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Jones Leads Moore By 8% in AL

Fox News has come out with a poll that shows Democrats we on their way to picking off a US Senate seat from Republicans in Alabama.

US SENATE – ALABAMA (Fox News)
Doug Jones (D) 50%
Roy Moore (R) 42%

This poll was done November 13-15 among likely voters. It is Todd Akin all over again….

Posted by Dave at 1:42 pm
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218 Responses to “Jones Leads Moore By 8% in AL”

  1. Todd McCain says:

    WAHOOOOOO!!!!

  2. Todd McCain says:

    I am going out on a limb and going to say Roy Whore beats Doug Jones.

  3. NYCmike says:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-republicans-slip-apos-flimflam-100146789.html

    -Back to real life.

    Someone please tell me why this issue would come out of a “conservative Republican”, small-government type of Senate?

  4. Truther says:

    This has been discredited, as much as I want to beleive it.

  5. NYCmike says:

    ODD that Wissing would post this one, and not the other one that Robbie mentioned…….BOTH of them could be agenda-driven, depending on whose agenda is being pushed.

  6. gameboy says:

    The Dems and MSM showed their cards way too early. I suspect by the time the election date comes Moore will be in command.

  7. mnw says:

    I’m surprised that Moore is only behind by 8.

  8. NYCmike says:

    “I suspect by the time the election date comes Moore will be in command.”

    -I want Moore elected, and then I want legal proceedings to happen. I want these charges litigated, and actions exposed, either Moore’s from the past, or whomever orchestrated the release of these allegations at this time.

    There must be a reckoning about this sort of thing.

  9. Todd McCain says:

    Just like with the access Hollywood tape; there is way too much time between now and Dec 12.

    Roy Whore is gonna have to work for it; but I suspect he wins in the end.

    Alabama is just too Republican and just cant see it voting for Doug Jones.

  10. NYCmike says:

    Quick note: I took a look at MD’s and Author’s Twitter feeds…..out of all of the people who do NOT want Moore to win the seat to keep it in Republican hands, Author definitely gave the least emotional for all of the reasons.

  11. NYCmike says:

    I am not that confident about that, Todd, gameboy.

    But then again, I have never been to Alabama.

  12. Waingro says:

    Political Polls? @Politics_Polls

    Alabama Senate GE:
    Jones (D) 47% (+5)
    Moore (R) 42%

    @GravisMarketing/@BigLeaguePol poll 11/14-15
    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/big-league-gravis-alabama-poll-jones-takes-47-42-lead-moore/ … #ALsen

  13. BayernFan says:

    Moore is within striking distance

  14. DW says:

    Update on the death of NASCAR.

    The ‘sport’ has been dying slowly over the last ten years or so due to idiotic leadership and horrible business strategy. First, in 2004 the shifted the focus from individual race winners to a contrived playoff system…trying to force it to work like MLB, NFL and NBA playoffs. It just doesn’t work.

    Then about the same time they took the focus off the competition itself and hyped instead individual driver personalities and conflicts between drivers, much like in the old World Wrestling Federation days. But when the WWF had their big stars like Hulk Hogan and Andre The Giant retire, the whole thing more or less collapsed. NASCAR pushed this personality based draw to fans around their favorites like Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, Dale Earnhardt Jr, Jimmie Johnson, and so on. It got so absurd when they brought in Danica Patrick to drive solely because she was a woman who added to this personality driven mix. A better driver had to sit home and watch because she was in a car.

    Watching carefully one could easily see what fans thought by noticing the empty bleachers each week. Then fewer cars competed and they to drop their standard of 43 cars each week down to around 39. Many competitors just drive around junk and are simply filling out the field. NASCAR took action, but instead of reversing past mistakes only made things worse by further tampering with race rules and playoffs–including the absurdity that for the final ten playoff races, a driver could WIN the first 9, come in 2nd in the last race and not be the series champion.

    But inevitably and predictably NASCAR has failed. Patrick is finally done as a driver. She never did win and never even got close to a win. Newer drivers don’t really have marketable personalities because they haven’t won much.

    Most of the big names have recently retired. Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, Carl Edwards in the last few years, and this year it is the most popular driver, Dale Earnhardt Jr who steps aside. Also retiring is Matt Kenseth–liked by fans but disliked by NASCAR executives because he didn’t play their personality game.

    So with all these personalities gone, and fans not connecting with the drivers replacing them, NASCAR is hoist on its own petard.

    I predict in the next couple of years rating tank, TV deals dry up. Bleachers stay empty, and the number of races drop from 36 to under 30, and the number of drivers drops from 39 each week to barely 30.

    Its a shame, it could have done well had it been run like a sport instead of “sports entertainment.”

  15. Robbie says:

    Roy Moore is done. Stick a fork in him and he deserves it as well.

    I guess that will at least leave him more time to focus on the lawsuit for defamation he will never file against the Washington post.

    Kay Ivey must be a secret Democrat.

  16. DW says:

    Just to elaborate on the NASCAR “playoffs” for those who have no idea how it works.

    It would be like MLB insisting that every World Series goes all seven games…and one team could win the first six games, but if they lose the seventh came the other team wins the World Series.

  17. Robbie says:

    (((Harry Enten)))?
    @ForecasterEnten

    We now have two pollsters who went into the field immediately following the Moore allegations and then again ~5-7 days after it. Both show that Moore has dropped even further than after an initial drop.

  18. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 17, 2017 at 2:11 pm
    ODD that Wissing would post this one, and not the other one that Robbie mentioned…….BOTH of them could be agenda-driven, depending on whose agenda is being pushed.

    – It’s a conspiracy and FoxNews is part of it!

  19. Todd McCain says:

    He’s def not done. He is behind 4-6 points with over 3 weeks to go and most of that in the polling is because he is only getting 75% of Republicans. If he gets that number back into the 80’s he wins.

  20. Wes says:

    Bay, Moore led all polls till this endless drip of scandals. You can try to sugarcoat it all you like, but this is clearly a horrendous development.

  21. Robbie says:

    Did Sarah Huckabee Sanders just float the idea of delaying the election? Sounds like it to me.

    https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/931621737049022465

  22. Wes says:

    No Democrat has won a Senate race in Alabama since 1992. They came closest in 1996 with a nine-point loss. Now Moore is trailing while Jones has hit 50%.

    This is dangerous territory, people.

  23. Truther says:

    Well, as much as I hope Moore loses, it is slowly going back to Moore.

    12, 8,and now 5.

    They need to keep Gloria away from tv.

  24. Wes says:

    At what point do we acknowledge Roy Moore was the absolute worst nominee the GOP could put forward for this seat?

  25. NYCmike says:

    DW,

    Agreed.

    When I lived in California (late ’90’s), I got into NASCAR. I even nicknamed my little nephew out there “Gordon”. We used to watch every week, his Mom and Dad (my sis and bro-in-law)had a big party for the Daytona 500, the FIRST race of the year, a couple of times, we went to a couple of races (Sonoma), lots of fun.

    Once that playoff BS started, interest waned, and the Danica Patrick/personality driven st uff was too forced and made me not want to watch.

    BUT, I still do call my nephew “Gordon”, and he picked me as his sponsor several years ago for confirmation, so I got that going for me.

  26. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    November 17, 2017 at 3:53 pm
    He’s def not done. He is behind 4-6 points with over 3 weeks to go and most of that in the polling is because he is only getting 75% of Republicans. If he gets that number back into the 80’s he wins.

    – He’s almost certainly done and here’s why. This race is a carbon copy of Todd Akin in 2012. The initial polls all showed Akin hanging around. Then the next series of polls about 7-10 days later all showed Akin down by a decent margin. And unfortunately for Akin, the polls steadily got worse. He was left for dead just as Moore has been. And without any other races on the ballot like president, Republicans have no incentive to even show up for other races.

  27. Todd McCain says:

    Wes, there is no doubt. Cancel the election if we can. But it seems we are stuck with Roy Whore.

  28. Wes says:

    If Trump can get Ivey to delay it, the GOP can salvage this, Todd.

    At this point, Roy Moore is only slightly more likely than I to become Senator from Alabama.

  29. Robbie says:

    Truther says:
    November 17, 2017 at 3:57 pm
    Well, as much as I hope Moore loses, it is slowly going back to Moore.
    12, 8,and now 5.
    They need to keep Gloria away from tv.

    – That’s not how you look at it. Those polls were all taken at essentially the same time. Taken together, they indicate Moore is down by 6 or 7 points.

    Given how the party has cut of Moore and he’s being outspent 11-1 right now, there’s little chance he can regain his footing unless Jones commits a grievance error on the campaign trail.

  30. Truther says:

    It is not a carbon copy. Alabama and Missouri are different animals.

    The r advantage in Alabama is significant.

  31. Truther says:

    Disagree. She hurt the womans cause.

    The poling is showing what it shows

    I wish that this stuff came out a week before the election, but I am partisan.

  32. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:00 pm
    If Trump can get Ivey to delay it, the GOP can salvage this, Todd.
    At this point, Roy Moore is only slightly more likely than I to become Senator from Alabama.

    – the race can be salvaged with a delay. Push the date out past the 76 day deadline, throw Moore off the ballot, and put Bob riley or someone else on the ballot.

    Watch the clip I linked in 22. Tell me if you think Sanders was floating the idea of a delay. That’s what I heard anyway.

  33. Wes says:

    The D advantage in Massachusetts was even greater in 2010, Truther.

    How’d that work out for them?

  34. Truther says:

    Yes, but different race.

  35. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    There needs to be a requirement that anyone who makes an definite political prediction back it up with a $50 dollar pledge. If they are right, they keep their money, if wrong the money goes to charity. It would benefit a lot of needy people.

  36. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    The last Gravis Poll had Moore ahead 48/46.
    Today’s poll shows that 6% of Moore’s vote has become undecided or gone to a third party. Jones’ vote has remained static(+1).
    Does anyone remember how much Trump lost in the first 10 days after the Access Hollywood tape disclosure?

  37. Robbie says:

    Truther says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:02 pm
    It is not a carbon copy. Alabama and Missouri are different animals.
    The r advantage in Alabama is significant.

    – The Democrat edge in Massachusetts was significant in 2010 as well. How’d that work for Coakley?

    There are no other races on the ballot to draw dispirited Republicans to the polls. It won’t be hard for them to just stay home. Given the choice between Moore and not voting, I’d probably not vote.

  38. Tina says:

    When the insufferable April said she talked to Hillary Clinton who “was concerned about how Donald lived his life with regard to women”———–BOOM–perfect answer from Sarah “I think Hillary Clinton should address those issues in her own life, before looking at others !”

    Finally, a great press secretary, compared to the bush idiot mcclueless.

  39. Redmen4ever says:

    The Gravis poll will keep Moore in the race.

  40. Robbie says:

    Redmen4ever says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:11 pm
    The Gravis poll will keep Moore in the race.

    – Moore’s not quitting, but how does a poll that has him at 42% provide encouragement for him to stay in the race.

  41. NYCmike says:

    “At what point do we acknowledge Roy Moore was the absolute worst nominee the GOP could put forward for this seat?”

    -Fine with me.

    At what point do we acknowledge that Mitch should have stayed the h*ll out of Alabama, saved $30 million, and let Mo Brooks have a fair shot to win the original primary, without D.C. getting involved?

  42. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:17 pm
    “At what point do we acknowledge Roy Moore was the absolute worst nominee the GOP could put forward for this seat?”
    -Fine with me.
    At what point do we acknowledge that Mitch should have stayed the h*ll out of Alabama, saved $30 million, and let Mo Brooks have a fair shot to win the original primary, without D.C. getting involved?

    – The Senate Majority Leader protects incumbents. Why is this so hard to understand? On top of that, Moore and Brooks were both dead enders who would have come to Washington, not govern, but to carp, complain, moan, and ensure nothing gets passed. Kinda like Rand Paul who made sure Obamacare survived this Summer when he voted No.

  43. Redmen4ever says:

    How does a poll that shows Moore with 5 points – with another 3 points when undecideds are pushed – encourage Moore to stay in the race?

    Because Moore thinks he’s innocent of the charges of child molesting and attempted forcible rape. In addition to the usual ego trip involved in running for office, Moore wants his name back.

  44. Diogenes says:

    Don’t even know why you want the Republican to win this race.

    The best thing for the Republicans is if Jones wins in Alabama and then they can blame him for their horrible tax bill failing. The whole damn bill is a tax hike on the upper middle class in order to cut the corporate tax rate by 15% (i.e. give bilionaires a big pay day).

    The traditional GOP base is social conservatives and the upper-middle-class suburbanites. The Romney Republican hasn’t cared much for Trump but they haven’t outright opposed him either. They will if they see their tax bill go up several thousand dollars. The only reason most of them held their nose and voted for Trump was because they expected a tax cut.

    Let the GOP take a shellacking and learn their lesson. Not like the dems will hold onto the white suburban vote anyways. They will revert once Trump is gone and the GOP returns to the party of Reagan instead of misplaced Trumpian hate and rage.

  45. Redmen4ever says:

    correction, “down” not “with,” Moore is shown to be down 5 points, and that he potentially has 3 points among the undecideds when they are pushed.

  46. NYCmike says:

    Exactly. Robbie will never learn.

    According to him, both Moore and Brooks are “deadenders”.

    This is exactly why Alabama chose Moore in the run-off, because their other choice was “Mitch’s choice”.

  47. DW says:

    The only scenario where Moore still has a shot at it is if one or both of the accusers have a Dan Rather faked-document moment where they are caught red-handed and admit it was all made up. Even then it would be razor close.

  48. NYCmike says:

    “– The Senate Majority Leader protects incumbents.”

    -He protects his power, especially in this case.

    Strange was an “incumbent” who had not been elected.

  49. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is one of the reasons that Biden should never be president. He is asked about his push for gun control, in light of the neighbor who used an AR-15 to engage and shoot the Texas church attacker. The neighbor likely saved a lot of lives.

    Biden response was “the neighbor should not have had that type of gun” — which is the only weapon that would have effectively stopped the shooter in the shot out he had with the attacker.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITOLoyBWOlM

    Meanwhile, it has been determined that the shooter in California manufactured two of his own guns at home. “Ghost guns” are becoming a big issue; a 3-D printer can manufacturer about any time of gun you want.

    “As more restrictions are placed on gun ownership, more people — and criminals — could start to manufacture their own, law enforcement experts tell ABC News.

    The issue of “ghost guns” or guns without serial numbers has been thrust into the national spotlight after California authorities revealed that the man who engaged in a string of shootings earlier this week that left five dead had two firearms that he manufactured at home.

    [Tehama County Assistant Sheriff Phil] Johnston said that as gun laws become more restrictive, criminals will begin to build their own. ABC News consultants, former NYPD Police Commissioner Ray Kelly and former FBI agent Steve Gomez, said they agree with him.

    People are already building firearms or modifying existing firearms in an “unlicensed and illegal manner,” Gomez said.”
    As what has happened in Europe has shown, prevented law-abiding citizens from having guns does not stop terrorists or others obtaining guns. Instead it prevents people from defending themselves.

  50. Wes says:

    Actually, Mikey, the ALGOP picked Moore because Strange was Bentley’s pick.

    You really should have studied the race more closely.

  51. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:22 pm
    Exactly. Robbie will never learn.
    According to him, both Moore and Brooks are “deadenders”.
    This is exactly why Alabama chose Moore in the run-off, because their other choice was “Mitch’s choice”.

    – And because the Alabama primary voters chose “SEND A MESSAGE”, they went with a buffoonish oaf who it turns out sexually assaulted a 14 and 16 year old. Good job, gang. the Democrats appreciate you turning a 65-35 loss into a win.

    Maybe Moore, COD, Angle, Buck, Mourdock, and Akin can form their own Senate caucus and call it “we were the only ones who could lose our races and we did”.

  52. NYCmike says:

    Robbie still can’t write “alleged”.

    And still can’t take responsibility for anything.

  53. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:27 pm
    Robbie still can’t write “alleged”.
    And still can’t take responsibility for anything.

    – Neither can Moore or Trump.

  54. NYCmike says:

    “Actually, Mikey, the ALGOP picked Moore because Strange was Bentley’s pick.”

    -Moore was picked by GOP leadership? Maybe, not sure about that.

    Did he also get the most votes in both primary races?

  55. Wes says:

    What should have happened was that Strange refused to let Bentley and ran in the primary. Without Bentley’s taint, Strange would have clobbered Moore and had no problem holding the seat.

  56. Wes says:

    You know I meant Strange, Mikey. You’re such a douchebag.

  57. DW says:

    26 – it was easy to see the difference for a while, because the NASCAR radio coverage was old-school. Focused on the results, the action, and not the personality garbage. But then you could flip over to the TV coverage, where the commentators were in NASCAR’s pocket, and it was all drooling coverage of their personality stars.

    And then all the double entendre stuff started up when Patrick joined the show. For those not familiar with NASCAR, the lane closest to the outside wall is sometimes called the ‘top’ due to banking, and the lane on the inside is called the bottom (at the bottom of the incline). So the announcer sees Ricky Stenhouse passing Patrick and excitedly giggles out, ‘Stenhouse is on the top and Patrick on the bottom’ (the two were dating at the time). I turned it off and haven’t ever turned it back on.

  58. Wes says:

    When I said ALGOP, I obviously meant the voters who nominated Moore. Mikey is none too smart apparently.

  59. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    The main “fisk” of the Gravis Poll is that the PID is R+6, like the FOX News Poll.
    Moore loses about 14% of the GOP vote,,Jones’ loses 5% of the Donkey vote.

  60. NYCmike says:

    “– Neither can Moore or Trump.”

    -What do they need to take responsibility for?

    Moore denied the allegations. He is fighting them.

    Trump can’t do anything if the Governor doesn’t want to.

  61. Robbie says:

    Wes

    Did you find the comments by Sarah Huckabee Sanders to be a “float” about delaying the election?

    I did. I just can’t imagine they are going to willing let this seat go.

  62. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    45. “The whole damn bill is a tax hike on the upper middle class in order to cut the corporate tax rate by 15% (i.e. give bilionaires a big pay day).”

    Actually, you may have forgotten, but President Obama wanted also to reduce the corporate tax, particularly on foreign earnings. From Forbes:

    “Earlier this year the Treasury Department released its General Explanations of the Administration’s Fiscal Year 2016 Revenue Proposals, known as the “Greenbook.” It includes the administration’s proposals for international corporate tax reform that have little chance of being adopted by Congress. But there are two ideas in particular that should be pounded, pulverized, and scattered to the wind to ensure they aren’t someday included in a compromise agreement to get something else approved.

    The first would impose a 19% minimum tax on foreign income whether the companies bring the money back to the United States or not. The second would create a one-time 14% tax on any offshore earnings that have not previously been taxed in the U.S. up to the point when the annual 19% tax would commence.

  63. NYCmike says:

    “You know I meant Strange, Mikey. You’re such a douchebag.”

    -The names starte again…..actually, where did you “meant Strange”?

  64. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:37 pm
    “– Neither can Moore or Trump.”
    -What do they need to take responsibility for?
    Moore denied the allegations. He is fighting them.
    Trump can’t do anything if the Governor doesn’t want to.

    – Baloney. The NYT has reported the governor is willing to do something, but she wants Trump’s backing. But Trump is being guided by that imbecile Steve Bannon says.

  65. Wes says:

    I can only hope, Robbie. If Trump surreptitiously–another big word you can look up, Mikey–gets behind this and convinces Ivey to reschedule the election, then the seat is salvageable.

  66. Wes says:

    I cut the sentence off, Mikey. Strange was Bentley’s pick despised by the rank-and-file ALGOP for that reason.

    Moore didn’t win because of McConnell but because of Bentley.

  67. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    People cheered with Trump pushed Bannon out of his administration; then are surprised that Trump cannot force the Bannon backed-candidate (who beat the Trump backed-candidate) out as a candidate in Alabama.

  68. NYCmike says:

    “When I said ALGOP, I obviously meant the voters who nominated Moore. Mikey is none too smart apparently.”

    -When there is constant tension over “Establishment” and “deadenders”, I would assume ALGOP to be symbolic of leadership, not the voters. Sorry for that.

    Get back to your name-calling now. The mark of a “really smart” person.

  69. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:41 pm
    I cut the sentence off, Mikey. Strange was Bentley’s pick despised by the rank-and-file ALGOP for that reason.
    Moore didn’t win because of McConnell but because of Bentley.

    – This is true. Read any article written by conservative Quin Hillyer who lives in Alabama. Moore won because of Strange’s association with Bentley.

  70. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    65. – “Baloney. The NYT has reported the governor is willing to do something, but she wants Trump’s backing. But Trump is being guided by that imbecile Steve Bannon says.”

    Your on thin ice if you claim the NYT as a reliable source. Try the gypsy lady with the crystal ball instead.

  71. Wes says:

    I notice Roy Moore is getting no traction by putting on his tinfoil hat and claiming Mitch McConnell is out to get him.

    Maybe Moore needs to lay off the conspiracy theories and acknowledge he rather than McConnell is the author of his own fall from grace.

    Doesn’t Christianity place a premium on personal responsibility? That being the case, why is Moore being Clintonian and blaming everyone but himself for the current situation?

  72. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:42 pm
    People cheered with Trump pushed Bannon out of his administration; then are surprised that Trump cannot force the Bannon backed-candidate (who beat the Trump backed-candidate) out as a candidate in Alabama.

    – Any evidence Trump has tried to force Moore out? If Trump wanted Bannon to pull his support of Moore or if Trump wanted Kay Ivey to delay the election, it would happen. He’s not done so because Bannon has convinced Trump the base Trump needs is in love with Moore.

  73. NYCmike says:

    “The NYT has reported the governor is willing to do something, but she wants Trump’s backing.”

    -Got it.

    She is a coward, and wants Trump’s protection, for which he would get ZERO credit from people like you, or people like McCain, McConnell, etc

    And the NY Times wants Trump to validate a media-driven narrative that Moore is GUILTY of the crimes alleged, even though Moore has denied any wrongdoing.

  74. Wes says:

    Bill Clinton denied wrongdoing in front of the nation too, Mikey, despite multiple allegations from a host of women.

    Do you think he was innocent?

  75. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:44 pm
    65. – “Baloney. The NYT has reported the governor is willing to do something, but she wants Trump’s backing. But Trump is being guided by that imbecile Steve Bannon says.”
    Your on thin ice if you claim the NYT as a reliable source. Try the gypsy lady with the crystal ball instead.

    – Oh God. The willingness to discard something because it comes from a news source a person doesn’t like is so sad.

  76. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:46 pm
    “The NYT has reported the governor is willing to do something, but she wants Trump’s backing.”
    -Got it.
    She is a coward, and wants Trump’s protection, for which he would get ZERO credit from people like you, or people like McCain, McConnell, etc
    And the NY Times wants Trump to validate a media-driven narrative that Moore is GUILTY of the crimes alleged, even though Moore has denied any wrongdoing.

    – Moore is guilty. Stop with the “but muh liberal media” crap. We have NINE people who don’t know each other all telling very similar stories. And just as importantly, good ole Roy has not made any effort to refute the original Washington Post story.

    Instead, your man Roy has put on his tinfoil hat and claimed Mitch McConnell is conspiring to defeat him and elect a Democrat. He’s also become a yearbook truther claiming his signature was forged.

  77. NYCmike says:

    “Doesn’t Christianity place a premium on personal responsibility? That being the case, why is Moore being Clintonian and blaming everyone but himself for the current situation?”

    -I have never read anything in the Bible about a person accepting responsibility for actions which they had not committed, unless you are likening Roy Moore to Jesus Christ himself.

  78. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:53 pm
    “Doesn’t Christianity place a premium on personal responsibility? That being the case, why is Moore being Clintonian and blaming everyone but himself for the current situation?”
    -I have never read anything in the Bible about a person accepting responsibility for actions which they had not committed, unless you are likening Roy Moore to Jesus Christ himself.

    – The ONLY reason you believe good ole Roy is he has a R next to his name. If a Democrat was accused of the same thing, you’d instantly convict him regardless of denials. This is about partisanship and you know it.

  79. NYCmike says:

    Again, Robbie, if you really believe he did it, the only way to have justice served is to have him get elected. Otherwise, the press, the lawyers, and everyone else will depart Alabama the day after the election, and those women will never find peace, because they will be left to defend themselves, and Moore will just go home and go about his life.

  80. NYCmike says:

    “– The ONLY reason you believe good ole Roy is he has a R next to his name. If a Democrat was accused of the same thing, you’d instantly convict him regardless of denials. This is about partisanship and you know it.”

    -There is a current situation regarding a Democrat Senator (not Franken)……please find those comments where I condemned him as GUILTY and said he should be thrown out of the Senate.

  81. mnw says:

    Moore can not win. This is like a plane crashing where people say, “Well, his altitude is still OK… RIGHT NOW.”

  82. DW says:

    “Doesn’t Christianity place a premium on personal responsibility?”

    It does.

    I am not convinced Moore is a Christian. I know that sounds harsh of me. I don’t know what goes on in hearts of people, only God does. But here in the Bible-belt ‘Christianity’ is simply a cultural expression for the most part and there are a lot fewer true believers than it appears on the surface. There are many that an odd mix of Masonic Temple members, Baptist Church members, and yet when you talk to them and ask them about their relationship with Christ, you will often hear “oh I knowd I need to make mo’ time for th’ Lawd” In other words, they don’t make any time for the Lord and they are not a true Christian. When I see the behavior of Moore, not just this instance, but the whole disobeying the higher court, etc, I come away thinking he is a typical southern good ol’ boy and not a true Christian.

  83. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:55 pm
    Again, Robbie, if you really believe he did it, the only way to have justice served is to have him get elected. Otherwise, the press, the lawyers, and everyone else will depart Alabama the day after the election, and those women will never find peace, because they will be left to defend themselves, and Moore will just go home and go about his life.

    – Again, you’re willing to risk an important Senate just because Roy claims innocence even though the evidence against him is significant.

    Well if good ole Roy wants to clear his name, he can quit the race, sue everyone, and prove his innocence.

    But I’ve got some news for you. Good ole Roy is NEVER going to sue anyone because he doesn’t want to be deposed.

  84. Diogenes says:

    Critical thinking is all gone from the posters on the board anyways.

    Literally every poster was screaming about how Quinnapac was wrong for giving such a big Northram lead nevermind all the pollsters who projected a Gillespie win were from pro-Republican outfits who had no polling history whatsoever to win. Turns out that Quinnapac was among the most accurate pollsters yet again.

    And not a damn person here fixed why they were wrong. 90% of the posts on this board are dumb*sses making something up and then another dumb*ss agreeing with them and then the original dumb*ss using that as proof they are right.

    *************

    Trump won because the undecided voter in swing states broke hard for him. These are people like independent men who didn’t like Hillary and suburban moms who saw their insurance rates go up days before the election.

    These people have flipped in a big way. And the GOP isn’t doing anything to get them back.

  85. NYCmike says:

    “– Again, you’re willing to risk an important Senate just because Roy claims innocence even though the evidence against him is significant.”

    -How am I risking the seat?

    I said if the Governor makes a move, I would support her. I said it directly to you about 3 or 4 times yesterday.

    Why do you keep ignoring statements I make which show your statements about me as false!?!?

    Are you lying on purpose, or are you unable to read?

  86. NYCmike says:

    ” And the GOP isn’t doing anything to get them back.”

    -Should Trump write, pass, and sign his own legislation, and decree it law?

  87. Robbie says:

    The Roy Moore concession speech will read like a Breitbart comment section. It will be Tinfoil hat nuttiness.

  88. CG says:

    People here are still defending and making excuses for Moore?

    Really?

  89. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    November 17, 2017 at 5:06 pm
    People here are still defending and making excuses for Moore?
    Really?

    – Some, but far fewer than last week.

  90. CG says:

    Where is Jonestown today?

    Stocking up on supplies?

  91. CG says:

    It was nice of MG to offer his theory this morning that I will not be going to hell for my religious beliefs.

    Others here have told me otherwise before.

  92. Robbie says:

    CG

    Since you’re around, I have a theory there will be a genuine path for a center-right third party in 2020, especially if it’s Trump vs. Bernie/Warren or someone like that. It would need to be a brand name candidate, but I think it’s doable. The obvious name is Mitt, but it looks like he’ll be a Senator in 2018.

  93. CG says:

    I’ve thought that for a long time. I know you don’t care a lot for him, but the obvious person who might do it is Kasich. I think he has been laying the groundwork for that for months.

    This all depends though on if Trump is seeking reelection in 2020 and doing so as a Republican.

    All options need to be planned for including opposing him in the primaries and also having the most electable national candidate available to run as an Independent.

  94. DW says:

    More about what I was saying regarding NASCAR. If you go to nascar.com right now, its all wall to wall coverage on how Danica Patrick is done driving in NASCAR after this Sunday’s season ending race.

    She has never won a race. Not one.

    Matt Kenseth is retiring too. Not a word about him on Nascar.com, but Kenseth has won THIRTY-NINE points races and has won a half-dozen or so non-points races.

    The difference is one driver fit their personality profile business model and the other did not.

  95. DW says:

    And…Kenseth actually won the race just last week.

  96. Truther says:

    The democrats want to blow the race.

    Senator Blumenthal has been accused of rape

  97. Truther says:

    I do not find AG Sessions’ comments nice. He joked about Russians.

    This is a very serious matter.

  98. CG says:

    How come Roy Moore hasn’t even sworn on one Bible that he is innocent?

    What is he afraid of?

  99. CG says:

    If Charles Manson would be better on 2nd Amendment issues than Dianne Feinstein, should Californians elect him to the Senate?

    (assuming he is still alive as of right now)

  100. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    November 17, 2017 at 5:22 pm
    I’ve thought that for a long time. I know you don’t care a lot for him, but the obvious person who might do it is Kasich. I think he has been laying the groundwork for that for months.

    – I think Kasich has burned too many bridges over the last year and I don’t think he’s high profile enough.

    Mitt has the advantage of having been a party nominee. On top of that, Mitt has a powerful fundraising network that could easily fund his campaign. If he paired up with Condi, I think it would be the most competitive 3rd party effort ever.

    Obviously, this is a hypothetical discussion, but it beats having to discuss Moore or Trump.

  101. CG says:

    I’d of course prefer Mitt to be President than Kasich, just as I did the more conservative Jeb Bush to Kasich, but in this kind of scenario, where the Independent would be defined as the “centrist” (although of course Kasich is more conservative than Trump), it’s really the best and only option. He’d appeal to more Democrats than Mitt too and any such candidate would have to try to get votes from wherever possible.

    If it is Trump vs. Warren, which at this moment, looks extremely possible, then there will be a wide swath of ground for someone else.

  102. CG says:

    Otherwise, we might be left talking about a Mark Cuban or a Michael Freakin’ Bloomberg.

    Kasich better be gearing up for this..

  103. CG says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to all non-predators.

  104. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #97
    Debunked by a Conn. newspaper.

  105. Robbie says:

    I would think the best path for a 3rd party effort is Independents and right of center Republicans. I think Democrats would be so united against Trump very few would be “gettable”. That’s why I think a successful effort would need to be able to pluck from Republicans who, by 2020, are going to be disgruntled with Trump. I just don’t know that Kasich would have the money or the ability to draw in Republicans other than the original #neverTrump crowd.

    Again, it’s just a time killing hypothetical discussion.

  106. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    More “fisking” of the Gravis AL Senate Poll.
    Their last poll had Moore +1.5% with a PID of R+12.
    Today’s poll has Jones leading by 4.5% with a PID of R+6.
    Therefore, a six(6) pt. move in the PID toward Jones resulted in a six(6) pt. move toward Jones.
    Coincidence?
    Lastly, the Gravis Poll which showed Moore ahead by 1 1/2 pts. showed him losing 15% of the Republican vote. Today’s poll showed him doing better with Republican voters. He’s losing only 13%.

    Governor Kay Ivey(R) has stated that she is voting for Mr. Moore because she does not want the GOP to lose its grip on the US Senate.

  107. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 17, 2017 at 6:05 pm

    Governor Kay Ivey(R) has stated that she is voting for Mr. Moore because she does not want the GOP to lose its grip on the US Senate.

    – Narrator: Only a delay would keep the seat in GOP hands. Kay Ivey chose poorly.

  108. Phil says:

    Without the Republican suburban leaning vote in Alabama Moore can’t win. That is where he has bled from all this.

    I’ll say this for Robbie, at least he wants to keep the seat in Republican hands and I agree with him that the way to do it is for Ivey to act. If she doesn’t I don’t see Moore keeping it.

    If Ivey really wanted to keep the seat in Republican hands she’d delay the election and the Alabama Republican Party would get Moore off the ballot.

    The dilemma is that for Republicans to make that work ala the NJ race in 2002 they probably need for Moore to drop out like Torecelli did. Unfortunately, he just won’t do it. He is bent on completing his suicide mission.

  109. Robbie says:

    It really is baffling to me Trump is so willing to go forward with a candidate who will likely lose. I’m not sure he understands what the political fallout will be if Jones does win.

    Simply put, Republicans will be in a panic. It will be every man/woman for himself and Trump will be on the wrong side of that equation. That means his agenda will be torpedoed and whatever sway he had with lawmakers will be gone.

    Just imagine if a Supreme Court spot opens. It can still work in 2018 with 51-49, but maybe not after 2018 because Democrats could easily be in control of the Senate. Not only would there never be a comfirmable Supreme Court justice, but it will also mean the appeals court judges won’t be filled.

  110. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 17, 2017 at 6:45 pm
    Without the Republican suburban leaning vote in Alabama Moore can’t win. That is where he has bled from all this.

    – Suburbia is going to be the killing fields for Republicans in 2018. Trump has turned off women there and it will lead to a backlash not seen in a while. Virginia was a 12 month early warning shot.

  111. Cash Cow TM says:

    Roy Moore at his press conference dancing around the issue?

    https://www.facebook.com/TheLaughBible.net/videos/1104873962987430/

  112. Cash Cow TM says:

    Kamikaze Roy?

  113. Cash Cow TM says:

    Walt was posting on the dead thread:

    Walt says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:44 pm
    ObamaCare
    “…premiums for silver plans — the most popular on the exchanges — will rise by 34 percent in 2018. By comparison, premiums rose 25 percent this year from the year before.”

    http://www.governing.com/topics/health-human-services/gov-obamacare-2018-premiums.html?utm_term=States%20Where%20Obamacare%20Premiums%20Are%20Increasing%20the%20Most&utm_campaign=States%20Where%20Obamacare%20Premiums%20Are%20Increasing%20Most&utm_content=email&utm_source=Act-On+Software&utm_medium=email

    Walt says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:46 pm
    ObamaCare

    “Wyoming and Utah, at 69 percent, 65 percent and 64 percent, respectively. Anticipating steep rate hikes, Iowa asked to waive certain aspects of Obamacare but withdrew their request this week once it became clear that it would be rejected by the Trump administration.

    In three states, though, premiums are actually going down. In Alaska, by 22 percent; in Arizona, by 6 percent; and in North Dakota, by 4 percent.”

    Walt says:
    November 17, 2017 at 4:48 pm
    “Oklahoma’s premiums are rising only marginally — 6 percent — compared to 76 percent last year, the highest in the country.”

  114. Cash Cow TM says:

    There once was a candidate named Moore,
    who chased many teen girls of yore.
    Seems voters he was fleecing
    creepy charges come unceasing
    so everyone wants to show him the door.

  115. Robbie says:

    Cash Cow TM says:
    November 17, 2017 at 7:36 pm
    Kamikaze Roy?

    – A distant relative of Todd Akin.

  116. BRENT says:

    moore win’s by double digits as gloria alred case against roy moore is falling apart quick,she better get ready to lose her law license soon !!!

    ps didn’t trump win alabama by over 20 pts,so why are these cross tabs so low,creating small leads for jones or moore

  117. Charles says:

    #117 “so why are these cross tabs so low,creating small leads for jones or moore

    Cuz your orange hero is a god damn piece of chit. That’s why, azzhole

  118. Charles says:

    Everyone knows that Allred is a slut. And yet, we’re going down in flames in Ala-phucking-Bama. Un-phucking-real.

  119. BayernFan says:

    OK wait a minute. A year and a half ago there was all this anger and angst over the possibility that Trump, after being denied the nomination, would run independent and thus give the election to Hillary. Now, I see a Trump hater basically advocating a third party effort should Trump win the nomination in 2020….which, of course, would result in a Dem win.

    Gives me whiplash.

  120. lisab says:

    oldie but a goodie
    ——————————-

    Hillary Clinton so far ahead in polls that she ‘doesn’t even think about’ Donald Trump anymore

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/23/hillary-clinton-so-far-ahead-in-polls-that-doesnt-even-think-abo/

  121. lisab says:

    dems falling left and right now
    ——————————–

    Florida Democratic Party chair resigns over sexual behavior

    TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — The Florida Democrat Party chairman resigned Friday after a report of anonymous allegations of sexually inappropriate behavior, a decision he made after four of his party’s candidates for governor said he should step down.

  122. NYCmike says:

    I want to see proof of that chairman’s behavior….make sure the women all get a day in court and this guy gets the book thrown at him for any crimes he committed.

  123. Hugh says:

    Roy will lose. Fore gone conclusion unless governor and goo in ala gets the creep to drop out.

  124. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    111. Robbie, your the last person on the planet who should be making election predictions. Who are you trying to kid?

    Here again are your ridiculous predictions on election night 2016.

    “Robbie says:
    November 8, 2016 at 6:06 pm

    Give me a break.

    I’m totally disappointed Clinton’s going to win and more than a few good Republicans are going to lose because of it.

    I’m even more depressed that we have to wait another four years to try and fix this. Of course, if we nominate Cruz, then we’ll have to wait until 2024.

    I’m celebrating nothing. I’m pissed.

    I’m not sure if they have any state specific data, but Mark Halperin and John Heilemann both just suggested Democrats could sweep most of the Senate races. Earlier this evening, they didn’t offer that impression.

    Robbie says:
    November 8, 2016 at 7:17 pm
    Lord Ashcroft has the exits posted on his twitter. Basically, they show an easy Clinton win, but not a landslide.

    Robbie says:
    November 8, 2016 at 7:40 pm
    Look like a rough night, but we all knew that once Trump became the nominee.

    Robbie says:
    November 8, 2016 at 8:12 pm
    Plenty of speculation that Blount is in big trouble.”

    With a record like this, it is a joke for you to make election predictions. Then you get indigent when we call you a troll.

    At this point, none of us really has an idea how 2018 will turn out. Yet you are continuing you campaign of predictions of doom. No one takes you seriously — well maybe Obamacon.

  125. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    103. “Otherwise, we might be left talking about a Mark Cuban or a Michael Freakin’ Bloomberg. Kasich better be gearing up for this..”

    Who is “we” you joker, polls show Republicans overwhelming support Trump. You need to end your fantasy. I did not vote for Trump, but would in 2020 over the losers the Democrats are likely to nominate.

    As far as Romney running third party, it will not happen. Period.

  126. lisab says:

    Moore can not win. This is like a plane crashing where people say, “Well, his altitude is still OK… RIGHT NOW.”
    —————————————–

    moore can win, for several reasons

    a.) we are a few weeks out
    b.) the yearbook is apparently forged, or at least parts of it are.
    c.) the 14 yo’s story is apparently from a movie

    d.) the 2016 election shows that many on hhr are very wrong in their predictions.

    and most importantly

    e.) either pollsters fabricated their results or people did not want to say they were going to vote for trump. i would think even fewer would want to admit to voting for moore

    cnn reporter: soooooo will you be voting for the republican accused of raping a 14 yo girl or the democrat who helps cute puppies?

  127. lisab says:

    the polls in alabama were 8% off from the actual results — that is they favoured clinton by 8% too much.

    moore is now down 8%.

    if the election were held today i’d give moore a 40% chance maybe

    that will go up or down depending on what happens, however at this point i do not think it is impossible for moore to win.

  128. lisab says:

    i do however think he should take a polygraph test

    assuming they know the questions going in

    if they allow any questions then the examiner could ask,

    “have you looked at a woman’s breasts, other than your wife’s, in the last 20 years”

    and it would be over

  129. NYCmike says:

    ““have you looked at a woman’s breasts, other than your wife’s, in the last 20 years””

    -Am I supposed to lie when I answer this question?

    I wish I had known that last month……this couch is starting to hurt my back!

  130. MichiganGuy says:

     Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey (R) said Friday she still plans to vote for GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/17/report-alabama-gov-kay-ivey-vote-roy-moore-u-s-senate/

  131. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    At this point, do not believe anyone can predict Alabama. There may be a backlash that will favor Moore.

  132. lisab says:

    Am I supposed to lie when I answer this question?
    —————————————

    when you ask a woman if she has ever had a better lover than you, you expect her to

    a.) tell the truth

    b.) lie

  133. gameboy says:

    #132….It won’t even be close. Moore will win by about half the margin as a Rep normally wins by in Bama. Will take down Jones by 8-10 points. Do you really think Alabama is going to put a Dem in the Senate who thinks it’s OK to abort at nine months?? If they came out with this garbage the weekend before the 12th it might have worked. This won’t even be talked about in two weeks.

  134. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    lisab is a special kind of retard. A third-party left voter who reads almost entirely alt-right news and repeats their bad talking points.

    What a unique snowflake.

  135. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    The Alabama governor is not going to budge an inch nor is the Alabama GOP. They might have if Trump stepped in but he ran away like a little coward because he has sex assault lawsuits of his own.

    The governor has to deal with a primary next year anyways. Good little Republican turds always look out for themselves first.

    Roy Moore isn’t even a good candidate for Alabama as he is for some gun control and abortion rights and he still might win … in Alabama! And if Roy wins, the GOP expulses him anyways.

    Thank you Roy Moore! Win win win!

  136. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Doug Jones* isn’t even a good candidiate ..

  137. lisab says:

    TrumpIsPeteWilson,

    sorry that was from MASSACHUSETT’s local news

    but good luck in your robbie troll echo chamber

  138. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    “b.) the yearbook is apparently forged, or at least parts of it are.
    c.) the 14 yo’s story is apparently from a movie”

    Riiiight … the local news said stupid falsehoods. You dumb bitch. I’m glad I never sent my kids to public schools to be taught by morons like you.

  139. janz says:

    Here is an interesting enlarged photo of the now infamous Roy Moore yearbook notation.

    It’s suspect that the script would be in black pen, all the way through the first name of the signature, which some say is actually “Ray,” not Roy, who was the woman’s boyfriend at the time. The remainder of the written part is in blue ink. From this particular shot it looks like it could well be a forgery to me.

    Whatever…it appears that Alabama will decide it’s own fate on this one.

  140. lisab says:

    b.) the yearbook is apparently forged, or at least parts of it are.
    c.) the 14 yo’s story is apparently from a movie”
    —————————-

    boston herald reporter

  141. lisab says:

    the 14 yo’s story is apparently from a movie
    —————————————-

    old news — lifetime movie

  142. lisab says:

    b.) the yearbook is apparently forged, or at least parts of it are.
    ————————–

    today’s news

    alred refused to turn the yearbook over

    but you/robbie be the judge

  143. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Link it you stupid f*ck. Oh right, you’re making it up and probably quoting a breitbart article that uses a small nippet of the herald which references something else.

    Do you teach something useless like Art Tina? I can’t believe even the incredibly low standards of the public school system would keep someone like you in their employ otherwise.

  144. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    And Janz pops up with a picture from Facebook as a source.

    Wow, what a f*cking retard you are too.

    No wonder you eat Trump’s sh*t and call it milk and honey. Dumbas*.

  145. lisab says:

    janz,

    most people don’t know this but prior to 1960, almost all people were taught the palmer system of cursive writing

    after 1960 students were taught the zaner-blozer method. moore would have been taught palmer, his accuser and anyone her age would have been taught zaner-blozer. they actually look similar except that

    in zaner-blozer you do not lift your pen from the page when you make letters. in palmer you do.

    if you look at the “R” in Roy there is a loop at the bottom of the “R”. the person made the “R” using the zaner-blozer method, as the pen stroked down and then back up, as you would in that method. in the palmer method, you would have the down stroke but then you would pick your pen off the paper to make the rest of the R.

    few people under 70 would know that, as the forger obviously did not know. Also, the palmer method had long skinny loops in “y”‘s and the zaner-blozer method has fat short loops.

    in short, the yearbook, or at least parts of it are almost certainly forged

  146. lisab says:

    sorry trump is pete wilson

    you are simply wrong.

    too bad so sad.

  147. lisab says:

    however, again …

    the fact that the 14 yo’s story mtches a lifetime movie from 1986

    does NOT mean that she is not telling the truth. life can immitate art. her story was always questionable anyway. a polygraph would help.

    the yearbook is simply a forgery, or at least parts probably are.

    however, as i said before, the attack in the car is at least believable. it may not invlve roy moore, i have no way of knowing, but it is certainly VERY consistent with what other women who have been sexually assaulted have gone through.

  148. lisab says:

    my opinion based on what i have read

    the 14yo’s story is not true, at least moore was not involved … i give here story about a 10% chance of being true. could it be true? yes. it just doesn’t match most predator/teen interactions. the fact that it matches a lifetime movie does not help.

    the lady in the car i would say has 90% credibility, at least as far as being sexually assaulted. it is very common and her story matches many others. therefore, i believe her story …

    but i have no idea if moore was the man in the story. could he be? sure.

    her story is much more credible, but the yearbook is not that credible and undermines her story.

  149. janz says:

    Lisab, Thanks for the handwriting info. I certainly didn’t know the distinctions relating to the different methods taught during different eras. Fascinating….

    BTW, the mall story appears to be untrue as well, in that apparently Moore wasn’t banned. I don’t think this will make much difference, as the dem/Allred damage has been successfully carried out to disrupt the election next month.

  150. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Still no link to a creeible source. You f*cking idiots. Making up sh*t and getting another moron to agree with you is nkt a legitimate argument but then again thats why you’re a useless kindergarten teacher.

  151. Bitterlaw says:

    Moore will lose. If I am wrong, I will send $50 to a charity to focuses on cancer – either Alex’s Lemonade Stand or Lauren’s Fight for the Cure.

  152. Bitterlaw says:

    I posted on FB last night that I was going to watch the men’s basketball game between Lafayette and Villanova. Lafayette was my college. Villanova was my law school. I said that if Lafayette lost be less than 30 I would storm the court….I did not have to storm the court. They lost by 47.

    Wissing takes great joy in this.

  153. Wes says:

    You know, I’ve had my share of wrong predictions. For instance, I predicted Trump would lose and Gillespie would win, in each instance overlooking a key factor in this race leading to the opposite outcome of what I anticipated: the intensity of deep-rooted opposition to a presidential candidate or President.

    That said, the comments I see on here saying Roy Moore either is likely to win or will win by a comfortable margin are not ones rooted in reality. Moore is mired in a scandal with endless drips in it and has either completely fallen behind or dropped to within the margin of error of Jones depending on the poll.

    This should send out red flags rather pollyannish predictions that Moore will inevitably win. The Alabama Class 2 Senate seat is in critical danger of falling to the opposition, yet some on here act as if this is a normal election and still think Moore can’t lose.

    Those posters with that mentality are near certain to be highly disappointed in 23 days.

  154. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Moore will win because Moore will win. How can you deny that logic?

  155. messy says:

    136. The Governor of Alabama says she believes that Moore is guilty and she will vote for him anyway, thus declaring to the world that Alabama is “the Pediaphile state.”

    This is not good for Alabama, the South in general or the Nation as a whole.

  156. mnw says:

    I agree with Wes about Moore losing. Longtime posters will know I have not ALWAYS agreed with Wes. (This is what we call “an understatement.”)

    I suggest posters who think Moore can pull this out are engaged in wishful thinking.

    Btw, my official prediction that Gillespie would win? That’s mine, & I own my error 100%. However, & you are free to scoff, I actually believed that Gillespie would LOSE— I just wanted to show solidarity with, & appreciation of, DW’s fine reporting..

  157. Wes says:

    I wholly agree, Mnw. Unless Jones has his own disqualifying scandal, Roy Moore will be known as they guy who was twice kicked off a court and blew an unloseable Senate race.

  158. Bitterlaw says:

    DW is a fine poster. An insightful man with deep convictions. However, referring to NASCAR as a “sport” should not be allowed to go unchallenged. Cares are not athletes. Drivers are incredibly skilled and it does take endurance and concentration to always turn left but it is not a sport.

  159. mnw says:

    postscript to BL’s 160:

    DW

    Patrick did win a major Formula 1 race in Japan. ( I realize it wasn’t a NASCAR event.)

  160. mnw says:

    I took my kids to a NASCAR race in Madison, IL about 2 yrs ago. I’d never been to an auto race before.

    Bottomline: I don’t think NASCAR is something you can learn to live late in life. NHL? Definitely!

  161. mnw says:

    learn to love

  162. Robbie says:

    BayernFan says:
    November 17, 2017 at 9:49 pm
    OK wait a minute. A year and a half ago there was all this anger and angst over the possibility that Trump, after being denied the nomination, would run independent and thus give the election to Hillary. Now, I see a Trump hater basically advocating a third party effort should Trump win the nomination in 2020….which, of course, would result in a Dem win.
    Gives me whiplash.

    – Trump’s a disgrace and his administration is a disaster. He’s taking his advice from Steve Bannon and Sean Hannity. That’s embarrassing. I don’t want to see him remain president after 2020 and I think he’s well on his way to making sure he isn’t president after 2020. Unfortunately, he’s taking the entire party down with him.

    Populism is garbage.

  163. Tina says:

    Any muh russian news?

  164. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 17, 2017 at 10:31 pm
    111. Robbie, your the last person on the planet who should be making election predictions. Who are you trying to kid?
    Here again are your ridiculous predictions on election night 2016.

    – Question? Do you understand the difference between a reaction and a prediction? Because each of the comments you reposted were reactions to what the exit polls said. They were not predictions.

  165. Tina says:

    Janz, I do not think part of it was in blue and the other part in black. I think somebody altered the coloring.

    With that said, without the original source document, ie the yearbook, and documents signed by him personally at the time, a signature analysis is bogus. No credit analyst will make claims,

    I do be,eive that allred, the loon kawyah, is making mistakes thiough.

  166. Tina says:

    Debt to gdp ratio reduced by 1% under trump.

  167. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    November 17, 2017 at 10:38 pm
    Moore can not win. This is like a plane crashing where people say, “Well, his altitude is still OK… RIGHT NOW.”
    —————————————–
    moore can win, for several reasons
    a.) we are a few weeks out
    b.) the yearbook is apparently forged, or at least parts of it are.
    c.) the 14 yo’s story is apparently from a movie
    d.) the 2016 election shows that many on hhr are very wrong in their predictions.
    and most importantly
    e.) either pollsters fabricated their results or people did not want to say they were going to vote for trump. i would think even fewer would want to admit to voting for moore
    cnn reporter: soooooo will you be voting for the republican accused of raping a 14 yo girl or the democrat who helps cute puppies?

    – Almost all of this is just fever swamp conspiracy theory nonsense that I would expect to read on Gateway Pundit or some other garbage website.

    The yearbook is forged? Based on what? The fact it shoots a whole in good ole Roy’s story?

    The 14 year old’s story is from a movie? Says who? Show your work or you’re just promoting a lie.

    Pollsters are no fabricating their results? Give me break. If the polls showed Moore ahead, you wouldn’t claim they were fabricated.

  168. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    2h
    Crooked Hillary Clinton is the worst (and biggest) loser of all time. She just can’t stop, which is so good for the Republican Party. Hillary, get on with your life and give it another try in three years!

    The jebots candidate is a disgrace. Quit the conspiracy lunancy.

  169. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 17, 2017 at 11:02 pm
    At this point, do not believe anyone can predict Alabama. There may be a backlash that will favor Moore.

    – Also, the only poll that matters is the one on election day. Clichés are the last refuge of losing campaigns.

  170. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    November 18, 2017 at 2:08 am
    b.) the yearbook is apparently forged, or at least parts of it are.
    ————————–
    today’s news
    alred refused to turn the yearbook over
    but you/robbie be the judge

    – I’m more than happy to judge a man who sexually assaulted a 14 year old and a 16 year old. That you’re not says everything I need to know about you. All that matters to you is whether someone has a R or D after his/her name.

  171. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #171
    The master of cliches speaks!

  172. Robbie says:

    messy says:
    November 18, 2017 at 9:33 am
    136. The Governor of Alabama says she believes that Moore is guilty and she will vote for him anyway, thus declaring to the world that Alabama is “the Pediaphile state.”
    This is not good for Alabama, the South in general or the Nation as a whole.

    – The governor of Alabama has decided she will need the Roy Moore base in her own primary next Spring and she doesn’t want to piss them off. So for that reason, she has decided to roll with good ole Roy and risk losing an unlosable seat. After the loss, she is the one who should deserve scorn. She is the one who has refused to act in the best interest of the party and the state of Alabama.

  173. Paul says:

    Pot calls the kettle black.

    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    2h
    Crooked Hillary Clinton is the worst (and biggest) loser of all time. She just can’t stop, which is so good for the Republican Party. Hillary, get on with your life and give it another try in three years!

    The jebots candidate is a disgrace. Quit the conspiracy lunancy.

  174. mnw says:

    Moore HAS helped me understand Pickett’s Charge better.

  175. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    November 18, 2017 at 11:16 am
    Moore HAS helped me understand Pickett’s Charge better.

    – Charge of the Light Brigade as well.

  176. Tina says:

    Allred is not turning over the yearbook? I though she said she was?

  177. janz says:

    Allred will only agree to turn over the year book if a Senate subcommittee is convened to investigate the charges made against Moore. Of course by then the election will be over, and Allred’s mission will be a fait complete – electing a dem.

  178. lisab says:

    That said, the comments I see on here saying Roy Moore either is likely to win or will win by a comfortable margin are not ones rooted in reality.
    ——————————————-

    i think moore cannot win by a comfortable amount unless something big happens

    i think he definitely can win

    but i hope he loses because he is a theocrat and i am opposed to people basing law on their religious beliefs.

  179. lisab says:

    Allred is not turning over the yearbook?
    ——————————————

    apparently at least parts of it are forged

    just a glance shows that one part is in script and the other is in manuscript (printing)

    plus as i said above, it was made using the zaner-blozer method of cursive, which was taught from the mid-sixties to about 1980. roy moore would have been taught the palmer method and after 1980 you would have been taught the dnealian method

  180. lisab says:

    I’m more than happy to judge a man who sexually assaulted a 14 year old and a 16 year old. That you’re not says everything I need to know about you. All that matters to you is whether someone has a R or D after his/her name.
    —————————————

    it says that i won’t condemn a man without evidence

    and as anyone who has been here knows, moore is just about my least favourite person of all time

    i am a secularist. mixing religion and law does appeal to me at all.

    that you are willing to judge a man without evidence because of their party says a lot about you

  181. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    182. “it says that i won’t condemn a man without evidence. . .”

    Totally agree with everything that lisab said.

  182. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    171. – Also, the only poll that matters is the one on election day. Clichés are the last refuge of losing campaigns.

    And Robbie you should certainly know, since you have supported so many losing campaigns. But then, you say your comments are “reactions to what the exit polls said. They were not predictions.” So when the polls you post prove wrong, it does make your comments wrong. But when others say the polls could be wrong, you attack them for using “cliches,” since the polls are so reliable.

    You cannot have it both ways. Bad troll, no biscuit.

  183. DW says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 18, 2017 at 10:05 am

    DW is a fine poster. An insightful man with deep convictions. However, referring to NASCAR as a “sport” should not be allowed to go unchallenged. Cares are not athletes. Drivers are incredibly skilled and it does take endurance and concentration to always turn left but it is not a sport.

    –Bitter, if you go and read my posts, I was very critical of NASCAR and specifically said it was NOT a sport, but rather ‘Sports entertainment’ along the lines of professional wrestling.

    Drivers are not athletes. One look at Tony Stewart–easily 40 pounds overweight for most of his career. They do get tired out and dehydrated and so forth, but they are not athletes.

  184. Wes says:

    The hits keep coming. Jones now leads the RCP average:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2017/senate/al/alabama_senate_special_election_moore_vs_jones-6271.html

    How can this be? Upthread I read Moore will win a not close race.

  185. Wes says:

    For the record, until now, no Democrat has come close to leading any poll in the RCP aversge for Alabama Senate races.

    Hey, I know!

    Let’s nominate a theocrat who’s been thrown off the State Supreme Court twice to replace a Senator who had never had a close election!

    What could possibly go wrong?

  186. Wes says:

    …should be Moore’s campsign’s theme song.

  187. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    From Breitbart:

    “AL Senate President Del Marsh: Roy Moore Allegations Could Be Part of a ‘Washington Conspiracy’”

    Yes, the conspiracy is called a political campaign. If you run for national office, expect your life to be examined in microscopic detail, and any perceived issue reported and magnified into a great matter. It happens to about every candidate.

    If you were in your early 30’s and enjoyed lurking around shopping malls with teenagers, people are going to hear about it. If you claim to be a moral pillar of religious rectitude; your going to have some explaining to do. Maybe he can claim he was not at fault since at the time he was addicted to moonshine.
    He can play the victim — his hillbilly neighbors with the strange drink in the jug were the ones really responsible.

    If the Democrats pick up the seat, which may well happen, then Bannon has some explaining to do. Bannon should switch to making moonshine, the world would be a better place.

  188. Wes says:

    Here’s one I just heard about:

    http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/new_roy_moore_accuser_he_didnt.html

    At some point, even the evangelical Christians will turn on Moore over this.

  189. Cash Cow TM says:

    What zactly did the UCLA bassetball idiots shoplift in China?

  190. Cash Cow TM says:

    Roy Moore
    shook us to the core
    should hit the door
    the lousy boor
    makes us sore

  191. Wes says:

    I don’t thi nk Walt likes Roy Moore.

  192. Paul says:

    I am the Deputy DA
    Upon young girls, I like to prey
    It doesn’t really matter what they say
    They won’t be believed anyway.

  193. lisab says:

    77% of College-Educated Democrats Say Gender Not Determined at Birth.

  194. lisab says:

    franken on mccain

    “As far as I’m concerned he sat out the war.”

  195. Tina says:

    And Robbie you should certainly know, since you have supported so many losing campaigns.

    Boom.

  196. Tina says:

    Franken did a mock groping.

    Uh, no, he did a sexial assault. The woman was sleeping.

    Gope crickets.

  197. Paul says:

    Franken, Franken
    should get more than a spank’n
    I think he must’ve been blank’n
    in the head.
    when he did
    what he did
    for the camera dude

    because what he did
    is really really sick
    not a funny little flick
    he looks like a prick
    and disgusting little dick
    when pretending to
    make a grab for the boob.

  198. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    198. Here is the Franken quote: “I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don’t buy the war hero thing,” Franken wrote in an essay about the 2000 elections. “Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I’m concerned he sat out the war.”

    Am sure some trolls on the board will say this comment was harmless, since he later claimed it was a joke, while they continue to attack Trump’s stupid comment.

  199. Paul says:

    Franken, Franken
    should get more than a spank’n
    I think he must’ve been blank’n
    in the head.
    when he did
    what he did
    for the camera dude

    because what he did
    is really really sick
    not a funny little flick
    he looks like a prick
    and disgusting little dick
    when he pretended to
    grab a boob.

    (I felt like the cadence of the last line needed improved 🙂

  200. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    194, 196, 201. The board is waxing poetic — all of those are funny.

  201. Tina says:

    If the judge did not pen it, he goes to the senate.

    Lol, from anither person on twitter.

    Reminiscent of Johnny Cochrane.

  202. Bitterlaw says:

    The hits keep coming. Jones now leads the RCP average

    Wes – Impossible. MG told us earlier in the week that Moore would win because he was still +3 in RCP.

  203. lisab says:

    Bill O’Neill Running For Ohio Governor Boasts On Facebook He’s Bedded 50 Women

    “In the last fifty years I was sexually intimate with approximately 50 very attractive females,” O’Neill wrote. “It ranged from a gorgeous personal secretary to Senator Bob Taft (Senior) who was my first true love and we made passionate love in the hayloft of her parents barn and ended with a drop dead gorgeous red head … in Cleveland.”

  204. MichiganGuy says:

    #206 Another lie from Bitterlaw. Surprise, Surprise. BL, I said on a different thread that I think your wife will go to Heaven when she dies but, if you keep lying I’m in doubt about your salvation. I never said, Roy Moore was going to win because he was still +3 in RCP. Check the older thread I have said more than once “I don’t know if Roy Moore will win or lose.” but, go ahead and keep lying to help your narrative.

  205. lisab says:

    I never said, Roy Moore was going to win because he was still +3 in RCP.
    —————————————-

    both sides are correct

    in one post MichiganGuy said Moore would win — not because of the +3 in RCP

    AND

    later he said he did not know if Moore would win or not

  206. MichiganGuy says:

    lisab, you are wrong. BL claimed I said Moore would win because he was still up +3 in RCP. I never said he would win because of RCP.

  207. lisab says:

    MichiganGuy,

    i did say, “not because of the +3 in RCP”

    so i believe i was accurate

  208. lisab says:

    to answer the tweet by dave w.

    if your son was accused of sexual assault — never mind that it allegedly happened forty years ago, and that it very well may be politically motivated

    if a young woman accused your son of sexual assault today — would you not want some evidence?

    did we learn nothing from the duke lacrosse team?

  209. lisab says:

    now if hillary was about to go to prison and robbie/cg said, “yup, you got her fair and square”

    then i would be sure that hillary was caught red handed, because there is no way robbie/cg would support hillary going to prison evah …

    but when moore’s political opponents say he is guilty without a trial … i want to see some evidence

    call me skeptical

  210. MichiganGuy says:

    lisab, you said “both sides are correct”. You were wrong but, being the gentlemen that I am I will forgive you.

  211. Wes says:

    Michigan Guy/Elmer Gantry did say no one in Alabama other than maybe Jeff Sessions can beat Roy Moore and called me a liar for pointing out he said Moore is invincible.

    He’s either an idiot or a liar–or both. I tend to say both.

  212. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – You are the one who pointed out that Moore was still in good shape because he was still up in RCP. I thought that a Republican in Alabama who was only up 3 in RCP is in danger.

    As for me going to Heaven, if I have to endure eternity with people like you who think that quoting scripture actually proves they are right, I will take my chances elsewhere.

  213. Wes says:

    This sounds like a bunch of liberals, but if a segment of evangelicals is becoming vocal against Moore, then say bye bye, Roy:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roy-moore-evangelicals-reject-tabernacle-baptist-church/

    He’s too selfish to do the right thing and step aside though.

    At this point, Moore is near certain to have committed the second deadly sin–lust–and is definitely guilty of the fourth and seventh–pride and vanity.

    He’s always been a pompous, arrogant theocrat, but that only reduced his vote share as a Republican in Alabama. Now it looks as if his solipsism plus a likely salacious sexual background will torpedo his political career altogether.

    In the words of the legdndary H. G. Wells after the Hiroshima bombing: “Damn you! I warned you!”

  214. Wes says:

    I’m glad I don’t believe in Heaven or Hell. Who would want to spend eternity with a bunch of pompous, condescending, solipsistic theocrats like Michigan Guy/Elmer Gantry or with the equally pompous, condescending, and solipsistic Bill Maher?