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Jones Leads Moore By 5% in AL

We received another new poll yesterday for the US Senate race in Alabama showing Doug Jones now leading Roy Moore. This time it came from Gravis Marketing.

US SENATE – ALABAMA (Gravis)
Doug Jones (D) 47%
Roy Moore (R) 42%

This poll was done November 14-15 among likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 8:08 am
Filed under: General | Comments (650)

650 Responses to “Jones Leads Moore By 5% in AL”

  1. Tina says:

    GS is predicting a blow out economy in 2018. Best evah.

  2. JC says:

    I’m getting the same vibe I got from all of the fake Trump accusers during the general.

    The left once again played their smear too early.

  3. Wes says:

    Alabamans are disagreeing with you on this, JC. Moore keeps falling behind for a reason.

  4. Wes says:

    Jones noe leads the RCP average. That’s unlikely to improve for Moore.

  5. Bitterlaw says:

    Nothing to worry about. Republicans never lead pre-election polls in deep blue Alabama. The only poll that counts is on Election Day.

  6. mnw says:

    Tina

    I read the GS report you reference in post 1 above a LOT differently, at least by implication.

    My post is about my own prospective investment decisions, in light of the GS & other info.

    GS says that the U.S. economy is gonna be great in 3018, as you correctly point out.

    But GS most assuredly does NOT predict that stock market returns are going to be great too: 4 interest rate hikes & prospect of inflation picking up anyway.

    When I put all this together, I don’t like what I’m seeing very much. I’m still VERY skeptical about tax reform passing, & rosy scenarios are already baked into market averages.

    So, I plan to go all “extremely plain vanilla” very soon — before mid-December. I’ve lived with a lot of market risk, & happily so, but no longer.

    Now, watch me be as wrong about this as I have been about most of my political predictions.

    “Very plain vanilla” for me means Vanguard Total Market Return (symbol VTI), an ETF which pays a lackluster 1.67% annual yield. My current stuff, which I’ve owned for a couple of years, yields over 4.5%, which is VERY risky indeed, even at the best of times, & now just plain too risky for me.

    I’m not going to stay in a position where Susan Collins, Flake, Corker, Johnson & of course McCain himself, can hurt me badly while they destroy Trump’s presidency. I won’t be collateral damage.

  7. mnw says:

    2018, not 3018

  8. Tina says:

    Well mnw, i do mot know about the investment outlook.

    I do not see much inflation.

    Groceries are a lot cheaper out here than a year ago.

    Fuel prices just got anove $3 for the first time in a year. This was due to the recent gas tax increase. Money to pay for illegals.

  9. Tina says:

    Google “Tapper Dated Chubby Lewinsky”
    Google “Tapper Dated Chubby Lewinsky”
    @NolteNC
    ·
    38m
    Because there is no political price to dump Bill now. It’s a cost-free virtue signal.

    And yet Bob “underage sex slaves” Menendez and Al “the fondler” Franken remain in the Senate.

    Hillary says no resignation for franken.

  10. Tina says:

    Gope is mite on franken

  11. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    I never thought I would live long enough to see a Liberal like Maureen Dowd of the failing NYTimes say the following from her most recent article:

    “First, with Clarence Thomas, a feminist lynch mob tried to kill off a conservative Supreme Court nominee over sex when the real reason they wanted to get rid of him was politics.”

    WHOA!!!

  12. Tom says:

    Sheepie – the only reason she’s saying that now is because the feminist lynch mob is trying lynch a liberal.

  13. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt is the only one who we will around in 3018. He appreciates the long-term forecast.

  14. Wes says:

    Here’s an irony for Roy Moore’s supporters:

    Democrats didn’t even field a candidate in 2014, and Jeff Sessions was reelected by acclamation in that year’s elections.

    Now Doug Jones has assumed a lead in the polling average as Moore has cratered.

  15. Wes says:

    I warned before the runoff Roy Moore was the only person Democrats had any hope of defeating for this Senate seat.

    Unfortunately I was absolutely right.

  16. Wes says:

    I have some at best mixed news for Roy Moore:

    https://news.vice.com/story/alabamas-wealthy-suburbs-think-roy-moore-is-a-total-embarrassment-they-might-vote-for-him-anyway

    Suburbanite Republicans regard him as an embarassment, but many are still thinking about voting for him.

    That’s not exactly the best position for Moore to be in.

  17. Wes says:

    This is pretty much how Moore and his supporters are reduced to acting:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rSjK2Oqrgic

  18. Tina says:

    All of this bashing of the clintunes must stop

    Jebot.

  19. Redmen4ever says:

    Speaking of Clarence Thomas: the standard for Republicans is that a woman accuses him of saying the words “pubic hair.” Then, without even the semblance of due process, he is disqualified.

    In contrast, Bill Clinton could, after a trial in a court of law, settle with the accused on a charge of sexual harassment, and then be debarred for life for perjury, and the other side will say, “reprehensible but not impeachable.”

  20. janz says:

    Poll wise, Roy Moore’s Senate bid looks like toast. However, these are conflicted times, with people’s priorities not necessarily following standatd predictions.

    Consequently, whether Moore wins or loses the election this December, it will not register as a surprise for me.

  21. Tina says:

    Mslsd and cnn reporters, re al franmen

    This happened a long time ago,(2006)

    Mock grope.

    He is a comedian, blah, blah, blah…

  22. Wes says:

    Franken is a sexual predator and thief. He has no business in the United States Senate. McConnell needs to call for an expulsion vote and make the Dems own not giving enough ayes for the 67 needed to send Stuart Smalley back home to Minnesota.

  23. Wes says:

    For the record, I don’t believe Clarence Thomas was guilty of what Anita Hill alleged. I believe it was all an attempted hit Thomas nonetheless survived.

    That’s because there were no further accusations, and Thomas handled himself in a dignified way that didn’t lead to questions about his charscter.

    In contrast, Roy Moore has had an explosion of accusations of varying levels of credibility and has engaged in Clintonian victim blaming which is usually a hallmark of the guilty.

    That, I believe, is why Clarence Thomas survived while Roy Moore will not.

  24. BayernFan says:

    Thomas wasn’t even filibustered and was confirmed 52-48. Times always change, change back and change again it seems. And Moore looks to still be in this. Weird. Or not.

  25. janz says:

    Al Franken is a snake, but he will remain until at least the end of his term.

    Roy Moore is an aggressive jerk (if those allegations are true). IMO, the election will be close, in what would have otherwise been a decent win for Moore, had these complaints of misconduct never materialized. What I do believe, though, is that this was definitely a very successful “hit job” orchestrated by the Dems, and Moore’s credibility will be highly diminished, whatever the outcome of election is.

  26. janz says:

    Also, back in the day, after watching the Anita Hill hearings, I thought Thomas was far more believable than his accusor. My opinion of the man remaims the same, with only an upgrade dealing with his direct honesty to po!Icy decisions.

  27. jason says:

    Definitely this was an orchestrated MSM hit, regardless of whether Moore is guilty or not.

    That being said, Moore is a scumbag with no respect for the rule of law who should have been kicked out of the Republican party long ago.

    When you run a train wreck looking for a place to happen, it usually happens.

  28. jason says:

    The best scenario for the GOP right now is that Moore wins and then gets kicked out of the Senate.

    No that is not a good scenario, I said best.

  29. NYCmike says:

    “The best scenario for the GOP right now is that Moore wins and then gets kicked out of the Senate. ”

    -Agreed.

    Get him elected, so that the women can make sure he is put away for his crimes. If he loses, those poor women will probably just be relegated to living their lives knowing that Moore is out there doing the same thing to unsuspecting women/girls.

  30. Redmen4ever says:

    Explosion of accusations: Somebody who thinks it potentially significant that a person is accused of saying “public hair,” as though proving it would prove something, would be inclined to say that attempting to kiss a woman, or brushing up against a women’s breast during an introduction is disqualifying in the case of Donald Trump, and that dating legal-age teenagers is disqualifying in the case of Roy Moore.

    What is called an explosion of accusations is an extra-legal tactic to inflame the public. In a court of law, these things would be considered only if they contributed to a pattern of behavior. In the present case – child abuse and assault – I don’t see the connection. Were a judge to not be convinced of a connection he would dismiss the so-called explosion of accusations as prejudicial.

    With regard to Roy Moore, there are two allegations that deserve consideration: (1) that he molested a 14-year old child, and (2) that he assaulted a 16-year old. (Similarly, among the 13 accusations made of Trump, there were several that deserved consideration.)

    With regard to the first, the string of other accusations is dispositive. Child molesters obsess over pre-pubiscient boys and/or girls. This man, the evidence indicates and he has essentially admitted, was interested in older teenage girls. Having said that, if there is corroborating evidence of this man was a child molester, he should be removed.

    With regard to the accusation of assault, the person bringing the accusation says she was bruised. But, nobody in her family, or at her school or place of work noticed the bruising in real time.

    This accuser has produced physical evidence, a signed yearbook, that could corroborate her accusation, especially since the accused has questioned its authenticity. The Senate could subpoena the yearbook, have the FBI examine the signature, and date the ink. There is a possibility that this evidence will definitively resolve this matter.

  31. Wes says:

    Moore looks to still be in this, huh?

    He’s dropped to about 40% in recent polls while Jones is on the upswing.

    The trajectory is clear. Moore is on the downward side of his parabola.

  32. Wes says:

    Unfortunately this isn’t an Edwin Edwards “Vote for the crook. It’s important” situation. Doug Jones is about as far left as one can be while Moore, while loony, at least represents the right side of the state’s politics.

    Nonetheless, Moore is facing accusation after accusation after accusation while Jones is essentially unscathed.

    Getting Moore elected to the Senate increasingly looks like a bit of impossible munnchausering.

  33. Wes says:

    It’s like when Republicans were calling for Ted Stevens to win reelection in 2008.

    Only Stevens was ultimately proved not guilty after being the victim of a political witchhunt.

  34. Wes says:

    I have to admit Roy Moore is the best Senate candidate Alabama Democrats have had since 1992.

  35. mnw says:

    I think Stevens was a victim of prosecutorial misconduct. I do not think he was not guilty.

  36. mnw says:

    I know I’m sort of repeating myself, but I see tax reform looking more & more like a train wreck.

    Per a linked story at Drudge, it looks like McConnell & Ryan are trying to win over Sen. Johnson by accommodating his special concerns & changing the bill.

    Oh like THAT’S not pouring blood in a shark tank!

  37. Diogenes says:

    Doug Jones is not the right democratic candidate for Alabama. If he were pro-life and pro-gun but economically liberal, he would be the perfect fit for the state to win by a little over 50% but only against Roy Moore.

    But he’s relatively liberal on social issues and even on guns his stances are a little too left for such a republican state.

    The Dems need low turnout for Jones to win due to the heavy GOP lean of the state. I don’t think that happens if the race keeps becoming nationalized. I’d put the odds still around 50/50.

    **********************************

    It’s funny to hear MNW talk about investing. It’s funny how he was perfectly happy to take on risky investments for 8 years under Obama but he won’t under Trump. Cognitive dissonance if you ever saw it.

    As someone who won’t be dead in 10 years and has 50+ years of investing to do, the “tax reform” is a piece of sh*t and another example of republicans stealing from future generations.

    Companies are sitting on huge piles of cash already and the world is flush with liquidity from like China. With such low interest rates, nobody is finding many profitable opportunities to invest or hire.

    Anbd we’re going to add 1.5 Trillion of extra Debt to pay off Corporations? It’s the dumbest f*cking thing I’ve ever heard. It doesn’t even make sense from a supply-side standpoint. Reagan would be rolling over in his grave.

    The Republicans should give everyone a flat tax cut and be done with it but they won’t because they are too dependent on their donors.

    Not only that, Trump props up unsustainable businesses (coal and mid-sized oil companies) and disrupts profitable long term businesses (renewables).

    This guy is a buffoon who couldn’t even turn a profit on a casino. Bring on president Pence.

  38. mnw says:

    Dio

    I’ve been fully invested every day of PDT’s first year (thank God!), & I still am. Nor was I always fully invested during Zero’s 8 years, either.

  39. mnw says:

    “Nobody is finding profitable opportunities to… hire”? Really?

  40. mnw says:

    From the GS research note whichTina cites in Post #1:

    “The unemployment rate which was 4.1% in October is expected to drop to 3.5%… that would be the lowest unemployment rate since the late 1960s.”

  41. lisab says:

    time magazine’s man of the year in a three way tie

    the three top nominees so far are

    taylor swift
    #me too
    carmen cruz

  42. Robbie says:

    So I’m sure all of the Trump supporters are in favor of Trump’s asinine tweet about Lavar Ball, right?

  43. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 19, 2017 at 12:37 pm
    The best scenario for the GOP right now is that Moore wins and then gets kicked out of the Senate.
    No that is not a good scenario, I said best.

    – The best scenario is for Trump and Kay Ivey to show leadership and delay the election.

    I’m not sure Trump has any idea how much his agenda (such as it is) will be negatively affected by a loss of this Senate seat.

    But Steve Bannon has told Trump the base wants him to stick with Moore so that’s what Trump will do. And why wouldn’t Trump want to listen to a moron like Bannon?

  44. lisab says:

    don’t shoplift in china — they don’t play games

    i once got pulled off a train by chinese border guards

    after a couple of the other passengers annoyed them enough — while i remained polite — they let me go

    (a frenchman kept saying, “they want a bribe give them money”, and a lady from texas kept saying, “these stupid chinese have no clue what they are doing … “. i just kept quite an was polite, so they let me go)

  45. Cash Cow TM says:

    Update on Dickens famously penned line in Oliver Twist:

    “Please sir.
    Can I have NO Moore?”

  46. lisab says:

    fetch the beadle!

  47. Cash Cow TM says:

    NORK-y nut theatens U.S.’s tiny Guam
    gonna sink the island with a big ol’bomb

    Roy Moore’s butt is in a giant sling
    will hell freeze over before he “does the right thing”?

    UCLA hoopsters doing early Christmas gifting?
    Nah, they’re just doing a bit of China shoplifting

    Every institution hit with sex charges aplenty
    accusers lining up by the 10s–by the 20s

    Antifa and snowflakes all roar and thunder
    Nutcse mass shootings, our society torn asunder

    Too many people have their undies in a wad
    Too many people have turned their back on God

    In a big handbasket everything is going to hell
    but Wall Street says “all’s great, we’re doing SWELL!”

  48. Cash Cow TM says:

    We’ve been overrun
    by the values of “Big City”

    We COULD be great again
    but we won’t–such a pity.

  49. Cash Cow TM says:

    🙂

  50. Cash Cow TM says:

    If I ever get a ‘FIRST” on a thread,
    my thread rule will be everyone has to post poetically.

    (and none of that free verse, non rhyming crap….)

  51. Wes says:

    65% of the American people feel Donald Trump has no accomplishments as President. That’s a not insignificant factor in his low approval rating.

    Congress plays a role, but Trump is also playing a part here by showing no leadership.

    Case in point:

    I recommended Trump dispatch Mike Pence to Capitol Hill to negotiate with Congress to get his agenda passed in a way acceptable to both him and the members of Congress.

    The Trumpkins were absolutely mortified I recommend Trump show leadership rather than engage in asinine Twitter wars and made every excuse possible for why he shouldn’t take action to get some accomplishments under his belt.

    Another case in point:

    In Alabama, Roy Moore is doing a lengthy Titanic impersonation that’s increasingly likely to result in Doug Jones’ election to the Senate.

    Rather than showing leadership in getting Kay Ivey to reschedule the election so Moore can quit embarassing himself and the party, Trump is doing nothing while a critical Senate seat is slipping away.

    The Trumpkins think Americans will punish the congressional GOP but leave Trump himself unscathed. The only problem with this logic is that Trump is unpopular for the same reason Congress is: no tangible accomplishments.

    That won’t improve with a recalcitrant Dem Congress, but the Trumpkins live on Bizarro World and think it will.

    When Obama 2.0 takes office on 1-20-2021, the Trumpkins will naturally blame everyone but themselves regardless of the obvious fact of their culpability in the current political trainwreck.

  52. Tina says:

    Lisab, remeber the boy that littered his gum in singapore in the early 1990s under Groper 41? He was lashed. 41 could not get him out of it.

    Bottom line, know the laws of thenforeign country.

    As far as lameballs dad, it was not a simple theft. It was a spree. He sto,e from multiple stores and should be suspsended from playing.

  53. Diamond Jim says:

    There once was a cow named Cash
    Who was smoking a small joint of hash.
    She decided to try
    A smoke in the stye
    And disappeared in a blinding flash.

  54. Diamond Jim says:

    make that sty

  55. lisab says:

    Bottom line, know the laws of thenforeign country.
    ———————

    never misbehave in a foreign country

    imagine you were accused of sexual impropriety in the middle east

    why they might not even require evidence

  56. jason says:

    Cutler throws three interceptions in the first half, then leaves the game with a “concussion”.

  57. jason says:

    Bannon has long left the WH because he couldn’t get his way, has been very critical of Trump, but according to Wobbie is still telling Trump what to do about Alabama.

    Personally, I think Trump is doing what I told him to do.

    Let the people of Alabama decide.

    If they want to go along with the MSM hit job and elect a liberal Democrat so be it. If they want to elect the scumbag that has no respect for the rule of law, so be it.

  58. jason says:

    Again, there are no good outcomes here.

    I am not sure what a “delay” in the election is going to accomplish.

    Moore doesn’t seem to be going anywhere.

  59. lisab says:

    Cutler throws three interceptions in the first half, then leaves the game with a “concussion”.
    ————————————–

    isn’t that the caption on his playing card?

  60. lisab says:

    62 yard field goal by the patriots

  61. jason says:

    The MSM has already won.

    Because deadender idiots nominated this trainwreck, they have a great excuse to keep Harvey Weinstein and all the other Hollywood Democratic donors off the spotlight.

    The GOP had a perfectly good conservative senator, supported by the President, already in office, named Luther Strange. He would have beaten Doug Jones by 30 points.

    But the NYCs and the all or nothing crowd weren’t satisfied. They wanted to play Russian roulette with Trump’s agenda and effective control of the Senate by supporting morons like Roy Moore and Mo Brooks.

    Maybe the deadenders will now learn the lesson they have failed so many times to learn. COD, Akin, Buck, Angle, Mourdock, Miller weren’t enough, so I am not optimistic.

  62. jason says:

    Yep, Mexico City is great for FGs, 7400 ft.

    Denver just kicked a 61 yd FG, but the Bengals called time out so it didn’t count.

  63. jason says:

    So I’m sure all of the Trump supporters are in favor of Trump’s asinine tweet about Lavar Ball, right?”

    I am not a “Trump supporter” but yeah, he should have left them in jail.

  64. jason says:

    Rather than showing leadership in getting Kay Ivey to reschedule the election so Moore can quit embarassing himself and the party, Trump is doing nothing while a critical Senate seat is slipping away.”

    Sorry wes, I don’t agree.

    Trump endorsed Strange, campaigned for him.

    Delaying the election is going to accomplish what exactly? Just give the MSM more time to bash Repuboicans?

    I admit the idea of postponing the election appealed to me, but it was contingent on getting rid of Moore. If he is still going to be the candidate, I don’t see the point.

  65. lisab says:

    brady just completed a 64 yard touchdown and run

    maybe someday he might be as good as cutler?

  66. Cash Cow TM says:

    Man oh man alive
    Diamond Jim nailed it in post 55

    [giving you 4 hoofs up]

    (for the poetry…not the content…Cow no smoke joints..that’s reedickolous…)

  67. Cash Cow TM says:

    I hear the Washington Redskins botched another one…Dave W is smiling about that…

  68. Wes says:

    Delaying the election gives the GOP a chance to remove Moore from the ballot, Jason. If the ALGOP kicks him off the ballot with 76 or more days to go, they can put another candidate in his place. Riley, Brooks, or even Strange would be a good replacement Jones couldn’t beat.

    Moore is bleeding support everywhere. Suburbsn Republicans are cool to him. Some evangelical Christians are even becoming vocally opposed to him. (Imagine that, Christians not taking kindly to serial sexual impropriety.)

    Barring a major gamechanger, at this point, Moore is rapidly burning toast. If he won’t be a Bob Torricelli willingly, then the ALGOP needs to make him an unwilling one.

  69. jason says:

    Delaying the election gives the GOP a chance to remove Moore from the ballot, Jason”

    I don’t see how they can kick him off, and he is not going willingly.

    So there is no reason to delay the election.

  70. jason says:

    They should have kicked him out of the party so he couldn’t run, but too late now.

  71. Robbie says:

    I see President Moron is doing his best to ensure the tax bill doesn’t pass.

    Donald J. Trump?
    @realDonaldTrump

    Sen. Jeff Flake(y), who is unelectable in the Great State of Arizona (quit race, anemic polls) was caught (purposely) on “mike” saying bad things about your favorite President. He’ll be a NO on tax cuts because his political career anyway is “toast.”

  72. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 19, 2017 at 6:22 pm
    Delaying the election gives the GOP a chance to remove Moore from the ballot, Jason”
    I don’t see how they can kick him off, and he is not going willingly.
    So there is no reason to delay the election.

    – If the governor delayed the election outside the 76 day limitation for his name to appear on the ballot, the party could then throw him off the ballot and find a new candidate.

  73. Wes says:

    According to this, if Ivey were to delay the election, the ALGOP could remove Moore as the nominee and replace him with someone sane:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/what-exactly-is-going-on-in-alabama/545867/

  74. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 19, 2017 at 5:21 pm
    Bannon has long left the WH because he couldn’t get his way, has been very critical of Trump, but according to Wobbie is still telling Trump what to do about Alabama.

    – Do you follow any reporting or news? Multiple outlets report Trump speaks with Bannon several times a week in order to get political advice.

  75. Robbie says:

    A law professor from the University of Alabama told Politico on Friday the governor’s discretion was so wide she could simply cancel the special election.

    She and Trump are choosing not to upset the Moore base because Bannon has convinced Trump it will hurt him and Ivey wants the Moore base for her primary this Spring.

    No leadership at all.

  76. Tina says:

    Flakey lobbyist, ties to itan.

    May make sense.

  77. Wes says:

    Honestly I’d take political advice from my cousin’s pet chihuhua before I took it from Steve Bannon. It’d be guaranteed to be better.

  78. Tina says:

    Btw, it is beimg reported thst muh russiean, mueller is doing his final witnes interviews this week.

    Ding dong muh russian is ending,

  79. Wes says:

    How big is Moore’s actual base? He won 33% in the primary and barely scraped by in 2012 as Romney was romping to victory in the state.

    The Mooreons–I’m trademarking that term–look like a fringe group who got lucky by having an incumbent tainted by a shady appointment to me.

  80. Bitterlaw says:

    Brady is the only NFL QB to throw touchdown passes in 3 countries – US, England and Mexico. Maybe some CFL vets with 2 countries managed to find a third country.

  81. jason says:

    “Do you follow any reporting or news?”

    Sorry, I don’t exclusively read left wing fake news like you do.

    Each to his own.

  82. Tina says:

    I lov msld and cnn reports, especially.

    Jebot

  83. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 19, 2017 at 6:55 pm
    “Do you follow any reporting or news?”
    Sorry, I don’t exclusively read left wing fake news like you do.
    Each to his own.

    – That’s the best you’ve got? You sound like one of good ole Roy’s supporters. But muh liberal media!

  84. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 19, 2017 at 6:56 pm
    I lov msld and cnn reports, especially.
    Jebot

    – I only get my news from people who fall for Russian Twitter bot accounts.

    Tinfoil Tina

  85. Phil says:

    If the Alabama GOP had any brains Ivey would delay the election and they’d strip this idiot off the ballot….but they don’t.

    Well, there goes a Senate vote on the next Supreme Court vacancy.

    Also, someone tell me what good Trump is doing tweeting about Flake. I can’t stand the guy but what good does it do to for Trump to keep kicking him in the head? It’s almost like Trump wants to alienate every tax cut vote he can just for the hell of it.

  86. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 19, 2017 at 7:10 pm
    If the Alabama GOP had any brains Ivey would delay the election and they’d strip this idiot off the ballot….but they don’t.
    Well, there goes a Senate vote on the next Supreme Court vacancy.
    Also, someone tell me what good Trump is doing tweeting about Flake. I can’t stand the guy but what good does it do to for Trump to keep kicking him in the head? It’s almost like Trump wants to alienate every tax cut vote he can just for the hell of it.

    – Trump is governed by grievance. He feels obligated to litigate every slight (real or perceived) made against him. He still thinks he’s Trump the real estate developer sitting in his NYC penthouse trying to ensure he makes the front pages of the tabloids. What he fails to realize is he often takes issues no one notices and then elevates them so everyone can see them Just dumb.

  87. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 19, 2017 at 6:38 pm
    Honestly I’d take political advice from my cousin’s pet chihuhua before I took it from Steve Bannon. It’d be guaranteed to be better.

    – Yet as we move into the primary season, Bannon will appear regularly on Hannity promoting his buffoonish candidates like McDaniel, Tarkanian, Ward, and the others. And because of his exposure, those candidates will see an influx of money and then attention from FoxNews.

  88. Phil says:

    Well, let’s see how Trump does with one less vote in the senate once Jones takes his seat in the senate.

    He’s not doing so hot with the numbers he has now.

  89. Tina says:

    Flakey is a no on tax cuts. Has been for awhile.

    Mccain also a no.

    Nothing new in either of these deadenders cases.

  90. jason says:

    I doubt Bannon has any influence on Trump or Ivey regarding AL.

    I think Trump wants the people of AL to decide, not the governor.

    I tend to agree, once you make your bed you have to sleep in it.

    The time to stop Moore was before he ever was allowe to be a candidate, given his record for flaunting the law.

  91. Tina says:

    Next wave of sexual harrasment charges to hit dc.

    I a, sure that mitchie is not one to pork around.

  92. Tina says:

    THe maine chicklet is a no on tax cuts too, in all likeliejood.

    SENstor planned parenthood aka the ak sea porker may be a yes though.

  93. Wes says:

    You mean flouting the law.

    Also, how could the ALGOP kick Moore out of the party? All one has to do in AL is self-identify as a member of a particular party, there being no party registration outside LA in the Deep South.

  94. lisab says:

    Also, how could the ALGOP kick Moore out of the party?
    ———————–

    moore to the point … he has not been convicted of any crime, or even charged

    on what grounds could they kick him out?

  95. jason says:

    on what grounds could they kick him out?”

    Hello.

    He swore an oath to obey the Constitution.

    He violated that oath not once but twice and refused to obey the law, made even worse because he was a state supreme court chief justice.

    That should be enought to kick him out of the party or refus to let him run.

  96. jason says:

    You mean flouting the law.”

    Yes, while flaunting the Bible.

  97. jason says:

    The chickens have come home to roost.

    A lot of deadenders now whining about Flake had no trouble with throwing away a lot of senate seats on losers like Buck, Akin, Mourdock, COD, Angle…and now Moore.

  98. Bitterlaw says:

    Ugly special teams so far for the Eagles. At least the defense did not suck.

    Sorry, boycotters. I will comment occasionally on the game.

  99. jason says:

    rump is governed by grievance. He feels obligated to litigate every slight (real or perceived) made against him”

    He doesn’t have much of a choice, because if you read the MSM its just a never ending litany of fake news against him. Relentless, shameful, and completely partisan.

    And 99% of the “slights” are not perceived, they are real.

  100. jason says:

    I don’t boycott “free” games.

    Fortunately I didn’t pay to see Denver lose to the Bengals, so there is a silver lining.

    But the boycott is real, I saw a pickup today with a big banner that said “I don’t kneel, boycott the NFL.”

  101. jason says:

    Bitter, are you worried Scooter will sue us for the 14 hour parking shifts?

  102. jason says:

    Kim might sue MD for making her mix martinis for 34 hour shifts.

  103. jason says:

    Huh, 24…

  104. jason says:

    That’s a TD.

  105. jason says:

    However Dallas will win.

  106. jason says:

    Wow that was pass interference, Cowboys were robbed.

  107. jason says:

    I have to start building excuses in case Dallas doesn’t win.

  108. Diogenes says:

    They can only kick Moore off the ballot if the Alabama GOP agrees. Enough of them believe in Fake News for that to not happen. The governor is also facing a primary next year. No way she pisses off Moore’s supporters.

    State and special election polling is always horrible. Turnout is so low that small spikes in the electorate affect the result bigly. Moore isn’t really as down as people think but having to elect someone that will immediately get expulsed from the Senate is not something the GOP wants going into 2018 given their already huge problems with the suburban vote.

  109. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – You are being a real a-hole, A-hole.

  110. Bitterlaw says:

    Horrible series off the pick.

  111. jason says:

    Thanks Bitter, you know how to butter up an A-hole.

  112. jason says:

    Dallas won’t win if they keep throwing interceptions.

    – Jason Gruden

  113. jason says:

    Hey Torrey, you get paid to catch those.

  114. lisab says:

    That should be enought to kick him out of the party or refus to let him run.
    ——————————

    potentially, if you can get 66% of republican leaders in alabama to kick him out

  115. Bitterlaw says:

    Did the Eagles’ offense forget to come back from the Bye week.

  116. lisab says:

    I don’t boycott “free” games.
    ———————————

    all games are free on the internet

  117. Cash Cow TM says:

    The Alabama primary Rs
    chose a guy who is a little squirrel-y
    Seems as a 30-ish guy
    he liked to chase the girlies.

    funky cold medina…

  118. jason says:

    Is MD commenting on the KC Star news site?

    “There was one glaring omission from this column’s notable list of those responsible for today’s fiasco in the Meadowlands: The head coach! We Philly fans have seen it all before – the inept play-clalling, the boneheaded personnel decisions, the comically woeful time (mis)management. For more than a decade we watched Andy Reid feast on the league’s also-rans but invariably come up short in the big games, against the best coaches.

    We fumed and scratched our heads in disbelief as the national sports pundits anointed him one of the all-time elite head coaches – even though he went 66 and 61 in his last eight years. And they still worship at the Reid altar – despite the fact that he has won a single (one) playoff game in the last nine years.”

  119. Tina says:

    Conversation
    Mike Levine
    Mike Levine
    @MLevineReports
    SCOOP: Special Counsel Robert Mueller sends wide-ranging request for documents to Justice Department (and to former Justice Department officials):

    Boom.

  120. mnw says:

    Tina

    Yeah… if it had been about Biden or some other beloved liberal bigshot, it would have been zh**t canned in the first 5 minutes.

    “Fake but accurate,” though, if it’s someone they hate. Different standard of proof apply, doncha know?

  121. Tina says:

    Mueller is finishing with wh staff this week,

    No secret thiugh, u1, russian dossier, clintune campaign targets.

  122. mnw says:

    If McCain or Flake or Corker had a little red button marked “end of the world,” they’d hit the button in a NY minute… because they CAN!

    Tax reform is dead, imo, & watch out below when investors realize that.

  123. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Mueller is finishing with wh staff…”

    Maybe Mueller should ask Roy Moore if he can see his staff…

    Oh never mind.
    Roy wants to show his staff to teenage girls.

    ZING!

  124. mnw says:

    CNBC: “concern remains about whether tax reform can be achieved before year’s end.”

    Concern ALSO remained about whether the arrival of the Titanic in New York might be delayed.

  125. jason says:

    “all games are free on the internet”

    If that was true the NFL wouldn’t be selling games online.

  126. jason says:

    potentially, if you can get 66% of republican leaders in alabama to kick him out”

    I didn’t say I thought it was easy, the fact is a lot of the GOP in AL supported Moore’s unconstitutional stances.

    I just said it should have been done to avoid the train wreck.

  127. jason says:

    I meant Dallas was going to win the half.

  128. Bitterlaw says:

    I think Ezekiel Elliot put on Morris’ jersey and snuck onto the field.

  129. Bitterlaw says:

    Charles Manson is dead. Zzzzzzzzzz. I hope it hurt.

  130. Tina says:

    I believe everything in the dossier.

    Jebots.

  131. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina never sleeps. Maybe her eye problem is that she never closes them.

  132. messy says:

    2 since they don’t exist, I suggest you try again.

  133. dblaikie says:

    Robbie is going to have a bad day. From the LA Times no less. “Strong Economy boosts Trump’s numbers among otherwise skeptical public.” I don’t trust any poll from the Times, but Robbie does. Robbie, my poor fellow, here is the link:
    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-economy-20171119-story.html

    Now remember temper, temper.

  134. dblaikie says:

    The funny thing about the articles which is linked to Drudge, I can’t find actual numbers. Must be bad for Trump haters.

  135. Wobbles says:

    Trash it. Doesn’t fit the narrative.

    Focus, man

  136. Wobbles says:

    I know you think I believe in all the MSM garbage and fake news 100% of the time.

    You are wrong.

    If by some remote chance or error the MSM says something favorable to Trump, I won’t believe it.

    I am an independent thinker.

  137. Redmen4ever says:

    Correct. No numbers in LA Times article. Yes. We can suspect this is because the numbers aren’t good for the readers.

    Also, the narrative is that Trump hasn’t actually changed anything. Some commentators are calling this a continuation of the Obama economy. Trump, like Obama after 2010, is dealing with a hostile or simply ineffective chamber of Congress. So, to a large extent, each is governing via executive actions relative to a body of statutory laws almost all of which was put into place prior to their Presidency.

    PS I’ve been noticing Trump’s number in job approval for handling the economy in the main stream polls. Those numbers are now above water.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval_economy-6182.html

  138. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Here is accusation #2 against Al Franken. This time he was already in the Senate.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.html

  139. Phil says:

    It’s ok. He was a comedian at one time, and he didn’t rape her.

    Nothing to see here. Move along.

  140. Tina says:

    Media justification

    Franken was a comedian

    This is mock groping.

    It happened a lomg time ago.

  141. Todd McCain says:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.html

    Where are the DEM calls for this POS to resign?

    Still waiting.

  142. DW says:

    CNN report on this 2nd Franken accuser says what is important here is whether or not this is just a couple of isolated incidents or a pattern of behavior.

    So CNN is basically saying all men get two ‘free’ shots at it, and that is OK…just don’t do the third or else that will be a pattern of behavior, and that’s not OK.

  143. Paul says:

    As soon as the GOP calls for the president to resign.

  144. NYCmike says:

    If the GOP “leadership” had ANY sense, they would be going after Franken hard on this issue…..at the least, make Doug Jones have to start answering questions about how he would help get rid of such predators like Franken if and when he is elected by Alabama residents.*

    *Please notice that I have adopted the “CG”-Robbie-Wes method of assumption-of-guilt for all the accused. I do ask that any of those 3 let me know if there are any levels of guilt, such as do verbal accusations match verbal/multiple photographic proof accusations, or is one better than the other.

  145. NYCmike says:

    “As soon as the GOP calls for the president to resign.”

    -Good development.

    The equivocations begin, so Roy Moore has a chance, which means those women may end up getting their day in court…..WIN-WIN.

  146. NYCmike says:

    The recriminations against the Clintons continue, as the Democrats attempt to throw off the yoke of their scandals.

    AGAIN, IF the Republican leadership had ANY SENSE, they would bring up the Kennedy family over and over and over…….of course, the ones acting as sanctimonious as “CG” better have all of their skeletons well-hidden.

  147. Paul says:

    I certainly want Roy Moore to stay in the race.

  148. NYCmike says:

    “I certainly want Roy Moore to stay in the race.”

    -If the Gov doesn’t take action, you got your wish.

    3 weeks left to see what happens.

  149. Tina says:

    Aka

    Whataboutism.

  150. Tina says:

    We need to hear from mcamnesty flakey, goober, the maine chicklet, and mitchie.

    Come on gope, does he need to go?

  151. Tina says:

    Reporter glenn thrush now accused.

  152. NYCmike says:

    Odd that they are so silent……..maybe not enough proof?

    Maybe, like Wes, they just need MORE THAN A CERTAIN NUMBER of accusations….pictures are NOT WORTH a thousand words anymore.

  153. Redmen4ever says:

    “one or two” isolated incidents of sexual misconduct is o.k. with Al Franken

    How many days until this gets morphed into “a series of lone wolf incidents”

  154. NYCmike says:

    Good question, Redmen4ever.*

    *By the way, are you a St John’s fan?

  155. NYCmike says:

    http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2017/11/north-korea-is-in-no-shape-to-fight-war.html

    -Interesting thoughts….also, “shocked” by how the media treated Trump’s speech.

  156. DW says:

    “Reporter glenn thrush now accused.”

    Thrush accused Franken? All this is getting hard to follow.

  157. Tina says:

    THe jebots will have to go into crisis mode.

    Franken

    Glenn thrush

    Bj.

  158. Tina says:

    Dw,

    Bimbo eruptions against clinton and glenn thrush.

  159. Paul says:

    Clinton should resign.

  160. NYCmike says:

    Where is Doug Jones in all this?

    Why has he not called for Franken to be thrown out?

    Does the GOP “leadership” want to win the seat?

    Or do they want to SEND A MESSAGE?

  161. NYCmike says:

    Good one, Paul!

  162. NYCmike says:

    https://nypost.com/2017/11/17/metoo-has-lumped-trivial-in-with-legitimate-sexual-assault/

    -When presumption of innocence is thrown out the window by the All-Sanctimony Crowd like “CG” and Robbie, that is what happens.

  163. Todd McCain says:

    Doug Jones just wants to stay silent and run out the clock; smart on his part.

    I happen to believe Roy Whore pulls this out in the end. The 24/7 media cycle is too fast and with 3 weeks left it’s too much time.

  164. NYCmike says:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-lopez-silicon-equity-20171118-story.html

    -Interesting reading this…..it reminds me of when some on this board blamed the Colorado TABOR for the demise of Republicans in Colorado.

    Would/Could Prop 13 have had the same affect on Republicans in California?

  165. NYCmike says:

    “Doug Jones just wants to stay silent and run out the clock; smart on his part. ”

    -Agreed, which is why GOP “leadership” should be asking for statements from him on a daily basis….unless they are trying to SEND A MESSAGE.

  166. Tina says:

    Clinton accusers have to do with the phuq islamd amd the pedo.

  167. mnw says:

    Glimpse into the obvious:

    We haven’t even seen the TIP of this sex harassment mountain yet. This is going to cut huge gaps in the ranks of officeholders from both parties before it burns itself out— kind of like a plague epidemic.

    10% of Congress gone? (including preemptive retirements)

    20%?

    I’m awfully glad now that I just never had that much energy.

  168. DW says:

    Al Gore needed as spokesman to stoke concerns about man-caused Global SLOWing

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/18/2018-set-to-be-year-of-big-earthquakes

  169. mnw says:

    DW

    Patrick did win a Formula 1 race in Japan once, did you know?

  170. DW says:

    175 – yes. But yesterday she retired winlessly from NASCAR.

  171. DW says:

    173 – good point about retirements. Be suspicious of any unexpected retirements where we might have expected more terms won in easy districts.

  172. DW says:

    Women everywhere should be shocked by that CNN commentator who said in essence that men everywhere get TWO free unwanted sexual advances and only becomes a criminal when it goes to three or more.

    The idea being Franken has had his two.

  173. mnw says:

    I think the plague epidemic analogy is really apt. Everybody knows the plague is just starting to spread, but nobody knows the morbidity rate yet, or who will perish.

    But everybody knows it’s just getting underway.

  174. Waingro says:

    Stuart Smalley is finished.

  175. DW says:

    If only Ted Kennedy were still alive so he could get caught up in the plague too.

  176. mnw says:

    When Trump mentioned Juanita Broaddrick’s tape claim in 2016, Andrea Mitchell observed matter-of-factly that Broaddrick’s claim had been “discredited.”

    Behold a respected journalist at work. Thst’s not only fake news, it’s news invented from nothing— the leftist ends always justify the leftist means.

  177. mnw says:

    rape claim

  178. DW says:

    No one knows how many women out there were inappropriately touched by famous people and have kept silent out of fear. But now they have watched these other women come forward and have seen how these women were helped and not put down.

    Right now these others are weighing coming forward, considering the benefits of going public to put it to rest. To get help if needed.

    On the other side are many nervous men who know they are guilty and are hoping for silence.

  179. NYCmike says:

    “Stuart Smalley is finished.”

    -Any Trump-ists in Minnesota that can duplicate his close run there?

    Or is that dependent on a Hillary-like opponent?

  180. Phil says:

    Franken is not finished. At least not yet barring other women coming forward. Two free passes and MSM will smother the first two with a pillow.

  181. DW says:

    If a third Franken accuser comes out then CNN just raises the bar giving all men three free offenses before its a problem.

  182. Phil says:

    …and then four, five…..whatever it takes.

  183. Bitterlaw says:

    My wife is seeing Bruce Springsteen on Broadway on Wednesday. I told her that if Bruce wants to take her out after the show that she should go. However, we are checking out of our hotel at 11:00 so she has to be back by then.

  184. Bitterlaw says:

    Kate Upton was on my list but she just got married so I guess I need a replacement.

  185. Waingro says:

    Wisconsin @SenRonJohnson tells me he’s getting closer to a “Yes” vote on the Republican tax bill.

  186. NYCmike says:

    How old would Kate Upton be if you were 35?

    EWWWWW!!

  187. NYCmike says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk7RVw3I8eg

    -Interesting version of this song.

  188. NYCmike says:

    “Wisconsin @SenRonJohnson tells me he’s getting closer to a “Yes” vote on the Republican tax bill.”

    -This change will probably give someone else a reason to vote “NAY”.

  189. Waingro says:

    #195, probably Collins.

  190. Todd McCain says:

    We can lose Collins.

    Murk is likely a YES since Anwr is part of the tax bill and McCain is on record as leaning Yes.

  191. mnw says:

    So… we can always count on McPain, Flake & Corker, then?

    /s

  192. Bitterlaw says:

    I found a woman for Canadian Cory. Robbie and Corey may also want to call her.

    https://nypost.com/2017/11/20/woman-busted-with-anti-trump-sticker-now-targeting-sheriff/

  193. Todd McCain says:

    Doug Jones 46
    Roy Moore 43

    New Change Research.

    Moore is gonna win.

  194. Bitterlaw says:

    CC

  195. mnw says:

    “McPain is on record as leaning yes.”

    OK, for starters that’s the first I ever heard of it. He recently said the opposite.

    Ad I’ve said, if McCain had a button that said “destroy the world,” he’s wait until as many cameras as possible could get there & then press the button.

    That bitter old fool will put the knife in his colleagues’ backs when he can achieve maximum shock impact— announce his switch to no during the actual vote would be my guess.

    “Look at me! Look what I can do!”

  196. Phil says:

    203

    Yep, McCain probably already has his no vote choreographed for maximum dramatic effect. Book it.

    The guy is so predictable it’s scary.

  197. Todd McCain says:

    Ron Johnson coming around.

    Hopefully Trump can stop fighting with Flake for two seconds.

  198. NYCmike says:

    Prediction:

    McCain will vote “NAY” if the bill does NOT get any Democrat support…..the same reason he vote “NAY” on Graham/Cassidy.

    Bitterlaw will say he is a hero…….

  199. NYCmike says:

    The 2 predictions may have NOTHING to do with one another…..but that does not mean it isn’t true.

  200. NYCmike says:

    “NYCmike – Go St. John’s!”

    -I figured as much!

    To be honest, I was a fan because of Chris Mullin. I have not watched much college b-ball in the last 20 years. I have ZERO idea how he is doing as coach.

  201. mnw says:

    204 Todd

    I believed your post that McPain did say that. I’m sure that’s true. I just don’t believe he will. Period.

    The dynamic of the situation in total just about guarantees failure, IMO. With the margin of success at +/- 1 vote, one or another of those 7 or so egomaniacs will kill it.

    I don’t believe that the lame ducks (Flake, Corker & McCain ((lame for all practical purposes)) ) have the slightest concern about the effects of a defeat. What do THEY care? They’re leaving anyway!

    Collins? Give me a break. Not worth discussing even. Murkowski? GOP in AK already voted her out once. She owes her GOP colleagues nothing.

  202. Bitterlaw says:

    Bitterlaw will say he is a hero…….

    He would be a war hero who voted differently than I would have voted.

  203. mnw says:

    And HERE’S a darkhorse sleeper candidate for jerk-who-comes-out-of-nowhere: Langford in OK.

    Little by little, unnoticed by almost everyone, Lankford has been positioning himself as the NEXT McCain.

    Lankford recently mumbled some “no” vote argle-bargle.

  204. NYCmike says:

    Oklahoma – very liberal state – we should not primary the incumbent./

  205. GPO says:

    How long will the winner of Alabama Senate Race serve

  206. Tina says:

    I think Flakey is a no. He is still trriggered by the lock her up chant.

  207. Tina says:

    It does seem that the polling is going back into moores side.

    The drat is down 9 from the poll that said 12

  208. Tina says:

    Yeah, mccain pulled the same stunt last time.

  209. mnw says:

    Tina & Todd

    The Change Polling poll referenced in post #200 above shows a 10-Point swing AGAINST Moore in just 7 days, if I read it right.

    The previous Change poll, taken a week ago, had Moore +7. The latest Change poll has Jones +3. It took me awhile to find the poll, btw. Correct me if I misunderstood it, pls.

    The Change poll commentary itself describes their latest poll as VERY bad news for Moore.

  210. mnw says:

    So it was a 7 point swing against Moore in one week. I can’t see how that can be painted as encouraging for Moore.

  211. Tina says:

    Mnw, moore was hit. But i look at the trends,

    Drat was plus 12, then 8, then 5,and now 3 in the polls released since the yearbook allegation.

    Moore was not my choice, i wanted big dude.

  212. Tina says:

    ohn Cardillo Retweeted
    Nick Short ??
    Nick Short ??
    @PoliticalShort
    This is another problem. If the FISA judge didn’t know the FBI was basing their information off of a dossier funded by the DNC/Hillary Clinton, then what are the ramifications? And did FBI lie to FISA court

    This is why I think Comedy was fired, plus his role in the clinton scandal.. i also think Comedy was caught red handed leaking classified info.

  213. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #219
    The results from this poll were released a few days ago.It was taken at the height of the hysteria against Judge Moore.
    Over the past three(3) weeks, their poll results have gone from Moore +7, Moore +3 and Moore -3.

  214. NYCmike says:

    Still not one Republican Senator calling for Franken’s seat, is there?

    McCain? Flake? Shelby?

    How about MITT?

  215. mnw says:

    Tina

    U & Lisa both seem smart at math.

    All those polls show the same trend, to me.

    GOOD news for Moore would be two polls from the SAME polling outfit, showing apples-to-apples comparison over a period of time, with Moore improving —even if Moore is behind.

    An MNW Research Associates* poll from a week ago showing Moore down by 8 but more recently down by only 4.

    But… I haven’t seen anything like that. If u read the commentary to the Change Research poll, it’s awful for Moore.

    * The MNW Research Associates guarantee: “You give us the cash WE want, & we’ll give you the numbers YOU want!”

  216. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Is smug, pseudo-intellectual, Liberal journalist Charlie Rose going down. I REALLY hope so. He has eight accusers against him vis-a-vis sexual misbehavior.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/eight-women-say-charlie-rose-sexually-harassed-them–with-nudity-groping-and-lewd-calls/2017/11/20/9b168de8-caec-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html?utm_term=.e214d1f5b742

  217. Tina says:

    Mnw, right now drat wins, but Three weeks, who knows?

    There is another house drst going diwn, if reports are accirate.

  218. Wes says:

    Moore is at 43% IN ALABAMA, yet people are declaring him the inevitable winner.

    ::facepalm::

  219. Wes says:

    Diogenes recently alluded to what I’m about to say:

    Moore wins only if the race is nationalized.

    Right now, Jones is completely out of the spotlight while Moore is playing Hannibal in Italy after Cannae and putting out a string of fires as the Romans wear his army down.

    Until/unless that changes, Jones has momentum and will win.

  220. mnw says:

    If I ever see a trendline poll showing Moore improving, I may change my view. Right now, that’s like searching for fried ice.

  221. DW says:

    According to wiki:

    Charlie Rose owns a house in Henderson, North Carolina; a 575-acre (2.33 km2) farm in Oxford, North Carolina; an apartment overlooking Central Park in New York City; a beach house in Bellport, New York; an apartment in Washington, D.C. and an apartment in Paris, France. Rose is worth approximately 23 million dollars.

    Nice that CBS finds reporters who look out for the little guy in fly-over country.

  222. DW says:

    We need an official tally of those affected by this recent eruption of accusations:

    Roy Moore
    Sylvester Stallone
    Bill Clinton
    Al Franken
    Charlie Rose

    This list should grow in the days to come.

  223. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #231
    Here is one in the political predictions’ market(PredictIt):
    https://www.predictit.org/Market/3299/Who-will-win-the-2017-US-Senate-special-election-in-Alabama

  224. lisab says:

    George Bush Snr accused of groping by eighth woman

    Her story is similar to other allegations made against Mr Bush. Another woman, Roslyn Corrigan, told the publication Time that Mr Bush touched her inappropriately in 2003, when she was 16. On Thursday, CNN reported allegations from a 55-year-old woman who said Mr Bush touched her inappropriately in April 1992.

    The interpreter told the BBC that Mr Bush was standing during the alleged incident.
    Mr Bush did not start using a wheelchair until around 2012, roughly eight years after the interpreter says the incident took place.

  225. lisab says:

    We need an official tally of those affected by this recent eruption of accusations:
    ————————————

    bush sr
    weinstein

  226. NYCmike says:

    The Democrats are either preparing for the 2020 elections to deal with Trump, or they want to muddy the waters so much so they can keep electing perverts.

  227. Phil says:

    Moore is absolutely dead. Like Akin, he’s too vain to drop out. I wonder who around him is blind enough to convince him he has any kind of shot.

    I hate losing a red seat to a Democrat, but at least this POS will be gone once and for all. Good riddence.

  228. Robbie says:

    Why is Trump sticking with a disgusting scumbag like Roy Moore? Because Kellyanne Conway and Steve Bannon advised him to do so.

    I couldn’t think of two bigger idiots from whom to take advice on anything, including which pair of white socks to buy.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-world-wanted-distance-from-roy-moore-then-key-allies-lobbied-the-president-to-reconsider

  229. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 19, 2017 at 7:25 pm
    I doubt Bannon has any influence on Trump or Ivey regarding AL.
    I think Trump wants the people of AL to decide, not the governor.
    I tend to agree, once you make your bed you have to sleep in it.
    The time to stop Moore was before he ever was allowe to be a candidate, given his record for flaunting the law.

    – Umm.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-world-wanted-distance-from-roy-moore-then-key-allies-lobbied-the-president-to-reconsider

  230. DW says:

    oh I forgot about Bush…here is the updated list:

    George H. W. Bush
    Roy Moore
    Sylvester Stallone
    Bill Clinton
    Al Franken
    Charlie Rose

  231. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 19, 2017 at 8:36 pm
    rump is governed by grievance. He feels obligated to litigate every slight (real or perceived) made against him”
    He doesn’t have much of a choice, because if you read the MSM its just a never ending litany of fake news against him. Relentless, shameful, and completely partisan.
    And 99% of the “slights” are not perceived, they are real.

    – Watching Jason become a guy who barfs up the “but muh liberal media” line has been laughable.

  232. Wes says:

    Kelly Conway took Trump’s campaign from damn near moribund to victorious, Robbie. I’d hardly call her an idiot.

    Steve Bannon is a COMPLETELY different story.

  233. Tina says:

    Is the snl senator gone?

    Has gope gone mute?

    Can somebody take control over Groper 41? Are his sons not doing anything? They, rather hang out with bj?

  234. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:50 am
    Robbie is going to have a bad day. From the LA Times no less. “Strong Economy boosts Trump’s numbers among otherwise skeptical public.” I don’t trust any poll from the Times, but Robbie does. Robbie, my poor fellow, here is the link:
    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-economy-20171119-story.html
    Now remember temper, temper.

    – What I find amazing is there is relative peace across the globe and the US economy is doing very well. Despite that, Trump’s approval is mired in the 30’s. That’s a real fete.

    Trump had to work hard every single of presidency to piss people off enough that they won’t give him any credit for anything that’s happening. yet, here we are.

  235. Wes says:

    Pride and vanity are among the seven deadly sins. Shouldn’t Moore take note of that and show his humility by exiting the race?

  236. Robbie says:

    Wobbles says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:56 am
    Trash it. Doesn’t fit the narrative.
    Focus, man

    – Trash real reporting. Deny all facts. It’s a conspiracy. The liberal media has gotten everyone to lie about Trump. His approval rating is really 55%. I saw it on GatewayPundit.

  237. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    November 20, 2017 at 2:18 pm
    Doug Jones 46
    Roy Moore 43
    New Change Research.
    Moore is gonna win.

    – Moore is at freaking 43% in Alabama. That’s a god awful number for a Republican. Stop with the nonsense and pie-in-the-sky optimism.

  238. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 20, 2017 at 5:59 pm
    Kelly Conway took Trump’s campaign from damn near moribund to victorious, Robbie. I’d hardly call her an idiot.
    Steve Bannon is a COMPLETELY different story.

    – Has anything Conway’s done in her time as an advisor to Trump as president given you any reason to believe she knows what’s she’s doing? I’m sorry, but I don’t see it.

    Conway goes on TV and gives bizarre, cringe worthy interviews that help no one, certainly not Trump. Just fighting with Chris Cuomo for the sake of fighting is ridiculous.

    And let’s not forget Conway went on TV without telling anyone to say at 5 PM Trump had full confidence in Mike Flynn only to see Flynn get fired at 9 PM that night.

  239. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 20, 2017 at 6:02 pm
    Pride and vanity are among the seven deadly sins. Shouldn’t Moore take note of that and show his humility by exiting the race?

    – Moore’s Christianity is much like that of other famous Christians who’ve had embarrassing scandals, fake.

  240. jason says:

    Wow, this thing is backfiring on Wobbie’s friends….

    Charlie Rose?

    Wobbie must be devastated.

  241. jason says:

    Conway took charge of Trump’s campaign and had the right instincts. I saw several interviews where she clearly indicated her strategy was going to be be the upper Midwest and PA and Hillary ignored it at her own peril.

    I think she is one smart cookie. The fact Trump has left her hung out to dry a few times does not change that, its his M.O.

    I view the attacks on her the same as I do the attacks on Karl Rove.

    People who attack them don’t like the fact they won.

  242. jason says:

    Moore is at freaking 43% in Alabama. That’s a god awful number for a Republican.’

    LOL

    I heard this same BS from Wobbie about a couple dozen candidates who ended up winning.

    Moore is a horrible candidate, and its not surprising given the MSM onslaught that he is behind. Personally, I don’t see how anyone could vote for him, (or the moonbat). I certainly wouldn’t.

    But I suspect most of the “undecided” are embarrassed to say they will vote for him, so I wouldn’t count him out if he is only 3 points behing.

  243. jason says:

    “The liberal media has gotten everyone to lie about Trump”

    From the mouth of idiots….

  244. Wes says:

    Karl Rove made an ass of himself in 2012 by questioning the Ohio call because he couldn’t take the fact that his money did nothing.

    His American Crossroads had a 100% fail rate that year.

    He was a disaster at policy after 2004.

    He pretended the 2006 election results had nothing to do with GWB.

    He barely scraped by in two presidenyial elections by splitting the country down the middle despite Bush’s mendacious claims of being a “uniter, not a divider”–in the process providing the direct template for Obama’s 2012 reelection strategy.

    I think people don’t think people don’t like him because he won. I think they don’t like him because he’s an incompetent pompous ass who barely got lucky twice.

  245. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 20, 2017 at 6:16 pm
    Wow, this thing is backfiring on Wobbie’s friends….
    Charlie Rose?
    Wobbie must be devastated.

    – Wow, the biggest fraud at HHR is here to defend Trump after spending every single day of the campaign ripping him. Even better, the fraud left the Republican Party because of Trump, but here he is defending him.

  246. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 20, 2017 at 6:26 pm
    “The liberal media has gotten everyone to lie about Trump”
    From the mouth of idiots….

    – Were you listening to yourself on audio?

  247. Wes says:

    A Republican is at 43% in Alabama.

    Jason scoffs at the idea that that is a horrible number for a Republican in 2017. (It actually would have been a great number for a Republican in Alabama during the 1947 special election.)

    Someone please tell me I woke up in the Twilight Zone today.

  248. jason says:

    Why is Trump sticking with a disgusting scumbag like Roy Moore? Because Kellyanne Conway and Steve Bannon advised him to do so”

    What absolute garbage.

    If that was true, why didn’t Trump endorse Moore from the outset. Why did he endorse Strange and campaign for him?

    The idea that somehow Trump is a big Moore supporter is hogwash.

    Trump is not a social conservative. He could care less about the 10 Commandments at the courthouse, and he is clearly pro gay marriage.

    Wobbie is following his usual M.O., anything bad that happens has to be Trump’s fault.

    Sorry, but Trump is not responsible for Moore. Blame the deadenders in AL for that.

  249. jason says:

    Jason scoffs at the idea that that is a horrible number for a Republican in 2017.”

    Where did I scoff about that? It IS a horrible number.

    I am scoffing at the idea the it means Moore will necessarily lose based on that poll.

    Do you disagree that most of the undecided will probably vote for Moore?

  250. Wes says:

    From 1996 to 2016, no Democrat ever led a poll for a Senate race in Alabama.

    We’ve now seen several in a span of a few weeks where the Democrat leads the Republican.

    Why is this not setting off alarm bells?

  251. Wes says:

    Let me repost your own Comment 253, Jason:

    jason says:
    November 20, 2017 at 6:25 pm
    Moore is at freaking 43% in Alabama. That’s a god awful number for a Republican.’

    LOL

    I heard this same BS from Wobbie about a couple dozen candidates who ended up winning.

    Moore is a horrible candidate, and its not surprising given the MSM onslaught that he is behind. Personally, I don’t see how anyone could vote for him, (or the moonbat). I certainly wouldn’t.

    But I suspect most of the “undecided” are embarrassed to say they will vote for him, so I wouldn’t count him out if he is only 3 points behing.

  252. Wes says:

    Did you forget what you yourself posted not 10 minutes ago?

  253. jason says:

    – Wow, the biggest fraud at HHR is here to defend Trump after spending every single day of the campaign ripping him”

    LOL

    Brilliant, but the fact is the campaign ended in November 2016.

    I know, you are still in campaign mode, but really, it is over. Jeb lost.

    So I defend Trump when I think he deserves defending.

    He endorsed another candidate. Trying to make him responsible for Moore just shows what a petty moron you hare.

  254. Wes says:

    Actually, Jason, at this point, given the way Moore is going, I highly doubt he picks up the undecideds. He’s the known quantity and barely won when Romney carried the state by double digits while every other Republican running statewide that year had exactly no electoral problems.

    If Alabamans have shifted from Moore to undecided already when he was none too popular to begin with, how likely are they to break for him now?

    I say not very.

  255. jason says:

    Did you forget what you yourself posted not 10 minutes ago?”

    So where do I say 43% is not a bad number for a R in Alabama?

    My comment was in context with Wobbie’s M.O. of always saying Rs with numbers in the low 40’s in polls are in trouble, like when he predicted McConnell was in “trouble” for a year before he won by 15.

    You misunderstood my post.

  256. Wes says:

    Moore needs a gamechanger.

    He led when this was Generic R vs. Generic D. Thrn the scandald started. Moore has not helped himself since.

    Meanwhile, Jones is a quiet nonentity not giving people a reason to vote against him.

    Given all that, how is Moore going to pick up the undecided voters–many of whom have already shifted away from him because of the scandals?

  257. jason says:

    Ok wes, we disagree on the undecided.

    I think that with all the negative publicity some people are going to be reticent about saying they will vote for and pretend to be on the fence.

    I am surprised he has 43% with what, 11% undecided?

    That does not look like a sure loser to me.

  258. Wes says:

    Let’s see…

    LOL

    I heard this same BS from Wobbie about a couple dozen candidates who ended up winning.

    No. You weren’t implying that wasn’t a bad number for Moore at all.

    Give it up, Jason. You just wanted to be contrarian to Robbie. Now you’re backtracking and splitting hairs because I noticed it.

    Next you’ll be arguing what the meaning of the word “is” is.

  259. jason says:

    I don’t think the undecided will vote for Jones, if he has 46% that is close to maxing out as a liberal Dem in Al.

    So you can bet most of the undecided are Rs who don’t like Moore.

    When I predicted Trump could win PA, I said it would depend on the vote of people like me, Rs that did not like him.

    He didn’t get my vote, but most reluctant Rs ended up voting for him.

    The same could happen to Moore.

  260. Wes says:

    He was over 50% early last week, Jason. Now he’s hovering at 42-43%.

    He’s out of it unless something drastically changes.

    Losing support is not something I think Ron Faucheux would endorse as a way to remain viable in an election.

  261. Wes says:

    Big difference, Jason:

    The PA Republicans who voted for Trump weren’t people he’d already lost. Moore has lost a lead. It’s much easier to gain votes if people were never with a candidate than if they went elsewhere after supporting the candidate. (I told the Rick Perry people this same thing when he lost his lead in late 2011. They scoffed at the idea too.)

    If Moore were on the upswing and weren’t a known quantity, then I’d agree with the undecideds breaking for him.

    Instead, the opposite is true. That in no way prefigures a Moore victory.

  262. jason says:

    wes, you completely misinterpreted my post.

    I wasn’t implying 43% wasn’t a bad number at all. In fact when you questioned my comment, I said:

    Where did I scoff about that? It IS a horrible number.” IS a horrible number is pretty clear.

    If I wanted to disagree it was a horrible number, I would have said so.

    You can accept my word for it. Or you can GFY.

  263. Wes says:

    Or I can point out what I said, which is that you wanted to be contrarian to Robbie and backtracked when I pointed it out.

  264. jason says:

    It is good analysis wes, and maybe you are right, but I still think its more likely that the undecided are R voters who either don’t want to admit they will vote for Moore or are thinking of sitting out the election.

    If they sit it out, Moore will lose. But I don’t think they will vote for Jones.

  265. jason says:

    r I can point out what I said, which is that you wanted to be contrarian to Robbie and backtracked when I pointed it out.”

    Wobbie is a moron, so I am usually contrarian to him, no surprise there. But if you read my post, I was making a larger point.

    I didn’t backtrack. I corrected what was wrong about how you interpreted what I wrote.

  266. Wes says:

    This is the Ballotpedia page for the current AL Senate special:

    https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Senate_special_election_in_Alabama,_2017

    Moore last led a poll on 11-13. Since then he’s trailed four polls in a row. All have shown him getting the high 30s or low 40s in the vote while Jones has been most consistently in the mid to upper 40s. If we assume undecideds are at 11%, Moore needs nearly two thirds of them (7%) to get to 50%. Jones needs just over a third of them (4%) to get to 50%. There are two Indies in the race complicating this.

    Moore is indeed much more likely to lose than to win, and there’s exactly no indication the undecideds are going to break for him in ghe numbers he needs.

  267. jason says:

    Instead, the opposite is true. That in no way prefigures a Moore victory.”

    Again, I am not predicting Moore will win.

    But I would caution anyone who says he will definitely lose based on a poll showing him down 3 points.

  268. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 20, 2017 at 6:37 pm
    – Wow, the biggest fraud at HHR is here to defend Trump after spending every single day of the campaign ripping him”
    LOL
    Brilliant, but the fact is the campaign ended in November 2016.

    – In other words, Trump sucked, but, since he won, now he’s just fine.

    What a fraud.

  269. Wes says:

    If I were the AL State Legislature, I’d pass a last-minute bill requiring a runoff if neither candidate hits 50%. That’s about the only way to keep Jones from becoming a Senator next month at this point.

  270. Wes says:

    That poll also shows him at 43%, Jason. That’s further away from 50% than the 46% Jones is at.

  271. jason says:

    Moore is indeed much more likely to lose than to win, and there’s exactly no indication the undecideds are going to break for him in ghe numbers he needs”

    I think he could get 2/3 of the undecided IF I am right on who they are.

    If they are not reluctant or embarrassed Rs then you are probably correct.

    But if they are, he could still get most of them.

    We will see.

  272. Wes says:

    I say Moore will definitely lose because he’s become toxic, Jason. The poll is a reflection of that rather than the reason for it.

    If he doesn’t change the narrative and the trajectory of the race fast, then he’s as cooked as a Thanksgiving turkey.

  273. jason says:

    That poll also shows him at 43%, Jason. That’s further away from 50% than the 46% Jones is at.”

    Yep, but I still think its hard for a Dem to get 50% in AL even if running against Jeffrey Dahmer.

    My point is its easier for Moore to get the 7% than it is for Jones to get 4%.

    I know you don’t agree, but that’s my opinion.

  274. Robbie says:

    The lack of leadership from Trump and Ivey has been pathetic. The actions of the state party have been worthless. Maybe worst of all though has been watching supposed “Christians” engage in all sorts of shameful defenses of good ole Roy.

    Just this evening on FoxNews, Bill Bennett, who normally throws moral thunderbolts at Democrats, just said that at least it appears Moore had cleaned up his act over the last 40 years. In other words, it’s fine he sexually assaulted someone 40 years ago as long as he hasn’t done it since.

  275. Wes says:

    You’re having to make an assumption to get to that conclusion, Jason.

    The objective evidence is that Moore went from hovering around 50% to hovering around 40%. That indicates Moore lost voters. At the same time, Jones rose as did the undecideds.

    This suggests the undecideds are not shy Republicans but people Moore lost.

    That only complicates his path to catching back up to Jones.

  276. Robbie says:

    The people of Alabama have had 30 years to judge Roy Moore. He’s at 43% in several polls. They’ve made their judgment. He was the only person who could lose this seat and the Bannon brigade picked him. Way to go, guys.

  277. jason says:

    n other words, Trump sucked, but, since he won, now he’s just fine.”

    Zzzzzz…

    Since he won, I have chosen to support him on where I think supporting him is in the interest of the country. There IS a bigger picture here than Jeb Bush’s real killer.

    I have also chosen to move on from the primaries and stop whining that my candidate didn’t get elected.

    I have also chosen not to join the dishonest and partisan MSM who is 99% anti-Trump, the same dishonest and partisan MSM that was 99% pro-Obama.

    In other words, I would prefer to think for myself.

    But you go right ahead and let the WAPO and the NYT think for you. Frankly, you are too stupid to think for yourself.

  278. Wes says:

    Once again, Jason, I would agree if

    A) Moore weren’t a known, already unliked quantity

    and

    B) his trendline weren’t down.

    You’re having to come up with all kinds of twists of logic to justify to yourself Moore is somehow in a position to win when the actual evidence indicates the exact opposite.

  279. Wes says:

    This should say it all:

    Three years ago, Dems couldn’t even find a sacrificial lamb for this seat, and Jeff Sessions won reelection unopposed.

    Now a Democrat had led four straight polls while the Republican is mired in the low 40s.

    This is the greatest meltdof a frontrunner in a Senate race I’ve ever seen.
    –Jon Gruden

  280. jason says:

    You’re having to make an assumption to get to that conclusion, Jason.”

    Yes, that is correct.

    My assumption is that the undecided in that poll are mostly reluctant Rs embarrassed to say they will vote for Moore, but might do so anyway.

    Thus, the vote you say he has lost, could have come from this group.

    If my assumption is wrong, then Moore is screwed. But IF it is right, 3 points behind might not be the ballgame yet.

  281. Wes says:

    The only problem with that assumption is that it has no evidentiary basis.

  282. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 20, 2017 at 7:14 pm
    n other words, Trump sucked, but, since he won, now he’s just fine.”
    Zzzzzz…
    Since he won, I have chosen to support him on where I think supporting him is in the interest of the country. There IS a bigger picture here than Jeb Bush’s real killer.
    I have also chosen to move on from the primaries and stop whining that my candidate didn’t get elected.
    I have also chosen not to join the dishonest and partisan MSM who is 99% anti-Trump, the same dishonest and partisan MSM that was 99% pro-Obama.
    In other words, I would prefer to think for myself.
    But you go right ahead and let the WAPO and the NYT think for you. Frankly, you are too stupid to think for yourself.

    – But muh liberal media!

    You didn’t have any problem with the NYT “thinking for you” when they ran a story in the Summer of 2014 that torpedoed the Montana Democrat.

    You didn’t have any problem with the NYT “thinking for you” when they broke the Hillary email server story in March 2015.

    You’re a fraud.

  283. Wes says:

    meltdown of*

  284. jason says:

    ou’re having to come up with all kinds of twists of logic to justify to yourself Moore is somehow in a position to win when the actual evidence indicates the exact opposite.”

    No twists involved.

    I am speculating on who the undecided are. I don’t think they are Dems, I bet they have maxed out for Jones, they hate Moore and Trump. So they are either Indies that really don’t know who to vote for (I find that difficult to believe) or they are mostly Rs that think what we think, that Moore is a scumbag, but might vote for him anyway.

    It’s pretty straightforward.

  285. Wes says:

    Last four results for Jones: 51, 50, 47, 46. Average: 48.5%.

    Last four results for Moore: 39, 42, 42, 43. Average: 41.5%.

    That’s pretty much ballgame barring a major gamechanger.

  286. jason says:

    wes, I was commenting exclusively on that poll showing it 46-43 with 11% undecided.

    If the last polls before the election show Moore down by 3, I think he could win.

    If the polls show Jones at over 50%, he will most likely win.

  287. Wes says:

    Previous four results for Jones: 46, 46, 45, 43. Average: 45%.

    Previous four results for Moore: 46, 42, 55, 49. Average: 48%.

  288. jason says:

    he only problem with that assumption is that it has no evidentiary basis.”

    I think the evidence is in the composition of the electorate, which is much more R than D.

    So its reasonable to assume the undecided, especially with all the negative publicity, could be composed of mostly Rs.

    There is no “evidentiary basis” to the contrary either.

  289. jason says:

    I don’t understand the previous four results post.

  290. Wes says:

    51% 40% 9% +/-2.0 2,200
    Axis Research
    October 24-26, 2017 56% 39% 5% +/-4.5 503
    FOX10 News/Strategy Research
    October 19, 2017 52% 41% 7% +/-3.0 3,000
    Raycom News Network/Strategy Research
    October 16, 2017 51% 40%

    Previous four results for Jones before that: 40, 41, 39, 40. Average: 40%.

    Previous four results before that gor Moore: 51, 52, 56, 51. Average: 52.5%.

    I don’t know ehat else I can do to show you which way Moore is going, Jason. It’s not the way he needs to go to win.

  291. jason says:

    ou didn’t have any problem with the NYT “thinking for you” when they broke the Hillary email server story in March 2015.”

    Did you have a problem with the fact they then proceeded to absolve Hillary for the next 2 years and write what, hundreds of fake news articles defending her on Benghazi and the Clinton Foundation?

    We know the answer, you were fine with it. The ends justify the means.

  292. jason says:

    Wes, if Jones if 12 points ahead right before the election, he will win.

    If that is your point, we agree.

    If Jones is only 3 points ahead with 11% undecided I think Moore could well win. Again, I was only commenting on this particular poll.
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  293. DW says:

    So who gets added to the list tomorrow?

    George H. W. Bush
    Roy Moore
    Sylvester Stallone
    Bill Clinton
    Al Franken
    Charlie Rose

  294. Phil says:

    Yeah, the NYT is no objective mouthpiece, Robbie. They are a bunch of leftist hacks. I have never understood your citing them all the time like they are some kind of unbiased outlet of journalistic integrity. They are the mouthpiece of the DNC. Nothing less. Left wing slant 24/7.

  295. jason says:

    I am somewhat Zen on the results of this election. If I thought the deadenders would learn a lesson from a loss, it might well be worth the price. But they won’t.

    So I hope Moore wins by 1 vote and gets kicked out of the Senate.

    Yeah, no good outcomes.

  296. Wes says:

    Keep thinking that, Jason. It’s not a realistic scenario, and it’s not going to happen.

  297. Wobbles says:

    Can I be the first to say I believe Andrea Mitchell?

    Thanks.

    “The Washington Examiner reports Monday that NBC’s Andrea Mitchell repeatedly told White House budget director Mick Mulvaney, Sunday’s guest on “Meet the Press” that she has no political axe to grind.”

  298. jason says:

    Keep thinking that, Jason. It’s not a realistic scenario, and it’s not going to happen.”

    Did you see anywhere where I said it will happen?

    IMO the BEST scenario is that Moore wins by 1 vote and then gets kicked out of the Senate.

    I don’t think it will happen.

  299. BRENT says:

    BETTING MARKETS NOW HAVE ROY MOORE AHEAD BY 11 PTS 56 TO 45 THIS WILL ONLY GROW LARGER AS MORE OF THESE FRAUD ALLEGATIONS ARE TORN APART IMO

  300. Cash Cow TM says:

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  301. Cash Cow TM says:

    If I was Roy Moore I would change my name so my new name would be on the ballot.

    Say…What would happen if Moore met an untimely death, such as a meteor struck him, or died from a a rabid fox bite?
    ____________________________
    Would they postpone the election?
    Does someone get the right to appoint a replacement?

  302. Wes says:

    Weren’t you the one who said anyone who thinks a Dem can get over 45% of the vote in Alabama is nuts, Brent?

  303. jason says:

    Wow, the MSM has a hot new lead against Trump.

    “GIVEN THE CLOSE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RUSSIA AND HUNGARY”

    “Travels by Trump campaign adviser Carter Page to meet with senior officials in Hungary during the 2016 presidential election are being closely examined by congressional investigators, given the increasingly close ties between Hungary and Russia and the role of the country as a hub for Russian intelligence activity. The Hungarian prime minister was the first foreign leader to endorse Donald Trump’s candidacy.”

    Pretty soon anyone who likes caviar will be indicted.

  304. jason says:

    Betting markets are not predictors of the results, they merely reflect current information.

    This latest poll is being interpreted as good news for Moore because he is only 3 points behind. From my posts earlier I also concurred that this poll taken by itself is not fatal to Moore.

    But if a new poll comes out tomorrow showing Moore farther behind, you can bet, pun intended, that his odds of winning will decline again.

    I certainly wouldn’t bet money on Moore.

  305. jason says:

    Yeah, the NYT is no objective mouthpiece, Robbie. They are a bunch of leftist hacks. I have never understood your citing them all the time like they are some kind of unbiased outlet of journalistic integrity. They are the mouthpiece of the DNC. Nothing less. Left wing slant 24/7.”

    But, Phil, Wobbie was able to come up with 2 articles in the last 4 years that were not obviously partisan.

    How could you say they are leftist hacks?

    AND their senior editors LOVE puppies.

  306. Tina says:

    There is a trump, russian, hungary connection.

    See, there is collusion.

    I just wet myself.

    Jebot.

  307. janz says:

    #307. Jason has some interesting thinking …I like it.

  308. jason says:

    Carter Page went to Hungary.

    Hungary has a “close relationship” with Russia.

    This is a slam dunk collusion case.

  309. jason says:

    We cater to all tastes, janz. Wes didn’t like my interesting thinking.

  310. Wobbles says:

    I read at the fair and balanced NYT that Trump owns a Fabergé egg…

    It’s well known that the most famous ones were made for the Russian Tsars, so its obvious Trump is a Russian agent.

    Time to overturn the election.

  311. jason says:

    Seattle just ran the most boneheaded fake FG I ever saw.

    – Jon Gruden

  312. jason says:

    A shovel pass up the middle in front of the entire Falcon defense with 25 yards to get to the end zone.

    Or kick a high percentage FG with 7 seconds to go in the half.

    Andy Reid is jealous.

  313. lisab says:

    moore will probably lose

    and the people here who are saying moore will 100% lose will crow and say how people who say that moore has a chance of winning were completely off base

    but to that i have one thing to say

    president trump

    and the people who say moore will 100% lose will say, “hillary was the most unpopular candidate in a 100 years”

    and to that i say, “who predicted trump would win?”

    moore has a chance … it may be drawing to an inside straight, but a couple of weeks is a long time in politics

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  315. michael corleone says:

    For people who should be experts reading polls, many here are to eager to accept a poll 3 weeks out as predictive of the result. My contention is Moore’s poll numbers dropped largely because of self selection bias – people inclined to vote for Moore refusing to take the poll because don’t want to be associated with Moore’s behavior. We saw this same thing after the Access Hollywood video dropped but the decrease in Trump’s support was illusory. Also the WH is beginning to nationalize the race in support of the R candidate. In addition the allegations against Moore are falling apart – where is the yearbook? On top of all of this, we have Dem politicians getting caught in more recent allegations but are nonetheless keeping their seats. If the choice for AL voters is a scumbag that supports my values versus a dem scumbag that opposes my values, Moore wins. By Dec it is extremely likely that Moore has a comfortable lead.

  316. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if MC has been forced to marry a man yet? You know those all-powerful gays will try to outlaw heterosexual relationships.

  317. lisab says:

    moore may win, moore may lose

    there is a probability associated with that event

    and it is not 100% moore loses

  318. Redmen4ever says:

    Has Doug Jones been asked by the press if Al Franken should resign?

  319. mnw says:

    Anything is possible still, but there have been a banana boatload of polls already— none good for Moore.

    I WANT to believe that Tinkerbell Roy can be brought back to life, but I’ll have to see some polling evidence.

    The polling in VA was reasonably predictive— if anything they had Northam underperforming, right? Taken as a whole?

  320. Wes says:

    I’m with Mnw on this. People supporting Moore want to see him ahead and are creating scenarios for a lead. Realistically Moore is down and has shown no signs of regaining his footing.

    Can that be reversed?

    Absolutely.

    Will it happen?

    Not so long as Roy Moore with all his peccadilloes is the focus of the race.

    It’s really that simple: Moore needs to change the narrative, or he will lose.

  321. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Bitter
    Here is Roy Moore’s defense case against the charges brought by Beverly “Yearbook” Nelson. Are you buying it?

    http://wiat.com/2017/11/20/roy-moore-campaign-attempts-to-debunk-accusers-claims/

  322. Tina says:

    Conyers latest person now.

    Hopefully, ryano did not cover this up. To be fair, the incidents could have kccured before he was speaker.

    Otherwise, we are looking at house page scandal, 2006 redux.

    Remember, fff?

  323. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder where Michigan Guy has been in the past few days. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the Alabama polls.

  324. MichiganGuy says:

    BL, I’ve been here every day. I just didn’t see anything worthy to comment on.

  325. Bitterlaw says:

    333 Sheeple – I reviewed the evidence. I do not find it to be more or less credible than the accuser because it can be argued that it is as self-serving as her statement.

    A few details strike me. First, the claim that she could not have worked there at 15 seems pretty easy to debunk. How carefully did restaurants monitor that in the 1970’s in Alabama (or anywhere).

    The officer who worked at the courthouse but never saw Moore at the restaurant? Most courthouse employees and law enforcement bolt as soon as the trials and Hearings conclude for the day – usually between 4:00 and 5:00. Was the DA’s office in the courthouse or in another building.

    To sum up, any of these stories could be taken apart on cross-examination. I do think that is possible that the accuser made it up but she may not have. Just because she did not report it then means little to me. I never reported the priest who went after me. If I reported it now, I am certain that some Moore-type supporter would claim that it was not true because I did not know what color the drapes were in the office.

    I think that people who support Moore will believe these statements. People who do not support Moore will not. The needle will not move.

  326. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – Check in every day. How will we know you’re safe if the zombies attack.

    Polls suck for Moore. Don’t worry. He is doing great as a Republican in the very liberal state of Alabama.

  327. Redmen4ever says:

    Has anybody in the press thought to ask Doug Jones if he thinks Bill Clinton should have been removed from office back in the 1990s?

  328. MichiganGuy says:

    BL, you’re a funny guy. I agree it looks bad for Moore right now. We will see how things look in a couple of weeks. One thing that Moore has going for him is that virtually all Republican politicians in Alabama are supporting him. No, that doesn’t mean he is going to win but, it gives him a fighting chance.

  329. DW says:

    Who gets added to the list today?

    George H. W. Bush
    Roy Moore
    Sylvester Stallone
    Bill Clinton
    Al Franken
    Charlie Rose

  330. DW says:

    whoops…I answered my own question…go to Drudge:

    George H. W. Bush
    Roy Moore
    Sylvester Stallone
    Bill Clinton
    Al Franken
    Charlie Rose
    John Conyers

  331. Bitterlaw says:

    Who gets added to the list today?

    Walt. You can’t tell me that a guy more than a billion years old never did anything inappropriate.

  332. DW says:

    oh and I forgot to add Harvey to the list, who came first, and wait…another one…Oliver Stone just accused by Melissa Gilbert:

    Harvey Weinstein
    George H. W. Bush
    Roy Moore
    Sylvester Stallone
    Bill Clinton
    Al Franken
    Charlie Rose
    John Conyers
    Oliver Stone

  333. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #337
    Thanks. If the Moore/Nelson case was tried in a Court of Law, Moore would prevail due to reasonable doubt.
    This case will be tried in the Court of Political Public Opinion on December 12th. Every Alabama voter is his/her own juror.

  334. DW says:

    343–Walt? No way. He helped Moses carry the stone tablets down from Mt. Sinai.

  335. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #343
    My guess is Jeff Sessions. One must be weary of those quiet Southern guys named after Confederate VIPs!

  336. NYCmike says:

    Ok, so I see Wes moving towards jason’s line of reasoning, after his little hissy fit last night.

    OF COURSE Moore has to nationalize the race.
    OF COURSE Moore has to change the narrative.

    That is what people have stated: with three weeks left, he has that chance.

  337. NYCmike says:

    “after his little hissy fit last night.”

    -“his” refers to Wes.

  338. DW says:

    oh and I forgot Thrush….this needs some sort of indexing system to keep it all straight.

    Harvey Weinstein
    George H. W. Bush
    Roy Moore
    Sylvester Stallone
    Bill Clinton
    Al Franken
    Charlie Rose
    Glenn Thrush
    John Conyers
    Oliver Stone

  339. jason says:

    “This case will be tried in the Court of Political Public Opinion on December 12th. Every Alabama voter is his/her own juror.”

    Yep, as it should be.

    I would love to see Moore do the right thing for the country and step down. Doesn’t look like that will happen.

    So let the voters have their say.

    That is why I oppose delaying the election if Moore is still going to be the candidate.

  340. jason says:

    Uh oh….

    According to some new Dead Sea scrolls recently uncovered, it seems like Walt asked Lucy to go into his cave.

    Developing….

  341. jason says:

    One thing that Moore has going for him is that virtually all Republican politicians in Alabama are supporting him”

    Yep, and that is why a scumbag like him who has no respect for the rule of law was allowed to stay in the party and run as a R.

    Unfortunately this is a case where the Rs in AL emulated the Democrat’s meme that the ends justify the means. Because they sympathized with his positions in favor of the monument (so did I) and anti gay marriage (I did not) they were willing to overlook the fact that as a supreme court justice he was oath bound to obey the law and the Constitution.

  342. Bitterlaw says:

    The good news for Walt is that many of his accusers are literally fossils now. Also, writing had not been invented during his wild youth millions of years ago.

  343. jason says:

    Its remarkable that even without writing his exploits were carried down by thousands of generations by word of mouth.

    And let me be the first to say I would be against removing all of Walt’s plaques, busts, and statues from the WV State Legislature because of these 2 million year old allegations.

  344. Bitterlaw says:

    One of Walt’s earliest girlfriends has a story to tell. Well, if she was alive she would tell it.

    https://www.cmnh.org/getmedia/021989c8-0967-4f8d-8ca6-071976b14823/lucy-model?width=300&height=446

  345. jason says:

    I read Moore’s “defense”.

    It’s as credible and believable as the allegations by the accuser.

    In other words it’s just statements from people who may or may not have a political agenda describing something 40 years ago, which may or may not be true.

    Just like I don’t think anybody’s candidacy or career should be destroyed by uncorroborated statements about 40 year old events, I don’t think these statements absolve Moore either.

  346. jason says:

    Well, if she was alive she would tell it.”

    Does she have to tell it? Look at her expression, she seems sad and upset. That should be enough evidence.

  347. jason says:

    “after his little hissy fit last night.”

    -“his” refers to Wes.”

    Thanks, NYC, I don’t have hissy fits, only conniptions.

  348. Tgca says:

    I think we need to add Thomas Jefferson to the running list of the privileged men using their position of power to sexually harass or create an environment where sexual harassment proliferates.

    Fatty Arbuckle too.

    …and clearly James Bond is a chauvinist pig who abuses and uses women.

  349. Redmen4ever says:

    Paula Jones v. Clinton WAS in a court of law. But, the defendant was a Democrat, so what did it matter?

    The case of Roy Moore could be before the Senate Ethics Committee. But, in my opinion, prior to any hearing, the FBI would investigate if there is any evidence to corroborate the allegation that said accused did inappropriate touch the underwear of a 14-year old, and did assault a 16-year old (or is it a 15-year old?).

    Since we have physical evidence in the latter case, the FBI would have one of their experts validate the signature and they would date the ink. The Ethics Committee could voluntarily request the item, or consider convening a hearing and issuing a subpoena. (I doubt would happen if the accuser didn’t voluntarily comply with the request).

    As for dating legal-age teenagers, I believe we have an admission to that charge.

    All of which brings to mind: has any reporter thought to ask Senator Al Franken or Senator Robert Menendez if they think Bill Clinton should have been removed from office?

  350. Tgca says:

    Ok. The charge from Melissa Gilbert on Oliver Stone seems really weak. I’m not one to defend bad behavior, especially in Hollywood, but unless she can show that this was not part of a movie script, and was specifically targeted at her, I don’t see how this rises to sexual harassment. Even in the latter case, it may be more juvenile and vindictive but not sexual harassment. It is not unreasonable to be expected to act out uncomfortable scenes in auditions.

    For Christ sakes…grow a pair Melissa!

    Oops! I wonder if my last comment is considered sexual harassment or just male privilege.

  351. Tgca says:

    Oh, let’s not forget to add porn star James Deen to the list. He was accused by at least one female porn star of inappropriate behavior and rape last year, none of which were proven, last I heard.

    Clearly, there needs to be standards in the porn industry so female porn stars don’t feel there is an environment of sexual harassment and objectification.

  352. DW says:

    363 – sort of like someone buying a house at the end of a military base airstrip and then complaining of jet noise.

  353. jason says:

    I bet the list of big DEM names would be even bigger if not for the fact that many are being protected for the “cause”.

  354. jason says:

    Where is Mr. Vito to weigh in on all this?

  355. Tgca says:

    I think we should start a pool or lottery of some sort to determine who will be accused next. This could provide needed cash to the states to further fund education costs.

  356. BRENT says:

    Judge Roy Moore Leads Liberal Doug Jones 58% to 35% in latest Tribune Poll

  357. janz says:

    Axios reporting news organizations are busy investigating additional sexual misconduct reports in Hollywood, DC, and board rooms. Details seem to indicate that “lefties” have an amazing edge on exposing future culprits.

  358. janz says:

    Also, am curious if any of the women alledging sexual improprieties from Moore are dated after the time of his 30+ year marriage.

  359. jason says:

    I think we should start a pool or lottery of some sort to determine who will be accused next. This could provide needed cash to the states to further fund education costs.”

    Absolutely, especially since this is sure to be abuse-proof.

  360. jason says:

    Judge Roy Moore Leads Liberal Doug Jones 58% to 35% in latest Tribune Poll”

    “Liberal Doug Jones”?

    Dang, I know he is a liberal but he must feel very confident if he changed his name.

  361. Redmen4ever says:

    Porn Star? Did somebody say porn star?

    According to the mainstream media, a porn star’s accusation of sexual misconduct by Donald Trump was a serious matter. It was one of 13. Right along with The Donald putting his hand through a solid armrest to grope a passenger in first class, while using a cloaking devise to hide what was going on from the stewardess and other passengers. As though Jedi Knights couldn’t simply command consent.

    Of course, due process requires corroborating evidencewe of porn star sex! Show me the cooties!

  362. mnw says:

    There really IS a “Tribune Poll”!

    A Trussville, AL Tribune, online poll. The respondents were… whoever felt like responding! The Trussville Tribune describes its poll as “unscientific.” Yes… and how.

  363. jason says:

    Sorry wes, this looks like a done deal for Moore. Who do you think the undecided will break for?

    “TRUSSVILLE –In an unscientific online poll conducted by The Trussville Tribune, Republican Roy Moore led Democrat Doug Jones by a healthy margin.

    The poll limited participating IP addresses to one entry and had 2,741 participants. The Tribune covers the cities of Trussville, Clay, Pinson, Center Point, Argo and Springville in Jefferson and St. Clair counties.”

  364. jason says:

    As they say, as Pinson goes so does AL.

    I don’t know who said it, somebody has to have said it.

  365. jason says:

    If you see the crosstabs, Moore’s lead is even bigger among those who don’t own a computer.

  366. jason says:

    Wobbie to be critical of the unscientific online poll in 3, 2, 1even though the Trussville Times correctly predicted Trump would beat Hillary in Trussville.

  367. Tgca says:

    Drudge has a link stating:

    “Another Woman fingers Franken.”

    This is confusing. Did she request his permission 1st. If not, he may also be a victim of sexual assault. Is it possible to be both a sexual predator and victim at the same time?

  368. Bitterlaw says:

    Why won’t Tgca discuss ABORTION?

  369. jason says:

    Another Woman fingers Franken.”

    This is a sore topic among us A-holes.

  370. jason says:

    I remember when TGCA wanted Phil Robertson and Duck Dynasty banned from TV because Phil said he was against gay marriage. Fortunately, the Gestapo tactics did not prevail and free speech did.

    But he seems to have taking a more conciliatory approach on Oliver Stone, maybe he is mellowing out.

  371. Tgca says:

    381 Bitter

    I’ll meet you half way. Let’s discuss how many of the accusers have had ABORTIONS? My guess is very few women in Hollywood would choose ABORTION over career advancement. Discusss amongst yourselves.

  372. Tgca says:

    Jason sweetie. I don’t ever recall being against someone because they have an opinion, and request banning them so please elaborate with specifics. I am not against anyone, stating they disagree with gay lifestyle based on religious views. I still feel that way as someone who is devout believer. I do not feel one should be ostracized for a true belief based on their religious views. I do feel though purposeful hate speech and ridiculous accusations should be strongly challenged and debated, and not allowing someone to hide behind the Bible when the Bible has many verses that are considered extreme today (e,g. Kill those disrespectful kids of yours dammit!).

    If I recall, my concern with some Duck Dynasty actors were ignorant comments and hypocrisy. I could care less if they have a TV show or not. But remember their stupid comments about the 15 yo being the right age to impregnate? I wonder if grandpa Ducky might be asking what’s wrong with what Moore is accused of because 14 or 15 is no big difference. Hmm…

  373. DW says:

    Harvey Weinstein
    George H. W. Bush
    Roy Moore
    Sylvester Stallone
    Bill Clinton
    Al Franken
    Charlie Rose
    Glenn Thrush
    John Conyers
    Oliver Stone

    Many right now very nervous. Some probably making withdrawals today to pay out hush money.

    DC politicians stimulating the economy as they pay off women to stay quiet.

  374. Tgca says:

    I’m waiting for someone to accuse McCain of inappropriate behavior. After all, he did run with Teddy back in the day partying hard and we all know that story. This may be wishful thinking but that would be so sweet to me. I admit I despise Mac and cannot wait until his seat is available to a true Republican.

    At this rate, I expect a number of GOP and Dems to be in the crosshairs soon over their past conduct.

    Place your bets folks. Whose next?

  375. DW says:

    NPR/PBS/Marist (not exactly a GOP cheerleader):

    Generic Ballot:

    GOP 40
    Dem 43

    Robbie hardest hit.

  376. Tgca says:

    RCP has clip from Scarborough

    “Joe Scarborough: “Pathetic, Sad, Weak-Minded People Blindly Follow Trump Over Their God”

    …and how is that different than 90% of AA blindly supporting Obama or 75% gays blindly supporting Clinton?

    Why do these criticisms only apply to conservatives?

  377. DW says:

    389 – wow, I blew it! I didn’t realize God ran in 2016 as a third party candidate! Must have been on the back of the ballot. I ended up thinking I had to pick between two poor candidates and chose Trump over Clinton and all the while God was on the ballot.

  378. Tgca says:

    So Charlie Rose is clearly out and his career will be over, if all pans out as expected. But what about the show’s female producer who remarked “ that’s just Charlie being Charlie” on the sexual harassment complaints brought to her attention? Should she not be fired as well? This is an example of many of the women that condone and protect the behaviors of these predatory men. She should also be made an example of so it sends the right message.

  379. jason says:

    Jason sweetie…..”

    Hey Ma, we landed a TGCAfish, a real whopper too…

    Remind me to buy some more of that Louisiana bait…

  380. Tgca says:

    Drudge Report’s CBS officially fires Rose.

  381. jason says:

    Joe Scarborough: “Pathetic, Sad, Weak-Minded People Blindly Follow Trump Over Their God”

    Right, because Doug Jones and the Dems are so interested in protecting their religious beliefs…

  382. Tgca says:

    Jason

    Please don’t harass me about my “real whopper.” Its unbecoming behavior, especially in this environment of accusations. Besides, I can’t help it; i’m part Latino. Just be happy with what little treasures the Lord bestowed upon you.

    But I still live ya. You know that.

    Hugs and kisses always.

  383. DW says:

    Given Rose’s wealth…

    “Rose owns a large house[4] in Henderson, North Carolina,[45] a 5,500-square-foot beach home on Long Island, and an apartment overlooking Central Park in New York City, each worth several million dollars.[4] Rose also owns an apartment in Washington, D.C. and Paris.[45] In 1990,[45] Rose purchased a 525-acre soybean farm near Oxford, North Carolina for use as a country retreat.[46][47] Rose named the property Grassy Creek Farm.[47]”

    …why didn’t he use his money to buy what he wanted?

  384. Tgca says:

    Conyer denies settling 2015 sex allegations, according to a Newsmax.

    I guess that settles that then. He corrected the record. Nothing to see here folks….move on. The CongressCritter has been vindicated.

  385. Wobbles says:

    Generic Ballot:

    GOP 40
    Dem 43

    Robbie hardest hit.”

    This can’t be right. It would mean some people care more about the economy than tweets about some scumbag fake journalist’s face.

    I would be very disappointed if people were that stupid.

  386. DW says:

    Gayle King and Nora O’Donnell on CBS plead for more women to come forward and share their stories:

    http://www.realclearlife.com/television/devastated-cbs-morning-crew-responds-charlie-rose-suspension/

  387. jason says:

    Besides, I can’t help it; i’m part Latino”

    So a full Latino means double shopper?

    Ok….

  388. jason says:

    Hmmmmm ….whopper

  389. ssq says:

    “Conyer denies settling 2015 sex allegations”

    Out of how many?

  390. jason says:

    I am trying to convince my wife to claim harassment by someone famous, preferably a Democrat. I told her I know a lawyer on a blog who could represent her on a contingency fee.

    Not to make anything up of course, but to remember what happened 30 years ago.

    So far she can’t remember anything but Happy Hour might help.

  391. mnw says:

    The notes on RAS’ Daily Pres Tracker are very bad for the GOP today, the generic quoted above notwithstanding.

  392. Cash Cow TM says:

    From a friend on Facebook…

    “Don’t forget to set your scales back 10 pounds this week!”

    heh…

  393. Cash Cow TM says:

    “peccadilloes”

    I am hard at work on this word…

  394. Cash Cow TM says:

    “… I would be against removing all of Walt’s plaques, busts, and statues from the WV State Legislature…”
    #############################################
    Walt says he guarantees no plaques, busts, and statues [of him] will ever be removed…
    #############################################
    He said he is worried about the stories coming to light when he asked all those various women to come into his cave to ‘see his cave drawings’ and he showed him the tool he used for the drawings.

  395. Cash Cow TM says:

    “peccadilloes”

    all codpieces
    I C escalloped

  396. Tgca says:

    OMG! The hypocrisy of the left, especially the gay mafia and women. I had this discussion with friends the other night. You know how many times I have been grabbed and groped and had folks say inappropriate things to me over the years running in gay circles? Hundreds and hundreds of times. Much of the complaints I’m hearing now are par for the course in the circles I ran in during my yoot. I would just:

    1. Accept it as a compliment and that it goes with the territory of being a total babe, and that I did a form of community service by allowing someone to momentarily indulge and fantasize (I know, how nice of me).

    2. Assume due to excessive alcohol consumption and inebriation someone’s hand just happen to accidentally slip and make contact with the most private areas of my body.

    3. Display my Jersey charm and threaten the person, and elaborate upon physical violence I shall reap upon them if they did it again. However, I do make exceptions here if they’re equally a total babe, in which case I strongly encouraged more inappropriate behavior be directed at me.

  397. mnw says:

    Moore +6, per Breitbart

    A real poll, not a joke poll like the Trussville Tribune, but still… Breitbart.

    Large LV sample; pretty respectable looking GOP/Dem turnout model— same as 2016.

  398. NYCmike says:

    I did not have an opinion in the original primary, although I did prefer Mo Brooks. Once it was down to Strange and Moore, I was fine with whomever Alabama Republicans picked.

    Maybe I should have listened to some of the other opinions regarding Moore, but I didn’t. SUE ME.

    NOW that Robbie and “CG” have been so over-the-top in condemning Moore, and Bannon, and KAC, I REALLY WANT Moore to win.

    SUE ME TWICE!

  399. Tgca says:

    PBS follows CBS and fires Rose (technically no longer carrying his show). Being fired twice in one day must be tough.

  400. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Lol mnw the racist is back quoting a poll from a racist site after being completely wrong about the virginia race he makes the same mistake in picking a poll that teflects what he wants rather than picking a better methodology.

    And this other troll keeps repeating a fake poll without any links that says the generic ballot is even. The last marist poll about 10 days ago showed a +15 dem lead according to rcp. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2018_generic_congressional_vote-6185.html

    So much fake news and all of you swallow it up.

    You stupid boobs.

  401. NYCmike says:

    Robbie and “CG” are pretty good persuaders.

    Kinda like Trump? (per Scott Adams)

  402. NYCmike says:

    “You stupid boobs.”

    -Boobs?

    Where? Where? TELL ME!

  403. mnw says:

    The poll Breitbart commissioned is the lead story at Breitbart. It’s fully sourced also. Make of it what you will. I was careful to point out who paid for it.

  404. DW says:

    Update to list:

    Harvey Weinstein
    George H. W. Bush
    Roy Moore
    Sylvester Stallone
    Bill Clinton
    Al Franken
    Charlie Rose
    Glenn Thrush
    John Conyers
    Oliver Stone
    John Lasseter

  405. mnw says:

    The Breitbart pollster had Moore +10 in that pollster’s previous pre-scandal poll, so it does show Moore taking a hit.

    It’s worth taking a look. I’d be curious to know what others here think of it.

  406. DW says:

    The dem in 413 mocks me for making up a poll, I provide a link and then he disappears.

  407. DW says:

    Just for clarity, supplying occupation:

    Harvey Weinstein – film producer
    George H. W. Bush – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – film actor
    Bill Clinton – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken – entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush – Journalist
    John Conyers – US congressman
    Oliver Stone – film producer, director
    John Lasseter – film director, animator

  408. NYCmike says:

    “John Lasseter – film director, animator”

    -Was he caught with “Woody”, or with a woody?

    Or, did he have a woody for “Woody”?

  409. Redmen4ever says:

    I don’t like to write a narrative until after the election is over, but … you’re supposed to spring the October surprise the weekend before the election, or maybe the Thursday before. Time enough to get the word out, but not time enough for any response other than a denial. Never give a sucker an even break!

  410. NYCmike says:

    Redmen,

    Long way to go still…..maybe they’ll find some more women.

  411. jason says:

    Doug Jones is raking in the cash like Ossoff did.

    Would be funny if he loses, maybe the Dems can blow another 30 million down the rathole.

  412. mnw says:

    Moore purports to be taking ina lot of cash also. Is the race being nationalized?

  413. DW says:

    Orman also was flush with cash…I wonder who he is caucusing with today?

  414. jason says:

    So which is worse?

    Jones wins, giving the Dems another seat in the Senate and lots of crowing rights and ammunition for the “Democratic wave of 2018” meme.

    Moore wins, giving the MSM and Dems lots of ammunition to paint the GOP as pedophile friendly and an opportunity to keep Moore in the news all the way to the 2018 election.

    Both options suck.

    I still tend to prefer Moore wins because it marginally increases the chances for some of Trump’s agenda to pass.

    Thanks deadenders, from the bottom of the Dem hearts.

  415. jason says:

    Where is D-ndero, who famously called Orman a “Perot Republican”, based on a rumor that Orman was seen at a Perot convention decades ago

  416. jason says:

    I guess the denial had a shelf life of 3 nanoseconds.

    “DETROIT (AP) — Longtime Michigan Rep. John Conyers acknowledged Tuesday that his office settled a harassment complaint involving a former staffer but said he “vehemently” denies the allegations against him.

  417. jason says:

    Translation: he settled fake accusations.

  418. NYCmike says:

    “Thanks deadenders, from the bottom of the Dem hearts.”

    -Thank Mitch for going after MO BROOKS.

  419. jason says:

    I did not have an opinion in the original primary, although I did prefer Mo Brooks. Once it was down to Strange and Moore, I was fine with whomever Alabama Republicans picked.

    Maybe I should have listened to some of the other opinions regarding Moore, but I didn’t.”

    That is because you never saw a deadender you didn’t support.

  420. NYCmike says:

    “Moore wins, giving the MSM and Dems lots of ammunition to paint the GOP as pedophile friendly and an opportunity to keep Moore in the news all the way to the 2018 election.”

    -B*llsh*t!

    If Moore wins, they should immediately call for an ethics violation, invite Allred up with the yearbook lady, and any other of the accusers.

    If the women come up, then there may be something there that you can throw Moore out on.

    If the women don’t come up, then you defend Moore as innocent and tell the MSM to take a hike.

  421. NYCmike says:

    “deadender” – those who receive the majority of the vote in primary elections against “Republicans-who-campaign-one-way-and-govern-another”.

  422. NYCmike says:

    ” they should immediately call for an ethics violation”

    -“they” = Republican Senate
    -“violation” = investigation

  423. Cash Cow TM says:

    What is worse?

    –illegal immigrants raping people in the U.S.

    or

    –unwanted sexual advances or groping by some famous politico or movie or MSM star?
    **************************************************
    I know which one gets my undies in the biggest knot.

    Does not mean I condone the other.

  424. mnw says:

    Well, Trump’s all in for Moore.

    Ironic if the media wing of the DEM party paints a Moore loss as a referendum on Trump!

  425. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Here is a second Alabama Senate Poll showing Moore(R) +2–47/45. It was Moore +6 a few weeks ago.

    ((Harry Enten)))?Verified account
    @ForecasterEnten
    3m3 minutes ago
    More
    New Strategy Research poll in Alabama: Moore 47, Jones 45. Last poll (conducted after first round of allegations) was Moore +6. One before that was Moore +11.

  426. DW says:

    Grand total of three more added to the list today…who gets added tomorrow?

    Harvey Weinstein – film producer
    George H. W. Bush – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – film actor
    Bill Clinton – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken – entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush – Journalist
    John Conyers – US congressman
    Oliver Stone – film producer, director
    John Lasseter – film director, animator

  427. MichiganGuy says:

    Alabama Senate (Strategy Research)

    Moore 47%
    Jones 45%

    https://tinyurl.com/y7baw47w

  428. Tina says:

    Who did the breitbart poll?

  429. Tina says:

    Where are the mighty gope?

    Drunk, mute, on a cruise line with krystal meth?

  430. Tina says:

    Bill Kristol
    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    The GOP tax bill’s bringing out my inner socialist. The sex scandals are bringing out my inner feminist. Donald Trump and Roy Moore are bringing out my inner liberal.
    WHAT IS HAPPENING?
    12:46 PM · Nov 21, 2017

    Like father, like son.

  431. jason says:

    So there are two polls out that don’t show Moore’s defeat as a “sure thing”.

    What say wes?

  432. mnw says:

    Tina

    “WHAT IS HAPPENING?”

    You’re an azalea! Happy to be of service.

  433. jason says:

    “deadender” – those who receive the majority of the vote in primary elections against “Republicans-who-campaign-one-way-and-govern-another”.

    Translation: SEND A MESSAGE.

    Let’s elect liberal Democrats because the incumbent Rs are not 100% pure and litmus tested.

    No wonder I called NYC a moron for years.

  434. jason says:

    If Moore wins, they should immediately call for an ethics violation, invite Allred up with the yearbook lady, and any other of the accusers.

    If the women come up, then there may be something there that you can throw Moore out on.

    If the women don’t come up, then you defend Moore as innocent and tell the MSM to take a hike.”

    LOL

    In what world do you live in? Let’s get real here, Moore will be a circus act from day.

    In your dreams will the MSM take a hike. They will milk this gift from the deadenders until kingdom come.

  435. mnw says:

    Breitbart poll w/ Moore +6 done by:

    WT&S Consulting, John Wahl CEO.

    Huge sample of LVs.

  436. jason says:

    “Thanks deadenders, from the bottom of the Dem hearts.”

    -Thank Mitch for going after MO BROOKS.”

    Mo Brooks is another moron.

    He forgot about the Peter Principle, he was already over his head as a congressman, wasn’t happy.

  437. jason says:

    Well, Trump’s all in for Moore.”

    No, he thinks the people of AL should decide the election and he hopes they won’t elect a liberal Democrat.

    I agree.

    He probably thinks Moore is a scumbag idiot like I do.

  438. jason says:

    I guess we won’t see Pete Wilson for awhile after DW tore him a new a-hole.

  439. mnw says:

    Moore = circus act?

    Yes, probably. And a Rand Paul clone too.

    The thought of that partial birth abortion DEM zealot in the Senate, & reducing the (so-called) GOP majority from however you want to calculate it now* to decimal dust… concentrated the mind wonderfully, though.

    * I never count McCain or Collins as part of the GOP “majority.” Nor Flake either, at this point.

  440. jason says:

    Pete Wilson troll:

    And this other troll keeps repeating a fake poll without any links that says the generic ballot is even”

    DW says:
    November 21, 2017 at 3:20 pm

    new Marist poll is right here:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

    OUCH!

  441. mnw says:

    I took what Trump said to be a clear signal that he wants his supporters in AL to vote for Moore. He didn’t have to say anything.

  442. Tina says:

    MNw, i think mts is the gold standard for alabama.

  443. jason says:

    I put the odds of Moore winning at 50/50 based on what I see today. It could change.

    Sue me.

    For a R in AL, the odds are pitiful.

    For what Moore is enduring from the MSM and the useful idiots, it’s a freaking miracle.

  444. jason says:

    “I took what Trump said to be a clear signal that “…he wants his supporters in AL to vote for Moore.”

    Yeah, but so what?

    A Republican president who needs support in the Senate wants his supporters to vote for the Republican candidate. This should not be a surprise.

    This doesn’t mean he is “all in for Moore”. If he was all in for Moore he would have endorsed him in the primary.

    His best option is the one I outlined before, hope that Moore wins by 1 vote.

  445. Tgca says:

    Tina 445

    Maybe Kevin Spacey can bring out Kristol’s inner homosexuality.

    I know a closeted gay man when I see one dammit! I have excellent Gaydar.

  446. mnw says:

    I am very open to the possibility that polls, especially polls that aren’t automated, underestimate Moore’s true level of support— because an unknown percentage of “respectable” voters are embarrassed to admit that they are voting for him.

    Pollsters sometimes call this the “shy Tory factor,” a phrase coined after the 1992 (1997 ?) UK election that John Major won by an unexpected margin.

  447. jason says:

    I think the shy Moore voter is a definite possibility. I don’t know if its enough, but I suspect most of the undecided are “shy” Moore voters.

  448. Wes says:

    In 1996, the enormously popular Governor of Massachusetts, Bill Weld, decided to challenge John Kerry’s reelection bid for the Senate. Weld sometimes discussed the “hidden Weld vote” that would enable his victory.

    On Election Night, Weld in conceding noted the “hidden Weld vote” had remained hidden.

    This is what I think of when I see posters relying on shy Republicans to help Roy Moore beat Doug Jones.

  449. mnw says:

    I would be embarrassed to tell anybody I KNEW that I was going to vote for Moore.

  450. Wes says:

    In 1996, Republican Congressman Tim Hutchinson became the first Republican Senator from Arkansas by running on an unabashedly socially conservative platform much like Roy Moore’s.

    Six years later, Hutchinson was swept from office by state Attorney General Mark Pryor, having become embroiled in a sex scandal that undermined his support among evangelical Christians.

    Hm…

  451. mnw says:

    Wes

    What do you think of the Breitbart poll showing Moore +6?

  452. Wes says:

    In the mid 1990s, Roy Moore had a political ally in the state Governor’s office named Fob James.

    Alabama had begun shifting heavily GOP, largely out of irritation with Bill Clinton. Two years into James’ term in office, Alabamans swept Democrats from their Senate delegation for the first time since Reconstruction.

    James though was a never-popular Governor. He allied himself with Moore and governed very much as a theocrat, rather than focus on non-religious of importance to his constituents.

    In 1998, even as D-turned-R Senator cruised to reelection with nearly two thirds of the vote, James lost reelection to LG Don Siegelman by a substantial 15 points.

  453. Wes says:

    It’s either an outlier or an indication Moore has somehow stopped the hemorrhaging, Mnw.

    I would need other polling to confirm.

    Tentatively without knowing anything more about it, I say outlier.

    As I say, before I give it any credence, I want to see confirmation in other polls.

  454. mnw says:

    I am impressed by the huge sample size— it must’ve cost a fortune to run. Also, an earlier poll by the same outfit had Moore +10, so the drop is somewhat consistent with other polling in that respect.

  455. Cash Cow TM says:

    We need a poll from WGAS* Polling

    *Who Gives A Snit”

  456. Cash Cow TM says:

    Has anyone polled herefords?

  457. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    “UPDATE: Mysterious ‘booms’ heard in 64 locations worldwide…

    Experts baffled…”

    FINALLY!
    something comes up for Cow to do.

    I am on it…
    –Like a duck on a June bug…
    –Like Bitter on a soda and hamburger…
    –Like jason on a barn raising…
    –Like Roy Moore on a 14 year old…
    #########################################

  458. Tina says:

    How reputabke is that other poll showing moore plus 2.

    It appears that moore has stopped the bleeding.

  459. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca has Gaydar? Zzzzzzzzzz.

    In other news, cats can tell cats from dogs.

  460. jason says:

    Aren’t there two polls showing Moore ahead?

    I don’t mean the Trussville Tribune BS poll.

  461. MichiganGuy says:

    Trump told reporters he would announce next week whether he plans on going to Alabama to campaign for Moore.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2017/11/21/trump-on-roy-moore-n2412610

    ———————————————————————————
    If, Trump campaigns for Moore; this would be a huge boost for Moore and would be harder for the Republicans to block him from the Senate.

  462. mnw says:

    There are 2 polls: Marist & the one Breitbart cites which I mentioned above.

  463. Wes says:

    Marist shows Moore on a precipitous downward trendline. Breitbart shows him suffering a less steep fall. Both show him still ahead but in freefall.

    That makes their benefit to Moore’s campaign ambiguous.

    If a poll comes out showing Moore gaining over his previous showing in it, that will be unambiguously good news for him.

    I don’t know if Trump would help or hurt Moore by campaigning for him.

    Moore lost his polling lead because of a host of sex scandals. Currently Washington has several of ghem coming out. Trump has his own history of allegations of sexual misconduct as well as several divorces in his background.

    At the same time, Trump energizes voters antithetical to the GOP. He also energizes elements of thd GOP base, but are genuine evangelical Christians going to heed Trump’s rallying cry for a man accused of a host of sordid acts?

    Before you point out the obvious fact that Trump won Alabama, let me remind you Obama had solidly carried Massachusetts in 2008. That had exactly no positive effect for Martha Coakley when Obama campaigned gor her in 2010.

    As such, I’d save Trump as a Hail Mary pass if Moore fails to regain footing within the next couple of weeks.

  464. Cash Cow TM says:

    ambiguous

    u big Amos, u
    I bug Amos. U?

  465. janz says:

    I don’t think Trump should campaign for Moore. He didn’t support him in the primaries, and he would be wise to stay out of it now, remaining neutral,leaving it up to AL to decide.

    As for Moore’s sex scandals….DC seems to be blooming with them. He will have lots of company should he win and be seated. The swamp…Indeed…

  466. Paul says:

    473: Each boom was a time traveller coming into our temporal sphere to make an attempt to redirect us from our inevitable course.

  467. MichiganGuy says:

    Wes says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:10 pm

    Before you point out the obvious fact that Trump won Alabama, let me remind you Obama had solidly carried Massachusetts in 2008. That had exactly no positive effect for Martha Coakley when Obama campaigned gor her in 2010.
    ——————————————————————————
    Wes, your logic is flawed. In Massachusetts, both candidates had the same positions on: abortion, same sex marriage, Guns: both favored assault weapons ban. There wasn’t a whole lot that they disagreed on. So, the voters chose the most charismatic person. Where as in Alabama Moore and Jones disagree on almost all of the major issues.

  468. JC says:

    – The DOW has risen by over 5,000 points – +27% – since the election last year.

    – The NY Fed Reserve has estimated 4th quarter GDP to climb 3.8%. This comes after 3.1% growth in the third quarter, a goal which met constant pessimism and mockery by ‘economic experts’ against Trump reaching this rate in his first term… let alone in his first year.

    – Jobless rate falls to 4.1% – the lowest since December, 2000.

  469. Wes says:

    You’re reaching, Elmer, to try to find the only difference between the two and prop up Moore.

    At this point, I doubt more than 10 Alabamans outside the leadership of both political parties can tell you Jones’ position on anything. That’s because Moore is the sole focus of the race right now while Jones is an afterthought.

    That’s the absolutely best situation Jones can possibly be in.

  470. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Do the rest of you guys at HHR feel as crestfallen as me? Meghan McCain was married yesterday.

    http://radaronline.com/videos/meghan-mccain-married-dying-dad-senator-john-mccain-cancer-secret-wedding-ben-domenech/

  471. JC says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2017 at 7:19 pm

    Bill Kristol
    The GOP tax bill’s bringing out my inner socialist. The sex scandals are bringing out my inner feminist. Donald Trump and Roy Moore are bringing out my inner liberal.
    WHAT IS HAPPENING?
    12:46 PM · Nov 21, 2017
    ————————

    Remember, these were the kind of people that ran (and to some extent, still run) the GOP for two decades.

    It was never about conservatism. It’s just about money.

  472. Tina says:

    So, oast three polls,

    2, 6,and 10.

  473. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Bitter
    Here is the Moore camp attempting to impeach the first accuser’s,Corfman’s, story. What say you?

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/21/court-documents-raise-significant-questions-leigh-corfmans-accusations-roy-moore/

  474. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #490
    Tina, unfortunately, this Emerson Poll is somewhat dated; it is 10 days old.

  475. Tina says:

    DIsregard that emerson poll, it is dated. The headline from gp is misleading,,

  476. Tina says:

    Thanks sheeple, i saw it too, after posting.

    I retract all posts linking to that poll.

  477. JC says:

    Tina says:
    November 22, 2017 at 6:31 am

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360121-poll-moore-leads-jones-by-10-points#.WhR71BmBLxU.twitter

    Moore now up 10
    —————–

    As I said at the beginning of the thread, the left launched their accusers too early, just like they did with Trump.

    I also suspect that these polls likely have a self selection bias against Moore supporters who don’t believe these ‘he said, she said’ accusations but don’t want to be lumped in with them by supporting Moore.

  478. JC says:

    Old poll.

    I still believe Moore will win with +50% of the vote.

  479. mnw says:

    Good morning.

    The Emerson poll is indeed 10 days old, but it is also, as advertised, taken post-sex allegations also.

    I want to say this in advance of any T’giving holiday/weekend polling:

    IT’S WORTHLESS! I don’t care if such polls show Moore up by 28 or down by 47. GARBAGE. I intend to ignore ALL polls good or bad until we get some post-holiday polling. How the hell are you supposed to poll “a man from Alabama, he was headed for Tennessee, and some homemade apple pie”?*

    *profound apologies to Perry Como.

  480. mnw says:

    Wes 479

    If this was CO or VA, I’d agree that Trump campaigning for a Senate candidate in those states would be a dangerous double-edged sword.

    But in AL? I think it would be a net plus, esp in an off-year election.

  481. MichiganGuy says:

    #500 I agree.

  482. MichiganGuy says:

    #499 oops, I forgot Hal didn’t like one of my post.

  483. Todd McCain says:

    Moore is going to win; I am sticking by my original prediction despite whatever CG or Robbie say.

    Wes is a smart guy and I appreciate his input, but I think he is wrong here.

    I will eat crow if wrong, however.

    AL is way different from MA; Moore doesn’t need DEMS or INDIES the way Brown did; he needs the GOP to come back home to him and Trump campaigning for him — if that happens– does it.

  484. mnw says:

    2 items:

    1) Hat Thief has been charged with misdemeanor grand theft.

    2) Murkowski has made some yes-sounding noises about tax reform, fwiw.

  485. Todd McCain says:

    Also, what does it tell you that despite being outspent 12-1 and the national party abandoning the race that Moore is still very much competitive in basically a tie race….

  486. Todd McCain says:

    ANWR drilling is part of the Senate Bill; a major boon to Murkowski.

    McCain is also leaning YES. Ron Johnson came around as well.

    Looks like they have it to me unless Flake or Corker want to me petulant.

  487. mnw says:

    Todd makes some valid points, I think.

    I have read some reports that Moore’s own FR has popped lately too.

  488. Tina says:

    Yeah, it,looks like the ak sea porker may be a yes.

  489. mnw says:

    IMO, McCain will vote no, unless his vote is completely meaningless because the bill will pass with or without him. THEN he’ll vote yes.

    McCain is a dying demented little jerk whose only remaining goal in life is to revenge himself on the world, for failing to acknowledge that he is our rightful God King.

  490. Tina says:

    I feel,that the al race has turned again. I want to see more polling, but not this week. Sometime, next week.

    I feel that things changed when the ca show boat, allred appeared. She melted down in several interviews about the yearbook signature. It does look like two different samples.

    Roy could be ray
    The 7 s do not match.
    Any verification if 2 different ink colors?

    Wish a handwriting expert could look at it, however

  491. mnw says:

    Flake? petulant? Surely you jest. /s

  492. Tina says:

    Allred is being investigated by the state bar here in ca. She could face disbarment.

    Kathy lee or whatever her name, the one with the awful geadnif trump, even called her out.

    Imagine loon vs loon.

  493. DW says:

    Drudge is trying to compete with our wordsmith, Walt.

    Yesterday: Charlie Rose, then Fell
    Today: The bloom is off the Rose

  494. mnw says:

    Tina

    I agree. I think Allred’s involvement MIGHT be the tipping point, i.e., when conservative voters started to say to themselves, “Wait a minute! This looks like it’s more about promoting leftism than sex harassment. Why the hell are Allred & the WaPo so gd concerned about our Senate race?”

    I did say “might.” I still think Moore has less than a 50% chance.

  495. JC says:

    mnw says:
    November 22, 2017 at 7:30 am

    2 items:

    1) Hat Thief has been charged with misdemeanor grand theft.

    2) Murkowski has made some yes-sounding noises about tax reform, fwiw.
    ——————

    Yeah but does it matter? I just assume that the wonder duo from AZ are going to vote no. Perhaps Corker too.

    These three have nothing to lose and are all extremely petty.

    And who knows with Collins.

  496. mnw says:

    Oops. Murkowski still probably a no. Because… she CAN!

  497. Todd McCain says:

    Well, I also find it ironic that they wont release the year book.

    Moore is saying it is fraudulent and they wont release it.

  498. JC says:

    @Tina

    The yearbook probably ended up hlping Moore. As for everything else, it’s a ‘he said, she said’ thing and will never be proven one way or another.

  499. Tina says:

    Not to mention that moores opponent is against the wall and does not believe in border enforcement.

  500. Tina says:

    Ithe accusers famiky also came out and she was lying too.

    The yearbook should have been put out for analysis. You can tell that allred knows it is fake.

  501. Tina says:

    I think the congress needs to release the details about the settlements.

  502. Tina says:

    And hopefully ryan is not involved, directly or indirectly, in this issue.

  503. JC says:

    Todd McCain says:
    November 22, 2017 at 7:33 am

    ANWR drilling is part of the Senate Bill; a major boon to Murkowski.

    McCain is also leaning YES. Ron Johnson came around as well.

    Looks like they have it to me unless Flake or Corker want to me petulant.
    ————–

    Unless Lindsey managed to guilt trip (or black mail) his best buddy into voting yes, McCain is a definite no. Bank on it.

    I will eat crow if McCain comes around. But the man is petty, jealous, and has nothing to lose. He hates that Trump, a man he despises, managed to accomplish his life long dream. He’s not going to give him a win – especially on a signature, once in a lifetime opportunity like tax cuts.

    Again I will eat crow if he does.

  504. JC says:

    mnw says:
    November 22, 2017 at 7:37 am

    IMO, McCain will vote no, unless his vote is completely meaningless because the bill will pass with or without him. THEN he’ll vote yes.

    McCain is a dying demented little jerk whose only remaining goal in life is to revenge himself on the world, for failing to acknowledge that he is our rightful God King.
    ——————-

    Yep.

  505. Todd McCain says:

    Maybe he will, but all of his comments thus far have been positive about the tax proposal and he praised Hatch for allowing regular order.

  506. Todd McCain says:

    I worry more about Flake than McCain on this one.

  507. MichiganGuy says:

    “Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, writes that she backs the Republican effort to repeal ObamaCare’s individual mandate, a position that might offer her party hope when it comes to the tax plan vote.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/22/alaskas-murkowski-says-backs-repeal-obamacare-individual-mandate.amp.html

  508. MichiganGuy says:

    “The NFL is now thinking about a new idea – keeping teams in the Locker Room during the National Anthem next season,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “That’s almost as bad as kneeling! When will the highly paid Commissioner finally get tough and smart? This issue is killing your league!”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/361491-trump-nfl-players-staying-in-locker-room-for-anthem-almost-as-bad-as
    ————————————-
    I hope the NFL goes bankrupt. They are pathetic.

  509. Bitterlaw says:

    I think that the tax plan is good for companies and sucks for many of the middle class and upper middle class. Removing the deduction for property taxes and state and local taxes will hurt a lot of people if those provisions remain in the final bill.

    Might as well pass it anyway.

  510. Bitterlaw says:

    I could not care less what the players do. If the Eagles win the Super Bowl (I said IF and do not expect it), the players can kneel on the floats all the way down Broad Street.

  511. MichiganGuy says:

    BL, that is because you’re a closet liberal who hates America.

  512. jason says:

    He hates that Trump, a man he despises,”

    I guess that means you agree maybe Trump should not have attacked the honor and service record of someone who was shot down, tortured and maimed and spend years in a hell hole prison as a POW.

  513. jason says:

    BL, that is because you’re a closet liberal who hates America.”

    I guess I am about 5 minutes late to grab a sh-tload of points.

    Bitter is one lucky bastard.

  514. jason says:

    I think that the tax plan is good for companies and sucks for many of the middle class and upper middle class. Removing the deduction for property taxes and state and local taxes will hurt a lot of people if those provisions remain in the final bill.”

    I don’t agree. The state and local tax deductions have never made any significant impact on my taxes. And the reduction in the rates could offset the property tax deduction benefit.

    And “good for companies” means its good for the middle class too, companies are owned by shareholders.

  515. Phil says:

    ‘’McCain is a dying demented jerk”

    Yep. Sorry about his health issues and don’t wish death on anyone. That said, he always was a petty jerk.

  516. Todd McCain says:

    You aren’t just losing the SALT but also the personal exemption of 4000 per person.

    I do agree that the tax reform could have the unintended consequence of hurting some upper middle class folks.

    Losing both opens up possibly between 10-15K more for these families to taxation.

  517. jason says:

    If the players stay in the locker room I will stop watching entirely. I will just lose interest and find something else to do on Sunday afternoon and Monday nights. Nothing is forever, I didn’t have football in my youth and survived, so I can do it again.

    I am not going to become an anti-NFL crusader and not joining any movement. It’s just that I have no interest in watching a game where the players don’t want to respect their country’s flag and anthem.

  518. Phil says:

    I’m confused. If they are doubling the standard deduction most people won’t even have enough in property taxes to itemize. Our property taxes hit about 5K per year. Of course, we have no state income tax to deduct here in Texas.

  519. jason says:

    I didn’t realize the personal exemptions would be gone.

    That will hurt.

  520. Phil says:

    538.

    Agree. Of course, i’m Already living without the NFL just fine right now.

  521. Todd McCain says:

    Lowering the overall rates aren’t going to be enough with losing both SALT and personal exemptions.

    At least the House Bill keeps some SALT deduction up to 10k.

  522. Phil says:

    Also did not realize personal exemption would go away.

  523. NYCmike says:

    “You aren’t just losing the SALT but also the personal exemption of 4000 per person.”

    -I need to look at my taxes again…..all of the speculative information is confusing.

  524. NYCmike says:

    One thing I do NOT like about the bill….lot of moving parts.

    Why not just reduce rates across the board, for individuals and corporations? Make the Democrats take a tough vote, as well as those petulant Republicans.

  525. Todd McCain says:

    If they adopt the House SALT plan for 10K, I am fine with it.

  526. jason says:

    ’McCain is a dying demented jerk”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAMRXqQXemU

  527. lisab says:

    Removing the deduction for property taxes and state and local taxes will hurt a lot of people if those provisions remain in the final bill.”

    I don’t agree. The state and local tax deductions have never made any significant impact on my taxes.
    ————————————————-

    in ny property taxes can be VERY significant

    it is possible to own $150k house and pay $10k in property taxes!

    in massachusetts you can have a $500k house and pay $6k in taxes

  528. Todd McCain says:

    It is definitely a significant issue in high tax states like CA, NY or CT.

    PA is neither low nor high, but it is still significant enough.

  529. DW says:

    I know of a liberal — I mean a hard left liberal who stands holding signs and writes letters to editors and so forth–a true believer. And this person lived in NJ where the property tax is outrageous. Just retired, but had to sell the property and move to PA and buy a house there for retirement in order to afford the tax. Lost to them is the connection between their votes for liberals and the high taxes.

  530. jason says:

    I don’t agree. The state and local tax deductions have never made any significant impact on my taxes.
    ————————————————-

    in ny property taxes can be VERY significant”

    Huh, state and local tax deductions are one thing, property taxes another.

  531. mnw says:

    Tina

    Jones isn’t against the wall exactly, it’s just that it’s “too expensive,” see?

    And that report about Jones once saying that he favored abortion until the head comes out of the womb? His words were “misconstrued.”

  532. jason says:

    If they adopt the House SALT plan for 10K, I am fine with it.”

    Me too, since I only get $8k in deductions now. ?

  533. jason says:

    Again I will eat crow if he does.”

    I will send you some scrapple to wash it down with, not to worry.

  534. mnw says:

    I’ve read that over 75% of the tax benefits of the SALT deduction go to the top 5% of filers.

    This is not a major concern to me personally, but… why subsidize high tax states for the benefit of the very wealthy (primarily)?

  535. Waingro says:

    “One thing I do NOT like about the bill….lot of moving parts.

    Why not just reduce rates across the board, for individuals and corporations? Make the Democrats take a tough vote, as well as those petulant Republicans.”

    Because that would make too much sense, Mike.

  536. NYCmike says:

    “This is not a major concern to me personally, but… why subsidize high tax states for the benefit of the very wealthy (primarily)?”

    -mnw,

    Being from NY, I get to deduct SALT. BUT, I believe a standard deduction increase will compensate for that, at my salary level.

    SO, I am on the fence on this…as I hope to make more money in the future, which may then be harmed by this…..

  537. Waingro says:

    #555, agreed, mnw. I live in one of those “high state tax blue states” — Massachusetts — and I’m all for getting rid of SALT all together as in the Senate plan.

    If anything, maybe this will force some of these local blue state politicians to think of different ways to fund government, instead of using the crutch of federal tax payers as a cloak for massively high taxes.

    It’s either that or residents and businesses continue to flee to other more taxpayer friendly states.

  538. NYCmike says:

    “Because that would make too much sense, Mike.”

    -It also limits the amount of donation$ from K-Street firms.

  539. Todd McCain says:

    The standard deduction will be 12K.

    My personal exemption is 4k and Salt/Property Taxes are 12K.

    So I would be on the losing end of this one since my itemization is bigger.

    Now, my federal rate would go lower, so maybe it would work out.

  540. Cash Cow TM says:

    After spending all night researching it, Cash Cow Investigations, Inc. had concluded that the big BOOMS heard in various parts of the world recently are space echos of collisions of various bodies (and UFOs) in out space.

    That is all..let’s all move on…

  541. DW says:

    561 – good catch…two more today added to the list:

    Harvey Weinstein – film producer
    George H. W. Bush – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – film actor
    Bill Clinton – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken – entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush – Journalist
    John Conyers – US congressman
    Oliver Stone – film producer, director
    John Lasseter – film director, animator
    Dan Schoen – State senator, MN
    Tony Cornish – State representative, MN

  542. Waingro says:

    Economist/Yougov has the generic ballot at D+9 today.

  543. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    From Jack Posobiec:

    Hearing reports that Richard Burr is one of the sexual harassment settlements…Developing

  544. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #565 & %66
    Waingro- you know better than this. The YouGov Poll is D +12 in Party Identification. Ridiculous!

  545. Waingro says:

    #566, uh oh.

    Well, upon reading this, I immediately went to the link here: http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vacancies-in-the-united-states-senate.aspx#Foot1

    The good news is in NC, teh governor must appoint a Senator of the leaving Senator’s party.

    The bad news is, if Burr resigns in time before the 2018 middterms, that means a Special Election would occur next November, and I could easily the Dems in a wavish year flipping this.

  546. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #569
    I live in No. Carolina and agree with your assessment.

  547. Waingro says:

    #567, not sure where you got that PID from. I’m seeing D+9, which is of course still pretty high, but could be in realm of possibilities if we are looking at a blue wavish midterm. I agree D+12 would be absurd.

  548. jason says:

    Burr won’t resign anymore than Franken will.

  549. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #571- Waingro
    Go to the results to Question 122 in the below link. The PID is D-43% and R-31%.

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/8bagalcfdp/econToplines.pdf

  550. jason says:

    The standard deduction will be 12K. ”

    You mean the maximum deduction that you can take on personal exemptions?

    So someone with 5 dependents could not deduct 20k for them but someone with 3 dependents would get 12k?

  551. jason says:

    Or everyone gets 12k personal deductions and if you have 5 dependents you get $60k?

    I could adopt some of Amos’ grandchildren

  552. Waingro says:

    #572, interesting, but how do you square that with the more general PID results in Question #121 of D+9?

    The only thing I can think of is when further pressed, many self-described “Republicans” describe themselves as “independents” in terms of their ideology. NeverTrumpers etc.

  553. jason says:

    Rand Paul can’t take a breath without pain supposedly.

    I suggest he resign so he can fully recuperate and spend more time with his family.

    Just trying to be helpful.

  554. jason says:

    Walt is lucky his statute of limitations expired midway through the Jurassic.

  555. jason says:

    YouGov is really polling people on whether North Korea is a ally or enemy?

  556. jason says:

    Several women have accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault. Do you think he did it or not.

    Definitely did it 38%
    Probably did it 36%
    Probably did not do it 7%
    Definitely did not do it 2%
    Don’t know 17%

    So 74% of the population think Clinton is guilty of assault.

    And a majority think he should have resigned and a majority think the Rs were right to impeach him.

    As for Trump, the question is “did he make unwanted advances”, a totally different question.

    Even then Definitely did and probably did only total 65%.

    As for Moore 45% think he should drop out, 21% think he should not, and 31% are not sure. Only 30% of Rs and 42% of Indies think he should drop out.

    Those are national numbers, so they are probably more favorable to him in AL.

  557. Redmen4ever says:

    People think tax reform is a tax cut. It is mostly simplification. The increased zero bracket and lower rates are mostly off-set by eliminating or restricting exemptions, deductions, exclusions, credits, etc. Even if your federal income tax bill increases by a few hundred dollars, this is off-set by savings on record-keeping and tax preparation. Not only do you save, but so does the IRS saves in administration and increased compliance.

    According to the Simpson-Bowles Commission (boy am I going back in time), revenue-neutral and incidence-neutral (not moving around the tax burden by income class) tax simplification was a no-brainer. It was the biggest deficit-reducer in their package of reforms, and this was without any supply-side response. I think Boehner got an o.k. from Obama to include this is a budget deal, but political operatives from the Democratic Party said no, we need the class warfare issue.

    Regarding SALT: most people who will actually be hurt by eliminating SALT are hit by the AMT. If you don’t know what I just said, you’re probably not going to be impacted. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, you know this gets complicated very fast.

    BTW all you Trumpsters and Never-Trumps: The bill Ryan got through the House is basically a re-working of the bill proposed by G.W. Bush during his second administration. I suppose that makes some on both sides of the Republican caucus question their position.

  558. NYCmike says:

    “I suppose that makes some on both sides of the Republican caucus question their position.”

    -HEH!

  559. Redmen4ever says:

    Whether North Korea is an enemy: significantly lower percentages say NK isn’t an enemy among: women, millennials, minorities, moderates, independents, lower income, not registered and Hillary voters.

  560. mnw says:

    Peggy Noonan now imploring “Alabama women” to vote against Moore.

    Next to McCain himself, Noonan has got to be the left’s #1 favorite “conservative Republican.”

  561. Todd McCain says:

    Every person just for breathing gets a 4000 USD personal exemption. The standard deduction is 6000 now and that is included in that.

    Standard is going up to 12,000, but I itemize a lot more than 12,000, so it is moot.

  562. Todd McCain says:

    Point is, this tax reform when all said and done might simplify things, but it takes away deductions that are very important to many middle class tax payers.

  563. GPO says:

    REDMEN check 378 if you didn’t see

  564. jason says:

    Pretty good summary Redmen, thanks.

  565. jason says:

    Noonan has got to be the left’s #1 favorite “conservative Republican.”

    Nah, that is probably David Brooks.

  566. jason says:

    She maybe rounds off the top 5.

    She goes the way the wind is blowing, always.

    She was certainly shocked and awed by Obama.

  567. Waingro says:

    #580, great post Redmen.

  568. jason says:

    Of course, if you can find a Republican in AL who cares what Peggy Noonan says, you should play the lottery.

  569. Waingro says:

    “Regarding SALT: most people who will actually be hurt by eliminating SALT are hit by the AMT. If you don’t know what I just said, you’re probably not going to be impacted.”

    Exactly. And guess what many if not most of those people will do if their respective state and local governments do not institute any supplemental tax reform in response: get out of Dodge.

  570. DW says:

    Looks like accusers are now taking a break for the holiday. No new names since this morning:

    Harvey Weinstein – film producer
    George H. W. Bush – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – film actor
    Bill Clinton – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken – entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush – Journalist
    John Conyers – US congressman
    Oliver Stone – film producer, director
    John Lasseter – film director, animator
    Dan Schoen – State senator, MN
    Tony Cornish – State representative, MN

  571. DW says:

    Another one to add, charges are over a year old, but today Larry Nassar pled guilty.

    Harvey Weinstein – film producer
    George H. W. Bush – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – film actor
    Bill Clinton – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken – entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush – Journalist
    John Conyers – US congressman
    Oliver Stone – film producer, director
    John Lasseter – film director, animator
    Dan Schoen – State senator, MN
    Tony Cornish – State representative, MN
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor

  572. NYCmike says:

    That Nassar guy should be sent to North Korea.

  573. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #595- DW Would you like to add Joe Barton(R-TX) to your list?!

    http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/22/texas-congressman-joe-barton-nude-sexting-twitter/

  574. NYCmike says:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/11/22/democrat-congressman-bob-brady-accused-of-rigging-pennsylvania-election/

    -He won with 85% in 2012, so I guess the primary was the correct election to rig, if true.

  575. NYCmike says:

    DC……sucks!

  576. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    It appears that Mike Cernovich,the investigative reporter on the Conyers accusations, is now lining up Ed Royce(R-CA) for some naughty disclosure. Here is his tweet:

    Hi @RepEdRoyce!

    Are you going to tell people what you did, or should I?

  577. Paul says:

    Joe Barton = Youthful indiscretions 🙂

  578. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Here is a poll that shows Roy Moore +7 in the Alabama Senate race.Has anyone heard of this polling company who conducted the poll on 11/21/2017?

    https://altoday.com/archives/19835-exclusive-roy-moore-rebounds-in-polls-as-accusations-are-discredited

  579. mnw says:

    Sheeple

    New one, I think. It’s RVs, I note.

  580. Paul says:

    Why any man in their 60s would deliberately be naked anywhere in proximity to a camera just plain confuses me.

  581. DW says:

    Harvey Weinstein – film producer
    George H. W. Bush – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – film actor
    Bill Clinton – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken – entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush – Journalist
    John Conyers – US congressman
    Oliver Stone – film producer, director
    John Lasseter – film director, animator
    Dan Schoen – State senator, MN
    Tony Cornish – State representative, MN
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Joe Barton – US congressman

  582. mnw says:

    DON’T LOOK AT THAT NUDE PHOTO OF BARTON!

    You won’t be able to UN-see it.

  583. Paul says:

    Ex-Alabama police officer says she was told to keep Roy Moore away from high school cheerleaders

    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/11/22/ex-alabama-police-officer-says-she-was-told-to-keep-roy-moore-away-from-high-school-cheerleaders

  584. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #610
    Look at the hair on that police woman!
    This is an MSNBC report.

  585. JC says:

    Paul says:
    November 22, 2017 at 3:13 pm

    Ex-Alabama police officer says she was told to keep Roy Moore away from high school cheerleaders

    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/11/22/ex-alabama-police-officer-says-she-was-told-to-keep-roy-moore-away-from-high-school-cheerleaders
    —————————————

    Read the story. Is this person credible? As in, can her claim be corroborated in any way? Should be pretty easy. Contact the PD and ask around. I mean, if these ‘rumors’ were so prevalent that cops supposedly kept tabs on him, I’m pretty sure this thing would be easy to verify.

    And yet, nothing. Just accusations.

    The claim that he was suspended from the mall has already been discredited. And how would she know anyway? She offers no proof of her claims. No names to refer to. Nothing. But she certainly did repeat every single leftist talking point to the tee as if she were coached or something.

    What’s the standard for this stuff? Can anyone who makes an accusation be put on television even if their story is not credible? Shouldn’t the media corroborate these claims before airing them? If they can’t, then they shouldn’t run with it until they can.

    We don’t have news in this country anymore. It’s all morphed into soviet style propaganda.

  586. NYCmike says:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/22/politics/sebelius-clinton-white-house-behavior/index.html

    -I hope Republicans are making lists of the people coming out NOW against the Clintons, and then cross-referencing any statements made in defense of them when they had power.

  587. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Here is a new poll on the Alabama Senate race showing Roy Moore +6—43/37. I have never heard of the polling company.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/22/exclusive-another-alabama-poll-roy-moore-leads-democrat-jones-six-points/

  588. Redmen4ever says:

    Perhaps we’re seeing the same thing in Alabama that we saw in Virginia: Republican-friendly polling companies releasing what normally are internals.

  589. mnw says:

    I believe that some time next eeek, McConnell will announce he’s temporarily postponing the vote on tax reform. I just can’t figure out how he will have enough yes votes.

    There’s a good summary of the state of the Senate votes at NRO The Corner right now,

  590. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    608. “DON’T LOOK AT THAT NUDE PHOTO OF BARTON! You won’t be able to UN-see it.”

    Thank you for the warning. Have to say this is probably one the top five unnecessary warnings I have had in my life.

  591. MichiganGuy says:

    Two More Women Accuse Sen. Al Franken Of Inappropriate Touching

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/al-franken-two-more-women-groping_us_5a15a455e4b09650540ec295
    ———————————————————————————-
    Republican establishment still silent but, condemn Roy Moore. Wow.

  592. MichiganGuy says:

    Wes says:
    November 22, 2017 at 4:03 pm
    Only Roy Moore could ensure Doug Jones could run this:
    ————————————————————————————
    Wes doesn’t know Ivanka is a liberal democrat. LOL

  593. Phil says:

    Al Franken. Call your office.

  594. Tina says:

    So, how many new polls of al out today?

  595. Bitterlaw says:

    MG thinks I’m a closet liberal who hates America?

    Jason – I think you can stop counting points for the holiday season. You won’t top that.

  596. jason says:

    You only picked on that now?

    I gave you all the points this morning…

  597. MichiganGuy says:

    BL, where have you been all day. Hiding from your boss? LOL

  598. MichiganGuy says:

    If you are an American taxpayer, you’ve just been robbed. Again. And the theft was carried out by people you trusted, and that makes it hurt worse.

    No gun was involved, so no new gun law will stop these crimes. You probably didn’t realize you had been robbed because it was done behind your back, in the dark, and in places so secret that you aren’t allowed in. That place is Washington, and the thieves are officials who were either elected by you or employed to serve you.

    Lois Lerner and her co-conspirators ran a division of a criminal enterprise known as the IRS. They used their public positions to bully, harass, intimidate, criminalize and bankrupt innocent citizens who held political views that the government decided should be censored. Think about that for a moment. This is NOT about a private company like Google, Twitter or Facebook picking out views they hate (like pro-life or traditional marriage views, which will often cause the Big Brother Religious Police to shut down users). That is shameful, bigoted and a form of hate, but it’s not illegal nor is it censorship, because people voluntarily do business with private companies – even monopolistic, overgrown, narrow-minded ones.

    When a powerful arm of the federal government uses its almost unlimited power and budget to target an enemy and shut down that citizen’s First Amendment right of free speech or freedom of religion or association, it IS censorship, but it’s much more. It’s jack-booted bureaucrats run amok and it’s an abuse of power far more frightening than anything Richard Nixon ever did or was accused of. Even Nixon was ultimately held accountable, resigned in disgrace and, notwithstanding a pardon by his successor, may have been prosecuted for obstruction of justice and abuse of power. Lois Lerner and Associates joked about the stonewalling of IRS applications from groups they hated, then clammed up and claimed the Fifth Amendment before Congress, which had every right to demand an explanation of why government goons figuratively “broke the legs” of groups who were conservative, Christian, pro-life, pro-marriage or pro-Israel. The recent settlement of $3.5 million in a class-action suit filed by Tea Party groups due to the IRS’s bullying activities wasn’t paid out of Lois Lerner’s ample retirement fund that the taxpayers provide. You paid it. I paid it. And I’m seething over it!

    Members of both the House and Senate have copped to having harassed, abused, and assaulted junior federal employees. A slush fund of over $15 million was secretly created by Congress to paint over actions that ranged from disgusting to criminal. You and I paid for this fund with our not-so voluntary taxes, but none of the pervs, creeps or predators have been named, nor have the details of their lurid actions been revealed. Some of them are most likely still in Congress, strutting in the halls of marble we provide for them and being treated like princes among the paupers. Yet, who pays the piper for their misdeeds? They don’t pay a dime. They grope their victims and ask you to pay for it. It’s the equivalent of getting a speeding ticket and asking a pedestrian to pay for it.

    I’ve long advocated that we enact what’s known as “The Fair Tax,” developed by some of our nation’s leading economists, which would replace the current penalty on our productivity (income, investments, inheritance, etc.) and would collect tax on our consumption. The Fair Tax is NOT a VAT (value added tax) and a lot of misinformation and outright falsehoods been attributed to it because it would be a transformational approach to revenue collection that would actually empower the poorest third of our population the most, and bring real “fair share” to the tax code.

    It should be embraced by Democrats for its “fairness,” and by Republicans for its pro-growth dynamics, but the reason it’s a hard sell is because it would eliminate the IRS and all 77,000 pages of the tax code. Most of all, it would eliminate the Lois Lerners of the world, who used her government perch and paycheck to destroy the “little people” she despised. It was also eliminate the writing of the tax code to create winners and losers by favoring some and punishing others with tax laws, and the unelected parasites who administer it according to their own political persuasions. Lois Lerner and her deputy, Holly Paz, have asked that their sworn depositions be sealed in perpetuity because they are afraid what the taxpayers would do to them if their testimony were made public. I’m pretty sure that every criminal in America would love to have the details of their crimes sealed from public view for eternity, but only God can forgive sin and wipe it clean – and that only happens when we confess, repent and accept the consequences. I knew that Lerner, Paz, et. al. were arrogant, but demanding that the public actions they took to humiliate and destroy others, which were paid for by public funds, be kept private is just too much.

    If there are legitimate threats to their safety, tell the police. That’s what the rest of us do who live in public careers and have people threaten us. But if that’s not good enough for Ms. Lerner and Ms. Paz, I would like to suggest that, since they are accustomed to living off the taxpayers, we should provide a safe place for them in a taxpayer-funded facility. It’s called a federal penitentiary.

    http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/361562-lets-give-lois-lerner-a-taxpayer-funded-home-where-shes-safe?amp
    ——————————————

    He would of made a great President.

  599. Diamond Jim says:

    Happy Thanksgiving Cash Cow.

  600. MichiganGuy says:

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Have a great day.

  601. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Have a Happy and Gluttonous Thanksgiving y’all!!!

  602. mnw says:

    Kurt Schlichter: “7 Things Conservatives Should Be Thankful For” at Townhall & also linked at Lucianne.

  603. Wes says:

    Apparently Roy Moore’s supporters are as much jackasses as he is:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JonahNRO/status/930982751410556928

    It’s a joke based on their hero’s own words, so naturally they can’t take it.

    Shame on the ALGOP for nominating this creep.

    Yes, I’ve done a 180° turn, but an increasing number of allegationd made that inevitable. Moore has gone 100% Clintonian in defending himself, which only makes him look more guilty to me.

    He was always the worst candidate the ALGOP had available. Now that’s just magnified. If Moore wins, the Senate needs to conduct a blanket expulsion of him, Franken, and Menendez the next day.

  604. Wes says:

    She’s lying! Only Roy Moore is honest in Alabama:

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/11/22/ex-alabama-cop-had-to-watch-roy-moore-in-case-he-harassed-cheerleaders-at-ball-games-in-the-80s/23285530/

    So-called “grass roots Republicans”–putting the statements of creepy ephebophiles ahead of law enforcement since 2017.

  605. JC says:

    Something’s not right with you Wes.

  606. JC says:

    Wes, as I previously stated, something like that would be extremely easy to verify.

    And yet…

    Just accusations.

    It was people like you who burned ‘witches’ to the stake.

  607. Wes says:

    We had the same thing against Bill Clinton 20 years ago, JC. I’m absolutely certain you think all Clintons’ accusers were lying while the then-President was being 100% forthright and honest.

    I was never a Roy Moore fan, but I did defend him sgainst the initial accusation. Then we got several more. Then Moore descended into Clintonian victim blaming. No longer can I in good conscience defend the man. He is a liability who because of at best poor judgment has seriously endangered a critical Senate seat. He’s not worth defending.

  608. mnw says:

    Wes

    I come at the AL situation from a different perspective— a different starting point.

    It outrages me that the leftist auxiliaries who are promoting all this — WaPo & Allred— don’t give 2 flying pfugs about what Moore did 40 years ago! What they want is to steal a red state senator & thereby take a giant step toward destroying Trump’s presidency.

    THAT’S the heart of this mess. WaPo sent an investigative reporter down there to see if there was some way to destroy Moore, for whom the left has a special hate hotter than a thousand burning suns. (I don’t care for him much myself, too much like Rand Paul for me, but the left…! Wow.)

    It is self-evident, at least to me, that if this same situation had arisen regarding a similarly-situated left wing champion (say Sinesma in AZ), it would never have been publicized— 40 years ago; impossible to prove or disprove at this remove, etc.

    So, I feel like I’m being played here. That somebody thinks that I & the AL voters are too dumb to realize what this is REALLY about— grabbing a liberal red state senator from an unexpected place.

    During the 2016 election, my DEM friends (I have some) implored me, “You don’t have to vote for Hillary! I’m not asking you to do THAT! Just don’t vote for Trump, OK? That’s all I’m asking.”

    Uh-huh.

    “Just don’t vote for Moore! That’s all the WaPo & Allred are asking.”

  609. Wes says:

    I 100% agree that’s exactly what this is about, Mnw. That was obvious from the beginning.

    The thing is that Roy Moore was from day one the weakest candidate the ALGOP could put up for this seat. In 2012, with no known scandals brewing and literally every other Republican running statewide in AL getting 60+% of the vote, Moore win by a 51.8-48.2 margin.

    He rarely went about 51% in polls before this because people just don’t like him.

    Many of these allegations have a much longer history than I thought though. I saw a quote from 2002 wherein a state official said other officials would not discuss Roy’s scandals on the record because of his powerful position as Chief Justice.

    Yes, the Left wants to make Doug Jones their Scott Brown. The problem is that Moore gave them the ammunition to do it. As such, while I started off defending him, I can’t do it anymore.

  610. Wes says:

    Above, not about.

  611. Paul says:

    mnw
    And why is that a problem?

  612. Cash Cow TM says:

    May you eat the gobble gobble
    ’til you’re full and wobble wobble.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL YOU HHR GOOSES!

  613. Cash Cow TM says:

    Diamond Jim,

    Thank you.
    May you have a wonderful Thanksgiving as well.

  614. mnw says:

    May I see the hands, please, of all the posters here who believe the women accusing Moore came forward spontaneously, unassisted by those with a political motive?

    That after 40 years, SOMETHING— a still small voice within— suddenly caused them to call out for justice? And the fact that after 40 years of silence, they happened to come forward during the heat of a general election, when Moore had already been nominated & couldn’t be easily replaced… that that’s all just a coinkydink?

    Hands, please?

    As for the charges themselves, I think Moore hit on high school girls when he was in his 30s, which is abnormal. I also think Allred’s client, who made the rape charge, is more than likely lying— there is a lot of circumstantial evidence to support that theory about Allred’s client.

  615. mnw says:

    And I forgot, Happy Thanksgiving to you all.

  616. Cash Cow TM says:

    Missing Argentine submarine…

    Nuclear cloud drifting over Europe…

    quake swarm in CA…

    So many mysteries to solve!
    *******************************
    There will be no rest on Thanksgiving for Cash Cow!

  617. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    MNW is a retard but he does accurately represent the views of the deadender, mouthbreather republicans.

    It’s the only reason Moore will have a chance. All the republican men will go for him and only a few republican women will bail. To be a conservative nowadays is to be an enabler for Paedophiles and Prevaricators.

    Group of Paedophiles. Makes for a great campaign ad.

  618. Wes says:

    TIPW must not be aware of the name BOB MENENDEZ. Democrats have been doing everything in their power for years now to keep this corrupt pedophile and prevaricator in office so Chris Christie can’t appoint a replacement.

    Projection much, TIPW?

  619. mnw says:

    It’s simpleminded to think that men voters and women voters will necessarily perceive (alleged) women sex abuse victims differently.

    In my experience, women jurors are usually more skeptical of women witnesses than male jurors.

  620. Diamond Jim says:

    DCL