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Northam Holds 17% Lead Over Gillespie in VA

And back in the other direction we go. Quinnipiac University’s latest poll for the gubernatorial race in Virginia shows Ralph Northam with a huge 175 lead over Ed Gillespie.

GOVERNOR – VIRGINIA (Quinnipiac)
Ralph Northam (D) 53%
Ed Gillespie (R) 36%
Cliff Hyra (L) 3%

This poll was done October 25-29 among 916 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 12:38 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (1,217)

1,217 Responses to “Northam Holds 17% Lead Over Gillespie in VA”

  1. Robbie says:

    Daniel Dale?
    @ddale8

    Papadopoulos is described as “proactive cooperator.” Former prosecutor tells me that sometimes means “wore a wire.”

  2. Tina says:

    Papa tried shopping for a book deal.

  3. CG says:

    Obama personally taped the wire on his body.

  4. CG says:

    The musical theme of this could be “Papa Don’t Preach.”

    Someone is in trouble, deep.

  5. Robbie says:

    Feds ask to seal Papadopolous’s because it could undermine his ability to be a “pro-active cooperator”.

    https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/925021552009269255

  6. Robbie says:

    If Tina didn’t have Gateway Pundit, she’d have nothing to post.

  7. Tina says:

    There is nothing in here that says he did anything to collude, or violate any law with interactions.

    It is clear that he lied to fbi though about meeting dates, etc.

    So, no collusion here. The document is clear.

  8. Robbie says:

    Notice how Tina has shifted her Trump defenses between there’s nothing to see here, to Mueller’s winding down his work, to there’s no collusion, to so what if there’s collusion it’s not a crime.

  9. Tina says:

    The plea and incdict,emts simply do not referrnce collusion.

    If the do, please enlighten me.

  10. Tina says:

    Notice How the jebots are not interested in the mueller matter, but they are…

  11. Paul says:

    Countdown to President Pence.

  12. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #7
    But OK to rely on a Toronto newspaper reporter(#1) and a Buzzfeed babe(#6).

  13. Paul says:

    Who shat on my lawn?

  14. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    The new Quinnipiac VA poll is D+13.

  15. Robbie says:

    Donald Trump falls to an all-time low in Gallup. His approval rating is just 33%. #MAGA

    Thankfully, only Rasmussen and Emerson are real polls, amirite?

  16. Chicon says:

    14 – lol. Robbie’s mind short-circuited months ago.

  17. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:04 pm
    #7
    But OK to rely on a Toronto newspaper reporter(#1) and a Buzzfeed babe(#6).

    – I rely on a whole host of news sources. It’s why I have never fallen for the crap Trump’s alt-right goons have pushed on dopey people.

  18. Paul says:

    Sorry about the lawn, Soccer Mom.

  19. Tina says:

    I linked to both the indictment docs and the plea for papa.

    I see no collusion in any of thendocuments.

    Manaforts charges by in large preceed the campaign.

    Papas plea does not indicate anything done illegaly with respect to collusion.

    There is no evidence of collusion in these documents,

  20. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:09 pm
    14 – lol. Robbie’s mind short-circuited months ago.

    – Says the guy who fell for Napolitano’s claim Obama used British intelligence to spy on Trump. Discredited CIA officer Larry Johnson’s a great source, right?

  21. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:12 pm
    I linked to both the indictment docs and the plea for papa.
    I see no collusion in any of thendocuments.
    Manaforts charges by in large preceed the campaign.
    Papas plea does not indicate anything done illegaly with respect to collusion.
    There is no evidence of collusion in these documents,

    – Send your views to Mueller. I’m sure he’s eager to hear them.

  22. Chicon says:

    Podesta’s brother stepping down from his firm. Under investigation by Mueller, according to Politico. Is that an acceptable source, Robbie?

  23. Tina says:

    zero hedge reports that creepy podesta is stepping down,

    Under investigation.

    We do know that one of manaforts charges is fara violation. The same could be charged against podesta.

  24. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:14 pm
    Podesta’s brother stepping down from his firm. Under investigation by Mueller, according to Politico. Is that an acceptable source, Robbie?

    – Absolutely. It’s called a fact.

    What I object to are the alt-right goons who offer commentary and it is then provided here and other places as FACT.

  25. Tina says:

    Podesta, both tony and creepy, hire attorneys.

    Ruh roh.

  26. Chicon says:

    25 – Allegedly Manafort worked for Podesta’s for awhile. Connection, or no?

  27. Tina says:

    Wher is the muh rusian in any of the actual government docs, the plea or the indictments.

    Where is waldo?

  28. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Gallup has Trump’s approval today at 55%. Here is the breakdown regionally:
    East- 29%
    Midwest- 35%
    South- 40%
    West- 33%

    The Midwest and South appear to be way off. What say you?

  29. Chicon says:

    26 – don’t you see that you do the same thing? It is a rare fish that know’s it is wet.

  30. Tina says:

    POdestas being looked at for pr lobbying.

    Ruh roh.

  31. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #30
    Change: 33% today

  32. Tina says:

    I see it is 44percent in ras, best polling right now.

  33. jason says:

    I am glad the usual bottom feeders Wobbie and CG who are attracted to MSM garbage on Trump like maggots to roadkill think “setting up meetings to dig up dirt on Clinton” is a criminal offense, since it is now verified Hillary paid foreign agents money to give to Russians to dig up dirt on Trump.

    What is good for the goose surely is good for the gander.

  34. Chicon says:

    Sheeple, I think you have a typo…

  35. Tina says:

    SO, if papa was trying to get dirt on hillary, why was he not charged with collusion?

  36. Tina says:

    I really do not see how mueller can go forward.

    He oversw u1as the fbi director.

    That issue needs a sep sp.

  37. jason says:

    Gallup has Trump’s approval today at 55%. Here is the breakdown regionally:
    East- 29%
    Midwest- 35%
    South- 40%
    West- 33%

    Is it 2050% in Guam and American Samoa, so it brings up the average to 55%?

  38. Tina says:

    PRetty clear that parehett birrara or whatever he calls himself did not read the plea.

  39. Chicon says:

    According to Turley and Dershowitz, there is no such crime as collusion with the Russians.

  40. jason says:

    The screaming headline here is that none of this points to any collusion or really anything against Trump.

    As I said before, the volcano spew out a pebble.

    Wobbie and the MSM trying hard to make something big out of it.

    CG terms the Papadoulos thing “ominous”, so hope spring eternal.

  41. jason says:

    So Mr. Mueller:

    WHERE’S THE BEEF?

  42. Tina says:

    The papa plea clearly shows that he lied. It also shows that the trump,campaign refused to meet with poty poot.

  43. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:20 pm
    I see it is 44percent in ras, best polling right now.

    – I’m still waiting for the “but Rasmussen” crowd to tell me how a robo-pollster can conduct a credible national poll when several of the 50 states do not allow robo-polling in their state.

  44. Tina says:

    Lying about dates, meeting russian chick, etc., is not collusion,mhowever.

  45. Tina says:

    Rconspiracy loons, please link tot he collusion?

  46. Chicon says:

    Jason, Robbie reports that a Buzzfeed reporter says this is all a really big deal.

  47. jason says:

    Countdown to President Pence.”

    Zzzzzzz…..

    Paul wants to overturn the legitimate results of the election.

    It a moonbat was President, “count every vote, respect the results, save our Democracy”.

    The hypocrisy is astounding.

  48. Tina says:

    I womder what tony podesta, aka blob is hiding.

  49. Tina says:

    Flakey is pondering an indepedent senate bid.

    Losah

  50. jason says:

    “jason, Robbie reports that a Buzzfeed reporter says this is all a really big deal”

    He must be glued to his usual sources: DKos, MSNBC, HuffPo, NPR, NYT…. all fine examples of unbiased journalism.

  51. Chicon says:

    51 – I thought he had to leave because he had children and grandchildren to answer to?

  52. jason says:

    Flakey is pondering an indepedent senate bid.”

    I will send him money if he does.

    Might save the seat from a liberal Dem.

    Oh wait, SEND A MESSAGE.

  53. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:20 pm
    I am glad the usual bottom feeders Wobbie and CG who are attracted to MSM garbage on Trump like maggots to roadkill think “setting up meetings to dig up dirt on Clinton” is a criminal offense, since it is now verified Hillary paid foreign agents money to give to Russians to dig up dirt on Trump.
    What is good for the goose surely is good for the gander.

    – LOL. HHR’s biggest fraud has arrived to spin for Trump. The guy you bashed all throughout 2015 and 2016 and then supported because he won with a R next to his name has repeatedly told us, not only was there no collusion, there were no meetings with Russians.

    Of course then we found out that Donnie Jr. met with Russians hoping to get dirt on Clinton and now we know a second person with the campaign did the same thing, lied about it, and then had to plead guilty about lying over it.

  54. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:24 pm
    According to Turley and Dershowitz, there is no such crime as collusion with the Russians.

    – The evolution of the Trump position:

    There’s no evidence of collusion or meetings with Russian.

    There were meetings, but there is no collusion.

    So what if there’s collusion, it’s not a crime.

  55. Tina says:

    Loonbots.

    Colusion is proven in the indictments and plea because madcow says so.

  56. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:22 pm
    PRetty clear that parehett birrara or whatever he calls himself did not read the plea.

    So says constitutional scholar Tina.

  57. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Far-Right always deflects but the narrative is clear:

    Trump has horrible judgment in his associates and horrible judgment himself. Even if he didn’t collude, he clearly has no idea since he runs a fast and loose ship firing Comey because of the Russian investigation and letting Tom Price steal from tax payers among many other failures of judgment.

    That’s why Trump is deeply underwater.

    You should hope he gets impeached. The more time President Pence gets to govern, the more time the GOP can differentiate itself from the Trump brand. Gerald Ford almost beat Jimmy Carter after all.

    But keep going along with the Trump Train off the cliff. Trump demeans everything and everyone he touches and every day makes the blue tsunami larger.

  58. Tina says:

    Wow, politico cites tony stepping down to mueller probe.

  59. Tina says:

    Where is the collusion loon.

  60. Chicon says:

    Robbie, what do the libs say is the reason Pappa’s plea deal was made public today?

    Do you find it interesting that said plea didn’t leak earlier? And that the indictment leaked quickly?

  61. DW says:

    Hampton University – Gillespie +8
    Quinnipiac University – Northam +17

    Obviously polling is largely dead and we should forecast election results using other means.

    I still say Gillespie wins by 1-3 points.

  62. Phil says:

    Rachal Maddow says collusion?

    Well, that settles it. Throw them all in jail.

  63. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:27 pm
    Jason, Robbie reports that a Buzzfeed reporter says this is all a really big deal.

    – Meanwhile, Chicon said this wasn’t a big deal before actually knowing what the story was about Papaodopouls. But he did think Andrew Napolitano’s claim that Obama used British intelligence to spy on Trump was a big deal.

  64. Tina says:

    Sekolow trump not firing the sp mueller.

    Tick to k, tick tock.

  65. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:29 pm
    “jason, Robbie reports that a Buzzfeed reporter says this is all a really big deal”
    He must be glued to his usual sources: DKos, MSNBC, HuffPo, NPR, NYT…. all fine examples of unbiased journalism.

    – Meanwhile, you were glued to FoxNews talking about a new cheeseburger emoji this morning rather than cover the breaking news about Manfort’s and Gates’ indictment.

  66. Phil says:

    Pete Wilson, Paul, and Robbie all on the same thread at the same time. Did I log onto a Daily Kos chat room?

  67. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    1h
    Mueller’s big get was a millennial who tried and failed to set up meetings, and nervously lied to FBI about dates.

    America is safe again.

    Lol, collusion.

  68. Chicon says:

    56. Robbie, try to keep up. Tina asked about why no collusion charge. I cited two legal scholars to point out that such a crime doesn’t exist, and can’t be charged as such. Your fever is raging again.

  69. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:36 pm
    Robbie, what do the libs say is the reason Pappa’s plea deal was made public today?
    Do you find it interesting that said plea didn’t leak earlier? And that the indictment leaked quickly?

    – Everything seems to be a conspiracy with you. No wonder you fell for Napolitano’s claim.

  70. jason says:

    rning rather than cover the breaking news about Manfort’s and Gates’ indictment.”

    Real exciting huh?

    The fact is has nothing to do with Trump or collusion escaped you, but I am glad you are so excited.

    When you lead as miserable an existence as you do, still looking for Jeb Bush’s real killer, its nice you have something to cheer about.

    So happy for you…

  71. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:38 pm
    Pete Wilson, Paul, and Robbie all on the same thread at the same time. Did I log onto a Daily Kos chat room?

    And almost at the same time, the pro-Trump spin commenced here.

    Did I log on to a Breitbart chat room?

  72. Tina says:

    The lack of collusion is mentioned in papas plea.

    Big time fail bynthe drats here.

  73. Chicon says:

    65 – yep, so far Pappa is a nothing burger. Perhaps it will be in the future.

  74. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:39 pm
    56. Robbie, try to keep up. Tina asked about why no collusion charge. I cited two legal scholars to point out that such a crime doesn’t exist, and can’t be charged as such. Your fever is raging again.

    – And you’re raging trying to defend Trump so I guess some things never change.

    I guess you believe these are the only indictments Mueller will ever bring.

    if so, you’re going to be wrong.

  75. Phil says:

    No spin, Robbie. Where in the indictments does it say collusion? Enlighten us, oh wise one.

  76. Tina says:

    That is why when all else fails read the actual plea or indictments, rather than wishnfor ohantom collusion, loonbots.

  77. Tina says:

    I linked to both documents, loonbot then said i pulled it from gp, or some other site.

    Lol, proves that neither loonbot or pareeta read the stuff, but went on tv.

    It is clear no collusion in the plea.

  78. jason says:

    Trump has horrible judgment in his associates and horrible judgment himself. Even if he didn’t collude,…”

    LOL, even the stupid troll is moving the goal posts.

    Now, the problem is “horrible judgment”, collusion is dead.

    Let’s impeach Trump because we don’t like his judgment.

    I love this place.

  79. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:42 pm
    65 – yep, so far Pappa is a nothing burger. Perhaps it will be in the future.

    – LOL. Trump chumps say the funniest things. He’s described as a cooperating witness. I guess he’s cooperating on Hillary, right?

  80. CG says:

    Papadapolous was arrested in July and that never leaked.

    I am sure that anyone who has had conversations with him since July have absolutely nothing to hide and thus should not be the least bit concerned. #maga

  81. Tina says:

    The plea actually proves no collusion.

    Ha

  82. jason says:

    I guess you believe these are the only indictments Mueller will ever bring.”

    There we go.

    MOVE THOSE GOALPOSTS.

    Yeah, ok, no collusion here, BUT WAIT, maybe more indictments, DONT LOSE HOPE.

    Hilarious. Wobbie provides with endless entertainment, you have to give him that.

  83. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:43 pm
    No spin, Robbie. Where in the indictments does it say collusion? Enlighten us, oh wise one.

    – I guess you think Mueller has filed his only charges?

    Remember, I have repeatedly said Trump did not collude with Russia because there’s Zero evidence he was competent enough to do so. I also said Manafort and Flynn would almost certainly be indicted.

    All that said, we’ve gone from there’s no collusion to who care because it’s not illegal. It doesn’t bother you that the Trump campaign’s original story has clearly changed?

    If this was about the Hillary campaign, I’m sure you’d be giving her the benefit of the doubt, right?

  84. Chicon says:

    Phil, ask Robbie if he saw the part in the plea deal where Pappa was rebuffed by the campaign in his efforts.

  85. CG says:

    Wow, Papadapolous is practically from my neighborhood.

  86. jason says:

    am sure that anyone who has had conversations with him since July have absolutely nothing to hide and thus should not be the least bit concerned.”

    LOL

    Is that what you are pinning your hopes on?

    Good luck.

  87. Tina says:

    Where is the russian collusion in the papa plea, loons?

    I just linked the entire document as well as the rebuffs from team trump.

    Papa is low fish liar.

  88. Phil says:

    Got it Robbie. Charges yet to come.

    Just wait for it. Okie Dokie.

  89. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:46 pm
    I guess you believe these are the only indictments Mueller will ever bring.”
    There we go.
    MOVE THOSE GOALPOSTS.
    Yeah, ok, no collusion here, BUT WAIT, maybe more indictments, DONT LOSE HOPE.
    Hilarious. Wobbie provides with endless entertainment, you have to give him that.

    – How am I moving the goalposts, HHR’s biggest fraud?

    Where have I ever said Trump would be indicted? Nowhere, fraud.

    I have repeatedly said I expect Manafort and Flynn to be indicted and that Trump will not be charged with anything.

    But keep spinning to make yourself feel better for having to defend Trump just because he won. I’m sure you’d be doing the same for Clinton.

  90. Tina says:

    Paging loons, please link to the collusion.

  91. CG says:

    I saw the part of the document where a senior Trump campaign official said they should send a “low level” official to Russia “so as to not send any signal.”

    This may not have been a great morning for whomever that senior Trump campaign official was.

  92. Tina says:

    Loons where is the collusion mentioned in the plea?

    Documents show that the trump higher ups rebuffed papa.

    Oh, but preeet says otherwise.

  93. Tina says:

    The loons are flailing.

  94. jason says:

    where Pappa was rebuffed by the campaign in his efforts.”

    And even if had succeeded in arranging meetings, that still would not have proved any collusion, haven’t the Dems said oppo research is normal in campaigns.

    CG and Wobbie are desperate to find something to hang on to here, but all they have is that Manafort, who was briefly campaign manager, may have committed crimes in years past.

    Those are the facts. Sure, maybe there is more coming, but today’s indictment has zero to do with collusion and/or Trump. Nada, zilch, nothing.

  95. CG says:

    I don’t know. I’m not a lawyer. If someone broke the law, they should face the consequences. If someone did not, they should be cleared. Seems pretty simple.

  96. Tina says:

    Anna Palmer ? @apalmerdc
    Sources: Podesta told firm he “doesn’t intend to go quietly, or learn how to play golf.” He said he “needs to fight this as an individual.. https://twitter.com/apalmerdc/status/925045862086082560
    10:06 AM – Oct 30, 2017

    Hopefuly, they will,not seize his ugly art.

  97. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:50 pm
    Got it Robbie. Charges yet to come.
    Just wait for it. Okie Dokie.

    – If you think Flynn isn’t going to be indicted or cut a deal with Mueller, then what planet have you been living on?

    If you thought Mueller was going to issue his findings all at once, then you haven’t been paying attention to the way federal prosecutions work. They’re often rolling investigations that work there way up the food chain.

    If nothing else happens, then I’ll freely admit I was wrong just like I admitted I was wrong about Trump winning last year.

  98. jason says:

    said they should send a “low level” official to Russia “so as to not send any signal.”

    Wow!!

    This proves collusion?

    LOL.

  99. Tina says:

    Clearly podestas worried. Theynare memtioned in the indictments, but not by name, only the company.

    The papa plea supports no collusion..

  100. DW says:

    98 – Lucy has pulled away the football from them.

  101. Chicon says:

    Robbie, I see you’re interpreting the plea in a way that you’d like it to go, which you chastised others for earlier. Nice play.

    Can you site the part of the plea deal that details the nature of the cooperation?

  102. Tina says:

    I will mot go quietly in the night, but please keep my art work hidden,

    Tony podesta.

  103. Phil says:

    Robbie, no you won’t. Who are you kidding?

  104. jason says:

    If you think Flynn isn’t going to be indicted or cut a deal with Mueller, then what planet have you been living on?”

    Zzzzzzz…. cut a deal on what exactly?

    Flynn might be in trouble for things that have nothing to with the campaign too.

    I know, I know, hope springs eternal.

  105. Tina says:

    The loons know it, the sheot is going on to the podestas and hillary.

    That is why they are worried.

  106. Tina says:

    The loons love to protect hillary at all cost.

  107. Tina says:

    POdesta, i need to fight this as an individual.

    Fight what?

  108. Robbie says:

    Watching supposed committed conservative go to battle stations to defend life long liberal Donald Trump is not something I ever would have expected.

  109. Tina says:

    It is not my fault that preet, as cnn analyst, failed to do his homework. He should have stated that he didmnot know, has to read the plea, etc., assuming that he wntt to air before the plea.

  110. CG says:

    Sending anyone to Russia seems kinda collusion-y.

    If this is all a big “nothing burger”, why are you people so on the defensive? Just laugh it off or something.

  111. Tina says:

    Watching liberals flail.

    Muh russian somewhere.

    Maybe, the gubment used invisible ink tomshow collusion.

  112. Tina says:

    It is clear that papa was a loon,

  113. CG says:

    “briefly” campaign manager.

    The years past in the indictment include 2016 and 2017. If he did something wrong, he should pay the price, whenever it was. It just seems like it is possible he might be out to cut his own deal.

  114. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:54 pm
    Robbie, no you won’t. Who are you kidding?

    – How many times did I write in December, January, and February that I was totally wrong about the election? A lot. I remember writing many times I was wrong here.

    I get it though. Trump’s where you are on immigration and a few other issues like Paris so he’s good with you.

  115. Tina says:

    There is muh russian somewhere.

    I know it when i see it

  116. CG says:

    Trump has a “cult.”
    Democrats have a “cult.”

    It’s remarkable how similar they all act.

  117. Tina says:

    poor pareet, fired and now has egg on his face as an analyst for muh russian cnn

  118. Tina says:

    hweikart Retweeted
    Richard Baris
    Richard Baris
    @Peoples_Pundit
    ·
    3h
    These Manafort indictments include FARA violations. Since The Podesta Group registered under FARA retroactively in April, re: work done with Manafort, I’d be crapping my pants if I was Tony Podesta right now.

    So true.

  119. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 30, 2017 at 1:55 pm
    If you think Flynn isn’t going to be indicted or cut a deal with Mueller, then what planet have you been living on?”
    Zzzzzzz…. cut a deal on what exactly?
    Flynn might be in trouble for things that have nothing to with the campaign too.
    I know, I know, hope springs eternal.

    – I never said Flynn was going to be indicted for things he did on the campaign. I said he was almost certainly going to be indicted though based on the myriad of stories that have appeared about his dealings with Turkey and the reasons he was fired as NSA after just three weeks on the job.

  120. CG says:

    “So, someone got shot on Fifth Avenue by Donald Trump. People get shot in Barack Obama’s Chicago ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!”

  121. Tina says:

    Hilary met with podestas over the weekend.

  122. Tina says:

    Flailing badly,

  123. Bitterlaw says:

    Mr. Drummond raised Arnold and Willis. His own daughter was Kimberly. The housekeeper was Mrs. Garrett. Sadly, she eventually left to work at an all-girls school.

    Webster was a weak imitation of Arnold.

  124. janz says:

    Podesta wnd his bro are the ones who merit honest investigation and probably indictments. However, at this morning’s presser, the turkey vulgers (MSM) are only interesting in opining about the relevance of the Mueller indictment.

  125. CG says:

    I didn’t know Sarah Sanders was also employed as a spokeswoman for the Podestas.

  126. CG says:

    If so, I hope she has disclosed it on the official paperwork.

  127. jason says:

    Watching supposed committed conservative go to battle stations to defend life long liberal Donald Trump is not something I ever would have expected.”

    Yep, its called doing what is right.

    I never have denied Trump is not a Republican or a conservative, never.

    But he won the election in legitimate manner. Since then he has been subject to the most relentless, dishonest, and sordid campaign by MSM to reverse the results of the election.

    This is the real scandal and you are the useful idiot who supports them.

  128. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 30, 2017 at 2:08 pm
    Watching supposed committed conservative go to battle stations to defend life long liberal Donald Trump is not something I ever would have expected.”
    Yep, its called doing what is right.
    I never have denied Trump is not a Republican or a conservative, never.
    But he won the election in legitimate manner. Since then he has been subject to the most relentless, dishonest, and sordid campaign by MSM to reverse the results of the election.
    This is the real scandal and you are the useful idiot who supports them.

    – Based on this line of thinking, I assume you spent the last eight years defending Obama as well, right?

    I mean Sean Hannity and a guy who just won the presidency spent months and months claiming Obama wasn’t even born in American and was therefore not legal to even be president.

    Since birtherism proved to be a lie, that qualified as a relentless, dishonest, and a sordid campaign to reverse the results of an election, right?

  129. Bitterlaw says:

    Pete Wilson, Paul, and Robbie all on the same thread at the same time. Did I log onto a Daily Kos chat room?

    No. You still need Wes to bash George W. Bush for the chat room to open up.

  130. CG says:

    The appearances and massive aka “huge” ovation offered last night in Houston for former Presidents George H.W. and George W. Bush was quite heartening.

    It’s good to know that decent humans and patriotic Americans were once President of the United States.

    Along those lines, Jeff Flake is denying he has any intention to run as an Independent. He is saying this:

    “I am a conservative and a Republican. This fever will someday break and we can rebuild our party once more”

    I only hope he is right.

  131. CG says:

    I don’t know what you all have against Mike Pence being President anyway. I mean he’s not a favorite of mine by any means, but at least he isn’t Hillary, right? It’s not like they are going to come and rip Gorsuch off the Bench.

  132. Tina says:

    Flailing badly.

  133. Tina says:

    PEr ap, benghazi terroirst caught and is in custody.

    So, it was not you tube?

  134. Tina says:

    JEbot press is melting down

  135. Chicon says:

    132 – excellent post. Well, and correctly imo, said.

    133 – completely non-responsive to 132.

  136. CG says:

    Whatever one thinks of the media, thankfully Robert Mueller is not a part of it. His reputation for fairness and integrity is pretty significant. He should continue doing his job wherever it may lead him.

  137. NYCmike says:

    Sean Hannity
    Judge Napolitano
    Tammy Bruce
    Mr. Drummond
    Webster

  138. CG says:

    The new cast of VH1’s “Surreal Life?”

  139. CG says:

    It would need Scott Baio of course. Nobody else would be willing to room with Hannity.

  140. Tina says:

    Podesta is being investigated for meeting the ukranian pm.

  141. CG says:

    What does Shapiro think of the Papadapolous developments?

    That does seem to be the most ominous thing today for Trump amid all the news.

  142. NYCmike says:

    “ominous”

    soon im u

    I hope I can handle the thin air up there!

  143. BayernFan says:

    Apparently Papas learned nothing from Martha Stewart…. many people just don’t know…..

    that you should NEVER…under ANY circumstances…talk to the police or criminal investigators. EVER.

    There is a reason for the 5th amendment.

    He should have watched this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik&t=679s

  144. Tina says:

    Byron York
    Byron York
    @ByronYork
    Former prosecutor @AndrewCMcCarthy calls parts of Manafort indictment ‘shaky and overcharged.’

    11 paperwork matters, 1substantive matter

  145. Tina says:

    Papa shopped for a book deal. With his admission of guilt for lying, he is not a useful witness to anything.

  146. Tina says:

    Betsy Woodruff:
    “Lobbyists tell me they believe the two anonymous companies in the indictment are the Podesta Group and Mercury LLC”

    https://mobile.twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/925061809320742912

    Thank you betsy, so insightful.

  147. CG says:

    Let’s just look at this logically regarding Manafort.

    Some may claim that the charges against him are flimsy and he can beat them despite the something like the 93% success rate of the U.S. Government on things like this.

    But let’s just assume the “non-collusion” charges against him are solid and it’s enough to put him away for a long time just on this money laundering, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice stuff alone…

    Doesn’t it make sense to now see if you can get him to cooperate on the collusion angle in order to build a stronger case against more people or higher ranked people? If he “sings”, we would find out in future indictments of other people.

    I’ve never been a lawyer or an investigator but it just seems to be common sense to not assume that whatever the DOJ released today is going to be the end of the story.

  148. CG says:

    Where is the source on the “book deal?”

    Thank you kindly.

  149. CG says:

    Would a recording made via wire not be useful even if there is something unsavory about the wearer of said wire?

    I think mob defense attorneys for decades have failed trying to make that case.

  150. CG says:

    “don’t talk to the cops” aka “no snitching.”

    Sounds like the mantra of the gangbangers.

  151. Tina says:

    Flailing badly.

    Plea agreement says no collusion.

  152. BayernFan says:

    157… no… it is there to protect innocent folks as well. If he hadn’t talked to investigators….. he wouldn’t have been indicted for “lying”. Watch the video and learn something.

  153. Tina says:

    Lets look and see there is collusion there.

    Jebot

  154. Tina says:

    Yeah, it is clear that the low level fruit should have used his rights better.

    Dates could be confusing. He was not off by much, feb vs march or april. Nothing earth shattering there that he did.

  155. NYCmike says:

    “I’ve never been a lawyer or an investigator but it just seems to be common sense to not assume that whatever the DOJ released today is going to be the end of the story.”

    -Since Manafort was employed by the Podesta Group, and that organization had someone step down today, I think it makes sense that there will be news regarding people associated with the Podesta Group and actions they took.

  156. Tina says:

    Seems like a big swing and miss by mueller wi5 low fruit and italian suit manafort.

  157. Chicon says:

    147 – agreed, potentially. Manafort indictment seems to have very little to do with the campaign. Pappa could, depending on how the campaign responded to his suggestions to meet with Russia.

  158. NYCmike says:

    ” Watch the video and learn something.”

    -Now why would “CG” want to do that!!?

  159. Tina says:

    I have bo problem with him plea, it actualky proves that no collusion exists.

    Manaforts issues are greater and have to do with stuff largely before he was manager for 3months.

  160. Chicon says:

    162 – Trump Chump!!!!!

  161. Tina says:

    Pretty evident that the podestas are next.

    Jebots will defend the podestas, amd will defend as it is clear that it goes to the drats problem now.

  162. CG says:

    Papadapalous’s guilty plea involves collusion with Russia. There’s no other way to look at it.

    There are unnamed officials in the plea, which are believed to be Manafort and Gates, in which a discussion is held about sending a low level Trump staffer to Russia to hear the dirt they had on Hillary.

    But I guess all of us non-lawyers, or non white- collar criminal lawyers should just expect the process to play out by Mueller and his people and see where it leads, Podestas and all.

  163. Tina says:

    Flailing.

  164. CG says:

    There just seems to be a ton of “racist white cops planted the bloody glove at OJ’s place” present from the Trump battalion.

    It doesn’t matter what anybody might have actually done or not done, it’s only about how unfair the media is.

  165. CG says:

    First sentence of the McCarthy piece… “except as a vehicle to squeeze Manafort.”

    Well, it seems like it might be quite a squeeze. But maybe a guy like that is looking forward to years and years of prison. You never know…

  166. Tina says:

    The offense of failing to register as a foreign agent (Count Ten) may be a slam-dunk, but it is a violation that the Justice Department rarely prosecutes criminally. There is often ambiguity about whether the person’s actions trigger the registration requirement, so the Justice Department’s practice is to encourage people to register, not indict them for failing to do so.

  167. Tina says:

    Finally, the money-laundering conspiracy allegation (Count Two) seems far from slam-dunk. For someone to be guilty of laundering, the money involved has to be the proceeds of criminal activity before the accused starts concealing it by (a) moving it through accounts or changing its form by buying assets, etc., or (b) dodging a reporting requirement under federal law.

  168. Phil says:

    Planted the bloody glove………..wait, what?

  169. Tina says:

    Hmm, interesting points by mccarthy. The laundering charge, imthought was most significant, he claims otherwise.

  170. CG says:

    I’m sure Mr. Manafort will feel quite buoyed by Mr. McCarthy’s assessment of his legal fortunes while he remains on house arrest until his next court date.

  171. Tina says:

    Collusion and bloody glove.

    Flailing

  172. Tina says:

    Great piece by mccarthy seems the case is weak. I have said fara is weak, so if podesta is nailed, it is still weak.

  173. CG says:

    Whatever ultimately winds up happening to Manafort (spoiler alert: he spends some time in prison) seems like a diversion from the Papadapolous story and the fact that he is cooperating.

    The “he tried to get a book deal” might not matter so much to a jury one day. Bad guys snitch on worst bad guys all the time.

  174. NYCmike says:

    “It doesn’t matter what anybody might have actually done or not done, it’s only about how unfair the media is.”

    -Looking at this from a historical perspective, isn’t it always the case when the government wants to get a person on some charge, they usually can?

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2005/10/17/157477/-

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees

  175. NYCmike says:

    And YES, it is a Daily Kos piece, which I would not usually go to, but since “CG” seems to doubt how much the constant drumbeat of the “FREE PRESS” can affect what happens to people in certain administrations…..

  176. Chicon says:

    181 – what does this cooperation entail? I mean, that we know, not what we surmise.

  177. Tina says:

    So,mtrying to get campaign dirt is colluding.

    Actually getting dirt, is campaign operations

  178. CG says:

    If you are alleging the U.S. government is corrupt and will purposely target and succeed in convicting innocent individuals for political reasons…

    I don’t happen to think that.

    184. I think all we can do now is surmise what it might mean.

  179. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    There’s a homeless man who sh*ts on the street in the city I work.

    He offers more useful legal advice than Tina does. He lets his sh*t out his backside, not through the mouth.

    Thanks for the copy pasta from uneducated, far-right bloggers Tina.

  180. CG says:

    Such an unfair insult to Pete Wilson.. just saying.

  181. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    After an eight month investigation, these indictments are all they have to show for it? We are hearing more about the Ukraine than Russia in the Manafort indictment.

    This is beginning to resemble the Lawrence Walsh investigation:

    “Walsh was investigating the Iran Contra scandal and he had spent six years with little to show for it. After this period, he was seeking to indict former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Walsh initially indicted Weinberger in June of 1992, but the indictment was thrown out on technical grounds. (I base the following description on a book by Lanny Davis, a political associate of Bill Clinton.)

    Walsh decided to indict Weinberger again. He then made two extremely dubious decisions. First, and most problematically, he had the re-indictment of Caspar Weinberger filed on October 30, the Friday before election day. What possible legitimate reason could there have been to file it then rather than the following week? What reason other than the illegitimate one to harm Bush’s candidacy could there have been for filing the indictment on that day?

    Second, Walsh included in the indictment the words “VP favored” from Weinberger’s notes of an important meaning. This suggested to some and was played up by the liberal media that Bush was at a meeting he had denied attending. Thus, it could be used to support the claim that Bush was actually more involved in Iran Contra than he claimed and that he had lied about his involvement. Significantly, this was not necessarily the case nor was it necessary to include it the indictment.

    The Weinberger indictment created an enormous media response and may very well have swung the election. On the Friday before the election, prior to the release of the re-indictment, the Bush internal tracking poll (as well as the Gallop poll of the previous day) indicated a surging Bush was tied with Clinton at 39 percent, with 12 percent supporting Perot, and an unusually large 10 percent still undecided. The re-indictment ended Bush’s surge and reversed the momentum. The Saturday Bush internal tracking poll indicted 39 percent for Clinton, 32 for Bush, and 19 percent for Perot.

    I believe that Walsh’s decision to release the indictment of Weinberger on the Friday before the election was probably an impeachable offense. And in any event should be condemned by all people, including Clinton supporters, as an outrageous abuse of authority.”

  182. Chicon says:

    186 – the plea deal itself says Pappa’s efforts to get the campaign to meet with the Russians was rebuffed.

  183. Tina says:

    From President Trump’s perspective, the indictment is a boon from which he can claim that the special counsel has no actionable collusion case. It appears to reaffirm former FBI director James Comey’s multiple assurances that Trump is not a suspect. And, to the extent it looks like an attempt to play prosecutorial hardball with Manafort, the president can continue to portray himself as the victim of a witch hunt.

    A. Mccarthy

  184. CG says:

    Lawrence Walsh’s indictment of Weinburger was beyond dubious and President Bush was correct to issue a pardon. Let’s see if Trump pardons Manafort. Should he?

    Otherwise, I do not see the analogy. That was the end of an investigation. This is the beginning. Pro-Trump crowds want to celebrate because this particular indictment is not as “bad” as it could be?

    Again, it all depends on what they are trying to squeeze out of Manafort right now and what if anything he has to give up and if he would be willing to do so.

    Also, the Papadapolous narrative, out of all the paperwork out today, is far more significant for people other than Manafort and Gates themselves.

  185. CG says:

    The plea says the efforts to get Trump himself to go were rebuffed but a counter offer was gone to have a staffer go in his stead in order to “not send a signal.”

  186. Chicon says:

    Sarah Sanders seemed to suggest the Mueller investigation is winding down. Not sure what they’re basing that on, but I’d be shocked.

  187. CG says:

    Yeah, how would she know? Wishful thinking.

  188. Tina says:

    His attorney has said the same.

    I do notmthink mueller can go any further, u 1; he was fbi director and rosenstein was involved.

    So, who knows

  189. Tina says:

    Prety clear that pap was rebuffed, it is in the plea

  190. CG says:

    So, this is all a smear against “Pap?”

    Well, he got arrested in July and then probably was wired for sound. Whomever spoke to him I am sure has nothing to hide.

  191. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    154. “Doesn’t it make sense to now see if you can get him to cooperate on the collusion angle in order to build a stronger case against more people or higher ranked people? If he “sings”, we would find out in future indictments of other people.”

    Since your into speculation without facts, please let us know when you speculate the Martians are going to land?

    This has been an eight month investigation, shouldn’t there be more by this time? You could also speculate that Mueller did the indictments because he had to justify all the time and money expended in the investigation.

    How many years is this investigation going to last?

  192. NYCmike says:

    “If you are alleging the U.S. government is corrupt and will purposely target and succeed in convicting innocent individuals for political reasons…”

    -No, I am not alleging that at all.

    I am saying that when the press wants to follow a story day in-day out, as they usually do when a Republican is in office, compared to when a Democrat is in office, the numbers of people breaking one of the thousands of laws in the Federal government increase with each broadcast and/or piece written.

    As Iowahawk says about Democrat scandals, “The free press covers a story…..with a pillow, until it stops moving.”

  193. CG says:

    Mueller has not been in office for eight months. Seems like he might be moving fast.

    Time will tell.

    The investigation could drag out for years. The Whitewater investigation certainly did, and for good reason.

  194. CG says:

    201. Even if so (no sense in trying to argue that one out), it doesn’t mean anyone should get a free pass anymore than O.J. should not have gotten a pass from a jury or from a community because of past misdeeds against others.

  195. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    192. “Again, it all depends on what they are trying to squeeze out of Manafort right now and what if anything he has to give up and if he would be willing to do so.”

    So your speculation is that Mueller is trying to throw Manafort in jail so he will “spill the beans” on Trump. How long will that take? Years? And what happens if Trump pardons him prior to then?

  196. NYCmike says:

    “201. Even if so (no sense in trying to argue that one out),”

    -“CG”

    I posted those links, and gave my opinion because you pooh-poohed the affect of the press on federal investigations.

  197. Tina says:

    The sealed indictment a does not refer to papa matter, different sequencing.

    Sealed indictment a still exists.

  198. CG says:

    Depends how badly Manafort want to cut a deal. It might be about other people to.

    If Trump pardons him, we have a pretty crazy political firestorm to say the least. A pardon is basically an admission of guilt. So, should he pardon Manafort in order to protect himself?

  199. CG says:

    The White House narrative today has been that Manafort was a bad guy when Trump met him and was a bad guy when he left the campaign and his being a bad guy has nothing to do with any of them.

    So, it would look kinda funny to suddenly pardon a “bad guy” who has nothing to do with them.

  200. Tina says:

    Indictment a has not to do with papa.

  201. Phil says:

    Protect himself from what?

    No evidence whatsoever that Trump did a damned thing. This is just nuts.

  202. CG says:

    Then he has nothing to hide and certainly no reason to pardon Manafort.

  203. Phil says:

    Pardon him? Man, you are waaaay ahead of yourself.

  204. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Well, he got arrested in July and then probably was wired for sound. Whomever spoke to him I am sure has nothing to hide.”

    Do you have any evidence any of this took place?

    You should write a novel; there are a lot of ant-Trump people who am sure would love to read it. They are a bit glum today. There was speculation all weekend by them that people in Trump’s inner circle would be indicted.

  205. CG says:

    San Diego was the one who brought up “what if Trump pardons him.”

    Maybe your post was addressed to him. If so, my bad.

  206. Tina says:

    The jebot is flailing.

    The millenial had read too many graphic novels.

  207. Tina says:

    The unsealed indictment a has nothing to do with papa,

    Case numbers are different.

  208. CG says:

    Yes, there is “evidence” that Papadapolous was arrested in July. It’s also a fact he is being described as cooperating proactively or something along those lines.

    I do not know for a fact he was wired after that point, but legal experts are seeming to suggest it. They could be wrong.

    Who will play him in the movie?

  209. Tina says:

    Steve Lookner ? @lookner
    It is patently clear that most people at CNN have not read the Papadopolous indictment or made any intelligent effort to understand it https://twitter.com/lookner/status/925048985781448704
    10:19 AM – Oct 30, 2017

    Just a minor important detail.

  210. NYCmike says:

    “CG” is claiming Trump will pardon him simply because someone on HHR mentioned it.

  211. Phil says:

    The movie is already playing. It’s playing everyday in thei minds of the left. They’ve lost it.

  212. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    207. “So, should he pardon Manafort in order to protect himself?”

    He doesn’t need to. There is no evidence that Trump did anything wrong. You are speculating wildly, and I wanted to follow your speculation and show how off the wall it is.

  213. CG says:

    It’s not a surprise at all that Manafort was indicted. His home was raided after all. He certainly qualifies as having been in Trump’s “inner circle.” It will also not be a surprise if and when another former “inner circle” member, General Flynn gets indicted.

    Most people believed that whomever got indicted today would be someone at a much lower level that almost nobody would have heard of.

  214. Tina says:

    ner ? @lookner
    CNN also speculated on what nefarious motive Papadopoulos had, completely ignoring indictment’s suggestion he was trying to be bigger player
    10:20 AM – Oct 30, 2017

    Yup, it is all in the plea. Not make believe. Low fruit that should have asked for a lawyah first.

  215. CG says:

    “House of Cards” has been cancelled.

    I’ve never seen it.

    The real life version is just as crazy.

  216. Tina says:

    ner ? @lookner
    CNN also speculated on what nefarious motive Papadopoulos had, completely ignoring indictment’s suggestion he was trying to be bigger player
    10:20 AM – Oct 30, 2017

  217. CG says:

    I’ll be somewhat surprised if Trump pardons Manafort. I think I had made that point.

  218. NYCmike says:

    “Most people believed that whomever got indicted today would be someone at a much lower level that almost nobody would have heard of.”

    -Who are these “Most people…” you speak of?

    Manafort has been a name mentioned over and over since his house was raided, if not before that.

  219. Tina says:

    Mueelers case against manafort is weak according to several legal minds. Not to mention, they may have obtained evidence illegally.

  220. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    CG
    Please edify us as to why Papa’s suggestion for The Donald to visit Russia is “collusiony”(your word) when it could have been nothing more than a way to burnish Trump’s foreign policy chops?
    Didn’t Obama go to Germany in 2008 to enhance his resume? Did he and Germany collude against McCain?

  221. CG says:

    Nobody in the Trump campaign would have remotely been so stupid as to send him, the candidate himself, to Russia during the campaign.

  222. Tina says:

    John powell to replace obamabot as fed head.

  223. CG says:

    If Manafort establishes a legal defense fund, he apparently has some potential donors here.

  224. Tina says:

    What about 5e meetings with ukranian officials?

  225. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    48m
    Replying to @Sweetemmilyn and @rejialex7
    He lied about dates and timelines. He’s an idiot. Had he told the truth he would have been f

    Papa

  226. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    223. “Most people believed that whomever got indicted today would be someone at a much lower level that almost nobody would have heard of.”

    False. The Manafort indictment was expected.

  227. CG says:

    If Germany had illegally obtained information, such as emails, sent by John McCain, and Obama or anyone on his team went there to discuss that, it would have been collusion.

    As it was, I thought it was terrible at the time that Obama went to a foreign country to have a campaign rally in which he ostensibly attacked the leadership of his country and that was certainly used against Obama in the campaign to some good effect at the time when he was belittled as a “celebrity candidate” and compared to Paris Hilton, etc.

  228. Tina says:

    JUST IN: Manafort attorney says no evidence that Manafort colluded with Russian government.
    by Andrew.seaman 12:17 PM

    JUST IN: Federal prosecutor says Mueller’s team had ‘difficult time’ determining the value of Manafort’s and Gates’ assets

    Lol, he has suits and podesta has ugly art.

  229. CG says:

    Yes, but not today.

  230. Tina says:

    Pinnochio jebot keeps lying.

    Flailing and lying, lying and flailing.

  231. DW says:

    The polling out today on NJ and VA governor’s races would have us believe the GOP has a closer race in NJ than in VA.

  232. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    223. “He certainly qualifies as having been in Trump’s “inner circle”

    False. Manafort only worked for Trump for several months. He was fired by Trump. The manner in which Kushner did it is notoriously know, and Manafort bitterly resented it.

  233. Tina says:

    He added there was nothing wrong with campaign aide George Papadopoulos making contact with Russians who claimed to have “dirt” on Trump rival Hillary Clinton.

    “The actual plea that he entered into was … a false statement about timing as to when he talked to somebody about Russian activities,” he said. “By the way, these weren’t activities that were illegal. … There’s nothing in there that says that conversation was illegal or inappropriate.”

    Sekolow on papa. Notice in the plea, no charge of and admission of collusion.

  234. CG says:

    Here is what I wrote about the New Jersey race, in case anybody gives a damn, which I doubt.

    http://cgpolitics.blogspot.com/2017/10/new-jersey-governor-election.html

    I’ll do Virginia over the weekend or on Monday.

  235. CG says:

    He was only in charge of the campaign for several months, that’s all. Barely knew the guy!

    If Manafort is somehow bitter against Trump or his family, that’s probably not a good thing for them.

  236. Tina says:

    JUST IN: White House says has been given ‘indications’ special counsel investigation will be concluded soon.

    THhis is also stated by trumps attorney.

    Now, this part could be ending, the muh russian hoax part only because of the conflict mueller has with u1.

    Since that preceeded, muh russian, the ag can handle that oart, or another sp.

  237. Tina says:

    Oh please nobody cares about your sheotty blog.

  238. CG says:

    Yes, the investigation is soon ending and the wall is going up!

    The White House said so.

  239. hugh says:

    I hope that governors poll is way wrong. I have no doubt its way off, but 17 pts off?

  240. Tina says:

    YOu should market it somewhere else.

  241. CG says:

    NYC has asked me to post here more. Today I am. I have no idea about after that. So, take it up with him.

  242. Tina says:

    You should not market your blog here. You can post your dribble here all you want.

    Two diff things.

  243. Tina says:

    Mueller fors not typically let his investigations carey on, he is known for speed. Usually about an 8-10 month portion.

    The muh russian collusion is weak, and he knows it.

  244. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    245. “If Manafort is somehow bitter against Trump or his family, that’s probably not a good thing for them.”

    Do you any reason to say this other than speculation?

  245. Wes says:

    If Northam has a 17-point lead, then why’s he going negstive on Ed?

    I’m guessing the race is much closer thsn QU wants to admit.

  246. Wes says:

    I stand by my prediction Ed wins 50-47. Northam should have campaigned hard against the guy who nearly knocked off Warner.

  247. CG says:

    In other news, Chicago Bears TE Zach Miller had a horrible injury yesterday that has surely ended his career, but the good news is that the results of emergency surgery seem to indicate that he will not lose his leg.

    Truly a horrible story, and adding to it was that he made a Touchdown catch on the play, only to have the replay officials inexplicably reverse it.

  248. CG says:

    He couldn’t get Trump to wear a fur hat either. Vindication!

  249. Tina says:

    Ingraham on ‘Nothing-Burger’ Manafort: ‘If They Had Something on Trump, That Would Be the Indictment Today’

  250. CG says:

    Carter Page, a top Trump advisor went to Russia though. I am sure he is cooperating fully with the investigation too.

  251. CG says:

    How is Laura Ingraham going to get anyone to take her seriously as a tv host when she says dumb things like that?

  252. Paul says:

    I liked “House of Cards” for a few seasons. But they were just dragging the thing out to squeeze some more money out of it during the last couple years.

    Kevin’s deplorableness has put the show out of it’s misery.

  253. CG says:

    Apparently a 14 year old Broadway actor thirty years ago by a fictional President is worse than a 21 year old White House intern during the Administration of an actual President.

  254. CG says:

    I’ve not seen the show, but why can’t they just get a new President, like 24 did?

  255. DW says:

    255 – exactly. Nothing about this race suggests a huge blowout either way. In the end it is a fairly evenly divided state with a slight blue tilt in presidential elections.

  256. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    228. “Mueelers case against manafort is weak according to several legal minds. Not to mention, they may have obtained evidence illegally.”

    Think they have an very strong case against Manafort. He is likely going to jail, and not coming out for a long, long time.

  257. Robbie says:

    Oh.

    Steve Reilly?
    @BySteveReilly

    U.S. District Court for D.C. has four sealed cases in its docket with case numbers between Papadopoulos’ (182) and Manafort’s (201).

  258. mnw says:

    RE: Q

    I don’t thing it could be THAT wrong.

  259. CG says:

    Hillary, both Podestas, Corker

  260. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Manafort took millions of dollars from a political faction in the Ukraine, sequestered it in overseas bank accounts, and secretly brought it into the U.S. without paying taxes. It was massive tax fraud.

    He complicated matters by getting involved in a political campaign, and not revealing his foreign assets or past lobbying. His flagrant stupidity boggles the mind. You don’t get prominently involved in politics while engaging in this sort of illicit financial activity.

    Although do not believe at this point that Trump was in collusion with the Russians, have to say he makes lousy choices in those he associates with. There was a need for a John Kelly type as his chief of staff.

  261. CG says:

    Manafort deserves a break because Keith Olbermann made fun of Melania’s shoes.

  262. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    October 30, 2017 at 4:24 pm
    245. “If Manafort is somehow bitter against Trump or his family, that’s probably not a good thing for them.”
    Do you any reason to say this other than speculation?

    – No indication he is mad, but he was unceremoniously fired by press release.

  263. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    October 30, 2017 at 4:48 pm
    Hillary, both Podestas, Corker

    – Hillary’s going to GITMO. I read it on alt-right Twitter. Has to be true.

  264. CG says:

    Only after her stint at the Betty Ford Center.

  265. CG says:

    Here is a piece surmising it is a reasonable assumption based on the language that Papadapolous was wearing a wire

    https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/30/george-papadopoulos-wear-wire-mueller/

  266. Robbie says:

    Tonight’s first topic on Laura Ingraham’s debut FoxNews show: What about Benghazi?

  267. CG says:

    I am wondering what the odds are that Papadapolous’s family owns a restaurant in the NW suburbs of Chicago that I have eaten at.

  268. NYCmike says:

    “She has to wonder just how different things might be, had Hillary Clinton won the Presidency last year, or if Chris Christie had not fallen into such disfavor.”

    -Thankfully, the rest of us never gave it one thought!

  269. CG says:

    Because the Governorship of NJ is irrelevant to you….

    Guadagno deserved better.

  270. CG says:

    Based on his photo, I am starting to really think that Papadapolous has been my waiter before at his family’s restaurant. Can’t say for certain though.

  271. NYCmike says:

    “Because the Governorship of NJ is irrelevant to you….”

    -Compared to the Presidency…..YES.

    If NJ residents vote for Murphy, as polls say they will, our business taxes will probably go up.

    Hillary NOT being President, and Trump taking the actions he has so far, definitely makes the NJ election irrelevant. Accounting practices are very “flexible” in some ways…… 🙂

  272. NYCmike says:

    “Guadagno deserved better.”

    -I have no idea if that is true or not.

  273. CG says:

    Can you even name, without looking it up, the last Republican candidate for Governor of your state?

  274. NYCmike says:

    All that said, I don’t know anyone voting for Murphy….that includes at least 10 Democrats who voted for Corzine 8 years ago.

    They don’t necessarily like Christie, or Guadagno, but they all think they pay enough/too much in taxes already.

  275. NYCmike says:

    We had the crazy guy from upstate, and then I believe the guy from Westchester.

  276. CG says:

    Those aren’t names.

    (yes, I know the names without looking them up. But I am weird and I don’t even live there)

  277. NYCmike says:

    “Those aren’t names.”

    -2 for 2.

    Paladino and Astorino.

    Sue me for not being totally sure the names of the 2 guys who got 33% and 40%.

  278. CG says:

    No lawsuit. (you looked it up) It just makes you more typical in your political knowledge than you want to admit.

  279. NYCmike says:

    I am trying to remember the name of the guy who spent the most money but got near the fewest delegates in the Republican primary……I can’t seem to recall what his name was……can you help me.

  280. CG says:

    John Connally

  281. NYCmike says:

    “No lawsuit. (you looked it up) It just makes you more typical in your political knowledge than you want to admit.”

    -Paladino, Yes. Astorino, No.

    I have always admitted my political knowledge is much less than most on this board.

    I have often used that as a reason for you know-it-alls to listen more closely to a person who knows better what the less-informed people think. I have no problem admitting that.

  282. Cash Cow TM says:

    PAPADOPOULOS

    so, applaud poo
    loud O’Papa soap
    Do u slap a poop?
    pop a loud soap
    Paul poop soda

  283. CG says:

    That’s all well and good but you lecture people as if you know more about this stuff than they do regardless of what the facts are.

  284. NYCmike says:

    That said, the fact that you, and Robbie, believe that Congress can’t pass legislation thru Congress WITHOUT the President having a hand in it shows how convoluted and wrong your thinking is.

  285. CG says:

    See, example #1 right there.

    Yes, in a fairly closely divided and extremely polarized Congress, if you have to fight or overcome a President of your own party, it makes the task extremely hard.

  286. NYCmike says:

    “That’s all well and good but you lecture people as if you know more about this stuff than they do regardless of what the facts are.”

    -Lecture people?

    I usually agree with someone else much smarter than I do. And then provide the link to HHR.

  287. Robbie says:

    Really glad the RNC worked hand in glove with Paul Manafort to shut down a delegate rebellion at the RNC last Summer. While he was never going to be one of my favorites, we could have ended up with Ted Cruz as the nominee. I certainly would have voted for him.

  288. NYCmike says:

    “Yes, in a fairly closely divided and extremely polarized Congress, if you have to fight or overcome a President of your own party, it makes the task extremely hard.”

    -They had already passed repeal Obamacare legislation thru Congress when Obama was President.

    All they had to do was pass that same legislation, and Trump would have signed it.

    WHY didn’t they? /**sarcasm alert**

  289. NYCmike says:

    “All they had to do was pass that same legislation, and Trump would have signed it.”

    -Trump was sitting and waiting…..Congress didn’t give him the same bill as they gave Obama…..I wonder why……

  290. Tina says:

    There is muh russian in every bush.

  291. CG says:

    Whatever Manafort’s legacy might turn out to be, he basically is the person responsible for picking Mike Pence. That turned out to help Trump win. He probably would not have won otherwise.

    Trump wanted Christie and the kids wanted Gingrich. Manafort basically cancelled a plane trip for Christie and pushed Pence in himself before Trump could stop him.

  292. CG says:

    If Ted Cruz were President, I assume we would be fighting about how he was trying to keep the JFK files hidden away to protect his dad.

  293. CG says:

    The House passed the repeal Obamacare stuff, just like it ultimately voted this year. There were never 60 votes in the Senate for it then or now.

  294. NYCmike says:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/08/obama-vetoes-gop-attempt-repeal-obamacare/78506800/

    “But Ryan said the bill proved that Obamacare can be repealed, given a Republican in the White House.”

  295. Tina says:

    Statement by President Donald J. Trump on the Apprehension of Mustafa al-Imam for His Alleged Role in the 9/11/12 Attacks in Benghazi…
    12:51 PM – Oct 30, 2017

    Aka you tube.

  296. NYCmike says:

    “The Senate passed the legislation last month, but neither chamber has enough votes to override a veto. It takes two-thirds of the House and Senate to override a veto, and Democrats have enough votes to block the legislation.”

  297. CG says:

    And they never voted on a replacement plan back then. It was more a symbolic vote than anything. Perhaps they were wrong to do that in retrospect, but it should have been easier to pass a replace bill to go along with repeal, but the Freedom Caucus, etc, were the ones that prevented that, and then you had Trump calling the bill “mean”, etc.

    Any other Republican President (minus Cruz) would have gotten it done, probably with at least a dozen Dem votes in the House and 2-3 in the Senate.

  298. NYCmike says:

    “The House passed the repeal Obamacare stuff, just like it ultimately voted this year. There were never 60 votes in the Senate for it then or now.”

    -There are links in that story……follow them to see that the Senate DID PASS THE BILL.

  299. NYCmike says:

    “Congressional Republicans said it was important for them to finally get the legislation to Obama’s desk after five years of trying to repeal the Affordable Care Act, better known as Obamacare. GOP leaders used a procedure known as budget reconciliation to ensure that the Senate could pass the bill with a simple majority rather than the 60 votes typically needed to approve major legislation.”

  300. CG says:

    In January of 2016, Paul Ryan did not anticipate that the next President would be Donald Trump, i.e. not really a Republican.

  301. Tina says:

    Richard Baris @Peoples_Pundit
    Being told these indictments were rushed, which anti-Mueller forces say were b/c he wanted to change the narrative. Maybe that’s true. Maybe it’s not. But there are incorrect remarks in the indictment, almost as if someone wrote it up too quick. Tymoshenko was not Pres, for one.
    1:10 PM – Oct 30, 2017

  302. CG says:

    Yeah, they couldn’t get it done via reconciliation then or not.

    But to think, if not for the 5-6 Senate races the Deadenders blew and gave to the Democrats over the past couple cycles, it would have been much easier.

    So, as long as you supported those Senate candidates in the primaries, you don’t really have much room to talk.

  303. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    You, along with Robbie, have said you need a President to help pass legislation in the Congress.

    You even offered to set up a GoFundMe page to learn Civics 101 for saying that I disagree with you, that there is ZERO NEED for the President to be included on any legislation, if Congress doesn’t want him there.

    That bill that was passed by both Houses, and Paul Ryan himself pointed out that we need a Republican President to sign it into law, proves me correct, and you and Robbie WRONG.

    As well as shows you for the Obamacare-supporting “conservatives” that you are.

  304. NYCmike says:

    “Yeah, they couldn’t get it done via reconciliation then or not.”

    -It passed the Senate in 2016…Republican President Trump would have signed that bill, IF Congress had sent it to him.

  305. CG says:

    and obviously the health care bill is not too important to Trump because he sure wanted to defeat Senators like Flake and Corker who voted for the bills who would have faced primary challenges from Republican candidates, who said they would have voted against the bills in Congress.

    Same with Roy Moore. So, Republicans will now be at one fewer vote.

  306. CG says:

    They didn’t have enough Republican votes, NYC. It’s that simple.

    You supported primary candidates who defeated the Republicans who would have voted that way, and now you and others have been on a political jihad to defeat Flake and Corker who voted the way you said you wanted them to, and to replace them with candidates who would have not voted the way you said you wanted them to.

    So, how does that make sense?

  307. NYCmike says:

    “GOP leaders used a procedure known as budget reconciliation to ensure that the Senate could pass the bill with a simple majority rather than the 60 votes typically needed to approve major legislation.””

    “Yeah, they couldn’t get it done via reconciliation then or not.”

    -“CG”,

    Stop ignoring the facts. They passed it via reconciliation in 2016, the same way they should have done it in 2017…..but they didn’t.

    Why didn’t they!??

  308. CG says:

    Ask all the Freeedom Caucus members who would have voted against final passage in the House as well as Rand Paul, etc.

    You want to ignore though all the states that currently have Democrat Senators, because you wanted to “send a message” that voted no. So, it’s hard to complain after the message has been sent.

    And maybe Trump shouldn’t have called the bill “mean”, right?

  309. NYCmike says:

    Who voted for it in 2016, and all of the other times?

    They just didn’t vote for repeal when it would actually be signed into law.

  310. CG says:

    they never voted for a replacement plan, which is a big difference.

    The votes they cast then, and maybe they should have just not had them, were saying we will repeal, if we can come together on a replacement.

    And they could not, because the party, under the leadership of DJT, is completely dysfunctional and incoherent.

  311. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    Pass the same bill, and send it to Trump. Easy as that.

    The next day, start working on a replacement. Cruz, Lee, Paul….they all had replacements ready to go!

  312. CG says:

    The “same bill” did not contain a replacement. Thus, it could not pass now. Political suicide for many. Maybe that is the idea from the Bannon crowd all along. Complete destruction.

  313. CG says:

    They still would have needed 60 votes in the Senate to “pass the same bill.”

    You are confusing 60, to stop a filibuster, with 67, aka two-thirds to override a veto.

  314. NYCmike says:

    “And they could not, because the party, under the leadership of DJT, is completely dysfunctional and incoherent.”

    -He is head of the Executive Branch. He is the Commander of the Armed Forces.

    Congress is in charge of legislation, the leadership there is at fault.

    I said this in October 2016, and I say it now.

    You wanted Hillary in October 2016, and now you make excuses for a do-nothing Congress.

  315. Tina says:

    Richard Baris
    Richard Baris
    @Peoples_Pundit
    ·
    1m
    Some of you guys have to lay off the MSLSD. 1st) George Papadopoulos lied to the FBI. That’s why he was indicted. 2nd) Indictment itself also says no one cared about what he had to say. 3rd) Collusion is NOT a crime, even IF it existed. We cannot just live in alternate realities.

    Paging the loons.

  316. CG says:

    No, I didn’t want Hillary, but there is no doubt that Trump has hurt the Republican Party and has seemed happy about doing so.

    Makes you wonder..

  317. Tina says:

    As i indicated earlier, papa nailed by trump admin.

    Rivhard Baris confirms

  318. NYCmike says:

    “You are confusing 60, to stop a filibuster, with 67, aka two-thirds to override a veto.”

    -No, I am not.

    I wanted, as well as many other voters, the same dang bill that Obama VETOED.

    It got to the President’s desk.

    Repeal the monster called Obamacare in February at the latest…..you would have had 8 months already to vote on the CRuz bill, or the Paul bill, or the Lee bill, or the Graham-Cassidy bill, etc.

    The only political suicide is Congress acting like the Bush family instead of like Scott Walker.

  319. Tina says:

    Richard Baris
    Richard Baris
    @Peoples_Pundit
    ·
    1h
    Replying to @EricRokke214 and 4 others
    Yup, he was charged because he lied about it. Not because it’s against the law, like failing to report 12M for the dossier to the FEC. Worth noting, the WH gave the special counsel the evidence against Papadopoulos. in the form of docs proving he lied.

  320. NYCmike says:

    “The only political suicide is Congress acting like the Bush family instead of like Scott Walker.”

    -Dinner and a movie with Ted Kennedy vs Democrats running away to Illinois.

  321. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 30, 2017 at 5:46 pm
    As i indicated earlier, papa nailed by trump admin.
    Rivhard Baris confirms

    – Seems legit, especially since he tweeted he’s not a lawyer.

  322. CG says:

    The bill that would have passed the Senate was not a bill that could have passed the House, because too many members of the Freedom Caucus (aka your buddies) would have voted against it.

    So, there you have the Mexican standoff, as you will.

    You are showing selective outrage and not taking your own sense of responsibility into account because the Senate you wanted did not have enough GOP votes.

    Now, the Senate you want even more (Roy Moore, Kelli Ward, and some others) would theoretically have even less votes to repeal and replace.

  323. Robbie says:

    Speaks volumes about NYCMike that he’ll readily criticize and attack the Bush family, but readily and continually defend Trump.

  324. Tina says:

    George Papadopoulos
    George Papadopoulos
    @feeonlyplanner
    For the nth time, I am NOT Trump’s foreign policy adviser! I have NO association with the Trump camp! NONE!
    7:46 AM · Oct 30, 2017

  325. CG says:

    The House would have voted down Graham-Cassidy, following Rand Paul’s lead, because the Freedom Caucus would have voted against it.

    The bill that the Freedom Caucus would have wanted would be one portrayed as even “meaner” than the one Trump said was too “mean”, so it could not have passed the Senate.

    All of this would be covered for you by a community college professor after class.

  326. CG says:

    What is the point of 337?

    There are probably 98,098 George Papadapolouses in Greece alone, and that Tweet is from one of them.

  327. Tina says:

    How many people has bush 41 touched?

  328. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 30, 2017 at 5:55 pm
    How many people has bush 41 touched?

    – How many microwaves did it take to ruin your brain?

  329. CG says:

    A thousand points of light.

  330. Tina says:

    @Peoples_Pundit
    ·
    9m
    Wow. This isn’t even close to true. 1) He was a low-level volunteer. 2) The indictment itself says T campaign repeatedly refused his efforts to put them in touch with Russia. 3) The White House gave the special counsel the documents that proved he lied to the FBI. Too much MSLSD.
    Anthony Kip Wood
    @MrAnthonyWood
    Replying to @Peoples_Pundit and 3 others
    He worked for trump and he was helping the trump campaign work with Russia. Clear now ?

  331. Tina says:

    4 women he molested?

  332. Robbie says:

    Looks like Tina has found her latest go-to source that reinforces her beliefs.

    Hopefully, he’s better than Larry Schweikert.

  333. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 30, 2017 at 6:00 pm
    4 women he molested?

    – How many women has Trump harassed. At last count, the number was at least 10.

  334. Tina says:

    it Hume
    @brithume
    ·
    3h
    Never Trumpers gonna hate this.
    Byron York
    @ByronYork
    Former prosecutor @AndrewCMcCarthy calls parts of Manafort indictment ‘shaky and overcharged.’ (link: http://ow.ly/oDRZ30gegWX) ow.ly/oDRZ30gegWX

    Poor, britt, the socialist son will not allow him on the cruise line.

  335. Tina says:

    They both oredicted that it was manafort and a low level fruit piece.

  336. Tina says:

    Paul Manafort’s attorney Kevin Downing says the charges against his client are related to his work to promote US relations with Ukraine, saying the work ended in 2014 and was not related to the 2016 US presidential election.

    Was he paid by camp obumbler.

  337. Robbie says:

    Andy McCarthy, who I do read, also said that Bill Ayers ghost wrote Obama’s autobiography.

    McCarthy may be right, but when you have a history that includes saying stupid things, you have to take a closer look at everything else is said.

  338. NYCmike says:

    “The bill that would have passed the Senate was not a bill that could have passed the House, because too many members of the Freedom Caucus (aka your buddies) would have voted against it.”

    -“CG”

    Are you saying that the same bill that Obama VETOED could NOT have passed Congress in 2017?

    What happened in the interim to make those 51 Senators and 218 representatives change their minds?

  339. NYCmike says:

    “McCarthy may be right, but”….he is said something that the media made fun of so I can’t accept it.

  340. NYCmike says:

    “CG” keeps bring up the bills this year…..when I am asking for the same bill from the Obama years.

    Why wasn’t that same bill, as Paul Ryan pointed out in 2016, passed by Congress in January/February 2017 and sent to President Trump’s desk?

  341. Tina says:

    Uranium 1

    Tick tock, tick tock….

  342. Tina says:

    353

    Muh russia in every bush.

  343. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 30, 2017 at 6:08 pm
    “McCarthy may be right, but”….he is said something that the media made fun of so I can’t accept it.

    – Yeah, “may be right” is synonymous with “I can’t accept it”.

    Nice try.

  344. Tina says:

    I cannot accept it because it is not from hillary.

    Jebot

  345. Tina says:

    John roberts, faux nees, confirm white house gave the documents on papa.

  346. Tina says:

    But, but he wore a wire, muh russian,

    Wire, muh russian.

  347. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not think that Manafort is being squeezed to turn on Trump or his advisors for one basic reason:

    In order to squeeze him, the prosecutor would have to believe that there is already evidence of criminal activity by Trump and/or advisors. In that case, why not just start with the indictment of Trump and/or advisors? It would remove the claim by Trump supporters that Manafort is just being squeezed here.

    At trial, the first defense question for Manafort would be, “Isn’t it true that you were charged with X,Y,Z but pleaded guilty to essentially nothing in exchange for lying about my client?”

  348. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    274. – “No indication he is mad, but he was unceremoniously fired by press release.”

    This is how Manafort got fired, and by all accounts he was none too happy:

    “Kushner pressed him and said it ‘would be helpful if you stepped down’.

    Manafort resisted and said: ‘Yes, but I can’t do that’.

    The book says: ‘At this Kushner’s demeanour hardened and he glanced at his watch. ‘We’re putting out a press release at 9am that says you’ve resigned. That’s in 30 seconds’.

  349. Trump says:


    Robbie says:
    October 30, 2017 at 5:24 pm

    Really glad the RNC worked hand in glove with Paul Manafort to shut down a delegate rebellion at the RNC last Summer. While he was never going to be one of my favorites, we could have ended up with Ted Cruz as the nominee. I certainly would have voted for him.”

    Nobody cares, as@wipe.

  350. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    362. “In order to squeeze him, the prosecutor would have to believe that there is already evidence of criminal activity by Trump and/or advisors. In that case, why not just start with the indictment of Trump and/or advisors?”

    Bitter I am appalled, how dare you bring up cold, hard facts when the board is engaged in joyous speculation based on all sorts of “sources”, both real and imagined.

  351. Trump says:

    “there is no doubt that Trump has hurt the Republican Party and has seemed happy about doing so.”

    You say it like it is a bad thing.

  352. Bitterlaw says:

    Damn. Selena and The Weekend broke up. I was really pulling for them to live happily ever after.

  353. Bitterlaw says:

    Sorry, SDC. I got skillz.

  354. NYCmike says:

    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2017/10/30/South-Korea-China-mending-fences-over-THAAD-Seoul-says/6451509379662/

    -More evidence Trump is “ruining” the Republican Party.

    “CG” would have preferred Hillary continue Obama’s appeasement policies to those pushed by the President thru his military and the heads of the respective cabinet posts and UN envoy – Mattis, Tillerson, Haley.

  355. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    368. Next you will say something scandalous like, maybe Mueller is trying to do a fair investigation and looking at both parties activities.

    “Leon Panetta: Probably a good bet that additional indictments are forthcoming, could involve members of both parties.”

  356. NYCmike says:

    https://ricochet.com/464590/youtube-praegerus-lawsuit/

    -Hope Prager wins!

    “CG”, Robbie, do you like him, or are you anti-Prager?

  357. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 30, 2017 at 6:50 pm
    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/10/30/its-not-too-much-to-ask-that-our-gop-hacks-show-some-loyalty-to-their-voters-n2402103
    -Prediction: “CG” and Robbie ignore this writer.

    -Kurt Schlicter is a piece of crap so, yes, I am going to ignore him and proudly so.

    A month or two ago, he wrote an insane piece about how an attempted coup by NeverTrump, dissident generals, and other officials might play out.

  358. Bitterlaw says:

    Nothing to see here, Bitterlaw.

    I agree. Are you worried that you are going to feel an urge to piss sitting down if given another gender choice?

  359. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – I think that it is bizarre and ridiculous to create a non-gender legal distinction. However, please enlighten me as to how you think that the country is going to collapse if a few thousand people decide to go down the trans path. I think it is odd and do not pretend to understand it but I think that the country will survive just fine if some dudes want their goods cut off.

  360. lisab says:

    well the nice thing is robbie and cg have completely staked their future reputation on hhr on george papadopolous being a huge deal

    in a few weeks we will know

  361. lisab says:

    btw, papadopolous worked for a place that was a big supporter of hillary

  362. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “However, please enlighten me as to how you think that the country is going to collapse if a few thousand people decide to go down the trans path.”

    Stop the logic Bitter. It might infect others, than the board will become dull.

    I know some transgender people, who I really like. Really could care less if they are listed differently on their driver’s license. When I was 15, went to a driving school that claimed they had taught a horse to drive. Wonder what the horse’s driver’s license said?

  363. BayernFan says:

    I had the impression that Trump and Manafort didn’t mesh well or get along at all anyway.

  364. JC says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 30, 2017 at 7:43 pm

    NYC – I think that it is bizarre and ridiculous to create a non-gender legal distinction. However, please enlighten me as to how you think that the country is going to collapse if a few thousand people decide to go down the trans path. I think it is odd and do not pretend to understand it but I think that the country will survive just fine if some dudes want their goods cut off.
    ————————

    It’s not about ‘trans’ people. That’s just a wedge issue. Once they succeed in shutting down business owners, labeling opposition as ‘hate speech’, and vilifying churches for not being sufficiently trans loving enough, they’ll move on to the next ‘reality-is-a-social-construct’ wedge issue.

    Which will probably involve something like teaching the next generation that a traditional value like hard work, faith in god, being a loyal spouse, and producing lots of kids is wrong and backwards and that hedonism, hedonism, hedonism is the way to go.

    How much you wanna bet they’ll soon be pushing for open marriages and then eventually the idea that marriage itself is a toxic masculine construct.

    Anything to destroy the nuclear family, and ultimately, replace it with the state. As marxist intend to do.

    And don’t think you can just ignore them. They’ll keep inserting themselve into your life regardless: https://i.redditmedia.com/TrmBjWjAGvmlL1qx7tMYIyXmvxQkSAlYTjag4QE1ScE.jpg?w=1024&s=d03411249ef03fe2436df35b987ae8e2

    And yes, Bitter, this stuff matters. Politics is downstream from culture.

  365. Tina says:

    Lisab, papa was nailed by the wh. I posted severql links above.

  366. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    382. “How much you wanna bet they’ll soon be pushing for open marriages and then eventually the idea that marriage itself is a toxic masculine construct…Politics is downstream from culture.”

    Do you consider Trump your leader in this moral crusade? He lead quite a unique lifestyle.

  367. Phil says:

    Trump isn’t the leader or any moral crusade but JC is right about where we are heading as a society – and the left pushes it every day.

  368. Phil says:

    Yes, the left would like very much to weaken the nuclear family as they push to elevate the state. That’s not even debatable anymore.

  369. JC says:

    Trump is not a moral leader.

  370. lisab says:

    Tina,

    obviously you are not as expert as cg and robbie

    they have spent all day writing about how serious this is

    if they were somehow wrong … why it would be almost as embarassing as when robbie said utah was in jeopardy

    yup … they are all in on this

    and hhr never forgets

  371. JC says:

    Wasn’t it robbie who said that Trump would lose Idaho?

  372. Tina says:

    Lisa, they embarrassed themselves, but nothing new with the two dumbest hhr trolls.

  373. jason says:

    Wasn’t it robbie who said that Trump would lose Idaho?

    Utah….

  374. jason says:

    So in the end, only the two Jebbots here bought into the MSM hype today.

    It’s a coincidence, of course.

  375. Trump says:

    Why support the fu ck ed mental confusion of the deranged? Just because they want to be of sex other than what they are?

    You all should be making fun of the deluded morons.

  376. Bitterlaw says:

    Which will probably involve something like teaching the next generation that a traditional value like hard work, faith in god, being a loyal spouse, and producing lots of kids is wrong and backwards and that hedonism, hedonism, hedonism is the way to go.

    Damn. I guess my gay friends who have been together for 20 years and started a business that employs dozens of people are destroying the country.

    JC – Do you know any real people or just read articles about an ideal society that does not exist? I know you think that the Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons were monogamous 100,000 years ago despite evidence but let’s look to modern times.

    Divorce rates are soaring among straight people and it has nothing to do with gay people. I know many divorced people who are Republicans and many divorced Democrats. If I go through the rosters of my players for the past few seasons (a somewhat random sample), half of them have divorced parents.

    I know people who were divorced because their spouse cheated (men and women). I know people who were divorced because their spouses were abusive due to alcohol or drugs (men and women). I do not know a single person who divorced because gay people got married. Not one.

    I have been married for 22 years. We have 2 children. Sorry we didn’t live up to your ideal.

    If a lesbian albino woman marries a Hindu trans man in a Wiccan ceremony but pays her taxes, goes to work every day, takes her trash out on Monday and does not cause trouble, I do not see her as a threat to me or America in any way.

  377. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is not a moral leader.

    Thank God. I don’t want to get divorced twice on my way to a third wife. I like the wife I have just fine.

  378. Bitterlaw says:

    I know one couple who are getting married next year. It will be his third marriage and her second. She divorced her first husband after he went to jail for having sex with a high school student on their daughter’s softball team. He was divorced twice as far as I can tell for being a jerk. He is a Republican and she is a Democrat. Neither one was forced out of marriages by gay or trans people.

  379. Trump says:

    There are lots of problems with no gay or tarns angle.

    Is that your point, moron?

  380. mnw says:

    How bout them Bluuz?

  381. Bitterlaw says:

    MD

    I think the nuclear family is great. Too bad so many straight people ruined it by getting divorced.

  382. jason says:

    well the nice thing is robbie and cg have completely staked their future reputation on hhr on george papadopolous being a huge deal..

    Zzzz…. they staked their reputations that Jeb would be the nominee.

    They staked their reputations that Trump would lose and the GOP would lose the Senate.

    They so much want Papa to be a big deal because that is what the MSM morons are staking their tarnished reputations on.

  383. Trump says:

    Millions and millions spent, and nobody, NOBODY, has even figured out what law is supposed to have been broken.

    American justice at its finest.

  384. Trump says:

    well, apart from the law that Trump should not ne president.

  385. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    395. Agree Bitter.

    Mormons in Utah are known to have strong family values, and oppose same sex marriage. This did not stop them from endorsing a gay sponsored event to prevent gay suicide:

    “LGBTQ people and music lovers in Utah have a lot to look forward to at the LoveLoud Festival on August 26. Last week, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) issued an unusual statement supporting the music festival that not only celebrates LGBTQ people but also benefits LGBTQ advocacy groups.

    The LDS Church released the following statement after receiving media inquiries.
    “We applaud the LoveLoud Festival for LGBT youth’s aim to bring people together to address teen safety and to express respect and love for all of God’s children. We join our voice with all who come together to foster a community of inclusion in which no one is mistreated because of who they are or what they believe.”

    About 17,000 people attended the event, mostly Mormon youth; Steve Young through nerf balls from the stage. Am not aware of anyone in Utah who felt the event threatened family values.

    https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865687601/LoveLoud-Festival-draws-17000-with-bands-messages-of-acceptance.html

  386. CG says:

    Let’s have a little accuracy.

    I believe Jeb should have been the nominee but never once said he would be. In fact, I was saying from the beginning that he wasn’t going to be, but would have made the best President.

    I never said the GOP would lose the Senate. I predicted every Senate race correctly but three, after having predicted them all correctly in 2014. I was wrong about Wisconsin, as everyone else was, although I thought it was closer than most. I thought Ayotte would narrowly win NH and Toomey would narrowly lose PA. So, I was off by a net of 1, but my prediction was always that Republicans would retain the Senate.

    Now, I did of course say Trump would lose to Hillary, as did jason and everyone else here.

    HHR is often about what people want to think you have said rather than what you have actually said.

  387. Trump says:

    What is this moron babbling about?

  388. Bitterlaw says:

    I have never seen a punt returner do a better job of dropping a fair catch than that young man. Textbook muffed punt.

    – Jon Gruden

  389. Bitterlaw says:

    I said Toomey would win. You should have listened.

  390. Tina says:

    https://t.co/haL7Gk4d0i

    Greg jarrets interesting opinion piece.

  391. Tina says:

    Jarret says there is no law weitten for collusion in campaigns. Collusions is inly mentioned in anti trust law.

  392. Tina says:

    FLub would be the best, if hillary was not the president.

  393. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey – You stopped replying to my posts years ago. I get it. I am glad that you returned and hope you post more often. I don’t expect to often agree with you but I hate echo chambers.

    I’m no fan of Trump but you are fighting a battle that was lost a year ago. I would be relieved if a Trump switched parties so I don’t have to vote for him again in 2020. However, that is unlikely so I will be stuck voting for him again.

  394. jason says:

    believe Jeb should have been the nominee but never once said he would be.”

    You are a compulsive liar, the usual MO never admit you were wrong.

    It was obvious Jeb was a completely unfeasible candidate way before the first vote but you always maintained “when voting started” the polls would be proven wrong and he would prevail.

    Of course you thought he would be the nominee.

    As for the senate if Toomey had lost and Johnson had lost the Rs would have lost the Senate.

    And btw, I never gave up on Johnson, I said many times rethreads like Bayh and Feingold were bad picks.

    “How, I did of course say Trump would lose to Hillary,”

    No, you said he would be wiped out by Hillary.

  395. jason says:

    Corey predicted Trump would lose Ohio even though I don’t believe there was one poll that said that.

    Trump won by half a million votes.

  396. jason says:

    Corey predicted Trump would lose FL and NC too.

    No amount of lying is going to change the facts.

  397. CG says:

    Not even close jason to the truth, on Jeb.

    My Senate prediction was 51-49 for Republicans. It turned out to be 52-48. In fact last year you were telling me it was not feasible for my Senate and House predictions to be true if Trump lost big.

    Now, if you have any pull with the group that I paid $1000 to after losing the bet, please ask them to stop mailing me monthly newsletters. They aren’t getting any more money.

  398. jason says:

    I think Corey thinks enough time has passed that nobody will catch him in his lies.

    No free lunch here.

  399. CG says:

    Everything I predicted in regards to the states that I thought Trump would lose are on my blog.

    I thought he would lose the ones mentioned. So did a lot of people. Where is the “lying?” I did not predict he would lose Utah or Idaho. I was wrong about that race, but right about just about everything else down ballot. So what?

  400. jason says:

    I guess I am prescient.

    I said at the time of the raid on Manafort’s house that if he still had any incriminating evidence there he was a real idiot….

    “The FBI’s predawn search of Paul Manafort’s northern Virginia home in July yielded important new evidence crucial to the indictment of Donald Trump’s campaign chairman and one of his close associates, according to the indictments unsealed yesterday by special counsel Robert Mueller.

    The “no-knock” raid by agents who picked the lock on Manafort’s front door turned up records showing the longtime political operative had been directly involved in a secret lobbying campaign on behalf of a Ukrainian political party closely aligned with Vladimir Putin’s Russian government, according to the court papers. Manafort, who ran Trump’s campaign for several crucial months last year, has been charged, along with his longtime business partner Rick Gates, with running a scheme to conceal and avoid paying taxes on millions of dollars in fees they collected for their work.”

    Oh, and btw, the few months Manafort ran the campaign were “crucial”…LOL

  401. lisab says:

    Wasn’t it robbie who said that Trump would lose Idaho?
    ———————–
    and

    he said idaho was not out of reach for hillary

  402. Bitterlaw says:

    The Kansas City Chiefs are starting to wrap up as poorly as Amish at a strip club. No contact.

    -John Gruden

  403. jason says:

    “I thought he would lose the ones mentioned. So did a lot of people.”

    Who? Nate Silverhack? That moron at Princeton? John Podesta?

    I don’t remember anyone here predicting Trump would lose more states than Romney like you did.

  404. NYCmike says:

    “Now, I did of course say Trump would lose to Hillary, as did jason and everyone else here.”

    -That is totally incorrect, as I and several others predicted a Trump victory.

  405. jason says:

    Wasn’t it robbie who said that Trump would lose Idaho?”

    I thought he said Trump would lose Utah to McMullin, not Idaho.

    Corey predicted Trump would do worse than Romney in OH, FL, and NC.

  406. CG says:

    Technically, I gave him all the Romney states, plus Iowa. So, you wouldn’t have remembered it from me either, but yes, some did predict a wider EC margin than me.

  407. CG says:

    minus NC, so exact same number of states.

  408. jason says:

    This is true. NYC did say Trump would win.

    I gave him 263 EV’s, because although I gave him a shot at PA, I still considered him a slight underdog in PA, MI and WI.

    Corey really wants to say his prediction was the same as mine, when he predicted a Hillary landslide (which I called him out on right to the election date) is typical of his lying ways.

  409. NYCmike says:

    Also, “CG” held on to the JEB!2016 dream much longer than even Robbie did.

    Robbie, if memory serves, realized early on that JEB!2016 was DOA, while “CG” kept pontificating at the Bush altar until…..well….has he ever stopped?

  410. lisab says:

    I think Corey thinks enough time has passed that nobody will catch him in his lies.
    ————————————————
    oldie but a goody

    “These die-hard Trump supporters have to be so totally bummed out that they aren’t going to get to see boxcars loading screaming Mexicans away.”

  411. NYCmike says:

    jason was actually a reason why I went higher. I thought his prediction of 263 was a surprise, and it made me more confident in the opinion I had of victory.

    It has been a good year, I must say! All the more so with “CG” and Robbie losing it so easily!

  412. Bitterlaw says:

    Fighting over who was less wrong is not highlighting great analysis.

  413. lisab says:

    or …

    “I dont know about Clinton,

    But when Trump says she points his supporters as Racists?

    Well,yes, the majority of them ARE .The rest?Theyre even worse, a pathetic bunch of moral cowards who prefer to look the other way as this hate filled bigot and his campaign spread hate far and wide.”

  414. CG says:

    I supported Jeb Bush and thought he was the best possible President out of all those who ran, but never remotely said I believed he would be the nominee, which is unlike some predictions made about other candidates. I wish he would have been, or a couple of the others.

    When did I say my prediction was “the same” as jasons, other than the fact that jason and I both predicted Trump would lose?

    And why does any of this matter? I know I was wrong about the 2016 Presidential race in terms of predictions. Maybe it was too personal for me to have given my best analysis. So what? Trump is still and always will be a scumbag.

  415. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    If that sounds like a negative, it was meant to be a positive. In all of your criticisms OTHER THAN the “liberal Democrat” line, you were on point and fair when speaking about Trump.

  416. lisab says:

    or

    “The overwhelming majority of “undecided voters” are firmly anti-Trump.”

  417. lisab says:

    or

    “Perceptions of Trump are baked in. It’s too late for him to win, not that he deserves to.”

  418. NYCmike says:

    “So what? Trump is still and always will be a scumbag.”

    -Mr. President Trump scumbag, please.

  419. lisab says:

    or

    “Are the primaries irrelevant in what way?

    As to what might potentially happen in a general election? Yes, completely.”

  420. lisab says:

    or

    “The bottom line is that Trump’s primary performances have been weak enough to make it likely that he fails to win enough delegates to become the nominee.

    He will basically have to start from scratch, on a second ballot at the convention, with others, and because he was so weak in the primaries and looks so weak in a general election, will stand little chance of survival.”

  421. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    The thin air on your moral high ground is cutting off the needed oxygen.

  422. CG says:

    Whether I was wrong about my general election prediction or not, I stand by everything I said about DJT.

  423. CG says:

    I guess I know what heaven feels like NYC.

  424. NYCmike says:

    Wow, when you see those posts, they are even more foolish than MD’s.

  425. CG says:

    Those aren’t all mine.

  426. janz says:

    Devin Nunes says FBI knows who paid for dossier, indicating his suspicions that this federal agency is disingenuous. There is so much rot in the government – or so it seems.

    “When deceit is so universial, telling the truth can be a revolutionary act.”. However, how does one know who is telling the truth, these days?

  427. NYCmike says:

    “I stand by everything I said about DJT.”

    -Of course you do.

    When you invest so much, it is tough to admit how much you lost.

  428. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump was a scumbag before being President. He is a scumbag as President. I have no reason to doubt that he will always be a scumbag. However, he is President. Time to focus on the present, Corey.

  429. lisab says:

    one of my personal favourites …

    “Out of the five active Presidential candidates, Hillary is likely considered the best-looking, from a non gender specific perspective.”

  430. lisab says:

    “If it goes to a second ballot or beyond, literally anything can happen. The delegates would fail at their duties if they did not take the general election and those polls into account.”

  431. CG says:

    That’s not mine because I would have given it to Jill Stein by default. Who was the fifth anyway?

    None of them would remotely come close to Mitt Romney though.

  432. lisab says:

    or

    “Somebody was on CNN last night saying that “Trump insiders” are talking about how just exhausted he is and how that is starting to take a toll on him. That he is not getting enough sleep and that he feels miserable, etc.

    I guess he is low-energy and is lacking stamina. It wouldn’t get any easier from this point on, especially in a general election.”

  433. janz says:

    BTW, the Ingram interview with John Kelly was outstanding! My respect for the man is boundless.

  434. jason says:

    Looks like except for the Kanadian Marxist, only Corey predicted Trump would get 197 EV’s

    Todd McCain says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:06 am

    EC: Clinton 278 Trump 260

    Senate: 51 GOP 49 DEM

    House: 237 GOP 198 DEM
    EML says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:09 am

    EV
    Clinton 308
    Trump 230

    Senate
    Republicans 52
    Democrats 48

    House
    Republicans 240
    Democrats 193
    Donald R. McClarey says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:18 am

    EV
    Trump 289
    Clinton 249

    Senate: 51 GOP 49 Dem
    House: 240 GOP 198 Dem
    RayNJ says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:21 am

    Electoral Vote: HRC 307, DJT 231
    Senate: 51 DEM, 49 GOP
    House: 232 GOP, 203 DEM
    NYCmike says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:22 am

    EV
    Trump 292
    Clinton 246

    Senate: 52 GOP 48 Dem
    House: 235 GOP 203 Dem

    Woke up and the sun was shining on newly bloomed roses in back yard.
    NYCmike says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:24 am

    **correction on House**

    EV
    Trump 292
    Clinton 246

    Senate: 52 GOP 48 Dem
    House: 232 GOP 203 Dem

    Woke up and the sun was shining on newly bloomed roses in back yard.
    EML says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:24 am

    Fixing mine…

    EV
    Clinton 308
    Trump 230

    Senate: 52 GOP 48 Dem
    House 240 GOP 195 Dem
    dblaikie says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:26 am

    Trump 282
    Clinton 256
    Senate 52 Rep. 48 Dem.
    Congress 242 Rep. 193 Dem.
    DW says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:27 am

    EV:

    Hillary 308
    Trump 230

    Senate
    Republicans 52
    Democrats 48

    House
    Republicans 239
    Democrats 196
    Donald R. McClarey says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:28 am

    My prediction for the House should be:

    240 GOP 195 Dem
    jason says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:33 am

    EV

    Clinton 274
    Trump 263

    Senate

    R 51
    D 49

    House R 238
    Dem S 197
    dblaikie says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:40 am

    Read this quote and then tell me how Rasmussen got to a 2 point lead for Hillary:

    “Just 88% of all likely voters say they have made up their minds how they will vote. Among these voters, Trump leads 52% to 43%; Johnson has four percent (4%), Stein one percent (1%). Among those who still could change their minds, it’s Clinton 40%, Trump 36%, Johnson 17% and Stein seven percent (7%).”
    Will says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:44 am

    EV

    HRC. 323
    DJT 215

    Senate: R 52
    D. 48

    House. R minus 12
    Will says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:50 am

    House

    R. 234
    D 201
    Joe J says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:53 am

    DT: 270
    HRC: 268 (267 if elector follows through in WA)

    Senate 52/48 Rep
    AlbertHodges says:
    November 7, 2016 at 9:17 am

    Trump: 292 Mrs. Clinton: 246
    Senate: 52-46-2
    House: 240 – 195

    And McCrory wins re-election in NC.

    Make America Great Again!
    AlbertHodges says:
    November 7, 2016 at 9:17 am

    that is 52 GOP senate 46 Dems

    240 GOP House 195 Dem
    Redmen4ever says:
    November 7, 2016 at 9:31 am

    how Rasmussen got to a 2 point lead for Hillary: Common Core Math

    Old Fashioned Math would say 50 to 43 with leaners
    MD says:
    November 7, 2016 at 9:38 am

    EV

    Clinton – 307
    Racist – 231

    House

    Rep – 234
    Dem – 201

    Senate

    50 R
    50 D – including caucus members

    NC was a coin flip. Had tails for the racist – landed on tails.
    MD says:
    November 7, 2016 at 9:39 am

    19 – prediction thread. Do you have one?
    zorkpolitics says:
    November 7, 2016 at 9:51 am

    EV
    Trump 215
    Clinton 322
    Other 1 (WA state elector refuses to vote for Clinton)

    Senate: 51 Dem 49 GOP
    House: 231 GOP 204 Dem
    MD says:
    November 7, 2016 at 10:24 am

    Zork – forgot that. Revised POTUS

    EV

    Clinton – 306

    Orange Man – 231

    1 refuses to vote
    Cory (Clinton 347 / Trump 191) says:
    November 7, 2016 at 10:31 am

    Potentially faithless electors are irrelevant.
    This is a November 8th election prediction contest.
    This is not a January 6th election prediction contest.

    EV
    347 – Clinton
    191 – Trump

    Senate:
    50 – Dem
    50 – Rep

    House:
    231 – Rep
    204 – Dem
    Gil says:
    November 7, 2016 at 10:31 am

    EV
    Trump – 304
    Hildebeast – 234

    Senate 53 R – 47 D
    House R 234 D 201
    Robbie says:
    November 7, 2016 at 10:31 am

    Electoral College
    Clinton 323
    Trump 215

    Senate
    Democrats 51
    Republicans 49

    House
    Republicans 230
    Democrats 205
    messy says:
    November 7, 2016 at 10:44 am

    Dave got it right. 51D in Senate. Trump won’t concede and people will die or get injured. Which will be horrible.
    Tim says:
    November 7, 2016 at 11:50 am

    Clinton, 322-216. Senate will be 51-49, Dem. House, 231-204, GOP.
    Tim says:
    November 7, 2016 at 11:52 am

    Damn, I forgot about the elector in WA. Take one away from Clinton.
    Cory (Clinton 347 / Trump 191) says:
    November 7, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    “…your prediction for the Electoral Vote…from tomorrow’s election.”

    Right from the description at the top of the page.

    Unless you people think the WA elector is casting an electoral vote tomorrow, you’re screwing up.
    Hillary Clinton will win 12 Electoral Votes from the state of Washington tomorrow.

    How many she might win on January 6th is another story.
    GeorgeIllinois says:
    November 7, 2016 at 12:04 pm

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 7, 2016 at 12:12 pm

    EV
    Clinton 270
    Trump 268

    Senate
    Republicans 52
    Democrats 48

    House
    Republicans 230
    Democrats 205
    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 7, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    EV
    Clinton 307
    Trump 231

    Senate
    Republicans 51
    Democrats 49

    House 232
    Republicans 203

    (Senate could be Rep 52 Demo 48)
    bennsue says:
    November 7, 2016 at 1:02 pm

    EV
    269-269

    Senate
    53 R – 47 D

    House
    231 – Rep
    204 – Dem
    BayernFan says:
    November 7, 2016 at 3:49 pm

    Trump wins 295-243

    GOP Senate 53-47

    Dems pick up 4 seats in House.
    Paul says:
    November 7, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    EV
    334-6-198 (D-McMullin-R)

    Senate
    52-48 (D-R)

    House
    230-208 (R-D)
    Eastman says:
    November 7, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    President:
    Clinton–334
    Trump–204

    Senate:
    Republicans–47
    Democrats–51
    Independents–2

    House:
    Republicans–231
    Democrats–204

    Nevada is going to be a *bloodbath* for the GOP.
    Waingro says:
    November 7, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    Electoral College
    Clinton 278
    Trump 260

    Senate
    Democrats 50
    Republicans 50

    House
    Republicans 231
    Democrats 204
    Barrett says:
    November 7, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    Electoral College
    Clinton 273 (47%)
    Trump 265 (46%)

    Senate
    Democrats 48
    Republicans 52

    House
    Republicans 228
    Democrats 207
    Ryan says:
    November 7, 2016 at 5:51 pm

    289-249 Clinton
    Senate 50-50
    House 231-204
    Corey says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    341-197 Clinton (50-44 estimate)
    Governors 30-20 R
    Senate 51-49 R
    House 239-196 R
    scooterboy says:
    November 7, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    Clinton 308
    Trump 230

    Senate: 51-49 GOP

    House: Dems pick up 12
    sane_voter says:
    November 7, 2016 at 9:23 pm

    Clinton 279
    Trump 259

    Senate: 51-49 R
    House: 234-201 R
    JC says:
    November 7, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    Trump 328
    Clinton 210

    Senate 52-48 R
    House 230-205 R
    Mike M says:
    November 7, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    Clinton-323. 47.6 of vote.

    Senate- 52-48. Republicans hold

    House: 235
    Charles says:
    November 7, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    HRC 278
    Trump 260

    Senate
    Democrats 51
    Republicans 49

    House
    Republicans 230
    Democrats 205
    jaichind says:
    November 7, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    EC: Clinton 278 Trump 260
    Senate: 51 GOP 49 DEM
    House: 236 GOP 199 DEM
    Pitchaboy says:
    November 8, 2016 at 6:07 am

    HRC: 46.5. DT: 47.5
    EV: DT holds all Romney and wins FL, IA, OH, CO, NV
    Senate:51-49 R
    House: D pick up 10.
    Greymarch says:
    November 8, 2016 at 6:36 am

    My final 2016 election predictions:

    Hillary Clinton: 50%, Trump 44%
    Hillary Clinton 341 electoral votes, Trump 197 electoral votes.

    Tight Senate races:
    – Rubio wins by 7 in FL.
    – Ayotte wins by 2 in NH.
    – Toomey loses by 6 in PA.
    – Young wins by 3 in Indiana.
    – Portman wins by 8 in Ohio.
    – Blunt wins by 2 in MO.
    – Heck loses by 3 in NV.

    The new senate will be 51 Republicans, 49 Democrats
    AuthorLMendez says:
    November 8, 2016 at 9:41 am

    President: HRC 323 EVs, DJT 215 EVs; HRC 49%-45%
    House: GOP 232-203; R-15
    Senate: Dems 50+VP-50; R-4
    Gov: GOP 30-19-1; R-1
    Big Joe says:
    November 8, 2016 at 10:18 am

    EV
    Clinton 308
    Trump 230

    Senate
    Republicans 50
    Democrats 50

    House
    Republicans 231
    Democrats 204
    Ken says:
    November 8, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    EV
    Clinton 322 -48%
    Trump 216 -43%
    Johnson – 6%
    Stein – 2%
    Others – 1%

    Senate
    Republicans 51
    Democrats 49

    House
    Republicans 232
    Democrats 193
    TheClassicalLiberal says:
    November 8, 2016 at 1:43 pm

    Trump 289-247
    Senate 52-48 Republican

  435. CG says:

    The delegates did fail.

  436. CG says:

    So, the bottom line is that jason sought out and found the post where I predicted Republicans would keep a Senate majority.

    I guess my work is done for now.

    Happy Halloween to all.

  437. janz says:

    It’s puzzling that someone who is such a scumbag has made such outstanding cabinet, COS choices, judicial nominations etc.

  438. NYCmike says:

    janz,

    Thanks, again.

  439. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw has to keep saying that, no matter what.

  440. NYCmike says:

    “The delegates did fail.” to disregard the will of the voters.

  441. CG says:

    My House predictions were about as pro-Republican as anyone on that thread, from what I can see. I actually went through all 435. So, I was hardly predicting across the ballot doom for Republicans last year.

  442. jason says:

    Looks like Corey came back to try to reinvent history.

    Not going to happen.

  443. NYCmike says:

    Discontinuation of Obama policies – that is what “CG”, MD, Author, and Robbie are upset about.

    What else is the issue?

  444. NYCmike says:

    “CG” – are you dressing up as a loser (Hillary) or as a winner (Trump) tomorrow?

  445. Bitterlaw says:

    Janz – Why is it puzzling? Trump is scum in his personal life. It happens. I k ow that Wes is an amoral predator of emotionally damaged women. I am sure that he is a fine massage therapist. Whatever that means.

  446. janz says:

    It’s also interesting how a scumbag has made positive headway in the ME, seems so engaged in Asian matters, is overseeing a more optimistic economy……

  447. lisab says:

    “I believe it is likely that Donald Trump is literally in cahoots with the Clintons and is attempting to sabatoge the GOP primary process as part of their bidding.”

  448. lisab says:

    oh … oh … the best evah …

    “Based on Jeb Bush’s experience and record of accomplishments, I feel he would make the best President out of the group. I have seen absolutely nothing to indicate he is not electable. If I ever did see that, I would pick another candidate. Right now, I think he may very well be the most electable.”

  449. jason says:

    I am sure I could find the posts where Corey said Trump would do worse than Romney in FL, OH and NC, but I think he just wants attention, he knows he is a compulsive liar.

  450. CG says:

    NYC, tomorrow I am dressing up as someone who has a job that my parents did not get for me.

  451. NYCmike says:

    JEB!2020

  452. Bitterlaw says:

    458. I have to keep saying it because I believe it.

    I will never like Trump. NYC thinks I should pretend that I do. I voted for the scumbag but that is not enough for NYC.

  453. CG says:

    This is what happens when the Broncos suck and jason is boycotting the NFL.

    He is finding posts that show I said exactly what I said I said.

  454. NYCmike says:

    🙂

    I need to get them to cosign a loan for a new car, better call them up!

  455. janz says:

    Bitter, I think you are obsessed with Trump’s personal picadillos, than assessing his presidential performance. How many times a person has been married vs what policies a president is pursuing – what effects the country more?

  456. lisab says:

    “I am sure I could find the posts where Corey said Trump would do worse than Romney …”

    he posted a fantastic amount of good material

    that’s one thing about corey … just pick a thread where he was posting and you will have half a dozen great posts …

  457. CG says:

    I did say Trump would do worse in those states than Romney. Where is the “lie?”

  458. NYCmike says:

    It is enough for me. But usually you reserve such vitriol for people who have committed actual crimes.

  459. jason says:

    You will find dozens of posts where despite all the evidence to the contrary, Corey said Jeb was still electable. Dozens.

  460. lisab says:

    jeb is the most electable person for dog catcher

  461. CG says:

    Electable in the general election of course.

    jason said many times words to the effect of, “Well, if Trump beats Hillary, I will be forced to admit that Jeb would have beaten her too.”

    Then, he changed his mind.

  462. Bitterlaw says:

    Janz is more loyal to Trump than a dog would be. I wonder if she would consider her husband to be a scumbag if he treated her like Trump treated his first 2 wives.

    Scumbags can be effective outside their personal lives. Jefferson was a slave owning child rapist but wrote a fine Declaration.

  463. NYCmike says:

    All I know is this – I am down by 2.04 points in Fantasy Football, and 2 of those points came because Andy F’n Reid had my WR try to throw a pass, which was intercepted!

    I have 6 minutes left for the Chiefs defense to get those points back, plus .05 more!

  464. lisab says:

    “I do not see Trump having a path to win North Carolina. The question will be if McCrory and Burr are dragged down with him.”

  465. CG says:

    The Broncos have really regressed.

  466. Bitterlaw says:

    That was a perfectly thrown interception by the Broncos QB.

    – Jon Gruden

  467. CG says:

    I was wrong about Trump in NC, but right about the McCrory and Burr races. 2 out of 3 aint bad.

  468. lisab says:

    it just keeps getting bettah …

    “There are very few states that Trump would be able to win. I don’t think NC will be one of them.”

    yup … VERY few

  469. NYCmike says:

    “Janz is more loyal to Trump than a dog would be.”

    -For asking a valid question?

  470. lisab says:

    lol …

    “I also think I’m 100% on my NC calls”

  471. NYCmike says:

    .5 more!

    Git ‘er done!

  472. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – Is Trump a scumbag as a person? Not as President but as a person? I say yes.

  473. CG says:

    In mid October, after the Access Hollywood tape, when those things were likely said, Trump certainly would have lot a whole lot more states.

    As I have said, I’d rather be wrong about blowing predictions about a Presidential race, than thinking that Donald Trump was not perhaps the worst human to ever be nominated for President by a major party.

  474. CG says:

    Wes and I both suffered our first Tar Heel State electoral losses, with me losing out on Trump and him on the Gubernatorial race.

  475. NYCmike says:

    Looks like I am going to lose by .04. It will not come down to an Andy Reid decision.

    Closest contest ever in our league, other than the tie we had the first week, where my opponents defense, DENVER, blocked a last second field goal to tie MY TEAM!!

    UUUGGGHHHH!

  476. jason says:

    “In all of your criticisms OTHER THAN the “liberal Democrat” line,”

    LOL

    You really want to make the case Trump was not a liberal Dem?

    Really?

    A guy who funded Chuck Schumer for decades?
    Said Hillary would make a great President?
    Said Dems were better for the economy?
    Supported partial birth abortion?
    Said deficits were not a problem, print more money?
    Took the AFL CIO position on trade?
    Said universal health care paid for the government should be an entitlement for all?
    Said most is not all illegals should be legalized?
    Do I need to go on?

    Some of these are not his positions as a Republican, but yeah, he was a liberal Dem.

  477. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is not the worst person nominated. He was not a child raping slave owner like Jefferson.

  478. NYCmike says:

    Trump’s public actions could lead one to believe he is a scumbag.

  479. lisab says:

    “What’s disturbing? Ivanka is not my daughter. I could think about her in that way if I wanted to, but despite her thing for Jewish guys, I am massively turned off by her gene pool.”

  480. Bitterlaw says:

    Broncos have to thrown on every down. NYC has a shot.

  481. lisab says:

    “I don’t know if Wes has a perfect NC score or not or how it can be verified. My predictions are all on my blog and I can check if needed, and I think my NC predictions over that time period would be just a perfect then.

    I think Trump loses NC and it might not be that close.”

  482. NYCmike says:

    Denver down by 16, two scores, I still have a chance.

    Come on Siemian, one more INT.

    Need a sack, or an INT…something!

  483. CG says:

    Yeah, it was disturbing lisa when Trump mused about dating his own daughter. Your meter may vary.

  484. NYCmike says:

    If Denver scores, I may lose a couple of points……or it might be over 21.

  485. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    Let’s not re-hash. I do not believe he was a liberal Dem, nor a conservative Republican, although he is governing as one.

  486. NYCmike says:

    Nope, I lost points.

    Dang it!

  487. Bitterlaw says:

    I have never seen a team screw over a fantasy football owner like the Kansas City Chiefs just stuck it to NYCmike.

    – Jon Gruden

  488. NYCmike says:

    🙂

    Good one, Bitter.

    I do have one last chance if they stop the chiefs…play to the last second….

  489. NYCmike says:

    But now I need an INT plus a TD.

  490. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – How does 495 not sound like a liberal Dem?

  491. CG says:

    NYC, are you going to work as Sean Hannity tomorrow?

  492. NYCmike says:

    Mark Levin.

  493. CG says:

    You can randomly gather 50 percent of the immigrants in your family’s warehouse, and tell them about the Cotton-Perdue bill.

  494. CG says:

    Mark Levin might work, but if you look too much like a Jew, some corners of the Trump fanbase will get nervous.

  495. NYCmike says:

    Funny! Made me chuckle.

  496. jason says:

    jason said many times words to the effect of, “Well, if Trump beats Hillary, I will be forced to admit that Jeb would have beaten her too.”

    Then, he changed his mind.”

    Another lie. I never said Jeb was electable in the GE. Never. Not once. Since initially I thought Trump was a sure loser too, I might have compared Jebs’s chances to Trump’s. But electable? No. Certainly I would never have predicted Jeb with 263 EVs. He might have gotten Romney minus NC on a good day.

    In fact, that was one of the reasons I opposed his candidacy from the very start. I thought he was a sure loser in GE.

  497. lisab says:

    well … most of the above was from just one thread … but corey got diverted towards the end in a fight over wes’ name and how many women wes has slept with …

  498. Bitterlaw says:

    I played Fantasy Football for 2 years. I refused to every draft Cowboys, Patriots, Giants or Redskins.

    I did not do well.

  499. NYCmike says:

    Bitter,

    I usually don’t draft JETS. It has worked out so far.

  500. CG says:

    jason is having a tough night.

    He said many times, words to the effect of, “well, if Trump wins, then yes, I will say Jeb would have won too.”

    I think Jeb would have beaten Hillary by a wider margin and would have been an actual conservative Republican President, but alas, we will never know.

    I mean, if I you are so convinced I am lying, will you bet me the $1000 back if I can find the post?

  501. jason says:

    than thinking that Donald Trump was not perhaps the worst human to ever be nominated for President by a major party.”

    LOL…

    I might even have agreed had not the Dems nominated Hillary Clinton.

    Oh wait, she is a non-ideological compromiser, I forgot….

  502. NYCmike says:

    “NYC – How does 495 not sound like a liberal Dem?”

    -I asked then, and I ask now: How many other “liberal Dems” give ANY money to Republicans?”

  503. jason says:

    I have been critical of many things Trump, but his comments on his daughter are not one of them.

    He kids seemed to be very well raised, they seem to love him and respect him.

    That counts more than Corey’s MSM fueled BS.

  504. Bitterlaw says:

    $1 to Schumer cancels out every donation to Republicans.

  505. CG says:

    He didn’t say he would be dating his daughter if he weren’t his father and his answer to Wendy Williams what he had in common with his daughter was “sex?”

    I mean, if it doesn’t bother you, that’s fine, but he actually did say those things.

  506. NYCmike says:

    Cheers, all.

    “CG”, while I still think your hatred of President Trump corrupts your thinking, thanks for the laughs….especially the ones lisab reposted! 🙂

  507. lisab says:

    i’ve played fantasy football for years too …

    brady … edelman … gronkowski … gostkowski … garoppolo …

    if you gentlemen could just bend over and pick up that football again … wait … not too fast …

    ummmmmmmmm … sorry lost my train of thought … yeah, i don’t think your fantasy football is the same as mine 🙂

  508. CG says:

    Patriots actually traded Garrappolo tonight.

    Not sure I understand that move. Brady is not going to be able to play forever.

  509. Bitterlaw says:

    I think I first started calling Trump a scumbag because of his comments about his daughter. Appalling and inexcusable comments.

    Janz to say that wanting to date your daughter is a beautiful and normal expression of love in 3…2…1…

  510. lisab says:

    nyc,

    literally one could write a research paper on all of corey’s posts

  511. lisab says:

    that was just from one thread … there are dozens of threads

  512. CG says:

    Somebody should. It would make me proud.

    I stand behind everything I said about Trump.

  513. Bitterlaw says:

    Ezekiel Elliot loses in court again. 24 hours stay for appeal. He will not serve suspension until after he retires.

  514. lisab says:

    I think I first started calling Trump a scumbag because of his comments about his daughter.
    —————————————

    actually you also called out corey for talking about trump and ivanka … just fyi …

  515. Bitterlaw says:

    Brady will play forever. His coach is Satan. They have a deal.

  516. jason says:

    mean, if I you are so convinced I am lying, will you bet me the $1000 back if I can find the post?”

    No moving the goalposts. If I said if my dog could win the GE Jeb could win too does not count. That does not mean I considered Jeb a viable candidate.

    Find ONE post where I say Jeb Bush was a viable candidate in the GE, in other words electable and you can have the $1000. Not if Trump could win so can Jeb, Find one where I said “I think Jeb can win the GE against Hillary” or words to that effect.

    Of course, if you can’t find it I get the $1000.

    Btw, Corey already lost $1000 to me giving 100 to 1 odds Trump would lose.

    The dogs at the York ASPCA are salivating.

  517. Bitterlaw says:

    Show that post, lisab. I don’t recall it.

  518. CG says:

    But again, you did say exactly what you said I said. It has nothing to do with whether or not you agree.

    You have a very odd definition of “lying” tonight.

    What I simply said is that you would, before the November election say, Trump was not going to win, but if he did, you would admit Jeb would have won too.

  519. jason says:

    NYC is trying to move the goal posts too.

    The right question is what “Republican” candidate for President ever funded the Senate leader of the Democrats for decades.

  520. NYCmike says:

    “The right question is what “Republican” candidate for President ever funded the Senate leader of the Democrats for decades.”

    -Answered many times, honestly…only one, TRUMP.

    Now, answer the question I posed, for the FIRST TIME.

    Cheers, and Good Night!

  521. jason says:

    What I simply said is that you would, before the November election say, Trump was not going to win, but if he did, you would admit Jeb would have won too.”

    Actually, I don’t think that at all.

    In fact, I am on record as saying there is only one other candidate I think could have beaten Hillary, Rubio, but with a narrower and more difficult path involving CO and NV. I don’t think Rubio would have won PA, MI or WI.

    This is a change from my earlier view during the campaign, which was that Christie, Walker or Rubio could have beaten Hillary. I only started giving Trump a chance when Hillary could not shake loose of him in the polls and because of anecdotal evidence I saw in PA.

    Jeb? I NEVER thought he had a chance. Never. Not even the 1% you gave Trump.

  522. Bitterlaw says:

    Don’t bet, Corey. Those York County dogs are unappreciative. They never sent me a thank you card for my donation when I lost to Jason. The ASPCA did but not the dogs.

  523. CG says:

    You said it before the election and then after the election, when you decided to embrace Trump, you said you no longer believed it. That’s all.

    It’s just like how it is logically impossible for me to “lie” about the predictions I admit I made.

  524. lisab says:

    Show that post, lisab. I don’t recall it.
    ——————————————-
    arrrrrrrrg …

    “The excuse will be “at least he is there for his daughter. So many girls do not have a father who loves them enough to want to date them. Ivanka is the confident and assured adult woman she is because her father gave her high self-esteem.”” corey

    “Even coming up with that “excuse” to mock Trump defenders was a little too weird, Corey.” bitterlaw

    “People that work for or make excuses for Donald Trump will say exactly that. They should feel weird.” corey

    “You are the one who said it, Corey. Nobody else. That is a pretty weird thing to conjure up.” bitterlaw

    “That’s how they will excuse it. Why is it weird for me to point out their absurdity. I’m not Ivanka’s father. You seem to be missing the point.” corey

    “Or they will say “he’s an entertainer, just like Reagan.”” corey

    “You come up with a really creepy “excuse” that you think other people will make BUT ignore the fact that you coming up with that “excuse” on your own is what is weird. How did that thought even enter your brain?” bitterlaw

    “Because I’ve seen how Trump supporters think. I am perceptive. Why does it offend you? Why do you feel the need to defend them? You seem to be missing the point that I am criticizing them for that.” corey

    “Corey – I did not defend Trump supporters saying what you claimed they might say. I have been ripping Trump here from the beginning and I don’t disappear like you do. If some Trump supporter had said what you said …, I would have blasted them for it. My point is that it was pretty weird for you to go where you think somebody else would go. In order to make that assumption you had to come up with the disturbing thought in the first place.” bitterlaw

    “So you think it is implausible for a Trump supporter to say that? Have you not been listening to them?

    If you think it is totally impossible that any Trump supporter would ever say that and it was wrong for me to suggest they might, then you are defending them. Just own it.” corey

    “What’s disturbing? Ivanka is not my daughter. I could think about her in that way if I wanted to, but despite her thing for Jewish guys, I am massively turned off by her gene pool.” corey

    “And I ripped him for it. I think I was the first or one of the first to call him on it. I just think Corey’s odd channeling of his possible Trumper thoughts is odd.” bitterlaw

    “Bitterlaw didn’t like when I did the Donald Trump Twitter parodies either.” corey

    “If I typed that “Never Trumpers would dig up Corey’s grandmother, grind her bones into dust, and drink it mixed with the blood of children” would Corey think is more weird that I typed that sentence or that I think somebody could do that?” bitterlaw

    “No, I already have accepted that you are one sick puppy.” corey

    … and it goes on

  525. Bitterlaw says:

    I think it would have been better for the Eagles next week if the Broncos had won tonight. Unfortunately, the dumbest coach in the NFL (according to Jason) had the game plan to beat them.

  526. lisab says:

    maybe this will be the year the eagles go to the superbowl!

    have they ever been before?

  527. Bitterlaw says:

    Thanks, lisab. You could have just posted it without the editing but I appreciate the effort.

  528. Bitterlaw says:

    545 is why I can never really be lisab’ friend here.

  529. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    448. “Out of the five active Presidential candidates, Hillary is likely considered the best-looking, from a non gender specific perspective.”

    I don’t even want to guess what gender it says on her driver’s license.

  530. CG says:

    She hasn’t driven since 1992.

    At the time, the five must have been Hillary, Bernie, Trump, Cruz, and Kasich. So, I think I would stand by that then, but again, none of them would even be close to Mitt Romney.

  531. Wes says:

    Actually Corey is wrong about my NC prediction. After the close of early voting, I predicted thd following for the three major NC races:

    Burr by 6

    Trump by 3

    McCrory/Cooper tossup.

    Cooper ultimately won by .2%, but I explicitly said early voting left no clear favorite in that race and didn’t predict anything but a tossup because quite honestly from the evidence I had, I couldn’t make a gut determination, though I did say I hoped McCrory would win.

  532. CG says:

    Tossups don’t count. You gotta pick someone!

    I wanted McCrory to win too of course.

  533. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey defends his wrong predictions as vehemently as lisab defends the Patriots’ cheating.

  534. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    543. “So many girls do not have a father who loves them enough to want to date them. Ivanka is the confident and assured adult woman she is because her father gave her high self-esteem.””

    She married a neighborhood boy worth several hundred million dollars, what’s there for her father not to love. Plus the son-in-law rarely opens his mouth, bonus points.

  535. lisab says:

    i don’t know …

    bitterlaw sounds like a

    YANKEES FAN!!!!!

  536. Bitterlaw says:

    I used o be a fan of the greatest team in baseball history. All of the Yankees win did not feel right. I switched to the Phillies. More losing suited me better.

  537. lisab says:

    ok … so i may have known that the eagles went to the superbowl before …

    wikipedia is a wonderful thing …

    i am sure i watched the game … but i have absolutley zero recollection …

    i once watched the white sox in a world series though … couldn’t tell you who they were playing

  538. lisab says:

    apparently it was the astros …

    i was in a bar … in illinois …

  539. lisab says:

    however, i have come to the realization that i like bourbon

    as much as rum

    they were serving rum and coke specials during the world series (diet coke for me)

    and

    i realized for the first time that i actually liked bourbon and coke more (again diet coke)

  540. lisab says:

    which of course is disturbing as

    no yankee girl likes bourbon more than rum

    i think i am rebelling against … puritan values

  541. lisab says:

    “I used o be a fan of the greatest team in baseball history.”

    well we all love the red sox …

  542. BRENT says:

    ed wins by 4 pts imo

  543. Wes says:

    Not picking anyone isn’t the same as making a bad prediction with absolute certainty about a state you’ve never even stepped foot in, Corey.

    By the way, I told you why Trump would win here. You and MD were just determined to see what you wanted to see.

  544. Bitterlaw says:

    Red Sox? They are only about two dozen World Series titles behind the Yankees.

  545. Bitterlaw says:

    Happy Halloween!

    Robbie – President Trump says, “Boo!”

  546. NYCmike says:

    Robbie says “Boo…hoohoohoo”.

  547. NYCmike says:

    Happy Halloween!
    Thank the Good Lord we have a First Lady who will bring back the French Maid outfit!*
    More TRUMP Miracles!

    *Just a joke, especially with what is going on around Hollywood, and in Kennebunkport/Houston.

  548. Phil says:

    Well, I hope the Astros can win the WS tonight. It’s been a long over half a century up hill haul. Not expecting it, however. Dodgers at home are just about unbeatable.

    I didn’t even know until last night that Verlander’s girlfriend for the past five years was Kate Upton. Let’s see, the guy makes twenty eight million a year and sleeps with Kate Upton. If there is a heaven he is probably the only guy on earth who might actually take a demotion when his time on earth is done. A WS title is probably too much to ask for one guy on top of everything else the guy has going for him. Nobody can be that lucky.

  549. NYCmike says:

    Phil,

    Kate and Justin are NOT married….and she is a virgin.

  550. Tina says:

    But on close examination, the Papadopoulos plea deal does more to undermine than establish a real, actionable collusion case against the president.

    A. Mccarthy.

  551. Bitterlaw says:

    I usually never want any team to win the World Series unless it is the Phillies but that is such a rare event. Good luck to the Astros. Their fans have been through a lot this year. It would boost their spirits.

    Also, unlike those whining New Orleans Saints fans who demanded that I support the Saints in the Super Bowl because George Bush killed their fans, Astros fans just picked the pieces of their lives, I respect that.

  552. Tina says:

    Andrew did not mention, but fox reported that papa was turned in by the trump campaign.

    Papa has nothing, but muh russian, he wire a wire. Lol, muh russian.

  553. Bitterlaw says:

    Kate Upton is perfect. Evolution really can just stop now.

  554. Bitterlaw says:

    Does Tina ever sleep?

  555. Phil says:

    Yesterday the NAACP yet again made a demand that Bob McNair apologize for calling players “inmates”. Just how many times does the guy have to apologize anyway? MSESPN went on and on about it all day yesterday. You would have thought he had murdered a child and beat puppies with a hammer. Their commentators were “outraged” , I say OUTRAGED! The guy only has given tens of millions to local charities a year. I see ESPN is losing fifteen thousand subscribers a week. Good. Die ESPN. Sick of their lefty politics. I’m surprised they even bother to televise actual games anymore. They are just eaten up with their leftist commentary. Pathetic.

    Ok. I’m done for the day with my ranting. Feel better.

  556. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – I agree that one apology should be enough. However, I am not black so I can’t pretend to know how black people feel.

    As for ESPN, I only watch games. I don’t watch their other shows.

  557. Phil says:

    Bitter. Still have not gotten over the 81 National League championship series when Astros took a 5-2 lead into the 8th inning at home. Six outs away from the WS and Nolan Ryan on the hill and you still got us. I think the Phillies scored five in the 8th and went on to win 8-7 in extra innings. Ouch.

  558. NYCmike says:

    “However, I am not black so I can’t pretend to know how black people feel.”

    Bitterlaw,

    There are players on that team that are NOT black.

    Did McNair say that he was NOT speaking to them/about them as well?

  559. Phil says:

    Well, I normally just watch games as well, but made the mistake of having the tv on while I was making both breakfast and then later, lunch. Each time those ESPN were blaring their leftist drivel. Finally I had the good sense to just turn it off. That turned out to be easy enough.

  560. messy says:

    577. Had there been a 1994 World Series, the Republicans wouldn’t have gotten Congress, and all the bad things things that have happened to this country since then, such as 9/11, wouldn’t have.

    ITs the little things that sometimes could have the biggest impact.

  561. Phil says:

    He apologized personally to the team but that wasn’t enough. You see, he’s now a puppy killer.

  562. NYCmike says:

    ““However, I am not black so I can’t pretend to know how black people feel.””

    -This is more of that virtue signaling that Bitterlaw does as well.

    Does Jeter or Woods or Obama only know 1/2 of what they feel?

  563. NYCmike says:

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/10/30/philosophy-bisexual-islam-ut-san-antonio

    -No reason at all to be worried about a culture war….

  564. NYCmike says:

    “”That’s the difference between a university and a madrassa.””

  565. Tina says:

    Bl, i do not sleep.

    It was funny here with the jebots 1and 2pretending to me lawyahs.

    They went bonkers, when I linked the indictment and plea.

    The documents did not fit their scripts.

  566. NYCmike says:

    Interesting tidbit….Bitterlaw can add another person to his hated list:

    “But the relevant history here is not what matters. The complexity and messiness of our nation’s past—the irony, for example, that in the years leading up to the Civil War, Grant managed his father-in-law’s 850-acre plantation in Missouri, including its ten slaves—is what makes American iconoclasm such a slippery slope. But it’s not what inspires progressives to plunge down it. They do it because they believe it will lead them to power.”

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/30/iconoclasts-come-george-washington/

  567. NYCmike says:

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2017/10/29/time-trumps-cabinet-wrecking-crew-dismantling-government-we-know-it

    -This “liberal Democrats” are so darn sneaky! President Trump is able to “collude” with Time Magazine and have them write a story that says this:

    “The other major contributor to the halt in the expansion of regulatory overreach has been Trump’s January 30 Executive Order telling agencies that “for every one new regulation issued, at least two prior regulations (are to) be identified for elimination.”

    **Trump probably asked the writer to write what JEB!2016 would have done for real. (this is me being sarcastic)**

  568. NYCmike says:

    http://time.com/4998263/governments-hesitant-defender/

    -“CG” does not approve of the Ben Carson pick for HUD.

    He is just another “liberal Democrat” chosen by a “liberal Democrat”, and he says things like this:

    “Carson says he wants to reconcile the competing challenges of need vs. dependency by devising programs that teach self-sufficiency. “For me, success is not how many people we get into public housing, but how many we get out,” he told TIME at a Baltimore elementary school that June day. “How many people do we give the life skills that will allow them to be independent?””

  569. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzzzz. I already knew it, NYC. Wes reminds me of it often. Fortunately, Grant’s victories lead to the crushing defeat of the South.

  570. Bitterlaw says:

    -This is more of that virtue signaling that Bitterlaw does as well.

    NYC thinks he knows what it is like to be black? Wow. I know that he was worried about there being a third gender for some reason but now he knows what it means to be black, too. He is every category.

    NYC is just jealous that I have virtues. He prefers to always take the views that pretend that everybody must feel exactly the same way that he does. Or exactly how Mark Levin feels.

  571. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – I think it was the 1980 NLCS. Many people feel it was the greatest playoff series in baseball history.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IXChwnynj0

    The uniforms are truly awful.

  572. NYCmike says:

    From that, Bitterlaw writes “NYC thinks he knows what it is like to be black?”

    The original statement and question posed to Bitterlaw was: “There are players on that team that are NOT black.

    Did McNair say that he was NOT speaking to them/about them as well?”

  573. NYCmike says:

    He also ignored this question:

    “Does Jeter or Woods or Obama only know 1/2 of what they (a black person on the Texans) feel?”

  574. NYCmike says:

    “Or exactly how Mark Levin feels.”

    -I loved that brief moment during the Republican primary when Levin and I had a difference of opinion (yet I never disparaged him for that), and so many of the HHR people were quoting him.

    After that, and NOW, not so much do they refer to him.

  575. Bitterlaw says:

    You would have to ask them, not me.

    The sun came up in the East. I know that you need to dispute everything that I say but I am pretty confident about it.

  576. NYCmike says:

    “You would have to ask them, not me.”

    -That is the whole point.

    You are categorizing people as different due to their skin color.

    Would Will Smith’s son know how some of those players feel, black or white? Most probably came from households that were much less affluent, and that goes for the whites and the blacks, as well as any Samoans or any other peoples on that team.

    The fact that you differentiate these players by color is disgusting.

    Do you treat your softball players differently based on their ethnicity, color, religion, or some other category?

  577. NYCmike says:

    “I know that you need to dispute everything that I say…”

    -Cry me a river!

    What a lame-ass reply!

    Go out and look at more people, and treat them differently because of the hue of their skin.

    Absolutely disgusting!

  578. NYCmike says:

    In honor of the display by “CG” and Robbie yesterday, here is a piece linked by Instapundit which lists some of the victories that a President Trump took away from liberals.

    https://balkin.blogspot.com/2016/05/abandoning-defensive-crouch-liberal.html

  579. NYCmike says:

    DC sucks!

    Drain it!

  580. NYCmike says:

    http://www.wnd.com/2017/10/that-other-plot-to-bring-down-trump/

    “A spinoff of Bill Kristol’s The Weekly Standard, the Beacon is run by his son-in-law. And its Daddy Warbucks is the GOP oligarch and hedge-fund billionaire Paul Singer.”

    I have not seen this mentioned about the Free Beacon……

  581. Trump says:

    “I didn’t even know until last night that Verlander’s girlfriend for the past five years was Kate Upton. Let’s see, the guy makes twenty eight million a year and sleeps with Kate Upton. If there is a heaven he is probably the only guy on earth who might actually take a demotion when his time on earth is done. A WS title is probably too much to ask for one guy on top of everything else the guy has going for him. Nobody can be that lucky.”

    Tom Brady.

  582. NYCmike says:

    Tom Brady is a cheater…..he likes his balls…….smaller??

  583. dblaikie says:

    Good morning hedgehogers. I have ignored all Virginia polls but this morning I seen something that clearly shows the state of the race. It is an ad put out by some Hispanic group that tries to say that all Gillespie supports are racist pigs who want to hurt children. It is the most despicable ad that I have ever seen. The fact that Northam didn’t condemn it instantly shows that he is in trouble.

    By the way, I had fun reading the prior posts of robbie. I can’t help but wonder if he is a real person or some comedian who takes on persona that demonstrates absurdity by being absurd.

  584. DW says:

    Regarding VA, turnout will be high. Dems trying to get something in revenge for losing the presidency last year, and GOP energized to get someone after four years of McAwful.

    Independents will tilt toward Gillespie, and if the rural vote comes out strong enough, Ed will win a very tight race.

  585. Trump says:

    The moron Bitterlaw thinks everything is racial.

    Why should anyone care how blacks feel? Or any other race, for that matter?

    All you have to do is treat all with human dignity. How anyone feels about that is their problem.

  586. Trump says:

    Best football player in the history of football.

  587. Trump says:

    To clarify, when I say “treat all with human dignity”, I mean “treat each individual with human dignity”.

  588. Bitterlaw says:

    You are categorizing people as different due to their skin color.

    Irony from the man who thinks he knows what it is like to be black.

  589. Trump says:

    Identity politics is all that haters like Bitterlaw have.

  590. Trump says:

    Do you know what it is to feel like a Southerner, moron?

  591. Trump says:

    Do you know what it is to be like a factory worker, dolt?

  592. Bitterlaw says:

    You are categorizing people as different due to their skin color.

    Zzzzz. No. I am saying that it is stupid to think that you can speak for any person or race and how they should or should not react to something based upon your own experience.

  593. Bitterlaw says:

    Do you know what it is to feel like a Southerner, moron?

    Thankfully, no.

  594. Bitterlaw says:

    To clarify, when I say “treat all with human dignity”, I mean “treat each individual with human dignity”.

    For the 15 time ever at HHR, I will post LOL.
    Trump Guru calls other people cretin, moron, idiot, scumbag, etc. but now claims to treat everybody with human dignity.

  595. Bitterlaw says:

    I view people as individuals. However, if somebody said, “I feel offended as a black person,” I do not presume to say “Well, you should not feel that way.”

  596. Bitterlaw says:

    Go out and look at more people, and treat them differently because of the hue of their skin.

    I love when NYC makes stuff up so he can argue against what I did not say.

  597. Bitterlaw says:

    Do you treat your softball players differently based on their ethnicity, color, religion, or some other category?

    I did have my 5′ 10″ 14 year old player play center but sometimes I moved her to forward.

  598. Bitterlaw says:

    Do you treat your softball players differently based on their ethnicity, color, religion, or some other category?

    I did have my 5′ 10″ 14 year old player play center but sometimes I moved her to forward. Her attitude sucked. I don’t know how she was outrebounded by girls 5’3″

  599. Trump says:

    Racist as hell, that is our moron Bitterlaw.

    Consumed by identity, which inevitably leads to hatred.

    Who is surprised?

  600. jason says:

    You said it before the election and then after the election, when you decided to embrace Trump,”

    Corey still lying….

    When did I ever “embrace” Trump?

    GFY

  601. Bitterlaw says:

    Now I am a racist? LOL (16th time ever at HHR)

    I will let the rest of HHR weigh in on that absurd accusation.

  602. Bitterlaw says:

    I thought NYC was asking about all players. I reread it and saw it was only about softball.

    I do not discriminate. Last season, I had 2 left-handed catchers.

  603. NYCmike says:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/michael-barone-window-of-opportunity-still-mostly-open-on-state-and-local-tax-deductibility/article/2639020

    “Sometimes in legislation you get closer to a goal by taking a step away. That’s what I think House Ways and Means Chairman Kevin Brady did by coming out today for a tax deduction for state and local property taxes. That looks like a step back from the goal set forth by the Trump administration and congressional Republican leaders: eliminating the deduction for state and local taxes altogether, about which I wrote last week.”

    -Well, well, well….look at this…….imagine a piece of legislation putting forth a proposal, and then scaling back certain things to make a compromise…..maybe, just maybe…..you could do the same with say….something like…..oh I don’t know……let’s pull something out of this magicians hat….IMMIGRATION?

  604. jason says:

    Corey is still lying about what I said.

    I did say AFTER the election that looking at the states he won, no other R candidate could have put that EV count together. I meant that only Trump could have attracted that many blue collar votes to flip PA, WI, and MI and win that big in OH, and come that close in MN.

    How that could be interpreted as saying that I thought Jeb was a viable candidate for the GE is a fantasy only Corey could come up with.

    Let me repeat what I said before, during and after Jeb Bush made an ass of himself running for President. He was the most unprepared, clueless, and misguided “front runner” in primary history. He had no message, no platform, no principles, not one compelling reason anybody should vote for him. He reneged on the ONE thing he had going for him, his record as FL governor. He squandered hundreds of millions to get 4 delegates. He got creamed and humiliated at EVERY debate.

    Just about everyone except your wingman Wobbie understood Jeb was going nowhere fast. You were spectacularly wrong about him being a viable candidate and stupidly kept insisting that when the vote started he would prevail.

    If you want to come back here with a new slate that’s fine. But if you want to come back here and start lying again about who said what, good luck with that.

    Nobody was wronger about the election that you were. Nobody was wronger about how bad a candidate Jeb was than you were.

    Admit it and move on.

  605. hugh says:

    622. Absolutely not!! People need to return to some level of civility.

  606. jason says:

    I will let the rest of HHR weigh in on that absurd accusation.”

    Ok, ok, you get the first points of the day.

    But it’s early.

  607. jason says:

    Don’t I get any points for having “embraced Trump”?

  608. Bitterlaw says:

    Only at HHR can I be called too PC and a racist at the same time.

  609. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – You were really racking up the points last year. Your title as La Raza Pimp was impressive. However, I think that you have been resting on past accomplishments.

    Go big or go home, llama lover.

  610. Phil says:

    Ok, I forgot about Tom Brady. Multiple titles, unbelievable contract and wakes up next to Gisele every morning. Yeah, Trump is right. Someone obviously CAN be that lucky.

    I stand corrected.

  611. jason says:

    Just for Corey, on “embracing Trump”.

    I have decided to accept the results of the election and to support Trump where I think its in the interest of the country.

    That includes judicial picks, deregulation, strengthening the military, energy independence, taxes, replacing Obamacare, for example. Immigration reform, border control. It also includes supporting his push against a leftwing, partisan, biased, dishonest MSM that is waging an unprecedented and sordid campaign against him, to the point CNN is running their own ads against him.

    Do I think Trump is a Republican or a conservative? No. Do I support his silly anti-trade stances and protectionist idiocies? No. Do I support building a physical as opposed to virtual wall? No. Do I agree with his often simplistic and impulsive foreign policy comments? No.

    Finally, do I think there is any collusion with Russia? No. Do I think Mueller’s investigation is fair and non-partisan? No, not when most of the people Mueller picked to conduct it are leftists Hillary supporters.

  612. Bitterlaw says:

    Stand your ground, Phil. Kate Upton is hotter than Giselle. Who needs a championship when you have Kate Upton?

  613. mnw says:

    RRH posts JA today for all senytors. McCaskill & Baldwin jump out for being BAD: 42 & 41 approve respectively.

    Heitkamp & Donnelly are surprisingly GOOD, fwiw.

    “Nonetheless, don’t forget we just moved MO to tossup!” sez RRH. There’s something wrong there, with an incumbent who has a 42% JA, but the race is still a “tossup” supposedly?

  614. Trump says:

    Racist is someone who views the world through racial identity.

    That’s apt for you, moron.

    You talk about “how blacks feel”, not how some individual feels. That’s your PC life.

  615. Trump says:


    “Phil says:
    October 31, 2017 at 10:11 am

    Ok, I forgot about Tom Brady. Multiple titles, unbelievable contract and wakes up next to Gisele every morning. Yeah, Trump is right. Someone obviously CAN be that lucky.

    I stand corrected.”

    Don’t forget the new Aston Martin line for Tom Brady.

  616. Trump says:

    “Aston Martin unveils $360,000 Tom Brady edition convertible”

  617. mnw says:

    I strongly believe that the WI Senate race is the sleeper that political pundits haven’t paid attention to, so far.

  618. Trump says:

    “GREAT AGAIN: Consumer confidence highest since ’00…

    Surprise! Economy Beating Forecasts…”

    Cruising to Re-election, ver MCMXXXII.

  619. jason says:

    Yeah, Bitter, it was a good year for points.

    Remember when Corey said if you were white you couldn’t be an Hispanic?

  620. CG says:

    “jason says:
    August 25, 2016 at 5:18 pm
    When Trump starts selling guacamole bowls on his website I will indeed believe he morphed into Jeb Bush.

    And if he wins the election I will admit that Corey was right, Jeb could have won too”.

  621. Proud Obamacon says:

    33% approval LOL

    And that is with the booming Obama economy and the Russia charges just starting! How low can the Orange Man go! I smell the 20s coming up soon looooosahs!

    DRIP.DRIP.DRIP

  622. Paul says:

    1932? In US or Germany?

  623. Chicon says:

    Verlander has made $173M to date playing baseball. This will be $229M two years from now when his fully guaranteed contact ends. He wakes up with 25 year old Kate Upton.

    Brady has made $197M to date. This will be $227M when his non-guaranteed contract expires in two years. He wakes up with 37 year old Gisele Bundchen.

    Tight race…..

  624. NYCmike says:

    “Irony from the man who thinks he knows what it is like to be black.”

    -I know that I NEVER said this, or even thought it. Are you speaking about someone else?

    Which black person did I claim to know how they feel?

    Jaden Smith, born to multi-millionaires and living in Hollywood his whole life?

    Serena Williams, born to middle-class parents, and whose father just about tortured both of them into the 2 best female tennis players, while living in a dangerous community?

    The poor kid in the Bronx, whose father he never knew, and whose mother is a crack addict?

    Or maybe the twins my son goes to school with, whose father is a Wall Street trader with lots of money and is a big-time douche bag?

  625. NYCmike says:

    For that matter, which white person did I claim to know how they feel?

  626. CG says:

    NYC, you claim to know how I feel and what I believe all the time, even though you are usually wrong.

  627. jason says:

    Thank God Proud ObamaCON is predicting Trump’s demise.

    “Arizona is a lock, now we are fighting for Texas”

  628. NYCmike says:

    “Only at HHR can I be called too PC and a racist at the same time.”

    -The most PC are usually the most racist.

  629. Robbie says:

    So what will be the smoke screen the Trumpers deploy today to take away from the disastrous indictments of Manafort and gates and the surprise guilty plea of Papadopolous? The fact Papadopolous was probably wearing a wire must have the Trump high command sharting.

  630. jason says:

    “jason says:
    August 25, 2016 at 5:18 pm
    When Trump starts selling guacamole bowls on his website I will indeed believe he morphed into Jeb Bush.

    And if he wins the election I will admit that Corey was right, Jeb could have won too”.

    LOL

    This means I thought Jeb was a viable candidate for President?

    You really are a lying POS.

    All it meant was that in August I thought Trump was a sure loser in the GE, just like Jeb.

    Oh, and did Trump ever start selling guacamole bowls?

  631. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 31, 2017 at 7:30 am
    Bl, i do not sleep.
    It was funny here with the jebots 1and 2pretending to me lawyahs.
    They went bonkers, when I linked the indictment and plea.
    The documents did not fit their scripts.

    – Bless your heart. The only script that doesn’t fit is the one where you are viewed as sane.

  632. NYCmike says:

    ” The fact Papadopolous was probably wearing a wire must have the Trump high command sharting.”

    -Why do I keep imagining the Fonz on water skis?

  633. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 31, 2017 at 8:54 am
    http://www.wnd.com/2017/10/that-other-plot-to-bring-down-trump/
    “A spinoff of Bill Kristol’s The Weekly Standard, the Beacon is run by his son-in-law. And its Daddy Warbucks is the GOP oligarch and hedge-fund billionaire Paul Singer.”
    I have not seen this mentioned about the Free Beacon……

    – The best part of almost every Pat Buchanan article is the not so subtle anti-Semitism.

  634. jason says:

    disastrous indictments”

    LOL

    Is that what they call it at CNN?

    So Wobbie, after a year of calling the “collusion” angle a hoax yourself, are you finally allowing yourself some hope?

    Just a teensy, wee, little bit?

  635. CG says:

    -jason, you silly bastard, all I am doing is that you said exactly what I said you said. I don’t care what you may disagree with me on or what else you want to say that you didn’t say that I did not claim you said.

    You clearly said exactly what you said I said you did so there is obviously no “lying.”

  636. jason says:

    After all Papa might have been wearing a wire?

    He might have called Trump and said “do you think we got away with colluding with the Russians” and Trump said “yeah, its in the bag”?

  637. jason says:

    Hope springs eternal, Jeb might run again.

  638. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 31, 2017 at 9:38 am
    You said it before the election and then after the election, when you decided to embrace Trump,”
    Corey still lying….
    When did I ever “embrace” Trump?

    – You have defended him at every juncture, including his facelift Tweet. Then yesterday you said “he has been subject to the most relentless, dishonest, and sordid campaign by MSM to reverse the results of the election”. Yet despite that comment, I don’t remember you coming to the defense of Obama when the current president spent a year or so claiming Obama wasn’t born in American and was invalid as president. Wasn’t that a relentless, sordid campaign? Or since he was a Democrat he deserved it?

  639. CG says:

    “Bad predictions” do not equal lying
    Disagreeing with someone does not equal lying

    There’s not one thing said by me that can remotely be described as “lying.”

    Poor, poor jason. Truly going Full Trump.

  640. jason says:

    ou clearly said exactly what you said I said you did so there is obviously no “lying.”

    You are a pathological liar. The first thing you lied about last night was to say you didn’t think Jeb was going to be the nominee. Then you said I claimed he was a viable candidate.

    Both lies.

    “all I am doing is that you said exactly what I said you said.”

    When you have to be this convoluted to try to explain your lies, you are lying.

  641. CG says:

    -jason had multiple posts before the election where he said nothing but “NeverTrump” Just those words.

    He said it will be a “cold day in hell” before he ever votes for Trump. Is he saying he still won’t vote for him in 2020?

  642. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 31, 2017 at 9:40 am
    Now I am a racist? LOL (16th time ever at HHR)
    I will let the rest of HHR weigh in on that absurd accusation.

    – Absurd accusation. Of course, Trump’s court jester Jonesy has claimed I’m an anti-Semite as well. Seems to be the fallback position of Trumpers.

  643. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 31, 2017 at 10:14 am
    Stand your ground, Phil. Kate Upton is hotter than Giselle. Who needs a championship when you have Kate Upton?

    – 100% false.

  644. NYCmike says:

    “– The best part of almost every Pat Buchanan article is the not so subtle anti-Semitism.”

    -Examples?

  645. CG says:

    No jason, I never predicted Jeb would be the nominee. That’s different from me having supported him at the time. That would be an example of you lying.

    I also never said last night that you ever said that Jeb was a viable candidate. I simply claimed and have been able to prove that you did claim before the election that if Trump wins, Jeb could win too.

    You said it.

  646. NYCmike says:

    ” Wasn’t that a relentless, sordid campaign? Or since he was a Democrat he deserved it?”

    -One person (TRUMP) vs the one whole (MEDIA)industry.

    Ok, I agree Robbie, that is a fair fight…..although we should tie Trump’s right arm behind his back….to make it even.

    🙂

  647. jason says:

    The fact I thought Trump would lose the GE and he won does NOT mean I think Jeb was a viable candidate. The comment I made, in the context of the guacamole bowl joke, was that if someone like Trump could win EVEN Jeb could win. It did not mean I thought Jeb was a viable candidate, far from it.

    You are just trying to distract from the fact nobody was more wrong about the primaries and then nobody was more wrong about the GE than you were.

    I was right about Jeb. I was right about their being no landslide for Hillary.

    I was wrong about Trump getting the nomination. I was wrong predicting he would narrowly lose.

    I admit my mistakes. You should too.

  648. hugh says:

    The guy was on an advisory committee that met once. Who cares if he was wearing a wire? This is smoke and mirrors. I am not saying they wont find something somewhere to get at someone in the inner circle. However, it will not relate to collusion. It seems to me that before you appoint a special prosecutor you figure out if collusion is a crime. Many legal scholars say it is not. What a mess

  649. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 31, 2017 at 10:50 am
    ” The fact Papadopolous was probably wearing a wire must have the Trump high command sharting.”
    -Why do I keep imagining the Fonz on water skis?

    – So NYCMike has joined the chorus that Mueller showed his entire hand yesterday. I’ll gladly take the other side of that bet. As I posted yesterday, there are five sealed indictments on the docket and they come between the case number for Manafort and Papadopolous. They may not all be Mueller indictments, but I’m willing to bet several are.

  650. CG says:

    -jason, you are backed into a corner and it’s really sad to see you squirm like this.

    What I claimed you said last night has been proven. You are not even denying it but are going on what sound like a sweaty, high-blood pressure rant to defend yourself against something I never claimed you said and I could care less about your views on anyway.

  651. NYCmike says:

    Robbie crying about a “sordid campaign” against the guy who used the IRS to go after conservative organizations, OK’d the sale of 20% of our uranium to Russia, gifted the Iranians a plane-load of ca$h, treated Netanyahu like a worthless ally (talk about anti-semitism!)……

  652. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 31, 2017 at 10:51 am
    disastrous indictments”
    LOL
    Is that what they call it at CNN?
    So Wobbie, after a year of calling the “collusion” angle a hoax yourself, are you finally allowing yourself some hope?
    Just a teensy, wee, little bit?

    – Explain to me how it’s good for Trump that his former campaign chairman and deputy campaign chairman were indicted and another aide pleaded guilty and probably spent the last two months wearing a wire?

  653. NYCmike says:

    “– Explain to me how it’s good for Trump that his former campaign chairman and deputy campaign chairman were indicted”

    -What exactly were they indicted for, and when did those things happen?

  654. jason says:

    He said it will be a “cold day in hell” before he ever votes for Trump. Is he saying he still won’t vote for him in 2020?”

    I didn’t vote for him.

    I won’t say I won’t vote for him in 2020. The reason I didn’t vote for him, which I stated many times, is that I didn’t think he was fit for the office.

    If he proves me wrong there would be no reason not to vote for him. I no longer vote in R primaries so let’s see what happens.

  655. CG says:

    So, that cold day in hell is a distinct possibility. Enjoy.

  656. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 31, 2017 at 10:58 am
    “– The best part of almost every Pat Buchanan article is the not so subtle anti-Semitism.”
    -Examples?

    – Buchanan doesn’t mention neo-con and Bill Kristol in the same sentence just for fun. Those are code words. Sadly, Pat’s had a long history if anti-Semitic issues.

  657. Chicon says:

    650 – Disastrous? A tad over the top, eh?

  658. jason says:

    There’s not one thing said by me that can remotely be described as “lying.”

    Yep, pretending you didn’t think Jeb would be the nominee is a lie.

    Saying that I thought Jeb was a viable candidate is a lie.

    You are a liar. Pure and simple.

  659. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:00 am
    ” Wasn’t that a relentless, sordid campaign? Or since he was a Democrat he deserved it?”
    -One person (TRUMP) vs the one whole (MEDIA)industry.
    Ok, I agree Robbie, that is a fair fight…..although we should tie Trump’s right arm behind his back….to make it even.

    – I guess you weren’t a FoxNews viewers at the time. Fox n Friends Hannity , along with El Rushbo and the other radio hosts, played this story to the hilt.

  660. jason says:

    Buchanan is a flaming anti-semite.

    No argument from me there.

  661. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC thinks I am a racist.

    Robbie thinks Giselle is hotter than Kate Upton.

    It is a day for absurd conclusions at HHR.

  662. CG says:

    I don’t know if *every* Pat Buchanan column has subtle anti-Semitism, but it clearly has been part of his MO for decades.

    He has claimed that American politicians, especially Republicans are beholden to the “amen corner” of the “Israeli lobby.”

    It’s the same kind of rhetoric the far-left uses.

  663. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:07 am
    650 – Disastrous? A tad over the top, eh?

    – Why am I not surprised you disagree.

  664. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:08 am
    There’s not one thing said by me that can remotely be described as “lying.”
    Yep, pretending you didn’t think Jeb would be the nominee is a lie.
    Saying that I thought Jeb was a viable candidate is a lie.
    You are a liar. Pure and simple.

    – I’ve got to back Corey up on this one. I was quite certain through the Summer of 2015 Jeb would be the nominee. Corey was always far more circumspect.

  665. NYCmike says:

    “and probably spent the last two months wearing a wire?”

    -Even when he was going to the bathroom?

    Or just when he was sitting in on cabinet meetings with Trump, Pence, Mattis, Tillerson, and their secret friend Vladimir?

  666. jason says:

    So, that cold day in hell is a distinct possibility. Enjoy.”

    Yes. Guilty as charged.

    It’s possible I could change my mind about never voting for Trump, based on his actual performance in office.

    Horrors.

    While you are still stuck pining away for the world’s biggest loser. Congratulations on not evolving. Enjoy.

  667. Chicon says:

    Hillary was in Chicago yesterday on her book tour. She was all over the evening news. I think I saw video of Robbie, MD and Author trying to get the book signed.

  668. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not know if Buchanan is anti- Semitic. I remember that he argued that the war against Hitler was unnecessary and gave Stalin free reign in Eastern Europe while destroying the British Empire.

  669. CG says:

    Find one post where I ever said Jeb would be nominated.

    I said I supported him, that he would make the best possible President out of those who ran, and that he could beat Hillary.

    But I never said he would be nominated and tended to say that I did not expect him to be nominated, but he was still my favorite candidate in the field.

    And I never remotely said that you said Jeb was a viable candidate. You clearly have something against him, but you also said he was an “asset to the party” and you suggested he could be RNC Chair or something. Nowhere last night did I claim you said Jeb was viable. I just pointed out what you cannot deny. That you said if Trump wins, you would admit to being wrong about Jeb v. Hillary.

    You really need to consider getting an adjustment on your meds.

  670. NYCmike says:

    “– Buchanan doesn’t mention neo-con and Bill Kristol in the same sentence just for fun. Those are code words. Sadly, Pat’s had a long history if anti-Semitic issues.”

    -Isn’t this what another poster did a couple of months back…started dropping certain names, and then someone accused him of being a racist?

    Wasn’t it so, Robbie?

  671. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:09 am

    It is a day for absurd conclusions at HHR.

    – Evergreen comment here.

  672. mnw says:

    So, one week until VA Guv election– it’s next Tues. Anything new to report, DW?

  673. jason says:

    Actually, Wobbie is upset that yesterday did not turn out like he wanted.

    Despite all the wild speculation, the Manafort indictment had nothing to do with Trump or the campaign.

    For Trump, the only thing better would have been no indictment.

    So he is hanging his hat on the Papa “wires”. I am skeptical this is a big deal. IF there was collusion, then maybe the wire could uncover something related to it. But if there wasn’t, and so far there is not a shred of evidence to suggest it, then the wire is not going to uncover anything.

    In other words, either there was collusion or there wasn’t, its going to be difficult to “manufacture” it.

  674. Chicon says:

    684 – what descriptive term are you saving for the indictments of Sessions, Kelly, Pence, Trump, Jr., Kushner, and Trump himself?

  675. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:12 am
    Hillary was in Chicago yesterday on her book tour. She was all over the evening news. I think I saw video of Robbie, MD and Author trying to get the book signed.

    – Oh, I get it. Because I think Trump is a horrible person and a really bad president who duped conservatives, that means I’m a liberal.

    Try harder, Chicon. I expected better smoke screens from the Trumpers today. At least NYCMike went with the bogus Uranium 1 story.

  676. jason says:

    Same with Corey’s hopeful speculation that Manafort might “sing” for a lighter sentence.

    But that assumes again there was collusion, or there will nothing to sing about.

  677. Chicon says:

    691. That was different, Mike.

  678. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:17 am
    Actually, Wobbie is upset that yesterday did not turn out like he wanted.
    Despite all the wild speculation, the Manafort indictment had nothing to do with Trump or the campaign.
    For Trump, the only thing better would have been no indictment.
    So he is hanging his hat on the Papa “wires”. I am skeptical this is a big deal. IF there was collusion, then maybe the wire could uncover something related to it. But if there wasn’t, and so far there is not a shred of evidence to suggest it, then the wire is not going to uncover anything.
    In other words, either there was collusion or there wasn’t, its going to be difficult to “manufacture” it.

    – Tote that water for the Trumpser. Next thing I know, you’ll be telling us Emerson is one of the best pollsters around since it’s got Donnie much higher than other polling.

  679. jason says:

    Wobbie, a pathological liar, backs up fellow Jebbot, another pathological liar?

    I love this place.

  680. Chicon says:

    I saw a former Shumer guy discussing yesterday’s events. Sounded very similar to Robbie – seems the go to the same talking points store.

  681. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:19 am
    691. That was different, Mike.

    – What’s different is Trump shills like you immediately accuse people who don’t like your Dear Orange Leader of anti-Semitism with no evidence.

    Meanwhile, Pat Buchanan has had more than a 30 year history of anti-Semitic comments and views. My favorite was his view that America had no business fighting Germany in WWII because Hitler had never done anything to us.

    Try harder with your smears next time.

  682. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:22 am
    Wobbie, a pathological liar, backs up fellow Jebbot, another pathological liar?
    I love this place.

    – Corey was definitely for Jeb just like I was, but he was never as certain about Jeb’s success as I was.

  683. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:23 am
    I saw a former Shumer guy discussing yesterday’s events. Sounded very similar to Robbie – seems the go to the same talking points store.

    – Dragging the bottom of the barrel, aren’t you? Now, I’m getting my takes from Schumer people just because I don’t like your Dear Orange Leader?

  684. CG says:

    I wanted Jeb Bush to be the nominee. That is a lot different than thinking or predicting he would be. That part I never did.

    It’s just like how in 2015 I wanted the Cubs to the win the World Series, but distinctly predicted they would not.

    However, in 2016, I wanted the Cubs to win the World Series and predicted they would, and they did. (I actually specifically predicted as early as 2012 that they would win the World Series in 2016.)

  685. jason says:

    u clearly have something against him, but you also said he was an “asset to the party” and you suggested he could be RNC Chair or something”

    Corey loves to take snippets of thins he remembers and tries to transform them into supporting evidence for his constant lies. Hilarious.

    I always said I liked Jeb. Always said I thought he was a fine man. Always defended the Bush family.

    But not as a candidate for President. Not with the strategy, message, body language, preparation etc. he brought to the table. He was the wrong guy for the times.

    I could like Jeb personally and still think he would be a disaster as a candidate, which he was.

    Corey thinks there is some profound discrepancy there that justifies his lying about my position.

    There isn’t.

  686. Chicon says:

    696 – doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a liberal, just that the emotion and fervor of your Trump hate has you sounding like them. Unhinged.

  687. CG says:

    ok silly jason, I do not care about your opinion of Jeb. I simply proved you said exactly what you did say, which is the only point I made.

    It’s really embarrassing for you to dissemble like this and try to claim that I accused you of something else. My posts from last night about what you said were clear.

  688. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:28 am
    696 – doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a liberal, just that the emotion and fervor of your Trump hate has you sounding like them. Unhinged.

    – Nice try.

  689. jason says:

    but he was never as certain about Jeb’s success as I was.”

    Actually, this is a lie too, and I bet the annals can show it.

    In fairness to Wobbie, he was much more critical of the Bush campaign and saw the writing on the wall a lot sooner than Corey did (if Corey ever saw it).

    Corey even attacked him for “giving up on Bush” or words to that effect.

    Corey kept writing that once the voting started, we would all be proven wrong.

    He was proven wrong.

  690. jason says:

    My posts from last night about what you said were clear.”

    Let me fix it for you.

    “My posts from last night about what you said were clear lies”

  691. CG says:

    Find the “annals.” Anything from the comments here, my blog, or elsewhere where I ever predicted Jeb would be the nominee.

    You aren’t even close to being right. Go take the rest of the day off and take a walk with your livestock or something. You are digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself.

  692. NYCmike says:

    “At least NYCMike went with the bogus Uranium 1 story.”

    -Maybe I got wrong information.

    The United States did NOT agree to give 20% of their uranium to a Russian-owned company?

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/10/26/fact-check-what-we-know-uranium-one-deal/804753001/

  693. jason says:

    “since it’s got Donnie much higher than other polling.”

    Trash it. Has to be wrong. Doesn’t fit your narrative.

  694. NYCmike says:

    “Uranium One has two licensed mining operations in Wyoming that amount to about “20 percent of the currently licensed uranium in-situ recovery production capacity in the U.S.,” according to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. In-situ recovery is the extraction method used by 10 of the 11 licensed U.S. uranium producers.”

  695. jason says:

    Go take the rest of the day off and take a walk with your livestock or something”

    Zzzzzz…. you love attention huh?

    Everyone here knows you thought Bush would be the nominee.

    But keep lying. Not that you are good in it.

  696. NYCmike says:

    “– Nice try.”

    -It was a great “try”.

    You sound EXACTLY like the Democrats.

  697. CG says:

    Things like this are why jason has no credibility even when he takes a correct position in disagreeing with some of the other goofballs on here.

    He just has no concern for honesty.

  698. jason says:

    NYC. Wobbie thinks Uranium 1 is a non-story because it distracts from the BIG STORY.

    The wire!

  699. NYCmike says:

    I should never have stopped calling Robbie

    #HookLineAndSinker

  700. CG says:

    Any specific post, linked directly, in which I said Jeb would be the nominee will get me to pay $100 to charity. Go for it.

  701. NYCmike says:

    You would think a “conservative” would wonder a little bit about a uranium deal with Russia…..

  702. jason says:

    He just has no concern for honesty.”

    Coming from a pathological liar like you I wear that with a badge of honor.

    Btw, have you found the post where I said Jeb was a viable candidate yet? Are we on for the $1000?

    The York ASPCA dogs are hungry!

  703. CG says:

    I never claimed you said Jeb was a “viable candidate’

    Whereas, you are claiming I said something specifically that I did not.

    Go find a post, but if it does not say exactly what you are claiming it said, you will have lost the bet.

  704. jason says:

    You would think a “conservative” would wonder a little bit about a uranium deal with Russia…..”

    Hey look, you have to trust Hillary’s record, when did she ever do anything that would make you doubt her honesty?

    Now let’s get back to the wire.

  705. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    JEB!2016 was a great candidate.*

    *Of course, you can’t hear the uproarious laughter thru the computer screen.

  706. jason says:

    I guess the liar won’t feed the dogs again.

    Pity.

  707. jason says:

    Backs out like the little swarmy lying POS he is.

    I expected nothing less.

  708. hugh says:

    Am i missing something? Is getting opposition information from the Russians a crime? I think it might be if you pay for it, but otherwise it seems like its not. I think this stuff about papa is nothing more than creating a storyline. If the democrats cared about Russia why did they do nothing about it even they clearly knew the like to interfere in our elections? Another question who would a bully like putin prefer in the white house a democrat or a republican?

  709. hugh says:

    even though

  710. NYCmike says:

    Let me get this straight: ALL of “CG”‘s posts, from, what was it, June 2015 until February 2016, he NEVER intimated that JEB!2016 would be the nominee??

    WHY would a person be so consistently in a candidate’s athletic supporter if he/she did NOT think that candidate would get the nomination?

    C R A Z Y ! !

  711. CG says:

    I believe Jeb would have made a great President and that he would have theoretically won a general election. My views on that are very simple. It’s irrelevant who disagrees or why.

    I never once claimed he would be nominated. Prove me incorrect.

  712. jason says:

    NYC, remember now, Corey never thought Jeb could actually win.

    He defended the trainwreck for years here because he was bored with life.

  713. CG says:

    Even Trump/Soccer Moron is less of a clown than jason when it comes to things like this.

  714. Trump says:

    Trump “who duped conservatives”.

    How did Trump dupe conservatives, cretin?

    I thought Trump was entirely up-and-up with his positions and his plans.

  715. CG says:

    If I had all these posts out there saying I predicted or believed for certain that Jeb would be nominated, they should be easy to find.

    I am definitely willing to wager on it.

  716. Trump says:


    CG says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:47 am

    Even Trump/Soccer Moron is less of a clown than jason when it comes to things like this.

    Heh. More points for you, jason.

  717. NYCmike says:

    “I never once claimed he would be nominated. Prove me incorrect.”

    -“CG”,

    You may be right in saying you NEVER explicitly said he would be the candidate.

    That makes you all the more sad, pathetic, and/or someone whom I would warn the Bush family about.

    You are a psycho, if thru all of those pimping comments, you never thought he would actually be the candidate.

  718. jason says:

    et me get this straight: ALL of “CG”‘s posts, from, what was it, June 2015 until February 2016, he NEVER intimated that JEB!2016 would be the nominee??”

    No, it was all a big joke.

    He never believed Jeb could win.

    Thousands of posts claiming we were all wrong about Jeb’s chances.

    I guess the joke is on us. I believed him.

  719. CG says:

    I said he would make the best possible President out of the 17 who ran.

    I said Trump would make the worst possible President out of the 17 who ran.

    Whether you agree or disagree with either statement is irrelevant. -jason just needs to either prove me wrong or shut up.

  720. Trump says:

    The Jeb suckers saw their dreams of Trump indictment crash and burn.

    Life is hard for them.

  721. jason says:

    Heh. More points for you, jason.”

    Dang…happy times are here again!

  722. CG says:

    Approximately 90% of my posts about Jeb Bush were arguing with jason’s ridiculous assertion that Jeb Bush was “Hillary Lite.”

    He can disagree but I don’t think there is any legitimate claim that Jeb Bush is considerably more conservative than Donald Trump.

  723. jason says:

    -jason just needs to either prove me wrong or shut up.”

    Zzzzz… everyone here knows you thought Jeb would be the nominee.

    Stop lying.

  724. Trump says:

    Well, the reality is that Trump is the only president out of the 17 who ran.

    Ergo, the best.

  725. CG says:

    Then, finding such a post that says exactly that should be easy for you.

    Make me pay more money to charity.

  726. Trump says:

    Everything else is pure dementia.

  727. NYCmike says:

    “Whether you agree or disagree with either statement is irrelevant.”

    -It is irrelevant.

    The American people spoke last November, and now are speaking a year later.

    Consumer confidence rises to highest level…..”CG” to claim it is all “irrelevant”.

    Robbie to start wearing a wire in 3…..2…….1……

  728. jason says:

    Approximately 90% of my posts about Jeb Bush were arguing with jason’s ”

    Suck it, lesser beings…..

  729. jason says:

    There you have it.

    Corey wrote thousands of posts here promoting Jeb’s candidacy without ever thinking he could win. Truly astounding, even if it is a blatant lie.

    At least in writing thousands of posts promoting Rubio’s candidacy, I thought he could win.

  730. Chicon says:

    Robbie – do you want tax reform to pass, or do you hope fails in order to make Trump look bad?

  731. jason says:

    Thousands and thousands of posts defending Jeb, attacking all the other candidates, promoting Jeb…

    But never once thinking he would be the nominee.

    This is truly sad.

    No wonder Corey is so f–ked up.

  732. NYCmike says:

    Heck, when I supported the Christie Kreme, even I thought the icing would rise to the top…..and I didn’t spend much time at all pimping him up.

  733. NYCmike says:

    “Approximately 90% of my posts about Jeb Bush were arguing with jason’s ridiculous assertion that Jeb Bush was “Hillary Lite.””

    -Ummmm, it wasn’t just jason, and he was right.

  734. Trump says:

    “jason says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:55 am

    Approximately 90% of my posts about Jeb Bush were arguing with jason’s ”

    Suck it, lesser beings…..”

    No, two lesser beings engaged in meaningless twaddle.

  735. DW says:

    693 – I already gave my VA gov report this morning. Not much new to report. The commonwealth of VA is very divided, much like the country. The turnout will be high, and Gillespie likely wins by 1-3 points.

  736. Bitterlaw says:

    While Jason and Corey were arguing about the past, I engaged in more productive pursuits. I reviewed my Top 5 reasons to commit suicide list. I decided against adding NYC’s accusation of being a racist since it is not true.

  737. mnw says:

    OK, thx, DW.

    I missed your earlier comment. There’s a lot more traffic here than there used to be, seems like.

  738. NYCmike says:

    It isn’t true.

    Nor is it true that I said that I know what its like to be black, as I would NEVER say such a thing, about any color, or race, religion, or other “group”, other than myself as an individual.

  739. NYCmike says:

    “There’s a lot more traffic here than there used to be, seems like.”

    -No, really just “CG” and Robbie continuing their pursuit of the White House for JEB!2016.

  740. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC and I used to have a good relationship. Then Donald Trump ruined it. Another casualty of 2016.

  741. NYCmike says:

    “NYC and I used to have a good relationship.”

    -You are the bestest lawyer I know on the internet….I’ll deliver a subpoena for you any day!

  742. mnw says:

    DW

    I wonder if the LatinoVictory ad in VA could be a major unforced attorney by the DEMs?

    If you haven’t seen it, HHRers, it’s amazing! Apparently Gillespie and Trump want to murder Latino children by running them down with a truck.

    The right-o-sphere is all over this.

  743. jason says:

    Corey also misrepresented my “Hillary-lite” comments.

    I never suggested Jeb was dishonest like Hillary or even liberal like Hillary. In fact I always stated I would vote for him in the unlikely event he was nominated. I never questioned his fitness for the job either.

    The Hillary-lite comment referred to the fact he decided on a low contrast (with Hillary) muddle up the middle strategy that he thought was suitable for the GE campaign. He reneged on his conservative record in FL and went for the support common core, “act of love”, “respect conservatives” meme which I warned would be fatal to his campaign, and it was.

    As it turned out it was the completely wrong campaign for not only the primary campaign (which was kind of obvious) but for the GE too (admittedly less obvious).

    I think Jeb was facing an uphill battle no matter what because of his demeanor and lack of preparedness. But had he come out as THE combative conservative from the get go and campaigned first to get the nomination he might have at least avoided the debacle.

    And as far as Trump “duping” conservatives, I have evolved on that. I used to think that. But it seems like since he has been President, they have gotten what they voted for.

    I was right all along about what would happen to Jeb Bush if he continued to pursue a “Hillary-lite” strategy.

    I guess that is what irks Corey. He thought Jeb was on the right course. He was wrong. He hates to be wrong.

    So he is back lying about my positions. Usual M.O., nothing changed.

  744. DW says:

    765 – yeah, a little bit beyond the usual garbage like the GOP trying to starve children. I guess running them down with a truck–they are just as dead as starved, but its a little more gruesome.

  745. DW says:

    mnw–but rest assured, the Dems would not be running that ad if Northam was up 17 points like Quinnipiac says.

  746. jason says:

    he Jeb suckers saw their dreams of Trump indictment crash and burn.

    Life is hard for them.”

    They are hanging by the wire….

  747. jason says:

    I wonder if the LatinoVictory ad in VA could be a major unforced attorney by the DEMs?”

    I don’t want to start a fight, but it seems somebody is calling Bitter a major unforced attorney.

  748. jason says:

    “No, really just “CG” and Robbie continuing their pursuit of the White House for JEB!2016.”

    It always comes down to that, doesn’t it.

    You can’t read one of their posts without seeing it through the lines.

    Pathetic, really. They just can’t move on.

  749. mnw says:

    768 DW

    Agreed!

    Rush Limbaugh just did 15 minutes on that ad. I hope it drives GOP turnout.

  750. Wobbles says:

    “Robbie – do you want tax reform to pass, or do you hope fails in order to make Trump look bad?”

    I want Pence to be President so I can attack everything he does.

  751. Bitterlaw says:

    I am a forced attorney. I am forced to work every day.

  752. jason says:

    If Gillespie could get 70% of the people who came out for Trump to come out for him he would win easily.

    McCauliffe won about 1.1 million votes, Trump got about 1.8 million votes.

    Of course if Gillespie could get Cucinelli + Sarvis he would win easily too.

  753. jason says:

    NYC and I used to have a good relationship.”

    I used to get along with Corey too. We were certainly on the same side during the Romney campaign.

    No, we never agreed on Cutler.

  754. JC says:

    Chicon says:
    October 31, 2017 at 1:37 pm

    This is not good, imo.

    https://www.cato.org/blog/poll-71-americans-say-political-correctness-has-silenced-discussions-society-needs-have-58-have
    ——————-

    Democrats are unique, however, in that a slim majority (53%) do not feel the need to self-censor. Conversely, strong majorities of Republicans (73%) and independents (58%) say they keep some political beliefs to themselves.

    Gee, I wonder what’s the cause of that disparity.

    Not only is the media and pop culture so insanely one-sided, but they routinely enact their ‘outrage machine’ (political correctness) to control what kind of discourse is socially acceptable and silence their opposition.

    The fact is there are tons of people who are literally afraid to speak out against the left’s latest social crusade lest they be harmed financially, socially, or even physically. The left has entire professional organizations who’s sole job is to stigmatize people and business with artificial boycotts and social harassment.

  755. mnw says:

    The LatinoVictory ad in VA reminds me of the infamous MO radio ad in 2004 or 2006 (couldn’t find it via Google), “If you don’t vote, another black church burns!” (sound effects: crackling fire)

  756. CG says:

    mnw, do you stand by your past “wetback” remarks?

  757. mnw says:

    No, that was a poor choice of words many years ago.

  758. CG says:

    Thank you.

  759. jason says:

    Gee, I wonder what’s the cause of that disparity.”

    Elections have consequences.

    We have put people in power who attack people for “clinging” to guns and religion.

  760. CG says:

    Elect Jeb is no more!

    Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) is retiring. Who can blame these guys?

  761. jason says:

    Great headlines at Drudge.

    But Wobbie wants to talk about the “wire”.

  762. DW says:

    too lazy to scroll to see if anyone posted this yet…

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-nuclear-test-collapse-093544792.html

    200 killed in North Korea nuke test tunnels.

  763. jason says:

    200 killed in North Korea nuke test tunnels.”

    They weren’t “killed”.

    They, huh, contributed their lives.

  764. DW says:

    786 – true…easy to forget this part of the world has a history of treating people like state assets. Like when Pol Pot decided he had enough laborers so he just rounded up all the excess young people, tortured them and killed them.

  765. jason says:

    I guess when it’s your time to go, it’s your time to go…

    “A 12-year-old boy who police said jumped off a highway overpass in an attempted suicide took the life of a young woman instead.

    Marisa Harris, 22, was headed eastbound on Interstate 66 near the Cedar Lane overpass at around 4:15 p.m. when the boy came crashing down onto her 2005 Ford Explorer, Virginia State Police said in a statement. Harris was killed but her 23-year-old passenger and the 12-year-old boy both survived. The incident is being investigated as an attempted suicide, according to police.

    “Based on the investigation and witness accounts, a 12-year-old male jumped from the Cedar Lane overpass,” Virginia State Police said in a statement.”

  766. DW says:

    In just 4 years, Pol Pot managed to wipe out roughly one-forth of the population of Cambodia.

  767. CG says:

    In years past, these exact comments would have incited a few hundred posts back and forth but now I expect almost everyone to say they agree with them:

    Calling Robert E. Lee an “honorable man”…. “He was a man who gave up his country to fight for his state, which 150 years ago was more important. The lack of the ability to compromise led to the Civil War.”

  768. CG says:

    I happen to strongly disagree with those comments though, whatever good qualities or skills Robert E. Lee may have possessed at points in his life, what he sacrificed for was pure evil, and forging a compromise so slavery would maybe die out in the 1880s would not have been a good thing.

  769. jason says:

    Some people hit a billion to one lottery prize, others are the one to be passing under the Interstate overpass at the exact moment a 12 year old suicide jumps off of it and in the exact position to be killed.

  770. Bitterlaw says:

    In years past, these exact comments would have incited a few hundred posts back and forth

    A few hundred? Wes and I have easily exchanged more than a thousand posts on the subject.

  771. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    McConnell PAC has Roy Moore(R) +17(56-39) in Alabama Senate race.
    https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/925345395068362753

  772. Bitterlaw says:

    Poor woman. I could drive under that span a thousand times and never get lucky enough to get taken out. I’m sure she wanted to live. I’m indifferent to extending my life.

  773. jason says:

    The cause was evil. But I think you can still admire military leaders for their skills/achievements despite thinking they were fighting for the wrong cause, not to mention generals/leaders did not only live/work during the 4 years of the Civil War, their lives could be judged more than that, not necessarily just dedicated to the survival of slavery.

    Like I still think Rommel was a great general despite the fact he was on the side of the Nazis.

  774. jason says:

    So I don’t have a problem with a statue honoring Robert E. Lee if its not specifically honoring his role in defending the cause of slavery.

    On the other hand, Hitler spent his entire life dedicated to promoting racism and genocide, so no statue for him for any reason, even if he was nice to dogs when he was 4.

  775. jason says:

    He was a man who gave up his country to fight for his state”

    Well, not exactly. The Confederates viewed the Confederacy as a country, and they fought united. Did Robert E. Lee ever say he was only fighting for VA?

  776. jason says:

    Where is Bunu to defend his favorite scumbag, Nigel Farrage.

  777. jason says:

    I could drive under that span a thousand times and never get lucky enough to get taken out.”

    Probably 10 billion times.

    If 100 cars go under it a minute, there have been over 2.6 billion cars going under it in the last 50 years.

  778. DW says:

    799 – Its been a number of years since I watched it, but that was the impression they gave in ‘Gods and Generals’–that Lee was fighting for Virginia. Had he lived a couple of miles further north, he would have lived in Maryland and might have fought for the union.

  779. CG says:

    What are the “compromises” that Gen. Kelly thinks could have stopped the Civil War?

  780. CG says:

    Maybe an ancestor of Gorsuch appointed to the Court, some shots at the media, and some “Stephen Douglas is liddle” remarks?

  781. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:22 am
    Wobbie, a pathological liar, backs up fellow Jebbot, another pathological liar?
    I love this place.

    – Jason is such a fraud he doesn’t realize how fraudulent it was for him to attack Trump day after day in 2015 and 2016 only to slurp everything Trump does now simply because he won with a R next to his name.

  782. janz says:

    I agree DW in reading that Lee was devoted to VA, and felt an allegiance to his state, although his views of slavery were far more solicitous to AA’s than President Lincoln’s were. IMO, had Lee lived in a Union state he would have fought on that side. Loyalties were subject to the times and linkages of that era.

  783. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:36 am
    “At least NYCMike went with the bogus Uranium 1 story.”
    -Maybe I got wrong information.
    The United States did NOT agree to give 20% of their uranium to a Russian-owned company?

    – Tell me how much of that 20% is allowed to leave the country? tell me who still holds that amount of uranium?

    That story is a FoxNews smoke screen and nothing more.

  784. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:39 am
    I should never have stopped calling Robbie
    #HookLineAndSinker

    – #HookLineAndSinker is you falling for Trump.

  785. janz says:

    #765 That VA ad is damaging to the party who produced it, IMO. It’s so over-the-top in it’s race-baiting attempts that even the most myopic ideologue should be able to see through it and feel embarrassed!

  786. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:55 am
    Approximately 90% of my posts about Jeb Bush were arguing with jason’s ”
    Suck it, lesser beings…..

    – Before the election, 100% of your posts were anti-Trump. After the elction, your posts are all in support of Trump. Fraud.

  787. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 31, 2017 at 11:58 am
    Robbie – do you want tax reform to pass, or do you hope fails in order to make Trump look bad?

    – Do I want tax reform/cuts to pass? Yes.

    Do I think Trump’s pathetic leadership and innate ability to make enemies of his allies may well derail it? Yes.

  788. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 31, 2017 at 12:43 pm
    “There’s a lot more traffic here than there used to be, seems like.”
    -No, really just “CG” and Robbie continuing their pursuit of the White House for JEB!2016.

    – Never took NYCMike to be a flat out liar, but I guess he is.

    Point to one post I’ve made in the last 18 months where I have continued my pursuit of Jeb 2016, Trump chump?

    The only person who brings up Jeb is Jason and that’s because he blames Jeb for ruining St. Marco Rubio’s glorious trek to the presidency.

  789. Robbie says:

    Wobbles says:
    October 31, 2017 at 1:47 pm
    “Robbie – do you want tax reform to pass, or do you hope fails in order to make Trump look bad?”
    I want Pence to be President so I can attack everything he does.

    – I see Jason is hiding behind fake screen names.

    At least choose something more creative like Rubiotaintlicker.

  790. CG says:

    I no longer think he was ever for Rubio.

  791. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 31, 2017 at 2:32 pm
    Great headlines at Drudge.
    But Wobbie wants to talk about the “wire”.

    – Seems like HHR’s biggest fraud is worried about the “wire” Papadopolous wore. he keeps bringing up over and over. That’s kind of Trumpian. Let everyone know what has you worried by fixating on it.

  792. mnw says:

    janz 809

    The ad has gotten a lot of attention from Rush, Breitbart, FOX, and some localTV channels.

    I hope the widest possible audience sees it. I never saw anything like it since the “if you don’t vote, another black church burns!” ad in MO about 11 years ago.

    The VA group running the ad, LatinoVictiry, is Soros funded, I ‘be read.

  793. JC says:

    Here’s the racist dem ad by the way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVckRJvuBQY

  794. mnw says:

    Thx, JC

    FOX said even some local VA DEMs were nervous about the as.

  795. CG says:

    The historical fact is that the South is the entity that rejected “compromise.”

    Lincoln and the Republican Party, which won the election, were at the time only trying to stop the further spread of slavery, and were not even trying to abolish it where it existed (which I think was wrong of course)

    The South rejected that. They insisted that slavery must spread and decided to leave the Union and kill their fellow Americans to that end.

    So, what in the world is Gen. Kelly talking about? Bemoaning the lack of compromise would equate to Lee being a far less “honorable” man.

  796. CG says:

    I can’t hear the ad. Tying to Gillespie definitely seems to be over the top.

    However, it is a fact that a pro-Confederate activist did drive his car into a bunch of people, killing someone in the process and that Donald Trump thought that there were “good people” on both sides.

  797. NYCmike says:

    Odd that Robbie hasn’t mentioned the John Kelly interview……imagine if Bannon was the one making that interview!

  798. NYCmike says:

    “and that Donald Trump thought that there were “good people” on both sides.”

    -“CG”,

    If you approve of taking down historical markers of whatever types cause “snowflakes” to melt, then say so.

    If you do NOT, then you would be one of the “good people” protesting the tearing down of historical markers, good or bad.

  799. mnw says:

    There’s just been a truck-on-sidewalk-mows-down-pedestrians incident in Manhattan.

  800. CG says:

    The imagery of the ad of a driver with a big Confederate flag and an Ed Gillespie campaign bumper sticker is really unrealistic.

    Those people hate Ed Gillespie. Why wouldn’t they? He is a northern born, wealthy, lobbyist, Catholic, establishment Republican with longstanding ties to the Bush Family, who then worked for Mitt Romney.

    A Corey Stewart bumper sticker would be more believable.

  801. Wes says:

    Robert E. Lee loved his home state of Virginia. He expatriated and became a Confederate general because Virginia was the object of his devotion and loyalty.

    When contractually able to do so in 1862, Lee freed his slaves.

    Upon moving from Missouri to Illinois, Grant did not free his slaves but leased them out to others in the area.

    Those are the facts about the two men. How one feels about each is up to the individual.

  802. CG says:

    The “Unite the Right” crowd did not contain any “good people.”

    There are “good people” who want to keep the statues and whatnot who would never have attended such a particular rally.

    Really not hard to understand.

  803. Wes says:

    Actually, Mnw, the “black church burning” ad was a radio ad from 1998 in Missouri. It was sleaze at its worst.

    Despite 1998’s being a lackluster year for the GOP overall, Democrats made no gains in Missouri, where all Republicans running for Congress, including Senator Kit Bond, won reelection, It seems the ad backfired in a largely good year for the Democrats.

  804. hugh says:

    820 does that mutually exclude that there may be bad people on both sides?

  805. JC says:

    New WaPo poll:

    Northam 49
    Gillespie 44

  806. Wes says:

    That ad’s despicable. I will say it’s the beginning of the end for Ralph Northam.

    To say it’s reprehensible is not nearly a strong enough condemnation.

  807. CG says:

    I seem to remember that ad being from 1996.

    Let’s look it up and fight about it!

  808. DW says:

    809 – those sort of ads backfire because they in essence say to a minority group, we think you are so stupid as a race that you will easily fall for this false stereotype of the other side.

    In other words, the ad IS what they accuse the other side of.

  809. janz says:

    I’m going back to a comment (#481) Bitter made last night:

    “Janz is more loyal to Trump than a dog would be.”

    I wouldn’t call it “loyalty,” to focus on and measure a person for their overall performance in an elected public position. For instance, Jimmy Carter was “saintly” in his private life, but was a lousy president in terms of the economy and foreign policy. Trump is quite the opposite, in that his personal life is one of multiple marriages and a vulgar mouth. However, so far he appears to be making positive inroads in his domestic and foreign policies, despite the chaos being churned up all around him in the WH and among those he doesn’t play well with.

    In my own life, I have been married longer than you Bitter, to the same person. However, when my dad died at a young age, my mom chose to marry a man who had been married seven (7) times before! I was besides myself with grief, not liking this guy one iota. My only option, though, was to make a deal with my mom and her new squeeze, saying if they waited at least 6 mos to get married I would give a wedding reception at my home and do all the cooking. This guy was such a “loser,” in my mind, that I felt he would simply disappear and that would be that. However, he didn’t meet my projections. They waited the 6 mos., got married, and I reluctantly had to keep my end of the bargain.

    Fast forward 20 years, and this mismatched couple remained married, supportive of each other and happy. I grew to really care for the guy, grateful they hadn’t listened to me, and was there for him the day he died. This was a big lesson for me for not to play “God,” by thinking I could look into another’s soul and accurately judge their “morality.”

    Consequently, I’m keeping my judgment of Trump cordoned off to current-day conduct and his policy-making, rather than blazing away on what he has and has not done in his past personal affairs.

  810. mnw says:

    Thx, Wes

    I remembered the ad, but not the year, & I couldn’t find it when I ran Google searches.

    I would say this one in VA is probably more toxic. I’m hoping it will drive up GOP turnout. Some of the callers on Rush, who were lukewarm about Gillespie (because GOPe) were really pi**ed-off about the ad.

  811. DW says:

    New WaPo poll:

    Northam 49
    Gillespie 44

    Wow–those are good numbers for Gillespie.

    In 2013, WaPo had McAwful ahead by 12 points! In the end McAwful won by 2.5 points. If this poll today is off by the same margin, Gillespie will win by the exact margin Wes predicted, +4

  812. Wes says:

    Any time, Mnw.

    I remembered it because I first heard Sean Hannity mention it in connection with the NAACP James Byrd ad during the 2000 cycle.

  813. CG says:

    Jonah Goldberg, back in 1999, thought it was 1996. I am not sure. I know Bill Clinton was talking on the campaign trail about black churches burning that year because there were some instances of it and he falsely claimed to have witnessed those in Arkansas as a child.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/204537/slander-political-tool-jonah-goldberg

  814. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/tony-podesta-threatens-sue-fox-news-tucker-carlson-report/

    -Did Robbie mention this part about the Manafort indictment?

  815. mnw says:

    I remember that when the “black church burns!” ad ran in MO, all hell broke loose-/ it hadn’t been a big ad buy, but in a couple of days, everybody in MO was aware of it.

    I want the remaining 6 days if the VA campaign to be a controversy over that ad! So far, a lot of DEMs are standing up for it & saying “fair comment.”

  816. CG says:

    It was probably 1998.

  817. DW says:

    For those keeping score at home, the last WaPo poll of VA from 1 month ago had Northam up 53 / 40, a 13 point advantage.

  818. Wes says:

    This seems to me like another Wellstone memorial moment for the Dems. They overreached and suffered a major backlash with that stupidity.

    Northam would be wise to condemn it.

    Mary Landrieu tried similar racebaiting in 2014 while running against Bill Cassidy. It only further eroded her support and made her an early out in the runoff.

  819. CG says:

    And sorry, I still think Gillespie is an underdog and that that the gap may be widening.

    Will be perfectly fine if I turn out to be wrong after next week. I prefer Gillespie win, if he is the Ed Gillespie I have always known of.

    But if he tries to make the election a referendum on Robert E. Lee being a honorable man, I really don’t care to be honest then what the result is.

  820. mnw says:

    DW

    Good catch.

  821. Wes says:

    People don’t like being called racists and bigots–especially when they’re not.

    Just ask Mark Udall, who thought demonizing white men was the path to reelection three years ago.

  822. CG says:

    I can imagine Muslims don’t like being called terrorists or anti-American when they aren’t either.

  823. DW says:

    840 – Dems show an awful lot of hubris right now given they got shellacked 1 year ago from dog-catcher all the way up the ballot to POTUS.

    They haven’t learned any lessons and still engage in the same mistaken idea that they can listen to their own DC and media echo chambers to know what the American people think.

    There is a link at RCP of Tim Kaine standing up for the Dems payment for the Russian dossier. Apparently he doesn’t think he has anything to worry about in his senate re-election bid. Maybe he should sit down and have a chat with Mark Warner about that.

  824. Wes says:

    If the gap were widening, Dems wouldn’t running ads claiming Gillespie wants to run over Latinos with a truvk.

    Racebaiting is a tool used by those afraid of losing.

  825. CG says:

    Until and unless Tim Kaine draws a credible opponent, he definitely has nothing to worry about.

  826. mnw says:

    I can tell you this: the Virginians who called Rush about that ad today were MAD!

  827. CG says:

    They’d run the ad anyway. Trying to gin up their base. That has seemed to be the formula for both parties lately, and this election will probably have a low turnout.

  828. Wes says:

    I’m sure Muslims vote Democrat for that reason, Corey.

    It has little relevance to the VA-Gov race.

  829. NYCmike says:

    “CG” – serving Sanctimony at its finest!

  830. DW says:

    850 – President Hillary agrees that once you draw a weak opponent, you are guaranteed to win a general election.

    That Democrat clown in IA also agrees that once the weak and unknown Joni Ernst got the GOP senate nomination, his path was cleared.

  831. CG says:

    The people who call Rush and read Breitbart, etc, are not typical “swing” voters.

    However, maybe it will help Gillespie with that crowd.

    Last week, a VA voter called Rush and said he couldn’t vote for Ed Gillespie because he is “part of the swamp.” Limbaugh told him he respected his view and to act on his conscience.

    Quite a difference from the “binary choice” argument presented when the GOP candidate was Trump.

  832. Wes says:

    I’m sure they would, Corey–because potentially infuriating the largest ethnic group in a state is what politicians do when they’re anticipating an easy victory.

  833. mnw says:

    I’ve seen the ad a couple of times. I think one of the women at the end is wearing a Muslim headscarf, although I may be wrong.

  834. NYCmike says:

    “I can imagine Muslims don’t like being called terrorists or anti-American when they aren’t either.”

    -You would think there would be a VERY VOCAL majority which would make sure the “small minority” doesn’t give them a bad reputation.

  835. CG says:

    Back not long ago, Muslim-Americans tended to mostly vote Republican. Same with Asian-Americans. Those days are gone now.

  836. CG says:

    Is Corey Stewart going to beat Tim Kaine?

  837. Wes says:

    Since you brought it up, Corey, Muslims started voting heavily Democrat when GWB was President. I’m sure that was pure coincidence.

  838. mnw says:

    I suspect the ad will be most infuriating to rural conservatives who were cool to Gillespie…heretofore.

  839. NYCmike says:

    “Those days are gone now.”

    -The more statements you make with such confidence, the more I look for actual evidence.

    2016 was a good lesson, sadly you don’t seem to have learned much.

  840. CG says:

    Not by as wide of a margin as now.

  841. CG says:

    You can look at the exit polls, especially with Asian-Americans.

  842. DW says:

    852 – not sure you are plugged into VA. It will not be a low turnout for a Governor race. VA never has an incumbent running for re-election to the office, and its an evenly divided state for Governor elections. There will be a normal turnout.

  843. NYCmike says:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/clinton-won-asian-american-vote-some-swing-states-turned-toward-n684716

    “But preliminary numbers from a 14-state exit poll conducted by the Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund (AALDEF) may offer a bright spot for Republicans. While Clinton performed better nationally with AAPI voters than President Barack Obama did in 2012 — winning 79 percent of the vote compared to Obama’s 77 percent — President-elect Donald Trump secured double the AAPI support compared to GOP candidate Mitt Romney in Pennsylvania, a battleground state that helped Trump win the election.

    What’s more, Trump got 29 percent of AAPI support in Nevada, up eight points compared to Romney, according to AALDEF. Clinton, by contrast, garnered 69 percent, down 12 points compared to President Obama.”

  844. CG says:

    Lower turnout than a Presidential race of course.

    The point is that both parties are trying to focus more on their base rather than swing voters.

    That’s how Obama won in 2012 and Trump won in 2016.

    If they think this ad will be powerful in getting Democrats out to vote, they will run it.

    Both sides probably think the election will be close.

  845. NYCmike says:

    “You can look at the exit polls, especially with Asian-Americans.”

    -Ok, will do….already!

  846. mnw says:

    Asian-Americans don’t like affirmative action (by whatever euphemism it’s being called now) in college admissions.

  847. Wes says:

    I wasn’t discussing Asians, Corey. I was referring to Muslims–the ethnic group you cited as offended because of being linked to terrorism. You responded by splitting hairs about margins.

    That doesn’t negate the fact that Muslims started voting heavily Dem when Bush was President.

  848. NYCmike says:

    mnw,

    “CG” is programmed, at this point in his life, to say everything is bad for Republicans.

    His software will not be updated until 2021, or 2025.

  849. CG says:

    Yes, they show that Clinton won the Asian-American vote in a landslide, where Republicans carried the vote in the past. Exactly what I said.

    Apparently though, Trump did a point or two better than Romney with Asian-Americans in PA. Ok,if true, that doesn’t change the overall problem for Republicans though and the Asian-American vote in Pennsylvania may not be as big as some other states in regards to sample size.

  850. DW says:

    869 – VA has a lot of independents and ‘Ron Paul’ types. Some of these that might have been cool toward Gillespie might well be disgusted by this ad and either stay home or flip to Gillespie.

    Way too much risk for Northam to have this ad out and not condemn it.

    Especially if he is supposedly ahead in the polls. This ad looks to me more like swinging for the fences or going for it on 4th down and 10.

  851. Tina says:

    So, muh wired is part of muh russian?

  852. Tina says:

    Oh drat party says to stop talking about muh russian.

    Bb

  853. CG says:

    I’m having diff conversations with diff people.

    GWB won the Muslim vote in 2000, and he lost it in 2004. That’s too bad, but Trump lost it by far more.

    The point I am making is that if it is wrong for Dems to run an ad accusing white people of wanting to run over minority kids, which I think it is, it is also wrong for Trump to claim something like thousands of Muslims celebrated 9/11 in NJ.

    Wrong is wrong and lies are lies. Both sides can feel the same way about it.

  854. NYCmike says:

    Trump won the Presidency.

    Hillary, you won the Asian vote!

  855. mnw says:

    DW

    A few local DEMs don’t like the ad, but so far big DEMs are sticking with the “fair comment” party line… I did say “so far.”

  856. Tina says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/30/john-mccain-admits-he-didnt-pay-attention-to-trumps-popular-pro-american-immigration-priorities/amp/

    Mccain admits to not reading trumps awesome illegal immigration plan.

    Like he did not read the reports of troops in niger.

  857. Tina says:

    Cccp sanders just admits that the people do not care about muh russian.

    Only two jebots do, however.

  858. CG says:

    Well, if it gets the reluctant Stewart fans to now vote for Gillespie, it will help him. I don’t know how many people will even see the ad though or if it truly has the potential to be a “game-changer.”

    Like I said, I would like Gillespie to win and to watch the Democrats panic about the result. People here are saying that Gillespie is going to win, regardless of what the polls say.

    Ok, if you are right, you will get to gloat away. But if Northam wins, please don’t claim you did not predict the opposite or give some sort of excuse for being wrong.

  859. mnw says:

    I find the Russian stuff too boring to wade through, even when the other side is getting gored.

  860. Tina says:

    The FEC Act (52 USC 30101) prohibits foreign nationals and governments from giving or receiving money in U.S. campaigns.

    Important for any charges in muh ruusian hoax.

  861. Tina says:

    Hi, mnw, welcome back

  862. Chicon says:

    Robbie, the question was simple. It was not about Trump’s ability to pass tax cuts. It was whether you would like to see tax cuts enacted, even if Trump gets some of the credit. Not hard.

  863. mnw says:

    A pleasure, Tina. I always read your posts. My Russian crib sheet.

  864. Tina says:

    Ds should be nervous aboutt muh russian.

    Keep reading from ds,s that muellller needs to quit.

    Lol

  865. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    You can tell Monday’s indictments were a dud when CNN tweets out this comment:

    “President Trump says “no collusion” but Senate intel says there’s been no conclusion”

    After an eight month investigation, this is all we have.

  866. Tina says:

    Yup, they all confirm no collusion.

    However, the drats now ar e worried by uranium one and the dossier.

    I knew it was heading there.

  867. CG says:

    Terrible thing going on in Manhattan now.

  868. Chicon says:

    Ban trucks. They kill people.

  869. mnw says:

    I don’t see how a road rage incident leads to mowing down bicyclists, & I can’t see how policevcan say “no terrorism” 5 minutes after it happens, either.

  870. janz says:

    Living in CA, is like living at the headquarters of the democrat resistance to Trump. Everywhere I go they all hate him! Then you have this article posted today: In the Heart of “The Resistance,” California Conservatives Are Invigorated, written by the NYTs, no less.

    Ironic…..

  871. DW says:

    “People here are saying that Gillespie is going to win, regardless of what the polls say.”

    Specifically I think it is Wes and me. Not sure if others have predicted a Gillespie win.

    I really don’t care much what the polls say, though they might help show trajectory if they poll multiple times and use the same methodology. But if 2016 taught us anything, it taught us that unless you are the Trafalgar Group, your polling firm was clueless on statewide polling.

    VA polling has been spectacularly bad in the last two statewide elections for Governor and Senate.

    So if I am wrong and Northam wins, I will be here posting and not run from my prediction, and if Ed Gillespie wins, I will also be here to talk about it. Either candidate could win, but given all the indicators I see along with my general feel for this race, it looks to me like a 1-3 point win for Gillespie.

  872. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    874. “Yes, they show that Clinton won the Asian-American vote in a landslide, where Republicans carried the vote in the past. Exactly what I said.

    Apparently though, Trump did a point or two better than Romney with Asian-Americans in PA. Ok,if true, that doesn’t change the overall problem for Republicans though. . .”

    Overshadowing this whole technical discussion is one salient fact: Trump became president, and Romney didn’t. And when Trump won, the Republicans against heavy odds held the Senate and kept the House.

    You can argue all you want about missed tackles, but in the end the what’s on the scoreboard at the end of the game is what counts.

  873. CG says:

    From the NYT story,

    the irony of the dude wearing a Trump hat and a Reagan-Bush ’84 shirt.

    Besides the fact that Trump donated the max to Mondale that year, there is nothing at all about the Reagan-Bush ’84 campaign that would please a die-hard Trumpist and vice versa.

  874. mnw says:

    DW

    The only thing I see somewhat clearly is the trendline you pointed out in 842.

  875. CG says:

    OK DW, as long as you own it after the fact, if you turn out to be wrong. Just don’t say something like “there was this unexpected factor that rendered my prediction irrelevant and I can’t be responsible for it.” Like you would sometimes do with baseball predictions, although perhaps you were more joking around on those.

  876. Tina says:

    They are invogorated because californians do not like endless foreign ventures led by bushobama.

  877. CG says:

    and the next game and the ones after that are going to have a lot more Asian-American players and other minority players, so that’s going to have to be part of the game plan if you want to win then.

  878. Tina says:

    Remember a little history lesson for reagan.

    The bushbots disliked him.

    Reagan was for free trade with caveats.. tariifs and quotas were implememted on japanese cars to force producton here.

  879. NYCmike says:

    I need to let me son read any of “CG”‘s posts, so that he will understand what people mean when they say “sanctimonious pr*ck”.

  880. CG says:

    I’m sure his Uncles are good role models.

  881. mnw says:

    I am too lazy to go dig around for it, but there is empirical polling evidence out there that Asian-Americans just DON’T LIKE affirmative action, because they perceive it is not in their interest. Color blind, academic & test-based admissions are in their interest, they believe.

  882. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    6h
    ….earth shattering. He and his brother could Drain The Swamp, which would be yet another campaign promise fulfilled. Fake News weak!

    An example….

    This has a literal meaning as well as a figuratively meaning.

    Either way, pass the popcorn…

  883. Tina says:

    It is clear where the muh russian ninvestiguatiin is going.

    It is clear why the drats wiull not be happy.

  884. CG says:

    It’s been kind of hard to make a case just about affirmative action when there has been a perception that Republicans are the enemies of all minorities. Now, I hate that perception, but it exists, and I think Trump is making it far worse.

    mnw, I give you credit for being willing to admit you were wrong to use the term “wetbacks.” That is something that Trump is never able to do.

  885. DW says:

    900 – wrong is wrong. I mean if I expect for instance too strong of a rural turnout for Gillespie and they don’t show up, then I was wrong about my expectation of them, and won’t blame them for not showing up to bail me out on my prediction. That is the whole point of forecasting…consider all the data and build a profile of expectations based on what you think you see happening with all the individual pieces.

    The only way I would bail on my prediction is if between now and the election some disqualifying fact comes out about Gillespie.

  886. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    From AP

    “WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell exhibited no interest Tuesday in considering legislation shielding the special counsel from Donald Trump, even as Republicans warn the president against interfering with Robert Mueller’s investigation.

    McConnell’s remarks came as Trump has continued using Twitter to complain about the continued focus on “phony Trump/Russia” connections, instead of on Hillary Clinton and Democrats. They also came a day after Mueller’s inquiry into Russian meddling during the 2016 presidential race yielded a guilty plea and two indictments of Trump campaign officials.

    Two bipartisan bills were introduced months ago that would make it harder for a special counsel to be fired. After an initial flurry of support, the bills have stalled as Trump has softened his public criticism of Mueller.

    “We’ve got plenty of things we have to do between now and the end of the year that will take us…”

    Found the trollfest interesting on the board yesterday as they attempted to make an issue of something that turned out to be a dud.

    The underlying reaction seems to be: “after eight months, this is all you have to show for it?”

  887. DW says:

    Police officials said that the driver shouted “Allahu akbar” after the incident. — this according to NBC News. Maybe, just maybe terrorism.

  888. Phil says:

    Maybe I am just a blindly optimistic but I actually am encouraged by those Washington Post numbers. A 13 point WP lead has been cut by 8. The WP poll has been notorious for inflating Va Democratic statewide leads.

    Can someone tell me what the final WP poll showed The Dem lead for governor in 2013 vs the final margin? My memory is that the final race numbers were considerably closer than the final WP poll showed that year. Anyone?

  889. Tina says:

    Surging ed.

  890. Phil says:

    There is no Islamic terrorism, DW. I know because I heard it on CNN.

  891. janz says:

    Poll:71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions Society Needs to Have, 58% Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share; done by the Cato Institute.

    Withholding political views goes hand in hand with attempting to accurately gauge an election too, which may be applicable to the numbers in the VA election.

  892. Tina says:

    Phil, i hope that the astros win tonight.

  893. CG says:

    I remember the 2013 Gov race turning out closer than the polls showed.

  894. Tina says:

    It could have been another workplace violence matter.

    Lets not rush to judge

    obumbler.

  895. CG says:

    I hope the Astros win, solely to make George H.W, Bush happy, as he has been a fan for decades.

  896. Tina says:

    Espn loses 480000 subscribers.

    Lets see why

    Discuss politics, hint you do sports.

    Hire crappy hosts.

    Hands up dont shoot

    Blm

    Advocate for no standing for the anthem.

  897. Phil says:

    I do know there was one Washington Post poll in October that showed McAuliffe up 51-39 of October that year. Just not sure what the fiinal Washington Post poll showed. The race was MUCH closer than 12 pats. I do know that.

  898. Tina says:

    Cnn fake flapper indicated that manafort pleaded guilty.

    I cannot watch cnn, thankfully i do not have cable.

  899. mnw says:

    Tina

    They’d lose one MORE if I could figure out how to un-bundle them from my cable package… and still get the Blues.

  900. janz says:

    Tina, Even Leon Panetta is saying he thinks Mueller will indict more people, “democrats included.” There are apparently 4 more sealed documents (indictments?) at the ready.

  901. CG says:

    In fairness, “Democrats included” could mean Jared Kushner and a lot of other people in Trump’s inner circle.

    I think Mueller, who has only been on the job since late May, is a very fair person, and will do his job well, wherever it takes him.

  902. mnw says:

    Indictments are returned for the whole WEEK that a federal GJ meets, usually: child pornographers and drug conspiracies and Hobbes Act and Russian zhit and illegal aliens all mixed in together.

    I don’t think the fact that there are sealed indictments filed at the same time as Manafort means anything.

  903. janz says:

    CG, I interpreted Panetta’s remarks to mean people outside of the WH circle. In fact Panetta has already opined that the Uranium One deal should be looked into more — meaning pointing a finger at the Podesta bros. I’m curious what you base your sense of fairess, regarding Mueller on, CG?

  904. Tina says:

    Facebook admits that the russian ads were meant to harm trump.

    https://t.co/7cehs5TksV

  905. CG says:

    Let him look at everything and everyone.

  906. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    895. The picture on the front page of that NYT link says a lot. Asians, one with a red “Make America Great”cap, attending a Shapiro event.

    //www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/us/california-republicans-bannon-miller-conservative.html

    In San Diego, Asians vote Republican by the same percentages as Anglos. A person’s economic status often determines how they vote, and in San Diego Asians have higher incomes than Anglos.

    Higher income Latinos also often vote Republican. Recent U.S. gov statistics show the income of Latinos rising much more rapidly than any other group. What likely will happen is what took place with supposedly solid Democratic Italian and other European immigrant voters. A booming economy and opportunity breeds Republicans.

  907. Phil says:

    The final voting numbers had MCAuliffe winning by two and a half points. I recall the final WP poll having McAuliffe winning by a wider margin than that.

  908. Tina says:

    Janz, i would not bet that those are related to the russian hoax. That was a jebot talking point, but the people in the no say that it is more likely thers indicted, not related to this matter

  909. Tina says:

    4 other schmoes indicted, not reelated to muh russian.

  910. Tina says:

    When the hillarybots are charged, jebots will say, it was just opposition research.

  911. mnw says:

    San Diego

    That’s well said & consistent with my point about Asian-Americans’ dislike for affirmative action.

  912. CG says:

    There is a long tradition in VA of the party that lost the WH the year before winning the VA Governorship.

    Now, McAuliffe did break that streak last time, but it turned out closer than the polls showed.

    Now, the burden of fighting against historic trends is on the other side. If the Democrat loses, that is a brutal result for them. Absolutely brutal. I’d love to see it. I’ll ignore whatever the SOB in the White House has to say about it.

    Thinking back to Nov 2001, when GWB was in the 80s approval wise, the Democrats still won the Governorship there fairly easily.

  913. janz says:

    Jeb Hensarling retiring. Allen West a possible candidate for his job.

  914. mnw says:

    Did West move to TX? I’d love to have him back in Congress.

  915. janz says:

    #933 Good to know Tina.

  916. janz says:

    mnw- Here’s a direct quote from the article read about Hensarling:

    “Retired Army Lt. Col. Allen West, who headed the Dallas-based National Center for Policy Analysis until it closed last summer, is a former Florida congressman and staunch conservative who has been mentioned as a possible successor to Hensarling.”

  917. Tina says:

    House intel meets with fbi about dossier.

    Piglosi sent some of her reps.

    Remeber, they first stated no need for dossier to be subpoenaed.

    The dossier is critical.

  918. JC says:

    I’m surprised no one’s posted about this yet.

    8 Dead in terrorist attack in NYC: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-one-person-dead-incident-lower-manhattan-n816166

    BTW, the police immediately came out and said it wasn’t terrorist related… only to reverse that position an hour later.

  919. Tina says:

    Allen west will trigger.

  920. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    936. “That’s well said & consistent with my point about Asian-Americans’ dislike for affirmative action.”

    Agree with you. One reason Asians don’t like affirmative action is that it has been restricting the ability of Asian students to get into universities. It often acts as a “cap” on how many Asians can enroll.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=In+the+Heart+of+%E2%80%9CThe+Resistance%2C%E2%80%9D+California+Conservatives+Are+Invigorated%2C&oq=In+the+Heart+of+%E2%80%9CThe+Resistance%2C%E2%80%9D+California+Conservatives+Are+Invigorated%2C&aqs=chrome..69i57.1454j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

  921. DW says:

    “There is a long tradition in VA of the party that lost the WH the year before winning the VA Governorship.”

    And there were those CO professors in 2012 whose formula was always right about every POTUS election and they picked Romney.

  922. Tina says:

    Jc, what clued them in.

    Sayfullo Saipov from Tampa, FL

    Name, floriduh, hotbead for jihadis? 9/11 hijackers had florida dls

  923. janz says:

    There’re now referring to the Manhattan attack as possibly being a “terrorist” one. Eight dead –wow!

  924. Phil says:

    Never mind. I think I found it. The Washington Post poll out one week before the 2013 election showed McAuliffe up 53-42. Again, he won 47.75 – 45.25.

    That seems to me to be significant when looking at today’s WP Virginia Poll. Just saying…..

  925. Phil says:

    JC, it was no doubt Christian terrorism.

    Must ban vehicles.

  926. mnw says:

    I contributed to West before & would do so again.

  927. DW says:

    949 – I posted all that info further up.

  928. mnw says:

    San Diego 945

    Exactly. You found what I had remembered but was too lazy to look up.

  929. JC says:

    Losing West (because of FL ridiculous gerrymandering) was a great loss to the party. I hope he runs again in the future.

  930. mnw says:

    I hope the WaPo didn’t take a lesson from their humiliation and improve their polling. They probably didn’t.

    The Red Star in Minneapolis never does.

  931. mnw says:

    JC

    Me 2.

  932. DW says:

    956 – some polling isn’t about getting it right, its about spreading hopefulness.

  933. Phil says:

    Just looked at the internal of the WP poll. No party ID noted. It was weighted demographically which probably resulted in proper party ID distribution….or at least that is inferred.

  934. Cash Cow TM says:

    “despicable”

    spiced bale
    ___________________
    “reprehensible”

    rebel sniper, he

  935. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 31, 2017 at 4:03 pm
    Odd that Robbie hasn’t mentioned the John Kelly interview……imagine if Bannon was the one making that interview!

    – Unlike Steve Bannon, I respect John Kelly. That said, I think he should do less talking with the press. Dredging up the Confederate story again was a mistake. Let’s try and have one firestorm at a time.

  936. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 31, 2017 at 4:50 pm
    Robbie, the question was simple. It was not about Trump’s ability to pass tax cuts. It was whether you would like to see tax cuts enacted, even if Trump gets some of the credit. Not hard.

    – You asked if I want to see tax cuts/reform. I wrote yes. Was yes to a yes or no question not enough? Not sure what you issue is other than I wrote something not so nice about Dear Leader.

    And oh by the way, the reason we don’t have Obamacare repeal is Trump, an erratic buffoon, pissed off the very people he needed to win the vote. I think that could happen again because Trump has a unique ability to self destruct.

  937. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    October 31, 2017 at 4:52 pm
    You can tell Monday’s indictments were a dud when CNN tweets out this comment:
    “President Trump says “no collusion” but Senate intel says there’s been no conclusion”
    After an eight month investigation, this is all we have.

    – I guess you believe Mueller showed all of his cards yesterday and we’re done with indictments?

    Just that little detail of the staffer who pleaded guilty and in the statement of facts Mueller admitted the Papadopolous investigation was part of a much larger overall investigation.

    Unless Michael Flynn and his son have already cut deals and are cooperating, they’re going to be indicted soon. Even the very pro-Trump FoxNews judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano (peddler of a discredited spy claim) said today on FoxNews this was just the beginning.

  938. Phil says:

    Trump pissed off people he needed to win to repeal Obamacare.

    …..a certain amount of truth to that. Also true that there were Republicans like Collins and Murkowski who were never going to repeal Obamacare. McCain, no doubt was lost due to Trump’s stupid attack on him. No doubt. That is how McCain rolls. McCain’s vote was the difference on the Graham bill. Stupid of Trump to attack McCain on the campaign trail. Totally unforced and unnecessary.

  939. NYCmike says:

    “Now, I hate that perception, but it exists, and I think Trump is making it far worse.”

    -Din’t Trump get more votes from blacks, Asians and Hispanics than both Romney and McCain?

  940. NYCmike says:

    “And oh by the way, the reason we don’t have Obamacare repeal is Trump, an erratic buffoon, pissed off the very people he needed to win the vote”

    -Incumbents who vote against their constituents wishes because they are mad at TRUMP…..DON’T YOU DARE PRIMARY THEM, THEY ARE LEADERS!

  941. NYCmike says:

    Correction:

    **President** “Trump, an erratic buffoon,”

  942. Phil says:

    Yes, Mike. Exits did show Trump doing better with blacks marginally than both Romney and McCain. Better marginally with Hispanics than Romney and marginally worse than MCCain.

  943. Tina says:

    Muh wire.

  944. lisab says:

    news reporting the terrorists had guns

    and there were gunshots.

    aren’t guns banned in ny city?

  945. lisab says:

    KIM’S DISASTER North Korea nuclear tunnel COLLAPSES ‘killing at least 200 people’ amid fears of a massive radioactive leak

    The collapse happened at the Punggye-ri nuclear test site in the country’s north-east on October 10, according to reports

  946. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    October 31, 2017 at 5:26 pm
    Indictments are returned for the whole WEEK that a federal GJ meets, usually: child pornographers and drug conspiracies and Hobbes Act and Russian zhit and illegal aliens all mixed in together.
    I don’t think the fact that there are sealed indictments filed at the same time as Manafort means anything.

    – That’s interesting to read. Thanks for the info.

  947. Tina says:

    Kims tunnel closed.

  948. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 31, 2017 at 6:22 pm
    Trump pissed off people he needed to win to repeal Obamacare.
    …..a certain amount of truth to that. Also true that there were Republicans like Collins and Murkowski who were never going to repeal Obamacare. McCain, no doubt was lost due to Trump’s stupid attack on him. No doubt. That is how McCain rolls. McCain’s vote was the difference on the Graham bill. Stupid of Trump to attack McCain on the campaign trail. Totally unforced and unnecessary.

    – Which is why I think it’s great he’ll be in Asia at the very time Republicans roll out their plan. Less chance he can say something that blows up the process.

  949. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 31, 2017 at 6:43 pm
    Muh wire.

    – Tina’s been a total fail when it comes to her predictions on the Mueller investigation. She said no one would be indicted. She also said the investigation was wrapping up two months ago.

  950. Tina says:

    Muh wire, muh russia,

    Jebot.

  951. mnw says:

    I wonder if any VA DEMs are thinking: “Since we just had a real ‘truck mows down strangers’ incident in NYC with an Islamic extremist, IS IT REALLY A GOOD IDEA to be running an ad right NIW, showing a supposed Gillespie supporter running people down in a truck? Implying that Islamic murderer (real) = Gillespie murderer (imaginary)?

    Might that not be… inappropriate & especially offensive right NOW?

    Nah! Gillespie is a murderer too! Run ’em, boys!

  952. Wes says:

    West lost because he didn’t take advantage of Murphy’s many weaknesses, JC. Romney actually carried the district, but West narrowly lost to Murphy.

    West was running in a different district from the one he’d beaten Klein in, so redistricting wasn’t the issue.

    When Murphy ran against Rubio, Rubio used first-rate opposition research and flattened him. Republican Brian Mast currently holds the seat.

    That’s not to say the Florida Supreme Court’s partisan, oligarchical redistricting of Florida isn’t a case for concern; however, West lost because of a poor campaign strategy rather than redistricting.

  953. Wes says:

    That is why I think Gillespie will win, Mnw. The American is completely unhinged and feels anything it forcefeeds the public will be an electoral boon.

    I seem to recall similar situations in 2002 and 2004.

  954. mnw says:

    As usual, the British tabloids have faster, better coverage of the terror attack than any of the MSM here.

  955. Tina says:

    The roper is ffrom uzbekistan.

  956. hugh says:

    Robbie. Andrew Napolitano has been very negative for months on the Mueller investigation. In fact I am surprised he is not on MSNBC. Perhaps he is overcompensating for his discredited statements. Who knows? I do think this will drag on and there will be lots of indictments over lots of stuff that has nothing to do with Russian collusion which best I can tell listening to various legal experts is not a crime. I think the dems will get there fair share of problems. However, if the whole goal is to slow down an administration, which I think it is, its working. The left has a huge media advantage and it helps to cloak their hypocrisy. the worst part of all this is that civility is being destroyed. And it is from the left. 70% of Hillary voters find it hard be friends with trump voters. About 34% of trump voters find it hard to be friends with Hillary voters. I think that says it all.

  957. mnw says:

    Surely there will now be some quiet pressure from DEMs on LatinoVictory (Soriano) to… take down that ad?

    (PLEASE don’t kneel during the National Anthem, fellas! You’re hurting US)

  958. hugh says:

    West was running in my district in Broward. The district was changed from the prior election which definitely hurt him. He ran a good campaign with some very good ads. I was not aware that Romney won my district. It surprises me, but I am sure mnw is right if he said it.

  959. Wes says:

    For those wondering sbout how VA-Gov has gone since the Old Dominion began electing Republican Governors, here is the breakdown:

    1969-R
    1973-R
    1977-R
    1981-D
    1985-D
    1989-D
    1993-R
    1997-R
    2001-D
    2005-D
    2009-R
    2013-D

    From 1977 to 2009, it always voted counter to the previous presidential result. In 1969, 1973, and 2013, however, it followed the presidential result.

    Thus, while long, its tradition of voting against the President seems to have never been an unalterable rule of VA gubernatorial politics.

  960. mnw says:

    LatinoVictory (Soros)

  961. mnw says:

    hugh

    I dunno. I think Wes said that.

  962. hugh says:

    My Irish are now third in the CFP. It has been a sorry couple years but we are back.

  963. mnw says:

    I question whether portraying Ed (RNC) Gillespie as the second coming of Lester Maddox will work out very well for them.

  964. Wes says:

    Romney beat Obama 51.7-47.6 in the district in 2012, Hugh.

  965. mnw says:

    I posted this afternoon that I thought there was a Muslim woman among the soon-to-be-victims of the Ed Gillespie truck driver.

    That has been confirmed. I didn’t imagine that.

    Liberal murder fantasy vs. real Islamic terror attack… and on the same day.

  966. Wes says:

    I agree, Mnw. Unlike George Allen after the infamous macaca incident, Gillespie doesn’t feed into the Dem stereotype of every Republican as a racist pig.

    Attacks like these work best when voters can genuinely imagine the candidate as being like the caricature.

    Gillespie doesn’t give off that aura.

  967. mnw says:

    Wes

    I think that’s right. If the voters can’t see even a glimmer of truth in the caricature… could be… counterproductive.

  968. lisab says:

    “However, if the whole goal is to slow down an administration, which I think it is, its working. ”

    it really is not working.

    in fact, the administration is getting a lot of stuff done BECAUSE the media is focused on russia.

    the agencies are running along with almost no interference

  969. Bitterlaw says:

    The state of the Tina – Robbie Debate so far:

    If President Trump held a press conference and stated that he colluded with the Russians, rigged voting machines and presented statements showing every payment to the Rusdians, Tina would declare it was fake news and no problem.

    If Mueller, Putin, Hillary, Rachel Maddow and God all said that there was no collusion between Trump and Russia, Robbie would declare it fake news and report on a source in Rachel Maddox’s favorite restaurant.

  970. Bitterlaw says:

    Maddow, not Maddox.

  971. Tina says:

    The state of bitterlaw.

    I beleive my fellow pa friends that hate trump.

    I have no clue about the matter.

  972. hugh says:

    Wes. thanks. I am very surprised Romney did better than West.

  973. Bitterlaw says:

    M

  974. Diamond Jim says:

    M

  975. Bitterlaw says:

    DaMn

  976. mnw says:

    BL

    The segregationist governor with the ax handles was Lester MADDOX. The Cards’ new pitching coach is John MADDOX. The leftwing lesbian nitwit is Rachel MADDOW.

  977. Bitterlaw says:

    I have friends who hate Trump. I have friends who love Trump. I do not have any friends who thought that Mueller’s investigation was wrapping up a week before the indictment came down. That distinction goes to Tina, I will wait until the end of the matter to judge it.

  978. mnw says:

    pitching coach = Mike Maddox

    Happy Halloween, btw

  979. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw – Autocorrect is nobody’s friend.

  980. Trump says:

    The moron Bitterlaw will live in fantasy world, imaging delusional scenarios of x and y happening.

    Congenital haters like him have trouble with reality.

  981. Tina says:

    Bl, lie like rottie, i said that there were reports of it nearing the end.

    Nice tey, bit no need to lie, rottielaw.

  982. hugh says:

    I for one appreciate Tina’s optimism. In the end, the result will be Trump will be charged with nothing. I hope lisab is right. However, to me it seems everything Trump is accomplishing is through executive order and public opinion means nothing as it relates to that. Particularly since trump seems to care less about how people will perceive what he does.

  983. Trump says:

    The moron does not realize that he should shut up when he has nothing to say.

  984. Tina says:

    Bl did not even know what mueller is investigating or the significance of the russian dossier.

  985. Trump says:

    Trump is doing what he was elected to do.

    Unlike the lying corrupt cra*weasels in Congress.

    That is how you get Trump.

  986. Redmen4ever says:

    VA 2013: RCP pre-election polling average: McAuliffe by 6.0; Result: McAuliffe by 2.5

    VA 2017: RCP current polling average: Northam by 3.6

  987. Bitterlaw says:

    1010 Not true, Tina. I just don’t post about it 23 1/2 hours a day.

    As for Trump Guru, my point was that Tina and Robbie have staked out absolute, unyielding positions. I did not predict that either scenario would occur.

  988. Bitterlaw says:

    Other than typing “moron” a few dozen times a day, Trump Guru adds nothing here.

  989. lisab says:

    i dont think it is fair that the terrorists only run people down in cities

    nyc voted for hillary by a large margin

    they should attack rural america

  990. Trump says:

    The moron has not had a thought in 10 years.

    Other than delusions of x and y scenarios.

    You need some basic level of intelligence to have thoughts.

  991. Trump says:

    “House GOP delays tax bill rollout”

    Keep fu ck ing up, losers.

  992. Tina says:

    Well, i predictired charges unrelated to the russian hoax. So, in manaforts case, a tax matter.

    As i wrote, if you break a law, you need to do time.

  993. Tina says:

    They had ryano go around and want to do away with state tax deduxtion, real estate mortgage, etc.

    Ryano is phuqio g up as usual.

    Guy is a failure.

  994. Trump says:

    The losers are heavily invested in a Trump indictment.

    Even though the losers cannot define what collusion means, and where in US penal code is collusion mentioned.

    That’s the unmitigated hate coming out.

  995. mnw says:

    JUST BREAKING:

    The LatinoVictory Fund has just announced that it’s pulling its ‘truck murder’ ad, “in light of recent events.”

  996. lisab says:

    you mean the gop voters are mot running people over?

  997. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1015 “i don’t think it is fair that the terrorists only run people down in cities nyc voted for hillary by a large margin they should attack rural america.”

    Yes, but people in rural areas often shoot back, and are usually have better aim than the terrorists. At heart all Jihadist terrorists are cowards, which is why they target women and children, and locations were guns are banned.

  998. Wes says:

    No, Lisa. It’s more likely some Muslims upset at being called terrorists,

  999. Trump says:

    not today

  1000. Trump says:

    1026 was for 1023.

    The bigger story is the backlash against muslims tomorrow. that’s what you should worry about.

  1001. mnw says:

    I was hoping that the Gillespie people would have more time to use the reaction to that ad to their advantage.

  1002. Trump says:

    ‘ALLAHU AKBAR’
    NOTE: KILLED FOR ISIS

    We may never know his motive.

  1003. lisab says:

    well i am sure everyone is concerned about muh rissia and mueller today

  1004. Bitterlaw says:

    I just checked the channels:

    Fox – ISIS note by terrorist

    CNN – ISIS note by terrorist

    MSNBC – Indictment of Manafort.

  1005. lisab says:

    well then we know which channel cg and robbie are watching

  1006. Tina says:

    They have thrills up their legs, lisa

  1007. lisab says:

    you know you are losing when even cnn is talking about terrorism

  1008. Tina says:

    An amnesty bill will now not pass.

    Border security, wall, etting of illegals, etc.

    Has to s open borders disgrace.

  1009. Bitterlaw says:

    If CNN wanted to actually report news, I think it has the best staff to do so.

  1010. lisab says:

    cnn makes the best news

  1011. Tina says:

    Terrorist came through the diversity program of the 90s, headed by schusmah.

  1012. Tina says:

    But dailymail the best newspaper.

  1013. Bitterlaw says:

    Schumer? The Senator that received donations from non-partisan Donald Trump?

  1014. DW says:

    So they pulled the ad? Still, the ad was out there, so trying to take it back now is like trying to un-spill the glass of milk.

  1015. mnw says:

    DW

    They pulled it indeed.

  1016. mnw says:

    Looks to me like the Dodgers are over-managing again, as they are won’t to do of late. Why take Morrow out when he looks that strong & has thrown 14 pitches?

  1017. Proud Obamacon says:

    Orange Man’s tweet: “The biggest story yesterday, the one that has the Dems in a dither, is Podesta running from his firm. What he know about Crooked Dems is…. ….earth shattering. He and his brother could Drain The Swamp, which would be yet another campaign promise fulfilled. Fake News weak!”

    Say wha? WOW, I’m speechless. Now I’m beginning to think he really does have alzheimer’s or something. Damn WTF!

  1018. Proud Obamacon says:

    Checking channels…

    CNN: Tragic day
    MSNBC: Terrorism in NY
    FOX: Obama’s fault

    I kid you not. Pathetic.

  1019. mnw says:

    Murderer got into U.S. under the “Diversity Visa Lottery Program.” Of course.

  1020. Paul says:

    Trump is to blame.

  1021. Tina says:

    Schumah, clinton.

  1022. Paul says:

    Trump is a damn racist fool. Everything is his fault suckahs.

  1023. jason says:

    Paul is a stupid ignorant troll.

  1024. jason says:

    CNN: Tragic day
    MSNBC: Terrorism in NY

    CNN and MSNBC admitted there is such a thing as Islamic Terrorism?

    Or did they say it was “militants” having a bad day?

  1025. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON is upset his dream of socialist utopia was delayed by Trump.

    But the real blow was the demise of the USSR.

  1026. Hugh says:

    1045. Fox is right again

  1027. jason says:

    It looks like 5 of the 8 dead are Argentine tourists and one is a Belgian citizen.

  1028. jason says:

    I’m beginning to think he really does have alzheimer’s or something.”

    LOL

    ObamaCON is worried about Trump, when Pelosi has been talking gibberish for months.

    Did he say anything when Obama said there were 57 states?

  1029. jason says:

    I thought Proud ObamaCON had dementia when he said Hillary had Arizona locked up and was now “fighting for Texas”.

  1030. jason says:

    “It really is not working.

    in fact, the administration is getting a lot of stuff done BECAUSE the media is focused on russia.

    the agencies are running along with almost no interference”

    I hadn’t thought of this but lisab may have a point….

  1031. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Sign at a Fullerton protest against Yiannopoulous.

    “Cops and the Klan go hand in hand.

  1032. NYCmike says:

    “I hadn’t thought of this but lisab may have a point….”

    -Several people have said this over the last 8 months.

    I also said it was a good reason why Robbie is so wrong about Congress….they could have passed the MOST CONSERVATIVE LEGISLATION possible, and the media would have been made to make a tough choice…….endless stories on “muh Russia”, or stories about the homeless being kicked to the curb and children, the elderly, and immigrants starving, being persecuted, and being “disappeared”…..or some such nonsense.

    ODD that Congress didn’t take advantage of those distractions….of course, Trump was calling them names, or tweeting, or some such nonsense that Robbie and “CG” would say they COULD NOT ignore.

  1033. Todd McCain says:

    WAPO:

    Northam 49

    G 44

    G caught up significantly from their last poll.

  1034. Tina says:

    Is there any muh wire news re muh russian today?

  1035. Tina says:

    Thst is a nice pick up, todd.

  1036. Trump says:

    “I hadn’t thought of this but lisab may have a point….”

    Even rabid leftists are catching on.

    TIME cover – How Trump’s Cabinet is Dismantling Government as We Know It

    “While Trump Is Tweeting, These 3 People Are Undoing American Government as We Know It”

    http://time.com/4998276/demolition-crew/?xid=homepage&pcd=hp-magmod

    The only ones that are oblivious are the Perpetual Haters.

  1037. DW says:

    Economist/You Gov

    Generic ballot:

    GOP 36
    Dem 39

  1038. Tina says:

    We were down 15.

    Jebot went loony.

  1039. mnw says:

    AZ Sen GOP primary poll, from Orbital Digital, posted today at RRH:

    Ward 28
    McSally 19
    Salmon 10

  1040. mnw says:

    YouGov is online only, right?

  1041. Tina says:

    Fbi had monitored the lone wolf jihadis mosque since 2005.

    Fbi has gone down hill as an agency, one of the effects post Comedy.

  1042. Tina says:

    Effect of comedy and his corruption

  1043. Tina says:

    NEW: LATEST: Manhattan terror suspect Sayfullo Saipov was an “associate” of another suspected terrorist under investigation: ABC News pic.twitter.com/xYCskYgNC6

    Breaking

  1044. Tina says:

    BREAKING: NYC suspect was interviewed in 2015 by federal agents after being listed as point of contact for two men on counterterrorism list. pic.twitter.com/HvAZUUqAD4

    It appears that the fbi dropped the ball on this one.

  1045. Tina says:

    .@LindseyGrahamSC on Diversity Visa Program: “It makes no sense to hand out visas and green cards this way. We want merit-based immigration”
    6:03 AM – Nov 1, 2017

    Diversity lottery program needs to end. The jebots are sad.

  1046. mnw says:

    By this time, this isbposted everywhere, but just in case:

    The Islamist murderer in NYC entered the U.S. legally under the “Diversity Visa Lottery Program,” of which Schumer was the principal sponsor.

    Trump and NumbersUSA have long wanted to abolish that program, since WAY before yesterday’s mass murders.

  1047. Wobbles says:

    Can we get back to talking about the Papa wire?

    Thanks.

  1048. Trump says:

    FBI’s job is to protect the Obama/Clinton Crime Syndicate.

  1049. Wobbles says:

    Economist/You Gov

    Generic ballot:

    GOP 36
    Dem 39″

    Trash it. If the GOP is not 15 pts down, it doesn’t fit my narrative.

    Now about that wire….

  1050. Tina says:

    Flakey, arizona rino, says trump is lying about the diversity porgram.

    Glad that flkey is retiring. Flakey says schumah did away with it, but flakey is wrong. It still exists

    https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/immigrate/diversity-visa/entry.html

  1051. jason says:

    Really? Time and a place, people.”

    Jealous, huh?

  1052. Tina says:

    Uh flakey

    Section 203(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provides for a class of immigrants known as “diversity immigrants,” from countries with historically low rates of immigration to the United States. A limited number of visas are available each fiscal year. The DVs are distributed among six geographic regions and no single country may receive more than seven percent of the available DVs in any one year.

    For a list of countries/areas by region whose natives are eligible for DV-2019 and DV-2018, please refer to the DV Instructions.

    The requirements for the DV program are established by U.S. immigration law. If you are planning to register for the DV program, be sure to look closely at the requirements for this type of visa.

    Note: There is no cost to register for the DV Program.

  1053. jason says:

    -My fellow NYC denizens are a “thick” bunch!”‘

    Is that your excuse, too much exposure?

  1054. Tina says:

    Flakey, arizona incompetent, is getting slammed on twitter.

  1055. jason says:

    In principle I am not against the diversity visas. But the people who apply for it need to have strict vetting, which obviously is not being done.

  1056. jason says:

    I don’t think Flake is as flakey as Ward, just saying….

  1057. Tina says:

    The jebots will say, see trump added lottery in his tweet about schumah. While the porgram name does not have that word.

    Again, the program is based on a lottery, not merit.

  1058. Trump says:

    Why does the US need a “diversity visa program”?

    What national interest is served?

  1059. Tina says:

    I do not support her. Dewitt or the az gov as replace,emts for flakey. Tough seat to keep tnough.

  1060. Trump says:

    The only practical effect of the antics of Flake and his ilk (Corker et al) is that it makes life difficult for “establishment”-labeled cra*weasels.

  1061. Trump says:

    “Tax Bill Delay Deals GOP Setback Even Before ‘Hell Breaks Loose’…”

    Setback even before starting?

    Who didn’t expect this?

  1062. Trump says:

    Never underestimate the GOP ability to fu ck itself.

  1063. jason says:

    WAPO:

    Northam 49

    G 44

    G caught up significantly from their last poll.”

    Interesting. Considering its the WAPO, its probably closer to 3 than 5.

    Unfortunately the deadender is probably getting half of the 7% that is missing in the poll.

  1064. mnw says:

    Flake was always a disaster on immigration. He was one of McCain’s 2013 “Gang of 8,” as was Heller in NV, who also trails his primary opponent.

  1065. DW says:

    “Why does the US need a “diversity visa program”?”

    Because of messed up political correctness handcuffing our future.

    I mean when PC police ban Looney Tunes because sometimes Bugs Bunny interacts with a Chinese character who runs a laundromat, or when there is a black maid, or any other sort of things, the left comes unglued over it.

    I don’t recall them ever asking to ban all of the Yosemite Sam episodes because he is a stereotype of mean angry white men, who always shouts at everyone.

  1066. jason says:

    Wobbie and CG are AWOL today.

    Probably bummed out the Papa wire story is getting less coverage today.

    And probably the fact it was the WH that provided the information that caused him to be charged does not fit the narrative either.

    But hey, there is still that sinister Trump Jr. meeting with the “Russian lawyer”. Surely Trump Jr. must have promised some uranium to the Russians in that meeting… oh wait..

  1067. Robbie says:

    Rand Paul has endorsed Chemtrail Kelli Ward.

    SEND A MESSAGE!

  1068. NYCmike says:

    .@LindseyGrahamSC on Diversity Visa Program: “It makes no sense to hand out visas and green cards this way. We want merit-based immigration”
    6:03 AM – Nov 1, 2017

    -Bitterlaw, jason, ALL of the other nay-sayers –

    TOO BAD there is NOT ready-to-go legislation that includes this type of policy change…..

  1069. NYCmike says:

    Hammer Time!

  1070. jason says:

    Rand Paul has endorsed Chemtrail Kelli Ward.”

    Deadenders stick together, you have to give them that.

  1071. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 1, 2017 at 10:56 am
    Wobbie and CG are AWOL today.

    – Nothing funnier than watching HHR’s biggest fraud puff his chest out in defense of Trump, a guy he ripped every day of the campaign until he won with a R next to his name.

  1072. Phil says:

    You people are worried about the diversity lottery? We have much bigger problems. We have confederate pickups trying to run over minority children in Virginia.

    Try to keep your eye on the ball.

  1073. Phil says:

    You people are worried about the diversity lottery? We have much bigger problems. We have confederate pickups trying to run over minority children in Virginia.

    Try to keep your eye on the ball.

  1074. NYCmike says:

    DW,

    I was wondering if you had an opinion on the Cotton-Perdue initiative that is stalled on McConnell’s secretary’s desk at home?

  1075. jason says:

    It looks like the immigration deadenders are going to pull a page of the old Rahm Emanuel playbook “don’t let any crisis go to waste” to take the opportunity to attack legal immigration, a cornerstone of our nation.

    It won’t work, just like the Cotton/Perdue fake legislation didn’t work.

    A vast percentage of Americans support legal immigration, and a vast percentage of the House and Senate on both sides supports it also.

    So good luck.

  1076. NYCmike says:

    “In principle I am not against the diversity visas.”

    -In principle, I agree more with Milton Friedman about open borders than I do with Trump.

    But political and economical reality says principle needs to take a back seat to common sense at this time in history.

  1077. jason says:

    ‘and an opinion on the Cotton-Perdue initiative that is stalled”

    Stalled? LOL

    Hopefully its buried forever.

  1078. Robbie says:

    Never in my time at HHR would I have expected Jason, the biggest fraud here, to fall for the spin coming from Governor Cornpone’s daughter that the White House actually ratted out Papdopolous. LOL!

    The White House didn’t proactively rat on Papadolpolous. They were forced to turn over the documents by the FBI and Mueller’s team.

    It will be interesting to see if Jason starts pimping Mark Levin’s views on Mueller since they seem to be in perfect harmony about him. I also can’t wait to see how Jason reacts when the next round of indictments come. And believe me, they’re coming. Mike Flynn and his son have either cut deals or they’ll be indicted.

  1079. Phil says:

    This site is full of crackers and skinheads. Most of you seem to care little for the minority children who are in danger of being covered with pickup tire tracks.

    Sad. For God’s sake, save the children.

  1080. NYCmike says:

    Cotton-Perdue, if I recall correctly, would admit half a million (500,000) new immigrants a year (Bitterlaw and jason have both mentioned repeatedly it would be half the rate we have now, which is a million+).

    A VAST % of Americans would support that number, along with the other, more important security measures, and the items like chain migration and unlimited welfare which would be done away with.

  1081. jason says:

    until he won with a R next to his name.”

    LOL

    I guess you can show me a post where I ever said Trump is a Republican, right?

    Let’s see it.

  1082. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 1, 2017 at 11:06 am
    You people are worried about the diversity lottery? We have much bigger problems. We have confederate pickups trying to run over minority children in Virginia.
    Try to keep your eye on the ball.

    – Honest question. Why is not ok to talk about gun restrictions in the immediate aftermath of a mass shooting, but it is ok for Trump and right wing radio hosts to talk about immigration reform in the immediate aftermath of this attack?

  1083. NYCmike says:

    ” And believe me, they’re coming.”

    -I have all 10 fingers and 10 toes crossed!

  1084. jason says:

    a guy he ripped every day of the campaign”

    Right. I did.

    But the campaign is over.

    Only you haven’t noticed.

  1085. NYCmike says:

    ” Why is not ok to talk about gun restrictions in the immediate aftermath of a mass shooting, but it is ok for Trump and right wing radio hosts to talk about immigration reform in the immediate aftermath of this attack?”

    -Honest, but silly, question.

    If the perp doesn’t have a gun, they use a knife, or a vehicle, or a bomb, or a plan, or some other item made into a weapon.

    If the immigrant is NOT HERE, he can’t be a perp.

  1086. jason says:

    Honest question. Why is not ok to talk about gun restrictions in the immediate aftermath of a mass shooting, but it is ok for Trump and right wing radio hosts to talk about immigration reform in the immediate aftermath of this attack?”

    See post 1107.

    GFY.

  1087. NYCmike says:

    “I guess you can show me a post where I ever said Trump is a Republican, right?”

    -That (R) means nothing, but the (I) next to jason’s name definitely stands for (I make sh*t up as I go along).

  1088. Phil says:

    It’s not, Robbie. Let everyone in who wants to come. No screaning. Nothing. Let’s let in the whole world.

    I’ve seen the light. Diversity baby!

  1089. jason says:

    Mike Flynn and his son have either cut deals or they’ll be indicted.”

    Zzzzzzzz….

    For not declaring foreign money earned or something like that?

    How about we make a bet right now, that IF Flynn is indicted it will have NOTHING to do with collusion by Trump’s campaign with the Russians.

    $1000 to the York ASPCA dogs or $1000 to a charity of your choice.

    Deal?

  1090. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 1, 2017 at 11:15 am
    a guy he ripped every day of the campaign”
    Right. I did.
    But the campaign is over.
    Only you haven’t noticed.

    – When the campaign ended in 2008 and 2012, did you stop ripping Obama?

    When Trump, Hannity, much of right wing radio, and FoxNews falsely claimed Obama was not born in America, did you defend him by noting the election was over and this was an attempt to overturn a fair election as you have with those of us who oppose Trump?

  1091. NYCmike says:

    Cotton-Perdue admits in at least 500,000 people a year, and that number would be negotiable, like in any other bill written by a person in Congress.

    Of course, the more important elements, merit-based immigration with NO CHAIN MIGRATION and no unlimited welfare would also be popular with the majority of Republicans.

  1092. NYCmike says:

    “falsely claimed Obama was not born in America”

    -Robbie is so “conservative” he must defend Obama against past attacks.

  1093. Phil says:

    Yeah, Jason. How dare you not defend Obama 2008 to 2016.

  1094. Walt says:

    VA races for governor, Lt. Gov, AG…
    **************************************
    OK
    Being in the TV viewing area of NOVA I am sick of seeing all the negative ads about the various VA races and will be thrilled when this election is put to sleep.

    My take is that in this close race, the libertarian idiot will siphon enough votes from Gillespie that Northam will be the winner but will be under 50%.

    For the Lt. Gov. race I have met Jill Vogel and was impressed by her and I hope she wins, but doubt she will.

    The article below has lots of detail to fisk…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/a-week-before-election-day-new-poll-finds-tightening-race-for-va-governor/2017/10/31/61190912-bd7d-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.2c0d8e238a25

  1095. Chicon says:

    1099 – if only the members of Congress were allowed (and able) to write such a law… The Transactional President would sign it.

    As we know, the Executive Branch is the branch of the US government that initiates legislation.

  1096. NYCmike says:

    Lindsey Graham – merit-based immigration.

    Phone rings…..”Good afternoon, Senator Graham’s office.”

    Other line: “Good afternoon, Senator Cotton and Senator Perdue on the line, we will gladly add Graham (cracker) to the legislation name if we can count on you to help us, along with the “liberal Democrat” Republican President Trump”.

  1097. NYCmike says:

    “As we know, the Executive Branch is the branch of the US government that initiates legislation.”

    -I just learned this, at a class that “CG” helped put together called “Civics 101 by Hillary Supporters”.

  1098. Tina says:

    Is goober running for re election?

    Is he now pro border enforcement?
    Lol

  1099. NYCmike says:

    I wonder if jason will go FULL-Robbie/”CG”, and start hoping that a bill like Cotton-Perdue is defeated by a McCain/Flake/Corker-type.

    Politically, it would be great to make the Democratic Senators up for election have to vote Yay or Nay on such a bill.

  1100. Tina says:

    If the president were forced to give up those documents, did he litigate it and if so links?

    None exist, the paper ork was given in close cooperation between president and mueller.

    They are working closely.

  1101. Tina says:

    I think flaky should not have challenged the president on this.

    If flakey were concerned about the lottery, he could have sponsored repeal of it?

    But he chose to be an unpopular back bencher with 18 percent approval.

    Gang of 8 is the kiss of death for many rs.

  1102. Phil says:

    Can you be for repealing that fool diversity lottery program without being labeled “anti immigrant” or is that what it’s come to now?

  1103. Walt says:

    17
    OCTOBER 30, 2017
    Governors’ seats that political experts predict are vulnerable to being flipped next year, which is almost twice as many as predicted in January. Of those, 12 are held by Republicans and five by Democrats.
    Source: Governing

  1104. Tina says:

    I am surprised that the gang of 8 idiots snoockere hush limbough into a meeting

  1105. jason says:

    When the campaign ended in 2008 and 2012, did you stop ripping Obama?”

    LOL

    No, because nothing he ever did was in the interest of the country IMO.

    There is plenty Trump is doing that I can support, among them judicial appts, deregulation, taxes, energy independence, border security, rebuilding the military, etc.

    Are you really that small minded and stupid that you don’t see any difference between Obama and Trump?

  1106. Tina says:

    President Obama at the #ObamaSummit in Chicago: “This isn’t where I was born. I was born in Kenya.”
    2:47 PM – Oct 31, 2017

    Wtf, is this true?

  1107. Trump says:

    Meanwhile, just keeping record of Cruising to Re-election v MDCLXXI:

    “US private sector added 235,000 jobs in Oct, vs 200,000 new jobs expected: ADP”

  1108. NYCmike says:

    “Can you be for repealing that fool diversity lottery program without being labeled “anti immigrant” or is that what it’s come to now?”

    -jason? Bitterlaw?

  1109. Tina says:

    Turns out to be a joke. Idiots inssiting he was born elsewhere.

  1110. Trump says:

    The Diversity Visa Lottery Program is who we are as a country.

    I have been assured.

  1111. NYCmike says:

    Robbie: “When Trump, Hannity, much of right wing radio, and FoxNews falsely claimed Obama was not born in America…..

    President Obama at the #ObamaSummit in Chicago: “This isn’t where I was born. I was born in Kenya.”
    2:47 PM – Oct 31, 2017**

    **Pending verification.

  1112. jason says:

    When Trump, Hannity, much of right wing radio, and FoxNews falsely claimed Obama was not born in America, did you defend him by noting the election was over and this was an attempt to overturn a fair election as you have with those of us who oppose Trump?”

    Actually, no, I didn’t defend Trump and Hannity on the birther issue. Frankly I didn’t care about what they thought either, to me at the time Trump was an eccentric businessman and Hannity a blowhard.

    Not to say I didn’t find Obama’s reluctance to release the “long form” or whatever its called suspicious, but I thought it was because it has something embarrassing in it, not that it was fake.

    GFY.

  1113. NYCmike says:

    “**Pending verification.”

    “Turns out to be a joke.”

    That would have been very funny!

  1114. Tina says:

    Obama told it, the first joke I laughed at that he told.

    Not a funny president.

  1115. jason says:

    “Can you be for repealing that fool diversity lottery program without being labeled “anti immigrant” or is that what it’s come to now?”

    -jason? Bitterlaw?”

    I am for extreme vetting of all legal immigrants and for granting of visitor visas.

    I do think immigration deadenders are going to try to take advantage of the situation to attack legal immigration, and Wobbie is correct to point out that is exactly what the Dems do when there is a mass shooting.

  1116. NYCmike says:

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/31/news/economy/california-cannabis-tax-fitch/index.html?sr=twCNN103117economy1155PMStory

    -Since Republicans could not stop drug legalization, they might as well get the druggies on their side by saying they will tax it at a lower rate than the Democrats.

  1117. Bitterlaw says:

    Good thing that there was no merit based immigration plan when NYC’s family came over.

    NYC – I am willing to consider ANY immigration plan. I am not willing to drop the number of legal immigrants by even one person. It is not negotiable for me. If you want to keep hammering away at that one point, go for it.

  1118. Tina says:

    Donald Trump Jr. ? @DonaldJTrumpJr
    Still waiting for liberal calls for immigration bans/reform like they do every time there’s a gun attack. Maybe hungover from Halloween?
    4:59 AM – Nov 1, 2017

  1119. Tina says:

    Daca needs to be tossed.

    The children are no longer children.

    Welfare is high as a geoup

    None vetted.

  1120. Tina says:

    Daca is illegal since it was an eo, notlaw imple,emted by the congrss.

  1121. jason says:

    I wonder if jason will go FULL-Robbie/”CG”, and start hoping that a bill like Cotton-Perdue is defeated by a McCain/Flake/Corker-type.”

    I hope it gets defeated by anyone who has half a brain.

    Cotton Perdue is BS, just a blatant, stupid, and idiotic attack on legal immigration.

    I hope it gets relegated to the trash heap of bad legislation where it belongs.

  1122. jason says:

    am not willing to drop the number of legal immigrants by even one person. It is not negotiable for me. If you want to keep hammering away at that one point, go for it.”

    Exactly.

    A 50% cut in legal immigration is a non-starter. Cotton Perdue know its a non-starter, will NEVER pass.

    But NYC can keep pretending its serious legislation. SEND A MESSAGE.

  1123. Tina says:

    http://thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/entire-trump-russia-collusion-investigation-farce-not-based-us-law/

    Could be away for anyone charged to question the legitimacy of mueller.

    Good defense lawyer will argue it

  1124. Trump says:

    Mueller couldn’t find “collusion” (whatever that means) against Manafort, who dealt regularly with Russians./Ukrainians.

    That is why he charged money laundering and failure to file paperwork.

    There is no US penal code addressing “collusion” (whatever that means).

  1125. Trump says:

    But don’t tell the stupid morons. Their dreams would be dashed.

  1126. Tina says:

    Yeah collusion only applies to anti trust, monopoly, biz laws.

  1127. jason says:

    Yep, what is collusion exactly.

    If Donald Jr. agreed to accept “dirt” on Hillary from a Russian lawyer, is that “collusion”, if the dirt really exists? Or would he have to make a deal with her to fabricate dirt on Hillary?

    When Hillary pays a foreign agent like Steele to dig up dirt on Trump, and Steele pays Russians to come up with the information, is that collusion?

  1128. Trump says:

    Now, I am not saying that the fu ck ed up US legal system cannot find “collusion” somewhere in the various “penumbras and emanations” of the Constitution.

  1129. Bitterlaw says:

    Please stop complaining about Schumer. He is one of Trump’s favorite Senators. Trump paid to help keep him in office.

  1130. jason says:

    Luckily for him he didn’t see it while riding his bike yesterday…..

  1131. Phil says:

    Good one, Jason.

  1132. jason says:

    Good thing that there was no merit based immigration plan when NYC’s family came over.”

    LOL

  1133. Chicon says:

    Two thoughts on Trump’s tweet this morning. He shouldn’t have used the opportunity to talk about immigration – a waiting period would be a good idea.

    Second, I did chuckle out loud at “a Chuck Shumer special”.

  1134. New York City says:

    Please stop complaining about Schumer. He is one of Trump’s favorite Senators. Trump paid to help keep him in office.”

    That was, what, eons ago? 2010? Trump was a young man, not even 63 years old then.

    He has evolved since then over the decad, huh, years.

  1135. jason says:

    a waiting period would be a good idea.”

    I am not sure Trump is big on waiting periods when it comes to tweets.

  1136. Chicon says:

    Jason, there is no crime called collusion. Crimes would involve money laundering, failure to register as a foreign agent, wire fraud, etc. There may be a specific law regarding the payment of foreigners for campaign dirt.

  1137. Tina says:

    DId he have goober, mccain, and flakey on his bike bundled up?

  1138. Chicon says:

    1168 – certainly not. Just my thought. How he does things often bug me, but I’m often in agreement with the content.

  1139. Tina says:

    Notice how the jebots are no longer touting papa.

    And, if there were a big fight over the turning over of documents about papa, it would have been known.

  1140. Phil says:

    Muslims to pass Jews in number in US.

    Good. Send more Muslims.

    Worked well in Britain.

  1141. Tina says:

    So, we know that the wh gave those documents to papa.

    Supports trumps lawyah saying that that they work closley with the sp, paraphrasing.

  1142. Tina says:

    But, but, but, he wore a wire.

    Muh wire.

    Jebot

  1143. Tina says:

    On that article, craig Jarrett raises some interesting lelgal points about the sp.

    The sp was brought about on illegal grounds, a leak from comedy.

  1144. Tina says:

    I am also laughing.

    Why would trump meet with mueller about the fbi position the day before the sp.

    Mueller could not serve again.

    It is only for one, 10 year term. While he was extended for 2years, he could not be appointed to a new, 10 year term.

  1145. NYCmike says:

    ” It is not negotiable for me. If you want to keep hammering away at that one point, go for it.”

    -Heh.

    “Deadender”?

    So, if Cotton-Perdue legislation goes thru, with legal immigration numbers at 900,000 (down from 1 million+), with all of its other points, you would vote AGAINST that?

  1146. NYCmike says:

    “Cotton Perdue is BS, just a blatant, stupid, and idiotic attack on legal immigration. ”

    -Ok, my suspicions were correct.

    jason HAS NOT looked at the legislation.

  1147. jason says:

    So, if Cotton-Perdue legislation goes thru, with legal immigration numbers at 900,000 (down from 1 million+), with all of its other points, you would vote AGAINST that?”

    No. I am not in favor of any cuts in LEGAL immigration.

    Let’s tackle ILLEGAL immmigration.

  1148. Tina says:

    https://t.co/mc7VGQvRRb

    Donations to,gillepsi rise in response to that negative ad that. Was pulled.

  1149. jason says:

    jason HAS NOT looked at the legislation.”

    Actually, I have, but only NYC eats an entire sh-t sandwich after taking the first bite.

    A 50% cut in LEGAL immigration is a non-starter. Period. Doesn’t even matter what’s in the rest of it, a 50% cut in legal immigration is not going to pass.

  1150. jason says:

    How he does things often bug me, but I’m often in agreement with the content.”

    He is right, the Dems certainly do politicize gun attacks right off the bat.

  1151. NYCmike says:

    “Good thing that there was no merit based immigration plan when NYC’s family came over.””

    -This is funny!

    When my family came (early 20’s, if memory serves me), they were sponsored, they had jobs lined up, they had a place to live, and were given ZERO government benefits.

    AND, if the records that my friend found from me are correct, they went into specific industries (low-skilled, mainly) that actually NEEDED people at that particular time.

    So, under common-sense immigration policy (aka Cotton-Perdue), YES, they would have been admitted
    to this wonderful land of opportunity.

    Bitterlaw, jason,

    Any other sophomoric statements that I need to set straight?

  1152. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC was so hurt by being labeled a Deadender that he keeps trying to change the definition.

    Reducing legal immigration is a deal breaker for me. Deal with it.

  1153. jason says:

    I have said from the beginning that Cotton Perdue was fake legislation destined to go nowhere.

    It has gone nowhere.

    NYC is still pretending it will however.

  1154. NYCmike says:

    “Doesn’t even matter what’s in the rest of it, a 50% cut in legal immigration is not going to pass.”

    -How many times must it be written?

    I would just about wage my whole fortune on the fact that the levels of immigration is a negotiable item.

    Why does jason and Bitterlaw refuse to acknowledge that?

    There is always compromise in any legislation.

  1155. jason says:

    “under common-sense immigration policy (aka Cotton-Perdue),”

    LOL

    Common sense?

    I love it here.

  1156. Bitterlaw says:

    The 1920’s? I have ancestors who were here before the Revolution. Other ancestors were here before 1850. Good thing they did not have NYC’s attitude or they would have blocked NYC’s ancestors from getting in.

  1157. jason says:

    I am sending an email to the Senate stating that there is some dude called NYC on a blog who would be willing to wager his entire fortune that the levels of immigration are “negotiable”.

    I am sure that will swing some votes…

  1158. Chicon says:

    1180 – I tend to agree on leaving the level of legal immigration where it is. I’m also open to consider more of it if there’s a need (especially if illegal immigration is curtailed, as it should be ). I do think it should be based on merit – ok by me if we only take the best and the brightest.

  1159. NYCmike says:

    Wow, Immigration levels from 1 million+ down to 900,000, along with END to chain migration and unlimited welfare benefits, and jason and Bitterlaw would NOT vote for that!

  1160. jason says:

    In the first place, if I were in the Senate, cuts to LEGAL immigration would not be “negotiable”.

    As Bitter said, I am opposed to cuts in legal immigration, the immigration deadenders have been telling me here for years that the problem is ILLEGAL immigration.

    So let’s tackle illegal immigration first, and we can make adjustments to the vetting of LEGAL immigrants without cutting the numbers.

  1161. Trump says:

    Reduce all immigration.

    Enough already.

  1162. Chicon says:

    1183. Yes, they do. My style would be to not do the same thing that I complain about in others. That’s not Trump’s style, and his style was clearly present when the American people hired him.

  1163. NYCmike says:

    “1180 – I tend to agree on leaving the level of legal immigration where it is.”

    -If the other things pass, I would take that, which I have also said repeatedly.

    Chicon,

    You must go low initially, to make the Democrats compromise on the other stu ff.

  1164. jason says:

    Wow, Immigration levels from 1 million+ down to 900,000, along with END to chain migration and unlimited welfare benefits, and jason and Bitterlaw would NOT vote for that!”

    What is the purpose of cutting LEGAL immigration from 1 million to 900k exactly?

    Send a message?

  1165. Trump says:

    Don’t need them.

  1166. NYCmike says:

    ILLEGAL immigration is NOT under the auspices of Congress.

    The Executive Branch is in charge of enforcing the law, NOT CONGRESS!

    Jeez, a civics class is DEFINITELY NEEDED!

  1167. jason says:

    You must go low initially, to make the Democrats compromise ”

    Hello?

    It won’t even pass the GOP caucus, you idiot.

    If Cotton/Perdue were serious, which they aren’t, wouldn’t it make sense to have a consensus bill that at least gets close to a majority in their own caucus?

    THEN you can negotiate with the Dems. Right now Cotton/Perdue have nothing, I doubt there are 20 senators in the GOP caucus that would agree to to a 50% reduction in legal immigration.

  1168. NYCmike says:

    “What is the purpose of cutting LEGAL immigration from 1 million to 900k exactly?”

    -You must go low initially, to make the Democrats compromise on the other stu ff.

    Cotton-Perdue DRASTICALLY CUTS (LOL) legal immigration levels to 500K. Democrats are in a FUROR!

    Republicans stay united, all of the other things in the legislation go thru, LEGAL immigration levels are slightly lowered (or stay the same).

    Bill passes, Trump signs.

    I am OK with that.

    Are the immigration “deadenders” cool with that result?

  1169. jason says:

    ILLEGAL immigration is NOT under the auspices of Congress.”

    Incorrect. The management of immigration is under the executive branch. In other words, the implementation of the laws passed by Congress.

    Congress is free to to pass immigration reform if it wants to, which would become law and would be implemented by the executive branch.

    The point is, attacking legal immigration like Cotton Perdue does is a waste of time.

  1170. mnw says:

    new thread

  1171. NYCmike says:

    “It won’t even pass the GOP caucus, you idiot.”

    -Which is exactly why Democrats NEVER COMPROMISE!

    You are the idiot! Great negotiating skills!

    Democrats want the legal numbers to stay the same, chain migration, unlimited welfare benefits, and no enforcement.

    Some Republicans want the legal numbers to stay the same, chain migration, welfare, and some enforcement.

    Sane Republicans want the legal numbers to reflect the reality of the world today, an end to chain migration, an end to unlimited welfare and enforcement of all laws.

  1172. jason says:

    Republicans stay united,”

    Most will not agree to a bill that cuts legal immigration by 50%.

    Take it out and THEN you might have a united caucus.

    It’s not rocket science.

  1173. NYCmike says:

    “Take it out and THEN you might have a united caucus.”

    -Why would the Democrats compromise on chain migration and welfare benefits?

    How would you get them to the table?

  1174. jason says:

    “Sane Republicans want the legal numbers”

    You are putting the cart before the horse.

    You don’t have 50 immigration deadenders yet, maybe when you get 50 Roy Moores and Kelli Wards you will.

    Until then Cotton Perdue and used toilet paper are the same.

  1175. NYCmike says:

    So, you are in favor of chain migration and unlimited benefits for legal immigrants?

  1176. jason says:

    “Why would the Democrats compromise on chain migration and welfare benefits?”

    If you have 52 votes you don’t need them.

    A 50% cut in legal immigration doesn’t have 52 votes. Or 49. Or 40. Or 30.

    Get it?

  1177. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    The numbers are a sideshow to the other issues.

    What don’t you understand about that?

    The other issues are the long-term costs of any immigrant program, and we would be smart to get rid of them. Chain migration? Unlimited welfare benefits?

  1178. jason says:

    I am not in favor of unlimited benefits for anyone.

    I am willing to look at chain migration, it shouldn’t be open ended.

    But we keep coming back to to the fact none of this matters if you commit legislative suicide with a bill that proposes a 50% cut in legal immigration.

  1179. jason says:

    The numbers are a sideshow to the other issues.”

    Hello?

    A 50% cut in legal immigration is a side show?

    You need professional help.

  1180. NYCmike says:

    “But we keep coming back to to the fact none of this matters if you commit legislative suicide with a bill that proposes a 50% cut in legal immigration.”

    -It is NOT legislative suicide.

    The numbers for legal immigration are HUGE! The voters will see 500,000 and say “that is a large number, very reasonable.”

    Make the Dems take a vote on it, so the voters see what they want, instead of just talking “like a conservative” about immigration.

    If they want to compromise on chain migration and welfare benefits, than move the number higher. AGAIN, I would be OK with the status quo, because an end to chain migration and unlimited welfare benefits and an introduction of a points system would be a WIN.

  1181. NYCmike says:

    “You need professional help.”

    -And you don’t know how to negotiate, nor do you know how to get Democrats to take a tough vote.

  1182. jason says:

    he numbers for legal immigration are HUGE! The voters will see 500,000 and say “that is a large number, very reasonable.”

    It’s not reasonable at all, that is why the GOP caucus will not support it.

  1183. Wes says:

    My thoughts on Adgate in VA:

    1) The ad was too cartoonish to make its point effectively. Gillespie is not an offensive person and doesn’t look like someone who would run over people with a truck. This Wiley E. Coyote style ad failed a primary rule of propaganda: believability.

    2) Northam hurt himself by refuding to condemn the ad.

    3) Since donations have increased, I expect Gillespie to have critical COH for the home stretch.

    4) Republicans of all stripes are now united behind Gillespie.

    5) Undecided voters will likely break toward Gillespie because of this.

    6) Democrats hurt themselves by sanctimonious virtue signalling here. They coild have made their point in subtle, more believable fashion. Instead, the effectively made parodies of themselves.

    As of now, I expect Gillespie and Vogel to win. I doubt Herring falls, but I hope he’s collateral damage.