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Northam Leads Gillespie By 7% in VA

The polling yo-yo in Virginia continues as Christopher Newport University has come out with a new poll that completely contradicts the poll released yesterday by Hampton University and has Democrat Ralph Northam up by 7%.

GOVERNOR – VIRGINIA (CNU)
Ralph Northam (D) 50%
Ed Gillespie (R) 43%

This poll was done October 20-25 among 812 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 8:54 am
Filed under: General | Comments (710)

710 Responses to “Northam Leads Gillespie By 7% in VA”

  1. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #288(Prior Thread)- BitterLaw
    Please research the current Yankees before making ridiculous statements. Here is how the Yanks’ starting eight came about:

    1B– Bird- Minors
    2B- Castro- Trade
    3B- Headley- Trade
    SS- Gregorious- Trade
    LF- Gardner- Minors
    CF- Hicks- Trade
    RF- Judge- Minors
    C- Sanchez- Minors

    It’s the Red Sox who are paying big for overrated talent, not the Bronx Bombers.

  2. mnw says:

    DW

    What say u about the dueling polls?

    I know this: if Gillespie thinks he’s behind, Trump will be appearing at a last minute Gillespie rally.

  3. mnw says:

    I see from DW’s comment on the last thread that this poll has Northam doing better with men than women. That’s counterintuitive, bordering on not credible.

  4. Phil says:

    3

    Yeah, I noticed that too.

    who knows.

  5. Chicon says:

    Mnw – good morning. Wes predicts a close win for Ed, as did DW. I think they’re both pretty good at assessing the electorate.

  6. mnw says:

    I know I’m not. I think I was in VA once when I was 9.

  7. Chicon says:

    Me, either, although it seems clear the the area around DC is getting to be a large problem for the gop.

  8. hugh says:

    3. That is not just counterintuitive, its complete bs. after the last election and we learned out pollsters can get representative samples m vs w white vs non white etc, but still skew the results for a narrative I am convinced that’s is what is going on here

    Hopefully we pull this one out. Off year elections can be tough on the GOTV for both sides, but particularly with minorities and college students.

  9. mnw says:

    Our old friend Rdel posts at HHR. He points out that this poll has the Indies breaking sharply for the DEMs, which hasn’t been true in recent elections. Rdel assesses the race as tied, fwiw.

    He is the former poster I would most like to see return here.

  10. mnw says:

    I meant RRH

  11. Mr.Vito says:

    If Gillespie is +8 in sw va as this poll implies, then yeah, hes gonna lose.

  12. Phil says:

    Pretty sure Gillespie is doing considerably better than +8 in SW Virginia. Not buying that for a minute. I guess we will see.

  13. DW says:

    I am still resolute that Gillespie wins by 1-3 points.

    1) He will do better in NOVA than Trump did last year.

    2) He will do better among women statewide than Trump did last year.

    3) He will do slightly worse than Trump on the turnout in the rural areas

    4) He will do better overall in suburbs than Trump did.

    5) He will do about the same as Trump in VA Beach and Chesapeake.

    6) He has a much better organization and outreach than Cuccinelli did four years ago.

    I will report back here after I vote. I have had a sense of the statewide winner each time I vote in a statewide election based on what I see at my precinct, which is somewhat of a bellweather, given the local demographics.

  14. Mr.Vito says:

    Weakness there would indicate why hes backing confederate monuments.

  15. DW says:

    Rural southwest VA would either vote Gillespie or largely stay home. My impression of these polls is that most of them with Northam up 7 points are sticking by the old models that failed them in the Gillespie/Warner senate race and the McAwful/Cuccinelli Gov race.

    Hampton U decided to shake up the modelling and as a result got Gillespie +8. Did they shake it up correctly? We will find out soon–but I think Ed takes it.

  16. DW says:

    14 – I do know for a fact, having just driven through southwest VA that many still have their homemade Trump signs affixed to their barns, roofs, trees, etc. These voters hang on Trump’s every word…just one tweet from Trump to get out there and help Ed Gillespie…and then Ed will help deliver VA for Trump 2020, and these voters will come out if they were in fact going to stay home. But bear in mind these voters were largely missed in 2016 polling, somehow hiding in plain sight.

  17. Chicon says:

    Thanks for the info, DW.

  18. mnw says:

    Yes, thx, DW.

    NV SEN GOP primary poll:

    A new poll, looks righteous, but it’s 500 LVs, automated. Link in comments at RRH.

    Tarkanian +6 over Heller. (Last time it was T +8.). Also shows Trump better JA than Heller among GOP primary voters. This is another race where I think Bannon should butt out, but I don’t like Heller’s chances in the GE.

  19. DW says:

    And Vito, I don’t think its a weakness backing confederate monuments in VA of all places. On I-95 between DC and Richmond you can see the exit with the huge sign for the ‘Stonewall Jackson Shrine’ where you can tour where he died. Jackson’s grave in Lexington, VA is surrounded by a gate where worshippers regularly cast lemons at the base of the obelisk because Jackson like lemons.

    I don’t think there is any real negative risk in NOVA for Gillespie coming out supporting the monuments, and there is the potential it will help him across rural VA.

  20. Mr.Vito says:

    I didnt say it WAS a weakness, I said his weakness the types of voters you mentioned is why he has come around on it to the majority view of VA.

  21. Mr.Vito says:

    I pointed out the prior poll said VA voters supported keeping them 2 tp 1.

  22. Bitterlaw says:

    I might throw something at Jackson’s grave but it would not be lemons.

  23. Bitterlaw says:

    All hell breaks loose until Trump realizes it is Catalonia and not California.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5023203/Catalonia-explode-violence-Madrid-imposes-rule.html

  24. mnw says:

    That NV poll I cited above in post #18 is getting a lot of coverage at political junky sites. I’m skeptical that Heller could hold that seat, & I’m almost sure that Tarkanian can’t.

  25. DW says:

    January 1, 1874

    Republican Gilbert Walker left his position as VA Governor.

    The next Republican Governor of VA was Linwood Holton who entered office January 17, 1970.

    Since 1970, it has been three Republicans, followed by three Democrats, followed by two Republicans, followed by two Democrats, followed by 1 Republican, followed by 1 Democrat, Terry McAwful.

  26. jason says:

    Tarkanian is a deadender candidate a la Sharron Angle.

    NYC will be sure to support him, SEND A MESSAGE.

  27. Bitterlaw says:

    At last Tarkanian has not been accused of being a witch.

    COD truly was the worst candidate ever.

  28. jason says:

    If Gillespie is +8 in sw va as this poll implies, then yeah, hes gonna lose.”

    This is true.

    On the other hand if he is only down 7 in the state despite only being up 8 in SW VA he probably is outperforming in NOVA, as DW has suggested.

    My view is he is not up by 8 or down by 7.

  29. jason says:

    “COD truly was the worst candidate ever.”

    Joe Miller would give her a run for her money.

    And then there is Angle. Buck. Akin. Mourdock.

    Take your pick of NYC’s favorites.

  30. jason says:

    I have learned not to go against DW’s predictions.

    However, where is Noncensus?

    If he predicts a Northam win, Gillespie is a shoo in.

  31. jason says:

    Noncensus has a record of ALWAYS being wrong on his predictions here.

    Pretty remarkable…

    Truly the gold standard.

  32. Mr.Vito says:

    This poll has it 53-40 in NOVA, I think.

  33. mnw says:

    From a standpoint of the GOP holding the NV Senate seat, the best thing would be for Heller to do a Flake, and then have a primary for the open seat.

    It looks to me as if Heller has virtually no chance to win both the primary & the GE both.

  34. jason says:

    In disguise? LOL

    “Barack Obama does not have Angelina Jolie’s seal of approval.

    “She hates him,” a source close to the U.N. goodwill ambassador, 34, tells the new issue of Us Weekly (on newsstands now).

    “She’s into education and rehabilitation and thinks Obama is all about welfare and handouts. She thinks Obama is really a socialist in disguise,” adds the source…

    “Angie isn’t Republican, but she thinks Obama is all smoke and mirrors,” the source says.

  35. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    CALIFORNIA HAD DECLARED INDEPENDENCE FROM SPAIN!!!

    oops…scratch that…
    should be

    “Catalonia declares independence from Spain…”
    ___________________________
    let’s all sing…

    Cat-a-lon-ia here I come
    Right back where I started from…

  36. jason says:

    This poll has it 53-40 in NOVA, I think.”

    Trump only got 28% in Fairfax and 36% in Prince William, 38% in Loudoun.

    If Gillespie could get 40 in NOVA overall he would be competitive.

  37. DW says:

    36 – exactly. Much depends on turnout in other population centers like the evenly divided Chesapeake and VA Beach. If the GOP gets out the vote here, and they are making a huge push to do so, it will yield enough to make a difference assuming Gillespie does well enough in rural western portions of the state.

  38. janz says:

    DW, #13 all six points made in your assessment of the VA race sound reasonable and credible.

  39. janz says:

    An off topic story:

    At the farmer’s market this morning a friend of my husband’s discussed walking his dog in the early morning hours today. He lives in a more rural area outside of Los Angeles. On his walk he came across black garbage bags — 11 of them – placed on the side of the road. One was even in his own driveway.

    People sometimes throw their trash around to avoid dump fees, which is what he assumed had happened. However, when he went out later, when it was light outside, the police were there. They said each bag contained 50 lbs of prepared, ready to sell marijuana, probably having a street value of over $250,000.

    Unbelievable!

  40. mnw says:

    Real Clear Politics (RCP) says that a GOP VA tracking poll has Gillespie +2.

  41. DW says:

    40 – and I have been saying a range of +1 to +3 for Gillespie.

  42. DW says:

    I haven’t looked at the details of the new CNU poll, but just found this comment at RRH:

    “The problem with this poll is not the income level, but the education level. This poll has 70%!! Of voters with a bachelor’s degree or more and almost 30% with a graduate degree. That’s about twice as educated as Virginia as a whole is, so this poll can be thrown in the trash”

  43. DW says:

    For the first time there are three polls in the RCP average showing Gillespie ahead. Seems to be peaking at the right time.

  44. mnw says:

    DW

    The education thing cracks that poll wide open. That seems ridiculous on its face.

  45. DW says:

    44 – confirms the likely reason their western VA were soft for Gillespie–they likely oversampled the Virginia Tech area–getting too highly educated in the sample, along with weaker than expected support for Gillespie in that part of the state.

  46. GPO says:

    Hatch to retire

  47. Chicon says:

    Isn’t it often a bad sign when one side leaks internal polling?

    That concern aside, I’m sticking with DW.

  48. Phil says:

    Hatch is, what, 85?

    Ok, Dems – time to dump twenty million into Utah. Golden opportunity. LOL

  49. DW says:

    48 – not necessarily. I would agree its a bad sign if its the only poll that has you ahead while all the others have the other side way ahead.

  50. Phil says:

    Correction, only 83.

  51. Phil says:

    I like where the race is in Virginia.

  52. Chicon says:

    If Ed does win, does it tell us anything (one way or the other) about Trump’s impact on the party?

  53. mnw says:

    I think Romney will be elected by acclamation, more or less, then. I saw where the Salt Lake Tribune (?) was lobbying for him to run even if Hatch had stayed in.

  54. NYCmike says:

    “If Ed does win, does it tell us anything (one way or the other) about Trump’s impact on the party?”

    Gillespie defeat……not Trump’s fault.
    Gillespie victory……another TRUMP “THE SAVIOR” MIRACLE!

    🙂 Bitterlaw triggered….

  55. Chicon says:

    Decent chance Utah is deadender-proof, like Alabama. Moore will test the theory that Alabama is deadender-proof.

  56. Robbie says:

    As I have been saying for months, the only thing President Moron is making great again the Democrat Party.

    John Harwood?
    @JohnJHarwood 41m

    new Fox News poll, on images of the two parties: Democrats 50% favorable, 44% unfavorable; Republicans 40% favorable, 55% unfavorable

  57. Robbie says:

    So what will the SEND A MESSAGE crowd do when Mitt Romney runs to replace Hatch? Will NYCMike and his buddies try and find a Utah version of Mourdock and McDaniel?

  58. Chicon says:

    Oh, look, the broken record…..

  59. Chicon says:

    58. The king of sending a message excoriates others for sending a message.

  60. NYCmike says:

    To be honest, I am not thrilled about Romney in Utah….I would much rather have a person in the Mike Lee-mold.

  61. NYCmike says:

    John Harwood – so now BOTH Robbie and MD are re-tweeting that “very balanced” journalist.

  62. NYCmike says:

    October 2017 – I am on record as being cautiously optimistic going into next years elections…..it will depend on either good, conservative-oriented legislation coming from Congress, or maybe from an unexpected foreign policy surprise.

  63. Chicon says:

    Maybe the real Robbie left after the election, and his identity was assumed by MD……

  64. Chicon says:

    Mike – stop yourself, the gop is doomed.

  65. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    Has Harwood emailed you personally, like he did Podesta in 2015?

  66. NYCmike says:

    “Maybe the real Robbie left after the election, and his identity was assumed by MD……”

    -No, it is the same Robbie….just even more DOOMED! than before.

    JEB!2020!

  67. mnw says:

    If the GOP Congress passes the tax cut, I think the party’s image will tick up. If they don’t pass it, I think the GOP loses the House.

  68. Chicon says:

    Agreed, mnw. The Congress has to do something substantive.

  69. Phil says:

    Jeb – Kasich in 2020!

    Scarborough endorsed.

  70. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 27, 2017 at 2:34 pm
    Oh, look, the broken record…..

    – Yep, your daily shilling for Trump does sound like a broken record.

  71. Mr.Vito says:

    Yes, Robbie, if the electorate is D+12, your party is doomed.

    If the Alabama Senate race has only about +10 Trump to Clinton voters like the Fox Poll of that race, then Moore may have the 42-42 horserace they show.

  72. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 2:36 pm
    To be honest, I am not thrilled about Romney in Utah….I would much rather have a person in the Mike Lee-mold.

    – You never fail to fail.

  73. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 2:37 pm
    John Harwood – so now BOTH Robbie and MD are re-tweeting that “very balanced” journalist.

    – I’m sorry. I couldn’t find a Tammy Bruce tweet of her calling a 10 year old autistic boy a snowflake.

  74. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 27, 2017 at 2:39 pm
    Maybe the real Robbie left after the election, and his identity was assumed by MD……

    – No. Unlike the majority of posters here, I didn’t allow Trump winning to corrupt my views.

  75. GPO says:

    Robbie , would you agree that if Gillespe wins your thesis and panic are completely unfounded

  76. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 2:40 pm
    Robbie,
    Has Harwood emailed you personally, like he did Podesta in 2015?

    – Have you seen Dinesh D’souza’s latest tweet on Killerly?

  77. NYCmike says:

    Tammy Bruce tweet?

    What is that about? You have mentioned that a number of times.

  78. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 2:41 pm
    “Maybe the real Robbie left after the election, and his identity was assumed by MD……”
    -No, it is the same Robbie….just even more DOOMED! than before.
    JEB!2020!

    – At least he’s a Republican who governed in a very conservative way as governor of Florida. Whereas your boy Trump was encouraging his girlfriends to get abortions in the 1990’s and claimed his personal Vietnam was avoiding an STD in the 1970’s . So conservative.

  79. Mr.Vito says:

    As long as people in the GOP decide they are more interested in fighting Trump than the left, they are going to suffer (see Flake, Corker).

    If they fight both equally they will be fine (see Sasse, Paul).

    Some people might not like it, but it is what it is.

  80. NYCmike says:

    “– Have you seen Dinesh D’souza’s latest tweet on Killerly?”

    -No.

    Next question.

  81. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 27, 2017 at 2:44 pm
    Jeb – Kasich in 2020!
    Scarborough endorsed.

    – Watching you go to Trumpism after years of arguing for electable Republicans has been interesting.

  82. NYCmike says:

    “Whereas your boy Trump”
    “claimed his personal Vietnam was avoiding an STD in the 1970’s”

    TRUMP CHUMPS!

  83. Robbie says:

    GPO says:
    October 27, 2017 at 2:49 pm
    Robbie , would you agree that if Gillespe wins your thesis and panic are completely unfounded

    – No. I also never believed the four special elections that took place earlier this year had any bearing on 2018 either. If anything the closeness of those races in very red districts indicated to me Trump was already having a negative effect on the party perception.

    The VA race takes place in November 2017 and the midterm elections don’t take place until November 2018. We haven’t come close to hitting the bottom with the Trump presidency. And despite that, Republicans already trail Democrats in the RCP generic ballot average by a whopping 9 points.

    I’ll stick with the view I’ve held since April. If Trump’s approval average is 45% or above, Republicans will be ok. If it’s below 40%, Republicans will get blown out. If it’s between 40% and 45%, the outcome is a crapshoot.

  84. Mr.Vito says:

    “Tammy Bruce tweet?
    What is that about?”

    Must be something that went over big on MSNBC.

  85. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    October 27, 2017 at 2:58 pm
    “Tammy Bruce tweet?
    What is that about?”
    Must be something that went over big on MSNBC.

    – How quickly you forget. Last Spring you tried to convince me of something based on an opinion piece Tammy Bruce wrote. That very day she called a 10 year old boy who had an odd interaction with Mike Pence a snowflake. He was autistic.

    So if you want to attack John Harwood as not being fair enough (defined as telling you what you want to hear), I’m going to remind you that you once used a clown named Tammy Bruce to prove one of your views.

  86. Jonesy says:

    Can we all pass the hat around, and finally get Robbie some Help?

    I wonder if he slobbers when he types?

  87. Jonesy says:

    Robbie should be banned here until he apologizes for Russia.

    Amazing that he is not in hiding. Delusional

  88. Mr.Vito says:

    “How quickly you forget. Last Spring you…”

    I wasn’t posting last spring.

  89. Jonesy says:

    Robbie retweets John Harwood? The leftist stooge who was busted by wikileaks?

    Robbie you are like one of those Japanese Soldiers who lived on a Island for 20 years after WW2 ended, and would not surrender

  90. Mr.Vito says:

    I had to stop posting prior to the Florida primary for other reasons.

  91. Chicon says:

    Jonesy, Robbie is disappointed that Trump won’t be hurt by Russia. He hates Trump enough that he’d rather have had Hillary win. He’s one of them “send a message” types.

  92. Mr.Vito says:

    Was this Bruce woman in the wikileaks, too?

  93. NYCmike says:

    Mr. Vito,

    He was speaking to me.

    I posted a link from Tammy Bruce.

    The link had no relation to an insensitive remark made by the same person.

    For some reason, though, Robbie feels that she does NOT have a valid opinion, even if the facts she uses to get that opinion are correct.

  94. NYCmike says:

    Mr. Vito,

    I should also note that Robbie has not yet disavowed using Mark Halperin, noted sexual deviant, as the source for many of his comments in the previous years.

  95. NYCmike says:

    Maybe Halperin did things that Robbie thought of doing when he was looking at internet ladies, which took lisab by surprise.

  96. Mr.Vito says:

    “He was speaking to me.

    I posted a link from Tammy Bruce.”

    Well, he replied to me, so he can apologize for misreading the situation like Tammy Bruce apparently did.

    Did Harwood apologize for bragging to the Clinton campaign about his awesome primary debate questions?

  97. Jonesy says:

    Kind of ignorant for Robbie to hope that the GOP loses the House. His Open Borders icon, Paul Ryan, would be finished politically.

  98. Jonesy says:

    Get this. Diversity Chief at CBS, resigned over Sexual H today.

  99. Mr.Vito says:

    Robbie isn’t hoping the GOP loses the house. The other three that left are, though. It is better to lose for a generation to purge Trump Chumps from the party… (there are way fewer of those than they think… though it is clear listening to Robbie that they thinkevryone is one)

  100. Phil says:

    …..and watching you link every left wing source and article imaginable over the last year has been equally “interesting”.

  101. jason says:

    Wobbie found something bad to say about Trump in 1970?

    Now he is tracking down a rumor that Trump jaywalked in 1958.

  102. jason says:

    “Can we all pass the hat around, and finally get Robbie some Help?”

    That would be like donating to Jeb Bush’s campaign.

  103. Jonesy says:

    103. ROFL!!

  104. jason says:

    “Watching you go to Trumpism after years of arguing for electable Republicans has been interesting.”

    LOL

    Say what you want about Trump, I think the argument that he is not electable has been put to rest.

    And say what you want about Jeb, I think the argument that he is electable has been put to rest.

  105. jason says:

    People sometimes throw their trash around to avoid dump fees, which is what he assumed had happened. However, when he went out later, when it was light outside, the police were there. They said each bag contained 50 lbs of prepared, ready to sell marijuana, probably having a street value of over $250,000.”

    Wow….

    I might sort through Amos Stoltzfuss’ trash tomorrow….

  106. Mr.Vito says:

    The Amish have trash?

  107. Robbie says:

    This is why we can’t have nice things. The SEND A MESSAGE crowd is already vowing to oppose Martha McSally if she runs for Senate.

    Dave Weigel?
    @daveweigel

    INBOX: Club for Growth press release pledging to oppose Rep. McSally if she runs for Senate

  108. jason says:

    – No. Unlike the majority of posters here, I didn’t allow Trump winning to corrupt my views.”

    Translation: unlike the majority of the posters here, I still have not accepted the election results.

  109. jason says:

    The Amish have trash?”

    Now that you mention it, I never saw any.

    So whatever there is has to be rare and valuable?

  110. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, are you in Radnor Township. Your Board President just was busted on Child Porn charges.

    Seems to be a Dem.

  111. DW says:

    New Poll of VA Governor race:

    Ed Gillespie (R) 46%
    Ralph Northam (D) 43%

    Paladin/CFP

    10/25-10/26/2017

  112. Jonesy says:

    Robbie still delusional. News at 6

  113. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    October 27, 2017 at 3:06 pm
    Robbie should be banned here until he apologizes for Russia.
    Amazing that he is not in hiding. Delusional

    – I see Trump’s court jester is up to his usual tricks.

    By the way Jonesy Trump, I’ve been meaning to congratulate you. In the newest FoxNews poll, just 11% of the public supports his tweeting. Congrats on being part of that small minority.

  114. Mr.Vito says:

    Isn’t the other send a message crowd already vowing to oppose Kelli Ward?

  115. Jonesy says:

    DW, how many Car Trunks of Ballots are being readied in NoVa at this moment?

  116. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    October 27, 2017 at 3:07 pm
    “How quickly you forget. Last Spring you…”
    I wasn’t posting last spring.

    – My apologies. I thought I had copied one of NYCMike’s comments.

    That was not meant to be directed to you.

  117. Jonesy says:

    114. That hurts Robbie. Tweeting?

    Robbie uses the Clinton Playbook. Distract, Distract.

    You own Russia Robbie. Finally be a man and own up to it.

  118. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    October 27, 2017 at 3:26 pm
    Kind of ignorant for Robbie to hope that the GOP loses the House. His Open Borders icon, Paul Ryan, would be finished politically.

    – So many lies in just one idiotic post from trump’s court jester.

    1. Point to a single comment I’ve made where I hope the Republicans lose the House. Never have and never will.

    2. Laughable to call me an open borders person just because I don’t support a stupid wall that’s never going to be built.

    That said, I’m not surprised to read your trite since you were a Roy Moore supporter over Luther Strange.

  119. Jonesy says:

    Ward needs to be pushed out. Governor needs to give her a State job.

  120. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 3:19 pm
    Mr. Vito,
    I should also note that Robbie has not yet disavowed using Mark Halperin, noted sexual deviant, as the source for many of his comments in the previous years.

    – Have you disavowed supporting a sexually deviant president after what he said on the Access Hollywood video?

  121. Jonesy says:

    119. Why bother. Delusional as always

  122. jason says:

    “At least he’s a Republican who governed in a very conservative way as governor of Florida.”

    Too bad he forgot all about that when he ran for President, and decided to run as a re-invented Hillary lite who instead of BEING a conservative, vowed to “respect them”.

    But hey, keep searching for the real Jeb killer, maybe you can partner with OJ who is looking for the real Nicole killer, and share the costs.

  123. Jonesy says:

    121. Trump never grabbed her ass. Only the Bush Family does that

  124. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 27, 2017 at 3:34 pm
    …..and watching you link every left wing source and article imaginable over the last year has been equally “interesting”.

    – Sad to see you disavowing news simply because it doesn’t tell you what you want hear.

    We tried that here in 2008 and 2012 with poll trothing.

  125. Jonesy says:

    Jeb was a Good Governor, but he became arrogant.

    No way the country was going to elect a 3rd Bush, especially after Iraq.

  126. jason says:

    ‘after what he said on the Access Hollywood video?”

    What he SAID?

    LOL

    Wobbie is comparing what Trump said to Billy Bush to actual rapists and abusers like Weinstein, Bill Clinton, Halperin, etc.?

    Talk about TDS.

  127. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 27, 2017 at 3:37 pm
    Wobbie found something bad to say about Trump in 1970?
    Now he is tracking down a rumor that Trump jaywalked in 1958.

    – If Obama had said his personal Vietnam was not getting a STD, you’d be screaming bloody murder. But Trump won with an R next to his name so principle gets lost in the process.

  128. DW says:

    116 – Hard to say. NOVA is always the last to report. I still don’t know what happened with the Gillespie / Warner race when Fairfax was at 100% reported and suddenly 9000 more votes for Warner showed up.

  129. Mr.Vito says:

    “Ward needs to be pushed out. Governor needs to give her a State job.”

    Is the GOP in AZ competent enough to do that? The MO GOP was competent enough to clear the way on Hawley (who Robbie said Bannon was going to challenge, but didn’t).

  130. NYCmike says:

    “– Have you disavowed supporting a sexually deviant president after what he said on the Access Hollywood video?”

    -Sexually deviant? Like this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dax_tnZRExc

  131. JC says:

    jason says:
    October 27, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    “Watching you go to Trumpism after years of arguing for electable Republicans has been interesting.”

    LOL

    Say what you want about Trump, I think the argument that he is not electable has been put to rest.
    ———————-

    lol. Robbie still argues that Trump is not electable after a year of being elected president of the United States.

    Jeb spent 100 million to win 4 delegates, is despised by the dem base… and also the GOP base. And had the lowest favorabilities of any candidate during the primary. Robbie says he is electable.

    I guess he believes in #applefacts.

  132. jason says:

    n the newest FoxNews poll, just 11% of the public supports his tweeting. Congrats on being part of that small minority.”

    In the same poll, support for Trump among Republicans held steady at 83%.

    Congrats on being part of the small minority.

  133. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    How often do you go to confession to let your parish priest know about your internet viewing habits?

  134. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:02 pm
    – No. Unlike the majority of posters here, I didn’t allow Trump winning to corrupt my views.”
    Translation: unlike the majority of the posters here, I still have not accepted the election results.

    – Now this is stupid. If I didn’t accept the election outcome, that would mean I refuse to accept Trump is a valid president. Of course he’s a valid president. He’s a moron, but he’s valid.

    However, I’m not about to compromise my views about subjects just because Dear Leader Trump thinks something else. For instance, you have chosen to disagree with Trump’s trade view. Does that mean you refuse to accept the election outcome?

  135. mnw says:

    Regarding Rep. McSally, since someone coughed up her name:

    From the standpoint of post-primary GOP unity, I’m hoping she doesn’t jump in. She’s considerably more moderate than the other GOP names that are being bandied about as alternatives to Ward. Trump enthusiasts in AZ are hostile to her for a variety of reasons, in a way that they would not be hostile to other GOP Congressmen (the others are in fact men).

    If she goes up or out, her seat likely flips. If she waits, there’s still the McCain situation. I could see the other GOP alternatives MAYBE beating Ward, but not McSally. She’s been crosswise with Trump, somewhat like Flake was.

  136. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:04 pm
    Robbie still delusional. News at 6

    – Jonesy still a Trump sycophant. News at 6.

  137. Mr.Vito says:

    “Sad to see you disavowing news simply because it doesn’t tell you what you want hear.”

    News like Trump might win the GE?

  138. jason says:

    ut Trump won with an R next to his name so principle gets lost in the process.”

    Zzzzzzzz……

    Yeah, because I make the argument Trump is a Republican every day here, right?

    Wobbie is unhinged, but you have to understand, this turn of events on the Russia collusion BS has hit him hard.

  139. NYCmike says:

    “However, I’m not about to compromise my views about subjects”

    -Let’s try this again, but I won’t ask for a list this time. Just one at a time would suffice.

    Which “subjects” has Trump compromised your substantial “conservative” views?

  140. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:04 pm
    Isn’t the other send a message crowd already vowing to oppose Kelli Ward?

    – Yes, because she’s unfit. That’s unless you think her belief in chemtrails is reasonable.

  141. NYCmike says:

    Trump has not done anything on trade yet, except try to get FAIRER terms for the United States through the use of threats.

    Why is that bad?

  142. mnw says:

    Jonesy

    Ward may be beaten, but she’ll NEVER be pushed out. If anything, her primary polling may deter others from running.

  143. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:07 pm
    114. That hurts Robbie. Tweeting?
    Robbie uses the Clinton Playbook. Distract, Distract.
    You own Russia Robbie. Finally be a man and own up to it.

    – I own Russia? LOL! If anyone owns Russia it’s Donnie Jr. who took a meeting with Russians on the premise they were going to provide dirt on Clinton. Or have you forgotten that inconvenient fact?

  144. NYCmike says:

    “– Yes, because she’s unfit.”

    -The voters can choose McCain, but they can’t choose/reject Ward?

    I am fine with allowing the process to play out.

    What do you have against voters having a choice?

  145. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:10 pm
    121. Trump never grabbed her ass. Only the Bush Family does that

    – And your true Trumpian colors come out. GHWB is 93 year old who suffers from Parkinson’s disease and has been confined to a wheelchair for about five years. But that’s more than enough for Jonesy to trash him just to prop up President Moron.

  146. NYCmike says:

    Donnie Jr will be mentioned every day now…..Oh Lord!

  147. NYCmike says:

    ” But that’s more than enough for Jonesy to trash him”

    -“trash him” = report the truth.

    Democrat in the making?

  148. NYCmike says:

    How has Trump compromised you?

    Which policy proposal?

  149. jason says:

    She’s considerably more moderate than the other GOP names that are being bandied about as alternatives to Ward.”

    Translation: she can probably win the GE, while Ward is a sure loser.

    McSally is the strongest name in the GOP for the seat.

    I would go with her, and if the Trumpers prefer the moonbat so be it.

  150. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:09 pm

    But hey, keep searching for the real Jeb killer, maybe you can partner with OJ who is looking for the real Nicole killer, and share the costs.

    – Poor Jason. He still hasn’t gotten over Rubio using his chance to take down Trump by talking about hand size and Trump wetting his pants.

  151. NYCmike says:

    “McSally is the strongest name in the GOP for the seat. I would go with her, and if the Trumpers prefer the moonbat so be it.”

    -Why do you take the statement out of context?

    MNW mentioned other things, like they would probably lose her seat in the House.

    IF there are other candidates that could win….Wes has mentioned DeWitt, maybe that would be a better choice long-term. McSally will have another chance when McCain leaves.

  152. NYCmike says:

    How the heck did Rubio enter the conversation now?

    Robbie, you are certifiable!

  153. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:12 pm
    ‘after what he said on the Access Hollywood video?”
    What he SAID?
    LOL
    Wobbie is comparing what Trump said to Billy Bush to actual rapists and abusers like Weinstein, Bill Clinton, Halperin, etc.?
    Talk about TDS.

    – Apparently Jason has forgotten the series of stories that ran before the election last year of women accusing Trump of sexual harassment.

    A tenth woman accuses Donald Trump of inappropriate touching.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/21/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html

  154. JC says:

    The GOP establishment pushing McSally would probably be the single dumbest, most tone deaf thing they could possibly do, and wold guarantee that the seat flips.

    She is to the left of McCain. And more ‘Flakey’ than Flake.

    Everything the Republican base rejected Flake for is amplified in McSally. They will stay home because, like Flake, they do not see McSally as being on their side. She certainly woldn’t put her own neck out to defend us.

    The GOPe just needs to butt out.

  155. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:14 pm
    “– Have you disavowed supporting a sexually deviant president after what he said on the Access Hollywood video?”
    -Sexually deviant? Like this?

    – A tenth woman accuses Donald Trump of inappropriate touching
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/21/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html

  156. Mr.Vito says:

    WAPO fact-check says Robbie and Senate Leadership Fund is lying.

  157. JC says:

    Trent has ruled out running, which is unfortunate because he’s probably the best suited for uniting the GOP establishment and the Trumpers.

  158. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:21 pm
    “– Yes, because she’s unfit.”
    -The voters can choose McCain, but they can’t choose/reject Ward?
    I am fine with allowing the process to play out.
    What do you have against voters having a choice?

    – Nothing more predictable than NYCMike defending Chemtrail Kelly Ward.

  159. Jonesy says:

    156. JC, Rep. Matt Salmon looks like the guy. CFG just endorsed him, and he is very well liked by all factions of AZ GOP.

    He also is well known as he ran for Gov and lost to Janet N.

    I like McSally, but she is tied to McCain. she also needs to hold that Tucson seat.

  160. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    I say the same thing now as I said then……if there is a crime, let it be brought to court….and if Trump is guilty, then find him guilty.

    He has been in the spotlight for over 40 years, and not until he ran for President did these women come out of the woodwork.

    If they deserve a day in court, I’ll back them up 100%.

    Otherwise, I have seen this play before.

  161. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:15 pm
    n the newest FoxNews poll, just 11% of the public supports his tweeting. Congrats on being part of that small minority.”
    In the same poll, support for Trump among Republicans held steady at 83%.
    Congrats on being part of the small minority.

    – I’m part of the 57% in the FoxNews poll, a majority, that disapproves of Trump’s job performance.

  162. Jonesy says:

    146. Robbie defending a dirty old man, and his enabling family

    My late father died of Parkinson’s, and he never grabbed multiple woman’s asses.

  163. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:18 pm
    “However, I’m not about to compromise my views about subjects”
    -Let’s try this again, but I won’t ask for a list this time. Just one at a time would suffice.
    Which “subjects” has Trump compromised your substantial “conservative” views?

    – Trade, NATO, legal immigration reduction, travel ban just to name a few.

  164. NYCmike says:

    “– Nothing more predictable than NYCMike defending Chemtrail Kelly Ward.”

    -Yes, I defend her right to lose, or win, a primary election.

    Robbie,

    Why are you against the primary system?

  165. Jonesy says:

    Robbie is a Bush Cultist.

    Fox News polls have been proven be the worst in the Business.

    President Kerry
    President Hillary

    Utah Robbie

  166. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:22 pm
    Donnie Jr will be mentioned every day now…..Oh Lord!

    – Maybe he shouldn’t have taken a meeting he knew he shouldn’t have and then lied about it.

  167. NYCmike says:

    Conservatives are for unlimited legal immigration with unlimited welfare benefits?

    Conservatives are in favor of chain migration?

    Conservatives are in favor of the immigration policies put in place with the bill mainly written by Ted Kennedy in the 1960’s?

  168. Jonesy says:

    136. Well Said. McSally needs to wait for the McCain seat. The Military Seat

  169. JC says:

    @Jonesy

    I’ve been hearing that name popping up more often lately. I don’t know too much about him but I know the ‘Bannon-wing’ of the party (if there is such a thing) seem to like him a lot (going off comments from Breitbart/ConservativeTreeHouse).

  170. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:23 pm
    ” But that’s more than enough for Jonesy to trash him”
    -“trash him” = report the truth.
    Democrat in the making?

    – NYCMoron, do you know what one of the symptoms of Parkinson’s disease is? Involuntary movements.

  171. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:28 pm
    How the heck did Rubio enter the conversation now?
    Robbie, you are certifiable!

    – Ask Jason how Jeb entered the conversation.

  172. NYCmike says:

    ” travel ban just to name a few.”

    -It is “not conservative” for the President to determine that large numbers of immigrants coming from war-torn nations may allow some bad people into the country, and to take a constitutionally-allowed step of reducing the numbers of immigrants from those countries?

  173. Mr.Vito says:

    “In any case, it is clear that the town hall she hosted was intended to address pervasive constituent concerns, which is certainly appropriate for a lawmaker. We award Three Pinocchios.”

  174. mnw says:

    I have a suspicion that McSally won’t run, but I’m wrong a LOT. I doubt that a private internal poll of the primary would make McSally smile right now.

    Ward’s name recognition is now 85%, I read. She was beating Flake like the proverbial rug. I agree that there are better candidates than Ward out there, but I think McSally would be foolish to wade into this at this point– particularly given the likely open McCain seat.

  175. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:32 pm
    WAPO fact-check says Robbie and Senate Leadership Fund is lying.

    – She said she would hold a hearing on chemtrails. Who does that but a kook?

  176. Jonesy says:

    Salmon was in Congress, two separate times I believe, JC.

    CFG likes him, Mods and McCain too. I think he lost a close race in 2002 for Governor.

    Another McSally problem, is that she is from Tucson. Phoenix politico’s rule the state.

  177. Mr.Vito says:

    “She said she would hold a hearing on chemtrails. Who does that but a kook?”

    WAPO says you are lying.

  178. NYCmike says:

    ” Involuntary movements.”

    -Yes, very well.

    Which is why my grandfather always tried to hold someones hand whenever he stood or sat next to them, for comfort, and also to minimize the distraction and potential for embarrassment.

  179. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:36 pm
    146. Robbie defending a dirty old man, and his enabling family
    My late father died of Parkinson’s, and he never grabbed multiple woman’s asses.

    – No wonder you’re a Trump sycophant. You’re willing to attack a 93 year old man just to defend Trump. Involuntary body movements are a symptom of Parkinson’s and you should know that.

  180. Wes says:

    So basically Dean Heller has been largely loyal to Trump but gets a reward of a divisive primary from a perennisl loser and Deadender with multiple ethical lapses in his background whose only accomplishment is a famous last name.

    Am I missing anything here?

  181. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:37 pm
    Robbie is a Bush Cultist.
    Fox News polls have been proven be the worst in the Business.
    President Kerry
    President Hillary
    Utah Robbie

    – Maybe, but you’re a Trump sycophant. That’s far worse.

  182. Jonesy says:

    Ward, to me, just has the slightly crazy look to me.

    Not her fault, but she is not telegenic.

    Even though I hate wife cheating McCain, her comments about him were stupid.

  183. Mr.Vito says:

    Why should I believe anything you say, Robbie? I don’t know Kelli Ward and never heard of chemtrails… I looked it up, and the first thing I read says you are a liar, and it’s WAPO no less.

  184. NYCmike says:

    Mr Vito,

    I posted a link from a local newspaper last time, and I was met with the same answers….”she is a kook”.

    Ward does not get the right people to like her, so she must be a “deadender”.

  185. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:45 pm
    So basically Dean Heller has been largely loyal to Trump but gets a reward of a divisive primary from a perennisl loser and Deadender with multiple ethical lapses in his background whose only accomplishment is a famous last name.
    Am I missing anything here?

    – He fights. Isn’t that enough for you?

  186. Jonesy says:

    Tarkanian needs to go too, Wes. He could not even win a house race.

    Heller is a NV native, he will crush carpetbagger rosen

  187. Wes says:

    Ward called for McCain to step down so Ducey can appoint her Senator. Classy woman, that Kelli.

  188. Jonesy says:

    181. You are idiot Robbie. He told dirty jokes also.

  189. Wes says:

    Not if Tark drains his campaign account in a divisive primary, Jonesy.

  190. Jonesy says:

    Wes, do you think a Trump visit in rural Va, would help Gillespie?

  191. NYCmike says:

    Not sure why there is such a problem with the primary system…..yet the same people lambaste Mike Lee for using the different system they had in place in Utah, which was NOT a primary system at the time.

  192. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:47 pm
    Why should I believe anything you say, Robbie? I don’t know Kelli Ward and never heard of chemtrails… I looked it up, and the first thing I read says you are a liar, and it’s WAPO no less.

    – From Politifact: “People say, well, would you do it again? Of course I’ll do it again because that’s what you’re supposed to do when you’re elected,” Ward said. “You’re supposed to listen to the people and you’re supposed to get them the information that they need to feel confident that they live in a safe environment.”

    No, Kelli. You’re supposed to tell your constituents chemtrails are a conspiracy theory and not humor them. She play to the lowest common denominator.

  193. mnw says:

    RRH is abuzz with talk that Salmon will run. That works a lot better for me than McSally. I think he could unite the party after the primary, if he wins.

  194. NYCmike says:

    “Not if Tark drains his campaign account in a divisive primary, Jonesy.”

    -Maybe Heller could use that money that Mitch has……oh, excuse me, what was that…..he spent it IN ALABAMA, going after MO BROOKS first, and then Roy Moore??!!

  195. Jonesy says:

    Robbie you are discredited and irrelevant . Time to ignore you, and listen to what the grown ups like Wes have to say, about important topics.

  196. Wes says:

    Tark is 0-5. Heller won even when Obama was on the ballot and in 2006.

    Dean, however, is unacceptable because–reasons?

  197. NYCmike says:

    ““You’re supposed to listen to the people and you’re supposed to get them the information that they need to feel confident that they live in a safe environment.””

    -Robbie thinks this is bad.

    WOW!

  198. Jonesy says:

    Salmon has run state wide. McSally’s time will come

  199. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:50 pm
    181. You are idiot Robbie. He told dirty jokes also.

    – Yes, he was embarrassed that it happened and told a joke to try and minimize his embarrassment over it. But that’s all you Trump shills need to try and tear someone down to prop up Dear Leader.

  200. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:53 pm
    Robbie you are discredited and irrelevant . Time to ignore you, and listen to what the grown ups like Wes have to say, about important topics.

    – Says the guy who claimed I was an anti-Semite and supported Roy Moore over Luther Strange.

  201. Jonesy says:

    198. They think he was part of Sandoval pushing for Obamacare medicaid, Wes.

    Silly stuff

  202. Wes says:

    McConnell’s Senate Leadership Fund has no shortage of money, Mikey. They should be able to spend it against Democrats–you know, the political opposition.

    What would Deadenders know about spending money against Democrats though? They only spent 200 times more against Republicans than Democrats in 2014.

  203. Jonesy says:

    You are anti semitic Robbie, I still believe that. Your remarks about Jerrod Kushner prove that.

    But as I said, you are a waste of time.

  204. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:54 pm
    ““You’re supposed to listen to the people and you’re supposed to get them the information that they need to feel confident that they live in a safe environment.””
    -Robbie thinks this is bad.
    WOW!

    – If people had told her they were worried about black helicopters or that the moon landing was faked, should she have told them she would hold a meeting to ease their concerns? No, of course not. She should have ignored their conspiracies and moved on.

  205. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:57 pm
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/25/senate-leadership-fund/no-kelli-ward-isnt-chemtrails-conspiracy-theorist/
    “We rate this claim Mostly False.”
    Politifact says you are a liar, too.

    – I just provided her quote. She played to lowest common denominator.

  206. Mr.Vito says:

    Robbie’s statement:

    “That’s unless you think her belief in chemtrails is reasonable.”

    Three pinocchios.

  207. mnw says:

    Speaking of Arizonans saying something idiotic, Rep. Sinema (the soon-to-be DEM nominee) described herself as a “Prada socialist.”

    So chemtrails v. Prada.

  208. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    October 27, 2017 at 4:57 pm
    You are anti semitic Robbie, I still believe that. Your remarks about Jerrod Kushner prove that.
    But as I said, you are a waste of time.

    – You really are a nasty little piece of crap. No wonder you’re Trump sycophant. An anti-Semite? What a joke.

  209. Wes says:

    I prefer non-loony Republican vs. Moonbat, Mnw.

    That should be a win for the GOP.

  210. Mr.Vito says:

    “I just provided her quote.”

    I already had, which you could have done instead of lying.

  211. Mr.Vito says:

    “… and not humor them.”

    Well, that is an idea. It would be like telling them you are going to repeal Obamacare… and then literally telling them to go to hell after you are reelected

  212. Mr.Vito says:

    “Involuntary body movements are a symptom of Parkinson’s and you should know that.”

    Both apologies said they were not involuntary movements…

  213. Mr.Vito says:

    “At age 93, President Bush has been confined to a wheelchair for roughly five years, so his arm falls on the lower waist of people with whom he takes pictures. To try to put people at ease, the president routinely tells the same joke — and on occasion, he has patted women’s rears in what he intended to be a good-natured manner. Some have seen it as innocent; others clearly view it as inappropriate. To anyone he has offended, President Bush apologizes most sincerely.”

  214. CG says:

    What did Robbie say about Jared Kushner?

    Let’s hear it JT.

  215. NYCmike says:

    “She should have ignored their conspiracies and moved on.”

    -Or simply hold a town hall which showed them to be NOT backed up by fact, and made sure the voters saw that she cared about their concerns.

  216. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    While I don’t think Robbie is an anti-semite, similar to Trump not being a racist of any sort, both have said things in certain contexts that others took as an offense.

    lisab may be helpful in finding the comments from that particular day, as she jumped on Robbie several times about it as well.

  217. NYCmike says:

    “Both apologies said they were not involuntary movements…”

  218. CG says:

    What did Robbie say about Jared (or Jerrod) Kushner? I know Jonesey has called Robbie an anti-Semite on numerous occasions, never providing any reasons why, but now he says it was something about Kushner.

    It should be easy for him to answer what he said about Kushner and why it was anti-Semitic.

  219. NYCmike says:

    “So chemtrails v. Prada.”

    -I would rather “chemtrails” have to beat some good opponents in a Republican Primary to prove her mettle.

    Salmon, DeWitt….anyone else going to run? May the strongest candidate win.

  220. NYCmike says:

    “It should be easy for him to answer what he said about Kushner and why it was anti-Semitic.”

    -If he can find the day, I am sure he will.

    I believe it was in June, to be honest. Robbie wasn’t as far gone then as he seems to be now.

  221. CG says:

    I think George H.W. Bush would not volunteer to be in wheelchair or to have Parkinson’s if he had his choice. That’s where his hands are though when people pose for pictures with him. He had a little joke that he thought would make it less awkward. Since some people may be offended by what he was doing, he should stop, but what he did was hardly “sexual assault” regardless of what the Bill Clinton apologists or Donald Trump apologists want to claim and 93 year old men in wheelchairs posing for photos with their wives there too are hardly the biggest threat facing women today.

  222. NYCmike says:

    2nd attempt:

    Conservatives are for unlimited legal immigration with unlimited welfare benefits?

    Conservatives are in favor of chain migration?

    Conservatives are in favor of the immigration policies put in place with the bill mainly written by Ted Kennedy in the 1960’s?

  223. CG says:

    This is the first time Jonsey has ever mentioned Kushner in all the many times he has said Robbie is an anti-Semite.

    Did he say something specifically about Kushner being Jewish? Surely, someone can criticize a Jew and not be an anti-Semite, right?

  224. NYCmike says:

    The GHWB issue is nonsense……but it was probably brought up because Robbie has not disavowed noted sexual deviant Mark Halperin, who he consistently links to over the last several years.

    Please note, Halperin was suspended by MSNBC. I hope he has a day in court though, just like Weinstein, and even Trump, deserve.

  225. NYCmike says:

    “This is the first time Jonsey has ever mentioned Kushner in all the many times he has said Robbie is an anti-Semite.”

    -I don’t know about this…….I don’t monitor every comment made on HHR……..DO YOU?

  226. CG says:

    Mark Halperin can be a total perv scumbag and still have had good political sources and theoretically been good at his job just like Donald Trump can be whom he is and still have appointed Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.

    What’s the point?

  227. NYCmike says:

    That is a little odd considering how little you post….you HHR stalker!

    Have you been running on any treadmills!?!?

  228. CG says:

    I don’t know NYC, that’s why I am asking JT/Jonesey to back up the claim.

  229. NYCmike says:

    “he is and still have appointed Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.

    What’s the point?”

    -I don’t know….ask Robbie about Tammy Bruce, and maybe it can be resolved.

  230. CG says:

    Do you want me to post here more NYC? Sorry I choose not to or am unable to for a variety of reasons.

    I assume I would just be seen as a “troll” anyway if I did post here, so there’s not really a great need for me to do so.

  231. CG says:

    What does Tammy Bruce have to do with Jared Kushner?

    I do remember from being here that Jonesy discounted the chances of lesbians named Tammy in the past.

  232. Mr.Vito says:

    Why is it so hard to just say GHWB sexually harassed women, and knew exactly what he was doing “David Cop-A-Feel” and that it was inappropriate?

    Gross.

  233. NYCmike says:

    “Do you want me to post here more NYC?”

    -You were always an amusing person…..you did not make a stand against a continuation of Obama’s country-destroying policies by voting for the Republican, but you will have to deal with that.

  234. CG says:

    I took a stand against the continuation of country destroying policies by voting against both major party candidates. Sorry, if you disliked.

  235. DW says:

    Here is the sort of incompetent commenting found at RRH:

    “He [Gillespie] has got to really get his voters out, because I think there will be a big turnout of North Va liberal Dems.”

    A big turnout of Ds in Northern VA?

    I wouldn’t have guessed it!

  236. NYCmike says:

    “What does Tammy Bruce have to do with Jared Kushner?”

    -Again, ask Robbie. You seem to be the fact-checking guy around here, FOR SOME POSTERS ANYWAY.

    He brought up Tammy Bruce again, as he has done many times before.

  237. NYCmike says:

    “Sorry, if you disliked.”

    -It is not a case of “dislike”.

    It is a case of factual evidence since January 20, 2017 showing you to be wrong.

    One candidate, NOW PRESIDENT, is actively trying to reverse the policies of the last 8 years.

  238. CG says:

    Did you use Tammy Bruce to bolster one of your claims before? That might explain it, but it seems to be an issue between the two of you.

    I just want to know what Robbie is alleged to have said about Kushner that might be anti-Semitic, so I can make up my own mind.

  239. NYCmike says:

    “I assume I would just be seen as a “troll” anyway if I did post here, so there’s not really a great need for me to do so.”

    -I have only had the word used AGAINST me, but pusillanimous, sanctimonious people.

    MOST have either left, or changed their tune.

    I did neither.

  240. NYCmike says:

    “but” should be “by”

  241. NYCmike says:

    “but” = I must have been thinking about GHWB!

  242. CG says:

    If I did post here more, I could not pretend to be a fan or admirer of Trump, so what would I have to gain out of it?

    I’ll stop by on occasion, and post my links to analysis of races, but don’t really see the point in a lot of back and forths. HHR clearly prefers echoes.

  243. NYCmike says:

    “Did you use Tammy Bruce to bolster one of your claims before?”

    -Yes, I believe I linked to an article by her.

    I guess she happened to make a silly remark, which is VERY VERY BAD! (ABU wags finger at Jerry Seinfeld!)

  244. CG says:

    So, nobody has any idea at all what Jonessy is talking about in regards to Jared Kushner and Robbie?

  245. NYCmike says:

    “If I did post here more, I could not pretend to be a fan or admirer of Trump, so what would I have to gain out of it?”

    -Who needs a “fan” or an “admirer”?

    Honest appraisals would be fine.

    You are incapable of that?

    Agreed, the air is very thin up there on the moral high ground you occupy….maybe it is affecting your brain.

  246. NYCmike says:

    “So, nobody has any idea at all what Jonessy is talking about in regards to Jared Kushner and Robbie?”

    I already said check June

  247. Wes says:

    DW, isn’t that basically a variation of a generic statement about ANY politician?

    X needs to get his/her vote out because Y will have a big turnout of his/her vote in Z area.

    Of course RRH “Republicans” actually said they disliked what Jerry Moran was doing in 2014, so consider the source.

  248. CG says:

    What was said in June?

    In all the times since June that JT has said that Robbie is an anti-Semite, he never mentioned anything about Kushner.

    But since JOnesey doesn’t seem to be on now, I guess I can’t get an answer.

  249. Wes says:

    I’ll come put and say while Robbie is an unhinged concern troll regarding Trump, I’ve never seen any evidence of anti-Semitism or any other form of bigotry on his part.

  250. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 5:18 pm
    “CG”,
    While I don’t think Robbie is an anti-semite, similar to Trump not being a racist of any sort, both have said things in certain contexts that others took as an offense.

    – Total BS. 100% BS, but you’re pushing more and more of it lately.

  251. DW says:

    250 – yep, that was a Captain Obvious moment.

  252. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 27, 2017 at 5:26 pm
    The GHWB issue is nonsense……but it was probably brought up because Robbie has not disavowed noted sexual deviant Mark Halperin, who he consistently links to over the last several years.

    – When are you going to disavow the sexual deviant Donald Trump?

  253. CG says:

    What did he say to you NYC that you took offense of or what do you think others took offense to?

    I told Robbie I took offense to the time he compared me to a Japanese soldier trying to kill Americans after WWII was over because I did not like Trump. So I can at least cite a specific example and besides, he probably doesn’t hold my view against me anymore.

  254. Wes says:

    If you and I get this race right, DW, someone needs to pick us up as a political analyst duo. We actually have a remarkably strong–though not perfect for those waiting to pounce–track record the last few years.

  255. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 27, 2017 at 5:44 pm
    I’ll come put and say while Robbie is an unhinged concern troll regarding Trump, I’ve never seen any evidence of anti-Semitism or any other form of bigotry on his part.

    – I see myself as more of a Trump hater than a concern troll.

    But thank you for your comments defending me on Jonesy moronic charges.

  256. Wes says:

    I have as much interest in whether or not GHWB groped a young woman as I have in whether or not Donald Trump ever put his hands on a woman’s vulva because she let him–that is to say, none.

  257. CG says:

    Y’all are predicted a Gillespie win? (I would love to see a true establishment Bush/Romney Republican like Gillespie win but I think the race probably leans Dem) I will make a final “prediction” on my blog next weekend.

  258. Wes says:

    You’re constantly predicting doom because of Trump regardless of evidence, Robbie. That’s being a concern troll.

    That said, I don’t believe you’re any fotm of bigot–or a gay man, as LisaB once alleged.

  259. Wes says:

    DW predicts Gillespie will win by 1-3, Corey. I say Gillespie wins by 1-4. Nearly identical predivtions.

  260. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    October 27, 2017 at 5:48 pm
    What did he say to you NYC that you took offense of or what do you think others took offense to?
    I told Robbie I took offense to the time he compared me to a Japanese soldier trying to kill Americans after WWII was over because I did not like Trump. So I can at least cite a specific example and besides, he probably doesn’t hold my view against me anymore.

    – Here’s what I said last winter. You made the decision not to give Trump a second chance after he won. I tried my best to give him a second look, but I gave up after the wiretap tweets.

    At the time (December, January, February), I felt continuing to wage the campaign against Trump was like the Japanese soldier who didn’t surrender for 30 years.

    Regardless, his presidency has provided plenty of reasons to oppose him.

  261. CG says:

    Right now, I think it would probably be Northam by about 4. It is surprising the Dems have not put that one away already. Again, I would like to see Gillespie win, but it will be hard to pull off. Trump tweeting in favor of him will not help in my view.

  262. NYCmike says:

    I state that Robbie is NOT an anti-semite, and he says “– Total BS. 100% BS, but you’re pushing more and more of it lately.”

    He doesn’t want me to say that?

  263. DW says:

    I haven’t weighed in on the GHW Bush thing. The guy is 93, wheelchair bound, declining health, and yet in the awkward position of still being a public figure. I would put some of the blame on his caretakers who should have corrected it when they saw it happen to prevent him from doing it again. I recall my own grandmother at that age who was still considered for the most part in her right mind, but she would say things openly and do things openly in regards to deportment that she never would have in her younger years. The difference is her conduct was private, whereas Bush still does photo-ops. Maybe his handlers should help him by keeping his remaining life more private.

  264. CG says:

    Second chance?

    The m’fer never deserved half a chance. But America does, so I will pray for the best.

  265. DW says:

    257 – I had the same thought earlier today.

  266. NYCmike says:

    “What did he say to you NYC that you took offense of or what do you think others took offense to?”

    -Don’t include me in this……this is the second time I said I don’t think Robbie is an anti-semite.

  267. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 27, 2017 at 5:53 pm
    You’re constantly predicting doom because of Trump regardless of evidence, Robbie. That’s being a concern troll.
    That said, I don’t believe you’re any fotm of bigot–or a gay man, as LisaB once alleged.

    – Sure. I believe Trump’s low approval rating, a factor which has always been the best predictor in midterm years, is going to be disastrous for Republicans IF it is as low on election day as it is now.

    My state of the case right now is this. The slow slide of Trump’s approval rating is going to continue and I fear it will settle around 30% to 33% by next Summer.

  268. NYCmike says:

    “That said, I don’t believe you’re any fotm of bigot–or a gay man, as LisaB once alleged.”

    -Wes,

    lisab honestly (as far as I could surmise on the internet) thought he was gay, and was surprised when Robbie said he looks at ladies on the internet.

    She did not “allege”, she was surprised to hear that she was wrong.

  269. Wobbles says:

    I fear it will settle around 30% to 33% by next Summer.”

    Full disclosure, I also predicted Trump would lose by a landslide and that the Senate was toast.

  270. DW says:

    “Northam by about 4. It is surprising the Dems have not put that one away already.”

    Not surprising at all. Most of the state of VA is still Alabama-red. The rapid growth in the DC suburbs the last decade has made winning here much more difficult, but it can still be done. Northam doesn’t really bring much to the table, and Gillespie nearly took out Warner.

    One of the reasons I hope Trump does drain the swamp by reducing the size of govt is so all the people Obama brought in to infest northern VA can go back to the Chicago cesspools from which they came so we can have our state back.

  271. CG says:

    I thought you came from New York.

  272. Robbie says:

    Wobbles says:
    October 27, 2017 at 6:00 pm
    I fear it will settle around 30% to 33% by next Summer.”
    Full disclosure, I also predicted Trump would lose by a landslide and that the Senate was toast.

    – Full disclosure, Jason also predicted Trump would lose. But after spending a year and a half attacking Trump, Jason decided to defend ALMOST everything he’s done just because he won.

  273. NYCmike says:

    According to “CG” and Robbie, conservatives stand for unlimited chain migration with unlimited welfare benefits.

    Got it.

    If NOT, what is your proposal, and are you closer to a Democrat policy proposal (unlimited st uff) or to the Cotton/Perdue proposal (strict)?

  274. CG says:

    That’s all for now. Maybe when Jonesey returns, he can explain the Kushner reference. Happy Halloween, “Chumps”

  275. DW says:

    274 – I grew up in NY. Left when Mario Cuomo turned the state into a liberal utopia and most of the good jobs fled the state leaving behind a welfare state with heavily taxed old money at one end and hand-to-mouth poverty at the other end and a shrinking middle class fighting for survival.

  276. DW says:

    And I openly admit I have yet to get accustomed to southern culture. I feel much more at home up north and the mid-west.

  277. DW says:

    Trump Job Approval- 47/51
    2018: GOP +3 (44/41)
    McLaughlin & Associates (10/10-14)
    http://mclaughlinonline.com/pols/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/National-Omnibus-10-13-17-Presentation-MA-Questions-Only.pdf

    Robbie hardest hit.

  278. Wobbles says:

    I would agree that if Trump’s approval rating is 30% right before the election it will be bad news for Rs.

    Wow, what brilliant analysis.

    However, Trump has lost very little of his base, if any, despite the relentless and dishonest MSM attacks on him, with many studies showing it coverage to be 95% negative, so there is really ZERO evidence or reason his numbers will go to 30%.

    Yeah it could happen, but its just as likely they could be higher. Probably more likely if the economy continues to do well.

  279. jason says:

    I agree with Wobbles.

  280. Robbie says:

    It’s extremely laughable for Jonesy to claim I have a problem with Jared Kushner. All anyone has to do is go back through the archives last Spring and note how many times I sided with Kushner’s effort to professionalize the White House staff and marginalize Steve Bannon.

    Kushner’s made some mistakes, like encouraging Trump to fire Comey in the way he did, but I think he’s tried to make the White House run well and attract as many high quality people as possible to work in the White House.

  281. Wobbles says:

    Trash this poll. It doesn’t fit my narrative.

    The four polls that came out recently all showing Trump above 40% are garbage.

    See Gallup… 38% .. .that is the right number.

    Thanks.

  282. Wes says:

    Mikey, I wish you owned a dictionary:

    allege
    [uh-lej]
    Spell Syllables
    Synonyms Examples Word Origin
    See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
    verb (used with object), alleged, alleging.
    1.
    to assert without proof.
    2.
    to declare with positiveness; affirm; assert:
    to allege a fact.
    3.
    to declare before a court or elsewhere, as if under oath.
    4.

    See Definition 2.

  283. Robbie says:

    Wobbles says:
    October 27, 2017 at 6:10 pm
    I would agree that if Trump’s approval rating is 30% right before the election it will be bad news for Rs.
    Wow, what brilliant analysis.
    However, Trump has lost very little of his base, if any, despite the relentless and dishonest MSM attacks on him, with many studies showing it coverage to be 95% negative, so there is really ZERO evidence or reason his numbers will go to 30%.
    Yeah it could happen, but its just as likely they could be higher. Probably more likely if the economy continues to do well.

    – Looks like Jason forget to switch screen names before he posted this.

    Anyway, GWB had 90% of the party supporting him on election day in 2006. The problem was his standing with Independents and it was terrible.

    The same applies with Trump. He’s got his party base with him, but his approval rating with Independents is terrible. And it was with Independents that Republicans built their House and Senate majorities in 2010 and 2014.

    Without Independents, it doesn’t matter how well Trump does with his own party.

  284. jason says:

    like encouraging Trump to fire Comey in the way he did”

    I love the MSM talking points.

    Trump could fire Comey at any time without giving a reason. He served at the discretion of the President.

    And the facts are, has anything been revealed since the firing that remotely indicates Trump was wrong to fire him? Anything?

  285. Robbie says:

    Wobbles says:
    October 27, 2017 at 6:12 pm
    Trash this poll. It doesn’t fit my narrative.
    The four polls that came out recently all showing Trump above 40% are garbage.
    See Gallup… 38% .. .that is the right number.
    Thanks.

    – Poor Jason. As I explained to him two days ago, the only two polls I don’t bother to believe are Zogby and Rasmussen. The others are just fine, especially when used in an average.

    Anyway, wow Trump’s in the low 40’s. Let’s party.

  286. jason says:

    Looks like Jason forget to switch screen names before he posted this.”

    Hmmm, is that why I said “I agree with Wobbles”.

    I tell you, I think Wobbie is getting smarter.

    Impossible you might say, but the proof is in the puddding.

    Sue me.

  287. Mr.Vito says:

    The Democrat number in Gallup party affiliation has been a better predictor than approval ratings, working in both in midterms and presidential years.

    They have not been indicative of a bad republican cycle so far this year.

  288. jason says:

    Anyway, wow Trump’s in the low 40’s. Let’s party.”

    LOL

    Just yesterday, when I said Trump was close to what he got in the GE, Wobbie had a conniption.

    Poor bastard, must be hard living the bitter life of still pining for Jeb Bush while the world passes you by.

  289. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 27, 2017 at 6:16 pm
    like encouraging Trump to fire Comey in the way he did”
    I love the MSM talking points.
    Trump could fire Comey at any time without giving a reason. He served at the discretion of the President.
    And the facts are, has anything been revealed since the firing that remotely indicates Trump was wrong to fire him? Anything?

    – Yes, he could fire Comey any time he wanted, but in the middle of him conducting an investigation into his own campaign was stupid. On top of that, it might have helped had Trump been able to keep his story straight as to why he fired Comey. He offered several different explanations in one week.

    And because of the circumstances surrounding Trump’s firing of Comey, he’s being investigated for obstruction of justice. Brilliant plan!

  290. Wes says:

    Nor has the empirical evidence of election results indicated a bad election for the GOP, Vito. Yes, weak Republicans won by reduced margins, but Republicans still won despite being weak.

    Look at 1993, 1994, and 2010 for canaries in the coal mine of impending doom.

  291. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 27, 2017 at 6:19 pm
    Anyway, wow Trump’s in the low 40’s. Let’s party.”
    LOL
    Just yesterday, when I said Trump was close to what he got in the GE, Wobbie had a conniption.
    Poor bastard, must be hard living the bitter life of still pining for Jeb Bush while the world passes you by.

    – I don’t believe Trump is really in the low forties, but yesterday you claimed he was in the mid-forties. Mid and low are different terms.

  292. Wes says:

    VA-Gov will likely be our best bellwether for 2018. If Gillespie wins, then we’re probably looking at 1970 Redux. If Northam wins by double digits, then, yes, 2018 may be another 1982 or similar election.

  293. jason says:

    ut yesterday you claimed he was in the mid-forties”

    No, I said he was in the low 40’s, with very little loss from what he got in the GE.

    You really are such a small minded idiot, fighting for every little point in polls tooth and nail, you can just see how it eats away at your guts to see anything positive for Trump.

    What a bitter and pathetic loser.

  294. Wes says:

    Bitterlaw’s favorite Senator is begging for a mistrial:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/26/politics/menendez-melgen-mistrial/index.html

  295. Wes says:

    That should get some people riled up. 😉

  296. jason says:

    I don’t believe Trump is really in the low forties”

    Of course not, it doesn’t fit your narrative, even though there are at least 5 polls in the last 3 weeks showing that.

    So at least now you admit you only believe in polls that support your pre-conceived vies.

    Honesty will set you free.

  297. Wes says:

    Just to block Jim…

  298. jason says:

    I don’t think Northam will win by double digits. It looks like it will be close.

  299. Bitterlaw says:

    111 He was busted 2 weeks ago. He resigned as President of the Board but refuses to resign from the Board itself. He can’t be forced out unless he is convicted. He is a Dem.

    Another Dem, a retired Commissioner, was just convicted of groping his 103 year old moth-in-law.

    There are 3 races this year. I expect the Dems to win 2 of the 3 because the hatred for Trump here, even among many Republican voters, is so strong.

  300. Wes says:

    DW and I are on record saying Gillespie wins, Jason. I’m going to say 50-47-3. Northam could have put this away but let Gillespie surge. Since then, Northam has been pretty pathetic in his responses while Gillespie has worked hard to define Northam and control the campaign narrative.

  301. Mr.Vito says:

    Regarding the McLaughlin poll…

    yes, if the party ID is D+3 in 2018, the GOP would have a decent night.

    These polls are all the same to me.

  302. Bitterlaw says:

    Even though I hate wife cheating McCain…I love wife cheating Trump.

    I fixed it for Jonesy.

  303. Mr.Vito says:

    Maybe we should just stop hating people quite so often…

  304. Mr.Vito says:

    More hate.

  305. NYCmike says:

    “Mikey, I wish you owned a dictionary:”

    -Last time I consulted Webster’s, it did not agree with your definition.

    I thought we were just doing it HHR-style!

  306. Wes says:

    Whites are fine to hate, Vito. A Facebook friend of mine asked if white men could be banned. Ordinarily I skip the lunatic invective of the Left by those of my friends on the Left. I reported her. Facebook responded saying it doesn’t violate any of their policies, but they understand why I might be offended.

    Racism doesn’t violate their of use now, I suppose.

    Good to know.

  307. Wes says:

    I posted the dictionary.com definitions, Mikey. Definition 2 clearly substantiates what I said.

  308. Tina says:

    Any thing new on muh russian?

    Did jfk get solved while I was out?

  309. janz says:

    “Maybe we should just stop hating people quite so often…

    Now that’s a novel idea!

    As for the elder Bush, I never liked him — so much so that I couldn’t vote for him. Something about him was simply creepy and off-putting, even though he is now extolled in terms of being iconic and a great statesman, especially by all the ex presidents.

    As for his groping women,,, I wouldn’t be surprised if that didn’t happen. However, strokes tend to change people’s emotions, making them more fragile and susceptible to their raw feelings. Also, the frontal cortex shrinks as one ages, leaving them with less control over their inhibitions. Both causes — one disease oriented, the other age — might create a physical/chemical environment where the elder Bush might become less disciplined and more frisky in his sexual conduct.

  310. Tina says:

    Is it just three for hw bush?

    Where is his family structure?

    Why is mute not speqking?

    Why is flu suggesting that everybody new?

    Why is halerime not dired from mslsd?

  311. Mr.Vito says:

    He and then his spokesman did not say ‘I had a lapse of my inhibitions, and I’m sorry, I would not normally do that.’ They did not even say it was a disgusting joke, or that it was inappropriate, or ‘what I was thinking?’

    They both said ‘well, he does it on purpose because his hand is there anyway and it is just a joke… if you are offended by someone patting your backside, then sorry about that.’

    Totally unsatisfactory and gross.

  312. Tina says:

    The Washington Free Beacon’s EIC is Matthew Joseph Continetti who is married to @BillKristol’s daughter Anne Elizabeth Kristol.
    4:04 PM – Oct 27, 2017

    They paid fusion, not for the dossier. Steel came much later.

  313. Mr.Vito says:

    If he has lost his inhibitions, you (1) come out and say so (2) you up front tell the woman what may be about to happen and whether she wants to be submitted to that for the price of a picture

  314. Mr.Vito says:

    (3) You don’t tell a joke announcing you are “Copping A feel” in front of everyone like, ‘hey, no biggie, amiright?’

  315. janz says:

    Time for Mueller to dismiss the Trump investigation.

    “In a court of law when it is discovered that evidence has been contaminated or a witness is lying, that evidence is thrown out.”

    In light of the newest charge that the DNC and the Clinton campaign may have broken a dozen federal election laws with the document, special counsel Robert Mueller has no choice but to dismiss the Trump investigation.

    I agree, but it won’t happen.

  316. janz says:

    Mr. Vito,

    Old men are forgiven because of their age. When they become sexually offensive to a young female, their actions are taken as an aging idiosyncrasy rather than an overt harassment.

  317. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    The Trump investigation came from real links to the Trump campaign and Russia including.

    Donald Jr. meeting with a Russian Spy.
    Paul Manafort being in hock to Russia/the Russian goverment to the tunes of millions.
    Him firing Comey for no reason other than the Russian investigation.

    And many other links.

    That Janz thinks that the dossier which is only marginally related to the investigation having some involvement with Hillary (and still it was initially ordered by a Republican) shows how completely bereft she is of critical thinking skills.

  318. Tina says:

    All the criticism of mueller is alraming, it was the gope, rinos, libtards, et.al that said he was beyondd reproach.

    Could it be because mueller has been focusing on jebots hillary?

  319. Tina says:

    Pinata, time to investigate clinton dossier and the russians.

    Duh.

  320. Bitterlaw says:

    If I did post here more, I could not pretend to be a fan or admirer of Trump, so what would I have to gain out of it?

    Proving that you’re not a p*ssy like Cutler.

    I am not a fan or admirer of President Trump. He is an embarrassment several times per week. I despise the man. However, he is the President and I keep hoping that he might rarely stumble into doing something right. I would be the biggest Trump hater here if it wasn’t for crazy Robbie. He takes it to a whole new level.

  321. Tina says:

    Janz, notice wsj editorial now pushing for mueller to resign. What was the wsj opinion in may?

  322. janz says:

    Tina,

    Mueller was the FBI Director at the time of the Uranium deal. Rothstein was also in the mix, as was Holder. It’s a tight little group that keeps recycling through the bureaucratic, political system. It’s no wonder refreshing eyes and fair justice is not a characteristic of DC.

  323. Bitterlaw says:

    I believe that Robbie posted something critical of Kushner. Jonesy interpreted it as being anti-Semitic because Kushner is Jewish. I thought it was a baseless accusation.

  324. Mr.Vito says:

    “Old men are forgiven because of their age. When they become sexually offensive to a young female, their actions are taken as an aging idiosyncrasy rather than an overt harassment.”

    No, they are not ‘forgiven’. They are ‘tolerated’ because it is excused in this way, and plenty of them are just pervs that use it as an excuse to do it.

  325. janz says:

    Tina, I saw that opinion WSJ opinion piece. I don’t remember their opinion, one way or the other, earlier on in the investigation.

    BTW, I have a suspicion that TrumpIsPeteWilson is MD under a pseudonym.

  326. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not think that Robbie has to apologize for any past Russia posts as the information released this week was not known when he posted.

    However, if he continues to push the Russia stories, he deserves all the heat that he gets.

  327. Bitterlaw says:

    Maybe we should just stop hating people quite so often…

    What a terrible thing for an A-hole to say.

  328. Tina says:

    Janz, stay tuned.

  329. Tina says:

    Tick tock, tick tock…

  330. Tina says:

    THe claim that the republican group paid for the dossier initialky is untrue.

    Steele was not hired at the time

  331. Robbie says:

    So it turns out the Washington Free Beacon initially contracted with FusionGPS to start the Trump dossier and it was funded by Paul Singer, a major Marco Rubio donor who funded Rubio’s dark money superpac.

    Ha!

  332. Bitterlaw says:

    Bitterlaw’s favorite Senator is begging for a mistrial

    Poor stupid lying Wes. He knows that I said repeatedly that I hope Menendez is convicted. I remind him of it every time he makes these stupid posts.

  333. janz says:

    Mr. Vito,

    My observation of “old men” was derived from my first job working in a nursing home as a 16 year old nurse’s aide. I was so naive, and so many of the old men there typified the “dirty old men” sketches seen on the older SNLs.

  334. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    The dossier was only incidentally related to Mueller’s investigation as it was released by CNN from a BRitish-based source.

    The main causes for the Russian investigation are again:

    Trump’s suspect firing of Comey for no other reason than the Russian investigation which Trump explicitly stated.

    Donald Jr.’s meeting with a Russian Spy.

    Paul Manafort’s and other important Trump campaign deputy financial dealings with Russia.

    The independently verified conclusion of intelligence agencies that Russia sought to help trump win.

    And many more red flags.

    ****

    That Janz somehow thinks the dossier having links to Hillary (despite being initially funded by a Republican) is enough to warrant dismissal shows how completely faulty her reasoning is.

    One wonders why Janz chooses to embarass herself so completely. Does she truly lack any kind of independent thought?

    No wonder her son turned out to be a junkie. Mom was too busy lying to herself.

  335. Mr.Vito says:

    janz, I know several women that work in geriatric care

  336. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Yes, we get it Janz, you internalized all the abuse you took and became an enabler for the biggest sexual predator of all in the oval office.

    You seriously need therapy, maybe even more than Tina.

  337. Tina says:

    Facts steele used kremlin officials as sources for the dossier.

  338. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 27, 2017 at 7:58 pm
    I do not think that Robbie has to apologize for any past Russia posts as the information released this week was not known when he posted.

    However, if he continues to push the Russia stories, he deserves all the heat that he gets.

    – We’ll agree to disagree. Donnie Jr. met with Russian agents under the pretense they were going to give him dirt on Clinton. On top of that, the NYT reported today the Russian lawyer who met with Donnie Jr allowed the document she gave to Donnie Jr to be approved by the Kremlin. To suggest there’s nothing to see here is laughable. It’s not concrete evidence of collusion, but it certainly shows contacts. And contacts by the way that Trump and Donnie Jr both lied about until the emails were released.

  339. Phil says:

    She enabled Bill Clinton?

  340. Tina says:

    Facts, steele not hired until june of 2016.

    Dossier paid for by hillary and fbi.

    Dossier sources were kremlin officials.

  341. mnw says:

    I work with an interior designer/realtor. She says that both of her businesses have never been better in her life; that she can’t keep up; and that for the first time ever SHE’S THINKING OF HIRING SOMEONE to help her handle all the new business.

    Good luck convincing voters that the economy actually sucks, DEMs. “Us or your lying eyes?” kind of thing.

  342. janz says:

    #321 “The Trump investigation came from real links to the Trump campaign and Russia including.

    Donald Jr. meeting with a Russian Spy.
    Paul Manafort being in hock to Russia/the Russian goverment to the tunes of millions.
    Him firing Comey for no reason other than the Russian investigation.”

    Produce the links.

    As for the Donald Jr. meeting — many are saying it was a “set-up,” very much like Comey showing the Dossier to Trump, is being mused as another “set-up,” to then leaking it’s misinformatin to the press. Paul Manafort now is being linked to the Clinton campaign via the Podesta brothers. And, the firing of Comey was totally within the President’s jurisdiction and right to do so. His big mistake was not doing this at the get go of his presidency, instead of waiting so long.

  343. Tina says:

    First time we have had b 2b 3percent gdp.

    The sf bay area economy is booming.

  344. Phil says:

    Give it up Robbie. Mueller is not going to pin collusion with the Russians on Donald Trump and drive him from office. Isn’t happening. Try winning elections instead.

  345. janz says:

    TrumpIsPeteWilson language is totally like MD’s. You’re a truly sad creature of the web.

  346. Tina says:

    So while an r campaign used fusion, fusion had no dossier in jan, fev, march, or april.

    Hillary hired fusion in june, gop geoup ended in april.

    Steele was not hired until june. Steele is the architect for the dossier.

  347. Tina says:

    Yeah, mueller is going to charge trump for firing the fbi director, after sessions and rosenstein drafted letters saying comedy was incompeteent over his handling of the clinton emails.

    Sounds plausible in loon land

  348. Wes says:

    Ironically a lawyer lacked the mental acuity to look at the post immediately below the one that triggered him.

    If I ever need an attorney in PA, Bitter, I will be asking for your firm’s number–so I can know to call another one for competent representation.

  349. Bitterlaw says:

    I tried to help Robbie. He cannot be helped. It is sad when an A-hole can’t release the pressure here.

  350. Wes says:

    340 is an absolutely sleazy post. Rarely do I call for bans, but I feel that one deserves one.

  351. Wes says:

    I thought 340 was bad. Then I saw 338. TIPW is a typical leftist in knowing no depths of sleaze to which he will not sink.

  352. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – You have repeatedly claimed that I like Menendez. You know that is a lie.

    Why would I take you as a client? You are the worst kind of client possible. You think that you know more than you do. You are wrong when you think it. You are incapable of controlling yourself. I would never let you near a courtroom.

    However, you know a great deal about electoral history.

  353. Mr.Vito says:

    “So it turns out the Washington Free Beacon initially contracted with FusionGPS to start the Trump dossier”

    You are racking up the pinocchios today.

    NYTimes:

    “According to people briefed on the conversation, the website hired the firm, Fusion GPS, in October 2015 to unearth damaging information about several Republican presidential candidates, including Mr. Trump. But The Free Beacon told the firm to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination.

    In April 2016, Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee also retained Fusion GPS to research any possible connections between Mr. Trump, his businesses, his campaign team and Russia. Working for them, Fusion GPS retained a respected former British spy named Christopher Steele.”

    So, it was general opposition research on all candidates according to NYTimes, until the primary was basically settled. Steele, the dossier, and Russians came after Hillary and the DNC.

  354. Phil says:

    351

    Bingo, Tina.

    Absolutely fantasyland.

  355. Phil says:

    355

    Amen, Wes.

  356. Wes says:

    You were too stupid to avoid falling into the trap I outright said I laid for you, Bitter. If you’re that unobservant on here, how the hell can any client expect you to put together a competent case for trial?

  357. Bitterlaw says:

    I would also not hire you as a massage therapist. In workers compensation cases, we know that when the Claimant is down to being treated by the massage therapist that they are not injured and need to get back to work. No more reputable than chiropractors.

    I also have no interest in being touched by a man. Of course, you probably have no problem touching men for the right price. Sort of like Tink.

  358. Tina says:

    Phil, i should add that both also testified that comedy was incompetent.

  359. Wes says:

    The relevant posts:

    Wes says:
    October 27, 2017 at 6:28 pm
    Bitterlaw’s favorite Senator is begging for a mistrial:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/26/politics/menendez-melgen-mistrial/index.html

    Wes says:
    October 27, 2017 at 6:30 pm
    That should get some people riled up. ?

    That was too easy–even when I said what I was doing.

  360. Mr.Vito says:

    “340 is an absolutely sleazy post. Rarely do I call for bans, but I feel that one deserves one.

    I thought 340 was bad. Then I saw 338. TIPW is a typical leftist in knowing no depths of sleaze to which he will not sink.”

    That low-life isn’t even worth the effort anymore.

  361. Bitterlaw says:

    You were too stupid to avoid falling into the trap I outright said I laid for you, Bitter. If you’re that unobservant on here, how the hell can any client expect you to put together a competent case for trial?

    Because I know your history, Delicate Flower. You have repeatedly posted that I support Menendez and never claimed that it was a joke. Not once.

  362. GPO says:

    Reading parts one and two of link below makes my blood boil – these Hollywood people are disgusting. If they treated any other group like they treat conservatives there would be hearings.

    http://www.breitbart.com/tinseltown/

  363. Wes says:

    90% of my therapy clients are female, Bitter. I look at them and the men the same way–as bodies needing or wanting a specific treatment. I don’t mind touching guys because I dissociate myself from sexuality while working. That’s what I was trained to do.

    Many men don’t want male therapists touching thrm. That’s find. It’s client right of refusal, and I do not judge those uncomfortable with receiving treatment from a man.

  364. Wes says:

    Bitterlaw is upset he fell into an obvious trap and has to resort to namecalling to cover his own stupidity.

    How droll! 🙂

  365. Wes says:

    Them*

    Fine*

  366. Bitterlaw says:

    That should get some people riled up. ?

    Lying does get me riled up. Your failed humor would have worked better if you had not repeated the lie for months that I support Menendez without ever claiming it was a joke.

  367. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes thinks that slavery was not evil because he reveres the slave owning history of the South.

    That should get some people riled up.

  368. Wes says:

    Keep dogging, Bitter. You would have been better off saying my attempt to trigger you hadn’t worked. Instead, you walked blithely into the trap and doubled down. Now you’re so committed to your initial reaction you just can’t admit you were wrong and move on.

  369. Wes says:

    Bitterlaw with his tired refrain any time I get under his skin:

    https://giphy.com/gifs/south-park-violent-literal-wSU1U3h1PFFsc

    You really should find new material.

  370. Wes says:

    See, Bitter? That’s the way to respond to something like your post. You’re too unimaginative and thin skinned to think of some fresh retort though.

  371. Bitterlaw says:

    In Pennsylvania, insurance carriers can order Utilization Reviews where an independent provider of treatment determines whether treatment is reasonable or necessary. The treatment that I see called unreasonable and unnecessary the most often is massage therapy. The funny thing is that this determination is rendered by other massage therapists.

    Maybe Wes is one of the rare good ones. Sort of like the stripper going to med school instead of the ones with abusive history or substance abuse problems.

  372. Bitterlaw says:

    You really should find new material.

    Wes posts dozens of times that I support Menendez and knows it is a lie. Now he makes the exact same point but claims this one time it was a joke.

  373. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes thinks that slavery was not evil because he reveres the slave owning history of the South.

    I fixed it. I actually meant it. It was not a joke.

  374. Bitterlaw says:

    Delicate Flower is trapped. He has to admit that he did honestly level the accusation that I support Menendez many times and knew that those posts were lies OR

    Pretend that his alleged joke was incomprehensible and therefore not an apparent joke.

  375. Bitterlaw says:

    Janz – I asked earlier but did not see a response. I was very sorry to hear about your son’s difficulties.

  376. Wes says:

    Massage therapy falls under holistic medicine with a number of different modalities. If a person goes to a spa seeking a Swedish massage, then, yes, that would be unreasonable or unnecessary–especially if contraindicated for an existing condition like cancer.

    If, however, a client sees a therapist specializing in therapeutic massage, then, depending on the condition, it may well be a reasonable or beneficial treatment. Each case, of course, would be different.

    I have refused clients before because they sought treatments contraindicated by the conditions listed on their disclosure forms. I have also treated clients because they sought palliative care consistent with their conditions.

    Each case is an individual one requiring full knowledge by all parties to know if treatment is appropriate.

  377. Robbie says:

    CNN reports that Robert Mueller has obtained sealed indictments in his investigation late today. According to the report, plans were being made to arrest the person or persons indicted by Monday.

  378. lisab says:

    Yale ‘decolonizes’ English dept. after complaints studying white authors ‘actively harms’ students

    Previous requirements for the major included two courses in “Major English Poets,” including Chaucer, Shakespeare, Donne, Milton and Eliot, among others. But that two-course series petitioners had deemed actively harmful due to its focus on white male poets. The series is no longer a graduation requirement for Yale’s English majors.

    The petition, a Google document which has since been made private, critiqued the perceived whiteness of the English department requirements: “A year spent around a seminar table where the literary contributions of women, people of color, and queer folk are absent actively harms all students, regardless of their identity.”

  379. Wes says:

    I didn’t pretend anything. I typed what I typed. You responded as I expected and launched into your tired routine. Acknowledging the totality of what I typed would have benefited you. You weren’t observant enough to avoid being triggered–the exact outcome I in fact said I wanted.

  380. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Do you want to pretend that you never posted in the past that I support Menendez and meant it?

  381. Robbie says:

    Paul Manafort is currently headed for a safe house where a stash of rubles and a burner phone awaits him. From there, a small plane will ferry him from remote grass strip to remote grass strip before heading for the friendly confines of Cuba.

    At least that’s how Phillip got Marta out of the country on the The Americans last season.

  382. Bitterlaw says:

    Each case is an individual one requiring full knowledge by all parties to know if treatment is appropriate.

    I think it is a waste of time and money. However, some lazy people will sometimes get a judge to believe that they are hurt and can’t return to work based on useless massage therapy.

  383. Wes says:

    Bitter, Bitter, Bitter, I do know how much you love places dominated by corrupt leftwingers, but do you really think I haven’t been having a lot of fun triggering by linking you to Menendez despite your repeated statements of being a lifelong straight-ticket Republican?

  384. janz says:

    #379. I didn’t see your earlier post.

    My son is sober and doing great. His drug of choice was weed – constantly stoned in his late teens. He’s a brilliant guy, IQ of 151, but was bored, restless, direction less. He currently has a steady girlfriend, a job he likes and is a really good-hearted person. I’m proud of him.

    Thanks for inquiring about him, bitter.

  385. Tina says:

    Massage therapy has its benefits. It can increase pregnancy, as an example, as can ither alt. Treatments.

  386. Wes says:

    Something that requires 1000 hours of hands-on training and thousands more hours of CE for maintenance of a state-issued license is something Bitterlaw considers to be useless.

    Closeminded and ill-informed much?

  387. Bitterlaw says:

    Here is a list (get ready, Tina)

    Biggest scams claimed by allegedly injured workers:

    I have fibromyalgia. – An alleged condition where no two doctors can agree upon the symptoms or cause.

    I need chiropractic care. – No. You need an orthopedic surgeon or no care at all.

    Chronic fatigue syndrome. – We’re all tired. Suck it up.

  388. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Don’t worry wes. You can white knight Janz all you want. Then when tens of thousands more Americans die of the opioid epidemic because Trump didn’t do anything (maybe even including Janz own son), you can feign the same kind of false outrage you did over the death of your ex-girlfriend.

    Then you can make some histrionic periodic posts about how awful this place is a few times a year before coming back and acting like nothing ever happened.

    To be a republican in Trump’s world is to be an enabler and helpless: replacing empathy for narcissism and lies.

  389. Tina says:

    Weed is a dangerous drug. Weed today is not weed of the 1960s.

    Moreover, weed often keads to other drugs, or cominations.

    That is a blessing that he obercame that, janz.

  390. Tina says:

    Enabler is a jebot word.

  391. Bitterlaw says:

    It can increase pregnancy, as an example,

    If Wes is the therapist. You could say the same thing about fixing cars if Wes is the mechanic.

  392. Tina says:

    You obviously do not know much, bl.

  393. Bitterlaw says:

    do you really think I haven’t been having a lot of fun triggering by linking you to Menendez despite your repeated statements of being a lifelong straight-ticket Republican?

    No. You’re not that clever. Good attempt to salvage yourself, though.

  394. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Janz believes the Russian lawyer who is now reported by multiple sources to have shared details of the meeting with the Kremlin was a set-up.

    What a stupendous idiot you are.

  395. Bitterlaw says:

    You obviously do not know much, bl.

    You obviously have not dealt with cases of injured workers who had their benefits stopped when the judge realized that the only people who would “treat” them were massage therapists. I have.

  396. Wes says:

    So, TIPW has the schtick of insulting people based on personal tragedy now.

    I’d call him a vile human being, but I wouldn’t want to insult that subset of humanity.

  397. Tina says:

    If you are stating that there is fraud in wc, in a previous job, i was an investigator in ca.

  398. Tina says:

    However, massage therapists in my area are legit. They are licensed and offen practice in a dr ofice.

  399. Wes says:

    No attempt at self-salvaging at all, Bitter–unlike an attorney who claims not to be a bigot while making multiple bigoted remarks.

  400. janz says:

    Yes, tina, achieving sobriety takes fortitude. With so many states, though, legalizing marijuana, I think we are in for some troubled times ahead. Medicinally there is a place for cannibis. But, when abused recreationally, especially when people are young, it can set up negative patterns of behavior that are difficult to break.

  401. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    LoL her son smoked weed. She made it seem like he had an actual problem. Her grasp on reality is fast and loose.

    For a libertarian, now all of a sudden you feel bad for someone exercising what most libertarians is a fundamental human right?

    He probably still does weed but doesn’t share it with mommy who lives in her own lala world where Trump is a beacon of truth and honor.

  402. Bitterlaw says:

    feign the same kind of false outrage you did over the death of your ex-girlfriend.

    I do not think that Dave should ban TPW. I think that Dave should let Wes know who he is and then Wes should lure him into Pennsylvania. Wes should then beat the crap out of him. I will represent Wes for free. If he can get him into Radnor, I can probably get the cops to not file charges.

  403. Wes says:

    If massage therapy is a fraud, as Bitterlaw claims, then he should lead a movement to have it made illegal.

  404. Tina says:

    WE are in troubke because of the legalization, janz, that is so obvious.

  405. Tina says:

    I actualky busted a lot of drs in wc fraud.

  406. Wes says:

    You know, Bitter, for that statement in 407, I’m going to apologize for intentionally antagonizing you and cease arguing with you now.

  407. Bitterlaw says:

    unlike an attorney who claims not to be a bigot while making multiple bigoted remarks.

    Southerners are not a protected race or class, Wes. Boo hoo. Bitter doesn’t like our weather, accents, or history. Boo hoo. We poor Southerners are like Rosa Parks on the bus.

  408. Bitterlaw says:

    411 Damn it, Wes. I was typing 412 while you were typing 411.

    Let’s table our discussion and tell TPW to F off together.

  409. Tina says:

    Tick tock, boom.

    Mueller charges somebody, sealed until monday.

  410. Wes says:

    412 almost makes me want to retract 411, but, no, it doesn’t rise to the level of making me go back on my word.

  411. Bitterlaw says:

    The only people who defend pot as a human right are pot smokers. Stone cold losers. Except for the ones on chemo or some other condition.

  412. Wes says:

    I agree with 413. There will be no further arguments tonight between Bitter snd me.

  413. Bitterlaw says:

    We have the same fights every few weeks, Wes. No need to lose sight of the common purpose of telling TPW to F off.

  414. Wes says:

    If people want to smoke pot recreationally, I don’t care. I have no interest in drugs myself.

  415. Tina says:

    Thank goodness, no further arguments between my 2favorite posters on some days.

  416. Mr.Vito says:

    407, 411… I think he may have gotten into some of the laced weed Tina mentioned.

  417. Wes says:

    TIPW unites all HHR against him with his sleazy behavior.

  418. janz says:

    IMO massage therapy can be a helpful component in healing. Eastern medicine utilizes said practices as massage and acupuncture that can actually complement more Western approaches. In a nursing CE class I once took a “touch for health” class which I applied in nursing rounds, decreasing the need for sleeping pills. So, I think Wes has made some valid points.

  419. Mr.Vito says:

    I don’t know what massage therapists do… I know that massage is part of physical and occupational therapy, so I could understand how someone could specialize in it.

  420. Wes says:

    Palliative touch has remarkable salutory effects, Janz. Knowing where and how to touch someone to treat pain or produce calm requires a tremendous amount of skill and practice and can do much both for elevation of mood and for overall well being.

  421. Wes says:

    I’ve never had a desire to be an acupuncturist; however, I have had acupuncture treatments before. I actually achieved the desired goal while receiving the treatment. Whether I did so because I was calm enough during the session to believe I had received a successful treatment through a mental placebo effect or because the needles and breathing did as advertised I don’t know. I achieved the desired effect though.

  422. janz says:

    I totally agree, Wes. There is so much to be learned and medicinally used, outside the box of surgery and pills, that Western medicine relies on as their curative means.

  423. janz says:

    Wes, My husband and I have both had accupuncture too for physical maladies, and the treatments have helped.

  424. NYCmike says:

    Wes put an emoji face thingie in the next comment after his silly menendez post……bitterlaw should have read more before reacting.

    Verdict: touchy guy wins this round. HANDS DOWN!

  425. Bitterlaw says:

    In fairness to Wes and Janz, there would be no point to me trying anything other than straight forward medicine. I am not receptive to the possibility anything else works, especially things that I have seen used by lazy workers.

    I am not normal. While some people want to avoid antibiotics, I ask for them “just in case.”

  426. NYCmike says:

    My wife and I does hot wax treatments…..neither one of us has a license…..both of us feel great after “treatment”.

  427. NYCmike says:

    *do*

  428. Bitterlaw says:

    Wow. I can never unread that.

  429. Mr.Vito says:

    I know a girl that does window treatments. She’s a pane specialist.

  430. NYCmike says:

    Dang, two glasses of WINE really hit the spot!

    GFY, Bitter! It is MANLY!

  431. NYCmike says:

    Vito, my wife loved that joke. I told her I wrote it

  432. Mr.Vito says:

    “Vito, my wife loved that joke.”

    She must have had two glasses of wine, too.

  433. Bitterlaw says:

    A lot of people hide from themselves, NYC.

  434. Mr.Vito says:

    He disappeared. Maybe they decided it was time for a treatment.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erh2ngRZxs0

  435. Tina says:

    The halpwrin stuff keeps coming. 12women come forward now.

  436. Tina says:

    Monday. More tck tock, tick toxk…

  437. jason says:

    “Then when tens of thousands more Americans die of the opioid epidemic because Trump didn’t do anything”

    I don’t understand how the problem wasn’t solved yet if Obama was President for 8 years.

    He stopped the oceans from rising….surely he could have fixed the opioid problem.

  438. Wobbles says:

    Leon Panetta says investigate Hillary and the dossier payments.

    What a waste of time, did you hear what Trump said in 1970?

  439. NYCmike says:

    It looks like my star fantasy WR is very sensitive, and the “offensive” remarks from his boss made him walk out on work today……hopefully he takes it out on Richard Sherman instead this Sunday.

  440. NYCmike says:

    “She must have had two glasses of wine, too.”

    🙂

  441. lisab says:

    Maybe Halperin did things that Robbie thought of doing when he was looking at internet ladies, which took lisab by surprise.
    ———————————-

    yeah i was surprised …

    my guess was that he was ridden by more bears than a bicycle in a russian circus

  442. Trump says:

    Muh Russia. Muh Indictments. Muh individuals flipping and incriminating me.

  443. NYCmike says:

    Did Robbie give another “HA” over a connection to the Rubio campaign? Jeez, what a kook he is turning into.

  444. NYCmike says:

    “my guess was that he was ridden by more bears than a bicycle in a russian circus”

    -Allegedly.

  445. Chicon says:

    Tina, if there is an indictment Monday, what makes think it is a dem? I’d bet either Flynn or Manafort.

  446. Chicon says:

    450. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  447. lisab says:

    i have had acupuncture a bunch of times, but i like cupping therapy more

    it seems to have more effect on me

    but it does leave you looking rather like a leopard

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leK9xII2R-0

  448. Chicon says:

    453 – Robbie writes more than he reads.

  449. lisab says:

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
    ————————————

    not at all …

    i’m just surprised he follows victoria secret models twitter accounts …

    of course, that is rather like buying playboy for the articles

  450. lisab says:

    cnn was claiming the the r’s funded the dossier and that hillary’s and the dems involvement was minimal

    they do not want to talk about it at all obviously

    but even they had to mention it

  451. Tina says:

    Chicon, who knows, but hannity put up,the tick tock.

    Trump just tweeted something.

    I am doing limoncello now.

  452. Tina says:

    I put a tick tock up well before hannity though. Well before the indictments.

    I am drinking more limoncello.

  453. Chicon says:

    Doesn’t Hannity do that almost every day?

  454. Tina says:

    Why Would trump tweet that.

    Just why.?

    Why?

    Why?

  455. Tina says:

    Everdya, no, often whenhe has sig. nees.

  456. Tina says:

    Significant news, sorry.

  457. lisab says:

    can someone translate #465 into english?

  458. Trump says:

    Why would I do anything that I do?

  459. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/Joy_Villa

    -Robbie,

    Trump is inspiring Christians!

  460. Chicon says:

    President Pence by year-end. Robbie to seek treatment for priapism

  461. Paul says:

    #465 Limoncellos have kicked in 🙂

  462. Charles says:

    I’m ok with President Pence!

  463. Chicon says:

    Good to know, Chuck.

  464. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    First Charges filed under sealed indictment.

    Shoe to drop on Monday.

    So much for Janz and Tina’s fantasy of “Muh Russia” being nothing.

    Nothing more than a bunch of shriveled up old women that have gotten use to enabling dirty old men.

  465. jason says:

    I’m ok with President Reagan.

  466. Mr.Vito says:

    Janz and Tina are Hillary and Huma?

  467. Paul says:

    I’m ok with President Kasich.

  468. Paul says:

    If anything, Trump’s video tweet tonight only tells me it is likely bad news for him.

  469. Paul says:

    Who,shat on my lawn? .

  470. lisab says:

    First NFL Player Stages Walkout, Says Something Massive Coming Sunday

    According to Yahoo Sports, the entire Texans team considered a walkout today but only star receiver DeAndre Hopkins actually did it.

    And then it gets even more nuts, Texans offensive tackle Duane Brown said McNair’s comments sickened” him and claimed the whole team is planning something for Sunday to protest the owner.

    “This is bigger than just the protests,” Brown said, “This is the view of player-owner relationship. This is how you view us. You’re an inmate, we can’t let you guys out of line. We can’t let you speak for yourself. We can’t let you have your own beliefs. That’s what it feels like. It’s a bad situation.”

  471. Paul says:

    How many handles does Coree use?

  472. lisab says:

    Trump Tells State Department to Release All Remaining Hillary Clinton Emails

  473. Cash Cow TM says:

    “janz says:
    October 27, 2017 at 7:50 pm
    Mr. Vito,

    Old men are forgiven because of their age. When they become sexually offensive to a young female, their actions are taken as an aging idiosyncrasy rather than an overt harassment.”
    ***********************************
    Say…does Walt know about this?

  474. Cash Cow TM says:

    “janz says:
    October 27, 2017 at 7:50 pm
    Mr. Vito,

    Old men are forgiven because of their age. When they become sexually offensive to a young female, their actions are taken as an aging idiosyncrasy rather than an overt harassment.”
    ***********************************
    Say…does Walt know about this?

  475. Bitterlaw says:

    If age was an excuse, there is literally nothing that Walt can’t get away with.

  476. Mr.Vito says:

    “Virginia Republican gubernatorial nominee Ed Gillespie is denouncing as an “ugly character smear” comparisons between his campaign and the white nationalists who rallied in Charlottesville, Va., in August.

    On Friday, a tweet from CNN contributor and former Hillary Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon captioned a picture of those neo-Nazis as a “live look at Ed Gillespie campaign strategy meeting.”

    Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, the Democratic nominee for governor, had defended a similar comparison two days earlier.”

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/357577-gillespie-calls-tweets-comparing-campaign-to-neo-nazis-a-smear

  477. janz says:

    I find it a strange coincidence that as soon as the uranium and dossier scandals are heating up for Clinton, and people are starting to call for Mueller to resign, sealed indictments suddenly appear.

  478. Hugh says:

    This is going to be a long painfully annoying process and when done everyone will be unhappy.

  479. lisab says:

    reddit politics are pretty sure the indictment is against trump

    or

    his closest advisors

  480. Chicon says:

    Lisa, I don’t believe the President can be indicted while in office.

  481. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon – I don’t feel like looking it up but I think criminal charges could be brought. I remember Clinton trying to avoid a civil deposition while in office on the same theory. He was deposed. It may be that a trial cannot take place. Ask lisab o google it.

  482. Bitterlaw says:

    Maybe they are indicting all 27,000 people involved in the JFK assassination plot.

  483. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Jan says such f*cking stupid thinks, she must be a bot.

    What an amazing revelation that after months of scrupulous investigation, Mueller was able to get almost instantly an indictment for Hillary Clinton over a uranium deal done years ago that Republicans ignored until a week ago.

  484. Paul says:

    It takes a village to keep a conspiracy quiet.

  485. lisab says:

    it cannot be good news for trump or they would have released it today to avoid the news cycle

    the dems seem to think it is trump or his inner circle

  486. lisab says:

    they believe that the uranium one and dossier revelations are trump’s attempt at distracting from the indictments

  487. lisab says:

    some claim it will be manafort

    one of the assistant district attournies from his district was forced out today or quit

    and is supposed to be related

  488. lisab says:

    if hillary goes down she will take half the party with her

    so it cannot be her

  489. lisab says:

    BERNSTEIN: TRUMP OFFICIALS FACING ‘20, 30, 40, OR 50 YEARS FOR WHATEVER THESE CRIMES ARE’

    ‘Mueller wants to send a signal to other perspective defendants’

    cnn

  490. lisab says:

    GERGEN: ‘CERTAINLY LOOKS LIKE THE DAMN IS ABOUT TO BREAK’ ON THE TRUMP ADMIN.

  491. Phil says:

    Bernstein says officials faces 20, 30, 40, 50 years but doesn’t know what the crimes are.

    Yeah, that makes sense. Great piece of journalism.

  492. lisab says:

    but doesn’t know what the crimes are.
    ————————————–

    the crime of not voting for hillary

  493. Mr.Vito says:

    “some claim it will be manafort”

    That isn’t good news for Dems either, since he is tied to the Podesta group.

  494. lisab says:

    my feeling is mueller hired a bunch of hillary lawyers, so his goal is to bring down trump

    it will be almost a year since the election, so the anniversary looms large over the dems, they cannot let the election stand

    the media is ready to go all in on destroying trump, not that they have not tried already but the indictments will give them the excuse to attack

    suddenly trump is being accused by women again

    and

    even the nfl looks like it might strike over trump

    it looks like the dems are massing for a charge … but whether it is picket’s charge or the 20th maine’s remains to be seen

  495. lisab says:

    That isn’t good news for Dems either, since he is tied to the Podesta group.
    ———————————

    it is possible that mueller is going after podesta

    but …

    he has every reason and has shown every indication — by hiring hillary linked lawyers, that he is going for trump

    imagine the book deal he would get if he goes after trump! he will be the darling of the media. he will never want for money and could expect a big job for much dollars somewhere

    if he goes after a hillary person, his job ends, there is no book deal, and maybe he gets hired as a law professor somewhere — that is if the media does not destroy him.

    the only other bet would be he says, “nope, did not really find anything except for these low level scape-goats … er … i mean not famous people who no one will care about … now leave me alone while i retire to hawaii.”

    if i had to bet, i think he is going for the big money

  496. lisab says:

    btw, i am not predicting mueller will be successful

    just that i think he is going after trump

    and successful or not he will make big money

  497. lisab says:

    and … politics will become hyper-partisan for the next year, worse than now

  498. JC says:

    Anyone who thinks Mueller is going to do anything that would implicate the left, no matter how much evidence he finds, is quite frankly living in a fantasy world.

    This is easily one of the most corrupt abuses of power we’ve ever seen. We effectively have a shadow DOJ doing everything it can to get rid of the president. That’s the whole purpose of this probe. There was no crime committed and they know it.

    They know this BS collusion story is fake. But it provides an convenient excuse to open a never ending probe to hunt for something, anything, to impeach Trump.

    Mueller knows why he is there, and it’s not to rat out democratic corruption. It’s all about destroying Trump

  499. JC says:

    lisab says:
    October 28, 2017 at 2:04 am
    and … politics will become hyper-partisan for the next year, worse than now
    —————————

    In the last 11 months democrats have done more harm to our democracy than any foreign power ever could.

    There’s one thing that has held us together as a nation, and that’s the belief that our votes matter and election outcomes should be respected. We may not like the results, but we accept them and allow the victors to excercise their constitutional rights with the understanding that when our side wins, we receive the same courtesy.

    This is no longer the case. The dem party has taken the official position that election results they don’t like simply shouldn’t count. They deny Trump as their president. They orchestrated pointless recounts. They claimed the votes were hacked. They tried to game the electoral college. And they have spent the entire year pushing fake collusion stories to convince people that he is illegitimate.

    We currently have an unrestricted investigation initiated by fake dossiers and zero evidence targeting the president.

    Where do we go from here? The ruling class has simply decided that our votes don’t matter. They’ve decided that if they don’t like the results, they’ll simply try to overturn them by any means necessary.

    If they actually succeed in removing a democratically elected president from office through their beuracratic shenanigans, then where do we go from here?

    If our votes simply don’t matter anymore, then there’s only one logical step a foresee in the future.

  500. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Yes, Mueller after a long distinguished career of public service left a partner position at a top law firm (2 million+) to be paid a public servant’s salary to “go for big money.”

    Lisa’s just as ridiculous as Janz and Tina.

    The spin defending the orange turd is hilarious.

    And Trump’s sex scandal never went away. They’ve been working their way through the courts. Becoming president doesn’t automatically wipe the slate clean. Trump has a lot to pay for irrespective of Russia which alone makes him a traitor.

  501. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    JC resident nutbag ger. A dense wall of stupid so profound, it’s no wonder you make a pittance.

    Your vote doesn’t matter? More people vote for Hillary you dumb*ss.

    White grievance conservatives are the saddest, most hypocritical, most ignorant group of imbeciles on the planet.

  502. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Try and rise up JC. Independents and Democrats have guns too. And we also have an understanding of a law and self defense.

    White Racists and their enablers like you will go silently into the night one way or the other. Keep talking big you stupid piece of white trash.

  503. JC says:

    You are a sad little person.

  504. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    I could run over your house with my beemer you white thug. Admit you supported a criminal when the facts come out and stop lying to yourself.

  505. JC says:

    All that food those coastal cities enjoy?

    Guess where it is grown. I’ll give you a hint, look at all of those red rural counties you hate. One week. That’s all it would take before your coastal enclaves collapse from starvation. Try running a revolution with millions of hungry people.

    The military?

    Overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

    Gun owners?

    Overwhelmingly conservative.

    Unlike people like you, I don’t fantasize about murdering my opposition, and I sure as hell don’t want a civil war. But Marxism may make it inevitable. You simply cant reason with brainwashed bigots who project their bigotry onto others. The left is content to persecute people they don’t like. Naturally, those people, if provoked enough, will push back.

    I promise you, i civil war would be bad for everyone. But the left would be totally demolished.

    P.S. I’m Arabic, not white

  506. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    My food is currently grown in Chile because it’s winter you moron.

    And guess who f*cked over farmers? TPP would’ve removed ALL tariffs on American Agricultural products. And the White House recently reversed an Obama ruling to let small farmers better dispute anti-competitive practices of big buyers of their products.

    Let me give you a hint: his name is Trump.

    The majority of officers don’t like Trump: http://www.newsweek.com/majority-us-military-officers-have-unfavorable-view-trump-new-poll-shows-691807

    Yes, we know Republicans have guns. It is your religion you neo-facist cun t.

    You stupid POS threaten to attack other Americans over perceived injustices and then act as if I threatened to murder you. Come anywhere near me or my family or try to cause an insurrection on injust grounds and I will use the 2nd amendment to defend myself to you dumb chickenhawk.

    You gun nutters think you can threaten everybody else and think it means something versus the left.

    If there was a civil war, most of you would die without even knowing it to drone strikes programmed by liberal nerds.

    Moron.

  507. JC says:

    “You stupid POS threaten to attack other Americans over perceived injustices…”

    “I could run over your house with my beemer you white thug.“
    ———
    Uh huh.

    I’m sure the irony is lost on you.

    My advice: get out, make some friends, find a partner. Once you start caring for other people instead of just yourself, you’ll have no time for this kind of hate.

  508. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    IMHO, the timing of the Mueller indictments does not pass the smell test.
    The calls from Congress were growing louder for Mueller to fold-up shop,and,lo and behold, indictments are produced by his Grand Jury.
    He wants to remain relevant and important.

    My guess is the Michael Flynn takes the perp walk on Monday on some campaign finance law violations.(Also, maybe for jaywalking!)

    And your guess for the perp and the infraction are……?

  509. Chicon says:

    Good guess, Sheeple. Could also be Manafort. Imo this suggests that whoever it is probably wouldn’t or couldn’t give up someone higher.

  510. Tina says:

    Phil says:
    October 28, 2017 at 1:17 am
    Bernstein says officials faces 20, 30, 40, 50 years but doesn’t know what the crimes are.

    Yeah, that makes sense. Great piece of journalism.

    Lol

  511. JC says:

    He’ll probably try to nail Manafort on some trumped up charges for not filing the right disclosures with his foreign dealings.

    If so, Trump should pardon him immediately and then fire Mueller in the spot.

  512. hugh says:

    This whole thing is going to further divide the country and in the end amount to about nothing. If trump had handled things with comey less compulsively this would have been now mostly about the dossier and Hillary. He should have fired his first week in office with no explanation. I suspect Sessions partially recused himself because he was so worried about dealing with Trump through all of this. don’t get me wrong I would vote for trump again in a national election, because its a binary choice. I just keep thinking where we would be if he had a modest level of self control.

  513. Tina says:

    Ao, if comedy were to have been fire the first week, omedy woukd not have leaked the stuff and lied about the dossier, right?

  514. dblaikie says:

    Isn’t it amazing just when all this stuff comes out about Hillary and the Dems. and especially about the FBI — the day that the WSJ calls for Mueller to step down — a leak goes to CNN about the first arrests.

    I bet that the arrests will not be about Russian collusion so much as some ticky tack, little known, Federal Statute that is a real stretch to make.

  515. dblaikie says:

    I hope that we have all learned enough not to trust polls coming out about Virginia. They are interesting, but their purpose is not to give an accurate picture or snapshot of the Virginia electorate as it to drive the news.

  516. Tina says:

    It would be nice to know the source of the leak to cnn. Of course that woukd be problematic.

  517. Hugh says:

    I am sure he would have but I do not believe there would have been a special prosecutor. I am sure he had already been leaking by then.

  518. Tina says:

    His main reason for leaking was to trigger an sp. he knew it would come about.

    I think a process crime, over failing to report foreign registration, or taxes are likely.

    No issues with those findings, which have nothing to do with muh russian

  519. Tina says:

    Manaforts attorneysclaim no indictment fwiw. Theycame out in front right aqay.

  520. Bitterlaw says:

    JC is Arabic? Well, he should be watched as a potential terrorist. I don’t personally think that but I read it at HHR so it must be true.

  521. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh – Please do not question Trump’s self-control. He is revered by many of your fellow Hedgehoggers.

  522. JC says:

    Half arabic. My biological dad fled Iran just as the Iranian revolution went underway.

  523. Hugh says:

    532. It’s a risk but I never abuse anyone so hopefully they’ll be respectful

  524. Tina says:

    https://t.co/nACQerJSiu

    Fox wallace, more evidence of drat collussion.

    Hello, dossier.

  525. Chicon says:

    Good morning, JC. I’d always heard Iranians referred to themselves as Persians in nationality rather than Arabs. Is/was your dad an Arab living in Iran?

  526. NYCmike says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-million-dollar-mistake-1509144945

    -Are Republicans really going to push this themselves?

  527. Chicon says:

    Mike – reminds me of Clinton acting the Republican by hijacking welfare reform. Now we have Republicans acting the Democrat by raising taxes. And it would be a tax increase since those in the new bracket pay a huge percentage of all taxes.

  528. Tina says:

    So, real cons now stand for

    Blowing up the me.

    Tax increases

    Spending like drunks

    Obamacare

    Open borders.

    Count me out of that ohuqed up party.

  529. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw to say he is not for open borders, but also does not want to reduce immigration at all in 3…..2……1……

  530. NYCmike says:

    One other thing – finally, the news coming out of the IRS going after conservative/Tea Party groups was true, and the media should be reporting this and apologizing.

  531. Tina says:

    The irs is old news, obama was righteous for going after conservative groups, and we do not have to admit a mistake.

    Jebot Media.

  532. Jonesy says:

    Mike, are we still defending Jeff Sessions? One of the few things we disagree on.

  533. NYCmike says:

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-at-halloween-event-i-cannot-believe-the-media-produced-such-beautiful-children/

    -TOO FUNNY!

    “How does the press treat you?”

    “Take as many as you want…..there are no weight problems…”

    “I cannot believe the media produced such beautiful children,” the president exclaimed. “How the media did this, I don’t know.”

  534. Jonesy says:

    I like Marco Rubio, but he is now just a Senator for life.

    This fusion thing will be his albatross

  535. NYCmike says:

    Jeff Sessions? I think the wheels of justice turn slowly, as they should in our republic.

    Innocent until proven guilty.

  536. Jonesy says:

    533. Interesting JC. Had a Iranian christian friend in College. Many of them lived in the LA area

  537. Tina says:

    Again, while he or his campaign or his pac hired fusion, it ended in april of 2016.

    No dossier was produced, until hillary hired fusion and steele produced in or around june.

  538. Jonesy says:

    So Sessions should not appoint a special Prosecutor on the Uranium deal?

    Because you know Mueller will always cover for the Clinton’s

  539. Jonesy says:

    I wonder how all of this will affect the Va Gov race?

  540. Tina says:

    Sessions would not be leakig btw.

    Listen to his interview with brett baer. Paraphrasing, the right people are investigating uranium 1.

  541. Jonesy says:

    This Billionaire Anti Trump Billionaire, Paul Singer, looks the part of a Globalist Elite.

    Rubio has now been skunked twice. First with Schumer on the Gang of eight, and now in bed with this loser.

  542. Jonesy says:

    552. I hope so Tina, but would a leak by the DOJ to Fox News, not help us right now?

  543. Jonesy says:

    Might be a good idea for Trump to vet any potential Judicial or other nominee, that has ties to Comey and Mueller. Deep state trash.

    the Clinton have done a great job, of placing their allies in high places

  544. Tina says:

    Fox has played the same game, jonesy. They may have sime friendly opinion hosts, their news media people are terrible.

    See shepherdly smith

  545. Tina says:

    Update, i heard from a few folks stating that the initial charge may be related to Nara.

    Not registering properly. However, that charge is often a slap and not prosecuted.

    If a nara violation is a charge for mueller, this is a bust.

  546. Jonesy says:

    Larry Schweikert

    Mueller first leaked to WSJ, who leaked to CNN?

    Kim Strassel, WSJ Editorial Board, called on Mueller to resign this week

  547. Tina says:

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/10/investigate-this-3.php

    Intersting read here on the dossiers important for wiretapping.

  548. Jonesy says:

    Saw it Mike. Very Good. Kevin Sorbo is excellent

  549. Tina says:

    is why I believe that the dossier took on added importance after the initial denial of a FISA order. We know, or think we do, that the FBI wanted Steele to do additional research. The focus of that research, however, would have to be to establish “reason to believe” that Trump or persons close to his campaign were “agents of a foreign power.” Only that would get them the FISA coverage they wanted. Lacking those, FISA was the quick route, but it required “reason to believe” that Trump or persons close to his campaign were “agents of a foreign power.” Voila the “dossier” as it apparently featured in the successful FISA application in October, the height of the campaign. And then it came to be used in the attempt to nullify the election (the attempted “coup”?).

  550. Bitterlaw says:

    Bitterlaw to say he is not for open borders, but also does not want to reduce immigration at all in 3…..2……1……

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz. I want to stop ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. I see no need to reduce LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

  551. Bitterlaw says:

    My food is currently grown in Chile because it’s winter you moron.

    It is autumn in the Northern Hemisphere. It is Spring in the Southern Hemisphere. What planet does TPW live on where it is winter?

  552. Bitterlaw says:

    Half arabic. My biological dad fled Iran just as the Iranian revolution went underway.

    My daughter has a friend whose parents are from Iran. I asker her if her family spoke farsi at home. She was amazed that I had heard of the language. She is learning it.

  553. Bitterlaw says:

    Does anybody speak boccee?

  554. Wes says:

    Wacky Land threw TIPW out because he was too crazy for the place, Bitter.

  555. Wes says:

    Just a nitpick:

    Iranians do not consider themselves Arabs.

  556. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/news/357599-conservative-publication-originally-funded-trump-dossier-report

    Free Beacon originally funded the dossier.

    So much for the bad talking point.

    The GOP congressional committees knew that Mueller was going to start dropping the shoe next week and decided to do what they always do when they are going to eat sh*t: deflect and mention hillary clinton.

    Grand Jury indictments take months to gather the necessary evidence.

    Bring it on losers. Try to act all macho like you have all the guns. I would love nothing more than for our military and police force to cleanse the country of you traitorous turds.

    You elected this orange bozo. Now reap the whirlwind.

  557. Wes says:

    The military likes Trump as evidenced by their overwhelmingly having voted for him last year. Good luck getting them to stage a coup and forcibly remove him from office.

  558. mnw says:

    The solons at RRH have moved MO Sen from “lean R” to “Tossup.” Bullzhit!

    They made 5-6 other changes, all in DEMs’ favor in key races.

  559. Hugh says:

    My 401k has reaped the whirlwind. I’ll take it

  560. Wes says:

    RRH routinely does that, Mnw. I seriously think the primary poobah at that site is a closet Dem given all the Dem cheerleading over there.

  561. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Yeah that’s kind of what happens when the generic ballot is +15 Dem according to Fox News and +10.5 according to RealClearPolitics average.

    States don’t move that far off from the national polls usually, around a band of + or – 3%.

    Numbers really don’t lie if you have the training and critical thinking skills to see them for what they are.

    Enjoy your orange turd of a president while he lasts.

    Maybe President Pence is clean (or more likely there’s not enough evidence to convinct but the taint will stay with him) and will last until 2021.

  562. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Wes with his fake dumbass analysis again. 20 years of being a dumbass narcissism wallowing in his pride and echo chamber has undone any mature thinking process that his community college poli sci degree might have given him.

  563. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    The military will never be involved. Your hillbilly understanding of how an impeachment would work is laughable.

    McConnell and Ryan will all meet with Trump and tell him it’s over. Matthis and Kelly will be outside with armed guard and tell Trump not to go anywhere.

    And it will all end without any shots fired.

  564. Wes says:

    Need I say more, people?

    TIPW doesn’t even know how long this site has been active nor where I went to college for my degree. He also seems unaware I drew plenty of ire a decade ago for saying from beginning to end, the Republicans had no chance of holding the White House in 2008. Some cheerleader.

    Meanwhile, I’m not reduced to hoping the military stages a coup to remove the duly elected President I didn’t vote for.

  565. Wes says:

    Hillbilly understanding–from a guy eho doesn’t know impeachment and removal from office require votes by the House and Senate rather than meetings of the congressionals leaders backed by armed guards with the President.

  566. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Wow you had the insight to call a race that everyone knew the result. Bravo. Will the sun rise yet again tomorrow Mr. Nostrodamus?

  567. Wes says:

    What will actually happen on impeachment:

    Nothing.

    Trump will serve at least 39 more months as President unless TIPW or one of his deranged leftist buddies becomes the next Charles Guiteau or Lee Harvey Oswald before getting a severe case of lead poisoning.

  568. DW says:

    Still wrapping up my huge 2016 Election Night Coverage Chronological Atlas.

    Here is a rough draft of my summary comments for each network:

    Fox News

    Fox News displayed impressive staging with the added touch of live viewers in the street visible behind the glass backdrop. Bret Baier and Megyn Kelly performed their jobs as anchors better than their counterparts on other networks. They asked good questions of the panelists especially at the moments of breaking news. However, Fox News coverage had by far the weakest data analyst in Bill Hemmer. Remarkably, he only appeared a handful of times throughout the entire night of coverage. By their own admission, Fox News expected a Clinton victory. They apparently prepped their show to be heavy on panelist comments, perhaps thinking there was no need for data analysis. Furthermore, when Hemmer did appear, he seemed lost, unable to know which counties or states to click on and fumbling badly with the math to 270 calculations. Hemmer did finally at one point figure out how to click between the 2012 and 2016 maps for MI and WI to see the color of counties flip from blue to red, but CNN had been doing that much earlier.

    Overall, the Fox News approach presented a filtered coverage of the election. The analysis of data remained hidden, while the analysts on stage provided the results to viewers. This was not the network to watch for those wishing to see the numbers for themselves. Fox News did provide an election results crawl on the bottom of the screen, but almost the entire evening involved the conversations of Karl Rove, Chris Stirewalt, Chris Wallace and the other panelists.

    Fox News excelled among the networks in calling winners first in the battleground states including IA, NM, CO, GA, VA, NC, ME, NV, FL, PA (although the Associated Press called PA first) and their gutsy call of WI at 11:30 pm, a full two hours and fifty-eight minutes before anyone else would call it. However, Fox News had a few lapses in their calling of states including AZ and AK, states they never called during the coverage. Furthermore, LA, AR, and AL, states where the margins of victory were 19.64, 26.92, and 27.72 points respectively, needlessly delayed 30 to 45 minutes before a call. NBC called these three states immediately upon poll closure.

    CNN

    CNN’s coverage presented somewhat of a mirror image to that of Fox News. The staging was simple and straightforward. Wolf Blitzer and Anderson Cooper led the coverage blandly and predictably. CNN no doubt expected a Clinton victory, but their show plan called for fewer panelists, less discussion, and much more focus on the numbers and the data. John King’s skills at the data analysis computer far outstripped his counterparts on the other networks. CNN wisely planned for King to be the centerpiece of their coverage, and he was up to the challenge. Additionally, he handled with ease the repeated miss-directions and inept questions put upon him by Wolf Biltzer. King provided a level of transparency that proved refreshing. For instance, he reminded viewers that it was the Clinton team making the claim that more pro-Clinton voters were forthcoming in Milwaukee or Detroit. When the numbers did not seem plausible to King, he expressed his doubts freely. Late in the coverage, King even seemed to call into question CNN’s lack of calling states by showing how no substantial votes for Clinton remained available to bring her back into contention in key uncalled states.

    Jake Tapper and Dana Bash fulfilled the role of primary analysts, Tapper proving himself more skilled than Bash at putting the results into perspective with meaningful commentary. Other analysts appeared much less frequently, and sometimes brought up interesting perspectives.

    The US senate coverage provided by CNN proved revealing as to their show preparation and results expectations. Early in the evening CNN promised to track the senate results all evening as the Democrats made their move to recapture majority control. However, once they realized the race for president would be close they dropped all coverage of the senate, focusing instead on what they never expected to happen—a tight race between Clinton and Trump.

    Overall CNN performed poorly on the projection of winners of states, lagging well behind other networks in most of the key battleground states. Furthermore, they seemed to delay calls until they fit neatly into their coverage rather than interrupting it–the standard practice on other networks. One bright spot was their instant call of MO when polls closed there, compared to other networks like Fox News that somehow took two hours and fifteen minutes to call a state with a final margin of 18.51 points. CNN’s Wolf Blitzer provided a capstone moment to illustrate their slow calls when he interrupted Trump’s victory speech to announce to viewers that CNN could now project Trump would win.

    MSNBC

    MSNBC provided sort of an oddball couple of co-anchors in Rachel Maddow and the disgraced former NBC anchor Brian Williams. With Chris Matthews on board as a primary analyst, along with frequent commentary from James Carville, MSNBC’s unique coverage dropped any pretense as to their biased support for Clinton. This situation provided some entertaining moments late in the coverage when Trump’s victory seemed certain. Data analyst Steve Karnacki seemed eager to accept uncritically any angle that would provide good news for Clinton, but at least he knew where to click and what was important to check unlike Hemmer on Fox News.

    Viewers who wished to see the liberal Democrat perspective with little interaction to the contrary no doubt found MSNBC an optimal choice.

    NBC

    Lester Holt and Susannah Guthrie were nowhere near as good as Bret Baier and Megyn Kelly, and Tom Brokaw demonstrated why his time has passed. This left Chuck Todd to carry the coverage as a key commentator as well as data analyst. Overall, NBC provided a reasonable mixture between data analysis and commentary. Oddly, Chuck Todd refused consider the state of WI worthy of analysis throughout the evening. Even after someone asked him look at WI, he dismissed the request and moved in a different direction. Perhaps he had not prepared to discuss WI and did not wish to commit the sort of gaffe made by ABC while discussing it. Overall Chuck Todd performed reasonably well given he was to carry the coverage. Sometimes Todd was even-handed, and other times he seemed eager to find good news for Clinton where it probably did not exist. Viewers might detect later in the coverage a level of irritation in Todd even though he tried to hold it in check.

    NBC’s strength in calling states involved those that should have been instant calls, but NBC was alone in calling them instantly. These included AL, AR, LA, CT and OR.

    CBS

    CBS News coverage simply was not as good as NBC, and fell much further short of the cable news networks. Their dimly lit set proved a good match the moribund hosts, Scott Pelley and Norah O’Donnell, who seemed better suited to run a funeral home. Pelley kept repeatedly, and annoyingly making the promise that whenever CBS had any state ready to be called, whatever they were doing would be interrupted to make that call. However, CBS’s calls proved mostly reactive, frequently being the last network to call winners. Pelley and others also kept repeating over and over that Trump could not win without FL—a ‘fact’ that turned out to be false in the end.

    Early on in their coverage, CBS seemed too obsessed with exit poll data, when the actual results were available. Their display of race updates throughout the evening no doubt frustrated many viewers as CBS only provided percentage amounts for each candidate without actual raw vote totals.

    Like some of the other networks, CBS seemed incapable of finding WI on the map, but once they did and it was clear Ron Johnson would hold his senate seat, CBS stopped covering the other senate races for the rest of the program.

    Commentators Bob Schieffer and Charlie Rose demonstrated their better days were behind them. John Dickerson occasionally provided keen insights, but he could easily shine given the lethargy around him. Anthony Salvanto provided data analysis adequately, but was not awarded enough time to dive deeply into the data. Rather than exploring data in all the key states, CBS tended to keep showing the same data over and over with nothing changed. Salvanto also failed to show comparisons between 2012 and 2016.

    Late in their coverage CBS seemed lost. As late as 12:45 a.m. and again at 1:10 a.m. CBS described the race for president as still being able to go either way. Other networks were talking about the presumed outcome of the election and speculating why Clinton lost. CBS, like some of the other networks wrongly concluded they had to wait for absentee ballots for a call of close states.

    ABC

    ABC competed with CBS as the poorest coverage. They portrayed themselves as unbiased news coverage while at the same time displayed open antipathy for Donald Trump. They were not far from MSNBC in this regard. George Stephanopoulos as anchor often lacked depth, and data analyst Jonathan Karl seemed unprepared for the task—at one point distinguishing between Dane County, WI and the non-existent Madison County, WI. ABC also kept two large panels of commentators active throughout the broadcast, limiting the amount of time available for election results. One panelist set the tone early in the evening by describing Trump as already lashing out at what is happening to him—in one swipe presuming the outcome of the election and Trump’s childish reaction to it.

    ABC demonstrated slowness at calling winners, although they were slightly faster than CNN and CBS. They were the only network to delay a call on TN, a state Trump won by a margin of 26 points.

  569. Wes says:

    Right. I resisted the pollyannas on her for almost two years.

    I also inaccurately predicted Hillary would be competent enough to edge Trump for the White House.

    Some cheerleader I am.

  570. Chicon says:

    Best policy with trolls is to not engage.

  571. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Are you a f*cking idiot? There will be no vote. McConnell and Ryan will walk in and tell Trump it’s over because the votes won’t be there after the shoe drops and Republicans start losing elections in places they’ve never lost. Senators will see the writing on the wall.

    Then Trump will try to get a quid pro quo agreement with Pence to pardon him and resign in disgrace.

    Just like what happened Nixon.

    I just stated the most likely conclusion once evidence comes out that Trump or most of his inner circle colluded.

    It’s not rocket science mr. fake degree.

  572. Wes says:

    Oh, I’m enjoying this, Chicon. The deranged loon can call names all he wants. I’m not going to stand idly by while that pimply faced hipster hijacks this site.

  573. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    This guy and his obsession with coverage of the election.

    You should try to apply to a political science graduate program.

    And then when you are universally rejected, consider why.

    Half-assed analysis to reinforce your own biases is so sad.

  574. Wes says:

    See 582, TIPW–and read very carefully since 7th grade English was obviously a bridge too far for your minuscule brain to comprehend.

  575. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    I hijacked the site with truth.

    +15 Dem on generic ballot according to Fox News.

    You think it will get better? There’s not enough Ebola and Muslim terrorists in the entire world.

    SUCK IT.

  576. Chicon says:

    He can’t hijack the site if nobody responds. Responding is fueling the fire, imo.

  577. Wes says:

    Um, yes. Live in a fantasy world where Dems will have a better ballot advantage than in 2008. You tried that three years ago and again last year.

    How’d thst work out for you?

  578. Wes says:

    He’s another Bunu, Chicon. Ignoring him does nothing to stop his maniacal ramblings.

  579. DW says:

    Wes, we heard all sorts of ‘truth’ posted here leading up to 2016, and it all ended up being false–including things I thought would happen that turned out false. So some troll comes along to tell us the same ‘truth’, the same cherry-picking that trolls always do, pulling a Fox News Dem +15 poll and ignoring the one that came out yesterday showing GOP +3.

  580. Wes says:

    He’s reduced to wrestling catchphrases now.

    Maybe you’re right, Chicon.

    He isn’t worth the effort of an acknowledgement.

  581. Chicon says:

    Wes, as you wish…. Enjoy.

  582. Tina says:

    4th woman now accuses 41 of groping.

    Daily Mail

  583. Tina says:

    The 4th accusatory is alarming. It was in 2006. Bush was not in a wheel chair.

    This is disgusting.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5025467/amp/Fourth-woman-accuses-George-HW-Bush-groping-her.html

  584. Tina says:

    Kurt Schlichter
    Kurt Schlichter
    @KurtSchlichter
    ·
    1h
    The relative lack of frenzy among the media about the alleged indictment indicates to me they know that it’s a big nothing burger, or rather, a nothing ham sandwich.

    You heard it here. It’s Manafort on some obscure FARA violation pre-dating his work with Trump.

    A soeeding like ticket,

  585. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    DW talk about cherrypicking.

    If it wasn’t a Fox News poll you’d say it was a mainstream media poll and ignore it.

    And now you cherrypick a poll that confirms your bias and waves that as somehow being more objective.

    I referenced both the Fox News Poll because you don’t automatically Fox News Poll and the REALCLEARPOLITICS AVERAGE which averages polls and has a long history of being fairly accurate.

    Try again dumb*ss. Stupid is as stupid does.

  586. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Just think, if everybody here were in a room, you might have enough total IQ points to fit into a tic tac box.

    Keep lying to yourself in the echo chamber dumb*sses.

    Real America has woke up and coming for you criminals.

  587. DW says:

    598 – I am appalled by any and all unwelcome groping. But I am also a staunch advocate of due process. An accusation from 2006 is an accusation–not a conviction. Given these recent examples to which GHW Bush’s family has admitted happened, it would not surprise me at all for thrill seekers to make an accusation knowing they can get their names in the paper. If the accusation turns out to be true, then yes, throw the book at him.

  588. Tina says:

    Sarah Sanders
    Sarah Sanders
    @PressSec
    ·
    1h
    Clinton spokesman just said he’s “damn glad” Clinton campaign colluded w/ Russia to spread disinformation about @POTUS & influence election

    Boom.

  589. Tina says:

    The bushes have no moral high ground.

    They are stains on the republican party.

  590. DW says:

    PeteWilson is clearly ProudObamacon. His/her rantings speak for themselves, and are not worthy of interaction.

  591. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    You lost the argument so crawled away like a defeated mongrel.

    We get it.

    Not everyone has what it takes to make a coherent argument that stands to refutation.

    Even 3rd and 4th graders have problems so it’d be understandable a grown-ass man who spends all his time repeating lies to himself would have the same problems.

  592. lisab says:

    IMHO, the timing of the Mueller indictments does not pass the smell test.
    ——————————-

    no … obviously sparked by the uranium deal revelations

  593. lisab says:

    The relative lack of frenzy among the media about the alleged indictment indicates to me they know that it’s a big nothing burger, or rather, a nothing ham sandwich.
    ———————————

    that also puzzles me

    either they are keeping it secret so it dominates the news all next week

    or they got nothing and mueller just wants to slip away with his money

  594. lisab says:

    regarding ghw bush: yet another reason i cannot work with the elderly

  595. lisab says:

    Manafort, Podesta Brothers Ties to Russia Focus of Mueller Investigation

  596. janz says:

    Lisa,

    The innate traits and character of people become more hardened and uninhibited as they age. Again, much of it has to do with changes in the frontal lobe of the brain making it more difficult to manage or even care about hiding negative impulses or inappropriate behavior. IOW, GHW was probably always a letch at heart.

  597. lisab says:

    if podesta flips on hillary, the russia story is over

    the media will not mention it again

  598. lisab says:

    making it more difficult to manage or even care about hiding negative impulses or inappropriate behavior.
    ———————————–

    sure …

    and

    i still would not want to be groped by an old man

    or a young man for that matter

  599. Chicon says:

    611 – lisa, where did you see this?

  600. Chicon says:

    614 – or an old woman. Probably not a young woman, either.

  601. janz says:

    Actually, the same could probably be said about Trump and the abrasiveness of his tweets and “punching back” confrontations with anyone viewed as an opponent. After all his dad put him into a military school environment in order to develop some discipline in what must have been an undisciplined child.

  602. janz says:

    614, LOL, Lisa I agree…

    It would be a miracle if Podesta was the one wearing cuffs come Monday, making Mueller’s investigation more of one dealing with government corruption rather than one premised solely on bringing down the current president. I don’t see that as happening…unfortunately.

  603. janz says:

    Follow the Choreography of the Mueller Counternarrative.

    “I have no more idea who will be charged with what than anyone else outside what we might as well call the Get Trump Inner Circle. But I urge all readers to watch the process by which the event is staged. This political theatre is being managed.”

    Political theatre is a good description of what is going on with this investigation!

  604. Chicon says:

    So, now how does House of Cards write a script that actually seems far-fetched?

  605. JC says:

    Chicon says:
    October 28, 2017 at 10:27 am

    Good morning, JC. I’d always heard Iranians referred to themselves as Persians in nationality rather than Arabs. Is/was your dad an Arab living in Iran?
    —————————–

    You’re right. My biological father did always refer to himself as Persian. Of course, I know very little about him since he and my mom split when I was born. He didn’t raise me and we haven’t communicated in about 15 years.

    He spoke fluent farci and wasn’t religious at all. Although, I suppose that isn’t surprising since Iran was rather secular before the revolution.

  606. Chicon says:

    JC, I asked because I met a cardiac surgeon once who was in medical school when the revolution happened. He likely would have been jailed or killed had he returned to Iran, as he was a Shah guy. Fortunately he was allowed to stay once his visa for school ended. For me, these policies are more complex when there’s an actual human face attached to the story.

  607. HHR says:

    Overstayed his visa? Criminal. Deport his ass. He stole a cardiac surgeon position from an American.

  608. Cash Cow TM says:

    reap

    pear
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  609. DW says:

    622 – that is called legal immigration–something I am all in favor of.

  610. NYCmike says:

    “622 – that is called legal immigration–something I am all in favor of.”

    -Political asylum, no?

    I am all in favor of legal immigration as well. As are Senators Cotton and Perdue.

    Of course, they have a more stringent set of policy proposals than the Democrats want, which is why it is odd that a Republican Senate would choose to keep it buried and/or vote against it.

    I would bet it would be a good thing politically to get Democratic Senators up for re-election, or any Democratic challenger, to say how they would vote for such a bill.

  611. Tina says:

    http://amp.dailycaller.com/2017/10/28/finally-a-definitive-timeline-showing-when-clinton-dnc-started-the-russian-dossier/

    Kiddos, here is the timeline of fusion, russian dossier.

    This proves that no republican campaign, directly or indirectly was behind the dossier.

  612. Jonesy says:

    I apologize if it seems I am pulling a Robbie with twitter sources.

    Larry Schweikart( Predicted a Trump Win)

    “Spoke to a source who was present at Grand Jury”

    ” Says all questions, one by Mueller, Involved Podesta’s and Manafort, and nothing to do with Collusion or Trump and Family”

    Hope this is true.

  613. Jonesy says:

    Penn State Running Back, is very good.

  614. JC says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 28, 2017 at 5:02 pm

    I would bet it would be a good thing politically to get Democratic Senators up for re-election, or any Democratic challenger, to say how they would vote for such a bill.
    ———————-

    Yep. That vote would destroy dems in red states. Of course, McConnell probably figured that that would make too much political sense and so dismissed it out of hand. Sometimes it’s as if the GOP leadership has meetings to brainstorm some of the dumbest political strategies imaginable to execute.

    GOP Strategist 1: Hmm, how can we ensure that we turn this safe GOP seat competitive?

    GOP Strategist 2: I got it! Lets have our incumbent go out of his way to insult his own base using liberal talking points!

    GOP Strategist 1: Brilliant!

    Of course, the reality is actually more depressing. These people live in the world of the ruling class elite. They view everything through the prism of liberal narratives. They are afraid of the media because they believe that its views and outrages represents what the rest of the country thinks. And so act accordingly.

    I have often said that the media has little influence on the voting public anymore. If they did, Hillary would have won in a landslide. Instead, their influence is over GOP politicians. Have an important vote coming up? Put out a conveniently timed push poll that says the bill is the most hated piece of legislation in the history of man! Republican politicians see this and start running scared.

    Just look at Jeff Flake. He was not some noble and righteous senator who willingly sacrificed his career to fight meanie ol’ Trump. He simply misread the electorate. He thought that Washington’s hatred of Trump was America’s hatred of Trump. He thought, working with DC republicans, that even his own party hated Trump. He accepted the media’s never-ending negative narratives as the truth.

    When Flake was sniping at Trump, he believed he was enhancing his career, not destroying it.

  615. Tina says:

    David Shuster ? @DavidShuster
    .@cnn is out on a limb. Going back 30 years w/ fed special counsels, there has NEVER been a “sealed indictment.” #skeptical
    6:20 PM – Oct 27, 2017
    16 16 Replies 93 93 Retweets 139 139 like

    Schuster claims cnn is full of it.

  616. janz says:

    #631 I read similar comments about how odd a sealed indictment is. Ordinarily those who are being indicted ate told ahead of time, as well as their legal representatives that such an action is eminent t .

  617. mnw says:

    Sealed indictments are the norm, in order to avoid flight or witness tampering. Open indictments (which can be accessed by the public before a defs’ initial appearance and arraignment) are mostly used for defs who are already incarcerated.

  618. mnw says:

    Sealed indictments are the norm, in order to avoid flight or witness tampering. Open indictments (which can be accessed by the public before a defs’ initial appearance and arraignment) are mostly used for defs who are already incarcerated.

    I GUARANTEE you that “most defendants are NOT told in advance”!

  619. mnw says:

    Sorry about the double post. And I haven’t even started drinking yet, either.

  620. mnw says:

    Now, God knows how a special counsel does things. An attorney, even one specializing in federal criminal law, can practice for a lifetime & never encounter one of THOSE. Very rare birds!

  621. Bitterlaw says:

    Penn State Running Back, is very good.

    Too bad the Penn State Defense sucked.

  622. Bitterlaw says:

    I am all in favor of legal immigration as well as long as the number of legal immigrants is slashed to less than half the current level.

    I fixed it for NYCmike.

  623. biomom says:

    I would not believe Schuster if he said the sun rose today..

  624. NYCmike says:

    http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/jun/20/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-says-us-admits-1-million-immigrants-ye/

    -Bitterlaw,

    So that would be about 500,000 legal immigrants a year, with all of the associated tax dollars to maintain this system…..allow the representatives of the American people to vote on that…..and make Democratic incumbents/challengers make it clear what they are for and/or against.

  625. NYCmike says:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/28/gop-tax-bill-secrecy-244253

    -Do it the Pelosi Way!

    These people never learn, do they?!?!

  626. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – I do not support reducing illegal immigration. In fact, if there was a way to stop or drastically limit illegal immigration, I would not mind increasing the number of legal immigrants. I have never met a legal immigrant who did not bust their ass to work hard to make a life for themselves and their families. I know many lazy Americans who treat an ankle sprain as an early retirement plan.

  627. mnw says:

    Let’s Go Bluuz.

  628. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC- Here is the issue that I have with immigration. I think that being an American citizen is the greatest gift in the history of the world. However, I did nothing to deserve it. I am a citizen because I was born here. I was born here because my ancestors made sacrifices to come to this country and remain here. None of it was my doing but I get the reward.

    With the exception of veterans and whatever Tina did, none of us served this country. (Sorry, lisab. You performed a charitable service to the world but not to the US). Except for Jason, we did not have to move here, apply to be citizens, take tests or even take an oath of citizenship. We have the right to vote because we are citizens but if we never voted again, we would still be citizens.

    Despite doing nothing to earn the greatest gift in the world, we act as if we personally accomplished something.

    I absolutely agree that we need to control the borders and limit immigration. However, pretending that most of us deserve our good fortune is arrogant folly. We benefitted by a sperm and egg leading to a chain of events that dropped us into this world on the lucky side of the line on a map.

  629. Chicon says:

    Thoughtful post, Bitter. Lotta truth there.

  630. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    3h
    While not at all presidential I must point out that the Sloppy Michael Moore Show on Broadway was a TOTAL BOMB and was forced to close. Sad!

    Lol

  631. lisab says:

    Halifax music fest apologizes for ‘overt racism’ at Polaris winner’s concert
    Festival says some white audience members reacted negatively when Pimienta invited ‘brown girls to the front’

  632. mnw says:

    I wish Trump would not engage with insignificant nonentities like Michael Moore; fat Miss Venezuela; assorted lame duck legislators, etc.

  633. Bitterlaw says:

    While not at all presidential

    Of course, the normal person would decide to not finish that sentence but Trump wants to make Tina laugh.

    I guess the world is safe and there are no problems in America if Trump has time to give Broadway updates.

  634. Blobbie says:

    Any kid that comes to my door dressed as Trump is getting cold cocked the f out!

  635. Blobbie says:

    Any kid that comes to my door dressed as Trump is getting cold cocked the f out!

  636. Tina says:

    Bl, more importantly, all the jfk stuff has been released. Perhaps, the more significant parts.

    With that said, the conspiracies will still be the same.

  637. lisab says:

    Paul Manafort faces new money laundering probe by US attorney’s office in NY

  638. Chicon says:

    Maybe this means he’s not the guy Monday.

  639. Tina says:

    Ok, according to a new document, lbj may have been a kkk mbr.

  640. jason says:

    Free Beacon originally funded the dossier.

    So much for the bad talking point.”

    Pete Wilson is a pathological liar.

    Free Beacon did NOT fund the dossier, that was the Dems.

    They funded routine oppo research BEFORE the dossier.

    The facts will set you free.

  641. lisab says:

    Chicon,

    above you asked where i got the podesta brothers/manafort rumour

    but before you asked i had already left my house.

    the rumour was posted on reddit and the source was fox news

  642. jason says:

    NYC still dreaming about cutting legal immigration in half?

    LOL.

    Still actually thinks Cotton-Perdue is serious legislation.

  643. JC says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 28, 2017 at 9:59 pm

    While not at all presidential

    Of course, the normal person would decide to not finish that sentence but Trump wants to make Tina laugh.

    I guess the world is safe and there are no problems in America if Trump has time to give Broadway updates.
    ————–

    lol. It made me laugh 🙂

    Scott Adams thinks it’s hilarious too, and spent 10 minutes laughing about it. https://www.pscp.tv/ScottAdamsSays/1djxXMagWqPKZ?t=3

    Actually Bitter, this stuff is more important than you think. Humor is a powerful tool for strengthening the bond with your voters, as well as discouraging your opponents.

    This is what people like Flake don’t get. Michael Moore has been someone who frequently mocks and lies about conservatives with impunity for years, using the typical ‘racist/sexist’ smears. When Trump mocks someone who his voters see for all intents and purposes as a bully, he signals to them that he’s on their side. That he’s willing to go after the people who attack his base. That he’s willing to defend them.

    Bitter, the truth is most republican voters do not feel like the GOP leadership is on their side.

    I’m sure there’s going to be some intellectual conservative boob who will make the mistake of appearing on cable news claiming to be ‘aghast’ at reprobate Trump’s tweet. That person will only be damaging himself. Because no matter how conservative he may claim to be, all he will accomplish is signaling to the Republican base that he is not on their side. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. People don’t want members of their own group to defend their tormentors.

    You’ll claim I’m just ‘excusing’ Trump’s behavior. But all I’m doing is describing basic human psychology.

  644. jason says:

    Trump is not going to be impeached. You read it here first.

    Much to the chagrin of morons like Wobbie and Pete Wilson, he will serve out his term.

    There will be no coup.

  645. Tina says:

    I just said it was funny. However, i am into the new jfk releases. So, i am preoccupied, i will have the case resolved by am.

  646. HHR says:

    JC – I am not so sensitivee or such a loser that I feel a need to have the President or any politician “on my side.”. I make my own way in the world. Michael Moore is a dirtbag but irrelevant to my life.

  647. lisab says:

    Cowboys cut Damontre Moore, who raised fist at end of anthem

  648. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t care what liberals think of me.

  649. lisab says:

    Right-Wing Newspapers Are a Threat to Free Speech at University

    The idea of “snowflake” students is hysterical bullsht that could shut down legitimate opinions.

  650. lisab says:

    houston texans, phillidelphia eagles, and seattle seahawk teams to kneel during national anthem and then walk-out in coming nfl week

  651. lisab says:

    WaPo Predicts a Hillary Win in 2020 Rematch

  652. JC says:

    HHR says:
    October 28, 2017 at 10:43 pm

    JC – I am not so sensitivee or such a loser that I feel a need to have the President or any politician “on my side.”.
    —————–

    HHR, of course you want your leaders to be on your side. It’s human nature. Unity and belonging within the group increases the chance of survival. We are ‘pack’ animals.

  653. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    633. “Sealed indictments are the norm, in order to avoid flight or witness tampering. Open indictments.”

    Yes, but it a sealed indictment is supposed to be kept secret.

    “The magistrate judge to whom an indictment is returned may direct that the indictment be kept secret until the defendant is in custody or has been released pending trial. The clerk must then seal the indictment, and no person may disclose the indictment’s existence except as necessary to issue or execute a warrant or summons.”

  654. lisab says:

    uh oh,

    The spouse of a top Fusion GPS employee worked directly for Obama

  655. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    667. “WaPo Predicts a Hillary Win in 2020 Rematch”

    Question whether Hillary would be able to win the primary.

    Most my Democratic friends blame her for the Trump presidency.

  656. JC says:

    lisab says:
    October 28, 2017 at 10:53 pm

    houston texans, phillidelphia eagles, and seattle seahawk teams to kneel during national anthem and then walk-out in coming nfl week
    —————

    Let them. These losers have been brainwashed by the liberal education machine to believe that they are eternal victims of the white man.

    The NFL opened it’s arms to the sjw marxists. Let it burn.

  657. lisab says:

    new rumour:

    indictments on podesta group … manafort is the snitch

    no trump
    no jared
    no russia
    no don jr.
    no flynn

  658. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It appears all but certain that Orrin Hatch will retire from the Senate, and Milt Romney will run for the vacant seat.

    And if Steve Bannon has any ideas, a recent Utah poll found:

    “The statewide poll was conducted Aug. 30 through Sept. 5, with 608 registered voter respondents. It has a possible error margin of plus/minus 3.97 percent.

    If the election were held today, Romney would get 64 percent of the vote, while Wilson (the leading announced Democratic candidate) would get 26 percent. Ten percent were undecided.”

  659. Bitterlaw says:

    Lisab – zzzzzzzzz. Players may kneel. They are not walking out of games when game checks range from $30,000 to more than $1 million.

  660. lisab says:

    Players may kneel. They are not walking out of games
    ———————–

    i would be terribly upset if they walk out … it would ruin my sunday …

  661. lisab says:

    Recent efforts to relax environmental regulations to support jobs in coal communities has the potential to fill them with false hope, which can threaten progress made to date to redefine their collective identity and create new opportunities for their future, finds new study.

  662. lisab says:

    Yesterday, despite hundreds of boycot threats, Disney Channel introduced their first main gay character on a kids show.

  663. lisab says:

    Millions of innocent cats have been held up in the air because of Lion King

  664. Tina says:

    Per two sources, muellers probe only asked questions about the podestas.

  665. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Tina says:
    October 28, 2017 at 10:42 pm
    I just said it was funny. However, i am into the new jfk releases. So, i am preoccupied, i will have the case resolved by am.”

    Tina, do you want to join the Cash Cow Investigative Group?
    You gots the skillz…

  666. Tina says:

    Trumps lawyer, ty cobb. No worries.

  667. Tina says:

    So, lbj was likely kkk.

    Oswald an asset.

    Everything i knew 40plus years go.

  668. Tina says:

    Maybe, cow. Do you pay well?

  669. Chicon says:

    Cow might skim some off the top.

  670. Cash Cow TM says:

    “sealed indictments”

    messed in dim cattle
    medicated lens tins
    medicated snit lens
    elms indicate dents
    slanted men tie disc

  671. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Maybe, cow. Do you pay well?”
    ________________________________
    Walt says he will pay you three times what he pays me.
    I will throw in free milk and a pint of cream.

  672. Cash Cow TM says:

    June 26 article…

    “The world’s biggest coal users — China, the United States and India — have boosted coal mining in 2017, in an abrupt departure from last year’s record global decline for the heavily polluting fuel and a setback to efforts to rein in climate change emissions.

    Mining data reviewed by The Associated Press show that production through May is up by at least 121 million tons, or 6 percent, for the three countries compared to the same period last year. The change is most dramatic in the U.S., where coal mining rose 19 percent in the first five months of the year, according to U.S. Department of Energy data.

    Coal’s fortunes had appeared to hit a new low less than two weeks ago, when British energy company BP reported that tonnage mined worldwide fell 6.5 percent in 2016, the largest drop on record. China and the U.S. accounted for almost all the decline, while India showed a slight increase.

    The reasons for this year’s turnaround include policy shifts in China, changes in U.S. energy markets and India’s continued push to provide electricity to more of its poor, industry experts said. President Donald Trump’s role as coal’s booster-in-chief in the U.S. has played at most a minor role, they said.”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-coal-china-india-us-20170626-story.html

  673. lisab says:

    are you feeling any better walt?

    exercise helps a lot

  674. Cash Cow TM says:

    WV coal production…

    “Coal production increased 24 percent in the last 12 months.”
    ************************
    Source: WV Chamber of Commerce

  675. Walt says:

    lisab,

    Mostly life still sucks.
    But one thing has moved in a positive direction.

    Several weeks ago, son got himself clean and passed drug test and was hired on to be part of a 200 person work crew installing big solar farm down south.

    Works 6 days a week, 12/13 hour days. Has to be at job site by 7 a.m.–big change from his decades of working 2 p.m. to midnight(+) shift. He seems to be getting along well and liking it.

    $17/hr pay (but overtime when he goes past 40 hrs/week and he gets $100/day per diem for lodging and meals. Sharing motel room with a (clean) guy he knows from here who also works for this outfit.

    Work site 3 states away (and at least 10 hours drive time), so he has been obviously living down there in motel now temporarily. Supposed to finish up down there and come home for week of Thanksgiving…then probably off to some other construction site somewhere in the south…

    Praying hard and keeping my fingers crossed…

  676. Walt says:

    “exercise helps a lot”

    I don’t want some fat bald guy stalking me, sitting on the next exercise bike and groaning at me.

  677. Cash Cow TM says:

    “groaning at me”

    goat name ring
    ___________________
    Walt is in fine shape.
    His wife drags him out to walk, he mows the lawn, does LOTS of household chores, he is old and forgetful and lives in a tri-level rancher–so he is up and down the steps a lot…

  678. lisab says:

    I don’t want some fat bald guy stalking me, sitting on the next exercise bike and groaning at me.
    ———————————————–

    true that part is not fun

    but it does wonders for your blood pressure and heart

  679. Bitterlaw says:

    Good luck to your son, Walt. I think that getting away from the people and places he knew is probably the best part of the deal. It is easy to fall back into trouble in the same environment.

  680. mnw says:

    I feel like discussing the RRH Senate predictions, but at this time on a Sunday morning, it would be a tree falling in the forest kind of thing.

  681. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #696
    Yes, I looked at RRH’s predictions and,as usual, they are downcast on GOP prospects and too optimistic toward the Donkeys. North Dakota is a good example as is Ohio.

  682. mnw says:

    Sheeple

    Glad to see your comment. Here are my own observations:

    Even some of the RRH posters are criticizing their guru for moving MO from “lean R” to “tossup.” I agree with you that their ND assessment is just as bad, or even worse. But since I’ve been voting in MO these last 5 decades, I KNOW they’re full of skit about McCaskill & Hawley.

    I notice that whenever the MSM puts on their predictions cap, they ALWAYS start by saying that AZ & NV are likely to flip red to blue. I agree with that, although I hope that changes.

    HOWEVER, what about WI & MT flipping the other way? That almost never gets mentioned. In the case of MT, that’s political gross negligence! I like Nickolson in WI as a potential winner against Baldwin, too.

    Also, whenever I see “GOP likely to lose AZ & NV Senate races,” how come I never see “75-yr-old Sen. Nelson in deep trouble in FL”?

    Finally, as to AZ, this is what I think will happen. Ward wins the primary against Salmon, McSally or anybody else. Ward then loses GE. If I’m wrong and Ward loses the primary, particularly to Salmon, then I think GOP holds the seat.

    There have been some foolish posts here, imo, about “They need to give Ward some kind of appointment to get her out of the race.” That’s Fantasy Island thinking. She just forced an incumbent Senator to retire (viewed from her perspective); she’s got 80% name rec (an indisputable fact); and she had cash on hand & can raise money, too. She ain’t leaving a race she perceives herself to be winning. Period. In fact, if Salmon or McSally are running private polls right now, I wonder if they will even want to run. I recognize that both would have more money than Ward, but Strange showed how much a lot of money & McConnell’s support will get you these days.

  683. mnw says:

    P.S. I forgot the “McCain factor.” Why should Salmon or McSally walk right into Bannon’s buzzsaw, when they could wait a year or two & have (perhaps) an easier race?

  684. Diamond Jim says:

    DCC

  685. Wes says:

    The thinking on the ground in Arizona, Mnw, from what I’ve read is that now that Flake has left the race, a more substantial Republican will enter to keep Ward from throwing the seat to Sinema.

    Maybe Salmon is that candidate.

  686. Wes says:

    Of course if Ward wins the primary and inevitably loses to Synema, then Bannon and the Tea Party will follow their old script:

    It won’t be because Ward was a bad candidate but because the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil “Establishment” would rather have a Democrat than a true conservative in the Senate.

    Of course that falls to explain how Deb Fischer and Mike Enzi are Senators.

  687. mnw says:

    Wes

    Glad to see your comment.

    I really believe the commentariat is overlooking GOP pickup opportunities in MT, WI, & also to some extent, FL.

    I don’t think Ward can be beaten in that primary. Time will soon tell. I agree she can’t win the GE.

  688. Phil says:

    Texans plan to demonstrate before game today against Seattle. That should accelerate the decline of the marketing product in Houston. Way to go, geniuses. I hope Seattle kills you, but by all means, throw your tantrum.

    Go Astros. Screw off, Texans.

  689. mnw says:

    I also think that GOP chances in NV would improve if Heller retires, as Flake did. They suffer from the same problems with GOP primary voters.

    Tarkanian could be beaten in a GOP primary (absent Heller), but I think Ward will be more formidable in the primary.

  690. Phil says:

    Heller can beat perrinial loser Tarkanian.

  691. Wes says:

    I can understand your concerns, Mnw. One critical factor I think you’re overlooking is that Ward has made a ton of enemies in the AZGOP. Her bombastic campaign style is the type that gets people motivated against her.

    Demanding McCain step down so Ducey could appoint her Senator likely hasn’t helped her public image.

    One other thing is that, Moore aside because of the nature of Strange’s appointment, Senate Republicans since 2014 have eschewed the crazies in competitive elections.

    2014 was the most prominent example of this, but 2016 was another as electable Republicans beat back Tea Party challengers.

    Indiana was the most prominent example of this when Marlin Stutzman went so far as to pull an Obama move and try to have Todd Young tossed off the ballot. Thankfully Young survived these shenanigans and ultimately went on to best the Democrats’ golden boy, Evan Bayh, in a major upset in November.

    Overall while I can see where you’re coming from, I don’t think the situation is as dire as you believe, nor do I think McConnell will stand idly by and let Ward toss away a critical seat months before the election.

  692. Wes says:

    I have a problem understanding what people have against Heller. He has been loyal to Trump’s agenda despite being from a state no Republican has carried since 2004. He has no personal scandals and is a proven votegetter.

    Meanwhile, Tarkanian has a host of ethical and financial issues and has lost ever bid for office from state legislature to Senate.

    I just don’t see why Nevada Republicans would have any kind of animus toward Heller.

  693. Wes says:

    Tarkanian would be a complete nonentity in Nevada politics without his last name–whose good will he’s actively squandering with these endless q u ixotic losing bids for office by the way.

  694. Tina says:

    New thread, gang.