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Trump leads Gillibrand in 2020 Match Up

Public Policy Polling has come out with their latest poll for the Presidential race in 2020.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (PPP)
Joe Biden (D) 51%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

Cory Booker (D) 46%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%
Kirsten Gillibrand (D) 42%

Kamala Harris (D) 43%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%

Joe Kennedy (D) 46%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%

Bernie Sanders (D) 48%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 44%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%

Maybe it is just me, but I would have expected much worse numbers for Trump in national head-to-head match ups than the numbers above show. This poll was done February 9-11 among 687 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 12:38 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (821)

821 Responses to “Trump leads Gillibrand in 2020 Match Up”

  1. MichiganGuy says:

    First!

  2. JC says:

    Maybe it is just me, but I would have expected much worse numbers for Trump in national head-to-head match ups than the numbers above show. This poll was done February 9-11 among 687 registered voters.

    Posted by Dave at 12:38 pm
    ————————

    Tax cuts

  3. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh asked whether anybody who hit their spouse should be unemployed forever. Why ask that question?

    I am glad that Hugh would not hire such a person. As always, JC immediately looked for an exchange where he could jump in to condemn me. I love it.

  4. mnw says:

    Dave W

    Why not post the generic too? It was startling:

    GOP 39
    DEM 38

  5. mnw says:

    Generic above was from Morning Consult, not PPP

  6. NYCmike says:

    “JC….. As I’ve said before… BL loves to beat the beat the chit out of straw men. He’s undefeated against them!!”

    -Bitterlaw goes after straw men, jason chops up translations……A-Holes play dirty!

  7. mnw says:

    A Monmouth poll on PA-18 is coming tomorrow. The last “real” poll was a month ago & had the R +12.

  8. NYCmike says:

    I predict “Wobbles” will predict D O O M ! !

  9. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Given PPP’s liberal bias, would have expected worse numbers. The poll was of registered voters.

    If the bias of the polling firm is taken into account, Trump appears to be running even with all the candidates except Biden, who has a small lead.
    Bernie’s shine appears to be wearing off.

  10. BayernFan says:

    I like how the media in reporting the polls in which the GOP and Trump now lead…. they say that the GOP “makes gains” and Trump “ticks up”. Lolol

  11. BayernFan says:

    2. JC….. plus….

    Schumer shutdown
    SOTU

  12. phoenixrisen says:

    mnw, I saw that! My mouth dropped. WOW! What would I give to be a fly in the wall in the DNC war room right now. The panic has to be epic

  13. phoenixrisen says:

    Take that Politico/Morning Consult poll with a grain of salt, PID is R+3. Interesting that more people identify themselves as Republicans though.

  14. JC says:

    BayernFan says:
    February 14, 2018 at 1:30 pm
    2. JC….. plus….

    Schumer shutdown
    SOTU
    ———————

    Yeah, it really hasn’t been a good month for democrats, or our trolls at hhr.

    I’m starting to think that the tax cuts will be the GOP’s ace up their sleeves. Just imagine the kind of ads that’ll be running accusing dems of wanting to lower your paycheck by reinstating tax increases.

  15. Redmen4ever says:

    All is well. Nate Silver has adjusted Morning Insult so that instead of it showing Trump is even in job approval, he is really down 7.

    Thanks to people like Nate Silver, living in America bearable, though barely so. You only have to deal with America for brief moments, from the time the vote is tabulated until the time that it is explain that we really won the election. In between, we can be 95 percent sure that we’re ahead in the high quality, live-caller polls, with at least 50 percent connections via cell phone.

  16. SoHope says:

    Ive been impressed by this guy running for senate in WI…straight from central casting but shocked when I read this…

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/27119/parents-republican-senate-candidate-max-out-frank-camp

  17. mnw says:

    To hell with the generic.

    I wanna know the score in PA-18– that ain’t no generic.

  18. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Politico/Morning Consult poll as Trump at 47% approval, and 47% disapproval.

    The Politico article about the poll is a fun read, as they tried to downplay the results of the poll.

  19. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    According to Rasmussen, the Democratic narrative of Russian interference is not supported by the majority of likely voters.

    “A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 42% of Likely U.S. Voters believe Russia is more likely than the FBI to have meddled in the 2016 presidential race. But 34% now think the FBI is more likely to have meddled in the election, while one-in-four voters (24%) are not sure which was the bigger meddler.”

  20. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    With so many potential Democratic candidates, it is important each one show what makes them distinctive, and a reflection of our diverse culture. Elizabeth Warren has done so by emphasizing her native American background:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/14/elizabeth-warren-native-american-heritage-409245

  21. Wes says:

    Wow!

    The RRH “Republicans” are absolutely stalinesque in their reaction to any analysis not declaring the GOP is heading for a November Ragnarok.

  22. Wes says:

    If I were a Mesklinite suddenly transported to Earth and read only RRH to get a feel for the politics of this country, I’d think Republicans had only five elected officials in the country with those five soon to be swept from office.

  23. Wes says:

    I’m not sure, but I believe this is a female RRHer. She made the eeyores over their sound like the guy whose tongue the cat stole in Symphony in Slang with all their gibberish:

    HONEYBEE
    February 14, 2018 at 8:33 am
    Well then it’s a good thing the electorate in 2018 won’t be that of a special election!
    Why not throw out polls altogether and just look at the special elections? The GOP dominated special elections before 2012. The Democrats won some special elections in deep red Oklahoma seats before 2016. They’re not representative of the electorate
    Former Anti-Trump Rubio supporter in the primaries. Trump is now my favorite Republican

  24. NYCmike says:

    Damn, now Wes may figure out that I really want Heidi to be Majority Leader…….

  25. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    February 14, 2018 at 2:39 pm
    The Politico/Morning Consult poll as Trump at 47% approval, and 47% disapproval.
    The Politico article about the poll is a fun read, as they tried to downplay the results of the poll.

    – Wait a minute. I thought the HHR consensus was that Politico was a liberal rag and nothing they write can be believed?

  26. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    February 14, 2018 at 1:11 pm
    I predict “Wobbles” will predict D O O M ! !

    – And I predict you will continue to look like a fool shilling for Trump no matter what he does.

  27. Wes says:

    Essentially RRH has Kamala Harris coronated as our 46th President. She’s the Second Coming of Obama apparently.

    Never mind the significant differences between Harris and Obama as well the situations over the course of a decade.

    Your next President, people–a moonbat with no accomplishmdnts past having the immediate former President call her hot from the most dysfunctional state in the nation.

    🙄

  28. Wes says:

    Has Robbie posted a single comment not ecstatically declaring every Republican on the ballot is a guaranteed loser since JEB! went down in flames?

  29. DW says:

    Manchin didn’t get the troll memo that he’s invincible this fall:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/14/joe-manchin-trump-immigration-plan-408981

  30. Wes says:

    Robbie thought Democrats would go 34-0 in the Senate in 2016, DW. He was only off by 22 seats. He seems a bit less optimistic about a Dem sweep this time. He seems to expect the Dems to only go 29-2-2.

    That Manchin isn’t acting invincible just means he’s taking nothing for granted in ensuring his landslide reelection in the coming GOP Gotterdammerung.

  31. Todd McCain says:

    Once the WVGOP picks their candidate and assuming Trump comes out campaigning strongly with him, I suspect Manchin is going to have a very hard time.

  32. Todd McCain says:

    Pryor in Arkansas thought he was invincible too…

  33. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    February 14, 2018 at 3:03 pm
    Wow!
    The RRH “Republicans” are absolutely stalinesque in their reaction to any analysis not declaring the GOP is heading for a November Ragnarok.

    – It’s evident the Republican position has improved somewhat since bottoming out at the end of 2017, but we’re still 9 months from election day, Trump is still historically unpopular for a president just starting his second year (42% or so), and there’s still the case of special elections clearly showing Republican turnout problems in deep red areas.

    Josh Kraushaar often makes this point. Look at the actions of politicians. They often tell us more than junk public polls. And while Kevin Cramer has reconsidered running, we still have ample evidence Republicans in the House are heading for the hills, especially in suburbia. On top of that, we have actual voting in special elections for Congress and at the state level. While there are always caveats associated with special elections, the overall picture is one that repeatedly shows Republicans underperforming their past percentages.

    I’ll stick with my view that, if Trump’s approval is above 45% in the RCP average on election day, Republicans will probably hold onto the House. That said, you’re going to have to show something more than a phony Rasmussen poll or an online panel poll from Morning Consult before I conclude that what we’re seeing isn’t just a blip or noise and is real movement.

    If organizations like Gallup, ABC/WaPo, and NBC/WSJ show similar things soon, then I’ll start to rethink my prediction, but, for right now, I still see the Democrats gaining between 30 and 40 seats due to their enthusiasm edge and Trump’s low approval rating.

  34. Wes says:

    Actually Trump can be at 99% on Election Day, and you’ll still predict Dems will sweep. You haven’t made a prediction that wasn’t the absolute best case for the Dems since Trump won the primaries.

  35. Todd McCain says:

    Cramer and Scott are recruiting coups if they both jump in.

    I looooove Renacci in OH too.

    Rosendale seems promising.

  36. Trump says:

    Another school shooting. Kids dead. Just the price of freedom. I don’t care anymore.

  37. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    February 14, 2018 at 3:27 pm
    Has Robbie posted a single comment not ecstatically declaring every Republican on the ballot is a guaranteed loser since JEB! went down in flames?

    – Please, don’t lower yourself to the level of HHR’s biggest fraud, Jason. My view has nothing to do with Jeb Bush who, by the way, left the presidential race two years ago next week. Jason fraud and others like to bring him up when I post something that causes the snowflakes like him to melt, but I haven’t had a thing to say about him in two years other than he ran a God awful campaign.

    My view on Republican prospects in 2018 is simple and based on history. For good or for bad, the fate of Republicans is tied to the president who comes from their own party, Trump. If his approval rating is north or 45% or so, the crisis is probably averted. If it’s lower than 40%, as it was for much of 2017, RED ALERT. And by the way, we got a taste of what can happen in 2018 when Virginia voted in 2017 with Trump’s approval around 37%. An unlosable, gerrymandered House majority came down to a coin flip.

    By the way, still arguing for Comstock to run for Senate?

  38. Wes says:

    Let’s not forget while AL-Sen was a noteworthy loss for the GOP, it’s the only GOP seat lost to the Dems in recent special elections.

    Republicans had to actively nominate the worst available candidate, who then became mired in a sex scandal, to lose that seat by 1.5%. Trump was a nonfactor here as he endorsed Moore’s opponent and only gave a late, tepid endorsement after Moore was going belly up. Moore led despite Trump’s low approvals until the sex scandal.

    If that’s the path Dems expect to take to win Congress, then I wish them well in the dubious strategy to achieve that end.

  39. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    February 14, 2018 at 3:35 pm
    Robbie thought Democrats would go 34-0 in the Senate in 2016, DW. He was only off by 22 seats. He seems a bit less optimistic about a Dem sweep this time. He seems to expect the Dems to only go 29-2-2.

    – I’m not sure why you feel the need to lie about what I predicted in 2016, but suit yourself. I thought Trump would be an anchor around the necks of Republicans and cause them to lose 5-7 Senate seats. I was wrong.

    As it turned out, having a Hillary on the ballot, who had built up 25 years of unpopularity, greatly benefitted Trump. He was able to play off her high negatives and convince voters that she was worse than he was.

    In 2018, Hillary won’t be on the ballot, Uranium One won’t be on the ballot, the deep state won’t be on the ballot, and neither will any of the other conspiracies that Trump has tried to use to rescue himself from the various messes in which he’s found himself.

    In 2018, the election will be a referendum on Trump. Nothing else.

    And by the way, while I think Democrats are a good bet to win the House, I think Republicans still have a good chance to gain 4-5 Senate seats. I’m certainly not predicting a debacle there in 2018.

  40. Wes says:

    Actually if you were around as recently as yesterday, you’d know I don’t expect Republicans to have much success at all in Virginia before 2020 at the earliest.

    Don’t even lie and say your analysis is in any way based on history. It’s based strictly on your hatred of Trump and love of JEB!.

    Remember how excited you were in July 2016 over the DSCC poll showing Bayh up 21 points over Todd Young and how breathlessly you were telling us “Bayh is not letting up on Young” before Young won by nearly 10 points?

    You even had Richard Burr losing to moonbat Deborah Ross in this state after I told you exactly why both Trump and Burr would prevail here.

    This was all because you never got over the fact that Trump beat JEB! and obviously wanted the GOP to suffer as a result.

    Your predictions since then have been a laundry lixt of Democrat wish fulfillment even when the exact opposite of your anticipated Dem victory was the more likely scenario.

  41. Bitterlaw says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5392559/Multiple-victims-Florida-school-shooting.html

    Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Time for all the stupid comments on both sides to break out. The blood just keeps flowing.

  42. Wes says:

    Ay Dios Mio…

  43. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    February 14, 2018 at 3:44 pm
    Actually Trump can be at 99% on Election Day, and you’ll still predict Dems will sweep. You haven’t made a prediction that wasn’t the absolute best case for the Dems since Trump won the primaries.

    – Again, I don’t see why you feel the need to lie about what I believe. It’s for certain my views are not hidden. They’re on this comment section for all to see.

    You are right in one sense, though. I have not been high on Republican prospects since Trump won the nomination because I believe he is a scandal ridden, unqualified oaf who has no idea what he’s doing. More importantly though, it pains me to see formerly strong, principled conservatives and party stalwarts bend the knee to Trump and effectively embrace his actions.

    On the other hand, you spent most of 2017 proclaiming that 2018 would be a lot like 1970 even as Trump’s approval rating sunk like a rock and the party’s standing did much the same. Well, how’d that work out for Virginia Republicans?

  44. Wes says:

    I’m guessing RRH will respond to the shooting like this:

    1) This will increase calls for gun control.

    2) Democrats always win by supporting gun control.

    3) Therefore this shooting means Democrats will win in a landslide in November.

    4) No analysis saying Democrats won’t benefit from this is allowed.

  45. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    36. “If organizations like Gallup, ABC/WaPo, and NBC/WSJ show similar things soon, then I’ll start to rethink my prediction.”

    Don’t worry Robbie, I think all three polls will be as accurate in 2018 as they were in 2016.

  46. Wes says:

    A few things there, Robbie:

    1) The 2017 elections in Virginia were in 2017, not 2018. Trump did hurt the VAGOP. No question about that.

    2) All signs currently point to an election similar to 1970 this year as Trump and the national GOP are on the upswing.

    How’s that working out for you?

  47. Trump says:

    Shooter was in JROTC. Better shut down that program until we can figure out what the hell is going on.

  48. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Robbie are you still predicting the Democrats will take the Senate in 2018?

  49. DW says:

    48 – that sums it up.

  50. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    February 14, 2018 at 3:56 pm
    Actually if you were around as recently as yesterday, you’d know I don’t expect Republicans to have much success at all in Virginia before 2020 at the earliest.
    Don’t even lie and say your analysis is in any way based on history. It’s based strictly on your hatred of Trump and love of JEB!.

    – You can tell yourself whatever you want, but my prediction on Republican chances in the House in 2018 is based on Trump’s approval rating. Why? Because the president’s approval rating is the best predictor of his party’s chances in a midterm election year.

    I’m not sure why using a president’s approval rating has become so controversial here (actually I do know) since we all agreed in 2014 Obama’s low job approval standing argued for bad news for Democrats that year. Have you forgotten Sean Trende’s piece in which he tied approval rating to Senate seat gains. His analysis showed a 42% job approval rating corresponded to a 9 Senate seat gain.

    But if yelling Jeb makes you feel better, go ahead.

  51. Wes says:

    You really should create an RRH account, Robbie. With all its predictions of absolute Dem victories ad infinitum to ounish the GOP for nominating and electing Trump, that place will be nirvana to you.

  52. Wes says:

    The same guy who had an orgasm over a DSCC poll saying Evan Bayh would win by 21 is trying to convince me his analysis is in any way objective.

  53. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    February 14, 2018 at 4:08 pm
    36. “If organizations like Gallup, ABC/WaPo, and NBC/WSJ show similar things soon, then I’ll start to rethink my prediction.”
    Don’t worry Robbie, I think all three polls will be as accurate in 2018 as they were in 2016.

    – But muh Rasmussen!

    Just for fun, I’ll ask you once again. How can a robo-pollster like Rasmussen conduct a credible national poll when robo-polling is prohibited in several states? Do they just make up the data from the states where they can’t poll? Do they call Miss Cleo? Do they get the data from the deep state?

  54. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    48. Yes, and gun control would solve the problem. Look at Chicago, it has strong gun control laws, and had 650 murders in 2017.

  55. Wes says:

    How exactly was Deborah Ross going to beat Richard Burr again, Robbie? I told you she and Hillary had no appeal outside their urban moonbat base and would fail in their respective races.

    You insisted Trump couldn’t possibly carry NC and would drag Burr down with him.

    So much for time-honored, objective analysis.

  56. Hugh says:

    My niece was in class when it happened. She evacuated early. Very upsetting. It doesn’t sound good.

  57. Wes says:

    Sorry to hear that, Hugh.

  58. Wes says:

    I mean, I’m glad your niece got out. I’m sorry to hear it happened at her school.

  59. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    57. You are aware that telephone polls are unable to reach a significant percentage of voters who have private numbers and cell phones, and they often ‘adjust” the results they do obtain to reflect demographics and other factors. Telephone polling now is not reliable. At this point the track record of a poll may be the best indication of a poll’s reliability.

  60. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    February 14, 2018 at 4:09 pm
    Robbie are you still predicting the Democrats will take the Senate in 2018?

    – I love the way lies get started so easily here.

    I have not predicted the Democrats will win the Senate and find it very, very unlikely they will. If you forced me to concoct a scenario where that happens, I could do so, but that would likely involve Trump’s approval rating crashing to 30% and Republicans not winning any of the races from incumbent Democrats. Regardless of what I think of Trump, I don’t think his approval rating could ever go that low short of a recession.

    Next time, read my comments before you conjure up something I haven’t said. For instance, all you had to do was read 42 and you would have seen I think a 4-5 seat gain is a good possibility even in this environment.

  61. Bitterlaw says:

    Poster Trump begins the stupid comments.

  62. Paul says:

    Glad your niece is okay, Hugh. Prayers for everyone there. Very sad.

  63. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh- I am glad that your niece made it out. I am sorry that she will have to live with this horrible act forever.

  64. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    February 14, 2018 at 4:12 pm
    You really should create an RRH account, Robbie. With all its predictions of absolute Dem victories ad infinitum to ounish the GOP for nominating and electing Trump, that place will be nirvana to you.

    – If the data changes, I’ll change. But right now, the data still shows Trump at a historically low level for a president just starting his second year and the data also shows Republicans struggling to break the 40% mark in the RCP generic ballot average. Both of those pieces of information argue for a very, very bad year for Republicans. But again, if the data changes, my view will change.

  65. Mr.Vito says:

    “Poster Trump begins the stupid comments.”

    That’s the handle stealer Paul.

  66. Mr.Vito says:

    “That’s the handle stealer Paul.”

    And, voila…

  67. Hugh says:

    I think it happened in the freshman building and she’s a senior. Her and her friends are all ok. It definitely feels different when close to home.

  68. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    February 14, 2018 at 4:14 pm
    The same guy who had an orgasm over a DSCC poll saying Evan Bayh would win by 21 is trying to convince me his analysis is in any way objective.

    – And you’re the same guy who spent most of 2017 arguing that Barbara Comstock should throw away her career and run for a Senate seat that is unwinnable in 2018.

  69. Hugh says:

    I appreciate the kind words

  70. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    February 14, 2018 at 4:18 pm
    How exactly was Deborah Ross going to beat Richard Burr again, Robbie? I told you she and Hillary had no appeal outside their urban moonbat base and would fail in their respective races.
    You insisted Trump couldn’t possibly carry NC and would drag Burr down with him.
    So much for time-honored, objective analysis.

    – I was wrong. Unlike the vast majority of keyboard warriors here, I have always been willing to admit I got 2016 wrong.

  71. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    February 14, 2018 at 4:21 pm
    57. You are aware that telephone polls are unable to reach a significant percentage of voters who have private numbers and cell phones, and they often ‘adjust” the results they do obtain to reflect demographics and other factors. Telephone polling now is not reliable. At this point the track record of a poll may be the best indication of a poll’s reliability.

    – LOL. I bet all of the campaigns that pay top dollar for high quality polling will be surprised to know they’re getting ripped off.

    Still, I admire your effort. Rather than address the fact Rasmussen doesn’t even poll all fifty states for it’s “national” poll, you just claim all polling sucks so no biggie.

  72. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Rasmussen was one of the most accurate polls in 2016

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/rasmussen_reports_calls_it_right

    Rasmussen recently had Trump’s popularity above Obama for a same time period.

    “President Donald Trump’s approval rating is now higher than former President Barack Obama’s on the same date of his first term, Rasmussen Reports daily tracking data shows.
    In its presidential daily tracking poll released Thursday, the Rasmussen Reports showed Trump’s approval at 48 percent, statistically tied with his disapproval rating of 50 percent.
    Obama’s approval was 46 percent Feb. 8, 2010, and his disapproval was at 54 percent.”

  73. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Robbie, before you get to critical of Rasmussen; lets not forget your predictions on election night in 2016 based your favor polls.

    ________________

    November 8, 2016 at 6:06 pm
    Give me a break.
    I’m totally disappointed Clinton’s going to win and more than a few good Republicans are going to lose because of it.
    I’m even more depressed that we have to wait another four years to try and fix this. Of course, if we nominate Cruz, then we’ll have to wait until 2024.
    I’m celebrating nothing. I’m pissed.
    __________
    I’m not sure if they have any state specific data, but Mark Halperin and John Heilemann both just suggested Democrats could sweep most of the Senate races. Earlier this evening, they didn’t offer that impression.

    __________________
    Robbie says:
    November 8, 2016 at 7:17 pm
    Lord Ashcroft has the exits posted on his twitter. Basically, they show an easy Clinton win, but not a landslide.
    Robbie says:
    November 8, 2016 at 7:40 pm
    Look like a rough night, but we all knew that once Trump became the nominee.
    Robbie says:
    November 8, 2016 at 8:12 pm
    Plenty of speculation that Blount is in big trouble.

  74. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    A poster made this comment a while back; it happened again:

    “Anyone ever notice on each thread Robbie and poster Trump either are both absent together or both always show up together.

    Got to be the same person. Never see one without the other.”

  75. Paul says:

    Robbie doesn’t get credit for the occasional crazy Trump.

  76. Paul says:

    Has the real Trump (aka Soccer Guru) been absent for awhile?

  77. DW says:

    Sounds like up to seven dead in the shooting. Back when I was in school if someone wanted to off themselves they got a rope and went out to the barn. Times have changed.

  78. NYCmike says:

    “Trump says:
    February 14, 2018 at 3:46 pm

    Another school shooting. Kids dead. Just the price of freedom. I don’t care anymore.”

    -I’ll have to double-check, but MD wrote something similar on his Twitter feed the last time a shooting occurred.

  79. NYCmike says:

    “– I was wrong. Unlike the vast majority of keyboard warriors here, I have always been willing to admit I got 2016 wrong.”

    -The fact that lisab and several others occasionally re-post your ridiculous comments help make sure you remain honest about your horrible call, which was mainly due to the fact that you still can’t get over the JEB!2016 loss to a political neophyte and conman/circus act.

  80. DW says:

    Drudge reports a backlash against Shaun White for briefly allowing the US Flag to touch the snow-covered ground.

    People need to get a grip. The guy just won his third gold medal, is thrilled, and is handed a flag, so he stops his celebration, unfolds the flag so it can fly free and he waves it high above his head. Then as he maneuvers off the finish area of the course, he is juggling things and still holding the flag with one hand and doesn’t realize a third of the flag is touching the ground behind him.

    Some people have too much time on their hands.

  81. CG says:

    Just wait until Shaun White says something negative about Trump.

    Then, he can be legitimately treasonous in the eyes of many.

  82. DW says:

    I don’t know the politics of Shaun White. All I know about it is what is shown in the video clip, and he did not disrespect the flag. He actually took the time to fully unfold it, so he could wave it high over his head.

  83. NYCmike says:

    “in the eyes of many.”

    -“CG”, the voice “of many”!

  84. CG says:

    I haven’t seen the clip, but yeah, I agree, nothing disrespectful or un-American about that, nor would there be if he criticizes (or praises) Donald Trump as he sees fit, and the same goes for any gay figure skater or whatnot.

  85. Bitterlaw says:

    Is it really impossible to try to stop mass shootings? Is there no common ground between the seize all guns and the arm everybody groups.

  86. CG says:

    10 years ago today was the shooting at my alma mater. The deaths at today’s school shooting will be even higher. Horrible tragedy.

    I am also thinking a lot about the Chicago Police Commander ( a very high ranking position) who was shot and killed yesterday in Downtown Chicago, while off-duty and trying to assist other police officers, at the Thompson Center of all places, in the middle of the day, by a four time felon. A four time felon who was allowed to roam freely.

    RIP Commander Paul Bauer. A horrible tragedy for his family and the entire Chicago Police Department. I have a relative who happens to be the Commander of a neighboring district, and until the name was released yesterday, my family was pretty concerned it could have been him.

  87. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    90. “Is it really impossible to try to stop mass shootings? Is there no common ground between the seize all guns and the arm everybody groups.”

    I don’t think there is an answer from either extreme, or even in the middle. What you have is a societal breakdown. Australia used to be cited as an example of effective gun confiscation. Yet illegal guns are a problem:

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/australia-sees-spike-in-gun-crime-despite-outright-ban/
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-

    Now many urban areas are in the middle of an urban crime wave:

    5239163/African-lawyer-slams-scaremongering-Melbourne-gang-crime.html

    I live near Mexico, it bans guns and yet has one of the worst murder rates in the world. In the U.S., gangs and narcotics issues are the cause of the overwhelming majority of gun crimes. But we are now seeing people in small towns go off in many places.

  88. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5239163/African-lawyer-slams-scaremongering-Melbourne-gang-crime.html

    I made the mistake of typing text in that separated a link into two parts.

  89. NYCmike says:

    “Is it really impossible to try to stop mass shootings? Is there no common ground between the seize all guns and the arm everybody groups.”

    -Bitterlaw,

    Guns are the weapon of choice.

    Personally, I believe parents need to be more engaged with their children, and the ability for kids to disengage with society thru modern means (phones, gaming devices, headphones, etc) needs to be severely limited. Kids are alone way too much, and the ones who are a little odd just get pushed further and further to the edges.

    Just a month ago, on the return from a scout troop to Annapolis, a parent took me aside with an issue about how I confiscated her son’s phone.

    I politely told her, next time, please send his father on the trip as well, so that the son’s listening skills could be “appreciated” by both of us.

    Thankfully, she backed off, and allowed that her son may NOT be perfect.

  90. NYCmike says:

    Also, neighbors have a responsibility to police their own neighborhood. The police can’t be everywhere.

  91. NYCmike says:

    Terrible losses, both for the children and for the policeman who lost his life.

  92. Hugh says:

    In the old days we institutionalized people with mental illness issues and I am betting this kid has a rap sheet with police but was treated with kid gloves. Sometimes the parents are horrible and sometimes the tools to discipline are gone. Same with the schools. Most social norms are ridiculed. It’s onlyngoing to get worse. But thank goodness there is no prayer on school grounds even if voluntary.

  93. Tina says:

    The jebots must be implod8ng since we now have the lead in the comgressional generic.

    Phuq you jebot losahs.

  94. CG says:

    Here’s a story about the Police Commander who was murdered yesterday in Chicago:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-officer-bio-paul-bauer-20180213-story.html

  95. Bitterlaw says:

    Guns are the weapon of choice.

    Most choices don’t kill and maim so well.

  96. jason says:

    Yep, let’s penalize tens of millions of responsible gun owners who follow all gun laws so the people who don’t obey gun laws will be the only ones to have guns.

    Brilliant!

  97. jason says:

    So far I have not seen ONE mass shooting where ANY of the measures proposed by the gun snatchers would have avoided.

  98. jason says:

    “Is it really impossible to try to stop mass shootings? Is there no common ground between the seize all guns and the arm everybody groups.”

    No. There is no common ground because the left is not really interested in common ground.

    Show me ANY politician who says “I favor common sense gun control” and I bet its someone who doesn’t believe in the second amendment.

  99. mnw says:

    Manchin supporting Trump on Immigration is actually important. The Collins bill was very close to 60 votes this afternoon.

  100. mnw says:

    jason 103

    “… the people who don’t obey gun laws will be the only ones to have guns.”

    Not so.

    “the people who don’t obey gun laws… and the govt.”

  101. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – I don’t trust politicians to come up with a solution. I would like to think real people might be able to discuss it.

  102. jason says:

    There is no “solution”, because the “solution” is always the same, criminalize legitimate and law abiding gun owners. Criminals and nutcases and terrorists will always have access to guns because they don’t obey gun laws.

    So all “gun control” as proposed by the Democrats is going to do is penalize law abiding citizens, and do nothing to keep guns from criminals, nutcases and terrorists.

  103. jason says:

    ’m not sure if they have any state specific data, but Mark Halperin and John Heilemann both just suggested Democrats could sweep most of the Senate races.”

    LOL, Wobbie loves to quote leftwing MSM hacks.

  104. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – You refuse to accept that maybe 1 person out of 300 million might have an idea separate from the talking points of left and right? Ok.

    The carnage will continue. Neither the Left nor Right have answers.

  105. mnw says:

    As of this date, I would say it’s more likely that the GOP will “sweep most Senate races.”

    But yes, the DEMs could sweep.

    We don’t even know who the GOP nominee will be in IN or MT, which are two key contests.

  106. jason says:

    Jason – You refuse to accept that maybe 1 person out of 300 million might have an idea separate from the talking points of left and right? Ok.”

    Zzzzz…. false equivalencies.

    We have a Second Amendment, did you forget?

    That is not a “talking point”.

    GFY.

  107. jason says:

    The carnage will continue. Neither the Left nor Right have answers.”

    Wrong.

    We have plenty of gun laws on the books, we can enforce them.

    I have owned guns for decades, I obey all the gun laws.

    If you want to compare me to people who don’t obey them, as if we are “equal” GFY again.

  108. mnw says:

    I forgot WI, which I believe is the GOP sleeper pickup opportunity. There is a seriously contested GOP primary there, which I had forgotten.

  109. mnw says:

    I think “common sense gun control” discussions usually collapse about the time when someone suggests, “How about involuntary commitment of the dangerously crazies, like we used to?”

  110. Bitterlaw says:

    I just made a quick survey of Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN. I could have just watched old coverage of the opinions expressed after Columbine, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, Orlando, or any other mass shooting. The scripts are always the same. Not a single original thought from any side in decades.

    Oh well. There will be more shootings.

  111. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The technology to produce guns using 3D printers exists, and will allow criminals to circumvent gun control laws.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwb0xGut21Q

  112. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – Own as many guns as you want. It won’t change anything. I never proposed any reduction in guns. I never have. I just lie to myself and pretend my children will be safe.

    GFY.

  113. jason says:

    Not a single original thought from any side in decades.”

    Right, we have tens of millions of responsible gun owners.

    And we have a few nuts, terrorists, and criminals.

    Those are the “two sides”.

    Bitter thinks they are morally equivalent.

  114. Hugh says:

    117. Sadly true. We just found out one of my nieces friends was killed. Our family is heartbroken. Not a clue how to fix this and am pretty sure there is no fix.

  115. Bitterlaw says:

    Show me where I said they were morally equivalent. I did not. GFY.

    There are two sides. Both are irrelevant since the killings will never stop.

  116. jason says:

    Jason – Own as many guns as you want”

    Wow, thanks man, you are really generous with constitutional rights.

    Frankly, its comments like yours that ensure gun owners and defenders of the 2nd amendment will NEVER trust the “something must be done” crowd.

    We understand what it means.

  117. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    117. Agree with Bitter that its time for new ideas; here are some regarding schools.

    At this point, the best strategy might be to, in effect, fortify schools. New technology would be important — sensors that detect guns and weapons when an individual enters school grounds, and before they are at a door. Secure doors on classrooms and other rooms that in “lock down situation” would lock shut. Hallway security systems that can counter an attacker with laser or other technology.

    Although some teachers might be willing to carry guns; probably most teachers would be more comfortable with a weapon, such as a teaser or stun gun, that does not cause a mortal wound.

  118. Tina says:

    The ,last text from mistress to pete the cheat

    Please don’t ever text me any more”.

  119. jason says:

    There are two sides”

    Translation: the 37% of Americans (Pew) or 43% (Gallup) that own guns and don’t do mass shootings should be criminalized because Bitter thinks we are the same as the “other side”

    GFY again.

  120. jason says:

    Agree with Bitter that its time for new ideas;”

    He has no new ideas.

    His idea is the same its always been. Blame law abiding citizens.

  121. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh – I am truly sorry for your niece and those killed or injured.

    It is too easy for me to imagine this horror since my daughter and her friends are the same age as some victims.

  122. Hugh says:

    I blame social media and it’s impact on people for many of these issues.

  123. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    127. “His idea is the same its always been. Blame law abiding citizens.”

    Jason, I am a gun owner (enjoying shooting my AR-15 in Utah with friends) and 2nd Amendment advocate. With 3D printers and ghost guns there is no way the government can stop criminals from having guns, and to me it would be criminal to attempt to disarm law abiding citizens.

    However, believe we are going to have to do innovative things involving advanced technologies to protect schools and other vulnerable places.

  124. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – You are a liar. Where did I blame law abiding citizens? When did I propose taking a single gun from law abiding citizens? Find the post or STFU. At least I admit I do not have an answer. I think there should be armed guards at schools but at best that keeps the body count down unless the guard is lucky and gets the shooter before anybody is shot. 1-5 dead is better than 17 dead unless you or your family member is in the 1-5 group.

    Your answer? You own guns so all is well. Somehow, that does not make me feel safer.

  125. mnw says:

    The most terrifying possibility I can imagine is where our govt has a monopoly on lethal force.

    Think about that: Zero; HRC; Kamala.

    I think an armed citizenry is a useful counterpoint to… wherever those kind souls intend to take us.

  126. Bitterlaw says:

    Stupid Jason – When I said there are 2 sides, I meant the “seize all gun” and “no restrictions on guns” sides.

    Jason lies and pretends that the 2 sides were legal gun owners and criminal gun owners. I never said that. He knows it but won’t admit it now.

  127. mnw says:

    Gerald Lochner (appx), the man who shot Gabby Giffords?

    Every person in America could look at him for 15 seconds and tell he was a lunatic.

    Why do these “common sense” discussions never start with locking obvious lunatics up? We used to.

  128. Marco Rubio says:

    Fwiends,

    I thupport and will protect the thecond amendment and will uphold the Conthitution!

    Please reserve judgment in the great thate of Florida.

  129. jason says:

    Stupid Jason”

    Like I said, we will never trust people that think there is a moral equivalency between law abiding gun owners and “the other side”.

  130. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw – Lock them up. Senator Toomey proposed denying gun licenses to mentally ill people. He was excoriated by those who feared liberal psychiatrists would just start diagnosing people to stop them from owning guns.

  131. jason says:

    hy do these “common sense” discussions never start with locking obvious lunatics up? We used to.”

    Because that is not part of the gun snatching agenda.

    These people don’t want any “common sense” measures.

    These are all or nothing second amendment haters that want to do away with it.

    Nothing else will suffice.

  132. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason still can’t produce a single post where I said there was moral equivalency. He also won’t admit that I did not define the sides the way he claims.

    He can resume his lies when we have another mass shooting. There will be one or two or ten. It is certain.

  133. Tina says:

    Jebots, schiff for brains has attacked the fbi.

    Lhttps://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/14/democrat-russia-memo-demands-407926

  134. jason says:

    Your answer? You own guns so all is well. Somehow, that does not make me feel safer.”

    Yeah, you are going to feel a lot safer in a society where only criminals, nutcases and terrorists have guns.

    Good luck.

  135. lisab says:

    I meant the “seize all gun” and “no restrictions on guns” sides.
    —————————————
    more correctly it would be:

    the “seize all gun” and “no MORE restrictions on guns” sides.

    because there are already a significant number of restrictions on guns

  136. mnw says:

    criminals nuts terrorists … and the govt which always watches over us & looks after us!

  137. lisab says:

    Although some teachers might be willing to carry guns; probably most teachers would be more comfortable with a weapon, such as a teaser or stun gun
    ————————————–

    i would say that is a very bad idea

  138. jason says:

    Jason still can’t produce a single post where I said there was moral equivalency.”

    Sure I can. Clear as day. Several of them. They all mean the same thing.

    he carnage will continue. Neither the Left nor Right have answers.”

    Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Time for all the stupid comments on both sides to break out. The blood just keeps flowing.”

    The “right” is law abiding gun owners.

    The “one side” of both sides is law abiding gun owners.

    Why don’t you man up and say what you want to say instead of all this beating around the bush.

  139. jason says:

    because there are already a significant number of restrictions on guns”

    Yep, but Bitter thinks more restrictions are going “solve the problem”.

    He thinks criminals, nutcases and terrorists will abide by “restrictions”.

    Those are his “new ideas”.

  140. Bitterlaw says:

    Yep, but Bitter thinks more restrictions are going “solve the problem”.

    He thinks criminals, nutcases and terrorists will abide by “restrictions”.

    Those are his “new ideas”.

    You are a liar. Absolute and total liar. I said none of those things.

  141. jason says:

    You own guns”

    Translation: You are the root of the problem.

    Gabby Giffords could not have said it better.

    Bitter calls me a liar because I know exactly what he means.

    At least I have the guts to say what I think instead of pretending to be above the fray so I can criticize “both sides”.

  142. Bitterlaw says:

    Why don’t you man up and say what I lied about and pretended you want to say instead of all this beating around the bush.

    I fixed it for Jason.

  143. jason says:

    Bitter and I actually have a truce where we don’t attack each other on gun ownership. I have respected it for years, but I don’t appreciate false moral equivalencies.

  144. Bitterlaw says:

    You own guns”
    Translation: You are the root of the problem.

    Jason – Own as many guns as you want. It won’t change anything. I never proposed any reduction in guns. I never have.

    Bitter calls me a liar because I know exactly what he means.

    No. I called you a liar because you are lying.

  145. Tgca says:

    I heard Bitter once told a girl in high school he loved her so she would go a bit further. We know that was a lie!!! So unethical.

    Bitter lied and a girl cried. Shame!!!

  146. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t appreciate false moral equivalencies.

    I don’t appreciate being accused of making false moral equivalencies that I never made.

    GFY. Cream soda.

  147. mnw says:

    I could support enhanced security at schools. Metal detectors for students. The Israelis have learned to live with such inconveniences.

  148. mnw says:

    I have kids in HS. I worry.

  149. jason says:

    You refuse to accept that maybe 1 person out of 300 million might have an idea separate from the talking points of left and right? Ok.”

    I bet my bottom dollar the “idea” involves blaming law abiding gun owners.

    I am psychic.

    Plus I have seen this movie hundreds of times before.

  150. Marco Rubio says:

    Fwiends,

    It’s terrible. I offer my condolenthes, thoughts, and prayers. But remember now is not the time to pass judgment on Florida. Thank you for your thupport!

  151. jason says:

    “No. I called you a liar because you are lying.”

    Nah, its a childish reaction to the fact I called you on all your codes for attacking law abiding gun owners.

    I knew exactly what you meant.

  152. jason says:

    Hey Marco, GFY.

  153. Bitterlaw says:

    I told you to own as many guns as you want and I did not propose reducing gun ownership.

    Your code breaking skills suck.

  154. Bitterlaw says:

    Why am I spending Valentine’s Day arguing with Jason?

    Oh. I’m married.

  155. jason says:

    So Bitter, explain again how the 2nd Amendment is a “talking point”?

  156. jason says:

    It’s ok Bitter, if you want to blame gun owners like for mass shootings go right ahead. But be honest about it. No codes.

  157. Bitterlaw says:

    I NEVER BLAMED LEGAL GUN OWNERS FOR MASS SHOOTINGS OR ANY ILLEGAL SHOOTINGS. EVER.

  158. Bitterlaw says:

    I honestly thought you were too smart to have to lie.

    Sue me.

  159. Tgca says:

    I’m spending my VD with two lovely B*tches.

    TGCA is da man!

  160. Bitterlaw says:

    TGCA is with 2 bitches? That is about as pointless as me sitting down to dinner and seeing salad and a glass of
    wine on the table.

  161. lisab says:

    salad an wine … sounds like a great dinner

    add some french bread and cheese …

  162. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    144. “Although some teachers might be willing to carry guns; probably most teachers would be more comfortable with a weapon, such as a teaser or stun gun
    ————————————–
    i would say that is a very bad idea”

    Lisab, if someone was going to attack your students, wouldn’t you want to act in their defense? Throwing an erasure is not going to cut it.

  163. Mr.Vito says:

    “I’m spending my VD with two lovely B*tches.”

    spending or spreading?

  164. lisab says:

    if someone was going to attack your students, wouldn’t you want to act in their defense?
    ————————————–

    a.) i don’t know if you have seen the video from inside the school, but the gunshots are pretty loud and scary … i do not have confidence that i could effectively face down a gunman with an ar-15 with a tazer

    b.) if i had a gun, presumably it would mean there is a loaded gun in an elementary school at all times — and most likely several even many — most teachers i know cannot use minecraft or classdojo, i am not comfortable with minimally trained teachers walking around armed

    c.) a 9mm bullet will go right through doors and even walls, a fire fight in a school is not a good thing.

  165. lisab says:

    oh … both russian and both chinese teams screwed up and the german team squeaked through and won ice dancing

  166. Paul says:

    HHR family have faithfully vindicated Bitterlaw’s initial comment.

  167. jason says:

    i am not comfortable with minimally trained teachers walking around armed”

    I could teach a teacher to shoot in about 10 minutes….. its not rocket science.

  168. jason says:

    Paul admits to making stupid comments.

    Honesty is the best medicine.

  169. Paul says:

    So today’s shooter was a former JROTC member and a law-abiding gun holder.

  170. Paul says:

    I think in any profession, there is a percentage that know that they are not stable enough to be armed. Forcing every teacher to be armed would be just asking for more shootings.

  171. lisab says:

    if the average elementary school teacher was a former marine, i’d say, “sure … good plan”

    the average elementary school teacher is an british literature major … with a minor in urban studies

  172. lisab says:

    not a lot of live fire training in education colleges

  173. lisab says:

    plus where would the guns be? would teachers be carrying them around? students grab my clothes 100 times a day …

    worse, a terrorist could just walk into a schho unarmed, grab a teacher, take their gun and start shooting children

  174. Paul says:

    Gun-free zones don’t apply to police or security guards if the school’s choose to have them armed. At least that is true in Illinois.

  175. Paul says:

    Each high school and middle school in my town has a full-time detective, an armed School Resource Officer. Besides security, they also build positive relationships with the students which helps both the schools and police department.

    I assume there was an armed officer at the school in Florida. However, stopping an active shooter in a big school campus may still be pretty impossible.

  176. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    171. a.) i don’t know if you have seen the video from inside the school, but the gunshots are pretty loud and scary … i do not have confidence that i could effectively face down a gunman with an ar-15 with a tazer

    b.) if i had a gun, presumably it would mean there is a loaded gun in an elementary school at all times — and most likely several even many — most teachers i know cannot use minecraft or classdojo, i am not comfortable with minimally trained teachers walking around armed

    c.) a 9mm bullet will go right through doors and even walls, a fire fight in a school is not a good thing.

    I come from a different culture; there are 663,000 concealed carry permit holders in Utah.
    There is a good probability that most schools have at least one present.

    If teachers were allowed to have guns, tasers or other devices, it would be a totally volunteer program. No one would be forced to be armed with a gun or taser. There would have to be sufficient training. If its guns it would likely be something like 10-12 hours, including significant time at a gun range. There might be testing also, and certification. Obviously also a mental evaluation.

    In California, nothing scares me more than when someone tells me they want a concealed weapons permit, and they have no gun training, and have not even been to a shooting range. There is a law sponsored by my state assembly member to require any concealed carry holder in California to have at least 8 hours training, including gun range time. The NRA is unhappy; I think it makes some sense — I would exempt those who have military or other comparable gun experience.

    A fire fight in a schools may not be a good thing, but an unchallenged shooter is even worse. But the challenge has to be by someone property trained and willing to take the risk.

    Even the potential presence of an armed individual may be a deterrent to anything happening. Some past shooters seem to have purposely gone to places that were “gun free” zones. The one at the Colorado theater traveled past some theaters closer to where he lived to a theater that expressly stated it was a gun free zone.

  177. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    185. “purportedly” in place of “purposely.”

  178. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    One of the most effective police responses to a mass shooting took place in Utah in 2007 at the Trolley Square Shopping Mall in Salt Lake City. The 911 call was made at 6:44 p.m., the police killed the shooter at 6:50 p.m. There was also an off-duty police officer and concealed carry civilian who pinned down the shooter.

    “SALT LAKE CITY – Police response to a deadly shooting spree in a shopping mall is being called “textbook” and will be used as a case study by other police departments.

    Utah law enforcement officials credit post-Columbine training and the state’s advanced cross-agency communications system for stopping the rampage quickly.

    Stu Smith, director of the Utah Crime Lab, said the damage could have been “10 times worse” without the swift action.

    “God help everybody if (the shooter) had another 15 or 20 minutes to have free rein inside that mall,” Smith said.

    Instead, Sulejman Talovic, 18, had about seven minutes, during which he killed five people and wounded four with a 12-gauge shotgun. The first 911 call was reported at 6:44 p.m. and Talovic was cornered and killed by four Salt Lake City officers and an off-duty Ogden officer by 6:50 p.m., police said.

    Smith said the crime scene was the most “overwhelming” he’d seen in three decades with the crime lab. He said 96 bullet fragments were recovered from a store where Talovic was killed. Smith’s team worked through Monday night, noting where bullets had ripped through walls and ricocheted off floors.

    Post-Columbine police training focuses on quick, tactical response, where small teams “go to the gunshots” instead of plotting the perimeter and waiting until the shooting is over.

    “They did a terrific job,” said Patrick Kiernan, spokesman for the Salt Lake City FBI. “These guys really put their lives on the line.”

    Salt Lake City police Lt. Tim Doubt said one of the post-Columbine training simulations included “a shooter in the mall.”

    “In these types of situations, time is not on your side – it’s your enemy,” said Doubt, who helped conduct the mall simulation as a SWAT commander. “They’re trained to ask the question: ‘Is someone dying right now?’ If the answer is yes, they go in.”

    As the officers who responded to the initial call searched for the shooter inside, an army of support amassed outside.

    In a flash, Trolley Square was surrounded by more than 200 police personnel from throughout the Salt Lake valley, 100 firefighters, a host of medical experts and the state crime lab. Highway Patrol units shut off the mall’s perimeter and a state helicopter spotlighted the mall and the surrounding neighborhood.”

    Unfortunately, the lesson from Trolley Barn Square did not make it to Orlando.

  179. MichiganGuy says:

    Tennessee Senate – Republican Primary:
    .
    Marsha Blackburn 49% (+23)
    Bob Corker 26%
    Stephen Fincher 9%
    .
    Victory Phones/SCF poll 2/12-13
    .
    http://bit.ly/2ssZwKl #TNsen

  180. MichiganGuy says:

    Florida HD-72: Democrat Margaret Good defeated Republican James Buchanan by a 52-45 margin. Libertarian Alison Foxall took the remaining 3 percent. This seat went 51-46 for Trump in 2016 and 51-48 for Romney in 2012.
    .

    Georgia HD-175: This was an easy hold for the Republicans; Republican John LaHood won with 71 percent of the vote, while Democrat Treva Gear came in second with 24 percent. The other two Republicans on the ballot split the remainder. This seat went 61-37 for Trump and 66-33 for Romney.
    .

    Oklahoma SD-27: This was also a Republican hold, Casey Murdock defeated Democrat Amber Jensen by a 68-32 margin. This seat went 84-11 for Trump and 85-15 for Romney.

  181. MichiganGuy says:

    Democrat Kevin de León boosted by back-to-back union endorsements in Senate bid against Sen. Dianne Feinstein.
    .
    California Senate leader Kevin de León received a significant boost in his bid to defeat U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Tuesday, winning the endorsement of one of the state’s most politically powerful labor unions.
    .
    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-seiu-endorsements-kevin-de-leon-senate-20180214-story.html
    —————————————————————————————————————
    Oh well, if Republicans can’t win at least we get to watch the dems spending millions fighting each other.

  182. MichiganGuy says:

    Former White House chief of staff Reince Priebus warned President Donald Trump that letting Attorney General Jeff Sessions resign would cause a “spiral of calamity” worse than the backlash to his abrupt termination of FBI Director James Comey, according to an upcoming book.

    Vanity Fair on Wednesday published an excerpt of “The Gatekeepers: How the White House Chiefs of Staff Define Every Presidency,” by Chris Whipple, based on an interview where Priebus described the aftermath of Comey’s abrupt firing in May 2017.

    After Trump terminated Comey, the Justice Department appointed Robert Mueller to oversee the federal investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. According to reports, Trump blamed Mueller’s appointment on Sessions, who had recused himself from the probe months earlier, and lashed out at him.

    White House counsel Don McGahn came in to Priebus’ office “pretty hot, red, out of breath,” according to the excerpt, and told the then-chief of staff, “We’ve got a problem.”

    According to Priebus, McGahn told him that Sessions had “just resigned.”

    “What? What the hell are you talking about?” Priebus said, according to the excerpt. “And I said, ‘That can’t happen.’”

    Priebus said that he chased after Sessions into the parking lot, where he found Sessions in a car about to leave.

    “I knocked on the door of the car and Jeff was sitting there and I just jumped in and shut the door and I said, ‘Jeff, what’s going on?’” Priebus said.

    When Sessions told Priebus that he planned to resign, Priebus replied, “You cannot resign. It’s not possible,” according to the report.

    “We are going to talk about this right now,” Priebus said he told Sessions.

    According to Priebus, he “dragged” Sessions back to his office and — with help from Vice President Mike Pence and then-White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, since ousted — convinced Sessions to reconsider. Sessions nevertheless delivered a resignation letter to the Oval Office that night, according to the excerpt, but Priebus claimed he “persuaded the President to give it back.”

    Vanity Fair reported, citing an unnamed White House insider, that Priebus stepped in a month later to keep Trump from demanding Sessions’ resignation.

    “He told the president, ‘If I get this resignation, you are in for a spiral of calamity that makes Comey look like a picnic,’” the source told Vanity Fair.

    Priebus warned Trump that if he forced Sessions out, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein would also resign, and then-associate attorney general Rachel Brand — who resigned last week — would say, “Forget it. I’m not going to be involved with this,” according to Vanity Fair.

    According to the report, Priebus succeeded in convincing Trump not to oust his attorney general.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/priebus-warning-trump-of-sessions-almost-resigning

  183. DW says:

    Cramer formally launching bid in Bismark on Friday.

  184. JeffP says:

    Some of this craziness in the Trump administration last year doesn’t surprise me at all. i do have a concern about Trump not addressing situations like Moore and Porter properly. Could be Achilles heel.

  185. JeffP says:

    Dems lead with voter intensity and that will impact house…GOP better work in GOTV.

  186. jason says:

    Paul says:
    February 15, 2018 at 12:19 am

    So today’s shooter was a former JROTC member and a law-abiding gun holder.”

    The shooter was a registered Democrat. What do you propose to do Paul?

  187. Phil says:

    Oh goodie. Now we can all look forward to a nightly lecture from Jimmy Kimmel on the horrors of guns and the millions of evil rubes who own them. Wonderful.

  188. JeffP says:

    197 I miss…. herrrrres Johnny! Great times. Those days were better.

  189. DW says:

    198 – talk about the easiest job in the world. Just say ‘Herrrrrree’s Johnny’ every night and then sit there and laugh at his jokes.

  190. Tina says:

    The concern is with the fbi. Being so weaponized and politicized by the drat admin, makes them look silky. Drudge indicates that the fbi was warned last year about the shooter. A you tube video.

  191. DW says:

    201 – Maybe the Obama-FBI too busy trying to take down political enemies to do their jobs protecting us from truly evil people.

  192. Tina says:

    Notice dw, the one offs with the jihadis and the schol shootings.

    Fbi is often told but does nothing

  193. Bitterlaw says:

    There were good and bad things in the past. The 1970s generally sucked. Of course, I was in elementary school so my view may be skewed.

  194. Tina says:

    And it did not start with comedy. You can go back as far as mulehead.

  195. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    191. In the Vanity Fair article, there was a quote from Preibus praising Trump:

    “[Trump] is a man who fears no one and nothing,” continued Priebus, “and there is absolutely nothing he’s intimidated by. . . . And that’s very rare in politics. Most people in politics are people who have sort of an approval addiction. Now, granted, President Trump does too, but he’s willing to weather one storm after the next to get to an end result that most people are not willing to weather. . . . He doesn’t mind the craziness, the drama, or the difficulty, as long as an end goal is in sight. He will endure it.”

  196. Bitterlaw says:

    The victims so far:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200220844.html

    I don’t know why the shooter was allowed to live. The cops are better people than I am.

  197. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Republican Saccone up 3-5 points in PA Congressional race.
    https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_PA_021518/

  198. mnw says:

    The GOP has a ground game there this time, and a FR advantage overall. GOTV usually depends on boots on the ground.

    Per poll, the bigger the turnout, the better the R does.

    Trump going there next week.

  199. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    208. “Republican Saccone up 3-5 points in PA Congressional race. https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_PA_021518/

    From the link:

    “Saccone holds a 49% to 46% edge over Democrat Conor Lamb in the race to fill the open House seat on March 13, using a turnout model similar to voting patterns seen in other special elections over the past year.”

    It is amazing how much mathematical models are being used to predict the future. They have in a way become substitutes for reality. Its one of the questionable side effects of the tech revolution. Below is quote from someone who questions models:

    “If you decide to average the past, and hope that the future will follow the trend of the past, it is faster and cheaper to use a straight edge, a pencil, and a bit of commonsense.
    The Wright brothers, Lilienthal and all the rest, managed without computers. Man flew. Thought, pencil and paper, and experimentation, often produce superior results to blind faith in digital computers, and all the too-easily generated nonsense they can generate.”

  200. mnw says:

    SDC

    For once, the comments at RRH are useful.

    As I read the Monmouth poll, the 3-pt lead (Saccone’s worst showing) is based on earlier special election-type turnout.

    I’m not clear if they’re even talking about federal special elections only, or are they considering all the state specials?

    I’m hopeful that as the eyes of the political nation turn on PA-18, the publicity will drive turnout UP, as it did when Handel won in GA.

    (I did say “hope.”)

  201. mnw says:

    Also, Monmouth has the DEM winning 65+, while the R wins the millennial.

    Something screwy there.

  202. NYCmike says:

    “He doesn’t mind the craziness, the drama, or the difficulty, as long as an end goal is in sight. He will endure it.””

    -Just like Rudy before him, in turning around NYC…..Frank doesn’t lie when he sings “if I can make it there….”

  203. Waingro says:

    AM1100 WZFG
    ? @wzfgradio
    4m4 minutes ago

    Breaking News: Is U.S. Senate candidate Tom Campbell now a candidate for Congressman Kevin Cramer’s seat? Let’s ask!

    Tune in here: http://ow.ly/7MAR30iqIbi

  204. Tina says:

    I like gildibrand. She reminds me of hillary.

    Jebot

  205. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    ALL immigration plans presented to the Senate have been filibustered. Bye-bye DACA on March 5th.

  206. Tina says:

    Gang,

    Hearing reports that there are pete the cheat, mistress texts about flynn that were turned over to his counsel.

  207. Tina says:

    Ding, dong, daca is dead.

    Let the socialist judges rule in favor of daca even though they cannot cite any law for it.

  208. NYCmike says:

    “Bye-bye DACA on March 5th.”

    -Hopefully, something will get done, in the terms outlined by our President.

    Also, hopefully, Congressional Republicans will not get intimidated by the press into doing something which will make them look feeble and weak.

    The law is on our side, public sentiment is on our side….stay out of the way and let Chuck and Nancy overreach in support of “dreamers” and lawbreakers.

  209. lisab says:

    tina,

    they are saying on boston radio that the screws are being put to that fbi guy who was texting his girlfriend

    on the order of, “you will testify to a, b, c, d, e and you will get f and g. any deviation from that and you will serve the full prison term”

    don’t know how true it is

  210. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    An attorney for the 19-year-old Florida man accused of killing 17 people at a high school says her client is sad and remorseful.

    “Public defender Melisa McNeill told reporters Thursday that Nikolas Cruz is fully aware of what’s going on but he’s also just a “broken human being.” McNeill spoke after a judge ordered Cruz held without bond. She had her arm around Cruz during the brief hearing.

    She became emotional while speaking to reporters, saying she’s fully aware of the impact the shooting has had on the community.”

    Please, please let me put the poor broken boy out of his misery. It would be a mission of mercy.

  211. mnw says:

    Glad that POS Schumer/Collins appears unlikely to pass.

    Thx to Trump. Otherwise the spineless usual suspects would’ve given Schumer everything.

  212. Redmen4ever says:

    DACA fix:

    Trump plan: 39 votes

    Bipartisan plan: 54 votes

    Trump plan might fetch 50 votes with nuclear option; the bipartisan plan might need 66.

  213. NYCmike says:

    “Thx to Trump. Otherwise the spineless usual suspects would’ve given Schumer everything.”

    -mnw,

    I read on HHR that the Gang of 8 was a real TOUGH immigration law!

    Didn’t you get the memo!?!?

  214. DW says:

    “broken human being.”

    Not yet. But lets talk again after the execution.

  215. Florida Republican says:

    Oh ya dawg. Trump gonna win, yo.

  216. mnw says:

    The House GOP is not quite as infested with Collins-like creatures as the Senate.

    NumbersUSA worked very hard to stop Schumer/Collins. We ducked a bullet today.

  217. JC says:

    Imagine if Rubio had been the president. We would be looking at amnesty for at least 6-8 million illegal immigrants with no end to chain migration and a continuation of the lottery system…

    And what would Rubio and Graham get for us in return? A rock solid ‘promise’ of future funding for ‘securing’ the border, which would last until the Dems trounce us in the next election with all of their new foreign replacement voters.

  218. mnw says:

    Manchin, Heitkamp & Donnelly voted for the Grassley bill, but not MO’s Sky Queen or Tester.

  219. JC says:

    And then Rubio would be impeached for the crime of ‘not being a democrat while holding office’. Because the Dems have let the poison of Marxism infiltrate their party to such an extent that they no longer represent any authority but their own.

  220. mnw says:

    Trump wants to take the issue to the voters. I think that’s the only way forward.

  221. Tina says:

    Lisab, I am sure they also were able to turn some. Priestap is one of them, and possibly Ohr.

    With Ohrs fail to disclose his wifes, ugly ohrs, financials, he is looking at some jail time.

  222. Tina says:

    Rubio has been a disappointment again.

    This, plus last week, when he let the va senator go for colluding with the russians.

    The rs play too nice.

    If an r senator had done the same as the va senator, the drat senators would have the r out of office.

  223. Tina says:

    Goober was ready to give everything,

    On muh russian, goober has done well since his epiphany. On amnesty, he is still terrible.

  224. SoHope says:

    Only about 3 republicans voted against Grassley bill because it was too conservative most voted against it because it’s not conservative enough.

  225. Bitterlaw says:

    Every time there is a mass killing, I feel that I owe it to the victims to read about them. This one really hurts. Most of the victims look like my daughter’s friends.

    Hugh – Which victim was your niece’s close friend? of that is too personal, you don’t have to share.

  226. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    GO HOME BOB!!! Guys like Corker think they are indispensable in the Senate. Tenn. voters tell him to take a hike! Go Marsha!
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/14/poll-marsha-blackburn-clobbers-bob-corker-49-to-26-among-tennessee-gop-primary-voters/

  227. Walt says:

    Very sad about the school shooting.

    Many states have spent tens of millions on various security measures, many schools in many states (including the one in FL) have police present at the school during the day. Practically every school has had security training for teachers and other staff.

    I said years ago that all these costly measures would not stop insane people from doing these insane things.

    For whatever reason, our society has glorified this insanity and the senseless mass murder of totally innocent people due to someone being deranged. Our society does not teach personal responsibility, our society has accepted everybody’s right to do and be anything, our society teaches there are no consequences, our society has abandoned Judeo-Christian ethics and values and the teaching of same. Our society has diminished the value of human life. Our society obviously has failed to teach many how to deal successfully and positively with adversity.

    We have lots bigger issues in this than the unusual gun control debate, and the nice sounding but hollow “we gotta do something about these insane incidents.”

  228. Cash Cow TM says:

    On an unrelated note….

    We have seen many cows and bulls today
    traveled a bit on the PanAmerican highway (4 whole lanes)
    Touched the Pacific Ocean
    Saw lots of monkeys
    Saw extinct volcanoes off in the distance over in Nicaragua
    Hiked through a rain forest and over 7 suspension bridges
    Ate more rice and beans.

    The tour guide said on the bus that at our hotel this evening we would see beautiful bitches…that is what we heard her say.
    But it appears she meant beautiful BEACHES.

  229. Tina says:

    Bill Mitchell
    Bill Mitchell
    @mitchellvii
    USUAL SUSPECTS: The amnesty GOP Senators were led by Sen. Lindsey Graham and Sen. Jeff Flake, but also included Maine Sen. Susan Collins, South Dakota Sen. Mike Rounds, Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander, and Georgia Sen. Johnny Isakson.
    3:10 PM · Feb 15, 2018

    They keep push8ng amnesty

  230. jason says:

    Zzzzzz… EVERY R candidate for President, including Trump, supported some type of legalization for illegals, i.e., amnesty. Every single one.

  231. jason says:

    Heh… seen on the Internet today.

    “Legal gun owners own 300 million guns and a trillion rounds of ammunition.

    If we were the problem, you would know about it”

  232. jason says:

    LOL

    People here against a solution for DACA think we are winning for doing nothing. Just like we have been winning over the last 40 years for doing nothing.

    They must think we are winning as millions more come in, there are more benefits for illegals, there are more sanctuary cities and even states.

    Doing nothing is just what the Dems want. Because when they get 5 seats on SCOTUS or control of the government, which will eventually happen, they will implement full amnesty and voting rights for every illegal in the country and millions more coming in.

    But keep on thinking WE ARE WINNING.

  233. NYCmike says:

    “But keep on thinking WE ARE WINNING.”

    -NOT ONE PERSON is thinking that, A-Hole.

    We are thinking “Don’t give up and appease the LEFT, you actually have a President playing hardball and trying to do something about this issue, and trying to do in a way that the voters are responding to him in a positive way!”.

    Conservative (Cotton-Perdue, except for the legal immigrant number, just like I said 6 months ago) legislation can win the day, IF THE AMNESTY CONTINGENT act like Republicans and vote with their party, and their party’s voters!!

  234. mnw says:

    jason

    Profoundly disagree. The President means business. It’s going to be a long war.

    Until lastNovember, the things being debated in Congress today weren’t even under discussion. The Wall Street Journal (I used to subscribe) for decades described opposition to open borders as “political fool’s gold.”

    Interesting that 3 of the DEM Spotted Owls had a ‘come to Jesus’ moment today… they LIKE Fool’s Gold now!

    Spotted Owls Claire & Tester drank Schumer’s Kool Aid, but… for how much longer?

  235. mnw says:

    In 2013, a much larger amnesty got 68 votes, with no border security measures added, or anything else— just ‘clean amnesty.’

    Anyone think Trump hasn’t changed the order of battle on illegal immigration already?

  236. NYCmike says:

    “People here against a solution for DACA”

    -Please name names, because I know I am NOT AGAINST Trump’s solution for DACA.

  237. NYCmike says:

    “Anyone think Trump hasn’t changed the order of battle on illegal immigration already?”

    -Negotiating 101.

    Don’t give up anything, until the other side shows what they will compromise on.

    Rubio, with the Gang of 8, showed how NOT TO NEGOTIATE.

  238. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if NYC supports an increased Federal gas tax to partially pay for Trump’s infrastructure gift to the unions.

  239. Phil says:

    Jason, whether Republicans do anything about illegal immigration legislation now or not Democrats once they get control of government will legalize illegals and grant them full voting rights regardless. Nothing Republicans agree to now will prevent them from doing so. They are going to do so regardless of what Republicans agree to now.

    You know how Democrats operate.

  240. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    Congress writes the bills, which the President can then sign into law, if passed by Congress.

    When the bill passes, I’ll let you know what I think.

    At this point, I am against any increase in tax, as they rarely spend most of it on what they are supposed to.

  241. Tina says:

    ??
    @mflynnJR
    Exactly….

    FBI can’t identify a YouTuber whose username is literally his REAL name but the FBI could identify the DNC leak as ‘Russians’?

    FBI can’t identify a YouTuber whose username is… • r/The_Donald
    reddit.com
    12:43 PM · Feb 15, 2018

    Keep putting attorneys in charge at the fbi and this is what you get. You need more filks with law enforcement backgrounds. Leave the attorneys for the doj.

  242. Mr.Vito says:

    Reagan raised the gas tax to pay for infrastructure.

    Why does no one seem to remember that?

    It would be equivalent to 13 cents today.

  243. Tina says:

    The supremes will likely strike daca down, if no daca law can be found, kennedy will not side with it.

    Aclu troll will, however as will the “smart” latina since they have been purchased by the la raza.

  244. Mr.Vito says:

    “FBI can’t identify a YouTuber whose username is literally his REAL name…”

    The people from Criminal Minds would have had it hours.

  245. Tina says:

    Reagan also put quotas and tariffs on studf too. This caused japanese manufacturers to develop plants here.

    People forget.

  246. Tina says:

    Mulehead

    Comedy

    Wray

    Minimal law enforcement background, heavy on the lawyering though

  247. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    An increased gasoline tax will have a disproportionate effect on people in rural areas, who have to drive further for essential services. These are areas that strongly supported Trump. It will void any benefit they received from the Trump tax cut. Its a dumb move on the part of Trump if he ends up supporting it.

  248. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – Good point. However, the counter argument is that there are long stretches of roads in rural areas. The counter counter argument is that there are more cars on city and suburban roads.

  249. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t think Trump worries much about his base. No wall yet and willing to deal on DACA can’t make his base happy.

  250. Redmen4ever says:

    If the gas tax is used to benefit those who buy the gas, it’s a user fee.

    If tolls are used to construct and maintain roads, they have the advantage relative to the gas tax in that they are collected from the very roads they finance. But, tolls are costly and bothersome to collect.

    Collecting a gas tax at the pump is administratively easy. But, the politicians like to look at the money collected as a goodie bag for any number of projects.

    EZpass would seem to tip the scales, nowadays, in the direction of tolls.

    Beisdes all this, the gas tax hasn’t been adjusted for inflation for a while. If our highway trust fund needs to be replenished, then raising the federal gas tax a bit would be in order.

  251. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In California in just 10 weeks they obtained over 500,000 signatures to repeal the recent raise in the gas tax that Brown pushed though the legislature. They only need about 200,000 more.

    A gas tax is a very regressive tax, rural drivers end up paying more because they have to drive more miles than drivers in urban areas. It hits the poor as hard as the rich. It will boost the Democratic claim that the Trump tax cut primarily benefits the rich.

    Some of the endangered Democratic senators from more rural states could use this as a campaign issue. New York tycoon gives his rich friends a tax cut, while burdening farmers and working people in rural and suburban areas.

  252. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    263. “If our highway trust fund needs to be replenished, then raising the federal gas tax a bit would be in order.”

    A raise of 25 cents a gallon is not a little bit. My understanding is this is for infrastructure in general, and not just highways. It is not a user fee, and most the funds will likely be used for non-highway uses, and most could be in urban areas.

  253. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not support raising the gas tax. I also do not support $1 Trillion in infrastructure spending a/k/a gift to unions.
    J

  254. Tina says:

    I will have to sign that repeal, sdc.

    I noticed a pretty signicsnt increase in gas prices here in the last month or two. $3.30.

  255. JC says:

    A gas tax hike would be the single dumbest thing I could possibly imagine Trump and the GOP doing. In fact, it might be the only thing capable of killing their current support from the tax cuts.

    The tax cut was such a huge win politically for the GOP in terms of persuasion – people will remember it every time they see their paycheck. It’s very visual and personally impactful – a positive benefit that people experience immediately. It’s even better than a booming economy, because it may not be obvious for people to see how that benefits them. But more cash in their pockets is always obvious. Republicans can take credit for that, and absolutely bludgeon the dems with it.

    The gas tax hike has the exact opposite issue. People will remember – with the help from the media – that Trump and the GOP caused gas prices to rise every time they fill up their tank. It’s horrendous persuasion. The very worst.

    I’m not surprised that establishmentarians like Krauthammer and his fellow ‘Conservative Inc.’ cohorts in the media support this. After all, it’s abysmally toxic PR so of course they do. I am surprised that Trump is considering it.

  256. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    267. Please do sign. You can get the petition online. Its in the $3.30-$3.50 range in San Diego too. You go over the border into another state and the price drops by at least a dollar.

    But never fear, The U.S. is catching up with California; going to have a massive debt and high gas prices.

  257. jason says:

    Jason, whether Republicans do anything about illegal immigration legislation now or not Democrats once they get control of government will legalize illegals and grant them full voting rights regardless”

    Hey Phil, don’t your understand, NYC and mnw think WE ARE WINNING.

  258. jason says:

    “Conservative (Cotton-Perdue, except for the legal immigrant number,”

    LOL

    That’s like saying except for the fact this sandwich has a dog turd in it, it’s pretty good.

  259. jason says:

    When the bill passes, I’ll let you know what I think.”

    Translation: because I am a hypocrite, I will forget I was against raising taxes to fund “infrastructure” as long as Trump proposes it.

  260. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    CNN is reporting Trump did not support the gas tax, only thought it was on the table for consideration. Looks like the Democrats are wildly in favor of the gas tax — while the Republicans have reservations based on its effect upon the vulnerable in our society.

    “Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao did not rule out a gas tax Tuesday when she spoke to reporters at the White House, but she described it as “not ideal.”
    “The President has not declared anything out of bounds, so everything is on the table. The gas tax, like many of the other pay-fors that are being discussed, is not ideal,” she said. “There are pros and cons. The gas tax has adverse impact, a very regressive impact, on the most vulnerable within our society; those who depend on jobs, who are hourly workers. So these are tough decisions, which is why, once again, we need to start the dialogue with the Congress, and so that we can address these issues on this very important point.”
    Carper said Trump also offered “full-throated support for an increase in user fees” for roads, highways, and bridges.
    Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, who was also at the White House meeting Wednesday, took issue with the way Carper characterized Trump’s support for a gas tax increase.
    “He was not advocating that. He was looking at all the options,” Inhofe said. “All he said was we need to do something and that is still on the table.”
    Asked if Trump offered political cover to lawmakers who supported a tax hike, Inhofe said he didn’t recall “that word being used.”
    “I think that’s an exaggeration,” he said. “A combination of exaggeration and wishful thinking.””

    Did the Democrats just get had?

  261. JC says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    February 16, 2018 at 12:37 am
    CNN is reporting Trump did not support the gas tax, only thought it was on the table for consideration. Looks like the Democrats are wildly in favor of the gas tax — while the Republicans have reservations based on its effect upon the vulnerable in our society.
    ———————

    That’s really good to hear. If nothing else, I trust that Trump at least is competent enough to understand how stupid this would be politically, unlike the GOP leaders.

    And of course dems would support republicans hiking gas prices before the election. I’m sure there’s nothing they would love more.

    Sometimes I really do believe that the GOP establishment is controlled opposition.

  262. jason says:

    Sometimes I really do believe that the GOP establishment is controlled opposition.”

    Sometimes I think the deadenders are opposition controlled, since they do so much to elect more liberal Democrats.

  263. jason says:

    Already on my third cup of coffee to wash down a a lite breakfast of fried scrapple, bacon, scrambled eggs, and toast, and you lazy bastards are still in bed?

  264. SoHope says:

    1.5T infrastructure spending plan is when we are already running deficits is dumb and raising the gas tax when we are facing inflation driven by increased fuel prices is done as well.

  265. SoHope says:

    The Republicans need to be all over DACA saying that the Democrats would rather have the issue to run against instead of the solution.

  266. Messy57 says:

    what the founders thought of the Second Amendment:

    “The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them. And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burdens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights.”—Joseph Story, Commentry on the Constitution 1839.

    Like I said, he was appointed by James Madison, who wrote the damn thing and knew what was meant by it.

  267. SoHope says:

    Trump’s four pillars argument is fairly popular with the people and they should sell it straight to the people to protect them against the “Republicans hate immigrants and want to deport DACA kids” argument.

  268. Redmen4ever says:

    265 – 25 cent increase isn’t a little bit. I agree with this.

    The federal gasoline tax is 18.4 cents per gallon. This U.S. highway trust fund is at about $37 B., down a tad during the past several years. An increase in the federal highway trust fund is indicated.

    The important thing is that the revenue from this tax be used for highway construction and maintenance, with only a little siphoning of the money for other purposes.

    As to whether the tax is regressive – in a world in which highways, bridges and tunnels fall out of the sky, yes. But, in a world in which infrastructure needs to be built and maintained, an efficient road network lowers the cost of getting goods to market and so benefits everybody.

  269. Messy57 says:

    278. But they can’t as they killed it. They WANT The Democrats to have it as an issue.

  270. mnw says:

    BL

    Trump & his base:

    I think you misunderestimate (W’s word I love) two things:

    1) The Trump base understands the realpolitik of immigration: Trump can’t do it alone, & he has to trade to get what he proposed in SOTU.

    2) After a year, the Trump base has learned to trust Trump not to sell them out.

    Blame Trump for no wall & DACA still extant? As opposed to McCain and Schumer?

    I don’t think Trump’s supporters are that simplistic.

  271. jason says:

    LOL, Messy’s post has NOTHING to do with the 2nd Amendment, its only about the militia.

    And in any event, there are TWO elements to the 2nd Amendment, one pertains to the militia, the other says THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”

    What is not clear about the THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT INFRINGED?

    It does not say only the militia can be armed that is moonbat BS.

  272. jason says:

    Everyone knows the dreamers are not going to be deported and about 80% think they should be allowed to stay.

    Killing DACA and thinking its a win is something the immigration deadenders are just deluding themselves with.

    https://nypost.com/2018/01/11/huge-majority-of-americans-want-dreamers-to-stay-in-us-poll/

  273. Albert Hodges says:

    Seems to me that President Trump’s approach of the 4 pillars to solving DACA is not only the correct one but is also going to set well with his base.

    I know it does with me.

    President Trump would have to do something so against his campaign stands as egregious as if Clinton supported ending abortion or Obama supported ending food stamps would be to their bases, before I would turn on him.

    And there is nothing in his history that would suggest he would do so.

    Trust President Trump and support him as he works to make Make America Great Again. (and he is doing it!)

  274. Bitterlaw says:

    I have now moved DACA out of my top 100 issues. Neither party really wants a solution. They just want to fundraise with it and yell at the other side.

  275. Phil says:

    Well, I didn’t watch it but as I predicted Jimmy Kimmel was in his usual hysterical form last night crying again and ranting over Trump’ being “Mentally ill’ Apparently, the Florida shooting was Trump’s fault. Yep. Jimbo said so. Apparently that was totally different from the Ft Hood shooting that happened under Obama’s watch. That was just workplace violence if you remember.

    God, I miss Johnny Carson.

    Moonbats.

  276. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – I am also filled with sadness and rage over the shootings. I am just resigned to them never stopping.

  277. mnw says:

    I don’t care about DACA per se either, BL. It’s just trade goods for addressing illegal immigration, which is an existential issue.

  278. DW says:

    288 – and I suppose the liberal democrat loon who shot up the GOP baseball players was Trump’s fault too.

  279. Phil says:

    Of course it was, DW. Of course, old Jimbo wasn’t so exorcised about that shooting. Probably considered that loon a freedom fighter.

  280. mnw says:

    Unlike every other GOP president I can remember (Ike was the first one), Trump can’t be rolled. Perhaps that the tough business tycoon effect.

  281. NYCmike says:

    “Translation: because I am a hypocrite, I will forget I was against raising taxes to fund “infrastructure” as long as Trump proposes it.”

    -jason must be another person here at HHR who thinks the President writes the bills.

    The purpose for me to wait about giving an opinion is this: I don’t think a Republican Congress would write more gas taxes into a bill……..but then again, I thought a Republican Congress would be MORE CONSERVATIVE than a person labeled a “LIBERAL DEMOCRAT” by some A-Hole from PA.

  282. NYCmike says:

    “I have now moved DACA out of my top 100 issues. Neither party really wants a solution. They just want to fundraise with it and yell at the other side.”

    -You are ridiculous.

  283. NYCmike says:

    “Seems to me that President Trump’s approach of the 4 pillars to solving DACA is not only the correct one but is also going to set well with his base.”

    -Exactly.

    Trump is asking people in his party to compromise and accept a form of amnesty for the DACA “dreamers”. and at the same time asking Democrats to compromise and accept an end to chain migration, an end to the lottery system, and $$$ appropriated for the wall to be built.

    Oddly enough, ALL of those things have popular support with voters.

    The people who should be called out are the stubborn ones like Pelosi/Schumer, who want NOTHING done, and the Chamber-of-Commerce-bought Republicans like Murkowski/Collins/Graham.

  284. Phil says:

    296
    couldn’t agree more.

  285. mnw says:

    296

    I agree more than he does.

  286. jason says:

    “I have now moved DACA out of my top 100 issues. Neither party really wants a solution. They just want to fundraise with it and yell at the other side.”

    Exactly.

    And in any case the Dems will eventually win over the immigration deadenders who think they are winning.

  287. mnw says:

    “deadender” = anyone with whom I disagree about anything

  288. jason says:

    Opposing a DACA agreement and declaring victory without one is like being on a kayak and celebrating surviving a 5 ft water fall while heading straight for a 500 ft drop.

  289. jason says:

    “deadender” = anyone with whom I disagree about anything”

    Leave the translations to the pros, you are over your head.

    Have you sent Kelli Ward any money yet? You don’t want to risk nominating someone who could win, don’t take any chances.

    Give until it hurts.

  290. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    jason
    What is the bee in your bonnet about illegal immigration? You take a Liberal’s position on it. You are HHR’s Lindsay Grahamnesty on this issue!
    Here is a summary about Gallup’s polling with respect to the Immigration issue.The article is dated February 15,2018.
    As you can see below, mwn has the correct position on the issue from a political prospective. Republicans,by far and away, find the issue topic a Voting Issue.

    Immigration Jumps as Top Problem, Still Trails Government

    by Frank Newport
    STORY HIGHLIGHTS

    15% of Americans say immigration is the nation’s most important problem
    25% of Republicans name immigration, compared with 6% of Democrats
    Government remains the top problem, at 22% of all mentions

  291. Robbie says:

    Easily the most successful infrastructure week yet for the Trump White House. Let’s recap the week.

    1. The Michael Porter scandal
    2. Trump’s staff calling General Kelly a “big, fat, liar”
    3. Trump’s moron lawyer Michael Cohen admitted he facilitated a payment of $130,000 to porn star Stormy Daniels to keep her quiet about her affair with Trump
    4. Cabinet secretaries Priutt and Shulkin both had to explain embarrassing expenditures
    5. Trump’s immigration plan only got 40 votes in the Senate (but muh Raise Act!)
    6. Ronan Farrow reported a long detailed, story about and affair Trump had with a Playboy playmate and the efforts his friend at National Enquirer used to pay her off for her silence

    So much winning!

  292. Phil says:

    I think McSally can win the primary. Will send her a check.

  293. Phil says:

    Robbie just picked the biggest six nothingburgers he could have possibly come up with.

  294. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    February 16, 2018 at 10:37 am
    “Seems to me that President Trump’s approach of the 4 pillars to solving DACA is not only the correct one but is also going to set well with his base.”
    -Exactly.
    Trump is asking people in his party to compromise and accept a form of amnesty for the DACA “dreamers”. and at the same time asking Democrats to compromise and accept an end to chain migration, an end to the lottery system, and $$$ appropriated for the wall to be built.
    Oddly enough, ALL of those things have popular support with voters.
    The people who should be called out are the stubborn ones like Pelosi/Schumer, who want NOTHING done, and the Chamber-of-Commerce-bought Republicans like Murkowski/Collins/Graham.

    – But muh Raise Act!

    I really loved the shot at “Chamber of Commerce Republicans”. They, by the way, are the Republicans who actually win Senate races rather than lose unlosable races like NYCmike’s buddies in the Tea Party movement.

    I get it though. It’s been a rough couple of weeks for NYCmike. After all, Trump killed off the Tea Party movement with his budget agreement. I guess that’s one good thing Trump has done.

  295. jason says:

    The people who should be called out are the stubborn ones like Pelosi/Schumer, who want NOTHING done”

    And why do you think that is, moron?

    Because they think they are losing?

    I prefer to call out the idiots who think WE ARE WINNING.

  296. Phil says:

    How about Kimmel – Colbert in 2020.

    Make America cry again.

  297. jason says:

    I think McSally can win the primary. Will send her a check.”

    You will just cancel out mnw’s check. Don’t waste your money.

    SEND A MESSAGE instead.

  298. jason says:

    Ronan Farrow reported a long detailed, story about and affair Trump had with a Playboy playmate and the efforts his friend at National Enquirer used to pay her off for her silence”

    This is all you got?

    LOL

    I guess it was a good week for Trump.

  299. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    February 16, 2018 at 11:25 am
    Robbie just picked the biggest six nothingburgers he could have possibly come up with.

    – LOL. I’m sure you’d be cutting Obama the same amount of slack.

    The White House employs a wife beater who can’t get a security clearance and doesn’t fire him after the FBI informs them of this in November 2017. NOTHINGBURGER!

    Trump’s lawyer admits he facilitated a payment to a porn star so she wouldn’t talk about an affair with Trump. NOTHINGBURGER!

    Steve Bannon testifies for 20 hours to Robert Mueller’s investigation. NOTHINGBURGER!

    On the flip side, the Devin Nunes releases a misleading memo. BIGGER THAN WATERGATE!

    By the way, that memo really slowed down the Mueller investigation didn’t it?

  300. Phil says:

    America hungers for more detail on the Trump playmate affair.

  301. Phil says:

    Hey, Robbie. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  302. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    February 16, 2018 at 11:32 am
    Ronan Farrow reported a long detailed, story about and affair Trump had with a Playboy playmate and the efforts his friend at National Enquirer used to pay her off for her silence”
    This is all you got?
    LOL
    I guess it was a good week for Trump.

    – Hey, look. The biggest fraud at HHR who wanted child molesting Roy Moore to win continues to show all he cares about is whether a politician has a R after his or her name.

    Old Jason hotness – integrity and values matter

    New Jason hotness – who cares, he’s a Republican so it’s all cool with me.

  303. Phil says:

    BTW, who said the memo was going to slow down the Mueller “investigation”?

  304. Chicon says:

    Robbie, can you tell us how PA-18 is gonna go?

  305. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    February 16, 2018 at 11:34 am
    Hey, Robbie. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    – I’m totally sure this would have been your response had Obama done all of these things.

    I will say this about the Trump presidency. It has served as an interesting litmus test over whether people actually value integrity in their candidates or just prefer to support people with R’s after their names.

  306. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    February 16, 2018 at 11:37 am
    Robbie, can you tell us how PA-18 is gonna go?

    – The Republican will likely hold on and win, but the margin, much like all of the other special House elections in 2017, will be far narrower than the 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016 results.

    Chicon, can you tell me if you still believe in the two embarrassing conspiracies you fell for last year, or are you finally willing to admit you were duped?

  307. Phil says:

    Robbie, you and Kimmel need to get a room. Invite Joy Behar over. Make it a three way.

  308. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    February 16, 2018 at 11:36 am
    BTW, who said the memo was going to slow down the Mueller “investigation”?

    – The FoxNews primetime lineup of Martha McTrump, Trumper Carlson, Sean Trumpity, and Laura Trumpingham assured me the memo was bigger than Watergate.

    Rush Trumpbaugh also said the “but muh memo” was the end of the Mueller investigation and likely meant that the guilty pleas of Flynn, Manafort, Gates, and Papadoupolous were fruit of the poisonous tree and could be thrown out.

  309. Phil says:

    Actually, I’m more interested in the Inpector General’s Report. Should be, uh, enlightening.

  310. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    February 16, 2018 at 11:41 am
    Robbie, you and Kimmel need to get a room. Invite Joy Behar over. Make it a three way.

    – Is that the best you’ve got, Phil? Really? This is the best you’ve got?

    Because I’m offended by the lifestyle Trump has chosen to live; because I find objectionable his multiple affairs while disgusting women like a porn star, you equate me to liberals like Jimmy Kimmel and Joy Behar?

    I expect crap like this from a fraud like Jason, but I expected better from you. Sorry I have chosen to rank my own integrity above party loyalty, but that’s just the way it is.

  311. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    February 16, 2018 at 11:47 am
    Actually, I’m more interested in the Inpector General’s Report. Should be, uh, enlightening.

    – Actually, I’m more interested in the Mueller investigation and the sooner the better.

  312. Phil says:

    No, actually you are using your, uh, “integrity” as another excuse t bash Trump along with the other ten million excuses you regularly spew. Yep, you and Kimmel both have the moral high ground. Not a lot of difference in your approaches.

  313. jason says:

    New Jason hotness – who cares, he’s a Republican so it’s all cool with me.”

    Ahhh, finally.

    You must have found the post where I said Trump was a Republican.

    Where is it?

  314. Chicon says:

    Everyone here supports Trump because he has an R next to his name. Lol…

    Most here generally support Trump when he espouses conservative positions, and cringe when he acts like a goof. Both are possible at once for most humans.

    Most here generally support Trump when he battles Robbie’s msm friends.

  315. Phil says:

    “I’m more interested in the Mueller investigation”

    Well, of course you are. Who cares how it was set up or conducted. Get Trump!

  316. Robbie says:

    Regardless of how much I despise Trump the person, I genuinely feel badly for his wife. She didn’t ask for any of this.

  317. Chicon says:

    324 – yes, let’s get going on the impeachment. That will SEND A MESSAGE to the cads that voted for Trump.

  318. mnw says:

    I don’t believe for a NY minute that Wobbles is “offended by the lifestyle Trump has chosen to live.”

    muh pornstar is just another convenient club to beat Trump with.

  319. jason says:

    Wobbie is “very offended” by tabloid trash about Trump’s mistresses decades ago but perfectly ok with the MSM’s sordid campaign against Trump.

    Poor bastard. Still stuck on Jeb Bush and Mika’s face.

  320. Phil says:

    Yep, Robbie and Kimmel have the moral high ground. Just ask them.

  321. JC says:

    For the last year Scott Adams has repeatedly claimed that while some bias members of the FBI certainly existed, it was unlikely there was any conspiracy to harm or oust the president. But after everything he’s seen recently, especially in regards to Strzok’s and Rice’s ‘insurance policy’, he now believes that there was a legitimate coup attempt against Trump.

    He also thinks Mueller is legitimate and honest (I don’t), and that enough time has passed that Trump should give him a generous deadline (late summer) to bring all of his findings to congress. If he make a convincing case to continuing his ‘investigation’, then he will shut it down.

  322. jason says:

    I’m more interested in the Mueller investigation”

    I thought you said the Russian Collusion story was bogus trash.

    You believe in it now?

  323. Chicon says:

    329 – yeah, she had no idea he was a pig, and only married him because he’s hot and nice.

  324. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    February 16, 2018 at 11:50 am
    No, actually you are using your, uh, “integrity” as another excuse t bash Trump along with the other ten million excuses you regularly spew. Yep, you and Kimmel both have the moral high ground. Not a lot of difference in your approaches.

    – You’re right. I am going to use integrity to bash a man who has lived his life in such a foul way because I find the life he’s led to be reprehensible.

    But in Trump, we’ve found that special person who has both lived a sordid personal life and who has demonstrated he is a scandal ridden, unqualified oaf who has no idea what’s he’s doing as president/

    So yes, I am going to bash Trump on his personal and professional life because he has given me ample reasons to do so. He chose to put himself fin the public spotlight when he ran for president. If he didn’t want this nonsense to be used against him, he shouldn’t have run.

    But at least he’s giving you the wall, right? I guess that’s why you’re willing to trade in all of the indignation you expressed during the Obama years and turn a blind eye to Trump’s personal and public behavior and incompetence.

  325. mnw says:

    I SOOO want McCaskill, Donnelly, Heitkamp & Tester to have to run for re-election while getting lots of questions about impeachment!

    Oh please Lord, make that THE major issue of the 2018 GE!

  326. jason says:

    New Jason hotness – who cares, he’s a Republican”

    So show me the post where I said Trump is a Republican or admit your are a pathological liar.

  327. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    February 16, 2018 at 11:51 am
    New Jason hotness – who cares, he’s a Republican so it’s all cool with me.”
    Ahhh, finally.
    You must have found the post where I said Trump was a Republican.
    Where is it?

    – You said you wanted to Roy Moore to win.

  328. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    February 16, 2018 at 11:52 am
    “I’m more interested in the Mueller investigation”
    Well, of course you are. Who cares how it was set up or conducted. Get Trump!

    – THE DEEP STATE!

    IT’S A SILENT COUP!

  329. jason says:

    If he didn’t want this nonsense to be used against him,”

    Pathological liar once in awhile slips up and tells the truth.

    Admits its “nonsense”

  330. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    February 16, 2018 at 11:54 am
    Wobbie is “very offended” by tabloid trash about Trump’s mistresses decades ago but perfectly ok with the MSM’s sordid campaign against Trump.
    Poor bastard. Still stuck on Jeb Bush and Mika’s face.

    – Decades ago? How about a decade ago and just four months after his youngest son was born.

    I’m sure you’d have had the same view had Obama done this, but, then again, you are a fraud so I doubt it.

  331. Phil says:

    So which it Robbie? Russian collusion is bogus trash or Mueller has the goods on Trump?

    Which it? I’m confused.

  332. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    February 16, 2018 at 11:56 am
    I’m more interested in the Mueller investigation”
    I thought you said the Russian Collusion story was bogus trash.
    You believe in it now?

    – I don’t believe Trump personally conspired or colluded with Russians. I do think the evidence we’ve seen over the last year though indicates members of his campaign tried though.

  333. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    February 16, 2018 at 11:57 am
    329 – yeah, she had no idea he was a pig, and only married him because he’s hot and nice.

    – So she had it coming to her. Got it.

  334. jason says:

    Wobbie wants to overturn the results of the election because he doesn’t like Trump.

    Of course, he always thought Pence was a rabid rightwinger socon that represented everything he hated about the R party, but now he pretends he actually liked Pence.

    You could bet if Pence was President, Wobbie would immediately start regurgitating all the hate talking points against Pence.

    Wobbie is just a low life scumbag. I don’t see how he can say anything bad about Trump considering his own lack of character.

  335. jason says:

    ecades ago? How about a decade ago”

    LOL

  336. DW says:

    Some org bought ads on Real Clear Politics demanding action on clean air…for the children!

    Yes, there is a burning issue for Dems to run on. If they don’t like the air here, they should move the communist utopia of Bejing China, and take in deep breaths and see how great the air is there.

  337. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    February 16, 2018 at 12:02 pm
    So which it Robbie? Russian collusion is bogus trash or Mueller has the goods on Trump?
    Which it? I’m confused.

    – I don’t believe Trump personally conspired with Russians and have said so since the start. I do think the evidence is clear (Don Jr’s own emails for one) that members of his campaign attempted to conspire with those claiming to be Russians.

    On the other hand, I think the evidence is clear Trump has repeatedly attempted to impede the investigation into his campaign. Whether firing Comey and some of the other activities qualify as obstruction of justice, I don’t know.

  338. Phil says:

    So libs add Trumps prior adultery (unlike Clinton’s) to the list of reasons Trump needs to go. These are the same people who made fun of Pence for being too straight laced.

    Coouldn’t make this crap up if you tried.

  339. JC says:

    The great Russian conspiracy was created as an excuse to discover ‘the goods on Trump’. So far, they haven’t found any. If they had, it would have been instantly leaked six ways to Sunday.

  340. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    February 16, 2018 at 12:05 pm
    Wobbie wants to overturn the results of the election because he doesn’t like Trump.
    Of course, he always thought Pence was a rabid rightwinger socon that represented everything he hated about the R party, but now he pretends he actually liked Pence.
    You could bet if Pence was President, Wobbie would immediately start regurgitating all the hate talking points against Pence.
    Wobbie is just a low life scumbag. I don’t see how he can say anything bad about Trump considering his own lack of character.

    – Hey, biggest fraud at HHR. I have not called for Trump to resign or called for him to be impeached. I’d love it if he woke up tomorrow and decided to quit, but I’m not demanding it you moron.

    That said, this idiocy you offer about me wanting to overturn an election is pure garbage. Under your moronic view, I guess you felt Al Franken should have stay in office? Were the Democrat colleagues of his wanting to overturn an election since they called for him to resign?

    what about Tim Murphy who resign in PA-18? Did Paul Ryan want to overturn the election when he encouraged Murphy to resign?

    Your red MAGA hat is on too tight.

  341. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    February 16, 2018 at 12:06 pm
    ecades ago? How about a decade ago”
    LOL

    – Honey, it’s ok. I screwed that woman 10 years ago. Why are you so mad at me? Everyone knows the rule that, after 10 years, cheating on you doesn’t count anymore.

  342. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    February 16, 2018 at 12:08 pm
    So libs add Trumps prior adultery (unlike Clinton’s) to the list of reasons Trump needs to go. These are the same people who made fun of Pence for being too straight laced.
    Coouldn’t make this crap up if you tried.

    – It’s sad to watch the party of “family values” morph into the party of “who cares”. I guess all of that talk in 1998 about Clinton was empty and just a cover for the fact Clinton had a D after his name.

  343. Messy57 says:

    284. Joseph Story was writing about the Second Amendment in the standard lawbook of the time.

    He is considered to be one of the top five Supreme Court Justices of all time. He was appointed by James Madison, a friend of his, who WROTE the Second Amendment and knew exactly what it meant.

    Originalism.

  344. Messy57 says:

    352. Oh? the Muller probe is quite leakproof.

  345. Phil says:

    Tell me, Robbie. Which side was laughing at Pence for not having lunch or dinner alone with females not his wife? Republicans?

  346. mnw says:

    jason

    I don’t plan to contribute in the AZ Senate GOP primary. That’s not true & it’s careless to just throw that out there.

    If I had to choose in AZ, I’d probably pick McSally. She might hold the seat, & she’s now talking about immigration as if she were Tom fn Cotton. How sincere she is, who knows.

  347. NYCmike says:

    “Opposing a DACA agreement and declaring victory without one….”

    -jason,

    Who is opposing a DACA agreement?

    Who is declaring victory?

  348. Messy57 says:

    Mueller just indicted at least 20 Russians. The 37 page document mentions collusion with Trump.

    Fun fun fun.

  349. NYCmike says:

    1) Right now, a short-term political victory would be one where Democrats are shown to be stubborn mules, as Trump has moderated his position. If the Republicans would just stick with him, the voters will follow.

    2) Long-term, something does need to be done. More votes in the Senate would help the President do something……so go back to #1, and act accordingly.

    3) Short-term, and long-term, the Republican Party can screw itself by allowing people like Murkowski to make immigration deals.

  350. Messy57 says:

    excuse me. 13 Russians. Listening to the radio…

  351. Phil says:

    OMG! Trump must be impeached!

  352. Todd McCain says:

    Do any of those indictments include the name, Donald J. Trump?

    ……..I am still waiting.

  353. Cash Cow TM says:

    On the Beach today.
    And relaxing by tbe pool–the largest one in all of central america.

  354. DW says:

    So some Russians were rooting against Hillary.

    I was a kid when the Russians played the USA in Olympic hockey. My cheering for the USA and against Russia while watching the game on tape delay was why the Soviet goaltender misplayed the 100 foot shot allowing Mark Johnson to pickup the rebound and score with 1 second left in the 1st period.

  355. Hugh says:

    361. Actually it doesn’t. More likely it appears to be the opposite

  356. JC says:

    Oh sh!t.

    “There are no Americans facing charges or who knowingly worked with the Russian interference”

    That’s it. Done

  357. DW says:

    370 – Trolls hardest hit.

  358. JC says:

    “Russians supported protests for both candidates”

    “Rallied both for Trump and against Trump during inauguration”

    From Rosenstein

  359. Hugh says:

    OMG. They also supported Bernie Sanders. Who knew Bernie Sanders colluded with the Russians

  360. JC says:

    Where’s Robbie?

    Wasn’t this the grand moment he’s been waiting for? Lol

  361. jason says:

    Now I know why Rubio lost…it was the Russians!

    In addition to disparaging Clinton, they denigrated other candidates, “such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio,” and they supported Bernie Sanders and then Donald Trump. In the latter half of 2016, they used groups to discourage minorities from voting in the 2016 presidential election.”

  362. jason says:

    The 37 page document mentions collusion with Trump.”

    We need to establish a fund so Messy can learn how to read…

    I will contribute $5.

  363. jason says:

    “that members of his campaign attempted to conspire with those claiming to be Russians.”

    LOL, Wobbie really is a joke.

    What was the “conspiracy” exactly?

  364. jason says:

    “attempted to conspire with those claiming to be Russians”

    WOW.

  365. Todd McCain says:

    “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity,” Rosenstein said, adding there “there is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.”

  366. Todd McCain says:

    THIS IS OVER!!!!!!!!!

  367. Todd McCain says:

    The indictment says part of the Russian influence campaign dates to 2013. It involved hundreds of people and millions of dollars. The goal? “Spread distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general.”

  368. DW says:

    374 – the cruise ship just left the dock

  369. Robbie says:

    I was told this investigation was a nothing burger.

    NBC Politics
    ?@NBCPolitics

    BREAKING: Special Counsel Mueller has indicted 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian entities who are “accused of violating U.S. criminal laws in order to interfere with U.S. elections and political processes,” @Tom_Winter reports

  370. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    February 16, 2018 at 2:28 pm
    374 – the cruise ship just left the dock

    – Right here.

    How’s shilling for Trump going for you?

  371. Todd McCain says:

    384. Perhaps you didn’t see Rod Rosenstein’s press coverage………

  372. Chicon says:

    385 – Todd, this does not mean Trump’s in the clear. It means that no Americans worked with these defendants.

  373. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    February 16, 2018 at 12:30 pm
    Tell me, Robbie. Which side was laughing at Pence for not having lunch or dinner alone with females not his wife? Republicans?

    – Tell me, Phil. Which side was saying Clinton needed to resign or be impeached for an having an affair in the White House with an intern and then lying about it? Republicans? Yep, they’re the ones.

    Now tell me this, Phil. Which side, after saying Clinton needed to be impeached because of immoral and illegal activities, is now saying who cares that Trump had affairs with porn stars and paid them off to be quiet? Republicans? Yep, they’re the ones.

    What’s the difference between 1998 and 2018? Clinton had a D after his name then and Trump has a R after his name now.

  374. Messy57 says:

    366. Not yet. Wait a while.

  375. Todd McCain says:

    It appears to me that RR just cleared Trump.

    He was VERY clear that no Americans wittingly helped the Russians and it did not alter the election.

  376. Robbie says:

    Messy57 says:
    February 16, 2018 at 1:00 pm
    Mueller just indicted at least 20 Russians. The 37 page document mentions collusion with Trump.
    Fun fun fun.

    – To be fair, the document doesn’t mention anything about Trump. However, it does note that some campaign officials unwittingly took part in the Russian scheme.

    If I was a Trumployalist, I’d be relieved by what the indictment says because it suggests Mueller might eventually clear the campaign officials.

    None of this peaks to Trump’s actions relating to the firing of Comey, though. That’s where Trump’s problem lies. Had he not listened to his dopey son-in-law (a guy whose biggest moment in life prior to the White House was a cameo on Gossip Girls) and fired Comey, there’d be no Mueller investigation.

  377. DW says:

    Hillary lost because of Hillary. Period. Russians had nothing to do with her many gaffes, her fainting, her use of private email server, her treachery involving the Benghazi disaster, and so forth. If some Russians were rooting against her, their greatest allies in that regard were Hillary Clinton and the DNC who rigged her nomination.

  378. Todd McCain says:

    Even if Mueller found obstruction of justice re Comey and even if the a DEM House impeached him, there still wouldn’t be 67 Senate votes to remove him…..

  379. Robbie says:

    JC says:
    February 16, 2018 at 2:06 pm
    Where’s Robbie?
    Wasn’t this the grand moment he’s been waiting for? Lol

    – Right here. Anyone who thinks this indictment closes the investigation is sniffing some Trump fairy dust.

  380. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    February 16, 2018 at 1:03 pm
    OMG! Trump must be impeached!

    – It seems you’ve gone from “Trump is awful” during the campaign to “Trump can shoot someone on 5th avenue and I’ll still support him” now.

  381. Todd McCain says:

    I think this just about closes the Russian meddling investigation; you make a good point about the Comey firing though.

    Bannon even said it was a terrible move.

  382. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    February 16, 2018 at 1:07 pm
    Do any of those indictments include the name, Donald J. Trump?
    ……..I am still waiting.

    – Has Dear Leader Trump agreed to meet with Mueller yet?

    I’m still waiting.

  383. Todd McCain says:

    Robbie,

    No and I don’t think he will or needs to.

    The Admin has given Mueller unprecedented access to personnel and documents.

  384. SoHope says:

    “Nov. 12, 2016, the defendants organized a rally in New York to “show your support for President-elect Donald Trump” while at the same time organizing a “Trump is NOT my president rally” that also was held in New York.”

    looks to me that the Russians were just interested in causing a little Mayhem

  385. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    February 16, 2018 at 2:09 pm
    “that members of his campaign attempted to conspire with those claiming to be Russians.”
    LOL, Wobbie really is a joke.
    What was the “conspiracy” exactly?

    – Jason fraud gotta fraud I guess.

    If you weren’t Trump supporting moron, you’d know there’s no statute about collusion so any charge referring to that concept would be made as a conspiracy charge. But I realize you’re a fraud and an idiot who wouldn’t know that so I explained it for you.

    Read a little and you might not look so stupid.

  386. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    February 16, 2018 at 2:12 pm
    THIS IS OVER!!!!!!!!!

    – What are wrong answers for $1000, Alex.

  387. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    February 16, 2018 at 2:31 pm
    384. Perhaps you didn’t see Rod Rosenstein’s press coverage………

    – I did, Trump shill.

  388. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    February 16, 2018 at 2:34 pm
    385 – Todd, this does not mean Trump’s in the clear. It means that no Americans worked with these defendants.

    – Actually, the indictment said members of Trump’s campaign worked unwittingly with those who were indicted.

    At least from this filing, it could easily lead to eventual good news for Trump’s campaign since the campaign officials involved didn’t know they were working with Russians.

  389. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    February 16, 2018 at 2:38 pm
    It appears to me that RR just cleared Trump.
    He was VERY clear that no Americans wittingly helped the Russians and it did not alter the election.

    – I think if you repeat this a whole lot of times, it still won’t be true.

    Rosenstein did not clear Trump. Trump may well be cleared in due course, but today had nothing to do with Trump.

  390. Chicon says:

    402 – agreed. My point is that this is good news for Trump, but it’s not over.

  391. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    February 16, 2018 at 2:43 pm
    Even if Mueller found obstruction of justice re Comey and even if the a DEM House impeached him, there still wouldn’t be 67 Senate votes to remove him…..

    – Oh, so it’s all cool if Trump broke the law since the Senate would never remove him? Got it.

    I don’t know if Trump obstructed justice, but, if he was determined to have done so, I would not be so sure there wouldn’t be 67 votes even if Republicans still run the Senate.

    Let’s face it, most Republicans, especially in the Senate, have no use for Trump and realize their own election chances could be swamped by him.

    If he’s found to have committed a crime and Republicans think it would be better for them to dump him, I absolutely could envision many of them deciding to remove him.

  392. Messy57 says:

    398. In order to destroy American politics, it was deemed necessary to keep going after they get their shill in the White House.

    Then they went to France and tried to get that fascist bitch elected there.

    They’re at it again.

  393. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    February 16, 2018 at 2:45 pm
    I think this just about closes the Russian meddling investigation; you make a good point about the Comey firing though.
    Bannon even said it was a terrible move.

    – I don’t think this comes close to closing out the Russia meddling investigation. What about Don Jr.? What about Jared Kushner? What about Manfort? What about Rick Gates who is about to flip? What about George Papadopolous who pleaded guilty and is cooperating? What about Mike Flynn who pleaded guilty and is cooperating?

    We’ll know those who pleaded guilty have finished their work once they are sentenced, but none have been sentenced yet. Maybe that happens next week, but this investigation is not done.

    We’ll know it’s done when Mueller issues a report.

  394. Todd McCain says:

    Hey, GFY!

  395. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    February 16, 2018 at 2:46 pm
    Robbie,
    No and I don’t think he will or needs to.
    The Admin has given Mueller unprecedented access to personnel and documents.

    – Trump will eventually speak to Mueller or plead the fifth. He won’t plead the fifth because that’s political suicide so he’ll agree to testify. Not doing so would rightly give people the impression he’s got something to hide.

    At least as the Comey firing goes, he’s the central figure.

  396. Todd McCain says:

    A President has the constitutional power to fire an FBI director.

    He should have done so in the beginning for a clean slate.

  397. CG says:

    It’s not “good news” for Trump, solely because he has continued to maintain that he does not believe that Russians attempted to interfere in the election, despite the unanimous disagreement, even among his top Administration officials, and how “terrible” this is for America because it makes Putin upset, and how Trump has refused to implement the sanctions that virtually the entire Congress voted to impose.

    So, we clearly have evidence now that Russians interfered in the election, disputing what Trump has been saying for over a year.

    Now, maybe one day Mueller’s investigation will completely clear Trump of involvement personally in any collusion, but it’s still a problem for him that this crime was done against the United States and he does not seem to care at all. Is that how a completely innocent person would typically behave?

    Both FBI Directors who have worked under Trump have said he has never expressed any concern or interest in the matter of Russia interfering in our elections, even though CIA Director Pompeo, etc, is saying that Russia is still actively trying to interfere in 2018.

  398. SoHope says:

    Trump should say submit all your questions to me and writing and I will reply to them as best I can as I see fit. there’s no point in getting into a perjury trap with Mueller

  399. Todd McCain says:

    413. Agreed, but Trump I hear WANTS to talk to Mueller.

  400. DW says:

    As to affecting outcomes, the Russians interfered as much as I interfered in 1980 in the US vs. USSR olympic hockey game. And that’s pretty good since I was a kid watching the game on tape delay.

  401. DW says:

    So the FBI wasted all this time going after a dozen Russians nosing around in something they couldn’t change, while ignoring the tips given about the FL shooter.

  402. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    February 16, 2018 at 3:11 pm
    A President has the constitutional power to fire an FBI director.
    He should have done so in the beginning for a clean slate.

    – He should have done so in the beginning, but he didn’t. And then when he finally did fire Comey, he told Lester Holt in a televised interview that he fired him over the Russia story.

    Yes, the president can fire anyone in the executive branch, but he can’t fire someone simply to impeded an investigation into himself. No one is above the law.

  403. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Have to complement Mueller on producing a report that was based on the focus of his investigation, Russian interference in the U.S. election. It is an issue that we have to be concerned about, and counter.

    Saying this, have to be fair. The Americans and the CIA have a record of interfering in foreign elections. We don’t have clean hands in this regard.

  404. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    416. “Yes, the president can fire anyone in the executive branch, but he can’t fire someone simply to impeded an investigation into himself. No one is above the law.”

    The investigation was not of Trump, it was Russian interference in the election.

  405. Robbie says:

    SoHope says:
    February 16, 2018 at 3:17 pm
    Trump should say submit all your questions to me and writing and I will reply to them as best I can as I see fit. there’s no point in getting into a perjury trap with Mueller

    – First, a perjury trap only applies to those who intend to lie. If Trump simply tells the truth, then he has no reason to worry. And considering most believe a president can’t be indicted, Mueller isn’t going to go for some penny anny charge that will just get pushed to the side.

    Second, it’s almost certainly a non-starter for submitted in writing questions. We all know Trump’s lawyers would simply write the answers and there’s a chance Trump might not even know what his lawyers might write.

    I know there is the Reagan precedent from the Iran/Contra episode, but I’d be shocked if Mueller agreed to written answers.

  406. CG says:

    I think Trump’s fans cannot help but admit that they know he is incapable of not lying.

    So, that’s what this is about. They know that whatever he did, it’s something that can’t come out. I don’t know they fear a President Pence so much though.

  407. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    350. “I do think the evidence is clear (Don Jr’s own emails for one) that members of his campaign attempted to conspire with those claiming to be Russians.”

    Do you have facts to back this claim up? How are you defining “conspire.” Is talking to a Russian or accepted documents from them a conspiracy?

  408. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    February 16, 2018 at 3:32 pm
    416. “Yes, the president can fire anyone in the executive branch, but he can’t fire someone simply to impeded an investigation into himself. No one is above the law.”
    The investigation was not of Trump, it was Russian interference in the election.

    – Mueller’s mandate was Russian interference and anything that springs from the investigation. Sadly for Trump, he told Holt he fired Comey over the investigation and that has now led to an investigation over whether Trump obstructed justice. In the topics Mueller presented to Trump’s lawyers, he wants to ask Trump about the circumstances about the Comey firing and the thought process that went into Trump’s reaction and handling of the Don Jr email story.

    If Trump didn’t want the investigation to focus on him, them he shouldn’t have fired Comey over the investigation and opened himself up to charges of obstruction.

  409. CG says:

    It’s not like we didn’t all see him publicly, at a podium with cameras running, ask Wikileaks (a terrorist organization sponsored by the Russian government, that he several other times during the campaign admitted he “loved”) to hack Hillary’s emails.

    But he was “just joking.” A good laugh that can be had all..

  410. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    February 16, 2018 at 3:35 pm
    I think Trump’s fans cannot help but admit that they know he is incapable of not lying.

    – Not only Trump’s fans, but Trump’s lawyers as well.

  411. CG says:

    Well, that part goes without saying.

  412. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    February 16, 2018 at 3:35 pm
    350. “I do think the evidence is clear (Don Jr’s own emails for one) that members of his campaign attempted to conspire with those claiming to be Russians.”
    Do you have facts to back this claim up? How are you defining “conspire.” Is talking to a Russian or accepted documents from them a conspiracy?

    – We have Don Jr.’s emails that clearly show he took a meeting from people claiming to be Russian operatives promising damaging info on Hillary. And in response to the offer by the Russians, Don Jr. wrote “if it’s what you say I love it”.

    This isn’t hearsay. Don Jr released these emails on his own when the NYT was bout to blow the lid on the story.

    http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/07/politics/donald-trump-jr-full-emails/

  413. Jeff G. says:

    Robbie #387,

    Big difference. Clinton lied after taking an oath prior to a deposition. Otherwise, it would not have been investigated.

    Get informed before saying such moronic things, you half-wit.

  414. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    422. Its interesting that a few months prior to Trump firing Comey, the Democrats were demanding he be fired as well. Comey was, to put it mildly, controversial, and replacing him with another prosecutor justifiable.

  415. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “– We have Don Jr.’s emails that clearly show he took a meeting from people claiming to be Russian operatives promising damaging info on Hillary. And in response to the offer by the Russians, Don Jr. wrote “if it’s what you say I love it”.

    This isn’t hearsay. Don Jr released these emails on his own when the NYT was bout to blow the lid on the story.”

    How do you define this as a conspiracy. Campaigns are provided damaging information about their opponents all the time. It was a meeting in which documents were offered.

  416. Robbie says:

    Fortunately in Trump’s statement about the indictments, he capitalized NO COLLUSION. That means everything is ok.

  417. CG says:

    If somebody is offered “damaging information” by an agent of a hostile foreign government, they should immediately go to the FBI, instead of talking about how excited it made them.

  418. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Robbie, if someone contacts you, and tells you they have some salacious gossip about someone. If you meet with them to hear about it, is it a conspiracy?

  419. Robbie says:

    Jeff G. says:
    February 16, 2018 at 3:44 pm
    Robbie #387,
    Big difference. Clinton lied after taking an oath prior to a deposition. Otherwise, it would not have been investigated.
    Get informed before saying such moronic things, you half-wit.

    – LOL. A large majority of the Republican Party at the time, underpinned by the Evangelical Christians who now countenance Trump’s perversions, wanted Clinton to resign simply because he had an affair with an intern in the White House. The fact he lied about was imply icing on the cake.

  420. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    February 16, 2018 at 3:46 pm
    “– We have Don Jr.’s emails that clearly show he took a meeting from people claiming to be Russian operatives promising damaging info on Hillary. And in response to the offer by the Russians, Don Jr. wrote “if it’s what you say I love it”.
    This isn’t hearsay. Don Jr released these emails on his own when the NYT was bout to blow the lid on the story.”
    How do you define this as a conspiracy. Campaigns are provided damaging information about their opponents all the time. It was a meeting in which documents were offered.

    – You do know that it is against US law to accept any type of campaign contribution from a foreign government, right? Well, these people presented themselves as agents of the Russian government and offered damaging info on Hillary in hopes of sanctions reductions.

  421. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    431. “If somebody is offered “damaging information” by an agent of a hostile foreign government, they should immediately go to the FBI, instead of talking about how excited it made them.”

    Is every Russian an agent of a foreign government? I work around several Russians; should I assume they are KGB agents?

  422. JC says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    February 16, 2018 at 3:49 pm
    Robbie, if someone contacts you, and tells you they have some salacious gossip about someone. If you meet with them to hear about it, is it a conspiracy?
    ———————

    According to Robbie we should throw all journalists in jail.

  423. CG says:

    432. If you meet with them, it probably speaks poorly towards you.

  424. CG says:

    435. The email chain that Trump Jr was involved in before the meeting makes it clear they knew she was a Russian agent.

  425. CG says:

    The emails even said, “this is part of Russia’s attempt to help elect your father.”

    DJT Jr is dumb as a box of rocks, to say the least.

  426. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    February 16, 2018 at 3:49 pm
    Robbie, if someone contacts you, and tells you they have some salacious gossip about someone. If you meet with them to hear about it, is it a conspiracy?

    – This is about a foreign government offering one campaign damaging info on another. Under American law, that is illegal.

    As for “conspiracy”, that would be the legal term that actually covers what we discuss when we use the term “collusion” since there is no official crime of collusion.

  427. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    February 16, 2018 at 3:52 pm
    431. “If somebody is offered “damaging information” by an agent of a hostile foreign government, they should immediately go to the FBI, instead of talking about how excited it made them.”
    Is every Russian an agent of a foreign government? I work around several Russians; should I assume they are KGB agents?

    – I admire your efforts to minimize what Don Jr did, but those who met with Don Jr. presented themselves as agents of the Russian government and one of the attendees was a former KGB agent.

  428. Tina says:

    Is this it?

    Swampstein badly damaged mulehead.

  429. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    February 16, 2018 at 3:54 pm
    435. The email chain that Trump Jr was involved in before the meeting makes it clear they knew she was a Russian agent.

    – You’re wasting your time.

    This is a fact free zone when Trump is involved.

  430. Tina says:

    This also badky undercuts schiff for brains and his secret collusion.

  431. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    February 16, 2018 at 3:57 pm
    Is this it?
    Swampstein badly damaged mulehead.

    – Hey Tina, remember when the memo was going to destroy Mueller’s investigation?

  432. Tina says:

    Swampstein grew a pair.

    Next up os the ig report.

    Buh bue mulehead.

  433. Tina says:

    The collusion is there somewhere.

    Schiff for brains.

  434. Tina says:

    I think mulehead did get one american, possibly an illegal

    Id fraud.

    Lol, id fraud.

  435. CG says:

    443. Yeah, I realized that a while back.

    I have no idea how bad 2018 will be Republicans. Democrats have more than their own share of problems, but some folks here will turn on Trump when the carnage gets bad enough. Others may be fully Stockholmed.

  436. Tina says:

    THis is further indictment against comedy though.

    Russians interfering since 2013 or 2014. And the obumbler and comedy do nuffin.

  437. Robbie says:

    But muh memo!

  438. Tina says:

    Director wray needs to clean up the fbi.

    Glad that there have been some demotions and resignations.

    This is a mess.

  439. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    The more you and Robbie keep yapping like dogs at these media reports, you won’t have to worry about a retirement account. Putin will load you up with rubles.

  440. Tina says:

    Richard pinedo is who mulehead got on id fraud.

    He is from ca and possibly an illegal alien.

  441. CG says:

    NYC, why did you bail from the other site?

  442. Tina says:

    Her thighness paid for the russian dossier.

  443. NYCmike says:

    “443. Yeah, I realized that a while back.”

    -Make a list of the “facts” that are being ignored. Please.

  444. Tina says:

    d
    Ari Fleischer
    Ari Fleischer
    @AriFleischer
    One of the ironies of this indictment is that the Russian effort began in 2014, under the nose of Obama Admin officials, one year prior to Trump declaring his candidacy. Russians targeted Hillary, and the Administration Hillary served in failed to see it coming or to stop it.
    12:13 PM · Feb 16, 2018

    A year and a half actually. Why did not rooskie schiff stop it, or comedy, or mccabe, or obumbler, or hee thighnesss?

  445. NYCmike says:

    “NYC, why did you bail from the other site?”

    -Have not posted much at all, and the other site, if you are not there every day, is tough to respond to comments made in your direction. You have to go thru all of the threads and read them again, unless the comment is a new one.

  446. CG says:

    How about the fact that Trump continues to claim that Russia did not attempt to interfere in the election?

    We knew a year ago that everybody else in the government, including Trump’s own State Department, CIA, NSA, etc, said otherwise, and now we have formal indictments from the Justice Department.

    Is Trump wrong to say Russia had nothing to do with it and it’s bad we say otherwise, because it makes Putin upset? Should he implement the sanctions that Congress passed?

  447. CG says:

    Resolved:

    Barack Obama and Donald Trump both suck on Russia.

  448. NYCmike says:

    Also, had personnel on vacation and then another got hit with the flu, so it has been a bit of a sh*tshow.

  449. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    February 16, 2018 at 4:04 pm
    “CG”,
    The more you and Robbie keep yapping like dogs at these media reports, you won’t have to worry about a retirement account. Putin will load you up with rubles.

    – Allow me to translate from NYCmike’s Trumpese.

    “Who cares if Trump is a vile scumbag being who repeatedly cheated on his wife with a porn star, who supported a child molester in Alabama, or is under investigation for obstruction the of justice. The stock market is doing great so shut up.”

    By the way, this was the very argument Democrats used in 1998 to defend Clinton. Who cares about Lewinsky or perjury, the economy is awesome. Something tells me NYCmike didn’t buy that argument then, though.

  450. Tina says:

    How about the fact that her thighness used russian sources to creat the dossier?

  451. CG says:

    459. The system is messed up there, but it’s a little better now than a week ago. I don’t like to miss replies either, so I guess you just have to resolve to jump in the middle wherever for any given time, but you shouldn’t be afraid of the liberals there…

  452. Tina says:

    This is the drat osheot momement.

    They are so stupid and arrogant. They do not know what will hit them next.

  453. CG says:

    I am glad that Robbie and NYC are both recovering from the flu. The flu has no opinion on Trump apparently.

    (Somehow I haven’t gotten it despite not getting the shot)

  454. Tina says:

    2014

    2015

    2016

    How come the obumbler did not try to stop this? Where was comedy, mccabe, pete the cheat, the mistress, ohr, ugly ohr, unweissman, swampstein?

    Where?

  455. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    February 16, 2018 at 4:10 pm
    I am glad that Robbie and NYC are both recovering from the flu. The flu has no opinion on Trump apparently.
    (Somehow I haven’t gotten it despite not getting the shot)

    – I got the shot, but it still knocked me off my feet for seven days. Airplanes are very dirty places, especially in flu season since the air is just recirculated.

  456. Tina says:

    Legal Insurrection
    Legal Insurrection
    @LegInsurrection
    Rosenstein on Russian Indictment: No American was “knowing participant,” no allegation conduct “altered the outcome of the 2016 election”

    Boom

  457. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    February 16, 2018 at 4:11 pm
    2014
    2015
    2016
    How come the obumbler did not try to stop this? Where was comedy, mccabe, pete the cheat, the mistress, ohr, ugly ohr, unweissman, swampstein?
    Where?

    – Wait a minute, Tina. You assured me this was all a hoax. Now, you’re saying it’s not?

  458. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Actually, Obama made fun of Romney’s concerns over Russia:

    “Following the indictment of 13 Russians for interfering in the 2016 election, Jason Chaffetz said Mitt Romney’s famous 2012 warning is being proven right.

    Romney said in a 2012 presidential debate on foreign policy Moscow is the greatest geopolitical threat to the U.S. He was subsequently mocked by then-President Barack Obama, who said the “1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back.””

  459. Tina says:

    Stealth Jeff
    Stealth Jeff
    @drawandstrike
    Flynn’s case is now a BRADY case. The gov’t didn’t show the defendant exculpatory evidence before he entered a guilty plea.

    This is the EXACT SAME KIND OF MISCONDUCT that got the Cliven Bundy case tossed recently, and got the prosecutors in legal hot water.

    The judge is anti gubment too when it comes to these matters.

  460. Tina says:

    Where is the collusion?

    There is a lot of collusion going on out there.

    Schiff

  461. CG says:

    Yes, we all know that Obama sucked on Russia and is totally discredited for how he attacked Mitt Romney on the issue.

    That is why Hillary failed so miserably in being able to turn this as an issue against Trump, where there was plenty that could have been used during the campaign. The Democrats also had mixed emotions about Wikileaks, since many on the left were so friendly towards it before it became pro-Trump.

    Nonetheless, Obama is out of office now, and is not an excuse for Trump to be beholden to Russia or a stooge of Putin.

  462. Tina says:

    This judge hates gubment abuses. He could toss this and ask that the gubment reimburse flynn.

    That illegal wiretap will come in. As will sjw yates lies.

  463. Jeff G. says:

    Robbie #433,

    There would not have been an impeachment if Bill Clinton had not committed perjury. I agree that the fact that Bill Clinton was a serial philanderer would not have been good cause for his removal from office – two elections debated and settled that. The fact is Bill Clinton committed perjury – that is a good cause to seek impeachment. Trump has not committed perjury. When you have proof that Trump committed perjury, I will gladly withdraw my assertion that you are a half-wit.

  464. Tina says:

    Any alterations of the 302s by mccabe will come in.

    His statement that if we phiq flynn, we phuq trump will come in.

    This judge hates the abusea.

    I still wonder why the other judge was removed.?

  465. Tina says:

    So, from 2014-2016, what the phuq were comedy, brennan, the nsa guym and the obumbler doing?

  466. CG says:

    Let Trump testify and tell the truth.

    Sounds like an easy solution. What’s there to be afraid of?

  467. Tina says:

    ·
    24m
    Every single 1 of the ‘Brady law progeny’ the judge refers to – that are explained in the {1} footnote, has to do with the PROSECUTION WITHHOLDING EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE FROM THE DEFENDANT BEFORE A GUILTY PLEA WAS ENTERED.

  468. Tina says:

    You have to have a crime in order for somebody to testify.

    We are not a nk police state.

  469. Tina says:

    With rosenstein indicating no crime, there is no basis for him to testify.

    Trump and mulehead have been exchanging messages and the admin has given him what he wants.

  470. CG says:

    That’s one of the oddest posts I have ever seen.

    I wonder what the attorneys here think of such a standard for “testifying.”

  471. Tina says:

    Being unwittent is not a crime, unless, you are looking to frame somebody ala nazis or nk, or venezuela,.

  472. Tina says:

    By paying russians for the dossier was hilkary unwitting.

  473. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President. The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong – no collusion!
    12:18 PM · Feb 16, 2018

  474. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The strange interaction between Obama, Assange and Chelsea Manning deserves its own investigation. Wikileaks was a liberal darling until it went after Hillary.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38659068

  475. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    February 16, 2018 at 4:26 pm
    With rosenstein indicating no crime, there is no basis for him to testify.
    Trump and mulehead have been exchanging messages and the admin has given him what he wants.

    – Did your microwave tell you this?

  476. mnw says:

    Apparently Trump boinked some Playboy Playmate too.

    He could be in trouble if all the men who are envious of his experiences turn against him.

  477. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    February 16, 2018 at 4:24 pm
    You have to have a crime in order for somebody to testify.
    We are not a nk police state.

    – Oh, Tinfoil. Never change. Never change.

  478. mnw says:

    The Russians are nuts, btw. Three Stooges were smarter.

  479. Tina says:

    What is the crime that trump committed?

    The jebots claimed collusion, then obstruction, then playmate?

    Lol

  480. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    February 16, 2018 at 4:49 pm
    Apparently Trump boinked some Playboy Playmate too.
    He could be in trouble if all the men who are envious of his experiences turn against him.

    – Too bad this forum didn’t exist in the 1990’s because I would have enjoyed reading your views on Clinton and Flowers, Clinton and Jones, and Clinton an Lewinsky. I’m sure you would have held the same opinion about him screwing around as you do about Trump.

  481. Tina says:

    Drudge

    A leaker with knowledge, stilk months to go in the muh russian hoax.

    Schiff is now leaking stuff without using his name.

  482. NYCmike says:

    “Is Trump wrong to say Russia had nothing to do with it and it’s bad we say otherwise, because it makes Putin upset?”

    -The only time I have heard Trump say Russia had nothing to with it is in regards to his own campaign. If you think he is speaking about Putin/Russia in general, then it shows, once again, why you thought JEB!2016 was a viable candidate.

  483. NYCmike says:

    ” Should he implement the sanctions that Congress passed?”

    -YES!

  484. Tina says:

    We went from muh russian, muh collussion, muh obstruction, to muh papadope wore a wire, and then to muh aide, and now to muh playmate.

  485. Tina says:

    “Mueller just put Moscow on notice,” said Republican Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska. “This ought to be a wake-up call to Washington: Putin’s shadow war is aimed at undermining Americans’ trust in our institutions. We know Russia is coming back in 2018 and 2020. We have to take this threat seriously.”

    What did this twerp do since 2015?

  486. CG says:

    Trump has said numerous occasions (and he has also said the opposite on a few occasions too oddly enough)that he did not believe the Russians attempted to interfere in the election (coulda been the Chinese, coulda been a 400 lb guy on a bed, etc)

  487. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    February 16, 2018 at 4:52 pm
    What is the crime that trump committed?
    The jebots claimed collusion, then obstruction, then playmate?
    Lol

    – Bless your heart.

    He’s being investigated for obstruction of justice over his firing of Comey and his attempts to impede the investigation into his own campaign.

    Why do you think Mueller is so focused on the memo Trump had written to justify Comey’s firing or the response Trump and Hope Hicks created to explain Don Jr.’s meeting with Russians in Trump Tower?

    Why do you think Muller has spoken with Hope Hicks? Do you think he wants to gain insight on how her expertise as a fashion magazine intern helped her become White House comms director?

    Why do you think Mueller has interviewed Mark Corallo this week? According to reporting he told reporters he would tell Mueller he quit as Trump’s legal team spokesman because he believed Trump and Hicks committed obstruction of justice and didn’t want to be part of it.

  488. Tina says:

    “At this point, any step President Trump may take to interfere with the Special Counsel’s investigation — including removing Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein, or threatening to remove Special Counsel Mueller directly — will have to be seen as a direct attempt to aid the Russian government in attacking American democracy,” Nadler said in a statement.

    Yah nadler. He will remove them and tomorrow is monday.

  489. Tina says:

    MUH OBSTRUCTION.

  490. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    February 16, 2018 at 4:55 pm
    “Is Trump wrong to say Russia had nothing to do with it and it’s bad we say otherwise, because it makes Putin upset?”
    -The only time I have heard Trump say Russia had nothing to with it is in regards to his own campaign. If you think he is speaking about Putin/Russia in general, then it shows, once again, why you thought JEB!2016 was a viable candidate.

    – He’s spent the last 15 months calling the Russian investigation a hoax. Pull your head out of Trump’s rear end and get with reality.

  491. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Let Trump testify and tell the truth. Sounds like an easy solution. What’s there to be afraid of?”

    Given that blatant bias of some members of Mueller’s investigative staff, including the now resigned Peter Strzok, and issues with the FBI involvement with the Clinton campaign, believe the precedent of using written interrogatories should be done instead of an oral deposition.

    It is much better to have all answers in writing, to prevent false claims about what was said, and misinterpretation of what oral comments meant.

  492. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    February 16, 2018 at 5:00 pm
    MUH OBSTRUCTION.

    – Muh memo

    Muh Uranium One

    Muh dossier funding

    Muh Evelyn Farkas

    Muh unmasking

  493. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    Are you going to allow Robbie to make a valid comparison between Trump allegedly having consensual affairs before taking officed with Bubba Clinton’s womanizing, where people brought legal action against him, and also where one woman was much younger and an intern to the Office of the President?

    And you speak about standards of morality?

    Seriously?

  494. NYCmike says:

    “Trump has said numerous occasions (and he has also said the opposite on a few occasions too oddly enough)that he did not believe the Russians attempted to interfere in the election (coulda been the Chinese, coulda been a 400 lb guy on a bed, etc)”

    -Links to the interviews when you get a chance. I do not trust second-hand accounts from pro-mainstream-media sources.

  495. Tina says:

    Rep. Nancy Pelosi responds to special counsel indictment: “As desperately as Pres. Trump insists that the Special Counsel investigation is a ‘hoax,’ these latest indictments build on multiple guilty pleas & indictments of several Trump campaign officials.”

    Jebot lunancy here

  496. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    February 16, 2018 at 5:01 pm
    “Let Trump testify and tell the truth. Sounds like an easy solution. What’s there to be afraid of?”
    Given that blatant bias of some members of Mueller’s investigative staff, including the now resigned Peter Strzok, and issues with the FBI involvement with the Clinton campaign, believe the precedent of using written interrogatories should be done instead of an oral deposition.
    It is much better to have all answers in writing, to prevent false claims about what was said, and misinterpretation of what oral comments meant.

    – Mueller’s team isn’t biased against Trump, but you fell for the Hannity/Rush/FoxNews talking points hook, line, and sinker.

    Goebbels was right. If you tell a lie enough times, people will start to believe it.

  497. Tina says:

    There is no evidence that the russians hacked the dnc,

    That was data theft internally.

  498. NYCmike says:

    “– He’s spent the last 15 months calling the Russian investigation a hoax.”

    -As I said, in regards to his campaign, which is the only thing he could have worried about as a candidate.

  499. CG says:

    Both WJC and DJT have cheated on wives numerous times. Both have been accused of sexual assault by more than one person.

    Both are bad people. Neither should have ever been President.

    Thank you- CG (aka Consistent Genius)

  500. Tina says:

    He signed russian sanctions, thus, the claim that he said its a hoax by the jebot liars is false.

    The hoax part refers to him colluding with the russians.

    Everybody knows what he means,

    And rosenstein confirms it..

  501. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    February 16, 2018 at 5:01 pm
    “CG”,
    Are you going to allow Robbie to make a valid comparison between Trump allegedly having consensual affairs before taking officed with Bubba Clinton’s womanizing, where people brought legal action against him, and also where one woman was much younger and an intern to the Office of the President?
    And you speak about standards of morality?
    Seriously?

    – I was unaware that Clinton’s affair with Lewinsky was not consensual. She certainly never said it was and the conservatives of the 1990’s wanted him out simply because of the affair.

    And oh by the way, there are woman suing Trump for sexual assault and harassment. Maybe you could do some research on that?

    Trump, no doubt, appreciates that you’ve decided to check your integrity at the door in order to defend Trump at all costs.

  502. CG says:

    Here is just one instance of Trump saying that believed Putin when Putin said Russia did not interfere

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-i-really-believe-putin-when-he-tells-me-russia-didnt-interfere-in-the-election-2017-11

  503. Tina says:

    Muh cheating.

    Impeach him.

  504. NYCmike says:

    “Both have been accused of sexual assault by more than one person.”

    -One was accused while Governor, and before running for office, paid settlements, and the women are still going after him for the crimes they said he committed. His political party has also, finally, realized he is not a good person.

    The other one was accused AFTER he ran for office.

    The fact that you can’t tell the difference between the 2 is another reason why I can understand why you thought JEB!2016 was a viable candidate.

    You never saw an Bush-ass-grabbing-politico that you didn’t support!

  505. CG says:

    The one difference between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump when it comes to their peccadillos was that to best of my knowledge, Bill Clinton has not expressed any sort of desire to sleep with his own daughter.

  506. CG says:

    Though to be fair, Bill Clinton probably wants to bang Ivanka too.

  507. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    February 16, 2018 at 5:03 pm
    “Trump has said numerous occasions (and he has also said the opposite on a few occasions too oddly enough)that he did not believe the Russians attempted to interfere in the election (coulda been the Chinese, coulda been a 400 lb guy on a bed, etc)”
    -Links to the interviews when you get a chance. I do not trust second-hand accounts from pro-mainstream-media sources.

    – All you have to do is go back and listen to his comments at one of the debates with Clinton. He said that very thing. Try and do some research every now and then rather than just reflexively shill for Trump.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfVce4rELAY

  508. CG says:

    Clinton was accused of sexual assault as President, in the Oval Office, and of rape when he was the AR AG. You should at least know these facts.

    Trump has been accused of sexual assault too before running for public office in 2016.

    It’s a crime whether someone is in office or not of course.

  509. Tina says:

    It is time for ryan and the rinos to shut the mulehead sheot show down,

    Too expensive.

  510. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    February 16, 2018 at 5:10 pm
    “Both have been accused of sexual assault by more than one person.”
    -One was accused while Governor, and before running for office, paid settlements, and the women are still going after him for the crimes they said he committed. His political party has also, finally, realized he is not a good person.
    The other one was accused AFTER he ran for office.
    The fact that you can’t tell the difference between the 2 is another reason why I can understand why you thought JEB!2016 was a viable candidate.
    You never saw an Bush-ass-grabbing-politico that you didn’t support!

    – Let me guess. Roy Moore has to win so Trump’s accusers can be heard.

    Honestly, what you wrote is joke. You’re so desperate to shill for Trump, you’ll contort yourself into a pretzel to do it.

  511. CG says:

    The accusations of sexual assault (or harassment) against Bill Clinton were not made until after he was already President, so that completely goes against NYC’s theory. It was known that Clinton was a womanizer.

    As for Trump, he was accused publicly of sexual harassment and assault long before he ran for President, and even accused under oath of rape by his first wife, though she later recanted.

  512. Tina says:

    NBC News also reports that the Russian agents held a “Support Hillary” rally in July 2016 in Washington, DC.

    The bombshell revelations throw even more cold water on the liberal conspiracy theory that President Trump and his staff “colluded” with Russian officials to steal the election from Hillary Clinton; just one of many excuses commonly touted by the former Secretary of State following her stunning defeat.

    Fortunately, the indictment indicates the same

    Good luck getting the rooskies here.

    Very thin evidence.

  513. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    My main issue is that Mueller indicted suspects that will most likely never be extradited or face justice.

    It appears he just needed ‘Russian’ scalps for job security.

    Firing him and ending this farce would now be met with “Trump’s covering up for the Russians!” by the left.
    2:06 PM · Feb 16, 2018

    Thin.

  514. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    February 16, 2018 at 5:11 pm
    It is time for ryan and the rinos to shut the mulehead sheot show down,
    Too expensive.

    – It’s time for the sanatorium to take away your internet privileges, but that’s as likely to happen as Ryan shutting down Mueller.

  515. Tina says:

    Mulehead could have indicted some walmart trump shoppers.

    And the unwitting comment refers to a trump campaign person giving a campaign sign to a russian bot.

    Lol

  516. Robbie says:

    Erick Erickson
    ?@EWErickson

    Gonna be fun to watch the evangelicals who were breathlessly sharing @RonanFarrow’s stories on Weinstein as proof of Hollywood’s corruption now dismiss Farrow as a hack.

  517. CG says:

    The real question is who is Ronan Farrow’s actual father?

  518. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The bottom line to today’s indictments from The Hill:

    “Rosenstein noted there is no allegation in the indictment that any American had any knowledge of the alleged conspiracy, and that the Russian defendants took steps to conceal their efforts. He also said there is nothing in the indictment that concludes the effort altered the election.”

    ““They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump,” the indictment says. It says the troll farm had decided whom it was supporting by February 2016, when the primaries were getting off the ground, and it instructed its specialists to “use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump — we support them.)”

    There is nothing in them that provides evidence against the Trump.

  519. Tina says:

    John O. Brennan
    ?
    @JohnBrennan
    DOJ statement and indictments reveal the extent and motivations of Russian interference in 2016 election. Claims of a “hoax” in tatters. My take: Implausible that Russian actions did not influence the views and votes of at least some Americans.
    12:37 PM – Feb 16, 2018

    This stooge has chimed in,

  520. Tina says:

    My take, brennan tou need to explain why you fed the dossier to the cia and dos.

  521. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    My impression is the trolls are in a tizzy and building imaginary sand castles of conspiracy because they realize that — the truth is there is nothing there.

  522. Tina says:

    Ronna McDaniel
    Ronna McDaniel
    @GOPChairwoman
    ·
    15m
    It’s crystal clear there was no collusion and the Russians were unsuccessful in their attempts to influence the results of the election. However, we can’t ignore that Russians targeted our democratic system and that can never be allowed to happen again.

    Hopefully, trump can stop them as opposed to the obumbler, her thighness cartel.

  523. Tina says:

    Ryan Saavedra ??
    @RealSaavedra
    ·
    15m
    Former FBI official says that this screw up isn’t really on Christopher Wray, the changes made at the FBI about how they receive tips which caused this problem happened under James @Comey’s “leadership.”
    FoxNewsInsider
    @FoxNewsInsider
    Former FBI Official: Mishandling of Tip About FL Shooter Is ‘Unforgivable’ @TeamCavuto (link: http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/16/fbi-mishandled-tip-about-florida-school-shooter-nikolas-cruz-former-agent-reacts) insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/16/fb

    One more reason why comedys reign of the fbi was a disaster.

  524. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    512. “– Mueller’s team isn’t biased against Trump, but you fell for the Hannity/Rush/FoxNews talking points hook, line, and sinker.

    Goebbels was right. If you tell a lie enough times, people will start to believe it.”

    Robbie, do you actually BELIEVE the nonsense you post? Read any of the Peter Strzok Emails?

  525. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    541. “Goebbels was right. If you tell a lie enough times, people will start to believe it.”

    You may be the exception.

  526. Tina says:

    Gonna be fun to watch how many 12 ounce cuts of prime rib eric the red devours. In an hour.

  527. DW says:

    I was 9 years old, but I hollered at my TV set while watching on tape delay the USA/USSR hockey game in 1980 when Buzz Schneider fired that 35 foot slap-shot at Soviet goaltender Tretiak, who missed it with a glove-save attempt. My hollering distracted Tretiak, so I colluded to influence the outcome of the game.

  528. CG says:

    It’s just funny how if 24 hours ago, somebody would have predicted that Mueller would indict a bunch of Russians for interfering in the election for the benefit of Trump, the prediction would have roundly denounced as “impossible” and “crazy” by his fans here.

    Now, that it has happened, it is “great news” for Trump, as anything ever is for Trump based on those who feel they must remain loyal to him.

    Whatever anything in the future might come out or happen with this whole investigation, it will be “great news” for Trump.

    “This is PROOF he didn’t kill Jon-Benet Ramsey. It’s Ovah! BOOM!”

  529. Phil says:

    As far as the Mueller indictments today and what it all means we all need to all just wait until Jimmy Kimmel sorts it out tonight in his nightly monologue. Jimbo will explain it all to us. Can’t wait.

  530. Tina says:

    Will kimbel ask for a bj or cry?

  531. Tina says:

    It is just funny that the jebots never mentiion hillary colluding with the russians over the dossier.

  532. NYCmike says:

    https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/gardner-under-fire-for-undercutting-2018-senate-gop-campaigns/

    -“CG” and Robbie speak about Trump and Russia.

    This is more important, in my humble opinion.

  533. Phil says:

    Oh he’ll cry. It’s Jimbo’s M O.

  534. CG says:

    NYC is becoming an actual parody.

    The duly elected Senator from Colorado disagreeing with him on an immigration bill is “more important” than a hostile foreign government interfering in American elections.

    NYC must think he is an awfully important person.

  535. Tina says:

    He used to ask for bjs back in the day,

    But now he is a family man.

  536. Tina says:

    MAGA Thunder
    @MAGA_Thunder
    Poor little self-loathing, racist, illiberal Leftists who hate America and Americans. They can’t even process what today meant.#NoCollusion
    2:25 PM – Feb 16, 2018

  537. Tina says:

    Now only if the fbi did their jobs.

    Follow up on warnings.

    End text messages between one agent and his mistress.

    If only….

  538. Phil says:

    Collusiion, baby!

  539. CG says:

    “Based on today’s indictments, it is clear that President Donald Trump DID NOT poison the water supply in Flint, MI.”

    #nopoisoning #cleanwatercleantrump #fakenewsfakewater #ovah #hannity #boom

  540. Tina says:

    1h
    Suck it, MSNBC
    MSNBC
    @MSNBC
    ‘There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election’

  541. Tina says:

    That mslsd tweet got past the politburo censors?

  542. Tina says:

    Jebots had a bad day today.

  543. Phil says:

    I’m sorry, but there is nothing in today’s indictments that exonerates Trump from poisoning the Flint water supply. Trump still definitely a suspect.

  544. CG says:

    I am anticipating the reaction to the future indictments.

    We all know Flint would have been better off if they were drinking “Trump Water.”

  545. Tina says:

    I am anticipating what haooens when hillary is indicted.

    How many jebots will cry?

  546. CG says:

    Just think, if it were two years ago and the primaries were going on, Trump would have gotten to blame the horrific Florida school shootings on Ted Cruz’s son.

    And of course, Sen. Cruz would have eventually gotten over it, because the other side are the liberals.

  547. Tina says:

    Scott Adams
    Scott Adams
    @ScottAdamsSays
    ·
    25m
    President Trump persuaded Russia to work with the U.S. to fight ISIS. Secretary Clinton persuaded Russia to attack the United States to keep her out of office. Who performed better?

  548. Tina says:

    Buck Sexton
    Buck Sexton
    @BuckSexton
    Rosenstein: “Some Russian trolls meddled in the election.”
    Democrats: “See! Yes! Listen to the DOJ.”
    Rosenstein: “It didnt change the outcome, and there was no Trump collusion”
    Democrats: “well obviously DOJ has no idea what they’re talking about”

  549. Tina says:

    Srumpf threatened rosenstein.

    See, see me must impeach

    Jebots and schiff for brains.

  550. Tina says:

    etweeted
    Max Blumenthal
    Max Blumenthal
    @MaxBlumenthal
    ·
    2h
    Grasping at straws, Mueller indicts employees of a Russian troll farm for buying online ads that included cute puppy and Superman Jesus images. According to Facebook, 56% of the ads appeared after the 2016 election and 25% were seen by no one. Another farce propels Cold War 2.0

    Just a minor little detail.

  551. Tina says:

    ??
    @Cernovich
    ·
    2h
    Imagine if the FBI worked as hard to protect children as it did trying to get Hillary Clinton elected.

  552. Tina says:

    He cannot call it a hoax.

    This is the newest drat talking point from drat central.

  553. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trolls take heart — Romney announced his senate candidacy today, and you know he will take on Trump.

    “MARRIOTT-SLATERVILLE, Weber County — Over a plate of oversized buttermilk pancakes, Mitt Romney said Friday he’s running for Senate because he wants to be “in the fight” and supports President Donald Trump’s policy agenda.

    “I’m in the fight. Just because you don’t get promoted to general doesn’t mean you stop fighting. There are things I believe in very deeply,” the 2012 GOP presidential nominee exclusively told the Deseret News in his first interview as a candidate.”

  554. Walt says:

    #565 is funny.

  555. Cash Cow TM says:

    Ok.
    Muller investigation is now over.

    When we starting the next investigation?

    ***********
    Btw, Costa Rica does have beautiful bitches…err…beaches.

  556. Cash Cow TM says:

    Was Robbie one of the Americans the Russians hired to sew dissention during the election?
    How about ProudObamaCon?

    Do we need another special investigator to investogate the FBI failing to stop school shooters after being contacted and warned several times?

    Or maybe if Walt knew any Russians.
    Say…he did date that one gal back in 1969 who had Russian parents and who spoke Ruski at home…

  557. mnw says:

    My greatest hope is that Mueller attempts to indict Trump before the GE.

    Red wave.

    I don’t think our trolls have ever stopped to consider how that would play in red states like MO.

    I want what they want!

  558. mnw says:

    Somebody at RRH posted that Gravis is supposed to release. PA-18 poll this weekend, btw.

  559. JC says:

    Lol. One of the figure skaters is performing to Game of Thrones.

  560. mnw says:

    JC

    How are you tonight?

    I think we’re the only ones here.

  561. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “mschlapp on Mueller indictment: “This is not worth a year of the country’s time over everything else that we have to deal with…these charges of Russian collusion, it’s clearly been ridiculous and not true.””

    So after spending millions of dollars and a year investigation, we have just indicted 13 bot makers and trolls; almost all of whom are no longer within U.S. jurisdiction.

  562. Bitterlaw says:

    I have to agree with Robbie on one point. If Obama had been accused of what liberals claim Trump did, most of us would accept it at face value. As Cash Cow knows, outrage depends upon whose ox is gored.

    Of course, Robbie would be more credible if he had ever condemned Obama as vehemently as he does Trump.

    “But Bitter, Obama did everything he was ever accused of and more. Trump is perfect in every way….in 3…2…1…”

    Suck it. None of us is objective.

  563. jason says:

    So in the end Mueller had nothing.

    A few internet scammers who will never be extradited.

  564. Bitterlaw says:

    Before anybody says it, I am not saying that I believe Trump colluded with anybody. I do believe that he is a scumbag in his personal life. Both can be true.

  565. Bitterlaw says:

    Michael D Pioneers? @formmb · 10h10 hours ago

    So in a week the furor over Florida will die down and people will move on. The GOP counts on that so they can, once again, do nothing. Come November, do not let them get away with it – again.

    MD is now anti-gun. Maybe Jul can buy his guns from him.

  566. Wobbles says:

    I AM FREAKING PISSED.

    THE RUSSIANS DIDN’T ATTACK JEB.

    WHY, HE WASN’T GOOD ENOUGH FOR THOSE BASTARDS?

    THEY SAW WHAT EVERYONE ELSE SAW, JEB WAS A JOKE OF A CANDIDATE?

    RUSSIANS, GFYs.

  567. JC says:

    @mnw

    Just shaking my head at the terrible performance USA has been showing so far at the Olympics.

    The summer Olympics are so much better.

  568. jason says:

    So Wobbie admits there is no collusion but he thinks Trump obstructed no collusion.

    Okayy……

  569. Hugh says:

    596. I agree. Bitter you should be nicer to me

  570. jason says:

    to explain Don Jr.’s meeting with Russians in Trump Tower?”

    Zzzzzz…. this meeting was the biggest snoozer of all time.

    Everyone agrees no collusion of any kind resulted from this meeting.

  571. jason says:

    ” If Obama had been accused of what liberals claim Trump did, most of us would accept it at face value.”

    Bitter is back with his fake equivalencies.

    This is garbage.

    Speak for yourself, if deadenders had come up with this crap against Obama, I would have called them on it.

  572. Wobbles says:

    The Russians knew in 2014 that Trump was going to run.

    It’s all part of the conspiracy.

    No, Trump didn’t know he was going to run, but the Russians did.

  573. jason says:

    When you have proof that Trump committed perjury, I will gladly withdraw my assertion that you are a half-wit.”‘

    Even if Trump admits he is actually a genetically modified Adolph Hitler, Wobbie is still a half wit.

  574. jason says:

    “There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election’

    Of course, we all knew that already.

  575. jason says:

    White nationalists are morons, but apparently smart enough to troll the MSM, who want so much to believe…

    “Following misrepresentations by a white nationalist leader and coordinated efforts by internet trolls, numerous researchers and media outlets spread a seemingly false claim that the man charged with killing more than a dozen people at a Florida high school belonged to an extremist group.

    Law enforcement agencies say they have no evidence so far to support this claim, and the rumor appears to have been perpetrated by white nationalist trolls themselves.

    On Thursday afternoon, the Anti-Defamation League reported that a white supremacist group claimed ties with Nikolas Cruz, who confessed to the shooting spree that killed at least 17 people, including many high-school students, at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

    “A spokesperson for the white supremacist group Republic of Florida (ROF) told the Anti-Defamation League on Thursday, February 15, that Nikolas Cruz [….] was associated with his group,” the ADL reported. The ADL quoted a man named Jordan Jereb, who runs the small group, which is based in Tallahassee.

    “Jereb added that ROF had not ordered or wanted Cruz to do anything like the school shooting,” the ADL wrote in a blog post that was quickly picked up by ABC News and The Associated Press, and later percolated through dozens of other media outlets. Even The Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi website, picked up the claim.

    Some outlets reported they had their own conversations with Jereb or classmates of Cruz who allegedly corroborated the association of Cruz with ROF.

    But a few hours later, after law enforcement agencies said they had no evidence linking Cruz to ROF, Jereb said his identification of Cruz was a “misunderstanding” and that he, too, had been the subject of a “prank.” On online forums and Twitter, trolls and white nationalists gloated at the disinformation they had sowed.”

  576. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    586. “Before anybody says it, I am not saying that I believe Trump colluded with anybody. I do believe that he is a scumbag in his personal life. Both can be true.”

    I can in some ways agree to that, but also have to say he is devoted to and has the loyalty of his children. A lot of fathers cannot make that claim.

  577. jason says:

    Others may be fully Stockholmed.”

    This from someone who thought Jeb Bush was a viable candidate for President.

    I love this place.

  578. Bitterlaw says:

    DC

  579. Bitterlaw says:

    I can in some ways agree to that, but also have to say he is devoted to and has the loyalty of his children. A lot of fathers cannot make that claim.

    He treats his children better than his wives? I guess that’s something.

  580. jason says:

    I do believe that he is a scumbag in his personal life.”

    I remember when Bitter said it didn’t matter what people did in their personal life as long as they were the Eagles QB.

    His stndards are obviously higher for President.

    I love this place.

  581. Bitterlaw says:

    Bitter is back with his fake equivalencies.

    Zzzzzzz. Jason never found proof of the “fake equivalancies” from the other night.

  582. Chicon says:

    Bitter, how’s the job?

  583. jason says:

    He treats his children better than his wives?”

    I haven’t read anything where he mistreated his wives.

  584. Bitterlaw says:

    I remember when Bitter said it didn’t matter what people did in their personal life as long as they were the Eagles QB.

    Zzzzzzzzzz. I called Vick a scumbag at the time. I wish he had won a Super Bowl with the Eagles to save me years of suffering.

    On the other hand, Nick Foles has said he wants to be a pastor. Carson Wentz openly praises God in his life. Many Eagles players have Bible study together. How is this possible? Jason said that NFL teams would never accept players of faith on the roster.

  585. jason says:

    My reservations about Trump never had anything to do with his family, and as far as I am concerned none of the allegations that he assaulted anyone have been proven.

  586. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Another one of Obama’s Solyndra-type green boondoggles has been exposed:

    “Former President Barack Obama’s administration started funding the Texas Clean Energy Project in 2010 as part of an effort to prove the commercial viability of carbon capture and storage technology. However, the project suffered from delays and massive cost overruns.
    The Energy Department signed a $1.7 billion cooperative agreement with developer Summit, pumping about $116 million into the project by early 2016. The clean coal project remains unbuilt, and Summit filed for bankruptcy in October 2017.
    The Energy Department pulled out of the cooperative agreement shortly after a 2016 inspector general audit questioned the clean coal project’s viability, but not before bureaucrats approved millions in questionable reimbursements.
    The inspector general “identified over $2.5 million in expenditures Summit charged to the Project that we questioned as potentially unallowable, including over $1.2 million in potential lobbying costs and $1.3 million in questionable or prohibited travel-related expenses.”
    “For example, we identified over $650,000 in consultant charges for items such as a spa service, alcohol, first-class travel, limousine services, receipts in foreign currency, and business meals that were prohibited or not fully substantiated,” the inspector general reported.
    “We also identified about $325,000 in costs that did not appear to be business-related expenses such as catering and banquet room rental expenses, catering on a private jet, and travel expenses to attend a charity event,” reads the report.”

  587. Bitterlaw says:

    I haven’t read anything where he mistreated his wives.

    I placed serial adultery in the category of mistreatment.

    Sue me.

  588. jason says:

    Jason said that NFL teams would never accept players of faith on the roster.”

    I guess you have to lie about what I said to make your point, that says something about your point.

    What I said was that Tim Tebow’s wearing his religion on his sleeve hurt his career. I think that is as obvious as the fact that Kaepernicks political stance has hurt his career.

    Considering he played on 3 NFL teams only an idiot would say he would “never be accepted on a roster”.

  589. jason says:

    “serial adultery”

    Zzzzzzz…..

  590. Bitterlaw says:

    “serial adultery”

    Zzzzzzz…..

    Is Jason actually doubting that Trump cheated on his wives? That’s usually how he gets the next wife.

  591. Bitterlaw says:

    What I said was that Tim Tebow’s wearing his religion on his sleeve hurt his career to the point where he would “never be accepted on a roster”again.

    I fixed it for Jason. He must have forgotten the posts he made where unnamed sources said that NFL owners did not want him on their teams because of the distraction caused by his open faith.

  592. Bitterlaw says:

    Why is Jason being so contentious towards me lately? That’s Mr. Vito’s gig.

  593. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Democrats, despite not yet offering any credible threat to the Republican dominance in Utah, answered with a scathing rebuke, dismissing Romney’s periodic criticisms of Trump. “Mitt Romney desperately wants to separate himself from the extremism of the current administration,” said Democratic National Committee spokesman Vedant Patel in a statement, but “the basis policies of Trump’s GOP … were his before they were Donald Trump’s.””

    Duh.

  594. Tina says:

    I never admit that my candidate, hillary, paid for the dossier, which used russian sources.

    I am concerned about the port star.

    Jebot

  595. Tina says:

    If trump is impeached, hillary becomes President.

    I am for this

    Jebot.

  596. Tina says:

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    Fun w/ Numbers: Mueller’s Russia Hoax

    Russians indicted: 13
    GOP on Muellers SC: 0
    SC costs over: 7,000,000
    Mueller SC members fired: 2
    Process & UNRELATED crimes: 4
    Russia Investigations in Congress: 4
    Days since SC Mueller appointed: 272
    Evidence of Trump colluding w/ Russia: 0

    $7 million in costs? For this sheot show?

  597. Tina says:

    Nick Short ??
    Nick Short ??
    @PoliticalShort
    I thought it was a crime to lie to the FBI? How is it that Christopher Steele has yet to be indicted when he has committed the very same crime for which both George Papadopoulos and Michael Flynn were charged?

    And hillary who lied about the russian dossier for a year?

  598. jason says:

    Why is Jason being so contentious towards me lately?”

    You are still my favorite A-hole.

    * anyone who says its the gayest post of the day is probably right.

  599. jason says:

    Hillary hasn’t been indicted because she is a Democrat. This isn’t rocket science.

  600. Cash Cow TM says:

    Today was a good day for one of my peeps…

    DRUDGE
    Cow escapes slaughter, busts through fence, breaks farmer’s arm, swims off to an island…

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cows-escapes-slaughterhouse-poland-rams-fence-swims-island-lake-nysa-a8214266.html

  601. jason says:

    Here we go, courtesy of Instapundit..

    “One side wants to ban guns. The other wants to triple the number of guns. A reasonable compromise is a 50% increase in guns.”

  602. MichiganGuy says:

    Republican Kevin Cramer announces bid to challenge Heitkamp for Senate in North Dakota

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/16/republican-kevin-cramer-announces-bid-to-challenge-heitkamp-for-senate-in-north-dakota.html
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    Yes!

  603. MichiganGuy says:

    2018 Kansas Governor Republican Primary:
    .
    Jeff Colyer 23%
    Kris Kobach 21%
    Jim Barnett 8%
    Wink Hartman 5%
    Mark Hutton 3%
    Ken Selzer 3%
    Undecided 37%
    .
    http://media.kansascity.com/livegraphics/2018/pdf/KS-GOP-Primary-Survey021518.pdf

  604. MichiganGuy says:

    Republican campaign arm intensifies incumbent protection efforts

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article200450379.html
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    Nice to see the Republicans being proactive.

  605. Mr.Vito says:

    “…where unnamed sources said that NFL owners…”

    just for the record, they were not unnamed…

  606. Bitterlaw says:

    To clarify the record, some NFL sources were unnamed.

  607. Wes says:

    Now that Kevin Cramer is FINALLY in the race to challenge Heidi Heitkamp, Republicans may be able to recapture a Senate seat Dems have held continuously since 1960.

    Ironically Heitkamp may have both brought this on herself and sharpened Cramer’s campaign skills in 2014. That year, as Cramer was gearing up for reelection, Heitkamp made a number of disparaging remarks against him and was instrumental in wooing State Sen. George B. Sinner, son of former Governor George A. Sinner, into the race in hopes of beating him.

    Cramer immediately went on the attack and systematically dismantled Sinner, beating him 55-38. Having seen their best available candidate clobbered, Dems promptly raised the white flag, and in 2016 Cramer won reelection 69-27.

    He’s earned his stripes. He won’t be another Rick Berg, and I’m not sure Heitkamp has a realistic chance against a solid opponent who’s won three times by double digits in a state trending solidly rightward.

  608. Wes says:

    The Left is now attacking Burr and Tillis for their connections to the NRA.

    I have news for them: In no way is the NRA a negative in North Carolina.

    Kay Hagan learned that when the NRA rallied strongly against her in 2014 and helped Tillis get mammoth margins in the rural and exurban areas of the state.

    If the Left wants Tillis to win reelection comfortably in 33 months, then I’d advise continuing this line of attack.

  609. Wes says:

    How to really undermine your own candidate:

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/democrats-digging-for-info-on-republican-josh-hawleys-wife/

    Leave the candidates’ families out of the campaigns, idiots.

  610. Tina says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-russian-indictments-1518825574

    Where were clapper and brennan when the russians were interfering in the election?

  611. Tina says:

    MARK SIMONE
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    @MarkSimoneNY
    Breaking : Mueller Indicts 987 Mainstream Media Journalists, Anchors and Columnists, Attempted To Sway Every US Presidential Election Towards Democrats. Ran 1000’s of very slanted stories in 2015 and 2016 leading up to that election. #Mueller #MuellerInvestigation
    3:00 PM – Feb 16, 2018

  612. Tina says:

    Since Flynn entered his guilty plea, we’ve learned that information Mr. Comey leaked deliberately to “trigger” Robert Mueller’s entire investigation was classified. Also, FBI agents Peter Strzok, Lisa Page and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe were working on an “insurance policy” to protect the country against a Trump presidency. It seems plausible that this “insurance policy” included the appointment of a special prosecutor.

  613. Tina says:

    Watching guilty pleas evaporate is nothing new for Mr. Mueller’s favored lieutenant Andrew Weissmann. Along with his Enron Task Force comrade Leslie Caldwell, Weissmann terrorized Arthur Andersen partner David Duncan into pleading guilty. (RELATED: Meet The Very Shady Prosecutor Robert Mueller Has Hired For The Russia Investigation)

    Weissmann and Caldwell made Duncan testify at length against Arthur Andersen when they destroyed the company and 85,000 jobs only to be reversed by a unanimous Supreme Court three years later. Turns out, the “crime” they “convinced” Mr. Duncan to plead guilty to was not a crime at all. The court allowed Duncan to withdraw his plea. And, that was not the only Weissmann-induced plea to be withdrawn either. Just ask Christopher Calger.

    Last two losts were from that article.

  614. Tina says:

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    Question.

    IF Trump was going to collude with Russia to steal the election, wouldn’t he have known about these 13 Russian Bots and colluded with them? How could he be colluding with Russia and NOT know about them?

    No collusion.

    Any answer from the jebot losahs?

  615. mnw says:

    Wes 633

    RE: Hawley

    Thx for posting. Pretty appalling.

    David Brock Superpac, in private latter to its donors last year: “We will make it very painful to run as a Republican.”

    No wonder the GOP has had candidate recruitment problems.

  616. Messy57 says:

    571. Apparently it did.

    640. Nope. Not by name at any rate. BTW, there were over a hundred thousand bots. However, there is a slight chance he’d heard of the Internet Research Agency (IRA).

    The next batch of indictments will probably show how IRA and Fancy Bear conspired with each other.

    637. Flynn has been cooperating for months. If the magical article were true, Mueller would indict him and his son for treason and a few dozen other things.

  617. Messy57 says:

    639. More magical thinking Tina. Is the IRA indictment a fraud? if not, then your whole theory disintigrates.

  618. mnw says:

    Messy 642

    You apparently have NO idea what a judicial finding of prosecutorial misconduct would mean!

    “Oh, since that federal judge found that we withheld exculpatory evidence in violation of the court’s order, & referred us to OPR for our professional misconduct, why then we’ll just indict the target of our tainted investigation for some other offenses!”

    Is that how Messy thinks it works?

  619. mnw says:

    Well, at least Tina can SPELL “disintegrates,” Messy!

  620. mnw says:

    Disintigrates (sic) vs. Kindergarden (sic) Kid:

    Which one wins the Super Bowl for comic illiteracy?

  621. Tina says:

    probably show how IRA and Fancy Bear conspired with each other.

    637. Flynn has been cooperating for months. If the magical article were true, Mueller would indict him and his son for treason and a few dozen other things.

    You forgot collusion…

    Lol, you have no idea what the phuq you are talking about.

  622. Tina says:

    The bots had no impact in the election. They went after all sides and if correct, planned this since even before 2014. Way before trump was the candidate or president,

    This is on your sick gang of her thighness, who paid for the russian dossier, obama, comedy, brennan, and clapper.

  623. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
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    Shouldn’t #Mueller also indict Lisa Bloom and Gloria Allred for manufacturing no-show “defendants” against Trump days before the election?

    Can the muh russian jebots reply?

  624. mnw says:

    Tina

    A judicial finding of professional misconduct is the kiss of death for an attorney’s career.

    Messy/disintigrates doesn’t GET that. Disintigrates* (sic) seems to think getting hit with that H-bomb just means… you just need to start over!

    * Query: how the hell do you sneak a boner like “disintigrates” past Spellcheck? Do the trolls disable it somehow?

  625. Tina says:

    Mnw, we wil see what happens re flynn. The requests by the judge appears unusual.

    I believe he is the judge that tossed the matter involving former AK Senator Stevens and sanctioned the prosecution.

    The key thing is whether the wiretap on flynn was legal. The conversation he had was legal. An incoming admin sets policy, contrary to radical sjw yates belief. She drove this and mccabe, mad at flynn over flynn procing a letter against him and in favor of the agent he harassed, is what brought it on.

  626. Tina says:

    i am sure the judge will soon be made aware of the illegal wiretap, comedy declaring under oath that flynn never lied, pete the cheat, who had a host of biases against trump, also stated flynn did not lie, etc.

    Imo, it is clear that flynn was targeted because of the letter against mccabe as well as the fact that he stated the obumblers isis policy was terrible.

    I am also wondering if you tube rice flipped with her last second email. I am sure grassley knows the answers to the questions he posed.

    All the action will now be on horowitz. Mulehead promises a big bang, but yesterday was a dud.

  627. Tina says:

    And on flynn, notice how there is a missing gap of texts. Gee, you think they cover discussions between pete the cheat and the mistress over flynn?

  628. Tina says:

    Of concern for all of us, jebots included, is the poor performance of the fbi. This has been a long time coming since the 1990s. However, the presidents fail to nominate a cop in this position.

    No offense to a lawyar, but they have had a recent history of not doing well in the position.

    Just my 2 cents.

  629. mnw says:

    Tina 652

    Not sure I agree about “the key thing.”

    To me, “the key thing” is whether the Flynn prosecutors complied with their Brady and Giglio obligations, or not.

    If NOT… then say a big “Howdy!” to… Cliven Bundy… and Senator Ted Stevens, General Flynn!

  630. Tina says:

    Key thing, that i have an issue with re his prosecution. Over a non criminal conversation with his russian counterpaet, soon to be.

  631. Tina says:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/russian_investigation_offers_a_ludicrous_indictment.html

    Excerpt:

    Rosenstein noted that the Russians had posted 176,000 tweets in ten weeks, and that 50,258 accounts had been created and tweeted a million times. The tweets presumably were slanted with anti-Hillary bias. The “interference” began during the nomination season, and the Russians, according to Rosenstein (the reader will please excuse my skepticism), preferred Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump. To put this tweet threat in perspective, the reader should know that there are 500 million tweets on average generated every day on Twitter. If the total number of Russian tweets were concentrated on one day, that would still come to only 0.00352% of all the tweets on that day. If it were one million tweets over a five-month period, that would come to 0.0000235% of all tweets over that period. What an impact those tweets must have had!

  632. jason says:

    This IS interesting….

    “Judge Sullivan is the perfect judge to decide General Flynn’s motion. The judicial hero of my book, Emmet Sullivan held federal prosecutors in contempt for failing to disclose evidence, dismissed the corrupted prosecution of Alaska Senator Ted Stevens and appointed a special prosecutor to investigate the Department of Justice.”

    The flip side is that if he allows it go forward nobody can complain he is biased in favor of the government.

  633. jason says:

    Is Jason actually doubting that Trump cheated on his wives? That’s usually how he gets the next wife.”

    This affair supposedly happened in 2006, and he is still married to Melania.

    Zzzzzzzzz…..

  634. jason says:

    MARRIOTT-SLATERVILLE, Weber County — Over a plate of oversized buttermilk pancakes, Mitt Romney said Friday he’s running for Senate because he wants to be “in the fight” and supports President Donald Trump’s policy agenda.”

    So Mitt Romney is smarter than both Wobbie and Corey and has learned to move on from Never-Trumpism.

    He thinks the country is more important than what Trump did or didn’t do in 2006 and more important than whatever was said about Mika’s face.

    Romney is a good man, too bad is isn’t President.

  635. Messy57 says:

    645, 646. the way to go after someone you know is right is to attack spelling.

    There is no Flynn motion. BTW, Flynn and the judge know that his withdrawing his guilty plea would violate the “queen for a day” agreement and everything he said would be used against him.

  636. Wobbles says:

    Breaking : Mueller Indicts 987 Mainstream Media Journalists, Anchors and Columnists, Attempted To Sway Every US Presidential Election Towards Democrats. Ran 1000’s of very slanted stories in 2015 and 2016 leading up to that election. #Mueller #MuellerInvestigation”

    Now I am worried… will he indict those that mindlessly regurgitated all this garbage here?

    Is low IQ a good defense?

  637. jason says:

    645, 646. the way to go after someone you know is right is to attack spelling.”

    Translation: I should be given a pass because I am an ignorant moron.

  638. jason says:

    and everything he said would be used against him.”

    Zzzzzz…

    Everything he said WAS used against him.

  639. jason says:

    Here is why Messy is upset:

    “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity,” he said. “There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.”

  640. jason says:

    Given the “attacks” on other candidates too, and the support for “anti-Trump” rallies after the election, it seems more likely the Russian effort was to seed dissension and disrupt the process than any concerted effort to elect Trump.

    Trump, and Sanders for that matter, were just better vehicles for that, as opposed to “mainstream” candidates like Clinton and Rubio.

    In the end, seems more amateurish than professional. Even with a total budget of $1 million a month, if that is true, that was nothing compared to what Hillary had available.

  641. mnw says:

    Messy/Disintigrate (sic) 662

    Absolutely wrong, once again.

    Did you finish Hign School? Serious question. Because, I mean, you are the most blithely ignorant troll we’ve ever had!

    Look, I’ve been a lawyer longer than you’ve been alive, & I’m not going to sit here and parse ALL of your inanities. However…

    What you call “queen for a day”* (a phrase federal prosecutors stopped using 20 yrs ago, btw) I assume refers to Flynn’s proffer letter and plea agreement.

    If the judge DISMISSES the case because of prosecutorial misconduct, those contracts are a nullify. They no longer exist legally.

    The ONLY way “all Flynn’s statements could be used against him” is if he were re-tried on the ORIGINAL case, and if he also TESTIFIED at trial to something different from (and also material to) what he said in his proffer statement. Then & only then could his proffer be used for impeachment, & ONLY the portion of that which directly contradicts his sworn testimony at trial.

    Other than THAT, you got everything right, Disintigrate (sic)!

    Yeah, I’m really afraid of you because I “know you’re right.”

    *The phrase “queen for a day” is still used by journos who don’t know it’s antique. Plus, I guess it sounds cutesy.

  642. mnw says:

    sb “nullity”

  643. jason says:

    Wow, mnw just cut messy a new a-hole.

    Best takedown of the date but its early.

  644. jason says:

    Day not date.

  645. Nostradamus says:

    I predict Messy never finished high school.

  646. Mr.Vito says:

    “I predict Messy never finished high school.”

    finished or finishes?

  647. Messy57 says:

    665. not yet it wasn’t.
    666. the key phrase: “There is no allegation in this indictment…”

    The theory of the Trump defense was this: There was no meddling. The Comey firing was primarily to prevent the indictment issued yesterday. HR McMaster, the president’s National Security Advisor says that it’s been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that there was meddling.

    The indictment is the core of the situation. Was there meddling by a foreign power? Yes. Was it Russia? yes. That is from where everything else flows.

    Was the DNC hacked? yes. Was the Clinton campaign hacked? yes. Trump defenders have from time to time claim that the Democrats did it themselves.

    Defenders claim that Steele made up the dossier out of his own head and this is what is the point of the Nunes memo. Having been paid by the Clinton campaign, Steele allegedly wrote a work of fiction, and therefore the evidence used to renew the FISA warrant was invalid.

    From everything I read, he believed every word.

    The “Steele dossier is a work of fiction” theory is what’s also behind the alleged Flynn thing in the Daily Caller and the American Thinker.

    What this “ignorant moron” knows and what apparently YOU don’t, is that good opposition research is TRUE. Genuine facts are far more powerful than fake news. While stuff like “pizzagate” can get some moron to shoot up a place, genuine dirt can destroy a person’s career.

    The Comey/Strzok letter, which got Trump elected, was 100% true. If there was a conspiracy in the FBI to stop Trump, WHY not keep it secret until, say, the day after the election?

    The IRA troll farm, from what I can tell from the indictment, was considered by the listed contacts in the Trump campaign to be in St.Petersburg, Kansas and was run by a superpac. If that was so, then it would be totally legal.

    But it wasn’t. It was in St. Petersburg, Russia. They thus had to commit crimes.

    The question of meddling has been settled. IT HAPPENED.

    Now as to Trump, he of course didn’t have a day-to-day contact with the Russians during the campaign, he was too busy doing his stand-up routine. He also thought he was going to lose.

    There was no reason for him personally to collude after the Convention. The question which will be answered in later indictments, is who knew what about the hacking of the DNC and who among the Trump campaign knew which Russians had it. This was in the spring, when Trump stopped being a joke.

    The fact that some in the Trump campaign knew that Russian hackers had robbed the DNC in the Spring has been proven. Donald JR knew the Russians had dirt on Clinton and he admitted it.

    He didn’t know precisely what it was, nor did he HAVE TO. Trump knows what the Russians have on him, he didn’t have to be reminded…But then there was Manafort, Gates and Flynn.

    The thing is mostly the cover-up. If Trump thought this was a witch hunt, then why did he run around with a proverbial pointy hat and broom?

    The collusion was done in code: The Trump tower meeting in June was “this is what we want done.”

    The answer was in the Republican platform, when they excised the pro-Ukraine clause. “You got it.”

    Since what the Russians want is chaos, and the Intelligence community says they’re doing it again this year, they best way to do it is make sure that the Democrats win and Trump is impeached but not convicted.

    They’re after you now, not me.

  648. jason says:

    Wow, Messy is either taking drugs or is mentally deranged.

    This is all drivel and none of it is even remotely corroborated in ANYTHING that has come out.

    “The collusion was done in code: The Trump tower meeting in June was “this is what we want done.”

    Huh? Fantasy, nothing on record of the meeting even remotely suggests this.

    Donald JR knew the Russians had dirt on Clinton and he admitted it.”

    LOL, where is the dirt, do you want to share it with us?

    he Comey/Strzok letter, which got Trump elected”

    Debunked trash. What got Trump elected was that 70% of the country thought Hillary was dishonest and untrustworthy long before the letter.

    The answer was in the Republican platform, when they excised the pro-Ukraine clause. “

    I think even the Russians know the platform is non-binding and that EVERY President in history has completely ignored it. The platform is forgotten 5 minutes after its written if not sooner.

    Trump knows what the Russians have on him,”

    Please share it with us.

    he “Steele dossier is a work of fiction” theory”

    Not a theory. Steele was a paid partisan political hack on record as saying he would do anything to keep Trump from being President, and it has been shown he was regurgitating propaganda fed to him by the people who paid him, the DNC.

    The thing is mostly the cover-up.”

    Finally a grain of truth, admitting there is no “there” there, and just hoping for some kind of cover up of nothing. Hilarious.

    Messy, go back to remedial school, get a high school degree, and then come back and give it another shot.

  649. jason says:

    The theory of the Trump defense was this: There was no meddling.”

    No, actually the crux of the Trump defense is that there was no collusion between his campaign and the Russians.

    Trump is not in any way responsible or liable for any “meddling” by the Russians. He wasn’t even President. If you want a scapegoat, blame Obama and the FBI.

  650. jason says:

    he Comey firing was primarily to prevent the indictment issued yesterday”

    LOL

    I love this place.

  651. Bitterlaw says:

    Visiting the National Gallery in DC. The portraits of the Obamas are not quite as odd in person. My brother in law is a Colonel in the army. Not a Trump fan.

  652. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    675. Messy should move to California and get involved in Democratic politics, he would fit right in.

  653. jason says:

    Huh, I think Messy is a she.

    It proves female trolls can be as dumb as male trolls.

  654. jason says:

    My brother in law is a Colonel in the army. Not a Trump fan.”

    He should be if he is interested in rebuilding the military.

  655. jason says:

    National Gallery is great though.

    Btw, you are only 11 minute walk from Trump’s new hotel, its worth a walk into the lobby even if I couldn’t afford a drink at the bar.

  656. jason says:

    “The Comey firing was primarily to prevent the indictment issued yesterday”

    This is so wrong I have to get back to it.

    Firing Comey wouldn’t stop the investigation. Trump knew that, Comey knew that, everyone knew that.

  657. Messy57 says:

    “Firing Comey wouldn’t stop the investigation. Trump knew that, Comey knew that, everyone knew that.”

    No he didn’t. He said as much. That it didn’t is neither here nor there. TRUMP fired Comey to end the investigation.

  658. Bitterlaw says:

    He’s a lawyer and retiring soon. He’s not worried about the army now.

  659. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    894. “Firing Comey wouldn’t stop the investigation. Trump knew that, Comey knew that, everyone knew that.”

    Comey’s conduct throughout 2016 fully justified his removal. The Democrats had also called for him to be fired in 2016. Hillary still fingers him as responsible for her election loss. Given what has come out regarding FBI misconduct in 2016; we should be glad Comey was let go — his presence would have further tainted an already questionable investigation

  660. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    675. “good opposition research is TRUE. Genuine facts are far more powerful than fake news.”

    So I should accept as true the fact that Obama was born in Kenya?

  661. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Rob Goldman?
    @robjective
    Vice President for Facebook Ads:

    “Very excited to see the Mueller indictment today. We shared Russian ads with Congress, Mueller and the American people to help the public understand how the Russians abused our system. Still, there are keys facts about the Russian actions that are still not well understood.”

    “Most of the coverage of Russian meddling involves their attempt to effect the outcome of the 2016 US election. I have seen all of the Russian ads and I can say very definitively that swaying the election was *NOT* the main goal.”

    “The majority of the Russian ad spend happened AFTER the election. We shared that fact, but very few outlets have covered it because it doesn’t align with the main media narrative of Trump and the election.”

  662. jason says:

    “TRUMP fired Comey to end the investigation.”

    Repeating this canard doesn’t make it true.

    The investigation was already in place, everyone especially Trump would know firing Comey would not end the investigation, nor did he ever ask Comey to end the investigation.

    The Director of the FBI doesn’t personally conduct investigations, he has a team assigned to do it, and it was never alleged by anybody that the investigation was stopped by the firing of the Director, that is not how it works.

    Of course, the fact this is not obvious to your limited thought process speaks volumes.

  663. jason says:

    “Democrats are struggling to cope with the rising popularity of the Republican tax law, less than nine months until the midterm elections.

    Democrats received a wake-up call of sorts earlier this week when Priorities USA, a top Democratic super PAC, released a memo calling on Democrats to message more consistently against the tax law. The law’s standing has increased in the polls as GOP groups pitch the tax cuts to voters as a solid Republican accomplishment.

    “I think the memo is spot on. Absolutely spot on,” said Rep. Cheri Bustos, D-Ill., one of the 12 House Democrats who sit in districts where Trump won in 2016.

    “We have to stay focused on this,” Bustos said. “You’ve got the budget, the tax bill and transportation that adds up to disaster in many parts of our country and leaves terrible debt for our kids and our grandkids. We’ve got a lot to work with right now, but we’ve got to focus on that. Not all of the other diversions that come up every single day.”

    Nooooooo…. take it from Wobbie, focus on tweets and allegations of affairs.

  664. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    690. Spot on Jason, Comey as an individual was fired. Trump did not attempt to end the Russian investigation. Given Comey’s shenanigans, and what happened in 2016 at the FBI, his termination was justified. The Loretta Lynch airport meeting alone was enough reason to replace him.

  665. Tina says:

    At the time comedy was fired, the investigation into muh russian was a counter intelligence investigation. The consumer of this information from that investigation is the President. A commandwe in chief cannot interfere in a counterintelligence investigation.

    To this date, nobody has even presented evidence of a trump crime,

  666. Tina says:

    And nobody can claim that a president cannot fire the fbi director,

  667. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
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    Funny how the Fake News Media doesn’t want to say that the Russian group was formed in 2014, long before my run for President. Maybe they knew I was going to run even though I didn’t know!

    But, but, but, muh collusion….

  668. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Follow
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
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    Donald J. Trump
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    “I have seen all of the Russian ads and I can say very definitively that swaying the election was *NOT* the main goal.”
    Rob Goldman
    Vice President of Facebook Ads
    Rob Goldman
    @robjective
    Most of the coverage of Russian meddling involves their attempt to effect the outcome of the 2016 US election. I have seen all of the Russian ads and I can say very definitively that swaying the election was *NOT* the main goal.
    Show this thread

  669. Tina says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/progressive-director-michael-moore-russian-pawn-anti-trump-protest-trump-tower/

    HEre is a colluder in one of the russian attempts, michael moore.

    Will mulehead charge him?

  670. Cash Cow TM says:

    Honk.

  671. Cash Cow TM says:

    Honk.

  672. Tina says:

    Mulehead akready wrong per vp of facebook.

    MARK SIMONE
    MARK SIMONE
    @MarkSimoneNY
    ·
    2h
    BREAKING: Mueller team May be hiding a key fact. Facebook official says the majority of ads by Russian trolls were done AFTER the election (link: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/02/17/facebooks-vp-of-ads-says-russian-meddling-aimed-to-divide-us.html) cnbc.com/amp/2018/02/17… #MuellerInvestigation

  673. Bitterlaw says:

    Snow near D.C. At dinner, my brother-in-law was unhappy because he restaurant tap system was broken so he had to choose from the bottled beers. He ordered water. Beer snob.

  674. Cash Cow TM says:

    Today we saw lots of Costa Rican cattle, some monkeys, some crocodiles and lots of various birds.

  675. mnw says:

    coatimundis, Cow?

    They used to wander around the hotel grounds
    when my kids & I were there.

  676. lisab says:

    trump allegedly cheated on his trophy wife with a pornstar for $150,000 … 10 years ago … that is the what the dem trolls have after supporting bill clinton?

    mmmmmmmmkay … fine with me … i’ll buy president trump condoms … i’ll even spring for the glow in the dark ones … so long as i get to keep my tax cut

  677. Tina says:

    Bl, you need to stip by the trump hotel.

  678. Tina says:

    Muh blue wave

    LA primary House 86 (Majority D district)
    Rs 88%
    Ds 12%
    Runoff because no R got 51, but this is a crusher for “muh blue wave”

  679. jason says:

    I think Tina’s link deserves more exposure:

    “First, if Mueller’s theory is correct, three things make Steele a criminal: first, he is a foreign citizen; second, he tried to influence an election, which he received payments to do (including from the FBI itself); and third, he neither registered as a foreign agent nor listed his receipts and expenditures to the Federal Election Commission. Also, according to the FBI, along the way, Steele lied…a lot, while the dossier he disseminated contained its own lies based on bought-and-paid for smears from foreign sources reliant on rumors and innuendo.

    Second, if Mueller’s theory is correct, three things make FusionGPS a criminal co-conspirator: it knew Steele was a foreign citizen; it knew, and paid, Steele to influence an election; and it knew, and facilitated, Steele neither registering as a foreign agent nor reporting his funding from the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign to the Federal Election Commission.

    Third, if Mueller’s theory is correct, then three things make PerkinsCoie a potential target: it knew Steele was a foreign citizen; it knew, and paid, Steele to influence an election; and it knew, and facilitated, Steele neither registering as a foreign agent nor reporting his funding from the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign to the Federal Election Commission, by disguising its receipt of payments from the Clinton campaign as a “legal expense.”

    Fourth, if Mueller’s theory is correct, then three things make the DNC a potential target: it knew Steele was a foreign citizen; it knew, and paid, Steele to influence an election; and it knew, and facilitated, Steele neither registering as a foreign agent nor reporting his funding from the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign to the Federal Election Commission, by disguising its payments to Steele as laundered legal expenses to a law firm.

    Fifth, if Mueller’s theory is correct, three things make the Clinton Campaign a potential target: it knew Steele was a foreign citizen; it knew, and paid, Steele to influence an election; and it knew, and facilitated, Steele neither registering as a foreign agent nor reporting his funding from the Clinton campaign to the Federal Election Commission, by disguising its funding of payments to Steele laundered through a law firm as a “legal expense.”

  680. jason says:

    Messy hardest hit.

  681. Bitterlaw says:

    We drove by the Trump hotel. My in-laws are kids. No need to start a fight by trying to visit it. I also have no interest in seeing it and I voted for him.

  682. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
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    Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign – there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!
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  683. MichiganGuy says:

    Tennessee Senate GE:
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    Marsha Blackburn (R) 44%
    Phil Bredesen (D) 39%
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    Phil Bredesen (D) 44%
    Bob Corker (R) 35%
    .
    Marsha Blackburn 55%
    Bob Corker 26%
    .
    WPAIntel poll 2/13-15
    .
    https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/16/marsha-blackburn-holds-major-lead-among-gop-voters-matchup-against-bob-corker/346158002/

  684. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    6h
    General McMaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems. Remember the Dirty Dossier, Uranium, Speeches, Emails and the Podesta Company!

    One of these last two tweets will certainly trigger the jebots, ds.

  685. Tina says:

    So, if deadender corker wins the nomination, we lose the seat to the drat?

    Mullah corker should be a man and run for dog catcher.

  686. Tina says:

    James Woods
    ?
    @RealJamesWoods
    So 13 numbskulls on FaceBook are the NEW reason a #DrunkenHag lost the election – despite over a billion dollars, adoring lapdog media, and sycophants like Brennan on her side…

  687. Tina says:

    James Woods,

    You forgot us.

    Jebots.

  688. NYCmike says:

    “Deadenders” to vote for Corker and nobody else!!

  689. Bitterlaw says:

    712 should have said libs and not kids.

  690. hugh says:

    718. Great comment. I cannot believe that this is still crawling along. Seems to me that Mueller to maintain any credibility should indict Steele.

  691. Bitterlaw says:

    http://wgntv.com/2018/02/17/blackhawks-fans-ejected-for-racist-taunts-at-capitals-player/

    But I was told by the Media and other fans that only Philadelphia fans cause trouble.

  692. DW says:

    Here is the sort of ‘Republican’ you get at RRH:

    MOSHEM
    February 18, 2018 at 4:51 am
    I’m not leaving the GOP, but I’m totally pissed off and angry at the selfish idiotic Republicans who are preventing any reasonable gun legislation from even being proposed. ”Your kids can die, but don’t touch my guns.” Any normal civilized country has sensible gun laws and has a much lower gun death rate. The Republican gun culture is sickening.

    I’m totally for repealing the second amendment.

    29, M, R, NY-10

    So apparently this nut has bought into the idea that criminals will obey gun laws.

  693. jason says:

    “Republicans who are preventing any reasonable gun legislation”

    “I’m totally for repealing the second amendment”

    Yep, he is for “reasonable gun legislation”

    LOL

  694. Senators Buck, Miller, COD, Akin, and Mourdock says:

    Did Corker actually get elected to the Senate?

    We never heard of him.

  695. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #724 & 725 + Bitter
    If the below statistic is accurate( 94% of mass shootings are committed by registered Democrats), we have the perfect solution for stopping mass shootings. To wit: ban all Registered Democrats from owning semi-automatic firearms!!!!!!!! I can live with this form of gun control. Let’s start with Proud ObamaCon and Messy!
    https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/02/17/julian-assange-wants-to-know-who-can-answer-this-question-about-mass-shootings/

    https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/02/17/julian-assange-wants-to-know-who-can-answer-this-question-about-mass-shootings/

  696. Tina says:

    Maybe Muta should put down the bong and note that the shooter had 30 plus run ins with the local law enforcement. Also, people contacted the fbi, and of course they are just to busy with muh russian and having lesbo day that they just cannot field the call.

  697. Tina says:

    Also, maybe, just maybe, the shooter had a hispanic surname, so maybe just maybe pc took over.

  698. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
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    If it was the GOAL of Russia to create discord, disruption and chaos within the U.S. then, with all of the Committee Hearings, Investigations and Party hatred, they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. They are laughing their asses off in Moscow. Get smart America!
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    Another tweet to trigger the you know who’s.

  699. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
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    Finally, Liddle’ Adam Schiff, the leakin’ monster of no control, is now blaming the Obama Administration for Russian meddling in the 2016 Election. He is finally right about something. Obama was President, knew of the threat, and did nothing. Thank you Adam!

    He is carpet bombing the drats this am, Triggering them.

  700. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    2h
    Never gotten over the fact that Obama was able to send $1.7 Billion Dollars in CASH to Iran and nobody in Congress, the FBI or Justice called for an investigation!

  701. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    1h
    I never said Russia did not meddle in the election, I said “it may be Russia, or China or another country or group, or it may be a 400 pound genius sitting in bed and playing with his computer.” The Russian “hoax” was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia – it never did!

    Fact check, true.

  702. Tina says:

    Utah Senate Race: State Auditor John Dougall May Challenge Mitt Romney

  703. Tina says:

    http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/17/infamous-steele-anti-trump-dossier-disproven-muell/?__twitter_impression=true

    True, but the dossier is not the strele dossier, it is the clinton russian dossier.

    Fake nonetheless.

  704. jason says:

    US is losing to the “Olympic Athletes from Russia” in the medal count?

    We need to appoint a special prosecutor immediately.

  705. jason says:

    Never gotten over the fact that Obama was able to send $1.7 Billion Dollars in CASH to Iran and nobody in Congress, the FBI or Justice called for an investigation!”

    Hey Donald, elections have consequences….

  706. Nostradamus says:

    US is losing to the “Olympic Athletes from Russia” in the medal count?”

    I predicted the focus of these Olympics for the US team would be on who was most gay and who hated Mike Pence the most, not medals.

    As such, very successful Olympics.

  707. Senators Buck, Miller, COD, Akin, and Mourdock says:

    So, if deadender corker wins the nomination, we lose the seat to the drat? ”

    This wasn’t a problem before, what happened?

  708. jason says:

    When kooks get the upper hand, this is what happens..

    ENEVA — When it comes to cooking fresh lobster, the Swiss are now saying: We feel your pain.

    “A law goes into effect March 1 that bans the common cooking method of tossing a live lobster into a big pot of boiling water, quickly killing the tasty crustacean. That practice is being outlawed because the Swiss say it’s cruel and lobsters can sense pain.

    The first national legislation of its kind in the world calls for a more humane death for lobsters, by “rendering them unconscious” before plunging them into scalding water. Two methods are recommended: Electrocution or sedating the lobster by dipping it into salt water and then thrusting a knife into its brain.”

  709. jason says:

    I wonder how many people will be electrocuted trying to electrocute a lobster.

  710. Bitterlaw says:

    Sheeple – in almost 14 years at HHR, I have never proposed banning any guns. Own as many as you want. I am resigned to the fact that the mass killings will continue unabated.

  711. Chicon says:

    742 – are there no other ways to reduce school shootings other than gun control? I don’t get the fatalism on the topic.

  712. mnw says:

    DW

    I noticed Moshem’s comment too.

    Moshem is a principal moderator @ RRH— at least he is the most active & omnipresent of them.

    Another one, vastrightwingconspiracy, still states that he’s proud he voted for Obama.

    There are only 2 reasons I visit RRH. They usually post polls before anybody else (possibly excepting our own MG), & Rdel posts there. Rdel left HHR because he thought posters here were often impolite— imagine that.

    Politics and commentary from the Right perspective, though!

  713. Tina says:

    Is somebody colkuding with the russians in the olympics?

  714. Tina says:

    Ben Rhodes on the Obama admin’s inaction in response to Russia screwing with our election: “I actually wasn’t as much in the room on that”

    Mtp.

    Lol, what a liar, not in the room, well of course.

  715. Bitterlaw says:

    Chic on – I asked if there was the possibility of finding any solution. We saw how that worked out. I’m just waiting for the next killings. I am selfish and hope it is not my family that is impacted.

  716. mnw says:

    Look at the people doing the school shootings & see if they have any common characteristics? They’re all crazy, and everybody knows it!

    Romney supports enhanced background checks. Enhanced school security in the form of metal detectors for students, not just visitors, has been discussed. I think those are worthy ideas. Certainly directing law enforcement to raise the issue to a higher priority might help.

    Our beloved media deserves some attention for making these psychos instantly famous all over the world, too. You can’t address that except through media self-restraint. As if.

    Otoh, instead of taking a look at the micro issues, the libs derive great self-gratification from screaming for gun control! Without quite explaining how that would solve the problem, exactly.

  717. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #742
    I never said you did. You,like most of us at HHR, would like to see mass shootings stop or at least,abate. Well, I posited a simple solution which could potentially diminish this problem by up to 94%!

  718. Tina says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/stunning-mueller-patched-together-much-indictment-2015-radio-free-europe-article/

    Mulehead and his merry band of losahs conbled toger this from a radio free europe article?

  719. Bitterlaw says:

    While having armed guards at school would keep the body count down, people will still die when the shooting starts. I will leave it to others to stop the carnage.

  720. Wes says:

    There has never been a school shooting where I live. Schools here have armed sheriff’s deputies serving as security. I would imagine that is the likely reason.

  721. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #751
    Israeli schools used to be attacked by terrorists frequently. The Government hardened security at the schools by allowing teachers to carry and limiting ingress/ egress to schools through only one or two gates.
    Would it work in the USA? ??

  722. Tina says:

    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    Leaving aside all the public information and comments by Trump by 2014 suggesting that he was thinking of running in 2016, maybe Trump told the Russians directly he was thinking of running on his visit to Moscow in November, 2013?

    The socialist son is at the muh russian hoax again.

  723. mnw says:

    DW & Wes

    A tale of 2 candidates:

    I contributed to Hawley (MO) right after he announced. Gave him my contact info. That was appx 2 months ago, I think.

    Less than a month ago, I made a considerably smaller contribution to Rosendale (MT). I provided the same contact info.

    To date, I have never received a single communication of any kind from the Hawley campaign. Nada. Zilch. But Rosendale, otoh, has become my new best friend, whether I like it or not. Emails & snail mail from Rosendale 4-5 times a week, on average.

  724. JC says:

    When you want to understand a problem, you must first try to isolate the variables of the situation to determine the root cause.

    We’ve had guns in the country for hundreds of years. We’ve had crazy people in the country for hundreds of years. Yet school shootings is a very recent problem that’s only been occurring routinely in the last few decades, but has really spiked in the last five years.

    Further more, gun violence is not evenly distributed across the country, as statistics show that the VAST majority of gun violence occurs in inner cities – which usually have tighter gun control laws. We can also look at low gun crime countries like Israel where gun distribution is near universal and soldiers take there weapons home and can carry them on and off duty.

    This indicates that there is little to no correlation to mass shootings and the amount of guns distributed.

  725. mnw says:

    In 1927, an anarchist with mental problems planted a bomb at a grade school in MI which killed 42 children and teachers.

  726. Bitterlaw says:

    The socialist’s son? Zzzzzzzz

    I guess we need to know the political views of Tina’s parents before we consider whether we should listen to her.

  727. mnw says:

    Gravis has announced that it will release a new PA-18 poll today.

  728. JC says:

    I think a huge factor (if not the factor) in the recent spike in mass shootings – that no one is talking about – is the media.

    Think about it. These mass murdering losers want nothing more than to gain attention and notoriety, and the US media is more than happy to oblige.

    Every time these things happen, there is a sick, paparazzi-like frenzy by the media to immortalize these losers actions and plaster their faces on every damn tv screen and website in the world 24/7 for weeks on end. Of course, this is intensified by the sick game partisans (mostly the left) play in trying to dig up every facet of the killer’s life in order to find an excuse to pin his actions to political opponents.

    This is a would-be killer’s dream. You couldn’t set a more favorable environment to entice crazy mass murderers.

    Honestly, I think that if there was a law banning the media from reporting the name and face of a US citizen who commits or attempts to commit mass murder until a certain amount of time has passed (say 6 months), then these mass shootings would likely significantly drop. Is that the right course of action to take? I don’t know. But I gautantee it would be effective.

    Deprive them of what they want – infamy.

  729. mnw says:

    JC

    Such a law would be DOA because …1st Amendment.

  730. JC says:

    Probably yes. But… we do place some restrictions. For example the media cannot reveal the names of minors.

    Of course, you don’t need a law to limit the attention these murderers receive. The media outlets could simply decide to not immortalize these freaks and instead simply report on the victims, while only generically referring to the shooter’s cause but not printing his name or face.

    And yes, I know that would never happen.

  731. Tina says:

    Bl, zzzz..

    He has admit Ed that his “inner socialist” came out during the tax cut debate,

    He is nothing more than a porker, a globalist shill, a hack, and a jebot.

  732. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – Zzzzzzzz

    I judge people on their views and not those of their parents.

  733. Bitterlaw says:

    I could not disagree more with JC. The victims deserve to be remembered. Reducing them to statistics serves the jiller’s purpose. I know we are supposed to blame the media for everything but the blame rests with the killers.

  734. Tina says:

    Yeah, his views ar aligned more so with her thighness.

    He was against the tax cuts.

    But overlook that and his loon conspiracy theory.

  735. mnw says:

    NEW: GRAVIS PA-18;

    SACCONE (R) 45.5
    LAMB (D). 40

    Sample is +15 Trump, but he won the district by 20 points.

    Last Gravis in January had Saccone +12.

    Election is one month from yesterday.

  736. JC says:

    All of the Olympic athletes who dissed Trump and his voters have performed horribly. I’m not saying the Trump curse is real, but…

    BTW, I tried to watch the games as much as possible while ignoring the political posturing. But yesterday I gave it quits after I saw one of the US athletes standing with his friends waving the rainbow flag and sporting pussy hats. I looked the guy up and apparently he gleefully claimed that he was glad he broke his thumb so he didn’t have to shake Pence’s hand.

    Yeah, I’m done with that. I’m no longer going to waste any more of my time cheering for ignorant, bitter, American-dissing people who openly hold me and my family in contempt.

    It’s a shame, because I used to love cheering for team USA during the Olympics. In another time, these athletes would have understood that they are representing their entire country, not just the parts that agree with them. Oh well. These kids are just a by-product of our liberalized institutions.

    I bet this SJW garbage is why the Olympics ratings are in the gutter.

  737. mnw says:

    RE: Gravis poll

    Lamb (D) leads among independents. Lot of undecideds. Election is March 13th.

  738. Paul says:

    768: I actually had not heard any of that. Perhaps just something the loony media is showcasing.

  739. JC says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    February 18, 2018 at 12:36 pm
    I could not disagree more with JC. The victims deserve to be remembered. Reducing them to statistics serves the jiller’s purpose. I know we are supposed to blame the media for everything but the blame rests with the killers
    ————————

    I NEVER said that. In fact I said the exact opposite. ONLY remember and celebrate the victims, NOT the killer.

    The media outlets could simply decide to not immortalize these freaks and instead simply report on the victims, while only generically referring to the shooter’s cause but not printing his name or face.

    Maybe you should take a reading comprehension class. And while you’re at it, maybe learn how to actually engage in discussion instead of constantly taking comments out of context and then condemning people for your own misinterpretations.

  740. Tina says:

    Coreeeeeee, pass the bong

  741. Tina says:

    Fox News
    ?
    @FoxNews
    .@TomFitton: “I think the FBI’s been compromised. Forget about shutting down Mr. Mueller. Do we need to shut down the @FBI because it was turned into a KGB-type operation by the Obama administration?”
    8:13 PM – Dec 13, 2017

  742. Paul says:

    Pass the tinfoil.

  743. Tina says:

    Dan Bongino
    Dan Bongino
    @dbongino
    ·
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    Many of the swamp rat Hill Republicans know full well that the Mueller probe is a sham & the real investigative bombshell is going to be the IG revelations on Obama admin police-state abuses & Hillary campaign collusion.But they don’t speak out because they’re afraid of the media
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  744. Paul says:

    I’m glad we have those guys well controlled.

  745. Bitterlaw says:

    All of the Olympic athletes who dissed Trump and his voters have performed horribly. I’m not saying the Trump curse is real, but…

    or it is because the US generally sucks in the winter Olympics.

  746. Bitterlaw says:

    JC – the entire context of your post was to blame the media = “I think a huge factor (if not the factor) in the recent spike in mass shootings – that no one is talking about – is the media.”

    I think it is a good idea to tell us about the killer for the simple reason that maybe somebody will say, “Hmmmm. That sounds a lot like [name of disturbed person]. Maybe I should raise my concern with the police.”

  747. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is the argument made by a psychologist for withholding the names of shooters. It is not something that will happen (nor should it), but there definitely is an argument for the media changing how it reports about shooters.

    “Unfortunately, we find that a cross-cutting trait among many profiles of mass shooters is desire for fame,” she said. This quest for fame among mass shooters skyrocketed since the mid-1990s “in correspondence to the emergence of widespread 24-hour news coverage on cable news programs, and the rise of the internet during the same period.”

    She cited several media contagion models, most notably one proposed by Towers et al. (2015), which found the rate of mass shootings has escalated to an average of one every 12.5 days, and one school shooting on average every 31.6 days, compared to a pre-2000 level of about three events per year. “A possibility is that news of shooting is spread through social media in addition to mass media,” she said.

    “If the mass media and social media enthusiasts make a pact to no longer share, reproduce or retweet the names, faces, detailed histories or long-winded statements of killers, we could see a dramatic reduction in mass shootings in one to two years,” she said. “Even conservatively, if the calculations of contagion modelers are correct, we should see at least a one-third reduction in shootings if the contagion is removed.”

    She said this approach could be adopted in much the same way as the media stopped reporting celebrity suicides in the mid-1990s after it was corroborated that suicide was contagious. Johnston noted that there was “a clear decline” in suicide by 1997, a couple of years after the Centers for Disease Control convened a working group of suicidologists, researchers and the media, and then made recommendations to the media.

    “The media has come together before to work for good, to incite social change,” she said. “They have done, and they can do it. It is time. It is enough.””

  748. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Couple who took in Cruz: ‘We had this monster living under our roof and we didn’t know’
    BY PAULA MCMAHON, Sun Sentinel

    “Nikolas Cruz was immature, quirky and depressed when James and Kimberly Snead took him into their Parkland home. But he was pleasant and seemed to be growing happier, they said.

    How the 19-year-old turned into a Killer still baffles them. “We had this monster living under our roof and we didn’t know,” Kimberly Snead told the South Florida Sun Sentinel in an exclusive interview Saturday. “We didn’t see this side of him.”

    Didn’t the police pay something like 39 visits to the kid? And they let the kid move in with an AR-15? He could have been an eagle scout and great kid; the AR-15 would have been taken away from him at the door. I am a guns rights advocate, but do not believe minors should possess semi-automatic weapons, period.

  749. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    780. To clarify ost 780. I go to the shooting range and there are a lot of minors, some of whom are marines and other military, practicing. By “possess” am referring to having individual ownership, and not use.

  750. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/flashback-30-years-guns-schools-nothing-happened/

    Flashback 30 Years: Guns Were in Schools … and Nothing Happened

    BY J. CHRISTIAN ADAMS FEBRUARY 15, 2018
    The millennial generation might be surprised to learn that theirs is the first without guns in school. Just 30 years ago, high school kids rode the bus with rifles and shot their guns at high school rifle ranges.

    After another school shooting, it’s time to ask: what changed?

    Cross guns off the list of things that changed in thirty years. In 1985, semi-automatic rifles existed, and a semi-automatic rifle was used in Florida. Guns didn’t suddenly decide to visit mayhem on schools. Guns can’t decide.

    High school gun range 1985. “Obey instantly all firing line commands.”

    We can also cross the Second Amendment off the list. It existed for over 200 years before this wickedness unfolded. Nothing changed in the Constitution.

    That leaves us with some uncomfortable possibilities remaining. What has changed from thirty years ago when kids could take firearms into school responsibly and today might involve some difficult truths.

    Let’s inventory the possibilities.

    What changed? The mainstreaming of nihilism. Cultural decay. Chemicals. The deliberate destruction of moral backstops in the culture. A lost commonality of shared societal pressures to enforce right and wrong. And above all, simple, pure, evil.

  751. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I will add to the great article in post 782.

    Effective adult supervision.

  752. jason says:

    It must suck to be Paul troll.

    Every morning he wakes up and realizes Hillary still is not President.

  753. jason says:

    Democratic Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania issued a warning to special counsel Robert Mueller not to release his findings at any point near the 2018 midterm elections”

    LOL

  754. jason says:

    I am sure the Dems would have the same view if they thought Mueller was going to confirm “collusion”.

    Positive.

  755. Redmen4ever says:

    Olympic athletes who dis Trump who perform poorly – guess they never heard of the Trump Curse.

    Ditto LaBron James.

  756. Bitterlaw says:

    She said this approach could be adopted in much the same way as the media stopped reporting celebrity suicides in the mid-1990s after it was corroborated that suicide was contagious. Johnston noted that there was “a clear decline” in suicide by 1997, a couple of years after the Centers for Disease Control convened a working group of suicidologists, researchers and the media, and then made recommendations to the media.

    Zzzzzzzz. The media never stopped reporting celebrity suicides.

  757. Bitterlaw says:

    Olympic athletes who dis Trump who perform poorly – guess they never heard of the Trump Curse.

    Zzzzzzzzzzz. Norwegians, Swedes and Canadians don’t like Trump and they are kicking ass. I know that Trumpsters want to believe that he is all powerful but the US generally sucked in the winter Olympics before Trump and will continue to suck when he is no longer President.

    Get back to me in 2020 when the summer Olympics roll around and we can test the theory.

  758. Bitterlaw says:

    Several Philadelphia Eagles don’t like Trump. They still won the Super Bowl. The Curse is a myth.*

    *Of course, all NFL teams have players who don’t like Trump so it nay even out.

  759. Tina says:

    Stephen McIntyre
    @ClimateAudit
    The Mueller indictment listed eight marches promoted by Internet Research Agency, but didnt report attendance, which was zero or negligible for all events during election campaign. Thread on evidence on attendance.
    9:48 AM – Feb 17, 2018

    Clearly, mulehead rushed this out on friday, not understanding who attendedd what, if anybody,

  760. Mr.Vito says:

    “…the US generally sucked in the winter Olympics before Trump and will continue to suck…”

    The US finished first or second in medals since 2002. They also have the second most medals in history by a large margin over third place. They do not generally ‘suck’.

  761. Bitterlaw says:

    The games started in 1924. We generally sucked.

  762. Bitterlaw says:

    I will propose a compromise that the US does well in some events but sucks at many others. Take out New events like half pipe and snowboarding and some medals fall.

  763. Messy57 says:

    101. Tina has posted fake news. The link leads to a blank page.

    773, 775. Tina did same, but no link to anything.

    Trump blames Mueller probe for Florida shooting. UG.

  764. Messy57 says:

    796. The Olympics are corrupt. Always were.

    The IOC denies that the 1906 remedial games ever took place, even though the records of them are listed in books dating to the 1990s.

  765. mnw says:

    Hello, Disintigrate (sic)

    Are you going to tell us everything you know about the FRCP & FRE again, you little legal eagle?

    Or, expound on the “queen for a day” concept again & share your knowledge* with us?

    * don’t forget that “knowledge” has a “k” in it, OK?

  766. Diamond Jim says:

    DCCC

  767. jason says:

    Messy has sources. Same sources that predicted Hillary would win NC.

    Their motto: “We can’t always be wrong”.

  768. jason says:

    Diamond Jim swoops in like an eagle.

  769. Tina says:

    Messy aka Socially a Mess, the links are tweets to videos. In one case, a fox news interview done today of Judicial Watch’s Fenton.

  770. jason says:

    Jill Stein says she was unaware Russians were helping her campaign.

    Ok, Jill.

  771. Tina says:

    Fitton*

  772. jason says:

    Tina, Messy is barely grade school level, give her a break.

    Give her some instructions like move cursor to link, click, etc….

  773. jason says:

    “Right now, with an average viewership of almost 23 million a night on NBC, NBCSN and via streaming, the 2018 Winter Games have declined about 8% from Sochi 2014 at this point in the Olympic competition. If you put NBC against just NBC, the numbers are more of a 16% downturn for this first week of events out of PyeongChang.”

    Bitter to deny its because the Olympics are being excessively politicized in 3, 2, 1….

  774. Redmen4ever says:

    NFL: ratings down. That’s how all the teams simultaneously suffer from the Trump Curse.

  775. jason says:

    To date, I have never received a single communication of any kind from the Hawley campaign. Nada. Zilch.”

    I contacted the Hawley campaign. They confirmed your contribution but it needs to be double that to get an acknowledgment.

    If you triple it they will send you a bumper sticker.

  776. Mr.Vito says:

    “…the US does well in some events but sucks at many others.”

    No different than the summer games.

  777. Tina says:

    I do not know about a curse. The olympics are too political and the ratings as a result are crumbling.

  778. Mr.Vito says:

    “took-united-states-94-years-win-100-winter-olympics-gold-medals”

    Norway is the only other nation with that many gold medals after 100 years… there simply aren’t that many handed out… it never even had 40 events until the 1988.

  779. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Donald J. Trump? @realDonaldTrump

    “Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign – there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!”

    Blunt, but makes a point. When it came out that Strzok, a high ranking FBI investigator, sent out 50,000 text messages to his girlfriend, many derogatory about Trump, over a short period of time. the question came up should he have been doing more investigating and less texting.

    The fact a lot of messages were claimed to be lost just makes it murkier.

    Then there is the message between Page and Strzok the day after the election “Perhaps this is the first meeting of the secret society.”

    Is it any wonder many people are questioning if he FBI is not doing any effective job in other areas?

  780. Tina says:

    Even more hilarious is this:

    Combined totals for ALL RUSSIAN ORGANIZED RALLIES:
    Pro-Trump — About 31
    Anti-Trump — 10,100

    Link gateway pundit.

    The 31was about the size of a hillary rally.

  781. Tina says:

    TIme dor the rs to shut this sheot down. Of concern is muleheads budget being kept secret, the taint in his staff, etc.

    Cut funding or indict comedy and this sheot dies.

  782. Tina says:

    FBI uses Yahoo News as a source for FISA warrants and Mueller uses a Radio Free Europe report for his indictments. These Keystone Cops couldn’t find an elephant in a phone booth…

    From another site, tee heee.

  783. Cash Cow TM says:

    Curse

    Cures (ironic ain’t it)

  784. Cash Cow TM says:

    Good thing Walt chose not to run in 2016.
    He might have gotten swept up in the Rooshian thing.

  785. Cash Cow TM says:

    Mnw,

    Coatimundi…yes did see some.

    Today was last day on touring Costa Rica.

    Walked through a national park to a beach.
    Saw more monkeys than you could shake a stick at.
    Lots of troops of monkeys of various kinds—howlers, white faced, spider, squirrel monkeys.
    And a sloth, a thuggery of raccoons, some squirrel squirrels.

    Then did an arial tram through a tropical rainforest—when a woman in my gondola dropped her cell phone while taking photos and it landed in the jungle 80 feet below,AND was found by staff and returned to her. TA-DA!

    Then dinner at our last hotel, and performance by dancers—including the woman who won the 2017 Dancing With the Stars (who apparently is a Costa Rican).

    Tomorrow off to Panama City to get another flight home to cold U.S.A.
    ***********************************************
    Pura vida, MOO-chachoes

    If those Panamanian TSA fools do an intense pat down of me again where they shoot milk from my teets, I am going to kick someone in the groin.

  786. Messy57 says:

    803, 806. gateway pundit is usually fake news.