    The attitudes of this stupid idiot, as well as other deadenders like McCain and Flake, are only hurting other GOP candidates such as Strange.

    “senators need a “sense of urgency. Nobody is safe.” Multiple primary challenges appear inevitable, with candidates already declared against Flake and Heller and former state Sen. Chris McDaniel expected to run against Wicker in Mississippi. Candidates in Utah and Wyoming are weighing bids, though no challenger has yet to emerge in Nebraska.”

    Primary each of these lying crap weasels. 8% job approval rating does wonders.

    “But he conceded that voting for failed bills might not be enough to stave off attacks.

    “Policy seems to matter less than attitude,” Jennings said. “You cannot appear satisfied with saying, ‘I voted for it; what do you want me to do?’ You have to channel the frustration and the anger to the extent you can without looking ridiculous. And the truth is I think most of these senators are frustrated.”

    Step on their throats when they are down. With hob-nailed boots.

  727. jason says:

    Speaking of scumbags..

    “The U.S. Army has scheduled a court martial hearing for Monday where Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is expected to enter a plea in his desertion case.

    Bergdahl “has requested via defense counsel to enter a plea with the court on Monday,” U.S. Army Forces Command said in a scheduling statement today.

    The Associated Press reported last week that Bergdahl, 31, was expected to enter a guilty plea in his case but that was not confirmed by Bergdahl’s legal defense team.

    His court martial will now be held a week ahead of the previously scheduled start date of Oct. 23, according to the statement.

    Bergdahl faced charges of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy after his release in May 2014 from a five-year captivity by the Taliban in Afghanistan.”

  728. jason says:

    I am glad the Army did not back down, even though it was obvious Obama wanted to give him a free pass.

  729. jason says:

    ason, Corker has a lot of powerful friends and allies who want those tax cuts, many who gave to his campaigns over the years.

    I doubt Corker was EVER against tax cuts.

    But there is a right way of going about it and a wrong way.

  730. jason says:

    Nobody more than me wants tax cuts to pass.

    And I wish they would overhaul the entire system and go to a flat tax based on consumption, not income.

    Perfect world, anti-consumption leftists could pay less taxes by consuming less and saving the world, while us greedy capitalists could keep consuming and pay more taxes.

  731. Jonesy says:

    752. Agreed. hopefully the Senator will look past Trump, and help the Party that has been very good to him, even as he screwed up with Iran.

  732. Jonesy says:

    How many soldiers died looking for Bergdahl? Hope he gets many years

  733. jason says:

    On Sept 14 Corker said this:

    “Look, I’m a blunt person,” Corker said of his terse exchange with the president. “I grew up in the rough and tumble world of building buildings all around the country. I speak very frankly. The president does, too. That’s just kind of relationship we have.

    “But for people to try to act as if there is daylight between us as a result, it’s just not true.”

    Sounds like two guys with strong personalities that built a lot of buildings.

  734. Bitterlaw says:

    Serial philanderer? McCain has been married to his second wife for 38 years.

  735. Bitterlaw says:

    Serial philanderer? McCain has been married to his second wife for 38 years.

    GFY.

  736. jason says:

    even as he screwed up with Iran.”

    Sorry. Obama screwed up with Iran.

    And if it wasn’t for Corker, we would never have known how bad the “deal” was.

    Corker was the one hero in the whole Iran deal.

    Elections have consequences. Obama is responsible for the Iran deal, all Corker did was ensure it was exposed for what it was.

  737. jason says:

    “Serial philanderer? McCain has been married to his second wife for 38 years.”

    Look, when you live in your parent’s basement as a bloodsucking parasite, you don’t have access to facts very often.

    Give him a break.

  738. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump Guru thinks his service to the country compares to that of McCain? For only the 15th time in more than 13 years at HHR, I will post this;

    LOL

  739. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, Kathleen Kane and now the DEM SOS? What is going on in Penn?

  740. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – Give Trump Guru a break. McCain served years in hell as a POW. Trump Guru pays taxes. Same level of sacrifice.

  741. Jonesy says:

    Jason, 38 years or not, McCain still cheated on his wife, who took care of his kids while a POW.

    And yes, Cindy McCain is a home wrecking b^^&ch

  742. Bitterlaw says:

    Jonesy – We have some some corrupt politicians here. I’m sorry.

  743. Jonesy says:

    759. Corker a hero?

    He allowed Obama to bypass the 2/3 rule for treaties. Iran deal should have dumped in its tracks.

    Corker along with the Boeing wanted to open up the Iran market to sell planes

  744. Jonesy says:

    765. Wolfe saw nothing right? His appointee?

  745. Jonesy says:

    Corker also got some pork, when Obama promised to keep Tenn Nuke plants and bases off the close list.

  746. NYCmike says:

    “And if it wasn’t for Corker, we would never have known how bad the “deal” was.

    Corker was the one hero in the whole Iran deal.”

    -This is like Harvey Weinstein trying to get a date.

  747. NYCmike says:

    Too soon?

  748. Jonesy says:

    Mike, you have to wonder if Bubba Clinton was on the hunt with Harvey W?

  749. NYCmike says:

    Jonesy,

    Along with that guy who was accused/convicted? of pedophilia….what the heck was his name?

  750. NYCmike says:

    Jeffrey Epstein.

    BUT, his little book was supposed to bring down Trump a year ago, not Buuba, but have not heard anything since.

  751. NYCmike says:

    The Corker bill was like West Point graduating the Commie…..giving up the fight before it even started .

  752. Cash Cow TM says:

    Harvey Weinstein–before, during and after his sexual peccadilloes–is a not very physically attractive man.
    *************************************
    Someone had to say it.

  753. Bitterlaw says:

    Cash Cow – Weinstein is certainly not handsome like Walt.

  754. JC says:

    Heh.

    Imagine trying to explain this headline to someone in 2006.

    ‘Potential senate candidate Kid Rock fires back at Eminem for his Anti-President Trump freestyle rap.’

  755. jason says:

    He allowed Obama to bypass the 2/3 rule for treaties”

    It wasn’t a treaty, elections have consequences.

  756. Trump says:

    “And if it wasn’t for Corker, we would never have known how bad the “deal” was.

    Corker was the one hero in the whole Iran deal.”

    Another stupid comment from the 4th Q moron.

    If nobody would know what was in the “deal”, how would anyone execute the deal?

    Corker gave nuclear weapons and $150bn to Iran.

  757. Trump says:

    Any moron knows that every law, every treaty, every “deal”, is registered in the Federal Register.

    If it is a “secret deal”, nobody would be able to execute the provisions of the “deal”, because they would not know about it.

    Neither logic nor English is good for the bottom-feeding 4th Q scum.

  758. Trump says:

    Corker a “strong personality”?

    Ha ha ha.

    That’s why he wimped out of re-election.

  759. Trump says:

    “LOL”

    That’s the level of stupidity one expects from scum like Bitterlaw.

  760. JC says:

    Here are several construction prototypes for the wall being erected in San Diego. Trump will inspect each one before making a final decision.

    I’m actually surprised how tall they are.

    https://i.imgur.com/wLWa8hK.jpg

  761. jason says:

    Here we go …..attorneys try to set a new standard for executions. Those who profess innocence cannot be executed.

    Think I am joking?

    “Attorneys for an inmate convicted in a prison guard’s death are asking the U.S. Supreme Court to halt his scheduled execution.

    They want justices to review whether lower courts properly denied a federal civil rights lawsuit that sought additional DNA testing in Robert Pruett’s case and whether a prisoner who claims actual innocence, as Pruett does, can be put to death.”

  762. Trump says:

    Winners vs losers.

    “After Congress fails, Trump issues exec order prescribing ObamaCare workarounds

    President Trump on Thursday took executive action on health care, calling for a plan that could let employers band together and offer coverage across state lines as Congress stalls on efforts to overhaul ObamaCare.”

  763. jason says:

    If nobody would know what was in the “deal”, how would anyone execute the deal?

    We only know what was in the deal because of Corker, but because it was a “deal” and not a treaty (elections have consequences) Obama was able to do it himself.

    Corker gave nuclear weapons and $150bn to Iran.”

    Zzzzzzz….. no Senator has the power to do that, you are one dumbass moron. And nobody “gave nuclear weapons” to Iran, not even Obama.

    Release of funds? Obama did that.

    Go back to grade school and finish it.

  764. jason says:

    There will be no wall, except maybe in some urban areas.

    You read it here first.

    If Trump wants a wall, he should push for a virtual wall, with sensors, drones, satellite surveillance, etc. Cheaper and more effective.

    Physical wall along the entire border?

    Won’t happen.

  765. Bitterlaw says:

    That’s the level of stupidity one expects from scum like Bitterlaw.

    Tally the points, Jason.

  766. jason says:

    Jason – Give Trump Guru a break. McCain served years in hell as a POW. Trump Guru pays taxes. Same level of sacrifice.”

    LOL

  767. Bitterlaw says:

    If Trump wants a wall, he needs to go big or go home:

    http://vizts.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/great-wall-of-china-view.jpg

    By the way, that wall didn’t work.

  768. jason says:

    Bitter, you notice Soccer Moron is too stupid even to come up with his own insults.

    I called Roy Moore scum so he calls you scum.

    It does show he is capable of some primitive form of learning.

  769. jason says:

    Another stupid comment from the 4th Q moron.”

    You don’t get all the points.

  770. Trump says:

    Obama released funds because Corker and his Act authorized it.

    Dumbass*es like you are the scum who understand neither English nor law nor logic.

    Go check the law enabled by Corker.

  771. Mr.Vito says:

    “If a judge 100 years ago had not upheld Plessy vs. Ferguson, would he have been a “scumbag”?”

    Well, that was the logic. Jason picked my second option… that it wasnt about the law itself, but that a judge who has sworn to uphold the law cannot decide to just not parricipate in and be willing to lose his/her position without being a scumbag.

    But, no, I dont think he would think that judge was a scumbag. I think he is just being jason.

  772. Bitterlaw says:

    I think he is just being jason.

    Hmmmmm. That might be worth some points because it is a very subtle insult.

  773. NYCmike says:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-this-executive-order-is-trump%E2%80%99s-most-significant-step-yet-to-undermine-obamacare/ar-AAtms6K?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

    -Here is the MSM giving an objective, balanced analysis of Trump’s actions.*

    *Are these EO’s regarding Obamacare legal? If not, Republicans should speak out against them.

  774. NYCmike says:

    “No. Trump seems entirely uninterested in this. In fact, one of the reasons Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) and Patty Murray (D-Wash.) are trying to make these subsidies more regular is because they are concerned that Trump could suddenly stop issuing them.”

    -Mentioned: another Tennessee Senator that needs to get replaced by a stronger, more principled conservative.

  775. Cash Cow TM says:

    like Walt

    wilt lake

  776. NYCmike says:

    DCCC

  777. NYCmike says:

    Getting ahead of myself!

  778. NYCmike says:

    Go Yankees!

  779. NYCmike says:

    Also in that link – there is one Senator mentioned who is promoting the formation of Health Associations across state lines……I guess Jason would be against that idea, considering who is pushing it.

  780. NYCmike says:

    Last line of the article:

    “As of Thursday, Trump has done everything to sabotage Obamacare but that.”

    -Please remind me why it is that MD, Author, “CG”, Robbie, etc……..oh, forget it, they are so blinded w/ hate they are beyond reason.

  781. Cash Cow TM says:

    That couple who just got released from tallybahn captivity in Packinstan…captured when they were hiking in Ghannystan….

    I nominate the husband for the crap weasel of the year. Waht husband would take their wife hiking in Gannystan when she was five months pregnant…

    “…In 2009, Zaynab and Boyle married. They divorced the following year. He was already friends with Coleman, who he’d befriended on the internet as a teenager.

    In 2011, they got married and the following year, he took her backpacking in Afghanistan when she was five months pregnant – setting in motion the chain of events which would lead to their capture and release five years later.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4973772/Pakistan-says-5-Western-hostages-held-Taliban-freed.html#ixzz4vJtVLvk3
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  782. Tina says:

    I am present.

    Jamie Dupree @jamiedupree
    Chief of Staff Kelly to reporters on their stories about the White House: “Maybe develop some better sources”
    11:05 AM · Oct 12, 2017

  783. Tina says:

    ABC News Politics ? @ABCPolitics
    Kelly to White House press corps on Trump’s frustrations: “One of his frustrations is you. All of you. Not all of you. But many of you.”
    11:07 AM – Oct 12, 2017

    Unless things change, I am not quitting.

    Looks like wp, slimes, et. Al were wromg.

  784. Tina says:

    Fake news reporter

    Does trump tweeting make your job more difficult

    Kelly, No.

  785. Trump says:

    For the morons who have no idea how the Corker bill relaesed $150bn in funds to Iran:

    ” An action involving statutory sanctions relief by the United States pursuant to an agreement or the Joint Plan of Action:

    may be taken if, during the review period, Congress enacts a joint resolution stating that Congress favors the agreement;
    may not be taken if, during the review period, Congress enacts a joint resolution stating that Congress does not favor the agreement; or
    may be taken if, following the review period, there is not enacted any such joint resolution.”

    This is how Corker authorized the lifting of statutory (read “by law passed by Congress” for those having limited familiarity with English) sanctions, which included frozen funds.

    Corker authorized the payment of frozen funds to Iran, and Obama executed.

    The bottom-dwelling crap-weasels with low 4Q intelligence like jason and Bitterlaw wouldn’t know real law, it is in English.

  786. DW says:

    “Trump order could upend Obamacare

    With Republican efforts to repeal Obamacare stalled, President Donald Trump issued a new executive order on Thursday that could undermine the law without congressional action.
    The president said the executive order, which would allow small businesses to band together to buy insurance, among other changes, is a first step “to providing millions of Americans with Obamacare relief.”
    But experts cautioned that it could spike costs for some consumers and encourage more insurers to flee Obamacare’s exchanges.”

    Why would Obamacare be afraid of a little healthy competition?

  787. DW says:

    “could spike costs for some consumers”

    …is of course code-language for ‘this is a huge roadblock toward our goal of single-payer.’

  788. DW says:

    Bottom line is if people really wanted Obamacare to hang around they could have shown up to vote in battleground states to give Obama his third term. They didn’t.

  789. Mr.Vito says:

    “Hmmmmm. That might be worth some points because it is a very subtle insult.”

    Only if being jason is a subtle insult…

  790. NYCmike says:

    “Only if being jason is a subtle insult…”

    -Being mistaken for jason is a YUGE insult!

  791. Mr.Vito says:

    “…is of course code-language for ‘this is a huge roadblock toward our goal of single-payer.’”

    and code language for…

    ‘some people won’t get their free sh!t anymore’

  792. jason says:

    Why would Obamacare be afraid of a little healthy competition?”

    Exactly. Remember when Dems wanted the “public option” as competition.

    Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

  793. Mr.Vito says:

    “Being mistaken for jason is a YUGE insult!”

    For you, I guess… but I’m sure it is mutual.

  794. NYCmike says:

    Now, all of a sudden, jason is for Association plans which probably don’t include those “popular mandates”……

  795. jason says:

    hat it wasnt about the law itself, but that a judge who has sworn to uphold the law cannot decide to just not parricipate in and be willing to lose his/her position without being a scumbag.”

    Sorry.

    No free lunch.

    Scumbag.

  796. jason says:

    Now, all of a sudden, jason is for Association plans which probably don’t include those “popular mandates”

    Zzzzzzz. you are still a moron.

    Those mandates will still exist while Obamacare exists (and anything that replaces it, btw), what is being proposed are additional options.

  797. NYCmike says:

    jason, of course, does not answer “Plessy vs. Ferguson” theoretical…..

  798. jason says:

    Being mistaken for jason is a YUGE insult!”

    How do you know?

    Let’s see when (if) it ever happens…

  799. NYCmike says:

    Calling me a “moron” again!?!?

    We were doing so well!

  800. jason says:

    jason, of course, does not answer “Plessy vs. Ferguson” theoretical”

    Apples and oranges. Yeah, I would not call a lawyer in Germany who opposed a law that said you can send Jews to the gas chamber a scumbag.

    Roy Moore: yes.

    Sue me.

  801. Mr.Vito says:

    Good, so now we are all on the same page… it is not the disobedience, it’s that you believe the reason for it is not worthy enough.

    Which is what I said hours ago…

  802. jason says:

    You can have the last word on what you think I said.

  803. jason says:

    NYC to call Young a RINO in 3, 2, 1…

    “Republican Sen. Todd Young of Indiana expressed misgivings about the massive tax reform plan from President Donald Trump and GOP leaders, casting more doubts on the Republican framework in its initial stages.”

  804. jason says:

    Calling me a “moron” again!?!?”

    You are confused.

    I stopped addressing you as NYC Moron.

    I never said you weren’t a moron.

    Hope it’s clear now.

  805. jason says:

    Good, so now we are all on the same page”

    Of course, I am always happy and flattered to be on the same page with someone as smart and well informed as Mr. Vito.

  806. NYCmike says:

    Why would I call him a “RINO”?

    I would rather cut spending first.

  807. Mr.Vito says:

    “By the way, that wall didn’t work.”

    It worked pretty well actually for general border control and protection. The wall Trump wants is not to prevent conquest from an invading army, if that is what you mean by “didn’t work”.

  808. jason says:

    No wonder NYC is so excited….

    Steve Bannon’s efforts to challenge incumbent Republican senators up for re-election, save for Ted Cruz, has little to do with advancing Donald Trump’s wishes or legislative agenda (whatever that is), and everything to do with burning down the house.”

  809. jason says:

    “I would rather cut spending first.”

    Hmmmm…. I think we are making progress.

    That might get 22 votes instead of the 20 Cotton/Perdue would get.

  810. Mr.Vito says:

    Todd Young will be a yes, just like on Obamacare repeal.

  811. Mr.Vito says:

    which he would have also have had misgivings about certain points…

  812. jason says:

    “It worked pretty well actually for general border control and protection”

    That was not why it was built. It failed at what it was built for, which was to contain invading armies.

    I don’t oppose a wall. I just think a physical wall is obsolete and inefficient. They will probably have drones soon that can just transport people right over any wall. The wall can be climbed, tunnels can be dug. In urban areas a wall makes sense so people don’t walk across the street into the US.

    In rural areas, which is most of the distance, it makes more sense to have technology do the work.

    I am afraid Trump feels he is committed to the wall, when really I think people want the border contained. If that is achieved, I don’t think his supporters will insist on the wall.

  813. Mr.Vito says:

    They should just let Collins, McCain, and Murkowski write the bill… it would get 51 votes.

    48 would be Democrats…

  814. jason says:

    Fake news reporter

    Does trump tweeting make your job more difficult

    Kelly, No.”

    Just saw this. Heh.

  815. Mr.Vito says:

    “That was not why it was built. It failed at what it was built for, which was to contain invading armies.”

    It was built for multiple reasons, including to prevent raiders from attacking rural populations and agriculture, where the Chinese army was based almost entirely on infantry instead of cavalry, and to relay information and supplies quickly.

    It was effective at this.

    Similarly, a physical wall is more effective at stopping such things where a force is not easily mobilized to prevent the threat from crossing quickly and dispersing, while drones and surveillance will also alert forces to the presence of the threat.

  816. Mr.Vito says:

    That is, simply detecting a threat is useless in an area where no one can be mobilized quickly to stop it.

  817. jason says:

    Actually, since I consider Collins, McCain and Murkowski to be conservatives, why not let them write the bill?

    The reality is, it would get 0 Dem votes.

    And it would probably only get about 30 R votes.

    The problem is the caucus is so polarized between the moderates and the deadenders, nothing can pass. And before someone calls McCain a deadender for not voting for Graham/Cassidy, I already said I wish he had. I wish Rand Paul and Ted Cruz had supported it too.

    If the GOP had 56 or 57 votes, they could get something passed. With 51 (Rand Paul is not a R), its very difficult.

  818. Mr.Vito says:

    “With 51 (Rand Paul is not a R), its very difficult.”

    Agreed.

  819. Mr.Vito says:

    The more ‘wall’ there is, the more effective it will be, and the point of diminishing returns is I think where the argument lies.

  820. CG says:

    It continues to defy all facets of logic to claim that Bob Corker “gave us the Iran deal” or was responsible for the lifting of international sanctions.

    The sole American entities responsible for the Iran Deal were Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress who voted in favor of his position. Without Corker, nobody would know who they are.

  821. jason says:

    That is, simply detecting a threat is useless in an area where no one can be mobilized quickly to stop it.”

    I disagree. In the first place, most trespassers don’t cross in the most inhospitable areas, but if they did, you would also have more time to track them before they blended into an urban area.

    Obviously, you would need more beefed up patrols but not much more than a physical wall, because a physical wall without a way to capture people going over or under it is useless too.

  822. jason says:

    Dammit, now I have to agree with Corey?

    Ok, Corey is right, since he said exactly what I said.

    The person 100% responsible for the Iran deal is Obama and the voters that elected him.

  823. CG says:

    And I said that all of last year and however long NYC has espoused that ridiculous theory, which is now fully embraced by the Trumpists.

  824. Mr.Vito says:

    “…most trespassers don’t cross in the most inhospitable areas…”

    Such as areas where there are patrols and walls…

  825. NYCmike says:

    “The sole American entities responsible for the Iran Deal were Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress who voted in favor of his position.”

    -34 VOTES PASSES A BILL IN “OUR NEW AND IMPROVED REPUBLIC”!

    HAIL CORKER!

  826. NYCmike says:

    “And I said that all of last year”

    -And obviously learned nothing.

  827. Mr.Vito says:

    “…if they did, you would also have more time to track them before they blended into an urban area…”

    You don’t an urban area to disappear quickly.

  828. jason says:

    Corker is one senator out of a 100, he “gave” nothing to Iran nor was he in any way, shape or form responsible for the Iran deal.

    He did excellent work in exposing the deal for what it was, without him it would have just gone unnoticed.

    Any criticism of Corker on the Iran deal is really irrational and stupid. The guy should be commended for allowing everyone to see what was in the “deal”.

    But blame Obama for the “deal”, not Corker.

  829. NYCmike says:

    We also learned last year that Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it…..

  830. NYCmike says:

    Best thing I learned all of last year:

    Some stay home, while others go and vote.

  831. Mr.Vito says:

    “… because a physical wall without a way to capture people going over or under it is useless too.”

    which is why you need the surveillance and drones, and patrols that can be mobilized quickly… much like the more effective areas of the Great Wall had warning signals, lookouts, and garrisons stationed at intervals…

  832. jason says:

    You don’t an urban area to disappear quickly.”:

    Actually you do. You can’t disappear into brush and desert. These people are not equipped to travel long distances in inhospitable areas. Many who try die even without being bothered by the border patrol.

  833. CG says:

    Indeed we did, at least as it relates to some.

    Once again, I will offer to start a GoFundMe page and will pledge the first $50 if others will join me in raising money to send NYC to a community college near him where he can study an introductory government course and learn about the very substantial power that all American Presidents have in the realm of foreign policy.

  834. jason says:

    “Which is why you need the surveillance and drones, and patrols that can be mobilized quickly”

    If you have that you don’t need a physical wall. At most a fence with sensors, etc.

  835. jason says:

    I am not paying to get NYC educated on foreign policy. I am afraid there is no hope.

    However, I will kick in for Soccer Moron to finish grade school.

  836. Jonesy says:

    I do believe the Moderate GOP Senators want the Tax Cuts to pass, not worried about them.

    But the Democrats like McCain and Collins are another story

  837. Jonesy says:

    Rand Paul taking credit today for getting Trump to EO Insurance across state lines.

    F off Rand, you helped kill Graham Cassidy

  838. CG says:

    What a “soccer guru.” The U.S. can’t even get into the World Cup. So much “winning.”

  839. Mr.Vito says:

    If Trump decertifies/nixes the Iran deal, then it really doesn’t matter if you don’t like Corker, because the people who said it could just be undone will have been right.

    (Of course it would not be undone if Trump were not President, but Corker voted for Trump.)

    If it is held up in the court and disallowed, then the anti-Corkers will have been largely correct (although Obama likely would have just made the deal).

  840. jason says:

    NYC has trouble understanding the Iran deal was NOT a treaty.

    Should it have been a treaty? Yes. THEN it would have needed to be approved by the senate.

    Why wasn’t it a treaty? Because Obama probably knew it wouldn’t pass, so he didn’t call it a treaty.

    Republicans could have challenged his power to do so in court. They didn’t do it because they were probably advised they would lose, the President has enormous leeway in such decisions.

    Again, blame Obama and his voters for that.

    Corker is the good guy here.

  841. Jonesy says:

    Uh Oh

    Jeff Bezos of Amazon now in the Weinstein scandal crosshairs

  842. Mr.Vito says:

    “At most a fence with sensors, etc.”

    Fair enough…. I would think a tall, buried fence that can’t be easily disabled. But wall, fence, sure… we should have the tech to make it fairly strong but cost effective.

  843. jason says:

    But the Democrats like McCain and Collins are another story”

    Zzzzzz…

    I wish the Democratic caucus was comprised of “Democrats” like McCain and Collins.

  844. Jonesy says:

    I do not dislike Corker, he won a tough open seat in a bad year for the GOP(2006)

    But he got the nickname “Corker the Porker” for a reason

  845. jason says:

    I am glad I am on the same page with Mr. Vito again.

    I wish we had a 100 senators like jason and Mr. Vito.

  846. CG says:

    Who was the one calling him “Mullah Corker” a couple days ago?

    No dislike there.

  847. Jonesy says:

    870. We agree to disagree Jason.

    I guess you had no problem with McCain’s thumbs down gloating on Skinny repeal, and his hugging Schumer

  848. Mr.Vito says:

    “These people are not equipped to travel long distances in inhospitable areas. Many who try die even without being bothered by the border patrol.”

    I understand what you are saying on that. Though, from a humanitarian standpoint, I would rather the people have a stronger deterrant to not to cross if they are going to die.

    I don’t think rural is the same as inhospitable, though.

  849. CG says:

    “Corker the Porker” rhymes and all but I do not think that has been his “nickname” at all until 4:58 EST.

  850. Mr.Vito says:

    Sir Carmine says, ‘if they would rather die, then they had better do it and decrease the surplus population.’

  851. jason says:

    I do not dislike Corker, he won a tough open seat in a bad year for the GOP(2006)”

    He also won it with one of the best takedowns in political history.

    His opponent, Harold Ford, showed up uninvited at a Corker rally, trying to make a media splash.

    He approached Corker and said “are you here to to talk about my family”?

    And Corker said “No I am here to talk about YOU”.

    Ford had no comeback and looked like an ass.

    The exchange made all the news hours in TN, and Corker cruised to victory.

  852. jason says:

    Hi Tina, are you safe and sound?

  853. Tina says:

    Yes, jason. Thanks.

    I am at my sf condo near att park, sipping limoncellos.

  854. Mr.Vito says:

    “They didn’t do it because they were probably advised they would lose…”

    They probably didn’t want to have Justice Roberts decide whether it was a treaty given his decision on whether the Obamacare mandate was a tax.

    ZING!

  855. jason says:

    I guess you had no problem with McCain’s thumbs down gloating on Skinny repeal, and his hugging Schumer”

    No, I don’t have problems with Senators hugging each other.

    And I did not think the skinny repeal was a great idea anyway, it was a kick the can down the road cop out.

  856. Tina says:

    Corker did put ford in place. We nearly lost that seat due to bushs stupidity.

  857. Jonesy says:

    Va Gov

    Victoria Research

    Northam 46
    Gillespie 44

  858. Tina says:

    And the drats brilliantly went to the right on illegal immigration.

  859. jason says:

    sipping limoncellos.”

    Bravo, it IS almost cocktail hour…

    Oh wait, aren’t you 3 hours behind?

  860. Jonesy says:

    885. Reason I like corker a little bit, tina

  861. Tina says:

    Hopefully gillepsie can stun. Va has underpolled ra the last few cycles.

  862. Jonesy says:

    Tina, can you see the smoke in Napa?

  863. CG says:

    There has never been a critique of Corker on the matter that has claimed that there was anything he or anyone could have stopped Obama.

    They just somehow object to a vote showing who was in favor of it or who was opposed, as if it somehow has more credence because a vote was taken. Again, it defies all logic, since they concede the deal would have been done regardless. They just prefer to have everyone in the dark about who actually was in favor of it.

  864. Jonesy says:

    Collins to announce Friday on Gov run in Maine?

    What do want to happen here all?

  865. Tina says:

    Corker may have been a good campaigner in 2006 but he kind of sucked as senator.

  866. Tina says:

    Nope jonesy, smell it though in sf.

  867. Mr.Vito says:

    They didn’t get a vote on who was in favor of it… it was filibustered.

  868. Tina says:

    Fortunately, my condomwas not being used as a day renta and was available.

  869. CG says:

    But the stated Trumpist theory has now evolved to “Corker wanted the deal done” or that he somehow has financial ties to Iran and his motivation was to line his pockets.

    There’s not much they won’t say once Trump feels aggrieved and picks a target.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/oct/12/donald-trump/sen-bob-corker-responsible-iran-deal-donald-trump-/

  870. Tina says:

    Condo.

  871. CG says:

    Everyone knows who was in favor or not based on the vote for cloture.

  872. Tina says:

    Rwhatwver happened to ford?

    Still surpirsed that corker chose not to run again.

    Maybe tired?

  873. jason says:

    They probably didn’t want to have Justice Roberts decide whether it was a treaty given his decision on whether the Obamacare mandate was a tax.”

    Well, I doubt if that is what Roberts would decide on. I think SCOTUS would eventually rule on whether Obama had the right to do what he did, rather than “if” it was a treaty.

    In other words, could Obama call a treaty a “deal” depending on how it was worded.

    I think SCOTUS would refuse to determine rule on what constitutes a treaty, they would limit themselves to a more narrow ruling on Presidential power.

    My feeling is they would consider there is enough gray area there to rule in his favor.

    In my view, however, it is a treaty.

  874. Jonesy says:

    Collins not up until 2020? If she win gov in 2018, does she pick replacement or a special?

  875. CG says:

    Corker ran as someone in favor of term limits in 2006. I am glad he is a politician who actually sticks to his word and is limiting his own terms. A lot more of them should do it.

    I think he was considering running for Governor, but may decide it is too late to get in. He might also be thinking about running for President in 2020 now.

  876. Mr.Vito says:

    “Everyone knows who was in favor or not based on the vote for cloture.”

    No, we don’t. You pick apart every tiny semantic technicality on everyone else around here. Of course you are not going to stick by your own rules as usual, but it still needs to be pointed out.

    Why don’t you ride your high horse back on out of here, General? Your civil war is calling.

  877. Tina says:

    Muh russian news

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/12/media/dont-shoot-us-russia-pokemon-go/index.html

    Pokemon go interferred to cause the jebots candidate to lose.

  878. Jonesy says:

    Roberts was a whore for Big Insurance and Pharma, and a statist

    Why else would a strict Roman Catholic save Obamcare

  879. jason says:

    I prefer Collins to stay in the Senate since the seat will probably go DEM. I think she is the best we can get in Maine.

    I will be happy to see LePage go.

  880. Jonesy says:

    904. Come on Corey, are you that far gone these days

  881. Tina says:

    Robwrts is souter lite.

    Thank bush 41 and 43.

  882. Mr.Vito says:

    “Pokemon go interferred to cause the jebots candidate to lose.”

    Armies of tweens stormed to the polls…

  883. Tina says:

    Yeah they all run in favor f teem limits.

  884. jason says:

    “Fortunately, my condomwas not being used…”

    Huh, hmmmm… I am not touching that one….

  885. Mr.Vito says:

    “I think SCOTUS would refuse to determine rule on what constitutes a treaty…”

    It was a ZING-er.

  886. Tina says:

    This hollywood scandal is huge.

    Bezoa is accused of covering up rape.

    The other pig ruined igore chances.

    We destroy two drats without doing anything.

  887. Jonesy says:

    Tina, now Cuomo being roasted for not wanting to return Weinstein money.

    Dumb like his Father

  888. Jonesy says:

    All these dimwitted starlets like Jennifer Lawrence, calling Trump a chauvinist.

    Turns out they all hit the casting couch, and covered it up

  889. Jonesy says:

    Rose McGowan really going after Bezos on Twitter.

    I thought Anti Trust would take him down, could be wrong

  890. DW says:

    886 – hard to read VA Gov race. Might depend on how successful Trump has been so far in draining the VA side of the swamp. If enough of Obama’s ilk living there have slithered back to Chicago where they belong, then maybe Gillespie has a shot.

    Right now I am optimistically thinking Ed wins by a small margin.

  891. Bitterlaw says:

    From “Scream”. Oops. I forgot the title.

  892. Mr.Vito says:

    Is there a link to that Virginia poll?

  893. DW says:

    Here is something I posted about 10 months ago, but it was based on incomplete info. Now its solid data and very revealing of the bias and lack of preparedness of the media on election night 2016. Each network had their pre-plan on which states ‘should’ be in play and which ones they should call when the polls closed. Obviously some states have strange behavior which affects the speed of counting. OR is all mail-in. NH precincts chisel the results on stone tablets and deliver them to county seats by mule-drawn wagons. But given these local variations, you can see the bias and absurdities.

    For instance, on average it took 1 hour, 51 minutes for the networks to call MO for Trump, even though the final margin was 18.51! Compare that to DE with the final margin of 11.31 and it was called instantly by all of them.

    Arkansas was even worse. The margin of victory for Trump was a whopping 26.92–larger than Maryland or Vermont(!) for Clinton–and yet it took them, on average, 35 minutes to call Arkansas.

    It’s not just harmless bias. Imagine the shock and awe if they said at 8 pm that Delaware was ‘too close to call’?

    Also compare CO to GA below to see the pre-show prep bias in what they thought would happen.

    ST | elapsed| margin of victory

    MI | 6:00+ | 0.22
    NH | 7:00+ | 0.37
    PA | 6:40 | 0.71
    WI | 5:14 | 0.77
    FL | 3:28 | 1.19
    MN | 6:00+ | 1.51
    NV | 2:32 | 2.42
    ME | 5:50 | 2.96
    AZ | 5:42 | 3.5
    NC | 2:33 | 3.66
    CO | 1:38 | 4.91
    GA | 4:44 | 5.09
    VA | 2:35 | 5.32
    OH | 3:00 | 8.07
    NM | 1:11 | 8.22
    TX | 0:04 | 8.98
    IA | 1:38 | 9.41
    OR | 0:14 | 10.98
    DE | 0:00 | 11.38
    CT | 1:09 | 13.64
    NJ | 0:00 | 13.99
    RI | 0:02 | 15.51
    SC | 1:04 | 14.27
    AK | 1:37 | 14.73
    WA | 0:21 | 15.71
    IL | 0:01 | 16.88
    MS | 0:02 | 17.8
    UT | 1:46 | 17.88
    MO | 1:51 | 18.51
    IN | 0:00 | 19.01
    LA | 0:33 | 19.64
    MT | 0:00 | 20.24
    KS | 0:00 | 20.42
    NY | 0:00 | 22.49
    NE | 0:00 | 25.05
    TN | 0:03 | 26
    VT | 0:00 | 26.41
    MD | 0:00 | 26.42
    AR | 0:35 | 26.92
    MA | 0:00 | 27.2
    AL | 0:32 | 27.72
    SD | 0:00 | 29.79
    KY | 0:00 | 29.84
    CA | 0:00 | 29.99
    ID | 0:00 | 31.77
    HI | 0:00 | 32.18
    ND | 0:00 | 35.73
    OK | 0:00 | 36.39
    WV | 0:00 | 41.67
    WY | 0:00 | 46.29

    + these states were never called on election night, and so the time given is from polls closing until 3 am EDT, roughly the time the media stopped analyzing and started watching Trump’s speech.

  894. DW says:

    AZ compared to NV is another example of the bias.

  895. DW says:

    925 that would be something if they found govt officials selling the stuff on the black market.

  896. DW says:

    and look at VA compared to OH. Too much longer to call OH for Trump even though the margin of victory was substantially larger.

  897. DW says:

    UT was another crazy one. Right from the start Trump was getting 50% and McMuffin and Hillary were splitting the other 50 pretty evenly. It doesn’t take a doctorate in Mathematics to see that neither of the losers would be able to mount a comeback to overtake Trump’s number. Still they waited on average 1 hour and 46 minutes to call UT.

  898. DW says:

    Alabama took 32 minutes to call, even though the margin of victory was greater than that of Massachusetts.

  899. DW says:

    Bottom line, the media show prep that night ‘knew’ Hillary would win and flip red states in the process. They got caught. The list above is the evidence.

  900. Bitterlaw says:

    The 2016 Election will never die. At least not for DW. Time to get cable, my friend. Start watching some new shows.

  901. BayernFan says:

    Whenever I’m down in the dumps I just watch that election night coverage and perk right up!!

  902. BayernFan says:

    Also reading this board’s posts that night.

  903. Bitterlaw says:

    Tonight, I will express my freedom to watch the Eagles-Panthers game. E-A-G-L-E-S…..Eagles!

  904. Tina says:

    Dw, there are reports of a lot of corruption in pr regarding those supplies.

  905. Mr.Vito says:

    http://freebeacon.com/culture/clinton-aides-gang-boyfriend-harvey-weinstein-accuser/

    They liked him better when he said he would serve Trump poison.

  906. GPO says:

    BayernFan says:
    October 12, 2017 at 7:10 pm
    Whenever I’m down in the dumps I just watch that election night coverage and perk right up!!

    lol- I’ve done that a few times myself

  907. GPO says:

    I listened to Rand Paul today on Hannity. I thought the most interesting tidbit was his comment on the Supreme Court. I don’t want to put words in his mouth by misquoting him, but he was saying that he’s pretty sure there will be one or two more retirements on the Supreme Court. He didn’t say it in the usual there are rumors that Kennedy may retire, but said it rather definitively.

  908. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Fortunately, my condomwas not being used as a day renta and was available.”
    _____________________________
    word spell check on aisle 4….

  909. DW says:

    932 – it is true I don’t have cable. I don’t have time to watch it so it would be a waste of money. Its not about not letting the election die, it is more about analyzing and becoming knowledgeable for next time and future elections.

    The other reason I started posting again about this is we are coming up on the anniversary.

    I could talk about the 500th anniversary of the Reformation if you wish. This Oct 31st marks the 500th year since Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to the Wittenberg Chapel door.

  910. Bitterlaw says:

    True. You are still my Favorite Evangelical.

  911. DW says:

    Furthermore, has anyone else on the internet taken the pains to calculate the average amount of time expired between poll closings and when networks called a winner? For all 50 states?

  912. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL fast forward to 2021. A Dem president with Dem majorities and DW will still be jizzing over the 2016 election night TV coverage LOL.. at least you’ll always have that, sport!

    WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHHHHH

  913. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON

    WORST TROLL EVAH!!!!

  914. jason says:

    “A Dem president”

    Wasn’t that supposed to happen in 2016?

    AZ is a done deal, we are fighting for Texas?

  915. jason says:

    I listened to Rand Paul today on Hannity.”

    I admire anyone who has the stomach to listen to Rand Paul.

  916. jason says:

    Rooting for the Eagles here, but that was an easy catch for a first down, paid to catch those.

  917. NYCmike says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejE-niSpx_U

    -Between this link, and the link above that Tina posted about the Iran deal facilitated by Corkers’s actions, “CG” and Robbie could learn a lot. (jason as well)

    Of course, I would expect all 3 to ignore, ignore, ignore.

  918. jason says:

    The most ridiculous failure to call was Georgia.

    Trump had about a 400k lead with most of the vote counted and NBC was showing it too close to call.

  919. jason says:

    Iran deal facilitated by Corkers’s actions”:

    Goebbels would be proud!

  920. jason says:

    At least now NYC admits the Iran deal was a “deal”, not a treaty.

    The truth will set you free.

    Nobody was more opposed to it than Corker.

  921. Bitterlaw says:

    Eagles win 28-23! Suck it, Michael.

  922. Bitterlaw says:

    Wait. I unintentionally earned gayest post of the day.

  923. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – I don’t complain about refs but they were horrible tonight. Eagles were screwed on calls all night.

  924. Mr.Vito says:

    Well, that was a bizarre baseball game.

  925. Tina says:

    Google “CNN,175,Sue” @NolteNC
    ·
    4m
    Isn’t @joenbc a little too leftwing to be an Independent?

    Remember, he’s pro gun control, wants taxes increased & loves ObamaCare.

    Pro Iran deal too?

    He sounds like a real con.

  926. Tina says:

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2017/10/12/gen-kelly-tells-media-get-better-sources-astounding-me-how-much

    Jebots need to learn not to believe the fake news. So many stories cited here by the jebots, and all wrong.

  927. NYCmike says:

    Tina, the link I posted just above is the press conference. No-nonsense guy that Kelly. I thought the best part was when he had to explain tweet about the military and FEMA getting out of Puerto Rico.

  928. Bitterlaw says:

    Eagles are 5-1. Good thing I did not boycott the season.

  929. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Susan Collins(RINO-ME) has decided to NOT run for Governor and remain as a Senator.
    I have my doubts that if she remained a Maine Republican and not become an Independent, she could have prevailed in a GOP primary because of her recent Senate votes and big mouth.

  930. Phil says:

    Texans are 2-3 and JJ Watt out for the season. My boycott decision confirmed and made just that much easier.

  931. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – The AFC is down this year. 2-3 is still viable.

  932. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – Do you think that your boycott is accomplishing anything or does it just make you feel better? I respect t your decision but I refuse to let malcontent athletes take away one of the few things I enjoy.

  933. Phil says:

    Bitter, it won’t accomplish much of anything to be sure as an individual – and yes, I guess it does make me a bit better. ….plus I readily admit i’m A big college football fan anyway. If it was a matter of boycotting Saturday college football it would be much more of a sacrifice.

  934. Phil says:

    Feel a bit better

  935. Bitterlaw says:

    Fair enough, Phil. I prefer the NFL to college. The only college football games I watch are Lafayette, Temple, and Villanova (which a Southerner would not even consider college football).

    I hope you and your wife are doing as well as possible.

  936. DW says:

    Nationals choke again. Good.

  937. Phil says:

    i just wish this taking a knee stuff had never happened in the first place. Sports used to be a place you could go to get away from all the political turmoil. I resent the fact that the left just won’t let us get away from it. They have to cram it down our throat – on the field, the late night talk shows, The View, lectures from the Hollywood left……it never ends. I thought sports was the one area that we could get away from it – now, they’ve taken that one away from us too. It never ends. It’s like, you will listen to our view of America whether you like it or not. Screw that.

  938. Phil says:

    I just want to watch football and follow my team on the field.

  939. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    This has been a big week,both baseball-wise(Yankees, Dodgers and Cubs) and politically as identified below:

    1- US says adios to the anti-West UNESCO
    2-The Iran Nuclear Agreement gets somewhat neutered and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard gets whacked
    3- ObamaCare sustains two big blows against it. Here is one of them,where the news broke overnight:

    Trump Throws Another Blow at Obamacare, Reportedly Scrapping Obamacare Insurer Subsidy Payments

    Trump Throws Another Blow at Obamacare, Reportedly Scrapping Obamacare Insu…
    So long, Obamacare?

    4- Political correctness bows to USA traditionalists in the NFL kerfuffle
    5- Useless gun control measures lose steam in Congress
    6- The DACA Agreement goes on life support
    7- Funding of Democrats takes a hit with SCOTUS agreeing to hear the Janus case about public sector unions’ dues and the Weinstein/ Hollywood perversions

    Please add to my list. I know there is more.

  940. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    2018 Social Security Benefits will rise by 2% with the COLA.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/social-security-benefits-rise-2-132904751.html

  941. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Just In:

    Consumer sentiment at highest since ‘the start of 2004’

  942. Phil says:

    Sheeple, don’t forget my Astros.

  943. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Phil
    The Astros had the best nickname when the team first received its franchise in the early 1960’s—HOUSTON COLT 45’s.
    I like the three teams I mentioned. I am agnostic about the Astros,but they are the best team in MLB this year and should easily dispatch the Yankees.

  944. Phil says:

    I don’t know, Sheeple. Yankees sweeping three straight with their backs against the wall against a team that was unbeatable for the last two months of the season is pretty darned impressive.

  945. Bitterlaw says:

    The players’ antics annoyed me but I would have just ignored them. Turning them into activists gave them too much credit.

  946. Cash Cow TM says:

    Listened to the last 3 innings of the Nationals/Cubs game–while reading recaps of the first 6 innings.

    THAT WAS THE MOST BIZARRE BASEBALL GAME EVAH!

    Cash Cow and Walt are in the dumps.
    **********************************
    Speaking of dumps, my intestines are feeling the urge…

  947. Cash Cow TM says:

    “DW says:
    October 13, 2017 at 9:24 am
    Nationals choke again. Good.”
    ********************************

    Bitter,

    If you are doing the seating for the next HHR prom, I do not want to sit at the same table with DW.

  948. Cash Cow TM says:

    Walt is doing cartwheels since he read that his Social Security checks will go up by 2%…

  949. jason says:

    For Proud ObamaCON, just because its sure to irritate him…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI4WiLJzb5k

  950. Cash Cow TM says:

    “players’ antics”

    placate R sins

  951. Phil says:

    At A&M we have always had the national anthem before the two teams come out on the field so no chance of player nonsense even if a player wanted it. Of course, if any player did so at A&M, they would lose their scholarship and be tossed out on their ass. Aggie donors would insist on it.

    Missouri players tried that kind of crap two years ago and their athletic budget still hasn’t recovered.

  952. jason says:

    I think SS payments should be cut off after 100 years.

  953. jason says:

    Susan Collins(RINO-ME) has decided to NOT run for Governor and remain as a Senator”

    Wow, what a blow to the deadenders.

    They were salivating at the chance to deliver the seat to a liberal Dem.

  954. Phil says:

    Jason,
    yep, that’s exactly what would have happened too. We’ve seen that movie over and over.

  955. jason says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 13, 2017 at 12:24 am

    Eagles win 28-23! Suck it, Michael.
    Bitterlaw says:
    October 13, 2017 at 12:25 am

    Wait. I unintentionally earned gayest post of the day.”

    An obvious attempt to render me obsolete and irrelevant.

    Won’t work……

    And btw, nobody ever intentionally earns gayest post of the day unless you are gay in which case its not gayest post of the day.

  956. New York City says:

    We’ve seen that movie over and over.”

    I know, but why does it always have the same ending?

  957. New York City says:

    Phil, I am still watching games free on TV but no longer buying them. I also used to gift Bronco st-ff to my kids, that won’t be happening anymore.

    So not really a boycott, still contributing to ratings, but if millions more are doing the same they will taking a hit.

  958. jason says:

    Phil, I am doing the same as New York City.

  959. DW says:

    Cash Cow–sorry about the Nationals, but with everything politicized now, including sports, I have to root against the teams from the most liberal area, so these liberals will have less in life to enjoy because their teams lost.

    Its why I am rooting for the Houston Astros from here on out–the only team left from a red state.

  960. DW says:

    The question came up a few days ago about whether or not the Clinton campaign asked the media to hold off on making calls of states.

    If you watch the CNN coverage, they admit this. Both Dana Bash and John King had direct contacts from the Clinton team. John King repeatedly said that the Cliton team has told them that Milwaukee precincts will rescue WI, Philly would rescue PA, and Detroit will rescue MI. So its clear that is why they held out. King knew this was a farce–but they weren’t going to call these states anyway.

  961. Bitterlaw says:

    DW – Is there any fun in your world? If the Eagles ever win the Super Bowl, I don’t care if the parade is lead by Hillary with BLM and Planned Parenthood right behind.

    Separation of Sports and State!

  962. DW says:

    997 – I understand. In principle I can agree with the separation of sports and state. But the NFL doesn’t agree with your policy, so it is what it is.

  963. Robbie says:

    President Moron, everyone.

    Philip Lewis?
    @Phil_Lewis
    2 hours ago

    Trump: “I met with the president of the Virgin Islands.”

    Uh. Trump is the president of the Virgin Islands.

  964. DW says:

    Its ok Robbie, Obama thought there were 57 states.

  965. Mr.Vito says:

    Wow. It’s over for Trump now.

  966. Mr.Vito says:

    He just scrapped the Iran deal and put a dent in Obamacare, but he called the leader in the Virgin islands the wrong name and needs to go.

    SEND THAT MESSAGE!

  967. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    932. “The 2016 Election will never die. At least not for DW. Time to get cable, my friend. Start watching some new shows.”

    Actually the 2016 election returns showed what was said on the news shows was pretty worthless.

  968. Mr.Vito says:

    Las Vegas security guard Jesus Campos disappears moments before TV interviews

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/13/las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-disappears-moments-before-tv-interviews.html

    This is getting ridiculous.

  969. Phil says:

    No one cares, Robbie. Get back to some of your really important MSM issues – like the shoes the first lady id wearing from the WH to the plane.

    Keep us all in the loop.

  970. DW says:

    1003 – another angle–it was clear on CNN especially, and to a lesser extent on some of the others that they were going to cover this as a congressional election. CNN hyped how they were going to track the Democrat takeover of the senate all throughout the evening–including the fate of those senators who ran for re-election but didn’t run from Trump. They provided this senate coverage for the first hour, but then when the wheels fell of the Clinton Coronation parade, then they never spoke of the senate again. Long after the races were over the analysts made a few comments about how the GOP was going to control prez, house and senate. But they never even showed who won and who lost.

  971. Cash Cow TM says:

    ALL THE THINGS YOU ALL ARE ARGUING ABOUT MEAN NOTHING!

    DON’T YOU KNOW THAT AN ASTEROID IS GOING TO CRASH INTO THE EARTH?

  972. jason says:

    Wow, Wobbie really “got” Trump there.

    My goodness, he probably meant governor, but horrors, what a scandal!

    Virgingate?

  973. Bill Clinton says:

    Virgingate? Where do I sign up?

  974. DW says:

    Van Jones on CNN was among the most unhinged on election night. He call the election results a ‘white-lash’ against a black president. He said blanks, Hispanics and Muslims are all now fearing for their lives. He blamed Trump’s rhetoric for violence against blacks.

  975. DW says:

    NASA confirms — Sea levels FALLING across planet…

    Link at DRUDGE. Climate loons hardest hit.

  976. jason says:

    Wobbie is just outraged with President of the Virgin Isles, thinks Jeb Bush saying he “would respect conservatives” was a great idea.

  977. jason says:

    As of last week, the 2017-2018 NFL season is down almost 8% in viewers from the same Week 5 point in the 2016-2017 season.”

    Good. Ad revenue depends on viewership.

    Sooner or later lower revenues will impact player salaries.

    But its all for the cause!

  978. Wobbles says:

    Trump: “I met with the president of the Virgin Islands.”

    Uh. Trump is the president of the Virgin Islands.”

    Some people are calling for a special prosecutor.

    Not me, I am just relaying what I have read, but there are sources saying this is very serious.

  979. Wobbles says:

    He just scrapped the Iran deal and put a dent in Obamacare..”

    Did you see his tweet on Mika’s face?

  980. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – It may not all be due to the protests. Something else is at work. The Bills, Jets and Patriots are tied for first place in the AFC East. The Jaguars in first place in the AFC South. The Eagles have a 2 1/2 game lead in the NFC East six games into the season.

    Sir Carmine is running the NFL.

  981. SirCarmine says:

    Contracts recently expired on a lot of soul selling in the NFL.

  982. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    http://www.snopes.com/nasa-data-global-warming/

    Quickly and easily disproven nonsense. Sea levels as a whole have been rising for decades now significantly with some minor short term variations which is normal in the course of a few years.

    God, how can you be so f*cking stupid to automatically believe stuff you already believe in?

    Brain dead “conservatives” are so amusingly dense.

  983. Jonesy says:

    Robbie has been so discredited here at HHR, that he now just does a single drive by anti trump post, and then slithers away.

  984. Jonesy says:

    989. Collins has been pretty good on Judges, and she is not up until 2020. One less worry for the GOP, but she has to be counted on as a NO vote on any social Issue legislation.

    Will she vote for Tax Cuts?

  985. Jonesy says:

    Pass the Popcorn

    George Clooney being called a racist and P grabber, by a Actress on “ER”.

    Hypocritical Scumbag

  986. DW says:

    Bitter, I don’t follow the NFL but checking the standings you are probably on to something here. Look at the biggest market teams:

    New York Giants: 0-5. They stink.
    New York Jets: 3-2. Decent team but not great.
    Chicago Bears: 1-4. They stink.
    Los Angeles Chargers: 1-4. Not only do they stink. They weren’t even wanted in LA.
    Los Angeles Rams: 3-2. They are OK, but not a big draw anyway.
    Arizona Cardinals: 2-3. Meh.
    Houston Texans: 2-3. Meh.

    49rs are not the biggest market, but still large fan base and they stink at 0-5.

    So some of what is going on could just be people not excited to tune in to watch the team go from 0-5 to 0-6. Or turning it off at halftime when it appears another loss is happening.

  987. Mr.Vito says:

    In scientific terms, a millenium is a short-term variation.

  988. DW says:

    1018 – And look how intelligent you must be to believe all the nonsense pushed by the left. Long before the invention of the internal combustion engine there have been long cycles of warming, cooling and so forth. Al Gore suggested well over 15 years ago that we would be toast by now until we acted. Well we didn’t act like he wanted and we are not toast.

    So many things in nature happen that are so far beyond man’s poor ability to add or detract. The volcano under Yellowstone could erupt and redraw the maps of huge areas and pollute the air far beyond man’s ability to pollute.

    It is incredible hubris on the part of pointy-headed intellectuals to think that somehow man is more powerful than the incredible forces in nature over which we have no control.

  989. DW says:

    Vito, like I said, I don’t follow the NFL. Is it also possible the games just aren’t as good this year? I do have one friend who followed NFL faithfully who quit cold-turkey when they started disrespecting the country.

  990. Mr.Vito says:

    Nature is just pissed that it hasn’t been able to take us out yet.

  991. Mr.Vito says:

    DW, I think it is a combination of thug and drug scandals, disrespect, CTE, lower TV viewership in general, and the anthem thing just was the last straw for some.

  992. Wes says:

    In 1883, Krakatoa exploded and released more pollution into the air than Man has in his entire history. We survived. That’s why I ignore the global warming alarmism of the Left.

  993. Mr.Vito says:

    Corker and Cotton are reportedly working on doing something with the Iran deal. Cotton was the one vote against the Corker agreement if I recall correctly.

  994. DW says:

    Wes, if only these people…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eruption_of_Mount_Vesuvius_in_79

    …had just cut back on their carbon footprint they could have lived.

  995. Jonesy says:

    F Iran. Corker needs to work on voting for the GOP Tax cuts.

  996. Jonesy says:

    2 Weeks of no Judges confirmed and Colonel Klink McCain of whispering he will not vote for Tax Cuts, and the Senate is worried about Iran.

    Let Europe and Israeli’s figure that crap out

  997. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Interesting that, despite his claims that sea levels are rising, only a couple of months ago it was rumored that Obama was about to buy sea front property on Martha’s Vinyard.

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/20473/global-warming-lol-obamas-eye-spending-big-money-james-barrett

    Al Gore, the climate crusader himself, bought sea front property near Santa Barbara. Here is a quote from an excellent blog post regarding claims of sea level rise:

    “I live near the shore and moor my boat in a well-known antique, historic harbor. I have lived here all my life. At no time have the ordinary borders of this harbor changed, nor the water risen beyond historic levels, except in times like Hurricane Sandy when wind, tidal currents, and surge coincided to raise the levels beyond those of a normal high tide. There are some houses 200 years old sitting on the banks of this harbor. In the same place. 25 miles down the line, they’re building hi-rise condos as fast as they can right down to the water’s edge. When I see THAT deemed inadvisable (multi-million dollar investments), then I MIGHT start to believe in “sea level rise.” But I’m one of those oddballs who accepts personal observation of the obvious over the hair-splitting pontifications of “experts.’ ”

  998. Mr.Vito says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/13/hillary-clinton-calls-trump-sexual-assaulter-in-bbc-interview-but-says-bills-behavior-in-past.html

    Keep talking, Hillary…

    Remember what Powell said… she screws up everything she touches with her hubris.

  999. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Speaking about “climate change,” breeding for a colony of penguins was bad because it was too cold, and there was too much ice.

    “A colony of more than 36,000 Adelie penguins in Antarctica suffered a catastrophic breeding season with just two chicks surviving, experts have said. Extensive sea ice and a drop in temperature caused chicks to freeze to death. The disaster for the colony in Terre Adelie in East Antarctica was down to unusually extensive sea ice late in the summer – despite low ice early in the season – which meant penguins had to travel further for food and the chicks starved. —The Daily Telegraph, 14 October 2017”

    Believe the theory behind the claim that sea levels are rising is that Antarctic ice is melting because of warmer temperatures.

  1000. Tina says:

    Corker is offended.

  1001. jason says:

    According to Hillary, Bill only assaulted women in the late 90’s, and Trump Access Hollywood locker talk was in 2005.

  1002. jason says:

    Corker and Cotton are reportedly working on doing something with the Iran deal”

    I am sure NYC will support it at least 50% as much as supported Cotton/Perdue.

  1003. Jody Beaumont says:

    Apparently Fox Business News is reporting that Larry Flynt of Penthouse is offering ten million dollars to anyone who has “dirt” on our current President. Larry outed Newt’s affair after he complained about Bill Clinton and Monica. I doubt, however, that there are any Russians out there that would release any information for a mere ten million.

  1004. Mr.Vito says:

    Apparently there are people who think Democrats haven’t already offered 10 million dollars for dirt on Trump.

  1005. Bitterlaw says:

    President Trump is a creepy dirtbag. Pay up, Larry. You can find me to arrange payment.

  1006. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m off to participate in a charity walk. The event is organized to remember a man who died from a brain tumor. I coached 3 of his daughters in softball. It is based on the theme of “live life to the fullest.” It is not exactly my motto but 50 people are wearing shirts to support our friend who just had a double mastectomy.

    The organizer is the man’s widow. She has a boyfriend now. I wonder how he feels going to an event honoring her dead husband.

  1007. Wes says:

    Congratulations on participation in the walk, Bitter.

  1008. Wes says:

    Yet Trump will still probably lose the Jewish vote by a 3-1 margin:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/12/us-withdraw-unesco-december-united-nations

  1009. DW says:

    1038 – don’t forget it was a few years ago when a whole ship full of climate fools was in Antarctic waters to document the warming and instead their ship got trapped in ice, and then their rescue ship also got trapped.

  1010. Jonesy says:

    Sadly Yes, Wes.

  1011. jason says:

    Due to the circumstances, I have asked the A-hole Club Executive Committee to award Bitter a special A-hole 5-hour exemption so he can participate in the charity walk.

  1012. jason says:

    Larry, a friend of my cousin’s wife’s half sister once took a Uber ride where the driver told her he once had a customer who told him his son’s college roommate’s aunt’s housekeeper had heard from one of her customer’s that a co-worker was harassed by Trump in 1991.

    Do you need my bank account number for the deposit?

  1013. Jonesy says:

    Flynt is still alive?

  1014. Mr.Vito says:

    Only on the outside…

  1015. Tima says:

    Rinocrat under obumbler, iran deal has no go.

    Rinocrat under trump, iran deal has to stay.

  1016. Jonesy says:

    Pence to be in Va for Gillespie next week. Good News

  1017. Mr.Vito says:

    Pence/Trump are like good cop/bad cop…

  1018. Jonesy says:

    Really pissed off when I found out Senate is only working 2 1/2 days a week. Do they want to confirm Judges or not?

    Darn Swamp

  1019. Tina says:

    Bannon squashes 30 percent chance at reelection.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/bannon-squashes-trump-30-chance-completing-term-fake-news-predicts-massive-2020-victory-video/

    It seems like we retain all 2016 states pkus get Nh, and Mn.

  1020. Tina says:

    400 Evs for trump in 2020.

    Jebots triggered.

  1021. Tina says:

    Evs, per Bannon, value boter summit.

  1022. jason says:

    Did you see the video of the scumbag* who crashed his car on the Gowanus Fwy and then calmly hails a cab and drives off while his date burns to death?

    * subject to Mr. Vito approval

  1023. jason says:

    Driver identified as Saeed Ahmed, 23…

    “Ahmed is now charged with manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, leaving the scene of an accident, aggravated unlicensed operator and speeding.”

    Might get probation, lawyer will claim he had a difficult childhood.

  1024. lisab says:

    trump has a very good chance to win in 2020

    first, because incumbents get a small boost to win just by being an incumbent — say 3% to 5% boost

    “but … but … he has not built the wall/repealed obamacare/given tax cuts”

    second, he has tried and the gop congress has failed. no one i know has wavered in their trum support. i live in trump country … people STILL have trump signs up. i have never seen people have trump signs up this long after an election.

    “but … but … hillary was a terrible candidate”

    third, you dems just got through telling me how she was the best candidate evah in the history of the universe … but let’s set that aside …

    the dems thought that hillary would get in and then squash the far left until the next election … and they were probably correct. but now the far left is on the loose and taking down people like harvey weinstein. this is only the beginning. the next dem candidate will either be far far left, leaving trump from center-left to extreme right or … a centrist that is being attacked on the left by many leftists groups.

    biden was the strongest candidate i think the dems could muster, but he is too old and not nearly openly leftist enough

    plus, what can he say, “trump stopped giving nk nukes and iran piles of cash like when i was in office?”

    the dems have a huge middle america problem.

    unless the economy tanks, and/or the dems can find a formidable candidate, i think trump has a better than 50% chance of winning.

    (oprah could seriously be a threat, i.e. woman, black, charasmatic, possibly gay — she has a lot of boxes checked. a female obama)

  1025. Mr.Vito says:

    “Did you see the video of the scumbag* who crashed his car on the Gowanus Fwy and then calmly hails a cab and drives off while his date burns to death?

    * subject to Mr. Vito approval”

    Fake news: I did not approve nor disapprove. I got to the truth, which is that your assessment of “scumbag” was not based on breaking a law, but the worthiness of such.

    Similarly, you have decided this person’s reasons are not worthy. (On the other hand if this person crashed his car into a kidnapper, and drove the victim off in a cab while the kidnapper burned to death you would probably not call him a scumbag.)

    We can continue doing this if you think it is a winner for you.

  1026. Trump says:

    “Mr.Vito says:
    October 14, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    Pence/Trump are like good cop/bad cop…”

    Doesn’t work, Pence doesn’t come across as a credible bad cop.

  1027. Trump says:

    “Jonesy says:
    October 14, 2017 at 12:09 pm

    Really pissed off when I found out Senate is only working 2 1/2 days a week.”

    You must have a very flexible definition of “work”.

  1028. Trump says:

    “…unless the economy tanks…”

    Words to live by.

    Cruising to re-election.

    In addition to holding all the states, Trump wil win VA, NH, and MN.

  1029. Mr.Vito says:

    “Doesn’t work, Pence doesn’t come across as a credible bad cop.”

    Works great, actually… it’s why Trump burned the house down and then sent Pence out to tell the GOP to come home.

  1030. Mr.Vito says:

    “biden was the strongest candidate i think the dems could muster, but he is too old and not nearly openly leftist enough”

    yeah… I think Biden being in would not have prevented the Sanders insurgence, and Biden mwould not have had the same sentiment (cough, cough, strongarmed rigging) behind him.

  1031. Trump says:

    Actually, he sent Pence to tell the GOP to fu ck off.

  1032. Mr.Vito says:

    “unless the economy tanks, and/or the dems can find a formidable candidate, i think trump has a better than 50% chance of winning. ”

    or if something goes badly wrong in Iran or North Korea and it can be successfully blamed on Trump instead of the previous administrations’ ineptitudes…

  1033. Mr.Vito says:

    “Actually, he sent Pence to tell the GOP to fu ck off.”

    Well, then, Pence didn’t listen.

  1034. Mr.Vito says:

    Like a good cop playing good cop/bad cop….

  1035. Trump says:

    Pence listened, he’s just not good.

  1036. Trump says:

    I mean, just not a good bad cop.

  1037. Mr.Vito says:

    “oprah could seriously be a threat, i.e. woman, black, charasmatic, possibly gay…”

    with experience in business and Hollywood…

    Does she have any ties to Weinstein?

  1038. lisab says:

    my worry is that the dems are off the rails … and we are just beginning to see just how far off the rails they are

    not standing for the anthem?

    black lives matter?

    antifa?

    illegal immigrants?

    especially illegal muslim immigrants?

    they are not exactly winning middle america

  1039. Trump says:

    Trump needs a good wing man. Someone like Kid Rock as VP.

  1040. jason says:

    I am only worried if they win.

  1041. jason says:

    We can continue doing this if you think it is a winner for you.”

    It was a supposed to be a joke…

  1042. jason says:

    Soccer Moron doesn’t like Pence because he is an actual conservative.

  1043. Mr.Vito says:

    1082 Okay. My bad.

  1044. jason says:

    In addition to holding all the states, Trump wil win VA, NH, and MN.”

    If he wins those, CO and ME will be in play too.

  1045. jason says:

    No problem. You can have 2 last words.

  1046. Mr.Vito says:

    “You can have 2 last words.”

    Hillary s*cks.

  1047. jason says:

    However, I don’t believe in any rosy scenarios for Trump in 2020 in the same way I don’t believe in Armageddon for him either.

    But if in 2020 his approval rating is anywhere near 50% he will surely win.

  1048. Mr.Vito says:

    “If he wins those, CO and ME will be in play too.”

    And NM, I think.

  1049. Trump says:

    jason the pimp loves incompetent boobs who are good at curling up and dying.

  1050. jason says:

    I saw I gave you that opening the minute I posted it….I was just wondering what they would be.

  1051. lisab says:

    did you see how trump, who is basically secular, came out in favour of christmas?

    naturally dems are in an uproar all over social media

  1052. Mr.Vito says:

    Jane Fonda knew about Weinstein last year and stayed quiet.

    What was going on last year, again?

  1053. jason says:

    “jason the pimp loves incompetent boobs who are good at curling up and dying.”

    Thankfully, Pence is not an A-hole, or he would have cornered the points for the month.

  1054. jason says:

    Yeah, definitely NM.

  1055. Trump says:

    Pence is the VP, same effect as a cold bucket of spit.

  1056. jason says:

    And if he wins all of those, OR could be in play.

    And if he wins OR, might have a shot at Delaware.

  1057. Trump says:

    Pence’s most significant contribution will be attending McCain’s funeral.

  1058. lisab says:

    it is not that trump will be especially loved by the right — many will still hate him

    it is that the dems are sooooooooo anti-white middle class and working class men.

  1059. Mr.Vito says:

    Of course, we already knew Fonda had no qualms about running interference for an enemy.

  1060. Trump says:

    Now you are reaching Steve Kornacki la-la land.

  1061. jason says:

    Wow, Soccer Moron has a vague notion of history.

    But it was warm bucket.

  1062. Trump says:

    It used to be warm at some point.

  1063. Phil says:

    Horrible news!!

    Joe Scarborough has officially left the Republican Party.

    I’m crushed.

    The guy hasn’t been a Republican since he sold his soul to MSNBC.

    0h wait. The man has no soul.

    Never mind.

  1064. jason says:

    ence’s most significant contribution will be attending McCain’s funeral.”

    Maybe not the most significant contribution, but maybe greatest honor.

  1065. Trump says:

    jason, Joe S, MD, Author….

    the rubes self-identify.

  1066. SirCarmine says:

    The boss got Scarborough’s soul around the time the intern ended up dead in his office.

  1067. SirCarmine says:

    The boss still owes me overtime from that mess.

  1068. jason says:

    So if Trump wins Delaware, I think he as a shot at New Jersey.

    And having bagged New Jersey, you never know, Rhode Island could be ripe for the pickings.

  1069. Mr.Vito says:

    I think CT goes before any of those.

  1070. jason says:

    jason, Joe S, MD, Author….”

    Ok, now look who has cornered the points.

  1071. jason says:

    I remember when CT was very competitive for Rs.

    Am I that old?

  1072. jason says:

    Maryland elected an R governor. So did MA and VT.

    This could be a 50 state sweep.

    Bernie will probably carry VT however, make it 49.

  1073. jason says:

    I am giving DC to the Dems too, sue me.

  1074. Mr.Vito says:

    I think Trump could cause world peace and still lose DC and CA.

  1075. Mr.Vito says:

    Looks like the lowest percent Trump got in a state, was HI, actually.

  1076. Mr.Vito says:

    Another way to look at 2020…

    The Dems, media, pundits said a Trump presidency would be apocalyptic.

    If he is still running in 2020, there was no apocalypse, and all his opponents look like liars.

  1077. lisab says:

    you guys are insane

    robbie has already told us the dems will win all 5 states

  1078. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    LoL. The arguments on this site are so sad and pathetic.

    LisaB has lost her mind (not that she ever really said anything worthwhile anyways).

    Just a bunch of poor, dumb white people sharing in their fantasy world or fake news.

    I hope to god most of you don’t have children to spread your mental illness and narcissism onto.

  1079. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    @Wes – The genes of every human being can be traced back to a genetic bottleneck about 70,000 years ago when the human race was down to approximately 1000-10,000 breeding pairs. The most likely hypothesis is that the Total Super Volcano Eruption disrupted our climate and caused massive extinctions. There are bottlenecks found in other species as well.

    In other words, you are a f*cking scientifically illiterate imbecile.

    Mand-made climate change pure and simple science accepted by right-wing and left-wing parties throughout the civilized world.

    The only reason republicans don’t accept it is because they are helpless and willfully ignorant like you.

    Hopefully you chose not to breed with your new bride. Given your history, her survival is not likely much less any children you might have.

  1080. lisab says:

    “Just a bunch of poor, dumb white people”

    that sentiment is EXACTLY why the dems are off the rails

    they used to be the party of the blue collar worker

    not any more

  1081. Jonesy says:

    Agree Lisa. Every time the Left goes anti White,another voter in Mich and Penn switches to the GOP

  1082. Mr.Vito says:

    “The most likely hypothesis is that the Total Super Volcano Eruption disrupted our climate and caused massive extinctions.”

    and the climate has changed again since Krakatoa according to that chart I got from a “woke” climate change site…

  1083. Jonesy says:

    Pete, lay off the Generic Meds at Walmart

  1084. Wes says:

    Can someone translate the Charlie Brown teacher speech in 1120 for me?

    I saw something about a supervolcano and genetic bottlenecks when I mentioned only Krakatoa–an even only 134 years old that produced no known gendtic bottlenecks among homo sapiens sapiens.

  1085. Mr.Vito says:

    There was also a great eruption in 1815 in Indonesia, which also corresponds with a change in sea level in that chart.

  1086. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Not talking about general people. Just the people on this board. And I’m not a democrat or a part of their leadership.

    Your white victimization is cute though. It’s like a shield that you use to keep out things like science and logic and reason.

    If someone says something you disagree with, they’re a “coastal elites.”

    Good job making yourself helpless and ignorant.

    And to believe Lisa is a school teacher. What a joke.

  1087. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Wes – Do you even have functioning cognition?

    You used an anecdote that had absolutely nothing to do with climate change to say that climate change was a “liberal” lie.

    In fact there have been extinction level events caused by volcanos, not that they much direct with Carbon-based climate change.

    It just showed your raw, naked ignorance and lack of scientific illiteracy.

    Man-made climate change is scientific fact. The posts brought against it on this board are so bad as to be laughable.

    That’s what happens when you spend time on an echo chamber. Old people on the internet are so sad and pathetic and inbred in their thinking.

  1088. Mr.Vito says:

    cool… lisab is a deplorable now

    …remember the good old days when she was a coastal elitist?

  1089. Mr.Vito says:

    I’m sure having a third of the major eruptions of the common era since the American Revolution has nothing to do with a climate change spike.

  1090. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Here’s what will happen if we get into an argument with real facts.

    I will bring out data and reasoning.

    Being scientifically illiterate and uneducated you might bring up one of those horribly misleading links on far-right websites about how climate change is fake.

    Then I will point out the badness of your sources.

    Then you will resort to high-school in-group thinking. One of you will say I’m wrong and the other will agree WITH NO REASONING. But you will feel like you won because someone from the “cool kids” agreed with you.

    That or you can go on about some spiel about liberals or democrats which is the same thing but in reverse.

    It was sad in high school. It’s even sadder now that most of you are in your 40’s and 50’s.

  1091. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Vito – Cite your sources.

    Oh wait you can’t. We haven’t really had a major super volcano explosion in recorded human history which only goes back about 10,000 years.

    Not that it means much. Major Geological events occur on a timescale of millions of years.

    Of course Vito would want to posit that a third of “Major” volcanic events have happened in the last 300 years somehow.

    It’s still irrelevant to carbon dioxide and current man-made climate change though. It’s just some absurd irrelevant factoid Wes took out of his ass to justify that climate change is “liberal” and “no big deal.”

  1092. Jonesy says:

    Pete prays to his God, Tom Steyer. Oh great one, write me a check

  1093. Tina says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/FoxNews/status/918695312646078464

    I read here that all daca folks were good people.

  1094. Mr.Vito says:

    “Vito – Cite your sources.”

    Okay

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_volcanism_on_Earth

    “We haven’t really had a major super volcano explosion…”

    Well, I said major eruption. And yet scientists even believe the 1815 volcano altered the climate…

    “Not that it means much. Major Geological events occur on a timescale of millions of years.”

    That doesn’t help your cause much. You want to concentrate on a millenia, which I said was a blip in history. Glad you finally figured it out.

    http://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/420-kyr-Englander-Triple-Chart-rev2017-US-Units-768×580.png

    “It’s still irrelevant to carbon dioxide and current man-made climate change though.”

    Well looking at that chart from a big climate change guy, he says the red circle is proof man is making more CO2. Of course, there is no corresponding change in sea level or temperature to correspond with it in his graph.

  1095. Tina says:

    John Kerry @JohnKerry
    It’s all hands on deck standing up to President Trumps’s dangerous decision on Iran. Here’s my statement.

    Poor Francais.

    He admitted in congressiomal testimony that he never read the iranian deal.

  1096. Mr.Vito says:

    I have to give Pete props… I was more open to the idea of climate change until he made me decide to look some stuff up an hour ago.

  1097. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Republicans only care about money anyways so I’ll bring the most damning argument about climate change.

    Every single financial institution and major corporation incorporates climate change into their models. Most important these include insurers: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/07/climate-change-threatens-ability-insurers-manage-risk

    Now why would companies worth trillions of dollars involve themselves in a hoax?

    Because it’s not a hoax. People with actual money and skin in the game believe it’s real which is all a classic investment Republican needs to know.

    Then of course, all the major oil companies including exxon, BP, etc believe in it too. It’s only small crappy coal companies and a few mid-sized oil companies that make money off marginal oil fields (and want to pollute the environment in doing so) that perpetuate climate change denial.

    And by extension a bunch of unemployed old white guys want the small number of short-term, high-paying oil jobs that would be produced by destroying our environemtn.

    Why not, they won’t be around in 20 years anyways.

    F*ck their kids and everybody else.

    Which is really the motto of Trump and this board.

  1098. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Vito – LoL. Your “sources” don’t mean anything just like your horrible reasoning.

    Why does the millenia mean anything? It’s something you pulled out of your a*s.

    The forces that are causing climate change are similar to massive geological events that only occur once in a timespan of millions of years.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/aug/30/volcanic-eruptions-triggered-global-warming-56m-years-ago-study-reveals

    I don’t want to confuse you since there are a lot of soundbytes from this study that many simple-minded conservatives will use to “discredit” climate change.

    But the thesis is the same: super volcano eruptions about 56 million years ago caused a global warming event of about 5 degrees celsius which was enough to cause mass extinctions.

    We are releasing carbon dioxide more gradually but in greater quantities right now.

  1099. Mr.Vito says:

    From that wiki:

    This is a sortable summary of 27 major eruptions in the last 2000 years with VEI ?6, implying an average of about 1.3 per century.

    You will see 7 on that list over the last 250 years, for an average of 2.8 per century

  1100. Mr.Vito says:

    “Why does the millenia mean anything?”

    It means even less than a century, which is period climate change scientists use for sea level alarm.

  1101. Wes says:

    What few words I can glean from Charlie Brown’s teacher’s rants are focused squarely on racist, bigoted, sexist hatred of white men and promulgating the idea that Man alone is capable of causing climate change. Krakatoa caused massive climate change, even leading to an extended period of globsl COOLING as well as a spike in sea levels.

    Charlie Brown’s teacher can’t understand how massive traumatic phenomena such as Krakatoa can trigger changes in climate more than Man ever could.

    Ergo, he doubles down on mindless, meritless arguments that wouldn’t convince anyone not already inclined to his beliefs.

  1102. Wes says:

    Why does the millenia mean anything? It’s something you pulled out of your a*s.

    This guy called me an illiterate.

    Irony.

  1103. Mr.Vito says:

    http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-volcanoes.html

    Tambora, Indonesia—1815

    In 1815, Tambora, on the Indonesian island of Sumbawa, erupted with such magnitude that it may have resulted in worldwide climate change. The volume of magma that spewed from the volcano is estimated to be around 24 cubic miles (Decker)—but more importantly, several million tons of sulphur dioxide were emitted into the Earth’s atmosphere. The gas quickly turned into a large cloud which encircled the Earth and scattered sulphuric acid droplets in the form of acid rain.

    It also led to a massive cooling of the entire Earth’s surface, and 1816 became known in Europe and America as the “year without a summer,” where snow was recorded falling in New England in June (Decker). Despite this, it would be almost 80 years before scientists in the Western world would make a connection between the massive eruption at Tambora, and the worldwide phenomenon of climate change (Sigurdsson).

  1104. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    And there are Republican ideas to fix climate change, most notably from Reagan himself:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-reagan-model-on-climate-change/2015/03/13/4f4182e2-c6a8-11e4-b2a1-bed1aaea2816_story.html

    And current models on how to do so from esteemed Republican statesmen like James Baker III:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/a-republican-proposal-for-a-carbon-tax-okay/516048/

    *****

    But really, none of these proposals have any weight as long as the Train Trump pushes it’s ignorant way forward powered by the ignorance and animus of the far-right.

    Most of whom cluster in safe-spaces like here where independent thinking doesn’t exist.

  1105. Mr.Vito says:

    “Despite this, it would be almost 80 years before scientists in the Western world would make a connection between the massive eruption at Tambora, and the worldwide phenomenon of climate change (Sigurdsson).”

    Scientists can’t even figure out obvious causes of climate change for nearly a century.

  1106. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Do you have a college education Wes? I have heard better arguments from kids in high school.

    You can’t have a reasoned argument with someone not in full control of his faculties.

    Just like I said, you can’t address the issue. Instead you resort to white victimization identity politics nonsense.

    It is so absurdly sad. Even true libertarians would not be so dense.

  1107. Mr.Vito says:

    “We are releasing carbon dioxide more gradually but in greater quantities right now.”

    So, that should give us a difference in the spikes in the sea level and global temperature charts above.

    whoopsie… not there.

  1108. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Scientists weren’t able to figure out gravity either until Newton.

    So f*ck scientists right? They got gravity wrong for 99.99% of human history.

    God … so dense.

  1109. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    As I knew would happen, Vito got confused. The inability to look at data holistically and draw a nuanced conclusion is a talent bereft from his tiny mind.

  1110. Mr.Vito says:

    “Scientists weren’t able to figure out gravity either until Newton.”

    You mean the mathematics behind it. Maybe in another 2000 years they will figure out precise mathematics behind climate. Until then, it’s inductive, not deductive.

  1111. Mr.Vito says:

    ” The inability to look at data holistically and draw a nuanced conclusion ”

    Apparently climate change scientists have this problem, too.

  1112. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    The facts are all there anyways. You can chose to spin whatever fantasy you have for yourself.

    And the rest of the thinking world can laugh at you for it which is why this board has bled so many people that only the radicals are left.

    Even Polaris for all his faults drew a rational argument. Some of his assumptions were off and he accepted responsibility for it.

    This Donald Trump Fake News, mental retardation nonsense will end with his presidency soon enough.

    It’s just irritating to see blindly partisan fools feel newly enabled to lie and spread falsehoods in the same fashion a the Orangutan in the white house.

  1113. Mr.Vito says:

    Pete should do us a favor by copying and pasting this entire exchange everywhere he can on the net.

    I’m sure everyone will revel in his genius.

  1114. Mr.Vito says:

    “Even Polaris for all his faults drew a rational argument.”

    Well, that explains a lot about Pete.

    He couldn’t look at a data set and draw the correct conclusion either.

  1115. Mr.Vito says:

    “It’s just irritating to see blindly partisan fools feel newly enabled to lie and spread falsehoods…”

    Well, I took all my charts from liberal sites, so…

  1116. jason says:

    “This Donald Trump Fake News”

    The dumb troll needs professional help.

    The coverage of Trump is 98% negative and/or fake, and you really think its the other way around?

    I take it back, there IS no help for someone that deluded.

  1117. jason says:

    10k years ago people walked across the Bering Straight. There was a 1000 ft od ice over NYC less than 12k years ago. You could walk across the English Channel 8k years ago. There must of been one heck of a “global warming” to change all of that, or a lot of mammoth farts.

  1118. Mr.Vito says:

    “…or a lot of mammoth farts.”

    Or hyperventilating liberals…

  1119. Mr.Vito says:

    lisab, Wes, and I are so partisan…

  1120. Wes says:

    Charlie Brown’s teacher, I have a Bachelor’s in political science. Granted, that doesn’t make me a meteorologist, but then I doubt you have credentisls in that field either.

  1121. Wes says:

    Let’s see…

    I despise GWB.

    I didn’t vote for Trump.

    I didn’t vote for McCain.

    I openly said I eould have voted for Donnelly over Mourdock had I lived in Indiana in 2012.

    I can see how Charlie Brown’s teacher would confuse me with a partisan Republican.

    🙄

  1122. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    “The coverage of Trump is 98% negative and/or fake, and you really think its the other way around?”

    ROFLMAO.

    Saved for posterity.

  1123. Wes says:

    Charlie Brown’s teacher typed this:

    And by extension a bunch of unemployed old white guys want the small number of short-term, high-paying oil jobs that would be produced by destroying our environemtn.

    Then when I called him out on it, he said this:

    Instead you resort to white victimization identity politics nonsense.

    Who was talking about race again?

  1124. Mr.Vito says:

    “Who was talking about race again?”

    If I open a random news page, I’m pretty sure I know which side will be talking race and victimization.

  1125. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    We all make mistakes. It takes a grown up to admit it.

    So just admit if you are smart. You made some weird obscure reference to a volcano as proving that climate change doesn’t matter. It does and it is more comparable to super-volcano explosions that gave caused mass extinctions before.

    But you’re right in a way. It doesn’t matter You have what … 30 years of life? The early changes will be more hurricanes and food supply instability things you will still be able to avoid if you have some means in a modern country.

    It’s the same thinking Trump has. He has maybe 10 years of life left at most. All he can do is obsess about winning a 2nd term so that he can get his full revenge on Obama and match him. It doesn’t matter if the rest of the world burns.

    And look, your friends have come with a completly moronic remark about their having been an ice-age a long time before.

    Still completely irrelevant to the facts on hand which is man-made pollution is contributing to global warming.

    Climate Denial isn’t a strictly partisan issue even though every dumb republican subscribes to it. You could just be straight up dumb.

    Thanks for pointing that out.

  1126. Wes says:

    You’re clearly too stupid to even have read what I said.

    Here. I’ll walk you through it:

    I mentioned the Krakatoa explosion–an event so violent it is colloquially known as “the day the world exploded”–and pointed out all the pollution released by the explosion was greater than Man has created in his entire history.

    Despite this–and despite the fact that Krakatoa did have long-term climatic effects, altering whole ecosystems and triggering an extended period of global cooling–Man still exists on Earth.

    If Krakatoa couldn’t destroy life on Earth despite the considerable extent of its fury, thdn Mankind isn’t going to be able to get the job done either.

  1127. Wes says:

    Krakatoa is obscure now.

    You just can’t fix stupid.

  1128. Bitterlaw says:

    The climate will always change. Humans are probably irrelevant to that change. Both can be true.

  1129. jason says:

    Climate Denial isn’t a strictly partisan”

    LOL

    Not partisan?

    Your poster boy for climate change is Al Gore, a pathological liar.

    Look at every “global warming” rally. Read the signs. “Death to capitalism”.

    Global warming is not about climate “change”, its about changing capitalism to socialism. It’s an excuse, a tool.

    If you want to be serious about climate change as a non-partisan subject, get rid of the Al Gores and the leftist agenda driven academia trash.

    Forget the “settled science” horse crap and let’s look at it from a strictly scientific viewpoint. Stop skewing the data to fit the narrative.

    Then we can talk.

  1130. jason says:

    How long does Obama have? He is looking to buy beach front property on Martha’s Vineyard for $$$$.

    He make be an abject failure as a President, but he is obviously smarter than Pete Wilson.

  1131. jason says:

    The idea that Republicans would be any less interested in protecting future generations from “climate change” is really stupid. Republicans don’t care about their children;s message? Is that really your message?

    LOL

  1132. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1166. “The early changes will be more hurricanes and food supply instability things you will still be able to avoid if you have some means in a modern country.”

    Really Obamacon?

    Not sure your aware but up until June of this year we had one of the longest hurricane “droughts” ever. Here is a quote from NOAA from several months ago.

    “North Atlantic: June marks a continuation of a record-long major hurricane (Category 3 or stronger) landfall drought in the United States. The last major hurricane to make landfall in the U.S. was Wilma on October 24, 2005. This major hurricane drought surpassed the length of the eight-years from 1861-1868 when no major hurricane struck the United States’ coast. On average, a major hurricane makes landfall in the U.S. about once every three years. The reliable record of landfalling hurricanes in the U.S. dates back to 1851.”

    And as far as famine, over the last decade new technology, fertilizer made from natural gas, and human ingenuity have caused a major spike in agricultural production. Takes cereals as an example:

    “From 1961 to 2014, global cereal production has increased by 280 percent. If we compare this increase to that of total population (which increased by only 136 percent over the same period), we see that global cereal production has grown at a much faster rate than the population. Cereal production per person has increased despite a growing population.

    Have we achieved this through land expansion or improved yields? As we can see in the chart, expansion played a very small role: over the last few decades land use for cereal production has increased only marginally. In 2014, we used 16% more land for cereal production than we did in 1961 (approximately equivalent to double the area of Germany). Overall, this means we use less land per person than we did fifty years ago.

    Most of our improvements in cereal production have arisen from improvements in yield. The average cereal yield has increased by 175 percent since 1961. Today, the world can produce almost three times as much cereal from a given area of land than it did in 1961. As we will explain below, this increase has been even more dramatic in particular regions.”

    By the way, didn’t Al Gore say that the snow on top of Mt. Kilimanjaro would be gone by now? How about the Himalayas?

    The climate has been warming, and has done for several hundred years since what is know as the “Little Ice Age.” I also believe that human activity is playing some part in it now, and we should move to towards lower carbon emissions, much as Bill Gates, Judith Curry and others have advocated. What I dislike is the issue has been hijacked by those with political agendas, who are using baseless claims to try and stampeded the world into their version of neo-socialism.

  1133. Mr.Vito says:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/comedian-george-lopez-booed-off-stage-for-anti-trump-jokes-report/article/2637547

    Apparently a juvenile diabetes fundraiser isn’t the place for partisan racial jokes…

  1134. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here are the yearly averages for the number of hurricanes in the North Atlantic from 1968-2016:

    11.7 Named Storms
    6.3 Hurricanes
    2.7 Major Hurricanes
    1.7 Hurricanes that Landfall the U.S.
    .6 Major Hurricanes that Landfall the U.S.

  1135. Tina says:

    I beleive in fake news.

    -jebot.

  1136. Cash Cow TM says:

    “…I mentioned only Krakatoa…”

    Yeah, Krakatoa and go Bustaknuckles too.

  1137. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Why does the millenia mean anything?”

    Well, she IS president DJT’s wife.
    So she OBVIOUSLY means something!

  1138. Mr.Vito says:

    “So she OBVIOUSLY means something!”

    Not to liberals…

  1139. Cash Cow TM says:

    Cash Cow has degree in MEATier-AH-low-GEE!

  1140. Cash Cow TM says:

    I am tensed up.

    Waiting for Pistol Pete to get around to blaming some portion of climate change on cow farts…

    Speaking of which….pull my hoof…

  1141. lisab says:

    “cool… lisab is a deplorable now”

    yup … because i pointed out calling white people stupid is a vote loser

    and

    unfortunately the dems are really that much off the rails …

  1142. lisab says:

    soon the only whites they will have will be

    billionaires

    gays

    effeminate white men, not gay per se, just very canadianish

    shrill white women

    and the unemployed

  1143. lisab says:

    all the gop will have to do is show ads like:

    blm supports elizabeth warren …

    here they are, “dead cops now! dead cops now! dead cops now!”

  1144. lisab says:

    one of the two major parties is

    against christmas
    against standing for the anthem
    against cops
    against the military
    against white men
    against the middle class
    against the working class

    and is

    pro-illegal immigration
    pro-muslim immigration
    pro-higher taxes
    pro-government regulation
    and
    pro-higher welfare for non-workers

    that is not a message for success in the mid-west

  1145. lisab says:

    remember the good old days back in the clinton era when the democrats were just f-ing interns in the oval office instead of the middle and working classes?

  1146. Mr.Vito says:

    If they keep blindly defending radical Muslims, they may lose gay men, too.

  1147. lisab says:

    i actually warned tim the toady about this years ago. the dem party has swung way too far anti-american

    jfk could not be elected today as a dem.

  1148. Bitterlaw says:

    in 2020, The Dem candidate for President will be spending every other day in Michigan, Wisconsin and/or Pennsylvania.

  1149. lisab says:

    If they keep blindly defending radical Muslims, they may lose gay men, too.
    ————————————-

    i don’t believe they actually like radical muslims as much as they hate you guys

    many of them REALLY hate you guys

  1150. lisab says:

    oh btw … someone mentioned kerry above

    he wants to run again in 2020

    he is visiting iowa

    i kid you not

  1151. lisab says:

    the sad part is, this time i might actually support him

    because of all the potential dem candidates …

    he is one of the most reasonable choices

  1152. lisab says:

    Comic George Lopez was booed off stage at a gala for juvenile diabetes in Denver last week, over an anti-Donald Trump routine that fell flat with the crowd.

    We’re told the flap began when Trump backer and Liberty Media CEO Greg Maffei donated $250,000 but requested that Lopez cool it with the anti-Trump jokes at the Carousel Ball.

    An attendee at the event — where tables sold from $5,000 to $100,000 to benefit the Barbara Davis Center for Diabetes — commented on a YouTube video that “George was asked nicely to stop making Trump jokes by a man in front row [Maffei] who just donated $250K.” But “George doesn’t, continues. Gets booed.”

    We’re told that Lopez responded to Maffei, “Thank you for changing my opinion on old white men, but it doesn’t change the way I feel about orange men.”

    Trying to recover and sensing the audience turn, Lopez said, “Listen, it’s about the kids .?.?. I apologize for bringing politics to an event. This is America — it still is. So I apologize to your white privilege.”

  1153. lisab says:

    German Soccer Team Kneels in Solidarity With NFL…
    ——————————————

    the dems are now aligned with germans … great job

  1154. lisab says:

    Hepatitis A outbreak: State of emergency declared in California
    —————————————-

    gee … i wonder how california has a epidemic of hep A …. hmmmmmmmmm …i wonder if any countries have a lot of hep A ….

    canada maybe? greenland? france?

  1155. lisab says:

    Harvey Weinstein expelled from motion picture academy

  1156. Mr.Vito says:

    It’s easy as Hep A B C.

  1157. Diamond Jim says:

    😛

  1158. Diamond Jim says:

    🙂

  1159. Diamond Jim says:

    MCC

  1160. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1195. “Hepatitis A outbreak: State of emergency declared in California.”

    San Diego is where the Hepatitis A epidemic is centered. 18 have died, and about 500 are ill with it – about 300 in hospitals. Almost all the victims are homeless.

    In the name of compassion, the courts prevented the police from removing homeless people from their camps/ sleeping on the public sidewalks. They were everywhere living in filth, and hepatitis A was the result. They are now forcing them to move off the sidewalks so they can power wash the sidewalks.

    In the bad old days of no-compassion, the police used to arrest them for sleeping on the sidewalk, then they would offer them the choice of going into a homeless facility, drug treatment or mental center, or jail. As a result many of them cleaned up and reformed, and often again lead productive lives. It was an act of great cruelty.

  1161. DW says:

    I cannot believe the Democrats would be so stupid as to run an old re-tread in 2020. I thought the GOP had the corner on being the Party of Stupid.

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