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Gillespie Leads Northam By 3% in VA/ Northam Leads Gillespie By 3% in VA

We have two new polls to add to the gaggle of polls thus far in Virginia, one from Firehouse Strategies and Optimus that shows Ed Gillespie with a 3% lead and one from The New York Times and Siena College that shows Ralph Northam with a 3% lead.

GOVERNOR – VIRGINIA (FH/Optimus)
Ed Gillespie (R) 40%
Ralph Northam (D) 37%

GOVERNOR – VIRGINIA (NYT/Siena)
Ralph Northam (D) 43%
Ed Gillespie (R) 40%
Cliff Hyra (L) 2%

The FH/Optimus poll was done November 1-2 among 1600 voters. The NYT/Siena poll was done October 29-November 2 among 985 likely voters. A lot of undecided voters this late in the race in my opinion.

Posted by Dave at 8:28 am
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481 Responses to “Gillespie Leads Northam By 3% in VA/ Northam Leads Gillespie By 3% in VA”

  1. Bitterlaw says:

    First

  2. Wes says:

    Northam led all polls over summer and into early fall.

    Now Gillespie leads about half.

    Win one for the Gipper, Ed.

  3. Bitterlaw says:

    I guess Kate realized that I was not going to leave my wife. She moved on.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5050583/Kate-Upton-MLB-star-Justin-Verlander-tie-knot-Italy.html

  4. Wes says:

    This passes for “analysis” at RRH:

    I have seen people here argue both that Northam is running a bad campaign and that democrats are in bad shape if they loose VA-Gov. Gillespie could easily win as the better candidate and the GOP still loose the house in 2018.
    Or the opposite Northam winning bigger then expected and dems having an underwhelming 2018 election.

  5. mnw says:

    The Optimus/firehouse poll is not strictly RGs, to the extent I understand it. It states that it interviewed voters “based on past voting history.”

    I can’t get at Siena/NYT because…pay wall.

  6. mnw says:

    strictly RVs

  7. Wes says:

    Way to try to have it both ways, RRH!

    If Gillespie wins with the Left’s monumental anti-Trump enthusiasm, does that not indicate the Right will be enthusiastic against them next year?

    Conversely if Northsm wins bigger than expected, then the Left’s enthusiasm is very real and will translate into a large number of votes next year.

    I sometimes wonder where these people get their thouhts on electoral reality.

  8. jason says:

    Furthermore, it’s hard to believe that such a supposed “principled” person has gone so far left as MD. I’m disappointed in him.”

    I always viewed MD as a principled conservative too.

    But like Corey, he does have a big ego and hates to be wrong. He invested a lot of “capital” here telling us Trump could never win, also same as Corey.

    Corey, MD, Author and Wobbie are still mired in the campaign and have not been able to move on, and cannot admit that you can support a lot of what Trump is doing without being a Trump fan. They have all sold out their conservative principles in exchange for blind opposition to Trump.

    Maybe Corey can explain the psychology behind it.

  9. jason says:

    Wobbie will want to have it both ways too.

    He will be here to tell us a Gillespie victory means nothing for 2018, but a loss means doom until 2050.

  10. dblaikie says:

    I don’t trust any poll. But if Gillespie is even close with “voters” he is on his way to the Governors Mansion.

    However these two polls demonstrate how bad polling has become. To have Gillespie 3 points ahead in a “voters” poll and 3 points behind in a “likely voter” poll just a few days before the election shows how ludicrous the polling industry has become.

  11. mnw says:

    Well, I prefer your comment to their pablum.

    For a “politics with a right perspective” (or whatever they call themselves), my impression is that at least half of the RRH moderators vote DEM most of the time.

  12. jason says:

    “I guess Kate realized that I was not going to leave my wife. She moved on.”

    Another principled conservative!

  13. Wes says:

    Mnw, if they interviewed voters based on past voting history, I would interpret that as trying to determine likelihood of voting.

    For example, if Jim hasn’t voted since 2006, I would guess past voting history makes him likely irrelevant to the current race.

    Meanwhile, if Abby has voted every year since she turned 18 in 2009, her past voting history would indicate a significantly greater propensity to vote than Jim exhibits.

    That’s how I interpret the wording anyway.

  14. mnw says:

    dblaikie

    See 5 above.

    I don’t think it’s strictly “voters.” They apparently used SOME kind of LV screen,i.e., ” “based on past voting history.”

  15. DW says:

    I was actually expecting to hear of a larger lead for Northam out of the NY Times / Siena.

  16. Wes says:

    Thank you, Mnw.

    For a supposedly conservative site, they often seem to cheerlead for Dems.

    They have one poster in particular–MosheM–who claims to be a Republican but always predicts Democrats will win every election and supports repealing the Second Amendment to ban gun ownership.

    Those are some real Republicans, I tell you. 🙄

  17. mnw says:

    Wes

    Me too. It WASN’T a random poll of all RVs.

  18. Wes says:

    Ah. I see, Mnw.

  19. jason says:

    You can make the argument that if the undecided break for the challenger, Gillespie will benefit. Although Northam is not in office, he does represent continuity from the McCauliffe administration. So even in the NYT poll, if undecideds break 60/40 for Gillespie he makes up the 3 pt deficit.

  20. jason says:

    I wonder if Quinn will have a CYA poll to correct their 17 pt outlier…something like a 7 or 8 pt spread they can claim is within the MOE.

  21. Wes says:

    If anyone is undecided this late in the race between Northam and Gillespie, that person needs to lay off the bubbly.

    There’s s clear contrast between these guys. Being undecided is simply voter malpractice.

    Yes, I know not all Americans pay attention to politics as we do, but even a cursory knowledge of the race should be able to tell voters if Gillespie or Northam is the proper choice for them.

  22. Wes says:

    My dream scenario:

    Gillespie and Vogel (and, I hope, Adams as well) prevail. Gillespie performs well as Governor and successfully challenges Warner in 2020, leaving Vogel as incumbent Governor with a year to introduce herself to voters and secure the full term.

  23. jason says:

    was actually expecting to hear of a larger lead for Northam out of the NY Times / Siena.”

    Yep, not a confidence builder for Northam.

  24. jason says:

    Over at the Daily Beast, the moonbats want to “torch the huts”

    “If the kind of bad management Brazile exposed in her book is still de rigueur for the DNC, best to fix it now, before 2018 becomes the graveyard of a party that already controls almost no levers of power in a country where Democrats have outnumbered Republicans for more than 70 years.

    We face an unprecedented crisis in America. Millions of our fellow citizens are flirting with fascism in the guise of nationalism; xenophobic racism in the guise of national security, and authoritarianism masquerading as populism. One party has utterly capitulated to this rot, handing over the legacy of Republicanism to the crazies without so much as a fight, all in exchange for the promise of tax cuts and deregulation. America needs the other party to get itself in order.

    One could choose to view Brazile’s bombshell as a further destabilization of the party at a delicate time, or as a warning. Her revelations could be taken an excuse for the far left to abandon the party on the eve of two important gubernatorial races, or as an incentive for those who care about the party’s future, and the country’s, to right the ship.

    The barbarians are at the gate and the gate has fallen. Perhaps it is time to torch the huts and seek higher ground for the fight.”

  25. Wes says:

    Meanwhile, in the race featuring two people who actually for some unknown reason want to run a giant cesspool, Murphy is cruising and will likely crush Guadagno–an actually good candidate quite literally eclipsed by Chris Christie–by a good 10 points.

  26. jason says:

    If anyone is undecided this late in the race between Northam and Gillespie, that person needs to lay off the bubbly.”

    I am sure there are voters undecided, as you say not everyone is a political junkie. There might be Trump haters that worry a vote for Gillespie will empower Trump, or Trump loves who think Gillespie is too establishment.

    But certainly they are not in the 15% of the electorate as suggested by those polls.

  27. dblaikie says:

    Thanks MMW for the clarification. Frankly though, no one has much of an idea what “based on past voter history” means. In other words it is a screen that has no real meaning for us plebs trying to decipher the tea leaves.

  28. jason says:

    Yeah, NJ is too bad, but I think Guadagno will actually perform rather well for an R in a blue state with a very unpopular incumbent. 10 pts would not be a confidence builder for the Dems.

  29. jason says:

    Over at Salon, they don’t see things so rosy for their side either…

    “Both sides in the Democratic Party’s current faction fight, as I see it, are in denial about the true nature and scope of the problem. Sanders-style progressives long to purge the old guard and build anew, rebranding the entire party as a social-democratic enterprise dedicated to single-payer health care, a $15 minimum wage and higher taxes on the rich. Clintonite moderates, meanwhile, maintain that the Trump presidency, Republican hegemony in Washington and widespread social discord are rogue events that perhaps didn’t really happen and in any case do not reflect on their strategy of policy-wonk triangulation or their record of repeated and humiliating defeat.

    Both responses are essentially utopian: They rest on the premise that the Democratic Party is still a functioning political organization and that the United States is still a functioning democracy. We ought to know better by now. It does no good to pretend that the Democratic (and democratic) crisis — which is not just ideological and political but also moral, philosophical, financial, institutional and other adjectives besides — does not exist or isn’t important. Numerous social-media observers have already suggested that Donna Brazile should not have aired her party’s dirty secrets because we face a national emergency and need party unity at a time like this, etc.

    Nonsense: What unity? And for that matter, what party? The Demo-catastrophe cannot be swept under the carpet in the name of winning a House majority in 2018 (which isn’t going to happen anyway), although that’s a fair description of the party’s official strategy. That way lies madness, or at least the form of liberal derangement represented by Jon Ossoff, the guy who spent 30 million bucks, more money than any congressional candidate in history, to get exactly the same number of votes as the previous Democrat to be defeated in his suburban Atlanta district. (I was angry about it at the time and am angrier now: The demoralizing effect of the Ossoff debacle will have a long tail.)”

  30. mnw says:

    dblaikie 27

    Exactly. “Based on past voting behavior ” gives rise to the question, “OK, then… but what the hell did you people actually DO?”

  31. Bitterlaw says:

    Where is Tgca? Because of the time change. we have an extra hour to talk about ABORTION!

  32. mnw says:

    IMO, the ONE charge against Trump that is the MOST ludicrous is “authoritarianism”!

    Authoritarian? Really? Based on the available evidence one year in, Trump couldn’t get Congress to pass a non-binding resolution in favor of the March of Dimes.

    That’s some scary wannabe dictator.

  33. mnw says:

    Politico has a long lead article (updated today) positing a surge in AA turnout in VA on Tuesday. They cite some evidence, & they may be right.

  34. jason says:

    Can you post the link? Intuitively the AA turnout should not be that great in this race.

  35. Wes says:

    VA-Gov has become the marquis race of the year with a significant bit of nationalization about it.

    I would expect both blacks and whites to turn out in large numbers. Politico focuses strictly on the former while ignoring the latter.

  36. jason says:

    I don’t expect the Broncos to beat the Eagles but “on a given Sunday”….

  37. Wes says:

    Of course if blacks turn out heavily while whites vote for Gillespie by the same margins as for Trump nationally a year ago, Northam will still be at a disadvantage.

  38. jason says:

    “We need to keep everybody woke,” he said.

    Okayyy….

  39. jason says:

    And “signing a pledge card to vote” and voting are not the same thing.

    90% were willing to sign the pledge card, but you don’t go to jail if you don’t honor the pledge.

  40. jason says:

    I am usually skeptical on anecdotal evidence regarding turnout.

    So what is the weather forecast?

  41. Wes says:

    We know Northam will get 90% of the black vote. Let’s say they’re 20% of the overall vote. That’s 18% locked in for Northam.

    Now let’s say non-black minorities are 10% of the vote and go 70% for Northam. That’s another 7% for Northam, getting him up to 25%.

    This means whites would comprise 70% of the electorate. Northam would need 35-36% of their vote to get to 50%.

    Conceivably Northam can win with a plurality of the vote, but unless black turnout surges more than it did with Obama on the ballot while white turnout is essentially static or drops, I wouldn’t rely on the black vote were I Northam.

  42. Robbie says:

    I missed it yesterday, but did Antifa’s protests overthrow the government yesterday as FoxNews warned on its Twitter feed?

  43. Wes says:

    Fairfax and Richmond are expecting rain Tuesday, Jason. I can’t find a forecast for the whole state at the moment, but I checked on thr forecasts for the Dems’ two big bastions.

  44. Robbie says:

    #MAGA #SENDAMESSAGE

    Washington Post?
    @washingtonpost 12h

    Trump’s approval rating nearly 1 year after his election is far lower than any president in 7 decades of polling

  45. Wes says:

    Charlottesville will have light rain. Arlington will have moderate rain.

  46. Tina says:

    Is Dona Brazile accounted for today?

  47. Tina says:

    None of this absolves the Trump campaign of collusion charges. But there is now more public evidence about Clinton’s collusion with Russia than there is about any such collusion by Trump.

  48. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 5, 2017 at 10:40 am
    None of this absolves the Trump campaign of collusion charges. But there is now more public evidence about Clinton’s collusion with Russia than there is about any such collusion by Trump.

    – LOL. Never change. Never change.

    Donnie Jr, Carter Page, and George Papadopolous each met with Russians claiming they represented the Russian government and had dirt on Clinton.

  49. mnw says:

    Well, we know for sure that Trump won’t be in VA for a late Gillespie rally. He’ll be in Asia.

    I assume that Gillespie thought long & hard about bringing Trump in for a rally before he left for Asia, & that G made an affirmative decision not to do so.

    Possible reasons? 1) G decided Trump would do more harm than good; or 2) G really believes he’s winning even without a Trump visit, and G sees no reason to play the wild card. & take that risk.

  50. jason says:

    Overwhelming evidence Hillary colluded with the Russians and rigged the primaries, but Wobbie is breathlessly quoting his MSM friends about Flynn’s work for Turkey and Trump’s approval.

    Waiting for him to say that if Gillespie wins, it means nothing, if he loses, Rs are doomed until 2100.

    Stay tuned.

  51. Tina says:

    Bryon york slams uniparty /ushmobama,

  52. jason says:

    Donnie Jr, Carter Page, and George Papadopolous each met with Russians claiming they represented the Russian government and had dirt on Clinton.”

    LOL, as if that proves any kind of collusion.

    How about ACTUALLY PAYING foreign agents and Russians to dig up dirt on Trump?

  53. Tina says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ByronYork

    Here is the twitter feed of york slamming unibush.

  54. Tina says:

    Opposition research =dossier

  55. Tina says:

    Muh wire.

  56. jason says:

    Even though its actually published by his MSM friends, you will never see Wobbie post this:

    “The news that the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee paid for research used in the discredited Trump-Russia “dossier” is a bombshell. But even more shocking — and overlooked — is the revelation that the firm the Clinton campaign hired to compile that dossier, Fusion GPS, is the same firm that has been accused in recent congressional testimony of launching a smear campaign in Washington against Sergei Magnitsky, the Russian lawyer who was tortured and killed in a Russian prison in 2009 after uncovering a $230 million tax theft by 23 Kremlin-linked companies and individuals close to President Vladimir Putin”

  57. Phil says:

    Yeah, Robbie on the Clintons? Nothing to see here……crickets

    I don’t know how you just ignore their rampant corruption, but he has no trouble doing so.

  58. Tina says:

    How you ignore their rampant corruption?

    The jebots are for hillary.

  59. jason says:

    Poor Wobbie:

    “Don Jr. meets with Russian “claiming to have dirt on Clinton”, nothing results from meeting”

    Let’s overturn the results of the election!

    “Hillary Clinton PAYS foreign agent and Russians to dig up dirt on Trump, dossier issued”

    Legitimate oppo research, let’s move on.

    You have to love the hypocrisy.

  60. Tina says:

    If papa colluded, why was he only charged with and convicted of lying tomthe fbi?

    I know muh wire.

  61. Wes says:

    Donald Trump is Robbie’s personal bete noire, Phil. As with GHWB and GWB, the fact that Trump had the temerity to deny JEB! the White House is his driving motive. He will criticize nothing Hillary does while extolling loudly all of Trump’s flaws, real or imagined.

  62. jason says:

    Yeah, Robbie on the Clintons?”

    The silence is deafening.

    But hey, did you see Flynn might get indicted for lobbying for the Turks?

    Impeach Trump!!

  63. jason says:

    “The fact that Trump had the temerity to deny JEB! the White House is his driving motive”

    Yep, it always comes back to that, doesn’t it.

    No matter that Jeb would never have been President, Trump or no Trump. Not even the nominee, Trump or no Trump.

    Wobbie is just a small minded, petty moron. Pathetic really.

  64. Tina says:

    President bush mute for the last 8 years let the obamas attack him, and he did nothing.

    The bushes suck, may they never win the presidency again.

  65. Tina says:

    Maybe if her thighness had campaigned in the midwest more, she would have won.

    She did not. She took a lot of time off of the trail.

    But she was not ill.

    I think he collapse and the second debate hurrt her too. The pre debate was excellent stagecraft by kac and bannon.

    Then, we get the kill shots in the debate. Bj looking like casper the ghost. And then, two killer statements.

    You want to be like a. Lincoln, but a lincoln never told a lie.

    You will be in jail… crowd erupts. She stumbles verbally and listen to cooper, the moderators words thereafter.

  66. Tina says:

    Fusion is going back to court.

    The congress wants information on payments made to the media.

    They paid the media to report the dossiers findings.

    Totally illegal.

  67. mnw says:

    31% increase in VA absentee voting since 2014, per RRH.

  68. Tina says:

    Conan Nolan
    Conan Nolan
    @conanNBCLA
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    14h
    Hall of Fame Dodger announcer Vin Scully on the anthem protests in pro football: “I will never watch another NFL game again.”@NBCLA

  69. Phil says:

    Good for Vin.

  70. Tina says:

    ABC News ? @ABC
    Former DNC chair Donna Brazile: For those who are telling me to shut up, I tell them “go to hell. I’m going to tell my story.” #ThisWeek
    6:13 AM – Nov 5, 2017

    Brazile is a russian agent.

    Lol

  71. Phil says:

    Ok, Donna, but I’d be very careful. Beware of sudden fatal “accidents”.

  72. mnw says:

    Sen. Langford is now making “no” noises about tax cut vote.

    I rate the passage of the tax cut/ reform as 20-1 against.

  73. Jonesy says:

    Flynn is a registered Democrat

  74. mnw says:

    The problem with the GOP’s minuscule, marginal Senate majority is, it let’s every damn one of those egotistical pr***s pretend to be President For A Day.

  75. Jonesy says:

    Robbie is to stupid to know that. Flynn worked at Obama’s pentagon

  76. Jonesy says:

    Goober Graham called for a SC for Uranium deal on Fox News Sunday.

    Rove and Juan Williams argued over Hillary Crimes this morning

  77. Jonesy says:

    Just stating facts here, not trying get into social issues.

    But is it true That Synema in Arizona is openly Gay and Atheist?

    Does that fly in AZ? Just asking

  78. Tina says:

    Goober is stupid, he should know that there is an investigation into it.

  79. Jonesy says:

    Tina, Goober is a big never trumper and respected by the Dems.

    His call for SC carries weight

  80. lisab says:

    i think, given the underwhelming antifa rallies yesterday, that the anti-trump movement has lost its mojo …

    while they still hate trump, the antifa youngsters will NOT come out to vote against trump by voting against gillespie.

    i think that people who traditionally vote in off-year elections will dominate.

    i am guessing that gillespie will win because the young vote, the black vote and the minority vote will be in the basement while mostly white voters will vote and they will favor the gop slightly because virginia in the past trended more red than today and again the younger voters will be staying home.

  81. Tina says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/926065532276797441

    Another russian deal should be in the cards since they are so nice to us. /s.

    Come on mullah corker put it togwther.

  82. Tina says:

    Btw, in the recent release ofubl stuff, no question of ties between aq and iran.

    The iran deal should be canceled.

  83. Jonesy says:

    How many of Robbie’s Friends in the KY Legislature have had to resign over harassment?

  84. Jonesy says:

    Lisa, after all these years and votes, the Va GOP could not find a way for NoVa to report earlier in the night?

    almost as bad as Chicago

  85. Wes says:

    Jonesy, Synema is an atheist bisexual. She’s not a lesbian. Arizona is a libertarian-leaning state, so I doubt her sexual orientation or lack of religion hurts her unless she openly disparages religion and straight people.

    If I were the Republican running against her, I’d focus more on her erratic voting record, casting her as an unprincipled opportunist, while painting her as out of the state’s mainstream with her “prada-wearing socialist” self-identification.

  86. lisab says:

    i think the dems are in disarray

    hillary was just not well liked. the youngsters barely knew who she was. now the bernie bros are finding out they were cheated — i bet most have not heard the news yet as they are playing games in their dorm rooms.

    the dem elite who were obama backers are fed up with hillary and want her gone. the hillary supporters — and there were many — don’t want to let the election go. the bernie backers are simply angry at life.

    the wise move would be for biden to act as elder statesman and move the party slightly to the center but i don’t think he has the ability any more if he ever did to lead the party.

    i think warren and bernie will lead the party far far left in 2020

    and get crushed.

  87. Wes says:

    What are they going to do, Jonesy–send in guys armed with guns to force the election officials in NoVA to report early?

    Here’s a better idea:

    Call their bluff. Hold votes back in GOP areas till NoVA reports.

  88. lisab says:

    of course if the economy goes south, or trump does get implicated with evidence in a sexual assault or conspiracy

    that would be a different story.

    however, the dems are losing working people right now and the number of workers is currently growing

  89. lisab says:

    Call their bluff. Hold votes back in GOP areas till NoVA reports.
    ————————–

    this assumes the nova officials are cheating

    and if they are cheating then it really does not matter if you hold back your votes if you don’t cheat too

    they will just inflate their votes by more than needed

    or

    they could report low numbers … wait until you reprt yours … and then update their totals

  90. Wes says:

    Too bad Liz Warren has to run for reelection next year. I was wanting to see her campaign for Democrat Senate candidates in GOP states who ultimately lose.

  91. lisab says:

    warren probably has a senate seat for life sad to say

    maybe romney or brown could have taken her out

    but they have both fled massachusetts

  92. lisab says:

    i think she has decided not to run for president though

    if a major minority candidate runs, warren is very vulnerable to the liawatha attacks

  93. Wes says:

    I doubt anyone’s actually cheating, Lisa. NoVA is a densely populated urban area. The real reason it takes longer to report is the larger number of votes tabulated.

    I suggested having the GOP areas hold off on reporting so Jonesy can feel better about how Republicans can’t force NoVA to report early.

  94. Wes says:

    Warren is a Democrat Senator from Massachusetts. Unless one is named David Walsh, that’s the epitome of job security.

  95. lisab says:

    I doubt anyone’s actually cheating,
    ————————————-

    mostly agree except for some philly, detroit and chicago areas … places that report 0 gop votes … surely someone would vote for the gop just by accident

    at least in massachusetts when the voting machines are opened there are representatives from both parties there

    so cheating would be difficult

  96. Wes says:

    I still remember when an RRH “Republican” said Alison Lundergan Grimes would brnefit from having Warren campaign for her in 2014.

    Grimes lost 41-56 in the first call of the night for a US Senate seat.

  97. Mr.Vito says:

    “Donna Brazile called a russian stooge.”

    So Hillary colluded with Russia?

  98. jason says:

    Grimes lost by 15? According to Wobbie she was a very formidable candidate.

  99. MichiganGuy says:

    Olympic runner Shalane Flanagan became the first American woman Sunday to win the New York City Marathon since 1977.

    http://nypost.com/2017/11/05/shalane-flanagan-is-first-american-to-win-womens-nyc-marathon-since-1977/

  100. jason says:

    “I doubt anyone’s actually cheating,”

    I would agree about the NOVA vote in the recent elections. The fact they reported last is not the reason Gillespie or Trump lost.

    However, if its within the MOF, all bets are off, such as Obershain. I certainly think the Dems stole that election.

  101. Mr.Vito says:

    On skynews election night, they interviewed former senator Larry Pressler… he was part of Republicans for Hillary, and when things were looking close, he said… I kid you not… he believed Hillary would win because if it was close or went to a recount, she had the people to make it go her way and Trump didn’t. WTF?

  102. Mr.Vito says:

    So that pretty much confirms everything you have always thought about MOF.

  103. Wes says:

    To be fair, Vito, Pressler was wrong. Hillary couldn’t even make up a <1% of the vote difference in Michigan.

  104. janz says:

    #3. Bitter you were the 1st person thought of when I heard about Kate Upton’s wedding.

    #8. Jason, agree about the “investment of ego” making it difficult for someone to give up a position they’ve staunchly PRed.

    #22 Wes, a dream can turn into a precient vision.

  105. Bitterlaw says:

    Uh oh. Zack Ernst is out. Wentz’s favorite target. Broncos could pull the upset.

  106. Wes says:

    Interestingly Pressler was a staunch conservative in his early years in Congress. Circa 1990, he became a high-living elitist. He won by 52-47 against a no-name Democrat that year after winning by 75-23 in 1984. Pressler didn’t learn though and lost 49-51 to Tim Johnson in 1990.

    After an abortive congressional bid in 2002, Pressler seemed to become a radical leftist. He endorsed Obama twice snd later hero.

    What a guy for Hillary to have supporting her. 🙄

  107. Wes says:

    Hero should be Hillary in 112. I’m not sure how I managed to misspell that badly.

  108. mnw says:

    “Republicans for Hillary,” huh? Bet they had their annual meeting in a room the size of a refrigerator shipping crate.

    Press let was always a dik. I didn’t know he was still alive. He and Peggy Noonan ought to get married.

  109. Bitterlaw says:

    Lisab – There are areas in Philadelphia where it is believable that there are no GOP votes.

  110. Wes says:

    Pressler was never as bad as Bill Janklow, Mnw. Janklow was friends with Tom Daschle and primaried Jim Abdnor to help Daschle win a Senate seat.

    In 2003, when John Thune was mulling a challenge to Daschle, Janklow again threatened a primary to save Daschle. Then he ran a stop sign and killed a motorcyclist. With a cleared primary field, Thune successfully challenged Daschle.

  111. BRENT says:

    ed is gonna win by 3 imo has momentum plus northam is running a horrible campaign and wobbling

  112. mnw says:

    Wes

    The only time in my life I ever contributed the maximum individual donation was to Thune when he took down Daschle.
    I never detested any politician as much as Daschle. It was the way he talked down to voters & assumed we were all idiots, e.g., “See all these letters from the nuns who taught me in school? It’s ridiculous to think I would ever favor abortion!” One example among many.

    I credit Dick Wadhams in very large part for Thune’s win. Wadhams ran the Thune campaign. He moved to CO & dropped out of sight.

  113. mnw says:

    Daschle was (hopefully) the last politician who could get away with voting one way in D.C. & claiming to be the exact polar opposite back home.

    The single most devastating ad I ever saw was for Thune, & it was called “In His Own Words.” All it was was a montage of Daschle saying things that were offensive to his home state voters. Strung all together, one after another, it was like a political hydrogen bomb. Wadhams saved it for the last 10 days before the GE. Then, he made sure every voter in SD saw it 5 times.

  114. Wes says:

    Joe Manchin has been successfully following the Dascjle playbook, Mnw, as has Heidi Heitkamp.

  115. Wes says:

    I’d love to see Manchin, Heitkamp, McCaskill, Tester, and Donnelly fall before the voters’ wrath next year.

  116. mnw says:

    Wes

    I don’t think those people are nearly as successful at hiding their records from the home state voters as Daschle was.

    It’s harder to hide now.

  117. Bitterlaw says:

    The Bronco’s kicker is from Temple University. Scoring against the Eagles? Traitor.

  118. DW says:

    Travel Advisory:

    Before boarding a plane, ensure that Donna Brazile is not a passenger.

  119. mnw says:

    124

    Any new thoughts about election today?

    What do you think about the Politico article (link above in 37), predicting an unexpectedly large AA turnout?

  120. Tina says:

    Brazile is a russian stooge.

    -jebots

  121. Phil says:

    My sympathies to Donna and her impending suicide.

  122. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 5, 2017 at 10:50 am
    Overwhelming evidence Hillary colluded with the Russians and rigged the primaries, but Wobbie is breathlessly quoting his MSM friends about Flynn’s work for Turkey and Trump’s approval.
    Waiting for him to say that if Gillespie wins, it means nothing, if he loses, Rs are doomed until 2100.
    Stay tuned.

    – I admire that you’re embracing the fact you’ve become a total fraud thanks to your continued defense of Trump, a guy you bashed every day during the campaign and then defended simply because he won with a R next to his name.

    How long before you start quoting Fox N Friends, Jessie Watters, and Sean Hannity as serious sources?

  123. Mr.Vito says:

    From the Firehouse poll…

    “It’s worth noting that this is a difficult race to poll because VA party composition is super volatile election to election. If turnout reflects 2016 levels, instead of assuming a 2013-like composition, then we have Northam winning by +1.5.”

  124. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 5, 2017 at 10:57 am
    Yeah, Robbie on the Clintons? Nothing to see here……crickets
    I don’t know how you just ignore their rampant corruption, but he has no trouble doing so.

    – Looks like someone bought into the Fox n Friends spin.

  125. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 5, 2017 at 10:59 am
    Poor Wobbie:
    “Don Jr. meets with Russian “claiming to have dirt on Clinton”, nothing results from meeting”
    Let’s overturn the results of the election!
    “Hillary Clinton PAYS foreign agent and Russians to dig up dirt on Trump, dossier issued”
    Legitimate oppo research, let’s move on.
    You have to love the hypocrisy.

    – In short, yep.

    I love the hypocrisy you display every day. You spent the campaign trashing Trump, but he won with a R next to his name so he’s now your boy.

  126. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 5, 2017 at 11:00 am
    If papa colluded, why was he only charged with and convicted of lying tomthe fbi?
    I know muh wire.

    – Bless your heart, Tinfoil. Ever heard of pleading to lesser charges as a benefit of cooperation?

  127. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 5, 2017 at 11:00 am
    Donald Trump is Robbie’s personal bete noire, Phil. As with GHWB and GWB, the fact that Trump had the temerity to deny JEB! the White House is his driving motive. He will criticize nothing Hillary does while extolling loudly all of Trump’s flaws, real or imagined.

    – And your personal bete noire is GWB. So what’s your point? We all have them. I’m not going to corrupt my beliefs just to support a life long liberal.

    As for Hillary, I’ve got some news for the HHR forum. She lost the election. If you want to continue to say “but Hillary” as a way to defend Trump, go right ahead. That argument’s clearly not working with anyone other than the FoxNews viewers though.

  128. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 5, 2017 at 11:02 am
    “The fact that Trump had the temerity to deny JEB! the White House is his driving motive”
    Yep, it always comes back to that, doesn’t it.
    No matter that Jeb would never have been President, Trump or no Trump. Not even the nominee, Trump or no Trump.
    Wobbie is just a small minded, petty moron. Pathetic really.

    – The only one who ever brings up Jeb is you. You’re the one who still cries at your faded poster of St. Marco Rubio wondering what could have been and blaming Bush for keeping him from the nomination.

    I get it though. I’d be bitter if the guy I supported used his one chance to stop Trump to talk about Trump’s hand size or that Trump wet his pants in a debate.

    Of course, you’re a total fraud so nothing surprises me.

  129. Mr.Vito says:

    Robbie Doodle came to Blog
    Riding One-Trick Pony
    Tarred and Feathered for his Act
    And called out for a Phony

    Robbie Doodle Keep it Up
    Robbie Doodle Phony
    Taunt and Lie and Call em Chumps
    And Push some more Baloney

  130. lisab says:

    DADDY CAN BE MUMMY Womb transplants could allow men to have babies ‘tomorrow’, claims expert

    Blokes would not be able to deliver the baby naturally, but could give birth by cesarean

  131. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 5, 2017 at 11:31 am
    Robbie is to stupid to know that. Flynn worked at Obama’s pentagon

    – Are you too stupid to know Flynn was Trump’s closest foreign policy advisor on the campaign, was considered to be Trump’s VP, and oh by the way was National Security Advisor for 24 days?

  132. Tina says:

    Muh wire, said bless tour heart.

  133. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 5, 2017 at 11:43 am
    How many of Robbie’s Friends in the KY Legislature have had to resign over harassment?

    – Zero. How many of your friends associated with the Trump campaign or White House will be indicted?

  134. Tina says:

    Muh wire.

    Muh wire.

    Muh russia.

    Papa wore a wire.

    Lol, loon

  135. lisab says:

    i am pretty sure robbie did not want jeb to beat hillary

  136. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 5, 2017 at 12:24 pm
    Grimes lost by 15? According to Wobbie she was a very formidable candidate.

    – The ease with which you lie is astonishing, but you are a total fraud so anything is possible.

  137. Tina says:

    How many of your hillary friends will be indicted?

    So, in jebot land, ahe did not collapse on 9/11/16. She was not chucked into a medical van?

    She did not pay for the dossier, even though she admitted to doing so?

  138. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes and Robbie are equal in their spenific hatreds. Wes hates GWB. Robbie hates Trump. You have to admire their dedication.

  139. Tina says:

    Ding, ding ding.

    Chicken dinner, goes to lisab.

  140. lisab says:

    oh by the way was National Security Advisor for 24 days?
    ————
    yes 24 days

    and then got fired for lying about his connection to the russian ambassador

  141. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    November 5, 2017 at 2:34 pm
    Robbie Doodle came to Blog
    Riding One-Trick Pony
    Tarred and Feathered for his Act
    And called out for a Phony
    Robbie Doodle Keep it Up
    Robbie Doodle Phony
    Taunt and Lie and Call em Chumps
    And Push some more Baloney

    – Change a few names and this poem also applies to the sycophants who come here and defend Trump no matter what.

  142. mnw says:

    goo.gl/j2Eqxi

  143. Tina says:

    Antifa ryno slipped a 46 percent tax rate in the plan.

    We will lose this.

    The senate and the house will be in danger due to the ky stutterer and antifa ryano.

  144. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    November 5, 2017 at 2:38 pm
    i am pretty sure robbie did not want jeb to beat Hillary

    – I’m pretty sure you’re an idiot and you’re wrong.

  145. DW says:

    125 – no new thoughts. We are so close now that I don’t think there is much left to the campaign to move the needle one way or the other. AA turnout is always forecast to be high. This was one of the mistakes they had on election night coverage–they kept saying AA turnout was down–an assumption brought about by battleground states being closer than expected. In the end there was nothing ‘off’ about the AA vote, it was just the rural vote coming out huge for Trump.

  146. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 5, 2017 at 2:39 pm
    How many of your hillary friends will be indicted?
    So, in jebot land, ahe did not collapse on 9/11/16. She was not chucked into a medical van?
    She did not pay for the dossier, even though she admitted to doing so?

    – I’ll take “What is a nonsense argument” for $100, Alex.

  147. Wes says:

    Fox News must have run a bad story on JEB!. Robbie seems unable to post without mentioning the channrl negatively now.

  148. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder what it is like to be a normal fan. Fans of other teams would look at a 31-9 half-time lead as safe. Not me. Too much time left.

  149. Mr.Vito says:

    Rare footage of two Robbies having a discussion…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA5UqUyFmT0

  150. Tina says:

    The hillarybot is saying that she did not pay for the russian dossier.

  151. Tina says:

    ardillo
    ·
    3h
    A. “Has enough evidence to bring charges.” Not “indicted.”

    B. Nothing to do w/“Russia collusion.”

    Yup, more tax or paper work violations.

  152. Mr.Vito says:

    155 Did he David ‘Cop-A-Feel’ like his old man?

  153. Mr.Vito says:

    Robbie has spent a year now saying he didn’t believe the Russian collusion story, but Manafort and Flynn would be indicted.

    He is now constantly pointing to Manafort and Flynn being indicted as proof of collusion.

    This is why he has been a phony from day one.

  154. Tina says:

    Maybe, but the last few times bush 43has looked like he has been hitting the sauce again

  155. NYCmike says:

    Robbie ranting is always a good read!

  156. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 5, 2017 at 2:44 pm
    Fox News must have run a bad story on JEB!. Robbie seems unable to post without mentioning the channrl negatively now.

    – Just as MSNBC promoted farcical spin for Obama during his presidency, FoxNews has done the same for Trump since his presidency started.

    For instance, here’s a totally insane headline from their website just two days ago.

    “Antifa apocalypse? Anarchist group’s plan to overthrow Trump ‘regime’ starts Saturday”

  157. Mr.Vito says:

    How insecure does someone have to be to reply to every post on a thread?

    You would think Robbie is running Trump’s twitter feed, actually.

  158. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    November 5, 2017 at 2:46 pm
    Rare footage of two Robbies having a discussion…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA5UqUyFmT0

    – Rare footage of Trump defenders trying to explain away his endless series of screw-ups.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NNOrp_83RU

  159. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 5, 2017 at 2:46 pm
    The hillarybot is saying that she did not pay for the russian dossier.

    – I said no such thing, Tinfoil.

    You on the other hand said back in July there were no emails between Donnie Jr. and Russians right until Donnie Jr. released them himself.

  160. Tina says:

    Muh wire

  161. Tina says:

    Nope, muh russia.

    Said, thy did not have the emails.

  162. Tina says:

    In loon land, hillary did not collude since she was not the winner.

    She did not oay for the dossier, even though she admitted to it.

  163. mnw says:

    NRO The Corner’s Alex DeSanctis (sp?) has an interesting catch:

    Northam campaigned against illegal aliens when he ran for state senate in 2007.

  164. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    November 5, 2017 at 2:51 pm
    Robbie has spent a year now saying he didn’t believe the Russian collusion story, but Manafort and Flynn would be indicted.
    He is now constantly pointing to Manafort and Flynn being indicted as proof of collusion.
    This is why he has been a phony from day one.

    – I have done no such thing. I have not pointed to those two as proof of collusion. I continue to believe the Trump campaign didn’t set out to officially collude with Russians. They were too disorganized to do so.

    That said, Trump and his surrogates repeatedly said, not only was there no collusion, there weren’t even any meetings with any Russians. Well, rogue operators in the Trump campaign (including his own son) clearly met with people who were at least offering to provide info directly from the Russian government.

  165. Mr.Vito says:

    170 Well, shouldn’t they have cut an ad about that by now? With two days left, I dunno.

  166. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 5, 2017 at 2:54 pm
    Robbie ranting is always a good read!

    – My rants about Trump are far less detrimental than your support of candidates who allow Democrats to win seats Republicans should easily win.

  167. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    November 5, 2017 at 2:57 pm
    How insecure does someone have to be to reply to every post on a thread?
    You would think Robbie is running Trump’s twitter feed, actually

    – Sometimes, I generally enjoy arguing. Other times, I feel I have to make sure blatant lies like the ones Tina or Lisab put out that I wanted Hillary to win are corrected and not allowed to become viewed as reality.

  168. Mr.Vito says:

    “I have not pointed to those two as proof of collusion.”

    BS. You come here every day pushing that story. We have had dozens of conversations about everything under the sun, and you reliably show up in the middle of them with the same shtick.

  169. Mr.Vito says:

    “Sometimes, I generally enjoy arguing.”

    Arguing requires making a point.

  170. Tina says:

    There is collusion, i just do not push it.

    Jebot.

  171. Tina says:

    I wanted Hillary to win are corrected and not allowed to become viewed as reality.

    It is a reality already.

  172. Mr.Vito says:

    This Governor election is going to be a turnout election.

    Neither candidate is very exciting, so it will have to be about ginning up the base without ginning up the other base.

    GOTV may actually be key.

  173. Mr.Vito says:

    The Siena poll also shows Gillespie doing well in Richmond/Tidewater areas… Gillespie needs to be pushing turnout in those areas and hoping the West comes through.

  174. Mr.Vito says:

    Get on those phones, DW!

    ha ha.

  175. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    November 5, 2017 at 3:07 pm
    “I have not pointed to those two as proof of collusion.”
    BS. You come here every day pushing that story. We have had dozens of conversations about everything under the sun, and you reliably show up in the middle of them with the same shtick.

    – Go play with your sock. I have said no such thing. I have not said Manafort and Flynn getting indicted would prove anything about collusion. I have repeatedly said I don’t think Trump or his campaign colluded with Russia either.

    It was clear from the countless number of stories written over the last half year that Manafort and Flynn were both likely to be indicted for their own shadiness. Too bad for them that Trump’s own actions sparked the appointment of a special prosecutor who then began to look into their actions while associated with the campaign and anything discovered in the process.

    My prediction since last June has been clear. Mueller would indict Manafort and Flynn (assuming neither cut a deal) and Trump would NOT be indicted for obstruction of justice for his firing of James Comey.

    All that said, I had no idea Donnie Jr. and other members of the Trump team had met with Russians claiming to offer help from Putin or his government.

  176. Phil says:

    Robbie thinks rampant Clinton corruption is just “Fox and Friends spin”.

    Good God.

  177. Tina says:

    All that being said, hillary should not be punished.

    -jebot

  178. Mr.Vito says:

    ” I have not said Manafort and Flynn getting indicted would prove anything about collusion.”

    No you are just in love with pushing the innuendo about it from every leftist over and over every day… how many posts did you make the day of the indictments? 5000? Over something you knew was coming and was meaningless?

    You aren’t fooling anyone. If you are genuine, you are dumber than Trump at messaging.

  179. Jonesy says:

    Robbie thy name is fool.

    Ignore the Kentucky Drunk

  180. Wes says:

    Actually, Lisa, I think Robbie clearly DID want JEB! to beat Hillary. Once Trump ended JEB!’s political career though, Robbie lost his mind like the H. P. Lovecraft protagonist at the end of Dagon and determined Trump was a harbinger of the Apocalypse.

  181. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 5, 2017 at 3:21 pm
    Robbie thinks rampant Clinton corruption is just “Fox and Friends spin”.

    – If you’re referencing the Uranium story, then yes I believe it is BS put out by Trump allies like Fox n Friends as an attempt tp distract from indictments involving people who worked for Trump’s campaign.

  182. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    November 5, 2017 at 3:25 pm
    ” I have not said Manafort and Flynn getting indicted would prove anything about collusion.”
    No you are just in love with pushing the innuendo about it from every leftist over and over every day… how many posts did you make the day of the indictments? 5000? Over something you knew was coming and was meaningless?
    You aren’t fooling anyone. If you are genuine, you are dumber than Trump at messaging.

    – And you’re not fooling me that you’re not a shill for Trump.

  183. Jonesy says:

    Lindsay Graham calls for a SC into Clinton scandals, and Tinfoil Robbie says it is a Fox and Friends spin?

    Who is more GOPe Never Trump than Graham?

    Robbie wear your Bibb

  184. Jonesy says:

    Robbie voted for Hillary and Jeb

  185. Wes says:

    I never once saw Robbie express his current level of outrage at a President when Obama was in office. Robbie clearly wants to be a member of the Bush family.

  186. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 5, 2017 at 3:26 pm
    Robbie thy name is fool.
    Ignore the Kentucky Drunk

    – I see Trump’s court jester has checked in.

  187. Jonesy says:

    Dirty old Groper Bush 1 voted for Hillary

  188. Jonesy says:

    Do not bite into that tinfoil while you drool, Slobbie

  189. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 5, 2017 at 3:28 pm
    Actually, Lisa, I think Robbie clearly DID want JEB! to beat Hillary. Once Trump ended JEB!’s political career though, Robbie lost his mind like the H. P. Lovecraft protagonist at the end of Dagon and determined Trump was a harbinger of the Apocalypse.

    – You’re right. I did lose my mind that a party which claimed to be conservative nominated Trump.

    But just for fun, everyone should go back through the archives and read what Wes was saying about Trump during September and October of 2016. It was not all that different from what I was saying.

  190. Wes says:

    Prescott Bush must be causing cyclones from his grave. He fathered a dirty old man who in turn fathered a pair of entitled idiots who between them might have half a functioning brain.

  191. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 5, 2017 at 3:29 pm
    Lindsay Graham calls for a SC into Clinton scandals, and Tinfoil Robbie says it is a Fox and Friends spin?
    Who is more GOPe Never Trump than Graham?
    Robbie wear your Bibb

    – Great. Name one. Let’s see what someone finds.

    Just for fun, which crimes do you think Killary committed?

  192. Mr.Vito says:

    “And you’re not fooling me that you’re not a shill for Trump.”

    Thanks for ceding the point… and this one is even richer…

    “If you’re referencing the Uranium story, then yes I believe it is BS put out by Trump allies like Fox n Friends as an attempt tp distract from indictments involving people who worked for Trump’s campaign.”

    That story has been out for ages, and had just gained steam with Mueller investigating the Podesta group, knowledge of bribery from the FBI, and the release of an undercover agent from an NDA when the indictments suddenly leaked over the weekend. Seriously, do you follow the news at all?

  193. Wes says:

    I’ve never claimed to like Trump, Robbie. I’ve just determined since he won, I’m not going to characterize all of his actions as the biggest presidential scandal in history until and unless I have reason to actively turn against him.

    So far I see his presidency as a mixed bag and see no reason to fly into histrionics when discussing him.

  194. Jonesy says:

    197. Agreed Wes. When Trump talks sex, the Tinfoil never Trumpers call him the Devil.

    When George HW Bush gropes and tell sex jokes with his family present, he is a War Hero

  195. Tina says:

    THe dossier is a crearion of fox news, as is the u 1.

    I still love hillary

    Jebot.

  196. Jonesy says:

    Robbie unhinged because Trump has had 8 quality Circuit Judges confirmed before his first year, on par with Reagan.

    The Bush’s nominate trash like Souter and Harriet Myers.

    Jeb would have nominated Judge Judy

  197. Wes says:

    It is interesting how while Fox was by far the friendliest network to GWB a decade ago, Robbie now sees reason to repeatedly execrate them for not going full MSNBC on Trump.

  198. Tina says:

    They hate flynn because he ratted on obama and mccabe.

  199. Mr.Vito says:

    “So far I see his presidency as a mixed bag and see no reason to fly into histrionics when discussing him.”

    If he starts a foreign war on bad intelligence, bungles the economy, and gives a liberal a 60 seat majority, Wes will change his mind.

  200. Tina says:

    The bushes are theash.

  201. Wes says:

    Damn straight, Vito.

    I’m on record acknowledging that.

  202. Tina says:

    W conceded the midwest. Stupid stratergery that he and the cannnrd ha, karl rove, had.

    Stupid to never defend yourself from charges of being a nazi.

    But you are upset because tour fat brother was called low energy.

  203. mnw says:

    I had two main problems with Mr. Orange before he won: 1) past liberal activism & donations thereto: & 2) terror of 1964 redux on steroids to the 6th power.

    As POTUS, to me it’s been far better than a mixed bag. Aside from making injudicious comments, it’s all good.

  204. Tina says:

    Mccabe was accused of sexual harrasment. Flynn took the side of the woman.

    They are allegations that mccabe retaliated against him and trump by launching the investigation back in june 2016, once they took over payment of the dossier.

  205. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    November 5, 2017 at 3:35 pm

    That story has been out for ages, and had just gained steam with Mueller investigating the Podesta group, knowledge of bribery from the FBI, and the release of an undercover agent from an NDA when the indictments suddenly leaked over the weekend. Seriously, do you follow the news at all?

    – Are you aware of the process that was involved to approve the sale?

    Clinton was one of nine cabinet members and department heads that sit on the CFIUS, and the secretary of the treasury is its chairperson. Were Robert Gates and the others in on the crime?

    On top of that, the uranium was not and cannot be exported, and remained under the control of U.S. based subsidiaries of Uranium One.

  206. Tina says:

    He has been the most conservative president simce reagan.

    Pleasantly surprised by his spending restraint, debt cut, quest to end illegal immigrati9n, and largest regulation cut.

    Jeb would not have done this.

  207. Tina says:

    None of the uranium was exported.

    Untrue

  208. Mr.Vito says:

    “Are you aware of the process that was involved to approve the sale?”

    Yes, ignoramus. The FBI did not share the intelligence of the bribery and Clinton connection.

  209. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 5, 2017 at 3:37 pm
    197. Agreed Wes. When Trump talks sex, the Tinfoil never Trumpers call him the Devil.
    When George HW Bush gropes and tell sex jokes with his family present, he is a War Hero

    – In contrast, when 10 women accuse Trump of sexual harassment, the Trump shills shout “but Hillary”. When GHW Bush is accused of something, the Trump shills say he’s guilty.

  210. Wes says:

    Didn’t GHWB admit to groping those women?

    I know I would never say I sexually harassed a woman if I didn’t do it.

  211. Mr.Vito says:

    “On top of that, the uranium was not and cannot be exported, and remained under the control of U.S. based subsidiaries of Uranium One.”

    Wrong. The permits were transferred through slick maneuvers, which was always going to happen when you involve Russians who are bribing officials and trucking companies.

  212. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 5, 2017 at 3:39 pm
    Robbie unhinged because Trump has had 8 quality Circuit Judges confirmed before his first year, on par with Reagan.
    The Bush’s nominate trash like Souter and Harriet Myers.
    Jeb would have nominated Judge Judy

    – Your stupidity and ability to use straw man arguments is boundless.

    The only thing Trump has done well is judges.

    Maybe if you hadn’t just shown up in June to fellate Trump in this forum you’d have known I spent January and February giving Trump credit for his judicial selections.

  213. Jonesy says:

    216. But Bill Clinton.

    Are you going to protect Rapist Bubba too Robbie?

  214. mnw says:

    Tina 213

    Agreed. Not sure he hasn’t been MORE conservative than RR. That might be because RR had to deal with a DEM House after ’82, though, & T has not.

  215. Wes says:

    Of course I’m not a nonagenarian former President either.

  216. Jonesy says:

    220. Fellate? Dirty sex talk like your heroes the Bush’s Robbie?

  217. Tina says:

    Mnw, we will see

    At least we are not bogged down by the iraq war and he has not proposed amnesty and medicare part d, coupled with all of the bush spendjnf.

  218. Jonesy says:

    Mueller dropped the ball on 9/11 and the Boston Bombings, but Deep State calls him a hero.

    I wonder if Mueller and Comey keep in touch?

  219. Tina says:

    The arrested saudi prince paid for obumblers tuition to harvard.

    Big ugly has begun.

  220. Tina says:

    Mueller also lied about iraq and wmd.

  221. Jonesy says:

    Nobody compares to Reagan. He beat the media without the Conservative Internet and Fox News, and was the best American POTUS ever.

  222. Tina says:

    Mueller was not director until after 9/11. He came from the sf office.

  223. Wes says:

    One thing I wish Trump would do is what Reagan did: coordinate with Congress to get his agenda passed. Reagan used his remarkable ability to connect with the American people but behind the scenes worked with Howard Baker, Bob Dole, Bill Roth, and the conservative Republicans and Democrats in the House to craft legislation to his liking.

    Trump uses Twitter to get his message out but doesn’t seem to be interested in sending liaisons to the relevant congressional leaders to work on the legislative side of things.

  224. Jonesy says:

    Prince biggest shareholder of Citigroup, Tina, and a big never Trumper

  225. Tina says:

    It ismall relative. Nixon and ford seem more conservative that president mute or president groper.

  226. Jonesy says:

    Wes, I agree, to be fair the Dems had many conservatives from the South willing to play ball.

    None today, except maybe Manchin

  227. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 5, 2017 at 3:41 pm
    W conceded the midwest. Stupid stratergery that he and the cannnrd ha, karl rove, had.
    Stupid to never defend yourself from charges of being a nazi.
    But you are upset because tour fat brother was called low energy.

    – In 2000, GWB lost IA by 4000 votes and lost WI by about 5500 votes. In 2004, GWB won IA by 10000 votes and lost WI by about 11000 votes. I’d hardly call that conceding, especially since he campaigned there often.

  228. Jonesy says:

    Bush 1 picked C Thomas and WW2 Vet, but to publicly say he voted for socialist Hillary, is too much

  229. Tina says:

    Post 2004,he conceded the midwest, dumbarse,

    Obama won ohio and indiana in 2008.

  230. mnw says:

    I am by no means as down on W as some here. I thought toppling Saddam was a good idea. I might still think so… if Zero hadn’t withdrawn the residual U.S. military force required to preserve the victory & to give the nascent Iraqi government some breathing space.

    I prefer for war to be an away game.

  231. Wes says:

    Trump hasn’t helped himself by tacitly supporting Danny Tarkanian’s wrongheaded primary challenge to Dean Heller even though Heller has been more loyal than not. That is not the way to build support among GOP Senators.

  232. Tina says:

    Bush was and is so toxic that he left office with a 25 percent aporoval rate.

    But he now hangs out with the rapist and is not mite.

  233. mnw says:

    Wes

    I concede that Trump tacitly supported Ward, but not Tarkanian. If Trump is helping Tarkanian, I missed it. Bannon yes, but we saw in AL that Bannon & Trump are not joined at the hip.

  234. Wes says:

    Ohio was the only major Midwestern state Bush took an active interest in campaigning in. He gave local Republicans little to no help in Illinois, Michigan, and Minnesota, though admittedly he swept the smaller Midwestern states sans Iowa twice.

  235. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    November 5, 2017 at 3:49 pm
    “On top of that, the uranium was not and cannot be exported, and remained under the control of U.S. based subsidiaries of Uranium One.”
    Wrong. The permits were transferred through slick maneuvers, which was always going to happen when you involve Russians who are bribing officials and trucking companies.

    – And it will be flown off in black helicopters, right?

    As NRC explained in a March 2011 letter to Republican Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming, the Russian company would have to apply for and obtain an export license and “commit to use the material only for peaceful purposes” in accordance with “the U.S.-Russia Atomic Energy Act Section 123 agreement for peaceful nuclear cooperation.”

    In a June 2015 letter to Rep. Peter Visclosky, the NRC said it granted RSB Logistics Services an amendment to its export license in 2012 to allow the Kentucky shipping company to export uranium to Canada from various sources — including from a Uranium One site in Wyoming. The NRC said that the export license allowed RSB to ship uranium to a conversion plant in Canada and then back to the United States for further processing.

    Canada must obtain U.S. approval to transfer any U.S. uranium to any country other than the United States, the letter says.

    “Please be assured that no Uranium One, Inc.-produced uranium has been shipped directly to Russia and the U.S. Government has not authorized any country to re-transfer U.S. uranium to Russia,” the 2015 letter said.
    “That 2015 statement remains true today,” David McIntyre, a spokesman for the NRC, told us in an email.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/

  236. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 5, 2017 at 3:49 pm
    216. But Bill Clinton.
    Are you going to protect Rapist Bubba too Robbie?

    – Wasn’t he impeached?

  237. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 5, 2017 at 3:50 pm
    220. Fellate? Dirty sex talk like your heroes the Bush’s Robbie?

    – “Grab them by the p#ssy”. Dirty sex talk from your orange hero.

  238. Jonesy says:

    Simpleton comebacks as usual Robbie? sigh

  239. Tina says:

    Rich Lowry
    Rich Lowry
    @RichLowry
    ·
    6h
    Dianne Feinstein told Jake Tapper she hasn’t seen any evidence of Trump campaign/Russia collusion on hacked emails

    Frankenstein has said thus numerous times. The leftists want her off ticket for saying that.

  240. Wes says:

    Maybe I had it wrong, Mnw. Tarkanian claims Trump is supporting him over Heller, but that may be just talk.

  241. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 5, 2017 at 4:05 pm
    Simpleton comebacks as usual Robbie? sigh

    – I wanted to make sure it was on your level. Seems like I succeeded.

  242. Wes says:

    Sad to say Feinstein is the best California can get.

  243. Jonesy says:

    238. Voted for him twice and he did some great things, but he took a flyer on second term that gave us Obama.

    He is now a Hypocrite. Busting on the CIC from his own party on ethics, while his old man has become Chester the Molester.

  244. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 5, 2017 at 4:06 pm
    Maybe I had it wrong, Mnw. Tarkanian claims Trump is supporting him over Heller, but that may be just talk.

    – I do NOT believe Trump has said anything about Tarkanien. More than likely Tarkanien is assuming Trump supports him since Bannon, Mikey’s boy, supports him.

  245. Wes says:

    Obama turned GWB into a punching bag in 2008. GWB never responded. Now GWB attacks Trump.

    Clearly the Bushes aren’t big on consistency.

  246. Bitterlaw says:

    Church shooting in Texas. Developing. Same pointless argument in 3…2…1…

    Nothing will change.

  247. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 5, 2017 at 4:09 pm
    Obama turned GWB into a punching bag in 2008. GWB never responded. Now GWB attacks Trump.
    Clearly the Bushes aren’t big on consistency.

    – McCain asked GWB not to comment during the 2008 election. What was he supposed to do? Ignore the party’s nominee and just insert himself into the process? The fact GWB, as unpopular as he had become, stayed out of the race is jus about the only reason McCain was competitive until Lehman Brothers collapsed.

  248. Jonesy says:

    So this Saudi Prince who was ousted, payed for Obama’s Harvard tuition?

  249. Mr.Vito says:

    243 Are you dumb? That last statement is carefully worded to say “directly to Russia” or re-transfer directly to Russia. Your link confirms the hill article that it has left the United States through maneuvers, which could be replicated in Canada or elsewhere.

    On the other hand, maybe the Russians just felt like wasting a lot of money on all the bribery and kickbacks and there is nothing to investigate.

  250. Tina says:

    The nbc reporter in the latest flynn article is often a recipient of leaks from fusion.

    The smae group again going to court to stop disclosure of payments made to the msm

  251. Tina says:

    MARK SIMONE
    MARK SIMONE
    @MarkSimoneNY
    In what world would you try to put General Michael Flynn in jail, but let Bowe Bergdahl off?
    8:35 AM · Nov 4, 2017

    A jebot world.

  252. Mr.Vito says:

    The Hill

    “Yet NRC memos reviewed by The Hill show that it did approve the shipment of yellowcake uranium — the raw material used to make nuclear fuel and weapons — from the Russian-owned mines in the United States to Canada in 2012 through a third party. Later, the Obama administration approved some of that uranium going all the way to Europe, government documents show.”

    On black helicopters I guess…

  253. Mr.Vito says:

    “Uranium One’s American arm, however, emailed a statement to The Hill on Wednesday evening confirming it did export uranium to Canada through the trucking firm and that 25 percent of that nuclear fuel eventually made its way outside North America to Europe and Asia, stressing all the exports complied with federal law.”

  254. Mr.Vito says:

    Robbie: “On top of that, the uranium was not and cannot be exported, and remained under the control of U.S. based subsidiaries of Uranium One.”

    Vito: “Wrong. The permits were transferred through slick maneuvers, which was always going to happen when you involve Russians who are bribing officials and trucking companies.”

    Vito correct… Robbie wrong.

  255. Phil says:

    188

    No, Robbie. Rampant Clinton corruption refers to a whole host of out and out corruption over a twenty five year political career. Dozens of out and out corrupt practices, well documented and none of them made up by Fox to distract from anything. It’s the Clintons and the way they have consistently operated. You can’t have lived on this planet and not known that.

  256. Tina says:

    Rottie destroyed.

  257. JC says:

    Jeez, I have friends who live in Sutherland. Fortunately they are all okay.

  258. Bitterlaw says:

    I think the Denver Broncos’ offense and defense boycotted today’s game.

  259. Bitterlaw says:

    Get out the usual playbook:

    Democrats will call for more “gun control.”

    Republicans will say “nothing could have stopped this.”

    Throw in some joke about banning knives or cars.

    Run a few stories about the victims.

    Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

  260. Mr.Vito says:

    You forgot the advice from non-Americans and the false flag crap.

  261. mnw says:

    Wes.

    RE: Tarkanian & Trump

    You may have it right, too.

    I’m not sure; I just haven’t seen it.

    I don’t have a clue who will win the VA election on Tuesday. BUT I do have a STRONG hunch about something unrelated: I predict, for better or worse, that neither McSally nor Salmon will run for AZ Senate. I just think they will read that Ward-internal which I posted above at 148, & look at their IWN polling, and conclude : the hell with it. It’s too late & too risky.

  262. mnw says:

    OWN polling

  263. Bitterlaw says:

    Thanks, Mr. Vito. I know Alex Jones will be hunting for the conspiracy theories tonight.

  264. Tina says:

    The same nbc reporter who wrote the flynn story indicated that 5he oerson would cooperate. Warner, a drat, says he will not.

  265. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Bitterlaw’s helplessness is sad and pathetic.

    Why don’t you give into the depression and put a bullet in your own head?

    Let the new generation that is willing to let evidenced-based, balanced policy be enacted instead of living in your lie-infused baby boomer world where Reagan is a god.

  266. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Rumor Time:

    According the Observer:

    #texaschurchshooting shooter is 29 year old US marine turned muslim convert, Samir Al-Hajeed. His manifesto is making its rounds on the web

    Bitter: Your Dem. Senator,B. Casey, is the first to call for more gun control.
    How will his changed positions on abortion and gun control play next year in his re-election bid?

  267. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #277
    Mr. Wissing
    This post is beyond the pale!

  268. mnw says:

    BL 274

    I agree. I’ve thought that for a long time. Particularly during the first hour. The Brits always just get there “the fastest with the mostest.” (h/t Nathan Bedford Forrest)

  269. Bitterlaw says:

    TPW – I love a good deranged rant as much as the next person but can you be a little specific on why I was the target of that one?

  270. Cash Cow TM says:

    PRINCE ALA-WEED ARRESTED IN ARABIA!

  271. Cash Cow TM says:

    Nutjobs everywhere.
    Even in TX.
    SMH.

  272. Cash Cow TM says:

    In VA, if Gillespie wins, will it be because he benefited from Trump being out of the country?
    #################################################
    Or if Gillespie loses, will it be because Trump was out of the country and not campaigning for G in VA?
    ____________
    Truck driving Allahu Akbar whackjob killer of innocents in NYC will benefit Gillespie.

    Donna Brazile revelations about crooked Hillary will benefit Gillespie.

    Shooting in TX will benefit Gillespie too.

    God only knows what insanity will come between now and Tuesday when VA voters head to polls–and which candidate that might help/hurt.
    *******************************************
    DW,

    Is there a great voter drive on college campuses in VA?
    (If so, that would benefit Northam.

    Also, what about overseas military votes? VA probably has a significant number of them…?

  273. Cash Cow TM says:

    If between now and Tuesday, Trump come back with a peace treaty with the NORKS it would benefit Gillespie…I guess…

    If Trump instead defects to North Korea…IDK…

  274. Bitterlaw says:

    Cash Cow – How does a mass killing in Texas help G?

    Also, I am neither a Baptist nor a Texan. I wonder if any members of the church had a gun with him or her.

  275. mnw says:

    Cow 284

    I agree about shootings in TX. The logic is curious, but I suspect valid: shootings = more gun control talk.

    There is a reason that Schumer recently asked his DEM colleagues to shut up about gun control, shortly after Las Vegas.

  276. Bitterlaw says:

    Despite TPW’s wish, I won’t be shooting myself. I don’t own a gun. It would be rude to borrow somebody else’s.

  277. Bitterlaw says:

    Also, I would not want my daughter or wife to find me like that.

  278. Phil says:

    Nobody in the Texas congregation had a gun on them? Are they sure this church is in Texas?

  279. mnw says:

    Whatever TPW is, he/she/it needs to be banned.

    There’s just no excuse whatsoever for posting death threats, Dave.

    Do it.

  280. Phil says:

    TPW is one sick puppy.

    He needs to just go away.

  281. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – I was thinking of you when I made the post. You used to say that shootings like this would not happen in Texas. Well, one just happened. Nobody is safe anywhere.

  282. Bitterlaw says:

    Let TPW stay. Better to keep the sick ones in plain sight.

  283. Phil says:

    Nope. No place is totally safe from the nut jobs any longer if they ever really were.

    Arm yourselves and shoot back.

  284. Bitterlaw says:

    We’ll find out soon enough if any of the victims were armed.

  285. mnw says:

    There is a veteran police officer who belongs to my church. (He attends a helluva lot more regularly than I do.) He never attends church armed.

  286. Tina says:

    The neighbor was armed amd emgaged the shooter, possibly shooting him in the neck.

  287. Tina says:

    Likely antifa member.

  288. Tina says:

    Shooter was found dead in car. Not sure if self inflicted r by church neighbor.

  289. Bitterlaw says:

    Sure, Tina. There are a lot of bible studies teachers in Antifa.

  290. dblaikie says:

    TPW needs to be banned from this website, plain and simple.

  291. Tina says:

    Steve Lookner ? @lookner
    Incorrect info by CNN’s @kaitlancollins. Local resident fired on shooter with resident’s own gun and that ended shooting, per authorities. https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/927323731160190977

  292. dblaikie says:

    I guess someone with a shot gun shot the shooter. Without that more people would have been killed.

  293. mnw says:

    dblaikie

    Yes. Your lips to God’s ear.

  294. Tina says:

    Bl, i only relaying the information out there.

    Not judging it.

  295. Tina says:

    His fb page says he is an athetist, but he taught sunday school?

  296. Jonesy says:

    Devin Kelly is the shooter. Booted from air Force with a Dishonorable discharge.

    Far Right thinks he is part of Antifa.

    Killed 14 year old daughter of Pastor

  297. Jonesy says:

    303. I agree. Is Pete Wilson Actually Canadian Cory?

    Same type of rage posts

  298. Mr.Vito says:

    Rand Paul has five broken ribs with three displaced fractures and lung contusions.

  299. Tina says:

    Cnn reporter has revised her account, got called out on twitter for fake news

  300. Tina says:

    I am surprised at rand, he was jumped from behind on his own property. I thought he per,it carrier.

  301. mnw says:

    Final Emerson poll:

    Northam 49 (nc)

    Gillespie. 46 (+2)

    Hyra 1 (-1)

  302. dblaikie says:

    I couldn’t believe that some reporter asked if the shooter was from a white para-military group. Let’s look at the facts. An Anglo Baptist Church is hardly the target for a white supremacist. I wouldn’t be surprised that 80 or more percent of the residents voted for Trump. So without knowing anything, it seems more likely that the shooter was an Antifa solider. And by the way, during all the riots over Trump, weren’t all the Antifa scum wearing black?

  303. Tina says:

    He could not lawfully have fgun, if dis, discharge.

    1968gun comtrol act.

  304. Mr.Vito says:

    Wasn’t Paul also at the baseball game shooting? Ugh.

  305. Bitterlaw says:

    311 Maybe it was the same mysterious person who killed JEB!’s campaign.

  306. dblaikie says:

    MMW I sincerely apologize I meant TPW. Sorry about that.

  307. Paul says:

    I appreciated Trump’s heartfelt statement from Tokyo. That is a big thing for me to say.

    And Tina, I don’t see anyone saying the shooter was antifa–whatever antifa means anyway.

  308. Paul says:

    I have sheot on my lawn.

  309. Bitterlaw says:

    Bold prediction – The shooter was not a white supremacist or a member of Antifa. He was also not a Muslim, Druid, Lesbian, Buddhist, or Wiccan.

  310. mnw says:

    dblaikie

    No, that’s what I thought you said.

    Anyway, “Trump Is Pete Wilson” is a reckless azalea & needs to be exiled to Outer Thule.

  311. Tina says:

    Yes, he was shot at during the baseball game.

    The neighnbor entered his property on a shared and unfenced section.

  312. Bitterlaw says:

    Refs ALMOST screwed the Redskins. Almost.

  313. Mr.Vito says:

    Donna Brazile to Critics: “Go To Hell”

  314. Tina says:

    If dis. Discharged, how did he have access to a firearm?

  315. Cash Cow TM says:

    Cow-pedia checked Wikipedia and it verifies what Tina said.

    Since 1968, a dishonorably discharged person can not legally own a gun.

  316. Tina says:

    Dis. Discharge is a felony offense, regardless of what offense is.

  317. Mr.Vito says:

    Maybe he got triggered by Bergdahl walking…

  318. Bitterlaw says:

    When is Ezekiel Elliot going to serve his suspension? What is President Trump doing about this?

  319. Tina says:

    National felons league loves felons, violators, and thugs.

  320. mnw says:

    “can no legally own”

    There is a GREAT scene in Kalifornia … I want to set this up right…

    A serial killer (Brad Pitt) has beaten his parole officer to death with a shovel & buried him.

    A young woman & her boyfriend have agreed to give the killer a cross-country ride.

    The woman says to her boyfriend, “How do we know he’s not an ex-con or something?”

    Her bf replies, “If he was an ex-con, he’d be on parole, and he wouldn’t be allowed to travel.”

  321. Bitterlaw says:

    Wrong again, Tina. The NFL handed down a 6 game suspension. The player, Elliot, keeps appealing to Federal court.

  322. Tina says:

    Bl, who cares.

  323. Tina says:

    No respect for the felons league.

  324. jason says:

    Wobbie’s MSM headline.

    CNN: Saudi corruption probe spells trouble for Trump.

    LOL

  325. mnw says:

    From a 30,000 foot perspective, Gillespie is to social conservatives what I am to Cordon Bleu cooking.

    Anyway… Go, Ed!

  326. Tina says:

    The one saudi arrested was a big time co tributor to the clinton fraud foundation.

    Just a minor detail to cnn

  327. jason says:

    I hear the Broncos scored 23 points against the Eagles. The game was blacked out here, and I am not giving the NFL any money.

    With their vaunted defense, should have been enough to win.

    I hope they won.

  328. Tina says:

    Wow, rand has 5 broken ribs. Serious.

  329. Tina says:

    Doug Stafford said it is unclear when Paul will return to work since he is in considerable pain and has difficulty getting around, including flying. Stafford said Sunday that the broken ribs include three displaced fractures, which can lead to life-threatening injuries. The severe pain can last for weeks or

  330. Tina says:

    Source abc

  331. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – I care. GFY.

    I say that with respect. You are tough – for a senior citizen.

  332. Bitterlaw says:

    I should bet jason on the game.

    Broncos QB sucks.

  333. Bitterlaw says:

    Of course, the Denver defense also sucked.

  334. Proud Obamacon says:

    Since its a white shooter, this is just the cost of freedom yall.

    If it was someone brown…..

  335. Chicon says:

    Bitter – nice game from Alshon today. Eagle bandwagon has to be getting full, eh?

  336. jason says:

    Wobbie to attack Feinstein in 3, 2, 1…

    @SenFeinstein tells @jaketapper on #CNNSOTU that she has seen no evidence that the Trump campaign got “dirt” on Clinton from the Russians

  337. jason says:

    Sounds like besides the offense and the defense Denver played well.

  338. Chicon says:

    Meanwhile, Robbie remains cracked. Does he wish that Hillary beat the Orange Man? I think so….

  339. Chicon says:

    349 – she’s clearly been a Trump Chump from way back, Jason.

  340. jason says:

    Since its a white shooter, this is just the cost of freedom yall.”

    Sounds like ObamaCON doesn’t support the Second Amendment.

    What a surprise

  341. jason says:

    352. LOL

  342. Proud Obamacon says:

    Sounds like jason supports the indiscriminate shooting of 20+ innocent souls.

    What a surprise

  343. Chicon says:

    355 – I think he supports someone in the crowd having a weapon and killing the piece of garbage before he could do what he wanted.

  344. Proud Obamacon says:

    That’s fine. So how exactly does a good guy kill the piece of garbage BEFORE he could do what he wanted?

  345. Phil says:

    “Sounds like Jason supports the indiscriminate shooting of 20+ innocent souls”

    That’s what it sounds like to you does it.

    Okie Dokie then.

  346. Proud Obamacon says:

    yeah that’s exactly what it sounds like. What should be done to prevent these mass shootings? Anyone? Bueller?

    Oh yeah, we can pray. And we can arm all the good guys. Got it. Great solutions, they really work great.

  347. Phil says:

    Tell you what, Ace. Why don’t you tell us.

    This ought to be good. We’re all ears.

  348. Proud Obamacon says:

    No answers, eh? Why am I not surprised. Bunch of geniuses yall are!

  349. Phil says:

    We’re waiting. Enlighten us. You’re solution ol mighty wise one.

  350. Proud Obamacon says:

    Has the Orange Moron gotten rid of the DIVERSARY lottery yet? That darned DIVERSARY!

  351. Proud Obamacon says:

    I asked for your solution, genius. Let’s hear it smart guy! We need to pray more? Deport brown people?

  352. Phil says:

    I don’t have any solutions, but you know what? Neither do you.

    Now F off.

  353. Proud Obamacon says:

    That’s sad. No solutions. Mass shootings becoming a regular occurrence and you have no solutions. You are a piece of work.

  354. Phil says:

    I have the same number of solutions that you have, genius. Oh wait, you and your liberal buddies can confiscate all the guns. Yeah, that will work….and while you’re at it get all the kitchen knives and motor vehicles. Man, why didn’t I think of that.

  355. Proud Obamacon says:

    Huh? What does that even mean, you are becoming unhinged. Easy fella!!

  356. Mr.Vito says:

    Our church has security and emergency plans. You need it these days.

  357. Phil says:

    Proud Obamacon accusing others of becoming unhinged. LOL Oh, the irony.

    Good night, moron. Ten minutes of my life I’ll never get back.

  358. Mr.Vito says:

    This church full of Texans could have had an armed guard… they just did not think it was necessary. Many more will now.

  359. Chicon says:

    Bitter, your guy, Cutler, looking good tonight.

  360. Proud Obamacon says:

    Damn Phil. Forces himself into a discussion, refuses to answer questions, throws out crazy accusations with no support, hurls personal insults, then complains about costing himself 10 minutes of his life. Say wha? Complete lightweight.

  361. Bitterlaw says:

    Chi- I watched The WLking Dead. I will see switch to the game. Corey/CG worships Cutler. I think he is a p*ssy.

    Alshon had some good plays today. He also had some drops. I guess that’s who he is.

  362. Bitterlaw says:

    I am tired of the mass shootings. I am also tired of the one on one shootings killing thousands in Chicago, LA, DC, Philadelphia, New York, etc.

    I honestly don’t expect the killing to ever stop. I just accept senseless slaughter as part of the cost of supporting the Second Amendment.

  363. Paul says:

    227: Tina, I did a search and I see no reputable sources for money from the Saudi prince funding Obama’s grad school. Further, it doesn’t even make sense. Obama was a nobody in 1988 when he started at Harvard. Just plain silly and I feel silly that I had to look it up.

  364. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina is not always right but she is always certain.

    She is one of my favorite posters.

  365. Proud Obamacon says:

    So Phil has no solutions and BitterLaw accepts senseless slaughter.

    Pathetic, folks.

  366. Bitterlaw says:

    There are too many guns now to ever make a difference by changing laws.

    What’s your solution ? Step up or you are also pathetic.

  367. Paul says:

    I do think some odd things are happening in Saudi Arabia but it has nothing to do with a 26-year-old community organizer heading to grad school.

  368. Chicon says:

    Bitter, Cutler is still good enough to look good while losing.

  369. Proud Obamacon says:

    Oh I don’t know, maybe we can actually have an adult conversation about all this carnage without yall screaming about commies, marxists, blah blah….

  370. Proud Obamacon says:

    I know I know.. everything is a slippery slope etc etc so we can’t even talk about it. Mowing down 20+ kindergarteners? 20+ praying church goers? 50+ at a concert? Oh well, *shoulder shrug* ….

  371. dblaikie says:

    Maybe we could have discussion if some folks would quit blaming firearms and engage why someone would do this. And by the way, most likely his gum was obtained illegally.

    Oh wee, let me start the discussion. Making new gun laws is like giving an antibiotic to an infection caused by a dirty splinter and then not removing the splinter.

    Good night folks.

  372. jason says:

    Zzzzzzzz… Marxists don’t want to have a serious conversation.

    They want to use tragedies to advance their political goals, which basically involves attacking and demonizing tens of millions of responsible gun owners. Truly despicable scumbags that follow Rahm Emmanuel’s “don’t let any crisis go wasted”.

    The facts are NONE of these attacks by nutcases would be avoided by the gun control measures proposed, they would only penalize legitimate gun owners. But of course that is the whole idea, Democrats always have the same M.O., protect the perpetrators and demonize the victims.

  373. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON is a typical Marxist that want only criminals to have guns.

    Brilliant!

  374. Paul says:

    I think these kind of shootings are just something we need to get used to in this country. Any discussions are usually pointless so lets just relax and stop fighting the inevitable.

  375. jason says:

    I was watching the Sky News election night Mr. Vito referenced.

    Larry Pressler was interviewed and said he voted for Hillary because she was a “fiscal conservative”.

    I hadn’t since anything so ridiculous since Corey said Hillary was a compromiser.

  376. jason says:

    Any discussions are usually pointless so lets just relax and stop fighting the inevitable.”

    Right, you got it.

    As an excuse to attack the second amendment, it’s pointless.

    You just want to use tragedies to advance your agenda.

    GFY.

  377. jason says:

    For Democrats, the ends always justify the means. Nothing is too low.

  378. Paul says:

    Not sure what is “too low” or what “means” you regard are bad. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

  379. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Today’s conservatism is a mental illness. Just think, when most of you idiots are dead and in hell, we’ll have some sensible gun regulation in the United States and most responsible gun owners will *gasp* still have guns.

    You’re so drunk on your Faux News false equivalence buying into the Antifa apocalypse nonsense to justify your own indolence and culpability in gun violence by opposing any and all measures to curb it.

    It’s going to be hot in hell dumb*sses.

  380. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Just look who Trump brought back. MNW thinks just because our president is a racist, he can show his snout again in public.

    Sorry, you’re stil a racist and like Trump, people like you are still despised by most Americans.

    Funny how a sh*tty Missouri “lawyer” can’t make the distinction between what an actual death threat is.

    What a stupid sh*t you are.

  381. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/16/gun_control_after_connecticut_shooting_could_australia_s_laws_provide_a.html

    “Twelve days later, Australia’s government did something remarkable. Led by newly elected conservative Prime Minister John Howard, it announced a bipartisan deal with state and local governments to enact sweeping gun-control measures. A decade and a half hence, the results of these policy changes are clear: They worked really, really well.

    “What happened next has been the subject of several academic studies. Violent crime and gun-related deaths did not come to an end in Australia, of course. But as the Washington Post’s Wonkblog pointed out in August, homicides by firearm plunged 59 percent between 1995 and 2006, with no corresponding increase in non-firearm-related homicides. The drop in suicides by gun was even steeper: 65 percent. Studies found a close correlation between the sharp declines and the gun buybacks. Robberies involving a firearm also dropped significantly. Meanwhile, home invasions did not increase, contrary to fears that firearm ownership is needed to deter such crimes. But here’s the most stunning statistic. In the decade before the Port Arthur massacre, there had been 11 mass shootings in the country. There hasn’t been a single one in Australia since.

    “There have been some contrarian studies about the decrease in gun violence in Australia, including a 2006 paper that argued the decline in gun-related homicides after Port Arthur was simply a continuation of trends already under way. But that paper’s methodology has been discredited, which is not surprising when you consider that its authors were affiliated with pro-gun groups. Other reports from gun advocates have similarly cherry-picked anecdotal evidence or presented outright fabrications in attempting to make the case that Australia’s more-restrictive laws didn’t work. Those are effectively refuted by findings from peer-reviewed papers, which note that the rate of decrease in gun-related deaths more than doubled following the gun buyback, and that states with the highest buyback rates showed the steepest declines. A 2011 Harvard summary of the research concluded that, at the time the laws were passed in 1996, “it would have been difficult to imagine more compelling future evidence of a beneficial effect.”

    So all you 2nd amendment radicals who think that some sensible gun control won’t work can go f*ck yourselves.

  382. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #394
    When we do this in the USA, I will request that YOU confiscate my firearms. Before then,please make certain that your Estate Plan is current!
    Also, your detestable post about Bitterlaw involved the use of a firearm.
    You are a last-class hypocrite!!!

  383. Paul says:

    My lawn is full of dog poo again

  384. SoHope says:

    Idiot Leftist: Look at all the these innocent people dead in TX because we republicans won’t restrict people from owning certain types of guns in the US.

    Idiot Alt-right: Look at all these innocent dead people in Manhattan because democrats won’t restrict people from having certain types of religion in the US.

  385. SoHope says:

    Evil people will find a way to do evil things standing on the graves of dead people to push unpopular policy is wrong.

  386. NYCmike says:

    “Just look who Trump brought back. MNW thinks just because our president is a racist, he can show his snout again in public.”

    -This statement makes me almost agree with the person who said CCCP Cory is back….will keep watch for more signs.

  387. NYCmike says:

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/11/does-the-republican-tax-plan-screw-democratic-voters.php

    -Yes, it probably does.

    BUT, I believe states like So Dakota should NOT subsidize my states’ high tax burdens, nor any other state with Democrats in charge.

    Hopefully, it will not hurt too much next April.

  388. NYCmike says:

    In regards to the church shooting, I am trying to figure out how long this shooting event went on before the shooter was engaged by the “good Samaritan”.

    I can’t help but think, when I am at Mass, how I would react if a shooting was to take place. My wife often gives me looks like “what is the problem?” but I am not sure if I should share these thoughts.

    Last Easter, there was a police officer stationed outside….but I would suspect that these b*st*rds would wait for any other Sunday, when people are not as engaged.

  389. MichiganGuy says:

    Gillespie 49.3%
    Northam 48.0%
    Hyra 2.7%.

    https://twitter.com/StatesPoll/status/927487148927934464

    I concur

  390. mnw says:

    MI Guy

    What IS that? Is it a poll, or a prediction based on other polls? I went to the site, & I still don’t know.

    Anyway, thx.

    A new & final Monmouth poll comes out today, I think.

  391. MichiganGuy says:

    mnw it’s a prediction.

  392. Paul says:

    Re rand paul

    Surprised that the offender was only charged with a misdemeanor. It should be a felony offense. In tx, somebody reported thst it would be two felonies.

  393. Tina says:

    Byron York ? @ByronYork
    Trump dossier: A says it checks out, cites B’s confirmation, who cites C’s confirmation. Except C never confirmed. http://ow.ly/B30d30gnyPe
    4:04 AM – Nov 6, 2017

    In short, a fake.

  394. mnw says:

    Paul

    I agree. In the 2 states I’m familiar with, it would definitely be a felony. The TX Grand Jury may still charge a felony later on.

  395. Tina says:

    I bet the guy had some mental illness and or on some thpe of potent medicarion.

  396. mnw says:

    I’m sure the KY states atty wants to make certain it’s charged EXACTLY like any other similar case in which the victim is not a celebrity/public official.

    Since 1963, assassinating (or attempt to) the PITUS has been a fed crime. No more treating Oswald like some regular old Saturday night bar fight TX killer.

    I think similar federal laws might be appropriate for Congress members, whether the motivation is political or not. People need to be made to think long and hard about the Graybar before they do stuff like this.

  397. Tina says:

    The latest scandal.

    Trump emptied the bowl of fish food for the koi in front of the japanese pm.

    Jebots will want to impeach.

  398. mnw says:

    New Q-PAC poll today:

    51-42 Northam over G.

    Last Q poll was 56-43.

  399. mnw says:

    New CNU poll:

    51-45 Northam over G. Says late deciders breaking for Northam.

  400. DW says:

    “DW,

    Is there a great voter drive on college campuses in VA?
    (If so, that would benefit Northam.”

    That is always the case. Dems always try to run up the college campus vote. Its just one of the things the GOP has to overcome.

  401. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #414
    The last CNU VA Governor’s poll a week ago showed Northam(D) +7. It is now +6 and CNU says that Northam has the momentum?

  402. DW says:

    414- that comment about Northam getting the late deciders is simply cheerleading. Regardless the top line numbers all of the polling in the RCP average where the pollster had a prior poll in the last month or so, the margins have gone in Ed’s favor.

    Emerson: N +5 to +3
    Quinnipiac: N +17 to +9
    Christopher Newport: N +7 to +6
    Polling Company: G +2 to G +3

  403. MichiganGuy says:

    Gillespie told supporters at a rally Sunday that Republicans were set to sweep statewide races.

    “We no longer just have momentum — we have the lead,”

    http://www.winchesterstar.com/associated_press/virginia/both-candidates-claim-momentum-in-virginia-governor-s-race/article_f0dc98a7-817e-5f10-b3fd-b3647a9ffe9b.html

  404. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – I would like to think that in a shooting situation, I would charge at him. Maybe others can get to him while he shoots at me. I’m indifferent to death anyway. Going out like that would probably get me the Softball Tournament that I want.

  405. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    I have thought that as well…..of course, (thankfully) I have NOT been faced with that real threat yet.

  406. mnw says:

    One certainly can’t accuse the “Northam Way Ahead!” pollsters of hedging their bets at the last minute, anyway.

  407. NYCmike says:

    https://hotair.com/archives/2017/11/05/richard-dreyfuss-son-says-kevin-spacey-groped-room-father/

    -I have to say, I don’t get this reaction by the son of Richard Dreyfuss. At 17 or 18 years old, the Dreyfuss kid should be able to punch Spacey right in the face, or grab him back by the b*lls and try to rip them from his person, or some violent act.

    What the heck is wrong with these people?

  408. DW says:

    “We no longer just have momentum — we have the lead,”

    Sounds like a possible reference to internal polling. Results will start being tabluated in about 34 hours.

  409. Phil says:

    Man, what happened to Quinn polling beginning in 2016?

    Their polling of swing states had Hilary up comfortably in all of them….and who on here believes Gillespie was ever 17 points behind in this race?

  410. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #426
    Sometime in 2016 Quinn’s founding poll Director retired. His replacement is obviously a hard core Lefty with an agenda.

  411. mnw says:

    One of the Wise Men at RRH says that the CNU poll, referenced above in 414, sample is 2/3 with college degree.

  412. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/tax-bill-trouble-senate/

    -“But “picking it apart” is exactly what Senator Ron Johnson is doing. Johnson doesn’t like the formula the House is using for the business tax “pass through” which would severely impact small businesses. “The House bill would count 70 percent of a pass-through business’s revenue as wages, taxed at the individual rate, with the remaining 30 percent taxed as a return on capital at a new rate of 25 percent.”

    “But Johnson argues that small businesses will wind up paying a blended rate of 35 percent, well in excess of the 20 percent tax rate the House bill sets for big companies classified as C-corps.””

  413. Redmen4ever says:

    In my tracking of party affiliation in Virginia polling, I’ve locked in at +4D (this average includes the Q Poll); the latest Q poll is +10D. By comparison, most recent Roanoke +3D, CNU +2D, Gravis +5D and Siena +3D.

    In Virginia, people do not register to vote by party. So, party affiliation can and does change. Think of gender. And don’t be so binary!

    To properly code party affiliation in the future, we will need 26 choices: LBRD (Libertarian, Bipartisan, Republican and Democrat) is just the start.

  414. NYCmike says:

    Is it NOT possible to lower the corporate tax rate to 15% or 20%?

    Why must there be a large overhaul, with so many moving parts?

    Keep
    It
    Simple
    Stupid

  415. DW says:

    So now that it appears all the final VA Gov polls are in, let’s look at the final predictions against the past results of the given pollster in a statewide race in VA (actual results in parenthesis):

    Emerson – Northam +3
    2016: Clinton +4 (+5.4)
    2013: McAwful +2 (+2.5)

    Quinnipiac – Northam +9
    2016: Clinton +12 (+5.4)
    2014: Warner +9 (+0.8)
    2013: McAwful +6 (+2.5)

    Rasmussen – Tie
    2013: McAwful +7 (+2.5)

    Christopher Newport – Northam +6
    2016: Clinton+6 (+5.4)
    2014: Warner +7 (+0.8)
    2013: McAwful +7 (+2.5)

    Trafalgar Group – Northam +1

    NY Times/Siena – Northam +3

    Gravis – Northam +5
    2016: Clinton +5 (+5.4)

    Polling Company – Gillespie +3

    Roanoke College – Tie
    2016: Clinton +7 (+5.4)
    2014: Warner +12 (+0.8)
    2013: McAwful +15 (+2.5)

    Suffolk – Northam +4

    Washington Post – Northam +5
    2016: Clinton +6 (+5.4)
    2013: McAwful +12 (+2.5)

    Hampton University – Gillespie +8
    2013: McAwful +6 (+2.5)

    Fox News – Northam +7

    Monmouth – Gillespie +1

    Observations:

    I am most troubled by the Emerson and Trafalger Group polling. Both show a very tight race with a slight edge to Northam. Both pollsters have a strong recent track record, although for Trafalger Group it was in other states.

    Quinnipiac has a history of inflating the D advantage.

    CNU nailed 2016, but inflated D numbers in 2014 and 2013.

    Roanoke has perhaps the best news for Gillespie, given their history of slanting D.

    On the whole, pollsters have done a better job in the presidential race of 2016 than in the last gov or senate race.

    As you can see many of the above don’t poll VA often or have never polled VA before.

  416. mnw says:

    FOX News poll just out:

    Northam. 48

    Gillespie. 43

  417. Chicon says:

    Mike, they need the bill to stay within a certain range of effect on revenue in order to pass it through reconciliation in the Senate (i.e., with 50+ votes).

  418. Trump says:

    “Despite the chaos, Trump has managed to push the most conservative agenda in a generation” – Los Angeles Times

    Morons. “Despite the chaos”, my as*!

  419. DW says:

    Wow, Rand Paul has five broken ribs. Bunu should learn not to hug him so hard.

  420. DW says:

    434 — another poll showing movement toward Ed.

  421. NYCmike says:

    Thanks, Chicon.

  422. mnw says:

    They’ll never pass it, imo. Too many “Queen For A Day” GOP Senators. DOA, imo.

    That’s the profound difference between the Congressional DEMs & the Congressional GOP. DEMs NEVER ONCE blocked anything Zero wanted, as far as I can remember.

  423. DW says:

    Moshem on RRH predicting Northam wins.

  424. Tina says:

    I am predicting a northam win too.

    -jebot

  425. Trump says:

    “This hitherto ideologically unmoored man has set in motion an administration arguably more conservative than Ronald Reagan’s. While the Congress controlled by his adopted party remains gridlocked, Trump is rolling back regulations and a number of the Obama administration’s most controversial achievements, including the internal structure of Obamacare and the Clean Power Plan. His foreign policy resets look increasingly sure-footed. His judicial nominees are uniformly conservative. It is inconceivable that any of the other leading Republican candidates from the 2016 cycle would have governed as boldly as Trump has.”

  426. Tina says:

    Abe dumped first.

    Cnn says trump did.

    Cnn havimg a bad news day in japan.

    Fake video

    Japanese car story.

    I am sure aka seltxer wil correct everything.

  427. DW says:

    link at rrh shows northern va the only part of the state where Northam outspending Gillespie.

  428. jason says:

    So what is Pete Wilson the moron troll’s point?

    That Australia doesn’t have a Second Amendment and their citizens don’t enjoy the same freedoms we have?

    Ok, granted.

    Now GFY.

  429. mnw says:

    DW 441

    RRH predictions are about 5-1 for Northam, based on my informal tally over the weekend.

  430. jason says:

    One certainly can’t accuse the “Northam Way Ahead!” pollsters of hedging their bets at the last minute, anyway.”

    Yesterday I predicted Quinn would have a CYA poll showing Northam up by 7 or 8. They came in with 9, they cut Northam’s lead in almost half.

    The 17 pt spread was an obvious agenda driven poll to try to dampen enthusiasm for Gillespie.

  431. janz says:

    #423. Salena Zito is one of best journalists around, especially in her in-depth commentaries regarding working people and communities outside the beltway.

  432. jason says:

    So all you 2nd amendment radicals who think that some sensible gun control”

    Dumb troll talks about “sensible gun control” and then shows link to confiscation of all guns.

    LOL

    The truth will set you free.

  433. janz says:

    I will be surprised if Northam wins, despite the polling favoring such a win.

  434. Redmen4ever says:

    Everybody was within the MOE in Virginia last year except one pollster. That pollster went overstated the candidate who paid for the Russian dossier. First letter of the pollster is somewhere between P and R.

    A simple explanation of the wide-range of this year’s final polls, is that we’re in an off-year and there is uncertainty about turnout. In my view, pollsters should (A) apply the weighting scheme to the same of Adults or of Registered Voters (which weights would be independent of the turnout model) and (B) then apply their Likely Voter screen. That is, let the turnout model be endogenous.

    Instead, they apply weights to the sample that survives their Likely Voter screen according to their professional judgment as to whether the last Presidential or the last off-year election’s demographic make-up should apply.

  435. mnw says:

    Monmouth poll is still out. That will be the last one, apparently.

  436. janz says:

    Trump’s comments echoed my own, about being glad someone had a gun to limit yestetday’s carnage.

  437. janz says:

    I wonder how the early VA voting is going – light or heavy lines?

  438. Cash Cow TM says:

    I say it will be Northam(burger with the caterpillar eyebrows)
    ############################################
    48.5% N
    47.3% G
    4.2% Liber-contrar-ian guy.

    Negative ads by both G and N will turn off some voters and drive more to the 3rd guy.

  439. jason says:

    Looks like the Tx shooter preached atheism online.

    But of course the fact the shooting occurred at a church is a coincidence.

  440. janz says:

    CC, That’s a razor-thin margin!

  441. jason says:

    The RCP VA data site is scary, only one Gillespie winning poll and two ties on the page.

    But it you take out the Quinn poll its relatively close, despite all the blue polls.

    I hope the optimists here are right.

  442. Bitterlaw says:

    What the heck is wrong with these people?

    Maybe it was so shocking and unexpected that he froze.

  443. Bitterlaw says:

    Have any candidates said that “the only poll that counts is on Election Day.”

    That kiss of death is my favorite.

  444. DW says:

    NFL grandstands starting to look like NASCAR’s empty bleachers.

    NASCAR’s huge blunder was to stop running it like an actual competition, and instead, ran with a driver-personality business model, much like professional wrestling. In other words, it moved from being a true sport to ‘sport entertainment’

    Fans walked away in droves.

  445. MichiganGuy says:

    Virginia Governor’s Race (Monmouth)

    Northam 47%
    Gillespie 45%

    https://twitter.com/MonmouthPoll/status/927566431302094848

  446. Jonesy says:

    Mich, where was Monmouth lat poll? Northam still way under 50

  447. DW says:

    463–not going to pretend that poll doesn’t matter. Their last one three weeks ago had Ed up 2 points. I know +2 and -1 is all in the range of normal sampling variation, but this is a disappointing poll and the first recent poll to show a trend toward Northam.

    It is going to be very close. I still think Ed Gillespie pulls it out.

  448. NYCmike says:

    “Maybe it was so shocking and unexpected that he froze.”

    -Did you read the link?

    He moved his seat twice, before Spacey went the final “inch”!

    “Unexpected” would be if Spacey grabbed him the first time, not the third time they were sitting next to each other.

  449. Jonesy says:

    Thing that sticks in my mind, is when these pollsters had Warner up 12 in 2014.

    DW, if GOP keeps Va State House, that holds for next redistricting in 2021 correct?

  450. Jonesy says:

    RRH has to be the biggest pants wetting site on the web.

    Of course they were all wrong, like our Bed
    wetter Robbie, in 2016

  451. mnw says:

    Jonesy

    Absolutely right about RRH. However, I am concerned that almost all the more recent polls are pointing the wrong way.

    I hope G’s statement about being in the lead (post 418) is based on some internal polling we haven’t seen.

  452. DW says:

    469 – they are pointing the wrong way, but with less of a ‘lead’ for Northam–so those polls don’t concern me. Monmouth concerns me.

  453. DW says:

    It is no accident that the RED-racing-horses logo of a horse is colored BLACK. It is a very gloomy place.

  454. Waingro says:

    Looks like late momentum is shifting to Northam’s way. A TON of pollster will have egg on their faces if Gillespie pulls this out.

  455. MichiganGuy says:

    “Gillespie is performing very strongly in the western region and may even eclipse Donald Trump’s 2016 majority there. Northam is doing about the same in Northern Virginia as Terry McAuliffe’s 2013 showing and is running slightly better than the incumbent did along the Chesapeake Bay. It’s all going to come down to the central part of the state. The counties surrounding the greater Richmond area are likely to determine the next governor,” said Murray.

    https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_VA_110617/

  456. Waingro says:

    Virginia Governor’s Race (Monmouth)

    Northam 47%
    Gillespie 45%

    https://twitter.com/MonmouthPoll/status/927566431302094848

    That is a lot of undecideds for a day-before-the-election poll. Still: momentum shift to Northam.

  457. Chicon says:

    Did Robbie ever tell us whether the VA race is a referendum on Trump? He should do so before the votes are cast.

  458. Waingro says:

    “It is going to be very close. I still think Ed Gillespie pulls it out.”

    Hope you are right, DW. But before Gillespie’s momentum shift a couple weeks ago, I was resigned to accepting the fact that VA was slowly but surely becoming a blue state on a statewide level.

    As bad as a candidate as Northam has been, him pulling this out by a few points or whatever, reaffirms that.

  459. DW says:

    Here are some examples of Dem cheerleading done by ‘Republicans’ on RRH from election night 2016:

    MosheM November 8, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    Per CNN, Jason Kander is ahead in the early exit polls. This would be a huge pickup for the Dems. https://t.co/VXR55xrwXT

    Missouri
    28, M, R, NY-10

  460. Waingro says:

    #476, I’m sure Robbie will be going BONKERS in here with I-told-ya-so posts directly after a Northam win.

  461. MichiganGuy says:

    NT

  462. DW says:

    GorrestFump November 8, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    Exits look good for Clinton/McGinty.