Biden Leads Two National Democratic Primary Polls

We have, count them, two national polls for the Democratic primary race in 2020 and in both cases, Joe Biden leads the field. One comes from Axios and Survey Monkey and the other comes from Harvard and Harris.

Joe Biden 22%
Bernie Sanders 17%
Elizabeth Warren 16%
Oprah Winfrey 16%
Kamala Harris 7%
Kirsten Gillibrand 4%
Cory Booker 3%
Tom Steyer 1%

Joe Biden 27%
Bernie Sanders 16%
Hillary Clinton 13%
Oprah Winfrey 13%
Elizabeth Warren 10%
Kamala Harris 4%
Cory Booker 4%
Andrew Cuomo 2%
Kirsten Gillibrand 1%

The Axios poll was done January 10-11 and the Harvard poll was done January 13-16. Considering all the fawning over her, I would have expected Winfrey to start much higher in a primary poll than she currently is showing if she really expects to win the nomination.

Posted by Dave at 9:36 am
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335 Responses to “Biden Leads Two National Democratic Primary Polls”

  1. jason says:

    I will vote for Oprah

  2. jason says:


    Thx for the suggestion. I’ll ask my doctor.”

    Doctors don’t believe in st-ff that reduces the need for doctors.

    Try it, it’s nothing that will hurt you, but will probably help.

    Turmeric/curcumin is one of the components of curry, but you would have to eat a lot of curry to get the benefit of a high grade pill.

  3. Tina says:

    I am waiting for the polls to show the Republicans gettting blamed for the government shutdown.


  4. mnw says:

    Alright, as long as it’s harmless at worst. Not sure what it has to do with a screaming post-surgical knee, but I’ll report back on the experiment.

    I posted this last night late, but I don’t remember having seen it here:

    A Gravis poll taken Jan. 7th in PA18 has Saccone (R) +12 on the DEM. It’s the only poll I’ve seen for the special election so far. I’m sure there will be a bunch soon.

    Saccone (R) is a veteran state legislator, so he probably starts out with better name rec. In Gravis, Saccone is drawing a lot of DEMs, fwiw.

    Lincoln said, “I’d like to have God on our side, but I must have Kentucky.”

    That’s how I feel about PA18.

  5. mnw says:

    PA18 ain’t no open seat for the WI legislature.

  6. Messy57 says:

    Trump and the Republicans have been lying to Democrats for years.

  7. jason says:

    Your knee is probably still inflamed and sore from the surgery.

    Do you have arthritis in your hands or knees, the curcumin/turmeric will help too.

  8. jason says:

    Trump and the Republicans have been lying to Democrats for years.”

    Was Trump lying to the Democrats when he was a Democrat or only when he became a Republican?

  9. Wes says:

    MichiganGuy says:
    January 21, 2018 at 1:59 am
    mnw, Minnesota as you know is a purple state. If we can find good candidates we have a great chance of winning at least 1 Senate race and the governor’s race.

    Ay Dios Mio…

    Elmer Gantry clearly does NOT know what he’s talking sbout. Minnesota is a left-wing state whose white demographics unusually brnefit the Democrats. Scandinavians–the whites most deeply devoted to expanded government and social programs–are a major voting demographic there while Lutherans–the most leftist Christian denomination–are a major religious voting bloc there.

    Although Trump did surprisingly well in the state last year, he still failed to carry. It was only close because Hillary ignored it along with all the other states in the region. Beyond that, no Republican has won statewide since Tim Pawlenty dcraped by in 2006. He and Coleman had both won narrowly in 2002, but voters began a purge of statewide Republicans thereafter. Coleman was robbed for reelection in 2008 while Mark Dayton became Governor after the 2010 elections.

    Since then all Democrats have won by double digits statewide, including the odious Al Franken. Republicans have won narrow majorities in the State Legislature but have made no headway elsewhere.

    Currently there simply is no path to victory for the GOP in Minnesota. 2016 indicates that may change, but we need more empirical evidence to draw that conclusion.

  10. Ron N says:

    Is Cruz still in the senate? He has been so quiet has he learned that he only hurt himself being so outspoken. I like this Cruz and can see him making a bigger inpact in the future.

  11. mnw says:

    Was Trump “lying to the Democrats” when he was hosting Celebrity Apprentice? Because that’s what he was doing until day before yesterday.


    I can’t sign off on your view of MN. I noticed IA start to turn red FIRST, & then I noticed all of the other upper Midwest states starting to go the same way, including MN.

    The fact that HRC was a wretched candidate obviously did NOT cause the DEM party under Zero to lose all those state legislative seats & ROW offices.

    We all recognize the GOP problems. What we MAY be missing is this: the DEM party has been reduced to its liberal Acela/California core. If the DEM base (Sanders/Pelosi) brings their radical program (Obamacare on steroids, et al) to flyover country, they’ll be throwing Trump a lifeline.

    Something may turn up, as Mr. Micawber said.

  12. jason says:

    Wes is correct in his assessment, calling MN purple may be a stretch, but there is no doubt MN is “trending” red. Trump only lost it by 40k votes, less than 2 points. Hillary only got 46% of the vote. You can make a good argument this was one of the states Trump would have won if not for Gary Johnson who got about 3 times the vote difference between Hillary and Trump. Even Nathan Johnson of the Independence Party got 53k votes, more than the 40 k difference.

    And of course Franken didn’t actually win, he stole the election.

    My view is that WI, MI and MN are no longer a reliable blue wall for Dems primarily because they are “whiter” than the national average and whites are moving away from the Democrats.

  13. mnw says:

    In answer to your question, I have terrible arthritis everywhere. I deal with it & continue to work, shop & everything else.

  14. Tina says:

    I beli ve trump won the day of voting in mn. Def. trending more red.

  15. mnw says:

    As far as I know, Trump considered MN such an unlikely pickup possibility that he devoted no effort there, either.

  16. Ron N says:

    I believe the rust belt is becoming the new south base for different reasons. The south is for its culture and history the rust belt because of left wing policy. Idk if it will be permitted but for the time being it’s trending that way. It’s about the policy and keeping the economy moving ahead in those states is the key to keeping them red.

  17. Chicon says:

    17 – good morning, mnw, sorry to read that the knee is keeping you up…

    Didn’t Trump do a Minneapolis rally in the final stretch of the campaign? Might have been for NW Wisconsin, but could have been a result of their MN polling. Anyway, as we’ve discussed before, I think real inroads have been made in the Upper Midwest. Time will tell if those gains can be consolidated.

  18. mnw says:


    Bluz played worse game of the season last night. They’ve hit bottom now.

    I think MN was close because Trump’s late effort to win WI “slopped over” in a way that shocked the Trump campaign. Unexpected success caught them napping!

  19. Chicon says:

    Mnw, same for the Hawks. Lost 7-3 at home to NYCMike’s Islanders. Looked like they didn’t give a hoot. Dead last in the Central by 5 points. Headed for a lottery pick. It was gonna happen sometime – it was a great run.

  20. Tina says:

    Lying slimy schumah indicates that he authorized the wall. Of course he did not approve any appropriations for it, authorization and appropriations are not the same,

    The wall is already authorized. See bush 2006. No funds werre appropriated by it,

    It is still dumb for the ds to shut down the gubment over daca. Now more people will hate this already unpopular program.

  21. mnw says:

    As u probably saw, Bluz lost 5-2 at home to the Coyotes— the worst team in the league. They played like they didn’t care.

  22. Tina says:

    York on the 4 pg memo,

    This is brilliant. Call attention to it. Neuter schiff for brains, he can only attack nunes, but schiff is surrounded.

    19 days they release the memo with possibky all supporting investigative documents, blowing schiff out of the water.

    Then the charges…

  23. Tina says:

    Also, mulehead and swampstein are effectively taken out.

  24. Tina says:

    James Brower ??
    Republicans will indeed go Nuclear to pass the budget, I also am hearing they are less likely to compromise on DACA after Democrats tried slapping it to the budget.#SchumerShutdwon
    7:43 AM – Jan 21, 2018

  25. Chicon says:

    23 – just two seasons ago, Blues beat the Hawks in the third period of the seventh game. It was round one, but those were two of the top 3/4 teams in the league. Times have changed, eh?

  26. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Great to see how hard Republicans are fighting for our Military and Safety at the Border. The Dems just want illegal immigrants to pour into our nation unchecked. If stalemate continues, Republicans should go to 51% (Nuclear Option) and vote on real, long term budget, no C.R.’s!
    4:35 AM – Jan 21, 2018

  27. Chicon says:

    Tina, how are they gonna go nuclear when only 45/46 gop senators voted for the bill? McCain won’t be back, so every Republican senator will have to vote to eliminate the legislative filibuster. No democrat will do so, imo.

  28. janz says:

    It’s risky to change the Senate rules, allowing the majority to get their agenda and budget through with a simple majority rather than what is seemingly an unreachable 60 votes. However, this will bite them in the butt when majority rule reverts back into the hands of the dems. Consequently, I have mixed feelings about it.

  29. Tina says:

    Yeah it will not work, it is just an idea.

  30. Chicon says:

    Janz, the Dems will do it the moment they’re back in charge.

  31. Cash Cow TM says:


    Turkey INVADES Syria…

    Tanks, soldiers cross border…
    We did not have all this trouble in Syria and the Middle East when Obama was president.

  32. janz says:

    #32 Chicon, you’re probably right, as dems always seem to up the ante of power when they are in power. Nonetheless, this kind of political brinkmanship is, IMO, a very unhealthy means to an end. I personally feel, that when a party attempts to bring another party’s president down, by any means possible, it weakens the whole rule of law that has kept this country intact.

  33. lisab says:

    I personally feel, that when a party attempts to bring another party’s president down, by any means possible, it weakens the whole rule of law that has kept this country intact.

    that was john locke’s point

    and the reason i cannot in good conscience support the dems right now

    we had an election, get over it

    we will have another election in 2020

  34. lisab says:

    climate scientist: my findings are meaningless if taken out of context.

    cnn: scientist claims “findings are meaningless.”

  35. Chicon says:

    Janz, I very much agree with your last sentence. I think the brinksmanship has always been present, and that it has helped forge compromise.

  36. lisab says:

    librarian lives frugally entire life to donate a fortune to university library where he worked, university spends money on new football scoreboard ‘in his honor’

  37. Mr.Vito says:

    In regard to Minnesota…

    Gallup party ID as of Jan 2017 had moved Minnesota to a competitive state with a D+4.7 spread.

    Michigan was competitve at D+4.9, and New Mexico was the only lean Dem at D+5.5.

    All other states higher than those were double digit Dem spreads:

    WA, NJ, OR, RI, IL CT, CA, HI, DE, NY, MD, MA, VT

  38. Hugh says:

    The Midwest can be solid red if we play it right. Trump policies with some self control on the ego.

  39. Chicon says:

    43 – the Republicans need to adopt the Trump messaging to the middle class if they want to consolidate their gains. Agree on the ego.

  40. jason says:

    Dems are more afraid of increased number of border patrol agents than they are of the wall.

    ‘Regardless, some advocates believe that the border wall itself has taken on an undue level of importance. Sharry noted that in many cases the addition of more immigration enforcement personnel is in some ways a greater concern than the wall, since border patrol agents “roam around border communities stopping brown people and asking for their papers” and ICE agents “are ripping families apart.”

  41. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Sure everyone has noticed the trolls have gone into hiding. Shows how bad the decision by Pelosi/Shumer was to close down the government.

  42. Mr.Vito says:

    Schumer will need to call his new press secretary, Jimmy Kimmel.

  43. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wow! Tammy Duckworth rips the Groper several new orifices calling him a “five-deferment draft dodger” and “Cadet Bone Spurs”

    Duckworth 2020


  44. Mr.Vito says:

    Jake Tapper
    ?Verified account @jaketapper
    Jan 20

    Jake Tapper Retweeted Fox News

    Digression: This makes no sense. One would never be negotiating with jello. The idiom would be ‘trying to negotiate with him is like nailing jelly (or Jell-O ™) to the wall,’ meaning it’s near impossible and the perameters keep changing.


    Jake Tapper must be reading my posts.

  45. Chicon says:

    What’s a Duck worth?

  46. Chicon says:

    Vito IS Jake Tapper!

  47. Mr.Vito says:

    Teens roam streets with rifles as crime swamps Sweden

    The army may be called in to halt a gang surge in immigrant areas

  48. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON is wasting time here when he has a choice of his three Marxist paradises to choose from … Cuba, North Korea and Venezuela.

    I am sure he thinks China is betraying the Marxist ideal.

  49. jason says:

    So Bitter, who would you rather play in the SB, the Jags or the Cheatriots?

  50. Mr.Vito says:

    “Vito IS Jake Tapper!”

    I would not devote airtime to whether the shutdown could result in the earth being hit by an asteroid or destroyed by an epidemic.

  51. Tom says:

    It’s time to end the filibuster rule. It will not survive 5 minutes after the Democrats take control of the Senate the next time anyway. We might as well ax it now and get things done on multiple policy fronts to include entitlements.

  52. jason says:

    So Tammy Duckworth never had a problem with Obama (who never served) treating vets like sh-t for 8 years and dismantling the military, but she has a problem with Trumps deferments?

    You have to admire the chutzpah.

  53. DW says:


    New CNN generic congressional ballot:

    Dems 49
    GOP 44


    Their prior poll was D+18

    Trolls hardest hit by the news.

  54. jason says:

    Cheatriots look like crap here in the first half.

  55. Wobbles says:

    Trash it.

    Did I say I thought the GOP would hold the House if Trump is at 45?

    I misspoke, I meant 50, the 43 CNN has him at is too close for comfort.

  56. Chicon says:

    DW, Robbie has already explained how these tightening CGB polls are simply an illusion.

  57. Chicon says:

    Pat’s getting physically mauled.

  58. jason says:

    As far as I know, Trump considered MN such an unlikely pickup possibility that he devoted no effort there, either.”

    He was there on Sunday of the election for a big rally and Pence was in Duluth on the eve of the election.

    They must have had good information it was close.

  59. jason says:

    Robbie has already explained how these tightening CGB polls are simply an illusion”

    He supported Jeb Bush, so you have to admit he knows about illusions.

  60. Mr.Vito says:

    Gallup posted its Party ID from 2017.

    It is identical to 2016.

    It is also identical to 2000 and 2012… the GOP won the house all three years.

    There are no midterm years at the current 47-42 level… the only years since the house transformed in 1994 where the Democrats took the house required years of 50-40 and 52-40.

  61. Mr.Vito says:

    The upshot is that the events between now and election day will determine the 2018 midterm… not anything prior.

  62. DW says:

    68 – exactly. Even though some have posted here sounding certain about what will happen.

  63. Mr.Vito says:

    “One exchange between Strzok and Page, dated July 1, 2016, referenced then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch’s decision to accept the FBI’s conclusion in the Clinton investigation. Lynch’s announcement came days after it was revealed that the attorney general and former President Bill Clinton had an impromptu meeting aboard her plane in Phoenix.

    “Timing looks like hell,” Strzok texted Page.

    “Yeah, that is awful timing,” Page agreed. In a later message, she added: “It’s a real profile in couragw [sic], since she knows no charges will be brought.”

    Four days later, then-FBI Director James Comey announced that no charges would be brought against Clinton, even though — as he put it — her actions in regard to the private server were “extremely careless.”

  64. Chicon says:

    66 – most definitely.

  65. DW says:

    Recent Generic ballot polling:

    D+5 – CNN
    D+6 – NBC News
    D+6 – Economist/YouGov
    D+5 – Reuters/IPSOS
    D+6 – NPR/PBS/Marist
    D+5 – Emerson

    D+11 – Quinnipiac
    D+14 – Pew

    Which ones don’t look like the others?

  66. jason says:

    Jags should have tried to score…that was stupid.

  67. jason says:

    Well, actually we all knew no charges would be filed.

  68. Chicon says:

    72 – and Quinnipiac moved 6 toward the Republicans from their earlier poll, right?

  69. Hugh says:

    Reaction to shutdown for gop better than hoped for. Would be going even better if Cruz had not sold his party down the river and orchestrated a shutdown for no purpose in 2013. Still we are messaging as good as we can with a hostile press.

  70. jason says:

    Under believe it or not category…

    “But the department also said in a letter to lawmakers that its record of messages sent to and from the agent, Peter Strzok, was incomplete because the FBI, for technical reasons, had been unable to preserve and retrieve about five months’ worth of communications.”

  71. jason says:

    You could imagine what the MSM would say if the FBI was not able to retrieve communications that were considered detrimental to Trump.

  72. Chicon says:

    Jason, check out the link in 50. It’s amazing to me this isn’t a bigger deal.

  73. Chicon says:

    Big brawl in the parking lot before the Eagles game. Shocked, I am.

  74. jason says:

    Thats a fumble.

  75. Tina says:

    Conscience of guilt by the fbi there.

    Anyway, nsa likely has the emails.

    They are not likely “lost.”

  76. jason says:

    “It’s amazing to me this isn’t a bigger deal.”

    Why? Nothing amazes me anymore on how politicized even the government agencies have become.

    Elections have consequences. And one consequence of Obama’s eight years in office is how partisanship seems to have invaded places that used to be above politics.

  77. biomom says:

    I see that New England brought its refs again today. What a surprise!

  78. jason says:

    New CNN generic congressional ballot:

    Dems 49
    GOP 44″

    Wobbie doesn’t like it, but this polls validates what I have been saying for a long time.

    Trump got 46% of the vote. Hillary got 48%.

    Little has changed since the election.

    Most of those that hated Trump still hate him, most that liked him still like him.

  79. jason says:

    see that New England brought its refs again today. ”

    Yep, although I agreed with the latest pass interference call.

    The one in the first half was horrible, ball completely not catchable.

  80. jason says:

    If I was the Eagles, I would prefer to play the Cheatriots.

  81. jason says:

    Jags deserve to lose because if that p-ssy play at the end of the half…. kneeling when you have a whole minute.

  82. MichiganGuy says:

    Paul Ryan Favorable Rating:

    Favorable 34%
    Unfavorable 43%
    Mitch McConnell Favorable Rating:

    Favorable 24%
    Unfavorable 41%
    Charles Schumer Favorable Rating:

    Favorable 24%
    Unfavorable 34%
    Nancy Pelosi Favorable Rating:

    Favorable 29%
    Unfavorable 47%
    MorningConsult/politico poll 1/11-16

  83. Hugh says:

    Go Vikings. The new American team

  84. mnw says:

    jason 85

    is exactly right.

    As for MN, I still think there last minute stuff there was chosen as the best way to get into the rural WI markets— I remember reading something to that effect back then.

  85. mnw says:

    sb “their last minute”

  86. Phil says:

    OMG! What an unfortunate turn of events.

    So the Justice department has just informed Senator Johnson that the FBI was unable to preserve all text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page for the six months between Dec 14th, 2016 and May, 17th, 2017.

    The FBI blamed it on “misconfiguration issues related to rollouts, provisioning, and software upgrades that conflicted with the FBI’s collection capabilities”.

    Ok everyone. That’s good enough for me. Robbie to appear soon to tell us it is just an unfortunate coincidence. The NYT, CNN, and Washington Post all assured him there was nothing to see here.

  87. Tina says:

    Do not denegrate the fbi. The end justifies the means,


  88. Phil says:

    Yep, nothing to see here.

    Seriously, the whole thing stinks to high heaven.

  89. Tina says:

    I know, i am sure those messsages were not accidentally deleted.

  90. jason says:

    I am not even denigrating the FBI. Or the IRS. Or the EPA. Or NASA.

    What I am saying is that what is happening is a natural consequence of having a lot of extremely partisan appointments. Do you think Obama would appoint anyone that is not a global warming alarmist to NASA? I think in the past the staffing of these positions were much more merit based than politically based, once you got away from the cabinet positions. But even cabinet positions, compare the Hillary for SOS appointment to Rex Tillerson, hard to paint Tillerson as a conservative hack.

    I am not saying anything intentionally criminal is going on. When you have everyone on the same page politically you are going to get decisions reflecting that mindset.

    Different from the judiciary, where traditionally liberals or conservatives are picked depending on who is President.

  91. Phil says:

    Come on, Tina. It was just an unfortunate accident. You should not be so cynical. The deep state is a total myth. Robbie told me so.

  92. Tina says:

    Partisan appointees, incompetent officials, and corrupt aholes.

  93. jason says:

    “misconfiguration issues related to rollouts, provisioning, and software upgrades that conflicted with the FBI’s collection capabilities”.

    I sympathize, Bitter and I had this problem during our tenure in office here at HHR, and as results there are still some gaps in the annals.

  94. jason says:

    I was just going to say to Bitter, don’t worry the Pats looked like crap in the first half too and won and the Eagles get a pick 6.

  95. Phil says:

    Dear Senator Johnson,

    We absolutely love to get those text messages to you. We really would. Unfortunately our dog ate our homework.

    Your friends at the FBI

  96. jason says:

    Check out Redstate, they have a pretty good summary of the timeline…

  97. Diamond Jim says:

    It’d be enough to tick off the Pope if he wasn’t a liberal.

  98. Wes says:

    So the Justice department has just informed Senator Johnson that the FBI was unable to preserve all text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page for the six months between Dec 14th, 2016 and May, 17th, 2017.

    The FBI blamed it on “misconfiguration issues related to rollouts, provisioning, and software upgrades that conflicted with the FBI’s collection capabilities”.

    This reminds me of the Clutch The Guild of Mute Assassins:

    The swinging of its censers!

    The silence of its members!

    Oh, the Guild of Mute Assassins!

    From the places in between…

    That are so seldom seen…

    Oh, the Guild of Mute Assassins!

    The song is about a clandestine order of asssassins sworn to silence before moving to take out a political foe.

    How apropos.

  99. jason says:

    Eagles show Jaguars how you can use 28 seconds, let alone a minute.

  100. jason says:

    I hope the Eagles win, but if they give the Cheatriots another SB I will be pissed.

  101. jason says:

    Tina doesn’t think the emails are really lost….

    Hard to believe they would be lost unless intentionally deleted.

    And of course they would be on the computers of the people who sent them…

  102. biomom says:

    Long time left. Go Eagles! Whomever wins, BEAT New England! Just hate them! At least the refs will not be officiating in New England!

  103. Tina says:

    Also, the ig may have the emails, Wray would not know this. He is not to blame for losing the emails.

  104. Hugh says:

    Well Vikings will lose. I’m happy for bitter but the super bowl will be a bust the kneelers and fist raisers will make sure many like me will pass. Had the Vikings made it I would have cared enough to watch.

  105. Chicon says:

    Congrats, Bitter. Eagles looking tough. Some great throws by Foles. Take him out after 3.

  106. NYCmike says:

    “But elections are not about picking perfect people. They are about picking the best person running for an office to fill that office. And looking back at President Trump’s first year in office, I remain convinced that he was the better candidate for president in 2016. “

  107. Chicon says:

    Good article, Mike. But she’s clearly a Trump Chump.

  108. jason says:

    It will probably get 60 votes.

  109. jason says:

    The post before will get 60 votes got caught by Hal.

    It’s come to this…

    “A House Democrat said he will force a vote to impeach President Donald Trump on Friday because his reference to Haiti, El Salvador and African nations as “sh-thole countries” has “sabotaged” efforts around a bipartisan immigration bill.”

  110. jason says:

    I am glad Bitter has an incentive to live another 2 weeks.

  111. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh – GFY

  112. jason says:

    And I already have a strategy to keep him around at least another year.

    If the Eagles win, they could repeat in 2019.

    If the lose, they can try again in 2019.

  113. Tina says:

    Yeah, hope the eagles win the sb.

    There, the only bone I will throw to bl. /s

  114. Tina says:

    It all comes down to being a border hawk on ILLEGAL immigration.

  115. Bitterlaw says:

    Why Hugh thinks the Vikings are more patriotic is a mystery.

  116. jason says:

    A move to impeach Trump for allegedly eating steaks well done would probably get 80 votes. I would have to vote yes myself.

  117. jason says:

    At least the refs will not be officiating in New England!”

    The refs always favor the Cheatriots wherever they play…..they are geographically impartial.

  118. jason says:

    The Vikings ARE more patriotic.

    They have all sworn to spill their blood for the King of Norway.

  119. biomom says:

    112?.. Foles is a Christian. Just heard his post interview interview. Hope they win against the cheeting Patriots.

  120. Bitterlaw says:

    The Patriots will be favored and should be. However, the Eagles’ defense is damn good. Brady will face pressure. If the Vikings couldn’t stop Nick Folles, they would have given up 70 to Brady.

  121. jason says:

    “Foles is a Christian”

    Don’t tell the ESPN talking heads until after the SB.

  122. Chicon says:

    Bitter, Alshon had a big game today. I’m happy for him, he hasn’t been injured this year.

  123. jason says:

    I don’t know if the Cheatriots should be favored. They were lucky to win that game, if it wasn’t for a 3rd and 18 conversion they probably would have lost.

    Meanwhile, the Eagles ran over the Vikings like they were playing the HHR all stars.

  124. Walt says:

    Mr. Bitter,

    Congrats on the Eagles win.

    Since your team has 4 former WVU players on the roster as well as 2 Shepherd (WV) University players on the practice squad, I guess I will be rooting for the Eagles.

  125. Bitterlaw says:

    All of Brady’s SB victories have been close. If the Eagles could get out to a 38 point lead in the 4th, they might win in OT.

  126. DW says:

    Congrats Bitter…I don’t care about the NFL, but for your sake, hoping the Eagles win over New England.

  127. Bitterlaw says:

    There is one problem. My 50th birthday is the after the Super Bowl. The NFL gods would love to stick it to me by having the Patriots win again.

  128. Walt says:

    Went to see a comedy and music show at Shepherd University. They always end the performance with
    the audience joining in to sing the following song.
    I cannot get through all the verses without choking up.

    Those of you who are not WV natives will not understand that, I know. But WV natives’ feelings for our home places and home towns here among the hills is so special.

    West Virginia, oh my home
    West Virginia, where I belong
    In the dead of the night, in the still and the quiet
    I slip away, like a bird in flight
    Back to those hills, the place that I call home

    It’s been years now, since I left there
    And this city life’s about got the best of me
    I can’t remember why I left so free
    What I wanted to do, what I wanted to see
    But I can sure remember where I come from

    West Virginia, oh my home
    West Virginia, where I belong
    In the dead of the night, in the still and the quiet
    I slip away, like a bird in flight
    Back to those hills, the place that I call home

    Well I paid the price for the leavin’
    And this life I have’s not one I thought I’d find
    Just let me live, love, let me cry
    But when I go, just let me die
    Among the friends who’ll remember when I’m gone

    West Virginia, oh my home
    West Virginia, where I belong
    In the dead of the night, in the still and the quiet
    I slip away, like a bird in flight
    Back to those hills, the place that I call home
    Kathy Mattea has a version of this song out–originally written by WV native Hazel Dickens.

  129. Hugh says:

    124. They may not be but they avoided any kneeling and fist raising. I am now recovering nfl addict who only watched one full nfl game this year last weeks Vikings game and about half of tonight’s game. I will skip the super bowl. Best part is I don’t miss it. Who knew? Sorry the Vikings lost. I hope your team wins but I hardly care.

  130. Tina says:

    And i am sure nsa rogers has the “missing emails.”

  131. BayernFan says:

    Yeah I stopped watching nfl when the colts tanked a perfect season. I was a little surprised that I didn’t really miss it. It freed so many hours on Sunday.

  132. Bitterlaw says:

    If people don’t watch the Super Bowl, I respect that. The false narrative that the Vikings were morally superior and more patriotic than the Eagles is bs. The most outspoken Eagle, Malcolm Jenkins, has been pretty quiet lately.

    It is a very religious team. Carson Wentz tweets about his faith. Nick Folles gave credit to God tonight

    The haters can watch Puppy Bowl.

  133. lisab says:

    Ig office has the “missing emails.”

    it is pretty difficult to lose emails

    the servers are backed up daily. they make multiple backups and send them to different physical locations.

    worse, how do only the emails between those two people go missing? are they saying that for 6 months all the emails went missing and no one noticed?

    the reason hillary’s emails were lost is that she controlled the server, or really her people did.

  134. Cash Cow TM says:


    Are you forlorn that the Patriots lost?

  135. Cash Cow TM says:

    Is a cross between a poodle and whack a mole called a whacka doodle?

  136. lisab says:

    Are you forlorn that the Patriots lost?

    yes … i am distraught …

  137. BayernFan says:

    With the NFL being a socialist parity worshipping organization…..the Eagles should win because they never have.

  138. lisab says:

    the Eagles should win because they never have.

    win what?

  139. MichiganGuy says:

    Nevada Governor GE:

    Adam Laxalt (R) 37% (+3)
    Steve Sisolak (D) 34%
    Adam Laxalt (R) 39% (+5)
    Chris Giunchigliani (D) 34%

    TargetSmart/Giunchigliani (D) Internal poll 1/3-7
    (D) Internal poll and the best that they could come up with is down by 3. LOL

  140. hugh says:

    Bitter. I am not a hater. However, I am tired of my comedy and sports being inundated with politics. So why not pull for the team that respects their fans?

  141. hugh says:

    I realize is a spoiled few ruining it for the rest of the players, but it does not matter to me. At my firm, if I went into my Jewish clients and starting asking them to accept Jesus as their savior, I would be kicked out of the partnership.

  142. Bitterlaw says:

    The Eagles players constantly praise the support and passion of the fans. You are an outsider, Hugh. You have no idea what this team means to its fans.

  143. Chicon says:

    Flake and Graham to vote with the Republicans today. What’s changed since the last vote?

  144. jason says:

    Hugh, I agree with your position, I think the kneeling players and the NFL’s and owner’s response has poisoned the well for a lot of viewers like me. I only watched about half the playoff games, and several Sundays during the regular season I didn’t watch at all. I am not going cold turkey but definitely will try to wean myself off. Maybe the Broncos can have another crappy season to make it easier.

    But I am happy for my friend Bitter, its not easy being an Eagle’s fan, and he is entitled to enjoy the moment. I hope Carson Wentz’s ill advised dive into the end zone for a meaningless TD doesn’t cost the Eagles the SB, the Eagles have been the most consistent team all season and deserve the trophy.

  145. Bitterlaw says:

    It was a tight game with home field advantage on the line. It was not meaningless or ill- advised to score when the opportunity was open.

  146. Paul says:

    Time for shutdown predictions:
    I say that it will last through this week.

  147. Paul says:

    155 Chicon: The CR is shorter. And McConnell says he’s committed to having something like Graham/Durbin debated in the Senate by Feb. 8.

  148. Phil says:

    The longer the better. The more votes you put on the record the better for Republicans. If I were McConnell I’d make Senate Democrats go on record daily.

  149. Paul says:

    159: I think the Dems want a similar commitment from Ryan before voting for the CR>

  150. Paul says:

    I bet it will be a DACA plus Wall/security. Family based (chain migration) and other changes will be tossed for now. I’d think that would be a win for the Dems.

  151. hugh says:

    I am not hardest hit. I didn’t watch the game. Spent the afternoon enjoying drinks on my dock in south florida looking at the water. Much better than wasting my time watching what is mostly a bad product, save a half dozen teams and only if they play each other. I never realized how bad it was until I gave it up.

  152. Phil says:

    I’m happy for Bitter that the Eagles have had the great season they have had.

    Personally, I’m no longer interested in the NFL, but that’s just me. Not interested in being part of any organized boycott of the league. It’s just a personal decision not to watch a league that pushes a leftist agenda in my face. Some may want to ignore that and more power to them. Me? I personally have drawn the line. It’s kind of like the late night talk shows. Colbert, Kimmel? As far as I’m concerned they can take their day in day out agenda and stuff it. My choice.

  153. hugh says:

    I agree with Phil and my hope is that the Eagles win.

  154. Waingro says:

    “I bet it will be a DACA plus Wall/security. Family based (chain migration) and other changes will be tossed for now. I’d think that would be a win for the Dems.”

    That’s essentially what Trump wants. The Coulters/Kaus Trump nativist wing won’t be happy with that, but the MAGA wing and most of the GOPe will be satisfied as well.

  155. mnw says:

    According to Politico, a GOP internal has them -4 on the generic in “swing districts.” Fwiw.

  156. jason says:

    I bet it will be a DACA plus Wall/security. Family based (chain migration) and other changes will be tossed for now. I’d think that would be a win for the Dems.”


    The Dems want open borders, so technically anything short of that is a loss.

    But they also wanted a “clean DACA”, not going to happen.

    In any case, it would be a win for me, I favor a DACA deal coupled with border security.

  157. jason says:

    It was a tight game with home field advantage on the line. It was not meaningless or ill- advised to score when the opportunity was open.”

    I disagree. While it was important to put points on the board, it wans’t do or die on that PLAY. If the game or home field advantage was on the line on that play, say the last play of the game with the Eagles down by 6, ok, risk your star QB. ON that play, diving into the end zone with people coming at you from all sides, no.

    And of course the TD didn’t even count an the Eagles won

  158. dblaikie says:

    I am glad that the generic congressional polls are tightening because it means HHR won’t be cluttered with Robbie’s and PObamcan’s drivel.

  159. DW says:

    “But they also wanted a “clean DACA”, not going to happen.”

    Said another way, Dems want Obama to still be president so they can get what they want.

  160. Chicon says:

    Robbie, say it ain’t so! You’ve told us that the CGB is tied to Trump being hated, and that things like the tax bill wouldn’t have an impact. Well…..

  161. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason wants an excellent mobile QB who is 6 feet from the goal line and no defender in front of him to take a knee. Got it.

  162. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh – The allegedly patriotic Patriots also had protesters.

  163. Chicon says:

    I don’t care about the dopes protesting – their opinion means nothing to me.

    I watch less NFL because it is less exciting to me than it used to be.

  164. hugh says:

    equally bad. I will definitely be pulling for the eagles. that was never in doubt for this game

  165. jason says:

    Jason wants an excellent mobile QB who is 6 feet from the goal line and no defender in front of him to take a knee”

    He should have slid in feet first as far as he could get without getting hammered.

    He dove in head first with defenders coming in on both sides

    The video is clear…

  166. Chicon says:

    I will root for the Patriots – Bitter is only happy when he’s miserable.

  167. Chicon says:

    Why did Foles play the last 13 minutes of a blowout? Imagine him getting a non-contact knee injury with a 30 point lead in the 4th. Dumb.

  168. Redmen4ever says:


    2006 – opened at D+6.5 in Sept, peaked at 17 in Oct, won by 8

    2008 – opened at D+12 in July ’07, peaked at 13 in May ’08, won by 11

    2010 – opened at D+10.5 in Jan ’09, tied or Republicans ahead by 1 or 2 points from Jan to July ’10, won by 7

    2014 – opened at D+8 in Jan ’13, within a point or two either way from Jan to Sep ’14, Republicans won by 6


  169. DW says:

    So what did Schumer gain from the “Schumer Shutdown”?

  170. Chicon says:

    I recall the legal genius Robbie opining from his nether regions about the impact of evidence of bias on the Mueller team (in addition to the potentially illegal seizure of Trump team computers). Well….

    Law and crime is run by former MSNBC guy Dan Abrams. Seems this author sees a potential issue for Mueller. Robbie knows better, though, so we’ll wait for his ruling.

  171. Chicon says:

    Chucky caved. He saw that his side was taking the heat – otherwise there’d be no deal today.

  172. Redmen4ever says:

    The Schumer shut down: he was playing to his (the Democratic Party) base. Trump has already said he will sign whatever bill the Congress will send him to fix DACA. Even “a bad bill.” Trump’s hoping he gets an immigration reform bill and not merely an amnesty bill.

  173. DW says:

    Chuck U. Schumer said he got a deal to get a vote on immigration. Well that vote was going to happen anyway. So he got nothing.

  174. DW says:

    Votes are in, shutdown over.

  175. jason says:

    Wow, I finally agree with something Rand Paul said…

    It was bound to happen one day.

    Will take a quick shower and carry on.

    “The DACA issue has been held hostage to people on the left who want their perfect immigration bill or nothing, and people on the right who want nothing,” Paul said on CNN.

  176. jason says:

    Democrats won the “right to keep fighting”.


    “Senate Democrats relinquished on the government shutdown Monday, agreeing to vote to reopen the government but insisting they’ll keep fighting for illegal immigrant ‘Dreamers’ over the next weeks, with another shutdown deadline looming Feb. 8”

  177. jason says:

    That’s like when Republicans vote for debt limit increases while “insisting they’ll keep fighting for a balanced budget”.

  178. Chicon says:

    189 – yep, politicians generally change positions more often than porn stars.

  179. dblaikie says:

    It was fun to watch the dems blink for once in Congress. Schummer was pathetic at best.

  180. Bitterlaw says:

    If he slid feet first then he is probably down at the 1 AND gets hit by the same defenders.

    Don’t tell Jason but a QB can get hurt on any play.

  181. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason wants QBs to never move.

    He must have hated the way Elway played. Such recklessness.

  182. jason says:

    he slid feet first then he is probably down at the 1 AND gets hit by the same defenders.”

    That would be a 15 yd penalty and a first down. But he wouldn’t get hit if he slid.

    Wentz was very stupid.

    And of course you can get hurt on any play, but there are acceptable and less acceptable risks.

    And Elway ran for a lot of yards, but he had a remarkably injury free career because he tried to be smart about it.

    I am all for scrambling QB’s, but diving into the end zone like that is not smart, its stupid.

  183. phoenixrisen says:

    This is going to kill enthusiasm with the Dem base in the mid-terms. Caving to the GOP on the shutdown is going to make the far left go into a tizzy. The Kossacks have to be besides themselves now

  184. jason says:

    On Yahoo there is a headline

    “Shutdown shows power of illegal immigrants”

  185. Paul says:

    So new CR has to pass house and get presidents signature. Should be smooth sailing, but we’ll see.

  186. BayernFan says:

    WTF CHUCK!?!?! Lolol

  187. Tom says:

    When Schumer saw that even the liberal media wasn’t going to cover for him, he knew he’d screwed up and had to salvage what he could. This will still help the GOP in November.

  188. Chicon says:

    Trolls are busy elsewhere today.

  189. DW says:

    Carnival Cruise stocks way up today as advance sales boomed over the weekend.

  190. Wes says:

    Basically Schumer expected the GOP to take the blame for the shutdown. When that didn’t happen, he became French and raised the white flag.

    Where’s Robbie to tell us the GOP took the hit for the shutdown?

  191. DW says:

    202–see 201.

  192. Wes says:

    Hehe, DW.

  193. Wes says:

    I have to wonder why the Dems couldn’t get the media to cover for them on this. I expected “GOP starves people and leaves them homeless” stories day in and day out.

    Instead, the media said the Dems caused this.

    Curiouser and curiouser.

  194. mnw says:


    A DFM poll shows the GOP candidate Saccone ahead only 41-38. Trump’s JA in the same poll is +2 in the district.

    The sample saize is 374 self-identified LVs.

    The polling outfit is in MN & “DFM” sounds like “Democratic Farmer” Party to me.

    RRH is having an eeyore orgasm about the poll, btw.

  195. DW says:

    205 – it is curious. Rare to see Chuck U. Schumer with such an obvious unforced error.

  196. Wes says:

    I can only guess the media didn’t want to have to go to bat for illegals to cover the Dems and decided to play the coverage straight, DW. Schumer clearly thought they’d be in his back pocket.

    When they did the right thing, he saw his chance at getting a major advantage out of this fading away and ordered full-scale retreat.

  197. Mr.Vito says:

    Mulvaney and Sanders made the press and Obama look very foolish on this one pretty quickly, so they cut and ran.

  198. DW says:

    208 – and maybe the media felt sort of painted into a corner and decided to help Schumer figure out that a quick retreat over a weekend of shutdown is better than the damage caused over a longer term shutdown.

  199. Tina says:

    Ds lose budget battle.

    Jebots crushed.

  200. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason hardest hit. Pretty stupid play.

  201. Mr.Vito says:

    I don’t know what this is about, but I agree that was a stupid decision by Elway.

  202. DW says:

    Everyone knows about John Elway’s last college football game, but Elway isn’t why everyone remembers it.

  203. Tina says:

    The rasmussen poll was pretty brutal too. It was released today..

    Jebots to return to muh collusion.

  204. Chicon says:

    214 – something about a band?

  205. Mr.Vito says:

    “Sen. Cory Gardner said Monday that Democrats will have to explain to the American people why the nearly three-day government shutdown was necessary.

    Gardner (R-Colo.) said the “same basic offer” was available to Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer on Friday night but it was rejected, causing the government to shut down over the weekend and into Monday.”

    “He said Republicans agree there must be a solution for Dreamers, “children who were brought here at a very young age through no fault of their own.”

    Gardner explained it must be part of a broader bipartisan bill that strengthens border security, including the “border wall system,” and addresses chain migration and the visa lottery program.”

  206. Chicon says:

    Tina – maybe muh crazy or muh pig.

  207. mnw says:

    The poll I referenced in post 206 was commissioned by the AFLCIO, so it’s essentially an internal.

  208. Wes says:

    You know things are bad when RRH wasn’t saying the Dems got the best of the shutdown today.

  209. DW says:

    216 – yep…”the play to beat the band” was Cal’s miracle play where they took Stanford’s kickoff, and as time expired, Cal made five laterals to move the ball down the field and the Stanford band ran onto the field with their instruments. So you had football players running right past tuba players, and in the end zone Kevin Moen mowed down a trombone player as he won the game.

  210. Wes says:

    Did anyone watch The Alienist last night? I first read the book 20 years ago and enjoyed both it and its sequel.

    The series is very faithful to Carr’s novel thus far.

    I know, I know. It had no zombies and barbed-wire baseball bats, so Bitterlaw was uniterested.

  211. Walt says:

    Has been a good day.

    Got the pond fountain going again and ice is rapidly melting.

    Only 2 little 2-inch fish bit the dust…so far.

    Also took care of necessary correspondence and bills paid.

    Also, resolved the problem with my laptop battery not charging.

    And after a long break, the newest episode of the on line riveting Vietnam War book Thirty Days Has September was posted today. Sadly, the unit lost 22 dead and 15 wounded from misplaced artillery rounds.

    plus the Dems in congress blinked and shutdown over.

    A good day…

  212. Tgca says:

    Good day in south FL too. Got new shower installed with better hot water mix and water spritzing at every angle for the body. It’s like a standing jacuzzi with all the pressure nozzles. Overhead, upper back, lower back, feet, and free style arm….and on top of that, it’s warming up so a nice comfortable 76 today with a current of 75. Brghhhh!!!!

    Can’t wait to take a hot shower again. My shower is enormous and can fit like 4 people rather comfy and includes a cubby hole space to stand in or sit in, so maybe 5 or 6 total. Though I’m sure previous owners have used the cubby hole space for other things.

  213. mnw says:

    I’m guessing most of you saw where CA is now registering illegal aliens to vote automatically when they get a DL.

    This is a horror story from hell.

    Apparently the DEMs have simply abandoned their claim that illegal aliens voting is a figment of right wing imagination.

  214. Hugh says:

    I’m shocked. I think trump is a complete $&@&$ but we rolled them for the first time in many years. Their deadenders are now doing the same damage outs have done for years. Even Cruz figured out how to be smart. I’m encouraged

  215. Phil says:

    Yeah, California has basically just abandoned any pretense that they will follow the Constitution. The Republican House delegation just got halved.


    Pay attention to everything that has gone on in California. It is the left’s model of how the US will be run in twenty five years. The United States of America based on the California model. One Party rule by the left on a national scale in twenty five years. Book it.

  216. jason says:

    Elections have consequences. A bunch of liberals got elected to the state supreme court and now the liberals want new districts drawn.

  217. jason says:

    Walt is the only HHR member to ever have used a computer AND an abacus.

  218. Proud Obamacon says:

    We caved but I’m OK with it. Ball’s in your court now, ReThugs! Couple of weeks to get to a vote on Immigration. Then on to the Groper!

    If it don’t happen, then you are liars!


  219. Phil says:

    I should say the Republican House delegation IN CALIFORNIA.

    Once California demographics become national demographics the left will have an election lock (as they do in California) on a national scale.

  220. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason to reply with his usual $hit about North Korea, Venezuela, Soviet Union in 3.. 2.. 1

  221. Phil says:

    PO loves Venezuela, eh, comrade?

  222. mnw says:

    Phil 228

    Yes. Exactly.

  223. mnw says:

    Phil 232

    Yes, exactly.

  224. jason says:

    Debbie Downer comes up with a great answer on “what the Dems got”

    “What one thing can you point out that the Democrats, that Leader Schumer, what one thing did he get from Republicans to justify shutting down the government in the first place?” Baldwin asked.

    “The one thing I would say that he did get is the potential for momentum,” Schultz said. ”

    Translation: “we didn’t get sh-t”

  225. jason says:

    “Potential for momentum”


  226. Phil says:

    yeah, “potential for momentum”


  227. jason says:

    The resident Marxist hack troll is back?

    Last I heard Trump was “in the 20’s” and the Dems were headed for 250 seats in the House.

    “AZ is gone, we are now fighting for Texas”

  228. jason says:

    that Leader Schumer,”

    The Marxists in the MSM will soon be using “Dear Leader”

  229. jason says:

    We caved but I’m OK with it”

    Translation: I am used to being a moonbat loser, comes natural to me.

  230. Proud Obamacon says:

    Just a reminder, Rethugs control the House, Senate, and WH. We barely have any leverage. Yall celebrating like you actually won something LOL.

    Go ahead and end DACA, that’s what yall really want. So do it, have some ballz!


  231. NYCmike says:

    “Even Cruz figured out how to be smart. I’m encouraged.”

    -Cruz finally got some help, and “surprisingly” it came from a “liberal Democrat” clownshow out of NYC/five boros area!


  232. NYCmike says:

    NOW, let’s hold out for end to chain migration, and lottery system, along with appropriation$$$$ for the WALL and E-Verify.

    Dems will get DACA.

    The American people WANT ALL OF THOSE THINGS! Our principles/ideas are winning issues! ROLL WITH THEM!

  233. Proud Obamacon says:

    McTurtle is on record to hold a vote on immigration before Feb 8. If the Turtle reneges on this, we can refuse to vote on the next CR (and it will be another CR not a budget).


  234. NYCmike says:

    Great job, Speaker Ryan!

    Great job, Senate Majority Leader McConnell!

    Great job, President Trump!

    And GREAT JOB! to the House and Senate, and to the Justice Dept. and IG for continuing to go after the bad actors in our government!

  235. NYCmike says:


    A fella from Peru came by today and said “Say “HELLO” to my little friend with “saharaulla”!”.

    (Is that the correct way to use that word?)

  236. Phil says:

    Either give Democrats their open borders are they’ll vote again to shut down the government.

    Awesome strategy Dems.

    An absolute winner. Do it.

  237. mnw says:

    NYC 245

    Your lips to God’s ear.

  238. jason says:

    Hey Proud ObamaCON, declare you want open borders, that is what you really want.

    Have some balz.

  239. NYCmike says:


    Keep pushing!!

  240. mnw says:


    I dunno how I could push any harder.


  241. NYCmike says:

    -Not me writing this…..but if anyone can point out where the writer is incorrect, please do so.

    MD, “CG”, Robbie, and Author were unavailable for comment!

  242. NYCmike says:


    Until it happens……

    But put some effort into your knees and the Bluezzz as well!

  243. NYCmike says:

    ” “There is no limit to what we can achieve when we set free the dreams of our incredible people,” President Trump said to a crowd of supporters standing on a decidedly cold cement floor of an equipment company in suburban Pittsburgh.”

  244. MichiganGuy says:

    #PA18 Special Election:

    Rick Saccone (R) 41% (+3)
    Conor lamb (D) 38%
    Undecided 21%

    DFMresearch/SMARTUnionWorks poll 1/18-19

  245. Bitterlaw says:

    I know, I know. It had no zombies and barbed-wire baseball bats, so Bitterlaw was uninterested.

    Zzzzzzzzzz. I read the book years ago. I did not know they made it into a tv series.

    I thought Wes was against tv shows based on books.

  246. Tina says:

    50000 new text messages released between pete the cheat and the mistress.

    The missing texts are problematic for the reasons outlined here

  247. Tina says:

    The drats are upset. Now they say piglosi sold them out. So now, per drudge, their loony oeft will primary chalenge the less loony drat holders..

  248. MichiganGuy says:

    Generic Congressional Ballot:

    Democrats 45% (+4)
    Republicans 41%

    Impact of tax cuts on economy:

    Good for economy 51%
    Bad for economy 37%
    Unsure 9%
    Impact of tax reform on your family:

    Will help 46%
    Will hurt 35%
    Neither 9%

    Internal House GOP Poll

  249. Tina says:

    Yeah, go ahed n shut the gubment down again for the illegals.


  250. Phil says:


  251. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    231. “We caved but I’m OK with it. Ball’s in your court now.”

    Wow Obamacon! At the end of Trump’s first year in office that’s all you can say? – “we caved.” Last year you were saying that Trump would be driven out of office.

    At least your the only troll brave enough to show up. Robbie must be in Bogo Pogo suffering from coconut fatigue.

  252. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Before anyone gets too concerned on the new California voter registration law (which is similar to one already enacted in Oregon), should point out voter registration forms are regularly sent out with car registration and other state mailings. There is no identification requirement to prove U.S. citizenship. Any illegal alien wanting to vote, already can do so. In the past Democrats politicians pointed out the lack of ID requirement, and indirectly encouraged them to vote. Also identification is not required at polling places when you go to vote in California.

    Here are the provisions of the new law:

    “When people go to the DMV to obtain or renew a driver’s license, or to get a state identification card, they’ll be asked for the usual information in such transactions, such as their name, date of birth and address. They’ll also be asked to affirm their eligibility to vote and will be given the choice of opting out of registering at that time. Information about anyone who does not decline registration will be electronically transmitted from the DMV to the secretary of state’s office, where citizenship will be verified and names will be added to the voter rolls.”

    “Padilla noted that there is already a separate process for residents in the country illegally to apply for special licenses. Although citizens are currently offered the opportunity to register to vote at the DMV under an earlier federal law, noncitizens are not. That will continue under the new registration process. People applying for the special licenses will not be asked about their eligibility to vote and will not be asked if they’d like to opt out of registration.
    “We’ve built the protocols and the firewalls to not register people that aren’t eligible,” Padilla said. “We’re going to keep those firewalls in place.””

    Frankly the door was already wide open for illegal aliens to vote, so there will not be a lot of change. It will slightly worsen it.

  253. lisab says:

    the dems forgot how many african americans, and other dems,

    are in the military,

    and were not getting paid.


  254. jason says:

    A fella from Peru came by today and said “Say “HELLO” to my little friend with “saharaulla”!”.

    (Is that the correct way to use that word?)”

    This is a sarihuella….

  255. NYCmike says:

    The guy told me it means “the face of the Devil”, but that may fit as well.

  256. jason says:

    Sorry, I am not convinced Trump is a conservative.

    But I will admit he is more conservative than Hillary.

  257. Proud Obamacon says:

    Let’s go Turtle. You promised a vote on DACA, let’s get everyone on the record. Reminder that DACA has 80% support. Time to vote yall.


  258. Cash Cow TM says:

    face of the devil

    office chat dele
    clove thief fade
    devote chaff lie
    vile chaffed toe
    lived off the ace

  259. lisab says:

    ABC Poll: Democrats up 51-39 on generic ballot, 54-39 among likely vote

  260. lisab says:

    Pennsylvania Supreme Court Strikes Down State’s Congressional Map, Saying It Illegally Benefits GOP

  261. Cash Cow TM says:

    SC spends $9 BILLION on nuclear power facilities that will never be operational.


    [$9 billion would fund the entire general revenue budget for over two years…just saying….]

    …Or buy enough hay for Cash Cow for a gazillion years…

  262. Cash Cow TM says:

    Westinghouse gotr the contract to build the SC nuclear reactors.

    ” Westinghouse bought thousands of hand-machined nuts that cost $114 each, rather than sturdier, off-the-shelf nuts that retailed for $2.20, according to The Post and Courier. There was a reason for that: Westinghouse got to charge 15 percent overhead on everything it spent. Every thousand nuts meant $17,100 in revenue for the company, rather than the $330 it would have collected if it used the cheaper version.”


  263. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Westinghouse went bankrupt last spring and the utilities quickly called it quits on the project. Customers have already been billed some $2 billion for the reactors. Under current regulations, the utilities continue to collect $37 million per month. That means the average ratepayer is paying an additional $250 per year, or 18 percent of the bill. This could go on for 60 years. “You will literally have your children and grandchildren pay for this mistake,” says Bursey.”

    Holy Moley….

  264. lisab says:

    actually, nuclear power tends to be quite competitive with coal when everyday pollution costs are factored in. if nuclear power was safe, i would actually favor closing all coal power plants and going completely with nuclear.

    unfortunately, a disaster at a nuclear power plant is catastrophic, which is why i currently favor coal.

  265. lisab says:

    regarding the dems caving on the schumer shutdown …

    i haven’t seen the dems this apoplectic since …

    well …


  266. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    279. “unfortunately, a disaster at a nuclear power plant is catastrophic, which is why i currently favor coal.”

    Lisab, your not being powered with coal, your power is coming from natural gas — or in this cold weather, they are using a lot of oil as well. The reason is New England has refused to build enough gas pipelines, so your paying through the nose. You pay three times the amount of electricity that I pay in California. Its nuts. Here is the recent MWh price comparison.

    New England 75.10
    Mid-Atlantic 43.67
    Midwest 27.93
    Southwest 24.75
    Northwest 20.00

    Sorry to tell you this, but title of the Forbes article at this link says it all:

  267. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This was the nuclear clown show that caused the permanent shut-down of the San Onofre nuclear plant in Southern California.

    The San Onofre nuclear plant closed down after radiation leaks in 2012. The steam generators malfunctioned. The utility company blamed Mitsubishi the builder of the steam engines, claiming they were defective, who responded by blaming the utility for poor maintenance. It was hard to fix the exact blame, since the nuclear plant logs had been destroyed.

    “The engineer who wrote the Nuclear Regulatory Commission report stated one of the problems with preparing it was the logs had been destroyed. “If those logs have not been destroyed, they will show immediately whether or not Edison risked the lives of 8.5 million Southern Californians by redlining the Unit 3 generators,” he said.” “

  268. Tgca says:

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    We slept the whole night through
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    and catch the latest news
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    To predict Truuuuuimps demise
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  269. MichiganGuy says:

    Even Crazy Jim Acosta of Fake News CNN agrees: “Trump World and WH sources dancing in end zone: Trump wins again…Schumer and Dems caved…gambled and lost.” Thank you for your honesty Jim!

    Even Crazy Jim Acosta of Fake News CNN agrees: “Trump World and WH sources dancing in end zone: Trump wins again…Schumer and Dems caved…gambled and lost.” Thank you for your honesty Jim!

  270. MichiganGuy says:

    In one of the biggest stories in a long time, the FBI now says it is missing five months worth of lovers Strzok-Page texts, perhaps 50,000, and all in prime time. Wow!

  271. MichiganGuy says:

    Why the Democrats lost their nerve in the shutdown battle

    “From the outset, the government shutdown had been a test of wills. On Monday morning, the Democrats realized they had lost theirs.
    At a caucus meeting in a room just off the Senate floor, a group of vulnerable Senate Democrats told their leader, Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.), that the cost of their effort to protect young undocumented immigrants known as “dreamers” from deportation was rapidly escalating. It could imperil what was otherwise a promising outlook in November’s midterm election — and with it, the Democrats’ hopes of ending their exile from power.

    With the shutdown heading into its third day, they were feeling the heat and finding it hard to control the messaging war. Voters in Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were getting Republican robo-calls saying Democrats had “prioritized illegal immigrants over American citizens.”

  272. Wes says:

    I thought Wes was against tv shows based on books.

    No, Bitter. I’m not against shows based on books. I’m against bandwagon jumpers like you and Jason who pointedly ignore a literary property for years and then declare its live-action descendant great after the rest of the country suddenly discovers it.

  273. Wes says:

    Jon Tester refused to vote to end the shutdown. Tester is reminding me more and more of Ben Chandler–an out-of-touch liberal representing an increasingly conservative area who, secure in his expectation of victory, leaves behind him a series of votes that will make him vulnerable to a chalenge.

  274. mnw says:


    That PA18 poll u posted above in 258 was paid for by the AFLCIO. It was 394 self-identified LVs, and it did NOT provide ANY party ID for the sample, i.e., the D/R/I split for those polled.

    The Trump JA of +2 looks odd, for a district Trump carried by a huge margin.

    In short, I think it can be regarded as a DEM internal.

  275. dblaikie says:

    274 I knew it. I predicted it! In the face of the closing generic numbers, I knew that some media or left wing college outfit would come with bogus numbers to keep the narrative alive that the Dems were way ahead. Don’t believe a word of it!!!

  276. MichiganGuy says:

    mnw, I suspected as much by the name “Union” in DFMresearch/SMARTUnionWorks poll. That’s good news though. Even the dems know we are winning.

  277. mnw says:


    P.S. It was paid for by a group within the union that promotes more public transportation spending.

  278. NYCmike says:

    “Jon Tester refused to vote to end the shutdown. Tester is reminding me more and more of Ben Chandler–an out-of-touch liberal representing an increasingly conservative area who, secure in his expectation of victory, leaves behind him a series of votes that will make him vulnerable to a chalenge.”

    -WOW! Such a radical concept! The political party with power in a certain legislative body makes members from the opposition take votes which will either piss off the voters from their states, or the leaders of the party they belong to!

    Who would have ever thought of doing such a thing!!??

  279. jason says:


  280. jason says:

    jason the bandwagon jumper.

    I like it, and it should be worth some points.

  281. jason says:

    This shutdowns could be over analyzed.

    Basically, government shutdowns for a political “cause” are a bad idea, whether its Ted Cruz grandstanding for “fiscal responsibility” or the Democrats grandstanding for DACA.

    In general, the population doesn’t like the shutdown idea, and whomever causes it is likely to blamed for it. Whatever their political leanings, most people don’t think shutting down the government is the appropriate tool to get your way politically.

    In this case, despite the MSM’s efforts to blame it on Trump, enough people understood it was really about DACA to make the Dems feel the heat.

  282. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #292- db
    If you read the write-up about how the pollster arrived at its CGB numbers, it will show all sorts of “special sauce”. John Zogby would be proud!
    One example is the pollster used a demographic of 30% Liberal and 30% Conservative. Most polls show this at Conservative by 10+%.

  283. jason says:

    Powerful quake off Alaska prompts tsunami fear for N. American west coast”

    I guess Al Gore was right, pulling out of the Paris Accords has consequences.

  284. Chicon says:

    I heard from a credible source that Robbie has been busy with emergency meetings of the Secret Society.

  285. jason says:

    Actually since Wobbie wants to overturn the results of the election he would probably be open to joining such a society.

  286. dblaikie says:

    299 I know Robbie will claim this is the only valid poll — but he is infected with idiocy. The media is desperate to keep the narrative alive that Trump is poison for the midterms and that the dems are going to sweep into the house. But since the tax cut most of these questionable polls have shown a dramatic tightening in the numbers so I knew it wouldn’t be long before a piece of trash like this would come out.

    Folks I will say this over and over again. Be cynical about any poll. And that includes those favorable to the Republicans. The only wise thing to do is to watch for trends in these little fictional pictures of the electorate. In other words if you think that polls today are based in good solid efforts to reveal an honest sample of the electorate — think again. The only real polls are the ones that we aren’t privy too.

  287. dblaikie says:

    Now having said that, I will also say that I am grateful to DW and others! Without their efforts on this site it would be very difficult to see trends.

  288. NYCmike says:

    “Who would have ever thought of doing such a thing!!??”

    jason says:
    January 23, 2018 at 9:29 am


    -Obviously, NOT jason.

  289. phoenixrisen says:

    272 – Hey ProudObamacon (Eph) – Awesome fortitude by your party in making a stand with the shutdown. I would love to be in a fox hole or trench on the battlefield in a political battle any day with one of your party’s leaders…NOT!

    LOOSAHS!!! ??

  290. NYCmike says:

    I thank Robbie for being the best fortune-teller there is……the more crazy he is, the more I am confident Republicans will do OK in November.

  291. jason says:


  292. jason says:

    You have to give Proud Obamacon a break. He really hasn’t been the same since the Berlin Wall came down.

  293. jason says:

    Wobbie is really a little small minded turd.

    The fact he wants Rs to lose the House and Senate to punish Rs for not supporting his hapless candidate really takes the cake for political pettiness.

  294. NYCmike says:

    “CG” is in the same boat, devil-face.

  295. jason says:

    a disaster at a nuclear power plant is catastrophic,”

    So is a plane crash, but most rational people understand the risks are infinitesimally small.

  296. NYCmike says:

    And then, there is MD and Author…….the A-HOLES need to answer for their lack of judgment in regards to their actions, or they will fade into obscurity like the HOBOS did, albeit for different reasons (“dust to dust” and all that…).

  297. jason says:

    Corey is a Trump hater that also has not been able to move past the primaries, but I think he has been more willing to give Trump some credit and I have not really seen him get on the midterm Armageddon wagon like Wobbie.

    I think Corey’s issues are different than Wobbie’s, he hates to be wrong and boy was he wrong.

    Basically Corey hates Trump so much he doesn’t think anything good Trump does is worth it, but at least he is willing to recognize there might be some good.

  298. NYCmike says:

    Note about Megyn Kelly – I am NOT much of a fan.

    That said, her reporting on Jane Fonda was music to the ears! Slam it to Hanoi Jane as much as possible!

  299. Bitterlaw says:

    289 I guess I need to devote more time to finding every possible book that might someday be turned into a tv show in case I ever want to watch the show.

  300. Bitterlaw says:

    I like Kelly. Her opening debate question to Trump was fair and appropriate.

  301. jason says:

    And then, there is MD and Author…….the A-HOLES need to answer for their lack of judgment in regards to their actions, or they will fade into obscurity like the HOBOS did, albeit for different reasons

    What was the lack of judgment exactly?

    GFY, the A-holes don’t have to answer to anybody, certainly not to lesser beings.

    We are united by a much higher purpose.

    Author was never an A-hole, just an a-hole, a dime a dozen around here.

    MD, as a founding father, will always be revered for his role in establishing such an august institution. Yes, he was penetrated and compromised by contaminating ideas and ideologies, an unfortunate occurrence that has made the bond between the remaining A-holes even tighter.

  302. jason says:

    I thought the Walking Dead was one of the best shows I had ever seen on TV before I knew it was based on a comic book.

    I know, I should have stopped watching then and there.

    Sue me.

  303. jason says:

    I like Kelly. Her opening debate question to Trump was fair and appropriate.”

    And his answer was neither.

    But he is President and she is making megabucks.

  304. NYCmike says:

    -Badly informed terrorists at a college near you!

  305. NYCmike says:

    “But he is President and she is making megabucks.”


    Better for the country that Trump is President instead of Hillary, and I LOVE the fact that NBC has to pay her $100 million for the ratings she is getting!

  306. NYCmike says:

    “GFY, the A-holes don’t have to answer to anybody, certainly not to lesser beings.”

    -YET, there is a comment doing what you said you don’t have to do…..the Greater Beings appreciate your response!

  307. NYCmike says:

    Has Robbie been by to explain the FBI NOT being able to find all of the texts between the 2 lovers?

    You would think that he, an “ardent supporter” of the FBI, would have a quick and easy reason for why they seem to be so inept in certain cases.

  308. Phil says:

    Robbie probably doesn’t feel the need to explain why the FBI can’t find the texts between the Secret Society love birds. He would tell you that the FBI is above any criticism or suspicion. Anyone who dares question anything regarding the FBI is just a “Trump chump”

  309. jason says:

    YET, there is a comment doing what you said you don’t have to do”

    I wish I understood English enough to understand that.

  310. Wobbles says:

    You know I schedule work between MSM hits on Trump, and things are slow so I have been working more.

    And you can concentrate on the FBI losing 5 months of emails, I am concentrating on the important things.

    Did you see what Trump tweeted about Mika’s face?

  311. Wobbles says:

    Also, I am trying to get over the report on Trump’s health, I was sure the unlicensed psychologist who diagnosed Trump over the TV was right and he would have been found incapable of serving.

  312. Wobbles says:

    I am not an ardent supporter of the FBI. Only if they are helping to overturn the results of the election.

    I was highly critical of them when they cost Hillary the election, have I told you about that?

  313. jason says:

    “Slam it to Hanoi Jane as much as possible!”

    We all know NYC is against statutory rape laws, but we didn’t know he wants open season on 80 + year old women too.

  314. NYCmike says:

    Heh! “open season”!

    Actually, just this morning, I helped a woman across the street into the bagel store, and then back across the street to her friend waiting in the car.

    The woman I helped is going to turn 91 in 3 weeks…..and the woman driving was her YOUNGER Friend…..she was ONLY 88!!!

    They have known each other since high school!

  315. Waingro says:

    Brian Stelter?Verified account @brianstelter

    Brand new CNN poll of registered voters…

    Hypothetical 2020 matchups:

    Democrat Trump
    Oprah 51% 42%
    Sanders 55% 42%
    Biden 57% 40%

  316. MichiganGuy says:

    FBI Official: FBI Agents Threatened Physical Harm to President Trump In Missing FBI Texts & Other “Frightening” Communications

    “This is much larger than just texts between two FBI agents.”

    A high-ranking FBI official confirms a number of the missing 50,000 FBI text messages — as well as other text and email messages among FBI brass — reportedly discussed initiating physical harm to President Donald Trump.

    The FBI official urged the U.S. Department of Homeland Security — which oversees the U.S. Secret Service — to launch an investigation of the Justice Department, the FBI and all text messages missing and otherwise that threatened the President.

    “This is dangerous territory and all FBI text messages and personal phones should be examined,” the official said. “It would reveal some frightening conversations.”

    Did FBI brass discuss the assassination of President Donald Trump? If not, what was the nature of the threats against the president from inside the alleged premiere law enforcement agency in the United States?

  317. MichiganGuy says:

    AMERICA FIRST: Trump Imposes 30% Tariff on Imported Solar Products and Washing Machines.

    President Donald Trump imposed steep tariffs on imported solar cells on Monday in response to a trade case brought by U.S. solar manufacturers charging that cheap imports, particularly from China, were harming domestic solar companies.