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Baker Leads Dem Field in MD

Mason-Dixon Polling has put out a new poll for the Democratic primary race in Maryland and it shows what most other polls have shown, Rushern Baker leading the field.

GOVERNOR – MARYLAND – DEM PRIMARY (Mason-Dixon)
Rushern Baker 26%
Kevin Kamenetz 15%
Ben Jealous 14%
Richard Madaleno 4%
Krishanti Vignarajah 3%
Jim Shea 3%
Alec Ross 2%
Ralph Jaffe 1%

This poll was done February 20-24 among 500 registered Democratic voters. It does not appear they did a head-to-head poll for the General Election.

Posted by Dave at 4:16 pm
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150 Responses to “Baker Leads Dem Field in MD”

  1. SoHope says:

    First

  2. Tgca says:

    Dos Bebe! Dos!

  3. Redmen4ever says:

    tres

  4. Redmen4ever says:

    catorce

  5. Tina says:

    Hat is the jebot uh drat talking point of the day?

  6. jason says:

    The Trump Republicans are not my party. If that is where the party moves to permanently, count me out”

    I agree with Corey on this.

    But “permanently” is the key word here.

    Right now Trump is President and I will support him where I think it benefits the country.

    That being said, tariffs don’t help the country, much to the contrary, its stupid and short sighted protectionism that in the long run will damage our economy.

    And of course, its right out of the big union fat boss playbook.

  7. Tina says:

    We need to confront the russians and start ww 3.

    Jebots

    Ht from krystol Meth.

  8. Tina says:

    Hi have no issue with raising the age to 21.

    18 year olds are not mature compared to the 18 yr old of 20 years ago.

  9. Tina says:

    Were is my friend, hogg. He needs to be eveywhere.

  10. Tina says:

    Generally tariffs do not help. But reagan was not the fair trader the jebots claim Look at the quotas and tariffs he imposed on japanese auto companies, as an example.

    There were little japanese production here. They only began plant building a lot more in the early 1980s.

    $2500 was the tariff or mark up on a japanese truck, for example.

  11. Tina says:

    He is likely prepping to exit Nafta since its a sheot deal.

    Allowed the chinese to come in through the back door.

    Failed tomstem the flow of illegals from Mexico, as promised.

  12. Tina says:

    Bill Mitchell
    Bill Mitchell
    @mitchellvii
    ·
    56m
    Obama: “Manufacturing jobs aren’t coming back!”

    U.S. factories expanded in February at the fastest rate since May 2004, indicating sustained strength in manufacturing as demand remains solid, figures from the Institute for Supply Management showed Thursday.

  13. Tina says:

    Bill Mitchell
    Bill Mitchell
    @mitchellvii
    ·
    1m
    Hillary Clinton thinks the Russians are so dangerous that her State Department approved the sale of 20% of our Uranium reserves to the Russians after the Clinton Foundation received $145 million dollars from many people connected to the Uranium deal.

    Jebot logic.

  14. mnw says:

    I don’t agree that “tariffs don’t help.” At least I don’t agree entirely. If another nation is dumping products here (selling below cost to hurt competitors & gain market share), punitive tariffs seem appropriate until the unfair practice is ended.

    I suspect our international competitors took advantage of Less-than-Zero economically in the same way that our adversaries played him for the chump he was strategically.

  15. Tina says:

    https://object.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa107.pdf

    Reagan and protectionism.

    Clearly, not a free trader all the way.

  16. MichiganGuy says:

    Prepare for ‘Voter Fraud’ of epic proportions in 2018, 2019 and especially in 2020. @TheDemCoalition knows that in a legitimate, fair and closely monitored election process, that they’ll get slaughtered, effectively ending the @DNC as we know it. #WikiLeaks
    .
    https://twitter.com/TheRealJuIian/status/969215287806476290?s=19

  17. MichiganGuy says:

    TEXAS
    .
    Gov. Greg Abbott
    .
    Favorable 59%
    Unfavorable 36%
    .
    Sen. Ted Cruz
    .
    Favorable 52%
    Unfavorable 43%
    .
    Donald Trump
    .
    Favorable 55%
    Unfavorable 41%
    .
    http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/02/28/poll-texans-support-trump-wall-daca/

  18. Phil says:

    18

    That can’t be true. Abbott and Cruz are in big trouble. A new blue wave is washing through Texas. I just read a recent article in the Washington Post and another in Mother Jones that said so…..plus Proud Obamacon confirmed it.

  19. BayernFan says:

    What’s the party ID breakdown on that USA Today poll that shows Dems leading by 15?

  20. NYCmike says:

    Sons of B*TCHES!

    I was telling great jokes on the last thread, and you b*st*rds left me alone up on stage, without telling me you went to get some drinks!

  21. NYCmike says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 1, 2018 at 6:14 pm

    I did not say anything about government making sure Youtube does not censor the videos.

    I am attempting to alert you to the fact that messages about our freedoms and liberties are being censored by certain media outlets, and by universities, and the people we elect need to be aware of that, and hopefully they respond in ways which will stop those entities from doing those things that are detrimental to our country.

    Again, I am NOT speaking about laws, I am NOT speaking about Executive Orders to arrest the head of Alphabet. I am speaking about using the bully pulpit to call out media bias, and to call out universities which do NOT allow for a free and open debate. Shame them into allowing for more freedom of thought.

    JEB!2016, and most likely a person like Kasich, would be unable, and even unwilling to do this, to the detriment of the Republican Party, and to the detriment of the nation as a whole.

  22. NYCmike says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 1, 2018 at 6:15 pm

    “U.S. factories expanded….”

    CG says:
    March 1, 2018 at 5:21 pm

    Yeah, basically he (Trump) is the main problem…..

  23. NYCmike says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 1, 2018 at 6:16 pm

    Change of pace:

    A girl asks her boyfriend to come over Friday night to meet and have a dinner with her parents. Since this is such a big event, the girl announces to her boyfriend that after dinner, she would like to go out and make love for the first time.

    The boy is ecstatic, but he has never had sex before, so he takes a trip to the pharmacist to get some condoms. He tells the pharmacist it’s his first time and the pharmacist helps the boy for about an hour. He tells the boy everything there is to know about condoms and sex. At the register, the pharmacist asks the boy how many condoms he’d like to buy, a 3-pack, 10-pack, or family pack. The boy insists on the family pack because he thinks he will be rather busy, it being his first time and all.

    That night, the boy shows up at the girl’s parents house and meets his girlfriend at the door. “Oh, I’m so excited for you to meet my parents, come on in!”

    The boy goes inside and is taken to the dinner table where the girl’s parents are seated. The boy quickly offers to say grace and bows his head. A minute passes, and the boy is still deep in prayer, with his head down.

    10 minutes pass, and still no movement from the boy.

    Finally, after 20 minutes with his head down, the girlfriend leans over and whispers to the boyfriend, “I had no idea you were this religious.”

    The boy turns, and whispers back, “I had no idea your father was a pharmacist.”

  24. NYCmike says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 1, 2018 at 6:23 pm

    One more:

    A pastor, a doctor and an engineer were waiting one morning for a
    particularly slow group of golfers ahead.

    The engineer fumed, “What’s with these guys? We must have been waiting
    for 15 minutes!”

    The doctor chimed in, “I don’t know, but I’ve never seen such ineptitude!”

    The pastor said, “Hey, here comes the greenskeeper. Let’s have a word
    with him.”

    [dramatic pause]

    “Hi George. Say, what’s with that group ahead of us? They’re rather
    slow, aren’t they?”

    George, the greenskeeper, replied, “Oh, yes, that’s a group of blind
    firefighters. They lost their sight saving our clubhouse from a fire
    last year, so we always let them play for free anytime.”

    The group was silent for a moment. The pastor said, “That’s so sad. I
    think I will say a special prayer for them tonight.”

    The doctor said, “Good idea. And I’m going to contact my
    ophthalmologist buddy and see if there’s anything he can do for them.”

    The engineer said, “Why can’t these guys play at night?”

  25. NYCmike says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 1, 2018 at 6:45 pm

    For Bitterlaw, mnw, and all of the other shysters out there:

    An engineer dies and he goes to the gates of heaven. St. Peter can’t find his name on the list and tells him he has to go down to Hell. Satan is thrilled to have an engineer enter Hell. The engineer finds Hell to be unbearable, so he starts to make improvements. He adds air-conditioning, cold running water, and many other amenities. Word of these improvements down in Hell gets back to God, so God gives Satan a call. God is not very happy and tells Satan that the rules clearly state no engineers in Hell and Satan needs to send the engineer back up to Heaven right away. Satan refuses, so God tells Satan he is going to sue.

    Satan responds, “Where are you going to find a lawyer?”

  26. NYCmike says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 1, 2018 at 6:48 pm

    This one made me laugh out loud!

    An old, blind cowboy wanders into an all-girl biker bar by mistake.
    He finds his way to a bar stool and orders a shot of Jack Daniels .
    After sitting there for a while, he yells to the bartender,
    ‘Hey, you wanna hear a blonde joke?’
    The bar immediately falls absolutely silent.
    In a very deep, husky voice, the woman next to him says,
    ‘Before you tell that joke, Cowboy, I think it is only fair,
    Given that you are blind, that you should know five things:
    1. The bartender is a blonde girl with a baseball bat.
    2. The bouncer is a blonde girl.
    3. I’m a 6-foot tall, 175-pound blonde woman with a black
    belt in karate.
    4. The woman sitting next to me is blonde and a professional
    weight lifter.
    5. The lady to your right is blonde and a professional wrestler.
    Now, think about it seriously, Cowboy. Do you still wanna tell that
    blonde joke?’
    The blind cowboy thinks for a second, shakes his head and mutters,
    ‘No … not if I’m gonna have to explain it five times.’

  27. NYCmike says:

    More political:

    Four United States Presidents get caught up in a tornado … and off they are whirled to the land of Oz.

    They finally make it to the Emerald City and went to find the Great Wizard.

    What brings the 4 of you before the great Wizard of Oz?

    Jimmy Carter stepped forward timidly and said, “I’ve come for some courage.”

    “No Problem!” said the Wizard, ”Who’s next?”

    Richard Nixon stepped forward, “Well, I think I need a heart.”

    “Done!” says the Wizard.

    “Who comes next before the Great and Powerful Oz?”

    Up stepped George Bush and said, “I’m told by the American people that I need a brain.”

    “No problem!” said the Wizard. “Consider it done.”

    Then there was a great silence in the hall. Bill Clinton is just standing there, looking around, but he doesn’t say a word.

    Irritated, the Wizard finally asks, “Well, what do you want?”

    “Is Dorothy here?”

  28. MichiganGuy says:

    BayernFan says:
    March 1, 2018 at 8:42 pm
    What’s the party ID breakdown on that USA Today poll that shows Dems leading by 15?
    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    3. Do you think of yourself as a Democrat, Republican, or Independent? {IF INDEPENDENT, “Which party would you lean toward/feel closest to”} (N=1,000)
    .
    Democrat 373 37.30%
    Republican 288 28.80%
    Independent 285 28.50%
    Other 36 3.60%
    Refused 18 1.8%
    .
    http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/3_1_2018_marginals.pdf

  29. BayernFan says:

    Thanks….isn’t D +9 a little much?

  30. NYCmike says:

    Walt told me this one, without “Miss Daisy” hearing him:

    An elderly gent was invited to an old friends’ home for dinner one evening. He was impressed by the way his buddy preceded every request to his wife with endearing terms such as: ‘Honey,’ ‘My Love,’ ‘Darling,’ ‘Sweetheart,’ ‘Pumpkin,’ etc.

    The couple had been married almost 60 years and, clearly, they were still very much in love.

    While the wife was in the kitchen, the man leaned over and said to his host, ‘I think it’s wonderful that, after all these years, you still call your wife those loving pet names.’

    The old man hung his head. ‘I have to tell you the truth,’ he said. ‘Her name slipped my mind about 10 years ago, and I’m scared to death to ask her what it is!’

  31. NYCmike says:

    “Thanks….isn’t D +9 a little much?”

    -Tgca?

  32. Phil says:

    The last midterm election in which there was a “blue wave” was when the Democrats took control of the House in 2006. Well, I just looked it up. The CNN exits had the Democrats up in party ID 38-36 (D+2).

    So, yeah. D+9 would be “a little much”……but hey, let’s not spoil the left’s little wet dream here.

    D+9 BABY!

  33. Tina says:

    Phil, i read at another site that george p. Bush is the one who is in real trouble.

  34. Tina says:

    Wow, trumo more popular than cruz in tx. Seems like tx is likinf teump more and more.

    All of them are north of 50.

  35. NYCmike says:

    https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/03/01/check-out-the-political-phrases-justice-alito-was-told-wouldnt-be-ok-in-a-polling-place/

    -“CG” is right.

    We should make sure our President is very nice, has good manners, and doesn’t look to fight all kinds of different battles, against all different types of foes.

  36. Bitterlaw says:

    I liked the lawyer joke, NYC.

  37. Phil says:

    Well, Tina. The race is for land commissioner and incumbent Bush has most of the money. There are three other Republican candidates trying to force a runoff. One is former land commissioner Jerry Patterson. The issue all three of Bush’s opponents are hitting Bush on is his management of the Alamo. The shrine used to be managed by the Daughters of the Texas Revolution.

    Under Bush it has been managed by a non profit corporation that has a plan to spend $450 million on various changes one of which is moving the monument to the defenders a couple of blocks away from the chapel. The three Bush opponents claim Bush intends with all the changes to deemphasize the battle and the history behind it. Their campaign slogan is of course “Remember the Alamo”. Bush is the one member of his family that actually endorsed Trump in the general (although it is generally believed it was reluctantly).

    Bush is countering that Patterson did not support Trump and that Patterson had said Hillary would have been a better president than Trump. He also claims that Patterson is for open borders with Mexico.

    Only in Texas.

  38. Phil says:

    Well, Tina. The race is for land commissioner and incumbent Bush has most of the money. There are three other Republican candidates trying to force a runoff. One is former land commissioner Jerry Patterson. The issue all three of Bush’s opponents are hitting Bush on is his management of the Alamo. The shrine used to be managed by the Daughters of the Texas Revolution.

    Under Bush it has been managed by a non profit corporation that has a plan to spend $450 million on various changes one of which is moving the monument to the defenders a couple of blocks away from the chapel. The three Bush opponents claim Bush intends with all the changes to deemphasize the battle and the history behind it. Their campaign slogan is of course “Remember the Alamo”. Bush is the one member of his family that actually endorsed Trump in the general (although it is generally believed it was reluctantly).

    Bush is countering that Patterson did not support Trump and that Patterson had said Hillary would have been a better president than Trump. He also claims that Patterson is for open borders with Mexico.

    Only in Texas.

  39. Phil says:

    double post – sorry

  40. Tina says:

    Thanks, phil.

  41. Phil says:

    Best I can tell from the goofy campaign commercials is Bush favors Santa Anna over Crockett, Bowie and the boys and Patterson is a Republican who desperately wanted Hillary in the WH. You couldn’t make this campaign up if you tried. LOL

    William Travis is spinning in his grave.

  42. Ron N says:

    Let them keep it at +9D or more so they can cry on election night at CNN.

  43. lisab says:

    South Africa’s parliament voted to remove white South African farmers from their land in a landmark vote on Tuesday. In addition, the country’s constitution could be amended to allow for the confiscation of white-owned land without any offer of compensation.

    Lawmakers voted overwhelmingly in favor of seeing land stripped from white farm owners, with the motion passing 241-83, according to News.com.au.

    The move was a key part of recently elected President Cyril Ramaphosa’s platform. Ramaphosa, who has long supported Nelson Mandela’s vision for South Africa, took office last month, replacing former President Jacob Zuma.

  44. mnw says:

    Subsistence farming. Look how well it’s working in Zimbabwe!

  45. MichiganGuy says:

    * Jennifer Lawrence *
    .
    Before
    .
    The devastating hurricanes in Texas and Florida last year were signs of “Mother Nature’s rage and wrath” at the U.S. for electing Trump.
    ————————————————————————————————————————
    Then
    .
    BACKLASH! Trump-Hater Jennifer Lawrence’s New Movie BOMBS.
    http://truthfeednews.com/backlash-trump-hater-jennifer-lawrences-new-movie-bombs/
    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    Now
    .
    The outspoken actress admitted that wading into politics is not the best path for celebrities to take. “I’ve always thought that it was a good idea to stay out of politics,” Lawrence told the magazine.
    “Twenty-five percent of America identifies as liberal and I need more than 25 percent of America to go see my movies. It’s not wise, career-speaking, to talk about politics.
    .
    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/02/27/jennifer-lawrence-slams-dems-admits-its-not-wise-for-celebrities-to-talk-about-politics.html
    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    Bye.
    .
    She has no movies lined up for the next two years and told NBC’s Today co-host Savannah Guthrie last Thursday that she’s planning on taking a break from acting.
    Doesn’t sound like she has much of a choice. No loss.
    .
    https://www.independentsentinel.com/trump-trashing-actress-jennifer-lawrence-takes-a-break-from-acting-after-movie-bombs/

  46. MichiganGuy says:

    Pelosi Blasts ICE for “Abuse of Power” Arresting “Patriotic” Illegals
    .
    https://www.independentsentinel.com/pelosi-blasts-ice-abuse-power-arresting-patriotic-illegals/
    LOL

  47. MichiganGuy says:

    On Wednesday, Mike Huckabee was appointed to the Board of the charitable arm of the Country Music Association (CMA). Within 24 hours he was forced to resign because an artist manager finds his political views and support for the NRA “grossly offensive”.
    Jason Owen, who leads Sandbox Management representing artists like Little Big Town, Faith Hill, and Kacey Musgraves, said in the letter that his clients would no longer support the foundation.
    What kind of fascist country are we living in? The NRA supports the Second Amendment and Donald Trump is our president but that isn’t acceptable to the left.
    This is going to be one ugly country when the leftists get done with it.
    .
    https://www.independentsentinel.com/mike-huckabee-forced-resign-cma-beliefs/

  48. mnw says:

    MG

    We win a few battles, but they win the war.

  49. MichiganGuy says:

    mnw, Actually, I consider “winning the war”

    1. Winning elections:

    a. President
    b. Congress

    2. Confirming conservative Judges.

    So, I believe we are winning. 🙂

  50. Bitterlaw says:

    I was planning on seeing Red Sparrow. Now I am still planning on seeing it. Lawrence is beautiful and talented. Her politics are irrelevant to me on whether to see her movies.

  51. MichiganGuy says:

    BL, You and Trump are a lot alike. You both have no core convictions. Trump may even be more conservative than you and I don’t think Trump is conservative.

  52. Mr.Vito says:

    “I was planning on seeing Red Sparrow. Now I am still planning on seeing it. Lawrence is beautiful and talented. Her politics are irrelevant to me on whether to see her movies.”

    52/54 on rotten tomatoes… worse than the one that bombed…

    pass

  53. Tina says:

    Patterson is a republican who wanted hillary.

    Gee, sounds like the jebots minus being Republican.

  54. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    1h
    Alec Baldwin, whose dying mediocre career was saved by his terrible impersonation of me on SNL, now says playing me was agony. Alec, it was agony for those who were forced to watch. Bring back Darrell Hammond, funnier and a far greater talent!

  55. Mr.Vito says:

    It was agony because Trump won.

  56. NYCmike says:

    Robbie will definitely be back to mention that tweet!

  57. Mr.Vito says:

    Then again, Red Sparrow is higher than the 11/41 Lawrence hd for Hou

  58. Mr.Vito says:

    House at the End of the Street.

  59. Phil says:

    51

    Beautiful and talented? OK.

    Great. Have at it. Another Hollywood big mouth kicking dirt on all us unenlightened rubes. Yeah, I’ll pass also. Guess I’ll just have to live without her.

  60. Tina says:

    That is not a presidential tweet.

    Muh mika face.

    Jebot

  61. Tina says:

    No Wall

    no Ice.

    The keftist protesters here are funny. They are upset with the recent raid, the one that the mayor of oakland helped obstruct by tipping off the illegals.

    They rounded up 150 with many criminal records.

  62. Tina says:

    Regarding the wall, a 20 mile section is being built in new mexico,

    But, we were tokd by the muh russian hoaxer that it was nit happening.

  63. Cash Cow TM says:

    Whew!!

    Was out chasing garbge cans.

    This wind is fierce.
    __________________________
    Oh…WV teacher strike still going on…

  64. Tina says:

    I hope hogg is still on tv. Let him continue to speak.

  65. Tina says:

    Re the proposed aluminum tariff, a Russian okigarch controls most of the aluminum market.

    So, I thought we wanted to sanction the Russians?

    Unless, the jebots now do not want to sanction.

  66. Phil says:

    Has Hogg announced for president yet?

    Too bad he isn’t 35 yet. A Hogg – Lawrence ticket would be awesome. Imagine the wisdom emanating from both during a four year term in the WH. The pure daily intellect……would be awesome.

  67. Phil says:

    “patriotic illegals”

    I can see why there is a groundswell for Pelosi to assume the gavel again.

  68. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – Zzzzzzzzzz. Separation of entertainment and state. I don’t care what they say or how they vote. Did you see Lincoln? Great movie even though Daniel Day Lewis in not a conservative.

  69. Bitterlaw says:

    I can’t imagine how much fun it must be trying to do anything with MG?

    Want to see a movie? No. The entire cast is libs.

    Concert? Only if it is a country singer over 75. I don’t trust Miranda Lambert.

    Baseball? No. The catcher speaks Spanish.

  70. Phil says:

    Separation of entertainment and state.

    It would be nice if Lawrence and the other Hollywood elites would adhere to that one. I can live without her lectures.

  71. Chicon says:

    I’m with Bitter on this and the national anthem issue. Letting them affect my life feels like them winning, to me. I give no weight to their opinions.

    Are we going eventually have separate but equal for conservatives and liberals?

  72. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – You are giving her power she does not have. I’m not a fan of most Meryl Streep movies because the stories don’t interest me. However, I can’t deny her talent.

  73. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon – I have no idea what Alshon thinks about any issue. If he said “I hate Bitterlaw” I would still thank him for helping the Eagles win the Super Bowl.

  74. Phil says:

    Not about being liberal. I don’t care how they vote or even if they push an agenda. However when they go out of their way to insult me or my religion I’m not fattening their wallet. Simple as that. The rest of you can do whatever the hell you want with your dollars. Have at it.

  75. Phil says:

    BTW, not denying her talent.

  76. Tina says:

    Patriotic illegals are an act of love.

  77. Phil says:

    Tina

    Good one.

  78. Bitterlaw says:

    Fair enough, Phil. Their insults mean nothing to me.

    How are you and your wife doing?

  79. MichiganGuy says:

    Phil, Exactly.

  80. Chicon says:

    77 – Phil, I respect your stance.

  81. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    March 2, 2018 at 9:23 am
    Phil – You are giving her power she does not have.
    ——————————————————————————————–
    Just the opposite. That is why after conservatives boycotted her movie she realized. “The outspoken actress admitted that wading into politics is not the best path for celebrities to take. “Twenty-five percent of America identifies as liberal and I need more than 25 percent of America to go see my movies.”
    .
    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/02/27/jennifer-lawrence-slams-dems-admits-its-not-wise-for-celebrities-to-talk-about-politics.html

  82. Phil says:

    Pretty much the same, Bitter. I guess you could say we are managing. Thanks for asking. Not a huge change over the last month but our good days aren’t quite as good, and honestly, there are fewer of them.

  83. Chicon says:

    76 – Bitter, I had to learn to deal with this because of Springsteen. Major fan of the liberal dope. I chose not to sacrifice the music because his politics are different. What would that get me?

  84. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if MG likes any movie made after 1920.

  85. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – I’m sorry to hear that you and your wife have such difficulties. Real life shows how little politics really mean. You and your wife are lucky to have each other.

  86. MichiganGuy says:

    BL, I would think after 4 years on here you would know a little about me. You still don’t have a clue. Like Phil said, I don’t care how an actor votes. But when they start spewing their hatred of everything that I believe in and call me a racist, bigot, homophobic, etc. Yeah, for some strange reason I don’t want to go see their movie.

  87. Chicon says:

    84 – we’re becoming two separate societies. Justice Thomas recently wondered what remains that binds us as Americans. Good question. Scary answer.

    Conservatives are just as much to blame for this as are progressives.

  88. Chicon says:

    89 – and we use our (smaller) platform to say some pretty nasty things about them.

    I respect and undersand your choice, but I fear the repercussions of it, writ large.

  89. MichiganGuy says:

    As a Christian I don’t go see a lot of movies anyway. I don’t need to see actors grinding on each other or swearing at each other. I do enjoy the Star War movies.

  90. Robbie says:

    President Smoot-Hawley-Trump

    I am really going to enjoy watching the HHR Trump shills who claim to be conservative explain how this garbage is actually conservative.

    Donald J. Trump
    ?@realDonaldTrump

    When a country (USA) is losing many billions of dollars on trade with virtually every country it does business with, trade wars are good, and easy to win. Example, when we are down $100 billion with a certain country and they get cute, don’t trade anymore-we win big. It’s easy!

  91. Robbie says:

    HHR 2014 – Free trade is the way to go. History shows that/

    Trump wins

    HHR 2018 – Tariffs are awesome. Maybe Bernie is on to something.

  92. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    March 2, 2018 at 9:46 am
    I wonder if MG likes any movie made after 1920.
    ——————————————————————————————-
    BL, you know I had to go see: The Passion of the Christ (2004)

  93. Robbie says:

    Staff – Sir, the economy is doing really well.

    Trump – Great. Let’s impose tariffs and see if we can’t screw that up as well.

    Staff – Umm.

  94. Phil says:

    I’m not a fan of tariffs at all. As policy, I believe they result in trade wars that end up hurting other American industries. Also, will ultimately contribute to inflation pressure. We already are seeing such pressure before the tariffs as a result of a more heated economy. Not good policy IMO. I understand the steel dumping, but the retaliation from those countries will hurt in other sectors.

  95. Chicon says:

    I’m generally against tariffs. But I’m also not a fan of state supported unfair trade that hurts American companies.

  96. Chicon says:

    97 – Phil, is there a mechanism, short of tariffs, in place to prevent the steel dumping?

  97. Chicon says:

    Sneaky Mike grabs the C.

  98. MichiganGuy says:

    Chicon, yes. Just don’t let their ships dock at our ports.

  99. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    Please explain why the tariffs put on by Reagan and Bush did not receive the same mockery/sarcasm about free trade as this action by Trump. Trump spoke about tariffs in the campaign. We knew he could do it. Why are you so surprised?

  100. NYCmike says:

    Chicon,

    How are conservatives just as much to blame?

  101. NYCmike says:

    How did the economy get affected already? Because the DOW went down?

    Yeah, that’s never happened before…..if history only is a week old, that is!

  102. Tina says:

    Drats blow up gun bill.

    See, they did the same with daca,

    All or nothing.

    Bith killed.

  103. Chicon says:

    Robbie, any thoughts on the topics raised today on the board? I assume you’re here to engage rather than preach-and-run, eh?

    What, if anything, do you believe should be done to support the steel industry?

    What do you think about entertainers who make strong political or religious stances? S

  104. Phil says:

    Chicon, I honestly don’t think so, unfortunately. You have to pick your poison. I don’t like what has happened to the US steel industry. I want the steel dumping to stop, but short of tariffs it will not. On the other hand, tariffs will give us higher steel prices and consumers end up paying more for cars, stainless steel appliances etc. Also, hurts the overall economy as well as other American industries are retaliated against. Damned if you do damned if you don’t kind of thing. On balance I think they hurt overall more than help. Just my two cents.

  105. Tina says:

    Looks like Mulehead has accessed the drat server that was “hacked”.

    We all know it was not the russians, but an inside job.

    And by whom?

  106. Chicon says:

    104 – Mike, conservatives are not more tolerant of liberals than liberals are of conservatives. Trends over the years seem to suggest more physical separation then ever – check out the red/blue maps by county in any recent election. Cities are liberal, and conservatives have fled to the less urban areas. Many other examples.

  107. NYCmike says:

    I am right in the belly of the beast. I laugh when I see a p*ssy hat, liberals seethe if they see a red baseball cap, even if it doesn’t say Trump, or MAGA.

  108. Chicon says:

    108 – glad to have your two cents. I agree it’s a tough issue. As I said. I generally don’t like tariffs.

    Robbie won’t like this, but Trump ran on this and is following thru – I value that in politicians, perhaps because it is a tad rare.

  109. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 2, 2018 at 10:28 am
    Robbie,
    Please explain why the tariffs put on by Reagan and Bush did not receive the same mockery/sarcasm about free trade as this action by Trump. Trump spoke about tariffs in the campaign. We knew he could do it. Why are you so surprised?

    – NYCmike’s mantra since Trump won – MUST PROTECT THE TRUMP

    If you want to know what really surprises me, it’s this. For years, you have harrumphed around HHR claiming to be a Tea Party purist. Yet as soon as a life long NYC Democrat comes along as wins with a R next to his name, you spend your time defending every bit of idiocy and liberalism he offers up.

    This week was a perfect example. When Trump said he wanted to takes the guns first and then worry about due process, your initial reaction was to shrug your shoulders and wonder what was wrong with that idea. Of course, we all know, had Obama or Jeb or any other person you deemed not Tea Party enough for you done the same, you would have screamed bloody murder.

    Then along comes Trump’s idiotic, economy killing, short sighted tariffs and your reaction, predictably, was not to say he was wrong, but engage in whataboutism. Well, what about Reagan?

    You just can’t bring yourself to criticize Trump. Even when it directly contradicts you supposed Tea Party purist nature.

  110. Tina says:

    Must protect the swamp

    And illegals

    Jebot

  111. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    March 2, 2018 at 10:34 am
    Robbie, any thoughts on the topics raised today on the board? I assume you’re here to engage rather than preach-and-run, eh?
    What, if anything, do you believe should be done to support the steel industry?
    What do you think about entertainers who make strong political or religious stances? S

    – “Preach and run” as opposed to fall for conspiracy theories and then refuse to admit you fell for conspiracy theories. Sorry my work schedule doesn’t line up well with your Trump protection schedule.

    What do I believe should be done to protect the steel industry? Nothing. We don’t live in the 1950’s anymore as Trump wishes we did. Closing ourselves off from the world will only hurt America. Industries in America come and go because that is the nature of the economy.

    Life’s not fair. After all, we’ve got Trump for president. America is becoming a high tech economy. The time of steel and textiles here has come and gone. Creating a distortion in the market by imposing tariffs will only make matters worse. Just ask Hoover.

  112. NYCmike says:

    You can’t answer the question. If you reserved the same emotions for Reagan and Bush when they levied tariffs, you would be consistent.

    I already stated, on both topics, Trump is wrong. That is my opinion. We shall see if I am correct or not.

    Also, when it comes to what Trump SAID…….does that have lasting policy implications?

    Or are you simply unable to keep your fragile emotional state from exploding without having any actions taken by Congress (in regards to guns)?

  113. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    March 2, 2018 at 10:45 am
    108 – glad to have your two cents. I agree it’s a tough issue. As I said. I generally don’t like tariffs.
    Robbie won’t like this, but Trump ran on this and is following thru – I value that in politicians, perhaps because it is a tad rare.

    – Following through on stupid ideas is not a virtue. It’s a fault.

    If Trump had promised to reduce the military by 50% in the campaign, would you be here suggesting you value that he’s following through on a campaign promise even though it would be extremely detrimental to the country?

  114. mnw says:

    Some of the regulars at RRH are “smart stupid,” — obviously bright but incredibly self-absorbed & other-worldly.

    One of ‘em today thinks the keys to GOP midterm success are for R candidates to criticize Trump on tariffs (thereby pleasing Trump-skeptical indies!), and to go big for legal marijuana (to win the millennials!).

    Wonder if he has some private agenda driving his love for the marijuana.

  115. NYCmike says:

    “Factories expanded…..” was a tweet liked earlier……robbie seems to miss many comments which are in direct contrast to his later statements

  116. NYCmike says:

    Linked, not liked……although I did like it

  117. NYCmike says:

    Stupid idea – let Hillary win because trump is a boorish, egotistical, immoral pig.

    One stupid idea that was not followed, thank God!

  118. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 2, 2018 at 10:55 am
    You can’t answer the question. If you reserved the same emotions for Reagan and Bush when they levied tariffs, you would be consistent.
    I already stated, on both topics, Trump is wrong. That is my opinion. We shall see if I am correct or not.
    Also, when it comes to what Trump SAID…….does that have lasting policy implications?
    Or are you simply unable to keep your fragile emotional state from exploding without having any actions taken by Congress (in regards to guns)?

    – Here’s my answer. Reagan and GWB were wrong. The data shows that GWB’s 6 month, targeted tariff on steel dumping in 2002 cost 200,000 American their jobs.

    Smoot-Hawley-Trump said his economy killing tariffs will last a long time and he implied there will be no carve outs. Just an across the board tariff.

    Of course, this is what happens when Trump surrounds himself with an idiot advisor like Peter Navarro, a liberal protectionist. He hires the best people though.

  119. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 2, 2018 at 11:00 am
    Stupid idea – let Hillary win because trump is a boorish, egotistical, immoral pig.
    One stupid idea that was not followed, thank God!

    – Not as stupid as you allowing Trump to define what conservatism is and destroy the Republican Party in the process.

  120. Tina says:

    Yes, let hillary win.

    She deserved it.

    Jebot

  121. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    March 2, 2018 at 11:10 am
    Yes, let hillary win.
    She deserved it.
    Jebot

    – I’m surprised you were able to get out of bed this morning after you read the IG report about McCabe.

    McCabe was criticized by the IG for leaking information about….wait for it….Hillary Clinton.

    Ha!

  122. Chicon says:

    117 – aren’t you advocating that a candidate say one thing to get elected, and then “evolve” once in office? His stances on trade were one of several policy stances that helped get blue collar workers and win the Rust Belt.

  123. Tina says:

    That is not the ig report.

  124. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    March 2, 2018 at 11:14 am
    117 – aren’t you advocating that a candidate say one thing to get elected, and then “evolve” once in office? His stances on trade were one of several policy stances that helped get blue collar workers and win the Rust Belt.

    – No. I’m advocating for candidates who run on a competent, conservative philosophy. I’m advocating for candidates who don’t say stupid things and then we have to hope they don’t act on the stupid things they said.

  125. Tina says:

    And he was demoted for some apparent reason.

  126. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    March 2, 2018 at 11:17 am
    That is not the ig report.

    – Bless your heart.

  127. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    March 2, 2018 at 11:18 am
    And he was demoted for some apparent reason.

    – For leaking about Clinton.

  128. Tina says:

    The ig report is not out. You stupidly remarked about a ny times article that is simpky wrong.

    But have at it, hilbot.

  129. Tina says:

    And it is 4 unnamed sources, wp suggests that they are associated with mccabe himself.

    You are beyond dumb.

  130. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    March 2, 2018 at 11:22 am
    The ig report is not out. You stupidly remarked about a ny times article that is simpky wrong.

    – LOL.

  131. Tina says:

    From the jebot ny times article

    Mr. Trump has seized on that issue in repeatedly criticizing Mr. McCabe, a lifelong Republican who did not vote in the 2016 election. In face-to-face meetings with Mr. McCabe, the president questioned how he had voted and needled him about his wife. In one instance, he called Mrs. McCabe “a loser,” according to people familiar with the conversation, which was first reported by NBC News.

    This is all false.

  132. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon is correct. Liberals have contempt for conservatives. Conservatives have contempt for liberals.

    “But Bitter, liberals are worse because they are wrong and we are right in…3…2…1…”

  133. Chicon says:

    128 – Trump ran on helping blue collar workers, and talked about tariffs. He won the Republican nomination anyway. He won several states because of it. He’s now doing what he said.

    I get you didn’t want him – neither did I – but he did win and should try to implement the agenda on which he ran.

  134. Tina says:

    Nt, beotches

  135. lisab says:

    Justice Thomas recently wondered what remains that binds us as Americans. Good question.
    ——————————————
    i also think it is a good question.

    there was a time when the owners of factories and businesses lived in the city/town where the factories and businesses were located. for example, you can see many dilapidated mansions in detroit. also, banks were owned by a local family and they did not want to foreclose on you, they also lived in the area and did not want to depress the city.

    the executives lived there and they had to face their neighbors if they had layoffs etc. they had “skin in the game” as the saying goes.

    in one sense this was bad as people tended to help their own local people, i.e. italian americans helped the italian neighborhood, irish americans helped the irish neighborhood, etc.

    however, now in this day of the internet and remote executives, where the owners of a business may live in NYC or San Francisco and never actually step foot in the actual factories in the midwest

    their loyalties are really to themselves and others in their social class. if they close a factory in detroit and open one in mexico, it does not affect them in the least. they have no loyalty whatsoever to their workers in michigan or pennsylvania etc. because they are off skiing in switzerland

  136. SoHope says:

    I was meeting with a client and MSNBC was on in the background. It was interesting hearing die-hard liberals who were calling for a $15 minimum wage, high taxes on corporations, cap and trade that would hurt American business, tons of regulations, and punishing companies that outsource jobs overseas but they were worried about how a steel and aluminum tariff was going to make cars and cans of soup more expensive.

    I’m beginning to think if Trump declared he was supporting 100% the Democratic platform that they would oppose him based on reflex.

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