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Moore Collapses in AL, Jones/Moore Now Tied

I wish I had waited a few hours before my earlier post because then I could have instead posted this new poll done from Opinion Saavy that was done completely after the latest report about Roy Moore.

US SENATE – ALABAMA (OS)
Roy Moore 46%
Doug Jones 46%

There has been some chatter about a Luther Strange write-in campaign. IN that case, DOug Jones would move slightly into the lead.

US SENATE – ALABAMA (OS)
Doug Jones (D) 44%
Roy Moore (R) 42%
Luther Strange (I) 12%

This poll was done November 9th among likely voters. You have to think even with this poll happening after the release, there are a number of voters who might not have heard the entire story at the time this poll was taken and there is even more room for Moore to collapse even further in the next few days….

Posted by Dave at 2:40 pm
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864 Responses to “Moore Collapses in AL, Jones/Moore Now Tied”

  1. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1st.

  2. jason says:

    All these troubles stem from the fact Roy Moore is a horrible candidate to start with.

    AL had a perfectly good incumbent, a conservative and Trump supporter, endorsed by the President.

    Instead they nominate a person known to consider himself above the law, who lost his position as chief justice (who took an oath to obey the Constitution) not once, but twice.

    I am skeptical about the latest allegations. But it doesn’t change the fact none of this had to happen, and the NYCs of this board who kept saying “I can support any Republican” were stupid and shortsighted. Everyone here and every elected R in the country should have made clear Roy Moore did not represent the party.

    The Akin, CODs, Mourdocks, Bucks of this world will always find a way to self destruct.

    Moore is putting at risk a seat Strange would have won by at least 30 points.

    The Democrats are lucky Rs are so stupid sometimes.

  3. NYCmike says:

    Unless there is more information, these polls are coming out rather quickly, considering the news just dropped 24 hours ago.

    It all seems very coordinated……

  4. jason says:

    I would hate to lose this seat, but if it will keep Bannon from trying to nominate more political suicide deadenders maybe its the price that should be paid.

  5. NYCmike says:

    jason, as usual, gets it wrong.

    Mo Brooks was the person, if I had a vote, whom I would have voted for……BUT, McConnell decided to spend $$$ going after him in the jungle primary, which pushed him down to 3rd place.

    Maybe Mitch should have stayed out of it in the first place……

  6. jason says:

    It all seems very coordinated……”

    I don’t doubt it.

    But it doesn’t change the fact Roy Moore should never been allowed to run.

    The party should have said look if you can’t obey the law as Chief Justice you are not fit to run for the senate. But because some of them agreed with his positions on the monument and on gay marriage they gave him a pass. I agreed with him on the monument too, but the courts decided otherwise and he swore an oath to the Constitution, and the Constitution is clear that in this case there was no separate state law that could prevail. The case was over.

  7. NYCmike says:

    Moore would have won except for these unproven allegations. He has NOT done anything currently which would have changed that (so far).

    Akin, Mourdock, Buck, Angle ALL said or did things AFTER the primary which turned the electorate against them. They were at fault.

    As of this moment, with the evidence we have, Moore is getting railroaded.

  8. jason says:

    ason, as usual, gets it wrong.

    Mo Brooks was the person, if I had a vote, whom I would have voted for”

    You defended this scumbag over and over here with the “I will support any R and I didn’t read what he did in the past” BS.

  9. jason says:

    Moore is getting railroaded”

    Maybe, but the fact he is known not to have any respect for the rule of law is exactly the kind of reputation you don’t want in cases like this.

  10. NYCmike says:

    “You defended this scumbag over and over here with the “I will support any R and I didn’t read what he did in the past” BS.”

    -Yes, because I disagree with your opinion that he should NOT be able to run.

    That does not mean I would vote for him in that original primary. I wanted Brooks, since he had already shown he could win a federal position as representative. He was safer than Moore.

  11. jason says:

    Moore is a bad candidate. Period.

    And maybe he is getting railroaded.

    Both can be true.

    But in his favor, I would take this poll with a grain of salt. It’s not what people think right after the aftermath, it’s what they think after they have had time to assess the facts.

    Moore is not done yet. But either way, he should never have been allowed to run or even belong to the party.

  12. NYCmike says:

    Unless there is more informationevidence to be had, I don’t see why Moore should bow out.

    I hope he wins if that is the case.

  13. jason says:

    wanted Brooks”

    What was the problem with Strange, who was Trump’s choice at a time Trump needs support in the senate?

  14. DW says:

    According the official version of Ted Kennedy’s story — he barely knew Mary Jo, but he offered to give her a ride back to the ferry from the party.

    This suggests Ted knows the route, which seemingly contradicts his later testimony that he got lost and made a wrong turn.

    Furthermore, another tidbit that is curious….Mary Jo didn’t tell any of her friends she was leaving the party–and she left behind, at the party, her purse and her hotel key.

    Also odd is the fact that Kennedy apparently had his driver right there who could have taken Mary Jo back — but according to Ted, he was still finishing his meal–at 11:15 pm.

    Given Kennedy’s lifelong reputation for womanizing that its possible that after the meal the booze was flowing and all of them having gotten a little buzzed, Ted and Mary Jo slip out go down to the beach for a quick one, explaining why she never told her friends she was departing with Ted; explaining why she left behind her purse and hotel key–because she was coming back in 30 minutes; explaining why Ted’s driver wasn’t needed; explaining why the turn right was the intended turn, rather than the left turn to the ferry; explaining why Ted was driving a little fast, given the conditions; explaining why the examiners after her body was recovered found she only had slacks on from the waist down; and explaining Kennedy’s odd behavior after the crash.

    If his official story was true, that he was sober, and driving her back to the ferry as a favor, then there was no reason at all to be ashamed to go ask for help having crashed off the bridge.

  15. Robbie says:

    There should be no place in the Republican Party for a disgraceful human being like Roy Moore. I hope he loses. And if he should win, I hope the Senate refuses to seat him. They have it their power to do so.

    It will be interesting to watch if the “conservatives” suddenly find their consciences and call on Moore to quit if he begins to fall behind in the polling. That will tell you all you need to know.

  16. Robbie says:

    Kat Timpf?
    @KatTimpf

    Quick reminder that if you only have a problem with predatory men when they’re in the opposite political party then you’re garbage.

  17. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 10, 2017 at 3:02 pm
    Unless there is more information, these polls are coming out rather quickly, considering the news just dropped 24 hours ago.
    It all seems very coordinated……

    – Ten more stories could out between now and Monday and you still wouldn’t believe them. You’d just claim it was a coordinated smear job.

    Good ole Roy’s fine with you because he hates McConnell and he has a R next to his name.

  18. Phil says:

    This could just about finish any tax bill. It was iffy getting Republicans to hang together with 52 votes on anything. Less likely they do so with 51 votes.

    Good luck getting traction in the 2018 elections. Republicans running on the montra a party that can’t govern are going to get sliced and diced at the polls.

    Won’t bother guys like McCain, Flake, Sasse, and Corker a bit. They’ll be MSM heroes. Much more important to those guys than keeping the left from taking control of Congress in the next election.

  19. Tina says:

    We have to wait about the polling. This seems to be a quick release poll, one day?

  20. DW says:

    How about wait to know for sure whether or not Moore is a predatory man?

    It is a sick mind that concludes someone is guilty without proof. I don’t like Moore and wish he had not won the primary vote. But if this is the standard now, then ANY election the Dems wish to win will only cost them a few thousand bucks for a woman willing to accuse.

  21. DW says:

    reposting this from the thread below…a great question:

    Mark Levin: “How did the WaPo know there were four women, who they were, and how to contact them?… A Washington Post reporter just happens to be in Alabama talking to Roy Moore supporters… And he happens to hear what no one has reported in 38 years, no political opponents – No one… That Roy Moore, 38 years ago, made advances to teenage girls. Four of them. Now, the four girls do not know each other, they have never met. Yet the person who the Post reporter happened to run into and speak to, the person who supposedly told the reporter the story about the four girls, happened to know all four girls and how to contact them?
    Seriously?”

  22. Tina says:

    Primce Bandar, the bush lover, was arrested by the saudis apparentky.

  23. Phil says:

    I know, Tina.

    Don’t worry, Senator Doug Jones will no doubt mirror his constituent wishes over the next four years. Just kidding. He knows he is toast when his next election comes around in 2020. He’ll be Schumer’s puppet for the next four years. McCain will love it.

  24. Tina says:

    Nsrc pulls funding from moore.

  25. Tina says:

    Its a snap poll, high moe. Will wait for a more reputabke poll.

  26. Wes says:

    If anything, this should cause Republicans to be wary of Bannon-backed candidates in the future.

  27. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    November 10, 2017 at 3:56 pm
    How about wait to know for sure whether or not Moore is a predatory man?
    It is a sick mind that concludes someone is guilty without proof. I don’t like Moore and wish he had not won the primary vote. But if this is the standard now, then ANY election the Dems wish to win will only cost them a few thousand bucks for a woman willing to accuse.

    – I share Mitt Romney’s view. Innocent until proven guilty is for a court of law. This is politics. If you want to start a legal defense fund for good ole Roy, great. More power to you.

    I want to see the Republican Party field a candidate that can make the party proud. I don’t want to see the party field a candidate who has been accused of pedophilia and who can easily be caricatured and made a part of every 2018 race.

    Do you want the Democrats have the ability to claim in 2018 the Republicans turned a blind eye to pedophilia? That’s a real winner, isn’t it?

  28. Wes says:

    I’m with Tina. If Moore continues to be in a dogfight with Jones, then we know this has staying power. If not, then the worst is probably over.

  29. Robbie says:

    Mark Levin’s defense of Roy Moore is the type of shamelessness that has come to define his career in radio.

  30. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:05 pm
    I’m with Tina. If Moore continues to be in a dogfight with Jones, then we know this has staying power. If not, then the worst is probably over.

    – He’s been in a dogfight with Jones from the start because he is a scumbag and a lousy candidate.

  31. Robbie says:

    Think about what the phrase “if true” means? It means if Moore is a pedophile. We’re not talking about whether he cheated on his taxes or got a DUI as a 25 year old and didn’t mention it. “If true” means he committed a sex crime.

    There are still 32 days until the election. The state party has the ability to throw Moore off the ballot. They should do so immediately. The they can file a court challenge with the law that mentions 76 days. If that can’t work, then call a special session and have the Alabama legislature rewrite the law. Republicans control every part of government.

  32. Bitterlaw says:

    Good to see that Phil now has a derangement syndrome. His is based on McCain. Wes has the Bush family. Robbie has Trump. Tina has McConnell and Ryan. I have Confederates.

  33. Bitterlaw says:

    I forgot Jason. He has alpaca derangement syndrome.

  34. Phil says:

    Everyone needs a passion.

  35. Tina says:

    I despise gope aka ryanos aka deadenders in the senate aka losahs.

  36. Robbie says:

    On Sean Hannity’s crappy radio show, good ole Roy denied ever having met the 14 year old girl who claimed molestation.

    Good ole Roy is almost certainly lying.

  37. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:16 pm
    I despise gope aka ryanos aka deadenders in the senate aka losahs.

    – I despise conspiracy theorists and people who can’t type in complete sentences.

  38. Phil says:

    “almost” ?

  39. Tina says:

    Muh russia

    Muh wire

    Brokered convention.

  40. Tina says:

    almost?

    Lol

  41. Robbie says:

    Totally normal for a guy in his 30’s to date girls in their teens.

    Steve Peoples?
    @sppeoples

    Roy Moore denies anything inappropriate: “After my return from the military I dated a lot of young ladies.”

  42. Tina says:

    Fox News
    Fox News
    @FoxNews
    .@nedryun: “At a certain point you’re wondering, ‘Mitch McConnell, are you trying to do a kamikaze attack on Trump’s agenda or are you just monumentally stupid and inept?” @dailybriefing

  43. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:19 pm
    “almost” ?

    – I’m not interested in a court of law. If you want to set up a legal defense fund for good ole Roy, go ahead. This is the court of politics. In the court of politics, he’s a scumbag and a disaster for the party.

  44. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:23 pm
    Fox News
    Fox News
    @FoxNews
    .@nedryun: “At a certain point you’re wondering, ‘Mitch McConnell, are you trying to do a kamikaze attack on Trump’s agenda or are you just monumentally stupid and inept?” @dailybriefing

    – Ned Ryan is the biggest pro-Trump idiot on cable news. He’s Jeffrey Lord without the Reagan lust.

  45. DW says:

    “Good ole Roy is almost certainly lying.”

    Based on what exactly?

  46. Phil says:

    If you want to automatically buy in to your objective friends at the WP than have at it. It’s what you do.

  47. Phil says:

    …based on the heard hitting objective journalism at the WP of course.

  48. Phil says:

    LOL hard hitting

  49. Tina says:

    Hooklieandsinker.

  50. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:25 pm
    “Good ole Roy is almost certainly lying.”
    Based on what exactly?

    – The details in the story the woman provided about offering a ride home while her mother was in court. The dates line up.

    But let me turn the question around. Based on what is good ole Roy telling the truth?

  51. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:25 pm
    If you want to automatically buy in to your objective friends at the WP than have at it. It’s what you do.

    – And it you want to stick your head in the sand any time bad news comes out for the party, go right ahead.

  52. Phil says:

    Yeah, based on what is Roy telling the truth? If he can’t prove his innocence hang him. Robbie doesn’t tell us how he is supposed to go about proving his innocence but what the heck.

  53. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:28 pm
    …based on the heard hitting objective journalism at the WP of course.

    – Let’s see if good ole Roy sues the Washington Post. If this is a slander, then he should do just that. But I bet he never does because he doesn’t want discovery done against him. he just wants to smear the accuser and hope the lapdogs follow right behind him.

    That said, I’ll take the reporting of the Washington Post over some of crap sources I see routinely posted here like Gateway Pundit or Breitbart or Fox n Friends.

  54. Phil says:

    So if a student accused me of inappropriate behavior I would have needed to resign y position if I couldn’t prove I’m innocent?

  55. Wes says:

    Is there video of Moore in a car with the girl? That would be enough evidence he’s lying about having met her at least–and would undermine his credibility in denying the allegations as well.

  56. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:32 pm
    Yeah, based on what is Roy telling the truth? If he can’t prove his innocence hang him. Robbie doesn’t tell us how he is supposed to go about proving his innocence but what the heck.

    – I don’t give a rats rear end how he is supposed to defend himself. This is politics. This is not a court of law. Too bad for good ole Roy. Maybe if he wasn’t a scumbag, this kind of crap wouldn’t be swirling around him?

    If you want to set up a legal defense fund and sit in the courtroom to make sure good ole Roy get’s a fair chance to prove he’s innocent, go right ahead.

    This is politics. The standard is far different. You may not like it, but I’m not willing to go to war and ruin the party just so some scumbag accused of molestation can make his case on the back on the Republican Party.

  57. Phil says:

    LOL

    You ALWAYS automatically take the word of the WP, NYT, CNN and all the other MSM outlets. What’s new with that?

  58. Wes says:

    As I said earlier, I had to go to the courthouse recently on a trivial matter. While there, I had a brief conversation with a young, attractive ADA.

    That absolutely must mean we had sex and she should resign her position for impropriety. 🙄

    Robbie, I hear you groped a stewardess recently. The dates line up. Clearly you’re guilty and must surrender your pilot’s license post haste.

  59. Tina says:

    I love. Uh russian reporting drom the wp too.

    Jebot

  60. DW says:

    50 – based on the fact that Roy Moore has been a public figure for how many years now, with many, many opponents who would have given their left arm to take him down, and no dirt on him has ever surfaced before.

  61. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:34 pm
    So if a student accused me of inappropriate behavior I would have needed to resign y position if I couldn’t prove I’m innocent?

    – Phil, they didn’t just throw some odd charge against him that lacked any substance. The story is extremely well reported. The woman has intimate details about what he did and WHEn he did it.

    It’s not like Sean Hannity claiming on his show that Hillary has a degenerative brain disease like he did during the campaign.

  62. Wes says:

    I’m not willing to set the precedent that Democrats can use spurious allegations to derail any and dvery Republican’s political candidacy.

    If we watch Moore go down in flames on specious allegations, where does it end?

    If he’s guily, he deserves no support.

    If not, he doesn’t deserve to be a victim of chracter assassination.

  63. Tina says:

    Deborah gibson is actively supporting the drat.

  64. Wes says:

    Robbie is right in saying Moore is a scumbag. He’s not right in saying Moore deserves to lose because of an unsubstantiated allegation.

  65. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:37 pm
    LOL
    You ALWAYS automatically take the word of the WP, NYT, CNN and all the other MSM outlets. What’s new with that?

    – Yep. And predictably, you always claim fake news. You have chosen to go with “fake news” every time there’s a story you don’t like.

  66. Phil says:

    Exactly, Wes. Where does it end?

    Heller, you’re next.

  67. Tina says:

    The stiry is not well reported.

    Lol

    One of the 3 nothinburgers is active with hillary and the drat candidate.

  68. Wes says:

    Why did this never come out in 2003 or 2012? Moore was hardly unknown then. It would have torpedoed him either time.

    Why now?

    It doesn’t add up.

  69. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:38 pm
    As I said earlier, I had to go to the courthouse recently on a trivial matter. While there, I had a brief conversation with a young, attractive ADA.
    That absolutely must mean we had sex and she should resign her position for impropriety. ?
    Robbie, I hear you groped a stewardess recently. The dates line up. Clearly you’re guilty and must surrender your pilot’s license post haste.

    – Go ahead and make the claim. Problem is you won’t find anyone who can make the story. The story against good ole Roy has a woman with a detailed account that features dates, times, phone numbers, and actions.

  70. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:39 pm
    50 – based on the fact that Roy Moore has been a public figure for how many years now, with many, many opponents who would have given their left arm to take him down, and no dirt on him has ever surfaced before.

    – Based on the fact Harvey Weinstein has been a public figure for many years now.

  71. DW says:

    I don’t know if Roy Moore is telling the truth or not. Nobody but Moore and this woman know the truth. But the fact that flatly denies it and is suing for defamation says something.

    Again, if the new precedent is that everyone is guilty on the basis of an accusation alone, then the Dems have won every election going forward already. Gillespie was guilty of running kids over with his truck, because after all, he was accused wanting to do so.

  72. Wes says:

    Roy Moore is Harvey Weinstein now.

    Weinstein was a powerful Hollywood mogul who either bought off or intimidated people to cover his ass.

    Roy Moore was a largely hated judge whose own peers wanted him off the court.

    The two are exactly equivalent.

  73. Tina says:

    Thw wp reporter ahould have noted that nothinburger was active in the drat campaign, right?

  74. DW says:

    I wasn’t aware Harvey Weinstein was a politician with political enemies.

  75. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:43 pm
    Why did this never come out in 2003 or 2012? Moore was hardly unknown then. It would have torpedoed him either time.
    Why now?
    It doesn’t add up.

    – Why did all of the Harvey Weinstein accusers wait so long? Why did all of the Mark Halperin accusers wait so long? Why did all of the Kevin Spacey accusers wait so long? It doesn’t add up.

  76. Jonesy says:

    Kind of ironic that Scumbag John McCain, cheated on his first wife, the same year (1979) as the Moore crap.

    At least Moore’s wife is sticking by him

  77. Phil says:

    …and you cite your MSM pals every time it suits you. It’s CNN or the Washington Post. IT MUST BE TRUE AND OBJECTIVE BECAUSE THEY ADHERE TO JOURNALSISTIC STANDARDS.

    No agenda whatsoever. None.

    Unlike you I consider the source and don’t blindly just accept it. I’m still waiting for their so called standards.

  78. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:46 pm
    Kind of ironic that Scumbag John McCain, cheated on his first wife, the same year (1979) as the Moore crap.
    At least Moore’s wife is sticking by him

    – Kind of ironic that Bill Clinton cheated on his wife in the late 1970’s. At least Clinton’s wife is sticking by him.

  79. Tina says:

    VIETNAM – Canada has blown a trade pact with Australia and nine other nations out of the water after snubbing a leader’s meeting and making a raft of last minute demands.

    All 11 trade ministers from the Trans-Pacific Partnership countries including Canada had agreed on a “substantial conclusion” to the deal. It was to be signed off by leaders on the sidelines of the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Vietnam on Friday evening.

    Tpp blown up by the canadian blunderkid.

  80. Tina says:

    I love hillary.

    Jebot.

  81. Phil says:

    You mean the WP left out the fact that one of the women was a partisan Democrat and active in Hillary’s campaign?

    Color me shocked. Shocked I say!

  82. Jonesy says:

    Wes, Robbie as usual does not see the real big picture here.

    If Moore is pushed out against his will and no admission to wrongdoing , the GopE will get massacred in 2018, even if a write in wins.

    And Yes, I do not like this polling, but will wait until a real pollster, not Robbie MSM hacks,like Trafalgar polls it

  83. Chicon says:

    56 – answer the question. How does a politician in this position – whoever it is – go about showing the voters the allegation is untrue?

    I assume you’re smart enough to know that the standard you’re setting is impossible, and leaves an opening to remove anyone from any race at any time. Do you this is a good idea.?

  84. DW says:

    Someone brought up Ted Stevens earlier. This is an important reminder of the lengths Dems will go to win. Chappaquiddick is another. The entire state of Massachusetts along with the judge, the DA, and Mary Jo’s parents made an eyes open decision to just look the other for political reasons. So you tell me that it is just a coincidence that right before the special election this stuff just happens to come out when Moore’s political enemies would loved to have had this information for the last several decades?

    yeah, I am skeptical. And I personally don’t like Moore. But I like public lynchings even less.

  85. Jonesy says:

    Robbie voted for Hillary, so did Corey. Of course they like her

  86. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:46 pm
    …and you cite your MSM pals every time it suits you. It’s CNN or the Washington Post. IT MUST BE TRUE AND OBJECTIVE BECAUSE THEY ADHERE TO JOURNALSISTIC STANDARDS.
    No agenda whatsoever. None.
    Unlike you I consider the source and don’t blindly just accept it. I’m still waiting for their so called standards.

    – No. You reject out of hand any reporting from news sources you don’t like if it goes against what you want to hear. This forum has been doing that for years.

    Funny how we all love stories from NYT, WaPo, or CNN when they’re positive for Republicans, but we claim fake news when they aren’t positive for Republicans.

    The only reason good ole Roy is getting the benefit of the doubt here is because he’s a Republican. If he was a Democrat, he’d be a pariah around here.

    Good luck watching Republicans have to answer claims in 2018 they turned a blind eye to pedophilia because they stood by Moore.

  87. Phil says:

    “at least Clinton’s wife is sticking by him”

    Wow, Robbie. Such love and devotion.

  88. Tina says:

    I am triggered by putin, trump at apec shaking hands.

    Jebot

  89. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:50 pm
    You mean the WP left out the fact that one of the women was a partisan Democrat and active in Hillary’s campaign?
    Color me shocked. Shocked I say!

    – And you conveniently leave out the fact the 14 year old said he voted Republican in the last three presidential elections including for Trump.

    Color me shocked.

  90. Jonesy says:

    McConnell made a huge mistake here. he should have pressured Moore off Camera. would have made it better for a write in.

  91. DW says:

    84 – I guess we didn’t realize how easy it would have been to get rid of Bill Clinton when he was in office…just accuse him of having sex in the oval office with an intern, and that accusation alone would be enough to find him guilty and force him to resign….wait…what’s that? Oh, never mind.

  92. Jonesy says:

    90. He?

  93. Tina says:

    I wonder how often bill and thighness wake up in the same bed?

  94. Tina says:

    They are scrubbing their social medias.

    The one claimant has tax, bks, multipke spouses, etc.

  95. Chicon says:

    70 – do you really think we couldn’t find anyone you’ve ever worked with – or even come across socially – to say you did something bad in return for $10k? To you, it is irrelevant if it is true.

  96. Phil says:

    How about that story by the NYT regarding McCain’s alleged affair right after he sewed up the 08 nomination?

    No agenda there. Your boys at the NYT would never stoop to throwing crap out there to effect an election? Why, they’re MSM. Above reproach.

  97. Tina says:

    Has mccain, safe space flakey sassehole, etc. spoke up about mendendez and the prostitutes?

  98. DW says:

    Still waiting for Robbie to answer Mark Levin’s great question, posted in #21 above.

  99. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:50 pm
    56 – answer the question. How does a politician in this position – whoever it is – go about showing the voters the allegation is untrue?
    I assume you’re smart enough to know that the standard you’re setting is impossible, and leaves an opening to remove anyone from any race at any time. Do you this is a good idea.?

    – Frankly, I’m not interested in how good ole Roy defends himself. This is politics, not a court of law.

    I’m worried about the party. I’m not worried about a scumbag. And isn’t it strange these kinds of stories only seem to pop up around scumbags?

  100. Jonesy says:

    Mitch M was not behind this, but he and the RNC were looking for any excuse to take down Moore anyways.

    The GOP will need the most honest likeable person with name ID they can get at this point, if Moore backs out. Not Strange, not Never Trumper Roby.

  101. DW says:

    And lets not forget old Dan Rather and his botched attempt to forge documents to take down Bush43.

  102. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:51 pm
    Robbie voted for Hillary, so did Corey. Of course they like her

    – I know you feel a compulsion to lie, but I did not vote for Hillary.

  103. Tina says:

    Justin bieber trudeau blows up tpp at apac..

    While trump is doing deals.

  104. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:52 pm
    “at least Clinton’s wife is sticking by him”
    Wow, Robbie. Such love and devotion.

    – I was mocking Jonesy’s flimsy, paper thin attacks on John McCain, but you hate McCain too.

  105. Tina says:

    There were allegations from donna brazile about groper 41 back in 1988.

    Of course brazile was fired and canddidate groper did not resign.

  106. Jonesy says:

    Dw, Robbie admitted to hating Tea Partiers and non GopE Republicans this week.

    It is no use. He hates Moore due to Religion, but gives any GopE scumbag like McCain and Bush a pass

  107. Jonesy says:

    Wes, how about the Duke Lacrosse case. MSM wanted those guys in jail for 30 years, until the Stripper admitted she lied

  108. Tina says:

    Bill Mitchell
    Bill Mitchell
    @mitchellvii
    So now the GOP Senate Committee will not fundraise for Moore over mere allegations 4 decades old? This is such an obvious hit by McConnell. Sickening.
    12:28 PM · Nov 10, 2017

    The turtle needs to address this allegation.

  109. Phil says:

    Oh, I forgot about ol Dan. Another MSM objective reporter. Journalistic standards don’t you know.

    What was that he claimed? Fake but accurate?

    Nope. No agenda there. Bush should have dropped out immediately. Right, Robbie.

  110. DW says:

    Another thing to watch for in this Moore thing is the follow-on accusations. In recent times when someone is accused, suddenly others come out. Look at Bill Cosby, or other recent examples. Once the door is opened, others will rush in to also accuse–especially if it turns out the person is guilty. WP found someone who happened to know four women who didn’t know each other, and three of them have nothing on Moore leaving the one whose accusation is substantive.

    My guess is that if Moore was/is a predator, that others will come forward this weekend or next week. If they don’t come forward, it suggests more strongly to me that Moore is truthful and the woman is not.

  111. Jonesy says:

    You deny McCain committed adultery in the late 70’s Robbie?

    Yeah a War Hero who was sleeping around while his Kids were in bed

  112. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:55 pm
    70 – do you really think we couldn’t find anyone you’ve ever worked with – or even come across socially – to say you did something bad in return for $10k? To you, it is irrelevant if it is true.

    – Honestly, I doubt it. But even if someone did, it would be so laughable no one would believe it. With a scumbag like Moore, it’s more than easy to believe since the woman provided so many details.

  113. Tina says:

    I wonder if justin bieber trudeau was wearing sicks saying, i blew up apec.

    What a dunce.

  114. Jonesy says:

    103. Who did you vote for then? Man up Meatloaf

  115. Tina says:

    Yup, dw., that is why i say lets wait and see a bit.

  116. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:56 pm
    Still waiting for Robbie to answer Mark Levin’s great question, posted in #21 above.

    – Mark Levin’s a hack. If he told me today was Friday, I would feel compelled to check the calendar.

  117. Chicon says:

    100 – read! How does a politician show the voters prove this is untrue to the satisfaction OF THE VOTERS? I said nothing about court. Be honest with yourself and answer the question as if it were your favorite politician accused.

    I don’t like Moore one bit, but what you’re advocating here is scary.

  118. Tina says:

    Who is meatloaf? It is funn, but i did not approve of any nicknames?

    Funny though

  119. Jonesy says:

    Bush 1 grabbing ass, while moral Barbara smiles and looks the other way.

    GopE its a hoot

  120. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 10, 2017 at 4:58 pm
    Dw, Robbie admitted to hating Tea Partiers and non GopE Republicans this week.
    It is no use. He hates Moore due to Religion, but gives any GopE scumbag like McCain and Bush a pass

    – I hate Moore because of religion? Provide evidence or drop dead you pissy little stain.

  121. Tina says:

    The wp reporter is negligent for not reporting the ties that nothingburger debbie has with drats and her involvment in the race

  122. Phil says:

    Good, point DW. Let’s see if more come out of the woodwork.

  123. DW says:

    117 – so you admit you have no answer to Levin. It is a great question no matter the messenger.

  124. Jonesy says:

    Robbie is Meatloaf

  125. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:00 pm
    Oh, I forgot about ol Dan. Another MSM objective reporter. Journalistic standards don’t you know.
    What was that he claimed? Fake but accurate?
    Nope. No agenda there. Bush should have dropped out immediately. Right, Robbie.

    – And you know what happened with the claim about McCain in 2008 and Dan Rather in 2004? The claims were so laughable they feel apart almost as soon as they were made.

    Has this claim fallen apart? Nope.

  126. Phil says:

    Funny, no Democratic hacks or hack publications. All on the right.

  127. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:00 pm
    You deny McCain committed adultery in the late 70’s Robbie?
    Yeah a War Hero who was sleeping around while his Kids were in bed

    – Do you deny Trump was sleeping around on his various wives?

  128. NYCmike says:

    3 times I have shown the HUGE difference between Moore on one side, and the Weinstein and Spacey issue on the other (Halperin, still looking at).

    Robbie has not even commented on it.

    Robbie, you are a despicable person. If Moore did something, let the process play out. One person’s account almost 40 years later is not enough proof to hang this man, no matter how much you despise.

    AND, NOT ONE PERSON HERE suggested a defense fund, you nasty piece of work!

  129. Jonesy says:

    Phil, if Moore stepped down tonight, I would accept it. But without any proof after 40 years and the WaPo involved, it is scary.

    what will stop them from a smear on Pence, John Thune, or any GOP candidate for the Senate in 2018?

  130. Phil says:

    …but it didn’t prevent your objective MSM friends from pushing those stories did it?

    You want to talk about hacks….

  131. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:05 pm
    Funny, no Democratic hacks or hack publications. All on the right.

    – MSNBC is full of hacks. Time and Newsweek are full of hacks. But if the story is well reported, then tough luck for you.

  132. NYCmike says:

    “Has this claim fallen apart? Nope.”

    -Has the claim you fondled a 10-year-old in the cockpit fallen apart yet?

  133. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:06 pm
    3 times I have shown the HUGE difference between Moore on one side, and the Weinstein and Spacey issue on the other (Halperin, still looking at).
    Robbie has not even commented on it.
    Robbie, you are a despicable person. If Moore did something, let the process play out. One person’s account almost 40 years later is not enough proof to hang this man, no matter how much you despise.
    AND, NOT ONE PERSON HERE suggested a defense fund, you nasty piece of work!

    – Roy Moore is scumbag and you’re defending him. That’s not my problem. That’s your problem.

  134. Jonesy says:

    128. Not the point Robbie. McCain is pretending to be the moral one here, telling Moore to step down.

    Trump is not. McCain is a hypocrite and a scumbag.

    Rubio defaulted a Student Loan, is he next?

  135. Jonesy says:

    I want proof Robbie. and not defending him, but he is innocent until guilty.

  136. DW says:

    126 – its only been out for what, 26 hours or so? Maybe Moore is guilty, maybe he is telling the truth and she is lying. That’s why we need to give it some time to see what more comes out. This is a she said / he said and the timing and circumstances around the news release looks like the sort of movie we have watched several times before.

  137. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:08 pm
    “Has this claim fallen apart? Nope.”
    -Has the claim you fondled a 10-year-old in the cockpit fallen apart yet?

    – Find a credible accuser with dates and details, Mikey.

    That’s the difference between just throwing something against the wall and what is happening with Moore.

  138. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:09 pm
    I want proof Robbie. and not defending him, but he is innocent until guilty.

    – This is politics, not a court of law.

  139. NYCmike says:

    “But if the story is well reported, then tough luck for you.”

    -Oh Lord! 3 out of 4 women mentioned was nothing.

    The most serious is an almost 40 year old charge which the accused vehemently DENIES!

    Moore doesn’t get a day in court?

  140. DW says:

    I honestly wish that Moore was not the nominee–but now that he is, and the WashPost wants the precedent set that any accusation alone is enough to disqualify, GOP recruiting will dry up in a flash.

  141. NYCmike says:

    “– Find a credible accuser with dates and details, Mikey.”

    -Fusion GPS can find a date you flew, ring up the passenger list, and BOOM…..Robbie is Rocco’s boyfriend.

  142. Phil says:

    A “well reported story” that conveniently forgets to mention one of the women is a Democratic activist and Hillary supporter?

    She has a facebook picture on the net of her and Doug Jones posing together dated Sept 20th.

    …but “well reported” WP story “accidently” forgets to mention that little detail.

  143. DW says:

    140 -three of the four in the story are on record saying Moore did nothing wrong–so I wonder what they are doing in the story at all except to give WashPost the ability to say women instead of woman.

    Make no mistake the accusation of the one is a serious accusation, but I can see how they get a better play on the story to say 4 women instead of 1 woman.

  144. Tina says:

    It is well reported.

    Lol, why did the check bouncer reporter miss that detail?

  145. Phil says:

    Hey Mike. Want to contribute to my Roy Moore legal defense fund that Robbie has me setting up?

  146. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:13 pm
    A “well reported story” that conveniently forgets to mention one of the women is a Democratic activist and Hillary supporter?
    She has a facebook picture on the net of her and Doug Jones posing together dated Sept 20th.
    …but “well reported” WP story “accidently” forgets to mention that little detail.

    – So the frick what. Just because a woman is a Democrat means she can’t be telling the truth?

    Talk about putting politics first. That’s really sad and embarrassing.

  147. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    139. “– This is politics, not a court of law.”

    Exactly Robbie, and in politics people are prone to lie. The timing does not pass the smell test.

  148. Robbie says:

    Philip Klein?
    @philipaklein

    Following the Hannity interview, there is very little reason to doubt the veracity of the Washington Post story. Republicans should adjust their statements accordingly.

  149. Phil says:

    …and yet they went out of the way to say one of the women was a Trump voter – but conveniently “forget” to report another was a Hillary supporter?

    Yeah, “well reported” story.

    No agenda there.

  150. Jonesy says:

    Have to give Robbie credit, he will always under any situation, defend the Bush wing of the Gop.

    He could care less about these women, just wants to stick it those who voted for Trump. At any cost. How many dead in Iraq? Who cares. Get Trump

    Sad little man

  151. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:19 pm
    139. “– This is politics, not a court of law.”
    Exactly Robbie, and in politics people are prone to lie. The timing does not pass the smell test.

    – The timing would have been ok had it come before the deadline to throw him off the ballot though, right?

  152. Jonesy says:

    141. Exactly DW. Post of the day.

  153. DW says:

    If this was just about politics, I could almost wish that it was proven true so that Moore could be gone for good and a write-in given a chance.

    But this isn’t about politics, it is about right and wrong. It is about waiting for the facts to be established before casting judgment.

    As much as I despise Obama’s politics, if some woman came out saying he groped her when she was 14 and him 32, I would wait to see if it sticks and was established as fact–especially if he replied with the sort of denials we have heard from Moore.

    Having seen first hand with someone I know very closely the horrors of being falsely accused, I am very interested in waiting for the facts to be established before leading a lynch mob.

  154. NYCmike says:

    Sorry, if Robbie is able to condemn this man as quickly as this than there is nothing I can say to change his mind. Disgusting, 3rd world attitude.

  155. Jonesy says:

    Robbie is going to post into his keyboard all Weekend protecting the Bush GOP. Denying his 2016 debacle etc..until his Lt. Corey shows up to spell him

  156. DW says:

    148 – What? Politicians lie? Who knew?? You have shattered my innocence! I thought they were all public servants trying to change the world into a paradise!

  157. Diamond Jim says:

    The timing would have been ok had it come before the deadline to throw him off the ballot though, right?

    The timing is what makes the story stink to high heaven.

  158. Jonesy says:

    What is stopping me from going on twitter right now and starting a smear campaign against Rob Portmann?

    The precedent is scary

  159. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:25 pm
    Sorry, if Robbie is able to condemn this man as quickly as this than there is nothing I can say to change his mind. Disgusting, 3rd world attitude.

    – And if you’re willing to continually defend an amoral man like Trump, then you’re disgusting.

    You’ve chosen to put party over principle.

  160. Jonesy says:

    If this was Bob Corker, instead of Moore, Robbie would be calling for calm.

    He just hates Conservatives. That simple

  161. DW says:

    160 – if you were worried about principle, you would wait until the facts were established.

    If Moore is proven a liar, then I will be pushing to the head of the line to cast judgment on him.

    But you want the lynch mob to get a rope and hang him on an accusation alone.

  162. Phil says:

    As I described in a prior thread, I too have seen the injustice of seeing one of my colleagues falsely accused. It was ugly as hell.

    If Moore did it he needs to be gone but I’m not going to automatically throw someone under the bus just because there is an accusation especially something out of the WP who has an agenda – electing Democrats. I still want to know why these accusations never surfaced over forty years and five statewide elections.

  163. Robbie says:

    Diamond Jim says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:27 pm
    The timing would have been ok had it come before the deadline to throw him off the ballot though, right?
    The timing is what makes the story stink to high heaven.

    – Late hits happen in politics all of the time. It’s part of the game. Anyone remember the Bush DUI in 2000?

  164. Jonesy says:

    160. Robbie you defended Bush 1 and his admitted sexual assault on this site several times.

    Now you want us to put principle over party. what a hypocrite

  165. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:28 pm
    What is stopping me from going on twitter right now and starting a smear campaign against Rob Portmann?
    The precedent is scary

    – The difference is having some facts to back up the claims rather than just throwing something against the wall.

  166. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    128. “– Do you deny Trump was sleeping around on his various wives?”

    Yes, we need a virtuous Democratic in office, like a Clinton or Kennedy.

    We are not electing angels to office; the issue of someone’s private life really should not be a factor — unless it involves a legal issue. If the allegations are true about Moore, he should not serve. However, giving the timing and the fact it was alleged to have happened 40 years ago (and make by a Democratic activist), it should not be a factor in the election — otherwise you are opening up a Pandora’s box.

    We already have nasty politics; accepting allegations as true on their face right before an election is going to make things spin out of control further. Why weren’t the allegations made before the Republican primary; instead it was after it was too late for Moore to be replaced as the Republican candidate. It is rotten politics — pure and simple.

  167. NYCmike says:

    “– And if you’re willing to continually defend an amoral man like Trump, then you’re disgusting.

    You’ve chosen to put party over principle.”

    -Robbie,

    You must have missed the post where I said I stood up for Menendez in saying he should get a trial….wouldn’t it have been advantageous to have Christie select someone to replace him?

    You’ve placed EMOTION over REASON.

  168. NYCmike says:

    “Anyone remember the Bush DUI in 2000?”

    -Did Bush DENY the allegation?

  169. Robbie says:

    I’ll be interested to see how many of you feel about wanting to give good ole Roy the chance to defend himself after he loses.

  170. NYCmike says:

    Has Moore denied the allegation?

  171. DW says:

    163 – bingo! and I still want an answer to Mark Levin’s great question. How is it these four women never met, didn’t know each other, but the source the WaPost happened to randomly meet not only knew all four and their alleged complaints, but also knew how to get in touch with all four–four that again, didn’t know each other?

    And you and I Phil have a unique perspective given we have seen this sort of thing play out in the real life of educators who were falsely accused.

  172. Tina says:

    You have chosen hillary over common sense.

  173. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    164. “– Late hits happen in politics all of the time. It’s part of the game.”

    So Robbie, you admitting this is all political?

    166. “The difference is having some facts to back up the claims rather than just throwing something against the wall.”

    What facts are you referring to? This is an allegation; what verification do you have?

    Your really pulling sludge out of the bottom of the barrel.

  174. NYCmike says:

    “I’ll be interested to see how many of you feel about wanting to give good ole Roy the chance to defend himself after he loses.”

    -Heh, talk about principle over party indeed.

    I want the principle of FACTS to determine what is going on here, instead of slander.

    You want to replace principle of Innocent until Proven Guilty for the principle of winning or losing a Senate seat.

    How many times must people here say it? – IF MOORE IS GUILTY, THEN HE IS GONE.

  175. DW says:

    Robbie, If Dan Rather had done a better job with the forgery, so no one could tell and disprove it, would that have made Bush guilty? No. Bush was innocent regardless the quality of the false charge.

    Moore might be guilty, he might be innocent. I am for waiting to see. My guess is that if he is guilty, more women will come forward with claims in the next several days.

  176. Robbie says:

    When countless ads are run in 2018 saying that Republican candidate X turned a blind eye to pedophilia accusations, I’ll be interested to see how everyone feels about wanting to give good ole Roy the chance to defend himself on the back of the Republican Party.

  177. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    170. “I’ll be interested to see how many of you feel about wanting to give good ole Roy the chance to defend himself after he loses.”

    As a matter of fact I do; that is his right as an American under our legal system.

    It something a troll cannot understand, or admit he does.

  178. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:35 pm
    164. “– Late hits happen in politics all of the time. It’s part of the game.”
    So Robbie, you admitting this is all political?
    166. “The difference is having some facts to back up the claims rather than just throwing something against the wall.”
    What facts are you referring to? This is an allegation; what verification do you have?
    Your really pulling sludge out of the bottom of the barrel.

    – I believe the accuser’s story. I believe Moore fondled a 14 year old girl. I believe he should be thrown off the ticket.

    Some people are dismissing the claims simply because they came so late in the process. Just because something comes at an inconvenient time doesn’t make the charge a lie. This is politics after all.

  179. Tina says:

    weeted
    Lauren Walsh
    Lauren Walsh
    @LaurenWalshTV
    ·
    1h
    Hannity asks Moore about Corfman’s allegations from when she was 14: “It never happened and I don’t even like hearing it because it never happened.” #AlSen

  180. Tina says:

    One of the women who said Senate candidate Roy Moore pursued her while she was in high school worked for Hillary Clinton’s campaign as a sign language interpreter, according to videos and documents posted online.

    Deborah Wesson Gibson, owner of the interpreting company Signs of Excellence, provided services for Clinton during her 2016 campaign, as well as working with former Democratic Vice President Joe Biden during other events. Photos posted to her company’s social media site show her providing sign language services for Sen. Patrick Murphy and Sen. Bill Nelson, both Florida Democrats.

  181. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:37 pm
    170. “I’ll be interested to see how many of you feel about wanting to give good ole Roy the chance to defend himself after he loses.”
    As a matter of fact I do; that is his right as an American under our legal system.
    It something a troll cannot understand, or admit he does.

    – As Mitt Romney tweeted, innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections.

  182. DW says:

    Robbie, again, I ask you, had Dan Rather’s faked document been better quality so no one could tell, would that have made Bush guilty?

  183. Tina says:

    The jebot beleives it is political.

    The End.

  184. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    177. Robbie, I detest Moore. But I believe he has a right to defend himself and is entitled to due process.

    This is a constitutional right every American has; you almost sound like a facist when you challenge the right of the man to at least get a fair hearing.

  185. Tina says:

    Mitchie ried a dog to his station wagon.

  186. NYCmike says:

    Robbie posted Philip Klein:

    https://twitter.com/philipaklein/status/727665419788627968?lang=en

    Philip Klein?
    @philipaklein

    Following the Hannity interview, there is very little reason to doubt the veracity of the Washington Post story. Republicans should adjust their statements accordingly.

    Tina posted Lauren Walsh:

    weeted
    Lauren Walsh
    Lauren Walsh
    @LaurenWalshTV
    ·
    1h
    Hannity asks Moore about Corfman’s allegations from when she was 14: “It never happened and I don’t even like hearing it because it never happened.” #AlSen

  187. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:42 pm
    177. Robbie, I detest Moore. But I believe he has a right to defend himself and is entitled to due process.
    This is a constitutional right every American has; you almost sound like a facist when you challenge the right of the man to at least get a fair hearing.

    – He has every right to defend himself. He just doesn’t have to do it on the back of the Republican Party.

  188. Tina says:

    On Facebook, Gibson shared a flier for a campaign rally for Moore’s opponent, Doug Jones and an October visit on his behalf by Biden. On Oct. 15, Gibson shared a story about Moore and his comments that the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School occurred because Americans had “forgotten God’s law.”

    “God is love, not divisive bigotry, racism, hate and intolerance of those different than us,” she wrote under comments on the story.

    She hates christians.

  189. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    183. “– As Mitt Romney tweeted, innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections.”

    I am a supporter of Mitt Romney but on this issue he is wrong. Unfortunately, I believe his occasional lapse of judgment on issues like this is one reason he was not elected president. As a supporter I often saw him make poor decisions on what he said.

  190. Tina says:

    DanRiehl
    DanRiehl
    @DanRiehl
    ·
    1h
    Doesn’t exonerate Moore but fair to ask why WaPo missed this? Should have been disclosed at the very least IMO.

    Can somebody send a tweet to the check bouncer wp reporter and ask her why?

  191. Tina says:

    Yup, shoukd have been disclosed. She ered by not disclosing this.

  192. DW says:

    Robbie, again, I ask you, had Dan Rather’s faked document been better quality so no one could tell, would that have made Bush guilty?

  193. Robbie says:

    “Roy may be a pedophile, but darn it we just can’t let a Democrat win that seat” is such a compelling argument.

  194. Robbie says:

    andrew kaczynski
    @KFILE

    Roy Moore’s defense is all over the place. It didn’t happen. I don’t remember it. The 14-year-old’s story is vastly different from the others.

  195. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:48 pm
    Robbie, again, I ask you, had Dan Rather’s faked document been better quality so no one could tell, would that have made Bush guilty?

    – If the Roy Moore allegations had surfaced before the deadline to remove him from the ballot, would you feel differently?

    The Bush 2004 story fell apart for more reasons than a cheap forgery.

  196. DW says:

    Robbie, again, I ask you, had Dan Rather’s faked document been better quality so no one could tell, would that have made Bush guilty?

  197. Jonesy says:

    McCain was 40 when he slept with 18 Year old mistress Cindy?

  198. Jonesy says:

    So frustrating dealing with a zombie like Robbie. He defends these Moore accusers now, even though are politically involved with Doug Jones?

  199. Tina says:

    Revisionist, the bush awol story was disproven because the documents were proven tombe fake,

  200. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:54 pm
    So frustrating dealing with a zombie like Robbie. He defends these Moore accusers now, even though are politically involved with Doug Jones?

    – So frustrating dealing with a Trump sycophant like Jonesy.

  201. Jonesy says:

    I just noticed that if ignore Robbie’s posts(and Corey’s) this board is very well informed and intelligent

  202. Jonesy says:

    Trump endorsed Strange, Meatloaf.

    Bush deadender

  203. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:56 pm
    I just noticed that if ignore Robbie’s posts(and Corey’s) this board is very well informed and intelligent

    – And I just noticed if I ignore you’re Trump shilling, I’d still have to put up with Tina’s conspiracy theories.

  204. Jonesy says:

    Robbie, are you posting at RRH today also.

    Same posts over there under Chris Rawlings

  205. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:58 pm
    Robbie, are you posting at RRH today also.
    Same posts over there under Chris Rawlings

    – Never posted at RRH. I’ve never even visited the site.

  206. Phil says:

    Conspiracy theories?

    …says the guy who over the past year has linked to every MSM story on Trump – Russion “collusion” he could get his hands on.

    Rich.

  207. Jonesy says:

    Robbie is a globalist also. They hate anyone who does not fall in line with the Uniparty

  208. Jonesy says:

    209. Right

  209. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    196. “Roy may be a pedophile, but darn it we just can’t let a Democrat win that seat” is such a compelling argument.”

    Your the only one stupid enough to make this argument.

    Alright, I accuse Robbie of being a pedophile; since we accept all allegations as true, it must mean that Robbie is a pedophile.

  210. Tina says:

    Time for jebot 1to tag out, and tag in jebot 2

  211. Jonesy says:

    True Phil. Subtract Moore, put in trump Sex Tape, and Robbie was saying the same crap in 2016 for a whole weekend.

    Ass Grabbing Bushes , nothing to see here

  212. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 5:59 pm
    Conspiracy theories?
    …says the guy who over the past year has linked to every MSM story on Trump – Russion “collusion” he could get his hands on.
    Rich.

    – It’s so sad to watch what you’ve become in the age of Trump.

    Tina posts genuine tinfoil hat conspiracy theories and you somehow equate that with reporting that tell you something you don’t want to hear.

    Trump has wrecked conservatism.

  213. Jonesy says:

    214. That would be Corey/CG/Pete Wilson or whatever he uses this week

  214. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 10, 2017 at 6:00 pm
    Robbie is a globalist also. They hate anyone who does not fall in line with the Uniparty

    – LOL! A globalist.

  215. Jonesy says:

    216. Your brand of conservatism he wrecked Robbie.

    the type where you cower to the MSM and get nothing passed in the senate.

  216. Jonesy says:

    Funny how all of Robbie’s boogeyman conspiracy people, predicted a Trump win 2016. Mitchell, Cernovich, Larry S etc..

    But Robbie says Hillary will win Utah, and he is the sane one?

  217. JC says:

    For now on, since Robbie has been accussed of being a pedophile, which is a very serious charge, I will hereby address him as ‘Pedo Robbie’.

  218. Robbie says:

    Mike Lee and Steve Daines have both just pulled their endorsements of Roy Moore.

  219. Phil says:

    Yeah, that Washington Post NYT stuff you constantly link to has been solid on the Trump – Russian Collusion. No conspiracy stuff there. Rock solid reporting.

    Please inform Trump Chump Senator Feinstein because she says she hasn’t been able to find any evidence of it.

  220. Jonesy says:

    Why does nobody believe Juanita Broderick on Bill raping her?

  221. Robbie says:

    JC says:
    November 10, 2017 at 6:06 pm
    For now on, since Robbie has been accussed of being a pedophile, which is a very serious charge, I will hereby address him as ‘Pedo Robbie’.

    – Go right ahead. Unlike with good ole Roy, you have no proof.

  222. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    There is a potential way the Republicans could push Moore out according to the NYT:

    “One approach that Republicans are considering, according to people briefed on the deliberations, would involve asking Gov. Kay Ivey to order a new date for the election, scheduling it for early next year and giving the party time to persuade Mr. Moore to withdraw, or force him out of the race.

    Alabama election law requires candidates to withdraw at least 76 days before an election in order to be replaced on the ballot, a deadline Mr. Moore has already missed.

    State law gives the governor broad authority to set the date of special elections, and Ms. Ivey, who is a Republican, already rescheduled the Senate election once, after inheriting the governor’s office in April when her predecessor, Robert Bentley, resigned in a sex and corruption scandal. Ms. Ivey’s advisers have not ruled out exercising that power again, according to Republicans in touch with her camp, but she has signaled that she would like reassurances of support from the White House before taking any such step.”

  223. Bitterlaw says:

    53 The written article is defamatory. Slander is spoken words. Don’t you people take notes? I have explained this before. Both “spoken” and “slander” start with the letter “s.”

  224. Jonesy says:

    Tina, is there something coming down the road on Joe Biden? a accuser maybe?

    Friend said a blogger is pushing it

  225. Phil says:

    Proof?

    We don’t need no stinkin proof!

  226. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 10, 2017 at 6:11 pm
    Why does nobody believe Juanita Broderick on Bill raping her?

    – Republicans believed her because Clinton had a D next to his name. Republicans believe Moore because he has a R next to his name.

  227. Jonesy says:

    Mike Lee is a never trumper

  228. Robbie says:

    In 226 SDC, points out the best option available. It will likely require Trump intervening, but will he?

  229. Jonesy says:

    230. Most pathetic post of the day.

    Broderick and her husband were Dem donors.

    You are as dumb as a post Robbie

  230. Jonesy says:

    In Robbie’s universe, he believes that people care what he says, outside of HHR. LOL

  231. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #221= JC
    Is Robbie a straight,gay or bi Pedo? Your allegations against him are serious and I have heard from a few folks that he has a wide stance in public restrooms!

  232. Phil says:

    SD

    I could go with that. Certainly give it time for things to sort out.

  233. Jonesy says:

    JC, Robbie never leaves his Keyboard. Pedophiles actually have to leave their House

  234. Jonesy says:

    Larry Craig, GopE-Idaho was wide stance. Did Robbie defend him?

  235. Robbie says:

    OMG! A sign language interpreter. She must be a liar.

    Fox News?
    @FoxNews

    One of the women accusing Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore of sexual impropriety reportedly worked as a sign language interpreter for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, a new report claims.

  236. Phil says:

    The more I think about it, the better I like the idea of delaying the election. Something we could all, including Robbie, agree on. Of course the WP, Doug Jones, and Chuck Schumer aren’t going to like it.

  237. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Hannity gave Moore an opportunity to defend himself. Here is the a quote from NYT.

    “And Mr. Moore’s interview with Mr. Hannity only made Republicans in the capital more determined that he had to step aside.

    “I don’t remember ever dating any girl without the permission of her mother,” Mr. Moore told Mr. Hannity. Asked by Mr. Hannity if he ever dated teenagers when he was in his 30s, Mr. Moore replied: “Not generally, no.”

  238. Tina says:

    And omitted from the wp story.

    The end

  239. lisab says:

    Robbie, I hear you groped a stewardess recently.
    ———————

    isn’t robbie gay?

  240. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 6:21 pm
    The more I think about it, the better I like the idea of delaying the election. Something we could all, including Robbie, agree on. Of course the WP, Doug Jones, and Chuck Schumer aren’t going to like it.

    – The Democrats would obviously protest, but they would secretly be happy. They would no longer need to waste money the race.

  241. Tina says:

    I nelieve hillary, no matter what.

    Jebot.

  242. Tina says:

    The more I think about it, we can overturn the 2016 elec5ion and install hillary.

    -jebot.

  243. Phil says:

    I don’t think they would be happy at all. They want this seat and this has given them an opening. Democrats never waste an opportunity. They have proven over and over money won’t detour them. See the money they poured into the Price district earlier this year. They want that seat!

  244. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 10, 2017 at 6:24 pm
    The more I think about it, we can overturn the 2016 elec5ion and install hillary.
    -jebot.

    – The more I think about, you should be forcibly institutionalized.

  245. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 10, 2017 at 6:25 pm
    I don’t think they would be happy at all. They want this seat and this has given them an opening. Democrats never waste an opportunity. They have proven over and over money won’t detour them. See the money they poured into the Price district earlier this year. They want that seat!

    – Dopey donors poured money into Osoff’s campaign. But as was the case with many of the other special elections, the national party barely threw pennies at the races. Ask the guys in Kansas, Montana, and South Carolina how much they got from the DNC and the DCCC.

  246. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 10, 2017 at 6:27 pm
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/revealed-roy-moore-accuser-three-time-divorcee-filed-bankruptcy-multiple-times-claimed-several-pastors-made-sexual-advances/
    Ruh roh.

    – You know who else has multiple divorces, multiple bankruptcies, and multiple unwanted sexual advances?

    Donald Trump

  247. Robbie says:

    Brit Hume?
    @brithume

    At law, the burden of proof would be on Moore’s accusers. In politics, with accusers coming out on the record, it’s on him. Unfair? Perhaps, but inevitable.

  248. Tina says:

    Hmuh russian

  249. Phil says:

    So multiple pastors at different churches all also made sexual advance towards her.

    She is just unlucky that she is so hard to resist. Must be a real curse.

  250. Tina says:

    Google “CNN,175,Sue”
    @NolteNC
    ·
    14m
    Mitt Romney touched me.

    I was just a boy.

    That’s all I remember cuz I had to go to my happy place.

    All I know is that I woke up in a dog carrier.

  251. lisab says:

    The story against good ole Roy has a woman with a detailed account that features dates, times, phone numbers, and actions.
    ——————————–

    so you think someone would remember a judge’s phone number from 40 years ago?

    can anyone remember the phone number of their elementary school from 40/30/20 years ago?

  252. Tina says:

    A drug attic like her woukd not remeber what she did two days ago.

  253. JC says:

    Pedo Robbie says:
    November 10, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    OMG! A sign language interpreter. She must be a liar.
    —————–

    As Scott Adams wrote, sentences that begin with words like “OMG, LOL, wow, dude, in other words” are clear signs of cognitive dissonance.

    When people do not have rational reasons for their arguments, or when facts come out that contradict their accepted beliefs, they create absurd absolutes in order to maintain their confirmation bias.

    [Mocking word] + [absurd absolute/insult] is the surest sign of cognitive dissonance.

  254. Tina says:

    Kurt Schlichter
    Kurt Schlichter
    @KurtSchlichter
    ·
    36m
    So did the federal jury hearing the corruption trial of the Democrat Mitt Romney and John McCain have not demanded resign come back with a verdict yet?

  255. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Purportedly Moore’s main accuser Leigh Corfman has had three divorces, filed for bankruptcy three times, and has been charged with multiple misdemeanors.

    Posts on Moore’s FB page indicate that Corfman, has claimed several pastors at various churches made sexual advances at her.”

    Ok Robbie. Please explain to me how you state this person has “CREDIBILITY” in what she said?

    Oh, I forgot, this is politics, so everyone whose says anything against a Republican is automatically credible.

    Also, says a lot for the quality of Washington Post journalism.

  256. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if Robbie still has his “I believe Anita” button.

  257. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    251.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/revealed-roy-moore-accuser-three-time-divorcee-filed-bankruptcy-multiple-times-claimed-several-pastors-made-sexual-advances/
    Ruh roh.

    – You know who else has multiple divorces, multiple bankruptcies, and multiple unwanted sexual advances? Donald Trump

    Robbie you sinking faster than the Titanic on this one. Give it up. All that is going to happen is we are going to have a festive time making fun of you.

  258. Tina says:

    With the stories about gen flynn today, one would think he is a spook.

    You think!

  259. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m throwing the flag. Robbie and Corey did not vote for Hillary. They did not vote to stop her.

  260. Tina says:

    I could not find any links showing teump personally filed bankruzotcy.

    Personally means individually.

    I have to help out the millenial bot.

  261. Paul says:

    In the interview with Hannity, Moore does admit to knowing and possibly dating (doesn’t recall specifically) the three slightly older girls. He says they were all ‘good girls’.

  262. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The only one who is coming out of this one looking worse than Robbie, is Romney. He is about to make a political comeback in Utah, and he makes a fool of himself. Unfortunately, he does this sort of thing a lot.

  263. NYCmike says:

    Fill in the blanks, RobbieLouis C K:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/roy-moore-denies-knowing-woman-said-preyed-teen-225257258.html

    -This guy said something totally different:

    “— —–, the Rep——- Se—- c-nd-da-e in <l<b<m<, on Friday rejected the claims made by women who told the Washington Post that he pursued them sexually when they were teens and he was in his 30s."

  264. Tina says:

    #DitchMitch – McConnell says he “misspoke” when he said no middle class Americans would see tax increase. @SteveForbes joins #Dobbs on FBN7p #MAGA #TrumpTrain #DTS @realDonaldTrump

    The swamp turtle cannot even market the tax cut.

  265. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    265. “I’m throwing the flag. Robbie and Corey did not vote for Hillary. They did not vote to stop her.”

    Where did you find the playbook for a Mad Hatter Party?

  266. Tina says:

    Quittens has a habit of making a fool of himself. He sought trump out for the sos position, he looke desparate dor it and begged for it.

  267. Jonesy says:

    Accuser, accused several pastors over the years, never taken seriously. Divorced. 3 times bankruptcy. Worked for hillary and biden.

  268. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 10, 2017 at 6:53 pm
    251.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/revealed-roy-moore-accuser-three-time-divorcee-filed-bankruptcy-multiple-times-claimed-several-pastors-made-sexual-advances/
    Ruh roh.
    – You know who else has multiple divorces, multiple bankruptcies, and multiple unwanted sexual advances? Donald Trump
    Robbie you sinking faster than the Titanic on this one. Give it up. All that is going to happen is we are going to have a festive time making fun of you.

    – Sinking fast? That’s pretty funny. Moore has been accused of molesting a 14 year old girl when he was 32. And in the last 24 hours, his story has hardly been compelling. Yesterday, he said the accusers were lying. Today, he couldn’t say for sure he didn’t date teenagers. So already, part of his initial story has changed.

    I’m more than comfortable to be on the side of the argument that believes Roy Moore has no business being in this race because of the serious allegations made against him.

  269. Jonesy says:

    Robbie molested a flight attendant? Is this true

  270. Tina says:

    I am really comfortable helping hillary become president.

    Jebot

  271. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 10, 2017 at 6:58 pm
    The only one who is coming out of this one looking worse than Robbie, is Romney. He is about to make a political comeback in Utah, and he makes a fool of himself. Unfortunately, he does this sort of thing a lot.

    – LOL! Have you ever thought of being a comedian?

    Romney made a fool of himself? What a joke. Romney took a stand against a scumbag candidate who is accused of molesting a 14 year old. By the way, that’s something everyone would be doing here if Moore was a Democrat.

  272. Paul says:

    I misspoke. He knew two of the girls which he thinks he probably dated. He does sound kind of wishy-washy in the interview to me.

    I think he’ll win the election no matter.

  273. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 10, 2017 at 7:03 pm
    Robbie molested a flight attendant? Is this true

    – Jonesy appeared in video where he had sex with a horse. Does anyone have video of this?

  274. Jonesy says:

    261. Thanks Sd. Beat me too it. Accuser is a psycho like anita hill and tamara brawley

  275. Jonesy says:

    280. You do not deny robbie?

  276. Bitterlaw says:

    It is no use. He hates Moore due to Religion, but gives any GopE scumbag like McCain and Bush a pass.

    Damn. Jonesy “free pass to Donald Trump” just broke the irony meter again.

  277. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 10, 2017 at 7:06 pm
    280. You do not deny robbie?

    – You do not deny, Jonesy?

  278. Tina says:

    Security Studies
    Security Studies
    @SecStudiesGrp
    Iranian aggressors still target American troops in Iraq explains @MPPregent. On 10/1/17 Army Specialist Missildine was killed by a highly lethal roadside bomb known as an EFP in Iraq. EFPs are the signature weapon of two Iranian IRGC led militias in Iraq.

    Does mullah corker know this?

    Is flakey out of his safe space. As a lobbyist, before senator, he may know something.

  279. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, well said. When Robbie and corey voted for Jeff Flake in 2016, they did not stop Hillary

  280. Tina says:

    I am glad romney lost the election.

    Jebot

  281. Jonesy says:

    284. Not bad robbie. Fair enough

  282. Tina says:

    She has a lot of provlems with her credibility.

    More evidence, or other accusers needs to come forth.

  283. Tina says:

    The transcript shoukd be avail. From his website.

  284. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, missing the point. Trump has never claimed to be the moral police. Ass grabber Bush and cheater mccain have.

  285. Paul says:

    291: Not yet.

  286. Jonesy says:

    Uh oh.

    LA district Attorney to launch probe into Hollywood.

    Anthony Edwards of ER says he was raped by male pedophile

  287. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    275. “I’m more than comfortable to be on the side of the argument that believes Roy Moore has no business being in this race because of the serious allegations made against him.”

    So Robbie, you still give credibility to the accuser, who has also accused her pastors of molesting her, and has been charged with multiple misdemeanors?

  288. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 10, 2017 at 7:14 pm
    275. “I’m more than comfortable to be on the side of the argument that believes Roy Moore has no business being in this race because of the serious allegations made against him.”
    So Robbie, you still give credibility to the accuser, who has also accused her pastors of molesting her, and has been charged with multiple misdemeanors?

    – Yes, I still believe her. Just because certain media sources have attempted to smear the woman doesn’t make her story any less credible with me. This was not a story put together in the fly. It had 4 women on the record and 30 other sources.

  289. Jonesy says:

    Gop trying to move special back

  290. lisab says:

    The written article is defamatory. Slander is spoken words. Don’t you people take notes? I have explained this before.
    ————————

    also roy moore is not accused of pedophilia

    unlike robbie

  291. Jonesy says:

    296. Robbie you would have believed and Anita Hill and the Duke Lacrosse accuser? What is wrong with you? Grow up.

    Word is now she accused over 10 different pastors and has mental health issues.

  292. Jonesy says:

    I wonder if hollywood feminists will have courage to cancel oscars?

  293. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “– Yes, I still believe her. Just because certain media sources have attempted to smear the woman doesn’t make her story any less credible with me.”

    Actually she made the claims her pastors molested her, and the arrests were a matter of public record. How can you claim this a smear?

  294. Jonesy says:

    Tina, would have to be a moore friend or family member, for me to believe without proof

  295. Paul says:

    “So Robbie, you still give credibility to the accuser, who has also accused her pastors of molesting her…..”

    I’ve seen nothing from an actual source about Corfman accusing a pastor of sexual misconduct. I’ve searched around. I’m pretty sure that is just fabricated rumors at this point.

  296. Phil says:

    I think someone on this thread mentioned Anita Hill as a “crazy”

    She was not crazy – just a lying lefty throwing a last second Hail Mary to stop Clarence Thomas.

    She knew exactly what she was doing.

  297. Jonesy says:

    SD, robbie’s hatred of Trump and the non GopE has made him a walker

  298. lisab says:

    Robbie molested a flight attendant? Is this true
    ————–

    a male flight attendant

    (actually i think he is a male flight attendant)

  299. Jonesy says:

    303. paul see #301

  300. Phil says:

    Ten pastors?

    You sure about that because if that is true it is a deal breaker.

  301. Jonesy says:

    Robbie, Rick Grimes would have a tough time with you

  302. Paul says:

    305. jonesy see #303.
    There has been no source for that information. Can you provide any?

  303. Jonesy says:

    Phil, Gateway pundit. Predicted a trump victory. A gay conservative, no tinfoil hat

  304. Tina says:

    Jonesy, i just prefer to wait. Dw raised a good pooint. More will come out, if true.

    I wonder if the lawyah will even bother to put this loon out. She may not be presentable.

    On face value, anitas claims seem reasonable. She lost me on the part why she followed thomas around.

    Imo, i think anita was jealous and went postal because he married whitey.

  305. Tina says:

    I thought rottie slept in a basement and woke up at 10am.

  306. Jonesy says:

    301 Paul. Can you read?

  307. Jonesy says:

    All the bloggers who were called fools when predicting a trump win, are on the pastor story. I trust them

    Cernovich, larry s, jack p, jim hoft, bill mitchell all hated by the GopE for hillary

  308. Paul says:

    313. Jonesy. Do you understand the question?

  309. Jonesy says:

    312. Tina i want evidence. Without who is next? Pence, gorsuch?

    There is a photo of the accuser at a hillary event. Looks like gloria s

  310. Jonesy says:

    Paul, you are a zombie and a concern doomer. Pulic record according to SD

  311. Jonesy says:

    Boom!!

    Obama appointed Judge removed from Fusion case

  312. Phil says:

    I saw the photo of one of the other women at the Hillary event. Definitely a Democratic activist.

    Did not see the original accuser in the picture I saw. Not sure any pictures of her have been trotted out yet. Not sure, though.

  313. lisab says:

    I saw the photo of one of the other women at the Hillary event. Definitely a Democratic activist.
    —————————————-

    well they would all be middle aged women now. they would all look like hillary supporters

  314. lisab says:

    it could be all true of course

    but apparently it matches some lifetime movie that was on a few years ago

    which does not mean her story is false, just that it matches some movie

  315. Jonesy says:

    Boom 2!!

    Elena Kagan removes herself from immigrants rights case before SCOTUS

  316. Jonesy says:

    320. Daily caller has a photo phil

  317. Phil says:

    Jonesy, thanks. I’ll go over there. Curious what this woman looks like.

  318. Phil says:

    Ok, is that the one who said she was 14 when this allegedly happened?

  319. Paul says:

    Roy Moore admits to have dated the so-called democratic activist in his interview with Hannity. So the one you want to dismiss is confirmed by Roy 🙂

  320. Tina says:

    Richard Baris
    Richard Baris
    @Peoples_Pundit
    ·
    1h
    Replying to @anaplan_karthik and 3 others
    We’ll wait a few days and run a poll over the course of 2 to 3 days. Running a poll for less than a day, less than a day after a scandal breaks is not even ethical.

    Ppd polling head.

  321. Tina says:

    Richard Baris
    Richard Baris
    @Peoples_Pundit
    ·
    1h
    It’s more than problematic The Washington Post omitted at least one of Roy Moore’s accusers is a D activist. She openly, proudly hates GOP on her Facebook page. If they went through all trouble to purify those accusations, why did they leave that out? Very disturbing oversight.

  322. Jonesy says:

    GopE is to blame for this crap in the first place

    RINO guv bentley resigns on corruption

    GopE guv kay ivey calls a not needed special

  323. Jonesy says:

    This is another anita hill type smear job

  324. Paul says:

    MOORE: I remember [Deborah Wesson] as a good girl. I don’t remember specific dates. I do not and I don’t remember if it was that time or later. . . .I knew her as a friend. If we did go on dates then we did. But I do not remember that.”

    So it sounds like he clearly remembers Deborah Wesson (the so-called Democratic activist). And doesn’t contradict anything she said.

  325. Jonesy says:

    326. Yes buddy

  326. Jonesy says:

    332. That is jot the 14 year old accuser paul, get a grip

  327. Phil says:

    What exactly did the Wesson woman accuse him of?

  328. Paul says:

    334: I know. This is the one you are saying is a democratic activist because she did sign language for some dems. Apparently whatever she said is backed up somewhat by Roy Moore. However, what she describes clearly isn’t illegal.

  329. Paul says:

    Apparently, she kind of sucks as a democratic activist 🙂

  330. Phil says:

    I need to go back and look at all this stuff again. Need to sort out these middle aged bimbos.

  331. Tina says:

    The problem is the wp writer failed to disclose.

  332. Bitterlaw says:

    Bitter, missing the point. Trump has never claimed to be the moral police.

    So. You don’t condemn Trump for his actions. Got it.

  333. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, how many Bill Clinton soccer mom apologists live in your neighboorhood?

    Always trump with you and protecting robbie. You are better than that

  334. JC says:

    As this predictably plays out, it appears that the democratic national committee’s propaganda arm aka WaPo tracked down and paid a serial accuser and dem activist to make a wild and unsubstantiated claim right before a big election. One that cannot possibly be corroborated and would be laughed out of court, but gives the liberal activists (journalists) an excuse to plaster these accusations on the front pages for an entire month.

    You should see my shocked face.

    And just as predictably, the serial knee-benders aka rino republicans immediately – of their own volition – come out and condemn the accused conservative and demand that he resign because of these accussations.

    You should see my double shocked face.

    Sasse. Flake. McCain. Romney.

    It’s always the same freakin people. Here we have two former presidential candidates, once again, taking the side of the conservative base’s tormentors.

    These people are a cancer to the Republican party.

  335. Robbie says:

    How convenient that good ole Roy happens to remember the girls who were of age, but doesn’t remember the girl who was under age.

    That said, I thought good ole Roy said the whole story was a lie yesterday. Now, he seemed to not be able to recall whether he dated women in their teens.

    So we’ve gone from “it’s a lie” to “I recall the girls that were over 16, but I don’t recall the girl who was 14 and I touched”.

  336. NYCmike says:

    “Good ole Roy” is the new Trump Chumps

  337. lisab says:

    it could be true …

    i believe many men would be attracted to a 14 yo girl

    i believe some men would take advantage of a 14 yo girl

    but how many 32 yo men wear little boy underpants? (other than robbie of course)

  338. Paul says:

    Yes, Robbie. I was noticing that.

    The two where some relationship started at 14, he doesn’t recall at all. But the two that he dated when they were 17/18, he sort of thinks he might have dated.

  339. lisab says:

    well paul, i am sure you don’t recall the 14 yo girl you molested

  340. Paul says:

    I wouldn’t forget that!

  341. lisab says:

    so you remember molesting her

  342. Bitterlaw says:

    Robbie, Rick Grimes would have a tough time with you

    This Rick Grimes?

    http://www.tvstyleguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/rick_grimes_cover1.jpg

  343. Bitterlaw says:

    I refuse to believe that Deborah “Debbie” Gibson is lying about Roy Moore. Look at her. No way would she make it up.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51FlnQ6Ip3L._SX372_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

  344. Paul says:

    Regarding the girl for which he had purchased alcohol….
    Roy’s actual words are this:

    “I believe this she said that she believed she was under age and as I recall she was 19 or older ”

    So is he saying he gave her alcohol but thought she was 19 or older.

  345. Robbie says:

    The panel on Hannity all believe good ole Roy was lying in his interview this afternoon.

    Geraldo called in the Alabama governor to postpone the election and put a new candidate on the ballot.

    If good ole Roy has lost FoxNews, then he’s finished.

  346. Tina says:

    Mitchie will not seat him, if he wins.

    That is going to be a battle.

    Mitchie needs to go.

  347. Tina says:

    Mitchie cannot market the tax cut either. First said one thing and now it ends up,raising taxes on the middle class, eli inates property tax deduxtion, etc.

    Dumb as a jebot

  348. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    What goes around,comes around!
    Big mouth gay George Takei gets accused of sexual abuse!

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-takei-accused-sexually-assaulting-model-1981-1056698

  349. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    An oldie but goodie re: Albert Gore.
    Why is he still celebrated?
    http://people.com/celebrity/al-gore-accused-of-sexual-assault/

  350. Phil says:

    Yeah, and the top deputy positions in the cabinet departments continue to be blocked by senate Democrats. Been nine of the 48 months of the new administration. Mitch seems helpless. Schumer is running rings around him. What a pathetic joke.

  351. Phil says:

    Check out the story over at Powerline. Even the RINOS over there have had a bellyful of McConnel’s lack of leadership.

  352. Tina says:

    Having those positioms filled are critical for governing.

    Mitchie needs to go.

    It is obvious.

  353. Tina says:

    WIther mitchie is that dumb, or he is purposefully sabotaging things.

  354. Jonesy says:

    Takei is another scumbag hypocrite

  355. Jonesy says:

    Paul is Robbie’s sidekick

  356. Jonesy says:

    Fox news? They , besides Hannity, try to sabotoge trump with all stops.

    Perino, hume, krauthead, baeir, megyn, cavuto are all GopE trash

  357. Jonesy says:

    Phil, the 30 hour post cloture rule is the hangup. Only used seldom by senate gop with obama. Blue slip too.

    Grassley good guy, but is old school and will not change rules

  358. Bitterlaw says:

    Why does anybody get to decide who else is a RINO? McConnell could just as legitimately accuse Republicans who disagree with him as being RINOs. I could call Jonesy and Phil RINOs and they could do the same to me. The civil war has to stop.

    Tina gave up her credentials when stopped being a Republican. I think she is registered as “decline to state” or whatever California calls it.

  359. Jonesy says:

    Takei, anti christian bigot, used roofies like bill cosby

  360. Bitterlaw says:

    Since there is no standard definition, I think Jonesy is a RINO.

  361. Jonesy says:

    Mcconnell’s wife is trump transportation secretary. Done a good job on judges. This is deep state/dnc/ and msm

  362. Jonesy says:

    Whatever bitter. And you are bush lover

  363. lisab says:

    Mitch seems helpless. Schumer is running rings around him.
    ——————–

    he does not want to help trump

    he wants open borders, high taxes on the middle class and obamacare and welfare for the illegals

  364. lisab says:

    The civil war has to stop.
    —————————-

    then perhaps you should stop shooting

  365. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Undercover video shows dairy farm worker kicking cows”

    Udderly ridiculous…

    https://apnews.com/29e9b08e1dbb4a3dae4a2b9ac4b998f6

  366. Bitterlaw says:

    Jonesy – I respect the job that both Bushes did as President. They made mistakes but were good Presidents.

    JEB! was not my choice in 2016. I first used the term JEB! to mock Robbie and Corey.

  367. Bitterlaw says:

    OK, lisab. I will try to stop shooting. We’ll see if anybody follows my lead. I doubt it.

  368. Cash Cow TM says:

    Well, between Hollywood, politicians, business people, comedians, etc., etc. it seems half of the women in America have each been raped at least a dozen times every month…

  369. MichiganGuy says:

    Alabama ABC Affiliate Can’t Find One Voter Who Believes WaPo Report About Roy Moore in Man-on-the-Street Segment

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/11/10/alabama-abc-affiliate-cant-find-one-voter-believes-wapo-report-roy-moore-man-street-segment/amp/

  370. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Just so everyone understands, I have no use for Moore. If I was an Alabama voter, I would vote for the Democrat over him. But in fairness believe the accusations against him are extremely questionable, and am offended by them. The fact Robbie, Paul and other trolls are pushing the bogus talking points on this issue explains how Trump got elected. You discredit yourself by pushing this nonsense, it has become laughable.

  371. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    374. “Undercover video shows dairy farm worker kicking cows” Udderly ridiculous…”

    When I was a kid, worked on dairy farm in Ft. Lupton, Colorado. Been kicked by dairy cows many times. But in my view, anyone who kicks or hurts a dairy cow belongs in prison for a long time.

  372. MichiganGuy says:

    #380 SanDiegoCitizen, is finally coming out of the closet and admits he is a democrat. Anyone else? Jason, Wes anyone?

  373. MichiganGuy says:

    Meant #379

  374. JC says:

    MichiganGuy says:
    November 11, 2017 at 1:11 am

    Alabama ABC Affiliate Can’t Find One Voter Who Believes WaPo Report About Roy Moore in Man-on-the-Street Segment
    ———————

    I doubt Moore loses much support in the long term… given how much republicans distrust the media. (And how much this kind of accusation has been thrown around)

    That said, he is digging himself in a hole by doing what he did tonight in the Sean Hannity interview. He should give this the 30 seconds this accusation warrants by calling it ‘desperate lies from fake news’ and move on to talking about how terrible Jones is.

    Don’t get mired in the trap. Change the subject to the issues and move on.

  375. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    381. Actually am a registered independent in California, and vote for Democrats all the time. However, probably Trump has voted for more Democrats than I have. Never made a claim I am a Republican.

  376. Tina says:

    I would not cote for hi. Either. As i stated in the past, the special election was mot needed. It could have waited jntil 2018, the general.

    Moore overlooked 2legal opinioms.

    I would not vote drat, like the jebots, however.

  377. JC says:

    Turns out the accuser is not only an ultra leftist who routinely bashed Trump, Moore, and other republicans on Facebook (which were conveniently deleted), but has also accused other church priests of rape (also conveniently deleted).

    Why bother deleting these posts about being raped if they were true? Is it maybe because they are expose her as a serial accuser which, you know, might be problematic for her credibility?

    CNN has not mentioned any of these problematic connections.

  378. Tina says:

    Other posts still active on her page repeatedly urge the immediate removal of President Donald Trump from office and show that Gibson “likes” far-left activist groups. She also pushed a petition drive to remove Steve Bannon from the National Security Council last February when Bannon was serving as the White House chief strategist.”

    Ginson is not credible. Clearly, a hack.

  379. Jonesy says:

    Tina and JC. This is a smear job for sure.

    I am hearing that the GopE is willing to lose the Seat, because they are afraid if Moore wins, Dems and females will run against Moore nationally.

    I have been defending Mitch M, but I am sick of the RNC cowards, never fight

  380. Jonesy says:

    379.The big picture on all of this is simple. If this is a Dan Rather type hit job by Schumer and WaPo, and they get away with it.

    They will feel emboldened to go after all in the GOP because they know the Establishment GOP will never fight back

  381. Jonesy says:

    We need Drudge to pick up on the accusers ties to Hillary and Doug Jones. That could change the narrative

  382. Wes says:

    Hey, MichiganTheocrat, I was a registered Republican from 1996 to 2006. Then I was a registered Libertarian till 2012. Since 2012, I’ve been a registered Independent.

    Never once have I voted for a Democrat though I refused to vote for Trump or McCain in 2016 and 2008 respectively.

    You should pay attention more before making unfounded speculation on other people’s partisan allegiance.

  383. DW says:

    391 – I am sure Drudge knows about the story, but he refuses to play because he hates Moore too

  384. Wes says:

    I don’t believe for a second McConnell snd Co. actually want to lose this seat.

    That sounds like condpiracy mongering off fringe sites like Bejohngalt.com.

  385. Bitterlaw says:

    Jonesy – From whom are you hearing that the RNC wants Moore to lose? RNC members or people who hate the never defined establishment like you? Theories by like-minded people is just speculation.

  386. Wes says:

    I do believe, however, national Republicans will now make more of a concerted effort to take out Steve Bannon’s anointed candidates so as to avoid another debacle like this.*

    *I still don’t believe the child molestation allegations sgainst Moore.

  387. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Being critical of Moore makes you a Democrat. Sending checks to Schumer, Reid and Hillary Clinton does not make you a Democrat. How did you not know that?

  388. Redmen4ever says:

    It may be sufficient and appropriate for Roy Moore to state that if he is convicted for this or any other sexual impropriety, or for a financial impropriety, he will resign; and, if he is indicted, he will consider resigning. But, without so much as indictment, it is offensive to the presumption of innocence for him or anybody else to resign or withdraw.

  389. Tina says:

    Just a commemt on the poll.

    Richard Baris
    @Peoples_Pundit
    @IngrahamAngle She gave way too much weight to that poll. You cannot poll a race in one day, and definitely not one day after allegations/scandals etc. like this. It’s not even ethical, forget the issues re: methodology. There are reasons we poll over multiple days.
    8:05 PM · Nov 10, 2017

    Baris is ppd pollster

  390. Tina says:

    Concertrd effort

    Mitchie blew $30million in the primary.

  391. Wes says:

    That would be seen as an equivocation on Moore’s part and invite speculation on his guilt. He should just continue to vehemently deny the claims.

    One thing I remember from last night is that Robbie says the girl has dates, times, and phone numbers.

    I’m not saying it’s impossible, but really what are the odds a 14-year-old in 1979 was going to meticulously record every aspect of her molestation down to the time of the molestation?

    If she did, why was this never presented to the police at the time as evidence of a crime?

  392. Tina says:

    So far several agencies gutted

    Departmemt of no education

    Department of no energy.

    And the Corrupt, state dept.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/us/politics/state-department-buyouts.html

  393. Tina says:

    She nas nothing. She is not a presentable witness.

    The other ome of 3nothingburgers is clearly a partisan hack. You would think if the wp reporter, who has her own issues, is credible, she would have noted it.

  394. Jonesy says:

    True Wes, but at this point I just want to hold the seat. I wanted strange to win the primary, my posts here prove that, I knew this MSM garbage was coming

    I do not think McConnell wants to lose it, but by cutting off his $$$ it tells me, and others, that they will accept it for the good of the National GOP

  395. Tina says:

    How or why iare their story after story that tillerson will be fired, trump dislikes tillerson, etc.

    I have always seen those 2 together.

    Mullah corker bought the trump dislikes tillerson story, hookline amd sinker.

  396. Jonesy says:

    397. Bitter your act is getting tired. always trying to put words in people’s mouth. One poster on the right posts something, and then you lump everybody else in.

    Sorry that not everyone here is GopE sheep like yourself. I want to win, but I also am wary of WaPo and the smear laden MSM

  397. Jonesy says:

    405. Tina, the worst was after the audio tape. NBC news sources say trump stepping down, Pence is stepping down etc….

  398. Jonesy says:

    392. Wes, you never have to defend yourself here. You and a few others, are the only reason I still come to this site.

    Wes, what are your timeline thoughts on Moore?

  399. Jonesy says:

    398. Well said Red.

    Write in will not work in my opinion, unless you find a White Knight to run.

    He would have to get off the ballot, only way

  400. Bitterlaw says:

    Looking back, I wish the McConnellhad spent more and defeated Moore.

  401. Wes says:

    It wasn’t that McConnell didn’t spend enough, Bitter.

    It was that he used his money to take out the wrong person. Senate Leadership Fund should have concentrated on Moore rather than Brooks in the primary. McConnell miscalculated though and assumed Moore would be easier to take out in a runoff.

    The easiest way to prevent this aside from not having Sessions become AG was to have Strange refuse Bentley’s appointment. That would have negated the taint of the appointment and ensured Strange wouldn’t have disqualifying baggage over his head that ultimately made Moore look like an acceptable alternative.

  402. Wes says:

    What do you mean about a timeline, Jonesy?

  403. Bitterlaw says:

    In 389, Jonesy “hears” that the GOP is willing to lose the seat but provides no source.

    In 404, Jonesy says he does not think McConnell wants to lose the seat.

    Jonesy is a man at war with himself.

  404. Jonesy says:

    McConnell does not run the GOP smart ass. Just the Senate Leader.

    Bitter are you late for that Soccer Mom Fundraiser?

  405. Jonesy says:

    Wes, how much time does he have if the polling gets bad?

  406. Bitterlaw says:

    Jonesy – I also like winners. You know who has the most winners? The never defined Establishment you hate so much. Here is a bit of shocking news for you. Trump is part of the never defined Edtablishment now. He and McConnell both backed Strange. Your savior sold out. Noooooooooo.

  407. Jonesy says:

    411. Kay Ivey blew it Wes. She must hate Luther.

  408. Jonesy says:

    416. No you are not making Sense

  409. Wes says:

    If the polling is bad, basically the State GOP is going to have to delay the election long enough to get him off the ballot. I doubt the special will be next month if Moore doesn’t show signs of improvement in the next round of polling.

  410. Bitterlaw says:

    I hate soccer.

    Did you get today’s agenda from Bannon?

  411. Wes says:

    I doubt Ivey expected this, Jonesy. In any event, the ALGOP certainly doesn’t want Jones to be a Senator.

  412. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, you are so similar to Robbie. Every argument you make is a crack at Trump.

    You are close to becoming another Bush Deadender, but I still respect that you are a believer and sucked it up and voted for Trump in a swing state.

    Be back later guys

  413. Wes says:

    This is why candidate vetting is critical. Bannon doesn’t understand that.

  414. Jonesy says:

    419. Thanks Wes. Good info

  415. Jonesy says:

    Bannon won the big one though. the one that nominates Judges

  416. Bitterlaw says:

    The fact that anybody expects that the national GOP would have to spend money in Alabama to win is sad.

  417. Wes says:

    Bannon now wants Cuban to run for President as a Democrat.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/steve-bannon-advised-mark-cuban-to-consider-running-in-2020-as-a-democrat

    Some committed conservative. 🙄

  418. Wes says:

    That might be a pyrrhic victory and force Trump to be like John Adams in late 1800 and early 1801 if things continue on their current trajectory, Jonesy.

  419. Bitterlaw says:

    I really should have copyrighted “Deadender” here. It no longer has the original meaning.

    Unlike Robbie, I voted for Trump. While I hope Trump is not the nominee in 2020. I would vote for him if he was.

    Unlike Robbie, I did not proclaim Moore’s accuser to automatically be telling the truth.

    Unlike Robbie, I did not support. JEB!

    Enjoy the day, Jonesy.

  420. Tina says:

    As soon as mitchie got involved, big dudes numbers tanked.

    Mitchie is toxic

  421. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    A poster at Red Racing Horses says that Gravis Marketing will soon release an Alabama poll that appears will show good news for Roy Moore.
    Here is a link to Gravis’ twitter feed.

    https://twitter.com/GravisMarketing?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    Does anyone have an opinion about the conservative website Big League Politics? I visited the site for the first time earlier today and was impressed by both substance and format.

  422. Tina says:

    Bannon also says that trump will win 400evs

  423. Bitterlaw says:

    I wish Bannon had convinced Trump to run as a Democrat in 2016. I think he would have beaten Hillary and saved us a few extra months of her being on tv.

  424. Tina says:

    The one day poll cited on this thread y the gope moderator is junk.

  425. Tina says:

    Vetting, this was not moores first race. He has been active for 40 years.

    No offense to fellow older people here, ie walt, but moore is too old at 70.

  426. Tina says:

    It gets worse for that one, jonesy. She went on her social media to delete things.

    She wanted bannon removed from the one group that he was a part of in march. The concern that he was a member of thst group reaks.

  427. Tina says:

    Richard Baris
    Richard Baris
    @Peoples_Pundit
    ·
    4m
    1. I suspected they wouldn’t, because: 1) WaPo already caught misleading us on the story; 2) has a track record of lies; 3) track record of hit pieces; 4) offends people by not understanding DC doesn’t get to elect pols for them.

    This is comments in response to the abc man on the street

  428. Tina says:

    Paul Joseph Watson
    Paul Joseph Watson
    @PrisonPlanet
    Alabama Accuser Deletes Anti-Moore Postings from Facebook, Rants About Removing Trump from Office

  429. Tina says:

    Richard Baris
    Richard Baris
    @Peoples_Pundit
    ·
    4m
    Replying to @Peoples_Pundit
    Re: that poll: You cannot run a poll the day of or after, for only one day. I’m honestly shocked no one else is defending what used to be considered industry standard. That’s basically a scientifically-questionable SNAP poll. There are reasons pollster survey over multiple days.

  430. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #437
    You posted an ABC “man on the Street” interviews in Alabama.
    It appears that NBC got the same result.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/alabama-republican-voters-stand-roy-moore-n819906

  431. Bitterlaw says:

    I do believe that the Washington Post ran the story to hurt Moore. The only question is why did it run so soon? Why not break the story a week or less before the election?

  432. Tina says:

    She wanted bannon removed as a member of the nsc.

    I think the resident muh russian loon had the same opinion

  433. Tina says:

    Interesting nbc article. Seems like a couple of drats are now with moore?

  434. JC says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 10, 2017 at 11:36 pm

    OK, lisab. I will try to stop shooting. We’ll see if anybody follows my lead. I doubt it.

    .
    .

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 11, 2017 at 7:42 am

    Wes – Being critical of Moore makes you a Democrat. Sending checks to Schumer, Reid and Hillary Clinton does not make you a Democrat. How did you not know that?

    ———————–

    Well, that lasted for few hours.

    BL, here’s a hint to help you stop shooting.

    Stop taking extreme and personal offense anytime someone criticizes republican senate leadership. We all saw how people like Sasse, Flake, and McCain immediately called for the resignation of Moore based on an accusation. Not evidence. Not proof. Not a charge or indictment.

    An accusation.

    They demanded that Moore should commit an act that would hand democrats a precious senate seat in a state that voted 62% for Trump… based on an accusation

    As long as these old Bush-style republicans keep siding with the msm, they will continued to be hated and despised by the base.

    And for the record, no, this was not a GOPe inspired smear. The people who claim so give McConnell and company way too much credit. This was a carefully crafted and orchestrated smear by WaPo that allows the media to put Moore and pedophilia in the same headline – while also absolving any legal trouble on Wapo’s part.

  435. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #441
    Good point! The MSM is getting sloppy. They also erred with the Trump Access Hollywood audio. It was too soon.
    This week,Gloria Allred and/or her daughter,Lisa Bloom, will start rolling out the lawsuits against Moore.

  436. Tina says:

    I misread the article aboit drats crossimg over. I read that the one big dude coter in orimary had a drat friend, amd both were now voting for moore.

  437. JC says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 11, 2017 at 9:19 am

    I do believe that the Washington Post ran the story to hurt Moore. The only question is why did it run so soon? Why not break the story a week or less before the election?
    —————

    Maybe they thought that releasing it a week before the election would be too late (lots of people would have already voted). Or they thought it was too obvious as a hit job. Or perhaps they plan oo rolling out more ‘accusers’ to keep the story alive throughout the campaign.

    It was the same with Trump’s access hollywood tape.

  438. JC says:

    If I were dems, I would have rolled out those 8 accussers against Trump first. Get the idea in people’s minds, even if they think these are hoaxes. Let Trump deny it.

    Then I would release the locker room tape. after about 2-3 weeks from the first accusations. This would have made them far more powerful.

  439. Tina says:

    Gibson has taineted this whole thing. Not her fault entirely, most of it is due to thw wp writers omission.

  440. MichiganGuy says:

    Report: Alabama Woman Claims Reporter Offered Her $1000s to Accuse Roy Moore of Sexual Abuse? (Updated)

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/alabama-woman-claims-wapo-reporter-offered-1000s-accuse-roy-moore-sexual-abuse/

  441. Chicon says:

    366 – Bitter asks why anyone gets to decide who is a RINO?

    I ask Bitter, why does anyone get to decide who is a deadender?

  442. Wes says:

    At least Gateway Pundit admits they’ve been unable to confirm the story. If true though, it will be a damning indictment of WaPo and will negate any negative fallout on Moore from these allegations.

  443. Cash Cow TM says:

    “381. Actually am a registered independent in California…”
    ############################################
    I am a registered Holstein…but usually vote Republican.

  444. Tina says:

    That gp report is fake imo.

    Doug kewis is a liar, he has been outted in the past.

    I think he is a foreigner too. Notice 1000$., not $1,000.

  445. Chicon says:

    451 – did you see the update in the article you linked?

  446. Tina says:

    Of more importantce, the one accuser has drat connections, connections the wp reporter failed to disclose, amd she scrubbed her social media, an admission of guilt.

  447. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    2m
    That time in 1998 when sitting POTUS Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000 to settle sexual harassment claims, and not one Democrat called for him to step down.

    Paging mccain…

  448. Chicon says:

    454 – Cow, I thought you were a registered heifer?

  449. Robbie says:

    Poor ole Roy. On Thursday, he said the story was a complete lie. By Friday afternoon, he couldn’t recall whether he dated teenage girls, but he did admit to knowing, conveniently, the two girls who were of legal age.

    After his dissembling interview with Sean Hannity, good ole Roy then spoke with an unnamed Senator on the phone according to Elaina Plott. Good ole Roy’s answers were so unconvincing to the Senator, he asked good ole Roy to drop out of the race. And who happened to unendorsed Roy Moore late Friday afternoon? Mike Lee.

    https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/11/11/in-call-with-us-lawmaker-roy-moore-doesnt-deny-kissing-teenagers-as-30-year-old/

  450. Tina says:

    The wp should not have included the three nothingburgersin the article in the first place.

    The wp writer will need to explain why she omitted debra being pro trump impeachment and anti moore. Just curioius as why this minor important detail was omitted.

  451. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 11, 2017 at 8:19 am
    This is why candidate vetting is critical. Bannon doesn’t understand that.

    – You make the mistake in believing Bannon cares about winning.

  452. Bitterlaw says:

    JC – GFY. I will take offense at whatever I choose. You flip out when a negative but factual statement is made about Trump. I know it drives you crazy that a person who voted for Trump actually hates him as a person.

    Just because I voted for him does not mean that I have to like or respect him. He is better than Hillary. That is about it for me. Since I already voted, there is no real way to support or oppose him now.

    In 2018, I will vote for all Republican incumbents. If any Trumpers get the nomination for any office, I will vote for them in the GE. Can you say that you would vote for a never defined Establishment Republican in 2018 in the GE if they beat a Trumper in the primary?

  453. Tina says:

    I am triggered today. Trump shook pooty poots hands three times today at apec. This proves muh russian collusion.

    Jebot

  454. Bitterlaw says:

    452 Easy. It was my term for the SEND A MESSAGE losers like Angle, Buck, COD, Akin and Mourdoch. I used it here first.

  455. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 11, 2017 at 10:05 am
    At least Gateway Pundit admits they’ve been unable to confirm the story. If true though, it will be a damning indictment of WaPo and will negate any negative fallout on Moore from these allegations.

    – Have you looked at the Twitter feed that made that accusation? It’s full of red flags.

    First, have you ever met a person who speaks the English language who puts the $ sign after 1000?

    Second, have you seen the myriad of post the account has made claiming to be a veteran with multiple purple hearts except in each tweet the number of purple hearts awarded changed?

    Third, in other tweets a language other than English is used. It’s almost certainly a bot account.

  456. Tina says:

    I see tillerson in an apec photo with trump and the vietnamese president

  457. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 11, 2017 at 10:19 am
    I am triggered today. Trump shook pooty poots hands three times today at apec. This proves muh russian collusion.
    Jebot

    – I think it’s nice the sanatorium allows you Internet privileges.

  458. Tina says:

    I wanted bannon kicked off the nsc, much like debbie.

    Jebot

  459. Robbie says:

    Here is the account that GatewayPundit, a lying fraud, used to claim the Washington Post paid for the story. How interesting that some of the tweets going back over along period of time were in Russian.

    https://twitter.com/umpire43

  460. Robbie says:

    Wes

    Here’s previous tweet from the account on whom GatewayPundit claimed the Washington Post paid sources with “1000$”.

    The account has also pushed the birther conspiracy.

    https://twitter.com/umpire43/status/838732795300179968

  461. Robbie says:

    MichiganGuy says:
    November 11, 2017 at 10:28 am
    “NBC News: Alabama Voters Standing by Roy Moore”
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/11/nbc-news-alabama-voters-standing-roy-moore/

    – He may be a pedophile, but gosh darn it a pedophile is better than a Democrat. Amirite?

  462. Redmen4ever says:

    From Society of Professional Journalists’ Code of Ethics:

    Be wary of sources offering information for favors or money; do not pay for access to news. Identify content provided by outside sources, whether paid or not.

    This is not an outright ban on offering money. But, if money were offered, and not disclosed to the readers of the Washington Post, we should “be wary of” the entire story.

    There are also warnings against conflict of interest. Traditionally, media separating news gathering and reporting from editorializing. Today, daily newspapers act like opinion magazines and blur the distinction between reporting and commentary (from a particular perspective). Without a commitment to balanced commentary, the very reasonable warning against conflict of interest is a warning against readers taking the so-called news seriously.

    Finally, I will mention that another part of the code of ethics is to treat vulnerable people with care. Vulnerable people are all parts of the Democratic coalition. It’s open season on deplorables and irredeemables.

  463. Bitterlaw says:

    I think Bannon cares about winning. However, he probably cares about steering a Democrat to victory as much as he cares about a Republican victory. He just wants to win and does not care which team he plays for.

  464. Tina says:

    wever, he probably cares about steering a Democrat to victory as much as he cares about a Republican victory. He

    Is this your opinion, or are there any links?

  465. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 11, 2017 at 1:12 am
    The fact Robbie, Paul and other trolls are pushing the bogus talking points on this issue explains how Trump got elected. You discredit yourself by pushing this nonsense, it has become laughable.

    – Bogus talking points? Name one. That good ole Roy’s story has changed? That I find the accuser’s account credible? Why wouldn’t I? Good ole Roy’s story changed within the first 24 hours. He went from “it’s all a lie” to “I know the girls who were of age, but I don’t know the underage girl”. How much else will change with good ole Roy’s story?

  466. MichiganGuy says:

    BL and Robbie have at least one thing in common. They both think their opinions are facts. 🙂

  467. Bitterlaw says:

    My opinion, Tine. Since the sentence began with “I think,” that should have been a key to your determination.

    You are just mad that when people post statements like “I hear that the Establishment wants Moore to lose” or “McCain says tax bill is DOA” I ask for a source. I don’t believe sources have been provided for those statements.

  468. Robbie says:

    So I see Redmen4ever fell for the Gateway Pundit story and totally believes a bot account that has often tweeted in Russian and peddles the birther conspiracy.

    Again, how many people place the $ sign after the money amount? How many people use a comma “,” for a contraction rather than an apostrophe “‘” like this twitter account does?

  469. Bitterlaw says:

    BL and Robbie have at least one thing in common. They both think their opinions are facts.

    Give me an example in regard to me or GFY.

  470. Robbie says:

    MichiganGuy says:
    November 11, 2017 at 10:38 am
    BL and Robbie have at least one thing in common. They both think their opinions are facts. ?

    – How do you respond to good ole Roy’s story changing in just 24 hours?

  471. Tina says:

    You asked me for sources, dont think so?

    As far as mccain and tax cuts being doa, you can look it up for yourself.

  472. Tina says:

    And i am mad that you ask for a source?

  473. Tina says:

    You may want to use imo or in my opinion, next time.

  474. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wow, look at all the protesters today at a Roy Moore speech honoring Veterans. And the protesters look clean and professional.
    http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/11/roy_moore_in_vestavia_hills_fo.html#incart_big-photo

    (This is written tongue in cheek.)

  475. Bitterlaw says:

    MG thinks that Robbie and I are the same but ignores the FACT that I voted for Trump. He ignores the FACT that I have not endorsed the truth of Moore’s accusers. He ignores the FACT that I have posted repeatedly that if Trump is the Republican nominee in 2020 that I will vote for him. He ignores the FACT that I posted repeatedly that I wished that McCain had voted for the Not Repeal and Not Replace Obamacare bill.

  476. Bitterlaw says:

    You may want to use imo or in my opinion, next time.

    I thought you were smarter, Tina. I will not repeat that error in judgment.

  477. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #486
    Add:
    In the photographs accompanying the story, is the protester with the purple hair Robbie? Which ones are Paul and ObamaCon?

  478. lisab says:

    One thing I remember from last night is that Robbie says the girl has dates, times, and phone numbers.
    —————————

    that sounded odd, the phone number part especially, so i looked at her story.

    that was a fabrication by robbie.

    she said he called her, she never called him. at best she told the reporter her old phone number.

  479. Tina says:

    Rottie lies, bl does not lie.

    There is a difference.

  480. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 11, 2017 at 10:47 am
    #486
    Add:
    In the photographs accompanying the story, is the protester with the purple hair Robbie? Which ones are Paul and ObamaCon?

    – People supported Todd Akin to the end. Big deal.

  481. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 11, 2017 at 10:49 am
    Rottie lies, bl does not lie.
    There is a difference.

    – And you wouldn’t even be eligible for the death penalty if you killed someone because your IQ isn’t high enough.

  482. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    November 11, 2017 at 10:48 am
    One thing I remember from last night is that Robbie says the girl has dates, times, and phone numbers.
    —————————
    that sounded odd, the phone number part especially, so i looked at her story.
    that was a fabrication by robbie.
    she said he called her, she never called him. at best she told the reporter her old phone number.

    – A fabrication, huh? Kind of like when you claimed I was gay in an effort to discredit me.

    I love the way you and other have gone to battle stations to defend a guy accused of molesting a 14 year old girl and who has now.

  483. Wes says:

    Robbie takes the Clinton approach of accusing the accuser rather than addressing the charge.

  484. Wes says:

    I love the way you and other have gone to battle stations to defend a guy accused of molesting a 14 year old girl and who has now.

    Apparently Robbie doesn’t believe in completing sentences.

  485. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie appears a little desperate this morning. The bottom line to me is that this story is 40 years old and the accusers had ample opportunities to spill the beans over the years and chose not to.Plus, only one story is potentially disturbing and the accuser’s credibility is highly suspect.Why would this accuser gladly vote for The Donald in 2016 if he committed the same or more physical attacks against women as claimed by those who are/did sue him after the Access Hollywood video?

  486. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 11, 2017 at 10:54 am
    Robbie takes the Clinton approach of accusing the accuser rather than addressing the charge.

    – So a Russian bot account that no one has ever heard of before tweets out something ridiculous, GatewayPundit (a known liar) picks it up, and I’m supposed to believe it?

    I thought you were a more discerning, Wes.

  487. Bitterlaw says:

    The fact that she waited nearly 40 years is not the main problem for me. Some people keep things like these events private for many years because it does not serve any purpose to disclose it.

    I am suspicious of this accusation and wish there was a way to determine its veracity. cannot accept it or reject it based on the published story.

  488. Chicon says:

    498 – a bit of irony there….

  489. Phil says:

    Gateway Pundit – known liar

    Washington Post – truth in journalism

    Got it.

  490. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 11, 2017 at 10:56 am
    Robbie appears a little desperate this morning. The bottom line to me is that this story is 40 years old and the accusers had ample opportunities to spill the beans over the years and chose not to.Plus, only one story is potentially disturbing and the accuser’s credibility is highly suspect.Why would this accuser gladly vote for The Donald in 2016 if he committed the same or more physical attacks against women as claimed by those who are/did sue him after the Access Hollywood video?

    – A little desperate? That’s pretty funny. It’s the fans of good ole Roy who are defending a guy accused of pedophilia and a guy who has already changed his story at least once in the 24 hours since the story came out.

    How do you account for good ole Roy saying the entire story was a lie on Thursday and then saying 24 hours he knew two of the girls and couldn’t deny he dated teenagers when he was in his 30’s?

    Which is it? Was the story a complete lie as good ole Roy said on Thursday? Or is the story partially correct as good ole Roy said on Friday?

  491. Chicon says:

    499 – good points, both of them.

  492. Phil says:

    Kind of with Bitter on this one. Wish there actually was a way to determine its veracity. No way to verify it. Voters have to make that determination individually.

  493. MichiganGuy says:

    I think I hit a nerve. Bitterlaw, thou protest too much. 🙂

  494. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:02 am
    Gateway Pundit – known liar
    Washington Post – truth in journalism
    Got it.

    – Yes, I’ll take the reporting of the Washington Post over Jim Hoft and Gateway Pundit. That’s especially true when Hoft bases a story on a Russian bot Twitter account.

  495. Phil says:

    My understanding was that he maintains the 14 year old stuff was untrue. Still sorting through all the ins and outs.

  496. MichiganGuy says:

    Robbie, that is because, you love anything against Trump or Moore.

  497. Phil says:

    …of course you will.

    Kind of like what Glenn Reynolds always says.

    Just think of the MSM outlets as Democrats with bylines.

  498. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:07 am
    My understanding was that he maintains the 14 year old stuff was untrue. Still sorting through all the ins and outs.

    – On Thursday, the entire story was untrue. On Friday, part of the story was true, but the part with a minor was, conveniently, untrue.

    Lawyers like Bitterlaw would love to get that person on the stand and show the jury the inconsistencies.

  499. jason says:

    “Yes, I’ll take the reporting of the Washington Post over Jim Hoft and Gateway Pundit.”

    Yes, of course you will, you will take the reporting of ANY left wing and moonbat source if it supports your preconceived notions.

    You are the king of selective polls and selective news here, I have to grant you that.

  500. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #503
    40 years’ old story, Robbie. Memories fade. Moore’s answers about the main accusation have not changed.
    Look, I heard that you would place your pencil on the floor in your first grade classroom in order to look up your teacher’s skirt. I suspect this happened about 35-40 years ago and your classmates say that your story as to its veracity has changed over the years.

  501. Phil says:

    …but that isn’t going to happen is it? So we are where we are.

  502. Bitterlaw says:

    I think I hit a nerve. Bitterlaw, thou protest too much.

    Zzzzzzz. Just giving you FACTS that destroy your accusation.

  503. Robbie says:

    MichiganGuy says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:07 am
    Robbie, that is because, you love anything against Trump or Moore.

    – If the conservative movement has reached the point where it will believe Jim Hoft and a Russian Twitter bot account over reporting from the Washington Post, then the conservative movement has failed and deserves to blow up.

  504. Redmen4ever says:

    With regard to what I might have fallen for:

    “if money were offered”

  505. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:08 am
    …of course you will.
    Kind of like what Glenn Reynolds always says.
    Just think of the MSM outlets as Democrats with bylines.

    – And you’ve decided you’ll believe a conspiracy theorist because he tells you what you want to hear.

  506. jason says:

    nd couldn’t deny he dated teenagers when he was in his 30’s?”

    LOL… so a 30 year old guy can’t date a nineteen year old woman?

    Really? Poor Wobbie gets completely unhinged when the narrative doesn’t go his way.

  507. MichiganGuy says:

    Robbie, no inconsistencies. He says he doesn’t Remember her but, he know he didn’t have sec with a 14 year old.

  508. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:10 am
    “Yes, I’ll take the reporting of the Washington Post over Jim Hoft and Gateway Pundit.”
    Yes, of course you will, you will take the reporting of ANY left wing and moonbat source if it supports your preconceived notions.
    You are the king of selective polls and selective news here, I have to grant you that.

    – And it appears you will take the ramblings of a conspiracy theorist like Jim Hoft if it supports your preconceived notion the media is out to get you and the things you like.

  509. Chicon says:

    511 – those same lawyers would also enjoy testing the inconsistencies in the stories of the accusers and the reporter. So what?

  510. MichiganGuy says:

    Sec not sec

  511. jason says:

    GatewayPundit (a known liar)”

    Yeah, Wobbie’s standard of truth in journalism is Mika Scarface….

  512. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Bitter and Phil
    Like I said, the main accuser could have stopped Moore’s career a half dozen times prior to his current Senate campaign. The reasons she gave for not doing so at those times,IMHO, are feeble.
    Also, her enthusiastic political embrace of Trump in 2016, who had been accused of much more tawdry behavior toward women, is exculpatory toward Mr. Moore.

  513. Phil says:

    I didn’t say I believed either way. Unlike you, I don’t automatically buy a hit piece from the Washington Post a month before an election of an event that allegedly occurred forty years ago that has never come up during five statewide races.

    I know, I know…It’s the almighty Washington Post. Ooh ah.

  514. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:13 am
    nd couldn’t deny he dated teenagers when he was in his 30’s?”
    LOL… so a 30 year old guy can’t date a nineteen year old woman?
    Really? Poor Wobbie gets completely unhinged when the narrative doesn’t go his way.

    – On Thursday, good ole Roy said the entire story was a lie. Every part of it. On Friday, he changed his story. If he’s willing to change part of his story after just 24 hours and under questioning from Hannity, what else was not true from his original denial?

  515. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:15 am
    511 – those same lawyers would also enjoy testing the inconsistencies in the stories of the accusers and the reporter. So what?

    – What are the inconsistencies of her story? And a Jim Hoft story doesn’t count.

  516. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:16 am
    GatewayPundit (a known liar)”
    Yeah, Wobbie’s standard of truth in journalism is Mika Scarface….

    – Nice effort at deflection, but it still doesn’t change the fact you have appeared to side with Hoft over the Washington Post.

  517. jason says:

    To the men and women who have put themselves in harm’s way for our country and to their families Happy Veteran’s Day and thank you.

  518. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #519- jason
    I also find it sweet that if a young woman he wanted to meet still lived at home, he would first get her Mother’s blessing before asking her for a date.
    That is old school and charming!( Bitter will attack this M.O. because it is very Southern!)

  519. Phil says:

    Robbie, no one over here outside of you is impressed with the Washington Post. Quit spouting on and on about the Washington Post like it’s some kind of pillar of journalistic objectivity and integrity.

    Just stop.

  520. MichiganGuy says:

    Robbie thinks the Washington post never printed a false story 🙂

    https://www.google.com/search?ei=zRcHWrLBMIXTvwTp1pzABg&q=Washington+Post+prints+retraction+&oq=Washington+Post+prints+retraction+&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3…3016482.3046759.0.3047596.43.36.1.0.0.0.0.0..0.0….0…1.1j4.64.mobile-gws-serp..42.1.36.3..35i39k1.177.xYj9ZrkJ8qQ

  521. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #530
    Ditto from me and a special thought and thank you to my late Father, a WW II Marine!

  522. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:21 am
    #519- jason
    I also find it sweet that if a young woman he wanted to meet still lived at home, he would first get her Mother’s blessing before asking her for a date.
    That is old school and charming!( Bitter will attack this M.O. because it is very Southern!)

    – Doorbell rings.

    Mother answers the door and sees a man in his mid thirties.

    The man in his mid thirties asks the mother if he can take her 16 year old daughter on a date.

    How romantic.

  523. jason says:

    ut it still doesn’t change the fact you have appeared to side with Hoft over the Washington Post”

    Huh, I don’t even know what Jim Hoft posted, in fact I don’t even know who Jim Hoft is, can you find any post where I said I sided with him.

    I just made the general comment that you are addicted to MSM fake news when it fits your narrative, and if I wanted credible news I certainly would not go to the WAPO.

    Now GFY.

  524. Phil says:

    That’s quite a list, MG.

  525. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:22 am
    Robbie, no one over here outside of you is impressed with the Washington Post. Quit spouting on and on about the Washington Post like it’s some kind of pillar of journalistic objectivity and integrity.
    Just stop.

    – You mean no one in this forum is impressed with the reporting of the Washington Post.

    But people in this forum routinely believe “news” from conspiracy websites so long as it reaffirms their views.

  526. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:24 am
    ut it still doesn’t change the fact you have appeared to side with Hoft over the Washington Post”
    Huh, I don’t even know what Jim Hoft posted, in fact I don’t even know who Jim Hoft is, can you find any post where I said I sided with him.
    I just made the general comment that you are addicted to MSM fake news when it fits your narrative, and if I wanted credible news I certainly would not go to the WAPO.
    Now GFY.

    – And you’ve apparently become reflexively addicted to supporting someone simply because he has a R next to his name.

    At least when you supported Rubio in 2016, he was worth the support. He was a real Republican and a real conservative.

  527. Phil says:

    – You mean no one in this forum is impressed with the reporting of the Washington Post.

    Bingo. You got it. Carries a lot of weight with the DNC though.

  528. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #535
    Your presentation is wrong. The correct one is:
    Phone Rings
    Mother answers the phone and Mr. Moore asks if he could see her daughter. He says that I am in my early 30’s.

    Mother says no.
    Mr. Moore goes quietly away forever.

    I guess you now have problems with a man being a gentleman.

  529. jason says:

    If he’s willing to change part of his story after just 24 hours and under questioning from Hannity, what else was not true from his original denial?”

    Zzzzzzz…. I certainly don’t remember the details of every date I had 30 years ago.

    What is important here is that he denies any impropriety and unless there is some kind of evidence or corroboration it’s a he said she said kind of situation that should not derail anybody’s political career.

    This is from somebody who would LOVE to see Roy Moore’s political career destroyed, but not by a conveniently timed unsubstantiated accusation from 40 years ago.

  530. Chicon says:

    528 – the gp story says it can’t verify the story in the tweets. Not sure what the beef is with this particular example….

    The point is, Captain Logic, that a good lawyer like Bitter would make these claims look weak, just as they’d make Moore’s story look weak. I ask again…..so what?

    I say this as someone who does not like Moore and TENDS to believe the WaPo story. But a story like this at this point in the electoral process deserves a LARGE amount of scrutiny. Before the recent onset of your Trump Derangement Syndrome you would have agreed.

  531. Phil says:

    I proudly supported Rubio as well and would support him again in 2020.

  532. jason says:

    supporting someone simply because he has a R next to his name.”

    I think I have just been called a Roy Moore supporter.

    I am sorry Bitter and other A-holes, but I don’t think there will be any points left for the rest of the day.

  533. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:29 am
    #535
    Your presentation is wrong. The correct one is:
    Phone Rings
    Mother answers the phone and Mr. Moore asks if he could see her daughter. He says that I am in my early 30’s.
    Mother says no.
    Mr. Moore goes quietly away forever.
    I guess you now have problems with a man being a gentleman.

    – Which is why good ole Roy would pick up the girls in the story around the block from their houses.

  534. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:32 am
    supporting someone simply because he has a R next to his name.”
    I think I have just been called a Roy Moore supporter.
    I am sorry Bitter and other A-holes, but I don’t think there will be any points left for the rest of the day.

    – No, I know you think Moore is a scumbag.

  535. Tina says:

    Hoft did not write the story. He linked to it and the update indicates that theyncoukd not verify it.

    Oan is reporting that it is true.

    I still say false.

    The reporter would not be so dumb

  536. jason says:

    I won’t jump of the Roy Moore attack bandwagon for this allegation because there is a much bigger picture here. It’s not just about Roy Moore.

    If you can derail somebody’s political career by making unsubstantiated he said she said accusations from episodes 40 years ago, its a slippery slope that will have no end to it. Nobody will be safe from bogus accusations.

    Wobbie is taking the short sighted approach, he hates Moore so he is willing to sacrifice any standard of objectivity to get rid of him. Same with Trump, he is willing to support any bogus theory in order to overturn the legitimate results of the election.

    He is too stupid to realize that in the long term these things can come back and be used against candidates he supports.

    But then, nobody ever claimed Wobbie was a deep thinker.

  537. Redmen4ever says:

    There is only one allegation of sexual impropriety, viz., that a 31 year old assistant district attorney molested a 14 year old girl, 39 years ago, in a court house.

    That a 31 year old dated “teenage girls,” (16 through 18, in dates involving hugging and kissing, if that) does not corroborate the allegation. It actually contradicts the allegation. Child molesters go after children.

    “The single greatest cause that drives an adult to sexually interact with a child is a sexual desire for a little girl or boy.”

    “Pedophiles molest 88 percent of our children who are molested. They commit 95 percent of the acts. This is a serious disorder.”

    https://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pages/focus_on_the_cause.html

    If Roy Moore is convicted in a court of law of molesting a child, he should be removed from office. If he is indicted, I would have to see the evidence as removal might be indicated. (The standard for removal from office doesn’t have to be “beyond a reasonable doubt,” but could be something like “the preponderance of the evidence, as in a civil case).

    We know that a Democrat could have sex with an intern in the oval office, and his party will say it’s not impeachable. But, since Republicans will turn on one of their own, nobody need worry about how long a Republican will remain in office if the evidence is developed.

    Those who think this is a cut-and-day case, that a district attorney will come forward with an indictment and then share the evidence; or, that a civil case will be filed and then share the evidence, need not fear that Moore, like Bill Clinton, won’t be removed from office.

  538. Chicon says:

    Question is how did the four women’s (who didn’t know each other) stories end up with the WaPo reporter at the same time? Seems to me that the reporter had to find them. How?

    I know Robbie doesn’t care because he hates, but the answers to these questions would help me assess the credibility of the story. Because, while I tend to believe it, the timing smells.

  539. jason says:

    I would support Cuban running as a Dem.

    Because if he won he would be better than most of the moonbats that are going to run.

    At least he is not against capitalism and profits.

  540. Jonesy says:

    Ironic Robbie, that all the bloggers that you call dimwits, predicted a Trump victory even after the audio tape.

    What did you post after the tape Robbie? That Hillary would win Utah?

    Why is your cred any better than Gateway Pundit?

  541. Jonesy says:

    Cuban endorsed Hillary, sat in front row for her at debates.

    Wait until the video of him trying to assault NBA ref’s comes to light again

  542. Robbie says:

    I’m taking the shortsighted approach? Moore is a scumbag who has no respect for the law. He’s been thrown off the state supreme court twice. And now he has been accused, credibly in my opinion, of molesting a 14 year old when he was in his 30’s. On top of that, his total denial of the story has already changed in just the first 24 hours. What other parts of his denial will change?

    I’m sorry, but it’s not shortsighted to say the Republican Party needs to get as far away from Roy Moore as possible just as it was right for the party to get far away from Bob Packwood back in the 1990’s. The last thing the Republican Party needs is to be accused of turning a blind eye to molestation and pedophilia. That’s unless you think the ads Democrats will run in 2018 accusing Republican of ignoring pedophilia just to win a Senate race are fine?

  543. Jonesy says:

    Robbie in too deep. Never can admit he was wrong, like a stubborn old man

  544. Paul says:

    I’m nearly 50 years old now. I lived during the 1980s when Roy was in his dating prime. However, I wouldn’t have even considered dating a high school student when I was an adult. And I don’t recall men doing such a thing for the most part. There were some, but they were always considered pretty creepy. Of course, I was in Indiana not Alabama. Maybe things are different down there.

  545. jason says:

    The timing stinks.

    Roy Moore has been in countless campaigns, why weren’t these allegations made before?

    All of a sudden, his candidacy for a national office attracts this type of accusation, dug up by a leftist news source with an obvious agenda.

    It smells to high heaven.

  546. Jonesy says:

    555. Bill Clinton was disbarred, raped J Broderick and paid 850k to P Jones while POTUS.

    what is your point Robbie? There was proof against Bubba, no proof so far for Moore

  547. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:42 am
    Question is how did the four women’s (who didn’t know each other) stories end up with the WaPo reporter at the same time? Seems to me that the reporter had to find them. How?
    I know Robbie doesn’t care because he hates, but the answers to these questions would help me assess the credibility of the story. Because, while I tend to believe it, the timing smells.

    – The Washington Post reporter said she heard rumors of this when reporting on another story in Alabama and decided to seek out the women. It’s called reporting. That’s what they did. On top of that, an Alabama political blogger said he had heard rumors of Roy’s dating habits for years.

  548. jason says:

    nd now he has been accused, credibly in my opinion,”

    So far there is nothing credible about it, sorry. In fact it stinks to high heaven of a politically motivated hit piece.

    I want to get rid of Roy Moore as much as you do, but this is not the right way to go about it.

  549. Jonesy says:

    Phil, if Rubio was the nominee, who I like, would be torn to shreds by the MSM.

  550. jason says:

    “Tt’s called reporting.”

    LOL

    Wobbie IS a clown.

  551. Jonesy says:

    560. Rumors and hearsay. all women are partisan Dems

  552. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:47 am
    The timing stinks.
    Roy Moore has been in countless campaigns, why weren’t these allegations made before?
    All of a sudden, his candidacy for a national office attracts this type of accusation, dug up by a leftist news source with an obvious agenda.
    It smells to high heaven.

    – Just because the timing sucks doesn’t mean the story is wrong and Moore has already changed his story.

    GWB was in public life for years and got hit with the DUI story five days before the 2000 election.

    It’s politics. Late hits are part of the game.

  553. Chicon says:

    560 – non-responsive.

  554. jason says:

    “she said she heard rumors”

    Surreal.

  555. Jonesy says:

    Sheeple, in terms of Gravis, I would like to know what polling was like for Akin and Murdoch after their comments?

    did they bounce up or down, and then tank?

  556. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:50 am
    nd now he has been accused, credibly in my opinion,”
    So far there is nothing credible about it, sorry. In fact it stinks to high heaven of a politically motivated hit piece.
    I want to get rid of Roy Moore as much as you do, but this is not the right way to go about it.

    – What is the right way? Wait for video tape that will never come? Let him win and then have the Senate either refuse to seat him or vote to expel him?

  557. Chicon says:

    561 – agreed completely. To Robbie, the ends justify the means.

  558. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    37m
    For years, Bill Clinton’s accusers have maintained that @HillaryClinton shamed, threatened, and silenced them.

    Not one Democrat or GOPe RINO defenses those women and demanded Hillary drop out in 2016.

    Their current feigned sanctimony makes me sick.

  559. Jonesy says:

    GWB was guilty by facts on the DUI. Moore has not admitted anything

  560. jason says:

    and Moore has already changed his story.”

    Zzzzzzzz…

    He denies any impropriety, any other details from 40 years ago are not important.

    Let me know when he admits to any impropriety.

  561. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:51 am
    560. Rumors and hearsay. all women are partisan Dems

    – And what you just wrote is rumor and hearsay. The girl who was 14 at the time said she voted for Trump in 2016 and McCain and Romney in 2008 and 2012. Is that the mark of partisan Democrat? Do partisans vote for the other party?

  562. Jonesy says:

    571. Robbie has no problem with that Tina. All things lead to Trump. His Holy Grail

  563. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:54 am
    561 – agreed completely. To Robbie, the ends justify the means.

    – Why am I not surprised a guy who believed Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC and believed Napolitano’s claim believes Roy Moore’s changing story.

  564. Jonesy says:

    She said voted for Trump? Is their proof of that?

  565. jason says:

    What is the right way?”

    The right way is to expel him from the Senate IF he is convicted in a court of law for any wrongdoing.

  566. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:54 am
    and Moore has already changed his story.”
    Zzzzzzzz…
    He denies any impropriety, any other details from 40 years ago are not important.
    Let me know when he admits to any impropriety.

    – On Thursday, he said the ENTIRE story was a lie. On Friday, he said something different.

  567. jason says:

    aid she voted for Trump in 2016 and McCain and Romney in 2008 and 2012.”

    LOL

    Wobbie “knows this for a fact”.

    I love this place.

  568. Jonesy says:

    Juanita Broderick voted for Clinton Twice. MSM did not believe her that she was assaulted. Her husband was a Clinton donor

  569. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:56 am
    What is the right way?”
    The right way is to expel him from the Senate IF he is convicted in a court of law for any wrongdoing.

    – Was Bob Packwood convicted of wrong doing?

    You’re willing to risk Democrat ad after Democrat ad in 2018 suggesting Republicans turned a blind eye to pedophilia just so Republicans can hold onto this seat?

    As Romney said, politics isn’t the court of law. It’s a different standard.

  570. Jonesy says:

    Robbie is a one trick pony. Trump Trump Trump

  571. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:58 am
    aid she voted for Trump in 2016 and McCain and Romney in 2008 and 2012.”
    LOL
    Wobbie “knows this for a fact”.
    I love this place.

    – Did you actually rad the Washington Post story?

  572. Jonesy says:

    Romney is a expert of course. A one term Blue State Governor that kissed Teddy Kennedy’s Butt, and blew the 2012 election. sigh

  573. jason says:

    Thursday, he said the ENTIRE story was a lie. On Friday, he said something differen”

    Zzzzzzzzz….

    He denies any impropriety. If the details changed after 40 years, so what?

    Again, HE DENIES ANY IMPROPRIETY.

    Unless there is some kind of substantiation to this woman’s story, and there does not seem there is, then you can’t just say something happened 40 years ago and expect it to destroy someone’s career, no matter how distasteful the person is.

  574. Robbie says:

    rad = read

  575. Robbie says:

    Considering you think Moore is a scumbag who has no respect for the law, would you expect him to do anything other than deny impropriety?

  576. Jonesy says:

    Read the WaPo? the paper has no cred anymore. The writer was a Check Forger.

    This is the reason we got Obama. Robbie and the Bush Family never fought back the MSM.

    Bush admin did not even fight back against the Dan Rather story of 2004. Conservative bloggers blew that wide open

  577. jason says:

    ‘Did you actually rad the Washington Post story?”

    No.

    But I didn’t read Jim Hoft or the Gateway Pundit either.

  578. jason says:

    Conservative bloggers blew that wide open”

    Actually it was Little Green Footballs, which later became a full blown moonbat site.

  579. jason says:

    LGF went the way of Polipundit, two sites I used to post on that self destructed.

  580. Jonesy says:

    505. True Phil. comes down to Alabama voters, like McCain with Arizona.

    I like Wes’ take if the polls tank though on Moore, get special pushed back

  581. Tina says:

    Yeah same old baloney from rotti.

  582. Jonesy says:

    591. True Jason, but it was a good site in 04. National Review was involved too, before moved to the left also

  583. Redmen4ever says:

    Regarding the integrity of the Washington Post:

    According to the WP, Donald Trump while in the first class section of an airline, in front of a stewardess and in other passengers, molested a woman sitting next to him by putting his hand through a solid armrest and touching the woman in an inappropriate place.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/10/27/all-of-the-women-who-have-accused-trump-of-sexual-harassment-are-lying-the-white-house-says/?utm_term=.e8725e859c1e

    According to the Washington Post, Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen because his father was not a citizen at the time of his (Ted’s) birth:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ted-cruz-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/2016/01/12/1484a7d0-b7af-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html?utm_term=.97d1e9968985

    Yep, the Washington Post, totally vigilant when it comes to Republicans. Why bother with a trial, when you the Washington Post attacks a Republican.

  584. Jonesy says:

    Robbie is a waste of political knowledge, similar to NRO. Blind Trump Hatred dims any respect

  585. Jonesy says:

    Bezos is terrified of Anti-Trust, hates Trump

  586. jason says:

    Considering you think Moore is a scumbag who has no respect for the law, would you expect him to do anything other than deny impropriety?”

    It’s not the point.

    I would not be surprised if Moore’s lack of respect for the law caused him to break it in other instances besides the ones he lost his position about.

    But you can’t use that to believe any allegation against is true. Each one has to be taken on its own merits.

    If we allow someone to come forward after 40 years right before an election to derail anyone’s candidacy, we are opening a horribly dangerous precedent.

    No matter what we think of Roy Moore, unless there is some substantiation or evidence to back up this woman’s story, it should not be used to derail his candidacy, no matter how tempting it is in the short term.

    This kind of thing, if allowed, will come back to haunt candidates YOU support. Bet on it.

  587. Chicon says:

    576 – says the guy who believed Hillary was going to win Utah…..

  588. Jonesy says:

    1. Air Traffic controller arrested for having a WMD in Charlotte, NC

    2.Activist George Takei and Actor R Dreyfuss accused of sexual assault, after calling Trump a Pig and a rapist.

  589. Jonesy says:

    Chicon, Robbie and Corey hope we all forget the 2016 election, not just on the results, but doomsday opinions thru the Summer and Fall. Many blew the election, but these two still try to act like experts

  590. Jonesy says:

    Do you have to be a scumbag to get into National Politics?

    Many say Mitt is a great moral man, but if he was why go into politics?

  591. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    November 11, 2017 at 12:13 pm
    576 – says the guy who believed Hillary was going to win Utah…..

    – Except I didn’t, but thanks for playing.

  592. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 11, 2017 at 12:19 pm
    Chicon, Robbie and Corey hope we all forget the 2016 election, not just on the results, but doomsday opinions thru the Summer and Fall. Many blew the election, but these two still try to act like experts

    – Meanwhile, I guess you hope we all forget your predictions about Virginia.

  593. Tina says:

    Trump blamed “this artificial Democratic hit job” for getting in the way of a productive relationship between the U.S. and Russia on issues like Syria and Ukraine.

    “It gets in the way and that’s a shame,” Trump said. “Because people will die because of it, and it’s a pure hit job, and it’s artificially induced and that’s a shame.”

    Do not take the people will die comment literally.

  594. Jonesy says:

    605. Nice comeback, Meatloaf

  595. Jonesy says:

    Breitbart

    Moore gets a standing O at Veterans Day Dinner.

    who knows what is going on at this point? Just want to hold the seat, sick of the MSM

  596. Tina says:

    Has any ne accusations been made?

    Any new women? Remeber what dw said.

  597. Bitterlaw says:

    My wife is three months younger than I am. The age difference has been a challenge but we are dealing with it.

    Men in their 30s dating teens? I vote creepy.

    As Jason says….Sue me.

  598. Jonesy says:

    609. Good point Tina

  599. Jonesy says:

    If this all started with the Alabama Media, it would be more believable.

    But a Southern Hating Yankee paper?

  600. Bitterlaw says:

    The time between the alleged event and the report is the least important reason to not believe her – IN MY OPINION, TINA.

  601. Robbie says:

    The Alabama governor has wide discretion to suspend and/or postpone the special election. According to a story in the New York Times, Republicans have discussed that option with Alabama’s governor and she has said she’s interested in it, but wants to know that Trump will back the decision.

    But since this story comes from the New York Times, is it believable? I’ve ben told they, along with the WaPo and others, are leftist propaganda outlets.

  602. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 11, 2017 at 12:50 pm
    If this all started with the Alabama Media, it would be more believable.
    But a Southern Hating Yankee paper?

    – You want an Alabama media source. Here’s one.

    Lauren Walsh?
    @LaurenWalshTV

    Mike Ortiz says he dated Corfman (Roy Moore’s accuser) for 2 years around 2009.
    He says during that time, she told him about a sexual encounter w/ Moore when she was young.
    Again: Moore calls these claims “completely false & a desperate political attack.”

    https://twitter.com/LaurenWalshTV/status/928785872958492672

  603. Paul says:

    Getting several childhood friends of Corfman, an ex-boy friend and an 80-year-old mom to collaborate her story probably cost the writer a good amount of cash.

  604. Paul says:

    I say let Roy run. His secret Bible Studies with a 14-year-old at his house in the woods shouldn’t be a factor.

  605. Tina says:

    Google “CNN,175,Sue”
    Google “CNN,175,Sue”
    @NolteNC
    The same Vichy Republicans prostrating themselves to believe WaPo today, just 5 years ago said WaPo lies about all things inconvenient to @MittRomney

    These are indecent people with no principles.
    9:57 AM · Nov 11, 2017

  606. Tina says:

    Google “CNN,175,Sue”
    @NolteNC
    ·
    1m
    Except you defended Romney from 40 year old eye-witness WaPo accts of his homophobic bullying.

    Vichy Republicans are indecent and have no principles.
    Peter Wehner
    @Peter_Wehner
    Watching Republicans in Alabama (and not only in Alabama) rally to defend Roy Moore shows how advanced the moral corruption is. What an ugly and dispiriting display.

  607. Tina says:

    Google “CNN,175,Sue”
    @NolteNC
    The #LoveWins crowd is suddenly uptight about a 12 year age difference between two people over the age of consent.
    10:17 AM · Nov 11, 2017

  608. jason says:

    “Manwhile, I guess you hope we all forget your predictions about Virginia.”

    LOL

    I predicted Northam would win by 3. He won by 9. But unlike you, who will repeat any BS that fits your narrative, I didn’t let my personal feelings about wanting Gillespie to win cloud my judgment that he was the underdog.

    GFY.

  609. Bitterlaw says:

    MD liked the term Vichy Republicans.

  610. jason says:

    ’ve ben told they, along with the WaPo and others, are leftist propaganda outlets.”

    You shouldn’t need to be told.

    You should have discovered that on your own.

    But again, nobody ever accused you of intelligence.

  611. jason says:

    MD liked the term Vichy Republicans”

    Yeah, and later they became Never Trumpers like him.

    Times change.

  612. jason says:

    Mike Ortiz says he dated Corfman (Roy Moore’s accuser) for 2 years around 2009.”

    Mike Ortiz? hmmmm….

    I think I remember a guy in the Army from AL who said his second cousin dated her too, and she said Roy was a perfect gentleman.

  613. jason says:

    I say let Roy run. His secret Bible Studies with a 14-year-old at his house in the woods shouldn’t be a factor.”

    I think Paul has a point, and is being consistent.

    Although Hillary enabled Bill to harass, grope and attack women for decades, including having sex with interns in the Oval Office, he had no objection to her running for President.

    I value consistency.

  614. lisab says:

    Men in their 30s dating teens? I vote creepy.
    ————-

    i agree it is icky, it was icky when prince charles dated princess diana

    but i bet more men would do it if they could

  615. Paul says:

    When your a prince, they let you get away with it….

  616. lisab says:

    her story does not make a lot of sense

    it is a story of two 14yo teens

    but even then, a14yo boy would have gone back for more

    almost certainly a predator would have had sex with her or tried again at another time

    it could be true, certainly people are inconsistent, it just does not match what i would expect from a man molesting a teen.

  617. Paul says:

    Whether Moore wins or loses, he will be a useful tool to paint other Republicans with the crazy/sleazy brush.

    Beto O’Rourke is already using it against Cruz.

  618. Chicon says:

    Yep, that’ll make a difference in TX.

  619. lisab says:

    to be clear, her story is very consistent with what would happen between two 14yo teens

  620. lisab says:

    Whether Moore wins or loses, he will be a useful tool to paint other Republicans with the crazy/sleazy brush.
    ———-

    with the sex scandals hitting the dems right now, many who have close ties with hollywood, i rather doubt it

  621. Paul says:

    Texas may be a long-shot, but it is closer than you might think. Clinton was within single digits in Texas.

  622. Chicon says:

    Yep, TX is close.

  623. jason says:

    Texas may be a long-shot, but it is closer than you might think. Clinton was within single digits in Texas”

    Trump was not a really good candidate for Texas, or even for a lot of the South for that matter, he underperformed Romney. I think the fact he was a loud mouthed New Yorker hurt him more in TX than the so called “demographics”.

    I lived in TX. I knew a lot of Hispanic Republicans.

  624. jason says:

    useful tool to paint other Republicans with the crazy/sleazy brush.”

    Yeah, Harvey Weinstein will be leading the charge!

  625. jason says:

    This reminds me when Hillary called Trump a sexual predator while being married to Bill Clinton.

    You have to admire the Dems, they have chutzpah!

  626. Phil says:

    Uh, don’t worry about Texas.

    Cruz wins by 18 without breaking a sweat.

    I would love Democrats to dump thirty million into Texas.

  627. Wes says:

    I dated an 18-year-old when I was in my early thirties. It sometimes happens.

    That said, if Roy Moore dated a girl above the age of consent at age 32, that, while creepy, is not illegal.

    It is illegal and disqualifying if he dated a girl below the age of consent.

    Moore says it didn’t happen. Thr girl apparently says it did.

    From what I’ve read, she supposedly made the accusation in 2009.

    Well, let’s look at this, shall we?

    Shd made the statement in 2009. Moore ran for Chief Justice in 2012. He was pretty universally hated that year and barely won 52-48.

    Why didn’t she make a statement then when Moore was in thd middle of a hotly contested statewide race?

    All of a sudden it comes up now?

    I don’t buy Robbie’s bulls hit explanation here.

    If it were verifiable and credible, then the story would have come out before now.

    It’s not as if Moore were some backbenching no-name till winning the runoff against Strange

  628. Jonesy says:

    644. Right Wes. Moore was known, unlike Christine O’donnell or Todd Maes.

    Drudge has been brutal towards Moore

  629. Jonesy says:

    This crap is starting to drip. I think it is a smear, but this crap cannot go on until Dec 12.

    Pisses me off that a uncredible partisan paper like the Post can go into any state they want know and take down a GOP scalp.

    what happens when a female KY democrat who knew McConnell 30 years, accuses him of groping?

  630. Jonesy says:

    Right or wrong, this scandal will backfire on you and the your wing of the party, Robbie.

    NYT times or Wapo etc… will feel emboldened to go after a Rick Scott or Hawley from MO.

  631. Jonesy says:

    Even the biggest supporter of Mitch M, has to agree he needs to get it together. He needs to ditch the 30 post cloture rule in the Senate, but is saying he likes tradition.

    39 out of 48 Fed Dept do not have a second in command, including interior.

    schumer would ram thru everything in 2 weeks and gloat

  632. Tina says:

    5e inability to staff is an issue jonesy.

    Mitchie has been a disaster

  633. Jonesy says:

    Can anybody verify that the Post ran a story on Mitt Romney, saying that he was a anti gay basher 40 years ago?

  634. Jonesy says:

    Tina, holding off a Garland was great, good on the judges, bad on passing legislation

  635. Jonesy says:

    Tina, is it true that Moore admitted to dating two of the women while 18, while a prosecutor?

  636. Jonesy says:

    Cernovich has a montage of Biden pictures, with him creepily kissing younger women and girls at various events.

    He is done for 2020

  637. Tina says:

    PRESIDENT TRUMP: I think that he is very, very strong in the fact that he didn’t do it. And then you look, and you look at what’s going on with Podesta, and you look at what’s going on with the server from the DNC and why didn’t the FBI take it, why did they leave it; why did a third party look at the server and not the FBI — if you look at all of this stuff, and you say, what’s going on here?

    And then you hear it’s 17 agencies. Well, it’s three. And one is Brennan and one is whatever. I mean, give me a break. They’re political hacks.

    So you look at it — I mean, you have Brennan, you have Clapper, and you have Comey. Comey is proven now to be a liar and he’s proven to be a leaker.

    So you look at that, and you have President Putin very strongly, vehemently says he had nothing to do with that. Now, you’re not going to get into an argument. You’re going to start talking about Syria and the Ukraine.

    Triggering.

  638. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie
    France’s leader,Macron, is married to a pretty woman about 30 years his elder. They either met in high school or college where she was his teacher.
    Do you have problems with that relationship?
    Also, you have been throwing around the word pedophilia. To be a pedophile, must one engage in a sexual act with a minor or is someone a pedo if they just converse with a minor? Hold hands with a minor? Kiss a minor?

  639. Tina says:

    This is today on af1to vietnam

    Trumo,called out comedy, clapper, etc.

  640. Tina says:

    I do not know jonesy.

  641. Jonesy says:

    Maybe the election should be moved to next spring, and let Strange stay on for tax Cuts.

    We cannot lose this seat to a rabid pro late term abortonist.

    I only say this, if Moore admitted to dating these women at 18. Not illegal but he was a prosecutor at the time

  642. Jonesy says:

    Robbie is the Dog who chases the Car.

    Destroy Trump and the GOP, and let Rome burn

  643. Phil says:

    Even if the dog caught the car, he couldn’t drive it.

  644. Jonesy says:

    CB Polling

    Moore 51%
    Jones 48%

    Gravis hinting that Moore up big in their new poll.

    They were very close in Va and NJ

  645. Jonesy says:

    GOP nominated a pretty good candidate in the PA-18, Murphy’s old seat

  646. Jonesy says:

    Phil, I do not know what to think on Bama.

    what if the MSM has a bigger smear the Friday before the 12/12 vote?

  647. Tina says:

    Well polling would be more reliable, after a few days.

  648. Phil says:

    Wouldn’t put it past them, Jonesy. Thing is, something out that late seldom does much. It’s a little TOO convenient with that kind of timing. Voters tend to disregard stuff with that kind of “perfect” timing. In fact, I actually believe in this climate in a state like Alabama it will just piss off voters in that state.

    Every Republican except Robbie is simply not going to buy any last minute smear from the WP or any other MSM outlet.

  649. Tina says:

    Its seems like gop e views it as a huge scandal.

    While bama rs view it as a nothingburger and fraud by wp, with a hat tip by mitchie.

  650. Tina says:

    Breaking

    There is tape of george takei admitting to sex relationships.

  651. Chicon says:

    Polling will rebound to near where it was in a couple weeks.

  652. Chicon says:

    667 – with a Klingon?

  653. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #662
    Who did the Republicans select for the PA CD-18 seat?

  654. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    454.”############################################
    I am a registered Holstein…but usually vote Republican.”

    We have 1.74 million milk cows in California, mostly Holsteins. Do not know what party they belong to — they are among the state’s more intelligent potential voters.

  655. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Lets take a break from the Alabama hillbilly, and provide an update on news concerning are doomed planet:

    “Speaking at the United Nations’ Climate Change Conference in Bonn, Germany, businessman Michael Bloomberg and California Gov. Jerry Brown unveiled a plan Saturday for a coalition of U.S. cities, states and businesses to meet America’s commitments to combat climate change as federal support from the Trump administration stalls on the issue.”

    Meanwhile, in Boston

    “Boston broke a 116-year-old record Saturday morning when the temperature dropped to 23 degrees, according to the National Weather Service.
    The previous record low for November 11 was set at 24 degrees in 1901.
    Saturday marked the second consecutive day of record-breaking cold for the Boston area. On Friday, the city broke its previous 2004 record low temperature of 25 degrees.
    Boston isn’t the only part of the country experiencing cold, according to the weather service.
    Meteorologist David Epstein said that Arctic air moved into the region on Friday, ushering in the coldest temperatures of the season so far. Forecasters said the region could still see record cold on Sunday morning as well.”

  656. lisab says:

    Can anybody verify that the Post ran a story on Mitt Romney, saying that he was a anti gay basher 40 years ago?
    ————————————-

    yes, it did

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romneys-prep-school-classmates-recall-pranks-but-also-troubling-incidents/2012/05/10/gIQA3WOKFU_story.html?utm_term=.67b687fe53e3

  657. jason says:

    “There is tape of george takei admitting to sex relationships.”

    Wow, we are all in trouble now….

  658. DW says:

    Michael Bloomberg and California Gov. Jerry Brown

    Fools.

  659. Tina says:

    Somebody is tweeting.

    Many will be triggered.

  660. Tina says:

    Scott Adams
    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    Imagine you are Little Rocket Man and you just watched Xi and Trump become best buddies in front of the world. #PersuasionDoubleTap

  661. Robbie says:

    Good ole Roy has lost another Senate endorser. I guess he’s bought into the lies of the Washington Post.

    Bill Cassidy?
    @BillCassidy

    Based on the allegations against Roy Moore, his response and what is known, I withdraw support.

  662. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 11, 2017 at 5:31 pm
    Robbie is the Dog who chases the Car.
    Destroy Trump and the GOP, and let Rome burn

    – Wrong Trump’s court jester. You and Donnie are the dogs who caught the car. And now that you’ve caught the car, all you’ve done is spend a year screwing things up.

  663. JC says:

    Donald J. Trump?

    Why would Kim Jong-un insult me by calling me “old,” when I would NEVER call him “short and fat?” Oh well, I try so hard to be his friend – and maybe someday that will happen!
    ———–

    Heh

  664. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 11, 2017 at 5:21 pm
    Robbie
    France’s leader,Macron, is married to a pretty woman about 30 years his elder. They either met in high school or college where she was his teacher.
    Do you have problems with that relationship?
    Also, you have been throwing around the word pedophilia. To be a pedophile, must one engage in a sexual act with a minor or is someone a pedo if they just converse with a minor? Hold hands with a minor? Kiss a minor?

    – Watching you look for ways to excuse good ole Roy fondling a 14 year old girl has been funny and sad.

    I’ll be interested to see how you feel about this next year when great Republicans like Barbara Comstock are fighting off campaign ads that she excused good ole Roy and pedophilia.

  665. Wes says:

    Can someone tell me why Bloomberg was ever a Republican? He was further left as Mayor than Fiorello LaGuardia or John Lindsay–both of whom were barely Republicans (though Lindsay became a Democrat toward the end of his political career).

  666. Robbie says:

    I can just imagine good ole Roy riding up to the local high school football game in his Camero hoping to catch some tail.

    Alexander Marquardt?
    @MarquardtA

    Fmr Dep. DA Theresa Jones, who worked alongside Roy Moore, tells CNN: “It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird…We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall…”

  667. Tina says:

    Mcamnesty is livid about pooty poot and trump.

    Mcshame, remeber, when a preisdemt is abroad we do not make remarks critical of said president.

  668. Tina says:

    Sheot must be hitting the fan with the podesta group likely shut down.

  669. Tina says:

    J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    38m
    Does the Fake News Media remember when Crooked Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State, was begging Russia to be our friend with the misspelled reset button? Obama tried also, but he had zero chemistry with Putin.

    W had him at his ranch and called him pooty poot.

  670. Wes says:

    All of this is proof Moore had sex with a 14-year-old how?

    Guess what, Robbie.

    There are girls of legal age in high school.

    I wouldn’t touch them with a 39 1/2′ pole, but they’re there.

    It’s creepy.

    It’s not something most people would do.

    It’s not illegal unless the girl’s below the AOC.

    It’s circumstantial evidence at best.

    Robbie seems not to understand the difference between improper and illegal.

    If Moore did nail a 14-year-old, PUT HIM ON TRIAL AND CONVICT!

    What is so hard to understand about that, Robbie?

    This smear campaign has to stop.

    Someone needs to man up and put the guy before a jury if there’s genuine proof of illegal sexual contact eith an underage gitl.

  671. Wes says:

    Tina, GWB said he looked into Putin’s soul and saw an honest man–or some such gallimaufry.

  672. DW says:

    690 – I have heard of 20/20 vision, but wow, x-ray vision into his soul?

  673. Tina says:

    Wes, i Have soured on the bushes.

  674. Tina says:

    Jerru seinfield dated a 17 year old.

    I beleive mccain married wife when she was 18,

    This was fairly common 30years ago.

  675. DW says:

    My mom raised me right. She kept telling me the greatest mistake Reagan ever made was his consent to put the moderate GHW Bush on the ticket, having been persuaded he could not beat Carter without him.
    I often wonder how different the country might be today had Reagan picked Jack Kemp or some of the others available to him.

  676. Tina says:

    Common and legal btw.

    Creepy maybe so, but not illegal.

  677. JC says:

    Bush probably really did believe his own words about Putin because he is a naive gentry republican.

    Trump would say similar words but knows that it’s all BS. Putin would also know that Trump knows it’s all BS.

  678. DW says:

    Tina, I know a situation where a teacher in his early thirties married a young woman who had been one of his students and she was in her early 20s. I think it was an 11 or 12 year gap. But it was a unique situation and everyone who knew them both thought it was a good fit and today they are still happily married.

    As said before, ‘the three’ others in the WaPo story all agree that Moore never did anything wrong to them, and of course they were all of age.

    So they never had any reason to be part of this story. The fact that Moore settled down, married, and has stayed married all these years suggests to me there was nothing nefarious about his dating when he was in early 30s. Not my cup of tea, but certainly not illegal, and not even offensive to these three women by their own testimony.

    The only one that matters is the accusation of the one woman who says he assaulted when she was 14. That’s it. If he is guilty of that, then throw the book at him. If not, then he is right to sue her for defamation.

  679. JC says:

    DW says:
    November 11, 2017 at 8:49 pm

    My mom raised me right. She kept telling me the greatest mistake Reagan ever made was his consent to put the moderate GHW Bush on the ticket, having been persuaded he could not beat Carter without him.
    I often wonder how different the country might be today had Reagan picked Jack Kemp or some of the others available to him.
    ———————-

    Considering that Regan’s pick allowed the Bush’s to dominate the Republican party for 2 decades, I would say things would be vastly different… and for the better.

  680. Bitterlaw says:

    DCC

  681. Tina says:

    Chuck Ross
    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    -John Podesta meets with Glenn Simpson just after dossier is published

    -Podesta tells Senate Intel he doesn’t know who paid for dossier.

    -Marc Elias, who was in the interview as Podesta’s lawyer, does not mention that he directly hired Fusion GPS.

  682. Bitterlaw says:

    JC – Everybody likes the What If game especially with hindsight. I am open to the possibility that the world be different and better without the Bush Presidencies. Presumably, there would have no President Bill Clinton or Obama. No President Clinton means no Hillary. Good things.

    Are you open to the possibility it could have turned out worse? Maybe in 1988, the Dems don’t nominate a technocrat with no personality like Dukakis. Maybe they nominate somebody who wins.

    Assume in your scenario that Kemp wins. In 1990, Kuwait is invaded. Does President Kemp put together a coalition to drive the Iraqis out? Maybe. What if the coalition does not contain ME nations? This leads to a war against Israel.

    What if Kemp decides to not fight. Hussein uses a stranglehold on oil to fully fund a nuclear program earlier.

    Maybe we get President McCain or President Gore or President Dole or President Biden in 1990s and 2000s. Better or worse? Pure speculation. Different? Absolutely.

  683. Tina says:

    John Roberts
    John Roberts
    @johnrobertsFox
    ·
    5h
    IMPORTANT NUANCE in @realDonaldTrump statement on Putin denying meddling in US election. @POTUS did NOT say he “believes” Putin. He said he believes Putin “means it” when he says i

    Nrit hume citing jihn robers, who also works for fox, has asked that fox news delete a tweet, citing the opposite.

    Major garrett also confirms as does the transcript, audiotape, and videotape

  684. Tina says:

    Looks like they have fuson, the lawyah and creep podesta on osteuction

  685. Tina says:

    Obstruction

  686. Bitterlaw says:

    Before Wes pounces, no Bushes would mean no Medicare prescription expansion or wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in the 2000s. Unless these things happened anyway or wars developed elsewhere.

    Speculation is useful but not guaranteed to be accurate.

  687. Tina says:

    No child left behind.

    Big porker.

  688. Bitterlaw says:

    Fine, Tina. Willing to play and lay out the possibility things could be better OR worse or just reflexively say things would be better?

    You can say that everything you hated about the Bushes would not have happened. Can you say nothing else that you would have hated would not have happened?

  689. Tina says:

    Bl, defending bushes again.

    Theynare real fons.

  690. Tina says:

    Real cons.

  691. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – I laid out specific things that would not have happened. I said those would have been good things if they happened. I also said that not everything may have been good.

    Since you see the Bush family as the focus of evil in the country, in my opinion, you may believe that we would be living in an ideal world with no taxes and unicorn ranches. I said I was open to discussion but you won’t play.

    Maybe you and JC and Jonesy would have your dream of President Trump as early as 1989 or 1993. Of course, that Trump (in my opinion) would have been a Democrat.

  692. Bitterlaw says:

    711 It would have been good if those things did not happen.

  693. Bitterlaw says:

    If I worship the Bush family, as some believe, perhaps they can explain why I did not support JEB! and went so far as to use the term JEB! to mock his supporters.

  694. Waingro says:

    “I can report (unless my sources have failed me) that tomorrow will showcase the first public poll to show Doug Jones with a lead in the AL-Senate race. This race is very real.”

    https://twitter.com/forecasterenten/status/929551200361607168

  695. lisab says:

    “that tomorrow will showcase the first public poll to show Doug Jones with a lead”
    —————————————

    doesn’t that mean six more weeks of robbie?

  696. Robbie says:

    Impossible. I was told good ole Roy cruising the high schools for tail and being attacked for it by “muh liberal media” would make his poll numbers go up.

    (((Harry Enten)))?
    @ForecasterEnten

    I can report (unless my sources have failed me) that tomorrow will showcase the first public poll to show Doug Jones with a lead in the AL-Senate race. This race is very real.

  697. Robbie says:

    689 Wes

    I’m not going to copy your statement because it’s too long, but whether it’s legal for good ole Roy to chase high school tail isn’t the issue.

    The issue is good ole Roy claimed the initial story on Thursday was a lie. Then under questioning from Hannity of all people, he changed his story just 24 hours later.

    So we went from “it’s all a lie” to “part of it’s a lie and part of it’s not a lie”. And isn’t it convenient the part of his story that changed dealt with girls who were of legal age.

    When someone changes their story so quickly, after vehemently denying it, that leads me to believe the person is very likely lying about the whole thing.

    Again, this is politics and not a court of law. The bigger picture is how this affects the Republican Party. And if a clown like Roy Moore stays in the race with this hanging over his head, it’s going to leave the entire party open to criticisms it turned a blind eye to pedophilia just to win a race.

    We’re just going to disagree. If good ole Roy wants to defend himself and clear his name, more power to him. It should not be on the back of the Republican Party.

  698. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    November 11, 2017 at 10:58 pm
    “that tomorrow will showcase the first public poll to show Doug Jones with a lead”
    —————————————
    doesn’t that mean six more weeks of robbie?

    – Hopefully, it means the Alabama governor steps in and suspends or even cancels the race.

  699. Jonesy says:

    Obscure bloggers robbie. Who are these twitter losers?

    Give me a real name

  700. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 11, 2017 at 10:22 pm
    If I worship the Bush family, as some believe, perhaps they can explain why I did not support JEB! and went so far as to use the term JEB! to mock his supporters.

    – Bitter was Christie guy. He never wanted Jeb. To claim he is a Bush worshipper is unfair.

  701. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:15 pm
    Obscure bloggers robbie. Who are these twitter losers?
    Give me a real name

    – Where’s your Gravis poll showing good ole Roy cruising?

  702. Jonesy says:

    Strange could resign his seat per hugh hewitt. A new appointment by ivey would trigger a new special and primary

  703. Jonesy says:

    Bush ‘s are scum

  704. Robbie says:

    Apparently, the governor of Alabama shut the door on postponing the election. The stupid party rides again. Faced with a legal way to get good ole Roy out of the picture, the party decides it would rather go forward with a candidate accused of pedophilia.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/us/roy-moore-alabama-senate.html

  705. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 11, 2017 at 11:21 pm
    Strange could resign his seat per hugh hewitt. A new appointment by ivey would trigger a new special and primary

    – Seems tricky and dubious to me, but anything is better than going forward with a candidate who’ll probably lose.

  706. Jonesy says:

    Accused is the key word

  707. Jonesy says:

    Where is richard shelby the pork king in all of this?

  708. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    703. Looks like they have fuson, the lawyah and creep podesta on osteuction.”

    I go into the osteuction mode whenever I have a couple of sangrias.

  709. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    724. “Apparently, the governor of Alabama shut the door on postponing the election. The stupid party rides again. Faced with a legal way to get good ole Roy out of the picture, the party decides it would rather go forward with a candidate accused of pedophilia.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/us/roy-moore-alabama-senate.html

    Its too early in the process; it is going to take some solid factual evidence to force him out; and disillusion his supporters. My hunch is if it is going to happen — it will be at the end of the month.

    Both parties want him out; even Trump was open
    to the possibility. His “crime” is he is a felony creep.

  710. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Takei, who is now accused of sexual harassment, once did an interview about when he was molested during summer camp when he was 13 years of age, and his assailant was 18/19. Here was a quote:

    “It was both wonderful and scary and kind of intimidating, and delightful,” he says. “I mean, all those opposites.”

    Society did not get out of the 1980s unscathed.

  711. Phil says:

    724

    It has been and continues to be the party of stupid. Can you imagine Democrats ever allowing one of their seats to go down the drain?

    Not in a million years would they let that happen.

    Republicans cannot get out of their own way. Schumer laughing his ass off.

  712. MichiganGuy says:

    ROY MOORE

    “Now I want to address something that some people have come here to hear about,” Moore said in front 50 or so supporters, turning his attention to the giant pack of media who came to Alabama to report on this. “Shortly after becoming the Republican nominee for the United States Senate, the Washington Post began an attack on the Foundation for Moral Law, on my wife, and on me. For weeks, we read about my salary which they distorted, about taxes where they said we were paid money we never got. But we endured that.”

    “Later, they came out and endorsed my opponent in this race,” he continued. “Just two days ago, the Washington Post published yet another attack on my character and reputation in a desperate attempt to stop my political campaign for the United States Senate. These attacks about a minor are completely false and untrue about something that happened nearly 40 years ago. But more than being completely false and untrue, they are very hurtful to me personally.”

    “I’ve been married to my wife Kayla for nearly 33 years. We have four children. I have one daughter, and I have five granddaughters. I have the highest regard for the protection of young children,” Moore explained. “When I returned to Gadsen 40 years ago after military service, I went to work for the office of the District Attorney. As a student of the law, I have served in public office off and on for the last 40 years. To be attacked for allegations of sexual misconduct contradicts my entire career in law.”

    “I wanted to make it clear to the media present and the people present, I have not provided alcoholic beverages—beer or anything else—to a minor. I have not been guilty of sexual misconduct with anyone,” he declared. “These allegations came only four and a half weeks before the general election on Dec. 12. Why now?”

    “For forty years I have been closely scrutinized in the press and the public media. I have had investigations by the attorney general, I’ve had investigations by the judicial inquiry commission on more than one occasion, I’ve had investigations by the court of the judiciary, I’ve been in five statewide campaigns in which they do opposition research—they do investigations, as you can see in every one I’ve ever run—and three county elections and two major controversies over religious liberty and the Ten Commandments and same-sex marriage,” he continued. “I’ve been investigated more than any other person in this country. That grown women would wait forty years to come right before an election to bring charges is absolutely unbelievable.”

    At that point, the crowd in attendance rose, giving Moore a standing ovation.

    “The Democrats, and the Republican establishment, know the importance of this election,” Moore continued. “In fact, most people in America know the importance of this election. They view it as a prelude to the elections coming in 2018. It may very well determine the future of our country.”

    “My opponent is 11 points behind—that came out just days before this article. They’re desperate. This article is a prime example of fake news, an attempt to divert attention from the true issues that face our country like healthcare, military readiness, tax reform, immigration, and the national debt,” he said. “We do not intend to let the Democrats or the establishment Republicans or anybody else behind this story stop this campaign. There are investigations going on. In the next few days, there will be revelations about the motivations and the content of this article. They will be brought to the public. We fully expect the people of Alabama to see through this charade and to vote in the [election] coming up.”

    “As Mr. Armistead said, we do not engage in negative campaigning. We haven’t, and I’ve been blistered with articles and attacks the last two to three months and on television,” Moore stated. “I do not expect the Washington Post to stop. I think they have a political agenda. And I think they are running that agenda, and everybody in this room and every person watching on these cameras should ask themselves that isn’t it strange that after 40 years of constant investigation these people have waited until four weeks prior to the general election to bring their complaints? It’s not a coincidence. It’s an intentional act to stop my campaign. May God bless you, the state of Alabama, and the United States of America.”

    The crowd rose to give Judge Moore a second standing ovation as he wrapped his speech. This story focused on Judge Moore’s comments on the allegations. More to come on the actual content of his speech about Veterans Day, including his time in Vietnam.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/11/multiple-standing-ovations-for-judge-roy-moore-as-he-hammers-washington-post-smears-at-veterans-day-event/amp/
    —————————————————————-
    Well said, Senator Moore

  713. Redmen4ever says:

    Regarding dating girls of legal age: it’s legal. Furthermore, the women who were teenagers back then, did not allege any sexual acts, only hugging and kissing, if that. Even in terms of social mores, that was Alabama 39 years ago. The older teenagers are brought into the next allegation in order to establish a pattern (when the truth is, these three incidents contradict the profile of a child molester; child molesters are interested in pre-pubicient girls and boys).

    Regarding the one allegation that raises legal questions: The allegation is that a 31-year old man, under pretext of baby-sitting the 14-year old child of a woman bumped-into in a courthouse, is that he touched her bra and panties. The whole thing is preposterous. But, it turns out, the woman who was 14-years old 39 years ago, has a history of misdemeanors, divorces, accusations against other men none of which have been proven, and is an activist Democrat. Of course she’s an activist Democrat. That is the party for people who hate America because their lives are messed up.

    Let me flip this around: if there was a recent case (within the statute of limitations for the crime involved, or within the past decade if there is no statute of limitations), with probable cause, that a person is a child molester, then it would be good for other women who claim to have had been molested to come forward. Almost all child molesters are serial child molesters. I believe we do eventually catch most of them; but, unfortunately, few upon their first act.

    What somebody has apparently done is developed what appears to be a bone fide case against Roy Moore based on what people think is involved in the law: one incident with probable cause that is backed-up with a pattern of incidents perhaps none of which, on its own, achieves probable cause.

    In any case, if there is actual evidence here, such that a D.A. would obtain an indictment, then, depending on the weight of the evidence, Roy Moore or any Republican could be removed from office. The Republican Party isn’t that other party. We are not a criminal gang that seeks votes by offering free stuff and by appealing to people on the basis of identity politics.

    Regarding George Takai, surveys indicate that about as many boys are sexually-molested as girls. Then, the patterns diverge. At about 19 or so, males stopped being sexually-assaulted while females continue to be sexually-assaulted. Forcible rape and sexual-assault is primarily about big and strong people taking advantage of smaller and weaker people. To a Republican, the primary purpose of government is to protect us (and this primarily refers to the weak among us), not to take from the productive to give to those who don’t work.

  714. Tina says:

    We need polling from lord. Asshat.

  715. Jonesy says:

    Tina, JM analytics will show Jones leading today. Could be bogus, but we are getting to crunch time. We cannot lose this seat for. 3 years.

  716. Jonesy says:

    Tina, Bill Mitchell on fire today.

    Brazile turned on hillary, because new indictments are hillarys people? Distancing herself.

  717. Jonesy says:

    Red, for once robbie is right. Evidence means nothing on moore scandal , even 40 year old smear job.

    He dated girls in their late teens as a 32 year old prosecutor, legal but stupid for a politician

  718. Jonesy says:

    What scares me, is the RNC will wimp out, and just write ofg the seat. Same thing they did with murdoch of ind in 2012

  719. MichiganGuy says:

     Alabama Senate Race (Change Research)

    Moore (R) 44%

    Jones (D) 40%

    https://medium.com/@ChngRsrch/after-abuse-allegations-moore-leads-by-4-in-alabama-e476105ef41b

  720. Tina says:

    Jonesy, look at the podesta group. It likely will shutter.

    The ceo to replaced ugly artwork podesta resigned after two weeks. She had some kind of position with jeb bush at one time.

    Sheot ill hit the fan,

    Notice the president mentioned clapper.

    They are triggered.

  721. Tina says:

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/us/politics/trump-judiciary-appeals-courts-conservatives.html?_r=0&referer=https://t.co/Vm9LquSZqa?amp=1

    Ny times livid about the judiciary being reshaped.
    Thanks to grassley. One area that the senate has done well in.

    Grassley, cotton, nunes are hero congresspeople so far.

    The rest are mediocre or sheot.

  722. Jonesy says:

    Thanks Mich. 16% undecided?

  723. Jonesy says:

    Tina, dems really irate on the 3 federalist women confirmed to 3 different us appeals courts. All will be shortlisted for a scotus opening.

    Mcconnell will have votes on 2 district court nominees this week. Katsas to dc court of appeals maybe too. That would be about 17 with gorsuch. Long way to go. 30 hour cloture rule has to go

  724. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #739
    Thanks. Among Definite Voters, Moore has 47.3% and Jones 43%.

  725. Jonesy says:

    Losing bamaseat really hurts on judges though. Have to get shelby off his fat pork ass and defend moore or get him to step dow

  726. Jonesy says:

    Sheep, way under 50 though. Robbie will doom all day when JM releases their doomer poll. Are they credible.

    Do jot even drudge or rrh these days, anti moore to the core

  727. JC says:

    I’m sure this was already discussed above, but this Mitt Romney’s actual stance:

    Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections. I believe Leigh Corfman. Her account is too serious to ignore. Moore is unfit for office and should step aside.

    Disgraceful. This encompass every despicable thing that I despise about the GOPe. Romney and the political dynasty he is trying to build can go to hell.

  728. dblaikie says:

    I don’t like the timing of the allegation of the then 14 year old. However the idea of a person 30 year old man kissing minors — that is creepy. We don’t need any Senators who are pedophiles. The Judge needs to come clean and be specific about his dating life.

  729. BayernFan says:

    So does anyone think that Alabama voters, who know Moore more than any of us….for a long time…….will consider this a sordid hit job by WAPO and Co. and vote accordingly? Or believe that something that happened 40 years is not relevant to today? Or that insofar as the way a Senator’s votes affects their own lives, the most “immoral” Republican is better than the most “moral” Democrat?

  730. Jonesy says:

    If they keep moore on the ballot, every member of the bama gop delegation must back him then Bay. Gov, shelby, us reps.

  731. dblaikie says:

    The Judge just needs to give a definitive answer about whether he dated minors or not. With his service and record I would believe him. But he has not been definitive at all about this matter. I don’t know about the others on this site but I can remember who I dated from high school to marriage at age 30.

  732. dblaikie says:

    Of course there were some I would like to forget!

  733. Tina says:

    Wtg polling.

    Best in biz for alwbama

  734. JC says:

    dblaikie says:
    November 12, 2017 at 9:22 am

    The Judge just needs to give a definitive answer about whether he dated minors or not. With his service and record I would believe him. But he has not been definitive at all about this matter. I don’t know about the others on this site but I can remember who I dated from high school to marriage at age 30.
    ——————–

    A 30 year old dating an 18 year old is as common as it is morally acceptable.

    And yes, it does go both ways. My 29 year old HS teacher just married her 19 year old former student (he was 15 when she was his teacher. They weren’t dating then).

  735. Tina says:

    Wahl is a local Alabama pollster, based in the state, and is regarded for his accuracy in the state. The pollster’s firm, WT&S Consulting, did some work for Moore’s campaign in the primary and runoff—but these polls, Breitbart News has confirmed, were not commissioned by Moore’s campaign and were conducted independently. That said, WT&S Consulting nailed the runoff numbers accurately. Its last poll, the day before the runoff election, showed Moore crushing establishment-backed appointed Sen. Luther Strange 54.3 percent to 45.7 percent—an 8.6 percent gap. The final election results were 54.6 percent for Moore to 45.4 percent for Strange—or a 9.2 percent gap.

  736. Tina says:

    The second survey, conducted Saturday evening—two days after the Post piece hit, roiling Alabama’s political scene—shows Moore and Jones with about the exact same percentages as before. Moore’s position in this second poll is 49.8 percent—meaning he only dropped 0.2 percent since the story hit—and Jones has only picked up 0.4 percent to reach 39.6 percent total. The second survey, which polled 1,536 likely voters with a margin of error of 3.3 percent, has 10.5 percent as undecided.

  737. JC says:

    As long as both parties are of legal age, it shouldn’t matter at all.

  738. SoHope says:

    I believe the allegations. I heard his nondenial and lack of memory of sex with teens. Moore should step aside. Would you want your kids daycare to do innocent until proven guilty with child molestation accusations with their workers? Of course not!

  739. SoHope says:

    Or would you hire a housekeeper that has numerous accusations of theft but no convictions? Of course not!

  740. SoHope says:

    Is Jul the group’s final authority for appreciateness of sex with teenagers?

  741. George says:

    Sorry if already posted via Bill Mitchell :

    How Mueller & President Trump are Pulling the Biggest Sting in History

    https://www.lizcrokin.com/hillaryclinton/mueller-president-trump-pulling-biggest-sting-history/

  742. JC says:

    @SoHope

    You’re a political hack who’s positions would be entirely reversed if the letter behind the names were flipped.

    This is a smear job by a democratic activist organization.

  743. NYCmike says:

    Sohope says “lack of memory of sex with teens”……was sex even mentioned in the stories? i thought it was dating and inappropriate touching that Moore admitted to and denied, respectively.

  744. JC says:

    George says:
    November 12, 2017 at 9:35 am

    Sorry if already posted via Bill Mitchell :

    How Mueller & President Trump are Pulling the Biggest Sting in History

    https://www.lizcrokin.com/hillaryclinton/mueller-president-trump-pulling-biggest-sting-history/
    —————-

    Mitchell is living in a fantasy world.

    Mueller was hired for one reason – to delegitimize the election and hunt for a crime. End of story. He is not looking into the mountain of crimes committed by Obama and friends. He is not interested in justice.

  745. BayernFan says:

    762…..then why did mueller appoint all those Clinto people as prosecutors?

  746. Chicon says:

    766 – the theory – which I don’t subscribe to – is that Mueller hires democrats to investigate democrats in order to increase the legitimacy of the investigation/prosecution.

  747. Tina says:

    Well, undecided on the theory.

    However, it is strange that mueller met with trump, the day before the appointment of the sc, to interview for the fbi head.

    Mueller served one 10 yr term, which was extended for 2 years,

    Unless the senate would change the law to more than one, 10 year term, mueller was ineligible for the fbi position.

    So, why was mueller interviewed for a position he could not hold? And a positiin, he did not want.

  748. SoHope says:

    If the letters after the name were reversed and it was a fan probably child molester I would pray the dems were stupid enough to leave them on the ticket

  749. SoHope says:

    *a dem

  750. Jonesy says:

    Look, I just want to hold the seat. JC is right, 32 to 18 is legal, but my point was that he was a prosecutor at the time. Maybe it does not matter.

    Thanks for the info and links Tina

  751. Tina says:

    Good fishies.

    Brennan and Clapper baited.

  752. Wes says:

    I disagree with SoHope. Decades-old unsubstantiated allegations should not destroy political careers and reputations.

    I said the same thing ehen Congressman Dale Kildee (D-MI) faced 50-year-old allegations of child molestation a few years ago.

    If we let this be the norm, how quickly are qualified candidates going to decline to run for office because sleazy opponents will try to destroy their reputations?

    We’ve seen a similar thing in New York where political hopefuls have begun using loopholes in election laws to get opponents tossed off the ballot.

    It never ends if we don’t stop it now.

  753. Jonesy says:

    DW made the point Thursday. If no other women come out by Monday, it says a lot

  754. Jonesy says:

    773. Vrey well said Wes. I could take Moore either way, but angered me is WaPo looking for GOP scalps.

    the take down Moore, who is next Chuck Grassley from the 1960’s?

  755. Jonesy says:

    Darn Iphone spelling. Sorry

  756. Jonesy says:

    766. True Bay, but maybe Mueller wanted optics. To show his investigation was biased against Dems.

  757. Wes says:

    I don’t even like Moore, but I like the precedent set by this even less.

    This isn’t like the situation that destroyed our own JulStol’s political career. There we had fairly recent allegations backed up by evidence and partial admission on the part of the principals.

    Here we have something from decades ago that just surfaced despite Moore’s previous high-profile runs for statewide office.

    The standard should be higher than this.

  758. Tina says:

    Instapundit.com
    @instapundit
    So basically a pro-Moore campaign ad.
    Washington Post
    @washingtonpost
    Analysis: SNL’s Roy Moore sketch is one big joke about Alabama being backward (link: http://wapo.st/2yTJ48T) wapo.st/2yTJ48T

  759. Jonesy says:

    Was not biased. Need stronger coffee

  760. dblaikie says:

    I said dating a minor. An 18 year old woman is not a minor but an adult.

  761. Jonesy says:

    767. Sorry Chi, you beat me to it on optics with Mueller

  762. Jonesy says:

    Of course no mention of new Alabama polls at RRH

  763. Robbie says:

    In other words, good ole Roy may be a pedophile, but at least he’ll vote for the wall.

    Ann Coulter?
    @AnnCoulter

    As an Alabaman said on @chucktodd yesterday, right now, all that matters is that Roy Moore will vote for a wall. Luther Strange wouldn’t & the Dem definitely won’t.

  764. Redmen4ever says:

    Presumption of innocence is indeed concerning crimes. Furthermore, the standard of proof regarding crimes in “beyond a reasonable doubt”

    The standard of proof in torts is “preponderance of the evidence,” a lesser, but still meaningful standard. This is why I say removal from office need not be predicated on a conviction. This lesser but still meaningful standard, which Bill Clinton achieved, is reasonable.

    The standard for an indictment is merely “reasonable suspicion.” This is hardly anything. The accused doesn’t even have an opportunity to present evidence or make an argument.

    The standard for the National Inquirer is “we paid somebody to say it.” This is nothing.

    The standard for the Washington Post is somewhere between that of the National Inquirer and an indictment.

    With regard to dating, there is no controversy: Roy Moore dated teenagers of legal age when he was a young man, and there is no controversy that all that was involved in dating was hugging and kissing, if that.

    With regard to inappropriately touching the bra and panties of a 14-year old: aside from the he-said-she-said aspect of this, the only evidence is the “pattern” involving dating of legal age teenagers. Yet, this is not a pattern of pedophilia. Child molesters go after children. Pre-pubicient boys and/or girls. And, almost all of them are serial molesters.

    Since we’re on the subject of people being stupid, let me share an old yarn from a Southern Democrat: Did you know my opponent went to a college with blacks? Not only that, they matriculated together.

  765. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 12, 2017 at 12:29 am
    724. “Apparently, the governor of Alabama shut the door on postponing the election. The stupid party rides again. Faced with a legal way to get good ole Roy out of the picture, the party decides it would rather go forward with a candidate accused of pedophilia.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/us/roy-moore-alabama-senate.html”
    Its too early in the process; it is going to take some solid factual evidence to force him out; and disillusion his supporters. My hunch is if it is going to happen — it will be at the end of the month.
    Both parties want him out; even Trump was open
    to the possibility. His “crime” is he is a felony creep.

    – The issue with waiting until the end of the month is it will look like he’s being dumped simply because he can’t win. If he’s dumped now, it will look like he was dumped for being a creep.

  766. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 12, 2017 at 1:32 am
    724
    It has been and continues to be the party of stupid. Can you imagine Democrats ever allowing one of their seats to go down the drain?
    Not in a million years would they let that happen.
    Republicans cannot get out of their own way. Schumer laughing his ass off.

    – I agree 100%. Democrats would have already made him disappear. Just ask Toricelli.

  767. Jonesy says:

    So Harry Entsen is a 538 Hack for Nate the Skate Silver?

    Robbie why do you quote Dem Tweeters at every occasion?

  768. Jonesy says:

    The dems did not make Carol Mosely Braun go away in 1998. she lost that IL Sen seat on a huge scandal.

    did they take John Edwards off the 2004 Ticket?

  769. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 12, 2017 at 10:14 am
    I disagree with SoHope. Decades-old unsubstantiated allegations should not destroy political careers and reputations.
    I said the same thing ehen Congressman Dale Kildee (D-MI) faced 50-year-old allegations of child molestation a few years ago.
    If we let this be the norm, how quickly are qualified candidates going to decline to run for office because sleazy opponents will try to destroy their reputations?
    We’ve seen a similar thing in New York where political hopefuls have begun using loopholes in election laws to get opponents tossed off the ballot.
    It never ends if we don’t stop it now.

    – You’re talking about the way things SHOULD be. That’s not the way things are, though.

  770. Jonesy says:

    So Robbie are you going to ignore the top Bama pollster today?

  771. SoHope says:

    I want to win the seat….end of story
    Moore had no business getting the nomination without a proper vetting

  772. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie
    Any comment on the polls released today which show Moore with a 2-10 point lead?
    Gravis- 2
    Google- 3
    Cloud- 4+
    Breitbart/Wohl- 10

    We know you are waiting breathlessly for the JMC poll which will show Moore behind. You will announce that the afore-referenced polls are crap and the JMC poll should be taken as gospel.Right!?

  773. Wes says:

    Jonesy, Edwards had no scandals in 2004. He started facing ethical and legal problems years after leaving the Senate.

  774. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 12, 2017 at 10:35 am
    The dems did not make Carol Mosely Braun go away in 1998. she lost that IL Sen seat on a huge scandal.
    did they take John Edwards off the 2004 Ticket?

    – Big difference. Republicans control all levers of power in Alabama and the law allows the governor to postpone or suspend the election. The same was not true in Illinois in 1998.

  775. Jonesy says:

    Boom

    Breitbart- who broke WaPo smear in first place

    Accusers mother contradicts her story

  776. Jonesy says:

    Dems controlled IL state supreme court in 1998, per ballotpedia Robbie

  777. Wes says:

    Robbie, I’m no fan of Moore. You know that as well as I. I simply do not want what is happening with Moore as a precedent though.

  778. Jonesy says:

    Wes, so Braun was the only won recently for the Dems?

  779. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    3787
    Democrats who did not “immediately disappear” over sexual misconduct allegations:
    Wilbur Mills, Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, Dale Kildee, Bob Menendez, Elliot Sptizer,, Charles Rangel and more.

  780. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 12, 2017 at 10:37 am
    Robbie
    Any comment on the polls released today which show Moore with a 2-10 point lead?
    Gravis- 2
    Google- 3
    Cloud- 4+
    Breitbart/Wohl- 10
    We know you are waiting breathlessly for the JMC poll which will show Moore behind. You will announce that the afore-referenced polls are crap and the JMC poll should be taken as gospel.Right!?

    – Yes. It shows Moore is an amazingly weak candidate. We’re talking about Alabama for goodness sake. But just as importantly, the polls after Akin shot his mouth off in 2012 didn’t immediately collapse for him. It took about a week to 10 days before that really happened.

    A competent Republican in Alabama should easily get 65% of the vote. We nominated a creep who has never run strongly statewide and now appears to be at best a creep and at worst a pedophile.

    There are about 1000000 Republicans in Alabama. Almost everyone could probably do better than good ole Roy. But let’s all go to the mat for a creep. Who cares if that means every Republican will have to spend 2018 answering questions about him, right?

  781. Wes says:

    What exactly could the ILSC do to force Moseley Braun to leave the race, Jonesy? She clearly had no inclination to leave the race–unlike Torricelli after Democrats abandoned him in 2002.

  782. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 12, 2017 at 10:38 am
    Boom
    Breitbart- who broke WaPo smear in first place
    Accusers mother contradicts her story

    – Breitbart didn’t break the story. The Washington Post came to good ole Roy’s campaign for a comment so the campaign tried to get ahead of it by leaking to Breitbart hoping to get their side out first. It didn’t work though.

  783. Wes says:

    What do you mean, Jonesy? I don’t understand the question.

  784. Tina says:

    Lord arsehat has an al poll coming out.

  785. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 12, 2017 at 10:41 am
    Robbie, I’m no fan of Moore. You know that as well as I. I simply do not want what is happening with Moore as a precedent though.

    – I know you don’t like Moore, but this is politics. Life’s not fair. The precedent was set a long time ago. Trying to fight the way things works is like the Charge of the Light Brigade.

  786. Wes says:

    Personally I NEVER wanted Moore to be the nominee. He’s a sanctimonious, egotistical, showboating, lawbreaking theocrat and a weak candidate. This shouldn’t be the way to remove him from the ballot though.

  787. NYCmike says:

    “Moore had no business getting the nomination without a proper vetting.”

    -$30 million doesn’t buy much these days.

  788. NYCmike says:

    Wasn’t Toricelli guilty?

  789. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 12, 2017 at 10:46 am
    Lord arsehat has an al poll coming out.

    – Gateway Pundit to write a story after being fooled by a Russian Twitter bot account.

  790. NYCmike says:

    And the charges had been out in public for a while?

  791. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 12, 2017 at 10:49 am
    Wasn’t Toricelli guilty?

    – Considering Moore changed his story after just 24 hours, it leads me to believe he’s lying and guilty.

  792. Tina says:

    How were they fooled! Hill chump?

    They wrote, cannit confirm…

  793. Wes says:

    Charges were dropped after Torricelli left the race, Mikey. He was obviously guilty, but the prosecutors dropped the case after he left politics and went into real estate.

    Maybe they thought waking up next to Laura Ingraham was punishment enough for his crimes.

  794. Chicon says:

    808 – totally agree. Good list of reasons I wouldn’t have voted for him. However, there was a legitimate primary where the AL voters made a clear choice. That should be respected, and not overturned because of an unsubstantiated claim from decades ago.

  795. Jonesy says:

    811. Gateway a Trump victory Robbie? Much more relevant than Russia crap.

    What is your excuse? MSM poll Cruncher

  796. Jonesy says:

    Wes, was Braun the only Scandal plagued Dem in a high profile race in last 20 years, that they did not get off the ballot?

  797. Chicon says:

    813 – that is absolutely not what led you to believe he was lying. You thought he was lying the whole time.

  798. Tina says:

    Google “CNN,175,Sue”
    @NolteNC
    ·
    42m
    Massive MASSIVE story the MSM will only dutifully cover before wrist-flicking

    (link: http://cnn.it/2zAdfko) cnn.it/2zAdfko

    So far the ONLY political consequence of the Mueller probe has been the fall of the most powerful Democrat group in DC. And they missed it.

    Our media is garbage.

  799. Jonesy says:

    If you did not know Robbie’s bio, you would think he was a press bot for Schumer

  800. Wes says:

    Tom Rooney was another, Jonesy. He had been having a multitude of affairs despite running as a “family values” candidate. He lost by 20 points.

  801. Tina says:

    Google “CNN,175,Sue”
    @NolteNC
    ·
    23h
    Remember…

    all the same Vichy Repubs demanding we throw Moore overboard over one WaPo report with 40 year old witnesses…

    Told us not to believe a 40 year old WaPo report with witnesses accusing @MittRomney of being a homophobic bully.

    They have no decency.

    Certainly quittens cannot run for ut senate now.

  802. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    November 12, 2017 at 10:58 am
    813 – that is absolutely not what led you to believe he was lying. You thought he was lying the whole time.

    – I believed the veracity of the story when it was published and then Moore got tripped up on his story and confirmed even more he was lying.

    I’m sure Roy appreciates you’re willingness to let him run and quite possibly lose the very definition of an unlosable seat.

    I guess you supported Akin staying in the race as well.

  803. Jonesy says:

    Drudge is pushing Terry McCauliffe for 2020?

    The guy is dirtier than Menendez. Clinton hack indictment would fix that anyway

  804. Chicon says:

    824 – do you read all of a post before responding?

  805. Jonesy says:

    Robbie, was evidence on Akin, Mo was more purple in 2012. McKaskill was a incumbent who beat Jim Talent.

    Not even close Robbie

  806. Wes says:

    Sorry.

    Tim Mahoney.

    Tom Rooney defeated Tim Mahoney.

  807. Jonesy says:

    822. Thanks Wes

  808. Robbie says:

    I saw Steve Mnuchin was forced to address the Roy Moore scandal. Get used to this. Every Republican is going to be asked their view on this idiocy for a long time to come. You can bet a great candidate like Barbara Comstock is going to be pelted with ads on this topic next year.

  809. Jonesy says:

    Did Patrick Murphy have scandals against Rubio in 2016?

  810. Jonesy says:

    830. If Moore wins, and stays somewhat calm, this crap forgotten by Febuary

  811. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 12, 2017 at 11:06 am
    Robbie, was evidence on Akin, Mo was more purple in 2012. McKaskill was a incumbent who beat Jim Talent.
    Not even close Robbie

    – Anyone who follows politics knows McCaskill was a goner in 2012 to any Republican but Akin. And Akin still probably would’ve won had he not opened his mouth. It didn’t matter that Mo wasn’t as red as it is now. She was widely unpopular and would have lost.

  812. Jonesy says:

    Where is Richard Shelby in all of this?

  813. Wes says:

    I don’t know if Murphy had scandals so much as Rubio pointed out Murphy was a ne’er-do-well playboy who spent all of his father’s money rather than actually conducting work as a CPA.

  814. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    November 12, 2017 at 11:05 am
    824 – do you read all of a post before responding?

    – Do you only show up to defend Trump and now Moore?

  815. Tina says:

    So, the greatest thing that mueller has done?

    Taken out podesta group.

  816. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 12, 2017 at 11:10 am
    Where is Richard Shelby in all of this?

    – He called on Moore to drop out on Thursday. Robert Costa reported Shelby has been working behind the scenes to get Moore to quit.

  817. Tina says:

    I only show up to defend hillary.

    Jebot

  818. Robbie says:

    (((Harry Enten)))?
    @ForecasterEnten

    JMC Analytics: Doug Jones (D) 48 percent, Roy Moore (R) 44 percent.

  819. Jonesy says:

    833. As usual Robbie, you miss the point.

    Doug Jones is no mckaskill. Mo in 2012, was no deep red state like Bama. Barry almost won it 2008.
    Akin spoke publicly about Abortion in real time.

    Is your hatred of Christians blinding you that much?

  820. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 12, 2017 at 11:11 am
    I only show up to defend hillary.
    Jebot

    – If my only job was to show up and mock you and your conspiracy theories, I’d do it with pride and joy.

  821. Tina says:

    Bill Kristol
    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    Kim Jong-un presides over an unspeakably cruel and totalitarian regime. Trump is happy to insult him or (half-jokingly?) say he hopes to befriend him. The one thing Trump doesn’t do is express revulsion at the regime and hope that the people of North Korea will one day be free

    The socialist son aka real con is triggered.

  822. Tina says:

    Muh russian

    Muh wire

    Brokered convention.

    Those are all of your conspiracy theories, hill chump.

  823. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 12, 2017 at 11:13 am
    833. As usual Robbie, you miss the point.

    – No. You miss the point. Alabama is the very definition of a sure thing for Republicans. Moore is about to lose it.

  824. Jonesy says:

    840. Of course you dismiss a double digit lead by Bama’s best pollster.

    What are the iternals. Is this another poll showing Pat Roberts losing in 2014?

    Robbie you were predicting Jones up by double digits

  825. Jonesy says:

    Bill Kristol is Robbie’s Drunk Uncle

  826. Phil says:

    One thing either way – Republicans with a helluva mess on their hands in Alabama.

  827. Tina says:

    ALl the right people are triggered by trumps tweets.

    They include mcamnesty, sjw yates, who lost in the sc 9-0, the head of the weekly cruiseline standard, and rocketman.

  828. Jonesy says:

    842. Your prediction of a Brokered Convention was not a Conspiracy theory , Robbie?

  829. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 12, 2017 at 11:16 am
    842. Your prediction of a Brokered Convention was not a Conspiracy theory , Robbie?

    – I know reading comprehension can be an issue here, but I never predicted a brokered convention in 2012 or 2016. I desperately hoped for one though.

  830. Jonesy says:

    Moore wins, Menendez stays in a senate. Its a wash

  831. Jonesy says:

    851. Liar

  832. Robbie says:

    Let’s see. Go with a Breitbart rescue poll or go with a credible, unaffiliated pollster.

  833. Tina says:

    Josh Rogin
    Josh Rogin
    @joshrogin
    Brennan: “Donald Trump can be played by foreign leaders who appeal to his ego.” @CNNSotu

    Lol, is brennan or clapper the one that lied before congress?

  834. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 12, 2017 at 11:18 am
    Moore wins, Menendez stays in a senate. Its a wash

    – So your cool with pedophilia allegation as long as the candidate still wins? Got it.

  835. Phil says:

    I just don’t want a Schumer puppet occupying a deep red senate seat.

  836. Tina says:

    Where is the bb poll?

  837. Phil says:

    It’s bad enough that Republicans saved sky queen by nominating Akin.

  838. Chicon says:

    836 – that’s a no, then.

  839. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    November 12, 2017 at 11:27 am
    836 – that’s a no, then.

    – If I haven’t missed 300 or 400, I do try and read most posts. I at least try and skim.

    Have you ever not defended Trump and now Moore?

  840. Chicon says:

    861 – yep. Plenty of times, including in this very thread this morning on Moore. But, as usual, you don’t retain those parts.

  841. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    November 12, 2017 at 11:35 am
    861 – yep. Plenty of times, including in this very thread this morning on Moore. But, as usual, you don’t retain those parts.

    – I tend to skim the posts of those who fall for conspiracies like the Seth Rich story.

  842. Chicon says:

    863 – right.

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