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Dem Leads in PA Special Election by 3%

Trouble for Republicans in next week’s special election for a vacant US House seat according to a new poll from Emerson College.

US HOUSE – PENNSYLVANIA – CD18 SPECIAL (Emerson)
Conor Lamb (D) 48%
Rick Saccone (D) 45%

This poll was done March 1-3 among 474 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 10:31 am
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377 Responses to “Dem Leads in PA Special Election by 3%”

  1. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Last night’s Academy Awards’ showed bombed according to early Nielsen Reports.

    http://deadline.com/2018/03/oscar-ratings-down-all-time-low-viewership-1202310775/

  2. mnw says:

    As posted previously, the poll was conducted via robocalls and an online sample.

    It has Trump’s JA among those polled at 47%, which sounds low, because he carried the district by 20 points, & RAS his national JA today at 48. So Trump is less popular in deep red PA-18 than he is nationally?

    I have also never forgotten that Emerson posted just 24 hours or so before the AL Sen election that “Jones has no realistic path to victory.”

  3. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    mwn
    The difference between today’s Emerson Poll showing Saccone -3 and the recent Monmouth Poll showing him +3 is Westmoreland County.
    Emerson shows Saccone ahead in Westmoreland by 4 pts./ Monmouth has Saccone +29.

  4. mnw says:

    Sheep

    We’ll have to hope Trump can fire up his people to go vote when he goes there next weekend.

  5. jason says:

    But this is a part of a main agenda point that lured people to him – “I will protect Americans first/don’t mess with the USA”

    Except it really doesn’t protect anybody in the long run.

    As the Koch Bros guy said:

    “It hurts the administration politically because trade wars, protectionism, they lead to higher prices for individual Americans,” Phillips said. “It’s basically a tax increase.”

    I am all for keeping campaign promises, but I think Trump should always look at a bigger picture.

    Did he promise “tariffs” or did he promise “jobs”.

    If he delivers on jobs and taxes, he doesn’t need tariffs.

  6. jason says:

    It’s amazing.

    Many people didn’t want to see the liberal Hollywood elite’s political opinions for 3 hours?

    Shocking.

    I hear someone promoted “intersectionality” during an award.

    I admit I don’t know what it meant so for our education here it is:

    “the interconnected nature of social categorizations such as race, class, and gender as they apply to a given individual or group, regarded as creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage”

  7. jason says:

    I am not going to re-weight the poll.

    Trump’s popularity is not the only factor in a local election, so if he is at 47% in district or 60% Saccone could still win or lose.

    It is what it is.

    Saccone should run like he is 3 points behind, no down side to that.

  8. Mr.Vito says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 11:29 am

    “If he delivers on jobs and taxes, he doesn’t need tariffs.”

    Neither did Reagan then… but he did it anyway.

    Of course Trump wouldnt know… so when in doubt…

  9. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Why did the Obama Administration start an investigation into the Trump Campaign (with zero proof of wrongdoing) long before the Election in November? Wanted to discredit so Crooked H would win. Unprecedented. Bigger than Watergate! Plus, Obama did NOTHING about Russian meddling.
    5:22 AM · Mar 5, 2018

  10. Chicon says:

    Mnw – JayBo out for the year, Upshaw for a month. When it rains, it pours. Still, hanging in there, two points out of the playoffs.

  11. Chicon says:

    Meant Upshall in 10.

  12. jason says:

    Trump at Gridiron Dinner:

    “After all, you the New York Times are an icon. I’m a New York icon, you’re a New York icon, and the only difference is, I still own my buildings”

  13. jason says:

    I wish I could believe Trump would use Reagan as a role model.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think anything could be farther from the truth.

  14. Tina says:

    Trumps last tweet is bound to trigger somebody that rhymes with lolly.

  15. jason says:

    The only Oscar nominated movie I saw was Dunkirk.

    I thought it was fabulous.

    Anyone see “The Shape of Water”?

  16. jason says:

    Surprised Wobbie isn’t here yet.

    He should be attracted to the PA poll like maggots to roadkill.

  17. Mr.Vito says:

    “Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 11:20 am

    And I bet if Trump is at 42 approval like Reagan was at the midterm, the GOP will lose 26 house seats and gain a senate seat.

    Like Reagan did…”

    Of course, it was until after that loss that Reagan caved on the gas tax for infrastructure and portrayed it as a ‘jobs bill’. Someone with no policy experience might think… maybe we should do it before the midterms this time.

  18. Mr.Vito says:

    “…somebody that rhymes with lolly.”

    Buddy Holly?

  19. Bitterlaw says:

    I only saw 4 movies that were nominated for anything. Dunkirk was great. Get Out sucked (not because of the racial message but because it sucked). Star Wars was good. Wonder Woman was hot. The movie was ok.

    We watched some of the Oscars because my daughter is a huge Dunkirk fan and wanted to see if it won any awards. Best Sound Editing, bitches.

  20. Bitterlaw says:

    We watched on my wife’s iPad. It was a cold, dark night.

  21. Bitterlaw says:

    My daughter wants to see Darkest Hour and Black Panther. My wife wants to see The Shape of Water and the Three Billboards movie.

  22. Mr.Vito says:

    By the way, Reagan campaign manager and consultant Ed Rollins oversees Trump’s superPAC. I guarantee he is involved in policy.

  23. Mr.Vito says:

    In sharing policy from the 80s at least.

  24. jason says:

    Of course Trump wouldnt know… so when in doubt…”

    Trump is a crony capitalist. He is a protectionist from way back, he is not in doubt. He doesn’t believe in free trade.

    Comparing him to Reagan is foolish because even if Reagan was a hard core protectionist, which he wasn’t, it wouldn’t make Trump’s current tariffs any smarter.

    He thinks we should build a lot of crap people buy at Walmart here instead of China, without realizing if they are built here nobody will actually want to pay the new price for them. Plus we will lose the jobs and taxes involved in the supply chain of these items. WM employs 2.3 million people and sells 500 billion a year and pays taxes on it. Probably at least half of what they sell is imports, they import $50 billion from China alone.

    So there is a whole other side to the morons who think imposing tariffs is a quick and easy solution without any consequences.

  25. Tina says:

    I saw no movies. I will not pay for the sheot from hollywood. Not a ban on my part, however.

  26. jason says:

    Best Sound Editing, bitches.”

    It won more than that….

  27. Tina says:

    16 percent is greater than the year over year nfl ratings plunge.

  28. Mr.Vito says:

    “Trump is a crony capitalist.”

    And now he is president and can’t do that. He needs to do something, but has no policies… hmmm… who did a good job as president in Trump’s mind?

    “Comparing him to Reagan is foolish…”

    Nobody has. The rest is irrelevant. Trump doesn’t care about conservatism.

  29. jason says:

    I am not a fan of Ed Rollins….

    But in any case if he can make Trump more like Reagan he has my support.

  30. Tina says:

    House chamber of commerce to block trumps tariffs.

  31. Chicon says:

    “So there is a whole other side to the morons who think imposing tariffs is a quick and easy solution without any consequences.”

    Not sure who said this.

    Wars are also rarely quick and easy, and often have consequences. Yet, they happen.

  32. Tina says:

    Nick Short ??
    Nick Short ??
    @PoliticalShort
    ·
    13h
    .@SenateMajLdr knows this, so why isn’t he enforcing the Senate rules? By not doing this, he is allowing the Dems to not only work less days in Senate & campaign more at home (ALL 23 of them), but he’s also allowing the Dems to block crucial nominees like @RichardGrenell. Why?!

    Mitchie is failing again.

  33. Mr.Vito says:

    Ed Rollins isn’t my favorite, but he is no dummy. He was never-Hillary and saw a blank slate someone could imprint policy onto… try to make lemonade with the lemon you got.

  34. jason says:

    And now he is president and can’t do that”

    Maybe, but he can still think like one.

    hmmm… who did a good job as president in Trump’s mind?”

    Yeah, you keep coming back to that, but we are going to disagree that its Reagan.

    I don’t believe Trump sees Reagan as a model or inspiration at all, I wish he did.

  35. Mr.Vito says:

    “…but we are going to disagree that its Reagan. I don’t believe Trump sees Reagan as a model or inspiration at all, I wish he did.”

    Well, I have offered a lot of evidence.

    You are welcome to offer yours.

  36. Mr.Vito says:

    Frankly, I think the idea that Trump would not admire or emulate Reagan is just a spiteful one.

  37. Chicon says:

    Imo, Presidents get judged on what they accomplish (positive or negative), not on what the hope(d) to accomplish.

  38. jason says:

    I think Rollins’ time has passed, frankly.

    He is no Bob Shrum, granted, but he is supporting deadender Kelli Ward for the AZ senate, which make me question his judgment.

  39. Mr.Vito says:

    Donald Trump professes love for Ronald Reagan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tZVKfsry3k

  40. jason says:

    Frankly, I think the idea that Trump would not admire or emulate Reagan is just a spiteful one.”

    Silly, I am very pragmatic about Trump and have abandoned my campaign rhetoric long ago, even earning the HHR Biggest Fraud award for it.

    I have been very supportive of Trump on a lot of his policies, but trade is not one of them.

    I just don’t think Trump feels any connection to Reagan and he certainly doesn’t display any if he does. To me Reagan is the antithesis of Trump and it wouldn’t surprise me if Trump feels the same way.

    And no, I don’t think Trump is trying to emulate Reagan. At all.

    Nothing spiteful about it. Trump can be a very successful President without being anything like Reagan.

  41. Mr.Vito says:

    “Silly”

    Nope.

  42. jason says:

    Donald Trump professes love for Ronald Reagan”

    Oh puhhhleeease….

    I can show you a video where Trump says Hillary would be a great President.

  43. jason says:

    It’s spiteful for me to disagree that Trump emulates Reagan?

    Really?

  44. Chicon says:

    42 – could all be true. Yet, I think Trump is a highly competitive person who knows he’ll be compared to previous Presidents. I could easily see him driven to look at least comparable in the long run. But I do think Trump has a more fluid philosophical foundation than Reagan.

  45. jason says:

    I have been defending a lot of Trump’s policies and actions here for months.

    Even some of the more controversial ones like his tweets.

    Hard to make a case I am “spiteful” against him.

  46. Mr.Vito says:

    “Really?”

    It will never be silly to question whether you might be spiteful. There is no reason to think he would not like Reagan… yet, there you are.

  47. Mr.Vito says:

    “Hard to make a case I am “spiteful” against him.”

    It wouldn’t have anything to do with him.

  48. jason says:

    But I do think Trump has a more fluid philosophical foundation than Reagan.”

    Heh, very diplomatically put.

    I am writing Trump to recommend you for Ambassador to Somewhere.

  49. Chicon says:

    To me, Trump wants a long list of accomplishments when he’s done – so he can brag about it. Congress has/had an opportunity to get enacted whatever it passed.

  50. jason says:

    here is no reason to think he would not like Reagan… yet, there you are.”

    Let’s not move the goalposts too far.

    I said I don’t think he uses Reagan as a role model or tries to emulate him.

    I never said he “didn’t like him”.

  51. Chicon says:

    50 – lol, I thought you’d like that.

  52. Mr.Vito says:

    “Oh puhhhleeease….

    I can show you a video where Trump says Hillary would be a great President.”

    You are free to present a video where Trump says Reagan was not a great President, which would actually be germane.

  53. jason says:

    Let me be clear.

    I doubt Trump thinks much about Reagan as a role model or is interested in emulating him. Certainly I have seen nothing to support that theory.

    As far as liking Reagan as a person or admiring his accomplishments maybe he does.

    These are two different things.

  54. Tina says:

    Fraud steele is now claiming that the kremlin blocked quittens romney from becoming sos. While i think trump and romneys relationship is not that tight, steels claims are far fetched.

  55. Mr.Vito says:

    “Let’s not move the goalposts too far.”

    “To me Reagan is the antithesis of Trump and it wouldn’t surprise me if Trump feels the same way.”

    Apparently some people like their “antithesis”… but, fair enough.

    At any rate, that quote by you is plain “silly”.

  56. jason says:

    ou are free to present a video where Trump says Reagan was not a great President,”

    Moving the goalposts again.

    I don’t know if Trump thinks Reagan was a good President. Maybe he does.

    I don’t think he sees Reagan as a role model or someone he wants to emulate either in terms of demeanor or policy.

    Both can be true.

  57. Mr.Vito says:

    And certainly leaves one with “spite” as an possible explanation….

  58. Tina says:

    I do not think romeny was a front runner for sos, despite steeles allegations.

  59. Mr.Vito says:

    “Both can be true.”

    Interesting hypothesis.

    But, no. Not buying what you’re selling.

  60. Tina says:

    Reagan gave us

    A tax increase,

    Amnesty

    Protectionism, as I mentioned regarding japanese autos and electronics,

    Errred with kennedy, o connor picks.

    Still, a great president despite the above.

  61. jason says:

    nd certainly leaves one with “spite” as an possible explanation…”

    Not really, unless you can give me a motive of why I would want to be spiteful against Trump at this point.

    Certainly you could say that during the campaign, but I have rooted for his success from day one of his Presidency.

  62. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 5, 2018 at 11:49 am
    Surprised Wobbie isn’t here yet.
    He should be attracted to the PA poll like maggots to roadkill.

    – “Like maggots to roadkill” is the way I view you when you show up to defend Trump’s worst decisions or defend good ole Roy molesting a 14 year old girl.

    I’ll be interested to how you eventually rationalize Trump’s tariffs. You will. You just haven’t figured out how to get there yet and reconcile it with you chest beating from the last year that you disagree with Trump’s trade policies.

  63. jason says:

    But, no. Not buying what you’re selling.”

    Fair enough.

    I am certainly not buying the idea that Trump sees Reagan as a role mode or tries to emulated him.

  64. Mr.Vito says:

    “Moving the goalposts again.”

    Nah, but you are still welcome to nail them down by providing any sort of actual evidence for your opinion to make it more respectable.

  65. jason says:

    defend good ole Roy molesting a 14 year old girl.”

    Wow, talk about moving goalposts.

    That quote might be harder to find than the one you are looking for, where I said Trump was a Republican.

  66. Mr.Vito says:

    “…why I would want to be spiteful against Trump at this point. ”

    I already said it would have nothing to do with Trump. It would have to do with you.

  67. Tina says:

    Regarding steele, he lied or Senior leadership of the fbi under the obumbler regime lied.

    Trump got rid of lying comedy and mccabe is out as is several others.

  68. Tina says:

    Muh moore.

    What about muh trade war?

    Btw, where is the ig report? I read here that it was available.

  69. Mr.Vito says:

    “…or defend good ole Roy molesting a 14 year old girl.”

    Speaking of “spite”… um, no.

    jason didn’t even defend Moore when his son got arrested under ‘convenient’ circumstance…

    Robbie has gone totally fact-free…

  70. jason says:

    Nah, but you are still welcome to nail them down by providing any sort of actual evidence for your opinion to make it more respectable.”

    What is your evidence for your claim that Trump uses Reagan as a role model?

    His demeanor? Reagan was arguably the most congenial President in history, do you think he would ever tell McCain he only admired people who didn’t get captured, or insulting his Majority leaders in Congress?

    I just don’t see it. To me they are complete opposites on just about everything.

    Sue me.

  71. jason says:

    Steele is just proving he is partisan scum.

  72. Tina says:

    I do not understand why mitchie cannot get trhough grennell as the german ambassador.

    Ridiculous,

    He is qualified. A former bush appointee. One of the more comoetent people in that administration actually.

  73. jason says:

    Speaking of amoral scumbags, this has to be a new low.

    “defend good ole Roy molesting a 14 year old girl”

  74. Robbie says:

    My guess is the Republican still narrowly wins the PA special election, but the result Emerson found is right in line with what I’d expect to see for a party heavily weighed down by a very unpopular president of its own party.

    As I’ve been saying since last March, the best predictor for a midterm election is the president’s approval rating. The lower it is, the worse the president’s party does. See Clinton 1994, Bush 2006, Obama 2010, and Obama 2014.

    If Trump’s approval rating stays as low as it is now in the RCP average (it probably will), it suggests a terrible result for the House in November. The Senate’s a different animal for various reason, but the PA special election result, should the Republican lose, will cause widespread panic and probably more retirements.

    In 1974, it was the loss of a Michigan House seat in a special election that crystalized for Republicans that something had to be done about Nixon.

  75. Mr.Vito says:

    “What is your evidence for your claim that Trump uses Reagan as a role model?”

    Just about every post I’ve made today supports it, but I as I said… it is easier to lob grenades and pretend you didn’t see anything.

  76. Mr.Vito says:

    Robbie is right. Trump is right where Reagan was at this point before his midterm.

  77. Mr.Vito says:

    It sucks when a crappy president weighs the party down.

  78. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 5, 2018 at 12:09 pm
    I am not a fan of Ed Rollins….
    But in any case if he can make Trump more like Reagan he has my support.

    – Rollins is a clown who hasn’t been part of mainstream Republican politics in a long time. In 2008, he ran Governor Cornpone’s campaign. Right now, he runs Chemtrail Kelli Ward’s Senate campaign.

    He’s a grifter looking to make one last buck before he’s finally put out to pasture.

  79. Bitterlaw says:

    I like other A-holes but I don’t see them as role models or emulate them.

  80. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 12:42 pm
    “…or defend good ole Roy molesting a 14 year old girl.”
    Speaking of “spite”… um, no.
    jason didn’t even defend Moore when his son got arrested under ‘convenient’ circumstance…
    Robbie has gone totally fact-free…

    – Umm, despite the extremely credible allegations, Jason said he wanted to good ole Roy to win. If you’re ok with a deviant like that winning simply because he has a R after his name, then you’ve got problems.

  81. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 5, 2018 at 12:45 pm
    Steele is just proving he is partisan scum.

    – Very similar to those who wanted Roy Moore to win simply because he has a R next to his name like you.

  82. Mr.Vito says:

    You know what else I bet sucked? when Nixon had his 53 percent approval and lost 48 seats or when eisenhower’s was 57 and the GOP lost 48 seats.

    Also, when FDR had god-like approval and lost 126 seats in two midterms combined.

    Also, when Bush was at 57 and lost seats.

    So many crap presidents costing seats.

  83. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 5, 2018 at 12:46 pm
    Speaking of amoral scumbags, this has to be a new low.
    “defend good ole Roy molesting a 14 year old girl”

    – You were the guy who spent weeks saying the allegations were a political hit job and you were the guy who said you still wanted him to win because the Democrat was worse. Not me.

  84. Mr.Vito says:

    “Umm…”

    That is a good catch-phrase for you.

    jason wanted Jones to lose by a vote and for Moore to get impeached.

    You wanted Trump to lose… but that does not mean you supported Hillary.

    Fair is fair. You never are anymore.

  85. Mr.Vito says:

    “the allegations were a political hit job”

    …are you saying the timing was not politically motivated? Because that is what he said.

  86. Chicon says:

    84 – I’ve pointed this out to Robbie several times, but it doesn’t fit his schema.

    He knows that almost every President loses seats two years in, and sees this as an opportunity to bash Trump.

  87. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 12:49 pm
    Robbie is right. Trump is right where Reagan was at this point before his midterm.

    – The lack of awareness those who were conned by Trump show each and every day amazes me.

    First, let’s stop with the asinine comparisons between Reagan and Trump. Reagan actually believed in conservative policy. Trump believes only in himself. He doesn’t care one bit about policy.

    Second, let’s not for one moment compare the circumstances Reagan inherited in 1981 to the circumstances Trump inherited. Reagan took over a country in economic shambles. We were already heading in the worst recession since the depression and American foreign policy was a wreck. On top of that, Reagan had to work with a Democrat controlled House.

    When Agent Orange took over, the economy was doing quite well, both House of Congress were Republican, and there was relative peace and prosperity in the world. There certainly was no stagflation, Soviet menace, or Iran hostage situation.

  88. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 12:50 pm
    It sucks when a crappy president weighs the party down.

    – What sucks is watching people who fell for Trump’s conman routine try and compare Trump to Reagan. It’s embarrassing.

  89. Mr.Vito says:

    “The lack of awareness those who were conned by Trump show each and every day amazes me.”

    You are constantly amazed. Are you four? if not, it is probably you.

    “First, let’s stop with the asinine comparisons between Reagan and Trump.”

    None were made.

    “Second, let’s not for one moment compare the circumstances Reagan inherited in 1981 to the circumstances Trump inherited. ”

    No one did.

    Maybe you should stop talking and try listening more carefully to the nuance of what was being discussed.

    Even jason figured that out; but you think he’s the moron.

  90. Mr.Vito says:

    “…try and compare Trump to Reagan. It’s embarrassing.”

    As embarrassing as being wrong about your point, having no answers, calling out names, lying, and using poor grammar like “try and compare” will calling other people fools?

  91. Mr.Vito says:

    will = while

  92. mnw says:

    I don’t like the fact that I commented on this poll, & somebody said, “I’m not reweighting this poll.”

    Straw man much? Neither did I.

  93. NYCmike says:

    “Robbie has gone totally fact-free…”

    -Don’t stop, Robbie! You are a good source of laughter!

    (Chris McDaniel, Seth Rich, pizzagate, “extremely credible allegations”, double-secret probation, etc….)

  94. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 12:56 pm
    You know what else I bet sucked? when Nixon had his 53 percent approval and lost 48 seats or when eisenhower’s was 57 and the GOP lost 48 seats.
    Also, when FDR had god-like approval and lost 126 seats in two midterms combined.

    – Oh, I see. We’re going to compare the politics of the 1950’s and 1930’s with the politics of 2018. That’s laughable.

    The political atmosphere in the 1950’s is so totally different from what we have today that I can’t even imagine why you would try and compare the two.

    Most importantly, neither party was ideologically pure then as they are today. There were large numbers of liberals in the Republican Party and there were large numbers of conservatives in the Democrat Party.

    Look at the last two midterm elections when presidents had approval ratings above 50%. In 1998, Democrats surprisingly won seats. In 2002, Republicans surprisingly won seats.

  95. Chicon says:

    Vito, did you also know the Mueller is a Special Council? Pointed out nicely that it is Special Counsel, but he went with personal insults and kept making the same mistake.

  96. Mr.Vito says:

    “84 – I’ve pointed this out to Robbie several times, but it doesn’t fit his schema.”

    Well, maybe you need to go to his level. If you throw a tantrum and lie about everything, maybe he’ll see things your way.

  97. NYCmike says:

    On the last thread, Mr. Vito gave a list of things done while Reagan was President.

    Robbie will present evidence to show they are wrong in 3…..2…..1….

  98. NYCmike says:

    C

  99. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 12:59 pm
    “Umm…”
    That is a good catch-phrase for you.
    jason wanted Jones to lose by a vote and for Moore to get impeached.

    – Yeah, because the Senate, controlled by Republicans, was totally going to boot out of the Senate a candidate Trump wholeheartedly endorsed. That was never going to happen.

  100. Tina says:

    Conversation
    Jesper Weigner
    Jesper Weigner
    @jespernweigner
    Yay, trade war. What could possibly go wrong? .@realDonaldTrump is running the US government like the mobbed-up thug that he is. As a protection racket. Either you pay him or you get it in the neck. #tariffs

    More muh trade war.

  101. NYCmike says:

    “That was never going to happen.”

    -Kind of like Trump getting elected……

  102. Chicon says:

    96 – a few facts I’m sure you’re aware of… 1998 was not two years into Clinton’s 1st term. 2002 was post-9/11, which helps that case stand out as an exception.

  103. Mr.Vito says:

    “Oh, I see. We’re going to compare the politics of the 1950’s and 1930’s with the politics of 2018.”

    No. We are going to compare your premise with facts.

    You are going to first change the facts (I listed examples from the 40s all the way to the 90s), and then as always, say why those facts don’t matter.

  104. Mr.Vito says:

    “because the Senate, controlled by Republicans, was totally going to boot out of the Senate…”

    And yet, the Democrats who had neither managed to boot out one of theirs…

    You have a lower opinion of your party than I do.
    See:

    “You are going to first change the facts, and then as always, say why those facts don’t matter.”

  105. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:11 pm
    “…try and compare Trump to Reagan. It’s embarrassing.”
    As embarrassing as being wrong about your point, having no answers, calling out names, lying, and using poor grammar like “try and compare” will calling other people fools?

    – Sorry, but the rules of the road changed here a long time ago. This is the land of the wolves. Go hard or go home.

  106. Tina says:

    Yeah, we will lose house seats.

    But, if we lose the house, we get muh impeachment.

    Muh impeqchment is the jebots wet dream.

  107. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/jespernweigner/status/956384131616657410

    -This Jesper character is re-tweeting Babs Streisand……and she is claiming that “Donald Trump and the GOP keep attacking the loyal men and women in the FBI.”

    Trump has NEVER attacked the loyal men and women in the FBI, nor has the GOP.

    Trump and the GOP have attacked the leadership/political appointments of the FBI, and with good reason.

  108. Tina says:

    Muh imoeachment is on the table and madame dementia becomes speaker likely.

  109. Tina says:

    The fbi leadership that participated in the hoax are the problem. They are un american and deserved to be punished.

  110. Mr.Vito says:

    Do you read lifelines, too, Robbie?

    How about phrenology? I don’t think those bumps on your head will tell your fortune.

  111. Tina says:

    Forcing them out and stripp8ng their pensions would be one form of punishment.

  112. Tina says:

    Trump indicates no tariffs on aluminum or steele, if nafta changed.

    Nafta is and was hirrible. The bushies dis not negotiate well and clinton did nothing to stop it.

    Nafta, as negotiated, back doors china.

  113. Mr.Vito says:

    “… the rules of the road changed here a long time ago…”

    How so? When you act like a fool, we still call you a fool.

    At the unforeseen time you actually try to make an actual point, it will be considered… but no free lunch.

  114. NYCmike says:

    ” I don’t think those bumps on your head will tell your fortune.”

    -I thought that was braille for blind mind readers.

  115. Tina says:

    I am not optimistic about saccone, he is campaigning more like jeb bush. The drat has taken many pro trump positions and is more charismatic,

  116. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:03 pm
    84 – I’ve pointed this out to Robbie several times, but it doesn’t fit his schema.
    He knows that almost every President loses seats two years in, and sees this as an opportunity to bash Trump.

    – Wrong, conspiracy theorist. I am well aware of the history of midterm elections. President’s almost always lose seats. But the Trump apologists here refuse to accept that Trump’s very low approval rating is going to take what might have been a 10 seat loss and turn it into a 40 seat loss.

  117. Mr.Vito says:

    “Go hard or go home.”

    Facts tend to hit the hardest… do you plan to use any?

  118. Tina says:

    Yes, the rules of the road have changed.

    In my state, illegals have licenses.

    Hybrids are popular.

  119. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:13 pm
    “Robbie has gone totally fact-free…”
    -Don’t stop, Robbie! You are a good source of laughter!
    (Chris McDaniel, Seth Rich, pizzagate, “extremely credible allegations”, double-secret probation, etc….)

    – I would have thought totally fact free would apply to you view the RAISE Act should be popular?

  120. jason says:

    “I’ll be interested to how you eventually rationalize Trump’s tariffs.”

    LOL

    Amoral scum strikes again.

    If you had been here a little earlier and read the threads you would see I attacked Trump for the tariffs non-stop.

    Your lying is beyond pathological.

  121. Tina says:

    Where is the ig report?

  122. NYCmike says:

    ” But the Trump apologists here refuse to accept that Trump’s very low approval rating is going to take what might have been a 10 seat loss and turn it into a 40 seat loss.”

    -Chicon,

    What was the average loss of seats for a 1st term President?

  123. Mr.Vito says:

    “…refuse to accept that Trump’s very low approval rating is going to take what might have been a 10 seat loss and turn it into a 40 seat loss.”

    We accept facts. Got some?

    Maybe if Bush’s approval were 67 instead of 57 he would not have lost seats… unless he were named eisenhower.

  124. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:15 pm
    On the last thread, Mr. Vito gave a list of things done while Reagan was President.
    Robbie will present evidence to show they are wrong in 3…..2…..1….

    – NYCmike and so many others are so invested in protecting Trump they feel the need to laughably claim that Trump is like Reagan when it’s not even remotely true.

    Reagan, by word and deed, had a clear interest and concern for conservative policy. Trump, by word and deed, has a clear interest and concern for himself and nothing else.

  125. Tina says:

    Sean Davis
    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
    If it’s a federal crime for foreigners to interfere in U.S. elections, when can we expect the indictment of Christopher Steele, who lied to federal officials and fed them false information?
    4:37 PM · Feb 16, 2018

  126. Tina says:

    Renzi has resigned,

    He can join the illegals now.

  127. jason says:

    Did you see the fake “we support our military” segment the Oscars had last night?

    Got polite applause and then it moved on back to Trump bashing.

  128. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:17 pm
    96 – a few facts I’m sure you’re aware of… 1998 was not two years into Clinton’s 1st term. 2002 was post-9/11, which helps that case stand out as an exception.

    – Yes, conspiracy theorist. I’m well aware 1998 was Clinton’s second midterm. Are you aware that he was also facing impeachment for Monica Lewinsky. Yet despite that, his party did extremely well because the economy was very good AND he had a high approval rating.

  129. Mr.Vito says:

    “…refuse to accept that Trump’s very low approval rating is going to … turn … into a 40 seat loss.”

    See… if Robbie just stuck with the facts, he would have company:

    “Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 11:20 am

    And I bet if Trump is at 42 approval like Reagan was at the midterm, the GOP will lose 26 house seats and gain a senate seat.”

  130. jason says:

    ” But the Trump apologists here refuse to accept that Trump’s very low approval rating is going to take what might have been a 10 seat loss and turn it into a 40 seat loss.”

    No, I think most of us don’t accept “IS GOING TO HAPPEN” as opposed to may happen.

    Amoral scum.

  131. NYCmike says:

    The RAISE ACT isn’t popular?

    Only 1 issue has been raised against it: the number of legal immigrants.

    All of the other items in the act have popular support, among both Republican and Independent voters.

    I am not sure why McConnell won’t bring it up for a vote, but patience is a virtue, and Rome was not built, nor was it torn down, in a day. D.C/K Street is similar.

  132. Tina says:

    Did the host ask for a bj on tv?

    You know the fake comedian?

  133. New York City says:

    In my state, illegals have licenses.”

    But WE ARE WINNING.

  134. Mr.Vito says:

    Mike: Mr. Vito gave a list of things done while Reagan was President.

    Robbie: laughably claim that Trump is like Reagan

    Where was Trump even mentioned there?

  135. NYCmike says:

    “– NYCmike and so many others are so invested in protecting Trump they feel the need to laughably claim that Trump is like Reagan when it’s not even remotely true.”

    -Wait…..I am confused…..again (that was so jason didn’t have to write it!)…….Reagan and Bush did NOT put tariffs on, like Trump is saying he will?

  136. jason says:

    “Only 1 issue has been raised against it: the number of legal immigrants.”

    Is that like saying the only problem with Hitler was he got 60 million people killed in WWII?

    I am not sure why McConnell won’t bring it up for a vote,”

    Let me explain it to you again: most of the GOP caucus is not going to approve a 50% cut in legal immigration.

  137. Mr.Vito says:

    “his party did extremely well because the economy was very good AND he had a high approval rating…”

    or, maybe it was just the economy, stupid…

  138. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:17 pm
    “Oh, I see. We’re going to compare the politics of the 1950’s and 1930’s with the politics of 2018.”
    No. We are going to compare your premise with facts.
    You are going to first change the facts (I listed examples from the 40s all the way to the 90s), and then as always, say why those facts don’t matter.

    – This is so phony. You mentioned that Republicans lost a lot of seats even though Ike had a high approval rating and I pointed out that comparing the 1950’s to today laughable because it is. The political structure of the country has changed markedly.

    I get it. The Trumpsters are already looking for ways to claim the upcoming losses in November aren’t their guy’s fault. So what do they do? Well, when they’re not comparing Trump favorably to Reagan, they point out that even when presidents 50 and 60 years ago had high approval ratings, their parties still lost seats.

  139. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:19 pm
    Yeah, we will lose house seats.
    But, if we lose the house, we get muh impeachment.
    Muh impeqchment is the jebots wet dream.

    – Actually, no. While I have immense disgust for Trump and would love to see him decide to quit, impeaching a president would be disastrous for the Republican Party for years to come.

  140. Mr.Vito says:

    “This is so phony.”

    Care to point out how? You didn’t there.

    “I get it.”

    You haven’t gotten anything but the flu in a long, long time.

  141. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:26 pm
    “I’ll be interested to how you eventually rationalize Trump’s tariffs.”
    LOL
    Amoral scum strikes again.
    If you had been here a little earlier and read the threads you would see I attacked Trump for the tariffs non-stop.
    Your lying is beyond pathological.

    – Good. I’m glad you have decided to hold onto some modicum of your integrity.

  142. Tina says:

    Here is the average loss for a presidents midterm,

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/141812/avg-midterm-seat-loss-presidents-below-approval. aspx.

    First midterms are brutal.

    1998 and 2002 were atypical for the reasons cited by chicon

  143. Tina says:

    Muh concern iver muh imoeachment.

    Trump must muh quit now.

  144. Tina says:

    If trump quit muh twitter, he can explain to folks that the economy is strong.

    The media will help him too.

  145. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:21 pm
    Do you read lifelines, too, Robbie?
    How about phrenology? I don’t think those bumps on your head will tell your fortune.

    – When it was clear in early 2010 Democrats were headed to a disastrous showing that year, they made arguments like this as well.

    Can facts change between now and election day? Absolutely. Could Trump turn over a new leaf and act with some discipline? Sure. Is that likely to happen? Not based on the past three years.

    Midterms are a referendum on the president’s leadership. They always have been and they always will be.

  146. Mr.Vito says:

    “You are going to first change the facts (I listed examples from the 40s all the way to the 90s)…”

    Robbie: You mentioned… Ike…

    I guess if you only read about 10% of everything, you turn out like Robbie.

  147. Tina says:

    I think trump has managed to rattle canadian pm, justin bieber, and the mexican president.

    They will settle on something.

    Both are weak leaders. Lets see how much more justin bieber can embarass himself, like he did in India.

  148. NYCmike says:

    Robbie thinks Trump is terrible…….so terrible that he holds him to a higher standard than any other Republican President, other than DUBYA in 2002, was able to accomplish.*

    *and in Dubya’s case, 2006 was a harsh reminder of what was an anomaly in 2002.

  149. Mr.Vito says:

    Vito: How about phrenology? I don’t think those bumps on your head will tell your fortune.

    Robbie: When it was clear in early 2010 Democrats were headed to a disastrous showing that year, they made arguments like this as well.

    Really? So you let the Democrats read the bumps on your head in 2010? Fascinating.

  150. Chicon says:

    Well Robbie now admits that a small loss of House seats is to be expected. What amount of lost seats would be Trump’s fault?

    How will we determine how many seats would have been lost if another R was president?

  151. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Pretty clear that the hillary, russian dossier was forwarded from steele to John Francois Kerry, who served in Vietnam.

  152. NYCmike says:

    “How will we determine how many seats would have been lost if another R was president?”

    -I came to HHR due to the interesting mathematical analysis of polling data that was done by the posters here….I think looking at history as a guide would be a help in determining that number.

  153. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:28 pm
    “…refuse to accept that Trump’s very low approval rating is going to take what might have been a 10 seat loss and turn it into a 40 seat loss.”
    We accept facts. Got some?
    Maybe if Bush’s approval were 67 instead of 57 he would not have lost seats… unless he were named eisenhower.

    – Again, you can continue to believe there is a comparison between the political structure of the country in the 1950’s and today if you want, but that doesn’t make it the case.

    So let’s use the 1990 example which I believe you were mentioning. While Republicans dominated at the presidential level, Democrats dominated at the House level and below. Do you really want to compare today to a time when Democrats routinely had more than 260 House seats, dominated the South politically, and, oh by the way, controlled most state legislatures and gerrymandered the House seats?

    Today, Republicans for the last decade or so have dominated the House and the state legislatures. In 2010, they gerrymandered many of these seats so Republicans could hold onto them.

  154. NYCmike says:

    That jseper character did have a funny tweet:

    Jesper Weigner
    ? @jespernweigner
    Mar 2

    .@realDonaldTrump is calling for the execution of drug dealers. We all know he’s famous for stiffing his suppliers but this still seems a bit extreme.

  155. Tina says:

    Ruh roh.

    We have a problem here.

    http://dailycaller.com/author/chuck-ross/

    If the dossier was unvetted, unverified, why did the fbi submit it.

    Note, comedy testified, under oath, that it was unverified in march and may of 2017.

  156. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:36 pm
    “his party did extremely well because the economy was very good AND he had a high approval rating…”
    or, maybe it was just the economy, stupid…

    – Midterms, whether in the first term or second term, are referendums on the president.

  157. Tina says:

    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    ·
    41m
    Fusion GPS claims it’s not ideologically driven, but all the reporters it briefed on the dossier are major lefties (Mayer, Isikoff, Corn).

  158. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:43 pm
    Muh concern iver muh imoeachment.
    Trump must muh quit now.

    – No. I’ve never said that. I’d like him to quit, but I certainly haven’t demanded that he quit.

  159. Mr.Vito says:

    “Midterms are a referendum on the president’s leadership. They always have been and they always will be.”

    I think Robbie meant except in the 30s 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s and 90s.

  160. jason says:

    “Rretty clear that the hillary, russian dossier was forwarded from steele to John Francois Kerry, who served in Vietnam.”

    Let’s be accurate, he spent Xmas in Cambodia.

  161. jason says:

    I’d like him to quit,”

    Translation: I want to overturn the results of the election because bwahhhhh, Trump destroyed my candidate JEB!.

  162. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:46 pm
    Robbie thinks Trump is terrible…….so terrible that he holds him to a higher standard than any other Republican President, other than DUBYA in 2002, was able to accomplish.*
    *and in Dubya’s case, 2006 was a harsh reminder of what was an anomaly in 2002.

    – Wrong. I thought Clinton should have resigned in 1998 and favored his impeachment and removal over the Lewinsky scandal.

    I supported GWB and still do to this day, although I recognize he made some serious policy mistakes in the second term.

  163. Mr.Vito says:

    Robbie has spent a lot of time proving how so many midterm years were not just a referendum on the president in order to claim it is always a refendum on the president.

  164. Chicon says:

    159 – you’re now talking all mid-terms. Interesting…. Anyway, predicting a loss of seats in the first mid-term is like predicting sun in Phoenix. Happens almost every time.

    When the actual results come in, what metric will you use to determine what the result would have been with a different R President?

  165. Chicon says:

    161 – that’s a material distinction, for sure!

  166. NYCmike says:

    “– Wrong. I thought Clinton should have resigned in 1998…”

    -As Chicon already corrected, 1998 was NOT Clinton’s first term.

    DO YOU READ THE COMMENTS OF OTHERS?

  167. Chicon says:

    Prediction…167 will be responded to with a personal attack only….

  168. NYCmike says:

    Ok, sorry, I thought we were speaking about midterms in the first term.

    Robbie wants to make it about ALL midterm elections NOW……..good……even he is getting accustomed to the idea of President Trump until 2024.

  169. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:49 pm
    Well Robbie now admits that a small loss of House seats is to be expected. What amount of lost seats would be Trump’s fault?
    How will we determine how many seats would have been lost if another R was president?

    – I never argued that Republicans should gain seats in 2018. My argument all along has been that Trump’s very low approval rating was going to turn maybe a 10 seat loss into a 40 seat loss and I still believe that.

    What would the losses look like with another Republican president? Unknowable, but I highly doubt we’d be discussing the possibility of losing the House with another Republican as president.

    Why? First, none of the other candidates would have conducted themselves in the manner Trump has. None would have tweeted themselves into corners because none of them would have personally tweeted. None would have picked public fights with their own cabinet members and called them disgraceful. None would have been tied up by the Mueller investigation.

    Second, let’s not forget the vast majority of the House maps were drawn by Republicans in order to preserve their majorities. That fact alone should have prevented any serious attempt by the Democrats to win back the House, but here we are.

    Third, it’s highly unlikely any of the other Republicans would have had an approval rating so low despite a booming economy or the enactment of tax cuts. Trump has had to work hard to get his approval rating so low in light of the economy.

  170. Chicon says:

    Mike, I posted all the numbers several weeks ago, but didn’t save the info. Sometimes a small loss in the first mid-term, sometimes a huge loss. Rarely, a gain. Tina’s like above didn’t work, unfortunately.

  171. jason says:

    You can bet on day 1 of a Pence presidency Amoral Scum would be attacking him for being a rabid rightwing nutjob intent on destroying the Republican Party.

    Why? Because his name is not Jeb Bush either.

  172. Chicon says:

    172 – key word….unknowable….

  173. NYCmike says:

    Dang, that movie doesn’t come out until November!

  174. Mr.Vito says:

    If we use Robbie’s example from 1990, then we should expect Republicans to do better than expected since they now are in the position the Democrats were. Reagan lost 26 seats at 42% approval. So how many Will trump lose at that approval using his supposed facts?

  175. jason says:

    Amoral scum is a pathological liar.

    He would be here attacking ANY R president not named Jeb Bush in the same vociferous manner, maybe different excuses.

    And so would the MSM.

    Wobbie’s idea that the MSM would accept another R that not Trump is pure fantasy, they would even have turned Jeb Milquetoast Bush into a baby killing machine.

    The only difference is that if it were Jeb, Wobbie would be here defending him against unfair MSM attacks instead of joining in on them.

  176. NYCmike says:

    Kimmel was going after Pence last night, in regards to some film about a 17 year old with a 24 year old.

  177. Chicon says:

    172 – it is also highly likely it is a theoretical argument, since it is unlikely one of the other Republicans would have beat Hillary. Of course, that’s another of those unknowables, eh?

  178. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 1:59 pm
    “Midterms are a referendum on the president’s leadership. They always have been and they always will be.”
    I think Robbie meant except in the 30s 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s and 90s.

    – You simply can’t compare the those eras to today. Our politics and the political composition of the country is just so different. On top of that, the racial composition is so different as well.

    You can certainly make comparisons going back to the 1990’s because that’s when the realigning really began, but even the 1990’s are far different than today. Who are the John Chaffee’s and Bob Packwood’s of today’s Republican party? Who are the Sam Nunn’s and Howell Heflin’s of the Democrat Party?

    The two parties are ideologically pure now and Republicans now form the majority party at the state house level. And starting with 2000 and accelerating in 2010, the Republicans have been able to gerrymander House seats in a way that really should make the House unlosable. Still, here we are.

    You’re right history tells us losses an inevitable, butt there had not been a time in modern history when Republicans have been so dominant, especially at the state level.

  179. Mr.Vito says:

    At any rate, when you have to plug that many holes in a hypothesis, it is probably best to try out a new one. I go by Gallup party identification which seems to have been a better predictor.

  180. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 5, 2018 at 2:02 pm
    I’d like him to quit,”
    Translation: I want to overturn the results of the election because bwahhhhh, Trump destroyed my candidate JEB!.

    – Were you ok with those who called for Al Franken to quit? Were you ok with those who called on Trent Franks or some of the other Congressmen to quit? Was Paul Ryan overturning the results by asking them to quit because of their controversies?

  181. Robbie says:

    Mr.Vito says:
    March 5, 2018 at 2:06 pm
    Robbie has spent a lot of time proving how so many midterm years were not just a referendum on the president in order to claim it is always a refendum on the president.

    – Wrong. I spent a hour proving it’s ridiculous to compare results from the 1950’s to today because the political landscape is so totally different.

    Midterms are a referendum on presidents and they always will be. Still, I can tell you this. If Ike had a 57% approval rating today, the Republicans, because they have become the dominant party in the country, would be in position to gain House seats and push towards 60 in the Senate.

  182. Chicon says:

    184. Completely invalid comparison. JEB! got destroyed in a normal fashion. You cite cases where elected officials are asked to resign for personal reasons.

  183. Chicon says:

    185 – and after all that you admitted your theory was unknowable……

  184. Mr.Vito says:

    Robbie is the one claiming that all eras are comprable by saying the midterms are always about something. I show him it isn’t, then he says I’m not allowed to look at that data.

    If you dont want that data compared, then change your statement.

  185. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 5, 2018 at 2:11 pm
    “– Wrong. I thought Clinton should have resigned in 1998…”
    -As Chicon already corrected, 1998 was NOT Clinton’s first term.
    DO YOU READ THE COMMENTS OF OTHERS?

    – Hey, bonehead? DO YOU READ THE COMMENTS OF OTHERS?

    If you had, you would have read in 132 that I acknowledged that.

    Still, Mr. RAISE ACT, I’m making a point about midterms in general. I’m not differentiating between first and second midterms.

  186. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 5, 2018 at 2:15 pm
    You can bet on day 1 of a Pence presidency Amoral Scum would be attacking him for being a rabid rightwing nutjob intent on destroying the Republican Party.
    Why? Because his name is not Jeb Bush either.

    – Not in the slightest, fraud As I told Jason fraud on multiple occasions, Mike Pence was one of my preferred picks in early 2011 as the 2012 process got started. I liked him, Mitch Daniels, Jeb Bush, and even Chris Christie. Sadly, none of them ran.

    I didn’t like Pence’s bathroom bill, but one policy mistake doesn’t mean I throw the baby out with the bath water. With Trump, it’s not about policy. It’s about him as a person and that’s why I can never get to the policy most of the time. The bad person he is overwhelms everything.

  187. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 5, 2018 at 2:20 pm
    Amoral scum is a pathological liar.
    He would be here attacking ANY R president not named Jeb Bush in the same vociferous manner, maybe different excuses.
    And so would the MSM.
    Wobbie’s idea that the MSM would accept another R that not Trump is pure fantasy, they would even have turned Jeb Milquetoast Bush into a baby killing machine.
    The only difference is that if it were Jeb, Wobbie would be here defending him against unfair MSM attacks instead of joining in on them.

    – This is just ridiculous, but Jason fraud has backed himself into such a corner supporting Trump, who he hated everyday in the primary, that he’s left to just fling wild accusations around like monkeys do with their own crap.

  188. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    March 5, 2018 at 2:16 pm
    172 – key word….unknowable….

    – The House would not be in danger with another Republican president coupled with the strong economy. That is knowable. However, the only way Trump supporters can operate right now is to say it would be just as bad with another Republican president.

  189. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    March 5, 2018 at 2:29 pm
    184. Completely invalid comparison. JEB! got destroyed in a normal fashion. You cite cases where elected officials are asked to resign for personal reasons.

    – Do the Trumpers have so few arguments at their disposal these days that they have to go back to the primary campaign and say Jeb? Is that all you’ve got?

  190. jason says:

    Mike Pence was one of my preferred picks in early 2011 as the 2012 process got started”

    LOL

    Lying amoral scum.

  191. jason says:

    It’s about him as a person and that’s why I can never get to the policy most of the time”

    Translation: f–k the country its all about my petty personal peeves because he destroyed my candidate.

    Wow, and Wobbie has the balls to call Trump despicable.

  192. jason says:

    so few arguments at their disposal these days that they have to go back to the primary campaign”

    That’s what you do day in and day out, but we know you don’t have any arguments except those you borrow from your MSM puppet masters.

  193. Tina says:

    Jeb would have saved us from losing the house.

  194. Tina says:

    Losing seats*

  195. jason says:

    who he hated everyday in the primary”

    Yeah, but then there was an election and my candidate didn’t win.

    I accepted that.

    You should too, amoral scum.

    I liked him, Mitch Daniels, Jeb Bush, and even Chris Christie.”

    Compulsive liar who attacked EVERY candidate, real or imaginary, not named Jeb Bush.

    If Mike Pence were President, Wobbie would be here repeating the same MSM lies he repeated about Romney, Rubio, Kasich, Christie, etc. and of course Trump.

  196. jason says:

    Jeb would have saved us from losing the house.”

    Actually, in losing in a landslide to Hillary, he might have done just that.

  197. jason says:

    Were you ok with those who called for Al Franken to quit?”

    Al Franken admitted to wrongdoing and was in fact on camera.

    I am on record that I don’t think anyone’s career or personal life, Republican or Democrat, should be derailed by uncorroborated allegations, especially when its obviously timed to coincide with an election.

    You really are an idiot.

  198. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Here is a just-released Marquette University Poll of Wisconsin. The highlights are:
    Trump Favorability- 44/50(favorable/unfavorable)
    Baldwin(D) Favorability- 37/39- TROUBLE for her!
    Scott Walker Favorability- 48/48

    https://law.marquette.edu/poll/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/MLSP44Toplines.pdf

  199. Mr.Vito says:

    “…few arguments at their disposal these days that they have to go back to the primary campaign and say Jeb?”

    Few?

    You did a lousy job with the 200 previous non-Jeb arguments.

    Eventually someone will bring up Jeb, I guess…

    Are you ready to present any facts yet? Or do you plan on relegating that to everyone else into perpetuity?

  200. NYCmike says:

    Robbie keeps excusing Al Franken, where there is evidence of the wrongdoing.

    Why?

  201. Mr.Vito says:

    “…he’s left to just fling wild accusations around like monkeys do with their own crap.”

    Well at least he is trying to make you feel more at home… its awkward when you are the only one doing it.

  202. NYCmike says:

    “Al Franken admitted to wrongdoing and was in fact on camera.”

    -jason,

    But the proof did not include “CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS” right before an election, so Robbie will ignore it.

  203. Mr.Vito says:

    “Hey, bonehead? DO YOU READ THE COMMENTS OF OTHERS?”

    I think what Robbie really wants is to read the bumps on your bonehead, Mike.

  204. NYCmike says:

    “Hey, bonehead?”

    -One of my nicknames from childhood was “Shark”, and the name “bonehead” does NOT exactly fit with that….

  205. Mr.Vito says:

    The gallup party ID snippet from Feb 1-10 was just released, and it was 46-44 R.

    Obviously that would mean the GOP would do fine if ir holds.

  206. jason says:

    Mike Pence was one of my preferred picks in early 2011 as the 2012 process got started”

    Biggest lie of 2018?

    I would say it was the one where I now approve of Trump’s tariffs but I don’t want to hog all the glory.

  207. jason says:

    “CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS”

    I see now how Wobbie would avoid the slippery slope….

    Allegations against people he doesn’t like are always “credible”.

    For politicians he likes, he prefers due process.

  208. jason says:

    “JEB! got destroyed in a normal fashion”

    No, I prefer the term “epic” fashion.

    200 million + for 4 delegates is epic.

  209. DW says:

    The UN is not your friend.
    Hollywood is not your friend.
    The media is not your friend.
    State University is not your friend.
    Any Democrat is not your friend.
    Big Government is not your friend.

    You don’t have many friends.

  210. NYCmike says:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/05/ana-navarro-oscars-trump-jokes/

    -Robbie was on TV this morning, dressed up as a latino woman.

  211. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Us trade rep

    No nafta progress.

    Shut it down.

  212. Tina says:

    Google membership query

    Up 4900 percent.

    More Hogg please.

  213. NYCmike says:

    Tina,

    What does #217 mean?

  214. jason says:

    Hollywood Liberal Elite Gala was the lowest watched ever.

    “The telecast, nearly four hours long, stumbled 19 percent from the previous year to 26.5 million viewers. That’s easily the least-watched Oscars in history, trailing 2008 by more than 5 million”

  215. NYCmike says:

    NRA?

  216. Chicon says:

    172 – “What would the losses look like with another Republican president? Unknowable,”

    192 – “The House would not be in danger with another Republican president coupled with the strong economy. That is knowable.”

    Pure consistency from Robbie….

  217. jason says:

    More Hogg please.”

    I will double my scrapple order over at Neuenschwander Meats.

  218. jason says:

    So Trump’s ratings are about the same as Obama’s at the same time in his Presidency?

    Whose face did Obama tweet about that caused this?

  219. NYCmike says:

    “Whose face did Obama tweet about that caused this?”

    -Michelle?

  220. NYCmike says:

    Oh sorry, Obama didn’t tweet ABOUT Michelle…..he just tweeted her picture…..

  221. Wobbles says:

    The UN is not your friend.
    Hollywood is not your friend.
    The media is not your friend.
    State University is not your friend.
    Any Democrat is not your friend.
    Big Government is not your friend.

    You don’t have many friends.”

    Buahhhhhhh…..

    Snifff….sobbbb…

    But Corey is my friend. He forgives me for hating Romney and lying about him for 2 years, because now we are united about hating Trump and lying about him.

  222. jason says:

    “Google searches for ‘NRA membership’ have risen roughly 4,900 per cent since the week before the February 14 shooting, with new members flocking to support the gun owners’ rights group”

  223. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “A year after Maryland banned the controversial natural gas harvesting technique known as fracking, Gov. Larry Hogan is pushing to connect more homes in the state to gas lines, sparking a new battle over the fuel.
    Hogan, who signed last year’s law, wants to require a Canadian energy company to invest more than $100 million in Maryland, including money to establish a program to make natural gas the primary energy source for more homes in the state.

    The move has drawn fire from environmentalists. They say it’s hypocritical for Hogan, who has backed programs to fight global warming, to expand the use of natural gas. Proponents counter that using more natural gas would reduce the state’s reliance on fuels that produce more pollution.”

    At least Gov. Moonbeam acknowledges that since we are using more natural gas, California should allow drilling for it. I have no use for Republican politicians say one thing and do another.

  224. jason says:

    Membership/donations increasing for all gun rights organizations.

    http://time.com/5176471/national-rifle-association-membership-florida-shooting/

  225. jason says:

    have no use for Republican politicians say one thing and do another.?

    Fine.

    So elect a leftwing Democrat instead of Hogan in a deep blue state since he is not “conservative” enough.

    Long live litmus tests. They are soooo productive.

  226. jason says:

    SD has “no use” for Republican governor that has 70% approval in a blue state that went for Hillary in a big way and has not voted for a R President since Ronald Reagan.

    Okayyyy…

    Let’s get rid of him and send a message.

  227. Jeff G. says:

    #204 NYCmike,

    The half-witted one also seems to be unable to tell the difference between lying under oath about a sex act and simply being accused by the press of engaging in a sex act.

  228. Jeff G. says:

    #228 SD,

    Maryland has just more than zilch in proven natural gas reserves. Hogan wasn’t really giving away too much by not allowing fracking. I’m sure the frackers in Western Pa., Ohio, and West Virginia will be more than happy to sell their growing bounty of production from the Marcellus Shale to households in Maryland.

  229. jason says:

    If anyone is interested here is a map with the Italian election results.

    Centro-destra is center right headed by Berlusconi. Centro-sinistra center left headed by Renzi and M5S is the populist party.

    http://tg24.sky.it/speciali/elezioni/italia/politiche/mappa-elezioni-2018-collegi-uninominali.html

  230. Phil says:

    So who replaces Cochran and how is the selection made?

  231. mnw says:

    PA-18:

    A hundred eeyores at HHR right now.

  232. jason says:

    Bryant will appoint the replacement.

    Hopefully its someone who can beat the MS deadender version of COD, McDaniel.

  233. jason says:

    Hogan wasn’t really giving away too much by not allowing fracking.”

    I’m sorry, but he doesn’t pass the litmus test, get rid of him.

    The liberal Dem that will replace him won’t either but it will send a powerful message.

  234. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    233. Believe there is a small area in western Maryland that may have some natural gas, and which could use the extra income. But agree it is unlikely ever to be exploited. What I object to is the senseless virtue signaling. Since there is unlikely to be any, or a small bit, of fracking in Maryland, what was the need for Hogan to do what he did? It just provides an additional propaganda point for the Al Gore types.

    Thee are areas in upstate New York that are economically depressed, and support fracking. Cuomo refuses to allow it, and can point to Hogan’s ban to support his position.

  235. jason says:

    Thank you Mr. Speaker.

    “WASHINGTON — In a rare break with the White House, Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan came out Monday against President Trump’s proposed tariffs on steel and aluminum imports. Ryan’s office warned that the punitive measures could spark a “trade war” that undermines benefits from the GOP’s recent tax overhaul.

    “We are extremely worried about the consequences of a trade war and are urging the White House to not advance with this plan,” Ryan spokeswoman AshLee Strong said in a statement. “The new tax reform law has boosted the economy, and we certainly don’t want to jeopardize those gains.”

    A GOP source said Republican congressional leaders “won’t rule out potential action down the line.” The source declined to flesh out what kind of response could be in the making, saying, “We are focused on convincing him not to do the tariffs in the first place.”

  236. jason says:

    SD, I am sure the liberal that will replace Hogan will allow fracking.

  237. jason says:

    Let’s get rid of Charlie Baker in MA too.

    These RINOS have no business running blue states, its better to run some 100% litmus tested true conservatives that will get 25% of the vote and send a message.

  238. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    238. Jason, your arguments get no where with me. Am not a registered Republican, am a declined to state. Should point out the last governor who was a Republican in California (first name Arnold) all but destroyed the party’s future in the state.

    When a Republican officeholder does something wrong, have the right to criticize him, just as your doing by criticizing Trump over the tariff issue.

  239. jason says:

    The GOP has always stood for free trade. Free trade has provided a lot more wealth to the US than it has cost it.

    Maybe now that Ryan has taken the lead, let’s see if others in congress stand up against tariffs and protection and economic isolationism.

    Let’s see some spine!

  240. jason says:

    238. Jason, your arguments get no where with me. Am not a registered Republican, am a declined to state. Should point out the last governor who was a Republican in California (first name Arnold) all but destroyed the party’s future in the state.”

    Zzzzzzz… I am not a registered R either anymore.

    It you think replacing Hogan by a liberal Dem is going to advance conservative values in MD, be my guest.

    And if you think Arnold is the cause of CA’s woes, be my guest too.

  241. jason says:

    I love the Dems and Rs “are the same” argument.

    Brilliant.

    The Dems love it too. They can’t believe their good luck.

  242. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    244. “Let’s see some spine!”

    Trump is showing a lot of spine.

  243. jason says:

    What was the complaint about Arnold?

    Ah yes, not conservative enough. Believed in compromises. Acknowledged the legislature was heavily Dem and tried to govern accordingly.

    Horrors.

    Gov. Moonbeam is such an improvement….

  244. jason says:

    Trump is showing a lot of spine.”

    Not on tariffs, he is just letting the Dems and the fat cat big labor bosses walk all over him.

    Tariffs are a cheap political cop-out, completely based on false premises.

    Let’s see if the GOP shows some balls and revolts.

  245. jason says:

    Thank you Senator Sasse.

    “Sen. Ben Sasse is attacking President Donald Trump over his comments that trade wars are “easy to win.”

    The Nebraska Republican lashed out at Trump’s defense of placing new tariffs on steel and aluminum imports. In a statement, Sasse says: “Trade wars are never won. Trade wars are lost by both sides.”

    Sasse continues: “Kooky 18th century protectionism will jack up prices on American families — and will prompt retaliation from other countries. Make no mistake: If the President goes through with this, it will kill American jobs — that’s what every trade war ultimately does. So much losing.”

  246. jason says:

    Kooky 18th century protectionism”

    Zing…on target.

    That’s exactly what tariffs are.

  247. Tina says:

    Nyc.

    The us trade representative indicates no progress on nafta.

    I say shut the t down and end the treaty.

  248. Tina says:

    I will be gone for a bit.

    I tweaked my back picking something up.

    I have to be good for my cruise to parts unknown soon.

    With my back, I may have to cancel.

  249. Tina says:

    Nunberg sounds like a loon.
    Lhe was fired for lying about an affair between other trump aides and sending racist materials.

  250. Tina says:

    BReaking

    Steele just admitted that the dnc hack was internal.

    Nothing to do with trump or muh russian,

  251. Tina says:

    These people may be more loony than rottie

    Sketchy sam

    Mulehead

    Steele

  252. NYCmike says:

    “What was the complaint about Arnold?”

    -He turned his back on the reasons why he was elected. CA was a sheothole, is a sheothole, and once a lot more of the pensions start kicking in, there will be h*ll to pay.

    Arnold had the chance, if he had acted BOLDLY and QUICKLY, and by using some of his fame to drive the media, to actually make changes that would have helped California in the long run.

    Instead, he waffled at the first sign of resistance. He faced similar odds as Rudy did as Mayor (although, Mayor definitely had more power in certain spheres of governance), BUT Arnold backed down. The BEST THING he could have done at that time was to VETO EVERYTHING, and had the government shut down. Funny thing is that would have been the EASIEST thing to do as well, as the Republican Party could not be worse off than it is today in California.

    HE, and the Republican Party, literally, HAD NOTHING TO LOSE by being more obstinate than, for example, MD admitting he was wrong about 2016.

  253. jason says:

    I say shut the t down and end the treaty.”

    Brilliant. Let’s isolate ourselves economically from our own backyard.

    The Chinese say thank you. The Europeans say thank you.

  254. NYCmike says:

    “Brilliant. Let’s isolate ourselves economically from our own backyard.

    The Chinese say thank you. The Europeans say thank you.”

    -Are the same Thank You cards on display in the Reagan and Bush Library’s??

  255. Mr.Vito says:

    Reagan: Japan is part of the problem. This is where government can be legitimately involved. That is, to convince the Japanese in one way or another that, in their own interests, that deluge of cars must be slowed while our industry gets back on its feet… If Japan keeps on doing everything that it’s doing… obviously there’s going to be what you call
    protectionism.

  256. jason says:

    “Arnold had the chance, if he had acted BOLDLY and QUICKLY, and by using some of his fame to drive the media, to actually make changes that would have helped California in the long run.”

    Ah yes, he should HAVE TOLD A STORY.

    So another opinion that liberal Dems are better for CA than Arnold.

    WE ARE WINNING.

  257. NYCmike says:

    Mr. Vito to be accidentally called a “moron” by jason in 3…..2…..1……

    jason to then, quite pathetically, I might add, say ““That was in response to NYC, not you.””

  258. jason says:

    Let’s see how many in the GOP rise up against

    “Kooky 18th century protectionism”

    I love that quote. On the money.

    I just love seeing the so called conservatives here do the bidding of Sherrod Brown and Richard Trumpka.

    Even Obama, a hard core leftist and no friend of free trade, resisted the fat cat union bosses on a lot of trade issues, because he knew while others could spew nonsense, he would actually have to deal with the consequences.

  259. Tina says:

    We back doored china,

    They are saying thank you and taking our money,

    The treaty was usa, mexico, and canada.

    No way was china involved.

  260. Tina says:

    My sources say the dnc hackers were the jebots.

  261. NYCmike says:

    “So another opinion that liberal Dems are better for CA than Arnold.”

    -Wow, your reading comprehension is WAY OFF TODAY!

    My opinion was the EXACT OPPOSITE.

    Arnold should have acted like a member of the House Freedom Caucus….simply shut the place down if the Democrats didn’t do what he wanted.

    We KNOW what he did do….he acted like a Democrat….and what was the result in California?

    The Republican Party is just about gone.

    Please tell me where I have my facts incorrect.

  262. jason says:

    Hey NYC, if I want to call Vito a moron, I don’t have to pretend its you.

    So in case there is any question, YOU are a moron.

  263. Tina says:

    Time to shut down mulehead.

    Thr coc speaker of the house should choke off funding,

  264. Mr.Vito says:

    Reagan on imposing a 100% tariff on electronics: It was imposed “to enforce the principles of free and fair trade.”

    “The health and vitality of the U.S. semiconductor industry are essential to America’s future competitiveness,” he said. “We cannot allow it to be jeopardized by unfair trading practices.”

  265. Tina says:

    Nunbers emais coukd be interesting

    He weote mean things to bannon and the other loon back in 2015. How it relates to the hoax is another question

  266. jason says:

    e KNOW what he did do….he acted like a Democrat….and what was the result in California?

    The Republican Party is just about gone.

    Please tell me where I have my facts incorrect.”

    There are no facts, that is deadender drivel.

    Arnold was not a true conservative, but he was better than any Democrat, an argument you use a lot about Trump but are too stupid to see the hypocrisy.

    The demise of Rs in CA has NOTHING to do with Arnold, if anything he extended the last bit of political power Rs had in CA, nobody else was going to get elected as an R.

  267. jason says:

    We back doored china,

    They are saying thank you and taking our money,

    The treaty was usa, mexico, and canada.

    No way was china involved.”

    Mostly garbage. And who do you think will fill the void if the US stupidly gives up on Mexico and Canada?

  268. Tina says:

    Reagan was absolutely for free trade.

    Absolutely,

    Do not mention the protectionist measures on japaense cars or electronics.

    Or harley davidson.

    These did not hapoen under free trader reagan because rottie read it in a book.

  269. Tina says:

    Well industries have died and gone to mexico.

    The treaty was also billed as a way to end illegal immigration,

  270. jason says:

    Reagan on imposing a 100% tariff on electronics: It was imposed “to enforce the principles of free and fair trade.”

    “The health and vitality of the U.S. semiconductor industry are essential to America’s future competitiveness,” he said. “We cannot allow it to be jeopardized by unfair trading practices.”

    Zzzzzzzz… protectionist garbage. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now.

    Did Reagan bring back the electronics industry? Of course not.

  271. jason says:

    Kooky 18th century protectionism.

    Perfect.

  272. Tina says:

    And I like Reagan a lot, but do not like reading the bs that he was a free trader completely.

    His measures forced most japanese car production to be sourced here, as many japaenese p,ants were built, such as honda in ohio, toyota in fremont, ca, nissan in tennessee.

    Simple facts.

  273. NYCmike says:

    “There are no facts, that is deadender drivel.”

    -History says otherwise.

    Republicans had a small opportunity.

    Arnold sought re-election instead. He chose to get along with Democrats.

    What is the result?

    Are you denying that the Republican Party is in shambles in California?

    Are you denying that California has YUGE unfunded liabilities?

  274. Tina says:

    And the muh tariffs rhetoric is targeted at nafta.

    Bieber threatened to walk away about a month ago.

  275. Tina says:

    By ending nafta, you make groper 41 irrelevant.

  276. NYCmike says:

    “Arnold was not a true conservative, but he was better than any Democrat, an argument you use a lot about Trump but are too stupid to see the hypocrisy.”

    -How was he better than “any Democrat”?

    He put the same policies in place that a Democrat would have.

    Are you going to deny what is going on in California AFTER it already happened? Arnold was already a failed governor, and his FAILURE was just another nail in the coffin of the California Republican Party.

  277. jason says:

    I’m with Thune and Scott Walker.

    You “conservatives” enjoy being in bed with Sherrod Brown, a flaming leftist and Richard Trumpka, a Communist.

    This is from the other thread, apologize for repeating it, but some many not have seen it.

    What actual conservatives think of tariffs:

    “There is always retaliation, and typically a lot of these countries single out agriculture when they do that. So, we’re very concerned,” said Sen. John Thune, R-S.D.

    Gov. Scott Walker, R-Wis., asked the administration to reconsider its stance. He said American companies could move their operations abroad and not face retaliatory tariffs.

    “This scenario would lead to the exact opposite outcome of the administration’s stated objective, which is to protect American jobs,” Walker said.

    Tim Phillips, president of the Koch Brothers-backed Americans for Prosperity, noted that Trump narrowly won in Iowa and Wisconsin, two heavily rural states that could suffer if countries put in retaliatory tariffs on American agricultural goods.

    “It hurts the administration politically because trade wars, protectionism, they lead to higher prices for individual Americans,” Phillips said. “It’s basically a tax increase.”

    What actual liberals think of tariffs:

    “Good, finally,” said Sen. Sherrod Brown, an Ohio Democrat and progressive as he cheered Trump’s move. Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, a Democrat who has called for Trump to resign, agreed.

    “I urge the administration to follow through and to take aggressive measures to ensure our workers can compete on a level playing field,” Casey tweeted.

    and

    “The nation’s largest federation of unions on Thursday praised President Trump’s plan to impose tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, even as GOP lawmakers in Congress and U.S. trade partners condemned the proposal.

    “For years, we have called attention to the predatory practices of some steel exporting countries. Such practices hurt working people and cheat companies that produce in the U.S. We applaud the administration’s efforts today to fix this problem,” AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said in a statement.

  278. Mr.Vito says:

    “Zzzzzzzz… protectionist garbage. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now.

    Did Reagan bring back the electronics industry?”

    So the republicans have not always been blindly for free trade.

    The USA has 5 of the top 8 companies in semiconductors.

  279. jason says:

    Yes, I think Arnold was MUCH BETTER than any Democrat.

    You really are an idiot.

  280. jason says:

    So the republicans have not always been blindly for free trade.”

    I don’t know exactly what “blindly” means.

    The GOP has always stood for free trade. It was one of the things that originally attracted me to the party.

    Case in point is 2012 platform. Admittedly, platform rhetoric is not binding on the President, but I think its fair Romney was in agreement.

    “Here’s what the GOP’s 2012 party platform had to say about free trade: “It means more American jobs, higher wages, and a better standard of living. Every $1 billion in additional U.S. exports means another 5,000 jobs here at home. The Free Trade Agreements negotiated with friendly democracies since President Reagan’s trailblazing pact with Israel in 1985 facilitated the creation of nearly ten million jobs supported by our exports.”

    The platform went on to say that the Obama administration’s “slowness in completing agreements begun by its predecessor and its failure to pursue any new trade agreements with friendly nations” was “deplorable” and promises that a Republican president “will complete negotiations for a Trans-Pacific Partnership.”

  281. Mr.Vito says:

    “Simple facts.”

    No ‘real’ republican has ever supported tariffs nor free trade.

    Period.

    Or, if we are honest, the GOP will have explaining to do as soon as it is pointed out that they are against policies Reagan “supported”, and should probably get ahead of it…

    rather than shooting the messenger.

  282. Tina says:

    Arnold was ok in his first term,

    2nd term, he was a disaster.

    Worst r governor in 50 years.

  283. Mr.Vito says:

    Romney lost.

  284. NYCmike says:

    “Yes, I think Arnold was MUCH BETTER than any Democrat.”

    -He campaigned in one way. Governed like a Democrat.

    What are the results of his governance?

    Please state how he governed effectively.

    Also, please state how he helped the Republican Party’s brand in CA, especially with his kowtowing to the environmental lobby.

  285. jason says:

    Romney lost because he didn’t propose tariffs?

    It’s possible.

    A poll before the election showed Rs favored free trade by 51-39.

    Now its exactly the reverse.

    The protectionists have won and that is one reason why I am not longer a registered R. A protectionist party that believes tariffs are a substitute for competitiveness is not my party.

    But I still hope those in the GOP in congress and the senate will rise up and condemn the tariffs because its the right thing to do.

    So Ryan and Sasse and Thune and Scott, kudos to you. I hope more show some balls.

  286. Mr.Vito says:

    Reagan Treasury Secretary James A. Baker III: this administration “has granted more import relief to United States industry than any of [its] predecessors in more than half a century.”

  287. NYCmike says:

    “Romney lost.”

    -jason to ignore in 3….2…..1….

  288. NYCmike says:

    Actually wondering: Have the tariffs been put into place yet? Are they immediate once the President utters them out loud?

    Or are they still just a talking point which Trump has out there?

  289. Mr.Vito says:

    I don’t care which side the individual GOP senators fall on.

    Reagan both supported free trade and fair trade.

    Acting as though there are no compromises to be made is tiresome.

  290. NYCmike says:

    A day where both Robbie and jason resort to name-calling due to the ineffectiveness of their arguments is a good day.

  291. jason says:

    Governed like a Democrat.”

    True deadender moron rhetoric.

    He didn’t govern like a Democrat, he governed in a way you didn’t agree with. He compromised with the legislature to get things done.

    That’s very different than “governing like a Democrat.

  292. Mr.Vito says:

    Maybe Reagan didn’t understand the code?

    Nope: “…obviously there’s going to be what you call protectionism.”

  293. jason says:

    fair trade.”

    Fair trade is code for protectionism and no trade.

    Pretending it isn’t is tiresome too.

  294. Mr.Vito says:

    Reagan was for “no trade”.

    Good to know.

  295. jason says:

    Reagan Treasury Secretary James A. Baker III: this administration “has granted more import relief to United States industry than any of [its] predecessors in more than half a century.”

    He said that, but do you know if its actually true.

    I am sure every administration says it “protects United States industry”.

    But I don’t really care if A, B or C was also a protectionist or not.

    It doesn’t make Trump’s tariffs any smarter, they are still self defeating. That is the point.

  296. jason says:

    Reagan was for “no trade”.

    I think Reagan was essentially a free trader, I said that earlier.

    And I think “fair trade” is code for no trade when used by protectionists.

    Richard Trumpka is for “fair trade”. Sherrod Brown is for “fair trade”. I bet Bernie Sanders is for “fair trade”.

    Nobody actually says “I’m anti-free trade and a die hard protectionist”.

  297. jason says:

    I don’t care which side the individual GOP senators fall on.”

    I do. I would hope most will fall on the free trade side.

    But we will see.

  298. NYCmike says:

    “He compromised with the legislature to get things done.”

    -Please state the results of “to get things done”.

    Thanks in advance.

    How soon will you be moving to California to reap the rewards of the the wonderful work done by Arnold and the people he compromised with?

  299. Mr.Vito says:

    “He said that, but do you know if its actually true.”

    ……….

    In an April 27, 1987, letter to House
    Speaker Jim Wright, ten members of the Cabinet, along with budget director James C. Miller and Beryl W. Sprinkel, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers:

    We must directly confront one fundamental misperception that has impaired constructive debate on trade legislation. That is the charge that President Reagan has made inadequate use of Presidential trade powers. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Reagan record has demonstrated an unprecedented exercise of those trade powers:

    — For the first time, unfair trade practices have been formally investigated on the Administration’s own motion, resolved in most cases, and retaliated against when necessary.

    — A record number of market-opening settlements of unfair trade cases has resulted from unprecedented use of Presidential unfairness determinations and threats of retaliation, while counter-retaliation by foreign governments has
    been minimized.

    — Textile import quotas have been negotiated or imposed in record numbers and with unprecedented degrees of
    restraint.

    — Of the recommendations presented to the President under Section 201 of the Trade Act, two thirds have resulted in import relief–far higher than the record of prior Administrations.

    — Rigorous enforcement of antidumping and countervailing duty laws–strongly supported by the President–has resulted in a record number of orders for offsetting duties.

  300. Mr.Vito says:

    “But I don’t really care if A, B or C was also a protectionist or not.”

    Well you should if you are going to say “the GOP” has “always stood” for “free trade”.

    Just like Robbie saying “Midterms are a referendum on the president’s leadership. They always have been and they always will be.”

  301. NYCmike says:

    Mr. Vito,

    THANK YOU for linking to these statements. I have never seen them before. You taught me something today.

  302. Mr.Vito says:

    “Romney lost because he didn’t propose tariffs?
    It’s possible.”

    MD is the one who insisted Romney would lose Ohio and therefore the election because of trade and blue collar workers.

  303. Messy57 says:

    Sam Nunburg is having the time of his life on TV.

    In other news, Steve Bannon has won the Italian election.

  304. Messy57 says:

    Susan McDougall back in the Clinton administration.

  305. Mr.Vito says:

    “THANK YOU for linking to these statements.”

    Well I didn’t link to the last few. I found them in a discussion on both the “good” and “bad” on trade during the Reagan administration from Cato.

    https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa107.pdf

    Here is another 6 years later that takes a more apologetic approach.

    Like most post-war presidents, Reagan championed free trade while selectively deviating from it. Critics of trade note correctly that Reagan negotiated “voluntary” import quotas for steel and Japanese cars and imposed Section 201 tariffs on imported motorcycles to protect Harley-Davidson. All true. But those were the exceptions and not the rule. They were tactical retreats designed to defuse rising protectionists pressures in Congress.

    and later:

    As with trade, Reagan’s record on immigration was mixed.

    https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/reagan-embraced-free-trade-immigration

    I like these two articles because, it is interesting to see the evolution to ‘selective deviation’ and ‘those were exceptions, not the rule’.

    The harsher one is exhaustively referenced, and the second has none.

  306. Mr.Vito says:

    maybe jason can use some good sourced arguments against Reagan’s policies in the first article…

    “This record also prompted Milton Friedman to write that the Reagan administration has been “making Smoot-Hawley look positively benign.” Of course, the administration sometimes claims that it adopted mild restrictions to head off a rabidly protectionist Congress. But, as Friedman put it,
    Poor excuse. The president retains his veto power. While Congress might have overridden some of his vetoes, it would have been clear where the blame lay. As it is, the administration has given members of Congress–of both parties–a free ride. They enjoy the luxury of supporting special interests always eager for restraints on their competitors while avoiding the responsibility for imposing higher costs on consumers. The result has been an escalation of protectionist rhetoric.(52)

  307. MichiganGuy says:

    Rhode Island Governor GE:
    .
    Raimondo (D) 38%
    Fung (R) 36%
    Trillo (I) 6%
    .
    Raimondo (D) 43%
    Morgan (R) 25%
    Trillo (I) 9%
    .
    wpri12/myrwu 2/25-28
    .
    http://wpri.com/2018/03/05/wpri-12-rwu-poll-march-2018/

  308. Tgca says:

    I spent nearly 20 years in CA. It’s been bleeding the GOP since Pete Wilson, and started before him. Nothing can save CA on its current course because it’s constituents in the major cities are way too left. Perhaps if they split the state in 2 or 3, it can be saved but not when all those in controlling power are from SF and to a smaller degree LA.

    I voted for the Governator the 1st time but not 2nd time because he became ineffective and useless and cowardly to take on tough causes. Maybe he would have not been successful in fighting the extreme left in CA but at LEAST try.

    Pension system will bankrupt the state further. Two cities filed for bankruptcy in the early 2000s because they could not afford the pension payments.

  309. MichiganGuy says:

    Wisconsin Senate Republican Primary:
    .
    Kevin Nicholson 28%
    Leah Vukmir 19%
    .
    Sen. Tammy Baldwin Favorable Rating:
    Favorable 37%
    Unfavorable 39%
    .
    Gov. Scott Walker Job Approval:
    .
    Approve 47%
    Disapprove 47%
    .
    Wisconsin Governor Democratic Primary:
    .
    Evers 18% (+9)
    Soglin 9%
    Flynn 7%
    McCabe 6%
    Vinehout 5%
    Mitchell 4%
    Wachs 4%
    Gronik 3%
    .
    WISCONSIN
    .
    Trump Job Approval:
    Approve 43%
    Disapprove 50%
    .
    MULawPoll 2/25-3/1
    .
    https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2018/03/05/new-marquette-law-school-poll-finds-wisconsin-voters-divided-on-benefits-of-foxconn-deal-but-together-in-support-of-background-checks-for-gun-sales/

  310. MichiganGuy says:

    Colorado Governor Republican Primary:
    .
    Stapleton 26% (+13)
    Coffman 13%
    Robinson 8%
    Mitchell 5%
    Other/Undecided 48%
    .
    Magellan Strategies 2/26-27
    .
    http://magellanstrategies.com/colorado-2018-governor-republican-primary-survey/

  311. NYCmike says:

    “MD is the one who insisted Romney would lose Ohio and therefore the election because of trade and blue collar workers.”

    -He did, and I thought he was crazy.

    Fast forward to November 8, 2016, and we were both right, about Romney/Ohio and MD being crazy!

    🙂

  312. NYCmike says:

    “I voted for the Governator the 1st time but not 2nd time because he became ineffective and useless and cowardly to take on tough causes.”

    -Exactly.

    California was already lost, which is why he was elected in the first place. He should have let the place crash and burn….VETO EVERY BILL THAT CAME ACROSS HIS DESK THAT DID NOT CHANGE THE PURPOSE OF GOVERNMENT!

    What is the worst that could have happened to the state, AND to the Republican Party of California?

    Could it get any worse? Sure, but it won’t be because of Republicans, moving forward, because Arnold left them in total disrepair, DESPITE HIS COMPROMISE.

  313. NYCmike says:

    The way jason genuflects on the altar of compromise one would think he must have a poster of Neville Chamberlain on his wall, and Churchill’s face on his dart board.

  314. MichiganGuy says:

    Former 2nd District Congressman and Agriculture Sec. Mike Espy will run for Senator Thad Cochran’s seat.
    .
    https://twitter.com/MaggieWade/status/970798306434650112

  315. NYCmike says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QObAkF1_6CE

    -Been watching more and more of this guy…..very powerful.

  316. jason says:

    Google GOP was the party of free trade. I find it hilarious someone thinks this is in dispute.

    The fact presidents that were actually Republicans and conservative applied tariffs for some certain reason or circumstance does not really change that.

    The GOP is the party of lower taxes but has raised taxes too.

    But this article illustrates what I mean about Republicans traditionally being the party of free trade, at least in the last 50 years.

    “Donald Trump alienated an entire wing of his party this week. It wasn’t because he made another racially charged comment or cringeworthy gaffe. Instead, the presumptive Republican nominee laid out a detailed trade policy that is anathema to decades of conventional wisdom within the GOP.

    In a speech on Tuesday in Pennsylvania, which will be followed by a speech on Thursday afternoon in Manchester, New Hampshire, Trump outlined views that broke with decades of conservative orthodoxy on the importance of free trade and alienated business interests within his own party in an attempt to woo blue-collar white voters.

    Free trade has long presented advantages and disadvantages to Americans. It has been linked to outsourcing as manufacturing jobs have shifted to countries with lower wages. But it has also contributed to significantly cheaper consumer goods for American consumers and opened up new markets to US exporters.

    Traditionally though, Democrats have emphasized the costs of trade agreements while Republicans have emphasized the benefits. These positions have not been black and white. Many Democrats have been willing to support trade agreements with what they consider to be adequate labor and environmental standards and some Republicans have long been skeptical, harking back to a protectionist strain that predominated in the GOP prior to the second world war.

    However, for the past half-century, the Republican party has believed in the importance of removing barriers to trade. Although this position has not been universally held, every major free-trade agreement in decades has been wholeheartedly supported by a majority of Republicans, starting with the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta), which was negotiated by the George HW Bush administration, and on to the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which was featured in the 2012 GOP platform, was signed earlier this year and is awaiting congressional approval.”

  317. MichiganGuy says:

    Virginia Senate GE:
    .
    Kaine (D) 56%
    Freitas (R) 33%
    .
    Kaine (D) 56%
    Jackson (R) 32%
    .
    Kaine (D) 56%
    Stewart 32%
    .
    Virginia Senate – Republican Primary:
    .
    Stewart 16%
    Jackson 7%
    Freitas 6%
    Raiklin 1%
    Someone else 4%
    Undecided 66%
    .
    WasonCenter 2/5-28
    .

    http://wasoncenter.cnu.edu/stewart-leads-gop-senate-primary-but-66-undecided-majority-of-va-voters-strongly-disapprove-of-trump/

  318. jason says:

    Vito

    I get it that you think tariffs are a good idea.

    I get it that Reagan and Bush applied tariffs at some point during their presidencies despite professing to be for free trade.

    I get it that Trump ran on anti-free trade, protectionist agenda.

    I get it that Trump and some here thing trade wars can be “won”.

    I get it that economic isolationism is much more popular among Republicans that it was in the past, so much so that it is one of the main reasons I left the party.

    But exactly is your problem with my position that tariffs are self defeating and will end up costing the economy more than it benefits. That other countries will retaliate against American products and jobs will be lost as a result. That consumer prices will increase and the result will be similar to a tax hike.

    I am trying to figure out how any of the points you are making are relevant to my opinion on the folly of tariffs.

    Because if your argument is that the GOP sometimes deviated from a free trade policy, that Reagan sometimes deviated, etc. fine.

    It does not make Trump’s economic isolationism any more justified or intelligent, and it does not make it good policy.

    As solid conservatives like Paul Ryan, Scott Walker, Thune, Sasse, Hatch and probably many others are pointing out, tariffs are bad policy, no matter who implements them.

    “One Republican donor and fundraiser, Dan Eberhart, the CEO of Canary LLC, an oilfield services company, sent a letter to President Trump Monday urging him to re-consider the policy, because it would have detrimental economic effects on his business.

    “Protectionist policies like the proposed tariffs could end up doing more harm than good. Instead, lets continue your plan for unleashing America’s robust economic growth by avoiding a damaging trade war,” Eberhart wrote in his letter.

    Eberhart was one of the donors who declined to contribute to Republican groups until they passed tax reform. “I am a Trump supporter but this gives me pause,” he wrote in an e-mail to Fortune when asked how this could impact future donations. “This does not help us as an industry (oil and gas) compete with OPEC [organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries.]”

    There is also public opposition from advocacy groups outside Congress that not only have financial clout, but hold sway with conservative donors and activists. Two groups backed by conservative and libertarian mega-donors Charles and David Koch, Freedom Partners and Americans for Prosperity, have come out against the announcement, arguing, like Ryan, that it will hurt American consumers and jobs, and jeopardize the successes of the tax reform bill Trump signed into law at the end of last year.“

  319. Wes says:

    Sad to see Thad go. Had he stuck around just two more years, he would have served longer in the Senate than John Stennis. Alas, it is not to be.

  320. Wes says:

    For those who love tariffs, I have two words:

    Smoot

    Hawley.

    That says it all.

  321. Wes says:

    Yes, I know Reagan and Harding–two Presidents I greatly admire–instituted tariffs. That doesn’t mean they were right.

    Hoover did too. That didn’t work out so well.

  322. jason says:

    Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX), chair of the House Ways and Means Committee, which oversees trade policy, met Trump at the White House twice last week to make the case against the tariffs and suggest alternative proposals for how to revive American steel.”

    Of course Congress has the power to stop this stupidity.

    “If Republicans are unable to sway the president with their criticism, they might take action on Capitol Hill to stop him. Politico reports that congressional Republicans are considering legislation that would prevent Trump from imposing his tariffs.

    Congress has formal authority over trade policy under the US Constitution, but it has generally delegated much of its authority to the executive branch in modern times.

    It’s unclear what the legislation would look like at this point, but one hardball tactic would be to add it as a provision to a crucial spending bill at the end of the month.

    If Republicans are able to get a veto-proof majority to back some kind of bill limiting Trump’s authority to issue tariffs, it would echo the time when Republicans forced Trump to impose sanctions on Russia last August and locked old sanctions against the country into law instead of leaving them as executive orders that Trump could unilaterally rescind.”

    I am in favor of the “hardball tactics”.

  323. Wes says:

    Pat Buchanan is a big advocate of high tariffs.

    That’s right. Mr. Hitler Apologist himself likes high tariffs.

    Maybe we can do something a Nazi sympathizer doesn’t support on the trade front.

  324. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    319. “I voted for the Governator the 1st time but not 2nd time because he became ineffective and useless and cowardly to take on tough causes.”

    Am not going to agree that California was already lost to the Democrats; In 2003 Gray Davis, the Democratic governor, was recalled by a 55%-45% vote. The two Republican candidates to replace him won a combined 62% of the vote.
    Schwarzenegger won re-election in 2006 by 56%-39% of the vote; pulling 39% of the Hispanic vote and 62% of the Asian vote. He then tried to magically transform into a liberal, which was disastrous. He devastated the state’s industrial base and some of its agriculture with his greenhouse gas regulations. His actions left the Republican Party in tatters, and deeply demoralized. It has never recovered. The problem was the Republican Party had centered itself around his personal image, and not a set of policies that were broadly supported.
    Meanwhile a lot of local Republicans in urban areas descended into crony capitalism, serving a narrow group of special interests. In San Diego, the Republicans had a very nasty civil war in 2012 between the old guard and reformers, which destroyed the party and opened the door for Democrat control. We now have a Republican mayor who might as well be a Democrat. A lot of Republicans like me have become independents. The decline of the Republican Party in California is in some ways a suicide

  325. Bitterlaw says:

    I lost my program. How did Robbie become “amoral scum?”

  326. Chicon says:

    Wes, what is your suggested alternative?

  327. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “But exactly is your problem with my position that tariffs are self defeating and will end up costing the economy more than it benefits.”

    Actually tariffs seem to have worked out very well for the Chinese. To have free trade requires both parties participate. The Chinese are not doing so. It is like when Reagan began playing hardball with Japanese – this is a matter of fair treatment. Does anyone who is advocating for free trade on this board actually claim the Chinese are engaging in free trade regarding American exports to them?

    We should not be entering into trade agreements with other countries unless all parties are playing by the same rules.

  328. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    329. “Yes, I know Reagan and Harding–two Presidents I greatly admire–instituted tariffs. That doesn’t mean they were right. Hoover did too. That didn’t work out so well.”

    And how well are things working out with Chinese trade now? Don’t think you can call it an example of the success of “free trade.”

  329. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    333. “I lost my program. How did Robbie become “amoral scum?”

    He graduated up from the the rank of “immoral scum.”

    Obviously you are unaware of how the Bogo Pogo education system works.

  330. Mr.Vito says:

    “I get it that you think tariffs are a good idea.”

    Nope. I never said they were good; not once. I asked for data instead of lazy rhetoric like… Trump wants tariffs, so he’s a moron and no conservative. If you go around saying that, the first thing they will do is bring up Reagan and say you must think he’s a moron and not a conservative.

    Why Reagan? Because conservatives have spent three decades holding him up as the paragon of conservatism, and they continue to pretend he didn’t really do the things he did. People loved Reagan, so you’re going to have to come up with something better than “tariffs are bad. it will cost jobs and create trade wars.”

    People lived through those years… they liked those years. The world did not end, trade did not end, and conservatism didn’t either.

  331. NYCmike says:

    “Vito

    I get it that you think tariffs are a good idea.”

    -Personally, reading thru the things that Mr. vito put up, I don’t think he made a judgment about tariffs being a good idea. I think he made an argument that jason’s FREE TRADE OR ELSE IT IS BAD TRADE is not as simple as he makes it out to be, and then backed it up with oodles of proof.

    I did not realize that Reagan, and his administration, who I believe is and was an advocate for more free trade, used tariffs and made statements in support of “protectionism” as often as he did.

  332. NYCmike says:

    Also, if jason was the only person telling you things, one would never know all of those instances mentioned by Mr. Vito.

  333. NYCmike says:

    I was writing that comment after reading #336.

  334. NYCmike says:

    I was also going to say that Wes came along, and obviously did NOT read anything about what Mr. VIto had posted.

    Wes also refused to consider if Trump’s tariff statement has anything to do with a negotiating position.

  335. Tgca says:

    SDC

    I disagree. Go back and look st the ballots of all offices of the GOP. It’s been in decline for years in CA at various levels with few exceptions. Arnold was successful because he was a well-liked actor with a macho image which by the way, he was supported by majority of Latinos until he became a politician. It’s like the Oprah effect. Most love her and see her as a nice, likeable person until you get into the details of her politics and you get a glimpse of how she would govern. Folks did not support him because he was a GOPer, they saw him as a popular guy who ran against extremely weak candidates. He is now widely mocked and ridiculed for his time in office.

    As for a Gray Davis being recalled, that was because he let the states 2 major utilities fall into the brink of collapse because of his inaction. One filed for what was at the time the 3rd largest ever US bankruptcy and the other utility avoided it at the last minute by entering into an expensive bailout that ultimately penalized rate payers.

  336. NYCmike says:

    “How did Robbie become “amoral scum?””

    -He sold his mother to raise money for JEB!2016…..or something fantastic like that!

  337. Mr.Vito says:

    “Yes, I know Reagan and Harding–two Presidents I greatly admire–instituted tariffs. That doesn’t mean they were right.”

    See, Wes can do it in two posts.

    Of course, nearly every voter that remembers Smoot-Hawley is dead, and lived through tariffs that didn’t cause great depressions. So, this isn’t going to work either.

    In fact, I was the one on here bemoaning that Trumps trade rhetoric sounded like Smoot-Hawley during the primaries. No one cared.

    Equating tariffs with nazis is not a smart plan, since lots of ‘mainstream’ republicans have supported tariffs and other fair trade policies in the past and the left is already calling all republicans Nazis.

  338. NYCmike says:

    “In fact, I was the one on here bemoaning that Trumps trade rhetoric sounded like Smoot-Hawley during the primaries. No one cared.”

    -I don’t think anyone cared because we didn’t think he would ever win the general during the primaries.

  339. NYCmike says:

    AND, judging by Trumps performance in Ohio, we may not have learned the lessons about what MD said about Romney in 2012.

  340. Mr.Vito says:

    “I was also going to say that Wes came along, and obviously did NOT read anything about what Mr. VIto had posted.

    Wes also refused to consider if Trump’s tariff statement has anything to do with a negotiating position.”

    He only gave his opinion, and didn’t address anyone. I don’t think he did anything wrong or refused anything.

  341. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    343. You have a lot of good points Tgca. I still remember the power “brown outs” and “black outs” under Gray Davis.

  342. Mr.Vito says:

    “I don’t think he made a judgment about tariffs being a good idea. I think he made an argument that jason’s FREE TRADE OR ELSE IT IS BAD TRADE is not as simple as he makes it out to be, and then backed it up…”

    Yeah. That’s pretty much right.

  343. Tgca says:

    Yes Davis lost simply because he was deemed extremely incompetent under an enormous state crisis. He would not intervene and just told the utilities to wait it out as their stocks plunged and their cash dried up. Remember, they were being forced to pay at one point $450 mwh to power suppliers under state regulated contracts but only allowed to bill customers the equivalent of $45 mwh because a number of power producers who they bought power from rigged the system by running less plants to drive up the power prices. This is why FL and other states ultimately killed energy deregulation after it failed in CA.

  344. Mr.Vito says:

    “I don’t think anyone cared because we didn’t think he would ever win the general during the primaries.”

    True.

    “AND, judging by Trumps performance in Ohio, we may not have learned the lessons about what MD said about Romney in 2012.”

    Apparently MD didn’t either, or at least he thought it wouldn’t matter because Trump couldn’t overcome his unfavorables.

  345. Mr.Vito says:

    In fact, consider the senator everyone here champions as the ‘model’ for running a campaign.

    Sen. Portman ran on free and fair trade, and got labor union support.

    During the campaign he opposed TPP… he said he wanted to revisit NAFTA… he championed anti-dumping laws that unions helped create… he railed on policies that took jobs overseas.

    And he went from losing to winning by 20 points…

  346. Mr.Vito says:

    “From an economic point of view, trade will always be something positive for growth,” Portman told the Enquirer in 2005 when he was midway through his stint as Bush’s U.S. trade chief. “But the question is, in a particular district, how does it affect not just the economics but the people?”

  347. NYCmike says:

    Mr. Vito,

    I am trying to remember who posted the article about what happened to specific towns IMMEDIATELY after NAFTA was signed…….Obama, and then Trump, received their votes…..it would make sense for both political parties to, at the least, pay attention to what they have to say.

  348. jason says:

    Pat Buchanan is a big advocate of high tariffs.

    That’s right. Mr. Hitler Apologist himself likes high tariffs.”

    Of course he is.

    He wants the US to be an island isolated from the world, so economic isolationism fits right in.

  349. jason says:

    fair trade,”

    LOL what a load of crap.

    There is no such thing as “fair trade”.

    Those that want to pretend they are for “fair trade” should just say “no trade”.

  350. jason says:

    I will make it easy for those who want to pretend Reagan didn’t believe in free trade.

    Ok, Reagan was the most anti-free trade President in history. He hated free trade and imposed tariffs on every product and every country in the world.

    Even if that is true, Trump is still wrong in imposing tariffs.

    He is still no conservative, and tariffs will do much more damage than good.

    The GOP congress should fight this tooth and nail and if necessary pass legislation stopping this nonsense.

    I am not optimistic although Ryan’s statement is a good start.

  351. jason says:

    More senators speaking out.

    “Sen. Pat Roberts, who is the chair of the Senate agriculture committee, also blasted the decision for the tariffs and warned of retaliation.
    “They’ve already done this on washing machines and solar panels and the sorghum producer, one of the rare crops where we were making a profit, got targeted by China,” he said. “Every time you do this, you get a retaliation. And agriculture is the number one target. I think this is terribly counterproductive for the (agriculture) economy and I’m not very happy.”
    When asked why Trump made the decision Roberts and other senators made the case to him, Roberts responded: “Good question.”

  352. jason says:

    Republican Sen. Mike Lee of Utah said the tariffs would be a “huge job-killing tax hike.”

    I guess NYC is now going to call Lee a RINO in 3,2,1…

  353. jason says:

    “Should the administration opt to move forward with tariffs on steel and aluminum, American manufacturers, businesses and consumers would be forced to bear the brunt, paying more for steel and steel products,” said Senate Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), one of the primary authors of the tax overhaul that’s central to the GOP’s reelection effort. “Such action could very well undercut the benefits of the pro-growth tax reform we fought to get on the books.”

    “It’s a real simple frame for the [midterm] election: Republicans want to run on issues,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum and a former Congressional Budget Office director. “This threatens that because it … goes against our economic message.”

  354. Tina says:

    He sold his mother and one paper plane…..

  355. jason says:

    But let’s ignore everything these real conservatives and Republicans are saying and talk about how Reagan was an isolationist.

    I love this place.

    Let’s ignore this:

    “Matt Blunt, president of the American Automotive Policy Council, said the tariffs “would place the U.S. automotive industry, which supports more than 7 million American jobs, at a competitive disadvantage.”

  356. jason says:

    And this:

    “A cadre of senior officials, including National Economic Council Director Gary Cohn, Defense Secretary James Mattis and national security adviser H.R. McMaster, oppose the tariffs and for more than a year had succeeded in holding them off.”

  357. jason says:

    I really hope the GOP will revolt against this and expose it for what it is, a free ride for the fat cat union bosses.

    I already wrote Toomey and urged him to oppose this.

    I won’t bother with Casey, I am sure he is elated.

  358. Tina says:

    016
    John Solomon: We now know ALL 4 inititiators of the Trump-Russia Collusion investigation were paid by Hillary Clinton or were donors to the Clinton Foundation. The last we just found out is the Australian foreign minister who the FBI claims tipped them off, gave $25M to Clintons.
    7:18 PM – Mar 5, 2018

    Boom

  359. Tgca says:

    Jason needs to write Corey Booker and Menendez over in a Jersey too. I’m sure they’ll be open to hearing g from you. You can do this on my behalf in my absence.

  360. NYCmike says:

    Heh.

    I’ve written at least 5 times that I think Trump’s stance on tariffs is wrong…..and Mr. Vito stated “Nope. I never said they were good; not once. I asked for data instead of lazy rhetoric like… ”

    BUT, jason just keeps yapping!

    A-Holes are known to be very focused…….healthy ones, anyway!

  361. Mr.Vito says:

    “I will make it easy for those who want to pretend Reagan didn’t believe in free trade.”

    A set of measure zero.

  362. Mr.Vito says:

    More lazy rhetoric. Yay.

  363. MichiganGuy says:

    Generic Congressional Ballot:
    .
    Democrats 42%
    Republicans 37%
    .
    President Trump’s 4-point immigration reform plan:
    .
    Support 46%
    Oppose 46%
    .
    Do you support or oppose the tax reform plan that was passed by President Trump and Republicans in Congress?
    .
    Support 46%
    Oppose 43%
    .
    Trump Job Approval:
    .
    Approve 44%
    Disapprove 53%
    .
    AmericaFirstPol 2/16-20
    .
    https://www.americafirstpolicies.org/assets/uploads/pdf/Feb_2018_National_Poll_Interview_Schedule.pdf
    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    I would of presumed higher support for Trump and his policies coming from a group called AmericaFirstPol.

  364. MichiganGuy says:

    NT

  365. MichiganGuy says:

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  366. MichiganGuy says:

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  368. MichiganGuy says:

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  369. MichiganGuy says:

    :bear: