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Moore Leads BY Double Digits in AL

Emerson College is not buying what JMC Analytics claims in their most recent poll for the US Senate race in Alabama. According to Emerson College, Roy Moore is still maintaining a double-digit lead over Democrat Doug Jones when undecided are pushed to pick one side or the other.

US SENATE – ALABAMA (Emerson)
Roy Moore (R) 55%
Doug Jones (D) 45%

This poll was done November 9-11 among 600 likely voters.
In the final poll done by Emerson College for the just completed election in Virginia, Emerson claimed Northam was going to win by 3%. He ended up winning by 9%.

Posted by Dave at 11:51 am
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2,013 Responses to “Moore Leads BY Double Digits in AL”

  1. Jonesy says:

    First

  2. Jonesy says:

    Very quiet here, since the new Bush allegations came out.

  3. Redmen4ever says:

    My average of polls before and after announcement: Moore dropped from a lead of 11.6 points to one of 5.4. These averages include a lot of lower quality or not as well established polls.

    JMC and Emerson show similar 10 point swings before and after.

    On p. 5, JMC reveals that his sample includes 47 percent self-identified Democrats and 45 percent Republicans. Other surveys that report such numbers have Republicans in the high 50s and Democrats in the low 30s.

    Perhaps I’m wrong, but I don’t see an Exit Poll for Alabama. However, Gallup puts it as among the most Republican states in the country, at +17R.

    Since each of the state polls is on the small side, I’m not surprised by unusual results in particular polls. The bottom line is that Alabama is not Safe Republican, not whether Moore is leading by merely single digits.

  4. BRENT says:

    rpy moore will win by double digits,the citiznes are very aware of these crooked tactic by the left and gop e,using women from 30 plus yrs ago to attack with sexual abuse claims !!!

  5. Jonesy says:

    Brent, posters at RRH, actually think Alldred is credible. LOL

  6. Jonesy says:

    Red, people here yesterday defended the JMC poll with a frickin D+2 sample in Ruby Red Bama.

    Just a joke

  7. Jonesy says:

    Bannon must believe Moore. He and Breitbart have a lot to lose if Moore is lying

  8. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    On Friday, I predicted that once the initial story died down, Gloria Allred would start to roll out the lawsuits against Roy Moore.
    The Left play book is so predictable!

  9. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    November 13, 2017 at 12:20 pm
    Mitch more aggressively calling for Moore to get out. Says he believes the women. Perhaps he knows more than us.

    – I doubt McConnell knows more than us about other accusers, but I suspect McConnell realizes Moore will be a lead weight around the necks of candidates in 2018 and has decided it’s better to lose the seat than win and allow Moore’s nuttiness to become fully associated with the Republican party.

  10. Robbie says:

    More Republican Senators have called on good ole Roy to leave the race. Susan Collins and Orrin hatch have both made their views known this afternoon.

  11. NYCmike says:

    “I’m sure if this forum had existed in January 1998”

    -When were the next elections…..within 5 weeks?

    Again, IF NOT FOR DRUDGE, that story would have been whitewashed.*

    *If anyone addressed this on previous thread, I apologize for bringing it up again.

    I would also point out they were CURRENT allegations, as the dress was still wet…..

  12. Chicon says:

    11 – details, details.

  13. janz says:

    I’ve never bothered to follow Roy Moore’s career, as he just didn’t interest me. During the recent primaries I was hoping Strange would win. However, with the results as they are, much like when Trump became the GOP nominee, I don’t see Moore pulling out of the campaign. And, for the greater good of legislation being able to pass, I hope he wins.

    Furthermore, similar to Trump’s Access Hollywood tape suddenly appearing, along with a trove of women, at a convenient time in his GE campaign, I find the sudden tarnishing of Moore’s reputation by sexual misconduct charges decades ago, somewhat suspect at this point in time — one month out of the election. Combine this with the skill set of the dems – perfected through the years — of interjecting character assassination themes to win elections, I hope such a ploy doesn’t work this time, if for nothing else but what wes said earlier — about inserting allegations into other candidates’ elections in order to successfully counter their opposition.

  14. Waingro says:

    I think SanDiegoCitizen suggested something like this — albeit with Sessions instead running as a write-in.

    I think this would be a cowardly way to handle this and could only backfire with the MAGA crowd.

    Again, like I said in earlier thread: the only way to stymie Moore is if Trump himself comes out and denounces him. Anonymous “white house officials” are not going to cut it.

    “One idea now being discussed under this scenario, brought up by two different White House officials who spoke on condition of anonymity, would be for Gov. Kay Ivey of Alabama to block Mr. Moore if he wins, and then immediately appoint Attorney General Jeff Sessions to what had been his seat when it becomes vacant again. Mr. Sessions remains highly popular among Alabama Republicans, but his relationship with President Trump has waned since he recused himself from the investigation of the role that Russia played in last year’s campaign.

    Republicans in Washington, though, have not ruled out fielding a write-in candidate and some of the party’s outside groups were expected to conduct surveys this week of who would be most formidable prospect, according to officials familiar with the plans.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/us/politics/roy-moore-alabama-senate.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share

  15. Waingro says:

    Mistrial coming….

    Nicholas Pugliese?Verified account @nickpugz

    BREAKING: Note just now from Menendez jury: “As of 2pm, on behalf of all jurors, we cannot reach a unanimous decision on any of the charges. Is there any additional guidance? And what do we do now?” Judge sends jury home and tells them to continue deliberations tomorrow.
    2:33 PM – 13 Nov 2017

  16. Robbie says:

    According to Jonathan Martin of the New York Times, two White House advisors have floated Jeff Sessions name as a write-in option or as a potential replacement should Moore win and then be expelled from the Senate.

  17. Robbie says:

    Probably the most misguided reason to hope Moore wins is that he will be a team player who will help pass legislation. Anyone who knows anything about Moore knows he is not a team player. All he would do is roll hand grenades down the aisle and force lots of votes on social issues like transgendered bathrooms and gay marriage which will make Republicans in purplish states harder to elect.

  18. Waingro says:

    From the Alred hired accuser:

    Alex Silverman?Verified account @AlexSilverman

    Beverly Young Nelson alleges Roy Moore “began squeezing my neck attempting to force my head into his crotch.” She was 16.

  19. Robbie says:

    The new of accuser of Roy Moore claims he “began squeezing my neck attempting to force my head into his crotch.”

    This is from the prepared statement she released to the press before she read it aloud. Her presentation is quite emotional.

  20. Robbie says:

    Waingro keeps beating me with his posts.

  21. NYCmike says:

    “Probably the most misguided reason to hope Moore wins is that he will be a team player who will help pass legislation.”

    -Will you blame him for the 2017 results?

  22. Waingro says:

    #20, heh, Robbie, clearly you and I have very similar Twitter feeds.

  23. Todd McCain says:

    They don’t need a write in. The Governor of Alabama can cancel the special election at any time.

  24. janz says:

    I just ran across this American Thinker piece — Stuff and Nonsense: Clarity on Judge Roy Moore — which seems to mirror my earlier comment. However, what they added was a deserved admonition of the knee-jerk repudiation Republicans have immediately leveled against Moore.

    “That so many Republicans have abandoned or come out against Moore is reckless, shameful, and destructive. That the liberal MSM has done the same was predictable.”

    What is it about the republican party that there are consistently so many back-stabbers, who would rather jump on the sanctimonious band wagon than wait until more evidence is available to either validate or discredit such last minute charges leveled at a party member?

  25. Robbie says:

    I’ll say this about the woman accusing Roy Moore today. If she’s acting, she’s darn good at it.

  26. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    November 13, 2017 at 2:58 pm
    They don’t need a write in. The Governor of Alabama can cancel the special election at any time.

    – Apparently, the governor has, sadly, already shot down that idea.

  27. Todd McCain says:

    I am always skeptical of someone that waits 30 plus years to come out with an allegation; I’m sorry, this reeks….

  28. Proud Obamacon says:

    Aw shucks, this was 30-40 years ago. It was completely normal for upstanding 30yr old gentlemen to squeeze the necks of 16yr old girls and try to get the girls to blow them.

    Give the poor christian judge a break!

  29. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    November 13, 2017 at 3:00 pm
    I am always skeptical of someone that waits 30 plus years to come out with an allegation; I’m sorry, this reeks….

    – I get what you’re saying, but look at how long people waited to come out about Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, and the others.

  30. Robbie says:

    It’s going to be hard for good ole Roy to deny he knew the new accuser.

    Rich Lowry?
    @RichLowry

    new accuser has Roy Moore’s signature and inscription in her year book, just as she said

  31. janz says:

    The Menendez trial judge has told the jury to go home early and come back Tuesday to resume their deliberations, in lieu of them being deadlocked. I take this to mean that Menendez will probably get off the hook. In the meantime, how many dems have come out during the trial and asked him to step down? Hmmmm….

  32. Todd McCain says:

    Would be awesome if Sessions jumped back into the race or senate.

  33. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    November 13, 2017 at 3:04 pm
    Would be awesome if Sessions jumped back into the race or senate.

    – Easiest, best, and smartest way to put a bow on this mess.

  34. Todd McCain says:

    janz says:

    November 13, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    The Menendez trial judge has told the jury to go home early and come back Tuesday to resume their deliberations, in lieu of them being deadlocked. I take this to mean that Menendez will probably get off the hook. In the meantime, how many dems have come out during the trial and asked him to step down? Hmmmm….

    Agree with this 100%. Even if convicted, Menendez likely wouldn’t have stepped down and the dems would have ignored the story.

  35. Robbie says:

    Allahpundit?
    @allahpundit

    She could be an Antifa super soldier under deep cover

  36. Redmen4ever says:

    There is a long history to the Senate expelling members. Some of these have involved conduct prior to service in the Senate. Most recently, 2011, John Ensign [R] of Nevada, for financial impropriety in conjunction with an extramarital affair. More relevantly, William Langer [R] of North Dakota. After his 1940 election to the Senate, he was challenged because of convictions for corruption while serving as Governor. Although he wasn’t removed, the effort to remove him demonstrated that the Senate is the final arbitrator of who is and who isn’t qualified. With so many Republicans already announced as saying Moore is unqualified, those who consider him innocent until proven guilty, can be confident that is the evidence is developed to the satisfaction of a Senate committee investigating the case, they won’t have a pedophile to Washington. This trial by public opinion is not about justice. It’s about politics.

  37. NYCmike says:

    “– I get what you’re saying, but look at how long people waited to come out about Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, and the others.”

    -WHY, WHY, WHY do you keep comparing this to those people?

    Weinstein had a contract which stated that as long as he paid the $ettlements, that his company would NOT interfere.

    They knew about it.

    And with Spacey, and Bush, those men apologized for their behavior.

    Moore has denied any sexual improprieties.

  38. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 13, 2017 at 3:12 pm
    “– I get what you’re saying, but look at how long people waited to come out about Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, and the others.”
    -WHY, WHY, WHY do you keep comparing this to those people?

    – WHY, WHY, WHY do you keep defending someone like Roy Moore?

  39. Robbie says:

    NYCmike

    Go watch the video of the new accuser’s allegations. She even has proof they knew each other because he signed her high school year book.

    Just because good ole Roy says it didn’t happen, doesn’t mean he’s telling the truth.

  40. Robbie says:

    Are you willing to sink tax reform to save good ole Roy’s campaign?

  41. Robbie says:

    David M. Drucker?
    @DavidMDrucker

    .@NRSC Chair @SenCoryGardner supports expelling @MooreSenate “..if he wins: If he refuses to withdraw and wins, the Senate should vote to expel him, because he does not meet the ethical and moral requirements of the United States Senate.”

    – Nuclear war.

  42. NYCmike says:

    “– WHY, WHY, WHY do you keep defending someone like Roy Moore?”

    -As explained very clearly by several other posters, this is not solely about Roy Moore.

  43. Todd McCain says:

    The only way imo to get Moore out is for Trump to come out publicly calling for him to step aside.

    Sessions in and then Trump could also nominate someone who doesn’t have to recuse themselves from the Russia investigation.

  44. Waingro says:

    Looks like the Alred accuser at least has some decent corroboration of establishing a timeline as to some sort of relationship with Moore.

    Josh Barro?Verified account @jbarro

    Roy Moore’s signature from that 1977 yearbook matches Roy Moore’s signature on his US Term Limits pledge this year.

    https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/930164286143565830

  45. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jonesy wants to know what her political party is. LOL

  46. Waingro says:

    “The only way imo to get Moore out is for Trump to come out publicly calling for him to step aside.”

    Yup. Until then, MAGA’s like Ingraham and Hannity as well as sites like Gatewaypundit and Breitbart will continue to hold the fort. They need the go ahead signal from their master first.

  47. Michael says:

    What are you talking about troll?

  48. Todd McCain says:

    46. It would suck to lose the seat, but then again the ancillary benefit is that the Bannon candidates will be irreparably damaged.

  49. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    November 13, 2017 at 3:21 pm
    46. It would suck to lose the seat, but then again the ancillary benefit is that the Bannon candidates will be irreparably damaged.

    – I’d like to believe you’re right, but the Bannon wing isn’t really concerned with winning. They care about sending a message.

  50. Phil says:

    “they care more about sending a message”

    Unfortunately, that’s probably correct.

  51. Trump says:

    If Alabama calls another special election, Moore will run again.

  52. Phil says:

    I do not understand the governor. Think any Democratic governor would hesitate a half second before delaying the election in a blue state?

  53. Trump says:

    “…Bannon candidates will be irreparably damaged.”

    Bannon will run candidates that harm the GOP.

  54. Phil says:

    51

    Probably right. This guy won’t be happy until Doug Jones is sworn in. What a disaster.

  55. Trump says:


    Phil says:
    November 13, 2017 at 3:28 pm

    I do not understand the governor. Think any Democratic governor would hesitate a half second before delaying the election in a blue state?”

    How would that change anything? Roy Moore will run any time there is an election.

  56. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 13, 2017 at 3:28 pm
    I do not understand the governor. Think any Democratic governor would hesitate a half second before delaying the election in a blue state?

    – The worse this gets, and it’s getting bad, the crazier it is for Governor Ivey to sit there and do nothing.

    In the end, this is going to require that Trump publically call on Moore to quit. Moore won’t, but it might signal to the governor it’s time to act.

    The easiest solution is Jeff Sessions.

  57. Phil says:

    56

    I have to agree with the entirety of your post.

  58. NYCmike says:

    “Are you willing to sink tax reform to save good ole Roy’s campaign?”

    -I am NOT willing to allow the media to wield allegations as weapons.

    Tax reform is NOT GUARANTEED with the men and women in the Senate right now, so the fight vs the media takes precedence.

    I have not watched the video of the new accuser yet, but will do so.

    YES, with Gloria Allred as her lawyer, I am biased against her, for good reason.

  59. Trump says:

    Tax reform is sinking without Roy Moore.

  60. Paul says:

    Latest accuser was once in the same state as Hillary Clinton. She’s a Dem hack.

  61. Trump says:

    Credit John McCain for sinking tax reform.

  62. Proud Obamacon says:

    Where is LisaB to tell us that this isn’t “typical” molestor behavior?

  63. Phil says:

    59

    Probably true. Losing that vote plus you can always rely on McCain to blow up anything on our side.

  64. NYCmike says:

    If latest woman is more credible, I would be in agreement with the Governor delaying things…the reaction from Democrats would be good to see.

    BUT, is the woman going to press charges? According to the statute of limitations mentioned, I would think that it would be considered an attempt at forcible rape. Is that incorrect?

  65. Robbie says:

    “How to lose an unlosable race in 10 days”

    Directed by Roy Moore

  66. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 13, 2017 at 3:36 pm
    59
    Probably true. Losing that vote plus you can always rely on McCain to blow up anything on our side.

    – Given Moore’s past, not sure him winning would make a difference on tax reform.

  67. Paul says:

    Latest accuser was 16! Nothing illegal ’bout that.

  68. Proud Obamacon says:

    Oh ok, the accuser is a Trump supporter. Jonesy will believe her I guess… LOL

  69. Phil says:

    Delay the election, run Sessions, and everyone will be happy – except for Schumer of course.

  70. Michael says:

    The troll believes these girls but didn’t believe Monica Loinsky even the blue dress TROLL!!

  71. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 13, 2017 at 3:39 pm
    Delay the election, run Sessions, and everyone will be happy – except for Schumer of course.

    – FoxNews reports Sessions isn’t interested in the Senate.

    Still, delay the election.

  72. Robbie says:

    Doug Jones is set to become the next Scott Brown unless Trump steps in.

  73. Trump says:

    Brokered Convention!

    That is the answer!

  74. Robbie says:

    Mike Cernovich has dumped Roy Moore. Mike freaking Cernovich!

    Time for Ted Cruz to step up.

  75. Proud Obamacon says:

    Huh Michael? Been hanging out with Tina lately?

  76. Waingro says:

    “Doug Jones is set to become the next Scott Brown unless Trump steps in”

    And, amazingly, all it would take is a “simple” tweet by Trump saying something negative about Moore, and most of the MAGA subordinates would then abandon ship.

  77. Waingro says:

    “Mike Cernovich has dumped Roy Moore. Mike freaking Cernovich!

    Time for Ted Cruz to step up.”

    That won’t cut it. Need someone like Hannity, Ingraham, Fox and Friends or Gatewaypundit/Breitbart to open the floodgates.

  78. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    November 13, 2017 at 3:54 pm
    “Mike Cernovich has dumped Roy Moore. Mike freaking Cernovich!
    Time for Ted Cruz to step up.”
    That won’t cut it. Need someone like Hannity, Ingraham, Fox and Friends or Gatewaypundit/Breitbart to open the floodgates.

    – I agree, but isn’t pathetic Cruz has not yet commented on all of this?

    If Cruz has commented, then I retract. But I haven’t seen anything.

  79. Phil says:

    77

    Probably right. Of course, Hannity is a no go.

  80. janz says:

    The GOP Establishment Wants to Burn Down the Village to Save it for Themselves. That about sums it up in describing the frantic hysteria surrounding the Roy Moore allegations. The GOP should just rename itself, “The Party of the Morally Stupid and Legislatively Paralyzed!”

  81. Redmen4ever says:

    Latest accusation is of forcible rape. There is no statute of limitations.

  82. NYCmike says:

    Women that Gloria Allred has NOT represented:

    Monica Lewinsky

    Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones and another woman, Kathy Shelton

    the person who had “Carlos Danger’s” picture

    the person who had picture of Anthony Weiner’s junk

    Rose Macgowan

  83. NYCmike says:

    “Latest accusation is of forcible rape. There is no statute of limitations.”

    -Then Moore should be charged.

    Will the woman press charges? If not, her story is NOT CREDIBLE. She would have NOTHING to fear in this environment, if her story is true.

  84. Chicon says:

    Does the governor’s power allow for a delay in the vote (with the same candidates), or is the only power to cancel the vote and start the process all over? Can the governor simply cancel the special and allow Luther to serve out the rest of the term?

    This last option seems to put the thing to bed with the least waves.

  85. NYCmike says:

    janz,

    Robbie, for sure, will NOT read Schlichters opinion piece.

  86. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    November 13, 2017 at 4:05 pm
    Does the governor’s power allow for a delay in the vote (with the same candidates), or is the only power to cancel the vote and start the process all over? Can the governor simply cancel the special and allow Luther to serve out the rest of the term?
    This last option seems to put the thing to bed with the least waves.

    – The story I read over the weekend in the NYT suggested the governor had broad authority to suspend or even cancel the process.

    That said, Kay Ivey said this morning (before the latest allegations) that she would still vote for Moore.

  87. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 13, 2017 at 4:07 pm
    janz,
    Robbie, for sure, will NOT read Schlichters opinion piece.

    – I have written repeatedly that Schlichter is a hack and not worthy of any time.

  88. Trump says:

    “And, amazingly, all it would take is a “simple” tweet by Trump saying something negative about Moore, and most of the MAGA subordinates would then abandon ship.”

    Why?

    Didn’t Trump campaign for Strange?

  89. Wes says:

    Redmen, John Ensign resigned willingly. The Senate did not expel him.

  90. Robbie says:

    NBC News reports Trump will look into the Moore situation once he returns tomorrow night. If Trump wants his agenda to have any chance of success, he has to dump Moore and encourage the governor to suspend the election.

  91. NYCmike says:

    ” If Trump wants his agenda to have any chance of success, he has to dump Moore and encourage the governor to suspend the election.”

    -According to Robbie, Trump must dump Moore and stop tweeting.

    Allow the media to determine ALL of the narratives and everything will be fine…….just like for George W Bush.

  92. Wes says:

    We now have two allegations against Moore. DW noted pedophiles have a high recidivism rate.

    I was willing to give Moore the benefit of the doubt for one allegation.

    Two may be bandwagon jumping, but that’s rather unlikely.

    I can’t stand by him anymore.

    This is now a bridge too far.

    Despite how much I loathe him, I would have stuck by Roy Moore to the bitter end for one unsubstantiated allegation. We now have two with an allegation of violence in the second. I’m throwing the red flag.

  93. Phil says:

    With Wes on this one – bridge too far.

    Governor needs to get off her duff.

  94. Wes says:

    Where is Richard Shelby in all this?

  95. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 13, 2017 at 4:26 pm
    ” If Trump wants his agenda to have any chance of success, he has to dump Moore and encourage the governor to suspend the election.”
    -According to Robbie, Trump must dump Moore and stop tweeting.
    Allow the media to determine ALL of the narratives and everything will be fine…….just like for George W Bush.

    – So are you still going to bat for Moore because of the liberal media?

  96. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 13, 2017 at 4:32 pm
    Where is Richard Shelby in all this?

    – Bob Costa reported on Friday night that Shelby has been working behind the scenes to get Moore to quit. The problem for Shelby is the one that faced Republicans with Akin. How do you reason with an idiot?

  97. Waingro says:

    “NBC News reports Trump will look into the Moore situation once he returns tomorrow night. If Trump wants his agenda to have any chance of success, he has to dump Moore and encourage the governor to suspend the election.”

    Robbie where did you see this?

  98. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    November 13, 2017 at 4:33 pm
    “NBC News reports Trump will look into the Moore situation once he returns tomorrow night. If Trump wants his agenda to have any chance of success, he has to dump Moore and encourage the governor to suspend the election.”
    Robbie where did you see this?

    – I was flipping through the channels and saw that Kristen Welker reported it.

  99. Wes says:

    Here’s how I’d reason with him:

    At this point, you’re more likely to see a prison cell than the floor of the Senate. Is being Bubba’s bitch for the next few years worth continuing this kamikaze mission?

  100. Waingro says:

    Here is the biggest MAGA Trumpkin of them all still fighting the good fight. Without a signal from his master, this beat will go on.

    Bill Mitchell?Verified account @mitchellvii
    32s32 seconds ago

    The sickening part in all this is that it is OBVIOUS Mitch McConnell is behind this whole Moore hit.

    Obvious.
    0 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    Bill Mitchell?Verified account @mitchellvii
    2m2 minutes ago

    Isn’t it weird that Moore was apparently such a predator but after 40 years in public life, only now, a month before an election do they all feel the burning need to come forward?

  101. Wes says:

    I defended Moore every way I could. I was wrong. He’s done.

  102. Jonesy says:

    Wes, I tend to agree. This all too much.

    Many of the GopE do not realize, that now the WaPo can take out any GOP Senator or Governor on hearsay 30 to 40 years old.

    Look at Bush 1

  103. Wes says:

    Hey, Bill, McConnell would seat Satan if it gave him another Senator for his majority.

    This isn’t McConnell.

    In any event, we now havd a pattern of behavior. This is all Roy Moore.

  104. Jonesy says:

    Robbie, I know you are happy because you like being right (which is rare), but the Bush legacy was destroyed today also.

    And this summer, I guarantee that several GOP moderates will be in the same situation Moore is right now, and will not even fight back

  105. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes is no Trumper. Wes is also not Robbie. If Moore has lost Wes, that is a real blow.

  106. Jonesy says:

    They will nail Lindsay Graham on his sexuality next, you watch. there have been rumors for years

  107. Jonesy says:

    Time to start a pool.

    What GOP politico will the WaPo nail next?

  108. Jonesy says:

    Sessions is it. Otherwise the seat is lost

  109. Robbie says:

    The only question that matters now is whether Trump agrees Moore is a liability. You can bet your bottom dollar that Bannon will be in his ear telling Trump he will lose the base if he throws Moore overboard.

    I think Pence understands the liability Moore is, but Trump prefers Bannon’s ear much of the time.

  110. Waingro says:

    Rick Klein?Verified account @rickklein
    1h1 hour ago

    Cory Gardner, NRSC chair: “If he refuses to withdraw and wins, the Senate should vote to expel him.”

  111. Bitterlaw says:

    Since I have lived such a boring life (I met my wife when we were both 22), I may be President soon. I’m disappointed in the rest of you pervs.

    I will give Walt a slight pass on dating younger women. Being the first man on Earth means that every woman was younger than him.

  112. BayernFan says:

    BOOM

  113. Wes says:

    One allegation I could question, Bitter. Once another dropped, the likelihood that Moore had not engaged in criminal sexual acts dropped also.

    I’m not sure I completely believe the first allegation, but now I’m not sure there’s no truth to it.

    Recidivism is a hallmark of molesters snd pedophiles. We now have two allegations. That should be enough to destroy Moore’s candidacy.

  114. NYCmike says:

    “– So are you still going to bat for Moore because of the liberal media?”

    -Is the accuser going to press charges?

    If the Governor has the power, let her delay election. That gives the accusers time to press charges, at the least. If the accuser is willing to go that far, that would make me re-think this media abuse.

    If the accuser is NOT going to press charges, then it is more b*llsh*t, in my humble opinion.*

    *Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Bubba get sued?

  115. justsayin says:

    Who the heck signs a year book to a 16 year old girl… Love Roy Moore.

  116. BayernFan says:

    110…..

    Yeah that will go over well.

  117. NYCmike says:

    What’s the year book piece of evidence?

  118. Wes says:

    That’s what I think, JS. The optics are horrible.

    Moore is as done as a Thanksgiving turkey.

  119. Waingro says:

    “Time to start a pool.

    What GOP politico will the WaPo nail next?”

    Depends on how credible the next hit job allegations are and how the target can and does respond to them.

    Multiple MSM and liberal entities tried everything they could to uncover dirt on Marco Rubio during the POTUS primaries out of fear that he would be the nominee and came up empty-handed.

    Trump, obviously, withstood a massive last second hit job(s) on him and survived. But Moore is no Trump (and NO ONE else really is.)

  120. Jonesy says:

    Gardner is a moron to say that. He is basically saying the GOP is willing to write the seat off

  121. Robbie says:

    BayernFan says:
    November 13, 2017 at 4:46 pm
    110…..
    Yeah that will go over well.

    – It would likely be a 99-0 vote to expel. I find it hard to believe the country will be mad at Republicans for ejecting a guy like Moore.

  122. Chicon says:

    101 – wes, more facts came in, as DW suggested would be the case if he were the pig described. Imo, your stance was solid and is solid now, given the additional facts.

    It is still reasonable, and correct imo, to value the principle that unsubstantiated allegations should not bring down a candidate already nominated by voters. The allegations are now better substantiated.

  123. Waingro says:

    Lindsey Graham?Verified account @LindseyGrahamSC
    9m9 minutes ago

    In light of the most recent allegations and the cumulative effect of others, I believe #RoyMoore would be doing himself, the state, the GOP, and the country a service by stepping aside.

    If he continues this will not end well for Mr. Moore.

  124. Jonesy says:

    199. You cannot include Trump. He is a classic street fighter who never backs down.

    The rest of the GOP never fights back, and will cower under the next smear.

  125. Robbie says:

    Robert Costa?
    @costareports

    Senior Trump admin. officials have been in touch in recent days with people close to Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey, per several people briefed

  126. Wes says:

    That’s not at all what he’s saying, Jonesy. He’s saying the Senate will eject Moore, meaning Moore will no longer be a member and Ivey will have to call ANOTHER special election.

  127. Wes says:

    Thank you, Chicon.

  128. Jonesy says:

    Robbie, do not gloat. One of your boys could be next. MSM smells GOP blood, and knows they do not fight back

  129. Waingro says:

    We are getting there….MAGA’s will probably go silent now…

    Robert Costa?Verified account @costareports
    2m2 minutes ago

    Senior Trump admin. officials have been in touch in recent days with people close to Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey, per several people briefed

  130. Waingro says:

    Ha, sorry, you beat me that time, Robbie.

  131. Jonesy says:

    125. Is that a retweet, you posted that Friday

  132. Jonesy says:

    Look I am a Wes cheerleader. and trust his judgement. I just want to hold the seat.

  133. Chicon says:

    121 – and of course all the Dems will vote to expel – they have to, if it comes up.

  134. Robbie says:

    Costa just tweeted that 10 minutes ago.

  135. Wes says:

    I want to hold it too, Jonesy. I think Moore could have held it with just the first allegation. The second one obliterated his credibility and electability.

  136. Jonesy says:

    Waingro, why would MAGA’s go silent? They won a election in 2016 that Moderates like McCain and Romney got crushed in by Obama.

  137. Jonesy says:

    134. Costa I do not trust. He told us in 2009 that Obamacare would never pass

  138. Chicon says:

    136 – Jonesy, good opportunity for the MAGA’s to say you can be a MAGA without being a pig.

  139. Jonesy says:

    The Dam has broken though Wes. The MSM got their scalp. Nobody in the GOP that ever interacted with a women in the past 40 years is safe

  140. Waingro says:

    #136, actually, you’re right. I jumped the gun. Bill Mitchell is still going bonkers on Twitter.

  141. Jonesy says:

    138. True Chi

  142. Bitterlaw says:

    2024 will be an interesting Republican primary if Wes decides to run in the GOP.

    Wes – Open amoral womanizer.

    Bitterlaw – Boring once-married with dull, pristine past.

  143. Jonesy says:

    Wain , Bill Mitchell predicted a Trump victory thru the Summer and Fall of 2016, while being called a fool by the GopE.

    what was you prediction?

  144. Redmen4ever says:

    Moore should demand that this accuser present her case to a District Attorney so he can defend his name. Just as she deserves to be taken seriously, he deserves due process.

    He can then say that it is unfair to the voters of Alabama that an election be held when such accusations haven’t been presented, when they should have, a long time ago, or at least earlier this year, and ask the Governor to postpone the election until a competent authority such as a grand jury can determine if there is probable cause, in which case he would withdraw and his party can name a replacement candidate.

  145. Wes says:

    I’m not happy about it, Jonesy, but I can no longer back Roy Moore on this.

    I’m like the guys who defended Pete Rose for years.

    Eventually they had to accept reality when presented with a preponderance of evidence.

  146. Jonesy says:

    142. Being a Eagles Fan disqualifies you from POTUS, Bitter

  147. Jonesy says:

    145. Well said as always Wes.

  148. Waingro says:

    #143, yup, he nailed it. And I’ve continued to follow him for that very reason.

    All I’m illustrating is that he is the ultimate MAGA Trumpkin, so you can basically gauge where things are at with his tweets etc.

  149. BayernFan says:

    Refusing to seat a duly popularly elected Senator on the basis of allegations like these would not go over well. Moreover, it would set a horrible precedent.

    My hunch is that the Swamp is going to have to come up with something more recent (a lot more recent) than 19 frikkin 77.

    The guy may be a yahoo….. but this looks more and more like a ham handed hit job.

    If the people of the state of Alabama agree, the Senate would have to have a lot of gall refusing to seat him, especially with the crooks that are serving in there now. Unless they’re OK with facing a backlash and all that being pointed out. It would be a one-sided meme war.

  150. Jonesy says:

    fair enough, Wain, sorry. Bad day, not because of Moore, but I despise Robbie’s pals at the MSM

  151. Robbie says:

    Robert Costa?
    @costareports

    Senior Trump admin. officials have been in touch in recent days with people close to Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey, per several people briefed

  152. Bitterlaw says:

    142. Being a Eagles Fan disqualifies you from POTUS, Bitter

    It takes patience and the ability to deal with suffering that you cannot imagine. It builds an ability to deal with adversity.

  153. Robbie says:

    Robert Costa?
    @costareports

    Based on a number of calls this afternoon, WH is engaged w/ Ivey and McConnell. But everyone waiting on Pres. Trump. Whatever he decides, his circle tells me they want to be ready to make moves re: AL SEN race…

  154. Jonesy says:

    Bay, would you take a two birds with one stone deal right now?

    Sessions back to the Senate, and replace with him a tough new AG?

  155. Jonesy says:

    Just kidding Bitter. I like Wentz and Pederson, even though I do not watch the NFL

  156. Waingro says:

    #150, Jonesy, no worries. To be clear and fair, I’m not a Moore supporter whatsoever and personally hope that he drops out, but I’m trying to look at this situation from a pragmatic/pure politics perspective.

  157. Bitterlaw says:

    If Moore drops out or is pushed out, what will his supporters do? Will they be so outraged that they give the seat to a Democrat or will they look at the big picture and vote for the replacement? I do not know.

  158. Waingro says:

    “Refusing to seat a duly popularly elected Senator on the basis of allegations like these would not go over well. Moreover, it would set a horrible precedent.”

    Agreed, which is why if Trump turns on Moore, he will likely not have much of a path towards being elected, because a significant portion of AL Trump supporters will also turn on Moore.

  159. justsayin says:

    The pervy year book post by 30 year old Moore to a 16 yo girt is on drudge. Love, Roy Moore

  160. Wes says:

    Bay is wrong. This looked like a hamhanded hit job. Now it looks like something credible and in keeping with the documented actions of sexual predators.

    There will be no backlash for removing him except from the ever decreasing number of people willing to defend Roy Moore.

  161. Waingro says:

    And if Trump doesn’t denounce and Moore DOES get elected, expelling him from the Senate I believe could backfire long term for the GOP as we approach the midterms.

  162. Jonesy says:

    Robbie, I see nothing on Cernovich Twitter feed, turning on Roy Moore

  163. Bitterlaw says:

    Lesson to future Republican Presidents – Leave effective Senators in the Senate. Appoint somebody else.

  164. NYCmike says:

    If Moore drops out, I believe they would vote for a Republican, but not Strange.

    If he is pushed out, I believe they would stay home like #NeverTrumpers did in 2016.

  165. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 13, 2017 at 5:13 pm
    Robbie, I see nothing on Cernovich Twitter feed, turning on Roy Moore

    – He deleted it.

  166. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    What is the evidence making you believe it is more credible?

    Just the fact that it is another person?

  167. Jonesy says:

    Wes, in you mind what is the best route at this point.

    Moore will sue to stay on the ballot. So who can be a write in and win?

  168. NYCmike says:

    “– He deleted it.”

    -The one tweet someone would want to see, and it was deleted…….that smells like WAPO.

  169. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 13, 2017 at 5:14 pm
    Lesson to future Republican Presidents – Leave effective Senators in the Senate. Appoint somebody else.

    – A-freaking-men. Look at the needless time and money spent on those special elections. There were plenty of people who could have done these jobs without opening up races.

  170. Jonesy says:

    165. Convenient Robbie.

    164. Mike, how Ironic that would be. Bad karma for the never trumpers of 2016

  171. Waingro says:

    #168: The deleted tweet Robbie is referring to:

    https://twitter.com/UrbanAchievr/status/930173873395585025

  172. Jonesy says:

    169. Robbie they were already vetted Congressman and Senators. He needed quick confirmations against a never trump GOP Senate

  173. Trump says:

    Senate has effective senators?

    Since when?

  174. Redmen4ever says:

    The following is from WND. Notice that Steve Bannon hedged his statement, yesterday, on Moore.

    Bannon has said that until there is more evidence, he’s standing with Moore.
    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/11/new-accuser-claims-roy-moore-sexually-assaulted-her/#cxFyulgjmJibv6Db.99

    BTW Trump should say he both believes that the women are sincere and that Moore deserves due process. The people of the country should have some confidence that justice will be done, if not by a court in Alabama, then by the Senate.

  175. NYCmike says:

    Just to remind some on this board where I am coming from:

    Tawanna Brawley seemed credible at the beginning, for a good while.

    These accusations MUST be carried into LEGAL PROCEEDINGS against Moore, otherwise they stink.

  176. Jonesy says:

    He does not ask for moore to step down

  177. Trump says:

    I see Al Franken, Bob Menendez, Susan Collins, and the like in the senate.

    Who are these effective senators that you refer to?

  178. Proud Obamacon says:

    “To a sweeter more beautiful girl, I could not say Merry Christmas. Love Roy More, DA”

    Anyone else ready to throw up?

    Waiting for LisaB to say this is not “typical” child molestor behavior.

  179. NYCmike says:

    What ever happened to the charge against Ted Cruz? Wasn’t he alleged to have done something during the primary?

  180. BayernFan says:

    Well if Wes is right, then for the past 40 years Moore has been the worst recidivist sex predator ever.

    Yeah we (and trump) can play the Swamp games for their own benefit if they want….plugging in who they want where they want…..denying the will of the citizens or even refusing to allow them to vote…..

    that has political risks too. Especially if Moore is ahead in the polling or wins outright.

    The Swamp doesn’t get to pick who a state’s Senators are. The people of that State do.

  181. Jonesy says:

    Interesting. Democrat Gene Green (D-Tx) is retiring.

    hmm….

  182. Redmen4ever says:

    NYCmike, I think the papers released by Trump showed Ted Cruz’ father actually did assassinate JFK.

  183. Todd McCain says:

    Well, they need tax reform done by Dec 7!

    Do it!!!!!!!

  184. Jonesy says:

    181. Agree Bay, but is assumed Moore really tanks in polling

  185. NYCmike says:

    Here is the best scenario:

    Moore wins, gets seated, and then changes his party registration back to Democrat, because his feelings are hurt…..but still votes for ALL of the conservative-oriented legislation coming out of the Republican Congress.

    🙂 HHR is happy!

  186. Trump says:

    Moore should stay in the race, and the DA should bring charges against him.

    Fun all around.

  187. Jonesy says:

    What scares me, is that i could set up a bogus account at Twitter or Facebook, and make allegations against any GOP Senator I wanted, and a Reporter/Felon at WaPo could pick it up and get a story with no hard evidence

  188. Jonesy says:

    Mike. LOL. Could you imagine Moore doing a Jumping Jim Jeffords, and knocking the GopE out of Senate Control. Not caucus with anyone.

    Just kidding all

  189. Wes says:

    That Moore has a second allegation against him is part of it, Mike.

    Recidivism is a hallmark of sexual predators.

    This one though has physical, if circumstantial, evidence in Moore’s signing her yearbook “Love Roy Moore.”

    That’s a red flag.

    We now have two allegations against Moore. It’s less likely Moore is being dishonest than that two accusers are.

    As such, I have to now disavow him.

    This will likely only get worse now that the floodgates are open.

  190. Paul says:

    At least she was 16 which means she was legal.

  191. Wes says:

    BayernFan can’t make a credible argument now for Moore, so he has to attack the so-called “swamp.”

    Hey, Bay, I defended Moore every step of the way till today. I don’t find it worth my time anymore.

    He needs to find a hobby because he’s not going to be a Senator at this rate.

    You’re just asshurt because the national GOP doesn’t want Roy Moore to be the next Christine O’Donnell.

  192. Wes says:

    Jonesy, I think Ivey needs to reschedule the election so Sessions can return to the Senate.

    This has been a FUBAR from the word go.

  193. BayernFan says:

    Recidivism. Sure Wes. Nothing in the last 40 years. Spot on as usual. /sarc

  194. Wes says:

    Err, it’s less likely Moore is being honest in 190. I was typing too fast and accidentally conflated words.

  195. NYCmike says:

    “Mike. LOL. Could you imagine Moore doing a Jumping Jim Jeffords, and knocking the GopE out of Senate Control. Not caucus with anyone.”

    -I would NOT want that.

    No matter how bad GOP is, they are better than the Donkeys.

  196. Jonesy says:

    Wes, you are not afraid who will be next? Knowing the Gop will roll over? I agree with you on Moore, but what happens when they nail Rick Scott?

  197. Jonesy says:

    196. Of Course, was kiddng

  198. Waingro says:

    My ideal scenario is Sessions goes back to the Senate and is replaced in AG position by Trey Gowdy.

    Of course, I bet the soon-to-be-unemployed Christie Cremes is already speed dialing Trump though about this potential job opening.

  199. Wes says:

    So, Bay, how’d Senator Giffords work out for you again?

    How about O’Donnell’s coming within single digits of Chris Coons?

  200. Robbie says:

    Let’s not forget the reason we’re fighting this stupid special election is Kay Ivey changed the date of the election from next year to this December. Her decision was dumb at the time and worse now. I’m not convinced she will postpone the election. There’s a Benny Hill quality to this rodeo we’re watching.

  201. BayernFan says:

    Wes, I’m for the citizens of a State having the right, as per the US Constitution, to pass judgment on Senate candidates. I’m not comfortable with all these machinations due to a Gloria Allred client.

    If the Swamp denies the people that right, it faces political risks as well.

  202. Jonesy says:

    But a deal has to be made for fast confirmation on Session’s replacement. McConnell has to be tough on that with schumer

  203. Jonesy says:

    202. Do I hear an echo?

  204. Jonesy says:

    Wain, Gowdy is all bark, no bite. Triggers another special too.

    I like Cruz, Abbott would pick a good replacement

  205. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    At best, Moore is a total creep; at worse a sexual predator. The Alabama voters did not know this during the primary.

    The Alabama governor should delay the election, and request Moore withdraw — Trump should publicly support this move. Sessions needs to run, as a write in if necessary.

  206. Phil says:

    What’s all the discussion about the senate not seating Moore?

    Pretty academic. Moore isn’t winning the election.

    The governor needs to get off her rear. No blue state Democratic governor would hesitate at fixing a problem like this. That Republicans control every single lever of power in Alabama for heaven’s sake.

    You know, it really isn’t a fair fight. One party plays to win. The other party is afraid of its own shadow.

  207. Jonesy says:

    207.Yes

    208. And Yes

  208. Waingro says:

    “Wain, Gowdy is all bark, no bite.”

    Disagree, but more so not because of his track record as a Congressman, but his career as a prosecutor at both the state and federal levels.

    If given the executive tools of the AG position at his disposal (which he does not have in Congress), I am extremely confident he would make great use of them.

    “I like Cruz, Abbott would pick a good replacement.”

    Cruz would never take the position. Abbott, I agree, would be solid. I also think Rudy could be a good, veteran fill-in if Trump wanted to turn back to him.

  209. Wes says:

    Hey, Bay, maybe you didn’t notice, but the Constitution says the Senate makes its own rules. Those rules include the eligibility of Members to serve once elected.

    You really should brush up on Article 1 of the Constitution sometime.

  210. Jonesy says:

    Phil and SD, I am feeling better that Trump is involved now.

    The only guy that can get Moore and Ivey to do the right thing

  211. Jonesy says:

    Wain, Gowdy got spanked by Hillary in those hearings, but agree he is a good prosecutor on paper

  212. Waingro says:

    Drip…drip…

    Jamie Dupree?Verified account @jamiedupree

    Sen Richard Shelby R-AL on Roy Moore: “I think he ought to seriously think about dropping out”

  213. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes
    Why did Mrs. Nelson go to Gloria Allred? Is that a red flag to you?

  214. Phil says:

    Damn, Senator Shelby.

    Ya think?

  215. Phil says:

    Jeff Flake:

    ‘I’d vote for a Democrat rather than Moore’

    Leave it to Flake. Can this guy just go away?

  216. Paul says:

    Don’t let Gloria Allred ruin Roy’s chances. He can still win.

  217. Phil says:

    Actually, Senator Flake, I would just as soon you disappear down a rathole with Moore.

  218. Robbie says:

    Why have Ted Cruz and Rand Paul not said anything about Moore?

  219. Jonesy says:

    218. Flake already voted for Hillary. who cares?

  220. Waingro says:

    Jake Tapper?Verified account @jaketapper
    30s31 seconds ago

    Sen. Todd Young, R-IN: “After giving Roy Moore ample time to unequivocally deny the disturbing allegations against him, those allegations remain far more persuasive than the denials. Roy Moore should immediately drop out of the race…” 1/2

  221. janz says:

    It seems a lot can happen in a few hours. Just heard on the news 2nd woman is making charges against Moore, totaling 5 altogether This kind of piling on makes it more difficult for Moore to navigate this election and be elected.

    Legally speaking, though, should Moore win the election, and the Senate then dispells him from taking a seat, does that leave it up to the state’s governor to at least temporily fill that Senate seat?

  222. Jonesy says:

    216. Sheeple. $$$$$$$$$$

  223. Jonesy says:

    Janz, GopE is worried Moore becomes the Mark Foley of 2018

  224. Jonesy says:

    I respect Todd Young. what do you think Bay?

  225. Waingro says:

    Frank Thorp V?Verified account @frankthorp
    2h2 hours ago

    JUST IN: @JohnCornyn pulls his endorsement of Roy Moore.

  226. Waingro says:

    Ann Coulter?Verified account @AnnCoulter

    .@realDonaldTrump should strike a deal with @SenMajLdr & Roy Moore to replace Moore with AL Rep. Mo Brooks, rock-solid conservative.

  227. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    November 13, 2017 at 6:12 pm
    Ann Coulter?Verified account @AnnCoulter
    .@realDonaldTrump should strike a deal with @SenMajLdr & Roy Moore to replace Moore with AL Rep. Mo Brooks, rock-solid conservative.

    – Neither Brooks nor Strange would be eligible to appear on the ballot because of sore loser laws in the state.

  228. Jonesy says:

    For Brooks, has to be a deal were Moore endorses him, otherwise cannot win

  229. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    213. “Phil and SD, I am feeling better that Trump is involved now. The only guy that can get Moore and Ivey to do the right thing.”

    Agree. There is nothing fair about the situation; this was clearly last minute politics. But Moore is vulnerable; it is sad the Republicans did not know about this before the primary. If the Republicans don’t push him out, Moore will become a campaign issue in 2018. The laws gives the Alabama governor the power to move the election date, and she should exercise that power

  230. Jonesy says:

    Anderholdt? Roby is too moderate

  231. Jonesy says:

    Still think this awful on a 40 year charge, SD. It will happen a lot more in 2018.

    MSM is unleashed

  232. Waingro says:

    Interesting.

    Ari Fleischer?Verified account @AriFleischer

    The ideal political solution:

    1) Moore drops out.
    2) AL GOP Sen Richard Shelby resigns and announces he will be write-in candidate.
    3) Shelby wins back the Senate seat.
    4) AL GOP Gov. appoints a GOP replacement for Shelby.

  233. Diamond Jim says:

    Is this a blog or a Twitter feed?

  234. Robbie says:

    – This is so embarrassing.

    Jonathan Swan?
    @jonathanvswan

    Cruz and Paul are the only senators still endorsing Roy Moore

    https://www.axios.com/cruz-and-paul-are-the-only-senators-who-still-endorse-roy-moore-2509199957.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic

  235. Diamond Jim says:

    The dead horses have not only been beaten, they’ve been atomized.

  236. Paul says:

    Beverly Young Nelson likes Modern Family and HGTV on her facebook page. Clearly she is a secret democratic activist:)

  237. NYCmike says:

    ALL of these accusers must file appropriate legal charges as well……Moore should NOT get away with this if he did these things.

  238. Redmen4ever says:

    The theory of the crime has changed. Before it was child molester. Dating legal age girls doesn’t jive with the profile, no matter the optics of the age difference. Now it is forcible rape. Now the dating is corroborative.

    I am not a lawyer, but the elements are now in place for probable cause.

    The Governor should, upon a withdrawal by Moore, re-schedule the election (as is her power to do) so it is enough days in the future for the Republican state committee to name a replacement candidate.

  239. Waingro says:

    Cruz now takes back his endorsement of Moore.

    https://twitter.com/KilloughCNN/status/930222979283410944

  240. Phil says:

    Just sort it out Alabama Republicans. You control all the levers of power. Pretend you are Democrats and play some hard ball.

  241. Redmen4ever says:

    Correct NYCmike. And it’s not the girl’s choice. The DA should empanel a grand jury and subpoena her to determine if there’s probable cause of forcible rape. Probable cause is a relatively low level of proof.

  242. Robbie says:

    Earlier tonight, Roy Moore claimed he doesn’t know the woman who accused him today.

    That means he’s going to suggest his signature in her yearbook is a forgery.

  243. Robbie says:

    Rand Paul is now the only Republican Senator who still endorses Roy Moore.

  244. Phil says:

    Ok, idiot Moore. You’ve had your Party money cut off, lost all your senate endorsements and President Trump is on line one.

    Time to get out – you ain’t winning. All you have left is the endorsement from Senator Akin.

  245. Hugh says:

    Phil has it right. It just took to long to see the writing on the wall. Governor postpones election and we win it like the dems do. My argument all along has been about winning and losing. Stakes are too high for the rest of it.

  246. Phil says:

    That’s unlucky that someone forged Roy’s name in the year book.

    ……almost makes it look like he really did know her.

  247. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #247
    Three people quoted in this article. Nothing untoward from them other than he walked the Mall and would occasionally stare at waitresses.
    The newspaper uses the word “predatory” in its headline. Please show us anything even close to predatory that was written. This is why the MSM has lost its credibility.

  248. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 13, 2017 at 7:18 pm
    #247
    Three people quoted in this article. Nothing untoward from them other than he walked the Mall and would occasionally stare at waitresses.
    The newspaper uses the word “predatory” in its headline. Please show us anything even close to predatory that was written. This is why the MSM has lost its credibility.

    – Please tell me why you’re still supporting Moore?

  249. Phil says:

    Sheeple may be right but at this point what difference does it make?

  250. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Why did Nelson go to Gloria Allred when she could have said her piece through a local Alabama lawyer? Jonesy says for the money. I agree.
    Mrs. Nelson’s story,IMHO, will be forever tainted by her Allred connection.

  251. Robbie says:

    Politics is about winning elections. It’s not about using a campaign to debate whether a candidate sexually abused teenagers.

  252. NYCmike says:

    “– Please tell me why you’re still supporting Moore?”

    -I’ll answer for myself:

    Probably because, since these are all allegations, that it is a slippery slope to every other candidate having hometown girls saying these things about you.

    Moore looks like the kind of guy who used his position to benefit himself, not doubting that……BUT the fact that he has been married for over 30 years, and ZERO WOMEN have come forth making claims about that time-frame tells me that he has been a man of his word, at least to the woman he married. Most men, like Weiner, Bubba Clinton, ANY Kennedy, etc usually have issues over the course of their whole life.

  253. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #253
    NYCmike in #257 is spot-on.
    The precedent this would set would be terrible and stand the rule of law on its head where accusations become the determinant.You,I or Santa Claus could be destroyed under this scenario.
    If the accusations against Moore turn-out to be untrue or exaggerated, where would he go to get his good name back?
    By the way, I was pulling for Mo Brooks in the Alabama GOP primary.

    Robbie–this whole thing has the feel of orchestration especially with Allred now in the picture.

  254. Tina says:

    Howdy gang, these accusations today are very serious. The yearbook entry is not a forgery.

    I will dontinue to monitor, but right now I am refovering from an unexpectant eye surgery, so I will not be back later this week.

  255. lisab says:

    RESIST-themed hotel planned for DC…
    ———————————————–

    instead of chocolates on the pillow there will be marijuana brownies

  256. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Tina
    Recover quickly! Your wisdom is desperately needed on HHR.

  257. lisab says:

    RESIST-themed hotel planned for DC…
    ———————————————–

    instead of the “john hancock room” or the “amber room”

    they will have the “welfare room” and the “food stamps room”

  258. janz says:

    As of this last woman coming into the “me too” group, with an even worse allegation, I think Roy Moore’s Senate bid viability has become remote, if not nil.

    However, I’m still highly skeptible of the genuineness of these claims, as well as the reasons behind them being nothing more than mining useful garbage to sink an opposing party’s candidate. If there was any moral value to them Moore’s depravity would have been exposed sooner, certainly during the R primaries, rather than a perfectly-timed last minute before the GE.

    Politics is disgusting! I also find all the Rs jumping ship is unattractive as well. oh, and Gloria Allred’s exploitive face in the matter makes it even more gross!

  259. lisab says:

    RESIST-themed hotel planned for DC…
    ———————————————–
    the mini-bar will be stocked full of little bottles of colt 45 and olde english 800

  260. lisab says:

    RESIST-themed hotel planned for DC…
    ———————————————–

    instead of gideon’s bible they will have mao’s little red book

  261. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie and Tina
    My pet is an actor so,on set, I sign autographs,mostly to children, in his name. I always say something “sweet” along with signing off with Love, Fondly or Forever and his name.
    The yearbook notation by Moore was made 40 years ago. It is ridiculous for him or anyone to remember for whom it was done.
    Years from now, should I worry about being busted for saying something nice to a little girl(on behalf of my dog.)?
    I

  262. Wes says:

    Till today, I stood by Moore. I discounted the allegations. I backed him up. I regarded the accusations as specious.

    There is NO articulate opinion on Roy Moore’s side now. He loses the election, or the Senate removes him if he should win.

    It’s over. BayernFan can live in his fantasy world where Moore is not fatally compromised because of these allegations, but ghe fact is that Roy Moore has gone in four days from unliked and unlikable gadfly to possible sexual predator.

    He can’t win at this point. He’s another Todd Akin or Christine O’Donnell.

    Move along, Roy.

    The party’s over.

  263. janz says:

    Thoughts are with you Tina for a quick recovery.

  264. lisab says:

    RESIST-themed hotel planned for DC…
    ———————————————–
    instead of a giftshop they will have a bill clinton cigar shop

  265. janz says:

    If the AL election can still be postponed, rescheduled for a later date, that would probably be the best course to take for the Rs.

  266. lisab says:

    i would suggest moore take a polygraph test if he wants to stay in

    and make the suggestion the accusers should too

  267. Wes says:

    Sheeple, Roy Moore signed a 16-year-old girl’s yearbook “Love Roy Moore.”

    That would mean nothing if Moore were a high school contemporary of the girl. He was in his thirties though. At best it gives some credence to her very serious allegation of attempted rapr. At worst it fatally compromises Moore’s credibility.

    Once a candidate loses credibility, he or she is no longer viable.

    Look at Todd Akin, Christine O’Donnell, Joe Miller, and Dick Mourdock.

    All were or became noncredible candidates. All lost.

    Roy Moore is no longer credible and has lost his ability to win as a Republican in Alabama.

    He no longer has any support.

    Sadly it’s time yo cut him off and move on.

  268. janz says:

    ….But, whatever happens, the Rs chances to retain this Senate seat have been damaged.

  269. Wes says:

    Janz, I think the best course of action at this point is to postpone the election so Jeff Sessions can seek the seat again. Even Ann Coulter has now called for Moore to step doen.

    That should be the clarion call that his candidacy is now officially doomed.

  270. Bitterlaw says:

    Good luck, Tina. I hope you recover quickly.

  271. Phil says:

    Get the guy to step down and postpone the election. If the election is postponed so that it is over 76 days, Moore’s name can be removed from the ballot yes or no?

  272. Wes says:

    Sheeple, Gloria Allred is an ambulance chaser. She jumped on a high-profile case. Her appearance does raise a red flag–though not so much as the fact that Moore signed an accuser’s yearbook “Love Roy Moore.”

  273. Wes says:

    Yes, Phil.

    Shelby and Sessions need to meet with Ivey and hammer the idea of postponement into her head.

  274. Cash Cow TM says:

    “You put your right foot in
    you put your right foot out…”

    Moore needs to didi mao.

  275. Phil says:

    Absolutely, Wes.

    Also, Trump needs to get on the phone and tell Moore to withdraw. Why would Trump not do so? He has every incentive. He needs the tax reform bill to pass. It is tough sledding anyway. Doug Jones is a no and one more vote lost. Trump and those around him knows he needs that bill. Trump has the most to lose here. Again Jones is a no.

  276. Jonesy says:

    259. Good luck tina

  277. Jonesy says:

    Todays Moore accuser did not even vote in 2016. Some trump supporter

  278. Phil says:

    I know, Jonesy but the game is up.

  279. Robbie says:

    Why am I not surprised NYCmike’s guy Mo Brooks would say this. In other words, a sex predator is better than a Democrat. Shameful.

    Simone Pathe?
    @sfpathe

    .@RepMoBrooks: “Roy Moore will vote right, that’s why i’m voting for Roy Moore.” #ALSEN

  280. lisab says:

    Jonesy,

    it is not about her credibility it is about his

    the media will not check her story out

    he can withdraw, pass an fbi given polygraph, or lose

  281. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 13, 2017 at 7:36 pm
    #253
    NYCmike in #257 is spot-on.
    The precedent this would set would be terrible and stand the rule of law on its head where accusations become the determinant.You,I or Santa Claus could be destroyed under this scenario.
    If the accusations against Moore turn-out to be untrue or exaggerated, where would he go to get his good name back?
    By the way, I was pulling for Mo Brooks in the Alabama GOP primary.
    Robbie–this whole thing has the feel of orchestration especially with Allred now in the picture.

    – IT’S A CONSPIRACY.

  282. Phil says:

    Come on Mo. Just STFU.

    You too, Flake.

  283. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 13, 2017 at 7:27 pm
    “– Please tell me why you’re still supporting Moore?”
    -I’ll answer for myself:
    Probably because, since these are all allegations, that it is a slippery slope to every other candidate having hometown girls saying these things about you.
    Moore looks like the kind of guy who used his position to benefit himself, not doubting that……BUT the fact that he has been married for over 30 years, and ZERO WOMEN have come forth making claims about that time-frame tells me that he has been a man of his word, at least to the woman he married. Most men, like Weiner, Bubba Clinton, ANY Kennedy, etc usually have issues over the course of their whole life.

    – Pathetic. I’d have slightly more respect if you just said I prefer a Republican sex predator to a Democrat.

  284. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes
    Eleven women accused The Donald of sexual impropriety after the Access Hollywood audio.Most did through Allred.
    Did you believe all or any of them? Did you politically disown Trump?

  285. Robbie says:

    My guess. Mo Brooks is the tell. Trump will go where the conservative base takes him. And right now, the conservative base is sticking with good ole Roy.

    I would be surprised if Trump calls on Moore to quit. I would be shocked if Ivey postpones the election.

    The most likely outcome is some halfbaked write-in campaign is launched or nothing is done at all.

  286. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 13, 2017 at 8:23 pm
    Wes
    Eleven women accused The Donald of sexual impropriety after the Access Hollywood audio.Most did through Allred.
    Did you believe all or any of them? Did you politically disown Trump?

    – I did and repeatedly called on Trump to quit the race.

  287. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #289- Robbie
    Do you still idolize the Bush Family after woman #6 pronounced Bush41 a serial groper today?
    The women all seem to be credible.
    Let’s see if you are consistent with your denunciations.

  288. Wes says:

    I never supported Trump at all, Sheeple. Those women didn’t have creepy notes from Trump scrawled in their yearbooks.

    Look, I was with Moore on this for the first few days. Now I’m no longer with him.

    I don’t like the precedent either, but Roy Moore has ceased to be the hill to die on.

  289. Bitterlaw says:

    There is no reason to type this other than to point out why some people wait to report accusations or never report.

    When I was 16, I worked in a church rectory. The priests lived upstairs. One night, while waiting to get a ride home from my parents, one of the priests put his hands on my belt and tried to put his hand down my pants. I pushed him away and told him to get the F away. I said that if he touched me again, he could explain to the police why an honor student broke his news.

    He never touched me again and I worked there another year without incident.. I saw no reason to tell anybody at the time but my wife and brother learned about years later. I never heard of any other incidents but there likely were. 19 years later, he was arrested in Montreal for soliciting underage teen prostutitutes (male). He died a few years later from Parkinson’s disease.

    In hindsight, I should have reported him to end the risk to others. Had he sought any position higher in the church, maybe I would have,

    I never repressed this. I just saw no benefit to reporting something that I put a stop to immediately. I am only telling this story here because there have been comments along the lines that ” these accusations are fake because they waited so long.” Maybe they are fake. Maybe not. Time is sometimes the least important consideration in assessing credibility.

  290. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #292
    Is Robbie now Wes?

  291. Wes says:

    Robbie was always vehemently opposed to Moore because of this, Sheeple. I changed my mind after the second allegatiom. Moore is not worth it.

  292. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 13, 2017 at 8:26 pm
    #289- Robbie
    Do you still idolize the Bush Family after woman #6 pronounced Bush41 a serial groper today?
    The women all seem to be credible.
    Let’s see if you are consistent with your denunciations.

    – Sheeple, do you still idolize Trump who sexually assaulted at least 10 women and Moore who sexually assaulted at least two women under the legal age of consent?

  293. Jonesy says:

    Well Robbie, mo brooks was screwed by the rnc and he is getting revenge i guess. Strange was the choice of disgraced governor bentley.

    Why in the hell did the GopE go with brooks in first place

  294. Jonesy says:

    Not go with brooks

  295. Jonesy says:

    Robbie here you again. Moore maybe, but that is libel to say trump committed assault with no evidence.

  296. Robbie says:

    This tweet refers to Scott Walker. Just as I said on Friday, Moore will be a lead weight around the necks of Republicans in 2018. Walker was never asked about Moore, but the need to issue a statement. That tells you all you need to know about Moore’s toxicity.

    David M. Drucker?
    @DavidMDrucker

    See a pattern? Any Republican on a competitive ballot in 2018 is dumping Moore, whether asked to or not. #ALSEN =>

  297. BayernFan says:

    227…..re Young….I think the word has been given that Moore needs to be forced to quit, and Young is falling in line.

  298. Wes says:

    McConnell went with Strange because Strange was the sitting Senator. He thought by nuking Brooks, Strange could beat Moore. Unfortunately while Moore’s possibly salacious behavior was unknown Alabamans knew Bentley had appointed Strange to escape prosecution.

    That made all the difference.

  299. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 13, 2017 at 8:30 pm
    Robbie here you again. Moore maybe, but that is libel to say trump committed assault with no evidence.

    – I believed the stories of the woman who accused Trump just as I believed the stories of the women who have accused Moore.

  300. Jonesy says:

    293. Sheep , wes has been solid the whole way, but i agree that robbie is a hypocrite. Bush 1 groped a 16 year old in 2003. Was 79 back then

  301. Jonesy says:

    305. But you do not believe GHW Bush committed assault?

    You a disgrace Robbie

  302. Wes says:

    GHWB issued a statement admitting to groping the women. He obviously did it.

  303. Jonesy says:

    304. Right wes.

  304. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 13, 2017 at 8:33 pm
    293. Sheep , wes has been solid the whole way, but i agree that robbie is a hypocrite. Bush 1 groped a 16 year old in 2003. Was 79 back then

    – Let’s assume GHWB groped a woman in 2003 (aka grabbed her butt). Would you acknowledge that patting a girl on the butt is somewhat different than forcing a 14 year old girl to feel your genitals or grabbing a 16 year old girl by the neck and attempting to force her head in your crotch?

  305. Phil says:

    I don’t think anyone cares one way or the other about Bush the elder as a groper. He is an old man. If Clinton can get by with all he pulled throughout his career, people aren’t concerned about Bush I. You don’t see any Democrats piling on and they won’t. Nothing to gain and they know it.

  306. Jonesy says:

    Silver lining is that the bush family is finished in electoral politics.

    Maybe they can stop preaching morality on the dinner circuit

  307. BayernFan says:

    Would Moore have been better off had he said something like “I was a cad 40 years ago….but the I found Jesus and the love of a good woman.”

  308. Phil says:

    We can hope, Jonesy.

  309. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 13, 2017 at 8:37 pm
    Silver lining is that the bush family is finished in electoral politics.
    Maybe they can stop preaching morality on the dinner circuit

    – Meanwhile George P Bush just filed for re-election for statewide office in Texas and will win in a landslide in 2018.

  310. BayernFan says:

    and closed with “ROLL TIDE!!”

  311. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 13, 2017 at 8:38 pm
    We can hope, Jonesy.

    – Since 1972, only three Republicans have gotten more than 50% of the national vote. Two of them were Bushes.

  312. Jonesy says:

    310. As phil said robbie, nobody cares about the optics. He groped a 16 year old girl at 79

  313. Jonesy says:

    317. Read my lips was a one term hack

  314. Phil says:

    Probably, Robbie, but W and his dad are finally done. Not because of groping or anything such as that – just their time is over and everyone knows it including them.

    Just wish Hillary had the same realization.

  315. Jonesy says:

    Where is Jeb today? I see nothing

  316. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie
    Why are you making excuses for the Bush family? Robbery is not murder, but its still a crime!
    Do you now condemn the Bush Family?

  317. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 13, 2017 at 8:41 pm
    Robbie
    Why are you making excuses for the Bush family? Robbery is not murder, but its still a crime!
    Do you now condemn the Bush Family?

    – Got it. I’m sure Moore is glad to know he still has your support.

  318. Jonesy says:

    Robbie Idol, George Will wants Doug Jones to win

  319. Robbie says:

    Ben Carson has backed away from his support of Roy Moore.

  320. Jonesy says:

    Sheeple, robbie will never take blame.

    Bushies are toast. Vote out that punk land commish in Tx, Phil

  321. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #323
    Answer the question in #322. Roy Moore’s situation is irrelevant to my question.
    Do you now condemn the Bush family because Bush41 is an admitted serial groper? YES or NO?

  322. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 13, 2017 at 8:45 pm
    Sheeple, robbie will never take blame.
    Bushies are toast. Vote out that punk land commish in Tx, Phil

    – In other words, elect a Democrat? Isn’t that what you just bashed George Will for suggesting?

  323. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 13, 2017 at 8:46 pm
    #323
    Answer the question in #322. Roy Moore’s situation is irrelevant to my question.
    Do you now condemn the Bush family because Bush41 is an admitted serial groper? YES or NO?

    – No.

  324. Trump says:

    Cretin Robbie, you believe a lot of cra*.

    That’s who you are.

  325. Trump says:

    Bush Sr is a proven sexual predator.

    And the son is a coke-head addict.

  326. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #329
    HYPOCRITE!!!

    Your credibility on HHR, which has been at a low point for awhile, is now gone forever!!!!!!!!!!!

  327. Jonesy says:

    I say that Bush Sr. has shown a pattern of sexual assault with many women. I would not be shocked if he committed rape at some point in his life.

    I also think if WaPo researched mccain in the late 70’s, they would find dirt also

  328. Jonesy says:

    Sheeple , The Bush Walking Dead. Do not bother

  329. Phil says:

    The Washington Post could find dirt on any of a number of politicians. They just aren’t interested in any dirt on Democrats. I don’t think anyone on this forum, including Robbie would dispute that.

  330. Phil says:

    As far as George Will, he lost it several years ago. Lived in Washington a long time and he finally became one of them.

  331. Jonesy says:

    Agree phil. They tried to sweep lewinsky under the rug, until Drudge nailed it.

  332. Jonesy says:

    Couple of podesta indictments mixed with in with the groper, and finally the Bush and Clinton’s are finished. Good riddance

  333. janz says:

    #295 Bitter, I think you handled yourself well, in regards to the anecdotal story you relayed. Personally, though, I don’t think it’s that uncommon during one’s youth to encounter some kind of harassment, bullying, unwanted sexual advance and so on. Life, at all stages, is often full of potholes, embarrassing moments, annoying even threatening people or circumstances.

    Most, however, get through them, learn and move on from them. Some harbor and stuff ill feelings. But, however these negative events are processed, getting in front of a camera, later in life, with Gloria Allred just doesn’t cut it for me, as a genuine act meant to unburden yourself or deliver delayed justice. In fact, it seems more like this woman is gleaning secondary benefits, along with 15 minutes of camera fame from whatever experience she had with Roy Moore. Also, if indeed her interaction with Moore had been as repugnant as currently revealed, justice should have been delivered much earlier, with less fanfare, as he was climbing the political ladder. Now, she simply earns “doubters,” who will view her story more as a political scam than an unwanted tryst.

  334. Jonesy says:

    Rough on Bush’s tonight, did vote for them 4 times, but i hate hypocrites

  335. Jonesy says:

    Janz, and she lied about voting for Trump

  336. lisab says:

    Jonesy,

    the incident in the car sounds very plausible

    it may not be true or maybe it is true except about moore being involved

    but unlike the first accuser’s account it sounds like many attacks

  337. Bitterlaw says:

    Janz- I don’t think most people want fame love this. I can only speak for myself. I dealt with my incident my way.

    lisab to tell me how I feel and everything I did wrong in 3…2…2…

  338. Truther says:

    The signature is not Roy’s.

    The dates are different.

  339. Bitterlaw says:

    That was the greatest 2 yard run for a touchdown by a white running back that I have ever seen in the National Football League.

    -Jon Gruden

  340. Bitterlaw says:

    Jay Cutler is such a p*ssy that I don’t know why President Trump has not grabbed him.

    – Jon Gruden

  341. Robbie says:

    Why am I not surprised the sacks of crap in the House Freedom Caucus aren’t unendorsing Roy Moore?

    David M. Drucker?
    Verified account

    @DavidMDrucker
    @DavidMDrucker

    New from @alweaver22: @RepMarkMeadows, Rep Jim Jordan, not withdrawing support for @MooreSenate. “You can’t unring a bill.”

  342. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 13, 2017 at 8:54 pm
    #329
    HYPOCRITE!!!
    Your credibility on HHR, which has been at a low point for awhile, is now gone forever!!!!!!!!!!!

    – Says the guy who still supports good ole Roy.

  343. Proud Obamacon says:

    Janz please. 15 minutes of fame? You go on TV and describe how you you were violated and you call that fame?

    Something’s wrong with you, Janz

  344. NYCmike says:

    Just for a clearer look:

    Democrats, regarding a sitting Senator charged with wrongdoing while in office, all day Sunday would NOT say they would kick him out of Senate.

    Republicans, regarding a candidate for office who has been a public face for over 25 years or more, and is just now being accused of sexual assault, are already saying they would NOT seat him even if elected even though there are still no legal charges against him.

  345. Paul says:

    Roy is innocent. He just has a wide stance.

  346. Waingro says:

    “Hannity: “If these allegations are true, judge Moore needs to step aside””

    https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/930259365147357184

  347. Proud Obamacon says:

    Has anyone checked on George Soros whereabouts in the 1970s? I hear he hung out in Alabama and was forging signatures!

  348. Waingro says:

    Trump has clearly sent out the word. I predict Moore will drop out by tomorrow.

  349. NYCmike says:

    “Sacks of crap” – one more reason to hope Moore stays strong and wins the race.

    Almost 40 years of marriage, and no accusations of sexual impropriety. I’m sorry, I think he should push on. If these women go ahead and pursue legal procedures, let the process play out. Hopefully, he wins the seat and the charges come out Not Guilty.

  350. justsayin says:

    In regards to Bush 41. As a paraplegic and a wheelchair
    user if I would put my arm around someone I would put my
    arm around their waist as I can’t reach their shoulder. Could this be misconstrued as something more? Bush is near death
    and pretty harmless.

  351. Proud Obamacon says:

    #356 LOL – And maybe he can sue the mall that banned him because he repeatedly tried to pick up teenage girls. Would love to see that case on Court TV!

  352. Bitterlaw says:

    351 Zzzzzzzzzz. Republicans are better people than Democrats. We try to have higher standards.

  353. Paul says:

    Several people in Gadsden recall that he was banned from the mall at some point for being creepy.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/locals-were-troubled-by-roy-moores-interactions-with-teen-girls-at-the-gadsden-mall

  354. jason says:

    Funny how none of this came up on all his previous campaigns in AL, but now all of a sudden when he runs for a national office…

    I am sure its a coincidence.

  355. NYCmike says:

    Oh man, the onslaught is here.

    I do need an answer for this question: how does the Republican Party spend $30 million and none of this is discovered?

  356. Jonesy says:

    357. Accuser was in 2003, and only 16

  357. jason says:

    Nobody has more head scratching interceptions in the NFL than Jay Cutler.

    – Jon Gruden

  358. lisab says:

    lisab to tell me how I feel and everything I did wrong
    ——————————–

    actually you are the one who puts words in other people’s mouths

    i actually believe your story about the priest. i also believe the story about the attack in the car.

    now … it may be completely made up, or it could be a true story and just not really be about Moore

    but unlike the first accuser’s account, it does not raise a bunch of red flags as a potentially fabricated story

  359. Jonesy says:

    Like I said, WaPo will find a Gop senator in a state with a dem governor next, and then smear him next.

    Daines, cassidy, toomey etc… it is coming and the GopE will never see it

  360. jason says:

    I think its a travesty that Cutler moved to Miami and denied Corey the opportunity to keep making excuses for him.

  361. Jonesy says:

    Robbie has no standing here. Defends a 79 year old perv because his name is bush

  362. Proud Obamacon says:

    “WaPo will find a Gop senator in a state with a dem governor next”

    LOL why did WaPO start with AL? If they have this power, I would think they would have started with a state with a Dem governor. Please do tell, genius !

  363. Jonesy says:

    If it is proven that he was banned from the mall, then he has to go. The mall police would have proof right?

  364. Paul says:

    Seriously, I think Republicans need better opposition research during the primaries. Sounds like they just needed to talk to folks in Gadsden a little.

    And with Trump…. I really don’t know why some of his crap wasn’t dragged up during the primary.

  365. Bitterlaw says:

    Toomey is more boring than me. Hard to believe but true.

  366. Jonesy says:

    369. Says the guy who protects rapist bill clinton

  367. Jonesy says:

    372. Toomey is a moral guy, but msm could smear him anttime they want for no reason

  368. jason says:

    I don’t believe in coincidences, and the timing of all these accusations from 40 years ago stinks to high heaven

    I don’t like Moore, I think he is a scumbag. IMO, Republicans should never have let someone with such blatant disrespect for the rule of law to run.

    But any conservative or Republican or even anyone with any sense of fairness should realize this is a very slippery slope.

    As Jonesy says above, nobody is going to be safe from this type of smear if these accusers prevail with 40 year old unsubstantiated allegations brought forth by the agenda driven MSM.

    Wobbie thinks its worth setting this type of precedent just to get rid of Moore.

    It’s not.

  369. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL Jonesy now wants to talk about Clinton…

  370. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON is VERY offended by Moore’s alleged improprieties.

    Serial groper, rapist and harasser Bill Clinton and his enabler Hillary?

    No problem.

  371. jason says:

    Proud Hypocrite will probably say Clinton was harassing, groping and raping women decades ago, who cares?

    Oh wait…

  372. Proud Obamacon says:

    #377 Care to provide any proof of your outrageous post? Of course not, didn’t think so. P

  373. MichiganGuy says:

    Waingro says:
    November 13, 2017 at 2:57 pm
    #20, heh, Robbie, clearly you and I have very similar Twitter feeds.
    —————————————————
    Surprise, Surprise. Anyone else want to come out of the closet?

  374. MichiganGuy says:

    Waingro says:
    November 13, 2017 at 9:57 pm
    Trump has clearly sent out the word. I predict Moore will drop out by tomorrow.
    —————————————————
    Award for the dumbest post of the year!

  375. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 13, 2017 at 10:02 pm
    “Sacks of crap” – one more reason to hope Moore stays strong and wins the race.
    Almost 40 years of marriage, and no accusations of sexual impropriety. I’m sorry, I think he should push on. If these women go ahead and pursue legal procedures, let the process play out. Hopefully, he wins the seat and the charges come out Not Guilty.

    – More evidence that NYCmike’s only concern about candidates is whether or not they hate McConnell and the establishment. Pedophile? Still better than a Democrat. Sexual assaulter? Still better than a Democrat.

  376. lisab says:

    Almost 40 years of marriage, and no accusations of sexual impropriety.
    —————————————

    i am not sure that matters, even if the allegations are true — which of course they may not be.

    that is, a guy tries to have sex with a girl who refuses. he uses a little force. she refuses. he stops. then later finds a woman, falls in love and gets married.

    that does not sound at all implausible.

  377. Jonesy says:

    Mall thing is real bad if true. But are we in the same bubble here as the Swamp.

    Do alabamans really want him gone? Cannot tell at this point

  378. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 13, 2017 at 10:18 pm
    Funny how none of this came up on all his previous campaigns in AL, but now all of a sudden when he runs for a national office…
    I am sure its a coincidence.

    – You’re not still rolling with the “but muh liberal media” are you?

    Whether you like the timing or not, it doesn’t change the fact these accusers have offered very credible stories. I just watched Laura Ingraham of all people say Moore’s interview with Hannity was incriminating.

    Whether you like the timing or not, history has shown people who have been abused like this often wait decades to speak. Look at all of the people who waited decades to speak about the abuse they received from Catholic priests. Look at all of the people who waited years and years to accuse Weinstein, Halperin, and Spacey.

    Victims often feel shame and fear. I wish these allegations had been discovered sooner, but we have to deal with the reality that they have come out now.

  379. Jonesy says:

    382. So get in on record robbie. Be a man. If moore stays on, do you want him to lose to Jones?

  380. Redmen4ever says:

    Regarding GHWB: he may have become demented in his old age. But, what is called butt grabbing may also be due to his being confined to a wheel chair and being unable to lift his arms very much. After a couple incidents, his caretakers should figure this out and either explain to visitors what the butt grabbing actually is, or keep a distance between him and visitors.

    Regarding Trump’s accusers: No, they weren’t credible. Not any of them. And, besides, the choice was Trump or Hillary Clinton who was an enabler of a rapist, and who viciously attacked the women her husband raped.

    Regarding Alabama: I hope the Republicans can replace Moore on the ballot, but if the choice comes down to Moore or the Democrat, I would vote for Moore and trust the Senate to investigate the matter and do what is appropriate.

  381. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 13, 2017 at 10:25 pm
    Robbie has no standing here. Defends a 79 year old perv because his name is bush

    – Jonesy has not standing here. Defends a perv because his name is Trump.

  382. Jonesy says:

    Robbie ignores pedophile Bush 1 , but now attacks the catholic church

  383. Jonesy says:

    388. You protect a admitted dirty old perve from a blue blood family robbie

  384. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 13, 2017 at 10:30 pm

    Wobbie thinks its worth setting this type of precedent just to get rid of Moore.
    It’s not.

    – It’s not as if someone just made something up and put it out there. These woman all delivered credible and emotional stories. On top of that, none of them knew each other, but their stories were all similar. That suggests a pattern of conduct.

  385. lisab says:

    Jonesy,

    he could simply submit to a polygraph and answer.

    if he passes the dems look like crap

    now, you may think that would be a terrible precedent, but …

    a.) the dems do not want their candidates answering any questions on a polygraph

    b.) it is probably the only way moore can survive at this point

    if he wants to stay in, this is what i would advise, and i would probably insist, because i would not want to work for him if he did not pass the test

  386. Jonesy says:

    Good points lisa.

  387. lisab says:

    But, what is called butt grabbing may also be due to his being confined to a wheel chair and being unable to lift his arms very much.
    ——————————–

    that is true, but ghwb also jokes about it so he knows he is doing it … it is not like he is unaware … he is aware

  388. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 13, 2017 at 10:55 pm
    382. So get in on record robbie. Be a man. If moore stays on, do you want him to lose to Jones?

    – If my only two options were Moore and Jones and I wasn’t allowed to write in a choice or simply not vote, I’d probably vote for Jones. I believe it’s more important to think about the long term health of the Republican Party. Asking every Republican in 2018 to answer questions about Moore would be a disaster.

  389. Truther says:

    November 13, 2017 at 10:44 pm
    Waingro says:
    November 13, 2017 at 2:57 pm
    #20, heh, Robbie, clearly you and I have very similar Twitter feeds.
    —————————————————
    Surprise, Surprise. Anyone else want to come out of the closet?

    Do you have matching bush dolls?

  390. jason says:

    Remember, when Clinton was President, the “feminists” and Wobbies MSM friends said these were “passes”.

    This is from the Atlantic, which is calling for some reckoning for Bill Clinton, so the “party can rise again”. But what about his enabler Hillary?

    Called “Feminists and the Clinton Question,” it was written in March of 1998, when Paula Jones’s harassment claim was working its way through court. It was printed seven days after Kathleen Willey’s blockbuster 60 Minutes interview with Ed Bradley. If all the various allegations were true, wrote Steinem, Bill Clinton was “a candidate for sex addiction therapy.” To her mind, the most “credible” accusations were those of Willey, whom she noted was “old enough to be Monica Lewinsky’s mother.” And then she wrote the fatal sentences that invalidated the new understanding of workplace sexual harassment as a moral and legal wrong: “Even if the allegations are true, the President is not guilty of sexual harassment. He is accused of having made a gross, dumb, and reckless pass at a supporter during a low point in her life. She pushed him away, she said, and it never happened again. In other words, President Clinton took ‘no’ for an answer.”

    Steinem said the same was true of Paula Jones. These were not crimes; they were “passes.” Broaddrick was left out by Steinem, who revealed herself as a combination John and Bobby Kennedy of the feminist movement: the fair-haired girl and the bareknuckle fixer. The widespread liberal response to the sex crime accusations against Bill Clinton found their natural consequence 20 years later in the behavior of Harvey Weinstein: Stay loudly and publicly and extravagantly on the side of signal leftist causes and you can do what you want in the privacy of your offices and hotel rooms. But the mood of the country has changed. We are in a time when old monuments are coming down and when men are losing their careers over things they did to women a long time ago.

    When more than a dozen women stepped forward and accused Leon Wieseltier of a serial and decades-long pattern of workplace sexual harassment, he said, “I will not waste this reckoning.” It was textbook Wieseltier: the insincere promise and the perfectly chosen word. The Democratic Party needs to make its own reckoning of the way it protected Bill Clinton. The party needs to come to terms with the fact that it was so enraptured by their brilliant, Big Dog president and his stunning string of progressive accomplishments that it abandoned some of its central principles. The party was on the wrong side of history and there are consequences for that. Yet expedience is not the only reason to make this public accounting. If it is possible for politics and moral behavior to coexist, then this grave wrong needs to be acknowledged. If Weinstein and Mark Halperin and Louis C.K. and all the rest can be held accountable, so can our former president and so can his party, which so many Americans so desperately need to rise again”.

  391. Waingro says:

    #381, honored.

  392. jason says:

    Jones is a flaming liberal.

    The fact Wobbie would vote for him explains a lot.

  393. lisab says:

    i am fully aware that we don’t want candidates submitting to polygraphs on a rgular basis

    but …

    too many gope hate moore anyway … so they will naturally use this as an excuse

    and the dems don’t care at all except they can will a seat and get the news off of hollywood’s scandals.

    if he passes a polygraph he could then say, “now how about the wp reporter takes a polygraph? how about the accusers and then we can talk about libel and slander …” etc.

    and just throw it in their faces

  394. lisab says:

    he could even throw it in john mccain’s face

    ok john, i was telling the truth and proved it … how about you take a polygraph and we can ask some questions about the keating 5?

  395. Truther says:

    – If my only two options were Moore and Jones and I wasn’t allowed to write in a choice or simply not vote, I’d probably vote for Jones. I believe it’s more important to think about the long term health of the Republican Party. Asking every Republican in 2018 to answer questions about Moore would be a disaster.

    I thought this poster was a conservative.

  396. jason says:

    “These woman all delivered credible and emotional stories”

    In your mind, because you so much want to believe…

    In my mind, it stinks to high heaven of dirty politics.

    I don’t find any of it credible… I wish I did, I would love to have Moore removed from running FOR LEGITIMATE reasons.

    Fake MSM BS, no.

    Now its possible that Moore is a pervert, and if there is conclusive evidence fine, but so far its all seems like an orchestrated hit job.

    We should not emulate the Democrats, where the ends always justify the means. It’s tempting to get on the bandwagon to destroy Moore, but there is a much bigger picture here and a terrible precedent.

    Sometimes things that sound good in the short term are not good in the long term.

  397. jason says:

    Let Moore win or lose the election.

    If he wins, and these allegations are proven, then he can be kicked out of the Senate.

    If he loses, the WAPO will have stolen a Senate seat, and those who doubt the power of the MSM and their useful idiots like Wobbie will have been mistaken.

    If he wins and all these turns out to be a crock, then the MSM and their useful idiots like Wobbie lose.

  398. jason says:

    I think the polygraph is only a good move for Moore if he is guilty. If he passes, he is in good shape.

    If he is innocent, he can’t afford the risk of failing it.

  399. MichiganGuy says:

    #396 I’m no fans of the Bushes. 🙂

  400. NYCmike says:

    Jason is standing tough. That is one tough A-Hole!

  401. Paul says:

    HHR is the only place I’ve heard anything about the weird Bush accusations. I think the rest of the world cares very little either way at this point.

  402. MichiganGuy says:

     IT’S A FAKE! Analyst Says Judge Roy Moore Signature Inside Gloria Allred Accuser’s Yearbook Was FORGED

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/fake-analyst-says-judge-roy-moore-signature-inside-gloria-allred-accusers-yearbook-forged/
    ————————————————-

    wow, their not even good at lying and they have had so much practice. Sad. Just sad.

  403. Tgca says:

    I think both Moore and the women should offer to take the polygraph. Considering there is no other proof or reliable way to prove these allegations or denials. There are risks of failures for both sides but it would be interesting to see if anyone declines. If they decline, then we argue you forfeit your right to ask one to blindly believe you. My gut is Alred would not allow her client to take a polygraph but who knows?

    At this point, it’s hard to believe who is telling the truth here. Yes, a 2nd accuser sows more doubt about Moore, but history is also riddled with lying women accusing men of deeds they did not commit so if neither party wants to submit to polygraph, then they should not be given the benefit of the doubt by the public.

  404. NYCmike says:

    #404 – agreed. Step by step. These things should have been unearthed before now. Too coincidental for my taste. All of it is too “emotional”. Someone is being played. If it is me, a court of law of my peers would be the best place to find out. I am willing to take that risk.

  405. jason says:

    It’s not as if someone just made something up and put it out there.”

    You really don’t think that is possible?

  406. Paul says:

    I agree with you Jason. Let Alabama decide this on their own.

  407. NYCmike says:

    Let’s hook them up! While we are at it , we can hook up Mitch and ask if Any of the information was from him, just for fun.

  408. NYCmike says:

    It’s not every day one looks up and says “Great job, A-Hole!”.

  409. NYCmike says:

    Unless it is Roy Moore, and he still has that mirror on his shoe…..

  410. lisab says:

    I think the polygraph is only a good move for Moore if he is guilty. If he passes, he is in good shape.

    If he is innocent, he can’t afford the risk of failing it.
    ————————————-

    i would normally agree it is a very bad idea

    except that i don’t think he can win now

  411. jason says:

    Jason is standing tough. That is one tough A-Hole!”

    No, I am being consistent and looking at the forest.

    Moore is just a tree.

    If the WAPO can derail someoene’s candidacy with 40 year old unsubstantiated allegations conveniently released just before an election, then nobody will be safe from this sort of thing.

    Including those jumping on the MSM bandwagon.

  412. Paul says:

    From MichiganGuy’s link, it makes a big deal that he was Deputy District Attorney in 1977 and he signed it by saying D.A.

    So, is this a smoking gun? I’m not familiar enough with this, would a deputy D.A. call himself the D.A.?

  413. lisab says:

    If the WAPO can derail someoene’s candidacy with 40 year old unsubstantiated allegations conveniently released just before an election, then nobody will be safe from this sort of thing.
    ————————–

    i think it is largely because of the hollywood scandals

    all the crap about those actors, directors and producers has really poisoned the well

  414. Paul says:

    Also regarding MichiganGuy’s link on the forgery. I do think it is possible the date and location might have been added. I think it looks like a young girl’s handwriting. She may have added that so she remembered the place and date where Moore had signed the yearbook.

  415. NYCmike says:

    “No, I am being consistent and looking at the forest.”

    -Which is why I said you are standing tough…..most other trees are falling, and they are making loud noises while doing so……

  416. lisab says:

    She may have added that so she remembered the place and date where Moore had signed the yearbook.
    ————————-

    why would you do that?

    especially since he already wrote christmas 1977

  417. Paul says:

    She may have wanted to remember the specific date and place. I really don’t know.

    It also doesn’t make sense to add it if it is a forgery.

  418. lisab says:

    it makes sense if you are trying to establish a location

    but who thinks, “he wrote christmas 1977!!! how imprecise is he?!!! 40 years from now i may need to know he wrote that on 12/22/1977!”

  419. Paul says:

    I’m curious about the DA question. If he would have written DA after his name when he was only deputy DA….

    If there are really obvious flaws in today’s case, I’d almost wonder if the latest woman worked with Bannon to cause the whole thing to implode. But I know that may be a crazy thought.

  420. Paul says:

    Others note that it is odd for a yearbook to be signed in December since they usually come out at the end of the year. But maybe she just happened to have it with her….

  421. lisab says:

    i know many people who carry around their yearbooks when they are 16

  422. Paul says:

    425: I could see a young girl added a date and place to signatures that she thought were important or famous.

  423. janz says:

    “If the WAPO can derail someoene’s candidacy with 40 year old unsubstantiated allegations conveniently released just before an election, then nobody will be safe from this sort of thing.”

    So true. It can set a precedent for endless, unsubstantiated accusations against anyone. Even if unproven, reputations can be impacted for a long time, if not indefinitely.

  424. lisab says:

    I could see a young girl added a date and place to signatures that she thought were important or famous.
    ————————-

    moore waas neither

  425. jason says:

    Paul the troll is making sh-t up… hilarious.

  426. jason says:

    Yeah, according to the troll, the thirty year old was “important” and “famous”.

  427. jason says:

    “But maybe she just happened to have it with her….”

    LOL

  428. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Anytime someone is a candidate for national office, the other party will do opposition research. If they find anything, it will be used in the most damaging way possible against the candidate.

    In Moore the Democrats hit the jackpot. He is a major league creep, and the way he hung around teenage girls makes people cringe. Arguing over who signed what in a high school yearbook is not going to matter. The guy is coming across as bizarre.

    The only option the Republicans have is to push Moore out as a candidate. Know a lot of people will whine over this as being unfair, but it happens in politics. The Republicans need to keep the seat; not protect an individual who, despite being wrongly treated, really comes across as as a major weirdo.

  429. jason says:

    Also take unfavorable polls for Moore with a grain of salt.

    People will now be embarrassed to say they will vote for him, but if they think the charges are trumped up they will vote for him anyway.

  430. jason says:

    Whether you like the timing or not, history has shown people who have been abused like this often wait decades to speak”

    LOL

    Yeah, sometimes they take decades.

    But you really think its a coincidence it happens right before an election?

    You are a clown….

  431. Paul says:

    Jason is calling me a troll when I’m seriously trying to figure out if the thing could be a forgery. I really don’t know which is why I’m throwing some of those questions out there.

    I do think part of it could be written by a different person, possibly female by the handwriting.

    And the DA part has me curious. Maybe the lawyers can help me with that question.

  432. Tgca says:

    Ok. I watched the full press conference with the accuser and Alred. At times she seemed convincing, other times she seemed manufactured to me. Her recall of such great minute detail about extreme specifics while under tremendous stress seems odd to me. It almost appears she is cool, calm, and composed during certain times immediately after being nearly raped to have rationalized it all out in the monent and that is what I find odd about a 16 yo under such stress in the moment. Maybe she is missing some items that better clarify how she recalled this but this is the part that makes me suspicious about her. She remembers the car door open, she recalls it was a cold night and him trying to pull off her blouse in Dec (was she not wearing a coat going out into the cold night?), just nearly being raped and having her bf show up minutes later she rationalizes not to say anything to him because he has a temper and she afraid what he will do, he doesn’t realize her stress under the circumstance, she is not shaking or crying? Other very fine details she recalls too just seem so odd to me for a child just nearly raped. This is perplexing to me.

  433. Paul says:

    A good looking DA may have been as famous as it got for a young girl in Gadsden 🙂

  434. lisab says:

    i had not looked at the writing before,

    but surely roy moore was trained to write using the palmer method … wouldn’t he? His “R” on his verified signature is a Palmer “R” as is the “y”

    i don’t think the yearbook uses the palmer method of writing. schools switched to zaner-blozer in the 1960’s, and it is slightly different

  435. lisab says:

    A good looking DA may have been as famous as it got for a young girl in Gadsden
    ————————

    he was neither a DA nor good looking

  436. Tgca says:

    If this came out earlier, I think I would be less suspicious but after the primary and a locked in election date less than a month with a way lefty news source and Alred as attorney makes we suspicious. If Moore did this, I fully support his ostracization but I need more proof this is not a set-up at this late date. Alred also insisting the woman came to her and that only her husband, mother, and sister are the only witnesses to her story, and Alred made very clear that the sister will in no way get involved or go public makes me more suspicious. There’s no way to prove this did not happen as she claims. But there is also no way to prove these close family folks are not colluding for some unknown reason. Both are possible to me. Maybe Sherlock or Ms. Marple can assist here.

  437. jason says:

    ason is calling me a troll when I’m seriously trying to figure out if the thing could be a forgery. I really don’t know which is why I’m throwing some of those questions out there. \”

    Don’t worry, you have always been a troll, nothing to do with this issue.

    Carry on….

  438. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    332. “329. HYPOCRITE!!! Your credibility on HHR, which has been at a low point for awhile, is now gone forever!!!!!!!!!!!”

    What credibility? Robbie is a troll. He mouths Democratic talking points, claiming to be a loyal Republican. If you accept him for what he is, it can be entertaining some times.

  439. lisab says:

    Tgca,

    i can believe parts of the story. that does not necessarily mean moore was the perp

    however, it is night and day from the other girl’s story

    a completely different m.o.

  440. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    LoL. Making excuses for this guy. He’s a grade A creep.

    I hope he does win. The 2018 ads write themselves.

    “The GOP is a Group of Paedophiles.”

    Probably turn a 50-seat swing into a 100-seat swing.

    Thanks mouthbreathers!

  441. jason says:

    Right, Tgca, the coincidence that all these women just happened to decide to come out AFTER the primary and just before the GE is something only an idiot like Wobbie can believe in.

  442. Paul says:

    lisab says: “a completely different m.o.”

    I was thinking of that too. The 1977 story is violent. The 1979 story is more gentle and cautious.

    I don’t know what to make of that.

  443. Tgca says:

    I also find it ridiculous that Alred is demanding the Senate hold hearings within in 2 weeks. Oh really? So she can showcase herself, and as if the Senate can hold hearings and get to the bottom of it by Election Day. This all seems like free publicity for Alred and friends to line their pockets in the future.

    Alred also claims if Senate will not hold hearings within 2 weeks there will be another public setting to discuss this but she does not say whether her client is willing to be cross-examined in that setting, as would be the case in a Senate hearing.

    I think Alred is latching onto this to promote herself. The Senate should ignore her request. She is the equivalent of an ambulance chaser and has no right to ask for a political solution after she claims this is not about politics. What jurisdiction does the Senate judiciary have over this? Her request is absurd. I would support her if she said my client is willing to take a polygraph so we request Moore take one too.

  444. jason says:

    Hey Pete Wilson, were you here whining about how Hillary Clinton enabled her sexual predator husband for decades?

    No?

  445. jason says:

    Alred is a bottom feeder, a despicable excuse for a human being.

  446. Tgca says:

    Lisa and Paul

    Well, maybe some will argue he became a more gentler and kinder pervert over time. Very perplexing indeed in these inconsistencies. I wanted to believe her watching her, but my gut feeling is that there’s some missing points here that just don’t feel right.

    I am not easily convinced by a woman’s tears either because I’ve seen many of women fake chit to get sympathy with others, including to cops in domesticate cases, etc. My mom was famous for playing the victim and turning on the tears so convincingly when needed. I always thought she could garner an Academy Award for her victimized performances.

    Now that may seem chauvinistic and cold but I’ll play my gay card here. Why not? If women can turn on the tears why can’t I play the gay card. 🙂

  447. janz says:

    For me the very fact the Gloria Allred is once again involved in a political scandal, right before an election, is suspect.

    In Sept 2010 Allred grandstanded an ex maid of Meg Whitman, exploiting her case, making Whitman appear like a heartless anti-Mexican woman. Whitman’s numbers immediately dropped, and she lost the election.

    In 2012, Allred’s legal trade once came into play for Obama’s reelection bid, by creating a legal furor over divorce proceedings in which Romney apparently had testified for the husband. She claimed, 13 days before the election, that this would be the “October surprise” which would secure Obama’s reelection. I actually think Sandy intervened instead, providing the impetus for Obama to win, rather than Gloria. But, she did try…..

    Now, in 2017, a month before a critical senate election, Allred appears as a representative for a woman accusing the R candidate of a long ago sexual attack.

    Is it just a coincidence that Allred is always at the ready to disrupt political elections? Or, is this simply a skill set of hers that she repeatedly employs for the greater good of the dem party?

  448. Tgca says:

    I totally agree on Alred but I must admit she generally has awesome hair style for a woman of her age and impeccable hilights. I wonder who does her hair. Just a thought. We should always at least have one nice thing to say about someone, right? Like Jason has a nice name. 🙂

  449. Paul says:

    It is likely just me, but I think I believe the original four stories more than the fifth story.

    Perhaps the fifth story is mostly true but has been just a bit embellished by the coaching of Allred.

  450. lisab says:

    The 1979 story is more gentle and cautious.
    ——————————————-

    i do not believe the 1979 story, although it is possible, i would want some evidence. the 1977 story i can believe — again not necessarily that moore was involved.

  451. Tgca says:

    That’s defamatory Paul to suggest Allred would coach the accuser. Geez! After all, she’s a lawyer and that would be unethical for a lawyer to do.

  452. lisab says:

    It is likely just me, but I think I believe the original four stories more than the fifth story.
    ——————————-

    one of the reasons i don’t believe the original 14yo’s story is that the m.o. does not fit with a 32 yo molester.

    if he is a really bad guy, and that is the charge, i can believe that such a bad guy tried to force a teen to give him sex

  453. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “It is likely just me, but I think I believe the original four stories more than the fifth story.”

    The stories themselves are secondary to the fact the issue shows Moore, as a 32-year old attorney, associating with teenage girls in a creepy manner.

    Often political parties do opposition research on their potential candidates to make sure they catch something like this. Likewise, political consultants do “opposition research” on candidates they work for to make sure they are prepared to counter any attacks during the campaign. Seasoned consultants know they cannot rely on candidates to fully disclose their past.

    Moore is a rogue candidate. Hopefully Bannon realizes what an idiot he is for pushing this guy.

  454. justsayin says:

    I’d like to know if it’s true that Moore was banned from a mall due to his creepy behavior. That is one that should be provable since there should be records or people in the know from said mall.

  455. justsayin says:

    I’d like to know if it’s true that Moore was banned from a mall due to his creepy behavior. That is one that should be provable since there should be records or people in the know from said mall.

  456. Bitterlaw says:

    A few points.

    I know people who started their careers as Assistant DAs. They usually referred to themselves by saying, “I’m a DA.”

    Polygraphs are not admissible in all courts. I have heard experts say there are major problems with them. One is that the person has to know they are lying to get caught. Simply not remembering or remembering it differently won’t show up. Also, a really smooth liar or sociopath won’t care if they lie so the test will not always catch them.

    The fact that this is a hit piece does not prove that all of the accusations are true or false. The Weinstein stories and subsequent stories where everybody in Hollywood is either assaulting or being assaulted by somebody every day created an environment where this publication would be widely read.

  457. Truther says:

    Was it signed by ray moore or roy moore? She said ray in the presser.

  458. Redmen4ever says:

    Regarding a Senate hearing: were Roy Moore to be elected, the Senate would probably vote to conduct a hearing on his qualification for office, and seat him provisionally pending the report of the committee and any action by the (full) Senate. That’s the way this has been done. The attorney for Moore’s most recent accuser must know this, and is playing politics by calling for a Senate hearing in two weeks.

  459. Jonesy says:

    Interesting.

    1986 Elections, Reagan’s 6 yer itch. Dealing with Iran Contra etc…

    Lost the Senate, losing many close races.

    Won 8 Governorships

    Lost only 5 House seats.

  460. Bitterlaw says:

    In my opinion, the seat is probably lost. Might as well let the voters who wanted a candidate who has no respect for the law ride it out to the end. At least they can SEND A MESSAGE.

    As for the conspiracy theory that McConnell is behind this, I say that is absurd. He has enough trouble with 52 Senators. Why would he want to reduce it to 51 Senators?

  461. Jonesy says:

    My last straw, is if Moore was banned from the Shopping mall, there should be proof on that. that is a predator if True.

    Are we being sarcastic on the Yearbook or not. Was it a forgery? If so, Allred accuser was paid off

  462. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, McConnell was not behind it, but he took advantage of the opening.

    If they do lose it, Mitch should resign as leader. He screwed this all up by supporting tainted Luther Strange

  463. Jonesy says:

    Stunned last night, that Robbie Admitted he would rather have Jones win, than Moore.

    Robbie and his kind are the reason, Trump won

  464. Jonesy says:

    Wow! Ace of Spades is standing by Roy Moore

  465. NYCmike says:

    “Stunned last night, that Robbie Admitted he would rather have Jones win, than Moore.”

    -Robbie, the devout Catholic, would vote for the person who is all-in on KILLING CHILDREN in the womb, instead of voting for the creep who has been faithfully married for almost 40 years and is now, a month before an election, SUDDENLY BEING ACCUSED of sexual improprieties, pedophilia, and rape, all of which have been denied by that candidate.

  466. Jonesy says:

    Robbie is a Cafeteria Catholic, Mike

  467. Jonesy says:

    Mike, a lot of rural people near me, are enraged by this all.

    They feel like Senate GOP wants to lose the Seat

  468. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, are you still protecting Pedo Bush 1?

  469. Bitterlaw says:

    Why was Strange, who was supported by your savior Trump, tainted?

    Bush 41 was never accused of anything with children so you can GFY with the pedo dig. I do not support grabbing women. I do support the idea that he was a good President who was a war hero.

    Are you still hiding behind your stupid assertion that serial adulterer and destroyer of 2 marriages so far is blameless because he never said it’s wrong to be a p*ssy grabber? We can both play this game.

  470. Bitterlaw says:

    474 People who believe the GOP wants to lose the seat are morons.

  471. Bitterlaw says:

    Jonesy – Are you Catholic? If not, GFY on judging others on the Catholic faith. HHR is a great place. People who loved Catholic Robbie for calling the Pope a Comminist now question whether Robbie is a good Catholic.

  472. Bitterlaw says:

    I married a Jewish woman so I probably will not get a high score on the Catholic grade scale.

  473. Todd McCain says:

    Stood by good ole Roy until yesterday as well.

    Cant do it anymore. I really hate when the GOP just throws away Senate seats — MO, DE, CO, NV, IN…..

    At this point the Governor needs to just cancel the special election and have it at another time. The MSM will flip out, but who cares, it is worth the cost.

    Doug Jones would serve until 2020 since I think Sessions was re-elected in 2014.

    This whole thing though goes down a very scary slippery slope. Any one of us on this board can have an accusation/allegation thrown against us. The WAPO/NYT are going to continue to do this as the power play worked brilliantly whether it was true or not.

  474. Redmen4ever says:

    Strange was unfairly tainted because he was pursuing the prior Governor for corruption. When the prior Governor resigned, and he was appointed, this looked like a “corrupt bargain.” Think of John Q. Adams appointing Henry Clay Secretary of State after he (Clay) supported Adams over Andrew Jackson in 1824 when the election was decided by the House of Representatives:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupt_bargain

    Now Moore is being unfairly tainted (in the sense that there is no due process).

    I am sorry, but a part of the Republican coalition is moral conservatives. Our people are concerned with sexual propriety (a broader concept than legality) and corruption. The other side tries to get away with as much as they can.

  475. Jonesy says:

    480. Agree Todd. Well Said. And the next one to get taken out will be a GopE darling.

    shopping mall thing is bad.

  476. Jonesy says:

    1. 30 million and no opp research.

    2. Support Strange, who was appointed by disgraced Governor Bentley, to avoid prosecution. Luther went along.

    3. Mitch M savages Mo Brooks in primary

    This is on GopE if seat is lost.

  477. Jonesy says:

    Still wondering if this all a Bubble? Bama does not think like the Swamp

  478. Jonesy says:

    If the polls are awful by friday. Trump needs to force Ivey to cancel the election

  479. Bitterlaw says:

    The shopping mall issue is bad but I doubt that there are any records that would confirm it. I represent many businesses. I do not know of any that keep records back to 1979. Maybe malls do.

  480. Jonesy says:

    Real polls though, not Robbie polls

  481. Jonesy says:

    Mall thing would be the thing to get Moore voters to ask to resign.

    The women are seen as paid lackeys still by them

  482. Bitterlaw says:

    Jonesy never puts any responsibility on the person accused unless their last name is Bush. Trump and Moore get a pass. McConnell gets blamed because Moore apparently liked teens. Allegedly.

  483. Redmen4ever says:

    Roy Moore should send the Governor a notarized statement that if she postpones the election long enough so the Republican can name a replacement candidate, he withdraws from the race.

    The women in this case deserve to be heard. He should be afforded due process. And, the people of the state should have a choice in the election.

    However, should the Governor elect to not postpone the election, the people of the state can give the women an opportunity to be heard and he also, by electing him, and letting the U.S. Senate decide the matter. Although a Senate hearing is not the same thing as a trial in a courtroom, it is a fair process that allows both sides to present their case and to be cross-examined.

  484. Todd McCain says:

    484. Good point.

    We think Moore is done, but perhaps in Alabama where dems really have no infrastructure or GOTV effort, he does end up winning.

    Who knows. 3 weeks.

    Moore might be too think headed to drop out. Akin did the same thing because the media propped some polls of him doing well. PPP specifically.

  485. Jonesy says:

    Bitter. There is proof on Bush 1. Not protecting moore, just hate the precedent of election eve smear jobs by your buddies at the MSM

  486. Jonesy says:

    Both todd and red well said

  487. Trump says:

    “Roy Moore should send the Governor a notarized statement that if she postpones the election long enough so the Republican can name a replacement candidate, he will run again.”

    Fixed that for you.

  488. Trump says:

    No woman is safe in the presence of Bush Sr.

    Or, for that matter, Joe Biden.

  489. jason says:

    “Roy Moore should send the Governor a notarized statement that if she postpones the election long enough so the Republican can name a replacement candidate, he will run again.”

    That could work. And if he wins again so be it.

  490. jason says:

    This whole thing though goes down a very scary slippery slope. Any one of us on this board can have an accusation/allegation thrown against us. The WAPO/NYT are going to continue to do this as the power play worked brilliantly whether it was true or not.”

    Yep, that’s what the useful idiots don’t see.

  491. Trump says:

    I wonder why the prosecutor’s office in the relevant jurisdiction is not filing charges against Roy Moore?

    Rape is a serious crime, and there is no statute of limitations. It should be prosecuted in a court of law, not in some kangaroo court. Otherwise it is a serious miscarriage of justice.

    Remember the VA fraternity rape case and the Duke lacrosse rape case.

  492. Bitterlaw says:

    My buddies at the MSM? Another stretch bordering on a lie. Here is a wild concept for you. Just because a story is reported in the Washington Post does not mean it is automatically fake or true. The Washington Post acted Nixo . Nixon was corrupt. Both were true.

  493. Trump says:

    Or more precisely, “Remember the VA fraternity non-rape case and the Duke lacrosse non-rape case.”

  494. jason says:

    Postponing the election is a great idea.

  495. Bitterlaw says:

    Hated Nixon. Not acted.

  496. Bitterlaw says:

    Some stories are not accurate or poorly investigated. Some stories are true. That is why it is better to get news from several sources.

  497. Tgca says:

    OMG! Did Bitter just come out in 463?

    He doesn’t support groping women? Ever?

    I always thought there was something more to the love quarrels between him and MD.

    Interesting…

  498. Tgca says:

    I don’t think anyone was suggesting using the polygraph as a legal strategy but instead as a political one. If someone is willing to make accusations and one is also denying them, and there is no way to prove either, consideration of a polygraph is a potential solution to standing by your credibility. Yes, there is risk but leaving it out there otherwise where half think either one or the other is a liar seems odd to me. Why bring it up in the 1st place? Depending which side you’re on, many will never believe either one and you open yourself to scrutiny, harassment, and hatred in a very public setting that will attach to you forever and that makes little sense to me.

  499. MichiganGuy says:

     2018 Michigan Governor (Target Insyght polling)

    Schuette (R) 42%
    Fieger (D) 35%

    Duggan (D) 47%
    Schuette (R) 32%

    Whitmer (D) 41%
    Schuette (R) 40%

    2018 Michigan Governor Dem Primary

    Whitmer 43%
    Duggan 29%

    Whitmer 41%
    Fieger 28%

    Whitmer 42%
    Levin 19%

    Whitmer 45%
    El-Sayed 13%
    Thanedar 2%

    2018 Michigan Governor Republican Primary:
    Schuette 38%
    Calley 14%

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls

  500. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca – Look, bitch. I will grope what I want when I want it as soon as a get a signed release, waiver, and Affidavit confirming consent.

  501. Redmen4ever says:

    Regarding “fixing” my statement of what Roy Moore should do:

    Think of this as a poker game. Moore has to bluff withdrawing by making a bone fide offer to withdraw. If the Governor calls his bluff by re-scheduling the election, the Republican state committee names his replacement. He (Moore) doesn’t get to run again.

    But, if the Governor doesn’t re-schedule the election, he (Moore) can say he offered to withdraw in a way that would preserve a choice for the people of Alabama, but the offer wasn’t accepted. This makes Moore look like an honorable and fair man.

    Furthermore, by embracing that the Senate will conduct a hearing, this also makes Moore look like an honorable and fair man.

    This is a strategy for winning the special election, assuming it’s not postponed.

    Finally, I will point out, if the Senate expels him, the Governor can appoint his successor, and schedule the next special election coincident with the 2018 elections so as to not cost the taxpayers of the state a dime.

  502. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca just wants to claim I’m gay so he can take credit for bringing a legendary A-hole to his team.

  503. Phil says:

    I think Moore is a scumbag, but no question this kind of a pre election hit job by the left sets a dangerous precedent. The left controls the MSM so they have the means to do this time and time again. Get ready for more of the same in the future. Just another tool in the left’s toolbox.

    Jason is correct when he says the useful idiots don’t see this and it’s naive as hell…..Heller? Cruz? who’s next?

  504. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – I see our point but maybe some people lead cleaner lives. Are you saying that everybody has a dark secret or just something that can be twisted to look like a dark secret?

    I know that posting in this hive of scum and villainy ended my political ambitions.

  505. Robbie says:

    On her show last night, Laura Ingraham (a Trump cipher) was none too interested in defending Roy Moore. In fact, she even mentioned three possible replacements. The one that caught my ear and sounds like a sure fire winner was former governor Bob Riley.

  506. Tgca says:

    When I was a teenager, I had an ugly dispute with this girl whose family I knew well and she claimed I was trying to sexually abuse her. It never happened. Her bf was cuter than her so if I was gonna sexually abuse anyone, it would not be her. 🙂

    The funny thing, based on her past behavior, her mother did not believe her and sided with me but her dad took her side. Years later she came and apologized to me and cried how she felt so bad about it and wanted to rekindle a friendship. As you can imagine, I was not very forgiven and my response was a bit cold to her, as I had no interest in going back and rekindling a friendship.

    Accusing anyone of sexual abuse, assault or harassment is over the line, and if you’re innocent, you should defend yourself but prepare for how ugly it can get and how people will judge you unfairly forever.

  507. Robbie says:

    I’m just catching up on the late night edition of HHR. The fact Jason is still defending good ole Roy is embarrassing.

  508. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 13, 2017 at 11:47 pm
    Jason is standing tough. That is one tough A-Hole!”
    No, I am being consistent and looking at the forest.
    Moore is just a tree.
    If the WAPO can derail someoene’s candidacy with 40 year old unsubstantiated allegations conveniently released just before an election, then nobody will be safe from this sort of thing.

    – In other words, you’re willing to risk a Senate seat and the reputation of the Republican Party on your beef with the liberal media. Dumb.

  509. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 14, 2017 at 1:06 am
    332. “329. HYPOCRITE!!! Your credibility on HHR, which has been at a low point for awhile, is now gone forever!!!!!!!!!!!”
    What credibility? Robbie is a troll. He mouths Democratic talking points, claiming to be a loyal Republican. If you accept him for what he is, it can be entertaining some times.

    – Yeah, stick with that story if it makes you feel better. It’s not true, but roll with whatever makes you feel good about the things you have been supporting over the last year.

  510. Trump says:

    Sexual abuse is a crime, and has serious consequences for all involved.

    That is why it should be adjudicated with due process of law.

    Not through “witch hunts” and university “kangaroo courts”.

    “Take it to the judge” should be the standard procedure.

  511. Trump says:

    F off, cretin.

    Take your Republican Party and shove it up your as*.

  512. Bitterlaw says:

    Hate to tell you this Robbie but you are a bad Catholic. HHR has spoken.

    On the plus side, I have a Jewish wife so you are better than me.

  513. Trump says:

    And the fu*cking senate seat.

  514. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 7:18 am
    Stunned last night, that Robbie Admitted he would rather have Jones win, than Moore.
    Robbie and his kind are the reason, Trump won

    – Why? One’s a pedophile and a sexual assaulter. The other is a Democrat. If you think the two are equal or the former is better than the latter, then you’re the one who needs help.

  515. Chicon says:

    510 – good morning, Phil. I certainly understand the precedent. I think it is mitigated by the facts in this case. The question is the standard for when a nominated candidate is asked to leave a race. Conviction of a crime? Out. Bald allegation? Dangerous, imo. These allegations have some heft, I think. When a seat in a deep red state is seriously at risk, and could impact other races in other states, action makes sense to me, even considering the precedent.

  516. Trump says:

    If the Republican Party had any reputation, Jeb! would be the president.

    Ha ha ha ha ha

  517. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 14, 2017 at 7:25 am
    “Stunned last night, that Robbie Admitted he would rather have Jones win, than Moore.”
    -Robbie, the devout Catholic, would vote for the person who is all-in on KILLING CHILDREN in the womb, instead of voting for the creep who has been faithfully married for almost 40 years and is now, a month before an election, SUDDENLY BEING ACCUSED of sexual improprieties, pedophilia, and rape, all of which have been denied by that candidate.

    – Trump’s court jester asked me whether I would vote for one or the other. I said if I had no choice or any other option I would choose Jones. I don’t find being a Democrat to be worse than being a pedophile or sexual assaulter.

  518. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 8:31 am
    Real polls though, not Robbie polls

    – Real polls are those that tell Jonesy what he wants to hear.

  519. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:45 am
    Hate to tell you this Robbie but you are a bad Catholic. HHR has spoken.
    On the plus side, I have a Jewish wife so you are better than me.

    – I saw that! How will I ever recover?

  520. Bitterlaw says:

    Once I voted for Trump, who wanted to date his daughter, the world became darker.

    The seat is gone. If Moore’s supporters want to throw a hisdy fit, let them vote and be done with it.

  521. Robbie says:

    Is o, then why not postpone the election? The governor has the power.

    Chad Pergram?
    @ChadPergram

    On Fox AL SecState Merrill says there’s a move by the AL GOP to “disassociate themselves from Judge Moore and his candidacy, and indicate that he is no longer their nominee. 23:05:36 That has to be done in a formal way” Name would still be on the ballot

  522. Bitterlaw says:

    Just type that you think the Pope is a communist and they will love you again.

  523. Tgca says:

    I am not ok with the Senate finding a political solution to this because it will be a freak show like Anita Hill, who I never believed fully. However, if they want to make it a public hearing, let’s postpone the election and grill both sides to the fullest extent. Let’s delve into both their pasts, and sexual relationships should not be off limit, as that could provide valuable info. If she was an active sexual relationship at 15 or 16 with her bf, that is fair game. How do we know that something did not happen between her and Moore that led to this encounter. This may seem mean to out the victim on trial but it is equally and more disturbing to put the accused on trial with no way for him to defend himself. I bet it would end up being a wash then.

    Again, I’m not a fan of the “every victim needs to be believed” model many advocate. Yes, it’s horrible to be a victim but if all it takes to convict someone in the public arena is the voice of the victim, we all are at risk. I’ve seen too many examples of women and young girls lying about men for whatever reasons because claiming sexual assault is so easy to do.

  524. Robbie says:

    We’re probably reaching some sort of unofficial deadline when it comes to postponing the election. If it’s done at this point, it’s still basically a month out. But if it’s not done by the end of the week, we’ll be into a period where it will look really, really, bad. Postponing an election with 28 days to go is a lot different than 16 or 17 days.

  525. biomom says:

    Did anyone read the article on Drudge about France. Considering making the legal age of consent to be 13. Currently there is none. Even the feminists suggest it be 15. Very different cultural attitude there.

  526. Trump says:

    What is the reason to postpone the election?

  527. Trump says:

    They don’t postpone elections even when candidates on the ballot die.

    Why would they postpone election just because of misconduct allegations against a candidate?

  528. Robbie says:

    LOL!

    Amanda Carpenter?
    @amandacarpenter

    Note: Moore’s wife cites Gateway Pundit as a source.

  529. Trump says:

    I think they should steal the nomination at the brokered convention.

  530. Robbie says:

    Trump says:
    November 14, 2017 at 10:01 am
    They don’t postpone elections even when candidates on the ballot die.
    Why would they postpone election just because of misconduct allegations against a candidate?

    – The Alabama governor has wide discretion according to state law to postpone or suspend an election. In fact, this governor has already done it with this race. She moved the date from November 2018 to December 2017.

    If a candidate is thrown off the ballot by it’s own party because of pedophilia and sexual assault, she can delay the election so a new candidate can be found.

  531. Phil says:

    Guys, I wasn’t in any way saying That stick with Moore is the thing to do. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if others didn’t come forward. One did and I think it was credible. The Moore ship has sailed with me.

    I am just saying this worked and expect a helluva lot more of it. Bitter, of course most candidates don’t have this kind of past. I understand what you are saying. It’s just that i’ve Seen good teaches, some of my colleagues, accused falsely over the years by students and parents with an agenda. Democrats and their media outlets have an agenda and as we have all seen, will do anything to gain power. Now that they have a scalp expect more of the same in future elections whether the accusations have substance or not.

  532. Redmen4ever says:

    A poster makes a point about having information of an abuser and not going to the police.

    1. Because abusers are almost all serial abusers, we think we eventually catch most of them.

    2. We suspect that when one person comes forward, others will follow (though this is not necessary to develop a credible case).

    3. We should recognize the heroism of those who are first. They are like Marines hitting the beachhead (this doesn’t mean their allegation doesn’t need to be corroborated).

    When we Republicans say the first duty of government is defense, this includes in particular the vulnerable among us.

  533. Trump says:

    Moron, I didn’t say the governor cannot delay the election.

    I said, why? Cretin.

    Just because a candidate is accused of misconduct is not a reason.

    If it was, there would be no elections in this country at all.

    No wonder you are a hopeless cretin.

  534. Trump says:

    I remember the Dem candidate against Kasich for Ohio governor being accused of extra-marital affair.

    I didn’t hear any calls to postpone the election.

  535. Robbie says:

    Trump says:
    November 14, 2017 at 10:14 am
    Moron, I didn’t say the governor cannot delay the election.
    I said, why? Cretin.
    Just because a candidate is accused of misconduct is not a reason.
    If it was, there would be no elections in this country at all.
    No wonder you are a hopeless cretin.

    – Because one party is in the process of disassociating itself from a candidate accused of sex crimes and, with a month to go, there is more than enough time for the party to find a new candidate and provide the voters with a choice, especially in a state where that party starts with 65% of the vote.

  536. Trump says:

    That is a personal problem for the party, cretin Robbie.

    Tough luck.

  537. Phil says:

    542

    I have to agree – this is no ordinary situation.

  538. Trump says:

    Would you call for postponing the election if Doug Jones was accused of improper conduct?

  539. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie
    Have you given any further thought to disassociating yourself from the Bush Family?
    Bush41 is a dirty old man and soon Peter Schweitzer(author of Clinton’s Cash) will release his book about Jeb’s! very unseemly business dealings.

  540. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 14, 2017 at 10:35 am
    Robbie
    Have you given any further thought to disassociating yourself from the Bush Family?
    Bush41 is a dirty old man and soon Peter Schweitzer(author of Clinton’s Cash) will release his book about Jeb’s! very unseemly business dealings.

    – Sheeple, have you given any further thought to disassociating yourself from Trump? He’s a dirty old man who 10 women accuse of sexual assault. Mueller’s investigating Trump’s business dealing and we’ll find out about his unseemly business dealing soon.

  541. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #548
    Terrific non-sequitur.
    YES or NO about the Bush Family question in #547?

  542. NYCmike says:

    ” He’s a dirty old man who 10 women accuse of sexual assault.”

    -At least Robbie wrote “accuse” this time…..AND, we all know that the Bush family will be excused by Robbie.

  543. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 14, 2017 at 10:44 am
    ” He’s a dirty old man who 10 women accuse of sexual assault.”
    -At least Robbie wrote “accuse” this time…..AND, we all know that the Bush family will be excused by Robbie.

    – And we all know you have excused Roy Moore because he has promised to be a thorn in McConnell’s side.

  544. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie
    Please answer the question posed to you in 547. Thanks.

  545. janz says:

    With all the troubles in the world – ME tensions, N. Korea edging towards nukes, trade disparities, tax reform on the table, political infighting everywhere etc. – and what pressing issue will be front and center upon Trump’s return home Wednesday? Alabama’s lurid Senate race problems. It makes a person want to take a fight out of here!

  546. janz says:

    Fight should be flight.

  547. Robbie says:

    This would be the perfect way for this saga to end. It would make NYCmike and the rest of the “send a message” crowd jump for joy, but it would give Democrats another Senate seat and make it even more likely Trump’s agenda goes nowhere. Cut your nose off to spite your face.

    Sarah Westwood?
    @sarahcwestwood

    One R close to the White House tells me Trump is tempted “to weigh in the opposite of what the establishment wants Moore to do.”

  548. Jonesy says:

    I will never apologize for supporting my CIC, Prez Trump.

    He did what GopE losers Dole, McCain, and Romney could never do.

    Fight the MSM and win Baby!!!

  549. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 14, 2017 at 10:50 am
    Robbie
    Please answer the question posed to you in 547. Thanks.

    – Sheeple, please answer the question posed to you in 549.

  550. Jonesy says:

    Robbie did you ever take that Dole Sticker off your car?

  551. Jonesy says:

    Robbie you are non grata.

    You endorsed, as a Catholic, late Term Abortion advocate, Doug Jones, for Senate last night.

    You should be ashamed of yourself

  552. Jonesy says:

    Robbie still retweets from bloggers I never even hear of.

    At least post a RINO that is known

  553. Waingro says:

    Well I stand corrected. I fully expect Hannity to now back walk what appeared to be a denouncement of Moore yesterday, which caused me to think otherwise.

    “One R close to the White House tells me Trump is tempted “to weigh in the opposite of what the establishment wants Moore to do.”

    https://twitter.com/sarahcwestwood/status/930460719937617920

  554. Jonesy says:

    510. Spot on Phil. Heller will be next, and Robbie will never see it coming

  555. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 11:04 am
    Robbie you are non grata.
    You endorsed, as a Catholic, late Term Abortion advocate, Doug Jones, for Senate last night.
    You should be ashamed of yourself

    – LOL! You really are an idiot. You asked me what I would do if I only had to choose between the two..

    If I was an Alabama voter, I would not vote or write in someone else.

  556. jason says:

    In other words, you’re willing to risk a Senate seat and the reputation of the Republican Party on your beef with the liberal media. Dumb.”

    LOL Wobbie really thinks the timing of these allegations are not politically driven.

    But yes, the point is that if the MSM can get away with this nobody is safe.

    The shortsighted approach will have terrible consequences in the long run.

  557. Phil says:

    561

    In that case, say hello to our newest leftist senator, Doug Jones from the great state of Alabama.

  558. Jonesy says:

    The 11th circuit covers alabama. It is loaded with Clinton and Obama judges.

    Jones will sue if election postponed

  559. TIna says:

    I see the old secret sources.

    My sole post for the day. I still have one eye bandaged, so only one eye to see out of. Consequently, i have the mother of all headaches.

  560. Jonesy says:

    I never thought Robbie was a Dem Troll, until last night.

    Doug Jones for Senate

  561. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 14, 2017 at 11:10 am

    The shortsighted approach will have terrible consequences in the long run.

    – Wrong. The shortsighted approach is to defend Moore, keep him on the ballot, and then force every Republican in 2018 to have to answer questions about why the party didn’t disavow a candidate like Moore.

    Barbara Comstock and the other Republicans in tough suburban districts thank you.

  562. Phil says:

    Hang in there, Tina.

  563. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 11:11 am
    The 11th circuit covers alabama. It is loaded with Clinton and Obama judges.
    Jones will sue if election postponed

    – They will not get involved. The law is clear and the precedent was set in 2002 with NJ.

  564. Jonesy says:

    good Luck Tina. At least you can now skip watching the 49ers.

  565. Jonesy says:

    571. My God, you are naive

  566. Redmen4ever says:

    Regarding postponing elections: You have to look at state law, and I’m only repeating what I’ve heard, I actually don’t know what Alabama law says. Special elections may be different from general elections. Special elections are generally covered by law, and may allow some discretion, whereas general elections are generally set by the state constitution, and involve many offices. Furthermore, what is the reason to postpone an election if each party has a nominee?

    Although this pertained to a New Jersey election, it was decided by the State Supreme Court that the public had an interest in the ballot having the names of bone fide candidates of the two major parties; so that, as it was possible, the Democrats could put the name of their replacement candidate on the ballot past the statutory deadline provided they pay for the reprinting of the ballots.

  567. Jonesy says:

    SD was right last night. Robbie is really a Dem concern troll. Use to think he was a Naive RINO, but no more

  568. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 11:14 am
    571. My God, you are naïve

    – Then why didn’t the 11th Circuit get involved when the governor moved up the election by 11 months?

  569. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 11:15 am
    SD was right last night. Robbie is really a Dem concern troll. Use to think he was a Naive RINO, but no more

    – Watching your wild swings in emotion in this forum has been humorous. RINO! Globalist! Roy is innocent! Roy has to go!

  570. Jonesy says:

    Can you imagine the Feminists at the waPo and NYT time right now? they are just drooling.

    40 year smear resulting in the Spineless GOP jumping ship.

    Heller, Rick Scott etc.. all being investigated at this moment with cash in hand

  571. Jonesy says:

    576. Because the Dems did not care.

    they care now and law does not matter to them, just Judge shopping.

    You think you can trust Kennedy or Judas Roberts, if it goes that far?

  572. Phil says:

    No doubt Democrats will sue, but there is precedent and the discretion afforded the governor on this matter is spelled out clearly from what I understand.

    It would be a matter for the state courts as I understand it. It involves state law and a state wide election. It would be a real stretch for the federal courts to get involved.

  573. Robbie says:

    Jeff Sessions on Moore’s accusers: “I have no reason to doubt these young women”

  574. Paul says:

    If Bush 1 were running for Senate, I think most of us would say he’s not fit for the position and would be asking for him to step aside. Grabbing asses would only be part of that calculation.

  575. Phil says:

    581

    A not so subtle nudge from the AG telling Moore to get the hell out.

  576. Bitterlaw says:

    Did anyone read the article on Drudge about France. Considering making the legal age of consent to be 13. Currently there is none. Even the feminists suggest it be 15. Very different cultural attitude there.

    Breaking News – Roy Moore drops out of Alabama Senate races and announces that he will run for position of Mayor of Paris.

  577. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 14, 2017 at 11:26 am
    581
    A not so subtle nudge from the AG telling Moore to get the hell out.

    – The problem is Moore is another Todd Akin. Short of Christ coming down from Heaven and telling Roy to quit, I don’t think he steps aside.

  578. Jonesy says:

    Phil, thanks. Does Moore have supporters on the Bama courts?

  579. Jonesy says:

    Then the GopE needs to break away from Georgetown cocktails, and go to flyover country and pressure Ivey with some serious pork. Postpone the damn thing

    Shelby knows the routine

  580. Phil says:

    Moore is another Akin.

    PPP to release an R+82 poll at any moment showing Moore up 3 points.

  581. Bitterlaw says:

    Moore should stay in and be soundly defeated. It will please Jonesy because he did not cave into the MSM. It will please Robbie because he lost. It will please Moore’s supporters because he SENT A MESSAGE. It will please Chuck Schumer.

    Everybody except the Republican Party wins!

  582. Robbie says:

    Bob Riley seems like a smart choice to replace Moore on the ballot if the party throws him off and the governor delays the elections. He would get 70% of the vote.

  583. Paul says:

    Mobile is kind of like the French riviera.

  584. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil, thanks. Does Moore have supporters on the Bama courts?

    The Alabama courts he told to “F off. I won’t obey your orders.”? Those courts? Probably not.

  585. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 14, 2017 at 11:32 am
    Moore is another Akin.
    PPP to release an R+82 poll at any moment showing Moore up 3 points.

    – That poll, released just two days after Akin stuck his foot in his mouth, kept Akin the race. PPP succeeded.

  586. Phil says:

    I don’t know, Jonesy beyond that the Alabama courts are firmly Republican hands.

  587. Phil says:

    593.

    Yep. It was a poll that grossly overinflated Republican Party ID to get the desired result and it worked.

  588. Phil says:

    Poll or not, however, Akin was a complete moron and would have probably stayed in regardless. He was that stupid.

  589. Phil says:

    …and Moore is no doubt just as out of touch.

  590. Todd McCain says:

    Oh I remember that PPP poll; it totally got him to stay in the race.

    And people think the MSM is fair…..

  591. Waingro says:

    #581, without Trump himself saying something along those lines, the GOP

  592. NYCmike says:

    DC sucks!

  593. Waingro says:

    Meant to finish off with: “is stuck with Moore.”

  594. NYCmike says:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/logan-melgar-green-beret-navy-seals-investigation-2017-11

    -Another reason why service in and of itself is NOT A REASON for blank allegiance to someone.

  595. Bitterlaw says:

    Is NYC equating murder to voting a different way than he prefers?

    Fine. I will not respect active duty military or veterans who murder people. I will continue to respect John McCain even if I don’t like how he votes on a particular bill.

  596. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/blog/liveblogevent/mondays-hot-mic-32/entry-217231/

    “The irony is, unlike the Democrats in 2010, if the GOP were to take my advice and vote as though they’ve got nothing to lose, they’d be more likely to keep their majority. But as things stand now, there’s an awful lot of well-earned “meh” sentiment for this Republican Congress, and Democrats showed in Virginia and Pennsylvania that at the local level, they’re learning the lessons of 2016.”

    -Totally agree with this statement, which is why a FULL REPEAL should have been done back in Jan/FEb, March. The Republicans would have had the last 8 or so months to have argued over a replacement….in the meantime, their voters would have been THRILLED, and getting out and volunteering and donating $$. Luther Strange would be cruising to his re-election right now!

    Instead, we got McCain with his thumbs-down and a Roy-Moore-candidacy.

  597. NYCmike says:

    “Is NYC equating murder to voting a different way than he prefers?”

    -No, not at all.

  598. Robbie says:

    Sean Hannity has lost quite a few advertisers after he questioned the motives of good ole Roy’s accusers last week. This is what eventually led to the end of O’Reilly.

    http://www.realclearlife.com/television/sean-hannity-bleeds-advertisers-following-roy-moore-segment/

  599. Robbie says:

    Rand Paul remains the only Republican who hasn’t called for Roy Moore to quit the race. Why am I not surprised?

  600. NYCmike says:

    Robbie is OK with advertisers leaving because a host questioned the motives of an accuser, although no charges have been filed yet.

    YET, said nothing when advertisers stay with networks that ran interference for Anthony Weiner and Bill Clinton, who WERE FOUND GUILTY when legal proceedings were allowed to be carried out.

  601. Redmen4ever says:

    Hannity should get a News Emmy for his coverage of the Alabama Senate race. He had a terrific interview of Moore. It was a mind-changer for many conservatives. That his show has taken a hit with advertisers shows him to have real integrity.

  602. NYCmike says:

    “Why am I not surprised?”

    -Because you realize he has 5 broken ribs due to a political attack that has NOT been mentioned much in the press whatsoever?

  603. NYCmike says:

    “This is what eventually led to the end of O’Reilly.”

    -O’Reilly paying off women is what led to his advertisers leaving him, which led to his being fired.

    Not the same thing at all

  604. Bitterlaw says:

    Damn. I thought that NYC would applaud me for saying that Moore should stay in so we can let the disaster play out.

    I will say that IN MY OPINION (for Tina), no charges will ever be filed on the alleged sexual assault claim of the “teen in the car” case. It is a pure he said/she said case that is decades old. By the description of the alleged attack, there would be no DNA evidence and even if evidence did exist from that time, it would be shredded on cross-examination by a moderately skilled law student.

  605. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 14, 2017 at 2:03 pm
    “Why am I not surprised?”
    -Because you realize he has 5 broken ribs due to a political attack that has NOT been mentioned much in the press whatsoever?

    – Who knew broken ribs prevented someone from tweeting that Moore should withdraw. Strange, but it didn’t stop Paul from tweeting last night the individual mandate should be repealed as part of tax reform.

  606. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 14, 2017 at 2:02 pm
    Robbie is OK with advertisers leaving because a host questioned the motives of an accuser, although no charges have been filed yet.
    YET, said nothing when advertisers stay with networks that ran interference for Anthony Weiner and Bill Clinton, who WERE FOUND GUILTY when legal proceedings were allowed to be carried out.

    – LOL! The epitome of “whataboutism”.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but Weiner and Clinton didn’t have TV shows from which advertisers could pulls their ads, right?

  607. Phil says:

    If the election is not postponed long enough for Moore to be replaced on the ballot the seat is probably gone.

    Either, Moore loses one on one to Jones or, if there is a write in the Moore – write in candidate splits the Republican vote and Jones slips in anyway.

  608. NYCmike says:

    ” Strange, but it didn’t stop Paul from tweeting last night the individual mandate should be repealed as part of tax reform.”

    -At least one Senator is concentrating on the more important aspects of their job, as opposed to sticking their noses in a sovereign states business.

    “Alabama is now the 8th state – joining Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Idaho, Louisiana and Tennessee – where similar resolutions affirming sovereignty under the 10th Amendment to the Constitution have been approved by both legislative houses in the past year. Alabama is the first state to pass a sovereignty resolution in 2010.”

  609. NYCmike says:

    “Correct me if I’m wrong, but Weiner and Clinton didn’t have TV shows from which advertisers could pulls their ads, right?”

    -You are correct, which is why I wrote “YET, said nothing when advertisers stay with networks that ran interference for…GUILTY……”.

  610. NYCmike says:

    And YES, I KNOW the resolution is NOT LEGALLY BINDING, but I figured since Robbie believes any and all accusations, I might as well post it.

  611. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 14, 2017 at 2:53 pm
    If the election is not postponed long enough for Moore to be replaced on the ballot the seat is probably gone.
    Either, Moore loses one on one to Jones or, if there is a write in the Moore – write in candidate splits the Republican vote and Jones slips in anyway.

    – If the governor were to suspend the election but not provide 76 days to take ole Roy’s name off the ballot, then she should be impeached for incompetence.

  612. NYCmike says:

    “Damn. I thought that NYC would applaud me for saying that Moore should stay in so we can let the disaster play out.”

    -Sorry, I missed that.

    I would NOT be against the delay, such as Redmen outlined earlier. BUT, I do not like one bit how the Republican Party caves in to allegations so easily…..of course, it is mainly due to the fact that they don’t like Moore, which is understandable.

  613. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 14, 2017 at 2:54 pm

    At least one Senator is concentrating on the more important aspects of their job, as opposed to sticking their noses in a sovereign states business.

    – The 30 seconds it would take to compose that tweet are too valuable to waste I guess.

  614. Robbie says:

    The explains why a lot of “conservatives” are sticking with good ole Roy.

    Judge Roy Moore?
    @MooreSenate

    The good people of Alabama, not the Washington elite who wallow in the swamp, will decide this election! #DitchMitch

  615. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    615. “Correct me if I’m wrong,”

    Robbie, its never worked in the past. So why should we try it now?

  616. Todd McCain says:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/sen-paul-plans-amendment-to-gut-obamacare-in-tax-bill-testing-gop-unity/2017/11/14/f95066c6-c94e-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html?utm_term=.cd93ed8833c8

    This is potentially great news. Thune says he has 50 votes for Obamacare mandate repeal and it has been added to the GOP Senate Tax plan.

  617. Todd McCain says:

    Sen. John Thune, R-SD, told the Washington Post that there are 50 Republican senators willing to support the mandate-repealing tax reform bill. That would be enough to pass it, with a tie-breaking vote from Vice President Mike Pence.

    BIG NEWS

  618. Robbie says:

    The amount of lying Rush did on his radio show for good ole Roy is striking. The woman’s testimony was good ole Roy reached over and locked the door.

    Allahpundit?
    @allahpundit

    RUSH: Roy Moore Accuser Claims She Was Locked In Car In 1977; Child Locks Not Required Till 1980s

  619. Jonesy says:

    626. Todd, you made my day, Thanks.

    Now if we can settle this mess in Bama

  620. Jonesy says:

    Dennis Prager Is someone I really respect. Scholar and great conservative voice. Made a great point on his show today.

    Says it is a smear and it is not fair, but we need to keep that seat at all costs. Do what it takes

  621. Jonesy says:

    Robbie sad. Pass the Tinfoil

    Passing Tax cuts and getting rid of Mandate, great for Trump.

  622. Jonesy says:

    Give us solutions Robbie, not hate towards conservatives.

    It is a frickin 1977 timeline. do you expect everybody to rollover and say nothing about these accusers and their swiss cheese stories?

  623. Jonesy says:

    509. finally Robbie has something constructive to say. Bob Riley would be good

  624. Robbie says:

    In 2012, Republicans asked Rush Limbaugh, a Missouri native, to call on Akin to quit the race. He chose not to do so and we lost the race. Now under a scenario that’s somewhat similar, he’s chosen to go to bat for a man who has been credibly accused (I believe the claims) of sexual assault with teenagers.

    It really makes you wonder just how committed he is to seeing Republicans elected and a conservative agenda enacted.

  625. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Quote from an article in Townhall:

    “…Two officers I spoke to this weekend, both of whom asked to remain unnamed, told me that they have long heard stories about Moore and the mall. “The general knowledge at the time when I moved here was that this guy is a lawyer cruising the mall for high-school dates,” one of the officers said. The legal age of consent in Alabama is sixteen, so it would not be illegal there for a man in his early thirties to date a girl who was, say, a senior in high school. But these officers, along with the other people I spoke to, said that Moore’s presence at the mall was regarded as a problem. “I was told by a girl who worked at the mall that he’d been run off from there, from a number of stores. Maybe not legally banned, but run off,” one officer told me. He also said, “I heard from one girl who had to tell the manager of a store at the mall to get Moore to leave her alone.” The second officer went further. “A friend of mine told me he was banned from there,” he said. He added, “I actually voted for Moore. I liked him at one time. But I’m basically disgusted now, to be honest with you. Some of the things he’s said recently, I’ve changed my tune completely about this guy.”

  626. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 3:44 pm
    Give us solutions Robbie, not hate towards conservatives.
    It is a frickin 1977 timeline. do you expect everybody to rollover and say nothing about these accusers and their swiss cheese stories?

    – I expect Rush Limbaugh to see the handwriting on the wall and understand the current situation is untenable.

  627. Jonesy says:

    Phil, huge difference on the Akin race compared to Moore.

    MO Purple state in 2012. Sky Queen was a incumbent. He was guilty by his own words of stupid abortion remark.

    doug Jones in no Claire M

  628. Wes says:

    AL-Sen is becoming more and more of a fubar all the time.

  629. Robbie says:

    This tweet came in response to Rush Limbaugh claiming the Moore story is an inside hit job by McConnell to take out Steve Bannon.

    Judge Roy Moore?
    @MooreSenate

    Judge Roy Moore Retweeted Jeff Poor
    Alabamians will not be fooled by this #InsideHitJob. Mitch McConnell’s days as Majority Leader are coming to an end very soon. The fight has just begun.

  630. Wes says:

    That should tell Moore “Mene mene tekel upharsin,” SDC.

  631. Jonesy says:

    Bashing Rush is no solution. Get off your fat ass, fire up a Cessna and go to Bama. Picket in front of the Statehouse.

    Stop Whining here

  632. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 3:50 pm
    Phil, huge difference on the Akin race compared to Moore.
    MO Purple state in 2012. Sky Queen was a incumbent. He was guilty by his own words of stupid abortion remark.
    doug Jones in no Claire M

    – McCaskill would have lost by 10 or more points in 2012. Her approval rating was in the crapper in 2012.

  633. Jonesy says:

    Wes, what do you know about Kay Ivey? Will she play ball?

  634. Wes says:

    I can’t see how Moore has any supporters at this point. He’s tainting both the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil “Establishment” and his own core supporters now.

  635. Jonesy says:

    641. I agree Claire was unpopular, but you cannot compare Purple MO of 12, to Bama of 2016

  636. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 14, 2017 at 3:53 pm
    I can’t see how Moore has any supporters at this point. He’s tainting both the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil “Establishment” and his own core supporters now.

    – He’s Akin. He wants to be a martyr.

  637. Wes says:

    I don’t know, Jonesy. I’d make it vlear she’ll be a tocic gubernatorial nominee if she sits back and does nothing.

    Allying himself with Roy Moore did Fob James exactly no good in 1998.

  638. Jonesy says:

    RRH crazy as it is, has moderators.

    Maybe we need to have a solutions only board for a few days

  639. Wes says:

    Robbie, I don’t think Akin wanted to be a martyr. I think he was just too stupid to realize he couldn’t ein.

  640. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    629. “Says it is a smear and it is not fair, but we need to keep that seat at all costs. Do what it takes.”

    The irony is that Moore’s Hannity interview was the first sign something was really wrong, and it was just not a smear. I was a queasy performance.

  641. Todd McCain says:

    Next round of polls will be interesting. It is bad that I think Doug Jones is going to lose to an alleged pedophile?

  642. Wes says:

    I don’t think Jones can lose to Moore at this point, Todd.

  643. Robbie says:

    Should Moore win, he would have quite a career arc. Twice expelled from the Alabama State Supreme Court and expelled from the US Senate.

  644. Waingro says:

    “Sen. John Thune, R-SD, told the Washington Post that there are 50 Republican senators willing to support the mandate-repealing tax reform bill. That would be enough to pass it, with a tie-breaking vote from Vice President Mike Pence.

    BIG NEWS”

    Good. Now RAM it through before Doug Jones gets sworn in.

  645. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 14, 2017 at 3:57 pm
    I don’t think Jones can lose to Moore at this point, Todd.

    – Suburban women will abandon the GOP in this race and a US News and World report story said pollsters were seeing weakening for Moore in rural areas.

  646. Waingro says:

    ” I expect Rush Limbaugh to see the handwriting on the wall and understand the current situation is untenable.”

    He’ll hold the fort until his Master Trump says otherwise.

  647. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    November 14, 2017 at 4:01 pm
    ” I expect Rush Limbaugh to see the handwriting on the wall and understand the current situation is untenable.”
    He’ll hold the fort until his Master Trump says otherwise.

    – Yesterday, I thought Trump would bail on Moore. Today, I feel the opposite. What Trump fears most is erosion of his base support. And with Steve Bannon in his ear, my guess is Trump will choose the base and Bannon and stick with Moore.

  648. Jonesy says:

    US news and World Report is not a credible source Robbie. Jeez. They are left of Trotzky.

    Not even in print anymore

  649. Jonesy says:

    Drudge

    McConnell wants Sessions for Senate

  650. Jonesy says:

    Daily Caller

    Top NBC exec fired for Sex Misconduct

  651. Robbie says:

    Yeah, this isn’t a big story.

    Jonathan Lemire?
    @JonLemire

    When they ducked backstage, Xi summoned his interpreter and posed an inquiry to Trump:

    “Who is Roy Moore?” Xi asked

  652. Todd McCain says:

    SESSIONS!

    That would be a coup.

  653. Jonesy says:

    661. Be relevant Robbie

  654. Redmen4ever says:

    Speaking of cruising for girls. When Louisiana Governor Edwin Edwards was asked about cruising the campus of LSU in his official state limo, cruising for girls, he replied, “Would you rather I was cruising for boys?”

    If we needed a write-in candidate in Alabama, I suggest Bear Bryant.

  655. Waingro says:

    More details. Moore’s sudden demise might actually HELP in getting panicked GOP to ram through an actual good piece of legislation. (Not a fan of Alexander-Murray bailout provision, but it’s a means to an end.) Get it done!

    Mike DeBonis?Verified account @mikedebonis

    @SenJohnThune CONFIRMS:
    -Individual mandate repeal will be added to tax bill in SFC.
    -They have 50 votes on the floor.
    -Passing Alexander-Murray alongside (not within the tax bill) is part of the deal.

  656. Wes says:

    I just had to claim that one.

  657. Waingro says:

    #658, Robbie, same here. I admittedly jumped the gun yesterday when I saw that Hannity had seemingly turned on Moore. I figured he had gotten a cue from his master.

    But today that does NOT seem to be the case.

  658. Paul says:

    Drudge is as left-wing as the Wall Street Journal these days.

  659. Jonesy says:

    Wain, to be fair. Hannity is really talking about Uranium one today

  660. mnw says:

    Wes RE: 666

    It’s YOU, alright.

  661. Wes says:

    🙂 Mnw.

  662. NYCmike says:

    “@SenJohnThune CONFIRMS:
    -Individual mandate repeal will be added to tax bill in SFC.
    -They have 50 votes on the floor.
    -Passing Alexander-Murray alongside (not within the tax bill) is part of the deal.”

    -Surprising that Rand Paul would go for this. I guess he asked for the repeal of the mandate in exchange for more expansion of government put forth by “conservative” Lamar Alexander…..

  663. Robbie says:

    This tweet formed the basis of a Gateway Pundit story that good ole Roy and his wife passed around on social media.

    Lachlan Markay?
    @lachlan

    The troll who claimed a WaPo reporter offered a Moore victim “1000$” appears to have stolen a slain Navy SEAL’s identity

  664. Truther says:

    According to reports, Joe Biden is an abuser of women and girls.

  665. Jonesy says:

    When polling comes out, I would really like to see the non Soviet polling. No PPP, Quinn, Robbie Pollsters, etc..

    Who are the right leaning pollsters that will not help prop up Moore?

    1. Trafalgar
    2. Gravis

    Anybody

  666. Jonesy says:

    Election 4 weeks from today?

  667. Jonesy says:

    675. Pictures of Biden are pretty bad, Truther. No photos of Moore yet

  668. Waingro says:

    Heh, well looks like Schumer is now balking. Mitchy should then tell him to shove it when he asks for a clean vote on Alexander-Murray.

    Paul Kane?Verified account @pkcapitol

    Paul Kane Retweeted Mike DeBonis

    “We don’t need to trade it for a tax bill & we won’t.”
    – Schumer says Dems won’t support Alexander-Murray if it’s part of GOP trade for tax + repeal of ACA mandate.

  669. Robbie says:

    Good ole Roy seems to be melting down on Twitter this afternoon.

    Judge Roy Moore?
    @MooreSenate

    McConnell at the Bat

    Republican Primary 8/15: STRIKE 1
    Republican Runoff 9/26: STRIKE 2
    General Election 12/12: TBD

    3 STRIKES AND YOU’RE OUT, MITCH. #ALSEN

  670. Wes says:

    Biden is also a racist. He also hasn’t held any political office since 1-20-2017.

  671. NYCmike says:

    Someone please remind me why McConnell went after Mo Brooks in the primary, and also how Mitch did not uncover these things about Moore while spending $30 million?

  672. Jonesy says:

    673. Whatever it takes Mike. Ridding the mandate will be very popular with the Middle Class

  673. Jonesy says:

    681. Tell that to Robbie and Bitter, Wes. Along with Bush 1, Biden and Clinton are not all that bad

  674. Wes says:

    McConnell didn’t think Moore was a threat, Mikey. Who would have thought a guy twice tossed off a stste supreme court would be a viable Senate candidate?

    I wouldn’t.

  675. Jonesy says:

    680. You are a expert on melting down, Robbie.

    11/08/16

  676. Wes says:

    Moore thinks McConnell is behind this.

    Can you say delusional?

  677. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 4:27 pm
    680. You are a expert on melting down, Robbie.
    11/08/16

    – Watching the wild swings in emotion you exhibit each day is something to behold.

    You like Moore. You don’t like Moore. Then you sorta like Moore, but sorta don’t.

  678. NYCmike says:

    “Ridding the mandate will be very popular with the Middle Class”

    -My wife and I are trying to figure out what to do for next year…..premiums are going up about 15%, and it was already pretty steep to begin with….I may have to give up drinking (NOOOO!!) and look into Medishare.

    Does anyone use that service?

  679. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 14, 2017 at 4:28 pm
    Moore thinks McConnell is behind this.
    Can you say delusional?

    – It suggests to me Moore has seen polling suggesting his base is cracking. Attacking McConnell is like Trump resorting to attacking Hillary when he gets in a bind.

  680. NYCmike says:

    “McConnell didn’t think Moore was a threat, Mikey. Who would have thought a guy twice tossed off a stste supreme court would be a viable Senate candidate?”

    -Weren’t all of the polls showing Moore in the lead? I can’t recall.

  681. Truther says:

    We all know that Hillary Clinton is held in very high regard in these parts.

  682. Phil says:

    Yeah, I don’t buy that McConnell is behind this. I don’t even think Moore really believes that.

  683. Phil says:

    690

    Yep, an effort to turn the light on McConnell to shore up his base.

    Too late, Roy.

  684. Jonesy says:

    Phil, this is turning into a state rights thing now.

  685. Jonesy says:

    McConnell was not behind this, but he took the opening

  686. Phil says:

    696

    Probably so.

  687. Jonesy says:

    689. Heard it is good Mike. Ind rate at about $150 I believe, do not know about family.

    Of course you could run for Congress and get the Gold Star no premium John McCain plan

  688. Redmen4ever says:

    In the first round, all polls showed a run-off with Moore and Strange. All but the last showed it to be close. In the run-off, all polls showed Moore an easy winner.

  689. Jonesy says:

    688. Robbie to much time on your hands to follow all my posts.

    Were you grounded for drinking again?

  690. Jonesy says:

    Emotions are uneasy because of the precedent set here by 40 year old charges.

    Moore is a Piece of Sh$t. The Shopping Mall ban turned me, but also I am terrified that GOP Senators and candidates are now fair game for the MSM in 2018.

    And it will be one of your GopE Darlings that gets nailed, Robbie? Who needs evidence.

    Dean Heller looked at me in the Hot Tub- WaPo 9/1/2018

  691. Bitterlaw says:

    Top NBC exec fired for Sex Misconduct

    NYC to denounce the firing as a smear job in 3…2…1…Wait! If it was a member of the MSM it must be true. Never mind.

  692. Robbie says:

    The WSJ has a story out tonight that McConnell wants Sessions to run as a write-in. That’s fine, but it suggests Kay Ivey is unwilling to postpone the election.

    I must ask once again. What is her problem? Why won’t she help the party? Delay the election, have the party throw Moore off the ballot, and then reschedule the race outside the 76 day period to reprint the ballot.

  693. Bitterlaw says:

    684 Zzzzzzzzzz. Jonesy forgives Trump and even ignores Trump’s own words.

  694. Waingro says:

    Drip….drip…..

    The Daily Beast?Verified account @thedailybeast
    7m7 minutes ago

    Steve Bannon and allies have second thoughts about Roy Moore, sources say

  695. Waingro says:

    #706, what a whirlwind this has been.

  696. Phil says:

    703

    That’s my question as well, Robbie. Unless the election is delayed the 76 days and Moore is booted off the ballot, Sessions will split the R vote with Moore and Jones wins with a vote in the high 30s or low 40s.

    What the hell is the governor’s problem anyway? This is another example of the Republican Party living up to it’s rep – the party of stupid.

    Anyone here think if the situation was reversed that ANY blue state Democratic governor would for one second delay putting off the election? Anyone?

  697. Robbie says:

    Roy Moore channels Todd Akin.

    ABC News?
    @ABC

    NEW: Roy Moore has informed his campaign staff he intends to see his race through, despite mounting allegations of sexual misconduct and the growing number of Republicans telling him to step aside. -@TomLlamasABC.

  698. Phil says:

    Bannon has second thought?

    Way to go, Steve. NOW you have second thoughts?

    What a brilliant guy.

  699. Phil says:

    Roy Moore IS Akin.

    Suicide bomber mentality.

  700. Robbie says:

    Phil

    I get the sense everyone is waiting for Trump to get back from Asia tonight.

    The state party in Alabama can throw Moore off the ballot whether he wants it or not. If they do that, then the governor can postpone the election.

    I think Trump’s nutty, but even he has to understand the perils of losing this seat for his agenda.

  701. Robbie says:

    Shelby carries weight in Alabama.

    Ben Jacobs?
    @Bencjacobs

    Richard Shelby says he’d like to see another candidate in Alabama’s Senate race and nodded his head when asked if state GOP should pull its support

  702. NYCmike says:

    “NYC to denounce the firing as a smear job in 3…2…1…Wait! If it was a member of the MSM it must be true. Never mind.”

    -Wouldn’t the person just call a good lawyer and sue the company if it isn’t true? There are legal remedies available, as opposed to a political dispute……but of course, you already knew that.

  703. Phil says:

    You would think so, Robbie. Surely Trump isn’t stupid enough to actually think any Republican (Sessions included) is going to win a write in campaign with Moore on the ballot? Trump has a lot to lose here. He will need that vote probably multiple times in the coming three years.

    Do you think they are polling as we speak a write in race before they get serious about booting Moore out? Could that be the delay?

  704. Waingro says:

    #713, the way to convince Trump is to whisper in his ear that his “wonderful” tax cut plan that supposedly is the “biggest tax cut in history!!” might go belly up if Moore stays in the race.

    Either that or find some random quote somewhere where Moore even tangentially criticized him. Those always requires IMMEDIATE twitter responses from POTUS.

  705. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 14, 2017 at 5:07 pm

    Do you think they are polling as we speak a write in race before they get serious about booting Moore out? Could that be the delay?

    – Almost certainly yes.

    Just imagine what a loss means. Panic for the GOP, increased likelihood of Democrat Senate takeover in 2018, and the inability to confirm judges in 2019 and 2020 if Schumer is Majority Leader.

  706. Bitterlaw says:

    Remember when many people thought that 2018 would be a good year for the GOP because of vulnerable Dem Senators in red states? Ummmm. Might be time to rethink that. Maybe.

  707. Chicon says:

    Just a note for accuracy purposes…..pedophilia specifically involves sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Moore’s targets were not prepubescent, so he’s not a pedophile. He’s simply a creep. Changes nothing on the issues.

  708. Truther says:

    Shelby can really weigh in. I am glad he spoke up.

  709. Waingro says:

    #720, the better spin now Bitter is thank GOD more Dem seats are on the table this year to help mitigate the ensuing damage ahead.

  710. Truther says:

    President Trump will be making a major soeech upon his return. We do not yet know on what.

  711. Bitterlaw says:

    Waingro – I was ripped for saying in 2016 that it was too early to predict what would happen in 2018.

  712. Waingro says:

    #725, hope I wasn’t one of them who ripped. If anything the results of 2016 should give pause to make ANY type of long term election predictions.

  713. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    718. “Just imagine what a loss means. Panic for the GOP, increased likelihood of Democrat Senate takeover in 2018, and the inability to confirm judges in 2019 and 2020 if Schumer is Majority Leader.”

    Means nothing of the sort. Alabama politics does not reflect the nation. The national Republicans had repudiated Moore.

  714. Trump says:

    If Moore is thrown off ballot and the election is rescheduled, why wouldn’t he run again in the reelection?

  715. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 14, 2017 at 5:40 pm
    718. “Just imagine what a loss means. Panic for the GOP, increased likelihood of Democrat Senate takeover in 2018, and the inability to confirm judges in 2019 and 2020 if Schumer is Majority Leader.”
    Means nothing of the sort. Alabama politics does not reflect the nation. The national Republicans had repudiated Moore.

    – Yes, it does present those potential problems. If Jones wins, the Senate is 51-49 with AZ and NV looking iffy at best. If 2018 is a bloodbath, it’s conceivable every Democrat sneaks by and AZ and NV go down. That means 51-49 with Schumer in control.

  716. Trump says:

    Panic for the GOP is good.

    Maybe the lying creepy weasels could pass a bill.

  717. Redmen4ever says:

    Colonel G. Lucas: Your mission is to proceed up the Nung River in a Navy patrol boat. Pick up Colonel Kurtz’s path at Nu Mung Ba, follow it, and learn what you can along the way. When you find the Colonel, infiltrate his team by whatever means available and terminate the Colonel’s command.

    Captain Benjamin L. Willard: Terminate the Colonel?

    General Corman: He’s out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond the pale of any acceptable human conduct. And he is still in the field commanding troops.

    Jerry: Terminate with extreme prejudice.

    Colonel G. Lucas: You understand, Captain, that this mission does not exist, nor will it ever exist.

  718. Robbie says:

    Trump says:
    November 14, 2017 at 5:40 pm
    If Moore is thrown off ballot and the election is rescheduled, why wouldn’t he run again in the reelection?

    – He could mount a write-in effort, but it would not be a new election. The party central committee would chose a candidate to replace Moore. There would be no new primary, just a continuation of this campaign with a different nominee.

  719. Trump says:

    10+ months, and counting.

    What are the results of GOP Congress?

  720. Phil says:

    Unless McSally beats Ward I think we lose Arizona. Heller is only a slight favorite ASSUMING he even gets through the primary against Tarkanian the reliably losing candidate. Losing Alabama puts the GOP at 49. Now, I suppose you could make the argument that the GOP will pick up at least one Democratic seat out of ND, Mo, Mt, Indiana, Ohio, or Florida….but damn, who wants to risk that?

  721. Trump says:

    Brokered convention, idiot?

  722. Trump says:

    Why is Heller any kind of favorite? He barely got 45% in his first run, and NV has trended more Dem since.

  723. Phil says:

    I should include Indiana in that list of states.

  724. Phil says:

    Even money at best then.

  725. Robbie says:

    Can Roy take the hint, though?

    Alex Isenstadt?
    @politicoalex

    BREAKING: RNC withdraws support for Roy Moore. Story tk…

  726. Trump says:

    Why does the GOP even want to keep the Senate? Or the House?

    Is there some agenda it wants to advance?

  727. Phil says:

    739

    They have actually passed an agenda in the House. Senate? It’s where the Republican blowhards like McCain, Flake, Corker reside. No agenda – just constant pandering to the MSM.

  728. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    701. “The Shopping Mall ban turned me, but also I am terrified that GOP Senators and candidates are now fair game for the MSM in 2018.”

    Why? Did they all hang out at the same shopping mall as Moore?

    The national Republican Party always opposed Moore, and their opposition has proven to be justified. My prediction is the Alabama governor will, after due deliberation, decide to continue the date of the election. Moore’s political career has the future lifespan of a Thanksgiving turkey.

    Robbie needs to take a break from his concerned troll/prophet of doom roll. The “woe, woe, woe unto you, thus sayeth Robbie” monologue is getting old.

  729. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    728. “If 2018 is a bloodbath, it’s conceivable every Democrat sneaks by and AZ and NV go down. That means 51-49 with Schumer in control.”

    Why would it be a bloodbath?

  730. Phil says:

    The problem isn’t Moore’s political career. It is over one way or the other. The problem is losing that one senate vote from Alabama and how to get some Republican to beat Jones.

    The governor is an idiot unless she puts off the election.

  731. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 14, 2017 at 5:57 pm
    728. “If 2018 is a bloodbath, it’s conceivable every Democrat sneaks by and AZ and NV go down. That means 51-49 with Schumer in control.”
    Why would it be a bloodbath?

    – Is this a serious question? Have been watching the last 10 months? Have you noticed Trump’s approval rating? Have you noticed what the generic ballot shows right now? Have you noticed all of the turmoil the party has endured?

  732. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 14, 2017 at 5:58 pm
    The problem isn’t Moore’s political career. It is over one way or the other. The problem is losing that one senate vote from Alabama and how to get some Republican to beat Jones.
    The governor is an idiot unless she puts off the election.

    – I have to believe she is waiting for guidance from Trump. If not, then she is an idiot.

  733. Phil says:

    So she is waiting for guidance from Trump?

    God help us.

  734. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 14, 2017 at 6:04 pm
    So she is waiting for guidance from Trump?
    God help us.

    – My thoughts exactly.

  735. Cash Cow TM says:

    Say….do any of you all here want to sign my high school yearbook?

  736. Gelt Goose says:

    Honk!!!

  737. Waingro says:

    “Panic for the GOP is good.

    Maybe the lying creepy weasels could pass a bill.”

    Hey what do you know, I actually agree with SG on something.

  738. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Roy Moore +6–49/43– in new Alabama Senate Poll concluded last night. Down from +11 last week.Robbie is sad.

    http://www.fox10tv.com/story/36842388/undecided-voters-may-hold-key-to-moorejones-race

  739. gameboy says:

    This Roy Moore guy is a creep for sure. With that being said he MUST run and win. We can’t let the MSM get away with this stunt. If their antics work on forcing Moore out of the race expect 10 bogus allegations for every GOP candidate running in 2018. Fortunately for the Dems and MSM showed their cars too far in advance of the special election and this nonsense will be forgotten by then.

  740. Truther says:

    @AnnCoulter

    BUSH FAMILY QUIZ! Which number is greater: Delegates won by Jeb! in 2016 or women groped by his father at age 93?

  741. Jonesy says:

    Steeple, could be a prop up poll. What does Trafalgar say?

  742. Trump says:

    “lawmakers-describe-pervasive-sexual-harassment-on-capitol-hill”

    They need to name names.

  743. Jonesy says:

    753. Ouch!

    Bush Zombies Bitter and Robbie upset

  744. Jonesy says:

    755. The names will be a swing sweet Republican of course.

    Will be called to resign by GOPE within 30 seconds

  745. Trump says:

    “Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA) informed NBC’s Chuck Todd on Tuesday that $15 million in taxpayer money had been paid out over the years to settle sexual harassment suits filed against members of Congress.

    Earlier in the day, Speier testified in front of the House Administration Committee that two members of Congress, a Republican and a Democrat, have engaged in sexual harassment in the past.”

    Bring it on.

  746. Trump says:

    “Rep. Barbara Comstock (R-Va.) offered another example. She shared a story of a male lawmaker — still in Congress — who asked a young female staffer to bring materials to his residence. He opened the door dressed in only a towel, invited her inside and proceeded to expose himself.

    The staffer subsequently quit her job.”

    Comstock wouldn’t be lying, would she?

  747. Truther says:

    I sincerely doubt that McConnell, the majority leader, would be involved in any harassment.

  748. Trump says:

    Name the creeps.

  749. Jonesy says:

    It begins.Late ww2 hero and dem senator being accused of dirty talk by female senators. Let’s run his legacy.

    I told you all, nobody safe, not even the dead

  750. Jonesy says:

    762. Hawaii, Dan innouye

  751. Jonesy says:

    Penn state house speaker to run for governor against Wolfe.

    Must not see a so called wave

  752. Jonesy says:

    760. Since when does that matter. Robbie’ s feminist pals at the post could take down Mitch within a week

  753. Trump says:

    McConnell looks like a creep. No one can be that chinless without being a creep.

  754. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #754
    This pollster has polled the AL Senate race each week for the past month. I do not believe it is a “prop-up poll” since it shows some loss in Moore’s electability.

  755. Jonesy says:

    Thanks sheep

  756. Jonesy says:

    RRH doomer squad slitting wrists like 2016 with Moore poll

  757. Jonesy says:

    Phil a trump basher today? Did Robbie spike your drink?

  758. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    744. – “Is this a serious question? Have been watching the last 10 months? Have you noticed Trump’s approval rating? Have you noticed what the generic ballot shows right now? Have you noticed all of the turmoil the party has endured”

    Have you noticed that the Republicans have won all five special elections to fill congressional seats in 2017?

    You are giving the same doom and gloom predictions that you did before the November 2016 election. How did that turn out for you?

    Its too early to predict what will happen in 2018.

  759. Trump says:

    Notice that the cretin Robbie did not mention GOP Congress’s 8% job approval rating?

  760. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    769. “RRH doomer squad slitting wrists like 2016 with Moore poll.”

    Troll drama queens at work.

  761. MichiganGuy says:

     “Former Joe Biden Secret Service Agent: We Had to Protect Women From Him, ‘Weinstein Level Stuff’”

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/exclusive-former-joe-biden-secret-service-agent-protect-women-weinstein-level-stuff/
    —————————————————-
    The same people that are attacking Moore go silent when it comes to Biden. Sad.

  762. Jonesy says:

    FWIW

    Stepson of Moore accuser, Beverley Nelson, says she is lying for money and crazy.

    He is voting for Moore 100%

  763. Jonesy says:

    Mich, robbie does not allow Gateway pundit to be quoted here. Not credible

    They only predicted a Trump Victory all thru 2016, unlike Slobbie

  764. Jonesy says:

    Biden is a creep, along with the rapist Bill Clinton.

    GopE could care less, because Biden bought Drinks in the senate Dining Room

  765. Jonesy says:

    SD, Robbie did not even have the guts to predict the Va Gov race.

    The Gen Ballots he is quoting is from d+15 samplers Marist and the like

  766. Bitterlaw says:

    Bush Zombies Bitter and Robbie upset

    Zzzzzzzzz Trump’s biggest apologist for his treating women like dirt has found his theme for the week. I said I disapproved of GHWB’s actions towards women. Jonesy made lame excuses for Trump’s actions and words.

  767. MichiganGuy says:

    Jonesy, I know this place is an echo chamber. They claim to be Republicans yet they attack anyone that the democrats hate.

  768. Bitterlaw says:

    Wolfe will be re-elected. Book it. He is so quiet that he could almost pretend to be a challenger rather than the incumbent.

  769. Jonesy says:

    Zzzzzzzz. Bitter. GopE apologist

  770. Bitterlaw says:

    The Trumpers are trying to make this an echo chamber. It will not work. People are not required to agree with Trump on everything in order to post here.

    Here is a positive statement about Trump. It appears that he helped get the UCLA basketball punks released from China. Hopefully, UCLA kicks them off the team when they get back to campus.

  771. Jonesy says:

    Mich, Moore is a creep, but what if his supporters in alabama put out some stuff about Jones’ Sexual Past?

  772. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, you protect Bush 1. Even after he was accused by a 16 year old of hard groping, 13 firckin years ago, way before he got sick.

    At least I admit Moore is a creep.

    Not one allegation about Trump has been about a Minor

  773. Bitterlaw says:

    Jonesy – Did you say you have a daughter? Maybe it was MG. If so, how did you explain the “grab them by the p*ssy” comment to her? Must have been a pretty proud moment for the Trump lovers in your family.

  774. Jonesy says:

    One of Biden’s Sec Service agents says he is a pervert. that is credible. not a 40 year accusation.

    Are you going to turn the other way on that too bitter?

    Be consistent

  775. Jonesy says:

    It was awful Bitter, but it was talk, not physical action

  776. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    784. “Mich, Moore is a creep, but what if his supporters in alabama put out some stuff about Jones’ Sexual Past?”

    Did they work different sides of the same mall?

  777. Bitterlaw says:

    Bitter, you protect Bush 1.

    Liar. Show me the post where I justified it or excused it or STFU.

    Not one allegation about Trump has been about a Minor

    You always ignore the “If I wasn’t her father I would date her” comment. You also ignore the creepy photo of young teenage Ivanka on his lap. Creepy photo.

  778. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 14, 2017 at 7:13 pm
    Roy Moore +6–49/43– in new Alabama Senate Poll concluded last night. Down from +11 last week.Robbie is sad.
    http://www.fox10tv.com/story/36842388/undecided-voters-may-hold-key-to-moorejones-race

    – You are right. I don’t want a sexual assaulter to be part of the Republican Party.

    What’s sad is you’re willing to look past Moore’s sexual assault simply because he has a R next to his name.

    You should be embarrassed, but I know you’re not.

  779. MichiganGuy says:

    #786 BL, how did you explain to your daughter that you voted for Trump? 🙂

  780. Jonesy says:

    Bitter last post on this topic. do you still respect the liberal women in your area, that support Rapist Bill Clinton to this day?

  781. Bitterlaw says:

    It was awful Bitter, but it was talk, not physical action

    Sure. Saint Trump just talks a big game. Never acts.

  782. Jonesy says:

    790. bitter, you are better than Robbie. Silly. Ivanka on his lap? Come on, that is lame

  783. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 14, 2017 at 8:21 pm

    Have you noticed that the Republicans have won all five special elections to fill congressional seats in 2017?
    You are giving the same doom and gloom predictions that you did before the November 2016 election. How did that turn out for you?
    Its too early to predict what will happen in 2018.

    Did you notice that in the four special elections this Spring, the Republican won with half of the margin that was won with last November? Did you happen to notice what happened in Virginia last week?

    – You are fooling yourself if you think Republicans are in good shape going into 2018. I’ve got some bad news for you. Hillary Clinton won’t be on the ballot in 2018 to mobilize voters to turn out against her as they did last year.

  784. Jonesy says:

    791. Robbie until you and the Vichy Republican wing can find a real solution to getting him off the ballot or a write in that can win. Then stop whining.

    I want to hold the damn seat, but I see no action by the elites to do that.

  785. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Moore stalks underage girls at a shopping mail, and the Republicans quickly disavow him; Anthony Weiner stalks and sends explicit texts to underage girls, and Hillary Clinton’s places confidential E-mails on his laptop.

    Interesting contrast.

  786. Trump says:

    “ou are right. I don’t want a sexual assaulter to be part of the Republican Party.”

    Isn’t GWH Bush a part of the Republican Party?

  787. Jonesy says:

    796. So you are saying the GOP loses the House and Senate Robbie, or will you cower like Virginia and double speak

  788. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 8:28 pm
    Mich, robbie does not allow Gateway pundit to be quoted here. Not credible
    They only predicted a Trump Victory all thru 2016, unlike Slobbie

    – That’s right. Gateway Pundit is a conspiracy theorist. He used a tweet from that discredited account to write a story Moore has referenced that the Washington Post paid “1000$” for anti-Moore stories.

  789. Bitterlaw says:

    #786 BL, how did you explain to your daughter that you voted for Trump?

    She begged me not to vote for him I told her that Donald Trump is a vile scumbag who treats women like dirt and that she should never be alone with anybody like him – ever. I said that Hillary is a corrupt liar who protected her vile scumbag husband for treating women like dirt. Since both had no respect for women, I said I was voting for the scumbag who would appoint better judges.

    I don’t like or respect any Democrats in regard to their politics. Some are decent people when we discuss softball.

  790. Trump says:

    Cretin Robbie, you have been preaching the same doom for 2 years.

    There’s only so much “crying wolf” in a lifetime, as*hole.

  791. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 8:31 pm
    SD, Robbie did not even have the guts to predict the Va Gov race.
    The Gen Ballots he is quoting is from d+15 samplers Marist and the like

    – I’m not quoting a single poll. I’m using the RCP average. And I guarantee that you would be using RCP if the average told you what you wanted to hear.

  792. MichiganGuy says:

    #792 I guess bitterlaw doesn’t want to answer my question. 🙂

  793. Jonesy says:

    791. Robbie, unlike you, I will put it out there.

    IF moore wins the election, I have no problem with him being booted by the Bama GOP or the Senate.

    Just keep the seat

  794. Trump says:

    Brokered convention, as*hole?

  795. MichiganGuy says:

    Oh, my bad I didn’t see #802

  796. Proud Obamacon says:

    Rejoice yall! Rush El Fatso says it’s all good cuz Romeo Roy was a Democrat when he molested the little girls ! Those evil Dems LOLLL

  797. Trump says:

    Are you talking about Bill Clinton, pOS?

  798. Truther says:

    I have some bad news….

  799. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 8:54 pm
    791. Robbie until you and the Vichy Republican wing can find a real solution to getting him off the ballot or a write in that can win. Then stop whining.
    I want to hold the damn seat, but I see no action by the elites to do that.

    – Jonesy’s daily swing of emotions is something to watch.

    He likes Moore. He doesn’t like Moore. Now, he’s willing to see a sex predator who assaulted a 14 year old and a 16 year old win simply because that person is not a Democrat.

  800. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    796. Robbie, my hunch is your stellar records of incorrect election results will continue into 2018. My hunch is it will be a mixed bag, some Democratic gains, and Republican holds. See the Republicans continuing to hold the Senate, maybe gaining a seat or two.

  801. MichiganGuy says:

    #802 BL than your a hypocrite because, with that logic you should be supporting Moore even though you can’t vote for him.

  802. Jonesy says:

    Robbie you sure spent a lot of time tracking my posts. Are you a stalker or what?

  803. Truther says:

    I am happy whenever a Democrat politician wins, no matter what.

  804. Bitterlaw says:

    IF moore wins the election, I have no problem with him being booted by the Bama GOP or the Senate. Just keep the seat

    I actually agree with Jonesy. I think Moore loses if he stays in but I don’t get a vote. Alabama voters own this disaster.

  805. MichiganGuy says:

    Truther you and Robbie have something in common.

  806. Robbie says:

    The fact some are willing to see a sex predator of young teens win simply because they believe a Democrat can’t be elected says everything about the state of the party in the age of Trump. Nothing matters. Certainly not ethics or morality.

  807. Jonesy says:

    At least I know where Obamacaon stands on issues.

    Robbie says he would vote for Late Abort Jones as a Catholic, and then says he is a conservative.

    Sybil

  808. MichiganGuy says:

    Roy Moore is going to win and if, the Republicans try to block him from becoming a Senator there will be a civil war in the Republican party.

  809. Truther says:

    As a Democrat, I can tell you ethics and morality do not matter at all.

  810. Bitterlaw says:

    #802 BL than your a hypocrite because, with that logic you should be supporting Moore even though you can’t vote for him.

    Why? Are there allegations against Jones, too? Moore is an alleged perv. If Jones was an alleged perv it would be a tie and we go to the tiebreaker of issues.

    I am not supporting Jones. I always hope the Democrat loses. However, I think that if Moore stays in, Jones wins.

  811. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:00 pm
    796. Robbie, my hunch is your stellar records of incorrect election results will continue into 2018. My hunch is it will be a mixed bag, some Democratic gains, and Republican holds. See the Republicans continuing to hold the Senate, maybe gaining a seat or two.

    – I got 2016 wrong just like most here did. My track record here in 2004, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, and 2014 was good though.

    You are choosing to ignore data that has always been decisive in midterm elections: president’s job approval and the generic ballot.

  812. Jonesy says:

    820. Moral Robbie. you post sex insults all the time, mostly directed at me.

    Electing a democrat who supports PP plan to abort at 8 months does not bother Wobbles.

  813. Trump says:

    As*hole, is Bush Sr a Republican or not?

  814. Bitterlaw says:

    Roy Moore is going to win

    Well, MG blew the Virginia prediction. Maybe he will get this one right.

  815. Robbie says:

    MichiganGuy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:04 pm
    Roy Moore is going to win and if, the Republicans try to block him from becoming a Senator there will be a civil war in the Republican party.

    – Good. The sooner we put down the Bannon wing, the better. He and his “send a message” followers need to be shown the door just as the John Birchers were.

  816. Jonesy says:

    Bitter did you support Tom Corbett? He protected Sandusky right?

  817. Trump says:

    I thought John Kasich was the one leaving the party.

  818. MichiganGuy says:

    #824 BL, you said you voted for Trump for conservative judges. Roy Moore with support Trump’s nominees. Nobody knows what Jones will do but, I say he sides with the dems and votes no.

  819. Jonesy says:

    GOP lost the war in 2016, and Bannon won.

    GOP are wimps

  820. Truther says:

    Bush Sr is our bff. We Democrats love him. We like that he voted for Hillary Clinton.

  821. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Roy Moore is going to win and if, the Republicans try to block him from becoming a Senator there will be a civil war in the Republican party.”

    One can hope! LOL

  822. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:07 pm
    Roy Moore is going to win
    Well, MG blew the Virginia prediction. Maybe he will get this one right.
    ——————————————————-
    and what did you and most people in here predicted?

  823. Jonesy says:

    828. You blew Penn and the the POTUS race, Bitter

  824. Trump says:

    It seems sexual predators have an affinity to each other.

    Bush and Clinton. Peas in a pod.

  825. Jonesy says:

    836. robbie did not predict Va, Mich. Just gloated

  826. Truther says:

    In politics, it would be fair to critcize all sides. Bill Clinton for the raping, Bush, Sr, formthe groping, and Moore for being a pedo.

    However, politics is not bean bag.

  827. Jonesy says:

    838, and Biden

  828. Trump says:

    I want to hear the names of Congress sexual predators from Barbara Comstock.

  829. Robbie says:

    If Bannon and the “send a message” crowd had their ways over the past few years, there’d be no RepublicanSenate majority.

    Why? We’d have had Milton Wolf, Greg Brannon, Chris McDaniel, Matt Bevin, and all of the other idiots who cost us seats in 2010 and 2012 like COD, Buck, Mourdock, Angle, and the rest.

  830. Jonesy says:

    If the GopE had any street smarts, they would, behind closed doors, start a smear of sex crimes on Jones, and make sure there are no traces back to them

  831. Trump says:

    If elected, Moore will fit right in.

  832. Trump says:


    Robbie says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    If Bannon and the “send a message” crowd had their ways over the past few years, there’d be no RepublicanSenate majority.

    Why? We’d have had Milton Wolf, Greg Brannon, Chris McDaniel, Matt Bevin, and all of the other idiots who cost us seats in 2010 and 2012 like COD, Buck, Mourdock, Angle, and the rest.”

    Was that bad?

    What will the GOP do with a majority anyway?

  833. Jonesy says:

    843. Toomey, Burr, Blunt, Ron Johnson all would have lost without Trump on the ticket in 2016

  834. Proud Obamacon says:

    “If the GopE had any street smarts, they would, behind closed doors, start a smear of sex crimes on Jones, and make sure there are no traces back to them”

    Wow Jonesy openly calling for illegal activities. No shame. Wow

  835. Jonesy says:

    Bevin is the Governor of you state Meatloaf. and a good one

  836. Jonesy says:

    Why not. Good enough for Eric Holder

  837. Truther says:

    When Nancy and Reid were in power, we got a lot done.

  838. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:14 pm
    843. Toomey, Burr, Blunt, Ron Johnson all would have lost without Trump on the ticket in 2016

    – Except all got more votes than Trump received on election day.

  839. Jonesy says:

    Look at all the Senate Seats elite Romney blew in 2012

  840. Proud Obamacon says:

    Keep talking Jonesy, tell us more about how you would pull off the illegal activities. Who do you want to frame?

  841. Trump says:

    “– Except all got more votes than Trump received on election day.”

    Trump received 63m votes on election day, cretin Robbie.

    How stupid can you get?

  842. Jonesy says:

    He brought them out. Jeb would have lost Wisconsin by 10 points, doomed Johnson

  843. MichiganGuy says:

    Truther says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:16 pm
    When Nancy and Reid were in power, we got a lot done.
    ———————————————
    That is why we are in the mess we are in today. Bad healthcare, trillions in debt…

  844. Jonesy says:

    854. The Door of your studio apartment in Berkely

  845. Robbie says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:17 pm
    Look at all the Senate Seats elite Romney blew in 2012

    – Yeah, that had nothing to do with lackluster candidates like Mourdock, Akin, Thompson, and Connie Mack.

  846. Truther says:

    That is not correct. Blunt got less votes than Trump.

    https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/missouri

    My favorite website for elections.

  847. Robbie says:

    Trump says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:17 pm
    “– Except all got more votes than Trump received on election day.”
    Trump received 63m votes on election day, cretin Robbie.
    How stupid can you get?

    – I know you’re a fool, but each of those candidates got more votes in their state than Trump received.

  848. Jonesy says:

    Schumer would be going thru Jones garbage cans at this point. No remorse

    Our side, has Cafeteria Catholics who would rather vote for a pro 8 Month term abortion Candidate, just have the high ground with his Country Club Friends

  849. Trump says:

    “Donald J. Trump Republican 304 EVs”

    How many EVs did Toomey, Burr, Johnson, Blunt get, as*wipe Robbie?

  850. Trump says:

    Was Trump running to get more votes than the senators in those states, douchebag Robbie?

  851. Truther says:

    Also, Too,ey recived less votes.

    Poster Robbie is incorrect.

  852. Jonesy says:

    Connie Mack was a RINO. MT, Wisconsin seat , GopE busts

  853. Bitterlaw says:

    Corbett prosecuted Sandusky. He did not protect him. I recall that the prosecution convicted Sandusky on all but one case.

  854. Trump says:

    Poster Robbie is a hateful moth herfuc king idiot who has no connection to reality.

    Driven only by his creepy love for some kook called Jeb Bush.

  855. Jonesy says:

    Mitt got 206

    McShame 173

    Bush 2 – 271

    Bush 2- 286

  856. Truther says:

    Missouir was won by Trump by the largest margin that I have seen, i was born in Missouri and lived therr until age 23.

  857. Robbie says:

    Truther says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:23 pm
    Also, Too,ey recived less votes.
    Poster Robbie is incorrect.

    – I stand corrected. Thank you.

  858. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, he was a Penn State Trustee when Sandusky was on the prowl. The reason he lost to Wolfe

  859. Trump says:

    It is morons like him who cannot figure out that the presidential race is a race to 270EVs, not to beat the senate candidate in some state.

  860. Bitterlaw says:

    837 MG blew last week’s prediction on Virginia. Now he expects us to believe his prediction of a Moore win?

  861. Robbie says:

    Trump says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:24 pm
    Poster Robbie is a hateful moth herfuc king idiot who has no connection to reality.
    Driven only by his creepy love for some kook called Jeb Bush.

    – This is rich coming from a Democrat like you who is here simply to troll.

  862. Trump says:

    No wonder this stupid douche cannot process that Jeb lost. With this kind of cognitive dissonance, it is not a surprise.

  863. Bitterlaw says:

    836 I predicted Northam would win.

  864. Trump says:

    What are you here for, cretin douche Robbie?

  865. Jonesy says:

    875. Trump a Democrat? That is rich coming from a Doug Jones supporter

  866. Jonesy says:

    Jeb was a good candidate on paper, but America did not want a 3rd Bush. Iraq was the death blow

  867. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:26 pm
    837 MG blew last week’s prediction on Virginia. Now he expects us to believe his prediction of a Moore win?
    ——————————————————-
    BL, you can believe whatever you want. Most polls show he is leading. I guess the polls are wrong?

  868. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    822. “Roy Moore is going to win and if, the Republicans try to block him from becoming a Senator there will be a civil war in the Republican party.”

    Is that a joke. How many states other than Alabama would Moore even be a serious contender? Your civil war will happen in a few states in the deep south. Where is Strom Thurmond when you need him?

  869. Waingro says:

    “Toomey, Burr, Blunt, Ron Johnson all would have lost without Trump on the ticket in 2016”

    Burr and Johnson outperformed Trump in total votes and Toomey got a higher percentage of vote than Trump. Blunt, sure.

  870. Trump says:

    “Jeb was a good candidate on paper”

    What paper would that be?

    The best part of the Jeb! campaign was
    Withdrawn: Feb 20, 2016
    286,634 votes

  871. Trump says:

    “Burr and Johnson outperformed Trump in total votes and Toomey got a higher percentage of vote than Trump. Blunt, sure.”

    No, I don’t see any of them coming close to 63m votes that Trump got.

  872. Truther says:

    The stepson of last nights latest accuser indicates she is lying.

  873. Trump says:

    Well, 62,984,825 votes, to be precise (at least when they stopped counting)

  874. Bitterlaw says:

    Jonesy – Corbett did not lose because of Sandusky. He lost because of his decision to go along with raising gas taxes to fund road projects. He also lost votes from Penn State alumni pissed that Joe Paterno was fired.

  875. Waingro says:

    #885, LOL.

  876. Bitterlaw says:

    Guru knows that Robbie meant total votes for Trump and Senator in each state and not total votes nationwide. However, he is not bright and can’t adjust his script.

  877. Bitterlaw says:

    881. Most polls showed Akin winning. Until they didn’t.

  878. Trump says:

    Moron, how is that relevant to any race? Nationwide or individual states?

    But you are so stupid you will cling to irrelevancies.

    That’s you life, stupid.

  879. Trump says:

    I would get more votes in my home that Trump.

    As relevant, idiot.

  880. Cash Cow TM says:

    Open pone?

    Nope, Peon!

  881. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:41 pm
    881. Most polls showed Akin winning. Until they didn’t.
    ——————————————————–
    So, now BL doesn’t believe in polls. How convenient.

  882. Trump says:

    I am sure Maxine Waters got more votes in LA County than Trump.

    What does that mean, stupid?

  883. Bitterlaw says:

    892 If a winning Senator received more votes in a state than Trump received, it is foolish to say that the Senator won “because” of Trump. Should I type slower?

  884. Trump says:

    Where did I say that Seantor won “because” of Trump, as*hole?

    Citation, dolt.

  885. Trump says:

    Type slower, you are stupid.

  886. Bitterlaw says:

    MG probably believed Akin was going to win because he was soaring in rigged polls until it was too late to drop out.

  887. Trump says:

    You seem to be stupider that the cretin Robbie.

    If that is even possible.

  888. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – I think Moore is ahead but the lead is dropping with allegation after allegation regardless of their truth. Do you agree or disagree?

  889. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:45 pm
    892 If a winning Senator received more votes in a state than Trump received, it is foolish to say that the Senator won “because” of Trump. Should I type slower?
    ———————————————————-
    Not necessarily true. Just because a Republican Senator received more democrat voters than Trump doesn’t mean he didn’t need all the Republican voters Trump brought out that might have stayed at home if, someone else was running on the Republican ticket.

  890. Bitterlaw says:

    Being criticized by somebody who believes that “stupider” is a word is somewhat hollow.

  891. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:47 pm
    MG probably believed Akin was going to win because he was soaring in rigged polls until it was too late to drop out.
    ——————————————————————–
    So, now BL thinks the polls are rigged. LOL

  892. Trump says:

    I wouldn’t expect anything more from you, as8wipe.

    Di you find the post, or were you lying as usual, moron?

  893. Trump says:

    Did you find the post where I said “the Senator won “because” of Trump”, stupid as*wipe?

  894. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – Good point but your bias is showing. Toomey also lost votes from Republicans who voted for him in 2010 because they were so disgusted by Trump in 2016. However, other Republicans voted for Toomey but not Trump. My wife was one of these voters. She did not vote for President.

  895. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:49 pm
    MG – I think Moore is ahead but the lead is dropping with allegation after allegation regardless of their truth. Do you agree or disagree?
    ———————————————————————–
    We will see if, these allegation hold up to scrutiny. So, far it looks like these allegations are not credible. If, the allegations become credible then yes Moore will probably lose. I don’t see that happening though.

  896. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – Were the Polls rigged in the Akin race?

  897. MichiganGuy says:

    #908 I don’t remember is your wife a Republican?

  898. Trump says:

    “Bitterlaw says:
    November 14, 2017 at 9:50 pm

    Being criticized by somebody who believes that “stupider” is a word is somewhat hollow.”

    stu·pid (sto?o?p?d, styo?o?-)
    adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
    1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.

    Describes you to a T, moron, stupider than cretin Robbie.

  899. MichiganGuy says:

    #910 I don’t think so. Do you have proof they were?

  900. Trump says:

    Read any book sometime, moron.

    Dictionary.com:


    stupid
    [stoo-pid, styoo?]

    Word Origin

    See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
    adjective, stupider, stupidest.
    1.
    lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.
    2.
    characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless: “

  901. Bitterlaw says:

    In 847, Jonesy listed Senators who he claims would have lost except for Trump. Guru than jumped in the fight and I responded to that.

  902. Bitterlaw says:

    Dictionary.com is for Millenials with poor and forgiven concepts of proper usage.

  903. Trump says:

    Want more, as&hat?

    “http://www.bartleby.com/61/76/S0827600.html

    SYLLABICATION: stu•pid
    ADJECTIVE: Inflected forms: stu•pid•er, stu•pid•est”

    Where did you get your GED from?

  904. Trump says:

    You should learn when to stop, as&wipe.

  905. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – My wife is a Republican. I could not marry a Democrat or fans of the NY Giants, NY Mets, Boston Red Sox, or Dallas Cowboys.

  906. Bitterlaw says:

    Proper usage degrades because of people like you. You probably say irregardless – which only became semi-accepted because so many people used it instead of the correct word, regardless.

  907. Trump says:

    They are talking about you, as*wipe Bitter.

    “Stupider and stupidest are perfectly fine words, and are recognized as such by a number of dictionaries. That said, more stupid and most stupid, are also acceptable, so you can use either form.

    BTW, when you form a comparative by adding an -er suffix, such as stupider, you have an inflectional comparative or synthetic comparative. When you form a comparative by preposing the word more, such as more stupid, you have a periphrastic comparative.

    The particular example of stupider was used by Ammon Shea in the New York Times “On Language” column to illustrate how to deal with ignorant pedants that insist on enforcing dubious usage rules”

    “ignorant pedants that insist on enforcing dubious usage rules”. That’s you.

  908. Trump says:

    It is “ignorant pedants” like you who are the stupidest creatures.

    Read some book sometime, as*wipe.

  909. Trump says:

    Moron has limited understanding of English, math, economics, logic, law and politics, and the mot her fuc ker thinks he is smart.

  910. Trump says:

    And, btw, did you find the post whereI said “Senator won “because” of Trump”?

    Or just lying as usual, stupid?

  911. Trump says:

    Take all night finding, dolt.

    I’ll be here.

  912. Trump says:

    And yes, “”stupidest” is also a word.

    In case your ignorant pedantry was acting up again.

  913. Trump says:

    “Do Trump’s liberal critics seem increasingly unhinged?”

    Well, just look at the cretin Robbie.

  914. Michael says:

    Who is this Trump fool talking to?

  915. Trump says:

    Your buddy as*wipe Bitter.

    He is lurking, as*hole.

  916. Michael says:

    Why you call me as*hole, what your problem fool?

  917. Bitterlaw says:

    The dictionaries had to give in to idiots who could not recall the correct usage of terms like “more stupid” and “most stupid.” Saying “stupidest” makes you look, well, stupid..

  918. Bitterlaw says:

    How is it going, Michael? Sorry that HHR is a pro- Trump echo chamber now. Jason and I are doing our best to restore respectful discourse and the civil exchange of ideas.

    By the way, “Trump” is Soccer Guru.

  919. Trump says:

    Still stuck on stupid, as*wipe.

    And did you find the post yet, or were you lying as usual, dolt?

  920. Trump says:

    You think you are good at trying to change subject when caught lying, don’t you, as*wipe?

  921. Bitterlaw says:

    Read 915 again Guru. Then GFY.

  922. MichiganGuy says:

     Darrell Nelson is the step son of #RoyMoore accuser, Beverly Young Nelson. She’s been paraded around the msm by Gloria Allred. The establishment says she’s credible, demanding Roy step down. Beverly’s own family say she’s lying & they support @MooreSenate.

    https://twitter.com/NiaMAGA3X/status/930616066748944386

  923. Trump says:

    Show me where I said what you claim, lying as*wipe.

    Typical liar.

  924. Trump says:

    Stupider than cretin Robbie.

    How did you manage that?

  925. Michael says:

    Oh I remember the soccer guro, he was a moron. I’ll just ignore his posts then. I saw that Wes made fun of me the other day because he claimed that I didn’t know a vagina. But he’s a fool because I have been dating girls now.

  926. lisab says:

    The dictionaries had to give in to idiots who could not recall the correct usage of terms like “more stupid” and “most stupid.” Saying “stupidest” makes you look, well, stupid..
    ————————————-

    actually that just makes you look foolish

    “stupider” and “stupidest” are both correct and go back hundreds of years

    if it appears in pride and prejudice, it is the correct word

  927. Tgca says:

    Michael now likes vagina?

    Bitter outed himself today.

    What is this world coming to?

  928. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    “Mysterious ‘loud boom’ shakes Alabama homes…”
    [no fooling…]
    ###########################################
    I do not know whether it has anything to do with
    Roy Moore or not…

  929. lisab says:

    WHEN Jane and Elizabeth were alone, the former, who had been cautious in her praise of Mr. Bingley before, expressed to her sister how very much she admired him.

    “He is just what a young man ought to be,” said she, “sensible, good humoured, lively; and I never saw such happy manners! — so much ease, with such perfect good breeding!”

    “He is also handsome,” replied Elizabeth, “which a young man ought likewise to be, if he possibly can. His character is thereby complete.”

    “I was very much flattered by his asking me to dance a second time. I did not expect such a compliment.”

    “Did not you? I did for you. But that is one great difference between us. Compliments always take you by surprise, and me never. What could be more natural than his asking you again? He could not help seeing that you were about five times as pretty as every other woman in the room. No thanks to his gallantry for that. Well, he certainly is very agreeable, and I give you leave to like him. You have liked many a stupider person.”

  930. lisab says:

    Michael now likes vagina?
    —————————–

    what?!!!!

    hold the presses … where did he say that?

  931. Bitterlaw says:

    Michael- Pick a side. Bisexuals are just greedy.

  932. Tgca says:

    Let’s move on from the stupider and stupidest debate.

    How about dumber and dumberer?

  933. Cash Cow TM says:

    Michael,

    Did you have anything to do with the death of that student who was pledging a fraternity at Penn State?

  934. lisab says:

    what do the girls say when you tell them you have more experience with men than they have?

  935. Trump says:

    “actually that just makes you look foolish”

    Well, everything this fool says does the same.

    Stupider than cretin Robbie, if that is possible.

  936. Michael says:

    No I just meant I wasn’t dating girls before and now I am. I even had one girl last week but I don’t think I’ll go out again with her, she smelled bad.

  937. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t trust people who spell color as colour and pronounce aluminum as al-you- min–ee-yum.

  938. lisab says:

    I don’t trust people who spell color as colour
    ———————————-

    well … there’s your problem!

    not … well there’s yor problem

  939. lisab says:

    some idiot here once claimed i was foreign because i used colour … it was one of the moron twins

  940. Tgca says:

    I will never accept Michael as anything but gay unless he gets rid of the salmon-colored jacket he told us about one night. Straight or bi men simply cannot wear salmon-colored jackets. It just ain’t right.

    P.S. is it true that Bitter is now wearing cardigan sweaters?

  941. lisab says:

    is it true that Bitter is now wearing cardigan sweaters?
    —————————

    i think so …

  942. Trump says:

    The dunce cap gives him away.

  943. Tgca says:

    The world is upside down now LisaB.

    Michael says he had a girl last week…and she smelled bad. I think I’m gonna let this one go.

  944. lisab says:

    i don’t think i could date a man who dated other men

    it seems unfair. they get so much more practice with a penis, 24/7/365

    you really can’t compete with that

  945. Tgca says:

    I don’t think I could date a man who dated another man either LisaB.

    I believe in monogamy and I don’t like sharing. My gay friends tell me my standards are too high. I respond let’s discuss this further after you finish your gonorrhea treatment.

  946. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca – I still do not own a sweater. Also, there are no bisexual men. They are all gay. Sometimes they just get greedy.

    If we put Michael in front of you and Kate Upton, who is he going to choose? You. Because you’re fabulous.

  947. lisab says:

    kate upton is kind of chubby

  948. Tgca says:

    Bitter. I totally agree with you on 960.

    Kate may be richerer than me, but I’m definitely cuterer. …and I got that irresistible Jersey charm.

  949. Tgca says:

    LisaB. Calling a woman chubby is so mean and unPC. As the trampy fat chicks I grew up with you used to say, “more to love honey.” …or pleasingly plump.

  950. Bitterlaw says:

    There is a guy in my daughter’s high school who is gay. Flaming and proudly gay. He dresses like he should be in Wham with George Michaels. Unlike my high school in the 80s where that kind of openness was risky, everybody loves him. Every year, there is a pep rally before the football game with the big rival dating back to 1897.

    The Senior Girls have a dance routine. The Senior Boys have a dance routine. This guy was in both. It is not 1986 any more.

  951. Bitterlaw says:

    Chubby is mean. Just say she has a pretty face or a great personality. We know what you mean.

  952. Bitterlaw says:

    Michael – Be who you are. Have fun.

  953. lisab says:

    but I’m definitely cuterer
    ——————————

    well again, she is pushing maximum density

    i don’t really think you would temp a gay man with a woman with huge bewbs and hips anyway

  954. Tgca says:

    I must admit, I shy away from the flamboyant types myself I always thought early George Michael was hideous. That God awful video of the Wham 1st hit of him dancing in those go-go shorts just makes me cringe. Eww.

  955. lisab says:

    i’m thinking hope solo or miesha tate

  956. lisab says:

    That God awful video of the Wham 1st hit of him dancing in those go-go shorts just makes me cringe. Eww.
    ———————————

    and people did not know he was gay …

  957. Bitterlaw says:

    There is nothing better than breasts. I don’t care what Tgca says.

  958. Tgca says:

    Not true LisaB. Many gays are into hefty cleavage. I was always fascinated by the tight sweater looks of the 50s and 60s. …and haven’t you ever stared in amazement at Divine?

  959. Bitterlaw says:

    It was the 1980s. We were still trying to come to grips with the idea that a sailor, Indian chief, police officer and construction worker were not usually friends.

  960. Tgca says:

    Uh…people did not know George Michael was gay?

    Yes, the go-go shorts, dangling earrings, and eye make-up fooled all us Jersey folk. *rolls eyes(

  961. lisab says:

    and haven’t you ever stared in amazement at Divine?
    ————————–

    i’m gonna have to say no …

    i would totally be gay. one of my best friends in high school was a lesbian. it would be the best thing evah … except for that whole having sex with a woman part … but then you know what i am talking about

  962. Bitterlaw says:

    Lisab and Tgca are going to be a lesbian couple? I’m out for the night.

  963. lisab says:

    It was the 1980s. We were still trying to come to grips with the idea that a sailor, Indian chief, police officer and construction worker were not usually friends.
    ————————

    you know they were not all gay right?

    one was married to mrs. huxtable

  964. Tgca says:

    I don’t find sex with a woman either repulsive or unenjoyable. It’s the relationship with the woman I find troublesome. Besides, I have always had awesome flawless skin and hair and the ladies just could not handle that. Suck it up ladies, ain’t no wrinkles in my future until way past my 60s I venture.

  965. Tgca says:

    I could never be a lesbian! I would hate working at Home Depot.

  966. Cash Cow TM says:

    lesbian

    nab lies
    isle ban

  967. lisab says:

    I would hate working at Home Depot.
    ————————–

    so would i …

    obviously would go for the hippie lesbian and work at starbucks or whole foods

  968. Cash Cow TM says:

    Why would you want to shoplift anything in China?

    Especially if you were a bassetball player for UCLA or whatever…

  969. Tgca says:

    Ah…LisaB likes othe tongue-pierced ladies.

  970. lisab says:

    i’d be the worst employee evah at home depot

    customer: do you have any 220 volt wiring?

    lisab: sure … 220, 221 … whatevah it takes

  971. Cash Cow TM says:

    Home Depot

    photo-ed me

  972. lisab says:

    Ah…LisaB likes othe tongue-pierced ladies.
    —————————-

    no … those piercings break your teeth …

    i’m thinking more henna tattoos and dreds …

  973. Tgca says:

    Dreds? The smelly girls.

    Ah, now I know what Michael meant. He went on a date with a lesbian. Got it!

  974. Waingro says:

    Sounds like the master has spoken. I was off my a couple days.

    “Hannity giving Roy Moore 24 hours to fully explain the inconsistencies in his story or withdraw from the race”

    https://twitter.com/comfortablysmug/status/930631540404641792

  975. lisab says:

    no, i wouldn’t like smelly …

    i am not sure i have this whole lesbian thing down yet

    maybe i could just join a woman’s soccer team?

  976. Waingro says:

    Pathetic but probably true. MAGA’s know he’s a lapdog mouthpiece for Trump. End seems near, thankfully.

    “People can laugh, but the number of people in my circles who were defending Moore who in the last half hour flipped because of @seanhannity is significant.”

    https://twitter.com/neoavatara/status/930646233689001989

  977. lisab says:

    what did sean hannity do?

  978. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    979. “I could never be a lesbian! I would hate working at Home Depot.”

    Know a lot of gay males who work at Home Depo in San Diego.

  979. Paul says:

    The link that MichiganGuy posted about the yearbook signature included a supposed smoking gun that the restaurant was spelled “Old Hickory” instead of “Olde Hickory” as in the yearbook.

    Actually the restaurant was “Olde Hickory” as it is advertised in this Jan. 1978 newspaper. A different restaurant called “Old Hickory” opened up some time later and is still in existence.

    http://whnt.com/2017/11/14/roy-moores-wife-spread-a-conspiracy-about-sexual-assault-allegation-against-him-records-refute-her/

  980. MichiganGuy says:

    David Wissing will be happy

     MARYLAND ( OpinionWorks )

    Gov. Larry Hogan Job Approval:

    Approve 67%

    Disapprove 29%

    http://www.opinionworks.com/

  981. Diamond Jim says:

    995

  982. Diamond Jim says:

    996

  983. Diamond Jim says:

    997

  984. Diamond Jim says:

    998

  985. Diamond Jim says:

    999

  986. Diamond Jim says:

    M

  987. Bitterlaw says:

    Damn. DJ takes a lazy path to M. I expected better from him.

  988. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    The Hill has a link to a pre-litigation letter written by Roy Moore’s attorney in Alabama. The letter does lay out his case of falsities in facts presented.
    Bitter– What is your take on this letter? And all others? Will it satisfy Mr. Hannity?

    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/360416-moore-takes-first-legal-action-against-news-outlet-amid-allegations

  989. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    I’ve given Roy Moore the benefit of the doubt, but the signed yearbook is damning.

    It’s clearly his signature despite conspiracy theories to the contrary. Moore himself has not denied signing it.

    He needs to disprove the allegations or make way for a candidate who can win.
    4:21 AM · Nov 15, 2017
    20 Retweets
    48 Likes

    i agree here with John. The signature looks like Roy and he has not denied it, despite several days, As I said, this is damaging to his credibility and the olde whatever did exist.

    One more day and I will be back.

  990. Bitterlaw says:

    Fewer typos, Tina. Your vision is improved. Good luck.

  991. MichiganGuy says:

    #1004 Is that Tina’s excuse for typos? When than me too. Also, for bad grammar. 🙂

  992. Todd McCain says:

    The ALGOP I think is going to pull the plug on good ole Roy after their meeting today.

  993. Todd McCain says:

    God I hope McCain can just go along this time on the ACA mandate repeal and Tax Reform.

    Effing guy…..

  994. Jonesy says:

    Mich, could you imagine wht the posting was like here, the weekend in 2016 after the audio tape came out? You think any here did not predict a trump 20 point loss and congress going dem?

  995. Jonesy says:

    Good to see tou are better tina

  996. Jonesy says:

    ace of spades today has good insight on how to hold this seat, but to clever for the dumbass GopE to ever think of.

    He says the RNC and bama gop should say vote for republicans to hold the seat, not vote for moore. Vote generic gop and we will deal with him later

  997. Jonesy says:

    Todd how does that help. Unless ivey delays election, still on ballot

  998. Jonesy says:

    Todd, murk is a yes. That is 50. McShame only votes no if he is the swing

  999. Todd McCain says:

    1012. If that is true, that is awesome.

  1000. MichiganGuy says:

    #1008 heads were exploding. 🙂

  1001. Todd McCain says:

    If they get 50 in the Senate, you would think the House could very easily come up with adding the ACA mandate repeal to their version since they did pass a broader ACA repeal earlier this year.

  1002. Jonesy says:

    Todd, at least in my area, every neighbor i talked too wants the mandate repealed. Even my Dem sister. It a winning issue.

  1003. Bitterlaw says:

    Sheeple – I only saw 1 page of what appears to be a longer letter. If I received that letter, I would have this reaction:

    1. The writing style sucks.

    2. The letter is not forceful. “Perhaps” malice? The standard is “actual malice” so the lawyer just told the potential defendants he is not focusing upon the real standard or is trying to bluff his way through.

    3. This is the firm’s website.

    https://www.liddonlaw.com/about/

    Seriously? Moore is fighting for his career and reputation and he chooses a three lawyer personal injury firm. The attorney who wrote the letter, Trent Garmon, started off his professional biography with this summary:

    “Trent completed his undergraduate at Troy University, graduating in Business with Honors. While at Troy University he started on their college football team as the center. This team played both Miami and Nebraska being the only team in the country to play the national champions and the runner up national champions in the same year. Some experts consider the 2001 Miami Hurricanes to be the greatest college football team in history. Trent also played Maryland, Central Florida and that year Troy beat Mississippi State on their homecoming. He played on the team with over a dozen athletes who ended up playing professionally in the NFL.”

    I get it. Football is a great way to market himself to clients. He goes on to talk about his faith and Masters degree in theology. He also translated books from Koine Greek. DW would like that.

    Based upon these three points alone, the recipients of that letter should send a very brief response.

    “Dear Mr. Garmon:

    Bring it.

    Very Truly Yours,

    Big time attorney.”

  1004. Jonesy says:

    Gop control of the va house of delegates looking very good

  1005. Jonesy says:

    Lol. If dem marxist wins seat, the dems will start out -1 for senate control in the 2020 elections. Should make phil happy.

    Just kidding. Turtle needs to tell bama voters to vote generic R

  1006. Jonesy says:

    So did latest accuser stepson say she is lying for $, and her own family think she is lying and still voting for Moore?

    Who knows what is true at this point

  1007. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #1017
    Thanks, Bitter. Moore is one weird dude. “Weird” may be euphemistic.

  1008. Todd McCain says:

    What if Luther Strange just resigns now and Ivey picks a new replacement (Mo Brooks) and just cancels the special election….done deal.

  1009. Bitterlaw says:

    I know that it does not fit with his “me against the corrupt system and sinners” theme but Moore needs to fire that firm immediately. I have received many of those letters in my career. Moore’s lawyer would get a C+ as a law student for it.

    Moore needs to find the biggest, nastiest firm in D.C. that handles defamation suits and pay them an absurd amount of money to lay out the case against the media firms. If not there, find the lawyers who took down Rolling Stone. Go big or go home.

  1010. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #1018
    Yes, the GOP has 50 seats and the Donkeys 49 with one seat remaining in which the vote will be re-counted after certification with the Republican candidate ahead by 10 votes after the provisionals have been counted.

  1011. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not know if I would trust a step son claiming his step mom is lying. That “step” part can lead to some pretty nasty fighting.

    He could be telling the truth. He might also just not like her. Who knows.

  1012. Jonesy says:

    Wain, biden is non grata. He will not run, too many creepy pictures even older than trump

  1013. Bitterlaw says:

    Sheeple – I have accepted the likelihood that Moore will stay in and lose. It sucks.

    Moore has been an attorney and judge for decades. He must have seen some excellent lawyers practice in all that time. Instead of retaining one of them, he chooses a firm of ambulance chasers? WTF.

  1014. Jonesy says:

    True bitter

  1015. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #1028
    Moore’s law firm is nothing more than a “hired gun”. Obviously, it agreed to put something “quick and dirty” together. A blue chip law firm would have taken its time to review documents and interview people. Moore did not have that luxury.
    IMHO, Moore authored the letter.

  1016. Jonesy says:

    True on post 1026, not on 1028.

    Bitter, if i found the posts here on the weekend of the trump tape, you probably were calling to surrender to Hillary at that point also.

    4 weeks to go. Go find your comfort space

  1017. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not recall saying that he should drop out. I thought he was scum. Like almost everybody here, I predicted that he would lose. Go find the posts if you really care that much.

    In case you missed it, I have not called on Moore to drop out. Alabama voters own this disaster. Might as well see how it ends. Of course, Moore could do everybody a favor and work to drop out in a way that allows the GOP to hold the seat but her won’t.

  1018. Bitterlaw says:

    4 weeks to go. Go find your comfort space

    I don’t have one. Life is meant to be endured. Comfort is fleeting at best.

  1019. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder what Jonesy said about the “grab” comment. Did he say, “Finally! A savior has come to show us the core message needed to rebuild the Republican Party!”

  1020. Todd McCain says:

    Still crazy that grab comment didn’t sink him.

    Just shows how much people hated Hillary Clinton.

  1021. Bitterlaw says:

    I hated Hillary enough to vote for Trump despite his many personal flaws.

  1022. Redmen4ever says:

    Moore’s letter to al.com:

    Disputes the report that five women have alleged misconduct. Only two have (one of inappropriate touching of a minor and the other of sexual assault). Three have alleged dating. A retraction would be in order.

    This was the defense of the New York Times. When informed that Sarah Palin was not responsible for the assassination of Congresswoman Giffords (since the gunman was not even a Republican or member of the Tea Party), the Times published a retraction. The retraction proved there was no malicious intent in their mistake.

    Sean Hannity has called on Moore to admit or deny that he dated (legal age) teenagers back in the day. Moore was evasive on Hannity’s show. Moore said something like, I didn’t but if I did, it was with the permission of the girls’ mother. Or, I don’t recall. Or, it wasn’t my practice. These answers are damning. Evasive answers are indicative of guilt.

    Judge Moore should say, if it’s true, that he did date legal-age teenage girls, with the permission of their mothers, and nothing untoward happened. I enjoyed the company of each girl I dated. They were all pretty, sweet and charming. And, I apologize for not remembering specifically who I dated. That was a long time ago, and during the past 30-whatever years (he needs to have the exact number) I been attending to a particular pretty, sweet and charming lady.

    He should also say, if it’s true, that he appreciates the difficulty society faces in sorting through allegations of sexual misconduct. We want both to protect the vulnerable and to provide due process to those who are accused. As an Assistant D.A. and as a judge, he has been involved in such cases.

    Nobody, thus far, has sworn to anything under oath. Nobody has been cross-examined. Nobody has had an opportunity to present their own witnesses and evidence. If I am elected, and this matter is brought to the attention of the Senate, they will be able to investigate this matter, and bar me from the Senate if that is what the evidence indicates. A Senate hearing is not a trial. Nevertheless, it is a process that seeks to be fair to everyone involved.

    I would even say that the only way the accusers can have their cases heard is for Moore to be elected and the Senate to have the opportunity hold a hearing. This is because the statute of limitations was reached 36 years ago.

  1023. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    November 15, 2017 at 8:47 am
    What if Luther Strange just resigns now and Ivey picks a new replacement (Mo Brooks) and just cancels the special election….done deal.

    – Hugh Hewitt has promoted this idea. Seems dubious to me, but who knows.

  1024. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    This is an interesting article regarding GOP opposition research against Roy Moore in the primaries.
    Either the researchers were incompetent or…..

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/luther-stranges-campaign-tried-and-failed-to-confirm-roy-moore-allegations/article/2640730

  1025. Robbie says:

    It’s really something that Trump may ultimately decide the base that supports Moore is more important to his political future than the Senate seat that could wreck his legislative agenda.

    Despite Sean Hannity’s words, I see no evidence that Bannon is ready to dump Moore and that means it’s unlikely Trump will dump Moore.

    The governor of Alabama deserves scorn for the manner in which she as handled the special election. Her leadership has been absent.

  1026. Phil says:

    Agree. The governor has the backbone of a wet noodle.

  1027. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 15, 2017 at 11:06 am
    Agree. The governor has the backbone of a wet noodle.

    – What’s so amazing is the law allows her to do almost whatever she wants with this election. On top of that, she would receive little if any blowback. The vast majority of Alabama wants a Republican to be the Senator and yet she may ensure that doesn’t happen.

  1028. Todd McCain says:

    I think we need to give Trump a little bit of a break on this one. He did support Strange and even went do there to campaign for him. AL primary voters gave us Moore.

    Additionally, the guy just got back from a grueling trip in Asia. Let him relax for 12 hours.

  1029. BayernFan says:

    So no new polls?

  1030. Todd McCain says:

    JUDGE WHORE!

  1031. Phil says:

    Ok, he has 12 hours.

    Seriously, the governor has broad authority. She ought to use it with or without Trump.

  1032. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    November 15, 2017 at 11:12 am
    I think we need to give Trump a little bit of a break on this one. He did support Strange and even went do there to campaign for him. AL primary voters gave us Moore.
    Additionally, the guy just got back from a grueling trip in Asia. Let him relax for 12 hours.

    – Fair enough, but the sooner the better. Time’s a wasting.

  1033. Phil says:

    Maybe she will be more willing once current polling is completed and polls are released showing Moore actually losing to the Democrat.

  1034. Phil says:

    I can tell you that a write in campaign with Moore on the ballot will not work and will assure a Senator Doug Jones.

  1035. Robbie says:

    This tweet from Matt Drudge is about a headline on his site mocking Steve Bannon for supporting Roy Moore.

    MATT DRUDGE?
    @DRUDGE

    A lesson on leaving politics to the professionals…

  1036. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    When Drudge was pushing Trump all of last year, were you singing his praises as an astute political operator?

  1037. Robbie says:

    Seems pretty MAGA world understands they have a big mess on their hands and are signaling to Moore and Bannon that steps need to be taken, but will Trump make a move?

  1038. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 15, 2017 at 11:34 am
    Robbie,
    When Drudge was pushing Trump all of last year, were you singing his praises as an astute political operator?

    – Am I singing his praises? Nope. Watching them realize the mess they’ve made is humorous though.

  1039. Robbie says:

    And this is why Trump probably stays out of Alabama and NYCmike and his crowd rally even harder for good ole Roy.

    Jonathan Swan?
    @jonathanvswan

    My somewhat educated guess is Bannon will triple down on supporting Moore…

  1040. Wes says:

    Bannon isn’t very smart. By backing a candidate as damaged as Roy Moore, he gives mainline Republicans a powerful reason to nuke his candidates next year. Non-loony Republicans last actively worked to extirpate the fringe in 2014 and won every single contest.

  1041. NYCmike says:

    “The response from Clinton voters is predictable enough – as they themselves often told us in our focus groups, he is the same Donald Trump they voted against a year ago. They remain as scornful as they ever were.”

  1042. Redmen4ever says:

    The Hugh Hewitt idea – if it worked – would just result in Moore running again. The Jeff Flake idea – screw the country and elect the Democrat – isn’t good either. My preference is for Moore to withdraw and the Governor reschedule this special so it coincides with the 2018 general election. But, if Moore insists that he’s innocent and stays in, let’s have the Senate investigate the matter in conjunction with deciding whether to seat him or not. Besides, if they vet Roy Moore, maybe we can get them to vet Robert Menendez. A twofer.

  1043. Tom says:

    Still waiting for the effusive praise from the MSM for Trump getting the 3 UCLA basketball players released. (crickets)

  1044. NYCmike says:

    “Levin wants these sitting Congress members to be identified. He wants names named.”

    -Does Robbie?

  1045. Trump says:

    “New Sexual Harassment and Discrimination Training for Congress as Lawmakers Accuse Colleagues.”

    What are McConnell and Ryan hiding?

  1046. Trump says:

    Who are they protecting? John McCain?

  1047. Trump says:

    “New Sexual Harassment and Discrimination Training for Congress as Lawmakers Accuse Colleagues.”

    It would be a hoot if Moore is elected. Then he can take the training, and everyone will be happy.

  1048. Trump says:

    “New Sexual Harassment and Discrimination Training for Congress as Lawmakers Accuse Colleagues.”

    Congress is expert at sexual harassment and discrimination. Why do they need more training?

  1049. Trump says:

    Let’s also hear who they paid $15m in hush-up money to, and for what.

  1050. Cash Cow TM says:

    See what happens when President Trump leaves the country to go gallivanting in Asia?
    ############################################
    Rs get clobbered in VA…Roy Moore senate campaign implodes…mass shooting in CA…some dog died somewhere…Walt does terrible playing bridge…

  1051. NYCmike says:

    Trump says:
    November 15, 2017 at 12:41 pm

    Let’s also hear who they paid $15m in hush-up money to, and for what.

    -ODD that the WAPO is NOT ALL OVER this story!

  1052. Cash Cow TM says:

    Most hot 27 year old teacher in southern WV (Logan county) fired because she sent nak.ed photos to male students on snapchat (whatever that is).

    I do not get the mindset of young people today…

  1053. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 15, 2017 at 12:21 pm
    “Levin wants these sitting Congress members to be identified. He wants names named.”
    -Does Robbie?

    – Yes.

  1054. Cash Cow TM says:

    Big scandal in WV when it is learned that WV supreme court spends extravagantly…including buying a $30,000 couch….

    SMH

  1055. Trump says:

    “Biden: Hero Who Stopped Texas Shooter Was Wrong to Have Gun”

    Only criminals should be able to to kill innocent people.

  1056. NYCmike says:

    About that mandate/tax thing……I bet you that Ted Cruz had something to do with that.

  1057. NYCmike says:

    “– Yes.”

    Newsflash: Robbie supports Levin, famous fire-breathing, radio-talk-show “deadender”! And Levin supports Moore, hence Robbie supports Moore!

    Absolutely disgusting!

  1058. Robbie says:

    Everyone should check out the appearance Roy Moore’s lawyer had on MSNBC today.

    The only thing that comes to mind is “top men” scene in Indiana Jones.

  1059. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 15, 2017 at 12:50 pm
    “– Yes.”
    Newsflash: Robbie supports Levin, famous fire-breathing, radio-talk-show “deadender”! And Levin supports Moore, hence Robbie supports Moore!
    Absolutely disgusting!

    – Frauds and fakes like Mark Levin can right occasionally. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

  1060. NYCmike says:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/democrats-hopeful-oklahoma-legislative-seats-stake-51139896

    -Before Robbie blames Trump for this, I thought that I should post an interesting line in the article:

    “The elections come at a time of voter frustration over years of state budget shortfalls and recent scandals that led to the resignation of Republican incumbents.”

    What is it they say: “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

    George Washington is looking down with a knowing smile…..and that is one of the main reasons he is our GREATEST PRESIDENT!

  1061. NYCmike says:

    “– Frauds and fakes”

    -Yup, the guy has been saying the same thing since he worked in the Reagan administration…..a fraud and fake. /

  1062. Bitterlaw says:

    -Ok, Bitterlaw was right!Chief Justice John Roberts is a hero!

    Zzzzzzzzzz. I said at the time and ever since that I believe Roberts voted the wrong way on Obamacare. However, NYC is either not smart or just lies. Neither description is flattering.

  1063. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 15, 2017 at 12:59 pm
    “– Frauds and fakes”
    -Yup, the guy has been saying the same thing since he worked in the Reagan administration…..a fraud and fake. /

    – Total BS. Levin’s a fake who’s part of the clickservative media. He gets rich and you get nothing but frustration.

  1064. Paul says:

    “Satan gets into these women’s heads and convinces them that this sort of thing really did happen. It’s time to fight these forces with all our might.”

  1065. Todd McCain says:

    JUDGE WHORE!!

  1066. Robbie says:

    Alex Seitz-Wald?
    @aseitzwald

    Alabama GOP Sen. Richard Shelby tells reporters he would probably vote for a write-in.

    “Absolutely” worried Moore is damaging GOP brand.

  1067. Tgca says:

    Paul

    Some women (and men) have legitimate accusations, and some choose not to go public because it’s not easy to fight the powerful and often the fight isn’t worth the unwanted scrutiny it brings to you and your family.

    Some just lie and are looking for their 15 minutes of fame or to get some financial gain.

    Always hard to tell where the truth is when it goes back decades with no evidence or credible witnesses.

  1068. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    The point is that NOW Roberts will look good to conservatives because of his mangling of the words in the text into “tax”.

    I was NOT saying that you agreed with him.

    And GFY!

  1069. Tgca says:

    I have been saying for years that Congress should have the same level of training that often large companies provide regarding harassment and ethics and compliance.

    I hope these predators who have committed these acts or settlements were done because of are exposed by name. I can care less if they are Dems or Reps.

    Doing this will scare the be-Jesus out of all congressional members and hopefully change their behavior.

    …and if the leadership of both parties knew of this behavior and did nothing, I agree they should resign their leadership posts because they are then complicit in hiding this behavior.

  1070. Tgca says:

    Since we all reside close by, I think I might have a dinner party and invite Bitter, Jason, NYC, and Michael. Does Robbie live in the tri-state area too. Anyone else available? This would be so much fun me thinks.

  1071. NYCmike says:

    “He gets rich and you get nothing but frustration.”

    -What “frustration” are you speaking about?

    Levin is entertainment, but he also has books that are consistent with what he says on his radio show and on his TV show, as well as with his legal work for Landmark Legal Foundation, and also his work in the Reagan administration.

    I am frustrated with congressional inactivity, because the bills they could have sent to Trump were written in the Obama years, and could have simply been recycled for use this year.

  1072. Wes says:

    I heard Hannity is now demanding Moore explain inconsistencies in his story since advertisers started bailing on the so-called “Baby Jesus.” (Amazing how decreased ad revenue caused the biggest dumbass in radio to distance himself from Moore.)

    If advterisers walk out on EIB, will Limbaugh also have a “Come to Jesus” moment and cease fullthroated defense of Mr. Ten Commandments?

  1073. Todd McCain says:

    If the election was on Tuesday I would say Judge Whore would still win. One month is way too long.

  1074. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 15, 2017 at 1:38 pm
    I heard Hannity is now demanding Moore explain inconsistencies in his story since advertisers started bailing on the so-called “Baby Jesus.” (Amazing how decreased ad revenue caused the biggest dumbass in radio to distance himself from Moore.)
    If advterisers walk out on EIB, will Limbaugh also have a “Come to Jesus” moment and cease fullthroated defense of Mr. Ten Commandments?

    – Before Rush called Sandra Fluke a whore in March 2012, he boasted of having 20 million listeners a week. As a result of that comment, he lost multiple sponsors and now has 14 million listeners a week. Since that time, he’s only become more bombastic and conspiratorial. If a reduction in ad flow and the loss of one third of his listeners didn’t change his ways, I doubt the Roy Moore situation will.

  1075. Waingro says:

    #1091, with Hannity that signals a message from his Master.

  1076. NYCmike says:

    Hannity conducted a fair interview with Moore, did not automatically condemn him for the allegations brought by the women – for that, being objective, fair-minded, and getting both sides of a story, advertisers, under assault from the usual loud protesters, some got squeamish.

    That says more about the advertisers and the state of the PC culture than about Hannity.

  1077. NYCmike says:

    http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-real-high-ground-in-moore-case.html

    “Some pseudo-conservatives want us to sacrifice Judge Moore to show some moral superiority.

    Moral superiority is the presumption of innocence.

    It’s tough, isn’t it?

    But being moral — being American — being true to the Constitution — is not easy.

    Emmett Till didn’t get that presumption. According to the NAACP, between 1882 and 1968, we did not give the presumption of innocence to 4,743 men who were lynched.

    In 1991, the Democratic Party was split on whether to give Justice Clarence Thomas the presumption of innocence.

    Clinton of course was guilty. He admitted it. But Democrats — and many Republicans — defended him, and the Senate refused to convict him for perjury and suborning perjury after his impeachment.

    Now some senators want to expel Moore before the election.

    Phooey. That’s virtue signaling.

    Absent an admission of guilt between now and Election Day, he deserves the support of every Republican and of every conservative.

    Vote for Moore and be a conservative, or vote for someone else and be a liberal.

    Anything else is nonsense.

    If the allegations have merit, then the women should file police reports, investigators should gather evidence, a judge should impanel a grand jury, and if there is an indictment, the prosecutor should try the man.

    If he is found guilty, the Senate should expel him.

    That’s a lengthy process in an impatient and self-absorbed society.

    Too damned bad.

    Bob Menendez just faced a trial, and his fate is in the hands of the jury. He’s still in the Senate — as he should be. I can see an acquittal on all charges.

    Standing by the presumption of innocence and the due process that goes with it are the real high ground.

    The rest is self-righteous gobbledy-gook.”

  1078. NYCmike says:

    “If the allegations have merit, then the women should file police reports, investigators should gather evidence, a judge should impanel a grand jury, and if there is an indictment, the prosecutor should try the man.”

    -Key part.

  1079. Trump says:

    Due process is an antiquated idea.

    Off with their heads first!!

    If you don’t file a police report, there is no case. It’s just malicious gossip.

  1080. Chicon says:

    1092 – wow, he lost 6 million viewers solely because of one comment?

  1081. Chicon says:

    1099 – listeners….

  1082. mnw says:

    TALKERS magazine (“The Bible of Talk Radio”) rates Limbaugh the most highly rated of all talk radio hosts, with an avg of 13 million listeners a week, so far in 2017.

    According to TALKERS, he makes $84 million/year, if I read it right.

    I guess Sandra Fluke didn’t exactly knock him off his perch.

    I always wonder what will happen to his show when he retires. Mark Steyn, perhaps.

  1083. Robbie says:

    SEND A MESSAGE!

    Byron Tau?
    @ByronTau

    Internal Republican poll shows Doug Jones beating Roy Moore by 12 points in the Alabama Senate race.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/15/roy-moore-doug-jones-poll-244937

  1084. mnw says:

    The idea that Limbaugh is “in trouble” and “losing advertisers” is the perpetual wet dream of the far left.

    Daily KOS alone has run DOZENS of stories like that over the years.

  1085. Robbie says:

    This just goes to show Steve Bannon has no interest in winning. He just wants to SEND A MESSAGE.

    Melissa Quinn?
    @MelissaQuinn97

    Steve Bannon is sticking with Roy Moore, from @gabriellahope_ and @sarahcwestwood

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/steve-bannon-sticking-with-roy-moore-as-republicans-question-his-2018-clout/article/2640788

  1086. Robbie says:

    “Send Mitch McConnell a message. Send a Democrat to the Senate.” Steve Bannon’ new rallying cry.

    Larry Sabato?
    @LarrySabato

    We can’t believe we’re doing this, but at least for now AL-SEN–that’s ALABAMA–Leans D (Doug Jones). The GOP may find a way out of this mess, but the party–thanks to Roy Moore–is on the verge of blowing what was once a sure thing. More tomorrow in the Crystal Ball.

  1087. Robbie says:

    Shorter NYCmike – “what about (insert Democrat here)”

  1088. NYCmike says:

    Shorter Robbie – Pravda is my GOD, due process is for bitches!

    Robbie – seeking the innocence or guilt of Roy Moore is now considered “whataboutism”?

    If he drops out, will the women, that you believe are VERY CREDIBLE, ever get their day in court?

    Don’t you want them to have their say against the man alleged to have raped and or molested them?

  1089. NYCmike says:

    If Moore drops out, charges will probably NEVER be filed……don’t you care about the women?

    OR

    Is this all political for you?

  1090. Robbie says:

    Poor, NYCmike. His dream of Steve Bannon remaking the Senate into a bunch of “real conservatives” is falling apart once again.

  1091. Wes says:

    Jones up 12?

    Say bye bye to Roy Moore.

    Turn out the lights.

    The party’s over.

  1092. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 15, 2017 at 3:48 pm
    Jones up 12?
    Say bye bye to Roy Moore.
    Turn out the lights.
    The party’s over.

    – Todd Akin part duex.

  1093. Wes says:

    Watch Senate Leadership Fund now proceed to nuke every Bannon-backed candidate.

    I know, I know. Moore still beat Strange.

    Strange was the one under the ethical cloud at the time.

    That’s not the case with all the other potential Senate candidates on thr nonloony side of the GOP.

  1094. Robbie says:

    Tim Cameron?
    @TimCameron

    The greatest trick Bannon ever pulled was convincing the world he wasn’t incompetent

  1095. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #1112
    Can you kindly post a link to the crosstabs of this poll? Thanks.
    Maybe it’s another D+? like the JMC poll.

  1096. BayernFan says:

    Well if that poll showing Moore down 12 is legit then yeah the GOP needs to suck it up and do what it takes to keep that seat in GOP hands. It’s unfortunate that it would have to come to that. However, regardless of the veracity of the allegations, these Dem/Media hitjob tactics should not be rewarded with a Dem seat that would otherwise be a Republican one.

  1097. Robbie says:

    Is Kay Ivey going to act, or is he going to go down as one of the most incompetent governors in recent memory?

    It appears she has decided to go down as the Republican who made sure a Democrat won a Senate race.

  1098. Wes says:

    When these allegationd first surfaced, they were not entirely credible. Then we had a steady drip of circumstantial indications of peccadilloes on Moore’s part.

    They have fatally compromised Moore’s credibility now.

    HE CAN NOT WIN.

    He can play Hitler in the bunker ordering giving orders to imaginary soldiers, but Berlin will still inevitably fall.

    The only question is ehether the ALGOP will find a way to keep Moore from losing the seat or sit back snd let a Vermont-style leftist Democrat represent a solidly conservative state in the Senate for almost 37 months.

  1099. Wes says:

    It’s a GOP poll, Sheeple.

    I highly doubt it intentionally oversamples Dems.

  1100. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 15, 2017 at 3:55 pm
    #1112
    Can you kindly post a link to the crosstabs of this poll? Thanks.
    Maybe it’s another D+? like the JMC poll.

    – It’s a poll from the NRSC. They didn’t release the internals other than to show that Moore’s lead went from 7 points last Tuesday to 12 down now.

  1101. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #1120
    C’mon Man! This is a “whispered” poll. Show us/me the real thing.
    Because it is a GOPe poll and based on their hatred of Moore, count me as skeptical.

  1102. Wes says:

    When the NRSC says Moore is down 12, we know the Titanic has hit the iceberg.

  1103. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #1122
    And that proves what? “Several sources said” is not validation.
    SHOW ME THE POLL!!!

  1104. Robbie says:

    So Bannon wins. Trump believes him more than anyone else. No wonder his approval rating stinks.

    Dave Weigel?
    @daveweigel

    So, no Trump position on Moore, right before the Alabama GOP meets to (we assume) affirm that it won’t disqualify him as a candidate.

  1105. Wes says:

    Posted in 1122, Sheeple.

    Be skeptical all you like.

    Recent polling has shown Moore collapsing.

    The steady drip has undermined his credibility.

    It’s over.

    He had a good run, but he’s finished.

  1106. Wes says:

    I posted what was available, Sheeple.

    If you want yo believe Moore still leads after the past week, be my guest.

    I choose to live in reality.

  1107. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #1124
    The leaks of internal polls are to create a meme, whether from Democrats or Republicans. You know that!
    The FOX 10 poll which shows Moore +6 is more current than the Republican Senate poll.
    Which one should be believed?

    SHOW ME THE CROSSTABS!!!

    And answer my question as to why this poll is credible and not meant to try to force Moore to withdraw?

  1108. BayernFan says:

    Sheeple even if it’s shaky the GOP should put its foot down, even if there are POP type “rescue” polls showing Moore ahead. We know how the Dems/Media play this game. The GOP needs to be ruthless in showing them that it will not tolerate these tactics and ensure that Alabama voters have a “clean” GOP conservative to elect. It’s the best possible alternative choice here. Taking our chances with Moore at this point is too risky, and if the Dems win they will be even more emboldened in the future. Phuq em, I say.

  1109. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #1128
    Was the FOX 10 poll not reality? Yes, it did show Moore losing ground, but still ahead by 6 pts.
    Not everyone in Alabama buys your reality, or mine.

  1110. Waingro says:

    Larry Sabato?Verified account @LarrySabato

    We can’t believe we’re doing this, but at least for now AL-SEN–that’s ALABAMA–Leans D (Doug Jones). The GOP may find a way out of this mess, but the party–thanks to Roy Moore–is on the verge of blowing what was once a sure thing. More tomorrow in the Crystal Ball.

  1111. Robbie says:

    Looks like good ole Roy’s supporters are going to spend the next month doubting any poll that doesn’t tell then what they want.

  1112. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #1130
    I think that Moore’s withdrawal under pressure without hard proof would be appeasement to the Democrats and establish a dangerous precedent.The precedent would be much worse,over time, than the loss of a seat.

  1113. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #1133
    Or vice-versa. Do you believe the FOX10 poll? If not,why not?

  1114. NYCmike says:

    “Poor, NYCmike. His dream of Steve Bannon remaking the Senate into a bunch of “real conservatives” is falling apart once again.”

    -Not sure why you keep mentioning Bannon.

    I was fine with Moore, Strange or Brooks, preferring Brooks since he had already shown he could win a federal election.

    I want people who will be brave enough to govern as they campaign, and who would govern (pass legislation) the same way no matter if a Democrat or a Republican is in the White House.

    We CLEARLY did not have enough people like that in the Senate this year!

  1115. Robbie says:

    Hannity gave good ole Roy a 24 hour ultimatum. No doubt, he’s concocted a series of lies that will appease Sean and lead to the election of Doug Jones.

    Chris Cillizza?
    @CillizzaCNN

    Roy Moore is holding a press conference at 5 pm in Birmingham.

  1116. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 15, 2017 at 4:12 pm
    #1133
    Or vice-versa. Do you believe the FOX10 poll? If not,why not?

    – I will take a party internal poll over a public poll any day.

  1117. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 15, 2017 at 4:11 pm
    #1130
    I think that Moore’s withdrawal under pressure without hard proof would be appeasement to the Democrats and establish a dangerous precedent.The precedent would be much worse,over time, than the loss of a seat.

    – Considering you know you will never get hard proof, you’re essentially saying “leave Roy alone”. It’s too important to go forward with a compromised candidate.

  1118. Wes says:

    The power of an allegation to destroy comes down to one thing: credibility. These allegations are gaining credibility while Moore is losing it.

    That has made all the difference.

    Roy Moore is fatally compromised politically.

  1119. gameboy says:

    #1134………you are right on. Moore has to hang in there and battle. If he gives in the floodgates will open up in 2018 with endless bogus accusations. It always amazes me how the Dems have no issues sticking 100% behind the rapists, womanizers, perverts and pedifiles they throw out there. The Reps get all squishy when the Washington Post dig up suspect claims from 40 years ago. What a joke.

  1120. Waingro says:

    Uh oh. Looks like ramming something through before Doug Jones is seated might be difficult.

    Chad Pergram?Verified account @ChadPergram

    GOP WI Sen Johnson on tax bill:Unfortunately, neither the Hse nor Senate bill provide fair treatment, so I do not support either

  1121. Robbie says:

    The Alabama GOP will meet tonight to discuss Moore’s candidacy. Without any guidance from Trump, they’ll reaffirm Moore’s candidacy.

    If Trump says nothing, then he will have failed the party and quite possibly his own agenda.

  1122. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes, Robbie,Bayern, Waingro & NYCmike:
    I enjoyed our debate and would like to continue except I have a Town Council meeting at 5:00 p.m.As usual we’ll discuss which trees to remove and which roads to patch. Our discussion has been light years more stimulating.
    We’ll continue at another time.

    Regards, The Honorable Sheeple,Jr.

  1123. Wes says:

    Republicans have survived allegations of salacious behavior in the past. David Vitter did in 2010. Unfortunately for him, five years later, they resurfaced even worse. His credibility collapsed the second time, thus ending his career as is happening to Roy Moore now.

  1124. Robbie says:

    gameboy says:
    November 15, 2017 at 4:22 pm
    #1134………you are right on. Moore has to hang in there and battle. If he gives in the floodgates will open up in 2018 with endless bogus accusations. It always amazes me how the Dems have no issues sticking 100% behind the rapists, womanizers, perverts and pedifiles they throw out there. The Reps get all squishy when the Washington Post dig up suspect claims from 40 years ago. What a joke.

    – So they are all lying, but Roy is telling the truth even though his story has already changed?

  1125. Waingro says:

    #1143, Robbie sounded like Trump just walked away during his press conference when he was asked about his opinion on Moore.

  1126. Wes says:

    The floodgates are already open, Gameboy. It’s just a question of whether Moore will do the honorable thing and step down or selfishly continue a losing fight and ensure Schumer has a lap dog from Alabama for three years.

  1127. Phil says:

    My thanks to Steve Bannon with a big assist from Governor Ivey. A wonderful gift.

    Love,
    Doug Jones

  1128. Wes says:

    No Democrat has won a Deep Southern Senate seat since 2008.

    Roy Moore looks like a kamikaze determined to change that.

  1129. Robbie says:

    The lack of leadership from Trump and the governor of Alabama are an embarrassment. They have willingly decided to give up a Senate seat out of fear of Bannon and the base he CLAIMS to speak for.

  1130. mnw says:

    Wes

    Assuming Moore steps down as the nominee, how do you envision the GOP avoiding the lapdog anyway?

    I believe that I read it was too late to change the ballots.

  1131. Phil says:

    Seriously, only the Republican Party could F up a deep red senate seat. The party of stupid rides again!

  1132. Phil says:

    Simple solution. Put off the election long enough to scrub Moore’s name off the ballot – 76 days I believe.

  1133. Robbie says:

    Apparently, Moore will announce tonight at 5 PM EST that his supporters can fill out a form to report journalists! I kid you not.

    Just remember this when Hannity rolls over for Moore tonight.

  1134. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 15, 2017 at 4:34 pm
    Simple solution. Put off the election long enough to scrub Moore’s name off the ballot – 76 days I believe.

    – The governor won’t act without Trump and Trump doesn’t want to get involved. This is over. Jones will beat Moore.

  1135. gameboy says:

    Lying or not….who cares. We can’t let the Dems and MSM get away with these antics.

  1136. Phil says:

    “The lack of leadership from Trump and the governor of Alabama is an embarrassment”

    yep

  1137. Robbie says:

    Trump won’t go against Bannon.

    Manu Raju?
    @mkraju

    Whenever Trump does address Moore, source tells me he’s unlikely to call on him to drop out of race. Likely will call matter very serious

  1138. mnw says:

    Phil

    That doesn’t sound like a simple solution! It sounds like a complex, perhaps impossible solution. Of course, I know as much about AL election law as I do about quantum physics.

  1139. Robbie says:

    gameboy says:
    November 15, 2017 at 4:37 pm
    Lying or not….who cares. We can’t let the Dems and MSM get away with these antics.

    – At the cost of a Senate seat? Nope. You’re way off.

  1140. Robbie says:

    The hits keep coming.

    David Catanese?
    @davecatanese

    #AZSEN poll:

    @kelliwardaz 42%
    @RepMcSally 34%

    @RepSinema 46%
    @kelliwardaz 43%

    @RepSinema 46%
    @RepMcSally 45%

    http://createsend.com/t/i-2DEC10E907A50F722540EF23F30FEDED

  1141. Wes says:

    Jones knows Alabama won’t reelect him. That will free him up to do exactly as Schumer tells him for three years.

    It’s not worth it, Gameboy. Roy Moore is not a hill worth dying on.

  1142. Robbie says:

    Ivanka can speak, but not her dad?

    Tom Llamas?
    @TomLlamasABC

    NEW: @IvankaTrump with strong response to Moore allegations: “There’s a special place in hell for people who prey on children. I’ve yet to see a valid explanation and I have no reason to doubt the victims’ accounts.” Cc @AP

  1143. Phil says:

    Of course Jones knows he won’t get reelected…and yes, he will vote right down the line as Schumer instructs him.

    Ladies and gentlemen, the next Supreme Court nominee just got very problematic. No votes to spare.

  1144. Phil says:

    Ivanka has bigger balls than daddy. Who knew?

  1145. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 15, 2017 at 4:46 pm
    Ivanka has bigger balls than daddy. Who knew?

    – She isn’t worried about Bannon. Her dad is.

  1146. Phil says:

    Again, someone remind me why Bannon is worth worrying about.

    He helped give us Roy Moore. Isn’t it obvious he’s a moron?

  1147. Robbie says:

    If Trump does nothing about Moore, it should confirm to everyone that he is not the least bit concerned about the party he leads.

  1148. Robbie says:

    NBC Politics?
    @NBCPolitics

    Sen. Cotton statement: “Roy Moore faces specific, credible allegations and he hasn’t offered a specific, credible defense. I haven’t supported him, I don’t support him, and I can’t urge Alabama voters to support him.”

  1149. Phil says:

    I thought no flawed candidate on the face of the earth could be more suicidal and stubborn than was Todd Akin.

    I was wrong.

  1150. Diamond Jim says:

    Seriously, how the hell did the Strange campaign not find all this out during the primary season?

  1151. Phil says:

    1172

    Just another Republican F up.

    It’s what they do.

  1152. Robbie says:

    This Moore press conference is bonkers. They want a handwriting analyst to look at the yearbook.

    They’ve got no defense.

  1153. Diamond Jim says:

    The Dems had no issue pulling a switch to save Toricelli’s Senate seat.

  1154. Robbie says:

    They made no effort to refute any of the charges.

  1155. Waingro says:

    The press conference was an absolute joke.

    I now have the Hannity radio show streaming to gauge his reaction….

  1156. CG says:

    Are people here still defending Moore? Still doing their best imitation of the OJ jury in saying that “sending a message” is more important than the facts or what is right?

    I said he was toast as soon as this all came out. Apparently, this has been whispered about in Alabama for decades. So, it’s no surprise that it comes out when it can do the most damage and Moore has become his most infamous.

    The fact that he did not come out the first day and swear his innocence publicly on the Bible or the Ten Commandments says it all. The man is a predator. That makes him far worse than Doug Jones or any other law abiding liberal.

  1157. Todd McCain says:

    Diamond Jim,

    My thoughts exactly…..it is unfair imo to blame Trump; why didn’t Strange or Brooks get this dirt.

  1158. Waingro says:

    Hannity has a forensic handwriting expert on right now, saying this ridiculous defense is plausible. Moore just bought himself time. The press conference worked.

  1159. Robbie says:

    I guess it was too much to believe Hannity was actually taking a stand so much as just telling good ole Roy to say something, anything.

  1160. CG says:

    Here’s the difference with the Torricelli episode.

    Torricelli actually quit.

  1161. Jonesy says:

    Look I admit to being wrong. I own that. Bash me if you will, but I just want to hold the seat.I thougt it being Bama, Moore could t least win and get booted later. I just hate the MSM.

    McConnell needs to threaten Ivey in a political way. No pork unless she moves this back to Nov 2018

  1162. Jonesy says:

    Hannity is poll driven like all of us. He has not seen this poll yet. He will flip

  1163. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    November 15, 2017 at 5:27 pm
    Here’s the difference with the Torricelli episode.
    Torricelli actually quit.

    – At the request of Bill Clinton. Trump has refused to step in.

  1164. Jonesy says:

    Shelby seems to have no influence.

    This is now on Ivey and Trump

  1165. Jonesy says:

    Sadly this has turned into a states rights issue

  1166. CG says:

    We were told all through the last campaign that the polls were “fake” and “made up” Moore does not care about the polls.

    Those who decided that character does not matter, either on the left in 1992 and beyond or the right in 2016 have no ground to complain. You reap what you sow.

  1167. Jonesy says:

    Todd, this is all on Kay Ivey. Not Brooks or strange. she called the special because she hates Luther for some reason

  1168. Waingro says:

    “Sen. Shelby’s office confirmed with @AlabamaPolitics he will write in a “distinguished Republican.”

    https://tinyurl.com/y7gfmvjp

  1169. Waingro says:

    Tom Llamas?Verified account @TomLlamasABC

    NEW: @IvankaTrump with strong response to Moore allegations: “There’s a special place in hell for people who prey on children. I’ve yet to see a valid explanation and I have no reason to doubt the victims’ accounts.” Cc @AP

  1170. CG says:

    I’m glad people like me who wrote someone in for President in 2016 started this trend.

  1171. Robbie says:

    Great.

    Justin Miller?
    @justinjm1

    BREAKING: Sixth woman accuses Roy Moore of groping her when he was married

    http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/new_roy_moore_accuser_he_didnt.html

  1172. Waingro says:

    LOL. And the hits keep on coming! What a disaster.

    Ian Sams? @IanSams

    This @aldotcom Roy Moore scoop is a bombshell. Includes Woman #6 saying Moore groped her *AND* woman #7 saying Moore hit on her at Red Lobster when he was in his 30s and she was 17: “I go out with girls your age all the time.”

  1173. Jonesy says:

    utter stupidity all the way around on this. Moore, Ivey, GOP oppo research etc..

    all to blame here, and the high ups better get this straight

  1174. CG says:

    Red Lobster?

    He just lost EML

  1175. Jonesy says:

    1192. Jeez Corey, are you full of yourself or what.

    This started with Weinstein, not a nobody From Illinois

  1176. CG says:

    Yes, I’m full of principle and respect for the country.

  1177. Jonesy says:

    1198. Since When?

  1178. Jonesy says:

    Maybe it is better if more women come out at this point. Maybe Ivey will wake up

  1179. Todd McCain says:

    Dems always get their person to quit. The Bannon nuts have too big of egos.

  1180. Robbie says:

    I guarantee you Roy Moore is just like Todd Akin. He will find satisfaction in losing for a cause.

  1181. CG says:

    Ivey should have scheduled the special election for 2018 but I understand her move because the Strange appointment was so controversial.

    If Moore does not quit, and especially with the state party apparently voting to re-endorse him, I don’t know what else she can do, that would not be really dirty politics, and something the Democrats can use whenever they want a Mulligan down the road.

    If Moore wins, he will get expelled, but he probably won’t win. That’s the way the Trump Republican Party rolls these days and it will have to be dealt with.

    If you all made your peace with a liberal like Trump for President, you can survive two years of Jones being 1 of 100. Just remember, “Gorsuch! Gorsuch!”

  1182. Waingro says:

    Manu Raju?Verified account @mkraju
    3m3 minutes ago

    GOP senators growing agitated at Trump’s unwillingness to push Moore out of the race, as source says Trump unlikely to call on him to quit.

  1183. Jonesy says:

    New Accuser is from 1991. 17. Moore was married.

    Just awful. He is a predator like bill clinton

  1184. CG says:

    As for Todd Akin, he was a bad candidate who should never have been nominated, but he does not deserve to be compared to a scumbag like Moore.

    Whether you agree or disagree with Akin’s position on abortion (and I disagreed with the specific thing that was discussed), it was a principled position from a man who lived a perfectly respectable and honorable life, and it was a position that had been shared by many other candidates before and since.

    I felt it was bad the Republican Party threw him under the bus so fast for his messing up in a debate and tried to portray him as someone he was not (pro-rape) while many of the same people now bent over backwards (at least for a while) to defend someone like Moore who they would even admit to himself was very close to a rapist.

  1185. Jonesy says:

    1203. Still a fool Corey. You are no help here tonight.

    Mark Kirk was liberal too, but you carried his water

  1186. Phil says:

    What a stupid political party.

    Nice leadership Trump.

  1187. Jonesy says:

    1206. Be relevant , nobody here wants to rehash past scandals and elections CG/Corey. Akin was 5 years ago, who cares.

    Stay in the present Grasshopper

  1188. Jonesy says:

    Phil are you a never trumper now too. How do we know Trump is sitting this out? From some msm tweet

  1189. CG says:

    Mark Kirk was a moderate. He certainly was a hawk on national security. I realize you might have voted for the Democrats against him who were far more liberal down the line. That’s your right.

  1190. Bitterlaw says:

    Where is the fan of polls, MG? He was mocking me for not fully accepting the pro-Moore polls yesterday.

    If Moore can win, let him win. If he can’t, ditch him.

  1191. Phil says:

    Moore shares one two things with Akin.

    Stubborn and stupid.

    Three actually. Add out of touch with reality.

  1192. Jonesy says:

    1203. Try 3 + years Corey. Jones would be up in 2020, in office until 2021

  1193. CG says:

    ok three years. Big deal. People signed on to give Trump four.

  1194. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, you were poll driven in 2016 too. And you were wrong. Give Mich a break

  1195. Jonesy says:

    Corey only shows during the bad times here. The Good times he melts down and then hides for weeks

  1196. Phil says:

    I’m not a never Trumper. What I am is someone who simply is hearing the sound of crickets coming from the WH. I don’t need the tweet to see Trump is just sitting this out.

  1197. CG says:

    JT, you are far from Dyno-Mite!

  1198. Jonesy says:

    Mark Kirk was a liberal, and had many scandals of his own. But he does not matter. He got his butt kicked

  1199. Jonesy says:

    Corey, the rumor is that you are Pete Wilson also.

    How many screens do you have

  1200. Jonesy says:

    1218. Fair enough Phil

  1201. CG says:

    It’s not Donald Trump’s fault that Roy Moore is likely a sexual predator. It’s also not Donald Trump’s fault that Bill Clinton is likely a sexual predator. It’s Donald Trump’s fault that Donald Trump is likely a sexual predator.

    No wonder he is tiptoeing around this. There a ton of questions he wouldn’t want to answer.

  1202. Phil says:

    Trump is afraid of alienating his base by pulling the plug on Moore? I have news for him. His base in Alabama isn’t even sticking by Moore. Does Trump think his base outside of fricken Alabama will feel alienated if he doesn’t go to the mat for this clown?

  1203. CG says:

    I don’t pretend to be anyone, you dotard . I have said that comparing Wilson to Trump is very unfair to Wilson.

    Goodnight.

  1204. Phil says:

    Donald Trump is nothing like Roy Moore. Give it a rest.

  1205. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 15, 2017 at 5:56 pm
    Trump is afraid of alienating his base by pulling the plug on Moore? I have news for him. His base in Alabama isn’t even sticking by Moore. Does Trump think his base outside of fricken Alabama will feel alienated if he doesn’t go to the mat for this clown?

    – CNN says Trump’s unwilling to say anything because he doesn’t want his past to be brought up. That said, I guarantee you Bannon is playing a role in this.

  1206. Todd McCain says:

    Corey really needs to give it a break; it is tiresome.

    Also, looks like ANWR drilling is part of the Senate Tax Plan so that is how they are getting Murkowski on board.

    McCain has signaled support for mandate repealing tax plan today as well. They might just have 50.

    I feel Ron Johnson comes around.

  1207. Phil says:

    Bannon is hanging himself then. Doug Jones in the senate will be hung around his neck and it ought to be. It also gives him less credibility in pushing his other dead end candidates in other senate races.

    Cutting his own throat.

  1208. Phil says:

    Cutting Trump’s throat as well, BTW.

    Trump will need that senate vote.

  1209. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “@IvankaTrump with strong response to Moore allegations: “There’s a special place in hell for people who prey on children. I’ve yet to see a valid explanation and I have no reason to doubt the victims’ accounts.”

    The wrong Trump is President.

  1210. Phil says:

    Good for Ivanka.

  1211. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    @FoxNews
    “Roy Moore’s Attorney: “[Nelson & Gloria Allred] said that Ms. Nelson after the allegations had never seen or had any contact with Judge Moore… In 1999, Ms. Nelson filed a divorce action… The judge assigned was Roy S. Moore.”

    You couldn’t make this stuff up, its so crazy.

  1212. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    @Fox News?
    “Roy Moore’s Attorney: “Not once – not one time – have I ever seen him act even remotely inappropriate against any woman.”

    Most attorneys don’t hang out at the shopping mall with their clients.

  1213. Phil says:

    What a clown. LOL

  1214. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Fox News: “UCLA basketball players thanked President Trump for “helping us out,” .. .”I would like to thank President Trump and the United States government for the help that they’ve provided as well,” LiAngelo Ball said in a press conference on Wednesday.”

    Actually, this was a two part deal by Trump. In exchange for the basketball players, China agreed to take Judge Roy Moore.

  1215. Paul says:

    Woman number 6 and number 7 this afternoon.

  1216. Bitterlaw says:

    Give Mich a break

    No. You keep going back to 2016. I am referring to yesterday when your pro-Trump ally told me to look at the polls because Moore was up. When I referred to the obvious polling b.s. used to keep Akin in the race, he said that there was no evidence that the polls were rigged to keep Akin in. WTF. Everybody has referred to that Akin agenda polling job here for years.

  1217. Phil says:

    …then China just made the worst trade in history.

  1218. Bitterlaw says:

    Moore’s attorneys are ambulance chasers. I posted their qualifications and website above. Here it is again:

    1017. Bitterlaw says:

    November 15, 2017 at 8:40 am

    Sheeple – I only saw 1 page of what appears to be a longer letter. If I received that letter, I would have this reaction:

    1. The writing style sucks.

    2. The letter is not forceful. “Perhaps” malice? The standard is “actual malice” so the lawyer just told the potential defendants he is not focusing upon the real standard or is trying to bluff his way through.

    3. This is the firm’s website.

    https://www.liddonlaw.com/about/

    Seriously? Moore is fighting for his career and reputation and he chooses a three lawyer personal injury firm. The attorney who wrote the letter, Trent Garmon, started off his professional biography with this summary:

    “Trent completed his undergraduate at Troy University, graduating in Business with Honors. While at Troy University he started on their college football team as the center. This team played both Miami and Nebraska being the only team in the country to play the national champions and the runner up national champions in the same year. Some experts consider the 2001 Miami Hurricanes to be the greatest college football team in history. Trent also played Maryland, Central Florida and that year Troy beat Mississippi State on their homecoming. He played on the team with over a dozen athletes who ended up playing professionally in the NFL.”

    I get it. Football is a great way to market himself to clients. He goes on to talk about his faith and Masters degree in theology. He also translated books from Koine Greek. DW would like that.

    Based upon these three points alone, the recipients of that letter should send a very brief response.

    “Dear Mr. Garmon:

    Bring it.

    Very Truly Yours,

    Big time attorney.”

  1219. Bitterlaw says:

    Those attorneys are playing way out of their league.

  1220. Phil says:

    Bannon says late today that he is standing by Roy Moore.

    LMAO

    What a fool.

  1221. Robbie says:

    This race is all but over. If Trump won’t step in and urge Moore to quit, Jones will win.

    The party has abandoned Moore and he is now being outspent 11 to 1. Even in Alabama, that matters.

    Also, Bannon told Axios tonight there’s no chance he backs away from Moore. That explains why Trump won’t act.

  1222. Robbie says:

    Prediction: Hannity accepts Moore’s story and says he should stay in the race.

  1223. Paul says:

    1243: Music to my ears.

  1224. Phil says:

    I saw the video of Trump ignoring the question on whether he thought Moore should drop out.

    Not a good look at all.

    Trump making a huge mistake and because he won’t act this race in indeed all but over.

    The only silver lining is that Bannon looks like an incompetent fool when Moore looses by 20 pts and Bannon’s credibility, and by extension the candidacy of his dead end candidates takes a hit.

    Still not worth losing a bright red state senate seat. No excuse.

  1225. Truther says:

    We Democrats need to not be so upfront about this. We need to push it from the rear, especially now that gloria and the accuser provided a false statement

  1226. Robbie says:

    Does anyone know if Kay Ivey is actually alive?

  1227. Phil says:

    Robbie, I’m convinced shy doesn’t really exist.

    There really is no Kay Ivey. Never was.

  1228. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 15, 2017 at 7:27 pm
    Robbie, I’m convinced shy doesn’t really exist.
    There really is no Kay Ivey. Never was.

    – She’s like bigfoot. Plenty of reported sightings, but no proof.

  1229. Truther says:

    Gloria Allred would not attest to the validity of the signature. She has melted down on CNN. This could sink everything.

  1230. Jonesy says:

    What is your solution Robbie? To howl at the moon for 3 weeks?

    I have to have hope that Ivey will step in. I think they are waiting for more polling to very todyas bad poll

  1231. Jonesy says:

    Verify

  1232. Phil says:

    Of course, if Moore doesn’t quit, not a lot anyone can do. If he quits, yes, Ivey could call a legislative session to get them to pass a law allowing the steering committee to replace the guy on the ballot (because he quit). Would require some sort of delay to get new ballots to be printed probably. Again, it would require Moore to bow out and Ivey to act.

    But, yeah, it would be doable.

  1233. MichiganGuy says:

     Bitterlaw says:
    November 15, 2017 at 5:48 pm
    Where is the fan of polls, MG? He was mocking me for not fully accepting the pro-Moore polls yesterday.
    If Moore can win, let him win. If he can’t, ditch him.

    Nate Silver
    I wouldn’t put much stock in that NRSC poll showing Moore way down, which presumably was “leaked” in order to get him out of the race.

    https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/930890397810855936

    Let’s wait and see what more credible polls show.

  1234. Tina says:

    FOX Business
    @FoxBusiness
    ·
    3h
    .@Jim_Jordan: It appears that the author of that dossier, Christopher Steele, was being paid by the FBI. It also looks like that dossier was turned into an ‘intelligence document’ taken to the FISA court to get warrants to spy on Americans associated with the Trump campaign

    Boom!

  1235. lisab says:

    has anyone seen the 1986 lifetime movie lying eyes?

    same story the 14 yo accuser has

  1236. messy says:

    1257. It looks like you killed JFK back before you were born…..

  1237. messy says:

    Moore’s an enemy of the United States. He’s an unreconstructed Confederate.

  1238. Robbie says:

    Whoa!

    Steven Ginsberg?
    @stevenjay

    After pursuing a teenager at the mall, Moore called her at her high school, pulling her out of trig class to ask her out again.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/two-more-women-describe-unwanted-overtures-by-roy-moore-at-alabama-mall/2017/11/15/2a1da432-ca24-11e7-b0cf-7689a9f2d84e_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.a8e90949381e

  1239. Bitterlaw says:

    But last night, MG said we had to trust the polls. Now we have to wait to see if we should trust the polls.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW7Op86ox9g&app=desktop

  1240. Cash Cow TM says:

    Rush Limbaugh says Roy Moore committed these creepy actions with under aged girls back when he was a Democrat, before he changed registration to R.

    That sure is a relief….

  1241. Robbie says:

    So far, we’ve had FOUR new accusers of good ole Roy today. I just don’t see how Trump can continue to sit on the sideline. His entire agenda would be crippled by a loss with Moore and Moore will almost certainly lose. The situation has become untenable.

  1242. Jonesy says:

    Great. 3 and a half weeks of howling with foam at the mouth. Tweet obscure bloggers . We know moore is a creep, but it is all on ivey and trump.

    Richard shelby is worthless

  1243. Cash Cow TM says:

    News reports now say fully 1/2 of all females who were teenagers who lived in Alabama when Roy Moore was in his 30s had inappropriate relationships with him.

  1244. Jonesy says:

    I have owned up to moore, but will bitter open to bush 1 and rapist bill clinton? Of course he would not want to offend his latte liberal neighbors

  1245. Jonesy says:

    Mich, please tell me the GopE did not craft a bogus poll? It will make matters worse

  1246. Jonesy says:

    No matter what happens, Alldred should be disbarred. She sweated when asked for evidence today

  1247. Jonesy says:

    At least racist Mugabe is finally out in zimbabwe

  1248. Proud Obamacon says:

    “No matter what happens, Alldred should be disbarred. She sweated when asked for evidence today”

    LOL, anyone who sweats should be disbarred. Good one Jonesy! Man, you must be the dumbest poster here even dumber than Michael!

  1249. Bitterlaw says:

    I have owned up to moore, but will bitter open to bush 1 and rapist bill clinton? Of course he would not want to offend his latte liberal neighbors

    Why do you have to make this up? Please find a post where I ever defended GHWB against these allegations or Bill Clinton or GFY. I have never hid my conservative views from anybody. By the way, lattes are for high school girls. My neighbors drink wine and booze.

    Now that Jonesy has “owed” up tp Moore (I presume he meant to type “owned”), will he ever own Trump’s disgusting past?

  1250. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 15, 2017 at 8:23 pm
    But last night, MG said we had to trust the polls. Now we have to wait to see if we should trust the polls.
    —————————————————————
    BL, what part of poll(S) don’t you understand. I know you just want to pick the ones you like.

  1251. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jonesy is the dumbest lightweight here. At least Phil and Jason “disappear” when called out on their lies.

  1252. MichiganGuy says:

    Jonesy says:
    November 15, 2017 at 8:43 pm
    Mich, please tell me the GopE did not craft a bogus poll? It will make matters worse
    —————————————————————————–
    It looks that way. We will see.

  1253. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jonesy reminds me of Larry, the idiot that was here before the primaries. What a moron.

  1254. Bitterlaw says:

    BL, what part of poll(S) don’t you understand. I know you just want to pick the ones you like.

    Mich, please tell me the GopE did not craft a bogus poll? It will make matters worse
    —————————————————————————–
    It looks that way. We will see.

    The irony meter just exploded again.

  1255. MichiganGuy says:

    BL obviously, doesn’t know what irony means. 🙂

  1256. Redmen4ever says:

    Differences between Trump’s accusers and Moore’s accusers:

    A. No credible accusation of actual assault in the case of Trump. Two serious accusations, one of child molestation and another of assault in the case of Moore.

    B. Trump was a well known personality. Dated and otherwise associated with many very beautiful women. Was known to be show affection for women easily, by hugging and kissing. Prudish girls might object to this. Furthermore, Trump, being a rich man and associated with show business, was sued many times. In Moore’s case, dating teenage girls makes him look creepy.

    C. Hillary’s husband was a rapist and she was his enabler. There’s no dirt on Moore’s opponent.

    Trump’s accusers (all 13):

    1. Jessica Leeds – ridiculous story that Trump groped her while in the first class compartment of Branif where the armrests were fixed, and where a fellow passenger contradicted her story. This woman made all the other allegations seem exaggerated or completely fabricated.

    2. Rachel Crooks, 3. Temple Tarrgart – said Trump kissed her on the mouth in a public place. SO WHAT!

    4. Cathy Heller – said Trump tried to kiss her on the mouth. SINCE WHEN DID “ATTEMPTED KISS” BECOME A CRIME?

    5. Jessica Drake, as in porn star Jessica Drake – said Trump grabbed and kissed her. Did I mention that this woman is a PORN STAR?

    6. Karena Virginia, as in the pro golfer Karena Virginia – said Trump touched her breast as he grabbed her arm when he met her on the golf course. AWKWARD BUT NOT A CRIME.

    7. Mindy McGallaway, 8. Cassandra Searles, 9. Ninni Laaksonen – said Trump grabbed her ass in a public place. NOT A FELONY.

    10. Jill Harth – filed a 12-page complaint of sexual harassment at the same time she and her husband were suing Trump on a business contract. Her complaint was dismissed.

    The next cases were at some time potentially actionable; but, in addition to issues specific to each case, they got lost in the shuffle of nonsensical and frivolous allegations.

    11. Karena Virginia, 12. Natasha Stoynoff and 13. Summer Zervos – said Trump forced himself upon them, kissing or grabbing, and in one case forcing his tongue down her throat and in another touching her vagina.

  1257. Bitterlaw says:

    MG must keep ignoring my posts where I repeatedly stated that if Moore can win he might as well ride it out BUT if it is pretty obvious that he will lose then he should jump or be pushed out.

    Of course, MG would never except anything that indicates Moore would lose as credible. If Moore said on Hannity’s show, “I know I am going to lose,” MG would dismiss it and blame me.

  1258. Bitterlaw says:

    accept

  1259. Bitterlaw says:

    1278 MG accuses me of only picking polls I like. Then he dismisses a poll favorable to Jones as bogus and part of a GOP conspiracy.

    I will stick with irony.

  1260. Proud Obamacon says:

    Don’t worry yall. Romeo Roy will be fine. Fox only talking about the Clintons 24/7 LOL

  1261. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 15, 2017 at 9:16 pm
    1278 MG accuses me of only picking polls I like. Then he dismisses a poll favorable to Jones as bogus and part of a GOP conspiracy.
    I will stick with irony.
    ———————————————————————————-
    Realclearpolitics
    RCP Average
    11/9 – 11/13


    48.5
    45.5
    Moore +3.0

    https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2017/senate/al/alabama_senate_special_election_moore_vs_jones-6271.html#polls

  1262. Truther says:

    The Gloria Allred interview on CNN has imploded.

  1263. MichiganGuy says:

    NRSC internal poll. LOL No one but, BL believe them.

  1264. MichiganGuy says:

     2018 Massachusetts Governor

    Baker (R) 59%
    Gonzalez (D) 19%
    .
    Baker (R) 60%
    Massie (D) 21%
    .
    Baker (R) 58%
    Setti Warren (D) 24%

    http://www.wbur.org/news/2017/11/15/wbur-poll-baker-warren

  1265. MichiganGuy says:

    Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said Wednesday that the law prohibits the Senate from refusing to seat Roy Moore, the Alabama GOP candidate accused of sexual misconduct with underage girls, if the state’s voters elect him next month.
    Collins told reporters on Capitol Hill that she had studied the law, and that “we would have no choice but to seat him” were he to defeat Democrat Doug Jones in the special election next month, according to a tweet from NBC’s Frank Thorp.
    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/360502-susan-collins-if-moore-is-elected-we-would-have-no-choice-but-to-seat-him

  1266. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    “Reporter missing after searching for headhunting tribe…”
    ###########################################
    I guess the good news is that they found the headhunting tribe?

    Bad news is that they will be unable to report any female headhunters being creeped out by Roy Moore 50 years ago…?

    ZING!

  1267. MichiganGuy says:

    5th Congressional District republicans support Roy Moore

    https://twitter.com/VaughnHillyard/status/930831506393718784

  1268. Jonesy says:

    Just saw some proud obama posts from 2016. Said godzillary would win by double digits, and the gop would lose congress.

    Dimwitted moron

  1269. Jonesy says:

    Mich, alldred is taking water tonight

  1270. Phil says:

    Jonesy, Congrats. I see you made the troll’s “lightweight” list along with Jason and myself. Consider yourself honored. LOL

  1271. Jonesy says:

    Proud obamacon. Was that one of your relatives being caught sneaking into north korea ?

  1272. Proud Obamacon says:

    I owned being wrong in 2016. If that makes me moron, then you should also call Phil and Jason morons. Hell, most here predicted Hillary would win so you think most posters here are morons. Good to know, genius.

    And I’m glad Hillary lost, set us up great for ’17 and into ’18 and ’20.

    Buckle up, sport. You should be wishing she won!

  1273. MichiganGuy says:

    Jonesy, Alldred is a left wing ambulance chaser.

  1274. Bitterlaw says:

    Where did I say I believe it? I just pointed out it was exists.

    Are you really not concerned that Moore leads by ONLY 3 in an average of polls in ALABAMA?

  1275. Bitterlaw says:

    1292 Trump Guru predicted a Hillary win and Dems taking Congress, too. Maybe he can hang out with PO.

  1276. Bitterlaw says:

    MCCC

  1277. Diogenes says:

    This stupid Alabama race aside, has anybody seen just how bad the GOP tax bill is.

    It raises taxes on the 60th to 99.7th percentile of income earners to pay for a big tax cut to the top 1/3 of 1% of income earners.

    What the hell is this? Is the GOP hoping that the uneducated Trump voter will save them as they betray their traditional suburban base to pay off their donor class?

    Is anyone even paying attention?

    The GOP has gone f*cking insane under Trump.

  1278. Charles says:

    Yeah Killary should have won. Wouldn’t have that orange jacka$$ in the WH phucking everything up. We can’t win VA, now we’re going to lose AL? Really? Phucking really? Congress is in danger next year and then we will get a Marxist in the WH in 2020. Great job dumbfuqqs.

    But yeah, at least we got Gorsuch. Hope its all worth it phucking azzholes

  1279. Jonesy says:

    1296. Dumbest post ever written here, and that is saying alot.

    So you are happy hillary lost the ability to reshape the courts, and protect obamacare? Just so you can take cheapshots at the Gop?

    Frickin idiot. The Robbie of the left

  1280. Jonesy says:

    Sideshow Charles makes appearence with Dnc talking points.

    Back to tour cubicle mate

  1281. Jonesy says:

    1299. Stay relevant Bitter

  1282. Jonesy says:

    1294. You bet phil

  1283. Jonesy says:

    1301. Dio are you still posting at the alt right sites like FR

  1284. Phil says:

    Yeah, Hillary’s losing was all part of Obamacon’s master plan.

    Who knew?

  1285. BayernFan says:

    Manson near death.

  1286. Redmen4ever says:

    Nevada mid October

    JMC: President 41 Trump to 43 Clinton, Senate 35 Heck to 40 Cortez Mastro 40

    POS: President 39 Trump to 46 Clinton, Senate 47 Heck to 44 Cortex Mastro

    Never-Trump POS showed Trump behind and Heck ahead, justifying Heck’s distancing himself from Trump.

    Result: a murder-suicide. By causing some e-Republicans to vote against Trump, and causing some Trump voters to vote against Heck, Heck caused both Trump and him to lose.

    Moral of the story: with polls, you get what you pay for.

  1287. Phil says:

    The gates of hell opening as we speak….

  1288. Bitterlaw says:

    I have been here more than 13 years, Jonesy. Every day. I will be here as long as Dave keeps it going.

  1289. Bitterlaw says:

    Maybe He’ll does not want Manson. Even Satan has standards.

  1290. Waingro says:

    “NEWS: McConnell looking into drastic plan to keep Alabama seat – asking Strange to resign and then kicking off a new special election”

    https://twitter.com/politicoalex/status/930997240042225670

  1291. Jonesy says:

    Yes Phil. Manson is going to room with Hitler

  1292. Wes says:

    I wonder how Michigan Theocrat will feel once Moore fails to win Strange’s Senate and therefore fails to have a petition to turn the US into a theocracy.

  1293. Jonesy says:

    Red, heck blew that race , as did ayotte in NH. I thought they would both win

  1294. Jonesy says:

    Mo Brooks doubling down tonight in support of moore.

    He must know somethin wes. Maybe that rnc poll was bogus?

  1295. Wes says:

    I doubt it, Jonesy. Brooks probably just wants to stick it to McConnell for nuking him during the primary.

  1296. Jonesy says:

    Whoa

    Alldred accuser had ber divorce presided over by moore?

  1297. Wes says:

    You know, tjis is how things started with Bill Clinton:

    First was Gennifer Flowers. Then came Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick, Kathleen Willey, and the rest.

    I’m sure some of it was bandwagon jumping, but eventually it was obvious Clinton was a major philanderer.

    Moore started similarly with one accuser followed by many.

    He’s creepy.

    It’s over for him.

  1298. MichiganGuy says:

    Wes is a funny guy 🙂

  1299. Jonesy says:

    Clinton survived .

  1300. MichiganGuy says:

    Wes, I’m sure a lot of girls say the same thing about you. 🙂

  1301. Robbie says:

    Robbie says:
    November 15, 2017 at 7:12 pm
    Prediction: Hannity accepts Moore’s story and says he should stay in the race.

    – I pretty much called it. Hannity sorta kinda hinted that the race should be delayed, but ultimately said it wasn’t his place to call for Moore to quit.

  1302. Jonesy says:

    Just surprised by all these county gop’s backing moore tonight along with brooks. The must think the internal poll is garbage.

    Time will tell

  1303. Jonesy says:

    I think the race should be delayed also

  1304. Jonesy says:

    Is it true that each of these accusers have been arrested in the past? Verify?

  1305. Robbie says:

    In the Politico story, it says Senator Shelby spoke with Kay Ivey Tuesday morning about delaying the election. She dismissed that idea. What a team player, right?

    The Politico story also says McConnell spent much of this morning discussing Alabama with Trump. Honestly, I don’t know what Trump is waiting to see or hear. This is a train wreck if he doesn’t get Alabama to do something.

  1306. Jonesy says:

    Robbie you need to elaborate more on these accusers.

    Today’s red lobster girl was arrested to stealing checks and 3rd degree fraud.

    Wolf blitzer asked allred tonight if the yearbook was forged . She would not answer. WTF

  1307. Wes says:

    Be sureof whatever you like, MG, while you’re cuddling up next to your Roy Moore blowup doll tonight and dreaming of the American theocracy that will never be.

  1308. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – MG believes none of the Akin polls were rigged. Care to respond?

  1309. Wes says:

    I’m guessing he believes Bigfoot, the Yeti, Nessie, Champ, Ogipogo, and gray space aliens with anal probes are real too, Bitter.

  1310. Robbie says:

    I find the plan to get Strange to resign and have Ivey appoint a new Senator as a way to start the process over to be dubious at best.

    The easiest solution the law allows is delay the election and then use the delay to boot Moore.

  1311. Jonesy says:

    Wes, you have to admit the polling after the trump audio tape were worse than todays. We all know trump was never down double digits

  1312. Wes says:

    Well, if Ivey’s too obtuse to do it, Robbie, then the GOP may as well try the Hail Mary pass.

  1313. Jonesy says:

    One question. Did michigan predict a trump victory? Hardly a conspiracy theorist.

    He may be thinking msm polls were rigged to make akin look ahead

  1314. Wes says:

    Different situation, Jonesy.

    Trump was going up against an unpopular opponent facing serious federal charges regarding mishandling of classified information.

    Moore is such a weak pol he’s an unpopular Republican in Alabama and is facing a complete cipher who’s flying under the radar during all this.

  1315. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw, I believe in facts, In hard evidence. I thought you as a lawyer would appreciate that.I guess I was wrong. You have shown me no proof.

  1316. Jonesy says:

    politico said trump would not show up to second debate. They are hit or miss.

    Ivey may still do the right thing

  1317. MichiganGuy says:

    Wes, if Moore is such a weak pol than why did he win the primary? Against a sitting Senator no less. 🙂

  1318. Jonesy says:

    1338. I disagree wes. Jones will be up next i think. He has a past

  1319. MichiganGuy says:

    washingtonpost, Paul you are a funny guy just like wes. 🙂

  1320. Wes says:

    Anyone who has to ask that question is both stupid and ignorant, Michigan Theocrat. Since you clearly are both, I will explain in detail:

    As Attorney General of Alabama, Luther Strange was overseeing an investigation of then-Governor Robert Bentley. Under Alabama law, the Governor fills Senate vacancies via appointment.

    Once Jeff Sessions resigned, Bentley appointed Strange to replace him. This had the effect of compounding Bentley’s scandals and dragging Strange into them, as it looked as if Strange were willing to set aside an investigation in retutn for a Senate seat.

    Meanwhile, during the primary, Mitch McConnell’s Senate Leadership Fund, created to help elect Republican Senators, went to bat for Strange as the sitting Senator. They viewed Moore as unelectable after his being tossed from the state Supreme Court twice and concentrated fire on Strange’s perceived strongest enemy–Congressman Mo Brooks.

    Once the primary ended, Moore, despite his past as a lawbreaking judge, appeared more acceptable than Strange, whom Alabamans viewed as a sellout tainted by Bentley.

    Hence, Moore won the runoff.

    There.

    Even your minuscule IQ should be enough to understand why Moore beat Strange.

  1321. Wes says:

    If Jones has anything disqualifying besides his leftist views, Jonesy, the ALGOP may want to find and exploit it quickly since the U.S.S. Roy Cooper is about to suffer the same fate as the U.S.S. Indisnapolis.

  1322. Truther says:

    Maybe the accuser can hire a new attorney. Gloria imploded on CNN.

  1323. Paul says:

    Yes, MichiganGuy, I agree it is all fake smears.

    But this one has a fun twist. She refused to give him her phone number. So, Roy calls her school and gets her out of Trigonometry in order to ask her out on a date.

    That’s the kind of thing I’d throw into a fake account to make it sound more believable. LOL 🙂

  1324. Truther says:

    I am so mad at CNN. We Democrats always had CNN in our pockets.

  1325. MichiganGuy says:

    Wes, if Strange was so unpopular and they didn’t like Brooks why didn’t the republicans elites find someone else? Maybe, because they knew no one in Alabama could beat Moore except maybe, Sessions; who has said he doesn’t want his old job back.

  1326. Paul says:

    With or without an imploded Gloria, Roy Moore is clearly a creep.

  1327. MichiganGuy says:

    Also, why would the Republican elites spend $30 million on a candidate that was so unpopular. Wes, your a funny guy. Keep it up I can do this all night. 🙂 Be smart and go to bed like your friend bitter.

  1328. Wes says:

    Ignorance and stupidity: two things Michigan Theocrat exudes in every post.

    Strange wasn’t perceived as unpopular and was the sitting Senator. Therefore Senate Leadership Fund and the NRSC went to bat for Strange.

    As for your contention that Moore was invincible statewide, ahem…

    Republican primary results[19]
    Party Candidate Votes %
    Republican Bradley Byrne 137,349 27.89
    Republican Robert J. Bentley 123,870 25.15
    Republican Tim James 123,662 25.11
    Republican Roy Moore 95,077 19.31
    Republican Bill Johnson 8,350 1.70
    Republican Charles Taylor 2,622 0.53
    Republican James Potts 1,549 0.31

  1329. MichiganGuy says:

    Paul, your a sad little man.

  1330. Truther says:

    What is wrong with CNN? First, they treat Ted Lieu poorly. Now, the6 treat Gloria poorly.

  1331. MichiganGuy says:

    Wes, lol than why didn’t they run? Oh, maybe because that was back then and times change?

  1332. Wes says:

    Again ignorance and stupidity from the Elmer Gantry of HHR…

    Once the primary passed, the national GOP realized Strange’s ethical problems caused by the Bentley appointment were indeed hurting him. They did what was logical and tried to take Moore down.

    Unfortunately Moore’s apparent string of salacious behavior hadn’t come to light while Strange still had Bentley’s taint hurting him.

    That made the difference.

    Would you like to ask further inane questions, Elmer?

  1333. Wes says:

    Elmer obviously never took a logic class.

    Why didn’t they run?

    Maybe because every politician doesn’t run for every office and Bentley at least was under investigation.

    You’re really making yourself look more and more like an idiot, Elmer.

  1334. Wes says:

    Elmer Gantry thinks a Republican whose average polling lead has plummeted to three points in Alabama after a series of revelations about his past sexual behavior is somehow invincible.

    I’m not at all shocked.

  1335. MichiganGuy says:

    Wes says:
    November 15, 2017 at 11:34 pm

    Once the primary passed, the national GOP realized Strange’s ethical problems caused by the Bentley appointment were indeed hurting him.
    ————————————————————————

    Really, it took them that long to realize? wow
    ————————————————————————
    Wes says:
    November 15, 2017 at 11:36 pm

    You’re really making yourself look more and more like an idiot, Elmer.
    ————————————————————————-

    We all know when someone starts calling you an idiot you have won the debate. 🙂

  1336. MichiganGuy says:

    Wes says:
    November 15, 2017 at 11:40 pm

    Elmer Gantry thinks a Republican whose average polling lead has plummeted to three points in Alabama after a series of revelations about his past sexual behavior is somehow invincible.
    ————————————————————————–

    Wes has now lying about what I said another way to tell when someone has loss the debate. 🙂

    ————————————————————————-

    When did I say Roy Moore was invincible? I said he was popular and he was. Even after $30 million spent on negative ads against him; he won the primary. Even after President Trump campaigned against him; he won the primary. He may win or he may lose I don’t know. Like I said to Bitterlaw, I want to see facts. Hard evidence; not allegations before I drop my support for Roy Moore.

  1337. MichiganGuy says:

    is not has

  1338. NYCmike says:

    https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/immigration-national-interest/

    “In this actual history—not the fairy tale history—the 1924 Act is not an aberration, but an ebb in the regular ebb and flow of immigration to America. After decades of unskilled mass immigration, that law responded by controlling future immigration flows. One result of lower levels of immigration was that it allowed those earlier immigrants to assimilate, learn new skills, and move up the economic ladder, creating the conditions for mass affluence in the post-war era.”

    -Maybe Bitterlaw, “CG”, and Robbie just like the cheap labor…….

  1339. NYCmike says:

    “But the harmful impact on blue-collar workers isn’t the only problem with the current system. Because we give two-thirds of our green cards to relatives of people here, there are huge backlogs in the system. This forces highly talented immigrants to wait in line for years behind applicants whose only claim to naturalization is a random family connection to someone who happened to get here years ago. We therefore lose out on the very best talent coming into our country—the ultra-high-skilled immigrants who can come to America, stand on their own two feet, pay taxes, and through their entrepreneurial spirit and innovation create more and higher-paying jobs for our citizens.”

    -Hmmmm…..Bitterlaw and “CG” biased against people without relatives in America, it seems…..

  1340. NYCmike says:

    “Because of President Obama’s unlawful action, about 700,000 people are now in a kind of legal limbo. President Trump did the right thing as a matter of law by ending DACA, though as a matter of policy he’d prefer its beneficiaries don’t face deportation. Democrats agree, as do a lot of Republicans. So the question isn’t so much about deportation, but rather if and what kind of compromise Congress can strike.”

    -I’ll leave the rest for those who are interested…..I called this cliffhanger…..and if Republicans in Congress want to keep their power, this would be a way to get their voters to the polls!

    Let’s see how much the Congressional leadership likes to win……

  1341. NYCmike says:

    Ok, one more hint:

    “Here’s where the RAISE Act comes in.”

    B O O M !

    If you want to keep the majority, the voters are waiting for ACTION- here is your chance!

  1342. NYCmike says:

    Cheers!

  1343. Redmen4ever says:

    Alabama attorney made the mistake that MSNBC would be consistent about cultural differences, so dating legal-age teenagers with the permission of their mother shouldn’t be questioned. Indians, after all, have arranged marriages.

    MSNBC replies we’re talking about sexual assault which is a crime. Excuse me, I thought they were talking about the letter demanding that al.com retract it’s allegation that five women accused Moore of sexual assault, when only two did, and three women accused Moore of dating.

    In a court of law, the accusation of dating legal-age teenagers would be thrown out of the window. I’m not even sure if the evidence of such dating could be admitted as establishing a pattern of behavior pertinent to an accusation of assault, or whether the evidence of such dating would be ruled prejudicial. A court would actually focus of the allegation of crime. This is part of due process.

  1344. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – I like legal immigration. I like people who choose to come here legally. I like people who earned their citizenship.

    You must not like those things.

  1345. Bitterlaw says:

    Moore chose a law firm that focuses on slip and fall accidents and whiplash injuries to save his career and reputation. That tells me a great deal about Moore.

  1346. NYCmike says:

    No, I like legal immigration, I like people who WANT to come here and I like people who have earned their citizenship…….Cotton addresses that in the link, when he mentions his chain migration pushes some people ahead of others.

    I also like a nation that is cognizant of the fact that it should control its borders and would WANT to have a choice in determining who gets in, which is one of the requirements of the law.

    Win-win.

  1347. NYCmike says:

    His should be how….

  1348. Wes says:

    I wake up to see Elmer Gantry can’t even remember his own words.

    Here is the definition of invincible:

    invincible
    [in-vin-suh-buh l]
    Spell Syllables
    Synonyms Examples Word Origin
    See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
    adjective
    1.
    incapable of being conquered, defeated, or subdued.
    2.
    insuperable; insurmountable:
    invincible difficulties.

    Here is the key phrase from you, Elmer:

    MichiganGuy says:
    November 15, 2017 at 11:26 pm
    Wes, if Strange was so unpopular and they didn’t like Brooks why didn’t the republicans elites find someone else? Maybe, because they knew no one in Alabama could beat Moore except maybe, Sessions; who has said he doesn’t want his old job back.

    I told you you’re a moron, Elmer. You said “they knew no one in Alabama could beat Moore.” The first definition of invincible is “incapable of being conquered, defeated, or subdued.”

    Thus, while you didn’t use the exact word, the context of your words is clear, Elmer.

    That means you’re either an idiot or a liar–or both.

    Which is it?

  1349. MichiganGuy says:

    Wes, you’re a sad little man. I never said that if, they find women that claimed he sexually harass them he wouldn’t be affected and his poll numbers would stay the same. You are taking what I said out of context. Surprise, Suprise. I said, at the start of the primary they couldn’t find any Republican that could of beaten Moore. wow It’s like talking to a 5 year old. 🙂

  1350. Wes says:

    This is astounding.

    Elmer is so deluded he can’t even address what I said.

    On top of that, he’s so stupid he thinks of is a verb.

    That pretty much tells me everything I need to know about Elmer.

    He says no one in Alabama could beat Moore.

    Then he claims I lied when I said he claimed Moore was invincible.

    Then he goes off on a tangent about the allegations against Moore–a topic I wasn’t even addressing in my comments–and says I took his words out of context.

    Then he uses of as a verb, as if I can take someone who does that seriously.

    You are simply amazingly stupid, Elmer.

    Thankfully I’ll be out of town for the next few hours, so I won’t have to torture my brain by reading your utterly inane posts.

  1351. MichiganGuy says:

    Wes, is such a dork. I’m not going to talk to MichiganGuy because he used ( of ) as a verb. LOL How many people think Wes got beat up a lot in school. 🙂

  1352. Redmen4ever says:

    Senator Susan Allen of Maine argues that the Senate CANNOT expel Moore, if he’s elected, because she doesn’t want him elected. Allen would prefer the GOP lose its majority than enable the populist wing of the party to have a seat at the table.

    Since the statute of limitation has expired, on only way for Moore’s accusers to have a fair hearing and for their to be due process is to elect Moore and allow the Senate to do it’s thing. Even though the statute of limitations has expired on the crimes that are alleged, Moore’s qualification for the Senate remains a concern because of his denial of the crimes and because of his attacks on his accusers. These things are not 39 years ago but are right now. When Moore is kicked out of the state, Governor Ivey could appoint a new temporary Senator and call for a special election coincident with the 2018 general election. Hopefully, she can find somebody in the state who is neither corrupt nor stupid. Or, she could put an ad on Craig’s list for somebody from out-of-state who is willing to establish residency there.

  1353. Bitterlaw says:

    Senator Susan Allen of Maine? That was the first clue to not read the rest of it.

  1354. Bitterlaw says:

    MG was excited to point out that Moore has an averaged polling lead of 3% in the deep blue state of California. Wait. He was excited about a 3% lead for a Republican in deep red Alabama? Yeah. No sign of danger there.

  1355. Jonesy says:

    Did Alldred blow alabama for the democrats?

    If this does to turn out to be a hoax on the 1977 accuser, we must admit it could be a game changer.

    and yes Moore is a creep

  1356. NYCmike says:

    Isn’t it Senator George Collins?

    🙂

  1357. Jonesy says:

    Mall manager said there was no ban on moore?

  1358. Jonesy says:

    Mike, I have been back and forth on this bama crap, but this has shades of Clarence Thomas

  1359. Bitterlaw says:

    I think it is a political hit that may have some truthful accusations mixed in with the rest.

  1360. MichiganGuy says:

    BL, you’re just like Wes. Both like to tell lies and take people words out of context. I’m not exciting about Moore only leading by 3% but, I rather him be leading by 3% than behind by 3+. LIke I said in post #1361 I don’t know if, Moore will win or lose but, until I see some facts, hard evidence showing he sexually harass any woman I will support him. This is why Republicans lose elections. Democrats didn’t care what they said about Clinton they supported him but, the first sign of trouble for a Republican candidate and everyone jumps ship.

  1361. NYCmike says:

    I don’t trust the media, I don’t trust last minute accusations, I don’t trust McConnell, and I don’t trust Moore.

    I do trust the legal process (for the most part, anyway), and would want Moore elected, so that all interested parties get a fair trial, either in a court of law or in the Senate. I fear that if he is NOT elected, all of these accusations will just go away, and it will embolden certain people to do the same thing over and over.

  1362. NYCmike says:

    “Democrats didn’t care what they said about Clinton they supported him but, the first sign of trouble for a Republican candidate and everyone jumps ship.”

    -This is a fact…..unfortunately, that is what happens when one side has a set of moral principles and the other side does not.

  1363. MichiganGuy says:

    NYCmike, I disagree. I don’t think Republicans have higher morals than the democrats. I think the Republicans are cowards. Plain and simple. They are scared the media will attack them like they are attacking Roy Moore so, they run and hide like scared children.

  1364. Todd McCain says:

    Alright; enough of the bed wetting.

    House will pass their version of tax reform today.

    Senate seems bullish on getting 50 votes.

    We are getting closer to once in a life time tax reform and a repeal of the PPACA mandate.

  1365. Todd McCain says:

    Also, we need a new thread.

  1366. Jonesy says:

    Mike you make good points.

    1389. Mich. spot on. Republican voters are not cowards, just leadership.

    GopE does what ever their PC Wall Street Corp donors tell them to do, and that is too surrender to the MSM

  1367. Jonesy says:

    you know, I keep hearing how great the establishment did in 2014 with the elections.

    I agree, but the same strategy got us nowhere in 2012 and would have doomed us against Hillary in 2016. Rubio etc.. would have wilted to the MSM Clinton smear machine

  1368. Jonesy says:

    1390. Agree Todd. Thanks for the info. Two Judge nominees get a Senate floor vote today also

  1369. Jonesy says:

    the GOP use to own the White House from 1968 to 1992, except for Carter, but always conceded congress mostly to the dems.

    Then they switched to doing well in congress and losing the POTUS.

  1370. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – Do you believe the accusations against Harvey Weinstein? Based on what? So far, all of the accusations have been women claiming he did things to them or in front of them. I suspect that you are inclined to believe the accusations against Big Lib Weinstein than Contempt for Law Moore.

    I do not know if any of the accusations against Moore are true. Absent videotapes of the incident (really film in 1970s), what “facts” would you accept?

  1371. NYCmike says:

    MG,

    I think the initial pull for Republican voters is a moral one, and fear for Republican politicians.

  1372. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, different with Weinstein in terms of proof.

    He was outed by the NYT, a member of his own party. Gives it much more validity. He also admitted to having sex with these women, placing them in the room. Says consensual

  1373. Jonesy says:

    If those still standing with Moore in Bama, have any brains, they would go after Jones on the abortion issue. That is a winner in Bama

  1374. Todd McCain says:

    The 1992 was so consequential; that is when we lost CA for good and most of the Northeast.

  1375. NYCmike says:

    http://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/harvey-weinstein-contract-sexual-harassment-twc-1201886859/

    -“MG – Do you believe the accusations against Harvey Weinstein? Based on what?”

    -I have posted a statement about Harvey’s contract several times in response to Robbie bringing up his name……I guess Bitterlaw skipped over those comments for some reason.

  1376. NYCmike says:

    Also, in regards to Weinstein, was there some deadline coming up, like a date for an election??

    NOT that I know of…..

  1377. Bitterlaw says:

    What facts would you accept? If Moore admitted anything you would find a few to say it did not matter or that he was forced to do so because of some odd conspiracy by the evil Establishment.

  1378. Jonesy says:

    FWIW

    This Allred thing is looking like a bad setup.

    the accuser claims Moore tried to rape her, but 3 years later was in his divorce court. did she forge Moore’s signature on the document to her yearbook?

    This Sh*t is crazy. Moore is a Creep, but is Alldred going to save him?

  1379. Bitterlaw says:

    I skip over many of your comments, NYC. I get tired of the lies about me.

  1380. Jonesy says:

    If Moore admitted it, he would be done. Period

  1381. NYCmike says:

    So Bitterlaw gets a reply with CLEAR differences between Moore and Weinstein, but then simply moves on to “What facts would you accept? If Moore admitted anything you would find a few to say it did not matter or that he was forced to do so because of some odd conspiracy by the evil Establishment.”.

  1382. Bitterlaw says:

    Jonesy – I think an admission by Moore would still not be enough for many of his supporters.

  1383. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, are there any Conservatives here, that you do not belittle?

  1384. Bitterlaw says:

    The accusations against Weinstein are verbal. No video. No witnesses.

    I think Weinstein is scum. I’m still not sure about Moore. I remember when this started that somebody said that it was made up because it was published in the Washington Post rather than an Alabama media outlet. Now that stories are being reported by Alabama media, that line of attack is silent.

  1385. NYCmike says:

    “I get tired of the lies about me.”

    -Watch out, the river is rising rapidly!

  1386. Bitterlaw says:

    As a Conservative myself, I belittle everybody. No free lunches at HHR. Don’t be so sensitive, Jonesy.

  1387. Jonesy says:

    Bitter, it is known here that you hate the South. So is that why you say alabama voters are idiots because they are waiting for proof and do not trust WaPo?

  1388. Jonesy says:

    1412. I am not. Fair enough, but has to go both ways

  1389. Bitterlaw says:

    I also think that some of the alleged conservatives here are really Trump populists.

  1390. NYCmike says:

    Were there Weinstein payouts, YES or NO?

    Supposedly there were….is this proof?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/rose-mcgowan-harvey-weinstein-settlement-2017-10

    “The legal document, reviewed by the Times, said that the settlement was “not to be construed as an admission” of harassment by Weinstein, but rather intended to “avoid litigation and buy peace.”

    -What is the “legal document” they are speaking about?

  1391. Bitterlaw says:

    I think a segment of Alabama voters are idiots for choosing a disgraced judge who has no respect for the law as their candidate. I have said many times that they have the right to ride this disaster to the end.

    Al.com and local stations are not the Washington Post. Do you reject all of their reporting automatically, too?

  1392. Todd McCain says:

    Trump will remain conservative as long as Congress remains in GOP control and they can feed him whatever bills they want.

    If Dems get control, watch out.

  1393. Bitterlaw says:

    There were payouts. Does that mean every accusation is true?

    I do not know if the accusations against Moore are true. I do know that it does seem he liked teens a little more than the average guy in his 30s.

    I have settled hundreds of cases and drafted hundreds of releases. Every one has the provision that the settlement is not an admission of liability.

  1394. NYCmike says:

    “I also think that some of the alleged conservatives here are really Trump populists.”

    -Not really sure what this means, since some of the real “conservatives” at HHR have no issue with ever-expanding federal power and $$$ outlays. I question which dictionary we are using to find the definitions of certain words.

  1395. MichiganGuy says:

    BL is a silly man now who can’t tell the difference between “Harvey Weinstein who Paid Off Sexual Harassment Accusers for Decades.”

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/26/16526922/harvey-weinstein-donald-trump-sexual-harassment

    Roy Moore didn’t pay anyone off. This was a political hit. While Harvey was being accused by fellow liberal women who could of loss their careers if people didn’t believe them. Also I don’t just believe women over Harvey because, he is a liberal. I also believe the women over Bill O’Reilly because, he also has paid out millions to women to keep them quiet. Finally, if Roy Moore were to admit that he sexually harass any woman I would drop my support for him.

  1396. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – In a primary, would you vote for a judge who was twice kicked off the bench for refusing to follow the law?

    YES or NO?

  1397. NYCmike says:

    “If Dems get control, watch out.”

    -We knew this last year, once Trump won the primary.

    The first problem was Hillary, and Trump took care of that.

    The second problem was Trump, and the hope was that a Republican Congress would be the antidote for the more “liberal leanings” that he spoke about in the past. They have done a woeful job so far, but they still have time to correct that.

  1398. Bitterlaw says:

    Rose McGowan wasn’t paid. Is she lying?

    Also, does MG see the Alabama media stories as more credible than the Washington Post stories?

  1399. Todd McCain says:

    If they get the one two punch of ACA and Tax Reform, it will be well worth it.

  1400. Todd McCain says:

    If they get the one two punch of ACA and Tax Reform, it will be well worth it.

    People are very much downers here.

  1401. NYCmike says:

    “NYC – In a primary, would you vote for a judge who was twice kicked off the bench for refusing to follow the law?

    YES or NO?”

    -I have stated repeatedly that I would have voted for Brooks, the Republican McConnell spent $$$ bashing, in the primary.

    Strange was acceptable to me as well, although I believe McConnell should have stayed out of it altogether.

  1402. MichiganGuy says:

    BL, I will say this again since you still don’t get it. I want to see FACTS AND HARD EVIDENCE not allegations that would not stand up in court. I don’t care if, it comes from the washingtonpost, al.com or from one of us.

  1403. NYCmike says:

    Todd,

    I would also want a compromise for DACA, as outlined above by Tom Cotton.

    We will see if the Republican leadership is interested in winning, or sending messages.

  1404. NYCmike says:

    “If they get the one two punch of ACA and Tax Reform, it will be well worth it.”

    -Supposedly the opening of ANWR is on there as well, which will be good.

  1405. Trump says:

    If there is an accusation, it is incumbent upon the accuser to prove it.

    In colloquial terms, “Talk to the judge, honey.”

    Otherwise, fu*ck off.

  1406. Trump says:

    Remember the Duke lacrosse team “rape” case.

    Remember the VA fraternity “rape” case.

  1407. Bitterlaw says:

    I have conducted hindredd of depositions and cross-examinations. Testimony alone can “stand up” in court. It just depends on the fact finder (judge, jury, or arbitration panel).

  1408. Bitterlaw says:

    Hundreds

  1409. NYCmike says:

    http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/11/seth-macfarlane-harvey-weinstein-jessica-barth/

    -Comedy is always a nice way to get truths out there.

  1410. Trump says:

    Gloria Allred asked Senate to hold hearings.

    The dog that didn’t bark?

    She didn’t ask AL prosecutors to open a criminal case against Roy Moore.

  1411. Bitterlaw says:

    None of Moore’s accusers are going to talk to any judge. No DA will take a he said/she said case to trial 40 years after the alleged incidents.

    Moore’s decision to hire a three lawyer personal injury firm tells me that he has no intention of really suing anybody for defamation.

  1412. Trump says:

    “None of Moore’s accusers are going to talk to any judge. No DA will take a he said/she said case to trial 40 years after the alleged incidents.”

    Then, as I said, fu*ck off.

  1413. Trump says:

    If they can’t prove it, then all they have is gossip.

  1414. NYCmike says:

    ” then all they have is gossip.”

    -That may be enough…..

  1415. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitter talks out of both sides of his mouth. In just 5 minutes apart. LOL

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 16, 2017 at 8:53 am
    I have conducted hindredd of depositions and cross-examinations. Testimony alone can “stand up” in court.

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 16, 2017 at 8:58 am
    None of Moore’s accusers are going to talk to any judge. No DA will take a he said/she said case to trial 40 years after the alleged incidents.
    ————————————————————————————
    Just like a lawyer. 🙂

  1416. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – You are not bright. Read this slowly. Testimony alone can be a “hard fact.” You said you want hard facts and evidence. However, for the reasons that I stated, it is unlikely that there will be sworn testimony here. That does not mean that all of the accusers are lying.

    What do make of the fact that the allegedly saintly and defiant Moore chose an ambulance chasing firm to represent him in his never to be filed defamation case?

  1417. MichiganGuy says:

    Roy Moore hired attorneys that he has known for years. People that he trusts. Makes sense to me. Besides do you know how much money it cost to hire and retain big league attorneys? He may have a couple of million dollars but, I don’t think he wants to spend his life savings if, he doesn’t have too. Is that so hard for you to understand.

  1418. Bitterlaw says:

    I guess you never heard of a contingent fee agreement. The attorney who wrote the letter listed his most important experience as playing college football against better teams.

  1419. Robbie says:

    NYCmike supports Moore for one reason and one reason only. Moore hates McConnell.

  1420. MichiganGuy says:

    BL if I didn’t know better I would say you are not a lawyer.

    A contingency fee provision, or contingent fee agreement, covers the rest of the payment that is to be made to the lawyer at the conclusion of the case. A contingency fee provision usually states that the lawyer will be paid a certain amount of any monetary damages award that the client wins as a result of the lawsuit.

    I don’t think any of these women are rich so, he wouldn’t be getting much money from them if, he won in court and I don’t think any big league attorney would take the case against the washingtonpost unless; they can prove the reporter bribed the women to lie.

  1421. Robbie says:

    Ultra fake conservative Sean Hannity delivered a 24 hour ultimatum to good ole Roy on Tuesday night to explain himself or get out of the race. In the span of those 24 hours, four more women accused good ole Roy. Yet, ultra fake conservative Sean Hannity made a 180 and decided the race was for Alabama voters to decide. He totally backed off taking a stand. It just shows how fraudulent the “conservative” media is.

  1422. NYCmike says:

    “NYCmike supports Moore for one reason and one reason only. Moore hates McConnell.”

    -Wrong….again.

    I support Moore because it looks like it is him against Jones, and I don’t want Jones, the supporter of baby-killing, to win.

  1423. MichiganGuy says:

    Robbie, you’re against Moore for one reason and one reason only; you love McConnell and the Republican establishment.

  1424. MichiganGuy says:

    Robbie, Sean Hannity is a lot more conservative than you. 🙂

  1425. Robbie says:

    MichiganGuy says:
    November 16, 2017 at 9:44 am
    Robbie, you’re against Moore for one reason and one reason only; you love McConnell and the Republican establishment.

    – I oppose Moore because he is a scumbag who has no respect for the law and because he sexually assaulted at least two women who were 16 years old or younger. He is a disgrace who will brand the party in a negative way in 2018, but the real conservatives have never cared about winning. All they care about is SEND A MESSAGE.

  1426. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 16, 2017 at 9:44 am
    “NYCmike supports Moore for one reason and one reason only. Moore hates McConnell.”
    -Wrong….again.
    I support Moore because it looks like it is him against Jones, and I don’t want Jones, the supporter of baby-killing, to win.

    – False. You support Moore because he hates McConnell. That’s why you have continually supported Moore in the face of these credible accusers. You would rather lose with Roy than win with an establishment style choice.

  1427. NYCmike says:

    “You would rather lose with Roy than win with an establishment style choice.”

    -Have I made one statement about NOT SUPPORTING A DELAY BY THE GOVERNOR?

    Yes or No?

    We can’t go back to the primary, so the only choices right now are:

    1) Moore, if this election is held as scheduled
    -or-
    2) the Governor makes her move, which I will support, in hopes of winning the seat whenever the election does take place.

  1428. NYCmike says:

    “You support Moore because he hates McConnell.”

    -Robbie thinks this statement is “credible”.

    My comment in response shows it to be a BLATANT FALSEHOOD.

  1429. Robbie says:

    Secretly, the real conservatives, especially the radio hosts, would love to see Doug Jones win. It would allow them to do what they do best, whine about the establishment.

  1430. Robbie says:

    The governor of Alabama won’t move to delay the election for one reason. The “real conservatives” have told her they’re with Moore and they have a long memory. She is afraid of the Bannon wing and would rather keep them in line with Moore, even if he loses, so they will be there for her in 2018 primary when she runs for governor.

  1431. mnw says:

    There is no legal bar to a state’s atty in AL using a state Grand Jury to take sworn testimony from the (alleged) rape victim.

    However, I can see why an elected state’s atty might prefer to stay out of this quagmire.

  1432. Redmen4ever says:

    There is no statute of limitations on forcible rape. In the first batch of accusers, only one of which concerned a crime, indecent touching of a minor, the statute of limitations (3 years) had long expired.

    Following Monday’s accuser, I have heard some lawyers say the case should be investigated, and others say the statute of limitations has long past. This would depend on whether you think what was being described could amount to forcible rape. But, it might have only been assault, and not even sexual assault. Whichever, the statute of limitations has long expired.

    So, I could see Allred calling for a D.A. to investigate the matter. Lawyer ethics allow her to “aggressively” represent her client, meaning interpret matters most favorably for her client. However, while the accuser claimed she was bruised, nobody noticed this is real time. Not her mother (whom she says she only recently told), not her sister (whom she says she told three years after the alleged incident), and nobody at work or school. Furthermore, the yearbook entry could be fake. There is something weird about a lawyer, even from a backwater county in Alabama, leaving an evidence trail after assaulting a young girl. The FBI might be able to make a determination.

    If I were Roy Moore I would demand that these two girls get their day either in court or before a Senate committee, so justice is done. And, promise to resign if he is found to have assaulted either of his accusers. It is unfair to them or to him for this matter to be “tried” in the media. As for dating, he is not guilty, because dating isn’t a crime.

  1433. mnw says:

    A witness can be compelled to testify before a GJ, btw, by giving her immunity (whether she wants it or not) for her truthful GJ testimony. A witness who receives such immunity & STILL declines to testify can be found in contempt of the GJ, & held in custody until she agrees to obey the court’s order to testify before the GJ under the grant of compelled immunity.

    In Moore’s situation, it would be bizarre to roll out such heavy legal artillery. If a supposed victim doesn’t want to testify, that’s ordinarily the end of the matter. The state prosecutor isn’t expected to care more about a case that the victim herself.

  1434. MichiganGuy says:

    Robbie, do you have any proof of your allegations. Didn’t think so, you just like to slander conservatives. You’re just a troll like most in here have already said.

  1435. Todd McCain says:

    BOOM — THERE YOU GO

    ANYONE CAN HAVE AN ACCUSATION THROUGH AGAINST THEM!!!!!

    http://www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/

  1436. mnw says:

    Redmen

    Nobody can “demand” anything from a state’s atty. I am not one, but I was a long time ago. I suppose one could characterize a request as a “demand,” but GFY would be the usual response.

  1437. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – I know exactly how contingency fee agreements work since I have seen thousands of them. If an experienced lawyer believed Moore had a strong case, they would take the case on a contingency fee because a jury award or settlement from the Washington Post would be potentially for millions of dollars. The standard fee in PA is 33% of any settlement before trial and 40% if the case settles or goes to a verdict at trial.

    A high quality attorney would take the case knowing the publicity – win or lose – would put their name out there for future cases.

  1438. Todd McCain says:

    AL FRANKEN SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

  1439. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw – As an attorney, would you hire this firm to save your reputation and political career:

    https://www.liddonlaw.com/about/

  1440. Todd McCain says:

    AL FRANKEN IS A CREEP! AT LEAST WITH MOORE, THERE ARE NO PICS……YET.

  1441. Todd McCain says:

    I wonder if everyone going after Judge Roy Whore will now demand that Al Franken resign.

    There are pictures proving he groped someone.

  1442. Robbie says:

    Al Franken, call your office.

  1443. Todd McCain says:

    We need a new thread.

  1444. NYCmike says:

    Robbie to find WAPO piece explaining Franken picture’s innocent nature in 3…..2……1…..

  1445. mnw says:

    BL

    No.

    caveat: I haven’t followed this Moore story very closely– other posters here can run rings around me in terms of the facts. I basically glance at Drudge & read the headlines.

    I agree with Wes, & I guess many other posters, that Moore is no longer electable. Period. I never much cared if Moore lived or died, & ditto for Strange.

  1446. Todd McCain says:

    This Franken thing is worse than Moore!

    There is proof!

  1447. Phil says:

    So long Al.

  1448. Todd McCain says:

    Where are Corey and Robbie demanding that Al Franken resign immediately?

  1449. Robbie says:

    Al Franken and Roy Moore should both be gone by the end of the day. Neither will though because Democrats will go to bat for Franken just as the “conservatives” have for Moore.

  1450. Todd McCain says:

    That would be hypocrisy quite frankly.

    With Roy Whore, it is all allegation. With Franken there is actual proof in photographs.

  1451. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    November 16, 2017 at 10:45 am
    This Franken thing is worse than Moore!
    There is proof!

    – Consistent stories from multiple women who don’t know each other is every bit as credible as photos.

    There are no photos of Weinstein and Spacey, but you believe his accusers, right?

  1452. DW says:

    As Wes pointed out, it is only considered ‘wrong’ if it was done by a moral crusader. Because Dems have no morals it is OK.

  1453. Todd McCain says:

    Robbie,

    Completely false; there is audio of Weinstein trying to force himself onto a young lady and its bad.

  1454. Robbie says:

    Democrats will throw Franken overboard and assure they save the seat. Republicans will stick with Moore and assure they screw up the seat.

    Dave Weigel?
    @daveweigel

    If Franken resigned, a Dem Governor would replace him w a Dem facing a good 2018 election environment. Makes it easier for Dems to call for him to go.

  1455. NYCmike says:

    “There are no photos of Weinstein and Spacey, but you believe his accusers, right?”

    -Here he goes AGAIN!

    Differences from Moore:

    Spacey apologized.

    Weinstein’s contract has no bearing.

  1456. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    November 16, 2017 at 10:53 am
    Robbie,
    Completely false; there is audio of Weinstein trying to force himself onto a young lady and its bad.

    – As predicted, you’ve gone back to defending Moore because of “whataboutism”. Democrats are worse.

  1457. NYCmike says:

    Forgot about the audiotape from the NYPD…..good catch, Todd.

    Robbie to ignore all of the comments which show a difference between Moore and the Hollywood bunch.

  1458. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 16, 2017 at 10:56 am
    “There are no photos of Weinstein and Spacey, but you believe his accusers, right?”
    -Here he goes AGAIN!
    Differences from Moore:
    Spacey apologized.
    Weinstein’s contract has no bearing.

    – So because Moore is trying to bulldoze his way through a scandal because he knows an admission would crush him, we’re supposed to believe him?

    It just shows the R and D matters more than anything else.

  1459. NYCmike says:

    Tapes
    Apologies
    Contracts

    Allegations

    Which of these are different?

  1460. Todd McCain says:

    I am not defending Moore at all. He is a creep and should drop out immediately.

    I am simply illuminating the hypocrisy of the left.

  1461. NYCmike says:

    “– So because Moore is trying to bulldoze his way through a scandal because he knows an admission would crush him, we’re supposed to believe him?”

    -‘bulldoze” is your word.

    “Plead his innocence” until proven guilty is the objective way to look at this.

  1462. mnw says:

    I suspect that the DEMs will soon distinguish important differences between Moore’s and Franken’s situations.

    That’s what liberal judges do, to avoid unwelcome precedent & achieve “good” court opinions.

  1463. NYCmike says:

    Sorry, I missed on:

    Tapes
    Apologies
    Contracts
    Photographs

    Allegations

    Which of these are different?

  1464. Robbie says:

    It just shows what a fraud some of you are. Under your view, why doesn’t Franken deserve a chance to prove his innocence? How do we know this woman isn’t lying? How do we know she didn’t agree to the picture and then changed her mind? That’s the case you are making for Moore. Of course, Moore has a R next to his name. Franken has a D next to his name. That seems to be all that matters for some.

  1465. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 16, 2017 at 11:00 am
    Sorry, I missed on:
    Tapes
    Apologies
    Contracts
    Photographs
    Allegations
    Which of these are different?

    – Your boy good ole Roy knows if he admits to what he did, his campaign would be over. He figures he just needs to stonewall and dopes will cut him slack because of “muh liberal media”.