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Happy Thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours….

Posted by Dave at 2:58 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (622)

622 Responses to “Happy Thanksgiving”

  1. BayernFan says:

    first

  2. Big Joe says:

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone !

    Big Joe

  3. Bitterlaw says:

    Happy Thanksgiving. I am thankful that my wife did not run off with Bruce Springsteen after the show. However, he did now a kiss to her when he was leaving the theater.

  4. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  5. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The State’s with the highest GDP growth for 2017, from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis:

    North Dakota 8.3%
    Wyoming 7.6%
    Texas 6.2%
    Oklahoma 5.5%
    Michigan 5.5%
    Alaska 4.8%
    West Virginia 4.1%

    All these states are major energy producers, except Michigan.

    By contrast South Dakota declined by 0.3%; Iowa by 0.7%; New York grew by only 1.2%; California, despite all the high tech hype, only by 2.1%. The growth of the energy industry has been a major factor in U.S. economic growth for the last decade, and the Democrats want destroy it.

  6. Cash Cow TM says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to Mr. Wizard (Dave W.)

    I am thankful for a new thread…..finally.

  7. Paul says:

    Flynn and Trump break up. We’ll wait for Tina to explain why this is good news for Trump 🙂

  8. Tina says:

    Yup, and flynn had a plan to kidnap a turkish dissident.

  9. Paul says:

    It’s just a question of time before Flynn spills the beans on the Clinton international crime and baby parts syndicate. 🙂

  10. DW says:

    One update to list today:

    Harvey Weinstein – film producer
    George H. W. Bush – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – film actor
    Bill Clinton – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken – entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush – Journalist
    John Conyers – US congressman
    Oliver Stone – film producer, director
    John Lasseter – film director, animator
    Dan Schoen – State senator, MN
    Tony Cornish – State representative, MN
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Joe Barton – US congressman
    Mascot – LA Kings

  11. Cash Cow TM says:

    “turkish dissident”

    hidden skirt suits
    dish turd ski tines
    turd dish ski stein
    I shirk student’s ID
    It shrink’s diet dust
    shrink its dust diet
    strides in HUD skit
    tides hint Rus disk
    USSR thin diet disk
    kiss turd dish nite
    I hid desist trunks
    stud hid kin sister
    stud “H” in kid sister

  12. Cash Cow TM says:

    I shrink stud’s diet?

  13. Cash Cow TM says:

    Hello?…

    Is this thing working?

    Over.

  14. mnw says:

    Little slow, Cow.

  15. DW says:

    Huffington Post reports two more Franken accusers. Media and politicians remain largely silent about it. He gets a pass.

  16. Diamond Jim says:

    XVI

  17. Tgca says:

    XVI = age of consent in most places

  18. Tgca says:

    Drudge has witty headline for all you holiday shoppers

    SEASON’S BEATINGS

  19. Tina says:

    Where is the gope on franken.

    Cruise ship?

  20. jason says:

    Huffington Post reports two more Franken accusers. Media and politicians remain largely silent about it. He gets a pass.”

    And Roy Moore says thank you.

  21. Tgca says:

    I saw Murder on the Orient Express yesterday. Though it had some nice scenery and a few decent moments, it does not compare to the 70s release IMHO.

    So I leave the theater on the way home to a festive vegetarian TG dinner that the dogs are anxiously awaiting, and lo and behold an unexpected afternoon torrential downpour here in south Florida…and there, to my surprise, a line of folks waiting outside Target in a fenced in line. Really? 3PM on TG day and people are waiting outside Target in the pouring rain?

  22. jason says:

    Am not sure Joe Barton fits on the list.

    I don’t believe he was accused of any harassment or abuse, someone posted a picture of him naked, which could even be criminal.

  23. Tgca says:

    Jason, I saw on Dridge yesterday that two more women “fingered” Al. I wonder how his TG is going.

  24. jason says:

    “festive vegetarian”

    Good oxymoron.

  25. Tgca says:

    Well, some of us have come to our senses a lil later in life. I haven’t had any animal flesh in a year and not missing it either though I do eat eggs. I still have pork guilt, all that bacon I ate over the years. Please forgive me God.

  26. jason says:

    We had vegetables too, with bacon of course.

  27. janz says:

    I am no fan of materialism replacing gratitude for family, good friends, “freedom of choice/opinion” that I highly honor on Thanksgiving day.

  28. jason says:

    I am sorry you have decided to deprive yourself of good food. Believe me, its not worth it. Go out and get yourself a 24 oz bone in rib eye steak and stop the foolishness. Your soul and body will thank you for it.

  29. Tgca says:

    I gave up pork a few years back after watching a show on pet pigs. These pigs were trained like dogs and performed various tricks and fetched items on demand. I could never eat pork after that.

  30. jason says:

    As a rabid capitalist I think Black Friday is a fabulous display of the materialism that we should all be very thankful for.

  31. jason says:

    I think lambs are really cute.

    And lamb chops are delicious.

    Both can be true.

  32. mnw says:

    Tina

    I want Franken to stay. Dayton would appoint somebody just as bad, only not politically toxic. Franken serves as a most excellent inconvenience for the DEMs.

  33. jason says:

    I will eat just about any animal, but I do draw the line at dog (or cat).

    I might have eaten it unknowingly in China however, the mystery meats you get there are not identifiable.

  34. janz says:

    Our dinner was traditional with turkey, cranberry relish, yams, wild rice, mashed potatoes,homemade gravy, sauteed almonds with green beans, biscuits, pies/ice cream. The food was delicious and the people around our table had a good time sharing dinner together. Lots of good memories were created!

  35. jason says:

    Yeah, let Franken stay, you are not going to get anyone better and he foils the Democratic narrative (although of course the MSM has a separate standard for him).

  36. jason says:

    Nice dinner janz. We had turkey, dressing, mashed potatoes, brussel sprouts with slab bacon, asparagus, deviled eggs, apple pie, pumpkin pie, pecan pie, homemade whipped cream, champagne, wine, beer. Yeah, we started out with a pitcher of bloody mary’s and another of mimosas and some appetizers of course.

  37. Tgca says:

    I was never really a big meat eater except for burgers and boneless chicken, probably because we were poor growing up and real meat was a luxury we could not afford. I NEVER would eat anything off the bone (awaiting Bitter commentary) and absolutely never eat fish or anything from the sea (awaiting another Bitter commentary), as I find it repulsive, especially the raw smell and slimy feeling.

    It feels so Neanderthal for folks to chew about bones. So I was pretty much a boneless meat and chicken dude for years. But then the guilt slowly set in so now, other than eating eggs and dairy products, my diet is free of animal flesh.

    Luckily, I’ve always been a veggie lover too. Not a big fruit lover (go for it Bitter) either, except for strawberries, blueberries, and bananas.

  38. Tgca says:

    Brussels sprouts Jason? As a devout Catholic, I challenge my will and test my faith, and give up brussel sprouts for Lent annually.

  39. Wes says:

    We had turkey, ham, and prime rib.

    I do love animals, but I could never be vegetarian.

    Given what I know about the methods employed for raising the animals for slaughter, I absolutely refuse to eat veal, lamb, or foie gras. I find some things simply too barbaric to stomach. Sue me.

  40. Tgca says:

    …and if I still indulged in meat, I would add liver to my Lenten ritual.

  41. mnw says:

    Another one in London.

  42. Wes says:

    I don’t eat bone-in ribeye simply because I want to enjoy the whole thing. Porterhouse is the only bone-in steak I indulge in.

  43. Tina says:

    I saw the nro.

    For every one reg, 16 were cut?

    The regulation cuts and gorsuch are notable achievements.

  44. Wes says:

    Maybe Trump should hype this rather than fighting with everyone on the planet via Twitter, Tina.

    As I have mentioned ad nauseum since seeing the poll, 65% of Americans think the President has no accomplishments.

    Of course when I proposed a time-honored means to rectify this, the Trumpkins immediately offered every excuse not to do it. What a surprise.

  45. Tgca says:

    I slaved over a stove for like 20 minutes and baked mini white potato wedges, carrots, and portobello mushrooms in premium imported extra virgin olive oil with a myriad of spice flavorings from my herbs and spice arsenal. That was followed by 2 organic almond milk ice cream sandwiches while settling down to like 6 hours of Netflix binge watching of Shooter. Of course, dinner was light since I had a mini caprese personal pizza at the AMC Dine-in theater.

    The dogs had fresh mashed potatoes with carrots and freshly crushed vine ripe tomatoes with garlics and herbs. This was their 1st year without turkey but they did not seem to mind, as they get their fair share of eggs and chicken during the week.

  46. Wes says:

    Oh, no! 20 minutes of cooking!

    The horror! The horror!

  47. Tina says:

    Wes, i do not think the tweets involving the basketball dad were presidential.

  48. Tina says:

    You guys are making me hungry. I have had the stomach flu the last few days, so no big turkey meal this year.

  49. Tgca says:

    I never understood the fascination with prime rib. I think it is one of the most disgusting of all the meat dishes. I especially do not like any meats with fat or grizzle.

    When I was a meat sinner, my favs were chateaubriand, filet mignon, or crispy bacon. Other than that or the occasional burger, I wasn’t very interested in meat. Boneless chicken was good, but NEVER fish.

  50. Tgca says:

    Yes Wes.

    Hey that rhymes!

    No bachelor should spend more than 30 minutes preparing any one dish. That’s what wives are for, right?

    Oops! Did I say that. I must be a sexist pig like % of privileged white males according to libs. 🙂

  51. Wes says:

    I’m not sure letting Franken continue as a Senator would hurt the Dems. Ted Kennedy was a Senator for 40 years after Chappaquiddick and 24 years after sexually assaulting a waitress literally on top of Chris Dodd. Dems didn’t suffer electorally and even called Kennedy the “conscience of the Senate.”

    I think McConnell should call for an expulsion vote and make the Dems own voting against his removal.

  52. Wes says:

    I’m a straight male, yet I can spend more time cooking than Tgca.

    Welcome to 2017 America, people!

  53. Wes says:

    I don’t eat fish. Oysters and shrimp are my only choices for seafood. Just the taste of fish makes me nauseated.

  54. Tgca says:

    Uh-oh! According to Drudge link, a civics rights attorney who worked for Conyer, accuses him of inappropriate behavior. Though she doesn’t claim to have been sexually harassed, his behavior towards women was demeaning, and supposedly he showed up at a meeting with her in his underwear. She believes this was about him demonstrating power over women.

    I wanna know:
    1. Did he wear boxers or briefs?
    2. Calvin Klein or Papi?

    There needs to be a Congressional ethics investigation to find these things out.

  55. Tgca says:

    Wes…we agree on the nauseating part, taste or smell of anything from the sea is gross.

    I used to live close to an oyster bar in San Francisco, and tourists would line up outside to go into this small establishment and suck out a few oysters and whatever else they had there. It was so gross.

  56. Wes says:

    Conyers entered the House in 1965. Probably most Hedgehoggers weren’t even born yet when he won his first race. It’s time to send him home, Detroit.

  57. Wes says:

    The next most senior Congressman is Alaska’s Don Young, who at only 44 years in Congress is a comparative piker in terms of seniority.

  58. jason says:

    A rare prime rib on the bone is my favorite, but I love baby back ribs too. And lamb chops. And llama chops.

    And a 16 oz veal chop? Heaven.

  59. jason says:

    I like shellfish, raw oysters and clams. Not a big fan of regular fish either. Lobster? Yes. Shrimp? yes. Octupus? yes. Squid (calamari for the less initated) yes.

  60. Tina says:

    Rs in congress have two tiers of justice re sexual claims.

    If a drat in congress, they are mute.

  61. Tgca says:

    Newsmax article states Franken approval plummets to 36% from 56% last Nov among Minnesotans. 600 sample size with MOE of 4.1%.

    23% REP
    25% DEM
    44% Indy

    Not sure where the other 8% went unless they not responded to approval inquiry.

  62. jason says:

    especially do not like any meats with fat or grizzle.”

    I don’t like grizzle on my meat either. Gristle is ok.

  63. jason says:

    What happened to the rumors that were going to come out against Burr?

    Fizzled?

  64. jason says:

    If a drat in congress, they are mute.”

    That is because Dems are never actually guilty of anything.

    Racist statements? They misspoke. Sexual harassment? Oversight, and they apologized.

    Yesterday I actually heard someone say Franken’s apology was the best he had ever heard, and no, it wasn’t Jon Gruden saying it.

  65. Tgca says:

    That’s it Jason! It’s official. No dinner dates for us.

    Lamb?
    Ribs?
    Prime rib?
    Shell fish?
    Oysters?
    Clams?
    Lobster?
    Shrimp?
    Octopus?
    Squid?

    These are all vile and disgusting to my palate.

  66. Wes says:

    DUI manslaughter?

    It’s all right if Democrsts commit it because the Dems aren’t “moral crusaders.”

    (I actually had a Dem tell me that recently. He immediately backtracked and claimed not to be saying what he clearly said when I called him on it.)

  67. Wes says:

    Shell fish?
    Oysters?
    Clams?

    Don’t these all fall into the same category?

  68. Wes says:

    As for lamb, I’m a firm believer in giving an animal quality of life before putting it on a plate. I wouldn’t want to be tied down in a box my whole life, and I consider it abominable to do that to an animal.

  69. Tgca says:

    Lambs are waaaaay to cute to eat. Mind as well eat puppies.

  70. Tina says:

    GRassley nixes blue slips.

  71. Mr.Vito says:

    DW’s list is missing a lot of people…

    Most notably

    Mark Halperin
    Kevin Spacey
    Louis C.K.
    Jeffrey Tambor
    James Toback
    Brett Ratner
    The NPR guy
    The CW producer

  72. janz says:

    #37. Jason, ah champagne….a man after my own heart! I love drinking that during celebrations and holidays! Your dinner sounded wonderfully festive.

  73. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie
    Maybe you can explain the linked article which factually demonstrates a robust surge in Republican registrations in key swing States this year. The GOP registration improvement in PA is parabolic!
    You have repeatedly said that the GOP was in “doom and gloom” territory.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/battleground-states-continue-trend-republican-since-election-including-ia-pa-fl-nc/

  74. mnw says:

    We’re getting to the point where I never even HEARD of the sex harasser now. I had just barely even heard of Harvey Weinstein.

    Before all he’ll broke loose, I would’ve said, “isn’t he a movie producer or something?”

    As for some of these other birds…Jeffrey WHO? Louis CK WHAT?

  75. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m a straight male, yet I can spend more time cooking than Tgca.

    I see no point in spending more time cooking something than eating it. The only exception is mashed potatoes. I peeled 8 pounds yesterday. I forgot to take the leftovers home. Damn it.

  76. Bitterlaw says:

    I noticed that Jason did not include shoofly pie on his list. He should be shunned.

  77. Bitterlaw says:

    My friend with breast cancer posted photos of and her new wig. She also posted a photo of her having her head shaved.

    Cancer really sucks.

  78. Redmen4ever says:

    Speaking of movies, my wife and I picked up Fences starring and directed by Denzel Washington. Another terrific performance, and a very good movie. Usually I wait for Redbox.

  79. jason says:

    I noticed that Jason did not include shoofly pie on his list. He should be shunned.”

    That’s an everyday pie, not a Thanksgiving pie.

    GFY.

  80. jason says:

    “As for lamb, I’m a firm believer in giving an animal quality of life before putting it on a plate. I wouldn’t want to be tied down in a box my whole life, and I consider it abominable to do that to an animal.”

    Some veal is raised confined, but lambs are usually grown in pastures and then “finished” in feed lots, not boxes.

  81. Cash Cow TM says:

    Uh-oh…!

    The allegations of “inappropriate behavior” by Walt are starting to trickle in…

    –One allegation supposedly happened when Walt meant to say the name “Fran Tucker” but inadvertently switched the opening sounds of the two words. Two transgenders claim to have been extremely offended.
    _________________________________
    –Some woman said she was offended in the very early morning 55 years ago when she saw what she interpreted as Walt looking leeringly at the crack of dawn.
    _________________________
    Yet another woman claims she overheard a conversation Walt had with a pretty young woman 50 years ago, and now that she had had time to think about this overheard conversation, she has decided that she is offended.

    According to her the conversation went like this:
    Walt (speaking to the pretty woman):
    “I want to be honest.
    Let me be Frank…
    and you can pretend to be Rachael, Frank’s naive secretary. We can role play.”
    ______________________
    Another woman has come forward to say she was offended by what she detected as an indecent thought Walt had about 15 years ago.
    ___________________
    Walt also once referred to Wednesday as “hump day” and several teenage girls, the hunchback of Notre Dame and one camel got offended and all have now filed complaints.
    ___________
    Walt is worried that some woman will now be encouraged to come forward saying she were offended over the time Walt rearranged the letters in “Fukishima reactor” to spell other words…

  82. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    83. Cow, its getting even worse.. I bet your tour guide did not warn you about this:

    “Darrel Whitaker, from Glenwood Springs in Colorado, claims a sasquatch attacked him and attempted to rape him while he was walking in the woods.
    The 57-year old man was walking to his hunting cabin on Sunday, to see if it had suffered any damage during the winter.
    All of a sudden, a large “gorilla-like” creature dropped from a tree in front of him punched him in the face.
    “It was at least 8-foot tall and it’s punches hurt like hell! I was knocked right out at the first blow!”
    While Mr. Whitaker was trying to recover from the attack, the large humanoid creature began to tear his clothes while letting out some terrifying howls.
    “When I regained consciousness, he had already torn my pants and was tearing through my underwear. I stabbed him in the shoulder with my hunting knife, and that made him run away.”
    Mr. Whitaker immediately reported the attack to both the Glenwood Springs Police Department (GSPD) and the Colorado Parks and Wildlife agency, and a joint investigation has been launched.
    Darrel Whitaker is convinced that the creature who attacked him was a sasquatch, but the GSPD investigators say it’s more probable that the attacker is simply a particularly large and hairy man.
    They are currently interrogating nearby residents to see if anyone noticed an individual corresponding to the description of the suspect.
    According to the victim, the attacker measure around 8-foot tall and is extremely hairy. He has brown hair, dark brown eyes and extremely large feet.
    If you possess any information concerning the suspect, please contact the Glenwood Springs Police Department or the Colorado Parks and Wildlife agency.”

  83. Paul says:

    Trump has lost his mind and sounds like the presidency is getting to be pretty miserable for him. We’ll put him out of this misery before long.

  84. jason says:

    Poor Paul troll… what a loser…..

    Trump’s win has been tough on trolls…

  85. Tina says:

    Speaking of troll, where are the jebots?

  86. Wes says:

    Of course to Walt, a young woman could be 50,000 if humans other than Walt lived long enough to count their ages in millennia.

  87. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Tina is about to have her taxes go up significantly thanks to the Republican tax bill.

    Her tiny brain won’t be able to process it though. Somehow, it will be the democrats fault.

  88. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Tina is about to have her taxes go up significantly thanks to the Republican tax bill.

    Her tiny brain won’t be able to process it though. Somehow, it will be the democrats fault.

  89. Bitterlaw says:

    The only things older than Walt are his jokes.

  90. mnw says:

    PDT is going to the Hill for a private meeting next week with Senate GOP about the tax bill. They sure act as if they’ll have the votes, but damned if I see how. Gulp. This is the fork in the road for Trump, IMO. Everything hinges on this, for better or worse. If McConnell has to do another one of those “postponing the vote temporarily for now” things…

    RE: AL Senate: WaPo reports today that AL AA voters are “not yet energized” by Jones.

    Let’s think this through. The DNC is reliably reported to have decided to stay invisible in the AL Senate race, because they concluded it’s not in Jones’ interest to “nationalize” the race. Ergo, might it not be in Moore’s interest to nationalize the race? Bring Trump in & push all the chips out on the table? A “no regrets” strategy— there’s nothing more we could have done?

    You play the cards you are dealt. I sure as hell never wanted to have to bet the farm on a nutball like Moore, but victory in AL is probably essential to keeping the Trump train on the tracks now? A loss there would just have horrific consequences for Trump’s agenda. This is called irony, considering that Trump endorsed Strange! A Moore victory would shut the libs up for awhile, like Handel did in GA.

  91. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw – I think that Moore is going to lose. However, there really is no risk to Trump in campaigning for him. If Moore wins, Trump can claim that he made the difference. If Moore loses, Trump can go on a Twitter for rant and deny it is his fault. No matter what happens, the media will claim that Trump was the loser.

  92. mnw says:

    No, if Moore wins, that can’t be painted as a Trump loss— the media wing of the DEM apparatus sincerely believes that we’re stupid, but not that stupid.

  93. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw – Give the MSM credit. A Moore win will generate this sentence:

    President Trump, a serial abuser of women, was barely able to rally enough racists and child molesters to get pervert Moore to D.C.

  94. Bitterlaw says:

    Damn.

    C

  95. Wes says:

    According to that article, Elmer Gantry, a bunch of loons with no chance of winning backed by Steve Bannon are pledging to oppose McConnell for Majority Leader.

    Good to know.

  96. jason says:

    I am sure NYC will support the loons with no chance of winning.

  97. jason says:

    Tina is about to have her taxes go up significantly thanks to the Republican tax bill.”

    Dang, you just can’t please moonbat trolls like Pete Wilson.

    The Dems have been advocating tax hikes for years, but if Trump does it, they don’t like it.

    Sighhh….

  98. jason says:

    Did they recover any DNA from the, uh, rear end of the unfortunate hunter?

  99. Cash Cow TM says:

    “The only things older than Walt are his jokes.”

    Walt says he resembles that remark.

  100. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    To be fair, mnw; you are pretty stupid.

    All your predictions were wrong and you didn’t fix why you were wrong (hint: you have no working mental models whether it be with regards to polling or investing).

    The tax bill is a sh*tstorm. You know how a lot of blue-state republicans like Tina went quiet on it. They know they’re going to pay thousands to pay for a huge corporate tax cut to the Mercers and Koch brothers.

    They all expected to get a big tax cut themselves; not give one to billionaires.

    I’m sure you think you’ll benefit as someone with a kindergardener’s understanding of investing. Stock-buyers will see a one-time gain and then the bad investors will promptly lose it over time.

    Good times.

    Pass this sh*t tax bill. Instead of winning only the house; Democrats will flip the senate as suburban republicans stay home.

  101. mnw says:

    I really wish every person in our nation’s capital named Trump, other than Donald, would go visit the Lascaux caverns for the next 7 years.

  102. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Tax hikes to deal with the deficit is the democratic position.

    Tax hikes to partially fund a huge tax cut to the Koch brothers and Mercers is the official Republican position now. And it still adds 1.5 trillion to the deficit (and much more since they will never actually “expire” like the republicans wrote into the bill in order to make it revenue neutral).

    I’ve seen zika babies with more developed brains than Jason.

  103. mnw says:

    Is a “kindergardener” a kindergartener with a green thumb?

    Anybody know?

  104. Wes says:

    You know he will, Jason. Mikey has been a solid fanboy of Dick the Misogynist Bastard Mourdock for years and could never find anything bad to say about Aaron Day for costing Kelly Ayotte reelection.

    If Democrats beat the odds and somehow miraculously recapture the Senate next year, Mikey will definitely be popping champagne corks upon knowing Schumer is slated to become Majority Leader.

  105. Wes says:

    Amazingly the same deficit that ballooned under Obama was something TIPW never had a problem with.

  106. Wes says:

    By the way, I posted this on another thread a few days ago and noticed you never responded, TIPW:

    Wes says:
    November 23, 2017 at 12:47 pm
    TIPW must not be aware of the name BOB MENENDEZ. Democrats have been doing everything in their power for years now to keep this corrupt pedophile and prevaricator in office so Chris Christie can’t appoint a replacement.

    Projection much, TIPW?

  107. Tina says:

    Drats want cccp sanders to be the pres. candidate for 2020.

  108. Bitterlaw says:

    Why would Republicans flee from McConnell when I bet fewer than 15% of Americans could name him or his position? Normal people do not follow politics like we do.

  109. Wes says:

    ::sigh::

    First Elmer Gantry. Now Tina.

    Did anyone other than I take the tjme to read the article and notice the Bannonites are the ones turning against McConnell while the mainstream Republicans have no criticism of McConnell himself?

  110. Wes says:

    McConnell may have become nationally known briefly in 2014 when he was in a high-profile race gor reelection.

    Since then I doubt any more Americans are consciously aware of McConnell than know who George Mitchell is.

  111. Redmen4ever says:

    For anybody suffering poll withdrawal, here’s some reality therapy:

    Closing prices (this would be close to midnight since these are 24/7 markets) of the Democrat Winner-take-all contract:

    11/6/16 74.0
    11/7/16 79.5 massive volume!
    11/8/16 31.6 again massive volume! [1]
    11/9/16 97.9 trivial volume [2]

    https://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/pricehistory/PriceHistory_GetData.cfm

    [1] according to Dave Leip, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were call at 3:04 am. So, there was still hope. However, at 11:30 pm, Fox News had already called Wisconsin. The left media were in denial delaying a call of Wisconsin. So, as of midnight, things were already desperate. Hillary needed to steal Arizona (not yet called).
    [2] some people threw money away in order to deny what happened, or maybe they were betting on recounts, faithless electors, the House, and now impeachment.

  112. Tina says:

    We are not normal, bl.

    I would not want him campaigning with me, nor would i want the president.

  113. Wes says:

    He’s baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

    One of Mikey’s heroes–Chris I-don’t-give-a-damn-what-the-voters-say-if-they-don’t-pick-me-I’ll-sue-to-overturn-the-results-and-throw-a-temper-tantrum McDaniel plans to challenge Roger Wicker in next year’s primary–with Steve Bannon’s backing of course.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/double-barreled-bannon-he-targets-both-mississippi-gop-senators-n823051

  114. Wes says:

    By the way, has McDaniel ever conceded the 2014 runoff?

  115. Wes says:

    Hm.

    Is McDaniel possibly making a threat here? You decide:

    We conservatives in the state, we’re going to go after both of those seats — one way or the other,” McDaniel told NBC News.

  116. Wes says:

    What is it with Tea Partiers and ghoulishly hoping elected Senators will either die or have to resign so as to give these selfish imbeciles a possible appointment?

    Both Kelli Ward and Chris McDaniel want appointments if John McCain and Thad Cochran can no longer continue in office.

  117. GF says:

    “These pigs were trained like dogs and performed various tricks and fetched items on demand. I could never eat pork after that.“

    According to Gene Hackman in “Crimson Tide,” you can get a horse to deal cards if you use a cattle prod correctly, so I’m not certain how much weight that carries.?

    I hope that you all had a wonderful holiday with your loved ones; plenty for which to be thankful!

  118. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    2 lies in a row wes. Lazy as usual.

    https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2017/09/19/menendez-legal-team-wins-small-victory-114572

    The prostitution allegations were made by far right media and never corroborated by the fbi. One accuser recanted her story as well.

    https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293

    Thd debt that can be appropriately attributed to obama was about 1 trillion. The rest was the hangover from bush’s huge depression.

    Where did you get your poli sci degree from? A clown college? Probably it was the same trailer mnw the racist got his law degree. Facts must be hard to comprehend when the very root of your education is rotten.

  119. Tina says:

    Hi dio.

  120. Wes says:

    To protect himself and his stupidity, TIPW accuses me of lying.

    Let’s see…

    I said the debt BALLOONED under Obama. That means it increased significantly for those not conversant with the English language. Never once did I say Bush didn’t contribute to the national debt.

    By your own admission, since the debt increased by a trillion, it ballooned under Obama–the exact point I was making.

    You really should try to get your facts straight in the future.

    As far as Menendez, he got a hung jury. That is in no way an exoneration.

    Regarding his encounters with underage prostitutes, if you’re going to say the FBI didn’t corroborate them, then you have to apply the same standard and say Roy Moore must not be a pedophile. (Actually since you’re clearly too stupid to understand terminologies in English, Moore is facing allegations of ephebophilia–a crime different from pedophilia–but then I wouldn’t expect someone with your minuscule level of intelligence to know that.)

    As for my degree, ECU awarded it to me. It’s a great college–certainly far better than the proofs of purchase of purchase you had to send off the backs of some Cracker Jack boxes to get anything resembling a higher education.

  121. mnw says:

    P.S.

    And Wes can spell too! He’s not a kindergardener!

  122. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    “Amazingly the same deficit that ballooned under Obama was something TIPW never had a problem with.”

    “I said the debt BALLOONED under Obama.”

    Did you really make such a stupid argument when a person can track what you said right above?

    Menendez got a hung jury over corruption charges. Bad, but nowhere near the fake news child prostitution paedophile you said he did. Congrats on being able to read an article.

    FBI has had years and years now and nothing. Roy Moore … sure let’s investigate him. Seat him and then investigate and watch what happens. Just in time for 2018.

    MNW is such a good “lawyer.” I’m sure judges love it when he wastes their time arguing over grammar instead of substantive merits. Imbecile.

  123. Wes says:

    I used the term “ballooned under Obama” twice. TIPW accuses me of lying because I said later what I had said earlier.

    I’m supposed to be stupid because he can track what I said earlier to verify what I said.

    All right…

  124. Tina says:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/elizabeth-warren-tweet-cfpb.jpg

    Pocahantos is melting down. Too bad, losah. The statute does not claim what you state, faker.

  125. Tina says:

    April Ryan went so far as to demand Sanders bake her a pie to prove herself but said she would not eat it, accusing Sanders of wanting to poison White House reporters.

    She is dumb and should not be a reporter. Too much time on her hands.

  126. janz says:

    April Ryan has gotten more brash and rude over time. She is actually closing in on exhibiting insufferable behavior.

  127. jason says:

    And it still adds 1.5 trillion to the deficit”

    Wow, peanuts to what the Dems did, and I never heard you complain….

    The Dems raised taxes to “deal with the deficit”?

    LOL

    They raise taxes so they can throw it away on pork and on keeping people on the government dole so they think they have to keep re-electing the people that keep them down.

    You really are a brainwashed moron.

  128. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – My niece received her first college acceptance letter. Any thoughts on Coastal Carolina?

  129. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    Is that college up in the mountains?

  130. Chicon says:

    Has Cow been accused yet of harassment by a steer?

  131. jason says:

    We all know PeteWilson is from the bottom of the troll gene pool, but the “Dems raise taxes to deal with the deficit” is hilarious.

  132. ssq says:

    Any thoughts on Coastal Carolina?”

    I here its close to the ocean.

  133. mnw says:

    It’s of a piece with someone who can’t spell “kindergarten” accusing everyone else of being a moron.

  134. DW says:

    Harvey Weinstein – film producer
    Mark Halperin
    Kevin Spacey
    George H. W. Bush – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – film actor
    Bill Clinton – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken – entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush – Journalist
    John Conyers – US congressman
    Oliver Stone – film producer, director
    John Lasseter – film director, animator
    Dan Schoen – State senator, MN
    Tony Cornish – State representative, MN
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Joe Barton – US congressman
    Mascot – LA Kings

  135. mnw says:

    DW

    Powerline blog calls it the “pervnado.”

  136. ssq says:

    Joe Barton doesn’t deserve to be on the list. He didn’t abuse or harass anybody.

  137. jason says:

    I agree with ssq.

  138. Cash Cow TM says:

    Why are no men coming forward with allegations of women politicos, movie startlets, media females coming on to them?

  139. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    We know you know how to spell extra good mnw.

    Especially “wetback” and “n*gger.”

  140. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    We know you know how to spell extra good mnw.

    Especially “wetback” and “n*gger.”

  141. DW says:

    Harvey Weinstein – film producer
    Mark Halperin
    Kevin Spacey
    George H. W. Bush – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – film actor
    Bill Clinton – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken – entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush – Journalist
    John Conyers – US congressman
    Oliver Stone – film producer, director
    John Lasseter – film director, animator
    Dan Schoen – State senator, MN
    Tony Cornish – State representative, MN
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Mascot – LA Kings

  142. DW says:

    Harvey Weinstein – film producer
    Mark Halperin
    Kevin Spacey
    George H. W. Bush – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – film actor
    Bill Clinton – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken – entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush – Journalist
    John Conyers – US congressman
    Oliver Stone – film producer, director
    John Lasseter – film director, animator
    Dan Schoen – State senator, MN
    Tony Cornish – State representative, MN
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Mascot – LA Kings
    Marlon Brando

  143. mnw says:

    DW

    DEAD perverts are now eligible? Gonna be a long list.

  144. mnw says:

    Back in The Beverley Hillbillies era of TV, the president of CBS television was a notorious sexual predator named James Aubrey. A man in that position only had to turn down the bed covers, & stand back… to avoid the starlet stampede.

    But… he liked to mistreat and violently abuse women who weren’t willing.

    There was something going on with men like Marlon Brando & James Aubrey that had nothing to do with ordinary lust.

  145. Bitterlaw says:

    I heard that the earliest known copies of the Bible began with God saying, “Let there be Walt.”

    I’m sure that DW can confirm this.

  146. Bitterlaw says:

    Today, I will not boycott the NFL while I watch the Eagles hopefully crush the Bears at 1:00. I will then continue to not boycott the NFL as I switch back and forth between CBS and Fox for the 4:15 games. Finally, I will conclude my non-boycott of the NFL by watching the 8:30 on NBC – until The Walking Dead comes on at 9:00.

    Despite my commitment to not boycotting the NFL, I still think the protesting players can F off.

  147. Phil says:

    I will continue to boycott the Texans.

    Easy decision. They suck.

  148. Wes says:

    Ironically Bitterlaw once said Phil is giving the protesting players exactly what they want by not watching.

    In fact, Bitterlaw is giving them exactly what they want by watching them and thus giving them ratings even as they give him the collective middle finger.

    Bitterlaw was recently fond of saying “separation of sports and state.”

    I agree. If the players can’t be apolitical for three hours, then I have no reason or desire to watch them and thereby enable the NFL to have enough money to pay for their lucrative contracts.

  149. Tina says:

    Has the gope eneded the vacation on the cruise line hosted by crystal meth? It is well past time for them to ask for the conyers and franken to resign.

    Gop e went mute strangely.

  150. Wes says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 26, 2017 at 10:12 am
    I heard that the earliest known copies of the Bible began with God saying, “Let there be Walt.”

    I’m sure that DW can confirm this.

    I’ve always wondred what Walt was doing during the Precambrian when he had literally no other lifeforms for companionship.

  151. jason says:

    Trump played rounds with Tiger, Dustin Johnson and Jack Nicklaus over the weekend.

    I’d like to see the scores.

  152. jason says:

    Nancy Pelosi is in favor of due process for Democrats….especially “icons”

    Who knew?

    WASHINGTON — House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi on Sunday urged “due process” before making conclusions about Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., following accusations of sexual harassment, saying the 27-term Congressman is “an icon” who has worked to protect women.

    “We are strengthened by due process. Just because someone is accused – and was it one accusation? Is it two?” Pelosi asked on “Meet The Press.”

    “John Conyers is an icon in our country. He has done a great deal to protect women – Violence Against Women Act, which the left – right-wing – is now quoting me as praising him for his work on that, and he did great work on that,” she added. “But the fact is, as John reviews ut the fact is, as John reviews his case, which he knows, which I don’t, I believe he will do the right thing.”

  153. Tina says:

    CNN Communications
    CNN Communications
    @CNNPR
    Replying to @realDonaldTrump
    It’s not CNN’s job to represent the U.S to the world. That’s yours. Our job is to report the news. #FactsFirst ?
    3:10 PM · Nov 25, 2017

    Even when paid by saddam hussein to “report” the news.

  154. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – I think the players love the boycotts because it proves to them in their minds that the fans are racists.

    You once justified your non-voting for President in either 2008 or 2012 because your vote “did not make a difference” in the outcome. Well, me watching or not watching does not change the ratings since I am not one of the people who are determining the ratings numbers.

  155. Bitterlaw says:

    I’ve always wondred what Walt was doing during the Precambrian when he had literally no other lifeforms for companionship.

    Well, the obvious answer might not make it past HAL.

  156. jason says:

    Ok so evidently Brad Faxon and Trump tied Tiger and Dustin….

    But Tiger and Dustin teed off from the pro tees making the course about 7500 yds to 6500 for Trump and Faxon.

    Still, quite an accomplishment IF true.

    No it was not Trump who claimed they tied, if was Faxon.

  157. jason says:

    Poor Bitter feels guilty he is supporting the scumbag players just like he felt guilty voting for Trump.

    I have no sympathy, make your bed and lie in it.

  158. Corree says:

    oday, I will not boycott the NFL while I watch the Eagles hopefully crush the Bears at 1:00.”

    We will probably lose by 30, but we would only lose by 20 if our “top 10” QB, Jay Magnificent Cutler, was playing.

  159. jason says:

    I will continue to watch the games I have already paid for subscribing to Verizon, but I am not paying to watch the Broncos lose to the Raiders.

  160. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzzzz. I am not supporting the players. I am watching a game. If I wanted to support the players, I would not watch the game because that would feed their narrative that all fans are racists.

    I do not feel guilty about voting for Trump. I am thrilled every day that Hillary is not President. I am also embarrassed every day that Trump is President. Both can be true.

  161. jason says:

    A new standard I bet Wobbie will be attracted to…

    “Former NBA star Charles Barkley weighed in on the Alabama Senate race Saturday, saying embattled Republican candidate Roy Moore should be disqualified from the race because of his association with former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon”.

  162. jason says:

    Someone should tell Charles you should only “weigh in” if you have something intelligent to say.

  163. Bitterlaw says:

    The Broncos are an interesting study in football philosophy. They had 2 of the greatest QBs in NFL history – Elway and Manning (although an aging, injured Manning). Yet, they currently do not think that it is necessary to actually have even an average QB.

  164. jason says:

    Ma, we reeled in a big Bitterfish…

    I can’t believe we caught him with that kind of bait…

  165. Bitterlaw says:

    Someone should tell Charles you should only “weigh in” if you have something intelligent to say.

    That would kill about 75% of the daily posts. How would the Wizard get to lofty post numbers. He likes the big numbers. He certainly has no interest in giving us a NEW THREAD before December.

  166. Tgca says:

    It is true that Conyer has advocated and supported many issues important to women so for that he should be recognized. But so did Bill Clinton and Harvey Weinstein and others. The two are mutually exclusive. You can be a supporter of issues important to women and still be a sexual harasser and assaulter, as well as abusive to women. It seems antithetical but quite often this is the case because sexual harassment and assault is more about power and using that power to act out on desires then it is about political ideology.

    The same with Moore accusations. He can be an advocate for conservative beliefs and at the same time he may have betrayed that ideology if he did indeed act in a manner as accused.

  167. Bitterlaw says:

    Eagles 217 Bears 5.

    Book it.

  168. jason says:

    Yet, they currently do not think that it is necessary to actually have even an average QB.”

    What? Osweiler, who the Texans offered $72 million for a 4 year contract and the Browns paid $16 million for without ever playing a game, is not “average”?

    He is makng 60% more than Cutler, who is top 10….

  169. jason says:

    Full disclosure: Osweiler sucks.

  170. jason says:

    Bears 5?

    The Bears are going to get a safety or run back a blocked FG?

    I doubt it.

  171. Tgca says:

    Jeff Bezo net worth hits $100B as of Black Friday. I guess I’m in good company then and on track. I’m just off about 9 zeros at this point.

  172. jason says:

    As for Osweiler, never has a QB who sucked so bad* made so much money not playing.

    – Jon Gruden

    * ok, sue me, Cutler got $10 million from the Dolphins.

  173. Bitterlaw says:

    If I drank Bud Light, I would boycott it over the stupid Dilly Dilly ads.

  174. jason says:

    It is true that Conyer has advocated and supported many issues important to women so for that he should be recognized.”

    Oh, puhhhhlease….give me a break.

    The idea is that the Dems have “done a lot for women” is one of the biggest crocks of all time, among the many promoted by the MSM, and I am surprised TGCA buys into it.

    Democrats have been disparaging stay at home moms for decades, and increasing taxes on working women and making it more difficult for small businesses owned by women to get started, let alone prosper.

    The Democrat’s strategy with minority women is the same as with all other minorities, keep them poor and dependent and voting Democratic.

    Just recently Michelle Obama insulted all women who didn’t vote for Hillary, although Trump won white women by 10 points.

    The Democrats are no friends of women, and fortunately a lot of them understand that.

  175. Bitterlaw says:

    Bitterlaw’s refusal to boycott a product that he never buys proves that he is a man of great integrity.

    – Jon Gruden

  176. jason says:

    You need 18 yds and you throw a screen pass?

    Zzzzzzzz…..

  177. jason says:

    I would rather drink llama piss than drink light beer.

  178. Bitterlaw says:

    The Eagles’ first drive is my fault. My lucky shirt is in the dryer. It will be ready in 10 minutes.

  179. Bitterlaw says:

    Why do I think that 185 is based on experience?

  180. jason says:

    “supported many issues important to women”

    Let me correct that, Conyers supports a lot of issues Democrats THINK are important to women, like being patronized and considered wards of the state.

  181. jason says:

    “why do I think that 185 is based on experience?”

    You are right, once I drank from the wrong bottle and it was light beer.

  182. jason says:

    he Eagles’ first drive is my fault. My lucky shirt is in the dryer. It will be ready in 10 minutes.”

    Thank God there is a reasonable explanation for that play call.

  183. jason says:

    “Light” beer is one of the greatest cons of all time.

    You take beer and put more water in it and sell it as “light”. And some people are stupid enough to buy it.

    As PT Barnum said….

  184. jason says:

    217 might be conservative.

  185. BRENT says:

    roy moore wins by double digits as the accusers stories fall away one by one and gloria alred continues to hide now that she may be in trouble for forgery

  186. Bitterlaw says:

    2 fumbles lost? WTF.

    Ok. The lucky shirt is on. Order should be restored.

  187. Tgca says:

    Jason my sweetums

    I did not say I agree with the issues being important to women or even the best solutions, I stated Conyers has been a recognized advocate for them, for which he has. Now, I personally don’t believe many of the proposed solutions do any good, and can be harmful in the long run, but like it or not, there is a large percentage of women, especially Dems that agree with him and see him as a supporter on the issues for women.

    My point was that whether he does good or bad by women issues should not be a defense to minimize the accusations. One can both support women issues and use and abuse women.

    We good now babe?

  188. Tgca says:

    It’s a brisk fall day here in south FL. Only hitting 76 today. It was like 64 late last night. Brghhh. Must be impacts of severe man-made global warming. Where’s my 80+ degree weather dude?

  189. Bitterlaw says:

    There are women who will always vote for Dems because of the abortion issue. If that is their most important issue, I don’t blame them. I do not agree that it should be their most important issue but it is their right to disagree.

  190. jason says:

    I stated Conyers has been a recognized advocate for them, for which he has”

    BFD

    Recognized by whom exactly? His MSM toadies?

    My point is that his “recognition” is a crock of crap, and duhh, “Dems agree with him” means diddly squat.

    And no, if you abuse women you are not a supporter of “women’s issues”, that is MSM propaganda.

  191. Bitterlaw says:

    I would hate living somewhere that it is regularly 76 degrees or warmer on November 26th.

  192. Bitterlaw says:

    CC

  193. Tgca says:

    Per Newsmax, Conyers tweeted he will give up his committee post on the Judiciary Committee due to attention from recent allegations against him.

  194. Bitterlaw says:

    I was hoping that the A-hole and Tgca would be closer. I guess not.

  195. Tgca says:

    198 Jason

    We agree but as you know, perception is reality to many and he and others Dems that engage in bad behavior will still be given a pass by lib elites and MSM to some extent. If he were a conservative, the pass rule would not apply and he would be cast into the bowels of Hell.

  196. Tgca says:

    Which A-hole are you referring to Bitter? There seems to be a few in HHR residence.

  197. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason is the current A-hole you disagree with.

  198. jason says:

    “There are women who will always vote for Dems because of the abortion issue.”

    So what?

    Many women will always vote for Rs because of the abortion issue.

    Show me one instance where a R who is pro-life is called a “supporter of women’s issues”.

  199. jason says:

    There are A-holes and a-holes.

  200. jason says:

    perception is reality to many and he and others Dems that engage in bad behavior will still be given a pass by lib elites and MSM to some extent”

    Right, so you agree that calling Conyers a “supporter of women’s issues” is nothing more than MSM propaganda?

  201. Cash Cow TM says:

    “I’ve always wondred what Walt was doing during the Precambrian when he had literally no other lifeforms for companionship.”
    #####################################
    I think he played a lot of solitaire.

  202. jason says:

    “perception is reality to many”

    Which doesn’t really make it reality.

  203. Tgca says:

    Hmmm…Did I just enter a gay chat room? All this obsession with A-holes.

  204. Tgca says:

    GH Bush now oldest living POTUS ever.

    Does that also make him the oldest pervert too?

  205. jason says:

    “id I just enter a gay chat room? All this obsession with A-holes”

    I wouldn’t know.

  206. jason says:

    I don’t know if GHWB fits the list either, it seems like all this grab ass st-ff happened after he was already almost as old as Walt when Walt was 90.

  207. Tgca says:

    As linked on RCP, when questioned on being the biggest democratic donor in 2016, giving over $91 million to Dems, Tom Steyer defended his excessive donations because big donor money is needed to get big donor money out of politics. Um. Ok.

    Is that like, “I voted to fund the Iraq war before I voted against it?”

  208. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca – While there are a-holes here, the A-holes are a special group of guys.

  209. Bitterlaw says:

    WVAlly is also an A-hole.

  210. Tgca says:

    Not sure of the accuracy, but I believe it’s up to about 10 accusations against Bush for groping over 2 decades. He has not denied all of them and his spokes person stated that he has patted their rears in what was intended as a good-natured matter.

    Ok. I suggest all guys on HHR return to work tomorrow and recognize the good job your fellow female co-workers are doing with a pat to their rears.

  211. Bitterlaw says:

    Bears did not have a first down in the first half. Wow. You don’t see that…ever.

  212. Bitterlaw says:

    I mean gain a first down.

  213. jason says:

    “his spokes person stated that he has patted their rears in what was intended as a good-natured matter.”

    Yeah, I saw several NFL players do that already today.

  214. jason says:

    To other NFL players, not female sideline reporters.

  215. Bitterlaw says:

    Uh oh. Bears get first downs and 3 points. The lucky shirt needs to wake up.

  216. jason says:

    VA youth pastor kills wife, daughter and her boyfriend after Thanksgiving dinner. Then doesn’t have the decency to kill himself.

  217. Bitterlaw says:

    Eagles should have punted.

  218. Redmen4ever says:

    George H.W. Bush – oldest living president to grab some ass. As for dead presidents, that would be Jay Z.

  219. Chicon says:

    Bitter – well, the Birds treated my Bears with the regard they deserve. Birds look very good; Bears closer to an early draft pick.

  220. messy says:

    224. suicide is a sin, don’tcha know?

  221. messy says:

    193 sick fantasy that.

  222. jason says:

    224. suicide is a sin, don’tcha know?”

    Somehow after murdering his wife, daughter and her boyfriend I am not sure he was concerned about sinning.

  223. jason says:

    The Dems don’t have enough deadenders, but they have some.

    “Susan Sarandon says she believes Hillary Clinton would have been a dangerous president and she doesn’t regret voting for Jill Stein– an opinion she says has resulted in verbal attacks from Hillary supporters.”

  224. Chicon says:

    231 – message sent.

  225. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon – I am not used to the Eagles winning and blowing teams out. It makes me nervous. I want to believe they are this good but I have been burned before.

    I am very worried that the NFL is going to find out that Carson Wentz is very religious. He holds Bible study groups for members of the team. Jason says the NFL will not allow religious QBs to play in the league.

  226. lisab says:

    i got

    Kennedy Babylon: A Century of Scandal and Depravity
    by Howie Carr

    https://www.amazon.com/Kennedy-Babylon-Century-Scandal-Depravity/dp/0986193305/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511746049&sr=8-1&keywords=kennedy+babylon

    jfk’s behavior was horrifying!

    it makes me glad that there were sober adults like bill clinton and monica in the white house

    seriously the dems should not be talking about trump

  227. Bitterlaw says:

    It is embarrassing that JFK was an Irish Catholic.

  228. lisab says:

    “It is embarrassing that JFK was an Irish Catholic.”

    he refused to wear condoms. he got several young girls pregnant,

    he gave david niven’s wife chlamydia … who cheats on david niven?!!!

  229. lisab says:

    i now think the mob had jfk killed

    oswald may have been the sole gunman

    but after reading the book, i think he was “hit”

    as revenge for rfk going after the mob.

    the mob even threatened to kill members of the rat pack and take sammy davis’ other eye out

  230. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    215. “Tom Steyer defended his excessive donations because big donor money is needed to get big donor money out of politics.”

    You realize that Steyer is one of the worst hypocrite the world has ever produced. Gullible and stupid liberals swear he is a great environmentalist, in fact he was one of the world’s major coal investors. Below is a summary of his past.

    “Mr. Steyer has had a direct, personal involvement in assembling, through Farallon, a portfolio of strategic investments in overseas coal miners and coal fired power plants which is unprecedented in scale. The total quantum of Farallon’s investments in these transactions is not publicly disclosed, but reasonable estimates suggest that it could be between US$1 and $2 billion in total.6 Taken collectively, the coal producers in which his fund has amassed these investment interests represent one of the largest sources of thermal coal in the world;

    • The financing provided by Mr. Steyer’s fund enabled these coal producers to restructure and recapitalize thereby freeing them to grow rapidly during a period of rapidly rising coal prices, leading to one of the largest expansions of thermal coal production in modern times7;

    • Made during a period of ever rising coal prices, these investments were almost certainly extremely profitable for Mr. Steyer’s fund overall, and my extension Mr. Steyer personally. It stands to reason that few people in American history have made more money from investment in thermal coal than Mr. Steyer.

    Some facts:

    • As casual conversation with professionals involved in the regional coal sector will confirm, over the past decade Farallon has become, without question, the pre-eminent financier of coal transactions in Asia and Australia.

    • Under Mr. Steyer’s tenure as senior partner, Farallon has been responsible for providing acquisition and expansion funding to about a half dozen of the largest coal mine and coal power plant buyouts in Australia and Asia since 2003. In each case the funding provided by Farallon was pivotal to the success of the transaction.”

    There appears to be some sort of pheromone that liberals possess that attracts them to hypocrites and liars; they just swoon over them. People like Steyer know they are suckers.

  231. Redmen4ever says:

    RE Ragging on Susan Saranwrap:

    Jill Stein’s vote exceeded the Margin of Victory in MI, PA and WI, so you could say Stein cost Clinton the election.

    But, Gary Johnson’s vote exceeded the Margin in CO, ME, MN, NH, NM and NV.

    And, McMuffin’s vote exceeded the Margin of Victory in UT.

    So, third-party siphoning was complicated. This would be expected since about one fifth of voters considered both major party candidates unfavorable.

    Clearer third-party siphoning incidents include:

    In 2000, Nader cost Gore FL and NH and the election.

    In 1844, Birney cost Clay NY and the election.

  232. lisab says:

    there is nothing wrong with coal

    not long ago the media bragged that “green energy” produced more electricity (35%) than coal (30%) and had 3,000,000 jobs compared to 70,000 for coal

    which might be a good argument except 20% of the “green energy” is nuclear

    and hydro plus geothermal is another 7% … and they have been developed for decades (e.g. hoover dam)

    so basically 27% of “green energy” existed way before wind and solar and biomass etc.

    the energy people usually think of as “green energy” solar and wind employs 3,000,000 people and produces only 7% of our electricity

    about 1/4th the energy 70,000 coal workers produce

  233. lisab says:

    “Jill Stein’s vote exceeded the Margin of Victory in MI, PA and WI, so you could say Stein cost Clinton the election.”

    i voted for stein

    hillary was not my second choice

  234. mnw says:

    lisab

    Read Case Closed?

    For my money,… case closed. Occam.

    Plus, conspirators always talk eventually, if there had been any. The JFK murder was basically a re-play of LHO’s earlier attempt to murder Gen. Edwin Walker.

  235. Tina says:

    https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/883374001

    Az reg numbers look good for the rs.

    Plus 14k.

  236. lisab says:

    Read Case Closed?
    For my money,… case closed.
    ———————————

    apparently one of the mob bosses said jfk was going to get hit and it was going to be done by no one associated with the mob, but by a loner.

    and there was a whole bunch of crazy stuff about the investigation, just for example warren did not want the job.

    lbj threatened him with hoover info the fbi had on him. lbj’s main goal was to make sure the russians (and cubans) were not blamed

  237. Wes says:

    Bitterlaw thinks the NFL players love the boycotts which will affect their salaries because supposedly the boycotts empower them to call people racists.

    Well, let’s see…

    They were calling people racist beforehand. They didn’t need a boycott to do that.

    Driving down ratings and ticket sales denies the NFL a hefty stream of revenue and negatively affects the amount of money the NFL has to give players these lucrative contracts.

    I’m going to say Bitterlaw is 100% wrong on this.

  238. lisab says:

    all of which does not mean oswald was not the loan shooter

  239. lisab says:

    “Driving down ratings and ticket sales denies the NFL a hefty stream of revenue and negatively affects the amount of money the NFL has to give players these lucrative contracts.”

    what percent of the nfl’s revenue goes to players?

  240. Wes says:

    jason says:
    November 26, 2017 at 2:17 pm
    I don’t know if GHWB fits the list either, it seems like all this grab ass st-ff happened after he was already almost as old as Walt when Walt was 90.

    Had any other lifeforms than Walt even formed at that time?

  241. Wes says:

    The NFL provides the money the teams divvy up for their salaries, Lisa. It’s about $160 million per team give or take.

  242. Wes says:

    jason says:
    November 26, 2017 at 1:18 pm
    “Light” beer is one of the greatest cons of all time.

    You take beer and put more water in it and sell it as “light”. And some people are stupid enough to buy it.

    As PT Barnum said….

    Something only a sucker would believe Barnum said.

  243. Wes says:

    jason says:
    November 26, 2017 at 12:35 pm
    A new standard I bet Wobbie will be attracted to…

    “Former NBA star Charles Barkley weighed in on the Alabama Senate race Saturday, saying embattled Republican candidate Roy Moore should be disqualified from the race because of his association with former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon”.

    I don’t necessarily agree with the sentiment, but things don’t work that way, Chuck.

  244. lisab says:

    so with 32 teams that means about … carry the 1 … goesinta … ummmmmmm …

    $5.1 billion in athlete salaries on about $13-14 billion in revenue

    considering the athletes make the game, i’d say they have some room to wiggle

    what do they care if the owner’s make $6 billion or $3 billion in operating profit?

  245. Wes says:

    BRENT says:
    November 26, 2017 at 1:28 pm
    roy moore wins by double digits as the accusers stories fall away one by one and gloria alred continues to hide now that she may be in trouble for forgery

    You don’t really know too much about this particulsr candidate or his electoral history apparently.

  246. Wes says:

    Goodell and the owners care, Lisa. Excrement rolls down hill, not up.

  247. lisab says:

    “You take beer and put more water in it and sell it as “light”.”

    actually that is not really how it is made.

    you first have to make a high alcohol beer, which is very difficult — not difficult for a major company like miller of course, but for homebrewers it is

    although i must admit, miller lite has a distinct watery flavour

  248. lisab says:

    “Goodell and the owners care”

    yes, i imagine they do

    and i am surprised they let it get this far

    but until they make the players care, it does not matter.

    (i would have permanently benched any player that knelt and not even let them suit up in subsequent games.)

  249. lisab says:

    my hubby brews beer, from actual grain not from the premade malts you can buy.

    occasionally he has tried for the super high alcohol beer … and has actually been successful … in getting high alcohol content

    so far not so good in the taste. anything up to 15% is doable. the holy grail is 20%+

    so far no joy (on the taste part of 20%)

  250. lisab says:

    but in any case, light beer is fermented higher than regualr beer, which gets rid of things that would give it more flavour.

  251. Wes says:

    That’s the point of the boycott, Lisa. It interrupts the revenue stream. Once that happens, the NFL will be less interested in SJW posturing and more in bringing money in. That’s when the crackdown will happen.

    Do you really think the owners would be willing or could even afford to continue to pay those huge salaries after suffering a significant revenue decrease?

  252. lisab says:

    Do you really think the owners would be willing or could even afford to continue to pay those huge salaries after suffering a significant revenue decrease?
    ————————

    could they afford it? probably. bitterlaw and those like him will watch.

    would they be willing? remains to be seen.

    i told you what i would do as an owner … but … and this is a big problem for the owners … what if the black athletes went and formed their own league (as has been suggested)? it would screw everything up.

    i would think that the NFL will do almost anything to prevent that — even share money.

    keep in mind that while the owners’ have the best financial minds working for them

    the black athletes are being told what to do by people who majored in gender studies and critical race theory

  253. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    240. “not long ago the media bragged that “green energy” produced more electricity (35%) than coal (30%) and had 3,000,000 jobs compared to 70,000 for coal.”

    When the media makes claims of massive “green” related employment, it includes such things as the total workforce to make energy-saving appliances, automobiles, etc.

    Below are the percentage shares of energy sources for the years 2016 (from EIA). In 2017 the use of coal has increased, and natural gas gone down so they are about equal in the low 30-32% range. This is because the price of natural gas has gone up, and coal is more competitive this year.

    “Major energy sources and percent shares of U.S. electricity generation at utility-scale facilities in 2016

    Natural gas = 33.8%
    Coal = 30.4%
    Nuclear = 19.7%
    Renewables (total) = 14.9%
    Hydropower = 6.5%
    Wind = 5.6%
    Biomass = 1.5%
    Solar = 0.9%
    Geothermal = 0.4%
    Petroleum = 0.6%
    Other gases = 0.3%
    Other nonrenewable sources = 0.3%
    Pumped storage hydroelectricity = -0.2

    These numbers are only for electricity generation, which is about 40% of all energy use. It does not include gasoline and natural gas use for automobiles and industrial processes. When all energy is considered, the total of wind and utility solar together is about 3.5% percent — this despite these two forms of power generation receiving billions of dollars in subsidies.

    The fundamental problem with wind and solar is they only work part time. By subsidizing wind and solar, you also have to pay for back-up energy generation that has to be used the majority of the time. It makes no sense.

  254. Wes says:

    How many competitors to the NFL have been formed? None have survived. An all-black NFL would fare no differently–and probably worse since other ethnic and racial viewership would be negligible.

  255. lisab says:

    “The fundamental problem with … solar”

    is night 🙂

    seriously … i am all for solar … and wind … and of course geothermal and hydro which are both competitive with coal on cost if not cheaper … it is just we don’t have a bunch of geothermal or hydro places that are undeveloped

    they just are not ready for prime time yet

    the biggest problem may be storage of solar energy for use at night

  256. lisab says:

    How many competitors to the NFL have been formed? None have survived.
    ——————————–

    we agree there. it would be just an awful move.

    again … the african american players who benefit almost more than any other blacks in our society …

    are being advised by people who do NOT have the athlete’s best interests at heart

    were i rep for the players’ union i would tell them to be the biggest fans of the country that just gave them a million dollar contract

  257. janz says:

    Here is Powerline’s take on Roy Moore, including a comment section that seems to support him staying in the game for a variety of reasons.

  258. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    264. One of the most promising sources for new renewable energy is converting cow manure & agricultural and human waste into biomethane. It is big in Europe now. They are doing a lot of it in California’s Central Valley, which is a huge milk producing area.

  259. lisab says:

    the problem is the enormous energy it takes to raise a cow, plus water, plus food

  260. lisab says:

    plus cows are mean

  261. Bitterlaw says:

    The protesting players know that their alleged goal of drawing attention to police brutality and racial injustice was achieved in the first week of the season. This lead to a negativereaction by many fans. Yet, the players continue to protest. Why? I think they like the boycott. Wes does not agree.

  262. Redmen4ever says:

    Regarding wind: The Germans have built enough windmills to provide 70 percent of the country with energy when the wind is blowing. But they have a complete backup system of coal and oil-fired plants because the wind doesn’t always blow. I think the wind mills actually generate a third of their capacity.

  263. Tina says:

    I think hw bush is exempt since he is an icon.

    Piglosi has given bush a pass.

  264. Tina says:

    Allred plus piglosi.

    Moore could not ask for better gifts.

  265. Todd McCain says:

    Pelosi defending Conyers because of “due process” is absolutely pathetic…..due process wasn’t afforded Moore…..bunch of hypocrites, including many here.

  266. Bitterlaw says:

    I am admitted to practice as an attorney in 2 states and 2 Federal Jurisdictions. I can assure you that the concept of “due process” does not apply to the Court of Public Opinion.

  267. jason says:

    Roy Moore is still a scumbag. The fact there are a lot of other scumbags doesn’t change that, and it shouldn’t give anyone here who actually supports this jerk any solace.

    That being said, other scumbags have won elections, so those that think its disqualifying as far as the electorate is concerned are wrong.

    The people of AL will have to decide if they want a flaming liberal to represent them, knowing he will vote against their interests 100% of the time. Or elect someone who time and time again has demonstrated to have no respect for the rule of law or the Constitution.

    The other choice is to elect Moore knowing he will be used as a weapon to demonize every other GOP candidate up to the 2018 election, a gift to the Dems that will keep on giving, or elect the liberal and feed the meme that the blue wave in 2018 is inevitable.

    Thank you, deadenders and their useful idiots, for such wonderful choices.

    And GFYs.

  268. Todd McCain says:

    The year book quite likely is a forgery and I am starting to really believe this whole thing was just concocted quite frankly with many of the accusers stories falling apart.

    One of them, her own son is calling her a liar!

  269. Todd McCain says:

    Yes, blame Bannon for giving us another s*itty candidate.

  270. jason says:

    keep in mind that while the owners’ have the best financial minds working for them

    the black athletes are being told what to do by people who majored in gender studies and critical race theory”

    Heh, well said…

    To me, the whole situation reminds me of the communist pope, who the MSM and all their leftist cohorts just LOVE…. the problem is this LOVE is contigent upon the Pope taking their side on the capitalism is bad and global warming is Armageddon meme, these people have no interest in the Catholic church and are actually very interested in destroying it. Although Bitter disagrees, getting into bed with these people will hurt the Church in the long run. Bet on it. Catholic likes Bitter who think “politics don’t matter, I will still go to Mass” are sheep being led to slaughter. This is a case where Wobbie is right and Bitter is wrong, it’s a rare occurrence but it happens.

    Which brings us to the NFL. All the leftists supporting the players have no interest in the NFL and would love to see it destroyed. The players are actually contributing to the demise of their status and the game as a whole. The owners may have good financial people working for them, but they allowed themselves to be buffaloed by the MSM or by their own liberal tendencies. From a financial standpoint in the long run they are going to lose a lot of money and they risked killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

  271. jason says:

    he year book quite likely is a forgery and I am starting to really believe this whole thing was just concocted quite frankly with many of the accusers stories falling apart.”

    I said this stank of a political hit job from the beginning, but I also said these allegations were not the reason I have called Roy Moore a scumbag from the beginning.

  272. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason, please GFY. Am I supposed to stop going to Mass because of the Pope? While I am not great at being Catholic, I continue to believe. I am a Catholic so I go to Mass. Sometimes. I do not go church shopping like many Protestants do. That is not meant as a criticism.

    I live my life based on loyalty. When I commit to something, I plan on staying with it until I die. The GOP, the Catholic Church, and the Philadelphia Eagles are just 3 examples.

  273. Bitterlaw says:

    Todd thinks the “stories are falling apart” because he wants to believe that. People who want to believe the accusers do not think the stories are falling apart. Funny how that works.

    Personally, I do not know who to believe. I expect Moore to lose.

  274. Todd McCain says:

    Despite all the “stories”, he is at worst tied or maybe even ahead a few points despite being outspent 11-1.

    We need to see more polling. We are getting numbers from pollsters I have never heard of.

  275. Redmen4ever says:

    Bear Bryant would have never lost to Auburn.

  276. Todd McCain says:

    Well, when one of the accusers sons is calling her a liar, and they wont release the year book, I am calling BS.

    It doesn’t take a lawyer to smell BS on that one.

  277. jason says:

    I believe not ONE white player has taken a knee DURING the anthem, and at least 80% of the black players have not done so either.

    Yet the small minority who have are in effect dictating the narrative, and they are doing so because they are egged on by people who want to see the NFL destroyed.

    When all this started the NFL should have issued a statement signed by Goodell and ALL the owners stating that the policy of the NFL was that the players should stand for anthem and that if they wanted to protest they were free to do it on their own time, but that this was not the appropriate venue, and that this policy was not in any way related to any statement or opinion of the President.

    The MSM would have been critical, but the fans would not.

  278. JC says:

    Your favorite president’s tweet of the day;

    @realDonaldTrump: We should have a contest as to which of the Networks, plus CNN and not including Fox, is the most dishonest, corrupt and/or distorted in its political coverage of your favorite President (me). They are all bad. Winner to receive the FAKE NEWS TROPHY!

  279. Todd McCain says:

    In other news, tax reform vote likely this week.

    Let’s see if Mitch and Hatch can do this.

  280. Chicon says:

    Bitter – do you mean conservative or GOP? When you’re Walt’s age (or sooner), the gop could be the liberals and the Dems could be the conservatives.

  281. jason says:

    It doesn’t take a lawyer to smell BS on that one.”

    Yeah, but it doesn’t mean all the allegations are bogus. It seems Moore is at the very least guilty of being pretty creepy 40 years ago.

    In any event the timing stinks and the WAPO “investigation” stinks.

    Not to mention the same people who are very offended are quick to give others who have actually admitted wrongdoing a pass.

  282. jason says:

    “jason, please GFY. Am I supposed to stop going to Mass because of the Pope?”

    Real A-holes don’t say please GFY, just GFY.

    And nice dodge, but the “going to Mass” is a cop out. It’s not even remotely linked to the issue.

    By giving the Pope a pass, you are contributing to the demise of the Church.

    That is my point.

  283. Todd McCain says:

    Jason,

    Yes, Roy Whore is a creep.

    I am still waiting for DEM Senators to demand Franken resign.

    The hypocrisy with all of this stinks.

    Sexual Harassment, it seems, only matters when the accused is a Republican.

  284. jason says:

    @realDonaldTrump: We should have a contest as to which of the Networks, plus CNN and not including Fox, is the most dishonest, corrupt and/or distorted in its political coverage of your favorite President (me). They are all bad. Winner to receive the FAKE NEWS TROPHY!”

    Wobbie should get a vote in this, he would be an expert on which of his favorite sources is the most fake.

  285. jason says:

    I just checked the RCP average and it show Jones up 0.8%.

    If its that close on election day I predict Moore would win.

  286. NYCmike says:

    ” The GOP, the Catholic Church, and the Philadelphia Eagles are just 3 examples.”

    -The wife didn’t make his top 3……The BOSS must have his hands all around (but not on) his prey by now!

    Rumor is Patty Scialfless is pissed!

  287. jason says:

    Sexual Harassment, it seems, only matters when the accused is a Republican.”

    Well, the standards are different.

    Democrats are entitled to “due process”.

    And if Democrats apologize, they are off the hook.

    Finally, “old” allegations are only valid against Republicans.

  288. NYCmike says:

    “I am still waiting for DEM Senators to demand Franken resign.”

    -I am still waiting for Republican Senators to demand it!

    Halloween passed, but the skeletons are still walking about!

  289. Redmen4ever says:

    Washington Post criticizes Koch Brothers buying Time, Inc., via Meredith, because big money corrupts freedom of the press.

  290. jason says:

    “the wife didn’t make his top 3…”

    Good catch, LOL

  291. NYCmike says:

    #299 – that is great!

    Did they buy it yet, or is the deal still out there?

  292. Redmen4ever says:

    The Wikipedia entries for Time, Inc., and Meredith have been updated to reflect the acquisition. So, yes, it’s a done deal.

    Meredith, a media conglomerate whose best known brand is Better Homes & Gardens, has acquired Time, Inc., publisher of Time, Sports Illustrated, among other magazines, in a $2.8 billion deal, including debt assumption. The cash part of the deal was infused into Meredith by the Koch Brothers, who bought $650 million of newly minted preferred stock in Meredith.

    The is the first major play by the Koch Brothers, who are thought interested in assembling media assets. They previously explored buying the L.A. Times and/or Chicago Tribune.

    The acquisition envisions continued embrace of digital media in magazine publishing.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-time-m-a-meredith/meredith-to-buy-u-s-publisher-time-in-koch-backed-deal-idUSKBN1DQ0TH?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

  293. mnw says:

    Claire “Sky Queen” McCaskill is back in the news today for… suspected misuse of her airplane.

    Wait a minute! I saw this movie 6 years ago! Why are they dredging this up again? Oh… a NEW incident? OK, sorry. Never mind, then.

  294. jason says:

    It’s about time conservatives try to level the MSM playing field.

    I remember when GE bought NBC, I thought a pro-business, pro-free enterprise outlook might be in the making. Instead nothing happened, GE did nothing about the leftwing management at NBC, and it got even worse with MSNBC.

  295. jason says:

    Todd thinks the “stories are falling apart” because he wants to believe that. People who want to believe the accusers do not think the stories are falling apart. Funny how that works.”

    I think the yearbook thing did fall apart, and the the fact the accuser’s stepson is calling it bogus doesn’t help their case.

    My gut feeling is that if nothing new comes out, Moore will be able make up some ground among the undecided, with the short news cycle its hard to sustain the headlines without new material.

    I still put Moore’s odds at 50/50, much higher than other people who don’t like him. Sue me.

  296. jason says:

    Wow, I guess McCain is not impressed by Hillary’s new book…ouch…

    “Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., says he understands why Hillary Clinton decided to write her campaign memoir, “What Happened,” which was published in September — 10 months after her brutal election loss to Donald Trump. But McCain, who suffered his own bitter defeat to Barack Obama as the Republican nominee in 2008, also knows that “you can’t rewrite history.”

    “One of the almost irresistible impulses you have when you lose is to somehow justify why you lost and how you were mistreated: ’I did the right thing! I did!’” McCain told Esquire magazine for a lengthy profile published online Sunday. “The hardest thing to do is to just shut up.”

    In “What Happened,” Clinton claims that the “attacks” Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., leveled at her during their Democratic primary battle “caused lasting damage,” made it harder to “unify progressives” and paved the way for Trump’s “Crooked Hillary” refrain.

    “What’s the f***ing point? Keep the fight up?” McCain said of Clinton’s tome. “History will judge that campaign, and it’s always a period of time before they do. You’ve got to move on. This is Hillary’s problem right now: She doesn’t have anything to do.”

  297. NYCmike says:

    “So, yes, it’s a done deal.”

    -Breaking News: Airline pilot throws all issues of TIME magazine out of airline waiting area, petitions management to cancel all subscriptions to that magazine and any other of its company publications.

    Also, starts to picket the Hudson News stand on concourse floor to use all of these magazines for local dog shelter pick up.

  298. NYCmike says:

    ““The hardest thing to do is to just shut up.””

    -What’s good for the goose…..

  299. NYCmike says:

    “WELL, IT SHOULD WORRY THEM. THE GOP CONGRESS’S RECORD TO DATE IS PATHETIC. Dem lead in generic ballot polls worries GOP. They should have had bills delivering on campaign promises lined up like airplanes on a runway. Instead they haven’t even delivered an ObamaCare repeal. The tax bill will be a nice start, but the election was over a year ago.”

    -Glenn Reynolds MUST BE a “deadender”!

  300. Cash Cow TM says:

    Wes,

    you are really relentlessly hammering poor old Walt.

    ############################

    lisab,

    I am living proof that cows are not mean.
    unless you try to take their bells.

  301. Todd McCain says:

    Senate Budget committee will officially add ANWR to the tax reform package today, which basically buys Murkowski’s vote.

  302. mnw says:

    Cokie Roberts says Moore will be “hard to beat,” because of Trump’s support.

    The unraveling of one accuser’s story (Allred’s client) may cause voters to be more skeptical about the whole saga.

  303. jason says:

    Cokie Roberts says Moore will be “hard to beat,” because of Trump’s support”

    LOL

    So AL voters did not listen to him when he endorsed Strange but now they will vote for Moore because of Trump?

    Zzzzzzzzzz…

  304. jason says:

    They should have had bills delivering on campaign promises lined up like airplanes on a runway”

    Actually they did.. but the deadenders wanted all or nothing on Obamacare and got what deadenders deserved…nothing.

  305. DW says:

    Harvey Weinstein – film producer
    Mark Halperin
    Kevin Spacey
    George H. W. Bush – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – film actor
    Bill Clinton – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken – entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush – Journalist
    John Conyers – US congressman
    Oliver Stone – film producer, director
    John Lasseter – film director, animator
    Dan Schoen – State senator, MN
    Tony Cornish – State representative, MN
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Mascot – LA Kings

    who will be added this week?

  306. Waingro says:

    #312, good. I don’t care the reason that ANWR gets added on, but it should have been rammed through a LONG time ago.

  307. jason says:

    Then they wanted to cut LEGAL immigration in half… and they got…nothing.

    Then they use this as an excuse to nominate more deadenders to the Senate.

    Which will get them… nothing.

    Deadenders are consistent, you have to give them that.

  308. jason says:

    Trump will not campaign for Moore.

    Good.

  309. Waingro says:

    Of course, I seem to recall “Maverick” McCain as a big and vocal opponent to ANWR drilling years ago and one of the reasons it got blocked.

    Hopefully, Murk can get him to back off this time and keep his mouth shut.

  310. jason says:

    Let Moore sink or swim on his own.

  311. Waingro says:

    #319, smart move by Trump. He’s now in a kind of “win-win” position.

  312. jason says:

    ““The hardest thing to do is to just shut up.””

    -What’s good for the goose…..”

    Yeah, I agree, Trump should never have insulted McCain’s service record.

    He should have shut up.

  313. mnw says:

    Moore is already using Trump’s statements about the AL Sen race in Moore’s campaign ads, soo… Moore must think Trump helps, apparently.

  314. DW says:

    Funny that Clinton is fingering Sanders for her defeat, given that Donna Brazile has come out confirming that Dem primary was rigged so Hillary would win it.

  315. DW says:

    And that’s one of the biggest 2016 election ironies. The GOP was doomed because 17 candidates ran in the primary (at least 12 of them serious candidates), and the Dems were a sure thing because they had only 2 serious candidates running.

  316. DW says:

    looking back, the ‘serious’ GOP candidates for the 2016 primary included:

    Cruz
    Rubio
    Carson
    Bush
    Christie
    Kasich
    Walker
    Perry
    Fiorina
    Paul
    Huckabee
    Trump – even though not considered so at the time.

    Not serious candidates:
    Pataki
    Gilmore
    Jindal
    Graham
    Santorum

  317. Chicon says:

    Franken to speak in 10 minutes. More embarrassing “acknowledgements”? Will he say he’s done talking about it? Resign?

  318. Waingro says:

    Uh oh.

    BREAKING: Marine Colonel Announces He’s Running Against Roy Moore

  319. Waingro says:

    Anybody heard of the Marine Col.? Seems like an Egg McMuffin type of desperation move. Mitchy behind this?

  320. Todd McCain says:

    Listening to Franken. What a POS…..

  321. Phil says:

    The View was on in the doctor’s waiting room. The “ladies” spent twenty minutes differentiating between Franken and Moore and Clarence Thomas. It seems in the ladies’ view Franken’s transgressions were not in the same league as Moore and besides, Franken was truly sorry. Oh yeah, they also gave him a pass because “after all, Al Franken was so good on women’s issues” as opposed to a Clarence Thomas.

    It was nauseating. Joy and Woopie were their usual hack selves. They did mention that Ted Kennedy was also “good on women’s issues” but noted that he had been ‘accused’ of leaving the scene in the drowning of a young girl”

    Accused??

    LMAO

  322. janz says:

    Marine Col. Lee Busby is the latest wrinkle in the Alabama election, by doing a late end run against Moore.

  323. Todd McCain says:

    I think he is doing a write in and it seems pointless.

  324. DW says:

    333 – accused? ACCUSED? What dope are they smoking? Kennedy admitted it because he had to! It was his car upside down in the water, and Mary Jo’s dead body was inside.

    He went to the TV screens and begged voters to forgive him and give him another chance.

    And Mary Jo wasn’t exactly a ‘young girl’, she was 28, and attending a party with other women about her age, and the party was attended by Ted Kennedy and a bunch of other married men about Kennedy’s age. The wives were not invited to the party.

  325. Waingro says:

    #335, seems like the only thing he would do is to siphon just enough votes away from Moore — which I think might be the point…..

  326. Bitterlaw says:

    Well, when one of the accusers sons is calling her a liar, and they wont release the year book, I am calling BS.

    Zzzzzzzzz. I don’t trust family members more than anybody else. A son angry at his mom? Shocking.

  327. DW says:

    Ted Kennedy’s own words:

    “Main Street on my way to get the ferry back to Edgartown. I was unfamiliar with the road and turned right onto Dike Road, instead of bearing hard left on Main Street. After proceeding for approximately one-half mile [800 m] on Dike Road I descended a hill and came upon a narrow bridge. The car went off the side of the bridge. There was one passenger with me, one Miss Mary [Kopechne],[26] a former secretary of my brother Sen. Robert Kennedy. The car turned over and sank into the water and landed with the roof resting on the bottom. I attempted to open the door and the window of the car but have no recollection of how I got out of the car. I came to the surface and then repeatedly dove down to the car in an attempt to see if the passenger was still in the car. I was unsuccessful in the attempt. I was exhausted and in a state of shock. I recall walking back to where my friends were eating. There was a car parked in front of the cottage and I climbed into the backseat. I then asked for someone to bring me back to Edgartown. I remember walking around for a period and then going back to my hotel room.”

    The investigation was rushed, hushed, and the body quickly buried with no autopsy. Mary Jo left her purse and hotel key at the party, meaning she was coming back. She and Ted were likely going down to the beach for a quick one and all was going to plan until he drove his car off the side of the bridge, likely due to being partly intoxicated.

  328. Bitterlaw says:

    By giving the Pope a pass, you are contributing to the demise of the Church.

    Let me know when the next Papal Election is scheduled. Oh. I don’t get a vote. I can’t give a “pass” because I have no ability to affect the Papacy.

  329. DW says:

    PPP-D – Alabama Senate

    Lee Busby (I) 52%
    Roy Moore (R) 11%
    Doug Jones (D) 37%

  330. DW says:

    And here is the testimony of the diver who recovered the body, saying that Ted Kennedy was directly guilty of the death of Mary Jo:

    “It looked as if she were holding herself up to get a last breath of air. It was a consciously assumed position…. She didn’t drown. She died of suffocation in her own air void. It took her at least three or four hours to die. I could have had her out of that car twenty-five minutes after I got the call. But he [Ted Kennedy] didn’t call.”
    —?diver John Farrar, Inquest into the Death of Mary Jo Kopechne, Commonwealth of Massachusetts, Edgartown District Court. New York: EVR Productions, 1970.

  331. Chicon says:

    342 – so, DW, are you saying Teddy was more than accused?

  332. Bitterlaw says:

    I love HHR. Robbie thinks I am a bad Catholic for not going to a Latin Mass. Jason thinks I am a bad Catholic for going to Mass when the current Pope is in Rome (since there is no way for a regular Catholic to change the Pope, it is not a dodge to raise the issue of going to Mass).

  333. Phil says:

    NO NO NO

    Teddy was only “accused”

    Joy Behar said so.

    Move on. Nothing to see here.

  334. NYCmike says:

    “Actually they did.. but the deadenders wanted all or nothing on Obamacare and got what deadenders deserved…nothing.”

    -They did NOT have the same bills, passed during the 2015-16 term, when Obama was President, ready to go….to say they did is an OUTRIGHT LIE…..well, then again, it is jason making the statement…..

  335. mnw says:

    Charles Blow says he “can’t be friends” with anyone who voted for Trump. I guess I can endure that penalty.

    Van (“Republicans are adzholes”) Jones will soon have his own CNN show, because…of course!

  336. Wes says:

    Van “Whitelash” Jones will soon have his own show.

    How very nice of CNN.

  337. Wes says:

    Much as I don’t like Roy Moore, I’ve never seen an accusation that he killed someone–unlike Ted Kennedy.

    You know, I don’t believe Hell exists, but Ted Kennedy makes me hope it does.

  338. Phil says:

    …and hope Manson is his new roommate.

  339. mnw says:

    Waingro

    There were 3 declared write-in candidates in AL BEFORE Col. Busby. Busby is #4… but he’s getting the publicity.

    Could that be because Busby previously attended…a Jones fundraiser?

    Nah… because that would mean… he’s just a DEM stalking horse. Couldn’t be that!

    Maybe they could find some other guys also named “Roy Moore” & run them too? Whatever works.

  340. NYCmike says:

    “Could that be because Busby previously attended…a Jones fundraiser?”

    -Is this true?

  341. Paul says:

    Trump, the racist, drops a “Pocahontas” joke when commemorating WWII Navajo “Code-talkers”.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42146195

  342. Paul says:

    353: Trump’s remarks made while standing with the Navajo veterans in front of a painting of Andrew Jackson.

  343. DW says:

    349 – had Ted Kennedy gone to the police right away they would have been able to deduce whether or not he was intoxicated. As it is, there is no other reason why he would have waited until the next morning after his blood alcohol levels returned to normal.

    Even then, Kennedy never did ‘report it’ to the police, rather he went down to the police station after someone else spotted the car, called the police, and the diver removed the body.

    In short, from the moment the car went into the water to his press conference to the nation, every action taken by Kennedy was about preserving his chances to stay in office and run for president, and whether or not Mary Jo lived was inconsequential.

    Also, the first statement is usually the most honest in these situations. Kennedy’s first police statement mentioned there was a ‘Miss Mary’ in the car, and later he just called her ‘the passenger.’

    But it was clear all through he was just working the phones, getting counsel and setting up the best shot at survival.

    Too many in the nation were just willing to roll over for him–because after all–poor guy had been through so much with his assassinated brothers.

    So he got away with murder.

  344. mnw says:

    NYC

    Sure it’s true! It’s buried in the otherwise glowing WaPo story about this political wunderkind. Paragraph 137/(A)(2)(iii), as I recall.

    No. It’s absolutely true. Busby admitted it, but claims he didn’t actually contribute— just attended the Jones FR, doncha know.

    What’s the problem?

  345. Chicon says:

    Robbie will enjoy this thing with the code-talkers.

    Trump is a strange guy – really understands people at times (such as a good portion of the electorate last year), and really tone deaf at other times.

  346. Trump says:

    Who doesn’t laugh at the fake Pocahontas?

  347. Trump says:

    One of the main ways to marginalize an opponent is to mock them mercilessly.

    Trump knows that.

    “Low-energy Jeb” was not an accident.

  348. Phil says:

    Who doesn’t laugh at the fake Pocahontas?

    Ah yes, the esteemed Senator Elizabeth Warren. What a piece of work she is. Run for President, Liz. You’re a boss.

  349. Trump says:

    “1 Warren initially denies knowing why Harvard touted her as Native American
    2 Bloggers and Reporters uncover Warren’s history of claiming to be Native American for employment purposes
    3 U. Penn and Harvard Made Federal Filings Based On Warren’s Represenations
    4 The Genealogical Evidence Shows Warren Has No Native American Ancestry
    5 Warren Did Not Start Claiming To Be Native American Until She Was In Her 30’s
    6 Warren Story About Her Parents’ Elopement Cast In Doubt
    7 Warren’s Aunt Bea and High Cheekbones Story Cast In Doubt
    8 Warren Never Associated With Native Americans

  350. Trump says:

    “The Harvard Crimson in 1996[2]:

    “Although the conventional wisdom among students and faculty is that the Law School faculty includes no minority women, Chmura said Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren is Native American.”

    The Harvard Crimson reported similar information in 1998[3]:

    Harvard Law School currently has only one tenured minority woman, Gottlieb Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren, who is Native American.”

  351. Trump says:

    That’s one of the greatest of Trump’s attributes. He speaks the truth, and the rats start scurrying.

    “Soon after the Boston Herald report, information was uncovered[8] by George Mason University Law School Professor David Bernstein[9] that starting in the mid-1980s, when she was at U. Penn. Law School, Warren had put herself on the “Minority Law Teacher” list in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools but dropped from that list when she gain tenure at Harvard in 1995.

    Warren had not previously revealed these law directory entries. The AALS directory was used as a recruiting tool[10] by law schools in that time period in order to identify, among other things, minority law professors.”

  352. Trump says:

    “When confronted with this information, Warren admitted[12] she had filled out forms listing herself as Native American, claiming she wanted to meet other Native Americans:[13]

    Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren, fending off questions about whether she used her Native American heritage to advance her career, said today she enrolled herself as a minority in law school directories for nearly a decade because she hoped to meet other people with tribal roots.

    “I listed myself in the directory in the hopes that it might mean that I would be invited to a luncheon, a group something that might happen with people who are like I am. Nothing like that ever happened, that was clearly not the use for it and so I stopped checking it off,” said Warren….

    “Being Native American has been part of my story I guess since the day I was born,” said Warren, who never mentioned her Native American heritage on the campaign trail even as she detailed much of her personal history to voters in speeches, statements and a video. “These are my family stories, I have lived in a family that has talked about Native American and talked about tribes since I was a little girl.”

  353. Paul says:

    I don’t really care about Warren. She may or may not have some Native American.

    I do care about a racist Trump who is the most idiotic president in our nation’s history.

  354. BayernFan says:

    So is Moore coming back in the polls?

  355. Phil says:

    364

    What a load of crap this woman spews – and can do it all with a straight face. Impressive.

  356. Trump says:

    My family has talked about the English royalty since I was a little boy.

  357. Trump says:

    When you hate Trump, Paul, we all know Trump is 180 degrees opposite.

  358. Trump says:

    Paul, you are quick to throw around the racism card.

    Projecting much?

  359. Trump says:

    Get over it. I’m a egotistical racist, suckers.

  360. Phil says:

    Trump is a racist?

    LOL

    Oh, right – Anyone who is not currently a Democrat is an automatic racist. Sorry, I forgot.

  361. Trump says:

    Classic case of projection.

  362. Phil says:

    Keep it up, Paul. That’s how Trump got elected in the first place. Keep playing loose with the term racist. Worked well in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

  363. Paul says:

    Sorry, my bad. I meant to say that Trump is a racial-healing uniter of our nation.

  364. Paul says:

    “Trump, a white man who deferred military service five times, insults the Navajo Code Talkers who risked their lives serving & defending a country that stole their land, by cracking the same stupid “Pocahontas” joke aimed at Senator Warren, that he knows offends Native Americans.”–

  365. Trump says:

    The joke is Senator Warren.

  366. Trump says:

    Let Pocahontas explain her heritage.

  367. JC says:

    Paul, the only one who offended native Americans is Warren, who falsified her heritage to abuse a system designed to help them.

    You’re one of those people who claim native americans are ‘offended’ by the red skins name when polls show +90% of native americans have no problem with it.

  368. Phil says:

    Racial-healing uniter of our nation.

    Oh yeah, you mean like Obama.

    LMAO

  369. Phil says:

    Ah yes, the team name “Redskins” that offends Native Americans. Oh wait. They aren’t offended It offends white liberals. My bad.

  370. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic–and-false–tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/0c2e335a-cfb6-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html

    LOL, conservatives tried to prove Washington Post was fake news and instead proved why the Washington Post is one of the most esteemed journalistic institutions in the United States.

    Trumpservatism is so sad …

  371. jason says:

    LOL… liberal cancels NYT subscription because it supposedly ran an article favorable to a conservative..

    “Debra Messing is done with the New York Times after the paper ran what she perceived as a favorable profile of conservative commentator Ben Shapiro.

    “And why I cancelled my subscription to @nytimes,” the “Will & Grace” star tweeted in response to a thread criticizing the paper’s story on Friday.”

  372. lisab says:

    by cracking the same stupid “Pocahontas” joke aimed at Senator Warren, that he knows offends Native Americans.”
    ——————————-

    ummmmmmmm … i am pretty sure they are offended that warren got preference for hiring at harvard by stealing their identity

  373. jason says:

    hy the Washington Post is one of the most esteemed journalistic institutions in the United States.”

    The fact the PeteWilson moron likes the WAPO proves that it is fake news….

    The proof is in the pudding…

  374. jason says:

    Trump should have called her fauxcahontas

  375. jason says:

    by cracking the same stupid “Pocahontas” joke aimed at Senator Warren, that he knows offends Native Americans.”

    Native Americans should be offended Warren is using them for political purposes…

  376. jason says:

    Van Jones is an avowed Truther and Communist.

    He is a good fit for CNN.

  377. Tina says:

    Mccabe demoted at fbi.

    Crooked cop.

  378. Michael says:

    Whats the big deal about Pocohontas. When I was in high school, we called the indian kid Gandhi and no one cared. Stupid liberals make a big deal about everything.

  379. jason says:

    I think its obvious the only person Trump was insulting was fake Indian Elizabeth “Fauxcahontas” Warren.

  380. jason says:

    I have lived in a family that has talked about Native American and talked about tribes since I was a little girl.”

    I played cowboys and Indians…but I am neither an Indian or a cowboy…

  381. Bitterlaw says:

    There are rumors that Jason is not really an Inca. Some believe that he is really a Mayan who liked llamas too much.

  382. Bitterlaw says:

    Don’t tell Boycott Phil that Houston just scored a TD to lead the Ravens 7-0.

    -Jon Gruden

  383. Tina says:

    Are there lots of empty seats? The poor sf kneelers had novody in the stands yesterday,

  384. Tina says:

    Bush 43to roger goddell

    Way to go goodie.

  385. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – 1-10 teams do not usually fill the seats.

  386. Bitterlaw says:

    Ravens and Texans tied at 7. Boycott has had no impact upon game.

    – Jon Gruden.

  387. mnw says:

    Grijalva leaving Congress, which is certainly an early Xmas present, although his replacement will be just as bad or even worse.

    Something to do with alcoholism & harassment of staff.

  388. Bitterlaw says:

    CD

  389. Bitterlaw says:

    The stands seem full at the Ravens’ stadium.

  390. janz says:

    Lots of open seats in 2018, or so it seems.

  391. Tina says:

    Luis Gutierez will not seek re election.

    Conyers 2.0

  392. Tina says:

    It is per politico, fyi.

  393. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 27, 2017 at 9:27 pm
    Ravens and Texans tied at 7. Boycott has had no impact upon game.
    – Jon Gruden.
    ——————————————————————————
    Duh. They are playing in Baltimore. LOL

  394. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    272. “Regarding wind: The Germans have built enough windmills to provide 70 percent of the country with energy when the wind is blowing. But they have a complete backup system of coal and oil-fired plants because the wind doesn’t always blow. I think the wind mills actually generate a third of their capacity.”

    Your correct; when the term “capacity” is used for an energy source, it is the amount of energy it would produce if it produced energy 24/7. Wind only produces energy about 1/3 of the time, and that is actually a high estimate. Older turbines produce energy at below 20% of their capacity.

    Wind turbines only last for about 20 years, and produce less energy each year. In 10 years a wind turbine often is producing less than 50% of its production when new.

    The actual percentage of electricity that wind produced in Germany in 2016 was under 13%; which was down from the previous year, even though new wind was being added. This appeared to be mainly because of the aging of most existing wind turbines in Germany.

    Yet eco-freaks and Chuck Grassley continue to love wind energy. The fact Grassley is supportive shows how powerful the wind lobby is in Iowa; and why the Republican establishment is a crony capitalist joke.

  395. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    376. “defending a country that stole their land, by cracking the same stupid “Pocahontas” joke aimed at Senator Warren.”

    I agree Paul. Its time for Elizabeth Warren to step up to the plate and put Trump’s attacks on her to rest. She needs to present proof that she is actually of Native American ancestry, and denounce Trump for claiming she lied.

    We are waiting?

  396. Tina says:

    Where are the jebots?

  397. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – I said it had no impact on the game meaning the game itself.

    The Eagles are 10-1. Neither the protests nor the boycott appear to have an impact upon them.

  398. Todd McCain says:

    Never heard of this folks but they are saying Moore pulling out way ahead:

    Analytix Polling:

    Moore 57%

    Jones 35%

  399. Bitterlaw says:

    The Ravens’ best pass tonight was by their punter.

    – Jon Gruden

  400. Tina says:

    No doubt he is pulling ahead. Woukd like to see a people pundit daily poll, however.

    Moore is helped by allred and piglosi. Notice how allred is not on tee vee anymore?

  401. MichiganGuy says:

    Keith Olbermann announced Monday that he is “retiring from political commentary in all media venues”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/362068-keith-olbermann-i-am-retiring-from-political-commentary
    ——————————————————————————-
    I hope Robbie will be ok.

  402. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #403- Tina
    This is great news. I agree that Gutierrez’ sudden “retirement” must have a definite backstory. It will eventually be disclosed. Here is the link:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/27/gutierrez-illinois-house-democrat-261092

  403. Bitterlaw says:

    Prediction – If Moore wins, none of his supporters at HHR will demand that the allegations be fully investigated or type the words “due process.” Instead, they say it is time to move on.

  404. JC says:

    If Moore wins, I predict that those accusers will disappear in the wind because they will no longer be being paid to make up these accusations.

    In this country, we don’t burn people to the stake because a person accused someone he/she doesn’t like of a crime with no evidence to back it up.

    We don’t do predatory inquisitions in America, Bitter.

    Well, unless you’re Mueller…

  405. MichiganGuy says:

    JC, exactly

  406. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 28, 2017 at 6:52 am
    Prediction – If Moore wins, none of his supporters at HHR will demand that the allegations be fully investigated or type the words “due process.” Instead, they say it is time to move on.
    —————————————————————————
    BL, doesn’t get it. It was the accusers who should of went to the authorities to begin with instead; they chose to go to the washingtonpost. That tells you how serious these women are.

  407. JC says:

    RRH is pretty much a democratic site now.

  408. Todd McCain says:

    Despite whatever a lot of folks her think, it is extremely evident that Moore has regained his footing and the allegations are built in at this stage.

    I said before that there was way too much time between when the allegations first broker and the election similar to the Access Hollywood tape. I suspect the election will still be close as Moore is getting clobbered on the airwaves, but I see him winning 52-48 or 53-47.

  409. Todd McCain says:

    If he wins, he should be seated. Despite the allegations, the people of Alabama would have chosen him.

    Why isn’t Franken being asked to resign? I am still waiting.

  410. Bitterlaw says:

    MG does not get it. It is very unlikely that any prosecutor would have taken these cases. I do not know if any of the allegations are true or false. Somehow, Moore’s defenders know that all of the accusations are false.

  411. Todd McCain says:

    The burden of proof is on the accuser BUB.

  412. Bitterlaw says:

    The fact that the allegations were made so early actually makes them a little more credible. If they are all made up, why not release them 5 to 10 days before the election?

    As for seating Moore, I knew the “investigate him before seating him” argument was pure b.s. I wonder if NYC still want Moore and the accusers to get a fair hearing if he wins.

  413. Bitterlaw says:

    Todd – As I explained yesterday, the Court of Public Opinion has different rules.

  414. Bitterlaw says:

    I never went to the police when a priest tried to attack me. I must have made it all up. Right, Todd?

  415. Todd McCain says:

    We all have our stories. I have mine as well; this isn’t the forum for comparisons.

    The pendulum in this country has swung so hard to the other side where anyone who screams sexual harassment is automatically believed and the accused must be a rapist.

    Roy Moore probably did it and he’s creep, but the double standard is which Moore has to leave the race because of unsubstantiated allegations and Franken doesn’t have to resign despite evidence of him groping a woman is absurd.

  416. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Uh Oh for Democrats as another big mouth Congressman’s misbehavior has been brought into the sunshine. He sounds like the “boss from hell”!

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/27/raul-grijalvas-secret-deal-exposes-second-hush-fun/

  417. Bitterlaw says:

    You think Moore probably did these things but want him seated if he wins? You are no different than Dems who do not want Frankenstein to resign.

    I would prefer that Frankenstein resign and Moore not be seated if an investigation by the Senate sheds light on the accusations.

  418. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Will the GOP get the Hat Trick today with Dem. Congressmen’s misbehavior?! This Congressman,who is not the recording artist, Al Green from Texas, spends his time in Congress calling for The Donald’s impeachment.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/27/al-green-allegations-assault-261020

  419. Todd McCain says:

    Yes, he should be seated, he has been elected despite the revelations/accusations by the people of Alabama.

    As a Pennsylvanian, it shouldn’t be our right to interfere.

  420. Todd McCain says:

    And you are missing the point, with Franken there is proof — a photograph of him groping a woman and laughing about it…..

  421. Bitterlaw says:

    If there is a picture of Moore grabbing a teen, I doubt that Todd would want him to resign. Even if Frankenstein resigned, Moore’s case would somehow be “different.”

  422. Bitterlaw says:

    Franken. Autocorrect has a sense of humor.

  423. Todd McCain says:

    You have proof in one and in another allegation with someone whose story in many cases is falling apart.

    The fact that they wont release the yearbook is sketchy.

  424. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    This is a very damning indictment of the US Intelligence apparatus under Obama. LOCK HER UP and CLAPPER, TOO!!!

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/obama-inspector-general-reveals-stunned-james-clapper-led-deep-state-officials-covering-hillarys-email-scandal/

  425. Todd McCain says:

    437.

    I could have told you that.

    This Clapper is a bad hombre and one of the principal figures in the formation of the deep state.

  426. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw, as usual, reads only what he wants to read.

    I have already stated that the best scenario is Moore being elected, and then those women going forward with charges. If innocent, good. If guilty, expelled from Congress, new election takes place.

  427. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – I think you will drop the investigation part of your strategy. Todd already dropped it.

  428. MichiganGuy says:

    BL is sounding a lot like Robbie. Hmmm

  429. Trump says:


    Bitterlaw says:
    November 28, 2017 at 8:09 am

    I never went to the police when a priest tried to attack me. I must have made it all up. Right, Todd?”

    Yes.

  430. Trump says:

    Where is the POS serail adultere McCain calling for Franken’s and Conyers’ resignation?

    Where is the fuc*tard Romney? Or the idiot Gardner?

    When one of their own club member is accused, the cra&-weasels go silent.

  431. Trump says:

    I want Moore elected to the Senate, he fits right in with the other sexual perverts adulterers in Congress.

    Why don’t they release the Sexual Assault Slush Fund details?

    What are McConnell and Ryan hiding? Who are they protecting?

  432. Bitterlaw says:

    GFY, Trump. It happened. I moved on.

  433. Trump says:

    “Congress paid out $17 million in settlements” – CNN

  434. Trump says:

    Talk to the judge, honey.

  435. MichiganGuy says:

    BL, that’s exactly what a normal person would do (move on) not wait 38 years and one month before an election to go public.

  436. Trump says:

    While claiming to move on, the moron keeps moaning about it.

  437. Chicon says:

    Where is our intrepid pilot?

  438. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – I do not think that there is a “normal” way to handle it. Each person is different.

  439. Bitterlaw says:

    I finally mentioned it a few times after being here 13 years. My point was that people may reveal things decades later.

    Only my wife and brother ever heard the story. No point in telling my dad at 90. I won’t mention it again.

    GFY again.

  440. DW says:

    Harvey Weinstein – film producer
    Mark Halperin
    Kevin Spacey
    George H. W. Bush – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – film actor
    Bill Clinton – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken – entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush – Journalist
    John Conyers – US congressman
    Oliver Stone – film producer, director
    John Lasseter – film director, animator
    Dan Schoen – State senator, MN
    Tony Cornish – State representative, MN
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Mascot – LA Kings
    Raul Grijalvas – US Congressman
    Keith Olbermann – Journalist
    Luis Gutierrez – US congressman

  441. DW says:

    Those last three, I am just getting ahead of the forthcoming headlines.

  442. DW says:

    Harvey Weinstein – Film producer
    Mark Halperin – Journalist
    Kevin Spacey – Film producer
    George H. W. Bush – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – Film actor
    Bill Clinton – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken – Entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush – Journalist
    John Conyers – US congressman
    Oliver Stone – Film producer, director
    John Lasseter – Film director, animator
    Dan Schoen – State senator, MN
    Tony Cornish – State representative, MN
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Mascot – LA Kings
    Raul Grijalvas – US Congressman
    Keith Olbermann – Journalist
    Luis Gutierrez – US congressman

    Who else gets on the list today?

  443. Redmen4ever says:

    I understand exactly why Democrats don’t want a trial or a hearing for Judge Moore, and it’s because they have always believed in Judge Lynch. From the days when the armed wing of the Democratic Party strung up black men on the mere allegation that they “raped” white woman, to the attack on Justice Thomas, to the Duke lacrosse case, to this current attack. The color of the accused may have changed, but not the modus operandi. Having said this, if the Senate Ethics Committee were to substantiate the allegations, Roy Moore could be removed based on his current denial, as well as because of sexual assault. The only thing is that Hearings should be conducted first regarding Robert Menendez, if he hasn’t yet resigned (I suspect he may be waiting for the next Governor of his state to be sworn in). Let’s give the members of both parties an opportunity to demonstrate they put justice ahead of partisanship.

  444. DW says:

    Whoops…missed Al Green. This is getting hard to keep up with. I should also put in party affiliations.

    Harvey Weinstein (D) – Film producer
    Mark Halperin (D) – Journalist
    Kevin Spacey (D) – Film producer
    George H. W. Bush (R) – 41st POTUS
    Roy Moore (R) – Alabama judge
    Sylvester Stallone – Film actor
    Bill Clinton (D) – 42nd POTUS
    Al Franken (D) – Entertainer, US senate actor
    Charlie Rose (D) – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush (D) – Journalist
    John Conyers (D) – US congressman
    Oliver Stone (D) – Film producer, director
    John Lasseter (D) – Film director, animator
    Dan Schoen (D) – State senator, MN
    Tony Cornish (R) – State representative, MN
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Mascot – LA Kings
    Raul Grijalvas (D) – US Congressman
    Keith Olbermann (D) – Journalist
    Luis Gutierrez (D) – US Congressman
    Al Green (D) – US Congressman

  445. Phil says:

    That’s an interesting list of party identification.

    Would love to present to the ladies on The View.

    Joy would tell you it doesn’t matter since all those Democrats were good on women’s issues. Also, they are very, very, very, very, sorry………..therefore, we MUST move on.

  446. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    No link yet, but here is another Alabama Senate Poll. This is from Emerson and shows Moore(R) +6.

    NEW POLL on #Alabama US Senate Special Election between Doug Jones & Roy Moore. Results available EXCLUSIVELY on #podcast -> http://traffic.libsyn.com/emersonpod/Emerson_College_Polling_Weekly_Episode_18.mp3?dest-id=557951

  447. mnw says:

    JC

    Agreed with two of your posts above.

    1) If Moore wins, the accusers will indeed disappear. This is, & always has been, about electing Jones. Doesn’t mean Moore wasn’t guilty of misconduct 40 years ago, but none of the people exploiting that on Jones’ behalf ever really gave a ratz adz about it.

    2) RRH is, as you said, basically a DEM site now.

    One last thing: I’d bet my life & my kids’ lives that DEM donors are funneling money to the newcomer “independent” candidate Col. Busby even as I type this. It’s never been about Busby either— all this is about electing Jones, & always has been.

  448. Chicon says:

    Wes, what’s your take on the AL Senate race at this point?

  449. Chicon says:

    Mnw – your Blues are really tearing up the league right now. Especially impressive with the injuries. Respect, from a Hawks fan…

  450. mnw says:

    Grijalva leaving Congress:

    He holds the distinction of being the only overt supporter of terrorism ever to serve in the House, as far as I know. He never made any secret of endorsing the Puerto Rico terrorist bombing & assassination campaign.

    In that respect, at least, his replacement will be a slight improvement.

  451. Redmen4ever says:

    Sheeple, thanks for link to podcast. An interesting way to cut through the clutter.

  452. mnw says:

    Chicon

    Thx. Their injuries right now seem to me about average for the NHL. BLUZ clobber bad teams & have to fight like hell to win half their games against good teams, I notice.

    Hawks always there at the end. This year too? I suspect.

  453. DW says:

    Dimwits on “The View”, a few years from now:

    “Yes, back in 2016 Hillary Clinton was accused of losing the election to Trump.”

    “And in 2017 the Dodgers were accused of losing the World Series to the Astros.”

    “Oh and don’t forget that in 2017 the sun was accused of being eclipsed by the moon too!”

  454. Chicon says:

    Mnw – probably Hawks fans think the Blues are better than Blues fans think the Blues are. Hawks fans don’t think the Hawks are as good as other teams think the Hawks are.

    Preds looking really good, too. Hockey is awesome, eh?

  455. NYCmike says:

    Why would I drop the investigation part? If he is elected, the seat is safe. If he is found guilty, he is removed, and Alabama holds another special election, which would mostly favor republicans.

  456. Todd McCain says:

    Moore has regained his footing despite the allegations, despite being outspent 11-1 and despite the national party abandoning the race.

  457. mnw says:

    RRH comments gloomy today, because… Moore. Those damn Alabamans!

  458. Bitterlaw says:

    We should be accurate and refer to Moore as “twice suspended Judge Moore.”

  459. Redmen4ever says:

    scenario if Moore is removed:

    Gov. appoints temporary Sen., calls election, probably making it coincide with 2018 general election. No additional cost to taxpayer. This election gets lost nationally, as there are Senate battleground states elsewhere in the country.

  460. VictrC says:

    Hello my fellow HHR’ers

    Been awhile, but I still keep lurking and reading (try to skip past the arguments!!)

    My sixty cents on Moore (inflation from two cents) is that if he does win the election he should be seated and then subject to an ethics investigation by the Senate. As Bitter has so eloquently stated, no prosecutor would take this case right now, so let’s use the ethics committee to deal with the allegaations, and if true, he is expelled from the Chamber and a new election scheduled.

    Him dropping out makes no sense, as it just hands the seat to the democrats, and looking at the bigger picture (and as we can see with the tax bill defections), for the good of the country, it’s important that Republicans hold the Senate with as many seats as we can right now.

    Lest we forget the damage that Democrats imposed on the country during their holding of the Chamber (in combination with Pelosi) I think the whole “greater good” argument applies here. In the end I think the Senate Ethics committee will serve as the jury for Moore and find out if the allegations are true.

    BTW, Fraken et al should be subjected to the same committee and if proven guilty, expelled as well.

  461. Bitterlaw says:

    I am glad that the national GOP abandoned twice suspended Judge Moore. Why act like Democrats? The Alabama voters own this disaster no matter what happens.

  462. Trump says:

    Talk is cheap.

    Nobody has the guts, least of all Cory Gardner and Mitch McConnell, to not seat Moore if he is elected.

  463. Trump says:

    Simply because they don’t have the guts to remove Bob Menendez and Al Franken, to start with.

  464. Trump says:

    Witness the silence about Menendez and Franken from the POS McCain. And Cory Gardner.

  465. Bitterlaw says:

    Vic- Good to see you. I see your product on the NFL sidelines. I hope all is well.

  466. Trump says:

    Here’s the intrepid leader backing off:

    “Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., declined to say if he supports Gardner’s suggestion.

    “I’ve said this morning all I’m going to say about this, and others are speaking for themselves, and you all are reporting it,” he said while leaving the Senate chamber.”

  467. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw is becoming Robbie 2.0. He attacks Republicans 10x as much as he attacks democrats.

  468. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw belong with the RRH gang.

  469. Trump says:

    The moron is triggered by the takeover of the party by Trump.

  470. Trump says:

    The idiot doesn’t realize that GOP voters are not going back to the failed party leadership.

    If you have problems with Trump, wait till you see what comes after Trump.

    A glimpse: Roy Moore.

  471. Chicon says:

    Bitter, did Robbie leave in a Gary Maxwell style explosion?

  472. Tina says:

    Any updated polling for Al?

  473. MichiganGuy says:

    Tina, post #414

  474. MichiganGuy says:

    Jihadi Linda sarsour time magazine person of the year. Disgusting.

  475. mnw says:

    Tina

    All good. About 3 new ones today showing Moore ahead. Emerson is one of the 3. The trendline is unmistakable, IMO.

    About all that could go wrong for Moore is ANOTHER bombshell. I suspect the WaPo & Allred & the others who are directing this production have kept one in reserve— for the day before the GE.

  476. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon – Robbie just floats in and out. He takes breaks.

  477. Bitterlaw says:

    Bitterlaw is becoming Robbie 2.0. He attacks Republicans 10x as much as he attacks democrats.

    Bitterlaw belong with the RRH gang.

    Zzzzzzzzz. If I belonged there, I would post there. I am critical of Republicans who deserve criticism because I want them to behave better. I expect nothing from Democrats so why waste time on them? It is like the standing objection during testimony. Instead of objecting to every questions on a subject, you just say “Note my objection to this line of questioning.” You do not actually have to stand.

  478. Bitterlaw says:

    Why does my accurate reference to Moore as twice being suspended bother MG so much? It is true and confirms his contempt for the law. Republicans used to hate that kind of person. I guess Alabama likes it.

  479. Chicon says:

    This Moore v. Jones race is Trump v. Clinton writ small.

  480. Tina says:

    Where is emerson, or is emerson change?

  481. Chicon says:

    Tina, Emerson is hanging out with Palmer, Nash, and Young.

  482. Trump says:

    GOP voters like “that kind of person”. Witness Trump.

    Because the other types of GOP leaders (witness Jeb, Romney, et al) have constantly lied and sold out their voters.

    You won’t like what comes after Trump.

  483. Tina says:

    Allred has no credibility. She will lose her license, maybe.

    Horrible liar.

  484. messy says:

    If there was a “war on Christmas” you’d be forced to work on that day.

  485. Paul says:

    You won’t like what comes after Trump.

    Whatever comes, hopefully they will be arrested.

  486. Trump says:

    Who will arrest them, idiot?

  487. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon – I don’t know about that. Moore may actually be a bigger scumbag than Trump. Trump only wanted to date his daughter. Moore wanted to date everybody in Alabama’s teenage daughter. Quality of creepiness goes to Trump. Quantity of creepiness goes to Moore. At best, it is a tie.

    As for Jones, is he a criminal like Hillary or just a flaming lib?

  488. Paul says:

    Trump,
    Your comment appeared to mean that those who are coming will be even more willing to forego the law and constitution. I hope that either the voters keep them out or our checks and balances remove them and prosecute them if wrongdoing has occurred.

  489. Todd McCain says:

    You can look at the trend line fine, but I never believed that he was down 8 points.

  490. Chicon says:

    Bitter – I was thinking it was strange/creepy/personally defective Republican v. swine liberal. True that Hillary adds the criminal aspect that Jones doesn’t, to my knowledge.

  491. mnw says:

    Tina

    Emerson College poll today: 53-47 Moore. Poll conducted 11/25-27.

    https://Twitter.com/CLNS_NICK/status/9355110

  492. mnw says:

    Link is bad, but info is not. I copied it from RRH, & apparently THEIR link is bad.

  493. janz says:

    #473 – Vic, your post reflected “reason,” something that’s not always applied around here. Also, I agree with the concept of looking @ the “greater good,” in weighing the path forward.

    In the case of Alabama, it”s always seemed best that Moore’s candidacy proceed and be decided by the people in AL. What happens after that will be decided by a win or loss for him. If it’s the latter, his fate will be mitigated in Congress. If the former occurs, then a Dem wins.

  494. Paul says:

    500: He’s somewhere between Donnelley and McCaskill. I’m sure that means he’s a Stalinist for most on here.

  495. janz says:

    Correction….A win will be mitigated by congress, and a loss results in a Dem taking the Senate seat. More morning coffee is needed.

  496. Paul says:

    We, Dems, are likely encouraged by the Emerson poll moving 8 points toward Jones. I think Moore will likely still win unfortunately.

  497. Chicon says:

    Yo, Paulie. Had Trump run as a Democrat (not a big reach) and won the nomination to run against Mike Pence, who gets your vote?

  498. mnw says:

    See, Jones isn’t so bad! Just another McCaskill!

    /s

  499. Paul says:

    There is no way I would have voted for Trump as a Democrat with his racist, egotistical, anti-American views.

    And I don’t think he would have made it very far as a Democrat with those views. So, if he got the nomination he would have had to have been a very different person or really good at faking it.

  500. mnw says:

    Change Research poll today: Moore +5, 49-44.

    Their last poll had Jones +3.

    I’m sure that one is equally “encouraging” for the DEMs.

  501. Phil says:

    So if Jones were another McCaskill that would mean he votes like Schumer 100% of the time and at election time campaigns as a “moderate”

    Got it. LOL

  502. Paul says:

    So, if somewhere around 2012, Trump suddenly had a “come to Jesus” “Paul on the road to Damascus” moment. And he apologizes for the racist Birther nonesense. He apologizes for being such a creep with women in the past and promises to do better. And then began to campaign on bringing the nation together without mentioning a Muslim ban, or bad hombres, or wall against Mexico or locking up his opponents. Instead he campaigned on sensible pro-business policies, continuing Obamacare but making it work better, sensible pro-trade, and renewed sense of working together with our partners around the world……

    Then I would likely vote for him before Pence. Only then.

  503. Chicon says:

    512 – lots of smart people were certain Trump couldn’t win the Republican nomination. I agreed with them.

    And you didn’t answer – would you have voted for Pence?

  504. Paul says:

    See 515.

  505. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon – Good question. I would have been thrilled to vote for Pence. I wonder if some of our Trump supporters would have voted for him if he was a Dem. I think some might have done so.

  506. Chicon says:

    Paul, the main point is that it is a difficult spot to be in. Your conditions would never happen with Trump, so you would have voted for Pence. How would that feel?

  507. Paul says:

    Chicon: If Trump would switch parties and plan to run as a pseudo-Democrat in 2020 against Pence. I WOULD VOTE FOR PENCE in a heartbeat.

  508. Paul says:

    I’d still prefer Kasich or McCain over Pence but I suppose that isn’t a theoretical option 🙂

  509. Phil says:

    If and when Moore wins get ready for the mother of all tantrums to be thrown by the MSM.

    Get the popcorn ready because it will be absolutely epic. They have been unhinged since Trump won and this will absolutely put the Democratic media hacks in padded cells. They will be howling at the moon.

    Delicious.

  510. Chicon says:

    An interesting turn would be for Trump to run as an independent in 2020.

  511. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon – I could live with that. I could vote for a Republican in 2020. MG could vote for Trump.

  512. Paul says:

    Seeing the MSM meltdown will be so worth it even if it means an anti-Constitutional pedophile gets elected 🙂

  513. Paul says:

    If a Trump Democrat brings all the dixiecrats and protectionists home, I’ll be switching and joining the party of Lincoln.

  514. Chicon says:

    Paul, anti-constitutional is accurate. Pedophile isn’t, even if all allegations are true. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent children – Roy’s target market was teenage girls.

  515. Todd McCain says:

    There is no way that (assuming he runs), the GOP wouldn’t re-nominate Donald J. Trump.

  516. Phil says:

    No Paul. Has nothing to do with pedophile. (he’s not BTW) You’re just upset that Schumer isn’t going to get his senate liberal vote out of Alabama.

    I’m sure you’re fine with Franken and Menendez so cut the crap.

  517. mnw says:

    Phil

    Facts are just speed bumps for them.

  518. Paul says:

    If Kasich runs as a “unity ticket” or independent, would anyone here vote for him against Trump?

  519. Todd McCain says:

    Kasich would not be getting my vote.

  520. VictrC says:

    Bitter – Thanks! I hope all is well with you and your family.

    So, this is an interesting topic to address, “What comes after Trump?” What does…indeed

    It will be interested to what happens if Trump does decide to not run again in ’20 OR if he does run, and wins the primary, because there will be a primary, what happens in ’24.

    I do not see any clear Trump (ish) successor who can cobble together enough support to win as he did. Can anyone here name someone who is like Trump who could/would take over his mantle from that B anon n camp. I don’t see it.

    Given that, if there is no logical successor then who takes over the mantle/control of the party. Who is the new face of the Republicans and what is their politics? how do they heal the divide between Trump supporters and Republicans (because the two are not mutual).

  521. Phil says:

    Kasich? Why would anyone here vote for a RINO? I take it back. Robbie would no doubt enthusiastically support Kasich. Kasich hasn’t taken a conservative stand on an issue since he was elected governor. Three way race for the useful idiot award between McCain, Kasich, and McMullin.

  522. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    515. “Instead he campaigned on sensible pro-business policies, continuing Obamacare but making it work better, sensible pro-trade, and renewed sense of working together with our partners around the world…”

    You might ask Bernie Sanders what he thought of Obama’s “sensible pro-trade” views?

    As a Democrat, your focused on being anti-Trump; hope you realize that the Democrats are going to have a civil war over trade and business policies. Its going to be ugly in 2020.

  523. Tina says:

    I was kasich supporter, one of the few here in 2016,to the disappointment of the jebots.

    With that said, he may be a liberal to moderate r, in the mode of flub.

    So no.

  524. Tina says:

    We had the biggest cuts to the federal gubment seen and the most, if not the most, reg cuts. This is conservatism.

    No more compassionate liberalism, open borders, i put my hand on the bible stuff

  525. NYCmike says:

    “Given that, if there is no logical successor….”

    -I don’t know about that. If Pence sticks with Trump for 8 years (YUGE ASSUMPTION OF 2020 Victory), logic pretty strongly suggests that Pence would get the “Trump” support, and Trump would give him his support…..are those incorrect assumptions on my part?

  526. Todd McCain says:

    Trump ran in 2016 on a shoe string budget and still won; In 2020, he will have unparalleled financial strength as compared to the dem nominee as POTUS.

    Trump’s biggest problem is this never ending Russia investigation…..

  527. Tina says:

    Moore opponent is outspending Moore – 10 to 1.

  528. Bitterlaw says:

    Vic – There is no successor to Trump because he stands for nothing and has no core beliefs (despite being a Dem most of his life). Trump’s personality cult is based on being “anti” everything. That is how you destroy a party. It is not how you build one.

    I voted for Trump and will be happy to see him leave office. He was marginally the lesser of 2 evils against Hillary.

  529. Tina says:

    “The Marines made us yell ‘Geronimo’ when we jumped out of planes and that didn’t offend me either.”

    They are the greatest generation.

  530. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – Trump is not loyal to anybody. There is no reason to believe that he would support Pence.

  531. NYCmike says:

    “There is no reason to believe that he would support Pence.”

    -Agreed, to a point. IF, and this is pure speculation, after 2 terms as President with a VERY LOYAL Vice President, I think Trump would hold a spot for Pence….purely speculation.

  532. VictrC says:

    Bitter and NYC this is my point. There is no logical successor to Trump. I would be more than happy to have a President Pence, I think he is a very good man (Ive met him and he was extremely intelligent and kind to me) and I think the country would be in good hands, but he is the antithesis of Trump.

    So this is the reason for the question. Who succeeds him and where does that person (cause who knows, maybe its Nikki Haley) take the Party. What does the Republican party, or better yet, conservatism, look like in 2024.

  533. Chicon says:

    546 – Vic, I think what the GOP needs to learn from Trump – if it can get past the hate – is how to talk to the average middle class worker in the US. Like him or not, Trump activated that voter and won Rust Belt states as a result.

  534. Redmen4ever says:

    Donald Trump will not have access to the kind of cash that special interest groups pour into establishment candidates of both the left and the right. He is the anti-thesis of corrupt and is, in fact, incorruptible. Yet, nobody gives him credit for this. In this sense, he is a one-time phenomenon. I’m sympathetic to Steve Bannon’s argument that our side or his side can win via the people. But, I won’t believe it until I see the Trump phenomenon repeated. What I expect is for the donor class to figure out that they have to cut the middle class in on the deal. When the special interest groups grab so much that the median household is losing ground, anti-establishment candidates will rise up. The donor class may be slow on the uptake, but they’ll eventually figure this out.

  535. Trump says:

    “-I don’t know about that. If Pence sticks with Trump for 8 years (YUGE ASSUMPTION OF 2020 Victory), logic pretty strongly suggests that Pence would get the “Trump” support, and Trump would give him his support…..are those incorrect assumptions on my part?

    Yes.

    Trump voters don’t blindly follow Trump directions.

    Ask Luthar Strange.

    Any Trump successor would have to address voters’ concerns. I know, a novel concept.

  536. Trump says:

    All the losers mouth platitudes. With no credibility.

    Nobody believes idiots like Romney and Kasich and Je.

    That is why they lost.

  537. Trump says:

    Pence is no panacea for GOP.

    Remember, he barely won in 2012 (by 3 points) in ruby-red Indiana.

    And he was merely treading water in polls in 2016 before Trump bailed him out with his selection for VP.

  538. Trump says:

    “Trump’s biggest problem is this never ending Russia investigation…..”

    Only deadenders believe in Russia “investigation”.

  539. Trump says:

    “Chicon says:
    November 28, 2017 at 2:37 pm

    546 – Vic, I think what the GOP needs to learn from Trump – if it can get past the hate – is how to talk to the average middle class worker in the US. Like him or not, Trump activated that voter and won Rust Belt states as a result.”

    I have been saying this for ages.

    It’s a novel concept, talking about voters’ concerns.

    How come the “best and the brightest” 16 GOP stalwarts couldn’t figure that out?

  540. Chicon says:

    553 – good question. I’d think the fact that he won WI, MI, and especially PA, would give the national GOP peeps something to think about. I fear they’ll see Trump as some kind of one-time phenomenon that they don’t need to learn from. As a personality, he’s certainly a one-time phenomenon. But there are lessons to learn.

  541. Paul says:

    I’ve previously thought Trump might find a way to stay in office beyond 2024. I’m more hopeful today that the nation’s institutions may get stretched fairly far but will remain intact enough to prevent that possibility.

  542. Todd McCain says:

    TAX BILL PASSES BUDGET COMMITTEE: 12-11.

  543. DW says:

    headlines at Drudge:

    NKOREA FIRES ICBM
    FLIGHT RECORD: 50 MINS
    LANDS OFF JAPAN COAST…
    Nearly 600 Miles Away…
    SKorea stages ‘precision strike’ exercise…
    NK readies completion of nuke force…
    Hawaii brings back Cold War era sirens…

    And our media made fun of Trump for calling Un ‘Rocket man’

  544. NYCmike says:

    “I’ve previously thought Trump might find a way to stay in office beyond 2024.”

    -This has to be up there for the STUPIDEST comment of 2017, maybe even in the history of HHR.

  545. Trump says:

    Paul is concerned about Trump’s willingness “to forego the law and constitution. I hope that either the voters keep them out or our checks and balances remove them and prosecute them if wrongdoing has occurred.”

    How cute! Can you show one instance of Trump “foregoing the law and the constitution”?

    And where is your concern about Hillary’s and Obama’s “wrongdoing”? Shall we list them?

  546. Todd McCain says:

    Johnson and Corker both voted to advance the bill — this bodes well for both of them on the full floor vote.

  547. Chicon says:

    558 – it can only tie Polaris, who said BHO was going to do the same thing.

  548. Waingro says:

    Boom.

    Phil Kerpen?Verified account @kerpen

    Senate Budget Committee vote on tax bill: 12-11.

    Tax reform, individual mandate repeal, and ANWR advances to the Senate floor.

  549. Todd McCain says:

    562. AGREED, but this bill needs to get fixed.

    Upper middle income folks are going to take it on the chin. They have to get something of a SALT carve out in the final bill.

  550. Waingro says:

    #563, sounds like the below is what we may end up with. What Mitchy should do is ram through the tax bill separately and THEN put up Murray-Alexander for a stand alone vote.

    If Dems balk on that Murray-Alexander vote (since it would require 60) out of spite, that’s on them, and long term this could be a good thing in getting to break up the insurance cartel without a bailout.

    Leigh Ann Caldwell?Verified account @LACaldwellDC
    44m44 minutes ago

    A lot of movement to try and get @SenatorCollins on board:

    – Trump said he supports Alexander-Murray
    – Trump said he supports Collins-Nelson money for high-risk pools
    – Trump said he supports $10k deduction in property taxes for state and local
    3 replies 17 retweets 9 likes

  551. Todd McCain says:

    Good news; they need to get that 10K carve out in there or it will have a hard time passing the case.

    There are enough Blue State House Republicans to kill it.

  552. Wes says:

    Poster Trump forgets Pence ran only two points behind Mitt Romney in “ruby red” Indiana–which had elected Democrats to the governorship four times in a rown from 1988 to 2000 and voted for Obama in 2008–in 2012 and seven points ahead of losing Senate candidate Dick the Misogynist Bastard Mourdock, whose presence on the ticket after a remarkably idiotic remark caused every Republican running statewide in Indiana that year to lose ground in polling.

  553. Chicon says:

    564 – Trump will support whatever is put in front of him. All that’s needed is Congress to pass something.

    Cue Robbie to tell me I know nothing about how government works…..

  554. Waingro says:

    #565, that’s an easy sell. The other provisions will be harder pills for more conservative members to swallow.

    Like I said, I hope Mitchy is able to get Collins to agree to wait for votes on those other provisions as stand alones.

  555. Todd McCain says:

    Pence has an Hoosier Brain Trust in the White House.

    Pence has considerable influence over DJT in terms of policy.

    Every conservative should be thankful he is VP.

  556. Waingro says:

    #567, yup. It’s all on McConnell.

  557. Bitterlaw says:

    In other news, the Giants benched Eli Manning for Gino Smith. Damn. I wanted the Eagles to beat Eli again.

  558. Chicon says:

    Don’t worry, Bitter, reports suggest that the rest of the Giants team will be playing.

  559. Todd McCain says:

    Collins-Nelson is a good thing.

    High Risk Pools worked in states like Indiana and Wisconsin before the ACA blocked them.

  560. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    541. “There is no successor to Trump because he stands for nothing and has no core beliefs (despite being a Dem most of his life). Trump’s personality cult is based on being “anti” everything. That is how you destroy a party. It is not how you build one.”

    Have to disagree with you on this one Bitter. Trump has had a core belief system, and has been advocating it for several decades. He picked the moment to run when Americans wanted change, and were listening to him.

    Here is a YouTube video of him on Oprah in 1988, saying then what he said in his 2016 campaign.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI

    Too many of us, including myself, did not realize how powerful his message was. Polling is now showing that Republicans overwhelming support Trump.

    The Democrats had the same happen with Bernie Sanders; the voters of both parties have rejected their traditional elites. There is no going back for either party — Clinton, Bush, Obama are now irrelevant to the future.

  561. Paul says:

    Question: to bomb or not to bomb?

  562. DW says:

    “Upper middle income folks are going to take it on the chin.”

    I haven’t had a chance to look at it…can you give me some numbers to go with that to define ‘upper middle income’?

  563. Todd McCain says:

    Anyone really who itemizes their taxes:

    Personal exemption gone
    SALT gone
    Property tax deduction gone

    They need to get the carve out for SALT, which looks like it will happen.

    Additionally, looks like Collins is getting on board.

    If Collins and Murk are both on board, they are getting 50.

  564. Todd McCain says:

    I am also convinced McCain is going to support this.

  565. Chicon says:

    575 – Smithereens!

    Unfortunately, it is more than a simple bombing issue.

  566. Bitterlaw says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5124891/Harry-Meghan-marry-Windsor-Castle-MAY.html

    She will be baptized in the Church of England and become a British citizen. Why is Trump silent on these critical issues?

  567. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    543. “The Marines made us yell ‘Geronimo’ when we jumped out of planes and that didn’t offend me either.”

    Geronimo was politically incorrect, as his quote below shows. If alive today, he would probably had been at Trump’s side smirking at the fake Pocahontas joke.

    “When I was at first asked to attend the St. Louis World’s Fair I did not wish to go. Later, when I was told that I would receive good attention and protection, and that the President of the United States said that it would be all right, I consented … Every Sunday the President of the Fair sent for me to go to a wild west show. I took part in the roping contests before the audience. There were many other Indian tribes there, and strange people of whom I had never heard … I am glad I went to the Fair. I saw many interesting things and learned much of the white people. They are a very kind and peaceful people. During all the time I was at the Fair no one tried to harm me in any way. Had this been among the Mexicans I am sure I should have been compelled to defend myself often.”

  568. Chicon says:

    DW, what’s your take on the AL Senate race at this point?

  569. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    580. “She will be baptized in the Church of England and become a British citizen. Why is Trump silent on these critical issues?”

    Probably the same reason he did not object when his daughter married and became a Jew.

  570. mnw says:

    DW

    Between the good AL polls today (3, I think, all with Mmore winning), & the Senate vote, this is a very good day.

  571. DW says:

    583 – I really don’t have a feel for it. I have not followed it closely. Obviously conventional wisdom may have little to no value.

    My hunch about the direction says the race leans to Moore due to the eruption of accusations against that long list of names I keep posting. I think this may have softened some of the squeamish who might have voted for Moore but for the accusations. I mean if Al Franken gets to continue when there was PHOTOGRAPHIC proof of a recent abuse, many voters might think why not for unproven allegations from 40 years ago.

    Time will tell, but it looks like a coin-flip at this point.

  572. mnw says:

    DW

    I disagree about coin flip. Unless there’s another bombshell, I think Moore wins comfortably— hence the trendline in the RCP avg, & the trendline in the individual polls.

    Even RRH is acting gloomy now about stopping Moore.

    That said, Moore was never a favorite of mine, any more than Trump or all the other GOP bozos I’ve swallowed hard & voted for over the last 30 yrs.

  573. Todd McCain says:

    Court denied English’s request!

    Mulvaney in charge!

    Great day!!!!!

  574. gameboy says:

    Moore is going to win in a cake walk. The margin will be higher than what the polls showed prior to the allegations as there will be a “middle finger” element in play. Anyone who really believes that Jones guy will win in Alabama is truly delusional.

  575. Waingro says:

    BOOM. Bye Bye Pocahontus’s Dream.

    CNBC Now?Verified account @CNBCnow
    11m11 minutes ago

    BREAKING: Court denies restraining order requested by Obama-era CFPB appointee Leandra English, leaving Mulvaney in place as CFPB director.

  576. Waingro says:

    Only caveat is Pocahontas’s crowd will appeal to DC Circuit panel, which will likely draw in a majority of Barry holdover judges. This will go to SCOTUS.

  577. Chicon says:

    Thanks, DW. Interesting thought on Moore getting lost in the wash of other allegations. Franken and Conyers may have taken the edge off for Moore – if they
    don’t have to resign, what does Moore? Feels like maybe Moore’s issues have been absorbed.

  578. Redmen4ever says:

    Why you can fetch votes in a budget bill that you can’t on single issue bills: because you can slip in spending on Senator’s priorities. This is called log-rolling. I have always thought one-time payouts to secure long-term fixes was a good deal.

    This is why they have opaque doors at restaurants. Congress ain’t no sushi bar.

  579. Chicon says:

    Why does Moore…..

  580. Tina says:

    That was some deep state shenanigans by pochontas. Slapped down by the law.

    That agency should be disbanded.

  581. Tina says:

    The property tax deduction removal is stupid.

  582. Trump says:

    “Poster Trump forgets Pence ran only two points behind Mitt Romney in “ruby red” Indiana”

    Nobody should be taking Mitt Romney as standard of anything.

    Trump won 57-38 in “ruby-red” Indiana.

  583. DW says:

    “DW

    I disagree about coin flip.”

    That’s fine…my feelings are not at all strong about saying its a coin flip. There is still a lot of uncertainty. Moore could win by 10. But he could still lose. Its not like he was up by landslide numbers prior to the accusations. There are a lot of moving parts. Turnout. Undecideds finally getting around to deciding. Late new allegations.

  584. Trump says:

    And moreover, Romney won 54-44 in Indiana in 2012. At the same time that Pence squeaked by 49.5 to 46.6.

    In his home state, in ruby-red Indiana.

    Pence is not any kind of barn-burner.

  585. DW says:

    hmm…comment I posted is held up for moderation…will post in chunks to see where the problem is

    I am still looking for a poll in the RCP average that has shown movement TOWARD Moore after the allegations came out, when compared to a poll prior to the allegations or after the allegations.

  586. DW says:

    Fox: Tie to Jones +8
    Emerson: Moore +10 to Moore +6

  587. DW says:

    JMC Analytics: Moore +8 to Jones +4
    Opinion Savvy: Moore +5 to tie.

  588. DW says:

    FOX 10/Strategy Research: Moore +11 to Moore +6

  589. DW says:

    Strategy Research: Moore +11 to Moore +2

    This was the culprit row.

  590. DW says:

    I couldn’t say:

    Double-You, B R C hyphen TV

  591. DW says:

    I wonder how many guilty-but-not-yet-accused congress-critters there are out there who are very nervous and desperately want North Korea to hit something so a war can get started and therefore end the eruption of allegations.

  592. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Winning! Gregory Kapsas confirmed 50-48 as a Circuit Court Judge in the DC Circuit. All Democrats voted no except for Joe Manchin(WV).

  593. Chicon says:

    607 – good news. Whoever is in charge of coordinating the selection of judicial candidates appears to be doing an excellent job.

  594. Todd McCain says:

    It is the heritage foundation

  595. Proud Obamacon says:

    OMG are the Repugs finally going to pass this? Wow, awesome. Can’t wait to hang this around yall’s necks come 2018 LOL.

    Raising taxes on the poor sure is a winning ticket LOL Looosahs

  596. Trump says:

    POS, f off.

  597. jason says:

    Raising taxes on the poor sure is a winning ticket LOL Looosahs”

    You would know, as the Dems have been doing it for decades.

  598. Proud Obamacon says:

    Raising taxes and taking away healthcare from the very people who voted for you… Go Repugs LOL

  599. Proud Obamacon says:

    jason doesn’t even deny it LOL

  600. Trump says:

    They should add a provision in the bill that Democrats pay 10% higher taxes.

  601. Trump says:

    And when they squeal, make it 20%.

  602. Proud Obamacon says:

    “They should add a provision in the bill that Democrats pay 10% higher taxes.”

    Spoken like a true Anti-Democractic Autocrat. Heil Trump!

  603. Trump says:

    Evey sane person is anti-Democrat.

  604. Trump says:

    How did Nov 8 2016 feel, POS?

  605. jason says:

    “Repugs”

    In the Marxist moron world, this is supposed to be clever.

  606. jason says:

    jason doesn’t even deny it LOL”

    LOL, Marxist moron just admitted Dems have been raising taxes on the poor for decades.

    The truth will set you free.

    ObamaCON is so stupid he doesn’t see the irony of accusing others of “raising taxes”.