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Moore Leads Jones By 3% in AL

Emerson College released their latest numbers for the race in Alabama and it shows the race getting a little tighter, but Roy Moore holding a 3% lead over Doug Jones.

US SENATE – ALABAMA (Emerson)
Roy Moore (R) 49%
Doug Jones (D) 46%
Lee Busby (I) 5%

This poll was done November 30-December 2 among likely voters.

Right now, The Washington Post is out there by themselves showing Doug Jones with a lead. Everyone else is showing a lead for Roy Moore.

Posted by Dave at 12:30 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (387)

387 Responses to “Moore Leads Jones By 3% in AL”

  1. Redmen4ever says:

    Melania Trump has adorned the White House, this Christmas season, with elegance. Meanwhile, over in the Capitol, we saw Senators adorning a Christmas Tree of tax reform with all kinds of decorations.

    Twenty percent for the C-corp, the trust-fund and money pass-through’ed.
    Zero brackets and child credits that in seven-year will have to be renewed.
    Phase-ins, phase-outs, and special provisions galore,
    In the hope that in two years we’ll be back for some more.
    And on top of it all, Mitch McConnell said with a squeal,
    Something we couldn’t get on its own, skinny repeal.

  2. Blobbie says:

    Santa Claus is a foreign citizen

    having a Christmas tree at the White House

    is another violation of the Logan Act

    you losers!

  3. NYCmike says:

    Robbie is always good for a laugh!

  4. NYCmike says:

    “That said, I’m sure HHR’s biggest fraud Jason Trump and Ted Cruz loving, constitutional conservative Mikey-poo….”

    -“Mikey-poo”?

    And you want to be taken seriously?

  5. DW says:

    –from RRH:
    “BREAKING: Sentences for ex-U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown (D) and conspirators:
    Brown (D) – 5 years; 3 years of probation.
    Ronnie Simmons (D) (former chief of staff) – 4 years; 3 years probation.
    Carla Wiley (D) (started fake charity all three used as slush fund) – 1 year, 9 months; 3 years probation.”

    Editor’s note: I had to add the party ID to the names.

  6. Tina says:

    It is muh collusion written from the carnival cruise ship.

  7. biomom says:

    I don’t think there is such a crime as “collusion”.

  8. BRENT says:

    anyone have the party id or breakdown on women vs men for this poll,im sure its way skewed as most polls are even though they show moore with a lead

  9. Chicon says:

    4 – just a drive-by today for the pilot. He’s not here for discourse.

  10. Trump says:

    ““That would be if Russia interfered with the election”

    What does “interfered” even mean?

  11. Trump says:

    I remember Vicente Fox blabbing the whole of last year about Trump and the wall.

    Did Mexico “interfere” in the US elections?

  12. Tina says:

    Sorry, muh collusion is no more. It is now muh obstruction.

  13. Trump says:

    “Mexican president disputes Trump over border wall payment discussion”
    Stephen Collinson Profile

    By Stephen Collinson and Jeremy Diamond, CNN
    Updated 5:44 PM ET, Thu September 1, 2016″

    Did Mexico “interfere” in the 2016 election?

  14. Chicon says:

    12 – they also sent a bunch of illegals who ended up actually voting. Did Russia interfere that much?

  15. Tina says:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-what-really-happened-with-the-gop-platform-and-russia/article/2641705

    Nothing was taken out of the gop platform. It had language in there dealing with the russians, which the drats did not have,

  16. Tina says:

    Impeachment odds declin, i bet the cruise ship passenfger missed this.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/trump-impeachment/547358/?utm_source=feed

  17. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    4. “Robbie is always good for a laugh!”

    No kidding. His comments on a prior post about Trump opposing Romney’s Senate bid because he was concerned over his impeach vote were utter nonsense. He just likes to make things up and claim they are factual.

    The rumor is during his cruise, Bogo Pogo deported him to Fantasy Island.

  18. Tina says:

    Chuck and piglosi have a thursday meeting with trump.

    Government funding ends this week. Shutdown?

  19. Trump says:

    “RICH LOWRY: But Gorsuch … and Other Excellent Judicial Picks … and a Tax Cut … and Major Deregulatory Actions … and Immigration Enforcement … and the End of the Individual Mandate … and a Roll Back of the HHS Mandate …”

    There is redemption for the more moderate NeverTrumper.

  20. Tina says:

    The tonga room has a seminar on muh collusion

  21. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 4, 2017 at 12:51 pm
    Robbie is always good for a laugh!

    – Whereas you are a perpetual joke.

    No doubt a Ted Cruz loving, constitutional conservative like yourself is totally cool with the silly notion a president is immune from an obstruction of justice charge. Of course, you’re dumb enough to believe good ole Roy is innocent and it’s all a leftist antifa conspiracy to elect Doug Jones.

  22. mnw says:

    I would’ve preferred that Trump stay out of the UH Senate contest. What’s the big deal if Romney gets it? In general, intervening in GOP primaries is a very poor idea.

    (I don’t consider his early endorsement in MO to be that, btw, because Hawley is universally regarded as the de facto nominee already.)

  23. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 4, 2017 at 12:52 pm
    “That said, I’m sure HHR’s biggest fraud Jason Trump and Ted Cruz loving, constitutional conservative Mikey-poo….”
    -“Mikey-poo”?
    And you want to be taken seriously?

    – You supported Sharron Angle, COD, Ken Buck, Richard Mourdock, and Chris McDaniel. I stopped taking you and your Tea Party idiocy a long time ago. Oh, and you believe Roy Moore as well.

  24. Tina says:

    I prefer that quittens stay out of utah. We will be a disappointment. Gop e wing. Big gubment, national healthcare, and a globalist.

  25. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 4, 2017 at 1:04 pm
    4 – just a drive-by today for the pilot. He’s not here for discourse.

    – I’m right here, Trump shill. Sorry my schedule doesn’t please you.

    Still pushing the idea Andrew Napolitano pushed that Obama used GCHQ to spy on Trump?

    Still believe Rod Wheeler’s claim the DNC murdered Seth Rich?

  26. Trump says:

    The cretin is triggered.

    “RICH LOWRY: But Gorsuch … and Other Excellent Judicial Picks … and a Tax Cut … and Major Deregulatory Actions … and Immigration Enforcement … and the End of the Individual Mandate … and a Roll Back of the HHS Mandate …”

    The best president ever.

  27. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 4, 2017 at 1:20 pm
    12 – they also sent a bunch of illegals who ended up actually voting. Did Russia interfere that much?

    – Oh goodie. Are you suggesting you believe Trump’s dementia induced claim he won the popular vote except for the 3-5 million illegals who voted?

    I hope you’re not that stupid, but you did fall for Andrew Napolitano’s claim and the Seth Rich’s lie.

  28. Tina says:

    Comedy sounds nervous in his tweets.

  29. Trump says:

    Cruising to re-election:

    “Dow jumps 142 points to record as Street cheers Senate passing tax bill”

  30. Tina says:

    Come on sessiins charge comedy and do a perp walk.

    Muellers tax and process baloney folds.

  31. Trump says:

    DJIA

    24,359.22 +127.63 (+0.53%)

  32. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 4, 2017 at 1:32 pm
    4. “Robbie is always good for a laugh!”
    No kidding. His comments on a prior post about Trump opposing Romney’s Senate bid because he was concerned over his impeach vote were utter nonsense. He just likes to make things up and claim they are factual.
    The rumor is during his cruise, Bogo Pogo deported him to Fantasy Island.

    – LOL. Is that the best you’ve got. I like it better when you’re trying to tell everyone Rasmussen is a credible poll.

  33. Tina says:

    hn Cardillo Retweeted
    Sebastian Gorka DrG
    Sebastian Gorka DrG
    @SebGorka
    Amazing how many are not familiar with our Constitution.

    Tip:

    The incumbent President = Chief law enforcement officer of the nation.

  34. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 4, 2017 at 1:40 pm
    The tonga room has a seminar on muh collusion

    – And the padded room is for people who believe Hoft, Nolte, and Cardillo.

  35. Walt says:

    Just got the letter saying my Soc. sec. checks would be increasing by $12/mo.

    MAKE OLD PEOPLE GREAT AGAIN!
    ***************************
    Suck it, you youngsters.

  36. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 4, 2017 at 2:51 pm
    hn Cardillo Retweeted
    Sebastian Gorka DrG
    Sebastian Gorka DrG
    @SebGorka
    Amazing how many are not familiar with our Constitution.
    Tip:
    The incumbent President = Chief law enforcement officer of the nation.

    – Got it. Trump is above the law because he’s president. Glad a fake terrorism expert who was a member of Hungarian NAZI group was able to clear everything up.

  37. Tina says:

    TRump has triggered sjw, comedy, and eric holder.

    Mission accomplished.

    And now reports of more libs in mueller cabal that wrote emails against the president

  38. Tina says:

    Tell us paper plane flyer what crimes?

  39. Tina says:

    Muh collusion to muh obsteuction to muh phantom crimes.

    Got it loon.

  40. mnw says:

    If you don’t have a life, like me, RRH comments have a really good summary analysis of all the recent AL polls.

    Interestingly, only 2 of the 6 include both landline & cell phones both. The WaPo poll showing Jones +6 is one of the two. This poll is the other one.

  41. Robbie says:

    Help me out Trump chumps.

    Is Trump immune to the law, any law, simply because he is president? If he can obstruct justice and it not be a crime simply because he is president and the chief law enforcement officer in the country, then he can commit murder as well, right? What about embezzlement? What about sexual harassment?

  42. mnw says:

    I’d like to help you out, but your question is riddled with so many fundamental misunderstandings. Plus, if you know what a “straw man” is, you got a whole barn full of ‘em there.

  43. CG says:

    He can shoot someone in the head on Fifth Avenue because he is President. That’s what they would say. There is literally nothing that won’t get excused here or won’t get him added to a “list.”

    Robbie, don’t even waste your time. This site is gone.

  44. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 4, 2017 at 2:55 pm
    Tell us paper plane flyer what crimes?

    – Bless your heart. I know it’s been a rough couple of days for you. You fell for the “analysis” of Hoft, Nolte, and others and, predictably, they turned out to be completely wrong. That’s alright. You’ll just move on to the next conspiracy.

    The best part of this whole mess is, based on what we know right now, Donnie Dingbat (who probably suffers from dementia) almost certainly didn’t commit collusion. But being the paranoid idiot he is, he attempted to obstruct the investigation into what may be a non-crime.

    And oh by the way, CNN reports today that Don McGahn told Trump that Flynn lied to the FBI well before Trump fired him and before Trump asked Comey to go easy on Flynn. Sad.

  45. Tina says:

    Mikkenial needs to go back to 8th grade civics.

  46. Tina says:

    Comey also said that no president has interfered with his investigations.

    May 2017 Senate hearing.

  47. Mr.Vito says:

    Trump can obstruct justice, but not by means through which he is exercising his constitutional authority.

    It’s pretty simple. If he pressured a witness to give false testimony, that would be obstructing justice. The ‘case’ for obstruction outlined by Feinstein is not, but I’m sure that talk will help her when she gets primaried from the left.

  48. Tina says:

    Retweeted
    Arthur Schwartz
    Arthur Schwartz
    @ArthurSchwartz
    You weren’t so mouthy when Hillary was trashing Comey. Weird.
    Sally Yates
    @SallyQYates
    The FBI is in “tatters”? No. The only thing in tatters is the President’s respect for the rule of law. The dedicated men and women of the FBI deserve better.
    7:42 AM · Dec 4, 2017

    And the beotch lost a 9-0 in the sc. she is a hack.

  49. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:05 pm
    I’d like to help you out, but your question is riddled with so many fundamental misunderstandings. Plus, if you know what a “straw man” is, you got a whole barn full of ‘em there.

    – No, it’s not. The Trump loyalists are arguing the president is immune from the charge of obstruction of justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer. So if Trump is immune from one law, from what other laws is he immune? Where’s the line? Murder? Embezzlement? Sexual harassment? Jaywalking?

    If Trump is immune from one law, then why not all laws? And if he’s not immune from all laws, what is the dividing line? I look forward to the self serving, pro-Trump arbitrary explanations about which laws do and don’t apply to a president.

  50. Tina says:

    BOOm

    Peter interviewed flynn, per sarah carter

    This matter is damaged.

  51. Tina says:

    ding to another source, with direct knowledge of the Jan. 24 interview, McCabe had contacted Flynn by phone directly at the White House. White House officials had spent the “earlier part of the week with the FBI overseeing training and security measures associated with their new roles so it was no surprise to Flynn that McCabe had called,” the source said.

    McCabe told Flynn “some agents were heading over (to the White House) but Flynn thought it was part of the routine work the FBI had been doing and said they would be cleared at the gate,” the source said.

    Mccabe in on this sodt coup too.

  52. Tina says:

    Sessi9ns needs to end this sheot now. Mueller has lost control.

  53. Tina says:

    Nunes said Saturday that the mistress of Strzok, who was the top FBI official assigned to Mueller’s Special Counsel, was an FBI lawyer working for FBI Deputy Director McCabe.

    Dirty cop.

  54. Tina says:

    Likes
    John Cardillo’s Tweets
    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    2m
    It’s now confirmed that biased Strzok interviewed Flynn.

    Source told @SaraCarterDC, “Strzok’s allegiance to (Deputy Director Andrew) McCabe was unwavering and very well known.”

    McCabe hates Flynn ever since Flynn backed up a female FBI employee sued the FBIand McCabe.

    All of this because flynn called out mccabe over sexual harassment.

  55. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:07 pm
    Trump can obstruct justice, but not by means through which he is exercising his constitutional authority.
    It’s pretty simple. If he pressured a witness to give false testimony, that would be obstructing justice. The ‘case’ for obstruction outlined by Feinstein is not, but I’m sure that talk will help her when she gets primaried from the left.

    – Review the words Trump spoke to the Russian ambassador after he fired Comey.

    “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job.”

    “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

    His intention was clear. He wanted to obstruct the investigation into Russian collusion, Flynn, and other things by firing Comey because he mistakenly believed that would end the investigation.

    The idea this wouldn’t constitute obstruction of justice is as novel as Clinton saying it depends on what the definition of “is” is.

  56. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:14 pm
    BOOm
    Peter interviewed flynn, per sarah carter
    This matter is damaged.

    – Sara Carter. LOL!

  57. Robbie says:

    Isn’t it interesting that every time a bad story concerning the Mueller investigation and Russia appears, a worthless story from Sara Carter and/or John Solomon soon appears attacking the FBI?

  58. Mr.Vito says:

    What is the bad story?

  59. Tina says:

    Vito , the corru0t fbi agent, peter, interviewed flynn.

  60. Tina says:

    Nunes instructed the House Intelligence Committee staff on Saturday “to begin drawing up a contempt of Congress resolution for DOJ Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray. Unless all our outstanding demands are fully met by close of business on Monday, December 4, 2017, the committee will have the opportunity to move this resolution before the end of the month.”

    A source familiar with the chairman’s request said Nunes knows the answers to “whether FBI paid for dossier, whether dossier launched investigation, whether the dossier was used as basis for FISA applications. what steps FBI took to verify dossier upon receipt and since in addition, DOJ has cleared every witness he asked for. Period.”

    Boom.

  61. Mr.Vito says:

    What you just wrote about Trump came out is half a year old, so I know that’s not it… Trump also said he wasn’t under investigation at the time. Since he wasn’t under investigation, it does not matter if Trump fired Comey to end an investigation that is constitutionally in his purview to end from an obstruction standpoint… he could have just pardoned Flynn. Comey IS a nut job.

  62. Tina says:

    DId peter interview manafort too?

  63. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:25 pm
    What is the bad story?

    – Let’s see. Mike Flynn copped a plea with Mueller and agreed to cooperate in the investigation. Trump’s White House lawyer told Trump that Flynn had lied to the FBI well before Trump finally fired Flynn. So in other words, Trump knew Flynn lied to the FBI before Trump asked Comey to drop the investigation into Flynn. That’s a really bad look.

  64. Tina says:

    Nick Short ??
    @PoliticalShort
    ·
    6m
    Replying to @PoliticalShort
    On July 2, 2016, Hillary Clinton was interviewed by the FBI…Present for the interview were Clinton’s attorneys as well as FBI Section Chief Peter Strzok (link: https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton/Hillary%20R.%20Clinton%20Part%2002%20of%2016/view) vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-cli…

    Peter is everywhere.

  65. Tina says:

    Tick tock, tick tock…

  66. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    12m
    .@GenFlynn was most likely framed by a Trump hating loyal McCabe surrogate. This is banana republic level corrupt.

    It was retaliation against Flynn for helping a female FBI Agent with her discrimination suit against the Bureau and McCabe.

    Boom.

  67. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    17m
    Strzok will be McCabe’s undoing.

    This genie is too big and too egregious to put back in the bottle.

    Once McCabe falls, his mentor Mueller needs to be shut down.

    Comedy taken out, mccabe next, then peter, and then mueller. Dominoes.

  68. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Here is today’s PredictIt market on the Alabama Senate race:

    https://www.predictit.org/Market/3299/Who-will-win-the-2017-US-Senate-special-election-in-Alabama

  69. Chicon says:

    Robbie doesn’t read, he only writes.

  70. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:31 pm
    What you just wrote about Trump came out is half a year old, so I know that’s not it… Trump also said he wasn’t under investigation at the time. Since he wasn’t under investigation, it does not matter if Trump fired Comey to end an investigation that is constitutionally in his purview to end from an obstruction standpoint… he could have just pardoned Flynn. Comey IS a nut job.

    – So it’s ok for a president to interject himself into an investigation and attempt to shut it down to save a friend from prosecution? Sorry, but that’s just not going to fly.

    If a president interjects himself into an investigation with the intent to obstruct the investigation and prevent the truth from being know, that is a crime.

    But you are right, Trump could have just pardoned Flynn. Of course, that wouldn’t have stopped the investigation. In fact, it would have only made it easier for Comey or Mueller get what they needed from Flynn. A pardon would have meant Flynn faced no legal turmoil. He still would have had to testify.

  71. Tina says:

    Trump will not need to pardon, the charges need to be tossed given peter being lead investigator.

    Fbi is damaged at this point.

  72. Chicon says:

    Robbie, pretend all of this were happening with Obama or Hillary in office. Then you’d get why it is bothersome to many.

    Also, the boat drinks didn’t help your reading comprehension….

    BTW, what did you think of Rich Lowry’s post on NRO on Trump? I’m guessing you were triggered…

  73. Tina says:

    Yes, it is ok for the president to tell who or who not to prosecute. However, mueller testified that he was not pressured in any way,

    Did mueller lie?

  74. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:38 pm
    Robbie doesn’t read, he only writes.

    – Whereas you fall for conspiracies. That’s why you believed Andrew Napolitano’s farcical claim Obama used British intelligence to spy on Trump. It’s why you believed Rod Wheeler’s moronic claim the DNC murdered Seth Rich. By the way, have you ever admitted you were a dope to believe such drivel?

  75. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:42 pm
    Robbie, pretend all of this were happening with Obama or Hillary in office. Then you’d get why it is bothersome to many.
    Also, the boat drinks didn’t help your reading comprehension….
    BTW, what did you think of Rich Lowry’s post on NRO on Trump? I’m guessing you were triggered…

    – If this were all happening to Obama and Hillary, the Republicans in the House and Senate would be calling for Congressional investigations and possibly impeachment. And so would you and the rest of the talk radio hotheads who shill for Trump every day.

    Unfortunately, you you’ve decided to view this strictly through a partisan prism. Because dear old Donnie has a R next to his name, you’re willing to believe it’s all a scam.

  76. Mr.Vito says:

    “Mike Flynn copped a plea with Mueller and agreed to cooperate in the investigation.”

    Seems like pretty much every concluded this doesn’t mean much and was expected… what would have meant something is what did not happen and got the ABC reporter suspended without pay.

    Of course the fact this came out during a major series of good news for Trump was just coincidence, I’m sure.

    “That’s a really bad look.”

    Flynn lied and got fired by Trump, Comey leaked, lied and got fired by Trump. The statements of which of these liars with a clear motive to lie against Trump does Mueller plan to build his case upon?

  77. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:42 pm
    Yes, it is ok for the president to tell who or who not to prosecute. However, mueller testified that he was not pressured in any way,
    Did mueller lie?

    – No, it is not ok for the president to say who should or should not be prosecuted.

    Presidents, through their justice departments and US attorneys, can set priorities, but they cannot tell prosecutors to ignore crimes simply because it affects a friend.

  78. Mr.Vito says:

    “So it’s ok for a president to interject himself into an investigation and attempt to shut it down to save a friend from prosecution?”

    Even in this worse case scenario, which is far from being proven, he has the power to pardon him. If he had simply pardoned him, would it be obstruction?

    So, yeah. Change the constitution. This has been an impeachment case only, which is why influencing public opinion with leaks, innuendo, and unnamed sources has been a part of this from day one.

  79. Mr.Vito says:

    “If this were all happening to Obama and Hillary, the Republicans in the House and Senate would be calling for Congressional investigations and possibly impeachment. And so would you and the rest of the talk radio hotheads who shill for Trump every day.”

    Obama did plenty of unconstitutional things… I don’t recall Chicon calling for his impeachment then, let alone for constitutional things.

  80. Tina says:

    Again, why did comedy testify that he was not pressured?

    Did he lie to congress?

  81. Chicon says:

    Question for Robbie…

    Why weren’t Flynn, Poppy, or Manafort charged with conspiracy-related crimes instead of process crimes?

  82. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:47 pm
    “Mike Flynn copped a plea with Mueller and agreed to cooperate in the investigation.”
    Seems like pretty much every concluded this doesn’t mean much and was expected… what would have meant something is what did not happen and got the ABC reporter suspended without pay.

    – Who concluded this? Rush? FoxNews? I certainly haven’t heard pretty everyone conclude his plea doesn’t mean much. In fact, everything I’ve read and watched suggests the opposite.

    How does pretty much everyone know what he has agreed tot tell Mueller? Do you know? I don’t. Mueller would not have let Flynn skate on the nearly 60 years of prison time he faced unless he offered something very significant to Mueller for a significantly reduced sentence.

    The question is who is the bigger fish. Kushner? Don Jr.? Trump?

  83. NYCmike says:

    Robbie, and “CG” with another “Fifth Avenue” comment…..comedy gold!

  84. Tina says:

    Question, did comedy lie about the pressure from trump?

  85. Mr.Vito says:

    “Who concluded this? Rush? FoxNews? I certainly haven’t heard pretty everyone conclude his plea doesn’t mean much.”

    “How does pretty much everyone know what he has agreed tot tell Mueller? Do you know? I don’t.”

    Pretty much answered your own question. Nothing is known… so it doesn’t mean anything, which yeah… beyond their ‘opinion panels’ pretty much all of the networks agreed upon.

  86. Tina says:

    The question is who is the bigger fish. Kushner? Don Jr.? Trump?

    I typed this on the lido deck.

    Jebot

  87. Chicon says:

    81 – agreed, Vito, this is a political event, using process crimes for political ends.

  88. NYCmike says:

    Question: Was “CG” on the cruise with Robbie?

    Is that why Michael switched teams?

  89. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:52 pm
    “So it’s ok for a president to interject himself into an investigation and attempt to shut it down to save a friend from prosecution?”
    Even in this worse case scenario, which is far from being proven, he has the power to pardon him. If he had simply pardoned him, would it be obstruction?
    So, yeah. Change the constitution. This has been an impeachment case only, which is why influencing public opinion with leaks, innuendo, and unnamed sources has been a part of this from day one.

    – He didn’t pardon Mike Flynn, though, did he. He chose to try and shut down an investigation in a heavy handed way and ultimately fired the person in charge of the Flynn investigation to stop the investigation. If you don’t believe me, just read Trump’s own words to the Russian ambassador and to Lester Holt in his NBC interview.

    As for whether a pardon is grounds for obstruction. Maybe. Maybe not. But whether it is obstruction or not, doesn’t mean it isn’t a political death wish. While impeachment is off the table as long as Republicans control the Congress, that doesn’t mean a self serving pardon wouldn’t be grounds for impeachment since impeachment is ultimately a political process.

  90. Mr.Vito says:

    “Mueller would not have let Flynn skate on the nearly 60 years of prison time he faced unless he offered something very significant to Mueller for a significantly reduced sentence.”

    Why not? This happens quite a bit. You overcharge to intimidate someone with ruin just to could get something. Some of the people on Mueller’s team have already had convictions overturned for misconduct, and as we’ve seen with what is all over the news today, his team is far from ‘clean’.

  91. Tina says:

    John Cardillo’s Tweets
    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    11s
    I truly believe that @GenFlynn, a successful spy master, knew that he was among hostile individuals in that interview and fell back on his training.

    God bless him for not cooperating with the enemy.

  92. Tina says:

    Muh obstruction.

  93. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:56 pm
    Question for Robbie…
    Why weren’t Flynn, Poppy, or Manafort charged with conspiracy-related crimes instead of process crimes?

    – My goodness. Have you ever watched an episode of Law and Order? Prosecutors often agree to proceed with far lesser charges when a subject of an investigation agrees to cooperate and potentially provide information on “bigger fish”.

    Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

  94. DW says:

    Updated with Randy Baumgardner (R) – CO State Senator added to the list:

    Al Franken (D) – Entertainer, US senator
    Al Green (D) – US Congressman
    Andrew Kreisberg (D) – Film producer
    Bill Clinton (D) – 42nd POTUS
    Bill O’Reilly (I) – Journalist/Entertainer
    Brett Ratner (D) – Film Producer
    Bruce Weber (D) – Fashion photographer
    Bryon Hefner (D)
    Charlie Rose (D) – Journalist
    Dan Schoen (D) – State senator, MN
    David Sweeney (D) – NPR Chief News editor
    Dustin Hoffman (D) – Actor
    Ed Westwick (D) – Actor
    Garrison Keillor (D) – Radio host
    Geoffrey Rush (D) – Actor
    George H. W. Bush (R) – 41st POTUS
    George Takei (D) – Actor
    Geraldo Rivera (D) – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush (D) – Journalist
    Harvey Weinstein (D) – Film producer
    Israel Horovitz (D) – Playwright, director, actor
    Jack Latvala (R) – FL state senator
    James Levine (D) – Symphony Orchestra conductor
    Jeffrey Tambor (D) – Comedian
    Jeremy Piven (D) – Actor
    Joe Barton (R) – US Congressman
    John Conyers (D) – US congressman
    John Lasseter (D) – Film director, animator
    Kevin Spacey (D) – Film producer
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Louis C.K. (D) – Comedian
    Mark Halperin (D) – Journalist
    Mascot – LA Kings
    Matt Lauer (D) – Journalist
    Michael Oreskes (D) – NPR VP of News
    Oliver Stone (D) – Film producer, director
    Randy Baumgardner (R) – CO State Senator
    Raul Grijalvas (D) – US Congressman
    Richard Dreyfuss (D) – Actor
    Roy Moore (R) – Alabama judge
    Ruben Kihuen (D) – US Congressman
    Russell Simmons (D) – Music Mogul
    Steven Seagal (D) – Film producer
    Sylvester Stallone (R) – Film actor
    Teddy Davis (D) – CNN senior producer
    Tony Cornish (R) – State representative, MN
    Tyler Grasham (D) – Hollywood agent

  95. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    15m
    We need a Special Counsel to investigate every member of Mueller’s team for ethics issues, impartiality, and professionalism.

    Starting with Mueller himself.

    Rosenstein shut the sheit show down.

  96. Tina says:

    In addition to peter, reports suggest four more investigators were caught.

    Peter is the big turd, however.

    No way to turn the titanic around.

  97. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:58 pm
    Robbie, and “CG” with another “Fifth Avenue” comment…..comedy gold!

    – NYCmike believes Roy Moore…. pure idiocy!

  98. Tina says:

    Stephen McIntyre
    Stephen McIntyre
    @ClimateAudit
    ·
    36m
    Replying to @PoliticalShort
    don’t forget that Strzok was included in distribution of Comey’s draft memo exonerating Hillary in May, prior to Hillary even being interviewed. So Strzok knew the decision before the interview.

    Peter gets around.

  99. Tina says:

    Was peter in comedys porta potty too?

  100. Tina says:

    Mulehead needs to get out in front of this matter. His credibility is wrecked.

  101. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 4, 2017 at 4:00 pm
    81 – agreed, Vito, this is a political event, using process crimes for political ends.

    – And of course if we had a president Obama or Hillary, you’d have a completely different view.

    Flynn chose to lie to the FBI. No one made him. It’s not a political event. Pelosi and Schmuer didn’t make him do that.

  102. Mr.Vito says:

    “He didn’t pardon Mike Flynn, though, did he.”

    Maybe he thought the

    “He chose to try and shut down an investigation in a heavy handed way…”

    You don’t have any actual proof of that as I said except from hearsay and proven liars…

    ” If you don’t believe me, just read Trump’s own words to the Russian ambassador and to Lester Holt in his NBC interview.”

    Which he still has the authority to do…

    “As for whether a pardon is grounds for obstruction. Maybe.”

    Well, then there is no reason for me to listen to another word from you, is there? But, I keep hoping for something lucid from you.

    Instead I hear wonderful opinions for and a against a multitude of things here, both Trump and anti-Trump. Then you show up and give your opinion for a hundred posts while calling everyone else liars and shills.

    You are a joke now. Take CGs advice.

  103. Mr.Vito says:

    “… that doesn’t mean a self serving pardon wouldn’t be grounds for impeachment since impeachment is ultimately a political process.”

    Oh, and that is exactly what I said five times over in regard to the supposed “obstruction”… he can fire whoever he damn well wants under his purview just like he can pardon. Your argument is about looks, not criminality.

  104. Tina says:

    It is clear that hatch is no longer never trump. Keep him sine quittens is a rino.

  105. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 4:02 pm
    “Mueller would not have let Flynn skate on the nearly 60 years of prison time he faced unless he offered something very significant to Mueller for a significantly reduced sentence.”
    Why not? This happens quite a bit. You overcharge to intimidate someone with ruin just to could get something. Some of the people on Mueller’s team have already had convictions overturned for misconduct, and as we’ve seen with what is all over the news today, his team is far from ‘clean’.

    – The FoxNews talking points are strong with you.

  106. Tina says:

    Comedy testified that trump exertred no pressure on him to end the flynn matter. The claim by the jebot is false.

  107. Tina says:

    Flynns lawyer needs the 302. It could be altered, no telling what oeter did.

  108. Mr.Vito says:

    “The FoxNews talking points are strong with you.”

    I don’t even have FoxNews, as if that would matter.

  109. Robbie says:

    It’s really fascinating to watch people who believed the absolute worst about Obama and Clinton (rightly too) turn around and make the case Trump can’t break the law because he has the power of the pardon. If the president was a Democrat, everyone defending Trump would be demanding the Democrat’s impeachment and removal.

    It’s really just laughable to watch the contortions some here go through to defend Trump. Trump’s never the problem. It’s always the people looking into to Trump’s actions who are the problem. Trump’s as pure as the wind driven snow and everyone else is acid rain.

  110. CG says:

    Let them have their echo chamber. It’s only going to be getting worse for them.

  111. Tina says:

    So, did comedy lie about the no pressure?

  112. Mr.Vito says:

    “It’s really just laughable to watch the contortions some here go through to defend Trump.”

    Actually, defending the constitution, and it was pretty easy.

    “Trump’s as pure as the wind driven snow and everyone else is acid rain.”

    I’ve criticized Trump and his supporters plenty.

    Take your lies back to the poop deck on your “Search for the Collusion” cruise.

  113. Chicon says:

    97 – reading comprehension problem again….

    Why weren’t those individuals charged with being part of a conspiracy to rig the election?

    THAT is how you squeeze one member of the conspiracy, and you force them to admit to the facts of the conspiracy. The deal offered is a lesser sentence, not a lesser crime.

  114. Tina says:

    estigation into Flynn.

    “I’m on the Judiciary Committee, and just a few weeks ago we had still-Director Comey come and testify. Someone asked him about political pressure and he said, ‘This is something I haven’t seen, something in my experience has not occurred.’ “

  115. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 4:18 pm
    “It’s really just laughable to watch the contortions some here go through to defend Trump.”
    Actually, defending the constitution, and it was pretty easy.

    – Yeah, Trump’s a real champion of the Constitution.

  116. Mr.Vito says:

    “Yeah, Trump’s a real champion of the Constitution.”

    No, but I am.

    Apparently you aren’t.

  117. Cash Cow TM says:

    I have investigated it thoroughly…and have concluded….

    Trump is on the autism spectrum.

  118. Mr.Vito says:

    “Trump is on the autism spectrum.”

    CG would have told us.

  119. Chicon says:

    106 – really well said, especially the last two paragraphs. Exactly right.

  120. DW says:

    wow, only two on the SCOTUS dissented — Trump’s travel ban held up.

  121. DW says:

    AP:

    The Supreme Court is allowing the Trump administration to fully enforce a ban on travel to the United States by residents of six mostly Muslim countries.

    The justices say in an order Monday that the policy can take full effect even as legal challenges against it make their way through the courts.

    The ban applies to travelers from Chad, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen. Lower courts had said people from those nations with a claim of a “bona fide” relationship with someone in the United States could not be kept out of the country. Grandparents, cousins and other relatives were among those courts said could not be excluded.

    Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor would have left the lower court orders in place.

  122. Tina says:

    Sotohatewhitey and the acku troll.

  123. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    86. “How does pretty much everyone know what he has agreed tot tell Mueller? Do you know? I don’t. Mueller would not have let Flynn skate on the nearly 60 years of prison time he faced unless he offered something very significant to Mueller for a significantly reduced sentence.

    The question is who is the bigger fish. Kushner? Don Jr.? Trump?”

    More of Robbie’s Bogo Pogo fantasy. Why not include the Wizard and Dorothy and Toto in it?

    You start with a correct conclusion that everyone does not know what transpired between Mueller and Flynn. Then you go on to speculate as a fact what it must have been, based on your “bigger fish” fantasy assumptions.

    Is it too hard for you to say, we don’t know what is going on? Why do you always have to spin a tale?

  124. NYCmike says:

    “– NYCmike believes Roy Moore…. pure idiocy!”

    -Heh.

    Robbie, this is more evidence that you read nothing on HHR, and only repeat on here what others have written elsewhere. Pure Trump Derangement!

  125. mnw says:

    Tina & BL

    That could provide a means for Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea. I doubt that the government wold want to call the Trump- hating FBI agent as its chief witness on the false statements case.

    However, I’m sure there were other law enforcement agents present when Flynn was interviewed, so… the g could probably do a workaround.

  126. Tina says:

    lains why Comey didn’t use ‘grossly negligent’ to describe Clinton

    CNN has also learned that Strzok was the FBI official who signed the document officially opening an investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, according to sources familiar with the matter. As the No. 2 official in counterintelligence, Strzok was considered to be one of the bureau’s top experts on Russia.

    Peter bought the dossier. I knew it was fake right away. He bought it.

  127. Mr.Vito says:

    San Diego, that is the joke…

    If Brian Ross’ report had been true, I would have been the first to admit Mueller was getting somewhere, and Trump would be in trouble. I even said it to start the conversation.

    But if you can state the obvious that we aren’t any further along than before, you must be a shill listening to Infowars (or whatever leftists accuse you of these days to shut down debate).

  128. Tina says:

    It sounds like they entrapped flynn, mnw. Entrapment is not a viable work product.

  129. BayernFan says:

    even Breyer and Kagan got it right

  130. BayernFan says:

    Flynn has got to be dumber than a box of rocks… or his lawyer is…..

    Why on earth would he talk to investigators at all? So stupid.

    No wonder Trump fired him.

  131. mnw says:

    Tina

    No, with respect. Not close to entrapment in a legal sense.

    Defendants are not permitted to withdraw guilty pleas (see his plea agmnt boilerpale), but Flynn could get the court’s permission to do so on these facts.

    I doubt he wants to, though.

  132. mnw says:

    BF

    “dumber than a box of rocks” is so harsh (notice I didn’t say “so wrong”)

    I would just say that Flynn displayed a touching career soldier’s faith in the fundamental benevolence of America’s political masters.

  133. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 4:22 pm
    “Yeah, Trump’s a real champion of the Constitution.”
    No, but I am.
    Apparently you aren’t.

    – What a load of crap, but that’s what I’ve come to expect from the dopes who fell for Trump’s pathetic conman routine.

  134. Mr.Vito says:

    I’m pretty sure mnw actually had a career in these matters, by the way.

  135. Walt says:

    All this turmoil.

    It was not like this back in Gondwanaland.

  136. Mr.Vito says:

    “What a load of crap”

    Well you are the one that said a pardon “maybe” obstruction…

  137. Walt says:

    Oh, \

    and SCOTUS just upheld DJT’s travel ban.

  138. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 4, 2017 at 4:23 pm
    106 – really well said, especially the last two paragraphs. Exactly right.

    – Are you ever going to disavow your belief Obama used British intelligence to spy on Trump or that the DNC murdered Seth Rich?

    Or are you just going to shill and flack for Trump?

  139. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 4, 2017 at 4:31 pm
    86. “How does pretty much everyone know what he has agreed tot tell Mueller? Do you know? I don’t. Mueller would not have let Flynn skate on the nearly 60 years of prison time he faced unless he offered something very significant to Mueller for a significantly reduced sentence.
    The question is who is the bigger fish. Kushner? Don Jr.? Trump?”
    More of Robbie’s Bogo Pogo fantasy. Why not include the Wizard and Dorothy and Toto in it?
    You start with a correct conclusion that everyone does not know what transpired between Mueller and Flynn. Then you go on to speculate as a fact what it must have been, based on your “bigger fish” fantasy assumptions.

    – This from a guy who just 6 weeks ago said I was nuts to think Manafort and Flynn were likely to get indicted.

    Also, this from a guy who thinks Rasmussen is a credible poll.

  140. Mr.Vito says:

    144 Are you ever going to make an actual point, or just refer to “foxnews, trump chumps, and whataboutism?”

  141. Mr.Vito says:

    Guess not

  142. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 4, 2017 at 4:34 pm
    “– NYCmike believes Roy Moore…. pure idiocy!”
    -Heh.
    Robbie, this is more evidence that you read nothing on HHR, and only repeat on here what others have written elsewhere. Pure Trump Derangement!

    – You’re almost as big of a fraud as Jason Trump is. You claim to be a constitutional Tea Party conservative and yet you shill and flack for a lifelong liberal like Trump and take a pervert child molester like Roy Moore at his words because he has a R next to his name.

  143. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    December 4, 2017 at 4:35 pm
    Tina & BL
    That could provide a means for Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea. I doubt that the government wold want to call the Trump- hating FBI agent as its chief witness on the false statements case.
    However, I’m sure there were other law enforcement agents present when Flynn was interviewed, so… the g could probably do a workaround.

    – Thanks for posting this. I needed a good laugh.

  144. Mr.Vito says:

    Still a no.

  145. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 4:54 pm
    “What a load of crap”
    Well you are the one that said a pardon “maybe” obstruction…

    – Absolutely, a pardon could be viewed as a obstruction in a political proceeding like impeachment.

  146. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 4:57 pm
    144 Are you ever going to make an actual point, or just refer to “foxnews, trump chumps, and whataboutism?”

    – My points are absolutely valid. You just don’t like them because they aren’t pro-Trump.

    You’re the one who is arguing the president can’t obstruct justice. Of course, we all know your view would almost certainly be different if Trump was a Democrat.

  147. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 4:58 pm
    Guess not

    – I’m also waiting you to make a point.

    Guess we both better not hold our breaths.

  148. Mr.Vito says:

    So now Robbie concedes everything I pointed out from the beginning… but not before calling me a chump and a shill.

    You can call something anything you wsnt in a political impeachment case. Mueller has a criminal case and Trump has not committed “obstruction”. I specifically said that it would have to be an impeachment case that Mueller is making, which I said is really what this is leading toward.

  149. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:06 pm
    So now Robbie concedes everything I pointed out from the beginning… but not before calling me a chump and a shill.
    You can call something anything you wsnt in a political impeachment case. Mueller has a criminal case and Trump has not committed “obstruction”. I specifically said that it would have to be an impeachment case that Mueller is making, which I said is really what this is leading toward.

    – I concede nothing you have written. Nice try.

  150. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    145. “This from a guy who just 6 weeks ago said I was nuts to think Manafort and Flynn were likely to get indicted.”

    “Also, this from a guy who thinks Rasmussen is a credible poll.”

    Robbie, Rasmussen was one of the most accurate polls in the 2016. By the way, who was the Lord Ashcroft guy whose wrong poll you quoted on election night?

    “Robbie says:
    November 8, 2016 at 7:17 pm
    Lord Ashcroft has the exits posted on his twitter. Basically, they show an easy Clinton win, but not a landslide.”

    Also, care to refresh my memory and quote when I said this? “This from a guy who just 6 weeks ago said I was nuts to think Manafort and Flynn were likely to get indicted.”

  151. Mr.Vito says:

    “You’re the one who is arguing the president can’t obstruct justice.”

    Liar

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:07 pm
    Trump can obstruct justice, but not by means through which he is exercising his constitutional authority.
    It’s pretty simple. If he pressured a witness to give false testimony, that would be obstructing justice. The ‘case’ for obstruction outlined by Feinstein is not, but I’m sure that talk will help her when she gets primaried from the left.

  152. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:10 pm
    145. “This from a guy who just 6 weeks ago said I was nuts to think Manafort and Flynn were likely to get indicted.”
    “Also, this from a guy who thinks Rasmussen is a credible poll.”
    Robbie, Rasmussen was one of the most accurate polls in the 2016. By the way, who was the Lord Ashcroft guy whose wrong poll you quoted on election night?
    “Robbie says:
    November 8, 2016 at 7:17 pm
    Lord Ashcroft has the exits posted on his twitter. Basically, they show an easy Clinton win, but not a landslide.”
    Also, care to refresh my memory and quote when I said this? “This from a guy who just 6 weeks ago said I was nuts to think Manafort and Flynn were likely to get indicted.”

    – Explain to me how a robo-pollster, which can’t by law poll in every state, can conduct a credible poll of the nation?

    Rasmussen is a garbage pollster. FoxNews doesn’t even use them anyone. They did back in 2010 for Senate polls.

  153. Mr.Vito says:

    “I concede nothing you have written. Nice try.”

    So you are taking it back? You have said all those things.

    Just to review… Robbie came here demanding to know if Trump could murder and embezzle… criminal things… clearly speaking of criminal obstruction.

    Now he says it is about some non-statutorial “obstruction” in the political sphere, which I said from the beginning was the only case here.

    Somehow everyone but Robbie is the idiot.

  154. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:15 pm
    “You’re the one who is arguing the president can’t obstruct justice.”
    Liar
    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 3:07 pm
    Trump can obstruct justice, but not by means through which he is exercising his constitutional authority.
    It’s pretty simple. If he pressured a witness to give false testimony, that would be obstructing justice. The ‘case’ for obstruction outlined by Feinstein is not, but I’m sure that talk will help her when she gets primaried from the left.

    – You claimed Trump couldn’t obstruct justice if he fired Comey to stop the investigation into Flynn. That is a laughable idea and the type I might expect to hear Erdogan’s Turkey.

  155. CG says:

    Give up on them Robbie. Give up. They are enjoying their stay in Stockholm.

  156. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:23 pm
    “I concede nothing you have written. Nice try.”
    So you are taking it back? You have said all those things.
    Just to review… Robbie came here demanding to know if Trump could murder and embezzle… criminal things… clearly speaking of criminal obstruction.
    Now he says it is about some non-statutorial “obstruction” in the political sphere, which I said from the beginning was the only case here.
    Somehow everyone but Robbie is the idiot.

    – Is your sock puppet thinking and writing for you today?

    I absolutely believe Trump can obstruct justice if he ordered Comey not to investigate Flynn when Trump knew Flynn had lied to the FBI.

    Furthermore, I absolutely believe a pardon could be viewed, both in the legal process and the political process, as obstruction.

  157. CG says:

    In the meantime, well said by Mitt Romney:

    “Roy Moore in the US Senate would be a stain on the GOP and on the nation. Leigh Corfman and other victims are courageous heroes. No vote, no majority is worth losing our honor, our integrity.”

  158. Bitterlaw says:

    MichiganGuy says:

    December 4, 2017 at 9:36 am

    Bitterlaw says:
    December 4, 2017 at 9:13 am
    I believe in the rule of law as long as it doesn’t go against God’s Law.

    Then you do not believe in the rule of law.
    ——————————————————————————————————-
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz So, BL is saying no matter what ridicule law government comes up with such as “Sanctuary city” I must agree with it or I don’t believe in the rule of law. Please, stop your nonsense.

    When did I say that you must agree with it? If you are a sitting judge, you must follow the law and orders from a higher court or face the consequences. Also, nice dodge on the main point. You think it is acceptable to substitute your interpretation of God’s law for civil law in public courts. How would that be different than a Muslim judge applying sharia law in an American court?

    MG to whine “But the law of the Christian God is real while Islamic law is not” in 3…2…1…

  159. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:25 pm
    Give up on them Robbie. Give up. They are enjoying their stay in Stockholm.

    – I’m having fun with them.

  160. Mr.Vito says:

    “That is a laughable idea and the type I might expect to hear Erdogan’s Turkey.”

    Well, respected constitutional lawyers are saying that, so your idea that it is “laughable” is something I would expect from fantasyland.

  161. Mr.Vito says:

    “I’m having fun with them.”

    You dont sound like you are having as much fun as us.

    I think CG is really trying to tell you politely to stop embarrassing your ‘side’, whatever that is.

    At any rate, it is a stark admission that you are trolling.

  162. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:31 pm
    “That is a laughable idea and the type I might expect to hear Erdogan’s Turkey.”
    Well, respected constitutional lawyers are saying that, so your idea that it is “laughable” is something I would expect from fantasyland.

    – And plenty of constitutional lawyers who aren’t on the Fox n Friends guest list think your view is laughable.

  163. DW says:

    “Walt says:
    December 4, 2017 at 4:53 pm
    All this turmoil.

    It was not like this back in Gondwanaland.”

    Yeah, Walt was all for peace in Gondwanaland. But what he isn’t telling you is further back, he was the one who lit the fuse that blew apart Pangea.

    And that was because he didn’t like the continental layout after he had blown up Rodinia.

  164. CG says:

    I’m thinking about Robbie’s well-being, but if he says he is having fun, fine.

    I just think some people (or groups) are better off divorced.

    (and just for the record, the person posting here as “Michael” is not the Michael who graduated from Penn State last year. He is done with this site as well)

  165. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:35 pm
    “I’m having fun with them.”
    You dont sound like you are having as much fun as us.
    I think CG is really trying to tell you politely to stop embarrassing your ‘side’, whatever that is.
    At any rate, it is a stark admission that you are trolling.

    – Oh, but I am.

    Yes, I do enjoy trolling people who believe in conspiracy theories like Tina and Chicon. Yes, I do enjoy trolling frauds like Jason who attacked Trump every day of the campaign only to roll over and support nearly every idiotic thing he does now. Yes, I do enjoy trolling a supposed Ted Cruz constitutional conservative like NYCmike who claims to be a Tea Party purist, but slavishly defends a lifelong liberal like Trump at every juncture.

  166. Mr.Vito says:

    “And plenty of constitutional lawyers who aren’t on the Fox n Friends guest list think your view is laughable.”

    Likewise.

  167. Chicon says:

    165 – I’m relieved to hear that. I was worried you believe all that garbage….

  168. Robbie says:

    The deep state has gotten to Richard Burr. Sad.

    Manu Raju?
    @mkraju

    BURR on whether he agrees the president can’t obstruct justice: “No,” he said, per @jeremyherb

  169. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:41 pm
    165 – I’m relieved to hear that. I was worried you believe all that garbage…

    – Meanwhile, you have yet to disavow the fact you believed Rod Wheeler’s claim the DNC murdered Seth Rich or Napolitano’s claim Obama used GCHQ to spy on Trump.

  170. Bitterlaw says:

    I do honor most of the Ten Commandments:

    1.You shall have no other gods before Me.

    I DO NOT. however, I REALLY DO NOT CARE IF OTHERS WORSHIP ANY OTHER GODS OR NO GODS AT ALL

    2.You shall not make idols.

    I NEVER MADE ANY IDOLS.

    3.You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

    YOU GOT ME. I DID THAT WHEN WENTZ FUMBLED AT THE GOAL LINE LAST NIGHT.

    4.Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

    UM. I’M A LITTLE LAZY ON THAT ONE.

    5.Honor your father and your mother.

    MOM IS DEAD. DAD IS 90 S0 I HONOR HIM BUT HE FORGETS IT PRETTY QUICKLY.

    6.You shall not murder.

    NO MURDERS.

    7.You shall not commit adultery.

    NO ADULTERY.

    8.You shall not steal.

    NO STEALING.

    9.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

    I ONLY TESTIFIED ONCE AND THAT WAS IN MY OWN TRAFFIC CASE. THE LIGHT WAS GREEN NO MATTER WHAT THE OFFICER SAID.

    10.You shall not covet.

    I AM ONLY JEALOUS OF PEOPLE WITH BEACH HOUSES.

  171. mnw says:

    If only those who supported Trump from the gitgo could post here, I don’t think there would be a single poster left.

  172. NYCmike says:

    “– What a load of crap, but that’s what I’ve come to expect from the dopes who fell for Trump’s pathetic conman routine.”

    -What was it, 63 million plus?

    They all fell for it.

    How many “fell” for JEB!2016?

    150 million or so?

  173. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    How are you dealing with the thin air on the “moral high ground”?

  174. Waingro says:

    Philip Rucker?Verified account @PhilipRucker
    42m42 minutes ago

    Breaking: Woman shares new evidence of relationship with Roy Moore when she was 17, @mccrummenWaPo reports

  175. CG says:

    If somebody genuinely was converted into a Trump fan, then they should either gravitate towards the original pro-Trump communities where I imagine they would be welcomed with open arms, or understand why other people disagree with them on Trump and not automatically make them “trolls” or disingenuous for expressing other views.

    The pro-Trump crowd here is demanding an echo-chamber. That is why so many former regulars have left. Robbie is giving you exactly what you want with the name-calling, etc, and getting attention the only way it can really be done on here. If he says he is having fun doing so, that’s up to him.

  176. Mr.Vito says:

    “Oh, but I am.”

    I very much doubt it. You are more bitter and less rational every time. You lie constantly, and you leave looking even dumber. It certainly isnt healthy.

    On the other hand, that could be wrong, and you could be about on level with Eric Dond.ero, if that is what you want me to believe.

  177. Robbie says:

    Does Singapore have an extradition treaty with the US?

    Amy Fiscus?
    @amyfiscus

    NEW: Those KT McFarland emails show she contradicted her congressional testimony about what she knew about Russia contacts

  178. NYCmike says:

    “Yes, I do enjoy trolling a supposed Ted Cruz constitutional conservative like NYCmike who claims to be a Tea Party purist, but slavishly defends a lifelong liberal like Trump at every juncture.”

    -What “liberal” policy has Trump pushed?

    He has NOT been great on spending so far, in that he has not been very vocal about spending cuts.

    But, the Executive Branch is not in control of that, for the most part, unless of course “CG”‘s civics class is teaching something else these days.

  179. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:45 pm
    “– What a load of crap, but that’s what I’ve come to expect from the dopes who fell for Trump’s pathetic conman routine.”
    -What was it, 63 million plus?
    They all fell for it.
    How many “fell” for JEB!2016?
    150 million or so?

    – I really enjoyed your boy Ted Cruz’s interview with Neil Cavuto last week where he said he could easily work with good ole Roy, but found Franken’s actions troubling.

  180. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:46 pm
    “CG”,
    How are you dealing with the thin air on the “moral high ground”?

    – Probably far better than you are down in the sewer with Trump.

  181. mnw says:

    WG

    We always suspected they had an “October surprise” coming right at the end.

  182. Mr.Vito says:

    “The pro-Trump crowd here is demanding an echo-chamber. That is why so many former regulars have left.”

    The only regulars that left did so eith their tail between their legs before Pennsylvania was even called.

    Prior to that, the only regulars that left were chased away by those people for not demanding an antiTrump echo chamber.

    The revisionist history is amusing, but please.

  183. CG says:

    More morality is very much needed on here. I would offer myself as an example, but I wouldn’t qualify for most.

  184. NYCmike says:

    “More morality is very much needed on here.”

    🙂

  185. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:51 pm
    “The pro-Trump crowd here is demanding an echo-chamber. That is why so many former regulars have left.”
    The only regulars that left did so eith their tail between their legs before Pennsylvania was even called.
    Prior to that, the only regulars that left were chased away by those people for not demanding an antiTrump echo chamber.
    The revisionist history is amusing, but please.

    – Mr. Vito goes Trumpist is a plot twist I never would have expected in 2015 and 2016.

  186. DW says:

    176 – of course there are more than ten. Those first ten were just the broad categories…after that there are hundreds more including my personal favorite: The children of Israel are commanded to not boil a young goat in the milk of it’s mother.

    I have not broken that commandment in any way. I don’t even own a goat, and if I did, I would have the heart to kill it…much less by boiling it…much less in its mother’s milk.

    The problem with most of the ten commandments is in the New Testament Jesus clarifies the intent and says if you have hated someone, you are guilty in your heart of murder. If you lusted, then in your heart you are guilty of adultery. So using this standard, I am pretty much flunked on all ten of them.

  187. CG says:

    Nobody was or should have been demanding of an echo chamber here, whether it relates to Trump supporters or liberal Democrats, but the fact is that the entire history of the comment section of this site from 2004 on would have been consistent with a right-leaning anti-Trump stance. So, it should not have been any surprise why some anti-Trump people actually decided to be consistent after the election.

  188. DW says:

    *would NOT have

  189. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:47 pm
    “Oh, but I am.”
    I very much doubt it. You are more bitter and less rational every time. You lie constantly, and you leave looking even dumber. It certainly isnt healthy.
    On the other hand, that could be wrong, and you could be about on level with Eric Dond.ero, if that is what you want me to believe.

    – Ha! I needed a good laugh.

    The only people who look dumb here are the those who shamelessly defend Trump. Obstruction of justice? No biggie. Trump should totes be allowed to do it because MAGA!

  190. Mr.Vito says:

    “I’m thinking about Robbie’s well-being, but if he says he is having fun, fine.
    I just think some people (or groups) are better off divorced.”

    Well, there you go, Robbie. Thats makes one on each ‘side’.

  191. mnw says:

    I doubt Romney can change a single vote in AL. I sure hope Trump’s warm embrace of Moore today helps.

    I’m still nervous about that election.

  192. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:55 pm
    Nobody was or should have been demanding of an echo chamber here, whether it relates to Trump supporters or liberal Democrats, but the fact is that the entire history of the comment section of this site from 2004 on would have been consistent with a right-leaning anti-Trump stance. So, it should not have been any surprise why some anti-Trump people actually decided to be consistent after the election.

    – To be fair, this comment section was basically anti-Trump, except for Tinfoil Tina and Bayernfan, until election day.

    Then Trump won and a bunch of people suddenly starting supporting him because he had a R next his name and because “muh liberal media” were being meanies to him.

  193. CG says:

    Do people genuinely believe Roy Moore is innocent of all these allegations or do you just not care?

    It’s the OJ jury all over again it seems. Facts don’t matter. Justice doesn’t matter. It’s only about a “message.”

  194. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:58 pm
    I doubt Romney can change a single vote in AL. I sure hope Trump’s warm embrace of Moore today helps.
    I’m still nervous about that election.

    – For the longterm health of the Republican Party and the conservative movement, I absolutely hope Moore loses. He’s a disgust pervert who has no respect for the law, but it’s those two facts put him in the sweet spot for Trump supporters.

  195. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 4, 2017 at 5:59 pm
    Do people genuinely believe Roy Moore is innocent of all these allegations or do you just not care?

    – NYCmike does. Why? Because Moore said so.

  196. CG says:

    My amateur psychologist theory is that a lot of the people here are kind of on the nerdy side and were bullied growing up. So, the “bully won” and they feel like they have to be on his side. It’s easier for them than standing up for what they probably realize is right somewhere inside.

    But I am just an amateur psychologist.

    Merry X-Mas to all.

  197. mnw says:

    Nope. It’s about not having another DEM sen-y-tor.

    For the anti-Moore’s, it’s about having another Dem sen-y-tor.

  198. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:02 pm
    Nope. It’s about not having another DEM sen-y-tor.
    For the anti-Moore’s, it’s about having another Dem sen-y-tor.

    – Wrong. Moore is a disgrace who molested a 14 year old girl. Just because he has a R next to his name doesn’t change the fact he’s a creepy pervert and sex offender. But MAGA, right?

  199. Mr.Vito says:

    “Mr. Vito goes Trumpist is a plot twist I never would have expected in 2015 and 2016.”

    Yes that IS quite the twist on your part. Why dont you refute what I said with a fact or two, since the lerson who said it did not.

    MD, Cory, Author and scooter were gone before PA was called. Two didnt even grace us with a mea culpa after demonizing everyone. CG left later. You, jason, Waingro, SanDiego, and other antiTrumps are still here.

    At least a dozen regulars were chased off including Frank, Nick, and pw.

  200. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #200
    You should be the last person at HHR to stand in judgement of anyone else.
    This is NOT a new revelation. Moore admitted that he knew her family and they may have dated when she was 17.
    Also, this babe is a Joe Biden groupie.
    Please review Moore’s Hannity interview about his relationship with Mrs. Gipson and I dare you to tell me what is new.

  201. Mr.Vito says:

    CG… we dont agree on many things, and agree on many things. However, I wish you were the one that stayed instead of Robbie.

  202. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Debbie Wesson Gibson, whom Moore remembered by her maiden name, said they met when she was 17 and Moore spoke to her high school civics class. She said they went on several dates that did not progress beyond kissing.

    Moore said he does not remember speaking to any civics class, but remembered Wesson Gibson and her parents. He also recalled her as a “good girl.”

    “I do not remember speaking to a civics class,” Moore said. “I don’t remember that. I do not remember when we — I seem to remember knowing her parents because they were friends. I can’t recall specific dates because that’s been 40 years, but I remember her as a good girl.”

    Pressed by Hannity, Moore said he did not recall going on any dates with her, but admitted it was possible they did. He also said she was a “friend.”

    “I don’t remember specific dates. I do not,” Moore said. “And I do not remember if it was in that time or later, but I do not remember that, no.”

    “I know her, but I don’t remember going out on dates. I knew her as a friend. If we did go out on dates, then we did,” Moore said, “but I do not remember that.”

  203. Mr.Vito says:

    “To be fair..”

    Oh how kind of you. Must have hurt.

  204. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:11 pm
    CG… we dont agree on many things, and agree on many things. However, I wish you were the one that stayed instead of Robbie.

    – And I wish you and your sock puppet had gone to a pro-Trump forum.

    Sadly, neither of us got what we wanted.

  205. Robbie says:

    Slutshame her. It’s the MAGA thing to do.

  206. Mr.Vito says:

    ” And I wish you and your sock puppet had gone to a pro-Trump forum.”

    Glad you see you admit this is not a pro-Trump forum.

  207. Mr.Vito says:

    If it were I would have stayed anyway, like Bitter.

  208. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:21 pm
    ” And I wish you and your sock puppet had gone to a pro-Trump forum.”
    Glad you see you admit this is not a pro-Trump forum.

    – If I stopped posting here and CG didn’t make drive by posts, it would be a pro-Trump echo chamber. Jason may have been anti-Trump before the election, but he made a 180 degree turn the moment Donnie won.

  209. Mr.Vito says:

    There is no one for you here.

    I have friends here.

  210. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #215
    Robbie, you are so noble protecting we peons at HHR from “a pro-Trump echo chamber”. What would we do without you?!
    We still await yours and CG’s replies to my posts 207 & 209.

  211. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:28 pm
    There is no one for you here.
    I have friends here.

    – Like I give a crap.

  212. Mr.Vito says:

    Make some friends. Join MDs twitter. You’ll feel better.

  213. Mr.Vito says:

    Revenge is unhealthy… especially when you keep failing so miserably at it.

  214. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:28 pm
    #215
    Robbie, you are so noble protecting we peons at HHR from “a pro-Trump echo chamber”. What would we do without you?!
    We still await yours and CG’s replies to my posts 207 & 209.

    – The work of educating the misguided Trump supporters will never end. A decade from now, we’ll still be pulling you guys out of your pro-Trump spider holes.

    And as for new accuser of good ole Roy, just slutshame her. That’s the MAGA thing to do, right? The fact she’s a Democrat has to mean she’s lying, right? No good and decent person would ever accuse an honorable man who’s been removed from the state supreme court twice of pedophilia. Moore is the last best hope for the Constitution or something.

  215. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:29 pm
    Make some friends. Join MDs twitter. You’ll feel better.

    – What do you and your sock puppet discuss?

  216. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:31 pm
    Revenge is unhealthy… especially when you keep failing so miserably at it.

    – Falling for it miserably is what you do every day when you defend the indefensible of Trump.

  217. Mr.Vito says:

    What would you like to discuss?

  218. Mr.Vito says:

    Okay, I said failing, not falling… doesnt really make sense what you said, but okay.

  219. NYCmike says:

    “– NYCmike does. Why? Because Moore said so.”

    -Incorrect.

    He may be guilty, that is separate from this election. Hopefully, Alabama will elect a Republican instead of a Democrat on Election Day.

    These 40-year-old allegations, if they are true, should be settled in a court of law, or brought before the ethics committee, or however they do it in the US Senate.

    If the amount of proof is shown to be against Moore, the Senate, I am sure, has a procedure to deal with him.

    Until then, these are all allegations, and the timing stinks to high heaven.

  220. NYCmike says:

    “Merry X-Mas to all.”

    -I do believe it is CHRISTMAS.

    That “X” is quite offensive…..or do you NOT CARE about those types of things on the moral high ground?

  221. NYCmike says:

    Robbie and “CG”, those 2 of very high moral standards, are against the jury system developed over hundreds of years.

    Instead, they want allegations, innuendo, rumors, and court intrigue to rule the day.

  222. NYCmike says:

    Too bad KING JEB!2016 did not attain his birthright.

  223. Waingro says:

    “This is NOT a new revelation. Moore admitted that he knew her family and they may have dated when she was 17.”

    Moore is now claiming (adamantly) that he doesn’t know ANY of the woman — period — that have made allegations against him. That’s why this woman has responded.

  224. NYCmike says:

    I would love to see Robbie’s and “CG”‘s list about Trump policy decisions that they disagree with, and also a comparison of how Hillary would have handled that same policy (or how they agreed with the Obama policy that had been in place).

  225. mnw says:

    Vito

    I’m impressed you remember all those names! You could be the official cite historian. I’d completely forgotten most of those.

  226. mnw says:

    sb “site”

  227. NYCmike says:

    “My amateur psychologist theory is that a lot of the people here are kind of on the nerdy side and were bullied growing up.”

    -LOL!

  228. NYCmike says:

    “– To be fair, this comment section was basically anti-Trump, except for Tinfoil Tina and Bayernfan, until election day.”

    -Actually, once the primaries ended, it was mainly anti-Hillary and NOT-PRO-TRUMP, except for those who were vicious (MD) and condescending (MD) and sanctimonious (Cory, aka “CG”).

  229. Cash Cow TM says:

    Cash Cow did not vote for either DJT or HRC as cow felt both were unfit for office.

    Cow never has felt tht DJT was a conservative with conservative values (ala Ronald Reagan). He filled the role for many as the anti-Hillary.

    I can’t stand DJT’s persona and personality and I feel he lacks much.
    His personality is bonkers and off the rail.
    (rude, crude, unpresidential, inarticulate, divisive, etc.)

    I still hope he can be successful in accomplishing things that are good for the country…

    I do not see him ever uniting the country, even if Martians attacked the U.S. with the stated goal of killing everyone. In the face of advancing Martian hordes, many on the left would take a knee.

  230. mnw says:

    NYC

    All the really manly men voted for Zero (the “c*** curious” POTUS) AND for Hillary, didn’t you know that? Trump only got the pajama boys.

  231. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:53 pm
    Robbie and “CG”, those 2 of very high moral standards, are against the jury system developed over hundreds of years.
    Instead, they want allegations, innuendo, rumors, and court intrigue to rule the day.

    – Hop off your clown car and listen closely. This is a political process, not a legal one. I’ve said that repeatedly, but you refuse to listen. If good ole Roy wants to clear his name, quit the race and do so.

  232. Mr.Vito says:

    “a lot of the people here are kind of on the nerdy side and were bullied growing up…”

    I was friends with the nerds, the jocks, the geeks, the cool kids, and the social pariahs.

    Of course, I have gotten along with most everyone here, too.

  233. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:54 pm
    Too bad KING JEB!2016 did not attain his birthright.

    – Too bad Cruz showed himself to be a gutless wonder.

  234. lisab says:

    Do people genuinely believe Roy Moore is innocent of all these allegations or do you just not care?
    ————————————

    i genuinely believe none of the allegations are proven to even a “more likely true than not true” standard

  235. lisab says:

    although, i would not vote for moore anyway

    his non-secular stance on government would make me not vote for him

    (among other things)

  236. Chicon says:

    Robbie, are you sad that Rich Lowry has turned Trumpist? Of course, this is defined as realizing that there’s been real accomplishments in this Administration. Can you believe that dope?

  237. Chicon says:

    240 – you’re sounding like a deadender.

  238. Chicon says:

    Robbie – Kagan and Breyer have gone Trumpist, too, supporting him on the evil Muslim Ban. Sad.

  239. Mr.Vito says:

    Well, Dershowitz was right about the travel ban. As I said the other day, he has been on top of just about everything, so I don’t see why I would stop following him.

    Can someone let me know if Dershowitz is on the Fox and Friends guest list? I heard that might be a mark against him, but as I said, I don’t get FoxNews.

    Now I’ll go listen to the only show I listen to regularly… Ben Shapiro…

  240. mnw says:

    I really liked what Trump did today on the vast-y national monuments in UT.

    Using his pen & phone to grab all that land was one of Zero’s lesser-known atrocities.

  241. mnw says:

    Big crowd at state capital in SLC chanted “4 more years!”, btw.

  242. Mr.Vito says:

    Well, Shapiro seems to agree with my take.

    Maybe if I stop taking my advice from two neverTrump Jews from different parties… it somehow made me a Trump Chump.

  243. Mr.Vito says:

    “Maybe I should stop…”

  244. Tina says:

    Did Peter obta8n the phiny fisa warrant to wiretap? Reports sufgest yes.

  245. Tina says:

    Are we now back onto moore since muh obstruction is not going anywhere?

  246. Tina says:

    Its the oj jury all over?

    Right, but where is the dna.

    It is a he said she said thing, no hard evidence, but a possible fake yearbook signature that allred refused to authenticate.

    Allred, a. Super delegate for your candidate, hilkary

  247. Tina says:

    Google: “Tapper, Lewinsky, Date, Chubby”
    Google: “Tapper, Lewinsky, Date, Chubby”
    @NolteNC
    ·
    2h
    Comey’s legacy and Mueller’s investigation just took an extraordinary hit, perhaps a fatal one.
    Laura Jarrett
    @LauraAJarrett
    FBI agent dismissed from Mueller probe softened Comey’s description of Clinton email handling – CNNPolitics (link: http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/peter-strzok-james-comey/index.html) cnn.com/2017/12/04/pol…

  248. lisab says:

    Are we now back onto moore since muh obstruction is not going anywhere?
    ———————————-

    mueller gets paaid a lot

    he is going nowhere anyway

    the investigation will finish january 19th 2021 or 2025

  249. Tina says:

    ecause Moore said so.

    CG says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:01 pm
    My amateur psychologist theory is that a lot of the people here are kind of on the nerdy side and were bullied growing up. So, the “bully won” and they feel like they have to be on his side. It’s easier for them than standing up for what they probably realize is right somewhere inside.

    But I am just an amateur psychologist.

    My intelligence background indicates that you are an idiot.

  250. Tina says:

    McCabe either failed or purposely refused to tell Flynn that the FBI was heading over to the White House to see him personally. Flynn, no doubt surprised by the interview, did not have time to summon his attorney to help prepare for the FBI. McCabe withholding the motive behind the meeting raises questions of the FBI’s intentions to confuse or rattle Flynn and begs the question if it was a tactic to trip up the former National Security Advisor, ultimately contributing to a false statement being made.

    In jebot world, the end justifies the mean. Screw the constitution

  251. Tina says:

    Mnw, it seems like they got the initial, jan interview on a false set up, if Carters report is accurate.

    Even if not accurate, pete the cheat has damaged severely muellers authority.

  252. Tina says:

    The Office Of Inspector General (DOJ) has opened a full investigation against the following:
    – Director James Comey
    – Assistant Director McCabe
    – Attorney General L. Lynch

    Boom.

  253. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    You clearly will not allow for Moore to be innocent, while I allow that he may be guilty.

    Speaks to your “christian” nature.

  254. janz says:

    So, Why Did Flynn Lie is another theory introduced by an American Thinker piece. The cliff note version is simply “he was scared at being caught talking to the Russians.”

    Tina, #259 I hope you are correct about that investigation. It would be refreshing for the DOJ to actually go after definitive wrongdoing, rather than political end games.

  255. Tina says:

    I’ve read all of Comey’s memos. They would be exhibit A for an obstruction of justice case…for the Defense, not the Prosecution. If Comey felt like PDJT was obstructing justice, he (Comey) did a masterful job of keeping it out of the memos.”

    Jebots world is crashing down.

    So gowdy confirms no obstruction and comedy testified in the senate that no pressure of any kind

  256. Tina says:

    Yes, investigation, ig, opened in january.

    In addition to 3separate investigations into mccabe.

  257. Tina says:

    I am convinced that trump should pardon flynn, a war hero.

  258. Tina says:

    And just to recap

    Nick Short ??
    ?
    @PoliticalShort
    FBI Agent Strzok:

    -Involved early w/Clinton email case
    -Part of Comey’s email memo to exonerate Clinton
    -Part of review over Abedin/Weiners emails found w/classified info
    -Supervised Russia probe starting July 2016
    -Key handler for Steele & phony dossier
    -Anti-Trump, Pro-Hillary
    1

  259. Tina says:

    RNC BACK IN AL RACE, SUPPORTING MOORE.

  260. janz says:

    Here’s another interesting analysis of the Flynn case, including some anecdotal comments from people who worked with him. They described him as a “man who cared about the truth” — a “complusive truth-teller” in fact.

    Consequently it continues to be odd he is being indicted for a lie. However, it is being said his lawyer fees were a million dollars, and Mueller was apparently easing up on dogging his son. The man was definitely ground down by Mueller’s team. What a country we’ve become!

  261. janz says:

    Strzok seems to be a corrupt figure in this whole mess.

  262. mnw says:

    Tina

    It’s OK legally to interview someone “under false pretenses.” Every time a police confidential informant makes a consensually-recorded phone call to a suspect, that’s an interview “under false pretenses,” I suppose. Police are never required to tell the truth to a suspect about what they are really up to, during the course of an investigation.

    “Hi, my name is Special Agent Smith. I’m a narcotics investigator. Can you sell me a half a key?”

  263. NYCmike says:

    “Strzok seems to be a corrupt figure in this whole mess.”

    -No way.

    He is next-in-line for Pope, if only Robbie could get the Marxist out of the way……

  264. NYCmike says:

    “Can you sell me a half a key?”

    -If YES, that will be a good excuse for when your wife asks “Why didn’t you come home last night?”

  265. jason says:

    Wobbie the moron said I did a 180 on Trump?

    Zzzzz…

    I just accepted the results of the election and decided to support him where IMO its in the interest of the country.

    And its true I like Trump much better as President than I did as candidate, exactly because I think SOME of the things he is doing for the country are good. Where I don’t agree, I have been clear about not agreeing.

    Not moving on from the primaries and taking a rigid “I am going to continue to hate and attack Trump no matter what the circumstance” is really stupid.

    But then, Wobbie is really stupid.

    GFY.

  266. Tina says:

    No doubt, flynn could have said not with my lawyah present. Interview over, once it went from transition orientatiin stuff to the coup de etat.

  267. Tina says:

    Rottie is really stupid…

    Nothing more can be stated.

  268. jason says:

    If good ole Roy wants to clear his name, quit the race and do so.”

    LOL, should everyone faced with political hit pieces orchestrated by the MSM have to “quit the race”?

    You really are an idiot.

  269. mnw says:

    Yeah, I thought Trump was appalling. I got banned from Lucianne for torturing the Trumpistas.

    I thought he was a secret liberal (there was a lot of evidence to support that), & I thought he would lose in a landslide worse than Goldwater did.

  270. jason says:

    You clearly will not allow for Moore to be innocent, while I allow that he may be guilty.”

    Wow, not bad….

    I have to agree with something NYC said. I will take a shower and be back.

  271. Tina says:

    Trump has surprised me.

    Larget tax cut in 30 years.

    Cuts to the fed gubment

    Largest reg cuts maybe even more than reagan?

    Most competent cabinet that I can remember.

    Great justices, so far.

  272. jason says:

    I don’t know if Moore is guilty or not of the sex allegations, but I think the timing stinks and the MSM involvement is highly. I don’t believe 40 year old unsubstantiated allegations should derail anyone’s political career or personal life.

    I would never vote for Moore, even if he was running against the ghost of Jeffrey Dahmer. But nothing to do with these allegations.

  273. jason says:

    Highly suspect I meant above.

  274. Tina says:

    And one of flynns offenses was he could not remeber. He was tasked to contact several foreign officials. Transition was hectic.

    What the fbi learned, they already had. Nothing significant or criminal in his bevaior by contacting officials.

    This is an unprecedented reach.

  275. jason says:

    “I hought he was a secret liberal (there was a lot of evidence to support that), & I thought he would lose in a landslide worse than Goldwater did.”

    Yeah, I shared those thoughts for awhile. I changed my view of the landslide but not about him being a liberal before the election.

    I still think he is no conservative and still a big government proponent, kept in check because he is an opportunist.

  276. Tina says:

    How the fbi got it, is troubling, if theough the illegal warrant.

  277. NYCmike says:

    “I have to agree with something NYC said. I will take a shower and be back.”

    -GFY.

    And use extra soap.

    Walking in (BULL)sh*t all day will have that affect.

  278. NYCmike says:

    “CG” knows that the women-seeking-“Michael” is not the salmon-coat-wearing-Michael…….hmmmmm……

  279. DW says:

    Bryan Singer (D) – Film Director added to list:

    Al Franken (D) – Entertainer, US senator
    Al Green (D) – US Congressman
    Andrew Kreisberg (D) – Film producer
    Bill Clinton (D) – 42nd POTUS
    Bill O’Reilly (I) – Journalist/Entertainer
    Brett Ratner (D) – Film Producer
    Bruce Weber (D) – Fashion photographer
    Bryan Singer (D) – Film Director
    Bryon Hefner (D)
    Charlie Rose (D) – Journalist
    Dan Schoen (D) – State senator, MN
    David Sweeney (D) – NPR Chief News editor
    Dustin Hoffman (D) – Actor
    Ed Westwick (D) – Actor
    Garrison Keillor (D) – Radio host
    Geoffrey Rush (D) – Actor
    George H. W. Bush (R) – 41st POTUS
    George Takei (D) – Actor
    Geraldo Rivera (D) – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush (D) – Journalist
    Harvey Weinstein (D) – Film producer
    Israel Horovitz (D) – Playwright, director, actor
    Jack Latvala (R) – FL state senator
    James Levine (D) – Symphony Orchestra conductor
    Jeffrey Tambor (D) – Comedian
    Jeremy Piven (D) – Actor
    Joe Barton (R) – US Congressman
    John Conyers (D) – US congressman
    John Lasseter (D) – Film director, animator
    Kevin Spacey (D) – Film producer
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Louis C.K. (D) – Comedian
    Mark Halperin (D) – Journalist
    Mascot – LA Kings
    Matt Lauer (D) – Journalist
    Michael Oreskes (D) – NPR VP of News
    Oliver Stone (D) – Film producer, director
    Randy Baumgardner (R) – CO State Senator
    Raul Grijalvas (D) – US Congressman
    Richard Dreyfuss (D) – Actor
    Roy Moore (R) – Alabama judge
    Ruben Kihuen (D) – US Congressman
    Russell Simmons (D) – Music Mogul
    Steven Seagal (D) – Film producer
    Sylvester Stallone (R) – Film actor
    Teddy Davis (D) – CNN senior producer
    Tony Cornish (R) – State representative, MN
    Tyler Grasham (D) – Hollywood agent

  280. NYCmike says:

    I thought Tony Cornish was Hen Pecked.

  281. Tina says:

    Mulehead appears to have lied. Peter was removed by the ig office, not mulehead.

  282. NYCmike says:

    https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2017/12/04/oh-the-humanity-nancy-pelosi-takes-the-prize-for-hottest-tax-reform-take/

    -jason, Bitterlaw,

    I think Trump may send some political donation$ to Democrats again.

    Forgive him in advance.

  283. DW says:

    Peter Martins (D) – Director NYC Ballet

    Al Franken (D) – Entertainer, US senator
    Al Green (D) – US Congressman
    Andrew Kreisberg (D) – Film producer
    Bill Clinton (D) – 42nd POTUS
    Bill O’Reilly (I) – Journalist/Entertainer
    Brett Ratner (D) – Film Producer
    Bruce Weber (D) – Fashion photographer
    Bryan Singer (D) – Film Director
    Bryon Hefner (D)
    Charlie Rose (D) – Journalist
    Dan Schoen (D) – State senator, MN
    David Sweeney (D) – NPR Chief News editor
    Dustin Hoffman (D) – Actor
    Ed Westwick (D) – Actor
    Garrison Keillor (D) – Radio host
    Geoffrey Rush (D) – Actor
    George H. W. Bush (R) – 41st POTUS
    George Takei (D) – Actor
    Geraldo Rivera (D) – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush (D) – Journalist
    Harvey Weinstein (D) – Film producer
    Israel Horovitz (D) – Playwright, director, actor
    Jack Latvala (R) – FL state senator
    James Levine (D) – Symphony Orchestra conductor
    Jeffrey Tambor (D) – Comedian
    Jeremy Piven (D) – Actor
    Joe Barton (R) – US Congressman
    John Conyers (D) – US congressman
    John Lasseter (D) – Film director, animator
    Kevin Spacey (D) – Film producer
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Louis C.K. (D) – Comedian
    Mark Halperin (D) – Journalist
    Mascot – LA Kings
    Matt Lauer (D) – Journalist
    Michael Oreskes (D) – NPR VP of News
    Oliver Stone (D) – Film producer, director
    Peter Martins (D) – Director NYC Ballet
    Randy Baumgardner (R) – CO State Senator
    Raul Grijalvas (D) – US Congressman
    Richard Dreyfuss (D) – Actor
    Roy Moore (R) – Alabama judge
    Ruben Kihuen (D) – US Congressman
    Russell Simmons (D) – Music Mogul
    Steven Seagal (D) – Film producer
    Sylvester Stallone (R) – Film actor
    Teddy Davis (D) – CNN senior producer
    Tony Cornish (R) – State representative, MN
    Tyler Grasham (D) – Hollywood agent

  284. Tina says:

    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    NEW: Embattled FBI supervisor Peter Strzok also conducted the interviews with Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills, in which they falsely claimed they didn’t know about Hillary’s email server when she was Secretary of State. http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/04/clinton-aides-went-unpunished-after-making-false-statements-to-anti-trump-fbi-supervisor/ … @dailycaller

    Boom

  285. Tina says:

    So, they skate, but flynn is charged.

  286. janz says:

    Tina, there are articles all over the place piecing together all the players, weird circumstances, contradictions, and hypocrisies involved in Mueller’s investigation. It’s incredible how blatantly biased Mueller has processed this whole thing — putting people in charge who are either corrupt or driven by ideological logic cemented in the left side of the aisle.

    Like someone said the other day, it’s like being in an alternative universe called “the twilight zone,” just reading and believing all this stuff!

  287. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    247. “I really liked what Trump did today on the vast-y national monuments in UT. Using his pen & phone to grab all that land was one of Zero’s lesser-known atrocities.”

    As someone from Utah(who works in an energy-related field), my views not surprisingly reflect those of others in Utah.

    Agree that Bears Ear should have been reduced in size, although thought it was too much of a reduction. A recent poll in Utah showed support for reducing the size of Bears Ear was 51% approve; while 37% disapprove.

    However, am strongly opposed to reducing the size of Grand Staircase/Escalante. Likewise 53% of Utahns oppose it, and only 27% support.

    Attempted to go into Zions National Park on November 20th. The place was packed. They actually had to close access to the main canyon by mid-morning because there were so many people. In the past going off season was not a problem, and they do not operate the shuttle. Over the last five years, attendance in major Utah national parks has risen over 40%.

    Park tourism is a multi-billion dollar business in Utah, and a major driver of the economy. Am sure everyone has seen the state’s tourist adds about visiting the state and going to the national parks. Would make sense to expand the locations it takes place, including in the Grand Staircase area.

    As far as other uses, ranching is not that lucrative, and there is controversy over the artificially low fees that federal government charges for grazing rights. Am very sympathetic to the ranch and small town interests, but the
    underlying economics are not in their favor.

    Likewise, there is very little potential energy production in those areas, as was recently pointed out by the Utah governor. The energy boom is taking place in eastern Utah.

    One good point about this is removing the monument status will not effect either federal ownership, or preservation of most the sensitive areas. They remain mostly protected, and there is now a bit more flexibility in allowing other uses.

    Also have to say that this is squarely Obama’s fault. Grand Staircase was gaining wide acceptance, and likely would have been left alone if Obama had not designated the huge Bears Ear area as a national monument. Even environmentalists were shaking their heads why? It include miles and miles of flat sagebrush with no special features.

    Hopefully, we will get all of Grand Staircase back in a few years.

  288. Tina says:

    I gave mulehead the benefit of the doubt, but it is clear that his investigation is corrupt.

  289. Tina says:

    Mnw,

    Miranda Warning Required Where FBI Interviewed Suspect at Place of Employment
    U.S. v. Laurita (2014)

    Reports suggest that they never granted this warning , as legally required. They came to flynn for a different matter.

  290. janz says:

    DW — here is another addition to your “list of shameful actors,” as I call it:

    Matt Debabneh, a CA D assemblyman.

  291. DW says:

    Al Franken (D) – Entertainer, US senator
    Al Green (D) – US Congressman
    Andrew Kreisberg (D) – Film producer
    Bill Clinton (D) – 42nd POTUS
    Bill O’Reilly (I) – Journalist/Entertainer
    Brett Ratner (D) – Film Producer
    Bruce Weber (D) – Fashion photographer
    Bryan Singer (D) – Film Director
    Bryon Hefner (D)
    Charlie Rose (D) – Journalist
    Dan Schoen (D) – State senator, MN
    David Sweeney (D) – NPR Chief News editor
    Dustin Hoffman (D) – Actor
    Ed Westwick (D) – Actor
    Garrison Keillor (D) – Radio host
    Geoffrey Rush (D) – Actor
    George H. W. Bush (R) – 41st POTUS
    George Takei (D) – Actor
    Geraldo Rivera (D) – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush (D) – Journalist
    Harvey Weinstein (D) – Film producer
    Israel Horovitz (D) – Playwright, director, actor
    Jack Latvala (R) – FL state senator
    James Levine (D) – Symphony Orchestra conductor
    Jeffrey Tambor (D) – Comedian
    Jeremy Piven (D) – Actor
    Joe Barton (R) – US Congressman
    John Conyers (D) – US congressman
    John Lasseter (D) – Film director, animator
    Kevin Spacey (D) – Film producer
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Louis C.K. (D) – Comedian
    Mark Halperin (D) – Journalist
    Mascot – LA Kings
    Matt Debabneh (D) – CA Assemblyman
    Matt Lauer (D) – Journalist
    Michael Oreskes (D) – NPR VP of News
    Oliver Stone (D) – Film producer, director
    Peter Martins (D) – Director NYC Ballet
    Randy Baumgardner (R) – CO State Senator
    Raul Grijalvas (D) – US Congressman
    Richard Dreyfuss (D) – Actor
    Roy Moore (R) – Alabama judge
    Ruben Kihuen (D) – US Congressman
    Russell Simmons (D) – Music Mogul
    Steven Seagal (D) – Film producer
    Sylvester Stallone (R) – Film actor
    Teddy Davis (D) – CNN senior producer
    Tony Cornish (R) – State representative, MN
    Tyler Grasham (D) – Hollywood agent

  292. janz says:

    Supposedly “we’re going to be stunned by what they uncover,” in reference to emails coming out later in December and into January. That’s what Sara Carter said. However, it seems that no matter how much the ordinary person is “stunned,” by these continuing revelations, the media directs all conversation only to morsels involving nailing Trump.

  293. NYCmike says:

    janz,

    He has denied them. I think he, along with Roy Moore, and any others who have denied it, should NOT be on the list.

    The women need to prove these allegations, not just make them.

  294. janz says:

    Wow, that was a fast addition, DW!

    It’s convenient having such a long list in first name alphabetical order, DW. Thanks!

  295. jason says:

    “I have to agree with something NYC said. I will take a shower and be back.”

    -GFY.”

    HHR is a tough place…

    Try to be nice and what do you get…

  296. jason says:

    Nobody throws a ball in the rain like Andy Dalton

    – Jon Gruden

  297. janz says:

    The difference between him and Moore, NYC, is that these allegations are more current, while Moore’s are close to 4 decades old. But, you do have a point about proving allegations. However, I think DW’s list is one denoting all the allegations being made, as Moore’s name is on that list too, along with Matt Debabneh.

  298. jason says:

    Who is Sara Carter?

  299. jason says:

    Strzok is now “embattled”?

    Not good, normally you have to be a Republican to be “embattled”.

  300. janz says:

    Sara Carter is an investigative reporter, for Circa News (I think). She has been tenacious in following up leads on various newsworthy controversies. Reminds me of Sheryl Attkinson.

  301. janz says:

    By all rights, Strzok should be “toast,” and gone, rather than simply demoted.

  302. Tina says:

    The jebot hates sarah carter.

  303. jason says:

    The jebot hates sarah carter.”

    He only likes fake news.

    Note he has never mentioned again Brian Ross story that got him drooling like Pavlov’s dogs the other day.

  304. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Meanwhile, Lewandowski has come out with a book that is going to create all sorts of fun. An excerpt from a Fox News article.

    “The story published the following day revealed details that Manafort and his deputy Rick Gates “never disclosed their work as foreign agents as required under federal law.”
    Lewandowski and Bossie recall Trump saying “’I’ve got a crook running my campaign,’” and further recall Trump requesting “Jared” [Kushner] fire him.
    The book foreshadowed the current state of play for both Manafort and Gates, who were among the first charged in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian election meddling and potential collusion with Trump campaign officials during the 2016 election. They have pleaded not guilty.
    Lewandowski writes that the day Manafort became campaign chairman “has to be one of the worst of his life.”
    “Because now the spotlight is directly on him,” Lewandowski writes. “And Paul never looked good under the lights – I think it’s all the Botox.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/04/trump-campaign-drama-book-reveals-manafort-clashes-trump-superstitions-epic-tirades.html

    Americans love reality TV so much, they created their own show in the White House.

  305. Mr.Vito says:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rev-jesse-jackson-john-singleton-accused-sexual-harassment-article-1.3617222

    Two more for DW, although, I think no one over 35 is going to be shocked by Jesse Jackson being on the list.

  306. lisab says:

    dutch men wear skirts to protest rapes by muslim refugees

    that will work

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=45&v=fYOORimbpUs

  307. Trump says:

    Al Franken (D) – Entertainer, US senator
    Al Green (D) – US Congressman
    Andrew Kreisberg (D) – Film producer
    Bill Clinton (D) – 42nd POTUS
    Bill O’Reilly (I) – Journalist/Entertainer
    Brett Ratner (D) – Film Producer
    Bruce Weber (D) – Fashion photographer
    Bryan Singer (D) – Film Director
    Bryon Hefner (D)
    Charlie Rose (D) – Journalist
    Dan Schoen (D) – State senator, MN
    David Sweeney (D) – NPR Chief News editor
    Donald Trump (R)
    Dustin Hoffman (D) – Actor
    Ed Westwick (D) – Actor
    Garrison Keillor (D) – Radio host
    Geoffrey Rush (D) – Actor
    George H. W. Bush (R) – 41st POTUS
    George Takei (D) – Actor
    Geraldo Rivera (D) – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush (D) – Journalist
    Harvey Weinstein (D) – Film producer
    Israel Horovitz (D) – Playwright, director, actor
    Jack Latvala (R) – FL state senator
    James Levine (D) – Symphony Orchestra conductor
    Jeffrey Tambor (D) – Comedian
    Jeremy Piven (D) – Actor
    Joe Barton (R) – US Congressman
    John Conyers (D) – US congressman
    John Lasseter (D) – Film director, animator
    Kevin Spacey (D) – Film producer
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Louis C.K. (D) – Comedian
    Mark Halperin (D) – Journalist
    Mascot – LA Kings
    Matt Debabneh (D) – CA Assemblyman
    Matt Lauer (D) – Journalist
    Michael Oreskes (D) – NPR VP of News
    Oliver Stone (D) – Film producer, director
    Peter Martins (D) – Director NYC Ballet
    Randy Baumgardner (R) – CO State Senator
    Raul Grijalvas (D) – US Congressman
    Richard Dreyfuss (D) – Actor
    Roy Moore (R) – Alabama judge
    Ruben Kihuen (D) – US Congressman
    Russell Simmons (D) – Music Mogul
    Steven Seagal (D) – Film producer
    Sylvester Stallone (R) – Film actor
    Teddy Davis (D) – CNN senior producer
    Tony Cornish (R) – State representative, MN
    Tyler Grasham (D) – Hollywood agent

  308. lisab says:

    what could possibly go wrong?
    ———————————–

    Operation Merlin was a United States covert operation under the Clinton Administration to provide Iran with a flawed design for a component of a nuclear weapon ostensibly in order to delay the alleged Iranian nuclear weapons program, or to frame Iran.

    Operation Merlin backfired when the CIA’s Russian contact/messenger noticed flaws in the schematics and told the Iranian nuclear scientists. Instead of crippling Iran’s nuclear program, the book alleges, Operation Merlin may have accelerated it by providing useful information: once the flaws were identified,

  309. lisab says:

    president lisab: soooooooo … you are suggesting we hire a russian nuclear scientist to give plans of one of our nuclear bombs to the iranians?!!!!

    cia: yes … but we will change the plans a little bit so that there is a fatal flaw in the design, and they won’t figure that out for years! brilliant huh!

    president lisab: soooooooo … you are suggesting we hire a russian NUCLEAR SCIENTIST to give plans of one of our nuclear bombs to the iranians?!!!!

  310. Mr.Vito says:

    “what could possibly go wrong?”

    Well, I see they ‘fixed’ it by jailing the whistleblower…

  311. lisab says:

    John McCain asked for 74 new Twitter followers to help him reach 3 million and immediately lost thousands

  312. jason says:

    5 AM… slab bacon and scrapple sizzling in frying pan and coffee brewing….

  313. Bitterlaw says:

    I had a great practice last night. My best player from last year grew 1-2 inches since March.

    I reviewed the thread. Nothing new.

    I agree that this place is pretty pro-Trump. No way to deny it. However, Robbie and Corey are so anti-Trump, there is some balance.

    I find Donald Trump to be a vile scumbag as a person. I like his judicial picks. If he could find the votes, I suspect that he would support some liberal plans. However, he stopped Hillary. I focus on that even when he makes me cringe.

  314. Bitterlaw says:

    Breaking News – No woman who was in her 30s when Moore was in his 30s admits to dating him back then.

  315. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #325
    A quick and dirty “fisking” shows this as a R+7 poll, similar to FOX and the Washington Post polls which also show Jones with a similar lead.

  316. Bitterlaw says:

    Sheeple – Polls showing Jones leading do not fit the pro-Moore narrative. Please reweight this one.

  317. MichiganGuy says:

    Here’s my take on the Gravis Poll. So, as to not make BL cry we will say it is legit. Their last poll had Moore down by 5 this poll has Moore down by 4. So, good news there. Next, the poll claims Moore is only getting 76% of Republicans. Now this poll was taken before Trump openly embraced Moore with the Tweets

    “Donald J. Trump?
    Verified account

    @realDonaldTrump
    Dec 4

    Democrats refusal to give even one vote for massive Tax Cuts is why we need Republican Roy Moore to win in Alabama. We need his vote on stopping crime, illegal immigration, Border Wall, Military, Pro Life, V.A., Judges 2nd Amendment and more. No to Jones, a Pelosi/Schumer Puppet!

    Putting Pelosi/Schumer Liberal Puppet Jones into office in Alabama would hurt our great Republican Agenda of low on taxes, tough on crime, strong on military and borders…& so much more. Look at your 401-k’s since Election. Highest Stock Market EVER! Jobs are roaring back!

    Also before the RNC reversed itself and again supports Moore for the Senate. Add to that only forty-two percent of the respondents said they believe the accusations against Moore, but 34 percent said they do not and 24 percent said they were undecided. This leaves at lot of room for Moore to grow. As we all know Alabama is a deep state. I believe with one week to go unless the dems do another major hit job on Moore he will win There is 8% undecided. I believe those undecided will brake for Moore unless the allegations are proven. Lastly, what happened to Emerson’s claim that Busby is at 5%. Gravis doesn’t even show him on their radar. LOL

  318. MichiganGuy says:

    deep red state*

  319. Bitterlaw says:

    MG has done an impressive job of convincing himself.

    I view Moore as I viewed Trump. He is a dirtbag. Unfortunately, if he loses a Democrat wins. I think he will lose but I prefer that he wins by one vote.

  320. Bitterlaw says:

    If the newest story (17 year old kissing Moore when he was in his 30s) is true, can we at least agree that is creepy? There is no pure reason to date teens in your 30s. Did Moore and this teen discuss their deep interest in David Cassidy’s music?

  321. Bitterlaw says:

    2 Temple University students dead from drugs. I do to know when this carnage will end.

    http://www.pennlive.com/daily-buzz/2017/12/cause_of_death_in_for_2_temple.html

  322. Redmen4ever says:

    Gravis and WP did well in Virginia, as did Change Research. A lot (but not all) of the “good news” in that state was from R-friendly pollsters. The problem was turnout. Almost all polls weight their samples by demographics which demographics largely determine the vote. And, the Ds had a significantly higher off-year turnout than we had.

    Shift to Alabama, we have the possibility of a Scott Brown result. Scott Brown, now our ambassador to New Zealand, won in a Deep Blue state, and shifted the number of Democrats in the Senate from 60 to 59. Brown’s election signaled the end of the ability of the Democrats to pass legislation. Of course, the specifics differ in Alabama.

    Among the specifics is the air war. Once the Democrats sensed blood in the water, they started a massive advertising campaign. My rule of thumb is that unanswered advertising can move the dial 10 points. Moore is in real trouble, as is the tenuous hold of the Republicans in the Senate. He is damaged goods, and not simply because of the accusation of sexual misconduct. But he is the Republican candidate.

  323. Waingro says:

    “Roy Moore now claims he knows none of his accusers, contradicting his earlier defenses”

    https://t.co/N3MeBp52eT?amp=1

  324. mnw says:

    Tina

    Unless you think Flynn was in custody when he was interviewed, i.e., not free to leave, then Miranda warnings were not required.

    But… I like you. You probably missed your calling. Also, citing district court opinions is certainly… harmless, but often not very useful as precedent.

  325. Chicon says:

    334 – best thing Moore can do is close the pie hole; opening it is counterproductive in his case.

  326. MichiganGuy says:

    Waingro, still hating on Moore I see. How did that prediction of Moore quitting the race pan out for ya. LOL

  327. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    DW
    This is a tough one for The List because it is aiding and abetting sexual misconduct, not direct misbehavior.Please let me know your decision on this one.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/04/house-settled-lawsuit-after-meeks-fired-staffer-who-reported-sexual-assault-related-to-donor/

  328. Chicon says:

    What’s the name of this biased FBI agent? Is it Forest Gump? He’s everywhere.

  329. Bitterlaw says:

    I hate Moore. I want him to win.

    Both can be true.

  330. Chicon says:

    341 – indeed. Unlike Trump (when he was running), Moore has been in government and has proven he’s not too worried about the Constitution.

  331. DW says:

    Again, the purpose of the list is to track those under credible sounding allegation, where the posture of the accused ranges widely from denial all the way to admitting charges are true. If I had time I would put a ranking code by each name to indicate how serious/bad the situation is.

    Adding Gregory Meeks and Blake Farenthold who both used taxpayer dollars to pay off settlements to women. Its not quite the same as most of the others, so I will indicate so.

    Adding Jesse Jackson due to new allegations coming out, and John Singleton:

    Al Franken (D) – Entertainer, US senator
    Al Green (D) – US Congressman
    Andrew Kreisberg (D) – Film producer
    Bill Clinton (D) – 42nd POTUS
    Bill O’Reilly (I) – Journalist/Entertainer
    $Blake Farenthold (R) – US Congressman
    Brett Ratner (D) – Film Producer
    Bruce Weber (D) – Fashion photographer
    Bryan Singer (D) – Film Director
    Bryon Hefner (D)
    Charlie Rose (D) – Journalist
    Dan Schoen (D) – State senator, MN
    David Sweeney (D) – NPR Chief News editor
    Dustin Hoffman (D) – Actor
    Ed Westwick (D) – Actor
    Garrison Keillor (D) – Radio host
    Geoffrey Rush (D) – Actor
    George H. W. Bush (R) – 41st POTUS
    George Takei (D) – Actor
    Geraldo Rivera (D) – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush (D) – Journalist
    $Gregory Meeks (D) – US Congressman
    Harvey Weinstein (D) – Film producer
    Israel Horovitz (D) – Playwright, director, actor
    Jack Latvala (R) – FL state senator
    James Levine (D) – Symphony Orchestra conductor
    Jeffrey Tambor (D) – Comedian
    Jeremy Piven (D) – Actor
    Jesse Jackson (D) – Activist, politician
    Joe Barton (R) – US Congressman
    John Conyers (D) – US congressman
    John Lasseter (D) – Film director, animator
    John Singleton (D) – Film director
    Kevin Spacey (D) – Film producer
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Louis C.K. (D) – Comedian
    Mark Halperin (D) – Journalist
    Mascot – LA Kings
    Matt Debabneh (D) – CA Assemblyman
    Matt Lauer (D) – Journalist
    Michael Oreskes (D) – NPR VP of News
    Oliver Stone (D) – Film producer, director
    Peter Martins (D) – Director NYC Ballet
    Randy Baumgardner (R) – CO State Senator
    Raul Grijalvas (D) – US Congressman
    Richard Dreyfuss (D) – Actor
    Roy Moore (R) – Alabama judge
    Ruben Kihuen (D) – US Congressman
    Russell Simmons (D) – Music Mogul
    Steven Seagal (D) – Film producer
    Sylvester Stallone (R) – Film actor
    Teddy Davis (D) – CNN senior producer
    Tony Cornish (R) – State representative, MN
    Tyler Grasham (D) – Hollywood agent

    $ – Indicates used taxpayer dollars in a settlement

  332. jason says:

    “Their last poll had Moore down by 5 this poll has Moore down by 4. So, good news there”

    LOL

    I love this place.

  333. jason says:

    Moore is much worse than Trump.

    Yes, Trump funded Schumer for decades, favored partial birth abortion, , but he didn’t violate his oath of office and trample all over the rule of law and the Constitution or try to make up his own laws.

  334. jason says:

    I believe those undecided will brake for Moore”

    I think MG should finish grade school first and THEN take a shot at political blogs.

  335. jason says:

    But I am on record here as saying I think the undecided will break for Moore too.

    Now I have to go out and check the brakes on the buggy.

  336. jason says:

    If the newest story (17 year old kissing Moore when he was in his 30s) is true, can we at least agree that is creepy?”

    Huh, is that the new standard? Kissing?

    The average age for loss of virginity for women in the US is 17.2 years. I hate to break it to Bitter but most women lose their virginity while still their teens.

    I am sorry, there is a lot to be critical of Moore about, he is a loathsome creature. But kissing a 17-year old is not the reason.

  337. DW says:

    I read the article about Scott Brown and I do not believe he warrants inclusion on this list.

  338. Chicon says:

    348 – how out of the ordinary was it in AL at that time for men in their 30’s to court females in their teens? (I think I need a shower after asking that). Sounds bad to me, but I’d like to know the context.

    Note to Wobbie – asking a question is simply asking a question. The answers are then used to form opinions. My opinion on Moore is similar to Jason’s.

  339. Ron N says:

    I hate to say this but back in High School in the late 70 early 80’s it was common for high school girls to date older man. It might be creepy now but back then it just pissed off the high school guys. So I do believe the girls who say that but, I do not buy the story of the 2 girls the 14/16 that he sexually abused them mostly because of Allred.

  340. Redmen4ever says:

    Kissing as sexual misconduct.

    This is on par with saying the words pubic hair. Basically, if you kiss a female or say the words pubic hair, and not allow her to get an abortion, you’re guilty. As to why merely saying the words pubic hair can get a female pregnant, this would depend on the sexual potency of the male in question. Males of a certain persuasion are thought by many to be quite virile. On the other hand, other males not of that persuasion would actually have to make physical contact, i.e., kiss.

    Then there is Donald Trump. One of his accusers said he looked at me. This is why Trump outperformed in the voting booth relative to the polls. Most men and a lot of women are reluctant to admit they admire men with that kind of potency.

  341. mnw says:

    The most hopeful thing for Moore right now is that Trump jumped in with both feet.

    I think (hope?) that Trump is too shrewd politically to have done that unless he was reasonably confident that Moore would win. However, Trump’s endorsement in the primary obviously didn’t impress Alabamans much.

    Gravis poll is respectable, no denying that.

  342. mnw says:

    Redmen

    I read a biography of Elvis Presley. All the girls he dated (actresses & models mostly) thought he was retarded because all he usually wanted to do was kiss & cuddle.

  343. Mr.Vito says:

    Speaking of kiss

    Gene Simmons was 28 when KISS charted the song “Christine Sixteen” in 1977.

  344. jason says:

    Mueller has requested bank records for Trump.

    Wobbie will be here soon.

  345. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – I am not naïve. I know what teens do. I used to be one. I do think guys in their 30s doing things, including kissing, is creepy.

    Sue me.

  346. jason says:

    Another thing that helps Moore is that the shock factor wears off and people judge the situation on a more rational basis.

    Like “yeah I think Moore is scum but do I really want a left wing moonbat in the Senate representing AL”?

  347. Redmen4ever says:

    Elvis was raised in the church. I realize he died of alcohol and drug abuse, but we all sin and God is forgiving. He was great gospel singer and a great American.

  348. jason says:

    However Gary Puckett knew better…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn0ZJHVH17I

  349. mnw says:

    Redmen

    RE: Elvis

    He was an example of arrested development. Didn’t have anything to do with religion. His sexual maturation more or less stopped at adolescence— his stage & screen image notwithstanding.

  350. Redmen4ever says:

    Trump and Deutsche Bank: Deutsche Bank was, I believe, the lead bank on the Trump Chicago Deal, and has been a lender in other projects including Trump National in Florida and The Old Post Office in Washington, D.C.

    Trump has also relied on: Goldman Sachs, Chase, and other multi-national money center banks.

    These are obviously all front groups for the Rockefeller-Rothchilds, the Bilderbergers, the trilateralists, and therefore for the new mastermind of world domination, Vladimir Putin. Obviously, once you’ve thought about it, Putin must be himself a front man, otherwise we wouldn’t know about him. This reasoning precludes George Soros, Saul Alinsky and Angela Merkel. Furthermore, Robert Mueller is just a front man himself. The only think we can conclude is that Donald Trump is the one man standing between them, whoever or whatever they are, and world domination

  351. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    John Conyers(D-MI) has announced that he is retiring TODAY! Bye-Bye!

  352. Phil says:

    Bank records?

    And this is relevant to Russian election collusion exactly how?

    What a croc.

  353. mnw says:

    Rep. Farenthold (R-TX) needs to be right behind Conyers. He paid out $84000 in tax money to settle a sex harassment claim. Saying “I’ll pay that money back” just isn’t going to cut it.

    Pelosi said there was another Congressperson who also did that. Name as yet unknown.

  354. Tom says:

    At the end of the day, the Republicans in Alabama are going to hold their collective noses and vote for Moore because they could not abide sending a liberal Democrat to the Senate to represent them. I agree with Bitter – I hate Moore but would vote for him. I hate Trump, but would vote for him again over Hillary (or any other Democrat).

  355. jason says:

    I don’t like Moore and wouldn’t vote for him.

    Yet I hope he wins by one vote.

    Sue me.

  356. janz says:

    You’re consistent, Jason.

  357. hugh says:

    This investigation is now a race for Mueller to maximize the damage on trump in a hope to avoid the exposure of the corruption in the FBIs leadership. If Session can not do his job because he recused himself he should quit. Time to investigate the investigators. This has become a witch hunt going after his bank records for the last 20 years. Also, where are the republicans blasting this behavior like the Clintons and the dems did with Starr. He was complete damaged goods. Trey Gowdy and the rest of them excluding Nunes and Grassley are useless.

  358. Trump says:

    I hope Jones wins by one vote or more.

  359. Trump says:

    Rep. Farenthold is a Republican so he is fine paying $84,000 of tax payer money to sex harrassment claims. He just needs Trump to help him out.

  360. DW says:

    Added Danny Masterson

    Al Franken (D) – Entertainer, US senator
    Al Green (D) – US Congressman
    Andrew Kreisberg (D) – Film producer
    Bill Clinton (D) – 42nd POTUS
    Bill O’Reilly (I) – Journalist/Entertainer
    $ Blake Farenthold (R) – US Congressman
    Brett Ratner (D) – Film Producer
    Bruce Weber (D) – Fashion photographer
    Bryan Singer (D) – Film Director
    Bryon Hefner (D)
    Charlie Rose (D) – Journalist
    Dan Schoen (D) – State senator, MN
    Danny Masterson (D) – Actor
    David Sweeney (D) – NPR Chief News editor
    Dustin Hoffman (D) – Actor
    Ed Westwick (D) – Actor
    Garrison Keillor (D) – Radio host
    Geoffrey Rush (D) – Actor
    George H. W. Bush (R) – 41st POTUS
    George Takei (D) – Actor
    Geraldo Rivera (D) – Journalist
    Glenn Thrush (D) – Journalist
    $ Gregory Meeks (D) – US Congressman
    Harvey Weinstein (D) – Film producer
    Israel Horovitz (D) – Playwright, director, actor
    Jack Latvala (R) – FL state senator
    James Levine (D) – Symphony Orchestra conductor
    Jeffrey Tambor (D) – Comedian
    Jeremy Piven (D) – Actor
    Jesse Jackson (D) – Activist, politician
    Joe Barton (R) – US Congressman
    John Conyers (D) – US congressman
    John Lasseter (D) – Film director, animator
    John Singleton (D) – Film director
    Kevin Spacey (D) – Film producer
    Larry Nassar – USA Gymnastics team doctor
    Louis C.K. (D) – Comedian
    Mark Halperin (D) – Journalist
    Mascot – LA Kings
    Matt Debabneh (D) – CA Assemblyman
    Matt Lauer (D) – Journalist
    Michael Oreskes (D) – NPR VP of News
    Oliver Stone (D) – Film producer, director
    Peter Martins (D) – Director NYC Ballet
    Randy Baumgardner (R) – CO State Senator
    Raul Grijalvas (D) – US Congressman
    Richard Dreyfuss (D) – Actor
    Roy Moore (R) – Alabama judge
    Ruben Kihuen (D) – US Congressman
    Russell Simmons (D) – Music Mogul
    Steven Seagal (D) – Film producer
    Sylvester Stallone (R) – Film actor
    Teddy Davis (D) – CNN senior producer
    Tony Cornish (R) – State representative, MN
    Tyler Grasham (D) – Hollywood agent

    $ – Indicates used taxpayer dollars in a settlement

  361. mnw says:

    DW

    The $ symbol is ingenious.

  362. NYCmike says:

    Weinstein’s contract included a provision that as long as he paid the $ettlement, he would NOT be fired.

    He de$erves a $ before his name.

  363. NYCmike says:

    Will the$e guys make it ea$y?

    $teven $eagal?
    $ylvester $tallone?

  364. jason says:

    Bank records?

    And this is relevant to Russian election collusion exactly how?

    What a croc.”

    Fishing expedition beyond the scope of his mandate.

    But that is what happens when you appoint these guys, they feel compelled to justify their existence.

  365. Trump says:

    The jason doth protest too much

  366. NYCmike says:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-york-times-forced-to-heavily-amend-another-supposed-kt-mcfarland-scoop/article/2642586

    -Didn’t Robbie link to a story about her the other day? NY Times correcting ANOTHER story…..HOW SURPRISING!

  367. NYCmike says:

    “The jason”

    -Is that something like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJrpjMSAn2c

  368. NYCmike says:

    https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/levin-warned-mueller-has-always-been-there-only-to-impeach-trump

    -Of course, posters like “The jason” dismiss him as a loudmouth “deadender” and with other negatives…..

  369. NYCmike says:

    “Ever watch an episode of Law and Order?”

    -Great question, Robbie.

    🙂

  370. jason says:

    -Of course, posters like “The jason” dismiss him as a loudmouth “deadender” and with other negatives”

    Let’s be specific…..blowhard deadender who thinks the Constitution was written in support of his whacko ideas.

    I hear he is getting a show on Fox, will have smashing success in making conservatives look stupid.

  371. jason says:

    I read this article in the NYT that basically said the reason Hillary lost was because Lauer and Halperin asked her tough questions, giving further credence to the “unfair” meme that she was dishonest and untrustworthy.

    And that the reason they asked her the tough questions was because they didn’t respect women.

    I kid you not. Google it it you think I made it up.

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