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Another Poll Puts Gillespie In The Lead in VA

And back we go to the other side. More polls from Virginia, more volatility. GCS Research has released a new poll and it shows Ed Gillespie with a single percentage-point lead.

GOVERNOR – VIRGINIA (GCS)
Ed Gillespie (R) 47%
Ralph Northam (D) 46%

This poll was done October 25-27 among 1255 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 10:47 am
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300 Responses to “Another Poll Puts Gillespie In The Lead in VA”

  1. Tina says:

    Go Gillepsie

  2. Tina says:

    Manafort has indicated that he is not aware of any indictments. His attorney indicated the same on Friday.

  3. Wes says:

    Win one for the Gipper, Ed!

  4. Tina says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/OBgynFl/status/924638086406995968

    So many webs we weave…

    Obama paid attorney tied to fusion.

  5. Tina says:

    There are some reports this am that mueller is targeting transactions from 2012-2013.

  6. JC says:

    Is this poll legit? Because on a trading site some users were claiming it was fake.

    Also, I just notice that the latest poll added to the RCP average has Gillespie up by 2 points https://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2017_VA_TPC_10_27_20171.pdf

    Old news? I haven’t heard of it until just now.

  7. Tina says:

    Never heard of this outfit.

  8. Tina says:

    DanRiehl Retweeted
    Helz
    Helz
    @Helzbaby
    ·
    11m
    Replying to @DanRiehl
    It’s fair to say, at this point, that Bill Kristol is having a harder time getting over the 2016 election than Hillary Clinton.

  9. Redmen4ever says:

    We hold these truths to be superfluous, that all persons of whatever gender, genders, or combinations or sequencing thereof, including lack of gender, whether known or unknown, who are not aborted or euthanized, are equal, white cisgen males excepting, and that they are endowed by the government with certain unalienable rights, and that among these rights are: free education, obamacare and obamaphones, food stamps, housing vouchers, heating and air-conditioning assistance, and free hypoallergenic needle exchanges.

  10. mnw says:

    Big sample of LVs.

    RRH says somebody just moved VA Guv from Lean D to Tilt D. No idea who that helps or what the difference is.

  11. mnw says:

    OK. InsideElections, per RRH, has moved VA Guv one notch toward the GOP.

    Apparently “Lean D” is better for the D than “Tilt D.” ( The crap I waste my time on…)

  12. mnw says:

    RRH still has VA Guv likely D, & MO Sen as tossup. (Admittedly they haven’t updated their Guv ratings as recently.)

    I still think that speaks volumes about their editorial inclinations toward the DEMs.

  13. JC says:

    @realDonaldTrump
    Never seen such Republican ANGER & UNITY as I have concerning the lack of investigation on Clinton made Fake Dossier (now $12,000,000?),….

    @realDonaldTrump
    …the Uranium to Russia deal, the 33,000 plus deleted Emails, the Comey fix and so much more. Instead they look at phony Trump/Russia,….

    @realDonaldTrump
    …”collusion,” which doesn’t exist. The Dems are using this terrible (and bad for our country) Witch Hunt for evil politics, but the R’s…

    @realDonaldTrump
    …are now fighting back like never before. There is so much GUILT by Democrats/Clinton, and now the facts are pouring out. DO SOMETHING!
    ————–

    Yes, Sessions. Do something.

  14. Bitterlaw says:

    I want to state that I have confirmed that I am not under indictment in any jurisdiction.

    Cash Cow? I can neither confirm or deny her status.

  15. Tina says:

    All of this bashing od sessions is pointless.

    He will not show his cards ahead of time.

  16. Tina says:

    Drats lose the maine chicklet on the clinton russian dossier.

    Sen. Susan Collins calls for DNC, Clinton campaign members to re-testify on dossier, on @FaceTheNation (link: http://cbsn.ws/2z2EYtA) cbsn.ws/2z2EYtA

  17. Phil says:

    Texans to throw tantrum today.

    Shut the hell up and play football. No one cares about your “grievances”

  18. Phil says:

    In fact, don’t even bother to get on the plane coming back. Just stay in Seattle. You’ll be right at home there.

  19. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – You are doing exactly what the players want. Just ignore them. Separation of Sports and State.

    If the Eagles win the Super Bowl, they can kneel during the parade. I refuse to give them power by letting them take away a sport that I love to watch.

  20. Wes says:

    I never get into Tilt in my rankings. Seriously. Tossup and Lean are perfectly acceptable ways to assess a race’s standing.

  21. lisab says:

    Obama Campaign Paid $972,000 To Law Firm That Paid Fusion GPS

  22. lisab says:

    US left wing groups travelled to Germany for the G20 Summit last July to meet with Al qaeda and ISIS leaders and plot the destruction of President Trump, secret FBI investigation reveals

    nytimes

  23. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Cash Cow? I can neither confirm or deny her status.”

    Just checked the mailbox again.
    No indictment there…

  24. lisab says:

    MOM SHOOTS BURGLAR IN THE BUTTOCKS TO PROTECT HER FAMILY
    Spartanburg, SC (WSPA/CBS) – Sharaia Walker, a Spartanburg mother, defended her family by shooting a man in the buttocks who she says broke into her house looking for money.

  25. lisab says:

    Little girls should not dress up as Moana this Halloween because it is ‘RACIST cultural appropriation’ or Elsa from Frozen because it promotes ‘white beauty’, activists warn

  26. lisab says:

    As the grandfather of two precious girls, I find that no apology can excuse away Donald Trump’s reprehensible comments degrading women, but you got to admit, “david cop-a-feel” is as funny as hell. jeb bush

  27. lisab says:

    Keith Olbermann?Verified account @KeithOlbermann 4h4 hours ago

    We are putting you and your family in jail.

    Starts tomorrow. #Enjoy

    @realdonaldtrump

  28. Bitterlaw says:

    What if they want to be Elsa because they think she is a closeted lesbian?

  29. lisab says:

    Keith Olbermann?Verified account @KeithOlbermann 4h4 hours ago
    More
    BTW do YOU know if it’s @DonaldJTrumpJr being indicted by Mueller tomorrow? Or Kushner? Or Ivanka? Or Manafort? Or Flynn? Bannon? Stone? Or

  30. lisab says:

    What if they want to be Elsa because they think she is a closeted lesbian?
    ————————————

    you cannot out a closeted lesbian

  31. lisab says:

    The Lack Of Women Leaders Is A National Emergency
    Men run everything, and it’s enough already. Want to stop sexual harassment? Fix this now.
    By Emily Peck

  32. DW says:

    Since 10/18 there have been FOUR polls of the VA Gov Race. Gillespie leads in THREE of them.

  33. Bitterlaw says:

    I would not care if all of our leaders were women. Gender does not matter. I just don’t want flaming libs.

    But Bitter, most women are flaming libs in 3…2…1…

  34. DW says:

    34 – I had a similar conversation years ago when I showed up at the polls and a nice black lady said to me, help support diversity on city council, showing a pamphlet at me with the most liberal candidate running, who happened to be black.

    I replied something to the effect that I don’t care what color anyone is if they will lower my taxes and reduce government waste, then that candidate would get my vote.

  35. Phil says:

    OK. It’s official. The Texans are dead to me.

    Screw their black victimhood social justice BS.

    I hope they lose every game. Of course, I won’t be watching and will have a lot of company.

  36. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil gives the players what they want.

  37. Bitterlaw says:

    Great. I am stuck hoping the Redskins beat the Cowboys.

  38. Phil says:

    What am I giving them, Bitter? One less viewer on Sundays? How does that help them in any way whatsoever?

  39. Bitterlaw says:

    You are giving them power over what you watch and making them seem important. You are giving them an excuse to claim they are right that white people don t care about black issues.

    Screw them. I will watch the games and ignore the protests.

  40. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    20. “You are doing exactly what the players want. Just ignore them. Separation of Sports and State.”

    Excuse me. The players are paid to provide a service to the fans. The fans do not need to coddle them. I am done watching professional football. My city lost its football team, now there is talk of them coming back — I don’t want them back, and in a military town like San Diego, a large part of the population feels the same way.

    As far as separation of sports from state, how much money do the taxpayers shell out for the stadiums these crybabies play in. Turn the money spigot off.

  41. JC says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 29, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    Phil gives the players what they want.
    —————

    Less ad revenue? The NFL is losing millions over a generation of brainwashed inner-city youths. Some of us, the ones who understand and appreciate the liberties we enjoy as Americans, would like to put our country before a freakin sports game.

    Remember, it’s the democratic city governments and glorified ‘thug-life’ hollywood culture that taught these people the lies that they believe. Do you have any idea what inner-city kids (and even suburban kids) are being taught nowadays?

    No. You don’t. Because you are old. You have no idea what kind of indoctrination (literally, I’m not exaggerating) is being taught in public schools and colleges. I’m young, and it was bad in HS. I can’t imagine it’s gotten any better. We have young people today who have absolutely NO concept of the importance our founding liberties and constitution. The theories behind our nation’s founding and the sheer brilliance and understanding of human nature by our founders isn’t even taught anymore.

    Today, many young people believe it’s okay to ban speech if someone (them) finds it offensive. Capitalism is evil exploitation and socialism is about love and ‘giving’. They have NO understanding of fundamental economics like supply and demand or how socialism only redistributes wealth, instead of creating it. Public schooling has created the most ignorant and self-righteous generation perhaps in history.

    Politics is downstream from culture. If you do not fight back, the opposition will win. If there’s only one voice they hear, that is the voice they will believe.

  42. JC says:

    And the GOP establishment, like Flake and Corker, are not interested in that culture fight. That is why they were forced out.

    Politics is culture.

  43. Phil says:

    I’m not giving them anything, Bitter. You are ignoring their protests. I get it. I’m ignoring their games. The stupid b*stards are too ignorant to understand they are cutting their own throats. It’s costing their league millions,in revenue and It’s costing people like me nothing at all. I can live just fine without their game and if they want to live without my entertainment dollar let them. There is plenty of other things I can spend my money on than overpriced tickets,concessions and team jerseys. I’m not giving up a blessed thing.

  44. Phil says:

    …and I freely admit I care about black issue about as much as they care about issue effecting whites.

  45. Phil says:

    I’m also not trying to convince them how much I care about “social justice” or Black progress in society”. I’ll leave that to the white liberals who seem so focused on convincing the black community “how much they really care”.

  46. Tina says:

    Tick, tock, tick, tock….

  47. Cash Cow TM says:

    BUTTOCKS

    BUTT SOCK?
    BUT STUCK?

  48. Cash Cow TM says:

    STOCK TUB?

  49. Wes says:

    I think Gillespie wins this by roughly 50-47.

  50. Phil says:

    Yeah, 2-3 points is very possible. The monument issue is actually helping propel Gillespie.

  51. Tina says:

    Ms13 and antifa, helping gillepsie a bit too.

  52. Bitterlaw says:

    JC – GFY. I am 49. My daughter is a HS freshman and my son is in college. I know what is taught in schools and I don’t fear it. I discuss what they learn and provide my thoughts and tell them how to evaluate what they learn.

    Oh no! They learned that Washington owned slaves? Zzzzzzz. He did. That is not all they teach in my excellent district. I fear no idea and no lesson plan. My children are critical thinkers. Their grades do not suffer by saying something different than what their teachers believe.

  53. Bitterlaw says:

    JC – You like to say that the old never defined Establishment has to do what you and people or be swept away and replaced. You are no different than a Bernie supporter or a BLM member. Same attitude. Different side of the political spectrum.

  54. lisab says:

    I think Gillespie wins this by roughly 50-47.
    ————————–

    about the same as the houston seattle game

  55. Bitterlaw says:

    I have the utmost respect for the police. I give them the benefit of the doubt in controversial cases. The police in Baltimore should not have been charged in that case. The South Carolina officer seen on video shooting the heavy, slow black man repeatedly in the back after a traffic stop deserves the death penalty. See how that works?

  56. mnw says:

    BL

    Had no idea you were that young. I’ll be 71 in a few months. I had thought wrongly that you & I were closer in age. I have 2 kids in HS too, believe it or not. Newly divorced; still working fulltime (and then some); two teenagers. I feel sometimes like those grandparents who have to raise their grandkids.

  57. Chicon says:

    57 – I was about to post that article. It was pretty good, I thought.

    PS – Robbie, I suggest you not read it.

  58. Chicon says:

    Bitter just sounds old….

    Eagles stay on course. Better get a bigger bandwagon.

  59. Cash Cow TM says:

    BREAKING….

    MNW IS OLDER THAN WALT!

  60. mnw says:

    Tell me whether Gillespie decides to invite Trump down, & I’ll tell you how confident (or not) Gillespie is. A Trump visit will mean Gillespie thinks it’s too close, & he has nothing to lose.

  61. mnw says:

    Cow

    Indeed. Karmic debt I’m working off, I guess.

  62. Bitterlaw says:

    Cash Cow – Walt lied to you about his age. He is pretty vain.

  63. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw – That sounds exhausting. Good luck.

  64. Phil says:

    Just saw the Texan score. Sounds like the Texan defense never got off their knees after the anthem. lol

  65. mnw says:

    BL

    You said it!

    If you or the other young’uns in your office need any tips on getting started… ? (joke)

  66. mnw says:

    KC Star: “They’re Trump-strong in rural Iowa, and they’re not changing their minds.”

    Dance with the one who brought you.

  67. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m resigned to being stuck with Trumpat least until 2020. I see no reason to become Robbie.

  68. Bitterlaw says:

    I am watching a show on the Secret Service detail of JFK. They all really liked him as a person.

    My view on Kennedy has never changed.

    1. Weak President.
    2. Terrible person.
    3. I’m embarrassed that he was an Irish Catholic.

  69. JC says:

    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/07/13/this-time-we-liberals-have-totally-got-trump-wash-rinse-repeat-n2353881

    The Worldwide ?Leftist Movement is a CULT.

    The ‘true believer’ followers of the Leftist Cult Movement have abandoned the age old heritage and values of the greatest civilization of Mankind’s history, Western Civilization, for the ever morphing, inane blatherings of this Leftist Cult.

    Leftist Cult zombies, whether they be lowly college students in the Leftist run universities, or high powered elites within the government, such as Frau Merkel of Germany, appear to have zero common sense, and seem to never question the slapped together tenets of Leftist Cult Idiotology.

    Change the definition of Marriage? Yes!….Why not? What possible unintended harmful consequences might come from upending the ~100,000 year old custom of marriage being between a man and a woman?

    Next up…We must begin to have the children of our nation question, whether they are, in fact, a girl or a boy. Of course! Why was not this fundamental necessity embraced eons ago?

    Flood our nations with millions of aggressive young, unattached men on the prowl from the most alien cultures and peoples on the planet to our own nations, and SUBSIDIZE them with free benefits, while they engage in a massive crime wave, creating a whole new criminal substructure in our nations? …Why, Yes! Of course! …..Diversity is our strength.

    All of this epic overthrow of eons of cultural heritage of our Western nations is fanatically bulldozed ahead, every day, through every venue the Leftist Cult controls, such as Hollywood, TV, publishing, the education system, government bureaucracy, Leftist Political parties, Leftist street thugs demonstrating to TV cameras. Yet, the Leftist Cult Movement gives nary a thought is to the consequences of their Inane, Slapped together, Agenda. There is ZERO Intellectual investigation of the consequences of the Leftist Cult’s ever evolving AGENDA to TRANSFORM Western Civilization.

    Meanwhile, the Leftist Zealot Zombies decry what they claim to be the “Anti-Intellectualism” of Christians, and how Christians are merely sheep following superstitious practices from ancient history. Never mind that the tenets of the Judeo-Christian heritage are the foundations of the most vibrant, successful civilization to ever exist, and this heritage has proven itself, and thrived for 2000 years, while EVERY NATION on earth where the Leftist Cult has been imposed by totalitarian forces has FAILED in the Leftist Cult’s meager 100 year history.

    Czarist Russia was the first to fall to the Leftist Cult. Russia was a nation which could have thrived, as it was then taking off in it’s own industrial revolution, and accepting the combined miracle growth cure of Western Democratic government, and Capitalism. Instead, Russia FAILED with Leftist Cult Totalitarianism, where tens of millions of good people were deliberately liquidated [murdered] by Leftist dictators such as Stalin, and where Russia finally was forced to abandon communism due to it’s collapse of the whole economic system. Yet, the legacy of totalitarianism in Russia persists, surely, surely due, largely, to the legacy of nearly a century of Leftist Totalitarian rule, which aborted the nascent capitalist/democratic transformation of Czarist Russia in the early 1900’s.

    One of the latest versions of Leftist Cult failure is Venezuela, where they can’t even feed the people, nor even provide toilet paper. Sweden and other Western European nations are told that they have NO native culture, and that their Leftist Governments will force them to become a Multi-Culti disaster, where the natives are the prey, and the ‘Diverse’ people the Leftists Cult leaders deliberately import into the nation are the carnivores.

    The Leftist CULT Movement is a mass insanity and a cancer, which must be overthrown if precious Western Civilization, and it’s peoples who created it are to survive.

    Certainly, the Multi-Culti invasion must be stopped and reversed, or there will be nothing left of Europe and her offspring nations around the world, such as America, Canada, Australia, etc.

  70. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    LoL. JC is the village idiot in a village of idiots.

  71. Bitterlaw says:

    The tradition of marriage between one man and one woman goes back 100,000 years?

    Walt – Is that true? Are Neathdethals included?

  72. JC says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 29, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    I have the utmost respect for the police. I give them the benefit of the doubt in controversial cases. The police in Baltimore should not have been charged in that case. The South Carolina officer seen on video shooting the heavy, slow black man repeatedly in the back after a traffic stop deserves the death penalty. See how that works?
    —————

    Oh, congrats. You said something that virtually no rational person disagrees with. Your peacock-ing is duly noted. Thanks peacock. *high-five*

    It doesn’t address the point I’m making, which is that conservative values (or rather, plain ol’ common sense) is being extinguished in our public institutions. Americanism and pride of our country is constantly being driven out by a group of city-based elites who represent a small ideological minority (about 20%) but non-the-less dominate +90% of pop culture and news.

    And you’re insane if you think this doesn’t have an affect on politics, or how people vote.

    Ask 100 random people which party is more hostile to Jews. Guess what; the majority would say ‘Republicans’, because the left has been so successful in stigmatizing us as neo-n@zis. The TRUTH – that the GOP is the most pro-jewsih and Israel party in America – doesn’t matter. That’s what many people believe because the left dominates the culture – and we (by which I mean the conservative thought leaders) allowed it to happen.

    Ask them which party is racist. A majority would probably say Republicans, because the left has been so successful in branding us as such. Never mind that the left judges everything on ethnicity. Never mind that the dems have morphed into a party of marxist identity politics and racial grievances. Never mind that they are literally accusing an entire racial group (whites) of inherit bigotry due to their ‘whiteness’. The fact is they dominate what people hear and see and learn. And so, Republicans are ‘racists’ to many, especially young people.

    Ask them which party is sexist. Do I need to continue? Remember that entire campaign of war on women?

    To borrow a phrase from a prominent Trump hater, ‘You may not be interested in them. But they are interested in you.’

    Bitter, you are not interested in these cultural fights. That’s fine. That puts you right in line with our Rockefeller-style GOP leadership. All we ask (now demand) is that this tiny ruling-wing of the Republican party step aside so that we can start pushing back against this relentless march of regressivism onto very aspect of our lives.

    Politics is downstream from culture. If you give up the cultural fight, eventually you will die out.

  73. Tina says:

    Lots of empty seats in some nfl stadiums.

    Also, gp reports that jerry jones is attempting a coup against the nfl commish.

  74. NYCmike says:

    I did NOT watch the Texans-Seattle game either.

    BUT, I also did NOT play the Texans QB on my Fantasy team……that decision knocked me to my knees.

  75. Bitterlaw says:

    Czarist Russia was a thriving society? I would have said corrupt, oppressive monarchy.

  76. Bitterlaw says:

    JC- You sound no different than a Millenial leftist. Your tone is the same. It’s just your target that is different.

    I have no intention of stepping aside. I hate leftists, too. However, I am not trading their cult for yours.

  77. NYCmike says:

    MLB player who knelt, Maxwell on the Oakland A’s, was found to have made up story about being refused service, and now was arrested for having a gun.

    Bitterlaw to say it is a non-story in 3…..2…..1…..

  78. NYCmike says:

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/10/how-churches-die.php

    -Some guy predicted this would happen eventually…..

  79. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/andrewklavan/trouble-maggie-haberman/

    -Robbie,

    Don’t read this link…it probably isn’t true.

    “”In a January 2015 strategic memo about ‘Shaping a Public Narrative,’ Clinton officials describe Politico reporter Maggie Haberman as an ideal, friendly journalist willing to generate positive press for the campaign. Under the title ‘Placing a Story,’ the memo states, ‘We feel that it’s important to go with what is safe and what has worked in the past. We’ve had a very good relationship with Maggie Haberman of Politico over the last year. We have had her tee up stories for us before and have never been disappointed. While we should have a larger conversation in the near future about a broader strategy for re-engaging the beat press that covers HRC, for this we think we can achieve our objective and do the most shaping by going to Maggie.’ It almost makes it sound as if Haberman is on the payroll of the Clinton campaign.””

  80. NYCmike says:

    Odd that Robbie has NOT mentioned Maggie much lately…..HA!

  81. NYCmike says:

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/27/virginia-governors-race-exposed-big-immigration-problem-democrats/

    -Well, Bitterlaw and jason believe we should NOT push Democrats to take one difficult vote at all on immigration….much better to just stick with giving up certain positions from the start…….

  82. Phil says:

    80

    Another lying leftist.

    What else is new?

  83. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – It is a story that has no impact on my life.

  84. jason says:

    that this tiny ruling-wing of the Republican party step aside”

    I have stepped aside.

    You deadenders can have the party, feel free to drive it into oblivion.

  85. Phil says:

    Lefties have no moral compass. Lie, cheat…..anything to advance the cause.

  86. NYCmike says:

    “I have stepped aside.

    You deadenders can have the party, feel free to drive it into oblivion.”

    -One sentence right after the other…..with a Republican (and acting like one, so far) in the White House.

    Sometimes people have a tough time being wrong.

  87. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzzzz. Make Democrats vote on immigration. Slashing legal immigration is not the starting point for me.

    I wonder what NYC thought about my view that only vets, Jason, and those who became naturalized citizens actually earned citizenship. The rest of us lucked into it.

  88. NYCmike says:

    “NYC – It is a story that has no impact on my life.”

    -Culture is politics. JC was correct.

    The more we fight for common-sense, the better we will do in elections, and as a country.

  89. mnw says:

    If it weren’t for Drudge, I’d no practically nothing about sex robotics.

    I have trouble with the remote controls on the TV. I don’t need another glitchy machine. Plus, I’d have to put it somewhere my kids would never find it– under the lawnmower or the snow shovel might work..

  90. Bitterlaw says:

    At this moment, there thousands of gay married people doing whatever gay married people. I suspect it is pretty much what straight married people do.

    My life has not changed at all.

  91. mnw says:

    know practically

  92. NYCmike says:

    “I wonder what NYC thought about my view that only vets, Jason, and those who became naturalized citizens actually earned citizenship. The rest of us lucked into it.”

    -I don’t feel guilty about being born where I was, if that is what you mean.

    My main priority, despite you and jason consistently mentioning one item (cut in legal immigraton), is NOT that piece of the legislation. It is just about everything else included in that bill. Chain migration, who decides who gets in, when, why, how, etc….and how often a nation looks at these issues and re-evaluates their policies.

    The status quo is not the right way, unless the Executive enforces the law, which I can’t guarantee, which is why we need to change the law.

    That said, Democrats WILL NOT compromise at all…..because they don’t have to, as Republicans, like you and jason, do it for them.

  93. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw mentions gay people again, and totally misses the whole point……as we have seen, gay marriage was never the issue for the left, it was just a wedge.

  94. JC says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 29, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    JC- You sound no different than a Millenial leftist. Your tone is the same. It’s just your target that is different.

    I have no intention of stepping aside. I hate leftists, too. However, I am not trading their cult for yours.
    —————

    How so Bitter?

    You say you have no intention of stepping aside, yet not only do you do nothing in response to their unwanted and unyielding cultural assault, but you actively go out of your way to chide people who do take a stand.

    You’ve even convinced yourself that by doing nothing, you are actually winning.

    If fighting back (because we definitely didn’t start this war on western values) makes us ‘like liberals’, then you know what? So be it. To be honest with you, we’ve tried taking the high road, being the reasonable bunch, and it isn’t working. We’re always responding by turning our other cheek. We always accept living by the insane double standards. Every egregious smear against us, we respond by ‘not lowering ourselves to them’. When we get beaten at rallies by masked, organized thugs, we don’t fight back, perhaps hoping that the rest of the country will see this violence and sympathies with the rational side.

    It isn’t working. Being pensive and withdrawn will never win us any victories. Donald Trump, for all of his misgivings, understood this.

  95. mnw says:

    Astros. I’ll be damned.

  96. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    “Lefties have no moral compass. Lie, cheat…..anything to advance the cause.”

    LoL. Look at who’s in the white house. Wow, your cognitive dissonance is profound.

  97. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t feel guilt about being born a citizen. I just don’t pretend that I did anything to deserve it or that I am a better person than non-citizens.

    JC – What exactly do you DO other than type and post links to combat the Left? All I can do is vote and live my life.

    You not watching football is not equal to surviving the winter at Valley Forge, marching in Selma, or any action in defense of freedom.

  98. NYCmike says:

    Ride Kershaw….Houston already pulled their starter….stick with your best, Dave Roberts.

  99. NYCmike says:

    “I don’t feel guilt about being born a citizen. I just don’t pretend that I did anything to deserve it or that I am a better person than non-citizens.”

    -You make statements that are absolutely ridiculous, and have nothing to do with the arguments from the people you are arguing with.

  100. NYCmike says:

    “You not watching football is not equal to surviving the winter at Valley Forge, marching in Selma, or any action in defense of freedom.”

    -Lord Bitter Law has spoken!

  101. NYCmike says:

    Cheers.

  102. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not define “winning” by how others live their lives. I can only live mine.

  103. Bitterlaw says:

    Whenever NYC misses the point, he declares the point “absurd.”

  104. Mr.Vito says:

    I think we can all agree that Mr.Bitter hasn’t done anything to deserve it.

    Got your back, buddy!

  105. mnw says:

    What a GREAT WS! Especially for those like me who don’t care who wins.

  106. Bitterlaw says:

    Socks aren’t citizens at all.

  107. JC says:

    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=368213

    Let me start by saying that Donald Trump is a reactionary phenomenon and most of us who voted for him are, by definition, reactionaries. And I would argue that most of this is due to social media…

    Now I’ve understood since the Clinton years that the institutional left was actively seeking to harm me. Historically they’ve primarily done this through policy while other tactics such as demonization, othering, character assassination and lawfare were generally reserved for powerful political players and institutions on the right.

    During the Obama years, we saw a radical shift. No longer were the Tom Delays and the Rush Limbaughs of the world the exclusive targets of what Bill Clinton labeled “the politics of personal destruction.” Your average citizen was now in the cross hairs as well.

    I first became aware of this during the Joe the Plumber episode when the media relentlessly attacked a citizen simply for asking, on his own property where Barack Obama was a guest, a question that happened to make their Boy-King look silly.

    I thought it was a one-off due to the threat that Plumber’s inquiry posed, but soon after the examples piled up–the slandering of the Tea Party movement, targeting of Christian wedding photographers, the harassment of the Memories Pizza owners, etc…

    As this dramatic shift occurred, we began to see another shift within social media, one that reached its apex during the 2016 presidential election. That was the politicization of everything, not just by the institutional left, but by the soft left as well.

    Where before the voters on the left were mostly passive receivers of Cultural Marxism, they had now become active participants via propaganda, slander, social shaming, and otherizing. This meant that conservatives were now being assaulted on two fronts, both from the institutional left and the soft left.

    Every conservative who is active on Facebook knows what I’m talking about. After decades of Americans keeping their politics mostly to themselves, suddenly our feeds were jammed up with political invective.

    It wasn’t just directed at politicians. It was personal–a relentless litany of insults and abuse, first at the Tea Party and then Trump supporters. Most of it was generalized, but the message was clear. They held our kind in contempt and didn’t care who knew it. In fact, they seemed to be in a contest to see who could broadcast it the loudest…

    And so I knew that there was a storm brewing when [my wife] snapped down her phone over breakfast one day after reading Facebook and told me how sick and tired she was of her friends’ political posts.

    “When they say those things,” she fumed, “they’re talking about our family.”

    “I’m so sick and tired of being told that I’m a bad person because I disagree with someone’s position on abortion or transgender bathrooms. Who do they think they are to tell everyone what they’re required to believe?”

    The hurt had turned to anger and quiet resolve.

    The left sought to reprimand the right. What they did was alienate it. Their social media echo chamber only served to steel conservative misgivings about Donald Trump, if for no other reason than we simply couldn’t abide by being pushed around for another 4-8 years.

    It’s one thing to know that your friends disagree with you. It’s another to realize that they think you’re stupid, uneducated, a bigot, bully, sexist, jerk and everything that’s wrong with the world.

    It’s then that you realize that it’s not just the institutional left that yearns to place its boot on your neck, it’s your left-wing neighbors, friends, coworkers and even family. When you see attacks on regular citizens cheered and reinforced by people on Facebook, your worldview changes radically.

    You can no longer believe that they don’t really understand what they’re voting for. It becomes clear that they do–they’re voting to turn you into a second class citizen, an “other” who is not due the same rights and courtesies as their exhalted tribe of Right Thinkers…

    Donald Trump had exposed the press for the lying, shameless partisan hacks that they are. But social media exposed the soft left, the formerly passive Democrat party support.

    This is why the left never saw it coming. They took over public spaces and shouted down the opposition with personal attacks. Horrified conservatives withdrew from engagement, but we didn’t disappear.

    We seethed with resentment and contempt.

    And it drove us to the polls, quietly and without fanfare, like assassins in the night.

    The left still doesn’t know what hit him. They’re still too busy screeching, insulting, protesting, rioting, and trying to manipulate the rules to ask the simple question: Why?

    I’ll tell you why. We see you. We see what you’ve become. And we’re not having what you’ve been dishing out any longer.

  108. Bitterlaw says:

    JC adopts the Bunu style of posting?

  109. Bitterlaw says:

    JC – How insecure are you? If you’re not a racist, sexist, whatever it’s, why do you care what people call you? It’s like when my daughter would get upset if my son called her names. I always asker her, “Are you stupid? Do you smell?” When she said no, I said that there was no reason to be upset.

    If somebody called a racist, I would tell them to F off.

  110. JC says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 29, 2017 at 10:43 pm

    If somebody called a racist, I would tell them to F off.
    —————

    Exactly. If someone smears you, you would stand up for yourself.

    Remaining silent is the worse thing you can do.

    Bitter, the entire democratic party is labeling you and your beliefs as racist. You know that you’re not, but other people don’t. If you remain silent, people will accept that as the truth.

    The NFL players are labeling the police and America as racist.

  111. Bitterlaw says:

    I like watching football. I really don’t care what the players think. They are not going to take the game away from me.

  112. Bitterlaw says:

    JC – Again. What do you do to wage this war? Don’t let NYC answer for you.

  113. Bitterlaw says:

    What’s your back up plan for when Trump leaves the White House? There is no other Trump. It can’t be based on his ideology since his entire ideology is whatever he thinks at the moment.

    If Hillary had won and Senator Ayotte had won, I wanted Kelly to run in 2020. She is experienced, brilliant and conservative.

  114. Gpo says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 29, 2017 at 11:07 pm
    What’s your back up plan for when Trump leaves the White House? There is no other Trump. It can’t be based on his ideology since his entire ideology is whatever he thinks at the moment.

    If Hillary had won and Senator Ayotte had won, I wanted Kelly to run in 2020. She is experienced, brilliant and conservative.

    Yes she is but by 2020 the game would have been over – 6 commies on the Supreme Court and just about all the circuit courts . Amnesty with large amounts of chain migration. The nation would have been irreparably harmed

  115. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    72. “Russia was a nation which could have thrived, as it was then taking off in it’s own industrial revolution, and accepting the combined miracle growth cure of Western Democratic government, and Capitalism.”

    Russia was a backwards agrarian state, run by an incompetent monarchy. There were all sorts of groups trying to overthrow it. It would not have survived regardless.

  116. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Since people are wondering who will be the next Republican candidate after Trump, can anyone tell me who will be the next Democratic candidate in 2020?

  117. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC- Maybe Trump. His ego is big enough to want to be the first President to be elected as a Republican and a Democrat.

  118. Bitterlaw says:

    I still want to know the evidence for marriage being between one man and one woman for 100,000 years.

  119. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Know everyone is on pins and needles regarding the Utah special congressional election in November. The Democrats, smelling victory, have donated over $750,000 to their candidate, Kathie Allen. Meanwhile, the Republican Curtis has only received $560,000.

    The Democrats are ready for an upset: Here is the latest poll:

    Curtis 46%
    Allen 19%
    Bennett 9%
    Others 7%
    Undecided 17%

    Meanwhile, Curtis on Trump.

    “To those who are confused about my stance on President Trump. Let me be clear:

    When Trump is moving an agenda forward that is in harmony with the needs and values of the 3rd District, I’ll be by his side fighting with all my might. When he’s not, I’ll be the first to call him on it and defend our Utah values.

    I will work with Trump to balance the budget. I’m all for removing burdensome regulations and red tape that hampers innovation and stifles economic growth. I believe in a limited government, a strong national defense, capable and qualified Supreme Court nominees and tax reform that helps American families keep more of their hard earned money. I believe in the power of the free market system, and that in a free society we have to defend religious liberties, the Second Amendment and protect innocent life.

    I believe that these words in the Declaration of Independence matter, that we are “endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness,” and when the president’s agenda defends those rights, I will work harder than any other member of Congress to support him.

    But let there be no doubt, although I strongly support securing our borders, I do not believe a wall can be our only response to our nation’s immigration problems. I do believe that we have to respectfully engage in the difficult conversations that will be required to solve these challenging problems without resorting to simplistic solutions, name-calling and bigotry. People in our communities are hurting. We need to calm the anger. We need solutions, not rhetoric; substance, not sound bites.

    I will not support any proposal that bullies or disrespects any human being. I do not support discrimination of any kind, and I will not support the disrespect of women or minorities. I have consistently demonstrated my commitment to these values in my personal life and during my last eight years as mayor. I have a proven track record of respecting others. I believe that caring for people means more than just spending taxpayer money; it means delivering results. It means respecting and challenging our citizens. Often, respecting people means telling them what they need to hear, not simply what they want to hear and I am prepared for those conversations.”

  120. JC says:

    “People in our communities are hurting. We need to calm the anger. We need solutions, not rhetoric; substance, not sound bites.”
    ——————

    Donald Trump has reduced illegal immigration by 75% through rhetoric alone.

    Just by the mere threat that we would enforce our immigration laws.

    So his thinly veiled criticism is meaningless.

    This is the first time I ever heard of Curtis, and already I’m not sure if I want this guy to win. He reeks of the same virtue signaling garbage routinely spewed by the likes of Flake and Corker.

    Just by going out of his way to announce he wouldn’t ‘disrespect women and minorities’ (in other words accusing Trump of doing this) tells me that this is a man who has already accepted the standard media narrative pushed out against [insert hated republican here].

    He has already underhandedly attacked the republican president with standard run-of-the-mill “racist/sexist” liberal talking points.

    Maybe I’m reading too much in to that statement, as I’m sure BL will accuse me of. But I’m tired of having Republicans who are too frightened to be smeared by the media to actually stand on their principles.

    All I see is another amnesty shill.

  121. BRENT says:

    ED WILL WIN BY 4% IMO

  122. JC says:

    @Brent

    I’m guessing he’ll win by 2% 49-47

  123. Bitterlaw says:

    JC is as sensitive as a high school girl. People voting the wat Trump wants is not enough for him. Those people must also agree with every word and thought of Donald Trump. Seems like Mao and his little red book.

  124. Bitterlaw says:

    I never realized that disrespecting women is a conservative principle until JC said it was.

  125. Bitterlaw says:

    Damn. Curtis also does not want to disrespect minorities. JC must think that disrespecting minorities is also a conservative principle.

  126. JC says:

    Bitter, every day you sound more and more like a liberal, constantly putting words in other people’s mouths and projecting your bitterness unto others.

  127. Bitterlaw says:

    For the last few years, I have seen the number of illegals estimated at 11 million to as high as 20 million. Odd that we can’t be precise on that number but know that illegal immigration has been reduced precisely by 75%.

  128. Bitterlaw says:

    You don’t like Curtis stating that he will not disrespect women or minorities. You dismissed it as virtue signaling. Your words.

  129. JC says:

    Curtis did the exact same thing that the Hamilton actors did to Pence. They came out lecturing him about treating everyone equally – what they were really doing was insinuating that he was a bigot.

  130. JC says:

    Bitter, I don’t like him insinuating that being tough on border enforcement is racist.

    Trump has doing what we’ve always wanted, which is enforcing the law. There is nothing ‘racist’ about it

  131. Bitterlaw says:

    I want immigration laws enforced. You are the one who did not like a Republican because he said that he would not disrespect women or minorities. Your words.

  132. Bitterlaw says:

    I heard some people discussing whether last night’s game was the best World Series game ever. Not if you like pitching. 13-12 is not a great game.

  133. JC says:

    BL, you are worse than obamacon.

    Stop with the purposeful misconstruction.

  134. DW says:

    Wow, this is a great world series. Yes, the pitching is not that great, but some of those homers were on pitches out the strike zone. That one was a slider trailing away from the batter and he jerked it out to left anyway.

  135. Bitterlaw says:

    JC – You objected to a Republican saying that he would not support disrespecting women and minorities. You called it virtue signaling. What did I misconstrue?

    It sounds like you do not want somebody who votes the way Trump wants. You want mini-Trumps.

  136. Tina says:

    Manafort and aide, gates? Told to surrender.

  137. JC says:

    Stop with the BS.

    If you invited someone for dinner, and they suddenly stood up and started lecturing you saying ‘you know, I like your family, but… let me just say that you shouldn’t be hateful to blacks and women. I mean, we’re all humans bitter.’

    The insinuation is that you are in fact racist and sexist. It’s what he is implying.

    So, stop with the BS

  138. mnw says:

    New CNU poll has Northam +7 over Gillespie today.

  139. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #143
    Go to October 27th main page on HHR and you will see this CNU poll for VA.

  140. Bitterlaw says:

    So sensitive, JC. If somebody said that to me, I would say, “I agree. We should respect women, minorities and all people equally until they individually give us a reason not to do so.”

    I’m not worried about being called a racist or hater of women for a simple reason. I’m neither of those things. Why are you so worried?

  141. Bitterlaw says:

    If Manafort broke the law, I hope he is convicted. If he did not, I hope he is acquitted.

    Any Trump supporter who wants Manafort found not guilty because “the system” is unfair is no different than blacks who celebrated the OJ verdict. Yeah. I said it.

  142. Hugh says:

    143. At least they are consistent.

  143. Tina says:

    No issues with any charges against manafort.

    However, said charges appear unrelated to muh russian.

    Manafort was being investigated prior to 2016.

    If you break the law, you do the time.

    Law and order as opposed ro rs that want two sets of laws and disorder.

  144. Hugh says:

    146. You’re being an attorney you know that white collar crime is hard to prosecute and rarely done. Here’s what I do not like. When it’s done only as a result of a political process it has little to do with justice and more to do with big government intimidation. I would like to see more white collar crime enforcement but there is so little people are confused as to what it is oftentimes and the laws are clarified through litigation versus regulation.

  145. Bitterlaw says:

    lisab – The good news for you is that Kevin Spacey admits that he is gay. The bad news is that may be a perv.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5030357/Anthony-Rapp-makes-claims-against-Kevin-Spacey.html

  146. mnw says:

    Sheeple

    Thx. I wonder why RRH acts as if it’s new?

  147. NYCmike says:

    “If Manafort broke the law, I hope he is convicted. If he did not, I hope he is acquitted.”

    -More virtue-signalling.

    Who at HHR would say the opposite?

  148. NYCmike says:

    Slavery is EVIL.

    If you did NOT say this today, you must not feel the same way.

  149. mnw says:

    RE: RRH

    What I speculate happened is this: they say “a new poll from CNU” in their report today because it happened before the weekend, & I guess RRH didn’t report it previously.

    So, it’s “new” in that sense, even if it’s not the most recent poll.

  150. NYCmike says:

    I am fine with Curtis giving that boiler-plate b*llsh*t speech that he gave. Win the election, and be a dependable Republican vote in Congress.

    I do know, that like Romney and McCain, he will not be President, simply because as JC stated “Just by going out of his way to announce he wouldn’t ‘disrespect women and minorities’ (in other words accusing Trump of doing this) tells me that this is a man who has already accepted the standard media narrative pushed out against [insert hated republican here].”

  151. NYCmike says:

    And disrespecting women and/or minorities are NOT conservative principles, and JC did NOT say they were.

  152. JC says:

    In regards to my opinion of Bitter on this site, let me just say;

    Whenever Bitter is posting opinions that help advance the conservative agenda then I will happily agree with him.

    However, I must point out that I will never, ever agree to any neo-nazi or anti-jewish hatred. I proudly stand against such bigotry.

  153. NYCmike says:

    ““I agree. We should respect women, minorities and all people equally until they individually give us a reason not to do so.””

    -I do agree with this statement, although I also agree with JC that what the neighbor said was an insinuation.

    I, actually, have had this happen to me, NOT at my house, but when I went away with my family and some of my wife’s friends.

    I had a great night after that, while a couple of the more-liberal-Dads acted like sour-pusses the rest of the night, after I set the record straight, with help from my wife.

  154. JC says:

    Exactly NYCmike.

    It’s what he was implying.

    ‘I’ll vote with Trump when he’s doing what my district wants but I will not support discrimination or racism/sexism.’

    What discriminatory thing is Trump pushing that he couldn’t support?

  155. NYCmike says:

    “However, I must point out that I will never, ever agree to any neo-nazi or anti-jewish hatred. I proudly stand against such bigotry.”

    -Is there a person at HHR who has expressed neo-Nazi opinions, or been anti-Jewish?

    I thought this was assumed, but maybe you need to virtue-signal yourself.

  156. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw still has NOT denounced slavery as evil TODAY…..hmmmmm.

  157. Bitterlaw says:

    Who at HHR would say the opposite?

    Give it time, NYC. I’m sure some Trump supporter will claim it is a witch hunt against poor Manafort for having been involved with Trump.

  158. JC says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 30, 2017 at 9:21 am

    I thought this was assumed, but maybe you need to virtue-signal yourself.
    ———————–

    That was the ironic joke…

  159. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC is always so happy to have an ally no. He never stands alone.

  160. NYCmike says:

    Got it, JC.

    Sorry about that.

  161. JC says:

    Instagram just deleted the_typical_liberal, one of the biggest conservative profiles in their site.

  162. NYCmike says:

    “NYC is always so happy to have an ally no.”

    -Translation?

    I have stood alone many times, my internet friend. I have NOT changed my actions one bit because of my disagreements here, although I have changed my opinion a couple of times when a better set of reasons have been presented.

  163. NYCmike says:

    “Instagram just deleted the_typical_liberal, one of the biggest conservative profiles in their site.”

    -This won’t affect Bitterlaw in any way, as he is NOT on Instagram.

  164. jason says:

    Manafort and some dude who worked with him in 2006?

    The volcano spewed out a pebble.

  165. Bitterlaw says:

    I reread Curtis’ statement. Smart political move to tell the libs to F off if they try to claim he hates women or minorities because he is a Republican. He took the fight to them. I like it. JC does not.

  166. NYCmike says:

    “Give it time, NYC. I’m sure some Trump supporter will claim it is a witch hunt against poor Manafort for having been involved with Trump.”

    jason says:
    October 30, 2017 at 9:30 am

    Manafort and some dude who worked with him in 2006?

    The volcano spewed out a pebble.

  167. Chicon says:

    164 – reports suggest that the investigation of Manafort pre-dates his working for the campaign. So, no witch hunt there. Why, though, is he being charged by Mueller if the charged actions were not related to Russia/campaign (which is what Mueller’s jurisdiction is)?

  168. jason says:

    Jc’s culture wars were lost long ago. Elections have consequences.

  169. Bitterlaw says:

    -This won’t affect Bitterlaw in any way, as he is NOT on Instagram.

    Does it affect you in some way, NYC?

  170. NYCmike says:

    Kevin Spacey is gay.
    Kevin Spacey is a pedophile.

    Harvey, is there any room in Europe with Roman P?

    When I go away with my wife’s friends this (school) year, I will agree, ONCE AGAIN, to not speak about politics.

    I will speak, a lot, about a topic they love, HOLLYWOOD!

    🙂

  171. jason says:

    Probably because Mueller wants him to turn on Trump in a plea deal. Strategy older than the hills.

  172. NYCmike says:

    “Does it affect you in some way, NYC?”

    -Murphy Brown having a child did NOT affect me personally, at the time.

    Has it affected our culture at all? Has it changed what can be taught in schools? Has it restricted certain speech, certain beliefs from actually leaving a person’s mouth?

  173. NYCmike says:

    ” Strategy older than the hills.”

    -Walt,

    Did you have anything to do with this!?!?

  174. Chicon says:

    I agree, Jason, but I’m curious how Mueller has the authority for this charge. I know he’s doing it for the big squeeze.

  175. Tina says:

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download

    Here is 5e indictment.

    Not related to muh russian.

  176. Tina says:

    He has to first review with rostein, who signed off on this.

    It says any action discovered in course of action related to muh russian investigation, paraphrasing.

  177. NYCmike says:

    If found guilty, what is the punishment for the crimes? Does it say in that link?

  178. Tina says:

    Manafort checked the box no to owning foreign accounts. He emailed his accoutnatn in 10/16confirmi g his response of no account is correct.

    The tax return is filed under penalty of perjury.

    The reporting was required after 9/11.

  179. Tina says:

    Also, mortgage fraud, he declared a loan on a property to be a secondary residence, but it was a rental.

    Loan was re ently obtained.

  180. Tina says:

    It is standard sentencing plus forfeiture of assets.

    Most appears related to transactioms from 2006 to 2014.

  181. NYCmike says:

    My question would be: WHY is Manafort only being charged NOW?

    Why didn’t this happen years ago? Son of a B*tch!

    ALL these D.C. cronies should be hung by the b*lls!

  182. Todd McCain says:

    6 months and these are the charges?

    Seriously? Not one count as anything to do with Russia or election meddling.

  183. Trump says:

    Ha ha ha ha

    Trump is purer than driven snow in a blizzard.

    Millions of taxpayer dollars spent on a witch hunt, and NOTHING.

    Was Mueller appointed special counsel to pursue Manafort?

  184. DW says:

    189 – the MSNBC headline directly connected it to Russia, I guess the editor should have read the article before crafting the headline.

  185. Tom says:

    I know someone personally who works on the set of “House of Cards” which is mostly filmed here in Columbia, MD. He says you do not want to be caught alone in a stairwell or room with Kevin Spacey.

  186. Todd McCain says:

    Special Counsels need to come up with someone.

    He went down the only rabbit hole he could find seems to me.

    Maybe more to come or maybe he is pressuring to flip Manafort, but this whole things seems increasingly unlikely to get Trump.

  187. Tina says:

    The drat, jebots are saying the russians hired manafort to be trumps managerfor three months, that is the connection.

    See the erick the red article.

  188. Tina says:

    The flipping manafort is interesting, but he has to have something in order to be flipped.

    He has nothing.

  189. Bitterlaw says:

    I won’t play NYC’s game. He knows my views on slavery.

  190. Cash Cow TM says:

    MANAFORT

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  191. Tina says:

    The claim that the russians hired manafort, is well, looney.

    Manafort was hired to secure the nomination. Had cruz not pulled the steal the delegate game, he would not have been hired.

    Manafort only lasted 3months.

  192. Tina says:

    Manafort was hired because he was only of of three who had knowledge to handle the stesl the delegate game and prevent a fiasco at the nomination process

  193. DW says:

    Wow – a stat from last night’s crazy World Series game 5.

    There were a combined 28 hits.
    There were a combined 28 swings and misses.

    How many times do you have a game where the number of times a batter swings and misses is equal to the number of hits?

  194. Robbie says:

    I was curious to see of the usual suspects would be spinning hard for Dear Leader today and I haven’t been disappointed.

    If Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager and deputy had been indicted by a federal grand jury, the conservative blogosphere and this forum would rightly be running around with their hair on fire.

    By the way Trumpers, former Trump campaign aide George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI on October 5. He lied to investigators about contacting Russians to get dirt on Clinton.

  195. Robbie says:

    As I suspected, Tina is hard at work already and it’s just 7:40 on the West Coast.

  196. Robbie says:

    Manu Raju?
    @mkraju 4m
    4 minutes ago

    Papadopoulos tried to set up Russia-Trump mtg after being told Russians had “thousands of emails;” contact had “substantial” ties to Kremlin

  197. Robbie says:

    Oh

    Phil Mattingly?
    @Phil_Mattingly 5m
    5 minutes ago

    “Following his arrest, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met with the Government on numerous occasions to provide information and answer questions.”

  198. Trump says:

    Fu ck off, cretin Robbie.

    Where is the Trump connection, as*wipe?

  199. NYCmike says:

    Similar game you are playing by making believe there is NOT a culture war going on, one which is trying to rip apart the foundations of this society, mainly: family unit instead of the “village”, individual rights instead of tribal/aggrieved group rights, religious/private organizations instead of state-run welfare agencies.

  200. Trump says:

    Even a hack like Mueller, with unlimited resources, could find nothing, cretin.

  201. Robbie says:

    Preet Bharara?
    @PreetBharara 7m
    7 minutes ago

    Special Counsel Mueller appears to have a cooperating witness, George Papadopoulos. That is significant. Time will tell how significant.

  202. Trump says:

    The “best minds” can’t even define what “collusion” is, and which penal code it violates.

  203. Trump says:

    Preet Bharara? Another fired attorney

  204. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 30, 2017 at 10:44 am
    Similar game you are playing by making believe there is NOT a culture war going on, one which is trying to rip apart the foundations of this society, mainly: family unit instead of the “village”, individual rights instead of tribal/aggrieved group rights, religious/private organizations instead of state-run welfare agencies.

    – Thanks FoxNews talking point generator.

  205. Trump says:

    No wonder the cretin Robbie hangs on to Preet Bharara.

    Is Maggie not tweeting toy your liking now, cretin?

  206. NYCmike says:

    Robbie is off his meds.

    100% agreement that if Manafort is guilty of the crimes committed, he should be punished, and somehow that means people are “spinning hard for Dear Leader”.

    What a kook!

  207. NYCmike says:

    “– Thanks FoxNews talking point generator.”

    -This was in response to Bitterlaw…..

  208. Trump says:

    Trump has a ready-made excuse now to shut down Mueller.

    Pardon Manafort, there is nothing left for Mueller to do.

  209. NYCmike says:

    #215 – clarification –

    My statement was in response to Bitterlaw, not to anything Robbie said.

    Robbie’s statements are too idiotic to seriously respond to.

  210. Trump says:

    And then appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary, Obama, Mueller, Comey, Lynch and the FBI for collusion to sell uranium.

  211. Robbie says:

    Dan Abrams?
    @danabrams

    George papadopolous pleading should be more concerning to Trump team than Manafort indictment. It almost certainly means he is cooperating.

  212. NYCmike says:

    Preet Bharara
    Manu Raju

    Will a tweet from Lord Fauntleroy be next?

  213. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 30, 2017 at 10:48 am
    Robbie is off his meds.
    100% agreement that if Manafort is guilty of the crimes committed, he should be punished, and somehow that means people are “spinning hard for Dear Leader”.
    What a kook!

    – In this instance, I was NOT referring to you.

  214. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 30, 2017 at 10:51 am
    Preet Bharara
    Manu Raju
    Will a tweet from Lord Fauntleroy be next?

    – Right after Tammy Bruce

  215. Chicon says:

    Robbie, read the charging document and quote for us the allegations that have to do with the election. Perhaps there will be later, but it appears not at this point.

  216. Robbie says:

    This is the second meeting with Russians about getting dirt on Hillary. The first was Donnie Jr. I thought the campaign had no contacts with Russians?

    Rebecca Ballhaus?
    @rebeccaballhaus

    Ex-Trump foreign policy adviser met w/Russian professor during campaign seeking “dirt” on Clinton, per court docs

  217. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 30, 2017 at 10:52 am
    Robbie, read the charging document and quote for us the allegations that have to do with the election. Perhaps there will be later, but it appears not at this point.

    – Apparently, you haven’t seen the news about George Papadapolous. He claimed his contacts came before the campaign, but the FBI caught him in a lie and he pleaded guilty on October 5. More importantly, the documents released today say he has been cooperating with Mueller since late July.

  218. Trump says:

    Cretin Robbie is triggered because Mueller fizzled his ejaculation.

  219. NYCmike says:

    “– Right after Tammy Bruce”

    -?? Again with Tammy Bruce?

    What is the fascination?

  220. Chicon says:

    225 – Sounds like you’re aware of inside info. What has George sworn to, exactly.

  221. Chicon says:

    227 – she’s in Robbie’s picture collection.

  222. Trump says:

    “Kasich: “Bulk Of The Republican Party” Supports Immigration, Opposes “Nationalism”

    Talk about having head up his as*.

    This block-head apparently missed 2016 primaries.

  223. NYCmike says:

    Why can’t you be “supporting immigration” while also agreeing with what the press calls “nationalism”?

    I am totally in favor of legal immigration, but simply want our federal government to consistently re-evaluate the national picture when deciding how many people to admit.

    They should also seek to minimize any welfare payments for incoming immigrants, the same as how my family has NEVER received welfare payments, even though I was so lucky to be born in this country.

  224. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 30, 2017 at 11:10 am
    225 – Sounds like you’re aware of inside info. What has George sworn to, exactly.

    – It’s only inside info if you believe documents released by the court today show what Papadopolous pleaded guilty on October 5 and notes that he is a cooperating witness since his arrest on July 27.

  225. Chicon says:

    Yeah, Robbie, this Pappa guy was a low level guy who probably never met Trump. He sent an email to the foreign policy team suggesting a meeting with Russian officials to talk about relations between the countries after the election (he pled guilty to lying about it).

    Big question – do you think a low level guy in the campaign is really in on a risky scheme with Russia to help fix the election?

  226. Chicon says:

    232 – do you have anything on the content of said cooperation?

  227. NYCmike says:

    Robbie is simply re-posting the latest speculation. Same as he always does.

    If it amounts to anything, the people should be punished.

    Robbie can’t wait for that day! So exciting!

  228. Todd McCain says:

    This Papa person was an extremely obscure policy aide; interesting, but the main fish, Manafort, has absolutely nothing in his indictment that states anything about the Trump campaign or Russia…..

  229. Robbie says:

    A low level guy?

    Manu Raju?
    @mkraju

    Trump in March 2016 called Papadoplous an “excellent guy” and member of his foreign policy team.

  230. Chicon says:

    If Papa has a return email from someone high up saying “sure, set it up, we’re interested in getting their help fixing the election”, then you’ve got something going on.

    If the email was rebuffed, or never answered, then what will be the value of the “cooperation”?

  231. NYCmike says:

    Ragu has got the sauce on Trump…I mean source.

  232. Chicon says:

    237 – that’s it! The smoking gun!

  233. NYCmike says:

    Chuck,

    Stand up if you have ever heard about this Papa guy before?

  234. Chicon says:

    Mike, everything after this will be (red) gravy.

  235. NYCmike says:

    Come on Chuck, stand up!

  236. Trump says:

    Manafort fizzled, so cretin Robbie is now peddling Papa.

  237. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 30, 2017 at 11:31 am
    Robbie is simply re-posting the latest speculation. Same as he always does.
    If it amounts to anything, the people should be punished.
    Robbie can’t wait for that day! So exciting!

    – Lol! Is a court document speculation, NYCMike?

    https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/925004084867944448

  238. NYCmike says:

    Robbie is jumping on the (gravy) train.

  239. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 30, 2017 at 11:34 am
    237 – that’s it! The smoking gun!

    – You just wrote he was low level guy who probably never met Trump.

    Well, President Moron certainly seemed to know who he was since he called him an excellent guy.

  240. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 30, 2017 at 11:33 am
    If Papa has a return email from someone high up saying “sure, set it up, we’re interested in getting their help fixing the election”, then you’ve got something going on.
    If the email was rebuffed, or never answered, then what will be the value of the “cooperation”?

    – Here’s a thought, Chicon. Before you reflexively start defending Trump, maybe you ought to be aware of the story.

    I know this is a crazy thought, but a court document detailing Papadopolous’ guilty plea and the things to which he admitted to lying might be a good place to start.

  241. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 30, 2017 at 11:35 am
    Chuck,
    Stand up if you have ever heard about this Papa guy before?

    – Stand up in 1973/74 if you had heard of Alexander Butterfield before when he admitted there was a taping system.

    Just because you’ve never heard of someone doesn’t mean that person is no big deal.

    Whether you want to accept it or not, Papadopolous is now the second member of the Trump team (Donnie Jr the first) to have been found meeting with Russians about colluding to get emails.

    I thought Trump told us there were no meetings with Russians?

  242. JC says:

    Trump is the cleaning politician perhaps in history.

    The most investigated person ever, in the vain hopes that they could find SOMETHING, anything to overthrow the election results.

    And they found nothing.

    The deep state is being destroyed.

  243. Tina says:

    I am so excited

    Jebot

  244. Tina says:

    Company a anb cited in the i dictment, one of them is creepy podestas company.

    Uh oh.

  245. Tina says:

    Trump triggering with latest tweets

  246. Tina says:

    Papadopoulos was an unpaid foreign policy campaign adviser who stupidly lied to the FBI. He wanted Trump to meet Putin, Trump Team said no.

    Yup. There is the collussion loon.

  247. NYCmike says:

    As with all-things-Robbie, it will be interesting to see what actually comes of all this.

  248. CG says:

    Trump is going to be brought down by Webster’s Dad. Sweet.

  249. Tina says:

    One of the charges is for fara violation, failing to register.

    Podesta did the same.

    Both fixed it afterwards.

    While chargeable, nobody has been prosecuted

  250. CG says:

    Of course, the other charges involve “conspiracy against the United States” for alleged offenses that occurred in 2016 and 2017. It’s a little hard to look past those.

    The fact that Manafort was allowed to surrender in person and was not frog marched means he is probably cutting a deal with Mueller.

  251. Chicon says:

    Robbie out over his skis again. Papa suggested a meeting. Higher ups say no way, Trump’s not doing that. Meeting didn’t happen. Huge story.

  252. NYCmike says:

    Let me fix that statement by “CG”:

    “The President is going to be brought down by Webster’s Dad. Sweet.”

    -Just to be clear about what we are thinking is “Sweet.”

    I will also note that in 8 years of Obama, I never wanted the country to have an impeachment or a foreign-inspired scandal.

    I did want Obama soundly defeated at the ballot box, and for a Republican Congress to refuse to pass any of his initiatives.

  253. CG says:

    Well, if Obama did something criminal he would have deserved the investigation. There certainly was a lot of questionable behavior in his Administration by Lois Lerner, Eric Holder, et. al.

    The Clinton Admin was ripe with corruption and I supported consequences for those people, including the impeachment of Bill Clinton for perjury and obstruction of justice.

    Of course if Trump and the people around him did nothing wrong, they should have nothing to worry about.

  254. CG says:

    If Mr. Drummond becomes a cooperating witness, look out!

  255. Tina says:

    nothing in the indictment mentions russian collusion, collusion with foreign gubment, etc.

  256. Tina says:

    Papa whatever lied to the fbi. He pleaded, but there is nothing for him to turn against trump.

    Lots of lunancy.

    Btw, the podestas have now lawyered up.

  257. Tina says:

    Their company is cited generically in the indictment.

    Podests also have a clear fara violation. Yes, they fixed it, like manafort, but after.

  258. CG says:

    Manafort has huge, huge problems to say the least. The fact that he was the first indictment, rather than someone minor, is a sign that Mueller thinks he is closer to getting Trump. That just appears to be the reality of the situation, whether one thinks Trump is a Boy Scout or not.

    By the way, should he just pardon Manafort and Papadapolous today? The White House is already saying that Manafort is a “bad guy.”

  259. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 30, 2017 at 12:12 pm
    As with all-things-Robbie, it will be interesting to see what actually comes of all this.

    – Hello! Is anyone in there? I’m not citing speculation, NYCMike.

    I’m quoting court documents released as part of Papadopolous’ guilty plea. These are the things to which he pleaded guilty. It’s not speculation. It’s fact. Why is this so hard to understand?

  260. NYCmike says:

    Agreed on consequences.

    I do not agree such actions being considered “Sweet.”

  261. CG says:

    You have no sense of humor and no appreciation for 80s sitcoms, NYC. Were you not allowed to watch?

  262. Tina says:

    The only thing mentioned recently would be mortgage fraud violations, after he was let go.

    Nothing mentioning collussion.

  263. NYCmike says:

    That statement said nothing about “speculation”, Robbie.

    If Manafort and this Papa character did something wrong, they will be punished.

    If that is all that comes from this, what are you so excited about?

  264. Tina says:

    Manafort wa the first to make the inquiry legit. That way when ds are charged, the drats cannot complain.

  265. CG says:

    I wonder what kind of singing voice Mr. Manafort has…

  266. CG says:

    When the D’s are charged?

    Jared and his father-in law?

  267. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 30, 2017 at 12:22 pm
    Robbie out over his skis again. Papa suggested a meeting. Higher ups say no way, Trump’s not doing that. Meeting didn’t happen. Huge story.

    – Your Trump dunce cap is on too tight.

    The man pleaded guilty to lying about meetings he had with Russians. The court documents released as part of his guilty plea detailed what he did. I said nothing about the smoke screen you tried to deploy.

    For goodness sake. Stop spinning.

  268. Tina says:

    Trumps attorney no concerns with manafort.

    It seems largely tax related matters steemoing from the 2000s, when bush was in president.

  269. NYCmike says:

    I saw “Webster” mentioned on one of the Twitter links, but did not read that part.

    Maybe if you had given the source a proper credit, instead of making your simple comment, I would have realized you were making a joke about the President of the United States being “brought down”.

  270. CG says:

    What was he charged with involving conspiracy in 2016 and 2017?

  271. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 30, 2017 at 12:33 pm
    That statement said nothing about “speculation”, Robbie.
    If Manafort and this Papa character did something wrong, they will be punished.
    If that is all that comes from this, what are you so excited about?

    – For the love of God, NYCMike. “If Papa character did something wrong”? He already pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI on October 5. Are you paying any attention?

  272. CG says:

    There’s a lot of things you need to be better at “realizing” NYC.

    I didn’t get the reference from Twitter though. I remember Webster’s dad. I believe in one episode he was a former teammate of Walter Payton.

  273. Tina says:

    Nothing related to collusion

  274. CG says:

    The indictment against Papadapolous is reported to be under seal because the release could compromise his value as a cooperating witness. That sounds pretty ominous to say the least.

  275. Trump says:

    The fu ck ed Never Trumpers got their dreams crushed, now they are pinning hopes on Whatever.

  276. Robbie says:

    If Hillasy had been elected president and John Podesta had just been indicted, Tina would be calling for Hillary’s impeachment and probably far worse. Instead, she’s shilling for Trump with crappolla straight from Gateway Pundit, Mike Cernovich, and some of her other alt-right Trump fan boys.

  277. Tina says:

    Lengthy indictment and nothing on collusion. Since these offenses occured, by in large, under obama and bush dojs, curious ehy they did not catch it?

  278. Trump says:

    The cretin Robbie cannot even cite one law.

    Anything, as*wipe?

  279. Tina says:

    The loons are trying to find collusion.

  280. Tina says:

    Very curious that the ira, doj missed this under bush and obama, no excuse for it.

  281. CG says:

    I think the legal community conventional wisdom is that charges can always get added. Indictments are handed down as they relate to documents that they have in their possession, not what personal conversations might have been had.

    But either Mr. Manafort has nothing on anyone else, and thus there is nothing to worry about, or he is going to sit in his cell tonight and for the next several months and remain loyal.

  282. CG says:

    I would recommend, Tina, NYCMike and “Trump” for a legal defense counsel.

    Talk about a “dream team.”

  283. Robbie says:

    New thread

  284. Tina says:

    Papa was turned in by trump campaign citing logan act violations.

    Papa was found shopping for a book deal.

    Credible witness.

  285. Tina says:

    Cg is an idiot

  286. DW says:

    Quinnipiac all in for Northam, says he leads Gillespie by 17 points.

  287. DW says:

    Polling is dead. When Hampton U says Gillespie +8, and Quinnipiac says Northam +17 it is clear nobody knows from polling what is going to happen.

  288. DW says:

    Of the two, at least Hampton U is actually located in VA. But all along I have not been basing my predictions on polls. I am still saying Gillespie wins by 1-3 points.

  289. Bitterlaw says:

    Mr. Drummond raised Arnold and Willis. His own daughter was Kimberly. The housekeeper was Mrs. Garrett. Sadly, she eventually left to work at an all-girls school.

    Webster was a pale imitation of Arnold.

  290. Diamond Jim says:

    test

  291. messy says:

    wait for it….

  292. messy says:

    three hundred.