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Winfrey Leads Trump By 13% Nationally

Might as well go for a hat trick today with posts. Donald Trump might win Louisiana as shown in a poll two posts down, but nationally Quinnipiac University is giving Oprah Winfrey a 13% lead over Donald Trump.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Quinnipiac)
Oprah Winfrey (D) 52%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 39%

This poll was done January 12-16 among 1212 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 1:38 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (742)

742 Responses to “Winfrey Leads Trump By 13% Nationally”

  1. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Got this from the California group circulating the petition to repeal the new gas tax.

    “Yesterday state auditors disclosed that the “High Speed Rail to Nowhere Project” is now over $2.8 BILLION over budget. And that’s not even taking into account it’s over $6B from when it was shamefully launched.

    This wasteful project is why Gov. Jerry Brown and Sacramento politicians are misleading Californians into paying more than $700 a year in car and gas taxes. The fiscal realities area simple: help us stop the Gas Tax and we can stop the wasteful spending on the failing High Speed Rail fiasco!”

    Don’t understand why the Democrats don’t consider Governor Brown for President in 2020. He is raising taxes, funding boondoggles — the Democrats should be swooning over him.

  2. JC says:

    Oprah might as well be ‘generic candidate with no baggage’. Obviously, that would change if she ran, which she wont.

    In other non-Oprah related news, the DOW is up 300 points today and will like close above 26,000 today.

    Overall, the DOW is up 7500 points (+40%) since the election.

  3. DW says:

    2 – same thing was tried here in VA Beach, VA. Liberal Norfolk started the boondoggle by building their light-rail choo-choo out to a dead end at the VA Beach city line. They tried to shame us into bailing them out and continuing the line to the VA Beach oceanfront. Sort of daring us to say ‘no.’ The VA Beach council and mayor were for it, but the people kept saying no. We had to battle several referendums and had to endure endless battles, including trolls in the local online papers who mocked us and told us it will happen anyway, so just get over and and get on board.

    VA Beach even started taxing us for it. But in the end, the people won, and stopped this money sewer hole, and stuck Norfolk with a worthless choo-choo that is empty but for the free tickets they give away.

    I haven’t checked recently, but a few years ago they admitted it cost them 9 million a year just to keep the thing going back and forth.

    Liberals come up with the oddest ways of throwing other people’s money away.

  4. Robbie says:

    LOL! Suckers. Who’s going to pay for that wall: NOT MEXICO!

    Daniel Dale?
    @ddale8

    Obvious but also news: John Kelly told Democratic legislators that Mexico won’t pay for The Wall, that only part of The Wall will be a big concrete barrier, and that some of Trump’s immigration promises were “uninformed,” WaPo reports:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2018/01/17/kelly-says-some-of-trumps-campaign-pledges-on-immigration-wall-uninformed-meeting-attendees-say/

  5. Robbie says:

    Talk of Oprah as a 2020 presidential candidate is totally unrealistic. If Trump has done nothing else, he’s salted the Earth for celebrity candidates with no previous political elected experience.

    Presidential elections are almost always a course correction from the previous presidency. In 2020, I find it very unlikely the country is going to go with another celebrity candidate. There will likely be a premium on political experience and a lack of daily drama.

  6. Robbie says:

    Narcissist much?

    Michael Beschloss
    ?@BeschlossDC

    Trump in new Reuters interview says that Presidents Clinton, Bush, Obama left him the problem of North Korea: “I guess they all realized they were going to have to leave it to a president that scored the highest on tests.”

  7. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #5
    Old news!

  8. Chicon says:

    5 – so what?

  9. Chicon says:

    Daniel Dale? Where do you come up with these guys? Do you follow every writer employed by newspapers? Or did somebody bring it to your attention?

  10. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    January 17, 2018 at 5:17 pm
    Daniel Dale? Where do you come up with these guys? Do you follow every writer employed by newspapers? Or did somebody bring it to your attention?

    – It was retweeted into my feed, conspiracy theorist. Deal with it.

    But it is interesting to note how you dealt with the news Trump played his supporters like a fiddle on immigration. You focused on the reporter and not the news. Deflect much?

  11. Robbie says:

    It’s looking more and more like January 20 might be like Christmas morning for NYCmike. He might just get his government shutdown.

  12. Phil says:

    Shut it down over DACA?

    Please do it, Democrats.

  13. gameboy says:

    I would love a government shutdown. Will love it better if they never re open!!

  14. Phil says:

    Democrats aren’t stupid enough to shut the government down over DACA. If your party wants to shut the government down you had better have an issue that is plenty salient to the American people. DACA aint it and they know it.

  15. Phil says:

    Oh, and Democrats can fuss and fume all they want. That bluff has worked in the past, but they ought to know by now that Trump doesn’t care how much they stamp their feet and scream. They can throw a Cory Booker like tantrum if they like. Screw ’em.

  16. mnw says:

    Phil

    Totally agree. He needs to explain to the public that DACA is in the DEMs’ hip pocket if they will just agree to the chain migration & visa lottery reforms— which the public favors.

  17. Chicon says:

    11 – hey, sizzle chest, I don’t expect ANY politician to follow everything they say on the campaign trail, 100%. If you do, then your list of approved politicians must be zero. The last guy promised to close GITMO, and didn’t. I’m glad he didn’t follow thru with that promise.

    But you latch onto any anti-Trump morsel like a starving Bumpus hound on a turkey, hoping to prove that you’re right about Trump.

    Btw, do you have the same disgust for MLK? I mean, he was just as big a personal pig, allegedly, as is Trump, allegedly.

  18. Tina says:

    Jebots continue to have another disasteous week.

  19. Tina says:

    DRat cory looks like he is taking a dump, or pounding sand.

    The dhs secretary was unfazed by his theatrics.

  20. Tina says:

    Apple announces 20000 new crumbs..

  21. Tina says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWwJ7cIiNfM&feature=youtu.be

    John kellys interfiew on fox.

    When all else fails, go to the tape.

  22. jason says:

    Wobbie continues to say I support Trump because he has an R after his name, although I didn’t vote for him and Wobbie still has not found the post where I even say Trump is a Republican.

    I support Trump on the issues where I think he is doing a good job for America.

    Wobbie is still living in the primaries, still can’t forgive Trump for destroying his hapless candidate.

    Who is the fraud?

  23. Chicon says:

    I’ll say this. Just about everyone here writes about positive and negative aspects of Trump’s presidency. Except Robbie, who is simply unable to see anything positive about Trump. And everyone else is the fraud…..

  24. Tina says:

    I doubt the drats shut the gubment over daca dump. It it woukd be dumb.

  25. jason says:

    Wobbie’s MSM friends strike again…

    Gupta has not examined Trump, a la Wobbie’s other source on Trump’s “mental illness”, the fake psychologist.

    “CNN medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta declared President Trump likely has heart disease, disputing findings made public by the official White House physician.

    Speaking Wednesday on CNN, Gupta said the test results made public the previous day by Dr. Ronny Jackson, the president’s physician and a Navy rear admiral, demonstrated a heart malady.”

  26. jason says:

    ut you latch onto any anti-Trump morsel like a starving Bumpus hound on a turkey”

    More like a maggot on roadkill…

  27. jason says:

    Wobbie reminds me of a maggot.

    Or a bottom feeder…

    His penchant for trash and garbage rivals that of any carcass feeder.

  28. mnw says:

    Tina 22

    Funny.

    I thought about posting that myself, but I get tired of “They planned to do that anyway, before Zero left,” so I just thought, why bother to post it?

    I’m starting to see a cascade of articles lately (AP today) saying in essence, “Things were just as good under Zero & getting better. If anything, Trump has messed up Zero’s economic progress.”

  29. Mr.Vito says:

    More like a lawyer on an ambulance.

  30. Tina says:

    1.5 percent was zeros 2016 gdp growth.

    2017 is projected to be around 3.

    2018 coukd be 4

  31. Tina says:

    Sanjay Gupta is a drat shrill. Trump is overweight, but his numbers look good overall.

  32. Tina says:

    Common core dead at the doe.

    I am surprised the trolly is not triggered about this.

  33. mnw says:

    Tina 32

    AP story by Christopher Rugsber today:

    “Trump Claims Credit for What Is Still Mostly Obama’s Economy”

    …”most economists agree”

  34. mnw says:

    FTA:

    “Hiring and wage growth have actually slowed since Obama’s last year in office… business and consumer spending…have failed to increase meaningfully…”

  35. MichiganGuy says:

    The Highly-Anticipated 2017 Fake News Awards

    https://gop.com/the-highly-anticipated-2017-fake-news-awards/

  36. NYCmike says:

    “he forgot all the bad things he said about porn star screwing Trump ”

    -Robbie is batsh*t crazy!

  37. NYCmike says:

    Jan 20th shutdown?? Over DACA?

    SIGN ME UP!

    Robbie, how many shutdowns happened under Reagan? Please let me know as soon as you can!

  38. NYCmike says:

    Small note: Influx of work of freight that has to be transported to Left Coast.

    Why is that, you may ask?

    Ships have logjam going into West Coast ports because they are VERY BUSY! NOT enough ships right now.

    Sooooo, ships come here, then trailers bring freight back to Left Coast, but even that is tough sledding, due to the rates being raised because of more business!

    Republicans need to communicate better, but I will look to be patient until at least May/June, and wait for more signs. I am cautiously optimistic, even more so every day Robbie acts like he does!

  39. Chicon says:

    41 – I blame Trump.

  40. Tina says:

    The drats, flakey, and goober are really dumb pushing their jihadi like tactics re negotiations over daca.

    And then, because he just cannot control himself, mcconnell reverts to little mitchie and says he does not know what trump wants in the deal.

  41. Tina says:

    If Mitchie had control, he would censure flakey. No way to compare any politician to stalin, Totally wromg.

    He said it to 2drats and the oress. An empty gathering.

    I notice no rs condemning flakey the loon.

  42. Tina says:

    Retweeted
    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    Imagine the MSM outrage if @CoryBooker was a white Republican, and Secy. Nielsen a black Democrat.
    11:50 AM · Jan 17, 2018

    Racist would be one of the words?

  43. Phil says:

    Absolutely, Tina. The double standard with the drive by media is so blatant. Beyond belief.

  44. Phil says:

    Absolutely, Tina. The double standard with the drive by media is so blatant. Beyond belief.

  45. Tina says:

    Nielsen more than held her own. I hope cory is the drst no inee in 2020.

  46. Cash Cow TM says:

    AHHHHHHHHRRRGGG!

    SLOW DOWN DAVE!

    3 POSTS IN ONE DAY…having a hard time adjusting to new threads…

  47. Tom says:

    Tina – The Democrats absolutely believe that a government shutdown will be blamed on Trump and the Republicans, and they have ample evidence to believe this. The media will do a non-stop barrage of “Republican intransigence” being the cause.

    I am constantly appalled/dismayed at the total lack of the Republican party’s ability to get their message across. How they stand by and let the liberals set the narrative.

    I hate Trump’s tweeting, but he and the Republicans need to hammer away at the theme that Democrats are more concerned about illegal aliens then they are about our military readiness and government functioning. And they need to start now. forget negotiations. The Dems have already walked away from the table.

  48. Cash Cow TM says:

    Trump is merely reaping the benefit of all the sound economic policies BHO put into place in the 8 years before DJT waltzed into the white house.

    And speaking of BHO, there was not one single big terrifying meteorite over the U.S. in BHO’s 8 years as president. Nor did we have such bitter cold weather. Now that we have Trump, we are like Egypt with the 7 plagues–earthquakes, bitter cold, meteorites, the rise of Oprah, wave of charges of sexual misbehavior, and Cash Cow having lots of gas.

  49. Tom says:

    Cash Cow goes over to the dark side. Oh wait, he’s vying for a coveted Trump Fake News award!

  50. Wes says:

    Robbie will just never forgive Trump for denying JEB! the birthright of the presidency.

  51. Chicon says:

    Hello, Wes.

  52. Phil says:

    How about that hour long circus of questions for Trump’s doctor from the idiot press corp. Has anyone ever seen the press make such fools of themselves?….and that’s saying something.

    Unbelievable!

  53. Bitterlaw says:

    Sorry the day job has taken so much time. I’m devastated to miss hundreds of posts from the trolls and Robbie (who is not a troll).

  54. Trump says:

    Trolls have been less active. SOros is cutting back on their salaries.

  55. Tina says:

    More concerned about illegals?

    Cory booker called them americans.

    He is dumb.

  56. Tina says:

    Was mika scarfarce sad today?

  57. Phil says:

    Doctors Mika and Joe have been suicidal for over a year now, Tina.

  58. Paul says:

    Cory Booker will beat Trump in 2020.

  59. MichiganGuy says:

    Trump Job Approval:

    Approve 42%
    Disapprove 52%

    Trump Job Approval – Economy:

    Approve 49%
    Disapprove 39%
    .
    Trump Job Approval – Terrorism:

    Approve 48%
    Disapprove 37%
    .
    Trump Job Approval – Veterans:

    Approve 44%
    Disapprove 35%

    Trump Job Approval – Taxes:

    Approve 41%
    Disapprove 44%
    .
    Trump Job Approval – Foreign Policy:

    Approve 40%
    Disapprove 45%
    .
    Trump Job Approval – Immigration:

    Approve 42%
    Disapprove 49%

    Generic Congressional Ballot:

    Democrats 42% (+6)
    Republicans 36%

    YouGov/Economist poll 1/14-16

    https://t.co/epda1rcUYz

  60. MichiganGuy says:

    Generic Congressional Ballot:

    Democrats 41% (+3)
    Republicans 38%

    Trump Job Approval:

    Approve 45%
    Disapprove 50%

    MorningConsult/politico poll 1/11-16

    https://t.co/cetuYQPAGq
    ————————————————————————————
    Still waiting for evidence of a so called dem wave coming in 2018. 😉

  61. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    61. “Cory Booker will beat Trump in 2020.”

    Yes Paul, but it will be a very competitive badminton game.

  62. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    62. Trump Job Approval: Approve 42%, Disapprove 52%

    Trump Job Approval – Economy:Approve 49%,
    Disapprove 39%

    If Trump can focus the political narrative on the economy, he is heading for re-election. Particularly if the Democrats nominate a globalist, job-exporter like Obama or Clinton. Trump is bring the jobs back.

    ________________

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
    “I promised that my policies would allow companies like Apple to bring massive amounts of money back to the United States. Great to see Apple follow through as a result of TAX CUTS. Huge win for American workers and the USA!
    ______________

    “LOS ANGELES — Apple, which has come under major criticism for building much of its popular products in China, announced a sweeping set of moves partially tied to the recent tax bill, including paying $38 billion in taxes from profits made overseas and opening another corporate campus.
    The iPhone maker said it also will make $30 billion in capital expenditures in the U.S. over the next five years, in part from opening data centers to feed growing demand for services like iCloud. And it will create over 20,000 new jobs at existing Apple campuses and a new one, initially for technical support, at an unnamed location, likely setting off a scramble among states and cities vying for bragging rights.
    The company is the latest to announce new payouts tied to the tax bill, a landmark win for President Trump and the Republican-led Congress, which say the lower corporate rate should lead to faster job growth, higher corporate profits and steeper wages, as companies take some of those tax savings and invest them. Critics have warned companies may instead funnel their savings into buybacks and dividend increases, side-stepping workers.”
    _____________

    “President Donald Trump’s promise to exit the North American Free Trade Agreement if attempts to renegotiate the deal fail is already paying off for American workers.
    Fiat Chrysler said this week that it would move production of its Ram heavy pickup trucks from Mexico to Michigan. Moving production of the Ram, which is mostly sold in the United States and Canada, will mean that Fiat Chrysler will not risk paying steep import duties likely to apply if NAFTA is rolled-back.”

  63. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Interesting side note, you would think a company like Apple, based in the Bay Area, would be creating some of those new jobs in California.

    But no, the leftist policies are so bad here that Apple decided to expand its data center at an existing site in Nevada, rather than build one in California. Its not too far from the Tesla battery plant that Californian Elon Musk built over the border near Reno. Recently a silicon battery firm located in Riverside, California decided to move to Kentucky, taking over 600 jobs with it. Obama’s legacy lives in California!

    “Amid today’s news, the company also broke ground on a new site in Reno, Nevada. The new site is an expansion of a smaller data center that was started in 2012, Cook said.
    The total investment on the 1,700-acre Reno property will be about $2.6 billion and includes the cost of solar farms that will allow the data center to run on 100 percent renewable energy. Cook said it has been a “long-felt” desire and objective for Apple to run on 100 percent renewable energy.
    “When you look at the beautiful land here [in Nevada], it’s incredible,” Cook said. “We want to do everything we can do to keep it that way.”

  64. DW says:

    Generic Ballot – Ipsos/Reuters

    Drats 37
    GOP 32

    Drats +5

    Their prior poll was Drats +9

  65. DW says:

    So the three most recent generic ballot polls, all done well after the tax bill are Drats +5, +5, and +6.

    Quinn-a-out-of-whack still shows +17.

  66. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m waiting for a Hearing. Here are my posts for the day:

    Cash Cow – What did you find out about the geese?

    MG – I don’t care if I am the only person watching the NFL. E-A-G-L-E-S. EAGLES!

    Proud Obamacon – You almost seemed human. Then you went back to trolling.

    Paul – Get a new act, Bunu.

    A-holes – Stay deep and true to yourselves.

    Tina – Spell check. Try it.

    Robbie/Corey – Whatever. 2016 is over.

  67. Redmen4ever says:

    Consumer confidence up, Trump above water on economy, moderate gap on generic: Republican candidate should emphasize results over drama.

  68. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Today’s weekly first time unemployment claims’ report comes in at a 45 year low. MAGA!

  69. DW says:

    71–trolls hardest hit

  70. mnw says:

    DW

    Thx for posting generic.

    We worry. They worry,

    The difference is, we admit it, but the trolls just bray like a jackass on continuous loop.

  71. Tina says:

    Quinn is a sheothole polling firm.

    So way out there, on an island with the jebots.

  72. Tina says:

    I am home.

    Message for bl.

    Try to say aomething important today.

  73. MichiganGuy says:

    DW says:
    January 18, 2018 at 8:21 am
    So the three most recent generic ballot polls, all done well after the tax bill are Drats +5, +5, and +6.
    ————————————————————————————————————–
    DW, Morning Consult has dems +3

  74. Tina says:

    I am surprised that cnn aired this video about trump voters in ohio, still with him. They are former Ds that re registered.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=GmZe8J1HrlI

    Faux News also had a similar segment. They suggest that ohio is even more for trump today, than in 2016.

  75. Tina says:

    It would apoear that it is drat plus 4 or 5 nationally. Wise to toss the polls before the tax cuts and anything from quinn?

  76. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    ?
    @realDonaldTrump
    ….The Wall will be paid for, directly or indirectly, or through longer term reimbursement, by Mexico, which has a ridiculous $71 billion dollar trade surplus with the U.S. The $20 billion dollar Wall is “peanuts” compared to what Mexico makes from the U.S. NAFTA is a bad joke!
    3:25 AM – Jan 18, 2018

    Wall going up.

  77. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #79-Tina
    The Donald is a businessman and negotiates like one. Kelly is a military hero, but not a negotiator, per se.
    Trump is probably disappointed that Kelly gave away possible bargaining chips in the negotiation.

  78. DW says:

    78 – exactly. Trolls scoffed at me for saying this, but the fact is the tax bill is a huge deal. It would be obvious, even to democrat operatives, that pre-tax bill polling is rendered worthless…just like the pre-scandal polling of someone running who has a scandal exposed.

    73 – absolutely. The GOP could lose the house if things turn south. It is a legitimate worry. But its so far away, and given the strong economic numbers, I am hopeful the Dem gains will be minimal and the GOP will still hold both chambers.

  79. mnw says:

    You know what will decide control of the House?

    Events.

  80. dblaikie says:

    62 & 63 MG you know that I don’t take much stock in the actual poll numbers and I am suspicious of all polls. But I do think polls can reveal trends and since the tax bill most of these bogus polling firms are showing a trend towards the Republicans. Now historically generic polls were always skewed towards the dems. and I believe 100% that is the case. In addition it makes a difference who they are polling. Likely voter polls are always preferred over registered voters and polls polling adults are worthless.

    I believe these polls are going to scare the left. If so, expect a poll out in the next week or two from a leftest college firm or bogus media outfit that shows a huge gap with the dems. far ahead. Needless to say except for Robbie and PObamaCon it will be nothing but propaganda. When it comes remember who called it

  81. Chicon says:

    Mnw – no way, dude, -30 seats is already baked into the cake. Don’t you pay attention to the MSM, and Robbie? Sheesh….

  82. dblaikie says:

    82 I agree.

  83. Tina says:

    Dw, you seem correct on that.

  84. GPO says:

    The biggest threat to the house is left wing courts making states redraw lines before 2018

  85. DW says:

    Again, even the three toupees (Sabato, Cook, and Gonzales) say there is a good chance GOP retains house control. They have a long history of putting their thumbs on the D side of the scale.

    But even they collectively say the Ds would have to win ALL tossups, lose no D held seats, and then win about 8 that currently Lean R.

  86. DW says:

    88 – that, and strong GOP recruits shying away because they believe the leftist propaganda.

  87. Tina says:

    Bannon was combative with the committee, accusing them of participating in the get-Trump movement.

    The rooster now indicates that he will tell mulehead that Bannon would not be a credible witness. Example, claims tin wolfee book that Vida, the Russian fusion plant, met with the president. Turns out, bannon uh lied, no evidence to support the claim,

    Rooster has concluded that there are no ties, but drats want to do an obstruction charge for firing the fbi director.

    Yup, firing the fbi director, an action that any president can do. Two letters from swampstein and sessions recommeding comedys firing, and comedy telling trump that he was not under any investigation.

    Gowdy is the rooster

  88. mnw says:

    I have never been impressed by the courage of GOP wannabes. The fact that a couple of potentially strong GOP candidates have already passed in… ND (!!!!!!!) is just infuriating.

    Those guys must wear a belt AND suspenders, apparently.

    Lemme know if you ever identify a vulnerable DEM incumbent, guys.

    /s

  89. Robbie says:

    Just like last week with FISA 702 renewal, President Moron contradicted his own White House’s position on CHIP funding from 12 hours earlier because of something he saw on Fox N Friends. He is easily the most uninformed president on policy the country has ever had.

    Jake Sherman?
    @JakeSherman

    More: the White House put out a statement *last night* that said they support this bill and chip.

  90. Robbie says:

    FoxNews didn’t win a “Fake News Award” last night, but they certainly produced the biggest piece of fake news in 2017 when they wrote a story claiming the DNC murdered Seth Rich. Making matters worse, FoxNews has still not acknowledged their story was an outrageous lie.

    Chicon, you feel for this story. Any thoughts?

    https://www.npr.org/2017/09/15/551163406/fox-news-has-yet-to-explain-what-what-wrong-in-seth-rich-story

  91. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    1h
    We need the Wall for the safety and security of our country. We need the Wall to help stop the massive inflow of drugs from Mexico, now rated the number one most dangerous country in the world. If there is no Wall, there is no Deal!

    No wall, no daca deal.

  92. mnw says:

    RRH is all tingly foot over an independent candidate for MO Senate— some dude nobody ever heard of. One of those “life long conservative Republicans” who… contributed to Hillary, of course! Now he says he’s a centrist alternative.

  93. Tina says:

    Of course, the independent, life long r, that loves hillary and agrees with the drats.

    Sounds like mcmuffin

  94. mnw says:

    Tina

    Yes. It has DEM fingerprints all over it.

  95. Paul says:

    I’d think a Flake-esque independent may hurt Claire more than the GOP candidate.

  96. Robbie says:

    John Cornyn attempts to explain to President Moron that what he saw on Fox N Friends was, as usual, wrong.

    Senator John Cornyn?
    @JohnCornyn

    The current house Continuing Resolution package has a six-year extension of CHIP, not a 30 day extension

  97. Robbie says:

    Who’s going to pay for the wall? NOT MEXICO!

  98. Cash Cow TM says:

    Doing some research….

    1. One of the women who Walt plays bridge with on Tuesdays…

    Her son in law and daughter live with her here in WV…
    Her SIL is a guitar player in the Zack Brown Band.

    2. One of Walt’s former students is married to Ted Budd…who was recently elected to the U.S. congress from NC.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Budd

    3. Walt now has a draft of about 200 pages of a potential book of what it was like growing up in the small town where he was raised.

  99. Cash Cow TM says:

    Mexico

    XI come
    (XI, leader of China?)

  100. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #100
    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
    That so-called Missouri Independent Senate candidate is pro- gun control, against the Southern wall and donated to Clinton’s campaign in 2016.
    He is just another CSPAN conservative.

  101. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Here are the 20 finalists for the new Apple Campus. CA has one contender(and it will not happen)- LA.Three(3) are in the DC area.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-18/amazon-unveils-20-city-finalists-hq2-expects-create-50000-jobs-winning-city

  102. mnw says:

    Sheep 105

    The name of the game is to demand to be included in the GE TV debate, & then hope to draw that 1% that might elect Claire.

  103. Robbie says:

    Seung Min Kim?
    @seungminkim

    I asked @SenJohnThune how he interpreted Trump’s CHIP tweet. “I don’t know. How did you interpret it? … I’m at a loss interpreting most of his tweets.”

  104. Bitterlaw says:

    In Pennsylvania, the Dems have 3 House seats in Philadelphia. They concentrate an overwhelming number of Dems in a small area. They would love to redraw districts to move some of those voters into suburban districts. However, it would be difficult and probably involve dividing individual blocks or sides of a street.

    Is that important enough for you, Tina?

  105. mnw says:

    I think the DEMs are doing an Ossoff-style sneak attack in PA-18– poor-mouthing their chances while betting the farm & pouring in millions of dollars.

    The DEM “won’t vote for Nancy Pelosi,” see… so he’s a real genuine moderate centrist!

    /s

  106. Tina says:

    Mnw, they always do it.

    They did it with mcmuffin in 2016,

    The concerned r running as an indy,

  107. Tina says:

    Is it muh Chip today?

  108. Tina says:

    109,not important bl.

    Carry on.

  109. mnw says:

    RAS 45 today. Last 4 = 46/45/45/45. Best stretch since last June.

  110. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #114
    Robbie will be sad when he reviews pg. 9 of this new PBS/Marist Poll. In the Congressional Generic Ballot, Indies are swinging toward the GOP.

    http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us180108_PBS_NPR/NPR_PBS%20NewsHour_Marist%20Poll_National%20Nature%20of%20the%20Sample%20and%20Tables_Trump_January%202018.pdf#page=3

    Overrall, D+6 in CGB. Trump at 40/51(RV).

  111. Chicon says:

    Methinks somebody is vewy, vewy upset about the recent spate of generic congressional ballot polls. That certain somebody alleges that he pulls for the Republicans, so you’d think he’d be happy about these developments. Right?

  112. Robbie says:

    MAGA! Normally wedge issues are used to split the other party. President Moron uses them to split his own party.

    Haley Byrd
    ?@byrdinator

    Trump’s tweet about CHIP shows he is either splitting with GOP or he doesn’t understand the policy.

    It’s also the second time in two weeks that he has undercut the GOP leadership stance on a consequential bill via Twitter just hours before the vote.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-tweet-about-chip-shows-he-is-either-splitting-with-gop-or-doesnt-understand-the-policy/article/2011189

  113. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #119
    If Ms. Byrd opines about something, it must be gospel!

  114. DW says:

    Generic Ballot:

    Morning Consult D+3
    Marist D+6
    Economist/You Gov D+6
    Reuters/IPSOS D+5
    Emerson D+5

    Average is about D+5. Not enough of a margin to flip the house.

  115. Tina says:

    Drats are gerting hit,

    Mitchie, drats want to cut Chip.

    Ryan, drats want to shut the gubment down.

    The rinos are using drat tactics foing after drats.

  116. Chicon says:

    Muh cognitive slippage….

  117. Tina says:

    Trump, drats want to shut gubment over daca.

    Drats are melting.

  118. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    January 18, 2018 at 11:42 am
    Methinks somebody is vewy, vewy upset about the recent spate of generic congressional ballot polls. That certain somebody alleges that he pulls for the Republicans, so you’d think he’d be happy about these developments. Right?

    – Methinks Chicon is still very embarrassed he fell for the Rod Wheeler’s claim on FoxNews the DNC murdered Seth Rich. I would be too so I guess that’s why he continues to deflect. That said, I am surprised Chicon refuses to admit he was wrong to believe such a disgusting conspiracy theory.

    As for the generic ballot, the narrowing does not show Republicans improving their position. It shows Democrat’s position fluctuating. In poll after poll, the Republican position in the generic ballot sits in the high 30’s, occasionally hitting 40%. It almost never moves as evidenced by the RCP graph.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2018_generic_congressional_vote-6185.html

    In contrast, all of the variance in the polling is on the Democrat side. If a pollster pushes hard to get a position, the number for Democrats is higher. If a pollster doesn’t push hard to get a position, the Democrat number is lower.

    Regardless, poll after poll shows Democrats with a sizable lead in the generic ballot and Trump with a historically low approval rating for a president at this point in his first term. Until the Republican generic ballot number actually goes up and Trump’s approval rating goes up, nothing has changed. But if it makes you feel better to think otherwise, go for it.

  119. Chicon says:

    121 – this should please legitimate conservatives, shouldn’t it? I’d think that “Republicans” who are not pleased with this want to see their party damaged at the ballot box TO SEND A MESSAGE.

  120. Tina says:

    So, cnn reports that trump is at an increased risk for heart disease, a major heart attack in 3to 5 years, based on dr. Quacka.

    Dr. Quack reads the wrong numbers.

  121. Chicon says:

    125 – Lotta gymnastics to find that negative kernel, sizzle chest. Nice work.

  122. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    January 18, 2018 at 11:39 am
    #114
    Robbie will be sad when he reviews pg. 9 of this new PBS/Marist Poll. In the Congressional Generic Ballot, Indies are swinging toward the GOP.
    http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us180108_PBS_NPR/NPR_PBS%20NewsHour_Marist%20Poll_National%20Nature%20of%20the%20Sample%20and%20Tables_Trump_January%202018.pdf#page=3
    Overrall, D+6 in CGB. Trump at 40/51(RV).

    – This poll may mean something if other’s show something similar, but the key to poll is the Republican number rarely moves from the high 30’s to 40%. All of the variance/fluctuation is on the Democrat side. Until the Republican number and Trump’s approval actually go up (not just Democrat number going down), this doesn’t mean much.

  123. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    January 18, 2018 at 11:40 am
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01/figures-cnns-dr-gupta-misdiagnosed-trumps-calcium-level-gave-fakediagnosis/
    Dr.. gupta is an idiot.

    – Says the person who views Pizzagate gate conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec as a credible source.

  124. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    January 18, 2018 at 11:49 am
    #119
    If Ms. Byrd opines about something, it must be gospel!

    – And yet when some red hat MAGA moron says something, you will say it’s proof Trump is a Christ-like figure sent from God to save us.

  125. Tina says:

    The trollys need to re read a transcript on the wall from 8/16, 2months before the election.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ByronYork/status/953975139720364032/photo/1

    I know trollys are concerned about the wall not going across the entire border.

  126. Tina says:

    Muh pizza.

  127. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    January 18, 2018 at 11:55 am
    Generic Ballot:
    Morning Consult D+3
    Marist D+6
    Economist/You Gov D+6
    Reuters/IPSOS D+5
    Emerson D+5
    Average is about D+5. Not enough of a margin to flip the house.

    – And as you well know, the Republican number in those polls barely breaks 40%. The fluctuation is on the Democrat side. Republicans at 40% nationally, basically in line with Trump’s approval, is a bad omen. The only thing that will save the House is Trump’s approval rating going to 45% and he’s shown no inclination that he wants to do anything to raise it.

  128. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    January 18, 2018 at 11:57 am
    Muh cognitive slippage….

    – We agree! Anyone who falls for a conspiracy theory that the DNC had Seth Rich murdered is suffering from cognitive decline.

  129. Tina says:

    DRats are collapsing

    Muh mental failed

    Muh russian failed

    Muh heart attack failed.

    Disaster.

  130. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    January 18, 2018 at 12:01 pm
    125 – Lotta gymnastics to find that negative kernel, sizzle chest. Nice work.

    – Wrong, conspiracy theorist. It’s the kind of polling analysis that goes with top strategists and it’s the type of analysis that went on here before this forum became a Trump echo chamber.

  131. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    January 18, 2018 at 12:05 pm
    Muh pizza.

    – I’d be embarrassed too if I found credible a guy who claimed Hillary Clinton was running a underage child sex ring from the basement of Comet Pizza in Washington DC.

  132. Phil says:

    Everyone cool your jets. The election is ten months off.

  133. jason says:

    “Trump echo chamber.”

    Translation: some people accepted the results of the election.

  134. jason says:

    So Wobbie admits all Trump has to do is gain 5 points and the House is no longer in jeopardy, from 40% to 45%?

    Wow, I guess that is completely impossible to happen?

    It’s probably more possible than Hillary winning Utah, Idaho and Indiana.

  135. Tina says:

    Remember, jebots, newsweek says that hillary can become president, if theynfind collussion.

  136. jason says:

    – I’d be embarrassed too if I found credible a guy who claimed Hillary Clinton was running a underage child sex ring from the basement of Comet Pizza in Washington DC.”

    Yeah, because selling access to Clinton Foundation donors isn’t embarrassing.

  137. Tina says:

    Underage sex ring?

    Wtf are you babbling about?

  138. DW says:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2018_generic_congressional_vote-6185.html

    Gap now under 10 even on the RCP average. Of course its absurd they keep in the average polls over 1 month old, from PRIOR to the tax bill.

  139. Tina says:

    I support newsweak article. Hillary can become President. I know their is Trump, russian collusion somewhere.

    Jebot

  140. Tina says:

    Leader McConnell
    ?
    @SenateMajLdr
    “Stop playing political football with the health care of our children.” Will #Senate Democrats do just that with the 150,000 kids depending on #CHIP in #Alabama?
    9:09 AM – Jan 18, 2018

    The drats are getting hit on the shutdown,

  141. jason says:

    Remember, jebots, newsweek says that hillary can become president,”

    She didn’t win?

    “A survey from the Princeton Election Consortium has found that Hillary Clinton has a 99 per cent chance of winning the election over Donald Trump.

    Three days before the election, Ms Clinton has a projected 312 electoral votes, compared to 226 for Mr Trump. A total of 270 electoral votes are needed to win.

    The probability statistic was found by the university’s statistical Bayesian model.”

  142. Tina says:

    House panel to have access to fbi, dossier, fisa abuse.

    Let the leaks begin.

  143. jason says:

    We know where Wobbie got his 7 seat flip prediction from…

    “As for Democrats taking back control of a Republican-led senate, the Princeton Election Consortium projected a 78 per cent likelihood,”

  144. Tina says:

    Damn russians prevented her feom winning.

    Or was it her coughing, collapsing, haggered look, 2nd debate beatdown, weeks off the stage, no apoearances with the creepy vp choice, etc?

  145. jason says:

    and he’s shown no inclination that he wants to do anything to raise it.”

    Translation: the fact the fake news MSM is 99% negative on Trump 24/7 has nothing to do with it.

  146. Tina says:

    Princeton consortium with an assist from lord arsehat?

  147. Robbie says:

    Is this the kind of criminal immigrant who will be deported?

    Yashar Ali
    @yashar

    Hungarian Police Have A Warrant Out For Former Trump Advisor Sebastian Gorka

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/hungarian-warrant-for-sebastian-gorka?utm_term=.bjq6GZ88G#.uyr80Y990

  148. Phil says:

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  149. NYCmike says:

    Phil,

    Wake up!

    Robbie predicted DOOM!

  150. Tina says:

    Trump goes to pentagon. Blames drats for wanting to shut the gubment down, will hurt mikitary.

    We are winning.

  151. Tina says:

    Sean Davis
    ?
    @seanmdav
    Schiff and the rest of the House Intel Democrats saw the DOJ/FBI/FISA docs on the dossier over a week ago. The lack of any leaks plus their votes today to block release of that info suggest the documents are catastrophically bad for Dems.
    8:53 AM – Jan 18, 2018

    Boom.

  152. Chicon says:

    DW – turns out that the narrowing of the congressional generic ballot polls was merely illusionary. Who knew? Well, everyone who knows Robbie…..

  153. DW says:

    151 – exactly. One of the areas MD and I strongly disagreed on was Candidate Hillary in early 2016.

    Back then MD suggested to me that I was underestimating her strength…that she was a serious candidate that any of the GOP options would struggle to defeat.

    I was on HHR mocking her for her huge weaknesses and that in the end voters would not warm to her ugly mug, her shrill voice, haggardly appearance, or her condescension and overall lack of skills. She was not wanted or liked, I would say.

    I used to find web pages headlined with a pic of Hillary and then provide the link here with the warning issued:

    WARNING: The link below shows the actual face of Hillary Clinton. Viewer discretion is advised.

    Or something like that.

    In the end, I was right about her. She was probably the only candidate the Dems could nominate who could not defeat the GOP opponent. Of course the GOP nominated a similarly flawed candidate, but she was SO bad she couldn’t even defeat Trump.

    Years from now historians will marvel how it could be that a major party could have nominated such woefully unqualified and unprepared candidate as Hillary Clinton.

    At best, she was the sort of throw-away candidate a party runs in an environment when they know they cannot win but have to have someone on the ballot (like 1984 Mondale).

  154. NYCmike says:

    From Instapundit:

    “IF ONLY CONGRESS COULD AGREE TO ZERO FUNDING FOR AGENCIES: One of the bizarre features of the CFPB’s unconstitutional structure is that the Bureau gets no funding from Congress. Instead, the Director simply writes to the Fed requesting funds, which the Fed has to grant up to a certain variable limit. Acting Director Mick Mulvaney has just put in his first such request – for $0.

    Politico Pro reports:

    In a letter to Fed chair Janet Yellen obtained by POLITICO, Mulvaney wrote that the bureau already has $177 million in the bank, enough to cover the $145 million the bureau has budgeted for its second quarter. Cordray had maintained a “reserve fund” in case of overruns or emergencies, but Mulvaney said he didn’t see any reason for it, since the Fed has always given the bureau the money it needs. Mulvaney, who is also Trump’s budget director, noted that instead of advancing the funds to the bureau, the Fed could return them to the Treasury and reduce the deficit.

    “While this approximately $145 million may not make much of a dent in the deficit, the men and women at the Bureau are proud to do their part to be responsible stewards of taxpayer dollars,” Mulvaney wrote.

    I can’t stop smiling.

    ETA: More from the excellent Paul Bedard at the Washington Examiner here.”

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/win-for-taxpayers-as-consumer-protection-bureau-chief-seeks-0-for-agency/article/2646293

  155. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    Did you happen to see that story about the CFPB?

    That was a very “liberal” action taken!

  156. DW says:

    now if RCP will just drop the three polls from December, before the tax bill, the average will tighten the gap even more.

  157. Chicon says:

    160 – it is my belief that both parties have major factions that are mad at their respective party. Had the Dems not had the super delegate failsafe, good chance it would have been Bernie v. Donald. That would’ve been something.

  158. Mr.Vito says:

    Ben shapiro looked up the calcium numbers and found that Trumps is actually better than average and an improvement from the previous one in terms of percentile.

    Gupta frankly should be fired.

  159. Mr.Vito says:

    Foxnews: Drone saves Australian teen swimmers in world’s 1st rescue mission with unmanned aircraft

    Neat.

  160. MichiganGuy says:

    Nevada Governor GE:

    Adam Laxalt (R) 44% (+6)
    Steve Sisolak (D) 38%
    .
    Adam Laxalt (R) 45% (+11)
    Chris Giunchigliani (D) 34%

    AdamLaxalt (R) Internal Poll

    https://t.co/zLA6iK2Die

  161. DW says:

    from RRH:

    Top Dem recruit for Mississippi Senate race Brandon Presley is not going to mount a bid. Sources close to him say that it’s because he views Wicker as the likely nominee and that McDaniel won’t be able to win the primary.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/18/brandon-presley-no-mississippi-senate-bid-345708

    –Sounds like its yet another person who didn’t get the troll’s memo that its a guaranteed blue wave.

  162. dblaikie says:

    The Laxalt name in Nevada is a magic bullet. Paul Laxalt was Ronald Reagan’s best friend and a beloved politician in the silver state. I grew up in Carson City and my parents were friends with the Laxalts. The only election he ever lost was to Cannon and by less than 100 votes. Paul would have won but a bunch of basques in Elko, Nevada wrote in Paul’s name on the ballot rather than punching it in the right place. They were all thrown out. Thought a little Nevada political trivia would be fun. Adam Laxalt will win!

  163. DW says:

    171 – hopefully pull senate race across finish line too.

  164. Chicon says:

    http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/01/18/intel-committee-democrats-trying-keep-dossier-information-away-fellow-house-members/

    Why, indeed, would Schiff not want other members to see the facts? Because he can’t control the leaks? The saw the info on the FISA warrant and the dossier a week ago – I wonder why there’s been no leaks about the contents? Could it be that facts look bad for Schiff’s side?

  165. Tina says:

    Schiff is crapping in his pants.

    He also likely got caught up in leaking during jrs testimony.

  166. mnw says:

    dblaikie

    Cannon was in the mob’s hip pocket. The character of the Nevada senator in The Godfather film (the one who wakes up in bed with a murdered hooker) was inspired by Cannon.

    Harry Reid is widely reported to have retired abruptly because of new reports concerning his own mob ties.

  167. DW says:

    I wonder what if must feel like to be one of those Ron Paul supporters who cashed in all their mutual funds in 2009 to buy gold, knowing they would be the only ones in the country with any wealth by 2018.

  168. DW says:

    From RRH:

    The campaign team for House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) announced Thursday that the GOP leader raised $44 million in 2017, a record amount of money for a year without a major election. Ryan is transferring $32 million of those funds to the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) ahead of the midterm elections, his team said in a release on Thursday.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/369584-ryan-announces-record-fundraising-in-2017-transfers-32m-to-nrcc

    –Apparently these donors didn’t get the troll’s memo either.

  169. mnw says:

    Trump is in western PA today to help the GOP candidate, Saccone, in PA-18.

    The DEM who won the state Senate seat in WI never attacked Trump & emphasized anti-opioid programs. That is what McCaskill is doing, btw.

    The DEMs are not sneaking up on anybody in PA-18 this time. The obvious way to combat Republican/ Trump apathy is a big GOTV push— boots on the ground.

  170. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Trump’s tweet about CHIP shows he is either splitting with GOP or he doesn’t understand the policy.”
    _________________________________
    Trump prolly thinks CHIP program has something to do with California Highway Patrol

  171. Cash Cow TM says:

    Paul Laxalt
    *************
    Laxalt
    Tax all

  172. Tina says:

    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    Glenn Simpson says that Bruce Ohr wanted more information about dossier. Said that Ohr was someone Steele knew. Did not mention that his wife Nellie Ohr worked for Fusion.

    They have simpson for lying.

    Charge him.

  173. Tina says:

    House int lligence committee

    The do estic spying is worst than wstwrgate.

  174. Tina says:

    Gaetz secret fisa warrant will shake our democracy to its core.

    The big ugly has started.

    Mulehead is neutered as is swampstein.

  175. Mr.Vito says:

    California AG: Employers who Cooperate With Federal Immigration Raids Will be Prosecuted

    https://ntknetwork.com/california-ag-employers-who-cooperate-with-federal-immigration-raids-will-be-prosecuted/

    On Drudge

  176. Robbie says:

    Who hasn’t formed an LLC in Delaware in order to pay off a porn star to keep quiet about a yearlong sexual affair? MAGA!

    Josh Dawsey?
    @jdawsey1

    WSJ reports Trump’s lawyer created a Delaware LLC to pay adult film star $130,000 in hush money a month before the 2016 election.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-lawyer-used-private-company-pseudonyms-to-pay-porn-star-stormy-daniels-1516315731

  177. Tina says:

    The dam is bursting on fusion, simpson, the dossier,

    Duck and cover.

  178. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    175. “Cannon was in the mob’s hip pocket. The character of the Nevada senator in The Godfather film (the one who wakes up in bed with a murdered hooker) was inspired by Cannon.”

    Just Cannon? Unfortunately the influence of unsavory types with Nevada politicians was bipartisan and pervasive.

  179. DW says:

    184 – maybe a constitutional crisis forming, no?

    The left went nuts just at the possibility that GOP governors would defy Obama. Shoe on the other foot now.

  180. Tina says:

    THe House intelligence committee is the only committee of importance, followed byngrassleys comitte.

    The drats are melting down,

  181. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    185. Robbie, it seems you spend every waking moment trying to find dirt on Trump?

  182. Tina says:

    The house will be forced to release the classified report,

    There is no turning back now.

    The drats blocked it in committee from being released because they know the illegal spying is an issue.

  183. Tina says:

    Gowdy

    Is anything in the dossier credible.

    Simpson

    No.

  184. phoenixrisen says:

    There go the Dems mid-term election prospects in 2018. The tax deal is already having a huge impact and if the Dems shut down the government, their losses in the Seante could be severe. GOP has a huge fundraising edge. If Dems shut it down, they will rely on the media to help them but so don’t see how they hold up. If they fold pre-shutdown, their base will be ticked. If they told post-shutdown, the whole country will be ticked at them for shutting the country down because they won’t get the DREAM Act voted on. What a horrible time for their political strategists.

  185. Mr.Vito says:

    190 It is his Jedi mission to bring balance to HHR.

  186. Tina says:

    The drat leader piglosi should have never made the crumbs comments re taxes.

    Btw, she did a presser today and was visibly shaking.

    Hope she is ok..

  187. Tina says:

    ??MFLYNNJR??
    ??MFLYNNJR??
    @mflynnJR
    ·
    4m
    “A THREAT TO OUR DEMOCRACY”

    No surprise this isnt trending. @Twitter would rather allow a fake story about Trump and a FORBES MAGAZINE
    Shell Covfefe??????
    @MichelleRMed
    Embedded video
    Holy crap!! Breaking: Rep Gaetz wants an intelligence doc released that he just read whic

  188. mnw says:

    Tina

    Thx for keeping us posted about this complex story.

  189. mnw says:

    What Tina is referencing does sound BIG.

  190. NYCmike says:

    I predict Robbie will mention Seth Rich, pizzagate, “shaming the FBI”, “TRUMP CHUMP” and porn stars in the next 1/2 hour.

  191. Tina says:

    Sean Davis
    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
    ·
    1h
    Simpson, under oath, described a top DOJ official whose wife worked for Fusion GPS as “someone that Chris Steele knows.” Incredible.

    Simpson lied here, needs to be charged.

  192. Tina says:

    Very big discrepancy here in Simpson’s Senate and House testimony. In Senate, says he met Bill Browder when he was with Wall Street Journal (pre-2009). He told House he didn’t know who Browder was when he took up Prevezon case in 2013.
    Another lie.

    Obstruction too.

  193. Tina says:

    Chuck Ross
    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    ·
    39m
    Glenn Simpson acknowledges that his working with Natalia Veselnitakaya and Rinat Akhmetshin during the period when they attended the Trump Tower meeting was a “remarkable” coincidence. Maintains in testimony he knew nothing of the meeting.

    Yeah remarkable. /s

  194. NYCmike says:

    House Freedom Caucus will support a CR. Supposedly, in the Senate, besides the Democrat Party, which Republicans will NOT SUPPORT the CR?

    Will the usual suspects call them “deadenders”?

  195. NYCmike says:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/18/new-york-city-homeless-shelter-billionaires-row-backlash

    -I do NOT support DeBlasio in wanting to put homeless shelters “in every neighborhood”.

    BUT, I do not mind seeing the people who give lots of $$$$ to the Democrats have to fight and squirm a bit!

  196. phoenixrisen says:

    #204. Oh my! Am I silly to think this sounds like a reverse Watergate though a heck of a lot more complex. It is like domestic counter-intelligence to feed a de-legitimizing narrative the Dems could use against Trump post-Obama.

  197. Tina says:

    House passes cr.

    Ds in senate to block it.

    Shutdown thanks to the ds.

  198. Tina says:

    I think we will find out what sessions has been doing, really soon.

  199. Tina says:

    Tonight Rep. Gaetz added that Rod Rosenstein and Bruce Ohr, the demoted agent at the Department of Justice, will be immediately fired after the memo is released.

    Breaking.

  200. phoenixrisen says:

    @Seanmdav

    Tina, caught this additional nugget from Sean Davis:

    “Schiff and the rest of the House Intel Democrats saw the DOJ/FBI/FISA docs on the dossier over a week ago. The lack of any leaks plus their votes today to block release of that info suggest the documents are catastrophically bad for Dems.”

    This might be why Pelosi is shaking. I don’t want to say this could become 1974 mid-term wipeout style election that the GOP endured that Democrats are facing. But it is pleasant to think about imagine. Multiple GOP congressman are calling for the release of the report.

    Phil, get your popcorn ready.

  201. Tina says:

    Conversation
    David Reaboi
    David Reaboi
    @davereaboi
    Fusion GPS/Obama Admin collision to use national security apparatus against a rival campaign is easily the biggest story of our time. If you’re not on the case, it reveals something about you.

  202. phoenixrisen says:

    Yup, caught that tweet too on Davis’ twitter feed. Going to be awfully ugly.

  203. Phil says:

    Popping another batch as we speak, phoenix.

  204. phoenixrisen says:

    Any idea on Party ID cross tabs on latest generic congressional ballot polling? 2010 mid-term of Obama’s first term was 35D/35R/30I. 2016 was D+4.

  205. phoenixrisen says:

    Dems shutting down government, FISA political nuclear bomb about to go off, booming economy. Good times.

  206. Tina says:

    ad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    4m
    Dem TX Rep Al Green to attempt to impeach Trump again tomorrow after salty language last week. Green: “It has become evident that the President’s high misdeed of attempting to convert his bigoted comments into policy are high misdemeanors and impeachable.”

    Lol

  207. phoenixrisen says:

    Via Ace:

    House Report Concluded Pakistanis Made ‘Unauthorized Access’ To Congressional Servers

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/16/house-report-concluded-pakistanis-made-unauthorized-access-to-congressional-servers/

    Oh Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. No wonder you wanted the servers back.

    More fuel to the fire on top of FISA report.

  208. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    6m
    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) on the floor now. Says the bill should be “an easy yes vote.” McConnell is now teeing up the blame game to target Democrats if they don’t help them get to 60 yeas to break the filibuster and avert a government shutdown.
    3
    37
    42
    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    11m
    McConnell on the floor. Expect a sense of where we’re going in the Senate on the interim spending bill shortly.

    If this is the new mitchie, i like it.

  209. phoenixrisen says:

    #217 Must have some astronomically long arms to make that big of a reach.

  210. Tina says:

    Muh salty language.

  211. Tina says:

    is the next shoe to drop.

  212. mnw says:

    Tina

    Next shoe? I was hoping YOU knew.

  213. Tina says:

    Fbi made payments to the dossier, under comedy.

    That is the next shoe..

  214. Tina says:

    Chuck Ross
    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    ·
    18m
    I like how so many journos think that just because Glenn Simpson made an allegation it has to be true. Just because he said he thought the NRA was infiltrated by Russians doesn’t mean that the NRA was infiltrated with Russians. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. He doesn’t know.

    Proven liar to congress.

  215. Mr.Vito says:

    Supreme Court stayed the order for NC to redraw its maps 7-2.

  216. mnw says:

    Nice impeachment attempt you got there. Be a shame if it made a U-turn and blew the zh*t out of you.

  217. Tina says:

    Kambree Kawahine Koa
    ?
    @KamVTV
    Rep Matt Gaetz just said on #Hannity when the public sees the Intelligence Memo the whole Mueller investigation will be proven as 100% LIE.#FISAGate #ReleaseTheMemo
    6:14 PM – Jan 18, 2018

  218. Tina says:

    The President used salty language.

    We can impeach him and install Hillary.

    Jebot

  219. Tina says:

    So, the jebot scum media will try to make the following points.

    Trump laundered money.

    The nra is in cahoots with the russians.

    All lies by simpson

  220. mnw says:

    Tina

    Worry is my natural state.

    I worry that the public will consider the whole FISA-gate thing & conclude, “This is really difficult to understand! Zzzzz.”

  221. phoenixrisen says:

    What a load o crap. Schumer stating we shouldn’t keep doin* CRs and kickin he can down the road and instead do a fully funded annual budget. Strange that they never would do one in the 8 years Obama was in office which we all know why. Schumer also wants the spending caps (sequestration) lifted. Mitch calling Schumer out now on wanting to shut down the government because of immigration.

  222. Tgca says:

    Tina:
    BOOM!!!
    Mueller resigns after release of memo by House GOP.

    Robbie:
    DOOM!!!
    Blue wave coming and House GOP memo release won’t help.

  223. Tgca says:

    Tina BOOM!

    Robbie DOOM!

  224. Tgca says:

    BoomDoom!

    DoomBoom!

  225. Tgca says:

    Let’s see how many words can be made from BoomDoom.

  226. mnw says:

    Tgca

    I loved FL. Almost relocated there 20 yrs ago— passed the FL bar and everything. Then life intervened. Got job up north; married someone with no interest in FL.

    The path not taken, eh?

    I thought the Gulf Shores National Sea Shore was the most beautiful, serene place I ever saw.

  227. DW says:

    http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/369536-census-data-show-people-flocking-to-low-tax-states

    +4 Electoral votes as a net on states Trump won. Of course the numbers are preliminary estimates.

  228. Tina says:

    I do not think so, mnw. This dam has bursted. Hard to stop it now.

  229. mnw says:

    DW & Tina

    Powerline blog has a new entry up that is quite startling, at least to me:

    “Simpson admits dossier was leaked to help Clinton campaign”

  230. mnw says:

    Tina 241

    I respect your judgment on these matters.

  231. Tina says:

    tealth Jeff Retweeted
    Wayne Sida
    Wayne Sida
    @neurosidafex
    ·
    30m
    Replying to @drawandstrike and @Olivianuzzi
    Evelyn Farkas quote has significance today: “that the Trump folks – if they found out how we knew what we knew about their … the Trump staff dealing with Russians – that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we no longer have access to that intelligence

  232. Tina says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/954178506212036608/photo/1

    Here are the pics of the criminals in the fbi.

    Pete the cheat is on the left, a separate picture.

    The mistress is Lisa Page, an an attorney.

    The counsel is at top right.

    Crooked mccabe is front and center.

  233. Tina says:

    @FoxNews
    10m10 minutes ago
    More
    .@seanhannity: Bombshell Memo on FISA Surveillance Shows Abuse of Power ‘Far Worse Than Watergate’

  234. mnw says:

    Odd absence of trolls tonite.

  235. Gpo says:

    “It’s troubling. It’s shocking,” North Carolina Rep. Mark Meadows said. “Part of me wishes I didn’t read it. I don’t want to believe that those kinds of things are happening in this country that I love so much.”#ReleaseTheMemo

  236. lisab says:

    Odd absence of trolls tonite.
    ———————————-

    well seeing they are one person …

    sometimes they have a world of warcraft game meeting

  237. mnw says:

    lisab

    Here, I’ll do the Duckcommander troll call:

    LOL !!!!! (but is five “!” enough?)

    SAD !!!

    Yall (sic) (h/t illiterate moron ”accountingfield”)

    LOOSAHS !!!!

    It’s OVAH !!!

  238. Paul says:

    Sounds like no budget deal to me.

  239. Paul says:

    WoW game over now. Maybe Robbie will show up too.

  240. mnw says:

    lisab

    It worked!

    Paultroll appeared.

  241. Paul says:

    I see Tinfoil Tina has had a busy day peddling her bogus crap.

  242. Paul says:

    Where has Soccer Mom (aka Trump) been lately?

  243. mnw says:

    Why is it bogus crap, Paultroll?

    Can you explain your reasoning?

  244. mnw says:

    Waiting…

  245. Paul says:

    mnw: It is bogus because their absolutely no basis for the crap. And none of it is illegal. It is just a bunch of masterbatory excitement on you and Tina’s part so enjoy it while it lasts.

  246. Paul says:

    mnw: Some of us live in the world of reality. Obviously that doesn’t include your little world in the basement of your parents house.

  247. lisab says:

    It worked!

    Paultroll appeared.
    ——————————–

    yeah …

    they are not too difficult to trigger

  248. mnw says:

    Answer the f’ing question!

    Why are Tina’s posts about FusionGPs & Steele “a load of bogus crap”?

    I suspect you can not answer for the same reason you are a little weak on astrophysics, Obamacareboy.

    My parents have been dead for 50 years. And I don’t have to turn to Obamacare to support MY kids. You?

  249. mnw says:

    “their absolutely no basis” (sic)

    REALLY? Can u spell cat if I spot you a “c” & a “t,” Paultroll?

  250. Tina says:

    “I have read the memo. The sickening reality has set in. I no longer hold out hope there is an innocent explanation for the information the public has seen. I have long said it is worse than Watergate. It was #neverTrump & #alwaysHillary. #releasethememo,” tweeted King.

    Iowa rep.

  251. mnw says:

    My GOD!

    “Masterbatory” sic) ?

    I knew Paul was one dumb stupid m’ther, but “masterbatory”?

    I thought at least he was a High School dropout, but now? Sixth grade, maybe?

  252. Paul says:

    Sorry. I was trying out some of the scripts at troll central.

    Honestly, the FBI and CIA are all going down. And the dems are screwed. I’m just in shear panic.

  253. Tina says:

    Jack Posobiec ??
    ?
    @JackPosobiec
    #ReleaseTheMemo is now trending number 3 Worldwide

    Never seen anything like this

  254. Paul says:

    I feel like it is all slipping away. Our nation. Our freedom. Our democracy. Just the beginning.

  255. Paul says:

    Ship is sinking
    The ship is sinking
    The ship is sinking
    There’s leak, there’s a leak, in the boiler room
    The poor, the lame, the blind
    Who are the ones that we kept in charge?
    Killers, thieves, and lawyers
    God’s away, God’s away
    God’s away on business
    Business
    God’s away, God’s away
    God’s away on business
    Business
    Digging up the dead with a shovel and a pick
    It’s a job, it’s a job
    Bloody moon rising with a plague and a flood
    Join the mob, join the mob
    It’s all over, it’s all over, it’s all over
    And there’s a leak, there’s a leak, in the boiler room
    The poor, the lame, the blind
    Who are the ones that we kept in charge?
    Killers, thieves, and lawyers
    God’s away, God’s away, God’s away
    On Business
    Business
    God’s away, God’s away
    On Business
    Business, ha
    Goddamn there’s always such a big temptation
    To be good, to be good
    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby
    It’s a deal, it’s a deal
    God’s away, God’s away, God’s away
    On business
    Business
    God’s away, God’s away, God’s away
    On business
    Business
    I narrow my eyes like a coin slot baby
    Let her ring, let her ring
    God’s away, God’s away
    God’s away on business
    God’s away, God’s away
    God’s away on business, business

  256. lisab says:

    You can’t always get what you want
    You can’t always get what you want
    You can’t always get what you want
    But if you try sometimes
    Well, you might find
    You get what you need

  257. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Los Angeles police department has so far spent over 10 million dollars leasing 288 electric vehicles, which they rarely use. They still are claiming that “It’s all a part of saving the Earth, going green …”

    “The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) made a big deal of its announcement that it is leasing 288 electric vehicles, including 160 fully-electric vehicles (mostly BMW i3s) back in 2015.
    But now that the fleet has been in operation for over a year, a report shows that the all-electric vehicles are barely being used.
    In a new report, CBS Los Angeles‘ David Goldstein obtained the mileage of all the vehicles, which revealed that several only had a few hundred miles on the odometer and those with the most mileage only had a few thousand miles.
    Goldstein said in the report:
    “Sources say some personnel are reluctant to use the electric cars because they can only go 80-100 miles on a charge. And the mileage logs we obtained seem to back that up. From April 2016 when the project started through August 2017, we found most of the electric cars have only been used for a few thousand miles. And a handful are sitting in the garage with only a few hundred on them.”
    Here’s a screenshot of some of the data:

    The city is reportedly leasing the BMW i3 vehicles at a cost of $10.2 million, which includes charging stations that were installed at police facilities.
    LAPD Deputy Chief Jorge Villegas defended the program despite the low usage:
    “It’s all a part of saving the Earth, going green … quite frankly, to try and save money for the community and the taxpayers.””

  258. JC says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/18/gop-lawmakers-demand-alarming-memo-on-fisa-abuses-be-made-public.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

    “It is so alarming, the American people have to see it,” Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan said.

    “It’s troubling. It’s shocking,” North Carolina Rep. Mark Meadows said. “Part of me wishes I didn’t read it. I don’t want to believe that those kinds of things are happening in this country that I love so much.”

    “I believe the consequence of its release will be major changes in people currently working at the FBI and the Department of Justice,” Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz said.

    “You think about, ‘is this happening in America or is this the KGB?’ That’s how alarming it is,” Pennsylvania Rep. Scott Perry said.

    @SteveKingIA
    I have read the memo. The sickening reality has set in. I no longer hold out hope there is an innocent explanation for the information the public has seen. I have long said it is worse than Watergate. It was #neverTrump & #alwaysHillary. #releasethememo

    @SaraCarterDC
    I was told by a congressional source that “roughly 50 to 60 Congressional members viewed the House Intelligence Committee #FISAabuse report” and many are calling to #ReleaseTheDocuments

    @SaraCarterDC
    Will be on @seanhannity #Hannity tonight discussing the latest. Hope you tune in. A Bombshell House Intelligence report exposing extensive FISA abuse could lead to the removal of senior government officials via @@SaraCarterDC

  259. JC says:

    @wikileaks
    #ReleaseTheMemo: Do you know someone who has access to the FISA abuse memo? Send them here: (link: https://wikileaks.org/#submit) wikileaks.org/#submit

    WikiLeaks will match reward funds up to $1m sent to this unique Bitcoin address: 3Q2KXS8WYT6dvr91bM2RjvBHqMyx9CbPMN

    or marked ‘memo2018’: (link: https://wikileaks.org/donate) wikileaks.org/donate

  260. Tina says:

    Gov. Mike Huckabee
    ?
    @GovMikeHuckabee
    In Honduras yesterday and in Mexico today. Thought I’d ask local doctors if they could confirm Sanjay Gupta’s CNN tabloid TV diagnosis of @realDonaldTrump . Finally found one who did. She also reads palms and does foot massage.
    7:24 AM – Jan 18, 2018

  261. Tina says:

    Katica
    @GOPPollAnalyst
    2016 Obama: I guarantee there is no political influence in any investigation conducted by the Justice Dept. or the FBI

    Whoops

  262. mnw says:

    Paultroll @ 267 has the sadz because Trump.

    Well little trolly, now you know how WE felt for 8 long years.

  263. DW says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    January 18, 2018 at 9:29 pm
    Supreme Court stayed the order for NC to redraw its maps 7-2.

    That is HUGE. Stops them from giving the Drats a couple of free house seats by judicial activism.

    Gerrymandering is legal and should be protected. SOMEBODY has to draw the lines. The only fair way to do it is to give it to the party currently ruling the state–that way it puts in the voters hands as part of the high stakes that go with the elections.

    There is no such thing as a non-partisan committee. Whoever does it will have a slant that advantages one party over the other…so give it to the voters to choose the leaders who will do it.

    Sometimes the GOP gets to do it and its wonderful, sometimes the Dems get to do it and its awful. But its fair.

  264. mnw says:

    DW

    If the SCOTUS cases go against the GOP position, there would still be time to re-draw NC districts, however, I suspect.

    Doesn’t take long to draw lines on a map & print ballots.

  265. DW says:

    278 – not sure about…delays, delays, drag things out, then claim hardship and protecting the candidates who have invested their capital in good faith in the districts as they are.

    Judicial over-reach has gotten out of control, and the SCOTUS needs to put a stop to it.

  266. mnw says:

    I hope so. All up to Kennedy. That’s not a happy prospect.

  267. DW says:

    280 – hopefully Kennedy will see it from a civil liberty perspective…Hopefully our side will remind him how out of control it’s gotten, taking away power from the people. Like in Virginia when some activist judge ordered a university professor from California to remove a GOP district and give it to the Dems.

  268. DW says:

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/pope-shocks-chile-accusing-sex-abuse-victims-slander-52447841

    Wow–Pope stands up for the abusers and slams the victims. This will be hard for the left to reconcile. They love the pope for his communism, but this…

  269. Todd McCain says:

    Schumer is basically saying that the GOP controls all three levels of govt and they are going to get blamed no matter what.

    I am not so sure. This shutdown, which looks like 100% will happen, is a really risky play especially over DACA.

  270. Paul says:

    Todd: I’m not so sure either. I think Trump SHOULD get the blame. But he is the master at shifting the blame. I don’t think the Dems should mess with the master.

  271. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    “TV crew attempts to pass fake bomb through airport security…”
    ****************
    Reports say they were arrested by fake TSA agents and put in a fake prison.

  272. Cash Cow TM says:

    DJT needs to propose moving the UN from NYC to Haiti.

  273. Waingro says:

    If McConnell can somehow get to 50 votes for the CR, he needs to nuke the filibuster once and for all. Now is the perfect opportunity!

  274. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #284
    Why should Trump be blamed?

  275. Paul says:

    cuz he’s a sheothole.

  276. Paul says:

    He’s a racist sheothole.

  277. mnw says:

    What are YOU Paultroll?

    He’s POTUS and you’re on Obamacare… plus you are borderline illiterate.

  278. Marv says:

    #290 Paul,

    No he’s not, but so what? He’s still President and likely will re-elected. BTW, the notion that the Dems will capture the House this November is an illusion.

  279. Paul says:

    I own my own corporation. And therefore, of course, I’m on Obamacare (ACA healthcare exchange).

    Trump is a racist who doesn’t want protected status from shoetholes. Obviously if they weren’t so-called shoetholes, they would not require protected status. He’d rather they come from shoetholes like Norway.

  280. Marv says:

    Paul,

    Norway is nice…….Quisling being the exception.

  281. Paul says:

    So big of Trump to welcome refugees from Norway.

  282. SoHope says:

    I agree…If the dems shut down the government and the GOP has 50 votes they should let the government stay shut down for awhile and then nuke the filibuster on legislation. It’s the perfect time to and the Dems are playing right into the gop’s hands just like they did on the appointment filibuster.

  283. Robbie says:

    Let’s all remember McConnell/Ryan/Trump had agreed to an 18 month CR last Fall that would have taken any threat of a government shutdown off the table before the 2018 elections. Unfortunately, President Moron blew up that strategy when he agreed to the their three month CR proposed by his good friends Chuck and Nancy. And oh by the way, Chuck and Nancy telegraphed their intention to tie government funding to DACA.

    I know the red hat brigade will say “this time Republicans will win a shutdown fight”, but they won’t. First, the press has already sided with Democrats. Second, Republicans control all the levers of government. Third, even if Republicans had a good message, there’s ZERO reason to believe Trump can stay on message.

    Truth be told though, I can think of no better way to mark the first anniversary of Trump’s garbage first year as president then a government shutdown.

  284. Robbie says:

    SoHope says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:05 am
    I agree…If the dems shut down the government and the GOP has 50 votes they should let the government stay shut down for awhile and then nuke the filibuster on legislation. It’s the perfect time to and the Dems are playing right into the gop’s hands just like they did on the appointment filibuster.

    – What a great idea. Let’s make it easier for Democrats to pass whatever they want after they gain full control of the government in 2020. Brilliant! Then Trump can not only claim credit for destroying the reputation of the Republican Party and their Congressional majorities, he can also claim credit for the method by which Elizabeth Warren gets her universal healthcare plan passed.

  285. Paul says:

    Any chance of a last minute DACA deal?

  286. SoHope says:

    Democrats are going to be using the filibuster to shutdown the government against the will of the American people even though they do not have control of any branch of government or any house of the legislature that is the definition of obstruction. The media may try to prop the month but that’s the very definition of obstruction.

  287. Waingro says:

    Chad Pergram
    ?Verified account @ChadPergram
    4m4 minutes ago

    Trump now not heading to FL amid gov’t shutdown possibility.

  288. Paul says:

    I wonder if we’ll see a wall funding and DACA deal by the end of the day.

  289. SoHope says:

    Do we honestly think that the filibuster Will Survive many more years. If that was the only thing that kept a Democrat president and Democrat congress from passing Universal socialized Healthcare that they wouldn’t kill the filibuster themselves

  290. Robbie says:

    JD Vance has announced he’s not running for Senate in Ohio. That’s too bad because he could have beaten Sherrod Brown. Now, we’re stuck with Jim Renacci who will lose.

    Congrats to Sherrod Brown. His easy win in 2018 will almost certainly propel him to the top of the list of VP choices in 2020 for whomever the Democrats nominate.

  291. Robbie says:

    SoHope says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:28 am
    Do we honestly think that the filibuster Will Survive many more years. If that was the only thing that kept a Democrat president and Democrat congress from passing Universal socialized Healthcare that they wouldn’t kill the filibuster themselves

    – Yes and it should. That’s unless you want the Democrat agenda to pass with a party line vote starting in January 2021. Cap and trade, card check, massive tax increases, military reductions, a massive legalization of all immigrants, and a whole host of other Democrat dream items will be passed and Republicans will have no way to stop anything. Sorry. The filibuster is a good thing on legislation.

  292. Waingro says:

    “What a great idea. Let’s make it easier for Democrats to pass whatever they want after they gain full control of the government in 2020. Brilliant!”

    Robbie, so you are ALL in on the Dems retaking the Senate huh?

    Regardless, don’t kid yourself: as soon as the Dems DO get full control back, they will nuke the filibuster all together anyway. They’ve been openly hinting at that for a while. Dingy Harry set the stage in motion.

    The GOP might as well take advantage of the inevitable now, while they have the muscle.

  293. Robbie says:

    Paul says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:26 am
    I wonder if we’ll see a wall funding and DACA deal by the end of the day.

    – It won’t happen. First, there’s no time to write the legislation by midnight. Second, both bases are dug in and want nothing but trench warfare. The side that blinks (almost certainly Republicans) will face a backlash not seen in some time from its own voters. This shutdown could last a long, long time.

  294. Waingro says:

    “Do we honestly think that the filibuster Will Survive many more years.”

    Nope. Dems will do it if the GOP doesn’t first. Having said that, politically it needs to be done at the “right” time, and I do think a looming government shutdown presents that possibility.

  295. Todd McCain says:

    JD Vance had no money or organization whatsoever; where do you come to any conclusion he could beat Brown?

    Renacci is much better than Mandel.

  296. SoHope says:

    the Democrats nuking the filibuster if they gain control of Congress and the White House is baked into the cake. if one nightmare scenario happens than the other one will. The genie is out of the bottle with the filibuster.

  297. mnw says:

    Newby politicians would be well advised go start with a more modest target than U.S. Senate— especially if they have no money whatsoever, like Vance.

  298. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:31 am
    “What a great idea. Let’s make it easier for Democrats to pass whatever they want after they gain full control of the government in 2020. Brilliant!”
    Robbie, so you are ALL in on the Dems retaking the Senate huh?
    Regardless, don’t kid yourself: as soon as the Dems DO get full control back, they will nuke the filibuster all together anyway. They’ve been openly hinting at that for a while. Dingy Harry set the stage in motion.
    The GOP might as well take advantage of the inevitable now, while they have the muscle.

    – I am not all in on Democrats taking the Senate in 2018, but I am in 2020 if things continue down this path. Right now, I see Democrats winning the House in 2018 and them winning the Senate and presidency in 2020.

    In 2020 thanks to changing demographics, I can see Gardner, Perdue, and possible even whoever is the McCain replacement in AZ being in trouble.

    No one thought Alabama would be lost, but here we are. To assume this has to get better for Republicans simply ignores everything that’s happened over the last year.

  299. SoHope says:

    The question is which party having gained control of Congress does it first 2018 GOP or possible 2021 democrats

  300. Paul says:

    If Trump simply focused on the wall and border security, I’d think he could get a deal. And that would appear like a win for him.

    I imagine after a week of shutdown, the will have a deal with DACA and CHIP thrown in.

  301. SoHope says:

    there is no way that Purdue is in danger in Georgia

  302. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:34 am
    JD Vance had no money or organization whatsoever; where do you come to any conclusion he could beat Brown?
    Renacci is much better than Mandel.

    – Didn’t we say the same thing about Trump?

    McConnell was recruiting JD Vance to run because he knows Renacci can’t win. If Renacci was a good statewide candidate, why did his gubernatorial campaign go down in flames right from the start?

  303. Paul says:

    SoHope: Who says Perdue is in trouble?

  304. Robbie says:

    SoHope says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:35 am
    the Democrats nuking the filibuster if they gain control of Congress and the White House is baked into the cake. if one nightmare scenario happens than the other one will. The genie is out of the bottle with the filibuster.

    – Not all Democrats support the end of the filibuster and for Democrats to gain a Senate majority, they will need “moderates” like Tester, McCaskill, and a few others to win their races. I don’t see them blowing up the Senate to get a healthcare bill that will be every bit the electoral disaster Obamacare was.

  305. Todd McCain says:

    Because the OHGOP has stronger candidates for gov.

    Mike DeWine, in particular.

  306. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:35 am
    Newby politicians would be well advised go start with a more modest target than U.S. Senate— especially if they have no money whatsoever, like Vance.

    – Same advice you offered your boy Trump, right?

  307. SoHope says:

    There’s no way the republican’s should give in on DACA without meaningful security concessions. Trump makes things difficult by demanding wall when he should be using terms more nuanced using AWOL in some areas patrols and electronic surveillance and others but should be focusing more on things like e-verify chain migration and the immigration Lottery. The thing that would make the biggest difference is if they funded the hiring of immigration judges so that we did not have a 600k case backlog that stretched 2 years.

  308. Robbie says:

    SoHope says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:36 am
    The question is which party having gained control of Congress does it first 2018 GOP or possible 2021 democrats

    – Republicans will NEVER abolish the filibuster for legislation. If it happens, it will be the Democrats and I don’t see that happening.

    Going down this rabbit hole is bad idea unless you want unfettered liberal policy. The filibuster helps Republicans whether they’re in the majority or not.

  309. DW says:

    Here are the state by state congressional district changes as currently being projected, in advance of the 2020 census, and what it would mean for the POTUS election in 2024 and 2028:

    The GOOD:
    New York -1 (27 to 26) 28 EVs
    Rhode Island -1 (2 to 1) 3 EVs
    Illinois -1 (18 to 17) 19 EVs
    Arizona +1 (9 to 10) 12 EVs
    Texas +2 or +3 (36 to 38 or 39) 40 or 41 EVs
    Minnesota -1 or even (8 to 7) 9 EVs
    North Carolina +1 (13 to 14) 16 EVs
    Pennsylvania -1 (18 to 17) 19 EVs
    Michigan -1 (14 to 13) 15 EVs
    Florida +2 (27 to 29) 31 EVs

    Now I realize FL is a battleground state, but as long as the GOP needs it to win the white house anyway, its good to have more EVs in this state. I also realize MI and PA went GOP in 2016, and MN almost did. But for the sake of this exercise, I am considering these dropping a district good in light of the unlikelihood the GOP will be able to continue winning POTUS races in these states.

    The possibly good:
    Montana may stay the same, or go +1 (1 to 2) 4 EVs
    California may stay the same or go -1 (53 to 52) 54 EVs

    The BAD:
    West Virginia -1 (3 to 2) 4 EVs
    Alabama -1 (7 to 6) 8 EVs
    Oregon +1 (5 to 6) 8 EVs
    Ohio -1 (16 to 15) 17 EVs
    Colorado +1 (7 to 8) 10 EVs

    So lets say this works out reasonably well for the GOP as shown above. Here are the states the GOP candidate in 2024 would need to win to capture the Electoral College and the white house. The GOP would need these states to get to 264 EVs:

    WY: 3
    WV: 4
    OK: 7
    ND: 3
    ID: 4
    KY: 8
    SD: 3
    AL: 8
    AR: 6
    TN: 11
    NE: 5
    KS: 6
    MT: 4
    LA: 8
    IN: 11
    MO: 10
    UT: 6
    MS: 6
    AK: 3
    SC: 9
    IA: 6
    TX: 41
    OH: 17
    GA: 16
    NC: 16
    AZ: 12
    FL: 31

    So to get from 264 to 270, the GOP candidate would need to cobble together some options as shown below:

    WI: +10 = 274
    PA: +19 = 283
    MI: +15 = 279
    NV: +06 = 270
    MN: +09 = 273
    CO: +10 = 274
    VA: +13 = 277
    ME+NH: +8 = 272
    NM: +5 = 269-269 tie
    OR: +08 = 272

    Overall, a better condition than the GOP is in now, especially given NV alone can reach 270. But there are a wide variety of states the GOP candidate can choose from to make a concentrated effort to win and go over the top.

  310. SoHope says:

    we didn’t expect them to push through an insanely unpopular Obamacare Bill knowing that it meant their electoral demise but they did it anyway

  311. Robbie says:

    SoHope says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:38 am
    there is no way that Purdue is in danger in Georgia

    – There was no way Alabama could be lost either. Trump’s approval rating in a poll last week in GA was just 37%. People can claim that poll is a lie, but Georgia is not as solid Republican as the other Southern states are. Why? A growing black and Hispanic population in and around Atlanta. The margins for Republicans in Georgia have been steadily decreasing since 2004. And since Perdue is casting himself as one of Trump’s immigration lieutenants, it makes the road a lot tougher for him if the party is in the dumps in 2020 and Trump is the nominee with a barely 40% approval rating.

  312. SoHope says:

    That gives Republicans options for what angle to get there 270 a Rust Belt centric candidate or a candidate with latino appeal

  313. DW says:

    Jim Renacci is the best shot the GOP has, and given the economic boom we are in, I can see him winning this race. Of course he has to run a good campaign, but I am glad he replaced the already defeated Mandel.

  314. Paul says:

    I don’t think they’d have the votes to kill the filibuster. If they did kill it, I think that would only increase Dem wave momentum in 2018.

  315. Robbie says:

    SoHope says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:43 am
    we didn’t expect them to push through an insanely unpopular Obamacare Bill knowing that it meant their electoral demise but they did it anyway

    – Which is why there will be enough Democrats who balk at the idea. Why? Because they saw what happened the last time and there will be a time in the future when Republicans control all three branches and won’t be lead by a political incompetent president and a House majority fractured by the Freedom Caucus.

  316. Paul says:

    Thinking about it more… I can see Robbie’s point. Perdue may be too conservative for the Georgia of 2020.

  317. Robbie says:

    SoHope says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:46 am
    That gives Republicans options for what angle to get there 270 a Rust Belt centric candidate or a candidate with latino appeal

    – Smart idea to just give up on a fast growing segment of the population.

  318. SoHope says:

    Alabama was lost because the Republican candidate was fatally flawed and a possible child molester that doesn’t translate to other races in Georgia unless you know we nominate fatally flawed candidates that are possibly child molesters

  319. SoHope says:

    How is claiming that the GOP can win with either a Rust Belt appealing candidate or a Latino appealing candidate giving up on one of the largest growing segments of the population?

  320. Paul says:

    DW: Texas +2 or +3 (36 to 38 or 39) 40 or 41 EVs

    That might not be such good news, when the Dems win the state in 2024/2028.

  321. Robbie says:

    Paul says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:50 am
    Thinking about it more… I can see Robbie’s point. Perdue may be too conservative for the Georgia of 2020.

    – I don’t know that Perdue is too conservative for Georgia, but I do think Trump will likely be such a anchor that he could be in trouble. Same for Gardner. Same for others. Great or very good candidates still lose in toxic atmospheres. Ask Jim Talent. Ask Mike Dewine.

  322. SoHope says:

    I don’t care for Trump myself but it’s amazing seeing certain people become even more pessimistic when given good news about the current Administration

  323. Robbie says:

    SoHope says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:52 am
    Alabama was lost because the Republican candidate was fatally flawed and a possible child molester that doesn’t translate to other races in Georgia unless you know we nominate fatally flawed candidates that are possibly child molesters

    – Circumstances aside, I’m saying things can’t happen until they do happen. If you don’t think candidates who shouldn’t lose in 2020 can’t lose, then look at what happened in 2006 and 2008. A toxic atmosphere can sink anyone at anytime. Mark Warner almost lost in 2014 when Gillespie had almost run out of money.

  324. DW says:

    334 – just like how President Hillary Clinton won Texas in 2016.

  325. Robbie says:

    SoHope says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:53 am
    How is claiming that the GOP can win with either a Rust Belt appealing candidate or a Latino appealing candidate giving up on one of the largest growing segments of the population?

    – Good candidate like Reagan, GHWB, Clinton, and Obama won both. That should be the goal. We shouldn’t take the Steve Bannon approach of just writing off the Southwest in favor of the Rust Belt. Both can be won with good candidates.

  326. SoHope says:

    I get what you’re saying… never assume you’re safe as you assumed that Democrats are safe and the GOP is doomed

  327. SoHope says:

    Obviously the goal would be to have a good candidate. Preferably one that has a peel with a certain Community Obama did it with African Americans Reagan did it with working-class Democrats.

  328. Robbie says:

    SoHope says:
    January 19, 2018 at 11:56 am
    I don’t care for Trump myself but it’s amazing seeing certain people become even more pessimistic when given good news about the current Administration

    – I acknowledge the good economic news. It should be a boon for Trump and Republicans, but it hasn’t been because Trump’s personality and behavior have completely overshadowed it. And because of that, Trump and the party are being treated by the public as if we’re in the middle of a recession.

    It nice to acknowledge the good news, but it’s not registering with the public. That’s the problem and just assuming it eventually will is a mistake.

  329. DW says:

    For what its worth, RRH Elections posters are cheered by the news Vance is out in OH.

  330. SoHope says:

    the good news is registering with the public it’s just that Trump and his idiotic tweeting and bad messaging is getting in his own way. Trump Is His Own Worst Enemy. If he learned to stay on message and present himself as a hey I know I’ve said some things in the past that make you not like me personally but you can’t deny that my policies are working a significant Improvement in the polls which are already showing that they’re inching up

  331. SoHope says:

    the next few months will be pretty good for Trump. Iran is getting more and more isolated while play Arabic Middle East is getting closer to the US. The economy is still chugging along with new companies announcing positive economic news connected to the tax cut. The president will get significant security concessions in order to pass DACA. The US Canada and Mexico will finish their NAFTA negotiations and Trump will be able to stay in NAFTA but be able to brag about concessions he got whether they’re sizable or not. Trumps go to move is to saber rattle in any kind of negotiation and then claim whatever he gets as a victory.

  332. mnw says:

    DW 343

    I’m not sure which side RRH is on. Their “good news” might be bad news for us.

  333. DW says:

    346 – that’s why I said “for what its worth”

  334. jason says:

    So Wobbie now admits Trump is a good President except for his “personality”.

    Hallelujah, this is a major breakthrough.

    Could it be that Wobbie can finally see the difference between a good economy and Mika’s face, that one is not quite “equivalent” to the other.

  335. jason says:

    The fact Wobbie thinks Trump is not getting enough credit for his accomplishments means he understands the accomplishments.

    Now if he can just free himself from his fake news addiction….

    I know, that’s probably a bridge too far.

  336. Chicon says:

    Dems will have 400+ House seats and 87 Senate seats and the White House in 2020. What else is there to discuss?

  337. jason says:

    “Good candidate like Reagan, GHWB, Clinton, and Obama won both.”

    Clinton was a “good candidate”?

    LOL

    Clinton was the bottom feeder of the Democratic party, an obscure governor of Arkansas whose only moment in the spotlight was a bomb of a speech at the Dukakis convention, when the crowd booed him and only cheered when he said “in conclusion…”

    The top name Dems refused to run against GWHB who had 85% approval when it was decision time, so the only candidates willing to lose were Clinton, Tsongas (yeah, who?) and Moonbeam.

    In an incredible stroke of luck for Clinton, the economy started to sour, Bush looked as his watch during the debate and didn’t know the price of milk, Perot decided to run, the rogue prosecutor did what he could to help, and Clinton won with 43% of the vote.

    “Good candidate” my ass.

  338. Chicon says:

    Jason, it has been clearly established that Wobbles’ Goggles are a tad foggy, and he don’t see thangs too clear these days….

  339. DW says:

    351 – spot on. I vividly recall a political cartoon written at the time Bill Clinton was about to secure the nomination, and it was depicting the bloodbath that was the Dem primary process. It showed body parts strewn about with tags on them so one would know which candidate the parts belonged to. Bill Clinton’s caricature had the fewest pieces missing, so he was the nominee.

    The point was that he was the token sacrificial lamb of the party who would get slaughtered by Bush 41.

    Bill Clinton was no juggernaut. That is history revisionism.

    Perot stays out, Bush 41 takes it seriously, and Bush 41 wins going away…even with the poor economy.

  340. jason says:

    ow–Pope stands up for the abusers and slams the victims. This will be hard for the left to reconcile.”

    Maybe the Pope will now understand the people who love him because he is a communist don’t really love the Catholic Church.

  341. jason says:

    Bill Clinton was actually a horrible candidate that happened to be at the right place at the right time.

    Somewhat like Donald Trump.

    The difference is that probably Trump understood the opportunity, I think Clinton ran just for visibility.

  342. jason says:

    I would give Trump credit for understanding Jeb Bush was going nowhere, but 15 other Republicans understood it too so it didn’t take a genius.

  343. DW says:

    If Perot wasn’t working for the Clintons, he should have been–at least to get paid for his services. When a June Gallup poll showed him taking a lead, he panicked and dropped out of the race so his numbers would drop…then he got back in the race in July. Then when it looked like he could win again, he picked a veep candidate who came off like he was battling dementia…and that was the final straw to keep him from winning outright, and ensuring Bill Clinton would win.

  344. Big Joe says:

    Sen. Perdue defeated Michelle Nunn here in GA in 2014 by a score of 53-45. This was during a GOP wave election. Nunn (while probably not liked at HHR), was as good a candidate as the Democrats could run in GA in 2014 mostly due to her father’s positive reputation. You can’t fight the wave, but Nunn did hold the margin of defeat to 8 points which was the same margin as the presidential election in 2012.

    In 2016, GA was one of the few states to buck the national trend and move towards the Democrats. (Romney 53 Obama 45; Trump 51 Hillary 46)

    Does that put Perdue in jeopardy in 2020? Possibly. The numbers suggest that the race will be much more competitive than it was in 2014.

    There is going to be a gubernatorial election in GA this year. That will be one to watch and will set the stage for GA as a possible 2020 competitive state or as the usual reliably red state.

    Big Joe

  345. DW says:

    And of course Perot came back for round two, ensuring Clinton would win again in 1996, although it was clear his services were not needed–but he ran anyway just to make sure.

    Even so, Bill Clinton NEVER got 50% of the national popular vote.

    Obama is the ONLY Dem candidate since 1976 to get 50% of the popular vote in POTUS elections.

  346. mnw says:

    “Trump Addresses Annual Right-to-Life March”

    OK, I admire the hell out of this man’s GUTS. Remember how W & 41 always phoned in greetings, because chickenzh*t?

    I’m astonished & fascinated to see a POTUS who talks the talk and then walks the walk too.

    Straight down the middle!

  347. jason says:

    My take is Trump will be a stronger candidate in 2020, not weaker.

    In 2020 he will be known quantity, and a lot of the issues he had in 2016 will be moot in 2020.

    Yeah, I know, Obama was a weaker candidate the second time around, but that had more to do that Romney was a better candidate than McCain and Obama could no longer run as a “uniter, not a divider” BS.

    Of course, it depends on a lot of other factors, especially the economy.

    But twitter? Won’t be a factor.

  348. Paul says:

    I remember voting for Tsongas. I hadn’t thought about him for a long time.

  349. Paul says:

    I also remember thinking Clinton was a weasly corrupt version of Jimmy Carter and that he didn’t have a chance.

  350. jason says:

    Nunn (while probably not liked at HHR), was as good a candidate as the Democrats could run in GA in 2014 mostly due to her father’s positive reputation.”

    She was and is a dingbat. And Daddy’s “reputation” only goes so far.

    Of course, last time around she uploaded a list of her own liabilities online, maybe she won’t be as helpful to the opposition in a future run.

  351. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    As the trolls attack Trump’s economic policies, it is important to look at the type of economy they adore — Cuba:

    “In March 2017, traveling through Havana, I pointed out to my Cuban guide one humming construction site amid all the gorgeously decrepit, decaying buildings around us, many in the midst of reconstruction efforts that seemed permanently stalled. My guide laughed, because this building was being built by Indian construction workers, brought in and housed by the Cuban state and a capitalist partner. How, I asked, could it possibly be profitable to fly construction workers halfway around the world to do a job? Were there no Cubans with the requisite skills? My guide assured me that Cuba’s elaborate vocational education system produced many such workers, but they could not be hired for the project. In the modern Cuban economy, paying Cuban construction workers the wages received by the Indians would have been socially disruptive, because they would then be making more than Cuban doctors, lawyers, and professors. Cuban construction workers, once trained, avoid low paying public jobs, and instead work in the black/gray market on projects where they can make more in a single day than a month at official communist rates.”

    Oh I “feel the Bern”.

  352. jason says:

    Nunn also came out with this brilliant answer on whether she would have voted for Obamacare (which all 60 Dems did vote for).

    As stupid an answer as Allyson Grimes refusing to answer if she voted for Obama.

    “But in a rare interview, on-camera with MSNBC, the younger Nunn shows she may have some problems after the primaries in addressing at least one basic political issue for the 2014 cycle. In this clip from Monday’s Morning Joe, reporter Kasie Hunt asks Nunn if she would have voted for Obamacare had she been in the Senate in 2010. Nunn’s answer is more of a non-answer.

    “So, at the time that the Affordable Health Care Act [sic] was passed, I was working for Points of Light,” she says. “I wish that we had had more people who had tried to architect a bipartisan legislation.”

    “So, yes or no?” Hunt tries again.

    “So, I think it’s impossible to look back retrospectively and say, ‘You know, what would you have done when you were there?'” Nunn finally says.”

  353. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Remember when the Democrats would say “its the economy stupid.” Now its “We’re to stupid to run the economy.” So lets spend 100% of our time calling Trump names.

  354. jason says:

    So if Big Joe thinks she is the “as good as Dems in GA could run”, that’s great.

    I hope they don’t take my suggestion of not running far left dingbats.

  355. DW says:

    365 – thanks for the anecdote. It reminds me of an old friend who spent a decade working in Ukraine after the fall of communism. He said that those coming out of communism observed that the system is broken because without any incentive, everyone pretends to work, and the government pretends to pay them.

  356. Paul says:

    San Diego’s Cuban canard is like comparing someone to Hitler.

  357. Cash Cow TM says:

    Perdue in trouble in GA?

    No WAY!

    People LOVE his chicken!

  358. DW says:

    I mentioned that prior to Obama, one had to go back to 1976 to find Democrat who got over 50% of the national popular vote. But Carter only got barely over. You have to go back to 1964 and LBJ to find a Democrat who got over 51%. He got 61%. But before his term was up he was so unpopular he dropped out and didn’t bother to run for re-election.

  359. Cash Cow TM says:

    When the government shuts down tonight,
    will the interstate highways shut down?

    Can I go out and graze safely on the median?

  360. DW says:

    Trump won’t weaponize the shutdown like Obama did.

  361. Waingro says:

    Uh oh!

    The Hill?Verified account @thehill

    #BREAKING: Prosecutors plan to re-try Menendez in corruption case http://hill.cm/nqvWkiT

  362. DW says:

    In 1960, PA had as many electoral votes as CA at 32 each. NY led the country with 45. FL had just 10 and TX just 24.

    Times have changed.

  363. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    I wish her a long life, but this is a dangerous development for Justice Sotomayer. Recently, a good buddy of mine died in his sleep due to a spike down in his glycemic level.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/369776-paramedics-called-to-justice-sonia-sotomayors-house-for-low-blood

  364. DW says:

    377 – wow. I too wish her a long life, although I wouldn’t cry if her doctor told her the rigors of the SCOTUS schedule might be hard on her, and recommends she step down.

  365. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #378
    Do you want to venture a guess as to whom The Donald would nominate?

  366. Paul says:

    “Trump won’t weaponize the shutdown like Obama did.”

    What the hell does that mean?

  367. Paul says:

    Has Trump ever NOT tried to weaponize something?

  368. Chicon says:

    379 – his sister?

  369. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #380
    To edify you, it means that unlike Messiah Obama, Trump would mitigate the consequences from a shutdown. Obama intentionally inflicted pain in order to score political points.

  370. Paul says:

    DW: Trying to mitigate the worse aspects because they know they WILL be blamed for it.

  371. Paul says:

    Sheeple: It is an admission that they will carry the blame.

  372. Waingro says:

    Chad Pergram
    ?Verified account @ChadPergram
    4m4 minutes ago

    Cornyn says cloture vote to end debate on House CR sometime this afternoon or early evening

  373. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #386
    Let’s see how the 10 Democrat Senators up for re-election in Trump States vote. The ads against them ,if they vote against the CR, will write themselves at election time.

    My explanation is the correct one,not yours. In 2013, the GOP was blamed for the government shutdown and romped in the 2014 mid-terms.Only you and the MSM care about the “blame game”.

  374. Paul says:

    Standing up to a president willing to deport our friends and neighbors will work well in many areas. Perhaps less so in Missouri and Indiana.

  375. DW says:

    Trump Job Approval

    CNN

    43/53

    Their prior poll was 36/59.

    Trolls hardest hit by the news.

  376. Waingro says:

    Boom. One more and McConnell can nuke.

    Steve Brusk
    ?Verified account @stevebruskCNN
    5m5 minutes ago

    Indiana Senator Joe Donnelly is the second Democratic Senator to say he will vote yes on the short term spending bill. He said in a floor statement, “Keeping the government running is our job, and I will vote to keep the government running”. from @KilloughCNN

  377. DW says:

    391 – wait…wait…Donnelly didn’t get the memo from Trolls that he will be part of the blue wave this fall and has nothing to worry about.

  378. Paul says:

    I’ll take a loss in 2018 if it hurts Trump in 2020.

  379. Paul says:

    I assume McCaskil also votes for the CR. They’ll need more than that however.

  380. Big Joe says:

    #368 Jason-
    “I hope they don’t take my suggestion of not running far left dingbats.”

    What happens this year in the Gubernatorial primaries and GE will set the path for the 2020 senatorial primary. If the Dems run a far left candidate this year and lose, it will be unlikely that they repeat the error in ’20. But you never know.

    Big Joe

  381. mnw says:

    troll 389

    They’re YOUR fn “friends & neighbors”!

    They’re MY illegal aliens in continuous violation of federal criminal statute 8 USC 1325 & often 1326.

  382. DW says:

    But for all the trolls bellyaching over Rasmussen holding Trump’s Job Approval at around 45, along comes CNN of all people to agree.

  383. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Guy Benson, @guypbenson
    “NPR/PBS poll: Support for tax law leaps by 21 net points since December, from deep underwater to ~tied. Empirical evidence is having an impact…and that’s *before* millions of Americans (including 91% of the middle class) actually see the tax cut many of them don’t expect.”

    This is happening even before voters see the change in their payroll checks.

  384. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    370. Paul says: “San Diego’s Cuban canard is like comparing someone to Hitler.”

    Really Paul, comparing Castro to Hitler? A lot of people agree with you. So why then did Obama warm up to and embrace a regime that you agree compares with Hitler?

  385. DW says:

    398 – showing up in generic ballot and now in Trump J/A.

    Keep on the offensive of educating voters on the tax cut, and keep making good decisions, and keep the economy strong all year, and the mid-term elections will a light blue ripple at worst. No blue-wave.

  386. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    390. “Trump Job Approval: CNN
    43/53 Their prior poll was 36/59. Trolls hardest hit by the news.”

    Am afraid this will drive Robbie to seek permanent exile in Bogo Pogo.

  387. Paul says:

    mnw is grumpy butt.

  388. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    390. This is a lot like Reagan’s polling, he initially went through a period of unpopularity and low polling, than people began to see his policies were working.

    It is does not help the Democrats when they come off as shrill loons. If there is a benefit to Trump’s bizarre twitter attacks, it is they caused his opponents to go off the wall so much that they look crazy.

  389. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    397. “But for all the trolls bellyaching over Rasmussen holding Trump’s Job Approval at around 45, along comes CNN of all people to agree.”

    It has got to be the Russians. There everywhere.

  390. Phil says:

    Shut it down. Americans are desperate to approve daca. It is a huge priority! (Roll eyes)

  391. DW says:

    404 – that’s it…just saw a story that unmarked black helicopters just took off from the CNN polling center.

  392. SoHope says:

    Too bad Trump isn’t Reagan. His Horrible character flaws and idiotic tweeting makes him his Own Worst Enemy.

  393. SoHope says:

    that being said his policies are an incredible success

  394. Wes says:

    Are Robbie and Corey still furious at Trump for beating JEB! for the GOP presidential nomination?

  395. DW says:

    Wes – what’s the current situation in NC and the district map case?

  396. Marv says:

    DW,

    Looks like Generic Cong Ballot and Trump JA polls are trending out way.

  397. Wes says:

    Basically the Supremes blocked the lower court ruling till the High Court rules, DW.

  398. Marv says:

    *our way

  399. Marv says:

    Wes,

    Any thoughts on GOP House retention this Nov? Senate?

  400. Wes says:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/13/roy-moore-richard-shelby-alabama-339185

    He just won’t go away.

    Memo to Roy:

    As Bruce Braley learned, attacking a state’s most popular politician is a quick path to political oblivion–as if Roy Moore can descend any further into political irrelevance after last month.

  401. DW says:

    412 – do you think it all can be stalled enough to thwart a re-draw before this fall’s election? I don’t want to see happen in NC what happened in VA.

  402. Wes says:

    I still say they hold, Marv.

    Steve Bannon is politically neutered thanks to Roy Moore, and as Americans begin to perceive the country on an even keel, the previous Dem ballot advantages have subsided sharply.

  403. Wes says:

    I think the Supreme Court will issue a ruling that will negate all these partisan rulings handed down by Obama-appointed judges, DW.

  404. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    393. Paul says: “I’ll take a loss in 2018 if it hurts Trump in 2020.”

    Corporal Paul, stop that talk and get back in line. No running away. Its time for the gloom and doom suicide charge — General Troll

  405. mnw says:

    The RCP Trump JA average is above 40 now, for the first time since Moses was found in the bulrushes.

  406. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    MichelleMalkin: “@TheDemocrats are going to shut the government down because of 800,000 illegal aliens. Have they ever proposed to shutting the government down to protest on behalf of American workers?”

  407. Wes says:

    Well, Mnw, you know Robbie will find some obscure editorialist from a newspaper no one ever heard of in a town of 400 in southwestern Utah hawking a poll showing Trump at 27/71 approval/disapproval.

  408. DW says:

    Updated house dashboard…

    Paladin – 2018 House Dashboard
    ———————————————————–
    C Dist | Cnt | Sabato | Cook | Gonz.| Avg | 2016 | PVI
    ———————————————————–
    GA_07 | 173 | Sf R | Lk R | Sf R | 8 | 60/40 | R+9
    MI_06 | 174 | Sf R | Sf R | Lk R | 8 | 59/36 | R+4
    MI_07 | 175 | Sf R | Lk R | Sf R | 8 | 55/40 | R+7
    NY_23 | 176 | Lk R | Sf R | Sf R | 8 | 58/42 | R+6
    OH_15 | 177 | Sf R | Lk R | Sf R | 8 | 66/34 | R+7
    OH_16* | 178 | Sf R | Lk R | Sf R | 8 | 65/35 | R+8
    TX_21 | 179 | Lk R | Sf R | Sf R | 8 | 57/37 | R+10
    WV_03* | 180 | Lk R | Sf R | Sf R | 8 | 68/24 | R+23
    OH_12 | 181 | Lk R | Sf R | Lk R | 7 | 67/30 | R+7
    CA_50 | 182 | Sf R | Lk R | Lk R | 7 | 64/37 | R+11
    FL_18 | 183 | Lk R | Lk R | Sf R | 7 | 54/43 | R+5
    IL_14 | 184 | Lk R | Lk R | Sf R | 7 | 59/41 | R+5
    NC_02 | 185 | Lk R | Lk R | Sf R | 7 | 57/43 | R+7
    NC_13 | 186 | Lk R | Lk R | Sf R | 7 | 56/44 | R+6
    NJ_03 | 187 | Lk R | Lk R | Sf R | 7 | 59/40 | R+2
    NY_01 | 188 | Lk R | Lk R | Sf R | 7 | 59/41 | R+5
    OH_01 | 189 | Lk R | Lk R | Sf R | 7 | 59/41 | R+5
    WI_06 | 190 | Lk R | Lk R | Sf R | 7 | 57/37 | R+8
    CA_21 | 191 | Lk R | Lk R | Lk R | 6 | 57/43 | D+5
    IL_13 | 192 | Lk R | Lk R | Lk R | 6 | 60/40 | R+3
    NC_09 | 193 | Lk R | Lk R | Lk R | 6 | 58/42 | R+8
    NM_02* | 194 | Lk R | Lk R | Lk R | 6 | 63/37 | R+6
    NY_11 | 195 | Lk R | Lk R | Lk R | 6 | 62/37 | R+3
    NY_24 | 196 | Lk R | Lk R | Lk R | 6 | 61/39 | D+3
    VA_05 | 197 | Lk R | Lk R | Lk R | 6 | 58/42 | R+6
    VA_07 | 198 | Lk R | Lk R | Lk R | 6 | 58/42 | R+6
    MT_01 | 199 | Ln R | Lk R | Lk R | 5 | 56/41 | R+11
    PA_16 | 200 | Lk R | Lk R | Ln R | 5 | 54/43 | R+5
    CA_45 | 201 | Ln R | Ln R | Lk R | 4 | 59/41 | R+3
    GA_06 | 202 | Ln R | Ln R | Lk R | 4 | 62/38 | R+8
    IA_03 | 203 | Ln R | Ln R | Lk R | 4 | 54/40 | R+1
    ME_02 | 204 | Ln R | Ln R | Lk R | 4 | 55/45 | R+2
    MI_08 | 205 | Lk R | Ln R | Ln R | 4 | 56/39 | R+4
    NJ_07 | 206 | Ln R | Ln R | Lk R | 4 | 54/43 | R+3
    PA_07 | 207 | Ln R | Ln R | Lk R | 4 | 60/40 | R+1
    PA_18* | 208 | Ln R | Ln R | Lk R | 4 | 100/0 | R+11
    TX_32 | 209 | Lk R | Ln R | Lk R | 5 | 71/19 | R+5
    VA_02 | 210 | Ln R | Lk R | Lk R | 5 | 61/39 | R+3
    IL_06 | 211 | Ln R | Toss | Lk R | 3 | 59/41 | R+2
    IL_12 | 212 | Ln R | Ln R | Ln R | 3 | 54/40 | R+5
    KS_02* | 213 | Ln R | Ln R | Ln R | 3 | 61/33 | R+10
    KS_03 | 214 | Ln R | Ln R | Ln R | 3 | 51/41 | R+4
    KY_06 | 215 | Ln R | Ln R | Ln R | 3 | 61/39 | R+9
    MN_03 | 216 | Ln R | Ln R | Ln R | 3 | 57/43 | D+1
    NJ_11 | 217 | Ln R | Toss | Lk R | 3 | 58/39 | R+3
    —-Democrats need ALL the below for control—-
    PA_06 | 218 | Ln R | Ln R | Ln R | 3 | 57/43 | R+2
    PA_08 | 217 | Ln R | Ln R | Ln R | 3 | 54/46 | R+2
    PA_15* | 216 | Ln R | Ln R | Ln R | 3 | 58/38 | R+4
    UT_04 | 215 | Ln R | Ln R | Ln R | 3 | 54/41 | R+13
    CA_10 | 214 | Toss | Ln R | Ln R | 2 | 52/48 | Even
    IA_01 | 213 | Ln R | Toss | Ln R | 2 | 54/46 | D+1
    NY_22 | 212 | Toss | Ln R | Tlt R | 1.5 | 47/41 | R+6
    TX_07 | 211 | Ln R | Toss | Tlt R | 1.5 | 56/44 | R+7
    CA_25 | 210 | Toss | Toss | Ln R | 1 | 53/47 | Even
    MI_11* | 209 | Toss | Toss | Ln R | 1 | 53/40 | R+4
    TX_23 | 208 | Toss | Ln R | Toss | 1 | 48/47 | R+1
    CA_48 | 207 | Toss | Toss | Tlt R | 0.5 | 58/52 | R+4
    CO-06 | 206 | Toss | Toss | Tlt R | 0.5 | 51/43 | D+2
    FL_26 | 205 | Toss | Toss | Tlt R | 0.5 | 53/41 | D+6
    NE_02 | 204 | Toss | Toss | Tlt R | 0.5 | 49/48 | R+4
    NY_19 | 203 | Toss | Toss | Tlt R | 0.5 | 54/46 | R+2
    NJ_02* | 202 | Ln D | Toss | Ln R | 0 | 59/37 | R+1
    MN_01* | 201 | Toss | Toss | Toss | 0 | 50/50 | R+5
    MN_02 | 200 | Toss | Toss | Toss | 0 | 47/45 | R+2
    NH_01* | 199 | Toss | Toss | Toss | 0 | 43/44 | R+2
    VA_10 | 198 | Toss | Toss | Toss | 0 | 53/47 | D+1
    WA_08* | 197 | Toss | Toss | Tlt D | 0.5 | 60/40 | Even
    CA_39* | 196 | Toss | Ln D | Toss | 1 | 57/43 | Even
    MN_08 | 195 | Toss | Toss | Ln D | 1 | 50/50 | R+4
    NV_03* | 194 | Ln D | Toss | Tlt D | 1.5 | 46/47 | R+2
    AZ_02* | 193 | Ln D | Ln D | Toss | 2 | 57/43 | R+1
    CA_49* | 192 | Ln D | Ln D | Toss | 2 | 50/50 | R+1
    AZ_01 | 191 | Ln D | Ln D | Tlt D | 2.5 | 43/51 | R+2
    FL_07 | 190 | Ln D | Ln D | Tlt D | 2.5 | 49/52 | Even
    FL_27* | 189 | Ln D | Ln D | Ln D | 3 | 55/45 | D+5
    NJ_05 | 188 | Lk D | Ln D | Toss | 3 | 47/51 | R+3
    CA_07 | 187 | Ln D | Ln D | Lk D | 4 | 49/51 | D+3
    NV_04 | 186 | Ln D | Ln D | Lk D | 4 | 46/49 | D+3
    MN_07 | 185 | Lk D | Lk D | Ln D | 5 | 47/53 | R+12
    FL_13 | 184 | Lk D | Lk D | Lk D | 6 | 48/52 | D+2
    PA_17 | 183 | Lk D | Lk D | Lk D | 6 | 46/54 | R+1
    WI_03 | 182 | Lk D | Lk D | Lk D | 6 | 0/99 | Even
    AZ_09 | 181 | Lk D | Lk D | Sf D | 7 | 39/61 | D+4
    CA_24 | 180 | Lk D | Lk D | Sf D | 7 | 47/53 | D+7
    IA_02 | 179 | Lk D | Lk D | Sf D | 7 | 46/54 | D+1
    NH_02 | 178 | Lk D | Lk D | Sf D | 7 | 45/50 | D+2
    NY_03 | 177 | Lk D | Lk D | Sf D | 7 | 47/53 | D+1
    NY_18 | 176 | Lk D | Lk D | Sf D | 7 | 44/56 | R+1
    OR_05 | 175 | Sf D | Lk D | Sf D | 8 | 43/51 | Even
    IL_17 | 174 | Sf D | Sf D | Sf D | 9 | 40/60 | D+3

    *indicates open seat

  409. Marv says:

    #417 Wes,

    I agree with your assessment. As I recall, a few years ago you mentioned a Generic Ballot poll spread of a few points in favor of the Dems which would not be enough to swing the House to them.

    With the current GOP lead in the House, approximately how much would the Dems have to lead in a national Generic Ballot test in order to gain control?

  410. Marv says:

    Current US House:

    238 GOP
    193 Dem
    4 Vacancies (3 GOP and 1 Dem)

  411. mnw says:

    Wes 422

    But of course.

    Here, I’ll use my “Phil Robertson Troll Commander” call to summon him now:

    LOL !!!!!!!!!!

    SAD !!!

    LOOSAHS !!!

    It’s OVAH !!!

    Yall (sic) h/t to the KING of all illiterate trolls, accountingfield.

  412. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Does anyone have a link to or the names of the 11 Republican Congressmen who voted NAY last night on the Continuing Resolution? Thanks.

  413. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    422. “Well, Mnw, you know Robbie will find some obscure editorialist from a newspaper no one ever heard of in a town of 400 in southwestern Utah hawking a poll showing Trump at 27/71 approval/disapproval.”

    That would be unique, here is the percentage of the vote that Hillary got in the seven southwestern Utah counties in 2016 — which includes populous Utah County, in all about 1/3 of Utah’s vote

    Sevier County 8%
    Beaver County 11%
    Iron County, 14%
    Millard County 8%
    Washington County 17%
    Utah County 14%
    Juab County 11%

  414. mnw says:

    Be nice if POTUS would act normal & just let things move in the direction they’re going— instead of the usual cross between a subway rush hour and a circus fire.

  415. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    428. An interesting demographic note on southwestern Utah; has possibly the youngest average age in the nation, and has 89,000 students in three universities and a college. Millennials in southwestern Utah never learned that they were supposed to be liberal democrats.

  416. Paul says:

    I think it is still highly likely the Dems give in and vote for this thing before midnight.

  417. Paul says:

    I’m gonna lose my soros check again by saying this….

    I think people would usually blame the ones who voted against a CR. It has been the GOP that did it in the past. It is the Dems doing it this time.

  418. lisab says:

    MichelleMalkin: “@TheDemocrats are going to shut the government down because of 800,000 illegal aliens. Have they ever proposed to shutting the government down to protest on behalf of American workers?”
    ————————————-

    any place this will help the dems already votes dem

    it wont help in anyplace that is purple

    and will hurt dems in heavily black communities like in detroit

  419. lisab says:

    sked who voters would choose if the 2018 election were held today, 46 percent of respondents chose Democrats, while 40 percent picked Republicans. Nine percent said they were undecided.

    The numbers among independents was even more interesting, with Republicans leading Democrats 38 to 36 percent. A large portion of independents have not chosen a side, however, with 15 percent responding that they are undecided.

  420. Tina says:

    Al cnn has polling showing drats more to blame on the gubment shutdown.

  421. Tina says:

    Hi marv. Have you found harry reids papers?

  422. Paul says:

    Sounds like there is a vote at 10 tonight. I’m envisioning Dem caving and no shut down.

  423. lisab says:

    a large number of the people who win not get paid are dems

  424. Tina says:

    If you want the fisa memo released, you are a russian bit.

    Nbc.

  425. Paul says:

    DW and SHEEPLE:
    Obama made it so that the military would continue to receive paychecks during the shutdown in 2013. I don’t know if Trump will do the same. And they are blaming Obama for weaponizing.

  426. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m back. Any new fights or just the same posts from the last year?

  427. Diamond Jim says:

    I’m back.

    You were gone?

  428. Big Joe says:

    I’m back.

    Shutdown yet?

    Big Joe

  429. JC says:

    It doesn’t matter if the Dems force a shutdown or not. The issue is a lose/lose scenario for them.

    I wager they will fold. I’m sure they fully expected that their typical intimidation game with the help of the party controlled media would once again succeed in making the feckless GOP fold. But that’s not happening with Trump at the helm.

  430. Bitterlaw says:

    DJ – Since I started my new job, I really only get to post early in the morning or at night.

  431. Paul says:

    I’m feeling gloomy about the prospects of the Dems coming out ahead through this shutdown. I need a post from Robbie to cheer me up.

  432. Bitterlaw says:

    Give it up, Bunu. “Paul” is boring.

  433. Tgca says:

    BL

    Why can’t you post at lunchtime? No WiFi at the McDs?

  434. Tina says:

    The russians are causing the sheotdown,

  435. Paul says:

    I’m working hard at pretending to be a Paul, the lib. It gets tough some times.
    –Buno

  436. Chicon says:

    Bitter – yes.

  437. mnw says:

    NPR regular morning reporter today referred to the annual Right to Life March as the “so-called Right to Life March.”

    Our tax dollars at work!

    So many to hate, so little time. I think NPR keeps its tax subsidy because there’s always a more important battle for conservatives to fight. Pity.

  438. JulStol says:

    Bitterlaw,

    I just started a new job myself. The job I had (and loved) was unfortunately a seasonal contract which corporate would not allow my boss to extend (for anyone, not just me). She has me on the list to call when one of the core people quit. She and I were the only 2 Trump voters in the place.

    Anyway, new job is in Berwyn. I absolutely hate it but it pays better than anything I’ve done since 2012 so, up side…

  439. mnw says:

    Paul/bunu

    Let me help you realize who you are, OK? By whatever name you use, you remain a confused little troll existing on Obamacare, and you are so badly educated that you can’t distinguish “their” from “they’re,” as you proved conclusively only last night.

    Plus you can’t spell the word for jerking off, either, again as you proved only last night. “Masterbate” or “masturbate”? One of the great mysteries of all time for our troll!

  440. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie is sad. A new Wall Street Journal /NBC Poll has the Congressional Generic Ballot(“CGB”) at D+6(see Question 7). The PID is D+7. The poll is Adults, not Registered Voters.Their last CGB was D+11.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/369546604/18033-NBCWSJ-January-Poll-1-19-18-Release

  441. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Just signed 702 Bill to reauthorize foreign intelligence collection. This is NOT the same FISA law that was so wrongly abused during the election. I will always do the right thing for our country and put the safety of the American people first!
    12:53 PM · Jan 19, 2018

    What does this mean? Do tell.

  442. mnw says:

    Sheep

    Yep. Everything is moving our way, if our beloved leader can just avoid getting into a spat with Miss Venezuela about her weight problem, or whether Haiti is or is not a sh*thole, etc.

  443. lisab says:

    WIKILEAKS Offers Reward Up to $1 Million for Access to FISA Abuse Memo #ReleaseTheMemo A million to get it into the hands of America #ReleaseTheMemo

  444. mnw says:

    Tina

    I give up. What DOES it mean? I look to you as always for help with these matters.

  445. Bitterlaw says:

    Jul – You should meet MD for lunch.

  446. Tina says:

    Comedy to teach ethics at william and mary.

    Ethics.

    Lol

  447. Tina says:

    Trump knows that old fisa act was wrongly abused by his predecessor,

    However, we must build this one layer or level at a time,

    Peole need to understand what happened and digest it, before certain people are blamed,

  448. Tina says:

    In another note, no ds, outside of the untelligence committee have bothered ro read the 4 page memo.

  449. Tina says:

    Remember, obama tapped his wires, his tweet from 3/17,

    This set off trollly.

  450. Bitterlaw says:

    I almost never get sick. Of course, I now have a bad cough and stomach issues. My boss said I could work from home. I’m not falling for that trick.

  451. Tina says:

    It is nasty stuff, bl. Get well.

  452. Cash Cow TM says:

    Bitter,

    Take some medicine for what ails you.
    Get better, Bitter.
    And–as much as this pains me–lay off the milk for a while.
    Drink hot tea–with honey.
    And maybe a shot of whiskey.

  453. Paul says:

    So, which Republican Senators are “no” votes. The news said they were still 9 short even with the 4 or 5 dem crossovers.

  454. mnw says:

    They sure do luv them sum illegal aliens*! I’m sure the DEMs are willing to die on the ‘amnesty or bust!’ hill because of pure altruistic LUV for the downtrodden, right? Political opportunism? You rayciss bastid! How could u even SUGGEST such a thing?

    We’ll see if the average American loves them as much as bunu/ Paul.

    * bunu describes illegals as his “friends and neighbors”

  455. Tina says:

    How did we go from 600k daca yute to over 3 million daca yute?

  456. mnw says:

    Because they lied!

  457. phoenixrisen says:

    Shutdown is happening. Graham, Paul and Lee vote no from GOP side. Stupid, gives red State Dems cover

  458. Paul says:

    I’ve started to like Graham a lot more lately.

  459. Paul says:

    I wonder if Trump’s Diet Coke sommelier will be considered non-essential employee. That could hit Trump hard.

  460. lisab says:

    Bitter,

    Take some medicine for what ails you.
    ————————————————–

    a man your age should have gotten a flu shot weeks ago

  461. lisab says:

    sotomayor has diabetes

    paramedics were called to her home

  462. MichiganGuy says:

    2020 National Democratic Primary:
    Biden 28%
    Sanders 22%
    Clinton 19%
    Warren 11%
    Harris 5%
    Kennedy 4%
    Booker 3%
    Gillibrand 2%
    Klobucher 1%
    Ryan 1%
    Other 4%

    USCDornsife/latimes poll 12/15-1/15

    https://t.co/1wV6V1gNjO

  463. Tina says:

    I like goober too.

  464. Tina says:

    Clinton is third. I like clinton, did you know according t9 newsweek if they find collkusion she can still become President?

    Jebot

  465. Paul says:

    Donnelly, McCaskill, Mnuchen, Heitcamp and Jones are the Democrats that voted for the CR.

  466. Paul says:

    Graham, Lee, Paul and Flake are the GOP that voted against.

  467. MichiganGuy says:

    2020 National Democratic Primary:

    Joe Biden 27%
    Bernie Sanders 16%
    Hillary Clinton 13%
    Oprah Winfrey 13%
    Elizabeth Warren 10%
    Cory Booker 4%
    Kamala Harris 4%
    Andrew Cuomo 2%
    Kirsten Gillibrand 1%
    Someone else 10%

    Harvard/HarrisPoll 1/13-16
    https://t.co/OUQWUUMo8e
    ————————————————————————————
    Oprah only at 13%? What is wrong with these dems? Don’t they know how great Oprah is?

  468. MichiganGuy says:

    Illegal Aliens Quietly Being Relocated Throughout U.S. on Commercial Flights

    https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2018/01/illegal-aliens-quietly-relocated-throughout-u-s-commercial-flights/amp/

  469. Wes says:

    Wait, wait, wait. Mike Lee was the guy the TEA PARTY channeled Mussolini-style tactics to get into the Senate by obviating the will of the voters in Utah in 2010. He’s now stabbed the GOP in the back while the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil “Establishment” Republicans voted for the CR.

    This is just too rich.

    Mikey, I demand an explanation from you for your hero!

  470. janz says:

    #470 Tina, DACA involves those who have signed up for the deferred action program. Their official numbers are around 680,000. However, there are a greater group, “dreamers,” who illegally arrived in this country under the age of 18. Their numbers are estimated to be 3.6 million. The Dems appear to be conflating the two, making the Dems real demands involve a far greater number who they are legislatively advocating for.

  471. Wes says:

    JC says:
    January 19, 2018 at 7:49 pm
    It doesn’t matter if the Dems force a shutdown or not. The issue is a lose/lose scenario for them.

    I wager they will fold. I’m sure they fully expected that their typical intimidation game with the help of the party controlled media would once again succeed in making the feckless GOP fold. But that’s not happening with Trump at the helm.

    You told us Roy Moore would win easily in Alabama. Forgive me–or not as you prefer–for not thinking you have any idea what the hell you’re talking about.

  472. janz says:

    Dems are simply disingenuous about their talking points – especially Schumer!

  473. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The cost overrun of California’s bullet train has now reached 23 billion dollars.

    “This week’s updated cost estimate — to complete just the first phase – a 119-mile segment in the Central Valley – has ballooned to $10.6 billion. That’s a jaw-dropping 77 percent increase from initial estimates, 36 percent higher than forecasts from a year ago.

    When California voters in 2008 narrowly approved $10 billion in bond as seed money for the high-speed rail development, they were told the total cost would be about $43 billion.

    Fresh estimates put it now at $67 billion.

    Brian Kelly, head of the State Transportation Agency, was appointed this week to run the High-Speed Rail Authority. He told The New York Times that even though the project has “mammoth opposition,” he has “never seen a single project that would have such a transformative impact as this one.”

    Other supporters reason that the project should continue because billions of dollars have already been spent.

    Critics, however, say the state should cut its losses and call it a day.”

  474. JC says:

    @wes

    There’s no made up allegations the Dems can run in the media to help themselves in this one.

    They’ll fold eventually. Keeping the government shut down over DACA is suicide.

    And if they don’t?

    I’m perfectly okay with that. If I’m Trump I would use this as the perfect opportunity to kill the filibuster and fire a lot of bureaucratic imbeciles.

  475. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    485. “Mike Lee was the guy the TEA PARTY channeled Mussolini-style tactics to get into the Senate by obviating the will of the voters in Utah in 2010.”

    Lee’s election resulted in Utah’s election laws being changed so a candidate can force a primary by collecting enough signatures, even without the Utah Republican convention endorsement.

    John Curtis did not get the endorsement of the Utah Republican convention, but he got enough signatures to force and win a primary.

    Even though Romney is all but certain to get the endorsement of the Republican convention, he will still get the signatures.

  476. Paul says:

    Looks like Flake and Graham are in the midst of a last minute deal on the floor. Either that or all the Senators are trying to decide which bar to go to once they can leave.

  477. janz says:

    The Schumer Shutdown is now in effect. Ridiculous!

  478. janz says:

    Flake and Graham are well suited to be in a legislative marriage. I have little respect for either of them.

  479. Paul says:

    They all appear to be very busy at something. I guess McConnell hasn’t voted yet and is still holding the vote open.

  480. janz says:

    The vote is indeed open, with all the chickens clucking around in a show of self importance.

  481. Chicon says:

    All non-essential government functions on pause? Oh, the horrors….

  482. Tina says:

    Wh calls drats and jebots losahs.

  483. Tina says:

    We will now win all 999 comgressional seats for the ds.

    Jebot

  484. janz says:

    These are the yo-yos who are given the mantle of governance?. Sad….

  485. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    10s
    Procedural vote to end debate on House approved CR fails. Does not get 60 votes. It needed 60 yeas. The vote was 50 yeas to 49 nays. But it needed 60.
    Vote open for 2 hours and 3 minutes.

  486. janz says:

    McConnell is angry. So am I.

  487. Tina says:

    I like how mitchie and ryan habe handled this,

    Remeber, the polling by cnn.showed this hurting the drats.

  488. janz says:

    IMO, it was not an honorable moment for the Dems.

  489. Tina says:

    View image on Twitter
    View image on Twitter

    Reuters U.S. News
    ?
    @ReutersUS
    JUST IN: White House says it will not negotiate the status of DACA immigrants ‘while Democrats hold our lawful citizens hostage over their reckless demands’
    9:04 PM – Jan 19, 2018

  490. janz says:

    Tina, it seemed like a senseless display of opposition by the Dems.

  491. Tina says:

    NBC Politics
    ?
    @NBCPolitics
    JUST IN: Democrats have enough votes to block the spending bill in the Senate and prevent Republicans from keeping the government up and running, senior Democratic aide tells @NBCNews
    12:50 PM – Jan 18, 2018

    Drat vs drat.

  492. Tina says:

    Janz. Trumps numbers have gone up due to the economy, the tax cuts, and his atrong border enforcement.

    Daca is terrible. It became a push for amnesry of 3.6 million.

  493. janz says:

    Now Schumer is throwing mud on the prez. What a slime ball he is!

  494. janz says:

    What a liar Schumer is!

  495. Tina says:

    I hoped trump washed the wh room. Schumah is dirty pig.

  496. Chicon says:

    Dems choosing the DACA peeps over funding for the troops. They, and prolly Robbie too, think this is a winning position.

  497. Mr.Vito says:

    “JUST IN: Democrats have enough votes to block the spending bill in the Senate and prevent Republicans from keeping the government up and running”

    whoops… someone forgot to run that edit by Schumer

  498. janz says:

    Nope, Chuck,it’s your shutdown – the Schumer Shutdown!

  499. janz says:

    Listening to Schumer’s twisted words is sickening.

  500. Chicon says:

    Vito, it seems that the Dems might be in a tough spot on this one. What do you think?

  501. Tina says:

    Why did trump call them obstuvtionist losers.

    This is not productive. Can they take away his twitter?

    Jebot.

  502. Tina says:

    I alao like mitchies soeech. It is almost like he has had a surge in t level.

  503. janz says:

    This is one of the few times I’ve respected McConnell’s forceful bluntness.

  504. Tina says:

    Trump broke the dacarats.

  505. Tina says:

    Even ryan strong

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    7m
    Ryan: Senate Democrats have let down our troops, our children, and all Americans. They will do anything to appease their base, even shut down the federal government. There is nothing in this bill to keep the government open that Democrats actually oppose

  506. Chicon says:

    California Diann looks tired. Does she need a cognitive exam?

  507. janz says:

    Ironically NYTs also citing the Dems as the party shutting down the govt.

  508. Tina says:

    Frankenstein does not know what day of the week it is..

    The shutdown will kill people, i will vote for it.

  509. janz says:

    Dems are going to be the bad guys in their games playing. Just a bunch of weasels.

  510. Redmen4ever says:

    Am I correct, the vote was 50 to 49, and lost because the bill needs 60 votes?

    Since when does a funding bill need 60 votes?

  511. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason Kander
    ?
    @JasonKander
    The President said he was going to run America like his businesses. Apparently we have reached the part where he would usually just declare bankruptcy and run away. #TrumpShutdown

  512. janz says:

    Senate rules.

  513. Proud Obamacon says:

    Pop Quiz.. who said this?

    Who is responsible? Who is blamed when there is a shutdown?

    “Well if you say who gets fired, it always has to be the top. I mean problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top, and the President’s the leader and he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead… In 25 years, in 50 years and 100 years from now, when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the President of the United States.”

    Answer: Donald Trump, 2013.

    NOT.MY.PREZ
    #TRUMPSHUTDOWN

  514. Proud Obamacon says:

    McTurtle was being really sanctimonious. It’s funny to hear him whining about obstruction and irresponsibility when he was the guy who prevented a totally qualified SCOTUS nominee from even getting a hearing for a year. He caused the shutdown of 2013. He said it was his job to make Pres. Obama a one term president. Obstructionist? Na. not him!

    #TRUMPSHUTDOWN

  515. Mr.Vito says:

    Chuck Schumer in 2013: Shutting Down Govt Over Immigration Is “Politics Of Idiocy”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQdduxE7U9A

  516. Proud Obamacon says:

    Nice try. This shutdown is because the Groper doesn’t want to have anything to do with DACA to please his “very nice people” base. After saying he wants a “Bill of Love” and that he’ll “sign anything”, he apparently talked to Steven Miller and friends who told him what his real position should be.

    No leadership. No surpirse. Even McTurtle and Eddie Munster say that have no idea what he wants so they can’t write a bill.

    #TRUMPSHUTDOWN

  517. Mr.Vito says:

    AP Washington Bureau Chief: “In forcing a showdown over immigration — and triggering a government shutdown — Democrats have embraced a confrontational, rule-breaking strategy they once blasted as irresponsible when practiced by the other party.”

  518. Proud Obamacon says:

    Good thing that infamous meeting is on video and the Groper is on record saying he wants the “Bill of love” and that he’ll “sign anything” and “take the heat”

    Everything he asked for was done, and he went back on his word. #TRUMPSHUTDOWN

  519. Mr.Vito says:

    The press has spent 5 years or more calling the 5 Democrats that voted with the republicans “moderates”.

    They have spent at least that long calling Paul and Lee obstructionists, and Flake and Graham all in Trump obstructionists.

    So, in truth, there are no good optics here for Democrats. But, that will not stop the usual suspects from trying to manufacture them.

  520. Walt says:

    I am watching some western movie on Grit TV that appears to be the prequel to Lonesome Dove”?

    About Capt. McCray and Woodrow and the other Texas Rangers fighting Injuns and such. Being treed by a big Texan longhorn bull…the star crossed stories with the women they love…the civil war is now over and the Union Army has come into their part of Texas to deal with the Injun problems (Comanch)

    IT IS GREAT!

    Just like that TV series “Lonesome Dove”.
    If this is one of the episodes in the series I saw way back when, I really do not remember it…
    ***********************************************
    I guess I missed all the hoopla and drama about the gubment shutdown, but I
    –don’t give a flying fig…
    –don’t give ratz behind…
    –don’t give a good sheot…

  521. Walt says:

    Should be in bed.

    Driving up to Morgantown tomorrow morning to see the WVU Mountaineer bassetball game…

  522. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Mitt Romney spoke at a massive Utah tech conference (14,000 in attendance) in Salt Lake City. If anyone thought Romney is not on board with the Trump tax cut and economic agenda, they are badly mistaken.

    “Romney said he’s optimistic about America’s future, lauding the GOP tax plan and business deregulation, which he said would help start and grow American enterprises.

    “I think our economy is going to continue to do well,” he said. “At some point there will be some event that causes a spiral and a recession. I don’t know when it will happen. It’s conceivable it won’t happen for years and years.”

    Romney said one of his and the Republican Party’s “great failings” is they don’t make the connection as to why they care so much about business development. He said it’s not so rich people can make more money.

    “The wealthy people are doing fine. What we care about is how do you get wages up for the average American,” he said, adding higher pay comes from growing companies to create competition for workers.”

    “American is the innovator of the world, and “as long as government gets out of the way and Uncle Sam doesn’t come in and mess things up, America can win. And America winning is the key to liberty on this planet.”

    Doubt that Senator Romney and Senator Sanders are going to agree on many things.

  523. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    I just awakened to the news that the federal government has shut down. Oddly, everything in my life seems to be status quo ante. Where is Armageddon?!

  524. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Surprisingly, these vulnerable Democrat Senators voted to close the government: Brown(OH), Nelson(FL),Stabenow(MI), Kaine(VA), Menendez(NJ), Casey(PA) and Tester(MT).

  525. ssq says:

    I would be here if not for the government shutdown.

  526. jason says:

    @JasonKander
    The President said he was going to run America like his businesses. Apparently we have reached the part where he would usually just declare bankruptcy and run away.”

    Zzzzzzzz….

    Is this Senator Kander?

    The people of Missouri saw through the rifle assembly ad and weren’t fooled, and they won’t be fooled by this garbage either.

  527. jason says:

    Trump Job Approval

    CNN

    43/53″

    Dang, according to Wobbie we are only 2 points away in Trump’s job approval to save the House.

  528. Wobbles says:

    CNN

    43/53″

    You forgot the MOE, Trump Chumps.

    I put it at 39-57.

    So mid 30’s won’t save the House.

  529. jason says:

    It’s not all rosy for Trump in the CNN poll.

    62% say they oppose his plan to build a wall along the entire border with Mexico, and just 36% agree with the White House’s contention that reducing legal immigration from troubled countries makes the United States safer.”

    Put me in the 62% and the 36%.

  530. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Tina
    Another California Banana Republic/ Socialism Report:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/20/california-dems-propose-surcharge-on-businesses-to-fund-social-programs.html

    G-d forbid, the State should try lowering income taxes.

  531. Wobbles says:

    Romney is a horrible person.

    Did I tell you about the dog on the car, the 2 caddies, the horse, the elevator and the poor old lady that got screwed by Bain Capital?

  532. Tina says:

    Conversation
    Bill Mitchell
    Bill Mitchell
    @mitchellvii
    I honestly didnt think the Democrats would be stupid enough to shut down the government to protect non citizens but they actually did it.
    4:37 AM · Jan 20, 2018 from Myrtle Beach, SC

  533. Tina says:

    Well the wall across the entire border is not even trumps proposal.

    It was never his proposal.

  534. Wobbles says:

    I was VERY upset Romney had an elevator in his house.

    I am VERY upset Trump tweeted about fake news Mika.

    I wanted to overturn the results of the primary elections with a brokered convention.

    Now I want to overturn the results of the election with some kind of coup against Trump.

    Are you beginning to get the picture?

  535. Tina says:

    Shutting down the gubment over daca is dumb. The prsident was receptive to daca, or at least a portion of it.

    But the drats turned 600000 daca 8nto a 3.6 million amnesty sheotshow, which could come to 36 million since they Woukd not end chain migration.

  536. jason says:

    Well the wall across the entire border is not even trumps proposal.”

    That’s fine. I favor a combination of physical and virtual barriers, large expanses of land can be monitored with sensors, drones and other types of surveillance.

    But Trump needs to make it clear he can live with that.

  537. Tina says:

    Wobbles, did tou know that newsweek says that if they find collusion, hillary can become President? I am so excited. I threw my toy plane in the air, but it broke when it hit the ground,

    Jebot.

  538. Tina says:

    I think it is 2000 mikes of wall in total.

    The rest, we have natural barriers.

    I am for a co orehensive approach, but heavy on border security and atteition of illegals, especially those with criminal offenses or on welfare.

  539. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    56m
    Perhaps the most evil thing @chuckschumer and @TheDemocrats did here was cutting off CHIP for 9 million needy American kids on behalf of 800,000 illegal alien adult #DACA ‘Dreamers.’

    The daca yute.

  540. jason says:

    Yeah, although I favor a DACA deal for the 800k or so dreamers, shutting down the government over it is not that popular even among Dems.

    And you are right that Trump wants to make a deal, but he is going to take a hit among the immigration deadenders so he has to walk away with something.

    And the Dems want to give him nothing, because they have boxed themselves in with their own immigration deadenders.

  541. Wes says:

    Don’t forget Mike Lee voted to shut down the government too, Tina. I’m rather sure Utahns didn’t want Lee to be a Schumer lap dog. One more idiotic move by the Tea Party.

  542. Wes says:

    Where’s Mikey to defend Mike Lee?

  543. Tina says:

    Wes, i cited an interesting poll from cnn, blaminf the ds over the rs, albeit by a small margin,

    I know it is a cnn poll.

  544. jason says:

    The Dems are being screwed by their own deadenders and Jorge Ramos and La Raza have them by the balls.

    And the Dreamers are also being screwed because the deadenders on their side are also “all or nothing” types we see on our side.

    They are being used as pawns.

  545. Tina says:

    Daca Goober, rube oaul jr, and lee, i believe.

  546. Wes says:

    That’s all the more reason Mike Lee shouldn’t have fetched when Schumer threw a ball, Tina.

  547. Tina says:

    I just cannot believe it. At least take the 4week cr and continue to negotiate over daca. The president seemed receptive, daca for the wall and an end to chain.

    Seemed fair

  548. Wes says:

    A fey wispy bachelor, a Paulbot, and a guy who channeled Mussolini to win a Senate seat.

    Nice.

  549. jason says:

    Where’s Mikey to defend Mike Lee?”

    Give him time to think of something, you know he is not the brightest light in the harbor.

  550. jason says:

    The Dems can’t agree on an end to chain because they are afraid of alienating the goose that gives them golden eggs, i.e. election wins.

  551. Tina says:

    The drats are making some puzzling moves.

    Against tax cuts.

    Piglosi calls the tax cuts crumbs.

    Frankenstein releasing the transcript of lying fusion hoaxer, simpson, which calls into question the role of the fbi and the cast of drats weaponizing the doj and fbi.

    Schiff for brains refusal to allow the 4 page document showing widespread 702 violations and fbi interfering in the election to aid hillary. He says he did not want to call undue attention to the matter, even though he leaks everything else in sight.

    And now daca, assisting illegals at the expense if our military and those on chips.

    Sad

  552. jason says:

    Which side is Mike and which side is Lee?

  553. Tina says:

    Mmcain was too ill to vote. I doubt he comes back. Sad too,.

  554. Tina says:

    And know wonder trump is at 45 percent in rasmussen, and likely higher if tou believe sabato.

  555. New York City says:

    What happened to Cotton/Perdue?

  556. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #564
    Add McConnell. His NAY was procedural so he can continue to bring the exact legislation to the Senate floor whenever he likes.
    McCain did not vote.
    The Senate Republicans “lost” six and gained five Dems. for a total of 50 Ayes.

  557. Tina says:

    10 votes short.

  558. Tina says:

    Stealth Jeff
    @drawandstrike
    Hugh Hewitt trending right now for appearing on MSNBC & the snowflakes on Twitter have the vapors because he – gasp! – said it was the Democrats that shut down the gov’t.

    In other words, he told them the truth.

  559. Wes says:

    Doug Jones voted to shut the government down.

    Thank you, Steve Bannon!

    You. Are. An. Idiot.

  560. Wes says:

    Why didn’t Roy Moore vote to keep the governmrnt functioning?

    Oh, wait.

    My mistake.

  561. Bitterlaw says:

    At least we won’t have to see stories about closing the museums and national parks like we did during the last shutdown. Since the Democrats own this one, it will be a Zzzzzzzzzz in coverage.

  562. jason says:

    Hey Bitter, beginning to like the new job yet?

  563. jason says:

    Yes, and the interviews with starving and sick people who are victims of the shutdown won’t happen either.

  564. jason says:

    I think there are like 5 bikes in the garage, I have never ridden any of them. My wife plans one day to ride one of them. I would have a garage sale but the Amish wouldn’t buy them so what is the point.

  565. Cash Cow TM says:

    I talked Walt into taking me to to the WVU bassetball game.

    Problem is he has no ticket for me.
    I guess I will have to sneak in…

  566. jason says:

    I had a garage sale once. Some of the Amish women came over and stared and giggled at my array of used toasters and George Foreman grills, old printers, and paintings of llamas and guanacos. In the end I sold some mason jars for a quarter, after the women went back to consult with the men before making the purchase.

  567. jason says:

    I guess I will have to sneak in…”

    Go early and say you were told the grass was a little high near the 10 yard line and you are there to handle it.

  568. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – Like it? No. Able to endure it until something else comes along? Probably.

    The good news is that I have lost 13 pounds in 2 weeks due to stress and nowhere to buy lunch. I highly recommend the stress and soda diet.

  569. Bitterlaw says:

    Do you still have the llama paintings? I’m interested.

  570. phoenixrisen says:

    #580 Wes, actually Jones was a yes vote.

    I think Rush has this one nailed. The Democrats wanted a shutdown to distract and halt the momentum of the news about the booming economy and the tax bill benefits that have hit the news cycle. It is killing their chances in the mid-terms. I think Trump, McConnell, and Ryan are playing this right. The NY Times and AP rolling headlines that the Democrats killed the resolution keeping the government open didn’t help and it had a lot of pubs pissed. Mulvaney labeling it the Schumer Shutdown was a brilliant PR move and caught the Dems flat-footed who are trying to react and label it the Trump shutdown though it is already too late as the GOP is out in front. Golden opportunity for the GOP to put together a pure budget bill to avoid shutdowns, no immigration or any unrelated spending matter. This is going to wind up ending badly for the Democrats. They may have self1inflicted a mortal blow to their mid-term chances

  571. Robbie says:

    NYCmike must be like a little child on Christmas morning. He’s gotten his much desired government shutdown. I’m sure conservative pundits and FoxNews hosts will tell us that Republicans will win this fight, but give me a break.

    Republicans are going to get blamed for this and the polls already show it. In fact, Republicans could win on the merits of this dumb fight and the public will still blame them.

    That said, I could imagine a no more fitting way to mark the end of Trump’s first year as president than a government shutdown.

  572. Tina says:

    Drats will get blamed for this. Shutting thengubment down for daca dump.

  573. Wes says:

    Robbie, didn’t Republicans try to negotiate and pass a CR? Didn’t the Democrats filibuster the CR and with the help of Mike Lee and Rand Paul deny the measure enough votes to invoke cloture?

    Do you dispute these facts?

  574. Wes says:

    Thanks, Phoenix. I just checked. Jones was indeed a Yes. I didn’t see his name earlier on the list of Yes votes.

  575. Tina says:

    Trump tweet: Democrats are holding our Military hostage over their desire to have unchecked illegal immigration. Can’t let that happen!
    6:37 AM · Jan 20, 2018

    56 percent against shutting gubment down for daca dump.

  576. Tina says:

    They wanted to also halt the dossier explosion.

    But largely the economic news, uh crumbs.

  577. Wes says:

    Your basic Robbie post ever since Trump denied JEB! the latter’s birthright of the presidency:

    https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-end-is-near-mean

  578. Tina says:

    The jebots with their drat allies own this.

  579. Wes says:

    Actually the Dems and the Tea Party own this, Tina. Mike Lee and Rand Paul were the most notable nays on the GOP side.

  580. Tina says:

    And daca goober too.

  581. Tina says:

    But mainly ds. You need 60votes, not 51.

    We are 10 short.

  582. Wes says:

    True, Tina.

  583. jason says:

    Wobbie as usual swallows the MSM narrative hook, line and sinker.

    It’s really pathetic.

    I would feel sorry for someone that brainwashed but I am an A-hole.

  584. Tina says:

    We will have to wait and see with rasmussen, the blue chip polling firm, and their take on blame,

  585. Wes says:

    What does Lord Arsehat think of the shutdown?

  586. jason says:

    Republicans are going to get blamed for this and the polls already show it.”

    Actually even the CNN poll couldn’t show it.

  587. Tina says:

    In jebot land, wes, tou know who is to blame

    Teump

  588. jason says:

    Lord Arsehat says according to his survey 96% of Americans blame Trump for the shutdown and 4% blame Bush.

  589. jason says:

    The Dems and the deadenders own the shutdown.

    What a beautiful coalition.

  590. Tina says:

    I have to say that mitchie and ryan have been effective through this so far.

  591. Wobbles says:

    Do you dispute these facts?”

    If its not on MSNBC it’s not a fact.

    – Rachel Madcow

  592. Tina says:

    Lord arsehat also says that 96.2 percent believe hillary wins in 2020.

  593. jason says:

    Actually the “holding the military hostage” line is propaganda like when the Dems used to parade starving people to illustrate the shutdown.

    But what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Let the moonbats get a taste of their own medicine.

  594. Mr.Vito says:

    Nevertrump also owns the shutdown with Graham and Flake.

  595. jason says:

    Do you still have the llama paintings? I’m interested.”

    Alas, they were donated to the proposed Inca Museum in York.

    So far they have the paintings and 8 dollars and 53 cents for the building fund.

  596. jason says:

    “Nevertrump also owns the shutdown with Graham and Flake.”

    The beautiful coalition just got more beautiful.

  597. mnw says:

    Among immigration reform priorities, I rank “the wall” fifth, after E*Verify; ending chain migration; ending the visa lottery; & creating a new mechanism to crack down on visa overstays.

    So, “the wall” is NOT my trigger— that would be E*Verify, if anything.

    All of that said, when a poll says 60% “oppose the wall,” that doesn’t account for “how much do you really care?” I suspect that the “oppose” voters aren’t going to rank the wall as “extremely important,” while a lot of “support the wall” would.

    In other words, cliche coming true, in politics commitment counts.

    And btw, if the DEMs want to make immigration the #1 issue for the next 3 years? I can’t think of a single issue that would benefit Trump more.

  598. Mr.Vito says:

    “Mr.Vito says:
    January 20, 2018 at 2:07 am
    The press has spent 5 years or more calling the 5 Democrats that voted with the republicans “moderates”.

    They have spent at least that long calling Paul and Lee obstructionists, and Flake and Graham all in Trump obstructionists.

    So, in truth, there are no good optics here for Democrats. But, that will not stop the usual suspects from trying to manufacture them.”

    I guess I should have mentioned some Republicans will try to blow it by shooting each other instead of blaming the Democrats.

  599. Wobbles says:

    guess I should have mentioned some Republicans will try to blow it by shooting each other instead of blaming the Democrats.”

    Are you calling me a Republican?

    Go screw yourself.

  600. jason says:

    All of that said, when a poll says 60% “oppose the wall,” that doesn’t account for “how much do you really care?” I suspect that the “oppose” voters aren’t going to rank the wall as “extremely important,” while a lot of “support the wall” would.”

    Don’t delude yourself, there are plenty of committed people against the wall too.

    The wall is a loser for Republicans, but a virtual wall which would cost a lot less and make a lot more sense could be sold as “border security” which most voters support.

  601. mnw says:

    P.S. to 619:

    I bet 70% of voters would tell you they favor “common sense gun control” measures too— exactly the kind of “common sense” laws that Pelosi & the DEMs have proposed for decades.

    But… the NRA & the 30% win every time— because the minority is really SERIOUS.

  602. jason says:

    The problem with Everify is that it doesn’t really keep illegals from coming in, technically it keeps them from getting “official” jobs but let’s face it there is still plenty of informal work available and Everify is not going to stop that.

    The Visa Lottery is a drop in the bucket, I don’t really have a problem with it as long as the people who win are vetted properly.

    If the goal is to “secure the border” then the virtual wall and limiting chain migration would be the two most effective measures.

  603. jason says:

    I bet 70% of voters would tell you they favor “common sense gun control” measures too— exactly the kind of “common sense” laws that Pelosi & the DEMs have proposed for decades.

    But… the NRA & the 30% win every time— because the minority is really SERIOUS.”

    Apples and oranges. Support for the 2nd amendment is higher than support for a physical wall.

    And the NRA does not win every time. We are actually only one SCOTUS seat and one wave election away from having serious damage done to gun rights, and the NRA is losing badly in places like CA and NY and CT.

    And there are just as many committed people on the anti-gun side, the problem for them is that they are concentrated in blue states and have little leverage on lawmakers from red states.

  604. mnw says:

    That is precisely the same problem that open borders supporters have as well.

    I think you are absolutely wrong about E*Verify. If it was mandatory, the magnet of genuine jobs, with benefits & all the rest of it, would be removed— assuming E*Verify was really enforced.

    As for the dark economy jobs? Fine, that’s a different problem. I could suggest ways to address that too, but it’s different.

    But first, let’s provide incentives for BIG legitimate companies (Seven Eleven; Tyson foods, etc) to stop hiring illegals! I suspect the recent public shaming of Seven Eleven (because of the multi-state ICE raids) has already had some beneficial effects.

  605. mnw says:

    One thing is for sure. The DEMs oppose ALL immigration enforcement measures because they see unrestricted immigration as their fast track to becoming a permanent majority, and they are absolutely right.

  606. SoHope says:

    1. Border security (selling it to the people as a wall is stupid)
    2. Chain migration
    3. E-verify
    4. Fund and hire more immigration judges
    5. Visa lottery

    I would say the first 2 are mandatory for any deal. And then 2 of the last 3.

  607. Tina says:

    The russians and the nra colluded.

    Jebot

  608. Tina says:

    Piglosi has said daca amnesty or else no bill

  609. mnw says:

    It is impossible to quantify precisely, but ICE thinks as many as 25-30% of all illegal aliens here now are visa overstays.

    Why impossible to quantify? Because the govt does not keep track of temp visa holder departures— only arrivals.

    Sleazebag attys advise their clients, “Just get a tourist or student visa & forget about everything else. You can stay forever.”

  610. mnw says:

    Tina

    Pelosi can’t stop the bill, as you know. Not enuf DEMs.

  611. Phil says:

    Yep. I’s not rocket science. Democrats want wide open borders. Let illegals in, give them a path to citizenship (voting rights in other words)….even those that don’t become citizens with the right to vote are useful to the Democrats. Illegals breed and their anchor babies become automatic citizens upon birth and reliable Democratic voters when they turn 18 because they become part of the Democrat’s permanent and expanding underclass necessary for victory in elections.

    Everyone knows what is going on here – well, not everyone. There are the Jebs and Robbies of the world who don’t care. Robbie is particularly interesting. He is always telling everyone how concerned he is with Republican election prospect….while at the same time telling the rest of us how border security and illegal immigration is not a problem for him. Yeah, Robbie, bringing in hundreds of thousands of impoverished future voters who will rely on the government is going to be a boon to Republican electoral prospects.

  612. mnw says:

    Once someone has a temp visa, they can marry a U. S. citizen & then apply for adjustment of status. A lot of the “marriages” are bogus marriage fraud deals.

    I sometimes think we have gone so far down the wrong track on Immigration, it may be irreversible.

  613. lisab says:

    i woke up this morning

    and 57 people in my apartment complex had died from the government shutdown

    that does not even count the ones who died from net neutrality

  614. lisab says:

    A lot of the “marriages” are bogus marriage fraud deals.
    ————————————–

    you have been watching green card too much

    that is not a huge issue

    the amount of paperwork a person has to do when you marry a foreign national is enormous

    that is in fact a problem … and why people who are here LEGALLY don’t like the ILLEGALS

    a few peace corps people i knew snuck people into the usa illegally because getting married leagally too forever

  615. lisab says:

    I sometimes think we have gone so far down the wrong track on Immigration, it may be irreversible.
    ————————-

    we might become a nation of immigrants if we are not careful!

  616. mnw says:

    Phil

    Ever see Invasion of the Body Snatchers?

    Suddenly Rep. Bob Dornan morphs into Rep. Loretta Sanchez.

    That’s the REAL blue wave— replacing the constituency. That’s the German model. And Minneapolis is close.

  617. lisab says:

    ICE thinks as many as 25-30% of all illegal aliens here now are visa overstays.
    ————————–

    that is probably conservative

    you come here as a tourist, and you don’t leave

  618. jason says:

    “I think you are absolutely wrong about E*Verify. If it was mandatory, the magnet of genuine jobs, with benefits & all the rest of it, would be removed— assuming E*Verify was really enforced.’

    Sorry, EVerify would do absolutely nothing, zero, nada, zilch to remove the “magnet”. Illegals already understand they are here illegally and that its already illegal to hire them. And they still come by the millions, EVerify is not going to stop them.

    EVerify is at most a tool to punish employers who hire illegals.

    It’s not going to keep anyone from trying to come in.

  619. mnw says:

    lisab

    No, sorry. A temp visa holder marries a USC, bogus marriage or not makes no difference. The backlog on adjustment of status petitions is YEARS, and the mere fact of the marriage effectively prevents deportation/removal.

  620. lisab says:

    i see two three big problems with immigration

    a.) we are letting immigrants in too fast to be absorbed, they are not being checked for diseases, criminal records etc.

    b.) we are letting too many unskilled people in

    c.) we are letting too many people in from certain countries, e.g. mexico, so they are simply setting up mexican colonies as opposed to integrating into society. it would be better to have immigrants from all nations instead of 1% from europe, 1% from africa, 5% from asian, 13% from south america and 80% from mexico. spread the immigration out

  621. lisab says:

    A temp visa holder marries a USC, bogus marriage or not makes no difference
    —————————-

    it is not like you just go down to city hall, get married and that’s it.

    the us citizen has to give all his/her tax records, they have to pledge support for 5 years, the spouse has to get checked for tb, and other diseases, they have to be interviewed by the ins or whatever they are called now, and the person has to leave the country and come back in AND must give police records showing they were not a criminal

    i am ok with that process … if someone goes through that … is vetted … pays a crap ton of fees and is checked for diseases and a criminal record … oh and gives up any right to welfare for 5 years

    i’m fine with that

  622. Mr.Vito says:

    I don’t care how many people immigrate to the United States as long as they respect Western culture and don’t live off taxpayers before they are citizens.

  623. Mr.Vito says:

    The ones that holding up signs saying “Make America Mexico Again” can get the hell out.

  624. lisab says:

    Sorry, EVerify would do absolutely nothing, zero, nada, zilch to remove the “magnet”.
    ======================================

    only if managers/owners are personally fined for each illegal they hire will the magnet end

  625. Mr.Vito says:

    I prefer a Mexican that wants to make America strong to a liberal citizen.

  626. Mr.Vito says:

    *liberal citizen that makes it weak.

  627. lisab says:

    I prefer a Mexican that wants to make America strong to a liberal citizen.
    ————————————-

    there is nothing wrong with an immigrant from any particular country per se

    it is when you have too many from one country and they simply create a colony … you end up with communities that just create a mini-country within the usa

    and then you end up with sharia law, honor killings, soccer …

  628. lisab says:

    oh … the secret troll word of the day is …

    chip

    all the children will die without chip

  629. Mr.Vito says:

    “and 57 people in my apartment complex had died from the government shutdown”

    your building must be full of the D.C. press corps…

  630. lisab says:

    Porn star Olivia Lua becomes fifth adult actress to die in three months
    ——————————–

    a star? have any of you heard of olivia lua?

  631. Mr.Vito says:

    Does anyone have the complete list of things Trump and/or Republicans have done that will kill millions?

    Are they the same millions every time, or can we keep a tab on how many millions they have killed?

  632. Mr.Vito says:

    “Porn star Olivia Lua becomes fifth adult actress to die in three months”

    Neat. How many accountants have died in the last three months?

  633. Mr.Vito says:

    “Porn star Olivia Lua becomes fifth adult actress to die in three months”

    Which of the Republican policies killed her? #metoo

  634. lisab says:

    well … don’t guns kill 9 million a day?
    net neutrality
    the shutdown
    the tax cuts
    trump golfing on mlk day

  635. lisab says:

    Which of the Republican policies killed her? #metoo
    ————————-

    your drug policy

  636. lisab says:

    How many accountants have died in the last three months?
    ———————

    not enough?

  637. lisab says:

    How many accountants have died in the last three months?
    ——————–

    accountants?

    or those in

    “accountancy”?

  638. Mr.Vito says:

    DW, My family’s prescriptions have turned out to be less costly under Medishare than under a fancy BCBS plan. The monthly cost-sharing is about a third of the Obamacare silver plan premiums with a $5000 smaller deductible.

  639. Mr.Vito says:

    The deductible is less than the total we had to pay in premiums for the BCBS plan.

  640. lisab says:

    Dog killer dies after pet owner rams him into a brick wall with his car

    The pet owner has been arrested on manslaughter charges and is awaiting trial after one of his pets was reportedly killed by the man. House of Horrors dad kidnapped his tenth-grade sweetheart from her high school to elope The deceased was accused of killing half a dozen dogs using the darts.

    Security camera footage posted online shows the man on his scooter shooting a dog with the dart gun and leaving. However, the owner heard his dog’s dying whimpers and rushed over to find it paralysed on the ground.

    He climbs into his car and gives chase, before reportedly ramming the assailant into a pillar and through the brick wall of a shop. Yangzhou City Police said that the man died at the scene and the owner is being questioned.

    The owner’s family have reportedly claimed that he got the pedals confused as he was driving and did not intend to ram the suspected dog thief with his car.

    A female relative of the deceased reportedly said: ‘Even if we were in the wrong, that does not give you the right to be judge, jury and executioner.’ In December, eight gang members were arrested after 200,000 poisoned darts which could be fired at dogs were sold in China.

  641. lisab says:

    don’t let this ruin your faith in porn stars but …

    olivia lua was a sexually promiscuous teen/preteen from a broken family who ended up abusing drugs and dropping out of school

    never would have guessed that

  642. Hugh says:

    I have empathy for the dog owner. I would not have killed the guy but I would have gotten my revenge.

  643. Hugh says:

    I think the dems got a bit ahead of their skis. Republicans seems very confident and united. It tells me the dems screwed up as we usually panic.

  644. lisab says:

    i once faced down a full grown german shepard that chased my cat, i had a softball bat,

    i think i’d seriously hurt someone who killed my cat

  645. lisab says:

    i hit his/her shoulder lightly and it jumped backwards in surprise about 10 feet

    then it growled and made to spring at me, and i was not going to run and leave my cat, so i steeled my self and it was batter-up

    the dog looked me right in the eyes and i guess figured out that i was going to kill it

    because it went from getting ready to spring to turning tail and running

    if i was korean, he/she would have been soup!

  646. SoHope says:

    I have been gone from HHR for a while. When did lisab give up her utopian socialist ways and become such a conservative?

  647. lisab says:

    still a socialist

    just hate the resistance

  648. Chicon says:

    Robbie is making it his personal mission to turn everyone here to a Trump supporter.

  649. Tina says:

    replies
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    ·
    12m
    Schumer: Neogitating with President Trump is like negotiating with Jell-O. It’s impossible to negotiate with a constantly moving target. Leader McConnell has found that out. Speaker Ryan has found that out. And I have found that out.

    Schumah just lying.

  650. Mr.Vito says:

    Has Chuck Schumer ever seen Jell-O?

    It only moves when you move.

    You know, like a negotiation.

  651. Mr.Vito says:

    “It only moves when you move *with it.”

  652. Mr.Vito says:

    However, I am not surprised Schumer would be unable to even negotiate with a helpless, totally malleable blob of gelatin.

    It is just too smart for him.

  653. Chicon says:

    Good negotiators don’t tell the other side what their bottom line is.

  654. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    593. Robbie: “Republicans are going to get blamed for this and the polls already show it. In fact, Republicans could win on the merits of this dumb fight and the public will still blame them.”

    And this bozo claims to be a Republican. Obvious troll.

  655. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    671. “Robbie is making it his personal mission to turn everyone here to a Trump supporter.”

    His one success. It is ironic, several posters like myself opposed Trump’s election, and as Robbie points out, are registered independents. The fact we are supporting Trump’s economic policies and a lot he does says something.

  656. Mr.Vito says:

    If your Jell-O is a moving target, you aren’t doing it right.

  657. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    12m
    WH’s Short says Schumer needs to “up his game.” Says Democrats are having “a two-year-old temper tantrum” and wanting to “take their toys and go home”

  658. Tina says:

    Lord arsehat should know that there was only one poll taken and it is not good nees for the drata. I linked the cnn poll already.

  659. mnw says:

    WSJ today:

    “Less-Educated Workers Seeing Biggest Weekly Pay Hikes”

    FTA: Americans with only a high school diploma are seeing faster earnings growth than their well-educated counterparts… in every quarter of 2017.”

  660. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Bitter and jason:
    A new scandal involving PA Congressman Patrick Meehan(R). Does he “retire”?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/20/us/politics/patrick-meehan-sexual-harassment.html?mtrref=t.co&gwh=1AF8E2C0986DF38C1801E55B99C9C78E&gwt=pay

  661. mnw says:

    PA-7 is R+1 PVI. Philly suburbs.

  662. Tina says:

    Some of the drats, including mckaskill, are claiming first time the gubment has shut down with ine party rule. This is not the case. Ds controllled both senate and house and shut the gubment down 5 times under carter

    September 30 to October 13, 1977
    October 31 to November 9, 1977
    November 30 to December 9, 1977
    September 30 to October 18, 1978
    September 30 to October 12, 1979

  663. lisab says:

    671. “Robbie is making it his personal mission to turn everyone here to a Trump supporter.”
    ———————————

    it is not that we support trump

    it is just increasing clear the robbies and many dems are not going to abide by the election process

    not only don’t they care the people chose trump, they don’t care that it looks like the dems used the fbi to spy on trump

    if sotomayar dies or resigns soon i predict the dems will not accept a replacement at least until the 2018 election and maybe not until they win again

    and had hillary won does anyone think any of this would have come out? moreover whatever the dems could not get through congress would just be by decree

    when one party just decides to nullify the laws they dont like, democracy itself is in danger

    you see it now in europe where you cannot even criticize the goverment’s immigration policies

  664. Tina says:

    Jubal E. Harshaw
    Jubal E. Harshaw
    @alimhaider
    If you criticize the FBI, you’re a tool of the Kremlin.
    But remember: ICE is a bunch of jack-booted racist, fascist thugs.
    11:35 AM · Jan 20, 2018

  665. lisab says:

    the fbi sucks

  666. lisab says:

    there was a time, and not too long ago, when dems would be outraged if a political candidate was spied on by the government in power

    th real reason gore had to go away and shut up was not because he 100% lost, that was not exactly clear at the time

    it was because the government in power could not be seen to overrule an election. had scotus ruled in favor of gore and then installed him would have made us a banana republic, without the ugly clothes

    now the dems want the fbi helping their candidate!

  667. lisab says:

    were i queen i would have the national guard sweep the fbi offices of all agents even remotely connected to spying on trump, seize all documents, and dismiss them all

    fbi agents should not be allowed even the appearance of impropriety

  668. Chicon says:

    689 – same thing could be said about the Republicans whose hatred for Trump has left them in an “end justifies the means” situation.

  669. Tina says:

    Diane Feinstein: “If the government shuts down, people will DIE!”
    Reporter: “How will you vote.”
    DiFi: “I vote shutdown”…
    ?

  670. lisab says:

    689 – same thing could be said about the Republicans whose hatred for Trump has left them in an “end justifies the means” situation.
    ————————–

    in locke’s second treatise on government he said, to paraphrase, society enters into a social contract where people have an election and then abide by the election, until the next election.

    but if one side refuses to abide by the election, there is no reason for anyone to trust the government,

    if the dems are like this now, when they clearly got their butts handed to them, what will they be like if they take over? when they control the media and congress and the courts and the fbi and the white house etc?

    imagine someone like robbie deciding if you had spoken hate speech

  671. lisab says:

    to give an example,

    had trump and hillary ended in a 2000 scenario

    with a 4-4 scotus

    given the media’s hatred of trump

    what would have happened.

    it would have been 24/7 hillary won the popular vote

  672. Cash Cow TM says:

    WVU wins handily…by 35 points.
    Was only 10 points at the half.
    It was very close when it started–0 to 0.

  673. Bitterlaw says:

    lisab – There is a good chance we get the same result in 2020. Dem wins popular vote and Trump wins EC. However, I do not expect Trump to win PA again.

  674. lisab says:

    as always it depends on events and the opponent

    i think biden would win

    i think trump would beat most of the others handily

    but events matter

  675. lisab says:

    warren and most of the others cannot win the midwest

  676. Wes says:

    Bitter, I doubt Trump loses the popular vote but wins the presidency twice. Even GWB couldn’t accomplish that dubious feat.

  677. Wes says:

    Any word from Lord Arsehat today?

  678. mnw says:

    Ryan has removed Meehan from the Ethics Committee, per RRH. PA-07 should be considered an open seat now, as a practical matter. Trump lost the district, even though it’s R+1.

    I once asked MD which PA GOP House candidate needed help the most, & he suggested Meehan. So I made a very modest contribution.

  679. mnw says:

    That is good Tina.

  680. mnw says:

    Man, it’s cold!

    It’s so cold Elizabeth Warren is pretending to be an Eskimo.

  681. Bitterlaw says:

    Meehan is my Representative. If he does not run, the seat goes Dem.

  682. Cash Cow TM says:

    Trump could never beat Oprah.
    Or Roseanne Barr.
    Or Walt’s cat.

  683. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Do you think that any Hillary voters would either stay home or actually vote for Trump in 2020? Any Dem not named Hillary may well get even more popular votes if they are not as loathsome as Hillary.

  684. mnw says:

    MD commended Meehan to my special attention in 2010.

  685. Tina says:

    Conversation
    Imperator_Rex Retweeted
    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    The Trump Administration has terminated more UNNECESSARY Regulation, in just twelve months, than any other Administration has terminated during their full term in office, no matter what the length. The good news is, THERE IS MUCH MORE TO COME!
    4:47 PM · Jan 20, 2018

  686. Tina says:

    Sarah Sanders
    @PressSec
    Nancy Pelosi is “very proud” Democrats shut the government down over illegal immigration and is taking Democrats out tonight to celebrate. Nice message to send to the brave men & women of our military and border patrol forced to work without pay during the #DemocraticShutdown

    Optics, piglosi, optics.

  687. mnw says:

    Tina

    MORE TO COME is very good news

  688. Tina says:

    Piglosi and the ds are dining at a restaurant where a meal costs over $30.

    Optics, while are troops are not paid?

  689. mnw says:

    If they are in Our Nation’s Capital, I’m surprised they can get a cocktail onion for $30.

  690. Mr.Vito says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/17/upshot/tax-calculator.html

    Starting to do my taxes this year… found this from NYT of all places.

    Playing around with it:

    1) It is nearly impossible to get a tax increase if you normally take the standard deduction.

    2) If you itemize and do not live in a high tax state, it is nearly impossible to get a tax increase unless you are making over 350K AND do not file as married.

    3) If you itemize and live in a high tax state, it will depend on the individual… about 50-50 at worst, and improves for lower income, married, and children.

    So, the people who will actually get hit are mostly high income, nonmarried, in high tax states.

  691. Mr.Vito says:

    That doesn’t go into effect until next year, of course.

  692. Tina says:

    Yeah, its not high, just poor optics.

  693. mnw says:

    Vito

    See 682

    To be read in combination with your 716.

    Winning.

  694. mnw says:

    Schumer: “Next to impossible to negotiate with hard right.”

    Guess what? Corker & Flake don’t live here any more. Didn’t you get the memo?

  695. Tina says:

    It could take up to 19 days for the 4 page memo to be released.

    Once released, the jebots will say nunes and the russians drafted it.

    Nunes will then counter to release the documents that went into creating the memo.

    Both times, requests to release by the congres will have to be reviewed by the exec branch.

    Hopefully, we get everything un redacted.

  696. Tina says:

    The way it a set up is just right. Take down the lower level first, and then the next. Eventualyy, the top will crumble.

    They are doing it differently than benghazi, irs, and the gunnrun scandals.

  697. DW says:

    I wish that while gov’t is shut down Trump would take the opportunity to permanently abolish the department of education.

  698. Cash Cow TM says:

    government shut down

    shut down

    snow thud
    own thuds
    hunt dows
    HT wounds
    HUD towns

  699. Proud Obamacon says:

    Senate Democrats? Verified account
    @SenateDems

    Early this morning, @clairecmc tried to pass a bill to guarantee military pay and death benefits in the #TrumpShutdown.
    Republican Leader Mitch McConnell: I object. WATCH: https://twitter.com/SenateDems/status/954761305424105472

    TRUMP.SHUTDOWN

  700. MichiganGuy says:

    Would you favor or oppose Democrats voting to shut the government down if the continuing budget resolution does not include restoring so-called DACA work permits for undocumented immigrants brought here illegally by their parents?

    Favor 42%
    Oppose 58%

    Do you favor or oppose the lottery that randomly picks 50,000 people to enter the U.S.
    each year for greater diversity?
    Favor 32%
    Oppose 68%

    Do you support or oppose building a combination of physical and electronic barriers
    across the U.S.-Mexico border?
    Support 54%
    Oppose 46%

    Trump Job Approval:

    Approve 44%
    Disapprove 56%

    Do you favor or oppose the tax bill that was recently passed by the U.S. Congress?

    Favor 47%
    Oppose 53%

    Harvard/HarrisPoll 1/17-19

    https://t.co/mZ3WEtgirc

  701. MichiganGuy says:

    Minnesota Governor – Republican Primary:

    Johnson 24%
    Daudt 14%
    Rosen 4%
    Dean 2%
    Downey 1%
    Stephens 1%
    Undecided 54%

    MINNESOTA
    Sen. Tina Smith (D) Favorable Rating:

    Favorable 17%
    Unfavorable 7%

    MINNESOTA
    Generic Congressional Ballot:

    Democrats 47% (+2)
    Republicans 45%

    MasonDixonPoll/StarTribune 1/8-10

    http://m.startribune.com/walz-johnson-lead-the-field-in-governor-race-but-many-minnesotans-remain-undecided/470040653/

  702. mnw says:

    DW

    The MN generic is pretty exciting news!

    I note Harvard/Harris is online & RVs.

    I’ve always said, immigration is the battlefield of choice for the GOP. All the DEMs have to say is “you’re either for open borders or you’re a rayciss.” Let’s take that proposition to the ballot box.

  703. MichiganGuy says:

    Trump administration officials are determined to keep large segments of the government open even after Congress failed to approve a funding bill late Friday night, saying they don’t want to “weaponIze” the government shutdown to score political points.

    Trump wants a kinder, gentler, shutdown
    The administration is trying to keep agencies operating for as long as possible, a departure from the government shutdown of 2013.

    If lawmakers remain deadlocked over the weekend, most government employees have been instructed to arrive at work Monday morning for a few hours to close up shop. Some agencies, including the Department of Interior and Centers for Disease Control, will continue to provide some services for as long as they can with the money they have.

    The tactic to keep doors open for as long as possible is a departure from the government shutdown of 2013, when President Barack Obama, a Democrat, made a show of closing national parks and other public-facing facilities in an effort to increase pressure on Republicans to cut a deal.

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    Trump wants a kinder, gentler, shutdown
    The administration is trying to keep agencies operating for as long as possible, a departure from the government shutdown of 2013.

    By LORRAINE WOELLERT 01/20/2018 04:18 PM EST
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    Trump administration officials are determined to keep large segments of the government open even after Congress failed to approve a funding bill late Friday night, saying they don’t want to “weaponIze” the government shutdown to score political points.

    If lawmakers remain deadlocked over the weekend, most government employees have been instructed to arrive at work Monday morning for a few hours to close up shop. Some agencies, including the Department of Interior and Centers for Disease Control, will continue to provide some services for as long as they can with the money they have.

    Story Continued Below

    The tactic to keep doors open for as long as possible is a departure from the government shutdown of 2013, when President Barack Obama, a Democrat, made a show of closing national parks and other public-facing facilities in an effort to increase pressure on Republicans to cut a deal.

    Government Shutdown 2018
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    What you need to know as the government shuts down

    ?Congress stuck in shutdown stalemate
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    “The Obama administration weaponized the shutdown in 2013,” Trump budget director Mick Mulvaney told reporters Friday. “The only conclusion I can draw is they did so for political purposes. So it will look different this time around.”

    On Saturday, Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke was on the National Mall tweeting about National Park Service workers on the job this morning. Zinke, who said he will keep as many public lands open as possible, bumped into workers heading out for the trash pick-up on the Mall and
    chatted with visitors at the World War II Memorial, where veterans had stormed barricades in 2013 to protest that year’s shutdown.

    Mulvaney said he has encouraged agencies to use funds they already have to keep providing as many services to the public as possible, which he said was a departure from the Obama administration’s approach in 2013.

    “They did not encourage agencies to use carry forward funds, funds that they were sitting on, nor did they encourage agencies to use transfer authority,” Mulvaney said. “They could have made the shutdown in 2013 much less impactful, but they chose to make it worse.”

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/20/government-shutdown-agencies-trump
    ————————————————————————————–
    Wow, politico actually wrote a positive article on the Trump administration.

  704. MichiganGuy says:

    Oops, copied to much.

  705. MichiganGuy says:

    Just click on the link. It will be a much easier read.

  706. MichiganGuy says:

    mnw, Minnesota as you know is a purple state. If we can find good candidates we have a great chance of winning at least 1 Senate race and the governor’s race.

  707. mnw says:

    I’m up because my knee is killing me, btw.

  708. mnw says:

    Perhaps MN will partially replace PA in 2020.

    Btw, PA-07 will need some work next time you do a summary.

    OTOH, a Gravis poll on 1/7 showed the GOP nominee +12 in PA-18. A bit old, but that’s all the info there is.

  709. Redmen4ever says:

    No need to track consumer confidence at Polling Report anymore (at least not until there’s bad news).

    http://www.pollingreport.com/consumer2.htm

  710. jason says:

    I’m up because Sunday breakfast is always special.

    Scrapple, bacon, sausage, eggs, waffles, biscuits, coffee.

    I know, no different from any other day, but it seems more special on Sundays.

    Sue me.

  711. jason says:

    Hey Proud Obamcon how is the economy doing in your socialist paradise of Venezuela?

  712. jason says:

    Wolff is accusing Trump of having an affair with Nikki Haley.

    Wobbie to say he believes it in 3, 2, 1….

  713. jason says:

    Hey mnw try a high potency Curcumin/Turmeric supplement, its a powerful anti-inflammatory. Give it a couple weeks and you will see a big difference.
    You can order online at Amazon, the ones in pharmacies are not high potency.

  714. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie is sad this morning due to the new CNN Poll’s Congressional Generic Ballot(49/44 Dem.) results(question 15,go to Registered voter data).This is the fourth poll in a row showing Republicans ahead of Donkeys with Independents(+2). I believe the same question in CNN’s prior poll showed Democrats +16(or higher).

    http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/01/21/democrats.2018.poll.cnn.pdf

  715. mnw says:

    jason

    Thx for the suggestion. I’ll ask my doctor. He says 5 weeks out from the surgery I’m about where I’m supposed to be, but I didn’t know this was going to be such a huge deal.