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Posted by Dave at 11:29 am
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  1. Bitterlaw says:

    First

  2. Tina says:

    Which investigators made the repeated requests from gsa for the ptt records?

    Clearly, gsa had no authority to provide them and were instructed that they could not, prior to the untikey death of the gsa head.

  3. Phil says:

    Stinks.

  4. Tina says:

    I Am sure that schiff for brains wil hace some bs stuff today, when he appears on cn and n.

  5. Tina says:

    It was a renegade at the gsa that gave away the ptt to investigatirs who were not entitled to them. They were told that they fell under ptt.

    Recourse would have been to subooena and then litigate the matter.

  6. Tina says:

    https://www.gsa.gov/governmentwide-initiatives/presidential-transition/about-presidential-transitions

    This spells out gsas role in transitions and the presidential records. It is on their freaking website.

  7. Tina says:

    Gsas sole role is to temporarily house the records for a new administration.

    Now, we must look at what investigators did this and what role this informarion played.

  8. Tina says:

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2017/12/16/heres-how-many-people-have-left-the-epa-since-scott-pruitt-took-over-n2423067

    Epa is now the size that it was under Reagan.

    If flub was president, the epa would be bigger than obumbler.

  9. Chicon says:

    A foreign policy and national security writer for Business Insider, the political editor of Buzzfeed, and a democrat running for IL Attorney General have determined that Mueller was completely right on the GSA email issue. So that’s settled – time to move on to something else…..

  10. Phil says:

    Tina, doesn’t matter that they obtained them illegally. It’s lawless, but they got the information which they will now use for more endless “leads”. Doesn’t matter if they “have to give them back”. They got what they wanted and will use the information as Mueller sees fit.

    To Mueller and his merry band of Hillary hack
    “investigators” the end justifies the means and they’ll rely on their buds in the MSM to give them cover to do this and any other damned thing they choose to do.

    This thing is mind boggling.

  11. Phil says:

    Yes “time to move on” Nothing to see here.

  12. Tina says:

    https://graphics.axios.com/pdf/letter-to-congressional-committees.pdf?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sendto_newslettertest&stream=top-stories

    Here is the entire lawyer from the transition lawyer.

    Notice on oage 4or 5mukehead has been lying, saying he never had transition records. See the endnkte.

  13. Tina says:

    Team mulehead confirms that they failed to use an ethical wall.

    Lol and bs.

  14. Tina says:

    This is now the main drudge headline.

    Name the investigators whi illegally obtained the transition documents and when did mueller know.

  15. Chicon says:

    14 – Tina, this likely means they didn’t feel that an ethical wall was not required in this case. They will argue the emails were retrieved legitimately and that privilege was waived. Are they right? Who – other than Robbie – knows?

  16. Tina says:

    Lord arsehat has deemed the sc actions as lawful.

  17. Chicon says:

    Maybe Trump will have a special Christmas present for his friends in the press and media – a Christmas Eve tax bill signing AND a firing of Mueller would mean no time off for the holidays for the media.

  18. Tina says:

    Actually according to the paper plane crasher gsa is actualky the gao.

    And donnie jr is guilty of collusion.

  19. Tina says:

    A.B. Stoddard: “The president should not attack the FBI. He is the Commander in Chief and attacking his own institutions is a mistake.” #SundayFutures @MariaBartiromo

    No, of course not, being mute like w is the best option here.

    But, i do not know what stutterer means by attacking the fbi.

  20. Robbie says:

    I see the Trumpers are grasping at straws today. You can always tell how worried Tina is by the amount of posting she does. The more she does, the more she is worried about poor Donnie. The simple fact is Trump’s sad sack legal team got outmaneuvered by Mueller so now they’re throwing chum in the water to rile up their supporters. On that measure, mission accomplished.

  21. Phil says:

    Stoddard:

    Trump should sit back and let the FBI, Mueller, and anyone else kick the sh*t out out of him. After all, the investigation so far has been conducted in such an unbiased and fair manner – a fountain of ethics and objectivity.

  22. Tina says:

    Yup, that summarizes stutterer well

  23. Chicon says:

    22 – simple fact, huh? Got a legit legal cite to support that? Jonathan Turley disagrees that it is a simple fact.

    Could well be that the judges agree with Mueller, but could easily not. Doubtful it’s ever in front of a judge.

    On the political front he gave more ammunition to those who argue that he is hopelessly biased. If Trump made the stupid political mistakes Mueller has made, you’d have even more foam coming out your mouth.

  24. Tina says:

    the problem is that mueller was instructed on the orocedure and failed to go by it in the correct mattsr.

    The 7 page letter i dicates that they would have worked with mulehead on the matter.

    So who were the agents that made the requests? Was oete the cheat and the mistress involved? Follow the timeline here.

  25. Phil says:

    Turley obviously doesn’t know what he is taking about. Trump’s lawyers were simply “outmaneuvered”

    Got it.

  26. Chicon says:

    27 -;Turley has been on Fox, as has Dershowitz. They’ve obviously been corrupted.

  27. Tina says:

    The end justifies the mean,

    Donnie jr is guilty of collusion.

    Thank you gao.

  28. NYCmike says:

    I want to know where Robbie got so much chum, and I want to make sure he did NOT have access to the HHR credit card when he got it!

  29. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 17, 2017 at 11:47 am
    A foreign policy and national security writer for Business Insider, the political editor of Buzzfeed, and a democrat running for IL Attorney General have determined that Mueller was completely right on the GSA email issue. So that’s settled – time to move on to something else…..

    – I love the way you operate. Katherine Miller of Buzzfeed provided quotes from the GSA Deputy Council who has worked there since 1972 and somehow you contorted that into Katherine Miller saying this was no big deal.

    Nice try, but let’s repost what was actually said by the deputy council who works at the GSA rather than the rantings of Tina or the propaganda barfed up by Greg Jarrett (is he still on the wagon?) at FoxNews.

    “Specifically, Loewentritt said, “in using our devices,” transition team members were informed that materials “would not be held back in any law enforcement” actions.”

    “Loewentritt read to BuzzFeed News a series of agreements that anyone had to agree to when using GSA materials during the transition, including that there could be monitoring and auditing of devices and that, “Therefore, no expectation of privacy can be assumed.”

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/the-trump-campaign-claims-a-federal-office-illegally-turned?utm_term=.ogGjl9MMl#.jbneyg77y

    Get that, everyone? The fine print which Donnie’s tem apparently didn’t read said “no expectation of privacy can be assumed”. Again, Trump’s sad sack legal team got outmaneuvered so they’ve decided to throw chum in the water to rile up the crazies. On that point, they accomplished their goal. Mueller still has the emails though. Sad.

  30. Tina says:

    Mulehead is the gift that keeps on giving. Horrible couple of weeks for him.

  31. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 17, 2017 at 11:48 am
    Tina, doesn’t matter that they obtained them illegally. It’s lawless, but they got the information which they will now use for more endless “leads”. Doesn’t matter if they “have to give them back”. They got what they wanted and will use the information as Mueller sees fit.

    – Lawless? Based on what? The fact you don’t like that they got the emails? As the deputy counsel of the GSA told Buzzfeed last night, “no expectation of privacy can be assumed” because the fine print said anyone using the GSA devices (servers) were informed that materials would not be held back in any law enforcement action.

    Trump’s sad sack legal team got outmaneuvered so they decided to rile up their supporters as cover for the bad lawyering.

  32. Phil says:

    So do Turley and Dershowitz know all that. Obviously a couple of legal lightweights.

    “Outmaneuvered”

    Priceless.

  33. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 17, 2017 at 11:59 am
    14 – Tina, this likely means they didn’t feel that an ethical wall was not required in this case. They will argue the emails were retrieved legitimately and that privilege was waived. Are they right? Who – other than Robbie – knows?

    – The deputy council of the GSA said the Trump transition team was informed “no expectation of privacy can be assumed” for those who use GSA devices (servers).

  34. Tina says:

    Presidential records are defined as “documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory or other official or ceremonial duties of the President…” (44 U.S.C. 2201(2).) These records can be in a variety of formats, including paper documents, photographs, motion picture film, tape recordings and electronic records. Presidential records are governed by the Presidential Records Act and are not subject to the Federal Records Act.

    Gsas own site.

  35. Tina says:

    Presidential records are governed by the Presidential Records Act and are not subject to the Federal Records A

    So, mulehead could obtain him, if he subpoenaed them and prevailed in court, a big hurdle.

  36. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 17, 2017 at 12:12 pm
    Stoddard:
    Trump should sit back and let the FBI, Mueller, and anyone else kick the sh*t out out of him. After all, the investigation so far has been conducted in such an unbiased and fair manner – a fountain of ethics and objectivity.

    – If Donnie is innocent, then what does he have to fear from Mueller? Trump’s repeatedly told us he’s done nothing wrong so Mueller will clear him, right?

    If Trump’s innocent, firing the man who is investigating him will only make Donnie look guilty when he’s really not, right?

  37. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 17, 2017 at 12:12 pm
    Stoddard:
    Trump should sit back and let the FBI, Mueller, and anyone else kick the sh*t out out of him. After all, the investigation so far has been conducted in such an unbiased and fair manner – a fountain of ethics and objectivity.

    – Spoken like an avid watcher of FoxNews and specifically Hannity.

  38. Tina says:

    Renegade gsa employees.

    No recourse for the transition lawyah to inform congress either, there are numerous privacy act violations re employee or prospective employee hiring.

    This will just get worse when we find out what agents did this.

  39. Tina says:

    The sp was warned Time for mulehead to come out from the shadows and explain.

  40. Chicon says:

    First, when talking of a lawyer, it is counsel. When talking of a group of people, it could be a council.

    Any chance that the counsel’s current opinion on the matter could be tainted if they were released in error? Why didn’t your friend at Buzzfeed get an uninvolved lawyer with criminal law experience to quote?

  41. Tina says:

    What did turley write about this matter? Him and Dershowitz carry weight here, in contrast to a drat candidate running for the cesspool state

  42. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 17, 2017 at 12:19 pm
    22 – simple fact, huh? Got a legit legal cite to support that? Jonathan Turley disagrees that it is a simple fact.

    – The deputy council of the GSA who has worked there since 1972. He said Trump’s team was informed “no expectation of privacy can be assured” and material used GSA devices (servers) would not be held back in any law enforcement action. trump’s top flight team should have read the fine print more closely.

  43. Phil says:

    ….As opposed to Robbie who spews talking points 24/7 from those pillars of objectivity at NBC, the NYT, and WP.

  44. Tina says:

    There was a request by the sp, sp was told the proper procedure, yet once the gsa person went ill, they got renegade employees to turn over exempt documents.

    Huge scandal here

  45. Tina says:

    Any law enforcement action would require first a subpoena for said documents. Were is the subpoena? Then it would be litigated.

  46. Tina says:

    Gao council is correct.

    Donny jr colluded

  47. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 17, 2017 at 12:25 pm
    Turley obviously doesn’t know what he is taking about. Trump’s lawyers were simply “outmaneuvered”
    Got it.

    – For now and until the Trump team files a lawsuit over this (I doubt they will), I’m going to go with the deputy council of the GSA who has worked there since 1972.

  48. Phil says:

    Turley and Dershowitz – Fox News hacks. Who knew?

  49. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 17, 2017 at 12:32 pm
    27 -;Turley has been on Fox, as has Dershowitz. They’ve obviously been corrupted.

    – Turley’s opinion deserves attention. Dershowitz’s does not. Dershowitz is basically like the guy at the end of the movie “Breakfast Club”. He’s standing outside side the White House with a boombox on his shoulder hoping Trump sees him and gives him a job.

    No doubt, we’ll see Dershowitz on Fox N Friends in the morning.

  50. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 17, 2017 at 12:45 pm
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/12/on-the-left-it-is-all-hysteria-all-the-time.php
    -Kind of describes Robbie…….

    – Kin of describes NYCmike……

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

  51. Phil says:

    Yeah, Dershowitz needs a job. That’s it.

    LOL

  52. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 17, 2017 at 12:50 pm
    So do Turley and Dershowitz know all that. Obviously a couple of legal lightweights.
    “Outmaneuvered”
    Priceless.

    – Turley is one thing, but watching you breathlessly use a nasty liberal like Dershowitz as a source is so 2017. Up is down and down is up.

  53. Tina says:

    Turley and Dershowitz are deadenders

    Lol,

    Btw, the 7 page letter is clear as to the facts.

  54. Chicon says:

    Yeah, a Harvard Law professor is not trustworthy on the law….

    Does sound like a rational thought?

  55. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2017 at 12:52 pm
    Presidential records are defined as “documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory or other official or ceremonial duties of the President…” (44 U.S.C. 2201(2).) These records can be in a variety of formats, including paper documents, photographs, motion picture film, tape recordings and electronic records. Presidential records are governed by the Presidential Records Act and are not subject to the Federal Records Act.

    – Hey, Tinfoil. During the transition, who was the president? Trump or Obama? Spoiler: it was Obama. Therefore, laws that apply to the “President” do not apply to Trump since he was not the president during the transition. Obama was the president. Nice try though.

  56. Phil says:

    …this from the guy that has done nothing daily but cite “nasty” liberals for the last twelve months.

    LOL

  57. Chicon says:

    58 – anyone see any irony in this post?

  58. Chicon says:

    61 – hey, smart guy, the act covers the transition…..

  59. Phil says:

    60

    Makes sense since Dershowitz is simply angling for a job.

  60. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2017 at 12:53 pm
    Presidential records are governed by the Presidential Records Act and are not subject to the Federal Records A
    So, mulehead could obtain him, if he subpoenaed them and prevailed in court, a big hurdle.

    – Again, hey, Tinfoil. Who was the president during the transition? Trump or Obama? I hate to break it to you, but Obama was the president during the transition so rules that apply the president did not apply to Trump at the time since he was NOT president during the transition.

  61. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2017 at 12:54 pm
    Renegade gsa employees.
    No recourse for the transition lawyah to inform congress either, there are numerous privacy act violations re employee or prospective employee hiring.
    This will just get worse when we find out what agents did this.

    – he privacy laws you have so eagerly quoted apply to Presidents. Trump was not the president during the transition. Obama was. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

  62. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 17, 2017 at 12:58 pm
    ….As opposed to Robbie who spews talking points 24/7 from those pillars of objectivity at NBC, the NYT, and WP.

    – If only that was the case. But I will take the track record of those news operations over the one that employs Judge Janine or that employs Jessie Watters. I’m sorry, but I’m not going to take seriously a TV channel that has on its air Tom Fitton who said the FBI had been turned into the KGB.

  63. lisab says:

    Tina, doesn’t matter that they obtained them illegally. It’s lawless, but they got the information which they will now use for more endless “leads”. Doesn’t matter if they “have to give them back”. They got what they wanted and will use the information as Mueller sees fit.
    ———————————————-

    it actually matters if they got them illegally

    anything that comes from the info would be fruit of the poisonous tree

  64. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2017 at 12:59 pm
    Gao council is correct.
    Donny jr colluded

    – Once again, you have put words in my mouth. In fact, just last night I replied to some of your lunatic rantings that I don’t know that Don Jr. committed any crime. I think it’s clear he wanted to get dirt on Clinton any way he could, but that in and of itself is not a crime.

  65. Phil says:

    Yeah, stick with Don Lemon at CNN or Joe and Mika at MSNBC. Journalistic integrity of the highest order and absolutely no bias. CNN has quite a track record over the last twelve months BTW…..yeah stick with them.

  66. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:00 pm
    Turley and Dershowitz – Fox News hacks. Who knew?

    – Another lie. In 58, I made clear the views of Turley are one thing, but Dershowitz is not worth the time or consideration.

  67. mnw says:

    Ronnie? Why no STFU? You know as much about complex legal issues as I do about astrophysics.

    I don’t follow the Mueller stories closely, but my impression is the investigation is collapsing. I read (possibly Gallup?) that 54% of the public now think the investigation is biased.

  68. mnw says:

    sb “Robbie”

  69. Chicon says:

    67 – so, we’ll take this as an admission that Mueller would have needed a subpoena if the act covers the transition team.

    So, does it Robbie?

  70. Phil says:

    Yeah, unlike you who would never ever cite a nasty liberal. Never, ever, ever….

  71. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:09 pm
    …this from the guy that has done nothing daily but cite “nasty” liberals for the last twelve months.
    LOL

    – In Phil’s new world of Trump support, anyone who doesn’t like Trump is a nasty liberal.

  72. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:07 pm
    Turley and Dershowitz are deadenders
    Lol,
    Btw, the 7 page letter is clear as to the facts.

    – Then why did the lawyer send the letter to Congress and not file suit in court? If they thought they’re claims had any merit, they would have gone right to court earlier in the week when they discovered Muller had transition emails. They didn’t and that tells you what you need to know. This is about riling up their supporters in a continuing effort to discredit Mueller with the FoxNews viewership.

  73. lisab says:

    “The president should not attack the FBI. He is the Commander in Chief and attacking his own institutions is a mistake.”

    you are the boss

    your employees are obviously biased against a group — gays, blacks, trans, women or in this case the republicans

    you have to start firing people.

    i worked for a wall street bank years ago. they were despicable people. however, the one thing they were not allowed to do was openly be biased against anyone. it was a fire on the spot offence.

  74. Phil says:

    Sorry, Robbie, you lost me with the Dershowitz was auditioning for a job in the Trump administration but whatever.

    If it did happen that Trump were to resign what is the over and under on the time it takes for Robbie to pivot and go after Pence?

    I say about three minutes…

  75. Chicon says:

    78, maybe the best time to do so legally is to exclude evidence at trial? Duh….

    Also, this is mainly a political event, so the public is a reasonable audience.

  76. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:18 pm
    Ronnie? Why no STFU? You know as much about complex legal issues as I do about astrophysics.
    I don’t follow the Mueller stories closely, but my impression is the investigation is collapsing. I read (possibly Gallup?) that 54% of the public now think the investigation is biased.

    – Notice mnw has a problem with me taking a position on the Mueller probe, but he doesn’t have a problem with Tina taking a position. I do. It seems to be his problem is simply that I don’t like Trump so that means I need to STFU.

    And as far as your claim the investigation is collapsing, ask Mike Flynn if it’s collapsing. If the investigation is collapsing, why did Mike Flynn just cut a plea deal and agree to provide full cooperation?

  77. lisab says:

    “Specifically, Loewentritt said, “in using our devices,” transition team members were informed that materials “would not be held back in any law enforcement” actions.”
    ——————————-

    robbie,

    i have worked for the government,

    that is standard for records. we never hold anything back from law enforcement … IF they get a court order.

    for example, a cop wants a student’s attendance records … sure, no problem … show me your court order and you can have them

    it was the same when i worked for the feds. we would turn any record over to any agency that had the proper authorization in writing.

    it is training every employee goes through every year … i just did it myself.

  78. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:17 pm
    Yeah, stick with Don Lemon at CNN or Joe and Mika at MSNBC. Journalistic integrity of the highest order and absolutely no bias. CNN has quite a track record over the last twelve months BTW…..yeah stick with them.

    – You’re really just grasping at straws at this point. I don’t watch Morning Joe and I don’t watch Don Lemon either and you know that because you have accused me of that in the past and I have told you that was not the case.

    I also don’t watch the crap that gets barfed up every night on FoxNews like much of this comment section seems to do.

  79. lisab says:

    So, mulehead could obtain him, if he subpoenaed them and prevailed in court, a big hurdle.
    ————————-

    actually not really a big hurdle usually.

    it could be different at that level of course. but pretty much courts give permission pretty easily at my level.

  80. lisab says:

    everything has to be looked at and things redacted etc.

    but it seems like mueller did not ask the courts

  81. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:19 pm
    67 – so, we’ll take this as an admission that Mueller would have needed a subpoena if the act covers the transition team.
    So, does it Robbie?

    – No. I won’t take this as an admission that Mueller would have needed a subpoena.

    As I pointed out in 33 (which you conveniently ignored), the GSA made clear to the Trump transition that no expectation of privacy could be assured for those who used GSA devices and they were also told “materials would not be held back from law enforcement actions”.

    Donnie boy’s team should have read the fine print more closely. Of course, it seems pretty clear to me they know their case is weak. otherwise, they would have gone straight to court when they found this out earlier in the week. In stead, they didn’t and sent a letter to Congress that was leaked to rile up their supporters. That tactic did work.

  82. Phil says:

    …and yet you constantly cite what’s barfed up on CNN and NBC. You’ve given us scores of links from them over the last year almost on a daily basis.

    Let’s not forget ABC and Brian Ross…..and you’re complaining about Fox?

    I give up.

  83. lisab says:

    Who was the president during the transition? Trump or Obama? I hate to break it to you, but Obama was the president during the transition so rules that apply the president did not apply to Trump at the time since he was NOT president during the transition.
    ——————————————-

    that is actually worse for your side, you understand that right?

    private citizen documents have MORE protections not less.

  84. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:26 pm
    Sorry, Robbie, you lost me with the Dershowitz was auditioning for a job in the Trump administration but whatever.
    If it did happen that Trump were to resign what is the over and under on the time it takes for Robbie to pivot and go after Pence?
    I say about three minutes…

    – Phil, you’re smarter than this. I was mocking Dershowitz. Of course I know he doesn’t want or need a job in the Trump White House, but none of that means he doesn’t want the president to notice him. The vast majority of people who go on FoxNews these days do so solely to get noticed by Trump.

  85. Phil says:

    Explain to me why Dershowitz wants Trump to notice him.

  86. lisab says:

    robbie,

    you keep saying what you want to be true

    but as any government employee will tell you, there is a well established process for getting private records.

    if mueller did not follow them, not only will it screw up his investigation, but the employees involved would face penalties. it is hard to get fired from the government, but releasing private information without authority is one way.

    the union won’t back you if you break an actual rule

  87. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:28 pm
    78, maybe the best time to do so legally is to exclude evidence at trial? Duh….
    Also, this is mainly a political event, so the public is a reasonable audience

    – Ha! Is this the best you’ve got? This is so dumb. So they’re going to allow the process to continue and allow Mueller to find new leads based on these emails (leads that will certainly be made known to the public) and then claim they can’t be used after the harm has been done? Well, I guess Trump’s 700 Club lawyer might be that dumb, but I was willing to believe he was a bit smarter.

    If the Trump team thought something illegal had occurred, they would have gone straight to court when they discovered this earlier in the week. They didn’t. Instead, they wrote a letter to Congress.

    No lawyer worth his or her hourly rate would allow information “illegally obtained” to be used in an ongoing criminal investigation if they knew it had been illegally obtained.

  88. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:39 pm
    …and yet you constantly cite what’s barfed up on CNN and NBC. You’ve given us scores of links from them over the last year almost on a daily basis.
    Let’s not forget ABC and Brian Ross…..and you’re complaining about Fox?
    I give up.

    – I’d give up too if I had to defend Trump.

  89. lisab says:

    the rules are not secret or obscure either

    transfer of records happens every day

    and only certain employees can do it, and they have certain rules they have to follow.

    it is a standard practice, so there is no leeway. someone released the records and if they did not have permission, they are screwed

  90. Chicon says:

    Robbie is all in knots today. More than usual. It comes from automatically taking a stance about which he knows very little. Called getting out over the skis….

    The legal issue regarding the emails is far more complex than Robbie knows. Not a slam dunk either way. If the Presidential Records Act covers the transition, Mueller will have an evidentiary problem. Does it? Robbie will tell us….

  91. Bitterlaw says:

    WTF – I did not realize how important Carson Wentz was to the Eagles’ Defense.

  92. Chicon says:

    Look everyone, Robbie took a law course once in pilot training school.

  93. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:45 pm
    robbie,
    you keep saying what you want to be true
    but as any government employee will tell you, there is a well established process for getting private records.
    if mueller did not follow them, not only will it screw up his investigation, but the employees involved would face penalties. it is hard to get fired from the government, but releasing private information without authority is one way.
    the union won’t back you if you break an actual rule

    – I am quoting the Deputy Council of the GSA. For now, I’m going to go with his view of things over an employee of the government like you. For now, I’m going to go with Robert Mueller’s view over the view of some flunky who works for Trump’s transition team. A flunky, by the way, who chose not to take the case to court, but instead decided to write a letter to Congress.

    And by the way, everyone here has repeatedly told me Trump did nothing wrong. So if that’s the case, then there’s nothing in these emails that should worry him, right?

  94. dblaikie says:

    Does anyone on this website respect anything that Robbie drivels about. Again he reminds of MD with his surety and ego. However in the brains department MD was far brighter.

  95. Bitterlaw says:

    Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Robbie – Cheerleading for Trump’s destruction achieves nothing for the GOP or the country. You cannot outdo me when it comes to hating Trump but you have lost touch with reality.

  96. lisab says:

    it is a slam dunk as far as the rules are concerned. they are written down and the default answer is “no, you cannot have any records with pii”

    the only thing they can argue is whether they had permission to get the records

    and

    i have never seen anyone outside of an agency walk into an agency and come out with records without some kind of document giving them permission, be it a letter, or court order, or legal document of some kind. literally people open up books of regulations and say, “it says here i am authorized”

  97. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump failure = Democrat success. Reality sucks but that is how it is, Robbie.

  98. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:49 pm
    Robbie is all in knots today. More than usual. It comes from automatically taking a stance about which he knows very little. Called getting out over the skis….
    The legal issue regarding the emails is far more complex than Robbie knows. Not a slam dunk either way. If the Presidential Records Act covers the transition, Mueller will have an evidentiary problem. Does it? Robbie will tell us….

    – I have to admit, for a conspiracy theorist, Chicon always makes me laugh. No matter the topic, he shows up to defend Trump without a hint of hesitation. And when it becomes clear his side is hard to argue, he just says it’s all too complex for anyone to understand.

    Apparently though, it’s not too complex for a guy who believed the DNC murder Seth Rich to understand.

  99. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:51 pm
    Look everyone, Robbie took a law course once in pilot training school.

    – Look, everyone. A guy who believed the DNC murdered Seth Rich and that Obama used British Intelligence to spy on Trump took a law course once in between defending Trump in this forum.

  100. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:52 pm
    Does anyone on this website respect anything that Robbie drivels about. Again he reminds of MD with his surety and ego. However in the brains department MD was far brighter.

    – Probably not, but I don’t respect anything you write either.

  101. Bitterlaw says:

    Don’t claim that I am a Trump defender. He is a joke. However, he was the only way to stop Hillary.

  102. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:54 pm
    Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Robbie – Cheerleading for Trump’s destruction achieves nothing for the GOP or the country. You cannot outdo me when it comes to hating Trump but you have lost touch with reality.

    – I am battling the boobs who think Robert Mueller is a lawless zealot out to unfairly destroy Trump and that he will stop at nothing to achieve his goals. That is not the same as cheerleading for Trump’s destruction, especially since I believe it’s unlikely he will be found to have done anything illegal.

    That said, I have no problem saying I wish Trump would leave office. That doesn’t mean I think there is anything that would require him to do so. He hasn’t committed an impeachable offense and, as much as I think he’s nuts, he hasn’t done anything that qualifies as a genuine impairment.

    Regardless, I am going to fight the shills and the sycophants in this forum who have decided Trump is more important the Republican Party or the conservative movement.

  103. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:54 pm
    it is a slam dunk as far as the rules are concerned. they are written down and the default answer is “no, you cannot have any records with pii”
    the only thing they can argue is whether they had permission to get the records

    – Then file an amicus brief as soon as Trump’s team files suit in court, if they ever file a suit in court.

  104. lisab says:

    robbie,

    test the privacy laws yourself

    email the white house and ask for a copy of the receipts for diet coke purchases for the last year

    and/or during the transition team

    you will have to fill out a foia form.

  105. lisab says:

    trump doesn’t need to file suit

    if they violated the privacy laws it is on mueller to prove he got the records legally.

  106. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    December 17, 2017 at 1:57 pm
    Trump failure = Democrat success. Reality sucks but that is how it is, Robbie.

    – I don’t see it totally that way, but it would require the Party grow a backbone and start putting some distance between themselves as Trump. But since they’re clearly not willing to do so, you are going to be right.

  107. lisab says:

    that you don’t trust anyone on hhr is fine

    ask someone you know who works for the government about privacy laws

    and then you will know and can come back here and claim they told you the exact opposite of what they said

    because since watergate the privacy laws in the government are pretty gosh darn straightforward

  108. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:08 pm
    trump doesn’t need to file suit
    if they violated the privacy laws it is on mueller to prove he got the records legally.

    – Of course he would need to file a suit. Otherwise, how would a court have jurisdiction to rule? Courts don’t just issue rulings on issues that are not before them.

  109. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:12 pm
    that you don’t trust anyone on hhr is fine
    ask someone you know who works for the government about privacy laws
    and then you will know and can come back here and claim they told you the exact opposite of what they said
    because since watergate the privacy laws in the government are pretty gosh darn straightforward

    – You’re right. I don’t trust the collective judgment of this forum. That’s why I have chosen to rely on the Deputy Council of the GSA, a person who knows the agency’s rules and regulations.

  110. lisab says:

    as an extreme example of privacy laws, if there is a fire at my school, i can

    ** if it is necessary **

    release the names of my students and how many were in school that day to a fireman or other emergency personnel.

    but if i know that all my students are safe and are present and accounted for, i am not supposed to tell them. the emergency personnel would have no need to know their names unless they are not safe and accounted for.

  111. dblaikie says:

    Thank goodness!!! If I respected anything you wrote I would have to go to a therapist. Maybe in twenty years you will get over Trumps election.

  112. lisab says:

    Of course he would need to file a suit. Otherwise, how would a court have jurisdiction to rule?
    ————————————–

    no, it is mueller who has to prove he got the records legally to use them as evidence. anyone charged can make the case they were gotten illegally to the judge they go in front of.

    there are disciplinary procedures in place in agencies to handle the employees who released the info without authority.

    again, assuming mueller did not have some written authority.

    he may have … that i don’t know.

  113. Tina says:

    Where is the subpoena and judment in muleheads favor.

  114. Tina says:

    Roitte is twisiting

  115. Tina says:

    Top fbi officials to be subpoenead now.

    Shoukd have happened weeks ago.

    Trest those drat hacks as crooks.

  116. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:18 pm
    Thank goodness!!! If I respected anything you wrote I would have to go to a therapist. Maybe in twenty years you will get over Trumps election.

    – I got over Trump’s election the moment he won. I even gave him a second chance. Just ask Corey. I chastised him for not giving Trump a second look.

    Unfortunately, Trump didn’t treat the presidency with any seriousness and has operated in a highly erratic manner that has put both the Republican majorities in the House and Senate in danger and has out the very future of the party in danger with his actions.

  117. Chicon says:

    Robbie – look up the difference between council and counsel. Not trying to irritate you, just want you to sound as educated as possible.

  118. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:23 pm
    Where is the subpoena and judment in muleheads favor.

    – Why get a subpoena when the agency in charge of the information agrees to turn it over without one?

  119. lisab says:

    Why get a subpoena when the agency in charge of the information agrees to turn it over without one?
    —————–

    because they can’t

  120. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:26 pm
    Robbie – look up the difference between council and counsel. Not trying to irritate you, just want you to sound as educated as possible.

    – Look up the difference between reality and conspiracy theories.

  121. Tina says:

    They cannot get that infirmation because it is subject to presidential privilege.

    They ould also have to win in court.

    Neither occured.

  122. Tina says:

    Presidential records are defined as “documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory or other official or ceremonial duties of the President…” (44 U.S.C. 2201(2).) These records can be in a variety of formats, including paper documents, photographs, motion picture film, tape recordings and electronic records. Presidential records are governed by the Presidential Records Act and are not subject to the Federal Records Act.

  123. lisab says:

    and mueller would know that as well

    so either it was complete neglegencee

    or

    they did not think they would get caught

  124. Chicon says:

    126 – perhaps because one way is legal.

    One clue….the keeper of the records is typically not the decision-maker on whether the person requesting the record is entitled to use it for the intended purpose.

  125. Chicon says:

    128 – really not a Christian response to someone trying to help you. This is more MD style behavior.

  126. lisab says:

    They cannot get that infirmation because it is subject to presidential privilege.
    ————————————

    just regular privacy laws as well

    you cannot get someone’s email’s without being authorized

  127. Tina says:

    The gao did not own those documents, they only controlled warehousing and storage.

    Those records falll under the above citation, taken directly from the gsa website.

    Mulehead could have asked how many comouter devices were used, how much space was used, but anything more than that is illegal

  128. Tina says:

    We need to know what investigators made the requests.

    Did it involve pete the cheat and mistrss? Maybe unweissman.?

  129. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:22 pm
    https://www.gsa.gov/governmentwide-initiatives/presidential-transition/about-presidential-transitions
    These rules apoly, dumbsheot.

    – Yes, the presidential records act applies to presidents. Trump was NOT the president during the transition. Obama was.

    “Presidential records are defined as “documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory or other official or ceremonial duties of the President…” (44 U.S.C. 2201(2).)”

    This mentions nothing about a president-elect. Until noon on January 20, 2017, Trump was not covered by the presidential records act.

    Further, this is the only mention of the presidential transition:

    TRANSITION SUPPORT
    The General Services Administration (GSA) plays an important role in Presidential Transition, including providing a variety of services needed to help them assume their official duties. To facilitate this process GSA has assembled a number of teams:
    Incoming Presidential Transition Team
    Inaugural Team
    Internal GSA Transition Team
    Outgoing Administration Team

    Not mentioned in the information about transition help is the idea president-elects are covered by the presidential records act. Why, president-elects are not president until they are sworn into office.

  130. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:30 pm
    They cannot get that infirmation because it is subject to presidential privilege.
    They ould also have to win in court.
    Neither occured.

    – Apparently this is a difficult concept for you to understand, but Trump was not the president during the transition. Obama was the president. Therefore, Trump cannot claim executive privilege since he was not the executive. Executive privilege only applies to presidents. Trump was not the president during the transition.

  131. Tina says:

    Incorrect, souter.

  132. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:30 pm
    Presidential records are defined as “documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory or other official or ceremonial duties of the President…” (44 U.S.C. 2201(2).) These records can be in a variety of formats, including paper documents, photographs, motion picture film, tape recordings and electronic records. Presidential records are governed by the Presidential Records Act and are not subject to the Federal Records Act.

    – Exactly right and Trump was not the President during the transition. Obama was the president during the transition. Nowhere mentioned in any of what you copied here mentions president-elect.

  133. lisab says:

    robbie,

    again, no one can just get private info from an agency, you actually need permission.

    it does not matter who is involved.

  134. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:32 pm
    128 – really not a Christian response to someone trying to help you. This is more MD style behavior.

    – Is it Christian to believe in conspiracy theories that cause great pain to families who have lost loved ones like the DNC murdered Seth Rich?

  135. Tina says:

    (C) materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.

    https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html

  136. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:32 pm
    They cannot get that infirmation because it is subject to presidential privilege.
    ————————————
    just regular privacy laws as well
    you cannot get someone’s email’s without being authorized

    – Just so we’re clear, you do realize Trump was not the president during the transition, right? Obama was the president.

  137. Tina says:

    Rottie is taking an unlawful position, stating that the presidential records act does not apply because trumo was not president.

    This is a lie.

  138. lisab says:

    it is actually worse if you are saying trump was not a federal empployee at the time

    private citizens have more protections not less.

  139. Tina says:

    Presidential Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22)

    This applies to the president elect.

  140. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:33 pm
    The gao did not own those documents, they only controlled warehousing and storage.
    Those records falll under the above citation, taken directly from the gsa website.
    Mulehead could have asked how many comouter devices were used, how much space was used, but anything more than that is illegal

    – Wrong. They do not fall under the above citation. Trump was not the president during the transition. Obama was the president and the presidential records act only applies to presidents. Trump was not yet the president so the citation did not apply to him.

  141. Tina says:

    (3) The term “personal records” means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes–

    (A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;

    (B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and

    (C) materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.

    Next, beotxh.

  142. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:39 pm
    Incorrect, souter.

    – Bless your heart.

  143. Tina says:

    Dumbsheot still pe sits. Igave you the federal law and it app,ies to the presidentt elect.

  144. lisab says:

    Just so we’re clear, you do realize Trump was not the president during the transition, right? Obama was the president.
    —————————————–

    i am simply telling you that you cannot get anyone’s private info without permission

    that is the rule when you work in government

    unless mueller was specifically authorized to look at someone’s private email — he has screwed up.

  145. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:43 pm
    Rottie is taking an unlawful position, stating that the presidential records act does not apply because trumo was not president.
    This is a lie.

    – LOL. Then make a citizen’s arrest.

  146. Chicon says:

    139 – it is a difficult concept because you’re focused on the wrong thing?

    Does the Presidential Records Act apply to an incoming administration during the transition?

    Can the FBI ask for and get a governmental employee’s records without a subpoena?

    These are some of the legal questions presented here. I’m not sure how they’ll come out, but you are I guess.

  147. Tina says:

    The lresidential records a t applies to the new incoming oresident. It is cited at the usc i provided.

  148. Tina says:

    He could have subpoenead those records and prevailed in court.

    He did not.

  149. SoHope says:

    Bitterlaw is the HHR legal expert. What is his take on the legality of the email grab?

  150. Paul says:

    My wife just told me we need to get passports in case the Trump’s paramilitary forces take to the streets and overturn our democracy. I told her I think we are a long long way from that… but I’m fine with getting ready for a vacation somewhere.

  151. lisab says:

    Can the FBI ask for and get a governmental employee’s records without a subpoena?
    —————————————-

    in some cases maybe … for example if they were looking at an fbi agent’s info they probably can.

    internally agencies have wide leeway, that is why the agency you work for can monitor your emails … you work for them so they are really their emails.

    but otherwise the default answer is “no”. you cannot just turn over a private document to an outside agency without some authorization.

  152. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:48 pm
    139 – it is a difficult concept because you’re focused on the wrong thing?
    Does the Presidential Records Act apply to an incoming administration during the transition?
    Can the FBI ask for and get a governmental employee’s records without a subpoena?
    These are some of the legal questions presented here. I’m not sure how they’ll come out, but you are I guess.

    – Oh, I see. I’m not focused on the right thing because my view goes against Trump. On the other hand, you’re focused on the right thing because you’re view supports Trump.

  153. Tina says:

    The National Archives recently advised that “[t]he materials that [presidential transition team] members create or receive are not Federal or Presidential records, but are considered private materials.” Again, this advice was promulgated during the Obama Administration. See National Archives and Records Administration Bulletin A.C. 09.2017, Memorandum from Laurence Brewer, Chief Records Officer for the U.S. Government, to Federal Agency Records Officers, Nov. 16, 2016, available at https://www.archives.gov/records-mgmt/memos/ac09-2017.

  154. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2017 at 2:50 pm
    He could have subpoenead those records and prevailed in court.
    He did not.

    – Then why didn’t they go straight to court the minute they discovered they had been aggrieved? Why did they just send a letter to Congress?

    The answer is simple. They know Mueller acted legally, but they figured throwing this against the wall would work with their supporters. To their credit, the plan worked. Mueller still has the emails though. But since Trump hasn’t done anything wrong, he’s got nothing to fear, right?

  155. Tina says:

    Nope, they found out in early december, after the sp office lied about it.

  156. Tina says:

    They have to inform congress of the violation to the transition act and privacy violations.

    Best i can tell there is no legal remedy, other than requesting the emails back.

  157. Tina says:

    rump’s lawyers were given a courtesy notice that the transition team lawyer planned to register a complaint, according to a person familiar with the discussion. The transition team lawyer learned of the records being provided to Mueller by GSA on Tuesday when a member of the transition was being interviewed by investigators and was shown a copy of their own email using transition account.

    One White House adviser disputed pundits’ and lawyers’ claims that the only way the transition could object was to file a motion before the chief judge overseeing the grand jury.

  158. Phil says:

    Wow, I go to the gym and you guys are still going back and forth on this?

    That will sort itself out in the courts. If I were Mueller I’d be a lot more worried about the inspector General’s report due out in January. It has the potential to bury this whole thing. Insurance policies? I think this stinks like a dead fish and as the rest of the texts from the two FBI love birds and other figures in the FBI continue to come out this isn’t going to get any better. They are just now scraping the surface and the FBI has stonewalled about as long as they can.

    I’m going to get some popcorn and watch.

  159. Chicon says:

    162 – exactly. See, everyone was aware that Trump was not President yet. The question remains whether Mueller was entitled to the documents without a subpoena? Or am I wrong?

    That is why the questions above are important. If the Act covers the transition, or some other rule does, Mueller MAY have a problem. But I’m not certain how it’ll come out. Perhaps you’re certain.

  160. Tina says:

    The answer is simple. They know Mueller acted legally, but they figured throwing this against the wall would work with their supporters. To their credit, the plan worked. Mueller still has the emails though. But since Trump hasn’t done anything wrong, he’s got nothing to fear, right?

    Nobody can defend mulehead here, other than you, lord arsehat and a drat running for illinois ag.

  161. Tina says:

    The drip drip drip needs to stop with mulehead. He is losing control fast.

  162. Cash Cow TM says:

    “…battling the boobs…”

    heh

  163. lisab says:

    i know you guys don’t have a lot of respect for government employees

    but i hope you know someone cannot call up a government agency and say,

    “hey joe, you know those 60,000 trump emails we have, can you just give them to me… pretty please?”

    that is not how it works. that request would have to go through multiple layers, if for no other reason both the nanagers and the IT guys would have to have written permission

  164. lisab says:

    if mueller got them there should be a solid paper trail

    even if someone authorized them when they were not supposed to

    if not … people will get fired

  165. Chicon says:

    Good article by McCarthy at NRO. Pretty balanced look, so Robbie won’t like it.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454709/steele-dossier-source-fisa-warrant-against-trump-campaign

  166. lisab says:

    it really boggles the mind that robbie thinks agencies can just hand out private info

    there are over a million government employees

    if info was not protected any employee could call up any other employee in the government and say,

    “hey can you send me bitterlaw’s tax records please?”

    that is just not how it works

  167. Chicon says:

    176 – a lot of stuff Robbie writes boggles the mind.

  168. lisab says:

    as a completely new topic

    i watched two teachers’ aides last week discuss when ww2 started

    they did not know

  169. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    177. lisab, Chicon. Every village needs its idiot.

  170. lisab says:

    Every village needs its idiot.
    ————————
    yes, but not as a pilot

  171. Cash Cow TM says:

    Uh oh.

    here is one of the emails they got from the DJT transition team:

    To Cash Cow…
    ______________________________
    “Dear Cash Cow,

    Thanks for all your help to deliver WV.

    We now need you to deliver 6 quarts of half and half for the next transition brunch.

    Have you had time to finish your collusion with the Russians?

    Also, can you find out Robbie the pilot’s location so we can ‘neutralize’ him?”

  172. Cash Cow TM says:

    pilot

    I plot

  173. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    180. “Every village needs its idiot. yes, but not as a pilot.”

    He had the good sense to not attempt to fly to Bogo Pogo, which does not have an airport. He took a cruise instead.

  174. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    181. The transition team member must have been new; otherwise would have known the exploding coconut gambit never works.

  175. Tina says:

    https://dmlnews.com/breaking-trump-says-not-plan-fire-robert-mueller-video/

    Trump comments on the illegal acquisition of the emails. No plan to fire Mueller.

  176. Tina says:

    The president was also asked to comment about the Trump transition team emails that were obtained by Mueller as part of the probe. “Not looking good, it’s not looking good. It’s quite sad to see that. My people were very upset about it,” Trump said.

  177. lisab says:

    When the lights went out: ‘Completely pitch black’ at Atlanta airport

  178. Tina says:

    Conversation
    James Hasson
    James Hasson
    @JamesHasson20
    This is only a breaking news headline because the left spent that last three days speculating and working themselves into a frenzy that he would.
    AP Politics
    @AP_Politics
    BREAKING: After returning from Camp David, Trump says he’s not planning to fire special counsel Robert Mueller.

    Jebots, return in doors..

  179. lisab says:

    mccain to miss tax vote

  180. Tina says:

    Tom Fitton
    Tom Fitton
    @TomFitton
    I am increasingly convinced that Mr. Mueller will resign.

  181. mnw says:

    lisab

    Would you want to be one of the usual suspects (Collins; Corker) and cause McCain to miss spending his last Xmas at home with his family? They’d fly him back if they had to.

    Where are the trolls now who brayed, “Corker is No! It’s ovah, losahs!” Crickets? Yep. Adzh*les? Roger that.

    I can see why historically literate people could disagree on a start date for WW II. When Germany invaded Poland? (Traditional)? or when Japan seized Manchuria?

  182. Tina says:

    Feel bad for mccain, if a vote is necessary, he will make it is what trump said.

  183. Wes says:

    Ay Dios Mio…

    I’m glad I haven’t been around here today till now.

  184. lisab says:

    or when Japan seized Manchuria?
    ————————————-

    or when japan invaded mongolia?

  185. lisab says:

    Would you want to be one of the usual suspects (Collins; Corker) and cause McCain to miss spending his last Xmas at home with his family? They’d fly him back if they had to.
    ————————————

    yes, and i would bet mccain would not come back

  186. Tina says:

    Likes
    John Cardillo’s Tweets
    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    5m
    Can’t wait for General Meathead and Field Marshal Sulu to order the charge of the Light in the Loafers Brigade.

    Take tomthe street.

  187. lisab says:

    glorious win by the patriots!

  188. Wes says:

    Robbie still hasn’t gotten over the fact that Trump handed JEB!’s ass to him last year.

  189. lisab says:

    wes,

    i think the only reason he wanted jeb was because he knew that hillary would have crushed him

  190. Wes says:

    No, Lisa. I think Robbie and Corey were genuine JEB! fanboys. They would have reacted the same way had any other Republican than Trump beaten JEB! in the primaries.

  191. lisab says:

    i think they both wanted hillary to win

    and

    on the off chance jeb won, they would get a dem-lite gop

  192. Wes says:

    After all, the Bushes regard the presidency as a family heirloom. No one but them deserves to hold it (in their minds).

  193. mnw says:

    I have never envisioned the trolls you guys mention as anything other than run-of-the-mill liberals. Full stop. Although some liberals are crafty & ingenious, and those trolls are dull little liberal squawkboxes.

  194. lisab says:

    mnw,

    i am a liberal

    i have no need to lie about my actual beliefs

    and can debate them openly.

    trolls are simply lying little frauds.

  195. Wes says:

    You know, while CNN has a point, they could have been a bit more honest and acknowledge WHY Moore did as poorly as he did:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/13/politics/alabama-exit-poll-analysis/index.html

    1) Roy Moore is Roy Moore–an elitist, sanctimonious, abrasive theocrat with a history of underperformance in Alabama whose repeated thumbing of his nose at the law did him no favors.

    2) Once the sex allegations hit, Moore lost his small margin of error among voters and never genuinely recovered.

    Without that fatal combination of factors, Moore would have prevailed over Jones. While legitimate, the other factors CNN cites in Moore’s loss wouldn’t have been enough for Jones to win.

    Let’s also not forget Jones also took less ghan 50% of the vote against an alleged sex offender. He didn’t light any fires himself in the electorate and would have been an afterthought againdt any Republican other than Roy Moore.

  196. Wes says:

    Than*

    Against*

  197. lisab says:

    the dems lost a senate seat for a while in massachusetts

    sometimes things happen

  198. Tina says:

    Doug Jones rejects Democrats who say Trump should resign over harassment allegations.

    Partisan hack Jake Tapper can’t grasp the fact that Trump was elected despite the allegations whereas the allegations against Al Franken were previously unknown and there is proof he did it.

  199. mnw says:

    lisab

    A liberal in a classical sense? Limited, small govt, libertarian?

    I don’t picture you as a redhot sccialized medicine, racial preferences person.

  200. lisab says:

    A liberal in a classical sense?
    ———————————–

    i am a classical liberal in the sense of i am a lockean on principles of democracy. that is, i strongly agree with john locke on democracy.

    and a utopian socialist, in terms of economics in the tradition of b.f. skinner and walden two on economics.

    the big points skinner made was that if you reward not working, you will get lots of people not working and that if you allow totally free markets you end up with oligopolies and monopolies, i.e. too big to fail institutions. he advocated keeping markets extremely competitive, with lots of buyers and sellers so that the markets are extremely efficient

    extremely efficient markets benefit society the most.

    he was against big government socialism, e.g. marxiam, as being incredibly inefficient. marxism relies on economies of scale to make things efficient for society, but as we saw in the ussr, a lack of competition was worse than any economies of scale.

    moreover, locke would never support marxism as it relies on the point of a gun to get things done.

  201. Wes says:

    I understand that, Lisa. I was just taking CNN to task for its take on the exit polls. Whrn a previously heavily favored candidate loses, there’s sometimes a propensity to overanalyze the results and assign greater weight to ancillary factors than is warranted.

    Indeed, Jones benefited marginally from all the things cited in the exits. Without his facing Roy Moore though, either they wouldn’t have been enough, or Jones would have failed to have a factor breaking advantageously to him.

    The ultimate problem was that the GOP went with the worst available candidate and expected a victory that didn’t materialize when their already weak nominee became embroiled in scandal. They chose badly and suffered backlash for it. Without that critical factor, none of what CNN cited in the exits would have mattered.

  202. lisab says:

    that is why i am against the never trumpers

    first, they want to overthrow a duly elected government. locke would say, suck it up and win the next election. if you don’t abide by an election you invite the other side to not accept the election next time

    which was especially pertinent to locke as england had just chopped off the king’s head in their civil war

  203. lisab says:

    wes,

    agreed.

    although i was against moore as a theocrat, i think it is terrible how he lost.

    this hyper-partisan rhetoric is not good for the country. a person should be judged based on evidence not on party affiliation.

  204. mnw says:

    Wes

    I know this is a glimpse into the obvious, but the GOP primary voters in AL would never have chosen Moore if they had known about the sex allegations.

    I’m sure the timing on the sex allegations was purposeful. WaPo held the story until he’d been nominated.

  205. Wes says:

    I agree, Mnw. Of course Moore should have been automatically toxic because of his rocky tenure as AL Chief Justice. Many people, I among them, rang alarm bells saying Moore was the only candidate Dems would have a chance against. Voters in the primary and runoff, however, were too fixated on Luther Strange’s connections to Bob Bentley to properly evaluate his opponent.

    Moore became a weak frontrunner despite the fact that Jones spouted reflexive liberalism and should never have been a legitimate contender for a Senate seat in the Yellowhammer State.

    Unfortunately as you noted, the primary voters didn’t know about the ticking timebomb of the sexual allegations, though Luther Strange seems to have been aware but used a glawed strategy to get them before the voters. WaPo was more competent in its strategy.

  206. mnw says:

    Wes

    Which means that if Strange knew, & held it back for whatever reason, then the WaPo certainly knew too— & probably with a lot more detail & context then Strange had.

    What Strange likely had were tantalizing rumors.

  207. Chicon says:

    Best wishes to John McCain.

  208. Bitterlaw says:

    I am not certain that primary voters would have dumped Moore if the accusations were made before the primary. Many would still have embraced him as a man of God fighting McConnell.

  209. Tina says:

    Trump states he is not,firing mulehead and then asks the reporters, what are tou surprised?

    The jebot losahs spent the last three days about firing mukehead and taking to the streets

  210. Paul says:

    219: I agree. The accusations from Washington Post might have helped him win the primary.

    For Roy Moore’s eventual loss, I do think his slavery comments were equally significant or even more significant as the sex allegations.

  211. lisab says:

    the big loser in alabama was fraken.

    i am sure he was hoping moore won so he could stay in the senate. he can still backtrack, but it will be harder now.

  212. lisab says:

    btw, there are now sex allegations against chris matthews. he may be gone from msnbc

    but i am sure that nbc was paying people to accuse matthews

    his ratings do not justify his salary

  213. lisab says:

    wasserman shultz will testify tomorrow

  214. MichiganGuy says:

    Franken urged to reverse his resignation.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/18/manchin-franken-senate-resign-300843

    Surprise, surprise.

  215. Tina says:

    d Congress would —

    Cut corporate and individual taxes.
    Repeal the Obamacare individual mandate.
    Appoint a highly-respected conservative to the Supreme Court.
    Appoint a one-year record number of judges to the circuit courts.
    Get rid of reams of unnecessary regulations.
    Destroy ISIS.
    Approve pipeline projects and new oil drilling.

    York misses a few, such as the 22 to 1 cut innfederal regs. Th reg cuts act kike a tax cut.

  216. Tina says:

    Then york dings him for advisors such as omarosa and gorka. They were advisors and not agency heads. The agency heads are largely top notched. Best cabinet in a lomg time compared to bushbama that hired chronies.

  217. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #227-MG
    This may be the biggest scandal EVER. It makes Iran-Contra look like a nothingburger.
    How many American lives were lost because of this?
    This is seditious appeasement and,of course, John Brennan is in the middle of it.

    WHERE IS SESSIONS and the DOJ!!! This is as criminal as it gets!

    Although a long read, EVERYONE here,including Robbie and the Dem. Trolls must read this!

  218. Phil says:

    Where is Sessions?

    Sleeping at his desk like he’s been doing ever since he was confirmed.

  219. Tina says:

    Patience, good folks, patience.

  220. Tina says:

    Al franken to,d by 4drat colleagues to not resign.

    We all knew it was a show.

  221. Cash Cow TM says:

    They have decided to use the Cash Cow data on the cost of chain immigration.

    WILL THE GUBMENT GIVE CREDIT TO CASH COW RESEARCH, INC.?
    ______________________________________________
    DRUDGE
    White House Releases Chain Migration Slide Show…

    $300B cost, 1 immigrant can bring in 120 more, 9.3M in decade…

  222. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE says there is a mysterious buildup of a hot blob in the U.S. northeast….
    *******************
    Cash Cow if feeling a hot blob buildup in her southern regions…

  223. MichiganGuy says:

    Phil, Sessions is working on an important case right now.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/amp/story/2017/12/16/jeff-sessions-marijuana-216109

  224. Cash Cow TM says:

    Oh, and on a serious note…

    Pat Buchannon has a good synopsis of the Russiagate up (comparison to Watergate). Was in our newspaper today.
    _______________________________
    Very enlightening encapsulation.
    Cow gives “4 Hooves Up.”

  225. jason says:

    y wife just told me we need to get passports in case the Trump’s paramilitary forces take to the streets and overturn our democracy. I told her I think we are a long long way from that… but I’m fine with getting ready for a vacation somewhere.”

    Paul, don’t wait, your wife is right, remember the Holocaust and what happened to those who waited too long.

    Move to Cuba right away, be safe.

    You will be happy there, free everything.

  226. Wobbles says:

    “Cut corporate and individual taxes.
    Repeal the Obamacare individual mandate.
    Appoint a highly-respected conservative to the Supreme Court.
    Appoint a one-year record number of judges to the circuit courts.
    Get rid of reams of unnecessary regulations.
    Destroy ISIS.
    Approve pipeline projects and new oil drilling”

    Yeah, but did you see what he said about Mika’s face?

    You have to focus on the big picture.

  227. NYCmike says:

    “$300B cost, 1 immigrant can bring in 120 more, 9.3M in decade…”

    -But Cotton/Perdue RAISE Act is DOA……..

  228. NYCmike says:

    “Pat Buchannon has a good synopsis”

    -He is an anti-Semite, so he can NOT be listened to.*

    *so I have been told.

  229. jason says:

    Pat Buchanan is a flaming anti-semite.

    I can’t read anything he writes because I think he is a despicable turd.

    But a cow has four stomachs, so I guess it can digest it.

  230. NYCmike says:

    Ca$h Cow,

    See what I mean?

  231. jason says:

    “But Cotton/Perdue RAISE Act is DOA”

    Yep, because a 50% cut in LEGAL immigration is not going to get support even in the Republican caucus and will get nowhere near 50 votes.

    But hey, keep bringing this idiocy up over and over, we can keep “DOA”‘ing over and over.

  232. jason says:

    Yeah, NYC is willing to overlook Pat Buchanan’s flaming racism and anti-semitism because he might agree with something he writes.

    The Dems would be proud… “the ends justify the means”.

  233. NYCmike says:

    “Yep, because a 50% cut in LEGAL immigration”

    -Of course, like the current tax reform being debated in Congress, numbers are negotiable.

    What else do you disagree with, or are you just against the bill because of this one item?

  234. NYCmike says:

    Odd how this tax reform bill has had several changes to it, yet jason, and others, insist that the RAISE ACT is DOA due to only ONE ITEM.

    And then they talk about the HFC as being all-or-nothing…..

  235. NYCmike says:

    Ca$h,

    Any thoughts on the RAISE Act?

  236. jason says:

    Let’s remind NYC of a few of Pat Buchanan’s quotes:

    “In the late 1940’s and 1950’s…race was never a preoccupation with us, we rarely thought about it….There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The ‘Negroes’ of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours.”

    “The problem is: Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody.”
    — NY Post, March 17, 1990 (from a column about the trial of accused Nazi war criminal John Demjanjuk)

    “David Duke is busy stealing from me. I have a mind to go down there and sue that dude for intellectual property theft.”
    — Manchester, NH Union Leader, December 15, 1991″

    Capitol Hill is Israeli occupied territory.”
    — McLaughlin Group, June 15, 1990

    “Perhaps this endless search for Nazi war criminals, these endless re-enactments, on stage and screen, of Hitler’s concentration camps are good for the soul. To what end, however, all this wallowing in the atrocities of a dead regime when there is scarcely a peep of protest over the prison camps, the labor camps, the concentration camps operating now in China and Siberia, in Cuba and Vietnam.”
    — Washington Times, August 24, 1983

    “Who would benefit from a war of civilizations between the West and Islam? Answer: one nation, one leader, one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud.”

    “If you want to know ethnicity and power in the United States Senate, 13 members of the Senate are Jewish folks who are from 2 percent of the population. That is where real power is at….”
    — On The McLaughlin Group, February 2, 2007”

    “Wallowing in the atrocities of a dead regime”

    Yeah, Pat, you would soon forget, huh?

  237. jason says:

    What else do you disagree with, or are you just against the bill because of this one item?”

    Why would I even have to bother with the rest?

    Do you eat a whole turd sandwich hoping the next bite won’t have crap in it?

  238. jason says:

    Odd how this tax reform bill has had several changes to it, yet jason, and others, insist that the RAISE ACT is DOA due to only ONE ITEM.”

    Hallelujuh, it finally sunk into NYC’s limited brain.

    I am sorry I said dumb dogs can’t learn new tricks.

    Yes, the tax reform bill had minor changes that got the votes from say 48 to 52.

    BECAUSE IT STARTED WITH A STRONG MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS AND JUST NEED A FEW MORE VOTES TO PASS.

    But if you start with cutting legal immigration by 50%, a stupid position I doubt you could get 25 votes in the R caucus, then you are doomed from the start.

    I am glad you finally grasped the concept.

  239. jason says:

    Big train wreck in WA state.

  240. NYCmike says:

    “But if you start with cutting legal immigration by 50%, a stupid position I doubt you could get 25 votes in the R caucus, then you are doomed from the start.”

    -Got it.

    So instead of the rest of the Republicans saying “We can support this bill, except for the number of illegal immigrants allowed per year.”, they ignore the rest of the issues they agree with in the bill……unless, of course, this issue is NOT the only one!?!?

  241. NYCmike says:

    Are there are any other issues with the RAISE Act?

    Any at all?

  242. Waingro says:

    John McCain?Verified account @SenJohnMcCain
    14m14 minutes ago

    Thanks to everyone for your support & words of encouragement! I’m feeling well & looking forward to returning to work after the holidays.

  243. lisab says:

    nyc,

    one thing at a time.

    reduce illegal immigration, then you can see the effect that has, and then adjust legal immigration.

    the economy is booming. if you suddenly turn off legal immigration it could hurt the economy.

    plus

    it will actually drive illegal immigration higher.

  244. Cash Cow TM says:

    YC,

    I am in favor of the GRAZE Act.

    I dunno about the RAISE Act.
    I will have to contact Pat Buchannon and ask him his view.

  245. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – NYC doesn’t like foreigners. There is no reason to cut legal immigration. I would love to have more “jasons” in America. Of course, they would all want to bring their llamas but that is a separate issue.

    NYC to post “GFY, Bitter. I love foreigners. I just don’t any living here.” in 3…2…1…

  246. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – Tell Senator Cotton to take out the reduction in legal immigration and I would probably support the bill.

  247. Tina says:

    Sean Billings
    Sean Billings
    @SeanJBillings
    ·
    1h
    Replying to @johncardillo
    And now Judge Alex Kozinski of the 9th Circuit is pushed out. If the #NeverTrump cruise ship captains had their way, Clinton would be appointing some 39-year-old communist to replace him.

  248. Tina says:

    Google: “NBC News Everyone Knew Lauer Lair”
    Google: “NBC News Everyone Knew Lauer Lair”
    @NolteNC
    ·
    1h
    Tons more proof Franken is guilty as compared to Roy Moore — but media and Dems still think he should get 5 free gropes, 2 unwanted kisses, and a fondling before he is disgraced.

  249. NYCmike says:

    “Jason – NYC doesn’t like foreigners.”

    -What a ridiculous statement!

    I have lived most of my life in NYC and San Francisco.

    I have ZERO issue with foreigners.

    I do have an issue with chain migration and unlimited welfare expenditures for immigrants, which you seem to be ok with.

    The number of legal immigrants is just that, a number. And similar to the tax reform bill, numbers are negotiable.

  250. NYCmike says:

    ” I just don’t any living here.”

    -Foreigners usually write more better than this!

  251. NYCmike says:

    “NYC – Tell Senator Cotton to take out the reduction in legal immigration and I would probably support the bill.”

    -Bring the bill to the floor and make amendments, so that the rest of it is NOT watered down, since no other issues have been raised.

    This way, all of the voters know exactly who believes in what, and can vote with full knowledge of their positions.

    OR, do you like these incumbents campaigning one way and governing another?

  252. NYCmike says:

    “There is no reason to cut legal immigration.”

    -Until chain migration is gotten rid of, there is a very good reason to cut legal immigration, as Ca$h Cow pointed out up above.

  253. NYCmike says:

    nyc,

    one thing at a time.

    reduce illegal immigration, then you can see the effect that has, and then adjust legal immigration.

    the economy is booming. if you suddenly turn off legal immigration it could hurt the economy.

    plus

    it will actually drive illegal immigration higher.

    -This may be true.

    I would still love to see what other issues that “Republicans” don’t agree with in the RAISE Act.

    For some reason, they only mention the “number of legal immigrants”, which I would think would clearly be negotiable, if the other items are accepted.

  254. NYCmike says:

    “Jason – NYC doesn’t like foreigners.”

    -A Democrat would use this argument, against Bitterlaw and jason, who are supposedly AGAINST unlimited welfare benefits for immigrants, Legal and/or illegal.

  255. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/942495643053912064

    -On a different note, this is one cute kid!

    Welcome back to the baby’s father!

  256. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC gives no reason why legal immigration should be cut. He also raises an issue without proof – the idea that people go through years of waiting, paying attorneys and incurring other costs just to get welfare benefits. Really? I do not know any legal immigrants who did that o get welfare.

  257. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’ want to cut one space for legal immigrants. No reason to do it. Deal with that, NYC.

  258. jason says:

    I don’ want to cut one space for legal immigrants. No reason to do it. Deal with that, NYC.”

    He can’t deal with it.

    Most of the R caucus does not want to cut LEGAL immigration, so a bill that calls for a 50% cut is not going to go anywhere.

    Take that provision out and THEN let’s see if it comes close to having 50 votes.

    THEN you can negotiate the details.

    A 50% cut in legal immigration is a non-starter.

  259. NYCmike says:

    “I don’ want to cut one space for legal immigrants. No reason to do it. Deal with that, NYC.”

    -Fine with me.

    Put the bill on the schedule, debate the merits and the issues, compromise on the number of legal immigrants, take some votes.

    I want Senators on record to see that their campaign promises match their beliefs.

  260. jason says:

    which I would think would clearly be negotiable,”

    I am sure the GOP senators against cuts in LEGAL immigration will take into consideration that some dude named NYC on a blog guarantees the number is negotiable.

  261. NYCmike says:

    “Take that provision out and THEN let’s see if it comes close to having 50 votes.”

    -If you take that out, how do you envision getting any Democrats to vote for the bill?

  262. NYCmike says:

    **If you take that out from the start**

  263. jason says:

    Put the bill on the schedule,”

    It doesn’t work that way.

    This bill is a non-starter, it doesn’t have enough support IN THE GOP caucus, not with a 50% cut in LEGAL immigration.

    Let’s tackle ILLEGAL immigration first, or submit a bill that has significant support in the caucus, let’s say 45-48 votes. THEN you can negotiate from there.

  264. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – I do not think you understand the concept of a “deal breaker.” I do not support any reduction in legal immigration. It is not negotiable.

  265. NYCmike says:

    “He can’t deal with it.”

    -Another stupid statement…….I have been dealing with this situation since Reagan.

    Numbers just keep going up. Reagan “hated foreigners” if you look at how many legal immigrants were allowed when he was President, according to Bitterlaw and jason.

    Totally ridiculous, of course.

  266. jason says:

    “How do you envision getting any Democrats to vote for the bill?”

    Well, if the majority of the GOP caucus is not interested in a 50% cut in LEGAL immigration, it certainly won’t get any Dem votes.

    If Cotton-Perdue want to get legislation passed instead of grandstanding, let them submit a bill with more support in the GOP caucus, they don’t need Dems.

  267. NYCmike says:

    ” It is not negotiable.”

    -HFC members, meet Bitterlaw, our newest member!*

    *I do NOT believe the HFC is as absolute as Bitterlaw is, but it does make for a nice irony in that he is one of the ones who accuses the HFC members as wanting “to send a message!”.

  268. jason says:

    I do not support any reduction in legal immigration. It is not negotiable.”

    I don’t think he got the point yet.

    A 50% cut in legal immigration won’t get 50 votes.
    Or 40. or 30.

    But, hey, SEND A MESSAGE.

  269. NYCmike says:

    “they don’t need Dems.”

    -Cloture rule is not in affect anymore?

  270. NYCmike says:

    So, ZERO other issues with the RAISE Act?

    Got it.

    ALL-or-nothing for jason and Bitterlaw.

    Chain migration and unlimited welfare benefits mean absolutely NADA!

  271. Bitterlaw says:

    Where do you get the fantasy that people spend years waiting to be legal just to get benefits. It is a pretty stupid investment in time and money.

  272. Bitterlaw says:

    My issue against the bill is the reduction in legal immigration. You missed the part where I said I would probably vote for the rest of the provisions.

  273. jason says:

    So, ZERO other issues with the RAISE Act?”

    You really are a dense moron.

    a 50% cut in LEGAL immigration is a NON-STARTER for most of the GOP caucus.

    So its kind of difficult to get to the “other issues” with the 800-lb gorilla in the room.

    If they want the bill to be considered they should take that stupid provision out.

    THEN we can look at chain migration and other issues.

    \

  274. jason says:

    The bill is not going to be considered with a 50% cut in LEGAL immigration.

    NYC has trouble with the concept.

    It’s like saying to someone hey if you jump off a cliff, we will have an ambulance waiting for you at the bottom.

  275. Bronxie says:

    How high is the cliff? Is it negotiable?

  276. jason says:

    I am sympathetic to the chain immigration argument, its obviously being abused.

    As far as benefits, it depends. I don’t have a problem with legal immigrants receiving certain benefits. If they are employed and paying taxes, and they lose their job, yes they should be able to file for unemployment for example.

    To me legal means legal.

    I am not in favor of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

  277. jason says:

    Is it negotiable?”

    Absolutely.

    Bring it to the floor, we can decide on whether its a 250 ft or 500 ft drop.

  278. jason says:

    “Reagan “hated foreigners” if you look at how many legal immigrants were allowed when he was President, according to Bitterlaw and jason.”

    I blame the public school educational system.

    It’s too bad NYC was denied the opportunity to go to a charter school.

  279. jason says:

    Maybe Proud ObamaCON can hook up with her on E-Harmony.

    “A science editor at BuzzFeed UK raised a few eyebrows last week after some curious remarks about Communism.

    “All I want for Christmas is full Communism now,” editor Kelly Oakes tweeted — before locking down her account after it was picked by right-wing media and the always ferocious James Woods.”

  280. Blobbie says:

    Where do you get the fantasy that people spend years waiting to be legal just to get benefits. It is a pretty stupid investment in time and money.
    ———————————–
    that is not true

    actually you can work under the table as an illegal, not pay any taxes etc., and all of that is great until you get old

    soc. security is a lot of money for some countries. you could retire very well in many countries on soc. security.

    in fact, some new immigrants will say they are 10 years older than they really are when entering the country, so they can eventually collect social security 10 years earlier than a typical American citizen.

  281. Blobbie says:

    also, in theory SNAP and section 8 housing can be restricted to illegals

    being legal comes with a lot of benefits

  282. Blobbie says:

    More ILLEGALS NOW

    JEB! would support it!

  283. Cash Cow TM says:

    “…5 free gropes, 2 unwanted kisses, and a fondling before he is disgraced.’
    _________________________________
    Sounds like a parody of a Christmas song…

    “On the first day of Christmas
    Here’s what Franken did to me…

    5 free gropes,
    2 unwanted kisses,
    and a fondling before he’s disgraced.”

  284. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    294. ““All I want for Christmas is full Communism now,” editor Kelly Oakes tweeted”

    Its interesting that when communism actually existed, no one wanted it — least of all the people who lived under it. Its too bad some people cannot move into their fantasy and see what it is like.

  285. lisab says:

    oh be sure to give your child’s teacher another coffee cup for Christmas … i’m sure she only has 10000 coffee cups

    oh … and homemade cookies made by your child … because we know how clean they are … also great

    don’t waste your time on gift cards that can be used for school supplies or to teacherspayteachers.com … we just hate those

  286. lisab says:

    oh … a gift certificate to a steakhouse … great idea, or just buy her a cow carcass

  287. lisab says:

    a huge bag of candy for the classroom! we love feeding children sugar …

    seriously, if you do this i will give your child candy just before dismissal … every … single … day

  288. NYCmike says:

    For Robbie, “CG”, and MD:

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/18/he-would-probably-be-a-dictator-by-now-216113

    “I mean, I spent my entire adult life as a Republican. I worked as an adviser on three Republican presidential campaigns, but now I’m actively rooting for Republicans to lose the congressional elections next year, because the Republicans have shown they are unwilling to uphold their oaths of office. They are unwilling to defend the Constitution against the nonstop threats emanating from Donald J. Trump. And that, to me, trumps, so to speak, anything else, including concerns about tax cuts, or any of these other issues that a lot of Republicans tell themselves are the most important thing in the world.”

    -What are these “nonstop threats emanating from Donald J. Trump.” that he speaks about?

  289. NYCmike says:

    “I think in the case of Mattis, McMaster, probably Kelly too, you know, they didn’t volunteer for the jobs they got. They were asked to take them, and I think they took them, in part—in part—understanding who Trump was, and desiring to contain him. My view—and I know all three, those three in particular, quite well. I think Mattis has done not only the best job, but a pretty fine job of maintaining his integrity as a human being and as kind of a loyal servant to the Constitution. I think the others have been more challenged.”

    -Let me get this straight:

    Trump is some crazy guy, who knowingly, or unwittingly, chose men to work for him who would keep him from doing CRAZY THINGS!

    Got it, Eliot!

  290. lisab says:

    oh … buy pet mice for the classroom, because that is what every teacher wants … pets from hell to take care of over break …

    (by mickey … there’s the door)

  291. NYCmike says:

    “Boot: I mean, I think he’s done quite a bit of damage in the first year, but there’s far more damage he could have done, and there’s far more damage he may still do with his—”

    -Of course, if war with No Korea, Iran, and/or any other country comes along, Trump will SOLELY be responsible for that!

    Past actions have NO AFFECT WHATSOEVER, appeasement always works……isn’t that right, Mr. Chamberlain!

  292. NYCmike says:

    “An honest assessment shows that there have been a couple of real disappoints in Trump’s first year, but even more pleasant surprises. Boot and Cohen come across as unhinged.”

    -Stephen Green’s take from Instapundit.

  293. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/haley-slams-un-ugly-creation-jewish-blacklist-u-s-vetoes-jerusalem-resolution/

    -Thank God that the U N rep is still from the Obama administration……..oh, what was that, TRUMP picked her, and she vetoed this resolution….hmmm……

  294. Bitterlaw says:

    Teachers in my town earn between $55k to $110k. They can buy me presents if they want to do so.

  295. lisab says:

    well you are free to go to school for four years and work with children all day to make 55k in your town if you want

  296. lisab says:

    of course you might have to work in inner city philly instead

  297. NYCmike says:

    “well you are free to go to school for four years and work with children all day to make 55k in your town if you want”

    -How many hours a day, and many days a year?

    And, what sort of pension program do they have?

    In NYC, it is VERY generous!

  298. Tina says:

    Sen. Lee is a yes on tax cuts.

  299. Tina says:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=mjhYxQxgNZE

    Dershowitz slams mulehead. Says that mukehead shoukd have sought a subpoena of the emails from the transition. Derz says mulehead is running a sloppy investigation.

  300. lisab says:

    -How many hours a day, and many days a year?
    And, what sort of pension program do they have?
    In NYC, it is VERY generous!
    ———————————-

    then you are free to go become a teacher.

    if conditions are so good then there must be a surplus of teachers in ny … oh wait …

  301. Chicon says:

    314 – Tina, Robbie ruled yesterday that Dershowitz should not be relied on as an authority on the law. I know he’s a Harvard Law Professor and all, but he apparently needs a job.

  302. NYCmike says:

    lisab,

    If it was up to me, all city employees would be paid differently than they are now…..and teachers would definitely get paid more.

    In fact, I would double salaries for most…….BUT, get rid of all of the pension programs they have a choice of.

    They would have to manage their own retirement accounts. Once they leave employment, that is the end of their checks.

    Pension costs may bankrupt the city eventually.

  303. Tina says:

    Fbi Dirty cop ohr no shows today.

    Uh oh.

  304. Tina says:

    Chicon, rottie was twisting badly. His last post was the ends justifies the means. Everything trump did is collussion,meverything her thighness did is politics.

  305. Tina says:

    Seems like ohr and mccabe, who were bith scheduled to testify to congresss will not.

  306. Tina says:

    Ohr used the same excuse as mccabe, a scheduling conflict.

    Bs on bs.

  307. NYCmike says:

    Ohr and McCabe have “scheduling conflicts”……Robbie will accept that.

  308. Tina says:

    Pete the cheat now claims that he was “trying to help trump”

    Lol

  309. NYCmike says:

    “CG” will imply that Trump is an anti-Semite because Ohr and McCabe were scheduled for a hearing during Channukah in 3…….2…….1….

  310. NYCmike says:

    Who is “Pete the cheat”, and does he play for the Patriots?

  311. Tina says:

    Strokz, sp? The guy with mistress.

    Sheot isbreaking fast on muh russian.

  312. Tina says:

    Drip, drip, drip…

  313. NYCmike says:

    …somebody needs a plumber….

  314. Tina says:

    The Wall Street Journal, citing individuals familiar Peter Strzok’s message, said the agent did not mean to indicate that there was a plan to damage Trump. Strzok’s message, instead, was intended to mean that Trump could win the election, and therefore the probe “couldn’t afford to take a more measured approach,” the newspaper said. (read more)

    Yup, and f trump.

    Oh, and from mccabe, first we f flynn and then we f trump

    But move along, no bias from strokz despte removal.

  315. Chicon says:

    Mike – I was thinking someone needs Depends…

  316. Chicon says:

    And, by someone, I do not necessarily mean our intrepid pilot. He’s quite sensitive, so I wanted clarify my post about Depends.

  317. Robbie says:

    I’ve been off the grid for the last 24 hours. I assume Trump’s lawyers saw the armchair legal analysis at HHR yesterday, went to court, and got an injunction that prevents Mueller from using anything he found in the transition emails, right?

  318. Robbie says:

    Clearly, the Republican pollsters at POS who conducted this survey for Trump didn’t have the right partisan breakdown. I’ve been assured by the poll fiskers at HHR that a 12 point margin in favor of the Democrats is just fantasy and there’s no reason to worry.

    Kyle Kondik?
    @kkondik

    Public Opinion Strategies, GOP firm that conducted the poll, had Ds up 49-37 in generic ballot

  319. mnw says:

    I assume real attys are taking care of business, instead of little ignorant trolls?

    You know about as much about “injunctions,” & their proper & impermissible uses, Wobbles, as I do about marine life in the Mariana Trench.

  320. Chicon says:

    335 – good to see you here. Yesterday you said Turley was a voice worth listening to. He was just on Fox saying everything the board told you. Apparently he’s written on the topic, but I’ve not seen it. Hopefully you’ll still think he’s worth listening to.

  321. Tina says:

    The jebot can laugh all he wants at trumps attorney. But is trump in jail for muh collusion? what about muh obstruction?

    What about putzoldakas wearing muh wire?

  322. Tina says:

    Dershowitz also i dicstes that mulehead plays right into trumps hand. Everybody is talking about hiw corrupt the mulehead investigation is. Mulehead is boxed in. He cannot do anythung now and the ig now supercedes the sc.

    Dershowitz is surrprised that mulehead has run a crappy investigation with so many corrupt or incomoetent investigators.

    Reading between the lines, it would appear that team trump put a sting on the fbi leadership and is just beginning to pick them off. Comedy, mccabe, prietstap, unweissman, pete the cheat, the mistress, sally dumb sheot yates, eyc.

  323. Chicon says:

    http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/365371-mueller-makes-reckless-move-with-seizure-of-trump-transition-emails

    Here you go, Robbie. Remember, this is a guy you took seriously just yesterday.

  324. Tina says:

    According to Dershowitz, any evidence obtained from the illegal acquisition of the emails will be challengef. A judge can strike all of it. He said it was not wise for mulehead to proceed absent a subpoena.

    It would appear that trumps lawyers were prepared to give some of those emails to begin with, but mulehead was warned by the late gsa legal counsel that tehy were privileged.

  325. Chicon says:

    340 – Remember, Tina, Robbie ruled yesterday that Dershowitz should not be relied on as a legal authority despite being a law professor at Harvard.

  326. Tina says:

    I know that turkey and Dershowitz are leftists. They raise interesting arguments. Dershowitz always says on his appearances that in disclosure, he voted for hillary and is a drat. A little honesty.

  327. Tina says:

    Dershowitz admits that transition stuff raises a grey area. It is not clear whether it is privileged materials. The gsa counselor that died indicated it was as does turley. The gsa website also suggests it.

    Too much of a grey area for mulehead not to proceed with a subpoena.

  328. mnw says:

    Before reading “Prof. Wobbles Dissertaion on Injunctive Relief,” I would like him to post his LSAT score & his law school GPA.

    Fair? Failing that, has he ever had a J-O-B? If so, doing WHAT?

  329. Tina says:

    All i know is my opinion of pete the cheat has changed. He really wanted to help trump, despite him saying f trump.

    Sarc.

  330. mnw says:

    Tina

    I disagree about Dershowitz. I know I’m in the minority. I consider him to be a FORMER leftist. I think he swallowed the redpill.

  331. Tina says:

    Too much of a grey area for mulehead not to proceed with a subpoena.

    Dershowitz opinion.

  332. Tina says:

    I do too, mnw, but at least he is honest about disclosing it.

    We need to hear the legal arguments from the drst running for illinois ag.

  333. mnw says:

    If there’s the SLIGHTEST doubt about the propriety of gathering evidence without using a subpoena…use a Grand Jury subpoena!

  334. Tina says:

    That is what Dershowitz suggested, mnw. I linked to the video.

    Dershowitz said grey area, never tested before., need for a legal ruling.

  335. Tina says:

    THe insurance policy was just meant to help trump.

    Lol,

    Btw, pete the cheat was the investigator on the flynn matter. I think he purposely lied to the fbi because it was none of the fbis businesss who flynn was reaching out to as nsa head to be. In shirt, normal exec. Branch biz.

  336. Chicon says:

    Mnw and Tina – to me, Dershowitz and Turley are lawyers first. They appear to call it like they see it, imo. Sometimes it’s not what I’d like to hear, but they seem to give their honest opinion.

  337. Tina says:

    Reading between the lines of Dershowitz, ihe appears to imply that mulehead is purposefully screwing up.

  338. Tina says:

    Senate launches investigation into gp candidate jill stein.

    Jill stein is a russian agent.

  339. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    346. “Before reading “Prof. Wobbles Dissertaion on Injunctive Relief,” I would like him to post his LSAT score & his law school GPA.

    Fair? Failing that, has he ever had a J-O-B? If so, doing WHAT?”

    You do know that Bogo Pogo has a law school don’t you? As far as job, being a full-time troll takes a lot of work.

  340. Tina says:

    Full time troll, major.

    Paper plane construction, minor.

    Sleep to noon, mandatory

  341. mnw says:

    Chicon 354

    I agree.

    Btw, the Bluz have fallen, & they can’t get up. These are the times that try men’s souls.

  342. Chicon says:

    359 – split with the Jets, right. Just tread water until the boys get back.

    The hockey season is such a meat-grinder, eh? (just threw in a bit of Canadian lingo there…..).

  343. lisab says:

    had mueller gotten the emails through proper channels would some of it at least been held back or redacted?

    almost certainly

    thus mueller’s problem.

    there is going to be private information in those emails that should not be available to mueller, including 3rd party email addresses, phone numbers, names etc. that had nothing to do with the investigation at all. that stuff should have all been redacted. it wasn’t. so now all that info is available to mueller’s staff and is being leaked

    and thus number 10 is going to get prank phonecalls at 4 am

  344. lisab says:

    the fbi won’t even release hillary’s emails until 2020 and most of it is heavily redacted

    but robbie thinks it is ok for the president’s emails to be given out willy nilly

  345. Phil says:

    Lisa with the winner.

  346. lisab says:

    actually, i take it back,

    the fbi refuses to release hillary’s emails

  347. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    December 18, 2017 at 6:23 pm
    I assume real attys are taking care of business, instead of little ignorant trolls?
    You know about as much about “injunctions,” & their proper & impermissible uses, Wobbles, as I do about marine life in the Mariana Trench.

    – Yes, the real attorneys are taking care of business and that’s why they chose to write a letter to Congress rather than file suit in court.

  348. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 18, 2017 at 6:24 pm
    335 – good to see you here. Yesterday you said Turley was a voice worth listening to. He was just on Fox saying everything the board told you. Apparently he’s written on the topic, but I’ve not seen it. Hopefully you’ll still think he’s worth listening to.

    – I actually got to watch Turley FoxNews tonight. I didn’t find him persuasive for this reason. Mueller asked the GSA for the emails and they agreed to give them to him. He didn’t trick them. He didn’t steal them. He asked for them and they gave them to him. Isn’t that the way the process is supposed to go? Yes.

    And again, if Trump’s sad sack lawyers thought there was an issue, they’d have been in court last week when they discovered this. Yet even after the story broke in the press this weekend, they still didn’t go to court even today.

  349. mnw says:

    Chicon

    Indeed.

    RE: Trump/ economy/jobs/taxes

    At the beginning of the year, wage earners are going to discover, to their surprise, that there is a little something extra added to their paycheck. 401/IRA account statements will also provide a VERY pleasant surprise indeed. Plus, your nephew Louie, the unemployed pipefitter, is working again for the first time in the last 3 years.

    Tell me again how much Joe Sixpack hates Trump?

  350. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    December 18, 2017 at 6:42 pm
    Before reading “Prof. Wobbles Dissertaion on Injunctive Relief,” I would like him to post his LSAT score & his law school GPA.
    Fair? Failing that, has he ever had a J-O-B? If so, doing WHAT?

    – I think I’ve made it very clear over the last decade what I do for a living.

    By the way, can you explain why Trump’s legal team has not filed suit more than a week after discovering this if they really felt there was a violation?

  351. Bitterlaw says:

    Subpoenas are not magical document grabbers. You can still object to them and demand that a Judge review whether the documents must be produced and whether there are limitations.

  352. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    December 18, 2017 at 6:47 pm
    If there’s the SLIGHTEST doubt about the propriety of gathering evidence without using a subpoena…use a Grand Jury subpoena!

    – He went to the GSA and asked for the emails. The GSA agreed to give them to him. What more do you want?

  353. Tina says:

    Lisab, he was not president.

    Lol.

  354. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 18, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    to me, Dershowitz and Turley are lawyers first.

    – Turley, yes. Dershowitz, no.

  355. Tina says:

    369,, bl, we stated that, Dershowitz subpoenea and litigate, get a ruling, proceed. Or do not proceeed.

  356. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 18, 2017 at 7:02 pm
    346. “Before reading “Prof. Wobbles Dissertaion on Injunctive Relief,” I would like him to post his LSAT score & his law school GPA.
    Fair? Failing that, has he ever had a J-O-B? If so, doing WHAT?”
    You do know that Bogo Pogo has a law school don’t you? As far as job, being a full-time troll takes a lot of work.

    – Let’s be clear how SDC defines as troll. In his view, it’s anyone who is a conservative Republican, has a history in this forum of advocating for conservative Republican candidates and policy, but chooses not to like a foul person like Trump.

  357. Tina says:

    A judge could have given all of those emails, or none., or some. Mulehead did not go through proper challenges.

    He was warned by gsa legal counsel that they were protected. Legal counsel got sick, amd died.

    I think it was pete the cheat, super agent that got the, and mulehead maybe did not even know

  358. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 18, 2017 at 7:04 pm
    Full time troll, major.
    Paper plane construction, minor.
    Sleep to noon, mandatory

    – Until you mentioned planes, I figured you were describing yourself. After all, trolls quote John Nolte, Mike Cernovich, and Jack Posobiec like you do.

  359. Tina says:

    Has anybody made contact with ohr? He just went off the grid? Wtf.

  360. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 18, 2017 at 7:13 pm
    had mueller gotten the emails through proper channels would some of it at least been held back or redacted?
    almost certainly
    thus mueller’s problem.

    – At HHR, this kind of “legal analysis” is valued because it advocates for a pro-Trump position.

    Of course, the facts show Mueller asked for the emails and the GSA agreed. He followed procedure. Had the GSA said no, he would have gotten a subpoena. That’s the way it’s done.

  361. Tina says:

    The penguin on cnn just called trump a russian spy.

    Lol, clapper. Desperate.

  362. Tina says:

    Yeah, coree, that is the way its done,

  363. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 18, 2017 at 7:16 pm
    Lisa with the winner.

    – I didn’t know you moonlighted as a comedian. You made me laugh.

  364. Tina says:

    The house committe rs should just subpoena those fbi coup plotters. Subpoena their arses, if they fail to show, arrest them.

  365. Tgca says:

    367 MNW

    You are aware that this is now an Obama economy, riiiiiight?

    1st Don Lemon of CNN explained this last week
    2nd, Obama reminded all in a speech and thanked himself
    3rd, Pau Krugman, the ESTEEMED Nobel Laureate in economics validated it today.

    So last year when they ridiculed Trump and team for projecting a 3%+ growth, they now claim its because of Obama policies.

  366. Tina says:

    They need to quit allowing mccabe, ohr, etc. from having these scheduling conflicts, which is bs.

  367. Phil says:

    A Russian spy?

    LOL

    Just when I thought CNN couldn’t get any more nutty….

    They continue to descend into the depths of insanity. Pass the popcorn.

  368. Tina says:

    This assumes that ohr still lives. He does look like a mental lunatic that escaped the fbi should be embarrassed to have sheot on the for e like that.

  369. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If people think the Trump presidency is exciting at times, imagine what the McCain-Palin presidency would have been like:

    Sarah Palin’s son just got arrested for assaulting his father. at the Palin house:

    “Todd Palin answered the door armed with a pistol when his son arrived, but Track broke a window to get into the house and then started savagely beating him, cops said.

    The younger Palin threw his dad to the ground and hit him repeatedly on the head, leaving him covered in blood and with a liquid oozing from his ear, the documents said.

    Sarah Palin, the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee, called police at 8:30 p.m. and said her son was “freaking out and was on some type of medication.”

    When cops arrived, they saw the parents fleeing the house in separate vehicles, Todd Palin with blood running down his face and Sarah Palin looking “visibly upset,” the paper reported.

    Police confronted Track Palin, who called them “peasants,” and told them to lay down their weapons, according to the documents. Eventually, Palin left the house and was handcuffed.

    He told cops that had told his father to shoot him several times, according to the documents.”

    The Palins certainly would have kept the Secret Service busy.

  370. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 18, 2017 at 7:27 pm
    Lisab, he was not president.
    Lol.

    – Question for Tina, attorney at law. Can Trump claim executive privilege on the transition emails?

    Of course, the answer is no since that is reserved for the actual executive who was Obama at the time.

  371. Tina says:

    Obama spent 8 years blaming mute 43. Granted, mute phuqed up the economy, but 2-3years later. Abf gdp should have been better than 1.5.

  372. Tina says:

    – Question for Tina, attorney at law. Can Trump claim executive privilege on the transition emails?

    Of course, the answer is no since that is reserved for the actual executive who was Obama at the time.

    Dumbsheot, see turley and Dershowitz for the answer.

  373. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 18, 2017 at 7:29 pm
    A judge could have given all of those emails, or none., or some. Mulehead did not go through proper challenges.

    – This is so nutty, but it’s par for the course from you. He absolutely followed the proper procedure. He asked for them and they gave them to him. If the GSA wanted to require a subpoena, all they had to do was say so. They chose not to do so.

  374. Phil says:

    …almost as big a howler as “Dershowitz just wants to be noticed by Trump”

    We’re still laughing at that one.

  375. Tina says:

    i am sure the paper plane chrasher has read voth turley and Dershowitz.

  376. Robbie says:

    It sounds like Sarah Palin’s son is suffering from some tragic issues. He should be left alone to recover and seek help. PTSD from war service is a terrible thing.

  377. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 18, 2017 at 7:37 pm
    – Question for Tina, attorney at law. Can Trump claim executive privilege on the transition emails?
    Of course, the answer is no since that is reserved for the actual executive who was Obama at the time.
    Dumbsheot, see turley and Dershowitz for the answer.

    – Bless your heart. I asked what you think. Not what Turley thinks. I guess your view is yes Trump can use executive privilege even though he wasn’t the country’s executive at the time?

  378. Phil says:

    Was Palin’s son in combat? I don’t remember.

  379. lisab says:

    That’s the way it’s done.
    —————————

    actually it is not

    and you would know that if you worked for the government

  380. Tina says:

    Bless your heart wrote the esquire who moonlights in paper plane xonstruction.

  381. Tina says:

    Yes, he served a year in iraq in 2015 or 2016 sarah says he came back not the same.

  382. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 18, 2017 at 7:38 pm
    …almost as big a howler as “Dershowitz just wants to be noticed by Trump”
    We’re still laughing at that one.

    – He does. People go on Fox n Friends to give pro-Trump takes for one reason and one reason only. To be seen by Trump. Ever noticed how much of his morning Twitter feed comes directly from what is on Fox n Friends?

  383. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 18, 2017 at 7:43 pm
    Was Palin’s son in combat? I don’t remember.

    – I believe yes.

  384. Tina says:

    Only if the coup plotters realized that nsa head adm rogers knows all before mccabe takes a dump.

  385. Tina says:

    at that one.

    – He does. People go on Fox n Friends to give pro-Trump takes for one reason and one reason only. To be seen by Trump. Ever noticed how much of his morning Twitter feed comes directly from what is on Fox n Friends?

    Bs

  386. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 18, 2017 at 7:44 pm
    That’s the way it’s done.
    —————————
    actually it is not
    and you would know that if you worked for the government

    – Yes, it is the way things are done. I know it’s hard to believe something a Trump lawyer said isn’t true, but it happens.

  387. lisab says:

    robbie is not president either

    i guess the irs can just release all his info then to anyone who asks

  388. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 18, 2017 at 7:46 pm
    Only if the coup plotters realized that nsa head adm rogers knows all before mccabe takes a dump.

    – IT’S A COUP! JESSIE WATERS SAID SO!

  389. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 18, 2017 at 7:48 pm
    robbie is not president either
    i guess the irs can just release all his info then to anyone who asks

    – I’m not a government employee who was told, that by using a .gov email address, my emails were subject to review.

  390. Tgca says:

    397 agree

    One agency employee cannot simply obligate another agency employee to turn over data that contains priviate or attorney-client privilege information. There is a process that is required in various agencies to release information.

    If it were that simple, why couldn’t Obama, as the chieg executive of the executive branch order the IRS to turn over Trump tax returns and then forward them to other departments wothout courtt ordetrs? Why? Because there iste rules and regulations regarding dispersing information.

  391. Tina says:

    The irs can just uh leak trumps tax returns, kind of like the ones leaked by lard arse a few months ago.

  392. Tina says:

    The transition team was not government employees.

  393. Tina says:

    That is why they file mous with the gsa.

  394. Tgca says:

    The bottom line here is that Mueller reputation has been tarnished big time. He was well-respected going into the probe. No longer. He has been reversed on errors before and it is now quite possible that any success he had will be erased on appeal. When fellow GOP congress critters start calling you out, you know there’s a crecibilityo issue.

    I said it before, and I’ll say it again, Mueller made a HUGE mistake taking this job when it involved his close personal friend.

  395. Tina says:

    Turley, of George Washington University in Foggy Bottom, D.C., said the legal territory Langhofer waded into is “a somewhat ambiguous area.”

    “Why take the risk?” he asked of the Mueller team’s decision to go about obtaining the documents the way it did.

    Turley said Langhofer is correct as far as claiming the documents are not the property of the General Services Administration, where Mueller’s team obtained them.

  396. Tina says:

    He said Mueller and his deputy, Andrew Weissmann, have a history of an aggressive style of handling cases, with the latter being accused of “prosecutorial overreach” by critics of the Enron scandal’s proceedings.

    Mueller lost out on the anthrax matter, falsely accusing somevody,

    Unweissman had a series of cases overturned on appeal, as did pareet recently.

    But jebot knows most.

  397. lisab says:

    government agencies are not allowed to release private information without some kind of authorization …

    imagine if trump exchanged emails with his lawyers

    now you have the government evesdropping on communications between a lawyer and his client!

    that is why all stuff like that has to be redacted

  398. Tina says:

    f the evidence was improperly seized, it could contaminate later evidence derived from it in a “fruit of the poisonous tree” theory. Mueller would not be the first to face such a cascading problem of contamination.

    The independent counsel in the Iran-Contra affair, Lawrence Walsh, saw his conviction of Oliver North tossed out due to the fact that the court believed that his investigation was “tainted” by evidence derived from North’s immunized testimony before Congress. Walsh was unable to show that key evidence was not derived in some way from the protective testimony given by North.

  399. mnw says:

    Tgca 383

    Don’t you think that will be a tough sell, though? I trust the common sense of typical American voters… God help me, but I still do.

    It’s tough to maintain a huge hate-on for a guy who keeps dropping gold in your pocket, at least I hope so.

    Btw, here’s something you won’t hear again after tomorrow;

    “But Gorsuch!”*

    *said mockingly to make fun of the supposed fact that Trump can’t get anything significant through Congress.

  400. lisab says:

    I’m not a government employee who was told, that by using a .gov email address, my emails were subject to review.
    ====================================

    subject to review does not give the agency permission to hand them over to another agency

  401. Tina says:

    Yet, this does not explain why the GSA believed it had authority to give the emails to a third party. Moreover, unlike Mueller’s use of Manafort’s own attorney as a witness (which many of us view as improper but a judge allowed), this demand does not appear to have been made in the form of a court-approved subpoena.

    Gsa should explain why

  402. Tina says:

    IT is pretty clear gsa did not own those documents, only the storage for them.

  403. Chicon says:

    Robbie, read the Turley article I linked to above. He makes all the points you said we were wrong about yesterday. Perhaps he’s wrong and you’re right.

  404. Tina says:

    Mueller could have simply sought the preservation and judicial review of the material, but elected (again) the blunt tool over the surgical device. In the end, if Mueller does not charge on any type of “collusion” claim, this may all prove harmless. However, if he proceeds to an indictment, he may have created a poison pill factor where indictments could be brought but prove unprosecutable. That actually might satisfy some as compromise like the practice of some Plains Indians to prove their bravery by touching enemies with “coup sticks.” Of course, they were generally then shot by settlers.

    This summarizes muleheads problem.

  405. Tgca says:

    Congress changed the laws after JFK had RFK appointed AG. Can anyone seriously believe that any investigation into JFK by the Justice Department would be fair under RFK? Same should be said of recent FBI heads. A recent FBI head whose folks are part of an investigation inquiry themselves should not be leading an investigation.

    Mueller is tainted and has now been caught at least twice by misleading or inappropriate behavior, and that doesn’t even count the leaks in his team that are illegal acts.

    Trump and team have now out-maneuvered and forever tarnished the investigation because of Meullets poor judgment.

  406. Diamond Jim says:

    It’s yesterday all over again on HHR.

  407. Tina says:

    Mulehead seems to got manaforts attorney to testifynagainst him. He got a legal ruling. This seems controversial and will likely be an issue at trial.

  408. Tina says:

    So, turley, mulehead is reckless.

    Dershowitz mulehead is stupid.

    Both saying that mulehead phuqed up.

    But jebot and an illinois ag, who cites no legal basis, say otherwise.

  409. mnw says:

    Dear God, please let the liberals continue to discuss white privilege, gun control, DACA and impeachment. I humbly pray.

  410. Tina says:

    Has ohr been accounted for? Anybody check Marcy Park?

  411. Tina says:

    Daca is for the yute. 27 billion to legalize them, they are kids at 28

  412. Chicon says:

    Mnw – Kings v. Flyers on NHL Network if you’re interested.

  413. Tina says:

    Judge nap agrees with rottie.

    Mueller’s email grab is legal b/c the ‘GSA WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOTIFYING POTUS THAT HAD RECEIVED A SUBPOENA ABOUT THE EMAILS.”

    Only problem is , there was no subpoena,

  414. mnw says:

    Chicon

    I’m too bummed out. But thx.

  415. Chicon says:

    Robbie and Judge Napolitano on one side. Turley and Dershowitz on the other.

  416. mnw says:

    “Black Unemployment Rate Lowest In 17 Years”

    But rayciss!

    PDT needs to find more imaginative means to reach out to AAs, bypassing the CBC & all the rest of that. He’s got the selling points.

  417. Tgca says:

    Per Fox News, CNN mocked for explanation of Anderson Cooper twitter account being hacked (that led to calling Trump a loser) after they provided explanation that AC assistant is the only other person with access to the twitter account and he left his phone in an unlocked gym locker, that someone then accessed to send the FAKE tweet.

    “Who among us hasn’t opened an unlocked gym locker, found an unlocked smart phone among its contents, used it to log into the owner’s twitter account, and upon seeing it was Anderson Cooper’s, sent a tweet at the President and then put the phone back exactly where it was?”

  418. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    394. It sounds like Sarah Palin’s son is suffering from some tragic issues. He should be left alone to recover and seek help. PTSD from war service is a terrible thing.

    Actually the issue of Track’s PTSD was brought out by Sarah Palin when she was campaigning for Trump, she blamed Obama for neglecting veterans.

    “TULSA — Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin on Wednesday addressed her son’s recent arrest — which she called “the elephant in the room” — while stumping here for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, and accused President Obama of neglecting veterans and tied that to her son’s recent domestic violence charges.

    “When my own son is going through what he goes through coming back, I can certainly relate to the families who…feel these ramifications of PTSD,” she told the rowdy crowd of around 8,000 people. “And it makes me realize more than ever it is now or never for the sake of America’s finest that we have a commander-in-chief who will respect them.””

  419. Chicon says:

    Mnw – agree on the AA front. The party should try to compete for every group out there. Not by pandering, but by explaining how conservative principles with make their lives better.

    It’ll take awhile to make a dent, but I believe they should make the effort.

    Trump asking AA’s what their lockstep voting for Dems has gotten them is a good start.

  420. hugh says:

    Robbie maybe wrong maybe right, but I think Turley nailed it. No doubt this looks horrible for Mueller and another indication of how his team is operating. His key person brought down the largest consulting accounting firm in the country and was reversed. Mueller did not pick one non partisan person for his team. I have no respect for him anymore. His goal is to bring down trump before trump brings down Muellers friends. And Mueller is losing the race right now. his is not a regular legal proceeding public opinion matters and the FBI and Mueller do not look objective except to a partisan hack.

  421. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Actually, the whole Palin family can hold their own in a brawl. If you go back to the 19th century, this happened a lot, and was looked upon as a pioneer virtue.

    “They’re calling it the Rumble in the Tundra. Two weeks ago the Palins, Alaska’s former first family, waded into a brawl at a party in Anchorage. Now, self-described “Mama Grizzly Bear” Sarah Palin has referred to the incident on Facebook, writing that she is “proud” of her eldest daughter Bristol, who is said to have punched the party’s host in the face during the fracas.
    “I love Bristol,” wrote the erstwhile Alaska Governor and 2008 Republican vice-presidential candidate. “My straight-shooter is one of the strongest young women you’ll ever meet. I have to say this as a proud mama: right up there with their work ethic and heart for those less fortunate, my kids’ defence of family makes my heart soar.”
    Ms Palin and her husband Todd, both 50, and two of their five children – Bristol, 23, and Track, 25 – attended the birthday party on 6 September at the home of Chris Olds, a local celebrity and winner of the 2010 Iron Dog Snowmobile Race, an annual contest billed as “The World’s Longest, Toughest Snowmobile Race.”
    Alaska blogger Amanda Coyne wrote that the fight broke out shortly after Track Palin turned up at the event in a “stretch Hummer”. Track, an Iraq War veteran, spotted an ex-boyfriend of his sister Willow, 20, among the guests, and made known his distaste for the young man. Police said “alcohol was believed to have been a factor” in the “verbal and physical altercation” that followed.
    As many as 20 people are thought to have been involved in the fracas at its height, including Todd, who was reportedly left with a bloody nose, and Bristol, who is alleged to have slugged Mr Olds in the face. Ms Palin, for her part, yelled “Do you know who I am?!” when her family was asked to leave, according to witnesses.
    Ms Coyne wrote: “The owner of the house gets involved, and he probably wished he hadn’t. At this point, he’s up against nearly the whole Palin tribe: Palin women screaming. Palin men thumping their chests. Word is that Bristol has a particularly strong right hook, which she employed repeatedly.” She went on, “As people were leaving in a cab, Track was seen on the street, shirtless, flipping people off, with Sarah right behind him, and Todd… tending to his bloody nose.””

  422. mnw says:

    Chicon

    I couldn’t agree more. Trump did surprisingly well among AAs last time, by historical measures.

    The chips are right there on the table, waiting for him to rake them in.

    I would suggest that he start by scheduling Q & A sessions with black employment groups— Benevolent Association of Black Police Officers kind of thing, for example.

  423. lisab says:

    as an example of keeping things confidential,

    if i email my students’ parents a bulk email, i have to use bcc not cc, so that i don’t disclose everyone’s emails to everyone else.

    however, i guess if i had trump’s emails to his lawyers, i could just send them around …

    all that stuff has to be redacted

  424. lisab says:

    and another thing …

    if you ask for one record you have to request it in writing and prove you have authority to get it

    do you think there is any chance an agency will hand over 60,000 records — without some authorization?

    there just is no chance. if nothing else the IT people are separate from the agency bosses, so they at least would need a piece of paper saying they could release the records

    it would not be a trivial thing

  425. mnw says:

    If I were whispering in Trump’s ear, I’d say, “Go talk to Asian-American groups! They DESPISE racial preferences, even more than you do.

    Go see some Jewish- American groups, too. You probably have a bunch of ‘shy Tories’ waiting for you there.

    Then go to a factory gate at a newly-reopened auto sssembly plant & shake some hands.

    Take the fight to THEM.

  426. Chicon says:

    444 – indeed. And don’t concede any group. Make the other team defend their home court. One benefit Republicans have in this area is that they don’t need to change their story to any one group – one set of principles can help all. Dems pit groups against each other.

  427. MichiganGuy says:

    Trump Job Approval – Economy:

    Approve 47%
    Disapprove 43%

    Trump Job Approval:

    Approve 42%
    Disapprove 49%

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/18/economic-optimism-soaring-helping-trump-cnbc-survey.html

  428. mnw says:

    Chicon

    I suspect (hope) that portions of marginalized minority groups would be receptive to that:

    “Let’s start talking about REAL stuff: Jobs. Wages. Take home pay. Equality of opportunity. Effective policing.”

    “Let the customer come into the store.”*

    * (Baron Von Richthofen)

  429. mnw says:

    MG

    Thx. Interesting. We live in interesting times.

  430. Tina says:

    Ed henry reports no subpoena to the gsa over the transition team materials. Looks like judge nap is wrong.

  431. Tina says:

    The Mueller search runs afoul of many of these established court precedents and Fourth Amendment privacy and privilege principles. First, it appears Mueller searched and seized every email, without any kind of categorical or keyword search. This is exactly the kind of search the Supreme Court made clear was not allowed under the Fourth Amendment. This means Mueller can only prevail if he didn’t seize a single email of a single individual that the individual could have any expectation of either personal privacy or attorney client privilege in.

    The primary excuses proffered so far for the broad seizure is the faulty assumption the use of a government server waived all privacy and all privilege of every email ever made over that server. As identified above, that has never been the law. The security and efficacy of government-owned servers for transition employees are not intended as a trap for the unwary to forever forfeit their privacy and privilege rights in their communications. Indeed, doing so would undermine use of such communications, and invite Hillary Clinton type bathroom closet email servers for everybody.

    Mueller’s problem here is these were not even government employee emails; they were the emails of private individuals stored temporarily on a government server, and publicly declared to be “private materials” as a matter of custom, practice and the public policy of the National Archives. As Professor Jonathan Turley identifies, the National Archives recognize transition email records “are not federal or presidential records, but considered private materials.”

    The only “notice” evidence otherwise given publicly is that an agreement between the GSA and the transition team identified the possibility of technical and maintenance audits, with some claiming this as a “waiver” of all privacy and privilege rights in the emails forever. Here again, the law does not support such a claim; even cases with much more specific notices and much less invasive searches, found privacy and privilege objections persisted. So far, a striking lack of arguments and evidence has been mounted for claiming every single email lacked any privacy or privilege.

    It appears to me, Mueller deliberately skipped the court, the grand jury, and the government-imposed limits on investigative inquiries into worker conduct under Supreme Court precedent; he might have done so because he wanted a tactical edge, and was walling to ignore the Fourth Amendment restrictions on him to do so. Mueller may come to regret his choice.

  432. mnw says:

    BL

    Flying under the radar: the law in Philly to ban convenience stores from using bulletproof glass

    Long story short: Get your adz out of Dodge, or we’ll let the street thugs murder you.

    Did I miss anything?

  433. lisab says:

    Tina,

    i agree. as i said before being a private citizen gives you more protections not less

    and

    lots of stuff would have to be redacted because it would not be allowed to be given out even if there was authorization …

    i suppose robbie hates trump so much that he and his dem friends do not care about civil liberties, but lots of older libs who remember the fbi under jfk, lbj and nixon will care

  434. lisab says:

    ban convenience stores from using bulletproof glass
    ———————————-
    two words

    steel plating

  435. Tina says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/john-solomon-lisa-bloom-client-begged-trump-job-sexual-assault-claims-resurfaced/

    One of three alleged sexual harassment claims against trump,

    This ine documents show that he refused to hire her as a make up consultant.

    The other 2I mentioned in the past are as follows

    1 because he did not go to the womans restaurant. Her cousin admits this,

    2 he asked dor a woman for hee ohone number in the 1980s and she gave it to him. Nothing happened ams they either spoke once or ddid not.

    All three are sexual harassment examples/s

  436. Tgca says:

    Ho hum dum dee dum dum

  437. Tgca says:

    459

    4+5 = 9
    4+5+9=18
    1+8=9

    It’s all about the 9’s

  438. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw – The bulletproof glass offends the locals. Seriously. Most of the stores are owned by Asians. The neighborhoods are mostly black and Hispanic. It is not a good mix.

  439. Cash Cow TM says:

    Nothing to report here.
    Except a stray cat seems to have taken up residence in the nether reaches under Walt’s back deck.
    #########################
    Let the arguing continue as to whether what Mueller did was legal or illegal.

    gotta run…Walt just made some popcorn and if I tarry, he will eat it all and I get nada.

  440. jason says:

    Mulehead?

    Tina still has it…

  441. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    460. “The neighborhoods are mostly black and Hispanic. It is not a good mix.”

    The U.S. Census Department recently released some average income & income growth statistics from 2002, for demographic groups. Here is the breakdown:

    Asian; Average Income $81,431; 16% increase
    Anglo; Average Income $65,041; 4% increase
    Hispanic; Average Income $47,675 8% increase
    Black; Average Income 39,490; increase 2%

    These are national numbers, but just a reflection of what they mean in California.

    In San Diego, a lot of Asians are in biotech and Asians overall vote Republican by the same percentage as Anglos. In the Bay Area, they reflect the existing tech support for the Democrats.

    The Hispanic average income is rising twice as fast as the Anglo, and the prediction is that it will equal the Anglo income within two decades. In California, Anglo and Hispanics marry at such a high level that it may be hard to make a distinction between Hispanic and non-Hispanic whites.

    Have heard a sub-group, African immigrants also has a fast rising average income, but cannot confirm it.

  442. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    December 18, 2017 at 11:06 pm
    mnw – The bulletproof glass offends the locals. Seriously.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    Being shot offends store clerks. Seriously!

  443. Redmen4ever says:

    Blacks falling behind: that was o.k. when Obama was President.

  444. Tina says:

    Lets see the latest drip, drip, drip from Muleheads investigation.

  445. mnw says:

    To me, the “anti-bulletproof glass” law in Philadelphia sounds like ethnic cleansing.

    If the Asian & Arab merchants don’t shut down their shops & leave the inner city neighborhoods, we’ll subject you to imminent risk of violent death.

    I don’t see “bulletproof glass offends the locals” v. “well-founded fear of murder” as being a very difficult choice.

    City of St. Louis has the same deal— AAs hate Arab food shops, but damn! banning bulletproof cashier’s cages? Really?

    I’m always amazed that AAs themselves don’t operate those stores, btw.

  446. Chicon says:

    468 – I wonder if these rules apply to banks?

  447. Tgca says:

    There are reports that the Trump will veto the tax bill.
    Traitor!
    We should have listened to the few wise folks here on HHR who warned of us of Trump all along.
    Trump can not be relied upon as a conservative. He is a Dem at heart and now we see his ultimate plan. His intent was to infiltrate and destroy the GOP from within.
    Massive electoral tsunami in 2018. Dems will pick up 150 seats in the House. Senate will follow in 2020. AL and MS will be in Dem control for decades to come.

    We should ave nominated Jeb or Rubio. What were we thinking. 🙁

  448. Tgca says:

    468

    Here s an opportunity for Trump to reach out to the AA community. He should bring in Al Sharption as a goodwill ambassador to unite the groups. After all, Al did a superb job of this in the 80s with the AA and Koreans in Harlem.

  449. Tgca says:

    464

    I’ve been disputing for years that the country will be divided by ethnic lines as the Latin population grows. It’s because people are inter- marrying at large numbers that blur those lines and dilute them over time so that the real division will continue to be economic. Unfortunately, the mostly white elite media have no clue of these things outside their social circle.

    I’m a prime example of this blending. I’m half Jersey white trash and half HOT Latino dude. I don’t see myself as having to pick a side. My politics are more driven by economics than skincolor.

  450. Tgca says:

    472

    I should say white non-Hispanic elite media since generally, Latinos are Caucasian as well.

  451. Tgca says:

    CNN

    Public opposition to tax bill grows
    Nearly 2/3 say the bill favors the wealthy

    Uh. I would venture 2/3 of Americans don’t know the details in the tax bill and their knowledge of the bill is based on headlines from the MSM, which of course, fairly represent the bill’s impact.

  452. mnw says:

    Investors Business Daily today has a nice editorial fisking legitimacy of “unpopular tax bill.”

  453. NYCmike says:

    “Public opposition to tax bill grows”

    -Pilots, wealthy money-managers, and blog psychiatrists everywhere are outraged!

  454. NYCmike says:

    https://nypost.com/2017/12/18/trumps-first-year-is-starting-to-look-like-a-big-win/

    -Lowry sees progress, yet also takes Trump to task. He could have shed more light on the powers that Congress has to write legislation, but maybe he didn’t want to get into a fight with the 1850’s.

  455. NYCmike says:

    http://victorygirlsblog.com/gentle-reminder-anyone-democrats-dont-like-unfit-office/

    -” I remember the proglodytes’ seizures at the thought of BushChimpyMcHitlerHalliburton “lying” to the American people about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and demands that he be “chimpeached.” I remember the vivid comparisons between President Bush and chimpanzees. I remember some lawyer named John Whitbeck publishing a screed in the Arab media, claiming Bush was either an idiot or a liar, and it didn’t matter which, because in either case Bush was unfit for office.”

    How quickly people like Robbie, MD, and “CG” forget…..

  456. CG says:

    I remember it was Donald Trump who joined the Democrats in saying that George W. Bush should be impeached.

    How quickly YOU forget.

  457. NYCmike says:

    “How quickly YOU forget.”

    -Didn’t forget it all.

    It just has no bearing on the fact that he is NOW the President.

    He was NOT my choice to be the nominee.

    BUT, against Hillary, he became the ONLY choice.

    And, so far, in terms of his Constitutionally-approved actions, it has worked out better than I thought.

    The next year may be less so, but that is where, I am sure, both of us can agree that a Republican Congress can shepherd him through with more conservative-type legislation………

  458. NYCmike says:

    The media HAS NOT CHANGED.

    The same way that Trump is unfit for office, so was Dubya and Reagan. The elder Bush they took a different tact, and it also produced dividends when he acted more like a Bush compared to acting like a Reagan.

  459. NYCmike says:

    https://twitchy.com/jacobb-38/2017/12/17/do-wut-dianne-feinsteins-latest-attack-on-the-gop-tax-bill-is-very-unusual/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget

    -Not sure who Binyamin Appelbaum is, and he does work for the NY Times, but I hope Robbie is re-tweeting him everywhere he can.

  460. NYCmike says:

    Using “CG” “logic”, I should be against Trump because he said bad things about Christie, Cruz, Rubio……did I miss anyone?

    BUT, I shouldn’t be against Hillary or Obama.

  461. CG says:

    You are just really, really dumb, aren’t you?

  462. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey – Trump sucks. He won. The real world is messy. Just for fun, why don’t you criticize a Democrat in just one post. How about a ratio of 9 anti-Trump to 1 anti-Democrat posts to get started?

  463. Bitterlaw says:

    As for those who suggested that the Asian store owners leave the inner-city, there is one problem. The rent on stores in the inner-city is really low compared to rent outside those areas. Also, the inner-city areas have almost no supermarkets so there is a customer base for those stores. Where I live, those Asian-owned stores would fail.

  464. CG says:

    If anyone wants to see me attack or criticize Democrats more, come over to the other blog where I post at that is populated with all Democrats. They all ask me to criticize Republicans more (putting aside my staunch opposition to Trump) and fault me for not doing it and I tell them they would be better off observing me post here more often since this is basically a Trump Echo Chamber.

    Something tells me that none of you all would want to be in the same “room” with each other though.

  465. Bitterlaw says:

    You must not read my ant-Trump posts. I have criticized this echo chamber for a year.

    How many personalities do you have, Corey? You can only be critical of Democrats on one blog and only be critical of Trump on this one?

  466. CG says:

    One “personality” that prefers not to have discussions with you. I say the same thing about all entities and politicians anywhere I would post. The point is that the only reason to even talk about politics these days is to tell the tribalists how much they suck and to point out their hypocrisy, etc.

    It only makes sense to do that to Democrat apologists where they congregate and to Trump apologists in a place like this.

  467. Bitterlaw says:

    Too bad, Corey. I’m one of the only people left here who actually respects you even when I disagree with you. Talk to the haters.

  468. Tgca says:

    483

    DiFi looked pretty clueless on that one. 6 of the named 7 counties are in pretty much high income liberal areas in Northern CA. Those markets are over valued to ensure those neighborhoods stay upper middle class income for the liberal elite that can afford it due to the proximity to Silicon Valley technology driving the northern CA economy. As someone who lived in that area for nearly 20 years, I assure you that the vast majority of families pulling in less than $100K annually do not have $750k+ mortgages.

  469. NYCmike says:

    “You are just really, really dumb, aren’t you?”

    -According to your “logic”…….I can live with that…..after all, we can’t all think that Trump was serious when he made the 5th Avenue comment.

  470. NYCmike says:

    I respect “CG”….he is easily the most sanctimonious character I have ever come across on the internet.

  471. Marco Rubio says:

    Fwiends, I am tho exthited about voting for these onthe in a lifetime tax cut! Thank you for your thupport. And on to thocial thecurity cuts next.

    With rethpect – Marco

  472. NYCmike says:

    Next foam party?

  473. NYCmike says:

    “If anyone wants to see me attack or criticize Democrats more, come over to the other blog where I post at that is populated with all Democrats.”

    -Did you mention where this is?

  474. hugh says:

    Saw the synopsis of the bill and I am not sure how this benefits the wealthy, unless you think C corporation business owners are going to take their tax savings and pay it to themselves in additional wages. Of course that make no sense, since their individual tax rate is much higher than the new corporate tax rate. I am at best a break even at the top rate. Many of business partners who live in higher tax states will pay higher taxes. This primarily benefits lower and lower middle class taxpayers and C corporations. The primary impact will be is corporate taxes.

  475. Wobbles says:

    Major tax overhaul today…zzzzz.

    Can we talk about Trump’s tweet about fake newswoman Mika?

  476. NYCmike says:

    http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/president-get-along-congress-2017-measured-using-tweets

    -“Trump, however, took stances on fewer bills than his immediate predecessors did.

    Excluding nominations, he’s made his position known on 39 votes, according to VoteWatch. Obama declared a position on 119 votes during his first year, and George W. Bush did the same for 77.

    Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress during Obama’s first year in office, while the chambers were split during part of Bush’s first year.”

  477. NYCmike says:

    I wonder what “CG” and Robbie thought about that Charles Cook piece, where Cooke used Jennifer Rubin’s own words to show how inconsistent (to put it mildly) she is in regards to Trump.

  478. NYCmike says:

    “One “personality” that prefers not to have discussions with you.”

    -Bitterlaw,

    Did you take his ball away one day on the playground?

  479. jason says:

    Corey’s problem is the same a Wobbie’s, still living in those 15 seconds of history where Jeb was the front runner shoo-in for the nomination.

    Pathetic.

  480. jason says:

    It’s not a coincidence that the two Jebbots are still refusing to accept the results of the election.

  481. NYCmike says:

    https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2017/12/19/dayum-juanita-broaddrick-busts-meryl-streep-for-her-flaming-hypocrisy/

    -Looks like Juanita has found her voice again……has Robbie or “CG” thanked Trump for assisting, at the least, those 4 women?

  482. NYCmike says:

    Oh jason, you are just a “TRUMP CHUMP”!

  483. jason says:

    Basically, it was Jeb or nothing for them.

    Once they got nothing, they wanted Hillary to win to punish Rs for not supporting their candidate.

    When they didn’t get Hillary, they decided they would join the MSM in blind hatred for Trump.

    Let’s face, neither of them can ever be accused of being deep thinkers.

  484. NYCmike says:

    “Let’s face, neither of them can ever be accused of being deep thinkers.”

    -More proof that jason considers me a “deep thinker”.

  485. jason says:

    Oh jason, you are just a “TRUMP CHUMP”!”

    Yep, because he has an “R” after his name, according to his favorite stupid pot.

    This despite the fact Wobbie could never find a post where I said Trump was a Republican.

    If I cared that Trump had an R after his name I would have voted for him.

  486. NYCmike says:

    He has adopted several of my positions……

  487. jason says:

    Let’s face, neither of them can ever be accused of being deep thinkers.”

    -More proof that jason considers me a “deep thinker”.

    Huh, no…

    But for different reasons.

  488. NYCmike says:

    “If I cared that Trump had an R after his name I would have voted for him.”

    -Yes, you did nothing to help defeat Hillary.

  489. jason says:

    He has adopted several of my positions……”

    I think we once agreed Katz has good corned beef sandwiches.

    But no, I don’t think “sending a message” suffices as a campaigns strategy.

  490. Tgca says:

    I resent the broad characterization that because someone defends Trump’s policy or basically agrees with his thought process, regardless of how he articulates them, that they are sycophants or ignorantly misled.

    I do not always agree with Trump and how he responds to other viewpoints but I do appreciate two things he has thus far done well, IMHO. 1st, mostly to date, he is supporting a conservative agenda. 2nd, he is not afraid to take on the MSM and libs who were used to bomb-throwing without any repercussions.

  491. jason says:

    -Yes, you did nothing to help defeat Hillary.”

    I did plenty to defeat Hillary.

    Nobody was more anti-Hillary than me. I made sure people understood that she was a rabid leftist hack and anyone underestimating the damage she would do to the country was an idiot.

    What I didn’t do was anything to elect Trump.

    Huge difference.

  492. jason says:

    But now that he is elected, I think supporting him on the part of his agenda I think will be good for the country makes sense to me.

    And I think the MSM’s war on him is unprecedented and disgusting, and even people who don’t like him should be appalled.

  493. Tgca says:

    Now that I have logically demonstrated in 517 I’m no Trump Chump, I do think it is time to recognize he is probably the greatest POTUS ever and that we need to include his likeness on Mt. Rushmore. That can be funded as part of the infrastructure bill that needs to be passed.

    I’m also thinking we change MLK day to Civil Rights and Diversity Inclusion (CRDI) Day in honor of Trump’s insight to see both sides. I wonder how libs would react to that proposal? Hmmm…

  494. NYCmike says:

    On that, jason, we find common ground.

    I am glad you came around to my way of thinking.

  495. NYCmike says:

    “I think we once agreed Katz has good corned beef sandwiches.”

    -Agreed on this for sure…..and since my company will be delivering to an adjacent condo development, I will be having more of those in the near future.

  496. NYCmike says:

    Good ideas, Tgca!

    🙂

  497. NYCmike says:

    Katz’s is one of the very few places where they own the building and land as well as the business…..they should stay in business for a long time.

  498. jason says:

    Yeah, and at 20 bucks a sandwich and lines out the door, I think they will be there for awhile.

  499. jason says:

    I am glad you came around to my way of thinking.”

    Exactly how did I “change my thinking”?

    Where did I lower it to your level? ?

  500. jason says:

    House vote on C-span now.

  501. NYCmike says:

    “Where did I lower it to your level?”

    -You dismounted from your “high horse”.

  502. NYCmike says:

    Robbie, MD and “CG” are still up in the thin air on the “moral high ground”…..the thin air is affecting their brains.

  503. jason says:

    I would put Reagan on Mt Rushmore, not Trump.

  504. Redmen4ever says:

    The tax bill increases the percentage of the federal income tax paid by the wealthy, but not by enough. Therefore, it benefits the rich.

  505. Bitterlaw says:

    -You dismounted from your “high horse”.

    Jason’s high horse has not been feeling well. The scrapple diet is apparently not good for horses.

  506. Redmen4ever says:

    I wouldn’t put Reagan on Trump either. Mt. Rushmore is a much more stable platform.

  507. Waingro says:

    Tax Bill passes House 227-203.

  508. NYCmike says:

    Newsbrief to my phone:

    “Breaking: the House passed their sweeping tax bill, which raises taxes on 53% of Americans by 2027.”

  509. Waingro says:

    Uh oh. This fraud is in trouble.

    Carla Marinucci?Verified account @cmarinucci
    3h3 hours ago

    Sen. Bob Corker (R., Tenn.) failed to properly disclose millions in income since 2007 http://www.wsj.com/articles/sen-bob-corker-failed-to-properly-disclose-millions-of-dollars-in-income-1450051046 … via @WSJ

  510. NYCmike says:

    Corker the Hero……..such a SHOCKING development!

  511. NYCmike says:

    Robbie to start speaking about rising tax rates in 2027 in 3……2…..1……

  512. NYCmike says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=157&v=y5PdMxPUxwQ

    -When they speak about “corporatism”, the words “Export-Import Bank” are in the background…..too bad that entity is still with us.

    http://conservative.org/acus-letter-against-re-authorization-of-ex-im-bank/

  513. Proud Obamacon says:

    So much trickle down , we’ll need umbrellas!

  514. mnw says:

    Waingro 536

    Thanks. That’’s significant.

    Wes

    This goes to our discussion about why Corker decide to leave. I think he realized the walls were closing in on him.

  515. mnw says:

    “Black Unemployment Rate Falls to Lowest Level in 17 Years”

    We’ll need umbrellas to protect us from your trickly bullzh*t.

  516. NYCmike says:

    I think Corker agreed with me on Ex-Im Bank….then again, maybe he knew the few Republicans, along with ALL of the Democrats, would continue that give-away to large, connected corporations.

  517. Robbie says:

    Have Trump’s lawyers filed suit today in court to stop Mueller from using the emails he obtained from the GSA? If not, what’s the holdup? I was assured on Saturday Mueller broke the law.

  518. Cash Cow TM says:

    Put Trump’s likeness on Mt. Rushmore?

    OK.
    Here is the choice of likeness to put up there

    (o) [butt hole]
    (l) [butt crack]

  519. CG says:

    How about we carve Trump into Yucca Mountain in Nevada where the nuclear waste is supposed to go?

  520. NYCmike says:

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/12/18/obamas-iran-deal-makes-trumps-russia-collusion-look-like-childs-play/

    -Has “CG” or Robbie mentioned Obama/Iran at all in the last 11 months?

    It’s almost as if they are consumed with one man, and the rest of the world has frozen in time.

  521. CG says:

    I have, you fool, even on here.

    Now, why do you keep dodging the question about statutory rape/age of consent?

  522. ssq says:

    I thought Rick was Carl’s father.

    “The father of “The Walking Dead” star Chandler Riggs, who plays Carl Grimes on the zombie drama, slammed AMC and the show’s writer/producer Scott M. Gimple for killing off his son’s character.”

  523. CG says:

    Sensible people, in both parties, are opposed to Obama’s horrible Iran deal and to Trump’s collusion with Russia.

  524. Wes says:

    Sensible people are also happy JEB! didn’t inherit the presidency as a hand-me-down from his brother. Corey and Robbie can’t understand that simple concept.

  525. jason says:

    Proud ObaCON how is your Marxist dream working out in Venezuela?

    Even the NYT might have enough of Hugo Chavez’s legacy.

    Of course, Proud ObamaCON will blame it on a right wing conspiracy…

    “Times reporters conducted a five-month investigation, interviewing medical staff at hospitals across Venezuela. The doctors they spoke with reported a heart-rending increase in malnutrition cases among their youngest patients:

    Parents … go days without eating, shriveling to the weight of children themselves. Women line up at sterilization clinics to avoid having children they can’t feed. Young boys leave home and join street gangs to scavenge for scraps, their bodies bearing the scars of knife fights with competitors. Crowds of adults storm dumpsters after restaurants close. Babies die because it is hard to find or afford infant formula, even in emergency rooms”

  526. CG says:

    Jeb Bush would have made a far better President than Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Ted Cruz and many others.

    Now, why won’t NYC state his belief on if statutory rape/age of consent laws should exist or not?

  527. jason says:

    “And to Trump’s collusion with Russia.”

    What collusion?

  528. Wes says:

    JEB! Bush would have been a disaster as President. He felt entitled to a job he didn’t earn. Everyone on Earth other than Robbie, Corey, and the Bushes is glad JEB! has no future in the Oval Office.

  529. CG says:

    What does Jeb Bush have to do with any of this? Lots of people supported him for President, but clearly not enough. I said he was the best candidate out of anyone who did run (Romney would have been my first choice) but never thought he was likely to be nominated.

    Wes has a long-standing irrational hatred of the Bush Family. What else is new?

  530. NYCmike says:

    “Now, why do you keep dodging the question about statutory rape/age of consent?”

    -Why don’t you tell me what my belief is? That way, I will know if you read the comments in the archives that I have already made.

    If you haven’t read them, go back and do so.

    Otherwise, GFY.

  531. Wes says:

    You and Robbie have never gotten over the fact that Trump mopped the floor with JEB!, Corey. He was one of the worst candidates to run and would never have beaten Hillary.

  532. jason says:

    Jeb Bush would have made a far better President”

    LOL

    Facts not in evidence.

    He was woefully unprepared for the campaign, had horrible advice and/or intuition, was terrible on the campaign, was destroyed in the debates, and never presented anybody when any reason to vote for him. Nada. Zilch.

    So the idea that he would have been a “good” President doesn’t have much basis, not to mention he was the wrong guy at the wrong time with the wrong message. And that Hillary would have kicked his ass.

    But keep on dreaming about Jeb while the rest of us move on in the real world.

  533. NYCmike says:

    “Sensible people, in both parties, are opposed to Obama’s horrible Iran deal and to Trump’s collusion with Russia.”

    -The “deal” that isn’t a treaty, and the “collusion” that exists in minds deformed by hatred.

  534. CG says:

    I don’t know what comments you have made before except that others accused you of having the belief that age of consent laws were wrong and that statutory rape should not be a crime. Is that your view or not? I have given you several opportunities to state so. It’s very simple to say what your position is.

    I do remember you have said that families should police that sort of thing.

  535. CG says:

    Jeb Bush was my preferred candidate for President but I always maintained that I liked others in the field and would have be happy to support those candidates. I would have even voted for candidates I did not like very much at all, such as Rand Paul, whom many others said they would not vote for, while Wes said he would vote for and donate to Hillary Clinton if Jeb Bush was her opponent, which leads him to have no credibility on this.

  536. NYCmike says:

    “I do remember you have said that families should police that sort of thing.”

    -If you remember such a comment, then find the other comments. It will be an interesting ride down memory lane.

  537. CG says:

    So what is it NYC?

    By refusing to answer, you seem to confirm the belief that others have held here that you do not believe age of consent or statutory rape laws should be on the books. I do not know how else to take it when you won’t give a simple answer.

    I wonder why that is? Should we call you Buttafuoco?

  538. Wes says:

    I absolutely would have voted for and donated to Hillary had JEB! been the GOP nominee, Corey. Keeping another Bush from failing in the White House was paramount in last year’s elections, and I’m glad Republicans voted in such a way I never had to support Hillary.

  539. CG says:

    BUT GORSUCH!!!

  540. jason says:

    “He felt entitled to a job he didn’t earn.”

    I don’t normally agree with anything Wes says about the Bush family, but that is right on the money.

    Jeb thought the primary season was a waste of time, he was going to be anointed as the nominee and he just moved on to the GE.

    What followed was the most spectacular debacle by a “front runner” in History.

  541. jason says:

    Jeb Bush was my preferred candidate for President but I always maintained that I liked others in the field”

    Bald faced lie.

    You attacked EVERY other candidate in the field for months.

    You really are a pathological liar.

  542. CG says:

    go shoot another dog Jason.

  543. NYCmike says:

    “By refusing to answer, you seem to confirm the belief”

    -Believe what you want.

    If you are so sure of yourself, or that what “others” have said is so true, then so be it.

    I know what I stated, and I know what I believe, and there is no need to speak about it at this time.

  544. CG says:

    It’s very simple to say that statutory rape is a crime and offenders should be prosecuted. It’s not really a controversial position, except maybe to people who might be registered sex offenders.

  545. CG says:

    Does the Fifth Amendment hold on up on HHR?

  546. jason says:

    BUT GORSUCH!!!”

    Yeah, Gorsuch was BIG. If Hillary had won we would have a liberal SCOTUS that would give Dems everything they wanted for decades.

    But there is more than GORSUCH.

    We have TAX REFORM

    We have repeal of the OBAMACARE MANDATE.

    We have DEREGULATION throughout the government.

    We have CONSERVATIVE JUDGES throughout the Federal Judiciary.

    We have drilling in ANWR and other steps for DOMESTIC ENERGY PRODUCTION.

  547. Chicon says:

    Troll alert.

  548. Wes says:

    I know what I stated, and I know what I believe

    How exactly is saying God intends pregnancy from rape not a misogynist statement, Mikey? You have stated before it was not and defended the creep who made that moronic declaration.

  549. Redmen4ever says:

    With the following phrase, Jeb Bush might have been elected President.

    I love my brother but …

  550. NYCmike says:

    Both “CG” and Wes appear to have read what I have written on 2 separate issues.

    Good.

  551. NYCmike says:

    “I love my brother but …”

    -Disagree.

    Such disloyalty, and dishonesty, would have totally turned me off.

    JEB!2016 should have stuck with his initial plan, was that he was NOT going to run.

  552. CG says:

    Why can’t you answer the question about statutory rape? This is really eye-opening.

    Well, I guess you won’t ever have to worry about job applications/background checks in any regard.

  553. Wes says:

    Mikey still hasn’t told me how saying God intends pregnancy from rape isn’t a misogynist position to take.

  554. NYCmike says:

    You already answered it for me, “CG”.

    I’ll take that as you looking in the archives, even though you did not copy-and-paste my comments.

  555. NYCmike says:

    No, it isn’t, Wes.

  556. NYCmike says:

    “Well, I guess you won’t ever have to worry about job applications/background checks in any regard.”

    -This is another one of those statements that you would only make while on the internet.

    Keep up the good work.

  557. Wes says:

    Well, tell that, to the majority of Indianans who voted against Dick the Misogynist Bastard Mourdock in 2012, Mikey. I’ll send flowers when you’re in the hospital having your jaw reconstructed.

  558. CG says:

    In the old days, it would be easy to find a relevant discussion in the archives, but it’s impossible now, without knowing the date it occurred.

    I just remember that others here were criticizing you for being opposed to age of consent laws, and since you are so historically disliked here, I figured that maybe they were being unfair to you or have distorted your position as often gets done (and you have certainly joined in that trend.)

    Since you can’t answer the question though, it speaks very loudly that they were right.

  559. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    What the heck are you blabbering on and on about?

    The internet tough guy thing seems to be spreading.

    Go massage some Steelers.

  560. CG says:

    massage therapists have to go through background checks to make sure they aren’t sex offenders. Or if not, they should.

  561. NYCmike says:

    Ok.

    Good.

    What other positions have I taken of which you can inform me of?

  562. NYCmike says:

    ” I’ll send flowers when you’re in the hospital having your jaw reconstructed.”

    -I don’t even think MD went so far as threatening someone with bodily harm.

    Wes, are you drinking today?

  563. Wes says:

    You knew I had to pile on when Corey went after you about the statutory rape thing, Mikey. Of course since I personally have engaged you for defending the Indiana creep, I have a bit more standing to go after you than Corey, who’s going off hearsay.

  564. CG says:

    Jul challenged people to duels. That might not ever be matched. (He would probably be man enough to try defend an alternative position on age of consent laws.)

  565. jason says:

    “go shoot another dog Jason”

    Corey admits Jeb was a dog of a candidate.

    Small breakthroughs like this are very important for psychologically damaged people.

  566. Wes says:

    I didn’t threaten you at all, Mikey. I told you to go to Indiana to defend what Mourdock said. I figured you, being you, would mouth off to the wrong person and get your jaw shattered for it if you did go to Hoosierland to say believing God wants rape to result in pregnancy is all right.

  567. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    Are age of consent laws uniform throughout the states?

  568. CG says:

    Hearsay can be ended very easily by saying that Statutory Rape should be a prosecutable offense. Silly me, I thought that was something that every single person here, for all our disagreements, might have agreed on (except for maybe bunu) but that does not seem to be the case.

  569. Wes says:

    He would probably be man enough to try defend an alternative position on age of consent laws.

    I have to admit I laughed when I saw this.

  570. CG says:

    States have different ages, but most are the same. Should an age exist in any of them?

  571. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    Are you saying that someone would hit me because I defend the right for Dick Mourdock to believe something different than other people, while never harming the other people at all?

    I may have to look into this……a broken jaw might be worth a nice court settlement.

  572. jason says:

    NYC did say that being critical of statutory rape was detrimental to Republicans in elections.

    I forget the exact words but basically he said it was a case of “personal discretion” rather than something criminal.

  573. Wes says:

    I’m saying your abrasive personality would probably led to it, Mikey.

  574. Trump says:

    “Robbie says:
    December 19, 2017 at 3:52 pm

    Have Trump’s lawyers filed suit today in court to stop Mueller from using the emails he obtained from the GSA? If not, what’s the holdup? I was assured on Saturday Mueller broke the law.

    This is why I come to HHR, to check out how the stupidest think. (Yes, bitter, stupidest is a word.)

    Retarded Robbie, has it occurred to you that there is nothing to file a lawsuit about, UNTIL Mueller actually use the emails collected?

    Has Mueller used anything he has gotten from the emails, dumb as@wipe?

  575. jason says:

    “I defend the right for Dick Mourdock to believe something different than other people,”

    I don’t know anybody here that doesn’t defend the right to think differently than other people.

    I defend you right to defend statutory rape. But I wouldn’t recommend you for the senate.

  576. NYCmike says:

    “States have different ages,”

    -Good.

    Now, maybe, you see that a difference of opinion could arise.

    Check out the archives. It is all there.

    Also, you can search this question: is it wise for a person attempting to become a United States Senator to make changing their states’ age-of-consent laws a main campaign issue?

    The archives will have the answer to this as well.

    Thanks.

  577. CG says:

    NYC, just man up and defend your position then instead of trying to dance around it.

  578. Trump says:

    “But there is more than GORSUCH.

    We have TAX REFORM

    We have repeal of the OBAMACARE MANDATE.

    We have DEREGULATION throughout the government.

    We have CONSERVATIVE JUDGES throughout the Federal Judiciary.

    We have drilling in ANWR and other steps for DOMESTIC ENERGY PRODUCTION.”

    And the right morons are triggered on a daily basis. Who could ask for anything more?

    Who is tired of winning?

    Trump was wrong when he said that we’d get tired of winning.

  579. CG says:

    You can no longer search the archives via Google. It used to be easy to do but cannot be done now.

    So screw the archives, just state what your position is here and there won’t be any confusion.

  580. Waingro says:

    Josh Kraushaar?Verified account @HotlineJosh
    2m2 minutes ago

    2020 preview! NBC/WSJ tests Trump vs. generic Dem…
    Generic D 52, Trump 36.
    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/17505%20NBCWSJ%20December%20Poll.pdf

  581. NYCmike says:

    “I forget the exact words but basically he said it was a case of “personal discretion” rather than something criminal.”

    -jason,

    This had to do specifically with a state, I think New Hampshire, where the age of consent was lower than other states.

  582. CG says:

    I looked it up and the age of consent in NY is 16, which I think is a year younger than most states.

    What should the age be in NY, NYC? I’d want it changed to 17 (or 18) if I lived there.

  583. NYCmike says:

    “So screw the archives, just state what your position is here and there won’t be any confusion.”

    -For you?

    I’d rather you make cr*p up…..you are good at it.

  584. CG says:

    Age of consent in NH is 16, same as NY.

    Too young? Too old? what’s the issue?

  585. Trump says:

    Which idiot still thinks that Jeb! was a “good” candidate?

    3 delegates for $150m, in GOP primary.

  586. NYCmike says:

    I have no issue. You brought it up, for some reason.

    I haven’t spoken about the age of consent since those conversations years ago.

    Do you have a point to make?

  587. CG says:

    “personal discretion” sounds a lot like the more recent, “let the families” deal with it or “in my family this would not have happened to any female.” (paraphrasing)

  588. NYCmike says:

    “sounds a lot like”

    -Good.

    Is that your verdict? Run with it.

  589. NYCmike says:

    That’s a pretty big stretch, “CG”.

    I’ll continue to enjoy your story-telling.

  590. jason says:

    Mourdock was a moron deadender whose stupidity caught up to him, just a question of when. If it wasn’t the rape thing it would have been something else. At the time I think I said I could see a rationale for what he said, but did not excuse the stupidity of saying it before an election.

    Same with the other moron deadenders NYC defends here like Akin, Buck, Angle, COD, Miller, McDaniel, Moore, etc.

  591. Paul says:

    Cruz says he’s voting against the new version.

  592. jason says:

    Luckily for Trump, there is no such thing as a “generic” Dem.

    As soon as one is named, those numbers drop because some of the Indies at least will reject him/her.

  593. jason says:

    Cruz says he’s voting against the new version.”

    The king of grandstanding deadenders.

  594. NYCmike says:

    “but did not excuse the stupidity of saying it before an election.”

    -I never excused the stupidity of saying it when he did. It was the reason he lost.

    I also have said that it is NOT a misogynistic statement.

  595. CG says:

    How come you are ok in defending your statements and views on Mourdock but are punting on your views on age of consent/statutory rape?

  596. NYCmike says:

    Do they need Cruz’s vote?

  597. Waingro says:


    Paul says:
    December 19, 2017 at 5:52 pm

    Cruz says he’s voting against the new version.”

    Link?? I’m not seeing this anywhere on Twitter etc.

  598. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    The answers are there for you.

    I have no idea why you brought this issue up. Am I trying to change the laws on the books? Have I made any comments about their legality, their usefulness, their place in society?

    They are what they are. You can go ahead and make up any story you like.

    You make up a lot of cr*p, why stop now.

  599. NYCmike says:

    The 529 issue was something that Cruz wanted, I have read that.

  600. Paul says:

    Naw. I was just kidding. But it does sound like Cruz, doesn’t it.

  601. Waingro says:

    Yeah, I call BS on Cruz being a “no” vote right now.

  602. NYCmike says:

    Ok.

    Put “Paul” back in the “Don’t Trust, Must Verify” column.

  603. Waingro says:

    #631, heh.

  604. NYCmike says:

    “But it does sound like Cruz, doesn’t it.”

    -Ok, this part could have been true.

  605. Tgca says:

    540 Obamaclown

    Yes! Exactly. Trickle down economics usually works, except in the case of Obamacare where the “trickle down” effect of having all those people enroll in the exchanges would bring down healthcare costs and let you keep your doctor too. That trickle down effect Obama promise failed. It happens.

  606. Paul says:

    ACA has worked pretty well as far as I’m concerned.

  607. Paul says:

    Removing the mandate will increase insurance rates for everyone however.

  608. Waingro says:

    It’s in the bill.

    Ted Cruz?Verified account @tedcruz
    1m1 minute ago

    Glad to see my amendment expanding 529 college savings plans to K-12 education is included in tax reform bill. I urge all my colleagues to vote tonight to ensure ALL children have this opportunity. The fed govt should not discriminate against families who choose to homeschool.

  609. Trump says:

    ACA works for deadbeats.

  610. Trump says:

    I happened to review my investment portfolio last night.

    Up 27.2% since Jan 1, 2017.

    Trump can shoot anyone he likes on 5th Avenue.

  611. Cash Cow TM says:

    “screw the archives”

    witch scarves here

  612. Trump says:

    “MUELLER MAY TAKE ‘AT LEAST’ ANOTHER YEAR…”

    Sure, why not?

    Taxpayers are giving him a blank check to pay his buddies, cronies and other Hillary hold-outs.

  613. Cash Cow TM says:

    “statutory rape”

    our party state
    state our party
    Tau party store

  614. Cash Cow TM says:

    What if DJ Trump shoots Mueller on 5th Avenue?

  615. Tina says:

    Ted lieu wqs shook by sarah sanders

    Sarah Sanders
    Sarah Sanders
    @PressSec
    ·
    3h
    Dear @tedlieu – I don’t serve in Congress, but I can read. If you had read the story, not an incorrect tweet, you would see that what I said was Dems should be begging to help Americans keep more of their money. You should spend less time tweeting, more time doing your job. (link: https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/943196180716183553) twitter.com/tedlieu/status…

  616. Tina says:

    Yeah, after all insurance plans have nit increased since 2011

    Gold plan, ca 2100o

    Deductible 8000

  617. Tina says:

    Everybody knew that corker was crooked.

  618. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 19, 2017 at 4:42 pm
    You and Robbie have never gotten over the fact that Trump mopped the floor with JEB!, Corey. He was one of the worst candidates to run and would never have beaten Hillary.

    – Wrong. My intense dislike of Trump has nothing to do with Jeb. Jeb ran an awful campaign and I said so by September 2015.

    My intense dislike of Trump is due solely to the personal actions of Trump. Nothing more. I was strongly opposed to his candidacy from day 1.

  619. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    December 19, 2017 at 4:43 pm
    Jeb Bush would have made a far better President”
    LOL
    Facts not in evidence.

    – Yet you’ll argue with no facts in evidence that Rubio would have been a far better president (a sentiment which I agree by the way).

  620. Tina says:

    Mueller’s staff could easily have contacted President Trump’s legal team and/or TFA and explained what categories of documents it wanted to examine. In all probability, Trump and TFA lawyers would have conceded that there were documents Mueller was entitled to review, but would have held back a great deal of material as arguably privileged. Then, as in the normal course, if the prosecutor wanted to press the issue, Mueller could have issued a grand-jury subpoena and the two sides could have hashed out their differences, with the intervention of the judge supervising the grand jury — a judge who, as we’ve previously pointed out, seems highly sympathetic to the investigation of Trump’s campaign.

    Andy mccarthy, from chicons link.

    Not sure if mulehead even kniws what transpired, until now.

  621. Tina says:

    I can give trump a 8.5out of 10 for a grade.

    If he ends daca and the 27 billion waste.

    Ends h1 visa.

    Ends chain migration.

    I can overlook the slowness on the wall.

  622. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    December 19, 2017 at 4:51 pm
    Jeb Bush was my preferred candidate for President but I always maintained that I liked others in the field”
    Bald faced lie.
    You attacked EVERY other candidate in the field for months.
    You really are a pathological liar.

    – Jason the fraud who bashed Trump every day of the campaign and now slurps him calls some pathological.

  623. Tina says:

    Flub had a glass jaw. One punch is all it took. Fatso went down.

  624. Tina says:

    Looks like oer the ig, pete the cheat and the mistress are facing hatch act violations.

    Immediate firing.

  625. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    December 19, 2017 at 4:56 pm
    BUT GORSUCH!!!”
    Yeah, Gorsuch was BIG. If Hillary had won we would have a liberal SCOTUS that would give Dems everything they wanted for decades.
    But there is more than GORSUCH.
    We have TAX REFORM
    We have repeal of the OBAMACARE MANDATE.
    We have DEREGULATION throughout the government.
    We have CONSERVATIVE JUDGES throughout the Federal Judiciary.
    We have drilling in ANWR and other steps for DOMESTIC ENERGY PRODUCTION.

    – All very fair points. Now tell Donnie dingbat to talk about them rather than rage tweet about Don Lemon or Mika’s facelift.

  626. Tina says:

    Sarah sanders destroys ted liiar.

    Liar lieu deleted his tweet.

    She is one tough amiga.

  627. Tina says:

    Hey liar lieu, why did tou delete tour tweet?

  628. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 19, 2017 at 5:07 pm
    https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/12/19/muellers-scorched-earth-tactics-throwing-trump-briar-patch/
    Robbie won’t read this…..

    – Read it. Trump may be in his briar patch, but none of this changes Mueller or the investigation. It will go where it goes. If more charges are filed, none of these controversies will matter with those outside of the FoxNews viewership.

    By the way, whatever happened to the MASSIVE issues about Uranium One that was going to discredit Mueller?

  629. Tina says:

    “I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way [Trump] gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40,” reads the Aug. 15, 2016 text message. […]

    “He’s in the middle of major investigations,” he said of Strzok, adding, “Thank God he’s gone, but I want to know how the hell he got there in the first place.”

    I guess priestaps spin did not work.

  630. Tina says:

    The awan bros had access to congressional it matters while they were in pakistan.

    Anither yuge scandal

  631. Robbie says:

    I love that Governor Cornpone’s daughter had the told someone to spend less time on Twitter when her boss spends plenty of his time rage tweeting about things he’s seen on CNN.

  632. Robbie says:

    I guess when the Trumpers threw Uranium One against the wall and saw it didn’t stick, they just decided to move on to something else. That will be what happens with the transition emails. No one will care because no law was broken and the Trumpers will have to search for another FoxNews aided controversy that goes nowhere.

  633. Tina says:

    No daca vote this year. Drats will, ot shut the gubment down to force a vote,

    No daca vote next year either.

  634. Robbie says:

    Trump says:
    December 19, 2017 at 5:32 pm
    “Robbie says:
    December 19, 2017 at 3:52 pm
    Have Trump’s lawyers filed suit today in court to stop Mueller from using the emails he obtained from the GSA? If not, what’s the holdup? I was assured on Saturday Mueller broke the law.
    This is why I come to HHR, to check out how the stupidest think. (Yes, bitter, stupidest is a word.)
    Retarded Robbie, has it occurred to you that there is nothing to file a lawsuit about, UNTIL Mueller actually use the emails collected?
    Has Mueller used anything he has gotten from the emails, dumb as@wipe?

    – I was assured here on Saturday it was a crime the way Mueller got the emails. If it was a crime, then why not lawsuit? Trump loves to sue.(Hint: it’s no crime)

  635. Tina says:

    Evan McMullin
    Evan McMullin
    @Evan_McMullin
    For me, “conservatism” has always meant the defense of our founding principles: liberty and equality. While those now aligned with contrary ideas may ultimately succeed in claiming the word for themselves, those principles remain right and I will ever associate myself with them.

    Yeah, he is a real conservative.

  636. Cash Cow TM says:

    Who else thinks he is autistic?

    Do some autistic people use a lot of hand gestures when they talk?

  637. Tina says:

    Mayhem Failure had this person on her show with no ratings

    https://lidblog.com/trump-accuser-jill-harth/

  638. Tina says:

    House IT aides ran a car dealership called CIA that took $ from Hezbollah-linked fugitive, had fake staff, borrowed cars to sell if anyone showed up, & had no real financial records. Filed bankruptcy, then created other car co’s that don’t seem to exist.

    Not good.

  639. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    A story in the @washingtonpost that I was close to “rescinding” the nomination of Justice Gorsuch prior to confirmation is FAKE NEWS. I never even wavered and am very proud of him and the job he is doing as a Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. The unnamed sources don’t exist!
    7:07 AM · Dec 19, 2017

    Wp gets another story wrong with its sources.

  640. Tina says:

    Larry Schweikart
    @LarrySchweikart
    So they had a Cankles Hall of Presidents animatronic ready to go.

    When it screeched, Big Thunder Mountain shut down and the glass on the Monorail shattered.

    None of the dolphins at nearby Sea World could find their way around the tank!
    3:48 PM – Dec 19, 2017

  641. Phil says:

    McMullin really thinks anyone gives a damn what he thinks?

    Sorry, Evan. Nobody ever did.

  642. Bitterlaw says:

    Do some autistic people use a lot of hand gestures when they talk?

    Maybe he is secretly Italian.

  643. Proud Obamacon says:

    Did yall pass the Trickle Down bill yet? Hurry the fukk up LOLLLLLL Pass the bill with 26% approval.

    Worst.Administration.Evahhhhh

  644. Proud Obamacon says:

    “We have TAX REFORM

    We have repeal of the OBAMACARE MANDATE.

    ……………………..”

    Yes and thanks to all that, you forgot what else we have.

    We Have the most enthused and energized Democratic electorate evahhhhh!! THANKS FOR THAT!

    NOT.MY.PRESIDENT

  645. Tina says:

    Therefore, in order to understand GSA’s response to the Special Counsel’s request for TFA’s private records, I respectfully request that you please provide the following information:

    1. A description of steps taken by GSA to determine the appropriateness of providing privileged TFA documents to the Special Counsel’s Office, including the identity of the GSA staff member who authorized the production of TFA documents to the Special Counsel’s Office, and the identity of the GSA staff member designated as the Federal Transition Coordinator;

    2. A copy of the Memorandum of Understanding to which TFA and GSA entered to guide the transition process from the Obama Administration to the Trump Administration;

    3. Any training or guidance provided to GSA and career staff assisting presidential transition teams on the private nature of transition team’s records and the legal protections of these private materials;

    4. All documents and communications between or among GSA, the Department of Justice, and the Special Counsel’s Office, referring or relating to the production of records generated during the presidential transition for President-elect Donald J. Trump;

    5. All documents and communications between or among GSA and TFA referring or relating to the production of records generated during the presidential transition for President-elect Donald J. Trump; and

    6. All documents and communications between GSA employees or contractors referring or relating to the production of records generated during the presidential transition for President-elect Donald J. Trump.

    Please provide the requested information no later than 5:00 p.m. on Tuesday, January 2, 2018. Thank you for your attention to this important matter.

  646. Tina says:

    The rs are getting good. Burr can be better though.

    The rs are counterpunching well and landing.

  647. jason says:

    We Have the most enthused and energized Democratic electorate evahhhhh!!”

    Zzzzzzzz…..

    We heard you were VERY energized against Trump too…

    How did that work out for you?

    PS: how is your Marxist dream working out in Venezuela?

  648. jason says:

    eah, Gorsuch was BIG. If Hillary had won we would have a liberal SCOTUS that would give Dems everything they wanted for decades.
    But there is more than GORSUCH.
    We have TAX REFORM
    We have repeal of the OBAMACARE MANDATE.
    We have DEREGULATION throughout the government.
    We have CONSERVATIVE JUDGES throughout the Federal Judiciary.
    We have drilling in ANWR and other steps for DOMESTIC ENERGY PRODUCTION.

    – All very fair points. Now tell Donnie dingbat to talk about them rather than rage tweet about Don Lemon or Mika’s facelift.”

    Nah, I prefer to tell Wobbie to focus on the forest, not the little bird tweets.

    Mika’s face is only important to the MSM fake news hacks… and you.

  649. mnw says:

    Trump 641

    Nice shooting. Congratulations.

    Behold the wonders of free market capitalism!

    One of the trolls, “Paul,” posts that his “ACA (Obamacare) is working” fine.

    Trolls:

    Get a real job & maybe SOME day, you’ll have more than a cheapadz lousy fifth-rate welfare health insurance policy. And you can free up your parents’ basement too,

  650. jason says:

    Worst.Administration.Evahhhhh”

    Obama’s 8 years of failure in both domestic and foreign policy?

    Well, there was Jimmy Carter’s 4 year term….

    But you are right, Obama’s 8 years were a fiasco.

  651. Proud Obamacon says:

    “We heard you were VERY energized against Trump too…”

    Where did you hear that? In your wet dreams? LOL 2016 was the bottom. Very little enthusiasm. And we still got 3 milion more votes. Sucks to be a Repug these days … LOL

  652. jason says:

    ACA (Obamacare) is working”

    Yes, absolutely.

    No, “you can keep your own doctor” was complete BS.

    No, premiums didn’t go down, they are going up by leaps and bounds.

    Yes, it watered down the quality and option for the 85% of Americans that were happy with their insurance.

    Yes, providers are dropping out consistently so that many areas don’t even have competition or even coverage.

    It’s really “working well”.

  653. Proud Obamacon says:

    Yall own healthcare, yall own taxes. Yall really want ownership of the economy? Yall got it!!

    Yall now own the rising healthcare rates. Yall now own any downturn and any recession. It’s all y’alls LOL.. enjoy.

    Yall still will figure out a way to blame Obama.. loooosahs

    Worst.Admin.Evahhh

  654. jason says:

    Where did you hear that?”

    The MSM (the same MSM that claims Dems are “energized” now) told us…

    “Tens of thousands packed into Independence Mall on Monday night to hear Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton — and her celebrity surrogates — make her final pitch to voters in advance of Tuesday’s general election.

    Supporters began lining up before noon Monday, and by 7 p.m. the crowd had stretched about 1 ½ miles to 11th and Washington.”

    Introduced by Obama and Michelle….

    Didn’t even carry PA.

  655. Bitterlaw says:

    My insurance makes me fill prescriptions for 3 months at one time. If the zombies are going to attack, this would a good time. I am stocked up on insulin.

  656. Tgca says:

    688

    That’s not fair Bitter. Why can’t I get 3 months worth of my opioids? I could go on an awesome shopping spree if I converted the pills to street value.

  657. Proud Obamacon says:

    Maybe you missed the special elections, you know actual data. All showing huge shifts towards the good guys. Maybe you missed the advantage we hae in the generic ballot. Maybe you missed the approval ratings of your hero heading towards the 20s. LOL

    Yah, go back into your bubble where The Groper is the greatest president ever! LOL

  658. jason says:

    Zzzzz… did you miss the 5 special elections before that one, where the Dems spent tens of millions on turkeys like Ossoff and came up with nothing?

    “The Groper”? Bill Clinton? How about rapist?

    How is your Marxist dream in Venezuela coming along?

  659. jason says:

    Yall now own the rising healthcare rates. Yall now own any downturn and any recession.”

    Does that mean you own Obama’s economic disaster, worst “recovery” in History?

    Record number of people on food stamps? Lowest labor participation in decades? Stagnant wages?

    Congratulations, most of your fellow Marxists are trying to pretend it didn’t happen.

  660. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca- You can buy all the drugs you need in Philadelphia. I will give you needles – only used once and I’m clean.

  661. jason says:

    all now own the rising healthcare rates.”

    Fine, I presume you are blaming Obama for the rising rates while he was President?

    The truth will set you free…

  662. mnw says:

    jason 685, 687

    Very well said.

  663. jason says:

    aybe you missed the special elections, you know actual data.”

    Hmmmm…

    You mean elections in GA, MT, SC, KS?

    Did you win any of them?

    Yeah, you barely beat the scumbag in AL who not even I would vote for by 1%. Congratulations.

  664. Bitterlaw says:

    Where is Corey? I need him to diagnose my issues.

  665. jason says:

    Yah, go back into your bubble where The Groper is the greatest president ever! LOL”

    The greatest President ever IMO was named Abraham Lincoln.

    The greatest President in my lifetime was Ronald Reagan.

    And I wake up every morning and give thanks that Hillary is not President.

    Your are wasting time. You could be in Caracas demonstrating for the ghost of Hugo Chavez.

  666. Tina says:

    Her thighness is not cackling and coughing eveywhere.

  667. jason says:

    I hope this happens. Since the Dems don’t have Roy Moore to run against, if this issue is off the table the only thing they will have is Russia collusion.

    “Top senators and White House officials are laying the groundwork for a major immigration deal in January to resolve the fate of young undocumented immigrants whose legal protections were put in limbo by President Donald Trump.

    At a Tuesday afternoon meeting with nearly a dozen senators deeply involved in immigration policy, White House chief of staff John Kelly pledged that the administration will soon present a list of border security and other policy changes it wants as part of a broader deal on so-called Dreamers, according to people who attended the meeting. The plan could come in a matter of days, senators said.

    About a half-dozen senators have been negotiating a bipartisan package prompted by Trump’s decision to kill the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, an Obama-era executive action that granted work permits to nearly 800,000 undocumented immigrants who came here as minors. Yet the senators could not fully flesh out a deal before they knew what Trump was willing to sign.”

  668. jason says:

    Where is Corey? I need him to diagnose my issues.”

    You are an A-hole.

    Deal with it.

  669. mnw says:

    I’d trade DACA in a heartbeat for meaningful restrictions on chain migration.

    If the DEMs don’t re-take the House? The price goes up: DACA for an end to chain migration AND E-Verify.

    I’ve always regarded E-Verify as the Holy Grail/Rosetta Stone of immigration reform.

  670. Proud Obamacon says:

    Ha, Jason is such a moron. Complains about the labor participation rate under Obama when the rate now is even lower under his Orange Sex Fantasy. Is lower better? LOL .. logic + rethug = DOES NOT COMPUTE!

  671. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason the looosah complains that the recovery under Obama was too slow. Fails to realize that he inherited the worst economic disaster perpetrated by his friends, the Rethugs, and the object of his nightly jerk, George W Bush.

    Despite all that, the economy was turned around quickly, DOW triples, and unemployment below 5% – But of course Jason though the numbers were fake under Obama and are now suddenly real! What happens when the market corrects and unemployment goes up. The numbers will be fake again? Or it will be Obama’s fault

    In the meantime, the Orange Butthole drip drip drips into the 20’s for approval rating and Jason decides this is great news! LOL put down the bong bro!

  672. jason says:

    Complains about the labor participation rate under Obama”

    Yeah, Obama drove millions away from the workforce because they couldn’t find jobs, it’s not a surprise labor participation is still low.

    There just weren’t enough governments jobs, I guess.

  673. jason says:

    ails to realize that he inherited the worst economic disaster”

    He had eight years. Did nothing except advance his socialist objective of making more people dependent on the government.

    A complete failure.

  674. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason the moron is outraged that the labor participation rate goes down under Obama. It continues going down under his Orange Sex Fantasy, and now it’s great news.

    That is Rethuh Logic . . . LOL

  675. jason says:

    Poor ObamaCON is completely brainwashed by his Marxist ideology.

    But fear not, in 2018 the dictatorship of the proletariat might finally happen.

    Or not.

  676. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw – I think the employers who hire illegals are actually worse than the illegals. For the most part, the illegals want a better life. The employers want cheap labor and screw over American workers in the process.

  677. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Did nothing except advance his socialist objective of making more people dependent on the government.”

    Jason the LOOSAH forgets that the market tripled and unemployment went under 5% and the number of uninsured was the lowest ever in history. He can’t get past the D next to Obama’s name. Sad!

  678. Tina says:

    Daca for end chain migration, e verify, and the wall.

  679. jason says:

    Rethug”

    That is supposed to be clever in the moonbat world.

  680. jason says:

    orgets that the market tripled”

    Ahhh, so now you give Trump credit for 5000 pts on the DOW?

    Hallelujah, Proud ObamaCON might be sent to a re-education camp.

  681. jason says:

    Or it will be Obama’s fault”

    Ahhh, but it was ok to blame Bush for 8 years….

    LOL

  682. Bitterlaw says:

    The actress who was the voice of Daphne in Scooby Doo cartoons died. Damn.

  683. Proud Obamacon says:

    Naw. I will give Trump credit once his policies are factored in. So far, it’s largely Obama’s market with some deregulation yada yada.

    And do you give Obama credit for tripling the market? Didn’t think so

    Hypocrite much? LOL

  684. jason says:

    Poor moonbat wants to have it both ways.

    Obama was the world’s crappiest President because it was Bush’s fault.

    Now, if Trump is successful, its because of Obama.

    If he is not, it’s his fault.

    I love moonbat moron logic.

  685. Proud Obamacon says:

    Was it ok to blame Bush for 8 years?

  686. Proud Obamacon says:

    As long as yall don’t pass nuthing, it continues to be Obama’s economy. Now that yall passed the Trickle Down Scam, yall got the economy.

    Ya gotta pass something to own it, can’t just ride your predecessor’s glory forever as much as your Orange Hero wants to.

    Yall own this .. and yall don’t really want it.. Enjoy.. So about that labor participation rate. Still outraged? Or is it all good now? lol

  687. Proud Obamacon says:

    Rethug logic:
    Obama blames Bush for legitimately being an incompetent fool and leaving him the worst economy in a hundred years – OUTRAGE BY RETHUGS

    Orange Groper blames Obama – YEAH ITS ALL GOOD!

    IQ is not your strong point now is it.

  688. Proud Obamacon says:

    Economy is great, yet your hero’s approvals are heading into the 20’s, yall losing the generic ballot by double digits.

    Yall better hope that there is no recession or even a correction – Blue wave will become a Blue tsunami the likes yall never seen before.

    Sucks to be a Rethug these days ….

    LOL

  689. Bitterlaw says:

    Rethug was already a tired term 20 years ago.

  690. jason says:

    And do you give Obama credit for tripling the market”

    None.

    His administration was anti-business, the market went up despite his policies, just like domestic energy production went up despite his opposition to fossil fuels.

    The market knew the Republican congress was not going to allow full implementation of his anti-business agenda, but he still did plenty of damage with regulatory excesses and other idiocies.

  691. Proud Obamacon says:

    Aight, then we’ll go back to Wingnut. Yall happy now, Wingnuts?

  692. jason says:

    Rethug was already a tired term 20 years ago.”

    That’s not a long time for someone like ObamCON who is still living in the days of his beloved USSR.

  693. jason says:

    Aight, then we’ll go back to Wingnut.”

    So brilliant!

  694. Proud Obamacon says:

    Not surprisingly, Jason conveniently forgets that the market doubled under Obama and a DEM Congress and a DEM House during 2009-10 and actually slowed down once the Wingnuts took the House in 2010.

    Facts are a stubborn thing, sad for Jason.

    Jason just making stuff up. Very Sad!

  695. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wasted enough time with Jason the lightweight. Until next time, looooosah! Go back and regroup with your buds and bring a better game next time. PEACE

  696. jason says:

    Meanwhile, children are dying of hunger in Proud ObamaCON’s model economy.

  697. Proud Obamacon says:

    When Jason has lost, he always brings up North Korea or USSR – … yawn

    Check and Mate Loosah

    UNTIL NEXT TIME .. I gave you a D- for tonight. You’ve done better. Up your game next time. PEACE

  698. jason says:

    Yeah, it was Russia’s fault…

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Hillary Clinton’s image has declined since June and is now the worst Gallup has measured for her to date. Her favorable rating has fallen five percentage points since June to a new low of 36%, while her unfavorable rating has hit a new high of 61%.

  699. jason says:

    Whenever you bring up ObmaCON’s model economies, he leaves.

    I understand, they are hard to defend.

  700. lisab says:

    That will be what happens with the transition emails. No one will care because no law was broken
    ——————————————-

    actually, that may not be true

    and

    people can get into serious legal problems for releasing a private citizen’s information

  701. lisab says:

    If it was a crime, then why not lawsuit?
    —————————–

    trump has no need to sue

    mueller is the one who may have screwed up his investigation

  702. lisab says:

    how bad will the dems attack mueller once they realize he may have just let trump’s entire team off the hook?

    apparently they used the info against flake, so even he may skate

  703. Big Joe says:

    #732 Jason-
    “WASHINGTON, D.C. — Hillary Clinton’s image has declined since June and is now the worst Gallup has measured for her to date. Her favorable rating has fallen five percentage points since June to a new low of 36%, while her unfavorable rating has hit a new high of 61%.”

    I was never excited by the prospects of a Hillary presidency. It would have been the 3rd Dem term so that’s not good. A bloodbath in 2018 was a certainty followed by another GOP year in 2020.

    You can’t win ’em all, so its best to take your losses where they do the least damage. 2016 could turn out to be a great year to take a strategic loss. Now 2018 looks ok and 2020 as well.

    Time will tell of course.

    Big Joe

  704. mnw says:

    We should collect and categorize the cliches of ProudObamacon:

    “A Comprehensive Reader’s Guide to Trollworld: Every Cliche Ever Used. One Stop Shopping!”

    Loosah
    Y’all
    LOL
    SAD!

    What a motherf*ckin’ WIT! Right up there with Oscar Q.Wilde*, huh?

    * (

  705. mnw says:

    * Wilde’s retarded cousin “Q”

  706. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Whenever you bring up ObmaCON’s model economies, he leaves.”

    More lies. If you could point out where I posted my model economies, that would be great. This is your go-to line when you have lost your arguments. Sad that you have to make things up. SAD!

  707. Proud Obamacon says:

    So to wrap it up, Jason has been exposed as a hypocrite or liar

    He complains about the labor participation rate under Obama, but an even lower rate under his Orange Sex Fantasy is a-ok!

    He says that the markets only went up under Obama because of the GOP House (and later Senate), then is silent when he’s shown that the market doubled during 2009/10 when Democrats controlled Congress.

    Jason is outraged that Obama would blame Bush when Bush left him a pile of crap. Yet he thinks its perfectly fine when his Orange Sex Fantasy blames Obama, even when its not even true!

    Oh but but USSR , but North Korea! But Caracas!
    BENGHAZIIIIII!!!!!

  708. Big Joe says:

    Maybe I need to get out more, but I’ve never heard the term “Rethug.” I have heard of Wingbat and Moonbat though. Someone called me a Moonbat on HHR back in the day.

    Big Joe

  709. mnw says:

    I will be happy to point out that you are an arrogant semiliterate halfwit. Will that help?

  710. Proud Obamacon says:

    ok so Jason tagged in mnw while he went away to lick his wounds.

    mnw starts off with the usual personal insult… yawn

  711. Proud Obamacon says:

    BJ, it’s wingnut not wingbat bro.

  712. mnw says:

    Ever had a job? A girlfriend?

  713. Proud Obamacon says:

    Defend your hero, bro. Quit with the interview questions.

  714. Big Joe says:

    #744-
    “BJ, it’s wingnut not wingbat bro.”

    Sorry, Proud.

    Big Joe

  715. Proud Obamacon says:

    Hey mnw and Jason, I know you don’t like actual data, but since y’all are wetting your keyboards at how the markets are doing, how about ya’ll check this out (warning it will ruin your narrative):

    @SteveRattner
    8h8 hours ago
    Dow in the first 11 months:
    – Obama: 29.9%
    – Trump: 25.0%

    S&P in the first 11 months:
    – Obama: 36.9%
    – Trump: 18.4%

    How’s that for data?

    LOLLLL

  716. Tgca says:

    748. Fake Analysis

    DJIA year-end and annual growth rates below. The 2009-2012 was recovery and getting back to stability from 2008 housing crisis thanks to Fannie Mae so it did not reflect real market growth.

    2006. 12;463. 16%
    2007. 13,264. 6%
    2008. 8,776. -34%
    2009. 10,428. 19%
    2010. 11,578. 11%
    2011. 12,218. 6%
    2012. 13,104. 7%
    2013. 16,576. 27%
    2014. 17,823. 8%
    2015. 17,425. -2%
    2016. 19,763. 13%
    2017. 24,755. 25%

  717. Tgca says:

    The market is driven by expectations and company earnings and outlook. 2017 growth mainly attributable to executed more favorable business policies changes as supported by numerous business surveys. I doubt this market would exist under POTUS Hillary.

  718. Tgca says:

    Expected not executed

  719. Tgca says:

    HHR is not the place to have an in-depth market analysis discussion but the market slowly rebounded from 2009 through 2013 to previous levels and it was during that period that companies set new trends and focused more on expense reduction to manage earnings than pure growth. It wasn’t until the last couple years that real job growth for high paying skills started to come back. Initial job growth in recovery was lower skilled and paying Jobs as well, if I recall correctly after adjustment for large number of folks dropping from labor market due to no availability of replacement jobs they lost in the housing crisis.

  720. MichiganGuy says:

    Tax bill passed 51-48

  721. Tgca says:

    We won’t even get into the forced bank regulations after extortions by Jesse Jackson and friends of the 90s and Fannie Mae nepotism that led to this crisis that no one was really ever held accountable for after it burst in 2008.

    As an example, I had a neighbor and her husband with a combined annual income of less than $100K, as laborers, that we’re approached by their bank and convinced to buy their 1st home in their late 50s. They lasted 11 months before the bank took it back because they could not afford the payments. No problem. Fannie will spot you.

    I had a co-worker whose friend was allowed to buy 7 houses before he foreclosed on them all at the same time. No worries. Fannie and friends will spot you.

  722. Tgca says:

    753

    Question is will Trump veto it because he’s a closet Democrat.

  723. Tgca says:

    Child molestor protector and enabler Cardinal Law dead at 86. Normally, I would say rot in hell you POS but clearly he’s served the needy and the community during his life so instead of Hell time, maybe God will slap the b*tch around a bit for trying to hide and deflect the abuse children suffered by priests he protected.

  724. Bitterlaw says:

    Law and priests who preyed upon children should have been beheaded on Good Friday over the years. No charity work could redeem him or come close to repairing the damage he did.

  725. Tina says:

    The tax cut bill opens up ANWR.

  726. messy says:

    shortest day of the year. cloudy, too. yuck!

  727. messy says:

    Seven sixty!

  728. Bitterlaw says:

    I know people who left the Catholic Church over the priest scandal. To be honest, most of them were even lazier than I am and were looking for an excuse to justify leaving.

  729. NYCmike says:

    More land ripe for exploitation!

    WWTPBD!?!? (what will the polar bear do)

  730. NYCmike says:

    Shuffled those priests from parish to parish… shameful.

  731. NYCmike says:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/365687-collins-media-coverage-of-tax-bill-has-been-unbelievably-sexist

    -Collins is on to the media being part of the Democrat party……MD, “CG” and Robbie still not convinced.

  732. NYCmike says:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/365748-rosie-odonnell-lashes-out-at-gop-senator-over-tax-bill-do-you-think

    -I would like to know what Rosie is tweeting about a $2 million payout to Corker and Collins…..

  733. NYCmike says:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/angry-parents-pull-kids-from-class-over-ivanka-trump-visit/ar-BBH2yT2?ocid=DELLDHP

    -Were they were about security for the kids, or that their kids would get Trump/Kushner “cooties”?

    If worried about the “cooties”, does that make those parents anti-Semitic? “CG”, need a ruling on this.

  734. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    December 20, 2017 at 7:45 am
    I know people who left the Catholic Church over the priest scandal. To be honest, most of them were even lazier than I am
    ————————————————————————-
    Lazier than Bitter? Is that even possible?

  735. MichiganGuy says:

    The Tax Cuts are so large and so meaningful, and yet the Fake News is working overtime to follow the lead of their friends, the defeated Dems, and only demean. This is truly a case where the results will speak for themselves, starting very soon. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/943489378462130176

  736. MichiganGuy says:

    Democrats wasted the year tearing the President down while the President built America back up:
    -Booming economy
    -Millions of new jobs
    -ISIS caliphate in ruins
    -Record number of judicial appointments
    -ObamaCare individual mandate repealed
    -Historic tax cuts
    America great again

    https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/943441648628797440
    ————————————————————–
    The best Press Secretary ever!

  737. Cash Cow TM says:

    Refrigerator cleaned out and insides washed out…

    Pond fountain repaired and replaced…

    Buckets of water put on the potted plants on front and back porch…

    Birdfeeders filled…

    THE REST OF YOU BETTER GET BUSY IF YOU WANT TO CATCH THE COW!

  738. mnw says:

    Whenever you see any of these terms appear in a post? Mentally subtract 5 IQ points from the poster for each usage:

    LOL
    SAD!
    Y’all *
    LOOSAHS
    IOVAH!

    * “Y’all” receives double points. Subtract 10 IQ points for this one. It is of a piece with Hillary’s cringe-inducing attempt to mimic AA patois: “Ah ain’t no way tahrd!” = “Y’all own that!”

  739. Cash Cow TM says:

    One email I got today says if you do not poop at least 3 times a day, you are dying a slow death.

    Cow must be just fine, but Walt is a mere one times a day pooper–should I worry?

  740. mnw says:

    sb “It’s OVAH!”

  741. hugh says:

    748. dumbest post today. After the deepest recession he had a 36% increase from a very deep hole and then oversaw the worst post recession growth in modern times. The deeper the recession the greater the gdp growth, but not under oblumber. He was in the way of the rebound and we had done better if he did nothing.

  742. mnw says:

    I know why I have time to post here a lot. I’m recovering from knee replacement surgery.

    But… I truly wonder about the trolls. Job?
    Girlfriend? Parents’ basement? Anything?

    For example, one of the regular trolls, Paul, bragged here recently about how well his “fine ACA health insurance” is working. If Paul suffers as a result of some physical disability or tragic accident, then we can all understand, I think, how a person might end up bragging about his ACA participation.

    But otherwise? Paul has clearly made some poor choices & ended up in a bad place. Dog-in-the-Manger-like, Paul now wishes to share his misery with those who didn’t make the same choices he made.

  743. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON was triggered last night poor Marxist bastard.

    The end of the Obamacare mandate Central Kommittee Edict must really hurt, that was right out of his beloved Soviet Union playbook.

    As Big Joe, who is pretty smart for a Dem says, let’s see what happens in 2018.

    But whatever happens, everything Trump is doing is not going to be reversed even if the Dems take the House.

    That is why the Marxist moonbat is so upset.

  744. Redmen4ever says:

    Jimmy Carter? Did somebody say Jimmy Carter? 40 years ago he admitted to lusting after a woman in his heart. Ergo: sexual misconduct.

  745. Redmen4ever says:

    Other thing Trump didn’t do: bring back LaVar Bell.

    Therefore, no need to thank him.

  746. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON is too stupid to actually get a government job when the Kommies take over, but I think he hopes he can be on the neighborhood ideological purity kommittee, turning people in for being outside the reservation so they can go to re-indoctrination camps.

    He would be taking names here but of course this blog would be blacklisted immediately.

  747. jason says:

    Paul suffers as a result of some physical disability or tragic accident,”

    I believe Paul said he has heart disease, his wife has MS, his son is autistic, his daughter is diabetic, his dog is lame, his cat has feline leukemia and his goldfish is swimming upside down.

    Everyone is alive thanks to Obamacare.

  748. NYCmike says:

    Quick note: I have seen more graphs about taxes going up in 2027…..Trump has managed to get Democrats/liberals to look ahead and see how policy can affect the future….another TRUMP MIRACLE!

  749. jason says:

    I am sure Proud ObamaCON is so proud of this..

    “CUCUTA, Colombia (Reuters) – Thousands of impoverished Venezuelans are crossing the border to Colombia every day to sell cheap basics, from oranges to candles, in a desperate attempt to earn hard currency amid their country’s worsening economic collapse.

    The porous roughly 2,220-kilometer (1,380-mile) frontier for years has been rife with smuggling due to the massive differences in prices on either side due to controls imposed by Venezuela’s socialist government.”

  750. Waingro says:

    The Marxists are going apesh*t on the House floor on CSPAN right now.

  751. jason says:

    What time is the vote.

  752. Waingro says:

    #786, it was supposed to be at 12:15, but the Marxists are delaying as much as possible with DOOMSDAY speeches.

  753. Waingro says:

    Voting now….

  754. Big Joe says:

    #778 Jason-
    “As Big Joe, who is pretty smart for a Dem says, let’s see what happens in 2018.”

    As always, Jason, you are too kind. 😀

    Big Joe

  755. DW says:

    Bernie Sanders leftist loon thinks all the money in the country belongs to him to spend as he wishes…thinks tax cut is ‘robbery’

  756. Redmen4ever says:

    Another thing Trump didn’t do: call a White House conference on the inadequacy of single-letter coding of gender, when there are 63 genders. Why should anybody be forced to use two letter codes when cisgens only have to use one.

    https://apath.org/63-genders/

  757. lisab says:

    The TV presenter and Marks & Spencer model Myleene Klass has been warned by police for waving a knife at teenagers who were peering into a window of her house late at night.

    Klass was in the kitchen with her daughter upstairs when she spotted the youths in her garden just after midnight on Friday. She grabbed a knife and banged the windows before they ran away.

    Hertfordshire police warned her she should not have used a knife to scare off the youths because carrying an “offensive weapon”, even in her own home, was illegal.

  758. Waingro says:

    Boom. House approves.

  759. lisab says:

    Rosie O’Donnell just attempted to bribe two senators.
    —————————

    she offered $2 million each to collins and flake to vote no on taxes

    (flake said yes.)

  760. lisab says:

    guys,

    why won’t you let paul, cg, robbie, proud obamacon, rosie odonnell, and all the other hollywood actors

    pay at the old tax rate?

    that seems unfair to make them pay lower taxes

  761. Paul says:

    Wow it looks like the odds are in favor of the Republicans taking the House now that they passed that tax bill.

    https://www.electionbettingodds.com/

    Just kidding.

  762. Paul says:

    Keeping I mean.

  763. lisab says:

    this is the minister of HEALTH in belgium

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/apoG55D_700b_v1.jpg

    she is one of the most popular politicians in europe.

    does anyone else see an issue?

  764. lisab says:

    McConnell to Reporter: I Understand ‘Your Job is to Use the Democratic Talking Points’

  765. Wobbles says:

    I know you want to talk about the biggest tax overhaul in decades and the passage of a significant item of Trump’s agenda and the fulfillment of his campaign pledge, but could you spare a few minutes for fake newswoman Mika’s face?

    Thank you.

  766. Wobbles says:

    cConnell to Reporter: I Understand ‘Your Job is to Use the Democratic Talking Points’

    Are there any other ones?

  767. lisab says:

    BREAKING: Hawaii judge does nothing to stop tax bill

  768. jason says:

    Paul is excited about the 61% chance the Dems have of taking the house in 2018.

    He was also excited about the 85% chance Hillary had of winning.

  769. lisab says:

    Heather North, Voice of Daphne on ‘Scooby-Doo,’ Dies at 71

  770. jason says:

    Sanders is not only one who believes there is such a thing as “government money”.

    All the other Marxists in Congress believe in it too.

    According to Sanders, the “national treasure is being raided”.

    He is too stupid to realize that even IF it was being given back to the wealthy, they do pay most of the taxes.

  771. lisab says:

    Hundreds protest in Sweden after police told women to ‘stay inside or walk in pairs’ after series of violent gang rapes of teenage girls

  772. jason says:

    BREAKING: Hawaii judge does nothing to stop tax bill”

    LOL

  773. mnw says:

    jason 803

    Paul is part of the freezh*t army, alright.

  774. DW says:

    806 – Cruz roasted Sanders in that debate pointing out that if “the rich” were taxed at 100% it would only pay for 8% of Sanders’ spending plan.

  775. lisab says:

    US tax reform breaks global rules, EU says

  776. lisab says:

    National Review: “Donald Trump was a joke until nominated, unelectable until elected, incompetent until he succeeded on most fronts, and about to be impeached until he debunked the collusion nonsense; he has had a very successful year.”

  777. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason with his usual retorts about the Soviet Union. . . yawn

    Not off to a good start today, sport. Take a quick time out and get a little pep talk from Big Joe and mnw to fire you up. LOL LOOOOSAH

  778. mnw says:

    813 Proud

    LOL! LOSAH!

    Y’all own this!

    It’s OVAH!

    There. All your clever original witticisms in one place. Feel free to cut & paste.

    SAD!

  779. lisab says:

    Rosie says it wasn’t me, I would never bribe a US Senator, you see what had happened was I left my phone in my gym bag and somebody must have broke into my phone and hacked my account I am guessing it was Trump’s best friend Putin , yeah that’s the ticket it was Putin..

  780. lisab says:

    Just a reminder from VA Governor that 93 Million people die each day from guns.

  781. DW says:

    816 – is that a national number, daily in each of the 57 states?

  782. lisab says:

    “At the UN we’re always asked to do more & give more. So, when we make a decision, at the will of the American ppl, abt where to locate OUR embassy, we don’t expect those we’ve helped to target us. On Thurs there’ll be a vote criticizing our choice. The US will be taking names” senator warren

  783. lisab says:

    is that a national number, daily in each of the 57 states?
    ————————–

    i believe it is that many people per day in the entire united states

    thus the need for open borders

    or our population would collapse

  784. lisab says:

    i cannot even pretend to be upset my taxes are going down
    —————————————

    this is the first thing i give trump a thumbs up for

    well done!

  785. Proud Obamacon says:

    814 mnw

    Hillary Cinton

    Benghazi

    Soviet Union and North Korea

    Emails!

    Seth Rich!

    It’s Obama’s fault

    There, all your go-to fallbacks when you lose debates. Feel free to cut & paste.

  786. NYCmike says:

    “thus the need for open borders”

    -lisab,

    Only 1+ million more LEGAL IMMIGRANTS a year, not one less, not one more (actually, have Bitterlaw and jason ever said if they had a maximum number??).

  787. DW says:

    I expect congressional approval to go up in the coming weeks. Much of the disapproval is from Republicans angry that they were a ‘do-nothing’ congress.

  788. NYCmike says:

    We know they have a minimum, which is the status quo from last year…..definitely not from 2015, or 2014, or 2013, or 2012, or 2011…….that would be DOA with REAL Republicans in Congress……(the voters don’t matter once they get elected, DONTCHA KNOW!)

  789. Proud Obamacon says:

    “I expect congressional approval to go up in the coming weeks.”

    Looks like congressional approval is headed down, guys. LOL

    Still waiting on the mionute-by-minute recap of the AL senate election day…..

  790. lisab says:

    BREAKING CNN: because of trump, taxes are set to go up on middle class taxpayers in 2027

  791. messy says:

    817. Are you saying that people in DC, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, the Northern Marianas, American Samoa and Micronesia aren’t killed by guns at any time?

  792. messy says:

    820. But when they GO UP, you will.

  793. NYCmike says:

    Party likes its 2027……all parties have been cancelled due to Trump’s tax cuts…..we must prepare NOW!

  794. NYCmike says:

    “820. But when they GO UP, you will.”

    -Please tell us, which government workers (aka elected representatives) will seek to allow them to expire?

    If we know now, (or before November 2018), then the voters can make an informed choice about whom they should elect.

    Thanks for your help in this matter.

  795. lisab says:

    Protesters will fill the streets. Signs will say “Increase my taxes!”

  796. lisab says:

    817. Are you saying that people in DC, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, the Northern Marianas, American Samoa and Micronesia aren’t killed by guns at any time?
    ————————————

    are they part of the united states?

    then they are included in the 93 million shooting deaths per day … tch

  797. lisab says:

    But when they GO UP, you will.
    ——————————-

    yes, after 9 years of receiving a tax cut, my taxes will go back to where they are now …

    and i will indeed be upset by that

  798. lisab says:

    i don’t even care what the dems are saying about the tax cuts

    not even a little bit

    mama bear is going to vegas baby!

  799. DW says:

    One of the most important clues was the fact that Mary Jo left her purse and hotel key at the party, and did not tell any of her friends she was leaving. This confirms she wasn’t getting a ride back to the hotel on the other side of the ferry, but was in fact going out onto the beach with Ted for a quick one, and then would return to the party.

  800. DW says:

    One can understand that a young woman wouldn’t want to risk losing her purse or hotel key in Ted’s car or out on the beach while busy with Ted.

  801. jason says:

    actually, have Bitterlaw and jason ever said if they had a maximum number??).

    I don’t have a maximum number, however there are certain limits already in place, including refugees.

    To me legal means legal. There are requirements to become a legal resident, and those who meet the requirements are legal.

    https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works

  802. jason says:

    Whatever the reason for the outing, Ted Kennedy was drunk, drove off a bridge, and a woman died as a result.

    He should never have gotten away with it, even if he was taking her to church.

  803. jason says:

    National Review: “Donald Trump was a joke until nominated, unelectable until elected, incompetent until he succeeded on most fronts, and about to be impeached until he debunked the collusion nonsense; he has had a very successful year.”

    I love it, even if I was one of those that believed in the first point.

  804. jason says:

    “jason with his usual retorts about the Soviet Union”

    I understand your pain… the end of the Soviet Union must eat at your insides every living minute.

    But look, you can still live the Marxist dream through Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, all is not lost.

  805. DW says:

    842 – saw a story today about how starving Venezuelans are crossing the border into Columbia in desperate attempts to find resources to feed families. Must have been a mistake–cannot imagine how a liberal socialist utopia could fail.

  806. Redmen4ever says:

    Which CSPAN channel is showing women taking off their tops to protest the tax cuts?

  807. jason says:

    Old Ted Kennedy joke…

    “Did you hear the latest about Iran? There’s good news and bad news. The bad news is that Jane Fonda is going to Tehran. The good news is that Ted Kennedy is driving her to the airport.”

  808. jason says:

    What really happened…

    Teddy and Mary Jo were driving along and Mary Jo said “Teddy, I am pregnant… what should I do”?

    Teddy said: “we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.”

  809. jason says:

    Besides leaving her purse and hotel key behind, Mary Jo was also not wearing panties.

    This could have an innocent reason, I had a girlfriend who didn’t wear them, she said some women don’t because they don’t like the outline through the pants or skirts.

  810. lisab says:

    SHELTER IN PLACE!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! TAX CUTS ARE COMING!!!

  811. jason says:

    NBC asked Paul Ryan if he lived in a fantasy world about the tax cuts..

    Remember when they asked Obama if he lived in a fantasy world regarding Obamacare re keeping your doctor and coverage and premiums going down?

    No, you don’t remember either, huh?

  812. NYCmike says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/12/18/youtube-temporarily-bans-europeans-from-viewing-cernovich-documentary-on-migrant-rape-crisis/

    -Robbie,

    Whose side are you on, Youtube’s or the person showing that Sweden has a lot of rapes?

  813. jason says:

    When it comes to lying, Trump is just an amateur…

    Here is the real pro:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfl55GgHr5E

  814. DW says:

    Wes not around today so I will fill in for him on the release of the Chappaquiddick film trailer:

    “Chappaquiddick trailer released today. Mary Jo Kopechne unavailable for comment.”

  815. NYCmike says:

    I still believe him!

  816. lisab says:

    notice the lack of trolls

    they cannot figure out how to sin the tax cuts

  817. mnw says:

    Do these troll nitwits REALLY ‘laugh out loud’ EVERY time they type that?

    Do they think it makes them seem… witty? well-read? formidable debate adversaries?

    or just people who write at the third grade level?*

    *or in the case of TIPW, the Kindergarden (sic) Kid level?

  818. lisab says:

    the thing is,

    it isn’t like trump cut welfare, food stamps, or section 8 housing

    why do they care if working peple get a tax cut?

  819. NYCmike says:

    “why do they care if working peple get a tax cut?”

    -Robbie, “CG”, MD, Author?

  820. jason says:

    The trolls are suffering because they know the tax cuts are going through, the Obamacare mandate is history, drilling in ANWR is going to start, conservative judges are being confirmed, deregulation is happening, trillions are not being thrown away down the global warming rathole, etc.

    These are all a big deal for the moonbats.

    What they have is Mueller and an “energized base” for 2018.

    Not a good trade.

  821. lisab says:

    otoh

    how did the dems allow trump to pass tax cuts?

    if they had to give him a success almost any other item would have been better

    even a wall on the border would have been a great symbol to run against in 2018

    how will they run against tax cuts?

    “vote for us, we will raise your taxes!”

  822. lisab says:

    they could have offered mccain to name the next aircraft carrier after him …

    anything to stop the tax cuts

    huge mistake by the dems

  823. jason says:

    why do they care if working peple get a tax cut?”

    Because they might appreciate it. You don’t want that…..

    And the “rich” are getting a benefit… horrors.

    Reminds me of a joke GHWB once told in a debate regarding opposition to tax cuts because they might also benefit the rich. About the preacher who couldn’t sleep at night because somewhere, somehow, someway SOMEBODY was having a good time.

  824. jason says:

    You won’t see Wobbie linking to this…

    “Sources close to the investigation say that McCabe was a “friendly witness” to the Democrats in the room, who are said to have pressed the deputy director, without success, to help them build a case against President Trump for obstruction of justice in the Russia-collusion probe. “If he could have, he would have,” said one participant in the questioning.

    Investigators say McCabe recounted to the panel how hard the FBI had worked to verify the contents of the anti-Trump “dossier” and stood by its credibility. But when pressed to identify what in the salacious document the bureau had actually corroborated, the sources said, McCabe cited only the fact that Trump campaign adviser Carter Page had traveled to Moscow. Beyond that, investigators said, McCabe could not even say that the bureau had verified the dossier’s allegations about the specific meetings Page supposedly held in Moscow.

    The sources said that when asked when he learned that the dossier had been funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, McCabe claimed he could not recall – despite the reported existence of documents with McCabe’s own signature on them establishing his knowledge of the dossier’s financing and provenance.”

  825. lisab says:

    Chappaquiddick Trailer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=z0JsX3e0GNo

    “moses had a temper but he never left a dead girl at the bottom of the red sea”

  826. jason says:

    they could have offered mccain to name the next aircraft carrier after him

    There is already a carrier named John S. McCain after his grandfather.

    Maybe a new sub however. Or a naval base.

  827. Phil says:

    Sounds like this McCabe is a real stand up guy.

    The more we here about this guy the more crooked he gets.

  828. lisab says:

    mccain could not be bought for a sub … it is not even a ship, it is a boat

    no, he would need to have the next aircraft carrier

    cvn-78 is the gerald ford
    cvn-79 is the jfk
    cvn-80 (not built yet) was to be the enterprise and now the william jefferson clinton, but after the sex scandals could be named the john mccain

  829. lisab says:

    cvn-81 the barack obama — it is perfect for sailing in the middle east area, isis won’t shoot at it

  830. Proud Obamacon says:

    This is the greatest day ever at the HHR Bubble … LOL

    Meanwhile in the real world..

    Tax bill has approval rating in the 20’s LOL
    Tax the middle class to give to the donors!

    Here’s the average tax cut in 2018 for:
    – bottom 20%: $60
    – middle class: $930
    – richest 0.1%: $193,380

    https://t.co/x2OE995Qwe

    WORST.ADMIN.EVAHH

  831. NYCmike says:

    “The more we here about this guy the more crooked he gets.”

    -Phil,

    This sounds like FoxNEWS spin….you must be a Hannity-butt-boy!

  832. lisab says:

    The tax cuts that nobody likes
    boston globe

    According to a CNN poll, 55 percent of Americans oppose the GOP’s tax cut bill and only 33 percent support it.

  833. Proud Obamacon says:

    “otoh

    how did the dems allow trump to pass tax cuts?”

    I know the IQ here is pretty low, but this is government 101. You see, the Dems are in the minority in both the House and the Senate and the POTUS is a Rethuglican. Therefore, how do you suggest the Dems stop this?

    Sorry, can’t blame the coming disaster on the Dems. Y’all own this 100%.

    Nice try though… Lol

  834. NYCmike says:

    #869 – Got it.

    So, everybody received a tax cut.

    Is that correct?

  835. Proud Obamacon says:

    Incorrect, taxes increased for some. Overall most people would get a tax cut with the overwhelming amount going to the top 1%.

    Middle class might be able to buy an extra cup of coffee.

    That’s fine, just call it what it is. It’s Trickle Down and it’s NOT a middle class tax cut.

    LIES.LIES.LIES

  836. lisab says:

    the trolls be sad …

    but every working person in america is here …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFKwxfAKmqo

  837. mnw says:

    Does it embarrass Troll 2 (Obamacon) to mimic Hillary’s “Ah ain’t no way tahrd!” That the voters found so authentic & endearing?

    I’d bet a thousand simoleons he doesn’t even recognize the ghastly mentor he’s imitating!

  838. lisab says:

    might be able to buy an extra cup of coffee.
    —————————————

    you say this but people like you buy triple venti half sweet non-fat caramel macchiatos from starbucks for $7.99 every day!

  839. lisab says:

    ironically …

    the amount of money i will get back in taxes is a little more than obama said my insurance would go down

  840. mnw says:

    lisab

    No he doesn’t buy that! He doesn’t have a pot to pizz in or a window to throw it out of!

    Can’t you tell? THIS is the closest thing he has to a job. I sense he never finished college, either.

  841. Redmen4ever says:

    Another thing that Trump didn’t do – all the big companies announcing end of year bonuses, hiring plans, dividend increases and investment plans following the tax cut: AT&T, Comcast, CVS, Kroger, Apple, Exxon Mobil, Costco, Chevron, Verizon. Other big companies, thus far, have said it’s too early to say anything specific.

  842. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Sometimes you gotta love ObamaCon’s thinking. His/her logic:

    Democrats take monies from people via ObamaCare. FANTASTIC

    Republicans place monies in people’s pockets. STINGY and WRONG

    As Marc Levin has repeatedly said: Liberalism is a mental disorder.
    Exhibit A is ObamaCon!

  843. Redmen4ever says:

    Another thing Trump didn’t do is 4 percent economic growth. The Fed says economic growth is coming in at 3.98 percent this quarter. Rounding up is a Breitbart, neo-nazi, racist, homophobic, misogynist alt-fact. It’s the biggest lie since the Great Depression. lie. Only child molesters and other NASCAR fanatics call 3.98 percent growth “4 percent.”

  844. Tina says:

    Looks like mccabes interview before the house was a disaster.

  845. Blobbie says:

    All right… all right… but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order… what have the Romans done for us?

  846. lisab says:

    the hardest part about being a vegan is getting up at 4.30am to milk the almonds

  847. lisab says:

    #885 i like that movie!

    crowd: yes, we’re all individuals

    individual: i’m not!

  848. Tina says:

    Sean Davis
    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
    McCabe couldn’t provide a single example of a substantive dossier allegation that had been verified by the FBI.

    But they exhaused all efforts.

  849. Phil says:

    Yes, it was an exhaustive effort, Tina.

    Exhaustive I say!

  850. Tina says:

    h
    FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe has some explaining to do. The top FBI official’s seven-hour testimony contained “numerous conflicts with the testimony of previous witnesses.”

  851. Tina says:

    If they could not tell within trn minutes that the dossier was fake, we are phuqed.

  852. Tina says:

    Bill Kristol
    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    Isn’t there something creepy about corporations giving cash bonuses to employees explicitly because of the passage of certain legislation or because of specific regulatory actions? Doesn’t it have something of a Road to Corporatist Serfdom feel to it?

  853. JulStol says:

    Finally got banned from RRH. So worth it.

  854. NYCmike says:

    To Bill Kristol,

    I actually agree somewhat, I did NOT like that announcement by these companies…….except, I then started watching how the media was reporting the news, and how they kept mentioning 2027, and I changed my view. The media is part of the Democrat Party.

    GFY, Kristol!

  855. NYCmike says:

    Bill Kristol,

    One other thing: maybe these companies got tired of elected representatives casting them as evil incarnate, and decided to show the public a different face.

    GFY, Kristol!

  856. Wobbles says:

    Trump won’t sign the tax bill.

    I just read it on Socialist Worker’s Diary.

  857. Redmen4ever says:

    Correction. since corporations hiring workers, investing money, paying dividends, raising wages and paying out bonuses to workers is a bad thing … THEN Trump is responsible.

    Impeach 45! Impeach 45! Impeach 45!

  858. jason says:

    WORST.ADMIN.EVAHH”

    Whatever.

    Deal with it for 4 or 8 years.

    I survived the worst President of my lifetime, Barack Obama.

    You will survive Trump, unless you do the free world a favor and off yourself.

  859. jason says:

    ’s Trickle Down and it’s NOT a middle class tax cut.”

    How come when Obama was President with Pelosi and Schumer were running Congress Obama didn’t pass na”middle class” tax cut?

    You know the answer, they were running up the deficit so they could pay for more food stamps, welfare, give aways their special interest friends trial wars and fat cat union bosses, benefits to illegals, and to keep the poor dependent on the government and voting for them.

    The middle class will benefit greatly from this bill. The fact EVERYONE will benefit is to be applauded, not attacked. The rich already pay the lion share of taxes, I don’t have a problem if they get a small 2% break on the top rate.

    I know, in the Soviet Union the government owned all the money.

    RIP.

  860. jason says:

    That should be “trial lawyers” not trial wars.

  861. Tina says:

    Krystal Meth iloves her thighness

  862. Hugh says:

    874. BS. I’m above top 1%. I break even most of my partners pay more. Equating tax cuts for c corporations as a tax cut for the shareholders is moronic. You have 0 idea what you are talking about. I could point out numerous ways the top 1% are not getting tax breaks. Some will but it’s minor many will not. I cannot wait until people see their taxes go down and compare it to the liberal talking points. The lying on the left is beyond belief and their problem is millions will soon know it.

  863. Hugh says:

    871. Wait 6 months and see what they think. I can’t wait. I actually understand this stuff for once.

  864. jason says:

    Morning Consult has it 42-39 in favor.

    Given all the MSM lies about it, its actually surprising it has any support at all.

  865. Hugh says:

    869. Hey moronic dipstick. You show me an example of a .1 taxpayer that get 193000. Their income tax goes down about 2% and they lose their state tax deductions. You live in Ohio and you make 2000000 your state, property and local taxes are 150000. You lost a 140000 deduction to gain a 2% reduction in federal taxes from the tax bracket. You can look up the brackets and do the math you dumbas and explain where he or she gets their193000 tax savings. This time you and your allies in the press went too far in your lies. No wonder pelosi cancelled her rally. Trump is an as s but
    Donnelly mccaskill and others will pay for all the lying.

  866. Wobbles says:

    I wish Trump wouldn’t tweet in favor of the tax bill.

    It gets into the way of the MSM’s narrative, which is the only acceptable narrative if you are a sycophant toadie like me.

  867. lisab says:

    it is sad when even proud obamacon’s heart isn’t in it

    a few measley posts … tch …

    i remember when we had real trolls, like chekote and bunu, and that guy ip

    now those were iron trolls

    robbie, cg, tipw and proud obamacon are not fit to shine their shoes

  868. jason says:

    richest 0.1%: $193,380″

    Zzzzzzz… you think that is a lot of money for the richest 0.1%?

    You think the richest 0.1% really care about $200k?

    But 2k+ savings for a lower middle class family might be a lot less than $200k but to them it will really means something, it pays a lot of bills.

    Your Soviet style hate for the “wealthy” is telling.

    Most Americans would rather be wealthy than live in your Soviet “paradise”.

  869. Blobbie says:

    Over? Did you say ‘over’? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!…

    It ain’t over now, ’cause when the goin’ gets tough, the tough get goin’.

    What the f–k happened to the HHR I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you’re gonna let it be the worst.

    ‘Ooh, you’re crazy Robbie, we like the tax cuts.’ (shouting) Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. I am going to pay the Obama tax rates! Bannon, he’s a dead man! Ivana, dead! Trump …

  870. lisab says:

    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
    ———————————————

    germans?

    republicans wasn’t it?

  871. lisab says:

    cnn is talking about trump firing mueller again

  872. lisab says:

    biggest tax cut in decades, and cnn is talking about mueller

    who trump said he would not fire at least not before christmas

  873. Tina says:

    Wobbles, trump wants to fire mulehead again.

    Lol

  874. jason says:

    Mueller is all they and Wobbie have..

    Pathetic.

  875. lisab says:

    the dead silence from the trolls means they are slowly realizing trump just got passed the biggest tax cut in a generation

    it’s quiet … too quiet …

  876. mnw says:

    Wobbles posted from Pago Bongo lagoon:

    “In America, if your neighbor has a pig & you don’t, you say, ‘I will work hard & some day I will have TWO pigs!’

    In my country, Pago Bongo, if your neighbor has a pig & you don’t, you say, ‘I want my neighbor’s pig to die!’ “

  877. Hugh says:

    Jason. 1.1m. Starts the top .1%. 193000 is complete crappp. I have refrained for years being aggressive. Even with Robbie but the lying critics of this bill have set me off.

  878. jason says:

    Both McConnell and Ryan thanked Trump for his leadership.

    Waiting for Wobbie now….

  879. lisab says:

    wll jeb would have cut taxes …

  880. jason says:

    Its started…

    Yahoo headline “Meet some of the victims of the Trump tax cut”.

    These people are really sick, they have just turned into political hacks of the worst kind. There is not even any pretense of journalistic balance or fairness.

    It’s Pravda at its best.

    Why didn’t they interview me and the tens of millions who were “victims” of Obamacare. I pay a lot more money for a lot crappier healthcare.

  881. jason says:

    Who is dragging down who. Hillary’s popularity is at an all time low of 36%.

    But Bill has taken a big hit too.

    Maybe more people understand that they are both corrupt and that they enable each other’s corruption.

    “Bill’s favorability has also taken a major hit. He stood at 69 percent favorable circa the 2012 election, then dipped to 64 a year or two later, then to 59 as Hillary moved towards a presidential run. By the time Trump was inviting Juanita Broaddrick to pre-debate press conferences last year, he was down to 50 percent favorability. Today, in the wake of Pervnado? He’s underwater at 45 percent, the first time he’s been net negative in popularity since Bush 43’s first term.”

  882. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie, ObamaCom and Paul will be sad. It appears that Rhode Island will lose one of its Electoral Votes.

    http://wpri.com/2017/12/20/ri-is-now-within-157-residents-of-losing-a-us-house-seat-expert-warns/

  883. mnw says:

    jason

    I don’t think it will work this time on tax reform. I trust the common sense of the American public, although they’re wrong too sometimes, viewed from an historical perspective— Prohibition, etc.

    Fakenews Inc. has told too many lies for its own good.

  884. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    The Left and some posters on this site claim that The Donald is an anti-Semite. If so, why would he do this? Corey?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/20/trump-commutes-sentence-agriprocessors-chief-sholom-rubashkin.html

    The Chabad movement is ecstatic tonight!

  885. lisab says:

    the trolls mus be all still at their two minutes of hate meeting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KeX5OZr0A4&t=136s

  886. Tina says:

    House congressional critters asked mccabe if trump obstructed. Mccabe says no obstruction, confirming what mulehead stated in march.

  887. lisab says:

    the dems really f’d up

    how could they possibly allow this to happen.

    a broad based tax cut is something every working person will see …

    allowing trump ANY other victory but this was preferable. all his other promises only helped a portion of his voters. this helps all his voters.

    a disaster for the dems

  888. Tina says:

    Its not just tax cuts, its killing obamacare, and opening up anwr.

  889. jason says:

    Tax cuts already working…

    Steven Hayward

    “The ink is barely dry on the president’s signature on the tax reform bill, and already positive results are being reported. One of the arguments of economists like my former colleague Kevin Hassett (now chair of the President’s Council of Economic Advisers) is that reducing the corporate tax rate would benefit workers wages. It has started to have this effect—today:

    AT&T, Comcast giving $1,000 bonuses to hundreds of thousands of workers after tax bill

    AT&T said in a press release Wednesday that it would give more than 200,000 of its U.S. workers who are union members a special bonus of $1,000. The company also increased its capital expenditures budget by $1 billion in the U.S. . .

    Later in the afternoon, cable and media company Comcast NBCUniversal made a similar move: it announced it would give special $1,000 bonuses “[b]ased on the passage of tax reform and the FCC’s action on broadband.” Those bonuses would apply to more than 100,000 employees that are eligible and not in executive roles.

    The company also made a big spending commitment to bolster its broadband plants, television and film production, and theme parks, pledging an outlay of at least $50 billion over the next five years.

    Boeing, Wells Fargo, and Fifth Third Bancorp also announced major spending and investment plans on account of the tax bill.

    I think this is what Trump calls winning. And Democrats are going to look foolish with their doom and gloom rhetoric and unanimous opposition.”

    Proud ObamaCON hardest hit.

  890. Tina says:

    The sources said that when asked when he learned that the dossier had been funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, McCabe claimed he could not recall – despite the reported existence of documents with McCabe’s own signature on them establishing his knowledge of the dossier’s financing and provenance.

    The scam is ovah.

  891. Tina says:

    Rottie also hard hit.

  892. JulStol says:

    My “ban” at RRH has now been amended to only be through the end of 2017.

    Lol.

    The mods there wouldn’t last 3 seconds on HHR. Wimps.

  893. Redmen4ever says:

    Making Americans rich increases inequality in the world. This will make the starving people in Venezuela feel even worse.

  894. Chicon says:

    Robbie posted several months ago that the two most important issues to him are getting conservative judges appointed and getting a tax cut.

    Now that both of these goals have been achieved within the first year of the Administration, will Robbie express appreciation, or at least approval?

    What’s that you say? Not a chance? Probably right.

  895. Chicon says:

    I am shocked – shocked, I say – that Robbie’s been “off the grid” today.

  896. NYCmike says:

    Robbie is on safari.

  897. MichiganGuy says:

    2018 Tennessee Senate (DSCC)

    Phil Bredesen (D) 46% (+5)
    Marsha Blackburn (R) 41%

    http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/20/democratic-senatorial-campaign-committee-poll-bredesen-has-more-support-than-blackburn/968830001/

    DSCC Poll enough said.

  898. MichiganGuy says:

    2018 Tennessee Senate (WPA Intelligence)

    Marsha Blackburn (R) 43% (+9)
    Phil Bredesen (D) 34%

    Phil Bredesen (D) 42% (+12)
    Stephen Fincher (R) 30%

    http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/19/marsha-blackburn-phil-bredesen-head-head-matchup-according-poll-trump-aligned-pac/965026001/

    Trump align Pac enough said.

  899. MichiganGuy says:

    2018 Mississippi Senate Republican Primary (Mason-Dixon)

    Roger Wicker 49% (+16)
    Chris McDaniel 33%

    http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/37104554/new-poll-shows-senator-wicker-ahead-of-chris-mcdaniel-in-possible-senate-race-matchup

  900. DW says:

    Trolls must be conveniently out on a cruise. Hopefully its that recent one where everyone got sick.

  901. Cash Cow TM says:

    NEWS IN NUMBERS

    64
    DECEMBER 20, 2017
    Official death toll in Puerto Rico from Hurricane Maria. But on Monday, the island’s governor ordered a recount because investigations from news outlets have found that the number of fatalities could actually exceed 1,000.
    Source: CNN
    ___________________________
    $270,000
    DECEMBER 19, 2017
    Donations raised by the state of Arizona to build a fence along parts of the border. The lawmaker who started the fund six years ago predicted it would collect $50 million. The last of the money was used earlier this month, but none of it went to building a fence.
    Source: The Arizona Republic
    ______________________________
    $100 to $300
    DECEMBER 18, 2017
    Bonuses that will soon be offered to teachers in Wichita, Kan., for recruiting friends or acquaintances to apply for hard-to-fill positions. The extra cash will only go to teachers, though, if their referrals get the job and last one year.
    Source: The Wichita Eagle
    ___________________________
    $63.5 million
    DECEMBER 15, 2017
    Money tourists spent in Wyoming while visiting the state this summer to see the total solar eclipse. That translates to $3.7 million in state and local government tax revenue.
    Source: AP/US News & World Report
    _________________________
    July 14, 1946
    DECEMBER 14, 2017
    Birthdate listed on President Trump’s absentee ballot for the New York City mayor’s race in November. His actual birthday is June 14, 1946.
    Source: BuzzFeed News
    ___________________________

    256,490
    DECEMBER 12, 2017
    Acres that six wildfires had burned in Southern California as of Sunday, which is larger than New York City and Boston combined.
    Source: CNN
    ___________
    9 out of 30
    DECEMBER 7, 2017
    Portion of the poorest counties in the U.S. that are in Eastern Kentucky, which has been hit hard by the coal industry’s decline. In general, the South had the largest rate (41 percent) of people living in poverty last year.
    Source: the Lexington Herald-Leader

  902. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Zzzzzzz… you think that is a lot of money for the richest 0.1%?”

    Exactly! You just proved my point, moron. Why give them back $200,000 when they are doing just fine? Why? Like you said, that’s nothing for the richest, but it’s something for the middle class. Why not give more of the tax cuts to the middle class? Why? Bueller?

    LOL moron

  903. lisab says:

    Why give them back $200,000 when they are doing just fine?
    ———————

    you understand it is their money right?

  904. Proud Obamacon says:

    Yes it’s their money. So why give the back $200,000 and only give $930 back to the middle class? Why? Damm, people need ADD medication around here.

  905. lisab says:

    Yes it’s their money. So why give the back $200,000
    —————————————

    ummmmmmm … because it is their money?

  906. Proud Obamacon says:

    Oh boy. So the rich can get back more of their money while the middle class gets back peanuts. Got it, thanks.

    Wow note to self to not discuss things with lisaB again

  907. lisab says:

    So the rich can get back more of their money while the middle class gets back peanuts.
    —————————————–

    the rich pay a lot more in taxes, so if there is a tax cut, they would get more back.

    the amount you get back would be in proportion to what you pay in …

  908. lisab says:

    moreover … the dems did not want to give any money back at all …

    i get money back, and you are upset

    so this is a win-win

  909. MichiganGuy says:

    #929 Jason, that is just the beginning.

    Fifth Third Bancorp will pay more than 13,500 employees a bonus and raise the minimum wage of its workforce to $15 an hour after the passage of the Republican tax plan that will cut the bank’s corporate tax rate.
    Fifth Third is yet another company to announce a bonus for employees because of the tax plan. AT&T said earlier Wednesday that it would pay more than 200,000 U.S. employees $1,000 each and increase its capital spending budget by $1 billion.
    Wells Fargo, meanwhile, also said it would be boosting its minimum wage for employees to $15 an hour, which was prompted by the tax plan. The San Francisco-based bank also said it would target $400 million in donations to community and nonprofit organizations next year.

    Cincinnati-based Fifth Third, the fifteenth largest U.S. bank by asset size, said the tax cut allowed it to re-evaluate its employee pay and pass along some of the windfall. Nearly 3,000 workers will see hourly wages rise to $15. The $1,000 one-time bonus is expected to be paid by the end of this year, the bank said, assuming President Donald Trump signs the bill into law by Christmas.
    Senior managers and top executives are excluded from the special payments. “It is good for our communities, employees and Fifth Third Bank,” said CEO Greg Carmichael in a statement.
    #MAGA #WINNING #TRUMP 2020

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/20/fifth-third-bancorp-unveils-bonuses-minimum-wage-hike-after-tax-bill-passage.html

  910. lisab says:

    ok … we really need new trolls

  911. lisab says:

    he did not even say y’all or lol

    when does robbie’s cruise get back?

  912. Proud Obamacon says:

    Except the money is not returned proportionally, you are pathetic. Good night, that’s 5 minutes of my life I can’t have back.

  913. lisab says:

    you understand that taxes are not paid proportionally either right?

    “The share of income earned by the top 1 percent of taxpayers rose to 20.6 percent in 2014. Their share of federal individual income taxes also rose, to 39.5 percent.”

  914. lisab says:

    and you still understand it is their money right?

    as in, not your money …

  915. Proud Obamacon says:

    So you admit you lied when you said “the amount you get back would be in proportion to what you pay in …”

    Good to know… pathetic

  916. lisab says:

    it is in proportion to what the rich pay …

    they make 20% of the income and pay 40% of the taxes

    it just is not in proportion to what you pay … which i would guess is zero

  917. lisab says:

    and you understand that it is their money right?

    you seem not to grasp the idea that it is their money.

  918. Proud Obamacon says:

    So you’re saying the rich pay 40% of taxes, this this bill should give them back 40%. That would be fair and I would be fine with that. But that is simply not the case and it’s not even close.

    Sorry to ruin your made up argument. Please try again.

  919. Proud Obamacon says:

    Not having trouble grasping anything, maybe you are having trouble reading. Try #945 again.

  920. lisab says:

    as you say, the bill does not give them back 40%

    the average middle class family gets a 3 or 4% tax cut AND a doubling of the standard deduction, which is significant for a middle class person.

    the earners in the 1% get a 2.6% tax cut

  921. lisab says:

    you still seem to have a problem grasping that it is their money, not yours.

  922. Proud Obamacon says:

    OK you’re having trouble with the numbers. It’s fine. The fact is that this is a political loser for the Rethugs. It’s a giveaway to themselves, the rich , and their donors. Trickle down has been tried and proven to fail. Nothing more than a scam perpetrated by the wealthy and corporations who I repeat are all doing very very well under the current tax rates.

    They know they are toast in Nov 2018, so they are lining their own pockets and their friends’ pockets.

    $25B cut in Medicare too. Are they even trying to win in Nov 2018? LOL

  923. lisab says:

    this is really sad …

    our current trolls cannot even convince hhr’s token socialist that the dems are correct on tax policy

    there is not even a pretense of marxist philosophy never mind keynesian economics

    what has happened to the gender studies programs at our great universities? it looks like they have been hollowed out.

  924. Proud Obamacon says:

    No I’m not having trouble grasping anything. You seem to be having trouble grasping how the Rethugs have decided to return money to the people. Overwhelming goes to the rich while peanuts go to the middle class. Hmm, and they say this is a middle class tax cut.

    More lies.. and the people know it. 26% approval of this bill. The game is up.

  925. lisab says:

    you’re having trouble with the numbers.
    —————————————-

    hint: 2.6% is less than 3 or 4%

  926. lisab says:

    Overwhelming goes to the rich while peanuts go to the middle class.
    ———————————————–
    they pay most of the taxes, so they get back more, see how that works?

    again, 2.6% is less than 3 or 4%

    plus a doubling of the standard deduction … this is great!

  927. Proud Obamacon says:

    Except that the money returned is not in the same proportion as the money put in. You seem to be having trouble with this. I am repeating myself.

  928. lisab says:

    they put in more … thus when the rates drop, they get more back

    you pay zero … thus you get back zero.

    and you understand that it is THEIR money …

  929. Proud Obamacon says:

    “they put in more … thus when the rates drop, they get more back”
    That’s fine, but they are getting back at a much higher proportion than they put in. I think I’ve said that 4 times now. You can look it up.

    “you pay zero … thus you get back zero.”
    Not true. I get it you’re trying to make me out to be some caricature. Whatever.

    “and you understand that it is THEIR money …”
    I think we’ve been through this 3 times now.

    Enjoy your peanuts. You are the key to the scam. Give most of the money to the rich. Give peanuts to everyone else and hope they are happy with their peanuts.

    Approval rating of the bill 26%. People know what’s happening here. You are free to live in the HHR Bubble.

  930. MichiganGuy says:

    “Boeing told their employees on Wednesday that they will invest more than $300 million on workers and charitable donations thanks to the Republican tax proposal.
    “On behalf of all of our stakeholders, we applaud and thank Congress and the administration for their leadership in seizing this opportunity to unleash economic energy in the United States,” Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg said in a press release. “It’s the single-most important thing we can do to drive innovation, support quality jobs and accelerate capital investment in our country.”
    President Donald Trump cheered his congressional Republican colleagues in a statement on Wednesday after the House passed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. Trump declared, “I promised the American people a big, beautiful tax cut for Christmas. With final passage of this legislation, that is exactly what they are getting. I would like to thank the members of Congress who supported this historic bill, which represents an extraordinary victory for American families, workers, and businesses.
    President Trump concluded, “Unemployment continues to fall, the stock market is at a record high, and wages will soon be on the rise. By cutting taxes and reforming the broken system, we are now pouring rocket fuel into the engine of our economy. America is back to winning again, and we’re growing like never before. There is a great spirit of optimism sweeping across our land. Americans can once again rest assured that our brightest days are still to come.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/20/more-tax-winning-comcast-announces-employee-bonuses-50-billion-in-investment/

  931. lisab says:

    I get it you’re trying to make me out to be some caricature
    ———————————–

    no … you made yourself a caricature

  932. lisab says:

    That’s fine, but they are getting back at a much higher proportion than they put in
    ——————————————–

    no … the marginal tax rate they are being charged is simply going down 2.6%

    their marginal tax rate will be 37%

    so they are putting in 14.23 times what they are getting back

  933. Proud Obamacon says:

    OK Lisa B, I will leave you with this very simple statement.

    83% of the benefits of the tax bill go to the top 1%.

    A fair tax cut bill should return money to all taxpayers at the percentage that they paid in. This does not do that, not even close. It’s a giveaway to the top 1% and the numbers support that without a shadow of a doubt.

    Good night. You are free to reply with your usual platitudes. But facts are facts.

  934. Bitterlaw says:

    Real life dilemma. My firm made a terrible deal to keep a client. That client requires firms to partner with minority or woman owned firms in order to work for it. Most firms agreed to give 5% of their work to he partner firms. My idiot boss gave 20%. He essentially gave away my job and I was laid off.

    The dilemma. I was just offered another job making more money than my old position. However, it is less focused on an area that I like (workers compensation) and more on liability cases (which I can do but can be a pain). The new job does not require billable hours and claims that it expects attorneys to take time off. It is in the suburbs so no City wage tax (3% savings).

    The downside? I will miss working in the city. The new job is in a boring building in an office park. Nowhere to walk around. No walking to city events. No more eating lunch with my wife a few times a month. If the Eagles win the Super Bowl (IF), I can’t go to the parade. The commute is about the same time but highway driving {9 miles more each way with tolls – but no cost to park as opposed to old firm). I also do not have great night vision so during the winter driving on the highway is not ideal. It is not great on local roads so that is a wash.

    If the new job was in Philadelphia, I would accept it with no hesitation. The wage tax was worth the chance to actually be somewhere interesting. My wife says it is a good opportunity. Translation – Take it. No firms in the preferred field are hiring right now.

    I have until Tuesday to decide. The job would not start until January 8. Maybe a miracle will occur and another job will be offered.

  935. Bitterlaw says:

    I forgot to mention the yearly bonus of up to 15%. Wife will kill me if I don’t at least try it.

  936. Redmen4ever says:

    Another thing about those tax cuts:

    Not only are the only people getting tax cuts are taxpayers, but the only people getting wages increases and bonuses are workers.

    The makers are doing well, but what about the takers? Why aren’t the takers getting their fair share?

    What about people who are too good to work? Or who don’t identify themselves as workers? Or are so oppressed by the racist, homophobic, misogynist capitalistic system that they are literally forced to sit on their fat ass watching daytime television and smoke dope all day? Are the Republicans evil or are they that stupid. It’s a proven fact the 4 percent growth of GDP will cause the world to fal apart, literally fall apart. We’ll lose out atmosphere and water and break up into an asteroid belt. Then what will the Koch brothers do?

  937. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #975
    I agree with your spouse on this one!

  938. Tina says:

    Trolls are on a cruise.

    Lol

  939. Tina says:

    Sounds like a great offer, bl.

  940. Bitterlaw says:

    I am odd. Most people want less work and to not work in the city. I am the opposite. Still, an income is preferred to no income.

    I am still pissed at my old boss for making a terrible deal. It may end up costing more people their jobs. I lost out because the other lawyers had been there longer and the newest attorney’s wife just had a baby. They did not want to get rid of him when his wife did not work outside the home

  941. MichiganGuy says:

    2018 Michigan Governor Republican Primary (Strategic National poll)

    Schuette 30% (+11)
    Calley 19%
    Colbeck 5%
    Hines 2%
    Undecided 44%

    2018 Michigan Senate Republican Primary:

    Young 11%
    James 9%
    Pensler 5%
    Undecided 75%

    https://www.scribd.com/document/367611896/MI-Gov-MI-Sen-Strategic-National-R-Dec-2017

  942. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitter, you know your decision will be based on one thing and one thing only. Can I still sit on my a$$ and chat on HHR all day. 🙂

  943. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – It is a factor. However, I don’t post as much during the day as I did. Trump lovers and trolls don’t offer much in the way of discourse. Corey won’t engage me. Robbie is Robbie.

  944. Bitterlaw says:

    I could call Jason to discuss the job. However, he says the Bishop won’t let him use a phone. But computers are ok? Maybe Jason isn’t really Amish at all. WTF?

  945. Tina says:

    Sessions opens investigation into U1.

  946. MichiganGuy says:

    Senator Cochran will step down from the Appropriations chairmanship early next year, or resign from the Senate altogether.

    “The understanding is that he will leave after Jan. 1,” said a Republican senator who serves on the Appropriations Committee. “That’s what most of us believe will happen.”

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/21/mississippi-senate-thad-cochran-future-in-doubt-308157

  947. MichiganGuy says:

    .@SenBobCorker on ‘Corker kickback’: “I’ve never, ever in my life used the word ‘fake news’ until today. I actually understand what it is the President has been dealing with.”

    https://t.co/C858w3Gbq7
    —————————————————————-
    Well,well well. It’s funny how fast Corker changes his tune once the media starts attacking him. 😉

  948. Chicon says:

    Bitter – you’ll make the right choice for your family. From the outside, it looks like you should try it.

    Would the suburban job require court appearances in the city (allowing some city time)?

  949. Chicon says:

    986 – what a colossal waste of time. Robbie has ruled that Uranium One is a Nothing Burger, and that nothing is going to be done with it.

  950. mnw says:

    Chicon

    1 goal in last 4 games.

    IBD (Investor’s Business Daily) has a lead editorial about the new tax law today. Well worth reading.

    Every word the troll posted about it all day yesterday is a willful lie.

  951. DW says:

    “giveaway to themselves”

    Proud Obamaclown still doesn’t grasp it is THEIR money. You cannot have a ‘giveaway’ TO someone who already owns what you claim to give him or her.
    It is the left that for too long has been the thief reaching into other’s pockets to steal what they earned, and then giving it to other people who didn’t earn it.

  952. Marv says:

    DW,

    Good news! Due to the Trump tax cut bill, the Board has approved my request to expand our corporate jet fleet and purchase an additional G-650.

  953. jason says:

    Drudge is giving Trump some nice headlines…

  954. Marv says:

    Jason,

    Merry Christmas to you and your family.

  955. mnw says:

    Troll 2 is an “I want my neighbor’s pig to die!” guy.

    By reducing the corp tax rate to the avg level for other industrialized nations, the new law does something historic— it creates a level playing field, after 30 years of trying & failing to do so.

  956. jason says:

    They picked poor ProudObamaCON to represent the trolls?

    With the tired old Marxist “the rich are evil” BS?

    But we had a breakthrough, he admitted the tax cut returns money people paid in. Most Marxist think its the government’s money.

    And he thinks giving $200k back to someone who makes 50 million a year is more significant than giving $2k back to someone making $50k a year.

  957. Chicon says:

    Mnw – trying times for your Bluz, but from the outside I’d bet the team from early in the season are the real Bluz. Also a bigger playoff threat because there are more guys who can put the biscuit in the basket.

    The Hawks haven’t scored on the power play since the Obama administration despite having three future Hall of Famers on the ice.

    Thanks for the tip on IBD. Robbie will be along shortly to tell us they are not to be relied on….

  958. Chicon says:

    Paging Diamond Jim…..

  959. DW says:

    993 – sounds great!

  960. jason says:

    Hey Bitter. Sorry about your job.

    My advice is to take the job. Nobody expects loyalty these days so you can keep looking for something you like.

    It’s not good in today’s job market to look for a job while in a laid-off status, better to be employed while you look.

    And who knows, you may end up liking the job more than you think.

    In any event, I don’t see a big downside in taking the job, you can always quit or change jobs later.

  961. jason says:

    Bitter, the Bishop doesn’t know about the computer and he is not online like your former boss is, reading your posts where you call him an idiot.

  962. hugh says:

    Obamacon. Because you say it because other dems say it does not make it true. The 1% $450K a year for the most part are getting nothing back or very little depending on their state and local taxes. Most people who are uber rich lets say over 5M earn it capital gains. Which were not changed. C corporation who clearly the dems are trying to lump in to the top 1% are not people and are not pass through entities. It is total BS and they know they lying about it. Now minions like obamacon probably believes it, but he cannot prove it because he knows nothing about taxes.

  963. Cash Cow TM says:

    Hey Bitter,

    I recently put in a good word for you at another firm in the Philly area.

    They are impressed with what I sent them and will soon send you a job offer.

    Have they contacted you yet?

  964. Cash Cow TM says:

    Oh, ok.

    I began reading the thread today and
    see they already contacted you.

    No need to thank the Christmas Cow…

  965. Chicon says:

    1002 – solid advice.

  966. jason says:

    You won’t see this in the MSM… from the Washington Examiner.

    “The Republican tax reform bill begins to undo Obama’s legacy of higher taxes

    Under Democrat control, Americans were hit with tax increases on the ability of families to deduct medical expenses, tax increases on medical devices and prescription medicines, and tax increases on health savings accounts. The Left even imposed taxes on employer-provided and individual health insurance, while imposing a tax for not purchasing health insurance.

    The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act begins to reverse this by repealing this tax penalty, known as the individual mandate, granting additional tax relief to low- and middle-income families by eliminating one of the most regressive taxes in the code. In tax year 2015, 6,665,480 households paid this tax. About 79 percent of these households had annual incomes below $50,000, and 37 percent of households that paid this tax had annual incomes below $25,000.

    Republicans promised to unrig the complex code and reduce taxes for the middle class. Through the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, they are delivering. Under this legislation, families across the country will see strong tax relief and simplification just as President Trump and congressional leaders have promised.”

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-left-is-wrong-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-benefits-the-middle-class/article/2643870

  967. jason says:

    Hey Marv, Merry Xmas and best wishes for a great 2018!

  968. jason says:

    Hey Proud Marxist Con, how is this for “proportionality”?

    “Tom Wong: Single teacher with median earnings of $50,000 per year

    Under the current tax code, Tom pays $5,474 each year in federal income taxes. His tax bill will decline by $1,104, or 20 percent, to $4,370 under the new legislation.

    These tax cuts come primarily from a higher standard deduction of $12,000 and from lower marginal tax rates. Currently, Tom’s marginal tax rate is 25 percent. But under the new bill, his tax rate will be 12 percent.”

    “John and Sarah Jones: Married couple with three children, homeowners, and $75,000 in annual income

    John is a sales representative and earns an average of $55,000 a year. Sarah is a registered nurse. After having children, Sarah cut back to part-time work and she earns $20,000 a year. Under the current tax code, John and Sarah pay $1,753 each year in federal income taxes.

    But under the new tax bill, their tax bill will decline by $2,014, or 115 percent, to $0, plus a refundable credit of $261.

    Even though John and Sarah would have more taxable income under the proposed plans (as a result of not being able to claim personal exemptions), they would still receive a tax cut because they would face lower marginal tax rates and receive larger child tax credits.

    Their current marginal tax rate will decline from 15 percent to 12 percent, while their $3,000 in total child tax credits will double to $6,000.”

    But hey, let’s just whine that the top earners got a 2% break on the highest bracket.

  969. jason says:

    ProudObamaCON posted a lot of fake numbers…

    But you have to consider his sources.

  970. Marv says:

    Is ProudObamacon really Eph?

  971. MichiganGuy says:

    The Tax Cuts Act provides $5.5 trillion in tax cuts, $3.2 trillion, or nearly 60 percent, of which go to families.
    The Tax Cuts Act nearly doubles the standard deduction.
    For individuals, the standard deduction will be increased from $6,500 to $12,000.
    For single parents, the standard deduction will be increased from $9,550 to $18,000.
    For married couples, the standard deduction will be increased from $13,000 to $24,000.
    The vast majority of American families will now be able to file their taxes on a single page because they lower taxes by claiming the standard deduction.
    American families will see their Child Tax Credit doubled to $2,000 per child under age 17.
    Families will receive a new $500 tax credit for dependents age 17 or older.
    The full Child Tax Credit will now be available for families with incomes of up to $200,000 for single households and incomes of up to $400,000 for married households.
    Lower and Middle-Income families will benefit from a 40 percent increase in the refundable portion of the Child Tax Credit.
    The Tax Cuts Act will repeal Obamacare’s burdensome individual mandate.
    The repeal of Obamacare’s individual mandate will provide relief to households with income below $50,000, which made up nearly 80 percent of the households that paid the mandate penalty in 2016.
    The vast majority of family farms and businesses will be exempt from the estate tax.
    Investments in education will be protected under the Tax Cuts Act.
    Families will now be able to use up to $10,000 from 529 college savings accounts on primary and secondary education.
    Tax-free stipends for graduate students will be maintained.
    Student loan interest will continue to be deductible.
    The Tax Cuts Act preserves tax benefits important to American families.
    The Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income workers will be preserved.
    The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit will be preserved.
    The Adoption Expense Tax Credit will be preserved.
    Retirement savings tax benefits will be preserved.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/senator-orrin-hatch-gives-an-emotional-speech-at-white-house-praising-president-trump/

  972. Wobbles says:

    I see a lot of R congress members heaped lavish praise on Trump.

    It must be because he has an “R” after his name….

  973. jason says:

    Is ProudObamacon really Eph?”

    No, just a doctrinaire Marxist still pining away for the old USSR.

    His model economies now reduced to Cuba, North Korea, and Venezuela.

    I think he is trying to sell Marxism on a conservative blog because he is too much of a p-ssy to volunteer to cut sugar cane in Cuba, so he thinks this is something he can do for the cause.

  974. mnw says:

    Are any of the trolls the former CCCP Corey, the Canadian?

  975. jason says:

    Big Joe, on the other hand, doesn’t feel compelled to come here and recite MSM talking points, and is willing to contribute to the discourse.

  976. Chicon says:

    Yes, Wobbles, Trump Chump Syndrome is a bit contagious. Especially after some success.

  977. Tina says:

    Chicon, it actualky is an investigation into the fbis conduct re u 1, but you know rottie said they were not investigating.

  978. Redmen4ever says:

    Another reason Trump must be impeached: he is breaking the law of economics that the United States cannot grow by 4 percent. Politifact, which is an objective, honest to goodness truth-broker from the mainstream media point of view, proved this. Even 3 percent is not really possible. You can only achieve 3 percent growth “sporadically.” Even trying to achieve 4 percent growth is ludicrous. We should just accept that the future will be a continuation of the Bush-Obama years of stagnation, endless war and growing divisiveness. Making America Great Again is like telling people to believe in Santa Claus. Adults know there is no Santa Claus and that Capitalism doesn’t work and that it’s better to have an honest communist system than try to get ahead as a wage-slave.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/may/26/why-economists-are-skeptical-us-can-grow-3-percent/

  979. jason says:

    No I thin Kory the math challenged Kommie is too traumatized by Trump’s win to come back.

    After gloating here for months and enjoying our infighting and distress about Trump, and predicting a landslide for Hillary, he just couldn’t bear to come back.

    However, it looks like a big win for the Dems in 2018 he might come back.

    Meanwhile, Gorsuch for SCOTUS and a tax cut must be terrible blows to him. If I thought he was lurking here I would post the Canadian Suicide Hotline number.

  980. Tina says:

    Will mika joe scarfarce donate their $2000 bonus to a drat cause?

  981. Tina says:

    PAUL: “But then you also have the Department of Justice where you have a high-ranking official whose wife works for the group doing opposition research on Trump being paid for by the Democrat National Committee, that sounds like a lot of high-ranking people colluding to try to prevent Donald Trump from being president. You know, we’ve had this investigation about Russian collusion, maybe we need an investigation about high-ranking Obama officials colluding to try to prevent Trump from being president. That’s more serious than even Watergate.”

    The rs have been in message lately about the russian hoax.

  982. Tina says:

    https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/sen-tim-scott-shuts-racist-liberal/

    Good for senator scott, he shut down the racist reporter. He called scott a prop.

  983. jason says:

    Even if it was 100% verified that there was collusion to try to keep Trump from winning, Wobbie would not be outraged.

    He wants the results of the election overturned no matter what.

    The ends justify the means.

  984. jason says:

    Yeah, that was a great answer by Scott.

  985. Chicon says:

    1025 – yep, and the derangement level is clear, given that Trump has accomplished the two most important issues on Wobbles’s priorities list.

  986. jason says:

    Wobbie hardest hit… some of his allies forced to admit Trump’s first year was not a failure after all..

    Howard Kurtz

    “I have sensed for weeks now that some in the media were on the verge of rolling out a contrary take on President Trump’s first year in office.

    And in the wake of yesterday’s final passage of massive tax cuts, that moment has arrived.

    The dominant media narrative, of course, is that Trump hasn’t gotten much done, that he’s in over his head, that he doesn’t understand government, that he keeps picking petty fights rather than winning big battles.

    But the thing about the pundits is that they get tired of pushing the same line, week after week, month after month. Some inevitably want to seize credit for a new insight, for getting ahead of the pack with a burst of contrarian wisdom.

    And that hot take is, hey, maybe Trump has gotten some important things done after all.

    It’s true that the president had not gotten much from the Republican Congress this year. But a new law that cuts taxes for businesses and individuals—even though the measure polls poorly and is not mainly aimed at the middle class—puts an end to the verdict that Trump doesn’t know how to work the Hill

    and…

    “Like On Axios, Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen stake out the new ground:

    “The media often appraises presidencies and politics through liberal-tinted glasses. But the vast majority of the Republican Party like, even love, these policies …

    “We have been saying all year: Watch what he does, not what he says. Until recently, he hasn’t done much. But these wins are substantial, with consequences for millions of people and many years to come.”

  987. Wobbles says:

    “But the thing about the pundits is that they get tired of pushing the same line, week after week, month after month.”

    Speak for yourself, a-hole, I am NOT tired.

  988. DW says:

    Near the top of the list of Trump accomplishments was how he single-handedly did what none of us here on HHR could do…he permanently chased away Cory the Canadian Communist.

    Has to be right up there with the Gorsuch appointment.

  989. Chicon says:

    Wobbie will be very displeased that Axios – previously on his good list – has succumbed to Trump Chump Syndrome.

  990. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Let’s not forget that the GOP tax legislation literally guts ObamaCare via the non-enforcement provision regarding the Individual Mandate.
    A TWOFER in one bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  991. Tina says:

    Threefer

    Anwr.

    Drill baby drill in alaska.

    40 years in the making.

  992. Tina says:

    It was senator cotton that killed obumblecare, by killing the mandate.

  993. Bitterlaw says:

    Thanks, folks. I will take it and see how it goes. It just shocked me to be let go after 6 1/2 years. I was beyond loyal. I used to come in when it snowed and shovel the sidewalks so the firm would not be sued. I usually opened up in the morning and closed the office at night. Unfortunately, they were not going to fire the employment law specialist, a woman in her 50s, or the veteran. My supervisor was not firing himself.

    I will have court in the city and other areas so travel will keep me out of the office.

  994. Bitterlaw says:

    There is no loyalty to employees anymore. I heard that Walt has been checking the beef prices since Cash Cow asked for higher quality feed.

  995. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    Your quandary reminds me of this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6g4DVviKZE

    Of course, I don’t know if you could wear that same hat…….

  996. NYCmike says:

    Same clothes…..still don’t see you in that hat…..

  997. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    One thing I did notice: your wife will not miss those monthly lunches…..she really took it personally when she was left out of your Top 3!

  998. NYCmike says:

    By the way, Good luck!

    The new company will benefit from having you!

  999. mnw says:

    BL

    Sincere best wishes for good job hunting. Network of friends + word of mouth = leads, hopefully.

  1000. Chicon says:

    1035 – good deal. I hope it goes well. Regarding the old joint – you can only control what you can control; sounds like you can be happy with the guy in the mirror.

    Now GFY.

  1001. Waingro says:

    Bitterlaw, that’s a tough position to be in but happy to see you at least have a solid landing to fall on. Best of luck.

  1002. mnw says:

    I suspect very few remember troll WBH (Wet Back Haitian). He was employed by DHS in the DC area somewhere (notice. I didn’t say ‘worked for DHS’), and he used to joke about how it was easy for him to post here all day long.

    He was a zero to 60 poster— 70 posts a day, & then poof! Disappeared himself. He convinced me that he really WAS employed full time at DHS, btw.

  1003. MichiganGuy says:

    Castro had announced that he would retire at the end of his two terms on Feb. 24, the original date of the election of the new National Assembly.

    But Cuba watchers had speculated that he would stay in his post longer.

    An economy in recession, the hardening of U.S. sanctions and the diplomatic crisis stemming from health attacks on U.S. diplomats in Havana set the stage for Castro’s extended term, analysts and Cuban dissidents recently told the Herald.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article190998519.html
    —————————————————————–
    No more Castros no wonder Robbie is depressed. #MCGA

  1004. Albert Hodges says:

    President Trump is Making America Great Again!

    Trump/Pence 2020…because we STILL are not tired of winning yet!

  1005. jason says:

    Good decision Bitter.

    And btw, can sue the heck out of old firm?

    Sounds to me the got rid of you because you are diabetic…?

  1006. jason says:

    Hmm.. that was supposed to be a smiley face, not a question mark.

  1007. mnw says:

    None of our authoritarian adversaries have any popular support, as far as I know. Hitler DID, but the mullahs & the dear leader DON’T.

    If you can wait these zombie regimes out… it worked with the USSR, Ceaucescu in Romania,

  1008. MichiganGuy says:

    Voters See A Brighter Future for America Again

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that, when thinking about the nation in the context of history, 43% of Likely U.S. Voters now think America’s best days are in the future, while 36% think they’re in the past. Twenty-one percent (21%) are undecided.

    http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/america_s_best_days

  1009. Wobbles says:

    I am too busy sulking today to congratulate Trump and the R Trump Chumps for passing the tax bill, it’s just a distraction we could do without.

    But I will be back tomorrow to talk about the Mika face tweet.

    I figure I will let you guys enjoy this small detail and tomorrow we can start again on the important matters… Russia, Mika’s face, Ivanka’s dress…

  1010. Redmen4ever says:

    Hey guys, the prison lawyer inside me says removing the individual mandate makes the whole kit and kiboodle of Obamacare unconstitutional. Remember Chief Justice Roberts in a 1-8 decision (4 dissents concurring in his ruling) ruled that Obamacare passed constitutional muster BECAUSE IT WAS A TAX.

  1011. Wobbles says:

    You remember how during 2012 I kept the focus on the important matters too.

    Romney’s dog on roof, his wife’s horse, the elevator, Bain capital, the caddies, the 47% comment…

    We certainly didn’t want to talk about Obama’s socialist agenda.

    I am very consistent.

  1012. jason says:

    ruled that Obamacare passed constitutional muster BECAUSE IT WAS A TAX.”

    Well, don’t want to be a wet blanket but I think the ruling pertained to the individual mandate, not the whole bill. In other words was the individual mandate constitutional. If Congress repeals the tax, I don’t see how it makes the rest unconstitutional.

  1013. jason says:

    In contracts, there is usually a clause that says if one of the provisions is ruled null and void, the rest of the provisions are still in effect.

    I don’t know if there is such a thing in the bill, but I would imagine the same logic prevails.

  1014. MichiganGuy says:

    U.S. home sales climb 5.6% in November to 11-year high

    Americans purchased homes at the fastest pace in nearly 11 years, as sales climbed 5.6% in November.

    The National Association of Realtors said Wednesday that sales of existing homes rose last month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.81 million units. Home sales were last this strong in December 2006, when properties sold at an annual pace of 6.42 million.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/real-estate/2017/12/20/u-s-home-sales-climb-5-6-november-11-year-high/968701001/

    #MAGA #WINNING

  1015. Redmen4ever says:

    good point, Jason. That case was litigated by people who objected to the individual mandate but they sought a expansive ruling. It’s not even clear how somebody could get into court. Perhaps somebody in a county that doesn’t even have 1 Obama-complaint plan, who would like to buy health insurance, could make an argument.

  1016. NYCmike says:

    Robbie being made fun of, but “CG” nowhere to be found to defend him….are they on safari together?

  1017. NYCmike says:

    Home sales close to 2006 highs…..what happened after 2006?

    I wonder if Michael Burry is holed up looking at mortgage bonds again……

  1018. Tina says:

    Mccabe was a friendly witness to the drats on the committee.

    Much like the jebots are friendly backers of Her Thighness.

  1019. Tina says:

    So, lil ben rhodes wishes death on 3 republicans,

    Nice.

  1020. Paul says:

    I would think that the Dems should wait until they get both CHIP and Healthcare subsidies before voting for the C.R.

    If the Republicans wanted to they have enough votes by themselves.

  1021. Paul says:

    I am personally hopeful that there won’t be a huge impact on insurance markets by removal of the mandate.

    Sadly, it may be poorer and sicker people who choose not to have insurance. That may be due to short-sightedness and immediate financial problems. As tragic as that may be, it won’t effect the market.

    What do others think?

  1022. NYCmike says:

    Paul,

    The premiums for my family have gone thru the roof. Obamacare did NOTHING to stop rising premiums, in fact it made it worse!

    Scrap the whole thing and start over!

  1023. Tina says:

    Looks like the never trumpers are fading quickly.

    Just look at hatch and now mitchie.

    They are stronger together,mthan apart.

    I noticed the rs dealong better with muh russian and have de fanged mulehead and focused on the fbi misdeeds.

  1024. Cash Cow TM says:

    Bitter,

    You are a smart cookie.
    You can adjust just fine to the new job.

    Spread your wings…

  1025. Cash Cow TM says:

    Bitter,

    You are a smart cookie.
    You can adjust just fine to the new job.

    Spread your wings…

  1026. NYCmike says:

    Lawyers have wings……no wonder they are so…Flighty!

  1027. Cash Cow TM says:

    DW,

    Update your list…

    “SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Three opera singers and a classical musician say that world-renowned conductor Charles Dutoit sexually assaulted them — physically restraining them, forcing his body against theirs, sometimes thrusting his tongue into their mouths, and in one case, sticking one of their hands down his pants.”

  1028. lisab says:

    They picked poor ProudObamaCON to represent the trolls?

    With the tired old Marxist “the rich are evil” BS?

    But we had a breakthrough, he admitted the tax cut returns money people paid in.
    —————————————

    it is WORSE than that!

    the 83% of the benefits go to the rich is actually a dem PROJECTION for the news

    BUT

    assumes that the tax cuts will make the economy BOOM

    which will cause stocks to RISE

    and since stocks will rise the wealthy will benefit.

    NO PROFESSIONAL TROLL admits that the economy will do better with the tax cuts!

    if the economy is booming then middle class jobs will be safe and people will be able to put money into 401k’s and get rich

    gender study programs just are not what the used to be! we nedd to protest to the dnc …

    chekote would roll over in her grave if she saw a troll admitting to a better economy!

  1029. NYCmike says:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rand-paul-obama-administration-against-trump-might-be-worse-than-watergate/article/2644139

    -Uh Oh!

    Will the “TRUMP CHUMP BRIGADE” stick together with Paul-bots on board?

    Or go make common cause with the JEB!2016-bots?

  1030. lisab says:

    waaaaaaaaaaaaaah … these tax cuts will make the economy better!!!!!!!!!!

    these trolls don’t even know their history …

    jfk famously said that a rising tide lifts all boats …

    maybe if they were not studying about 72 genders these trolls might open a history or economics book

  1031. lisab says:

    Looks like the never trumpers are fading quickly.
    ——————

    it is sinking in how big this tax deal is.

    they still hate trump

    they just see the writing on the wall. michigan, minnesota, and wisconsin are all now solid purple and ohio is probably light red because of this.

    if michigan and ohio go red, the dems have a serious problem.

  1032. lisab says:

    The premiums for my family have gone thru the roof.
    —————————-

    not if paul doesn’t work … then it was free!

    when i left illinois, before we got jobs in ny, i was unemployed in massachusetts for 6 months or so.

    my insurance was freeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! it was great!

  1033. lisab says:

    now it is $20k, since i work

  1034. lisab says:

    Robbie being made fun of, but “CG” nowhere to be found to defend him….are they on safari together?
    ——————

    “funny” how they always appear together

  1035. jason says:

    It’s a great day for deadenders!

    According to Drudge, Bannon is planning to run for President.

  1036. NYCmike says:

    On the Evan McMuffin line?

  1037. NYCmike says:

    Last I checked, “deadenders” voted for Trump on the Republican line……REAL Republicans either stayed home or voted for someone else.

  1038. NYCmike says:

    Some

  1039. NYCmike says:

    before REAL

  1040. lisab says:

    bitterlaw,

    don’t be an idiot, take the job

    or …

    you risk becoming like proud obamacon … dreaming of more welfare … waiting every month for your foodstamp balance to be restocked, smoking weed all day … it is not easy at your age

  1041. lisab says:

    being a dem troll is a young basement dweller’s game

  1042. Bitterlaw says:

    Sounds to me the got rid of you because you are diabetic…?

    I think it was because I was an A-hole. The a-hole who ran the firm could not handle a major league A-hole.

  1043. Bitterlaw says:

    Of course, the old boss said I had to sign a release to get a severance package. Hmmmm. He never sent me one. Let him sweat for 2 years. I have not intention of suing but he does not know that.

  1044. Bitterlaw says:

    In contracts, there is usually a clause that says if one of the provisions is ruled null and void, the rest of the provisions are still in effect.

    I don’t know if there is such a thing in the bill, but I would imagine the same logic prevails.

    There is usually a provision that the remaining language is “severable” and can remain in effect. However, a court could hold that the removal of the mandate is unconstitutional (don’t see how) or that without the mandate, the entire law collapses. Who knows what would happen in a court challenge but I feel better with Gorsuch on the bench if it goes that far.

  1045. Tina says:

    I like mcmuffin because he likes hillary.

    Jebot

  1046. CG says:

    I was posting here the day before yesterday. What does that have to do with Robbie? When last I saw Robbie, we were disagreeing about Harriet Miers.

  1047. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw and other law fans – The result of the Trial of the Century yesterday was that my client won. It was an odd Hearing. I was prepared and ready to go. The judge’s secretary came in when the trial was ready to start and said that the Plaintiff wanted him to read a note from her that she was too busy to appear at trial and to continue it. She was in the building but did not even have the courtesy to come in to the courtroom. The Judge asked me what I wanted to do. I asked for a Judgment for the Defendant. Granted.

  1048. Tgca says:

    Per Newsmax

    I wonder if DC jurors would feel the same if it were Obama’s Inauguration. Hmmm…

    Jury Acquits 6 in Rioting, Property Destruction From Trump Inauguration

    One juror outside the courtroom told two of the defendants they should have been applauded instead of prosecuted, the Examiner reported.

    “The jury as a whole believes it’s a legal act to attend a protest where vandalism occurs,” the juror said, according to the Examiner.

    “There was no significant evidence in my mind other than the attendance of the defendants at the rally,” the juror said in the report.Acquits 6 in Rioting, Property Destruction From Trump Inauguration

  1049. Tgca says:

    I’m glad Bitter has found another opportunity, as I do not relish the thought of my tax dollars supporting some guy on welfare who posts on HHR all day. It’s bad enough Author got paid by his company to do nothing all day but post so we want to set a better example.

  1050. Tgca says:

    It has come to my attention that Bitter has been less than totally truthful about the REAL reason he is switching jobs.

    Apparently, a male college intern from a local PA university claims he was harassed by Bitter and taunted for wearing a salmon colored jacket.

    Sources state Bitter vehemently denied the allegations, grabbed his cardigan sweater from his office, and told all to GFY, as he stampeded out the door.

  1051. Bitterlaw says:

    I vehemently deny these scandalous accusations. I do not own a cardigan sweater. The stuff about the sports coat? Yeah. It seemed odd that any guy – straight or gay – under the age of 70 would wear that.

  1052. jason says:

    Well, how much is the severance package? Are you forfeiting it?

  1053. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1092. “The judge’s secretary came in when the trial was ready to start and said that the Plaintiff wanted him to read a note from her that she was too busy to appear at trial and to continue it. She was in the building but did not even have the courtesy to come in to the courtroom. The Judge asked me what I wanted to do. I asked for a Judgment for the Defendant. Granted.”

    It is too bad the judge could not grant you attorney’s fees.

  1054. Bitterlaw says:

    MC

  1055. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – it was only a few weeks. He paid me when I left. I will be surprised if that firm is still open in a year.

  1056. jason says:

    Last I checked, “deadenders” voted for Trump on the Republican line……REAL Republicans either stayed home or voted for someone else.”

    Sorry, that dog won’t hunt.

    90% of Republicans ended up voting for Trump. If they hadn’t, he would have lost.

    The deadenders probably split their vote between Trump and Gary Johnson.

  1057. jason says:

    Just a few weeks? Sure, make him sweat.

    If it was a lot of money I would take the cash and let him sleep well.

  1058. Bitterlaw says:

    To get attorney fees, I would have to have charged my client AND sue the plaintiff for abuse of civil proceedings. We just want her to go away.

    I did not charge my friend for my time. I was not working anyway. It kept me busy.

  1059. NYCmike says:

    “The deadenders probably split their vote between Trump and Gary Johnson.”

    -I don’t believe that……the 10% were “Republicans” like “CG” and Robbie, and those that stayed home, like you.

  1060. jason says:

    I do not relish the thought of my tax dollars supporting some guy on welfare”

    Yeah, I wish you would stop funding Bunu, Proud ObamaCON and Soccer Moron.

    Yeah, I know, you might want to build in someone’s basement.

  1061. CG says:

    I didn’t stay home. I voted and wrote in Evan McMullin.

  1062. CG says:

    It’s always funny to be criticized for not voting for Trump by those who refused to vote for McCain and Romney against Obama.

  1063. jason says:

    nd those that stayed home, like you.”

    I didn’t stay home, GFY.

    But yes, I was part of the 10% of Rs that didn’t vote for the top of the ticket.

    Luckily for Trump, a lot of people like Bitter held their nose and voted for him. If they hadn’t, he would have lost given the narrow margins in PA and MI.

  1064. jason says:

    I was going to vote for Daffy Duck until I found out it was complicated to write someone in.

  1065. jason says:

    But, if Trump is the best option for a R win in 2020 I will vote for him next time around.

  1066. jason says:

    Like I have said many times before, I like him a lot more as President than I did as candidate.

    I couldn’t think of anything I could support him on as a candidate, but there is plenty to support him as President.

    Some people can’t make the transition.

  1067. CG says:

    For the record, I will not vote for Donald Trump for any office for any reason even if his opponent is Beelzebub himself.

  1068. CG says:

    Depending on his position on the Iran Deal, Beelzebub would likely be a more acceptable choice to vote for than whomever the Democrats might nominate.

    Thankfully, there will be multiple choices and hopefully Trump will not be on any ballot.

  1069. CG says:

    “I couldn’t think of anything I could support him on as a candidate, but there is plenty to support him as President.”

    When you allow yourself to keep taking bites of that turd sandwich…

  1070. NYCmike says:

    “It’s always funny to be criticized for not voting for Trump by those who refused to vote for McCain and Romney against Obama.”

    -Which person did that?

  1071. NYCmike says:

    “When you allow yourself to keep taking bites of that turd sandwich…”

    -Well, that says a lot about this person’s reasoning skillzzzzzzzzzzzzz…….

  1072. CG says:

    plenty of them.

    For instance, janz said during the campaign that those who opposed Trump were like those who “fought against the Founding Fathers” even after she had spoken in length in the past about how she and her husband left the Republican Party over Romney.

  1073. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump supported Israel’s capitol being in Jerusalem. Hillary would have supported moving it to Manhattan.

  1074. NYCmike says:

    “CG” has more animus against Trump than he has ever had against Obama, a President who was and still is anti-Israel.

  1075. NYCmike says:

    Not to mention Obama being anti-capitalist as well, which I would also classify as anti-American.

  1076. jason says:

    “Ilegal immigrant Dreamers said they have been betrayed by Democratic leaders who failed to force a government shutdown showdown this week over demands to pass a legalization bill by the end of the year.:

    Huh, Dreamers, the Democrats only care about you if they can use you politically.

    They are not really your friends.

    You are more likely to get a deal with Trump than you ever were with Obama.

  1077. CG says:

    Trump is a worse person than Obama, so it’s easier. Nonetheless, I was proud to vote against Obama three times and I would always vote against him for anything again.

    Obama was horrid on Israel, but nonetheless it is a fact that He and Hillary and everybody who ran in both parties has said that Jerusalem is Israel’s capital.

    The embassy is not actually moving at the moment, so what Trump said is more symbolic than anything else. Schumer pushed him to do it, the guy that NYC Buttafuco said should be toxic for any Republican to associate with. Trump’s not going to be any less acceptable to me because of that or any other “issue.”

  1078. jason says:

    For instance, janz said during the campaign that those who opposed Trump were like those who “fought against the Founding Fathers”

    Yep, and I called her on it.

    But the world has moved on.

  1079. CG says:

    I would also point out that in three elections, I voted for Obama’s main opponent (even Alan Freakin’ Keyes) while I did not vote for Trump’s main opponent because I considered her unacceptable too, so none of that speaks to me being some sort of “Obama fan.”

  1080. CG says:

    and even when Obama took a position I agreed with, such as support for TPP, did not mean I was going to force myself to “make a transition” into thinking he deserved praise.

  1081. NYCmike says:

    “For instance, janz said during the campaign that those who opposed Trump were like those who “fought against the Founding Fathers””

    -She wrote more than that one line, and when taken in context it made more sense.

    But you two can act like the MSM if you like…..

  1082. CG says:

    Yeah, she also said that those who opposed Trump were like the enemies of America in foreign countries. Then, she went on a bit about the “Bilderbergers.”

    To her credit though, she eventually conceded that I had the right to follow my conscience.

  1083. jason says:

    Trump is a worse person than Obama,”

    Yeah, like Hillary is a non-ideological compromiser.

    Obama is a pathological liar and con man, he is not “better” than Trump in ANY respect. Neither is Hillary, a corrupt low life who is not fit to be dog catcher.

    I am not a Trump fan, but I always rejected the notion he was worse than Hillary.

    I didn’t think he was fit for the office, just like I didn’t think Obama or Hillary were, so I didn’t vote for any of them.

    But Obama won, I supported him where I could like the fact he didn’t run away from Afghanistan. But there was not much I could support him on.

    There is a lot more I can support with Trump. I don’t have to like him as a person to do that.

    But “worse” than Obama as a person? No.

  1084. CG says:

    Now, NYC, are you going to tell us if you voted for McCain and/or Romney or is that something that you will keep to yourself, like your views on age of consent laws?

  1085. CG says:

    Trump is the worst human to ever be President as far as I am concerned.

  1086. NYCmike says:

    I do not recall janz ever mentioning the Bilderbergers……and once again, “CG” does NOT use the archives to prove his points…..TYPICAL HACK.

  1087. CG says:

    During the campaign, I reposted her post when the Bilderbergers were mentioned several times.

  1088. NYCmike says:

    The archives are there, “CG”.

    And I am pretty sure you can figure out when Election Day was in 2012 and 2008.

    So, there you have it.

  1089. NYCmike says:

    If you re-posted it several times, it should be easy to find……

  1090. CG says:

    I remember you refused to vote for McCain and I think you said you held your nose to vote for Romney.

  1091. NYCmike says:

    Wrong on both counts.

  1092. CG says:

    It would take at least an hour to find, but I could do it, (perhaps over Xmas) if you will make it worth my while via charity.

  1093. CG says:

    So, what did you do then? Did I get it backwards?

  1094. NYCmike says:

    “Wrong on both counts.” x2

  1095. CG says:

    How hard is it to say who you voted for?

  1096. jason says:

    Obama was elected on false pretenses and debased the office of the Presidency for 8 years. He had no respect for the rule of law or the Constitution. He skirted both the law and Congress with the help of his MSM allies. He never stood up for America, only apologized for it. He filled the departments and agencies with people appointed for ideology, not competency.

    Worst President in my lifetime, the verdict on Trump will be known in 3 years. Or 7.

  1097. jason says:

    I voted for McCain and Romney and every R nominee before them since I was eligible to vote.

  1098. jason says:

    She wrote more than that one line, and when taken in context it made more sense.”

    Zzzzzz… what other context was there?

    It didn’t make any sense unless you agree that if you didn’t support Trump you must have been against the Founding Fathers. That is what she said.

    It was one of the stupidest comments of the election season, and I certainly didn’t let janz off the hook for it.

    Since then we have found a lot of things to agree on, and she was certainly more correct than I was about Trump’s chances and the mood of the electorate.

  1099. CG says:

    same, and for every other contested office that has ever appeared on my ballot.. aka every single Republican but Trump.
    I wish NYC would just say whom, if anyone. he voted for in 2008 and 2012, but it must be too tough of a question.

  1100. jason says:

    NYC, in fairness to Corey I have not seen him “rail against the tax cuts”.

  1101. Tgca says:

    1144

    Does that iblyde Abe Lincoln?

  1102. Tina says:

    See, see, i really like hillary.

    Jebot.

  1103. Tina says:

    Is he worse that groper 41, tricky dickay, bj, andrew jackson?

  1104. Tgca says:

    I will stick to my recommendation that we include Trump on Mt. Rushmore. The greatest! EVER!!! …and that includes you Ali.

  1105. Tina says:

    I could not get past the dog on the station wagon and my idea of a broken up convention.

    Jebot.

  1106. Tina says:

    Yeah, kudos to trump. Year 1 very conservative administration. Maybe even slighly more than reagans first year, or equal to it?

    Def. more conservstive than groper 41 or mute 43 kkuxk,ppppp

    K

  1107. jason says:

    I have moved on from the campaign, but I don’t like to revise History.

    I was wrong about a lot of things during the campaign, I admit to it. I didn’t think Trump could be nominated or win the election (until close to the election, when I started giving him a chance). And I didn’t think if he won he would appoint conservatives to positions of power.

    Others could do the same and move on.

  1108. Tina says:

    er Lair”
    @NolteNC
    The left-wing @Politico told us Trump repealed Obamacare but then changed its mind the next day because Trump said he did…

    Life moves pretty fast, as does fake news…

    Politico called it the stealth repeal, but changed their minds, once trump said he effecftivelyrepealed it.

  1109. Tina says:

    We got tax increases and a thousand points of usless spending under gropee and nclb and medicare part d and unfinished wars under mute.

  1110. jason says:

    I think GHWB was a good President notwithstanding.

    He did a great job on the first gulf war and would have done a stellar job if he had gone all the way to Baghdad (yes, I know, his coalition was contingent upon not doing that).

    He certainly would have been better than Bill Clinton.

  1111. jason says:

    “Politico told us Trump repealed Obamacare but then changed its mind the next day because Trump said he did…”

    LOL

  1112. jason says:

    Corey, I never heard NYC say he didn’t vote for McCain or Romney.

    I know wes didn’t vote for GWB.

  1113. lisab says:

    How hard is it to say who you voted for?
    —————————————–

    we no longer have a secret ballot?

  1114. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    Of course I voted for McCain/Palin, and I definitely voted FOR Romney, as I came to like him more and more over the duration of the campaign.

    Looking back on both of those campaigns, neither one fought hard (or dirty) enough, were much too frightened by the media, and were too friendly towards Democrats, who have shown themselves, especially in the last year, to truly be enemies of the citizens of the United States (Russia/Uranium 1 deal, Iran deal, the more recent findings about letting that Hamas guy go, IRS dealings, etc).

  1115. NYCmike says:

    Did Wes vote for McCain?

  1116. lisab says:

    “Given its tendency to be forum for anti-Semitism & anti-Americanism, reevaluation of US role as single largest donor to #UN is long overdue.” JEB!

    i guess he is running again

  1117. NYCmike says:

    “I wish NYC would just say whom, if anyone. he voted for in 2008 and 2012,”

    -All of a sudden my comments are NEED-TO-KNOW-INFO…..ANOTHER TRUMP MIRACLE!*

    *But Trump is a WEALLY BAD PERSON!

  1118. NYCmike says:

    JEB!2017 is starting to sound like President Trump…..”CG” will find him to be a wonderful President!

  1119. Trump says:

    “CG says:
    December 21, 2017 at 5:36 pm

    Trump is the worst human to ever be President as far as I am concerned.”

    Says more about you than Trump, as@wipe.

  1120. Trump says:

    63m plus voted for Trump.

    Suck it, losers,.

  1121. jason says:

    Mexico abstained from the resolution. But our great ally France voted yes.

    Haley invited the 64 countries that did not vote against the US to a reception.

  1122. Trump says:

    “Tgca says:
    December 21, 2017 at 6:11 pm

    I will stick to my recommendation that we include Trump on Mt. Rushmore. The greatest! EVER!!! …and that includes you Ali.”

    Just the hair.

    That will make America great again.

  1123. Trump says:

    “Jorge Ramos Says He’s Now Having the ‘Worst Time’ of His Life in U.S. ”

    Tax reform, and this too?

    Who is tired of winning?

  1124. NYCmike says:

    https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/12/21/another-disturbing-v-a-story-dumps-more-cold-water-on-single-payer-cheerleaders/

    -“CG” says “Trump is the worst human to ever be President as far as I am concerned.” yet would have stood by and allowed Hillary to become President, which would have GUARANTEED INTO THE FUTURE more of this type of government action.

    At the least, “CG” should give Trump credit for trying to stop cr*p like this from happening, BUT that would mean “CG” would have to agree with what jason said about Hillary and Obama being worse people than Trump.

  1125. Trump says:

    2016 elections are over, losers.

    Trump fu*cked a lot of you, that magnificent bast$ard!

    Move on.

  1126. Bitterlaw says:

    To her credit though, she eventually conceded that I had the right to follow my conscience.

    Zzzzzzzz. That is like giving her credit for saying that the sun rises in the East.

  1127. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is the worst human to ever be President as far as I am concerned.

    Worse than the ones who owned slaves?

  1128. lisab says:

    Trump is the worst human to ever be President as far as I am concerned.
    —————————-

    this is the dems argument for every election. no longer can you just have a different opinion or ideas about how to govern the country

    now the opponent is evil, so if you support them you are also evil

    and thus you must be destroyed. no compromise is possible with an evil person.

  1129. lisab says:

    soooooooo … do i still get my tax relief if trump’s approval rating is below 40% …

    i do?

    sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!

  1130. lisab says:

    still loving the tax cuts!

  1131. lisab says:

    dems, trolls and media: russia russia russia mueller mueller muller daca daca daca etc.

    everyone else: don’t care, got a tax cut!

  1132. MichiganGuy says:

    2019 Mississippi Governor (MasonDixon)

    Hood (D) 43% (+6)
    Reeves (R) 37%

    2019 Mississippi Governor Republican Primary:
    Reeves 37% (+19)
    Fitch 18%

    https://www.scribd.com/document/367675621/Mason-Dixon-MS-Poll-Part-2

  1133. jason says:

    Maybe Jorge Ramos and Proud ObamaCON can get a discount on the flight to Cuba by booking together.

  1134. jason says:

    “Trump is the worst human to ever be President as far as I am concerned.”

    Zzzzzzzzz………

    Obama was the worst President in my lifetime as far as I am concerned.

  1135. lisab says:

    lbj of all people … who was reprehensible himself

    and was openly racist

    referred to what the kennedys were doing as murder incorporated — for all the people they ordered assassinated in south america and the carribean

    rfk was openly anti-semitic

    jfk was a drug user, and cheated on his wife openly while in the white house

    and that is just since ww2

    trump is not even in the top 10 worst presidents either in accomplishments or in bad character

  1136. Bitterlaw says:

    I think Carter was the worst President of my lifetime. LBJ was awful but I was 11 months old when he left office so I have no memory of him.

  1137. lisab says:

    at least 12 presidents owned slaves

    and

    at least that many had mistresses

    and

    at least 5 had children out of wedlock

    up to 5 are rumored to have been in the kkk, although those are only rumors

    certainly at least 5 had some ties to them

  1138. lisab says:

    lbj is the only known president to have more mistresses than jfk

  1139. Tgca says:

    Are we shaming our presidents now? The past is the past and we can’t change it, but hey, I’ll play too in the shame game.

    Taft was the fattest president.

  1140. lisab says:

    Are we shaming our presidents now?
    ——————————–

    no just dem trolls who think history began on nov. 8, 2016

  1141. Tgca says:

    1159

    What? Wes did not vote for GWB?
    Why? GWB is the 2nd greatest GOP POTUS since Clinton.

  1142. MichiganGuy says:

    Do you approve or disapprove of President Trump’s plan to cut taxes:

    Approve 49%
    Disapprove 41%

    Generic Congressional Ballot:

    Democrats 45% (+1)
    Republicans 44%

    Trump Job Approval:

    Approve 45%
    Disapprove 53%

    http://mclaughlinonline.com/2017/12/20/december-national-survey-results/
    ————————————————————————————————-
    Once people start seeing the change in their paychecks thanks to the Tax Cuts I suspect these numbers will go up even more.

  1143. MichiganGuy says:

    2018 California Senate GE (Berkeley IGS Poll)

    Feinstein (D) 41% (+14)
    De Leon (D) 27%
    Other/Undecided 32%

    2018 California Governor Primary:

    Newsom (D) 26% (+9)
    Villaraigosa (D) 17%
    Cox (R) 9%
    Allen (R) 9%
    Chiang (D) 5%
    Eastin (D) 5%
    Other/Undecided 29%

    http://news.berkeley.edu/story_jump/poll-finds-which-candidates-voters-favor-for-californias-june-2018-primary/
    ————————————————————————————————–
    RIP CAGOP

  1144. Wes says:

    Amazingly Jason knows nonfacts about my voting history:

    jason says:
    December 21, 2017 at 6:30 pm
    Corey, I never heard NYC say he didn’t vote for McCain or Romney.

    I know wes didn’t vote for GWB.

    Indeed I did vote for GWB twice. However, given his absolute disaster known euphemistically as a presidency, I wish I could have either vote back so I could vote for Gore or Kerry.

  1145. MichiganGuy says:

    Dick Enberg found dead at home at age 82

    “Long recognized as one of the most versatile and enthusiastic sports announcer of his era, Enberg did it all: major league baseball, college and pro football, college basketball, boxing, tennis, golf, Olympics, Rose Bowls and Super Bowls, Breeders’ Cup horse racing — earning a trophy case full of Emmys, awards from the pro football, basketball and baseball halls of fame, niches in several broadcasting halls of fame and other assorted honors.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/sportscaster-dick-enberg-found-dead-at-home-at-age-82/ar-BBH8qa2?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

    RIP Dick Enberg

  1146. Tina says:

    Reports are that the dossiers tentacles reach into the Obumblers WH.

  1147. NYCmike says:

    Tina,

    If the source isn’t CNN, NY Times, WAPO, or MSLSD then it will not be accepted as truth.

  1148. Bitterlaw says:

    It’s always sad when a Dick goes down.

    Too soon?

  1149. Bitterlaw says:

    I have formally accepted the job offer. Let the second thoughts and doubts begin!

  1150. MichiganGuy says:

    #1196 Bitter, your crass comment makes me understand why your boss would give away 20% of the company’s business just to lay you off. 🙂

  1151. Tgca says:

    1199…

  1152. NYCmike says:

    Dang you acgT!

  1153. Tgca says:

    Ha! I’m da man!!!

    Sorry NYC. 🙂

  1154. Bitterlaw says:

    My former boss thought he was smart by promising to give away more than any other firm. He is not going more files than the other firms. Some clients were mad that I left and are sending cases to other firms.

  1155. Tgca says:

    1196

    So Bitter is sad that Dick went down. Hmm…I told y’’all there’s something to the accusation about why he had to leave his job over inappropriate harassment of a male PA college intern wearing a salmon-colored jacket.

    Bitter would not grab his cardigan sweater from his office and tell all GFY and storm out if he wasn’t perturbed about being caught in the act. I also hear he foot tapped the senior partner while in the bathroom stall. Big mistake dude! These things always come out sooner or later. Sad. 🙁

  1156. NYCmike says:

    ” he foot tapped the senior partner while in the bathroom stall”

    -This sh*t is hittin’ the fan!

  1157. NYCmike says:

    Rick Dearborn to be mentioned by Robbie in 3….2….1….

  1158. hugh says:

    With Boeing now joining in the praise the senate democrats in red states are going to really regret their opposition to the tax bill, but worse yet the rhetoric coming from Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. I would write the adds for the Indiana race. They have doomed Donnelly. BTW his daughter 30 years ago was a good friend my daughter back in South Bend.

  1159. Wobbles says:

    Generic Congressional Ballot:

    Democrats 45% (+1)
    Republicans 44%

    But, but, but…. Gallup!

  1160. DW says:

    1209 – Its ok, just lean back on the deck chair of your cruise ship, close your eyes, and keep dreaming of the Democrat house takeover you long for.

  1161. NYCmike says:

    hugh,

    I always like politicians to act as if they are 4 points behind but closing fast!

    The Democrats have overstepped, I do agree.

    NOW, Republicans need to make them take more tough votes. Even if a particular bill fails, get the Democrats on record for/against certain issues.

  1162. jason says:

    wes, I apologize for getting your GWB vote wrong. My bad.

    Bitter to say A-holes never apologize in 3, 2, 1…

    GFY.

  1163. jason says:

    Congratulations on the new job Bitter.

    What are you doing with the extra money?

  1164. jason says:

    Even if a particular bill fails, get the Democrats on record for/against certain issues.”

    Translation: waste a lot of time on bills that are sure to fail TO SEND A MESSAGE.

  1165. jason says:

    My ranking of Presidents in my lifetime

    Reagan
    Reagan
    GWB
    GWB
    Nixon
    GHWB
    Ford
    Nixon
    Clinton
    Clinton
    Johnson
    Carter
    Obama
    Obama

  1166. jason says:

    Bitter gets fired but the next day already has a job offer…..

    Hmmmm……

  1167. lisab says:

    bitterlaw,

    why did they lay you off now?

    who will play santa at the old firm if you are gone?

    someone did not plan well … “hey, where did that jolly guy go? we need him for the christmas party!”

  1168. lisab says:

    Bitter gets fired but the next day already has a job offer…..
    ————————————-

    he is very much in demand at this time of year

    he usually works at malls

  1169. jason says:

    I can think of a lot of words to describe Bitter, but “jolly” is not one of them…

  1170. jason says:

    I guess Proud ObamaCON grew up in a land locked community…

    “Children who eat fish at least once a week sleep better and have IQ scores that are 4 points higher, on average, than those who consume fish less frequently or not at all, according to new findings from the University of Pennsylvania published this week in Scientific Reports, a Nature journal.”

  1171. jason says:

    But it only explains a 4 pt IQ differential, so we don’t know the reason for the other 80 points.

  1172. lisab says:

    but “jolly” is not one of them…
    —————————–

    it is more a physical observation than a comment about his personality.

    he likes to wear sweaters too.

  1173. lisab says:

    and he is a secret yankees fan

  1174. jason says:

    Bitter, I hope you told your new boss that you do have important attributions on social media, and that as a former 2 terms governor of an important blog comment section, you do have responsibilities that take precedence over liability cases.

  1175. jason says:

    2-term… geezus, where is my coffee.

  1176. jason says:

    Yeah, can’t you see Bitter wearing his sweater and sipping a glass of wine in front of roaring fireplace in a Vermont ski lodge?

    Me neither.

  1177. jason says:

    AP adds the word “powerful” to describe Chuck Schumer’s position…

    “Democrats want to make sure that we have equal bargaining, and we’re not going to allow things like disaster relief go forward without discussing some of the other issues we care about,” said powerful Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y”

    Don’t you just love the MSM?

  1178. mnw says:

    Jason 1227

    So Troll 2 STARTED with 85. Deduct 4 for the fish. But you forgot to deduct 5 MORE for each of

    LOL (Gosh, is that clever & fresh!)

    LOOSAHS

    Y’all (10 point deduction; 5 extra as a bonus) and

    SAD!

    Check my math, but I think that gets him to an IQ of 59– about what most of us figured.

  1179. mnw says:

    The first President of my lifetime was Truman, altho Ike is the first one I can actually remember.

    I never bothered to rank them, because most of them sukked.

  1180. mnw says:

    MG

    McLaughlin is a GOP-affiliated pollster, as u probably know. GOP hires them to do a lot of internals, I seem to recall.

  1181. Cash Cow TM says:

    tentacles

    Sen. Cattle!

  1182. Cash Cow TM says:

    tentacles

    Sen. Cattle!

  1183. Cash Cow TM says:

    testicles

    slice test?

  1184. DW says:

    Here is my 2017 Christmas Card to HHR:

    On the First day of Christmas my troll lib sent to me
    an increase in your Tax Fee.

    On the Second day of Christmas my troll lib sent to me
    Two Dreadful Polls
    and an increase in your Tax Fee.

    On the Third day of Christmas my troll lib sent to me
    Three Cinch Wins
    Two Dreadful Polls
    and an increase in your Tax Fee.

    On the Fourth day of Christmas my troll lib sent to me
    Four Cussing Words
    Three Cinch Wins
    Two Dreadful Polls
    and an increase in your Tax Fee.

    On the Fifth day of Christmas my troll lib sent to me
    Five Cold Zings
    Four Cussing Words
    Three Cinch Wins
    Two Dreadful Polls
    and an increase in your Tax Fee.

    On the Sixth day of Christmas my troll lib sent to me
    Six Akins Running
    Five Cold Zings
    Four Cussing Words
    Three Cinch Wins
    Two Dreadful Polls
    and an increase in your Tax Fee.

    On the Seventh day of Christmas my troll lib sent to me
    Seven Scams a-Spamming
    Six Akins Running
    Five Cold Zings
    Four Cussing Words
    Three Cinch Wins
    Two Dreadful Polls
    and an increase in your Tax Fee.

    On the Eighth day of Christmas my troll lib sent to me
    Eight leftist Rulings
    Seven Scams a-Spamming
    Six Akins Running
    Five Cold Zings
    Four Cussing Words
    Three Cinch Wins
    Two Dreadful Polls
    and an increase in your Tax Fee.

    On the Ninth day of Christmas my troll lib sent to me
    Nine Levies Draining
    Eight leftist Rulings
    Seven Scams a-Spamming
    Six Akins Running
    Five Cold Zings
    Four Cussing Words
    Three Cinch Wins
    Two Dreadful Polls
    and an increase in your Tax Fee.

    On the Tenth day of Christmas my troll lib sent to me
    Ten Trump’s Im-peaching
    Nine Levies Draining
    Eight leftist Rulings
    Seven Scams a-Spamming
    Six Akins Running
    Five Cold Zings
    Four Cussing Words
    Three Cinch Wins
    Two Dreadful Polls
    and an increase in your Tax Fee.

    On the Eleventh day of Christmas my troll lib sent to me
    Eleven Writers Forging
    Ten Trump’s Im-peaching
    Nine Levies Draining
    Eight leftist Rulings
    Seven Scams a-Spamming
    Six Akins Running
    Five Cold Zings
    Four Cussing Words
    Three Cinch Wins
    Two Dreadful Polls
    and an increase in your Tax Fee.

    On the Twelfth day of Christmas my troll lib sent to me
    Twelve Dreamers Voting
    Eleven Writers Forging
    Ten Trump’s Im-peaching
    Nine Levies Draining
    Eight leftist Rulings
    Seven Scams a-Spamming
    Six Akins Running
    Five Cold Zings
    Four Cussing Words
    Three Cinch Wins
    Two Dreadful Polls
    and an increase in your Tax Fee.

  1185. jason says:

    Despite Wobbie’s hopes that Mueller might be able to overturn the results of the election, according to the WSJ Americans are beginning to sour on him.

    Maybe they think the investigation shouldn’t be partisan, what a novel idea.

  1186. jason says:

    Great card DW!

  1187. mnw says:

    Remember “Fitzmas”?

    That was the eerily similar beloved leftoid attempt to impeach W via a special prosecutor?

  1188. NYCmike says:

    The cover of the N Y Post had the countries who voted against the United States yesterday depicted as weasels
    https://nypost.com/cover/covers-for-december-22-2017/

    There happened to be a woman in front of me in the bagel store, ends up saying she is Palestinian……too bad “CG” wasn’t there to agree with her how bad Trump and Republicans are, compared to their political opponents.

  1189. NYCmike says:

    “Remember “Fitzmas”?”

    -Robbie, “CG”?

  1190. NYCmike says:

    http://www.libertylawsite.org/2017/12/14/i-have-seen-londons-future-and-it-is-caracas/

    -I figured I should share this, because I need many others to be as depressed as I was after reading it.

  1191. Diamond Jim says:

    Has anyone checked on Dave’s well-being lately?

  1192. lisab says:

    according to the WSJ Americans are beginning to sour on him. (mueller)
    ————————

    meh … trump gave us money

  1193. lisab says:

    has anyone checked on the trolls’ well being?

    they have been gone a while now …

    you would think the biggest tax cut in a generation would be a big deal for them.

  1194. lisab says:

    the nice thing is that according to robbie trump IS RESPONSIBLE for all legislation

    so i guess trump will be getting lots of praise for this tax cut

    when robbie gets back from pago pago

  1195. NYCmike says:

    #1245 – HEH!

    Well said!

  1196. mnw says:

    My home healthcare worker just got a phone call informing her she had gotten the full time job she had applied for. She was ecstatic.

    I told her to thank PDT. I can’t explain WHY, but I’m sure it’s true.

  1197. Wes says:

    Basically Steve Bannon is the stupidest would-be political boss/strategist in history. After the Roy Moore debacle, I expect the GOP to purge the Bannonites in the upcoming primaries.

  1198. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1245. “when robbie gets back from pago pago”

    He is in Bogo Pogo. Pago Page (Samoa) restricts the access of concern trolls.

  1199. jason says:

    Bannon seems to have had good instincts during the campaign, I don’t argue with success.

    But he belongs to the “it’s better to have 15 100% tested Senators than 50 Senators who might not vote 100% with the program” club.

  1200. lisab says:

    actually pago pago is part of american samoa, the usa allows concern trolls

    you are thinking of apia, samoa.

    somoa is much nicer than american samoa

  1201. jason says:

    “Officials have stopped a man who they say was plotting a terror attack in San Francisco over the holidays. The 26-year-old reportedly stated that “Christmas was the perfect day” for a terror attack in San Francisco and “did not need an escape plan because he was ready to die.”

    We’ve learned the FBI has arrested a man by the name of Everitt Aaron Jameson, who’s a tow truck driver and lives in Modesto. According to a handwritten letter obtained by the FBI, Jameson also referred to himself as Abdallah adu Everitt ibn Gordon.”

  1202. Wobbles says:

    Actually I am still in KY looking at some Micronesia tourism brochures.

    Lying (pun intended) low until all this favorable news to Trump blows by and we can start talking of collusion and Mika’s face again.

  1203. lisab says:

    history could be made this sunday,

    jay cutler can surpass tom brady’s total passing yards if he throws for 31,178 yards against kansas city this sunday

    plus whatever brady throws on sunday of course

  1204. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1254. American Samoa is an American dependency, but it has some independence in self-governance. It really has issues with concern trolls.

  1205. Blobbie says:

    STOP THE BONUSES! STOP THE BONUSES OUT THERE!

    WHO HAS GOT A BONUS? WHERE IS IT?! WHERE IS THE BONUS?

    IS IT ON THE OTHER … GO UP TO THE OTHER FLOOR … SOMEBODY GO UP THERE AND STOP THE BONUSES! STOP THE BONUSES!

  1206. Blobbie says:

    yeah these minor usa possessions are always causing trouble

  1207. lisab says:

    i did not know gay cruises ran during christmas

  1208. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1254. “somoa is much nicer than american samoa”

    Agree, and the tuna cannery’s smell is a bit much. There are some beautiful areas outside of Pago Pago. The local politics is sordid, and funded by U.S. money.

    Don’t know it is used anymore, but the other Samoa used to be referred to as Western Samoa.

  1209. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1261. “i did not know gay cruises ran during christmas”

    Am not sure either Samoa would allow a gay cruise to dock, they both have strongly active Christian populations. Suppose U.S. law would override any local opposition in American Samoa.

  1210. lisab says:

    the other Samoa used to be referred to as Western Samoa.
    —————————

    indeed … and unlike much of the area, the samoans are rather prudish

    and if you are not using something, someone else may take it … they have sort of communal ownership

  1211. lisab says:

    samoa is indeed officially a christian nation

  1212. mnw says:

    It concerns me that the first time most voters will feel the benefit of the tax cut is when they get their refund check in 2019– after the midterms.

    Am I wrong? Some of you guys know this stuff a lot better than I.

  1213. DW says:

    1266 – it depends. For those who are tax savvy, they will change their withholdings in 2018 to get more take-home income, knowing that the tax is less.

    Most however won’t notice until they get a HUGE refund in 2019–and then regret voting Dem.

    Its up to the GOP and Trump to communicate in the mean time.

  1214. mnw says:

    DW

    That sounds right.

  1215. Tina says:

    Muh bonus.

  1216. Tina says:

    Fox News
    Fox News
    @FoxNews
    .@RepMattGaetz: “We have email evidence from Andrew McCabe indicating that @HillaryClinton was going to get a ‘HQ Special,’ a headquarters special.”

  1217. Diamond Jim says:

    I’m glad Trump didn’t screw around and signed the tax-cut bill today.

  1218. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1265. “the other Samoa used to be referred to as Western Samoa.”

    An important rule I learned when young. If you ever get into a group fight, always pick the side that has the most Polynesians

  1219. hugh says:

    MNW they should start seeing increased take home pay in March as the withholding tables are revised. The highest wage earnings will likely get little or no benefit in the vast majority of states. People with children will see the benefit of the better childcare benefits when they file their return, but believe they will know it is out there. Dems stepped in this one big time and corporation are piling on with their praise and bonuses. Donnelly and Claire can pack it in now. Ben Nelson also, since in FL the loss in state and local taxes will not offset the lower rates.

  1220. mnw says:

    Do they adjust those automatically? I request such changes.

  1221. mnw says:

    As for all the Senate race changes, I’m not there yet.

    I’m hoping the DEMs may overplay their hand on impeachment, though. You know they think about it every waking moment of their lives. GOP House candidates need to make that clear next fall.

  1222. Hugh says:

    I think that the number 1 priority will be to change those tables. At some point the press will have to come clean because the vast majority of people will know their taxes are going down. However the main impact is with c corporations. The hypocrisy is that until about 6 months ago there was bipartisan agreement that corporate rates had to go down.

  1223. jason says:

    “HQ Special”

    Hold the jail time?

  1224. jason says:

    Is Trump in the 20’s yet?

    According to ObamaCON that was going to happen right after the tax cuts passed.

  1225. Tgca says:

    1264
    1265

    So I guess what LisaB is saying is that Samoans are a bunch of homophobia thieves. Good to know.

  1226. Hugh says:

    If just one crony in the fbi or doj cracks the cards will fall. Much as I have become convinced senior officials did bad things I am sure these are very clever people and know what to say and not say.

  1227. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Fbi legal counsel demoted.

    Sessions orders investigation into the hallabalooh and obama drug cartel.

    The big ugly….

  1228. Tina says:

    James Baker reassigned, he was fbi oegal counsel, uh council, according to the jebots spelling.

    He is being investigated for leaking and is an ally of comedy, who was fired earlier this year.

  1229. Hugh says:

    Tina. How do you always find this stuff first.

  1230. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca – You are not gay enough for lisab to recognize as gay.

  1231. Bitterlaw says:

    I caught lisab’ earlier reference to me being fat. I am not.

  1232. ssq says:

    As for all the Senate race changes..”

    The Senators are changing races?

    This is good for diversity, how many are becoming American Indians?

  1233. jason says:

    She probably inferred that because you drink 2 gallons of soda a day.

  1234. jason says:

    Tina has sources.

    I do too, but nobody seems interested in Inca politics.

  1235. Tina says:

    I still have my contacts, even though I am retired. I also read a lot. Usually, Fridays they dump a lot of stuff out.

    Baker may have been caught up in the leak probe, plus he has dossier baggage. He also tried to sue apple for a source. code, and the fbi lost the case.

  1236. Tina says:

    It does not seem reasonable that mulehead is interested in hetting emails from transition officials. Probably lots of it boring stufff, assessing strenght s and weaknesses, amd how many jelly donuts to get in a day,

    I would bet the leak probe and mukehead are working hand in hand re the dossier.

  1237. Tgca says:

    Bitter is chubby? So that’s why he wears sweaters now.

  1238. jason says:

    LOL, Manchin confirms he is a fraud.

    “Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., on Wednesday struggled to explain his opposition to the Republican tax overhaul, conceding in a local radio interview that it contains “some good things” that could benefit his state. “There’s some good in this bill. I acknowledge that,” Manchin said, when West Virginia radio talk show host Hoppy Kercheval asked the senator why he opposed legislation that will benefit the “vast majority” of taxpayers and businesses in the state.”

  1239. mnw says:

    DEMs sure do love them some impeachment. Kind of a fill-in-the-blank, player-to-be-named-later impeachment.

    The Wild Bunch:

    Small town resident: “Just what is it you people are rebelling against?”

    Brando: “What have you got?”

  1240. mnw says:

    MCCC

    Is that right?

  1241. lisab says:

    I caught lisab’ earlier reference to me being fat. I am not.
    —————————-

    you are not fat … jolly is the term i would choose.

  1242. lisab says:

    Bitter is chubby? So that’s why he wears sweaters now.
    ————————-

    well i have only seen him on camera and they say the camera adds ten pound …

    he had several cameras on him apparently 🙂

  1243. lisab says:

    So I guess what LisaB is saying is that Samoans are a bunch of homophobia thieves.
    ——————————–

    the are great on l, b and especially t issues. g not so much actually.

  1244. Tina says:

    The GOP sources said the documents — made available recently to lawmakers by the Department of Justice — revealed that James Baker, the FBI’s general counsel, communicated with Mother Jones reporter David Corn in the weeks leading up to the November 2016 election. Corn was the first to report the existence of the dossier on Oct. 31 and that it was compiled by a former high-level western spy.

    Holy sheot.

  1245. lisab says:

    one of the peace corps volunteers there got eaten by a shark …

    we don’t know if he was attacked while alive or dead

    he went underwater cave diving … at night … which is dangerous in the day time for experienced divers. it is easy to lose your way and drown.

    eventually a shark went in the cave.

    he may have been dead already, they never said/found out.

    diving into an underwater cave at night … not smart … keep in mind he was free diving, not scuba diving, so his window of escape if anything went wrong was about 30 seconds.

  1246. MichiganGuy says:

    911 call centers in multiple states are being inundated with calls after wild SpaceX rocket launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base

    https://twitter.com/Natalia_ARN/status/944390436516515842

  1247. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Manchin…local WV radio…Hoppy Kercheval….”

    That radio show is a statewide show.
    Not a local radio show.

  1248. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Manchin…local WV radio…Hoppy Kercheval….”

    That radio show is a statewide show.
    Not a local radio show.

  1249. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Manchin…local WV radio…Hoppy Kercheval….”

    That radio show is a statewide show.
    Not a local radio show.

  1250. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Manchin…local WV radio…Hoppy Kercheval….”

    That radio show is a statewide show.
    Not a local radio show.

  1251. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Manchin…local WV radio…Hoppy Kercheval….”

    That radio show is a statewide show.
    Not a local radio show.

  1252. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Manchin…local WV radio…Hoppy Kercheval….”

    That radio show is a statewide show.
    Not a local radio show.

  1253. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Manchin…local WV radio…Hoppy Kercheval….”

    That radio show is a statewide show.
    Not a local radio show.

  1254. Cash Cow TM says:

    WTF?

  1255. NYCmike says:

    You could say that 5x again!

  1256. jason says:

    Cash Cow must have chewed some loco weed.

  1257. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1297. So I guess what LisaB is saying is that Samoans are a bunch of homophobia thieves.”

    Samoans, like other Polynesians, are a very generous and friendly people. They don’t have the same concept of private property; often property is owned by a family group. They will provide things other people, and use others things when in need.

    Their beliefs condemn homosexuality, but there is a gay subculture in Polynesian society which is generally tolerated.

  1258. MichiganGuy says:

    9th Circuit rules against Trump’s third attempt at travel ban.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/366268-9th-circuit-rules-against-trumps-third-travel-ban
    —————————————————————————————————–
    How many times does the Supreme Court have to rule the Travel Ban is constitutional before this court gets it? SMH

  1259. MichiganGuy says:

    Trump-supporting singer claims Lewandowski slapped her butt at recent party

    https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2017/12/22/corey-lewandowski-accused-touching-joy-villa-318420
    ————————————————————————–
    Publicity whore Joy Villa will do anything for attention.

  1260. Wobbles says:

    Trump campaign manager Lewandowski?

    Trump needs to resign.

  1261. Tina says:

    Looks like the weekly liberal standard and national retreat online are targeting the never trumpers. A little late to the party imo.

  1262. MichiganGuy says:

    Dave, all I want for Christmas is a new thread. 🙂

  1263. Wes says:

    Maybe if you supported competent candidates rather than unelectable, possibly ephebophilic theocrats, Dave might grant your wish. 😉

  1264. Wes says:

    jason says:
    December 22, 2017 at 4:46 pm
    Bannon seems to have had good instincts during the campaign, I don’t argue with success.

    But he belongs to the “it’s better to have 15 100% tested Senators than 50 Senators who might not vote 100% with the program” club.

    Jason, Bannon’s an idiot who got lucky because his boss faced a Democrat nominee under FBI investigation a week before the election. Let’s not give him more credit than is warranted.

  1265. Wes says:

    This was the GOP Senate nominee in Alabama, people:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/roy-moore-facebook-posts-not-concede-2017-12

    Thank God he lost.

  1266. mnw says:

    Bannon’s part in Trump Win:

    We’ll never know. Trump won, so figuring out if he would’ve done so without Bannon is counterfactual history, which is a waste of time.

    My own view is that Bannon was probably essential. He kept advising Trump to double down when every other advisor seemed to have the vapors.

    My view.

  1267. Tina says:

    Nick Short ?? Retweeted
    Byron York
    Byron York
    @ByronYork
    The next step for NeverTrumpers. From @MaxBoot: ‘I’m actively rooting for Republicans to lose the congressional elections next year.’ (link: http://ow.ly/kke030hokG8) ow.ly/kke030hokG8

    Max boot, the socialist sun, the blob the jebots, and who else?

  1268. Tina says:

    Comedy has tweeted his support for the ex fbi general counsel, baker, whi was demoted, transferred, or reassigned.

    He is part of the dossier mess and is reported to have leaked classified information.

    Rat supports rat.

  1269. MichiganGuy says:

    Authorities in Harrisburg, Pa., were wondering Friday what drove a 51-year-old man to go on an afternoon shooting spree in which he apparently targeted police officers.

    Police eventually shot and killed the gunman, whom authorities later identified as Ahmed Aminamin El-Mofty.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/23/pennsylvania-gunman-targeted-police-officers-authorities-say.amp.html

  1270. MichiganGuy says:

    #1318 Go away annoying little troll 🙂

  1271. Wes says:

    No troll here, Elmer. You should have known I was never going yo let you live Roy Moore down.

  1272. Wes says:

    Even though that’s true, Mnw, I’d give more credit to Kelly Conway than to Steve Bannon since she helped Trump reach out to the white women portion of his coalition and was the only campaign manager Trump hired who displayed any kind of competence in keeping him competitive.

    As we’ve seen since the election, Bannon displays limited political acumen as indicated by his jkam8kaze mission against nearly every Republican Senator up next year in hopes of ousting Mitch McConnell as Majority Leader and his backing of Roy Moore ahead of last week’s disastrous election results.

    I rather than Bannon will be a footnote and an afterthought post 2018.

  1273. mnw says:

    I recall that during T’s darkest hours, when “HRC landslide” was the conventional wisdom, Bannon kept saying, “Look at the size of the damn crowds! Ignore all the rest of it. Keep doing what you’re doing! The white working class vote is going to be a tidal wave.”

    My recollection.

  1274. Tina says:

    John Roberts
    ?
    @johnrobertsFox
    Sources tell @FoxNews DEFINITIVELY that Robert Mueller is in NO danger of being fired – and that @realDonaldTrump attorneys have a very good relationship with Mueller’s office http://fxn.ws/2DuIb5f
    10:43 AM – Dec 22, 2017

    Rottie hit hard.. just maybe the reports of mulehead now after the ds are true.

  1275. mnw says:

    I could care less whether or not the NeverTrumpers apologize.

    The best response to them is, “Oh, are you still here?” Same with Mueller. Investigate your little heart out. The American people are starting to notice that you stink on ice.

  1276. Robbie says:

    Trump just can’t quit the crazies. Ward is a sure loser, but Trump loves losers like good ole Roy.

    Tara Palmeri
    @tarapalmeri

    Living up to “working vacation,” Trump met with Arizona Senate candidate Kelli Ward today at Mar-a-Lago. Doubt McConnell would be pleased.

  1277. Tina says:

    They can go back to tillerson being gone, or Kelly. The drats are creating randon rumours.

  1278. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    December 23, 2017 at 10:41 am
    https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/12/23/senior-fbi-official-removed-duties-linked-spreading-trump-dossier/
    Another item for Robbie to not read.

    – Things Chicon doesn’t want to read. Non conspiratorial news.

  1279. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 23, 2017 at 10:43 am
    John Roberts
    ?
    @johnrobertsFox
    Sources tell @FoxNews DEFINITIVELY that Robert Mueller is in NO danger of being fired – and that @realDonaldTrump attorneys have a very good relationship with Mueller’s office http://fxn.ws/2DuIb5f
    10:43 AM – Dec 22, 2017
    Rottie hit hard.. just maybe the reports of mulehead now after the ds are true.

    – Bless your heart.

  1280. Tina says:

    I forgot, sessions too, he will be fired.

    But maybe not because he has launched all of these investigatins. Or maybe, he launched some of them whike muh russian was ar its apex and people failed to read between the lines.

    Doubtful that sesssions would leak ot try an investigation thru the media, before any charges.

  1281. Tina says:

    All of these reports are one sided. We need to stay on trump, russia. That is not one sided

    Jebot

  1282. Tina says:

    The big ugly is going to be great, just saying.

    Tick, tock, tick, tock…

  1283. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    December 23, 2017 at 10:45 am
    I could care less whether or not the NeverTrumpers apologize.
    The best response to them is, “Oh, are you still here?” Same with Mueller. Investigate your little heart out. The American people are starting to notice that you stink on ice.

    – Trump has an approval rating in the upper 30’s, both Republican and Democrat strategists are predicting a wave that could net Democrats 40 House seats, and Trump is meeting with deadender Kelli Ward.

    Yet, the slack jawed Trump shills and sycophants want to blame a nonexistent group of voters lead by Evan McMullin and Bill Kristal.

  1284. Tina says:

    I went to the local walmart shortly after opening. Packed store and bad cart drivers.

  1285. Phil says:

    Geez. You mean Dems And Never Trumpers are still throwing around the Trump will fire Mueller stuff?

    In their dreams.

  1286. Robbie says:

    Wobbles says:
    December 23, 2017 at 2:04 am
    Trump campaign manager Lewandowski?
    Trump needs to resign.

    – Jason’s life is so empty he has nothing better to do than use fake screen name at 2 in the morning.

  1287. Tina says:

    Per drudge, trumps approval is at 44to 45 in two polls before the largest tax cut, the drilling in anwr, and the killing of obumblercare maga bill was signed.

    Can we declare obumblercare dead? I mean politico said it was, until trump said it was. Then, politico said it was not killed.

  1288. Tina says:

    Mulehead willl fire himself. He is irrelevant. At this stage given all of the renegads he staffed up with.

    It is al,ost like he did it on purpose.

  1289. Wes says:

    She wasn’t well known nationally, but she was a pioneering pol as one of the first women of Asian descent to hold statewide office in the coutry:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-march-fong-eu-20171222-story.html

    RIP, Ms. Eu.

  1290. Tina says:

    Everybody is fixated on the weaponizing f the fbi by comedy, pete the cheat, mccabe, baker, etc.

    Baker is caught that is the reason for his apparent demotion and comedys tantrum on twitter.

    The coup plotters are being picked off.

    Trump got the head coup plotter comedy and the assistant, sjw yates. Now, its on to pete the cheat, the mistress, the general counsel who is now working the mailroom, and crooked mccabe.

  1291. Phil says:

    The one thing Robbie and I see eye to eye on is Trump throwing in with dead Enders like Ward. You’d think Moore would be a wake up call. The disasters in 2010 should have been more than enough. Just dumb.

  1292. Wes says:

    Robbie, Congress just passed the tax plan, which by March will increase the takehome pay of many Americans. Let’s see if Trump is still unpopular when Americans have more disposable income.

    For the record, no, Trump wasn’t the reason Roy Moore lost. Roy Moore was the reason. I just had to throw that out before you point to the Alabama loss as a sign of voter discontent with Trump.

  1293. Robbie says:

    Wobbles says:
    December 22, 2017 at 5:09 pm
    Actually I am still in KY looking at some Micronesia tourism brochures.
    Lying (pun intended) low until all this favorable news to Trump blows by and we can start talking of collusion and Mika’s face again.

    – Jason, I’m sorry my work schedule doesn’t match yours you fraudulent Trump shill. Are you aware this is a big travel time? Or has your Trump butt licking caused you to lose track of time?

    Also, please tell me more how you think Steve Bannon has smart political instincts. I never thought I’d read something so idiotic from you. NYCmike, maybe. You, never.

  1294. Tina says:

    Roy Moore is an arse. Look at what he is doing re the stupid, non concession.

    It shoukd have been big luthor, or strrange. Strange woukd have been better but luther seemed fine.

  1295. Wes says:

    Trump isn’t exactly Mr. Popularity in Arizona–which he barely carried last year–so it’s entirely conceivable his supporting Ward may be a net negative for her against McSally in the Land of McCain.

  1296. Phil says:

    Robbie, Jason is hardly a Trum shill. He didn’t even vote for the guy. Come on.

  1297. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    December 22, 2017 at 12:08 pm
    Despite Wobbie’s hopes that Mueller might be able to overturn the results of the election, according to the WSJ Americans are beginning to sour on him.
    Maybe they think the investigation shouldn’t be partisan, what a novel idea.

    – Despite Jason’s attempts to portray himself as a conservative, he has showed himself to be nothing more than a partisan hack who supports anyone with a R next to his name. He even said he hoped good ole Roy, a disgusting pervert, would win.

  1298. Phil says:

    McSally wins the General in Arizona. Ward is a loser.

  1299. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 22, 2017 at 12:25 pm
    “Remember “Fitzmas”?”
    -Robbie, “CG”?

    – I knew you were challenged, but I am only recently becoming aware of how incapable of rational thought you are.

  1300. Wes says:

    To be fair, Jason said he wanted Moore to win by one vote and have the Senate toss him out so as to keep the seat. You left out a few critical points there, Robbie.

  1301. Phil says:

    …and Tarkanian is a loser in Nevada. It is what he does. Does Tarkanian even have a job? I mean, besides losing elections.

  1302. Tina says:

    Mccabe

    We are unabke to valid anything in the dossier, but I still stand behind it.

    And he is second in command of the fbi?

  1303. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 23, 2017 at 11:21 am
    To be fair, Jason said he wanted Moore to win by one vote and have the Senate toss him out so as to keep the seat. You left out a few critical points there, Robbie.

    – So you mean I’m doing to Jason what Jason does to me every day? Glad you noticed.

  1304. Tina says:

    The az governor would make a fine senator and an upgrade over mccain and senator daca.

  1305. Wes says:

    I suspect mainline Republicans will look at Alabama and purge the Bannonites in the primaries as happened in 2014 after years of letting Deadenders throw away critical seats.

  1306. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    December 22, 2017 at 11:51 am
    MG
    McLaughlin is a GOP-affiliated pollster, as u probably know. GOP hires them to do a lot of internals, I seem to recall.

    – Yes, he was the guy who paired with Dick Morris in 2012 to say Romney was going to win in a landslide.

  1307. Phil says:

    McCabe istands by Dossier but can’t verify any of it. These people thought their activities would be buried when Hillary won. Oops.

  1308. Wes says:

    Ducey won’t run for Senate, Tina. McSally is the sane pick. She is far from the most conservative Republican in Arizona but has a profile known to be appealing in Arizona as well as a history of winning on enemy ground.

  1309. Phil says:

    McSally would make a fine senator.

  1310. Wes says:

    Republicans also have a solid pick to replace McSally in the House. That will also be a critical race.

  1311. Tina says:

    I am fine with her too, wes. I like the az governor, but I know he will not want the senate seat yet.

  1312. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 23, 2017 at 11:11 am
    Per drudge, trumps approval is at 44to 45 in two polls before the largest tax cut, the drilling in anwr, and the killing of obumblercare maga bill was signed.

    – Cherry pick much, Tinfoil? What about Gallup, Reuters, CNN, and Quinnipiac?

  1313. Tina says:

    I wonder if mccabe stands by both fisa warrants and the wiretapping?.

  1314. Tina says:

    Mccabe

    We f flynn. And then we f trump.

  1315. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 23, 2017 at 11:16 am
    Robbie, Congress just passed the tax plan, which by March will increase the takehome pay of many Americans. Let’s see if Trump is still unpopular when Americans have more disposable income.
    For the record, no, Trump wasn’t the reason Roy Moore lost. Roy Moore was the reason. I just had to throw that out before you point to the Alabama loss as a sign of voter discontent with Trump.

    – Here’s the problem. Trump has had a very good economy since he took office, but he’s gotten no benefit from it. Trump should have an approval around 50%, but it’s not. Why? Trump’s behavior as president has overwhelmed everything else he has done. The vast middle that gave him the votes to win last year have stepped back because of this. Just look at the polls.

    Under normal circumstances, I would say Trump’s approval rating should be higher by March after his success with the tax bill. But can you say with certainty Trump’s not going to create another series of self inflicted wounds that overwhelm everything?

  1316. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 23, 2017 at 11:18 am
    Robbie, Jason is hardly a Trum shill. He didn’t even vote for the guy. Come on.

    – I’m treating Jason the way he’s always treated me. If he can manipulate my views on everything, then turnabout is fair play.

  1317. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 23, 2017 at 11:23 am
    I suspect mainline Republicans will look at Alabama and purge the Bannonites in the primaries as happened in 2014 after years of letting Deadenders throw away critical seats.

    – You have far more faith in the voter than I do.

    Republicans will field the best slate of Senate candidates I’ve seen in my lifetime. If Hillary was POTUS, I could see Republicans getting to 62 Senate seats.

    With Trump as president, candidate recruitment may mean ZERO. Why? For now, his unpopularity is overwhelming the system.

    Until Trump finds a way to fix his approval rating problem, finding great candidates probably means nothing. I’m not sure Trump is willing to do the things necessary either.

  1318. Cash Cow TM says:

    DW,

    That was a very FINE poem bout the 12 days of Christmas.

    Horns off to you!

  1319. Cash Cow TM says:

    Has there ever been a government person who fired themselves?

  1320. lisab says:

    I recall that during T’s darkest hours, when “HRC landslide” was the conventional wisdom
    ———————————-

    you mean 8:59 pm on nov. 8th 2016?

  1321. Tina says:

    I was all in on the hrc landslide.

    Jebot.

  1322. lisab says:

    Cherry pick much, Tinfoil? What about Gallup, Reuters, CNN, and Quinnipiac?
    ———————————-

    cnn?!!!!!!

    robbie is using cnn as an example of unbiased reporting?!!!!!

    even msnbc does not report cnn news without questioning it … they actually now say,

    “cnn is reporting xyz, so take that with a grain of salt”

    cnn is the network that reported about mueller being possibly fired on the day the tax cuts passed

    robbie might know that, but he was watching cnn

  1323. lisab says:

    robbie might know that, but he was watching cnn

    in pago pago

  1324. Tina says:

    I was so excited when lord arsehat provided his exit numbers.

    Jebot

  1325. lisab says:

    tax cuts

    still wonderful!!!!!!!!!

    trump’s new theme song to the never trumpers and dem trols regarding tax cuts … can’t touch this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo

  1326. lisab says:

    dem trolls: aren’t you upset about the tax cuts?

    working america: not even a little bit …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1F0lBnsnkE

  1327. Wes says:

    Lord Arsehat…

    You have to love Tina’s nicknames.