Jones Takes Lead in AL

Yesterday, The Washington Post came out with a new poll for the US Senate race in Alabama that goes against what other recent polling companies have been showing by giving Doug Jones a lead over Roy Moore.

Doug Jones (D) 50%
Roy Moore (R) 47%

this poll was done November 27-30 among likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 7:41 am
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167 Responses to “Jones Takes Lead in AL”

  1. mnw says:

    Oh, yes. Indeed, I think he has.

  2. mnw says:

    But only if I cook the books on the sample & ignore the RCP average… and the trendline… & 3 of the 4 most recent polls.

  3. mnw says:

    sb “You” not “I”

  4. jason says:

    Yes, let’s re-weight the polls…it’s the HHR thing to do.

  5. mnw says:

    I’m not reweighting a damn thing.

  6. messy says:

    only one out of four of the recent polls were outside the margin of error.

  7. messy says:

    President Trump, the man who lies when he says “hello”, says everyone else is lying about Russiagate, especially Comey.

  8. DW says:

    ABC fake news reporter canned for four weeks, no pay for his fake report of made up news. The only Russiagate is Hillary paying for the dossier.

  9. DW says:

    Al Franken (D) – Entertainer, US senator
    Al Green (D) – US Congressman
    Andrew Kreisberg (D) – Film producer
    Bill Clinton (D) – 42nd POTUS
    Bill O’Reilly (I) – Journalist/Entertainer
    Brett Ratner (D) – Film Producer
    Bruce Weber (D) – Fashion photographer
    Bryon Hefner (D)
    Charlie Rose (D) – Journalist
    Dan Schoen (D) – State senator, MN
    David Sweeney (D) – NPR Chief News editor
    Dustin Hoffman (D) – Actor
    Garrison Keillor (D) – Radio host
    Geoffrey Rush (D) – Actor
    George H. W. Bush (R) – 41st POTUS
    George Takei (D) – Actor
    Geraldo Rivera (D) – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush (D) – Journalist
    Harvey Weinstein (D) – Film producer
    Israel Horovitz (D) – Playwright, director, actor
    Jack Latvala (R) – FL state senator
    Jeffrey Tambor (D) – Comedian
    Jeremy Piven (D) – Actor
    Joe Barton (R) – US Congressman
    John Conyers (D) – US congressman
    John Lasseter (D) – Film director, animator
    Kevin Spacey (D) – Film producer
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Louis C.K. (D) – Comedian
    Mark Halperin (D) – Journalist
    Mascot – LA Kings
    Matt Lauer (D) – Journalist
    Michael Oreskes (D) – NPR VP of News
    Oliver Stone (D) – Film producer, director
    Raul Grijalvas (D) – US Congressman
    Richard Dreyfuss (D) – Actor
    Roy Moore (R) – Alabama judge
    Ruben Kihuen (D) – US Congressman
    Russell Simmons (D) – Music Mogul
    Steven Seagal (D) – Film producer
    Sylvester Stallone – Film actor
    Teddy Davis (D) – CNN senior producer
    Tony Cornish (R) – State representative, MN

  10. mnw says:


    From last thread:

    Thx for posting the FL Sen poll showing Scott well ahead of Nelson. I hadn’t thought of FL in awhile.

    GOP is going to have to pick off a couple that aren’t the usual suspects to make up for likely red-to-blue flips in NV and AZ.

    WI is another under-the-radar possibility for a GOP pickup. Nicholson will be a formidable challenger for Baldwin, imo.

    One thing, though. All the really close races usually break the same way.

  11. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    Hey @Comey, here’s one for you, McCabe, and @HillaryClinton:

    Luke 8:17 – For nothing is hid, that shall not be made manifest; nor [anything] secret, that shall not be known and come to light.

  12. Tina says:

    Messy is triggered by the presidents am tweets.


  13. Tina says:

    onald J. Trump
    People who lost money when the Stock Market went down 350 points based on the False and Dishonest reporting of Brian Ross of @ABC News (he has been suspended), should consider hiring a lawyer and suing ABC for the damages this bad reporting has caused – many millions of dollars!

    Messy, did this trigger you?

  14. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    Report: “ANTI-TRUMP FBI AGENT LED CLINTON EMAIL PROBE” Now it all starts to make sense!
    5:36 AM · Dec 3, 2017

    Or, messy, this one?

  15. mnw says:

    I think the 300 point dive, which lasted about as long as an April shower, was partially caused by skepticism that McConnell could pass the tax bill, too.

    I figure a failed tax bill vote is worth a 1500 point dive.

  16. Tina says:

    Yeah, it was prov. Due to,that but the chatrts do show a significant decline when abc came out with thenfake news.

  17. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    We usually think alike, but I respectfully disagree with you. Markets move quickly and panic sets in. Friday’s slide was caused solely by the ABC report and would have been more severe if not for the circuit breaker.
    By Friday morning, there was complete certitude that the Senate tax cut and reform legislation would pass.
    The question is whether there should be a price to pay by journalists’ employers for damage done via journalistic malpractice. What say you?

  18. dblaikie says:

    Ah, who to believe. Over Gallup Trump is 32% approval with adults. Over at Rassmussen Trump is at 44% with likely voters. Plus how do figure in the trump voters who won’t reveal their preference to the pollsters?

  19. jason says:

    I’m not reweighting a damn thing.”

    Ma, that is good bait, we reeled a big one in less than 2 minutes.

  20. Wobbles says:

    Ship made it to Waga Waga. It’s tough being on the only cruise ship in the world still without Internet.

    News of the Brian Ross fake news story on Trump has not reached me yet, so please excuse me for still believing it.

  21. Tina says:

    Even if the story is not true, it could be. And trump brought it all on himself because he tweeted.


  22. jason says:

    Hey messy, are you looking for whoppers?

    “As the FBI had confirmed, none of the emails I sent or received was marked as classified.”

  23. Tina says:

    FBrian Ross’s boss is Ian O. Cameron…….. The “Producer” behind the Fake-Flynn report……..He is Susan Rice’s husband…..

    Is this true?

  24. Wobbles says:

    Tina, thanks for posting for me. Saved me another $50.

  25. NYCmike says:

    Moore now down 3……this is going to be a crazy 9 days!

  26. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – Your “story” is an opinion piece. There is a difference.

  27. hugh says:

    Hi Lisab in response to the below. I agree with your general thought, but unfortunately the bonus part does not work well. I have lots of experience in this area. The DOL gets to keep the penalties it extracts from fines and while they say they do not use them for bonuses they do in fact pay bonuses as you recommend. Here is the problem. The govt has a huge sledge hammer which is very threatening. So the DOL agents who are young ignorant and political are very aggressive against every day business owners. They use subpoena powers when a letter would due. They threaten with theories that often contradict with other theories on the same facts and they use their huge power to extract penalties that are not due but are paid to avoid legal fees. They are the largest plaintiffs firm in the world and they are the most abusive of the abusive. They are best to my knowledge the only agency that gets to keep penalties they extract unlike the IRS. I deal with both and the IRS in my experience is reasonable the DOL are beyond abusive. If you want to change government let normal people sue them for incompetence like all the rest of us suffer from and that would change the govt overnight. If you want to pay them bonuses for collecting taxes and penalties. God help us.

    lisab says:

    December 2, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    Because the government has no incentive to provide anything efficiently.
    that is our fault. there is no reason we could not change how government works.

    for example, pay employees based on performance or if possible outsource the service to many multiple competing companies who can win more business by being more efficient within certain parameters.

    you caught a $10 million dollar tax fraud where we got a $2 million fine? great, here is a 200,000 bonus!

  28. J. Cutler says:

    Where’s Corey?

  29. jason says:

    Paying people for whistle blowing could reduce fraud but it still does nothing to the fact that by definition government has no incentive to be efficient.

    That is one of the big reasons communism and socialism don’t work.

    Fraud and inefficiency are not one and the same, although they can be connected.

  30. jason says:

    So J, looking for your last supporter?

  31. Tina says:

    Sounds like messy is a mess.

  32. hugh says:

    Jason. If government workers had bonuses and smaller pay and benefit, could be fired and the government could be sued like everyone else it would get better. However, I have little hope. big government and big business are unite against the rest of us.

  33. mnw says:

    We already pay whistleblowers all the time in qui tam actions, aka the Whistleblower Law.

    16000 more troops headed to S. Korea. Speaking of scary stuff that isn’t getting much attention, while the fake news industry pursued pervnado.

  34. mnw says:

    The govt gets sued like a piñata gets whacked on Cinco de Mayo!

  35. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Here is a tweet from conservative talk host Mark Simone:
    “After correctly predicting Charlie Rose and Matt Lauer, everyone keeps asking me who’s next? Let’s just say a very liberal, late night comedian, talk show host. (Hint: he’s not on every night.)”

    My surmise is the detestable Bill Maher!

  36. janz says:

    OT: yesterday, when picking up mail at our PO box, my husband noticed a bumper sticker on a new Porsche. Mind you this was put on an expensive car in CA. It said, “Suck it up! We survived your president. You can survive our’s.”

    Want to bet how long it will take for that vehicle to be keyed!

  37. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Your post is already dated. CBS/ YouGov just released an Alabama Senate Poll showing Jones(D) -6; Moore(R) 49%–Jones 43%

  38. mnw says:

    Thx, Sheep

    Is that still an interactive computer poll? Used to be.

    Chuck Todd & pals talkin’ up impeachment. I think the best thing that could happen to the lameadz GOP is for the DEM candidates to REALLY start campaigning in impeachment. Nancy Pelosivrecently advised her DEM colleagues not to fall into that trap.

  39. mnw says:

    I followed the link to the YouGuv poll site but still don’t know their methodology.

    They do tut-tut a lot about how the race is really tied… if you look at RVs instead of LVs! (If my uncle had ____, he’d be my aunt, too.)

  40. Tina says:

    It seems like with the recent tweets, the big ugly is comi g, likely after the rinos in congress finalize the tax bill.

  41. Tina says:

    And there will be perp walks….

  42. Tina says:

    Flynn has nothing on trump, flynn is immune from crimes under the obumbler. Remeber, he served under that administration too.

  43. mnw says:


    The best legal analyst I’ve ever read is Andrew McCarthy, the former Blind Sheik prosecutor. If you read his post-Flynn plea column, McCarthy thinks Mueller’s got a handful of nuttin.

    Why is Jared Kushner everywhere? Nobody voted for Trump’s odd SIL.

  44. Mr.Vito says:

    My BBWAA Hall of Fame Ballot

    Vlad Guerrero
    Trevor Hoffman
    Chipper Jones
    Edgar Martinez
    Fred McGriff
    Mike Mussina
    Scott Rosen
    Curt Schilling
    Jim Thome
    Larry Walker

  45. Mr.Vito says:

    Scott Rolen autocorrect

  46. Tina says:

    I have a problem with the fbi plea involving flynn, he was a member of the transition team. The fbi, without proof any crime, interferred with the work of an incoming administration, A transition member is not a private citizen, so that stupid act would not even apply.

    Flynn would not lie about his work, but he did. Why?

  47. Tina says:

    If the fbi got the information on a crime from the dosier and the warrant, it is and was illegal. So, any evidence is tainted.

  48. Tina says:

    Mnw, i read the okea agreement.

    I noticed spook and immunity under obama for flynn.

    I hope the judge tosses this sheot show, or the president just pardons him.

  49. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    Strzok was one of dozens on Mueller’s team, but the only one who got caught being overtly anti-Trump.

    The rest of those dozens are still there, they think exactly like Strzok, and just happen to be more careful.

    There’s your proof that it’s a witch hunt.

  50. mnw says:


    You follow the story far closer than I do. I just rely on Andy’s analysis usually.

  51. Tina says:

    Strozok seems crooked.

    He gave out immunity like candy during the fake clintune unvestigation.

  52. Tina says:

    I do too, he is great. I follow him for his legal opinion, as I do the ex oj attorney, Dershowitz.

    I am more convinced by the actions of sjw, the crook above, mccabe, and comedy that they particuipated in sime crooked sheot.

  53. Tina says:

    ichter Retweeted
    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    FBI’s motto is: ‘Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity’

    Comey, McCabe, and Strzok trashed every single one. Every. Single. One.

    The agents putting their lives on the line day in and day out deserve much better.

    But, but, but… comedy quotes bible scriptures.

  54. Tina says:

    Peter is the only ine who got caught, lol, he is a crook and shoukd be forced to resign. I know he now works in the fbi hr department, so he cannot phuq too many more things up.

  55. mnw says:

    As you might expect, an FBI agent in Billings, MT or Shreveport regards what they do at Main Justice as a different planet. As remote to day to day work as some other galaxy.

  56. Chicon says:

    34 – hugh, the things you cite are all legit, but imo the main issue is that the management has no fear that the customer can go elsewhere. This means no real incentive to demand the most out of employees. Competition works.

  57. jason says:

    know he now works in the fbi hr department,”

    Well, he will be busy recruiting moonbats probably.

  58. Tina says:

    Wray is a dissapointment, no way he and sessions did not know about pter the clintune protector.

  59. Tina says:

    Oh he will still phuq things up, but not as an investigator.

  60. jason says:

    Yes, government can be made to run MORE efficiently in terms of cost and accountability.

    But as Chicon points out, there is no competition and there is no incentive to be efficient. Good management doesn’t change that.

  61. Tina says:

    Peter played a role in the dossier too.

  62. Tina says:

    Pompeo destroyed pinata at the reagan library.

    I actially liked pinata, even though he was unfit for cia.

  63. jason says:

    The Washington Times article makes sense to me.

    However I read somewhere the first day that the judge said Flynn’s plea required him to give evidence against a high ranking official, but I haven’t seen much about it since.

  64. Bitterlaw says:

    Flynn felt he had a reason to seek a deal. He took it. We’ll see what it means eventually.

  65. Mr.Vito says:

    “Flynn’s plea required him to give evidence against a high ranking official”


    ha ha

  66. mnw says:

    Trump’s first tweet of the day was at 5:15am. Early riser.

  67. Tgca says:


    I’ve been told I’m an early riser too.

  68. Bitterlaw says:

    I sleep terribly. I wake up several times in the middle of the night. For some reason, my wide never wants to talk at 3:20 a.m.

  69. Tgca says:


    Oh, you’re talking about sleep? I misunderstood.


  70. Tgca says:


    Well,, I’m wth you. I awake 3 to 4 times nightly and sleep in increments of 1 to 3 hours at most. I’ve taken 2 sleep studies. One suggested apnea, the other did not. Dr suggest other sleep disorders may be at play. I still am able to go into dream mode and I remember quite a bit of them, maybe because I awake often and they’re fresh on my mind. Now…if you only knew what I dreamt of…

  71. Tgca says:

    I am so amazed that Mueller and the FBI are getting away with lying, misleading, breaking laws, and obstructing Congress. Isn’t this what they are investigating others for supposedly doing? I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone here. This is all a$$ backwards.

  72. mnw says:

    Collins going wobbly on tax bill again.

    I still rate passage as 50/50…at best.

  73. JC says:

    mnw says:
    December 3, 2017 at 2:17 pm

    Collins going wobbly on tax bill again.

    I still rate passage as 50/50…at best.

    Honestly, the house should just pass the senate version as is and send it to the president. This entire tax bill is riding on a razor thin, unstable coalition. All it takes is 2 flips to nuke it and with McCain, Flake, and Collins in the mix, why the hell risk it?

    Just pass it.

  74. Tina says:

    Yeah, basically the house should agree to the senate bill, close it out.

  75. Redmen4ever says:

    We’re not looking so good on the Generic Congressional. BUT the economy is moving like gangbusters. I’m thinking there’s a good chance we’ll hold the House and make significant gains in the Senate. So, we shouldn’t worry about squeezing everything we can out of tax reform this biennium. Slam dunking the Senate version is a good idea.

  76. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is the language in the Flynn plea agreement that refers to him possibly testifying against another person. It is the 12th paragraph on page 9 of a 10 page document.

    “The government will bring the Court’s attention at the time of sentencing the nature and extend of your client’s cooperation and lack of cooperation. The Government will evaluate the full nature and extend of your client’s cooperation to determine whether your client has provide substantial assistance in the investigation or prosecution of another person who committed and offense.”

    It goes on to say this will be a factor in whether to imposes a lesser sentence than required in the sentencing guidelines.

    This sounds like a boiler plate provision, that may be contained in a standard for plea agreement. Almost all the document appears to be boiler plate language.

  77. janz says:

    ” I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone here.”

    tgca – you have described the feelings of frustration so many feel when looking at our so-called federal depts overseeing national security and unbiased justice.

    San Diego — Mueller is placing Flynn between a rock and hard place, in being unrelenting until he squeezes something/anything out of him that will fit Mueller’s own narrative of what he wants out of this investigation — to hang Trump or someone close to him.

  78. mnw says:


    Bingo. Boilerplate. Not guessing. Stating as fact.

  79. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    81. Mueller’s charge is to oversee the investigation of alleged Russian influence in the 2016 election. The facts will lead where they may. There is not an issue with Trump or anyone in his campaign talking to or referring to the Russians; the issue is was there was actual collusion.

    Flynn had seriously compromised himself by his lobbying on behalf of Turkey and others during the campaign. Trump made the right decision to terminate him. If he knows something that the Trump campaign did that involved actual collusion with the Russians, then it will come out. After almost a year of investigation, nothing has so far emerged. There is very little smoke, and no fire.

    Also I respect Mueller, he was a distinguished Marine officer in Vietnam, won a Bronze Star for bravery. He is also a Republican. Do not necessarily see him as out to get Trump. It will take actual evidence of collusion, which the public will have the right to review.

    It would take a 2/3 vote of the Senate to remove Trump as president, so it would require a high threshold of proof.

  80. jason says:

    80. Thanks… yeah it sounds more like standard language, maybe that’s why Wobbie is not calling from Waga Waga.

  81. jason says:

    Wow, only 17% of AL Republicans believe the allegations against Moore, suggesting his campaign has done a good job in countering them, and probably Gloria ALL Red has helped too.

  82. Gpo says:

    mnw says:
    December 3, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    The best legal analyst I’ve ever read is Andrew McCarthy, the former Blind Sheik prosecutor. If you read his post-Flynn plea column, McCarthy thinks Mueller’s got a handful of nut tin

    Don’t know if you saw his follow up to his initial article

  83. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Waga Waga is such a party place, assume Robbie is hung over with too much rum and sangria.

    Plus the iguana’s are known to bite trolls.

  84. mnw says:


    Thx, I had not.

  85. Wobbles says:

    Plus the iguana’s are known to bite trolls”

    Ahhh, that’s the reason, I thought it was my cologne.

    I started wearing it after none of the women on the ship seemed interested in seeing my JEB! 2016 button collection.

  86. jason says:

    What it looks like is that the MSM and a lot of liberals in government agency positions are working hand in hand for their cause.

    Pretty scary, but its a logical consequence of the highly partisan people Obama appointed/hired during his 8 years in office.

  87. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    89. Robbie will like the women of Waga Waga; their nose rings are very colorful.

    However, hear through the coconut vine that on the cruise ship a concerned Robbie went up to the Captain and told him “I really like this ship, too bad your going to cause us a hit a reef and sink with no survivors.” Shortly afterwards, the ship intercom announced: “troll overboard.”

  88. Ron N says:

    Wow just made a mistake spent a few minutes watching CNN and they were talking about President Trump bashing the FBI. Because of a none important FBI agent might have sent some distasteful texts. Now that is why they are Fake New!!

  89. jason says:

    “distasteful texts”


  90. janz says:

    Gpo, that was a good analysis by NRO’s Andrew McCarthy.  Unlike what SDC seems to think about the intentions of Mueller’s investigation, McCarthy sees is quite differently.

    “The end game is the removal of Trump, either by impeachment or by publicly discrediting him and making his reelection politically impossible.”

    So far this is how I see Mueller’s actions trending too.  He is twisting arms, busting into homes, and intimidating any and all who have been close to Trump.  I basically don’t like the man’s strong armed methods.

    McCarthy goes on further, in that same article, speculating why the Obama Administration wanted to investigate Flynn in the first place, leading to the FBI interview. 

    “I believe the explanation is threefold: (1) to punish Flynn, and derivatively the incoming Trump administration, for opposing Obama’s anti-Israel legerdemain in the Security Council; (2) to promote the political narrative that Russia–Trump collusion had cheated Clinton out of her rightful election victory; and (3) to tie this collusion narrative to sanctions relief, thereby making it politically impossible for Trump to roll back Obama’s sanctions once he was sworn in — a boon for the Democrats’ collusion narrative since the sanctions stand as a reminder of Russia’s election meddling.”

    Basically, the Obama Administration did everything they could, prior to Trump’s inauguration, to place tack strips down in order to derail Trump’s term in office.  From relaxing NSA data sharing rules, last Dec/Jan, providing a greater opportunity for leaks to occur; to putting sanctions on Russia as he was exiting; to, as some speculate, bait Trump into intervening in those last minute sanctions that might lead to a conflict with Russia, which then could conveniently lead to a “collusion” charge; to creating a resistance post presidency that would demean, smear, and hamper Trump’s agenda at every turn of his presidency. 

  91. jason says:

    Interesting, in AL you can vote for Moore without voting for Moore.

    “Murray also pointed out that in Alabama, Republican voters uneasy with Moore can select a straight Republican ticket instead of marking the box next to Moore’s name — even though the Senate race is the only contest on the ballot. That could lead to more votes for him than poll respondents who are willing to admit that they intend to cast a vote for him later this month.”

  92. Bitterlaw says:

    No boycott. Go Eagles!

  93. Michael says:

    Wes I had a date last night and I have another date tonight. Two days in a row with two different girls. So you can shut up.

  94. JC says:

    Easy prediction;

    Moore will outperform his poll numbers.

  95. Bitterlaw says:

    Good luck, Michael.


  96. Bitterlaw says:


  97. Mr.Vito says:

    “Two days in a row with two different girls. So you can shut up.”

    Pre op or post op.


  98. jason says:

    Bitter’s position on the NFL is the same as his position on the communist Pope.

    Stick head in sand.

  99. jason says:


  100. JulStol says:

    “Wes I had a date last night and I have another date tonight. Two days in a row with two different girls. So you can shut up.”

    Were you wearing your salmon jacket on either of these dates?

    I thought sexual orientation wasn’t a choice?

  101. jason says:

    Wentz looks off his game tonight. Good game for that though, doesn’t mean much. And of course there is a lot of game left.

  102. Tgca says:

    101 Yo Vito

    That made me laugh.

  103. jason says:

    Easy prediction;

    Moore will outperform his poll numbers.”

    Yep, I still think most of the undecided are Rs ashamed to say they will vote for him. Many of them will end of voting for him though.

    60/40 Moore. A huge black voter turnout could hurt him, although that would be an anomaly in an off year election.

  104. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – The Eagles are having an amazing season. I am going to watch it. GFY.

  105. jason says:

    Wilson, on the other hand, looks like he came to play.

  106. jason says:

    I am watching too. But I am enjoying the NFL taking a big financial hit, and I hope it ends up costing the players a lot of money too.


  107. jason says:

    Yep, normally the Broncos have amazing seasons and the Eagles suck.

    Nothing is forever.

  108. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – You still have not told me whether I am allowed to go to Mass. I checked. There is only one Roman Catholic Church.

  109. Chicon says:

    112 – Bitter, of course you can go to church. You’re always welcome. Just look out for the lightning bolt…..

  110. JulStol says:

    I’m not even Catholic and I occasionally attend mass. I’m reasonably certain I’m not even a Christian anymore.

    If I don’t turn into a pillar of salt, the Bitter one will be fine.

    The ritual nature of Catholicism is rather comforting.

  111. jason says:

    You can keep on going to Mass and keep pretending the Pope is only relevant to Church matters.

    The ostrich syndrome by Catholics that should know better will come back to haunt the Church sooner or later, probably sooner.

  112. jason says:

    I know people who keep saying “but the Pope is getting good press for the church”.


    The MSM is not a friend of the Catholic Church, but they are happy to use the Pope to foster their anti-capitalism, demonize the rich and wealth, promote global warming alarmism, etc.

    While Bitter goes to Mass and keeps saying “I know nothing, I see nothing, I hear nothing”…


  113. jason says:

    “There is only one Roman Catholic Church”

  114. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – When did I say that I aporove of the Pope’s political statements? I never did. However, the Pope’s politics are irrelevant to my faith.

    I know that you are intelligent. However, you seems to think that I get a vote on selecting the Pope. I don’t.


  115. Bitterlaw says:

    The MSM likes the Pope’s politics. I do not. What am I supposed to do? Skip Mass until there is a new Pope? You keep criticizing me but ignore my request on what you think I should do.

  116. MichiganGuy says:

    “Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell changed his tone Sunday on whether he thought Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore should be in the Senate, saying he would “let the people of Alabama make the call” in the state’s special election December 12.”

    I guess Mitchy finally realizes Moore will be the next great Senator from Alabama. Poor Mitchy millions of dollars down the drain. Oh, well. 🙂

  117. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It looks like that sinister combination of the anti-environmentalist Kennedy & Koch families have killed the wind turbines planned off Cape Cod.

    “Energy Management Inc. has ceased efforts to build what was once expected to become the first offshore wind farm in the U.S., according to an emailed statement from Chief Executive Officer Jim Gordon. The project’s Boston-based developer has already notified the U.S. Bureau of Ocean Energy Management that it has terminated the offshore wind development lease it received in 2010.
    Cape Wind suffered a slow death. Efforts to develop the 468-megawatt offshore farm, proposed to supply power to Cape Cod and the islands of Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket, began in 2001 but came up against relentless opposition from a mix of strange bedfellows including the Kennedy family and billionaire industrialist William Koch. While Energy Management won several court battles, the project couldn’t survive the 2015 cancellation of contracts to sell its power to local utilities.”

    Have always wondered why that great environmental leader, Governor Brown of California, has not proposed wind turbines off Malibu, San Francisco and Santa Cruz? After all, he is among the world’s leading crusaders to Save the Planet.

    Liz, know you express concern about climate change all the time. What is going on in Massachusetts? After you place more coal in your heater, you might want to inform us about this Koch & Kennedy alliance.

  118. Bitterlaw says:

    The Pope is a liberal. The MSM loves him. I do not like his politics but have absolutely no impact upon him.

  119. Tina says:

    Peter Strzok

    This guy appears more croked than crooked hillary, comedy, and mccabe. He is involved everywhere.

  120. Tina says:

    First never trump senator hatch comes aeound and noww rich lowry

  121. Wes says:

    Mike is really upset I said he’s as much a virgin as Corey, isn’t he? Of course I’ve probably had more pinocha in my life than he can expect to get in 10, so I’ll just sit back and let him keep lashing out at me. It’s actually rather cute.

  122. Wes says:

    Bitter seems to have this position on the NFL:

    Players don’t want people to watch the games because they’d rather feel vindicated about calling people racist than continue to have the organization make the money for all their lucrative contracts.

    How that makes anything remotely resembling sense I have no freaking idea.

  123. Wes says:

    I converted to Catholicism in 1999. My daughter was baptised a Catholic. I switched over to agnosticism/atheism/apathism in 2011. I’d probably ignite a city block if I walked into a church now.

  124. Wes says:

    People on here keep saying Roy Moore will beat Jones easily and outperform his polling spread.

    This line of thinking ignores the Indies on the ballot and the fact that Republicans have chronic underperformer Roy Moore as their candidate.

  125. Bitterlaw says:

    Why do they keep protesting, Wes? They made their point but keep doing it.

  126. Tgca says:

    125 Wes

    Leave Mike alone. He’s going through an experimental phase with vagina. I’m sure you remember your 1st experiences. Give the kid a break.

  127. Wes says:

    It’s cool, Tg. I’m glad Mike has decided he prefers internal plumbing to external. Even so, seeing his sniping at me because of an offhand comment I made weeks ago and promptly forgot is incredibly amusing.

  128. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes still has good options – Druid. Wiccan, Hindu. I would advise against Judaism because I hate most of the food but Wes might like it.

  129. Wes says:

    You really don’t get it, do you, Bitter?

    They expect you and every other American to be a captive audience to their politicking.

    Once the NFL suffers a revenue shortfall that cuts off the spigot of money pouring out their lucrative contracts, they’ll stop.

    Feeling vindicated about calling peoplr racist is a lot less satisfying when the repo man has one’s Jaguar and the bank puts his house up for auction.

  130. Wes says:

    Saying “That white guy living in the suburbs with his factory job and 2.8 kids is a racist” doesn’t pay the players’ creditors nor cover child support for eight kids, alimony for two ex-wives, and the current one’s expensive tastes in clothes, jewelry, food, and travel.

    Making $10 million a year does.

    Go on believing they’d rather feel vindicated about calling you a racist than continue to live the high life though.

    The irony is that YOU are giving them exactly whst they want by giving them a forum to show you a giant collective middle finger.

  131. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Many of the protesters know all of that but they protest? Why? I think they prefer to feel good about what they see as racist fans. They are not losing any money this year. I would have to check when the next tv deal is up for negotiation. That is the key to the NFL’s money.

  132. Wes says:

    They protest because they expect to get away with it, Bitter. They can feel good about calling me racist all they want–from their new jobs in the fast food and construction industries after the NFL can no longer afford to pay them eight digits a year off stadium attendance averaging 5,000.

  133. Bitterlaw says:

    You can’t have it both ways, Wes. You said it was ok for you to not vote for President at times because your one vote did not matter to the outcome. My tv does not matter to the ratings.

    Even though the Eagles are sucking tonight, this is the best team since 2004. Why should I not watch?

  134. Bitterlaw says:

    Let me know when stadium attendance averages 5,000. The Eagles have at least 30,000 on the season ticket waiting list.

  135. Bitterlaw says:

    If the Niners did not blow this year, Wes might feel differently.

  136. Wes says:

    You for some reason think they win when the NFL sees massive revenue shortfalls that negatively affect their paychecks.

    Well, if what they want is unemployment for insulting me every week, I’ll give it to them.

    I refuse to bea captive audience to a bunch of solipsistic divas.

  137. Wes says:

    The Niners started this idiocy, Bitter. They can all GFT till they stop this idiocy.

  138. Wes says:

    I don’t care if you watch or not, Bitter. My argument is with your belief that Phil and I and others who refuse to give the players a forum to insult us are somehow giving them what they want.

    Well, if nosediving ratings is truly what they want, then I’m happy to comply with their wishes.

    I think you came up with the tortuous logic that led to your inane conclusion to justify to yourself providing a forum to people who look down on you.

    Whatever helps you sleep at night…

  139. Chicon says:

    Ticket revenue is a very small part of an NFL team’s revenue. It is the ratings that matter – at the next renewal. In addition, ESPN may not be financially strong enough to be a serious player next time.

  140. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes also ignores that part of the ratings decline is due to streaming services that are not measured in the ratings. Of course, Wes thinks that the NFL could drop to 5000 fans per game per stadium. Delusional. If the Cleveland Browns don’t average 5000, no team ever will.

  141. Wes says:

    That was a number I threw out as an example, Bitter.

    Of course 145 comes from a guy who has stated on here Lincoln unilaterally ended slavery. I’m sure Thaddeus Stevens would take issue with that.

    Good one there, Bitter.

  142. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes’ link listed 4 reasons for declining ratings. The protests were 4th out of 4 reasons.

  143. Bitterlaw says:

    You are such a sad pathetic liar, Wes. I never said Lincoln unilaterally ended slavery. What I said was that it would not have ended when it did without Lincoln pursuing a Union victory and advocating the end of slavery as the war progressed to its conclusion.

    Of course, I would expect nothing less from an apologist for slavery. GFY.

  144. Wes says:


    The article didn’t say the reasons were in descending order of effect, Bitter. You should probably read more carefully next time.

    You haven’t tried to refute 142 either.

    I rest my case.

  145. Wes says:

    You actually are lying right now, Bitter.

    You never said anything like what you just posted in 148.

    You have always made the claim Lincoln ended slavery.

    That betrays a woeful lack of knowledge on your part regarding the amendment process in the Constitution.

    As for apologizing for slavery, come back to me when you’re not making excuses for why the Emancipation Proclamation kept all slaves in the Union in bondage and can be bothered to criticize any of the non-white, non-Southern slavers living today.

  146. Chicon says:

    124 – Lowry’s article is a pretty sober, balanced look at the Trump Administration to date, from a guy and organization who don’t like him.

  147. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzz. I start watching games when they kickoff. There are no protests during the games. What do I need to refute?

    As for the article, you must not have read it carefully. Your point is that the protests are killing the ratings. To prove this point, you cite an article that lists 4 reasons that the ratings have declined.

  148. Chicon says:

    For this current football fan, and former football nut, the NFL began to lose its grip on me a couple years prior to Colin’s kneel. Not sure why, but true for me.

  149. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzzz. Delicate flower just can’t remember our past discussions. He knows I explained every point he raises.

    You called slavery “wrong.” I called it “evil.” Words have meaning. You should be ashamed but I don’t think you have the capacity for that.

  150. Wes says:

    So slavery’s evil–just not when Lincoln let it continue or when non-Southerners are conducting it, Bitter.

    Just so long as I know where you’re coming from on this…

  151. Bitterlaw says:

    It was evil. You only think it was bad when non- Southerners were involved. You claim to understand history but ignore the fact that if the Emancipation Provlamation had applied to all states, the slave holding states remaining in the Union would seceded. The Confederacy would have won and slavery would have continued for decades. You would have liked that outcome. Own it.

  152. Wes says:

    I read it quite carefully, Bitter. I knew it cited four reasons before I posted. You acted as if it were giving reasons in descending order. In reality, it cites them at random and assigns no weight to each reason.

    It does at least acknowledge the kneeling is causing the ratings drop and consequent revenue shortfall.

    You act as if it’s some kind of bonanza for the players ehen viewers don’t tune in.

  153. Chicon says:

    One of these days Wes or Bitter will completely cave on the slavery issue. Then on the church thing. Then on to resolving the GWB DUI.

  154. Wes says:

    In other words, you’re still making excuses for how Lincoln worded the Emancipstion Proclamation.

    Get back to me on the apologist issue when you’re not apologizing for keeping people enslaved vis a document claiming to free them.

  155. Tgca says:

    Omg! I just read the pathetic Billy Bush op-ed in the NYT that Drudge linked. Looks like he is groveling and looking for a way back into the limelight. We’re all supposed to believe he really feels the pain of the wonen who accused Trump now? How about the pain of the number of women who felt degraded and helpless to say anything after Ole Grandpa Bush grabbed them Billy?

    Oh, and Billy now claims he is a better man and father to his 3 teenage daughters now because of what he experienced the last year. Probably because he is home spending more time with them than out and about getting paid to engage in trashy locker room talk with celebrities.

    I guess he is thanking Trump for giving him the opportunity to be a better father. You’re welcome Billy. Now keep your daughters away from Granda Bush.

  156. Bitterlaw says:

    If Lincoln had lost the war, slavery would have lasted for decades. I explained the Emancipstion Proclamation. A hard choice was made that lead to a Union victory.

    You are an apologist for slavery in the South. Of course, you dismiss it as a simple “wrong.”

  157. Tgca says:

    I think Wes and Bitter were passionate lovers in another life. I’m awaiting the big embrace moment where they face off and drill into each other’s eyes and the animosity gives into the raw carnal passion they so long struggle against.

    …this while Michael is creating his own Vagina Monologues.

    We are indeed in the era of the Twilight Zone.

  158. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes only succeeds with emotionally damaged women. I don’t think I fit the bill in this life or any others.

    As for Michael, it is his life. I don’t know how any man could give up touching breasts.

  159. Tgca says:

    Well Bitter, I gave up breasts. Sausage and bacon too. Been vegetarian for a year now.

  160. lisab says:


    two points.

    a.) i was really speaking to the general idea than the actual example,


    b.) if bonuses were generally tied to fines, and were scaled to crimes, i.e. the avg. $100 speeding ticket would say generate say $2, but a $1,000,000 fine would generate say $200,000

    then the federal employees would have no desire to waste their time on chasing down small fry. why spend 10 hours going after a small business owner for a $100 loading/unloading violation when you could go after a major company, where you could double or triple your salary?

    true, we want some crimes by regular people prosecuted, like duis, but we could simply make the bonuses attractive for little work.

  161. lisab says:

    the reason the current system sucks is that federal employees know that they get paid the same no matter what they do

    so they have every incentive to go after smallfry who cannot fight back.

    oil companies and insurance companies have lawyers. small business owners do too, but they would prefer not to pay them — so they often settle.

    i would make the system favor leaving the little guy alone unless the crime was pretty big, like a dui or assault etc.